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<p>Pwendt: /* The Body Snatchers */ should we use a fiction Series containing two Titles/novels?</p>
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<div>{{welcome}} --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 15:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Tough Guide to Fantasyland ==<br />
Hello, I have left a reply to your note at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#DAW Tough Guide to Fantasyland]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 15:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Signature ==<br />
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Regarding your question "Do I need a main User page in order for the four tildes to generate a User talk page link?"<br />
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To add a link to your talk page to your <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> signature you edit the Nickname field on '''[[Special:Preferences]]'''. I suspect at present the nickname is set to:<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]<br />
to add a link to the talk page make it<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]<br />
Because this example is on your talk page the example is displaying as "|'''talk'''" rather than as a clickable link. On other pages it will be a link to this page.<br />
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Some users are adding superscripts or parentheses.<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]<sup>[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]</sup></nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]<sup>[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]</sup><br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Pwendt|talk]])</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Pwendt|talk]])<br />
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If you don't want a red link then just link to the talk page:<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User talk:Pwendt|]]</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User talk:Pwendt|Pwendt]]<br />
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Changes to the nickname won't fix pages that you had signed earlier using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 19:36, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Done using 'Pwendt|talk'. This is one test. [[User:Pwendt|&#91;&#91;User:Pwendt&#124;&#93;&#93;&#124;&#91;&#91;User talk:Pwendt&#124;talk&#93;&#93;]] 23:29, 9 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks. Following exchange with Mhhutchins at the Help Desk, done with the same nickname and "Raw signatures (without automatic link)". This is a another test. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 10 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::As this test show, the "talk" doesn't link when it's posted on the page to which it is linked. Took me a second to realize that! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:04, 10 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Author data ==<br />
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I accepted your submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?176002 this author]'s data, but had to make a few corrections. The Legal Name field should be entered in the format: Lastname, Firstname Middlename. Also I changed the Wikipedia link from the German version to the English version. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:14, 13 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. I see that another reviewer quietly rearranged a First Middle Last yesterday. <br />
: I missed your note then, probably because I supposed that my "new messages" notice at the database referred to your preceding note. Now I will learn whether a reply to the *latest* message alone will turn off that notice. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:58, 17 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: Yes, it does turn off the notice.<br />
:: P.S. Just now I submitted a change for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1455224 that author's book], the correct publ date for book 3 in a series we don't have. Not finding "Add New Series" in the left margin and finding I am too tired to look further now, so i am warned "Unknown Series". Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:04, 18 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Don't be afraid of the "unknown series" warning. It just means we don't have it in the database, or it could be in a different name. The slightest variation will generate the warning, which allows you the opportunity to search the db or to submit when you're certain that the series name you've provided is correct. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:58, 18 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::: Thanks --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:32, 24 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Since you're making an effort to add the Wikipedia link to these author's data summary, you could simultaneously update the birthdate and birth place data as well. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:04, 26 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::OK, I'll use "My Recent Edits" to revisit those people at Wikipedia-EN. <br />
::::::Do I add "language: English" by default because English is my language setting?<br />
::::::I noticed one evident duplicate and didn't quickly find how to merge people, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?77305 author 77305] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?170359 author 170359]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:54, 26 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Demigod Files'' ==<br />
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Instead of updating the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?534240 publication record] for the first edition, changing it to a third printing, you should have cloned the record and creating a new record based on your copy. I've created another record for the first printing. Now you'll need to change the publication date to "0000" (displayed as "unknown") if the third printing date isn't stated and update the Note saying the data is from Amazon. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. Just now I submitted a next stage with this Note to Moderator:<br />
: Augmentation in progress, primary transient verification to follow.<br />
: This contents listing omits 5 "interviews" with campers that span p64-76; a puzzle, etc, and answers that span p134-142. None worth the length of their titles but is there an alternative? The text of the first story does run p5-29 as the submitted contents listing now roughly implies but the other two stories run p33-63 and p85-133 which is not roughly implied here.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:57, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: And Antonio Caparo, The Demigod Files (character illustrations) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1933227 ISFDB Title Record # 1933227] --a title that I composed as the 8-page insert is not mentioned in the book table of contents-- update with this Note to Moderator<br />
:: The illustrations featured in this copy are 8 of the 26 now displayed by Disney at the bottom of its Percy Jackson and the Olympians series page [http://readriordan.com/series/percy-jackson-and-the-olympians/]. As these may be the most important 8 among those 26 characters, I suppose that all copies of the book contain the same selection. I don't know whether this Disney page is one that should be linked in the public note; I guess not because I suppose the crucial content is not stable.<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:21, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::You should probably add the information that you provided in the Note to Moderator field to the Note field. As I've said before, the Note to Moderator field disappears, and should only be ''about the submission'' and not about the publication. It is used to aid the moderator in their decision to accept the submission. Also, you don't have to duplicate the Note to Moderator when responding to a message here on your talk page. It's unnecessarily redundant (which I suppose is unnecessarily redundant itself! :)<br />
:::You have the option to link to pertinent websites in a special field of a title record, which you can do for the character illustrations if you wish. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:49, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Done: submitted extensions to the Publication notes from material in the Moderator notes quoted here. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:21, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Foundling'' ==<br />
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Submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547462 this record] was accepted, but I made the following changes:<br />
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* Disambiguated the titles of works which have generic titles<br />
* Changed the title of the map to the ISFDB standard<br />
* Changed the credit of the pronunciation guide from "unknown" to "uncredited". The former should be used only if the editor/publisher of the work acknowledges that the author of the work isn't known.<br />
* Fixed the Note field to add bullet points to every note (the last one was entered after the bulleted points.) <br />
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Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:09, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Can you advise me what is to be done when a generic title needs to be reused --further disambiguated again. Or not. If "About the Author" in a book of another title is identical, do we use a single title? and if so fashioned how? If another map of Prydain is not listed in the contents, provided with a heading, or internally titled, what to call it? Reuse "Prydain" (map) with a different date? What if one of those titles if available and with what priority? <br />
: For example, the map of Prydain (c) 1964 Evaline Ness, in the same style but different in content, which illustrates ''The Book of Three'' *is* internally titled "The Land of Prydain", internally meaning part of the artist's design. And for example, I know by examination that Henry Holt reused "About the Author" in multiple Prydain titles and editions, if not other Lloyd Alexander books too.<br />
: Perhaps there is an obvious place for me to read the instructions or the discussion concerning these issues. (I expect to return to Prydain rather fully only in December.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:28, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Any generic titles, like "Introduction", "Preface", "Afterword", "About the Author", etc. must be parenthetically disambiguated with the title of the publication in which they are contained. If the exact same work appears in other publications, then the records will have to be merged, if they have the same author credit and title, or varianted if they do not. Variants are based on a change in author credit, or a change in title, but not a change in text. <br />
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::Maps can be titled based on a caption, or a title within the map itself. If they are not titled, they should be given the title of the work they illustrate, just like all records typed as INTERIORART. They are given the title "Title of Work (map)" to distinguish them from other illustrations that may be contained in the same publication. If they appear in other publications, one title should be determined by a consensus of the primary editors, and the records can be merged, otherwise each will retain their title and then varianted to the record of its first publication. If there are specific cases for which you have questions, you can post it on the [[ISFDB:Help desk]]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:52, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: Thanks.<br />
::: By the way, reading [[Help:Screen:NewPub#General contents]] i see that I entered correct page numbers for The Foundling (which I primary verified) only by accident, because the table of contents gives the numbers of pages where contents begin rather than the numbers of chapter title pages. <br />
::: Almost certainly I followed a table of contents that does give page numbers of standalone chapter title pages when I entered The Demigod Files [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?534240]. The last sentence of my careful notes makes this clear, "Text of the first story does span p. 5-29 as this listing roughly implies ..." (listing gives page 3). No disaster. Instructions show that a verifier must also complete the Contents list, whose irritatingly trivial items I passed over (same Note).<br />
::: Thank you for your time and good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::I would suggest in the future that you never use a publication's contents page to enter titles into an ISFDB publication record. It may take a while longer to go through each page of a book or magazine, but it makes for a more accurate record of the publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Throne of Fire'' ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to add a new record of this title. It appears to be identical to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346772 this record]. Is there a reason for not updating the existing record instead of creating a new one? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:12, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Hi, Mhh ;-)<br />
: Only that this copy specifies first printing with no date other than 2011 copyrights while the existing record specifies May 2011 without printing number. I know that s/he/we/they editors would not have the printing number in Amazon data but I (mis?)understood that to be the point of your note above that I should (and you did put into effect) cloned rather revision of the first edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547336 ISFDB Publication Record # 547336].<br />
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::That's because the publication you were working with was clearly indicated as a third printing. We have to assume that records from secondary sources (like Amazon) give the publication date of the first printing. That's why you should not have overwritten that record. Once you did that I had no choice but to clone the original to create a record for the first printing which would have disappeared because of your submission changing it to a third printing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:35, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I see now that Kirkus did cover The Throne of Fire with a contemporary review and provide Publ date 2011-05-03 that matches both month and day of our "Data from Amazon and Worldcat as of 2012-08-31." in the record we have. Kirkus Reviews ''The Throne of Fire'' [https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/rick-riordan/throne-fire]. This is relevant broadly (had I looked for it yesterday, say) but from you I infer that it is not crucial. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: I can't say I never thought of doing such a thing, just overlooked. For The Serpent's Shadow last week I replaced citation of Amazon with "Kirkusreviews.com gives publ. date 2012-05-01 from contemporary review (-06-01 in print) as archived."<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:59, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Publication dates are provided by the publisher to both the retailer (Amazon) and the reviewer (Kirkus). So you can cite any reliable secondary source for data that isn't present in the publication itself. I don't know of any publisher who actually states the ''day of publication'' in the books themselves. Amazon provides the exact date for 99% of all books published since their inception in the mid-90s, and that date can be used in ISFDB records, ''as long as you cite the secondary source for data that's not present in the actual publication.'' [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:31, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'm still holding your submission. If you believe your copy is the same one represented by the current record, regardless of the publication date given in the record, please cancel it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:05, 19 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::: I am traveling with occasional short stints online, only a moment now. Do you mean cancel this and augment the other record with the new data? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:54, 19 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Title reference content record ==<br />
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When creating a publication record, don't add a content record for the title itself, but only for other contents. The system does that automatically. So when you add a NOVEL-typed record, a title reference record is created for the NOVEL. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?548363 this publication record] and you'll see that there are now two content records for the novel. Let me know when you've read this so that I can remove one of them from the record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:02, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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You made the same mistake with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?548364 this record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:03, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: I see, that is because I am not adding a title, which is already in the system (and linked to a series in this case, "Mary Poppins in the Park • [Mary Poppins • 4]"). Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:57, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: If you use the "Add publication to this title" function, as you did in both of these cases, you shouldn't add a content title for the title to which you're adding a publication. (Hope that makes sense.) In the future, when you're creating a new publication record, regardless of the type of publication or the function you use to create it, do not create a content title for the work itself. I'll clean up the record and remove (and delete) the duplicate titles. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:19, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: It makes sense. The matter now is to recall the point when looking at an empty contents list. Thanks for your help. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:36, 25 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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I have provided a partial answer at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#A Wizard of Earthsea]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 22:54, 27 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Mary Poppins in the Park'' ==<br />
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I've accepted your submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?83118 this record], but not before cloning it to create another record for what is presumably the first printing. If in the future you see that the publication is not a first printing, either stated or inferred from a number line, you should clone the existing record since it usually represents the first printing unless stated. I also zeroed the date field to show that the publication date of this second printing is not known. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:45, 8 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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About the page count field, adding brackets around a number indicates that there is a range of unnumbered pages on which significant content appears. So they should never be placed around roman numbers, since that indicates that the pages are roman numbered. What were your intentions in this case? And what appears on the "+[1]" page? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:48, 8 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Page "+[1]" --or 283, immed. following 282 where the novel ends with "Chelsea, London, etc" in nonfiction voice-- is about the author, untitled and uncredited, in the publisher's voice. Now after rereading instruction on what to leave out --viz. [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Contents included with exceptions]] (sec 2.3 bullet 2)-- that it qualifies as "otherwise insignificant". Rereading the same Help, sec 1.5 "Pages", it follows that 282 rather than "282+[1]" is correct.<br />
: None of the 20 pages preceding page 1 carries a roman numeral number. The map, pp [iv-v] in my notation, begins on the second sheet of ordinary stock, verso and ends on the third sheet, recto. The primary purpose of roman numerals in the update as submitted is to locate the map on the 4th/5th of 20 pages that precede page 1. I think also that I was pleased to count them, find 20; count the pages beyond page 282, find 2; and calculate 304 pages as stated by Amazon, presumably from the publisher's count of 152 sheets ordinary stock.<br />
: On page xvii in my notation there is an untitled note from the writer PLT explaining that Mary Poppins 4 is unlike books 1-3. It isn't a novel in some senses the first three are novels (chronological sequence of episodes, albeit loose; MP arrives in the first one, MP leaves in the last one; etc). I don't plan to suggest that it be recatalogued as COLLECTION, because i suppose it is so commonly considered a novel that it would merely be confusing to say otherwise. But I thought it note somewhere. Possibly I introduced roman numerals because I had in mind citing this later as page xvii of xx.<br />
: [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages]] (sec 1.5 sub-bullet 3) together with sec 2.6.2 "Page" imply that "[20]+282" is the correct format or syntax if it will be done, with "[4]" and "[17]" page references for the map and the author's note if they are entered as Contents. <br />
: I will now submit an update that covers incorporates all this as I understand it ... done. Feel free to reject or hold with comment here. I expect to be here for only several more minutes but again in 12 to 20 hours.<br />
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:;Author's Note, ''Mary Poppins in the Park'' <!-- note to self for now<br />
transcribe or describe this somewhere, maybe Wikipedia <br />
Have we no wiki pages for titles? Only for series and publications it appears to me now, visiting title Mary Poppins in the Park and its parent series and child publ. <br />
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:''Identical in the 1952 American edition and in this 1997/2006? edition/printing.''<br />
:"The adventures in this book should be understood to have happened during any of the three visits of Mary Poppins to the Banks family [books 1 to 3]. This is a word of warning to anybody who may be expecting they are in for a fourth visit. She cannot forever arrive and depart. And, apart from that, it should be remembered that three is a lucky number.<br />
:"Those who already know Mary Poppins will also be familiar with many of other characters who appear here. And those who don't--if they want to know them more intimately--can find them in the earlier volumes. // P. L. T.<br />
:--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:24, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach ==<br />
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I have replied to your message at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 07:17, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I added another reply to [[User talk:Marc Kupper#Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 08:21, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Author's Note (Mary Poppins Opens the Door)" ==<br />
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I changed the date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1942007 this record] from 1943 to 1944. We use the date a work is first published, not when it was written. It's highly probable that this appeared in the first publication of the novel. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:29, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I also found the date when [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1941942 this essay] was first published. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:48, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. In fact I thought to enter the original paper as a New Essay, based on data in the omnibus pp 1022-24, but I didn't see how to add new essay *and* it occurred to me that, if unpublished, it should not be in the database at all. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:40, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, it was published...but in a nongenre publication. That's why I recorded it in the Note field and changed the date of the record to the date of its first publication. We wouldn't use the date on which the paper was presented, since that doesn't represent an actual publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:30, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== 2nd printing of ''The Black Cauldron'' ==<br />
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When you cloned the record for the first printing to create [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551383 this record] for the second printing, you kept the original publication date. I have changed it to "0000". Be careful when cloning that you carefully examine the data in each field that is being retained. I personally do not use the "Clone This Pub" function if the publication isn't a container-typed record, i.e. a COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, or OMNIBUS. I use the "Add Publication to This Title" function for NOVEL-typed records. This avoids the strong possibility of copying the wrong data to a new publication record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:21, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Creating Bibliography and Biography wiki pages ==<br />
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When creating [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:Margot_Zemach this page], you removed the template which links it back to the author's summary page in the database. There's a warning at the time of creation that tells editors to not remove the header which looks like this:<br />
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Once you've acknowledged reading this message, I will restore the template so that the page is linked. Keep this in mind in the future when creating any bibliography or biography pages on wiki. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Yes I have read this and I have read the deletion log notice at [[Bio:Margot Zemach]] --which turned from blue to red as I was writing you about that very point. Blue preview, red save! --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:43, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I've restored the link by adding the template <nowiki>{{AuthorHeader}}</nowiki> to the top of the page. If you come across any other Bibliographic comments wiki page without a link back to the database, simply add that template in an edit to the page. By the same principle, you can add <nowiki><br />
{{BioHeader}}</nowiki> to a Biography page with a missing link. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:56, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Wolves of Willoughby Chase'' ==<br />
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I'm not sure if there should be two separate records for the interior art in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?552854 this publication]. From your notes it appears that the two artists are the same. Also, there's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50348 another record] for what is almost the same edition. The only difference is the price, and being from a secondary source, it's suspect. 01:21, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]]<br />
: The cover designs do not match (re Amazon we have discussed that some online sources mix-and-match cover images and editions/printings; I know that is true of WorldCat also). The cover design of my book matches the 3rd and 5th images in our [ [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/titlecovers.cgi?13699 current display of all covers], rather than the 2nd image or the 8th 13th and 15th images, all from the same cover art by Edward Gorey. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:11, 25 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I've pointed out earlier that the cover images attached to unverified records should not be the basis for creating separate records, especially if that's the only difference. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:24, 26 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it best to enter interiorart data based on what is explicit in the book. With time for some exploration now, I find confirmation at CopyrightEncyclopedia.com, a source new to me. [http://www.copyrightencyclopedia.com/the-wolves-of-willoughby-chase-by-joan-aiken-illustrated-by/ "''The Wolves'' ... by Pat Marriott, pseud. of Patricia Eleanor Howard"]. To me it seems clear that both names should be in the database with this note and I will submit the pseudonym--legalname relation now, no action on the two interiorart records. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:11, 25 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Now i submitted only Howard as legal name of Marriott. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:23, 25 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::But according to your record the book explicitly credits Pat Marriott on the title page as the illustrator. We don't use copyright data to determine credit unless there is no other credit in the publication. If all the illustrations are by the same person, there's no reason to create a separate content record for another name credited on the copyright page. If you've determined that her legal name was "Patricia Eleanor Howard", and unless there is not a record which explicitly credits Howard, then we don't need to create a pseudonym and variant. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:24, 26 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: I was able to ascertain the identity of Patricia Eleanor Howard and Pat Marriott --that is, to find the one source CopyrightEncyclopedia.com linked above-- only later and upon some investigation. I think you suggest, or urge, that Patricia Eleanor Howard appear in the Legal Name and Note fields of the database only; not Alternative Names until if/when we have some genre publication published under that name. So the INTERIORART title that I created should be deleted rather than "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work", which would make [P.E.H.] one of Pat Marriott Alternate Names. [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, the publication record should only contain a single content record for the work as it is credited in the publication. Any variants are created for titles but that should be no concern when you're working from a publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Supposing one INTERIORART content for this book (perhaps to be used eventually for all U.S. eds and some later U.K. eds illustrated by Marriott), I think it should carry the later date 1963. That is, maintain at least two Wolves of Willoughby Chase interiorart titles for Marriott rather than one (merge all) the 1962 date of the first ed. I say this by analogy to the expansion of a SHORTFICTION or fix-up of a COLLECTION (or a collection of SHORTFICTION never published as a COLLECTION) as a NOVEL. Do you agree? [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::It should carry the date of the publication unless it can be determined that the work appears in an earlier publication. Even if we have yet to create a record for the publication, you can change the date of any later reprints of the same work. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Somewhere, presumably under Help:, there is stricture concerning the merger of interiorart records for a single fiction title, to proceed iirc only if the full set of illustrations is used in both editions. I don't find it easily now and may recall incorrectly. [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::My opinion: This is basically a '''fiction''' database (the "F" in ISFDB), and any effort to record individual works of art is beyond the purposes of this database. If we know an artist illustrated a novel, and that a later printing of that novel contain illustrations from the same artist, it's not incumbent upon the editor to confirm that all of the illustrations are identical before merging the title records which represent '''the illustrating of the novel'''. Requiring that an ISFDB editor make such positive identification of each interior art record would be impossible. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: I wait for reply before any editing of ''The Wolves'' records. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hello, in the note field, you should use the HTML syntax (with tags) instead of the wiki one (with brackets). If not, it will lead to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?552975 such display]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:49, 26 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Notifying primary verifiers of changes to PV records ==<br />
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It is ISFDB policy to first discuss most changes to primary verified records with the verifying editors before making those changes. If you're adding notes to the record, you can usually do the notification simultaneously with the submission. Most editors have a notification preference at the top of their talk pages. I had to reject the submission to add contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11134 this PV record] for that reason. (Also, because the title and author of one of the content records was reversed, e.g. an essay titled "Bill Fawcett" authored by "Introduction...".) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:33, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I just noticed that had discussed it with the editor. (It was from about a week ago and I missed it.) I will try to reconstruct the changes to the notes, and enter the contents (correctly credited and titled). Again, sorry. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:36, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I see you made a subsequent submission to make the corrections. Rejecting the first submission before making a second submission to correct it would have been better, especially if I had accepted the submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:39, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Yearling ed. of ''Peter Graves'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?554604 this publication]: the format of the catalog number as it appears on the spine, "440-6889-075", is an early method some publishers used for paperbacks. The first three digits are the SBN-assigned publisher number which later became part of the ISBN. The second set of numbers is the publisher's catalog number. And the last set of numbers is the price designation. The catalog number, in this case "6889", would usually appear on the front cover as well. If there is no other number on the book, you can enter this number into the ISBN/Catalog # field of the ISFDB record, preceded by the "#" symbol. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:43, 6 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: (as I said) Back cover "010-014" may be catalog number but ...<br />
: Probably that means recommended ages 10 to 14. I'll get back to it but not today. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover: The Sea of Monsters ==<br />
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Hello, I've rejected your submission to change the date to 2014 for a 2006 publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1130253 here]. Can you be more precise regarding what you're intending to achieve? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 19:16, 9 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: My Recent Edits shows that you accepted at 14:14:41 so I surmise that you returned to undo that by hand (and database 14:14:41 is wiki 19:41, or one or the other displays the hour as relatively). Now I see too that the same change of date was accepted 2015-12-17 22:47:28 along with the prose Note (mine).<br />
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: I was trying correctly to date the cover art by John Rocco whose image we link there, per explanation in the Note. Of course, it was not used on the cover of the listed 2006 publication, which was perhaps the first edition of the novel --not verified, so correction of the cover image is for its someday primary verifier to correct, right?<br />
: What happens if the cover record is unlinked from the only publication that currently links it?<br />
: FYI the displayed cover is used in the 2014 boxed set where we display an image of the box with three books inside it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?445539 Publ 445539].<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:02, 9 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::As I understand what you wrote, the cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82094 for this publication] is not the correct one (it's a later -2014- cover art). If you're sure of this and depending on the data you have, don't hesitate to (either) 1) change the cover of the 2006 publication by uploading the correct one (use the "Upload new cover scan" and enter the URL), 2) link the 2006 publication to another correct amazon cover (just change the URL), 3) completely remove the cover record (via "Remove Titles From This Pub") leaving the 2006 publication as a coverless record (which is perfectly authorized as it's not PVed). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 09:11, 10 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: As an aside, I wonder whether moderators (not I) are able to check whether the field Image URL has been revised since a publication record was primary verified? (I know that the manual urges editors to be cautious about revising primary verified records, and to give notice at the user pages of the primary verifiers before/when they submit such revisions, and that some moderators check for such notices before they approve such submissions.) <br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::When the amazon (or ISFDB) URL is changed, the submission passes in the moderator's queue and is approved (we saw both the old and new images) so there's a limited check (personally, I tend to trust what's submitted and don't always check the covers' precise dates). The only case when there's no check is when a new image is uploaded via the "upload cover scan" which is a non-moderator-approved process. But, as we're limited in disk space, the moderators "hunt" for images with multiple versions, allowing for some degree of control. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:21, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: ''export notes to self [mistakenly posted here last hour 18:36, from both top and bottom of this section to [[User talk:Pwendt#Rick Riordan]]'' --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:38, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Harcourt Young Classics ed. of ''Mary Poppins'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?555136 this record]: I changed the publication date from "1934" to "0000" (displayed as "unknown"). Nothing in your notes indicate this printing was published in 1934, and with an ISBN, it's impossible. Also, can you confirm how the publisher is stated on the title page? Harcourt Young Classics appears to be an imprint of Harcourt. According to the Amazon "Look Inside", the publisher is "Harcourt, Inc." which we enter as simply "Harcourt". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:45, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Title page displays "Harcourt, Inc."; copyright page gives street address including "Harcourt, Inc."<br />
: I presume that all of Harcourt Young Classics, Odyssey Classics, HMH Children's Books, HMH Books for Young Readers --from this book and other recent eds of Mary Poppins here and at Amazon-- are imprints of Harcourt or prev. Harcourt & World, Harcourt Brace, HBJ; subseq. Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, etc. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:56, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::It is ISFDB standard (whether its documented or not) to use the title page publisher credit when possible. So the record should be changed to give "Harcourt" as the publisher. Imprints are entered if they are present on the title page. For example, all current books from William Morrow have the title page credit "William Morrow" (over) "An imprint of HarperCollinsPublishers" which we enter as "William Morrow / HarperCollins". If a publisher becomes an imprint (like William Morrow), we can easily track the publisher history by separating the books as published. If a book is reprinted under a subsequent incarnation of a publisher, then the ISFDB record must give the publisher as credited in the printing of the book which it records, whether it is Harcourt & World, Harcourt Brace, HBJ, etc. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Do you refer to your aspiration to get away from entering imprints in the Publisher field, as we routinely do? (Skim 'Ha' or 'Ho' in the publisher directory.) Or growing consensus? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:56, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::The publisher field is the only place we have to record imprints. If by "you" you're referring to the collective editors, I can't say. I, personally, have no aspirations to change the current way imprints are entered. There may have been some talk in the past to create a separate field but there's been no discussion about it lately. You can raise the subject on the Community Portal page to see if there's a chance of a change in the foreseeable future. If we do create a separate field for the imprint, then it should be easy to do system-generated edits to the records without manually editing thousands of records...but only if the editors who created and/or updated them have used the current method of separating imprint from publisher in the publisher field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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If I understand you correctly "Harcourt Young Classics" in the publisher field only as "Harcourt Young Classics / Harcourt". (The former now appears in the publisher directory(*) and the latter does not. I looked this up before submitting Harcourt Young Classics as the publisher.<br />
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On the general point, I meant in other words whether this is a plan to curate the publisher directory, presumably to eliminate entries such as "Dell Yearling" (imprint) and "Dell Yearling Newbery" (imprint and publication series) in favor of entries that identify the publisher properly -- with a slash followed by Doubleday, Dell or Bantam, Doubleday, Dell or whatever. (At the moment there is no slash entry in the directory alphabetized with "Dell Yearling".)<br />
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For publishers --that is, valid Publisher field entries-- familiar to me from the publisher directory, more often the "Publisher" column of the tables that ISFDB displays in Title records for named contents, often general knowledge or the front cover (as "A Dell Yearling Book" across the top) i usually enter that. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:47, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:The publisher directory isn't curated. It's generated by the system and includes every unique publisher in the database. If I incorrectly entered the publisher as "Del Ray", it would create a new listing under that name. There are probably thousands of records in the database which should be cleaned up to present a clearer record of how the publisher is stated. Unfortunately, there's not that many editors here who can make the time and effort to undertake such a gargantuan task. That's why we at least try to get the primary verified records to match the stated publisher, and because publisher credits vary from spine to front/back cover, title page, and copyright page, we ask that editors use the credit from the title page, as 99% of all books give the publisher there. As for records sourced from secondary sources, when I stumble upon them, I usually try to change them to the publisher as given in the OCLC record. The librarians who edit that database are asked to use the title page publisher credit, so at least we have their data to fall back on. Using the front cover credit is usually not a good idea, because too often it's a publication series and not the imprint or publisher. BTW, there is only one record now in the database for "Harper Young Classics" (the one you entered), because the only other record which had that credit was a non-verified record, and checking on OCLC, I determined it should have been entered as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?53112 Odyssey / Harcourt Young Classic / Harcourt]. So I corrected it. That leaves yours. And as I suggested above, you should use the title page credit of "Harcourt". If your copy has any indication anywhere else of the imprint of "Odyssey / Harcourt Young Classic" you can add that to the publisher field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:44, 13 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== LCCN and title or publication-specific data ==<br />
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The Library of Congress Control Number should be provided (and linked if possible) in the Note field of the publication record to which the number has been assigned. It should not be entered into the Note field of the title record, since titles are frequently republished with a different LCCN. A good rule of thumb about which data to note in which record (the title or the publication): if it applies to a specific publication, it should go in the publication record; if it applies to '''the work''' and not a specific publication, it should be noted in the title record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Harcourt, Brace & Company ==<br />
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In the 1950s, the publisher was known as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?41100 Harcourt, Brace & Company]. In the 1960s, after it merged with World Publishing, it became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1909 Harcourt, Brace & World]. In the 1970s through 1993, it added the chairman's name and became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?267 Harcourt Brace Jovanovich]. Then it was purchased by another corporation and became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?263 Harcourt Brace]. In 2007, it was purchased by Houghton Mifflin with the new company named [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28152 Houghton Mifflin Harcourt]. I've updated or reverted those Edgar Eager records which don't reflect this chronology. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:51, 16 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Three days ago there was greater variation in database use of "Harcourt, Brace and Company" and "Harcourt Brace". Did you revise other records to fit the ideal timeline? Did you overlook the one verified by Nihonjoe {{p|518183}}?<br />
: Given a policy, or consensus, to use in the database a particular name version for a particular book-issuing entity during a particular timespan, there remains a danger in such rationalizing policy. It depends on validity of the Year field as a book-issuing date --that is, a publication date in the sense of database "publication" records, a printing date. (The Year field isn't isn't rich enough to do what we should aspire to do re information about timing.)<br />
: I agree concerning "Harcourt, Brace" in regard to the Tales of Magic that LC and ISFDB merely use different canonical names with and without "and Company"; no doubt there are other cases where they differ about "& Company", "and Co.", and so on. Regarding "Harcourt, Brace & World", it's much more likely that different uses of the year fields are the crux of the matter. LC Catalog uses two year fields mainly, perhaps others in freeform notes. "Harcourt, Brace & World" with a year prior to 1961 is evidence that the year is a copyright date or edition date rather than a printing date. Same as ISBN with the same year would be. If we take the year for granted as a printing date and standardize the publisher (value of Publisher field) on that basis, such evidence is lost.<br />
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: What is your interpretation of the one 1998 and one 1999 publications by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?231 "Harcourt"] and the two 2000 publications by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?263 "Harcourt Brace"]? Those records are internally anachronistic --the 1998 and 2000 on basis of year alone; the 1999 because it is 1999-01[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?231+1999] where 1999-12 would be plausible. (Part of half of the answer is that the 1998 and 1999 are "date unknown" printings, probably 2000 or later if no catalog errors otherwise.)<br />
: (I'll get back to the Magic series.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:32, 19 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mary Poppins and the House Next Door ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89072 this record] which you converted from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK: one thing to keep in mind when doing such conversions: If you change the NOVEL title reference record during the pub record edit to SHORTFICTION, you have to add a new title reference record for the CHAPBOOK. It can be done in the Contents section of the entry form during the same submission. Otherwise the book's title won't appear on the author's summary page. (The story title will.) I'll add the title record for you. Also, I doubt that the book isn't paginated, even if the OCLC's page count number is bracketed. That could also mean that there were 96 pages but the last page wasn't numbered. That happens a lot in books. We'll leave it as is until another secondary source either confirms or denies the page count. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:40, 25 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: The US edition is paginated. I thought that I would convert NOVEL to CHAPBOOK following the manual [[Help:How to convert a novel to a chapbook#Converting a NOVEL publication to a CHAPBOOK]] where instructions begin with conversion of a publication record, so I started there with first edition --EditPub, not AddPub for copy in hand-- and resorted to online catalogue data for more info. I planned to continue with one instruction or another after seeing the result of EditPub. Unfortunately [a] the instructions are not scrutable (bullet point 3: "If the novel has only one publication on record, this can be done from the same Publication Editor dialog where the other changes are made"; not sure whether I did that back at point 1, hoped to see by viewing the relevant records after approval); [b] this was several hours ago at local public library, so AddPub US ed. must await another visit. <br />
: I wonder whether you converted one of the two illustration prize-winning picture books from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK yesterday, T{{t|170637}} and T{{t|1766654}}. I believe I saw one picture book as NOVEL yesterday, one reason I visited conversion instructions today, ''probably'' one of these two. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
: oops, fix links to Title records "T" and append five words --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Reviewing the three records and the manual, the latter [[Help:How to convert a novel to a chapbook#Converting a NOVEL publication to a CHAPBOOK]] remains inscrutable to me. How does one add a Title record? to a Publication record? Perhaps the second bullet point should be deleted and the third rewritten. ... --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::As I said in my original post, go to the contents section (marked "Regular Titles") and click the "Add Title" link. A set of fields will open. Leave the page number and date fields blank, enter the title, change the type to CHAPBOOK, and enter the author. I'll read the instructions and see if it needs clarification. Some of these help pages were written before the software about CHAPBOOK was fully developed, and may need to be updated. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Is there a simple change to be entered manually after which a script will complete the conversion per [[Bibliographic Projects in Progress]]? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::I know nothing about that. It seems to be far out-of-date. I'm thinking that project was all about manual conversion with the hope that it could later be accomplished with a script. I don't believe that ever happened. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mary Poppins omnibus ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557135 this record], but it would have been better to clone the other record of this title. Now you'll have to import the contents, and then merge the duplicate interior art record. Keep that in mind when adding records typed as COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, CHAPBOOK, and OMNIBUS. Saves both of us when you use the clone function. (I don't advise doing it for NOVEL records.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:16, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Same situation with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557137 this record]. You'll have to import the SHORTFICTION title record, and then merge the INTERIORART record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:18, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Both done. With more data, eg the obvious cover artist confirmed by images on bookseller pages.<br />
: Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:03, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Instead of importing the contents as I suggested, you created new title records. Those will now have to be merged with the existing ones. (Go to Travers summary page and you'll see the duplicate titles.) Ask if you need help on merging title records. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:10, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Ah, you mean Import Content. I overlooked the Export, Import, and Remove screens/tools. <br />
::: I am familiar with merger of Title records that do show up as duplicates for some author. Last month I cut the number of Mary Shepard Mary Poppins INTERIORART titles from 25 to 10. Now I know how other editors created all of those as we are back to 25 again. <br />
::: ... Import done, for import of novels INTERIORART to omnibus (2). I'll get back to the rest later. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:39, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: FYI: You can also import individual titles (instead of all titles within another pub). If you have many though it can be tedious to find all the title record numbers and paste a long list into the tiny form box accepting such. It is painful but it avoids having to merge titles later. This is one area where methinks there is room for code improvement (one should be able to select one or more pubs to import from and just check which titles from such one wishes to import). I am not sure if there is an existing feature request (FR) for such yet or not. [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] 04:19, 28 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Editing a publication record before a previous submission has been moderated ==<br />
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If you make a submission to edit a publication record, you should wait until it has been moderated before making another submission editing the same record. Quite often this can cause a conflict which will negate the edits of the first submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:39, 27 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== <nowiki><br>• </nowiki> ==<br />
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The use of <nowiki><br>• </nowiki> is not a standard method of separating notes in an ISFDB record's Note field. (Although you will find that one particular editor insists on using it, even though it's been brought to his attention.) If you want to bullet each note, please use HTML as explained [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_HTML_in_Note_Fields here]. If that's too complicated, just use the keyboard return to create a new line for each note (they won't be bulleted). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:22, 28 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dell and Yearling ==<br />
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When it was founded, Yearling was a YA imprint of Dell paperbacks. Publications from that period are entered into the database as "Dell Yearling". Later (I don't know exactly when, but it could be researched), Yearling was removed from the Dell paperback division of Random House and became a separate imprint. The title pages then gave the publisher as "A Yearling Book". Those publications are entered into the database as "Yearling". If you find books which give the publisher as Dell, then enter them as "Dell Yearling". If Dell isn't mentioned, enter them only as "Yearling". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:43, 3 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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As of 2016-04-06 the earliest database Year for publisher "Yearling" is 1984.<br />
Indeed we have the following (Dell) Yearling publisher names, with yearspans (beside "date unknown"): Yearling 1984-pres [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?183]<br />
Yearling (UK) 1990-94 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?43577], <br />
Yearling / Yearling Newbery 1996 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?41025], <br />
Yearling Newbery [undated 35th printing of April 1990 Dell] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?10251], <br />
Dell Yearling 1968-2007 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?183]<br />
Dell Yearling Newbery 1996-99 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?379].<br />
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Anomalies from about 3 February in my primary verifications, perhaps to revisit<br />
:1. ''Mary Poppins'', 1991 tp edition, all four novels T{{t|181986}} T{{t|181997}} (both as Yearling) T{{t|29571}} T{{t|181995}} (both as Dell Yearling)<br />
: All four first printing publication records give my Note: <br />
:: (quote) copyright page "Published by Dell Publishing a division of Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing Group, Inc."; Yearling and Dell are two registered trademarks<br />
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:2. ''The Wolves of Willoughby Chase'' T{{t|13699}}, 1987 and perhaps other editions or dated printings (may be a single edition released 1968) [book 2 pv another edition; book 3 not verified]<br />
: (in progress) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:28, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Reliable secondary sources ==<br />
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When creating records from secondary sources, it's important to find the most reliable ones available. In the case of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558116 this record], I would have first looked at [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/12635490 OCLC]. Abebooks data is not very reliable since it's from someone who wants to sell you something, and info from auction sites can disappear overnight without warning. I personally consider OCLC to be the most dependable of all secondary source on the internet for English language publications. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:50, 3 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558117 this record], you could have gotten the page count from the [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/64447512 OCLC record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:53, 3 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: The LC Catalog is a source of extraordinary quality. WorldCat is not, and it's a shame that ISFDB relies on it so heavily.<br />
: Meanwhile the ABEbooks page that I mentioned, as it does provide a cover image, is far more likely to provide an image of the correct book than is worldcat.org. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 04:26, 6 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::No one is saying that the Library of Congress data is unreliable. Nothing I said even implied that. They never entered the discussion, and are not sourced in your record at all. I'm saying Abebooks is unreliable. Why knock WorldCat when in this case it was the most reliable source at hand? Please only use Abebooks as a last resort. And you should never use auction sites as a source. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:18, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Magic Finger'' ==<br />
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There are several problems with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558748 this record], the major one being that it doesn't contain a SHORTFICTION content. Now you'll have to import it. (You also could have cloned another edition which would automatically import the content, like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262017 this one].)<br />
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Another thing: synopses shouldn't be given in a publication note field. That is title specific data, not publication specific.<br />
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Also, you didn't use the correct format for entering the OCLC record number (omitting the colon.) There's also a leading space in the target name that should be removed. You also linked to the browser address and not the Permalink.<br />
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And you used Abebooks.com to source the date, and non-data about the possible format. This is probably the last place to source data. They're trying to sell books, and probably not worrying about recording accurate data for bibliographers.<br />
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Also, based on the OCLC record showing the book to be 20 cm., the pub format/binding is "tp". (All Puffin books from this period were softcover.)<br />
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Please make the corrections when you have time. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:15, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Done. Vaguely I recall that the manual somewhere includes generalizations about page size and binding format. Now I append "20cm (implies tp format)" to citations of OCLC records that support tp format by this inference. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::That's only true for softcover publications, something that OCLC rarely notes. You need a another secondary source to confirm the binding. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:57, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: If "(All Puffin books from this period were softcover.)" it will be useful to note that period at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?179 Publisher: Puffin]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Anyone looking at Puffin's books from the early 70s will see that they're all paperback. It would take further research to determine when they started publishing hardcovers. If that could be confirmed, then a definitive statement could be made. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:57, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to OCLC ==<br />
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Please use the standard format "OCLC: 123456". Also, click on the Permalink for the URL, provided in the upper right corner of the OCLC record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''El Dedo Magico'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71313 This record] had the English language titles. I will remove them and add Spanish language titles, and then variant them to the original titles. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I believe that is a mistake at least for the illustrations. Some time ago I fixed ''Mary Poppins wraca'' P{{p|547654}} to credit the original English-language illustration by Mary Shepard --despite the fact that in that work ''Mary Poppins Comes Back'' many of the illustrations have captions, commonly quotations of description or dialogue from the novel, presumably translated into Polish in their use as captions as well as in the novel.<br />
: See [[User talk:JudgeDeadd#Mary Poppins illustrations]]. As I recall, there were Shepard illustrations of two other Mary Poppins titles in Polish translation, and Barnes illustrations of all seven Narnia novels in Polish translation, all entered as English-language illustrations of the Polish editions of those works. All entered by the same user, as I understood the record; thus I conformed our treatment of ''Mary Poppins wraca'' illustrations to the other 9? books.<br />
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I also removed the price in US dollars which was there before you edited the record. An obvious error. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:34, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Per the linked WorldCat record, the publisher is based in Madrid, so the US dollar price is probably a mistake. Not an obvious error, as many Spanish-language editions are priced in US dollars. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:19, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Here is our record P{{p|547918}} for Polish-language omnibus edition of Narnia 1-3 as verified (and presumably entered) by [[User:JudgeDeadd]], who does not say whether it includes English or Polish captions or none. <br />
:: (By the way I doubt the COVERART credit to Maria Izryk for "original work (presumably by Maria Irzyk), although clearly traced from Baynes's covers for the 1959 edition of ''The Lion...'' and the 1962 edition of ''Prince Caspian''). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Even though art doesn't have a "language", and even if the exact same illustration is used in different translations of the work, each work of art should be titled for the work they illustrate. Any interior art records which don't match the titles of the work they illustrate should be corrected when found. (They must have sneaked through, undetected by the moderator.) This would mean the content record would have to be removed from the publication record, and a new content would have to be created. Then, the translated title record should be varianted to the original title record. See how I varianted the <small>[Pat Marriott --Pwendt]</small> interior art record for ''El Dedo Magico''. Thanks. <br />
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:::: OK. I credited also 1995 Spanish-language Tony Ross INTERIORART for El Dedo Magico, now submitted as variant of his 1989 illustrations T{{t|925716}}. <br />
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== Viking ed. of ''The Magic Finger'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558764 this record]: I added the colon after "LCCN", and removed the HTML line breaks. Several years ago they were necessary, and you'll find thousands of records still have them. After a software change a few years ago, they are no longer necessary; a simple keyboard return will display a new line. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:25, 12 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I did the same thing as above for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558765 this record], and corrected the OCLC link to the Permalink. Please get into a habit of using the Permalink instead of the URL in your browser's address window. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:27, 12 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Price field ==<br />
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When entering a price in US dollars, be sure to add the cents. I changed the price of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558870 this publication] from "$2" to "$2.00". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:06, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''My Father's Dragon'' ==<br />
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What is your source for the interior art credit for the 1948 Random House edition? I particularly wonder why the illustrations are differently credited from the story, if they're by the same person. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:21, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Again, you didn't enter the price field correctly in the submission I'm holding for this edition. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:22, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Further research has shown that the books were illustrated by Ruth Chrisman Gannett, her stepmother. So a pseudonym and variant should not be created. I'll accept the submission and correct the price field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:24, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I understand now what the note meant. You were referring to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?178751 this artist], not the author of the story. I'll make the pseudonym/variant. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:27, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes, Ruth Adelaide Chrisman later Gannett seems to have illustrated mainly as Ruth Gannett --eg, ''Tortilla Flat'' by John Steinbeck ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortilla_Flat at Wikipedia])-- but also seems to be Ruth Chrisman Gannett as of first collaboration with her step-daughter, per the [http://www.gutenberg.org/files/30017/30017-h/30017-h.htm Project Gutenberg HTML edition/release of the first edition] and i doubt that many others of her (mainly earlier) works belong in this database.<br />
: I did not link the Project Gutenberg, nor add its cover image [http://www.gutenberg.org/files/30017/30017-h/images/cover.jpg] of course, because I don't recall seeing other examples of that here and I don't know that ISFDB makes use of the Gutenberg release (lead sentence of HTML ed.: "This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no cost and with almost no restrictions whatsoever." ) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:51, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Click on the image link gave here and you can see why we need permission to deep link to images hosted by other servers. You can link the book's title record to the Project Gutenberg page, entering its URL in the title's webpage field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:03, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Three Tales...'' ==<br />
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I changed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558879 this publication] from OMNIBUS to COLLECTION, since it doesn't include a previously published NOVEL, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, NONFICTION, etc. A publication of SHORTFICTION-typed works is considered a COLLECTION.<br />
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I also went ahead and imported the contents, and disambiguated the generically titled author's note. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:25, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Does a collection of a works in a shortfiction series not carry numerals as "C/1-3"? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:32, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::No. The software only displays the story length field when the record is typed as OMNIBUS. That's because it's uncommon for collections to contain only series of short fiction works. Also, most short fiction in a series isn't numbered. You can post a message on the Community Portal for a feature request for cases like this publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:41, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Illustrator for ''Wonders, Inc'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?213429 this publication]: Both of your sources give the artist name as "John Larrecq". Note the way each source provides the stated credit, and not the canonical credit. You shouldn't use the related names field of the LCCN record, or the author field of the OCLC record. OCLC gives the stated credit in the responsibility field. I've corrected it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:45, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I also changed it from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK with a SHORTFICTION content record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:48, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: (edit conflict) Thanks.<br />
: How frequently is there a "Responsibility" field at WorldCat, where there are some John M. L. records like [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/429560318 OCLC 429560318]. <br />
: He is John M. Larrecq canonically at LCCN (and others [https://viaf.org/viaf/65249917]) but I don't know that other works (incl several picture books from Parnassus Press) will ever be in the database (chiefly stories about anthropomorphic animals, i scanned this hour). So I have simply linked LCCN John M. Larrecq for now.<br />
: I merely stumbled upon him in course of correcting one Publisher:Parnasus => Parnassus Press; the former should now drop out of the Publisher directory. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:03, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I have no way of knowing exactly how frequently there's a responsibility field in an OCLC record. I can only estimate that 95% or more of the records created in the past 50 years do have it. That field wasn't always part of the database, and records from the early decades of the 20th century probably didn't have them. Some have been updated from primary data. Others may not. As for whether Larrecq's canonical name includes the middle initial, we can't establish that at the ISFDB until there's a publication which actually credits it that way. OCLC quite frequently gives the middle initial or full names in the author field of their records to distinguish similarly named authors. That's why the author field of OCLC records shouldn't be the only source used to record author credit in ISFDB records. Looking at [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/906040559 this record] for example, it appears that Larrecq did not use the middle initial in his published works. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:14, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: On the other hand [https://lccn.loc.gov/66009502] but as I said above, I don't know that other works by Larrecq belong in the database. [[Author:John Larrecq]].<br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:41, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::So I repeat, we won't be able to determine the canonical name until or if there are other works by him in the database. We would still have to follow the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition Rules of Acquisition] in determining that. <br />
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::::I think I may have misled you a bit about the term "canonical" when I was referring to the way LoC and WorldCat assign authorship. Their purpose is to distinguish human beings, not to distinguish publication credits, which is the goal of the ISFDB when we use the term. So I'm unsure whether the use of "canonical" in the bibliographic wiki page could confuse some users, especially those who know the ISFDB's use of "canonical". Also, if you look at some of the OCLC records for those showing "John M. Larrecg" as the author, you'll see that many of them credit "John Larrecq" as the responsible party. And that's what's important as far as the ISFDB is concerned. So perhaps the bibliographic notes need to be clarified about the name. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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P.S. I don't know how to convert NOVEL to CHAPBOOK/SHORTFICTION deftly. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:41, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:It's in the help documentation, but it's getting late. I'll try to remember tomorrow to give you a step-by-step guide to conversion. (In this case, conversion wouldn't have been necessary if the publication had been entered correctly from the start. Knowing a book has only 39 pages is a rather unmistakable clue that the book isn't a novel.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to primary verified records ==<br />
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I accepted the submission changing the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254379 this record] before realizing it was primary verified. It is imperative that you '''first''' discuss such changes with the PV editor before making a submission which changes any field other than the Note field. <br />
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Another concern: you changed the publication date to "1975-02-00" when your note said it was published on "1975-02-18". Why not go all the way? If the publication doesn't have a publication date stated in the book itself, an editor can use a reliable secondary source for that date. So you leave a note on the talk page of the PV editor: "Is there a day of publication stated in this publication? If not, I've found a reliable source, [Kirkus Reviews, Amazon, publisher's website, etc.], that gives the publication date as [fill in the blank]." Allow the PV editor to make the decision about changing the record. If there is a stated publication date, such as "First Edition: February 1975", then the PV editor should give "1975-02" in the publication date field, but note the exact date as given by the reliable secondary source. If there is no stated publication date in the book, then the PV editor has the option to use the reliable secondary source to give the exact day of publication in the record's date field. But this should be done by the PV editor, unless they have a notification preference at the top of their talk page saying "Anyone can edit my verified records." or something similar. If the PV editor is inactive, there should be a notice at the top of their talk page that directs any questions to the Moderator Noticeboard. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:55, 18 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: I summarized for the verifier at [[User talk:Don Erikson#Z for Zachariah]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:26, 18 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258217 this case], it's OK to give the full date of publication in the date field, because the record has yet to be primary verified. I'd also question your statement that all data is confirmed by the LCCN record, which doesn't give the publication date you've added to the record. That statement would have to be tweaked. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:33, 18 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Hitty, Her First Hundred Years'' ==<br />
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I could find nothing showing that this is a work of speculative fiction. If the doll is simply the narrator, and with no interaction with the real world, as most reviews I've read of it seem to indicate, then it can't be considered fantasy. Or am I misinterpreting the synopses that I've found on the Internet? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:49, 21 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2956209]<br />
: Yes, but i'll begin by reading further myself, not today. I know only the first four pages, up to the line I quoted --just before local public library closure this afternoon-- and the Google Books ed. breaks after page 4. Wikipedia says "magical ash-wood" but that isn't in the opening text, only reference to the traditional powers of ash.<br />
: I think you mean interaction with the world beyond that of quill pen on paper and turning the pages. I had wondered just what I would say beyond "Borderline spec-fic" if I did say that in synopsis as some others do. <br />
: How long is matter "held" in queue? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:52, 22 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::As long as necessary to resolve the issue. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:08, 22 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Have you been able to determine this work's eligibility? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 08:07, 4 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I can describe the wooden doll's actions: [a] take up quill pen to begin memoirs; use up paper (by implication use pen, ink, blotting paper); [b] raise and lower both legs together when left under a pew in church, "Clump! clump! clump!"; [c] work up and out of a crow's nest and get both legs over the edge, then to be knocked out by the baby birds. She does not communicate with the crows, wild monkeys, pet cobra, pet cat --nor with modern dolls if i recall correctly. The simplicity of her construction is clear; her inability to bend except at the one hip and one shoulder joint is recurrently crucial to the plot. That she can handle a pen or "work her way" without benefit of other joints is not explained.<br />
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So it is spec-fic strictly but I can't say whether it is clearly eligible nor whether it should be in the database. I have not read any discussions of scope. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:06, 4 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:It wouldn't be spec-fic unless she actually interacts with or becomes an active participant in the story she's telling. There are many stories told from the point of view of animals or inanimate objects, with the sole purpose of being a silent observer. Unless the story itself or the actions being narrated has fantastic elements (without regard to how the story is being told), I personally don't believe it would qualify as eligible. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Definitions Here] are the definitions, the rules of acquisition, and the scope of the ISFDB. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Unless you have some definitive evidence that the work qualifies under the rules of acquisition, I will have to reject the submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:29, 15 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Substantially I can only repeat myself. ''Hitty'' is spec-fic strictly, for the wooden doll interacts with her environment as I described above [a][b][c]. --beyond thinking and four of five human senses, all but taste.<br />
::: For what it's worth, I consider that a flaw in the work. It doesn't add anything to the story, in my opinion, to make the doll more than the externally passive observer you say is common. In the same way, I consider it a flaw that ''Alice'' is not spec-fic, strictly, because the brief final chapter portrays Wonderland as a dreamland only. It doesn't add anything to the story, in my opinion, to undercut the fantasy.<br />
::: You moderators need to make judgments about scope at the borders. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:56, 17 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Day the World Ended'' ==<br />
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Please specify the source of the month of publication in the Note field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399313 this record]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 05:37, 23 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Done a couple hours ago along, with AddPub three other 1930 dollar novels from Doubleday Doran. See also and better, [[User talk:Mhhutchins#Doubleday]], numbered point 2 <u>dollar novels</u>. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:11, 25 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Book of Trolls'' ==<br />
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What is your source for editing the author credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?475528 this record]? Both LCCN and OCLC give the current author credit. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:20, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: That's right. As stated in the Note to Moderator: "undo [my own] today's introduction of variant name in preparation for global change to Edgar Parin d'Aulaire --now in database for the one work only" with more detail<br />
: The Author name cannot be corrected because 'Edgar Parin d'Aulaire' is already in the database here. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:34, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll accept it now that you've explained the note, but the correction could have been done with one submission since all of the titles appear in the same publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:41, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: But I didn't know several hours ago, when I added all the other data for both the man [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2959820] and the Publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2959783], that I should have submitted a global personal name change first, before the correct name appeared in the database.<br />
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::: 1. You say "all of the titles appear in the same publication" which suggests that such a change could have been effected at once for all records of this work (CHAPBOOK, SHORTFICTION, INTERIORART, COVERART titles), if a global change in the personal name were not desired. How is that?<br />
::: 2. Probably this work was first published as ''D'Aulaire's Trolls''? (altho Uniform title is Trolls, which may indicate earlier issue in some European language). Anyway, let's consider the first US edition, [https://lccn.loc.gov/76158897 LCCN 76-158897], OCLC [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/86079902 86079902] and [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/410432 410432]. What would be the best way to get all of the CHAPBOOK, SHORTFICTION, INTERIORART, COVERART titles into the database as ''D'Aulaire's Trolls''? --where is best to start? --and finally must all be entered anew and then all four ''D'Aulaire's Book of Trolls'' titles separately be made variants? <br />
::: Good night, now overdue for me :-( [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:18, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::1. As I said, your "Note to Moderator" wasn't clear enough that I understand what your intentions were about changing the author credit of a publication which didn't match those given in the noted sources. Once you made that intention clear, I accepted the submission. At this point, whether the changes could have been made in one submission is moot. As it was, you could have changed the author credit of the publication, the shortfiction content, cover art, and interior art, in a single submission. Changing the chapbook credit would have taken a second submission. (You saw that it was "yellowed-out" which means you can't edit it during a publication record edit.) In either case, it took two submissions to make the corrections.<br />
::::2. Add publication records based on the title and credit given in your reliable sources without any concern for how it is titled and credited now. Once the records are in the database, we can determine a) the canonical title, and b) the canonical author credit. Variants and/or pseudonyms will be determined then. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:36, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Children of Lir'' ==<br />
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I changed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?560803 this record] from a NOVEL to a CHAPBOOK with a SHORTFICTION content, since it appears to be less-than-novel length. If you've determined that it is more than 40,000 words, let me know and I'll reverse the change. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: No, this is fine. Thanks. I am reading this one and I will assess as novelette or whatever length. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:09, 29 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: A novella, ~20,000 words. And so entered. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:49, 1 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== pb or tp ==<br />
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Re the update you made to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303688 this record]: Where did the "5.1 inches" come from? The UK doesn't use inches. According to [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/782024148 OCLC], the book is 20 cm. which makes it a trade paperback. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:56, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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OK. I see you got that dimension from Amazon.com (not Amazon.co.uk, which was your stated source). The width is 5.1 inches, the depth is 0.3 inches, and the height is 7.8 inches, making it clearly a trade paperback. I'll correct the record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:01, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Making a pseudonym / creating a variant ==<br />
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Re {{A|Katie May}}: When you make an author into a pseudonym, you must follow-through by varianting each of the titles credited to that author into variants of titles credited to the canonical author. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Before you do that, what is your source that Katie May is the same person as {{A|Katie May Green}}? (This should have been asked before the moderator accepted the submission creating the pseudonym.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:18, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Probably the moderator read the Notes that I submitted at the same times [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971249 14:12] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971277 14:31] (approval times, i suppose).<br />
: I entered the titles as chapbooks where the first eds., British, had been entered as novels. Then observed to the moderator [[User talk:Rtrace#Magic Ballerina chapbooks]] that I think I must fix the CHAPBOOK issue before returning to the variant issue.<br />
: During the last hour alone moderators Rtrace, Hauck, and Mhhutchins have approved in succession and all may be inscrutable to anyone.<br />
: I suppose you converted multiple publications of the one title (#2 the Magic Spell) but not the other (#1 the Magic Ballet Shoes) --or that multiple moderators responded differently-- because my experience was different for the two titles. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:36, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Perhaps you've misread my post or have confused it with another post. I was talking about the variant/pseudonym situation, not the conversion situation. These are entirely separate matters. Please re-read my post and respond. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:08, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Please read the linked material. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:12, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'll ask the same question again: "What is your source that Katie May is the same person as Katie May Green?" That isn't answered in the post on Ron's page. If you have a confirmed source that they are the same person, you should have made the variants immediately upon making that determination. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:19, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I presumed that you would be able to read the two Notes that I cited, which the approving moderator [[User:Hauck]] probably read at the time, 2016-03-06 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971249 14:12] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971277 14:31] per the log "My Recent Edits".<br />
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For now I have unlinked May and May Green in the database, but see the wiki [[Author:Katie May Green]]; cf [[Author:Katie May]]. Perhaps there can be a software solution for generating numerous variant titles. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:07, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm flummoxed. Now that you've confirmed (based on the wiki page you created) that they're the same person, why do you want to remove the pseudonym relationship that you'd previously established? <br />
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:And there is a software solution for generating variant titles. Unfortunately, a human has to initiate it manually, then the software takes over. We don't want software that will automatically create variants because sometimes pseudonyms are shared by different authors, e.g. {{A|Daisy Meadows}}. <br />
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:I'm going to reject your submission to remove the pseudonym and then create variants for the "Katie May" titles. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:16, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Converting NOVEL to CHAPBOOK ==<br />
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When changing the type in the metadata section from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK, you should add a CHAPBOOK content record at the same time, saving an additional submission, and avoiding a publication record which doesn't have a title reference link. For example, check out [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?468166 this record] which no longer links to its title record...or any title for that matter. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:24, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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For future reference, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_convert_a_novel_to_a_chapbook#Converting_a_NOVEL_publication_to_a_CHAPBOOK here] are the instructions to convert a NOVEL to a CHAPBOOK. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:26, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought that I would Import the one CHAPBOOK title record into successive publications of that title, rather than create a new CHAPBOOK title record for every publication.<br />
: Perhaps Rtrace (signs Ron) has experienced what he considers too many editors who don't bother to merge near-replicate titles? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:44, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Importing the CHAPBOOK record works if you're a moderator and can do your own approvals. When a non-moderator submits and has to wait, it leaves publication records without title references, and increases the chances that the conversion may not be completed. (Sometimes life interferes during the wait.) As suggested in the help page I linked here, you should change the type and add a CHAPBOOK content record in the same submission. You don't save submissions by importing the CHAPBOOK record. In fact, that increases the number of submissions required to get a publication record completely converted. It only takes a single submission to merge the duplicate CHAPBOOK records, and not doing so isn't as fatal as a publication record without a title reference record. So please follow the instructions provided. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Thanks. I left a note for Stonecreek (one approving moderator, whom I referred to Rtrace yesterday).<br />
::: Sorry about the prev and next sections. I am out of time now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:26, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Those records that don't have a title reference are still waiting to be repaired. This proves my point that a CHAPBOOK content record should be added during the same submission that changes the publication type. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:11, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Done some. (generally without adding the original illustrations at the same time)<br />
::::: Do you find such anomalies automatically and currently? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:15, 9 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::No. It's not automatic. There is also a nightly clean-up report which finds publications with this error. Then a moderator has to fix it manually. BTW, I'm not sure how it happened, but now [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?468166 this] has '''two''' title references. I let you see it before I repair it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:39, 9 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I see how it happened. You made two successive submissions that added a CHAPBOOK content title, and the same moderator accepted both submissions without question. Even moderators are human. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:42, 9 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: I submitted one Remove Title.<br />
::::::: I found that lot in reference to my Recent Edits log from a couple days ago, evidently too hastily, as that log includes replications of course. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:00, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Submission to remove accepted. I went ahead and merged the two duplicate CHAPBOOK titles created by the duplicate submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:50, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] Do you plan on converting the other Magic Ballerina publications to CHAPBOOKs? If not, I'll try to find time to do it. (I actually hate wasting so much of my limited time on this juvenalia.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:53, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I plan to convert only one more -- #4, for which Amazon shows a back cover and thereby identifies cover artist Katie May. On my amateur view, this suggests all six in the first lot, at least, were illustrated cover and interior by the same person, but I don't plan to do more than say so in a series note.<br />
: If my local public library owned even one of them, I would augment that record greatly and verify it. But no, and I will not recommend the purchase of one. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:28, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: This one [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0007286171 at Amazon].<br />
:: By the way, from a sample of one I judge that they are novelettes at ~125 words per unillustrated page, probably about 10000 words each. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Done Magic Ballerina #4 T{{t|1063662}} including the variant first U.S. title. I specified length "novelette" in one publication record only, may need to end session before seeing the effect (not to mention complete variant/import of the artworks). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:21, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: Done. T{{t|1063662}}<br />
:::: Initially, evidently, I assigned Storylen novelette to one new CHAPBOOK title rather than to the new shortfiction in one of its publications, so I don't know whether the latter would propagate. Later I updated the SHORTFICTION title to Storylen novelette. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:53, 11 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas in Enchantia'' ==<br />
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Re your update to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303696 this record]: If a reliable secondary source (like OCLC) gives a page count which contradicts Amazon's count, odds are pretty good that it's the correct count. Amazon's page count comes from the total number of pages in a book, based on publisher data, and it is usually in multiples of 4 (because that's how most books are published.) We use the same page counting method as OCLC. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:09, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Tail of Emily Windsnap'' ==<br />
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The LCCN given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?65785 this publication] should be "2003065284", not "203-65284". The number you gave is missing a zero, and the LoC removed the dash at the start of this century. The last six digits must also have leading zeros to complete it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:53, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?523577 this record], the Canadian price should be given in the format "C$" instead of "$C". Think "'''C'''anadian Dollar'''$'''" for the right sequence. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: done; done; immediately preceding section too --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:08, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Man They Couldn't Arrest'' ==<br />
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Re the notes in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310745 this publication]: The OCLC record to which you link doesn't give the publication date as 1925. It provides the copyright date. The book must be undated, because the other OCLC record linked in the notes gives it as "[c1927]" meaning circa 1927. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:47, 11 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Merrimeg'' ==<br />
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Re the update to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1980903 this title]: Its type now mismatches the publication under it. You could have made one submission updating the publication record's type and its title reference. Please update the publication record when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:23, 11 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of Odin'' ==<br />
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The first note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?564977 this record] needs clarification, as it appears to suggest that the author's name is given differently and not the illustrator. That should be part of a note about the actual illustrator credit. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:57, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Attempted and I hope done minutes ago ... [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2994242] as approved by Rtrace --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:37, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I changed the publisher credit to "The Macmillan Company" which was the US publisher's name in the first half of the 20th century. (That's also what is given on the title page.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:33, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Regarding 'The Macmillan Company' reportedly succeeded by Macm Publ Co aka Macm Inc, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?85 Publisher:Macmillan] says this is a catch-all; "There is currently no attempt to separate these into two publishers." --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes that could be confusing, especially since there is an attempt to separate "The Macmillan Company" for the early 20th century. (Search for it.) Perhaps it's saying that there is no attempt to separate "Macmillan Publishing Company" and "Macmillan, Inc." into two different publishers. They both should be entered as "Macmillan". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:56, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Earlier today I entered three [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?5188 Publication Series: Macmillan Children's Classics] from "Macmillan". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Check their title pages. During this time period, US publications should be "The Macmillan Company". UK publications should be "Macmillan and Co.". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:56, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::I've made the changes based on secondary sources, and have updated the note on the publisher page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?85 Macmillan]. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:06, 31 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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(edit conflict) (i simply dump it and run as i am expected at about 00:00)<br />
: Another day I might check HathiTrust for digital copies (which WorldCat or some WorldCat libraries evidently catalog/ue as ebooks, by the way). <br />
: Macmillan is well-established in the database; seems to be established just as "Doubleday, Doran" for DOUBLEDAY, DORAN AND COMPANY, INC. ([[User talk:Mhhutchins#The Autocracy of Mr. Parham]]) and perhaps alternatives of intermediate length. <br />
: For now it's late enough for me to pursue a TV basketball game. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:19, 31 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Page counts on Amazon ==<br />
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Re the note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?376784 this record]: There's no need to record the page count provided by Amazon when you have a reliable secondary source (or the book in hand.) They use the publisher's method of counting ''all'' the pages in a book, unlike the method we use. Giving the Amazon data when it's wrong (or anyone's for that matter) would only confuse the user. WorldCat uses approximately the same method as the ISFDB, so it's a pretty reliable source for page counts. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:55, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:#Before I return to that record let me follow-up at one or two removes. This publication record is "Not Verified" with respect to any source. Previously it contained a single Note, "Data from Amazon.com as of 2012-02-13" (and the auto-generated "Cover art supplied by Amazon.com" presumably derived from the Image URL value). Thus Amazon appears to have been the only source; it is the only source if previous editors have done their jobs well.<br />
:#Would that also be true if the record were Verified w/r one or more secondary Reference such as Locus1? Or does it go without sayin' --without a Note-- that some of the data may be from any one of the "Verified" secondary References?<br />
: If it isn't clear what I have in mind, say so simply and I will expound another day. Good night, too late for me --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:36, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::# When a record states "Data from Amazon.com" that means it has been verified against Amazon's data. That doesn't mean it's correct. That means it matches the data given by Amazon. That would be the same for any secondary source. I'm not sure what you mean by "previous editors have done their jobs well." If the note in a publication record states "Data from Amazon.com as of 2012-02-13", there's a 99% chance that the editor was this clever fellow named [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]. He does a great job creating publication records from the multi-billion bytes of data on Amazon, but I'm not sure if I'd invite him to a party. :)<br />
::# Yes. Those records that are marked as verified using data from [[Reference:Verification_Sources|secondary sources]] means the same thing as the Note about Amazon being the source. When there are multiple secondary verifications marked, it would be nice if an editor would indicate exactly which data comes from which source. Some of us do, but nothing requires that we do so. I've found it's a good habit to get into when verifying from multiple sources. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:44, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Farrar & Rinehart ==<br />
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I've deleted the wiki page for this publisher and moved the data to the database page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?17605 this publisher]. Keep this in mind when adding publisher data to the database. Wiki pages for data are being phased out. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:30, 9 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: What about a more complex page such as [[Publisher:Rinehart]], which has an image and two footnotes?</font> --of which the image and one note is the sort of material that "should" be kept somewhere. Does the database have features other than text and HTML markup behind a {BREAK}? Does the medium-term plan for Wiki pages cover some of the Rinehart elements? <br />
: What is the medium-term prospect for Author and Bio pages? ...<br />
: ... (much later) OK, I found and read three sections at ISFDB:Community Portal, currently #81-83 of which the first is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Wiki-to-Database_migration:_Publication_and_Publication_Talk_pages 81 Wiki-to-Database migration: Publication and Publication Talk pages]. I don't see the practical import. <font color=green>I think maybe "keep in mind" means you hope I will do the migration myself for a substantial Wiki page that is so simple as the former [[Publisher:Farrar & Rinehart]]? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:58, 9 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::No. By "keep in mind", I mean don't add data to any wiki pages when it can be easily added to the database proper. The questions you've asked should be part of the discussion on the Community Portal. This migration hasn't been fully discussed, and I'm as much in the dark as everyone else about it. About those images, I have no idea how they're going to be handled. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:29, 9 April 2016 (UTC)</font><br />
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== Verification Sources - What are they? What do they mean? Where can I find them? ==<br />
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Re the question you posted on Chris's talk page just now about the ISFDB list of Verification Sources: I direct you to the answer I supplied to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Pwendt#Page_counts_on_Amazon this post]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:04, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: That is no answer. The table in ISFDB Wiki provides no key to use of the sources themselves, nor any remarks about precedence they should take in use for editing the ISFDB database. (As for Amazon, not one of the sources, you have written that other sources take precedence; further, that to provide discordant Amazon data is discouraged.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:50, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I answered the direct question below. The purpose of this post was to point you back to a previous one in which I provided you with a link to a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Reference:Verification_Sources page] which explains each of the sources which are listed on the "Verification Status" table of each publication record. Clicking on each of them (under the "Reference" column) gives a pretty thorough explanation, except for Locus1, which is the only online source, so we felt it only necessary to link to that website. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I followed the linkname "Locus1" that we display on publication pages (not in the ISFDB Wiki table) and poked around that website for a while. There is no key at the head or foot of the index ("The Locus Index to Science Fiction: 1984-1998") nor is any such thing evident in the site index ("The Locus Index to Science Fiction: Site Directory") that we target as "Locus1" on publication pages. <br />
: So I asked Chris J about the key, and the dating convention in particular.<br />
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In Locus1 listings, the first date is the book's date of publication as supplied by the publisher; the date in brackets is the date a copy of the book was received in the Locus offices. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:08, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. That is what I asked Chris J in particular.<br />
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By "key" do you mean the [http://www.locusmag.com/index/abbrev.htm list of abbreviations] used in the Locus database? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:09, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: No, I scanned that as I poked around three hours ago. It covers only abbreviations, no other conventions. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:50, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I guess William Contento, who managed the Locus database, didn't believe a key was necessary. Other than the bracketed date, everything else in a Locus listing is self-explanatory. What are the conventions you were needing to know about Locus1? I've been there thousands of time, so I could probably answer most of them. 03:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: --Mhhutchins<br />
::: On my first visit, none but the dual dates. If something comes up later, I'll ask you. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:23, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Missing price on The Minnipins ==<br />
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You have a £ symbol but no price listed for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567580 recently added pub for The Minnipins]. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 22:53, 20 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I "learned" the blank currency symbol to indicate the US/UK nationality of the publication (granted we may actually need a value such as 2s/6d) from ''NightBirds on Nantucket'' T{{t|13704}} which displays its systematic use evidently by [[User:Bluesman]].<br />
: I sometimes use it, after consultation at [[User talk:Mhhutchins#Price £ or $]], but I don't often remember and don't always have the pound symbol at hand, so I don't use it much. Nor did I take the suggestion to raise the convention for discussion by the community. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:22, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::If you have an American keyboard, you can use the ALT code for the British pound symbol: ALT+0163 (hold down the ALT key and enter "0163" in the number pad.) For other ALT codes go [http://www.alt-codes.net/ here]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]]<br />
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:::Ah... I had not seen that convention before. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:00, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Poppyseed Cakes'' publisher ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your {{P|567826|Poppyseed Cakes}} submission, but in the notes you mention it says "A Borzoi Book". If Borzoi is on the title page, I think you should instead record the publisher as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1305 Borzoi / Alfred A. Knopf] to capture the imprint, especially since we already have an imprint / publisher entry. I'm guessing we are not very consistent about capturing the Borzoi (given the few publications), but I did not find any discussion suggesting we should NOT capture it. See what you think. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:13, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: [http://www.amazon.com/Poppy-Everymans-Library-Childrens-Classics/dp/0375712321 Here] is the "Look Inside!" which does show the title page with no mention of Borzoi <br />
: title page bottom: Everyman's Library Children's Classics // <br />
:: Alfred A. Knopf New York London Toronto<br />
: copyright page top: This is a Borzoi Book //<br />
:: Published by Alfred A. Knopf<br />
: In the bullet list I mean initial dashes to indicate second-level items, three sub-points to "copyright page". Now submitted[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3015346] I insert add a first list item "Title page" and add a colon to "Copyright page:". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:21, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Placing publication data in a title record ==<br />
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This is not usually done. We try to separate the work (the title record) from any publication of the work (the publication record). Why not just create publication records for these Kennedy chapbooks? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:00, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Regarding the latter, maybe I should have done so, or saved more work in progress at [[Author:Marcia Sewall]] which I also had open as I gradually closed down. I did want to provide sources for fixing the shortfiction title dates.<br />
* Is there any way to create at once a new CHAPBOOK from a SHORTFICTION Title record; that is, to create a new container for that work? [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::There is not a way to add a publication to a contained title (SHORTFICTION, ESSAY, INTERIORART), only a container title (NOVEL, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, etc.) using the "Add New ..." function. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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* How to you suggest that a library catalog/ue Summary be noted in container title record? Eg, "Visiting with the caretaker of an empty old mansion, orphaned Jessamy emerges from the nursery closet into the world of 1914 when her namesake lived in the same house and left her adventures and a mystery to be solved again in the present. --Summary from one library catalogue record" without any link?<br />
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::You don't have to provide a link, just give the source. If the link is permanent, just use simple HTML to create a link. Don't link to an outside webpage if you're not certain that it's permanent. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: In user space I have now assembled much data on these story publications. I'll think about how to create database records efficiently.<br />
: P.S. I don't know whether we try to write in the database, as at Wikipedia, "catalog" or "catalogue" depending on whether or not some entity is USAmerican. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Both spellings are acceptable in the ISFDB. Any English reader should be able to understand both. Don't waste time trying to determine if the source is American English or British English (or any other form of English). Use the spelling you're more comfortable with. (I'm puzzled why so many Wikipedia editors use "whilst" instead of "while" as a conjunction. To my American ears, the former sounds so pretentious. But as for differences in spellings, I can look at "flavour", "centre", and "realise" all day long without blinking an eye.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Acknowledged, thanks. I must run now, after completing [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard#Richard Kennedy]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:04, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Bedknob and Brookstick(s)'' ==<br />
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I have no idea what you're doing with these latest submission (adding a new title reference to a record that already has one.) But I've accepted them with the expectation that you'll clean them up (they're in pretty bad shape right now.) Perhaps it would have been better to just delete them and start from scratch. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:56, 30 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Probably that would have been better. (I'll check back within 24 hours) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:15, 1 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Removing a double-credit ==<br />
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When you end up with an author/artist credited twice, removing just one of them does not work. The software is not smart enough: It finds that each name is still associated with the record and keeps each one. To remove a double-credit, you need to remove all of them, then put one back after the removal is accepted. I did that for you. I hope {{T|1995888|this}} is what you wanted. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:09, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:The recent change in software allows an editor to also edit each COVERART record individually. So you can edit one record to give both artist credits, and then use the remove function to get rid of the other one. You also have to remember to delete the record you removed, since it will stay in the database, regardless of whether it is associated with a publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:42, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: thanks --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:52, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Pippi Longstocking ==<br />
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Hello, please remember to merge the NOVEL titles created when you add an OMNIBUS. I've done this for you by supposing that the translators stayed the same. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:54, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi. Can you direct me to instructions or discussion concerning multiple published translations into one language?<br />
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: I do maintain notes on things to do "later", as in Notes to Moderator for two omnibus editions of Pippi yesterday [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3032589] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3032610].<br />
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: I do not know the treatment of multiple translations. I see that it may be very complex {{t|7388|Title: Voyage au centre de la Terre}}. '''For the Pippi Longstocking novel(la)s, where we now have multiple translations merged as one Title, I do have some notes on translations in user space.'''<br />
:::::: Tiina Nunnally 2007 (see below) is the only third translation of the novels in my user space notes. Evidently she also translated some Pippi picture books; maybe some first English editions ...<br />
: The two Pippi omnibus editions do not contain original translations but they do contain different translations --1950s US translations in the Viking omnibus and 1950s UK translations in the Oxford omnibus. We now have distinct Title records for the two early English translations only for book 2, ''Pippi Långstrump går ombord'', and only because its was published under two different English titles, US ''on Board'' T{{t|1998501}} and UK ''Aboard'' T{{t|1462189}}.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:46, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: I submitted improvements to the two OMNIBUS Title records only, said in Note to Moderator "in progress; novel Titles 1 and 3 may need un-merge; User talk:Pwendt#Pippi Longstocking (w moderator Hauck)"<br />
:: Translators are now identified primarily in the 1950s novel publication records. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::For multiple translations, the rule is that there is one translated title record for each translator (that why we're putting the translator at title level, it avoid undue merging), see for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?63598 this short story] that has three different translations in french and so 3 different title records. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:19, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Update done, for the two OMNIBUS Title records and four NOVEL Title records. What is the best way to unmerge the two Viking publications of Pippi in the South Seas, for instance. Begin at the first publication P{{p|568496}} and remove the container NOVEL [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/rmtitles.cgi?568496]? Or manually copy all to a New Novel? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:03, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::No, first go to title level ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1462190 here]), then select the "Unmerge Titles" tool (on the right side), choose the two "Viking" titles, submit and then you'll see that the unmerge function is bugged when there's an OMNIBUS present! (I've already alerted to this specific problem but to not avail) Without such a bug (e.g. with only novels to unmerge, you'll just have to "re-merge" the correct newly created titles and re-variant them). I've done this for you (or so I hope), result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1462193 here]). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:19, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Thanks, H. For the first novel there is a third translation, apparently also commissioned by Oxford. Some data at Amazon are corrupt. <br />
Note to self: Amazon provides Look Inside 978-0-19-278241-0 (paper) --with 2007 transl. by Tiina Nunnally-- for some other editions, at least once without notice. <s>We may have incorrect data (incl cover image?) for 2011 US Viking p{{p|530058}}, 2012 UK Oxford {{p|481286}}</s> '''those records confirmed, expanded -Pwendt'''<br />
:::::: Now I will *add* 978-0-19-278241-0 to the database and then maybe quit Pippi for today. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I've worked a bit on it and created three different and separate translations. Still missing are the translators of the two omnibuses. If you add them, I can do the (bugged) unmerging. See you tomorrow! [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:16, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::::: Our records for the two omnibus editions are correct; I switched one of the contained translations, which required several steps because of the bug you noted. I added links to LCCN and OCLC records but Amazon including its Look Inside! is the source of almost all data. <br />
:::::::: After confirming/correcting our records for the three publications immediately above, all single novels, it was easy to unmerge and merge them, two steps. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:09, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Publisher T. Nelson ==<br />
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"T. Nelson" shows up as a new publisher. It looks to me like it is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Nelson_(publisher) Thomas Nelson]. If you agree, and it's ok with you, may I change that to Thomas Nelson on those two submissions (leaving your notes as-is)? We have Thomas Nelson as a publisher already. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:06, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Please hold for a few days. Perhaps I will add more Ursula Moray Williams eds. from notes in user space, pass over any "T. Nelson" or make a note to hold those too. I will check other sources for these. LC catalog was down for me Fri/Sat and after end of semester yesterday I have no night/Sunday access to historical newspapers. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:32, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, I will do that. Let me know when you are done and what you decide we should use. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:03, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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* One more submitted and cancelled by mistake [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3034688] "Camden [N.J.] T. Nelson" (other cities are New York and Nashville [Tenn.]) <br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:40, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: All four now in the queue should be "Thomas Nelson".<br />
::: I added a Note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28709 Publisher: Thomas Nelson & Sons], not yet for Thomas Nelson, and reallocated a few books. A few remain. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Great. I accepted the submissions and changed the publisher in each to Thomas Nelson. I also added the Wikipedia link to the Thomas Nelson page. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:37, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I added a Note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?386 Publisher: Thomas Nelson], narrowed its target to the Wikipedia section Current United States company, and completed reallocation of all pre-1969 books to the British company (& Sons), which published also in North America. We don't attribute any subsequent publications to &&nbsp;Sons and a glance at ISBN for Thomas Nelson publications suggests that we may not have any in the database. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== [Hamish] Hamilton ==<br />
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Hi. You used Hamilton on {{P|570740|this}} but Hamish Hamilton on {{P|570741|this}}. The LOC records both show London, Hamilton, and I am guessing both should have the same publisher credit. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:58, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hamish Hamilton. At the same time I promoted Reindeer Books from my Notes (as series noted by both LCCN and OCLC) to Publication series. <br />
: And i eliminated Reindeer Books from the database as a publisher by revising one record. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 16 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Net to Catch the Wind'' ==<br />
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The system was grumpy about your submission for {{P|571624|A Net to Catch the Wind}} and forced me to reject it. It looked to me like the changes were the notes and the date on everything. I copied the notes over and made the date change. Please check that it's all the way you want it, and if there's something other than the notes and date, you'll have to redo it. Sorry about that, and thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:48, 24 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I had created the CHAPBOOK title with a redundant copy of the SHORTFICTION and "Note to Moderator: first publication of this short story; later merge them" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3042213]. Probably another editor merged them, thus deleted the new SHORTFICTION, while my first follow-up was in the queue.<br />
: All is well. I restored hyperlinks and on further investigation I found more to be said P{{p|571624}}. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:02, 24 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Dragon's Nest ==<br />
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I answered your posting on my "Messages Page". When you're right, you're right, and you were right. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:45, 17 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== ''Faust'' submission ==<br />
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Hi. I think your ''Faust'' submission duplicates {{P|372389|this entry}}. See what you think. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:19, 24 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi. Yes, my submission duplicates the book, 1st ed. presumable 1st printing. I missed it yesterday.<br />
: Do we use such longlong titles by policy? I have shortened some full titles that are much shorter than this one. And we now give a one-word title for the companion novel <i>Falstaff</i> (1976) T{{t|1612138}}. For that one I had partly assembled in user space, but not submitted, data for the two 1st eds. thus:<br />
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:: (1st ed.) LCCN: <a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/77352232">77-352232</a> and OCLC: <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2930386">2930386</a><br />
:: -- as Main title: "Falstaff : being the Acta domini Johannis Fastolfe, or Life and valiant deeds of Sir John Faustoff, or The hundred days war, as told by Sir John Fastolf, K.G., to his secretaries William Worcester, Stephen Scrope, Fr. Brackley, Christopher Hanson, Luke Nanton, John Bussard, and Peter Basset <br />
:: -- "/ now first transcribed, arranged and edited in modern spelling by Robert Nye."<br />
:and<br />
:: (1st US ed.) LCCN: <a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/76027765">76-27765</a> and OCLC: <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2373077">2373077</a><br />
:: -- (as above)<br />
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: For <i>Falstaff</i> all four linked records give the long title. For <i>Faust</i>, LC gives one-word title for the 1st ed.[https://lccn.loc.gov/80142102], longlong for the 1st US ed.[https://lccn.loc.gov/80039696]. <br />
: Perhaps the longlong titles should appear only in Notes, perhaps best in both Title and Publication records.<br />
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: <s>P.S. At the moment Robert Nye A{{a|5059}} because "merge/variant as approp" remains on my to-do list for three Beowulf titles.</s> --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:59, 24 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::We want the title as the book has it on the title page. You could raise this question on the [[Rules_and_standards_discussions|Rules and standards discussions]] page or the [[ISFDB:Community_Portal|Community Portal]] and see what others have to say. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:47, 25 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hi. I still have that submission on hold. Since you agree that it's a duplicate, would you copy any information you want to preserve into the existing entry and then cancel it when you do not need it any longer? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:34, 14 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: ok {{done}} (and <s>strikeout</s> what is long obsolete above) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:54, 14 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Copyright dates for some of Kipling's ''Just So Stories'' ==<br />
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Hi, I accidentally approved one of your submissions and have put several others on hold: the copyrights of these are assigned for the years 1900 & 1901 to Kipling, but this is not enough to ensure a publication in the respective year. Have you any more evidence for respective publications before 1902? (Per help we assign the original publication date of a title, not the year of copyright or writing.) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:48, 28 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
: I cancelled and resubmitted one of the four (Armadillos) that were on hold because that one alone names a publishing company, Curtis Publishing Company. Five state copyright by Kipling alone, of which four prior to 1902 so that I submitted a change in the "Year" field.<br />
: Wikipedia and others say that three of the twelve stories were published in a children's magazine, evidently by Century Company during 1897. Of the other nine Wikipedia says only that they were added to make the 1902 collection, but I suppose Curtis had published the one somewhere.<br />
: If I understand correctly, the Notes are OK, and may prompt someone to find a deeper source. But the "Year" 1902-00-00 should be retained/restored for three of those on hold and for one that you approved (Leopard). Right?<br />
: Now I must break, perhaps for the day. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:10, 28 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: '''Update.''' Now at the university library where I have access to historical newspapers. Here are the first two of three sentences in one item, "Notes and News" <i>NY Times</i> 1902-04-12 pBR12<br />
:: "Rudyard Kipling has finished three more stories for the <i>Ladies Home Journal</i> in his series of "Just-So Stories", which he has been writing for the magazine.[retaining copyright evidently] The first of the stories will be called 'The Cat That Walked by Himself'."<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:03, 28 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::As this note appeared in 1902, I have restored 1902 as the year of publication: it may be possible (even likely), that some titles were published before the book, but as we don't know yet which of them and when, we better stick with the yet known first publication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:59, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I agree. I fully hope and half expect to find some 1900 to 1902 magazine publication dates with university library facilities, but that is not for today. And I withhold incremental update of the COLLECTION <i>Just So Stories for Little Children</i> T{{t|39137}}. <br />
:::: Technically, are you as moderator able to revise my submission? Or do you mean approve what is on hold and then make another update yourself? (I see in the log of my rejected submissions that you did not reject any, and I don't know of any other log available to me.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:12, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Well, it's only possible to either reject a submission or to accept it and change the new record afterwards in a second step. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:26, 30 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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11 of the 12 stories were previously published in US (9) and UK (2) from December 1897 to October 1902, per Ernest Walter Martindell, ''A Bibliography of the Works of Rudyard Kipling (1881-1921)'', Bookman's Journal, 1922 (located at books.google.com).<br />
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All 12 short story Title records done, with that information --the first three-part serial with links to digital copies at HathiTrust Digital Library. COLLECTION Title not yet updated. <br />
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One month before it published the first of six stories, <i>The Ladies Home Journal</i> April 1900 published an article --not necessarily prose by Kipling-- entitled "Rudyard Kipling's New Animal Stories". That is the top line of the front cover ([http://www.magazineart.org/main.php/v/womens/ladieshomejournal/LadiesHomeJournal1900-04.jpg.html LHJ 1900-04 cover image]).<br />
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--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:51, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Evidently "The Elephant's Child" is the story content published under "Rudyard Kipling's New Animal Stories", April 1900. That explains the 1900 copyright, and I suppose that the title sufficiently explains why the 1926 bibliographer missed it. So I cancelled the submission on hold, focusing on that story's 1902 re-issue in ''The Windsor Magazine''. <br />
: [https://lccn.loc.gov/2007586218 LCCN: 2007-586218]; [https://lccn.loc.gov/2008570150 2008-570150]<br />
: Also I know the original illustrator {{a|Frank Ver Beck|130668}}. That's all for now, no time to write up. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:56, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Pearson's Magazine, October 1902 ==<br />
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Hello. Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304415 this publication], I have put your submission on hold, as I didn't understand your change from 1902-08-00 to 1902-09-00, given the date of publication of the magazine. If this is not a typo, please clarify in the notes if possible. Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 20:55, 20 July 2016 (UTC).<br />
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: I suppose that is a typo, '9' for '0', as I must have intended to change the date of the Title ''Pearson's Magazine - 1902'' T{{t|1049941}} from 1902-08 to 1902-00. Probably I shouldn't have tried to change that along with Publication update ''Pearson's Magazine, October 1902''.<br />
: Just now I submitted merge of the April 1902 number with the 1902 volumes. The merge tool offered two choices to resolve Conflict, 1902-08 and 1902-04, and I selected the latter. <br />
: Probably I should have changed Title ''Pearson's Magazine - 1902'' from Year 1902-09-00 (oversight by previous editor, I suppose) to 1902-00-00 before undertaking to add any more 1902 issues. <br />
: Until 1902-08-00 approved by Hauck a couple hours ago, I had not previously added a number to a magazine year that is in the database, only added a year to a magazine series and added contents to number that is in the database. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:24, 20 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: A glance at other years shows that we date the Pearson titles by year YYYY-00-00 in some instances, and YYYY-MM-00 in other instances. For the latter, 'MM' is the month of the earliest number that is in the database, and I suppose this to be an oversight by previous editor. The title by year YYYY should always carry Year = YYYY-00-00. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:28, 20 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: My subsequent [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3097568 Pending Title Update Submission] includes change of Year from [now 1902-04-00] to 1902-00-00. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:47, 21 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::I'm not sure there's a written rule for this. I usually change the date to "YYYY-00-00" (or simply "YYYY") with titles grouped by year but I've seen other strategies. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:36, 21 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sorry for not answering sooner, as I have been unavailable until now. I'll approve your submission; please make the necessary corrections afterwards. Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 14:02, 21 July 2016 (UTC).<br />
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== Magazine submission ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?579777 This] had a problem with an empty, unclosed anchor tag (it was just <code><a href="</code>) that made a mild mess of the display. I replaced that with XXXXX. It'll need fixing up. I think all of the rest of your note text survived. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:22, 26 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Harper's Weekly Magazine First Publications ==<br />
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I have three edits by you on hold. In each case, you are adding a statement regarding first published in Harper's Weekly. However, in each of these cases, the applicable Harper's Weekly publication is already in the database and contains the story. First published statements at the title level are only needed when the pub is not cataloged. If the pub is cataloged, they are redundant. You have also added notes regarding page numbers, heading, and illustrations that belong in the applicable pubs; not at the title level. I will leave these on hold for you to move the information into the applicable pubs. When done, please cancel the edits. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:22, 6 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
: One done in part, using page numbers "1193" and "|1193" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3147240 Submission 3147240].<br />
: Do you think it is reasonable to put all of this info in the Note? (as I have not done; this is copy-paste from deleted submission 3146213):<br />
:: p1193-94, with 4 illustrations by Richards, uncredited (clearly signed "F. T. Richards")<br />
: Commonly our book publication Notes cover attribution explicitly, when that differs from credit per title page (or from general sources such as Amazon or LCCN, if t.p. is not viewed). That is by policy as I understand it. Generally I have not replicated such information in the relevant Title records, in this case the F. T. Richards INTERIORART record, but it seems appropriate to do so. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:46, 6 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that would be appropriate. Stating the book doesn't have a credit statement, but the artwork is signed is valid information. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:05, 6 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:# I did mean "appropriate to do" it in both records (wording may differ): in the publication record (here, a magazine issue) and the title record (here, interiorart comprising N illustrations). It occurs to me now that we have a very great number of publication records derived from each other by cloning, and many generated partly by importing titles. We cannot practically expect notes on attribution to be replicated for every publication that contains a title, so the title records "need" such notes.<br />
:# One of the three remains on hold ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3146212 Submission 146212]) because it concerns a story T{{t|1016675}} published under variant title that is in the database. Here the variant long title is the original, under a natural interpretation of the original heading; see my submitted Note. Perhaps the long original should have been made the canonical title, but suppose we let it be. Moments ago you linked to the current Rules and Standards discussion a 2014 exchange [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive12#Variant_Dating Archive 12#Variant Dating]]. Your recommendation, approved by Mhhutchins, as I understand it in this case: "Title: Ghosts That Have Haunted Me" should be dated 1896-12-19 because it's the canonical title and that's the first publication of the work. Right? And "Ghosts That Have Haunted Me: A Few Spirit Reminiscences" should be dated 1896-12-19 too, of course, because that's the first publication under that title.<br />
:: Good night, late here in USA. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]<br />
:::Title record notes should contain information specific to the title. Publication record notes should contain information specific to the publication. Each publication record is supposed to identify the source of the information (either via primary verification or a secondary source note). Publication records missing sourcing does not mean the sourcing should be placed at the title record, it means the publication record should be fixed. In fact moving it to the title record it counterproductive as just because it is one way in one publication does not mean it is that way in all publications.<br />
:::Re the remaining edit: Based on that edit, the Harpers Weekly edition had the subtitle. Therefore, the current parent should be removed from the publication and the variant with the subtitle added. The note still belongs in the publication. Just because Harpers had the subtitle does not mean every other occurrence used it. I've gone ahead and made the changes.<br />
:::Yes, both should have the same date. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:44, 9 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Preface (Dracula's Guest) ==<br />
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I have your edit to {{T|878884|Preface (Dracula's Guest)}} on hold. Did you mean to add this synopsis and notes to {{T|83927|Dracula's Guest}} instead? They seem meant for that shortstory and not the essay. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:03, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:I see you made a subsequent edit to add the information to "Dracula's Guest". As such, I have rejected the edit to the preface since the content is about the shortstory and not about the essay. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:08, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: No, i submitted different material, citing/quoting the same Summary presumably from 2013 publisher Hachette Audio, to the SHORTFICTION and ESSAY title records, as i deemed appropriate. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:16, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Resubmitted in part, with greater clarity i hope. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:00, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Catacombs: A Tale of the Barque Cats ==<br />
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A bit late, but I answered your request on my page :-) --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] 18:09, 21 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Smith of Wootton Major" merge ==<br />
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I had to hard-reject your merge of "Smith of Wootton Major". One of the titles involved with the merge no longer exists (probably merged away in another submission). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:46, 25 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Evidently I submitted it twice, working from a long "Check for Duplicates" report without refreshing. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:12, 25 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Philippa Fisher's Fairy Godsister ==<br />
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Found the cover artists of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1982057 this cover art] at iStockphoto.com and changed it. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 19:51, 18 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Continued with wikilinks at [[User talk:Zapp#iStockphoto, Simon Spoon]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:23, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Subtitles ==<br />
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We don't use "A Novel" as a subtitle, ever. Cheers --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 21:01, 20 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Rejected "The Street of Mars" ==<br />
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I rejected this book as non-genre. The story concerns some kids in England, who are fascinated by some Roman ruins in their town. The streets in those ruins are named after various Roman gods, and they have some modest adventures on the street named after the god "Mars". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:34, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. You must have a good source for used books. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:23, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Black Cauldron ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?156761 this pub] found and put in. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 18:08, 11 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi, Zapp. Actually I know the Jean-Leon Huens and Jody Lee cover illustrations on sight; apparently so does my correspondent [[User:Taweiss]]. See [[User:Pwendt/People#Prydain covers]] (data as of 2016-07-07; numerals 1-5 in sublists designate the five novels). <br />
: The problems in mid-2010s are how to find sources that are reliable and what to do about all the bad data we have, some from editors who are no longer with us.<br />
: We have records such as {{t|143244|COVERART 143244}} for Dell Yearling ''The Book of Three'' with Jody Lee "Author" and a cover illustrated by Huens displayed. ''The High King'' is worse, {{t|144106}}.<br />
: The management of Dell Yearling imprint is most to blame, in my opinion, producing books that (a) use one ISBN for multiple designs, different cover artists if not also different sizes; while also (b) do not identify their cover artists and (c) do not date their printings. So we have books with different printing numbers and prices (certainly and almost certainly increasing as time passes, but that isn't good enough).<br />
: I never investigated, never started to learn, the process for correcting any records verified by retired editors. Eg [[User:Dragoondelight]] --altho I see that one did retire with notice "take over any/all that you might wish".<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:18, 11 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A thousand Miles an Hour'' ==<br />
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After approval, I uploaded a better cover scan, where the artist's signature is visible. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSNDMLSNH1924 here]. Cheers ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 17:32, 17 November 2016 (UTC).<br />
: Thanks. That is better than I found at e-Bay. By the way, the Kindle edition shows bright colors (http://www.amazon.com/thousand-miles-hour-Herbert-Strang/dp/B003UM47G8#reader_B00BWE78AI; Look Inside; scroll up). I will put that in error report to SFE3, which has cover artist D C Eyles elsewhere. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:44, 17 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Last Western ==<br />
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Hello, can you be more precise about the spec-fic elements of this book (I didn't find anything really conclusive)? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Hi. I don't know the book but stumbled upon its record in the database, and added more data from libraries, in the course of determining that Thomas S. Klise is the father of Kate and M. Sarah Klise.<br />
: Web search hits a fan review-conversation "The Great, Forgotten Sci-Fi Novel About The End Of The World" in which one of them calls it this "Very 1970s Catholic Social Apocalypse/Baseball Novel". I'll read it and try add something to the Title record. <br />
: today i can check contemporary newspapers too ... --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::I stumbled on the same page but after reading it (the page not the novel) I wasn't that convinced. The author is not on SFE3 and other usual sources so without any further evidence, I'm going to delete it. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:01, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: I find no review in multiple newspapers 1974 (and it was published early in the year). Sometimes I have access to journals and magazines, but not today.<br />
:::: One advertisement by a Chicago bookstore (send $6.95 plus 40c p&h per copy) quotes three reviews and also Walter M. Miller of ''Canticle for Leibowitz'' --the most apt author I can think of, but this is what we call "near-future" history evidently, in contrast to Miller's millenia.<br />
:::: The blurbs quoted from three reviews say in part "the most exciting and significant event in religious publishing in many many a moon", "a prophetic statement that dwarfs most others"; and "one of the most important religious books of the decade"; and "speculative fiction at its finest!". <br />
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:::: The first Customer Review at Amazon.com [https://www.amazon.com/last-Western-Thomas-S-Klise/dp/0913592315/ref=la_B001KMSE3W_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1480875380&sr=1-1] reports that it was essentially self-published (thus no reviews) and observies, "The Last Western's near-future setting makes it a speculative science fiction novel as well (R.A. Lafferty and Philip Jose Farmer both blurbed it)." And another says "A moving allegorical tale of grace, sin and redemption", ^a modern equivalent of Bunyan's "A Pilgrim's Progress"^ --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Blind" merges ==<br />
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Hello, I've rejected some of your proposed cover merges as there was no images for some titles so no way to determine if it's indeed the same cover. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:17, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: OK. I resubmitted MakeVariant for the one "Harold Siegel" title that does have a cover image.<br />
: For a couple weeks I have the Viking hardcover with dustjacket, library copy in clear plastic wrapper. Maybe I will look up how to make and upload an ISFDB-compatible cover image. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dr. Dolittle and the Green Canary ==<br />
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Hello, in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?598849 this pub] there seems to be a duplicate. Perhaps is the SHORTFICTION record an INTERIORART one. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:42, 27 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cosmopolitan, July 1889 ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your sumission but deleted the INTERIORART record. Only fiction is entered for nongenre magazines. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:45, 16 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Rose Royal'' price ==<br />
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Did you mean to include a price on {{P|88898|Rose Royal}}? It came through with just "$". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:22, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
: No, I noticed '$' in the table for another Nesbit book and thought that's a good idea to indicate UK/US ed without opening the publication records. I meant to enter '£' for Dormant too T{{t|197008}} (altho price surely less than £1) but overlooked it. Should it be deprecated? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:15, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
::I don't know. I wouldn't submit one that way, but others are, and the submissions are being approved, so you're just following precedent. They are easy enough to find and fix if someone decides we don't want them. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:42, 24 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Complete Book of Dragons'' clone ==<br />
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Hi. I don't understand the ''Complete Book of Dragons'' clone you've submitted. Doesn't it duplicate {{P|88864|this}}? Also, the notes say "1st US ed." but then you've given "£" as the price. So I'm a little confused. Help? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 03:19, 26 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
: evidently I did export contents from 1973 us to 1972 uk. So the clone is earlier mistake I neglected to delete. <br />
: good night --Pwendt from mobile keyboard without tilde afaik<br />
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== Earlier Dates ==<br />
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Hello, when you create a new record for a title that is earlier than the existing one (as you probably did with some Nesbit titles), please remember to change all the dates to the new earlier one, if not they will appear on a cleanup report and will have to be changed by a moderator. Thanks [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Wikipedia images ==<br />
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We can't link to Wikipedia, but generally images posted to Wikipedia are licensed in such a way that you can download them and upload them to the ISFDB (citing the source). Wikipedia provides a link to the license information for the image, so you can check the terms. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:20, 8 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Sequence of URL in Webpages field (Julie/Eloisa) ==<br />
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Hello, I believe I have this issue straightened out.<br />
The way that the site orders these links, the last link entered always appears at the left as the first link in the list. So for your links<br />
: Vol I http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries00gardgoog<br />
: Vol II http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries04rousgoog<br />
: Vol III http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries02rousgoog<br />
: Vol IV http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries01rousgoog<br />
I entered them into the Title Record in reverse:<br />
: Vol IV http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries01rousgoog<br />
: Vol III http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries02rousgoog<br />
: Vol II http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries04rousgoog<br />
: Vol I http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries00gardgoog<br />
So that the end result is the display order that you are trying to achieve. Of course, if someone adds another link to the list, it will appear first, but these four links should still appear in the proper order.<br />
[[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 17:50, 11 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. Webpages must frequently be displayed in poorly chosen sequence partly because few editors know this! --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:15, 11 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Jena Anderson ==<br />
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I have your edit to add a link to {{A|Jena Anderson}} on hold. There really isn't anything about the artist on that page (other than a statement she did the covers). Did you include the correct link? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:09, 22 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
: It wasn't a good resolution, altho it was what I intended in a hasty revisit after poking around the web on my phone. (I'm abbreviated on Tuesdays and I was sharply abbreviated on this one.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:14, 22 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding fictive days in publication date ==<br />
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Hello, I've reverted your changes that wished to add a fictive day (to order the publications). Such a practice (even documented in the notes) is creating new false information. Perhaps would the projected "Printing rank" field help you in the future. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:57, 3 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
: That wasn't me. It was my phone :--;<br />
: Thanks. My record of the 1st printing was a complement to that of the 2nd printing by user Chavey, who has not yet replied to my note. Probably its best if you add a comment there too, [[User talk:Chavey#The Secret Garden]]. <br />
: A printing rank field would have some value. I wouldn't give that change high priority. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:26, 3 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
:: I am not able to get to that book at present. I did a couple of those "artificial dates" some time ago, but I don't anymore, and don't object to having it taken out (as Hauk did). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:41, 4 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Fouqué versus Fouque ==<br />
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The software/database considers "é" to match "e". So because we have an entry "Friedrich de La Motte Fouque", you cannot also create another entry "Friedrich de La Motte Fouqué" -- the software matches that latter accented text to the existing un-accented text. The best we can do is use whichever version is more prevalent and note deviations where they occur. You could try to determine whether changing the name to "Friedrich de La Motte Fouqué" would be appropriate. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:23, 4 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Where Magic Reigns: German Fairy Tales Since Grimm ==<br />
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Your recent edits to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?617607 Where Magic Reigns: German Fairy Tales Since Grimm] have left Undine with a publication date later than the anthology it appears in. I have approved it but it will need to be fixed. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 20:13, 14 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Another editor picked it up evidently.<br />
: I do proofread much next day but not so much as I do on the 20 minute cycle.<br />
: --Pwendt<br />
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== External Identifiers ==<br />
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External identifiers (OCLC, LCCN, etc.) should no longer go into the notes field, but now into the new External Identifiers field on the publication editing screen. Select the specific type from the pull down, and just enter the number. The software makes the link automatically. If you have more than one, just the "Add External ID" button. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:52, 9 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Old Man Gully's Hant ==<br />
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Hello, I've put your submission on hold. I'm wondering what you're trying to achieve. This will create a new canonical for an author that has only one record so is its own canonical. Data about the real name can go in the notes. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 20:37, 10 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
: My purpose was not to add the writer's real name or full name (for which we have one Author field) but to add the original author and year of this story, in a 1911 collection. LC has records of two books by this writer, both as Sarah Johnson Cocke. Both are also listed at [http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Cocke%2C%20Sarah%20Johnson Online Books by Sarah Johnson Cocke].<br />
: The collection has been reprinted, in a [https://www.amazon.com/Bypaths-Dixie-Sarah-Johnson-Cocke-ebook/dp/B00ANUM8EI Kindle edition] among others, but I don't plan add it, or to assess its contents. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:42, 12 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
::OK, your aims are clearer. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:17, 12 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Notes templates ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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We have a few new-ish templates that can be used in Notes, including one for LCCN. If you use that one instead of direct links, if they ever change the format of their links or their server, a single change in the template will keep the link correct (as opposed to needing to change them in each publication. The complete list is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Linking_Templates here]. You are writing some pretty impressive notes in titles so I thought I would bring these to your attention. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:48, 24 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
: Gentle reminder :) I just changed the direct link to worldcat's OCLC record [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?983244 here] to the template. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:15, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1375484 here] :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hi. The instruction seems to have publication records in mind. (Maybe the instruction needs expansion.)<br />
::: "The use of linking templates should be limited to third party records which are not directly related to the publication, e.g. "The skeleton OCLC record {{OCLC|123456}} may be related." (And I don't know the meaning of "skeleton OCLC record".)<br />
::: Do we have any discussion of how much blue ink is desirable in various kinds of records?<br />
::: For a story title record --many of my submissions this summer-- frequently the original magazine (eg, <i>St. Nicholas</i>) or original illustrator (eg, W. R. Lohse) is in the database but I do not routinely link them (and never link publisher pages).<br />
::: Of course the numerical library catalog IDs are meaningless --and stable, we hope?-- whereas magazine and personal names are meaningful --and our canonical names are not stable; poorly chosen canonical names are corrected, albeit slowly. There is a good argument for using in Notes a version that appears in a relevant publication. <br />
::: If and when we have a "What links here?" feature, it will be desirable that Notes include links to our database pages, especially personal pages. For instance, from {{a|W. R. Lohse}} it would then be possible to list records in which he is noted --such as this one of my recent Notes T{{t|1375033}}. (I didn't provide any internal or external links, nor cite a library catalog record. That one is on my list to add the original 1922 publication to the database.) <br />
::: Do we have any discussion of these issues?<br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:46, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::: P.S. Commonly when I add a Title note that is "complete" rather than "to be continued", I have in hand multiple external source IDs such as LCCN, OCLC, and ASIN. Thus I could provide, or impose, a lot more blue ink. The records you approved this hour, such as T{{t|1375484}}, link (and cite) OCLC rather than LCCN because in this case all three OCLC records list the Contents, and LCCN do not. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:55, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::: The idea of most of the templates is to replace links in all Notes fields - so if you are planning to add a link to OCLC, LCCN and so on in your text, instead of the link, just use the template - thus minimizing the chances for a technical mistake and allowing the links to be changed if one of those sources reindex or change the format of the links without chasing all variations. If you just want to list OCLC records with no link, you still can do that of course. The instructions do need an update - they need to start pointing to external identifiers as well (so people know not to put those in notes anymore). On the publication level, the templates are to be used when the link cannot be pulled into an External Identifier (thus the way the note is written) - related records and so on. I will work on a proposed new documentation (thanks for the reminder) :) So technically it won't have more blue ink - same number of links remain, they just look a bit different.<br />
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::::: Think of the templates as links shortcuts - if it is on the list and you are adding a link, use the shortcut instead :) They do not replace all links (if the format does not suit what you are doing, go for a real link), neither they replace non-linked references. They are just links for the references(or texts for a few special cases - the Translator one is a text only but its usage will help us find all records with a Translator note when the feature for that is implemented).<br />
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::::: So the note here from me is not about the cases where you are not linking but when you are (I think I changed only those - did I manage to change by mistake something that was not a link initially? Apologies if I did - please send an update removing the template and I will approve it). <br />
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::::: If you would like a discussion on when it is worth using those and when not, go ahead. But as I said, my note is just for the case where you already have a direct link. As I said above - I find your notes very informative so I am not arguing why you have the references - I am just pointing out that we have a faster and more stable way to do the links now :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:06, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Supernaturalist ==<br />
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I thought that only illustrators were classified as Cover Artists and not designers? In your verified version of {{P|562749|The Supernaturalist}} the cover artists are specified as Alexander Garkusha and Stephan von Bolderick. On the back cover of my copy of {{P|116881|The Supernaturalist}} it states <I>Cover design by Alexander Garkusha. 3-D rendering by Stephan van Bolderick</I>. Note it is <I>van</I> not <I>von</I>. So I wonder if they should be removed from the Cover Artist field. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 10:18, 29 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: No doubt ''van'' Bolderick, as I wrote in the Note. Certainly I didn't notice that our Author name we have is Stephen ''von'' Bolderick, and I don't recall whether that was my typo or whether the Dutch-language cover was in the database, which I imported or merged without seeing the variant spelling.<br />
: The Dutch edition is not verified now. I don't how to find any creators of that publication record P{{p|528633}}, nor whether we maintain records from which any administrator can find them. Since I understand ''van'' to be Dutch and ''von'' German, I suppose the Dutch edition states ''van''. <br />
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: '''Main point.''' See three others of mine, the trilogy {{s|Philippa Fisher}}, re which I did initiate relevant Rules & Standards discussion that you should read, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive14#Entering_authors_as_credited--complex_attributions Entering authors as credited--complex attributions]. One aspect re ''The Supernaturalist'' must be whether "Digital Vision" should be credited as an author, or Garkusha, etc. Probably I judged that discussion inconclusive as a guide to practice. If you "search the database" for probably offending Names --[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=digital+vision&type=Name Name search : Digital Vision], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=istockphoto&type=Name : iStockphoto], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=getty+images&type=Name : Getty] -- you will probably be offended!<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:08, 10 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Answering your inquiries. ==<br />
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Just to let you know I answered your inquiry to best of abilities for now. Please let me know how you want to proceed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:17, 28 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Page Numbers for Ebooks ==<br />
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Ebooks shouldn't have page numbers. Even though many Project Gutenberg transcriptions leave the "page numbers," they don't equate to real pages so we don't record them. I accepted your edits to ''Edmund Dulac's Fairy-Book: Fairy Tales of the Allied Nations'', but edited the publication to change the page numbers from "#" to "|#" (this uses the page numbering for ordering purposes, but doesn't display it). Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:00, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
: OK. Now I submitted the page numbers to the 1st ed. (Hodder & Stoughton, 1916), which are identical, from its HathiTrust e-copy. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3578155 Submission 3578155]<br />
:: Note to self: identical pagination but extended by one extra story p171-74, namely the lead story in 1915 ''Edmund Dulac's Picture-Book for the French Red Cross'' announced ''The Observer'' 1915-09-19 p3, promoted -11-21 p5 "should and will be the gift book of the season" at 3/- , with "appeal for funds to be sent to him direct, care of the Daily Telegraph" [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100298600 at HDL] <br />
: This list of Contents (to be checked tomorrow) is nearly as long as I am happy to fix manually --add page numbers to each record and, as i recall, import one here and two there. Do you think it is reasonable to complete Contents in publication A; remove all contents from publication B; export all contents from A to B with page numbers? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:48, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, that works if all the page numbers are the same. Be sure to add notes to the moderator explaining what you are doing when you remove the contents. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:50, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: I'll try that some next time. Frequently the sequence of Contents is identical in multiple publication records, perhaps because a previous editor has Export Contents or Clone from one to the other, after adding Contents but without page numbers (or sequence as published). In this case, however, the Contents were once as published and once alphabetical by title! (and a couple were missing) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:17, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== McClure's - 1906 ==<br />
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I have your addition of a McClure's magazine on hold. What month is this issue? It should be entered as an individual issue (McClure, Month Year) so the publication has the correct title. The title record would then get merged into a single year title. Also, you did not include a source statement in the pub notes field. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:44, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
: If it is to be done that way, I need some instruction, not found at Help > New Magazine. After a summer of much reduced activity I have forgotten much that I didn't use frequently. <br />
: As I suggest in the Note to Moderator [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3601041], I planned to merge the two "McClure's - 1906" with the old Note and new date 1906-00-00 (rather than 1906-06-00). Offhand I don't know how to merge to Title records that do not share author ("Editors of McClure's") and nearly share title. I merge only via the "Check Duplicate Titles" feature of the summary bibliography [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?115684]. In fact, I don't believe that I have forgotten another way to merge!<br />
: Then I would fix the Publication title and give it date 1906-05-00 (rather than 1906-00-00). <br />
: Thanks in advance. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:19, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::While that makes merging the title records easier, the problem is that it creates a publication record titled "McClure's - 1906". The publication record needs to be "McClure, Month Year". I've gone ahead and approved it so you can {{P|638128|see what I mean}}. Please fix it. Usually, the easiest way to combine magazine records into a single title record is to go to the editor's summary page ({{A|Editors of McClure's|115684}} in this case) and use the "Show All Titles" link. That will show the titles and you can select and merge them from there. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:35, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: Done.<br />
::: Perhaps in the past I submitted a New Magazine (Publication record) whose annual (Title record) year is not yet represented in the database. Probably Mhhutchins, who moderated most of my first 500, taught the other approach in that context. Of course there would be no Merge step at all: 1. create the annual Title record, 2. fix the Publication record that is automatically generated. Do you recommend another approach in that context? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:02, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::I would recommend using add new magazine and setting the magazine title to the correct thing (ex: "McClure, March 2018"). Then either use show all titles to merge the title records or change the title record to "McClure - 2018" and then using check for duplicates to merge. I think that approach is clearer. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:46, 23 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Frank Adams ==<br />
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I have your Frank Adams related edits on hold. While I agree the cartoon and illustrator are likely to be different people, what is your sourcing for the people you identify? Your moderator notes seems to make it sound like you are assuming they are the respective artists vs. having a source. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:42, 5 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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: OK. First I will add another book or three by Frank Adams, at least ''Alice in Wonderland''. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:57, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::Not exactly sure how to interpret that... For now, I rejected the edits & then disambiguated the artist. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:23, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::: OK. I see you disambig'd them in the opposite fashion. Last hour I submitted one publication of the 1912 ''Alice in Wonderland'' as by Frank Adams. I now know that he is the illustrator of ''The Wolf-Leader'' and many nursery rhymes, etc, but I am out of time. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:36, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::::I flipped them. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:31, 7 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::::: Thanks <br />
1. {{a|Frank Adams}}, British illustrator of nursery picture book mainly, is clear from the library records i consulted and some crucial images available online. AuthorUpdate [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3644945 submission 3644945] is experimental in format regarding how to use the {BREAK} command; I don't know whether that can be previewed when used correctly.<br><br />
: That update has been approved and I see that I did use {BREAK} adequately, as double-braces inline. ... (continued below)<br />
His Top 20 works/titles at WorldCat appear to be 15 nursery picture books, ''The Compleat Angler'' and ''Alice'', and three other books for adults including ''The Wolf-Leader'' (and two non-genre). Those three are not in the British Library catalogue as by "Frank Adams, 1871-1944" but the others are, and signatures show that this Frank Adams is the same one who provided a few illustrations for ''Wolf-Leader'' (and ''Barbara''). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:25, 7 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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2. {{a|Frank Adams (I)}}, creator of two cartoons published in 1950s pulp magazines, I did suppose on Tuesday to be the American WWII cartoonist 1914-1987 with page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Adams_%28artist%29 at English Wikipedia]. (I don't say "covered" at Wikipedia and know that that page may be deleted.) I have more data on this Frank Adams but I don't know that any should be used. Perhaps only indicated in a Note.<br><br />
: Only occasionally during the last few months I continue to add content to Author and Bio space in the ISFDB Wiki. Almost always that is update of an existing page, and commonly one that I created myself. (On instruction by Mhhutchins late in his tenure here, previously I used database Note fields where available, Magazine Publisher Series, but the Note field was not available for Author records.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:01, 7 December 2017 (EST) <br />
I did suppose the match with Frank Adams (I) on the evidence only that cartoonist and time-period are fitting; American nationality fits the 1952/1953 Ziff-Davis publications; and his [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56221 April 1953 ''Amazing Stories''] title "Lathrop, I'll have to ask you to stick with the rest of the party." (page 105) plus the following story title "The Invaders" (page 107) both broadly fit the war-time cartoonist reputation. Well, it seems likely to me that an American pulp published during the Korean War would run a cartoon by a known WWII cartoonist. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:44, 7 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:I found an example of his signature on-line and it is very similar to the cartoon. Without definitive proof though, I'm leery of bibliography by coincidence. That's an easy path to making errors. I added the info to the author notes for {{A|Frank Adams (I)|263053}}. As for the wiki, we are no longer using it for new notes. It is in the process of being phased out (very slowly, content is being copied from the wiki to the relevant notes field & the wiki pages deleted). Mhhutchins instructions would have been before that change. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:32, 8 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== The Adventures of a Brownie, As Told to My Child ==<br />
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Hi, I approved your submission for {{T|2191680|The Adventures of a Brownie, As Told to My Child}}, but the note contents you submitted look like they are a bit messed-up. Did you probably forget some text in the note (see the "Uncredited" there)? Also, the HTML formatting of the bullet points was not correct. The correct HTML structured is like this (the text goes ''behind'' the <nowiki><li></nowiki> element, not before):<br />
<source lang="html4strict"><br />
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<li>Item 1<br />
<li>Item 2<br />
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Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 15:13, 30 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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: I did mean the first item simply "Uncredited". I submitted a format fix. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:24, 30 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Project Gutenberg Links ==<br />
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When the Project Gutenberg text has been entered as publication, links to Project Gutenberg test do not belong at the title level as they specific to that single publication. The software will automatically link to Project Gutenberg on the publication page for the Project Gutenberg ebook. And when the Project Gutenberg text has not been entered as a publication, it is usually better to enter the Project Gutenberg ebook as a new publication than to add a title record level link. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:45, 26 February 2018 (EST)<br />
: Hi. Under what conditions does the software provide a link to any Project Gutenberg Ebook? For instance publication record P{{p|416826}} does not evidently provide a link even to Project Gutenberg itself (that is, I don't know where it is displayed) although the Catalog ID and Publisher fields are completed correctly. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:01, 26 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::It is on the left, under "Other Sites". --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:11, 27 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Cloning backward in time ==<br />
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Hello, when you clone a record "backward" in time as you did with <i>These Little Ones</i>, the contents appears on our cleanup report lest you change their dates (that are set the cloned book later date). It means that you have either to change the dates in the to-be-cloned record first (in one go) or to change the individual dates after cloning at title level (which is whay I had to do). Thanks for remembering this potential problem. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 02:01, 27 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Type changes ==<br />
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When changing the type of a title with a single publication, you can change it via the "Change Publication" screen together (as it is a single, it does not get greyed out) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:19, 30 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Hugh Haughton ==<br />
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You mentioned a WorldCat link in the moderator note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?116402 the edit of this guy] ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3776102 note visible here]) but there was no WorldCat link in the bunch? And all 3 you have added are confirmed - they work and they point where they should :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:09, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. That composition was nearly ready to submit when I discovered and visited the Wikipedia page. I copied that URL and replaced the WorldCat as Webpage 2 but neglected to change WorldCat to Wikipedia in the Note to Moderator. <br />
: (I add WorldCat links only to author pages where English[and some other] Wikipedia biography page is not available with that link at the foot, which sometimes but rarely pertains to a second WorldCat page for the same person. Not so for LCCN, as English[at least] Wikipedia routinely provides LCCN link without point of entry to the Online Catalog, which is the main point in my opinion.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:30, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: I never use WorldCat for authors so I was not looking for the link specifically - I pinged you only because I saw the note and decided to let you know that I do not see the referenced link - when editors write notes (which is always a great thing to do), I make sure I pay attention :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:42, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks for the notice. Please continue under similar circumstances. <br />
::: By policy I begin the line "[br]later" when it and all that follows is a note to self. Since "later check newspapers" is most common and commonly first stated, and I may have 1000 submissions such, I suppose that regular moderators know "later ..." is a note to myself (albeit commonly revealing grounds for more confidence in the submission, even at a glance). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:51, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::: Oh, I know - I tended to do the same :) Still do - even as a moderator - actually. I was coming over anyway to let you know that you are missing a link - so I checked the other 2 - otherwise I would have left it for you to figure out and check (as I usually do) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:55, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Hard Reject on Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass ==<br />
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I had to hard reject the edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325659 this title]. The earlier merge of the two introductions retained the ID of the title that was not originally in this one - so this submission became invalid. I think I got the idea so I reapplied the |1-4 numbers - can you just verify that I got the order correctly (the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3776036 submission] shows only the first 2 elements - the two novels - and I extrapolated from there). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. It's good. My purpose was only to mimic the Contents display by another editor at the 2010 ed./printing P{{p|325659}}. Sometimes I submit "2nd of 3", etc, in foolish sequence, or neglect to numeral one of them. Even if I were perfect clerically, I would need study to learn when a particular sequence is necessary. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:41, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Any merge can cause troubles (depending on which ID remains and which one is dropped - you have a 50/50 chance of a followup update being valid) - so if you are doing a sequence that will contain a merge, either send the Merge first and wait for it to be approved or do all BUT the merge and when all is done, submit the merge. The sequence is good - it tells a moderator that you are working on it so they do not need to jump and do the next steps (and it also tells them to look for the rest of the sequence). Other actions that can cause issues: A date/name change of a story/essay/another element via "Publication Edit" - if someone clones/adds publication (thus making these unavailable for edit from the pub edit page), the edit is also erroring. Any deletes will also cause issues. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:46, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There ==<br />
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Why are you trying to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3777027 clone another publication] and not just edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?529935 this one]? What are the differences between the two? It needs a name change from what I can see (title page vs cover) but it seems to be the same book? Am I missing something? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:26, 10 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: I didn't know the two print publications were in the database when I submitted that, only the ebook. <br />
: Please hold the submission. For now I'll fix the ebook instead and leave both print ISBn 978-0-14-310762-0 publications in the database for discussion. I don't know the database model well enough, and don't trust its execution well enough anyway, to judge whether or not those two are "the same book". So ISBn 978-0-14-310762-0 is in the database three times for now, two approved and available in publication view and others, one on hold. <br />
: At Community Portal the heading will be some something like "Penguin Books and Penguin Books (US), for instance". <br />
: P.S. Only now I discover the advanced publication search by external identifier, eg [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/external_id_search_results.cgi?ID_TYPE=1&ID_VALUE=B00OQS4C8S ASIN B00OQS4C8S]. It needs several steps so I won't routinely use it in Note to Moderator but it's good to have.<br />
: --Pwendt 14:31, [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:51, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Both the book you are trying to submit and the one we have say Penguin Books (US) so I am not entirely sure what you mean. It is the same ISBN, the same format, the same dates an it is not verified - no reason to believe it is a different book. I can accept yours and delete the one we have but in the future, try to search by ISBN before adding (that would have found the tp) :) Let me know if you want me to proceed with approving and deleting the duplicate. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:52, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::: Our two records of print ISBn 978-0-14-310762-0 publications say "Penguin Books" and "Penguin Books (US)", whose meaning I will pursue. I prefer those two records remain, temporarily. I submitted the Charlie Lovett edition-edition (Penguin Classics Deluxe Edition) in its digital edition-format if you know what I mean. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::: One is the US edition, one is the UK edition. They are ok. This is standard handling for the publishers that are publishing on both sides of the ocean. The issue here is the THIRD one you are trying to add, that will be an exact copy to the already existing US one. Which will end up with 2 US and 1 UK edition of the ISBN and the two US ones are exactly the same. Thus one needs to go. Yours have more details so I can accept it and delete the existing US one - so we will still have 2 at the end. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:35, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I've approved yours, deleted the duplicate. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:38, 20 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: OK. Having returned from a very long weekend I continue work in progress on the Lovett, Haughton, and Green omnibus eds. of Alice. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:31, 24 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== About your test ==<br />
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<nowiki>{{LCCN|n79072843}}</nowiki> works in the regular notes; it does not work in the moderator notes :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:00, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}}<br />
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== Three Gothic Novels ==<br />
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Did you mean to add "1 belated hit 2018-04-26 in US newspapers:" in the NOTES of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?224681 this one]? If so - can you add more notes clarifying what exactly that means because it reads like gibberish to me and it does not connect to the rest of the notes in any way or form :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:20, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: ("belated" was inspired --or uninspired obscurity as you say-- for the late newspaper date; in notice on the retired verifier's talk page [[User talk:Swfritter#Three Gothic Novels]], I used boldface emphasis to the same effect<br />
: Yes, I'll do that--tomorrow unless I must forego the university library until Saturday (*). It turns out that I do hit the book as "Three Gothic Novels" in 1966 newspapers --which I missed in "Castle of Otranto" search yesterday-- so I will rewrite the offending note. But I must depart.<br />
:(*) I save links from successful search such as this but they operate only when I am again at the university library, benefiting from a building subscription to ProQuest Historical Newspapers. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:17, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: And I'll rearrange/format Gutenberg 696 P{{p|338196}} --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:18, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: {{Done}}. And done. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:06, 28 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Heartsease ==<br />
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This kind of details belong to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558917 proper pub note], not just the moderator ones. So I moved them in. Feel free to rewrite. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:45, 30 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}}<br />
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== Source ==<br />
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Any source that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3805737 this] does not actually have a cover from Stacey? Just because WorldCat says that there are 6 illustrations, that does not mean that he did not do the cover as well. Or am I missing something here? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
: The record gives no other source. Probably someone cut and paste hastily to the cover art field; evidently careless as interior art not entered. As I depart. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:42, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: OK then. I was also looking around and cannot find the attribution. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:38, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}}<br />
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== The Beast of Bradhurst Avenue ==<br />
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Hey, thanks a lot for digging through ProQuest for me; I found all the chapters and created serial records for them, so it's all finished now. Best, --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 16:08, 11 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Marianne Dreams ==<br />
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Can you please revise this statement: "Price from capsule in "Briefing"" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?672161 Marianne Dreams]? I am not sure what capsule would mean here and/or what you meant but as it stands, it is unclear. I can just revise it to read "Price from the "Briefing" section" but if you meant something else, please go ahead and revise it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:10, 28 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Done (capsule review) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:46, 28 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Planned Project Scope Expansion ==<br />
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(I am leaving this note on the Talk pages of some of the more active editors to make sure that we are not missing anything. If you have been following [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this Rules and Standards discussion] and agree with the proposal, please ignore this note.)<br />
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As per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this discussion], [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] is about to be expanded to include:<br />
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* Speculative ''fiction'' webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues<br />
* Special speculative ''fiction'' issues of non-genre webzines<br />
* One time speculative ''fiction'' anthologies published on the Web<br />
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If you believe that this scope expansion may cause unforeseen and/or undesirable consequences, please share your thoughts on the Rules and Standards page. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:20, 4 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Emer's Ghost ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Both the cover and OCLC show the author of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3895892 this one] as Sefton and not Waddell. Do you have access to a title page that shows the book credited to Waddell directly? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:21, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
: No, Sefton. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:37, 8 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
: I replaced that submission. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:49, 8 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Ben Shecter ==<br />
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I have approved the addition of Ben Shecter's biographical information and clarified the nature of his theater/film/etc work. I also replaced the link to [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.arts.books.childrens/dGQ9ripbaHA/58gS2iUsWfIJ this Usenet post] with a link to the [http://carriehaddadgallery.com/index.cfm?method=Artist.ArtistDetail&ArtistID=54F43589-19DB-5802-E040D9D389DBFB09 source of Lenona's information]. She posts a lot of useful biobibliographical sketches on Usenet, but her information comes from other sources, which she always credits. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:53, 1 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks. I found the Caddad Gallery page and followed some other links that Lenona provided but I didn't notice any source for "Happy 80th", and thus for the implied birthdate 1935-04-28. Else I would, or should and might, have entered a source URL or two as necessary.<br />
: Concerning the other procedure, Shecter and mis-spelled Shechter, I continue at [[User talk:Ahasuerus#Ben Shecter, Author merge]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:38, 1 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''A Sensational Trance'' ==<br />
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I accepted your edit to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558644 A Sensational Trance], but could you please look again at the note as it appears incomplete. I'm particularly puzzled by "8vo.", and the final word '"Downey' Thanks for checking. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 18:33, 11 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
: done by phone. --Pwendt<br />
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:: Further discussion [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Pwendt#A_Sensational_Trance_-_round_2 below]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:11, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Miss Pickerell and the Weather Satellite'' ==<br />
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I have approved the addition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?678124 this record] and edited the notes data for readability. Hopefully nothing got lost in the process :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:53, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks for your attention. For all three mid-Saturday submissions with that Note to Moderator, "continue on return to library, look for another image", I anticipated that the incomplete submissions would be approved sometime Sunday at latest; I would check against the books, augment or correct as necessary, and format in my usual style, as for the one (of four Miss Pickerell in the Ace series) that is from secondary sources only [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3929957].<br />
: The latter is the only one of all Miss Pickerell in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?80 Archway / Pocket Books] edition (#1 to #12? or more?) for which Amazon US --on that product page defined by ISBN -- provides a cover image of the US issue, apparently 1st printing.<br />
: Now I won't be able to get back to the library copy this fortnight (August vacation looms). I haven't adjusted to the long submission queue, and perhaps I won't need to adjust, if it turns out that other people's August vacation is the primary cause. (In the long shadow of the queue, however, I spent my Sunday time reading wiki pages rather than working here. I was dismayed to learn that Hauck has departed, where I had supposed my own "graduation" to less meticulous or less experienced moderators--supposed that he was continuing to mentor the sophomore class, if you know what I mean.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:29, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: The vacation season is likely one part of the problem since a number of our moderators have been on vacation over the last few weeks. Another part -- and I can only speak for myself here -- is that I find your submissions time-consuming to process, so they tend to stay in the queue longer than other submissions. Your notes are usually well-researched and informative, but they can be hard to parse. Much of the time I am not even sure what they are supposed to mean, so I can't edit them for readability. I realize that you are doing your best and I greatly appreciate the work that you do. Unfortunately, I don't really know how we could improve the process :-( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:49, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''A Sensational Trance'' - round 2 ==<br />
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I have approved your changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558644 this publication] and edited notes for clarity and readability. Could you please clarify "(That is, Crown octavo.)"? Does it mean that "crown 8vo." stands for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavo the Crown octavo book size], i.e. 7½" by 5" (190 mm x 126 mm)? If so, we will want to spell it out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:08, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Little Green Man ==<br />
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Thanks for finding the problem with the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1328301 ''The Little Green Man'']! I am not sure how we ended up with "M'''e'''n" instead of "M'''a'''n", but it was definitely an error. I have checked my copy of Reginald3 and he also says "Man". I have removed all references to the "Men" version.<br />
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I have approved and reorganized your notes for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362069 first edition]. I have a few questions:<br />
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* What does "intended" mean in this context?<br />
* When you write that "The listings in ''Manchester Guardian'' and ''The Academy'' note "[This day.", what exactly does it refer to? Is it the name of the section where the listings appeared?<br />
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Also, I have created a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?678185 new publication record] for the cheaper (3/6) edition and moved the second half of the Notes field there. Hopefully everything looks OK. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:52, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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: It isn't all OK but I don't now have time for any tweaks to the database, nor for whatever reply is appropriate here. It will wait. Thanks for your efforts. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:52, 15 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Tales from Eternity'' publisher ==<br />
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FYI, I found [https://books.google.com/books?id=bJTfAAAAMAAJ&q=tales+from+eternity+allen+unwin&dq=tales+from+eternity+allen+unwin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSqf7etKDeAhVhRN8KHeLfCOEQ6AEITDAF Google Books] shows a snippet with the copyright confirming "George Allen & Unwin Ltd." --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 21:15, 24 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Time Garden ==<br />
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Hello, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394924 this one] is both PV verified and OCLC verified by an active editor(Chavey). Can you drop them a note about the changes you are making (I approved them as they are obvious but as it is a verified book, let's make sure we are not missing something? The old OCLC record was 35301743 (in case we need to restore it). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:22, 16 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Merging Interviews ==<br />
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As long as the names match, the duplicate finder does find them (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_title_dups.cgi?1506768 this]. Are these two the same? If there are more of these, you can use Advanced Search to get them into a mergeable position (or just list them here and I will merge). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:45, 7 December 2018 (EST)<br />
: No others. In effect I merged the other "Go Fish" titles manually, import and remove, which was booked once as ESSAY and once as INTERVIEW. I had expected Aggressive mode to identify the ESSAY and INTERVIEW as author [Natalie Babbitt] duplicates, with identical title and author = interviewee, but it didn't.<br />
: Evidently I have not noticed that Advanced Search enables selection by checkbox. That will be useful sometimes. Thanks.<br />
: (I avoid using the uncredited Author page, and some undated and unknown searches.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:39, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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: Oh, I recall too expecting that last the two listings at {{a|Alexander Gordon Smith}} would be picked up as author duplicates in Aggressive mode. I quote them, just in case someone else completes the merge:<br />
: Interviews with This Author<br />
:* Go Fish: Questions for the Author: Alexander Gordon Smith (unknown) by uncredited<br />
:* Go Fish: Questions for the Author: Alexander Gordon Smith (2012) by uncredited <br />
: Now I suppose that that fails because he is not the "Author" of the interviews, although they are cleverly appended to his "Author" summary bibliography. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:57, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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:: Interviews are special - they have two authors connected to them. This is why they are not that easily mergeable with other types - so they are treated differently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:21, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Jules Verne ==<br />
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Based on your user page, we may have some overlap in our research. You seem to be focused on the Earth to the Moon volumes (currently) in much detail. My initial goal was simply wanting to enter some Jules Verne books I had. I realized the existing entries did not generally differentiate the translations, so I set out to put the first publication of each in, so mine could be in the right place. Then I realized that most of the French versions weren't there and the English would be the first of any publication. So I dug out the first French publications and realized I couldn't enter them, they were in serial form. So that went in the notes and I found the earliest French editions. That's all done so now I'm going through the titles putting in the first publication of each English translation. Then I'll be able to put my verifiable copies in. <br />
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I've run across a few resources that might be of interest. For example [http://www.julesverne.ca/jvbookSampsonLow.html this] history of the Sampson Low publishers. If you think it's worth comparing notes, it might be easier if you email me directly. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:59, 23 February 2019 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. That info is similar to that Library of Congress provides, citing "Brown, P.A.H. London publishers and printers, c. 1800-1870, c1982", which link[https://lccn.loc.gov/no2008108391] is part of my last hour [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4203099 submission 4203099]. I must be the author of most publisher pages that look like that one, with heavy use of blank lines to format and template {publisher} to link predecessor and successor publishers.<br />
: I am 15 minutes past closing time so let me tonight postpone all matters of ISFDB substance.<br />
: 1. Do I know where to email you? Are you the maintainer of julesverne.ca, compiled from what you have "run across", or is that one of the resources you have "run across"?<br />
: 2. I see that you use U Winnipeg and U Manitoba. Perhaps you have access to ProQuest Historical Newspapers there? That is what I use to search newspapers and magazines, largely from 100+ years ago so that the books are likely to be available at HathiTrust or elsewhere online. <br />
: Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:22, 23 February 2019 (EST)<br />
::Use the "E-mail this user" link in the toolbox on the left from my user page. Include an email address I can reply to, as I'm not sure ISFDB provides one. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:37, 23 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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An interesting source of information based on series publishers available at: [https://seriesofseries.owu.edu/ Ohio Wesleyan University]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:05, 4 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks, Doug. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:46, 4 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of the Supernatural: Six Romantic Stories ==<br />
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Hi, You [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4302413 change the book author] to James Platt, Junior, but leave all stories in the book a by James Platt? Father and son?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:17, 10 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Dirk, There is only one 19th century James Platt likely to be in our database, as far as I know (sometimes credited/named/reported as Junior, Jun., Jr., or the Younger). Yesterday I revised one title to create James Platt (I) {{a|294141}} because I suppose that Letter is contemporary to its 1982 publication. <br />
: As I depart today:<br />
: {{a|James Platt}} (undifferentiated) remains --to be credited as "James Platt, Junior" for the 1894 edition. Because we have latterday publications of the 1894 stories (and one or two for the entire collection) as by James Platt, and more must be expected, that name should be canonical, I understand. <br />
: Today I decided there is no good way to revise the 1894 publication record, so I created [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4302846 Pending New Publication Submission 4302846], which generates new COLLECTION titles and 6 new SHORTFICTION titles. And I prepared to make 6 variants by specifying the matching short story length.<br />
: '''The submission that you have on hold''' may be canceled. I suppose it should be retained for your reference, so I do not try "Cancel submission" --which may or may not be technically permitted during "Hold", as far as I know. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:53, 11 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Old-Fashioned Fairy Tales ==<br />
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Project Gutenberg works (like any other work) should be credited per their title page, not by how Project Gutenberg indexes the author. I have approved the entry of {{P|721813|Old-Fashioned Fairy Tales}}, but changed the author credit to Juliana Horatia Ewing. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:47, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: Project Gutenberg does index this author as JHGE [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/1803] [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/15592]. I don't rely on the index here (nor elsewhere), however, but on the header in which PG reports <br />
Title: Old-Fashioned Fairy Tales<br />
Author: Juliana Horatia Gatty Ewing<br />
Release Date: April 9, 2005 [eBook #15592]<br />
: Before going further here, do you mean to rely on PG representation of the title page of its source text? Is that interpretation somewhere stated at ISFDB.org? It implies that publisher, publication date, and catalog ID are unstated in all PG ebooks, afaik. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:35, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::We credit '''authors''' per the title page. We don't credit per a header, copyright page, or other front material. We credit per the title page. That applies for all publications. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:01, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks but no thanks. The question is whether we have some consensus to consider Gutenberg representation of the original title page as title page of the ebook. It seems akin to the facsimile of original publisher's title page that many reissues contain.<br />
::: We have many publication records that take Author, Title, Date, and publisher all from the top lines of the Project Gutenberg publication. So I am asking whether we have a consensus. (I know of course that both interpretations are commonly followed.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:23, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::ISFDB standards are straight forward. We credit per the title page. Whether the title page is a facsimile or a transcription is irrelevant. Ebooks (including Project Gutenberg's) have a clear title page and that is what is used. The top lines of the file are clearly not a title page. Some Project Gutenberg publications (typically older ones, but can also happen with newer ones) do not have a title page in which case the header is all we can go by. But when there is a title page, it is to be used. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:04, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hill-Man and the Housewife / The Hill-man and the House-wife / The Hillman and the Housewife ==<br />
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Hi, I need a lot of more reasons to unvariant these titles as that you are presently giving -none.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:08, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
: As I said, our "one hyphen" canonical title happens to appear in one 2018 publication. The title with no hyphens appears in the undated first collection (1882) and in the collection as first half of undated Works (US), Vol III; [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uc2.ark:/13960/t6j09x02z?urlappend=%3Bseq=22 page 8, 1st series].<br />
: The "one hyphen" 2018 title cannot be relegated to variant in one operation, iiuc; all of its own variants must be undone first. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:35, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Dirk, Maybe you can simply do this essentially "at once". There three edits needed to change the canonical title from one-hyphen to no-hyphen, iiuc.<br />
::* undo no-hyphen as variant of one-hyphen "The Hill-Man and the Housewife"<br />
::* make two-hyphen a variant of no-hyphen, rather than a variant of one-hyphen<br />
::* make one-hyphen a variant of no-hyphen<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:38, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: That rearrangement of canonical/variant relations is complete. The steps listed above make it an overnight (or two) process for me. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:52, 8 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== She and Allan ==<br />
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One of the OCLC numbers you are adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4386462 here] says 19 cm, the other one 22 cm. Which is a substantial difference (and usually indicates book club vs mass edition in some cases). Are you sure these are for the same book? If so, we need to note the difference... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:16, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: I don't yet know much --and nothing about what Library and Archives Canada as an online resource. Two McClelland & Stewart editions are not expected but, yes, let's hold this one. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:46, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: I do not know the publisher (much) but the big difference in size bothers me - it may be a typo from OCLC (a note will fix that) - but it also may be two editions for some reason (we've seen weirder). If you have time (and nothing better to do), maybe look through other books from the same publisher around that time and compare sizes and so on? I will keep it on hold - feel free to cancel it when/if you need to edit or ping me when you have more details. I will also see if I can dig something out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::: OK, I approved it for now (because the rest of the information was good) but pulled out OCLC 1032950781. Once we figure out that size difference, we can readd it (or not). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:18, 5 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Editing notes and so on ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4392442 this one]. The Tuck verifier is active. So instead of saying "Tuck probably reports", ask them about it so we can actually have the data properly noted. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:46, 8 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: OK. There is no reason to note such variant reports, of secondary sources that are known to be unreliable, or to adopt other conventions reliably, so I will raise the general questions about Tuck; with some of the Macdonald Illustrated Edition for illustration. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:43, 8 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Cuckoo Clock and The Tapestry Room ==<br />
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You will need to redo [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4405200 the import] - it got damaged. I approved the merge of the imterior arts you submitted before that so I suspect that you were trying to import here that ID (and it went away). Sorry -- let me know if you need any assistance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:47, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}} --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:53, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Lagerlöf and others ==<br />
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Please don't forget that the DB started as an English only DB and then got the other languages almost grandfathered (the ones that do not use standard Latin-1 kicking and screaming) :) This is why we miss a lot of non-English books - including the omnibus of Selma Lagerlöf that you mentioned. And while in some languages we have editors that had made a lot of progress in adding books, Swedish is not one of them. If you can find that original publication somewhere, it will be good to have :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:25, 18 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Famous Stories Every Child Should Know ==<br />
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I put your submission for the INTERIORART in this pub on hold. When you refer to an on-line source like you do here, you should make that source reachable from the note by using the following: <a href="here you put the URL for the reference">here you put the name of the source</a>. The result will be a blue copy of the name of the source; when a user clicks on it, he will jump to the reference. You can use this method for items in the ISFDB or outside it. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:55, 1 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: OK. Now I import of that INTERIORART to our record of the 1907 1st ed., which provides a reference for the Note closing, "See that publication record." I expect to rewrite the Note entirely based on a thorough check of library records for early editions. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:15, 2 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::O.K., approved. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:15, 2 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== More Fairy Stories Every Child Should Know ==<br />
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We ended up with two of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_pub_dups.cgi?740648 these]. Are you changing something in of them or do I need to delete one of them? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:53, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: We need to delete one. I repaired HTML and rearranged after viewing the submission. Now I submit DeletePub for the earlier publication. Then its ANTHOLOGY Title may be deleted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:10, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: I was sure I saw something different but then looked again and decided to come ask :) Deleted and the old title was also taken care of. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:20, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Omnibus of only stories ==<br />
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Technically, unless you want to import the Collection titles as well, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?565494 this] should be a collection even if its content was published in a few collections before. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:07, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Probably I will use the short titles of the two collections (only one of which happens to be our canonical title now), where online view of the interior is lacking (maybe not to be determined today). It's a slow process to change Type, with submissions not accepted until others are approved, beyond the usual lags. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:25, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: If you see a moderator around, you can always just explain to them what you are trying to do and they can do the change for you much quicker. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:44, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== A trilogy in five parts ==<br />
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Or in your case "a pentalogy in 6", right? :) Made me smile (in case you do not recognize the reference in the title here, let me know).:) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:08, 30 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Dashes, hyphens and the like ==<br />
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— and - are treated differently in the DB so [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4456641 these] will be variants. Unless you can confirm that they use the first in both place. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:54, 2 November 2019 (EDT)<br />
: I submitted MakeVariant in place of TitleMerge and a simple note our source for the spaced hyphen. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:11, 2 November 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Second Bedside Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Did you mean to add all of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296104 this] in the notes or was part of it for the moderator note? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:14, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: "all of this"<br />
: I am able to add the LC record, evidently the source for the one linked at WorldCat, and improve the wording and format. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:32, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Sorry - I meant some of the wording in the note. The revised version reads a lot more like a permanent note so thanks for fixing it :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:56, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Tales of Laughter: A Third Fairy Book ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you confirm that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2638560 Wee Robin's Yule-Song] is indeed in Scots and not in English? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:23, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, Annie<br />
: I cannot. For the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?56191 Library of Fairy Literature], I added or completed most of the publications (early eds. and Gutenberg certainly), and associated author/illustrator, publisher, series Notes. No Contents at all. Only the headers of the COLLECTION notes, which I hope(d) to layout with a break as for volume 1 The Fairy Ring T{{t|2628264}}.<br />
: The work on Contents (as some other fairy/folk tale anth/collections) is by Loviatar with coaching by Dirk J Broer (and slightly me) [[User talk:Loviatar#The Fairy Ring]] (now two sections).<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:47, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: So why is it set to Scots? Any idea? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:02, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: None. No advice except check COLLECTION Titles as well as fiction/poem/essay Titles for anything Loviatar may have noted. Nor do I know how far the "Work in progress" has progressed toward "done". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:13, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: P.S. My understanding is that L hopes to confirm or correct the Publisher Notes that are linked in the second bullet point of each COLLECTION Note, as for Tales of Laughter [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t8v980z3w&view=2up&seq=8 Publisher Note 3]; and to identify "all" not so noted by the publishers. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:19, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Dead Love ==<br />
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When you are merging to eliminate the name as in this case, make sure you select an empty parent at the bottom - otherwise you leave a variant pointing to itself and a second edit is needed to remove the loop. :) I did that for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1102665 this one]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:53, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Same for the other 2 :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:54, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: OK. I'll try to remember that. Somehow we broke the variant relation for the one story with a second pseudonym in the database, title T{{t|2498523}} (restoration submitted). Perhaps that merge preserved the low-number ID. I don't recall any warning that the ID potentially to be vacated is in use elsewhere. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:03, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: Oops. Missed that somehow - it was a circle when I broke it (I think). There is no warning because the system assumes you know what you are doing. Maybe we need one for the case where a merge will result in the ID remaining a variant of itself but just in the meantime, just keep an eye for that. If the parent remains one of the two IDs in the merge, it is the wrong ID and needs cleaning; if it is an independent one, you can leave it in place. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:53, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Dream Weavers: Short Stories by the Nineteenth-Century Pre-Raphaelite Poet-Painters ==<br />
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Changed the link and the text [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1306291 here] - pointing to the painting makes more sense than pointing to the page of the myth ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:17, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. I was redirected from "Hylas and the Nymphs" to "Hylas", and didn't notice the bluelink painting title. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:37, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Second set of eyes and all that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:55, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: (edit conflict!) ''Dream Weavers'' stories generally have adequate title notes. I may be done with that anthology, and back to ''Eerie Book'' stories, almost all identified. But done for today as it's Friday and my newspapers subscription shuts its doors. Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:57, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Popular Romances of the West of England ==<br />
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This is a scan of the [https://archive.org/details/popularromanceso00huntuoft 1908] edition of this work, a newer one than [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281664 the 1865 first edition]. Here's a scan of [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32435023303233&view=1up&seq=9 volume 1 (first edition)] and [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044018072785&view=1up&seq=11 volume 2 (first edition)]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:31, 27 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: HI. I have notes on the source anthologies/collections for the 1898 ''Eerie Book'' anthology stories, and I plan to improve some of our Title and Publication records for those sources next week (as well as maybe "adjust" the story title records). Until then I don't have the screen size to look at online digital copies efficiently--and I don't have any historical newspapers subscription at all. <br />
: (on vacation for the US Thanksgiving holiday) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:29, 27 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Ferdinando Eboli ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to "Ferdinando Eboli". That story appears in a verified pub. As such, please coordinate with the approver (Rtrace). I would note that,, by ISFDB standards, ": A Novel" is not included on pub titles when given in the pub. ": A Tale" could be considered similarly, but I'll leave that up to the verifier. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:56, 16 December 2019 (EST)<br />
: That's OK. I did notify Rtrace, as "(pending approval)", and he may take approval for granted in this case. Evidently he is the editor responsible for adding variant story title "Ferdinando Eboli: A Tale" to the database for this work: {{t|98521}}, in its unique publication 1976 under the author's canonical name. I expect he will agree if/when I return to the point, which I postpone. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:14, 17 December 2019 (EST)<br />
: (growing list) Matters to re/raise with Rtrace concerning ''The Keepsake'' vols PV by reference to Google Books.<br />
: [1] publication date; [2] formats, prices; [3] Ferdinando Eboli subtitle p195; [4] Waverly => Waverley thruout; [5] Laird's Jock in the database, shd it be listed here? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:30, 17 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:58, 19 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Eerie Book ==<br />
: ''concerning 1898 anthology The Eerie Book, T{{t|1337014}}; [[User talk:Anniemod#The Eerie Book]] (2019-11)''<br />
Hello, <br />
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I just updated the Eerie Book reprint. There was only 1 correction: "The Mysterious Horseman (excerpt)" is on page 127 and not 131 as TSI apparently reports. That also accounts for the 1 page story that seemed longer here. All stories notes updated as well so we are all good. And based on that, it does seem like a fascimile quite honestly - all the notes for the old edition apply to the new one... Happy New Year! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:05, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
: Happy New Year. It's no facsimile as the page numbers differ. <br />
: All things considered I infer that the entire book has been re-set to accommodate the title leaf as pp. 1/2 and Contents/Acknowledgments leaf as pp. 3/4. Right? <br />
: And you have reported the page numbers listed in the Contents, which are those of the half-title pages (unnumbered, one-side leaves included in the pagination) usually two leaves before the beginnings of the stories. You have three stories not preceded by illustrations (pp. 125, 129, 137, 155) and two illustrations (probably unnumbered one-side leaves) that face story text (pp. 131, 149). Is that right? <br />
: "Each story starts with a title page (with a short title), most stories then have a picture page (with <s>2 empty pages</s> [must be one empty page -Pwendt 0104; ok -0105] between the title page and the image and then the image and the actual title) and then a title on top of each of the stories."<br />
: If I understand correctly, you have "The Masque" beginning on numbered page 173, and it faces the "actual title" printed on the back of the illustration leaf (unnumbered page 172) facing the beginning of the story text. Contrast [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uc2.ark:/13960/t23b5ww3g?urlappend=%3Bseq=176 1898, pp. 170-71 (view at HathiTrust)]. Is your page 173 identical to 1898 page 171 except for the page number? Is the opposite page another story-title page? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:56, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:: All stories start on odd pages, Title pages and images are also always on odd pages. It is academic at this point if it is a facsimile or not. And the note is correct - there are two empty pages between the original title page of the story and the story itself except in the cases where there are no illustrations - the back of the title page and the back of the illustration page are always empty. Anyway - was just letting you know that the notes are now updated on all stories. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:03, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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:: PS: and yes, The text of The Masque starts on page 173 after having an illustration on page 171 and a title page on 169. Pages 170 and 172 are empty - thus the note for 2 empty pages when there is an illustration. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
::: OK, I understand now what you mean by "actual title"; that's the heading at the top of the page where the story begins. And 2 empty pages: one between the title page and the image and one between the image and the actual title.<br />
::: Does the book anywhere note 15 full-page illustrations (as the J. Shiells 1898 title page credits to WBM)?<br />
::: P.S. There are only 14 in the books, with a unique 15th b/w illustration on front cover(1898) or jacket(1981). I had supposed the U California print copy for 1898 images at HathiTrust to have been vandalized, but I now suppose not, and I plan later to complete the 1898 record incorporating that supposition. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:00, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: I've listed the 14 pages where the internal illustrations are and none of them matches the one on the cover. I looked for a 15th based on the old page but seems like it is indeed the cover. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:06, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Night Side of Nature; or, Ghosts and Ghost Seers ==<br />
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Hi, as we have variants of this title, we have just as many variants of the introduction title and of the conclusion title as these should match the title of the publication in which they are printed. Please do not try to simplify all to one title. And why did we have a canonical with date 1848, and was the 1848 edition left out of that?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:00, 16 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Concerning 5 MakeVariant for the work, which you aptly rejected, thanks for catching that. Probably I mixed up the two title ID numbers. It was my purpose to change every one FROM child of our probably spurious parent title TO child of our certainly correct 1st ed. title. I opened the 5 title records and went through the motions of copy-paste the correct title ID into every one; also the Note to Moderator into every one. But I messed up somewhere. <br />
: How can you ask me why we have a probably-spurious canonical title?<br />
: The actual 1848 edition was left out of that set of relationships because I submitted its removal this afternoon, and a few hours later [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4577097 moderator Biomassbob approved]. The Note to Moderator was clear enough. Except for special cases such as this one, however --last hour when (I suppose) you executed 5/6 of the fix as self-moderator-- its rare that any moderator will go further.<br />
: As a contributor I could not submit more than the single un-merge at once; not submit any new MakeVariant. No further until approval. And then at next stage I could submit only 5/6 of the new MakeVariant. (You rejected those 5 correctly, and executed 4 of them yourself (probably). I submitted the last one, this time correctly, moments ago.<br />
: Good night. I am 2 min overtime. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:03, 16 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: Everything should look alright now. I combined the two 1850 records (one the original, the other te Gutenberg facsimile) and added a link to the 1850 Redfield edition for that publication -not in the least to explain the hyphen that suddenly crept up in that publication -and which was long present in its facsimile. I also made both German introductions a variant of the original English one, etc. Please have a look.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:55, 16 February 2020 (EST)<br />
: I agree from memory: German Lang title records name translator so they are transl of Crowe essays presumably .not new essays for German Lang eds.<br />
: today Monday is USA national holiday and I am here without reasonable screen or keyboard today. So my look may be tuesday. --(from phone without tilde)<br />
::: For the 1850 US ed. P{{p|745806}}, it appears that you corrected the user Chavey titles of COLLECTION and all three ESSAY by merger with the corresponding titles that I created for the Gutenberg edition. And in the publication title you inserted one hyphen. I will submit PubUpdate that aligns the publication and collection titles completely {hyphen semicolon comma hyphen} ''and'' adds a note item, This is the source edition for Project Gutenberg Ebook #[linked]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:55, 18 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Our record of the 1st US ed., PV Chavey, continued: Some merge or variant of 1850 shortfiction titles that originate with this record have been executed by other editors this week. Three remain and I now submit their merge with (or submergence to) the correct titles. (drafted 3 hrs ago but they remain in the queue)--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:37, 19 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== [[Jules Verne Translations]] - wiki ==<br />
:: Related links: [[Talk:Jules Verne Translations]] ; [[User:Holmesd]] <br />
I noticed you'd made some updates to the wiki page. I've put it out in public domain for just such updates and appreciate your contributions. Can I make a request though - please don't bury comments in the source unless they pertain to what a wiki editor would want to see while editing that section. If the comment is related to a title, put it in the TITLE record, if it is a notation of work to be done - put it in your work list. I should put something on the philosophy and mechanics in the Discussion page. I've a few odd problems to sort out (e.g. Michel Verne is author but Jules Verne is listed) then I plan to go back through all the entries in the wiki to see if they are still synched to the database and note who owns copies of editions under unspecified translations. <br />
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By the way, the Daniels edition is documented [http://www.julesverne.ca/vernebooks/Sets/jvset-VincentParke.html here] and I hope to get all the Vincent editions done at some point. Having one as a model was as much as that tangent allowed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:24, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: It's good to see Edition d'Amiens documented with images. One of them is adequate to identify many of the books for which HathiTrust provodes interior views. <br />
:: Feel free to remove any hidden comments from that wiki code. I know how to relocate them in the page history if that is useful. <br />
:: I did have in mind that you would see any comments I would leave, as I hurried against deadline at my primary location Wed night, prior to five nights away. I will not contribute much before next Wed, only tidbits that are reasonably efficient without adequate screen display. [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:20, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
: By the way, Gutenberg may be a publisher, but their text should be sourced from an actual prior publication. As such, I would not expect to see any reference to Gutenberg in the wiki page, just as I would not expect to see a TITLE entry in ISFDB with only a Gutenberg entry or one as the earliest entry. Although I should probably use the word 'hope' rather than 'expect'. I'll probably end up making a list for Jules Verne and going back to expand these cases. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:24, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: In the next few days I will do the Gutenberg editions (6) of Baltimore Gun Club stories (3) in the sense of your optimistic hope. That is, complete Gutenberg ebook publication records and undertake parallel coverage of print editions, with ancillary updates.<br />
:: Maybe also Gutenberg editions of Captain Hatteras (3), and the Daniels ''Works of Jules Verne 3'' (contains Hatteras II and the two Moon stories, but does not appear to be a Gutenberg source edition). --21:55, 4 March 2020 (EST)<br />
::: You should probably check out [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Project_Gutenberg_titles_and_dates this] request on the Help forum before going too far with this. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:10, 4 March 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: Thanks. I'm broadly aware of the issues. Did read your yesterday update of publisher Project Gutenberg and considered here addressing the issue of your what you expect .ahem .and hope .optimistic .above.<br />
:::: I'm in USA EST so this is late for me. (no tilde here) --Pwendt 00:10 EST<br />
:::: PS I suspect that Gutenberg use of multiple source editions is not common .often .nowadays. --pwendt 00.19 EST<br />
::::: Sounds like a plan. I'll be verifying/fixing the wiki page vs. the actual titles (testing links, adding notes on number of 'parts', original sub-titles, verifying earliest pub dates). Looks like my biggest problem is all the Fiztroy editions I added. Once that's done (days to weeks) I'll make a list of verified pubs in 'unspecified' translations and get in touch with primary verifiers to see if they can/will update the translator / translation. Maybe then I'll try fixing the "Voyages extraordinaires" series. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:09, 5 March 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::: So you hope for every publication record to contain a statement that identifies the translator (including Unknown translator --and Unknown translation text, altho not for Gutenberg eds.)? ISFDB may be close to a consensus for that. I would support it, meaning that such statements will not be at the option of Primary Verifiers.<br />
:::::: Where the translator is not credited, I would support that any statement such as this, which identifies the grounds, must be accepted. "This is the translation by Doe, credited in its 1874 first publication [link to {p|}], relying on comparison of the first two paragraphs."<br />
:::::: Where Gutenberg does not contain a title page transcript, I have occasionally stated grounds for identifying a source edition, and I'll try to be more than occasional going forward. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:27, 5 March 2020 (EST)<br />
::::::: Ideally, for any PUB record for a translation, it should identify the translator (either because it's stated or by some other means). The associated TITLE record should repeat the information, and explain how to tell in the absence of a direct statement. Editors may feel that putting the PUB under the correct TITLE is sufficient but it does not allow someone to determine if a PUB has been correctly or erroneously placed - which is where I/we find ourselves today. There will always be a potential need for a 'bit-bucket' TITLE, for people entering PUBs without access to the necessary pages or information. Gutenberg PUBs should follow the same rule. My expectation for Gutenberg's never being the <u>oldest</u> PUB is simply because the older edition which it is based on should also be in the database. I have been cleaning up the Jules Verne as best I can, digging out first editions of known translations, standardizing the text in the TITLE entries, chasing down anomalies and creating a single huge cross-reference (wiki). To whatever extent you're willing to help sort this out, I thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:41, 5 March 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Deletion of container titles ==<br />
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Hi, better unmerge a title from a cannonical, than deleting a container title. If you change the publiction title and unmerge afterwards you have created the new title record with the new name automatically.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:44, 18 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
: So you suggest • PubUpdate that includes change of the title field, and let the Container title alone for now (Note to Moderator such as "later handle Title record"). • After the Pubdate is approved, Unmerge. • After the Unmerge is approved (which creates a Title record named for the unmerged Publication), MakeVariant.<br />
: Right?<br />
: And the Container may be a NOVEL such as ''The Paradise of the North'' (with subtitle sometimes).<br />
: For a CHAPBOOK (routinely, whose title should match the contained SHORTFICTION title), the second and third steps would be Unmerge (2) and MakeVariant (2), one each for the CHAPBOOK and SHORTFICTION. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:10, 18 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wonderful History of Peter Schlemihl ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?767507 This] does not look long enough to be a novel and we have quite a lot of editions of it as a short fiction: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1566992 here]. Which will make this whole book a collection (more than one story so cannot be a chapbook). Let me know if you want me to fix it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:46, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't recall whether a re-class from NOVEL has been executed in the database recently, as I have largely missed much of the last week as a contributor. I added several publs this season. I do call it a novella in all notes, most of which are now offline.<br />
: Please accept all submissions as CHAPBOOK --no COLLECTION nor ANTHOLOGY-- despite that most publs include some "short story" contents by the primary author and others --fictitious essays, etc, by the author and one or more editors. That is, same as dozens of editions currently indb.<br />
: I'm not sure what you can do about correction of a submitted NOVEL (and now another one) as CHAPBOOK containing novella. One priority for me is to lose little or no source code, as some is composed with pains online. <br />
: Another New Novel submission based on the same work is in the queue. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:11, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I fixed this one to a chapbook (for now... if the other poems/stories are technically inside, it is fine as a chapbook) :) I also approved and fixed the other one as well. See if anything else needs fixing. It may be a good idea to check the type when you are returning to a project :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:41, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks for the fix. Yes, it's best to check type when returning to a work, and also when adding a new work :--)<br />
::: What do you mean, "other poems/stories are technically inside"?<br />
::: (Truncate and re-try hours later.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:36, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Argh. I was thinking of another chapbook earlier that had poems inside of the main novella but listed on their own for indexing. Ignore that part. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:42, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wreck of the Titan ==<br />
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Please remember that we credit based on the title page and not based on the cover. Neither edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2713213 here] (the 2020 reprints) have the subtitle on their title page (Look inside is pretty helpful on that). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:22, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
: They do display the subtitle on the title page, as well as the front cover. The interior title page (sometimes called half-title, but it follows the title page and other front material). What you have in mind is that as a single-story collection, rather than a novel, we may (and frequently do) create CHAPBOOK and novella SHORTFICTION records with different titles.<br />
: While that is permitted, it's something that some moderators do not approve. Shall I resubmit PubUpdates with subtitle added to the publication and CHAPBOOK alone, and leave the novella without the subtitle? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:32, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: No, I am not. Please show me where do you see the subtitle on a title page - because ANY internal page I see misses it - particularly obvious on the kindle book. We go by title page, not by cover. This subtitle is not printed anywhere inside of the book - so it does not make it on our title. If you disagree, feel free to open a discussion on R&S. Please do not resubmit incorrect corrections. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:44, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Never mind - apparently I need coffee or a better mouse. I will fix them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:46, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A Story of the Stone Age ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4627292 this one] - is that story a novella or a novelette? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:16, 21 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Novella, as Project Gutenberg text of 22730 words inclg headings. ([http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27365/27365-h/27365-h.htm#Page_59 Ebook #27365], Tales of Space and Time, by Herbert George Wells) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:11, 21 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! I fixed the 2 novelettes and approved the variant and added an approximate length note :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:19, 21 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) After [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4627020 this edit], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57475 A Story of the Stone Age] now shows up on the cleanup report 'Title Dates after Publication Dates'. The note says it was first published under this title November 1927, but the first 6 publications (3x Tales of Space and Time and 3x The Short Stories of H. G. Wells) have publication dates before this date. Which is true? Thanks for checking. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 09:15, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks. Singular title "A Story", revised from "Stories", appears in the 1899-dated Doubleday & McClure collection ([https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015030719671?urlappend=%3Bseq=11 Contents list] viewed at HathiTrust). The Harper collection is 1900-dated.<br />
: (I haven't read the novella, or 5 stories, and don't know whether it/they should be considered a novella here, rather than a subcollection of 5 stories. Wells calls "A Story" and "A Story" (see Contents list), "two series of linked incidents" in Introduction to a 1911 collection.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:45, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::That means I can change the date to 1899-00-00 and add a note about first publication in the Doubleday & McClure collection? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:13, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Hi, Willem. I have submitted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4628649 TitleUpdate] as I would do it, with note "(best hold for Willem H.)" I am working on the collection, publications 1899/1900 and Project Gutenberg; my TitleUpdate notes, in advance, "Concerning the stated and actual publication dates, see the collection record." <br />
::: Let me tell you what I know. You tell me, or show me, how you would revise the variant-story-Title record on these points.<br />
::: From newspaper/magazine sources November/December 1899: Certainly the UK edition (Harper & Brothers, 1900-dated) was published before the US (Doubleday & McClure, 1899-dated). Early November. I plan to expand the two publication records as 1900 (Harper, with note of its November 1899 publication) and 1899-11 (D & McC, with note that the source for November is only a listing as received by 1899-11-30). <br />
::: There are multiple UK reviews in Saturday weeklies -11-11 and numerous reviews -11-11 to -12-02. (Known US reviews in daily newspapers -12-03 and -12-16.) Harper/UK advertisements of new/forthcoming books during October note this one "In the Press". 1899-11-04 advertisement notes "Ready This Week". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:05, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Almost exactly as I would have done it. Thanks! and approved. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:15, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Time Machine: An Invention: Authoritative Text, Backgrounds and Contexts, Criticism ==<br />
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Are you sure that the title page of the NOVEL (not the full book) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327847 here] is really " The Time Machine: An Invention: Authoritative Text, Backgrounds and Contexts, Criticism" and not "The Time Machine: An Invention: Authoritative Text" or "The Time Machine: An Invention" or "The Time Machine"? I have no trouble with the book title but in none of the Nortons I have, the text of the novel itself has the complete title of the book on its first/title page. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
: (I'm not sure what I submitted. I don't recall that I did change the title of the novel Title; I may have done so because I understand that our rules require it, so long as we book The Time Machine as a novel --and the publication as a novel, because it contains no other novel.)<br />
: On the contrary, I doubt that the work appears with the long title inside the book. However, for publications that we classify as novels, we require a match of publication title and work title. So a book like Annotated Wizard of Oz, Definitive Frankenstein, and so on --supposing we book the main work as a novel-- requires a new and matching NOVEL title record. We always ignore the interior title page, or heading, of the one work in the novel publication that we classify as a novel. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:35, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Not if the title page does not carry the matching title - and especially in cases with subtitles. We see that a lot more with NON-FICTION where US and UK tend to use different subtitles - so we have two ways to handle - subtitle-less title with pub titles having their subtitles or variants (I vastly prefer the first approach...). In this case, the "we record as on the title page" comes into play -- and because it will differ only by subtitle, it is not even a weird case. Annotated and Definitive are different because the title is not changed with a subtitle. Differences because of subtitles does not even register for the "different pub and title" report exactly for that reason. My gut feeling here is that we can drop the subtitle on the novel to match what is on the title page and we are good to go but let me think a bit more on that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:56, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Considering the reported Contents titles and the publisher description at Amazon, the novel should be presented in the book as "The Text of <i>The Time Machine</i>". More completely, pp ix-x should be in the arabic numbered pagespan (pages -1 and 0) with the preceding leaf a title page for the first main section of the book as "Authoritative Text". That is, in the format of our publication record (from the previous contributor, perhaps Fixer's assistant, modified by me):<br />
:: -3 — Authoritative Text [title page, first main section]<br />
:: -1 - A Note on the Text [essay by Arata under this heading]<br />
:: 1 - The Text of The Time Machine [novel by Wells begins under this heading, or following this interior title page for the novel]<br />
::: The cited WorldCat record [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/181139351 OCLC: 181139351] provides an ample Contents list, perhaps from the book rather than pre-publication. While the actual pagination shows that "A Note on the Text" and "The Text of ''The Time Machine''" are not clearly presented as the two sections in the first major section Authoritative Text, nevertheless "The Text of ''The Time Machine''" is my best guess for the interior name of the text of the novel. (Certainly I expected that any heading for the novel would include "An Invention", but I now guess that it doesn't.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:58, 30 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: I would just make it "The Time Machine" quite honestly. We skip things like "A Novel" and so on. "The Text of" goes into the same category for me. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:44, 1 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Stolen Bacillus and Other Incidents ==<br />
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Hello. Just checking that you presume March 1896, instead of the 1986 currently in the notes of your submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4636649 here]? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:40, 4 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Good catch. I will restrain the urge to say a lot and say only a little. That is one of the User:Bluesman notes. I skimmed but didn't read.<br />
: Maybe more than a little. The cited WorldCat record notes "... at end dated March 1896." I would have supposed that at least so much would have beeen transferred to ISFDB by copy-paste, but I would have supposed wrong. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:44, 4 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for confirming :) I've accepted, and leave it to you to update the notes as you see fit ! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:19, 4 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Picture of Dorian Gray - Gold Mark symbol? ==<br />
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Hello. I've put your submission on hold for a moment, as I've posted a question over at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#German_Gold_Mark_standard_symbol.3F Rules and Standards Discussion] on which symbol to use for the Gold Mark. Thanks for your patience, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:29, 5 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: OK. I will refrain from more such. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:03, 5 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. I'll proceed with ℳ1.60 and ℳ3.20; also replace M with ℳ where I see it in use for pre-war Tauchnitz Editions. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:04, 8 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== LCCN formats ==<br />
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Both the long (07004758) and the short (07-4758) formats lead to the same place on LCCN so we do not enforce the usage of one over the other. Swapping for the one you prefer (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?569774 here] may lead to someone swapping in the other direction -- so careful with that. I approved it because of all the other changes but heads up - especially in books with verifiers (as this one had none, I just approved it) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:06, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Ok. I know from Rtrace that he entered leading zeroes in field External IDs by mistake for a while, before learning that that field handles the hyphen just as manual hyperlinks do. But I don't know that of anyone else. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:17, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Red Room and Other Stories ==<br />
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I removed all without page numbers from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359854 here] as per your note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4659809 here] - it would have caused quite a lot of alerts in the cleanup reports if I had left it this way. While this worked, in case you need 22 items, adding that many and then cleaning may not be the best way to do things - importing only the correct essays and stories would have made more sense - and would have been less likely to have been forgotten downstream. I think it is all cleaned up now but take another look again anyway. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:27, 24 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Excerpts naming ==<br />
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I approved your rename of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?97318 this one] so I can catch the note (it was reject + edit or approve + edit so it did not matter). When the excerpt has its own name, we add the notes of what it is an excerpt of in the notes, not in the title. You can add them both in the title note and the publication note if you want to but the title of the record should be as close to "as is" as we can. We don't even add the word excerpt if the excerpt has its own name. Thanks![[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:17, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: "(excerpt)" alone should of course mean that the name is unchanged --although that sensible convention is commonly breached. The convention you note is either a new one or another that is commonly breached.<br />
: If I think clearly at this late hour, on the convention you describe all 447 titles that contain "(excerpt from" and all 18 that contain "(extract from" are violations. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:04, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: It is an old rule - how strict we enforce it is a different story... We generally do not add any embellishments/disambiguations to a title unless the title as printed is confusing or unclear - thus adding excerpt on the ones where the title match or adding the book name on Introductions and adding part x of y on serials. In the cases where the name is unique, we go by what the book says. <br />
:: Not necessarily for the 447+18 titles - if the title page of the story in the book has the words "excerpt of...", the record here will have it as well. A lot of books note this on the contents/title pages so chances are that a lot of these are actually in policy. But yes - some will be against the rules. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:29, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: If the story heading (or title page in some cases, Contents list in some cases) is "Magic Circle (excerpt)" or "Magic Mirror (abridged)" then our title should use capital E or A. <br />
:::: Technically - yes. But we have a lot of capitalization issues in the DB :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: You suggest to me another class of listings that is on my someday list (ask about this someday). Where a listing/heading is such as "''from'' Magic Circle" or "excerpt from ''Magic Circle''" or "Extract of 'Magic Circle'" --rather than appended parentheses-- do we now recommend "Magic Circle (excerpt)"? If so then story titles that begin with lowercase "from" are deprecated, to be replaced someday? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:14, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: If the book uses a specific name, we use that name. <br />
:::: The exact section from the help page relevant here is "If the excerpt has a different title that the work from which it is excerpted, use that title. Otherwise, use the title of the excerpted work, but add " (excerpt)" to the end; e.g. "A Feast for Crows (excerpt)".". So if the title in the book is "Extract of 'Magic Circle'", we use that. If the title in the book is 'Magic Circle', then we add (excerpt). Same rule as with Introductions - you add the book name only if the generic title is used. If the book has the title as "Introduction: Some Other Text", we keep the title as is. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: And yeah - technically a story name cannot start with a small letter... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Author language ==<br />
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When you find a pseudonym like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?312712 this one], it will be a good idea to also add the language to the pseudonym to match its parent. I did it here but thought I should mention it. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:33, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Yes you should. I wasn't aware that we complete any field but "Directory Entry". Was English entered by default as my default language? or the language of the work in which illustration as by Alvin-Correa was published? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:54, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep - if your default language is English and you save the page, English is assigned. In this case as you just did a pseudonym and never saved the page, it had no language - so I just added it. It was not wrongly set - it was just empty. A few years ago we went through figuring out the languages of every title in the DB -- we still have a lot of authors with no language - so I tend to try to set them when I land on one without. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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COVERART by this artist Henrique Alvim Corrêa {{a|205286}}:<br />
: For this artist we now have 8? COVERART --reporting use of 4? different 1906 interior illustrations on 21st century book covers-- now booked as variants of the original INTERIORART (multiple illustrations of 1906 French-language The War of the Worlds). If I recall correctly, that relation should be stated in COVERART notes, with one parent COVERART for each of the distinct original interior illustrations used on a cover, date of the earliest known use on a cover (regardless whether that earliest book is an edition of The War of the Worlds; one of the earliest uses is not).<br />
: If I understand correctly, it's necessary to break each of these variant relations as a first step (top half of "Make Variant Title"), only later as a second step (second Make Variant Title) create new parent COVERART as by Henrique Alvim Corrêa where appropriate. '''So I submit a batch of "break variant", as it were.'''<br />
: --probably done for the day, as it's late here and I need to eat. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:54, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I need to reread the first part of the question later because I am not sure I get it. Interiorart CAN be a parent if this is what was used first. <br />
:: However, you do not need to first break a variant when changing parents - the moment you submit a new makeVariant, it will replace the old value so you do not need to remove first. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Macmillan Company ==<br />
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Hello. I have some difficulty parsing your updated notes on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?27541 The Macmillan Company].<br />
*The notes now state, in part, ''June 1896 to mid-20th century''. This seems to contradict the note ''The Macmillan Company, ... now carried on by Macmillan & Co ... The Independent ... (1896-02-28)'' which to me means to say that The Macmillan Company as name ceased to exist in 1896, and thus, in fact, did '''not''' carry on till mid-20th century.<br />
: No, 'The MacMillan Company' is just now incorporated in New York. That report date is 1896-05-28 (in some New York publication 'The Independent', I am sure, not the famous newspaper 'The Independent'). I gloss over unknown daily details and suppose that The Macmillan Company, newly incorporated in New York probably sometime late May 1896, should be the publisher of record from June 1896.<br />
*The statement '' ...report macmillan and Co. for US editions published by the Macmillans to 1896.'' Does that mean to say that for US editions published by the Macmillans ''''after'''' 1896 have to be reported under Macmillan and Co.?<br />
Thanks for clarifying. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:53, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: No, it means through May 1896, glossing over the unknown daily details.<br />
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: I have considered a thorough re-write of publisher Notes for The Macmillan Company (US, from May/June 1896) and Macmillan and Co. (unitary to May/Jun 1896). The old notes by the one who shouts 'DO NOT MERGE' have become less relevant, and it may be possible to eliminate these two, for the two earlier of four Macmillan publisher names that have been used heavily. Your note makes me think the time to rewrite is now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:53, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I don't have much time Tuesdays. I expect I will submit no more, and maybe less, than continuation on the four works whose publication records you approved just before this publisher update. --<br />
::: Please do! You're much more knowledgeable than I in these things :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 00:58, 10 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: I will try improve the situation today; far short of completion, or what I had hoped in early June, because it's so complicated. Unfortunately there is no consistent practice such as: name New York first on the title page if the printer is in the United States.<br />
:::: As I also vowed to Rtrace, i need to get back to other incomplete work here, and withdraw from focus on century old Macmillan publications, after the Ides of June [today, if that's Greek to you]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:14, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of the Masque ==<br />
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In Your submitted collection [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?778464 here] there is a link "title page" that leads to nothing. Can You please make a correction? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 03:44, 14 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Submitted. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:50, 14 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: HI. I hope you, or we, are not generally using the new "Webpages" field to replace curated links in the Notes. Is this a one-time thing or a general effort? (I have also asked moderator Rtrace about this.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:35, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: It is still the same link though - it is not a generic link to the site. Or is your complaint that it is not embedded anymore? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:53, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: [1] It's a generic linkname "Webpages" and [1b] buried in the top part of the page (albeit blue ink helps). A meaningful linkname "Title page view" would be acceptable there, altho the note should then be revised, eg "title page" => "title page (above)"<br />
::: [2] It removes context --altho I don't know that would be done generally.<br />
::: (Commonly I do link the title page simply, as Zapp zapped here. Commonly the note is substantial, as title page: "Lawrence and Bullen". I don't know why I didn't say that here, as I was at work (not yet complete) unifying our use of publisher name "Lawrence & Bullen".) <br />
::: [0] It is a Permanent Link, a redirect to the babel address of the title page image. ISFDB should always use URL promoted as Permanent, eh? So we should always link hdl.handle.net rather than babel.hathitrust.org right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:12, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: '''P.S.''' Annie or Zapp. I submitted an update that restores and amplifies the Note; also does preserve the use of the Webpages field (with a Permanent Link as its URL value)--for those who may be harvesting or otherwise relying auto-maton-ically on its use. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:15, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: So we have a few different problems here:<br />
::::* The link was not just moved but replaced. That you will need to take up with Zapp - he is usually good at just moving links so not sure what happened here. Chances are that we have a Europe/US thing going on again and there was a problem with the other link from his side?<br />
::::* The notes left behind were not adjusted for the moved link -- that I am with you on -- if a link/ID is moved, the notes around it need to be adjusted so the flow and meaning of the notes is not lost. However - your notes, while very detailed, can be extremely hard to parse and understand sometimes (even when one is used to them) so chances are that people do not see some links as vital to the structure - especially when they were on their own on a line. Which may explain what happened here.<br />
:::: Part of why we have the webpages on publications now is to minimize the links (and heavy html) in notes and to make it easier for non-technical editors to edit - you may be comfortable with html but not everyone is. :) Some links will need to stay (because they illustrate a point and do not really work as a link for the whole publication) but a link to a version of the publication certainly belongs to the links (even if you point just to the title page, it is effectively a link to the complete text). <br />
:::: The Web Pages collect all kinds of links - the same way the ones on the author level does -- it can be full text reproductions, it can be sources which do not have external IDs, it can be the publisher page for the book, it can be anything else. If you have a proposal to allow each link to also have a "label", propose it over in the Community forum... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:30, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::: (after edit conflict) I believe the current practice is to move the URLs linking to data sources from the notes into the Webpages multifield, when encountered (without altering the notes' meaning, of course, and clearly referring to the webpages field - akin to what you're proposing ie ''see title page (above)'', or similar). I do use it myself because I find it very handy - all links in the same place, not cluttering the notes. The tooltip help also says ''URL of a web site about this publication'' (not the work), so I think the link -does- belong there. I agree that the update by Zapp could be more precise, but as far as I'm concerned, and apart from that minor hiccup, not wrong. Now because English is not my mother tongue I may have misunderstood, but to me al this means the webpages field could/should be used to include all kinds of links to information about this particular publication. If you feel we're moving in the wrong direction with this field, it might be best to perhaps start a discussion over at the Community Portal (or R&S) to clarify its use? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:35, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Ugh, should have read Annie's reply firts - it looks I'm rehashing her arguments... [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:36, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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* Title page is always so important here (officially) --and images of commonly important facing page and verso ("copyright page") routinely easy to access from a title page image-- that it's hard to understand why we would dump a link to that one into the potpourri.<br />
: You are looking at it in the reverse. It is not that we want to dump it in the mix of other links; it is that when it is inside of the notes, it is very very hard for non-technical editors to fix anything even when they have a correction. If you want the title pages to be specifially linked somewhere (when available), propose that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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* Are we now using the publication Webpages field for linking to Project Gutenberg Ebooks (either top pages, as in the link that is buried by default down in the left margin of Publication view, or HTML views directly)? I expect that that would be a great help to casual users of the site, as opposed to we accomplished editors in our occasional visits as users. No doubt Amazon would be useful to many casual users too, and newer editors. <br />
: '''No because Project Gutenberg books are considered separate publications in the DB - so linking them from the hc book is simply wrong.''' They get automatically linked from the left menu when you go to their respective publications. Archive.org and similar pure digitization non-OCR projects are a different matter - those are linked from the publication page indeed as they give you the "book" and not just the text. Feel free to reopen the discussion on Gutenberg if you want... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: (emphasis added) No, no, I mean use the new "Webpages" field, in our publication record of the Gutenberg ebook, rather than rely on a link named "Project Gutenberg" that is buried down in the left margin of the browser window, outside of the publication records display. As we display Amazon links that generated by value of ISBN field, rather than ASIN field, in the left margin outside of the browser window. <br />
:: Thanks for your replies. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:40, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Ah, sorry, apparently I misread or misunderstood the question. No - the old rules apply - if we already have a link on the left side deriving from the same value or as an external ID, we do not add it to the web pages as well. We need to make these links on the left more prominent especially for Gutenberg books but... not sure how and where to stick them. <br />
::: The Amazon left side links uses an ASIN link to Amazon actually - via the ISBN. So for all 978- ISBNs it works as a charm; so it does for any paper book with ISBN10. The newer books with ISBN-13 starting with 979? Not so much - and for them instead of ISBN10 as an ASIN (which cannot be calculate), Amazon adds B* ASINS - so we record these as ASIN. :) And the ebooks ISBN links don't lead where you want them to. So if Amazon issues an ASIN starting with B, we record that separately, regardless if there is an ISBN; if it does not, then the ASIN is the same as ISBN10 so we have that covered. Always fun when our links change their behaviour... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:51, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
(aside) I wonder whether this was my first edit conflict at "home"? I haven't had much traffic here since Mhhutchins completed the mentoring. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:09, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I suspect it has more to do with most editors being too scared of your notes to edit them :) More seriously though - you tend to work in areas that almost noone else touches and you tend to clean your links -- which rarely leaves work for someone else on these records. I had been here a few times for clarifications but most of the times your notes are clean enough. It is a community project and the only way for it to work is to discuss things. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
Sorry, I noticed this discussion not earlier as now. My English not so fluent to understand all of Your writings exactly. But I didn't want to upset anybody. Thinking about I should have put the webpage link redirecting to the beginning of the scan [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t1pg1wv9s&view=1up&seq=1 here] since the title page was alredy linked in notes. I guess it is useful to find a scanned publication in total using this link or to have an alternative external ID there when there is no one preset. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 15:36, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Hi Zapp. OK. AnnieMod and MagicUnk provided me good explanations. I have a followup at your page. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 19 June 2020 (EDT) ... Done. <br />
:: Concerning the '''link to title page image in Notes''' [1] Sometimes I do fashion that as "-- <u>title page</u>" alone on one line. Probably I shouldn't, because that may invite removal. For the 1st ed. ''Tales of the Masque'' P{{p|778464}}, since your first visit I have extended that line with "red and black, as "Lawrence and Bullen" (commonly '&') with Bull logo". [2] If you do remove the link, it's best to leave unlinked text in the Notes with instruction, such as "title page (linked above)", rather than to delete the former linkname. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Laurence Alma Tadema ==<br />
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{{A|Laurence Alma-Tadema}} currently contains no credits under that name (with the dash). Will you be adding any? If not, instead of establishing an alternate name for {{A|Laurence Alma Tadema}} (without the dash), I will make that the canonical name. The canonical name should a form that was published. The "true" name would go into the legal name field. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:49, 21 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I composed, then deleted, a long Note to Moderator --MagicUnk anticipated-- either here, or AuthorUpdate, or when submitting the publication Note for the 2015 ebook P{{p|779904}} (see the last bullet point).<br />
: It occurs to me that I should check (? Contento and/or Locus) for the three 2010s publications. ...<br />
: JLT, I think you should hold overnight. FWIW below is what I composed/drafted early this hour :--) before moving up here. ('FWIW' doesn't mean you need to read it.) I need exercise and food break, maybe can't get back today (Sunday here). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:22, 21 June 2020 (EDT) <br />
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: I consider Laurence Alma Tadema the better choice. Certainly she <br />
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: I don't know that Alma-Tadema is a legal name, only that it is the canonical name of the writer here and there, and the canonical name of her father the visual artist here and there. Of course our Legal Name field is full of such.<br />
: I do not have a confirmed publication as by Laurence Alma-Tadema. Nor do we/I have a confirmed publication as by "L. Alma-Tadema", whose report I believe spurious. Among 5 publications of the work/story in 5 publications of the 1886 anthology, this is the only confirmed name-as-credited. <br />
: Publication as Laurence Alma-Tadema is not unlikely in the three 2010s publications of the anthology by Leonaur Ltd. Unfortunately the two ISBN are not found at WorldCat and "Look inside" the 2015 ebook does not resolve<br />
* '''"The Contents list comprises linked story titles and story section numbers, no author names. There is no opening essay. Editor Henry Norman, and authors of the opening poem and first story, are credited here as in the 1886 US edition. There may be differences elsewhere."'''<br />
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::I merged them together under {{A|Laurence Alma Tadema}}. If you find publications with alternate credits, we can revisit. But for now, we will make due based on the credits we have in the database at the moment. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:40, 22 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Good! I check in 24 hours later to ask you to go ahead.<br />
::: I much prefer "Laurence Alma Tadema" myself, but that would be true even if 2010s publishers were hyphenating that name. And even if "L. Alma-Tadema" were confirmed genuine rather than spurious. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:58, 22 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Note to self ==<br />
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created 2022-03-23 23:46 [EDT]<br />
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Exceptionally complex "Note [singular] to self" : cut-paste as new [[User:Pwendt/comeback]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:08, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Readers union HTML issue ==<br />
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Hi. I approved the submissions & saw the problem but left it for the morning to figure out when less tired. Fixed now[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?50412]. Noted solution on moderator board, simple but not immediately obvious.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 11:30, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Book of Lamps and Banners ==<br />
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I don't see that you are changing anything with this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5303231 submission]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:57, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: The queue is a bit long. I corrected some UK publ from Mulholland Books / Little, Brown and Company but one PVerified book was a leftover. In reply to my notice (another problem too) verifier merged the publishers, he explains [[User:Willem H.#The Revisionists]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:22, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I understand, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:42, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kiki Strike books ==<br />
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"Kiki Strike" is the series, so while it may appear on the title page, it's not actually part of the title. It's not uncommon to include the series title on the title page with the book title. I've rejected these submissions: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337912 The Empress's Tomb] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337933 Inside the Shadow City]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:42, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Book 2 ''The Empress's Tomb'' in UK softcover, I improved and resubmitted, now in the queue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5348988]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:37, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Same for Book 1 ''Inside the Shadow City'' in US softcover reissue, now in the queue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350597]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:17, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Eerie Book (2) ==<br />
: ''directly concerning the 1981 Castle Books edition''; cf. [[#The Eerie Book]]<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?487344; I replaced the cover that I believe you added because it's clearly the same cover, but the one I used was less faded and didn't have a time stamp on the bottom. Then a PV wrote an extra note today about the "showed" cover (I think they meant "shown") possibly not being the correct cover because it was added post-PV. So can you verify it's the same (which it clearly is by looking at it) so that note can be removed? --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:05, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Hi. 2020 PV Anniemod (and moderator for my work on the 1898 edition, who cooperated on the title records) has pursued the matter further. Related: I revised the heading and inserted a cross-reference, above.<br />
: Do you have Internet Archive subscription to make use of publication links for full interior views of all(?) books at Archive.org? <br />
: In effect, I am away for ten days, thru this weekend.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:13, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Don't bother; it's a dumb discussion about some supposed cover color difference which doesn't actually exist. The important thing is I've added a link to the Archive's copy of the 1981 reprint edition, because the Archive's copies of the original 1898 edition have the library stamp hole-punched through most of the illustrations, making them useless for printing out, while the reprint's illustrations are untouched. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:04, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Doll Who Came Alive ==<br />
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You wrote extensive notes for this book in 2017, for 1942 and 1972 editions, with a lot of questions about dates and such, and I just saw that someone uploaded a copy to Archive.org in 2020, https://archive.org/details/dollwhocamealive0000treg, which is a 4th printing/impression, in case that helps you to clear up any questions and add/fix info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:10, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks! Now what is that once-used Archive.org password? :--( <br />
: Linknotes to Self: Editor {{a|Elizabeth Yates}} <br />
: Editions (1st pr) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?612880 as 1942-09-17] (no image) (LO, Kirkus, newspapers, ABEbooks w/images) <br />
: 2nd ed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?612914 as 1972-08] (front cover) (LO, Kirkus[again], Amazon --dnf newspapers)<br />
: Archive.org [https://archive.org/details/dollwhocamealive0000treg/page/n1/mode/2up 1942 ed, 4th printing] i1 front jacket [signed 'NSU'] w/flap; i83 back jacket<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:51, 26 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== An Enemy at Green Knowe ==<br />
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Hi Pwendt<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5390921 submission] to clone this book to add a new publication record for a 1977-05-31 Puffin printing. There is already an existing 1977 Puffin [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260813 publication record], that seems like it may be the record you are attempting to add. Do you have evidence that Puffin did two printings in 1977? If not, you should update the existing record rather than create a new one. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:13, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Ron, you are right. 1977 Puffin update is now in the queue as 5394619 5394620 (two).<br />
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== Title and publication date alignment ==<br />
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Just a reminder. Don't forget that when you update the publication date, you also have to submit the update of the title dates in the Contents section accordingly. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:32, 31 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Did I overlook some Publication Update that predates one of its Title records? That would have been my oversight. <br />
: I suppose we continue to accept title date such as 1968-00-00 with publication date such as 1968-09-16. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:34, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Missing country ==<br />
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Just a gentle reminder that we are an international site so "Raised in Rochester, New York" should be "Raised in Rochester, New York, USA" :) I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5642 here] but do not forget to add the country when adding cities and other locations. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:10, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Is that reasonable even for New York and England?<br />
: New York City and London are common on our publisher pages, without even identifying New York and England. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:20, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: There are a lot of Londons [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_(disambiguation) out there]. There are also quite a lot of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York#Places New Yorks]. If we allow an exception for one language/2 countries, we will need to do it for others as well and it will end up in a convoluted set of rules. So let's keep it simple and not make exceptions and just always list the country. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:34, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: PS: Just because the practice is not always followed (especially in the past) does not mean that we cannot do better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:35, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dolittle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295530; I added/fixed stuff for this recently; it was just approved and then the mod wrote me to say that the note about corrupt record should be removed now, but since it seems you're the one that wrote it I'll leave it up to you to decide whether to do that, since I'm not sure what it means or whether it's still relevant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:31, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: By the way, it's "Dolittle" as in Doctor, Do Little.<br />
: Thanks, I will do that. From the record I see that you corrected imprint, page count, caps & spelling; not price. Newly you provided Image, Webpage, month from t.p. verso (as you Noted), and *US price from front cover* (Image). Is that right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:40, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: That's right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:14, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Literary Wonderlands ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5461654; I made some minor fixes and added the Archive link, which may help you flesh out your work on this book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:34, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== B Magical ==<br />
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I'm holding your 6 submissions re: the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29524 B Magical] series. I understand what you want to do. The most efficient way is as follows.<br />
# Make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?147723 Lexi Connor] an alternate name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?126269 Julie Berry].<br />
# These two submissions are fine [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5450459 The Chocolate Meltdown] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5450467 The Superstar Sister].<br />
# Cancel the fours submissions breaking the variant relationship in the other four titles. Just edit each of the existing parent titles. Change the author to Julie Berry & correct the title.<br />
If we break the variants as you submitted, we will need to delete the 4 empty parent title records and then create four new parent titles. Does this make sense? If you agree, do step 1 and 3, post here and I will process all seven edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:46, 22 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: But we need 10 variant titles as by Lexi Connor, right? Six under the canonical-title and four under alt-titles. The six and the four all need to be variants, as by Lexi Connor, of NOVEL parents by Julie Berry that have no publications. <br />
: That is, I am following the previous approach, without questioning it. You suggest that previous editors should not have created parents with <i>Spelling B</i> book titles, unless willing to do the work of adding those presumable first editions to the database? (I didn't notice last fortnight that we have 4 of 10 NOVEL records with no publications in the database; simply undertook to make Julie Berry parents of all 10 Lexi Connor title records.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:57, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Three points --not aligned with your three steps, so I make them unnumbered bullet items.<br />
:* Procedure for adding titles from Amazon. Perhaps it's proper with a work that is new at ISFDB --given earlier publication under a known different title (I presume that was known by our Amazon team member, and I haven't yet confirmed the fact of <i>Spelling B</i> publication)-- the publication reported by Amazon should be added under its publication title and date; and a parent should be created under the known 1st ed. data --presuming that that will be added later.<br />
::* Now I have located WorldCat records of stories #1-4 under original titles ''Spelling B ...'' (OCLC 277204477 , 501300482 , 560344104 , 794059493 as 4 print books; beside 4 ebooks).<br />
::* Whatever the usual procedure[*], I think it's reasonable here to make ''The Missing Magic'' and other short titles canonical (as by Julie Berry, with 1st ed. publication dates as title dates, of course). Essentially, the original series name was replaced after issue of 4 stories thus. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:14, 23 October 2022 (EDT) <br />
:* On the technical point: I know revision of parent title from ID ###1 to ###2 (a different parent) or to 0 (no parent; not a child). Is it possible using only the bottom half of the Make Variant screen (Option 2 : If the parent title does not exist, enter the title information below to create it.) to replace an existing variant relation at once?<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5450467 The Superstar Sister] isn't fine. It makes "2nd of several" a publication Note; should be Note to Moderator.<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:52, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Take a look at the result after I processed the seven edits outlined above. I didn't edit the title field as you stated they were correct (hasty assumption on my part). I simply changed the author in the parent titles to the canonical name. Isn't the result what you were aiming for? I left the four variant submissions on hold for you to cancel. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:37, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: No, I was taking the first step toward 16 NOVEL records: 6 as by JB with no publications; and the original 10 as by LC (created 2011 by Mhhutchins) as variants of the 6. Step zero, make variants of all 6 Mhh parent records, could not be submitted while those were parents. <br />
:::: But I do see your point. And the 10 NOVEL records now in the database, after your session-10-23, do match 10 of my 16 targets. Your implied advice: ADD the 1st ed. stories (''Spelling B ...'' as by Lexi Connor) as 4 new NOVEL submissions; later make them variants as appropriate. Until then --if and when you get around to adding them as Publications-- we don't need (and perhaps avoid by policy) such variant Titles without publications. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:39, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: As you continue to work on these, you might find [https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%28lexi%20connor%29 this] useful. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:46, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Canceled the quartet. Suggestion noted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:55, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
(unindent)John, With reference to the previews at archive.org, just now I added (submissions 5465337-40) 1st ed., 1st printings of books 1-4 as New Novels ''Spelling B ...'' by Lexi Connor. Later I will proofread comparatively; make variants; consider parent Titles annotation and redate.<br />
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Do you generally find such scans by site search at archive.org? Or by another route? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:10, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Submissions 5465337 thru 5465340 have been approved as is since you will be editing all of them. Let me know when the next round is ready for review.<br />
:* I added "(unindent)" to your post as is our practice.<br />
:* I search archive.org directly. In this case, I used metadata 'Advanced Search'. I use url searching when I wish to see the state of a given website as it existed at a specific time.<br />
: Thanks for your hard work on these, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:15, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Now submissions 5465647-48 and 50-51; 5465728-31 --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:41, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Submissions approved. The following items need attention. Missing juvenile flags for all 2011 & 2012 titles (8 titles). Fix case: 'With' is only capitalized if the first or last word of a title (2 titles, 1 pub title). Fix case: 'Spelling B and the missing magic' (1 title, 1 pub title). Submit edits for the above and anything else you see, then consider the following. Did you notice that the archive had both the 2010 and 2011 printings of 'Spelling B and the Runaway Spell'? The title pages are identical. Shouldn't the pub titles and titles records be the same? Thoughts? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:09, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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=== To Do list === <br />
<font color=green>''This subsection is a temporary footer.''<br />
# Pwendt, 10:36:21 EDT (quote as [nowiki]) <nowiki>Note to Moderator: 1st of 4; later<br> • child #1 needs capital Ms (NOVEL and COVERART)<br> • check all child COVERART (import, merge?); juv<br> • expand series Note </nowiki><br />
# Scifibones, 12:09 immediately above<br />
# 2011 eds. as ''B Magical:'' are now indb as 144 pages; #1 pb, #2-4 unknown; #5 pb; #6 pb £3.74<br />
# 2011 eds. #3-4 at archive.org (not known to hold scans of 2011 eds. #1-2 and 5-6):<br />
:* back covers state C$6.99, or Canada-only $1 price cut<br />
:* #3 1st printing, "This edition first printing, April 2011"; #4 2nd printing, "This edition first printing, May 2011" (not July)<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:37, 27 October 2022 (EDT) </font><br />
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== The Girl with the Broken Wing ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5458626 this submission]. Your source identifies the format as 'pbk' yet you made it hc. What am I missing? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:22, 22 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, the two ISBN are ISBN-13 and ISBN-10 for the same publication, unusually with duplicate "(pbk.) : £4.99". Not the usual, noteworthy, "first of two ISBN". Maybe I can find a WorldCat record {{done}} ... before I re-write and resubmit. {{done}}<br />
: New submission 5462997 is intended to be identical except format, to your point; linked WorldCat record; and Note, bullet-point layout with revised first bullet point. Please compare before you approve one and delete the other. That's the procedure, I presume. <br />
: (Thanks for your attention here. This is one I would not catch on proofread of My Recent Edits.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:27, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I approved the revised submission, but left the original for you to cancel. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:07, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: {{done}} --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:55, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Space Travel ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5474863 This book] will only be eligible if it illustrates fiction or is related to fiction. From what I can see, this is not the case. Can you share some more details about it? Thanks!<br />
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PS: We have a lot of non-fiction books in the DB which were entered under a different set of rules (based on having reviews in our magazines). We are slowly cleaning them up - the current rule is that the non-fiction books we add (which includes art books) should be related to speculative fiction or to books about speculative fiction. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:29, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: It doesn't belong in the database by that criterion. Perhaps I should note all 7 from last fortnight (6 pub update or clone, because the other six works were already here in US eds. if not UK eds.) at Community Portal. ... = seven 1953 UK books reviewed together as "Getting Ready for Blast-Off" by Charles Daly, The Observer 1954-01-10, p7.<br />
: To be continued, not today but mid-November(?). Use HOLD for now? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:52, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: We know this one is out so I may as well reject it and if I catch the others, I can clean up the copies we have and get them out as well... Let me know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:55, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: All those will be in the queue from -10-31 give or take a day. Dirk J Broer approved all the associated AuthorUpdate from not much earlier.<br />
::: I think I mentioned that it looks to me {{a|Willy Ley}} is someone in the database and deemed above the threshold for what is literally non-fiction. That is, for voluminous exobiology or cryptozoology, not presented as fiction. <br />
::: We also have such works as ''Flying Saucers Have Landed'' --presented as non-fiction but some who call themselves real scientists would call it fraudulent, rather than merely fanciful. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:44, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: We had had a lot of different rules through the years - and we have a LOT of non-fiction that needs deleting. If it is published as science and the person who wrote it believed it to be science, it is out. That also applies to UFOs, ghosts, alien abductions, other creatures, religion book and so on- unless it was published and meant to be fiction, it is not eligible. Look at our [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Included Included section of the ROA] - the non-fiction is only eligible under points 3 and 4. If it does not tie to fiction in some ways, it is out :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:53, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: So is there anything that will qualify it into the DB or should I reject the submission (or you can) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 23:39, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: I "cancel" the submission based on our discussion and ROA (linked above). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:13, 4 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Lost City ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5486056; While searching Google Images for cover image an ISFDB page came up, Pwendt/later, where you wrote about this book. Apparently the LoC copy was uploaded in 2017, very shortly after you entered this book, so after my edit's approved I'm sure you can add/fix more stuff. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Re your Note to Moderator: NOVEL edit history shows that I re-dated as 1883-00-00 when (2016-11-08 relocation from the publ record) I noted the original 11-part serial beginning 1883-10-30. NOVEL date should be first publication as a book. <br />
: Re the title page fib "1885": Sometime during my two-year pandemic absence there was ISFDB Wiki resolution, I believe, to augment the publication Date field, where we know that the actual and stated dates differ. Report both 1884-12-20 and 1885 in this instance. But augmentation hasn't been done. Usually (more recently?) I have put the publication date from the title leaf in the single field we have now.<br />
: Thanks. I will return to this one, as you suggest. Then I will re-layout as a bullet list (ie, with ul- and li-tags). Also I will insert my habitual opening lines for such cases: <br />
* '''1st ed. as a book''' (alluding to the 1883 serial; details in title record) <br />
* '''Published for the 1884 [Christmas][holiday][gift] season as 1885.''' (details in source note below)<br />
: Evidently I settled on the latter note, with 1885 in the Date field, sometime after this 2016/17 work. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:22, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ghostly Business ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514268; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514274; After these edits are approved you may want to see if you can add anything further. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. Evidently someone with a blue pen thought the bookcover windows and lights needed enhancement.<br />
: What is your criterion for adding a link to Archive.org (Webpages) or to OpenLibrary.org (External IDs)? I suppose your first submission is the fruit of exploration at the former website; and the second submission, exploration at the latter. <br />
: Just now I read this OL information page: [https://openlibrary.org/dev/docs/api/covers Open Library Covers API]. That may be useful to me occasionally. Too bad I didn't know it before the pandemic shutdown. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:59, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I used to add mostly OL ID, probably thousands of them in all, with an occasional Archive link added for one reason or another because I know that many of the non-public domain books aren't supposed to be on the Archive in the first place so I let people see the link on the OL page and decide whether they want to go to the Archive copy, but over the last few months with the server move here creating a huge mess and ISFDB-friendly sites like Amazon, WorldCat and others completely re-designing their sites it's a waste of time trying to do anything properly, so I just add mostly Archive links now with an occasional OL ID added for one reason or another. I've got about a thousand pending edits at the moment so if things go as planned and I leave here for awhile those should keep mods busy for a long time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:15, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Note to self again ==<br />
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Current contents of this page User talk:Pwendt <br />
: 001–002 : April 2015<br />
: 003–056 : Sep 2015 to Apr 2016 (8 months; about half the page by length)<br />
: 057–155 : May 2016 to Jun 2020<br />
: <br />
: 156–171 : Mar 2022 to Dec 2022 (May to Dec, essentially)<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:44, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?365842 Earwig and the Witch] ==<br />
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Hi! This has the note 'Evidently shorter than 15,000 words' (it's a bit unclear who added this), but this should lead into the transformation into a CHAPBOOK / SHORTFICTION: with this length it's a novelette. There's now a German translation out with 107 pages and many illustrations, which lead me to this title. Anything against the conversion? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:10, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Evidently that note item is mine. (First word "evidently" is evidence; last word evidently, probably, etc, would be stronger evidence.) Probably I counted words on one page only, and guessed the mass of illustrations, etc.<br />
: By the way, I don't know how to convert efficiently for a multiply published novel. What sequence of submissions? So go ahead and do it. Tell me the sequence if convenient. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:42, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks! Will do. If you come across this problem some time later, you'd have to change the NOVEL title to a SHORTFICTION one, and then, somewhat regrettably, one has to edit change all the publications into CHAPBOOKs (meaning you also will have to add a CHAPBOOK title to each one of them, so that each of the publications has a fitting container title). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:37, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== King of the Golden River ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?615941; https://archive.org/details/kingofgoldenrive0000rusk_b0c0; Library edition uploaded in Dec. of 2020 (there's a little label on the back cover), in case you want to enter it like I assume you did for the regular Greenwillow edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:30, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Annotated Snark ==<br />
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Hi, You verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?670586 this publication]. Can You remember the cover, maybe that one to be seen on [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=11418303274 abebooks]? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 07:37, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: I cannot. I should have kept a list of Transient PV from my local public libraries but I did not. Perhaps soon I will learn how to go from the scanner every branch now provides to an image suitable for ISFDB upload. <br />
: Two months ago I foresaw that retracing at local public library branches will be productive for ISFDB coverart image purposes ([[ISFDB:Community Portal#Amazon-hosted cover scans at images/P/]]). I haven't yet tried that and it belongs on the list for this winter.<br />
: It occurs to me also, I should note in publication records whether the verification copy has a dustjacket, same as I note when it does not have the original book cover.<br />
: Thanks for asking. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:32, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I found the right cover in [https://archive.org/details/annotatedsnark0000lewi archive.org], it's the same. I added. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:04, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: Thanks. I expanded my personal table of Primary Verifications (easy now, as only 120 in number) with a few extra columns that I should have used personally from the start, and a few that I would have added recently --concerning "/images/I/" and "/G/" and "/P/". It's only Day 2 and I have my first revision to make, with this image now in the database. And thanks for the price note. <br />
::: I see that you added the image hours after the other work, perhaps because you collect from ABEbooks and others, and manipulate for upload to ISFDB. Do you know that direct links to OpenLibrary.org cover images are acceptable? In this instance: <br />
::: [ <nowiki>https://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/12857132-L.jpg</nowiki> [https://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/12857132-L.jpg 1962 Snark, front dj] ]<br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:00, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Short and Tall Tales ==<br />
Were you planning on setting the non-genre flag as appropriate for the titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?496711 here]? [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5572534 This submission] sparked my curiosity. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:13, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: I don't have any knowledge to tag any story non-genre. I know the 29 mystery novels from #1-3, part of #29, and vaguely one other that is set in Moose County (#5-29). On that basis I confidently amplify what Mhhutchins and Chavey say and assent in the publication note, too briefly and without any Title annotation (all too common). Our later PVerifier is absent since 2015, or I might have asked herm ---who evidently did nothing but scan the record and check the box, by the way. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:46, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574837; The cover art is the same on the HC, which is also on OL/Archive, so if anyone creates a record for that edition the artist will need importing/date will need to be fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I have observed the 1st ed. Beside "non-genre" where appropriate, which requires some reading, all the stories need "short story" length and 2002-10 date --if we retain them in the database. Fix some titles too (&, '). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:44, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-approver status ==<br />
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Self-approver flag has been set on your account as per the consensus [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-nomination_for_self-approver_-_Pwendt on the Community portal]. Congratulations! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:41, 11 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. I vacated for a week after nominating myself last fortnight, but home computer trouble then extended my absence. So far in CoViD--19 era, I do not often work elsewhere, and I don't contribute by handheld phone. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:19, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Clock That Went Backwards ==<br />
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Please do not enter statements into the database like you did [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5604903 here]. All but two of these titles have been verified by active editors. If you have questions about the verifications, ask the verifiers on their talk pages to double check the records. Do not simply add a title note stating their verifications may be erroneous. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:57, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: For a start I have User space inquiries of [[User talk:Markwood]] (5 of the 8 PV) and [[User talk:Dave888]] (2 PV). It seems to me reasonable to wait for replies from both, before writing to remaining verifiers of single editions. For both Markwood and Dave888, I noted that the title notes are already out of date. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:08, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A Little Boy Lost ==<br />
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You had created an entry for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?645583 A Little Boy Lost] a few years ago and gave it date of late 1920 based on advertisements in the papers of the day. I was going down rabbit holes and ran across [https://archive.org/details/sim_publishers-weekly_1920-02-07_97_6/page/388/mode/2up?q=knopf The Publishers Weekly 1920-02-07: Vol 97 Iss 6] which references the Knopf edition for $1.50. I have no idea if it's a different publication or different price and need to come up for air, sanity and scheduled things. Not wanting to just leave it, I thought I'd let you know, without expectations of any kind. Ta ta. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:40, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. Not for attention soon but I expect to catch up with Talk page tidbits sometime. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 08:45, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Perceval Press ==<br />
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I made some edits (5629911, 5629914, 5629915) re: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?53991; I added Archive.org links to both and then corrected page count of Pirates from 177 to 211 (Mammoths really is 177). You wrote extensive notes so after approval you may be able to do some more work on these. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:18, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Man In The Window ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=cohen+man-in-the-window; You may want to know there's a copy of the recent edition also on Archive.org; I don't see a link in the ISFDB record you just worked on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:31, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The 2013 print edition, yes. Thanks.<br />
: Work to be continued (print and ebook). See my Note to Moderator [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5635991] as I take a break, perhaps done for the day. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:40, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I didn't do much this morning (Friday) yet may be done for the day, with many database records in progress, needing revisit. Most recent and top of the list: {{a|Nancy Pearl}} series Book Lust and Book Crush Rediscoveries (only 3 works in database as far as I know); other editions of ''Mr. Pudgins''. <br />
: Then revisit other works by Ruth Christoffer Carlsen. Then jump back to late March, before a fortnight hiatus. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:54, 14 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Body Snatchers ==<br />
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Hi Pwendt<br />
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There is a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5708736 pending edit] that removes a note that I believe you added to {{T|437|The Body Snatchers}}. Your note asserts that the 1978 re-write of the title is not in the database. However, I believe the rewritten novel refers to {{T|186595|this title}} which indeed first appeared in 1978. It's a little confusing since both the original and rewritten novels appear under a variety of titles. In any case, I wanted to explain why I'm approving an edit that removed your note. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:21, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Ron, I am mainly absent this spring summer: Apr May Jun Jul so far.<br />
: Thanks for the notice. Evidently you are right. I have general questions about our use of Series. For instance here,<br />
: When do we and should we create a fiction Series --here, such as Series: Body Snatchers-- to group multiple versions of "one story", so to speak, which are otherwise associated only by Title headnotes? <br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:07, 23 July 2023 (EDT)</div>
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== Don Maitz ==<br />
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As I finish my Maitz collection, I've edited {{P|299609|First Maitz}} [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 01:32, 24 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Queen of the Swords ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|125921|The Queen of Swords}} since that cover is used for five other editions of that title. [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 15:38, 24 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Star Diaries ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Would you be able to check the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?309555 this one] - I am trying to find out if the author name is spelled Stanisław or Stanislaw. The cover uses the correct Polish spelling so chasing down the title page to see if we should swap the name. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:32, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Annie. Title page uses Stanislaw without the slant through the L. In fact the cover is the only instance where the slant is used. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 01:02, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Awesome. I will add a note about that to the publication so we know what is going on (and I do not bother you again in 6 months when I forget we cleared this one). Feel free to change the wording if you do not like it. Thanks for checking! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:07, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Soldier, Ask Not ==<br />
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Tony Roberts is the cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257755 this], he states in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1267249 SF artist interview] in Science Fiction Monthly, November 1975 that "I've just finished the covers for Gordon Dickson's Dorsai trilogy". While this title is not explicitly mentioned, Sphere published "Soldier, Ask Not" with the text "The second in the Dorsai trilogy" on the cover. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 09:37, 11 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Elmore: Twenty Years of Art ==<br />
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merging record with ArtFantastix reissue and importing content into {{P|514571|Twenty Years of Art}} [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 16:27, 11 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== David B. Mattingly ==<br />
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I've added notes and contents to {{P|35124|Alternate Views, Alternate Worlds}} [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 03:22, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Best S.F. Stories from New Worlds 8 ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4187<br><br />
I believe this note is to say: First published in 1974". Do you agree? --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 13:26, 21 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Probably. I don't have my copy immediately to hand to verify. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:37, 21 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Iron Man: A Story in Five Nights ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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I am considering converting [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?518250 this one] to a chapbook - there are no 40,000 words in this story (I am not that there are even 17K). Any objections? Any chance to do a rough word count? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:26, 23 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:No objections. Clute & Nicholls states it is a "chap" so that would seem to clinch it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:59, 24 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Done. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:56, 26 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Shepherd Is My Lord ==<br />
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Hello, concerning the use of html in the Notes field in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4786585 this submission]. You made a small mistake. The proper use is as follows : <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/schongut/3993385008/">text</a>. Note the <a href="URL">text</a> format. Substitute URL for the website page address to link to, and 'text' for the text to click on. I've accepted your submission and corrected the link accordingly. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:02, 7 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:I did try to follow the instructions on the help page. Your yexy above is much more succinct and much easier to understand so thank you. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:45, 7 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::You're welcome :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:29, 7 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Utopia ==<br />
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I've done a little bit of cleanup of More's Utopia trying to sort out translators. I noticed that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?522074 your copy] of the Penguin edition has the author as "Thomas More" on the cover. I have a later printing with "Thomas More" on the title page as well. I just wanted to check to see if perhaps your copy should be under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2783905 this title] instead of the "Sir Thomas More" title it is currently under. The other title also notes the translator. You also may want to add the Penguin Classics publication series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:29, 8 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Alright thanks for the flag. I've removed the verification from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?522074 this copy] and cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2783905 this title] and added notes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 04:03, 9 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Wyndham's Sleepers of Mars ==<br />
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I'm going to change the author credit to your verified publication ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?181365 Sleepers of Mars]'' from "John Wyndham" to "John Beynon Harris". [[Template:AllFields:Alternate Names|this help section]], indicates that these "writing as" credits should be entered as the original name. I suspect that this publication was entered before that policy was implemented. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:34, 18 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Ok I checked the following Coronet editions: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?351066 Wanders of Time] - states on title page "John Wyndham writing as John Beynon Harris" <li>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?351068 Stowaway to Mars] - states on title page "John Wyndham writing as John Beynon"<li>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?181365 Sleepers of Mars] - states on title page "John Wyndham writing as John Beynon Harris" - This is NOT noted on Cover and Spine. Note is incorrect.<li>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?525504 The Secret People] - states on title page "John Wyndham writing as John Beynon"<li>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12785 Exiles on Asperus] - states on title page "John Wyndham writing as John Beynon"<li>Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 09:06, 18 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for that. It looks like all of these need some more work. I'll go ahead and start cleaning them up. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:45, 18 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::You're welcome Ron. Happy editing. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:04, 18 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Trigan Empire ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you confirm that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?252950 this] is the collection of the comics? If so, it is technically not eligible so I will be proposing it to be deleted -- but wanted to make sure I am not missing something (and yes, I looked at the note but as you have the book - a check never harms). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:18, 27 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Yes. It was obviously a volume that fell through the net. You may also want to review [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?264117 this] publication as well since it's a photographic reprimt of comic strips. The only thing to bear in mind (not noted on the entry) is that it has a foreword by Kit Pedler (an above threshold author) and 5 pages of introductory material "© James Slattery 1979" --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 09:36, 28 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== In His Own Image ==<br />
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Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4817773 this submission] that impacts one of your verified pubs. Would you please double check the date in the publication? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:44, 31 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Date checked. 1979 is correct. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:10, 31 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Change approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:23, 31 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Fuzzy Sapiens ==<br />
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Hi, cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500372 this] is Wayne Anderson, see [https://bookpalace.com/acatalog/info_AndersonFuz.html bookpalace.com]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 19:57, 31 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Stainless Steel Rat ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?313532<p><br />
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Price is $1.95, right? Stated at the back cover of the book. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 10:16, 7 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:I checked and my copy isn't that printing anyway so removed the verification. So you're the only verfiier for that edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:43, 7 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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::OK. I'll add it then. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 02:08, 15 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Art of NASA: The Illustrations that Sold the Missions ==<br />
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So... is this book about art illustrating fiction or is the book about NASA and space travel? From what I can see online, it seems like the latter ("History of NASA in pictures") and in this case it won't eligible for addition I am afraid... If these pictures are illustrating fiction or used as fiction covers, that changes things. Let me know :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:20, 12 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:It's a book of mostly conceptual illustrations giving a general idea of what things might look like in terns of various NASA missions from the earliest days and potential future missions such as habitat structures on other planets (Moon, Mars), Bernal and O'Neill and other tube-like or ring-like structures. These later images are almost certainly "fictional" in that regards. Whether they illustrate fiction or are used for fictional covers I know not. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:44, 12 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:: Then it won't be eligible. Our non-fiction eligibility rules (and this book is non-fiction -- we count all art books as nonfiction) is based on the ability to tie the book to speculative fiction (except for above threshold authors)... As the author is not above threshold and the book cannot be plausibly tied to speculative fiction, it is out I am afraid. :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:49, 12 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:::Fair enough. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:29, 12 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Dark Crystal Bestiary ==<br />
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I accepted {{P|810101|The Dark Crystal Bestiary}}, but changed the ISBN from 987.. to 978... as 987 is not valid. If this wasn't a data entry typo and the pub uses 987, please add a publication note. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:51, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:It was indeed a typo. I'll be uploading cover art shortly. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:06, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Merchants of Venus ==<br />
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I placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_new.cgi?4846262 your submission] on hold. Will you verify the spelling of "Fredrick"? His name is normally spelled [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?820 Frederik]. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:09, 2 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Ferderik. I made a typo. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:26, 2 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Just making sure. Is it "Ferderik" or "Frederik"? Your reply might have a typo, too. (^_^) ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:30, 2 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::Yes. Less haste more speed (or something like that). Frederik it is. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:38, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::::It's been updated. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:29, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Frost and Fire ==<br />
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Hello, I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_new.cgi?4846263 your submission] on hold, as I would like to ask if you could provide me with the author of the novel this is an adaptation of? Thank you! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:09, 7 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:That information was provided in the author field of the submission. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 01:40, 8 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:: Ah, then I'm afraid this submission is not eligible as we do not record graphic novels of authors that are below the threshold and have not published non-graphical-speculative fiction. I have rejected your submission. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:01, 8 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::Same publication as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?811612 this] so why reject ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:10, 8 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::::Ah well, basically I reverted my earlier rejection of your submission, as I realized that this is an adaptation of works by Ray Bradbury, so eligible after all. I've corrected a typo, and added clarifying note to the pub. Is it OK like this now? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:14, 8 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::It's fine (typos were probably my error). I should have added a note about it being an adaption of a Ray Bradbury story. The other one that maybe needs looking at is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1000566] which should really have Harlan Ellsion's name as author added to the record. Sorry if I came across somewhat "brusque" --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:19, 8 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::: Yep, does need Harlan as co-author. And no worries, I didn't take it badly :) Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:02, 8 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::::I have to pause occassionally and remember that you are human as well (feelings/emotions). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:32, 8 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Frank Kelly Freas: As He Sees It ==<br />
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I've added interior art contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14548+f this] art book. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 17:07, 10 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Jewel in the Skull by James Cawthorn ==<br />
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I'd enter the interview as an interview, not as an essay. Does it have a title on page [74]?.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 11:25, 16 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Not as such. It's merely "James Cawthorn" with below that "interviewed by David Britton". There was no dropdown option for Interview. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:14, 16 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:: Look lower on the "Publication Edit" page - interviews and reviews have their own sections (because they require a second author to be added specifically. Unfortunately that also means that you cannot convert - you need to add the interview and remove the essay :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:17, 16 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::Ok thanks. I'll do that. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:29, 16 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Sci-Fi & Fantasy Art of Patrick J. Jones ==<br />
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As far as I can tell, {{P|808603|this}} and {{P|599591|this}} are duplicate pubs where you have included the art, but not the essays and Willem H. has included the essays, but not the art. It seems like these should be combined and one deleted? I will point Willem H. to this conversation. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:49, 20 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Yes. Possibly Willem H added his edition after I did. I distinctly recall adding the publication and it's contents as it was not on ISFDB until I got hold of a copy. Seems logical to combine the two entires. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 06:29, 21 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::I verified the existing edition in 2018 (entered by Markwood in 2016). Perhaps you missed it? I now imported the interiorart titles in my edition (thanks for all the work!). I.m.h.o. it would be better to delete your pub, and move your verification (and any note you think is needed). I can't check my copy at the moment (It's in one of 165 boxes, but which???) --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:07, 23 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::I'll do that. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 05:35, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Dangerous Visions 2 ==<br />
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Hi, [https://70sscifiart.tumblr.com/post/637384514107228160/joe-petagnos-1974-cover-art-for-dangerous-visions this scan] of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?114141 this edition] shows (enough of) the signature PETAGNO vertically in the lower left, so cover artist is Joe Petagno, as expected. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 18:34, 21 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:I was pretty sure the covers of those three editions were all by Petagno being very similar in style. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:54, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Harry Harrison 'War With the Robots' priced at 50 cents? ==<br />
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Hi. You're the only current verifier of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53765. The picture for this listing shows 40-cent price. Is there actually a later printing with 50-cent price, or is that an error? If real, is there anything on the copyright page to indicate it's a later printing ... or maybe a Canadian edition? Thanks for clearing this up. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:31, 8 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:I checked my copy. It was a verification error. My copy is the 40 cent Sep 1962 first printing thus I've rverified the correct edition. Scott Latham is the only verifier of the 50c version but he's no longer active. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:40, 8 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Halcyon Drift ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Do you happen to be able to pull [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?124491 this book]? It is a 1976 one but the notes read "This edition published 1977 by Pan Books Ltd". Is that our typo or is this what the page says (I have an editor with a book that says 1976 on the page so trying to find out if we have two different editions or just the one and a DB typo. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:41, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Definately a typo. Copyright page categorically states "This edition published 1976 by Pan Books Ltd." --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 18:57, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Awesome - I will advise the new editor so he can verify that one instead of cloning :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:35, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Funny how now the UK is in lockdown I find sleep a bit tricky - it's half past midnight - gave me something to do. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 19:39, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Been there, done that - the first weeks of the lockdown here in the States back in March when I moved from going to an office (or on a plane to get to a customer site) every day to working from home, my sleep patterns were all out of whack... So were the patterns of everyone else I think so our multi-national conversations were in weird times. We are technically not in a lockdown here but things are away from normal so yeah... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:45, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Blue World ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36215 this] is of course Gino D'Achille, his signature can be seen on the original art as shown on the backcover of [https://www.ebay.it/itm/RUSS-COCHRANS-COMIC-ART-AUCTION-81-GINO-DACHILLE-EC-COMICS-PICTO-FICTION/363005860418 Russ Cochran's Comic Art Auction #81] (lower left corner, signature GA). [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 17:02, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Or better, look [https://www.ginodachille.com/collections/sci-fi-fantasy/products/the-blue-world here]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 18:08, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Romulan Way ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission updating ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4898772 The Romulan Way]''. I don't think you actually want to update this publication record which is for the first printing. Rather if you clone the record, you'll leave the record for the first printing intact while creating a new record for your second printing. Please let me know if you have questions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:43, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:The thing is that I'd verified it previously - maybe I hadn't actually checked. Whatever I did check the copy I had to hand which was for a 2nd printing. Either way the copy is no longer available. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:02, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::That's all fine. However, the existing record has a Locus1 and a Worldcat verification by an inactive editor. Both those verifications refer to the first printing. By making the existing record into the second printing, we lose any record of the first printing and those verifications would be incorrect. I recommend that you clone the existing publication and verify (transient is fine) the newly created record. You can also remove your verification from the first printing record. That way well keep records of both printings. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:44, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::On it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 23:50, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Robots ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Approved [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?821417 this one] but French capitalization and punctuation is a bit different than English (spaces on both sides of ":" for example and using sentence case and not title case for titles and subtitles) and we follow language conventions when known (and yes... we do need to finish the page about these). I also added the BNF number while I was there :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:29, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Alrighty, thanks. Well I only bought it for the robot art since I can't read French. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:30, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Sounds reasonable :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 10:40, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Haha yes. I belong to a Facebook group where members have been posting their sco-fi art portfolio collections [Shusei Nagaoka - 長岡秀星の世界 Part 2 is not cheap, nor is 迷宮のアンドローラ; and Shigeru Komatsuzaki who did art for model kit boxes mostly Thunderbirds - his "Mechanic Fantasy The World of Shigeru Komatsuzaki" is £100] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:48, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Artbooks are not my thing but I am into nice editions of SF (written) - some of these books are... expensive and I refuse to answer just how many versions of Dune or Foundation can one person have... ;) I need to add some of them here (and/or verify) but I keep getting distracted). At least I am not buying editions in other languages... too often (I may have a few Alice in Wonderland in exotic languages...). So yeah... as I said - absolutely reasonable. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:13, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Spectrum III ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you pull out [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?213357 Spectrum III] and check the title page - I have an editor who challenges the statement "'3' on cover/spine, 'III' on title page" and claims it is "3" on the title page as well. If this is the case, we also will need renames and so on... so any chance you can check what is in your book? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:48, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:The editor in question is mistaken. Yes it is "3" on the cover and spine but definately "III" on title page. The same is tru (as stated in the notes) for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?114231 this] edition as well. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:13, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: My guess is that he is mistaking "title page" and "cover" - that is why I came asking. Thanks for checking! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:24, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The covers problem ==<br />
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The two covers are untangled - you may need to add new images somewhere (I am not sure I left the correct ones in place - sorry, it is a bit late here...) but now when you press upload on either, it will only upload into that one and not for both. It was a tag mixup - a reused cover instead of uploading a new one into one of the book. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:13, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks Annie. I'll upload the photo of the unbosed slipcase edition to that record and scan the dustwrappr of my other very distressed copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 04:23, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: One question while I am here: You have the OCLC [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?822253 here] but the record looks like the one for the first printing from 1989 and not this second printing? It is a joined record for both the trade and limited but I think it should be taken off the second printing... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:48, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::That OCLC record doesn't distinguish between the two states (trade / limited). The only entry for a 1st edition UM is [https://www.worldcat.org/title/harlan-ellisons-watching/oclc/925018620?referer=di&ht=edition this]. All merely giver a 1989 date and all have "Los Angeles, Calif" for UM except for [https://www.worldcat.org/title/harlan-ellisons-watching/oclc/909360941?referer=di&ht=edition this] which has "Novato ; Lancaster". I don't delve into External IDs as they don't really interest me enough. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 06:17, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Yes. It belongs to both the trade and the limited editions - no argument about that - it even carries both ISBNs. :) My question was about the reprint :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:33, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Armada Monster Books ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?515040 1]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46655 2] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40164 4] were verified by you. The ISFDB titles don't match what's on the book covers. Are they different on the title pages? --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:23, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Yes. As clearly stated so in the notes for all three of those editions. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 03:17, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Title series ... ==<br />
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... since some years aren't indexed as part of a title (and shouldn't be put into the pub. series field). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:47, 17 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:And why is that especially when that series is printed on the title page ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 03:51, 17 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::Well, it doesn't matter where it's printed: the title page may also print other information: publisher, location of publisher, symbols, publication series etc. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:56, 17 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Some years back we had a major discussion on that topic about "The Lord of the Rings": some editions mention the title series on the title page of the respective novel (for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1609 The Two Towers]), while others don't. The result was to unify the title indexing as mentioned above. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:14, 17 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::That would mean that some books in a sequence (like the Road to Science Fiction for example) wouldn't immediately appear to be included as part of the series. In order to find that information out you'd have to go looking for it as opposed to it being obvious. Besides which having edits rejected without explanation is really unhelpful. And if the title page is the where one should take information from (such as the title) why are such edits rejected (especially without explanation) ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 05:25, 17 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::: I don't see anything rejected, just corrected. And the points you mention were part of the initial discussion, as I remember. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:36, 17 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: I wasn't part of that discussion or aware of it. My point about not being informed - whatever the reason - still stands. It would be helpful in future to be notfied about such things. I am not a mind reader and users may be unaware such discussions have occurred previously (they may well be buried in the archive somewhere). Why not direct them to such discussions instead of leaving a crytic message ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 09:08, 17 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Sorry! Since you've been around for more than five years it didn't occur to me that you might not know of it. How did you manage to get around this? ;-) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:13, 17 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::: When you say "get around this" I assume you mean the discussion to which you made reference to. The answer is simple: By being unaware of the existance of such a discussion. When I joioned I dodn't immediately start verifying my collection. I was merely using the site to find unatribiuted book cover artists (those whom I recognised or were published in art portfolios like Cowley's pictoral volumes). I didn't start to verify my collection or make edits to the database until much later. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:29, 17 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Well, that does explain something! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:49, 17 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Giuseppe vs Guiseppe ==<br />
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Hi, is it right that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?290910 L'illustrazione di Fantascienza e Fantasy in Italia — Italian SF & Fantasy Art] knows both two Giuseppe's and two Guiseppe's?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:39, 20 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:In all instances the spelling should be Giuseppe. I have now corrected that error. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 06:44, 21 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks!--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 07:19, 21 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Savage Hearts The Clyde Caldwell Sketchbook Volume 2 ==<br />
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A quick FYI -- checking your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?513498 ''Savage Hearts The Clyde Caldwell Sketchbook Volume 2''], I see that the author of the foreword is listed as "Holly Lislie". However, Amazon's Look Inside shows that her last name is spelled "Lisle", which matches our primary record for {{A|Holly Lisle}}. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:01, 9 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::Entirely my fault for mistyping her name. I've edited the record. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:38, 9 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Approved, thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:33, 9 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Hothouse ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Your note says "No ISBN, number 11003 printed sideways on back cover." but you added a Catalog number of 11002 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?407984 here]. I suspect one of those is a typo. Can you please correct whichever is wrong? If both are correct, a note explaining them will be very very helpful. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:23, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Penguin Encyclopedia of Horror and the Supernatural ==<br />
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Just added some notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?275516 this]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 07:58, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Broken Sword ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935100 this submersion]. Based on the other prices, I question whether you have the same version as you are editing and whether instead there was a second 1977 reprinting. The current other prices do not match the {{P|119281|first edition}} and the edit history shows there added by Bluesman (so not a carryover from an external source). Since every price differs, this would not a typo situation either. Thoughts? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:14, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Definately not a 2nd 1977 reprint. The cover image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?119281 this] edition] is the one for the edition I have and the other prices on the back are as I entered them from those printed on the back cover. Hope that makes things clear. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:41, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::How do you know the prices on Hauck & Bluesman version are not different than yours? What is the likelihood someone would have mistyped all four prices? I see you uploaded a new cover image. The previous version did not include the back cover so we cannot compare. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:21, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::You miss the point. You are looking at record with the WRONG image attached to it. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?119281 this] edition has the cover for a LATER edition - as you have noted all the prices displayed on the rear are too high for record entry. Why am I having to explain this again when I have already explained it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 02:52, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::There are currently two versions of this ISBN in the database:<br />
::::#{{P|119281|1973 first edition}} with other prices of "UK 35p, Australia 1.10c, New Zealand 1.10c"<br />
::::#{{P|417691|1977 reprinting}} with other prices of "$1.90 in Australia, $2.15 in NZ, 71½p in Rep of Ireland, 70c in Malta"<br />
::::Those two sets of prices are different which means the reprinting did not mistakenly clone the first edition. Those prices were specifically entered for the current 1977 record. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935100 Your submission] is editing the second record and changing the prices to "A$2.95; NZ$2.95; Eire 93½p; Malta 85c". That is a third set of prices; all of which are higher than the current 1977 record's versions. If it had been one or two numbers, it could have been a typo. But when ''all of them'' are different, it makes it hard to believe you have the same version as Hauck and Bluesman. As for covers, I was talking about [[:Image:THBRKNSWRB1977.jpg|this one]] for the second edition. Hauk's original image (which can still be accessed by clicking the date & time next to his name) is only the front cover. The current version is one you uploaded. Therefore, the images don't help resolve the issue. Hopefully now the question is clear and you can address the disparity in prices on the second printing. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:18, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::I can only go with the book I have in hand. "Reprinted 1977" That is the ONLY 1977 date on the copyright page. Other prices are as printed on rear cover. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 04:38, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I am looking at the cover you uploaded and there seems to be a blob/sticker just where the UK price is. Can you see clearly under it on the book itself? Is it possible that it says £0.85 and not £0.65? See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Second_Opinion my page] for the reason to ask if you want - this whole situation feels like a single printing with two separate covers (to allow for price increase) but having £0.65 is a bit inconsistent with the rest of the prices on the line so double checking? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:45, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Not a sticker. That 'blob' is blue ballpoint pen where someone other than me has totally obliterated the price - it is sadly unreadable. Also please note that I have stated THREE times now that the cover image attached to record 119281 is the wrong image. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 03:56, 19 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: The one with the obliterated UK price is the correct one for your second printing, correct? We can deal with the first printing and its cover as well (I will look in the morning) but I stopped by to ask about the second printing for now - we are trying to solve the problem of its double prices first. Too bad the UK price is not visible :(Thanks for checking. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:42, 19 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: The first edition cover: it was uploaded by you in 2015 from the looks of it (see also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Image:THBRKNSWRD1973.jpg&action=history history] and based on that, the old images were cleaned up [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Undelete/Image:THBRKNSWRD1973.jpg here]. I restored the old images so this one is sorted out I believe. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:37, 19 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(Unindent). I believe I know what has happened. The other prices are actually those from record 262485. The other prices as printed are: Australia £2.95; New Zealand $2,95; Eire 93½p; Malta 85c. Copyright page has "First published....1973 / Reprinted 1977" - those are the only two dates printed there. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:18, 19 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262485 record 262485]. Having exactly the same prices does not necessarily mean that they are wrong in one of the books- two books published at the same time CAN have exactly the same price. And it is not a rote copy paste (see how they look in the two books):<br />
:* Back cover lists prices of United Kingdom 65p - Australia $1.90 - New Zealand $2.15 - Rep of Ireland 71½p - Malta 70c<br />
:* $1.90 in Australia, $2.15 in NZ, 71½p in Rep of Ireland, 70c in Malta.<br />
: Someone typed these twice. It was wrong transfer, the line would be identical I think. And I really do not think that these higher prices in your book are consistent with a £0.65 price. 93 1/2p in Eire is always on a £0.85 UK price. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_note&O_1=contains&TERM_1=93+1%2F2&C=AND&USE_2=pub_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication this search] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_note&O_1=contains&TERM_1=93%BD&C=AND&USE_2=pub_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication this one]. On the other hand all the 71 and a half are 0.65: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_note&O_1=contains&TERM_1=71%BD&C=AND&USE_2=pub_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_note&O_1=contains&TERM_1=71+1%2F2&C=AND&USE_2=pub_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication thus one]. If your update is approved, this book will be the ONLY one with 93 1/2p in Eire and £0.65 in UK. Which makes no sense. So your book seems to be a £0.85 one - in which case unless we somehow believe that all prices including the UK one up in the field were mistaken and both verifiers missed it, we really have two covers on this printing - one at 0.65 and one at 0.85. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:05, 19 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Another thing to consider is that a later printing may not have updated the "First published....1973 / Reprinted 1977" line. It's not very common, but it happens. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:14, 19 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Good point. Which also leads to not changing what we have but instead cloning for the new prices as it is not the same book as the one we have... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:25, 19 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I have cloned the first 1977 edition and created a {{P|828636|second 1977 edition}} using the information from Mavmaramis' edit to the first one. I then rejected Mavmaramis' edit. I also moved over Mavmaramis' cover to the second one and restored Hauck's cover to the first one. I added a note to each about the differences between the two. If anyone has better wording, please adjust. Mavmaramis, please move your verification from the first one to the second one. Thanks for bearing with us through this process. Annie & Ahasuerus, thanks for your help. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:59, 20 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: That does sound like a fairly sensible solution. There was obviously some confusion / mixup somewhere along the line with data entry - where or when that was is unknown. Just a shame that certain booksellers decided in their infinite wisdom to obliterate the UK price on the back cover. I have a number of such expamples aquired from various second hand sources. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:13, 20 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Just added a note on the UK price and where it is coming from - hopefully someone else will have that exact copy so we can find the UK price one day. As always, feel free to rewrite/change if needed. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:44, 20 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Moment of Eclipse ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935102 this submission]: You already have a verified 1979 version of this ISBN {{P|513142|here}}. That entry is from 2015 and is lacking details. Are you sure your new one is not a duplicate? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:19, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Ahh ok. I should have gone down the list as opposed to looking at the cover images. You can merge the two since they are indeed the same edition. My fault entirely. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:44, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::It is not possible to merge publications. I have accepted your new edit since it had notes and deleted the old one without. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:24, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Three Hearts and Three Lions ==<br />
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Hi, about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4935239 Three Hearts and Three Lions] Did you have any contact with [[User:Holmesd|Holmesd]] about the 74p vs 71½p? You each might have a different printing.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:52, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No he hasn't, but a) I no longer have the publication, b) it was a transient verification in 2008, c) the price was added/revised by Mhhutchins in 2009, d) I've no record of what Mhhutchins had to say about it in my talk pages. So I may not in fact have verified the information regarding price (it was my first year on ISFDB). Doubt this helps, but it is what it is. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:54, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::The 74p was, in my opinion, an error on the part of whoever entered the data. They didn't look closely enough to see it was 71½ not 74. 71½p is the price that is printed. I know, I looked. It was the only correction I had to make to the record. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 02:57, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Goblins of Labyrinth ==<br />
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Does [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297861 this book] have The at the start of the title on its title page? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:35, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Yes it does. Assume the cover image is that of the hardback edition. I've uploaded an image scanned from my Henry Holt trade paperback edition.--[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 09:43, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! Someone used the same path on both so I had to rescue the old cover to put it on the harcover (in case you wonder what's with all the reverts in the image now). Back to normal. You may need to reload a few times to get the covers where the belong (because of how the caching of these images work)... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:33, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::All looks fine for me now. Correct cover that I uploaded is showing for the tp Henry Holt edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:44, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Yep - I had to pull it out to find the HC one and then restored it back. Which causes a bit of a flux for a bit. Thanks again! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:53, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== What Is Dungeons and Dragons? ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Would you happen to still have access to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514283 this book] or any memories about its authors. The cover has "John Butterfield, Philip Parker, David Honigmann" and the title page on archive.org seems to agree. As you verified, I would rather not change it without checking with you in case we have different copies. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:47, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:That was definately the copy I had. Whether the title page had all three authors I can't say. At some point at the beginning of this year I had a clear out of a large quantity books - duplicates, ones without dustwrappers and other tangental non fiction material. I changed the verification of all of those listed on ISFDB from "perminent" to "transient" and this was one such item which I no longer have. Sorry. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:09, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I had been looking at it some more. It seems to be game-related and not really fiction related... Would you mind terribly if I just delete the whole thing? It is not eligible (unless I am missing something). And [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#What_Is_Dungeons_and_Dragons.3F this note] kinda believes the same. What do you think? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:47, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Hello Annie. Yes it is indeed a sort-of 'primer' like a 'dummies guide' to the Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game. Not, I suspect, eligable so no issues if you delete it. You may want to look into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?943539 this] publication as well which was another that didn't survive my 2021 lockdown book cull. It is also extremely tangental although there is a listing for two editions by different publishers I was (am) the only verifier for the Arms and Armour Press 1981 edition. You may also want to review [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?290528 this] - there are two variants of the same title (one with an '&' and one without) - title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2842673 my copy] definately has '&'. It does contain artwork of arists listed on ISFDB - Keith Parkinson, Larry Elmore &c. At what point does fantasy roleplaying material become "speculative fiction". These [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5941 four] atlas type publications for example.<br />
Have I opened a can of worms here ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:31, 27 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Journeys og the Mind ==<br />
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A few things about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?835012 this one]:<br />
* "og" or "of" in the title?<br />
* Contents with no page numbers shows up at the top of the contents listing. If you want an interior art piece to show up after its story, use a piped page number. For example if the story is on page 7, use |7.1 for the interior art (or |6.9 if you want it before it) :) <br />
Let me know if you have any questions! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:34, 20 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:OF not OG - an obvious typo. Interior art content with no page numbers - I did that deliberately because there is more than one image per story hence why it was entered the way it was - it was easier for me to copy paste titles. Hope that answers your questions. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:33, 20 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: So you are ok with them clustering at the top of the contents? Please note that the piped pages will be used to sort the titles but won’t show up - thus putting the art next to the stories they belong to but without page numbers. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:58, 20 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes. There are lots of entries on ISFDB that are similar eg, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?578513 this]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:29, 21 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Some of them predate the ability to order them with the pipes. But that’s ok - just making sure. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:06, 21 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Art of Paperblue: An Instructional Companion for the Digital Artist ==<br />
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You left the "n" off of "companion" throughout the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?835503 pub]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 16:34, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:An obvious typo. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 01:25, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Stardrift cover artist credit ==<br />
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When adding information from secondary sources, please put the source in the pub notes and not the moderator notes. That way it is easily available for everyone to see. I have updated the pub notes for the two Stardrift records to show your source for the cover artist credit. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:31, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I would have done so but since using HTML to link to an external source is problematic even if i follow the instructions to the letter it still doesn't dipslay correctly. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 02:34, 14 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Importing titles ==<br />
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Hello. Just an FYI - instead of entering titles separately, you can always import them from another publication. Importing titles is only one edit, as opposed to entering a title, and then having to merge it with the already-existing one, which are two edits (see your edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4994227 here]). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:19, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Totally not the edit I made at all. I merely added the missing cover art credit. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:45, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Exactly what I meant. You didn't have to add the cover art credit the way you did - you could have imported the already-existing cover art title record into the publication instead, which would have saved one merge edit - no big deal, but thought I'd mention it anyway. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:15, 11 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== printing vs edition ==<br />
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Hi, any edition can have a first printing -of that specific edition. 'Apparent first printing' so isn't restricted to the first edition.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 09:09, 11 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Just being clear where it might appear otherwise. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:10, 11 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I once had a discussion on eBay related to this; A seller was offering a "1st edition" of 'Hurricanes over Murmansk' -the Airlife Classic edition, by no means the 1st. It may have been the 1st printing for Airlife Classics (so a case of 'Apparent first printing'). The 'Classic' should in fact already have warned him. I pointed him to the Patrick Stephens Ltd edition published some years before, but he answered "This discussion serves no purpose". Thought of giving him up for fraudulous offering.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:02, 11 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I have also had issues with book dealer descriptions being somewhat vague. I bought a book from an seller on Amazon and their description was "All pages are intact" yet it arrived with the copyright page torn out ! The issue with paperbacks is that someone might assume there is a hardback (thus "first") edition and if the notes are unclear it might not appear so. Better, in my opinion, to have too much information (which can be deleted if incorrect) than not enough. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 05:22, 12 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Busy About the Tree of Life and Other Stories ==<br />
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Fyi, I'm changing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255567 this pub] back to TP size. According to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Format help screen], paperbacks larger than 7.25" tall or 4.5" wide/deep should be entered as "tp". Since this one is 7.8" x 5" it's definitely not a "pb". I'll leave the note about the size, but as an argument for "tp". Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 13:31, 14 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. Same applie to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?319074 this] publication which is identical in size. I've gone ahead and made the edit to that record. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:50, 14 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Approved. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:09, 14 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Unicorn / Unwin Paperbacks vs Unwin Paperbacks ==<br />
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Hi, I see you are expanding the notes of many Unicorn / Unwin Paperbacks editions with the remark "First Unwin Paperbacks edition, in its Unicorn fiction/fantasy series". If I read this correctly, the publisher name as we use it is incorrect and there is missing info in the publication series field. Furthermore a proposed 'Unicorn fiction/fantasy series' could be expanded beyond publisher Unwin Paperbacks. E.g. publishers Unwin, and Unicorn Bookshop. What do you think?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 18:03, 15 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
: [https://www.sfandfantasy.co.uk/php/series-list.php?subsection=8 I seem not to be alone in seeing this as a publication series], and like this page I think 'Unicorn fiction/fantasy series' can be seen as 'Unicorn fantasy fiction series' in reality.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 18:13, 15 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: The notes you refer to "First Unwin Paperbacks edition, in its Unicorn fiction/fantasy series; Unicorn logo on front and back cover, Unwin logo on spine; Cover artist credited on rear cover." were copied verbaitm from a Unicorn / Unwin Paperbacks publication that already had those exact words in the notes. As far as I can tell Unicorn shouldn't even be part of the publisher as NOWHERE in the publication (except for rear cover and the Unicorn logo) does it state Unicorn as being the publisher - strictly Unwin. I've got more from this series turning up so let me know what decision you make. Unicorn Bookshops has NOTHING to do with these publications whatsoever. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:46, 16 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Oke, so we can limit the publication series to those publications that are published by Unwin (under whatever imprint) and share a common 'Unicorn' logo. I also agree that nothing in these books states that Unicorn publishes the books, the copyright page clearly just has Unwin Paperbacks as publisher.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 14:40, 16 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Be aware some state "Fantasy/Fiction" and some state "Fantasy Fiction" [no slash] on back cover. But all have the Unicorn logo on front cover and state UNICORN on rear. Whatever you decide is best is fine by me. More from that publisher (series) will be tooling up from Amazon in the next few days. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:18, 16 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: Whatever you two decide to do, please add notes to the Pub series page explaining all this :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:21, 17 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I'm leaving it up to Dirk to make the decision as to what changes should/ought/need to me made. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:34, 17 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Walls of Air ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5009253 this submission]: I'd wager it had "Erroneously stated as first published by Unwin Paperbacks 1985" because ''The Walls of Air'' was first published in 1983 by Dell Ray. I assume the publisher meant "this edition first published". I updated the wording to show it was a quote from the copyright page to reduce future confusion. I also restored the quoted text from the back cover the prior editor had. Some editors prefer more detail & while it is not required to go to that level, we shouldn't remove it when it is present. Let me know if I misunderstood anything. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:58, 19 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
: That's fine. Although why restore the quote when my edit stated the same thing - so really what's the difference between "Cover artist credited on rear cover" and "Cover illustration <i>artists name</i> on back cover" - they say exactly the same thing. As far as publication information goes I write what's printed on the copyright page anyway so it does seem to me, at least, somewhat redundant to state "on copyright page" unless there's a specific reason for doing so in order to clarify something that would otherwise be "vague" - just an IMHO and nothing personal (and "grumbles"). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:36, 19 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
::''"Cover Illustration David O’Connor"'' is (or should be since it's in quotes) a quote of what is on the back cover. ''Cover artist credited on rear cover'' is a summary. The first gives how the artwork is credited, the second does not. I would typically just give the summary, but as I said, other editors like to be more specific. A book cover with "Cover illustration by NAME" is unambiguously crediting the artist. A cover with "Cover by NAME" could be crediting the artist or the designer. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:57, 19 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Robot Book ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514832; I added cover images to the first 2 editions of this book, which are the same except for Penguin logo, and noticed all, including yours, say "PREDICTION", not "PREDICTIONS". If your copy has the singular title, the record should be fixed to reflect that. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:07, 2 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Records amended --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:00, 2 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Jean West Penna's ''Strange Territory'' ==<br />
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A quick question about your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289988 ''Strange Territory'']. The date field says "1984-00-00", but the Note field says "Published in Australia 1983 by Walrus Books". Would you happen to know what's causing the discrepancy? I have found [https://www.austlit.edu.au/austlit/page/C432035 an excerpt] from a 1984-03-24 review in ''Canberra Times'', so the book was likely published either in late 1983 or (if delayed) early 1984. OCLC [https://www.worldcat.org/title/strange-territory/oclc/1117837215&referer=brief_results says "1983"]. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:26, 4 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Should be 1983 as stated. The 1984 date was an error. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:01, 4 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Updated, thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:24, 5 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Science Fiction Illustrations'' ==<br />
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A quick question about your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?374286 ''Science Fiction Illustrations'']: is "Which One Di I Open First?" spelled that way? Or is "Di" a misspelling of "Did" or "Do"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:54, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Misspelling of "Do" --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 00:41, 22 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Updated -- thanks for checking! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:07, 22 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Clone of October the First Is Too Late ==<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5037596 clone] of ''October the First Is Too Late''. I believe that we already have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?265644 that publication] listed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:13, 22 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. I've cancelled the submission. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:36, 22 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Maps in a Mirror'' covers ==<br />
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Hi. I have your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5056579 submission] on hold that proposes to make the 1992 ''Maps in a Mirror'' {{T|561829|cover}} a variant of the 1991 {{T|618077|cover}}. The artwork does not look the same to me:<br />
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* The fiery swoosh wraps around the planet vs. ending at the planet<br />
* In one the planet has a red spot, in the other it does not.<br />
* The schematic diagrams are different<br />
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Even with explicit Rodgers credits in both publications, and even though they are similar, I think the differences are substantial enough to treat the later one as a "major" revision of the earlier one. In that case, we would not make one a variant of the other. We only use variants for different credits/titles associated with the same piece of art, not for tracking derivatives. What do you think? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:14, 16 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Agreed. Seems a pity you can't link the two somehow. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:20, 16 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::Well, we could add cross-references in their notes. That's not as nice as a variant link, but it should help anyone looking at further instances of that artwork. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:36, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Should have thought about that. As good an idea as any. Ugh how I hate HTML..... --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:57, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Galactic Encounters ==<br />
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Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Star_Quest:_An_Incredible_Voyage_Into_the_Unknown this discussion]. Can you agree with changing the books in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?37489 Galactic Encounters series] from NONFICTION to COLLECTION? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:32, 20 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: I've added my contribution. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:38, 20 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Demon Lord ==<br />
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I put image URLs to The Demon Lord [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38287 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?859247 here], please confirm. Thanks. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 04:03, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No images appear on either of those two entries. Neither of the editions you point to are ones I own so no idea why you have informed me. There is already an image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?598366 this edition] which the one I own. The Arrow edition had a large L shaped sun fade top and left so I didn't scan it before disposing of it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 06:46, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Sorry, my contributions have been verified after the time You answered. Now the images are to see. And I didn't recognize before that You verified transient. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 14:20, 5 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Alrighty. However [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?859247 this] entry still has the wrong information. Cover art is stated to be Peter Jones when the book cover image is for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38287 this] edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:59, 5 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bretnor's Modern Science Fiction ==<br />
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Hi<br />
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You have marked your copy of the 1979 printing of Reginald Betnor's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87303 Modern Science Fiction: Its Meaning and Its Future]'' with a Tuck secondary verification. Since Tuck only covers through 1968 and the Volume that includes Bretnor was published in 1974, he doesn't cover a 1979 printing. He does have the 1953 Coward-McCann printing as well as a Canadian Longman's printing that we don't have. In any case, the Tuck verification should probably be removed from this publication. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:52, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: If I knew how to do that I would but I don't. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 05:01, 29 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Go to the verification screen for the book ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/verify.cgi?87303 here]) for this one. As you are holding the verification for Tuck, you will be able to select the radio box in the first column (not verified) on that line. Press update at the bottom. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:11, 29 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Done. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 06:08, 29 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Date for Settlers in Space ==<br />
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Hi Mavmaramis<br />
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I will be adding the Reginald and Worldcat numbers to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?513508 publication] of ''Settlers in Space''. Reginald has the date as 1980, so I'm going to go ahead and change that too and note the source. Please let me know if you have any issues with that. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:54, 7 November 2021 (EST)<br />
: No issues. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:53, 10 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dream Makers: Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers at Work ==<br />
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Can you take another look at the price of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38840 this verified pub]? My copy looks identical, only the price on the backcover is £9.95. Thanks for checking, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:41, 12 November 2021 (EST)<br />
: Yes £9.95 it is. I've submitted the correction. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:48, 12 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::And approved. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:02, 12 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Bleiler's "Science Fiction Writers:" ==<br />
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I'm trying to verifa my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1185188 Science Fiction Writers], but can't decide which one I have. You verified the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267640 second printing, but the notes state: "Undated 2nd printing - number line thus: "1 3 5 7 9 11 13 15 17 19 Q/C 20 18 16 14 12 10 8 6 4 2" ". Can you check the numberline again? I.m.o. the econd printing should not have the "1" in the numberline, or does it state "second printing"? Thanks for checking. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:52, 24 November 2021 (EST)<br />
: Right. I've checked my copy. You are correct about the numberline - mine is as you quoted. I've removed the verification from the undated 2nd printing and verified the first printing and added moved the notes from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1185188 this entry] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?789569 this entry]. Copyright pasge just has a 1982 copyright date no "second edition" statement. Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:28, 24 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: I merged the two COVERART records (reminder: we have import...) :) A small proposal if I may - at the moment both printings have the same cover link, using the ID which belongs to the second printing. If someone ever decides to upload a new image for the second printing, the image for the first will also be changed without anyone even realizing it is happening. So re-uploading the cover with the "Upload new cover scan" link instead of re-using the link is a better idea. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:36, 24 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: It isn't likely the cover art of the 2nd printing will be different from the 1st but fair point. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 00:07, 25 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Thanks for making this clear! I verified the first printing, imported the contents and uploaded the coverscan from my copy. I think you forgot to add your verification [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?789569 here]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 08:39, 25 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Moonsinger's Friends ==<br />
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I think the canonical title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347485 this] should be "Moonsinger's Friends: An Anthology in Honor of Andre Norton". Would you please look at your copy and see if that matches what's on its title page instead of the shorter "Moonsinger's Friends" that's on the record? I have a copy of the Bluejay trade paperback and the record in the DB is wrong for it so I am just trying to check with others who have a PV on the other pubs before recommending a change to the canonical title. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:29, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
: Can confirm title page states "Moonsinger's Friends (above) An Anthology in Honor of Andre Norton" --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:32, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thank you. May I make that change to your pub? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:07, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: I've already submitted the change of title to my publication. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:08, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::::Thanks for your assistance. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:46, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Space Art ==<br />
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Hi, Mavmaramis. If you could, would you add the illustrations in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?513500 this book?]--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:32, 8 December 2021 (EST)<br />
: That would be a major task since almost every page has one (or more) images. It's a hard pass from me. Sorry. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 00:30, 9 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:: One quick note - the same request was made to the first printing PV [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood#Space_Art here]. Please cross reference the two requests the next time - if both of them had actually added the art, we would have needed to do a ton of merges in addition to 2 editors doing the same work, losing everyone’s time by doing the same work twice as opposed to splitting It (for example) and adding the extra work to merge the images. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:53, 9 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Since Markwood has indicated he will add content then I'll lave that task to him. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:17, 9 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Ariel: The Book of Fantasy, Volume Four ==<br />
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You uploaded [[:Image:AERIAL4.jpg|this image]] with a template that says it belongs to {{P|3024|this pub}}. However, that image is not used on that pub (which instead uses [[:Image:RLTHTSYV7A1978.jpg|this image]]). Your image has a slightly different color, however. Is that just a scan effect and the image can be deleted as a duplicate? Or where you trying to show an alternate cover and not got around to linking it from the publication? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:27, 30 December 2021 (EST)<br />
: See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mavmaramis/Archive_1#New_cover_image_for_Ariel_4 this conversation]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:06, 30 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::That seems to indicate [[:Image:AERIAL4.jpg]] is not needed anymore and can be deleted as a duplicate. Is that correct? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:37, 30 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::: I guess so. Mhhutchins probably forgot to delete it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 00:50, 31 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Out of Space and Time: Volume II ==<br />
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Fyi, concerning the foreword (Clark Ashton Smith: Master of Fantasy) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25330 this verified pub]. It's in the database as by uncredited, but it's signed as by August Derleth and Donald Wandrei. I'm going to change the credit and merge it with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?122203 this essay] (see the statement at the bottom of page 7). Hope you can agree. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:54, 1 January 2022 (EST)<br />
: No problem. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 00:29, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Phantasia: Of Dockland, Rockland and Dodos ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Let's talk about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?339139 this one] and its related titles. As the publication record is by Alan Aldridge, the NONFICTION record will also need to be by Alan Aldridge. We can add an extra interior art by him and switch the Willock title to an essay if you want but if you want the nonfiction to record to be by Willock, the author of the books will also need to be him - and that is just wrong from what I am seeing. Let me know how you want to proceed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:53, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:I wasn't entirely sure where to start with this book. The interior art is by Aldridge not Willock and the text is by Willock. Although Aldridge's name is on the cover the title page makes it more clear the art is by Aldridge. I hope that clear up the situation. Let me know where best to start with editing this please as I have notes to add to the Jonathan Cape edition I recently acquired ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 00:09, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: The best way I can think of:<br />
::* Leave the non-fiction as is (so it matches the title page and the cover and so on). Are both names on the title page? Because of Aldridge's is there, that may change a few things... <br />
::* Change the Willock thing to an essay (thus fixing what he had done really). Now - if both their names go on the title record, then this won't be needed - so let's first figure out the title page and then the rest will follow. <br />
::* Add an interiorart record by Aldridge to cover for his art. <br />
:: What do you think? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:15, 14 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Title page has Alan Aladridge (over) "illustrated in colaboration with Harry Willock". I already attempted to change them around (Aldridge to interior art, Willock to nonfiction) but you rejected those edits. Also "the Willock thing" isn't an essay it's nonfiction since he wrote the text of the book ! --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 01:42, 15 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: The author of the book (the publication) and the author of the non-fiction title record need to be the same. When you tried to swap them, you had Aldridge as the book author and Willock as the title author. That would have needed fixing in one of the two directions again - which is why I came over to see what you are trying to do so we can find the missing change.<br />
:::: Based on that title page, we can add both authors as book authors and on the non-fiction title. If you want to indicate that Willock wrote the text, you can add an essay with the same name as the book (non-fiction is both a text and a container - if they need to have separate authors, the text needs to be added as an essay) . Or you can do that just in the notes and leave just the non-fiction record with both authors on it. Then you can either remove the interior art record (as the coauthor status already shows that he is part of it) or switch it to Aldridge. Alternatively - change both the non-fiction title and the book/publication author to Willock and switch the interior art to Aldridge. Let me know if you want me to do the change or just submit it if you prefer? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:14, 15 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Adding both Aldridge & Wilock as authors seems to be a good idea. The interior art is all by Aldridge (same stuff that's in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?356472 this publication]) and again I reiterate the entirety of the non fiction text is by Willock and so can't be an essay can it. If you could do the changes then I can add notes to the copy I PVd. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 03:10, 15 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: It can be an essay - essay is any non-fiction text inside of a book/magazine so if you want a record just for the text portion with just his name on it, it needs to be an essay. One of those small oddities in the DB - it’s because the non-fiction represents the whole book (think of chapbooks and short stories - we have two records there, just one here). However - just having the two of them as authors is also enough anyway and probably less confusing in the long run - so I’d do the changes in the morning and fix that interior art piece and let you know so you can add notes and so on. Thanks for explaining how how Title page looks like :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:34, 15 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: Done - as discussed. Feel free to edit further and thanks for providing the details. (And sorry for the delay - was away unexpectedly). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:53, 18 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: Alrighty thanks. I've added notes and a cover art credit. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:00, 18 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Night Land ==<br />
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Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5196527 this submission] which impacts your verified pub. It is changing the pub notes & the cover artist. Are these database typos or are typos in the pub? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:04, 14 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Just going to point out that PV entered the cover artist's name correctly in his notes, the same name on the back cover which is visible in the cover image, and then misspelled it when he entered the name in the cover artist field, and the original publisher's name wasn't entered in quotes and thus likely was not taken from the book itself but entered from somewhere else (maybe ISFDB) which either misspelled the publisher's name or possibly PV made a mistake again. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:29, 14 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::We give the verifier the curtesy of checking with them. Not only because it's polite, but because in a small fraction of cases, it turns out to not be as simple as it looks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:40, 15 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Cover artists name as entered in the field was a typo and the original publisher's name (Grafton) was taken from the publication not anywhere else so I can't see the "mistake" in that field that you see. Anyway corrections are all good --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 01:48, 15 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: The publisher name that was wrong was the original 1912 one that you entered in your notes as "Eeleigh" Nash which I corrected to Eveleigh Nash. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:47, 15 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: Ahh ok --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 09:43, 15 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Many Futures, Many Worlds ==<br />
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Hi Mavmaramis -<br />
I was making some minor edits to Clareson's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?158461 Many Futures, Many Worlds: Theme and Form in Science Fiction]'', adding external identifiers. I also happened upon a a link to a scan of the publication. From that scan, I have added page numbers for each item. However, I also found a few discrepancies between the scan and how we have titles listed: We have the Schmidt essay with out the initial article (We have "Science in Science Fiction" without the initial "The" that appears on the title page; The credit for the Rhodes essay does not include her middle initial. I'm going to go ahead and make both correction. Please let me know if your copy disagrees with the scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:21, 15 January 2022 (EST)<br />
: Schmit essay title is "The Science in Science Fiction". As for Rhodes her middle initial only appears on the contents page. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 23:59, 15 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Blind Stamp [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322431 Her Smoke Rose Up Forever]==<br />
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Since you asked in a comment, a blind stamp is where they take a tool and stamp something without ink. You question was in reference to the cover, so it is indicating that there would be an indented area in the shape of a maple leaf, but without ink. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:43, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
: Thank you. My copy's dustwrapper definately does not have anything like that on the rear cover although it is a BOMC edition as it has "Printed in the USA" on the rear flap of the dustwrapper. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:56, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: US vs Canadian edition/cover of BOMC maybe? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:03, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::The blind stamping would probably be in the boards or binding cloth rather than the dustwrapper. I know nothing about the specific book, but there certainly could be variations. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:30, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: I have now found it after much searching - bottom right on the back cover board. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 23:55, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Hawkmistress ==<br />
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Hi, could you check the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16548 this] 1988 edition? The cover shown shows a price of £2.25 which clashes with the £2.99 price on the ISFDB page. I think the 1988 edition should have the Peter Jones cover shown [https://www.abebooks.com/Hawkmistress-3rd-Darkover-series-books-Bradley/9532203046/bd at Abebooks]. Thanks. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 07:46, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Right. I have the 1985 edition so I've removed my verification from that puba nd transferred it to the other one. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:22, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Moderator notes ==<br />
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Saying "adding note" when making a change is not very useful. Once approved, noone can see what changed unless they tracked it back and we still have all the old entries - all they see here is which field is changed. I know that the system can be built better, with the ability to easily show the exact changes in the history but that's not how the system works so we need to work around that. <br />
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It will be a bit more useful to say "added note about the cover artist attribution" in cases like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5216215 this one]. You can also see what I mean by "cannot see the difference" when looking at the entry in the history. Hope this makes sense and thanks for adding the note! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:04, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Ok I'll do that in future. I agree as I often see items in "My Changed Verifications" that I have no idea whats been changed as there isn't anything different between the "Current Changes" column and the "Proposed Changes" column. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:07, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Yep, known limitation of the history (and changed verifications) - once approved, we lose the "old" value. So you see the "new" value on both sides - we repurposed a different system to be used for these (the approval system basically - before approval, the moderators see the new and old values properly) and that system never needed the old value post approval. So we kinda have a history now - but not inside of a single entry as one will hope. So you can see which fields are changed but not what exactly - thus the moderator notes requirement. If you need to see what changed, you can check the previous update where there is a change log in reverse essentially). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:00, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Space Relations full title ==<br />
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Would you please look at the title page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297675 this] and see if it actually reads "Space Relations: A Slightly Gothic Interplanetary Tale" instead of just "Space Relations"? All of the external ID records for this pub show the long form. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:28, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
: Yes. Noted only on the title page. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 00:23, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Beyond Lies the Wub - TOC order ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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I see that you are the PV for the 1990 edition of Grafton's "Beyond Lies the Wub" (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274738).<br />
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In pursuing another project, I noticed that the titles in this edition are organized in alphabetical order, with no title order information listed.<br />
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I am prepared to be wrong, but a later printing of this Grafton edition by Harper Voyager (Internet Archive) shows a title order that matches the other editions of the Grafton version.<br />
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I'd be happy to re-order them to match and make sense, but I'd like your confirmation that the order shown is not correct. Other versions I have seen start with "Preface", "Introduction", "Stability" and end with "Nanny" and "Notes".<br />
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Thanks for your help.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 21:35, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
: That's fine and yes order is as you state. I'm guessing it's in alphabetical order due to their being no page numbers associated with the content. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 00:39, 4 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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::My thanks for the confirmation. I will take care of that. <br />
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I am used to some changes in order between different versions of anthologies, especially from different publishers. However, this seemed rather random, and when I checked I saw no page numbers or order numbers which I assume led to a default alphabetical order. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 10:48, 4 March 2022 (EST)<br />
: They are not exactly random - there is no order really so the order is based on the IDs inside of the table where the pub/title connections are and the title IDs themselves. So as a rule, if you want the order to stay, always use piped numbers. We tried to change the order to alphabetical a few years back with disastrous results - in most omnibuses and anthologies, the default order works well enough - it is when things get merged/imported later when the order gets out of whack. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:29, 4 March 2022 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. Interesting, and good to know. I'll fix it anyway.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 18:57, 4 March 2022 (EST)<br />
::: The short advice is: Always use page numbers (piped or not - depending on the format and what you know) when you know the order in a book ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:03, 4 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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My apologies. <br />
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One more question on the TOC for the Grafton 1990 "Beyond Lies the Wub"<br />
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Upon looking at this version, it includes the "Foreword" by Steven Owen Godersky. I don't see that in the other Grafton versions of "Beyond Lies the Wub". Can you confirm for me if it is present or not in this edition? Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:04, 6 March 2022 (EST)<br />
: No it contains no such Foreword. Only a Preface by Dick and Introduction by Zelazny. p.501-510 are Notes. Edited to place your addendum here instead of a new section. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:43, 6 March 2022 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for both things. I'll take care of that edit. I appreciate your help.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:09, 6 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Amarant ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514408; I changed all dates except that of original edition to original edition's date. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:06, 4 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ellison Essay ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20843; Hard to believe a Harlan Ellison collection wouldn't have page #'s entered but I found one and entered them from an eBay copy, [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/cZgAAOSwxfVhgCNw/s-l1600.jpg]; however, the essay "Motherhood..." doesn't appear on the contents page. If you as PV still have the book maybe you can enter # of it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:25, 6 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Destination: Void ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5264139 this submission]: We already have an entry for the 1985 reprinting {{P|233153|here}}. Your entry would seem to be a duplicate. Am I missing something? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:48, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes. As my note made clear my copy has a black Penguin sticker with higher prices stuck on the back obscuring the lower price. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 01:33, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
::I saw that. Is the sticker clearly the publisher's or is it a bookseller's that just added the publisher's name? We don't create new records based on "aftermarket" pricing. If it's the publisher's, then there is a case for it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:30, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: As I clearly stated in my previous reply "a black Penguin sticker" - i.e. the sticker is clearly the publishers. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:46, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::I created a [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Publisher_Pricing_Stickers|Community Portal post]] to gather feedback on how we want to handle this case. You are welcome to participate. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:16, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Forest of Forever ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5264148 this submission]: You removed "First printing as per copyright page." from the publication notes. Was that intentional? Does your publication not have that statement? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:50, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
: No my publication does not specifically have the words "first printing" on the copyright page hence why I edited the notes to reflect the publication history that was actually printed. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 01:31, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
::While it's possible Hauck made an error, he was usually pretty conscientious. Since he's no longer around to ask, we will have to accept that there was a version that stated first printing. You should clone instead and make a note that there is no printing statement in your addition. I have rejected the edit. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:20, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Except my copy is exactly the same edition as the one lited. Hauck may have used the words "First printing" to mean first Mayflower printing but even then as stated those specific words do not appear on copyright page so I don't see why I shouldb be required to clone an identical publication. Hpowever I will do so. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:42, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::The existing publication note states that the publication specifically stated it was a first printing. You are stating that your publication does not. That's a big difference. While it could be Hauck made a mistake, it is also possible you have a reprint. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:12, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::: No I definately do not have a reprint. Publication details are as stated - Mayflower 1975 no other additional printing stated on copyright page so it cannot be a reprint. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:16, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::::Okay, I have asked for a second opinion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:20, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::::: In the last few weeks I was told by another moderator that he used "Stated first printing" in the past when there was no number line but there was a "First Statement: January 1975" for example on the title page - in the few cases I moderated, most of the other PVs were still active as well so we got to the bottom of what the case is. <br />
::::::: It had made me wonder how many of our old "First printing per copyright page" notes are not essentially "First printing because the copyright page does not list any others and that publisher always does for a reprint" instead of actual "first printing specifically stated" notes. And this note is from before 2013 for sure so who knows... Considering all of that, I think that editing the note to read: "PV1 noted "First printing as per copyright page." but there is no printing statement on the copyright page so the statement possibly means that there is no information for later printings" or something along these lines and keeping that as a single publication is a better idea. I don't mind us cloning either - but that being 1975 publication, chances are that there is indeed just one of those around. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:48, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: PS: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420273 See this] for how Mayflower notes reprints... (just as a example). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:50, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::Sounds good. I have unrejected the submission, approved, and added the note. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:52, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
(Unindent) Thanks for your quite thorough investigation. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 01:25, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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==Aldiss / Earthworks==<br />
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I am editing / PVing Aldiss's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274946 Earthworks]. I will change the author's name from "Brian W. Aldiss" to "Brian Aldiss" as stated on title page and add notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:41, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The book of Frank Herbert ==<br />
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Hi, I've accepted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5278749 your submission], but changed the publisher back to Panther / Granada (for now). I believe it should be either Panther, or Panther / Granada, not just Granada. 'Published by Panther Books 1977' means exactly what it says, hence the reversal :). I've added / Granada as Panther [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?12701 was acquired in 1968 by Granada]. Do not hesitate to ask other moderators their opinion if you would disagree. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:23, 6 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:At that date it is tricky to determine. Some entries are "Granada" for that date others "Panther" and a third set "Panther / Granada". I made a note that it has "Granada" on the spine. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:55, 6 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Unteleported Man ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?230441<br><br />
My copy says Australia&New Zealand $2.75<br><br />
but it also says Reprinted (Magnum Books) 1979 - do I have a reprint? --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 14:35, 21 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
: The answer is no - you have the same edition as I do. The other prices in the notes are not correct. They are indeed $2.75 Aus & NZ. Plus the notes don't provide enough publication details either. I'll edit the record to add that and correct the erronious other prices. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:39, 21 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Fantastic :) --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 17:32, 22 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Chris Foss: Easter Island pic reused for Serbian anthology? ==<br />
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Hi, you've got a few Chris Foss artbooks PVed - including the portfolio poster set, which I had at the time, but have long since lost/misplaced. Am I right in thinking that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2171655 Easter Island] aka Visitors from Outer Space: Easter Island is the same image as used on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2785618 a 1998 Serbian anthology]? I'm wary of making the latter a variant given we don't have the actual image on file for the former (due to it being logged as INTERIORART), and I know he has at least one other [https://retroscifiart.tumblr.com/post/133187975215/another-easter-island-classic-from-chris-foss spaceship over Easter Island picture] that it could be confused for. That latter one with a black spaceship is much less familiar to me than the one on the Serbian anthology, so I'd guess it's the Easter Island one, but would definitely prefer to have confirmation. Cheers [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 13:30, 17 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Just checked my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?497274 Foss Poster Portfolio] (I don't have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?335222 The Chris Foss Portfolio]). The image [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2171655 Easter Island] is indeed the same image as the Serbian anthology. I've submitted an edit for the varianting --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:31, 17 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Great, thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 07:01, 18 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== That Hideous Strength ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?214589<br><br />
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Does your front cover display the red 2'- mark? Mine does not. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 12:04, 20 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes it does have the price 2/- in a red circle bottom right front cover. Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:58, 20 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Then I am very curious to what is different between our two editions. This is my copyright page [https://upload.vaa.red/jwsiQ#a193bda3d5180554a316160ba43c1429]. My edition is missing price tag. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 15:11, 20 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes very curious. The price isn't a sticker either but printed on the cover. Perhaps clone the record and note your edition doesn't have the printed price in a red roundel on the cover - or post a message to one of the Community wiki pages. That's all I can suggest. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:36, 20 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Celestial Steam Locomotive ==<br />
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Hi, I stumbled on [https://www.artmajeur.com/ian-hopkins?page=5 this] page which shows the original art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36898 The Celestial Steam Locomotive] as well as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6338 Cat Karina] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15661 Gods of the Greataway]. The artist nicknames himself Rikkihop and states he's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25993 Richard Hopkinson]. So let's just ignore the "ian-hopkins" in the url, right? (Already submitted the second, the first got lost, then the site refused further communication). [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 11:11, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I found your note on Dirk Broer's Talkpage and since those changes hadn't been made I went ahead and made the edits - which are still waiting in my pending queue. Looks like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13142 Fang the Gnome] is by the same artist but isn't on the website you linked. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:11, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Aliens Among Us ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326206 this] is David Jackson, the incomplete signature in the lower right corner is part of the DJ signature visible on [https://www.ebay.fr/itm/275177135816?hash=item4011d5dec8:g:S-0AAOSwDb5fQ4oy La Famille] (the backcover credits Jackson). [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 16:36, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cardography ==<br />
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Changed the artist on your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6109 Cardography] from Leslie Comer to Leslie Newcomer. I believe that was just a typo. Leslie Newcomer is a recognized artist on ISFDB and works for Hypatia (she is related to the publisher, Alan Bard Newcomer).[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:56, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:You are right. If that was my error I'll hold my hands up to it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:57, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== More Rejects That Shouldn't Be ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5336123; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5336124; Even though your note says not to inform you about minor changes, this mod rejected these minor changes anyway, so I'll ask you. Is it OK to add pub. series to one of those records and fix the other record where the word "Series" was left off the pub. series? I mean, it does say Writers of the 21st Century Series on both covers. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:30, 11 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes it's perfectly alright --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 23:55, 11 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== No Direction Home ==<br />
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Is cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?302359 this] given as W. F. Phillips, or as W. F. Phillipps? In the first case, it should be varianted to W. F. Phillipps with 2 p's. Thanks! [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 18:09, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: PHILLIPPS --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 00:22, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Falcons of Narabedla ==<br />
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Can you check the final sentence of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?640300 this publication]? I'm trying to establish if it contains the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1946 1957 magazine version] or the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040549 1964 expanded version]. The final sentence of both versions are in the title notes. Thanks for checking, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:04, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: And while you're at it: please do an estimate of the word count, as it does seem we have at least two versions of ''Falcons of Narabedla'', and both seem to be novellas: in the process, do take discount of the greater plaques of empty space at the beginnings & ends of the chapters. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:09, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: There is no need to do an estimated word count. The only important question is which version of the text it is. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:14, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: My copy ends "I heard it, drew a deep breath and then put my arm around Cynara, calling to Adric to come and share it with me" thus it';s the expanded version. 150 pages - less 6 which are totally blank and allowing for another 2 for the spare spaces - so 142 pages. 34 lines of text per full page at between 8 and 12 words per line - so say 310 words per page - makes that around 44,000 words. Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:16, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thank you. That makes it definitely the 1964 expanded version. Your word count is even higher than mine. I'll return the publication to the right titlerecord. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:23, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: My word count is probably over estimated given that not all pages are totally filled with text --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:25, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I had come to an average of about 254 words per page, with an absolute high of 266 words on one page in my sample, and with an overall majority seeming to lie just beneath or around 250 words a page: the reason for this seems to lie in not discounting the empty space and the shorter lines (for example of dialogue and paragraph endings). I think the right way to do it is to actually count the words on representative sample pages (and discount unused space of chapter endings & beginnings). Thus, the word count estimate does lie beneath the threshold of 40,000 words: at 37,772 for the high point page, at 36,608 for the average, and even below that for the 'impressionist' average. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:59, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Spellsinger cover artist credits ==<br />
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When using a secondary source, you need to state the source in the publication notes, not just in the moderator notes. This is especially true for verified pubs. I have added the source for the cover to the three Spellsinger pubs. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:11, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Except it was not from a secondary source. As my note clearly explained it came from another edition with the same artwork where it was credited.--[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:55, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
::That is a secondary source. The primary source is only the pub of that specific record. If data comes from anything else, it is a secondary source. The source needs to be stated in the pub notes even when pulling the data from another edition. Especially in cases like {{P|314982|this one}} where the primary pub notes are "Artist not credited." Without the source for where the cover artist credit comes from, there would be a conflict between the pub notes and the existence of the credit. Also, for these covers, the {{P|130571|edition}}, you took the credit from did not credit the artist either. It's source is {{T|102622|Heroic Dreams}}. I added the original source to each one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:43, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Death Reign of the Vampire King ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375808 this] is Tony Masero, see [https://www.facebook.com/masero.illustration/ his Facebook page].<br />
: Alrighty. Since it was a transient copy I'll leave you to edit the entry. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:22, 25 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Evil People ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?309742 The Evil People] has the same cover art as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?422468 Skeleton Keys: Tales from the Edge of the Chair] credited on back cover to Lombadaro, which should be, based on style, Joseph Lombardero. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 10:36, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks Horzel. I'll leave you to edit that. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:58, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?176711 S Is For Space] ==<br />
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The cover you uploaded actually belongs to the other Pan edition on ISFDB, per prices on back cover; that edition already has a cover uploaded by someone 5 years ago, but it doesn't display on the Wiki page because the dimensions are just over 600. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:39, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Right I've changed my verification to the correct edition but when i tried to upload an image for this edition it seemed not to want to change the image filename from SSFRSPCPSP1966.jpg --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:56, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Evil People ==<br />
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Hi. The variant already exists[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2999830]. This submission would create a variant of it's self[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5353508].[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 16:49, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Ah right yeah I had a bit of difficulty figuring out which original to variant but I see it's already been done so all good. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:56, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Harlan Ellison Hornbook ==<br />
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Hi, a submission looks to fix a possible spelling mistake The Harlan Ellison Hornbook[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5351381] can you check your copies. I've messaged the other PV. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:51, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Submitter is correct - should be 'angrier' --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 23:43, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 00:23, 3 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Art of Magic: The Gathering - Kaladesh ==<br />
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Hi. Your note indicated that you want to remove the interior art record but this is an update with no change[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5353522]. If you want to remove content select "Remove Titles From This Pub", check the interior art record & submit or I can do it, but better if you do it. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:35, 3 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for the tip. I've now done it the way you suggested. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 23:46, 3 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Spacecraft in Fact and Fiction price ==<br />
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You have a note on you verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514670 copy] of ''Spacecraft in Fact and Fiction''. I was able to determine the price from the British Library and have added it along with the source, and some external identifiers. Please let me know if you have a problem with the changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:50, 10 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Bluesman, a PV no more, verified the Exeter American edition in 2018; a copy was uploaded in Dec. 2020 to Archive.org, so I added a link to that record (LCCN on OL doesn't work, though, and LCCN says the Brit edition was published by "Orbin"). --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:31, 10 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. No issues. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 00:04, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?836048 The Art of NASA] inclusion ==<br />
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Hi Mavmaramis <br />
<br />
Regarding your question about the addition of ''The Art of NASA''. The book won a Locus award for "Best Art or Illustrated Book". I would have to dig through the help files, but I believe that there is an exception that allows books that are nominated or win a genre award to be included, though I never apply this exception for graphic novels or comics. Hope this answers your question. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:02, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Early on, we entered a number of otherwise ineligible (non-genre and non-fiction) books because:<br />
::* they had been nominated for genre awards, or<br />
::* they had been reviewed in a genre magazine<br />
:: The latter rule was later explicitly changed and the new rule was documented in [[Template:PublicationInfo:WhatToInclude]]:<br />
::* Reviews of media products (films, TV shows, games, music and dramatized recordings), stage productions, magazines and fanzines (regardless of their genre), and books that are not eligible for inclusion in the database (graphic novels, nongenre novels by authors that are below the threshold, nonassociational nonfiction works), should '''not''' be entered into the "Reviews" section of the data entry form. A record should be created in the "Regular Titles" section typed as ESSAY.<br />
:: I don't recall us explicitly changing the rule for otherwise non-genre works with genre nominations, but the only time that the current version of [[ISFDB:Policy]] mentions awards is in the context of Web publication, where it says:<br />
::* Online publications available exclusively as a Web page [are included] but only if [...] shortlisted for a major award<br />
:: In addition, this particular case is complicated by the fact that ''some'' illustrations are apparently SF-related, although most aren't. We may want to clarify this issue on the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:58, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Alrighty thanks. I'm guessing it won that award after 12 November 2020 when Annie stated that it would not be eligable. Also on another note I notice [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?825393 this] has also been added which I've owned since it was first published but again I assumed it would not be eligable as it's Russian magazine illustrations of a sci-fi nature. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:49, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Incredible Melting Man ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?345061; I added the month from copyright page seen on eBay. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:26, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Tuck Numbering ==<br />
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Hi Mavmaramis <br />
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Another editor has changed the page count for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?209269 Tuck Volume 2] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?209273 Tuck Volume 3] from (8)+(244) to [8]+244 and (8)+(389) to [8]+389 respectively. The page numbering continues across all three volumes of Tuck and I suspect that was the reason for the non-standard numbering. These volumes also have a note explaining the continued numbering of those pages for the Arabic numbers. I don't think that the bracketed count for the pages with Roman numbers is correct. The brackets imply that the pages are not numbered. I would like to change the page count to give the number of pages using Roman numbers (viii+244 for 2 and viii+389 for 3) I would also update the note to explain the continued numbering ([xiii] to xx for 2 and [xxi] to xxviii for 3). I would also adjust the note for Volume 3 to indicate the start of the Arabic numbered pages as [231] (the page that would be 231 is a section title page and has no number). You have verified one or both of these books. Would you have any objections to my proposed changes? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:46, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Not at all. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:04, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Monsters ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5377474; I added page numbers to the Methuen edition (they're the same as the Magnet edition, but contents were all out of order so numbering them will fix that); I assume they match your PV copy. However, since they end on 166, is the page count of 128 correct? Shouldn't it be 166 like Magnet's? --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:40, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Supernatural Omnibus ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?449209; I added stories' #'s from photos on Dalby's site, but the last 2 #'s weren't photographed properly so I couldn't enter them; also, there are a few stories on the contents pages that aren't in the contents entered on ISFDB, "Brickett Bottom" and "How the Third Floor Knew the Potteries". --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:49, 1 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mists of Avalon ==<br />
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I intended to hold [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5376553 this submission] but approved it by accident. You will see I immediately deleted the created pub record. We don't record separate printings of book club editions. You just detail any differences in the existing record. In this case, a change in catalogue number, and no 'gutter code' indicating a printing subsequent to mid-1987. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:45, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I can't prove my copy is a Book Club edition, plus the dustwrapper is substantially different. There are many differences between my copy and the Knopf Book Club edition which won't seperate the two merely by adding notes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:44, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: If I may chime in - a gutter code change (or lack of) is indeed a reprint (and we note these into the notes only) but a change in the catalog number is a new release usually - we use the catalog number as an ID for these books after all and a change in that will mean that the old value CANNOT stay in the Catalog ID field as it is incorrect for some editions lumped into that record now - ergo we need a new record for it... Just thinking aloud here. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:29, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Well either accept my original submission and reject the edits I've made to the Knopf/SFBC edtion or vice versa. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:36, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: As the original submission was approved and then the book deleted, it cannot be re-approved I am afraid (we can unreject but as this was not a reject, it does not apply)... So if we decide we want a new book (which I think is the case ), someone will need to redo it again from scratch. Give us some time to sort out what we want to do here? Talking through things helps finding the best solution usually. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:41, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::: Right I've now re-submitted the one that Scifibones deleted. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:00, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Checking [[Help:How to enter a SFBC publication]], I see that it says:<br />
::::::* It is the current practice to create only one record for each title, and include any gutter codes (if present) in the Notes field. '''A new record is created if the identification number or ISBN changes''', as this usually indicates a new edition of the title (as the case of The Demolished Man referenced above.) [emphasis added]<br />
:::::: It looks like this case falls under the "A new record is created if the identification number ... changes" rule.<br />
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:::::: BTW, I see that the linked Help page hasn't been modified since we created a separate "Catalog ID" field and still says things like:<br />
::::::* If no ISBN is printed on the title verso (copyright) page, you may use the number located on the dustjacket, preceded by a pound sign (#).<br />
:::::: We'll want to have it cleaned up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:17, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Other than the catalogue number, it looked like just a later reprint. If the intent of our standards is to define a new catalogue number as a new edition, then this qualifies. I tend to think a new edition is when you see printed by 'Berryville Graphics' or 'Quality Printing', etc. Perhaps a page count difference. Either way, edits to the original submission were going to be necessary. I'm sorry Mavmaramis has to reenter some information, but I'm glad to see this discussed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:27, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: It's fine. My intial thought was that it was substantially different enough from the other Knopf/SFBC edition as to warrent a new entry. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:35, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== British currency ==<br />
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Hi - [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Price the rules] say "''Note that between about 1968 and 1971, British books were usually printed with both pre-decimal and decimal prices. In these cases enter only the pre-decimal price, as the decimal price was not the currency used at the time of printing, but was printed in case...''". So, I've reverted your edits that entered the decimal price in the following edits: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380012], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380011], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380010], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380009]. I may have inadvertently approved other edits of yours where you updated the price to decimal currency of 1970-ish UK publications - if you could have a look? Sorry about that. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:15, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:The only issue I can see is if the edition has both an old and a new price but is not dated for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588887 Tros] so which one should go in the price and which in the notes ?. I'll swap the prices round for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?307518 Helma]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?307519 Liafail] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274871 Helene] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:31, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I think it's a safe bet that also for Tros the pre-decimal prices apply. You could add notes to clarify. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:17, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: I've swapped the prices round for all four of the Talbot Mundy Tandem editions and put the new UK price into the notes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:28, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragonlance Atlas ==<br />
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Hi Mavmaramis <br />
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While adding external IDs to your verified copy of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279092 Atlas of the Dragonlance World]''. I noticed that both Worldcat and Reginald3 give the title with the initial article i.e. "'''The''' Atlas of the Dragonlance World". Further, I see that "The" is present on the cover scan, above the decorative border. I see that Locus1 omits it, which is probably why we have it that way. Could you check the title page and see if "The" is present there? I'll also note that the Penguin reprint has the initial article in Locus1 and I'm going to change the publication record. However, I won't unmerge it and make a variant yet in case your investigations show that the title match. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:29, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Title page definately has "The", same typeface as the cover. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:12, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Porges [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?276919 Tarzan] ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/edgarriceburroug0001porg; You seem to be the only active PV, so I'm letting you know that someone uploaded one of the volumes in 2020 in case you want to do anything more or add a link here or something. The date is October here even though the book says September (as does note here), so that might need fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:41, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I meant add an Archive link in the book's ISFDB record, not a link in this message. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:46, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I added that so I would know which publication you were referring to. If the book states publication month is September I have no idea why date was changed to October. If you feel it neccessary to add a link to the Archive feel free to do so but I won't be doing so. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:49, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: There's only 1 book published by Porges about Tarzan that you PV, and I linked the Archive copy, so I think it was pretty obvious what book I was referring to; I was trying to be nice by not messing with your verification, especially since the uploaded copy seems to be just 1 volume, not 2, and I thought you as the only currently active PV would like to know about it so you could check and see if anything differs from your copy, add a link to the Archive.org copy so people can actually read this rare book, etc. At the very least I'd think the date should be fixed. But you don't seem interested, so forget it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:21, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Still helpful to link to the ISFDB entry even if there is only the one book. Not sure why you can't simply add that information to the notes as it won't substantially change any other information and will in no way "mess[ing] with your verification" as you put it. Not going to scroll through a digital copy and compare it with the copy I have just in case there heppens to be differences. I have a physical copy and that's all that matters to me - digital copies are of no interest to me. If anyone wishes to compare the physical copy to the one on Archive then they are free to do so but I won't be doing that. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:43, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Puffin Science Ficition Galaxy ==<br />
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Re {{P|902897|A Puffin Science Ficition Galaxy}}: Is Fiction misspelled on the pub title page or is this a database error? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:49, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:It's a typo. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:48, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Fixed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:51, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Eye of the Lens ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269391; Someone uploaded Savoy ed. to Archive.org in Nov. 2020, page count is 164, not 173, and price is on back, 1.25, with New Zealand and Canada prices, too. Does all that jibe with your PV copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:55, 10 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Last numbered page is 164 but there are 12 unnumbered pages after that containing adverts for other Savoy publications. Prices stated match with what's printed on the back of my copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:04, 10 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== David Owen(s) - Fantastic Planets ==<br />
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Just stumbled across [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294833 this], which you have PVed. I'm pretty sure this is a different guy from the YA/kids author of the same name with some 2017-2022 titles, who [https://www.davidowenbooks.com/meet-david.html doesn't look old enough to have been writing in the late 70s]. Any objection to splitting these up? There are also a couple of 1980 & 1982 poems that I imagine should also go with the Fantastic Planet author.<br />
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BTW, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1022807 the title note] (written by other editors) for Fantastic Planets says "Text by David Owen'''s'''" (my emphasis) possibly indicating a different name? (Although I see the cover image has "Owen".) Any idea where that might have come from e.g. is there a different name on the copyright page etc? Cheers [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 15:13, 12 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:"Text by David Owen" on title page (no 's'). Highly unlikely to be the same author as those 2017-20 titles. As to where the (erronious) note came from I have no idea, the edit history may well reveal that. I'd say splitting them woud be very wise. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:18, 12 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks - have now shifted all the newer titles & pubs over to "David Owen (YA author)". [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 16:20, 12 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Looks good to me. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:08, 12 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Survey of Science Fiction Literature ==<br />
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{{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} reprints two reviews that originally appeared in <i>Survey of Science Fiction Literature</i>:<br />
*{{T|3068564|Camp Concentration}} from {{P|516456|Survey of Science Fiction Literature: Volume One}}<br />
*{{T|3068565|The Fifth Head of Cerberus}} from {{P|444799|Survey of Science Fiction Literature: Volume Two}}<br />
I would like to import these into the original volumes which you have verified without contents. Can you please check that these are present and provide the page numbers? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:29, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Right Camp Concentration appears on pages 277-282 of Volume 1. The Fifth Head of Cerberus appears on pages 770-775 of Voilume 2. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:49, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks, appreciated. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:55, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Supernatural Omnibus Vol. 2==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?486591; I added a link to the Archive copy and the page numbers, plus intro which isn't in the contents. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:17, 15 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== New Writings in SF-18 ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346241 this] is Dean Ellis, see [https://grapefruitmoongallery.com/24001 grapefruitmoongallery.] [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 18:07, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Duplicate Content Records ==<br />
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Please remember that when you type the contents to a publication and those titles already exist in the database, you are creating duplicate title records. You need to either:<br />
*Import the contents instead of typing them: To do this, enter the publication without contents and then once approved, use the "Import Content" option on the publication page and then use Option 2 on the import screen to enter the IDs of the contents. This is the preferred way.<br />
*Merge the contents: If you are going to type them in, once the pub is approved, you need to go back and use the "Check for Duplicate Titles" option on the publication page and merge the duplicate records.<br />
I have merged the contents for {{P|798239|Leigh Brackett Super Pack}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:19, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Cooper / News from Elsewhere ==<br />
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I will be editing and PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293398 News from Elsewhere]. I will add pub notes and correct the title of the story "Judgement Day" to "Judgment Day" which is an existing variant. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 14:16, 22 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Sounds good to me. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:05, 22 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Roger Robinson / Hale & Gresham Hardback Science(-)Fiction ==<br />
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I will soon edit and PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514176 Hale & Gresham Hardback Science Fiction] and propose to 1) change the title by inserting a hyphen, as per title page 2) change the format from "tp" to "ph" 3) add pub notes. Is this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 18:34, 25 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes. Format shouldn't be tp as it's a stapled affair. I actually got my copy from Roger who sent it to me along with the copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88427 Who's Hugh] I'd sent to him duly inscribed. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 20:21, 25 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Space-O-Matic ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?820084; This page, https://fantlab.ru/user13240/blogpage1, shows the full cover with artwork on the back; does yours have the same and, if so, shouldn't the full cover be uploaded? --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:11, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: If it were wraparound (i.e. one piece of art) then yes. In this case the rear portion is a totally different piece of art so no (IMO). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 23:15, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: OK, thanks for your reply. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:27, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Readability & formatting changes ==<br />
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Hi. Concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5408390 this submission] of yours. If it's already there it is better to keep the bulleted lists in notes, rather than removing them, as it will benefit legibility. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:22, 31 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Bulleted list wasn't there to begin with. If you're so concerend about readability you're free to go change every other entry on ISFDB that doesn't have a bulletted list. As far as I'm concerned it's readable either way. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 09:29, 31 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Well, it was bulleted (not visible anymore in the history after I'd approved your submission - look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5351434 last but one submission]). Your mileage may vary, but it is recommended to stick with what's already there (unless it's a real mess) as much as possible. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:33, 31 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Eh, looked at the history some more, and yup, it has seen a bit of a back and forth across multiple edits... [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:35, 31 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== His Dark Materials ==<br />
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Are you ok with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5392838 this pub series added] to your transiently PV'd publication? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:42, 31 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Guess so but since it was transient I no longer have the copy to verify. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:12, 31 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: OK, thanks. I've approved it. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:30, 31 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: It is not neccessary to inform me about such changes especially in regards to transient verifications. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:02, 31 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Who's Who in Star Trek ==<br />
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Someone just added Reginald ID to your PV, and while looking at it I noticed several things I could add/fix; I know it's transient but just letting you know in case you disagree with anything; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5414756. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:32, 8 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Seriously. You don't need to leave me messages about this kind of thing. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:07, 9 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== 21st Century Foss ==<br />
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You pv'd [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?513509 this edition] of 21st Century Foss. I think it is rather a mess. It contains 17 German titles, a duplicate (page 94) and maybe more strange things. Would you mind if I remove all contents and import the contents of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?266880 the 1978 edition]? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 14:32, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Should be carful mind. I have a distinct memory of comparing the Dragon's Dream paperback edition from a library with that of the BCA one I own and found differences - captions I think but can't remember exactly the nature of the differences. I really should upload a full cover scan (back and front) of my copy at some point. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:45, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Ok. Shall I then remove the German titles and the duplicate on page 94? All the originals of the German titles are already present. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:20, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Fine. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:36, 20 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! Contents should be ok now, but please check if you have the time. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 04:29, 20 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Cooper (Richard Avery) / The Deathworms (Death Worms) of Kratos ==<br />
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I need to notify 5 active PVs of changes I propose to make to the above title. The details of the changes are on my talk page [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Teallach#Edmund_Cooper_.28Richard_Avery.29_.2F_The_Deathworms_.28Death_Worms.29_of_Kratos here]. If you wish to comment, could you please do so on my talk page so that we keep the whole conversation in one place. Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:08, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== John Varley / Titan (map & diagram) ==<br />
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I am drawing your attention to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#John_Varley_.2F_Titan_.28map_.26_diagram.29 this topic] on the Community Portal which affects a pub that you have PVd. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:31, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. I've read that topic - indicating two seperate interior art pieces would be the most lofical way to go (for me at least). If that feels klike a bit of a daunting task to you - well you opened that can of worms. Make whatever edits you feel neccessary. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:31, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Pirates of Venus ==<br />
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Cover artist of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312293 this] is almost certainly not Roy Carnon, the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107671 1973 ed] has an incorrect reference to [https://www.erbzine.com/mag7/0748.html erbzine.com]. Only the 1960s Four Square editions are by Carnon. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 17:38, 18 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Space 2 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31366; A copy of Space 6 was recently uploaded to Archive.org, so after adding a link here I checked the other volumes and saw that #2 was PV by you but the contents' #'s weren't entered, but there is a snippet view copy on Google Books. I got most of the numbers, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5468447, but couldn't get Klein's or Cleaver's. So if you still have your copy and can fill in those numbers, great, or if you want to add all of them I can always cancel my edit, since it will probably be a long while before anyone gets around to approving it. Also, I couldn't find the price (maybe cover is missing on Google's copy, since it's on the front flap in Space 6), and Bulmer's story is by Ken, not Kenneth, since a search for Kenneth found nothing. Finally, I don't know who entered the month, but it wasn't added to the original stories, so if it was you then you may want to add that, too. If you'd rather not do any of this, at least most of the numbers will still be added once my edit's approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:34, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Dustwrapper of my copy is price clipped, hence why no price. I don't add months unless it's printed in the book or my copy happens to have a review slip (or some other thing). No idea why edits are taking so long to be moderated (mine were sat in a queue for nearly a month). Hey ho. As for page numbering of contents, in general I don't do it unless it's for a totally new publication not already listed. I may add at some point but don't hold your breath. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 10:44, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::OK, thanks. I see now that Google's copy does have a cover (partially visible if you search for a word that's on the flaps), but maybe it's price-clipped like yours, which is why searching for words like NET and UK got nothing. Also, I think I got 127 as the page for Cleaver's story, but Google has a habit of not displaying search results after a certain amount, so I think I'll be able to extract the other 2 numbers later. I also noticed that you PV the PB, and it's Ken Bulmer there, too (eBay photo of contents), so maybe you can make a variant. The delay in approvals is probably due to the move to a new server and the resulting fake accounts and many bugs that need to be blocked/fixed, so I don't think non-mod edits are their top priority right now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:00, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: My paperback copy is buried and i'd have to move furniature to get to the bookcsse its in so can't confirm or deny of Bulmer's name is 'Ken' or 'Kenneth' --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:25, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick / The Game-Players of Titan ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?166461 The Game-Players of Titan] and propose to change the date from 1977-00-00 to 1977-06-00 and add a pub note stating the source: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360808 Galactic Central Bibliography]. I will also add the month to the associated records. I will be adding the month to several other PKD books in the near future. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:42, 30 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: No problem. Go ahead with your edits. You don't need to inform me about them, thanks. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:13, 31 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick / Dr(.) Bloodmoney ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?230805 Dr. Bloodmoney] and propose to 1) change the title from "Dr. Bloodmoney" to "Dr Bloodmoney" as per title page 2) add notes about the different variations of the title in different places within the book 3) import the existing record for the interiorart on page 1 (it's the same as the 1965 Ace 1st ed). Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 12:28, 2 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
: All good. I remind you once again that it is not neccessary for you to post this kind of message to my talk page. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:54, 2 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Warcraft Atlas ==<br />
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There is an Archive.org copy, uploaded in 2011, https://archive.org/details/worldofwarcrafta00brad, of your 2015 PV, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514381; you also uploaded the cover in 2018 and nobody's touched this book since then. I noticed the price is on the rear in the barcode, $29.99, so I'm going to add the Archive link and the price, unless you disagree. This page, https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/World_of_Warcraft_Atlas_(book), has the same price. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Can't do that as per the note "No printed price on the rear" unless you're interpreting the five digit number "52999" as being a price but there is no curreny is associated with that number. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 10:33, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I opened a discussion about this on Community Portal and 2 people, including a mod, agreed that is the price, so I'm going to add it with a note explaining that it only appears in the barcode. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Music of Many Spheres ==<br />
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I had to reject [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5482525 this one]:<br />
* We do not match the titles to other entries in the series - the title of the title record should match the title of the publication record which is what the title page of the book has (phew, too many different usages of the word title in one sentence)<br />
* We use simplified titles - we remove the series name from the title field of both the publications and the title records and instead have it in the series field.<br />
I am also confused what you were trying to match in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?9384 series] as the other books don't have the series name as part of the title either. Let me know if you have any questions. I will see if there are other submissions on these books in the queue - if so, if they are the same change, they will also be rejected for the same reasons. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:05, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Ah, I see, the publication titles. I will talk to the PVs (including my much younger and unexperienced self apparently) and sort these out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:07, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: I was gpoing with what's printed on the title pages of all three editions. Yes they all have "The Essential Hal Clement Volume x" on them. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:10, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Which is also the series name - in which case we add it to the title record as a series and not as part of the title fields. We will keep the series title there if the book does not have a separate title but these do. Hope that makes sense. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 00:31, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: If one is to record titles as printed on title page and the series title is part of that I don't get it. Maybe you could explain the logic there as I was have been entering data exactly as printed on title pages, which as far as I know, was the definitive place to take such information from. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:36, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: See [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Title the help page] and specifically this part: “Note that the title page may show the series name, and sometimes the publication's position in the series. The present (2018) usage is to enter only the "simplified" title, for example, you could enter the title for a publication as "Song of the Dragon" and the note would have "The title page states 'Song of the' over 'Dragon' over 'The annals of Drakis: Book One'."”. That rule applies here - the series name is on the title page but we don’t enter that into the title field and use the simplified title instead. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 01:11, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Changing contents of collection, "The Eye of the Lens" ==<br />
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Changing contents of collection, "The Eye of the Lens" [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39381] and also [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269391]; disambiguating short story "The Eye of the Lens" from novelette "The Eye of the Lens" which is a concatenation of the three short stories, "The Hall of Machines", "The Coming of the Sun", and "The Eye of the Lens"; if that's OK. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 01:11, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: No issues with that, please proceed. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:34, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Random Factor ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5496228; I didn't mess with the prices, but as I've been told more than once the rule on ISFDB is to enter the pre-decimal price in the field and the decimal price in the notes, so 25s should be the price and £1.25 should be in the notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:It's a transient verification so I don't have a copy of the book anymore to check. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:43, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: OK, I'll make another edit fixing the prices. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Horror: 100 Best Books ==<br />
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Hi Mavmaramis<br />
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Could I get you to double check the ISBN for the limited edition of ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514502 Horror: 100 Best Books]''. We have the same ISBN as the trade edition whereas Locus1 lists a different ISBN (0-947761-68-3). Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:08, 10 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:Copyright page has ISBN as 0-947761-37-3. But also states "Also published in a signed, limited edition of 300 copies" without reference to the ISBN you quoted from Locus1. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 10:03, 10 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for checking. I added a note about the Locus discrepancy. I also added the Worldcat number and the price from Locus1 and noted the source. Let me know if you have objections to any of those, and I can undo the change. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:43, 10 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::: All good. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:33, 11 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Nightfrights ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517776; A copy was just uploaded on Archive.org so I added a link in a pending edit, but you apparently imported contents from an earlier edition but the page numbers are wrong because this edition is much longer. So do you still have your copy to fix them or should I do it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:33, 12 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: You stated "but you apparently imported contents from an earlier edition". I did no such thing. My copy is buried and not easily accessable. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:42, 12 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: The only other editors in the edit history are Annie and me and we just did stuff with external ID's, so maybe it was pre-edit history or something, I don't know, I've only been here for 2 years. Anyway, I'll add page numbers in another edit since you can't right now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:37, 12 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Businessman ==<br />
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I draw your attention to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5489876 this edit] to change the format of your PV'd {{p|36677|The Businessman}} from pb to tp. Can you confirm this edit can be approved? (see also [https://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0586085629/isfdb-21]) Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 09:51, 4 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Format is indeed trade paperback. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:31, 4 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art ==<br />
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Hi Mavmaramis, have a look [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:BanjoKev#Cover_art here] Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:56, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: I have sent you an email to the address you gave so you can send it to me there. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 02:09, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Sent. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 05:41, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: Thank you. File downloaded. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 09:12, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Haldeman - Cosmic Laughter ==<br />
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Hi, you and I are PVs [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8045 here]. Looking at page 13, it's titled '''Bird,''' but on the contents page it's titled '''Bird!'''<br />
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Could you check yours if it's the same and, as titling is taken from "the body of the work" (titling Help), would you agree it should be changed to '''Bird,''' (remaining as variant to Spinrad's titles page)? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 11:50, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Can't as it was a transient verifaction so I no longer have the book. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:56, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Oh, sorry, I overlooked that. I'll change as above. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:17, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pan Edition of The Golden Torc ==<br />
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Hi Mavmaramis <br />
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It seems that we both own a copy of the 4th Pan printing of Julian May's ''The Golden Torc''. While you previously had verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310906 this record] in 2015, there was no mention at the time of which printing it was for. Since that record specified a month, and the 4th printing does not, I cloned a record to produce [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?798722 this one]. This has come up because [[User talk:Faustus#Deletion of May's The Golden Torc|an editor]] has submitted an edit to delete the record I have verified. The record you have verified has a publication date that includes the month, which is not in the book. The stated source is amazon.co.uk, but their current record for that ISBN has a January 1st date. We know from the 4th printing, that the first through fourth printings were all 1982. Do you have some reason to believe that the July date is for the 4th printing? I will say that the existence of the British Library number and the Worldcat number make me think that the record was intended for the first printing though there were no notes stating that. Please let me know what you think so we can figure out which of us should move our verification, and any other changes that should be made. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I never pay much attemtion to months as it's almost never in the actual publication. In this case you are lucky as the previous owner of my copy has written the date 5.1.82 in it. You can move my verification (and notes) from the July edition to yours. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:25, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Well, the date in your copy makes things a little different:<br />
::*Assuming that's a purchase date, then the 4th printing was published before May or January 1982. I'm not sure of the format of the date, but either way, it was published before the July date we have on the record.<br />
::*We have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?931695 5th Pan printing] verified with a 1983 date.<br />
::*We know from the notes in the book that the first printing was 1982.<br />
::*The source for the July 1982 date no longer shows that date.<br />
::I would recommend that we remove the month from the record currently marked as July 1982. We should also remove the note about the source of the month. If you don't mind moving your primary verification to the other record (I can't move it for you), then we could let [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310906 this] record server for the first printing adjusting the notes accordingly. My reason for suggesting this is that [[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] is no longer active and his Worldcat verifcation can't be moved to the other record. If you'd prefer not to move your verification, we could move the Worldcat and BL numbers (these should go with the first printing) and I could delete Bluesman's verification. I would also move my primary to the other record. Either way, we would adjust the notes on both records. Go ahead and move your verification if you agree to this, or let me know. I can take care of the other changes. Thanks for checking your copy. We'll get this sorted. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:27, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: Ok I've moved my verification and the notes to the one you have verified and also added a note re the puchase date in my copy - and yes it's almost certainly a purchase date as I know the previous owner (who gave me the book) very well - I worked with him for 20 years. It does mean, of course, that the 4th printing can't have been later than December 1981 given a purcase date of 5th Jan 1982. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:04, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Coverart for PKD's 'Three Early Novels' ==<br />
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I'm trying to verify that the coverart for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?230337 this] is indeed by Chris Moore (I'm about to enter a 2nd printing).<br />
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There's no mention in [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?237401 Journeyman] that I can see, nor in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?265349 Parallel Lines]. There're no contents for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13187 Fantasy Art of the New Millennium] so no clues there. Can you shed any light on this please? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:55, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: I don't own a copy of that book but I agree with the note that it is almost certainly by Chris Moore. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 09:15, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for the thought. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:08, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Credit in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301684 Sea Tales of Terror] ==<br />
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Hi! Would you be able to take a look into this anthology? One credit (for 'Man Overboard!' on p. 72) is for Vincente Blasco Ibáñez, but according to Wikipedia the author's first name is Vicente (no 'n' before the 'c'). This could be a typo that crept into the ISFDB record upon entering it or it could be a typo stated in the publication itself. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:30, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi Christain. Can confirm it's Vicente as printed on ToC and p.72. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 09:38, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for looking this up! I'll change the title accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:20, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Starchant ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1717828; Someone's been adding a lot of old Robert Hale books to Archive.org and this one says David Penny on title page, no G., so I fixed it in a (pending) edit. I assume yours says the same? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:46, 11 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Yes indeed mine is the same. The G. is however also on the spine of the boards. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:47, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pratchett & Gaiman / Good Omens ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15793 Good Omens] and would like to:<br />
<br>1) change the title to "Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch" as per title page<br />
<br>2) change page count to x+268<br />
<br>3) import existing content record "In the Beginning" to page vii<br />
<br>4) add explanatory pub notes about all this<br />
<br>Is this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:53, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Go right ahead. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:24, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Gene Wolfe / The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories and Other Stories ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?384433 The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories and Other Stories] and propose to correct the title of the story &lt;Cues&gt; to &lt;<nowiki>''</nowiki>Cues&gt; and add a pub note re the discrepancy with the ToC. It's the same as the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188993 Pocket first printing]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 14:09, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Telepathist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?126521; Should publisher be https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?29439 like it says on the title page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:24, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: You'd then be opening a can of worms in regards to all the other publications under 'Fontana' None of the others published in 1978 are Fontana / Collins. Up to you. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:55, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - The Caves of Steel ==<br />
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Hi, I'm adding the overseas pricing to the {{P|370408|1973 printing}}. Also specifying the spine text colours - Panther are always changing these (my 1973 has Asimov in green, my 1974 has it in blue). Please let me know if yours doesn't agree. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:57, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: My copy - Asimov on spine is more blue than green ("a full-length Asimov mystery" text on rear is green). Quite how you determine the difference between a faded green and a blue I know not. Other prices South Africa 85c; Singapore $3.50; Australia & New Zealand $1.10. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:15, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::I presume yours has Canada $1.25 as well. The difference green/blue is easy to see when the two spines are put together. Sounds like your's is a slightly lighter green than that on the back cover, as indeed mine is, so that makes them identical. The reason I'm going on about this is because another editor and I have identical printings of another Panther edition except for the fact that Panther have swapped the colours around. There are now two printings for that year. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:59, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Yes i missed the Canadian price. It's good your noting these details. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:20, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - Pirates of the Asteroids ==<br />
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Hi, I'm entering full set of notes for this {{P|161131|1973 edition}}. There shouldn't be any, but please let me know of any differences. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:10, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fred Gambino re: Asimov's - Foundation & Empire variant ==<br />
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Hello, I'm asking for help trying to sort out date accreditation for Fred's coverart. Could you have a look at this thread on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Asimov_-_Foundation_.26_Empire_variant Help Desk] and respond there if you can help. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:00, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Right the full Foundation Series illustration is in Fred's Ground Zero (pp.98-99) but no date given. It is one continuous piece of art that HarperCollins subesquent;y divided up into sections for the each book of the Foundatiom series. Publication date for Ground Zero is 2001. Other than contacting Fred Gambino himself (he's on Twitter) to see if he knows I can't help further. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:21, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Gothic Fantasies ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597853; I just entered page count and Archive.org link; you (I assume) noted there was no price so I left that blank and just made a note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:42, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Indeed there is no printed price on rear. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:44, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SF Special 1 & 2 ==<br />
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Copies just uploaded to Archive.org of the first 2 anthologies, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=sf+special&type=All+Titles, both titles were wrong so I fixed them to how they appear on title pages (Volume One, Volume Two) and added price (£3.95) to #1. Also, artist you entered for #1 just says design in the book while nothing was entered for #2, so maybe you should either enter an artist if they're credited in #2, remove artist from #1 and put him in the notes as designer, or put #1 and #2 in the notes, assuming #2 also says design and not art. SFE also had the cover for #3 so I added that, too, although you didn't work on that one so I assume you don't own it.--[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:34, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I'm currently holding these submissions. Do you agree with the changes? If so, I plan on importing the content titles as well. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:06, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: "Jacket design" has always caused issues. Sometimes it credits the artist (David Hardy, Jack Gaughan for example) as 'designer' so personally I don't see tghe issue with putting the desigger's name into the Cover Art field. Can confirm price for Volume One is £3.95 and that for Volume Two there is no credit for the dutwrapper desginer and/or artist printed on either flap. Also for Volume Two there is a copyright page for the omnibus but the two volumes have their own seperate title & copyright pages and are seperately paginated.--[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:26, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thank you for responding so quickly. Here are the updated publications [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?368294 New Writings in SF: Special One] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?368295 New Writings in SF: Special Two]. All good? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:10, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: As far as the notes for Volume One go "ISBN from WorldCat and Amazon; also on copyright page and back flap of Archive.org copy." Is this really necessary when the ISBN is printed in the book itself (rear flap of dustwrapper & copyright page) ? As for Volume One that is also seperately paginated but only New Writings in SF 22 has it's own seperate copyright pages with ISBN. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:27, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I agree with you on the note. Submit an edit and I will approve it. Remember, I don't have the ability to edit a submission, only approve, reject or hold. <br />
::::: I'm missing the point with your comment re: copyright page. It there a problem with the contents or how they are arranged? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:41, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Right let's see if I can make this simple. The two books are Omnibus editions. They are comprised of two seperate books bound together. In the case of Volume 1 "New Writings in SF 21" does not havits own copyright page with ISBN but "New Writings in SF 22" does. Each books has it's own page number - i.e. they don't run consecutvely. So NWSF22 starts at page 1. The same is ture for Volume 2 except that the omibus has a copyright page but so does the two books bound together each having a seperate copyright page and ISBN. Ditto in regar to the page numbering. Each volume being numbered seperately. Hope that makes things clear. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 17:17, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Lose the attitude, I'm trying to work with you. I know it is an OMNIBUS. Since you only included the container titles, I went ahead and imported the individual titles for each container. This is the correct way to handle an OMNIBUS. What exactly do you want to change? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:40, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Username is the one changing stuff here not me. All I was trying to do was explain the comments in regards to the copyright page in a clear and concise way. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:01, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I changed stuff because you entered stuff wrong. Not minor stuff, but stuff like entering the title of both books incorrectly. I also added the price to the first book, which you said above is the correct price, so why you didn't enter it yourself is a mystery. I also enter info about stuff like ISBN on copyright pages and flaps because other editors note that they got their info from external sites like WorldCat.org or Locus or wherever, all of them unreliable at best, so I like to rely on the book itself; the more notes the better. That's one of the many things I do here, fix the thousands and thousands of mistakes made by editors and approved by moderators in the 15 years or so before I started in 2021. There's still the question of how to enter cover credits for these books, whether designers should be entered as cover artists or just put in the notes, but that's up to you. Also it would help if you used spell-check or something similar because it's hard to parse what you're saying when you misspell half-a-dozen words in just a few sentences. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 02:37, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Mavmaramis, after reviewing this thread and the edit histories of the two publications it's clear that [[User:Username|Username]] added the note to Special One because of the existing note, 'ISBN from WorldCat and Amazon.' This note along with the ISBN was added two years subsequent to your verification. You may not remember or be aware it was added. He could not just remove the old note, hence his suggestion. You are the PV, let's change the note to something you're happy with. How about,<br />
::* For Special One: "All three anthologies reproduce the T-O-C from the original publications, but only SF 22 & SF 23 reproduce the title and copyright pages."<br />
::* For Special Two: "Both anthologies reproduce the T-O-C, title page & copyright page from the original publications."<br />
:: I see no need to specifically call out the ISBN. PV means you verify it's stated in the publication unless you add a note saying otherwise. Let me know when you submit your changes and I'll approve them. I regret any frustration this caused, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:11, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Missing content for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?271348 The Best of Isaac Asimov]? ==<br />
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Hi! From a German edition of this collection I do assume there are two afterwords for shortfiction pieces to be found in it ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3155717 this] would be one of it). Could you take a look? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:02, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Hello Christian. The answer is no. There is only an Introduction on p.7 and the Gerald Bishop essay on p.332. There are no essays present between any of the stoires in this edition. There is only an 'Afterword' (in italics) after the story The Dying of Night (on p.274) which merely realtes that the story was written in 1956 and that subsequent astronomical discoveries means Mercury does not keep one side always to the sun - it's three paragraphs - one long and two very breif ones (86 words in total - I counted them). Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:23, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Well, that does fit the German text! Only that there's another short afterword for "The Billiard Ball". Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:21, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: "Hurumph, hurumph, hurumph. I didin't get a hurumph ouut of that guy." Yes indeed you are correct about there being a short afterword after The Billiard Ball. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:05, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Space Travel ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606045; I assume 288 was just an entry error re: page count, right? Because linked copy is 273 and so says Library of Congress. EDIT: It seems from edit history that page count was entered long ago by someone unknown, but if you still have your copy you can at least say definitely it's 273. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:00, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Can confirm page count is indeed 273. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:03, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. Thank you. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:28, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?377490 Solar Wind] ==<br />
<br />
https://archive.org/details/solarwind0000jone; I was adding FantLab and LCCN ID to the original 1980 edition when I noticed that Archive.org copy was recently uploaded; I have a feeling it may be the same as your PV and, if so, I will add it as a link. So does yours have the 1989 reprint on the copyright page (date would need to be changed, of course)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:07, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The arvice org link you sent won't show me the copyright page however I can tell you my copy is definarely not a reprint. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:32, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Oh, I forgot you may not be logged on to their site and so can't see the whole book (when I can't log on for some reason I just use the search icon on the left and look for "copyright"); it has the 3 1980 dates you mention in your notes with another line after them, "Reprinted 1989", an £8.95 price on back cover, and the same ISBN as the 1994 edition. So I'm guessing it was probably reprinted a lot. I'll add it as a new edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:47, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ah right no I'm not logged onto archive org website. Mine as per notes has only the three 1980 copyright dates, no "Repinted 1989" and no price printed anywhere. And yes I would guess it was reprinted a few times and they would all have had the same ISBN. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:57, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Expired link ==<br />
<br />
Hi, I think [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Expired_Link this one is yours]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:21, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes. Links can, and do lead to webpages that no longer exist. It can be deleted. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:28, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Three Against the Witch World ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?328058<br><br />
Should this one be listed as a Universal-Tandem? --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 02:10, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes. Title page states "A Universal Book"; copyright pages states "Punlished in 1979 by Universal-Tandem Publishing Co Ltd"; Wyndham logo on rear cover. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:39, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Venture Science Fiction ==<br />
<br />
Regarding {{P|351109|Venture Science Fiction, November 1963}} & {{P|351374|Venture Science Fiction, January 1964}}: As the editor is not credited in the magazine, I have changed the editor credit to uncredited and then varianted to title record to Ronald R. Wickers. This is in keeping with our standards as crediting per the publication. I also fixed the link in the notes to the editor source as it was broken. Let me know if you have any questions. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:20, 8 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No questions. They're transient verifications anyway so I no longer have those items. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 10:25, 8 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== PKD - Dr Bloodmoney ==<br />
<br />
Hello Mavmaramis, regarding your PV for this {{P|230805|1977-10-00 edition}}, I propose changing the titling for the interior artwork from "Dr. Bloodmoney or How We Got Along After the Bomb • (1965-06-00) • interior artwork by Jack Gaughan" to "Dr Bloodmoney • (1977-10-00) • interior artwork by Jack Gaughan (variant of Dr. Bloodmoney or How We Got Along After the Bomb 1965-06-00). Although the artwork is the same as the Ace edition, it should take on this pub's title - and be varianted. Do you agree to my changing this? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:45, 23 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Go right ahead --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 23:48, 23 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Evocation of Virgin in Tolkien's Art ==<br />
<br />
Hi Mavmaramis <br />
<br />
Could you double check the title of {{P|514158|this publication}}. I think it should perhaps be "Virgil" instead of "Virgin". The secondary sources all have "Virgil" as does the cover. I'm going to add the hardcover and correct the title record. I'll leave correcting the publication to you. If your copy does, in fact have "Virgin", let me know and we can make the appropriate variants. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:15, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: An obvious typo somewhere in the past. Title definately VIRGIL. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:43, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I added a link (pending) from Archive.org. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:50, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Capek Center ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?513745; Title is Centre as is regular title and 3 essays; should they be fixed to Center as it says on the cover? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:19, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes obviously a typo. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 23:10, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Evocation of Virgil in Tolkien's Art: Geritol for the Classics ==<br />
<br />
Hello, <br />
<br />
I fixed Virgin (to become Virgil) in your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514158 verified] - both the cover and the pub title. If the title page has Virgin by any chance, we can restore it and add a note but as there are no notes anywhere and it seems to be Virgil everywhere else, I updated it directly and stopped by to let you know. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:45, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: PS: And the title fixed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?169521 here] to match the change in the publication title. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:48, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Wandering Fire ==<br />
<br />
Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672203 this submission]: <br />
*I restored the month and provided the source. As the pub had a Locus1 secondary verification, I checked [http://www.locusmag.com/index/ Locus1] and it was present. It would have been good if the secondary verifier had sourced it as per standards.<br />
*As the map was not credited, I changed the credit to uncredited and varianted to the Sue Reynolds credited one. The source for the credit is the {{P|590888|1987 reprint}} where it is signed. I updated the note with that information.<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:26, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Ah right. I only found the credit after I'd submitted it plus the title of the map as well. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 10:45, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Death Reign of the Vampire King ==<br />
<br />
Hi Mavmaramis -<br />
<br />
I'm intending to add a new publication series for the Mews Books publications of The Spider series, which affects your verified copy of {{P|375808|Death Reign of the Vampire King}}. My reason for doing so is that Mews Books applies a different numbering of the novels than that of the main series. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:41, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Go right ahead. That's a transiebt verification anyway. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 09:58, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of the Witch World ==<br />
<br />
Are the two maps in {{P|282027|Tales of the Witch World}} the same as the ones [https://archive.org/details/talesofwitchworl00andr/page/n7/mode/2up] (and the next page)? Based on your response I will merge the records between the pubs or add notes stating they are different. By the way, this pub is missing page numbers. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:01, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes and they are exactly the same. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 09:18, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Merged. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:48, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Second Empire ==<br />
<br />
Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5683945 this submission]: As the copyright page says this is an imprint, then technically the publisher should have remained {{Pubr|10221|Gollancz / Orion}} as that is the entry for the imprint. {{Pubr|13|Gollancz}} is the record for the publisher (non-imprint) from 1927-1998. However, ISFDB oscillates between folks who like to consolidate publisher records and those who like to record every variation. The Gollancz record certainly has plenty of records after 1998. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:47, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Same as for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5687087 Ships from the West]. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:51, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: You pre-empted my message there. It's quite tricky. Physical copy of Second Empire has the Gollancz G logo on spine, 'Victor Gollancz' on title page and only copyright page notes it as being an imprint. Same deal goes for Ships from the West which only has 'Gollancz' on title page. Both books look externally Gollancz to me. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 09:55, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, there is no question it is a Gollancz book. The question is whether it should be recorded as Gollancz the publisher that ceased to exist in 1998 (which would be inaccurate) or as Gollancz the imprint that continues to operate (which would be accurate). Another option would be to start a [[ISFDB:Community_Portal|Community Portal]] discussion on consolidating the two publisher records and only handling the difference in the notes (since many people already continue to use just Gollancz when its the imprint). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:55, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Good idea which you're very welcome to do. My 2p worth is that unless it's real obvious it's 'Gollancz / Orion' (either the cover or title page has it specifically printed as oposed to it being a bit of text in the printing history on the copyright page) then I'm minded to keep it to the notes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:59, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::As it's the option to enter imprints either way that causes the inconsistency, I went with a [[:Rules_and_standards_discussions#Imprint_Inconsistencies|rules and standards discussion]] instead. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:48, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Art of Richard Powers ==<br />
<br />
Hello Mavmaramis, I am holding an edit to our verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298166 The Art of Richard Powers]. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5670664 this submission], I'm afraid you can't see it (probably moderator only). <br />
The note to moderator says: "I own the book: The Contents of the book introduces the Titles by "Chapter {One, Two, Three, Four}:..." and on the pages the Titles (in bold) are preceded by the text Chapter (non-bold) above ... So I suggest to add the prefix "Chapter {One, Two, Three, Four}:", instead of a reference to the book in brackets. "Chapter Two: The Art" and "Chapter Three: The World of fFlar" are missing. "Bibliography and Acknowledgements" and "Index of Works" too. There are several sub-chapters in "Chapter Two", like "Abstract Surrealism" (30), "The Macabre" (51)..., which I don't know how to add" <br />
Can you share your opinion [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Elsbernd#The_Art_of_Richard_Powers here]? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 16:25, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Willem, on the bottom right of the moderator approval screen is a "Public view" link. If you click on that, you will get a link to the submission that anyone can see. Mavmaramis, you can see the submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5670664 here]. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:51, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I see, I only looked on the left. Submission is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5670664 here]. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 17:00, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Added my view to [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Elsbernd#The_Art_of_Richard_Powers discussion]--[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 17:20, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bill Donohue work in Journeys of the Mind ==<br />
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Hi, you have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?835012 this] PVed, which has 4 pieces of art by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?174138 Bill Donohue]. Any thoughts on whether this might be the same person as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?57161" Bill Donohoe], who did some Doctor Who covers in the 80s and 90s? Donohoe also has a piece in your PVed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?664129 Realms of Fantasy], FWIW.<br />
<br />
There's also a website for [http://www.billdonohoe.com a British artist called Bill Donohoe], who looks to have been active around the same time as the above, but his site doesn't mention anything specific beyond "for many years I undertook a variety of work with the emphasis being primarily on book and video covers." The sample work on that site isn't (to my eye) obviously the work of the same person who did the Who covers, but if he's been working 30-40 odd years, I could imagine he's used a variety of styles. <br />
<br />
Donohue also has a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51095 This Island Earth] cover, which [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b254.htm Locus] says is Donohoe - I'll ping the 2 active PVs for that pub if they have any thoughts. Ta [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:05, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Being perfectly honest I think it's probably down to 'opinion' - none of the publications you link have anything to say as to who the Bill Donohue might be. One of the pieces in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?664129 Realms of Fantasy] pp.28-29 is signed 'WJD' and it does appear to me at least that the artwork there and in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?835012 Journeys of the Mind] is by the same person. As for the Doctor Who covers it is entirely possible but wouldn't dare to confirm or deny that they are by the same Donohue or a different one. In short my answer is "i don't know". I realise that isn't helpful. The website you pointed do does have contact information so that's the avenue to explore to confirm or deny he did or did not do the artworks in the two books you mentioned. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:47, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: Thanks. Emailing him did cross my mind, but I wanted to try to be reasonably sure that there weren't simple data errors on our side before hassling. (After posting on your page, I had a look on SFE if that could help - it didn't, but I noticed that [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/dicks_terrance their page on Terrance Dicks] has both "Donohoe" and "Donohue" for the various Doctor Who covers, so it's certainly an easy mistake to make.) Cheers [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:10, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Before Adam ==<br />
<br />
Cover artist of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395140 this] is Peter Goodfellow, see [http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/19-nelmac his site]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 18:05, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Jasia Reichardt's Robots ==<br />
<br />
Hi Mavmaramis <br />
<br />
While adding the Reginald number to your verified copy of {{P|514832|Robots: Fact, Fiction, and Prediction}}, I noticed that we have the publication date listed as unknown. I also see that a comment was added, I believe by you, that an ISBN search gives a 1978 date. {{Reginald3}} also has a 1978 date for the Thames & Hudson edition. Do you think perhaps we have enough evidence to apply the 1978 date? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:05, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I just added an edit with Archive.org link to Penguin edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:14, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::My opinion is that since the physical book doesn't actually give a publication date it should be left as 'date unknown'. The notes re the secondary sources giving a 1978 publication date I think are sufficient. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 23:51, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Peter Goodfellow reported death ==<br />
<br />
Just posted at [[User_talk:Nihonjoe#Wikipedia-ish_question_about_anonymous_edits_there]] about this; are you aware of any resources for artists that might be able to corroborate this report? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:58, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Never mind, just tried a different search term, and found [https://www.heraldscotland.com/memorials/death-notices/death/30510386.peter-george-goodfellow/ a death notice]. Although it has a middle name not in the DB here or Wikipedia, and says nothing about him being an artist, the location matches where the Wikipedia page said he lived. Sorry for blathering on before thoroughly checking stuff :-( [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:02, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for alerting me to that. It's fine to seek clarification then go off and discover it yourself.--[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:33, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Kit P. ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2823477; Should that be Kit Pedler or is it really Pedlar in which case it should be a variant? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:33, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's PEDLER. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:57, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, thanks, I'll fix it and leave mod a note saying I asked you first. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:09, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Invasion of the Bodysnatchers ==<br />
<br />
You verified one record P{{p|487079}} of ''The Invasion of the Body Snatchers'' in its 1978 Sphere edition, which gives date 1978-00-00 (no month) and note "Month from WorldCat." WorldCat now shows no month data for the linked record OCLC 993330990. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:05, 23 July 2023 (EDT)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Author:Juliet_Stanwell_Smith&diff=663275
Author:Juliet Stanwell Smith
2023-05-25T18:58:36Z
<p>Pwendt: continue ...) one title page view as "Juliet Stanwell Smith" (no hyphen</p>
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<div>{{Author Header}}<br />
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Canonical name "'''Stanwell-Smith, Juliet'''" (hyphenated) <br />
* at Toronto Public Library, [http://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/search.jsp?N=4294181213 3 works as of 2016-01-02]; of which 1 in the Merril Collection, as by Stanwell Smith<br />
* at GoodReads.com [https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/628094.Juliet_Stanwell_Smith]<br />
* at Library of Congress [https://lccn.loc.gov/n77014355 no works as of 2023-05-23]<br />
* at British Library (BL catalogue records below); LC cites BL database as of 2009<br />
<br />
Credited as "'''Stanwell Smith'''" for ''The Ogre Downstairs'' (1974 first edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44824 Publ 44824]) <br />
* at TPL (above) <br />
* at suberic.net ([https://suberic.net/dwj/ogre.html with cover image])<br />
<br />
Credited as "Stanwell Smith" for ''Cart and Cwidder'' (1975 first edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6182 Publ 6182])<br />
* at SFE3 (Diana Wynne Jones list of works)<br />
<br />
Credited as "'''Juliet Stanwell-Smith'''" on several title pages, if BL records are reliable<br />
* ''The Stuart Household'' (1981) [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL20654445M view title page at OL20654445M]<br />
British Library catalogue record BL 008785034 reports that book. Three more such records are BL 008785035 (1981); BL 009408501 and BL 009432259 (1977, two formats).<br />
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Credited as "'''Juliet Stanwell Smith'''" on some title pages.<br />
: BL main catalogue [https://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?ct=Next+Page&pag=nxt&indx=1&pageNumberComingFrom=1&http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?vid=BLVU1&fn=search&indx=1&vl(340803643UI1)=all_items&dscnt=0&scp.scps=scope%3A%28BLCONTENT%29&vid=BLVU1&mode=Basic&ct=lateralLinking&vl(297891280UI0)=creator&srt=date2&tab=local_tab&vl(freeText0)=Juliet%20%20Stanwell%20-Smith%20&dstmp=1684876795298 search Juliet Stanwell -Smith] (20 hits with and without hyphen)<br />
: 6 of 20 BL record headings name "Juliet Stanwell Smith", no hyphen. One of those is Rumer Godden, ''Rocking Horse Secret'' (London: Macmillan 1977), BL 010049411 ISBN 0333230728.<br />
* ''Rocking Horse Secret'' (1st US ed., The Viking Press, 1978) [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL4555647M/The_rocking_horse_secret view title page at OL4555647M]</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Author:Juliet_Stanwell_Smith&diff=663022
Author:Juliet Stanwell Smith
2023-05-23T21:23:44Z
<p>Pwendt: extend: sources LC and BL; one title page image at OL/Archive.org</p>
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<div>{{Author Header}}<br />
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Canonical name "'''Stanwell-Smith, Juliet'''" (hyphenated) <br />
* at Toronto Public Library, [http://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/search.jsp?N=4294181213 3 works as of 2016-01-02]; of which 1 in the Merril Collection, as by Stanwell Smith<br />
* at GoodReads.com [https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/628094.Juliet_Stanwell_Smith]<br />
* at Library of Congress [https://lccn.loc.gov/n77014355 no works as of 2023-05-23]<br />
* at British Library (BL catalogue records below); LC cites BL database as of 2009<br />
<br />
Credited as "'''Stanwell Smith'''" for ''The Ogre Downstairs'' (1974 first edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44824 Publ 44824]) <br />
* at TPL (above) <br />
* at suberic.net ([https://suberic.net/dwj/ogre.html with cover image])<br />
<br />
Credited as "Stanwell Smith" for ''Cart and Cwidder'' (1975 first edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6182 Publ 6182])<br />
* at SFE3 (Diana Wynne Jones list of works)<br />
<br />
Credited as "'''Juliet Stanwell-Smith'''" on several title pages, if BL records are reliable<br />
* ''The Stuart Household'' (1981) [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL20654445M view title page at OL20654445M]<br />
British Library catalogue record BL 008785034 reports that book. Three more such records are BL 008785035 (1981); BL 009408501 and BL 009432259 (1977, two formats).<br />
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British Library main catalogue [https://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?ct=Next+Page&pag=nxt&indx=1&pageNumberComingFrom=1&http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?vid=BLVU1&fn=search&indx=1&vl(340803643UI1)=all_items&dscnt=0&scp.scps=scope%3A%28BLCONTENT%29&vid=BLVU1&mode=Basic&ct=lateralLinking&vl(297891280UI0)=creator&srt=date2&tab=local_tab&vl(freeText0)=Juliet%20%20Stanwell%20-Smith%20&dstmp=1684876795298 search Juliet Stanwell -Smith] (20 hits with and without hyphen)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Author:K._M._Peyton&diff=661432
Author:K. M. Peyton
2023-05-06T23:50:27Z
<p>Pwendt: add LC, BL, which do not help us much</p>
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<div>{{AuthorHeader}}<br />
Locus1 says this is a pseudonym for the writing team of Kathleen Wendy Peyton & Michael P. Peyton.<br />
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: Library of Congress makes clear that K.M. Peyton is also the pseudonym of KWHP writing individually. LC cites <i>Contemporary Authors</i> online and gives instances that do not help ISFDB.<br />
: British Library catalogues only three books published as by Kathleen Herald: illustrated pony stories, 120 to 158 pages, 1948 to 1953. The Peytons married in 1950.</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Stonecreek&diff=660963
User talk:Stonecreek
2023-05-01T00:17:34Z
<p>Pwendt: /* Boken om Pippi Långstrump */ report from LIBRIS.kb.se 1952, etc</p>
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== Troubleshooting ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?593110 Here] exclusive for you.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:05, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for the hint, Wolfram! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:07, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366800 here]--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:11, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Ah, that one looks okay. Maybe this is one entry that you can learn from. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:13, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Oh, that one looks not okay, not a good example to learn something, but a typical example for your excellent work, please find the typo.<br />
:::: But I don't want to take this to extremes, it's just a hint to first recognize your own mistakes before criticizing other users' mistakes. Good luck---[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 10:39, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Well, I never stated to be perfect: in fact nobody is. Mistakes do happen, the aim should be to learn from them.<br />
::::: On typos: one shouldn't think that they will never happen again. They have a tendency to creep in. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:03, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::Still wrong, please look accurate.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:55, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Feel free to correct typos. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:10, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Iluustrations in Perry Rhodan #547, 4th printing ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I have just received the info that apparently the fourth printing of PR #547 had a fan illustraion in addition to Bruck's work, references are [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:JL#unbekannte_Zeichner_von_Innenillustrationen here]. Illustration #1 on p. 27 would not be by Bruck, but the following two would the same two as in the first printing. As I don't own printing #4, perhaps you could check and make the resp. edits? Thanks, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 06:51, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks very much, John! I really did not take the signature into account: the illustration is IMHO very near to Bruck's style, and I thought it was a illustration by him that found no place with the initial publication, which I do think has happened before with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?559092 PR 308], p. 63. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:58, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Fischer Sternaux ==<br />
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Hello Christian, by adding two collections I create two entries for an artist:<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?318094 Peter Fischer Sternaux]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?307185 Peter Fischer-Sterneaux]<br />
I'm not sure, but I think both are wrong or typos. The correct name should be '''Peter Fischer-Sternaux'''. I found only three hints: [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bb-Reihe wiki bb-Reihe], [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompass-B%C3%BCcherei wiki Kompass-Bücherei] and [http://www.stiftung-plakat-ost.de/pers.htm East German poster artists]. Can you help me to add the hyphen to Peter Fischer Sternaux? Sterneaux will then be a variant of Sternaux. Thank you very much [[User:Henna|Henna]] 06:09, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure! I added the hyphen. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:58, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Atlan 216 -> 217? ==<br />
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Hi Christan, can you check {{p|804985|Atlan 216}}? It looks like the number needs to change to 217, otherwise there will be two pub records with 216. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 02:19, 29 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! I'll take care of my error. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:31, 29 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan 18 (2.Aufl.) Note ==<br />
Hi Christian, now the note has been erased completly. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4831473] I'm wondering about. Are you prepearing a new note? Can you please check this again? --[[User:Norman|Norman]] 03:33, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, Norman. I just removed a now surplus note about the cover art being the same as with the novella's first edition (and the cover design, I guess) which can be seen now with your upload.<br />
: I agree that it'd be nice, though, to have ''some'' notes, but you seem to be more competent than me regarding statements made in the issue, having the issue at hand. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:40, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|789903|Exodus, #40}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I added the missing interior art, please take a look. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:03, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, yes! Many thanks for that! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:42, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Image:GRTMRCNSHR2002.jpg ==<br />
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I have restored [[:Image:GRTMRCNSHR2002.jpg]]. It is used in a publication and "non-genre publication" is not a valid deletion reason for a book cover. By rule, only non-genre magazine covers are prohibited. Non-genre book covers are allowed and we have plenty of them. This disconnect in the rules has been discussed a number of times with no resolution. It's been awhile since the last discussion so it may be worth starting another rules and standards discussion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:38, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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Okay, but this was what was told to me when I was a beginner here. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|789904|Exodus, #41}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have changed a few things in this magazine. Please take a look and check the changes. I think now only the collage on page 54 is missing. Thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 16:36, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Looks considerably better now! Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:52, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::No, I made some mistakes, now we have three duplicates. I will take care of it. What you think about p. 54? Sorry for the mess [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:47, 4 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==Changes by unknown==<br />
(moved to the end of my talk page) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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Hi Christian. I'm wondering about some changes which has be done by unknowe between my submitting and releasing by a moderator (which takes at the moment 1-3days). Example: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4848514]. I think a moderator is allthough confused about this circumstances. I've today cancelled myself some of my submitted tasks which should have runed into the void. As you know it's hard to wait with the procedure i has to work actually. It takes some days until a new magazine has been registrated in a propper way. But it is much more confusing if a third party doing some well-intentioned actions in the meantime. What is going on there? Is there perhaps a better way for me? I see you are working daily a you check my work, which is really perfect for me. Would it be perhaps a better way to do in the future some actions in a coordinated way together? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:06, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Well, yes! Maybe I should wait for a time with actions: the reason this happens is that I tend to deal with things the moment I run across them. Working in some areas at the same time does lead into the danger to forget about things. But if you would like to work in an area for some time on your own, we surely can bundle our actions in a more coordinated way. So, what are your plans for the nearest future (for example the coming week?) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::Thank you for the explanation. At the moment, the long waiting time between the change request and its approval is my problem, especially if the facts have changed in between. In addition, there is a certain impatience on my part. Now I would like to complete volumes #51 to #60 in both the 2nd and 5th edition. Later also the issues 21 to 60 of the 3rd edition. The magazines are of course all in my possession. It would be of great and welcome help to me, for example, if you could briefly review my changes and perhaps if possible approve them once a day. Since you and me always have to carry out several steps into each other for a magazine and I don't want to lose the overview, I would concentrate 2-3 booklets a day. Would such a procedure be conceivable for you? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 03:19, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, I'll wait for your doings and perhaps review and add/change a few things later, if that's okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:33, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::It would be perfect! I'm always interested to learn how such few things which could be very special are handled here. But first i've to wait for the still pending edits. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:17, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::: It seems Dirk (P. Broer) handled all or a part of the necessary doings overnight. Please take a look which of them still need to be dealt with. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:54, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==PR 53 5.Auflage Essay==<br />
I've just submitted this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4852526]. I didn't found the essay at 3|3.1 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1639876 Das Perry Rhodan-Lexikon] in this magazine. I found 3 Letters instead. But i found the essay in volume #51 instead. But some minutes before i submitted for #51 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4852524 this]. Can you please check and do the fixing, or please tell me how to proceed? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:04, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Perhaps the essay in #51 (by W. Voltz!) is not identical with the 'Werkstattbericht' by (Horst Hoffmann and Peter Terrid). I will check this! But anyway in #53 this has to be modified or deleted [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:14, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Result of check: the Essay in #1154, #920(2nd) and #51(5th) are identical! And the authors are Horst Hoffmann and Peter Terrid. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:26, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: Many thanks for the corrections! It seemed just logical to assume that the essay on the 'Lexikon' would also appear in this issue (#53). I updated the title per merging and also removed it from issue #53 (5. Auflage). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:19, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::Never mind. I have to thank you for the help that accelerated this. Otherwise it would have taken days again. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 07:01, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::::It might even be faster to import titles that already exist in the database - for example illustrations. It's possible to select contents on importing, or to import specified titles (this is done by entering the title no. in the lower half of the import screen). Basically, if there's only one title to import, I use the latter option, and if there is more than one title to import from one other publication I use the first option: it just requires to remove titles from a publication if there are some imported that don't belong to it (for example in PR #52, 5. Aufl., there were only two of the original four interior pieces of art reproduced). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:10, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::::Many thanks again. This is very interesting. I'll try this next. I didn't know this function before. :-) [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:58, 10 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==Raumschiff Promet and its publication dates==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'll be changing the publication date of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?812248 #54]. The publication date of Astro Science Fiction #53 is stated as 14 November 1973 in #49. Cheers, John. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 15:28, 13 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, many thanks for the info! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:03, 13 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 9 ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23789 this] is Mike Little. Credired on p.165 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204909 this] publication. Almost certainly the same artists responsible for the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23793 this] as well. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:21, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Great find! Many thanks for the detective work, and have a merry Christmas! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:24, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== John Taylor ==<br />
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We have been sorting out the various John Taylors and need a little help. Can you see [[User_talk:Username#John_Taylor|this discussion]] and let us know if {{P|4421|Beyond This Horizon}} provides any biographical information about the John Taylor that has a story (p116) and essay (p44) in it? We are trying to determine if they are the same person and whether they are from the UK physicist or the US author. [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/s313.htm#A4878 Contento] has both by the author. But the physicist supposedly did some science fiction plays and the essay title would align with a physicist. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:15, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry, there's no biographical information, but my best guess is that it's the British physicist: seems quite obvious for the essay, and the convention was something like a British showcase (with a bit of Continental Europe thrown in). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:53, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I added title notes with that information. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:42, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Driftglas in German ==<br />
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{{p|371550|Driftglass}} cover by Barclaw Shaw [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 02:57, 7 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! (but the variant / parent is still missing). Christian<br />
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== Philip K Dick ==<br />
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Added missing series to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55525 this] as <br />
"Writers of the 21st Century Series" (as printed on front) to conform with the rest of the volumes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 02:00, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! I missed out on that one upon verifying. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:55, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hello, Rtrace.<br />
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I inserted the translation to the Portuguese (#819033) but in the summary of the author (#111330) appear like a new novel, not a translation. How to fix it?<br />
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How is the right way to put translations? Its a New Novel or Add Publication to This Title or Variant?<br />
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--[[User:Paulotecario|Paulotecario]] 09:48, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Hello, and welcome! You seem to have misdirected your question (since I'm not Rtrace). <br />
:But to answer: The right way to add translations usually is to enter a publication of the translation (correct title per title page of the publication, author name per title page of the publication, fitting language, translator, and other useful data), and than (after processing), variant to the canonical title. (The exception is if a translation under the exact same title already exists, than one can use the Add Publication or Clone Publication links). <br />
:For that reason the novel by N. K. Jemisin appears to be unconnected to its parent: it still needs to be varianted (the feature to use is the 'Make This Title a Variant' link). Since the entry does need some fixing (capitalization of title, price denomination, additional notes), I'll do the fixing and varianting for you. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:08, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The format ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Careful with formats outside of Germany: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819037 this] is [https://www.amazon.com.br/dp/8580579430 Dimensões : 23 x 15.6 x 1.8 cm] and a 23 cm book cannot be a pb under ANY definition. :) I fixed it. Also - when you find issues as severe as the ones with this book, please try to leave notes around - in this case both the editor who added and the moderator should have been reminded of what is wrong here. Fixing it is all great but unless someone tells the editor and the moderator, we will end up with more of those (I just caught 5 more of them and cleaned them up on approval). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:02, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry about the format: that one slipped through my radar surveillance. I had seen that you reminded the moderator about issues, and the editor was informed in the item just above this one (bare that false format I didn't pay attention to). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:44, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Well, a day later when they came asking :) It makes it easier to do it when the change is done - that way we do not miss these. :) I think we are all good now. Hope you are doing well! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:08, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Yes, I cope (as you'll likely also do): waiting for things to normalize the news came in that vaccination over here in Europe for the majority of people will take longer than expected, due to organizational & production complications, but otherwise health is still good in the family: no one got seriously ill so far. So it will take some more time of clenching one's teeth and staying calm. Hope you're doing as good as circumstances allow (or better). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:18, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: That's good to hear. :) Pretty much -- living in one of the biggest counties in this country (biggest in the state) and not being old enough means that I am stuck home for the foreseeable future - they will take awhile to get to me for the vaccines. It all shall pass - hopefully... Oh well - stay safe - people tend to get even more careless than usual if they believe the end is close and that can cause problems even for the ones who are careful :( At least I can work from home... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: I hope you stay healthy in all the time waiting: that's the important thing, I'd think! Over here the old-aged are the first in line when it comes to the cure, then the system-sustaining persons, and pretty much later we normalized ones are thought of. Thought it would be sometime in Spring when it comes to our group, but it seems it will get hotter than that ... - just hoping the barbers will open before that, else there'll be much sweating (and much blindsight). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:03, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Galery of Lem's star diaries illustrations ==<br />
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Hello Christian, [https://solaris.lem.pl/galeria/rysunki-lema here] you can see the most illustration from the Star Diaries. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 06:12, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! That does indeed help! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:18, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Overcorrecting again ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Please stop "correcting" things without even looking at the covers and title pages. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?61987 This series] is not called "Mack 'n' Me" but "Mack 'n' Me 'n' Odyssey". Because of that we cannot strip "Mack 'n' Me" from the titles unless you want to do an internal set of series but the numbering may go wrong in the future so leaving them as they are is the cleanest way. I just spent some time fixing these again. I will appreciate if in the future instead of just going and removing anything that has ":" in the title, you either do some research OR ask the editor who actually worked on these (or both) and if I do not need to spend time correcting corrections. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:47, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: PS: And the fact that you again changed someone's work without bothering to consult and/or at least notify the person is as unacceptable as it always had been. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:49, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Just a reminder that ''all'' record types -- pubs, titles, series, publication series, authors, awards, etc -- support Edit History as of 2021-01-14. When planning changes to a record, you can now review record history to see who else has worked on it.<br />
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:: Due to the way submissions work, sometimes you need to check other submission types to see full history. In this case, the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/series_history.cgi?61987 Edit History page] associated with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?61987 this series] doesn't tell you who created it. However, you can use Edit History pages associated with the titles in the series -- like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?2822131 this page] -- to see who added the series information.<br />
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:: Hopefully, this will become one of our standard operating procedures as editors become used to this functionality and help lower everybody's stress level :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:59, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Sorry, but I took the longe name as some kind of pub. series (yes, then it should have been put into that field - it didn't feel quite correct also). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:05, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Then come and discuss before changing. My edits are all over this series and all its books, I've spent enough time with it to have an idea what is what (plus this is a known pattern with some series lately...). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:25, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|1650396|Etemenanki oder Die Fundamente von Himmel und Erde}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, is this the same text like in {{T|2682309|Etemenanki}}? Here is the first paragraph [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/5/51/Simon_etemenanki.jpg of Etemenanki]. Thanks for looking it up [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:21, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sure! I'll variant the title(s). Thanks, I just overlooked this. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:08, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Secondhand Charm ==<br />
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What was with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4895041 this change]? Did you even look at the publication before making this change? I don't understand why you would change the credit on the verified pub without asking the verifier, but had you looked at the pub notes, it would have been clear that there are two separate artists involved. I restored the proper credit. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:38, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry for that! ... and I even don't know what it was that has driven me to that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:48, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Image:PRRRHDNMZT1985.jpg ==<br />
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[[:Image:PRRRHDNMZT1985.jpg]] was deleted by you, but it is still used in {{P|814576|this pub}}. Please check whether you forget to remove the image link or if it was used in multiple pubs and it is correct/incorrect for this one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Alan PETER Ryan ==<br />
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Alan Ryan started using his full name, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?144345], when he returned to writing in 2010. "Sexual Exploration Is a Crime" was published under his full name in 2019's Shivers VIII just like it was in Ryan's 2012 collection The Back of Beyond. It was never published as by Alan Ryan. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:35, 14 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:I'm inclined to believe you. However, the thing is that the title appears with the short name in a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?727940 primary verified publication]. So you have to ask the primary verifier first if this is an overlooked mistake, before we could accept this change. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:17, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Follow-up from the Moderator Noticeboard discussion ==<br />
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To follow up on the [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Abusive_Regularization|last Moderator Noticeboard discussion]]:<br />
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* As per the 2020 agreement, please limit your moderatorial activities to self-moderation until I change the software to support an explicit "self-moderation only" flag for editors<br />
* Please do not change the data in recently added/edited records without discussing it with the moderator who approved the submission. Doing so effectively circumvents the agreement and leaves both the approving moderator and the submitting user out of the loop.<br />
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These issues have been occurring for a long time now. Please make sure that they do not re-occur or else I will have to take administrative action. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:58, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== La trama celeste ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you share your sources for your statements of "First printing" and "Apparent first Edition" which you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?580480 here] today? None of the linked sources (OCLC and LTF) claim any of that (the Trantor is a later reprint and was used to verify the contents), your edit had no moderator notes and no notes identifying where these statements are coming from. Did you miss to add your sources?<br />
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On a separate note (less important but still valid) - reordering the statements in a publication notes field to fit your idea of what goes where in the notes (you moved the sources statement from the top to the bottom) is disrespectful to other editors - we all have our own styles of writing notes and we do not enforce style in this field. If you want ISFDB to start enforcing style, please go to R&S and find support. In the meantime, please respect your fellow editors (unless you are verifying of course - if you are PVing and there are no other PVs, you can change the note anyway you want). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:06, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, but the missing information is vital for out db and follows for the edition from Wikpedia. <br />
:The printing is necessary to add for a db that goes to index different ones. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:39, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Can you please point to a source that identifies this as a definitive first printing? Because what you are describing is an assumed first printing - unless it is confirmed somewhere, there is a possibility for an earlier printing run in the same year that is different. Statements of printing which lack the qualification “assumed” should have a source. Your opinion that this must be a first printing is just your opinion and not a fact unless it is supported by a source (primary or secondary). Otherwise we become the source of that specific information - and being a source of unverified information is not what this DB is supposed to be. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:51, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::I think it's quite clear that it's a first edition, but for the faint possibilty that there was a previous edition within the same year, I'll update the note.<br />
:::On the printing rank: unless you know that there's more than one printing of this edition within the same year it ''should'' be noted that our entry is for the first one. And if there are more printings in 1948 we should clarify it for the sake of an editor supplying a higher one. It's quite unlike you to make things more difficult for additional publications and to be content with stub notes. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:31, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::::* unless you know that there's more than one printing of this edition within the same year it ''should'' be noted that our entry is for the first one<br />
:::: it's the other way around. Like other statements that we make in Notes, we add an unqualified "First printing" statement if -- and '''only if''' -- we have a source indicating that the publication is the first printing of the given edition. That source can be either the publication itself or a secondary source. Without a source, we can, at most, enter "Assumed first printing" or words to that effect. This is explained in the "Printings" section of [[Template:PublicationFields:PubNote]], e.g.:<br />
::::* If there is no printing information beyond the edition date, and no specific "first printing" statement, it is likely that this is a first printing, and you can put "Appears to be first printing of 1974 Puffin edition." <br />
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:::: Checking the database, I see that you have created 9263 EditPub submissions with the words "First printing" in Notes. We will now have to review and, if necessary, correct all of them. I will be creating a cleanup script which will identify all affected publication records, both PV'd and unverified. The number of affected publications will be lower than 9263, but the cleanup process will still be very time consuming.<br />
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:::: This is a major issue. Given this problem with understanding core data entry rules and the previously discussed repeated issues with adhering to the terms of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Follow-up_from_the_Moderator_Noticeboard_discussion self-moderation agreement], I am suspending your moderator flag until this issue has been sorted out and software support for "self-moderation only" editors has been added. We will review and discuss where we stand once these issues have been addressed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:31, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::::: Sorry to disagree: when we know an entry for any possible printing (including the first) of a given edition would look the same as the one we have in the database, it ''is'' meaningful to denominate 'ours' as the first: this way we have the first printing in the db, and any further printing of that year will be listed after it, we have it clear that a possible further printing of that year will have to be added, '''and''' we have the general information visible that we go as deep as the level of printing in ISFDB. And if you refer to the possibility that the cover image might differ for a different printing: well, without a primary verifier or a dependable source for it, we don't even know if the image we display does represent the edition (or the specific printing). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:46, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::: This specific book is sourced from OCLC and LTF. You do not invent data that is not on the record unless you can explain it. Stating First Printing with no qualifiers means that we are stating that this specific book in these sources is the first printing definitely (if we know that but we cannot verify that the sources point to our book, the IDs should not be added to it (or if added, the note should explain that they do not state first printing) and the note on the sources should explain that they are possibly for a different version of the book ). There is nothing in any source to support such unqualified claim. So “Assumed First Printing” is the best that can be used. Anything else is a fabrication and essentially creating information that then can be used by someone else and considered definitive. If we fabricate information, we cannot be trusted as a dB. If you cannot understand that, I am not sure how exactly to explain it better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:19, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Those sources only would possibly index a first printing if it's stated in a publication (though not necessarily so). We do have a different policy: we state a publication as ''apparent first printing''. So it'd be okay to state a first printing until we know if it's an apparent or a stated one (most likely supplied by a PV). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:34, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::: Can you please point to me where this policy is specified? Because Ahasuerus already posted above our rules and they contradict it. And any other rule I had seen had been clear: each fact added should have a source - the book preferably, a secondary source if not possible. We do not invent data. If we have a documentation mismatch that actually allows us to invent data we should fix it so we do not confuse our editors. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:56, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::: I'm pretty sure you propagated it in one of the many arguments with Wolfram, I just haven't found it by now. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:24, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::: I had said that it is ok to add "First Printing" with no qualifications and no support of any source (other books or online sources) or the book? Very unlikely but sure, find it, I will be interested to see that and we can see what exactly was said there and in what context. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:21, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::::: If my memory is correct, you stated that it'd be okay to state 'Apparent first printing.' (and we'd accordingly have to wait what is there in a yet unverified publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:34, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::: You realize the difference between “Apparent/Assumed First Printing” and a non qualified “First Printing”, right? Had you used the first here, we do not have a problem. You used the latter and then went on explaining how that is ok. A person browsing the site and seeing the statement with no qualifiers won’t think “oh, this says First printing but does not say stated so this may not be one”, they will think “first printing means first printing”. That is the crux of the problem here. Reread again everything I said so far and the excerpt from the rules above - adding a statement is not the issue, adding an unqualified one is. And then when you updated the note you changed the edition line leaving the unqualified printing one in place. (I cleaned it up when I fixed the sources issue). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:04, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::::::: Well, okay! I see the benefit of stating the more cautious version for people not aware of the difference between PVed and non-PVed pub.s (or PVed but not thoroughly reviewed). I guess that's a case of deep-in-blindness. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:15, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::::: Most people won't realize what the PV table means when the find the page online (we had had enough new editors that did not and they were here to edit). And implying that it is ok to just add whatever to non-PVd publications is a bit offensive to all the editors who had done a lot of work through the years piecing things together from secondary sources and being very careful to chase any sources (with different levels of sloppiness sometimes but we are all human) - I am aware that this is not you meant but I hope you understand what I am saying here. That's why listing sources and qualifications are important (and listing what from the sources does not match our record and why when we have sources disagreeing) - if we made a mistake because a source was mistaken, it is not so good but we had a source and we did not create a piece of information that is untrue; if we just added a statement which was mistaken/misleading, we become the source now - and before long all other sites will use our data even from unPVd pubs and uprooting these errors later is hard (just look at the Larry Correia birthday problem - we did not originate it but someone did). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:53, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Authors difference in publications and titles ==<br />
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I have two of your submissions on hold because they run contrary to the basic rules of data entry on the site ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931312 this one] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931313 this one]) - we do NOT change the title authors in such cases, we leave the title author as uncredited and then variant to a parent with the known authors. Our rules are very clear about that - the exact text from the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Author help page is]:<br />
"If there is a publicly available source which identifies the uncredited title's author, it will be later turned into a variant title using the author's canonical name." (please note that this is part of the TITLE author field and there is no exception for EDITOR records).<br />
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However, before I rejected them outright, I checked the German magazines (which had been your domain for years) and this had been going for a very long time so I went digging to see if there is a reason for that. Unless I missed it, there had not been an attempt to change the rules to make an exception for the German language magazines (I already spent my Sunday chasing this so I stopped somewhere ~2013). The only time this was even remotely mentioned is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_18#Publication_Authors_That_Are_Not_the_Title_Author this Cleanup report] which had been implemented in the usual way (leave the big sets for the end so a plan can be made for them; it is regrettable that the report was never completely implemented but that does not constitute a change of rules - these records are still against the rules). <br />
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Is there a policy in some obscure place that I missed (and that needs to be added to the rules) or do we need to mount yet another cleanup effort to bring all of these records to policy? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:17, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Well, that's the way they were entered at the beginning of entering the series (and it wasn't me who began that), and I just followed the example that was already there. I don't see any major problem with the way it is for those, since 'uncredited' poses no pseudonym. But we could also work through the lot, if you're there to do a lot of unmerging, merging and/or varianting. And if you prefer it: sure, we can install a cleanup report for it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:31, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: I read this several times now. Are you really accusing me of starting these author mismatches? You know perfectly well that when I began with the Perry Rhodan series, I used a secondary source (Perrypedia) and tried to be as complete as possible. Any use of uncredited and starting the discrepancy between publication and title author is yours! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:03, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: We already have a cleanup report for author mismatches, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 ''Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author'']. When it was [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_18#Publication_Authors_That_Are_Not_the_Title_Author|modified in 2015 to add EDITOR/MAGAZINE and EDITOR/FANZINE mismatches]], I mentioned that it was coded to "ignore[] German magazines because we have about 1,400 Perry Rhodan mismatches on file. Once the other 126 mismatches have been resolved, we can revisit the PR issue."<br />
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:: Unfortunately, the issue was never revisited, so now we have 5,375 mismatches, including 1,500 non-Perry Rhodan mismatches. Some are PR-related, including 434 Atlans, while others are not. Better late than never... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:14, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: It won’t be that hard I suspect - two step process (create parent with the authors that are there now and then clean the authors of the current record (and fix both dates while at it) will clear a whole year of uncredited issues. The only unmerges needed will be when there are pubs credited differently. <br />
:::: Yes, mostly, but there are a few elaborate title notes that shouldn't be lost (or should be transposed). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:26, 8 March 2021 (EST) <br />
::::: So a third edit. :) Still Not so bad. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:29, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: As for why we must finish the cleanup - we are a DB. Differences in data structures is a problem when one writes queries to find something - inconsistencies like that should have a very good reason. Being German and uncredited is not one of those unless we change the rules officially. :)<br />
::: Can I request an update of the report or should I do it over in CS? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:21, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: And is there a report for the case above: i. e. the 'First printing' affair? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:30, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Not yet - unlike the one here, that one is not preexisting... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:40, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
(unindent) OK - I approved both merges so their pubs are brought into where they belong and then fixed both of these title records to follow the way we handle uncredited publications with known authors from elsewhere. Just a gentle reminder - when you are making the yearly series, the date of it should be the year itself (so 1991-00-00) and not the date of the first issue. <br />
: PS: As you are the PV on a lot of them, we know who to ask but it will be extremely useful to add some notes on the series level ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?43528 here] and all the others) where the editors names are coming from. Or on the individual years although adding them up on the series level may be cleaner and clearer. Or even on the parent [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28689 series]. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:40, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dmitry Glukhovsky's "Text" ==<br />
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A quick FYI re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2652577 this title]. Back in 2019 you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4484074 added the following note]: "Described as a crime / techno-thriller; it may be nongenre." As per the plot summary on Wikipedia, this is a non-genre thriller. I have updated the German VT and the Russian parent title. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:28, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: I can confirm it is non-genre. If I can remember where my book is (because I do not see it where it is supposed to be), I will verify a Russian version and clean the note after that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:56, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks, Ahasuerus! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:58, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== GOMINE — Walzenraumer der Hijthi (scheme) ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Did you mean to make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2841677 this] a short story or did you forget to switch to Interior art? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:32, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: It's an artwork, which I just realized upon submitting. I'll correct it with adding the cover image. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:53, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:11, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== These variants ==<br />
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I rejected a few - there is no point changing the author in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4932961 such cases]. 30 of the 33 magazines need to stay under the title as is. 3 need to be split and varianted... Changing the author here will result in a lot more work. I think I approved a few earlier so I will clean the created mess based on that... but please look at the list of magazines before changing the authors. Thanks! 00:10, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Those issues have to be reviewed (and the credit chenged) anyway. But my idea was to first complete the (1. Auflage), and then come back to it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:19, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: But in the process you are moving issues from "Pub and title matches" to "they do not match" so when the report gets deployed, someone will try to fix them again and we will do the same work multiple times. If you are going to be reviewing the publications anyway, let's start with them. Fix the magazines themselves inside of a year, then fix the titles correctly. Otherwise we will be chasing these until next Christmas :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:34, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Uhmmm, yes, your're probably right. I just have to dig these copies out of their vault. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
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== Wstęp (Dzienniki gwiazdowe) ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935029 this one]. Either we claim we do not know who to credit to (so unknown) (because we really have no idea it is Lem's or not) or it is Lem's... We cannot have it both ways (and even if it was rare, other people did write introductions for his books in Polish:) ) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:43, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:What is unknown, I think, is if it's credited to Lem or his alter ego Professor Tarantoga. Usually the introduction should be the same as the first one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?820586 here], since there the eighth and the eighteenth journey (and the ominous circumstances of their coming-to-be & inclusion) are talked about; it should also be in-universe fiction. The only somewhat irregular thing is the discussion of a 'LEM' as author of the 'Star Diaries' since the Lunar Excursion Mobile would have a far too small electronic brain for such a task - it seems somewhat pre-timed for 1966, but the 1971 should be at least a variant of the 1966 piece. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:51, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: And your source for this please? Unless you have something better than guesses here, this stays unconnected. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:04, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: According to [https://fantlab.ru/work3309 Fantlab], there were 4 introductions to the "Ijon Tichy" collections published between 1954 and 1976. All of them were in-universe essays as by "Professor Tarantoga" (one of the characters in the series), but the text differed from edition to edition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:41, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Beat me to it - I was planning to go digging on Russian and Polish sites today to see if I can find something. :) Feel free to makre the changes and add sources on the pub level and cleanup the notes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:51, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Thank you for the research. Will do the updates. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:12, 13 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Uralt, mein Feind ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4934516 this one]: Rudam PVd it 4 years before you did. Are you absolutely sure that his book does not have the first edition stated? When he [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3337533 added it], his note read "noted stated"? I propose to wait for him to verify before we remove the stated qualifier... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:11, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, I'm sure: checked it two times! Rudolf has quite often the "noted stated" misprinting (when it should read "not stated"). It's ''very'' unusual for this publisher to not state a first German edition (and at first I fell for this trap), but it's in fact what is there. As a hint see the difference between the DNB and/or OCLC entries for this one and the one for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?676175 Vazkor] for example (fifth line of the DNB entry). I guess the (missing) information was copied from another publication in the sub-series 'Science Fiction Classics', in which ''usually'' real classics are published (and ones that were published before in German). For the Dickson the collection's original English publication was just five years before and the single stories weren't in every case so much older. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:32, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: You checked Rudam’s book two times? I have no concerns with your book at all (although why a day earlier you thought it says that is a bit of a mystery but mistakes happen) - my concern is not what the book you are holding says. My concern is the other PV’s copy. Would you have accepted this edit if it was not your book and you were moderating and a second editor was changing major data points in the notes (which they confirmed matching the previous day) or would you have tried to ensure first that they are holding the same edition and we do not need a clone instead? Apparently Ron read the initial status of this note as saying that the value is stated as well (that’s why he approved your changes the previous day). You are probably right that you have the same book but I’d still try to discuss that with the other PV first. :) If he is not around for awhile, then we can change that with a note explaining what the other PV had stated before (“The first PV had marked the edition as “noted stated”. It is assumed, based on the usual practices of the German publishers, that this is a misprint for “not stated” and there is only one version of this book” for example or words to that effect). That way it is clear what happened here and in case we read the weirdly phrased statement wrong, we have the paper trail for the change. What do you think? <br />
:: There are 9 books with this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=Noted+stated+ note]. I will ping him to clarify what he meant and we can easily sort them out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:50, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Well, no, of course I didn't check Rudolf's book, just checked my copy, but mine does seem to be printed the same way as the ones catalogued at DNB and OCLC. Sure we can add the note accordingly. The examples are mostly for Goldmann & Bastei Lübbe publications in the mid-Seventies, and in these times both publishers didn't state first German editions. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: And this should also go in the note, as it is a justification of why you read the statement the way you do. :) So let’s do that in order - leave a message to him, if he does not respond in a few days (he seems to be away just now), send another update with the note properly added. Thoughts? Meanwhile I will work with him to sort out the 9 publications with this note. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:25, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Spektrum der Wissenschaft, #3.21 cover ==<br />
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Where is the title and date coming from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937197 here]? I do not see a note anywhere in the publication, cover record and there are no moderator notes? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:43, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's from the original appearance of the piece as interior art. Will add the according note to the parent title (and correct the title type). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. Add this in the moderator note next time. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:20, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Reinhold Kammler ==<br />
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Could you please clarify what the proposed note -- "Was 1981 at home in Vienna, Austria" -- in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937820 this submission] means? Does it mean that he lived in Vienna, Austria as of 1981? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:06, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes. Would it be better to phrase it as "Was 1981 living in Vienna, Austria"? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:08, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for clarifying! I have changed it to "Known to have lived in Vienna, Austria as of 1981." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:20, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #147: Amoklauf der Maschinen ==<br />
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When you have a chance: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?654734 this one] remained the only mismatched one in one of the years you cleared. I am not sure if it needs an update or to be split out so leaving that to you. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:28, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do the update. Thanks for the hint! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:06, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Wünsch dir was! ==<br />
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Hello again :)<br />
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Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2837007 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2363651 this]? If they are the same, they need a merge. If not, we need to disambiguate or at least add notes. As you have both magazines, you are in the best place to figure out what we need to do :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:49, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Ah, yes! The 2018 one was published quite a while back, so that I didn't realize that the title was used again (they might be developed into a series: I'll see if there are future instalments. For now, I'll disambiguate the two: thanks for finding them! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:06, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Agency ==<br />
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Added the second ASIN in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?800153 this one] and cleaned the note (the note was there because the ASIN was not working on amazon.de (misspelled a bit in the note...) and the ISBN was not leading anywhere on the German Amazon when I added it). When there are different ASINs across the Amazons for the same edition, we list all the ones we source from and add a note which belongs to which Amazon. Thankfully it does not happen too often outside of certain US/UK paired publishers (but when it happens, it can be annoying). So just heads up! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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:Thanks, Annie! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:10, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Zweitausendvierundachtzig: Orwells Albtraum ==<br />
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Hello again, <br />
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Both OCLC and DNB show [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828410 this one] as part of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?2152 AndroSF]. Not sure if you left it out intentionally or not but just heads up. If it was intentional, is there something that makes it different from the rest of the series (I add books from this series occasionally so if there are some specifics, I'd love to know them). :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:06, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll upload the image, add more contents and the series: I forgot to add the series, but I usually review my recent edits to find typos, mistakes and omissions like this one; but thanks for keeping an open eye: there may still some faults slipping through. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:43, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I would have just put on my monitor list to see if there will be an update later but as it was a series I work on now and then, I wanted to make sure it was not intentional and I do not need to look out for something in the books that have the series. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #799: Abschied von Terra ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?380654 This one] needs either to be split out or have its editors fixed. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:03, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, thanks for finding this one. Submission under way. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:04, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Old sites on author pages ==<br />
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Instead of removing them completely, see if archive.org will give you a snapshot we can use. Like I just did [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?265255 here]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:55, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Franziska Wolff ==<br />
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When you have a chance, add a note either [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?323974 here] or in the parent where the pseudonym is disclosed. I take you at your word that it is in a book so I approved but let's add the note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sources needed ==<br />
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Can you share a source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4942497 this change] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4942402 this change]. Unless we have a source telling us that an English author does not get shelved under their last name, we always assume it is the last name only. Spanish and Portuguese are different but English is very straightforward in this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:22, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:You're right, of course. For a reason unknown I thought that the rules were different for 'classic' authors. I'll cancel and resubmit. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:44, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: We use this name for the Author Directory and for sorting in searches if you chose to order by that. So having the value as someone expects it (which for English speakers will be last name) is what makes sense. So for Romilly, a quick search finds [https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/romilly-hugh-hastings-4502 this] and if a Dictionary of Biography has him under Romilly, that's where we want him :) Galactic Central has Estay under E ([http://www.philsp.com/homeville/gfi/s349.htm#A9915 here] but as you know the link is not stable so we cannot link it directly) - which is not as definitive as a dictionary but I would follow their lead unless I have another source somewhere. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:53, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Atlan, #200: Herrscher im Mikrokosmos ==<br />
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"Juli 1982" and 1982-06-15 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?829057 here] :) I suspect a copy/paste mistake from the previous entry in the note but as these are hard to spot, heads up so you can sort it out when you add the cover. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:58, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Will do. Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:00, 24 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Gate of Ivrel ==<br />
<br />
{{P|514656|Gate of Ivrel}} has the same cover art as {{P|279676|Orbit UK PB}} edition [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 19:50, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Oh, yes! Many thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 26 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible Typos ==<br />
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Here are some possible database typos:<br />
* millenial - {{T|127268|Millenial Eve(s) (drama review)}} in {{P|59018|Interzone, #132 June 1998}}<br />
* phenomenom - {{T|1612366|English-Language SF as a Socio-Cultural Phenomenom}} in {{P|211705|Science Fiction Studies, Second Series}}<br />
* relevations - {{T|1166830|Deep Space, Deeper Relevations}} in {{P|59009|Interzone, #157 July 2000}}<br />
If you could please check and correct or add title notes, it would be appreciated. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:10, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Will do my best, though the SF-Studies book will need some searching. Thanks for the hints, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:20, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Drachengestirn ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Can you find [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500470 this book] and come join us [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Thomas_F._Monteleone.27s_Dragonstar here] while we are trying what to do with these books. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:09, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks, I have answered there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:56, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: You have an answer - sounds like you need to move this translation? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:17, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver testing ==<br />
<br />
As I said on [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Bottleneck_at_moderation_level]], last week I changed the software to support "self-approval" -- see [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-approval_support]]. It was a fairly significant change and you are now the first editor to test it on the live server. Self-approvers should be able to approve and reject their own submissions. Please give it a try and let me know if you run into any issues.<br />
<br />
Also, please be extra careful when editing records which other editors have worked on. Communication is key :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:25, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thank you very much, I'll test it. And from now on I'll be very cautios with other people's work. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:33, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== German translations of Irma Chilton ==<br />
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Hi Christian,<br />
I need help with some complex editing of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?223006 Irma Chilton].<br />
Right now the situation is as follows:<br />
* She has written two short novellas: "Take Away the Flowers" and "Fuller's World".<br />
* These have been published as a collection with the name "Take Away the Flower & Fuller's World".<br />
* There are three German language publications by her:<br />
** "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" (Boje)<br />
** "1. Auftrag im All" (Pelikan Tramp-Buch), indicated as a licensed publication from Boje<br />
** "Schmuggel im All" (Pelikan Tramp-Buch), indicated as a licensed publication from Boje<br />
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Right now "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" is claimed to be the translation of "Take Away the Flowers". It is right now unknown (in the database), which are the sources of the two Tramp books.<br />
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I do not own either of the books, but from what I have read in several forums (e.g. [https://forum.sf-fan.de/viewtopic.php?p=196266#p196266 at SF-Fan]) I am 100% sure that:<br />
* "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" is a translation of the entire collection "Take Away the Flower & Fuller's World".<br />
* "1. Auftrag im All" is "Take Away the Flowers".<br />
* "Schmuggel im All" is "Fuller's World".<br />
<br />
In my opinion this would be the only explanation that makes sense, and it is in line with what I have seen in other publications in the Tramp series. The Tramp books are sub-licenses of Boje that is mentioned in the books. In that case all translations would be by Siegfried Schmitz (which is not mentioned there).<br />
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Also, I think that the cover artwork of "Schmuggel im All" could be by Edward Blair Wilkins but that should be checked separately.<br />
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Even if you think that these changes are too much of a risk as they are speculations without checking the original publications I wanted to document my findings here so that others do not need to start from the beginning.<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Naut|Naut]] 02:54, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I think you're right in your assumptions, since both Tramp books are stated as licensed by Boje. Thanks for the informational update, I'll converge the titles accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:28, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Good solution that you have found. Thanks! [[User:Naut|Naut]] 05:08, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:37, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Eschbach, Abschied von der Erde ==<br />
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Hello Christian, can you help me to add this [http://www.andreaseschbach.de/files/abschied-von-der-erde.html story]? Thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 11:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure. Would you like to try it? Here's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?765405 an analogous example] (of course - or likely - we don't know much about the pages or the price). Only be sure to mark it as nongenre. I'll take a second look after the edit, if it's okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hello Christian, thank you for the example. Here is the result: {{P|836910|Die Welt, Samstag, 20. April 2019}}. I hope everything is correct, please take a look. Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 09:58, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Looks good! Maybe a note on the source of the shortfiction (author's web page) would be fine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Now with the link. Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 13:18, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== {{P|833362|Nova, #30}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, in this pub is a gap from p.101 to p.160. Should I add the contents? Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:19, 26 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:If you'd like to do it you're welcome. It got somehow lost in my to-do list: wanted to read & enjoy the contents in full before entering them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:02, 27 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hello Christian, everything is done (I hope). Please take a look [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:28, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Great work! Thank you very much! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:10, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Aligning notes'' ==<br />
<br />
Hello Christian! What is the meaning of the phrase ''aligning notes'' as a justification, when you make changes in the notes where we are both PV? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 06:46, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It means to have the notes as in other publications of a given series. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:50, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Whereby your wording and your order of the individual notes are predetermined? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 07:25, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Not necessarily, but with 'Titan' it seemed somehow useful for the avid reader to have one orientation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:33, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: One other thing that seems more important is the role of Wolfgang Jeschke: he is credited as co-editor but doesn't appear with the parent title (and is obviously not a pseudonym used by Aldiss): would 'Wolfgang Jeschke (in error)' possibly be more appropriate? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:41, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Do I understand that correctly, that the decision of what may be necessary and what is useful for an avid reader is made by you? Other PV should follow accordingly even if they are the first making a different entry in the notes? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:55, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Well, the more there is in the notes the more there is that a user might find useful. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:14, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::Well, but sometimes less is even more.But you still haven't answered my question. So I can assume that you keep changing some notes of mine that have the similar content as yours and feel the urge to change the sequence of my notes, even though I am the first PV. Also, I didn't catch that the notes of a given series have to be structurally identical. Could you please guide me to the corresponding rule. I appreciate your effort. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:48, 8 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: If you feel the way that unstructured notes for publications where you are the first PV should prevail we can leave it at that. Sorry that you might feel I have stepped on your toes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:40, 8 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::Nice that you've got it. BTW, in case you haven't noticed, in practically all ISFDB pubs, the notes aren't structured. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:47, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Yeah, but the majority of them generally have only stub notes; that shouldn't be a reason to not work on them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:12, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::''Wolfgang Jeschke'' isn't the editor of the original anthologies, but he is of course the editor of the entire ''Titan-series''. We can't leave him out. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:55, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It's only that he didn't do editorial work other than for other translated works (anthologies among them), where he ain't credited. The contents for 'Titan' were selected by other editors, and Jeschke only organized the translations and the cover artworks; there seems to be no original content work he did. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:12, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: From that point of view you are right, but his name is associated with all 21 TITAN issues and is emphasized on the cover, spine and title page. It reminds me a bit of the alleged part, Isaac Asimov played as editor for the Greenberg/Waugh anthologies. His name was prominently featured on the cover. I would therefore recommend, just as with Asimov, that his name be kept. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 12:11, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Okay, I'm fine with that point of view. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:24, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Makroleben ==<br />
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Cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?364664 this] is Angus McKie. Same cover art as on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87404 this] book. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:25, 11 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Many thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:36, 11 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)'' ==<br />
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Checking the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?731973 edit history] of the paperback edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?731973 ''Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)''], I see that the title was originally entered by [[User:Galacticjourney]], one of the contributors, as "Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)". On 2019-09-23 you moved "Rediscovery" to the "Series" field. On 2019-10-14 Annie removed "Rediscovery" from related title records.<br />
<br />
Yesterday, [[User:Galacticjourney]] [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Can.27t_log_in indicated] that "Rediscovery" is part of the title proper as opposed to a series name. As far as I can tell, there are no related books with "Rediscovery" in the title, so it would appear that he is right. Would it be OK to change the title back to ''Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)''? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:47, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Yeah, it should stay in the title. Looks like I just fixed the extremely sloppy editing that removed it in half of the places (in preparation of cloning for the ebook) without checking if it should have been edited to start with (my bad on that). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:48, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Without a second volume in the series, it is best to put 'Rediscovery:' back into the title(s) proper (which I just did; I also corrected the stated 'First edition' for the ebook). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:36, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: It is the first edition of the ebook, Look inside even showed it when I looked when I added it. Why would you “correct” it? Can you please share your research that led to removing data from the edition? The only cited source is Amazon and it says so. So we record it. If you have other information, please add your sources and reasoning to the edit. Otherwise, please do not edit something to contradict the cited sources. <br />
::: And apparently you could not be bothered to fix the titles that take their names from the reference title (again) so I will finish your edit again. :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:49, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: The statement for a first edition was obviously erroneous, the print edition preceded it. If it's stated, 'Stated first edition' would be right to add to the notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:26, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It looks like there may be some minor discrepancies between what Look Inside shows and what the Amazon.com record shows. For example, Look Inside says "August 2019" while the displayed Amazon record says "September 2, 2019" (perhaps the date when the e-book became available at Amazon?). It would be helpful to document these discrepancies in Notes to avoid questions in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:42, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: If the source and the book declare this as a first edition, we document that (or you add notes explaining the discrepancy). "Apparent first ebook edition" is nonsense in this case because of what the sources are saying. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:56, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: That's why 'Stated first edition' would be right, as explained above. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:07, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: With a single source, anything un-attributed specifically comes from that source - which in this case is Amazon and the statement "data from Amazon" makes it clear. Adding Stated is not needed here - but I added a note where exactly it comes from. None of that explains your "Apparent first ebook edition" from earlier today. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:25, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Weg zum Mars ==<br />
<br />
Just a quick note to let you know that I have adjusted the parent authors of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854643 verified ''Der Weg zum Mars'']. Is it safe to assume that it was the only volume in the trilogy translated by Heyne? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:10, 5 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for the updating! I wasn't able to find the original novel (and Хачатурьянц) at Wikipedia or at FantLab. There was a German edition of 'На астероиде', which I'm gonna to add this week, but I don't know yet if it's part of the series, at first glance the book didn't give a hint towards that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:28, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: According to [https://fantlab.ru/work780752 FantLab], it's part 2 of a trilogy:<br />
::* Путь к Марсу (first serialization 1978, first book publication 1979)<br />
::* На астероиде (first serialization 1981, first book publication 1984)<br />
::* Здравствуй, Фобос! (first serialization 1982, first book publication 1988)<br />
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:: Unfortunately, since FantLab's bibliographies are author-centric, finding anything published by authors who do not have "curated" bibliographies is a chore. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:49, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks!. It was (theoretically) possible to search by publisher, but the publications appeared to be not ordered chronologically, and I have to admit, that I gave up after the first twenty-something. But I'll add the 'На астероиде' to the series upon entering. Thanks again. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:58, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== German poetry ==<br />
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If you have a minute, can you check if you can find earlier editions for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Need_a_little_help these poems]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 20 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's seems possible that the poems were published before 1905 in a magazine or a newspaper. I have found no evidence for this, however. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:20, 21 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Yeah, I cannot find anything either. I did not put the word first in the notes exactly because I was not sure it is first so that’s the best we can do for now I guess. :) Thanks for looking. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:43, 21 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Your capitalization changes ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Just a reminder to write moderator notes when you make extensive changes like the ones here: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5100882 Changes in every story] (or any changes really when other editors had worked on a record)? While it may be obvious to you, it won't be in 3 years. Also - when you do that kind of changes, don't forget to follow up on any parents that may exist (it is wrongly created and I am cleaning it up but there was a parent out there with the old capitalization. I would have also posted a reminder for the editor although Portuguese may need some reversals - European and Brazilian Portuguese capitalize differently apparently (why would anything be easy). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:53, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the reminder, Annie (and for the information to the editor)! Right now, I'm working on works and publications by Lem. Nevertheless, I tend to do other things that I run across, and maybe, that's not as good a idea as it seems to be (but on the other hand, every betterment has its benefit). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:09, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Oh, it is always a good idea. Just get in the habit of adding moderator notes - especially when doing cleanup. I started way back when before I became a moderator and now it is a second nature. We don’t need an essay - just a reminder note - in this case I’d say “capitalization” and be done. Makes the “what happened here” easier to parse. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:14, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Okay, will do so in the future. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:16, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Allan Quatermain ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5102776 This] had a very interesting price. Can you check to make sure I picked the correct currency when fixing it? Pre-unification German currencies trip me up occasionally. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:04, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Ooooops! Yes, a strange price that was indeed, thanks for the find. DM is correct. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:12, 30 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Orphan Perry Rhodans ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Can you figure out in which PR series do these 3 fit:<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843076 Perry Rhodan, #282: Die Spur führt zu Jagos Stern]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843074 Perry Rhodan, #281: Kampf in der Tiefsee]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843072 Perry Rhodan, #280: Die Weltraumdetektive greifen ein]<br />
They had been sitting on the board alone since March and are starting to feel a bit lonely... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:11, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And while you are around [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?856123 Perry Rhodan Sonderband] also needs a series. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:13, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for the findings, Annie! Will do the first, but the 'Sonderband' seems to be a one-shot so far: it was published to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the series, and there may be more in five and/or ten years. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:12, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Editor records need to be part of series in the DB. So either it is a magazine/fanzine (and has one) or it is a different thing and needs a type change. Your choice. I’d just stick the name of the Pub itself as a series for now. Or put it directly under the master PR series - surely it must be connected to the big sprawling universe in there. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Okay, you're double right: I did some research at Perrypedia, and there were in fact two previous publications in the series, different in character, though (not entered so far). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:38, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: Always fun when that happens, isn’t it? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:45, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tom O'Bedlam oder der arme Tom von Bethlehem ==<br />
<br />
What do you mean with "The cover design should be credited to Atelier Ingrid Schütz on the copyright page." [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?594754 here]? I am wondering about the "should be" part of the sentence :) What are you trying to convey exactly? And there is another "should be" over there - both sound like an attempt to say something which came out weirdly in English. Did you mean "most likely" or "with a certain degree of certainty even though we have no access to the book" or "based on other books, it is expected to be there"? If so, the better expression will be "most likely" plus a note about the reason for your thinking that it is the case. Or just state where you got the information from and don't try to guess what is on the copyright page if you do not have access to it. <br />
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The way it is written now is as if you are telling the printer what to put on the pages, not a format that shows what might be on the page. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:59, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Noted. Thanks for the help! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:56, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Parabel vom Sämann ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331034 review] for Die Parabel vom Sämann [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362530 here] is connected to the English title and not the German one. Is it reviewing the English title or is that a leftover from some of the old conventions? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: In the same book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331033 this one] is connected to a short story and not the collection and a few more are going to the English titles. You may want to check them all. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: No, these are the German title and the anthology reviewed (didn't review the connections upon veryifying). I'll reconnect. Thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:55, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: We have a new report for cross-language reviews: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?301 here] - while we were fixing languages and splitting language versions in the last years, we forgot the reviews connections somehow. You may want to check the German ones in there - sometimes they need to stay like that so if there is a PV I will be knocking on their doors to check/verify anyway shortly. So if you have the time and inclination, some help will be appreciated. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:06, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: PS: Like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412301 this one]. Are all of those non-German titles really used like that in the book (as the review titles) and are they reviewing the original texts? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:09, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Yes, they are; at least they are titled this way. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:18, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I'll clear these from the report then later so someone does not decide to fix them. I'd add a general note in the publication as well if I were you explaining that (it is uncommon so more notes, the better). Thanks for checking! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:24, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Menagerie von Babel ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you check if [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2055389 this story] has 7 or 17 in the title? I would not be surprised if it got changed for German but just making sure it is not a typo in the DB. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:25, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, it has the '7' (and it even states the original title with a '7'). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:07, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for checking. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:27, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan #3137 ==<br />
Hi,<br />
could you please have a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?852244 PR #3137]? According to the cover, the author is Robert Corvus, but it's currently listed as Uwe Anton. According to Perrypedia, Anton was the originally scheduled author, but it looks like that changed. Thank you. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 16:11, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for finding this! That one just slipped through the net. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:13, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Converting to chapbooks and languages. ==<br />
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When converting to chapbooks like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5139193 here], keep in mind that ALL newly created titles will NOT have a language because the work does not have a reference title. In such cases, add the chapbook record only. Save it. Fix the language of the chapbook. Then edit again to add all the art pieces. Otherwise someone needs to manually fix the language on each of them one by one (21 of them to be exact in this case) :) Alternatively, do a single update but then fix the languages of all titles. Thanks! <br />
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: Thanks, Annie. I thought I had grabbed them all.<br />
:: You got the chapbooks. The 21 art pieces across English and Swedish had no language. All sorted now - just keep that in mind - these can be annoying that way. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Also what is the source for claiming that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391615 this] is first edition? [https://www.worldcat.org/title/mio-min-mio/oclc/7772523 OCLC] does not say so. No other sources listed. Same for the printing - OCLC does not specify first printing and there may have been differences that disqialify this record (sourced by this OCLC record) and carrying this cover and these illustrations from being the first printing. So how did you determine that this is a first edition? It may well be - but we need to show at least a source OR a justification to claim it so. And we need a source for the number of illustrations you added - OCLC does not have that either :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:16, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Will add the source. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:46, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which Wikipedia? And which pages - the book, the author, the artist, a combination of? Contents differ per language... We need a link to the correct one in the Web Pages (or correct ones if more than one is used). Someone should be able to follow our research when done online based on our notes - saying just "Wikipedia" is like saying "Google" :) <br />
:: And I do not see the 17 illustrations mentioned in either the Swedish or the English versions. Or the German one. Unless I missed it somewhere? So where did you find these mentioned? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Christian? Can you please point to your source for the 17 illustrations? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:57, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Yeah, well Wikipedia of course and the upcoming German edition(s). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:37, 6 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Tramps von Luna ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have digital copies from {{P|721869|Das große Robert A. Heinlein Lesebuch}} and {{P|670004|Die Tramps von Luna}}. In the first one the novel has 18 chapters (the last sentence is: Hazel öffnete die Augen. »Ist sie das?«), in the second one are 19 chapters (the last sentence is:Der Start unterbrach ihren Satz. Aber Roger Stone wußte, was sie meinte. Saturn – Uranus – Pluto …). Please take a look how the novel ends. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 18:00, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, the earlier translation was noted as likely abridged, I think that does explain the differences. I'll clarify the notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:27, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== One Cover ==<br />
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The cover I just added to Richard Bach's One is the same as the later edition; some editor entered a note for that edition that there was no credit for the cover art but there was for cover design and entered that, which is wrong, so neither of them should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:45, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This may be so, but [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Gzuckier Gzuckier] was the one who added the initial credit, so please do ask him for the reasoning behind this. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:54, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moon Quest ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Just a quick reminder: If you are adding any extra titles (covers, interior art and so on) during a novel -> chapbook conversion, they are created with no language so you may want to chase them down and add a language to them while you are still working on the book. If you first add the chapbook, then set its language and THEN add the additional titles, you do not have this problem. But when you add them when you are adding the CHAPBOOK title, their languages need to be set manually. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259461 Moon Quest] pinged in a report with both of its art titles being language-less. Fixed now. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:56, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks, Annie. I'll try even harder to expand my memory cells. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Alternatively, keep an eye on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?194 report] when you know you did some conversions the previous day. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:14, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== lub hnub qub tshiab - Neuer Stern 67 ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?825350 this] for me? Looks like the author of that single story tried to add Neuer Stern 67 but... that's one weird title on the whole magazine. And then there is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854606 this one] as well - is this a fanzine or magazine? Any chance you can find something in the German blogs/publisher site/something to get these up to shape or at least to make that first one less ugly and figure out the type if nothing else? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:25, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, but I can't find anything about the correct title (the weird part might be part of the title, but our conventions would imply to have the fanzine's (!!!) title first, I'd think). One thing I was able to find is that it's really a sort of newsletter for the club, so definitely a fanzine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:56, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Google translate tells me that "lub hnub qub tshiab" is "New Star" in Hmong (which may or may not be the truth - Google Translate is getting better but some languages are more challenging for it and I know nothing about Hmong to be able to do some checks). But "Neuer Stern" is the same in German. So I wonder if it was not a Hmong issue or something? But yep - under our rules magazine/fanzine generic title is always first in the title. The only thing I can find is [https://www.scifinet.org/scifinetboard/index.php/blog/64/entry-9817-neuer-stern-66-67-roboter-frankenstein-elstercon/ this] which confirms the story being there but does not have anything about Hmong. Thanks for checking! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:11, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Nice find! I'd think that the editor(s) searched for an exotic translation of New Star / Neuer Stern and put that one into the title to puzzle the readership (which worked!). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: That would also explain why I see nothing Hmong related in the issue description/contents. I had not seen the editor who adds these around lately but I will leave them a note as well and maybe we will get to the bottom of all this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:40, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Feinde im Weltall? und andere Novellen ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
<br />
Need a German eye for a second. Is the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?402542 here] ℳ1.00 or is there something else happening with this - at the end (1907 will make it the Gold Mark so I am pretty sure about the currency but if that is also not it, let me know? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 16 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, it should be ℳ1.00, which was valid from 1871 until 1914. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:16, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Wiktor Piwowarow ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?335724 Pivovarov] is definitely not the [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 sportsman] but the [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%94%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 painter]. :) I fixed the link to Wiki and his legal name. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:53, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Ah, yes. Thanks Annie, it didn't occur to me that there might be two Pivovarovs (well, it might, if I'd be able to really read Russian - not only decipher most letters). I just wondered why the Wikipedia had the year of birth as 1957 and not 1937. Thanks for the correction, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:46, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: There are actually [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80 5 of them] that were important enough to have articles - just one relevant to us though (funnily enough 3 of them are born in the same year making it even more confusing if you cannot read the descriptions). Feel free to ping me if you need someone to assist with my languages. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:59, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Will do! Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:05, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Metropolis ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/metropolis0000lang; Saw you did some Metropolis edits after my recent edits; have you seen this? Says Second Printing 1981. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:43, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yeah, your Fritz Lang update triggered the 'Metropolis' conversion to SHORTFICTION / CHAPBOOK, a thing that I became aware of quite a while ago (but forgot about it, working on other things). I saw the second printing of 1981, but am not sure if it's the hc or the tp that is reprinted (the second seems more likely, but you never know). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:52, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Currency question: Peter Schlemihl's wundersame Geschichte ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646729 this one]. Can we safely write "Taler 1.25" or is there something else going on with this currency that will require a different format? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:01, 3 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Ah, I see the problem of the double space. I've updated the record to Taler 1.25. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:44, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Ministry for the Future title & pub dates ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'm curious why you've zeroed out the day-of-the-month for the title and several pubs of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2772326 The Ministry for the Future]? Whilst I appreciate that "street dates" often don't match the official pub dates, AFAIK [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date policy] is to use the official date, and - again AFAIK - the dates listed by Amazon, Kobo, etc for the digital pubs should definitely be accurate to when those products became available to download.<br />
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Losing this info is unhelpful for some projects I've been mulling over (but haven't actually gotten around to implementing, sigh):<br />
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* Analysing peak weeks-of-the-year for pubs - flattening everything to a 28-31 day period would make this less accurate<br />
* Doing cross-checks between the data in ISFDB versus the data I've locally scraped from various sites, to check for errors, delays, etc<br />
* Potentially looking for discrepancies in Tuesday vs Thursday pubs to see if stuff has been allocated to the wrong publisher (e.g. Tor US vs UK, Orbit US vs UK). In itself, this wouldn't be reliable, and would likely have lots of false positives (seems like lots of UK ebooks come out on Tuesdays to match the US), but in conjunction with other signals like currency or ISBN range, might help to prioritize the most likely to be errors.<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 11:06, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:The available (per Amazon's look inside) copyright statements only speak of 'October 2020', thus - as a policy - we use this as the official publication date (since it is the stated one: official statement ruling out a vendor's statement). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:11, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: But by that logic, loads of recent UK pubs should be submitted with a yyyy-00-00 date, because the info on the copyright page doesn't go to a more granular level than the year? (I have just double checked this with a bunch of recent-ish UK books from big 5 imprints, most of which were first printings, and all just had the year listed.) <br />
::: There's a difference, in that those statements mostly have a copyright statement, not a statement for a publication date. {{unsigned|Stonecreek}}<br />
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:: Also, I'm not sure that details from the copyright page of one pub merit changing the details for other pubs, especially if they are from (arguably) different publishers? The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5193936 UK hc] doesn't have a Look Inside preview on Amazon .com, .co.uk or .de, and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?795201 UK ebook] only states a year per [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ministry-Future-Kim-Stanley-Robinson-ebook/dp/B08C5DWVRK/ the Amazon preview]. (As an aside, the edits mean that the note on that ebook pub are no longer correct w.r.t. price) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 12:13, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Well, in the hc case, the kindle edition states 'Originally published in hardcover and ebook by Orbit in October 2020'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:12, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
: As long as they are properly sourced, removing dates based on copyright statement is IMO database vandalism. Christian, please stop doing that. We date books based on ALL sources - if we can date exactly based on publisher/seller site and we can add a note on that source, we should not remove the date because the book only mentions the month (or the year). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:00, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: PS: All dates had been restored as per the sources in their notes. Adding a note that "OCLC only lists the month" or whatever else note you want to add to specify that some other sites specify something different if you want but please stop removing data from the DB and leaving the notes in a state that does not match the data in the listed sources. Thanks! I really hope you had not been doing that on other books and thus destroying data in the DB consistently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: One more note. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?791721 this one]. We have a PV who left the date. They even left a note explaining the source of the date (Amazon.com). And yet you changed the date leaving the note incorrect <br />
:::* Should have not happened on a PV'd book at all - you don't "fix" other people's data without talking to them based on what you think the data should look like.<br />
:::* Leaving the date and the note not matching makes this a really bad edit - even if the data loss was not. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:20, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) The issue of using YYYY-MM-00 date values taken from copyright pages over more precise YYYY-MM-DD date values from other sources was debated back in 2006-2007 when ISFDB 2.0 was launched. At the time, the majority of editors believed that exact publication dates used by Amazon and other online booksellers were unreliable and did not necessarily represent actual publication dates. This resulted in a convoluted process of capturing the exact (YYYY-MM-DD) pre-publication date from Amazon, using it to generate the "Select Forthcoming Books" list on the front page, then changing the date to a YYYY-MM-00 date printed in the book when the publication was verified. To the best of my recollection, this practice was abandoned in the mid-2010s and we decided to keep the more precise YYYY-MM-DD date when its source is properly documented in Notes. It's similar to the way we add and document other types of information -- like cover artist names -- from secondary sources.<br />
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I don't think the old, abandoned, method is documented anywhere in Help, but, based on the discussion above, I suspect that Christian may be still using it. Does this make sense, Christian? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:38, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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Having said that, changing primary-verified publications like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?791721 this one] without consulting the verifier and leaving records in an inconsistent state is not acceptable and something that the reviewing moderator would normally be expected to catch. Since you are a self-approver, the responsibility to enforce ISFDB conventions and keep records self-consistent falls on you. Please make sure this doesn't happen again or else it will jeopardize your self-approver status. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:30, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Yeah, I was using the consenus you refer to, and it must have been debated even after 2007 (because I wasn't around then). The verifier hasn't been around for almost a year, and had the contradictory dates (stated month within the publication vs. day stated by a vendor). The consensus still is - to the best of my knowledge - that Amazon is not a reliable bibliographical source per se, and we use the dates in those cases where we don't have a more reliable source (for example the copyright page of a given publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:56, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: I ducked out of this conversation because I spent some time digging through old rules and standards archives to see if this had previously been discussed. I believe [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Stated_publication_date_vs._actual_publication_date.3F this exchange from 2012] might be what Ahasuerus is referring to? My reading of that discussion was that Christian's changes could certainly be interpreted as in line with that discussion, but also that that discussion was based on presumptions that might no longer be as valid as they were, at least in the context of new (2015+) books and/or downloaded media? I haven't yet run across any discussion that might relate to "this practice was abandoned in the mid-2010s", but my ability to go through years of R&S discussion has its limits ;-)<br />
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::: Re. "the contradictory dates (stated month within the publication vs. day stated by a vendor", personally I don't believe that "Published in yyyy" or "Published in monthname yyyy" in a primary source is contradicted by secondary sources that list a particular yyyy-mm-dd value - Where the yyyy and mm match up, of course - and that if we have reasonable sources for the yyyy-mm-dd, these should be used, and that these shouldn't be replaced by yyyy-mm-00 values unless there's a good reason, and if so, that reason (and the original yyyy-mm-dd value) should be documented in the title/pub note? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 08:12, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: Sounds a reasonable way to deal with it: I do know of some (German) publishers that do their deals first - directly - with their customers and/or special 'hardware' book shops (those that one actually can step into), and make it available only after that to online (or other) vendors. So, I recall that the date stated with Amazon was assumed to be the one that a publication was made available there (nothing more, nothing less). This has lead to the above statement that we enter this date when there's nothing better available to us (and that'd be the case for many new publications upon entering them). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:25, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: Amazon is not reliable for dates on OLD books - as in pre-2009 maybe and books that only have listings from external vendors. Things had changed since then. Multiple times. These days Amazon.com for new US books and Amazon UK for new UK ones, especially when they are from major publishers and when the publishers don’t move the dates are pretty reliable for dates. Plus there were multiple sources listed on the UK books here - all of which you just ignored :) The US ones may not have been listed but they are easily foundable and all agree on the date. Assuming that both me and John did not verify the dates when adding these books was arrogant (and how any of that logic for hardcovers applies to Audio books and eBooks that you also changed is a mystery). Let’s not use the German practices for dating US/UK books going forward. Plus as I said - for some of those Amazon was not the only source and “I assumed so” without bothering to check the publisher site or anything else is never a good reason to delete data. If you are not sure about a practice in a different country, please ask - don’t just assume it matches Germany. As i had to correct another publication “fixed” like that by you, i have a suspicion that we are looking at another cleanup efforts to cleanup after your edits… Maybe you need to spend some time with the help pages and refresh your ideas in how the site rules had changed in the last 10 years or so? That’s not the first time you are applying rules which had been out of use for a decade (dating of variants come to mind). :) <br />
::::: Anything else I can assist clarifying around dating of English language books? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: PS: The short version of the request here: The basic rule for blanking a date (or any other data really) should be "is there a reason not to trust the date?" and not "oh, I don't trust dates so I will always remove them" which seems to have happened here and elsewhere. More data is better than less data so unless you have a reason to think an already added date is incorrect, leave it in place, please. Especially of there is a source (or 4) corroborating. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:00, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Sorry, Annie, but none of your statements refer to the consensus that seems to still hold: we use the officially stated date of publication, when we have one available. And that the one stated at Amazon (or another source) isn't the official date was made clear: nowadays it is the date of distribution (for Amazon). If you could point me (and us) to the argumentational thread where the consensus mentioned above was changed, I'd be most grateful. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:13, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::::: That's not the practice OR the consensus. We date books based on all available sources and document our sources. We don't throw away sources and data because Stonecreek don't trust them (and don't want to do a search to verify them). Please stop removing dates on books where there is no suspicion on when the book was actually published. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:32, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: Yes, it is: per the discussion from 2012 referred to above this ''is'' (or was then) the consensus. Even more, the help for entering the date of publication explicitly says what to use: ''For books, to identify the publication date, try to find a statement (often on the verso of the title page) that says something like "Published in June 2001"''; the exception referred to after that statement is only for later printings. So, what else is there as a point for deviating from that? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:49, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::: Removing valid data is never acceptable. If you change them back and delete the data again, I will restore it again as we have a valid source to corroborate the exact date. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:35, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Christian, if you disagree with a moderator's interpretation of the data entry rules, using your self-approver privileges to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?2970434 undo the moderator's edits] is a completely unacceptable way to go about resolving the disagreement. It just starts an "edit war", which should never happen here. This is not what the self-approver status was created for; additional instances of this behavior or ''any'' other abuse of the privileges will result in their termination.<br />
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The right way to resolve this issue would be to post your arguments on the Moderator Noticeboard. If the subsequent discussion warrants it, we may take it to the Rules and Standards board.<br />
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BTW, to check the current practice, I have compiled a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_month&O_1=exact&TERM_1=2021-01&C=AND&USE_2=pub_ver_date&O_2=contains&TERM_2=2021&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication list of primary-verified publications published in January 2021]. Out of 126 pubs, only 30 (14 of them are magazines) have 2021-01-00 dates. The rest have full 2021-01-DD dates.<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Stated_publication_date_vs._actual_publication_date.3F the 2012 Rules and Standards discussion], it ended with MartyD planning to come up with new Help language and post it for further discussion, which, as far as I can tell, never happened. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:02, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Well, the help page - referred to above - states it the way we overcame to in the discussion, regardless if the help was changed afterward: if not, it appears the discussion ensured the text. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:41, 13 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Alte DSFP Nominierungen == <br />
Wow, Super, danke Dir für Deinen hilfreichen Links hier! (ch switche hier einfach mal ins Deutsch, wenn okay?)! Ich muss mich da echt mal einlesen und habe ja als ersten Projekt den DSFP nachzutragen, da warst du ja selber im Komitee! Paar Angaben auf der Webseite stimmen wohl nicht (copy & paste Fehler beim Übertrag der der Vorjahre) aber die ersten Preise sollten ich seit 1985 haben. Gibt es evt. irgendwo ein Archiv, wo man tatsächlich noch die alten Platzieren herausfinden kann? DANKE! --[[User:Jannis|Jannis]] 06:18, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, and welcome to my talk page! <br />
: If you don't mind, I do prefer to write in English, though you may ask in German, if you aren't sure how to phrase things. The reason is that this is a site for which the work is done in English, and other editors may have difficulties to read and understand other languages (and it may become tedious to translate things from one language into the other and back - which may be needed in case of information relevant to ISFDB).<br />
: Having said this, I will try and help you with the award if I can. Alas, there seems to be no online archive for the older nominations, but I'll try and take a look into my magazine & nonfiction stack, if there's more information to be found there (though for the very first year - 1985 - there was nothing to be found so far). Do you have any access to old issues of the magazine / fanzine "Andromeda Nachrichten"? The nominations should be listed there, if anywhere! And may I ask you about your background and how you did find out about me (because I think my being with the comitee was not communicated far and wide)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:36, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Sure, switching back to English, no worries! Btw is this the way the right method to directly communicate here? And sorry, I hope it's not spoiling a secret, because it's stated on the open NOVA website: https://nova-sf.de/eine-site and sadly no access to "Andromeda" :( Next task: I must add some info about my<elf on my page here :) [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] 11:42, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, this is the right way to communicate with the single members / editors of ISFDB. One more quite important page may be the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk Help Desk] where you can ask anything that you may find puzzling about entering or ensuring data. <br />
::: If you like you may also want to add information to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?318201 your summary page]. How to? Just click 'Edit Author Data' on the left tool bar, listed under 'Editing Tools'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:25, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Moderator Noticeboard discussion of the Perry Rhodan changes ==<br />
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Could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Unverifying_publications this discussion on the Moderator Noticeboard], which is related to these Perry Rhodan changes? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:11, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 2001: Uma odisseia no espaço ==<br />
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I see that you have edited [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?664749 2001: Uma odisseia no espaço], a primary-verified publication, after asking the primary verifier on 2022-01-27 and also asking for feedback on the Community Portal. Seeking consensus is always good a thing, but let me remind you what I wrote [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:AlainLeBris#Stalker on AlainLeBris]'s Talk page on 2022-01-21:<br />
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: Christian, it's been less than 24 hours since your original questions were posted. Please do not edit publications primary-verified by active editors without their consent. If you believe that a verifier has made a mistake, e.g. a name was misspelled, and the verifier does not respond to your inquiry after a week, post your findings on the Moderator Noticeboard. To quote the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_if_I_want_to_make_a_change_in_a_verified_publication_record.3F ISFDB FAQ]:<br />
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:* If you want to change or remove information, please ask the verifier first. If the verifier doesn't respond in a week or so, post a note on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]] and someone will help you.<br />
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: This is the standard procedure and all editors are expected to follow it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:15, 21 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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Again, this is the standard process and all editors are expected to follow it, yet your edits have repeatedly gone against the process over the last few weeks. If you do not follow the process again, your self-approver privileges will be revoked. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:29, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Okay, thanks, I'll do my very best! I hope I'll not be carried away again trying to help things making better. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:40, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art credit for Science-Fiction-Stories 79 ==<br />
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Christian, I've added the cover credit for Rich Sternbach to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?642914 Science-Fiction-Stories 79] as it's a variant of a Galaxy cover of his. I modified the comment about the indecipherable signature to note that the art has been flipped. Martin--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 10:21, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Many thanks, Martin! Great find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:44, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|632555|Bruder der Gorgonen}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, on the cover is a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/8/8f/Greenaway_peter_van-bruder_der_gorgonen_sig.jpg signature], maybe you can read them. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:01, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, Henna, but I remember having spent some time to identify this artwork upon verifying the publication but couldn't decipher it either. The artist's style also didn't ring a bell. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:35, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Als der Weihnachtsmann vom Himmel fiel ==<br />
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Can you check the ISBN [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?876827 here]? It is a bit too late for ISBN-10 and if it is indeed the only one printed (being a reprint and all), a note explaining that should be added. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:36, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:With this being only a transient verification, I do assume that this is most likely a cloning error. I'll update the ISBN. Thanks for finding this, Annie! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:31, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Bardioc ==<br />
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After your latest edits, the link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?553981 in the notes here] is not valid anymore. Can you find out where it is supposed to link now? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:25, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:It must have been defunct before, since I didn't do anything with it. Fixed. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:00, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Possibly. :) But it needed fixing and you had been around the title so had a better chance to figure it out than me starting from scratch :) Thanks for fixing it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:02, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Ring of Thoth ==<br />
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Regarding {{T|1094940}}: Variants are dated based on the first appearance under that title and author credit. 1890 was the original appearance of the story, not the original appearance of this variant. Doyle was knighted in 1902 so any credit with Sir has to be after that date. I have restored the prior date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:06, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Juvenile flags ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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A gentle reminder that if a story is marked as juvenile, you also need to mark all chapbooks which contain it as juvenile (and vice versa). A few of your additions and updates in the last weeks showed up on the discrepancy report (and are now fixed) but please keep that in mind. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks, Annie, will try to think of it in the future! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:37, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|2374871|Fabeln aus künftigen Jahren, in denen die Menschen in unterirdischen Bunkern leben werden}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, is this the same text like in ''Zeitschleifen''?<br />
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Ein Ingenieur hat geschrieben, daß sich die Felsen in der Umgebung von Prag zum Bau von unterirdischen Bunkern für die Prager Bevölkerung eignen.<br />
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''Im Zeitalter der unterirdischen Bunker''<br />
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Wenn man überlegt, daß die frühere Menschheit ihre Behausungen über der Erde gebaut hat! Welch primitive Zeiten das doch waren!<br />
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Thanks for looking it up [[User:Henna|Henna]] 12:54, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, it is: it is even stated as taken from the anthology ''Zeitschleifen''. Thanks! Christian<br />
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::Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 08:25, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 7. & 8. Reise ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I think in {{P|552030|7. & 8. Reise}} the date 1961 for the two stories is wrong. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 11:22, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sure! I do wonder how I got to this date. Strange things seem to happen... Thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:51, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Das Killer-Ding ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?390487 this] is by Angus McKie. It's a mirror image of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21342 Manalone]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:41, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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Thanks! Great find! I'll add the information. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:28, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Welcome template ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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If you are going to be posting these, please do that properly: it is <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> and not just <nowiki>{{welcome}}</nowiki> as the page for it [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Welcome very clearly states]. Otherwise you make it VERY hard for an editor to answer or figure our why their page appears to be locked (as the direct call opens the template, NOT the local version). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:09, 17 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Aera: The Return of the Ancient Gods (part 7) ==<br />
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As you did this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4929481 edit], can you please clarify where you got this title ("Aera: The Return of the Ancient Gods (part 7)" from? <br />
:* The "Look Inside" shows "Episode 7" clearly. <br />
:* The cover has just "7" - which is technically irrelevant due to the title page being available.<br />
:* Our rules for naming of serials are very clear: "If the title of a SERIAL installment is unique, e.g. "Butterflies in the Kremlin, Part Eight: As the Bear Turns" or "Ciężki bój (cz. 1)", then use the full form of the title."<br />
:* Even if the title page did not contain a unique title, the rules would not have created your title: "If, on the other hand, the title is shared by at least one other SERIAL installment of the work, append a space and a parenthetical statement such as "(Part 1 of 3)" to the title."<br />
So where is your title coming from? Changing titles from valid titles to invalid ones (which you may prefer) is not a good idea. The lack of notification to the editors that had worked on that title is also a bad idea (and you had been reminded of the common courtesy expectations before - although this being an oldish edit, it probably was before that). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:45, 17 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Guess I had only the rule for the parenthetical statement in mind as valid. Sorry! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:47, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant title dates ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I see you're still changing variant title dates to the date of the original, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5266880 here]. Please try to remember the date should be that of the first appearance of the variant. Also, do you have any idea where the 1972 date of the original comes from? There's no note explaining this. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:55, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll add the corresponding publication this week. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: It is always a good idea to add notes on dates provenances (or any other pieces of data but dates in titles are often disconnected from books like here) if you are not adding the book supporting it immediately. If that title with this date had been submitted for moderation, you would have been asked for the source so a note can be added. As Self-approver, the expectation is the same. We all have plans but life happens and things get missed and forgotten so let’s try not to have any data added without notes on its provenance? Can you add a quick note explaining that date? You can remove it when/if you add the book later. Thanks in advance. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Riesenvögel kommen ==<br />
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Ho there, Christian! Can you tell me what [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2226371 this] is about? Does it say what the original article was? Thanks.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 20:10, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm afraid it doesn't. It's about a new generation of giant airplanes. I can't find a corresponding title with that meaning with the Bob Woods page, but I guess it doesn't have to have appeared necessarily in "Future" / "Future Life". (We don't have the initial publications of Chaffee's artwork - depicting two to-be-developed airplanes - either; it's even possible that this is a first publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:47, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Geheimprojekt Venus ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have a problem with this pub {{P|370748|Geheimprojekt Venus}}. In the notes is a wrong parent title and the digest should have this copyright text:<br />
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„Abenteuer im Weltenraum“ – erscheint 14täglich im Alfons Semrau Verlag, Hamburg 4, Heiligengeistfeld, Hochhaus 2. Fernruf 3120 76. Alle Rechte vorbehalten. Alleinauslieferung: Alfons Semrau Verlag, Hamburg 4. '''Printed in West-Germany 1958'''. Für unverlangt eingesandte Manuskripte wird keine Gewähr übernommen. Rücksendung nur gegen Rückporto. Gesamtherstellung: Nordland-Druck GmbH., Lüneburg.<br />
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Please take a look. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:31, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rencontre avec Ovaron ==<br />
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Hi Christian. Concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5286359 this edit] that made the publication show up on the "Title Dates after Publication Dates" cleanup report. I asked Linguist to check, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#Rencontre_avec_Ovaron here]. First, you should not have changed the date without asking/informing the primary verifier. Second, his answer makes it clear that your "correction" was wrong. Do we need another cleanup report? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:10, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
Ps, see also the cleanup report [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:24, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Perry_Rhodan_franz%C3%B6sisch#Band_188_.E2.80.93_215 Perrypedia] has the date as March, this is why I changed the date. (I planned to order a copy, but didn't do that before the beginning of my holidays - I now have). I do assume that this source is more dependable than taking the date of printing. I'll bring this to Linguist's attention. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
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== Die Schwerter von Zinjaban ==<br />
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Did I err in approving the author change, I was just about to change the pub and write a note to the verifier. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:02, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, already answered on your talk page. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:05, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Any thoughts why the English language editions credit both, but not the German? (Amazon Look inside available on UK edition). 09:10, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Likely because Catherine Crook de Camp was at the time almost unknown to German readers, and because all other titles in the series were published as by Lyon Sprague alone. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:17, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for your help, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:18, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Golem 100 ==<br />
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Hello Christian. Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?414786 this] is not Oliviero Berni as the publication credits but Terry Oakes. The artwork is depicted in Steven Eisler's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1769794 The Alien Worlds] and credited to Oakes in the Acknowledgement on p.96 of that book. I'm going to make the change and note it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:47, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, do so, please. During the first half of the 1980s this publisher had real difficulties to give the right credits for the respective cover art. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:57, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I've made the changes and edited the notes. I pretty much had a feeling it was Terry Oakes. I just had to find the book it was illustrated in and check the credits. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:08, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Yeah: it ''could'' have been by Berni but is nevertheless somewhat different from his usual style. Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:26, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant title dates. Again and again ==<br />
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Was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325685 this edit] really necessary? As has been told to you a number of times, the date of a variant title should be that of the first appearance of the variant. In this case, interior art is not the same as cover art. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:07, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, it ''is'' exactly the same artwork (title & language) as the cover art, and it ''does'' look more strange that both works are dated differently. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:25, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Again Christian? Re-read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek/Archive4#Changing_dates_of_variant_art_titles this discussion] where in the end you promised to follow the consensus. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:31, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: I did. Dealt with: of course, the pre-dating to 1981 was correct. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:44, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: So nothing is changed. You still read only what you want to read. Explain to me why we have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?275 this cleanup report] exactly for this kind of error. I will not have the same discussion with you over and over again. You were wrong, and you still are wrong. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:31, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It would help if you do read the notes for a title. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:42, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I did. Again, interior art is not the same as cover art. The variant (interior art) must not have the date of the parent (coverart). And again, if you want to change the consensus, discuss it on the rules & standards page, do not impose your private rules on others. Remember the last time you were so stubborn cost you the moderator flag. Do you want to lose the self approver status too? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:52, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Sorry, but it appears you want to change the consensus: the note refers to the first known publication as interior art (there may have been a previous one, and even more contemporary publications). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:31, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: You're totally confusing now. Do you mean you forgot to add the interior art to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367225 this publication], or is there another 1981 pub not yet in the database or do you see an invisible 1981 pub under [this title]? Is it october or december? and where did you find (please, a link to that discussion) consensus to add an earlier date to a variant title? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:12, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: I do mean a separate publication not in the database: virtually all publishers issued regular catalogues of available & new (= soon to be published) titles, wherein the older titles usually just got listed but the new ones were prominently featured with their cover images; Heyne did publish those twice a year (in April and October), immediately predating their new Winter and new Summer program. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:12, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: So that's your new excuse? Didn't think about discussing the idea first did you? May I draw your attention to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Contents_never_included rules of acquisition] under advertising? I don't think such a catalog counts as a publication. If you want that, discuss it first.<br />
:::::::::: To recapitulate, first you change the date to december 1981 with no note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325685 this edit], and when I challenge the validity of that edit you change it to october 1981 with a cryptic note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326497 here] I.m.o. against the rules of acquisition. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:41, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::: They're quite obviously pieces of nonfiction that would have to be put into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42599 this series], though it's debatable if the publications are eligible (with the departments on sf taking about one seventh to one sixth): I do intend to use them as such, since they do provide information on publication history. But if you do like to change our rules of notation of first publications of titles when published within nongenre titles, please do open a discussion: there are masses of nongenre essays published within newspapers by above-the-threshold authors that would need a recalibration of notes and dates. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:59, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: Let me rephrase the question then. Do you want to use a publisher's advertisement of a publication to date a piece of interiorart when the rules state "No advertising of any kind is indexed". A simple yes or no please. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:13, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: Let me repeat my answer: those are pieces of nonfiction, not advertisements: there are some ads to be found inside, for example for the next (expected) bestselling book or featuring the works of a certain bestselling author (say, Colleen McCullough), but these works were also to be found inside the alphabetical listing, which was a listing of (soon-to-be) available book titles. (We are speaking of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalog catalogues], i. e. works of reference, also known as special types of nonfiction).<br />
::::::::::::: (Let me add that it's not okay to come up with nibbling at long-established series when the consequences don't serve one own's preferences.) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:30, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I give up on you. You can't even answer a simple yes or no question. You're incapable of admitting you're wrong in anything (see your first answer "it ''does'' look more strange that both works are dated differently" is totally against the consensus). I won't bother you anymore with things like this and take it directly to the community. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:19, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Let me remark that you would just have needed to read the answer directly before your question and you wouldn't had have to ask.<br />
: 'You're incapable of admitting you're wrong in anything': it does seem there is also somebody else writing here in this thread ;-). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:48, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Amok ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Boskar Boskar] has confirmed that Atelier Ingrid Schütz is only credited with cover design. Do you have additional information that caused you to credit cover art on the three unverified publications? Let me know if you prefer to make the changes or I will do it. 08:11, 29 May 2022 (EDT). This was me. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:48, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Who's writing this (please don't forget to sign your comments / questions) and what publications are you referring to? If this has to do with the latest additions to 'Richard Bachman' books published by Heyne: I have seen the credits with printings other than those already in the database. If you prefer I'll do a transient verification for those and fill in the missing notes later when I can lay my hands on the publicatiuons again. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:24, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ryan North's How to Invent Everything - nonfiction vs novel ==<br />
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Hi, I see you changed this title from non-fiction to novel a couple of years ago [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4777827]. I've just finished reading this, and whilst I don't think it's 100% unambiguous, I'd definitely consider it to be non-fiction rather than a novel. The time-travel aspect is just a framing conceit for the non-fiction elements that comprise the core content - although without that framing, I guess this book would be ineligible for inclusion here, so it's not irrelevant.<br />
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The closest thing I could think of to try to find a precedent for how to characterise this was in-universe fact books such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?31475 The Dune Encyclopedia], and I see that is also classed as non-fiction.<br />
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Also, I think you added the synopsis for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2601713 the title record]? At least for the British edition, that description isn't quite right - it's presented as a manufacturer's manual for a time machine to cover the event the time machine breaks down in the past, and the foreword implies it was written by an alternate-timeline version of the author working in the position of technical writer, not as a stranded time traveller.<br />
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Are you OK if I change the title type and synopsis accordingly? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 10:24, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My changes were based on the three German reviews, but mainly on the one by Kathrin Passig & Aleks Scholz, which was the most extensive one (I haven't read the book itself). <br />
: But if there's a framing story please do consider it being a novel: we have other titles judged for inclusion just on the framing (for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?874803 this one], which has Death as telling the otherwise non-speculative story). But in the end: please change to your insight. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:35, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. I have switched the types of the titles and pubs, and expanded the title synopsis and note to (hopefully) explain why the book is categorized as it is. Something I should have been clearer on in my comment above, is that there aren't any characters, plot or other elements that (conventionally) are part of a story, hence me wanting to classify it as non-fic.<br />
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:: Cheers [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 16:34, 8 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Okay. It's just that I understand the rules (and the meaning) for non-fiction to be non-fictional. We have masses of texts that also don't have any of those elements, but are classified (rightly so) as fiction; here are some examples: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?845711 Space Mail] (an anthology of fictional letters), synopsises & fictional biographies, and the likely most extreme, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57594 The Index], for which the title describes the form exactly, but is nonetheless a piece of fiction. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:52, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Caldwell ==<br />
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/TM-Caldwell/e/B00T0RFEG4/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_11; I suspected these much later stories were by a different Caldwell, and they were; this Caldwell's a woman. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:12, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I'll adapt accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:42, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Falcons of Narabedla and the self-approver status ==<br />
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Please see the outcome of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Falcons_of_Narabedla Falcons of Narabedla discussion on the Community portal]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:48, 14 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Falken von Narabedla / Die Späher ==<br />
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Please check the final sentence of Die Falken von Narabedla in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551087 Terra Nova 181] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?901149 Die Späher]. Are they a translation of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1946 1957 Other Worlds version] or the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040549 1964 expanded version]. The notes of both publication state ©1964, so the second is most likely. The final sentence of both versions are in the respective notefields. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:59, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for the idea, but I asked Mavmaramis to have a go at an independent word count estimate, which will help to determine the length of the later version. If both versions turn out to be novellas it has to be discussed if they shouldn't be merged anyway. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:14, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Christian, if you want to keep frustrating things, I'll just assume they are both the 1964 expanded edition, confirmed in your pub notes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:40, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hello Willem! The last sentence of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551087 Terra Nova 181] is ''Ich holte tief Atem und legte meinen Arm um Cynaras Schultern. Dann rief ich Adric, auf das er das Glück mit mir teile.'' and translated ''I drew a deep breath and put my arm around Cynara's shoulders. Then I called Adric to share the happiness with me.'' Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 17:56, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Yes, Rudolf's right and the ending for the version in "Die Späher" also fits the 1964 version. It's just that it still seems to be a novella, see my comments at the Community Portal and at Mavmaramis'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:09, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks. I'll move both to the 1964 edition. For you Christian, it is established that the two versions are very different. See the notes from Ahasuerus. Even if the expanded edition were a novella, the two should never be merged. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:58, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Okay, maybe i thought in the beginning that the texts were (almost) identical. Sorry for that. I also tend to think that we shouldn't have two texts with the same title type that tell the same story. We have established that for many novels, I think, in adding notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:40, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== FYI ==<br />
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Hello Christian! We disagree about this title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?382535 DAS GROSSE SPIEL] and I don't fancy an edit war. Therefore I‘ll introduce our difference in the Rules and Standards portal and open for discussion. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 05:11, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, Rudolf! I'll reply there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Puppe Maggie Moneyeyes ==<br />
I'm just clearing my own DB and linking to ISFDB. I got a problem with Chapter 2<br><br />
"13 • Vorwort: Wie Science Fiction mich vor einem Verbrecherleben bewahrte • essay by Harlan Ellison (trans. of Foreword: How Science Fiction Saved Me from a Life of Crime 1967)",<br><br />
Author Harlan Ellison; Nevertheless, at the end of the chapter it is signed by<br>Ellison Wonderland<br>Hollywood, California<br>September 1966<br><br />
I'm aware of the book/title "Ellison Wonderland", and I'aware of the fact, that Harlan writes about himself.<br><br />
Should "Ellison Wonderland" beeing introduced as a pseudonym of Harlan Ellison?<br />
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: Hi! I don't think so, the author for collections is typically only stated on the spine, the cover and the title page, and we use the credit on the title page for all of the contents written by the respective author. Plus: "Ellison Wonderland" seems to me more likely to be the name of a place, like "Graceland" was the name Elvis Presley had chosen for his mansion. Hope that helps. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:33, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== To Say Nothing of the Dog duplicate records ==<br />
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Please see [[User_talk:Willem_H.#To_Say_Nothing_of_the_Dog_duplicate_records|this conversation]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:54, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the hint, I have unverified mine and will delete it: it was in fact verified later than the other one (on 2011-05-05). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:30, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?907277 ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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You dropped "Editor: Stefan Bauer." from the notes in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?907277 this one]. Was that on purpose or did it go by mistake while clearing the previous line? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:56, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:This was on purpose, it was a relic from the first edition and is not stated within the new one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:08, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: OK then :) A moderator note mentioning that is always helpful when this happens - otherwise you may be getting a lot of notes making sure that a line was not removed by mistake. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:22, 1 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes, notes, notes ==<br />
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Hello again :) <br />
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Can you please at least add a note on the source when adding new publications such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?908987 this one] - even if you are not adding the complete set of notes yet. I know you will get back to it BUT a new editor will see that and assume no notes on non-verified new publications is ok and life can get a bit tricky sometimes so these may stay like that for a long time. I approved the ones on the board but... please remember to add just a rudimentary note on the sources (even if it ends up being a throwaway later when you expand) or verify on addition. Thanks for the understanding! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:30, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do (at least add something rudimaentary): In this case I wasn't sure if there's a 'Report' in it or not, so I decided to add the complete notes upon the dawning of knowledge. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:15, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Figured that there is something like that happening. But at the very least "data from source" or "issue added based on advertisement in issue X" or something like that is helpful. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:18, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Photos and Interiorart ==<br />
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Hello Christian! I have a query. You want to add two photos in this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?384702 Die Guerillas von Terrania] as new regular titles and labeled them as interiorart. I don't remember that photos are classified as interiorart. Where did you found this rule? Thanks in advance for your assistance. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:54, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Well, I've seen plenty of them added lately (for example for The New York Times / [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?899369 The New York Times Book Review] (which isn't even a genre magazine), so I do think it's okay to add them for genre publications. <br />
: Like the inclusion of excerpts meant as ads for upcoming novels (which weren't regularly included when we began), this policy also seems to have changed over time. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:53, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for pointing out that it has already been accepted. Now, I' m surprised, despite the fact that the guidelines don't specify it that way. It states that photographs of authors are not included. If so, the policy need to be rewritten. I'll put this up for discussion. Thanks again for your reference. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:05, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::It seems that according to the previous rules, the PV alone can decide if he labels photographs as interiorart. Sorry for the belate approve.Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:17, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: No problem at all, Rudolf! I'd also wish that the rules would be more explicit for photos. I decided to include them in this case since they were taken by Hubert Haensel, an above-the -threshold author. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:24, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Titanic Magazine ==<br />
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I question [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5383512 this submission] changing the date of the rollup from 2022-00-00. The year only date is standard practice. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:27, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: It doesn't seem to be: this only seems to be standard practice if there's only one editorial credit for a given year, otherwise it's meaningful to achieve a chronological order to have the dates ordered, for example by month. Please take a look at these examples, found without major effort: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?136819 MFSF], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1112309 ditto], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?993041 Omni], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2853007 Perry Rhodan]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:38, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Andreas Eschbach Essay ==<br />
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Greetings Stonecreek, would you mind checking to see if these two are the same? [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843203] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3068105] Tnaks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:55, 13 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hello, John! No, they aren't; the first takes the author's contributions to the Perry Rhodan franchise into its focus, the second gives an overview of Eschbach's role in German sf. I'll add a note to the second one. Thanks for the hint to the seeming doublette. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:44, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Hop Aboard Kids, We're Going to 1984: Seven Children's Books and Illustration, Art, or Cosmic Kitsch? Six SF Art Books ==<br />
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{{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} contains {{T|3068541|Hop Aboard Kids, We're Going to 1984: Seven Children's Books}} and {{T|3068542|Illustration, Art, or Cosmic Kitsch? Six SF Art Books}}. It states both of these originally appeared in {{P|293929|Foundation, #10 June 1976}}. There is no such essays listed in that pub. However, there are seven Peter Nicholls book reviews on page 82 and six Peter Nicholls art book reviews on pages 114-119. I am assuming these are what are being referenced. Do either of these review groupings have a overall title in Foundation, #10? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:04, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:No, it just lists the books reviewed at its heading. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:45, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Okay, I will make the appropriate notes. Thanks for checking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Dave Langford, who put {{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} together, has sent me an email about this issue. Here is what he says:<br />
:::* Foundation in that era added overall titles to reviews and groups of reviews: the coverage of the seven children's books and the six sf art books each formed a continuous block of text with the lower-case headings "hop aboard kids, we're going to 1984" and "illustration, art or cosmic kitsch?" However, these titles don't appear in the Foundation contents list.<br />
::: Does this match what's in your copy? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:04, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: David Langford is right: it'd pay to actually take a look into the issue. This practice only was conducted in the issues of 'Foundation' that were edited by Nicholls (and I think he wrote in one of the editorials that they were added by him, and not by the review editor). IMO they don't make the reviews into essays: they otherwise don't differ from reviews in earlier & later issues and are all part of the respecive reviews sections. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:45, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publisher's Pantheons & Consumer's Guide to Recent Writing on SF ==<br />
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{{P|293930|Foundation, #11 and 12}} has {{T|1540526|Publisher's Pantheons}} on page 101 and {{T|1541948|Consumer's Guide to Recent Writing on SF}} on page 168. {{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} reprints these respectively as Publishers' and Consumers'. Before I variant, I wanted to check these were not database errors. Would you mind double checking? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:19, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: They were indeed entered erroneously. It'd be right to merge those two (that is, four) titles. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:58, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Merged. Thanks! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Perry Rhodan Sonderband'' change submission ==<br />
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Hi. This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5415109 submission] had a title it used disappear, so I cannot do anything with it and you will have to redo it. I do not remember what is accessible after a hard reject, so I left it there for now. When you are done referring to it, if you cannot cancel it yourself let me know and I will do the hard reject. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 18:21, 9 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the info, Marty! (But I think this shouldn't have happened - importing into and editing a publication are independent from one another, or so I thought: is this perhaps a new bug?). I'll edit anew. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 03:38, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I think the update must have changed something about one of the content records, perhaps a page number, and the title associated with that record got deleted (most likely merged) after your edit was submitted. Whatever that submission was must have been approved first. I do not know of a way for me to tell what happened. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:07, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1118774 this title] was merged, maybe this was the cause? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:31, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperium ==<br />
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Christian, I have the following three submissions on hold. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416084 Second], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416086 Third], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416089 Fourth] printings of Imperium. The publication date for the second printing as stated in the notes reads "The month of publication was chosen to put this printing after the first one". The other two have similar notes. I'm not familiar with this practice. It appears to contract our standards, both in general and specifically with the Date: field. A quick [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_note&O_1=contains&TERM_1=month+of+publication+was+chosen&C=AND&USE_2=pub_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication search] shows that this is not the first time you have used this methodology. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:29, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Excuse me for interrupting but I am familiar with this situation. I have come across many pub records where the notes state that Month has been set arbitrarily in order to sort multiple printings in the same year. So, very early in my editing career, I tried to do the same thing... and Annie told me off (very nicely)! Apparently, this practice has happened in the past but it is no longer tolerated. You can see the discussion here: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:IanPercival#Foundation_and_Empire_.2F_Second_Foundation Part 1] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Teallach#Dating_and_all_that Part 2]. Unfortunately, we are left with a legacy issue of all the historic cases. You will find a lot more if you run an advanced search on publication where the Notes field contains both the words "month" and "arbitrary". [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:06, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: What would be better or right to do? We know that a later printing can't have appeared before an earlier one. Would we set all later printings of one year to the date of the first? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:16, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::I know you agree we have an obligation to ensure the record accurately reflects the underlying publication. When information is obtained from a secondary source, we document the source. Your submissions, particularly 'Perry Rhodan' are among the best I've seen. What you are doing here with the date field is turning it into nothing more than a sort field. Not only does it distort the underlying publication, but it also undermines confidence in the field across the entire database. Where does that leave us. We definitely do not set the date to the first printing. The help section is clear. If we can find a recognized secondary source, partial or full, we use that. Without such, we are forced to use 'unknown'. I know you find this distasteful. If further information surfaces, the record can be edited. I remember an extensive discussion regarding implementation of sort field(s). Hopefully this can be done at some point. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:09, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Okay! Would you please approve of the submissions and either let me correct the dating (or, if you prefer correct it)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:14, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Approved, I'll approve the date changes as soon as they hit the queue. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:23, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks! Submitted. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: I thought we were going with 'unknown'. Maybe I'm missing something, how do we know the subsequent printings were released in 2012? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:48, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Approved. I went brain dead for a minute. Ignore the previous sentance. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:05, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Will you commit to correcting all the publications where you have used an arbitrary date and abandoning this practice? If so, I will support your request. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:01, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #3186: Alraska ==<br />
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Christian, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416182 this submission]. In light of your note, I think crediting 'Swen Papenbrock (in error)' and then varianting to 'Arndt Drechsler' would be more accurate. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:46, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, that would be even better. I'll cancel and resubmit. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:17, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I saw [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5423803 this edit]. Did you decide not to change the cover art credit as suggested or did you want me to do it? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:06, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Blanking spammers' Talk pages ==<br />
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I appreciate what you are trying to do with spammers' Talk pages, but it makes it more time-consuming for moderators to get to the original text, confirm that it's spam, delete the page and block the spammer. Please don't do it going forward. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, just thought that sometimes the text may be not recognized and gets a base in our wiki. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kiepenheuer & Witsch ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Saying "Now located in" is not a very useful thing - what happens 3 years down the road when they had moved but noone updated the entry? Not everyone knows to look at the History and try to figure out when that was valid (and not-logged people cannot even look at that). Instead use something like "As of September 2022" or whatever date you know they were there - that way even if they move, the entry is still correct. :) I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6131 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:04, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Okay, that's even better, though this is one of the publishers I keep an eye on: any change of place will be noted. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes (again) ==<br />
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Hello again, <br />
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I assume that for edits such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5426681 this one], you are planning to import the newly created parents into a book somewhere OR add notes into the originals which were not imported (for a date provenance). That should have been in the moderator notes (or even in the proper notes on the original) so that someone looking at the title before they get imported/noted, can trace why they have these dates... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:58, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Elephant ==<br />
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I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5426761 this one] too fast so I deleted it. The author name for this book is not Sławomir Mrożek but Slawomir Mrozek (unlike the accented characters, these two names actually can coexist on the server so these are two separate names in the DB). I deleted the book so you need to redo that one - but with the correct name for the author and all his stories. And yes, it is a pain with the Polish authors who have ł and ż and their names but we catalog based on the books, not based on how we wish the English publishing industry had printed the name, right? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:12, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: And while I am around - we have an <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> template for cases where you want to say "More contents to be added!". I replaced it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?916136 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:15, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I do think we actually don't know what version of name is stated on the title page, OCLC and the cover point towards Slawomir Mrozek, the reprint towards Sławomir Mrożek. But maybe it is better to wait for someone to take actually a look into the publication: it would be somewhat too tedious to enter all the titles possibly in vain. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:32, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Let me add that this addition was initialized by the SFE3 entry, which notes no distinction; do you think that this source may not be dependaple in that regard? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:11, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Unless you have a source contradicting the cover, I’d use what is on the cover for these and note that in the notes. Older English books are notorious for dropping any non-standard characters and I highly doubt that they used a different versions on the cover and on the title page. Online sources tend to overlook these and consider the age of the books as an explanation - we record as used on the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:19, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Unintentional deletion ==<br />
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Hello Christian! I have completely unintentionally deleted a comment for your request. I was not familiar with this "rollback" and I did not know what it evokes. Fortunately Ahasuerus noticed it and corrected it. So please accept my apology. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 11:36, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure, no problem! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:32, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Zyklus series and Series with Duplicate Numbers ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Quite a lot of the Zyklus series had acquired repeated numbers based on your updates in the last months. The DB is not designed for that so we have a report to look for these so they can be corrected. Can you please look at the report [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?17 here] and clear these? If you would like to propose a change in the rules/conventions/practices which will allow these to stand as they are, please head to R&S and so on :) If you cannot see the report, let me know and I will post the list here. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:09, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Annie, can you please give an example, because 'Only moderators can access the specified cleanup report'? I do suspect that titles like 'Perry Rhodan (1. Aufl.) - 1984' as by uncredited are meant, which appears six times, each time varianted to a different parent title (!?) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:33, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Looking more closely, it's more likely that titles like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1800838 Vorstoß nach Arkon] vs. the same-numbered (and in this case same-titled) [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1463714 Vorstoß nach Arkon] cause the problem (!?)<br />
:: It is the latter case - two titles with the same number in the same series. This is not a common scenario - the only other case we have that in the DB is a short story/interior art mixed series and I already pinged the editor who worked on it about it. And as usual, if this is not used that way in the DB, there may be underlying software issues when it is done (and having two separate different texts makes the series impossible to order properly. <br />
:: I wondered if the report is moderator only. Here is the complete list (series first, number that is repeated second, ignore the leading number (it is the report line):<br />
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231 PR Zyklus 18: Chronofossilien — Vironauten 1271.1<br />
232 PR Zyklus 18: Chronofossilien — Vironauten 1216.1<br />
233 PR Zyklus 15: Die Kosmischen Burgen 938.1<br />
234 PR Zyklus 16: Die Kosmische Hanse 1053.1<br />
235 PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel 214.1<br />
236 PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel 224.9<br />
237 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 184.1<br />
238 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 189.1<br />
239 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 167.1<br />
240 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 199.1<br />
241 PR Zyklus 3: Die Posbis 111.1<br />
242 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 77.1<br />
243 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 92.1<br />
244 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 56.1<br />
245 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 71.1<br />
246 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 69.1<br />
247 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 84.1<br />
248 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 86.1<br />
249 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 6.1<br />
250 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 11.1<br />
251 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 19.1<br />
252 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 30.1<br />
253 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 39.1<br />
254 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 8.1<br />
255 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 26.1<br />
256 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 2.1<br />
257 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 33.1<br />
258 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 4.1<br />
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:: Because they are all .1 I wonder if you were trying to do something somewhat creative but dumping them at the same number is not a good idea IMO. sorry for the formatting - these read better in edit mode - on my phone and formatting is hard from it. Any help you can provide clearing these will be very welcome :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:14, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, for the doubled numbers (like the above #39.1 'Vorstoß nach Arkon'): these titles all end at the same point in the respective internal chronology, they only were adapted in different ways. That's why I took to this solution. Christan [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:12, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: But the DB is not really designed to allow that, neither is that a practice we use and this is not the only series with books running in parallel… so they need to get untangled and get different numbers. Using the publication order to order them inside of the decimals is the usual solution with notes that the stories take place at the same time. Plus you may know why you did that but no one else looking at the series would know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:49, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::: Okay! On re-thinking this issue most of the titles will have the respective ending of the final novella anyway (for 39.1 the ending of 39), though some will have some changed or added ending. The idea was just to sort out the original novellas from their adaptations. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:04, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::: A subseries or set of a them maybe? We have a few other series where the original books were reworked/changed enough to require new title records and in these cases we make a subseries, add notes in the main series and in the subseries explaining the relationship (when known) and whatever number schemes there are. That way the series are also a lot more readable on the screen. Just throwing another idea your way while you are thinking on the best way to organize these. In all cases, write some notes on the series level explaining the special numbering - you know why you wanted to split them and why they belong where they belong, someone finding our records from internet who is not well versed at the Zyklus practices will get lost. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:46, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: I've thought about that, too. But since some the novellas were just translated, and the same ones were incorporated into fix-ups this would also lead to a (greater) mess. <br />
::::::: And for the French titles: they would then end up in different series (first they presented translations of the novellas, organized either in anthologies or collections; then changed to translations of the fix-ups). <br />
::::::: With more than 3,000 original novellas published so far in an ongoing chronology that was and is augmented with many additional tales, anyone hoping for readability or a fast grasping will be lost anyway, I think. But I'll add an explanatory note to the series; thanks for the idea. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:30, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: Series in ISFDB are flat so sometimes you need to make compromises and take into account how they are implemented and how they look on a screen when someone looks at them. This would be solvable a lot easier if a book can belong to two or more series :) As they cannot, we do the best we can with what we have. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:35, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Hochzeit in Atomweiler [8] ==<br />
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Can you please add an author and a language to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3085505 this poor title]? No idea how you managed to leave it with no author but it somehow happened. I suspect it is Daniel Mróz but as you are around and it is a verified book, I prefer to check. :) It probably also need a page number (or alternatively it needs ejecting from the publication and deletion). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:17, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Must have been a systems hiccup since titles with no author are not allowed when submitting (and I'm sure I also added the page). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:42, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It's ''very'' ominous that there's no record of my latest update when I added the additional pieces of art last week in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?410909 the pub. edit history]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Actually, that missing submission in the history explains what happened: the submission errored out midway through its run: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5432749 submission]. It happens occasionally (rarely but happens) and yes, that would produce a weird result. Check anything after that image though - as it seems it errored on it, anything after that may not have made it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:01, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Botschafter ==<br />
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What is the source for the date of the parent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5425727 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:24, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: A note on first publications in "Zabawa: Satire in lustloser Zeit". Sorry that the Polish chapbook was dated erroneously to 1981: there's no publication of it to be found at WordCat. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and note added. Please make sure that ALL titles which have no publications attached confirming the date (and are not parents existing just to move the title to the canonical author) have notes explaining their dates' (and if needed - their titles') provenance. You already did the research if you are setting the date, just document it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:01, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver flag set on the account ==<br />
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As per the outcome of the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Applying_for_self-moderating Community Portal discussion], the self-approver flag has been set on your account. Please use it wisely :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:05, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do. And more careful than before, too! Chrstian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 30 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== I Am Alive and You Are Dead ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/iamaliveyouarede0000carr; Recently uploaded to Archive, notes here say date source unknown but it says the date on the copyright page, I added link and changed 01 to 00 in date, you may want to add info to notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:55, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Zurück in die Steinzeit ==<br />
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The cover artist of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?491046 this] is not Boris Vallejo, but Tony Roberts, see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?276629 Survivor]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 17:48, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I ''was'' in doubt that Vallejo was the artist: there was no original English parent to be found. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:58, 15 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cartoon: Rüsselmops, der Außerirdische (Perry Rhodan Report Nr. 198) ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5443067 this edit] which impacts your verified pubs. Are these the same? Or should the second one actually be a different number? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:54, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Please reject, the later one should in fact bear the number of Report #199. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:10, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Rejected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:38, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ping-Pong mutations ==<br />
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Please stop [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?289 f#@$%ing around] or I'll make a request to revoke your self-approval rights. This is my last and final warning, I have clearly explained why you can't have it your way.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 16:24, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: I don't know if you're aware of this, but since 2020 someone's uploaded many of these books, https://archive.org/search.php?query=scheer+darlton&sort=-addeddate, including the 1 in question, which I've added a link to in a pending edit. If I may give you some advice, after that lengthy argument recently about the page count of some old M.Z. Bradley work, Falcons of ?, and now this, there are clearly several people here who have a long-standing grudge against you, and after having several strikes already they would love to prevent you from ever being a self-moderator again. There are countless things to be done here, even after more than 15 years of regular folks being allowed to edit (as my 37,000 edits in less than 2 years can attest to), so if somebody says something should be a certain way, just let it go and move on to something else. The alternative is losing your self-mod status and having to wait endlessly for a mod to get around to approving your edits, which has been getting much worse lately. Believe me, you don't want that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:12, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Please do make a request, Dirk, if you think it's up to a moderator's qualification to change verified publications without requesting (or even an information of) the verifier; this is quite below our standard, and you seem have taken to this habit lately. If you'd have asked, you would have been informed that the definition as CHAPBOOK is perfectly okay in light of [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive48#New_cleanup_report_-_Cleanup_report_to_find_CHAPBOOKs_with_multiple_fiction_titles this discussion]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:45, 7 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Okay, posted the problems you have at the moderator noticeboard. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:23, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: @Username: these additions/transformations were done in joined accordance, see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#French_Perry_Rhodan here] and the contemporary discussions: initially, the volumes were entered as novels, whereas they (from a certain point in time on and up to #199 of the French incarnation) contained translations of the original novellas, and thus need to be transformed accordingly. (This is one of the many things to do you mention). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:20, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Posting and the Watchlists and histories ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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A small request: when editing your posts, please leave the title of the post in the "Summary:" field under the post. Look at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard&curid=9221&action=history this history]. See how ALL updates (minor or not) but yours have the post name in front of them? When you delete that part when you are writing your own summary in that field, someone needs to go through comparisons to see what post you had edited and chase down the change making working through the board with multiple changes almost impossible to deal with (and almost ensuring that your edits may be lost if there are a lot of traffic - if someone does not have a reason to, they won't reread a post they do not realize has a new/changed message. So can you please leave the title of the post in the summary at all times? Thanks! 13:44, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, will do so in the future. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:51, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mitkey Astromouse ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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If [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1562 this] is an adaptation for young readers, then it is not the same story and needs to be unvarianted and to be left on its own and connected only via the notes. We connect translations, we do not connect adaptations which change the story drastically. Let me know if your note is incorrect thus making it a proper variant. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:46, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I'd say the adaptational part is only in the use of a somewhat less 'strong' language (more fit for children), and the story itself is represented completely. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:48, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Then it cannot be juvenile if the original is not. If if is adapted for children, it cannot be a variant. If it is a translation, it cannot be juvenile. You decide based on the text. If it is specifically adapted for children, I would never call it a variant personally. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:04, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: I haven't been aware that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5377091 an editor] changed it to juvenile, I'll change it back. <br />
:::: On translations vs. variant titles: there do exist translations that change the meaning of sentences, chapters or whole works into something different than the author had written. In this case I'd think there's not enough to validate a not-varianting. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:18, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #209: Im Banne der Scheintöter ==<br />
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Both Dirk Geiling's titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?921625 here] should be Interior art I suspect? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:48, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Of course! Corrected, thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Das Hexenschiff - dating issues again ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Can you please explain where did you get [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5273339 this date] from? When the date of a title is different from its first publication we have on the list, we either need a note explaining the provenance of the date OR that very first edition to be added. Same question for its parent and the chapbook it is in. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:53, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Same question for the dates [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?703780 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:55, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?3043856 Deadwood — Stadt der Särge], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040487 Der Jetset-Dämon], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3008984 Die Grabräuber], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3016229 Die Kreuzweg-Legende], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3038691 Die Vampir-Polizei], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3029975 Drei Gräber bis Atlantis], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3000479 Dämonenfalle Rom], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3034865 Geisterdämmerung], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040487 Der Jetset-Dämon] and all their associated titles (short stories, covers and chapbooks and the parents where they exist). Unless you are adding the older version of the book(s) immediately, writing notes when you change the dates are mandatory. Some of these had been changed in March and had been just sitting unsupported for 8 months... Can you please go and fix these? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:00, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And I found more... Can you see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?275 this report]? If you can, please get all the titles where you got weird dates on and fix them - either add the missing edition or add notes on every title where the date does not match the publications we have. If you cannot see the report, I will be happy to pull a complete list (in addition to the ones already listed above). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:03, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: All these associated titles were published initially in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1533 this series] and should have been dated accordingly upon entering the respective later publications (which I didn't do). But for the sake of it, I'll work through the list. Thanks for bringing this up. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:44, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: That’s great that you know where the dates come from but someone else finding them won’t know what they are looking at and if someone is working this report, they may not be nice enough to come ask you and instead will just reset the dates to what the publications show this losing your work and some of the data. As a basic rule, unless you are adding the first editions as well, each title needs notes explaining the date’s provenance. That’s not “good to have” - it is a “must have”. Thanks for working on them. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:02, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Stanislaw-Lem-Bibliographie ==<br />
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Hi Christian, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3097650 this title] appears on the cleanup report for 'Variant Title Dates Before Canonical Title Dates'. I.m.o. the earlier version should be the parent, not the variant. Was this on purpose? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 04:18, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes. I did this because the later one was more complete (adding new and formerly missed out publications & titles), and also because Klaus Staemmler was involved in the later one (and he seems to have added much of his knowledge). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:48, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks. Ignored, and thus removed from the report. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 11:09, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Can Such Things Be? ==<br />
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Hi. Please, if you have time, to approve [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5493926 this submission] (5493926). It's a lot of work. Many thanks. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] ([[User talk:Terraflorin|talk]]) 02:20, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry! I only am a self-approver right now; I'll post your request at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JLaTondre#A_request_of_approval JLaTondre's talk page]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:42, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::Edit has been approved. Florin, please add the variants to the original works. As the original was not all speculative fiction, if you find any contents that do not belong, they should be removed and deleted. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Only the fantastic stories were translated in this book. Once again, many thanks. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] ([[User talk:Terraflorin|talk]]) 14:32, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23795; Archive.org copy, https://archive.org/details/newworlds00garn, is 223 pages, not 219, in case you can check your copy and change if needed. I added a link in an edit to their copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:37, 29 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Prager Ghettosagen ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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When you have a chance, can you see if you can find more about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?923958 this book] in German sources - cover, format (hardcover or paperback) and the actual year or an explanation of the discrepancy as the two sources have different values). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:38, 1 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry, nothing really dependable to be found. A hardcover publication seems to be the most likely one, though, and the Czech source is displayed courtesy of Charles University in Prague, and is properly sourced, so 1896 seems to be the year. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:55, 1 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Yeah, I figured 1896 was the more likely and I lean towards hc as well but as I am not very well versed in German-language Prague books from the end of the 19th century, I figured I should come and ask to see if you can find something else. The Czech sources don't have much more (besides confirming the year actually). Thanks for checking! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:07, 1 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Einige werden überleben ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I've credited the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346875 Einige werden überleben] to Sanjulian and noted the original appearance, where it was identified as his work. Hubert [[User:Peregrin|Peregrin]] ([[User talk:Peregrin|talk]]) 11:52, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you! One more riddle of this sometimes improperly credited covers solved! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:01, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== World Cup Anthologies ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/agonyecstasyneww0000unse; Excellent work on A Book of Two Halves. Royle edited another anthology about football (soccer); 1 story is on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2382281. Other genre authors are in the contents; judging by the intro it sounds like at least a couple of the stories are futuristic, although there's also some non-fiction in this one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:02, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! I'll see if I can get hold of a copy of that one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:20, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::It's on Archive.org at the link I provided. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: I've seen that, but in this case I prefer to have a copy for reading (and hopefully enjoying). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:27, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: You had an actual print copy of Two Halves already or you bought one? Also, the archived copy of Agony is missing title page and copyright page and I don't see anywhere online that shows them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:58, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::: I bought one: the line-up of authors got me interested (and it seems that Nicholas Royle is even better as editor than as author). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:41, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Treffpunkt Knossos ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514044 this submission] that impacts your verified pub. Should the change (Baranek to Beranek) be accepted? If so, the publication record also needs to be updated. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:58, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, please: I'll update the pub. record accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:03, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== In Laurins Blick: Das Buch deutscher Phantasten ==<br />
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Christian, I added the contents to the existing hc record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?485933 here] and created the pb record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929721 here]. If you have time, will you look up the original publication dates for any new titles. Clearly it can't be 1982 since many of the authors died long before. Thanks for the help. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:58, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:You're right, this is a reprint anthology; some of the titles enclosed may have attributed with new titles, though. But I'll see what I can find out. Thanks for the link, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:02, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Correction: the last three pieces (by Franke, Frischmuth & Ende) seem to be original to this antholgy. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:12, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Die Unterdrückten ==<br />
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Cover art credit for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410907 this] is wrong. It isn't Alan Daniels but Tim WHite. I have had confirmation from Tim's daughter who stated "Yes it is one of Tim's" --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:03, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you very much! That's good to know. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:28, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick's Electric Dreams: Volume One ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'm looking at this set of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2275857 titles]. You and I are the only verifiers extant - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?639476 yours here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930999 mine here]. For mine, I've entered the book title (as on the title page), and all the introductions as they appear at the head of each essay.<br />
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Could you check yours to see if yours are the same?<br />
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I've put a call for info on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Philip_K._Dick.27s_Electric_Dreams%3A_Volume_One_-_info_wanted Help Desk] in case anyone has a copy of the unverified pubs. That said, and if no further information is forthcoming, would you as a Moderator have any objections to me changing the titling on the unverified pubs?<br />
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If you agree that that is all correct, I'll make all the changes necessary and post you the results back here. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:10, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, please proceed. You don't have to post the results, though, I'll take a look when the publicazion has been changed. Thanks in advance, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:41, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that :) I'll wait a bit to see if there're any responses on the Help desk. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:47, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nova, #31 ==<br />
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Hello Christian, in {{P|877392|this pub}} the page count doesn't fit.<br />
* The last numbered page is p. 326 -> ok<br />
* followed by a page with an uncredited photo portrait of Helmut Wenske -> p. 327<br />
* one page with a small ad for the publisher -> p. 328<br />
* the inside backcover featuring an ad -> p. 329 or not counted<br />
* page 331 (the inside back cover) -> it should p. 329 or not counted<br />
* Total page count 332 -> I think p. 328 without covers and inside covers<br />
Please take a look. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] ([[User talk:Henna|talk]]) 15:33, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Chiming in with the relevant help page: Magazines page rules are different. :) You count ALL pages PLUS the 4 covers - so if the magazine has 328 pages without the covers, it is recorded as 332. See [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Pages the help page]: "For magazines, the rule is to use the actual page count - including the cover. For example, early issues of Fantastic Universe numbered the interior pages from 1 to 192, not counting the front or back covers. This would be entered into the ISFDB record as "196"." [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:47, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Hello Annie and Christian, strange rules. Good Night. [[User:Henna|Henna]] ([[User talk:Henna|talk]]) 18:37, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== German Science Fiction Times Nr. 118/19 ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I have managed to get my hands on the Feb/March edition and on p. 39 it states that (a) with the beginning of February 1971 Moewig has changed its day of publication from Wednesday to Friday and (b) that Perry Rhodan Nr. 500 would be published on 26 March 1971.<br />
This means that our theory of the 'missing week' occurring in 1972 is wrong. Instead Moewig must have changed its day of publication ''at least'' twice, i.e from Friday to Wednesday sometime in the late 1960s and the back to Friday in 1971. Actually this is very similar to what Pabel-Moewig did in December 2003, when the day switched from Tuesday (PR 2206 / 2 Dec 2003) to Friday (PR 2207 / 5 dec 2003).<br />
I am still looking for older editions of SFT to pinpoint the first change.<br />
What to do: My suggestion is that we <br />
* change the dates starting Feb 1971<br />
* this places PR 493 / TN 163 on 5 February<br />
* The preceding numbers, i.e. PR492 / TN 162 would be moved from Friday, 5 February to Wednesday, 3 February with corresponding notes.<br />
Do you concur? Anybody else that we should involve before going ahead?<br />
Best, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 05:13, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, that sounds absolutely reasonable. I don't know of anybody else as PV for this period of time (1971-1973). Let's go ahead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:23, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::You must now be swamped with changes... It's done, please do me a favour cross-check the series' notes - just in case I got lost in detail. Many thanks! Best, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 03:34, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thank '''you''' for doing this load of work, John! Will take a look into the notes, but on first glanve it looks well done. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:10, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Image ==<br />
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Hi Christian -<br />
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Could you please take a look at [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Clive Barker Author Photo|this discussion]. There has been a third edit to change the author image and I think we need to reach a consensus rather than continue to churn the image. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:27, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Glukhovsky - Metro — Die Trilogie ==<br />
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Hi Christian, there's no PV for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?747217 this pub] but you have edited it previously. There's a missing length for 'Das Ende der Straße'. Could you sort it please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:52, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I'm not entirely sure if it's a novelette or a novella, but the first is more likely, so I'll change it accordingly and insert a cautionary note. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:01, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for doing that. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 11:06, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Valentine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?25420; I just did a bunch of edits for books from that publisher, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5583283, ...5583285, ...5583289, and ...5583290, which should be approved sometime soon, and I suggest that the publisher should be changed to Fragments West / The Valentine Press like it says in the books (or at least the ones I saw). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: No problem with that. I'll do the change for the publication I have a copy of. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:37, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tinted edges in PR pubs ==<br />
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Hello Christian. I have just verified {{P|872615|this pub}}, and noticed the tinted edges. Have you ever come across others like it ? Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 10:54, 16 February 2023 (EST).<br />
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: Yes, a few have those. Shall I note that for the ones I verify/-ied? Maybe it was done for a certain period of time, I'll take a look. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:06, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: For now it does seem that this may have been a feature of this bunch of publications, #s 13-24 (though #29 may also count: either its edges were bleached by time or tinted with a very light yellow). I only have a few of those and will add more to the publications next week. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:51, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::OK, thanks. I noted it because from my point of view, it is rather exceptional in Fleuve Noir publications (but rather common in early Livre de Poche, for instance). [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:14, 17 February 2023 (EST).<br />
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== Queen of the Country Problem ==<br />
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I need a favor. This was rejected, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5583237, and there is absolutely no way that I'm entering all that info again. Prime Books has been one of the most vexing publishers I've done edits for, and in this case the copy of Goldberg's posthumous collection on Archive.org which I entered 2 years ago, when I didn't know very well what I was doing, was come across again recently by me and the above edit was made. I think I've done all I can do with this book, but the WorldCat verification by you seems to point to this, https://books.google.com/books?id=fkTx3mYODQAC, which looks the same on the back cover but has a different ISBN for God only knows what reason. There's some confusion with one of these ISBN linking up with a P.K. Dick book or something and I don't know what to say about that, but I think Prime just messed up as usual. So can you enter a new record cloning this book, entering the different ISBN, and moving your verification over to that so this mod can un-reject my edit? Thanks in advance. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:08, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I think your submission was rejected because of the change of the ISBN, right? This ISBN ''does'' fit the entry at WorldCat ''and'' it leads you to the Goldberg book at Amazon; whereas the other ISBN is connected to a PKD collection at WorldCat. Is the latter one stated anywhere in the Goldberg book? (But even if so, the other one likely has to be also in there, I think). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:22, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::The scan on Archive.org has the ISBN-13 on its copyright page that's in my rejected edit while its back cover barcode has an ISBN-10, 0-8095-5636-7, and the ISBN-13 below that. Confusion sets in because as can be seen in my edit the scan URL is for a P.K. Dick book. I can only surmise that they issued a new printing with the correct ISBN because the scan on Google Books has a higher number, ISBN-10 978-0-8095-7308-0 on its copyright page and ISBN-13 0-8095-7308-3 on its back cover with the ISBN-13 below that. So I think the edition I entered is the first and WorldCat ISBN is second, so a new record needs creating for the second and ID moved so my edit can be un-rejected. In a weird coincidence, I was looking at the old Eternity Online site at pulpeternity.com for story links I could add to ISFDB and while it was mostly fruitless because they either only gave extracts from stories they published in their print magazine or broke full stories up into parts, some of which are dead making adding the links pointless, right there amid all that mess was a story from 1998 by Goldberg, "One More Vietnam Story", which was reprinted in Queen of the Country as "Another Vietnam Story" and supposedly original even though it was published nearly 10 years earlier. Have I ever mentioned how much I dislike Prime Books? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, I tend toward appreciating that I don't own any of their books (hope so). But for the problem we face: I think it's best to assume there is a later edition with the ISBN documented at WorldCat (at least, it only states the copyright year of 2008), and to set this edition to 'unknown'. What do you think? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:38, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: I agree. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:30, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Okay, done. I think I also have put in the changes & additions you submitted. Before you clone this: may it be worth a thought that the issuing with the other ISBN occurred after the 'right' one? (After all, the PKD collection seems to have been published only in the following year, 2009). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:00, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::This isn't what I asked you to do. My edit shouldn't have been rejected by the mod in the first place, they should have asked on my message board why I changed the ISBN and I would have explained as I did above here, and then you were supposed to clone it and move your WorldCat ID over to that and enter the ISBN as it is on WorldCat and the copy on Google Books. What you did here is add the alternate ISBN to the existing record. I give up. You guys take care of it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:21, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::: It's debatable if your submission should have been rejected: at least it countered the existing OCLC and the Amazon entries. And I did just what we agreed upon above. There really seem to exist at least two editions (or printings), each of them with a different ISBN. One of the remaining questions is: which of them came first? Since there doesn't seem to be an answer right now: maybe it'd be best to set both of them to 'unknown'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:29, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::No, because I asked you above, "So can you enter a new record cloning this book"; you didn't clone it and move over your ID and ISBN, you just added "date unknown" to the existing record that I created a few years ago, it doesn't make sense to clone that because the edition on Google/WorldCat is likely the later one; I see now that you also changed the cover artist and added a dash to her name, which is wrong because there's no dash in her name on the back cover of the Archive.org copy or the Google copy; it should have been made a variant. This book was confusing enough to work on, now everything here is confused and I really don't feel like doing anything else with it so you and the mod and whoever else can clean it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: If your submission would have been approved the ISBN would had to be reinstalled: there was a secondary verification for that specific ISBN; that is just plain ISFDB policy. If there does pop up another publication of a title with a different ISBN we do add a new publication record for it, according to our etiquette. The publication I added a secondary verification for is likely the later one, but that is not entirely sure: Amazon still gives a January 2008 date for it (but it's possible that this is erroneous). Alas, we seem to not have a date for the copy to be found at archive.org. That ain't nice, but seems to reflect our state of knowledge. If you can come up with hard facts about the dates or the chronological order of the publications: that would be appreciated. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:28, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Unintended link ==<br />
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Christian, <br />
Consider disabling the template [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek/Archive1#Photo_of_Kir_Bulychev here], it's linking your archive page to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Author_images here], [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Fair_use_images here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Photographer:Philip_Smith_Images&action=edit&redlink=1 here]. I happened to be looking at Category:Author images and noticed it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:55, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Hi! Thanks for the hint. I think I have worked upon the disconnection. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:14, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Submissions still pending ==<br />
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Hi Stonecreek,<br />
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I have made 2 submissions on January 27: 5560464 and 5560612. I got a welcome message from MagicUnk on February 13, but because my submissions are still pending, I have asked him, how long it could take until it's approved (or rejected). He told me that he is not able to make these approvals due to not enough knowledge about the Perry Rhodan and Atlan series. He told me also that there are already entries, albeit with a different date. It's because there were different editions. In the case of Atlan 154 it's the second editon and in the case of Perry Rhodan 215 it's the fourth edition, which are still missing in ISFDB.<br />
He gave me the advice to contact you. So, here I am. These submissions are important for me, because they contain some of my old works. And I want to use (the complete) bibliography as a reference for a possible new publication.<br />
So, I hope you can help me. If there should be anything wrong with my submission, please tell me.<br />
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[[User:Pinudeycos|Pinudeycos]] ([[User talk:Pinudeycos|talk]]) 07:57, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: If it would be okay that the dates, credits, notes and contents might be adjusted to the existing overall scheme (like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2793526 here] for the 1981 publications of Atlan (2. Aufl.)), I see no problem of approving them: I'll ping MagicUnk. <br />
: Thanks for contributing! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:57, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Thank you very much! [[User:Pinudeycos|Pinudeycos]] ([[User talk:Pinudeycos|talk]]) 11:10, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::My submissions are online now. I really appreciate your quick help! Keep continuing this great work with ISFDB. [[User:Pinudeycos|Pinudeycos]] ([[User talk:Pinudeycos|talk]]) 18:13, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Thanks for the kind words, and if there's anything you think should be added to our little database, please contribute and/or ask for help with adding. Also, please let me know when the republication of your works comes into the hot stage. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:20, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Plan D ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
When adding Bulgarian books from German and/or English sources which do not show Cyrillic letters, please keep in mind that Bulgarian uses the Cyrillic alphabet exclusively. With a few notable exceptions, that includes the author name, the publisher name and the title itself. If you cannot find the information as it is shown on a title page/cover or cannot work in the alphabet, please either leave a note on my page so I can clean up the record after you add it or just leave me a note so I can add the book and I will be happy to assist. Even checking Goodreads would have given you the correct title for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?941740 this book] although a local source is always preferred. I will be happy to assist with any other European languages where you cannot get the correct spelling of titles/authors/publishers as well. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:31, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Unfortunately, Annie is right: it's hard to get the spelling and other subtleties like inflections right when working with languages -- and especially alphabets/scripts -- that you are not familiar with. I have entered a lot of English translations of Japanese "light novels" as well as their Japanese language parent titles (mostly using Amazon JP), but my attempts to create publication records for Japanese pubs have been less than successful. Luckily, we have editors who are familiar with Japanese, Bulgarian, Russian and a number of other languages. Please don't hesitate to ask for help when you come across them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:31, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Okay. I thought that when OCLC uses the Latin alphabet this would ensure that the book was published using that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:47, 19 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: OCLC/Worldcat get their data from member libraries. Different libraries have used different data entry standards over the years, just like we have used different data entry standards. The result is that OCLC's data can be messy, especially for languages which do not use Latin characters. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:08, 19 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boken om Pippi Långstrump ==<br />
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We have the parent collection of three Pippi novellas as 2015 ''Boken om Pippi Långstrump'' T{{t|2937288}} with your title note "There may (quite likely) have been earlier editions". Does this parent COLLECTION represent a 2015 Swedish-language publication that you identified but chose not to add to the database? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:39, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: That's right. I found at Amazon only a 2015 publication but do strongly assume that there was a previous one in Swedish (and I personally would like to enter that first). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:42, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: British Library record BL 002174012 reports 232-page Rabén & Sjögren 1952.<br />
:: I don't find that edition at WorldCat[*]; only these two as earlier than 2015:<br />
:: [https://worldcat.org/title/255600782 OCLC 255600782] as 1969 4th ed? <br />
:: [https://worldcat.org/title/728651122 OCLC 728651122] as 1982, series Från Pippi till Ronja ... which must be [https://libris.kb.se/bib/7235299 SE LIBRIS 7235299].<br />
:: * WorldCat search ti:"Boken om Pippi" ; sort by Title A-Z<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:26, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Would you think that the British Library record is trustworthy enough to date the title to 1952? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 16:26, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I see now that KB.se is the national library of Sweden. I will trust that.<br />
:::: [https://libris.kb.se/hitlist?f=simp&q=%22Boken+om+Pippi+L%c3%a5ngstrump%22&r=&m=10&s=rc&t=&d=libris&p=3 search LIBRIS.kb.se]: shows editions 1 to 4 illustrated by Ingrid Vang Nyman 1952, 1962, 1966, 1969 (232, 232, 240, 240 pages) and "5., omarb. uppl." 1978, 246 pp, "Vang-Nyman". There I stop.<br />
:::: Now I redate the parent COLLECTION as 1952. No SV publications, which I leave to you. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:17, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Series title - Introductions, afterwords and notes for Isaac Asimov’s own work ==<br />
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Hello Christian, as I'll be adding to the series, I'm of the opinion that this title is too long, overly prescriptive and intrusive at pub level. In keeping with other essay series (for instance "Asimov's Essays: F&SF", "Letters: Isaac Asimov"), I propose changing it to "Asimov's Essays: own work". This would also suggest a subsequent series title "Asimov's Essays: other's work". If you're in agreement, could you process [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5646611 this submission] or hold it if not. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:41, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have no problem with this change. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:20, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Can we use proper capitalization for series names please? :) I've fixed this one when I approved it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:01, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Will do :) Thanks for fixing that Annie. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:14, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Inge Holm ==<br />
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Hello Christian!<br />
:Can you look on this submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5636802].It seems that you had made this specific record at that time. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 13:09, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Sorry, Rudolf, can't look into the submission. Can you tell what's the intended change? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:57, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: As I am around and not sure Rudolf is still around: No change, just a note "Inge Holm and Inge Heym are not identical. Inge Holm is Inge Holm and the wife of author Malte Heim. She is younger than Malte Heim, who was born in 1940." [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:21, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I'm still sceptical without a note on the source for this. If you take a look at the Wikipedia entry: it states that Inge Heym was born as Inge Holm, and it seems to be a bit of a coincidence that Inge Heim (as Malte Heim's wife) also would have an alternate name of Inge Holm. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:11, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: On the other hand, it seems possible that such things happen, somehow that also depends on who supplied the information. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Hello Christian!<br />
::::::1. Sorry, but I didn't know you couldn't open the link.<br />
::::::2. In the Wiki entry of Inge Heym is no hint to detect, that she is involved with SF.<br />
::::::3. All ISFDB entries of Inge Holm have the copyright for Inge Holm.<br />
::::::4. FYI the submitter is Ronald Hahn! Maybe he is right with his statement. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 09:53, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Ad 2): Right, there's no hint for her, but Inge Heym's husband [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5661 Stefan Heym] did write some titles of sf interest around the same time when Inge Holm was active in the scene.<br />
::::::: Ad 4): Anyway, I'd trust Ronald M. Hahn anytime: he likely knows most German language people active in the 1970s & 1980s in person, and is as author of dependable reference works trustworthy. <br />
::::::: Thus, I adapted the author entry accordingly: if there's anything to add, please do so. Thanks for the informational update! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:51, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::I look exactly like that and have therefore approved the submission. Thanks for the modification. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 05:07, 30 April 2023 (EDT)</div>
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== Troubleshooting ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?593110 Here] exclusive for you.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:05, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for the hint, Wolfram! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:07, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366800 here]--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:11, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Ah, that one looks okay. Maybe this is one entry that you can learn from. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:13, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Oh, that one looks not okay, not a good example to learn something, but a typical example for your excellent work, please find the typo.<br />
:::: But I don't want to take this to extremes, it's just a hint to first recognize your own mistakes before criticizing other users' mistakes. Good luck---[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 10:39, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Well, I never stated to be perfect: in fact nobody is. Mistakes do happen, the aim should be to learn from them.<br />
::::: On typos: one shouldn't think that they will never happen again. They have a tendency to creep in. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:03, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::Still wrong, please look accurate.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:55, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Feel free to correct typos. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:10, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Iluustrations in Perry Rhodan #547, 4th printing ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I have just received the info that apparently the fourth printing of PR #547 had a fan illustraion in addition to Bruck's work, references are [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:JL#unbekannte_Zeichner_von_Innenillustrationen here]. Illustration #1 on p. 27 would not be by Bruck, but the following two would the same two as in the first printing. As I don't own printing #4, perhaps you could check and make the resp. edits? Thanks, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 06:51, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks very much, John! I really did not take the signature into account: the illustration is IMHO very near to Bruck's style, and I thought it was a illustration by him that found no place with the initial publication, which I do think has happened before with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?559092 PR 308], p. 63. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:58, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Fischer Sternaux ==<br />
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Hello Christian, by adding two collections I create two entries for an artist:<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?318094 Peter Fischer Sternaux]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?307185 Peter Fischer-Sterneaux]<br />
I'm not sure, but I think both are wrong or typos. The correct name should be '''Peter Fischer-Sternaux'''. I found only three hints: [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bb-Reihe wiki bb-Reihe], [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompass-B%C3%BCcherei wiki Kompass-Bücherei] and [http://www.stiftung-plakat-ost.de/pers.htm East German poster artists]. Can you help me to add the hyphen to Peter Fischer Sternaux? Sterneaux will then be a variant of Sternaux. Thank you very much [[User:Henna|Henna]] 06:09, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure! I added the hyphen. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:58, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Atlan 216 -> 217? ==<br />
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Hi Christan, can you check {{p|804985|Atlan 216}}? It looks like the number needs to change to 217, otherwise there will be two pub records with 216. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 02:19, 29 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! I'll take care of my error. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:31, 29 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan 18 (2.Aufl.) Note ==<br />
Hi Christian, now the note has been erased completly. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4831473] I'm wondering about. Are you prepearing a new note? Can you please check this again? --[[User:Norman|Norman]] 03:33, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, Norman. I just removed a now surplus note about the cover art being the same as with the novella's first edition (and the cover design, I guess) which can be seen now with your upload.<br />
: I agree that it'd be nice, though, to have ''some'' notes, but you seem to be more competent than me regarding statements made in the issue, having the issue at hand. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:40, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|789903|Exodus, #40}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I added the missing interior art, please take a look. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:03, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, yes! Many thanks for that! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:42, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Image:GRTMRCNSHR2002.jpg ==<br />
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I have restored [[:Image:GRTMRCNSHR2002.jpg]]. It is used in a publication and "non-genre publication" is not a valid deletion reason for a book cover. By rule, only non-genre magazine covers are prohibited. Non-genre book covers are allowed and we have plenty of them. This disconnect in the rules has been discussed a number of times with no resolution. It's been awhile since the last discussion so it may be worth starting another rules and standards discussion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:38, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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Okay, but this was what was told to me when I was a beginner here. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|789904|Exodus, #41}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have changed a few things in this magazine. Please take a look and check the changes. I think now only the collage on page 54 is missing. Thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 16:36, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Looks considerably better now! Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:52, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::No, I made some mistakes, now we have three duplicates. I will take care of it. What you think about p. 54? Sorry for the mess [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:47, 4 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==Changes by unknown==<br />
(moved to the end of my talk page) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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Hi Christian. I'm wondering about some changes which has be done by unknowe between my submitting and releasing by a moderator (which takes at the moment 1-3days). Example: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4848514]. I think a moderator is allthough confused about this circumstances. I've today cancelled myself some of my submitted tasks which should have runed into the void. As you know it's hard to wait with the procedure i has to work actually. It takes some days until a new magazine has been registrated in a propper way. But it is much more confusing if a third party doing some well-intentioned actions in the meantime. What is going on there? Is there perhaps a better way for me? I see you are working daily a you check my work, which is really perfect for me. Would it be perhaps a better way to do in the future some actions in a coordinated way together? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:06, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Well, yes! Maybe I should wait for a time with actions: the reason this happens is that I tend to deal with things the moment I run across them. Working in some areas at the same time does lead into the danger to forget about things. But if you would like to work in an area for some time on your own, we surely can bundle our actions in a more coordinated way. So, what are your plans for the nearest future (for example the coming week?) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::Thank you for the explanation. At the moment, the long waiting time between the change request and its approval is my problem, especially if the facts have changed in between. In addition, there is a certain impatience on my part. Now I would like to complete volumes #51 to #60 in both the 2nd and 5th edition. Later also the issues 21 to 60 of the 3rd edition. The magazines are of course all in my possession. It would be of great and welcome help to me, for example, if you could briefly review my changes and perhaps if possible approve them once a day. Since you and me always have to carry out several steps into each other for a magazine and I don't want to lose the overview, I would concentrate 2-3 booklets a day. Would such a procedure be conceivable for you? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 03:19, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, I'll wait for your doings and perhaps review and add/change a few things later, if that's okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:33, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::It would be perfect! I'm always interested to learn how such few things which could be very special are handled here. But first i've to wait for the still pending edits. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:17, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::: It seems Dirk (P. Broer) handled all or a part of the necessary doings overnight. Please take a look which of them still need to be dealt with. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:54, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==PR 53 5.Auflage Essay==<br />
I've just submitted this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4852526]. I didn't found the essay at 3|3.1 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1639876 Das Perry Rhodan-Lexikon] in this magazine. I found 3 Letters instead. But i found the essay in volume #51 instead. But some minutes before i submitted for #51 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4852524 this]. Can you please check and do the fixing, or please tell me how to proceed? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:04, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Perhaps the essay in #51 (by W. Voltz!) is not identical with the 'Werkstattbericht' by (Horst Hoffmann and Peter Terrid). I will check this! But anyway in #53 this has to be modified or deleted [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:14, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Result of check: the Essay in #1154, #920(2nd) and #51(5th) are identical! And the authors are Horst Hoffmann and Peter Terrid. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:26, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: Many thanks for the corrections! It seemed just logical to assume that the essay on the 'Lexikon' would also appear in this issue (#53). I updated the title per merging and also removed it from issue #53 (5. Auflage). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:19, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::Never mind. I have to thank you for the help that accelerated this. Otherwise it would have taken days again. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 07:01, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::::It might even be faster to import titles that already exist in the database - for example illustrations. It's possible to select contents on importing, or to import specified titles (this is done by entering the title no. in the lower half of the import screen). Basically, if there's only one title to import, I use the latter option, and if there is more than one title to import from one other publication I use the first option: it just requires to remove titles from a publication if there are some imported that don't belong to it (for example in PR #52, 5. Aufl., there were only two of the original four interior pieces of art reproduced). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:10, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::::Many thanks again. This is very interesting. I'll try this next. I didn't know this function before. :-) [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:58, 10 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==Raumschiff Promet and its publication dates==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'll be changing the publication date of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?812248 #54]. The publication date of Astro Science Fiction #53 is stated as 14 November 1973 in #49. Cheers, John. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 15:28, 13 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, many thanks for the info! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:03, 13 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 9 ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23789 this] is Mike Little. Credired on p.165 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204909 this] publication. Almost certainly the same artists responsible for the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23793 this] as well. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:21, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Great find! Many thanks for the detective work, and have a merry Christmas! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:24, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== John Taylor ==<br />
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We have been sorting out the various John Taylors and need a little help. Can you see [[User_talk:Username#John_Taylor|this discussion]] and let us know if {{P|4421|Beyond This Horizon}} provides any biographical information about the John Taylor that has a story (p116) and essay (p44) in it? We are trying to determine if they are the same person and whether they are from the UK physicist or the US author. [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/s313.htm#A4878 Contento] has both by the author. But the physicist supposedly did some science fiction plays and the essay title would align with a physicist. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:15, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry, there's no biographical information, but my best guess is that it's the British physicist: seems quite obvious for the essay, and the convention was something like a British showcase (with a bit of Continental Europe thrown in). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:53, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I added title notes with that information. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:42, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Driftglas in German ==<br />
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{{p|371550|Driftglass}} cover by Barclaw Shaw [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 02:57, 7 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! (but the variant / parent is still missing). Christian<br />
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== Philip K Dick ==<br />
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Added missing series to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55525 this] as <br />
"Writers of the 21st Century Series" (as printed on front) to conform with the rest of the volumes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 02:00, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! I missed out on that one upon verifying. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:55, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hello, Rtrace.<br />
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I inserted the translation to the Portuguese (#819033) but in the summary of the author (#111330) appear like a new novel, not a translation. How to fix it?<br />
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How is the right way to put translations? Its a New Novel or Add Publication to This Title or Variant?<br />
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--[[User:Paulotecario|Paulotecario]] 09:48, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Hello, and welcome! You seem to have misdirected your question (since I'm not Rtrace). <br />
:But to answer: The right way to add translations usually is to enter a publication of the translation (correct title per title page of the publication, author name per title page of the publication, fitting language, translator, and other useful data), and than (after processing), variant to the canonical title. (The exception is if a translation under the exact same title already exists, than one can use the Add Publication or Clone Publication links). <br />
:For that reason the novel by N. K. Jemisin appears to be unconnected to its parent: it still needs to be varianted (the feature to use is the 'Make This Title a Variant' link). Since the entry does need some fixing (capitalization of title, price denomination, additional notes), I'll do the fixing and varianting for you. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:08, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The format ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Careful with formats outside of Germany: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819037 this] is [https://www.amazon.com.br/dp/8580579430 Dimensões : 23 x 15.6 x 1.8 cm] and a 23 cm book cannot be a pb under ANY definition. :) I fixed it. Also - when you find issues as severe as the ones with this book, please try to leave notes around - in this case both the editor who added and the moderator should have been reminded of what is wrong here. Fixing it is all great but unless someone tells the editor and the moderator, we will end up with more of those (I just caught 5 more of them and cleaned them up on approval). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:02, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry about the format: that one slipped through my radar surveillance. I had seen that you reminded the moderator about issues, and the editor was informed in the item just above this one (bare that false format I didn't pay attention to). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:44, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Well, a day later when they came asking :) It makes it easier to do it when the change is done - that way we do not miss these. :) I think we are all good now. Hope you are doing well! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:08, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Yes, I cope (as you'll likely also do): waiting for things to normalize the news came in that vaccination over here in Europe for the majority of people will take longer than expected, due to organizational & production complications, but otherwise health is still good in the family: no one got seriously ill so far. So it will take some more time of clenching one's teeth and staying calm. Hope you're doing as good as circumstances allow (or better). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:18, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: That's good to hear. :) Pretty much -- living in one of the biggest counties in this country (biggest in the state) and not being old enough means that I am stuck home for the foreseeable future - they will take awhile to get to me for the vaccines. It all shall pass - hopefully... Oh well - stay safe - people tend to get even more careless than usual if they believe the end is close and that can cause problems even for the ones who are careful :( At least I can work from home... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: I hope you stay healthy in all the time waiting: that's the important thing, I'd think! Over here the old-aged are the first in line when it comes to the cure, then the system-sustaining persons, and pretty much later we normalized ones are thought of. Thought it would be sometime in Spring when it comes to our group, but it seems it will get hotter than that ... - just hoping the barbers will open before that, else there'll be much sweating (and much blindsight). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:03, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Galery of Lem's star diaries illustrations ==<br />
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Hello Christian, [https://solaris.lem.pl/galeria/rysunki-lema here] you can see the most illustration from the Star Diaries. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 06:12, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! That does indeed help! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:18, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Overcorrecting again ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Please stop "correcting" things without even looking at the covers and title pages. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?61987 This series] is not called "Mack 'n' Me" but "Mack 'n' Me 'n' Odyssey". Because of that we cannot strip "Mack 'n' Me" from the titles unless you want to do an internal set of series but the numbering may go wrong in the future so leaving them as they are is the cleanest way. I just spent some time fixing these again. I will appreciate if in the future instead of just going and removing anything that has ":" in the title, you either do some research OR ask the editor who actually worked on these (or both) and if I do not need to spend time correcting corrections. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:47, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: PS: And the fact that you again changed someone's work without bothering to consult and/or at least notify the person is as unacceptable as it always had been. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:49, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Just a reminder that ''all'' record types -- pubs, titles, series, publication series, authors, awards, etc -- support Edit History as of 2021-01-14. When planning changes to a record, you can now review record history to see who else has worked on it.<br />
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:: Due to the way submissions work, sometimes you need to check other submission types to see full history. In this case, the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/series_history.cgi?61987 Edit History page] associated with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?61987 this series] doesn't tell you who created it. However, you can use Edit History pages associated with the titles in the series -- like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?2822131 this page] -- to see who added the series information.<br />
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:: Hopefully, this will become one of our standard operating procedures as editors become used to this functionality and help lower everybody's stress level :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:59, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Sorry, but I took the longe name as some kind of pub. series (yes, then it should have been put into that field - it didn't feel quite correct also). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:05, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Then come and discuss before changing. My edits are all over this series and all its books, I've spent enough time with it to have an idea what is what (plus this is a known pattern with some series lately...). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:25, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|1650396|Etemenanki oder Die Fundamente von Himmel und Erde}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, is this the same text like in {{T|2682309|Etemenanki}}? Here is the first paragraph [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/5/51/Simon_etemenanki.jpg of Etemenanki]. Thanks for looking it up [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:21, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sure! I'll variant the title(s). Thanks, I just overlooked this. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:08, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Secondhand Charm ==<br />
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What was with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4895041 this change]? Did you even look at the publication before making this change? I don't understand why you would change the credit on the verified pub without asking the verifier, but had you looked at the pub notes, it would have been clear that there are two separate artists involved. I restored the proper credit. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:38, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry for that! ... and I even don't know what it was that has driven me to that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:48, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Image:PRRRHDNMZT1985.jpg ==<br />
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[[:Image:PRRRHDNMZT1985.jpg]] was deleted by you, but it is still used in {{P|814576|this pub}}. Please check whether you forget to remove the image link or if it was used in multiple pubs and it is correct/incorrect for this one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Alan PETER Ryan ==<br />
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Alan Ryan started using his full name, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?144345], when he returned to writing in 2010. "Sexual Exploration Is a Crime" was published under his full name in 2019's Shivers VIII just like it was in Ryan's 2012 collection The Back of Beyond. It was never published as by Alan Ryan. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:35, 14 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:I'm inclined to believe you. However, the thing is that the title appears with the short name in a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?727940 primary verified publication]. So you have to ask the primary verifier first if this is an overlooked mistake, before we could accept this change. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:17, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Follow-up from the Moderator Noticeboard discussion ==<br />
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To follow up on the [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Abusive_Regularization|last Moderator Noticeboard discussion]]:<br />
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* As per the 2020 agreement, please limit your moderatorial activities to self-moderation until I change the software to support an explicit "self-moderation only" flag for editors<br />
* Please do not change the data in recently added/edited records without discussing it with the moderator who approved the submission. Doing so effectively circumvents the agreement and leaves both the approving moderator and the submitting user out of the loop.<br />
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These issues have been occurring for a long time now. Please make sure that they do not re-occur or else I will have to take administrative action. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:58, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== La trama celeste ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you share your sources for your statements of "First printing" and "Apparent first Edition" which you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?580480 here] today? None of the linked sources (OCLC and LTF) claim any of that (the Trantor is a later reprint and was used to verify the contents), your edit had no moderator notes and no notes identifying where these statements are coming from. Did you miss to add your sources?<br />
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On a separate note (less important but still valid) - reordering the statements in a publication notes field to fit your idea of what goes where in the notes (you moved the sources statement from the top to the bottom) is disrespectful to other editors - we all have our own styles of writing notes and we do not enforce style in this field. If you want ISFDB to start enforcing style, please go to R&S and find support. In the meantime, please respect your fellow editors (unless you are verifying of course - if you are PVing and there are no other PVs, you can change the note anyway you want). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:06, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, but the missing information is vital for out db and follows for the edition from Wikpedia. <br />
:The printing is necessary to add for a db that goes to index different ones. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:39, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Can you please point to a source that identifies this as a definitive first printing? Because what you are describing is an assumed first printing - unless it is confirmed somewhere, there is a possibility for an earlier printing run in the same year that is different. Statements of printing which lack the qualification “assumed” should have a source. Your opinion that this must be a first printing is just your opinion and not a fact unless it is supported by a source (primary or secondary). Otherwise we become the source of that specific information - and being a source of unverified information is not what this DB is supposed to be. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:51, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::I think it's quite clear that it's a first edition, but for the faint possibilty that there was a previous edition within the same year, I'll update the note.<br />
:::On the printing rank: unless you know that there's more than one printing of this edition within the same year it ''should'' be noted that our entry is for the first one. And if there are more printings in 1948 we should clarify it for the sake of an editor supplying a higher one. It's quite unlike you to make things more difficult for additional publications and to be content with stub notes. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:31, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::: Re:<br />
::::* unless you know that there's more than one printing of this edition within the same year it ''should'' be noted that our entry is for the first one<br />
:::: it's the other way around. Like other statements that we make in Notes, we add an unqualified "First printing" statement if -- and '''only if''' -- we have a source indicating that the publication is the first printing of the given edition. That source can be either the publication itself or a secondary source. Without a source, we can, at most, enter "Assumed first printing" or words to that effect. This is explained in the "Printings" section of [[Template:PublicationFields:PubNote]], e.g.:<br />
::::* If there is no printing information beyond the edition date, and no specific "first printing" statement, it is likely that this is a first printing, and you can put "Appears to be first printing of 1974 Puffin edition." <br />
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:::: Checking the database, I see that you have created 9263 EditPub submissions with the words "First printing" in Notes. We will now have to review and, if necessary, correct all of them. I will be creating a cleanup script which will identify all affected publication records, both PV'd and unverified. The number of affected publications will be lower than 9263, but the cleanup process will still be very time consuming.<br />
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:::: This is a major issue. Given this problem with understanding core data entry rules and the previously discussed repeated issues with adhering to the terms of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Follow-up_from_the_Moderator_Noticeboard_discussion self-moderation agreement], I am suspending your moderator flag until this issue has been sorted out and software support for "self-moderation only" editors has been added. We will review and discuss where we stand once these issues have been addressed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:31, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::::: Sorry to disagree: when we know an entry for any possible printing (including the first) of a given edition would look the same as the one we have in the database, it ''is'' meaningful to denominate 'ours' as the first: this way we have the first printing in the db, and any further printing of that year will be listed after it, we have it clear that a possible further printing of that year will have to be added, '''and''' we have the general information visible that we go as deep as the level of printing in ISFDB. And if you refer to the possibility that the cover image might differ for a different printing: well, without a primary verifier or a dependable source for it, we don't even know if the image we display does represent the edition (or the specific printing). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:46, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::: This specific book is sourced from OCLC and LTF. You do not invent data that is not on the record unless you can explain it. Stating First Printing with no qualifiers means that we are stating that this specific book in these sources is the first printing definitely (if we know that but we cannot verify that the sources point to our book, the IDs should not be added to it (or if added, the note should explain that they do not state first printing) and the note on the sources should explain that they are possibly for a different version of the book ). There is nothing in any source to support such unqualified claim. So “Assumed First Printing” is the best that can be used. Anything else is a fabrication and essentially creating information that then can be used by someone else and considered definitive. If we fabricate information, we cannot be trusted as a dB. If you cannot understand that, I am not sure how exactly to explain it better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:19, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Those sources only would possibly index a first printing if it's stated in a publication (though not necessarily so). We do have a different policy: we state a publication as ''apparent first printing''. So it'd be okay to state a first printing until we know if it's an apparent or a stated one (most likely supplied by a PV). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:34, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::: Can you please point to me where this policy is specified? Because Ahasuerus already posted above our rules and they contradict it. And any other rule I had seen had been clear: each fact added should have a source - the book preferably, a secondary source if not possible. We do not invent data. If we have a documentation mismatch that actually allows us to invent data we should fix it so we do not confuse our editors. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:56, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::: I'm pretty sure you propagated it in one of the many arguments with Wolfram, I just haven't found it by now. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:24, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::: I had said that it is ok to add "First Printing" with no qualifications and no support of any source (other books or online sources) or the book? Very unlikely but sure, find it, I will be interested to see that and we can see what exactly was said there and in what context. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:21, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::::: If my memory is correct, you stated that it'd be okay to state 'Apparent first printing.' (and we'd accordingly have to wait what is there in a yet unverified publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:34, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::: You realize the difference between “Apparent/Assumed First Printing” and a non qualified “First Printing”, right? Had you used the first here, we do not have a problem. You used the latter and then went on explaining how that is ok. A person browsing the site and seeing the statement with no qualifiers won’t think “oh, this says First printing but does not say stated so this may not be one”, they will think “first printing means first printing”. That is the crux of the problem here. Reread again everything I said so far and the excerpt from the rules above - adding a statement is not the issue, adding an unqualified one is. And then when you updated the note you changed the edition line leaving the unqualified printing one in place. (I cleaned it up when I fixed the sources issue). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:04, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::::::: Well, okay! I see the benefit of stating the more cautious version for people not aware of the difference between PVed and non-PVed pub.s (or PVed but not thoroughly reviewed). I guess that's a case of deep-in-blindness. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:15, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::::: Most people won't realize what the PV table means when the find the page online (we had had enough new editors that did not and they were here to edit). And implying that it is ok to just add whatever to non-PVd publications is a bit offensive to all the editors who had done a lot of work through the years piecing things together from secondary sources and being very careful to chase any sources (with different levels of sloppiness sometimes but we are all human) - I am aware that this is not you meant but I hope you understand what I am saying here. That's why listing sources and qualifications are important (and listing what from the sources does not match our record and why when we have sources disagreeing) - if we made a mistake because a source was mistaken, it is not so good but we had a source and we did not create a piece of information that is untrue; if we just added a statement which was mistaken/misleading, we become the source now - and before long all other sites will use our data even from unPVd pubs and uprooting these errors later is hard (just look at the Larry Correia birthday problem - we did not originate it but someone did). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:53, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Authors difference in publications and titles ==<br />
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I have two of your submissions on hold because they run contrary to the basic rules of data entry on the site ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931312 this one] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931313 this one]) - we do NOT change the title authors in such cases, we leave the title author as uncredited and then variant to a parent with the known authors. Our rules are very clear about that - the exact text from the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Author help page is]:<br />
"If there is a publicly available source which identifies the uncredited title's author, it will be later turned into a variant title using the author's canonical name." (please note that this is part of the TITLE author field and there is no exception for EDITOR records).<br />
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However, before I rejected them outright, I checked the German magazines (which had been your domain for years) and this had been going for a very long time so I went digging to see if there is a reason for that. Unless I missed it, there had not been an attempt to change the rules to make an exception for the German language magazines (I already spent my Sunday chasing this so I stopped somewhere ~2013). The only time this was even remotely mentioned is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_18#Publication_Authors_That_Are_Not_the_Title_Author this Cleanup report] which had been implemented in the usual way (leave the big sets for the end so a plan can be made for them; it is regrettable that the report was never completely implemented but that does not constitute a change of rules - these records are still against the rules). <br />
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Is there a policy in some obscure place that I missed (and that needs to be added to the rules) or do we need to mount yet another cleanup effort to bring all of these records to policy? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:17, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Well, that's the way they were entered at the beginning of entering the series (and it wasn't me who began that), and I just followed the example that was already there. I don't see any major problem with the way it is for those, since 'uncredited' poses no pseudonym. But we could also work through the lot, if you're there to do a lot of unmerging, merging and/or varianting. And if you prefer it: sure, we can install a cleanup report for it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:31, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: I read this several times now. Are you really accusing me of starting these author mismatches? You know perfectly well that when I began with the Perry Rhodan series, I used a secondary source (Perrypedia) and tried to be as complete as possible. Any use of uncredited and starting the discrepancy between publication and title author is yours! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:03, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: We already have a cleanup report for author mismatches, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 ''Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author'']. When it was [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_18#Publication_Authors_That_Are_Not_the_Title_Author|modified in 2015 to add EDITOR/MAGAZINE and EDITOR/FANZINE mismatches]], I mentioned that it was coded to "ignore[] German magazines because we have about 1,400 Perry Rhodan mismatches on file. Once the other 126 mismatches have been resolved, we can revisit the PR issue."<br />
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:: Unfortunately, the issue was never revisited, so now we have 5,375 mismatches, including 1,500 non-Perry Rhodan mismatches. Some are PR-related, including 434 Atlans, while others are not. Better late than never... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:14, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: It won’t be that hard I suspect - two step process (create parent with the authors that are there now and then clean the authors of the current record (and fix both dates while at it) will clear a whole year of uncredited issues. The only unmerges needed will be when there are pubs credited differently. <br />
:::: Yes, mostly, but there are a few elaborate title notes that shouldn't be lost (or should be transposed). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:26, 8 March 2021 (EST) <br />
::::: So a third edit. :) Still Not so bad. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:29, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: As for why we must finish the cleanup - we are a DB. Differences in data structures is a problem when one writes queries to find something - inconsistencies like that should have a very good reason. Being German and uncredited is not one of those unless we change the rules officially. :)<br />
::: Can I request an update of the report or should I do it over in CS? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:21, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: And is there a report for the case above: i. e. the 'First printing' affair? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:30, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Not yet - unlike the one here, that one is not preexisting... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:40, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
(unindent) OK - I approved both merges so their pubs are brought into where they belong and then fixed both of these title records to follow the way we handle uncredited publications with known authors from elsewhere. Just a gentle reminder - when you are making the yearly series, the date of it should be the year itself (so 1991-00-00) and not the date of the first issue. <br />
: PS: As you are the PV on a lot of them, we know who to ask but it will be extremely useful to add some notes on the series level ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?43528 here] and all the others) where the editors names are coming from. Or on the individual years although adding them up on the series level may be cleaner and clearer. Or even on the parent [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28689 series]. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:40, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dmitry Glukhovsky's "Text" ==<br />
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A quick FYI re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2652577 this title]. Back in 2019 you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4484074 added the following note]: "Described as a crime / techno-thriller; it may be nongenre." As per the plot summary on Wikipedia, this is a non-genre thriller. I have updated the German VT and the Russian parent title. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:28, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: I can confirm it is non-genre. If I can remember where my book is (because I do not see it where it is supposed to be), I will verify a Russian version and clean the note after that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:56, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks, Ahasuerus! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:58, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== GOMINE — Walzenraumer der Hijthi (scheme) ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Did you mean to make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2841677 this] a short story or did you forget to switch to Interior art? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:32, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: It's an artwork, which I just realized upon submitting. I'll correct it with adding the cover image. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:53, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:11, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== These variants ==<br />
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I rejected a few - there is no point changing the author in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4932961 such cases]. 30 of the 33 magazines need to stay under the title as is. 3 need to be split and varianted... Changing the author here will result in a lot more work. I think I approved a few earlier so I will clean the created mess based on that... but please look at the list of magazines before changing the authors. Thanks! 00:10, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Those issues have to be reviewed (and the credit chenged) anyway. But my idea was to first complete the (1. Auflage), and then come back to it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:19, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: But in the process you are moving issues from "Pub and title matches" to "they do not match" so when the report gets deployed, someone will try to fix them again and we will do the same work multiple times. If you are going to be reviewing the publications anyway, let's start with them. Fix the magazines themselves inside of a year, then fix the titles correctly. Otherwise we will be chasing these until next Christmas :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:34, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Uhmmm, yes, your're probably right. I just have to dig these copies out of their vault. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
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== Wstęp (Dzienniki gwiazdowe) ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935029 this one]. Either we claim we do not know who to credit to (so unknown) (because we really have no idea it is Lem's or not) or it is Lem's... We cannot have it both ways (and even if it was rare, other people did write introductions for his books in Polish:) ) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:43, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:What is unknown, I think, is if it's credited to Lem or his alter ego Professor Tarantoga. Usually the introduction should be the same as the first one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?820586 here], since there the eighth and the eighteenth journey (and the ominous circumstances of their coming-to-be & inclusion) are talked about; it should also be in-universe fiction. The only somewhat irregular thing is the discussion of a 'LEM' as author of the 'Star Diaries' since the Lunar Excursion Mobile would have a far too small electronic brain for such a task - it seems somewhat pre-timed for 1966, but the 1971 should be at least a variant of the 1966 piece. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:51, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: And your source for this please? Unless you have something better than guesses here, this stays unconnected. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:04, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: According to [https://fantlab.ru/work3309 Fantlab], there were 4 introductions to the "Ijon Tichy" collections published between 1954 and 1976. All of them were in-universe essays as by "Professor Tarantoga" (one of the characters in the series), but the text differed from edition to edition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:41, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Beat me to it - I was planning to go digging on Russian and Polish sites today to see if I can find something. :) Feel free to makre the changes and add sources on the pub level and cleanup the notes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:51, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Thank you for the research. Will do the updates. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:12, 13 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Uralt, mein Feind ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4934516 this one]: Rudam PVd it 4 years before you did. Are you absolutely sure that his book does not have the first edition stated? When he [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3337533 added it], his note read "noted stated"? I propose to wait for him to verify before we remove the stated qualifier... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:11, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, I'm sure: checked it two times! Rudolf has quite often the "noted stated" misprinting (when it should read "not stated"). It's ''very'' unusual for this publisher to not state a first German edition (and at first I fell for this trap), but it's in fact what is there. As a hint see the difference between the DNB and/or OCLC entries for this one and the one for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?676175 Vazkor] for example (fifth line of the DNB entry). I guess the (missing) information was copied from another publication in the sub-series 'Science Fiction Classics', in which ''usually'' real classics are published (and ones that were published before in German). For the Dickson the collection's original English publication was just five years before and the single stories weren't in every case so much older. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:32, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: You checked Rudam’s book two times? I have no concerns with your book at all (although why a day earlier you thought it says that is a bit of a mystery but mistakes happen) - my concern is not what the book you are holding says. My concern is the other PV’s copy. Would you have accepted this edit if it was not your book and you were moderating and a second editor was changing major data points in the notes (which they confirmed matching the previous day) or would you have tried to ensure first that they are holding the same edition and we do not need a clone instead? Apparently Ron read the initial status of this note as saying that the value is stated as well (that’s why he approved your changes the previous day). You are probably right that you have the same book but I’d still try to discuss that with the other PV first. :) If he is not around for awhile, then we can change that with a note explaining what the other PV had stated before (“The first PV had marked the edition as “noted stated”. It is assumed, based on the usual practices of the German publishers, that this is a misprint for “not stated” and there is only one version of this book” for example or words to that effect). That way it is clear what happened here and in case we read the weirdly phrased statement wrong, we have the paper trail for the change. What do you think? <br />
:: There are 9 books with this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=Noted+stated+ note]. I will ping him to clarify what he meant and we can easily sort them out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:50, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Well, no, of course I didn't check Rudolf's book, just checked my copy, but mine does seem to be printed the same way as the ones catalogued at DNB and OCLC. Sure we can add the note accordingly. The examples are mostly for Goldmann & Bastei Lübbe publications in the mid-Seventies, and in these times both publishers didn't state first German editions. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: And this should also go in the note, as it is a justification of why you read the statement the way you do. :) So let’s do that in order - leave a message to him, if he does not respond in a few days (he seems to be away just now), send another update with the note properly added. Thoughts? Meanwhile I will work with him to sort out the 9 publications with this note. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:25, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Spektrum der Wissenschaft, #3.21 cover ==<br />
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Where is the title and date coming from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937197 here]? I do not see a note anywhere in the publication, cover record and there are no moderator notes? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:43, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's from the original appearance of the piece as interior art. Will add the according note to the parent title (and correct the title type). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. Add this in the moderator note next time. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:20, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Reinhold Kammler ==<br />
<br />
Could you please clarify what the proposed note -- "Was 1981 at home in Vienna, Austria" -- in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937820 this submission] means? Does it mean that he lived in Vienna, Austria as of 1981? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:06, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes. Would it be better to phrase it as "Was 1981 living in Vienna, Austria"? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:08, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for clarifying! I have changed it to "Known to have lived in Vienna, Austria as of 1981." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:20, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #147: Amoklauf der Maschinen ==<br />
<br />
When you have a chance: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?654734 this one] remained the only mismatched one in one of the years you cleared. I am not sure if it needs an update or to be split out so leaving that to you. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:28, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do the update. Thanks for the hint! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:06, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Wünsch dir was! ==<br />
<br />
Hello again :)<br />
<br />
Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2837007 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2363651 this]? If they are the same, they need a merge. If not, we need to disambiguate or at least add notes. As you have both magazines, you are in the best place to figure out what we need to do :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:49, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Ah, yes! The 2018 one was published quite a while back, so that I didn't realize that the title was used again (they might be developed into a series: I'll see if there are future instalments. For now, I'll disambiguate the two: thanks for finding them! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:06, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Agency ==<br />
<br />
Added the second ASIN in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?800153 this one] and cleaned the note (the note was there because the ASIN was not working on amazon.de (misspelled a bit in the note...) and the ISBN was not leading anywhere on the German Amazon when I added it). When there are different ASINs across the Amazons for the same edition, we list all the ones we source from and add a note which belongs to which Amazon. Thankfully it does not happen too often outside of certain US/UK paired publishers (but when it happens, it can be annoying). So just heads up! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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:Thanks, Annie! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:10, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Zweitausendvierundachtzig: Orwells Albtraum ==<br />
<br />
Hello again, <br />
<br />
Both OCLC and DNB show [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828410 this one] as part of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?2152 AndroSF]. Not sure if you left it out intentionally or not but just heads up. If it was intentional, is there something that makes it different from the rest of the series (I add books from this series occasionally so if there are some specifics, I'd love to know them). :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:06, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll upload the image, add more contents and the series: I forgot to add the series, but I usually review my recent edits to find typos, mistakes and omissions like this one; but thanks for keeping an open eye: there may still some faults slipping through. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:43, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I would have just put on my monitor list to see if there will be an update later but as it was a series I work on now and then, I wanted to make sure it was not intentional and I do not need to look out for something in the books that have the series. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #799: Abschied von Terra ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?380654 This one] needs either to be split out or have its editors fixed. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:03, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, thanks for finding this one. Submission under way. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:04, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Old sites on author pages ==<br />
<br />
Instead of removing them completely, see if archive.org will give you a snapshot we can use. Like I just did [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?265255 here]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:55, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Franziska Wolff ==<br />
<br />
When you have a chance, add a note either [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?323974 here] or in the parent where the pseudonym is disclosed. I take you at your word that it is in a book so I approved but let's add the note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Sources needed ==<br />
<br />
Can you share a source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4942497 this change] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4942402 this change]. Unless we have a source telling us that an English author does not get shelved under their last name, we always assume it is the last name only. Spanish and Portuguese are different but English is very straightforward in this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:22, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:You're right, of course. For a reason unknown I thought that the rules were different for 'classic' authors. I'll cancel and resubmit. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:44, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: We use this name for the Author Directory and for sorting in searches if you chose to order by that. So having the value as someone expects it (which for English speakers will be last name) is what makes sense. So for Romilly, a quick search finds [https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/romilly-hugh-hastings-4502 this] and if a Dictionary of Biography has him under Romilly, that's where we want him :) Galactic Central has Estay under E ([http://www.philsp.com/homeville/gfi/s349.htm#A9915 here] but as you know the link is not stable so we cannot link it directly) - which is not as definitive as a dictionary but I would follow their lead unless I have another source somewhere. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:53, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Atlan, #200: Herrscher im Mikrokosmos ==<br />
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"Juli 1982" and 1982-06-15 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?829057 here] :) I suspect a copy/paste mistake from the previous entry in the note but as these are hard to spot, heads up so you can sort it out when you add the cover. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:58, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Will do. Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:00, 24 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Gate of Ivrel ==<br />
<br />
{{P|514656|Gate of Ivrel}} has the same cover art as {{P|279676|Orbit UK PB}} edition [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 19:50, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Oh, yes! Many thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 26 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible Typos ==<br />
<br />
Here are some possible database typos:<br />
* millenial - {{T|127268|Millenial Eve(s) (drama review)}} in {{P|59018|Interzone, #132 June 1998}}<br />
* phenomenom - {{T|1612366|English-Language SF as a Socio-Cultural Phenomenom}} in {{P|211705|Science Fiction Studies, Second Series}}<br />
* relevations - {{T|1166830|Deep Space, Deeper Relevations}} in {{P|59009|Interzone, #157 July 2000}}<br />
If you could please check and correct or add title notes, it would be appreciated. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:10, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Will do my best, though the SF-Studies book will need some searching. Thanks for the hints, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:20, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Drachengestirn ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Can you find [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500470 this book] and come join us [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Thomas_F._Monteleone.27s_Dragonstar here] while we are trying what to do with these books. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:09, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks, I have answered there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:56, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: You have an answer - sounds like you need to move this translation? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:17, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver testing ==<br />
<br />
As I said on [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Bottleneck_at_moderation_level]], last week I changed the software to support "self-approval" -- see [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-approval_support]]. It was a fairly significant change and you are now the first editor to test it on the live server. Self-approvers should be able to approve and reject their own submissions. Please give it a try and let me know if you run into any issues.<br />
<br />
Also, please be extra careful when editing records which other editors have worked on. Communication is key :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:25, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thank you very much, I'll test it. And from now on I'll be very cautios with other people's work. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:33, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== German translations of Irma Chilton ==<br />
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Hi Christian,<br />
I need help with some complex editing of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?223006 Irma Chilton].<br />
Right now the situation is as follows:<br />
* She has written two short novellas: "Take Away the Flowers" and "Fuller's World".<br />
* These have been published as a collection with the name "Take Away the Flower & Fuller's World".<br />
* There are three German language publications by her:<br />
** "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" (Boje)<br />
** "1. Auftrag im All" (Pelikan Tramp-Buch), indicated as a licensed publication from Boje<br />
** "Schmuggel im All" (Pelikan Tramp-Buch), indicated as a licensed publication from Boje<br />
<br />
Right now "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" is claimed to be the translation of "Take Away the Flowers". It is right now unknown (in the database), which are the sources of the two Tramp books.<br />
<br />
I do not own either of the books, but from what I have read in several forums (e.g. [https://forum.sf-fan.de/viewtopic.php?p=196266#p196266 at SF-Fan]) I am 100% sure that:<br />
* "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" is a translation of the entire collection "Take Away the Flower & Fuller's World".<br />
* "1. Auftrag im All" is "Take Away the Flowers".<br />
* "Schmuggel im All" is "Fuller's World".<br />
<br />
In my opinion this would be the only explanation that makes sense, and it is in line with what I have seen in other publications in the Tramp series. The Tramp books are sub-licenses of Boje that is mentioned in the books. In that case all translations would be by Siegfried Schmitz (which is not mentioned there).<br />
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Also, I think that the cover artwork of "Schmuggel im All" could be by Edward Blair Wilkins but that should be checked separately.<br />
<br />
Even if you think that these changes are too much of a risk as they are speculations without checking the original publications I wanted to document my findings here so that others do not need to start from the beginning.<br />
<br />
Thanks! [[User:Naut|Naut]] 02:54, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I think you're right in your assumptions, since both Tramp books are stated as licensed by Boje. Thanks for the informational update, I'll converge the titles accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:28, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Good solution that you have found. Thanks! [[User:Naut|Naut]] 05:08, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:37, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Eschbach, Abschied von der Erde ==<br />
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Hello Christian, can you help me to add this [http://www.andreaseschbach.de/files/abschied-von-der-erde.html story]? Thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 11:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure. Would you like to try it? Here's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?765405 an analogous example] (of course - or likely - we don't know much about the pages or the price). Only be sure to mark it as nongenre. I'll take a second look after the edit, if it's okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hello Christian, thank you for the example. Here is the result: {{P|836910|Die Welt, Samstag, 20. April 2019}}. I hope everything is correct, please take a look. Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 09:58, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Looks good! Maybe a note on the source of the shortfiction (author's web page) would be fine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Now with the link. Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 13:18, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== {{P|833362|Nova, #30}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, in this pub is a gap from p.101 to p.160. Should I add the contents? Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:19, 26 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:If you'd like to do it you're welcome. It got somehow lost in my to-do list: wanted to read & enjoy the contents in full before entering them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:02, 27 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hello Christian, everything is done (I hope). Please take a look [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:28, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Great work! Thank you very much! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:10, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Aligning notes'' ==<br />
<br />
Hello Christian! What is the meaning of the phrase ''aligning notes'' as a justification, when you make changes in the notes where we are both PV? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 06:46, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It means to have the notes as in other publications of a given series. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:50, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Whereby your wording and your order of the individual notes are predetermined? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 07:25, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Not necessarily, but with 'Titan' it seemed somehow useful for the avid reader to have one orientation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:33, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: One other thing that seems more important is the role of Wolfgang Jeschke: he is credited as co-editor but doesn't appear with the parent title (and is obviously not a pseudonym used by Aldiss): would 'Wolfgang Jeschke (in error)' possibly be more appropriate? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:41, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Do I understand that correctly, that the decision of what may be necessary and what is useful for an avid reader is made by you? Other PV should follow accordingly even if they are the first making a different entry in the notes? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:55, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Well, the more there is in the notes the more there is that a user might find useful. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:14, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::Well, but sometimes less is even more.But you still haven't answered my question. So I can assume that you keep changing some notes of mine that have the similar content as yours and feel the urge to change the sequence of my notes, even though I am the first PV. Also, I didn't catch that the notes of a given series have to be structurally identical. Could you please guide me to the corresponding rule. I appreciate your effort. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:48, 8 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: If you feel the way that unstructured notes for publications where you are the first PV should prevail we can leave it at that. Sorry that you might feel I have stepped on your toes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:40, 8 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::Nice that you've got it. BTW, in case you haven't noticed, in practically all ISFDB pubs, the notes aren't structured. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:47, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Yeah, but the majority of them generally have only stub notes; that shouldn't be a reason to not work on them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:12, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::''Wolfgang Jeschke'' isn't the editor of the original anthologies, but he is of course the editor of the entire ''Titan-series''. We can't leave him out. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:55, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It's only that he didn't do editorial work other than for other translated works (anthologies among them), where he ain't credited. The contents for 'Titan' were selected by other editors, and Jeschke only organized the translations and the cover artworks; there seems to be no original content work he did. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:12, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: From that point of view you are right, but his name is associated with all 21 TITAN issues and is emphasized on the cover, spine and title page. It reminds me a bit of the alleged part, Isaac Asimov played as editor for the Greenberg/Waugh anthologies. His name was prominently featured on the cover. I would therefore recommend, just as with Asimov, that his name be kept. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 12:11, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Okay, I'm fine with that point of view. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:24, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Makroleben ==<br />
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Cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?364664 this] is Angus McKie. Same cover art as on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87404 this] book. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:25, 11 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Many thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:36, 11 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)'' ==<br />
<br />
Checking the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?731973 edit history] of the paperback edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?731973 ''Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)''], I see that the title was originally entered by [[User:Galacticjourney]], one of the contributors, as "Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)". On 2019-09-23 you moved "Rediscovery" to the "Series" field. On 2019-10-14 Annie removed "Rediscovery" from related title records.<br />
<br />
Yesterday, [[User:Galacticjourney]] [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Can.27t_log_in indicated] that "Rediscovery" is part of the title proper as opposed to a series name. As far as I can tell, there are no related books with "Rediscovery" in the title, so it would appear that he is right. Would it be OK to change the title back to ''Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)''? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:47, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Yeah, it should stay in the title. Looks like I just fixed the extremely sloppy editing that removed it in half of the places (in preparation of cloning for the ebook) without checking if it should have been edited to start with (my bad on that). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:48, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: Without a second volume in the series, it is best to put 'Rediscovery:' back into the title(s) proper (which I just did; I also corrected the stated 'First edition' for the ebook). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:36, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: It is the first edition of the ebook, Look inside even showed it when I looked when I added it. Why would you “correct” it? Can you please share your research that led to removing data from the edition? The only cited source is Amazon and it says so. So we record it. If you have other information, please add your sources and reasoning to the edit. Otherwise, please do not edit something to contradict the cited sources. <br />
::: And apparently you could not be bothered to fix the titles that take their names from the reference title (again) so I will finish your edit again. :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:49, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: The statement for a first edition was obviously erroneous, the print edition preceded it. If it's stated, 'Stated first edition' would be right to add to the notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:26, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It looks like there may be some minor discrepancies between what Look Inside shows and what the Amazon.com record shows. For example, Look Inside says "August 2019" while the displayed Amazon record says "September 2, 2019" (perhaps the date when the e-book became available at Amazon?). It would be helpful to document these discrepancies in Notes to avoid questions in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:42, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: If the source and the book declare this as a first edition, we document that (or you add notes explaining the discrepancy). "Apparent first ebook edition" is nonsense in this case because of what the sources are saying. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:56, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: That's why 'Stated first edition' would be right, as explained above. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:07, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: With a single source, anything un-attributed specifically comes from that source - which in this case is Amazon and the statement "data from Amazon" makes it clear. Adding Stated is not needed here - but I added a note where exactly it comes from. None of that explains your "Apparent first ebook edition" from earlier today. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:25, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Weg zum Mars ==<br />
<br />
Just a quick note to let you know that I have adjusted the parent authors of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854643 verified ''Der Weg zum Mars'']. Is it safe to assume that it was the only volume in the trilogy translated by Heyne? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:10, 5 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for the updating! I wasn't able to find the original novel (and Хачатурьянц) at Wikipedia or at FantLab. There was a German edition of 'На астероиде', which I'm gonna to add this week, but I don't know yet if it's part of the series, at first glance the book didn't give a hint towards that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:28, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: According to [https://fantlab.ru/work780752 FantLab], it's part 2 of a trilogy:<br />
::* Путь к Марсу (first serialization 1978, first book publication 1979)<br />
::* На астероиде (first serialization 1981, first book publication 1984)<br />
::* Здравствуй, Фобос! (first serialization 1982, first book publication 1988)<br />
<br />
:: Unfortunately, since FantLab's bibliographies are author-centric, finding anything published by authors who do not have "curated" bibliographies is a chore. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:49, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks!. It was (theoretically) possible to search by publisher, but the publications appeared to be not ordered chronologically, and I have to admit, that I gave up after the first twenty-something. But I'll add the 'На астероиде' to the series upon entering. Thanks again. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:58, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== German poetry ==<br />
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If you have a minute, can you check if you can find earlier editions for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Need_a_little_help these poems]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 20 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's seems possible that the poems were published before 1905 in a magazine or a newspaper. I have found no evidence for this, however. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:20, 21 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Yeah, I cannot find anything either. I did not put the word first in the notes exactly because I was not sure it is first so that’s the best we can do for now I guess. :) Thanks for looking. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:43, 21 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Your capitalization changes ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Just a reminder to write moderator notes when you make extensive changes like the ones here: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5100882 Changes in every story] (or any changes really when other editors had worked on a record)? While it may be obvious to you, it won't be in 3 years. Also - when you do that kind of changes, don't forget to follow up on any parents that may exist (it is wrongly created and I am cleaning it up but there was a parent out there with the old capitalization. I would have also posted a reminder for the editor although Portuguese may need some reversals - European and Brazilian Portuguese capitalize differently apparently (why would anything be easy). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:53, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the reminder, Annie (and for the information to the editor)! Right now, I'm working on works and publications by Lem. Nevertheless, I tend to do other things that I run across, and maybe, that's not as good a idea as it seems to be (but on the other hand, every betterment has its benefit). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:09, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Oh, it is always a good idea. Just get in the habit of adding moderator notes - especially when doing cleanup. I started way back when before I became a moderator and now it is a second nature. We don’t need an essay - just a reminder note - in this case I’d say “capitalization” and be done. Makes the “what happened here” easier to parse. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:14, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Okay, will do so in the future. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:16, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Allan Quatermain ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5102776 This] had a very interesting price. Can you check to make sure I picked the correct currency when fixing it? Pre-unification German currencies trip me up occasionally. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:04, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Ooooops! Yes, a strange price that was indeed, thanks for the find. DM is correct. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:12, 30 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Orphan Perry Rhodans ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you figure out in which PR series do these 3 fit:<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843076 Perry Rhodan, #282: Die Spur führt zu Jagos Stern]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843074 Perry Rhodan, #281: Kampf in der Tiefsee]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843072 Perry Rhodan, #280: Die Weltraumdetektive greifen ein]<br />
They had been sitting on the board alone since March and are starting to feel a bit lonely... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:11, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And while you are around [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?856123 Perry Rhodan Sonderband] also needs a series. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:13, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for the findings, Annie! Will do the first, but the 'Sonderband' seems to be a one-shot so far: it was published to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the series, and there may be more in five and/or ten years. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:12, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Editor records need to be part of series in the DB. So either it is a magazine/fanzine (and has one) or it is a different thing and needs a type change. Your choice. I’d just stick the name of the Pub itself as a series for now. Or put it directly under the master PR series - surely it must be connected to the big sprawling universe in there. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Okay, you're double right: I did some research at Perrypedia, and there were in fact two previous publications in the series, different in character, though (not entered so far). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:38, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: Always fun when that happens, isn’t it? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:45, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tom O'Bedlam oder der arme Tom von Bethlehem ==<br />
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What do you mean with "The cover design should be credited to Atelier Ingrid Schütz on the copyright page." [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?594754 here]? I am wondering about the "should be" part of the sentence :) What are you trying to convey exactly? And there is another "should be" over there - both sound like an attempt to say something which came out weirdly in English. Did you mean "most likely" or "with a certain degree of certainty even though we have no access to the book" or "based on other books, it is expected to be there"? If so, the better expression will be "most likely" plus a note about the reason for your thinking that it is the case. Or just state where you got the information from and don't try to guess what is on the copyright page if you do not have access to it. <br />
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The way it is written now is as if you are telling the printer what to put on the pages, not a format that shows what might be on the page. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:59, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Noted. Thanks for the help! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:56, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Parabel vom Sämann ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331034 review] for Die Parabel vom Sämann [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362530 here] is connected to the English title and not the German one. Is it reviewing the English title or is that a leftover from some of the old conventions? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: In the same book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331033 this one] is connected to a short story and not the collection and a few more are going to the English titles. You may want to check them all. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: No, these are the German title and the anthology reviewed (didn't review the connections upon veryifying). I'll reconnect. Thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:55, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: We have a new report for cross-language reviews: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?301 here] - while we were fixing languages and splitting language versions in the last years, we forgot the reviews connections somehow. You may want to check the German ones in there - sometimes they need to stay like that so if there is a PV I will be knocking on their doors to check/verify anyway shortly. So if you have the time and inclination, some help will be appreciated. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:06, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: PS: Like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412301 this one]. Are all of those non-German titles really used like that in the book (as the review titles) and are they reviewing the original texts? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:09, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Yes, they are; at least they are titled this way. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:18, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I'll clear these from the report then later so someone does not decide to fix them. I'd add a general note in the publication as well if I were you explaining that (it is uncommon so more notes, the better). Thanks for checking! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:24, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Menagerie von Babel ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you check if [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2055389 this story] has 7 or 17 in the title? I would not be surprised if it got changed for German but just making sure it is not a typo in the DB. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:25, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, it has the '7' (and it even states the original title with a '7'). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:07, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for checking. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:27, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan #3137 ==<br />
Hi,<br />
could you please have a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?852244 PR #3137]? According to the cover, the author is Robert Corvus, but it's currently listed as Uwe Anton. According to Perrypedia, Anton was the originally scheduled author, but it looks like that changed. Thank you. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 16:11, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for finding this! That one just slipped through the net. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:13, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Converting to chapbooks and languages. ==<br />
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When converting to chapbooks like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5139193 here], keep in mind that ALL newly created titles will NOT have a language because the work does not have a reference title. In such cases, add the chapbook record only. Save it. Fix the language of the chapbook. Then edit again to add all the art pieces. Otherwise someone needs to manually fix the language on each of them one by one (21 of them to be exact in this case) :) Alternatively, do a single update but then fix the languages of all titles. Thanks! <br />
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: Thanks, Annie. I thought I had grabbed them all.<br />
:: You got the chapbooks. The 21 art pieces across English and Swedish had no language. All sorted now - just keep that in mind - these can be annoying that way. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Also what is the source for claiming that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391615 this] is first edition? [https://www.worldcat.org/title/mio-min-mio/oclc/7772523 OCLC] does not say so. No other sources listed. Same for the printing - OCLC does not specify first printing and there may have been differences that disqialify this record (sourced by this OCLC record) and carrying this cover and these illustrations from being the first printing. So how did you determine that this is a first edition? It may well be - but we need to show at least a source OR a justification to claim it so. And we need a source for the number of illustrations you added - OCLC does not have that either :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:16, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Will add the source. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:46, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which Wikipedia? And which pages - the book, the author, the artist, a combination of? Contents differ per language... We need a link to the correct one in the Web Pages (or correct ones if more than one is used). Someone should be able to follow our research when done online based on our notes - saying just "Wikipedia" is like saying "Google" :) <br />
:: And I do not see the 17 illustrations mentioned in either the Swedish or the English versions. Or the German one. Unless I missed it somewhere? So where did you find these mentioned? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Christian? Can you please point to your source for the 17 illustrations? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:57, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Yeah, well Wikipedia of course and the upcoming German edition(s). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:37, 6 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Tramps von Luna ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have digital copies from {{P|721869|Das große Robert A. Heinlein Lesebuch}} and {{P|670004|Die Tramps von Luna}}. In the first one the novel has 18 chapters (the last sentence is: Hazel öffnete die Augen. »Ist sie das?«), in the second one are 19 chapters (the last sentence is:Der Start unterbrach ihren Satz. Aber Roger Stone wußte, was sie meinte. Saturn – Uranus – Pluto …). Please take a look how the novel ends. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 18:00, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, the earlier translation was noted as likely abridged, I think that does explain the differences. I'll clarify the notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:27, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== One Cover ==<br />
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The cover I just added to Richard Bach's One is the same as the later edition; some editor entered a note for that edition that there was no credit for the cover art but there was for cover design and entered that, which is wrong, so neither of them should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:45, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This may be so, but [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Gzuckier Gzuckier] was the one who added the initial credit, so please do ask him for the reasoning behind this. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:54, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moon Quest ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Just a quick reminder: If you are adding any extra titles (covers, interior art and so on) during a novel -> chapbook conversion, they are created with no language so you may want to chase them down and add a language to them while you are still working on the book. If you first add the chapbook, then set its language and THEN add the additional titles, you do not have this problem. But when you add them when you are adding the CHAPBOOK title, their languages need to be set manually. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259461 Moon Quest] pinged in a report with both of its art titles being language-less. Fixed now. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:56, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks, Annie. I'll try even harder to expand my memory cells. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Alternatively, keep an eye on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?194 report] when you know you did some conversions the previous day. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:14, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== lub hnub qub tshiab - Neuer Stern 67 ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?825350 this] for me? Looks like the author of that single story tried to add Neuer Stern 67 but... that's one weird title on the whole magazine. And then there is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854606 this one] as well - is this a fanzine or magazine? Any chance you can find something in the German blogs/publisher site/something to get these up to shape or at least to make that first one less ugly and figure out the type if nothing else? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:25, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, but I can't find anything about the correct title (the weird part might be part of the title, but our conventions would imply to have the fanzine's (!!!) title first, I'd think). One thing I was able to find is that it's really a sort of newsletter for the club, so definitely a fanzine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:56, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Google translate tells me that "lub hnub qub tshiab" is "New Star" in Hmong (which may or may not be the truth - Google Translate is getting better but some languages are more challenging for it and I know nothing about Hmong to be able to do some checks). But "Neuer Stern" is the same in German. So I wonder if it was not a Hmong issue or something? But yep - under our rules magazine/fanzine generic title is always first in the title. The only thing I can find is [https://www.scifinet.org/scifinetboard/index.php/blog/64/entry-9817-neuer-stern-66-67-roboter-frankenstein-elstercon/ this] which confirms the story being there but does not have anything about Hmong. Thanks for checking! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:11, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Nice find! I'd think that the editor(s) searched for an exotic translation of New Star / Neuer Stern and put that one into the title to puzzle the readership (which worked!). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: That would also explain why I see nothing Hmong related in the issue description/contents. I had not seen the editor who adds these around lately but I will leave them a note as well and maybe we will get to the bottom of all this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:40, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Feinde im Weltall? und andere Novellen ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Need a German eye for a second. Is the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?402542 here] ℳ1.00 or is there something else happening with this - at the end (1907 will make it the Gold Mark so I am pretty sure about the currency but if that is also not it, let me know? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 16 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, it should be ℳ1.00, which was valid from 1871 until 1914. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:16, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Wiktor Piwowarow ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?335724 Pivovarov] is definitely not the [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 sportsman] but the [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%94%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 painter]. :) I fixed the link to Wiki and his legal name. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:53, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Ah, yes. Thanks Annie, it didn't occur to me that there might be two Pivovarovs (well, it might, if I'd be able to really read Russian - not only decipher most letters). I just wondered why the Wikipedia had the year of birth as 1957 and not 1937. Thanks for the correction, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:46, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: There are actually [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80 5 of them] that were important enough to have articles - just one relevant to us though (funnily enough 3 of them are born in the same year making it even more confusing if you cannot read the descriptions). Feel free to ping me if you need someone to assist with my languages. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:59, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Will do! Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:05, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Metropolis ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/metropolis0000lang; Saw you did some Metropolis edits after my recent edits; have you seen this? Says Second Printing 1981. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:43, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yeah, your Fritz Lang update triggered the 'Metropolis' conversion to SHORTFICTION / CHAPBOOK, a thing that I became aware of quite a while ago (but forgot about it, working on other things). I saw the second printing of 1981, but am not sure if it's the hc or the tp that is reprinted (the second seems more likely, but you never know). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:52, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Currency question: Peter Schlemihl's wundersame Geschichte ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646729 this one]. Can we safely write "Taler 1.25" or is there something else going on with this currency that will require a different format? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:01, 3 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Ah, I see the problem of the double space. I've updated the record to Taler 1.25. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:44, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Ministry for the Future title & pub dates ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'm curious why you've zeroed out the day-of-the-month for the title and several pubs of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2772326 The Ministry for the Future]? Whilst I appreciate that "street dates" often don't match the official pub dates, AFAIK [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date policy] is to use the official date, and - again AFAIK - the dates listed by Amazon, Kobo, etc for the digital pubs should definitely be accurate to when those products became available to download.<br />
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Losing this info is unhelpful for some projects I've been mulling over (but haven't actually gotten around to implementing, sigh):<br />
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* Analysing peak weeks-of-the-year for pubs - flattening everything to a 28-31 day period would make this less accurate<br />
* Doing cross-checks between the data in ISFDB versus the data I've locally scraped from various sites, to check for errors, delays, etc<br />
* Potentially looking for discrepancies in Tuesday vs Thursday pubs to see if stuff has been allocated to the wrong publisher (e.g. Tor US vs UK, Orbit US vs UK). In itself, this wouldn't be reliable, and would likely have lots of false positives (seems like lots of UK ebooks come out on Tuesdays to match the US), but in conjunction with other signals like currency or ISBN range, might help to prioritize the most likely to be errors.<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 11:06, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:The available (per Amazon's look inside) copyright statements only speak of 'October 2020', thus - as a policy - we use this as the official publication date (since it is the stated one: official statement ruling out a vendor's statement). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:11, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: But by that logic, loads of recent UK pubs should be submitted with a yyyy-00-00 date, because the info on the copyright page doesn't go to a more granular level than the year? (I have just double checked this with a bunch of recent-ish UK books from big 5 imprints, most of which were first printings, and all just had the year listed.) <br />
::: There's a difference, in that those statements mostly have a copyright statement, not a statement for a publication date. {{unsigned|Stonecreek}}<br />
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:: Also, I'm not sure that details from the copyright page of one pub merit changing the details for other pubs, especially if they are from (arguably) different publishers? The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5193936 UK hc] doesn't have a Look Inside preview on Amazon .com, .co.uk or .de, and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?795201 UK ebook] only states a year per [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ministry-Future-Kim-Stanley-Robinson-ebook/dp/B08C5DWVRK/ the Amazon preview]. (As an aside, the edits mean that the note on that ebook pub are no longer correct w.r.t. price) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 12:13, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Well, in the hc case, the kindle edition states 'Originally published in hardcover and ebook by Orbit in October 2020'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:12, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
: As long as they are properly sourced, removing dates based on copyright statement is IMO database vandalism. Christian, please stop doing that. We date books based on ALL sources - if we can date exactly based on publisher/seller site and we can add a note on that source, we should not remove the date because the book only mentions the month (or the year). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:00, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: PS: All dates had been restored as per the sources in their notes. Adding a note that "OCLC only lists the month" or whatever else note you want to add to specify that some other sites specify something different if you want but please stop removing data from the DB and leaving the notes in a state that does not match the data in the listed sources. Thanks! I really hope you had not been doing that on other books and thus destroying data in the DB consistently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: One more note. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?791721 this one]. We have a PV who left the date. They even left a note explaining the source of the date (Amazon.com). And yet you changed the date leaving the note incorrect <br />
:::* Should have not happened on a PV'd book at all - you don't "fix" other people's data without talking to them based on what you think the data should look like.<br />
:::* Leaving the date and the note not matching makes this a really bad edit - even if the data loss was not. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:20, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) The issue of using YYYY-MM-00 date values taken from copyright pages over more precise YYYY-MM-DD date values from other sources was debated back in 2006-2007 when ISFDB 2.0 was launched. At the time, the majority of editors believed that exact publication dates used by Amazon and other online booksellers were unreliable and did not necessarily represent actual publication dates. This resulted in a convoluted process of capturing the exact (YYYY-MM-DD) pre-publication date from Amazon, using it to generate the "Select Forthcoming Books" list on the front page, then changing the date to a YYYY-MM-00 date printed in the book when the publication was verified. To the best of my recollection, this practice was abandoned in the mid-2010s and we decided to keep the more precise YYYY-MM-DD date when its source is properly documented in Notes. It's similar to the way we add and document other types of information -- like cover artist names -- from secondary sources.<br />
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I don't think the old, abandoned, method is documented anywhere in Help, but, based on the discussion above, I suspect that Christian may be still using it. Does this make sense, Christian? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:38, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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Having said that, changing primary-verified publications like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?791721 this one] without consulting the verifier and leaving records in an inconsistent state is not acceptable and something that the reviewing moderator would normally be expected to catch. Since you are a self-approver, the responsibility to enforce ISFDB conventions and keep records self-consistent falls on you. Please make sure this doesn't happen again or else it will jeopardize your self-approver status. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:30, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Yeah, I was using the consenus you refer to, and it must have been debated even after 2007 (because I wasn't around then). The verifier hasn't been around for almost a year, and had the contradictory dates (stated month within the publication vs. day stated by a vendor). The consensus still is - to the best of my knowledge - that Amazon is not a reliable bibliographical source per se, and we use the dates in those cases where we don't have a more reliable source (for example the copyright page of a given publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:56, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: I ducked out of this conversation because I spent some time digging through old rules and standards archives to see if this had previously been discussed. I believe [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Stated_publication_date_vs._actual_publication_date.3F this exchange from 2012] might be what Ahasuerus is referring to? My reading of that discussion was that Christian's changes could certainly be interpreted as in line with that discussion, but also that that discussion was based on presumptions that might no longer be as valid as they were, at least in the context of new (2015+) books and/or downloaded media? I haven't yet run across any discussion that might relate to "this practice was abandoned in the mid-2010s", but my ability to go through years of R&S discussion has its limits ;-)<br />
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::: Re. "the contradictory dates (stated month within the publication vs. day stated by a vendor", personally I don't believe that "Published in yyyy" or "Published in monthname yyyy" in a primary source is contradicted by secondary sources that list a particular yyyy-mm-dd value - Where the yyyy and mm match up, of course - and that if we have reasonable sources for the yyyy-mm-dd, these should be used, and that these shouldn't be replaced by yyyy-mm-00 values unless there's a good reason, and if so, that reason (and the original yyyy-mm-dd value) should be documented in the title/pub note? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 08:12, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: Sounds a reasonable way to deal with it: I do know of some (German) publishers that do their deals first - directly - with their customers and/or special 'hardware' book shops (those that one actually can step into), and make it available only after that to online (or other) vendors. So, I recall that the date stated with Amazon was assumed to be the one that a publication was made available there (nothing more, nothing less). This has lead to the above statement that we enter this date when there's nothing better available to us (and that'd be the case for many new publications upon entering them). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:25, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: Amazon is not reliable for dates on OLD books - as in pre-2009 maybe and books that only have listings from external vendors. Things had changed since then. Multiple times. These days Amazon.com for new US books and Amazon UK for new UK ones, especially when they are from major publishers and when the publishers don’t move the dates are pretty reliable for dates. Plus there were multiple sources listed on the UK books here - all of which you just ignored :) The US ones may not have been listed but they are easily foundable and all agree on the date. Assuming that both me and John did not verify the dates when adding these books was arrogant (and how any of that logic for hardcovers applies to Audio books and eBooks that you also changed is a mystery). Let’s not use the German practices for dating US/UK books going forward. Plus as I said - for some of those Amazon was not the only source and “I assumed so” without bothering to check the publisher site or anything else is never a good reason to delete data. If you are not sure about a practice in a different country, please ask - don’t just assume it matches Germany. As i had to correct another publication “fixed” like that by you, i have a suspicion that we are looking at another cleanup efforts to cleanup after your edits… Maybe you need to spend some time with the help pages and refresh your ideas in how the site rules had changed in the last 10 years or so? That’s not the first time you are applying rules which had been out of use for a decade (dating of variants come to mind). :) <br />
::::: Anything else I can assist clarifying around dating of English language books? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: PS: The short version of the request here: The basic rule for blanking a date (or any other data really) should be "is there a reason not to trust the date?" and not "oh, I don't trust dates so I will always remove them" which seems to have happened here and elsewhere. More data is better than less data so unless you have a reason to think an already added date is incorrect, leave it in place, please. Especially of there is a source (or 4) corroborating. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:00, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Sorry, Annie, but none of your statements refer to the consensus that seems to still hold: we use the officially stated date of publication, when we have one available. And that the one stated at Amazon (or another source) isn't the official date was made clear: nowadays it is the date of distribution (for Amazon). If you could point me (and us) to the argumentational thread where the consensus mentioned above was changed, I'd be most grateful. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:13, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::::: That's not the practice OR the consensus. We date books based on all available sources and document our sources. We don't throw away sources and data because Stonecreek don't trust them (and don't want to do a search to verify them). Please stop removing dates on books where there is no suspicion on when the book was actually published. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:32, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: Yes, it is: per the discussion from 2012 referred to above this ''is'' (or was then) the consensus. Even more, the help for entering the date of publication explicitly says what to use: ''For books, to identify the publication date, try to find a statement (often on the verso of the title page) that says something like "Published in June 2001"''; the exception referred to after that statement is only for later printings. So, what else is there as a point for deviating from that? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:49, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::: Removing valid data is never acceptable. If you change them back and delete the data again, I will restore it again as we have a valid source to corroborate the exact date. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:35, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Christian, if you disagree with a moderator's interpretation of the data entry rules, using your self-approver privileges to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?2970434 undo the moderator's edits] is a completely unacceptable way to go about resolving the disagreement. It just starts an "edit war", which should never happen here. This is not what the self-approver status was created for; additional instances of this behavior or ''any'' other abuse of the privileges will result in their termination.<br />
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The right way to resolve this issue would be to post your arguments on the Moderator Noticeboard. If the subsequent discussion warrants it, we may take it to the Rules and Standards board.<br />
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BTW, to check the current practice, I have compiled a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_month&O_1=exact&TERM_1=2021-01&C=AND&USE_2=pub_ver_date&O_2=contains&TERM_2=2021&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication list of primary-verified publications published in January 2021]. Out of 126 pubs, only 30 (14 of them are magazines) have 2021-01-00 dates. The rest have full 2021-01-DD dates.<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Stated_publication_date_vs._actual_publication_date.3F the 2012 Rules and Standards discussion], it ended with MartyD planning to come up with new Help language and post it for further discussion, which, as far as I can tell, never happened. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:02, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Well, the help page - referred to above - states it the way we overcame to in the discussion, regardless if the help was changed afterward: if not, it appears the discussion ensured the text. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:41, 13 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Alte DSFP Nominierungen == <br />
Wow, Super, danke Dir für Deinen hilfreichen Links hier! (ch switche hier einfach mal ins Deutsch, wenn okay?)! Ich muss mich da echt mal einlesen und habe ja als ersten Projekt den DSFP nachzutragen, da warst du ja selber im Komitee! Paar Angaben auf der Webseite stimmen wohl nicht (copy & paste Fehler beim Übertrag der der Vorjahre) aber die ersten Preise sollten ich seit 1985 haben. Gibt es evt. irgendwo ein Archiv, wo man tatsächlich noch die alten Platzieren herausfinden kann? DANKE! --[[User:Jannis|Jannis]] 06:18, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, and welcome to my talk page! <br />
: If you don't mind, I do prefer to write in English, though you may ask in German, if you aren't sure how to phrase things. The reason is that this is a site for which the work is done in English, and other editors may have difficulties to read and understand other languages (and it may become tedious to translate things from one language into the other and back - which may be needed in case of information relevant to ISFDB).<br />
: Having said this, I will try and help you with the award if I can. Alas, there seems to be no online archive for the older nominations, but I'll try and take a look into my magazine & nonfiction stack, if there's more information to be found there (though for the very first year - 1985 - there was nothing to be found so far). Do you have any access to old issues of the magazine / fanzine "Andromeda Nachrichten"? The nominations should be listed there, if anywhere! And may I ask you about your background and how you did find out about me (because I think my being with the comitee was not communicated far and wide)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:36, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Sure, switching back to English, no worries! Btw is this the way the right method to directly communicate here? And sorry, I hope it's not spoiling a secret, because it's stated on the open NOVA website: https://nova-sf.de/eine-site and sadly no access to "Andromeda" :( Next task: I must add some info about my<elf on my page here :) [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] 11:42, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, this is the right way to communicate with the single members / editors of ISFDB. One more quite important page may be the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk Help Desk] where you can ask anything that you may find puzzling about entering or ensuring data. <br />
::: If you like you may also want to add information to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?318201 your summary page]. How to? Just click 'Edit Author Data' on the left tool bar, listed under 'Editing Tools'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:25, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Moderator Noticeboard discussion of the Perry Rhodan changes ==<br />
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Could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Unverifying_publications this discussion on the Moderator Noticeboard], which is related to these Perry Rhodan changes? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:11, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 2001: Uma odisseia no espaço ==<br />
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I see that you have edited [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?664749 2001: Uma odisseia no espaço], a primary-verified publication, after asking the primary verifier on 2022-01-27 and also asking for feedback on the Community Portal. Seeking consensus is always good a thing, but let me remind you what I wrote [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:AlainLeBris#Stalker on AlainLeBris]'s Talk page on 2022-01-21:<br />
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: Christian, it's been less than 24 hours since your original questions were posted. Please do not edit publications primary-verified by active editors without their consent. If you believe that a verifier has made a mistake, e.g. a name was misspelled, and the verifier does not respond to your inquiry after a week, post your findings on the Moderator Noticeboard. To quote the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_if_I_want_to_make_a_change_in_a_verified_publication_record.3F ISFDB FAQ]:<br />
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:* If you want to change or remove information, please ask the verifier first. If the verifier doesn't respond in a week or so, post a note on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]] and someone will help you.<br />
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: This is the standard procedure and all editors are expected to follow it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:15, 21 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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Again, this is the standard process and all editors are expected to follow it, yet your edits have repeatedly gone against the process over the last few weeks. If you do not follow the process again, your self-approver privileges will be revoked. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:29, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Okay, thanks, I'll do my very best! I hope I'll not be carried away again trying to help things making better. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:40, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art credit for Science-Fiction-Stories 79 ==<br />
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Christian, I've added the cover credit for Rich Sternbach to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?642914 Science-Fiction-Stories 79] as it's a variant of a Galaxy cover of his. I modified the comment about the indecipherable signature to note that the art has been flipped. Martin--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 10:21, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Many thanks, Martin! Great find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:44, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|632555|Bruder der Gorgonen}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, on the cover is a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/8/8f/Greenaway_peter_van-bruder_der_gorgonen_sig.jpg signature], maybe you can read them. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:01, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, Henna, but I remember having spent some time to identify this artwork upon verifying the publication but couldn't decipher it either. The artist's style also didn't ring a bell. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:35, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Als der Weihnachtsmann vom Himmel fiel ==<br />
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Can you check the ISBN [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?876827 here]? It is a bit too late for ISBN-10 and if it is indeed the only one printed (being a reprint and all), a note explaining that should be added. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:36, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:With this being only a transient verification, I do assume that this is most likely a cloning error. I'll update the ISBN. Thanks for finding this, Annie! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:31, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Bardioc ==<br />
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After your latest edits, the link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?553981 in the notes here] is not valid anymore. Can you find out where it is supposed to link now? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:25, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:It must have been defunct before, since I didn't do anything with it. Fixed. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:00, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Possibly. :) But it needed fixing and you had been around the title so had a better chance to figure it out than me starting from scratch :) Thanks for fixing it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:02, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Ring of Thoth ==<br />
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Regarding {{T|1094940}}: Variants are dated based on the first appearance under that title and author credit. 1890 was the original appearance of the story, not the original appearance of this variant. Doyle was knighted in 1902 so any credit with Sir has to be after that date. I have restored the prior date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:06, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Juvenile flags ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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A gentle reminder that if a story is marked as juvenile, you also need to mark all chapbooks which contain it as juvenile (and vice versa). A few of your additions and updates in the last weeks showed up on the discrepancy report (and are now fixed) but please keep that in mind. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks, Annie, will try to think of it in the future! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:37, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|2374871|Fabeln aus künftigen Jahren, in denen die Menschen in unterirdischen Bunkern leben werden}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, is this the same text like in ''Zeitschleifen''?<br />
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Ein Ingenieur hat geschrieben, daß sich die Felsen in der Umgebung von Prag zum Bau von unterirdischen Bunkern für die Prager Bevölkerung eignen.<br />
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''Im Zeitalter der unterirdischen Bunker''<br />
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Wenn man überlegt, daß die frühere Menschheit ihre Behausungen über der Erde gebaut hat! Welch primitive Zeiten das doch waren!<br />
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Thanks for looking it up [[User:Henna|Henna]] 12:54, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, it is: it is even stated as taken from the anthology ''Zeitschleifen''. Thanks! Christian<br />
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::Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 08:25, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 7. & 8. Reise ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I think in {{P|552030|7. & 8. Reise}} the date 1961 for the two stories is wrong. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 11:22, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sure! I do wonder how I got to this date. Strange things seem to happen... Thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:51, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Das Killer-Ding ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?390487 this] is by Angus McKie. It's a mirror image of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21342 Manalone]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:41, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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Thanks! Great find! I'll add the information. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:28, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Welcome template ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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If you are going to be posting these, please do that properly: it is <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> and not just <nowiki>{{welcome}}</nowiki> as the page for it [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Welcome very clearly states]. Otherwise you make it VERY hard for an editor to answer or figure our why their page appears to be locked (as the direct call opens the template, NOT the local version). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:09, 17 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Aera: The Return of the Ancient Gods (part 7) ==<br />
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As you did this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4929481 edit], can you please clarify where you got this title ("Aera: The Return of the Ancient Gods (part 7)" from? <br />
:* The "Look Inside" shows "Episode 7" clearly. <br />
:* The cover has just "7" - which is technically irrelevant due to the title page being available.<br />
:* Our rules for naming of serials are very clear: "If the title of a SERIAL installment is unique, e.g. "Butterflies in the Kremlin, Part Eight: As the Bear Turns" or "Ciężki bój (cz. 1)", then use the full form of the title."<br />
:* Even if the title page did not contain a unique title, the rules would not have created your title: "If, on the other hand, the title is shared by at least one other SERIAL installment of the work, append a space and a parenthetical statement such as "(Part 1 of 3)" to the title."<br />
So where is your title coming from? Changing titles from valid titles to invalid ones (which you may prefer) is not a good idea. The lack of notification to the editors that had worked on that title is also a bad idea (and you had been reminded of the common courtesy expectations before - although this being an oldish edit, it probably was before that). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:45, 17 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Guess I had only the rule for the parenthetical statement in mind as valid. Sorry! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:47, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant title dates ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I see you're still changing variant title dates to the date of the original, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5266880 here]. Please try to remember the date should be that of the first appearance of the variant. Also, do you have any idea where the 1972 date of the original comes from? There's no note explaining this. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:55, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll add the corresponding publication this week. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: It is always a good idea to add notes on dates provenances (or any other pieces of data but dates in titles are often disconnected from books like here) if you are not adding the book supporting it immediately. If that title with this date had been submitted for moderation, you would have been asked for the source so a note can be added. As Self-approver, the expectation is the same. We all have plans but life happens and things get missed and forgotten so let’s try not to have any data added without notes on its provenance? Can you add a quick note explaining that date? You can remove it when/if you add the book later. Thanks in advance. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Riesenvögel kommen ==<br />
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Ho there, Christian! Can you tell me what [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2226371 this] is about? Does it say what the original article was? Thanks.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 20:10, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm afraid it doesn't. It's about a new generation of giant airplanes. I can't find a corresponding title with that meaning with the Bob Woods page, but I guess it doesn't have to have appeared necessarily in "Future" / "Future Life". (We don't have the initial publications of Chaffee's artwork - depicting two to-be-developed airplanes - either; it's even possible that this is a first publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:47, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Geheimprojekt Venus ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have a problem with this pub {{P|370748|Geheimprojekt Venus}}. In the notes is a wrong parent title and the digest should have this copyright text:<br />
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„Abenteuer im Weltenraum“ – erscheint 14täglich im Alfons Semrau Verlag, Hamburg 4, Heiligengeistfeld, Hochhaus 2. Fernruf 3120 76. Alle Rechte vorbehalten. Alleinauslieferung: Alfons Semrau Verlag, Hamburg 4. '''Printed in West-Germany 1958'''. Für unverlangt eingesandte Manuskripte wird keine Gewähr übernommen. Rücksendung nur gegen Rückporto. Gesamtherstellung: Nordland-Druck GmbH., Lüneburg.<br />
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Please take a look. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:31, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rencontre avec Ovaron ==<br />
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Hi Christian. Concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5286359 this edit] that made the publication show up on the "Title Dates after Publication Dates" cleanup report. I asked Linguist to check, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#Rencontre_avec_Ovaron here]. First, you should not have changed the date without asking/informing the primary verifier. Second, his answer makes it clear that your "correction" was wrong. Do we need another cleanup report? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:10, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
Ps, see also the cleanup report [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:24, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Perry_Rhodan_franz%C3%B6sisch#Band_188_.E2.80.93_215 Perrypedia] has the date as March, this is why I changed the date. (I planned to order a copy, but didn't do that before the beginning of my holidays - I now have). I do assume that this source is more dependable than taking the date of printing. I'll bring this to Linguist's attention. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
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== Die Schwerter von Zinjaban ==<br />
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Did I err in approving the author change, I was just about to change the pub and write a note to the verifier. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:02, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, already answered on your talk page. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:05, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Any thoughts why the English language editions credit both, but not the German? (Amazon Look inside available on UK edition). 09:10, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Likely because Catherine Crook de Camp was at the time almost unknown to German readers, and because all other titles in the series were published as by Lyon Sprague alone. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:17, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for your help, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:18, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Golem 100 ==<br />
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Hello Christian. Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?414786 this] is not Oliviero Berni as the publication credits but Terry Oakes. The artwork is depicted in Steven Eisler's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1769794 The Alien Worlds] and credited to Oakes in the Acknowledgement on p.96 of that book. I'm going to make the change and note it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:47, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, do so, please. During the first half of the 1980s this publisher had real difficulties to give the right credits for the respective cover art. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:57, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I've made the changes and edited the notes. I pretty much had a feeling it was Terry Oakes. I just had to find the book it was illustrated in and check the credits. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:08, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Yeah: it ''could'' have been by Berni but is nevertheless somewhat different from his usual style. Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:26, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant title dates. Again and again ==<br />
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Was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325685 this edit] really necessary? As has been told to you a number of times, the date of a variant title should be that of the first appearance of the variant. In this case, interior art is not the same as cover art. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:07, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, it ''is'' exactly the same artwork (title & language) as the cover art, and it ''does'' look more strange that both works are dated differently. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:25, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Again Christian? Re-read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek/Archive4#Changing_dates_of_variant_art_titles this discussion] where in the end you promised to follow the consensus. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:31, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: I did. Dealt with: of course, the pre-dating to 1981 was correct. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:44, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: So nothing is changed. You still read only what you want to read. Explain to me why we have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?275 this cleanup report] exactly for this kind of error. I will not have the same discussion with you over and over again. You were wrong, and you still are wrong. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:31, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It would help if you do read the notes for a title. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:42, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I did. Again, interior art is not the same as cover art. The variant (interior art) must not have the date of the parent (coverart). And again, if you want to change the consensus, discuss it on the rules & standards page, do not impose your private rules on others. Remember the last time you were so stubborn cost you the moderator flag. Do you want to lose the self approver status too? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:52, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Sorry, but it appears you want to change the consensus: the note refers to the first known publication as interior art (there may have been a previous one, and even more contemporary publications). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:31, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: You're totally confusing now. Do you mean you forgot to add the interior art to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367225 this publication], or is there another 1981 pub not yet in the database or do you see an invisible 1981 pub under [this title]? Is it october or december? and where did you find (please, a link to that discussion) consensus to add an earlier date to a variant title? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:12, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: I do mean a separate publication not in the database: virtually all publishers issued regular catalogues of available & new (= soon to be published) titles, wherein the older titles usually just got listed but the new ones were prominently featured with their cover images; Heyne did publish those twice a year (in April and October), immediately predating their new Winter and new Summer program. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:12, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: So that's your new excuse? Didn't think about discussing the idea first did you? May I draw your attention to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Contents_never_included rules of acquisition] under advertising? I don't think such a catalog counts as a publication. If you want that, discuss it first.<br />
:::::::::: To recapitulate, first you change the date to december 1981 with no note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325685 this edit], and when I challenge the validity of that edit you change it to october 1981 with a cryptic note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326497 here] I.m.o. against the rules of acquisition. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:41, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::: They're quite obviously pieces of nonfiction that would have to be put into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42599 this series], though it's debatable if the publications are eligible (with the departments on sf taking about one seventh to one sixth): I do intend to use them as such, since they do provide information on publication history. But if you do like to change our rules of notation of first publications of titles when published within nongenre titles, please do open a discussion: there are masses of nongenre essays published within newspapers by above-the-threshold authors that would need a recalibration of notes and dates. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:59, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: Let me rephrase the question then. Do you want to use a publisher's advertisement of a publication to date a piece of interiorart when the rules state "No advertising of any kind is indexed". A simple yes or no please. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:13, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: Let me repeat my answer: those are pieces of nonfiction, not advertisements: there are some ads to be found inside, for example for the next (expected) bestselling book or featuring the works of a certain bestselling author (say, Colleen McCullough), but these works were also to be found inside the alphabetical listing, which was a listing of (soon-to-be) available book titles. (We are speaking of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalog catalogues], i. e. works of reference, also known as special types of nonfiction).<br />
::::::::::::: (Let me add that it's not okay to come up with nibbling at long-established series when the consequences don't serve one own's preferences.) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:30, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I give up on you. You can't even answer a simple yes or no question. You're incapable of admitting you're wrong in anything (see your first answer "it ''does'' look more strange that both works are dated differently" is totally against the consensus). I won't bother you anymore with things like this and take it directly to the community. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:19, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Let me remark that you would just have needed to read the answer directly before your question and you wouldn't had have to ask.<br />
: 'You're incapable of admitting you're wrong in anything': it does seem there is also somebody else writing here in this thread ;-). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:48, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Amok ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Boskar Boskar] has confirmed that Atelier Ingrid Schütz is only credited with cover design. Do you have additional information that caused you to credit cover art on the three unverified publications? Let me know if you prefer to make the changes or I will do it. 08:11, 29 May 2022 (EDT). This was me. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:48, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Who's writing this (please don't forget to sign your comments / questions) and what publications are you referring to? If this has to do with the latest additions to 'Richard Bachman' books published by Heyne: I have seen the credits with printings other than those already in the database. If you prefer I'll do a transient verification for those and fill in the missing notes later when I can lay my hands on the publicatiuons again. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:24, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ryan North's How to Invent Everything - nonfiction vs novel ==<br />
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Hi, I see you changed this title from non-fiction to novel a couple of years ago [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4777827]. I've just finished reading this, and whilst I don't think it's 100% unambiguous, I'd definitely consider it to be non-fiction rather than a novel. The time-travel aspect is just a framing conceit for the non-fiction elements that comprise the core content - although without that framing, I guess this book would be ineligible for inclusion here, so it's not irrelevant.<br />
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The closest thing I could think of to try to find a precedent for how to characterise this was in-universe fact books such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?31475 The Dune Encyclopedia], and I see that is also classed as non-fiction.<br />
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Also, I think you added the synopsis for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2601713 the title record]? At least for the British edition, that description isn't quite right - it's presented as a manufacturer's manual for a time machine to cover the event the time machine breaks down in the past, and the foreword implies it was written by an alternate-timeline version of the author working in the position of technical writer, not as a stranded time traveller.<br />
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Are you OK if I change the title type and synopsis accordingly? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 10:24, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My changes were based on the three German reviews, but mainly on the one by Kathrin Passig & Aleks Scholz, which was the most extensive one (I haven't read the book itself). <br />
: But if there's a framing story please do consider it being a novel: we have other titles judged for inclusion just on the framing (for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?874803 this one], which has Death as telling the otherwise non-speculative story). But in the end: please change to your insight. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:35, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. I have switched the types of the titles and pubs, and expanded the title synopsis and note to (hopefully) explain why the book is categorized as it is. Something I should have been clearer on in my comment above, is that there aren't any characters, plot or other elements that (conventionally) are part of a story, hence me wanting to classify it as non-fic.<br />
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:: Cheers [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 16:34, 8 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Okay. It's just that I understand the rules (and the meaning) for non-fiction to be non-fictional. We have masses of texts that also don't have any of those elements, but are classified (rightly so) as fiction; here are some examples: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?845711 Space Mail] (an anthology of fictional letters), synopsises & fictional biographies, and the likely most extreme, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57594 The Index], for which the title describes the form exactly, but is nonetheless a piece of fiction. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:52, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Caldwell ==<br />
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/TM-Caldwell/e/B00T0RFEG4/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_11; I suspected these much later stories were by a different Caldwell, and they were; this Caldwell's a woman. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:12, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I'll adapt accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:42, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Falcons of Narabedla and the self-approver status ==<br />
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Please see the outcome of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Falcons_of_Narabedla Falcons of Narabedla discussion on the Community portal]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:48, 14 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Falken von Narabedla / Die Späher ==<br />
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Please check the final sentence of Die Falken von Narabedla in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551087 Terra Nova 181] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?901149 Die Späher]. Are they a translation of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1946 1957 Other Worlds version] or the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040549 1964 expanded version]. The notes of both publication state ©1964, so the second is most likely. The final sentence of both versions are in the respective notefields. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:59, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for the idea, but I asked Mavmaramis to have a go at an independent word count estimate, which will help to determine the length of the later version. If both versions turn out to be novellas it has to be discussed if they shouldn't be merged anyway. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:14, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Christian, if you want to keep frustrating things, I'll just assume they are both the 1964 expanded edition, confirmed in your pub notes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:40, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hello Willem! The last sentence of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551087 Terra Nova 181] is ''Ich holte tief Atem und legte meinen Arm um Cynaras Schultern. Dann rief ich Adric, auf das er das Glück mit mir teile.'' and translated ''I drew a deep breath and put my arm around Cynara's shoulders. Then I called Adric to share the happiness with me.'' Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 17:56, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Yes, Rudolf's right and the ending for the version in "Die Späher" also fits the 1964 version. It's just that it still seems to be a novella, see my comments at the Community Portal and at Mavmaramis'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:09, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks. I'll move both to the 1964 edition. For you Christian, it is established that the two versions are very different. See the notes from Ahasuerus. Even if the expanded edition were a novella, the two should never be merged. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:58, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Okay, maybe i thought in the beginning that the texts were (almost) identical. Sorry for that. I also tend to think that we shouldn't have two texts with the same title type that tell the same story. We have established that for many novels, I think, in adding notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:40, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== FYI ==<br />
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Hello Christian! We disagree about this title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?382535 DAS GROSSE SPIEL] and I don't fancy an edit war. Therefore I‘ll introduce our difference in the Rules and Standards portal and open for discussion. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 05:11, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, Rudolf! I'll reply there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Puppe Maggie Moneyeyes ==<br />
I'm just clearing my own DB and linking to ISFDB. I got a problem with Chapter 2<br><br />
"13 • Vorwort: Wie Science Fiction mich vor einem Verbrecherleben bewahrte • essay by Harlan Ellison (trans. of Foreword: How Science Fiction Saved Me from a Life of Crime 1967)",<br><br />
Author Harlan Ellison; Nevertheless, at the end of the chapter it is signed by<br>Ellison Wonderland<br>Hollywood, California<br>September 1966<br><br />
I'm aware of the book/title "Ellison Wonderland", and I'aware of the fact, that Harlan writes about himself.<br><br />
Should "Ellison Wonderland" beeing introduced as a pseudonym of Harlan Ellison?<br />
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: Hi! I don't think so, the author for collections is typically only stated on the spine, the cover and the title page, and we use the credit on the title page for all of the contents written by the respective author. Plus: "Ellison Wonderland" seems to me more likely to be the name of a place, like "Graceland" was the name Elvis Presley had chosen for his mansion. Hope that helps. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:33, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== To Say Nothing of the Dog duplicate records ==<br />
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Please see [[User_talk:Willem_H.#To_Say_Nothing_of_the_Dog_duplicate_records|this conversation]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:54, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the hint, I have unverified mine and will delete it: it was in fact verified later than the other one (on 2011-05-05). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:30, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?907277 ==<br />
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You dropped "Editor: Stefan Bauer." from the notes in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?907277 this one]. Was that on purpose or did it go by mistake while clearing the previous line? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:56, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:This was on purpose, it was a relic from the first edition and is not stated within the new one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:08, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: OK then :) A moderator note mentioning that is always helpful when this happens - otherwise you may be getting a lot of notes making sure that a line was not removed by mistake. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:22, 1 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes, notes, notes ==<br />
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Hello again :) <br />
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Can you please at least add a note on the source when adding new publications such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?908987 this one] - even if you are not adding the complete set of notes yet. I know you will get back to it BUT a new editor will see that and assume no notes on non-verified new publications is ok and life can get a bit tricky sometimes so these may stay like that for a long time. I approved the ones on the board but... please remember to add just a rudimentary note on the sources (even if it ends up being a throwaway later when you expand) or verify on addition. Thanks for the understanding! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:30, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do (at least add something rudimaentary): In this case I wasn't sure if there's a 'Report' in it or not, so I decided to add the complete notes upon the dawning of knowledge. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:15, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Figured that there is something like that happening. But at the very least "data from source" or "issue added based on advertisement in issue X" or something like that is helpful. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:18, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Photos and Interiorart ==<br />
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Hello Christian! I have a query. You want to add two photos in this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?384702 Die Guerillas von Terrania] as new regular titles and labeled them as interiorart. I don't remember that photos are classified as interiorart. Where did you found this rule? Thanks in advance for your assistance. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:54, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Well, I've seen plenty of them added lately (for example for The New York Times / [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?899369 The New York Times Book Review] (which isn't even a genre magazine), so I do think it's okay to add them for genre publications. <br />
: Like the inclusion of excerpts meant as ads for upcoming novels (which weren't regularly included when we began), this policy also seems to have changed over time. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:53, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for pointing out that it has already been accepted. Now, I' m surprised, despite the fact that the guidelines don't specify it that way. It states that photographs of authors are not included. If so, the policy need to be rewritten. I'll put this up for discussion. Thanks again for your reference. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:05, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::It seems that according to the previous rules, the PV alone can decide if he labels photographs as interiorart. Sorry for the belate approve.Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:17, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: No problem at all, Rudolf! I'd also wish that the rules would be more explicit for photos. I decided to include them in this case since they were taken by Hubert Haensel, an above-the -threshold author. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:24, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Titanic Magazine ==<br />
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I question [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5383512 this submission] changing the date of the rollup from 2022-00-00. The year only date is standard practice. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:27, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: It doesn't seem to be: this only seems to be standard practice if there's only one editorial credit for a given year, otherwise it's meaningful to achieve a chronological order to have the dates ordered, for example by month. Please take a look at these examples, found without major effort: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?136819 MFSF], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1112309 ditto], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?993041 Omni], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2853007 Perry Rhodan]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:38, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Andreas Eschbach Essay ==<br />
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Greetings Stonecreek, would you mind checking to see if these two are the same? [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843203] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3068105] Tnaks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:55, 13 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hello, John! No, they aren't; the first takes the author's contributions to the Perry Rhodan franchise into its focus, the second gives an overview of Eschbach's role in German sf. I'll add a note to the second one. Thanks for the hint to the seeming doublette. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:44, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Hop Aboard Kids, We're Going to 1984: Seven Children's Books and Illustration, Art, or Cosmic Kitsch? Six SF Art Books ==<br />
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{{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} contains {{T|3068541|Hop Aboard Kids, We're Going to 1984: Seven Children's Books}} and {{T|3068542|Illustration, Art, or Cosmic Kitsch? Six SF Art Books}}. It states both of these originally appeared in {{P|293929|Foundation, #10 June 1976}}. There is no such essays listed in that pub. However, there are seven Peter Nicholls book reviews on page 82 and six Peter Nicholls art book reviews on pages 114-119. I am assuming these are what are being referenced. Do either of these review groupings have a overall title in Foundation, #10? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:04, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:No, it just lists the books reviewed at its heading. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:45, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Okay, I will make the appropriate notes. Thanks for checking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Dave Langford, who put {{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} together, has sent me an email about this issue. Here is what he says:<br />
:::* Foundation in that era added overall titles to reviews and groups of reviews: the coverage of the seven children's books and the six sf art books each formed a continuous block of text with the lower-case headings "hop aboard kids, we're going to 1984" and "illustration, art or cosmic kitsch?" However, these titles don't appear in the Foundation contents list.<br />
::: Does this match what's in your copy? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:04, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: David Langford is right: it'd pay to actually take a look into the issue. This practice only was conducted in the issues of 'Foundation' that were edited by Nicholls (and I think he wrote in one of the editorials that they were added by him, and not by the review editor). IMO they don't make the reviews into essays: they otherwise don't differ from reviews in earlier & later issues and are all part of the respecive reviews sections. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:45, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publisher's Pantheons & Consumer's Guide to Recent Writing on SF ==<br />
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{{P|293930|Foundation, #11 and 12}} has {{T|1540526|Publisher's Pantheons}} on page 101 and {{T|1541948|Consumer's Guide to Recent Writing on SF}} on page 168. {{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} reprints these respectively as Publishers' and Consumers'. Before I variant, I wanted to check these were not database errors. Would you mind double checking? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:19, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: They were indeed entered erroneously. It'd be right to merge those two (that is, four) titles. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:58, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Merged. Thanks! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Perry Rhodan Sonderband'' change submission ==<br />
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Hi. This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5415109 submission] had a title it used disappear, so I cannot do anything with it and you will have to redo it. I do not remember what is accessible after a hard reject, so I left it there for now. When you are done referring to it, if you cannot cancel it yourself let me know and I will do the hard reject. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 18:21, 9 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the info, Marty! (But I think this shouldn't have happened - importing into and editing a publication are independent from one another, or so I thought: is this perhaps a new bug?). I'll edit anew. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 03:38, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I think the update must have changed something about one of the content records, perhaps a page number, and the title associated with that record got deleted (most likely merged) after your edit was submitted. Whatever that submission was must have been approved first. I do not know of a way for me to tell what happened. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:07, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1118774 this title] was merged, maybe this was the cause? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:31, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperium ==<br />
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Christian, I have the following three submissions on hold. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416084 Second], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416086 Third], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416089 Fourth] printings of Imperium. The publication date for the second printing as stated in the notes reads "The month of publication was chosen to put this printing after the first one". The other two have similar notes. I'm not familiar with this practice. It appears to contract our standards, both in general and specifically with the Date: field. A quick [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_note&O_1=contains&TERM_1=month+of+publication+was+chosen&C=AND&USE_2=pub_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication search] shows that this is not the first time you have used this methodology. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:29, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Excuse me for interrupting but I am familiar with this situation. I have come across many pub records where the notes state that Month has been set arbitrarily in order to sort multiple printings in the same year. So, very early in my editing career, I tried to do the same thing... and Annie told me off (very nicely)! Apparently, this practice has happened in the past but it is no longer tolerated. You can see the discussion here: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:IanPercival#Foundation_and_Empire_.2F_Second_Foundation Part 1] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Teallach#Dating_and_all_that Part 2]. Unfortunately, we are left with a legacy issue of all the historic cases. You will find a lot more if you run an advanced search on publication where the Notes field contains both the words "month" and "arbitrary". [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:06, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: What would be better or right to do? We know that a later printing can't have appeared before an earlier one. Would we set all later printings of one year to the date of the first? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:16, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::I know you agree we have an obligation to ensure the record accurately reflects the underlying publication. When information is obtained from a secondary source, we document the source. Your submissions, particularly 'Perry Rhodan' are among the best I've seen. What you are doing here with the date field is turning it into nothing more than a sort field. Not only does it distort the underlying publication, but it also undermines confidence in the field across the entire database. Where does that leave us. We definitely do not set the date to the first printing. The help section is clear. If we can find a recognized secondary source, partial or full, we use that. Without such, we are forced to use 'unknown'. I know you find this distasteful. If further information surfaces, the record can be edited. I remember an extensive discussion regarding implementation of sort field(s). Hopefully this can be done at some point. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:09, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Okay! Would you please approve of the submissions and either let me correct the dating (or, if you prefer correct it)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:14, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Approved, I'll approve the date changes as soon as they hit the queue. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:23, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks! Submitted. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: I thought we were going with 'unknown'. Maybe I'm missing something, how do we know the subsequent printings were released in 2012? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:48, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Approved. I went brain dead for a minute. Ignore the previous sentance. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:05, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Will you commit to correcting all the publications where you have used an arbitrary date and abandoning this practice? If so, I will support your request. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:01, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #3186: Alraska ==<br />
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Christian, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416182 this submission]. In light of your note, I think crediting 'Swen Papenbrock (in error)' and then varianting to 'Arndt Drechsler' would be more accurate. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:46, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, that would be even better. I'll cancel and resubmit. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:17, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I saw [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5423803 this edit]. Did you decide not to change the cover art credit as suggested or did you want me to do it? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:06, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Blanking spammers' Talk pages ==<br />
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I appreciate what you are trying to do with spammers' Talk pages, but it makes it more time-consuming for moderators to get to the original text, confirm that it's spam, delete the page and block the spammer. Please don't do it going forward. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, just thought that sometimes the text may be not recognized and gets a base in our wiki. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kiepenheuer & Witsch ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Saying "Now located in" is not a very useful thing - what happens 3 years down the road when they had moved but noone updated the entry? Not everyone knows to look at the History and try to figure out when that was valid (and not-logged people cannot even look at that). Instead use something like "As of September 2022" or whatever date you know they were there - that way even if they move, the entry is still correct. :) I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6131 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:04, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Okay, that's even better, though this is one of the publishers I keep an eye on: any change of place will be noted. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes (again) ==<br />
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Hello again, <br />
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I assume that for edits such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5426681 this one], you are planning to import the newly created parents into a book somewhere OR add notes into the originals which were not imported (for a date provenance). That should have been in the moderator notes (or even in the proper notes on the original) so that someone looking at the title before they get imported/noted, can trace why they have these dates... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:58, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Elephant ==<br />
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I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5426761 this one] too fast so I deleted it. The author name for this book is not Sławomir Mrożek but Slawomir Mrozek (unlike the accented characters, these two names actually can coexist on the server so these are two separate names in the DB). I deleted the book so you need to redo that one - but with the correct name for the author and all his stories. And yes, it is a pain with the Polish authors who have ł and ż and their names but we catalog based on the books, not based on how we wish the English publishing industry had printed the name, right? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:12, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: And while I am around - we have an <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> template for cases where you want to say "More contents to be added!". I replaced it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?916136 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:15, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I do think we actually don't know what version of name is stated on the title page, OCLC and the cover point towards Slawomir Mrozek, the reprint towards Sławomir Mrożek. But maybe it is better to wait for someone to take actually a look into the publication: it would be somewhat too tedious to enter all the titles possibly in vain. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:32, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Let me add that this addition was initialized by the SFE3 entry, which notes no distinction; do you think that this source may not be dependaple in that regard? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:11, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Unless you have a source contradicting the cover, I’d use what is on the cover for these and note that in the notes. Older English books are notorious for dropping any non-standard characters and I highly doubt that they used a different versions on the cover and on the title page. Online sources tend to overlook these and consider the age of the books as an explanation - we record as used on the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:19, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Unintentional deletion ==<br />
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Hello Christian! I have completely unintentionally deleted a comment for your request. I was not familiar with this "rollback" and I did not know what it evokes. Fortunately Ahasuerus noticed it and corrected it. So please accept my apology. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 11:36, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure, no problem! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:32, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Zyklus series and Series with Duplicate Numbers ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Quite a lot of the Zyklus series had acquired repeated numbers based on your updates in the last months. The DB is not designed for that so we have a report to look for these so they can be corrected. Can you please look at the report [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?17 here] and clear these? If you would like to propose a change in the rules/conventions/practices which will allow these to stand as they are, please head to R&S and so on :) If you cannot see the report, let me know and I will post the list here. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:09, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Annie, can you please give an example, because 'Only moderators can access the specified cleanup report'? I do suspect that titles like 'Perry Rhodan (1. Aufl.) - 1984' as by uncredited are meant, which appears six times, each time varianted to a different parent title (!?) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:33, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Looking more closely, it's more likely that titles like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1800838 Vorstoß nach Arkon] vs. the same-numbered (and in this case same-titled) [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1463714 Vorstoß nach Arkon] cause the problem (!?)<br />
:: It is the latter case - two titles with the same number in the same series. This is not a common scenario - the only other case we have that in the DB is a short story/interior art mixed series and I already pinged the editor who worked on it about it. And as usual, if this is not used that way in the DB, there may be underlying software issues when it is done (and having two separate different texts makes the series impossible to order properly. <br />
:: I wondered if the report is moderator only. Here is the complete list (series first, number that is repeated second, ignore the leading number (it is the report line):<br />
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231 PR Zyklus 18: Chronofossilien — Vironauten 1271.1<br />
232 PR Zyklus 18: Chronofossilien — Vironauten 1216.1<br />
233 PR Zyklus 15: Die Kosmischen Burgen 938.1<br />
234 PR Zyklus 16: Die Kosmische Hanse 1053.1<br />
235 PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel 214.1<br />
236 PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel 224.9<br />
237 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 184.1<br />
238 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 189.1<br />
239 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 167.1<br />
240 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 199.1<br />
241 PR Zyklus 3: Die Posbis 111.1<br />
242 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 77.1<br />
243 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 92.1<br />
244 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 56.1<br />
245 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 71.1<br />
246 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 69.1<br />
247 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 84.1<br />
248 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 86.1<br />
249 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 6.1<br />
250 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 11.1<br />
251 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 19.1<br />
252 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 30.1<br />
253 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 39.1<br />
254 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 8.1<br />
255 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 26.1<br />
256 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 2.1<br />
257 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 33.1<br />
258 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 4.1<br />
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:: Because they are all .1 I wonder if you were trying to do something somewhat creative but dumping them at the same number is not a good idea IMO. sorry for the formatting - these read better in edit mode - on my phone and formatting is hard from it. Any help you can provide clearing these will be very welcome :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:14, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, for the doubled numbers (like the above #39.1 'Vorstoß nach Arkon'): these titles all end at the same point in the respective internal chronology, they only were adapted in different ways. That's why I took to this solution. Christan [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:12, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: But the DB is not really designed to allow that, neither is that a practice we use and this is not the only series with books running in parallel… so they need to get untangled and get different numbers. Using the publication order to order them inside of the decimals is the usual solution with notes that the stories take place at the same time. Plus you may know why you did that but no one else looking at the series would know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:49, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::: Okay! On re-thinking this issue most of the titles will have the respective ending of the final novella anyway (for 39.1 the ending of 39), though some will have some changed or added ending. The idea was just to sort out the original novellas from their adaptations. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:04, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::: A subseries or set of a them maybe? We have a few other series where the original books were reworked/changed enough to require new title records and in these cases we make a subseries, add notes in the main series and in the subseries explaining the relationship (when known) and whatever number schemes there are. That way the series are also a lot more readable on the screen. Just throwing another idea your way while you are thinking on the best way to organize these. In all cases, write some notes on the series level explaining the special numbering - you know why you wanted to split them and why they belong where they belong, someone finding our records from internet who is not well versed at the Zyklus practices will get lost. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:46, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: I've thought about that, too. But since some the novellas were just translated, and the same ones were incorporated into fix-ups this would also lead to a (greater) mess. <br />
::::::: And for the French titles: they would then end up in different series (first they presented translations of the novellas, organized either in anthologies or collections; then changed to translations of the fix-ups). <br />
::::::: With more than 3,000 original novellas published so far in an ongoing chronology that was and is augmented with many additional tales, anyone hoping for readability or a fast grasping will be lost anyway, I think. But I'll add an explanatory note to the series; thanks for the idea. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:30, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: Series in ISFDB are flat so sometimes you need to make compromises and take into account how they are implemented and how they look on a screen when someone looks at them. This would be solvable a lot easier if a book can belong to two or more series :) As they cannot, we do the best we can with what we have. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:35, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Hochzeit in Atomweiler [8] ==<br />
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Can you please add an author and a language to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3085505 this poor title]? No idea how you managed to leave it with no author but it somehow happened. I suspect it is Daniel Mróz but as you are around and it is a verified book, I prefer to check. :) It probably also need a page number (or alternatively it needs ejecting from the publication and deletion). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:17, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Must have been a systems hiccup since titles with no author are not allowed when submitting (and I'm sure I also added the page). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:42, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It's ''very'' ominous that there's no record of my latest update when I added the additional pieces of art last week in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?410909 the pub. edit history]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Actually, that missing submission in the history explains what happened: the submission errored out midway through its run: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5432749 submission]. It happens occasionally (rarely but happens) and yes, that would produce a weird result. Check anything after that image though - as it seems it errored on it, anything after that may not have made it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:01, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Botschafter ==<br />
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What is the source for the date of the parent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5425727 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:24, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: A note on first publications in "Zabawa: Satire in lustloser Zeit". Sorry that the Polish chapbook was dated erroneously to 1981: there's no publication of it to be found at WordCat. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and note added. Please make sure that ALL titles which have no publications attached confirming the date (and are not parents existing just to move the title to the canonical author) have notes explaining their dates' (and if needed - their titles') provenance. You already did the research if you are setting the date, just document it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:01, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver flag set on the account ==<br />
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As per the outcome of the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Applying_for_self-moderating Community Portal discussion], the self-approver flag has been set on your account. Please use it wisely :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:05, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do. And more careful than before, too! Chrstian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 30 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== I Am Alive and You Are Dead ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/iamaliveyouarede0000carr; Recently uploaded to Archive, notes here say date source unknown but it says the date on the copyright page, I added link and changed 01 to 00 in date, you may want to add info to notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:55, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Zurück in die Steinzeit ==<br />
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The cover artist of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?491046 this] is not Boris Vallejo, but Tony Roberts, see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?276629 Survivor]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 17:48, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I ''was'' in doubt that Vallejo was the artist: there was no original English parent to be found. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:58, 15 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cartoon: Rüsselmops, der Außerirdische (Perry Rhodan Report Nr. 198) ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5443067 this edit] which impacts your verified pubs. Are these the same? Or should the second one actually be a different number? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:54, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Please reject, the later one should in fact bear the number of Report #199. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:10, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Rejected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:38, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ping-Pong mutations ==<br />
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Please stop [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?289 f#@$%ing around] or I'll make a request to revoke your self-approval rights. This is my last and final warning, I have clearly explained why you can't have it your way.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 16:24, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: I don't know if you're aware of this, but since 2020 someone's uploaded many of these books, https://archive.org/search.php?query=scheer+darlton&sort=-addeddate, including the 1 in question, which I've added a link to in a pending edit. If I may give you some advice, after that lengthy argument recently about the page count of some old M.Z. Bradley work, Falcons of ?, and now this, there are clearly several people here who have a long-standing grudge against you, and after having several strikes already they would love to prevent you from ever being a self-moderator again. There are countless things to be done here, even after more than 15 years of regular folks being allowed to edit (as my 37,000 edits in less than 2 years can attest to), so if somebody says something should be a certain way, just let it go and move on to something else. The alternative is losing your self-mod status and having to wait endlessly for a mod to get around to approving your edits, which has been getting much worse lately. Believe me, you don't want that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:12, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Please do make a request, Dirk, if you think it's up to a moderator's qualification to change verified publications without requesting (or even an information of) the verifier; this is quite below our standard, and you seem have taken to this habit lately. If you'd have asked, you would have been informed that the definition as CHAPBOOK is perfectly okay in light of [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive48#New_cleanup_report_-_Cleanup_report_to_find_CHAPBOOKs_with_multiple_fiction_titles this discussion]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:45, 7 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Okay, posted the problems you have at the moderator noticeboard. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:23, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: @Username: these additions/transformations were done in joined accordance, see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#French_Perry_Rhodan here] and the contemporary discussions: initially, the volumes were entered as novels, whereas they (from a certain point in time on and up to #199 of the French incarnation) contained translations of the original novellas, and thus need to be transformed accordingly. (This is one of the many things to do you mention). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:20, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Posting and the Watchlists and histories ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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A small request: when editing your posts, please leave the title of the post in the "Summary:" field under the post. Look at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard&curid=9221&action=history this history]. See how ALL updates (minor or not) but yours have the post name in front of them? When you delete that part when you are writing your own summary in that field, someone needs to go through comparisons to see what post you had edited and chase down the change making working through the board with multiple changes almost impossible to deal with (and almost ensuring that your edits may be lost if there are a lot of traffic - if someone does not have a reason to, they won't reread a post they do not realize has a new/changed message. So can you please leave the title of the post in the summary at all times? Thanks! 13:44, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, will do so in the future. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:51, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mitkey Astromouse ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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If [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1562 this] is an adaptation for young readers, then it is not the same story and needs to be unvarianted and to be left on its own and connected only via the notes. We connect translations, we do not connect adaptations which change the story drastically. Let me know if your note is incorrect thus making it a proper variant. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:46, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I'd say the adaptational part is only in the use of a somewhat less 'strong' language (more fit for children), and the story itself is represented completely. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:48, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Then it cannot be juvenile if the original is not. If if is adapted for children, it cannot be a variant. If it is a translation, it cannot be juvenile. You decide based on the text. If it is specifically adapted for children, I would never call it a variant personally. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:04, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: I haven't been aware that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5377091 an editor] changed it to juvenile, I'll change it back. <br />
:::: On translations vs. variant titles: there do exist translations that change the meaning of sentences, chapters or whole works into something different than the author had written. In this case I'd think there's not enough to validate a not-varianting. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:18, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #209: Im Banne der Scheintöter ==<br />
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Both Dirk Geiling's titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?921625 here] should be Interior art I suspect? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:48, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Of course! Corrected, thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Das Hexenschiff - dating issues again ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Can you please explain where did you get [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5273339 this date] from? When the date of a title is different from its first publication we have on the list, we either need a note explaining the provenance of the date OR that very first edition to be added. Same question for its parent and the chapbook it is in. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:53, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Same question for the dates [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?703780 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:55, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?3043856 Deadwood — Stadt der Särge], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040487 Der Jetset-Dämon], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3008984 Die Grabräuber], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3016229 Die Kreuzweg-Legende], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3038691 Die Vampir-Polizei], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3029975 Drei Gräber bis Atlantis], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3000479 Dämonenfalle Rom], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3034865 Geisterdämmerung], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040487 Der Jetset-Dämon] and all their associated titles (short stories, covers and chapbooks and the parents where they exist). Unless you are adding the older version of the book(s) immediately, writing notes when you change the dates are mandatory. Some of these had been changed in March and had been just sitting unsupported for 8 months... Can you please go and fix these? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:00, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And I found more... Can you see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?275 this report]? If you can, please get all the titles where you got weird dates on and fix them - either add the missing edition or add notes on every title where the date does not match the publications we have. If you cannot see the report, I will be happy to pull a complete list (in addition to the ones already listed above). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:03, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: All these associated titles were published initially in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1533 this series] and should have been dated accordingly upon entering the respective later publications (which I didn't do). But for the sake of it, I'll work through the list. Thanks for bringing this up. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:44, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: That’s great that you know where the dates come from but someone else finding them won’t know what they are looking at and if someone is working this report, they may not be nice enough to come ask you and instead will just reset the dates to what the publications show this losing your work and some of the data. As a basic rule, unless you are adding the first editions as well, each title needs notes explaining the date’s provenance. That’s not “good to have” - it is a “must have”. Thanks for working on them. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:02, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Stanislaw-Lem-Bibliographie ==<br />
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Hi Christian, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3097650 this title] appears on the cleanup report for 'Variant Title Dates Before Canonical Title Dates'. I.m.o. the earlier version should be the parent, not the variant. Was this on purpose? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 04:18, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes. I did this because the later one was more complete (adding new and formerly missed out publications & titles), and also because Klaus Staemmler was involved in the later one (and he seems to have added much of his knowledge). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:48, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks. Ignored, and thus removed from the report. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 11:09, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Can Such Things Be? ==<br />
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Hi. Please, if you have time, to approve [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5493926 this submission] (5493926). It's a lot of work. Many thanks. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] ([[User talk:Terraflorin|talk]]) 02:20, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry! I only am a self-approver right now; I'll post your request at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JLaTondre#A_request_of_approval JLaTondre's talk page]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:42, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::Edit has been approved. Florin, please add the variants to the original works. As the original was not all speculative fiction, if you find any contents that do not belong, they should be removed and deleted. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Only the fantastic stories were translated in this book. Once again, many thanks. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] ([[User talk:Terraflorin|talk]]) 14:32, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23795; Archive.org copy, https://archive.org/details/newworlds00garn, is 223 pages, not 219, in case you can check your copy and change if needed. I added a link in an edit to their copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:37, 29 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Prager Ghettosagen ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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When you have a chance, can you see if you can find more about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?923958 this book] in German sources - cover, format (hardcover or paperback) and the actual year or an explanation of the discrepancy as the two sources have different values). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:38, 1 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry, nothing really dependable to be found. A hardcover publication seems to be the most likely one, though, and the Czech source is displayed courtesy of Charles University in Prague, and is properly sourced, so 1896 seems to be the year. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:55, 1 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Yeah, I figured 1896 was the more likely and I lean towards hc as well but as I am not very well versed in German-language Prague books from the end of the 19th century, I figured I should come and ask to see if you can find something else. The Czech sources don't have much more (besides confirming the year actually). Thanks for checking! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:07, 1 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Einige werden überleben ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I've credited the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346875 Einige werden überleben] to Sanjulian and noted the original appearance, where it was identified as his work. Hubert [[User:Peregrin|Peregrin]] ([[User talk:Peregrin|talk]]) 11:52, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you! One more riddle of this sometimes improperly credited covers solved! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:01, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== World Cup Anthologies ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/agonyecstasyneww0000unse; Excellent work on A Book of Two Halves. Royle edited another anthology about football (soccer); 1 story is on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2382281. Other genre authors are in the contents; judging by the intro it sounds like at least a couple of the stories are futuristic, although there's also some non-fiction in this one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:02, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! I'll see if I can get hold of a copy of that one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:20, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::It's on Archive.org at the link I provided. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: I've seen that, but in this case I prefer to have a copy for reading (and hopefully enjoying). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:27, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: You had an actual print copy of Two Halves already or you bought one? Also, the archived copy of Agony is missing title page and copyright page and I don't see anywhere online that shows them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:58, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::: I bought one: the line-up of authors got me interested (and it seems that Nicholas Royle is even better as editor than as author). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:41, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Treffpunkt Knossos ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514044 this submission] that impacts your verified pub. Should the change (Baranek to Beranek) be accepted? If so, the publication record also needs to be updated. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:58, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, please: I'll update the pub. record accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:03, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== In Laurins Blick: Das Buch deutscher Phantasten ==<br />
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Christian, I added the contents to the existing hc record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?485933 here] and created the pb record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929721 here]. If you have time, will you look up the original publication dates for any new titles. Clearly it can't be 1982 since many of the authors died long before. Thanks for the help. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:58, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:You're right, this is a reprint anthology; some of the titles enclosed may have attributed with new titles, though. But I'll see what I can find out. Thanks for the link, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:02, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Correction: the last three pieces (by Franke, Frischmuth & Ende) seem to be original to this antholgy. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:12, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Die Unterdrückten ==<br />
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Cover art credit for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410907 this] is wrong. It isn't Alan Daniels but Tim WHite. I have had confirmation from Tim's daughter who stated "Yes it is one of Tim's" --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:03, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you very much! That's good to know. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:28, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick's Electric Dreams: Volume One ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'm looking at this set of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2275857 titles]. You and I are the only verifiers extant - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?639476 yours here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930999 mine here]. For mine, I've entered the book title (as on the title page), and all the introductions as they appear at the head of each essay.<br />
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Could you check yours to see if yours are the same?<br />
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I've put a call for info on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Philip_K._Dick.27s_Electric_Dreams%3A_Volume_One_-_info_wanted Help Desk] in case anyone has a copy of the unverified pubs. That said, and if no further information is forthcoming, would you as a Moderator have any objections to me changing the titling on the unverified pubs?<br />
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If you agree that that is all correct, I'll make all the changes necessary and post you the results back here. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:10, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, please proceed. You don't have to post the results, though, I'll take a look when the publicazion has been changed. Thanks in advance, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:41, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that :) I'll wait a bit to see if there're any responses on the Help desk. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:47, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nova, #31 ==<br />
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Hello Christian, in {{P|877392|this pub}} the page count doesn't fit.<br />
* The last numbered page is p. 326 -> ok<br />
* followed by a page with an uncredited photo portrait of Helmut Wenske -> p. 327<br />
* one page with a small ad for the publisher -> p. 328<br />
* the inside backcover featuring an ad -> p. 329 or not counted<br />
* page 331 (the inside back cover) -> it should p. 329 or not counted<br />
* Total page count 332 -> I think p. 328 without covers and inside covers<br />
Please take a look. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] ([[User talk:Henna|talk]]) 15:33, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Chiming in with the relevant help page: Magazines page rules are different. :) You count ALL pages PLUS the 4 covers - so if the magazine has 328 pages without the covers, it is recorded as 332. See [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Pages the help page]: "For magazines, the rule is to use the actual page count - including the cover. For example, early issues of Fantastic Universe numbered the interior pages from 1 to 192, not counting the front or back covers. This would be entered into the ISFDB record as "196"." [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:47, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Hello Annie and Christian, strange rules. Good Night. [[User:Henna|Henna]] ([[User talk:Henna|talk]]) 18:37, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== German Science Fiction Times Nr. 118/19 ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I have managed to get my hands on the Feb/March edition and on p. 39 it states that (a) with the beginning of February 1971 Moewig has changed its day of publication from Wednesday to Friday and (b) that Perry Rhodan Nr. 500 would be published on 26 March 1971.<br />
This means that our theory of the 'missing week' occurring in 1972 is wrong. Instead Moewig must have changed its day of publication ''at least'' twice, i.e from Friday to Wednesday sometime in the late 1960s and the back to Friday in 1971. Actually this is very similar to what Pabel-Moewig did in December 2003, when the day switched from Tuesday (PR 2206 / 2 Dec 2003) to Friday (PR 2207 / 5 dec 2003).<br />
I am still looking for older editions of SFT to pinpoint the first change.<br />
What to do: My suggestion is that we <br />
* change the dates starting Feb 1971<br />
* this places PR 493 / TN 163 on 5 February<br />
* The preceding numbers, i.e. PR492 / TN 162 would be moved from Friday, 5 February to Wednesday, 3 February with corresponding notes.<br />
Do you concur? Anybody else that we should involve before going ahead?<br />
Best, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 05:13, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, that sounds absolutely reasonable. I don't know of anybody else as PV for this period of time (1971-1973). Let's go ahead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:23, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::You must now be swamped with changes... It's done, please do me a favour cross-check the series' notes - just in case I got lost in detail. Many thanks! Best, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 03:34, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thank '''you''' for doing this load of work, John! Will take a look into the notes, but on first glanve it looks well done. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:10, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Image ==<br />
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Hi Christian -<br />
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Could you please take a look at [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Clive Barker Author Photo|this discussion]. There has been a third edit to change the author image and I think we need to reach a consensus rather than continue to churn the image. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:27, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Glukhovsky - Metro — Die Trilogie ==<br />
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Hi Christian, there's no PV for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?747217 this pub] but you have edited it previously. There's a missing length for 'Das Ende der Straße'. Could you sort it please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:52, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I'm not entirely sure if it's a novelette or a novella, but the first is more likely, so I'll change it accordingly and insert a cautionary note. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:01, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for doing that. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 11:06, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Valentine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?25420; I just did a bunch of edits for books from that publisher, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5583283, ...5583285, ...5583289, and ...5583290, which should be approved sometime soon, and I suggest that the publisher should be changed to Fragments West / The Valentine Press like it says in the books (or at least the ones I saw). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: No problem with that. I'll do the change for the publication I have a copy of. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:37, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tinted edges in PR pubs ==<br />
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Hello Christian. I have just verified {{P|872615|this pub}}, and noticed the tinted edges. Have you ever come across others like it ? Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 10:54, 16 February 2023 (EST).<br />
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: Yes, a few have those. Shall I note that for the ones I verify/-ied? Maybe it was done for a certain period of time, I'll take a look. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:06, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: For now it does seem that this may have been a feature of this bunch of publications, #s 13-24 (though #29 may also count: either its edges were bleached by time or tinted with a very light yellow). I only have a few of those and will add more to the publications next week. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:51, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::OK, thanks. I noted it because from my point of view, it is rather exceptional in Fleuve Noir publications (but rather common in early Livre de Poche, for instance). [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:14, 17 February 2023 (EST).<br />
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== Queen of the Country Problem ==<br />
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I need a favor. This was rejected, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5583237, and there is absolutely no way that I'm entering all that info again. Prime Books has been one of the most vexing publishers I've done edits for, and in this case the copy of Goldberg's posthumous collection on Archive.org which I entered 2 years ago, when I didn't know very well what I was doing, was come across again recently by me and the above edit was made. I think I've done all I can do with this book, but the WorldCat verification by you seems to point to this, https://books.google.com/books?id=fkTx3mYODQAC, which looks the same on the back cover but has a different ISBN for God only knows what reason. There's some confusion with one of these ISBN linking up with a P.K. Dick book or something and I don't know what to say about that, but I think Prime just messed up as usual. So can you enter a new record cloning this book, entering the different ISBN, and moving your verification over to that so this mod can un-reject my edit? Thanks in advance. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:08, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I think your submission was rejected because of the change of the ISBN, right? This ISBN ''does'' fit the entry at WorldCat ''and'' it leads you to the Goldberg book at Amazon; whereas the other ISBN is connected to a PKD collection at WorldCat. Is the latter one stated anywhere in the Goldberg book? (But even if so, the other one likely has to be also in there, I think). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:22, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::The scan on Archive.org has the ISBN-13 on its copyright page that's in my rejected edit while its back cover barcode has an ISBN-10, 0-8095-5636-7, and the ISBN-13 below that. Confusion sets in because as can be seen in my edit the scan URL is for a P.K. Dick book. I can only surmise that they issued a new printing with the correct ISBN because the scan on Google Books has a higher number, ISBN-10 978-0-8095-7308-0 on its copyright page and ISBN-13 0-8095-7308-3 on its back cover with the ISBN-13 below that. So I think the edition I entered is the first and WorldCat ISBN is second, so a new record needs creating for the second and ID moved so my edit can be un-rejected. In a weird coincidence, I was looking at the old Eternity Online site at pulpeternity.com for story links I could add to ISFDB and while it was mostly fruitless because they either only gave extracts from stories they published in their print magazine or broke full stories up into parts, some of which are dead making adding the links pointless, right there amid all that mess was a story from 1998 by Goldberg, "One More Vietnam Story", which was reprinted in Queen of the Country as "Another Vietnam Story" and supposedly original even though it was published nearly 10 years earlier. Have I ever mentioned how much I dislike Prime Books? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, I tend toward appreciating that I don't own any of their books (hope so). But for the problem we face: I think it's best to assume there is a later edition with the ISBN documented at WorldCat (at least, it only states the copyright year of 2008), and to set this edition to 'unknown'. What do you think? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:38, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: I agree. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:30, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Okay, done. I think I also have put in the changes & additions you submitted. Before you clone this: may it be worth a thought that the issuing with the other ISBN occurred after the 'right' one? (After all, the PKD collection seems to have been published only in the following year, 2009). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:00, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::This isn't what I asked you to do. My edit shouldn't have been rejected by the mod in the first place, they should have asked on my message board why I changed the ISBN and I would have explained as I did above here, and then you were supposed to clone it and move your WorldCat ID over to that and enter the ISBN as it is on WorldCat and the copy on Google Books. What you did here is add the alternate ISBN to the existing record. I give up. You guys take care of it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:21, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::: It's debatable if your submission should have been rejected: at least it countered the existing OCLC and the Amazon entries. And I did just what we agreed upon above. There really seem to exist at least two editions (or printings), each of them with a different ISBN. One of the remaining questions is: which of them came first? Since there doesn't seem to be an answer right now: maybe it'd be best to set both of them to 'unknown'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:29, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::No, because I asked you above, "So can you enter a new record cloning this book"; you didn't clone it and move over your ID and ISBN, you just added "date unknown" to the existing record that I created a few years ago, it doesn't make sense to clone that because the edition on Google/WorldCat is likely the later one; I see now that you also changed the cover artist and added a dash to her name, which is wrong because there's no dash in her name on the back cover of the Archive.org copy or the Google copy; it should have been made a variant. This book was confusing enough to work on, now everything here is confused and I really don't feel like doing anything else with it so you and the mod and whoever else can clean it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: If your submission would have been approved the ISBN would had to be reinstalled: there was a secondary verification for that specific ISBN; that is just plain ISFDB policy. If there does pop up another publication of a title with a different ISBN we do add a new publication record for it, according to our etiquette. The publication I added a secondary verification for is likely the later one, but that is not entirely sure: Amazon still gives a January 2008 date for it (but it's possible that this is erroneous). Alas, we seem to not have a date for the copy to be found at archive.org. That ain't nice, but seems to reflect our state of knowledge. If you can come up with hard facts about the dates or the chronological order of the publications: that would be appreciated. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:28, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Unintended link ==<br />
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Christian, <br />
Consider disabling the template [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek/Archive1#Photo_of_Kir_Bulychev here], it's linking your archive page to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Author_images here], [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Fair_use_images here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Photographer:Philip_Smith_Images&action=edit&redlink=1 here]. I happened to be looking at Category:Author images and noticed it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:55, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Hi! Thanks for the hint. I think I have worked upon the disconnection. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:14, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Submissions still pending ==<br />
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Hi Stonecreek,<br />
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I have made 2 submissions on January 27: 5560464 and 5560612. I got a welcome message from MagicUnk on February 13, but because my submissions are still pending, I have asked him, how long it could take until it's approved (or rejected). He told me that he is not able to make these approvals due to not enough knowledge about the Perry Rhodan and Atlan series. He told me also that there are already entries, albeit with a different date. It's because there were different editions. In the case of Atlan 154 it's the second editon and in the case of Perry Rhodan 215 it's the fourth edition, which are still missing in ISFDB.<br />
He gave me the advice to contact you. So, here I am. These submissions are important for me, because they contain some of my old works. And I want to use (the complete) bibliography as a reference for a possible new publication.<br />
So, I hope you can help me. If there should be anything wrong with my submission, please tell me.<br />
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[[User:Pinudeycos|Pinudeycos]] ([[User talk:Pinudeycos|talk]]) 07:57, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: If it would be okay that the dates, credits, notes and contents might be adjusted to the existing overall scheme (like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2793526 here] for the 1981 publications of Atlan (2. Aufl.)), I see no problem of approving them: I'll ping MagicUnk. <br />
: Thanks for contributing! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:57, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Thank you very much! [[User:Pinudeycos|Pinudeycos]] ([[User talk:Pinudeycos|talk]]) 11:10, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::My submissions are online now. I really appreciate your quick help! Keep continuing this great work with ISFDB. [[User:Pinudeycos|Pinudeycos]] ([[User talk:Pinudeycos|talk]]) 18:13, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Thanks for the kind words, and if there's anything you think should be added to our little database, please contribute and/or ask for help with adding. Also, please let me know when the republication of your works comes into the hot stage. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:20, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Plan D ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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When adding Bulgarian books from German and/or English sources which do not show Cyrillic letters, please keep in mind that Bulgarian uses the Cyrillic alphabet exclusively. With a few notable exceptions, that includes the author name, the publisher name and the title itself. If you cannot find the information as it is shown on a title page/cover or cannot work in the alphabet, please either leave a note on my page so I can clean up the record after you add it or just leave me a note so I can add the book and I will be happy to assist. Even checking Goodreads would have given you the correct title for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?941740 this book] although a local source is always preferred. I will be happy to assist with any other European languages where you cannot get the correct spelling of titles/authors/publishers as well. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:31, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Unfortunately, Annie is right: it's hard to get the spelling and other subtleties like inflections right when working with languages -- and especially alphabets/scripts -- that you are not familiar with. I have entered a lot of English translations of Japanese "light novels" as well as their Japanese language parent titles (mostly using Amazon JP), but my attempts to create publication records for Japanese pubs have been less than successful. Luckily, we have editors who are familiar with Japanese, Bulgarian, Russian and a number of other languages. Please don't hesitate to ask for help when you come across them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:31, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Okay. I thought that when OCLC uses the Latin alphabet this would ensure that the book was published using that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:47, 19 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: OCLC/Worldcat get their data from member libraries. Different libraries have used different data entry standards over the years, just like we have used different data entry standards. The result is that OCLC's data can be messy, especially for languages which do not use Latin characters. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:08, 19 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boken om Pippi Långstrump ==<br />
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We have the parent collection of three Pippi novellas as 2015 ''Boken om Pippi Långstrump'' T{{t|2937288}} with your title note "There may (quite likely) have been earlier editions". Does this parent COLLECTION represent a 2015 Swedish-language publication that you identified but chose not to add to the database? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:39, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: That's right. I found at Amazon only a 2015 publication but do strongly assume that there was a previous one in Swedish (and I personally would like to enter that first). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:42, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: British Library record BL 002174012 reports 232-page Rabén & Sjögren 1952.<br />
:: I don't find that edition at WorldCat[*]; only these two as earlier than 2015:<br />
:: [https://worldcat.org/title/255600782 OCLC 255600782] as 1969 4th ed? <br />
:: [https://worldcat.org/title/728651122 OCLC 728651122] as 1982, series Från Pippi till Ronja ... which must be [https://libris.kb.se/bib/7235299 SE LIBRIS 7235299].<br />
:: * WorldCat search ti:"Boken om Pippi" ; sort by Title A-Z<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:26, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Series title - Introductions, afterwords and notes for Isaac Asimov’s own work ==<br />
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Hello Christian, as I'll be adding to the series, I'm of the opinion that this title is too long, overly prescriptive and intrusive at pub level. In keeping with other essay series (for instance "Asimov's Essays: F&SF", "Letters: Isaac Asimov"), I propose changing it to "Asimov's Essays: own work". This would also suggest a subsequent series title "Asimov's Essays: other's work". If you're in agreement, could you process [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5646611 this submission] or hold it if not. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:41, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have no problem with this change. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:20, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Can we use proper capitalization for series names please? :) I've fixed this one when I approved it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:01, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Will do :) Thanks for fixing that Annie. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:14, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Inge Holm ==<br />
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Hello Christian!<br />
:Can you look on this submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5636802].It seems that you had made this specific record at that time. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 13:09, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Sorry, Rudolf, can't look into the submission. Can you tell what's the intended change? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:57, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: As I am around and not sure Rudolf is still around: No change, just a note "Inge Holm and Inge Heym are not identical. Inge Holm is Inge Holm and the wife of author Malte Heim. She is younger than Malte Heim, who was born in 1940." [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:21, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I'm still sceptical without a note on the source for this. If you take a look at the Wikipedia entry: it states that Inge Heym was born as Inge Holm, and it seems to be a bit of a coincidence that Inge Heim (as Malte Heim's wife) also would have an alternate name of Inge Holm. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:11, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: On the other hand, it seems possible that such things happen, somehow that also depends on who supplied the information. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Hello Christian!<br />
::::::1. Sorry, but I didn't know you couldn't open the link.<br />
::::::2. In the Wiki entry of Inge Heym is no hint to detect, that she is involved with SF.<br />
::::::3. All ISFDB entries of Inge Holm have the copyright for Inge Holm.<br />
::::::4. FYI the submitter is Ronald Hahn! Maybe he is right with his statement. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 09:53, 28 April 2023 (EDT)</div>
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[[User talk:Stonecreek/Archive2|Archive 2]]<br />
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[[User talk:Stonecreek/Archive3|Archive 3]]<br />
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[[User talk:Stonecreek/Archive4|Archive 4]]<br />
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== Troubleshooting ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?593110 Here] exclusive for you.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:05, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for the hint, Wolfram! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:07, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366800 here]--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:11, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Ah, that one looks okay. Maybe this is one entry that you can learn from. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:13, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Oh, that one looks not okay, not a good example to learn something, but a typical example for your excellent work, please find the typo.<br />
:::: But I don't want to take this to extremes, it's just a hint to first recognize your own mistakes before criticizing other users' mistakes. Good luck---[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 10:39, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Well, I never stated to be perfect: in fact nobody is. Mistakes do happen, the aim should be to learn from them.<br />
::::: On typos: one shouldn't think that they will never happen again. They have a tendency to creep in. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:03, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::Still wrong, please look accurate.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:55, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Feel free to correct typos. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:10, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Iluustrations in Perry Rhodan #547, 4th printing ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I have just received the info that apparently the fourth printing of PR #547 had a fan illustraion in addition to Bruck's work, references are [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:JL#unbekannte_Zeichner_von_Innenillustrationen here]. Illustration #1 on p. 27 would not be by Bruck, but the following two would the same two as in the first printing. As I don't own printing #4, perhaps you could check and make the resp. edits? Thanks, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 06:51, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks very much, John! I really did not take the signature into account: the illustration is IMHO very near to Bruck's style, and I thought it was a illustration by him that found no place with the initial publication, which I do think has happened before with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?559092 PR 308], p. 63. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:58, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Fischer Sternaux ==<br />
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Hello Christian, by adding two collections I create two entries for an artist:<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?318094 Peter Fischer Sternaux]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?307185 Peter Fischer-Sterneaux]<br />
I'm not sure, but I think both are wrong or typos. The correct name should be '''Peter Fischer-Sternaux'''. I found only three hints: [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bb-Reihe wiki bb-Reihe], [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompass-B%C3%BCcherei wiki Kompass-Bücherei] and [http://www.stiftung-plakat-ost.de/pers.htm East German poster artists]. Can you help me to add the hyphen to Peter Fischer Sternaux? Sterneaux will then be a variant of Sternaux. Thank you very much [[User:Henna|Henna]] 06:09, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure! I added the hyphen. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:58, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Atlan 216 -> 217? ==<br />
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Hi Christan, can you check {{p|804985|Atlan 216}}? It looks like the number needs to change to 217, otherwise there will be two pub records with 216. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 02:19, 29 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! I'll take care of my error. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:31, 29 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan 18 (2.Aufl.) Note ==<br />
Hi Christian, now the note has been erased completly. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4831473] I'm wondering about. Are you prepearing a new note? Can you please check this again? --[[User:Norman|Norman]] 03:33, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, Norman. I just removed a now surplus note about the cover art being the same as with the novella's first edition (and the cover design, I guess) which can be seen now with your upload.<br />
: I agree that it'd be nice, though, to have ''some'' notes, but you seem to be more competent than me regarding statements made in the issue, having the issue at hand. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:40, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|789903|Exodus, #40}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I added the missing interior art, please take a look. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:03, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, yes! Many thanks for that! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:42, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Image:GRTMRCNSHR2002.jpg ==<br />
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I have restored [[:Image:GRTMRCNSHR2002.jpg]]. It is used in a publication and "non-genre publication" is not a valid deletion reason for a book cover. By rule, only non-genre magazine covers are prohibited. Non-genre book covers are allowed and we have plenty of them. This disconnect in the rules has been discussed a number of times with no resolution. It's been awhile since the last discussion so it may be worth starting another rules and standards discussion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:38, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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Okay, but this was what was told to me when I was a beginner here. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|789904|Exodus, #41}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have changed a few things in this magazine. Please take a look and check the changes. I think now only the collage on page 54 is missing. Thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 16:36, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Looks considerably better now! Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:52, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::No, I made some mistakes, now we have three duplicates. I will take care of it. What you think about p. 54? Sorry for the mess [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:47, 4 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==Changes by unknown==<br />
(moved to the end of my talk page) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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Hi Christian. I'm wondering about some changes which has be done by unknowe between my submitting and releasing by a moderator (which takes at the moment 1-3days). Example: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4848514]. I think a moderator is allthough confused about this circumstances. I've today cancelled myself some of my submitted tasks which should have runed into the void. As you know it's hard to wait with the procedure i has to work actually. It takes some days until a new magazine has been registrated in a propper way. But it is much more confusing if a third party doing some well-intentioned actions in the meantime. What is going on there? Is there perhaps a better way for me? I see you are working daily a you check my work, which is really perfect for me. Would it be perhaps a better way to do in the future some actions in a coordinated way together? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:06, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Well, yes! Maybe I should wait for a time with actions: the reason this happens is that I tend to deal with things the moment I run across them. Working in some areas at the same time does lead into the danger to forget about things. But if you would like to work in an area for some time on your own, we surely can bundle our actions in a more coordinated way. So, what are your plans for the nearest future (for example the coming week?) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::Thank you for the explanation. At the moment, the long waiting time between the change request and its approval is my problem, especially if the facts have changed in between. In addition, there is a certain impatience on my part. Now I would like to complete volumes #51 to #60 in both the 2nd and 5th edition. Later also the issues 21 to 60 of the 3rd edition. The magazines are of course all in my possession. It would be of great and welcome help to me, for example, if you could briefly review my changes and perhaps if possible approve them once a day. Since you and me always have to carry out several steps into each other for a magazine and I don't want to lose the overview, I would concentrate 2-3 booklets a day. Would such a procedure be conceivable for you? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 03:19, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, I'll wait for your doings and perhaps review and add/change a few things later, if that's okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:33, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::It would be perfect! I'm always interested to learn how such few things which could be very special are handled here. But first i've to wait for the still pending edits. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:17, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::: It seems Dirk (P. Broer) handled all or a part of the necessary doings overnight. Please take a look which of them still need to be dealt with. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:54, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==PR 53 5.Auflage Essay==<br />
I've just submitted this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4852526]. I didn't found the essay at 3|3.1 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1639876 Das Perry Rhodan-Lexikon] in this magazine. I found 3 Letters instead. But i found the essay in volume #51 instead. But some minutes before i submitted for #51 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4852524 this]. Can you please check and do the fixing, or please tell me how to proceed? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:04, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Perhaps the essay in #51 (by W. Voltz!) is not identical with the 'Werkstattbericht' by (Horst Hoffmann and Peter Terrid). I will check this! But anyway in #53 this has to be modified or deleted [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:14, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Result of check: the Essay in #1154, #920(2nd) and #51(5th) are identical! And the authors are Horst Hoffmann and Peter Terrid. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:26, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: Many thanks for the corrections! It seemed just logical to assume that the essay on the 'Lexikon' would also appear in this issue (#53). I updated the title per merging and also removed it from issue #53 (5. Auflage). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:19, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::Never mind. I have to thank you for the help that accelerated this. Otherwise it would have taken days again. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 07:01, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::::It might even be faster to import titles that already exist in the database - for example illustrations. It's possible to select contents on importing, or to import specified titles (this is done by entering the title no. in the lower half of the import screen). Basically, if there's only one title to import, I use the latter option, and if there is more than one title to import from one other publication I use the first option: it just requires to remove titles from a publication if there are some imported that don't belong to it (for example in PR #52, 5. Aufl., there were only two of the original four interior pieces of art reproduced). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:10, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::::Many thanks again. This is very interesting. I'll try this next. I didn't know this function before. :-) [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:58, 10 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==Raumschiff Promet and its publication dates==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'll be changing the publication date of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?812248 #54]. The publication date of Astro Science Fiction #53 is stated as 14 November 1973 in #49. Cheers, John. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 15:28, 13 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, many thanks for the info! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:03, 13 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 9 ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23789 this] is Mike Little. Credired on p.165 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204909 this] publication. Almost certainly the same artists responsible for the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23793 this] as well. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:21, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Great find! Many thanks for the detective work, and have a merry Christmas! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:24, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== John Taylor ==<br />
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We have been sorting out the various John Taylors and need a little help. Can you see [[User_talk:Username#John_Taylor|this discussion]] and let us know if {{P|4421|Beyond This Horizon}} provides any biographical information about the John Taylor that has a story (p116) and essay (p44) in it? We are trying to determine if they are the same person and whether they are from the UK physicist or the US author. [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/s313.htm#A4878 Contento] has both by the author. But the physicist supposedly did some science fiction plays and the essay title would align with a physicist. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:15, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry, there's no biographical information, but my best guess is that it's the British physicist: seems quite obvious for the essay, and the convention was something like a British showcase (with a bit of Continental Europe thrown in). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:53, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I added title notes with that information. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:42, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Driftglas in German ==<br />
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{{p|371550|Driftglass}} cover by Barclaw Shaw [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 02:57, 7 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! (but the variant / parent is still missing). Christian<br />
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== Philip K Dick ==<br />
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Added missing series to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55525 this] as <br />
"Writers of the 21st Century Series" (as printed on front) to conform with the rest of the volumes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 02:00, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! I missed out on that one upon verifying. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:55, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hello, Rtrace.<br />
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I inserted the translation to the Portuguese (#819033) but in the summary of the author (#111330) appear like a new novel, not a translation. How to fix it?<br />
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How is the right way to put translations? Its a New Novel or Add Publication to This Title or Variant?<br />
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--[[User:Paulotecario|Paulotecario]] 09:48, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Hello, and welcome! You seem to have misdirected your question (since I'm not Rtrace). <br />
:But to answer: The right way to add translations usually is to enter a publication of the translation (correct title per title page of the publication, author name per title page of the publication, fitting language, translator, and other useful data), and than (after processing), variant to the canonical title. (The exception is if a translation under the exact same title already exists, than one can use the Add Publication or Clone Publication links). <br />
:For that reason the novel by N. K. Jemisin appears to be unconnected to its parent: it still needs to be varianted (the feature to use is the 'Make This Title a Variant' link). Since the entry does need some fixing (capitalization of title, price denomination, additional notes), I'll do the fixing and varianting for you. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:08, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The format ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Careful with formats outside of Germany: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819037 this] is [https://www.amazon.com.br/dp/8580579430 Dimensões : 23 x 15.6 x 1.8 cm] and a 23 cm book cannot be a pb under ANY definition. :) I fixed it. Also - when you find issues as severe as the ones with this book, please try to leave notes around - in this case both the editor who added and the moderator should have been reminded of what is wrong here. Fixing it is all great but unless someone tells the editor and the moderator, we will end up with more of those (I just caught 5 more of them and cleaned them up on approval). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:02, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry about the format: that one slipped through my radar surveillance. I had seen that you reminded the moderator about issues, and the editor was informed in the item just above this one (bare that false format I didn't pay attention to). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:44, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Well, a day later when they came asking :) It makes it easier to do it when the change is done - that way we do not miss these. :) I think we are all good now. Hope you are doing well! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:08, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Yes, I cope (as you'll likely also do): waiting for things to normalize the news came in that vaccination over here in Europe for the majority of people will take longer than expected, due to organizational & production complications, but otherwise health is still good in the family: no one got seriously ill so far. So it will take some more time of clenching one's teeth and staying calm. Hope you're doing as good as circumstances allow (or better). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:18, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: That's good to hear. :) Pretty much -- living in one of the biggest counties in this country (biggest in the state) and not being old enough means that I am stuck home for the foreseeable future - they will take awhile to get to me for the vaccines. It all shall pass - hopefully... Oh well - stay safe - people tend to get even more careless than usual if they believe the end is close and that can cause problems even for the ones who are careful :( At least I can work from home... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: I hope you stay healthy in all the time waiting: that's the important thing, I'd think! Over here the old-aged are the first in line when it comes to the cure, then the system-sustaining persons, and pretty much later we normalized ones are thought of. Thought it would be sometime in Spring when it comes to our group, but it seems it will get hotter than that ... - just hoping the barbers will open before that, else there'll be much sweating (and much blindsight). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:03, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Galery of Lem's star diaries illustrations ==<br />
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Hello Christian, [https://solaris.lem.pl/galeria/rysunki-lema here] you can see the most illustration from the Star Diaries. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 06:12, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! That does indeed help! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:18, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Overcorrecting again ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Please stop "correcting" things without even looking at the covers and title pages. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?61987 This series] is not called "Mack 'n' Me" but "Mack 'n' Me 'n' Odyssey". Because of that we cannot strip "Mack 'n' Me" from the titles unless you want to do an internal set of series but the numbering may go wrong in the future so leaving them as they are is the cleanest way. I just spent some time fixing these again. I will appreciate if in the future instead of just going and removing anything that has ":" in the title, you either do some research OR ask the editor who actually worked on these (or both) and if I do not need to spend time correcting corrections. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:47, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: PS: And the fact that you again changed someone's work without bothering to consult and/or at least notify the person is as unacceptable as it always had been. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:49, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Just a reminder that ''all'' record types -- pubs, titles, series, publication series, authors, awards, etc -- support Edit History as of 2021-01-14. When planning changes to a record, you can now review record history to see who else has worked on it.<br />
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:: Due to the way submissions work, sometimes you need to check other submission types to see full history. In this case, the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/series_history.cgi?61987 Edit History page] associated with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?61987 this series] doesn't tell you who created it. However, you can use Edit History pages associated with the titles in the series -- like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?2822131 this page] -- to see who added the series information.<br />
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:: Hopefully, this will become one of our standard operating procedures as editors become used to this functionality and help lower everybody's stress level :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:59, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Sorry, but I took the longe name as some kind of pub. series (yes, then it should have been put into that field - it didn't feel quite correct also). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:05, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Then come and discuss before changing. My edits are all over this series and all its books, I've spent enough time with it to have an idea what is what (plus this is a known pattern with some series lately...). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:25, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|1650396|Etemenanki oder Die Fundamente von Himmel und Erde}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, is this the same text like in {{T|2682309|Etemenanki}}? Here is the first paragraph [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/5/51/Simon_etemenanki.jpg of Etemenanki]. Thanks for looking it up [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:21, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sure! I'll variant the title(s). Thanks, I just overlooked this. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:08, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Secondhand Charm ==<br />
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What was with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4895041 this change]? Did you even look at the publication before making this change? I don't understand why you would change the credit on the verified pub without asking the verifier, but had you looked at the pub notes, it would have been clear that there are two separate artists involved. I restored the proper credit. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:38, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry for that! ... and I even don't know what it was that has driven me to that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:48, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Image:PRRRHDNMZT1985.jpg ==<br />
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[[:Image:PRRRHDNMZT1985.jpg]] was deleted by you, but it is still used in {{P|814576|this pub}}. Please check whether you forget to remove the image link or if it was used in multiple pubs and it is correct/incorrect for this one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Alan PETER Ryan ==<br />
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Alan Ryan started using his full name, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?144345], when he returned to writing in 2010. "Sexual Exploration Is a Crime" was published under his full name in 2019's Shivers VIII just like it was in Ryan's 2012 collection The Back of Beyond. It was never published as by Alan Ryan. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:35, 14 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:I'm inclined to believe you. However, the thing is that the title appears with the short name in a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?727940 primary verified publication]. So you have to ask the primary verifier first if this is an overlooked mistake, before we could accept this change. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:17, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Follow-up from the Moderator Noticeboard discussion ==<br />
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To follow up on the [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Abusive_Regularization|last Moderator Noticeboard discussion]]:<br />
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* As per the 2020 agreement, please limit your moderatorial activities to self-moderation until I change the software to support an explicit "self-moderation only" flag for editors<br />
* Please do not change the data in recently added/edited records without discussing it with the moderator who approved the submission. Doing so effectively circumvents the agreement and leaves both the approving moderator and the submitting user out of the loop.<br />
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These issues have been occurring for a long time now. Please make sure that they do not re-occur or else I will have to take administrative action. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:58, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== La trama celeste ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you share your sources for your statements of "First printing" and "Apparent first Edition" which you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?580480 here] today? None of the linked sources (OCLC and LTF) claim any of that (the Trantor is a later reprint and was used to verify the contents), your edit had no moderator notes and no notes identifying where these statements are coming from. Did you miss to add your sources?<br />
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On a separate note (less important but still valid) - reordering the statements in a publication notes field to fit your idea of what goes where in the notes (you moved the sources statement from the top to the bottom) is disrespectful to other editors - we all have our own styles of writing notes and we do not enforce style in this field. If you want ISFDB to start enforcing style, please go to R&S and find support. In the meantime, please respect your fellow editors (unless you are verifying of course - if you are PVing and there are no other PVs, you can change the note anyway you want). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:06, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, but the missing information is vital for out db and follows for the edition from Wikpedia. <br />
:The printing is necessary to add for a db that goes to index different ones. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:39, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Can you please point to a source that identifies this as a definitive first printing? Because what you are describing is an assumed first printing - unless it is confirmed somewhere, there is a possibility for an earlier printing run in the same year that is different. Statements of printing which lack the qualification “assumed” should have a source. Your opinion that this must be a first printing is just your opinion and not a fact unless it is supported by a source (primary or secondary). Otherwise we become the source of that specific information - and being a source of unverified information is not what this DB is supposed to be. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:51, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::I think it's quite clear that it's a first edition, but for the faint possibilty that there was a previous edition within the same year, I'll update the note.<br />
:::On the printing rank: unless you know that there's more than one printing of this edition within the same year it ''should'' be noted that our entry is for the first one. And if there are more printings in 1948 we should clarify it for the sake of an editor supplying a higher one. It's quite unlike you to make things more difficult for additional publications and to be content with stub notes. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:31, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::: Re:<br />
::::* unless you know that there's more than one printing of this edition within the same year it ''should'' be noted that our entry is for the first one<br />
:::: it's the other way around. Like other statements that we make in Notes, we add an unqualified "First printing" statement if -- and '''only if''' -- we have a source indicating that the publication is the first printing of the given edition. That source can be either the publication itself or a secondary source. Without a source, we can, at most, enter "Assumed first printing" or words to that effect. This is explained in the "Printings" section of [[Template:PublicationFields:PubNote]], e.g.:<br />
::::* If there is no printing information beyond the edition date, and no specific "first printing" statement, it is likely that this is a first printing, and you can put "Appears to be first printing of 1974 Puffin edition." <br />
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:::: Checking the database, I see that you have created 9263 EditPub submissions with the words "First printing" in Notes. We will now have to review and, if necessary, correct all of them. I will be creating a cleanup script which will identify all affected publication records, both PV'd and unverified. The number of affected publications will be lower than 9263, but the cleanup process will still be very time consuming.<br />
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:::: This is a major issue. Given this problem with understanding core data entry rules and the previously discussed repeated issues with adhering to the terms of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Follow-up_from_the_Moderator_Noticeboard_discussion self-moderation agreement], I am suspending your moderator flag until this issue has been sorted out and software support for "self-moderation only" editors has been added. We will review and discuss where we stand once these issues have been addressed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:31, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::::: Sorry to disagree: when we know an entry for any possible printing (including the first) of a given edition would look the same as the one we have in the database, it ''is'' meaningful to denominate 'ours' as the first: this way we have the first printing in the db, and any further printing of that year will be listed after it, we have it clear that a possible further printing of that year will have to be added, '''and''' we have the general information visible that we go as deep as the level of printing in ISFDB. And if you refer to the possibility that the cover image might differ for a different printing: well, without a primary verifier or a dependable source for it, we don't even know if the image we display does represent the edition (or the specific printing). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:46, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::: This specific book is sourced from OCLC and LTF. You do not invent data that is not on the record unless you can explain it. Stating First Printing with no qualifiers means that we are stating that this specific book in these sources is the first printing definitely (if we know that but we cannot verify that the sources point to our book, the IDs should not be added to it (or if added, the note should explain that they do not state first printing) and the note on the sources should explain that they are possibly for a different version of the book ). There is nothing in any source to support such unqualified claim. So “Assumed First Printing” is the best that can be used. Anything else is a fabrication and essentially creating information that then can be used by someone else and considered definitive. If we fabricate information, we cannot be trusted as a dB. If you cannot understand that, I am not sure how exactly to explain it better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:19, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Those sources only would possibly index a first printing if it's stated in a publication (though not necessarily so). We do have a different policy: we state a publication as ''apparent first printing''. So it'd be okay to state a first printing until we know if it's an apparent or a stated one (most likely supplied by a PV). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:34, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::: Can you please point to me where this policy is specified? Because Ahasuerus already posted above our rules and they contradict it. And any other rule I had seen had been clear: each fact added should have a source - the book preferably, a secondary source if not possible. We do not invent data. If we have a documentation mismatch that actually allows us to invent data we should fix it so we do not confuse our editors. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:56, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::: I'm pretty sure you propagated it in one of the many arguments with Wolfram, I just haven't found it by now. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:24, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::: I had said that it is ok to add "First Printing" with no qualifications and no support of any source (other books or online sources) or the book? Very unlikely but sure, find it, I will be interested to see that and we can see what exactly was said there and in what context. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:21, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::::: If my memory is correct, you stated that it'd be okay to state 'Apparent first printing.' (and we'd accordingly have to wait what is there in a yet unverified publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:34, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::: You realize the difference between “Apparent/Assumed First Printing” and a non qualified “First Printing”, right? Had you used the first here, we do not have a problem. You used the latter and then went on explaining how that is ok. A person browsing the site and seeing the statement with no qualifiers won’t think “oh, this says First printing but does not say stated so this may not be one”, they will think “first printing means first printing”. That is the crux of the problem here. Reread again everything I said so far and the excerpt from the rules above - adding a statement is not the issue, adding an unqualified one is. And then when you updated the note you changed the edition line leaving the unqualified printing one in place. (I cleaned it up when I fixed the sources issue). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:04, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::::::: Well, okay! I see the benefit of stating the more cautious version for people not aware of the difference between PVed and non-PVed pub.s (or PVed but not thoroughly reviewed). I guess that's a case of deep-in-blindness. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:15, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::::: Most people won't realize what the PV table means when the find the page online (we had had enough new editors that did not and they were here to edit). And implying that it is ok to just add whatever to non-PVd publications is a bit offensive to all the editors who had done a lot of work through the years piecing things together from secondary sources and being very careful to chase any sources (with different levels of sloppiness sometimes but we are all human) - I am aware that this is not you meant but I hope you understand what I am saying here. That's why listing sources and qualifications are important (and listing what from the sources does not match our record and why when we have sources disagreeing) - if we made a mistake because a source was mistaken, it is not so good but we had a source and we did not create a piece of information that is untrue; if we just added a statement which was mistaken/misleading, we become the source now - and before long all other sites will use our data even from unPVd pubs and uprooting these errors later is hard (just look at the Larry Correia birthday problem - we did not originate it but someone did). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:53, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Authors difference in publications and titles ==<br />
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I have two of your submissions on hold because they run contrary to the basic rules of data entry on the site ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931312 this one] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931313 this one]) - we do NOT change the title authors in such cases, we leave the title author as uncredited and then variant to a parent with the known authors. Our rules are very clear about that - the exact text from the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Author help page is]:<br />
"If there is a publicly available source which identifies the uncredited title's author, it will be later turned into a variant title using the author's canonical name." (please note that this is part of the TITLE author field and there is no exception for EDITOR records).<br />
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However, before I rejected them outright, I checked the German magazines (which had been your domain for years) and this had been going for a very long time so I went digging to see if there is a reason for that. Unless I missed it, there had not been an attempt to change the rules to make an exception for the German language magazines (I already spent my Sunday chasing this so I stopped somewhere ~2013). The only time this was even remotely mentioned is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_18#Publication_Authors_That_Are_Not_the_Title_Author this Cleanup report] which had been implemented in the usual way (leave the big sets for the end so a plan can be made for them; it is regrettable that the report was never completely implemented but that does not constitute a change of rules - these records are still against the rules). <br />
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Is there a policy in some obscure place that I missed (and that needs to be added to the rules) or do we need to mount yet another cleanup effort to bring all of these records to policy? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:17, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Well, that's the way they were entered at the beginning of entering the series (and it wasn't me who began that), and I just followed the example that was already there. I don't see any major problem with the way it is for those, since 'uncredited' poses no pseudonym. But we could also work through the lot, if you're there to do a lot of unmerging, merging and/or varianting. And if you prefer it: sure, we can install a cleanup report for it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:31, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: I read this several times now. Are you really accusing me of starting these author mismatches? You know perfectly well that when I began with the Perry Rhodan series, I used a secondary source (Perrypedia) and tried to be as complete as possible. Any use of uncredited and starting the discrepancy between publication and title author is yours! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:03, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: We already have a cleanup report for author mismatches, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 ''Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author'']. When it was [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_18#Publication_Authors_That_Are_Not_the_Title_Author|modified in 2015 to add EDITOR/MAGAZINE and EDITOR/FANZINE mismatches]], I mentioned that it was coded to "ignore[] German magazines because we have about 1,400 Perry Rhodan mismatches on file. Once the other 126 mismatches have been resolved, we can revisit the PR issue."<br />
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:: Unfortunately, the issue was never revisited, so now we have 5,375 mismatches, including 1,500 non-Perry Rhodan mismatches. Some are PR-related, including 434 Atlans, while others are not. Better late than never... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:14, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: It won’t be that hard I suspect - two step process (create parent with the authors that are there now and then clean the authors of the current record (and fix both dates while at it) will clear a whole year of uncredited issues. The only unmerges needed will be when there are pubs credited differently. <br />
:::: Yes, mostly, but there are a few elaborate title notes that shouldn't be lost (or should be transposed). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:26, 8 March 2021 (EST) <br />
::::: So a third edit. :) Still Not so bad. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:29, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: As for why we must finish the cleanup - we are a DB. Differences in data structures is a problem when one writes queries to find something - inconsistencies like that should have a very good reason. Being German and uncredited is not one of those unless we change the rules officially. :)<br />
::: Can I request an update of the report or should I do it over in CS? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:21, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: And is there a report for the case above: i. e. the 'First printing' affair? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:30, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Not yet - unlike the one here, that one is not preexisting... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:40, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
(unindent) OK - I approved both merges so their pubs are brought into where they belong and then fixed both of these title records to follow the way we handle uncredited publications with known authors from elsewhere. Just a gentle reminder - when you are making the yearly series, the date of it should be the year itself (so 1991-00-00) and not the date of the first issue. <br />
: PS: As you are the PV on a lot of them, we know who to ask but it will be extremely useful to add some notes on the series level ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?43528 here] and all the others) where the editors names are coming from. Or on the individual years although adding them up on the series level may be cleaner and clearer. Or even on the parent [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28689 series]. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:40, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dmitry Glukhovsky's "Text" ==<br />
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A quick FYI re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2652577 this title]. Back in 2019 you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4484074 added the following note]: "Described as a crime / techno-thriller; it may be nongenre." As per the plot summary on Wikipedia, this is a non-genre thriller. I have updated the German VT and the Russian parent title. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:28, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: I can confirm it is non-genre. If I can remember where my book is (because I do not see it where it is supposed to be), I will verify a Russian version and clean the note after that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:56, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks, Ahasuerus! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:58, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== GOMINE — Walzenraumer der Hijthi (scheme) ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Did you mean to make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2841677 this] a short story or did you forget to switch to Interior art? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:32, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: It's an artwork, which I just realized upon submitting. I'll correct it with adding the cover image. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:53, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:11, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== These variants ==<br />
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I rejected a few - there is no point changing the author in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4932961 such cases]. 30 of the 33 magazines need to stay under the title as is. 3 need to be split and varianted... Changing the author here will result in a lot more work. I think I approved a few earlier so I will clean the created mess based on that... but please look at the list of magazines before changing the authors. Thanks! 00:10, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Those issues have to be reviewed (and the credit chenged) anyway. But my idea was to first complete the (1. Auflage), and then come back to it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:19, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: But in the process you are moving issues from "Pub and title matches" to "they do not match" so when the report gets deployed, someone will try to fix them again and we will do the same work multiple times. If you are going to be reviewing the publications anyway, let's start with them. Fix the magazines themselves inside of a year, then fix the titles correctly. Otherwise we will be chasing these until next Christmas :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:34, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Uhmmm, yes, your're probably right. I just have to dig these copies out of their vault. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
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== Wstęp (Dzienniki gwiazdowe) ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935029 this one]. Either we claim we do not know who to credit to (so unknown) (because we really have no idea it is Lem's or not) or it is Lem's... We cannot have it both ways (and even if it was rare, other people did write introductions for his books in Polish:) ) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:43, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:What is unknown, I think, is if it's credited to Lem or his alter ego Professor Tarantoga. Usually the introduction should be the same as the first one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?820586 here], since there the eighth and the eighteenth journey (and the ominous circumstances of their coming-to-be & inclusion) are talked about; it should also be in-universe fiction. The only somewhat irregular thing is the discussion of a 'LEM' as author of the 'Star Diaries' since the Lunar Excursion Mobile would have a far too small electronic brain for such a task - it seems somewhat pre-timed for 1966, but the 1971 should be at least a variant of the 1966 piece. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:51, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: And your source for this please? Unless you have something better than guesses here, this stays unconnected. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:04, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: According to [https://fantlab.ru/work3309 Fantlab], there were 4 introductions to the "Ijon Tichy" collections published between 1954 and 1976. All of them were in-universe essays as by "Professor Tarantoga" (one of the characters in the series), but the text differed from edition to edition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:41, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Beat me to it - I was planning to go digging on Russian and Polish sites today to see if I can find something. :) Feel free to makre the changes and add sources on the pub level and cleanup the notes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:51, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Thank you for the research. Will do the updates. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:12, 13 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Uralt, mein Feind ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4934516 this one]: Rudam PVd it 4 years before you did. Are you absolutely sure that his book does not have the first edition stated? When he [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3337533 added it], his note read "noted stated"? I propose to wait for him to verify before we remove the stated qualifier... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:11, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, I'm sure: checked it two times! Rudolf has quite often the "noted stated" misprinting (when it should read "not stated"). It's ''very'' unusual for this publisher to not state a first German edition (and at first I fell for this trap), but it's in fact what is there. As a hint see the difference between the DNB and/or OCLC entries for this one and the one for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?676175 Vazkor] for example (fifth line of the DNB entry). I guess the (missing) information was copied from another publication in the sub-series 'Science Fiction Classics', in which ''usually'' real classics are published (and ones that were published before in German). For the Dickson the collection's original English publication was just five years before and the single stories weren't in every case so much older. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:32, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: You checked Rudam’s book two times? I have no concerns with your book at all (although why a day earlier you thought it says that is a bit of a mystery but mistakes happen) - my concern is not what the book you are holding says. My concern is the other PV’s copy. Would you have accepted this edit if it was not your book and you were moderating and a second editor was changing major data points in the notes (which they confirmed matching the previous day) or would you have tried to ensure first that they are holding the same edition and we do not need a clone instead? Apparently Ron read the initial status of this note as saying that the value is stated as well (that’s why he approved your changes the previous day). You are probably right that you have the same book but I’d still try to discuss that with the other PV first. :) If he is not around for awhile, then we can change that with a note explaining what the other PV had stated before (“The first PV had marked the edition as “noted stated”. It is assumed, based on the usual practices of the German publishers, that this is a misprint for “not stated” and there is only one version of this book” for example or words to that effect). That way it is clear what happened here and in case we read the weirdly phrased statement wrong, we have the paper trail for the change. What do you think? <br />
:: There are 9 books with this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=Noted+stated+ note]. I will ping him to clarify what he meant and we can easily sort them out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:50, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Well, no, of course I didn't check Rudolf's book, just checked my copy, but mine does seem to be printed the same way as the ones catalogued at DNB and OCLC. Sure we can add the note accordingly. The examples are mostly for Goldmann & Bastei Lübbe publications in the mid-Seventies, and in these times both publishers didn't state first German editions. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: And this should also go in the note, as it is a justification of why you read the statement the way you do. :) So let’s do that in order - leave a message to him, if he does not respond in a few days (he seems to be away just now), send another update with the note properly added. Thoughts? Meanwhile I will work with him to sort out the 9 publications with this note. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:25, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Spektrum der Wissenschaft, #3.21 cover ==<br />
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Where is the title and date coming from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937197 here]? I do not see a note anywhere in the publication, cover record and there are no moderator notes? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:43, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's from the original appearance of the piece as interior art. Will add the according note to the parent title (and correct the title type). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. Add this in the moderator note next time. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:20, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Reinhold Kammler ==<br />
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Could you please clarify what the proposed note -- "Was 1981 at home in Vienna, Austria" -- in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937820 this submission] means? Does it mean that he lived in Vienna, Austria as of 1981? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:06, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes. Would it be better to phrase it as "Was 1981 living in Vienna, Austria"? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:08, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for clarifying! I have changed it to "Known to have lived in Vienna, Austria as of 1981." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:20, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #147: Amoklauf der Maschinen ==<br />
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When you have a chance: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?654734 this one] remained the only mismatched one in one of the years you cleared. I am not sure if it needs an update or to be split out so leaving that to you. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:28, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do the update. Thanks for the hint! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:06, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Wünsch dir was! ==<br />
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Hello again :)<br />
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Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2837007 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2363651 this]? If they are the same, they need a merge. If not, we need to disambiguate or at least add notes. As you have both magazines, you are in the best place to figure out what we need to do :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:49, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Ah, yes! The 2018 one was published quite a while back, so that I didn't realize that the title was used again (they might be developed into a series: I'll see if there are future instalments. For now, I'll disambiguate the two: thanks for finding them! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:06, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Agency ==<br />
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Added the second ASIN in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?800153 this one] and cleaned the note (the note was there because the ASIN was not working on amazon.de (misspelled a bit in the note...) and the ISBN was not leading anywhere on the German Amazon when I added it). When there are different ASINs across the Amazons for the same edition, we list all the ones we source from and add a note which belongs to which Amazon. Thankfully it does not happen too often outside of certain US/UK paired publishers (but when it happens, it can be annoying). So just heads up! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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:Thanks, Annie! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:10, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Zweitausendvierundachtzig: Orwells Albtraum ==<br />
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Hello again, <br />
<br />
Both OCLC and DNB show [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828410 this one] as part of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?2152 AndroSF]. Not sure if you left it out intentionally or not but just heads up. If it was intentional, is there something that makes it different from the rest of the series (I add books from this series occasionally so if there are some specifics, I'd love to know them). :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:06, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll upload the image, add more contents and the series: I forgot to add the series, but I usually review my recent edits to find typos, mistakes and omissions like this one; but thanks for keeping an open eye: there may still some faults slipping through. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:43, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I would have just put on my monitor list to see if there will be an update later but as it was a series I work on now and then, I wanted to make sure it was not intentional and I do not need to look out for something in the books that have the series. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #799: Abschied von Terra ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?380654 This one] needs either to be split out or have its editors fixed. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:03, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, thanks for finding this one. Submission under way. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:04, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Old sites on author pages ==<br />
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Instead of removing them completely, see if archive.org will give you a snapshot we can use. Like I just did [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?265255 here]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:55, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Franziska Wolff ==<br />
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When you have a chance, add a note either [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?323974 here] or in the parent where the pseudonym is disclosed. I take you at your word that it is in a book so I approved but let's add the note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sources needed ==<br />
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Can you share a source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4942497 this change] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4942402 this change]. Unless we have a source telling us that an English author does not get shelved under their last name, we always assume it is the last name only. Spanish and Portuguese are different but English is very straightforward in this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:22, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:You're right, of course. For a reason unknown I thought that the rules were different for 'classic' authors. I'll cancel and resubmit. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:44, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: We use this name for the Author Directory and for sorting in searches if you chose to order by that. So having the value as someone expects it (which for English speakers will be last name) is what makes sense. So for Romilly, a quick search finds [https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/romilly-hugh-hastings-4502 this] and if a Dictionary of Biography has him under Romilly, that's where we want him :) Galactic Central has Estay under E ([http://www.philsp.com/homeville/gfi/s349.htm#A9915 here] but as you know the link is not stable so we cannot link it directly) - which is not as definitive as a dictionary but I would follow their lead unless I have another source somewhere. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:53, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Atlan, #200: Herrscher im Mikrokosmos ==<br />
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"Juli 1982" and 1982-06-15 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?829057 here] :) I suspect a copy/paste mistake from the previous entry in the note but as these are hard to spot, heads up so you can sort it out when you add the cover. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:58, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Will do. Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:00, 24 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Gate of Ivrel ==<br />
<br />
{{P|514656|Gate of Ivrel}} has the same cover art as {{P|279676|Orbit UK PB}} edition [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 19:50, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Oh, yes! Many thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 26 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible Typos ==<br />
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Here are some possible database typos:<br />
* millenial - {{T|127268|Millenial Eve(s) (drama review)}} in {{P|59018|Interzone, #132 June 1998}}<br />
* phenomenom - {{T|1612366|English-Language SF as a Socio-Cultural Phenomenom}} in {{P|211705|Science Fiction Studies, Second Series}}<br />
* relevations - {{T|1166830|Deep Space, Deeper Relevations}} in {{P|59009|Interzone, #157 July 2000}}<br />
If you could please check and correct or add title notes, it would be appreciated. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:10, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Will do my best, though the SF-Studies book will need some searching. Thanks for the hints, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:20, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Drachengestirn ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you find [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500470 this book] and come join us [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Thomas_F._Monteleone.27s_Dragonstar here] while we are trying what to do with these books. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:09, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks, I have answered there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:56, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: You have an answer - sounds like you need to move this translation? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:17, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver testing ==<br />
<br />
As I said on [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Bottleneck_at_moderation_level]], last week I changed the software to support "self-approval" -- see [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-approval_support]]. It was a fairly significant change and you are now the first editor to test it on the live server. Self-approvers should be able to approve and reject their own submissions. Please give it a try and let me know if you run into any issues.<br />
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Also, please be extra careful when editing records which other editors have worked on. Communication is key :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:25, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thank you very much, I'll test it. And from now on I'll be very cautios with other people's work. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:33, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== German translations of Irma Chilton ==<br />
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Hi Christian,<br />
I need help with some complex editing of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?223006 Irma Chilton].<br />
Right now the situation is as follows:<br />
* She has written two short novellas: "Take Away the Flowers" and "Fuller's World".<br />
* These have been published as a collection with the name "Take Away the Flower & Fuller's World".<br />
* There are three German language publications by her:<br />
** "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" (Boje)<br />
** "1. Auftrag im All" (Pelikan Tramp-Buch), indicated as a licensed publication from Boje<br />
** "Schmuggel im All" (Pelikan Tramp-Buch), indicated as a licensed publication from Boje<br />
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Right now "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" is claimed to be the translation of "Take Away the Flowers". It is right now unknown (in the database), which are the sources of the two Tramp books.<br />
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I do not own either of the books, but from what I have read in several forums (e.g. [https://forum.sf-fan.de/viewtopic.php?p=196266#p196266 at SF-Fan]) I am 100% sure that:<br />
* "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" is a translation of the entire collection "Take Away the Flower & Fuller's World".<br />
* "1. Auftrag im All" is "Take Away the Flowers".<br />
* "Schmuggel im All" is "Fuller's World".<br />
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In my opinion this would be the only explanation that makes sense, and it is in line with what I have seen in other publications in the Tramp series. The Tramp books are sub-licenses of Boje that is mentioned in the books. In that case all translations would be by Siegfried Schmitz (which is not mentioned there).<br />
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Also, I think that the cover artwork of "Schmuggel im All" could be by Edward Blair Wilkins but that should be checked separately.<br />
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Even if you think that these changes are too much of a risk as they are speculations without checking the original publications I wanted to document my findings here so that others do not need to start from the beginning.<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Naut|Naut]] 02:54, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I think you're right in your assumptions, since both Tramp books are stated as licensed by Boje. Thanks for the informational update, I'll converge the titles accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:28, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Good solution that you have found. Thanks! [[User:Naut|Naut]] 05:08, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:37, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Eschbach, Abschied von der Erde ==<br />
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Hello Christian, can you help me to add this [http://www.andreaseschbach.de/files/abschied-von-der-erde.html story]? Thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 11:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure. Would you like to try it? Here's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?765405 an analogous example] (of course - or likely - we don't know much about the pages or the price). Only be sure to mark it as nongenre. I'll take a second look after the edit, if it's okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hello Christian, thank you for the example. Here is the result: {{P|836910|Die Welt, Samstag, 20. April 2019}}. I hope everything is correct, please take a look. Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 09:58, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Looks good! Maybe a note on the source of the shortfiction (author's web page) would be fine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Now with the link. Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 13:18, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== {{P|833362|Nova, #30}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, in this pub is a gap from p.101 to p.160. Should I add the contents? Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:19, 26 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:If you'd like to do it you're welcome. It got somehow lost in my to-do list: wanted to read & enjoy the contents in full before entering them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:02, 27 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hello Christian, everything is done (I hope). Please take a look [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:28, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Great work! Thank you very much! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:10, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Aligning notes'' ==<br />
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Hello Christian! What is the meaning of the phrase ''aligning notes'' as a justification, when you make changes in the notes where we are both PV? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 06:46, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It means to have the notes as in other publications of a given series. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:50, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Whereby your wording and your order of the individual notes are predetermined? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 07:25, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Not necessarily, but with 'Titan' it seemed somehow useful for the avid reader to have one orientation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:33, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: One other thing that seems more important is the role of Wolfgang Jeschke: he is credited as co-editor but doesn't appear with the parent title (and is obviously not a pseudonym used by Aldiss): would 'Wolfgang Jeschke (in error)' possibly be more appropriate? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:41, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Do I understand that correctly, that the decision of what may be necessary and what is useful for an avid reader is made by you? Other PV should follow accordingly even if they are the first making a different entry in the notes? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:55, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Well, the more there is in the notes the more there is that a user might find useful. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:14, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::Well, but sometimes less is even more.But you still haven't answered my question. So I can assume that you keep changing some notes of mine that have the similar content as yours and feel the urge to change the sequence of my notes, even though I am the first PV. Also, I didn't catch that the notes of a given series have to be structurally identical. Could you please guide me to the corresponding rule. I appreciate your effort. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:48, 8 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: If you feel the way that unstructured notes for publications where you are the first PV should prevail we can leave it at that. Sorry that you might feel I have stepped on your toes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:40, 8 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::Nice that you've got it. BTW, in case you haven't noticed, in practically all ISFDB pubs, the notes aren't structured. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:47, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Yeah, but the majority of them generally have only stub notes; that shouldn't be a reason to not work on them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:12, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::''Wolfgang Jeschke'' isn't the editor of the original anthologies, but he is of course the editor of the entire ''Titan-series''. We can't leave him out. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:55, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It's only that he didn't do editorial work other than for other translated works (anthologies among them), where he ain't credited. The contents for 'Titan' were selected by other editors, and Jeschke only organized the translations and the cover artworks; there seems to be no original content work he did. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:12, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: From that point of view you are right, but his name is associated with all 21 TITAN issues and is emphasized on the cover, spine and title page. It reminds me a bit of the alleged part, Isaac Asimov played as editor for the Greenberg/Waugh anthologies. His name was prominently featured on the cover. I would therefore recommend, just as with Asimov, that his name be kept. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 12:11, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Okay, I'm fine with that point of view. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:24, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Makroleben ==<br />
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Cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?364664 this] is Angus McKie. Same cover art as on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87404 this] book. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:25, 11 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Many thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:36, 11 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)'' ==<br />
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Checking the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?731973 edit history] of the paperback edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?731973 ''Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)''], I see that the title was originally entered by [[User:Galacticjourney]], one of the contributors, as "Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)". On 2019-09-23 you moved "Rediscovery" to the "Series" field. On 2019-10-14 Annie removed "Rediscovery" from related title records.<br />
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Yesterday, [[User:Galacticjourney]] [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Can.27t_log_in indicated] that "Rediscovery" is part of the title proper as opposed to a series name. As far as I can tell, there are no related books with "Rediscovery" in the title, so it would appear that he is right. Would it be OK to change the title back to ''Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)''? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:47, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Yeah, it should stay in the title. Looks like I just fixed the extremely sloppy editing that removed it in half of the places (in preparation of cloning for the ebook) without checking if it should have been edited to start with (my bad on that). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:48, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Without a second volume in the series, it is best to put 'Rediscovery:' back into the title(s) proper (which I just did; I also corrected the stated 'First edition' for the ebook). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:36, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: It is the first edition of the ebook, Look inside even showed it when I looked when I added it. Why would you “correct” it? Can you please share your research that led to removing data from the edition? The only cited source is Amazon and it says so. So we record it. If you have other information, please add your sources and reasoning to the edit. Otherwise, please do not edit something to contradict the cited sources. <br />
::: And apparently you could not be bothered to fix the titles that take their names from the reference title (again) so I will finish your edit again. :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:49, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: The statement for a first edition was obviously erroneous, the print edition preceded it. If it's stated, 'Stated first edition' would be right to add to the notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:26, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It looks like there may be some minor discrepancies between what Look Inside shows and what the Amazon.com record shows. For example, Look Inside says "August 2019" while the displayed Amazon record says "September 2, 2019" (perhaps the date when the e-book became available at Amazon?). It would be helpful to document these discrepancies in Notes to avoid questions in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:42, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: If the source and the book declare this as a first edition, we document that (or you add notes explaining the discrepancy). "Apparent first ebook edition" is nonsense in this case because of what the sources are saying. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:56, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: That's why 'Stated first edition' would be right, as explained above. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:07, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: With a single source, anything un-attributed specifically comes from that source - which in this case is Amazon and the statement "data from Amazon" makes it clear. Adding Stated is not needed here - but I added a note where exactly it comes from. None of that explains your "Apparent first ebook edition" from earlier today. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:25, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Weg zum Mars ==<br />
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Just a quick note to let you know that I have adjusted the parent authors of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854643 verified ''Der Weg zum Mars'']. Is it safe to assume that it was the only volume in the trilogy translated by Heyne? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:10, 5 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for the updating! I wasn't able to find the original novel (and Хачатурьянц) at Wikipedia or at FantLab. There was a German edition of 'На астероиде', which I'm gonna to add this week, but I don't know yet if it's part of the series, at first glance the book didn't give a hint towards that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:28, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: According to [https://fantlab.ru/work780752 FantLab], it's part 2 of a trilogy:<br />
::* Путь к Марсу (first serialization 1978, first book publication 1979)<br />
::* На астероиде (first serialization 1981, first book publication 1984)<br />
::* Здравствуй, Фобос! (first serialization 1982, first book publication 1988)<br />
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:: Unfortunately, since FantLab's bibliographies are author-centric, finding anything published by authors who do not have "curated" bibliographies is a chore. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:49, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks!. It was (theoretically) possible to search by publisher, but the publications appeared to be not ordered chronologically, and I have to admit, that I gave up after the first twenty-something. But I'll add the 'На астероиде' to the series upon entering. Thanks again. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:58, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== German poetry ==<br />
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If you have a minute, can you check if you can find earlier editions for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Need_a_little_help these poems]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 20 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's seems possible that the poems were published before 1905 in a magazine or a newspaper. I have found no evidence for this, however. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:20, 21 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Yeah, I cannot find anything either. I did not put the word first in the notes exactly because I was not sure it is first so that’s the best we can do for now I guess. :) Thanks for looking. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:43, 21 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Your capitalization changes ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Just a reminder to write moderator notes when you make extensive changes like the ones here: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5100882 Changes in every story] (or any changes really when other editors had worked on a record)? While it may be obvious to you, it won't be in 3 years. Also - when you do that kind of changes, don't forget to follow up on any parents that may exist (it is wrongly created and I am cleaning it up but there was a parent out there with the old capitalization. I would have also posted a reminder for the editor although Portuguese may need some reversals - European and Brazilian Portuguese capitalize differently apparently (why would anything be easy). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:53, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the reminder, Annie (and for the information to the editor)! Right now, I'm working on works and publications by Lem. Nevertheless, I tend to do other things that I run across, and maybe, that's not as good a idea as it seems to be (but on the other hand, every betterment has its benefit). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:09, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Oh, it is always a good idea. Just get in the habit of adding moderator notes - especially when doing cleanup. I started way back when before I became a moderator and now it is a second nature. We don’t need an essay - just a reminder note - in this case I’d say “capitalization” and be done. Makes the “what happened here” easier to parse. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:14, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Okay, will do so in the future. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:16, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Allan Quatermain ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5102776 This] had a very interesting price. Can you check to make sure I picked the correct currency when fixing it? Pre-unification German currencies trip me up occasionally. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:04, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Ooooops! Yes, a strange price that was indeed, thanks for the find. DM is correct. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:12, 30 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Orphan Perry Rhodans ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you figure out in which PR series do these 3 fit:<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843076 Perry Rhodan, #282: Die Spur führt zu Jagos Stern]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843074 Perry Rhodan, #281: Kampf in der Tiefsee]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843072 Perry Rhodan, #280: Die Weltraumdetektive greifen ein]<br />
They had been sitting on the board alone since March and are starting to feel a bit lonely... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:11, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And while you are around [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?856123 Perry Rhodan Sonderband] also needs a series. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:13, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for the findings, Annie! Will do the first, but the 'Sonderband' seems to be a one-shot so far: it was published to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the series, and there may be more in five and/or ten years. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:12, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Editor records need to be part of series in the DB. So either it is a magazine/fanzine (and has one) or it is a different thing and needs a type change. Your choice. I’d just stick the name of the Pub itself as a series for now. Or put it directly under the master PR series - surely it must be connected to the big sprawling universe in there. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Okay, you're double right: I did some research at Perrypedia, and there were in fact two previous publications in the series, different in character, though (not entered so far). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:38, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: Always fun when that happens, isn’t it? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:45, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tom O'Bedlam oder der arme Tom von Bethlehem ==<br />
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What do you mean with "The cover design should be credited to Atelier Ingrid Schütz on the copyright page." [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?594754 here]? I am wondering about the "should be" part of the sentence :) What are you trying to convey exactly? And there is another "should be" over there - both sound like an attempt to say something which came out weirdly in English. Did you mean "most likely" or "with a certain degree of certainty even though we have no access to the book" or "based on other books, it is expected to be there"? If so, the better expression will be "most likely" plus a note about the reason for your thinking that it is the case. Or just state where you got the information from and don't try to guess what is on the copyright page if you do not have access to it. <br />
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The way it is written now is as if you are telling the printer what to put on the pages, not a format that shows what might be on the page. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:59, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Noted. Thanks for the help! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:56, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Parabel vom Sämann ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331034 review] for Die Parabel vom Sämann [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362530 here] is connected to the English title and not the German one. Is it reviewing the English title or is that a leftover from some of the old conventions? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: In the same book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331033 this one] is connected to a short story and not the collection and a few more are going to the English titles. You may want to check them all. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: No, these are the German title and the anthology reviewed (didn't review the connections upon veryifying). I'll reconnect. Thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:55, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: We have a new report for cross-language reviews: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?301 here] - while we were fixing languages and splitting language versions in the last years, we forgot the reviews connections somehow. You may want to check the German ones in there - sometimes they need to stay like that so if there is a PV I will be knocking on their doors to check/verify anyway shortly. So if you have the time and inclination, some help will be appreciated. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:06, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: PS: Like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412301 this one]. Are all of those non-German titles really used like that in the book (as the review titles) and are they reviewing the original texts? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:09, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Yes, they are; at least they are titled this way. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:18, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I'll clear these from the report then later so someone does not decide to fix them. I'd add a general note in the publication as well if I were you explaining that (it is uncommon so more notes, the better). Thanks for checking! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:24, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Menagerie von Babel ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you check if [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2055389 this story] has 7 or 17 in the title? I would not be surprised if it got changed for German but just making sure it is not a typo in the DB. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:25, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, it has the '7' (and it even states the original title with a '7'). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:07, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for checking. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:27, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan #3137 ==<br />
Hi,<br />
could you please have a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?852244 PR #3137]? According to the cover, the author is Robert Corvus, but it's currently listed as Uwe Anton. According to Perrypedia, Anton was the originally scheduled author, but it looks like that changed. Thank you. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 16:11, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for finding this! That one just slipped through the net. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:13, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Converting to chapbooks and languages. ==<br />
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When converting to chapbooks like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5139193 here], keep in mind that ALL newly created titles will NOT have a language because the work does not have a reference title. In such cases, add the chapbook record only. Save it. Fix the language of the chapbook. Then edit again to add all the art pieces. Otherwise someone needs to manually fix the language on each of them one by one (21 of them to be exact in this case) :) Alternatively, do a single update but then fix the languages of all titles. Thanks! <br />
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: Thanks, Annie. I thought I had grabbed them all.<br />
:: You got the chapbooks. The 21 art pieces across English and Swedish had no language. All sorted now - just keep that in mind - these can be annoying that way. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Also what is the source for claiming that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391615 this] is first edition? [https://www.worldcat.org/title/mio-min-mio/oclc/7772523 OCLC] does not say so. No other sources listed. Same for the printing - OCLC does not specify first printing and there may have been differences that disqialify this record (sourced by this OCLC record) and carrying this cover and these illustrations from being the first printing. So how did you determine that this is a first edition? It may well be - but we need to show at least a source OR a justification to claim it so. And we need a source for the number of illustrations you added - OCLC does not have that either :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:16, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Will add the source. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:46, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which Wikipedia? And which pages - the book, the author, the artist, a combination of? Contents differ per language... We need a link to the correct one in the Web Pages (or correct ones if more than one is used). Someone should be able to follow our research when done online based on our notes - saying just "Wikipedia" is like saying "Google" :) <br />
:: And I do not see the 17 illustrations mentioned in either the Swedish or the English versions. Or the German one. Unless I missed it somewhere? So where did you find these mentioned? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Christian? Can you please point to your source for the 17 illustrations? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:57, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Yeah, well Wikipedia of course and the upcoming German edition(s). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:37, 6 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Tramps von Luna ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have digital copies from {{P|721869|Das große Robert A. Heinlein Lesebuch}} and {{P|670004|Die Tramps von Luna}}. In the first one the novel has 18 chapters (the last sentence is: Hazel öffnete die Augen. »Ist sie das?«), in the second one are 19 chapters (the last sentence is:Der Start unterbrach ihren Satz. Aber Roger Stone wußte, was sie meinte. Saturn – Uranus – Pluto …). Please take a look how the novel ends. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 18:00, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, the earlier translation was noted as likely abridged, I think that does explain the differences. I'll clarify the notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:27, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== One Cover ==<br />
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The cover I just added to Richard Bach's One is the same as the later edition; some editor entered a note for that edition that there was no credit for the cover art but there was for cover design and entered that, which is wrong, so neither of them should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:45, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This may be so, but [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Gzuckier Gzuckier] was the one who added the initial credit, so please do ask him for the reasoning behind this. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:54, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moon Quest ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Just a quick reminder: If you are adding any extra titles (covers, interior art and so on) during a novel -> chapbook conversion, they are created with no language so you may want to chase them down and add a language to them while you are still working on the book. If you first add the chapbook, then set its language and THEN add the additional titles, you do not have this problem. But when you add them when you are adding the CHAPBOOK title, their languages need to be set manually. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259461 Moon Quest] pinged in a report with both of its art titles being language-less. Fixed now. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:56, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks, Annie. I'll try even harder to expand my memory cells. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Alternatively, keep an eye on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?194 report] when you know you did some conversions the previous day. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:14, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== lub hnub qub tshiab - Neuer Stern 67 ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?825350 this] for me? Looks like the author of that single story tried to add Neuer Stern 67 but... that's one weird title on the whole magazine. And then there is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854606 this one] as well - is this a fanzine or magazine? Any chance you can find something in the German blogs/publisher site/something to get these up to shape or at least to make that first one less ugly and figure out the type if nothing else? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:25, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, but I can't find anything about the correct title (the weird part might be part of the title, but our conventions would imply to have the fanzine's (!!!) title first, I'd think). One thing I was able to find is that it's really a sort of newsletter for the club, so definitely a fanzine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:56, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Google translate tells me that "lub hnub qub tshiab" is "New Star" in Hmong (which may or may not be the truth - Google Translate is getting better but some languages are more challenging for it and I know nothing about Hmong to be able to do some checks). But "Neuer Stern" is the same in German. So I wonder if it was not a Hmong issue or something? But yep - under our rules magazine/fanzine generic title is always first in the title. The only thing I can find is [https://www.scifinet.org/scifinetboard/index.php/blog/64/entry-9817-neuer-stern-66-67-roboter-frankenstein-elstercon/ this] which confirms the story being there but does not have anything about Hmong. Thanks for checking! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:11, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Nice find! I'd think that the editor(s) searched for an exotic translation of New Star / Neuer Stern and put that one into the title to puzzle the readership (which worked!). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: That would also explain why I see nothing Hmong related in the issue description/contents. I had not seen the editor who adds these around lately but I will leave them a note as well and maybe we will get to the bottom of all this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:40, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Feinde im Weltall? und andere Novellen ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Need a German eye for a second. Is the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?402542 here] ℳ1.00 or is there something else happening with this - at the end (1907 will make it the Gold Mark so I am pretty sure about the currency but if that is also not it, let me know? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 16 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, it should be ℳ1.00, which was valid from 1871 until 1914. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:16, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Wiktor Piwowarow ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?335724 Pivovarov] is definitely not the [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 sportsman] but the [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%94%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 painter]. :) I fixed the link to Wiki and his legal name. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:53, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Ah, yes. Thanks Annie, it didn't occur to me that there might be two Pivovarovs (well, it might, if I'd be able to really read Russian - not only decipher most letters). I just wondered why the Wikipedia had the year of birth as 1957 and not 1937. Thanks for the correction, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:46, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: There are actually [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80 5 of them] that were important enough to have articles - just one relevant to us though (funnily enough 3 of them are born in the same year making it even more confusing if you cannot read the descriptions). Feel free to ping me if you need someone to assist with my languages. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:59, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Will do! Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:05, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Metropolis ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/metropolis0000lang; Saw you did some Metropolis edits after my recent edits; have you seen this? Says Second Printing 1981. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:43, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yeah, your Fritz Lang update triggered the 'Metropolis' conversion to SHORTFICTION / CHAPBOOK, a thing that I became aware of quite a while ago (but forgot about it, working on other things). I saw the second printing of 1981, but am not sure if it's the hc or the tp that is reprinted (the second seems more likely, but you never know). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:52, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Currency question: Peter Schlemihl's wundersame Geschichte ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646729 this one]. Can we safely write "Taler 1.25" or is there something else going on with this currency that will require a different format? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:01, 3 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Ah, I see the problem of the double space. I've updated the record to Taler 1.25. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:44, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Ministry for the Future title & pub dates ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'm curious why you've zeroed out the day-of-the-month for the title and several pubs of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2772326 The Ministry for the Future]? Whilst I appreciate that "street dates" often don't match the official pub dates, AFAIK [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date policy] is to use the official date, and - again AFAIK - the dates listed by Amazon, Kobo, etc for the digital pubs should definitely be accurate to when those products became available to download.<br />
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Losing this info is unhelpful for some projects I've been mulling over (but haven't actually gotten around to implementing, sigh):<br />
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* Analysing peak weeks-of-the-year for pubs - flattening everything to a 28-31 day period would make this less accurate<br />
* Doing cross-checks between the data in ISFDB versus the data I've locally scraped from various sites, to check for errors, delays, etc<br />
* Potentially looking for discrepancies in Tuesday vs Thursday pubs to see if stuff has been allocated to the wrong publisher (e.g. Tor US vs UK, Orbit US vs UK). In itself, this wouldn't be reliable, and would likely have lots of false positives (seems like lots of UK ebooks come out on Tuesdays to match the US), but in conjunction with other signals like currency or ISBN range, might help to prioritize the most likely to be errors.<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 11:06, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:The available (per Amazon's look inside) copyright statements only speak of 'October 2020', thus - as a policy - we use this as the official publication date (since it is the stated one: official statement ruling out a vendor's statement). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:11, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: But by that logic, loads of recent UK pubs should be submitted with a yyyy-00-00 date, because the info on the copyright page doesn't go to a more granular level than the year? (I have just double checked this with a bunch of recent-ish UK books from big 5 imprints, most of which were first printings, and all just had the year listed.) <br />
::: There's a difference, in that those statements mostly have a copyright statement, not a statement for a publication date. {{unsigned|Stonecreek}}<br />
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:: Also, I'm not sure that details from the copyright page of one pub merit changing the details for other pubs, especially if they are from (arguably) different publishers? The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5193936 UK hc] doesn't have a Look Inside preview on Amazon .com, .co.uk or .de, and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?795201 UK ebook] only states a year per [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ministry-Future-Kim-Stanley-Robinson-ebook/dp/B08C5DWVRK/ the Amazon preview]. (As an aside, the edits mean that the note on that ebook pub are no longer correct w.r.t. price) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 12:13, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Well, in the hc case, the kindle edition states 'Originally published in hardcover and ebook by Orbit in October 2020'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:12, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
: As long as they are properly sourced, removing dates based on copyright statement is IMO database vandalism. Christian, please stop doing that. We date books based on ALL sources - if we can date exactly based on publisher/seller site and we can add a note on that source, we should not remove the date because the book only mentions the month (or the year). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:00, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: PS: All dates had been restored as per the sources in their notes. Adding a note that "OCLC only lists the month" or whatever else note you want to add to specify that some other sites specify something different if you want but please stop removing data from the DB and leaving the notes in a state that does not match the data in the listed sources. Thanks! I really hope you had not been doing that on other books and thus destroying data in the DB consistently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: One more note. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?791721 this one]. We have a PV who left the date. They even left a note explaining the source of the date (Amazon.com). And yet you changed the date leaving the note incorrect <br />
:::* Should have not happened on a PV'd book at all - you don't "fix" other people's data without talking to them based on what you think the data should look like.<br />
:::* Leaving the date and the note not matching makes this a really bad edit - even if the data loss was not. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:20, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) The issue of using YYYY-MM-00 date values taken from copyright pages over more precise YYYY-MM-DD date values from other sources was debated back in 2006-2007 when ISFDB 2.0 was launched. At the time, the majority of editors believed that exact publication dates used by Amazon and other online booksellers were unreliable and did not necessarily represent actual publication dates. This resulted in a convoluted process of capturing the exact (YYYY-MM-DD) pre-publication date from Amazon, using it to generate the "Select Forthcoming Books" list on the front page, then changing the date to a YYYY-MM-00 date printed in the book when the publication was verified. To the best of my recollection, this practice was abandoned in the mid-2010s and we decided to keep the more precise YYYY-MM-DD date when its source is properly documented in Notes. It's similar to the way we add and document other types of information -- like cover artist names -- from secondary sources.<br />
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I don't think the old, abandoned, method is documented anywhere in Help, but, based on the discussion above, I suspect that Christian may be still using it. Does this make sense, Christian? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:38, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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Having said that, changing primary-verified publications like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?791721 this one] without consulting the verifier and leaving records in an inconsistent state is not acceptable and something that the reviewing moderator would normally be expected to catch. Since you are a self-approver, the responsibility to enforce ISFDB conventions and keep records self-consistent falls on you. Please make sure this doesn't happen again or else it will jeopardize your self-approver status. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:30, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Yeah, I was using the consenus you refer to, and it must have been debated even after 2007 (because I wasn't around then). The verifier hasn't been around for almost a year, and had the contradictory dates (stated month within the publication vs. day stated by a vendor). The consensus still is - to the best of my knowledge - that Amazon is not a reliable bibliographical source per se, and we use the dates in those cases where we don't have a more reliable source (for example the copyright page of a given publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:56, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: I ducked out of this conversation because I spent some time digging through old rules and standards archives to see if this had previously been discussed. I believe [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Stated_publication_date_vs._actual_publication_date.3F this exchange from 2012] might be what Ahasuerus is referring to? My reading of that discussion was that Christian's changes could certainly be interpreted as in line with that discussion, but also that that discussion was based on presumptions that might no longer be as valid as they were, at least in the context of new (2015+) books and/or downloaded media? I haven't yet run across any discussion that might relate to "this practice was abandoned in the mid-2010s", but my ability to go through years of R&S discussion has its limits ;-)<br />
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::: Re. "the contradictory dates (stated month within the publication vs. day stated by a vendor", personally I don't believe that "Published in yyyy" or "Published in monthname yyyy" in a primary source is contradicted by secondary sources that list a particular yyyy-mm-dd value - Where the yyyy and mm match up, of course - and that if we have reasonable sources for the yyyy-mm-dd, these should be used, and that these shouldn't be replaced by yyyy-mm-00 values unless there's a good reason, and if so, that reason (and the original yyyy-mm-dd value) should be documented in the title/pub note? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 08:12, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: Sounds a reasonable way to deal with it: I do know of some (German) publishers that do their deals first - directly - with their customers and/or special 'hardware' book shops (those that one actually can step into), and make it available only after that to online (or other) vendors. So, I recall that the date stated with Amazon was assumed to be the one that a publication was made available there (nothing more, nothing less). This has lead to the above statement that we enter this date when there's nothing better available to us (and that'd be the case for many new publications upon entering them). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:25, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: Amazon is not reliable for dates on OLD books - as in pre-2009 maybe and books that only have listings from external vendors. Things had changed since then. Multiple times. These days Amazon.com for new US books and Amazon UK for new UK ones, especially when they are from major publishers and when the publishers don’t move the dates are pretty reliable for dates. Plus there were multiple sources listed on the UK books here - all of which you just ignored :) The US ones may not have been listed but they are easily foundable and all agree on the date. Assuming that both me and John did not verify the dates when adding these books was arrogant (and how any of that logic for hardcovers applies to Audio books and eBooks that you also changed is a mystery). Let’s not use the German practices for dating US/UK books going forward. Plus as I said - for some of those Amazon was not the only source and “I assumed so” without bothering to check the publisher site or anything else is never a good reason to delete data. If you are not sure about a practice in a different country, please ask - don’t just assume it matches Germany. As i had to correct another publication “fixed” like that by you, i have a suspicion that we are looking at another cleanup efforts to cleanup after your edits… Maybe you need to spend some time with the help pages and refresh your ideas in how the site rules had changed in the last 10 years or so? That’s not the first time you are applying rules which had been out of use for a decade (dating of variants come to mind). :) <br />
::::: Anything else I can assist clarifying around dating of English language books? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: PS: The short version of the request here: The basic rule for blanking a date (or any other data really) should be "is there a reason not to trust the date?" and not "oh, I don't trust dates so I will always remove them" which seems to have happened here and elsewhere. More data is better than less data so unless you have a reason to think an already added date is incorrect, leave it in place, please. Especially of there is a source (or 4) corroborating. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:00, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Sorry, Annie, but none of your statements refer to the consensus that seems to still hold: we use the officially stated date of publication, when we have one available. And that the one stated at Amazon (or another source) isn't the official date was made clear: nowadays it is the date of distribution (for Amazon). If you could point me (and us) to the argumentational thread where the consensus mentioned above was changed, I'd be most grateful. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:13, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::::: That's not the practice OR the consensus. We date books based on all available sources and document our sources. We don't throw away sources and data because Stonecreek don't trust them (and don't want to do a search to verify them). Please stop removing dates on books where there is no suspicion on when the book was actually published. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:32, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: Yes, it is: per the discussion from 2012 referred to above this ''is'' (or was then) the consensus. Even more, the help for entering the date of publication explicitly says what to use: ''For books, to identify the publication date, try to find a statement (often on the verso of the title page) that says something like "Published in June 2001"''; the exception referred to after that statement is only for later printings. So, what else is there as a point for deviating from that? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:49, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::: Removing valid data is never acceptable. If you change them back and delete the data again, I will restore it again as we have a valid source to corroborate the exact date. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:35, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Christian, if you disagree with a moderator's interpretation of the data entry rules, using your self-approver privileges to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?2970434 undo the moderator's edits] is a completely unacceptable way to go about resolving the disagreement. It just starts an "edit war", which should never happen here. This is not what the self-approver status was created for; additional instances of this behavior or ''any'' other abuse of the privileges will result in their termination.<br />
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The right way to resolve this issue would be to post your arguments on the Moderator Noticeboard. If the subsequent discussion warrants it, we may take it to the Rules and Standards board.<br />
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BTW, to check the current practice, I have compiled a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_month&O_1=exact&TERM_1=2021-01&C=AND&USE_2=pub_ver_date&O_2=contains&TERM_2=2021&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication list of primary-verified publications published in January 2021]. Out of 126 pubs, only 30 (14 of them are magazines) have 2021-01-00 dates. The rest have full 2021-01-DD dates.<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Stated_publication_date_vs._actual_publication_date.3F the 2012 Rules and Standards discussion], it ended with MartyD planning to come up with new Help language and post it for further discussion, which, as far as I can tell, never happened. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:02, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Well, the help page - referred to above - states it the way we overcame to in the discussion, regardless if the help was changed afterward: if not, it appears the discussion ensured the text. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:41, 13 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Alte DSFP Nominierungen == <br />
Wow, Super, danke Dir für Deinen hilfreichen Links hier! (ch switche hier einfach mal ins Deutsch, wenn okay?)! Ich muss mich da echt mal einlesen und habe ja als ersten Projekt den DSFP nachzutragen, da warst du ja selber im Komitee! Paar Angaben auf der Webseite stimmen wohl nicht (copy & paste Fehler beim Übertrag der der Vorjahre) aber die ersten Preise sollten ich seit 1985 haben. Gibt es evt. irgendwo ein Archiv, wo man tatsächlich noch die alten Platzieren herausfinden kann? DANKE! --[[User:Jannis|Jannis]] 06:18, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, and welcome to my talk page! <br />
: If you don't mind, I do prefer to write in English, though you may ask in German, if you aren't sure how to phrase things. The reason is that this is a site for which the work is done in English, and other editors may have difficulties to read and understand other languages (and it may become tedious to translate things from one language into the other and back - which may be needed in case of information relevant to ISFDB).<br />
: Having said this, I will try and help you with the award if I can. Alas, there seems to be no online archive for the older nominations, but I'll try and take a look into my magazine & nonfiction stack, if there's more information to be found there (though for the very first year - 1985 - there was nothing to be found so far). Do you have any access to old issues of the magazine / fanzine "Andromeda Nachrichten"? The nominations should be listed there, if anywhere! And may I ask you about your background and how you did find out about me (because I think my being with the comitee was not communicated far and wide)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:36, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Sure, switching back to English, no worries! Btw is this the way the right method to directly communicate here? And sorry, I hope it's not spoiling a secret, because it's stated on the open NOVA website: https://nova-sf.de/eine-site and sadly no access to "Andromeda" :( Next task: I must add some info about my<elf on my page here :) [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] 11:42, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, this is the right way to communicate with the single members / editors of ISFDB. One more quite important page may be the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk Help Desk] where you can ask anything that you may find puzzling about entering or ensuring data. <br />
::: If you like you may also want to add information to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?318201 your summary page]. How to? Just click 'Edit Author Data' on the left tool bar, listed under 'Editing Tools'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:25, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Moderator Noticeboard discussion of the Perry Rhodan changes ==<br />
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Could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Unverifying_publications this discussion on the Moderator Noticeboard], which is related to these Perry Rhodan changes? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:11, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 2001: Uma odisseia no espaço ==<br />
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I see that you have edited [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?664749 2001: Uma odisseia no espaço], a primary-verified publication, after asking the primary verifier on 2022-01-27 and also asking for feedback on the Community Portal. Seeking consensus is always good a thing, but let me remind you what I wrote [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:AlainLeBris#Stalker on AlainLeBris]'s Talk page on 2022-01-21:<br />
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: Christian, it's been less than 24 hours since your original questions were posted. Please do not edit publications primary-verified by active editors without their consent. If you believe that a verifier has made a mistake, e.g. a name was misspelled, and the verifier does not respond to your inquiry after a week, post your findings on the Moderator Noticeboard. To quote the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_if_I_want_to_make_a_change_in_a_verified_publication_record.3F ISFDB FAQ]:<br />
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:* If you want to change or remove information, please ask the verifier first. If the verifier doesn't respond in a week or so, post a note on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]] and someone will help you.<br />
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: This is the standard procedure and all editors are expected to follow it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:15, 21 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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Again, this is the standard process and all editors are expected to follow it, yet your edits have repeatedly gone against the process over the last few weeks. If you do not follow the process again, your self-approver privileges will be revoked. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:29, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Okay, thanks, I'll do my very best! I hope I'll not be carried away again trying to help things making better. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:40, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art credit for Science-Fiction-Stories 79 ==<br />
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Christian, I've added the cover credit for Rich Sternbach to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?642914 Science-Fiction-Stories 79] as it's a variant of a Galaxy cover of his. I modified the comment about the indecipherable signature to note that the art has been flipped. Martin--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 10:21, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Many thanks, Martin! Great find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:44, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|632555|Bruder der Gorgonen}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, on the cover is a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/8/8f/Greenaway_peter_van-bruder_der_gorgonen_sig.jpg signature], maybe you can read them. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:01, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, Henna, but I remember having spent some time to identify this artwork upon verifying the publication but couldn't decipher it either. The artist's style also didn't ring a bell. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:35, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Als der Weihnachtsmann vom Himmel fiel ==<br />
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Can you check the ISBN [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?876827 here]? It is a bit too late for ISBN-10 and if it is indeed the only one printed (being a reprint and all), a note explaining that should be added. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:36, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:With this being only a transient verification, I do assume that this is most likely a cloning error. I'll update the ISBN. Thanks for finding this, Annie! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:31, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Bardioc ==<br />
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After your latest edits, the link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?553981 in the notes here] is not valid anymore. Can you find out where it is supposed to link now? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:25, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:It must have been defunct before, since I didn't do anything with it. Fixed. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:00, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Possibly. :) But it needed fixing and you had been around the title so had a better chance to figure it out than me starting from scratch :) Thanks for fixing it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:02, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Ring of Thoth ==<br />
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Regarding {{T|1094940}}: Variants are dated based on the first appearance under that title and author credit. 1890 was the original appearance of the story, not the original appearance of this variant. Doyle was knighted in 1902 so any credit with Sir has to be after that date. I have restored the prior date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:06, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Juvenile flags ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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A gentle reminder that if a story is marked as juvenile, you also need to mark all chapbooks which contain it as juvenile (and vice versa). A few of your additions and updates in the last weeks showed up on the discrepancy report (and are now fixed) but please keep that in mind. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks, Annie, will try to think of it in the future! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:37, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|2374871|Fabeln aus künftigen Jahren, in denen die Menschen in unterirdischen Bunkern leben werden}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, is this the same text like in ''Zeitschleifen''?<br />
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Ein Ingenieur hat geschrieben, daß sich die Felsen in der Umgebung von Prag zum Bau von unterirdischen Bunkern für die Prager Bevölkerung eignen.<br />
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''Im Zeitalter der unterirdischen Bunker''<br />
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Wenn man überlegt, daß die frühere Menschheit ihre Behausungen über der Erde gebaut hat! Welch primitive Zeiten das doch waren!<br />
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Thanks for looking it up [[User:Henna|Henna]] 12:54, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, it is: it is even stated as taken from the anthology ''Zeitschleifen''. Thanks! Christian<br />
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::Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 08:25, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 7. & 8. Reise ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I think in {{P|552030|7. & 8. Reise}} the date 1961 for the two stories is wrong. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 11:22, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sure! I do wonder how I got to this date. Strange things seem to happen... Thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:51, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Das Killer-Ding ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?390487 this] is by Angus McKie. It's a mirror image of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21342 Manalone]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:41, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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Thanks! Great find! I'll add the information. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:28, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Welcome template ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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If you are going to be posting these, please do that properly: it is <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> and not just <nowiki>{{welcome}}</nowiki> as the page for it [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Welcome very clearly states]. Otherwise you make it VERY hard for an editor to answer or figure our why their page appears to be locked (as the direct call opens the template, NOT the local version). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:09, 17 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Aera: The Return of the Ancient Gods (part 7) ==<br />
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As you did this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4929481 edit], can you please clarify where you got this title ("Aera: The Return of the Ancient Gods (part 7)" from? <br />
:* The "Look Inside" shows "Episode 7" clearly. <br />
:* The cover has just "7" - which is technically irrelevant due to the title page being available.<br />
:* Our rules for naming of serials are very clear: "If the title of a SERIAL installment is unique, e.g. "Butterflies in the Kremlin, Part Eight: As the Bear Turns" or "Ciężki bój (cz. 1)", then use the full form of the title."<br />
:* Even if the title page did not contain a unique title, the rules would not have created your title: "If, on the other hand, the title is shared by at least one other SERIAL installment of the work, append a space and a parenthetical statement such as "(Part 1 of 3)" to the title."<br />
So where is your title coming from? Changing titles from valid titles to invalid ones (which you may prefer) is not a good idea. The lack of notification to the editors that had worked on that title is also a bad idea (and you had been reminded of the common courtesy expectations before - although this being an oldish edit, it probably was before that). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:45, 17 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Guess I had only the rule for the parenthetical statement in mind as valid. Sorry! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:47, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant title dates ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I see you're still changing variant title dates to the date of the original, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5266880 here]. Please try to remember the date should be that of the first appearance of the variant. Also, do you have any idea where the 1972 date of the original comes from? There's no note explaining this. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:55, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll add the corresponding publication this week. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: It is always a good idea to add notes on dates provenances (or any other pieces of data but dates in titles are often disconnected from books like here) if you are not adding the book supporting it immediately. If that title with this date had been submitted for moderation, you would have been asked for the source so a note can be added. As Self-approver, the expectation is the same. We all have plans but life happens and things get missed and forgotten so let’s try not to have any data added without notes on its provenance? Can you add a quick note explaining that date? You can remove it when/if you add the book later. Thanks in advance. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Riesenvögel kommen ==<br />
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Ho there, Christian! Can you tell me what [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2226371 this] is about? Does it say what the original article was? Thanks.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 20:10, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm afraid it doesn't. It's about a new generation of giant airplanes. I can't find a corresponding title with that meaning with the Bob Woods page, but I guess it doesn't have to have appeared necessarily in "Future" / "Future Life". (We don't have the initial publications of Chaffee's artwork - depicting two to-be-developed airplanes - either; it's even possible that this is a first publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:47, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Geheimprojekt Venus ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have a problem with this pub {{P|370748|Geheimprojekt Venus}}. In the notes is a wrong parent title and the digest should have this copyright text:<br />
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„Abenteuer im Weltenraum“ – erscheint 14täglich im Alfons Semrau Verlag, Hamburg 4, Heiligengeistfeld, Hochhaus 2. Fernruf 3120 76. Alle Rechte vorbehalten. Alleinauslieferung: Alfons Semrau Verlag, Hamburg 4. '''Printed in West-Germany 1958'''. Für unverlangt eingesandte Manuskripte wird keine Gewähr übernommen. Rücksendung nur gegen Rückporto. Gesamtherstellung: Nordland-Druck GmbH., Lüneburg.<br />
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Please take a look. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:31, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rencontre avec Ovaron ==<br />
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Hi Christian. Concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5286359 this edit] that made the publication show up on the "Title Dates after Publication Dates" cleanup report. I asked Linguist to check, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#Rencontre_avec_Ovaron here]. First, you should not have changed the date without asking/informing the primary verifier. Second, his answer makes it clear that your "correction" was wrong. Do we need another cleanup report? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:10, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
Ps, see also the cleanup report [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:24, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Perry_Rhodan_franz%C3%B6sisch#Band_188_.E2.80.93_215 Perrypedia] has the date as March, this is why I changed the date. (I planned to order a copy, but didn't do that before the beginning of my holidays - I now have). I do assume that this source is more dependable than taking the date of printing. I'll bring this to Linguist's attention. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
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== Die Schwerter von Zinjaban ==<br />
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Did I err in approving the author change, I was just about to change the pub and write a note to the verifier. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:02, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, already answered on your talk page. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:05, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Any thoughts why the English language editions credit both, but not the German? (Amazon Look inside available on UK edition). 09:10, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Likely because Catherine Crook de Camp was at the time almost unknown to German readers, and because all other titles in the series were published as by Lyon Sprague alone. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:17, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for your help, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:18, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Golem 100 ==<br />
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Hello Christian. Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?414786 this] is not Oliviero Berni as the publication credits but Terry Oakes. The artwork is depicted in Steven Eisler's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1769794 The Alien Worlds] and credited to Oakes in the Acknowledgement on p.96 of that book. I'm going to make the change and note it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:47, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, do so, please. During the first half of the 1980s this publisher had real difficulties to give the right credits for the respective cover art. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:57, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I've made the changes and edited the notes. I pretty much had a feeling it was Terry Oakes. I just had to find the book it was illustrated in and check the credits. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:08, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Yeah: it ''could'' have been by Berni but is nevertheless somewhat different from his usual style. Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:26, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant title dates. Again and again ==<br />
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Was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325685 this edit] really necessary? As has been told to you a number of times, the date of a variant title should be that of the first appearance of the variant. In this case, interior art is not the same as cover art. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:07, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, it ''is'' exactly the same artwork (title & language) as the cover art, and it ''does'' look more strange that both works are dated differently. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:25, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Again Christian? Re-read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek/Archive4#Changing_dates_of_variant_art_titles this discussion] where in the end you promised to follow the consensus. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:31, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: I did. Dealt with: of course, the pre-dating to 1981 was correct. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:44, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: So nothing is changed. You still read only what you want to read. Explain to me why we have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?275 this cleanup report] exactly for this kind of error. I will not have the same discussion with you over and over again. You were wrong, and you still are wrong. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:31, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It would help if you do read the notes for a title. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:42, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I did. Again, interior art is not the same as cover art. The variant (interior art) must not have the date of the parent (coverart). And again, if you want to change the consensus, discuss it on the rules & standards page, do not impose your private rules on others. Remember the last time you were so stubborn cost you the moderator flag. Do you want to lose the self approver status too? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:52, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Sorry, but it appears you want to change the consensus: the note refers to the first known publication as interior art (there may have been a previous one, and even more contemporary publications). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:31, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: You're totally confusing now. Do you mean you forgot to add the interior art to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367225 this publication], or is there another 1981 pub not yet in the database or do you see an invisible 1981 pub under [this title]? Is it october or december? and where did you find (please, a link to that discussion) consensus to add an earlier date to a variant title? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:12, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: I do mean a separate publication not in the database: virtually all publishers issued regular catalogues of available & new (= soon to be published) titles, wherein the older titles usually just got listed but the new ones were prominently featured with their cover images; Heyne did publish those twice a year (in April and October), immediately predating their new Winter and new Summer program. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:12, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: So that's your new excuse? Didn't think about discussing the idea first did you? May I draw your attention to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Contents_never_included rules of acquisition] under advertising? I don't think such a catalog counts as a publication. If you want that, discuss it first.<br />
:::::::::: To recapitulate, first you change the date to december 1981 with no note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325685 this edit], and when I challenge the validity of that edit you change it to october 1981 with a cryptic note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326497 here] I.m.o. against the rules of acquisition. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:41, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::: They're quite obviously pieces of nonfiction that would have to be put into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42599 this series], though it's debatable if the publications are eligible (with the departments on sf taking about one seventh to one sixth): I do intend to use them as such, since they do provide information on publication history. But if you do like to change our rules of notation of first publications of titles when published within nongenre titles, please do open a discussion: there are masses of nongenre essays published within newspapers by above-the-threshold authors that would need a recalibration of notes and dates. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:59, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: Let me rephrase the question then. Do you want to use a publisher's advertisement of a publication to date a piece of interiorart when the rules state "No advertising of any kind is indexed". A simple yes or no please. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:13, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: Let me repeat my answer: those are pieces of nonfiction, not advertisements: there are some ads to be found inside, for example for the next (expected) bestselling book or featuring the works of a certain bestselling author (say, Colleen McCullough), but these works were also to be found inside the alphabetical listing, which was a listing of (soon-to-be) available book titles. (We are speaking of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalog catalogues], i. e. works of reference, also known as special types of nonfiction).<br />
::::::::::::: (Let me add that it's not okay to come up with nibbling at long-established series when the consequences don't serve one own's preferences.) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:30, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I give up on you. You can't even answer a simple yes or no question. You're incapable of admitting you're wrong in anything (see your first answer "it ''does'' look more strange that both works are dated differently" is totally against the consensus). I won't bother you anymore with things like this and take it directly to the community. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:19, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Let me remark that you would just have needed to read the answer directly before your question and you wouldn't had have to ask.<br />
: 'You're incapable of admitting you're wrong in anything': it does seem there is also somebody else writing here in this thread ;-). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:48, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Amok ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Boskar Boskar] has confirmed that Atelier Ingrid Schütz is only credited with cover design. Do you have additional information that caused you to credit cover art on the three unverified publications? Let me know if you prefer to make the changes or I will do it. 08:11, 29 May 2022 (EDT). This was me. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:48, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Who's writing this (please don't forget to sign your comments / questions) and what publications are you referring to? If this has to do with the latest additions to 'Richard Bachman' books published by Heyne: I have seen the credits with printings other than those already in the database. If you prefer I'll do a transient verification for those and fill in the missing notes later when I can lay my hands on the publicatiuons again. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:24, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ryan North's How to Invent Everything - nonfiction vs novel ==<br />
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Hi, I see you changed this title from non-fiction to novel a couple of years ago [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4777827]. I've just finished reading this, and whilst I don't think it's 100% unambiguous, I'd definitely consider it to be non-fiction rather than a novel. The time-travel aspect is just a framing conceit for the non-fiction elements that comprise the core content - although without that framing, I guess this book would be ineligible for inclusion here, so it's not irrelevant.<br />
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The closest thing I could think of to try to find a precedent for how to characterise this was in-universe fact books such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?31475 The Dune Encyclopedia], and I see that is also classed as non-fiction.<br />
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Also, I think you added the synopsis for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2601713 the title record]? At least for the British edition, that description isn't quite right - it's presented as a manufacturer's manual for a time machine to cover the event the time machine breaks down in the past, and the foreword implies it was written by an alternate-timeline version of the author working in the position of technical writer, not as a stranded time traveller.<br />
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Are you OK if I change the title type and synopsis accordingly? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 10:24, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My changes were based on the three German reviews, but mainly on the one by Kathrin Passig & Aleks Scholz, which was the most extensive one (I haven't read the book itself). <br />
: But if there's a framing story please do consider it being a novel: we have other titles judged for inclusion just on the framing (for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?874803 this one], which has Death as telling the otherwise non-speculative story). But in the end: please change to your insight. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:35, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. I have switched the types of the titles and pubs, and expanded the title synopsis and note to (hopefully) explain why the book is categorized as it is. Something I should have been clearer on in my comment above, is that there aren't any characters, plot or other elements that (conventionally) are part of a story, hence me wanting to classify it as non-fic.<br />
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:: Cheers [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 16:34, 8 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Okay. It's just that I understand the rules (and the meaning) for non-fiction to be non-fictional. We have masses of texts that also don't have any of those elements, but are classified (rightly so) as fiction; here are some examples: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?845711 Space Mail] (an anthology of fictional letters), synopsises & fictional biographies, and the likely most extreme, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57594 The Index], for which the title describes the form exactly, but is nonetheless a piece of fiction. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:52, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Caldwell ==<br />
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/TM-Caldwell/e/B00T0RFEG4/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_11; I suspected these much later stories were by a different Caldwell, and they were; this Caldwell's a woman. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:12, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I'll adapt accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:42, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Falcons of Narabedla and the self-approver status ==<br />
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Please see the outcome of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Falcons_of_Narabedla Falcons of Narabedla discussion on the Community portal]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:48, 14 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Falken von Narabedla / Die Späher ==<br />
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Please check the final sentence of Die Falken von Narabedla in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551087 Terra Nova 181] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?901149 Die Späher]. Are they a translation of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1946 1957 Other Worlds version] or the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040549 1964 expanded version]. The notes of both publication state ©1964, so the second is most likely. The final sentence of both versions are in the respective notefields. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:59, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for the idea, but I asked Mavmaramis to have a go at an independent word count estimate, which will help to determine the length of the later version. If both versions turn out to be novellas it has to be discussed if they shouldn't be merged anyway. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:14, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Christian, if you want to keep frustrating things, I'll just assume they are both the 1964 expanded edition, confirmed in your pub notes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:40, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hello Willem! The last sentence of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551087 Terra Nova 181] is ''Ich holte tief Atem und legte meinen Arm um Cynaras Schultern. Dann rief ich Adric, auf das er das Glück mit mir teile.'' and translated ''I drew a deep breath and put my arm around Cynara's shoulders. Then I called Adric to share the happiness with me.'' Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 17:56, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Yes, Rudolf's right and the ending for the version in "Die Späher" also fits the 1964 version. It's just that it still seems to be a novella, see my comments at the Community Portal and at Mavmaramis'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:09, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks. I'll move both to the 1964 edition. For you Christian, it is established that the two versions are very different. See the notes from Ahasuerus. Even if the expanded edition were a novella, the two should never be merged. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:58, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Okay, maybe i thought in the beginning that the texts were (almost) identical. Sorry for that. I also tend to think that we shouldn't have two texts with the same title type that tell the same story. We have established that for many novels, I think, in adding notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:40, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== FYI ==<br />
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Hello Christian! We disagree about this title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?382535 DAS GROSSE SPIEL] and I don't fancy an edit war. Therefore I‘ll introduce our difference in the Rules and Standards portal and open for discussion. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 05:11, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, Rudolf! I'll reply there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Puppe Maggie Moneyeyes ==<br />
I'm just clearing my own DB and linking to ISFDB. I got a problem with Chapter 2<br><br />
"13 • Vorwort: Wie Science Fiction mich vor einem Verbrecherleben bewahrte • essay by Harlan Ellison (trans. of Foreword: How Science Fiction Saved Me from a Life of Crime 1967)",<br><br />
Author Harlan Ellison; Nevertheless, at the end of the chapter it is signed by<br>Ellison Wonderland<br>Hollywood, California<br>September 1966<br><br />
I'm aware of the book/title "Ellison Wonderland", and I'aware of the fact, that Harlan writes about himself.<br><br />
Should "Ellison Wonderland" beeing introduced as a pseudonym of Harlan Ellison?<br />
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: Hi! I don't think so, the author for collections is typically only stated on the spine, the cover and the title page, and we use the credit on the title page for all of the contents written by the respective author. Plus: "Ellison Wonderland" seems to me more likely to be the name of a place, like "Graceland" was the name Elvis Presley had chosen for his mansion. Hope that helps. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:33, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== To Say Nothing of the Dog duplicate records ==<br />
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Please see [[User_talk:Willem_H.#To_Say_Nothing_of_the_Dog_duplicate_records|this conversation]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:54, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the hint, I have unverified mine and will delete it: it was in fact verified later than the other one (on 2011-05-05). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:30, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?907277 ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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You dropped "Editor: Stefan Bauer." from the notes in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?907277 this one]. Was that on purpose or did it go by mistake while clearing the previous line? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:56, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:This was on purpose, it was a relic from the first edition and is not stated within the new one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:08, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: OK then :) A moderator note mentioning that is always helpful when this happens - otherwise you may be getting a lot of notes making sure that a line was not removed by mistake. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:22, 1 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes, notes, notes ==<br />
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Hello again :) <br />
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Can you please at least add a note on the source when adding new publications such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?908987 this one] - even if you are not adding the complete set of notes yet. I know you will get back to it BUT a new editor will see that and assume no notes on non-verified new publications is ok and life can get a bit tricky sometimes so these may stay like that for a long time. I approved the ones on the board but... please remember to add just a rudimentary note on the sources (even if it ends up being a throwaway later when you expand) or verify on addition. Thanks for the understanding! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:30, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do (at least add something rudimaentary): In this case I wasn't sure if there's a 'Report' in it or not, so I decided to add the complete notes upon the dawning of knowledge. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:15, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Figured that there is something like that happening. But at the very least "data from source" or "issue added based on advertisement in issue X" or something like that is helpful. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:18, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Photos and Interiorart ==<br />
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Hello Christian! I have a query. You want to add two photos in this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?384702 Die Guerillas von Terrania] as new regular titles and labeled them as interiorart. I don't remember that photos are classified as interiorart. Where did you found this rule? Thanks in advance for your assistance. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:54, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Well, I've seen plenty of them added lately (for example for The New York Times / [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?899369 The New York Times Book Review] (which isn't even a genre magazine), so I do think it's okay to add them for genre publications. <br />
: Like the inclusion of excerpts meant as ads for upcoming novels (which weren't regularly included when we began), this policy also seems to have changed over time. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:53, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for pointing out that it has already been accepted. Now, I' m surprised, despite the fact that the guidelines don't specify it that way. It states that photographs of authors are not included. If so, the policy need to be rewritten. I'll put this up for discussion. Thanks again for your reference. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:05, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::It seems that according to the previous rules, the PV alone can decide if he labels photographs as interiorart. Sorry for the belate approve.Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:17, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: No problem at all, Rudolf! I'd also wish that the rules would be more explicit for photos. I decided to include them in this case since they were taken by Hubert Haensel, an above-the -threshold author. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:24, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Titanic Magazine ==<br />
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I question [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5383512 this submission] changing the date of the rollup from 2022-00-00. The year only date is standard practice. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:27, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: It doesn't seem to be: this only seems to be standard practice if there's only one editorial credit for a given year, otherwise it's meaningful to achieve a chronological order to have the dates ordered, for example by month. Please take a look at these examples, found without major effort: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?136819 MFSF], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1112309 ditto], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?993041 Omni], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2853007 Perry Rhodan]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:38, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Andreas Eschbach Essay ==<br />
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Greetings Stonecreek, would you mind checking to see if these two are the same? [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843203] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3068105] Tnaks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:55, 13 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hello, John! No, they aren't; the first takes the author's contributions to the Perry Rhodan franchise into its focus, the second gives an overview of Eschbach's role in German sf. I'll add a note to the second one. Thanks for the hint to the seeming doublette. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:44, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Hop Aboard Kids, We're Going to 1984: Seven Children's Books and Illustration, Art, or Cosmic Kitsch? Six SF Art Books ==<br />
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{{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} contains {{T|3068541|Hop Aboard Kids, We're Going to 1984: Seven Children's Books}} and {{T|3068542|Illustration, Art, or Cosmic Kitsch? Six SF Art Books}}. It states both of these originally appeared in {{P|293929|Foundation, #10 June 1976}}. There is no such essays listed in that pub. However, there are seven Peter Nicholls book reviews on page 82 and six Peter Nicholls art book reviews on pages 114-119. I am assuming these are what are being referenced. Do either of these review groupings have a overall title in Foundation, #10? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:04, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:No, it just lists the books reviewed at its heading. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:45, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Okay, I will make the appropriate notes. Thanks for checking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Dave Langford, who put {{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} together, has sent me an email about this issue. Here is what he says:<br />
:::* Foundation in that era added overall titles to reviews and groups of reviews: the coverage of the seven children's books and the six sf art books each formed a continuous block of text with the lower-case headings "hop aboard kids, we're going to 1984" and "illustration, art or cosmic kitsch?" However, these titles don't appear in the Foundation contents list.<br />
::: Does this match what's in your copy? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:04, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: David Langford is right: it'd pay to actually take a look into the issue. This practice only was conducted in the issues of 'Foundation' that were edited by Nicholls (and I think he wrote in one of the editorials that they were added by him, and not by the review editor). IMO they don't make the reviews into essays: they otherwise don't differ from reviews in earlier & later issues and are all part of the respecive reviews sections. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:45, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publisher's Pantheons & Consumer's Guide to Recent Writing on SF ==<br />
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{{P|293930|Foundation, #11 and 12}} has {{T|1540526|Publisher's Pantheons}} on page 101 and {{T|1541948|Consumer's Guide to Recent Writing on SF}} on page 168. {{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} reprints these respectively as Publishers' and Consumers'. Before I variant, I wanted to check these were not database errors. Would you mind double checking? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:19, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: They were indeed entered erroneously. It'd be right to merge those two (that is, four) titles. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:58, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Merged. Thanks! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Perry Rhodan Sonderband'' change submission ==<br />
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Hi. This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5415109 submission] had a title it used disappear, so I cannot do anything with it and you will have to redo it. I do not remember what is accessible after a hard reject, so I left it there for now. When you are done referring to it, if you cannot cancel it yourself let me know and I will do the hard reject. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 18:21, 9 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the info, Marty! (But I think this shouldn't have happened - importing into and editing a publication are independent from one another, or so I thought: is this perhaps a new bug?). I'll edit anew. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 03:38, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I think the update must have changed something about one of the content records, perhaps a page number, and the title associated with that record got deleted (most likely merged) after your edit was submitted. Whatever that submission was must have been approved first. I do not know of a way for me to tell what happened. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:07, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1118774 this title] was merged, maybe this was the cause? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:31, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperium ==<br />
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Christian, I have the following three submissions on hold. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416084 Second], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416086 Third], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416089 Fourth] printings of Imperium. The publication date for the second printing as stated in the notes reads "The month of publication was chosen to put this printing after the first one". The other two have similar notes. I'm not familiar with this practice. It appears to contract our standards, both in general and specifically with the Date: field. A quick [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_note&O_1=contains&TERM_1=month+of+publication+was+chosen&C=AND&USE_2=pub_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication search] shows that this is not the first time you have used this methodology. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:29, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Excuse me for interrupting but I am familiar with this situation. I have come across many pub records where the notes state that Month has been set arbitrarily in order to sort multiple printings in the same year. So, very early in my editing career, I tried to do the same thing... and Annie told me off (very nicely)! Apparently, this practice has happened in the past but it is no longer tolerated. You can see the discussion here: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:IanPercival#Foundation_and_Empire_.2F_Second_Foundation Part 1] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Teallach#Dating_and_all_that Part 2]. Unfortunately, we are left with a legacy issue of all the historic cases. You will find a lot more if you run an advanced search on publication where the Notes field contains both the words "month" and "arbitrary". [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:06, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: What would be better or right to do? We know that a later printing can't have appeared before an earlier one. Would we set all later printings of one year to the date of the first? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:16, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::I know you agree we have an obligation to ensure the record accurately reflects the underlying publication. When information is obtained from a secondary source, we document the source. Your submissions, particularly 'Perry Rhodan' are among the best I've seen. What you are doing here with the date field is turning it into nothing more than a sort field. Not only does it distort the underlying publication, but it also undermines confidence in the field across the entire database. Where does that leave us. We definitely do not set the date to the first printing. The help section is clear. If we can find a recognized secondary source, partial or full, we use that. Without such, we are forced to use 'unknown'. I know you find this distasteful. If further information surfaces, the record can be edited. I remember an extensive discussion regarding implementation of sort field(s). Hopefully this can be done at some point. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:09, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Okay! Would you please approve of the submissions and either let me correct the dating (or, if you prefer correct it)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:14, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Approved, I'll approve the date changes as soon as they hit the queue. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:23, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks! Submitted. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: I thought we were going with 'unknown'. Maybe I'm missing something, how do we know the subsequent printings were released in 2012? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:48, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Approved. I went brain dead for a minute. Ignore the previous sentance. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:05, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Will you commit to correcting all the publications where you have used an arbitrary date and abandoning this practice? If so, I will support your request. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:01, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #3186: Alraska ==<br />
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Christian, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416182 this submission]. In light of your note, I think crediting 'Swen Papenbrock (in error)' and then varianting to 'Arndt Drechsler' would be more accurate. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:46, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, that would be even better. I'll cancel and resubmit. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:17, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I saw [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5423803 this edit]. Did you decide not to change the cover art credit as suggested or did you want me to do it? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:06, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Blanking spammers' Talk pages ==<br />
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I appreciate what you are trying to do with spammers' Talk pages, but it makes it more time-consuming for moderators to get to the original text, confirm that it's spam, delete the page and block the spammer. Please don't do it going forward. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, just thought that sometimes the text may be not recognized and gets a base in our wiki. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kiepenheuer & Witsch ==<br />
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Saying "Now located in" is not a very useful thing - what happens 3 years down the road when they had moved but noone updated the entry? Not everyone knows to look at the History and try to figure out when that was valid (and not-logged people cannot even look at that). Instead use something like "As of September 2022" or whatever date you know they were there - that way even if they move, the entry is still correct. :) I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6131 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:04, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Okay, that's even better, though this is one of the publishers I keep an eye on: any change of place will be noted. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes (again) ==<br />
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I assume that for edits such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5426681 this one], you are planning to import the newly created parents into a book somewhere OR add notes into the originals which were not imported (for a date provenance). That should have been in the moderator notes (or even in the proper notes on the original) so that someone looking at the title before they get imported/noted, can trace why they have these dates... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:58, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Elephant ==<br />
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I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5426761 this one] too fast so I deleted it. The author name for this book is not Sławomir Mrożek but Slawomir Mrozek (unlike the accented characters, these two names actually can coexist on the server so these are two separate names in the DB). I deleted the book so you need to redo that one - but with the correct name for the author and all his stories. And yes, it is a pain with the Polish authors who have ł and ż and their names but we catalog based on the books, not based on how we wish the English publishing industry had printed the name, right? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:12, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: And while I am around - we have an <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> template for cases where you want to say "More contents to be added!". I replaced it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?916136 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:15, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I do think we actually don't know what version of name is stated on the title page, OCLC and the cover point towards Slawomir Mrozek, the reprint towards Sławomir Mrożek. But maybe it is better to wait for someone to take actually a look into the publication: it would be somewhat too tedious to enter all the titles possibly in vain. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:32, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Let me add that this addition was initialized by the SFE3 entry, which notes no distinction; do you think that this source may not be dependaple in that regard? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:11, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Unless you have a source contradicting the cover, I’d use what is on the cover for these and note that in the notes. Older English books are notorious for dropping any non-standard characters and I highly doubt that they used a different versions on the cover and on the title page. Online sources tend to overlook these and consider the age of the books as an explanation - we record as used on the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:19, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Unintentional deletion ==<br />
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Hello Christian! I have completely unintentionally deleted a comment for your request. I was not familiar with this "rollback" and I did not know what it evokes. Fortunately Ahasuerus noticed it and corrected it. So please accept my apology. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 11:36, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure, no problem! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:32, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Zyklus series and Series with Duplicate Numbers ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Quite a lot of the Zyklus series had acquired repeated numbers based on your updates in the last months. The DB is not designed for that so we have a report to look for these so they can be corrected. Can you please look at the report [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?17 here] and clear these? If you would like to propose a change in the rules/conventions/practices which will allow these to stand as they are, please head to R&S and so on :) If you cannot see the report, let me know and I will post the list here. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:09, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Annie, can you please give an example, because 'Only moderators can access the specified cleanup report'? I do suspect that titles like 'Perry Rhodan (1. Aufl.) - 1984' as by uncredited are meant, which appears six times, each time varianted to a different parent title (!?) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:33, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Looking more closely, it's more likely that titles like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1800838 Vorstoß nach Arkon] vs. the same-numbered (and in this case same-titled) [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1463714 Vorstoß nach Arkon] cause the problem (!?)<br />
:: It is the latter case - two titles with the same number in the same series. This is not a common scenario - the only other case we have that in the DB is a short story/interior art mixed series and I already pinged the editor who worked on it about it. And as usual, if this is not used that way in the DB, there may be underlying software issues when it is done (and having two separate different texts makes the series impossible to order properly. <br />
:: I wondered if the report is moderator only. Here is the complete list (series first, number that is repeated second, ignore the leading number (it is the report line):<br />
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231 PR Zyklus 18: Chronofossilien — Vironauten 1271.1<br />
232 PR Zyklus 18: Chronofossilien — Vironauten 1216.1<br />
233 PR Zyklus 15: Die Kosmischen Burgen 938.1<br />
234 PR Zyklus 16: Die Kosmische Hanse 1053.1<br />
235 PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel 214.1<br />
236 PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel 224.9<br />
237 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 184.1<br />
238 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 189.1<br />
239 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 167.1<br />
240 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 199.1<br />
241 PR Zyklus 3: Die Posbis 111.1<br />
242 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 77.1<br />
243 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 92.1<br />
244 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 56.1<br />
245 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 71.1<br />
246 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 69.1<br />
247 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 84.1<br />
248 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 86.1<br />
249 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 6.1<br />
250 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 11.1<br />
251 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 19.1<br />
252 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 30.1<br />
253 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 39.1<br />
254 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 8.1<br />
255 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 26.1<br />
256 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 2.1<br />
257 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 33.1<br />
258 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 4.1<br />
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:: Because they are all .1 I wonder if you were trying to do something somewhat creative but dumping them at the same number is not a good idea IMO. sorry for the formatting - these read better in edit mode - on my phone and formatting is hard from it. Any help you can provide clearing these will be very welcome :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:14, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, for the doubled numbers (like the above #39.1 'Vorstoß nach Arkon'): these titles all end at the same point in the respective internal chronology, they only were adapted in different ways. That's why I took to this solution. Christan [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:12, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: But the DB is not really designed to allow that, neither is that a practice we use and this is not the only series with books running in parallel… so they need to get untangled and get different numbers. Using the publication order to order them inside of the decimals is the usual solution with notes that the stories take place at the same time. Plus you may know why you did that but no one else looking at the series would know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:49, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::: Okay! On re-thinking this issue most of the titles will have the respective ending of the final novella anyway (for 39.1 the ending of 39), though some will have some changed or added ending. The idea was just to sort out the original novellas from their adaptations. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:04, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::: A subseries or set of a them maybe? We have a few other series where the original books were reworked/changed enough to require new title records and in these cases we make a subseries, add notes in the main series and in the subseries explaining the relationship (when known) and whatever number schemes there are. That way the series are also a lot more readable on the screen. Just throwing another idea your way while you are thinking on the best way to organize these. In all cases, write some notes on the series level explaining the special numbering - you know why you wanted to split them and why they belong where they belong, someone finding our records from internet who is not well versed at the Zyklus practices will get lost. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:46, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: I've thought about that, too. But since some the novellas were just translated, and the same ones were incorporated into fix-ups this would also lead to a (greater) mess. <br />
::::::: And for the French titles: they would then end up in different series (first they presented translations of the novellas, organized either in anthologies or collections; then changed to translations of the fix-ups). <br />
::::::: With more than 3,000 original novellas published so far in an ongoing chronology that was and is augmented with many additional tales, anyone hoping for readability or a fast grasping will be lost anyway, I think. But I'll add an explanatory note to the series; thanks for the idea. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:30, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: Series in ISFDB are flat so sometimes you need to make compromises and take into account how they are implemented and how they look on a screen when someone looks at them. This would be solvable a lot easier if a book can belong to two or more series :) As they cannot, we do the best we can with what we have. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:35, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Hochzeit in Atomweiler [8] ==<br />
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Can you please add an author and a language to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3085505 this poor title]? No idea how you managed to leave it with no author but it somehow happened. I suspect it is Daniel Mróz but as you are around and it is a verified book, I prefer to check. :) It probably also need a page number (or alternatively it needs ejecting from the publication and deletion). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:17, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Must have been a systems hiccup since titles with no author are not allowed when submitting (and I'm sure I also added the page). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:42, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It's ''very'' ominous that there's no record of my latest update when I added the additional pieces of art last week in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?410909 the pub. edit history]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Actually, that missing submission in the history explains what happened: the submission errored out midway through its run: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5432749 submission]. It happens occasionally (rarely but happens) and yes, that would produce a weird result. Check anything after that image though - as it seems it errored on it, anything after that may not have made it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:01, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Botschafter ==<br />
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What is the source for the date of the parent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5425727 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:24, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: A note on first publications in "Zabawa: Satire in lustloser Zeit". Sorry that the Polish chapbook was dated erroneously to 1981: there's no publication of it to be found at WordCat. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and note added. Please make sure that ALL titles which have no publications attached confirming the date (and are not parents existing just to move the title to the canonical author) have notes explaining their dates' (and if needed - their titles') provenance. You already did the research if you are setting the date, just document it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:01, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver flag set on the account ==<br />
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As per the outcome of the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Applying_for_self-moderating Community Portal discussion], the self-approver flag has been set on your account. Please use it wisely :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:05, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do. And more careful than before, too! Chrstian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 30 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== I Am Alive and You Are Dead ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/iamaliveyouarede0000carr; Recently uploaded to Archive, notes here say date source unknown but it says the date on the copyright page, I added link and changed 01 to 00 in date, you may want to add info to notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:55, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Zurück in die Steinzeit ==<br />
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The cover artist of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?491046 this] is not Boris Vallejo, but Tony Roberts, see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?276629 Survivor]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 17:48, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I ''was'' in doubt that Vallejo was the artist: there was no original English parent to be found. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:58, 15 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cartoon: Rüsselmops, der Außerirdische (Perry Rhodan Report Nr. 198) ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5443067 this edit] which impacts your verified pubs. Are these the same? Or should the second one actually be a different number? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:54, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Please reject, the later one should in fact bear the number of Report #199. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:10, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Rejected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:38, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ping-Pong mutations ==<br />
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Please stop [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?289 f#@$%ing around] or I'll make a request to revoke your self-approval rights. This is my last and final warning, I have clearly explained why you can't have it your way.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 16:24, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: I don't know if you're aware of this, but since 2020 someone's uploaded many of these books, https://archive.org/search.php?query=scheer+darlton&sort=-addeddate, including the 1 in question, which I've added a link to in a pending edit. If I may give you some advice, after that lengthy argument recently about the page count of some old M.Z. Bradley work, Falcons of ?, and now this, there are clearly several people here who have a long-standing grudge against you, and after having several strikes already they would love to prevent you from ever being a self-moderator again. There are countless things to be done here, even after more than 15 years of regular folks being allowed to edit (as my 37,000 edits in less than 2 years can attest to), so if somebody says something should be a certain way, just let it go and move on to something else. The alternative is losing your self-mod status and having to wait endlessly for a mod to get around to approving your edits, which has been getting much worse lately. Believe me, you don't want that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:12, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Please do make a request, Dirk, if you think it's up to a moderator's qualification to change verified publications without requesting (or even an information of) the verifier; this is quite below our standard, and you seem have taken to this habit lately. If you'd have asked, you would have been informed that the definition as CHAPBOOK is perfectly okay in light of [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive48#New_cleanup_report_-_Cleanup_report_to_find_CHAPBOOKs_with_multiple_fiction_titles this discussion]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:45, 7 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Okay, posted the problems you have at the moderator noticeboard. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:23, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: @Username: these additions/transformations were done in joined accordance, see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#French_Perry_Rhodan here] and the contemporary discussions: initially, the volumes were entered as novels, whereas they (from a certain point in time on and up to #199 of the French incarnation) contained translations of the original novellas, and thus need to be transformed accordingly. (This is one of the many things to do you mention). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:20, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Posting and the Watchlists and histories ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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A small request: when editing your posts, please leave the title of the post in the "Summary:" field under the post. Look at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard&curid=9221&action=history this history]. See how ALL updates (minor or not) but yours have the post name in front of them? When you delete that part when you are writing your own summary in that field, someone needs to go through comparisons to see what post you had edited and chase down the change making working through the board with multiple changes almost impossible to deal with (and almost ensuring that your edits may be lost if there are a lot of traffic - if someone does not have a reason to, they won't reread a post they do not realize has a new/changed message. So can you please leave the title of the post in the summary at all times? Thanks! 13:44, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, will do so in the future. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:51, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mitkey Astromouse ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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If [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1562 this] is an adaptation for young readers, then it is not the same story and needs to be unvarianted and to be left on its own and connected only via the notes. We connect translations, we do not connect adaptations which change the story drastically. Let me know if your note is incorrect thus making it a proper variant. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:46, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I'd say the adaptational part is only in the use of a somewhat less 'strong' language (more fit for children), and the story itself is represented completely. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:48, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Then it cannot be juvenile if the original is not. If if is adapted for children, it cannot be a variant. If it is a translation, it cannot be juvenile. You decide based on the text. If it is specifically adapted for children, I would never call it a variant personally. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:04, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: I haven't been aware that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5377091 an editor] changed it to juvenile, I'll change it back. <br />
:::: On translations vs. variant titles: there do exist translations that change the meaning of sentences, chapters or whole works into something different than the author had written. In this case I'd think there's not enough to validate a not-varianting. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:18, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #209: Im Banne der Scheintöter ==<br />
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Both Dirk Geiling's titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?921625 here] should be Interior art I suspect? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:48, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Of course! Corrected, thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Das Hexenschiff - dating issues again ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Can you please explain where did you get [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5273339 this date] from? When the date of a title is different from its first publication we have on the list, we either need a note explaining the provenance of the date OR that very first edition to be added. Same question for its parent and the chapbook it is in. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:53, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Same question for the dates [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?703780 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:55, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?3043856 Deadwood — Stadt der Särge], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040487 Der Jetset-Dämon], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3008984 Die Grabräuber], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3016229 Die Kreuzweg-Legende], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3038691 Die Vampir-Polizei], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3029975 Drei Gräber bis Atlantis], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3000479 Dämonenfalle Rom], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3034865 Geisterdämmerung], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040487 Der Jetset-Dämon] and all their associated titles (short stories, covers and chapbooks and the parents where they exist). Unless you are adding the older version of the book(s) immediately, writing notes when you change the dates are mandatory. Some of these had been changed in March and had been just sitting unsupported for 8 months... Can you please go and fix these? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:00, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And I found more... Can you see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?275 this report]? If you can, please get all the titles where you got weird dates on and fix them - either add the missing edition or add notes on every title where the date does not match the publications we have. If you cannot see the report, I will be happy to pull a complete list (in addition to the ones already listed above). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:03, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: All these associated titles were published initially in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1533 this series] and should have been dated accordingly upon entering the respective later publications (which I didn't do). But for the sake of it, I'll work through the list. Thanks for bringing this up. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:44, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: That’s great that you know where the dates come from but someone else finding them won’t know what they are looking at and if someone is working this report, they may not be nice enough to come ask you and instead will just reset the dates to what the publications show this losing your work and some of the data. As a basic rule, unless you are adding the first editions as well, each title needs notes explaining the date’s provenance. That’s not “good to have” - it is a “must have”. Thanks for working on them. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:02, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Stanislaw-Lem-Bibliographie ==<br />
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Hi Christian, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3097650 this title] appears on the cleanup report for 'Variant Title Dates Before Canonical Title Dates'. I.m.o. the earlier version should be the parent, not the variant. Was this on purpose? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 04:18, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes. I did this because the later one was more complete (adding new and formerly missed out publications & titles), and also because Klaus Staemmler was involved in the later one (and he seems to have added much of his knowledge). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:48, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks. Ignored, and thus removed from the report. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 11:09, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Can Such Things Be? ==<br />
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Hi. Please, if you have time, to approve [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5493926 this submission] (5493926). It's a lot of work. Many thanks. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] ([[User talk:Terraflorin|talk]]) 02:20, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry! I only am a self-approver right now; I'll post your request at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JLaTondre#A_request_of_approval JLaTondre's talk page]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:42, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::Edit has been approved. Florin, please add the variants to the original works. As the original was not all speculative fiction, if you find any contents that do not belong, they should be removed and deleted. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Only the fantastic stories were translated in this book. Once again, many thanks. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] ([[User talk:Terraflorin|talk]]) 14:32, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23795; Archive.org copy, https://archive.org/details/newworlds00garn, is 223 pages, not 219, in case you can check your copy and change if needed. I added a link in an edit to their copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:37, 29 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Prager Ghettosagen ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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When you have a chance, can you see if you can find more about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?923958 this book] in German sources - cover, format (hardcover or paperback) and the actual year or an explanation of the discrepancy as the two sources have different values). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:38, 1 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry, nothing really dependable to be found. A hardcover publication seems to be the most likely one, though, and the Czech source is displayed courtesy of Charles University in Prague, and is properly sourced, so 1896 seems to be the year. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:55, 1 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Yeah, I figured 1896 was the more likely and I lean towards hc as well but as I am not very well versed in German-language Prague books from the end of the 19th century, I figured I should come and ask to see if you can find something else. The Czech sources don't have much more (besides confirming the year actually). Thanks for checking! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:07, 1 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Einige werden überleben ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I've credited the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346875 Einige werden überleben] to Sanjulian and noted the original appearance, where it was identified as his work. Hubert [[User:Peregrin|Peregrin]] ([[User talk:Peregrin|talk]]) 11:52, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you! One more riddle of this sometimes improperly credited covers solved! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:01, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== World Cup Anthologies ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/agonyecstasyneww0000unse; Excellent work on A Book of Two Halves. Royle edited another anthology about football (soccer); 1 story is on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2382281. Other genre authors are in the contents; judging by the intro it sounds like at least a couple of the stories are futuristic, although there's also some non-fiction in this one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:02, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! I'll see if I can get hold of a copy of that one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:20, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::It's on Archive.org at the link I provided. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: I've seen that, but in this case I prefer to have a copy for reading (and hopefully enjoying). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:27, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: You had an actual print copy of Two Halves already or you bought one? Also, the archived copy of Agony is missing title page and copyright page and I don't see anywhere online that shows them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:58, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::: I bought one: the line-up of authors got me interested (and it seems that Nicholas Royle is even better as editor than as author). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:41, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Treffpunkt Knossos ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514044 this submission] that impacts your verified pub. Should the change (Baranek to Beranek) be accepted? If so, the publication record also needs to be updated. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:58, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, please: I'll update the pub. record accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:03, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== In Laurins Blick: Das Buch deutscher Phantasten ==<br />
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Christian, I added the contents to the existing hc record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?485933 here] and created the pb record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929721 here]. If you have time, will you look up the original publication dates for any new titles. Clearly it can't be 1982 since many of the authors died long before. Thanks for the help. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:58, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:You're right, this is a reprint anthology; some of the titles enclosed may have attributed with new titles, though. But I'll see what I can find out. Thanks for the link, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:02, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Correction: the last three pieces (by Franke, Frischmuth & Ende) seem to be original to this antholgy. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:12, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Die Unterdrückten ==<br />
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Cover art credit for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410907 this] is wrong. It isn't Alan Daniels but Tim WHite. I have had confirmation from Tim's daughter who stated "Yes it is one of Tim's" --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:03, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you very much! That's good to know. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:28, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick's Electric Dreams: Volume One ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'm looking at this set of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2275857 titles]. You and I are the only verifiers extant - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?639476 yours here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930999 mine here]. For mine, I've entered the book title (as on the title page), and all the introductions as they appear at the head of each essay.<br />
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Could you check yours to see if yours are the same?<br />
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I've put a call for info on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Philip_K._Dick.27s_Electric_Dreams%3A_Volume_One_-_info_wanted Help Desk] in case anyone has a copy of the unverified pubs. That said, and if no further information is forthcoming, would you as a Moderator have any objections to me changing the titling on the unverified pubs?<br />
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If you agree that that is all correct, I'll make all the changes necessary and post you the results back here. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:10, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, please proceed. You don't have to post the results, though, I'll take a look when the publicazion has been changed. Thanks in advance, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:41, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that :) I'll wait a bit to see if there're any responses on the Help desk. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:47, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nova, #31 ==<br />
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Hello Christian, in {{P|877392|this pub}} the page count doesn't fit.<br />
* The last numbered page is p. 326 -> ok<br />
* followed by a page with an uncredited photo portrait of Helmut Wenske -> p. 327<br />
* one page with a small ad for the publisher -> p. 328<br />
* the inside backcover featuring an ad -> p. 329 or not counted<br />
* page 331 (the inside back cover) -> it should p. 329 or not counted<br />
* Total page count 332 -> I think p. 328 without covers and inside covers<br />
Please take a look. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] ([[User talk:Henna|talk]]) 15:33, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Chiming in with the relevant help page: Magazines page rules are different. :) You count ALL pages PLUS the 4 covers - so if the magazine has 328 pages without the covers, it is recorded as 332. See [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Pages the help page]: "For magazines, the rule is to use the actual page count - including the cover. For example, early issues of Fantastic Universe numbered the interior pages from 1 to 192, not counting the front or back covers. This would be entered into the ISFDB record as "196"." [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:47, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Hello Annie and Christian, strange rules. Good Night. [[User:Henna|Henna]] ([[User talk:Henna|talk]]) 18:37, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== German Science Fiction Times Nr. 118/19 ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I have managed to get my hands on the Feb/March edition and on p. 39 it states that (a) with the beginning of February 1971 Moewig has changed its day of publication from Wednesday to Friday and (b) that Perry Rhodan Nr. 500 would be published on 26 March 1971.<br />
This means that our theory of the 'missing week' occurring in 1972 is wrong. Instead Moewig must have changed its day of publication ''at least'' twice, i.e from Friday to Wednesday sometime in the late 1960s and the back to Friday in 1971. Actually this is very similar to what Pabel-Moewig did in December 2003, when the day switched from Tuesday (PR 2206 / 2 Dec 2003) to Friday (PR 2207 / 5 dec 2003).<br />
I am still looking for older editions of SFT to pinpoint the first change.<br />
What to do: My suggestion is that we <br />
* change the dates starting Feb 1971<br />
* this places PR 493 / TN 163 on 5 February<br />
* The preceding numbers, i.e. PR492 / TN 162 would be moved from Friday, 5 February to Wednesday, 3 February with corresponding notes.<br />
Do you concur? Anybody else that we should involve before going ahead?<br />
Best, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 05:13, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, that sounds absolutely reasonable. I don't know of anybody else as PV for this period of time (1971-1973). Let's go ahead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:23, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::You must now be swamped with changes... It's done, please do me a favour cross-check the series' notes - just in case I got lost in detail. Many thanks! Best, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 03:34, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thank '''you''' for doing this load of work, John! Will take a look into the notes, but on first glanve it looks well done. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:10, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Image ==<br />
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Hi Christian -<br />
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Could you please take a look at [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Clive Barker Author Photo|this discussion]. There has been a third edit to change the author image and I think we need to reach a consensus rather than continue to churn the image. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:27, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Glukhovsky - Metro — Die Trilogie ==<br />
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Hi Christian, there's no PV for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?747217 this pub] but you have edited it previously. There's a missing length for 'Das Ende der Straße'. Could you sort it please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:52, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I'm not entirely sure if it's a novelette or a novella, but the first is more likely, so I'll change it accordingly and insert a cautionary note. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:01, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for doing that. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 11:06, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Valentine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?25420; I just did a bunch of edits for books from that publisher, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5583283, ...5583285, ...5583289, and ...5583290, which should be approved sometime soon, and I suggest that the publisher should be changed to Fragments West / The Valentine Press like it says in the books (or at least the ones I saw). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: No problem with that. I'll do the change for the publication I have a copy of. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:37, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tinted edges in PR pubs ==<br />
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Hello Christian. I have just verified {{P|872615|this pub}}, and noticed the tinted edges. Have you ever come across others like it ? Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 10:54, 16 February 2023 (EST).<br />
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: Yes, a few have those. Shall I note that for the ones I verify/-ied? Maybe it was done for a certain period of time, I'll take a look. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:06, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: For now it does seem that this may have been a feature of this bunch of publications, #s 13-24 (though #29 may also count: either its edges were bleached by time or tinted with a very light yellow). I only have a few of those and will add more to the publications next week. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:51, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::OK, thanks. I noted it because from my point of view, it is rather exceptional in Fleuve Noir publications (but rather common in early Livre de Poche, for instance). [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:14, 17 February 2023 (EST).<br />
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== Queen of the Country Problem ==<br />
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I need a favor. This was rejected, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5583237, and there is absolutely no way that I'm entering all that info again. Prime Books has been one of the most vexing publishers I've done edits for, and in this case the copy of Goldberg's posthumous collection on Archive.org which I entered 2 years ago, when I didn't know very well what I was doing, was come across again recently by me and the above edit was made. I think I've done all I can do with this book, but the WorldCat verification by you seems to point to this, https://books.google.com/books?id=fkTx3mYODQAC, which looks the same on the back cover but has a different ISBN for God only knows what reason. There's some confusion with one of these ISBN linking up with a P.K. Dick book or something and I don't know what to say about that, but I think Prime just messed up as usual. So can you enter a new record cloning this book, entering the different ISBN, and moving your verification over to that so this mod can un-reject my edit? Thanks in advance. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:08, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I think your submission was rejected because of the change of the ISBN, right? This ISBN ''does'' fit the entry at WorldCat ''and'' it leads you to the Goldberg book at Amazon; whereas the other ISBN is connected to a PKD collection at WorldCat. Is the latter one stated anywhere in the Goldberg book? (But even if so, the other one likely has to be also in there, I think). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:22, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::The scan on Archive.org has the ISBN-13 on its copyright page that's in my rejected edit while its back cover barcode has an ISBN-10, 0-8095-5636-7, and the ISBN-13 below that. Confusion sets in because as can be seen in my edit the scan URL is for a P.K. Dick book. I can only surmise that they issued a new printing with the correct ISBN because the scan on Google Books has a higher number, ISBN-10 978-0-8095-7308-0 on its copyright page and ISBN-13 0-8095-7308-3 on its back cover with the ISBN-13 below that. So I think the edition I entered is the first and WorldCat ISBN is second, so a new record needs creating for the second and ID moved so my edit can be un-rejected. In a weird coincidence, I was looking at the old Eternity Online site at pulpeternity.com for story links I could add to ISFDB and while it was mostly fruitless because they either only gave extracts from stories they published in their print magazine or broke full stories up into parts, some of which are dead making adding the links pointless, right there amid all that mess was a story from 1998 by Goldberg, "One More Vietnam Story", which was reprinted in Queen of the Country as "Another Vietnam Story" and supposedly original even though it was published nearly 10 years earlier. Have I ever mentioned how much I dislike Prime Books? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, I tend toward appreciating that I don't own any of their books (hope so). But for the problem we face: I think it's best to assume there is a later edition with the ISBN documented at WorldCat (at least, it only states the copyright year of 2008), and to set this edition to 'unknown'. What do you think? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:38, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: I agree. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:30, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Okay, done. I think I also have put in the changes & additions you submitted. Before you clone this: may it be worth a thought that the issuing with the other ISBN occurred after the 'right' one? (After all, the PKD collection seems to have been published only in the following year, 2009). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:00, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::This isn't what I asked you to do. My edit shouldn't have been rejected by the mod in the first place, they should have asked on my message board why I changed the ISBN and I would have explained as I did above here, and then you were supposed to clone it and move your WorldCat ID over to that and enter the ISBN as it is on WorldCat and the copy on Google Books. What you did here is add the alternate ISBN to the existing record. I give up. You guys take care of it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:21, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::: It's debatable if your submission should have been rejected: at least it countered the existing OCLC and the Amazon entries. And I did just what we agreed upon above. There really seem to exist at least two editions (or printings), each of them with a different ISBN. One of the remaining questions is: which of them came first? Since there doesn't seem to be an answer right now: maybe it'd be best to set both of them to 'unknown'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:29, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::No, because I asked you above, "So can you enter a new record cloning this book"; you didn't clone it and move over your ID and ISBN, you just added "date unknown" to the existing record that I created a few years ago, it doesn't make sense to clone that because the edition on Google/WorldCat is likely the later one; I see now that you also changed the cover artist and added a dash to her name, which is wrong because there's no dash in her name on the back cover of the Archive.org copy or the Google copy; it should have been made a variant. This book was confusing enough to work on, now everything here is confused and I really don't feel like doing anything else with it so you and the mod and whoever else can clean it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: If your submission would have been approved the ISBN would had to be reinstalled: there was a secondary verification for that specific ISBN; that is just plain ISFDB policy. If there does pop up another publication of a title with a different ISBN we do add a new publication record for it, according to our etiquette. The publication I added a secondary verification for is likely the later one, but that is not entirely sure: Amazon still gives a January 2008 date for it (but it's possible that this is erroneous). Alas, we seem to not have a date for the copy to be found at archive.org. That ain't nice, but seems to reflect our state of knowledge. If you can come up with hard facts about the dates or the chronological order of the publications: that would be appreciated. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:28, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Unintended link ==<br />
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Christian, <br />
Consider disabling the template [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek/Archive1#Photo_of_Kir_Bulychev here], it's linking your archive page to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Author_images here], [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Fair_use_images here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Photographer:Philip_Smith_Images&action=edit&redlink=1 here]. I happened to be looking at Category:Author images and noticed it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:55, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Hi! Thanks for the hint. I think I have worked upon the disconnection. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:14, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Submissions still pending ==<br />
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Hi Stonecreek,<br />
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I have made 2 submissions on January 27: 5560464 and 5560612. I got a welcome message from MagicUnk on February 13, but because my submissions are still pending, I have asked him, how long it could take until it's approved (or rejected). He told me that he is not able to make these approvals due to not enough knowledge about the Perry Rhodan and Atlan series. He told me also that there are already entries, albeit with a different date. It's because there were different editions. In the case of Atlan 154 it's the second editon and in the case of Perry Rhodan 215 it's the fourth edition, which are still missing in ISFDB.<br />
He gave me the advice to contact you. So, here I am. These submissions are important for me, because they contain some of my old works. And I want to use (the complete) bibliography as a reference for a possible new publication.<br />
So, I hope you can help me. If there should be anything wrong with my submission, please tell me.<br />
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[[User:Pinudeycos|Pinudeycos]] ([[User talk:Pinudeycos|talk]]) 07:57, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: If it would be okay that the dates, credits, notes and contents might be adjusted to the existing overall scheme (like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2793526 here] for the 1981 publications of Atlan (2. Aufl.)), I see no problem of approving them: I'll ping MagicUnk. <br />
: Thanks for contributing! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:57, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Thank you very much! [[User:Pinudeycos|Pinudeycos]] ([[User talk:Pinudeycos|talk]]) 11:10, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::My submissions are online now. I really appreciate your quick help! Keep continuing this great work with ISFDB. [[User:Pinudeycos|Pinudeycos]] ([[User talk:Pinudeycos|talk]]) 18:13, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Thanks for the kind words, and if there's anything you think should be added to our little database, please contribute and/or ask for help with adding. Also, please let me know when the republication of your works comes into the hot stage. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:20, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Plan D ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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When adding Bulgarian books from German and/or English sources which do not show Cyrillic letters, please keep in mind that Bulgarian uses the Cyrillic alphabet exclusively. With a few notable exceptions, that includes the author name, the publisher name and the title itself. If you cannot find the information as it is shown on a title page/cover or cannot work in the alphabet, please either leave a note on my page so I can clean up the record after you add it or just leave me a note so I can add the book and I will be happy to assist. Even checking Goodreads would have given you the correct title for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?941740 this book] although a local source is always preferred. I will be happy to assist with any other European languages where you cannot get the correct spelling of titles/authors/publishers as well. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:31, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Unfortunately, Annie is right: it's hard to get the spelling and other subtleties like inflections right when working with languages -- and especially alphabets/scripts -- that you are not familiar with. I have entered a lot of English translations of Japanese "light novels" as well as their Japanese language parent titles (mostly using Amazon JP), but my attempts to create publication records for Japanese pubs have been less than successful. Luckily, we have editors who are familiar with Japanese, Bulgarian, Russian and a number of other languages. Please don't hesitate to ask for help when you come across them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:31, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Okay. I thought that when OCLC uses the Latin alphabet this would ensure that the book was published using that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:47, 19 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: OCLC/Worldcat get their data from member libraries. Different libraries have used different data entry standards over the years, just like we have used different data entry standards. The result is that OCLC's data can be messy, especially for languages which do not use Latin characters. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:08, 19 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boken om Pippi Långstrump ==<br />
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We have the parent collection of three Pippi novellas as 2015 ''Boken om Pippi Långstrump'' T{{t|2937288}} with your title note "There may (quite likely) have been earlier editions". Does this parent COLLECTION represent a 2015 Swedish-language publication that you identified but chose not to add to the database? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:39, 24 April 2023 (EDT)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Pwendt&diff=659917
User talk:Pwendt
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<p>Pwendt: /* Man In The Window */ work in progress</p>
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<div>{{welcome}} --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 15:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Tough Guide to Fantasyland ==<br />
Hello, I have left a reply to your note at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#DAW Tough Guide to Fantasyland]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 15:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Signature ==<br />
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Regarding your question "Do I need a main User page in order for the four tildes to generate a User talk page link?"<br />
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To add a link to your talk page to your <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> signature you edit the Nickname field on '''[[Special:Preferences]]'''. I suspect at present the nickname is set to:<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]<br />
to add a link to the talk page make it<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]<br />
Because this example is on your talk page the example is displaying as "|'''talk'''" rather than as a clickable link. On other pages it will be a link to this page.<br />
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Some users are adding superscripts or parentheses.<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]<sup>[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]</sup></nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]<sup>[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]</sup><br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Pwendt|talk]])</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Pwendt|talk]])<br />
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If you don't want a red link then just link to the talk page:<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User talk:Pwendt|]]</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User talk:Pwendt|Pwendt]]<br />
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Changes to the nickname won't fix pages that you had signed earlier using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 19:36, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Done using 'Pwendt|talk'. This is one test. [[User:Pwendt|&#91;&#91;User:Pwendt&#124;&#93;&#93;&#124;&#91;&#91;User talk:Pwendt&#124;talk&#93;&#93;]] 23:29, 9 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks. Following exchange with Mhhutchins at the Help Desk, done with the same nickname and "Raw signatures (without automatic link)". This is a another test. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 10 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::As this test show, the "talk" doesn't link when it's posted on the page to which it is linked. Took me a second to realize that! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:04, 10 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Author data ==<br />
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I accepted your submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?176002 this author]'s data, but had to make a few corrections. The Legal Name field should be entered in the format: Lastname, Firstname Middlename. Also I changed the Wikipedia link from the German version to the English version. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:14, 13 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. I see that another reviewer quietly rearranged a First Middle Last yesterday. <br />
: I missed your note then, probably because I supposed that my "new messages" notice at the database referred to your preceding note. Now I will learn whether a reply to the *latest* message alone will turn off that notice. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:58, 17 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: Yes, it does turn off the notice.<br />
:: P.S. Just now I submitted a change for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1455224 that author's book], the correct publ date for book 3 in a series we don't have. Not finding "Add New Series" in the left margin and finding I am too tired to look further now, so i am warned "Unknown Series". Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:04, 18 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Don't be afraid of the "unknown series" warning. It just means we don't have it in the database, or it could be in a different name. The slightest variation will generate the warning, which allows you the opportunity to search the db or to submit when you're certain that the series name you've provided is correct. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:58, 18 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::: Thanks --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:32, 24 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Since you're making an effort to add the Wikipedia link to these author's data summary, you could simultaneously update the birthdate and birth place data as well. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:04, 26 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::OK, I'll use "My Recent Edits" to revisit those people at Wikipedia-EN. <br />
::::::Do I add "language: English" by default because English is my language setting?<br />
::::::I noticed one evident duplicate and didn't quickly find how to merge people, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?77305 author 77305] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?170359 author 170359]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:54, 26 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Demigod Files'' ==<br />
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Instead of updating the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?534240 publication record] for the first edition, changing it to a third printing, you should have cloned the record and creating a new record based on your copy. I've created another record for the first printing. Now you'll need to change the publication date to "0000" (displayed as "unknown") if the third printing date isn't stated and update the Note saying the data is from Amazon. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. Just now I submitted a next stage with this Note to Moderator:<br />
: Augmentation in progress, primary transient verification to follow.<br />
: This contents listing omits 5 "interviews" with campers that span p64-76; a puzzle, etc, and answers that span p134-142. None worth the length of their titles but is there an alternative? The text of the first story does run p5-29 as the submitted contents listing now roughly implies but the other two stories run p33-63 and p85-133 which is not roughly implied here.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:57, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: And Antonio Caparo, The Demigod Files (character illustrations) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1933227 ISFDB Title Record # 1933227] --a title that I composed as the 8-page insert is not mentioned in the book table of contents-- update with this Note to Moderator<br />
:: The illustrations featured in this copy are 8 of the 26 now displayed by Disney at the bottom of its Percy Jackson and the Olympians series page [http://readriordan.com/series/percy-jackson-and-the-olympians/]. As these may be the most important 8 among those 26 characters, I suppose that all copies of the book contain the same selection. I don't know whether this Disney page is one that should be linked in the public note; I guess not because I suppose the crucial content is not stable.<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:21, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::You should probably add the information that you provided in the Note to Moderator field to the Note field. As I've said before, the Note to Moderator field disappears, and should only be ''about the submission'' and not about the publication. It is used to aid the moderator in their decision to accept the submission. Also, you don't have to duplicate the Note to Moderator when responding to a message here on your talk page. It's unnecessarily redundant (which I suppose is unnecessarily redundant itself! :)<br />
:::You have the option to link to pertinent websites in a special field of a title record, which you can do for the character illustrations if you wish. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:49, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Done: submitted extensions to the Publication notes from material in the Moderator notes quoted here. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:21, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Foundling'' ==<br />
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Submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547462 this record] was accepted, but I made the following changes:<br />
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* Disambiguated the titles of works which have generic titles<br />
* Changed the title of the map to the ISFDB standard<br />
* Changed the credit of the pronunciation guide from "unknown" to "uncredited". The former should be used only if the editor/publisher of the work acknowledges that the author of the work isn't known.<br />
* Fixed the Note field to add bullet points to every note (the last one was entered after the bulleted points.) <br />
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Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:09, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Can you advise me what is to be done when a generic title needs to be reused --further disambiguated again. Or not. If "About the Author" in a book of another title is identical, do we use a single title? and if so fashioned how? If another map of Prydain is not listed in the contents, provided with a heading, or internally titled, what to call it? Reuse "Prydain" (map) with a different date? What if one of those titles if available and with what priority? <br />
: For example, the map of Prydain (c) 1964 Evaline Ness, in the same style but different in content, which illustrates ''The Book of Three'' *is* internally titled "The Land of Prydain", internally meaning part of the artist's design. And for example, I know by examination that Henry Holt reused "About the Author" in multiple Prydain titles and editions, if not other Lloyd Alexander books too.<br />
: Perhaps there is an obvious place for me to read the instructions or the discussion concerning these issues. (I expect to return to Prydain rather fully only in December.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:28, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Any generic titles, like "Introduction", "Preface", "Afterword", "About the Author", etc. must be parenthetically disambiguated with the title of the publication in which they are contained. If the exact same work appears in other publications, then the records will have to be merged, if they have the same author credit and title, or varianted if they do not. Variants are based on a change in author credit, or a change in title, but not a change in text. <br />
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::Maps can be titled based on a caption, or a title within the map itself. If they are not titled, they should be given the title of the work they illustrate, just like all records typed as INTERIORART. They are given the title "Title of Work (map)" to distinguish them from other illustrations that may be contained in the same publication. If they appear in other publications, one title should be determined by a consensus of the primary editors, and the records can be merged, otherwise each will retain their title and then varianted to the record of its first publication. If there are specific cases for which you have questions, you can post it on the [[ISFDB:Help desk]]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:52, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: Thanks.<br />
::: By the way, reading [[Help:Screen:NewPub#General contents]] i see that I entered correct page numbers for The Foundling (which I primary verified) only by accident, because the table of contents gives the numbers of pages where contents begin rather than the numbers of chapter title pages. <br />
::: Almost certainly I followed a table of contents that does give page numbers of standalone chapter title pages when I entered The Demigod Files [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?534240]. The last sentence of my careful notes makes this clear, "Text of the first story does span p. 5-29 as this listing roughly implies ..." (listing gives page 3). No disaster. Instructions show that a verifier must also complete the Contents list, whose irritatingly trivial items I passed over (same Note).<br />
::: Thank you for your time and good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::I would suggest in the future that you never use a publication's contents page to enter titles into an ISFDB publication record. It may take a while longer to go through each page of a book or magazine, but it makes for a more accurate record of the publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Throne of Fire'' ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to add a new record of this title. It appears to be identical to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346772 this record]. Is there a reason for not updating the existing record instead of creating a new one? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:12, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Hi, Mhh ;-)<br />
: Only that this copy specifies first printing with no date other than 2011 copyrights while the existing record specifies May 2011 without printing number. I know that s/he/we/they editors would not have the printing number in Amazon data but I (mis?)understood that to be the point of your note above that I should (and you did put into effect) cloned rather revision of the first edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547336 ISFDB Publication Record # 547336].<br />
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::That's because the publication you were working with was clearly indicated as a third printing. We have to assume that records from secondary sources (like Amazon) give the publication date of the first printing. That's why you should not have overwritten that record. Once you did that I had no choice but to clone the original to create a record for the first printing which would have disappeared because of your submission changing it to a third printing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:35, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I see now that Kirkus did cover The Throne of Fire with a contemporary review and provide Publ date 2011-05-03 that matches both month and day of our "Data from Amazon and Worldcat as of 2012-08-31." in the record we have. Kirkus Reviews ''The Throne of Fire'' [https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/rick-riordan/throne-fire]. This is relevant broadly (had I looked for it yesterday, say) but from you I infer that it is not crucial. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: I can't say I never thought of doing such a thing, just overlooked. For The Serpent's Shadow last week I replaced citation of Amazon with "Kirkusreviews.com gives publ. date 2012-05-01 from contemporary review (-06-01 in print) as archived."<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:59, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Publication dates are provided by the publisher to both the retailer (Amazon) and the reviewer (Kirkus). So you can cite any reliable secondary source for data that isn't present in the publication itself. I don't know of any publisher who actually states the ''day of publication'' in the books themselves. Amazon provides the exact date for 99% of all books published since their inception in the mid-90s, and that date can be used in ISFDB records, ''as long as you cite the secondary source for data that's not present in the actual publication.'' [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:31, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'm still holding your submission. If you believe your copy is the same one represented by the current record, regardless of the publication date given in the record, please cancel it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:05, 19 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::: I am traveling with occasional short stints online, only a moment now. Do you mean cancel this and augment the other record with the new data? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:54, 19 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Title reference content record ==<br />
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When creating a publication record, don't add a content record for the title itself, but only for other contents. The system does that automatically. So when you add a NOVEL-typed record, a title reference record is created for the NOVEL. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?548363 this publication record] and you'll see that there are now two content records for the novel. Let me know when you've read this so that I can remove one of them from the record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:02, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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You made the same mistake with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?548364 this record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:03, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: I see, that is because I am not adding a title, which is already in the system (and linked to a series in this case, "Mary Poppins in the Park • [Mary Poppins • 4]"). Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:57, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: If you use the "Add publication to this title" function, as you did in both of these cases, you shouldn't add a content title for the title to which you're adding a publication. (Hope that makes sense.) In the future, when you're creating a new publication record, regardless of the type of publication or the function you use to create it, do not create a content title for the work itself. I'll clean up the record and remove (and delete) the duplicate titles. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:19, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: It makes sense. The matter now is to recall the point when looking at an empty contents list. Thanks for your help. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:36, 25 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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I have provided a partial answer at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#A Wizard of Earthsea]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 22:54, 27 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Mary Poppins in the Park'' ==<br />
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I've accepted your submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?83118 this record], but not before cloning it to create another record for what is presumably the first printing. If in the future you see that the publication is not a first printing, either stated or inferred from a number line, you should clone the existing record since it usually represents the first printing unless stated. I also zeroed the date field to show that the publication date of this second printing is not known. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:45, 8 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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About the page count field, adding brackets around a number indicates that there is a range of unnumbered pages on which significant content appears. So they should never be placed around roman numbers, since that indicates that the pages are roman numbered. What were your intentions in this case? And what appears on the "+[1]" page? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:48, 8 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Page "+[1]" --or 283, immed. following 282 where the novel ends with "Chelsea, London, etc" in nonfiction voice-- is about the author, untitled and uncredited, in the publisher's voice. Now after rereading instruction on what to leave out --viz. [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Contents included with exceptions]] (sec 2.3 bullet 2)-- that it qualifies as "otherwise insignificant". Rereading the same Help, sec 1.5 "Pages", it follows that 282 rather than "282+[1]" is correct.<br />
: None of the 20 pages preceding page 1 carries a roman numeral number. The map, pp [iv-v] in my notation, begins on the second sheet of ordinary stock, verso and ends on the third sheet, recto. The primary purpose of roman numerals in the update as submitted is to locate the map on the 4th/5th of 20 pages that precede page 1. I think also that I was pleased to count them, find 20; count the pages beyond page 282, find 2; and calculate 304 pages as stated by Amazon, presumably from the publisher's count of 152 sheets ordinary stock.<br />
: On page xvii in my notation there is an untitled note from the writer PLT explaining that Mary Poppins 4 is unlike books 1-3. It isn't a novel in some senses the first three are novels (chronological sequence of episodes, albeit loose; MP arrives in the first one, MP leaves in the last one; etc). I don't plan to suggest that it be recatalogued as COLLECTION, because i suppose it is so commonly considered a novel that it would merely be confusing to say otherwise. But I thought it note somewhere. Possibly I introduced roman numerals because I had in mind citing this later as page xvii of xx.<br />
: [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages]] (sec 1.5 sub-bullet 3) together with sec 2.6.2 "Page" imply that "[20]+282" is the correct format or syntax if it will be done, with "[4]" and "[17]" page references for the map and the author's note if they are entered as Contents. <br />
: I will now submit an update that covers incorporates all this as I understand it ... done. Feel free to reject or hold with comment here. I expect to be here for only several more minutes but again in 12 to 20 hours.<br />
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:;Author's Note, ''Mary Poppins in the Park'' <!-- note to self for now<br />
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Have we no wiki pages for titles? Only for series and publications it appears to me now, visiting title Mary Poppins in the Park and its parent series and child publ. <br />
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:''Identical in the 1952 American edition and in this 1997/2006? edition/printing.''<br />
:"The adventures in this book should be understood to have happened during any of the three visits of Mary Poppins to the Banks family [books 1 to 3]. This is a word of warning to anybody who may be expecting they are in for a fourth visit. She cannot forever arrive and depart. And, apart from that, it should be remembered that three is a lucky number.<br />
:"Those who already know Mary Poppins will also be familiar with many of other characters who appear here. And those who don't--if they want to know them more intimately--can find them in the earlier volumes. // P. L. T.<br />
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== Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach ==<br />
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I have replied to your message at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 07:17, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I added another reply to [[User talk:Marc Kupper#Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 08:21, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Author's Note (Mary Poppins Opens the Door)" ==<br />
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I changed the date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1942007 this record] from 1943 to 1944. We use the date a work is first published, not when it was written. It's highly probable that this appeared in the first publication of the novel. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:29, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I also found the date when [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1941942 this essay] was first published. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:48, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. In fact I thought to enter the original paper as a New Essay, based on data in the omnibus pp 1022-24, but I didn't see how to add new essay *and* it occurred to me that, if unpublished, it should not be in the database at all. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:40, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, it was published...but in a nongenre publication. That's why I recorded it in the Note field and changed the date of the record to the date of its first publication. We wouldn't use the date on which the paper was presented, since that doesn't represent an actual publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:30, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== 2nd printing of ''The Black Cauldron'' ==<br />
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When you cloned the record for the first printing to create [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551383 this record] for the second printing, you kept the original publication date. I have changed it to "0000". Be careful when cloning that you carefully examine the data in each field that is being retained. I personally do not use the "Clone This Pub" function if the publication isn't a container-typed record, i.e. a COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, or OMNIBUS. I use the "Add Publication to This Title" function for NOVEL-typed records. This avoids the strong possibility of copying the wrong data to a new publication record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:21, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Creating Bibliography and Biography wiki pages ==<br />
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When creating [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:Margot_Zemach this page], you removed the template which links it back to the author's summary page in the database. There's a warning at the time of creation that tells editors to not remove the header which looks like this:<br />
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Once you've acknowledged reading this message, I will restore the template so that the page is linked. Keep this in mind in the future when creating any bibliography or biography pages on wiki. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Yes I have read this and I have read the deletion log notice at [[Bio:Margot Zemach]] --which turned from blue to red as I was writing you about that very point. Blue preview, red save! --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:43, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I've restored the link by adding the template <nowiki>{{AuthorHeader}}</nowiki> to the top of the page. If you come across any other Bibliographic comments wiki page without a link back to the database, simply add that template in an edit to the page. By the same principle, you can add <nowiki><br />
{{BioHeader}}</nowiki> to a Biography page with a missing link. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:56, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Wolves of Willoughby Chase'' ==<br />
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I'm not sure if there should be two separate records for the interior art in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?552854 this publication]. From your notes it appears that the two artists are the same. Also, there's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50348 another record] for what is almost the same edition. The only difference is the price, and being from a secondary source, it's suspect. 01:21, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]]<br />
: The cover designs do not match (re Amazon we have discussed that some online sources mix-and-match cover images and editions/printings; I know that is true of WorldCat also). The cover design of my book matches the 3rd and 5th images in our [ [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/titlecovers.cgi?13699 current display of all covers], rather than the 2nd image or the 8th 13th and 15th images, all from the same cover art by Edward Gorey. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:11, 25 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I've pointed out earlier that the cover images attached to unverified records should not be the basis for creating separate records, especially if that's the only difference. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:24, 26 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it best to enter interiorart data based on what is explicit in the book. With time for some exploration now, I find confirmation at CopyrightEncyclopedia.com, a source new to me. [http://www.copyrightencyclopedia.com/the-wolves-of-willoughby-chase-by-joan-aiken-illustrated-by/ "''The Wolves'' ... by Pat Marriott, pseud. of Patricia Eleanor Howard"]. To me it seems clear that both names should be in the database with this note and I will submit the pseudonym--legalname relation now, no action on the two interiorart records. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:11, 25 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Now i submitted only Howard as legal name of Marriott. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:23, 25 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::But according to your record the book explicitly credits Pat Marriott on the title page as the illustrator. We don't use copyright data to determine credit unless there is no other credit in the publication. If all the illustrations are by the same person, there's no reason to create a separate content record for another name credited on the copyright page. If you've determined that her legal name was "Patricia Eleanor Howard", and unless there is not a record which explicitly credits Howard, then we don't need to create a pseudonym and variant. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:24, 26 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: I was able to ascertain the identity of Patricia Eleanor Howard and Pat Marriott --that is, to find the one source CopyrightEncyclopedia.com linked above-- only later and upon some investigation. I think you suggest, or urge, that Patricia Eleanor Howard appear in the Legal Name and Note fields of the database only; not Alternative Names until if/when we have some genre publication published under that name. So the INTERIORART title that I created should be deleted rather than "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work", which would make [P.E.H.] one of Pat Marriott Alternate Names. [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, the publication record should only contain a single content record for the work as it is credited in the publication. Any variants are created for titles but that should be no concern when you're working from a publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Supposing one INTERIORART content for this book (perhaps to be used eventually for all U.S. eds and some later U.K. eds illustrated by Marriott), I think it should carry the later date 1963. That is, maintain at least two Wolves of Willoughby Chase interiorart titles for Marriott rather than one (merge all) the 1962 date of the first ed. I say this by analogy to the expansion of a SHORTFICTION or fix-up of a COLLECTION (or a collection of SHORTFICTION never published as a COLLECTION) as a NOVEL. Do you agree? [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::It should carry the date of the publication unless it can be determined that the work appears in an earlier publication. Even if we have yet to create a record for the publication, you can change the date of any later reprints of the same work. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Somewhere, presumably under Help:, there is stricture concerning the merger of interiorart records for a single fiction title, to proceed iirc only if the full set of illustrations is used in both editions. I don't find it easily now and may recall incorrectly. [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::My opinion: This is basically a '''fiction''' database (the "F" in ISFDB), and any effort to record individual works of art is beyond the purposes of this database. If we know an artist illustrated a novel, and that a later printing of that novel contain illustrations from the same artist, it's not incumbent upon the editor to confirm that all of the illustrations are identical before merging the title records which represent '''the illustrating of the novel'''. Requiring that an ISFDB editor make such positive identification of each interior art record would be impossible. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: I wait for reply before any editing of ''The Wolves'' records. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hello, in the note field, you should use the HTML syntax (with tags) instead of the wiki one (with brackets). If not, it will lead to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?552975 such display]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:49, 26 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Notifying primary verifiers of changes to PV records ==<br />
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It is ISFDB policy to first discuss most changes to primary verified records with the verifying editors before making those changes. If you're adding notes to the record, you can usually do the notification simultaneously with the submission. Most editors have a notification preference at the top of their talk pages. I had to reject the submission to add contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11134 this PV record] for that reason. (Also, because the title and author of one of the content records was reversed, e.g. an essay titled "Bill Fawcett" authored by "Introduction...".) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:33, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I just noticed that had discussed it with the editor. (It was from about a week ago and I missed it.) I will try to reconstruct the changes to the notes, and enter the contents (correctly credited and titled). Again, sorry. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:36, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I see you made a subsequent submission to make the corrections. Rejecting the first submission before making a second submission to correct it would have been better, especially if I had accepted the submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:39, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Yearling ed. of ''Peter Graves'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?554604 this publication]: the format of the catalog number as it appears on the spine, "440-6889-075", is an early method some publishers used for paperbacks. The first three digits are the SBN-assigned publisher number which later became part of the ISBN. The second set of numbers is the publisher's catalog number. And the last set of numbers is the price designation. The catalog number, in this case "6889", would usually appear on the front cover as well. If there is no other number on the book, you can enter this number into the ISBN/Catalog # field of the ISFDB record, preceded by the "#" symbol. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:43, 6 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: (as I said) Back cover "010-014" may be catalog number but ...<br />
: Probably that means recommended ages 10 to 14. I'll get back to it but not today. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover: The Sea of Monsters ==<br />
:::: ''export notes to self [mistakenly posted here last hour 18:36, from both top and bottom of this section to [[User talk:Pwendt#Rick Riordan]] --Pwendt 19:38''<br />
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Hello, I've rejected your submission to change the date to 2014 for a 2006 publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1130253 here]. Can you be more precise regarding what you're intending to achieve? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 19:16, 9 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: My Recent Edits shows that you accepted at 14:14:41 so I surmise that you returned to undo that by hand (and database 14:14:41 is wiki 19:41, or one or the other displays the hour as relatively). Now I see too that the same change of date was accepted 2015-12-17 22:47:28 along with the prose Note (mine).<br />
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: I was trying correctly to date the cover art by John Rocco whose image we link there, per explanation in the Note. Of course, it was not used on the cover of the listed 2006 publication, which was perhaps the first edition of the novel --not verified, so correction of the cover image is for its someday primary verifier to correct, right?<br />
: What happens if the cover record is unlinked from the only publication that currently links it?<br />
: FYI the displayed cover is used in the 2014 boxed set where we display an image of the box with three books inside it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?445539 Publ 445539].<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:02, 9 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::As I understand what you wrote, the cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82094 for this publication] is not the correct one (it's a later -2014- cover art). If you're sure of this and depending on the data you have, don't hesitate to (either) 1) change the cover of the 2006 publication by uploading the correct one (use the "Upload new cover scan" and enter the URL), 2) link the 2006 publication to another correct amazon cover (just change the URL), 3) completely remove the cover record (via "Remove Titles From This Pub") leaving the 2006 publication as a coverless record (which is perfectly authorized as it's not PVed). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 09:11, 10 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: As an aside, I wonder whether moderators (not I) are able to check whether the field Image URL has been revised since a publication record was primary verified? (I know that the manual urges editors to be cautious about revising primary verified records, and to give notice at the user pages of the primary verifiers before/when they submit such revisions, and that some moderators check for such notices before they approve such submissions.) <br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::When the amazon (or ISFDB) URL is changed, the submission passes in the moderator's queue and is approved (we saw both the old and new images) so there's a limited check (personally, I tend to trust what's submitted and don't always check the covers' precise dates). The only case when there's no check is when a new image is uploaded via the "upload cover scan" which is a non-moderator-approved process. But, as we're limited in disk space, the moderators "hunt" for images with multiple versions, allowing for some degree of control. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:21, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: ''export notes to self [mistakenly posted here last hour 18:36, from both top and bottom of this section to [[User talk:Pwendt#Rick Riordan]]'' --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:38, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Harcourt Young Classics ed. of ''Mary Poppins'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?555136 this record]: I changed the publication date from "1934" to "0000" (displayed as "unknown"). Nothing in your notes indicate this printing was published in 1934, and with an ISBN, it's impossible. Also, can you confirm how the publisher is stated on the title page? Harcourt Young Classics appears to be an imprint of Harcourt. According to the Amazon "Look Inside", the publisher is "Harcourt, Inc." which we enter as simply "Harcourt". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:45, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Title page displays "Harcourt, Inc."; copyright page gives street address including "Harcourt, Inc."<br />
: I presume that all of Harcourt Young Classics, Odyssey Classics, HMH Children's Books, HMH Books for Young Readers --from this book and other recent eds of Mary Poppins here and at Amazon-- are imprints of Harcourt or prev. Harcourt & World, Harcourt Brace, HBJ; subseq. Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, etc. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:56, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::It is ISFDB standard (whether its documented or not) to use the title page publisher credit when possible. So the record should be changed to give "Harcourt" as the publisher. Imprints are entered if they are present on the title page. For example, all current books from William Morrow have the title page credit "William Morrow" (over) "An imprint of HarperCollinsPublishers" which we enter as "William Morrow / HarperCollins". If a publisher becomes an imprint (like William Morrow), we can easily track the publisher history by separating the books as published. If a book is reprinted under a subsequent incarnation of a publisher, then the ISFDB record must give the publisher as credited in the printing of the book which it records, whether it is Harcourt & World, Harcourt Brace, HBJ, etc. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Do you refer to your aspiration to get away from entering imprints in the Publisher field, as we routinely do? (Skim 'Ha' or 'Ho' in the publisher directory.) Or growing consensus? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:56, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::The publisher field is the only place we have to record imprints. If by "you" you're referring to the collective editors, I can't say. I, personally, have no aspirations to change the current way imprints are entered. There may have been some talk in the past to create a separate field but there's been no discussion about it lately. You can raise the subject on the Community Portal page to see if there's a chance of a change in the foreseeable future. If we do create a separate field for the imprint, then it should be easy to do system-generated edits to the records without manually editing thousands of records...but only if the editors who created and/or updated them have used the current method of separating imprint from publisher in the publisher field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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If I understand you correctly "Harcourt Young Classics" in the publisher field only as "Harcourt Young Classics / Harcourt". (The former now appears in the publisher directory(*) and the latter does not. I looked this up before submitting Harcourt Young Classics as the publisher.<br />
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On the general point, I meant in other words whether this is a plan to curate the publisher directory, presumably to eliminate entries such as "Dell Yearling" (imprint) and "Dell Yearling Newbery" (imprint and publication series) in favor of entries that identify the publisher properly -- with a slash followed by Doubleday, Dell or Bantam, Doubleday, Dell or whatever. (At the moment there is no slash entry in the directory alphabetized with "Dell Yearling".)<br />
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For publishers --that is, valid Publisher field entries-- familiar to me from the publisher directory, more often the "Publisher" column of the tables that ISFDB displays in Title records for named contents, often general knowledge or the front cover (as "A Dell Yearling Book" across the top) i usually enter that. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:47, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:The publisher directory isn't curated. It's generated by the system and includes every unique publisher in the database. If I incorrectly entered the publisher as "Del Ray", it would create a new listing under that name. There are probably thousands of records in the database which should be cleaned up to present a clearer record of how the publisher is stated. Unfortunately, there's not that many editors here who can make the time and effort to undertake such a gargantuan task. That's why we at least try to get the primary verified records to match the stated publisher, and because publisher credits vary from spine to front/back cover, title page, and copyright page, we ask that editors use the credit from the title page, as 99% of all books give the publisher there. As for records sourced from secondary sources, when I stumble upon them, I usually try to change them to the publisher as given in the OCLC record. The librarians who edit that database are asked to use the title page publisher credit, so at least we have their data to fall back on. Using the front cover credit is usually not a good idea, because too often it's a publication series and not the imprint or publisher. BTW, there is only one record now in the database for "Harper Young Classics" (the one you entered), because the only other record which had that credit was a non-verified record, and checking on OCLC, I determined it should have been entered as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?53112 Odyssey / Harcourt Young Classic / Harcourt]. So I corrected it. That leaves yours. And as I suggested above, you should use the title page credit of "Harcourt". If your copy has any indication anywhere else of the imprint of "Odyssey / Harcourt Young Classic" you can add that to the publisher field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:44, 13 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== LCCN and title or publication-specific data ==<br />
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The Library of Congress Control Number should be provided (and linked if possible) in the Note field of the publication record to which the number has been assigned. It should not be entered into the Note field of the title record, since titles are frequently republished with a different LCCN. A good rule of thumb about which data to note in which record (the title or the publication): if it applies to a specific publication, it should go in the publication record; if it applies to '''the work''' and not a specific publication, it should be noted in the title record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Harcourt, Brace & Company ==<br />
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In the 1950s, the publisher was known as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?41100 Harcourt, Brace & Company]. In the 1960s, after it merged with World Publishing, it became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1909 Harcourt, Brace & World]. In the 1970s through 1993, it added the chairman's name and became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?267 Harcourt Brace Jovanovich]. Then it was purchased by another corporation and became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?263 Harcourt Brace]. In 2007, it was purchased by Houghton Mifflin with the new company named [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28152 Houghton Mifflin Harcourt]. I've updated or reverted those Edgar Eager records which don't reflect this chronology. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:51, 16 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Three days ago there was greater variation in database use of "Harcourt, Brace and Company" and "Harcourt Brace". Did you revise other records to fit the ideal timeline? Did you overlook the one verified by Nihonjoe {{p|518183}}?<br />
: Given a policy, or consensus, to use in the database a particular name version for a particular book-issuing entity during a particular timespan, there remains a danger in such rationalizing policy. It depends on validity of the Year field as a book-issuing date --that is, a publication date in the sense of database "publication" records, a printing date. (The Year field isn't isn't rich enough to do what we should aspire to do re information about timing.)<br />
: I agree concerning "Harcourt, Brace" in regard to the Tales of Magic that LC and ISFDB merely use different canonical names with and without "and Company"; no doubt there are other cases where they differ about "& Company", "and Co.", and so on. Regarding "Harcourt, Brace & World", it's much more likely that different uses of the year fields are the crux of the matter. LC Catalog uses two year fields mainly, perhaps others in freeform notes. "Harcourt, Brace & World" with a year prior to 1961 is evidence that the year is a copyright date or edition date rather than a printing date. Same as ISBN with the same year would be. If we take the year for granted as a printing date and standardize the publisher (value of Publisher field) on that basis, such evidence is lost.<br />
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: What is your interpretation of the one 1998 and one 1999 publications by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?231 "Harcourt"] and the two 2000 publications by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?263 "Harcourt Brace"]? Those records are internally anachronistic --the 1998 and 2000 on basis of year alone; the 1999 because it is 1999-01[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?231+1999] where 1999-12 would be plausible. (Part of half of the answer is that the 1998 and 1999 are "date unknown" printings, probably 2000 or later if no catalog errors otherwise.)<br />
: (I'll get back to the Magic series.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:32, 19 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mary Poppins and the House Next Door ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89072 this record] which you converted from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK: one thing to keep in mind when doing such conversions: If you change the NOVEL title reference record during the pub record edit to SHORTFICTION, you have to add a new title reference record for the CHAPBOOK. It can be done in the Contents section of the entry form during the same submission. Otherwise the book's title won't appear on the author's summary page. (The story title will.) I'll add the title record for you. Also, I doubt that the book isn't paginated, even if the OCLC's page count number is bracketed. That could also mean that there were 96 pages but the last page wasn't numbered. That happens a lot in books. We'll leave it as is until another secondary source either confirms or denies the page count. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:40, 25 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: The US edition is paginated. I thought that I would convert NOVEL to CHAPBOOK following the manual [[Help:How to convert a novel to a chapbook#Converting a NOVEL publication to a CHAPBOOK]] where instructions begin with conversion of a publication record, so I started there with first edition --EditPub, not AddPub for copy in hand-- and resorted to online catalogue data for more info. I planned to continue with one instruction or another after seeing the result of EditPub. Unfortunately [a] the instructions are not scrutable (bullet point 3: "If the novel has only one publication on record, this can be done from the same Publication Editor dialog where the other changes are made"; not sure whether I did that back at point 1, hoped to see by viewing the relevant records after approval); [b] this was several hours ago at local public library, so AddPub US ed. must await another visit. <br />
: I wonder whether you converted one of the two illustration prize-winning picture books from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK yesterday, T{{t|170637}} and T{{t|1766654}}. I believe I saw one picture book as NOVEL yesterday, one reason I visited conversion instructions today, ''probably'' one of these two. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
: oops, fix links to Title records "T" and append five words --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Reviewing the three records and the manual, the latter [[Help:How to convert a novel to a chapbook#Converting a NOVEL publication to a CHAPBOOK]] remains inscrutable to me. How does one add a Title record? to a Publication record? Perhaps the second bullet point should be deleted and the third rewritten. ... --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::As I said in my original post, go to the contents section (marked "Regular Titles") and click the "Add Title" link. A set of fields will open. Leave the page number and date fields blank, enter the title, change the type to CHAPBOOK, and enter the author. I'll read the instructions and see if it needs clarification. Some of these help pages were written before the software about CHAPBOOK was fully developed, and may need to be updated. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Is there a simple change to be entered manually after which a script will complete the conversion per [[Bibliographic Projects in Progress]]? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::I know nothing about that. It seems to be far out-of-date. I'm thinking that project was all about manual conversion with the hope that it could later be accomplished with a script. I don't believe that ever happened. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mary Poppins omnibus ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557135 this record], but it would have been better to clone the other record of this title. Now you'll have to import the contents, and then merge the duplicate interior art record. Keep that in mind when adding records typed as COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, CHAPBOOK, and OMNIBUS. Saves both of us when you use the clone function. (I don't advise doing it for NOVEL records.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:16, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Same situation with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557137 this record]. You'll have to import the SHORTFICTION title record, and then merge the INTERIORART record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:18, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Both done. With more data, eg the obvious cover artist confirmed by images on bookseller pages.<br />
: Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:03, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Instead of importing the contents as I suggested, you created new title records. Those will now have to be merged with the existing ones. (Go to Travers summary page and you'll see the duplicate titles.) Ask if you need help on merging title records. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:10, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Ah, you mean Import Content. I overlooked the Export, Import, and Remove screens/tools. <br />
::: I am familiar with merger of Title records that do show up as duplicates for some author. Last month I cut the number of Mary Shepard Mary Poppins INTERIORART titles from 25 to 10. Now I know how other editors created all of those as we are back to 25 again. <br />
::: ... Import done, for import of novels INTERIORART to omnibus (2). I'll get back to the rest later. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:39, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: FYI: You can also import individual titles (instead of all titles within another pub). If you have many though it can be tedious to find all the title record numbers and paste a long list into the tiny form box accepting such. It is painful but it avoids having to merge titles later. This is one area where methinks there is room for code improvement (one should be able to select one or more pubs to import from and just check which titles from such one wishes to import). I am not sure if there is an existing feature request (FR) for such yet or not. [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] 04:19, 28 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Editing a publication record before a previous submission has been moderated ==<br />
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If you make a submission to edit a publication record, you should wait until it has been moderated before making another submission editing the same record. Quite often this can cause a conflict which will negate the edits of the first submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:39, 27 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== <nowiki><br>• </nowiki> ==<br />
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The use of <nowiki><br>• </nowiki> is not a standard method of separating notes in an ISFDB record's Note field. (Although you will find that one particular editor insists on using it, even though it's been brought to his attention.) If you want to bullet each note, please use HTML as explained [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_HTML_in_Note_Fields here]. If that's too complicated, just use the keyboard return to create a new line for each note (they won't be bulleted). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:22, 28 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dell and Yearling ==<br />
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When it was founded, Yearling was a YA imprint of Dell paperbacks. Publications from that period are entered into the database as "Dell Yearling". Later (I don't know exactly when, but it could be researched), Yearling was removed from the Dell paperback division of Random House and became a separate imprint. The title pages then gave the publisher as "A Yearling Book". Those publications are entered into the database as "Yearling". If you find books which give the publisher as Dell, then enter them as "Dell Yearling". If Dell isn't mentioned, enter them only as "Yearling". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:43, 3 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: ('''two months later''' work in progress-0406)<br />
As of 2016-04-06 the earliest database Year for publisher "Yearling" is 1984.<br />
Indeed we have the following (Dell) Yearling publisher names, with yearspans (beside "date unknown"): Yearling 1984-pres [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?183]<br />
Yearling (UK) 1990-94 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?43577], <br />
Yearling / Yearling Newbery 1996 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?41025], <br />
Yearling Newbery [undated 35th printing of April 1990 Dell] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?10251], <br />
Dell Yearling 1968-2007 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?183]<br />
Dell Yearling Newbery 1996-99 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?379].<br />
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Anomalies from about 3 February in my primary verifications, perhaps to revisit<br />
:1. ''Mary Poppins'', 1991 tp edition, all four novels T{{t|181986}} T{{t|181997}} (both as Yearling) T{{t|29571}} T{{t|181995}} (both as Dell Yearling)<br />
: All four first printing publication records give my Note: <br />
:: (quote) copyright page "Published by Dell Publishing a division of Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing Group, Inc."; Yearling and Dell are two registered trademarks<br />
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:2. ''The Wolves of Willoughby Chase'' T{{t|13699}}, 1987 and perhaps other editions or dated printings (may be a single edition released 1968) [book 2 pv another edition; book 3 not verified]<br />
: (in progress) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:28, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Reliable secondary sources ==<br />
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When creating records from secondary sources, it's important to find the most reliable ones available. In the case of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558116 this record], I would have first looked at [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/12635490 OCLC]. Abebooks data is not very reliable since it's from someone who wants to sell you something, and info from auction sites can disappear overnight without warning. I personally consider OCLC to be the most dependable of all secondary source on the internet for English language publications. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:50, 3 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558117 this record], you could have gotten the page count from the [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/64447512 OCLC record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:53, 3 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: The LC Catalog is a source of extraordinary quality. WorldCat is not, and it's a shame that ISFDB relies on it so heavily.<br />
: Meanwhile the ABEbooks page that I mentioned, as it does provide a cover image, is far more likely to provide an image of the correct book than is worldcat.org. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 04:26, 6 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::No one is saying that the Library of Congress data is unreliable. Nothing I said even implied that. They never entered the discussion, and are not sourced in your record at all. I'm saying Abebooks is unreliable. Why knock WorldCat when in this case it was the most reliable source at hand? Please only use Abebooks as a last resort. And you should never use auction sites as a source. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:18, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Magic Finger'' ==<br />
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There are several problems with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558748 this record], the major one being that it doesn't contain a SHORTFICTION content. Now you'll have to import it. (You also could have cloned another edition which would automatically import the content, like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262017 this one].)<br />
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Another thing: synopses shouldn't be given in a publication note field. That is title specific data, not publication specific.<br />
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Also, you didn't use the correct format for entering the OCLC record number (omitting the colon.) There's also a leading space in the target name that should be removed. You also linked to the browser address and not the Permalink.<br />
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And you used Abebooks.com to source the date, and non-data about the possible format. This is probably the last place to source data. They're trying to sell books, and probably not worrying about recording accurate data for bibliographers.<br />
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Also, based on the OCLC record showing the book to be 20 cm., the pub format/binding is "tp". (All Puffin books from this period were softcover.)<br />
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Please make the corrections when you have time. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:15, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Done. Vaguely I recall that the manual somewhere includes generalizations about page size and binding format. Now I append "20cm (implies tp format)" to citations of OCLC records that support tp format by this inference. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::That's only true for softcover publications, something that OCLC rarely notes. You need a another secondary source to confirm the binding. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:57, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: If "(All Puffin books from this period were softcover.)" it will be useful to note that period at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?179 Publisher: Puffin]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Anyone looking at Puffin's books from the early 70s will see that they're all paperback. It would take further research to determine when they started publishing hardcovers. If that could be confirmed, then a definitive statement could be made. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:57, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to OCLC ==<br />
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Please use the standard format "OCLC: 123456". Also, click on the Permalink for the URL, provided in the upper right corner of the OCLC record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''El Dedo Magico'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71313 This record] had the English language titles. I will remove them and add Spanish language titles, and then variant them to the original titles. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I believe that is a mistake at least for the illustrations. Some time ago I fixed ''Mary Poppins wraca'' P{{p|547654}} to credit the original English-language illustration by Mary Shepard --despite the fact that in that work ''Mary Poppins Comes Back'' many of the illustrations have captions, commonly quotations of description or dialogue from the novel, presumably translated into Polish in their use as captions as well as in the novel.<br />
: See [[User talk:JudgeDeadd#Mary Poppins illustrations]]. As I recall, there were Shepard illustrations of two other Mary Poppins titles in Polish translation, and Barnes illustrations of all seven Narnia novels in Polish translation, all entered as English-language illustrations of the Polish editions of those works. All entered by the same user, as I understood the record; thus I conformed our treatment of ''Mary Poppins wraca'' illustrations to the other 9? books.<br />
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I also removed the price in US dollars which was there before you edited the record. An obvious error. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:34, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Per the linked WorldCat record, the publisher is based in Madrid, so the US dollar price is probably a mistake. Not an obvious error, as many Spanish-language editions are priced in US dollars. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:19, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Here is our record P{{p|547918}} for Polish-language omnibus edition of Narnia 1-3 as verified (and presumably entered) by [[User:JudgeDeadd]], who does not say whether it includes English or Polish captions or none. <br />
:: (By the way I doubt the COVERART credit to Maria Izryk for "original work (presumably by Maria Irzyk), although clearly traced from Baynes's covers for the 1959 edition of ''The Lion...'' and the 1962 edition of ''Prince Caspian''). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Even though art doesn't have a "language", and even if the exact same illustration is used in different translations of the work, each work of art should be titled for the work they illustrate. Any interior art records which don't match the titles of the work they illustrate should be corrected when found. (They must have sneaked through, undetected by the moderator.) This would mean the content record would have to be removed from the publication record, and a new content would have to be created. Then, the translated title record should be varianted to the original title record. See how I varianted the <small>[Pat Marriott --Pwendt]</small> interior art record for ''El Dedo Magico''. Thanks. <br />
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:::: OK. I credited also 1995 Spanish-language Tony Ross INTERIORART for El Dedo Magico, now submitted as variant of his 1989 illustrations T{{t|925716}}. <br />
:::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:31, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Viking ed. of ''The Magic Finger'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558764 this record]: I added the colon after "LCCN", and removed the HTML line breaks. Several years ago they were necessary, and you'll find thousands of records still have them. After a software change a few years ago, they are no longer necessary; a simple keyboard return will display a new line. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:25, 12 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I did the same thing as above for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558765 this record], and corrected the OCLC link to the Permalink. Please get into a habit of using the Permalink instead of the URL in your browser's address window. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:27, 12 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Price field ==<br />
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When entering a price in US dollars, be sure to add the cents. I changed the price of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558870 this publication] from "$2" to "$2.00". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:06, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''My Father's Dragon'' ==<br />
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What is your source for the interior art credit for the 1948 Random House edition? I particularly wonder why the illustrations are differently credited from the story, if they're by the same person. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:21, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Again, you didn't enter the price field correctly in the submission I'm holding for this edition. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:22, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Further research has shown that the books were illustrated by Ruth Chrisman Gannett, her stepmother. So a pseudonym and variant should not be created. I'll accept the submission and correct the price field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:24, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I understand now what the note meant. You were referring to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?178751 this artist], not the author of the story. I'll make the pseudonym/variant. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:27, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes, Ruth Adelaide Chrisman later Gannett seems to have illustrated mainly as Ruth Gannett --eg, ''Tortilla Flat'' by John Steinbeck ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortilla_Flat at Wikipedia])-- but also seems to be Ruth Chrisman Gannett as of first collaboration with her step-daughter, per the [http://www.gutenberg.org/files/30017/30017-h/30017-h.htm Project Gutenberg HTML edition/release of the first edition] and i doubt that many others of her (mainly earlier) works belong in this database.<br />
: I did not link the Project Gutenberg, nor add its cover image [http://www.gutenberg.org/files/30017/30017-h/images/cover.jpg] of course, because I don't recall seeing other examples of that here and I don't know that ISFDB makes use of the Gutenberg release (lead sentence of HTML ed.: "This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no cost and with almost no restrictions whatsoever." ) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:51, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Click on the image link gave here and you can see why we need permission to deep link to images hosted by other servers. You can link the book's title record to the Project Gutenberg page, entering its URL in the title's webpage field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:03, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Three Tales...'' ==<br />
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I changed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558879 this publication] from OMNIBUS to COLLECTION, since it doesn't include a previously published NOVEL, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, NONFICTION, etc. A publication of SHORTFICTION-typed works is considered a COLLECTION.<br />
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I also went ahead and imported the contents, and disambiguated the generically titled author's note. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:25, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Does a collection of a works in a shortfiction series not carry numerals as "C/1-3"? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:32, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::No. The software only displays the story length field when the record is typed as OMNIBUS. That's because it's uncommon for collections to contain only series of short fiction works. Also, most short fiction in a series isn't numbered. You can post a message on the Community Portal for a feature request for cases like this publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:41, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Illustrator for ''Wonders, Inc'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?213429 this publication]: Both of your sources give the artist name as "John Larrecq". Note the way each source provides the stated credit, and not the canonical credit. You shouldn't use the related names field of the LCCN record, or the author field of the OCLC record. OCLC gives the stated credit in the responsibility field. I've corrected it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:45, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I also changed it from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK with a SHORTFICTION content record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:48, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: (edit conflict) Thanks.<br />
: How frequently is there a "Responsibility" field at WorldCat, where there are some John M. L. records like [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/429560318 OCLC 429560318]. <br />
: He is John M. Larrecq canonically at LCCN (and others [https://viaf.org/viaf/65249917]) but I don't know that other works (incl several picture books from Parnassus Press) will ever be in the database (chiefly stories about anthropomorphic animals, i scanned this hour). So I have simply linked LCCN John M. Larrecq for now.<br />
: I merely stumbled upon him in course of correcting one Publisher:Parnasus => Parnassus Press; the former should now drop out of the Publisher directory. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:03, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I have no way of knowing exactly how frequently there's a responsibility field in an OCLC record. I can only estimate that 95% or more of the records created in the past 50 years do have it. That field wasn't always part of the database, and records from the early decades of the 20th century probably didn't have them. Some have been updated from primary data. Others may not. As for whether Larrecq's canonical name includes the middle initial, we can't establish that at the ISFDB until there's a publication which actually credits it that way. OCLC quite frequently gives the middle initial or full names in the author field of their records to distinguish similarly named authors. That's why the author field of OCLC records shouldn't be the only source used to record author credit in ISFDB records. Looking at [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/906040559 this record] for example, it appears that Larrecq did not use the middle initial in his published works. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:14, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: On the other hand [https://lccn.loc.gov/66009502] but as I said above, I don't know that other works by Larrecq belong in the database. [[Author:John Larrecq]].<br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:41, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::So I repeat, we won't be able to determine the canonical name until or if there are other works by him in the database. We would still have to follow the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition Rules of Acquisition] in determining that. <br />
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::::I think I may have misled you a bit about the term "canonical" when I was referring to the way LoC and WorldCat assign authorship. Their purpose is to distinguish human beings, not to distinguish publication credits, which is the goal of the ISFDB when we use the term. So I'm unsure whether the use of "canonical" in the bibliographic wiki page could confuse some users, especially those who know the ISFDB's use of "canonical". Also, if you look at some of the OCLC records for those showing "John M. Larrecg" as the author, you'll see that many of them credit "John Larrecq" as the responsible party. And that's what's important as far as the ISFDB is concerned. So perhaps the bibliographic notes need to be clarified about the name. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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P.S. I don't know how to convert NOVEL to CHAPBOOK/SHORTFICTION deftly. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:41, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:It's in the help documentation, but it's getting late. I'll try to remember tomorrow to give you a step-by-step guide to conversion. (In this case, conversion wouldn't have been necessary if the publication had been entered correctly from the start. Knowing a book has only 39 pages is a rather unmistakable clue that the book isn't a novel.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to primary verified records ==<br />
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I accepted the submission changing the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254379 this record] before realizing it was primary verified. It is imperative that you '''first''' discuss such changes with the PV editor before making a submission which changes any field other than the Note field. <br />
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Another concern: you changed the publication date to "1975-02-00" when your note said it was published on "1975-02-18". Why not go all the way? If the publication doesn't have a publication date stated in the book itself, an editor can use a reliable secondary source for that date. So you leave a note on the talk page of the PV editor: "Is there a day of publication stated in this publication? If not, I've found a reliable source, [Kirkus Reviews, Amazon, publisher's website, etc.], that gives the publication date as [fill in the blank]." Allow the PV editor to make the decision about changing the record. If there is a stated publication date, such as "First Edition: February 1975", then the PV editor should give "1975-02" in the publication date field, but note the exact date as given by the reliable secondary source. If there is no stated publication date in the book, then the PV editor has the option to use the reliable secondary source to give the exact day of publication in the record's date field. But this should be done by the PV editor, unless they have a notification preference at the top of their talk page saying "Anyone can edit my verified records." or something similar. If the PV editor is inactive, there should be a notice at the top of their talk page that directs any questions to the Moderator Noticeboard. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:55, 18 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: I summarized for the verifier at [[User talk:Don Erikson#Z for Zachariah]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:26, 18 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258217 this case], it's OK to give the full date of publication in the date field, because the record has yet to be primary verified. I'd also question your statement that all data is confirmed by the LCCN record, which doesn't give the publication date you've added to the record. That statement would have to be tweaked. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:33, 18 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Hitty, Her First Hundred Years'' ==<br />
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I could find nothing showing that this is a work of speculative fiction. If the doll is simply the narrator, and with no interaction with the real world, as most reviews I've read of it seem to indicate, then it can't be considered fantasy. Or am I misinterpreting the synopses that I've found on the Internet? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:49, 21 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2956209]<br />
: Yes, but i'll begin by reading further myself, not today. I know only the first four pages, up to the line I quoted --just before local public library closure this afternoon-- and the Google Books ed. breaks after page 4. Wikipedia says "magical ash-wood" but that isn't in the opening text, only reference to the traditional powers of ash.<br />
: I think you mean interaction with the world beyond that of quill pen on paper and turning the pages. I had wondered just what I would say beyond "Borderline spec-fic" if I did say that in synopsis as some others do. <br />
: How long is matter "held" in queue? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:52, 22 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::As long as necessary to resolve the issue. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:08, 22 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Have you been able to determine this work's eligibility? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 08:07, 4 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I can describe the wooden doll's actions: [a] take up quill pen to begin memoirs; use up paper (by implication use pen, ink, blotting paper); [b] raise and lower both legs together when left under a pew in church, "Clump! clump! clump!"; [c] work up and out of a crow's nest and get both legs over the edge, then to be knocked out by the baby birds. She does not communicate with the crows, wild monkeys, pet cobra, pet cat --nor with modern dolls if i recall correctly. The simplicity of her construction is clear; her inability to bend except at the one hip and one shoulder joint is recurrently crucial to the plot. That she can handle a pen or "work her way" without benefit of other joints is not explained.<br />
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So it is spec-fic strictly but I can't say whether it is clearly eligible nor whether it should be in the database. I have not read any discussions of scope. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:06, 4 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:It wouldn't be spec-fic unless she actually interacts with or becomes an active participant in the story she's telling. There are many stories told from the point of view of animals or inanimate objects, with the sole purpose of being a silent observer. Unless the story itself or the actions being narrated has fantastic elements (without regard to how the story is being told), I personally don't believe it would qualify as eligible. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Definitions Here] are the definitions, the rules of acquisition, and the scope of the ISFDB. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Unless you have some definitive evidence that the work qualifies under the rules of acquisition, I will have to reject the submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:29, 15 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Substantially I can only repeat myself. ''Hitty'' is spec-fic strictly, for the wooden doll interacts with her environment as I described above [a][b][c]. --beyond thinking and four of five human senses, all but taste.<br />
::: For what it's worth, I consider that a flaw in the work. It doesn't add anything to the story, in my opinion, to make the doll more than the externally passive observer you say is common. In the same way, I consider it a flaw that ''Alice'' is not spec-fic, strictly, because the brief final chapter portrays Wonderland as a dreamland only. It doesn't add anything to the story, in my opinion, to undercut the fantasy.<br />
::: You moderators need to make judgments about scope at the borders. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:56, 17 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Day the World Ended'' ==<br />
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Please specify the source of the month of publication in the Note field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399313 this record]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 05:37, 23 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Done a couple hours ago along, with AddPub three other 1930 dollar novels from Doubleday Doran. See also and better, [[User talk:Mhhutchins#Doubleday]], numbered point 2 <u>dollar novels</u>. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:11, 25 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Book of Trolls'' ==<br />
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What is your source for editing the author credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?475528 this record]? Both LCCN and OCLC give the current author credit. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:20, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: That's right. As stated in the Note to Moderator: "undo [my own] today's introduction of variant name in preparation for global change to Edgar Parin d'Aulaire --now in database for the one work only" with more detail<br />
: The Author name cannot be corrected because 'Edgar Parin d'Aulaire' is already in the database here. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:34, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll accept it now that you've explained the note, but the correction could have been done with one submission since all of the titles appear in the same publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:41, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: But I didn't know several hours ago, when I added all the other data for both the man [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2959820] and the Publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2959783], that I should have submitted a global personal name change first, before the correct name appeared in the database.<br />
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::: 1. You say "all of the titles appear in the same publication" which suggests that such a change could have been effected at once for all records of this work (CHAPBOOK, SHORTFICTION, INTERIORART, COVERART titles), if a global change in the personal name were not desired. How is that?<br />
::: 2. Probably this work was first published as ''D'Aulaire's Trolls''? (altho Uniform title is Trolls, which may indicate earlier issue in some European language). Anyway, let's consider the first US edition, [https://lccn.loc.gov/76158897 LCCN 76-158897], OCLC [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/86079902 86079902] and [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/410432 410432]. What would be the best way to get all of the CHAPBOOK, SHORTFICTION, INTERIORART, COVERART titles into the database as ''D'Aulaire's Trolls''? --where is best to start? --and finally must all be entered anew and then all four ''D'Aulaire's Book of Trolls'' titles separately be made variants? <br />
::: Good night, now overdue for me :-( [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:18, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::1. As I said, your "Note to Moderator" wasn't clear enough that I understand what your intentions were about changing the author credit of a publication which didn't match those given in the noted sources. Once you made that intention clear, I accepted the submission. At this point, whether the changes could have been made in one submission is moot. As it was, you could have changed the author credit of the publication, the shortfiction content, cover art, and interior art, in a single submission. Changing the chapbook credit would have taken a second submission. (You saw that it was "yellowed-out" which means you can't edit it during a publication record edit.) In either case, it took two submissions to make the corrections.<br />
::::2. Add publication records based on the title and credit given in your reliable sources without any concern for how it is titled and credited now. Once the records are in the database, we can determine a) the canonical title, and b) the canonical author credit. Variants and/or pseudonyms will be determined then. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:36, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Children of Lir'' ==<br />
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I changed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?560803 this record] from a NOVEL to a CHAPBOOK with a SHORTFICTION content, since it appears to be less-than-novel length. If you've determined that it is more than 40,000 words, let me know and I'll reverse the change. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: No, this is fine. Thanks. I am reading this one and I will assess as novelette or whatever length. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:09, 29 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: A novella, ~20,000 words. And so entered. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:49, 1 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== pb or tp ==<br />
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Re the update you made to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303688 this record]: Where did the "5.1 inches" come from? The UK doesn't use inches. According to [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/782024148 OCLC], the book is 20 cm. which makes it a trade paperback. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:56, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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OK. I see you got that dimension from Amazon.com (not Amazon.co.uk, which was your stated source). The width is 5.1 inches, the depth is 0.3 inches, and the height is 7.8 inches, making it clearly a trade paperback. I'll correct the record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:01, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Making a pseudonym / creating a variant ==<br />
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Re {{A|Katie May}}: When you make an author into a pseudonym, you must follow-through by varianting each of the titles credited to that author into variants of titles credited to the canonical author. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Before you do that, what is your source that Katie May is the same person as {{A|Katie May Green}}? (This should have been asked before the moderator accepted the submission creating the pseudonym.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:18, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Probably the moderator read the Notes that I submitted at the same times [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971249 14:12] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971277 14:31] (approval times, i suppose).<br />
: I entered the titles as chapbooks where the first eds., British, had been entered as novels. Then observed to the moderator [[User talk:Rtrace#Magic Ballerina chapbooks]] that I think I must fix the CHAPBOOK issue before returning to the variant issue.<br />
: During the last hour alone moderators Rtrace, Hauck, and Mhhutchins have approved in succession and all may be inscrutable to anyone.<br />
: I suppose you converted multiple publications of the one title (#2 the Magic Spell) but not the other (#1 the Magic Ballet Shoes) --or that multiple moderators responded differently-- because my experience was different for the two titles. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:36, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Perhaps you've misread my post or have confused it with another post. I was talking about the variant/pseudonym situation, not the conversion situation. These are entirely separate matters. Please re-read my post and respond. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:08, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Please read the linked material. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:12, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'll ask the same question again: "What is your source that Katie May is the same person as Katie May Green?" That isn't answered in the post on Ron's page. If you have a confirmed source that they are the same person, you should have made the variants immediately upon making that determination. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:19, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I presumed that you would be able to read the two Notes that I cited, which the approving moderator [[User:Hauck]] probably read at the time, 2016-03-06 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971249 14:12] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971277 14:31] per the log "My Recent Edits".<br />
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For now I have unlinked May and May Green in the database, but see the wiki [[Author:Katie May Green]]; cf [[Author:Katie May]]. Perhaps there can be a software solution for generating numerous variant titles. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:07, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm flummoxed. Now that you've confirmed (based on the wiki page you created) that they're the same person, why do you want to remove the pseudonym relationship that you'd previously established? <br />
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:And there is a software solution for generating variant titles. Unfortunately, a human has to initiate it manually, then the software takes over. We don't want software that will automatically create variants because sometimes pseudonyms are shared by different authors, e.g. {{A|Daisy Meadows}}. <br />
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:I'm going to reject your submission to remove the pseudonym and then create variants for the "Katie May" titles. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:16, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Converting NOVEL to CHAPBOOK ==<br />
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When changing the type in the metadata section from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK, you should add a CHAPBOOK content record at the same time, saving an additional submission, and avoiding a publication record which doesn't have a title reference link. For example, check out [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?468166 this record] which no longer links to its title record...or any title for that matter. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:24, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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For future reference, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_convert_a_novel_to_a_chapbook#Converting_a_NOVEL_publication_to_a_CHAPBOOK here] are the instructions to convert a NOVEL to a CHAPBOOK. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:26, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought that I would Import the one CHAPBOOK title record into successive publications of that title, rather than create a new CHAPBOOK title record for every publication.<br />
: Perhaps Rtrace (signs Ron) has experienced what he considers too many editors who don't bother to merge near-replicate titles? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:44, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Importing the CHAPBOOK record works if you're a moderator and can do your own approvals. When a non-moderator submits and has to wait, it leaves publication records without title references, and increases the chances that the conversion may not be completed. (Sometimes life interferes during the wait.) As suggested in the help page I linked here, you should change the type and add a CHAPBOOK content record in the same submission. You don't save submissions by importing the CHAPBOOK record. In fact, that increases the number of submissions required to get a publication record completely converted. It only takes a single submission to merge the duplicate CHAPBOOK records, and not doing so isn't as fatal as a publication record without a title reference record. So please follow the instructions provided. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Thanks. I left a note for Stonecreek (one approving moderator, whom I referred to Rtrace yesterday).<br />
::: Sorry about the prev and next sections. I am out of time now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:26, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Those records that don't have a title reference are still waiting to be repaired. This proves my point that a CHAPBOOK content record should be added during the same submission that changes the publication type. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:11, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Done some. (generally without adding the original illustrations at the same time)<br />
::::: Do you find such anomalies automatically and currently? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:15, 9 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::No. It's not automatic. There is also a nightly clean-up report which finds publications with this error. Then a moderator has to fix it manually. BTW, I'm not sure how it happened, but now [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?468166 this] has '''two''' title references. I let you see it before I repair it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:39, 9 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I see how it happened. You made two successive submissions that added a CHAPBOOK content title, and the same moderator accepted both submissions without question. Even moderators are human. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:42, 9 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: I submitted one Remove Title.<br />
::::::: I found that lot in reference to my Recent Edits log from a couple days ago, evidently too hastily, as that log includes replications of course. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:00, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Submission to remove accepted. I went ahead and merged the two duplicate CHAPBOOK titles created by the duplicate submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:50, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] Do you plan on converting the other Magic Ballerina publications to CHAPBOOKs? If not, I'll try to find time to do it. (I actually hate wasting so much of my limited time on this juvenalia.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:53, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I plan to convert only one more -- #4, for which Amazon shows a back cover and thereby identifies cover artist Katie May. On my amateur view, this suggests all six in the first lot, at least, were illustrated cover and interior by the same person, but I don't plan to do more than say so in a series note.<br />
: If my local public library owned even one of them, I would augment that record greatly and verify it. But no, and I will not recommend the purchase of one. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:28, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: This one [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0007286171 at Amazon].<br />
:: By the way, from a sample of one I judge that they are novelettes at ~125 words per unillustrated page, probably about 10000 words each. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Done Magic Ballerina #4 T{{t|1063662}} including the variant first U.S. title. I specified length "novelette" in one publication record only, may need to end session before seeing the effect (not to mention complete variant/import of the artworks). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:21, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: Done. T{{t|1063662}}<br />
:::: Initially, evidently, I assigned Storylen novelette to one new CHAPBOOK title rather than to the new shortfiction in one of its publications, so I don't know whether the latter would propagate. Later I updated the SHORTFICTION title to Storylen novelette. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:53, 11 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas in Enchantia'' ==<br />
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Re your update to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303696 this record]: If a reliable secondary source (like OCLC) gives a page count which contradicts Amazon's count, odds are pretty good that it's the correct count. Amazon's page count comes from the total number of pages in a book, based on publisher data, and it is usually in multiples of 4 (because that's how most books are published.) We use the same page counting method as OCLC. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:09, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Tail of Emily Windsnap'' ==<br />
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The LCCN given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?65785 this publication] should be "2003065284", not "203-65284". The number you gave is missing a zero, and the LoC removed the dash at the start of this century. The last six digits must also have leading zeros to complete it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:53, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?523577 this record], the Canadian price should be given in the format "C$" instead of "$C". Think "'''C'''anadian Dollar'''$'''" for the right sequence. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: done; done; immediately preceding section too --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:08, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Man They Couldn't Arrest'' ==<br />
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Re the notes in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310745 this publication]: The OCLC record to which you link doesn't give the publication date as 1925. It provides the copyright date. The book must be undated, because the other OCLC record linked in the notes gives it as "[c1927]" meaning circa 1927. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:47, 11 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Merrimeg'' ==<br />
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Re the update to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1980903 this title]: Its type now mismatches the publication under it. You could have made one submission updating the publication record's type and its title reference. Please update the publication record when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:23, 11 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of Odin'' ==<br />
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The first note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?564977 this record] needs clarification, as it appears to suggest that the author's name is given differently and not the illustrator. That should be part of a note about the actual illustrator credit. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:57, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Attempted and I hope done minutes ago ... [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2994242] as approved by Rtrace --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:37, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I changed the publisher credit to "The Macmillan Company" which was the US publisher's name in the first half of the 20th century. (That's also what is given on the title page.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:33, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Regarding 'The Macmillan Company' reportedly succeeded by Macm Publ Co aka Macm Inc, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?85 Publisher:Macmillan] says this is a catch-all; "There is currently no attempt to separate these into two publishers." --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes that could be confusing, especially since there is an attempt to separate "The Macmillan Company" for the early 20th century. (Search for it.) Perhaps it's saying that there is no attempt to separate "Macmillan Publishing Company" and "Macmillan, Inc." into two different publishers. They both should be entered as "Macmillan". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:56, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Earlier today I entered three [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?5188 Publication Series: Macmillan Children's Classics] from "Macmillan". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Check their title pages. During this time period, US publications should be "The Macmillan Company". UK publications should be "Macmillan and Co.". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:56, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::I've made the changes based on secondary sources, and have updated the note on the publisher page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?85 Macmillan]. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:06, 31 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Another day I might check HathiTrust for digital copies (which WorldCat or some WorldCat libraries evidently catalog/ue as ebooks, by the way). <br />
: Macmillan is well-established in the database; seems to be established just as "Doubleday, Doran" for DOUBLEDAY, DORAN AND COMPANY, INC. ([[User talk:Mhhutchins#The Autocracy of Mr. Parham]]) and perhaps alternatives of intermediate length. <br />
: For now it's late enough for me to pursue a TV basketball game. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:19, 31 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Page counts on Amazon ==<br />
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Re the note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?376784 this record]: There's no need to record the page count provided by Amazon when you have a reliable secondary source (or the book in hand.) They use the publisher's method of counting ''all'' the pages in a book, unlike the method we use. Giving the Amazon data when it's wrong (or anyone's for that matter) would only confuse the user. WorldCat uses approximately the same method as the ISFDB, so it's a pretty reliable source for page counts. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:55, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:#Before I return to that record let me follow-up at one or two removes. This publication record is "Not Verified" with respect to any source. Previously it contained a single Note, "Data from Amazon.com as of 2012-02-13" (and the auto-generated "Cover art supplied by Amazon.com" presumably derived from the Image URL value). Thus Amazon appears to have been the only source; it is the only source if previous editors have done their jobs well.<br />
:#Would that also be true if the record were Verified w/r one or more secondary Reference such as Locus1? Or does it go without sayin' --without a Note-- that some of the data may be from any one of the "Verified" secondary References?<br />
: If it isn't clear what I have in mind, say so simply and I will expound another day. Good night, too late for me --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:36, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::# When a record states "Data from Amazon.com" that means it has been verified against Amazon's data. That doesn't mean it's correct. That means it matches the data given by Amazon. That would be the same for any secondary source. I'm not sure what you mean by "previous editors have done their jobs well." If the note in a publication record states "Data from Amazon.com as of 2012-02-13", there's a 99% chance that the editor was this clever fellow named [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]. He does a great job creating publication records from the multi-billion bytes of data on Amazon, but I'm not sure if I'd invite him to a party. :)<br />
::# Yes. Those records that are marked as verified using data from [[Reference:Verification_Sources|secondary sources]] means the same thing as the Note about Amazon being the source. When there are multiple secondary verifications marked, it would be nice if an editor would indicate exactly which data comes from which source. Some of us do, but nothing requires that we do so. I've found it's a good habit to get into when verifying from multiple sources. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:44, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Farrar & Rinehart ==<br />
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I've deleted the wiki page for this publisher and moved the data to the database page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?17605 this publisher]. Keep this in mind when adding publisher data to the database. Wiki pages for data are being phased out. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:30, 9 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: What about a more complex page such as [[Publisher:Rinehart]], which has an image and two footnotes?</font> --of which the image and one note is the sort of material that "should" be kept somewhere. Does the database have features other than text and HTML markup behind a {BREAK}? Does the medium-term plan for Wiki pages cover some of the Rinehart elements? <br />
: What is the medium-term prospect for Author and Bio pages? ...<br />
: ... (much later) OK, I found and read three sections at ISFDB:Community Portal, currently #81-83 of which the first is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Wiki-to-Database_migration:_Publication_and_Publication_Talk_pages 81 Wiki-to-Database migration: Publication and Publication Talk pages]. I don't see the practical import. <font color=green>I think maybe "keep in mind" means you hope I will do the migration myself for a substantial Wiki page that is so simple as the former [[Publisher:Farrar & Rinehart]]? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:58, 9 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::No. By "keep in mind", I mean don't add data to any wiki pages when it can be easily added to the database proper. The questions you've asked should be part of the discussion on the Community Portal. This migration hasn't been fully discussed, and I'm as much in the dark as everyone else about it. About those images, I have no idea how they're going to be handled. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:29, 9 April 2016 (UTC)</font><br />
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== Verification Sources - What are they? What do they mean? Where can I find them? ==<br />
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Re the question you posted on Chris's talk page just now about the ISFDB list of Verification Sources: I direct you to the answer I supplied to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Pwendt#Page_counts_on_Amazon this post]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:04, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: That is no answer. The table in ISFDB Wiki provides no key to use of the sources themselves, nor any remarks about precedence they should take in use for editing the ISFDB database. (As for Amazon, not one of the sources, you have written that other sources take precedence; further, that to provide discordant Amazon data is discouraged.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:50, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I answered the direct question below. The purpose of this post was to point you back to a previous one in which I provided you with a link to a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Reference:Verification_Sources page] which explains each of the sources which are listed on the "Verification Status" table of each publication record. Clicking on each of them (under the "Reference" column) gives a pretty thorough explanation, except for Locus1, which is the only online source, so we felt it only necessary to link to that website. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I followed the linkname "Locus1" that we display on publication pages (not in the ISFDB Wiki table) and poked around that website for a while. There is no key at the head or foot of the index ("The Locus Index to Science Fiction: 1984-1998") nor is any such thing evident in the site index ("The Locus Index to Science Fiction: Site Directory") that we target as "Locus1" on publication pages. <br />
: So I asked Chris J about the key, and the dating convention in particular.<br />
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In Locus1 listings, the first date is the book's date of publication as supplied by the publisher; the date in brackets is the date a copy of the book was received in the Locus offices. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:08, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. That is what I asked Chris J in particular.<br />
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By "key" do you mean the [http://www.locusmag.com/index/abbrev.htm list of abbreviations] used in the Locus database? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:09, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: No, I scanned that as I poked around three hours ago. It covers only abbreviations, no other conventions. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:50, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I guess William Contento, who managed the Locus database, didn't believe a key was necessary. Other than the bracketed date, everything else in a Locus listing is self-explanatory. What are the conventions you were needing to know about Locus1? I've been there thousands of time, so I could probably answer most of them. 03:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: --Mhhutchins<br />
::: On my first visit, none but the dual dates. If something comes up later, I'll ask you. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:23, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Missing price on The Minnipins ==<br />
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You have a £ symbol but no price listed for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567580 recently added pub for The Minnipins]. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 22:53, 20 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I "learned" the blank currency symbol to indicate the US/UK nationality of the publication (granted we may actually need a value such as 2s/6d) from ''NightBirds on Nantucket'' T{{t|13704}} which displays its systematic use evidently by [[User:Bluesman]].<br />
: I sometimes use it, after consultation at [[User talk:Mhhutchins#Price £ or $]], but I don't often remember and don't always have the pound symbol at hand, so I don't use it much. Nor did I take the suggestion to raise the convention for discussion by the community. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:22, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::If you have an American keyboard, you can use the ALT code for the British pound symbol: ALT+0163 (hold down the ALT key and enter "0163" in the number pad.) For other ALT codes go [http://www.alt-codes.net/ here]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]]<br />
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:::Ah... I had not seen that convention before. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:00, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Poppyseed Cakes'' publisher ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your {{P|567826|Poppyseed Cakes}} submission, but in the notes you mention it says "A Borzoi Book". If Borzoi is on the title page, I think you should instead record the publisher as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1305 Borzoi / Alfred A. Knopf] to capture the imprint, especially since we already have an imprint / publisher entry. I'm guessing we are not very consistent about capturing the Borzoi (given the few publications), but I did not find any discussion suggesting we should NOT capture it. See what you think. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:13, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: [http://www.amazon.com/Poppy-Everymans-Library-Childrens-Classics/dp/0375712321 Here] is the "Look Inside!" which does show the title page with no mention of Borzoi <br />
: title page bottom: Everyman's Library Children's Classics // <br />
:: Alfred A. Knopf New York London Toronto<br />
: copyright page top: This is a Borzoi Book //<br />
:: Published by Alfred A. Knopf<br />
: In the bullet list I mean initial dashes to indicate second-level items, three sub-points to "copyright page". Now submitted[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3015346] I insert add a first list item "Title page" and add a colon to "Copyright page:". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:21, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Placing publication data in a title record ==<br />
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This is not usually done. We try to separate the work (the title record) from any publication of the work (the publication record). Why not just create publication records for these Kennedy chapbooks? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:00, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Regarding the latter, maybe I should have done so, or saved more work in progress at [[Author:Marcia Sewall]] which I also had open as I gradually closed down. I did want to provide sources for fixing the shortfiction title dates.<br />
* Is there any way to create at once a new CHAPBOOK from a SHORTFICTION Title record; that is, to create a new container for that work? [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::There is not a way to add a publication to a contained title (SHORTFICTION, ESSAY, INTERIORART), only a container title (NOVEL, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, etc.) using the "Add New ..." function. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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* How to you suggest that a library catalog/ue Summary be noted in container title record? Eg, "Visiting with the caretaker of an empty old mansion, orphaned Jessamy emerges from the nursery closet into the world of 1914 when her namesake lived in the same house and left her adventures and a mystery to be solved again in the present. --Summary from one library catalogue record" without any link?<br />
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::You don't have to provide a link, just give the source. If the link is permanent, just use simple HTML to create a link. Don't link to an outside webpage if you're not certain that it's permanent. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: In user space I have now assembled much data on these story publications. I'll think about how to create database records efficiently.<br />
: P.S. I don't know whether we try to write in the database, as at Wikipedia, "catalog" or "catalogue" depending on whether or not some entity is USAmerican. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Both spellings are acceptable in the ISFDB. Any English reader should be able to understand both. Don't waste time trying to determine if the source is American English or British English (or any other form of English). Use the spelling you're more comfortable with. (I'm puzzled why so many Wikipedia editors use "whilst" instead of "while" as a conjunction. To my American ears, the former sounds so pretentious. But as for differences in spellings, I can look at "flavour", "centre", and "realise" all day long without blinking an eye.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Acknowledged, thanks. I must run now, after completing [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard#Richard Kennedy]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:04, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Bedknob and Brookstick(s)'' ==<br />
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I have no idea what you're doing with these latest submission (adding a new title reference to a record that already has one.) But I've accepted them with the expectation that you'll clean them up (they're in pretty bad shape right now.) Perhaps it would have been better to just delete them and start from scratch. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:56, 30 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Probably that would have been better. (I'll check back within 24 hours) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:15, 1 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Removing a double-credit ==<br />
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When you end up with an author/artist credited twice, removing just one of them does not work. The software is not smart enough: It finds that each name is still associated with the record and keeps each one. To remove a double-credit, you need to remove all of them, then put one back after the removal is accepted. I did that for you. I hope {{T|1995888|this}} is what you wanted. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:09, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:The recent change in software allows an editor to also edit each COVERART record individually. So you can edit one record to give both artist credits, and then use the remove function to get rid of the other one. You also have to remember to delete the record you removed, since it will stay in the database, regardless of whether it is associated with a publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:42, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: thanks --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:52, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Pippi Longstocking ==<br />
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Hello, please remember to merge the NOVEL titles created when you add an OMNIBUS. I've done this for you by supposing that the translators stayed the same. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:54, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi. Can you direct me to instructions or discussion concerning multiple published translations into one language?<br />
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: I do maintain notes on things to do "later", as in Notes to Moderator for two omnibus editions of Pippi yesterday [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3032589] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3032610].<br />
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: I do not know the treatment of multiple translations. I see that it may be very complex {{t|7388|Title: Voyage au centre de la Terre}}. '''For the Pippi Longstocking novel(la)s, where we now have multiple translations merged as one Title, I do have some notes on translations in user space.'''<br />
:::::: Tiina Nunnally 2007 (see below) is the only third translation of the novels in my user space notes. Evidently she also translated some Pippi picture books; maybe some first English editions ...<br />
: The two Pippi omnibus editions do not contain original translations but they do contain different translations --1950s US translations in the Viking omnibus and 1950s UK translations in the Oxford omnibus. We now have distinct Title records for the two early English translations only for book 2, ''Pippi Långstrump går ombord'', and only because its was published under two different English titles, US ''on Board'' T{{t|1998501}} and UK ''Aboard'' T{{t|1462189}}.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:46, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: I submitted improvements to the two OMNIBUS Title records only, said in Note to Moderator "in progress; novel Titles 1 and 3 may need un-merge; User talk:Pwendt#Pippi Longstocking (w moderator Hauck)"<br />
:: Translators are now identified primarily in the 1950s novel publication records. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::For multiple translations, the rule is that there is one translated title record for each translator (that why we're putting the translator at title level, it avoid undue merging), see for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?63598 this short story] that has three different translations in french and so 3 different title records. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:19, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Update done, for the two OMNIBUS Title records and four NOVEL Title records. What is the best way to unmerge the two Viking publications of Pippi in the South Seas, for instance. Begin at the first publication P{{p|568496}} and remove the container NOVEL [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/rmtitles.cgi?568496]? Or manually copy all to a New Novel? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:03, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::No, first go to title level ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1462190 here]), then select the "Unmerge Titles" tool (on the right side), choose the two "Viking" titles, submit and then you'll see that the unmerge function is bugged when there's an OMNIBUS present! (I've already alerted to this specific problem but to not avail) Without such a bug (e.g. with only novels to unmerge, you'll just have to "re-merge" the correct newly created titles and re-variant them). I've done this for you (or so I hope), result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1462193 here]). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:19, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Thanks, H. For the first novel there is a third translation, apparently also commissioned by Oxford. Some data at Amazon are corrupt. <br />
Note to self: Amazon provides Look Inside 978-0-19-278241-0 (paper) --with 2007 transl. by Tiina Nunnally-- for some other editions, at least once without notice. <s>We may have incorrect data (incl cover image?) for 2011 US Viking p{{p|530058}}, 2012 UK Oxford {{p|481286}}</s> '''those records confirmed, expanded -Pwendt'''<br />
:::::: Now I will *add* 978-0-19-278241-0 to the database and then maybe quit Pippi for today. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I've worked a bit on it and created three different and separate translations. Still missing are the translators of the two omnibuses. If you add them, I can do the (bugged) unmerging. See you tomorrow! [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:16, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::::: Our records for the two omnibus editions are correct; I switched one of the contained translations, which required several steps because of the bug you noted. I added links to LCCN and OCLC records but Amazon including its Look Inside! is the source of almost all data. <br />
:::::::: After confirming/correcting our records for the three publications immediately above, all single novels, it was easy to unmerge and merge them, two steps. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:09, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Publisher T. Nelson ==<br />
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"T. Nelson" shows up as a new publisher. It looks to me like it is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Nelson_(publisher) Thomas Nelson]. If you agree, and it's ok with you, may I change that to Thomas Nelson on those two submissions (leaving your notes as-is)? We have Thomas Nelson as a publisher already. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:06, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Please hold for a few days. Perhaps I will add more Ursula Moray Williams eds. from notes in user space, pass over any "T. Nelson" or make a note to hold those too. I will check other sources for these. LC catalog was down for me Fri/Sat and after end of semester yesterday I have no night/Sunday access to historical newspapers. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:32, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, I will do that. Let me know when you are done and what you decide we should use. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:03, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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* One more submitted and cancelled by mistake [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3034688] "Camden [N.J.] T. Nelson" (other cities are New York and Nashville [Tenn.]) <br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:40, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: All four now in the queue should be "Thomas Nelson".<br />
::: I added a Note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28709 Publisher: Thomas Nelson & Sons], not yet for Thomas Nelson, and reallocated a few books. A few remain. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Great. I accepted the submissions and changed the publisher in each to Thomas Nelson. I also added the Wikipedia link to the Thomas Nelson page. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:37, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I added a Note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?386 Publisher: Thomas Nelson], narrowed its target to the Wikipedia section Current United States company, and completed reallocation of all pre-1969 books to the British company (& Sons), which published also in North America. We don't attribute any subsequent publications to &&nbsp;Sons and a glance at ISBN for Thomas Nelson publications suggests that we may not have any in the database. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== [Hamish] Hamilton ==<br />
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Hi. You used Hamilton on {{P|570740|this}} but Hamish Hamilton on {{P|570741|this}}. The LOC records both show London, Hamilton, and I am guessing both should have the same publisher credit. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:58, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hamish Hamilton. At the same time I promoted Reindeer Books from my Notes (as series noted by both LCCN and OCLC) to Publication series. <br />
: And i eliminated Reindeer Books from the database as a publisher by revising one record. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 16 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Net to Catch the Wind'' ==<br />
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The system was grumpy about your submission for {{P|571624|A Net to Catch the Wind}} and forced me to reject it. It looked to me like the changes were the notes and the date on everything. I copied the notes over and made the date change. Please check that it's all the way you want it, and if there's something other than the notes and date, you'll have to redo it. Sorry about that, and thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:48, 24 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I had created the CHAPBOOK title with a redundant copy of the SHORTFICTION and "Note to Moderator: first publication of this short story; later merge them" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3042213]. Probably another editor merged them, thus deleted the new SHORTFICTION, while my first follow-up was in the queue.<br />
: All is well. I restored hyperlinks and on further investigation I found more to be said P{{p|571624}}. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:02, 24 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dragon's Nest ==<br />
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I answered your posting on my "Messages Page". When you're right, you're right, and you were right. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:45, 17 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Faust'' submission ==<br />
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Hi. I think your ''Faust'' submission duplicates {{P|372389|this entry}}. See what you think. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:19, 24 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi. Yes, my submission duplicates the book, 1st ed. presumable 1st printing. I missed it yesterday.<br />
: Do we use such longlong titles by policy? I have shortened some full titles that are much shorter than this one. And we now give a one-word title for the companion novel <i>Falstaff</i> (1976) T{{t|1612138}}. For that one I had partly assembled in user space, but not submitted, data for the two 1st eds. thus:<br />
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:: (1st ed.) LCCN: <a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/77352232">77-352232</a> and OCLC: <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2930386">2930386</a><br />
:: -- as Main title: "Falstaff : being the Acta domini Johannis Fastolfe, or Life and valiant deeds of Sir John Faustoff, or The hundred days war, as told by Sir John Fastolf, K.G., to his secretaries William Worcester, Stephen Scrope, Fr. Brackley, Christopher Hanson, Luke Nanton, John Bussard, and Peter Basset <br />
:: -- "/ now first transcribed, arranged and edited in modern spelling by Robert Nye."<br />
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:: (1st US ed.) LCCN: <a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/76027765">76-27765</a> and OCLC: <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2373077">2373077</a><br />
:: -- (as above)<br />
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: For <i>Falstaff</i> all four linked records give the long title. For <i>Faust</i>, LC gives one-word title for the 1st ed.[https://lccn.loc.gov/80142102], longlong for the 1st US ed.[https://lccn.loc.gov/80039696]. <br />
: Perhaps the longlong titles should appear only in Notes, perhaps best in both Title and Publication records.<br />
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: <s>P.S. At the moment Robert Nye A{{a|5059}} because "merge/variant as approp" remains on my to-do list for three Beowulf titles.</s> --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:59, 24 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::We want the title as the book has it on the title page. You could raise this question on the [[Rules_and_standards_discussions|Rules and standards discussions]] page or the [[ISFDB:Community_Portal|Community Portal]] and see what others have to say. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:47, 25 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hi. I still have that submission on hold. Since you agree that it's a duplicate, would you copy any information you want to preserve into the existing entry and then cancel it when you do not need it any longer? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:34, 14 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: ok {{done}} (and <s>strikeout</s> what is long obsolete above) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:54, 14 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Copyright dates for some of Kipling's ''Just So Stories'' ==<br />
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Hi, I accidentally approved one of your submissions and have put several others on hold: the copyrights of these are assigned for the years 1900 & 1901 to Kipling, but this is not enough to ensure a publication in the respective year. Have you any more evidence for respective publications before 1902? (Per help we assign the original publication date of a title, not the year of copyright or writing.) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:48, 28 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
: I cancelled and resubmitted one of the four (Armadillos) that were on hold because that one alone names a publishing company, Curtis Publishing Company. Five state copyright by Kipling alone, of which four prior to 1902 so that I submitted a change in the "Year" field.<br />
: Wikipedia and others say that three of the twelve stories were published in a children's magazine, evidently by Century Company during 1897. Of the other nine Wikipedia says only that they were added to make the 1902 collection, but I suppose Curtis had published the one somewhere.<br />
: If I understand correctly, the Notes are OK, and may prompt someone to find a deeper source. But the "Year" 1902-00-00 should be retained/restored for three of those on hold and for one that you approved (Leopard). Right?<br />
: Now I must break, perhaps for the day. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:10, 28 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: '''Update.''' Now at the university library where I have access to historical newspapers. Here are the first two of three sentences in one item, "Notes and News" <i>NY Times</i> 1902-04-12 pBR12<br />
:: "Rudyard Kipling has finished three more stories for the <i>Ladies Home Journal</i> in his series of "Just-So Stories", which he has been writing for the magazine.[retaining copyright evidently] The first of the stories will be called 'The Cat That Walked by Himself'."<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:03, 28 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::As this note appeared in 1902, I have restored 1902 as the year of publication: it may be possible (even likely), that some titles were published before the book, but as we don't know yet which of them and when, we better stick with the yet known first publication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:59, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I agree. I fully hope and half expect to find some 1900 to 1902 magazine publication dates with university library facilities, but that is not for today. And I withhold incremental update of the COLLECTION <i>Just So Stories for Little Children</i> T{{t|39137}}. <br />
:::: Technically, are you as moderator able to revise my submission? Or do you mean approve what is on hold and then make another update yourself? (I see in the log of my rejected submissions that you did not reject any, and I don't know of any other log available to me.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:12, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Well, it's only possible to either reject a submission or to accept it and change the new record afterwards in a second step. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:26, 30 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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11 of the 12 stories were previously published in US (9) and UK (2) from December 1897 to October 1902, per Ernest Walter Martindell, ''A Bibliography of the Works of Rudyard Kipling (1881-1921)'', Bookman's Journal, 1922 (located at books.google.com).<br />
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All 12 short story Title records done, with that information --the first three-part serial with links to digital copies at HathiTrust Digital Library. COLLECTION Title not yet updated. <br />
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One month before it published the first of six stories, <i>The Ladies Home Journal</i> April 1900 published an article --not necessarily prose by Kipling-- entitled "Rudyard Kipling's New Animal Stories". That is the top line of the front cover ([http://www.magazineart.org/main.php/v/womens/ladieshomejournal/LadiesHomeJournal1900-04.jpg.html LHJ 1900-04 cover image]).<br />
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--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:51, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Evidently "The Elephant's Child" is the story content published under "Rudyard Kipling's New Animal Stories", April 1900. That explains the 1900 copyright, and I suppose that the title sufficiently explains why the 1926 bibliographer missed it. So I cancelled the submission on hold, focusing on that story's 1902 re-issue in ''The Windsor Magazine''. <br />
: [https://lccn.loc.gov/2007586218 LCCN: 2007-586218]; [https://lccn.loc.gov/2008570150 2008-570150]<br />
: Also I know the original illustrator {{a|Frank Ver Beck|130668}}. That's all for now, no time to write up. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:56, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Pearson's Magazine, October 1902 ==<br />
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Hello. Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304415 this publication], I have put your submission on hold, as I didn't understand your change from 1902-08-00 to 1902-09-00, given the date of publication of the magazine. If this is not a typo, please clarify in the notes if possible. Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 20:55, 20 July 2016 (UTC).<br />
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: I suppose that is a typo, '9' for '0', as I must have intended to change the date of the Title ''Pearson's Magazine - 1902'' T{{t|1049941}} from 1902-08 to 1902-00. Probably I shouldn't have tried to change that along with Publication update ''Pearson's Magazine, October 1902''.<br />
: Just now I submitted merge of the April 1902 number with the 1902 volumes. The merge tool offered two choices to resolve Conflict, 1902-08 and 1902-04, and I selected the latter. <br />
: Probably I should have changed Title ''Pearson's Magazine - 1902'' from Year 1902-09-00 (oversight by previous editor, I suppose) to 1902-00-00 before undertaking to add any more 1902 issues. <br />
: Until 1902-08-00 approved by Hauck a couple hours ago, I had not previously added a number to a magazine year that is in the database, only added a year to a magazine series and added contents to number that is in the database. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:24, 20 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: A glance at other years shows that we date the Pearson titles by year YYYY-00-00 in some instances, and YYYY-MM-00 in other instances. For the latter, 'MM' is the month of the earliest number that is in the database, and I suppose this to be an oversight by previous editor. The title by year YYYY should always carry Year = YYYY-00-00. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:28, 20 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: My subsequent [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3097568 Pending Title Update Submission] includes change of Year from [now 1902-04-00] to 1902-00-00. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:47, 21 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::I'm not sure there's a written rule for this. I usually change the date to "YYYY-00-00" (or simply "YYYY") with titles grouped by year but I've seen other strategies. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:36, 21 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sorry for not answering sooner, as I have been unavailable until now. I'll approve your submission; please make the necessary corrections afterwards. Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 14:02, 21 July 2016 (UTC).<br />
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== Magazine submission ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?579777 This] had a problem with an empty, unclosed anchor tag (it was just <code><a href="</code>) that made a mild mess of the display. I replaced that with XXXXX. It'll need fixing up. I think all of the rest of your note text survived. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:22, 26 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Harper's Weekly Magazine First Publications ==<br />
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I have three edits by you on hold. In each case, you are adding a statement regarding first published in Harper's Weekly. However, in each of these cases, the applicable Harper's Weekly publication is already in the database and contains the story. First published statements at the title level are only needed when the pub is not cataloged. If the pub is cataloged, they are redundant. You have also added notes regarding page numbers, heading, and illustrations that belong in the applicable pubs; not at the title level. I will leave these on hold for you to move the information into the applicable pubs. When done, please cancel the edits. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:22, 6 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
: One done in part, using page numbers "1193" and "|1193" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3147240 Submission 3147240].<br />
: Do you think it is reasonable to put all of this info in the Note? (as I have not done; this is copy-paste from deleted submission 3146213):<br />
:: p1193-94, with 4 illustrations by Richards, uncredited (clearly signed "F. T. Richards")<br />
: Commonly our book publication Notes cover attribution explicitly, when that differs from credit per title page (or from general sources such as Amazon or LCCN, if t.p. is not viewed). That is by policy as I understand it. Generally I have not replicated such information in the relevant Title records, in this case the F. T. Richards INTERIORART record, but it seems appropriate to do so. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:46, 6 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that would be appropriate. Stating the book doesn't have a credit statement, but the artwork is signed is valid information. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:05, 6 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:# I did mean "appropriate to do" it in both records (wording may differ): in the publication record (here, a magazine issue) and the title record (here, interiorart comprising N illustrations). It occurs to me now that we have a very great number of publication records derived from each other by cloning, and many generated partly by importing titles. We cannot practically expect notes on attribution to be replicated for every publication that contains a title, so the title records "need" such notes.<br />
:# One of the three remains on hold ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3146212 Submission 146212]) because it concerns a story T{{t|1016675}} published under variant title that is in the database. Here the variant long title is the original, under a natural interpretation of the original heading; see my submitted Note. Perhaps the long original should have been made the canonical title, but suppose we let it be. Moments ago you linked to the current Rules and Standards discussion a 2014 exchange [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive12#Variant_Dating Archive 12#Variant Dating]]. Your recommendation, approved by Mhhutchins, as I understand it in this case: "Title: Ghosts That Have Haunted Me" should be dated 1896-12-19 because it's the canonical title and that's the first publication of the work. Right? And "Ghosts That Have Haunted Me: A Few Spirit Reminiscences" should be dated 1896-12-19 too, of course, because that's the first publication under that title.<br />
:: Good night, late here in USA. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]<br />
:::Title record notes should contain information specific to the title. Publication record notes should contain information specific to the publication. Each publication record is supposed to identify the source of the information (either via primary verification or a secondary source note). Publication records missing sourcing does not mean the sourcing should be placed at the title record, it means the publication record should be fixed. In fact moving it to the title record it counterproductive as just because it is one way in one publication does not mean it is that way in all publications.<br />
:::Re the remaining edit: Based on that edit, the Harpers Weekly edition had the subtitle. Therefore, the current parent should be removed from the publication and the variant with the subtitle added. The note still belongs in the publication. Just because Harpers had the subtitle does not mean every other occurrence used it. I've gone ahead and made the changes.<br />
:::Yes, both should have the same date. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:44, 9 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Preface (Dracula's Guest) ==<br />
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I have your edit to {{T|878884|Preface (Dracula's Guest)}} on hold. Did you mean to add this synopsis and notes to {{T|83927|Dracula's Guest}} instead? They seem meant for that shortstory and not the essay. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:03, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:I see you made a subsequent edit to add the information to "Dracula's Guest". As such, I have rejected the edit to the preface since the content is about the shortstory and not about the essay. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:08, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: No, i submitted different material, citing/quoting the same Summary presumably from 2013 publisher Hachette Audio, to the SHORTFICTION and ESSAY title records, as i deemed appropriate. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:16, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Resubmitted in part, with greater clarity i hope. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:00, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Catacombs: A Tale of the Barque Cats ==<br />
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A bit late, but I answered your request on my page :-) --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] 18:09, 21 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Smith of Wootton Major" merge ==<br />
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I had to hard-reject your merge of "Smith of Wootton Major". One of the titles involved with the merge no longer exists (probably merged away in another submission). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:46, 25 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Evidently I submitted it twice, working from a long "Check for Duplicates" report without refreshing. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:12, 25 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Philippa Fisher's Fairy Godsister ==<br />
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Found the cover artists of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1982057 this cover art] at iStockphoto.com and changed it. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 19:51, 18 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Continued with wikilinks at [[User talk:Zapp#iStockphoto, Simon Spoon]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:23, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Subtitles ==<br />
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We don't use "A Novel" as a subtitle, ever. Cheers --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 21:01, 20 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Rejected "The Street of Mars" ==<br />
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I rejected this book as non-genre. The story concerns some kids in England, who are fascinated by some Roman ruins in their town. The streets in those ruins are named after various Roman gods, and they have some modest adventures on the street named after the god "Mars". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:34, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. You must have a good source for used books. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:23, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Black Cauldron ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?156761 this pub] found and put in. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 18:08, 11 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi, Zapp. Actually I know the Jean-Leon Huens and Jody Lee cover illustrations on sight; apparently so does my correspondent [[User:Taweiss]]. See [[User:Pwendt/People#Prydain covers]] (data as of 2016-07-07; numerals 1-5 in sublists designate the five novels). <br />
: The problems in mid-2010s are how to find sources that are reliable and what to do about all the bad data we have, some from editors who are no longer with us.<br />
: We have records such as {{t|143244|COVERART 143244}} for Dell Yearling ''The Book of Three'' with Jody Lee "Author" and a cover illustrated by Huens displayed. ''The High King'' is worse, {{t|144106}}.<br />
: The management of Dell Yearling imprint is most to blame, in my opinion, producing books that (a) use one ISBN for multiple designs, different cover artists if not also different sizes; while also (b) do not identify their cover artists and (c) do not date their printings. So we have books with different printing numbers and prices (certainly and almost certainly increasing as time passes, but that isn't good enough).<br />
: I never investigated, never started to learn, the process for correcting any records verified by retired editors. Eg [[User:Dragoondelight]] --altho I see that one did retire with notice "take over any/all that you might wish".<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:18, 11 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A thousand Miles an Hour'' ==<br />
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After approval, I uploaded a better cover scan, where the artist's signature is visible. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSNDMLSNH1924 here]. Cheers ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 17:32, 17 November 2016 (UTC).<br />
: Thanks. That is better than I found at e-Bay. By the way, the Kindle edition shows bright colors (http://www.amazon.com/thousand-miles-hour-Herbert-Strang/dp/B003UM47G8#reader_B00BWE78AI; Look Inside; scroll up). I will put that in error report to SFE3, which has cover artist D C Eyles elsewhere. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:44, 17 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Last Western ==<br />
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Hello, can you be more precise about the spec-fic elements of this book (I didn't find anything really conclusive)? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Hi. I don't know the book but stumbled upon its record in the database, and added more data from libraries, in the course of determining that Thomas S. Klise is the father of Kate and M. Sarah Klise.<br />
: Web search hits a fan review-conversation "The Great, Forgotten Sci-Fi Novel About The End Of The World" in which one of them calls it this "Very 1970s Catholic Social Apocalypse/Baseball Novel". I'll read it and try add something to the Title record. <br />
: today i can check contemporary newspapers too ... --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::I stumbled on the same page but after reading it (the page not the novel) I wasn't that convinced. The author is not on SFE3 and other usual sources so without any further evidence, I'm going to delete it. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:01, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: I find no review in multiple newspapers 1974 (and it was published early in the year). Sometimes I have access to journals and magazines, but not today.<br />
:::: One advertisement by a Chicago bookstore (send $6.95 plus 40c p&h per copy) quotes three reviews and also Walter M. Miller of ''Canticle for Leibowitz'' --the most apt author I can think of, but this is what we call "near-future" history evidently, in contrast to Miller's millenia.<br />
:::: The blurbs quoted from three reviews say in part "the most exciting and significant event in religious publishing in many many a moon", "a prophetic statement that dwarfs most others"; and "one of the most important religious books of the decade"; and "speculative fiction at its finest!". <br />
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:::: The first Customer Review at Amazon.com [https://www.amazon.com/last-Western-Thomas-S-Klise/dp/0913592315/ref=la_B001KMSE3W_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1480875380&sr=1-1] reports that it was essentially self-published (thus no reviews) and observies, "The Last Western's near-future setting makes it a speculative science fiction novel as well (R.A. Lafferty and Philip Jose Farmer both blurbed it)." And another says "A moving allegorical tale of grace, sin and redemption", ^a modern equivalent of Bunyan's "A Pilgrim's Progress"^ --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Blind" merges ==<br />
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Hello, I've rejected some of your proposed cover merges as there was no images for some titles so no way to determine if it's indeed the same cover. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:17, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: OK. I resubmitted MakeVariant for the one "Harold Siegel" title that does have a cover image.<br />
: For a couple weeks I have the Viking hardcover with dustjacket, library copy in clear plastic wrapper. Maybe I will look up how to make and upload an ISFDB-compatible cover image. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dr. Dolittle and the Green Canary ==<br />
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Hello, in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?598849 this pub] there seems to be a duplicate. Perhaps is the SHORTFICTION record an INTERIORART one. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:42, 27 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cosmopolitan, July 1889 ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your sumission but deleted the INTERIORART record. Only fiction is entered for nongenre magazines. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:45, 16 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Rose Royal'' price ==<br />
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Did you mean to include a price on {{P|88898|Rose Royal}}? It came through with just "$". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:22, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
: No, I noticed '$' in the table for another Nesbit book and thought that's a good idea to indicate UK/US ed without opening the publication records. I meant to enter '£' for Dormant too T{{t|197008}} (altho price surely less than £1) but overlooked it. Should it be deprecated? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:15, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
::I don't know. I wouldn't submit one that way, but others are, and the submissions are being approved, so you're just following precedent. They are easy enough to find and fix if someone decides we don't want them. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:42, 24 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Complete Book of Dragons'' clone ==<br />
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Hi. I don't understand the ''Complete Book of Dragons'' clone you've submitted. Doesn't it duplicate {{P|88864|this}}? Also, the notes say "1st US ed." but then you've given "£" as the price. So I'm a little confused. Help? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 03:19, 26 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
: evidently I did export contents from 1973 us to 1972 uk. So the clone is earlier mistake I neglected to delete. <br />
: good night --Pwendt from mobile keyboard without tilde afaik<br />
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== Earlier Dates ==<br />
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Hello, when you create a new record for a title that is earlier than the existing one (as you probably did with some Nesbit titles), please remember to change all the dates to the new earlier one, if not they will appear on a cleanup report and will have to be changed by a moderator. Thanks [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Wikipedia images ==<br />
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We can't link to Wikipedia, but generally images posted to Wikipedia are licensed in such a way that you can download them and upload them to the ISFDB (citing the source). Wikipedia provides a link to the license information for the image, so you can check the terms. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:20, 8 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Sequence of URL in Webpages field (Julie/Eloisa) ==<br />
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Hello, I believe I have this issue straightened out.<br />
The way that the site orders these links, the last link entered always appears at the left as the first link in the list. So for your links<br />
: Vol I http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries00gardgoog<br />
: Vol II http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries04rousgoog<br />
: Vol III http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries02rousgoog<br />
: Vol IV http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries01rousgoog<br />
I entered them into the Title Record in reverse:<br />
: Vol IV http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries01rousgoog<br />
: Vol III http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries02rousgoog<br />
: Vol II http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries04rousgoog<br />
: Vol I http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries00gardgoog<br />
So that the end result is the display order that you are trying to achieve. Of course, if someone adds another link to the list, it will appear first, but these four links should still appear in the proper order.<br />
[[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 17:50, 11 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. Webpages must frequently be displayed in poorly chosen sequence partly because few editors know this! --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:15, 11 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Jena Anderson ==<br />
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I have your edit to add a link to {{A|Jena Anderson}} on hold. There really isn't anything about the artist on that page (other than a statement she did the covers). Did you include the correct link? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:09, 22 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
: It wasn't a good resolution, altho it was what I intended in a hasty revisit after poking around the web on my phone. (I'm abbreviated on Tuesdays and I was sharply abbreviated on this one.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:14, 22 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding fictive days in publication date ==<br />
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Hello, I've reverted your changes that wished to add a fictive day (to order the publications). Such a practice (even documented in the notes) is creating new false information. Perhaps would the projected "Printing rank" field help you in the future. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:57, 3 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
: That wasn't me. It was my phone :--;<br />
: Thanks. My record of the 1st printing was a complement to that of the 2nd printing by user Chavey, who has not yet replied to my note. Probably its best if you add a comment there too, [[User talk:Chavey#The Secret Garden]]. <br />
: A printing rank field would have some value. I wouldn't give that change high priority. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:26, 3 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
:: I am not able to get to that book at present. I did a couple of those "artificial dates" some time ago, but I don't anymore, and don't object to having it taken out (as Hauk did). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:41, 4 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Fouqué versus Fouque ==<br />
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The software/database considers "é" to match "e". So because we have an entry "Friedrich de La Motte Fouque", you cannot also create another entry "Friedrich de La Motte Fouqué" -- the software matches that latter accented text to the existing un-accented text. The best we can do is use whichever version is more prevalent and note deviations where they occur. You could try to determine whether changing the name to "Friedrich de La Motte Fouqué" would be appropriate. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:23, 4 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Where Magic Reigns: German Fairy Tales Since Grimm ==<br />
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Your recent edits to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?617607 Where Magic Reigns: German Fairy Tales Since Grimm] have left Undine with a publication date later than the anthology it appears in. I have approved it but it will need to be fixed. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 20:13, 14 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Another editor picked it up evidently.<br />
: I do proofread much next day but not so much as I do on the 20 minute cycle.<br />
: --Pwendt<br />
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== External Identifiers ==<br />
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External identifiers (OCLC, LCCN, etc.) should no longer go into the notes field, but now into the new External Identifiers field on the publication editing screen. Select the specific type from the pull down, and just enter the number. The software makes the link automatically. If you have more than one, just the "Add External ID" button. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:52, 9 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Old Man Gully's Hant ==<br />
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Hello, I've put your submission on hold. I'm wondering what you're trying to achieve. This will create a new canonical for an author that has only one record so is its own canonical. Data about the real name can go in the notes. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 20:37, 10 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
: My purpose was not to add the writer's real name or full name (for which we have one Author field) but to add the original author and year of this story, in a 1911 collection. LC has records of two books by this writer, both as Sarah Johnson Cocke. Both are also listed at [http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Cocke%2C%20Sarah%20Johnson Online Books by Sarah Johnson Cocke].<br />
: The collection has been reprinted, in a [https://www.amazon.com/Bypaths-Dixie-Sarah-Johnson-Cocke-ebook/dp/B00ANUM8EI Kindle edition] among others, but I don't plan add it, or to assess its contents. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:42, 12 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
::OK, your aims are clearer. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:17, 12 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Notes templates ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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We have a few new-ish templates that can be used in Notes, including one for LCCN. If you use that one instead of direct links, if they ever change the format of their links or their server, a single change in the template will keep the link correct (as opposed to needing to change them in each publication. The complete list is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Linking_Templates here]. You are writing some pretty impressive notes in titles so I thought I would bring these to your attention. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:48, 24 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
: Gentle reminder :) I just changed the direct link to worldcat's OCLC record [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?983244 here] to the template. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:15, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1375484 here] :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hi. The instruction seems to have publication records in mind. (Maybe the instruction needs expansion.)<br />
::: "The use of linking templates should be limited to third party records which are not directly related to the publication, e.g. "The skeleton OCLC record {{OCLC|123456}} may be related." (And I don't know the meaning of "skeleton OCLC record".)<br />
::: Do we have any discussion of how much blue ink is desirable in various kinds of records?<br />
::: For a story title record --many of my submissions this summer-- frequently the original magazine (eg, <i>St. Nicholas</i>) or original illustrator (eg, W. R. Lohse) is in the database but I do not routinely link them (and never link publisher pages).<br />
::: Of course the numerical library catalog IDs are meaningless --and stable, we hope?-- whereas magazine and personal names are meaningful --and our canonical names are not stable; poorly chosen canonical names are corrected, albeit slowly. There is a good argument for using in Notes a version that appears in a relevant publication. <br />
::: If and when we have a "What links here?" feature, it will be desirable that Notes include links to our database pages, especially personal pages. For instance, from {{a|W. R. Lohse}} it would then be possible to list records in which he is noted --such as this one of my recent Notes T{{t|1375033}}. (I didn't provide any internal or external links, nor cite a library catalog record. That one is on my list to add the original 1922 publication to the database.) <br />
::: Do we have any discussion of these issues?<br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:46, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::: P.S. Commonly when I add a Title note that is "complete" rather than "to be continued", I have in hand multiple external source IDs such as LCCN, OCLC, and ASIN. Thus I could provide, or impose, a lot more blue ink. The records you approved this hour, such as T{{t|1375484}}, link (and cite) OCLC rather than LCCN because in this case all three OCLC records list the Contents, and LCCN do not. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:55, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::: The idea of most of the templates is to replace links in all Notes fields - so if you are planning to add a link to OCLC, LCCN and so on in your text, instead of the link, just use the template - thus minimizing the chances for a technical mistake and allowing the links to be changed if one of those sources reindex or change the format of the links without chasing all variations. If you just want to list OCLC records with no link, you still can do that of course. The instructions do need an update - they need to start pointing to external identifiers as well (so people know not to put those in notes anymore). On the publication level, the templates are to be used when the link cannot be pulled into an External Identifier (thus the way the note is written) - related records and so on. I will work on a proposed new documentation (thanks for the reminder) :) So technically it won't have more blue ink - same number of links remain, they just look a bit different.<br />
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::::: Think of the templates as links shortcuts - if it is on the list and you are adding a link, use the shortcut instead :) They do not replace all links (if the format does not suit what you are doing, go for a real link), neither they replace non-linked references. They are just links for the references(or texts for a few special cases - the Translator one is a text only but its usage will help us find all records with a Translator note when the feature for that is implemented).<br />
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::::: So the note here from me is not about the cases where you are not linking but when you are (I think I changed only those - did I manage to change by mistake something that was not a link initially? Apologies if I did - please send an update removing the template and I will approve it). <br />
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::::: If you would like a discussion on when it is worth using those and when not, go ahead. But as I said, my note is just for the case where you already have a direct link. As I said above - I find your notes very informative so I am not arguing why you have the references - I am just pointing out that we have a faster and more stable way to do the links now :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:06, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Supernaturalist ==<br />
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I thought that only illustrators were classified as Cover Artists and not designers? In your verified version of {{P|562749|The Supernaturalist}} the cover artists are specified as Alexander Garkusha and Stephan von Bolderick. On the back cover of my copy of {{P|116881|The Supernaturalist}} it states <I>Cover design by Alexander Garkusha. 3-D rendering by Stephan van Bolderick</I>. Note it is <I>van</I> not <I>von</I>. So I wonder if they should be removed from the Cover Artist field. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 10:18, 29 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: No doubt ''van'' Bolderick, as I wrote in the Note. Certainly I didn't notice that our Author name we have is Stephen ''von'' Bolderick, and I don't recall whether that was my typo or whether the Dutch-language cover was in the database, which I imported or merged without seeing the variant spelling.<br />
: The Dutch edition is not verified now. I don't how to find any creators of that publication record P{{p|528633}}, nor whether we maintain records from which any administrator can find them. Since I understand ''van'' to be Dutch and ''von'' German, I suppose the Dutch edition states ''van''. <br />
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: '''Main point.''' See three others of mine, the trilogy {{s|Philippa Fisher}}, re which I did initiate relevant Rules & Standards discussion that you should read, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive14#Entering_authors_as_credited--complex_attributions Entering authors as credited--complex attributions]. One aspect re ''The Supernaturalist'' must be whether "Digital Vision" should be credited as an author, or Garkusha, etc. Probably I judged that discussion inconclusive as a guide to practice. If you "search the database" for probably offending Names --[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=digital+vision&type=Name Name search : Digital Vision], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=istockphoto&type=Name : iStockphoto], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=getty+images&type=Name : Getty] -- you will probably be offended!<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:08, 10 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Answering your inquiries. ==<br />
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Just to let you know I answered your inquiry to best of abilities for now. Please let me know how you want to proceed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:17, 28 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Page Numbers for Ebooks ==<br />
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Ebooks shouldn't have page numbers. Even though many Project Gutenberg transcriptions leave the "page numbers," they don't equate to real pages so we don't record them. I accepted your edits to ''Edmund Dulac's Fairy-Book: Fairy Tales of the Allied Nations'', but edited the publication to change the page numbers from "#" to "|#" (this uses the page numbering for ordering purposes, but doesn't display it). Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:00, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
: OK. Now I submitted the page numbers to the 1st ed. (Hodder & Stoughton, 1916), which are identical, from its HathiTrust e-copy. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3578155 Submission 3578155]<br />
:: Note to self: identical pagination but extended by one extra story p171-74, namely the lead story in 1915 ''Edmund Dulac's Picture-Book for the French Red Cross'' announced ''The Observer'' 1915-09-19 p3, promoted -11-21 p5 "should and will be the gift book of the season" at 3/- , with "appeal for funds to be sent to him direct, care of the Daily Telegraph" [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100298600 at HDL] <br />
: This list of Contents (to be checked tomorrow) is nearly as long as I am happy to fix manually --add page numbers to each record and, as i recall, import one here and two there. Do you think it is reasonable to complete Contents in publication A; remove all contents from publication B; export all contents from A to B with page numbers? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:48, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, that works if all the page numbers are the same. Be sure to add notes to the moderator explaining what you are doing when you remove the contents. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:50, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: I'll try that some next time. Frequently the sequence of Contents is identical in multiple publication records, perhaps because a previous editor has Export Contents or Clone from one to the other, after adding Contents but without page numbers (or sequence as published). In this case, however, the Contents were once as published and once alphabetical by title! (and a couple were missing) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:17, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== McClure's - 1906 ==<br />
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I have your addition of a McClure's magazine on hold. What month is this issue? It should be entered as an individual issue (McClure, Month Year) so the publication has the correct title. The title record would then get merged into a single year title. Also, you did not include a source statement in the pub notes field. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:44, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
: If it is to be done that way, I need some instruction, not found at Help > New Magazine. After a summer of much reduced activity I have forgotten much that I didn't use frequently. <br />
: As I suggest in the Note to Moderator [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3601041], I planned to merge the two "McClure's - 1906" with the old Note and new date 1906-00-00 (rather than 1906-06-00). Offhand I don't know how to merge to Title records that do not share author ("Editors of McClure's") and nearly share title. I merge only via the "Check Duplicate Titles" feature of the summary bibliography [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?115684]. In fact, I don't believe that I have forgotten another way to merge!<br />
: Then I would fix the Publication title and give it date 1906-05-00 (rather than 1906-00-00). <br />
: Thanks in advance. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:19, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::While that makes merging the title records easier, the problem is that it creates a publication record titled "McClure's - 1906". The publication record needs to be "McClure, Month Year". I've gone ahead and approved it so you can {{P|638128|see what I mean}}. Please fix it. Usually, the easiest way to combine magazine records into a single title record is to go to the editor's summary page ({{A|Editors of McClure's|115684}} in this case) and use the "Show All Titles" link. That will show the titles and you can select and merge them from there. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:35, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: Done.<br />
::: Perhaps in the past I submitted a New Magazine (Publication record) whose annual (Title record) year is not yet represented in the database. Probably Mhhutchins, who moderated most of my first 500, taught the other approach in that context. Of course there would be no Merge step at all: 1. create the annual Title record, 2. fix the Publication record that is automatically generated. Do you recommend another approach in that context? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:02, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::I would recommend using add new magazine and setting the magazine title to the correct thing (ex: "McClure, March 2018"). Then either use show all titles to merge the title records or change the title record to "McClure - 2018" and then using check for duplicates to merge. I think that approach is clearer. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:46, 23 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Frank Adams ==<br />
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I have your Frank Adams related edits on hold. While I agree the cartoon and illustrator are likely to be different people, what is your sourcing for the people you identify? Your moderator notes seems to make it sound like you are assuming they are the respective artists vs. having a source. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:42, 5 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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: OK. First I will add another book or three by Frank Adams, at least ''Alice in Wonderland''. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:57, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::Not exactly sure how to interpret that... For now, I rejected the edits & then disambiguated the artist. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:23, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::: OK. I see you disambig'd them in the opposite fashion. Last hour I submitted one publication of the 1912 ''Alice in Wonderland'' as by Frank Adams. I now know that he is the illustrator of ''The Wolf-Leader'' and many nursery rhymes, etc, but I am out of time. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:36, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::::I flipped them. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:31, 7 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::::: Thanks <br />
1. {{a|Frank Adams}}, British illustrator of nursery picture book mainly, is clear from the library records i consulted and some crucial images available online. AuthorUpdate [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3644945 submission 3644945] is experimental in format regarding how to use the {BREAK} command; I don't know whether that can be previewed when used correctly.<br><br />
: That update has been approved and I see that I did use {BREAK} adequately, as double-braces inline. ... (continued below)<br />
His Top 20 works/titles at WorldCat appear to be 15 nursery picture books, ''The Compleat Angler'' and ''Alice'', and three other books for adults including ''The Wolf-Leader'' (and two non-genre). Those three are not in the British Library catalogue as by "Frank Adams, 1871-1944" but the others are, and signatures show that this Frank Adams is the same one who provided a few illustrations for ''Wolf-Leader'' (and ''Barbara''). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:25, 7 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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2. {{a|Frank Adams (I)}}, creator of two cartoons published in 1950s pulp magazines, I did suppose on Tuesday to be the American WWII cartoonist 1914-1987 with page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Adams_%28artist%29 at English Wikipedia]. (I don't say "covered" at Wikipedia and know that that page may be deleted.) I have more data on this Frank Adams but I don't know that any should be used. Perhaps only indicated in a Note.<br><br />
: Only occasionally during the last few months I continue to add content to Author and Bio space in the ISFDB Wiki. Almost always that is update of an existing page, and commonly one that I created myself. (On instruction by Mhhutchins late in his tenure here, previously I used database Note fields where available, Magazine Publisher Series, but the Note field was not available for Author records.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:01, 7 December 2017 (EST) <br />
I did suppose the match with Frank Adams (I) on the evidence only that cartoonist and time-period are fitting; American nationality fits the 1952/1953 Ziff-Davis publications; and his [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56221 April 1953 ''Amazing Stories''] title "Lathrop, I'll have to ask you to stick with the rest of the party." (page 105) plus the following story title "The Invaders" (page 107) both broadly fit the war-time cartoonist reputation. Well, it seems likely to me that an American pulp published during the Korean War would run a cartoon by a known WWII cartoonist. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:44, 7 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:I found an example of his signature on-line and it is very similar to the cartoon. Without definitive proof though, I'm leery of bibliography by coincidence. That's an easy path to making errors. I added the info to the author notes for {{A|Frank Adams (I)|263053}}. As for the wiki, we are no longer using it for new notes. It is in the process of being phased out (very slowly, content is being copied from the wiki to the relevant notes field & the wiki pages deleted). Mhhutchins instructions would have been before that change. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:32, 8 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== The Adventures of a Brownie, As Told to My Child ==<br />
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Hi, I approved your submission for {{T|2191680|The Adventures of a Brownie, As Told to My Child}}, but the note contents you submitted look like they are a bit messed-up. Did you probably forget some text in the note (see the "Uncredited" there)? Also, the HTML formatting of the bullet points was not correct. The correct HTML structured is like this (the text goes ''behind'' the <nowiki><li></nowiki> element, not before):<br />
<source lang="html4strict"><br />
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<li>Item 1<br />
<li>Item 2<br />
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</source><br />
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: I did mean the first item simply "Uncredited". I submitted a format fix. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:24, 30 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Project Gutenberg Links ==<br />
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When the Project Gutenberg text has been entered as publication, links to Project Gutenberg test do not belong at the title level as they specific to that single publication. The software will automatically link to Project Gutenberg on the publication page for the Project Gutenberg ebook. And when the Project Gutenberg text has not been entered as a publication, it is usually better to enter the Project Gutenberg ebook as a new publication than to add a title record level link. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:45, 26 February 2018 (EST)<br />
: Hi. Under what conditions does the software provide a link to any Project Gutenberg Ebook? For instance publication record P{{p|416826}} does not evidently provide a link even to Project Gutenberg itself (that is, I don't know where it is displayed) although the Catalog ID and Publisher fields are completed correctly. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:01, 26 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::It is on the left, under "Other Sites". --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:11, 27 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Cloning backward in time ==<br />
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Hello, when you clone a record "backward" in time as you did with <i>These Little Ones</i>, the contents appears on our cleanup report lest you change their dates (that are set the cloned book later date). It means that you have either to change the dates in the to-be-cloned record first (in one go) or to change the individual dates after cloning at title level (which is whay I had to do). Thanks for remembering this potential problem. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 02:01, 27 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Type changes ==<br />
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When changing the type of a title with a single publication, you can change it via the "Change Publication" screen together (as it is a single, it does not get greyed out) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:19, 30 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Hugh Haughton ==<br />
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You mentioned a WorldCat link in the moderator note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?116402 the edit of this guy] ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3776102 note visible here]) but there was no WorldCat link in the bunch? And all 3 you have added are confirmed - they work and they point where they should :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:09, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. That composition was nearly ready to submit when I discovered and visited the Wikipedia page. I copied that URL and replaced the WorldCat as Webpage 2 but neglected to change WorldCat to Wikipedia in the Note to Moderator. <br />
: (I add WorldCat links only to author pages where English[and some other] Wikipedia biography page is not available with that link at the foot, which sometimes but rarely pertains to a second WorldCat page for the same person. Not so for LCCN, as English[at least] Wikipedia routinely provides LCCN link without point of entry to the Online Catalog, which is the main point in my opinion.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:30, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: I never use WorldCat for authors so I was not looking for the link specifically - I pinged you only because I saw the note and decided to let you know that I do not see the referenced link - when editors write notes (which is always a great thing to do), I make sure I pay attention :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:42, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks for the notice. Please continue under similar circumstances. <br />
::: By policy I begin the line "[br]later" when it and all that follows is a note to self. Since "later check newspapers" is most common and commonly first stated, and I may have 1000 submissions such, I suppose that regular moderators know "later ..." is a note to myself (albeit commonly revealing grounds for more confidence in the submission, even at a glance). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:51, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::: Oh, I know - I tended to do the same :) Still do - even as a moderator - actually. I was coming over anyway to let you know that you are missing a link - so I checked the other 2 - otherwise I would have left it for you to figure out and check (as I usually do) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:55, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Hard Reject on Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass ==<br />
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I had to hard reject the edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325659 this title]. The earlier merge of the two introductions retained the ID of the title that was not originally in this one - so this submission became invalid. I think I got the idea so I reapplied the |1-4 numbers - can you just verify that I got the order correctly (the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3776036 submission] shows only the first 2 elements - the two novels - and I extrapolated from there). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. It's good. My purpose was only to mimic the Contents display by another editor at the 2010 ed./printing P{{p|325659}}. Sometimes I submit "2nd of 3", etc, in foolish sequence, or neglect to numeral one of them. Even if I were perfect clerically, I would need study to learn when a particular sequence is necessary. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:41, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Any merge can cause troubles (depending on which ID remains and which one is dropped - you have a 50/50 chance of a followup update being valid) - so if you are doing a sequence that will contain a merge, either send the Merge first and wait for it to be approved or do all BUT the merge and when all is done, submit the merge. The sequence is good - it tells a moderator that you are working on it so they do not need to jump and do the next steps (and it also tells them to look for the rest of the sequence). Other actions that can cause issues: A date/name change of a story/essay/another element via "Publication Edit" - if someone clones/adds publication (thus making these unavailable for edit from the pub edit page), the edit is also erroring. Any deletes will also cause issues. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:46, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There ==<br />
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Why are you trying to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3777027 clone another publication] and not just edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?529935 this one]? What are the differences between the two? It needs a name change from what I can see (title page vs cover) but it seems to be the same book? Am I missing something? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:26, 10 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: I didn't know the two print publications were in the database when I submitted that, only the ebook. <br />
: Please hold the submission. For now I'll fix the ebook instead and leave both print ISBn 978-0-14-310762-0 publications in the database for discussion. I don't know the database model well enough, and don't trust its execution well enough anyway, to judge whether or not those two are "the same book". So ISBn 978-0-14-310762-0 is in the database three times for now, two approved and available in publication view and others, one on hold. <br />
: At Community Portal the heading will be some something like "Penguin Books and Penguin Books (US), for instance". <br />
: P.S. Only now I discover the advanced publication search by external identifier, eg [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/external_id_search_results.cgi?ID_TYPE=1&ID_VALUE=B00OQS4C8S ASIN B00OQS4C8S]. It needs several steps so I won't routinely use it in Note to Moderator but it's good to have.<br />
: --Pwendt 14:31, [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:51, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Both the book you are trying to submit and the one we have say Penguin Books (US) so I am not entirely sure what you mean. It is the same ISBN, the same format, the same dates an it is not verified - no reason to believe it is a different book. I can accept yours and delete the one we have but in the future, try to search by ISBN before adding (that would have found the tp) :) Let me know if you want me to proceed with approving and deleting the duplicate. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:52, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::: Our two records of print ISBn 978-0-14-310762-0 publications say "Penguin Books" and "Penguin Books (US)", whose meaning I will pursue. I prefer those two records remain, temporarily. I submitted the Charlie Lovett edition-edition (Penguin Classics Deluxe Edition) in its digital edition-format if you know what I mean. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::: One is the US edition, one is the UK edition. They are ok. This is standard handling for the publishers that are publishing on both sides of the ocean. The issue here is the THIRD one you are trying to add, that will be an exact copy to the already existing US one. Which will end up with 2 US and 1 UK edition of the ISBN and the two US ones are exactly the same. Thus one needs to go. Yours have more details so I can accept it and delete the existing US one - so we will still have 2 at the end. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:35, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I've approved yours, deleted the duplicate. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:38, 20 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: OK. Having returned from a very long weekend I continue work in progress on the Lovett, Haughton, and Green omnibus eds. of Alice. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:31, 24 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== About your test ==<br />
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<nowiki>{{LCCN|n79072843}}</nowiki> works in the regular notes; it does not work in the moderator notes :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:00, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}}<br />
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== Three Gothic Novels ==<br />
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Did you mean to add "1 belated hit 2018-04-26 in US newspapers:" in the NOTES of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?224681 this one]? If so - can you add more notes clarifying what exactly that means because it reads like gibberish to me and it does not connect to the rest of the notes in any way or form :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:20, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: ("belated" was inspired --or uninspired obscurity as you say-- for the late newspaper date; in notice on the retired verifier's talk page [[User talk:Swfritter#Three Gothic Novels]], I used boldface emphasis to the same effect<br />
: Yes, I'll do that--tomorrow unless I must forego the university library until Saturday (*). It turns out that I do hit the book as "Three Gothic Novels" in 1966 newspapers --which I missed in "Castle of Otranto" search yesterday-- so I will rewrite the offending note. But I must depart.<br />
:(*) I save links from successful search such as this but they operate only when I am again at the university library, benefiting from a building subscription to ProQuest Historical Newspapers. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:17, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: And I'll rearrange/format Gutenberg 696 P{{p|338196}} --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:18, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: {{Done}}. And done. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:06, 28 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Heartsease ==<br />
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This kind of details belong to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558917 proper pub note], not just the moderator ones. So I moved them in. Feel free to rewrite. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:45, 30 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}}<br />
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== Source ==<br />
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Any source that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3805737 this] does not actually have a cover from Stacey? Just because WorldCat says that there are 6 illustrations, that does not mean that he did not do the cover as well. Or am I missing something here? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
: The record gives no other source. Probably someone cut and paste hastily to the cover art field; evidently careless as interior art not entered. As I depart. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:42, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: OK then. I was also looking around and cannot find the attribution. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:38, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}}<br />
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== The Beast of Bradhurst Avenue ==<br />
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Hey, thanks a lot for digging through ProQuest for me; I found all the chapters and created serial records for them, so it's all finished now. Best, --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 16:08, 11 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Marianne Dreams ==<br />
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Can you please revise this statement: "Price from capsule in "Briefing"" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?672161 Marianne Dreams]? I am not sure what capsule would mean here and/or what you meant but as it stands, it is unclear. I can just revise it to read "Price from the "Briefing" section" but if you meant something else, please go ahead and revise it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:10, 28 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Done (capsule review) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:46, 28 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Planned Project Scope Expansion ==<br />
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(I am leaving this note on the Talk pages of some of the more active editors to make sure that we are not missing anything. If you have been following [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this Rules and Standards discussion] and agree with the proposal, please ignore this note.)<br />
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As per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this discussion], [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] is about to be expanded to include:<br />
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* Speculative ''fiction'' webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues<br />
* Special speculative ''fiction'' issues of non-genre webzines<br />
* One time speculative ''fiction'' anthologies published on the Web<br />
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If you believe that this scope expansion may cause unforeseen and/or undesirable consequences, please share your thoughts on the Rules and Standards page. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:20, 4 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Emer's Ghost ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Both the cover and OCLC show the author of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3895892 this one] as Sefton and not Waddell. Do you have access to a title page that shows the book credited to Waddell directly? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:21, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
: No, Sefton. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:37, 8 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
: I replaced that submission. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:49, 8 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Ben Shecter ==<br />
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I have approved the addition of Ben Shecter's biographical information and clarified the nature of his theater/film/etc work. I also replaced the link to [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.arts.books.childrens/dGQ9ripbaHA/58gS2iUsWfIJ this Usenet post] with a link to the [http://carriehaddadgallery.com/index.cfm?method=Artist.ArtistDetail&ArtistID=54F43589-19DB-5802-E040D9D389DBFB09 source of Lenona's information]. She posts a lot of useful biobibliographical sketches on Usenet, but her information comes from other sources, which she always credits. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:53, 1 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks. I found the Caddad Gallery page and followed some other links that Lenona provided but I didn't notice any source for "Happy 80th", and thus for the implied birthdate 1935-04-28. Else I would, or should and might, have entered a source URL or two as necessary.<br />
: Concerning the other procedure, Shecter and mis-spelled Shechter, I continue at [[User talk:Ahasuerus#Ben Shecter, Author merge]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:38, 1 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''A Sensational Trance'' ==<br />
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I accepted your edit to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558644 A Sensational Trance], but could you please look again at the note as it appears incomplete. I'm particularly puzzled by "8vo.", and the final word '"Downey' Thanks for checking. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 18:33, 11 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
: done by phone. --Pwendt<br />
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:: Further discussion [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Pwendt#A_Sensational_Trance_-_round_2 below]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:11, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Miss Pickerell and the Weather Satellite'' ==<br />
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I have approved the addition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?678124 this record] and edited the notes data for readability. Hopefully nothing got lost in the process :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:53, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks for your attention. For all three mid-Saturday submissions with that Note to Moderator, "continue on return to library, look for another image", I anticipated that the incomplete submissions would be approved sometime Sunday at latest; I would check against the books, augment or correct as necessary, and format in my usual style, as for the one (of four Miss Pickerell in the Ace series) that is from secondary sources only [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3929957].<br />
: The latter is the only one of all Miss Pickerell in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?80 Archway / Pocket Books] edition (#1 to #12? or more?) for which Amazon US --on that product page defined by ISBN -- provides a cover image of the US issue, apparently 1st printing.<br />
: Now I won't be able to get back to the library copy this fortnight (August vacation looms). I haven't adjusted to the long submission queue, and perhaps I won't need to adjust, if it turns out that other people's August vacation is the primary cause. (In the long shadow of the queue, however, I spent my Sunday time reading wiki pages rather than working here. I was dismayed to learn that Hauck has departed, where I had supposed my own "graduation" to less meticulous or less experienced moderators--supposed that he was continuing to mentor the sophomore class, if you know what I mean.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:29, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: The vacation season is likely one part of the problem since a number of our moderators have been on vacation over the last few weeks. Another part -- and I can only speak for myself here -- is that I find your submissions time-consuming to process, so they tend to stay in the queue longer than other submissions. Your notes are usually well-researched and informative, but they can be hard to parse. Much of the time I am not even sure what they are supposed to mean, so I can't edit them for readability. I realize that you are doing your best and I greatly appreciate the work that you do. Unfortunately, I don't really know how we could improve the process :-( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:49, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''A Sensational Trance'' - round 2 ==<br />
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I have approved your changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558644 this publication] and edited notes for clarity and readability. Could you please clarify "(That is, Crown octavo.)"? Does it mean that "crown 8vo." stands for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavo the Crown octavo book size], i.e. 7½" by 5" (190 mm x 126 mm)? If so, we will want to spell it out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:08, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Little Green Man ==<br />
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Thanks for finding the problem with the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1328301 ''The Little Green Man'']! I am not sure how we ended up with "M'''e'''n" instead of "M'''a'''n", but it was definitely an error. I have checked my copy of Reginald3 and he also says "Man". I have removed all references to the "Men" version.<br />
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I have approved and reorganized your notes for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362069 first edition]. I have a few questions:<br />
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* What does "intended" mean in this context?<br />
* When you write that "The listings in ''Manchester Guardian'' and ''The Academy'' note "[This day.", what exactly does it refer to? Is it the name of the section where the listings appeared?<br />
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Also, I have created a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?678185 new publication record] for the cheaper (3/6) edition and moved the second half of the Notes field there. Hopefully everything looks OK. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:52, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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: It isn't all OK but I don't now have time for any tweaks to the database, nor for whatever reply is appropriate here. It will wait. Thanks for your efforts. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:52, 15 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Tales from Eternity'' publisher ==<br />
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FYI, I found [https://books.google.com/books?id=bJTfAAAAMAAJ&q=tales+from+eternity+allen+unwin&dq=tales+from+eternity+allen+unwin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSqf7etKDeAhVhRN8KHeLfCOEQ6AEITDAF Google Books] shows a snippet with the copyright confirming "George Allen & Unwin Ltd." --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 21:15, 24 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Time Garden ==<br />
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Hello, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394924 this one] is both PV verified and OCLC verified by an active editor(Chavey). Can you drop them a note about the changes you are making (I approved them as they are obvious but as it is a verified book, let's make sure we are not missing something? The old OCLC record was 35301743 (in case we need to restore it). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:22, 16 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Merging Interviews ==<br />
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As long as the names match, the duplicate finder does find them (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_title_dups.cgi?1506768 this]. Are these two the same? If there are more of these, you can use Advanced Search to get them into a mergeable position (or just list them here and I will merge). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:45, 7 December 2018 (EST)<br />
: No others. In effect I merged the other "Go Fish" titles manually, import and remove, which was booked once as ESSAY and once as INTERVIEW. I had expected Aggressive mode to identify the ESSAY and INTERVIEW as author [Natalie Babbitt] duplicates, with identical title and author = interviewee, but it didn't.<br />
: Evidently I have not noticed that Advanced Search enables selection by checkbox. That will be useful sometimes. Thanks.<br />
: (I avoid using the uncredited Author page, and some undated and unknown searches.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:39, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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: Oh, I recall too expecting that last the two listings at {{a|Alexander Gordon Smith}} would be picked up as author duplicates in Aggressive mode. I quote them, just in case someone else completes the merge:<br />
: Interviews with This Author<br />
:* Go Fish: Questions for the Author: Alexander Gordon Smith (unknown) by uncredited<br />
:* Go Fish: Questions for the Author: Alexander Gordon Smith (2012) by uncredited <br />
: Now I suppose that that fails because he is not the "Author" of the interviews, although they are cleverly appended to his "Author" summary bibliography. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:57, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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:: Interviews are special - they have two authors connected to them. This is why they are not that easily mergeable with other types - so they are treated differently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:21, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Jules Verne ==<br />
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Based on your user page, we may have some overlap in our research. You seem to be focused on the Earth to the Moon volumes (currently) in much detail. My initial goal was simply wanting to enter some Jules Verne books I had. I realized the existing entries did not generally differentiate the translations, so I set out to put the first publication of each in, so mine could be in the right place. Then I realized that most of the French versions weren't there and the English would be the first of any publication. So I dug out the first French publications and realized I couldn't enter them, they were in serial form. So that went in the notes and I found the earliest French editions. That's all done so now I'm going through the titles putting in the first publication of each English translation. Then I'll be able to put my verifiable copies in. <br />
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I've run across a few resources that might be of interest. For example [http://www.julesverne.ca/jvbookSampsonLow.html this] history of the Sampson Low publishers. If you think it's worth comparing notes, it might be easier if you email me directly. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:59, 23 February 2019 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. That info is similar to that Library of Congress provides, citing "Brown, P.A.H. London publishers and printers, c. 1800-1870, c1982", which link[https://lccn.loc.gov/no2008108391] is part of my last hour [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4203099 submission 4203099]. I must be the author of most publisher pages that look like that one, with heavy use of blank lines to format and template {publisher} to link predecessor and successor publishers.<br />
: I am 15 minutes past closing time so let me tonight postpone all matters of ISFDB substance.<br />
: 1. Do I know where to email you? Are you the maintainer of julesverne.ca, compiled from what you have "run across", or is that one of the resources you have "run across"?<br />
: 2. I see that you use U Winnipeg and U Manitoba. Perhaps you have access to ProQuest Historical Newspapers there? That is what I use to search newspapers and magazines, largely from 100+ years ago so that the books are likely to be available at HathiTrust or elsewhere online. <br />
: Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:22, 23 February 2019 (EST)<br />
::Use the "E-mail this user" link in the toolbox on the left from my user page. Include an email address I can reply to, as I'm not sure ISFDB provides one. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:37, 23 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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An interesting source of information based on series publishers available at: [https://seriesofseries.owu.edu/ Ohio Wesleyan University]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:05, 4 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks, Doug. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:46, 4 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of the Supernatural: Six Romantic Stories ==<br />
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Hi, You [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4302413 change the book author] to James Platt, Junior, but leave all stories in the book a by James Platt? Father and son?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:17, 10 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Dirk, There is only one 19th century James Platt likely to be in our database, as far as I know (sometimes credited/named/reported as Junior, Jun., Jr., or the Younger). Yesterday I revised one title to create James Platt (I) {{a|294141}} because I suppose that Letter is contemporary to its 1982 publication. <br />
: As I depart today:<br />
: {{a|James Platt}} (undifferentiated) remains --to be credited as "James Platt, Junior" for the 1894 edition. Because we have latterday publications of the 1894 stories (and one or two for the entire collection) as by James Platt, and more must be expected, that name should be canonical, I understand. <br />
: Today I decided there is no good way to revise the 1894 publication record, so I created [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4302846 Pending New Publication Submission 4302846], which generates new COLLECTION titles and 6 new SHORTFICTION titles. And I prepared to make 6 variants by specifying the matching short story length.<br />
: '''The submission that you have on hold''' may be canceled. I suppose it should be retained for your reference, so I do not try "Cancel submission" --which may or may not be technically permitted during "Hold", as far as I know. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:53, 11 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Old-Fashioned Fairy Tales ==<br />
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Project Gutenberg works (like any other work) should be credited per their title page, not by how Project Gutenberg indexes the author. I have approved the entry of {{P|721813|Old-Fashioned Fairy Tales}}, but changed the author credit to Juliana Horatia Ewing. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:47, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: Project Gutenberg does index this author as JHGE [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/1803] [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/15592]. I don't rely on the index here (nor elsewhere), however, but on the header in which PG reports <br />
Title: Old-Fashioned Fairy Tales<br />
Author: Juliana Horatia Gatty Ewing<br />
Release Date: April 9, 2005 [eBook #15592]<br />
: Before going further here, do you mean to rely on PG representation of the title page of its source text? Is that interpretation somewhere stated at ISFDB.org? It implies that publisher, publication date, and catalog ID are unstated in all PG ebooks, afaik. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:35, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::We credit '''authors''' per the title page. We don't credit per a header, copyright page, or other front material. We credit per the title page. That applies for all publications. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:01, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks but no thanks. The question is whether we have some consensus to consider Gutenberg representation of the original title page as title page of the ebook. It seems akin to the facsimile of original publisher's title page that many reissues contain.<br />
::: We have many publication records that take Author, Title, Date, and publisher all from the top lines of the Project Gutenberg publication. So I am asking whether we have a consensus. (I know of course that both interpretations are commonly followed.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:23, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::ISFDB standards are straight forward. We credit per the title page. Whether the title page is a facsimile or a transcription is irrelevant. Ebooks (including Project Gutenberg's) have a clear title page and that is what is used. The top lines of the file are clearly not a title page. Some Project Gutenberg publications (typically older ones, but can also happen with newer ones) do not have a title page in which case the header is all we can go by. But when there is a title page, it is to be used. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:04, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hill-Man and the Housewife / The Hill-man and the House-wife / The Hillman and the Housewife ==<br />
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Hi, I need a lot of more reasons to unvariant these titles as that you are presently giving -none.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:08, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
: As I said, our "one hyphen" canonical title happens to appear in one 2018 publication. The title with no hyphens appears in the undated first collection (1882) and in the collection as first half of undated Works (US), Vol III; [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uc2.ark:/13960/t6j09x02z?urlappend=%3Bseq=22 page 8, 1st series].<br />
: The "one hyphen" 2018 title cannot be relegated to variant in one operation, iiuc; all of its own variants must be undone first. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:35, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Dirk, Maybe you can simply do this essentially "at once". There three edits needed to change the canonical title from one-hyphen to no-hyphen, iiuc.<br />
::* undo no-hyphen as variant of one-hyphen "The Hill-Man and the Housewife"<br />
::* make two-hyphen a variant of no-hyphen, rather than a variant of one-hyphen<br />
::* make one-hyphen a variant of no-hyphen<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:38, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: That rearrangement of canonical/variant relations is complete. The steps listed above make it an overnight (or two) process for me. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:52, 8 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== She and Allan ==<br />
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One of the OCLC numbers you are adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4386462 here] says 19 cm, the other one 22 cm. Which is a substantial difference (and usually indicates book club vs mass edition in some cases). Are you sure these are for the same book? If so, we need to note the difference... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:16, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: I don't yet know much --and nothing about what Library and Archives Canada as an online resource. Two McClelland & Stewart editions are not expected but, yes, let's hold this one. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:46, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: I do not know the publisher (much) but the big difference in size bothers me - it may be a typo from OCLC (a note will fix that) - but it also may be two editions for some reason (we've seen weirder). If you have time (and nothing better to do), maybe look through other books from the same publisher around that time and compare sizes and so on? I will keep it on hold - feel free to cancel it when/if you need to edit or ping me when you have more details. I will also see if I can dig something out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::: OK, I approved it for now (because the rest of the information was good) but pulled out OCLC 1032950781. Once we figure out that size difference, we can readd it (or not). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:18, 5 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Editing notes and so on ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4392442 this one]. The Tuck verifier is active. So instead of saying "Tuck probably reports", ask them about it so we can actually have the data properly noted. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:46, 8 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: OK. There is no reason to note such variant reports, of secondary sources that are known to be unreliable, or to adopt other conventions reliably, so I will raise the general questions about Tuck; with some of the Macdonald Illustrated Edition for illustration. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:43, 8 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Cuckoo Clock and The Tapestry Room ==<br />
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You will need to redo [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4405200 the import] - it got damaged. I approved the merge of the imterior arts you submitted before that so I suspect that you were trying to import here that ID (and it went away). Sorry -- let me know if you need any assistance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:47, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}} --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:53, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Lagerlöf and others ==<br />
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Please don't forget that the DB started as an English only DB and then got the other languages almost grandfathered (the ones that do not use standard Latin-1 kicking and screaming) :) This is why we miss a lot of non-English books - including the omnibus of Selma Lagerlöf that you mentioned. And while in some languages we have editors that had made a lot of progress in adding books, Swedish is not one of them. If you can find that original publication somewhere, it will be good to have :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:25, 18 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Famous Stories Every Child Should Know ==<br />
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I put your submission for the INTERIORART in this pub on hold. When you refer to an on-line source like you do here, you should make that source reachable from the note by using the following: <a href="here you put the URL for the reference">here you put the name of the source</a>. The result will be a blue copy of the name of the source; when a user clicks on it, he will jump to the reference. You can use this method for items in the ISFDB or outside it. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:55, 1 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: OK. Now I import of that INTERIORART to our record of the 1907 1st ed., which provides a reference for the Note closing, "See that publication record." I expect to rewrite the Note entirely based on a thorough check of library records for early editions. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:15, 2 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::O.K., approved. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:15, 2 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== More Fairy Stories Every Child Should Know ==<br />
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We ended up with two of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_pub_dups.cgi?740648 these]. Are you changing something in of them or do I need to delete one of them? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:53, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: We need to delete one. I repaired HTML and rearranged after viewing the submission. Now I submit DeletePub for the earlier publication. Then its ANTHOLOGY Title may be deleted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:10, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: I was sure I saw something different but then looked again and decided to come ask :) Deleted and the old title was also taken care of. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:20, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Omnibus of only stories ==<br />
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Technically, unless you want to import the Collection titles as well, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?565494 this] should be a collection even if its content was published in a few collections before. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:07, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Probably I will use the short titles of the two collections (only one of which happens to be our canonical title now), where online view of the interior is lacking (maybe not to be determined today). It's a slow process to change Type, with submissions not accepted until others are approved, beyond the usual lags. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:25, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: If you see a moderator around, you can always just explain to them what you are trying to do and they can do the change for you much quicker. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:44, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== A trilogy in five parts ==<br />
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Or in your case "a pentalogy in 6", right? :) Made me smile (in case you do not recognize the reference in the title here, let me know).:) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:08, 30 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Dashes, hyphens and the like ==<br />
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— and - are treated differently in the DB so [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4456641 these] will be variants. Unless you can confirm that they use the first in both place. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:54, 2 November 2019 (EDT)<br />
: I submitted MakeVariant in place of TitleMerge and a simple note our source for the spaced hyphen. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:11, 2 November 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Second Bedside Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Did you mean to add all of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296104 this] in the notes or was part of it for the moderator note? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:14, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: "all of this"<br />
: I am able to add the LC record, evidently the source for the one linked at WorldCat, and improve the wording and format. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:32, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Sorry - I meant some of the wording in the note. The revised version reads a lot more like a permanent note so thanks for fixing it :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:56, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Tales of Laughter: A Third Fairy Book ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you confirm that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2638560 Wee Robin's Yule-Song] is indeed in Scots and not in English? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:23, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, Annie<br />
: I cannot. For the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?56191 Library of Fairy Literature], I added or completed most of the publications (early eds. and Gutenberg certainly), and associated author/illustrator, publisher, series Notes. No Contents at all. Only the headers of the COLLECTION notes, which I hope(d) to layout with a break as for volume 1 The Fairy Ring T{{t|2628264}}.<br />
: The work on Contents (as some other fairy/folk tale anth/collections) is by Loviatar with coaching by Dirk J Broer (and slightly me) [[User talk:Loviatar#The Fairy Ring]] (now two sections).<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:47, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: So why is it set to Scots? Any idea? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:02, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: None. No advice except check COLLECTION Titles as well as fiction/poem/essay Titles for anything Loviatar may have noted. Nor do I know how far the "Work in progress" has progressed toward "done". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:13, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: P.S. My understanding is that L hopes to confirm or correct the Publisher Notes that are linked in the second bullet point of each COLLECTION Note, as for Tales of Laughter [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t8v980z3w&view=2up&seq=8 Publisher Note 3]; and to identify "all" not so noted by the publishers. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:19, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Dead Love ==<br />
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When you are merging to eliminate the name as in this case, make sure you select an empty parent at the bottom - otherwise you leave a variant pointing to itself and a second edit is needed to remove the loop. :) I did that for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1102665 this one]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:53, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Same for the other 2 :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:54, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: OK. I'll try to remember that. Somehow we broke the variant relation for the one story with a second pseudonym in the database, title T{{t|2498523}} (restoration submitted). Perhaps that merge preserved the low-number ID. I don't recall any warning that the ID potentially to be vacated is in use elsewhere. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:03, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: Oops. Missed that somehow - it was a circle when I broke it (I think). There is no warning because the system assumes you know what you are doing. Maybe we need one for the case where a merge will result in the ID remaining a variant of itself but just in the meantime, just keep an eye for that. If the parent remains one of the two IDs in the merge, it is the wrong ID and needs cleaning; if it is an independent one, you can leave it in place. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:53, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Dream Weavers: Short Stories by the Nineteenth-Century Pre-Raphaelite Poet-Painters ==<br />
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Changed the link and the text [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1306291 here] - pointing to the painting makes more sense than pointing to the page of the myth ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:17, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. I was redirected from "Hylas and the Nymphs" to "Hylas", and didn't notice the bluelink painting title. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:37, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Second set of eyes and all that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:55, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: (edit conflict!) ''Dream Weavers'' stories generally have adequate title notes. I may be done with that anthology, and back to ''Eerie Book'' stories, almost all identified. But done for today as it's Friday and my newspapers subscription shuts its doors. Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:57, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Popular Romances of the West of England ==<br />
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This is a scan of the [https://archive.org/details/popularromanceso00huntuoft 1908] edition of this work, a newer one than [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281664 the 1865 first edition]. Here's a scan of [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32435023303233&view=1up&seq=9 volume 1 (first edition)] and [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044018072785&view=1up&seq=11 volume 2 (first edition)]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:31, 27 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: HI. I have notes on the source anthologies/collections for the 1898 ''Eerie Book'' anthology stories, and I plan to improve some of our Title and Publication records for those sources next week (as well as maybe "adjust" the story title records). Until then I don't have the screen size to look at online digital copies efficiently--and I don't have any historical newspapers subscription at all. <br />
: (on vacation for the US Thanksgiving holiday) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:29, 27 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Ferdinando Eboli ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to "Ferdinando Eboli". That story appears in a verified pub. As such, please coordinate with the approver (Rtrace). I would note that,, by ISFDB standards, ": A Novel" is not included on pub titles when given in the pub. ": A Tale" could be considered similarly, but I'll leave that up to the verifier. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:56, 16 December 2019 (EST)<br />
: That's OK. I did notify Rtrace, as "(pending approval)", and he may take approval for granted in this case. Evidently he is the editor responsible for adding variant story title "Ferdinando Eboli: A Tale" to the database for this work: {{t|98521}}, in its unique publication 1976 under the author's canonical name. I expect he will agree if/when I return to the point, which I postpone. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:14, 17 December 2019 (EST)<br />
: (growing list) Matters to re/raise with Rtrace concerning ''The Keepsake'' vols PV by reference to Google Books.<br />
: [1] publication date; [2] formats, prices; [3] Ferdinando Eboli subtitle p195; [4] Waverly => Waverley thruout; [5] Laird's Jock in the database, shd it be listed here? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:30, 17 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:58, 19 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Eerie Book ==<br />
: ''concerning 1898 anthology The Eerie Book, T{{t|1337014}}; [[User talk:Anniemod#The Eerie Book]] (2019-11)''<br />
Hello, <br />
<br />
I just updated the Eerie Book reprint. There was only 1 correction: "The Mysterious Horseman (excerpt)" is on page 127 and not 131 as TSI apparently reports. That also accounts for the 1 page story that seemed longer here. All stories notes updated as well so we are all good. And based on that, it does seem like a fascimile quite honestly - all the notes for the old edition apply to the new one... Happy New Year! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:05, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
: Happy New Year. It's no facsimile as the page numbers differ. <br />
: All things considered I infer that the entire book has been re-set to accommodate the title leaf as pp. 1/2 and Contents/Acknowledgments leaf as pp. 3/4. Right? <br />
: And you have reported the page numbers listed in the Contents, which are those of the half-title pages (unnumbered, one-side leaves included in the pagination) usually two leaves before the beginnings of the stories. You have three stories not preceded by illustrations (pp. 125, 129, 137, 155) and two illustrations (probably unnumbered one-side leaves) that face story text (pp. 131, 149). Is that right? <br />
: "Each story starts with a title page (with a short title), most stories then have a picture page (with <s>2 empty pages</s> [must be one empty page -Pwendt 0104; ok -0105] between the title page and the image and then the image and the actual title) and then a title on top of each of the stories."<br />
: If I understand correctly, you have "The Masque" beginning on numbered page 173, and it faces the "actual title" printed on the back of the illustration leaf (unnumbered page 172) facing the beginning of the story text. Contrast [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uc2.ark:/13960/t23b5ww3g?urlappend=%3Bseq=176 1898, pp. 170-71 (view at HathiTrust)]. Is your page 173 identical to 1898 page 171 except for the page number? Is the opposite page another story-title page? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:56, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:: All stories start on odd pages, Title pages and images are also always on odd pages. It is academic at this point if it is a facsimile or not. And the note is correct - there are two empty pages between the original title page of the story and the story itself except in the cases where there are no illustrations - the back of the title page and the back of the illustration page are always empty. Anyway - was just letting you know that the notes are now updated on all stories. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:03, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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:: PS: and yes, The text of The Masque starts on page 173 after having an illustration on page 171 and a title page on 169. Pages 170 and 172 are empty - thus the note for 2 empty pages when there is an illustration. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
::: OK, I understand now what you mean by "actual title"; that's the heading at the top of the page where the story begins. And 2 empty pages: one between the title page and the image and one between the image and the actual title.<br />
::: Does the book anywhere note 15 full-page illustrations (as the J. Shiells 1898 title page credits to WBM)?<br />
::: P.S. There are only 14 in the books, with a unique 15th b/w illustration on front cover(1898) or jacket(1981). I had supposed the U California print copy for 1898 images at HathiTrust to have been vandalized, but I now suppose not, and I plan later to complete the 1898 record incorporating that supposition. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:00, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: I've listed the 14 pages where the internal illustrations are and none of them matches the one on the cover. I looked for a 15th based on the old page but seems like it is indeed the cover. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:06, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Night Side of Nature; or, Ghosts and Ghost Seers ==<br />
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Hi, as we have variants of this title, we have just as many variants of the introduction title and of the conclusion title as these should match the title of the publication in which they are printed. Please do not try to simplify all to one title. And why did we have a canonical with date 1848, and was the 1848 edition left out of that?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:00, 16 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Concerning 5 MakeVariant for the work, which you aptly rejected, thanks for catching that. Probably I mixed up the two title ID numbers. It was my purpose to change every one FROM child of our probably spurious parent title TO child of our certainly correct 1st ed. title. I opened the 5 title records and went through the motions of copy-paste the correct title ID into every one; also the Note to Moderator into every one. But I messed up somewhere. <br />
: How can you ask me why we have a probably-spurious canonical title?<br />
: The actual 1848 edition was left out of that set of relationships because I submitted its removal this afternoon, and a few hours later [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4577097 moderator Biomassbob approved]. The Note to Moderator was clear enough. Except for special cases such as this one, however --last hour when (I suppose) you executed 5/6 of the fix as self-moderator-- its rare that any moderator will go further.<br />
: As a contributor I could not submit more than the single un-merge at once; not submit any new MakeVariant. No further until approval. And then at next stage I could submit only 5/6 of the new MakeVariant. (You rejected those 5 correctly, and executed 4 of them yourself (probably). I submitted the last one, this time correctly, moments ago.<br />
: Good night. I am 2 min overtime. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:03, 16 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: Everything should look alright now. I combined the two 1850 records (one the original, the other te Gutenberg facsimile) and added a link to the 1850 Redfield edition for that publication -not in the least to explain the hyphen that suddenly crept up in that publication -and which was long present in its facsimile. I also made both German introductions a variant of the original English one, etc. Please have a look.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:55, 16 February 2020 (EST)<br />
: I agree from memory: German Lang title records name translator so they are transl of Crowe essays presumably .not new essays for German Lang eds.<br />
: today Monday is USA national holiday and I am here without reasonable screen or keyboard today. So my look may be tuesday. --(from phone without tilde)<br />
::: For the 1850 US ed. P{{p|745806}}, it appears that you corrected the user Chavey titles of COLLECTION and all three ESSAY by merger with the corresponding titles that I created for the Gutenberg edition. And in the publication title you inserted one hyphen. I will submit PubUpdate that aligns the publication and collection titles completely {hyphen semicolon comma hyphen} ''and'' adds a note item, This is the source edition for Project Gutenberg Ebook #[linked]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:55, 18 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Our record of the 1st US ed., PV Chavey, continued: Some merge or variant of 1850 shortfiction titles that originate with this record have been executed by other editors this week. Three remain and I now submit their merge with (or submergence to) the correct titles. (drafted 3 hrs ago but they remain in the queue)--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:37, 19 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== [[Jules Verne Translations]] - wiki ==<br />
:: Related links: [[Talk:Jules Verne Translations]] ; [[User:Holmesd]] <br />
I noticed you'd made some updates to the wiki page. I've put it out in public domain for just such updates and appreciate your contributions. Can I make a request though - please don't bury comments in the source unless they pertain to what a wiki editor would want to see while editing that section. If the comment is related to a title, put it in the TITLE record, if it is a notation of work to be done - put it in your work list. I should put something on the philosophy and mechanics in the Discussion page. I've a few odd problems to sort out (e.g. Michel Verne is author but Jules Verne is listed) then I plan to go back through all the entries in the wiki to see if they are still synched to the database and note who owns copies of editions under unspecified translations. <br />
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By the way, the Daniels edition is documented [http://www.julesverne.ca/vernebooks/Sets/jvset-VincentParke.html here] and I hope to get all the Vincent editions done at some point. Having one as a model was as much as that tangent allowed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:24, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: It's good to see Edition d'Amiens documented with images. One of them is adequate to identify many of the books for which HathiTrust provodes interior views. <br />
:: Feel free to remove any hidden comments from that wiki code. I know how to relocate them in the page history if that is useful. <br />
:: I did have in mind that you would see any comments I would leave, as I hurried against deadline at my primary location Wed night, prior to five nights away. I will not contribute much before next Wed, only tidbits that are reasonably efficient without adequate screen display. [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:20, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
: By the way, Gutenberg may be a publisher, but their text should be sourced from an actual prior publication. As such, I would not expect to see any reference to Gutenberg in the wiki page, just as I would not expect to see a TITLE entry in ISFDB with only a Gutenberg entry or one as the earliest entry. Although I should probably use the word 'hope' rather than 'expect'. I'll probably end up making a list for Jules Verne and going back to expand these cases. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:24, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: In the next few days I will do the Gutenberg editions (6) of Baltimore Gun Club stories (3) in the sense of your optimistic hope. That is, complete Gutenberg ebook publication records and undertake parallel coverage of print editions, with ancillary updates.<br />
:: Maybe also Gutenberg editions of Captain Hatteras (3), and the Daniels ''Works of Jules Verne 3'' (contains Hatteras II and the two Moon stories, but does not appear to be a Gutenberg source edition). --21:55, 4 March 2020 (EST)<br />
::: You should probably check out [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Project_Gutenberg_titles_and_dates this] request on the Help forum before going too far with this. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:10, 4 March 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: Thanks. I'm broadly aware of the issues. Did read your yesterday update of publisher Project Gutenberg and considered here addressing the issue of your what you expect .ahem .and hope .optimistic .above.<br />
:::: I'm in USA EST so this is late for me. (no tilde here) --Pwendt 00:10 EST<br />
:::: PS I suspect that Gutenberg use of multiple source editions is not common .often .nowadays. --pwendt 00.19 EST<br />
::::: Sounds like a plan. I'll be verifying/fixing the wiki page vs. the actual titles (testing links, adding notes on number of 'parts', original sub-titles, verifying earliest pub dates). Looks like my biggest problem is all the Fiztroy editions I added. Once that's done (days to weeks) I'll make a list of verified pubs in 'unspecified' translations and get in touch with primary verifiers to see if they can/will update the translator / translation. Maybe then I'll try fixing the "Voyages extraordinaires" series. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:09, 5 March 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::: So you hope for every publication record to contain a statement that identifies the translator (including Unknown translator --and Unknown translation text, altho not for Gutenberg eds.)? ISFDB may be close to a consensus for that. I would support it, meaning that such statements will not be at the option of Primary Verifiers.<br />
:::::: Where the translator is not credited, I would support that any statement such as this, which identifies the grounds, must be accepted. "This is the translation by Doe, credited in its 1874 first publication [link to {p|}], relying on comparison of the first two paragraphs."<br />
:::::: Where Gutenberg does not contain a title page transcript, I have occasionally stated grounds for identifying a source edition, and I'll try to be more than occasional going forward. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:27, 5 March 2020 (EST)<br />
::::::: Ideally, for any PUB record for a translation, it should identify the translator (either because it's stated or by some other means). The associated TITLE record should repeat the information, and explain how to tell in the absence of a direct statement. Editors may feel that putting the PUB under the correct TITLE is sufficient but it does not allow someone to determine if a PUB has been correctly or erroneously placed - which is where I/we find ourselves today. There will always be a potential need for a 'bit-bucket' TITLE, for people entering PUBs without access to the necessary pages or information. Gutenberg PUBs should follow the same rule. My expectation for Gutenberg's never being the <u>oldest</u> PUB is simply because the older edition which it is based on should also be in the database. I have been cleaning up the Jules Verne as best I can, digging out first editions of known translations, standardizing the text in the TITLE entries, chasing down anomalies and creating a single huge cross-reference (wiki). To whatever extent you're willing to help sort this out, I thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:41, 5 March 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Deletion of container titles ==<br />
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Hi, better unmerge a title from a cannonical, than deleting a container title. If you change the publiction title and unmerge afterwards you have created the new title record with the new name automatically.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:44, 18 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
: So you suggest • PubUpdate that includes change of the title field, and let the Container title alone for now (Note to Moderator such as "later handle Title record"). • After the Pubdate is approved, Unmerge. • After the Unmerge is approved (which creates a Title record named for the unmerged Publication), MakeVariant.<br />
: Right?<br />
: And the Container may be a NOVEL such as ''The Paradise of the North'' (with subtitle sometimes).<br />
: For a CHAPBOOK (routinely, whose title should match the contained SHORTFICTION title), the second and third steps would be Unmerge (2) and MakeVariant (2), one each for the CHAPBOOK and SHORTFICTION. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:10, 18 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wonderful History of Peter Schlemihl ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?767507 This] does not look long enough to be a novel and we have quite a lot of editions of it as a short fiction: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1566992 here]. Which will make this whole book a collection (more than one story so cannot be a chapbook). Let me know if you want me to fix it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:46, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't recall whether a re-class from NOVEL has been executed in the database recently, as I have largely missed much of the last week as a contributor. I added several publs this season. I do call it a novella in all notes, most of which are now offline.<br />
: Please accept all submissions as CHAPBOOK --no COLLECTION nor ANTHOLOGY-- despite that most publs include some "short story" contents by the primary author and others --fictitious essays, etc, by the author and one or more editors. That is, same as dozens of editions currently indb.<br />
: I'm not sure what you can do about correction of a submitted NOVEL (and now another one) as CHAPBOOK containing novella. One priority for me is to lose little or no source code, as some is composed with pains online. <br />
: Another New Novel submission based on the same work is in the queue. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:11, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I fixed this one to a chapbook (for now... if the other poems/stories are technically inside, it is fine as a chapbook) :) I also approved and fixed the other one as well. See if anything else needs fixing. It may be a good idea to check the type when you are returning to a project :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:41, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks for the fix. Yes, it's best to check type when returning to a work, and also when adding a new work :--)<br />
::: What do you mean, "other poems/stories are technically inside"?<br />
::: (Truncate and re-try hours later.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:36, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Argh. I was thinking of another chapbook earlier that had poems inside of the main novella but listed on their own for indexing. Ignore that part. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:42, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wreck of the Titan ==<br />
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Please remember that we credit based on the title page and not based on the cover. Neither edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2713213 here] (the 2020 reprints) have the subtitle on their title page (Look inside is pretty helpful on that). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:22, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
: They do display the subtitle on the title page, as well as the front cover. The interior title page (sometimes called half-title, but it follows the title page and other front material). What you have in mind is that as a single-story collection, rather than a novel, we may (and frequently do) create CHAPBOOK and novella SHORTFICTION records with different titles.<br />
: While that is permitted, it's something that some moderators do not approve. Shall I resubmit PubUpdates with subtitle added to the publication and CHAPBOOK alone, and leave the novella without the subtitle? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:32, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: No, I am not. Please show me where do you see the subtitle on a title page - because ANY internal page I see misses it - particularly obvious on the kindle book. We go by title page, not by cover. This subtitle is not printed anywhere inside of the book - so it does not make it on our title. If you disagree, feel free to open a discussion on R&S. Please do not resubmit incorrect corrections. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:44, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Never mind - apparently I need coffee or a better mouse. I will fix them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:46, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A Story of the Stone Age ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4627292 this one] - is that story a novella or a novelette? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:16, 21 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Novella, as Project Gutenberg text of 22730 words inclg headings. ([http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27365/27365-h/27365-h.htm#Page_59 Ebook #27365], Tales of Space and Time, by Herbert George Wells) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:11, 21 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! I fixed the 2 novelettes and approved the variant and added an approximate length note :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:19, 21 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) After [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4627020 this edit], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57475 A Story of the Stone Age] now shows up on the cleanup report 'Title Dates after Publication Dates'. The note says it was first published under this title November 1927, but the first 6 publications (3x Tales of Space and Time and 3x The Short Stories of H. G. Wells) have publication dates before this date. Which is true? Thanks for checking. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 09:15, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks. Singular title "A Story", revised from "Stories", appears in the 1899-dated Doubleday & McClure collection ([https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015030719671?urlappend=%3Bseq=11 Contents list] viewed at HathiTrust). The Harper collection is 1900-dated.<br />
: (I haven't read the novella, or 5 stories, and don't know whether it/they should be considered a novella here, rather than a subcollection of 5 stories. Wells calls "A Story" and "A Story" (see Contents list), "two series of linked incidents" in Introduction to a 1911 collection.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:45, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::That means I can change the date to 1899-00-00 and add a note about first publication in the Doubleday & McClure collection? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:13, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Hi, Willem. I have submitted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4628649 TitleUpdate] as I would do it, with note "(best hold for Willem H.)" I am working on the collection, publications 1899/1900 and Project Gutenberg; my TitleUpdate notes, in advance, "Concerning the stated and actual publication dates, see the collection record." <br />
::: Let me tell you what I know. You tell me, or show me, how you would revise the variant-story-Title record on these points.<br />
::: From newspaper/magazine sources November/December 1899: Certainly the UK edition (Harper & Brothers, 1900-dated) was published before the US (Doubleday & McClure, 1899-dated). Early November. I plan to expand the two publication records as 1900 (Harper, with note of its November 1899 publication) and 1899-11 (D & McC, with note that the source for November is only a listing as received by 1899-11-30). <br />
::: There are multiple UK reviews in Saturday weeklies -11-11 and numerous reviews -11-11 to -12-02. (Known US reviews in daily newspapers -12-03 and -12-16.) Harper/UK advertisements of new/forthcoming books during October note this one "In the Press". 1899-11-04 advertisement notes "Ready This Week". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:05, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Almost exactly as I would have done it. Thanks! and approved. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:15, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Time Machine: An Invention: Authoritative Text, Backgrounds and Contexts, Criticism ==<br />
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Are you sure that the title page of the NOVEL (not the full book) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327847 here] is really " The Time Machine: An Invention: Authoritative Text, Backgrounds and Contexts, Criticism" and not "The Time Machine: An Invention: Authoritative Text" or "The Time Machine: An Invention" or "The Time Machine"? I have no trouble with the book title but in none of the Nortons I have, the text of the novel itself has the complete title of the book on its first/title page. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
: (I'm not sure what I submitted. I don't recall that I did change the title of the novel Title; I may have done so because I understand that our rules require it, so long as we book The Time Machine as a novel --and the publication as a novel, because it contains no other novel.)<br />
: On the contrary, I doubt that the work appears with the long title inside the book. However, for publications that we classify as novels, we require a match of publication title and work title. So a book like Annotated Wizard of Oz, Definitive Frankenstein, and so on --supposing we book the main work as a novel-- requires a new and matching NOVEL title record. We always ignore the interior title page, or heading, of the one work in the novel publication that we classify as a novel. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:35, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Not if the title page does not carry the matching title - and especially in cases with subtitles. We see that a lot more with NON-FICTION where US and UK tend to use different subtitles - so we have two ways to handle - subtitle-less title with pub titles having their subtitles or variants (I vastly prefer the first approach...). In this case, the "we record as on the title page" comes into play -- and because it will differ only by subtitle, it is not even a weird case. Annotated and Definitive are different because the title is not changed with a subtitle. Differences because of subtitles does not even register for the "different pub and title" report exactly for that reason. My gut feeling here is that we can drop the subtitle on the novel to match what is on the title page and we are good to go but let me think a bit more on that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:56, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Considering the reported Contents titles and the publisher description at Amazon, the novel should be presented in the book as "The Text of <i>The Time Machine</i>". More completely, pp ix-x should be in the arabic numbered pagespan (pages -1 and 0) with the preceding leaf a title page for the first main section of the book as "Authoritative Text". That is, in the format of our publication record (from the previous contributor, perhaps Fixer's assistant, modified by me):<br />
:: -3 — Authoritative Text [title page, first main section]<br />
:: -1 - A Note on the Text [essay by Arata under this heading]<br />
:: 1 - The Text of The Time Machine [novel by Wells begins under this heading, or following this interior title page for the novel]<br />
::: The cited WorldCat record [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/181139351 OCLC: 181139351] provides an ample Contents list, perhaps from the book rather than pre-publication. While the actual pagination shows that "A Note on the Text" and "The Text of ''The Time Machine''" are not clearly presented as the two sections in the first major section Authoritative Text, nevertheless "The Text of ''The Time Machine''" is my best guess for the interior name of the text of the novel. (Certainly I expected that any heading for the novel would include "An Invention", but I now guess that it doesn't.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:58, 30 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: I would just make it "The Time Machine" quite honestly. We skip things like "A Novel" and so on. "The Text of" goes into the same category for me. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:44, 1 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Stolen Bacillus and Other Incidents ==<br />
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Hello. Just checking that you presume March 1896, instead of the 1986 currently in the notes of your submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4636649 here]? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:40, 4 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Good catch. I will restrain the urge to say a lot and say only a little. That is one of the User:Bluesman notes. I skimmed but didn't read.<br />
: Maybe more than a little. The cited WorldCat record notes "... at end dated March 1896." I would have supposed that at least so much would have beeen transferred to ISFDB by copy-paste, but I would have supposed wrong. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:44, 4 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for confirming :) I've accepted, and leave it to you to update the notes as you see fit ! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:19, 4 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Picture of Dorian Gray - Gold Mark symbol? ==<br />
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Hello. I've put your submission on hold for a moment, as I've posted a question over at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#German_Gold_Mark_standard_symbol.3F Rules and Standards Discussion] on which symbol to use for the Gold Mark. Thanks for your patience, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:29, 5 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: OK. I will refrain from more such. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:03, 5 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. I'll proceed with ℳ1.60 and ℳ3.20; also replace M with ℳ where I see it in use for pre-war Tauchnitz Editions. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:04, 8 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== LCCN formats ==<br />
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Both the long (07004758) and the short (07-4758) formats lead to the same place on LCCN so we do not enforce the usage of one over the other. Swapping for the one you prefer (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?569774 here] may lead to someone swapping in the other direction -- so careful with that. I approved it because of all the other changes but heads up - especially in books with verifiers (as this one had none, I just approved it) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:06, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Ok. I know from Rtrace that he entered leading zeroes in field External IDs by mistake for a while, before learning that that field handles the hyphen just as manual hyperlinks do. But I don't know that of anyone else. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:17, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Red Room and Other Stories ==<br />
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I removed all without page numbers from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359854 here] as per your note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4659809 here] - it would have caused quite a lot of alerts in the cleanup reports if I had left it this way. While this worked, in case you need 22 items, adding that many and then cleaning may not be the best way to do things - importing only the correct essays and stories would have made more sense - and would have been less likely to have been forgotten downstream. I think it is all cleaned up now but take another look again anyway. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:27, 24 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Excerpts naming ==<br />
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I approved your rename of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?97318 this one] so I can catch the note (it was reject + edit or approve + edit so it did not matter). When the excerpt has its own name, we add the notes of what it is an excerpt of in the notes, not in the title. You can add them both in the title note and the publication note if you want to but the title of the record should be as close to "as is" as we can. We don't even add the word excerpt if the excerpt has its own name. Thanks![[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:17, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: "(excerpt)" alone should of course mean that the name is unchanged --although that sensible convention is commonly breached. The convention you note is either a new one or another that is commonly breached.<br />
: If I think clearly at this late hour, on the convention you describe all 447 titles that contain "(excerpt from" and all 18 that contain "(extract from" are violations. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:04, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: It is an old rule - how strict we enforce it is a different story... We generally do not add any embellishments/disambiguations to a title unless the title as printed is confusing or unclear - thus adding excerpt on the ones where the title match or adding the book name on Introductions and adding part x of y on serials. In the cases where the name is unique, we go by what the book says. <br />
:: Not necessarily for the 447+18 titles - if the title page of the story in the book has the words "excerpt of...", the record here will have it as well. A lot of books note this on the contents/title pages so chances are that a lot of these are actually in policy. But yes - some will be against the rules. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:29, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: If the story heading (or title page in some cases, Contents list in some cases) is "Magic Circle (excerpt)" or "Magic Mirror (abridged)" then our title should use capital E or A. <br />
:::: Technically - yes. But we have a lot of capitalization issues in the DB :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: You suggest to me another class of listings that is on my someday list (ask about this someday). Where a listing/heading is such as "''from'' Magic Circle" or "excerpt from ''Magic Circle''" or "Extract of 'Magic Circle'" --rather than appended parentheses-- do we now recommend "Magic Circle (excerpt)"? If so then story titles that begin with lowercase "from" are deprecated, to be replaced someday? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:14, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: If the book uses a specific name, we use that name. <br />
:::: The exact section from the help page relevant here is "If the excerpt has a different title that the work from which it is excerpted, use that title. Otherwise, use the title of the excerpted work, but add " (excerpt)" to the end; e.g. "A Feast for Crows (excerpt)".". So if the title in the book is "Extract of 'Magic Circle'", we use that. If the title in the book is 'Magic Circle', then we add (excerpt). Same rule as with Introductions - you add the book name only if the generic title is used. If the book has the title as "Introduction: Some Other Text", we keep the title as is. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: And yeah - technically a story name cannot start with a small letter... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Author language ==<br />
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When you find a pseudonym like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?312712 this one], it will be a good idea to also add the language to the pseudonym to match its parent. I did it here but thought I should mention it. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:33, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Yes you should. I wasn't aware that we complete any field but "Directory Entry". Was English entered by default as my default language? or the language of the work in which illustration as by Alvin-Correa was published? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:54, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep - if your default language is English and you save the page, English is assigned. In this case as you just did a pseudonym and never saved the page, it had no language - so I just added it. It was not wrongly set - it was just empty. A few years ago we went through figuring out the languages of every title in the DB -- we still have a lot of authors with no language - so I tend to try to set them when I land on one without. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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COVERART by this artist Henrique Alvim Corrêa {{a|205286}}:<br />
: For this artist we now have 8? COVERART --reporting use of 4? different 1906 interior illustrations on 21st century book covers-- now booked as variants of the original INTERIORART (multiple illustrations of 1906 French-language The War of the Worlds). If I recall correctly, that relation should be stated in COVERART notes, with one parent COVERART for each of the distinct original interior illustrations used on a cover, date of the earliest known use on a cover (regardless whether that earliest book is an edition of The War of the Worlds; one of the earliest uses is not).<br />
: If I understand correctly, it's necessary to break each of these variant relations as a first step (top half of "Make Variant Title"), only later as a second step (second Make Variant Title) create new parent COVERART as by Henrique Alvim Corrêa where appropriate. '''So I submit a batch of "break variant", as it were.'''<br />
: --probably done for the day, as it's late here and I need to eat. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:54, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I need to reread the first part of the question later because I am not sure I get it. Interiorart CAN be a parent if this is what was used first. <br />
:: However, you do not need to first break a variant when changing parents - the moment you submit a new makeVariant, it will replace the old value so you do not need to remove first. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Macmillan Company ==<br />
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Hello. I have some difficulty parsing your updated notes on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?27541 The Macmillan Company].<br />
*The notes now state, in part, ''June 1896 to mid-20th century''. This seems to contradict the note ''The Macmillan Company, ... now carried on by Macmillan & Co ... The Independent ... (1896-02-28)'' which to me means to say that The Macmillan Company as name ceased to exist in 1896, and thus, in fact, did '''not''' carry on till mid-20th century.<br />
: No, 'The MacMillan Company' is just now incorporated in New York. That report date is 1896-05-28 (in some New York publication 'The Independent', I am sure, not the famous newspaper 'The Independent'). I gloss over unknown daily details and suppose that The Macmillan Company, newly incorporated in New York probably sometime late May 1896, should be the publisher of record from June 1896.<br />
*The statement '' ...report macmillan and Co. for US editions published by the Macmillans to 1896.'' Does that mean to say that for US editions published by the Macmillans ''''after'''' 1896 have to be reported under Macmillan and Co.?<br />
Thanks for clarifying. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:53, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: No, it means through May 1896, glossing over the unknown daily details.<br />
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: I have considered a thorough re-write of publisher Notes for The Macmillan Company (US, from May/June 1896) and Macmillan and Co. (unitary to May/Jun 1896). The old notes by the one who shouts 'DO NOT MERGE' have become less relevant, and it may be possible to eliminate these two, for the two earlier of four Macmillan publisher names that have been used heavily. Your note makes me think the time to rewrite is now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:53, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I don't have much time Tuesdays. I expect I will submit no more, and maybe less, than continuation on the four works whose publication records you approved just before this publisher update. --<br />
::: Please do! You're much more knowledgeable than I in these things :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 00:58, 10 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: I will try improve the situation today; far short of completion, or what I had hoped in early June, because it's so complicated. Unfortunately there is no consistent practice such as: name New York first on the title page if the printer is in the United States.<br />
:::: As I also vowed to Rtrace, i need to get back to other incomplete work here, and withdraw from focus on century old Macmillan publications, after the Ides of June [today, if that's Greek to you]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:14, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of the Masque ==<br />
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In Your submitted collection [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?778464 here] there is a link "title page" that leads to nothing. Can You please make a correction? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 03:44, 14 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Submitted. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:50, 14 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: HI. I hope you, or we, are not generally using the new "Webpages" field to replace curated links in the Notes. Is this a one-time thing or a general effort? (I have also asked moderator Rtrace about this.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:35, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: It is still the same link though - it is not a generic link to the site. Or is your complaint that it is not embedded anymore? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:53, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: [1] It's a generic linkname "Webpages" and [1b] buried in the top part of the page (albeit blue ink helps). A meaningful linkname "Title page view" would be acceptable there, altho the note should then be revised, eg "title page" => "title page (above)"<br />
::: [2] It removes context --altho I don't know that would be done generally.<br />
::: (Commonly I do link the title page simply, as Zapp zapped here. Commonly the note is substantial, as title page: "Lawrence and Bullen". I don't know why I didn't say that here, as I was at work (not yet complete) unifying our use of publisher name "Lawrence & Bullen".) <br />
::: [0] It is a Permanent Link, a redirect to the babel address of the title page image. ISFDB should always use URL promoted as Permanent, eh? So we should always link hdl.handle.net rather than babel.hathitrust.org right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:12, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: '''P.S.''' Annie or Zapp. I submitted an update that restores and amplifies the Note; also does preserve the use of the Webpages field (with a Permanent Link as its URL value)--for those who may be harvesting or otherwise relying auto-maton-ically on its use. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:15, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: So we have a few different problems here:<br />
::::* The link was not just moved but replaced. That you will need to take up with Zapp - he is usually good at just moving links so not sure what happened here. Chances are that we have a Europe/US thing going on again and there was a problem with the other link from his side?<br />
::::* The notes left behind were not adjusted for the moved link -- that I am with you on -- if a link/ID is moved, the notes around it need to be adjusted so the flow and meaning of the notes is not lost. However - your notes, while very detailed, can be extremely hard to parse and understand sometimes (even when one is used to them) so chances are that people do not see some links as vital to the structure - especially when they were on their own on a line. Which may explain what happened here.<br />
:::: Part of why we have the webpages on publications now is to minimize the links (and heavy html) in notes and to make it easier for non-technical editors to edit - you may be comfortable with html but not everyone is. :) Some links will need to stay (because they illustrate a point and do not really work as a link for the whole publication) but a link to a version of the publication certainly belongs to the links (even if you point just to the title page, it is effectively a link to the complete text). <br />
:::: The Web Pages collect all kinds of links - the same way the ones on the author level does -- it can be full text reproductions, it can be sources which do not have external IDs, it can be the publisher page for the book, it can be anything else. If you have a proposal to allow each link to also have a "label", propose it over in the Community forum... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:30, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::: (after edit conflict) I believe the current practice is to move the URLs linking to data sources from the notes into the Webpages multifield, when encountered (without altering the notes' meaning, of course, and clearly referring to the webpages field - akin to what you're proposing ie ''see title page (above)'', or similar). I do use it myself because I find it very handy - all links in the same place, not cluttering the notes. The tooltip help also says ''URL of a web site about this publication'' (not the work), so I think the link -does- belong there. I agree that the update by Zapp could be more precise, but as far as I'm concerned, and apart from that minor hiccup, not wrong. Now because English is not my mother tongue I may have misunderstood, but to me al this means the webpages field could/should be used to include all kinds of links to information about this particular publication. If you feel we're moving in the wrong direction with this field, it might be best to perhaps start a discussion over at the Community Portal (or R&S) to clarify its use? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:35, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Ugh, should have read Annie's reply firts - it looks I'm rehashing her arguments... [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:36, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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* Title page is always so important here (officially) --and images of commonly important facing page and verso ("copyright page") routinely easy to access from a title page image-- that it's hard to understand why we would dump a link to that one into the potpourri.<br />
: You are looking at it in the reverse. It is not that we want to dump it in the mix of other links; it is that when it is inside of the notes, it is very very hard for non-technical editors to fix anything even when they have a correction. If you want the title pages to be specifially linked somewhere (when available), propose that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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* Are we now using the publication Webpages field for linking to Project Gutenberg Ebooks (either top pages, as in the link that is buried by default down in the left margin of Publication view, or HTML views directly)? I expect that that would be a great help to casual users of the site, as opposed to we accomplished editors in our occasional visits as users. No doubt Amazon would be useful to many casual users too, and newer editors. <br />
: '''No because Project Gutenberg books are considered separate publications in the DB - so linking them from the hc book is simply wrong.''' They get automatically linked from the left menu when you go to their respective publications. Archive.org and similar pure digitization non-OCR projects are a different matter - those are linked from the publication page indeed as they give you the "book" and not just the text. Feel free to reopen the discussion on Gutenberg if you want... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: (emphasis added) No, no, I mean use the new "Webpages" field, in our publication record of the Gutenberg ebook, rather than rely on a link named "Project Gutenberg" that is buried down in the left margin of the browser window, outside of the publication records display. As we display Amazon links that generated by value of ISBN field, rather than ASIN field, in the left margin outside of the browser window. <br />
:: Thanks for your replies. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:40, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Ah, sorry, apparently I misread or misunderstood the question. No - the old rules apply - if we already have a link on the left side deriving from the same value or as an external ID, we do not add it to the web pages as well. We need to make these links on the left more prominent especially for Gutenberg books but... not sure how and where to stick them. <br />
::: The Amazon left side links uses an ASIN link to Amazon actually - via the ISBN. So for all 978- ISBNs it works as a charm; so it does for any paper book with ISBN10. The newer books with ISBN-13 starting with 979? Not so much - and for them instead of ISBN10 as an ASIN (which cannot be calculate), Amazon adds B* ASINS - so we record these as ASIN. :) And the ebooks ISBN links don't lead where you want them to. So if Amazon issues an ASIN starting with B, we record that separately, regardless if there is an ISBN; if it does not, then the ASIN is the same as ISBN10 so we have that covered. Always fun when our links change their behaviour... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:51, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
(aside) I wonder whether this was my first edit conflict at "home"? I haven't had much traffic here since Mhhutchins completed the mentoring. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:09, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I suspect it has more to do with most editors being too scared of your notes to edit them :) More seriously though - you tend to work in areas that almost noone else touches and you tend to clean your links -- which rarely leaves work for someone else on these records. I had been here a few times for clarifications but most of the times your notes are clean enough. It is a community project and the only way for it to work is to discuss things. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
Sorry, I noticed this discussion not earlier as now. My English not so fluent to understand all of Your writings exactly. But I didn't want to upset anybody. Thinking about I should have put the webpage link redirecting to the beginning of the scan [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t1pg1wv9s&view=1up&seq=1 here] since the title page was alredy linked in notes. I guess it is useful to find a scanned publication in total using this link or to have an alternative external ID there when there is no one preset. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 15:36, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Hi Zapp. OK. AnnieMod and MagicUnk provided me good explanations. I have a followup at your page. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 19 June 2020 (EDT) ... Done. <br />
:: Concerning the '''link to title page image in Notes''' [1] Sometimes I do fashion that as "-- <u>title page</u>" alone on one line. Probably I shouldn't, because that may invite removal. For the 1st ed. ''Tales of the Masque'' P{{p|778464}}, since your first visit I have extended that line with "red and black, as "Lawrence and Bullen" (commonly '&') with Bull logo". [2] If you do remove the link, it's best to leave unlinked text in the Notes with instruction, such as "title page (linked above)", rather than to delete the former linkname. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Laurence Alma Tadema ==<br />
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{{A|Laurence Alma-Tadema}} currently contains no credits under that name (with the dash). Will you be adding any? If not, instead of establishing an alternate name for {{A|Laurence Alma Tadema}} (without the dash), I will make that the canonical name. The canonical name should a form that was published. The "true" name would go into the legal name field. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:49, 21 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I composed, then deleted, a long Note to Moderator --MagicUnk anticipated-- either here, or AuthorUpdate, or when submitting the publication Note for the 2015 ebook P{{p|779904}} (see the last bullet point).<br />
: It occurs to me that I should check (? Contento and/or Locus) for the three 2010s publications. ...<br />
: JLT, I think you should hold overnight. FWIW below is what I composed/drafted early this hour :--) before moving up here. ('FWIW' doesn't mean you need to read it.) I need exercise and food break, maybe can't get back today (Sunday here). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:22, 21 June 2020 (EDT) <br />
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: I consider Laurence Alma Tadema the better choice. Certainly she <br />
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: I don't know that Alma-Tadema is a legal name, only that it is the canonical name of the writer here and there, and the canonical name of her father the visual artist here and there. Of course our Legal Name field is full of such.<br />
: I do not have a confirmed publication as by Laurence Alma-Tadema. Nor do we/I have a confirmed publication as by "L. Alma-Tadema", whose report I believe spurious. Among 5 publications of the work/story in 5 publications of the 1886 anthology, this is the only confirmed name-as-credited. <br />
: Publication as Laurence Alma-Tadema is not unlikely in the three 2010s publications of the anthology by Leonaur Ltd. Unfortunately the two ISBN are not found at WorldCat and "Look inside" the 2015 ebook does not resolve<br />
* '''"The Contents list comprises linked story titles and story section numbers, no author names. There is no opening essay. Editor Henry Norman, and authors of the opening poem and first story, are credited here as in the 1886 US edition. There may be differences elsewhere."'''<br />
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::I merged them together under {{A|Laurence Alma Tadema}}. If you find publications with alternate credits, we can revisit. But for now, we will make due based on the credits we have in the database at the moment. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:40, 22 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Good! I check in 24 hours later to ask you to go ahead.<br />
::: I much prefer "Laurence Alma Tadema" myself, but that would be true even if 2010s publishers were hyphenating that name. And even if "L. Alma-Tadema" were confirmed genuine rather than spurious. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:58, 22 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Note to self ==<br />
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created 2022-03-23 23:46 [EDT]<br />
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Exceptionally complex "Note [singular] to self" : cut-paste as new [[User:Pwendt/comeback]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:08, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Readers union HTML issue ==<br />
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Hi. I approved the submissions & saw the problem but left it for the morning to figure out when less tired. Fixed now[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?50412]. Noted solution on moderator board, simple but not immediately obvious.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 11:30, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Book of Lamps and Banners ==<br />
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I don't see that you are changing anything with this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5303231 submission]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:57, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: The queue is a bit long. I corrected some UK publ from Mulholland Books / Little, Brown and Company but one PVerified book was a leftover. In reply to my notice (another problem too) verifier merged the publishers, he explains [[User:Willem H.#The Revisionists]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:22, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I understand, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:42, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kiki Strike books ==<br />
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"Kiki Strike" is the series, so while it may appear on the title page, it's not actually part of the title. It's not uncommon to include the series title on the title page with the book title. I've rejected these submissions: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337912 The Empress's Tomb] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337933 Inside the Shadow City]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:42, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Book 2 ''The Empress's Tomb'' in UK softcover, I improved and resubmitted, now in the queue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5348988]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:37, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Same for Book 1 ''Inside the Shadow City'' in US softcover reissue, now in the queue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350597]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:17, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Eerie Book (2) ==<br />
: ''directly concerning the 1981 Castle Books edition''; cf. [[#The Eerie Book]]<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?487344; I replaced the cover that I believe you added because it's clearly the same cover, but the one I used was less faded and didn't have a time stamp on the bottom. Then a PV wrote an extra note today about the "showed" cover (I think they meant "shown") possibly not being the correct cover because it was added post-PV. So can you verify it's the same (which it clearly is by looking at it) so that note can be removed? --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:05, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Hi. 2020 PV Anniemod (and moderator for my work on the 1898 edition, who cooperated on the title records) has pursued the matter further. Related: I revised the heading and inserted a cross-reference, above.<br />
: Do you have Internet Archive subscription to make use of publication links for full interior views of all(?) books at Archive.org? <br />
: In effect, I am away for ten days, thru this weekend.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:13, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Don't bother; it's a dumb discussion about some supposed cover color difference which doesn't actually exist. The important thing is I've added a link to the Archive's copy of the 1981 reprint edition, because the Archive's copies of the original 1898 edition have the library stamp hole-punched through most of the illustrations, making them useless for printing out, while the reprint's illustrations are untouched. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:04, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Doll Who Came Alive ==<br />
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You wrote extensive notes for this book in 2017, for 1942 and 1972 editions, with a lot of questions about dates and such, and I just saw that someone uploaded a copy to Archive.org in 2020, https://archive.org/details/dollwhocamealive0000treg, which is a 4th printing/impression, in case that helps you to clear up any questions and add/fix info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:10, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks! Now what is that once-used Archive.org password? :--( <br />
: Linknotes to Self: Editor {{a|Elizabeth Yates}} <br />
: Editions (1st pr) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?612880 as 1942-09-17] (no image) (LO, Kirkus, newspapers, ABEbooks w/images) <br />
: 2nd ed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?612914 as 1972-08] (front cover) (LO, Kirkus[again], Amazon --dnf newspapers)<br />
: Archive.org [https://archive.org/details/dollwhocamealive0000treg/page/n1/mode/2up 1942 ed, 4th printing] i1 front jacket [signed 'NSU'] w/flap; i83 back jacket<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:51, 26 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== An Enemy at Green Knowe ==<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5390921 submission] to clone this book to add a new publication record for a 1977-05-31 Puffin printing. There is already an existing 1977 Puffin [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260813 publication record], that seems like it may be the record you are attempting to add. Do you have evidence that Puffin did two printings in 1977? If not, you should update the existing record rather than create a new one. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:13, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Ron, you are right. 1977 Puffin update is now in the queue as 5394619 5394620 (two).<br />
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== Title and publication date alignment ==<br />
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Just a reminder. Don't forget that when you update the publication date, you also have to submit the update of the title dates in the Contents section accordingly. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:32, 31 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Did I overlook some Publication Update that predates one of its Title records? That would have been my oversight. <br />
: I suppose we continue to accept title date such as 1968-00-00 with publication date such as 1968-09-16. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:34, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Missing country ==<br />
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Just a gentle reminder that we are an international site so "Raised in Rochester, New York" should be "Raised in Rochester, New York, USA" :) I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5642 here] but do not forget to add the country when adding cities and other locations. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:10, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Is that reasonable even for New York and England?<br />
: New York City and London are common on our publisher pages, without even identifying New York and England. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:20, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: There are a lot of Londons [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_(disambiguation) out there]. There are also quite a lot of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York#Places New Yorks]. If we allow an exception for one language/2 countries, we will need to do it for others as well and it will end up in a convoluted set of rules. So let's keep it simple and not make exceptions and just always list the country. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:34, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: PS: Just because the practice is not always followed (especially in the past) does not mean that we cannot do better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:35, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dolittle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295530; I added/fixed stuff for this recently; it was just approved and then the mod wrote me to say that the note about corrupt record should be removed now, but since it seems you're the one that wrote it I'll leave it up to you to decide whether to do that, since I'm not sure what it means or whether it's still relevant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:31, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: By the way, it's "Dolittle" as in Doctor, Do Little.<br />
: Thanks, I will do that. From the record I see that you corrected imprint, page count, caps & spelling; not price. Newly you provided Image, Webpage, month from t.p. verso (as you Noted), and *US price from front cover* (Image). Is that right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:40, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: That's right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:14, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Literary Wonderlands ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5461654; I made some minor fixes and added the Archive link, which may help you flesh out your work on this book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:34, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== B Magical ==<br />
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I'm holding your 6 submissions re: the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29524 B Magical] series. I understand what you want to do. The most efficient way is as follows.<br />
# Make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?147723 Lexi Connor] an alternate name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?126269 Julie Berry].<br />
# These two submissions are fine [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5450459 The Chocolate Meltdown] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5450467 The Superstar Sister].<br />
# Cancel the fours submissions breaking the variant relationship in the other four titles. Just edit each of the existing parent titles. Change the author to Julie Berry & correct the title.<br />
If we break the variants as you submitted, we will need to delete the 4 empty parent title records and then create four new parent titles. Does this make sense? If you agree, do step 1 and 3, post here and I will process all seven edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:46, 22 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: But we need 10 variant titles as by Lexi Connor, right? Six under the canonical-title and four under alt-titles. The six and the four all need to be variants, as by Lexi Connor, of NOVEL parents by Julie Berry that have no publications. <br />
: That is, I am following the previous approach, without questioning it. You suggest that previous editors should not have created parents with <i>Spelling B</i> book titles, unless willing to do the work of adding those presumable first editions to the database? (I didn't notice last fortnight that we have 4 of 10 NOVEL records with no publications in the database; simply undertook to make Julie Berry parents of all 10 Lexi Connor title records.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:57, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Three points --not aligned with your three steps, so I make them unnumbered bullet items.<br />
:* Procedure for adding titles from Amazon. Perhaps it's proper with a work that is new at ISFDB --given earlier publication under a known different title (I presume that was known by our Amazon team member, and I haven't yet confirmed the fact of <i>Spelling B</i> publication)-- the publication reported by Amazon should be added under its publication title and date; and a parent should be created under the known 1st ed. data --presuming that that will be added later.<br />
::* Now I have located WorldCat records of stories #1-4 under original titles ''Spelling B ...'' (OCLC 277204477 , 501300482 , 560344104 , 794059493 as 4 print books; beside 4 ebooks).<br />
::* Whatever the usual procedure[*], I think it's reasonable here to make ''The Missing Magic'' and other short titles canonical (as by Julie Berry, with 1st ed. publication dates as title dates, of course). Essentially, the original series name was replaced after issue of 4 stories thus. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:14, 23 October 2022 (EDT) <br />
:* On the technical point: I know revision of parent title from ID ###1 to ###2 (a different parent) or to 0 (no parent; not a child). Is it possible using only the bottom half of the Make Variant screen (Option 2 : If the parent title does not exist, enter the title information below to create it.) to replace an existing variant relation at once?<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5450467 The Superstar Sister] isn't fine. It makes "2nd of several" a publication Note; should be Note to Moderator.<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:52, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Take a look at the result after I processed the seven edits outlined above. I didn't edit the title field as you stated they were correct (hasty assumption on my part). I simply changed the author in the parent titles to the canonical name. Isn't the result what you were aiming for? I left the four variant submissions on hold for you to cancel. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:37, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: No, I was taking the first step toward 16 NOVEL records: 6 as by JB with no publications; and the original 10 as by LC (created 2011 by Mhhutchins) as variants of the 6. Step zero, make variants of all 6 Mhh parent records, could not be submitted while those were parents. <br />
:::: But I do see your point. And the 10 NOVEL records now in the database, after your session-10-23, do match 10 of my 16 targets. Your implied advice: ADD the 1st ed. stories (''Spelling B ...'' as by Lexi Connor) as 4 new NOVEL submissions; later make them variants as appropriate. Until then --if and when you get around to adding them as Publications-- we don't need (and perhaps avoid by policy) such variant Titles without publications. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:39, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: As you continue to work on these, you might find [https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%28lexi%20connor%29 this] useful. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:46, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Canceled the quartet. Suggestion noted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:55, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
(unindent)John, With reference to the previews at archive.org, just now I added (submissions 5465337-40) 1st ed., 1st printings of books 1-4 as New Novels ''Spelling B ...'' by Lexi Connor. Later I will proofread comparatively; make variants; consider parent Titles annotation and redate.<br />
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Do you generally find such scans by site search at archive.org? Or by another route? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:10, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Submissions 5465337 thru 5465340 have been approved as is since you will be editing all of them. Let me know when the next round is ready for review.<br />
:* I added "(unindent)" to your post as is our practice.<br />
:* I search archive.org directly. In this case, I used metadata 'Advanced Search'. I use url searching when I wish to see the state of a given website as it existed at a specific time.<br />
: Thanks for your hard work on these, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:15, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Now submissions 5465647-48 and 50-51; 5465728-31 --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:41, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Submissions approved. The following items need attention. Missing juvenile flags for all 2011 & 2012 titles (8 titles). Fix case: 'With' is only capitalized if the first or last word of a title (2 titles, 1 pub title). Fix case: 'Spelling B and the missing magic' (1 title, 1 pub title). Submit edits for the above and anything else you see, then consider the following. Did you notice that the archive had both the 2010 and 2011 printings of 'Spelling B and the Runaway Spell'? The title pages are identical. Shouldn't the pub titles and titles records be the same? Thoughts? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:09, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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=== To Do list === <br />
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# Pwendt, 10:36:21 EDT (quote as [nowiki]) <nowiki>Note to Moderator: 1st of 4; later<br> • child #1 needs capital Ms (NOVEL and COVERART)<br> • check all child COVERART (import, merge?); juv<br> • expand series Note </nowiki><br />
# Scifibones, 12:09 immediately above<br />
# 2011 eds. as ''B Magical:'' are now indb as 144 pages; #1 pb, #2-4 unknown; #5 pb; #6 pb £3.74<br />
# 2011 eds. #3-4 at archive.org (not known to hold scans of 2011 eds. #1-2 and 5-6):<br />
:* back covers state C$6.99, or Canada-only $1 price cut<br />
:* #3 1st printing, "This edition first printing, April 2011"; #4 2nd printing, "This edition first printing, May 2011" (not July)<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:37, 27 October 2022 (EDT) </font><br />
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== The Girl with the Broken Wing ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5458626 this submission]. Your source identifies the format as 'pbk' yet you made it hc. What am I missing? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:22, 22 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, the two ISBN are ISBN-13 and ISBN-10 for the same publication, unusually with duplicate "(pbk.) : £4.99". Not the usual, noteworthy, "first of two ISBN". Maybe I can find a WorldCat record {{done}} ... before I re-write and resubmit. {{done}}<br />
: New submission 5462997 is intended to be identical except format, to your point; linked WorldCat record; and Note, bullet-point layout with revised first bullet point. Please compare before you approve one and delete the other. That's the procedure, I presume. <br />
: (Thanks for your attention here. This is one I would not catch on proofread of My Recent Edits.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:27, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I approved the revised submission, but left the original for you to cancel. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:07, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: {{done}} --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:55, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Space Travel ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5474863 This book] will only be eligible if it illustrates fiction or is related to fiction. From what I can see, this is not the case. Can you share some more details about it? Thanks!<br />
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PS: We have a lot of non-fiction books in the DB which were entered under a different set of rules (based on having reviews in our magazines). We are slowly cleaning them up - the current rule is that the non-fiction books we add (which includes art books) should be related to speculative fiction or to books about speculative fiction. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:29, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: It doesn't belong in the database by that criterion. Perhaps I should note all 7 from last fortnight (6 pub update or clone, because the other six works were already here in US eds. if not UK eds.) at Community Portal. ... = seven 1953 UK books reviewed together as "Getting Ready for Blast-Off" by Charles Daly, The Observer 1954-01-10, p7.<br />
: To be continued, not today but mid-November(?). Use HOLD for now? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:52, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: We know this one is out so I may as well reject it and if I catch the others, I can clean up the copies we have and get them out as well... Let me know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:55, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: All those will be in the queue from -10-31 give or take a day. Dirk J Broer approved all the associated AuthorUpdate from not much earlier.<br />
::: I think I mentioned that it looks to me {{a|Willy Ley}} is someone in the database and deemed above the threshold for what is literally non-fiction. That is, for voluminous exobiology or cryptozoology, not presented as fiction. <br />
::: We also have such works as ''Flying Saucers Have Landed'' --presented as non-fiction but some who call themselves real scientists would call it fraudulent, rather than merely fanciful. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:44, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: We had had a lot of different rules through the years - and we have a LOT of non-fiction that needs deleting. If it is published as science and the person who wrote it believed it to be science, it is out. That also applies to UFOs, ghosts, alien abductions, other creatures, religion book and so on- unless it was published and meant to be fiction, it is not eligible. Look at our [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Included Included section of the ROA] - the non-fiction is only eligible under points 3 and 4. If it does not tie to fiction in some ways, it is out :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:53, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: So is there anything that will qualify it into the DB or should I reject the submission (or you can) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 23:39, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: I "cancel" the submission based on our discussion and ROA (linked above). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:13, 4 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Lost City ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5486056; While searching Google Images for cover image an ISFDB page came up, Pwendt/later, where you wrote about this book. Apparently the LoC copy was uploaded in 2017, very shortly after you entered this book, so after my edit's approved I'm sure you can add/fix more stuff. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Re your Note to Moderator: NOVEL edit history shows that I re-dated as 1883-00-00 when (2016-11-08 relocation from the publ record) I noted the original 11-part serial beginning 1883-10-30. NOVEL date should be first publication as a book. <br />
: Re the title page fib "1885": Sometime during my two-year pandemic absence there was ISFDB Wiki resolution, I believe, to augment the publication Date field, where we know that the actual and stated dates differ. Report both 1884-12-20 and 1885 in this instance. But augmentation hasn't been done. Usually (more recently?) I have put the publication date from the title leaf in the single field we have now.<br />
: Thanks. I will return to this one, as you suggest. Then I will re-layout as a bullet list (ie, with ul- and li-tags). Also I will insert my habitual opening lines for such cases: <br />
* '''1st ed. as a book''' (alluding to the 1883 serial; details in title record) <br />
* '''Published for the 1884 [Christmas][holiday][gift] season as 1885.''' (details in source note below)<br />
: Evidently I settled on the latter note, with 1885 in the Date field, sometime after this 2016/17 work. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:22, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ghostly Business ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514268; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514274; After these edits are approved you may want to see if you can add anything further. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. Evidently someone with a blue pen thought the bookcover windows and lights needed enhancement.<br />
: What is your criterion for adding a link to Archive.org (Webpages) or to OpenLibrary.org (External IDs)? I suppose your first submission is the fruit of exploration at the former website; and the second submission, exploration at the latter. <br />
: Just now I read this OL information page: [https://openlibrary.org/dev/docs/api/covers Open Library Covers API]. That may be useful to me occasionally. Too bad I didn't know it before the pandemic shutdown. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:59, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I used to add mostly OL ID, probably thousands of them in all, with an occasional Archive link added for one reason or another because I know that many of the non-public domain books aren't supposed to be on the Archive in the first place so I let people see the link on the OL page and decide whether they want to go to the Archive copy, but over the last few months with the server move here creating a huge mess and ISFDB-friendly sites like Amazon, WorldCat and others completely re-designing their sites it's a waste of time trying to do anything properly, so I just add mostly Archive links now with an occasional OL ID added for one reason or another. I've got about a thousand pending edits at the moment so if things go as planned and I leave here for awhile those should keep mods busy for a long time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:15, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Note to self again ==<br />
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Current contents of this page User talk:Pwendt <br />
: 001–002 : April 2015<br />
: 003–056 : Sep 2015 to Apr 2016 (8 months; about half the page by length)<br />
: 057–155 : May 2016 to Jun 2020<br />
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: 156–171 : Mar 2022 to Dec 2022 (May to Dec, essentially)<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:44, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?365842 Earwig and the Witch] ==<br />
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Hi! This has the note 'Evidently shorter than 15,000 words' (it's a bit unclear who added this), but this should lead into the transformation into a CHAPBOOK / SHORTFICTION: with this length it's a novelette. There's now a German translation out with 107 pages and many illustrations, which lead me to this title. Anything against the conversion? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:10, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Evidently that note item is mine. (First word "evidently" is evidence; last word evidently, probably, etc, would be stronger evidence.) Probably I counted words on one page only, and guessed the mass of illustrations, etc.<br />
: By the way, I don't know how to convert efficiently for a multiply published novel. What sequence of submissions? So go ahead and do it. Tell me the sequence if convenient. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:42, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks! Will do. If you come across this problem some time later, you'd have to change the NOVEL title to a SHORTFICTION one, and then, somewhat regrettably, one has to edit change all the publications into CHAPBOOKs (meaning you also will have to add a CHAPBOOK title to each one of them, so that each of the publications has a fitting container title). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:37, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== King of the Golden River ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?615941; https://archive.org/details/kingofgoldenrive0000rusk_b0c0; Library edition uploaded in Dec. of 2020 (there's a little label on the back cover), in case you want to enter it like I assume you did for the regular Greenwillow edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:30, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Annotated Snark ==<br />
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Hi, You verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?670586 this publication]. Can You remember the cover, maybe that one to be seen on [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=11418303274 abebooks]? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 07:37, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: I cannot. I should have kept a list of Transient PV from my local public libraries but I did not. Perhaps soon I will learn how to go from the scanner every branch now provides to an image suitable for ISFDB upload. <br />
: Two months ago I foresaw that retracing at local public library branches will be productive for ISFDB coverart image purposes ([[ISFDB:Community Portal#Amazon-hosted cover scans at images/P/]]). I haven't yet tried that and it belongs on the list for this winter.<br />
: It occurs to me also, I should note in publication records whether the verification copy has a dustjacket, same as I note when it does not have the original book cover.<br />
: Thanks for asking. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:32, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I found the right cover in [https://archive.org/details/annotatedsnark0000lewi archive.org], it's the same. I added. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:04, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: Thanks. I expanded my personal table of Primary Verifications (easy now, as only 120 in number) with a few extra columns that I should have used personally from the start, and a few that I would have added recently --concerning "/images/I/" and "/G/" and "/P/". It's only Day 2 and I have my first revision to make, with this image now in the database. And thanks for the price note. <br />
::: I see that you added the image hours after the other work, perhaps because you collect from ABEbooks and others, and manipulate for upload to ISFDB. Do you know that direct links to OpenLibrary.org cover images are acceptable? In this instance: <br />
::: [ <nowiki>https://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/12857132-L.jpg</nowiki> [https://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/12857132-L.jpg 1962 Snark, front dj] ]<br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:00, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Short and Tall Tales ==<br />
Were you planning on setting the non-genre flag as appropriate for the titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?496711 here]? [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5572534 This submission] sparked my curiosity. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:13, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: I don't have any knowledge to tag any story non-genre. I know the 29 mystery novels from #1-3, part of #29, and vaguely one other that is set in Moose County (#5-29). On that basis I confidently amplify what Mhhutchins and Chavey say and assent in the publication note, too briefly and without any Title annotation (all too common). Our later PVerifier is absent since 2015, or I might have asked herm ---who evidently did nothing but scan the record and check the box, by the way. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:46, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574837; The cover art is the same on the HC, which is also on OL/Archive, so if anyone creates a record for that edition the artist will need importing/date will need to be fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I have observed the 1st ed. Beside "non-genre" where appropriate, which requires some reading, all the stories need "short story" length and 2002-10 date --if we retain them in the database. Fix some titles too (&, '). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:44, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-approver status ==<br />
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Self-approver flag has been set on your account as per the consensus [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-nomination_for_self-approver_-_Pwendt on the Community portal]. Congratulations! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:41, 11 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. I vacated for a week after nominating myself last fortnight, but home computer trouble then extended my absence. So far in CoViD--19 era, I do not often work elsewhere, and I don't contribute by handheld phone. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:19, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Clock That Went Backwards ==<br />
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Please do not enter statements into the database like you did [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5604903 here]. All but two of these titles have been verified by active editors. If you have questions about the verifications, ask the verifiers on their talk pages to double check the records. Do not simply add a title note stating their verifications may be erroneous. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:57, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: For a start I have User space inquiries of [[User talk:Markwood]] (5 of the 8 PV) and [[User talk:Dave888]] (2 PV). It seems to me reasonable to wait for replies from both, before writing to remaining verifiers of single editions. For both Markwood and Dave888, I noted that the title notes are already out of date. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:08, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A Little Boy Lost ==<br />
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You had created an entry for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?645583 A Little Boy Lost] a few years ago and gave it date of late 1920 based on advertisements in the papers of the day. I was going down rabbit holes and ran across [https://archive.org/details/sim_publishers-weekly_1920-02-07_97_6/page/388/mode/2up?q=knopf The Publishers Weekly 1920-02-07: Vol 97 Iss 6] which references the Knopf edition for $1.50. I have no idea if it's a different publication or different price and need to come up for air, sanity and scheduled things. Not wanting to just leave it, I thought I'd let you know, without expectations of any kind. Ta ta. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:40, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. Not for attention soon but I expect to catch up with Talk page tidbits sometime. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 08:45, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Perceval Press ==<br />
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I made some edits (5629911, 5629914, 5629915) re: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?53991; I added Archive.org links to both and then corrected page count of Pirates from 177 to 211 (Mammoths really is 177). You wrote extensive notes so after approval you may be able to do some more work on these. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:18, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Man In The Window ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=cohen+man-in-the-window; You may want to know there's a copy of the recent edition also on Archive.org; I don't see a link in the ISFDB record you just worked on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:31, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The 2013 print edition, yes. Thanks.<br />
: Work to be continued (print and ebook). See my Note to Moderator [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5635991] as I take a break, perhaps done for the day. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:40, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I didn't do much this morning (Friday) yet may be done for the day, with many database records in progress, needing revisit. Most recent and top of the list: {{a|Nancy Pearl}} series Book Lust and Book Crush Rediscoveries (only 3 works in database as far as I know); other editions of ''Mr. Pudgins''. <br />
: Then revisit other works by Ruth Christoffer Carlsen. Then jump back to late March, before a fortnight hiatus. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:54, 14 April 2023 (EDT)</div>
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<p>Pwendt: /* Man In The Window */ work in progress [as i have a few others to be resumed this weekend]</p>
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<div>{{welcome}} --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 15:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Tough Guide to Fantasyland ==<br />
Hello, I have left a reply to your note at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#DAW Tough Guide to Fantasyland]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 15:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Signature ==<br />
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Regarding your question "Do I need a main User page in order for the four tildes to generate a User talk page link?"<br />
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To add a link to your talk page to your <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> signature you edit the Nickname field on '''[[Special:Preferences]]'''. I suspect at present the nickname is set to:<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]<br />
to add a link to the talk page make it<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]<br />
Because this example is on your talk page the example is displaying as "|'''talk'''" rather than as a clickable link. On other pages it will be a link to this page.<br />
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Some users are adding superscripts or parentheses.<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]<sup>[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]</sup></nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]<sup>[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]</sup><br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Pwendt|talk]])</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Pwendt|talk]])<br />
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If you don't want a red link then just link to the talk page:<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User talk:Pwendt|]]</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User talk:Pwendt|Pwendt]]<br />
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Changes to the nickname won't fix pages that you had signed earlier using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 19:36, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Done using 'Pwendt|talk'. This is one test. [[User:Pwendt|&#91;&#91;User:Pwendt&#124;&#93;&#93;&#124;&#91;&#91;User talk:Pwendt&#124;talk&#93;&#93;]] 23:29, 9 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks. Following exchange with Mhhutchins at the Help Desk, done with the same nickname and "Raw signatures (without automatic link)". This is a another test. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 10 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::As this test show, the "talk" doesn't link when it's posted on the page to which it is linked. Took me a second to realize that! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:04, 10 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Author data ==<br />
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I accepted your submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?176002 this author]'s data, but had to make a few corrections. The Legal Name field should be entered in the format: Lastname, Firstname Middlename. Also I changed the Wikipedia link from the German version to the English version. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:14, 13 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. I see that another reviewer quietly rearranged a First Middle Last yesterday. <br />
: I missed your note then, probably because I supposed that my "new messages" notice at the database referred to your preceding note. Now I will learn whether a reply to the *latest* message alone will turn off that notice. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:58, 17 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: Yes, it does turn off the notice.<br />
:: P.S. Just now I submitted a change for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1455224 that author's book], the correct publ date for book 3 in a series we don't have. Not finding "Add New Series" in the left margin and finding I am too tired to look further now, so i am warned "Unknown Series". Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:04, 18 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Don't be afraid of the "unknown series" warning. It just means we don't have it in the database, or it could be in a different name. The slightest variation will generate the warning, which allows you the opportunity to search the db or to submit when you're certain that the series name you've provided is correct. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:58, 18 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::: Thanks --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:32, 24 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Since you're making an effort to add the Wikipedia link to these author's data summary, you could simultaneously update the birthdate and birth place data as well. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:04, 26 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::OK, I'll use "My Recent Edits" to revisit those people at Wikipedia-EN. <br />
::::::Do I add "language: English" by default because English is my language setting?<br />
::::::I noticed one evident duplicate and didn't quickly find how to merge people, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?77305 author 77305] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?170359 author 170359]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:54, 26 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Demigod Files'' ==<br />
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Instead of updating the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?534240 publication record] for the first edition, changing it to a third printing, you should have cloned the record and creating a new record based on your copy. I've created another record for the first printing. Now you'll need to change the publication date to "0000" (displayed as "unknown") if the third printing date isn't stated and update the Note saying the data is from Amazon. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. Just now I submitted a next stage with this Note to Moderator:<br />
: Augmentation in progress, primary transient verification to follow.<br />
: This contents listing omits 5 "interviews" with campers that span p64-76; a puzzle, etc, and answers that span p134-142. None worth the length of their titles but is there an alternative? The text of the first story does run p5-29 as the submitted contents listing now roughly implies but the other two stories run p33-63 and p85-133 which is not roughly implied here.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:57, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: And Antonio Caparo, The Demigod Files (character illustrations) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1933227 ISFDB Title Record # 1933227] --a title that I composed as the 8-page insert is not mentioned in the book table of contents-- update with this Note to Moderator<br />
:: The illustrations featured in this copy are 8 of the 26 now displayed by Disney at the bottom of its Percy Jackson and the Olympians series page [http://readriordan.com/series/percy-jackson-and-the-olympians/]. As these may be the most important 8 among those 26 characters, I suppose that all copies of the book contain the same selection. I don't know whether this Disney page is one that should be linked in the public note; I guess not because I suppose the crucial content is not stable.<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:21, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::You should probably add the information that you provided in the Note to Moderator field to the Note field. As I've said before, the Note to Moderator field disappears, and should only be ''about the submission'' and not about the publication. It is used to aid the moderator in their decision to accept the submission. Also, you don't have to duplicate the Note to Moderator when responding to a message here on your talk page. It's unnecessarily redundant (which I suppose is unnecessarily redundant itself! :)<br />
:::You have the option to link to pertinent websites in a special field of a title record, which you can do for the character illustrations if you wish. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:49, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Done: submitted extensions to the Publication notes from material in the Moderator notes quoted here. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:21, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Foundling'' ==<br />
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Submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547462 this record] was accepted, but I made the following changes:<br />
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* Disambiguated the titles of works which have generic titles<br />
* Changed the title of the map to the ISFDB standard<br />
* Changed the credit of the pronunciation guide from "unknown" to "uncredited". The former should be used only if the editor/publisher of the work acknowledges that the author of the work isn't known.<br />
* Fixed the Note field to add bullet points to every note (the last one was entered after the bulleted points.) <br />
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Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:09, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Can you advise me what is to be done when a generic title needs to be reused --further disambiguated again. Or not. If "About the Author" in a book of another title is identical, do we use a single title? and if so fashioned how? If another map of Prydain is not listed in the contents, provided with a heading, or internally titled, what to call it? Reuse "Prydain" (map) with a different date? What if one of those titles if available and with what priority? <br />
: For example, the map of Prydain (c) 1964 Evaline Ness, in the same style but different in content, which illustrates ''The Book of Three'' *is* internally titled "The Land of Prydain", internally meaning part of the artist's design. And for example, I know by examination that Henry Holt reused "About the Author" in multiple Prydain titles and editions, if not other Lloyd Alexander books too.<br />
: Perhaps there is an obvious place for me to read the instructions or the discussion concerning these issues. (I expect to return to Prydain rather fully only in December.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:28, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Any generic titles, like "Introduction", "Preface", "Afterword", "About the Author", etc. must be parenthetically disambiguated with the title of the publication in which they are contained. If the exact same work appears in other publications, then the records will have to be merged, if they have the same author credit and title, or varianted if they do not. Variants are based on a change in author credit, or a change in title, but not a change in text. <br />
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::Maps can be titled based on a caption, or a title within the map itself. If they are not titled, they should be given the title of the work they illustrate, just like all records typed as INTERIORART. They are given the title "Title of Work (map)" to distinguish them from other illustrations that may be contained in the same publication. If they appear in other publications, one title should be determined by a consensus of the primary editors, and the records can be merged, otherwise each will retain their title and then varianted to the record of its first publication. If there are specific cases for which you have questions, you can post it on the [[ISFDB:Help desk]]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:52, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: Thanks.<br />
::: By the way, reading [[Help:Screen:NewPub#General contents]] i see that I entered correct page numbers for The Foundling (which I primary verified) only by accident, because the table of contents gives the numbers of pages where contents begin rather than the numbers of chapter title pages. <br />
::: Almost certainly I followed a table of contents that does give page numbers of standalone chapter title pages when I entered The Demigod Files [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?534240]. The last sentence of my careful notes makes this clear, "Text of the first story does span p. 5-29 as this listing roughly implies ..." (listing gives page 3). No disaster. Instructions show that a verifier must also complete the Contents list, whose irritatingly trivial items I passed over (same Note).<br />
::: Thank you for your time and good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::I would suggest in the future that you never use a publication's contents page to enter titles into an ISFDB publication record. It may take a while longer to go through each page of a book or magazine, but it makes for a more accurate record of the publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Throne of Fire'' ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to add a new record of this title. It appears to be identical to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346772 this record]. Is there a reason for not updating the existing record instead of creating a new one? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:12, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Hi, Mhh ;-)<br />
: Only that this copy specifies first printing with no date other than 2011 copyrights while the existing record specifies May 2011 without printing number. I know that s/he/we/they editors would not have the printing number in Amazon data but I (mis?)understood that to be the point of your note above that I should (and you did put into effect) cloned rather revision of the first edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547336 ISFDB Publication Record # 547336].<br />
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::That's because the publication you were working with was clearly indicated as a third printing. We have to assume that records from secondary sources (like Amazon) give the publication date of the first printing. That's why you should not have overwritten that record. Once you did that I had no choice but to clone the original to create a record for the first printing which would have disappeared because of your submission changing it to a third printing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:35, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I see now that Kirkus did cover The Throne of Fire with a contemporary review and provide Publ date 2011-05-03 that matches both month and day of our "Data from Amazon and Worldcat as of 2012-08-31." in the record we have. Kirkus Reviews ''The Throne of Fire'' [https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/rick-riordan/throne-fire]. This is relevant broadly (had I looked for it yesterday, say) but from you I infer that it is not crucial. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: I can't say I never thought of doing such a thing, just overlooked. For The Serpent's Shadow last week I replaced citation of Amazon with "Kirkusreviews.com gives publ. date 2012-05-01 from contemporary review (-06-01 in print) as archived."<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:59, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Publication dates are provided by the publisher to both the retailer (Amazon) and the reviewer (Kirkus). So you can cite any reliable secondary source for data that isn't present in the publication itself. I don't know of any publisher who actually states the ''day of publication'' in the books themselves. Amazon provides the exact date for 99% of all books published since their inception in the mid-90s, and that date can be used in ISFDB records, ''as long as you cite the secondary source for data that's not present in the actual publication.'' [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:31, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'm still holding your submission. If you believe your copy is the same one represented by the current record, regardless of the publication date given in the record, please cancel it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:05, 19 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::: I am traveling with occasional short stints online, only a moment now. Do you mean cancel this and augment the other record with the new data? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:54, 19 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Title reference content record ==<br />
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When creating a publication record, don't add a content record for the title itself, but only for other contents. The system does that automatically. So when you add a NOVEL-typed record, a title reference record is created for the NOVEL. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?548363 this publication record] and you'll see that there are now two content records for the novel. Let me know when you've read this so that I can remove one of them from the record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:02, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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You made the same mistake with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?548364 this record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:03, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: I see, that is because I am not adding a title, which is already in the system (and linked to a series in this case, "Mary Poppins in the Park • [Mary Poppins • 4]"). Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:57, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: If you use the "Add publication to this title" function, as you did in both of these cases, you shouldn't add a content title for the title to which you're adding a publication. (Hope that makes sense.) In the future, when you're creating a new publication record, regardless of the type of publication or the function you use to create it, do not create a content title for the work itself. I'll clean up the record and remove (and delete) the duplicate titles. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:19, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: It makes sense. The matter now is to recall the point when looking at an empty contents list. Thanks for your help. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:36, 25 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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I have provided a partial answer at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#A Wizard of Earthsea]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 22:54, 27 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Mary Poppins in the Park'' ==<br />
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I've accepted your submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?83118 this record], but not before cloning it to create another record for what is presumably the first printing. If in the future you see that the publication is not a first printing, either stated or inferred from a number line, you should clone the existing record since it usually represents the first printing unless stated. I also zeroed the date field to show that the publication date of this second printing is not known. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:45, 8 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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About the page count field, adding brackets around a number indicates that there is a range of unnumbered pages on which significant content appears. So they should never be placed around roman numbers, since that indicates that the pages are roman numbered. What were your intentions in this case? And what appears on the "+[1]" page? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:48, 8 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Page "+[1]" --or 283, immed. following 282 where the novel ends with "Chelsea, London, etc" in nonfiction voice-- is about the author, untitled and uncredited, in the publisher's voice. Now after rereading instruction on what to leave out --viz. [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Contents included with exceptions]] (sec 2.3 bullet 2)-- that it qualifies as "otherwise insignificant". Rereading the same Help, sec 1.5 "Pages", it follows that 282 rather than "282+[1]" is correct.<br />
: None of the 20 pages preceding page 1 carries a roman numeral number. The map, pp [iv-v] in my notation, begins on the second sheet of ordinary stock, verso and ends on the third sheet, recto. The primary purpose of roman numerals in the update as submitted is to locate the map on the 4th/5th of 20 pages that precede page 1. I think also that I was pleased to count them, find 20; count the pages beyond page 282, find 2; and calculate 304 pages as stated by Amazon, presumably from the publisher's count of 152 sheets ordinary stock.<br />
: On page xvii in my notation there is an untitled note from the writer PLT explaining that Mary Poppins 4 is unlike books 1-3. It isn't a novel in some senses the first three are novels (chronological sequence of episodes, albeit loose; MP arrives in the first one, MP leaves in the last one; etc). I don't plan to suggest that it be recatalogued as COLLECTION, because i suppose it is so commonly considered a novel that it would merely be confusing to say otherwise. But I thought it note somewhere. Possibly I introduced roman numerals because I had in mind citing this later as page xvii of xx.<br />
: [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages]] (sec 1.5 sub-bullet 3) together with sec 2.6.2 "Page" imply that "[20]+282" is the correct format or syntax if it will be done, with "[4]" and "[17]" page references for the map and the author's note if they are entered as Contents. <br />
: I will now submit an update that covers incorporates all this as I understand it ... done. Feel free to reject or hold with comment here. I expect to be here for only several more minutes but again in 12 to 20 hours.<br />
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:;Author's Note, ''Mary Poppins in the Park'' <!-- note to self for now<br />
transcribe or describe this somewhere, maybe Wikipedia <br />
Have we no wiki pages for titles? Only for series and publications it appears to me now, visiting title Mary Poppins in the Park and its parent series and child publ. <br />
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:''Identical in the 1952 American edition and in this 1997/2006? edition/printing.''<br />
:"The adventures in this book should be understood to have happened during any of the three visits of Mary Poppins to the Banks family [books 1 to 3]. This is a word of warning to anybody who may be expecting they are in for a fourth visit. She cannot forever arrive and depart. And, apart from that, it should be remembered that three is a lucky number.<br />
:"Those who already know Mary Poppins will also be familiar with many of other characters who appear here. And those who don't--if they want to know them more intimately--can find them in the earlier volumes. // P. L. T.<br />
:--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:24, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach ==<br />
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I have replied to your message at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 07:17, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I added another reply to [[User talk:Marc Kupper#Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 08:21, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Author's Note (Mary Poppins Opens the Door)" ==<br />
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I changed the date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1942007 this record] from 1943 to 1944. We use the date a work is first published, not when it was written. It's highly probable that this appeared in the first publication of the novel. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:29, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I also found the date when [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1941942 this essay] was first published. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:48, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. In fact I thought to enter the original paper as a New Essay, based on data in the omnibus pp 1022-24, but I didn't see how to add new essay *and* it occurred to me that, if unpublished, it should not be in the database at all. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:40, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, it was published...but in a nongenre publication. That's why I recorded it in the Note field and changed the date of the record to the date of its first publication. We wouldn't use the date on which the paper was presented, since that doesn't represent an actual publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:30, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== 2nd printing of ''The Black Cauldron'' ==<br />
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When you cloned the record for the first printing to create [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551383 this record] for the second printing, you kept the original publication date. I have changed it to "0000". Be careful when cloning that you carefully examine the data in each field that is being retained. I personally do not use the "Clone This Pub" function if the publication isn't a container-typed record, i.e. a COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, or OMNIBUS. I use the "Add Publication to This Title" function for NOVEL-typed records. This avoids the strong possibility of copying the wrong data to a new publication record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:21, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Creating Bibliography and Biography wiki pages ==<br />
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When creating [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:Margot_Zemach this page], you removed the template which links it back to the author's summary page in the database. There's a warning at the time of creation that tells editors to not remove the header which looks like this:<br />
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Once you've acknowledged reading this message, I will restore the template so that the page is linked. Keep this in mind in the future when creating any bibliography or biography pages on wiki. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Yes I have read this and I have read the deletion log notice at [[Bio:Margot Zemach]] --which turned from blue to red as I was writing you about that very point. Blue preview, red save! --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:43, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I've restored the link by adding the template <nowiki>{{AuthorHeader}}</nowiki> to the top of the page. If you come across any other Bibliographic comments wiki page without a link back to the database, simply add that template in an edit to the page. By the same principle, you can add <nowiki><br />
{{BioHeader}}</nowiki> to a Biography page with a missing link. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:56, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Wolves of Willoughby Chase'' ==<br />
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I'm not sure if there should be two separate records for the interior art in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?552854 this publication]. From your notes it appears that the two artists are the same. Also, there's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50348 another record] for what is almost the same edition. The only difference is the price, and being from a secondary source, it's suspect. 01:21, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]]<br />
: The cover designs do not match (re Amazon we have discussed that some online sources mix-and-match cover images and editions/printings; I know that is true of WorldCat also). The cover design of my book matches the 3rd and 5th images in our [ [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/titlecovers.cgi?13699 current display of all covers], rather than the 2nd image or the 8th 13th and 15th images, all from the same cover art by Edward Gorey. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:11, 25 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I've pointed out earlier that the cover images attached to unverified records should not be the basis for creating separate records, especially if that's the only difference. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:24, 26 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it best to enter interiorart data based on what is explicit in the book. With time for some exploration now, I find confirmation at CopyrightEncyclopedia.com, a source new to me. [http://www.copyrightencyclopedia.com/the-wolves-of-willoughby-chase-by-joan-aiken-illustrated-by/ "''The Wolves'' ... by Pat Marriott, pseud. of Patricia Eleanor Howard"]. To me it seems clear that both names should be in the database with this note and I will submit the pseudonym--legalname relation now, no action on the two interiorart records. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:11, 25 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Now i submitted only Howard as legal name of Marriott. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:23, 25 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::But according to your record the book explicitly credits Pat Marriott on the title page as the illustrator. We don't use copyright data to determine credit unless there is no other credit in the publication. If all the illustrations are by the same person, there's no reason to create a separate content record for another name credited on the copyright page. If you've determined that her legal name was "Patricia Eleanor Howard", and unless there is not a record which explicitly credits Howard, then we don't need to create a pseudonym and variant. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:24, 26 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: I was able to ascertain the identity of Patricia Eleanor Howard and Pat Marriott --that is, to find the one source CopyrightEncyclopedia.com linked above-- only later and upon some investigation. I think you suggest, or urge, that Patricia Eleanor Howard appear in the Legal Name and Note fields of the database only; not Alternative Names until if/when we have some genre publication published under that name. So the INTERIORART title that I created should be deleted rather than "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work", which would make [P.E.H.] one of Pat Marriott Alternate Names. [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, the publication record should only contain a single content record for the work as it is credited in the publication. Any variants are created for titles but that should be no concern when you're working from a publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Supposing one INTERIORART content for this book (perhaps to be used eventually for all U.S. eds and some later U.K. eds illustrated by Marriott), I think it should carry the later date 1963. That is, maintain at least two Wolves of Willoughby Chase interiorart titles for Marriott rather than one (merge all) the 1962 date of the first ed. I say this by analogy to the expansion of a SHORTFICTION or fix-up of a COLLECTION (or a collection of SHORTFICTION never published as a COLLECTION) as a NOVEL. Do you agree? [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::It should carry the date of the publication unless it can be determined that the work appears in an earlier publication. Even if we have yet to create a record for the publication, you can change the date of any later reprints of the same work. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Somewhere, presumably under Help:, there is stricture concerning the merger of interiorart records for a single fiction title, to proceed iirc only if the full set of illustrations is used in both editions. I don't find it easily now and may recall incorrectly. [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::My opinion: This is basically a '''fiction''' database (the "F" in ISFDB), and any effort to record individual works of art is beyond the purposes of this database. If we know an artist illustrated a novel, and that a later printing of that novel contain illustrations from the same artist, it's not incumbent upon the editor to confirm that all of the illustrations are identical before merging the title records which represent '''the illustrating of the novel'''. Requiring that an ISFDB editor make such positive identification of each interior art record would be impossible. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: I wait for reply before any editing of ''The Wolves'' records. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hello, in the note field, you should use the HTML syntax (with tags) instead of the wiki one (with brackets). If not, it will lead to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?552975 such display]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:49, 26 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Notifying primary verifiers of changes to PV records ==<br />
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It is ISFDB policy to first discuss most changes to primary verified records with the verifying editors before making those changes. If you're adding notes to the record, you can usually do the notification simultaneously with the submission. Most editors have a notification preference at the top of their talk pages. I had to reject the submission to add contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11134 this PV record] for that reason. (Also, because the title and author of one of the content records was reversed, e.g. an essay titled "Bill Fawcett" authored by "Introduction...".) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:33, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I just noticed that had discussed it with the editor. (It was from about a week ago and I missed it.) I will try to reconstruct the changes to the notes, and enter the contents (correctly credited and titled). Again, sorry. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:36, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I see you made a subsequent submission to make the corrections. Rejecting the first submission before making a second submission to correct it would have been better, especially if I had accepted the submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:39, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Yearling ed. of ''Peter Graves'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?554604 this publication]: the format of the catalog number as it appears on the spine, "440-6889-075", is an early method some publishers used for paperbacks. The first three digits are the SBN-assigned publisher number which later became part of the ISBN. The second set of numbers is the publisher's catalog number. And the last set of numbers is the price designation. The catalog number, in this case "6889", would usually appear on the front cover as well. If there is no other number on the book, you can enter this number into the ISBN/Catalog # field of the ISFDB record, preceded by the "#" symbol. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:43, 6 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: (as I said) Back cover "010-014" may be catalog number but ...<br />
: Probably that means recommended ages 10 to 14. I'll get back to it but not today. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover: The Sea of Monsters ==<br />
:::: ''export notes to self [mistakenly posted here last hour 18:36, from both top and bottom of this section to [[User talk:Pwendt#Rick Riordan]] --Pwendt 19:38''<br />
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Hello, I've rejected your submission to change the date to 2014 for a 2006 publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1130253 here]. Can you be more precise regarding what you're intending to achieve? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 19:16, 9 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: My Recent Edits shows that you accepted at 14:14:41 so I surmise that you returned to undo that by hand (and database 14:14:41 is wiki 19:41, or one or the other displays the hour as relatively). Now I see too that the same change of date was accepted 2015-12-17 22:47:28 along with the prose Note (mine).<br />
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: I was trying correctly to date the cover art by John Rocco whose image we link there, per explanation in the Note. Of course, it was not used on the cover of the listed 2006 publication, which was perhaps the first edition of the novel --not verified, so correction of the cover image is for its someday primary verifier to correct, right?<br />
: What happens if the cover record is unlinked from the only publication that currently links it?<br />
: FYI the displayed cover is used in the 2014 boxed set where we display an image of the box with three books inside it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?445539 Publ 445539].<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:02, 9 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::As I understand what you wrote, the cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82094 for this publication] is not the correct one (it's a later -2014- cover art). If you're sure of this and depending on the data you have, don't hesitate to (either) 1) change the cover of the 2006 publication by uploading the correct one (use the "Upload new cover scan" and enter the URL), 2) link the 2006 publication to another correct amazon cover (just change the URL), 3) completely remove the cover record (via "Remove Titles From This Pub") leaving the 2006 publication as a coverless record (which is perfectly authorized as it's not PVed). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 09:11, 10 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: As an aside, I wonder whether moderators (not I) are able to check whether the field Image URL has been revised since a publication record was primary verified? (I know that the manual urges editors to be cautious about revising primary verified records, and to give notice at the user pages of the primary verifiers before/when they submit such revisions, and that some moderators check for such notices before they approve such submissions.) <br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::When the amazon (or ISFDB) URL is changed, the submission passes in the moderator's queue and is approved (we saw both the old and new images) so there's a limited check (personally, I tend to trust what's submitted and don't always check the covers' precise dates). The only case when there's no check is when a new image is uploaded via the "upload cover scan" which is a non-moderator-approved process. But, as we're limited in disk space, the moderators "hunt" for images with multiple versions, allowing for some degree of control. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:21, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: ''export notes to self [mistakenly posted here last hour 18:36, from both top and bottom of this section to [[User talk:Pwendt#Rick Riordan]]'' --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:38, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Harcourt Young Classics ed. of ''Mary Poppins'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?555136 this record]: I changed the publication date from "1934" to "0000" (displayed as "unknown"). Nothing in your notes indicate this printing was published in 1934, and with an ISBN, it's impossible. Also, can you confirm how the publisher is stated on the title page? Harcourt Young Classics appears to be an imprint of Harcourt. According to the Amazon "Look Inside", the publisher is "Harcourt, Inc." which we enter as simply "Harcourt". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:45, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Title page displays "Harcourt, Inc."; copyright page gives street address including "Harcourt, Inc."<br />
: I presume that all of Harcourt Young Classics, Odyssey Classics, HMH Children's Books, HMH Books for Young Readers --from this book and other recent eds of Mary Poppins here and at Amazon-- are imprints of Harcourt or prev. Harcourt & World, Harcourt Brace, HBJ; subseq. Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, etc. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:56, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::It is ISFDB standard (whether its documented or not) to use the title page publisher credit when possible. So the record should be changed to give "Harcourt" as the publisher. Imprints are entered if they are present on the title page. For example, all current books from William Morrow have the title page credit "William Morrow" (over) "An imprint of HarperCollinsPublishers" which we enter as "William Morrow / HarperCollins". If a publisher becomes an imprint (like William Morrow), we can easily track the publisher history by separating the books as published. If a book is reprinted under a subsequent incarnation of a publisher, then the ISFDB record must give the publisher as credited in the printing of the book which it records, whether it is Harcourt & World, Harcourt Brace, HBJ, etc. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Do you refer to your aspiration to get away from entering imprints in the Publisher field, as we routinely do? (Skim 'Ha' or 'Ho' in the publisher directory.) Or growing consensus? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:56, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::The publisher field is the only place we have to record imprints. If by "you" you're referring to the collective editors, I can't say. I, personally, have no aspirations to change the current way imprints are entered. There may have been some talk in the past to create a separate field but there's been no discussion about it lately. You can raise the subject on the Community Portal page to see if there's a chance of a change in the foreseeable future. If we do create a separate field for the imprint, then it should be easy to do system-generated edits to the records without manually editing thousands of records...but only if the editors who created and/or updated them have used the current method of separating imprint from publisher in the publisher field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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If I understand you correctly "Harcourt Young Classics" in the publisher field only as "Harcourt Young Classics / Harcourt". (The former now appears in the publisher directory(*) and the latter does not. I looked this up before submitting Harcourt Young Classics as the publisher.<br />
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On the general point, I meant in other words whether this is a plan to curate the publisher directory, presumably to eliminate entries such as "Dell Yearling" (imprint) and "Dell Yearling Newbery" (imprint and publication series) in favor of entries that identify the publisher properly -- with a slash followed by Doubleday, Dell or Bantam, Doubleday, Dell or whatever. (At the moment there is no slash entry in the directory alphabetized with "Dell Yearling".)<br />
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For publishers --that is, valid Publisher field entries-- familiar to me from the publisher directory, more often the "Publisher" column of the tables that ISFDB displays in Title records for named contents, often general knowledge or the front cover (as "A Dell Yearling Book" across the top) i usually enter that. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:47, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:The publisher directory isn't curated. It's generated by the system and includes every unique publisher in the database. If I incorrectly entered the publisher as "Del Ray", it would create a new listing under that name. There are probably thousands of records in the database which should be cleaned up to present a clearer record of how the publisher is stated. Unfortunately, there's not that many editors here who can make the time and effort to undertake such a gargantuan task. That's why we at least try to get the primary verified records to match the stated publisher, and because publisher credits vary from spine to front/back cover, title page, and copyright page, we ask that editors use the credit from the title page, as 99% of all books give the publisher there. As for records sourced from secondary sources, when I stumble upon them, I usually try to change them to the publisher as given in the OCLC record. The librarians who edit that database are asked to use the title page publisher credit, so at least we have their data to fall back on. Using the front cover credit is usually not a good idea, because too often it's a publication series and not the imprint or publisher. BTW, there is only one record now in the database for "Harper Young Classics" (the one you entered), because the only other record which had that credit was a non-verified record, and checking on OCLC, I determined it should have been entered as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?53112 Odyssey / Harcourt Young Classic / Harcourt]. So I corrected it. That leaves yours. And as I suggested above, you should use the title page credit of "Harcourt". If your copy has any indication anywhere else of the imprint of "Odyssey / Harcourt Young Classic" you can add that to the publisher field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:44, 13 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== LCCN and title or publication-specific data ==<br />
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The Library of Congress Control Number should be provided (and linked if possible) in the Note field of the publication record to which the number has been assigned. It should not be entered into the Note field of the title record, since titles are frequently republished with a different LCCN. A good rule of thumb about which data to note in which record (the title or the publication): if it applies to a specific publication, it should go in the publication record; if it applies to '''the work''' and not a specific publication, it should be noted in the title record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Harcourt, Brace & Company ==<br />
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In the 1950s, the publisher was known as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?41100 Harcourt, Brace & Company]. In the 1960s, after it merged with World Publishing, it became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1909 Harcourt, Brace & World]. In the 1970s through 1993, it added the chairman's name and became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?267 Harcourt Brace Jovanovich]. Then it was purchased by another corporation and became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?263 Harcourt Brace]. In 2007, it was purchased by Houghton Mifflin with the new company named [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28152 Houghton Mifflin Harcourt]. I've updated or reverted those Edgar Eager records which don't reflect this chronology. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:51, 16 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Three days ago there was greater variation in database use of "Harcourt, Brace and Company" and "Harcourt Brace". Did you revise other records to fit the ideal timeline? Did you overlook the one verified by Nihonjoe {{p|518183}}?<br />
: Given a policy, or consensus, to use in the database a particular name version for a particular book-issuing entity during a particular timespan, there remains a danger in such rationalizing policy. It depends on validity of the Year field as a book-issuing date --that is, a publication date in the sense of database "publication" records, a printing date. (The Year field isn't isn't rich enough to do what we should aspire to do re information about timing.)<br />
: I agree concerning "Harcourt, Brace" in regard to the Tales of Magic that LC and ISFDB merely use different canonical names with and without "and Company"; no doubt there are other cases where they differ about "& Company", "and Co.", and so on. Regarding "Harcourt, Brace & World", it's much more likely that different uses of the year fields are the crux of the matter. LC Catalog uses two year fields mainly, perhaps others in freeform notes. "Harcourt, Brace & World" with a year prior to 1961 is evidence that the year is a copyright date or edition date rather than a printing date. Same as ISBN with the same year would be. If we take the year for granted as a printing date and standardize the publisher (value of Publisher field) on that basis, such evidence is lost.<br />
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: What is your interpretation of the one 1998 and one 1999 publications by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?231 "Harcourt"] and the two 2000 publications by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?263 "Harcourt Brace"]? Those records are internally anachronistic --the 1998 and 2000 on basis of year alone; the 1999 because it is 1999-01[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?231+1999] where 1999-12 would be plausible. (Part of half of the answer is that the 1998 and 1999 are "date unknown" printings, probably 2000 or later if no catalog errors otherwise.)<br />
: (I'll get back to the Magic series.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:32, 19 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mary Poppins and the House Next Door ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89072 this record] which you converted from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK: one thing to keep in mind when doing such conversions: If you change the NOVEL title reference record during the pub record edit to SHORTFICTION, you have to add a new title reference record for the CHAPBOOK. It can be done in the Contents section of the entry form during the same submission. Otherwise the book's title won't appear on the author's summary page. (The story title will.) I'll add the title record for you. Also, I doubt that the book isn't paginated, even if the OCLC's page count number is bracketed. That could also mean that there were 96 pages but the last page wasn't numbered. That happens a lot in books. We'll leave it as is until another secondary source either confirms or denies the page count. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:40, 25 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: The US edition is paginated. I thought that I would convert NOVEL to CHAPBOOK following the manual [[Help:How to convert a novel to a chapbook#Converting a NOVEL publication to a CHAPBOOK]] where instructions begin with conversion of a publication record, so I started there with first edition --EditPub, not AddPub for copy in hand-- and resorted to online catalogue data for more info. I planned to continue with one instruction or another after seeing the result of EditPub. Unfortunately [a] the instructions are not scrutable (bullet point 3: "If the novel has only one publication on record, this can be done from the same Publication Editor dialog where the other changes are made"; not sure whether I did that back at point 1, hoped to see by viewing the relevant records after approval); [b] this was several hours ago at local public library, so AddPub US ed. must await another visit. <br />
: I wonder whether you converted one of the two illustration prize-winning picture books from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK yesterday, T{{t|170637}} and T{{t|1766654}}. I believe I saw one picture book as NOVEL yesterday, one reason I visited conversion instructions today, ''probably'' one of these two. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
: oops, fix links to Title records "T" and append five words --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Reviewing the three records and the manual, the latter [[Help:How to convert a novel to a chapbook#Converting a NOVEL publication to a CHAPBOOK]] remains inscrutable to me. How does one add a Title record? to a Publication record? Perhaps the second bullet point should be deleted and the third rewritten. ... --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::As I said in my original post, go to the contents section (marked "Regular Titles") and click the "Add Title" link. A set of fields will open. Leave the page number and date fields blank, enter the title, change the type to CHAPBOOK, and enter the author. I'll read the instructions and see if it needs clarification. Some of these help pages were written before the software about CHAPBOOK was fully developed, and may need to be updated. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Is there a simple change to be entered manually after which a script will complete the conversion per [[Bibliographic Projects in Progress]]? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::I know nothing about that. It seems to be far out-of-date. I'm thinking that project was all about manual conversion with the hope that it could later be accomplished with a script. I don't believe that ever happened. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mary Poppins omnibus ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557135 this record], but it would have been better to clone the other record of this title. Now you'll have to import the contents, and then merge the duplicate interior art record. Keep that in mind when adding records typed as COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, CHAPBOOK, and OMNIBUS. Saves both of us when you use the clone function. (I don't advise doing it for NOVEL records.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:16, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Same situation with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557137 this record]. You'll have to import the SHORTFICTION title record, and then merge the INTERIORART record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:18, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Both done. With more data, eg the obvious cover artist confirmed by images on bookseller pages.<br />
: Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:03, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Instead of importing the contents as I suggested, you created new title records. Those will now have to be merged with the existing ones. (Go to Travers summary page and you'll see the duplicate titles.) Ask if you need help on merging title records. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:10, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Ah, you mean Import Content. I overlooked the Export, Import, and Remove screens/tools. <br />
::: I am familiar with merger of Title records that do show up as duplicates for some author. Last month I cut the number of Mary Shepard Mary Poppins INTERIORART titles from 25 to 10. Now I know how other editors created all of those as we are back to 25 again. <br />
::: ... Import done, for import of novels INTERIORART to omnibus (2). I'll get back to the rest later. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:39, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: FYI: You can also import individual titles (instead of all titles within another pub). If you have many though it can be tedious to find all the title record numbers and paste a long list into the tiny form box accepting such. It is painful but it avoids having to merge titles later. This is one area where methinks there is room for code improvement (one should be able to select one or more pubs to import from and just check which titles from such one wishes to import). I am not sure if there is an existing feature request (FR) for such yet or not. [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] 04:19, 28 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Editing a publication record before a previous submission has been moderated ==<br />
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If you make a submission to edit a publication record, you should wait until it has been moderated before making another submission editing the same record. Quite often this can cause a conflict which will negate the edits of the first submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:39, 27 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== <nowiki><br>• </nowiki> ==<br />
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The use of <nowiki><br>• </nowiki> is not a standard method of separating notes in an ISFDB record's Note field. (Although you will find that one particular editor insists on using it, even though it's been brought to his attention.) If you want to bullet each note, please use HTML as explained [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_HTML_in_Note_Fields here]. If that's too complicated, just use the keyboard return to create a new line for each note (they won't be bulleted). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:22, 28 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dell and Yearling ==<br />
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When it was founded, Yearling was a YA imprint of Dell paperbacks. Publications from that period are entered into the database as "Dell Yearling". Later (I don't know exactly when, but it could be researched), Yearling was removed from the Dell paperback division of Random House and became a separate imprint. The title pages then gave the publisher as "A Yearling Book". Those publications are entered into the database as "Yearling". If you find books which give the publisher as Dell, then enter them as "Dell Yearling". If Dell isn't mentioned, enter them only as "Yearling". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:43, 3 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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As of 2016-04-06 the earliest database Year for publisher "Yearling" is 1984.<br />
Indeed we have the following (Dell) Yearling publisher names, with yearspans (beside "date unknown"): Yearling 1984-pres [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?183]<br />
Yearling (UK) 1990-94 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?43577], <br />
Yearling / Yearling Newbery 1996 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?41025], <br />
Yearling Newbery [undated 35th printing of April 1990 Dell] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?10251], <br />
Dell Yearling 1968-2007 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?183]<br />
Dell Yearling Newbery 1996-99 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?379].<br />
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Anomalies from about 3 February in my primary verifications, perhaps to revisit<br />
:1. ''Mary Poppins'', 1991 tp edition, all four novels T{{t|181986}} T{{t|181997}} (both as Yearling) T{{t|29571}} T{{t|181995}} (both as Dell Yearling)<br />
: All four first printing publication records give my Note: <br />
:: (quote) copyright page "Published by Dell Publishing a division of Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing Group, Inc."; Yearling and Dell are two registered trademarks<br />
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:2. ''The Wolves of Willoughby Chase'' T{{t|13699}}, 1987 and perhaps other editions or dated printings (may be a single edition released 1968) [book 2 pv another edition; book 3 not verified]<br />
: (in progress) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:28, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Reliable secondary sources ==<br />
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When creating records from secondary sources, it's important to find the most reliable ones available. In the case of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558116 this record], I would have first looked at [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/12635490 OCLC]. Abebooks data is not very reliable since it's from someone who wants to sell you something, and info from auction sites can disappear overnight without warning. I personally consider OCLC to be the most dependable of all secondary source on the internet for English language publications. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:50, 3 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558117 this record], you could have gotten the page count from the [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/64447512 OCLC record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:53, 3 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: The LC Catalog is a source of extraordinary quality. WorldCat is not, and it's a shame that ISFDB relies on it so heavily.<br />
: Meanwhile the ABEbooks page that I mentioned, as it does provide a cover image, is far more likely to provide an image of the correct book than is worldcat.org. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 04:26, 6 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::No one is saying that the Library of Congress data is unreliable. Nothing I said even implied that. They never entered the discussion, and are not sourced in your record at all. I'm saying Abebooks is unreliable. Why knock WorldCat when in this case it was the most reliable source at hand? Please only use Abebooks as a last resort. And you should never use auction sites as a source. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:18, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Magic Finger'' ==<br />
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There are several problems with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558748 this record], the major one being that it doesn't contain a SHORTFICTION content. Now you'll have to import it. (You also could have cloned another edition which would automatically import the content, like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262017 this one].)<br />
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Another thing: synopses shouldn't be given in a publication note field. That is title specific data, not publication specific.<br />
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Also, you didn't use the correct format for entering the OCLC record number (omitting the colon.) There's also a leading space in the target name that should be removed. You also linked to the browser address and not the Permalink.<br />
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And you used Abebooks.com to source the date, and non-data about the possible format. This is probably the last place to source data. They're trying to sell books, and probably not worrying about recording accurate data for bibliographers.<br />
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Also, based on the OCLC record showing the book to be 20 cm., the pub format/binding is "tp". (All Puffin books from this period were softcover.)<br />
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Please make the corrections when you have time. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:15, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Done. Vaguely I recall that the manual somewhere includes generalizations about page size and binding format. Now I append "20cm (implies tp format)" to citations of OCLC records that support tp format by this inference. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::That's only true for softcover publications, something that OCLC rarely notes. You need a another secondary source to confirm the binding. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:57, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: If "(All Puffin books from this period were softcover.)" it will be useful to note that period at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?179 Publisher: Puffin]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Anyone looking at Puffin's books from the early 70s will see that they're all paperback. It would take further research to determine when they started publishing hardcovers. If that could be confirmed, then a definitive statement could be made. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:57, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to OCLC ==<br />
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Please use the standard format "OCLC: 123456". Also, click on the Permalink for the URL, provided in the upper right corner of the OCLC record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''El Dedo Magico'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71313 This record] had the English language titles. I will remove them and add Spanish language titles, and then variant them to the original titles. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I believe that is a mistake at least for the illustrations. Some time ago I fixed ''Mary Poppins wraca'' P{{p|547654}} to credit the original English-language illustration by Mary Shepard --despite the fact that in that work ''Mary Poppins Comes Back'' many of the illustrations have captions, commonly quotations of description or dialogue from the novel, presumably translated into Polish in their use as captions as well as in the novel.<br />
: See [[User talk:JudgeDeadd#Mary Poppins illustrations]]. As I recall, there were Shepard illustrations of two other Mary Poppins titles in Polish translation, and Barnes illustrations of all seven Narnia novels in Polish translation, all entered as English-language illustrations of the Polish editions of those works. All entered by the same user, as I understood the record; thus I conformed our treatment of ''Mary Poppins wraca'' illustrations to the other 9? books.<br />
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I also removed the price in US dollars which was there before you edited the record. An obvious error. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:34, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Per the linked WorldCat record, the publisher is based in Madrid, so the US dollar price is probably a mistake. Not an obvious error, as many Spanish-language editions are priced in US dollars. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:19, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Here is our record P{{p|547918}} for Polish-language omnibus edition of Narnia 1-3 as verified (and presumably entered) by [[User:JudgeDeadd]], who does not say whether it includes English or Polish captions or none. <br />
:: (By the way I doubt the COVERART credit to Maria Izryk for "original work (presumably by Maria Irzyk), although clearly traced from Baynes's covers for the 1959 edition of ''The Lion...'' and the 1962 edition of ''Prince Caspian''). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Even though art doesn't have a "language", and even if the exact same illustration is used in different translations of the work, each work of art should be titled for the work they illustrate. Any interior art records which don't match the titles of the work they illustrate should be corrected when found. (They must have sneaked through, undetected by the moderator.) This would mean the content record would have to be removed from the publication record, and a new content would have to be created. Then, the translated title record should be varianted to the original title record. See how I varianted the <small>[Pat Marriott --Pwendt]</small> interior art record for ''El Dedo Magico''. Thanks. <br />
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:::: OK. I credited also 1995 Spanish-language Tony Ross INTERIORART for El Dedo Magico, now submitted as variant of his 1989 illustrations T{{t|925716}}. <br />
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== Viking ed. of ''The Magic Finger'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558764 this record]: I added the colon after "LCCN", and removed the HTML line breaks. Several years ago they were necessary, and you'll find thousands of records still have them. After a software change a few years ago, they are no longer necessary; a simple keyboard return will display a new line. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:25, 12 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I did the same thing as above for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558765 this record], and corrected the OCLC link to the Permalink. Please get into a habit of using the Permalink instead of the URL in your browser's address window. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:27, 12 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Price field ==<br />
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When entering a price in US dollars, be sure to add the cents. I changed the price of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558870 this publication] from "$2" to "$2.00". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:06, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''My Father's Dragon'' ==<br />
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What is your source for the interior art credit for the 1948 Random House edition? I particularly wonder why the illustrations are differently credited from the story, if they're by the same person. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:21, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Again, you didn't enter the price field correctly in the submission I'm holding for this edition. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:22, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Further research has shown that the books were illustrated by Ruth Chrisman Gannett, her stepmother. So a pseudonym and variant should not be created. I'll accept the submission and correct the price field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:24, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I understand now what the note meant. You were referring to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?178751 this artist], not the author of the story. I'll make the pseudonym/variant. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:27, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes, Ruth Adelaide Chrisman later Gannett seems to have illustrated mainly as Ruth Gannett --eg, ''Tortilla Flat'' by John Steinbeck ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortilla_Flat at Wikipedia])-- but also seems to be Ruth Chrisman Gannett as of first collaboration with her step-daughter, per the [http://www.gutenberg.org/files/30017/30017-h/30017-h.htm Project Gutenberg HTML edition/release of the first edition] and i doubt that many others of her (mainly earlier) works belong in this database.<br />
: I did not link the Project Gutenberg, nor add its cover image [http://www.gutenberg.org/files/30017/30017-h/images/cover.jpg] of course, because I don't recall seeing other examples of that here and I don't know that ISFDB makes use of the Gutenberg release (lead sentence of HTML ed.: "This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no cost and with almost no restrictions whatsoever." ) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:51, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Click on the image link gave here and you can see why we need permission to deep link to images hosted by other servers. You can link the book's title record to the Project Gutenberg page, entering its URL in the title's webpage field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:03, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Three Tales...'' ==<br />
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I changed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558879 this publication] from OMNIBUS to COLLECTION, since it doesn't include a previously published NOVEL, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, NONFICTION, etc. A publication of SHORTFICTION-typed works is considered a COLLECTION.<br />
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I also went ahead and imported the contents, and disambiguated the generically titled author's note. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:25, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Does a collection of a works in a shortfiction series not carry numerals as "C/1-3"? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:32, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::No. The software only displays the story length field when the record is typed as OMNIBUS. That's because it's uncommon for collections to contain only series of short fiction works. Also, most short fiction in a series isn't numbered. You can post a message on the Community Portal for a feature request for cases like this publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:41, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Illustrator for ''Wonders, Inc'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?213429 this publication]: Both of your sources give the artist name as "John Larrecq". Note the way each source provides the stated credit, and not the canonical credit. You shouldn't use the related names field of the LCCN record, or the author field of the OCLC record. OCLC gives the stated credit in the responsibility field. I've corrected it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:45, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I also changed it from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK with a SHORTFICTION content record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:48, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: (edit conflict) Thanks.<br />
: How frequently is there a "Responsibility" field at WorldCat, where there are some John M. L. records like [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/429560318 OCLC 429560318]. <br />
: He is John M. Larrecq canonically at LCCN (and others [https://viaf.org/viaf/65249917]) but I don't know that other works (incl several picture books from Parnassus Press) will ever be in the database (chiefly stories about anthropomorphic animals, i scanned this hour). So I have simply linked LCCN John M. Larrecq for now.<br />
: I merely stumbled upon him in course of correcting one Publisher:Parnasus => Parnassus Press; the former should now drop out of the Publisher directory. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:03, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I have no way of knowing exactly how frequently there's a responsibility field in an OCLC record. I can only estimate that 95% or more of the records created in the past 50 years do have it. That field wasn't always part of the database, and records from the early decades of the 20th century probably didn't have them. Some have been updated from primary data. Others may not. As for whether Larrecq's canonical name includes the middle initial, we can't establish that at the ISFDB until there's a publication which actually credits it that way. OCLC quite frequently gives the middle initial or full names in the author field of their records to distinguish similarly named authors. That's why the author field of OCLC records shouldn't be the only source used to record author credit in ISFDB records. Looking at [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/906040559 this record] for example, it appears that Larrecq did not use the middle initial in his published works. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:14, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: On the other hand [https://lccn.loc.gov/66009502] but as I said above, I don't know that other works by Larrecq belong in the database. [[Author:John Larrecq]].<br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:41, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::So I repeat, we won't be able to determine the canonical name until or if there are other works by him in the database. We would still have to follow the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition Rules of Acquisition] in determining that. <br />
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::::I think I may have misled you a bit about the term "canonical" when I was referring to the way LoC and WorldCat assign authorship. Their purpose is to distinguish human beings, not to distinguish publication credits, which is the goal of the ISFDB when we use the term. So I'm unsure whether the use of "canonical" in the bibliographic wiki page could confuse some users, especially those who know the ISFDB's use of "canonical". Also, if you look at some of the OCLC records for those showing "John M. Larrecg" as the author, you'll see that many of them credit "John Larrecq" as the responsible party. And that's what's important as far as the ISFDB is concerned. So perhaps the bibliographic notes need to be clarified about the name. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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P.S. I don't know how to convert NOVEL to CHAPBOOK/SHORTFICTION deftly. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:41, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:It's in the help documentation, but it's getting late. I'll try to remember tomorrow to give you a step-by-step guide to conversion. (In this case, conversion wouldn't have been necessary if the publication had been entered correctly from the start. Knowing a book has only 39 pages is a rather unmistakable clue that the book isn't a novel.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to primary verified records ==<br />
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I accepted the submission changing the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254379 this record] before realizing it was primary verified. It is imperative that you '''first''' discuss such changes with the PV editor before making a submission which changes any field other than the Note field. <br />
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Another concern: you changed the publication date to "1975-02-00" when your note said it was published on "1975-02-18". Why not go all the way? If the publication doesn't have a publication date stated in the book itself, an editor can use a reliable secondary source for that date. So you leave a note on the talk page of the PV editor: "Is there a day of publication stated in this publication? If not, I've found a reliable source, [Kirkus Reviews, Amazon, publisher's website, etc.], that gives the publication date as [fill in the blank]." Allow the PV editor to make the decision about changing the record. If there is a stated publication date, such as "First Edition: February 1975", then the PV editor should give "1975-02" in the publication date field, but note the exact date as given by the reliable secondary source. If there is no stated publication date in the book, then the PV editor has the option to use the reliable secondary source to give the exact day of publication in the record's date field. But this should be done by the PV editor, unless they have a notification preference at the top of their talk page saying "Anyone can edit my verified records." or something similar. If the PV editor is inactive, there should be a notice at the top of their talk page that directs any questions to the Moderator Noticeboard. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:55, 18 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: I summarized for the verifier at [[User talk:Don Erikson#Z for Zachariah]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:26, 18 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258217 this case], it's OK to give the full date of publication in the date field, because the record has yet to be primary verified. I'd also question your statement that all data is confirmed by the LCCN record, which doesn't give the publication date you've added to the record. That statement would have to be tweaked. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:33, 18 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Hitty, Her First Hundred Years'' ==<br />
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I could find nothing showing that this is a work of speculative fiction. If the doll is simply the narrator, and with no interaction with the real world, as most reviews I've read of it seem to indicate, then it can't be considered fantasy. Or am I misinterpreting the synopses that I've found on the Internet? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:49, 21 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2956209]<br />
: Yes, but i'll begin by reading further myself, not today. I know only the first four pages, up to the line I quoted --just before local public library closure this afternoon-- and the Google Books ed. breaks after page 4. Wikipedia says "magical ash-wood" but that isn't in the opening text, only reference to the traditional powers of ash.<br />
: I think you mean interaction with the world beyond that of quill pen on paper and turning the pages. I had wondered just what I would say beyond "Borderline spec-fic" if I did say that in synopsis as some others do. <br />
: How long is matter "held" in queue? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:52, 22 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::As long as necessary to resolve the issue. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:08, 22 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Have you been able to determine this work's eligibility? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 08:07, 4 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I can describe the wooden doll's actions: [a] take up quill pen to begin memoirs; use up paper (by implication use pen, ink, blotting paper); [b] raise and lower both legs together when left under a pew in church, "Clump! clump! clump!"; [c] work up and out of a crow's nest and get both legs over the edge, then to be knocked out by the baby birds. She does not communicate with the crows, wild monkeys, pet cobra, pet cat --nor with modern dolls if i recall correctly. The simplicity of her construction is clear; her inability to bend except at the one hip and one shoulder joint is recurrently crucial to the plot. That she can handle a pen or "work her way" without benefit of other joints is not explained.<br />
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So it is spec-fic strictly but I can't say whether it is clearly eligible nor whether it should be in the database. I have not read any discussions of scope. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:06, 4 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:It wouldn't be spec-fic unless she actually interacts with or becomes an active participant in the story she's telling. There are many stories told from the point of view of animals or inanimate objects, with the sole purpose of being a silent observer. Unless the story itself or the actions being narrated has fantastic elements (without regard to how the story is being told), I personally don't believe it would qualify as eligible. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Definitions Here] are the definitions, the rules of acquisition, and the scope of the ISFDB. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Unless you have some definitive evidence that the work qualifies under the rules of acquisition, I will have to reject the submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:29, 15 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Substantially I can only repeat myself. ''Hitty'' is spec-fic strictly, for the wooden doll interacts with her environment as I described above [a][b][c]. --beyond thinking and four of five human senses, all but taste.<br />
::: For what it's worth, I consider that a flaw in the work. It doesn't add anything to the story, in my opinion, to make the doll more than the externally passive observer you say is common. In the same way, I consider it a flaw that ''Alice'' is not spec-fic, strictly, because the brief final chapter portrays Wonderland as a dreamland only. It doesn't add anything to the story, in my opinion, to undercut the fantasy.<br />
::: You moderators need to make judgments about scope at the borders. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:56, 17 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Day the World Ended'' ==<br />
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Please specify the source of the month of publication in the Note field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399313 this record]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 05:37, 23 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Done a couple hours ago along, with AddPub three other 1930 dollar novels from Doubleday Doran. See also and better, [[User talk:Mhhutchins#Doubleday]], numbered point 2 <u>dollar novels</u>. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:11, 25 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Book of Trolls'' ==<br />
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What is your source for editing the author credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?475528 this record]? Both LCCN and OCLC give the current author credit. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:20, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: That's right. As stated in the Note to Moderator: "undo [my own] today's introduction of variant name in preparation for global change to Edgar Parin d'Aulaire --now in database for the one work only" with more detail<br />
: The Author name cannot be corrected because 'Edgar Parin d'Aulaire' is already in the database here. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:34, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll accept it now that you've explained the note, but the correction could have been done with one submission since all of the titles appear in the same publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:41, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: But I didn't know several hours ago, when I added all the other data for both the man [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2959820] and the Publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2959783], that I should have submitted a global personal name change first, before the correct name appeared in the database.<br />
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::: 1. You say "all of the titles appear in the same publication" which suggests that such a change could have been effected at once for all records of this work (CHAPBOOK, SHORTFICTION, INTERIORART, COVERART titles), if a global change in the personal name were not desired. How is that?<br />
::: 2. Probably this work was first published as ''D'Aulaire's Trolls''? (altho Uniform title is Trolls, which may indicate earlier issue in some European language). Anyway, let's consider the first US edition, [https://lccn.loc.gov/76158897 LCCN 76-158897], OCLC [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/86079902 86079902] and [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/410432 410432]. What would be the best way to get all of the CHAPBOOK, SHORTFICTION, INTERIORART, COVERART titles into the database as ''D'Aulaire's Trolls''? --where is best to start? --and finally must all be entered anew and then all four ''D'Aulaire's Book of Trolls'' titles separately be made variants? <br />
::: Good night, now overdue for me :-( [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:18, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::1. As I said, your "Note to Moderator" wasn't clear enough that I understand what your intentions were about changing the author credit of a publication which didn't match those given in the noted sources. Once you made that intention clear, I accepted the submission. At this point, whether the changes could have been made in one submission is moot. As it was, you could have changed the author credit of the publication, the shortfiction content, cover art, and interior art, in a single submission. Changing the chapbook credit would have taken a second submission. (You saw that it was "yellowed-out" which means you can't edit it during a publication record edit.) In either case, it took two submissions to make the corrections.<br />
::::2. Add publication records based on the title and credit given in your reliable sources without any concern for how it is titled and credited now. Once the records are in the database, we can determine a) the canonical title, and b) the canonical author credit. Variants and/or pseudonyms will be determined then. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:36, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Children of Lir'' ==<br />
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I changed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?560803 this record] from a NOVEL to a CHAPBOOK with a SHORTFICTION content, since it appears to be less-than-novel length. If you've determined that it is more than 40,000 words, let me know and I'll reverse the change. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: No, this is fine. Thanks. I am reading this one and I will assess as novelette or whatever length. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:09, 29 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: A novella, ~20,000 words. And so entered. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:49, 1 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== pb or tp ==<br />
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Re the update you made to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303688 this record]: Where did the "5.1 inches" come from? The UK doesn't use inches. According to [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/782024148 OCLC], the book is 20 cm. which makes it a trade paperback. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:56, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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OK. I see you got that dimension from Amazon.com (not Amazon.co.uk, which was your stated source). The width is 5.1 inches, the depth is 0.3 inches, and the height is 7.8 inches, making it clearly a trade paperback. I'll correct the record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:01, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Making a pseudonym / creating a variant ==<br />
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Re {{A|Katie May}}: When you make an author into a pseudonym, you must follow-through by varianting each of the titles credited to that author into variants of titles credited to the canonical author. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Before you do that, what is your source that Katie May is the same person as {{A|Katie May Green}}? (This should have been asked before the moderator accepted the submission creating the pseudonym.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:18, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Probably the moderator read the Notes that I submitted at the same times [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971249 14:12] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971277 14:31] (approval times, i suppose).<br />
: I entered the titles as chapbooks where the first eds., British, had been entered as novels. Then observed to the moderator [[User talk:Rtrace#Magic Ballerina chapbooks]] that I think I must fix the CHAPBOOK issue before returning to the variant issue.<br />
: During the last hour alone moderators Rtrace, Hauck, and Mhhutchins have approved in succession and all may be inscrutable to anyone.<br />
: I suppose you converted multiple publications of the one title (#2 the Magic Spell) but not the other (#1 the Magic Ballet Shoes) --or that multiple moderators responded differently-- because my experience was different for the two titles. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:36, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Perhaps you've misread my post or have confused it with another post. I was talking about the variant/pseudonym situation, not the conversion situation. These are entirely separate matters. Please re-read my post and respond. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:08, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Please read the linked material. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:12, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'll ask the same question again: "What is your source that Katie May is the same person as Katie May Green?" That isn't answered in the post on Ron's page. If you have a confirmed source that they are the same person, you should have made the variants immediately upon making that determination. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:19, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I presumed that you would be able to read the two Notes that I cited, which the approving moderator [[User:Hauck]] probably read at the time, 2016-03-06 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971249 14:12] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971277 14:31] per the log "My Recent Edits".<br />
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For now I have unlinked May and May Green in the database, but see the wiki [[Author:Katie May Green]]; cf [[Author:Katie May]]. Perhaps there can be a software solution for generating numerous variant titles. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:07, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm flummoxed. Now that you've confirmed (based on the wiki page you created) that they're the same person, why do you want to remove the pseudonym relationship that you'd previously established? <br />
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:And there is a software solution for generating variant titles. Unfortunately, a human has to initiate it manually, then the software takes over. We don't want software that will automatically create variants because sometimes pseudonyms are shared by different authors, e.g. {{A|Daisy Meadows}}. <br />
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:I'm going to reject your submission to remove the pseudonym and then create variants for the "Katie May" titles. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:16, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Converting NOVEL to CHAPBOOK ==<br />
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When changing the type in the metadata section from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK, you should add a CHAPBOOK content record at the same time, saving an additional submission, and avoiding a publication record which doesn't have a title reference link. For example, check out [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?468166 this record] which no longer links to its title record...or any title for that matter. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:24, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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For future reference, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_convert_a_novel_to_a_chapbook#Converting_a_NOVEL_publication_to_a_CHAPBOOK here] are the instructions to convert a NOVEL to a CHAPBOOK. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:26, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought that I would Import the one CHAPBOOK title record into successive publications of that title, rather than create a new CHAPBOOK title record for every publication.<br />
: Perhaps Rtrace (signs Ron) has experienced what he considers too many editors who don't bother to merge near-replicate titles? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:44, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Importing the CHAPBOOK record works if you're a moderator and can do your own approvals. When a non-moderator submits and has to wait, it leaves publication records without title references, and increases the chances that the conversion may not be completed. (Sometimes life interferes during the wait.) As suggested in the help page I linked here, you should change the type and add a CHAPBOOK content record in the same submission. You don't save submissions by importing the CHAPBOOK record. In fact, that increases the number of submissions required to get a publication record completely converted. It only takes a single submission to merge the duplicate CHAPBOOK records, and not doing so isn't as fatal as a publication record without a title reference record. So please follow the instructions provided. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Thanks. I left a note for Stonecreek (one approving moderator, whom I referred to Rtrace yesterday).<br />
::: Sorry about the prev and next sections. I am out of time now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:26, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Those records that don't have a title reference are still waiting to be repaired. This proves my point that a CHAPBOOK content record should be added during the same submission that changes the publication type. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:11, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Done some. (generally without adding the original illustrations at the same time)<br />
::::: Do you find such anomalies automatically and currently? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:15, 9 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::No. It's not automatic. There is also a nightly clean-up report which finds publications with this error. Then a moderator has to fix it manually. BTW, I'm not sure how it happened, but now [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?468166 this] has '''two''' title references. I let you see it before I repair it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:39, 9 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I see how it happened. You made two successive submissions that added a CHAPBOOK content title, and the same moderator accepted both submissions without question. Even moderators are human. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:42, 9 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: I submitted one Remove Title.<br />
::::::: I found that lot in reference to my Recent Edits log from a couple days ago, evidently too hastily, as that log includes replications of course. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:00, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Submission to remove accepted. I went ahead and merged the two duplicate CHAPBOOK titles created by the duplicate submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:50, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] Do you plan on converting the other Magic Ballerina publications to CHAPBOOKs? If not, I'll try to find time to do it. (I actually hate wasting so much of my limited time on this juvenalia.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:53, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I plan to convert only one more -- #4, for which Amazon shows a back cover and thereby identifies cover artist Katie May. On my amateur view, this suggests all six in the first lot, at least, were illustrated cover and interior by the same person, but I don't plan to do more than say so in a series note.<br />
: If my local public library owned even one of them, I would augment that record greatly and verify it. But no, and I will not recommend the purchase of one. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:28, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: This one [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0007286171 at Amazon].<br />
:: By the way, from a sample of one I judge that they are novelettes at ~125 words per unillustrated page, probably about 10000 words each. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Done Magic Ballerina #4 T{{t|1063662}} including the variant first U.S. title. I specified length "novelette" in one publication record only, may need to end session before seeing the effect (not to mention complete variant/import of the artworks). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:21, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: Done. T{{t|1063662}}<br />
:::: Initially, evidently, I assigned Storylen novelette to one new CHAPBOOK title rather than to the new shortfiction in one of its publications, so I don't know whether the latter would propagate. Later I updated the SHORTFICTION title to Storylen novelette. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:53, 11 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas in Enchantia'' ==<br />
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Re your update to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303696 this record]: If a reliable secondary source (like OCLC) gives a page count which contradicts Amazon's count, odds are pretty good that it's the correct count. Amazon's page count comes from the total number of pages in a book, based on publisher data, and it is usually in multiples of 4 (because that's how most books are published.) We use the same page counting method as OCLC. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:09, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Tail of Emily Windsnap'' ==<br />
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The LCCN given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?65785 this publication] should be "2003065284", not "203-65284". The number you gave is missing a zero, and the LoC removed the dash at the start of this century. The last six digits must also have leading zeros to complete it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:53, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?523577 this record], the Canadian price should be given in the format "C$" instead of "$C". Think "'''C'''anadian Dollar'''$'''" for the right sequence. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: done; done; immediately preceding section too --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:08, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Man They Couldn't Arrest'' ==<br />
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Re the notes in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310745 this publication]: The OCLC record to which you link doesn't give the publication date as 1925. It provides the copyright date. The book must be undated, because the other OCLC record linked in the notes gives it as "[c1927]" meaning circa 1927. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:47, 11 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Merrimeg'' ==<br />
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Re the update to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1980903 this title]: Its type now mismatches the publication under it. You could have made one submission updating the publication record's type and its title reference. Please update the publication record when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:23, 11 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of Odin'' ==<br />
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The first note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?564977 this record] needs clarification, as it appears to suggest that the author's name is given differently and not the illustrator. That should be part of a note about the actual illustrator credit. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:57, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Attempted and I hope done minutes ago ... [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2994242] as approved by Rtrace --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:37, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I changed the publisher credit to "The Macmillan Company" which was the US publisher's name in the first half of the 20th century. (That's also what is given on the title page.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:33, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Regarding 'The Macmillan Company' reportedly succeeded by Macm Publ Co aka Macm Inc, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?85 Publisher:Macmillan] says this is a catch-all; "There is currently no attempt to separate these into two publishers." --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes that could be confusing, especially since there is an attempt to separate "The Macmillan Company" for the early 20th century. (Search for it.) Perhaps it's saying that there is no attempt to separate "Macmillan Publishing Company" and "Macmillan, Inc." into two different publishers. They both should be entered as "Macmillan". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:56, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Earlier today I entered three [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?5188 Publication Series: Macmillan Children's Classics] from "Macmillan". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Check their title pages. During this time period, US publications should be "The Macmillan Company". UK publications should be "Macmillan and Co.". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:56, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::I've made the changes based on secondary sources, and have updated the note on the publisher page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?85 Macmillan]. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:06, 31 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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(edit conflict) (i simply dump it and run as i am expected at about 00:00)<br />
: Another day I might check HathiTrust for digital copies (which WorldCat or some WorldCat libraries evidently catalog/ue as ebooks, by the way). <br />
: Macmillan is well-established in the database; seems to be established just as "Doubleday, Doran" for DOUBLEDAY, DORAN AND COMPANY, INC. ([[User talk:Mhhutchins#The Autocracy of Mr. Parham]]) and perhaps alternatives of intermediate length. <br />
: For now it's late enough for me to pursue a TV basketball game. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:19, 31 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Page counts on Amazon ==<br />
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Re the note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?376784 this record]: There's no need to record the page count provided by Amazon when you have a reliable secondary source (or the book in hand.) They use the publisher's method of counting ''all'' the pages in a book, unlike the method we use. Giving the Amazon data when it's wrong (or anyone's for that matter) would only confuse the user. WorldCat uses approximately the same method as the ISFDB, so it's a pretty reliable source for page counts. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:55, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:#Before I return to that record let me follow-up at one or two removes. This publication record is "Not Verified" with respect to any source. Previously it contained a single Note, "Data from Amazon.com as of 2012-02-13" (and the auto-generated "Cover art supplied by Amazon.com" presumably derived from the Image URL value). Thus Amazon appears to have been the only source; it is the only source if previous editors have done their jobs well.<br />
:#Would that also be true if the record were Verified w/r one or more secondary Reference such as Locus1? Or does it go without sayin' --without a Note-- that some of the data may be from any one of the "Verified" secondary References?<br />
: If it isn't clear what I have in mind, say so simply and I will expound another day. Good night, too late for me --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:36, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::# When a record states "Data from Amazon.com" that means it has been verified against Amazon's data. That doesn't mean it's correct. That means it matches the data given by Amazon. That would be the same for any secondary source. I'm not sure what you mean by "previous editors have done their jobs well." If the note in a publication record states "Data from Amazon.com as of 2012-02-13", there's a 99% chance that the editor was this clever fellow named [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]. He does a great job creating publication records from the multi-billion bytes of data on Amazon, but I'm not sure if I'd invite him to a party. :)<br />
::# Yes. Those records that are marked as verified using data from [[Reference:Verification_Sources|secondary sources]] means the same thing as the Note about Amazon being the source. When there are multiple secondary verifications marked, it would be nice if an editor would indicate exactly which data comes from which source. Some of us do, but nothing requires that we do so. I've found it's a good habit to get into when verifying from multiple sources. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:44, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Farrar & Rinehart ==<br />
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I've deleted the wiki page for this publisher and moved the data to the database page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?17605 this publisher]. Keep this in mind when adding publisher data to the database. Wiki pages for data are being phased out. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:30, 9 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: What about a more complex page such as [[Publisher:Rinehart]], which has an image and two footnotes?</font> --of which the image and one note is the sort of material that "should" be kept somewhere. Does the database have features other than text and HTML markup behind a {BREAK}? Does the medium-term plan for Wiki pages cover some of the Rinehart elements? <br />
: What is the medium-term prospect for Author and Bio pages? ...<br />
: ... (much later) OK, I found and read three sections at ISFDB:Community Portal, currently #81-83 of which the first is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Wiki-to-Database_migration:_Publication_and_Publication_Talk_pages 81 Wiki-to-Database migration: Publication and Publication Talk pages]. I don't see the practical import. <font color=green>I think maybe "keep in mind" means you hope I will do the migration myself for a substantial Wiki page that is so simple as the former [[Publisher:Farrar & Rinehart]]? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:58, 9 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::No. By "keep in mind", I mean don't add data to any wiki pages when it can be easily added to the database proper. The questions you've asked should be part of the discussion on the Community Portal. This migration hasn't been fully discussed, and I'm as much in the dark as everyone else about it. About those images, I have no idea how they're going to be handled. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:29, 9 April 2016 (UTC)</font><br />
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== Verification Sources - What are they? What do they mean? Where can I find them? ==<br />
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Re the question you posted on Chris's talk page just now about the ISFDB list of Verification Sources: I direct you to the answer I supplied to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Pwendt#Page_counts_on_Amazon this post]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:04, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: That is no answer. The table in ISFDB Wiki provides no key to use of the sources themselves, nor any remarks about precedence they should take in use for editing the ISFDB database. (As for Amazon, not one of the sources, you have written that other sources take precedence; further, that to provide discordant Amazon data is discouraged.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:50, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I answered the direct question below. The purpose of this post was to point you back to a previous one in which I provided you with a link to a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Reference:Verification_Sources page] which explains each of the sources which are listed on the "Verification Status" table of each publication record. Clicking on each of them (under the "Reference" column) gives a pretty thorough explanation, except for Locus1, which is the only online source, so we felt it only necessary to link to that website. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I followed the linkname "Locus1" that we display on publication pages (not in the ISFDB Wiki table) and poked around that website for a while. There is no key at the head or foot of the index ("The Locus Index to Science Fiction: 1984-1998") nor is any such thing evident in the site index ("The Locus Index to Science Fiction: Site Directory") that we target as "Locus1" on publication pages. <br />
: So I asked Chris J about the key, and the dating convention in particular.<br />
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In Locus1 listings, the first date is the book's date of publication as supplied by the publisher; the date in brackets is the date a copy of the book was received in the Locus offices. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:08, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. That is what I asked Chris J in particular.<br />
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By "key" do you mean the [http://www.locusmag.com/index/abbrev.htm list of abbreviations] used in the Locus database? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:09, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: No, I scanned that as I poked around three hours ago. It covers only abbreviations, no other conventions. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:50, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I guess William Contento, who managed the Locus database, didn't believe a key was necessary. Other than the bracketed date, everything else in a Locus listing is self-explanatory. What are the conventions you were needing to know about Locus1? I've been there thousands of time, so I could probably answer most of them. 03:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: --Mhhutchins<br />
::: On my first visit, none but the dual dates. If something comes up later, I'll ask you. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:23, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Missing price on The Minnipins ==<br />
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You have a £ symbol but no price listed for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567580 recently added pub for The Minnipins]. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 22:53, 20 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I "learned" the blank currency symbol to indicate the US/UK nationality of the publication (granted we may actually need a value such as 2s/6d) from ''NightBirds on Nantucket'' T{{t|13704}} which displays its systematic use evidently by [[User:Bluesman]].<br />
: I sometimes use it, after consultation at [[User talk:Mhhutchins#Price £ or $]], but I don't often remember and don't always have the pound symbol at hand, so I don't use it much. Nor did I take the suggestion to raise the convention for discussion by the community. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:22, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::If you have an American keyboard, you can use the ALT code for the British pound symbol: ALT+0163 (hold down the ALT key and enter "0163" in the number pad.) For other ALT codes go [http://www.alt-codes.net/ here]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]]<br />
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:::Ah... I had not seen that convention before. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:00, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Poppyseed Cakes'' publisher ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your {{P|567826|Poppyseed Cakes}} submission, but in the notes you mention it says "A Borzoi Book". If Borzoi is on the title page, I think you should instead record the publisher as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1305 Borzoi / Alfred A. Knopf] to capture the imprint, especially since we already have an imprint / publisher entry. I'm guessing we are not very consistent about capturing the Borzoi (given the few publications), but I did not find any discussion suggesting we should NOT capture it. See what you think. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:13, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: [http://www.amazon.com/Poppy-Everymans-Library-Childrens-Classics/dp/0375712321 Here] is the "Look Inside!" which does show the title page with no mention of Borzoi <br />
: title page bottom: Everyman's Library Children's Classics // <br />
:: Alfred A. Knopf New York London Toronto<br />
: copyright page top: This is a Borzoi Book //<br />
:: Published by Alfred A. Knopf<br />
: In the bullet list I mean initial dashes to indicate second-level items, three sub-points to "copyright page". Now submitted[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3015346] I insert add a first list item "Title page" and add a colon to "Copyright page:". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:21, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Placing publication data in a title record ==<br />
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This is not usually done. We try to separate the work (the title record) from any publication of the work (the publication record). Why not just create publication records for these Kennedy chapbooks? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:00, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Regarding the latter, maybe I should have done so, or saved more work in progress at [[Author:Marcia Sewall]] which I also had open as I gradually closed down. I did want to provide sources for fixing the shortfiction title dates.<br />
* Is there any way to create at once a new CHAPBOOK from a SHORTFICTION Title record; that is, to create a new container for that work? [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::There is not a way to add a publication to a contained title (SHORTFICTION, ESSAY, INTERIORART), only a container title (NOVEL, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, etc.) using the "Add New ..." function. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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* How to you suggest that a library catalog/ue Summary be noted in container title record? Eg, "Visiting with the caretaker of an empty old mansion, orphaned Jessamy emerges from the nursery closet into the world of 1914 when her namesake lived in the same house and left her adventures and a mystery to be solved again in the present. --Summary from one library catalogue record" without any link?<br />
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::You don't have to provide a link, just give the source. If the link is permanent, just use simple HTML to create a link. Don't link to an outside webpage if you're not certain that it's permanent. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: In user space I have now assembled much data on these story publications. I'll think about how to create database records efficiently.<br />
: P.S. I don't know whether we try to write in the database, as at Wikipedia, "catalog" or "catalogue" depending on whether or not some entity is USAmerican. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Both spellings are acceptable in the ISFDB. Any English reader should be able to understand both. Don't waste time trying to determine if the source is American English or British English (or any other form of English). Use the spelling you're more comfortable with. (I'm puzzled why so many Wikipedia editors use "whilst" instead of "while" as a conjunction. To my American ears, the former sounds so pretentious. But as for differences in spellings, I can look at "flavour", "centre", and "realise" all day long without blinking an eye.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Acknowledged, thanks. I must run now, after completing [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard#Richard Kennedy]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:04, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Bedknob and Brookstick(s)'' ==<br />
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I have no idea what you're doing with these latest submission (adding a new title reference to a record that already has one.) But I've accepted them with the expectation that you'll clean them up (they're in pretty bad shape right now.) Perhaps it would have been better to just delete them and start from scratch. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:56, 30 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Probably that would have been better. (I'll check back within 24 hours) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:15, 1 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Removing a double-credit ==<br />
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When you end up with an author/artist credited twice, removing just one of them does not work. The software is not smart enough: It finds that each name is still associated with the record and keeps each one. To remove a double-credit, you need to remove all of them, then put one back after the removal is accepted. I did that for you. I hope {{T|1995888|this}} is what you wanted. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:09, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:The recent change in software allows an editor to also edit each COVERART record individually. So you can edit one record to give both artist credits, and then use the remove function to get rid of the other one. You also have to remember to delete the record you removed, since it will stay in the database, regardless of whether it is associated with a publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:42, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: thanks --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:52, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Pippi Longstocking ==<br />
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Hello, please remember to merge the NOVEL titles created when you add an OMNIBUS. I've done this for you by supposing that the translators stayed the same. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:54, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi. Can you direct me to instructions or discussion concerning multiple published translations into one language?<br />
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: I do maintain notes on things to do "later", as in Notes to Moderator for two omnibus editions of Pippi yesterday [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3032589] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3032610].<br />
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: I do not know the treatment of multiple translations. I see that it may be very complex {{t|7388|Title: Voyage au centre de la Terre}}. '''For the Pippi Longstocking novel(la)s, where we now have multiple translations merged as one Title, I do have some notes on translations in user space.'''<br />
:::::: Tiina Nunnally 2007 (see below) is the only third translation of the novels in my user space notes. Evidently she also translated some Pippi picture books; maybe some first English editions ...<br />
: The two Pippi omnibus editions do not contain original translations but they do contain different translations --1950s US translations in the Viking omnibus and 1950s UK translations in the Oxford omnibus. We now have distinct Title records for the two early English translations only for book 2, ''Pippi Långstrump går ombord'', and only because its was published under two different English titles, US ''on Board'' T{{t|1998501}} and UK ''Aboard'' T{{t|1462189}}.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:46, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: I submitted improvements to the two OMNIBUS Title records only, said in Note to Moderator "in progress; novel Titles 1 and 3 may need un-merge; User talk:Pwendt#Pippi Longstocking (w moderator Hauck)"<br />
:: Translators are now identified primarily in the 1950s novel publication records. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::For multiple translations, the rule is that there is one translated title record for each translator (that why we're putting the translator at title level, it avoid undue merging), see for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?63598 this short story] that has three different translations in french and so 3 different title records. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:19, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Update done, for the two OMNIBUS Title records and four NOVEL Title records. What is the best way to unmerge the two Viking publications of Pippi in the South Seas, for instance. Begin at the first publication P{{p|568496}} and remove the container NOVEL [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/rmtitles.cgi?568496]? Or manually copy all to a New Novel? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:03, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::No, first go to title level ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1462190 here]), then select the "Unmerge Titles" tool (on the right side), choose the two "Viking" titles, submit and then you'll see that the unmerge function is bugged when there's an OMNIBUS present! (I've already alerted to this specific problem but to not avail) Without such a bug (e.g. with only novels to unmerge, you'll just have to "re-merge" the correct newly created titles and re-variant them). I've done this for you (or so I hope), result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1462193 here]). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:19, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Thanks, H. For the first novel there is a third translation, apparently also commissioned by Oxford. Some data at Amazon are corrupt. <br />
Note to self: Amazon provides Look Inside 978-0-19-278241-0 (paper) --with 2007 transl. by Tiina Nunnally-- for some other editions, at least once without notice. <s>We may have incorrect data (incl cover image?) for 2011 US Viking p{{p|530058}}, 2012 UK Oxford {{p|481286}}</s> '''those records confirmed, expanded -Pwendt'''<br />
:::::: Now I will *add* 978-0-19-278241-0 to the database and then maybe quit Pippi for today. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I've worked a bit on it and created three different and separate translations. Still missing are the translators of the two omnibuses. If you add them, I can do the (bugged) unmerging. See you tomorrow! [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:16, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::::: Our records for the two omnibus editions are correct; I switched one of the contained translations, which required several steps because of the bug you noted. I added links to LCCN and OCLC records but Amazon including its Look Inside! is the source of almost all data. <br />
:::::::: After confirming/correcting our records for the three publications immediately above, all single novels, it was easy to unmerge and merge them, two steps. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:09, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Publisher T. Nelson ==<br />
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"T. Nelson" shows up as a new publisher. It looks to me like it is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Nelson_(publisher) Thomas Nelson]. If you agree, and it's ok with you, may I change that to Thomas Nelson on those two submissions (leaving your notes as-is)? We have Thomas Nelson as a publisher already. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:06, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Please hold for a few days. Perhaps I will add more Ursula Moray Williams eds. from notes in user space, pass over any "T. Nelson" or make a note to hold those too. I will check other sources for these. LC catalog was down for me Fri/Sat and after end of semester yesterday I have no night/Sunday access to historical newspapers. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:32, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, I will do that. Let me know when you are done and what you decide we should use. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:03, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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* One more submitted and cancelled by mistake [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3034688] "Camden [N.J.] T. Nelson" (other cities are New York and Nashville [Tenn.]) <br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:40, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: All four now in the queue should be "Thomas Nelson".<br />
::: I added a Note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28709 Publisher: Thomas Nelson & Sons], not yet for Thomas Nelson, and reallocated a few books. A few remain. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Great. I accepted the submissions and changed the publisher in each to Thomas Nelson. I also added the Wikipedia link to the Thomas Nelson page. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:37, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I added a Note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?386 Publisher: Thomas Nelson], narrowed its target to the Wikipedia section Current United States company, and completed reallocation of all pre-1969 books to the British company (& Sons), which published also in North America. We don't attribute any subsequent publications to &&nbsp;Sons and a glance at ISBN for Thomas Nelson publications suggests that we may not have any in the database. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== [Hamish] Hamilton ==<br />
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Hi. You used Hamilton on {{P|570740|this}} but Hamish Hamilton on {{P|570741|this}}. The LOC records both show London, Hamilton, and I am guessing both should have the same publisher credit. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:58, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hamish Hamilton. At the same time I promoted Reindeer Books from my Notes (as series noted by both LCCN and OCLC) to Publication series. <br />
: And i eliminated Reindeer Books from the database as a publisher by revising one record. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 16 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Net to Catch the Wind'' ==<br />
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The system was grumpy about your submission for {{P|571624|A Net to Catch the Wind}} and forced me to reject it. It looked to me like the changes were the notes and the date on everything. I copied the notes over and made the date change. Please check that it's all the way you want it, and if there's something other than the notes and date, you'll have to redo it. Sorry about that, and thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:48, 24 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I had created the CHAPBOOK title with a redundant copy of the SHORTFICTION and "Note to Moderator: first publication of this short story; later merge them" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3042213]. Probably another editor merged them, thus deleted the new SHORTFICTION, while my first follow-up was in the queue.<br />
: All is well. I restored hyperlinks and on further investigation I found more to be said P{{p|571624}}. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:02, 24 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Dragon's Nest ==<br />
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I answered your posting on my "Messages Page". When you're right, you're right, and you were right. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:45, 17 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== ''Faust'' submission ==<br />
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Hi. I think your ''Faust'' submission duplicates {{P|372389|this entry}}. See what you think. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:19, 24 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi. Yes, my submission duplicates the book, 1st ed. presumable 1st printing. I missed it yesterday.<br />
: Do we use such longlong titles by policy? I have shortened some full titles that are much shorter than this one. And we now give a one-word title for the companion novel <i>Falstaff</i> (1976) T{{t|1612138}}. For that one I had partly assembled in user space, but not submitted, data for the two 1st eds. thus:<br />
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:: (1st ed.) LCCN: <a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/77352232">77-352232</a> and OCLC: <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2930386">2930386</a><br />
:: -- as Main title: "Falstaff : being the Acta domini Johannis Fastolfe, or Life and valiant deeds of Sir John Faustoff, or The hundred days war, as told by Sir John Fastolf, K.G., to his secretaries William Worcester, Stephen Scrope, Fr. Brackley, Christopher Hanson, Luke Nanton, John Bussard, and Peter Basset <br />
:: -- "/ now first transcribed, arranged and edited in modern spelling by Robert Nye."<br />
:and<br />
:: (1st US ed.) LCCN: <a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/76027765">76-27765</a> and OCLC: <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2373077">2373077</a><br />
:: -- (as above)<br />
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: For <i>Falstaff</i> all four linked records give the long title. For <i>Faust</i>, LC gives one-word title for the 1st ed.[https://lccn.loc.gov/80142102], longlong for the 1st US ed.[https://lccn.loc.gov/80039696]. <br />
: Perhaps the longlong titles should appear only in Notes, perhaps best in both Title and Publication records.<br />
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: <s>P.S. At the moment Robert Nye A{{a|5059}} because "merge/variant as approp" remains on my to-do list for three Beowulf titles.</s> --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:59, 24 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::We want the title as the book has it on the title page. You could raise this question on the [[Rules_and_standards_discussions|Rules and standards discussions]] page or the [[ISFDB:Community_Portal|Community Portal]] and see what others have to say. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:47, 25 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hi. I still have that submission on hold. Since you agree that it's a duplicate, would you copy any information you want to preserve into the existing entry and then cancel it when you do not need it any longer? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:34, 14 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: ok {{done}} (and <s>strikeout</s> what is long obsolete above) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:54, 14 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Copyright dates for some of Kipling's ''Just So Stories'' ==<br />
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Hi, I accidentally approved one of your submissions and have put several others on hold: the copyrights of these are assigned for the years 1900 & 1901 to Kipling, but this is not enough to ensure a publication in the respective year. Have you any more evidence for respective publications before 1902? (Per help we assign the original publication date of a title, not the year of copyright or writing.) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:48, 28 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
: I cancelled and resubmitted one of the four (Armadillos) that were on hold because that one alone names a publishing company, Curtis Publishing Company. Five state copyright by Kipling alone, of which four prior to 1902 so that I submitted a change in the "Year" field.<br />
: Wikipedia and others say that three of the twelve stories were published in a children's magazine, evidently by Century Company during 1897. Of the other nine Wikipedia says only that they were added to make the 1902 collection, but I suppose Curtis had published the one somewhere.<br />
: If I understand correctly, the Notes are OK, and may prompt someone to find a deeper source. But the "Year" 1902-00-00 should be retained/restored for three of those on hold and for one that you approved (Leopard). Right?<br />
: Now I must break, perhaps for the day. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:10, 28 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: '''Update.''' Now at the university library where I have access to historical newspapers. Here are the first two of three sentences in one item, "Notes and News" <i>NY Times</i> 1902-04-12 pBR12<br />
:: "Rudyard Kipling has finished three more stories for the <i>Ladies Home Journal</i> in his series of "Just-So Stories", which he has been writing for the magazine.[retaining copyright evidently] The first of the stories will be called 'The Cat That Walked by Himself'."<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:03, 28 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::As this note appeared in 1902, I have restored 1902 as the year of publication: it may be possible (even likely), that some titles were published before the book, but as we don't know yet which of them and when, we better stick with the yet known first publication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:59, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I agree. I fully hope and half expect to find some 1900 to 1902 magazine publication dates with university library facilities, but that is not for today. And I withhold incremental update of the COLLECTION <i>Just So Stories for Little Children</i> T{{t|39137}}. <br />
:::: Technically, are you as moderator able to revise my submission? Or do you mean approve what is on hold and then make another update yourself? (I see in the log of my rejected submissions that you did not reject any, and I don't know of any other log available to me.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:12, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Well, it's only possible to either reject a submission or to accept it and change the new record afterwards in a second step. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:26, 30 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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11 of the 12 stories were previously published in US (9) and UK (2) from December 1897 to October 1902, per Ernest Walter Martindell, ''A Bibliography of the Works of Rudyard Kipling (1881-1921)'', Bookman's Journal, 1922 (located at books.google.com).<br />
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All 12 short story Title records done, with that information --the first three-part serial with links to digital copies at HathiTrust Digital Library. COLLECTION Title not yet updated. <br />
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One month before it published the first of six stories, <i>The Ladies Home Journal</i> April 1900 published an article --not necessarily prose by Kipling-- entitled "Rudyard Kipling's New Animal Stories". That is the top line of the front cover ([http://www.magazineart.org/main.php/v/womens/ladieshomejournal/LadiesHomeJournal1900-04.jpg.html LHJ 1900-04 cover image]).<br />
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--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:51, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Evidently "The Elephant's Child" is the story content published under "Rudyard Kipling's New Animal Stories", April 1900. That explains the 1900 copyright, and I suppose that the title sufficiently explains why the 1926 bibliographer missed it. So I cancelled the submission on hold, focusing on that story's 1902 re-issue in ''The Windsor Magazine''. <br />
: [https://lccn.loc.gov/2007586218 LCCN: 2007-586218]; [https://lccn.loc.gov/2008570150 2008-570150]<br />
: Also I know the original illustrator {{a|Frank Ver Beck|130668}}. That's all for now, no time to write up. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:56, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Pearson's Magazine, October 1902 ==<br />
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Hello. Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304415 this publication], I have put your submission on hold, as I didn't understand your change from 1902-08-00 to 1902-09-00, given the date of publication of the magazine. If this is not a typo, please clarify in the notes if possible. Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 20:55, 20 July 2016 (UTC).<br />
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: I suppose that is a typo, '9' for '0', as I must have intended to change the date of the Title ''Pearson's Magazine - 1902'' T{{t|1049941}} from 1902-08 to 1902-00. Probably I shouldn't have tried to change that along with Publication update ''Pearson's Magazine, October 1902''.<br />
: Just now I submitted merge of the April 1902 number with the 1902 volumes. The merge tool offered two choices to resolve Conflict, 1902-08 and 1902-04, and I selected the latter. <br />
: Probably I should have changed Title ''Pearson's Magazine - 1902'' from Year 1902-09-00 (oversight by previous editor, I suppose) to 1902-00-00 before undertaking to add any more 1902 issues. <br />
: Until 1902-08-00 approved by Hauck a couple hours ago, I had not previously added a number to a magazine year that is in the database, only added a year to a magazine series and added contents to number that is in the database. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:24, 20 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: A glance at other years shows that we date the Pearson titles by year YYYY-00-00 in some instances, and YYYY-MM-00 in other instances. For the latter, 'MM' is the month of the earliest number that is in the database, and I suppose this to be an oversight by previous editor. The title by year YYYY should always carry Year = YYYY-00-00. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:28, 20 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: My subsequent [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3097568 Pending Title Update Submission] includes change of Year from [now 1902-04-00] to 1902-00-00. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:47, 21 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::I'm not sure there's a written rule for this. I usually change the date to "YYYY-00-00" (or simply "YYYY") with titles grouped by year but I've seen other strategies. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:36, 21 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sorry for not answering sooner, as I have been unavailable until now. I'll approve your submission; please make the necessary corrections afterwards. Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 14:02, 21 July 2016 (UTC).<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Magazine submission ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?579777 This] had a problem with an empty, unclosed anchor tag (it was just <code><a href="</code>) that made a mild mess of the display. I replaced that with XXXXX. It'll need fixing up. I think all of the rest of your note text survived. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:22, 26 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Harper's Weekly Magazine First Publications ==<br />
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I have three edits by you on hold. In each case, you are adding a statement regarding first published in Harper's Weekly. However, in each of these cases, the applicable Harper's Weekly publication is already in the database and contains the story. First published statements at the title level are only needed when the pub is not cataloged. If the pub is cataloged, they are redundant. You have also added notes regarding page numbers, heading, and illustrations that belong in the applicable pubs; not at the title level. I will leave these on hold for you to move the information into the applicable pubs. When done, please cancel the edits. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:22, 6 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
: One done in part, using page numbers "1193" and "|1193" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3147240 Submission 3147240].<br />
: Do you think it is reasonable to put all of this info in the Note? (as I have not done; this is copy-paste from deleted submission 3146213):<br />
:: p1193-94, with 4 illustrations by Richards, uncredited (clearly signed "F. T. Richards")<br />
: Commonly our book publication Notes cover attribution explicitly, when that differs from credit per title page (or from general sources such as Amazon or LCCN, if t.p. is not viewed). That is by policy as I understand it. Generally I have not replicated such information in the relevant Title records, in this case the F. T. Richards INTERIORART record, but it seems appropriate to do so. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:46, 6 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that would be appropriate. Stating the book doesn't have a credit statement, but the artwork is signed is valid information. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:05, 6 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:# I did mean "appropriate to do" it in both records (wording may differ): in the publication record (here, a magazine issue) and the title record (here, interiorart comprising N illustrations). It occurs to me now that we have a very great number of publication records derived from each other by cloning, and many generated partly by importing titles. We cannot practically expect notes on attribution to be replicated for every publication that contains a title, so the title records "need" such notes.<br />
:# One of the three remains on hold ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3146212 Submission 146212]) because it concerns a story T{{t|1016675}} published under variant title that is in the database. Here the variant long title is the original, under a natural interpretation of the original heading; see my submitted Note. Perhaps the long original should have been made the canonical title, but suppose we let it be. Moments ago you linked to the current Rules and Standards discussion a 2014 exchange [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive12#Variant_Dating Archive 12#Variant Dating]]. Your recommendation, approved by Mhhutchins, as I understand it in this case: "Title: Ghosts That Have Haunted Me" should be dated 1896-12-19 because it's the canonical title and that's the first publication of the work. Right? And "Ghosts That Have Haunted Me: A Few Spirit Reminiscences" should be dated 1896-12-19 too, of course, because that's the first publication under that title.<br />
:: Good night, late here in USA. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]<br />
:::Title record notes should contain information specific to the title. Publication record notes should contain information specific to the publication. Each publication record is supposed to identify the source of the information (either via primary verification or a secondary source note). Publication records missing sourcing does not mean the sourcing should be placed at the title record, it means the publication record should be fixed. In fact moving it to the title record it counterproductive as just because it is one way in one publication does not mean it is that way in all publications.<br />
:::Re the remaining edit: Based on that edit, the Harpers Weekly edition had the subtitle. Therefore, the current parent should be removed from the publication and the variant with the subtitle added. The note still belongs in the publication. Just because Harpers had the subtitle does not mean every other occurrence used it. I've gone ahead and made the changes.<br />
:::Yes, both should have the same date. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:44, 9 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Preface (Dracula's Guest) ==<br />
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I have your edit to {{T|878884|Preface (Dracula's Guest)}} on hold. Did you mean to add this synopsis and notes to {{T|83927|Dracula's Guest}} instead? They seem meant for that shortstory and not the essay. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:03, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:I see you made a subsequent edit to add the information to "Dracula's Guest". As such, I have rejected the edit to the preface since the content is about the shortstory and not about the essay. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:08, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: No, i submitted different material, citing/quoting the same Summary presumably from 2013 publisher Hachette Audio, to the SHORTFICTION and ESSAY title records, as i deemed appropriate. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:16, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Resubmitted in part, with greater clarity i hope. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:00, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Catacombs: A Tale of the Barque Cats ==<br />
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A bit late, but I answered your request on my page :-) --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] 18:09, 21 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Smith of Wootton Major" merge ==<br />
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I had to hard-reject your merge of "Smith of Wootton Major". One of the titles involved with the merge no longer exists (probably merged away in another submission). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:46, 25 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Evidently I submitted it twice, working from a long "Check for Duplicates" report without refreshing. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:12, 25 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Philippa Fisher's Fairy Godsister ==<br />
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Found the cover artists of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1982057 this cover art] at iStockphoto.com and changed it. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 19:51, 18 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Continued with wikilinks at [[User talk:Zapp#iStockphoto, Simon Spoon]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:23, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Subtitles ==<br />
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We don't use "A Novel" as a subtitle, ever. Cheers --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 21:01, 20 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Rejected "The Street of Mars" ==<br />
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I rejected this book as non-genre. The story concerns some kids in England, who are fascinated by some Roman ruins in their town. The streets in those ruins are named after various Roman gods, and they have some modest adventures on the street named after the god "Mars". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:34, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. You must have a good source for used books. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:23, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Black Cauldron ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?156761 this pub] found and put in. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 18:08, 11 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi, Zapp. Actually I know the Jean-Leon Huens and Jody Lee cover illustrations on sight; apparently so does my correspondent [[User:Taweiss]]. See [[User:Pwendt/People#Prydain covers]] (data as of 2016-07-07; numerals 1-5 in sublists designate the five novels). <br />
: The problems in mid-2010s are how to find sources that are reliable and what to do about all the bad data we have, some from editors who are no longer with us.<br />
: We have records such as {{t|143244|COVERART 143244}} for Dell Yearling ''The Book of Three'' with Jody Lee "Author" and a cover illustrated by Huens displayed. ''The High King'' is worse, {{t|144106}}.<br />
: The management of Dell Yearling imprint is most to blame, in my opinion, producing books that (a) use one ISBN for multiple designs, different cover artists if not also different sizes; while also (b) do not identify their cover artists and (c) do not date their printings. So we have books with different printing numbers and prices (certainly and almost certainly increasing as time passes, but that isn't good enough).<br />
: I never investigated, never started to learn, the process for correcting any records verified by retired editors. Eg [[User:Dragoondelight]] --altho I see that one did retire with notice "take over any/all that you might wish".<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:18, 11 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A thousand Miles an Hour'' ==<br />
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After approval, I uploaded a better cover scan, where the artist's signature is visible. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSNDMLSNH1924 here]. Cheers ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 17:32, 17 November 2016 (UTC).<br />
: Thanks. That is better than I found at e-Bay. By the way, the Kindle edition shows bright colors (http://www.amazon.com/thousand-miles-hour-Herbert-Strang/dp/B003UM47G8#reader_B00BWE78AI; Look Inside; scroll up). I will put that in error report to SFE3, which has cover artist D C Eyles elsewhere. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:44, 17 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Last Western ==<br />
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Hello, can you be more precise about the spec-fic elements of this book (I didn't find anything really conclusive)? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Hi. I don't know the book but stumbled upon its record in the database, and added more data from libraries, in the course of determining that Thomas S. Klise is the father of Kate and M. Sarah Klise.<br />
: Web search hits a fan review-conversation "The Great, Forgotten Sci-Fi Novel About The End Of The World" in which one of them calls it this "Very 1970s Catholic Social Apocalypse/Baseball Novel". I'll read it and try add something to the Title record. <br />
: today i can check contemporary newspapers too ... --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::I stumbled on the same page but after reading it (the page not the novel) I wasn't that convinced. The author is not on SFE3 and other usual sources so without any further evidence, I'm going to delete it. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:01, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: I find no review in multiple newspapers 1974 (and it was published early in the year). Sometimes I have access to journals and magazines, but not today.<br />
:::: One advertisement by a Chicago bookstore (send $6.95 plus 40c p&h per copy) quotes three reviews and also Walter M. Miller of ''Canticle for Leibowitz'' --the most apt author I can think of, but this is what we call "near-future" history evidently, in contrast to Miller's millenia.<br />
:::: The blurbs quoted from three reviews say in part "the most exciting and significant event in religious publishing in many many a moon", "a prophetic statement that dwarfs most others"; and "one of the most important religious books of the decade"; and "speculative fiction at its finest!". <br />
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:::: The first Customer Review at Amazon.com [https://www.amazon.com/last-Western-Thomas-S-Klise/dp/0913592315/ref=la_B001KMSE3W_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1480875380&sr=1-1] reports that it was essentially self-published (thus no reviews) and observies, "The Last Western's near-future setting makes it a speculative science fiction novel as well (R.A. Lafferty and Philip Jose Farmer both blurbed it)." And another says "A moving allegorical tale of grace, sin and redemption", ^a modern equivalent of Bunyan's "A Pilgrim's Progress"^ --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Blind" merges ==<br />
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Hello, I've rejected some of your proposed cover merges as there was no images for some titles so no way to determine if it's indeed the same cover. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:17, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: OK. I resubmitted MakeVariant for the one "Harold Siegel" title that does have a cover image.<br />
: For a couple weeks I have the Viking hardcover with dustjacket, library copy in clear plastic wrapper. Maybe I will look up how to make and upload an ISFDB-compatible cover image. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dr. Dolittle and the Green Canary ==<br />
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Hello, in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?598849 this pub] there seems to be a duplicate. Perhaps is the SHORTFICTION record an INTERIORART one. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:42, 27 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cosmopolitan, July 1889 ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your sumission but deleted the INTERIORART record. Only fiction is entered for nongenre magazines. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:45, 16 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Rose Royal'' price ==<br />
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Did you mean to include a price on {{P|88898|Rose Royal}}? It came through with just "$". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:22, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
: No, I noticed '$' in the table for another Nesbit book and thought that's a good idea to indicate UK/US ed without opening the publication records. I meant to enter '£' for Dormant too T{{t|197008}} (altho price surely less than £1) but overlooked it. Should it be deprecated? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:15, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
::I don't know. I wouldn't submit one that way, but others are, and the submissions are being approved, so you're just following precedent. They are easy enough to find and fix if someone decides we don't want them. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:42, 24 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Complete Book of Dragons'' clone ==<br />
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Hi. I don't understand the ''Complete Book of Dragons'' clone you've submitted. Doesn't it duplicate {{P|88864|this}}? Also, the notes say "1st US ed." but then you've given "£" as the price. So I'm a little confused. Help? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 03:19, 26 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
: evidently I did export contents from 1973 us to 1972 uk. So the clone is earlier mistake I neglected to delete. <br />
: good night --Pwendt from mobile keyboard without tilde afaik<br />
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== Earlier Dates ==<br />
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Hello, when you create a new record for a title that is earlier than the existing one (as you probably did with some Nesbit titles), please remember to change all the dates to the new earlier one, if not they will appear on a cleanup report and will have to be changed by a moderator. Thanks [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Wikipedia images ==<br />
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We can't link to Wikipedia, but generally images posted to Wikipedia are licensed in such a way that you can download them and upload them to the ISFDB (citing the source). Wikipedia provides a link to the license information for the image, so you can check the terms. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:20, 8 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Sequence of URL in Webpages field (Julie/Eloisa) ==<br />
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Hello, I believe I have this issue straightened out.<br />
The way that the site orders these links, the last link entered always appears at the left as the first link in the list. So for your links<br />
: Vol I http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries00gardgoog<br />
: Vol II http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries04rousgoog<br />
: Vol III http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries02rousgoog<br />
: Vol IV http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries01rousgoog<br />
I entered them into the Title Record in reverse:<br />
: Vol IV http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries01rousgoog<br />
: Vol III http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries02rousgoog<br />
: Vol II http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries04rousgoog<br />
: Vol I http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries00gardgoog<br />
So that the end result is the display order that you are trying to achieve. Of course, if someone adds another link to the list, it will appear first, but these four links should still appear in the proper order.<br />
[[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 17:50, 11 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. Webpages must frequently be displayed in poorly chosen sequence partly because few editors know this! --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:15, 11 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Jena Anderson ==<br />
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I have your edit to add a link to {{A|Jena Anderson}} on hold. There really isn't anything about the artist on that page (other than a statement she did the covers). Did you include the correct link? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:09, 22 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
: It wasn't a good resolution, altho it was what I intended in a hasty revisit after poking around the web on my phone. (I'm abbreviated on Tuesdays and I was sharply abbreviated on this one.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:14, 22 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding fictive days in publication date ==<br />
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Hello, I've reverted your changes that wished to add a fictive day (to order the publications). Such a practice (even documented in the notes) is creating new false information. Perhaps would the projected "Printing rank" field help you in the future. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:57, 3 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
: That wasn't me. It was my phone :--;<br />
: Thanks. My record of the 1st printing was a complement to that of the 2nd printing by user Chavey, who has not yet replied to my note. Probably its best if you add a comment there too, [[User talk:Chavey#The Secret Garden]]. <br />
: A printing rank field would have some value. I wouldn't give that change high priority. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:26, 3 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
:: I am not able to get to that book at present. I did a couple of those "artificial dates" some time ago, but I don't anymore, and don't object to having it taken out (as Hauk did). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:41, 4 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Fouqué versus Fouque ==<br />
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The software/database considers "é" to match "e". So because we have an entry "Friedrich de La Motte Fouque", you cannot also create another entry "Friedrich de La Motte Fouqué" -- the software matches that latter accented text to the existing un-accented text. The best we can do is use whichever version is more prevalent and note deviations where they occur. You could try to determine whether changing the name to "Friedrich de La Motte Fouqué" would be appropriate. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:23, 4 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Where Magic Reigns: German Fairy Tales Since Grimm ==<br />
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Your recent edits to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?617607 Where Magic Reigns: German Fairy Tales Since Grimm] have left Undine with a publication date later than the anthology it appears in. I have approved it but it will need to be fixed. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 20:13, 14 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Another editor picked it up evidently.<br />
: I do proofread much next day but not so much as I do on the 20 minute cycle.<br />
: --Pwendt<br />
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== External Identifiers ==<br />
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External identifiers (OCLC, LCCN, etc.) should no longer go into the notes field, but now into the new External Identifiers field on the publication editing screen. Select the specific type from the pull down, and just enter the number. The software makes the link automatically. If you have more than one, just the "Add External ID" button. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:52, 9 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Old Man Gully's Hant ==<br />
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Hello, I've put your submission on hold. I'm wondering what you're trying to achieve. This will create a new canonical for an author that has only one record so is its own canonical. Data about the real name can go in the notes. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 20:37, 10 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
: My purpose was not to add the writer's real name or full name (for which we have one Author field) but to add the original author and year of this story, in a 1911 collection. LC has records of two books by this writer, both as Sarah Johnson Cocke. Both are also listed at [http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Cocke%2C%20Sarah%20Johnson Online Books by Sarah Johnson Cocke].<br />
: The collection has been reprinted, in a [https://www.amazon.com/Bypaths-Dixie-Sarah-Johnson-Cocke-ebook/dp/B00ANUM8EI Kindle edition] among others, but I don't plan add it, or to assess its contents. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:42, 12 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
::OK, your aims are clearer. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:17, 12 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Notes templates ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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We have a few new-ish templates that can be used in Notes, including one for LCCN. If you use that one instead of direct links, if they ever change the format of their links or their server, a single change in the template will keep the link correct (as opposed to needing to change them in each publication. The complete list is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Linking_Templates here]. You are writing some pretty impressive notes in titles so I thought I would bring these to your attention. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:48, 24 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
: Gentle reminder :) I just changed the direct link to worldcat's OCLC record [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?983244 here] to the template. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:15, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1375484 here] :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hi. The instruction seems to have publication records in mind. (Maybe the instruction needs expansion.)<br />
::: "The use of linking templates should be limited to third party records which are not directly related to the publication, e.g. "The skeleton OCLC record {{OCLC|123456}} may be related." (And I don't know the meaning of "skeleton OCLC record".)<br />
::: Do we have any discussion of how much blue ink is desirable in various kinds of records?<br />
::: For a story title record --many of my submissions this summer-- frequently the original magazine (eg, <i>St. Nicholas</i>) or original illustrator (eg, W. R. Lohse) is in the database but I do not routinely link them (and never link publisher pages).<br />
::: Of course the numerical library catalog IDs are meaningless --and stable, we hope?-- whereas magazine and personal names are meaningful --and our canonical names are not stable; poorly chosen canonical names are corrected, albeit slowly. There is a good argument for using in Notes a version that appears in a relevant publication. <br />
::: If and when we have a "What links here?" feature, it will be desirable that Notes include links to our database pages, especially personal pages. For instance, from {{a|W. R. Lohse}} it would then be possible to list records in which he is noted --such as this one of my recent Notes T{{t|1375033}}. (I didn't provide any internal or external links, nor cite a library catalog record. That one is on my list to add the original 1922 publication to the database.) <br />
::: Do we have any discussion of these issues?<br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:46, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::: P.S. Commonly when I add a Title note that is "complete" rather than "to be continued", I have in hand multiple external source IDs such as LCCN, OCLC, and ASIN. Thus I could provide, or impose, a lot more blue ink. The records you approved this hour, such as T{{t|1375484}}, link (and cite) OCLC rather than LCCN because in this case all three OCLC records list the Contents, and LCCN do not. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:55, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::: The idea of most of the templates is to replace links in all Notes fields - so if you are planning to add a link to OCLC, LCCN and so on in your text, instead of the link, just use the template - thus minimizing the chances for a technical mistake and allowing the links to be changed if one of those sources reindex or change the format of the links without chasing all variations. If you just want to list OCLC records with no link, you still can do that of course. The instructions do need an update - they need to start pointing to external identifiers as well (so people know not to put those in notes anymore). On the publication level, the templates are to be used when the link cannot be pulled into an External Identifier (thus the way the note is written) - related records and so on. I will work on a proposed new documentation (thanks for the reminder) :) So technically it won't have more blue ink - same number of links remain, they just look a bit different.<br />
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::::: Think of the templates as links shortcuts - if it is on the list and you are adding a link, use the shortcut instead :) They do not replace all links (if the format does not suit what you are doing, go for a real link), neither they replace non-linked references. They are just links for the references(or texts for a few special cases - the Translator one is a text only but its usage will help us find all records with a Translator note when the feature for that is implemented).<br />
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::::: So the note here from me is not about the cases where you are not linking but when you are (I think I changed only those - did I manage to change by mistake something that was not a link initially? Apologies if I did - please send an update removing the template and I will approve it). <br />
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::::: If you would like a discussion on when it is worth using those and when not, go ahead. But as I said, my note is just for the case where you already have a direct link. As I said above - I find your notes very informative so I am not arguing why you have the references - I am just pointing out that we have a faster and more stable way to do the links now :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:06, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Supernaturalist ==<br />
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I thought that only illustrators were classified as Cover Artists and not designers? In your verified version of {{P|562749|The Supernaturalist}} the cover artists are specified as Alexander Garkusha and Stephan von Bolderick. On the back cover of my copy of {{P|116881|The Supernaturalist}} it states <I>Cover design by Alexander Garkusha. 3-D rendering by Stephan van Bolderick</I>. Note it is <I>van</I> not <I>von</I>. So I wonder if they should be removed from the Cover Artist field. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 10:18, 29 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: No doubt ''van'' Bolderick, as I wrote in the Note. Certainly I didn't notice that our Author name we have is Stephen ''von'' Bolderick, and I don't recall whether that was my typo or whether the Dutch-language cover was in the database, which I imported or merged without seeing the variant spelling.<br />
: The Dutch edition is not verified now. I don't how to find any creators of that publication record P{{p|528633}}, nor whether we maintain records from which any administrator can find them. Since I understand ''van'' to be Dutch and ''von'' German, I suppose the Dutch edition states ''van''. <br />
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: '''Main point.''' See three others of mine, the trilogy {{s|Philippa Fisher}}, re which I did initiate relevant Rules & Standards discussion that you should read, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive14#Entering_authors_as_credited--complex_attributions Entering authors as credited--complex attributions]. One aspect re ''The Supernaturalist'' must be whether "Digital Vision" should be credited as an author, or Garkusha, etc. Probably I judged that discussion inconclusive as a guide to practice. If you "search the database" for probably offending Names --[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=digital+vision&type=Name Name search : Digital Vision], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=istockphoto&type=Name : iStockphoto], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=getty+images&type=Name : Getty] -- you will probably be offended!<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:08, 10 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Answering your inquiries. ==<br />
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Just to let you know I answered your inquiry to best of abilities for now. Please let me know how you want to proceed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:17, 28 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Page Numbers for Ebooks ==<br />
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Ebooks shouldn't have page numbers. Even though many Project Gutenberg transcriptions leave the "page numbers," they don't equate to real pages so we don't record them. I accepted your edits to ''Edmund Dulac's Fairy-Book: Fairy Tales of the Allied Nations'', but edited the publication to change the page numbers from "#" to "|#" (this uses the page numbering for ordering purposes, but doesn't display it). Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:00, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
: OK. Now I submitted the page numbers to the 1st ed. (Hodder & Stoughton, 1916), which are identical, from its HathiTrust e-copy. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3578155 Submission 3578155]<br />
:: Note to self: identical pagination but extended by one extra story p171-74, namely the lead story in 1915 ''Edmund Dulac's Picture-Book for the French Red Cross'' announced ''The Observer'' 1915-09-19 p3, promoted -11-21 p5 "should and will be the gift book of the season" at 3/- , with "appeal for funds to be sent to him direct, care of the Daily Telegraph" [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100298600 at HDL] <br />
: This list of Contents (to be checked tomorrow) is nearly as long as I am happy to fix manually --add page numbers to each record and, as i recall, import one here and two there. Do you think it is reasonable to complete Contents in publication A; remove all contents from publication B; export all contents from A to B with page numbers? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:48, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, that works if all the page numbers are the same. Be sure to add notes to the moderator explaining what you are doing when you remove the contents. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:50, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: I'll try that some next time. Frequently the sequence of Contents is identical in multiple publication records, perhaps because a previous editor has Export Contents or Clone from one to the other, after adding Contents but without page numbers (or sequence as published). In this case, however, the Contents were once as published and once alphabetical by title! (and a couple were missing) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:17, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== McClure's - 1906 ==<br />
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I have your addition of a McClure's magazine on hold. What month is this issue? It should be entered as an individual issue (McClure, Month Year) so the publication has the correct title. The title record would then get merged into a single year title. Also, you did not include a source statement in the pub notes field. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:44, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
: If it is to be done that way, I need some instruction, not found at Help > New Magazine. After a summer of much reduced activity I have forgotten much that I didn't use frequently. <br />
: As I suggest in the Note to Moderator [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3601041], I planned to merge the two "McClure's - 1906" with the old Note and new date 1906-00-00 (rather than 1906-06-00). Offhand I don't know how to merge to Title records that do not share author ("Editors of McClure's") and nearly share title. I merge only via the "Check Duplicate Titles" feature of the summary bibliography [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?115684]. In fact, I don't believe that I have forgotten another way to merge!<br />
: Then I would fix the Publication title and give it date 1906-05-00 (rather than 1906-00-00). <br />
: Thanks in advance. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:19, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::While that makes merging the title records easier, the problem is that it creates a publication record titled "McClure's - 1906". The publication record needs to be "McClure, Month Year". I've gone ahead and approved it so you can {{P|638128|see what I mean}}. Please fix it. Usually, the easiest way to combine magazine records into a single title record is to go to the editor's summary page ({{A|Editors of McClure's|115684}} in this case) and use the "Show All Titles" link. That will show the titles and you can select and merge them from there. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:35, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: Done.<br />
::: Perhaps in the past I submitted a New Magazine (Publication record) whose annual (Title record) year is not yet represented in the database. Probably Mhhutchins, who moderated most of my first 500, taught the other approach in that context. Of course there would be no Merge step at all: 1. create the annual Title record, 2. fix the Publication record that is automatically generated. Do you recommend another approach in that context? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:02, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::I would recommend using add new magazine and setting the magazine title to the correct thing (ex: "McClure, March 2018"). Then either use show all titles to merge the title records or change the title record to "McClure - 2018" and then using check for duplicates to merge. I think that approach is clearer. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:46, 23 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Frank Adams ==<br />
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I have your Frank Adams related edits on hold. While I agree the cartoon and illustrator are likely to be different people, what is your sourcing for the people you identify? Your moderator notes seems to make it sound like you are assuming they are the respective artists vs. having a source. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:42, 5 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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: OK. First I will add another book or three by Frank Adams, at least ''Alice in Wonderland''. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:57, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::Not exactly sure how to interpret that... For now, I rejected the edits & then disambiguated the artist. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:23, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::: OK. I see you disambig'd them in the opposite fashion. Last hour I submitted one publication of the 1912 ''Alice in Wonderland'' as by Frank Adams. I now know that he is the illustrator of ''The Wolf-Leader'' and many nursery rhymes, etc, but I am out of time. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:36, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::::I flipped them. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:31, 7 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::::: Thanks <br />
1. {{a|Frank Adams}}, British illustrator of nursery picture book mainly, is clear from the library records i consulted and some crucial images available online. AuthorUpdate [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3644945 submission 3644945] is experimental in format regarding how to use the {BREAK} command; I don't know whether that can be previewed when used correctly.<br><br />
: That update has been approved and I see that I did use {BREAK} adequately, as double-braces inline. ... (continued below)<br />
His Top 20 works/titles at WorldCat appear to be 15 nursery picture books, ''The Compleat Angler'' and ''Alice'', and three other books for adults including ''The Wolf-Leader'' (and two non-genre). Those three are not in the British Library catalogue as by "Frank Adams, 1871-1944" but the others are, and signatures show that this Frank Adams is the same one who provided a few illustrations for ''Wolf-Leader'' (and ''Barbara''). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:25, 7 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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2. {{a|Frank Adams (I)}}, creator of two cartoons published in 1950s pulp magazines, I did suppose on Tuesday to be the American WWII cartoonist 1914-1987 with page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Adams_%28artist%29 at English Wikipedia]. (I don't say "covered" at Wikipedia and know that that page may be deleted.) I have more data on this Frank Adams but I don't know that any should be used. Perhaps only indicated in a Note.<br><br />
: Only occasionally during the last few months I continue to add content to Author and Bio space in the ISFDB Wiki. Almost always that is update of an existing page, and commonly one that I created myself. (On instruction by Mhhutchins late in his tenure here, previously I used database Note fields where available, Magazine Publisher Series, but the Note field was not available for Author records.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:01, 7 December 2017 (EST) <br />
I did suppose the match with Frank Adams (I) on the evidence only that cartoonist and time-period are fitting; American nationality fits the 1952/1953 Ziff-Davis publications; and his [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56221 April 1953 ''Amazing Stories''] title "Lathrop, I'll have to ask you to stick with the rest of the party." (page 105) plus the following story title "The Invaders" (page 107) both broadly fit the war-time cartoonist reputation. Well, it seems likely to me that an American pulp published during the Korean War would run a cartoon by a known WWII cartoonist. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:44, 7 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:I found an example of his signature on-line and it is very similar to the cartoon. Without definitive proof though, I'm leery of bibliography by coincidence. That's an easy path to making errors. I added the info to the author notes for {{A|Frank Adams (I)|263053}}. As for the wiki, we are no longer using it for new notes. It is in the process of being phased out (very slowly, content is being copied from the wiki to the relevant notes field & the wiki pages deleted). Mhhutchins instructions would have been before that change. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:32, 8 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== The Adventures of a Brownie, As Told to My Child ==<br />
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Hi, I approved your submission for {{T|2191680|The Adventures of a Brownie, As Told to My Child}}, but the note contents you submitted look like they are a bit messed-up. Did you probably forget some text in the note (see the "Uncredited" there)? Also, the HTML formatting of the bullet points was not correct. The correct HTML structured is like this (the text goes ''behind'' the <nowiki><li></nowiki> element, not before):<br />
<source lang="html4strict"><br />
<ul><br />
<li>Item 1<br />
<li>Item 2<br />
</ul><br />
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Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 15:13, 30 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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: I did mean the first item simply "Uncredited". I submitted a format fix. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:24, 30 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Project Gutenberg Links ==<br />
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When the Project Gutenberg text has been entered as publication, links to Project Gutenberg test do not belong at the title level as they specific to that single publication. The software will automatically link to Project Gutenberg on the publication page for the Project Gutenberg ebook. And when the Project Gutenberg text has not been entered as a publication, it is usually better to enter the Project Gutenberg ebook as a new publication than to add a title record level link. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:45, 26 February 2018 (EST)<br />
: Hi. Under what conditions does the software provide a link to any Project Gutenberg Ebook? For instance publication record P{{p|416826}} does not evidently provide a link even to Project Gutenberg itself (that is, I don't know where it is displayed) although the Catalog ID and Publisher fields are completed correctly. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:01, 26 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::It is on the left, under "Other Sites". --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:11, 27 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Cloning backward in time ==<br />
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Hello, when you clone a record "backward" in time as you did with <i>These Little Ones</i>, the contents appears on our cleanup report lest you change their dates (that are set the cloned book later date). It means that you have either to change the dates in the to-be-cloned record first (in one go) or to change the individual dates after cloning at title level (which is whay I had to do). Thanks for remembering this potential problem. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 02:01, 27 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Type changes ==<br />
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Hi, <br />
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When changing the type of a title with a single publication, you can change it via the "Change Publication" screen together (as it is a single, it does not get greyed out) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:19, 30 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Hugh Haughton ==<br />
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You mentioned a WorldCat link in the moderator note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?116402 the edit of this guy] ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3776102 note visible here]) but there was no WorldCat link in the bunch? And all 3 you have added are confirmed - they work and they point where they should :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:09, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. That composition was nearly ready to submit when I discovered and visited the Wikipedia page. I copied that URL and replaced the WorldCat as Webpage 2 but neglected to change WorldCat to Wikipedia in the Note to Moderator. <br />
: (I add WorldCat links only to author pages where English[and some other] Wikipedia biography page is not available with that link at the foot, which sometimes but rarely pertains to a second WorldCat page for the same person. Not so for LCCN, as English[at least] Wikipedia routinely provides LCCN link without point of entry to the Online Catalog, which is the main point in my opinion.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:30, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: I never use WorldCat for authors so I was not looking for the link specifically - I pinged you only because I saw the note and decided to let you know that I do not see the referenced link - when editors write notes (which is always a great thing to do), I make sure I pay attention :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:42, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks for the notice. Please continue under similar circumstances. <br />
::: By policy I begin the line "[br]later" when it and all that follows is a note to self. Since "later check newspapers" is most common and commonly first stated, and I may have 1000 submissions such, I suppose that regular moderators know "later ..." is a note to myself (albeit commonly revealing grounds for more confidence in the submission, even at a glance). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:51, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::: Oh, I know - I tended to do the same :) Still do - even as a moderator - actually. I was coming over anyway to let you know that you are missing a link - so I checked the other 2 - otherwise I would have left it for you to figure out and check (as I usually do) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:55, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Hard Reject on Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass ==<br />
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I had to hard reject the edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325659 this title]. The earlier merge of the two introductions retained the ID of the title that was not originally in this one - so this submission became invalid. I think I got the idea so I reapplied the |1-4 numbers - can you just verify that I got the order correctly (the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3776036 submission] shows only the first 2 elements - the two novels - and I extrapolated from there). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. It's good. My purpose was only to mimic the Contents display by another editor at the 2010 ed./printing P{{p|325659}}. Sometimes I submit "2nd of 3", etc, in foolish sequence, or neglect to numeral one of them. Even if I were perfect clerically, I would need study to learn when a particular sequence is necessary. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:41, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Any merge can cause troubles (depending on which ID remains and which one is dropped - you have a 50/50 chance of a followup update being valid) - so if you are doing a sequence that will contain a merge, either send the Merge first and wait for it to be approved or do all BUT the merge and when all is done, submit the merge. The sequence is good - it tells a moderator that you are working on it so they do not need to jump and do the next steps (and it also tells them to look for the rest of the sequence). Other actions that can cause issues: A date/name change of a story/essay/another element via "Publication Edit" - if someone clones/adds publication (thus making these unavailable for edit from the pub edit page), the edit is also erroring. Any deletes will also cause issues. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:46, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There ==<br />
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Why are you trying to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3777027 clone another publication] and not just edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?529935 this one]? What are the differences between the two? It needs a name change from what I can see (title page vs cover) but it seems to be the same book? Am I missing something? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:26, 10 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: I didn't know the two print publications were in the database when I submitted that, only the ebook. <br />
: Please hold the submission. For now I'll fix the ebook instead and leave both print ISBn 978-0-14-310762-0 publications in the database for discussion. I don't know the database model well enough, and don't trust its execution well enough anyway, to judge whether or not those two are "the same book". So ISBn 978-0-14-310762-0 is in the database three times for now, two approved and available in publication view and others, one on hold. <br />
: At Community Portal the heading will be some something like "Penguin Books and Penguin Books (US), for instance". <br />
: P.S. Only now I discover the advanced publication search by external identifier, eg [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/external_id_search_results.cgi?ID_TYPE=1&ID_VALUE=B00OQS4C8S ASIN B00OQS4C8S]. It needs several steps so I won't routinely use it in Note to Moderator but it's good to have.<br />
: --Pwendt 14:31, [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:51, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Both the book you are trying to submit and the one we have say Penguin Books (US) so I am not entirely sure what you mean. It is the same ISBN, the same format, the same dates an it is not verified - no reason to believe it is a different book. I can accept yours and delete the one we have but in the future, try to search by ISBN before adding (that would have found the tp) :) Let me know if you want me to proceed with approving and deleting the duplicate. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:52, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::: Our two records of print ISBn 978-0-14-310762-0 publications say "Penguin Books" and "Penguin Books (US)", whose meaning I will pursue. I prefer those two records remain, temporarily. I submitted the Charlie Lovett edition-edition (Penguin Classics Deluxe Edition) in its digital edition-format if you know what I mean. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::: One is the US edition, one is the UK edition. They are ok. This is standard handling for the publishers that are publishing on both sides of the ocean. The issue here is the THIRD one you are trying to add, that will be an exact copy to the already existing US one. Which will end up with 2 US and 1 UK edition of the ISBN and the two US ones are exactly the same. Thus one needs to go. Yours have more details so I can accept it and delete the existing US one - so we will still have 2 at the end. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:35, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I've approved yours, deleted the duplicate. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:38, 20 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: OK. Having returned from a very long weekend I continue work in progress on the Lovett, Haughton, and Green omnibus eds. of Alice. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:31, 24 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== About your test ==<br />
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<nowiki>{{LCCN|n79072843}}</nowiki> works in the regular notes; it does not work in the moderator notes :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:00, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}}<br />
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== Three Gothic Novels ==<br />
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Did you mean to add "1 belated hit 2018-04-26 in US newspapers:" in the NOTES of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?224681 this one]? If so - can you add more notes clarifying what exactly that means because it reads like gibberish to me and it does not connect to the rest of the notes in any way or form :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:20, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: ("belated" was inspired --or uninspired obscurity as you say-- for the late newspaper date; in notice on the retired verifier's talk page [[User talk:Swfritter#Three Gothic Novels]], I used boldface emphasis to the same effect<br />
: Yes, I'll do that--tomorrow unless I must forego the university library until Saturday (*). It turns out that I do hit the book as "Three Gothic Novels" in 1966 newspapers --which I missed in "Castle of Otranto" search yesterday-- so I will rewrite the offending note. But I must depart.<br />
:(*) I save links from successful search such as this but they operate only when I am again at the university library, benefiting from a building subscription to ProQuest Historical Newspapers. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:17, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: And I'll rearrange/format Gutenberg 696 P{{p|338196}} --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:18, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: {{Done}}. And done. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:06, 28 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Heartsease ==<br />
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This kind of details belong to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558917 proper pub note], not just the moderator ones. So I moved them in. Feel free to rewrite. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:45, 30 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}}<br />
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== Source ==<br />
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Any source that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3805737 this] does not actually have a cover from Stacey? Just because WorldCat says that there are 6 illustrations, that does not mean that he did not do the cover as well. Or am I missing something here? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
: The record gives no other source. Probably someone cut and paste hastily to the cover art field; evidently careless as interior art not entered. As I depart. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:42, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: OK then. I was also looking around and cannot find the attribution. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:38, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}}<br />
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== The Beast of Bradhurst Avenue ==<br />
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Hey, thanks a lot for digging through ProQuest for me; I found all the chapters and created serial records for them, so it's all finished now. Best, --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 16:08, 11 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Marianne Dreams ==<br />
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Can you please revise this statement: "Price from capsule in "Briefing"" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?672161 Marianne Dreams]? I am not sure what capsule would mean here and/or what you meant but as it stands, it is unclear. I can just revise it to read "Price from the "Briefing" section" but if you meant something else, please go ahead and revise it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:10, 28 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Done (capsule review) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:46, 28 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Planned Project Scope Expansion ==<br />
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(I am leaving this note on the Talk pages of some of the more active editors to make sure that we are not missing anything. If you have been following [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this Rules and Standards discussion] and agree with the proposal, please ignore this note.)<br />
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As per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this discussion], [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] is about to be expanded to include:<br />
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* Speculative ''fiction'' webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues<br />
* Special speculative ''fiction'' issues of non-genre webzines<br />
* One time speculative ''fiction'' anthologies published on the Web<br />
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If you believe that this scope expansion may cause unforeseen and/or undesirable consequences, please share your thoughts on the Rules and Standards page. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:20, 4 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Emer's Ghost ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Both the cover and OCLC show the author of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3895892 this one] as Sefton and not Waddell. Do you have access to a title page that shows the book credited to Waddell directly? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:21, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
: No, Sefton. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:37, 8 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
: I replaced that submission. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:49, 8 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Ben Shecter ==<br />
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I have approved the addition of Ben Shecter's biographical information and clarified the nature of his theater/film/etc work. I also replaced the link to [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.arts.books.childrens/dGQ9ripbaHA/58gS2iUsWfIJ this Usenet post] with a link to the [http://carriehaddadgallery.com/index.cfm?method=Artist.ArtistDetail&ArtistID=54F43589-19DB-5802-E040D9D389DBFB09 source of Lenona's information]. She posts a lot of useful biobibliographical sketches on Usenet, but her information comes from other sources, which she always credits. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:53, 1 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks. I found the Caddad Gallery page and followed some other links that Lenona provided but I didn't notice any source for "Happy 80th", and thus for the implied birthdate 1935-04-28. Else I would, or should and might, have entered a source URL or two as necessary.<br />
: Concerning the other procedure, Shecter and mis-spelled Shechter, I continue at [[User talk:Ahasuerus#Ben Shecter, Author merge]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:38, 1 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''A Sensational Trance'' ==<br />
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I accepted your edit to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558644 A Sensational Trance], but could you please look again at the note as it appears incomplete. I'm particularly puzzled by "8vo.", and the final word '"Downey' Thanks for checking. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 18:33, 11 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
: done by phone. --Pwendt<br />
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:: Further discussion [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Pwendt#A_Sensational_Trance_-_round_2 below]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:11, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Miss Pickerell and the Weather Satellite'' ==<br />
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I have approved the addition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?678124 this record] and edited the notes data for readability. Hopefully nothing got lost in the process :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:53, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks for your attention. For all three mid-Saturday submissions with that Note to Moderator, "continue on return to library, look for another image", I anticipated that the incomplete submissions would be approved sometime Sunday at latest; I would check against the books, augment or correct as necessary, and format in my usual style, as for the one (of four Miss Pickerell in the Ace series) that is from secondary sources only [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3929957].<br />
: The latter is the only one of all Miss Pickerell in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?80 Archway / Pocket Books] edition (#1 to #12? or more?) for which Amazon US --on that product page defined by ISBN -- provides a cover image of the US issue, apparently 1st printing.<br />
: Now I won't be able to get back to the library copy this fortnight (August vacation looms). I haven't adjusted to the long submission queue, and perhaps I won't need to adjust, if it turns out that other people's August vacation is the primary cause. (In the long shadow of the queue, however, I spent my Sunday time reading wiki pages rather than working here. I was dismayed to learn that Hauck has departed, where I had supposed my own "graduation" to less meticulous or less experienced moderators--supposed that he was continuing to mentor the sophomore class, if you know what I mean.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:29, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: The vacation season is likely one part of the problem since a number of our moderators have been on vacation over the last few weeks. Another part -- and I can only speak for myself here -- is that I find your submissions time-consuming to process, so they tend to stay in the queue longer than other submissions. Your notes are usually well-researched and informative, but they can be hard to parse. Much of the time I am not even sure what they are supposed to mean, so I can't edit them for readability. I realize that you are doing your best and I greatly appreciate the work that you do. Unfortunately, I don't really know how we could improve the process :-( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:49, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''A Sensational Trance'' - round 2 ==<br />
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I have approved your changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558644 this publication] and edited notes for clarity and readability. Could you please clarify "(That is, Crown octavo.)"? Does it mean that "crown 8vo." stands for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavo the Crown octavo book size], i.e. 7½" by 5" (190 mm x 126 mm)? If so, we will want to spell it out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:08, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Little Green Man ==<br />
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Thanks for finding the problem with the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1328301 ''The Little Green Man'']! I am not sure how we ended up with "M'''e'''n" instead of "M'''a'''n", but it was definitely an error. I have checked my copy of Reginald3 and he also says "Man". I have removed all references to the "Men" version.<br />
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I have approved and reorganized your notes for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362069 first edition]. I have a few questions:<br />
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* What does "intended" mean in this context?<br />
* When you write that "The listings in ''Manchester Guardian'' and ''The Academy'' note "[This day.", what exactly does it refer to? Is it the name of the section where the listings appeared?<br />
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Also, I have created a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?678185 new publication record] for the cheaper (3/6) edition and moved the second half of the Notes field there. Hopefully everything looks OK. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:52, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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: It isn't all OK but I don't now have time for any tweaks to the database, nor for whatever reply is appropriate here. It will wait. Thanks for your efforts. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:52, 15 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Tales from Eternity'' publisher ==<br />
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FYI, I found [https://books.google.com/books?id=bJTfAAAAMAAJ&q=tales+from+eternity+allen+unwin&dq=tales+from+eternity+allen+unwin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSqf7etKDeAhVhRN8KHeLfCOEQ6AEITDAF Google Books] shows a snippet with the copyright confirming "George Allen & Unwin Ltd." --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 21:15, 24 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Time Garden ==<br />
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Hello, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394924 this one] is both PV verified and OCLC verified by an active editor(Chavey). Can you drop them a note about the changes you are making (I approved them as they are obvious but as it is a verified book, let's make sure we are not missing something? The old OCLC record was 35301743 (in case we need to restore it). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:22, 16 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Merging Interviews ==<br />
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As long as the names match, the duplicate finder does find them (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_title_dups.cgi?1506768 this]. Are these two the same? If there are more of these, you can use Advanced Search to get them into a mergeable position (or just list them here and I will merge). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:45, 7 December 2018 (EST)<br />
: No others. In effect I merged the other "Go Fish" titles manually, import and remove, which was booked once as ESSAY and once as INTERVIEW. I had expected Aggressive mode to identify the ESSAY and INTERVIEW as author [Natalie Babbitt] duplicates, with identical title and author = interviewee, but it didn't.<br />
: Evidently I have not noticed that Advanced Search enables selection by checkbox. That will be useful sometimes. Thanks.<br />
: (I avoid using the uncredited Author page, and some undated and unknown searches.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:39, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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: Oh, I recall too expecting that last the two listings at {{a|Alexander Gordon Smith}} would be picked up as author duplicates in Aggressive mode. I quote them, just in case someone else completes the merge:<br />
: Interviews with This Author<br />
:* Go Fish: Questions for the Author: Alexander Gordon Smith (unknown) by uncredited<br />
:* Go Fish: Questions for the Author: Alexander Gordon Smith (2012) by uncredited <br />
: Now I suppose that that fails because he is not the "Author" of the interviews, although they are cleverly appended to his "Author" summary bibliography. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:57, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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:: Interviews are special - they have two authors connected to them. This is why they are not that easily mergeable with other types - so they are treated differently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:21, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Jules Verne ==<br />
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Based on your user page, we may have some overlap in our research. You seem to be focused on the Earth to the Moon volumes (currently) in much detail. My initial goal was simply wanting to enter some Jules Verne books I had. I realized the existing entries did not generally differentiate the translations, so I set out to put the first publication of each in, so mine could be in the right place. Then I realized that most of the French versions weren't there and the English would be the first of any publication. So I dug out the first French publications and realized I couldn't enter them, they were in serial form. So that went in the notes and I found the earliest French editions. That's all done so now I'm going through the titles putting in the first publication of each English translation. Then I'll be able to put my verifiable copies in. <br />
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I've run across a few resources that might be of interest. For example [http://www.julesverne.ca/jvbookSampsonLow.html this] history of the Sampson Low publishers. If you think it's worth comparing notes, it might be easier if you email me directly. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:59, 23 February 2019 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. That info is similar to that Library of Congress provides, citing "Brown, P.A.H. London publishers and printers, c. 1800-1870, c1982", which link[https://lccn.loc.gov/no2008108391] is part of my last hour [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4203099 submission 4203099]. I must be the author of most publisher pages that look like that one, with heavy use of blank lines to format and template {publisher} to link predecessor and successor publishers.<br />
: I am 15 minutes past closing time so let me tonight postpone all matters of ISFDB substance.<br />
: 1. Do I know where to email you? Are you the maintainer of julesverne.ca, compiled from what you have "run across", or is that one of the resources you have "run across"?<br />
: 2. I see that you use U Winnipeg and U Manitoba. Perhaps you have access to ProQuest Historical Newspapers there? That is what I use to search newspapers and magazines, largely from 100+ years ago so that the books are likely to be available at HathiTrust or elsewhere online. <br />
: Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:22, 23 February 2019 (EST)<br />
::Use the "E-mail this user" link in the toolbox on the left from my user page. Include an email address I can reply to, as I'm not sure ISFDB provides one. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:37, 23 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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An interesting source of information based on series publishers available at: [https://seriesofseries.owu.edu/ Ohio Wesleyan University]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:05, 4 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks, Doug. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:46, 4 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of the Supernatural: Six Romantic Stories ==<br />
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Hi, You [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4302413 change the book author] to James Platt, Junior, but leave all stories in the book a by James Platt? Father and son?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:17, 10 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Dirk, There is only one 19th century James Platt likely to be in our database, as far as I know (sometimes credited/named/reported as Junior, Jun., Jr., or the Younger). Yesterday I revised one title to create James Platt (I) {{a|294141}} because I suppose that Letter is contemporary to its 1982 publication. <br />
: As I depart today:<br />
: {{a|James Platt}} (undifferentiated) remains --to be credited as "James Platt, Junior" for the 1894 edition. Because we have latterday publications of the 1894 stories (and one or two for the entire collection) as by James Platt, and more must be expected, that name should be canonical, I understand. <br />
: Today I decided there is no good way to revise the 1894 publication record, so I created [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4302846 Pending New Publication Submission 4302846], which generates new COLLECTION titles and 6 new SHORTFICTION titles. And I prepared to make 6 variants by specifying the matching short story length.<br />
: '''The submission that you have on hold''' may be canceled. I suppose it should be retained for your reference, so I do not try "Cancel submission" --which may or may not be technically permitted during "Hold", as far as I know. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:53, 11 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Old-Fashioned Fairy Tales ==<br />
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Project Gutenberg works (like any other work) should be credited per their title page, not by how Project Gutenberg indexes the author. I have approved the entry of {{P|721813|Old-Fashioned Fairy Tales}}, but changed the author credit to Juliana Horatia Ewing. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:47, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: Project Gutenberg does index this author as JHGE [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/1803] [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/15592]. I don't rely on the index here (nor elsewhere), however, but on the header in which PG reports <br />
Title: Old-Fashioned Fairy Tales<br />
Author: Juliana Horatia Gatty Ewing<br />
Release Date: April 9, 2005 [eBook #15592]<br />
: Before going further here, do you mean to rely on PG representation of the title page of its source text? Is that interpretation somewhere stated at ISFDB.org? It implies that publisher, publication date, and catalog ID are unstated in all PG ebooks, afaik. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:35, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::We credit '''authors''' per the title page. We don't credit per a header, copyright page, or other front material. We credit per the title page. That applies for all publications. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:01, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks but no thanks. The question is whether we have some consensus to consider Gutenberg representation of the original title page as title page of the ebook. It seems akin to the facsimile of original publisher's title page that many reissues contain.<br />
::: We have many publication records that take Author, Title, Date, and publisher all from the top lines of the Project Gutenberg publication. So I am asking whether we have a consensus. (I know of course that both interpretations are commonly followed.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:23, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::ISFDB standards are straight forward. We credit per the title page. Whether the title page is a facsimile or a transcription is irrelevant. Ebooks (including Project Gutenberg's) have a clear title page and that is what is used. The top lines of the file are clearly not a title page. Some Project Gutenberg publications (typically older ones, but can also happen with newer ones) do not have a title page in which case the header is all we can go by. But when there is a title page, it is to be used. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:04, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hill-Man and the Housewife / The Hill-man and the House-wife / The Hillman and the Housewife ==<br />
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Hi, I need a lot of more reasons to unvariant these titles as that you are presently giving -none.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:08, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
: As I said, our "one hyphen" canonical title happens to appear in one 2018 publication. The title with no hyphens appears in the undated first collection (1882) and in the collection as first half of undated Works (US), Vol III; [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uc2.ark:/13960/t6j09x02z?urlappend=%3Bseq=22 page 8, 1st series].<br />
: The "one hyphen" 2018 title cannot be relegated to variant in one operation, iiuc; all of its own variants must be undone first. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:35, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Dirk, Maybe you can simply do this essentially "at once". There three edits needed to change the canonical title from one-hyphen to no-hyphen, iiuc.<br />
::* undo no-hyphen as variant of one-hyphen "The Hill-Man and the Housewife"<br />
::* make two-hyphen a variant of no-hyphen, rather than a variant of one-hyphen<br />
::* make one-hyphen a variant of no-hyphen<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:38, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: That rearrangement of canonical/variant relations is complete. The steps listed above make it an overnight (or two) process for me. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:52, 8 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== She and Allan ==<br />
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One of the OCLC numbers you are adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4386462 here] says 19 cm, the other one 22 cm. Which is a substantial difference (and usually indicates book club vs mass edition in some cases). Are you sure these are for the same book? If so, we need to note the difference... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:16, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: I don't yet know much --and nothing about what Library and Archives Canada as an online resource. Two McClelland & Stewart editions are not expected but, yes, let's hold this one. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:46, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: I do not know the publisher (much) but the big difference in size bothers me - it may be a typo from OCLC (a note will fix that) - but it also may be two editions for some reason (we've seen weirder). If you have time (and nothing better to do), maybe look through other books from the same publisher around that time and compare sizes and so on? I will keep it on hold - feel free to cancel it when/if you need to edit or ping me when you have more details. I will also see if I can dig something out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::: OK, I approved it for now (because the rest of the information was good) but pulled out OCLC 1032950781. Once we figure out that size difference, we can readd it (or not). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:18, 5 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Editing notes and so on ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4392442 this one]. The Tuck verifier is active. So instead of saying "Tuck probably reports", ask them about it so we can actually have the data properly noted. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:46, 8 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: OK. There is no reason to note such variant reports, of secondary sources that are known to be unreliable, or to adopt other conventions reliably, so I will raise the general questions about Tuck; with some of the Macdonald Illustrated Edition for illustration. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:43, 8 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Cuckoo Clock and The Tapestry Room ==<br />
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You will need to redo [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4405200 the import] - it got damaged. I approved the merge of the imterior arts you submitted before that so I suspect that you were trying to import here that ID (and it went away). Sorry -- let me know if you need any assistance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:47, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}} --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:53, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Lagerlöf and others ==<br />
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Please don't forget that the DB started as an English only DB and then got the other languages almost grandfathered (the ones that do not use standard Latin-1 kicking and screaming) :) This is why we miss a lot of non-English books - including the omnibus of Selma Lagerlöf that you mentioned. And while in some languages we have editors that had made a lot of progress in adding books, Swedish is not one of them. If you can find that original publication somewhere, it will be good to have :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:25, 18 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Famous Stories Every Child Should Know ==<br />
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I put your submission for the INTERIORART in this pub on hold. When you refer to an on-line source like you do here, you should make that source reachable from the note by using the following: <a href="here you put the URL for the reference">here you put the name of the source</a>. The result will be a blue copy of the name of the source; when a user clicks on it, he will jump to the reference. You can use this method for items in the ISFDB or outside it. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:55, 1 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: OK. Now I import of that INTERIORART to our record of the 1907 1st ed., which provides a reference for the Note closing, "See that publication record." I expect to rewrite the Note entirely based on a thorough check of library records for early editions. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:15, 2 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::O.K., approved. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:15, 2 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== More Fairy Stories Every Child Should Know ==<br />
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We ended up with two of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_pub_dups.cgi?740648 these]. Are you changing something in of them or do I need to delete one of them? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:53, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: We need to delete one. I repaired HTML and rearranged after viewing the submission. Now I submit DeletePub for the earlier publication. Then its ANTHOLOGY Title may be deleted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:10, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: I was sure I saw something different but then looked again and decided to come ask :) Deleted and the old title was also taken care of. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:20, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Omnibus of only stories ==<br />
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Technically, unless you want to import the Collection titles as well, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?565494 this] should be a collection even if its content was published in a few collections before. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:07, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Probably I will use the short titles of the two collections (only one of which happens to be our canonical title now), where online view of the interior is lacking (maybe not to be determined today). It's a slow process to change Type, with submissions not accepted until others are approved, beyond the usual lags. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:25, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: If you see a moderator around, you can always just explain to them what you are trying to do and they can do the change for you much quicker. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:44, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== A trilogy in five parts ==<br />
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Or in your case "a pentalogy in 6", right? :) Made me smile (in case you do not recognize the reference in the title here, let me know).:) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:08, 30 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Dashes, hyphens and the like ==<br />
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— and - are treated differently in the DB so [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4456641 these] will be variants. Unless you can confirm that they use the first in both place. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:54, 2 November 2019 (EDT)<br />
: I submitted MakeVariant in place of TitleMerge and a simple note our source for the spaced hyphen. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:11, 2 November 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Second Bedside Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Did you mean to add all of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296104 this] in the notes or was part of it for the moderator note? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:14, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: "all of this"<br />
: I am able to add the LC record, evidently the source for the one linked at WorldCat, and improve the wording and format. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:32, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Sorry - I meant some of the wording in the note. The revised version reads a lot more like a permanent note so thanks for fixing it :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:56, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Tales of Laughter: A Third Fairy Book ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you confirm that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2638560 Wee Robin's Yule-Song] is indeed in Scots and not in English? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:23, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, Annie<br />
: I cannot. For the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?56191 Library of Fairy Literature], I added or completed most of the publications (early eds. and Gutenberg certainly), and associated author/illustrator, publisher, series Notes. No Contents at all. Only the headers of the COLLECTION notes, which I hope(d) to layout with a break as for volume 1 The Fairy Ring T{{t|2628264}}.<br />
: The work on Contents (as some other fairy/folk tale anth/collections) is by Loviatar with coaching by Dirk J Broer (and slightly me) [[User talk:Loviatar#The Fairy Ring]] (now two sections).<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:47, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: So why is it set to Scots? Any idea? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:02, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: None. No advice except check COLLECTION Titles as well as fiction/poem/essay Titles for anything Loviatar may have noted. Nor do I know how far the "Work in progress" has progressed toward "done". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:13, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: P.S. My understanding is that L hopes to confirm or correct the Publisher Notes that are linked in the second bullet point of each COLLECTION Note, as for Tales of Laughter [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t8v980z3w&view=2up&seq=8 Publisher Note 3]; and to identify "all" not so noted by the publishers. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:19, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Dead Love ==<br />
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When you are merging to eliminate the name as in this case, make sure you select an empty parent at the bottom - otherwise you leave a variant pointing to itself and a second edit is needed to remove the loop. :) I did that for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1102665 this one]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:53, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Same for the other 2 :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:54, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: OK. I'll try to remember that. Somehow we broke the variant relation for the one story with a second pseudonym in the database, title T{{t|2498523}} (restoration submitted). Perhaps that merge preserved the low-number ID. I don't recall any warning that the ID potentially to be vacated is in use elsewhere. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:03, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: Oops. Missed that somehow - it was a circle when I broke it (I think). There is no warning because the system assumes you know what you are doing. Maybe we need one for the case where a merge will result in the ID remaining a variant of itself but just in the meantime, just keep an eye for that. If the parent remains one of the two IDs in the merge, it is the wrong ID and needs cleaning; if it is an independent one, you can leave it in place. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:53, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Dream Weavers: Short Stories by the Nineteenth-Century Pre-Raphaelite Poet-Painters ==<br />
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Changed the link and the text [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1306291 here] - pointing to the painting makes more sense than pointing to the page of the myth ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:17, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. I was redirected from "Hylas and the Nymphs" to "Hylas", and didn't notice the bluelink painting title. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:37, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Second set of eyes and all that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:55, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: (edit conflict!) ''Dream Weavers'' stories generally have adequate title notes. I may be done with that anthology, and back to ''Eerie Book'' stories, almost all identified. But done for today as it's Friday and my newspapers subscription shuts its doors. Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:57, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Popular Romances of the West of England ==<br />
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This is a scan of the [https://archive.org/details/popularromanceso00huntuoft 1908] edition of this work, a newer one than [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281664 the 1865 first edition]. Here's a scan of [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32435023303233&view=1up&seq=9 volume 1 (first edition)] and [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044018072785&view=1up&seq=11 volume 2 (first edition)]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:31, 27 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: HI. I have notes on the source anthologies/collections for the 1898 ''Eerie Book'' anthology stories, and I plan to improve some of our Title and Publication records for those sources next week (as well as maybe "adjust" the story title records). Until then I don't have the screen size to look at online digital copies efficiently--and I don't have any historical newspapers subscription at all. <br />
: (on vacation for the US Thanksgiving holiday) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:29, 27 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Ferdinando Eboli ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to "Ferdinando Eboli". That story appears in a verified pub. As such, please coordinate with the approver (Rtrace). I would note that,, by ISFDB standards, ": A Novel" is not included on pub titles when given in the pub. ": A Tale" could be considered similarly, but I'll leave that up to the verifier. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:56, 16 December 2019 (EST)<br />
: That's OK. I did notify Rtrace, as "(pending approval)", and he may take approval for granted in this case. Evidently he is the editor responsible for adding variant story title "Ferdinando Eboli: A Tale" to the database for this work: {{t|98521}}, in its unique publication 1976 under the author's canonical name. I expect he will agree if/when I return to the point, which I postpone. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:14, 17 December 2019 (EST)<br />
: (growing list) Matters to re/raise with Rtrace concerning ''The Keepsake'' vols PV by reference to Google Books.<br />
: [1] publication date; [2] formats, prices; [3] Ferdinando Eboli subtitle p195; [4] Waverly => Waverley thruout; [5] Laird's Jock in the database, shd it be listed here? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:30, 17 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:58, 19 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Eerie Book ==<br />
: ''concerning 1898 anthology The Eerie Book, T{{t|1337014}}; [[User talk:Anniemod#The Eerie Book]] (2019-11)''<br />
Hello, <br />
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I just updated the Eerie Book reprint. There was only 1 correction: "The Mysterious Horseman (excerpt)" is on page 127 and not 131 as TSI apparently reports. That also accounts for the 1 page story that seemed longer here. All stories notes updated as well so we are all good. And based on that, it does seem like a fascimile quite honestly - all the notes for the old edition apply to the new one... Happy New Year! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:05, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
: Happy New Year. It's no facsimile as the page numbers differ. <br />
: All things considered I infer that the entire book has been re-set to accommodate the title leaf as pp. 1/2 and Contents/Acknowledgments leaf as pp. 3/4. Right? <br />
: And you have reported the page numbers listed in the Contents, which are those of the half-title pages (unnumbered, one-side leaves included in the pagination) usually two leaves before the beginnings of the stories. You have three stories not preceded by illustrations (pp. 125, 129, 137, 155) and two illustrations (probably unnumbered one-side leaves) that face story text (pp. 131, 149). Is that right? <br />
: "Each story starts with a title page (with a short title), most stories then have a picture page (with <s>2 empty pages</s> [must be one empty page -Pwendt 0104; ok -0105] between the title page and the image and then the image and the actual title) and then a title on top of each of the stories."<br />
: If I understand correctly, you have "The Masque" beginning on numbered page 173, and it faces the "actual title" printed on the back of the illustration leaf (unnumbered page 172) facing the beginning of the story text. Contrast [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uc2.ark:/13960/t23b5ww3g?urlappend=%3Bseq=176 1898, pp. 170-71 (view at HathiTrust)]. Is your page 173 identical to 1898 page 171 except for the page number? Is the opposite page another story-title page? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:56, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:: All stories start on odd pages, Title pages and images are also always on odd pages. It is academic at this point if it is a facsimile or not. And the note is correct - there are two empty pages between the original title page of the story and the story itself except in the cases where there are no illustrations - the back of the title page and the back of the illustration page are always empty. Anyway - was just letting you know that the notes are now updated on all stories. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:03, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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:: PS: and yes, The text of The Masque starts on page 173 after having an illustration on page 171 and a title page on 169. Pages 170 and 172 are empty - thus the note for 2 empty pages when there is an illustration. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
::: OK, I understand now what you mean by "actual title"; that's the heading at the top of the page where the story begins. And 2 empty pages: one between the title page and the image and one between the image and the actual title.<br />
::: Does the book anywhere note 15 full-page illustrations (as the J. Shiells 1898 title page credits to WBM)?<br />
::: P.S. There are only 14 in the books, with a unique 15th b/w illustration on front cover(1898) or jacket(1981). I had supposed the U California print copy for 1898 images at HathiTrust to have been vandalized, but I now suppose not, and I plan later to complete the 1898 record incorporating that supposition. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:00, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: I've listed the 14 pages where the internal illustrations are and none of them matches the one on the cover. I looked for a 15th based on the old page but seems like it is indeed the cover. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:06, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Night Side of Nature; or, Ghosts and Ghost Seers ==<br />
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Hi, as we have variants of this title, we have just as many variants of the introduction title and of the conclusion title as these should match the title of the publication in which they are printed. Please do not try to simplify all to one title. And why did we have a canonical with date 1848, and was the 1848 edition left out of that?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:00, 16 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Concerning 5 MakeVariant for the work, which you aptly rejected, thanks for catching that. Probably I mixed up the two title ID numbers. It was my purpose to change every one FROM child of our probably spurious parent title TO child of our certainly correct 1st ed. title. I opened the 5 title records and went through the motions of copy-paste the correct title ID into every one; also the Note to Moderator into every one. But I messed up somewhere. <br />
: How can you ask me why we have a probably-spurious canonical title?<br />
: The actual 1848 edition was left out of that set of relationships because I submitted its removal this afternoon, and a few hours later [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4577097 moderator Biomassbob approved]. The Note to Moderator was clear enough. Except for special cases such as this one, however --last hour when (I suppose) you executed 5/6 of the fix as self-moderator-- its rare that any moderator will go further.<br />
: As a contributor I could not submit more than the single un-merge at once; not submit any new MakeVariant. No further until approval. And then at next stage I could submit only 5/6 of the new MakeVariant. (You rejected those 5 correctly, and executed 4 of them yourself (probably). I submitted the last one, this time correctly, moments ago.<br />
: Good night. I am 2 min overtime. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:03, 16 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: Everything should look alright now. I combined the two 1850 records (one the original, the other te Gutenberg facsimile) and added a link to the 1850 Redfield edition for that publication -not in the least to explain the hyphen that suddenly crept up in that publication -and which was long present in its facsimile. I also made both German introductions a variant of the original English one, etc. Please have a look.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:55, 16 February 2020 (EST)<br />
: I agree from memory: German Lang title records name translator so they are transl of Crowe essays presumably .not new essays for German Lang eds.<br />
: today Monday is USA national holiday and I am here without reasonable screen or keyboard today. So my look may be tuesday. --(from phone without tilde)<br />
::: For the 1850 US ed. P{{p|745806}}, it appears that you corrected the user Chavey titles of COLLECTION and all three ESSAY by merger with the corresponding titles that I created for the Gutenberg edition. And in the publication title you inserted one hyphen. I will submit PubUpdate that aligns the publication and collection titles completely {hyphen semicolon comma hyphen} ''and'' adds a note item, This is the source edition for Project Gutenberg Ebook #[linked]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:55, 18 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Our record of the 1st US ed., PV Chavey, continued: Some merge or variant of 1850 shortfiction titles that originate with this record have been executed by other editors this week. Three remain and I now submit their merge with (or submergence to) the correct titles. (drafted 3 hrs ago but they remain in the queue)--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:37, 19 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== [[Jules Verne Translations]] - wiki ==<br />
:: Related links: [[Talk:Jules Verne Translations]] ; [[User:Holmesd]] <br />
I noticed you'd made some updates to the wiki page. I've put it out in public domain for just such updates and appreciate your contributions. Can I make a request though - please don't bury comments in the source unless they pertain to what a wiki editor would want to see while editing that section. If the comment is related to a title, put it in the TITLE record, if it is a notation of work to be done - put it in your work list. I should put something on the philosophy and mechanics in the Discussion page. I've a few odd problems to sort out (e.g. Michel Verne is author but Jules Verne is listed) then I plan to go back through all the entries in the wiki to see if they are still synched to the database and note who owns copies of editions under unspecified translations. <br />
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By the way, the Daniels edition is documented [http://www.julesverne.ca/vernebooks/Sets/jvset-VincentParke.html here] and I hope to get all the Vincent editions done at some point. Having one as a model was as much as that tangent allowed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:24, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: It's good to see Edition d'Amiens documented with images. One of them is adequate to identify many of the books for which HathiTrust provodes interior views. <br />
:: Feel free to remove any hidden comments from that wiki code. I know how to relocate them in the page history if that is useful. <br />
:: I did have in mind that you would see any comments I would leave, as I hurried against deadline at my primary location Wed night, prior to five nights away. I will not contribute much before next Wed, only tidbits that are reasonably efficient without adequate screen display. [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:20, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
: By the way, Gutenberg may be a publisher, but their text should be sourced from an actual prior publication. As such, I would not expect to see any reference to Gutenberg in the wiki page, just as I would not expect to see a TITLE entry in ISFDB with only a Gutenberg entry or one as the earliest entry. Although I should probably use the word 'hope' rather than 'expect'. I'll probably end up making a list for Jules Verne and going back to expand these cases. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:24, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: In the next few days I will do the Gutenberg editions (6) of Baltimore Gun Club stories (3) in the sense of your optimistic hope. That is, complete Gutenberg ebook publication records and undertake parallel coverage of print editions, with ancillary updates.<br />
:: Maybe also Gutenberg editions of Captain Hatteras (3), and the Daniels ''Works of Jules Verne 3'' (contains Hatteras II and the two Moon stories, but does not appear to be a Gutenberg source edition). --21:55, 4 March 2020 (EST)<br />
::: You should probably check out [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Project_Gutenberg_titles_and_dates this] request on the Help forum before going too far with this. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:10, 4 March 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: Thanks. I'm broadly aware of the issues. Did read your yesterday update of publisher Project Gutenberg and considered here addressing the issue of your what you expect .ahem .and hope .optimistic .above.<br />
:::: I'm in USA EST so this is late for me. (no tilde here) --Pwendt 00:10 EST<br />
:::: PS I suspect that Gutenberg use of multiple source editions is not common .often .nowadays. --pwendt 00.19 EST<br />
::::: Sounds like a plan. I'll be verifying/fixing the wiki page vs. the actual titles (testing links, adding notes on number of 'parts', original sub-titles, verifying earliest pub dates). Looks like my biggest problem is all the Fiztroy editions I added. Once that's done (days to weeks) I'll make a list of verified pubs in 'unspecified' translations and get in touch with primary verifiers to see if they can/will update the translator / translation. Maybe then I'll try fixing the "Voyages extraordinaires" series. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:09, 5 March 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::: So you hope for every publication record to contain a statement that identifies the translator (including Unknown translator --and Unknown translation text, altho not for Gutenberg eds.)? ISFDB may be close to a consensus for that. I would support it, meaning that such statements will not be at the option of Primary Verifiers.<br />
:::::: Where the translator is not credited, I would support that any statement such as this, which identifies the grounds, must be accepted. "This is the translation by Doe, credited in its 1874 first publication [link to {p|}], relying on comparison of the first two paragraphs."<br />
:::::: Where Gutenberg does not contain a title page transcript, I have occasionally stated grounds for identifying a source edition, and I'll try to be more than occasional going forward. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:27, 5 March 2020 (EST)<br />
::::::: Ideally, for any PUB record for a translation, it should identify the translator (either because it's stated or by some other means). The associated TITLE record should repeat the information, and explain how to tell in the absence of a direct statement. Editors may feel that putting the PUB under the correct TITLE is sufficient but it does not allow someone to determine if a PUB has been correctly or erroneously placed - which is where I/we find ourselves today. There will always be a potential need for a 'bit-bucket' TITLE, for people entering PUBs without access to the necessary pages or information. Gutenberg PUBs should follow the same rule. My expectation for Gutenberg's never being the <u>oldest</u> PUB is simply because the older edition which it is based on should also be in the database. I have been cleaning up the Jules Verne as best I can, digging out first editions of known translations, standardizing the text in the TITLE entries, chasing down anomalies and creating a single huge cross-reference (wiki). To whatever extent you're willing to help sort this out, I thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:41, 5 March 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Deletion of container titles ==<br />
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Hi, better unmerge a title from a cannonical, than deleting a container title. If you change the publiction title and unmerge afterwards you have created the new title record with the new name automatically.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:44, 18 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
: So you suggest • PubUpdate that includes change of the title field, and let the Container title alone for now (Note to Moderator such as "later handle Title record"). • After the Pubdate is approved, Unmerge. • After the Unmerge is approved (which creates a Title record named for the unmerged Publication), MakeVariant.<br />
: Right?<br />
: And the Container may be a NOVEL such as ''The Paradise of the North'' (with subtitle sometimes).<br />
: For a CHAPBOOK (routinely, whose title should match the contained SHORTFICTION title), the second and third steps would be Unmerge (2) and MakeVariant (2), one each for the CHAPBOOK and SHORTFICTION. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:10, 18 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wonderful History of Peter Schlemihl ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?767507 This] does not look long enough to be a novel and we have quite a lot of editions of it as a short fiction: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1566992 here]. Which will make this whole book a collection (more than one story so cannot be a chapbook). Let me know if you want me to fix it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:46, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't recall whether a re-class from NOVEL has been executed in the database recently, as I have largely missed much of the last week as a contributor. I added several publs this season. I do call it a novella in all notes, most of which are now offline.<br />
: Please accept all submissions as CHAPBOOK --no COLLECTION nor ANTHOLOGY-- despite that most publs include some "short story" contents by the primary author and others --fictitious essays, etc, by the author and one or more editors. That is, same as dozens of editions currently indb.<br />
: I'm not sure what you can do about correction of a submitted NOVEL (and now another one) as CHAPBOOK containing novella. One priority for me is to lose little or no source code, as some is composed with pains online. <br />
: Another New Novel submission based on the same work is in the queue. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:11, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I fixed this one to a chapbook (for now... if the other poems/stories are technically inside, it is fine as a chapbook) :) I also approved and fixed the other one as well. See if anything else needs fixing. It may be a good idea to check the type when you are returning to a project :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:41, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks for the fix. Yes, it's best to check type when returning to a work, and also when adding a new work :--)<br />
::: What do you mean, "other poems/stories are technically inside"?<br />
::: (Truncate and re-try hours later.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:36, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Argh. I was thinking of another chapbook earlier that had poems inside of the main novella but listed on their own for indexing. Ignore that part. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:42, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wreck of the Titan ==<br />
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Please remember that we credit based on the title page and not based on the cover. Neither edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2713213 here] (the 2020 reprints) have the subtitle on their title page (Look inside is pretty helpful on that). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:22, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
: They do display the subtitle on the title page, as well as the front cover. The interior title page (sometimes called half-title, but it follows the title page and other front material). What you have in mind is that as a single-story collection, rather than a novel, we may (and frequently do) create CHAPBOOK and novella SHORTFICTION records with different titles.<br />
: While that is permitted, it's something that some moderators do not approve. Shall I resubmit PubUpdates with subtitle added to the publication and CHAPBOOK alone, and leave the novella without the subtitle? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:32, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: No, I am not. Please show me where do you see the subtitle on a title page - because ANY internal page I see misses it - particularly obvious on the kindle book. We go by title page, not by cover. This subtitle is not printed anywhere inside of the book - so it does not make it on our title. If you disagree, feel free to open a discussion on R&S. Please do not resubmit incorrect corrections. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:44, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Never mind - apparently I need coffee or a better mouse. I will fix them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:46, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A Story of the Stone Age ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4627292 this one] - is that story a novella or a novelette? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:16, 21 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Novella, as Project Gutenberg text of 22730 words inclg headings. ([http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27365/27365-h/27365-h.htm#Page_59 Ebook #27365], Tales of Space and Time, by Herbert George Wells) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:11, 21 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! I fixed the 2 novelettes and approved the variant and added an approximate length note :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:19, 21 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) After [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4627020 this edit], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57475 A Story of the Stone Age] now shows up on the cleanup report 'Title Dates after Publication Dates'. The note says it was first published under this title November 1927, but the first 6 publications (3x Tales of Space and Time and 3x The Short Stories of H. G. Wells) have publication dates before this date. Which is true? Thanks for checking. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 09:15, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks. Singular title "A Story", revised from "Stories", appears in the 1899-dated Doubleday & McClure collection ([https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015030719671?urlappend=%3Bseq=11 Contents list] viewed at HathiTrust). The Harper collection is 1900-dated.<br />
: (I haven't read the novella, or 5 stories, and don't know whether it/they should be considered a novella here, rather than a subcollection of 5 stories. Wells calls "A Story" and "A Story" (see Contents list), "two series of linked incidents" in Introduction to a 1911 collection.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:45, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::That means I can change the date to 1899-00-00 and add a note about first publication in the Doubleday & McClure collection? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:13, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Hi, Willem. I have submitted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4628649 TitleUpdate] as I would do it, with note "(best hold for Willem H.)" I am working on the collection, publications 1899/1900 and Project Gutenberg; my TitleUpdate notes, in advance, "Concerning the stated and actual publication dates, see the collection record." <br />
::: Let me tell you what I know. You tell me, or show me, how you would revise the variant-story-Title record on these points.<br />
::: From newspaper/magazine sources November/December 1899: Certainly the UK edition (Harper & Brothers, 1900-dated) was published before the US (Doubleday & McClure, 1899-dated). Early November. I plan to expand the two publication records as 1900 (Harper, with note of its November 1899 publication) and 1899-11 (D & McC, with note that the source for November is only a listing as received by 1899-11-30). <br />
::: There are multiple UK reviews in Saturday weeklies -11-11 and numerous reviews -11-11 to -12-02. (Known US reviews in daily newspapers -12-03 and -12-16.) Harper/UK advertisements of new/forthcoming books during October note this one "In the Press". 1899-11-04 advertisement notes "Ready This Week". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:05, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Almost exactly as I would have done it. Thanks! and approved. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:15, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Time Machine: An Invention: Authoritative Text, Backgrounds and Contexts, Criticism ==<br />
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Are you sure that the title page of the NOVEL (not the full book) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327847 here] is really " The Time Machine: An Invention: Authoritative Text, Backgrounds and Contexts, Criticism" and not "The Time Machine: An Invention: Authoritative Text" or "The Time Machine: An Invention" or "The Time Machine"? I have no trouble with the book title but in none of the Nortons I have, the text of the novel itself has the complete title of the book on its first/title page. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
: (I'm not sure what I submitted. I don't recall that I did change the title of the novel Title; I may have done so because I understand that our rules require it, so long as we book The Time Machine as a novel --and the publication as a novel, because it contains no other novel.)<br />
: On the contrary, I doubt that the work appears with the long title inside the book. However, for publications that we classify as novels, we require a match of publication title and work title. So a book like Annotated Wizard of Oz, Definitive Frankenstein, and so on --supposing we book the main work as a novel-- requires a new and matching NOVEL title record. We always ignore the interior title page, or heading, of the one work in the novel publication that we classify as a novel. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:35, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Not if the title page does not carry the matching title - and especially in cases with subtitles. We see that a lot more with NON-FICTION where US and UK tend to use different subtitles - so we have two ways to handle - subtitle-less title with pub titles having their subtitles or variants (I vastly prefer the first approach...). In this case, the "we record as on the title page" comes into play -- and because it will differ only by subtitle, it is not even a weird case. Annotated and Definitive are different because the title is not changed with a subtitle. Differences because of subtitles does not even register for the "different pub and title" report exactly for that reason. My gut feeling here is that we can drop the subtitle on the novel to match what is on the title page and we are good to go but let me think a bit more on that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:56, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Considering the reported Contents titles and the publisher description at Amazon, the novel should be presented in the book as "The Text of <i>The Time Machine</i>". More completely, pp ix-x should be in the arabic numbered pagespan (pages -1 and 0) with the preceding leaf a title page for the first main section of the book as "Authoritative Text". That is, in the format of our publication record (from the previous contributor, perhaps Fixer's assistant, modified by me):<br />
:: -3 — Authoritative Text [title page, first main section]<br />
:: -1 - A Note on the Text [essay by Arata under this heading]<br />
:: 1 - The Text of The Time Machine [novel by Wells begins under this heading, or following this interior title page for the novel]<br />
::: The cited WorldCat record [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/181139351 OCLC: 181139351] provides an ample Contents list, perhaps from the book rather than pre-publication. While the actual pagination shows that "A Note on the Text" and "The Text of ''The Time Machine''" are not clearly presented as the two sections in the first major section Authoritative Text, nevertheless "The Text of ''The Time Machine''" is my best guess for the interior name of the text of the novel. (Certainly I expected that any heading for the novel would include "An Invention", but I now guess that it doesn't.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:58, 30 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: I would just make it "The Time Machine" quite honestly. We skip things like "A Novel" and so on. "The Text of" goes into the same category for me. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:44, 1 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Stolen Bacillus and Other Incidents ==<br />
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Hello. Just checking that you presume March 1896, instead of the 1986 currently in the notes of your submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4636649 here]? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:40, 4 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Good catch. I will restrain the urge to say a lot and say only a little. That is one of the User:Bluesman notes. I skimmed but didn't read.<br />
: Maybe more than a little. The cited WorldCat record notes "... at end dated March 1896." I would have supposed that at least so much would have beeen transferred to ISFDB by copy-paste, but I would have supposed wrong. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:44, 4 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for confirming :) I've accepted, and leave it to you to update the notes as you see fit ! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:19, 4 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Picture of Dorian Gray - Gold Mark symbol? ==<br />
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Hello. I've put your submission on hold for a moment, as I've posted a question over at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#German_Gold_Mark_standard_symbol.3F Rules and Standards Discussion] on which symbol to use for the Gold Mark. Thanks for your patience, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:29, 5 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: OK. I will refrain from more such. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:03, 5 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. I'll proceed with ℳ1.60 and ℳ3.20; also replace M with ℳ where I see it in use for pre-war Tauchnitz Editions. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:04, 8 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== LCCN formats ==<br />
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Both the long (07004758) and the short (07-4758) formats lead to the same place on LCCN so we do not enforce the usage of one over the other. Swapping for the one you prefer (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?569774 here] may lead to someone swapping in the other direction -- so careful with that. I approved it because of all the other changes but heads up - especially in books with verifiers (as this one had none, I just approved it) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:06, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Ok. I know from Rtrace that he entered leading zeroes in field External IDs by mistake for a while, before learning that that field handles the hyphen just as manual hyperlinks do. But I don't know that of anyone else. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:17, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Red Room and Other Stories ==<br />
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I removed all without page numbers from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359854 here] as per your note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4659809 here] - it would have caused quite a lot of alerts in the cleanup reports if I had left it this way. While this worked, in case you need 22 items, adding that many and then cleaning may not be the best way to do things - importing only the correct essays and stories would have made more sense - and would have been less likely to have been forgotten downstream. I think it is all cleaned up now but take another look again anyway. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:27, 24 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Excerpts naming ==<br />
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I approved your rename of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?97318 this one] so I can catch the note (it was reject + edit or approve + edit so it did not matter). When the excerpt has its own name, we add the notes of what it is an excerpt of in the notes, not in the title. You can add them both in the title note and the publication note if you want to but the title of the record should be as close to "as is" as we can. We don't even add the word excerpt if the excerpt has its own name. Thanks![[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:17, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: "(excerpt)" alone should of course mean that the name is unchanged --although that sensible convention is commonly breached. The convention you note is either a new one or another that is commonly breached.<br />
: If I think clearly at this late hour, on the convention you describe all 447 titles that contain "(excerpt from" and all 18 that contain "(extract from" are violations. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:04, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: It is an old rule - how strict we enforce it is a different story... We generally do not add any embellishments/disambiguations to a title unless the title as printed is confusing or unclear - thus adding excerpt on the ones where the title match or adding the book name on Introductions and adding part x of y on serials. In the cases where the name is unique, we go by what the book says. <br />
:: Not necessarily for the 447+18 titles - if the title page of the story in the book has the words "excerpt of...", the record here will have it as well. A lot of books note this on the contents/title pages so chances are that a lot of these are actually in policy. But yes - some will be against the rules. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:29, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: If the story heading (or title page in some cases, Contents list in some cases) is "Magic Circle (excerpt)" or "Magic Mirror (abridged)" then our title should use capital E or A. <br />
:::: Technically - yes. But we have a lot of capitalization issues in the DB :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: You suggest to me another class of listings that is on my someday list (ask about this someday). Where a listing/heading is such as "''from'' Magic Circle" or "excerpt from ''Magic Circle''" or "Extract of 'Magic Circle'" --rather than appended parentheses-- do we now recommend "Magic Circle (excerpt)"? If so then story titles that begin with lowercase "from" are deprecated, to be replaced someday? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:14, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: If the book uses a specific name, we use that name. <br />
:::: The exact section from the help page relevant here is "If the excerpt has a different title that the work from which it is excerpted, use that title. Otherwise, use the title of the excerpted work, but add " (excerpt)" to the end; e.g. "A Feast for Crows (excerpt)".". So if the title in the book is "Extract of 'Magic Circle'", we use that. If the title in the book is 'Magic Circle', then we add (excerpt). Same rule as with Introductions - you add the book name only if the generic title is used. If the book has the title as "Introduction: Some Other Text", we keep the title as is. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: And yeah - technically a story name cannot start with a small letter... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Author language ==<br />
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When you find a pseudonym like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?312712 this one], it will be a good idea to also add the language to the pseudonym to match its parent. I did it here but thought I should mention it. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:33, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Yes you should. I wasn't aware that we complete any field but "Directory Entry". Was English entered by default as my default language? or the language of the work in which illustration as by Alvin-Correa was published? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:54, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep - if your default language is English and you save the page, English is assigned. In this case as you just did a pseudonym and never saved the page, it had no language - so I just added it. It was not wrongly set - it was just empty. A few years ago we went through figuring out the languages of every title in the DB -- we still have a lot of authors with no language - so I tend to try to set them when I land on one without. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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COVERART by this artist Henrique Alvim Corrêa {{a|205286}}:<br />
: For this artist we now have 8? COVERART --reporting use of 4? different 1906 interior illustrations on 21st century book covers-- now booked as variants of the original INTERIORART (multiple illustrations of 1906 French-language The War of the Worlds). If I recall correctly, that relation should be stated in COVERART notes, with one parent COVERART for each of the distinct original interior illustrations used on a cover, date of the earliest known use on a cover (regardless whether that earliest book is an edition of The War of the Worlds; one of the earliest uses is not).<br />
: If I understand correctly, it's necessary to break each of these variant relations as a first step (top half of "Make Variant Title"), only later as a second step (second Make Variant Title) create new parent COVERART as by Henrique Alvim Corrêa where appropriate. '''So I submit a batch of "break variant", as it were.'''<br />
: --probably done for the day, as it's late here and I need to eat. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:54, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I need to reread the first part of the question later because I am not sure I get it. Interiorart CAN be a parent if this is what was used first. <br />
:: However, you do not need to first break a variant when changing parents - the moment you submit a new makeVariant, it will replace the old value so you do not need to remove first. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Macmillan Company ==<br />
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Hello. I have some difficulty parsing your updated notes on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?27541 The Macmillan Company].<br />
*The notes now state, in part, ''June 1896 to mid-20th century''. This seems to contradict the note ''The Macmillan Company, ... now carried on by Macmillan & Co ... The Independent ... (1896-02-28)'' which to me means to say that The Macmillan Company as name ceased to exist in 1896, and thus, in fact, did '''not''' carry on till mid-20th century.<br />
: No, 'The MacMillan Company' is just now incorporated in New York. That report date is 1896-05-28 (in some New York publication 'The Independent', I am sure, not the famous newspaper 'The Independent'). I gloss over unknown daily details and suppose that The Macmillan Company, newly incorporated in New York probably sometime late May 1896, should be the publisher of record from June 1896.<br />
*The statement '' ...report macmillan and Co. for US editions published by the Macmillans to 1896.'' Does that mean to say that for US editions published by the Macmillans ''''after'''' 1896 have to be reported under Macmillan and Co.?<br />
Thanks for clarifying. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:53, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: No, it means through May 1896, glossing over the unknown daily details.<br />
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: I have considered a thorough re-write of publisher Notes for The Macmillan Company (US, from May/June 1896) and Macmillan and Co. (unitary to May/Jun 1896). The old notes by the one who shouts 'DO NOT MERGE' have become less relevant, and it may be possible to eliminate these two, for the two earlier of four Macmillan publisher names that have been used heavily. Your note makes me think the time to rewrite is now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:53, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I don't have much time Tuesdays. I expect I will submit no more, and maybe less, than continuation on the four works whose publication records you approved just before this publisher update. --<br />
::: Please do! You're much more knowledgeable than I in these things :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 00:58, 10 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: I will try improve the situation today; far short of completion, or what I had hoped in early June, because it's so complicated. Unfortunately there is no consistent practice such as: name New York first on the title page if the printer is in the United States.<br />
:::: As I also vowed to Rtrace, i need to get back to other incomplete work here, and withdraw from focus on century old Macmillan publications, after the Ides of June [today, if that's Greek to you]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:14, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of the Masque ==<br />
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In Your submitted collection [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?778464 here] there is a link "title page" that leads to nothing. Can You please make a correction? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 03:44, 14 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Submitted. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:50, 14 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: HI. I hope you, or we, are not generally using the new "Webpages" field to replace curated links in the Notes. Is this a one-time thing or a general effort? (I have also asked moderator Rtrace about this.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:35, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: It is still the same link though - it is not a generic link to the site. Or is your complaint that it is not embedded anymore? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:53, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: [1] It's a generic linkname "Webpages" and [1b] buried in the top part of the page (albeit blue ink helps). A meaningful linkname "Title page view" would be acceptable there, altho the note should then be revised, eg "title page" => "title page (above)"<br />
::: [2] It removes context --altho I don't know that would be done generally.<br />
::: (Commonly I do link the title page simply, as Zapp zapped here. Commonly the note is substantial, as title page: "Lawrence and Bullen". I don't know why I didn't say that here, as I was at work (not yet complete) unifying our use of publisher name "Lawrence & Bullen".) <br />
::: [0] It is a Permanent Link, a redirect to the babel address of the title page image. ISFDB should always use URL promoted as Permanent, eh? So we should always link hdl.handle.net rather than babel.hathitrust.org right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:12, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: '''P.S.''' Annie or Zapp. I submitted an update that restores and amplifies the Note; also does preserve the use of the Webpages field (with a Permanent Link as its URL value)--for those who may be harvesting or otherwise relying auto-maton-ically on its use. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:15, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: So we have a few different problems here:<br />
::::* The link was not just moved but replaced. That you will need to take up with Zapp - he is usually good at just moving links so not sure what happened here. Chances are that we have a Europe/US thing going on again and there was a problem with the other link from his side?<br />
::::* The notes left behind were not adjusted for the moved link -- that I am with you on -- if a link/ID is moved, the notes around it need to be adjusted so the flow and meaning of the notes is not lost. However - your notes, while very detailed, can be extremely hard to parse and understand sometimes (even when one is used to them) so chances are that people do not see some links as vital to the structure - especially when they were on their own on a line. Which may explain what happened here.<br />
:::: Part of why we have the webpages on publications now is to minimize the links (and heavy html) in notes and to make it easier for non-technical editors to edit - you may be comfortable with html but not everyone is. :) Some links will need to stay (because they illustrate a point and do not really work as a link for the whole publication) but a link to a version of the publication certainly belongs to the links (even if you point just to the title page, it is effectively a link to the complete text). <br />
:::: The Web Pages collect all kinds of links - the same way the ones on the author level does -- it can be full text reproductions, it can be sources which do not have external IDs, it can be the publisher page for the book, it can be anything else. If you have a proposal to allow each link to also have a "label", propose it over in the Community forum... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:30, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::: (after edit conflict) I believe the current practice is to move the URLs linking to data sources from the notes into the Webpages multifield, when encountered (without altering the notes' meaning, of course, and clearly referring to the webpages field - akin to what you're proposing ie ''see title page (above)'', or similar). I do use it myself because I find it very handy - all links in the same place, not cluttering the notes. The tooltip help also says ''URL of a web site about this publication'' (not the work), so I think the link -does- belong there. I agree that the update by Zapp could be more precise, but as far as I'm concerned, and apart from that minor hiccup, not wrong. Now because English is not my mother tongue I may have misunderstood, but to me al this means the webpages field could/should be used to include all kinds of links to information about this particular publication. If you feel we're moving in the wrong direction with this field, it might be best to perhaps start a discussion over at the Community Portal (or R&S) to clarify its use? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:35, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Ugh, should have read Annie's reply firts - it looks I'm rehashing her arguments... [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:36, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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* Title page is always so important here (officially) --and images of commonly important facing page and verso ("copyright page") routinely easy to access from a title page image-- that it's hard to understand why we would dump a link to that one into the potpourri.<br />
: You are looking at it in the reverse. It is not that we want to dump it in the mix of other links; it is that when it is inside of the notes, it is very very hard for non-technical editors to fix anything even when they have a correction. If you want the title pages to be specifially linked somewhere (when available), propose that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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* Are we now using the publication Webpages field for linking to Project Gutenberg Ebooks (either top pages, as in the link that is buried by default down in the left margin of Publication view, or HTML views directly)? I expect that that would be a great help to casual users of the site, as opposed to we accomplished editors in our occasional visits as users. No doubt Amazon would be useful to many casual users too, and newer editors. <br />
: '''No because Project Gutenberg books are considered separate publications in the DB - so linking them from the hc book is simply wrong.''' They get automatically linked from the left menu when you go to their respective publications. Archive.org and similar pure digitization non-OCR projects are a different matter - those are linked from the publication page indeed as they give you the "book" and not just the text. Feel free to reopen the discussion on Gutenberg if you want... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: (emphasis added) No, no, I mean use the new "Webpages" field, in our publication record of the Gutenberg ebook, rather than rely on a link named "Project Gutenberg" that is buried down in the left margin of the browser window, outside of the publication records display. As we display Amazon links that generated by value of ISBN field, rather than ASIN field, in the left margin outside of the browser window. <br />
:: Thanks for your replies. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:40, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Ah, sorry, apparently I misread or misunderstood the question. No - the old rules apply - if we already have a link on the left side deriving from the same value or as an external ID, we do not add it to the web pages as well. We need to make these links on the left more prominent especially for Gutenberg books but... not sure how and where to stick them. <br />
::: The Amazon left side links uses an ASIN link to Amazon actually - via the ISBN. So for all 978- ISBNs it works as a charm; so it does for any paper book with ISBN10. The newer books with ISBN-13 starting with 979? Not so much - and for them instead of ISBN10 as an ASIN (which cannot be calculate), Amazon adds B* ASINS - so we record these as ASIN. :) And the ebooks ISBN links don't lead where you want them to. So if Amazon issues an ASIN starting with B, we record that separately, regardless if there is an ISBN; if it does not, then the ASIN is the same as ISBN10 so we have that covered. Always fun when our links change their behaviour... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:51, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
(aside) I wonder whether this was my first edit conflict at "home"? I haven't had much traffic here since Mhhutchins completed the mentoring. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:09, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I suspect it has more to do with most editors being too scared of your notes to edit them :) More seriously though - you tend to work in areas that almost noone else touches and you tend to clean your links -- which rarely leaves work for someone else on these records. I had been here a few times for clarifications but most of the times your notes are clean enough. It is a community project and the only way for it to work is to discuss things. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
Sorry, I noticed this discussion not earlier as now. My English not so fluent to understand all of Your writings exactly. But I didn't want to upset anybody. Thinking about I should have put the webpage link redirecting to the beginning of the scan [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t1pg1wv9s&view=1up&seq=1 here] since the title page was alredy linked in notes. I guess it is useful to find a scanned publication in total using this link or to have an alternative external ID there when there is no one preset. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 15:36, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Hi Zapp. OK. AnnieMod and MagicUnk provided me good explanations. I have a followup at your page. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 19 June 2020 (EDT) ... Done. <br />
:: Concerning the '''link to title page image in Notes''' [1] Sometimes I do fashion that as "-- <u>title page</u>" alone on one line. Probably I shouldn't, because that may invite removal. For the 1st ed. ''Tales of the Masque'' P{{p|778464}}, since your first visit I have extended that line with "red and black, as "Lawrence and Bullen" (commonly '&') with Bull logo". [2] If you do remove the link, it's best to leave unlinked text in the Notes with instruction, such as "title page (linked above)", rather than to delete the former linkname. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Laurence Alma Tadema ==<br />
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{{A|Laurence Alma-Tadema}} currently contains no credits under that name (with the dash). Will you be adding any? If not, instead of establishing an alternate name for {{A|Laurence Alma Tadema}} (without the dash), I will make that the canonical name. The canonical name should a form that was published. The "true" name would go into the legal name field. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:49, 21 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I composed, then deleted, a long Note to Moderator --MagicUnk anticipated-- either here, or AuthorUpdate, or when submitting the publication Note for the 2015 ebook P{{p|779904}} (see the last bullet point).<br />
: It occurs to me that I should check (? Contento and/or Locus) for the three 2010s publications. ...<br />
: JLT, I think you should hold overnight. FWIW below is what I composed/drafted early this hour :--) before moving up here. ('FWIW' doesn't mean you need to read it.) I need exercise and food break, maybe can't get back today (Sunday here). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:22, 21 June 2020 (EDT) <br />
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: I consider Laurence Alma Tadema the better choice. Certainly she <br />
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: I don't know that Alma-Tadema is a legal name, only that it is the canonical name of the writer here and there, and the canonical name of her father the visual artist here and there. Of course our Legal Name field is full of such.<br />
: I do not have a confirmed publication as by Laurence Alma-Tadema. Nor do we/I have a confirmed publication as by "L. Alma-Tadema", whose report I believe spurious. Among 5 publications of the work/story in 5 publications of the 1886 anthology, this is the only confirmed name-as-credited. <br />
: Publication as Laurence Alma-Tadema is not unlikely in the three 2010s publications of the anthology by Leonaur Ltd. Unfortunately the two ISBN are not found at WorldCat and "Look inside" the 2015 ebook does not resolve<br />
* '''"The Contents list comprises linked story titles and story section numbers, no author names. There is no opening essay. Editor Henry Norman, and authors of the opening poem and first story, are credited here as in the 1886 US edition. There may be differences elsewhere."'''<br />
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::I merged them together under {{A|Laurence Alma Tadema}}. If you find publications with alternate credits, we can revisit. But for now, we will make due based on the credits we have in the database at the moment. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:40, 22 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Good! I check in 24 hours later to ask you to go ahead.<br />
::: I much prefer "Laurence Alma Tadema" myself, but that would be true even if 2010s publishers were hyphenating that name. And even if "L. Alma-Tadema" were confirmed genuine rather than spurious. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:58, 22 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Note to self ==<br />
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created 2022-03-23 23:46 [EDT]<br />
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Exceptionally complex "Note [singular] to self" : cut-paste as new [[User:Pwendt/comeback]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:08, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Readers union HTML issue ==<br />
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Hi. I approved the submissions & saw the problem but left it for the morning to figure out when less tired. Fixed now[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?50412]. Noted solution on moderator board, simple but not immediately obvious.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 11:30, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Book of Lamps and Banners ==<br />
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I don't see that you are changing anything with this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5303231 submission]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:57, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: The queue is a bit long. I corrected some UK publ from Mulholland Books / Little, Brown and Company but one PVerified book was a leftover. In reply to my notice (another problem too) verifier merged the publishers, he explains [[User:Willem H.#The Revisionists]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:22, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I understand, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:42, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kiki Strike books ==<br />
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"Kiki Strike" is the series, so while it may appear on the title page, it's not actually part of the title. It's not uncommon to include the series title on the title page with the book title. I've rejected these submissions: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337912 The Empress's Tomb] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337933 Inside the Shadow City]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:42, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Book 2 ''The Empress's Tomb'' in UK softcover, I improved and resubmitted, now in the queue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5348988]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:37, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Same for Book 1 ''Inside the Shadow City'' in US softcover reissue, now in the queue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350597]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:17, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Eerie Book (2) ==<br />
: ''directly concerning the 1981 Castle Books edition''; cf. [[#The Eerie Book]]<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?487344; I replaced the cover that I believe you added because it's clearly the same cover, but the one I used was less faded and didn't have a time stamp on the bottom. Then a PV wrote an extra note today about the "showed" cover (I think they meant "shown") possibly not being the correct cover because it was added post-PV. So can you verify it's the same (which it clearly is by looking at it) so that note can be removed? --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:05, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Hi. 2020 PV Anniemod (and moderator for my work on the 1898 edition, who cooperated on the title records) has pursued the matter further. Related: I revised the heading and inserted a cross-reference, above.<br />
: Do you have Internet Archive subscription to make use of publication links for full interior views of all(?) books at Archive.org? <br />
: In effect, I am away for ten days, thru this weekend.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:13, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Don't bother; it's a dumb discussion about some supposed cover color difference which doesn't actually exist. The important thing is I've added a link to the Archive's copy of the 1981 reprint edition, because the Archive's copies of the original 1898 edition have the library stamp hole-punched through most of the illustrations, making them useless for printing out, while the reprint's illustrations are untouched. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:04, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Doll Who Came Alive ==<br />
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You wrote extensive notes for this book in 2017, for 1942 and 1972 editions, with a lot of questions about dates and such, and I just saw that someone uploaded a copy to Archive.org in 2020, https://archive.org/details/dollwhocamealive0000treg, which is a 4th printing/impression, in case that helps you to clear up any questions and add/fix info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:10, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks! Now what is that once-used Archive.org password? :--( <br />
: Linknotes to Self: Editor {{a|Elizabeth Yates}} <br />
: Editions (1st pr) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?612880 as 1942-09-17] (no image) (LO, Kirkus, newspapers, ABEbooks w/images) <br />
: 2nd ed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?612914 as 1972-08] (front cover) (LO, Kirkus[again], Amazon --dnf newspapers)<br />
: Archive.org [https://archive.org/details/dollwhocamealive0000treg/page/n1/mode/2up 1942 ed, 4th printing] i1 front jacket [signed 'NSU'] w/flap; i83 back jacket<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:51, 26 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== An Enemy at Green Knowe ==<br />
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Hi Pwendt<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5390921 submission] to clone this book to add a new publication record for a 1977-05-31 Puffin printing. There is already an existing 1977 Puffin [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260813 publication record], that seems like it may be the record you are attempting to add. Do you have evidence that Puffin did two printings in 1977? If not, you should update the existing record rather than create a new one. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:13, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Ron, you are right. 1977 Puffin update is now in the queue as 5394619 5394620 (two).<br />
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== Title and publication date alignment ==<br />
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Just a reminder. Don't forget that when you update the publication date, you also have to submit the update of the title dates in the Contents section accordingly. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:32, 31 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Did I overlook some Publication Update that predates one of its Title records? That would have been my oversight. <br />
: I suppose we continue to accept title date such as 1968-00-00 with publication date such as 1968-09-16. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:34, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Missing country ==<br />
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Just a gentle reminder that we are an international site so "Raised in Rochester, New York" should be "Raised in Rochester, New York, USA" :) I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5642 here] but do not forget to add the country when adding cities and other locations. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:10, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Is that reasonable even for New York and England?<br />
: New York City and London are common on our publisher pages, without even identifying New York and England. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:20, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: There are a lot of Londons [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_(disambiguation) out there]. There are also quite a lot of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York#Places New Yorks]. If we allow an exception for one language/2 countries, we will need to do it for others as well and it will end up in a convoluted set of rules. So let's keep it simple and not make exceptions and just always list the country. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:34, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: PS: Just because the practice is not always followed (especially in the past) does not mean that we cannot do better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:35, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dolittle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295530; I added/fixed stuff for this recently; it was just approved and then the mod wrote me to say that the note about corrupt record should be removed now, but since it seems you're the one that wrote it I'll leave it up to you to decide whether to do that, since I'm not sure what it means or whether it's still relevant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:31, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: By the way, it's "Dolittle" as in Doctor, Do Little.<br />
: Thanks, I will do that. From the record I see that you corrected imprint, page count, caps & spelling; not price. Newly you provided Image, Webpage, month from t.p. verso (as you Noted), and *US price from front cover* (Image). Is that right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:40, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: That's right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:14, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Literary Wonderlands ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5461654; I made some minor fixes and added the Archive link, which may help you flesh out your work on this book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:34, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== B Magical ==<br />
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I'm holding your 6 submissions re: the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29524 B Magical] series. I understand what you want to do. The most efficient way is as follows.<br />
# Make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?147723 Lexi Connor] an alternate name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?126269 Julie Berry].<br />
# These two submissions are fine [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5450459 The Chocolate Meltdown] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5450467 The Superstar Sister].<br />
# Cancel the fours submissions breaking the variant relationship in the other four titles. Just edit each of the existing parent titles. Change the author to Julie Berry & correct the title.<br />
If we break the variants as you submitted, we will need to delete the 4 empty parent title records and then create four new parent titles. Does this make sense? If you agree, do step 1 and 3, post here and I will process all seven edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:46, 22 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: But we need 10 variant titles as by Lexi Connor, right? Six under the canonical-title and four under alt-titles. The six and the four all need to be variants, as by Lexi Connor, of NOVEL parents by Julie Berry that have no publications. <br />
: That is, I am following the previous approach, without questioning it. You suggest that previous editors should not have created parents with <i>Spelling B</i> book titles, unless willing to do the work of adding those presumable first editions to the database? (I didn't notice last fortnight that we have 4 of 10 NOVEL records with no publications in the database; simply undertook to make Julie Berry parents of all 10 Lexi Connor title records.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:57, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Three points --not aligned with your three steps, so I make them unnumbered bullet items.<br />
:* Procedure for adding titles from Amazon. Perhaps it's proper with a work that is new at ISFDB --given earlier publication under a known different title (I presume that was known by our Amazon team member, and I haven't yet confirmed the fact of <i>Spelling B</i> publication)-- the publication reported by Amazon should be added under its publication title and date; and a parent should be created under the known 1st ed. data --presuming that that will be added later.<br />
::* Now I have located WorldCat records of stories #1-4 under original titles ''Spelling B ...'' (OCLC 277204477 , 501300482 , 560344104 , 794059493 as 4 print books; beside 4 ebooks).<br />
::* Whatever the usual procedure[*], I think it's reasonable here to make ''The Missing Magic'' and other short titles canonical (as by Julie Berry, with 1st ed. publication dates as title dates, of course). Essentially, the original series name was replaced after issue of 4 stories thus. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:14, 23 October 2022 (EDT) <br />
:* On the technical point: I know revision of parent title from ID ###1 to ###2 (a different parent) or to 0 (no parent; not a child). Is it possible using only the bottom half of the Make Variant screen (Option 2 : If the parent title does not exist, enter the title information below to create it.) to replace an existing variant relation at once?<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5450467 The Superstar Sister] isn't fine. It makes "2nd of several" a publication Note; should be Note to Moderator.<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:52, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Take a look at the result after I processed the seven edits outlined above. I didn't edit the title field as you stated they were correct (hasty assumption on my part). I simply changed the author in the parent titles to the canonical name. Isn't the result what you were aiming for? I left the four variant submissions on hold for you to cancel. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:37, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: No, I was taking the first step toward 16 NOVEL records: 6 as by JB with no publications; and the original 10 as by LC (created 2011 by Mhhutchins) as variants of the 6. Step zero, make variants of all 6 Mhh parent records, could not be submitted while those were parents. <br />
:::: But I do see your point. And the 10 NOVEL records now in the database, after your session-10-23, do match 10 of my 16 targets. Your implied advice: ADD the 1st ed. stories (''Spelling B ...'' as by Lexi Connor) as 4 new NOVEL submissions; later make them variants as appropriate. Until then --if and when you get around to adding them as Publications-- we don't need (and perhaps avoid by policy) such variant Titles without publications. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:39, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: As you continue to work on these, you might find [https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%28lexi%20connor%29 this] useful. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:46, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Canceled the quartet. Suggestion noted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:55, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
(unindent)John, With reference to the previews at archive.org, just now I added (submissions 5465337-40) 1st ed., 1st printings of books 1-4 as New Novels ''Spelling B ...'' by Lexi Connor. Later I will proofread comparatively; make variants; consider parent Titles annotation and redate.<br />
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Do you generally find such scans by site search at archive.org? Or by another route? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:10, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Submissions 5465337 thru 5465340 have been approved as is since you will be editing all of them. Let me know when the next round is ready for review.<br />
:* I added "(unindent)" to your post as is our practice.<br />
:* I search archive.org directly. In this case, I used metadata 'Advanced Search'. I use url searching when I wish to see the state of a given website as it existed at a specific time.<br />
: Thanks for your hard work on these, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:15, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Now submissions 5465647-48 and 50-51; 5465728-31 --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:41, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Submissions approved. The following items need attention. Missing juvenile flags for all 2011 & 2012 titles (8 titles). Fix case: 'With' is only capitalized if the first or last word of a title (2 titles, 1 pub title). Fix case: 'Spelling B and the missing magic' (1 title, 1 pub title). Submit edits for the above and anything else you see, then consider the following. Did you notice that the archive had both the 2010 and 2011 printings of 'Spelling B and the Runaway Spell'? The title pages are identical. Shouldn't the pub titles and titles records be the same? Thoughts? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:09, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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=== To Do list === <br />
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# Pwendt, 10:36:21 EDT (quote as [nowiki]) <nowiki>Note to Moderator: 1st of 4; later<br> • child #1 needs capital Ms (NOVEL and COVERART)<br> • check all child COVERART (import, merge?); juv<br> • expand series Note </nowiki><br />
# Scifibones, 12:09 immediately above<br />
# 2011 eds. as ''B Magical:'' are now indb as 144 pages; #1 pb, #2-4 unknown; #5 pb; #6 pb £3.74<br />
# 2011 eds. #3-4 at archive.org (not known to hold scans of 2011 eds. #1-2 and 5-6):<br />
:* back covers state C$6.99, or Canada-only $1 price cut<br />
:* #3 1st printing, "This edition first printing, April 2011"; #4 2nd printing, "This edition first printing, May 2011" (not July)<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:37, 27 October 2022 (EDT) </font><br />
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== The Girl with the Broken Wing ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5458626 this submission]. Your source identifies the format as 'pbk' yet you made it hc. What am I missing? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:22, 22 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, the two ISBN are ISBN-13 and ISBN-10 for the same publication, unusually with duplicate "(pbk.) : £4.99". Not the usual, noteworthy, "first of two ISBN". Maybe I can find a WorldCat record {{done}} ... before I re-write and resubmit. {{done}}<br />
: New submission 5462997 is intended to be identical except format, to your point; linked WorldCat record; and Note, bullet-point layout with revised first bullet point. Please compare before you approve one and delete the other. That's the procedure, I presume. <br />
: (Thanks for your attention here. This is one I would not catch on proofread of My Recent Edits.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:27, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I approved the revised submission, but left the original for you to cancel. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:07, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: {{done}} --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:55, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Space Travel ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5474863 This book] will only be eligible if it illustrates fiction or is related to fiction. From what I can see, this is not the case. Can you share some more details about it? Thanks!<br />
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PS: We have a lot of non-fiction books in the DB which were entered under a different set of rules (based on having reviews in our magazines). We are slowly cleaning them up - the current rule is that the non-fiction books we add (which includes art books) should be related to speculative fiction or to books about speculative fiction. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:29, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: It doesn't belong in the database by that criterion. Perhaps I should note all 7 from last fortnight (6 pub update or clone, because the other six works were already here in US eds. if not UK eds.) at Community Portal. ... = seven 1953 UK books reviewed together as "Getting Ready for Blast-Off" by Charles Daly, The Observer 1954-01-10, p7.<br />
: To be continued, not today but mid-November(?). Use HOLD for now? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:52, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: We know this one is out so I may as well reject it and if I catch the others, I can clean up the copies we have and get them out as well... Let me know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:55, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: All those will be in the queue from -10-31 give or take a day. Dirk J Broer approved all the associated AuthorUpdate from not much earlier.<br />
::: I think I mentioned that it looks to me {{a|Willy Ley}} is someone in the database and deemed above the threshold for what is literally non-fiction. That is, for voluminous exobiology or cryptozoology, not presented as fiction. <br />
::: We also have such works as ''Flying Saucers Have Landed'' --presented as non-fiction but some who call themselves real scientists would call it fraudulent, rather than merely fanciful. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:44, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: We had had a lot of different rules through the years - and we have a LOT of non-fiction that needs deleting. If it is published as science and the person who wrote it believed it to be science, it is out. That also applies to UFOs, ghosts, alien abductions, other creatures, religion book and so on- unless it was published and meant to be fiction, it is not eligible. Look at our [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Included Included section of the ROA] - the non-fiction is only eligible under points 3 and 4. If it does not tie to fiction in some ways, it is out :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:53, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: So is there anything that will qualify it into the DB or should I reject the submission (or you can) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 23:39, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: I "cancel" the submission based on our discussion and ROA (linked above). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:13, 4 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Lost City ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5486056; While searching Google Images for cover image an ISFDB page came up, Pwendt/later, where you wrote about this book. Apparently the LoC copy was uploaded in 2017, very shortly after you entered this book, so after my edit's approved I'm sure you can add/fix more stuff. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Re your Note to Moderator: NOVEL edit history shows that I re-dated as 1883-00-00 when (2016-11-08 relocation from the publ record) I noted the original 11-part serial beginning 1883-10-30. NOVEL date should be first publication as a book. <br />
: Re the title page fib "1885": Sometime during my two-year pandemic absence there was ISFDB Wiki resolution, I believe, to augment the publication Date field, where we know that the actual and stated dates differ. Report both 1884-12-20 and 1885 in this instance. But augmentation hasn't been done. Usually (more recently?) I have put the publication date from the title leaf in the single field we have now.<br />
: Thanks. I will return to this one, as you suggest. Then I will re-layout as a bullet list (ie, with ul- and li-tags). Also I will insert my habitual opening lines for such cases: <br />
* '''1st ed. as a book''' (alluding to the 1883 serial; details in title record) <br />
* '''Published for the 1884 [Christmas][holiday][gift] season as 1885.''' (details in source note below)<br />
: Evidently I settled on the latter note, with 1885 in the Date field, sometime after this 2016/17 work. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:22, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ghostly Business ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514268; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514274; After these edits are approved you may want to see if you can add anything further. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. Evidently someone with a blue pen thought the bookcover windows and lights needed enhancement.<br />
: What is your criterion for adding a link to Archive.org (Webpages) or to OpenLibrary.org (External IDs)? I suppose your first submission is the fruit of exploration at the former website; and the second submission, exploration at the latter. <br />
: Just now I read this OL information page: [https://openlibrary.org/dev/docs/api/covers Open Library Covers API]. That may be useful to me occasionally. Too bad I didn't know it before the pandemic shutdown. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:59, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I used to add mostly OL ID, probably thousands of them in all, with an occasional Archive link added for one reason or another because I know that many of the non-public domain books aren't supposed to be on the Archive in the first place so I let people see the link on the OL page and decide whether they want to go to the Archive copy, but over the last few months with the server move here creating a huge mess and ISFDB-friendly sites like Amazon, WorldCat and others completely re-designing their sites it's a waste of time trying to do anything properly, so I just add mostly Archive links now with an occasional OL ID added for one reason or another. I've got about a thousand pending edits at the moment so if things go as planned and I leave here for awhile those should keep mods busy for a long time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:15, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Note to self again ==<br />
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Current contents of this page User talk:Pwendt <br />
: 001–002 : April 2015<br />
: 003–056 : Sep 2015 to Apr 2016 (8 months; about half the page by length)<br />
: 057–155 : May 2016 to Jun 2020<br />
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: 156–171 : Mar 2022 to Dec 2022 (May to Dec, essentially)<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:44, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?365842 Earwig and the Witch] ==<br />
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Hi! This has the note 'Evidently shorter than 15,000 words' (it's a bit unclear who added this), but this should lead into the transformation into a CHAPBOOK / SHORTFICTION: with this length it's a novelette. There's now a German translation out with 107 pages and many illustrations, which lead me to this title. Anything against the conversion? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:10, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Evidently that note item is mine. (First word "evidently" is evidence; last word evidently, probably, etc, would be stronger evidence.) Probably I counted words on one page only, and guessed the mass of illustrations, etc.<br />
: By the way, I don't know how to convert efficiently for a multiply published novel. What sequence of submissions? So go ahead and do it. Tell me the sequence if convenient. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:42, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks! Will do. If you come across this problem some time later, you'd have to change the NOVEL title to a SHORTFICTION one, and then, somewhat regrettably, one has to edit change all the publications into CHAPBOOKs (meaning you also will have to add a CHAPBOOK title to each one of them, so that each of the publications has a fitting container title). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:37, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== King of the Golden River ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?615941; https://archive.org/details/kingofgoldenrive0000rusk_b0c0; Library edition uploaded in Dec. of 2020 (there's a little label on the back cover), in case you want to enter it like I assume you did for the regular Greenwillow edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:30, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Annotated Snark ==<br />
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Hi, You verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?670586 this publication]. Can You remember the cover, maybe that one to be seen on [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=11418303274 abebooks]? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 07:37, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: I cannot. I should have kept a list of Transient PV from my local public libraries but I did not. Perhaps soon I will learn how to go from the scanner every branch now provides to an image suitable for ISFDB upload. <br />
: Two months ago I foresaw that retracing at local public library branches will be productive for ISFDB coverart image purposes ([[ISFDB:Community Portal#Amazon-hosted cover scans at images/P/]]). I haven't yet tried that and it belongs on the list for this winter.<br />
: It occurs to me also, I should note in publication records whether the verification copy has a dustjacket, same as I note when it does not have the original book cover.<br />
: Thanks for asking. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:32, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I found the right cover in [https://archive.org/details/annotatedsnark0000lewi archive.org], it's the same. I added. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:04, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: Thanks. I expanded my personal table of Primary Verifications (easy now, as only 120 in number) with a few extra columns that I should have used personally from the start, and a few that I would have added recently --concerning "/images/I/" and "/G/" and "/P/". It's only Day 2 and I have my first revision to make, with this image now in the database. And thanks for the price note. <br />
::: I see that you added the image hours after the other work, perhaps because you collect from ABEbooks and others, and manipulate for upload to ISFDB. Do you know that direct links to OpenLibrary.org cover images are acceptable? In this instance: <br />
::: [ <nowiki>https://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/12857132-L.jpg</nowiki> [https://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/12857132-L.jpg 1962 Snark, front dj] ]<br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:00, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Short and Tall Tales ==<br />
Were you planning on setting the non-genre flag as appropriate for the titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?496711 here]? [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5572534 This submission] sparked my curiosity. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:13, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: I don't have any knowledge to tag any story non-genre. I know the 29 mystery novels from #1-3, part of #29, and vaguely one other that is set in Moose County (#5-29). On that basis I confidently amplify what Mhhutchins and Chavey say and assent in the publication note, too briefly and without any Title annotation (all too common). Our later PVerifier is absent since 2015, or I might have asked herm ---who evidently did nothing but scan the record and check the box, by the way. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:46, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574837; The cover art is the same on the HC, which is also on OL/Archive, so if anyone creates a record for that edition the artist will need importing/date will need to be fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I have observed the 1st ed. Beside "non-genre" where appropriate, which requires some reading, all the stories need "short story" length and 2002-10 date --if we retain them in the database. Fix some titles too (&, '). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:44, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-approver status ==<br />
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Self-approver flag has been set on your account as per the consensus [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-nomination_for_self-approver_-_Pwendt on the Community portal]. Congratulations! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:41, 11 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. I vacated for a week after nominating myself last fortnight, but home computer trouble then extended my absence. So far in CoViD--19 era, I do not often work elsewhere, and I don't contribute by handheld phone. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:19, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Clock That Went Backwards ==<br />
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Please do not enter statements into the database like you did [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5604903 here]. All but two of these titles have been verified by active editors. If you have questions about the verifications, ask the verifiers on their talk pages to double check the records. Do not simply add a title note stating their verifications may be erroneous. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:57, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: For a start I have User space inquiries of [[User talk:Markwood]] (5 of the 8 PV) and [[User talk:Dave888]] (2 PV). It seems to me reasonable to wait for replies from both, before writing to remaining verifiers of single editions. For both Markwood and Dave888, I noted that the title notes are already out of date. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:08, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A Little Boy Lost ==<br />
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You had created an entry for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?645583 A Little Boy Lost] a few years ago and gave it date of late 1920 based on advertisements in the papers of the day. I was going down rabbit holes and ran across [https://archive.org/details/sim_publishers-weekly_1920-02-07_97_6/page/388/mode/2up?q=knopf The Publishers Weekly 1920-02-07: Vol 97 Iss 6] which references the Knopf edition for $1.50. I have no idea if it's a different publication or different price and need to come up for air, sanity and scheduled things. Not wanting to just leave it, I thought I'd let you know, without expectations of any kind. Ta ta. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:40, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. Not for attention soon but I expect to catch up with Talk page tidbits sometime. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 08:45, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Perceval Press ==<br />
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I made some edits (5629911, 5629914, 5629915) re: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?53991; I added Archive.org links to both and then corrected page count of Pirates from 177 to 211 (Mammoths really is 177). You wrote extensive notes so after approval you may be able to do some more work on these. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:18, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Man In The Window ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=cohen+man-in-the-window; You may want to know there's a copy of the recent edition also on Archive.org; I don't see a link in the ISFDB record you just worked on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:31, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The 2013 print edition, yes. Thanks.<br />
: Work to be continued (print and ebook). See my Note to Moderator [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5635991] as I take a break, perhaps done for the day. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:40, 13 April 2023 (EDT)</div>
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== ** Very old conversations, that still imply work I need to do ==<br />
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== Tiptree ==<br />
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I guessed the missing graphic titles were "Ooku: The Inner Chambers, volumes 1 & 2" by "Fumi Yoshinaga" and "Y: The Last Man" by "Brian K. Vaughan"? I've added those so they should appear on the annual awards page, and in the latter case on the author's award page. What were the other things you couldn't add? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 16:45, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Oh, and while checking some of the above, I found that in 2007 "Empress of Mijak and The Riven Kingdom" by "Karen Miller" was listed. That looks like ''two'' books to me? <br />
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[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 16:45, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: You're correct about the two graphic novels. We could add them to the database as "exceptions" to the rule about not including graphic novels, or leave them as you have them entered. I'm unsure myself which way to recommend. You were right about "The Riven Kingdom", and I've submitted a NewAward to correct that. I have a few other publications which I'm still working on (going through NewPubs, MergePubs, Variants, etc. before actually entering the awards). The other oddity is a "Special Mention" award given to "Regender", a software program at [http://regender.com/ Regender.com]. The award is mentioned on the Tiptree "[http://tiptree.org/?page_id=142 2005 Long List]", but was presented separately as a "Special Mention" award, along with Nisi Shawl's "Writing the Other", which I'll be adding shortly. Another one that's odd is the "[http://tiptree.org/?page_id=170 Special Honor]" award given in 2009 to L. Timmel Duchamp's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?12721 Marq'ssan Cycle] title series, i.e. to the series, and not to the individual books in the series. By the way, I meet with the Tiptree Committee next weekend, so I'm going to be really pleased to pass on to them what you and I have done here. Thanks! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:28, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: You're welcome - it's always good to work with an enthusiastic editor on a new area. I'll see if we can address the remaining problems before then - if it's a mod-only thing it should be possible, it it requires software changes they'll take a bit longer, we have a bit of a back-log there. But don't let that put you off suggesting stuff! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:07, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: I'm holding off on actually creating any formal Feature Requests, since you're working away at so much of what I've suggested, but eventually I'll turn remaining suggestions into FR's. And I'll admit to being enthusiastic :-) Last night we had our weekly D &amp; D game, and I was showing off the ISFDB &amp; the awards pages to them. They approved, and the Big Time Fan there (3-time Fan GOH at various cons) was particularly impressed. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Oh, and I think you mentioned a ''web page'' that won an award, or is that actually for the software program? I think we'd either treat it as a publication, now some web-based stuff is allowed, or try and allow awards for entire sites, like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?Hu2005 here]. And I'm sure Al von Ruff would like us to be considered for other awards, we haven't won anything for years! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:07, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: That's the "Regender" web page I listed above. It's both a web page and the software behind that page. And while we haven't won anything for Al (et. al.) lately, we did get that great comment in Locus about us being the place to go for such questions! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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(unindent) In related news, I have approved the addition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?353077 ''Writing the Other''] and changed the title type from NONGENRE to NONFICTION. "NONGENRE" is currently limited to non-SF novels, which is somewhat limiting, but it's the best we can do with the current database structure. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:13, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Sounds good. It's of particular interest to writers of spec-fic, so it seems appropriate. It also won a "Special Mention" from the Tiptree Award, one of only two non-fiction books to get such an award (the other being Tiptree's biography). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Another question: Do you happen to know what kind of work "Five Guys Named Moe" by Sean Klein is? You entered is a non-bibliographic award, so I assume that it's a comic or some such. I see that it's listed in the [http://www.locusmag.com/SFAwards/Db/Sidewise2005.html Locus award database] and elsewhere, but there is no indication whether it's prose or something else. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:13, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:It was on online publication, originally hosted on SciFi.com, but they removed all their online writing back in 2007 or so. The short story is still available at the [http://www.lexal.net/scifi/scifiction/originals/originals_archive/klein/klein1.html SciFi.com archive] maintained by other folks, but that's not one of the websites that we include in the ISFDB pubs, so it seemed inappropriate to add it as a publication record. But if you wanted to add a link from the award list to that web site, I would endorse that step. Personally, I hate the graphic background on that page; it makes reading a pain, but I don't know of a better site to link to. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks! I have made some changes and posted the results on the Moderator Noticeboard for discussion. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:19, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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BTW, I see that it features President Joe McCarthy, an interesting twist. I guess June-July 1953 would be a plausible point of divergence. Suppose (1) it's Roy Cohn who resigns instead of RFK (so no Dave Schine episode and no Army-McCarthy hearings) and (2) J. B. Matthews never makes the "Reds in Our Churches" faux pas and succeeds in bringing order to PSI. McCarthy manages to keep his high approval rating (50% in January 1954) and is well positioned to become a viable candidate after Ike's heart attack in 1955, splitting the Catholic vote and so on. Hmm, it's a thought. You'd have to do something drastic to get Joe to stop drinking in 1953, though, or else he will self-destruct by 1956 one way or another. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:13, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Diverges on April 23, 1955. And Joe dies of liver failure in 1957. So you got those points right :-) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: I just read the story and April 23, 1955 is when it starts rather than the point of divergence. The POD is apparently early 1952 since the story mentions that "some have wondered how the world would be different if General Eisenhower had accepted the GOP's offer to run for president instead of remaining the leader of NATO." The next sentence, however, is so bizarre that I am not sure what to make of it: "But after McCarthy cleaned up commies in the Senate, America decided he was the man to take on Khrushchev". At the time of the 1952 election the Soviet leader was Stalin, not Khrushchev. Stalin died in March 1953 and was succeeded by a "collective leadership" headed by Georgy Malenkov. Malenkov, however, failed to consolidate his position and was demoted in early 1955. Khrushchev eventually emerged victorious, but in 1952 he was just one of Stalin's minions. Oh well, another AH that gets its history wrong, nothing to get excited about... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:19, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Another Women in SF project ==<br />
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Or maybe just a "Meme" rather than a project. James Nicoll has been posting lists of female authors on his Livejournal, e.g. [http://james-nicoll.livejournal.com/3176749.html here]. I've provided him with some Debut-dated pages [[Authors_By_Debut_Date]] and [[Authors_By_Debut_Date2]] and he's done some gender identification - and people following his meme have added more or corrected him. Maybe you have an interest in common? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 15:53, 11 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ** Somewhat newer conversations, which I'm working on archiving ==<br />
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== Conference on the Fantastic in the Arts ==<br />
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I'm assuming you created [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?33415 this series]. If not, pardon the assumption. Several of the variant records were given series data and not the parent title record (because of the pseudonymous editor credits). This causes the title to show up twice on the series list. I've moved the series data from the variant title record to the parent record. That having been said, I'm not sure that these rightfully form a title series, although I suppose a case could be made for it when you think that ''Orbit'', ''Universe'', and ''New Dimensions'', along with many other anthology series have been placed into a title series. The problem in this case is that there are two titles numbered "1" in the series, and it comes up on the clean-up script which finds errors in the numbering of title series. I can't think of a way around it, because it appears they've been numbered based on the conference in which the papers were presented, with two volumes published from the first conference. Alas, the system doesn't allow anything other than a whole integer in the field, so it will have to remain as an error. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:10, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes, I created that series. I apologize for the parent record / variant record problem. I had added several of them as new pubs in one pass, checked on which pseudonyms I broke on a second pass and fixed them, then forgot to go back and fix up the series info.<br />
: One possible solution for the "Conference #1" problem is to view them like 2 volumes of a single title -- such as we might do for a book that has been published in both a 1-volume set and a 2-volume set (e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1130369 The Night Side of Nature: Ghosts and Ghost Seers]). Each publication could still go into its own slot in the publication series, but they would be merged into a single title, which would go into slot 1 of this title. Should I do that? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:28, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Sounds like a reasonable solution. You'd have to variant the two existing title records to one newly created title record, remove the series data from the two individual title records and add it to the (new) parent title record. That might work. Go ahead and try it so that we can see how it displays. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:21, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: Done. I think [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?33415 the conference series] looks pretty good with these changes, esp. due to the way it shows variants. Does it remove the problem with the clean-up script? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:29, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes. Works for me, even though when you get to the bottom of it, it's only a band-aid for an unfixable situation. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:23, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Automerge failed" (Bug 3598892) ==<br />
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Could you please list the steps that led to {{Bug|3598892}}? Was the "Automerge" option that you referred to related to "Find Duplicates" or perhaps some other menu option? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:18, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Looking [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1536647 here], I had created pub records for the 1812 and 1815 publications (1st edition, Vol. 1 and Vol. 2). I added a new publication to the title, and created the 1819 edition of Vol. 1. I added 86 short stories to the contents of that publication. I saved the publication. If automerge had been functioning correctly, it would seem that since there was an overlap of 50 (or so) exact title/author duplicates, that the system would have merged those short stories in the 1819 edition with the ones in the 1812 edition. It did not. I repeated this process with the next 11 publications, again with no automerging of titles occurring. (The 1813 publication was a clone, and hence had no problems.) The "Find Duplicates" function worked perfectly, and allowed me to then do a manual merge "relatively" easy -- if we view 300 uses of such merges "easy". (Aside: I am not yet done with this project, and have not identified variants within the short story titles, nor converted these titles into VT's of Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm.) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:38, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: Hm, I wonder if I may be confused. If the term "automerge" means that new Title records whose author(s) and title match an existing Title record are automatically merged by the software upon submission approval, then this functionality doesn't exist at this time. Or did you have something else in mind? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:58, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: I thought that was a feature. (facepalm) Using the voice of the church lady from Saturday Night Live -- "Never mind". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:06, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::: No problem! If I had a penny for every time I was hopelessly confused, I would be retired now. Er, wait, I ''am'' retired ;-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:14, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::: P.S. But it brings up an interesting point. ''Should'' it be a feature? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:15, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::: It would certainly make entering anthologies and collections easier. I wonder how many editors entering them now bother to go back and try to "Find Duplicates" on all authors in an anthology whose contents they've just entered? I haven't been. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:19, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: It may be too dangerous to merge titles automatically, but perhaps we could provide a list of possible matches for every entered Contents title (assuming there are any) and let the editor choose which one the entered title should be auto-merged with. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:33, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: That does seem like a much safer alternative. It does seem that a fully automatic merge on contents has the potential to be dangerous. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:47, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: It seems we have half a new FR here. I don't know if we should try and improve "Import" so you can do a lot of content entries in one go, automerged. Or work on "Find Duplicates" and enable mass submissions of such when you've just entered (and have had approved) a lot of contents that are similar to an existing pub. Or is there a third or fourth or more option I haven't got to yet? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:28, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Exile Waiting ==<br />
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Found a signature on the cover of [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?187989 this]], bottom edge left of the leading figure is 'Kresek' in a faint lilac print, hard to make out. Cheers! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 03:57, 10 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Wolverine's Daughter ==<br />
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In your verified {{P|55262|Wolverine's Daughter}}, there is a listing for "Wolverine's Daughter (Map)" which is marked as an ESSAY. Should this be INTERIORART instead? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:57, 12 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Certainly should. Thanks for correcting that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:49, 16 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Work of a Modern Occult Fraternity ==<br />
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{{T|1462435|The Work of a Modern Occult Fraternity}} is dated 1926 which is before Gareth Knight's birth. From the notes in your verified {{P|250915|The Secrets of Dr. Taverner}}, it sounds like the date should be 1962 (i.e. original to that publication)? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:30, 13 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for catching that. I've corrected it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:01, 16 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Sirian Experiments'' and ''The Making of the Representative for Planet 8'' ==<br />
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Quick pointer to some possible omissions: does the title page of your verified hc of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?85964 ''The Sirian Experiments''] also have the subtitle "The Report by Ambien II, of the Five", <br />
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: This edition has two title pages, one without the sub-title, and with it. The title page that includes it is the more involved of the two title pages, so I will add that sub-title to the PR. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:17, 16 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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... as with other editions, and does your verified hc of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?231521''The Making of the Representative for Planet 8''] have the Afterword? My UK hc has it beginning on page 123. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 09:17, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes it does; I hadn't noticed it. Added now. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:17, 16 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Tanith Lee's ''Volkhavaar der Magier'' & Leigh Brackett's ''Alpha Centauri sehen und sterben''==<br />
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Hello, Darrah! I just saw that you entered and verified Lee's novel. I'd suggest the addition of the pub. series ''Bastei Lübbe Fantasy'' (#20010) to the record and the change to publication date 1979-00-00. Both stem from [https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?query=Tanith+Lee+Volkhavaar&method=simpleSearch this], the price and the design of the cover does mark it also as from the beginning years (1978-1980) of the series. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?380903 this example] from 1983, where 'Science Fiction' has already left the cover (amazon ''is'' sometimes - much too often - unreliable in this regard). The pub. series and its no. should be noted on the back or on the spine, I hope. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:33, 22 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: The book says "Lizenzausgabe 1979", which would seem to me to imply that there was a 1979 publication, but would not seem to imply that ''this'' edition is from 1979. Am I wrong on this? You say that the design of the cover marks it as from 1979, but [http://www.amazon.de/Volkhavaar-Magier-Tanith-Lee/dp/3404012690/ Amazon.de shows ''exactly'' this cover, and claims a publication date of April 1985. So I'm still uncertain about this. However, the original seller of my book, from Germany, did claim it was a 1979 publication, so I'll agree with you on this. But I still wonder if I've misunderstood the word "Lizenzausgabe"? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:57, 16 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:And another one: The Leigh Brackett [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?408433 novel] was published in 1978 according to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334321 this source] and also according to DNB. I'll change the pub. date, okay? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:59, 28 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: Again, "Lizenzausgabe 1978"; no other date. Amazon-Germany shows my cover and claims it's Dec. 1982. The original seller agree with 1978. So I'll accept 1978 as valid. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:57, 16 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I changed the date for ''Volkhavaar der Magier'' and added a note after obtaining a copy of the book. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:28, 4 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: Should I be going back and looking at other books that gave a "Lizenzausgabe" date? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:57, 16 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, if you have the time and patience for it. In general Bastei Lübbe has had some problems in stating some data correctly: they didn't sign a first printing as such directly but they always did so (as fa as I know) with higher printings. So it is safe to assume the year stated with "Lizenzausgabe" as the actual year of publication for the respective book. And Amazon really isn't helpful in determining the real publication date of a book - they don't source their information and don't seem to update. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:41, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Thanks much! I'll keep an eye out for that problem with Bastei Lübbe. Most of my German titles are Heyne, and they don't seem to have the same problem, but I'll check on the other titles. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:03, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Mondadori publisher ==<br />
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Hi, I am re-organizing the italian publications of Mondadori, and I plan to merge these [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?44352] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?43182] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4472] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?39904] publishers under 'Arnoldo Mondadori'. There are two pubs you verified that would be involved in the change: this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399006 one] (publisher from 'Mondadori' to 'Arnoldo Mondadori') and this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399666 one] which apparently belongs to the 'Oscar Narrativa' publisher series (#1062) of Arnoldo Mondadori. If it is ok for you, I could perform the modifications and add the name of the translators and a cover to the second one (from Fantascienza.com, [http://nilf.it/105515]). Btw, is the name of the Artist of the second pub 'Andreas Fröschi'? Fantascienza.com reports 'Andreas Fröschl'. Thanks --[[User:Pips55|Pips55]] 22:47, 26 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Looking more closely at the publishers of those two books, it's appropriate to change them to "Arnoldo Mondadori". The former book says 'Oscar Mondadori' on the title page, but 'Arnoldo Mondadori' on the copyright page. The later says 'Oscar Mondadori' on the cover, but also 'Arnoldo Mondadori' on the copyright page. I have corrected each of them. You are correct that "Aliene, Amazzoni, Astronaute" is Oscar Narrativa 1062, but we do not currently have that as a publication series, so I have not listed it as such (feel free to do so, esp. if you know more books in that series that are in our databas). Fantascienza was correct about "Fröschl"; I had read the name wrong. I have corrected it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:51, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Verification question ==<br />
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This C.J. Cherryh book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16977] you and four others verified as being the 1st printing as per number line with "Printed in Canada". My 1st says printed in the US. Now there is no entry for a US printing. So is the there a Canadian printing with with a number line starting with a "1"? Is it a contributor's typo? Could five verifiers made the same mistake? Seems unlikely. I'd like to enter the US printing if these aren't the same book. I'm sending this to the other four verifiers to help figure this out.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 00:25, 28 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: My edition is the U.S. edition; I don't know why I didn't notice that this was a Canadian edition before. I moved my verification from the Canadian edition to the US. B the way, in all the work you did, you <em>didn't</em> verify it. So I left the "Primary 1" verification slot for you. You should go back and verify it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:03, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== A Romance of Two Worlds ==<br />
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{{P|380413|A Romance of Two Worlds}}: "<nowiki>http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images</nowiki>" was in the ISBN field and the Image field was blank. I assume the software truncated the URL when it was mistakenly put in the ISBN field. I found your uploaded [[:Image:RMNCFTWWRL1898.jpg]] and updated the publication to clear the ISBN field and add the image. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:16, 3 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for catching that and correcting it. You were, of course, correct. I guess I was getting too excited about another 19th century verification :-) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:05, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fanzine title ==<br />
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Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404285 this issue] correctly titled? The name on the cover is "Janus" while the publication and editor record are titled "Aurora". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:05, 8 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for catching the mistake. Odd mistake for me to make; Janus became Aurora with vol. "7", #1, not with vol. "6", #1. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?182816 editor record] was correct (AFAIK), and I fixed the publication record. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:14, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I'd created a magazine series for both Janus and Aurora, and I figured that issue must have been Janus and placed it into that series. I then made both series into sub-series of one titled [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?33744 Janus/Aurora]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:53, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: Thank you, that was the right way to do it. The last issue was listed, on the cover, as "Janus: Becoming Aurora", but I don't think we need to list it differently. Interesting politics behind the change in the title. Decades later I think they've patched it up. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:08, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Welcome back! ==<br />
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Hopefully you came out victorious in the battle with the book :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 01:38, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, I still have to write the foreword. But I got the translation completed, and the appendices where I proved two of the author's conjectures. And got a research paper written and submitted for publication. I also have one more research paper with a deadline of March 4th, so there's still too much writing to do. But at least I have time to take the occasional break for some of the fun stuff over here :-) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:11, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Dupes that you were checking ==<br />
Hi Chavey,<br />
there are several comments by you on the dupes project page [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Fuzzy_duplicate_finder_on_all_Authors Fuzzy_duplicate_finder_on_all_Authors], fo example look for "Chavey sent email to her asking about this" do you remeber how it ended and did you get some answers? I am tring to update the project with all the new data. Thanks, [[User:Qshadow|Qshadow]] 16:54, 19 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I emailed Alexandra Sokoloff on Aug. 23, 2011, at alex@alexandrasokoloff.com. No reply.<br />
: I emailed Anna Windsor the same day, at windsoranna@yahoo.com. No reply.<br />
: I emailed Blythe Ayne, and she responded that the story by "Blythe Ann" was by her, so I corrected that with a pseudonym (assuming that it was a misspelling in the actual publication.)<br />
: Thanks for asking, since it made me go back at look at the results/non-results. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Seduction of Miranda Prosper'' ==<br />
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The trade edition of this title wasn't published until January 2011. It's possible that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399215 this book club edition] may have a 2010 copyright year, but was simultaneously published with the trade edition. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:29, 22 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: The date had been entered before I verified it; I don't know where they got it from. There is no publication date in the book, and the listed copyright date is 2011. So I changed the publication date to Jan. 2011. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Jirel Delle Lande di Joiry ==<br />
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Hi, I corrected the title of the first story in this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?368459 pub] you verified from "Il Bachio del Dio Nero" to "Il Bacio del Dio Nero". --[[User:Pips55|Pips55]] 23:15, 23 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Arrow Book of Spooky Stories'' ==<br />
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Are your copies of all three printings "pb"? Also, you might want to remove the Amazon cover image link of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410478 the 1996 printing]. There's a visible price, and you might find a user or other editor questioning your note about it being unpriced. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:04, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Cloning too quickly. All pb's changed to tp's. Note added to the 14th edition that the cover is correct ''except'' for not listing the price. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:09, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Artist signature ==<br />
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I added a proper license to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:CrazyTime_sig.jpg this image]. Did you ever determine who the artist was? It looks like "Burleson" to me so it may be {{A|Joe Burleson}}. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:05, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Below is my attempt at an enhanced version of the picture, using brightness and contrast adjustments. Much of it is unreadable to me, but the last two characters certainly look like "en", which would rule out Burleson. The rest of the characters, however, seem to align correctly with that name. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:35, 23 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Janus, Winter 1977 ==<br />
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Can you confirm the artist credit for the piece on page 27 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404279 this record]? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:45, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Sorry about that. Corrected (to "Barry Kent MacKay"). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:23, 22 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Critical Insights'' ==<br />
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I saw that you'd created a wiki page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?Critical_Insights this series], so I'm assuming you placed the title records into the series. It seems to me that this is a publication series, and not a title series. But I'd like to hear your reasoning in the decision to make it into a title series. Also, what was the basis for creating the subseries (i.e. "Themes", "Works", and "Authors")? None of the sources, including the publisher's website, breaks the series into these parts. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:06, 21 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Sorry, I see now that the publisher does split the series (the [http://salempress.com/Store/ProdGroup/?ProductGroup.Id=70 webpage] you linked to on the main series wiki page lists them all together). This gives even stronger evidence that the series is a publication series and not a title series. A question one should ask to determine which series to use is: "Could this work be reprinted by another publisher and still be considered part of this series?" The answer in this case would be "No." [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:14, 21 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: At some formal level, these works could not be reprinted by another publisher. Since I've written essays for other series by this publisher, I know what the contract looks like, and it really does prohibit it. But still, I agree with your point that the <em>contents</em> of these series should make them a publication series. But because of the way that the publisher groups them into the three sub-series, and since publication series do not yet support hierarchical series, the only way to maintain that structure was as a title series. I have included on my [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Chavey/NonFicSeries Non-Fiction Series] project page the task of converting this to a publication series when that feature is added. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:13, 22 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Has the feature been requested? One other thing: I would not think that "Critical Insights" is part of the works' titles. Looking at the OCLC records for many of the titles, I could find none that included it as part of the books' formal title. Also, do you plan on adding the content essays? Most of the OCLC records that I checked included them in the record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: (i) This feature is [https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3566805&group_id=199503&atid=969757 FR 3566805], filed last Sept. by Ahasuerus.<br />
::: (ii) The New Pub [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Title help page] says "The title page may show the series name, ... It is left to the editor's discretion as to whether this should be part of the "title" that you enter for the publication." Amazon's "Look Inside" showed me title pages of 11 of the 19 titles, all of which had "Critical Insights" on the title page, albeit in the format "Critical Insights: Stephen King". In this case, it seemed that there could be enough books under the same title (e.g. "Stephen King"), that it would be helpful to distinguish books of equivalent, or similar, titles. Only two of these books had been previously entered into the system, one with "Critical Insights" as part of the title, and without; neither verified. I went with included the title series for the disambiguation reasons.<br />
:::(iii) Thanks for reminding me about adding the contents; I nearly forgot to do that. WorldCat gave me contents for 15 of the 19 titles (those not yet released did not have contents listed), so I added all of those. (I love my macros for doing that!) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:17, 24 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, I just noticed that the message "Artist Signature" (two topics up) never got a response. Have you had a chance to look at it? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:52, 22 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: Comment posted in that thread. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:17, 24 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Ugo Mursia ==<br />
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There are two records which you have primary verified as by {{A|Ugo Mursia}} that have come up as stray publications. The problem is the editor credit of this variant title doesn't match that of the parent title. The only way to correct this is to make Mursia a pseudonym of "Editors of If". Since it's obvious that he was not the actual editor of these anthologies, I would suggest crediting him only in the Note field (as you've done), and not in the Author/Editor field. If no editor is credited then it should be credited to "uncredited" per ISFDB standards. One other thing: the cover art is credited to "uncredited" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411665 this record]. That doesn't follow the ISFDB standard of leaving the field blank when the work isn't credited. It is also unusual to create a single record for the headnotes (here given as "Headlines"), something that is usually only recorded in the note field unless they are substantial enough to create records for each introduction. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:34, 7 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I'll change Mursia and the "uncredited" note, and continue that with Vol. 3. With the "Headnotes", I was simply following the lead of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35728 The Best from If, Vol. I]. It seems off from what we normally do, but it seems (1) worth crediting Frenkel for what's normally done by the editor; (2) not worth crediting Frenkel once for every story. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:38, 7 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== On the Night of the Seventh Moon ==<br />
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Changed the date for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?397090 this]] as I found a copy with an earlier code. Thus altered and fleshed out the notes as well. The 'P' gutter codes were a little wonky, spread over two years, so both our assumptions about the year could be wrong but the months should be correct. Cheers! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 16:34, 8 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Anya Seton's ''Avalon'' ==<br />
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Does your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367692 this BCE] have a gutter code? There's an Abebooks.com listing that offers a copy with code "17H" on page 437 which would indicate a printing in April 1966. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:17, 10 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Alien Sex ==<br />
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Hi, I think there is a small typo in the publication series of this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399006 pub] you verified: instead of 'Piccolo Biblioteca Oscar' should be 'Piccola Biblioteca Oscar'. Is this the case ? Thanks --[[User:Pips55|Pips55]] 19:48, 27 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: You are correct; thanks for catching that. I have corrected it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:10, 29 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Postmarked the Stars ==<br />
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Does your copy of [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26484 this]] have any ads in the back? Mine has 11-72-14C and 15A. Stuart Wells has 03/1971 for this catalog# which I think is reasonable for the linked record, but there's no way it would have a 1972 ad. I think Ace may have printed this twice without changing anything except the ads, pattern that is showing up a few times as I go through. Thanks for looking! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 19:03, 28 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Turns out [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Postmarked_the_Stars Willem's]] copy has different ads and there may be a third printing as well. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 20:26, 28 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: The only numbering on the ads in my copy are "14" and "15". The last book listed on ad "14" is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55366 World's Best Science Fiction: 1970] (publ. in 1970), and the last one listed on ad "15" is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50287 The Wizard of Venus] (Aug. 1970). The penultimate book on ad "14" has a publication of Feb. 1970. So this would seem to imply that the copy I have is probably a 1970 printing. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:52, 29 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: At the very least the existing record linked above should not have a 1969 date. The numbered ads were not even used until November '70. Your copy is the same as Willem's. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 16:52, 29 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::: So unless someone finds an apparent earlier edition, it seems that we should ''note'' the 1969 copyright, but list it with a 1970 publication date (all the books in my ads appear to be 1970 or older), and list Bill's copy as a known later printing. Then add sufficient notes to clarify this book's status. Is that right? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:52, 29 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Touch base with Willem. I've already created a new record for my later printing. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 08:27, 1 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "I keep dancing on my own" ==<br />
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I find it amusing that a [[User_talk:Starseeker_2065|certain editor]] continues to post on his talk page (the last one is as hilarious as it is illogical). Posting messages on your own talk page is like calling yourself on the phone and having a deep conversation, or the drunk guy at the end of the bar talking to himself... This whole situation only proves that authors make bad ISFDB editors. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:16, 10 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: In addition to not being able to find the ~ key, he still really has no idea how to use a Wiki. And he insists on not reading (or at least not comprehending) the how-to pages we suggest to him. We have [[User_talk:Robertreginald|another editor]] who also only posts to his own talk page. But he's important enough that folks like you and me keep a watch on that page to see if he needs anything. I did like our new editor's comment implying that folks who were publishing in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?178668 mid-80's fanzines] are something like "the old guard". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:37, 11 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Afterwar ==<br />
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Came across [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?376912 this]]. For a short time the greying/blacking out of the US price was how Baen did printings for Canada. Preceded dual pricing. So it's not an unstated second printing but a first Canadian, same date as the US one. Think they did this for a little over a year?? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 18:35, 10 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you for that insight! That explains what was going on. I'll update my record, and the ISFDB record. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:38, 11 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Latest rant from our favorite editor ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Starseeker_2065#chavey This] has really riled me up. If it were solely within my power, I would suspend his account immediately. I'll pass along my feelings to Ahasuerus. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:52, 12 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, to me that does look as somebody in or with serious troubles (I suspect at least a mild case of persecution mania). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: Yes, most regrettable. I have left a warning on his Talk page as per our Blocking Policy (we all know that capital letters make things look More Official!) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:31, 12 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: I had thought that my posts on his page had been carefully worded so as not to cause offense, especially after he got angry at Mike. It seems like he is taking offense at my suggestion that we would want a source before we pulled the existing date of death from Everett Cole, even though in the previous sentence I acknowledged that the change in SFE implies that "it may be that there is some doubt to that date". The wording of his most recent posting seems fundamentally sexist. He believes that I am a woman, who is also younger than he is, and his wording: "your OWN efforts might not be considered to be of all that much value, lady", emphasizing the "lady", seems, IMHO, to be a demeaning use of the term. I suspect he believes that as a younger woman I should "automatically" assume the implicit value and accuracy of the contribution of an older, wiser man. I suspect Stonecreek is right in saying he has "at least a mild case of persecution mania". All of us make mistakes here sometimes; e.g. of the four posts made on my talk page above this topic, three were to point out mistakes I had made. An editor who has trouble with moderators pointing out mistakes to them (or learning from those mistakes) seems unlikely to develop into a valued resource. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:11, 12 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::: To paraphrase Protagoras, "I am the measure of all things", therefore all characteristics which distinguish others from me constitute conclusive proof of my superiority -- I hear it's a popular argument in kindergarten :)<br />
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:::: I guess we'll find out soon enough how the situation resolves itself. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:39, 12 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I have blocked the user for 24 hours based on the last response. It wasn't as offensive as his earlier responses, but I don't think we want to use them as our standard of offensiveness. No need to make this project more stressful than it has to be. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:16, 12 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: I found it interesting that he said that his confusion about my gender and age meant "Perhaps you need to update your page, friend; [I] think most of the fault lies there, not with me." I looked again at my ISFDB [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Chavey home page] to see what he might be referring to. Since I say "My specialty is SF by women authors", he might have presumed that to mean that I was a woman, as if a man would not be interested in women authors. But there's no indication there of my age. However I do have a link to my [http://www.beloit.edu/computerscience/faculty/chavey/ professional home page], and I looked there again with fresh eyes. I hadn't noticed before that since the only picture I have there is one of me dancing with my wife, if you didn't know who I was, my gender remained ambiguous. That's amusing. So his comment that "I" looked much younger than him is actually a compliment about my wife. (She's slightly younger than him in that picture.) I will pass that compliment on to her. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:53, 13 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Considering that your home page states that you received your PhD in 1984, it means that he assumed that you were 18 or younger at the time. That's even more complimentary and puts you in the same league as Norbert Wiener! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:05, 13 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Don't I wish!! I was reading Norbert Weiner when I was 15, but I am certainly not in his class! It took me two attempts to get my Ph.D.: My first thesis was close to done when some guy from Australia published an even better result than the one that I thought I was going to get. So I had to pick a new area and start over. Didn't get my Ph.D. until I was 30 :-( I was at a "Math and Arts" conference once, and got talking to a guy who seemed to not know anyone else there. Thought maybe he'd appreciate a friendly conversation. I welcomed him to the conference, we talked a bit about the art exhibits, I asked him where he was from. "Boston". It didn't click that he meant "Harvard". He was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Elkies Noam Elkies], the youngest full professor in the history of Harvard. Embarrassing. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:16, 13 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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(Unindent) The conflict between him and me seems to have been generated due to his claim that our death date for Everett B. Cole was in error, that he was historically the cause of that error, that he now disowned that claim and we should erase that death date. He objected to my suggestion that we should get verification for this change, other than just his say-so. Since then I have spent far too much time verifying his claim, and was able to locate the correct "Everett Cole" through a genealogical site posting from his son. I have corrected our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?2092 Summary Page] for Everett, and added a basic biography (with citation) for him. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:53, 13 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Great genealogical snooping there! I think I've hit on something else that will be of interest. During the discussions with [[User_talk:Starseeker_2065|Starseeker 2065]], it came to light that his real name was Jeffrey S. Fisher, but that he'd wanted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?189173 Garnett Radcliffe] to be his canonical name because he'd published a collection under that name. (Since there was an early-to-middle 20th century author with that real name, his penname had to be disambiguated.) When the topic arose about how the ISFDB recorded the death date of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Starseeker_2065#Everett_B._Cole Everett B. Cole], he mentioned that in 1996 he was new to bibliography and made several errors in ''Locus''. This nudged a hidden memory, so I pulled out my 1996 issues and found this little "Anti-Obituaries" piece by Charles Brown in Locus #429 (October 1996):<br />
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::Several of the obituaries taken by Jefferey S. Fisher [sic] from the CD-ROM Death Index in the past two months are wrong. Both C. B. Gilford and Frank A. Javor are still alive, and understandably annoyed at our error.<br />
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:There are letters in this issue by Javor and Barry Malzberg (on behalf of C. B. Gifford [sic]) pointing out the errors. Brown responded:<br />
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::We've discovered we can't trust Jeffery S. Fisher's notes from the CD-ROM death list. We hadn't realized he is apparently guessing from similiar names.<br />
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:In an editorial in the same issue, Brown writes:<br />
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::The problems with the CD-ROM death list obituaries are chronicled in the letter column. We won't be running them any longer.<br />
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:Apparently, the CD-ROM Death Index was published by the US Social Security Administration, and it was from this source that Fisher drew data. Locus had ran three individual obituaries from Fisher in the August issue and a column in the September issue.<br />
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:I have to then conclude that Starseeker 2065 is also {{A|Jeffery Steve Fisher}}. This may explain his reaction to your reluctance to accept his data about Cole. Perhaps it was his personal history and the public dressing-down in ''Locus'' which may have made him sensitive to criticism, whether it's constructive or not. What he fails to realize is that we all make mistakes. (Look at my talk page. Half of the posts are from other editors pointing out my mistakes!) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:50, 13 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: I also began with the CD-ROM Death Index from the US Social Security Administration. It lists four different people named Everett Cole who were born in 1910 (see [http://www.faqs.org/people-search/everett-cole/ here], and search for "1910"). One is easily eliminated (died too young), and the correct one would not have been there when Jeffrey was doing his research, because he wasn't dead yet. (Another example of his problematic methodology.) I don't know how he chose between the other two. I used these dates as a starting point, but didn't settle on one person until I had some seriously convincing evidence. I suspect that you're right about him still feeling badly burned by this past, and that this may be a part of the source of his hostility. It also means, though, that we may need to be cautious about accepting submissions from him without pausing to consider their veracity. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Still on Alien Sex ==<br />
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Hi, I think I have found the series number and publication month of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399006 Alien Sex] in Ernesto's [http://www.catalogovegetti.com/catalogo/E0559.htm#12269 Catalog]. I am going through all the Arnoldo Mondadori publications, harmonizing wherever necessary the editor to 'Arnoldo Mondadori Editore' and I was wondering if it would be ok for you to change it in the cited 'Alien Sex' and in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399666 Aliene, Amazzoni, Astronaute] you verified. Thanks --[[User:Pips55|Pips55]] 22:08, 17 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I don't have any problem with you adding the month and publication series number to those books. I don't think you should change the editor though. I'm sure the (unknown) Mondadori editor did logistics work in, for example, overseeing the translation of "Alien Sex", but it was Ellen Datlow that organized the project, who selected the stories, and who then wrote the introduction, so I would not want to replace her name as editor. And I know she wouldn't want me to. A similar statement holds for Oriana Palusci in the second book, although I don't know her. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:03, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: My fault (a 'false friend' case, Editor is close to the italian 'Editore' which means Publisher): 'Arnoldo Mondadori Editore' is a publishing house, so I should have asked you about changing the publisher not the editor ... --[[User:Pips55|Pips55]] 19:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: Ah, that's fine then! I am certainly in favor of consistency on that. I'll change the publisher. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:58, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Added month and publication series number to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399006 Alien Sex]; thanks for changing the publisher. --[[User:Pips55|Pips55]] 20:45, 31 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Follow-up when disambiguating names ==<br />
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You created three disambiguated names recently by adding "(Italian)" to the end. The system can't recognize these as disambiguations and treats "(Italian)" as the author's last name. When an editor creates a disambiguated name, he must follow it up by manually updating the author's data, removing the disambiguation from the LAST NAME data field and replacing it with the true last name. For example, the author data for {{A|altname=John_Lane_(Italian)}} must be updated to make "Lane" the author's last name.(The reason I've noticed this problem is because the three names appears on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/al_search.cgi Invalid Last Name clean-up script].)<br />
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: My apologies. I'll try to remember that in the future. They've been repaired. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:32, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I added a note about this to [[Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name]]. Might I suggest you change "Italian" to "Italy"? There's some precedent for using country name -- e.g., search for "(US or "(Canad" or "(Austr" -- instead of nationality. There's even one "(Italy)". Some other entries do use nationality, so there's counter-precedent, but country seems to be more prevalent. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: Excellent suggestion. Corrections made. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:14, 19 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Too Long a Sacrifice ==<br />
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I added the introduction to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263531 this verified pub] and changed the pagenumbering from 210 to x+210. Hope you can agree. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:01, 25 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: An earlier verification of mine. Thanks for filling that out. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:52, 25 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Review of: Repel ==<br />
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Your (transient) verified {{P|418128|The Pulp Collector, #24 1994}} contains {{T|1600047|this review}}. The review is dated 1937. However, the credited reviewer was born in 1953. I suspect that the date of the reviewed publication (which is also 1937) was mistakenly given to the review also? If not and this is a re-printed review, we have two "Will Murray"s that need to be distinguished. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:47, 26 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: When I entered the review, I entered no date, assuming it would default to the date of the publication containing the review. Apparently, it defaults to the date of the publication ''being'' reviewed instead. I've corrected that date. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:16, 26 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
::That's an interesting subtly in the software that I wouldn't have expected either. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:23, 26 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Quark 4 ==<br />
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My copy of [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27082 this]] is CDN, so PV1 spot is vacated. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 17:29, 28 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: My copy doesn't specifically say the text was printed in the US, but: (i) The back cover says "Printed in U.S.A."; (ii) The title page says "Paperback Library: A Kinney Service Company: New York" (i.e. does not list a Canadian city. Are either of those 2 items different than on the Canadian edition? If not, then it may be that the indication of the US edition is just the absence of the notation about Canada, in which case we should note what page that's on. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:37, 28 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Twisted Root'' by Anne Perry ==<br />
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A quick question about your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395946 ''The Twisted Root''] by {{A|Anne Perry}}. Would you say that this author is above "the threshold"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:06, 3 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: No I wouldn't. I verified that book, out of my wife's mystery collection, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the one who added it. In general, I'm pretty reluctant to delete books that others have added. (Which is why "Publication Delete" is the only category of "Major Contributors" for which I'm not in the top 25.) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:23, 3 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: I share the reluctance to delete pubs entered by other editors, but keep in mind that a significant number of our pubs were created by robots in the early 2000s, back before we had a review/moderation process in place. Their inclusion criteria were rather primitive: is this book labeled "fantasy" or "science fiction"? and "do we have other books by this author on file"? The result was that we ended up with thousands of RPG modules, comic books and other ineligible items, which took me months to find and delete in 2006. Similarly, the robots added hundreds of non-genre pubs by Robert Louis Stevenson and other non-genre authors because they couldn't distinguish between their SF and their non-genre work. And, since ''The Twisted Root'' was published in 1999, I suspect that it was yet another victim of a well-meaning by overzealous robot :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 21:42, 3 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: Thank you for that background. I'll try to be somewhat more pro-active about deleting books that, IMO, don't belong. (With a note in the bibliography page.) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:02, 4 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for giving the pub/title a decent burial :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 01:23, 4 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Sword Smith ==<br />
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Hi, I'm about to change the cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?208373 this] publication from "A. Echenammia" to "Abe Echevarria", based on the same signature occurring on the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?299984 The Soul of the Robot] (also Condor 1978) and in Ian Summers' [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257210+f Tomorrow and Beyond], where it is attributed to Abe Echevarria. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I agree with your interpretation of that signature. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:25, 12 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Flannery O'Connor ==<br />
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I'm familiar with most of the work of Flannery O'Connor, and would not have thought her stories would qualify for the database. What criteria was used to enter [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409282 this publication] into the database? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:02, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I am ''not'' familiar with her work, and I'm pretty sure that (1) I'm not the person who added that book; (2) I picked it up because it was listed here; (3) I verified it, intending to read it, but haven't yet. Looking at some reviews of the collection, I see that several people refer to these stories as "horror", but that O'Connor disagrees with that assessment. So I don't really know if it belongs in. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:40, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::None of her stories have a supernatural element. If there is any "horror", it's the horror of the human soul and the horror of living in a world without the knowledge of God's existence and outside of His grace. Some I suppose would consider God to be supernatural, but he doesn't appear onstage in any O'Connor story. (But he lurks!) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:12, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Nacht in den Ruinen'' ==<br />
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Hello, Darrah! Well, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420564 this book] actually belongs to a long series of anthologies, that presented selections from MFSF and I have put the title into the according series. This one seems to have been accidentally numbered as #68 on spine and back, since the actual #68 was already entered. And it does seem that by chance all texts are from 1983: usually the selection is taken from various issues of MFSF from more than one year. The price should be mentioned on the spine (as an example 680 would stand for DM 6.80). You might want to adapt the notes. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 20 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the help, I didn't think of "Die Besten" as a title series, but that makes sense. I believe I have updated the book correctly, and added a better picture while I was at it. I think I've got another couple of books in this series, so I'll try to add them as well. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:57, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::It really looks good now. More issues? That sounds great. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:57, 24 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Gaiman's "Troll Bridge" ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the story has "The" in the title in its reprint in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?349944 this anthology]? If so, it should be varianted to the parent title [69551 here]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes, it is "The Troll Bridge", in both the ToC and the story title page. Variant constructed. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Restoree ==<br />
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PV1 is open for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27899 this]], my copy is CDN. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 02:55, 30 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Ok, I moved mine up. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:59, 30 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Bantam Classic ==<br />
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I saw in the queue that you were updating records for this publication series, when I noticed that among them was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?264445 one] that I had failed to primary verify. (I recognized my notes.) Pulling out my copy, I can find no use of the words "Bantam Classics" anywhere in the book. The front and back covers state "A Bantam Classic", the spine states "Bantam Classic", and the copyright page states "Bantam Classic edition". It's quite possible that this series eventually became "Bantam Classics", but I'm unsure whether we should make all records conform to one series name. Do you not think there's value in keeping them separate? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:36, 17 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I was going to check on this -- my apologies for not doing so first. There were two publication series in our system: "Bantam Classic" and "Bantam Classics". They clearly are the same series. The note that I added to the series itself says: "Individual books are labeled as "A Bantam Classic"; the full series is "Bantam Classics"." This at least is the strong impression I have from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantam_Classics Wikipedia page] on the series. I don't have a strong preference, but it really seems that they should be listed as only a single series, instead of the half-and-half we had. What would you suggest I do? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:41, 17 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I went through the dozen or so titles in our db and found that the later ones who had cover images invariably carry the banner "Bantam Classic", with neither "A" at the beginning, nor "s" at the end. I could live with that since it's what is stated in half of its appearances in my copy. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:51, 17 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: I'll change them all to "Bantam Classic" then, and check with verifiers on the (former) "Bantam Classics" then. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:52, 17 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::: The only "Bantam Classics" that was verified has a cover image that clearly showed it as "A Bantam Classic", and was verified by an editor that said (in their 'what to tell me about') not to bother telling them about Publication Series data. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:02, 17 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to Sword and Sorceress XXI ==<br />
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I have a first printing of Sword and Sorceress XXI, and the title on the title page is just "Sword and Sorceress XXI." The cover does say "Marion Zimmer Bradley's Sword and Sorceress XXI," but ISFDB standard is to use the title on the title page, so I have put in a request to make that change.<br />
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I have also updated the link to the cover image (same image, more stable link), and added a couple of "Notes."[[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 04:40, 20 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Good changes. It would be helpful, though, if when you made such changes you included a link to the publication you're changing. To do so, use the format:<br />
<pre>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?67381 Sword And Sorceress XXI]</pre><br />
where you copy the URL from the page you're changing, and its title. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:37, 20 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== NYRSF, July 2000 ==<br />
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I've added the Hartwell editorial to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61544 this record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:19, 22 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:11, 22 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== (The) Yellow Inferno ==<br />
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I changed the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301914 this pub] from "Yellow Inferno" to "The Yellow Inferno", as it is on the titlepage, and added notes. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:01, 2 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding license to uploaded author image ==<br />
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I reloaded [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Whoopigoldberg.jpg this image], adding a license which properly attributed the photographer and his permission for its reuse. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:29, 7 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 12:07, 8 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== McIntyre's "A Farewell" ==<br />
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Is the title given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357145 this record] exactly how the work is titled in the publication? Ordinarily we don't add a disambiguation unless the work is an excerpt from a work of the same name (to avoid accidental merges). Otherwise, such information is usually provided in the title record's note field. BTW, do you know if "The Clouds Return" was ever published? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:27, 23 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: In the ToC, this title is listed as:<br />
::: A Farewell, from <u>The Clouds Return</u><br />
: On the title page, it's listed as:<br />
::: <u>A FAREWELL</U> from <u>The Clouds Return</u><br />
: I didn't want to capture the underlining, but was trying to capture the font distinction.<br />
: And yes, "The Clouds Return" was published, after being renamed to "The Exile Waiting". I've updated the record to more closely indicate the way the title was shown, although I've left the quotation marks as a replacement for the underlining, and added a note about its published name. I can imagine that there would be a way to list it so that a reader interested in "The Exile Waiting" would see it, but I'm left grinning over calling it<br />
::: A Farewell, from "The Clouds Return" (extract from "The Exile Waiting")<br />
:which just seems silly. I also added a title note to "The Exile Waiting" about its pre-publication name, but doing anything more to connect these records would seem unnecessary. Is there a better way to handle what I've left as the quotation marks? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 13:49, 24 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Quotation marks are normally used in a reference to indicate a contained work, so a short story, essay, or poem would be in quotation marks, while the container (book or magazine) would be italicized. The ISFDB title field allows the use of HTML, which could accept italicization (using <nowiki><i></i></nowiki>), but we discourage the use because it plays havoc with searches. In this case, the use of quotation marks would lead a user to mistakenly believe that the excerpted work comes from a contained work (a piece of short fiction) and that the marks were present in the published title (they don't). I would personally drop them all together, but since there is no documented standard (that I'm aware of) on how to handle such a case, it's pretty much up to the individual editor. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:00, 25 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Riddle-Master of Hed'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm if [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257541 this printing] was published under the Del Rey imprint? The cover scan appears to have the Del Rey Fantasy logo at the bottom left. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:22, 1 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Cover has Del Rey Fantasy logo. Title page says: "A Del Rey Book (over) Ballantine Books". Copyright page says: "A Del Rey Book (over) Published by Ballantine Books". Spine says "Del Rey Fantasy". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:43, 1 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Correcting the publisher field to "Del Rey / Ballantine" would group it with other publications from that imprint (instead of just "Ballantine Books"). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:52, 1 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: Done. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:13, 1 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Best of Planet Stories #1 ==<br />
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Added the artist to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35858 this]], Contento had Freas credited but to be sure I emailed Freas' agent and he confirmed the credit is valid. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 02:58, 3 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:27, 3 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Hot & Cold Running Cities'' ==<br />
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I'm trying to determine the edition statement practices of Holt, Rinehart & Winston. Can you look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17357 this book] and see if it has a complete number line? I just accepted a submission from an editor for another Holt publication which has the "First Edition" statement, but a number line ending in "2". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:41, 15 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: It has no number line. It says:<br />
Printed in the United States of America: 065/074<br />
First edition<br />
: and that's it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:48, 15 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Damn! That was fast. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:50, 15 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Waste Not, Want Not'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that there is an ISBN-13 in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?361345 this 2003 publication]? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:59, 18 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?384151 this publication], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?361337 this one]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:00, 18 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: The two Destroyer books have ISBN-10's, and I have corrected those (I suspect they were originally entered from Amazon, and I'm not careful enough about checking the -10 vs. -13 ISBN's). The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?384151 third one] is down at my office, so I'll check it tomorrow. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:10, 23 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ISBN-13 and OCLC ==<br />
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I'm working on a script that finds pre-2005 publication records which have an ISBN-13 (they didn't exist before 2005). I've found a pretty large number of them have been OCLC verified by you. If you use OCLC to create or update a record, there's a way of knowing which ISBN is printed in the book: on the ISBN line of an OCLC record the first number listed is the one that appears in the book itself. Their system then automatically generates the opposite ISBN which follows immediately on the same line. Sometimes a single OCLC record will represent two simultaneously published editions of the same title, usually the hardcover edition and the trade paperback edition. This is especially the case if both editions are listed on a single copyright page of the book being entered by the OCLC editor. I haven't been able to determine which order these are listed in the OCLC record, but it may be the same order as they are printed on the copyright page. Another good rule of thumb: if the book was published before 2005, it won't have an ISBN-13. If it was published after 2007, it should have an ISBN-13 (some publishers were late in converting so that's not as hardfast as the first rule.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:24, 18 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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A further concern: I'm also running across records (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371747 this one]) which not only have an anachronistic ISBN, but also have a price in Euros, before Euros existed. (And oddly priced, at that.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:01, 21 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Since the Notes field mentions that the data came (in part) from Amazon.es, I suspect that it may have been a copy-and-paste artifact. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:03, 21 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::That's possible. Still, when an editor copies and pastes they should be aware of the data they're copying and pasting. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:57, 21 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''La Divina Commedia'' ==<br />
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Checking submission history, I see that you worked on Dante's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1365774 ''The Comedy''] in April 2013. As far as I can tell, the four 1472-1529 pubs under this title are in Italian, so I wonder if we should change the title from ''The Comedy'' to ''Commedia''? Also, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?380425 ''La Divina Commedia'' (1472)] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?393025 ''La Divina Commedia'' (1551)] should be presumably changed to ''Commedia'' because the first use of the title ''La Divina Commedia'' apparently occurred [http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/dante_alighieri in 1555]. What do you think? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:32, 21 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I spent a little time going back to the original sources of that data. Some came from Wikipedia, which is unreliable because they don't care about the original title; some came from WorldCat which occasionally lists things as "[Divina Commedia]", i.e. telling us that's not really the title, but without additional elaboration. I found copies at various auction houses which were much more careful about actual titles. Turns out that the 4 pubs listed under "The Comedy" had titles of "La Comedia di Dante Alleghieri", "Comedia", and (twice) "La Commedia". I also changed those two early "Divine Commedies" to "La Comedia di Dante Alleghieri" and "Con Nuove et Utili Ispositioni", their actual titles. I'll mention that I don't, my any stretch, have all of the early editions of this yet, but I'll fill it out more later. I was focused on entering the earliest editions first. Thanks for pushing me on the actual titles. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:03, 23 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: Great, thanks! BTW, would you say that the three NONFICTION titles adapted by {{A|S. Fowler Wright}} should be changed to NOVELs? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:30, 23 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: I checked various online descriptions of those three books, to verify that they were editions of those books, and not ''about'' those books. They certainly are, hence they qualify as fiction. However, my impression has been that of the three books of The Divine Comedy, we view the first ("The Inferno") as genre, due to the large number of fantastical beasts and monsters, and list the full "Comedy" as genre because of its inclusion of The Inferno, but list the 2nd and 3rd books as Non-Genre because they are primarily religious books, or religious speculation. So I changed those three Non-Fiction titles to one Novel and two Non-Genre. Let me know if you think that's not the right way to handle them. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:32, 23 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Works for me! We can always change it later if and when we revisit the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:07, 24 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Astro-Adventures ==<br />
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This title is indexed by Miller/Contento. Back in February I created [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Miller-Contento_Checklist this checklist] so that editors who need information about the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?309643 Miller/Contento] would know I could help them. It probably would have been better if I'd let everyone know about the list. (Maybe I did, just can't remember now!) I'll pull out the CD-ROM and see if I can provide further data on the issues of this title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:37, 28 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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BTW, I noticed that some of the issues you've added abbreviate the month in the title field. It is ISFDB standard to provide the complete month in the title field of magazine records. Documented on this [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Title Help Page] in the subsection "Missing or variant dates" (don't ask me why it's given here and not under the earlier magazine subsection): ''The date part of a magazine title should be given after the title, following a comma and a space. The month should be given in full and then the year in full.'' [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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One last thing: in the Note field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?428831 this record] you say we usually don't count covers. For magazine records, we always count covers and always have. It's documented [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages here]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:49, 28 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I'll go check Contento and use that to fill out the contents. I figured I probably needed to check there, but hadn't done so yet. Thanks for the note on the month abbreviation. I actually searched the help pages to figure out what formatting to use, but I check the "Title : Magazines" section, and it was not clear there. I would never have thought to check that particular section. That's ''not'' a good organization for the page. I'll correct the page counts. I can see the reason for that policy, but didn't remember it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:08, 29 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: My mistake. I ''had'' checked the [http://www.locusmag.com/index/0start.htm online Contento/Miller], and they do not include this magazine in there. Their [http://www.locusmag.com/index/chklst/0chklst.htm magazine checklist] includes some basic details about these issues, but no contents. So I am left with no idea how to expand the contents beyond what I put in there last week. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:20, 29 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Bug 361 "Curly apostrophes display wrong" ==<br />
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Could you please provide an example of [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/bugs/361/ this Bug]? At one point Al added special logic to convert "right curly apostrophes" to plain apostrophes because so many of our editors were using copy-and-paste and creating duplicate records for identical pubs/titles. However, I don't think we do anything for "left curly apostrophes" at this time. I'd like to review the current behavior and see what our options may be. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:08, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Unfortunately, prior to submitting that bug report, I did a search for such quotes, and corrected all the ones that existed :-) . To demonstrate the problem, though, I just created a test [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1648624 title record], where you can see the effect of the problem. One oddity about Al's patch from before seems to be that if you do a title search (title rec or pub rec) for ‘, you will find this test record. But if you do a title search for the matching ’, you will get no records. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:58, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I should add that to see the effect, it's useful to increase the font size for your browser. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:59, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks, I see what you mean now. I see the problem with "left curly quotes" and I think I can fix it rather easily, but how did you get a "right curly quote" character into that field? I didn't think it would be possible given that Al's logic is supposed to change all occurrences of "right curly quotes" to apostrophes at data entry time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:31, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: P.S. Never mind, I figured it out -- it was a display artifact :) Let me see if I can fix the left curly quote problem... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:51, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: OK, I think the patch that I installed a few minutes ago resolved the problem -- the curly quote disappeared once I pulled up your test record, made a change and re-filed it. I then created a new pub record with curly quotes in the title and they were all automatically converted to regular apostrophes. Ditto with the single affected Author record that we had on file.<br />
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::: Just to be on the safe side, could you please try entering another "curly quotes-enabled" record to see if you get the same results? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:15, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::: It seems to display consistently, although there are some oddities. In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?429948 this publication], all of the curly apostrophes (‘ and ’) are shown as ''straight'' apostrophes. All of the curly quotes (“ and ”) are shown as ''curly'' quotes. So that is a slight inconsistency between how those two characters are handled. When I do in to edit the publication, though, all of the left curly apostrophes in the main fields have been turned into right curly apostrophes, but in the "Notes" field, both types of curly apostrophes have been turned into straight apostrophes. Apparently, Al's earlier patch means that all of the curly apostrophes are now shown straight, but it's an odd effect within the editor itself. (updated) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:54, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Oh, you mean "curly double quotes" in names like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165414 Anastasia “Balaa” Korochansckaja]? I think this is the first time that the question has come up. Hm... I guess we would want to convert them to regular double quotes just like we convert single curly quotes to apostrophes -- our Help already tells editors not to use double quotes in authors' name. Does it sound reasonable? If it does, I'll ask on the Community Portal before I change the software. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:16, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Yes, that's what I meant by that reference. I suspect we should convert them. I have a slight preference myself for the curly quotes, but I think standardization is more important than a "slight preference", and it's much easier to standardize on straight quotes. But there is still the oddity that you're not really ''replacing'' the curly apostrophes with straight ones -- you're just making it ''appear'' as if they had been changed. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:19, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: The conversion from curly apostrophes (left as well as right) to regular apostrophes occurs between the time the editor submits the HTML form and the time when the data is filed into the database, so the data that we have on file should be curly-free. Well, in theory anyway. However, when you pull up a record in an edit form, apostrophes are displayed using "&rsquo;", which browsers render as "right single quote", i.e. a curly quote. Perhaps that's where some of the confusion comes from? (Not that it's hard to confuse me at 1:30am :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:28, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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(unindent) It seems that this isn't quite the right explanation of the apostrophes. I edited that test document, and added some additional single apostrophes, both curly and straight. Saved, then edited again. In the editor that time, most ''but not all'' of the single apostrophes were being rendered as curly ones. Those that were straight were: the ones inside the note field; those in the "Author1" field in the Contents listing. One odd effect was that the name listed at the top didn't look quite the same as the name listed in the Contents. I went to a +200% resolution to be sure of what I was seeing, but the apostrophes are not being rendered the same in these various fields. It seems, then, that this cannot be an effect of how my browser is rendering the character, but must be an effect of what characters the system is sending to the browser. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:44, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Hm, curiouser and curiouser... I will need to play with it some more to see if it's just a display artifact or if it may cause duplicates and/or confuse the search logic. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:25, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: Good luck! I don't think it's a substantive bug, or high priority, but it would be nice to have it working the way it should be. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Publisher: Panini ==<br />
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Hello, Darrah. I saw your comment on this publisher and would like to propose a change of name to ''Panini (Germany)''. The reason for this is that the individual branch for a country is a legal entity on its own and that the individual publishing policy will differ from country to country (also the respective ISBN is only valid for a given country). What do you think of that? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:23, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I agree completely. We certainly do that with other publishers that have branches in multiple countries. The only two books we have from Panini are both in German, so I invite you to make that change. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks, Darrah. I changed the name to 'Panini (Germany)' and added some more comment. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Tuberculosis Bacteria Join UN'' ==<br />
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Hi. I have found two similarly titled stories by Joan Slonczewski, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?100358 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1637871 this]. Is there possibly some indication of the latter being a republication of the earlier Story or is it in fact a new or revised take? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:40, 19 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: They're the same story. Thanks for catching that -- I've merged them. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:54, 19 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== S-F: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy ==<br />
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I've altered the title for Merril's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29754 S-F: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy]'' adding the hyphens where they appear on the title page. I also made a similar change to the summation essay on page 343. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:44, 31 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Crossroads ==<br />
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I've created a record for Crossroads, v1 #12 July 1970 http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?431213 Prof [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 16:00, 31 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Yandro ==<br />
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I have a couple of 1967 issues of Yandro - shall I do the same for them as I did for the Crossroads issue? Cheers Prof [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 16:02, 31 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes, please do. I'm surprised we don't have Yandro included yet. I have some issues of it that need to be added as well. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:50, 31 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::The second of my copies has been added: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?431388 Prof [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 13:24, 4 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Science*Fiction ==<br />
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I've placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1658322 this editor record] into a series which generates an issue grid. I also changed the title to the standard "Title - Year" format. Although in cases where there's only one issue, it's not necessary to change the title field of the publication into an annual record. (But nothing in the rules prohibits this.) <br />
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One last thing, according to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Title ISFDB standards] (look under the "Missing or variant dates" subsection), the month given in a title field should be full (completely spelled out). So [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?431601 this publication]'s title would be "Science*Fiction, #1, January 1946". Most editors don't add a second comma in the title field after the issue number (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?25495 Interzone] as an example), but there's nothing in the rules that require it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:31, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the correction. Issue title corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:25, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Immortals of Mercury ==<br />
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You've started me poring over my Clark Ashton Smith bibliographies and as a result, I've added the price to your verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41984 The Immortals of Mercury]''. I've also noted the source of the price and added the Reginald1 catalog number. The Sidney-Fryer book is invaluable and I'm slowly correcting many of the dates of Smith's poems. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:54, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Wonderful! He is certainly an author we want to have good data about. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:37, 12 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== They Fly at Çiron ==<br />
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Does your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?355868 They Fly at Çiron] have an author's note about the history of the story/novel? I just added it to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50958 Tor paperback]. Thanks for checking, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:09, 14 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Van Vogt and Hull's Out of the Unknown ==<br />
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Could I get you to check if the jacket of your copy of Van Vogt and Hull's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25361 Out of the Unknown]''. I just acquired a copy an mine has a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/2/2f/TFTHNKNWNR1949.jpg different jacket]. I believe that I have the first state book mentioned in Currey (light blue mesh weave cloth). Currey also mentions two states of the dust jacket with the A state having a price of $2.50 and with the rear panel having biographical sketches about the authors. The B state has a price of $3.00 and a blank rear panel. My copy is unfortunately price clipped, but it does have the sketches on the back panel. My theory is that perhaps the second state dust jacket is what we have pictured.<br />
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I'm also going to start a [[Rules and standards discussions#Anthologies with No Editor and Few Authors|Rules and Standards]] discussion about whether this should more properly be an anthology and how the authors should be reflected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:50, 14 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: My copy is signed by both authors, and V.V. dated it Feb. 13, 1948 (i.e. 2 months before the official release date), so it's pretty certain to be the first state. It's the light blue mesh weave. The dj, of course, is not guaranteed to be the one from the original book, but appears from other evidence to be that one. It is unclipped, with a $2.50 price. The back of the dj has biographical sketches of both authors, the back dj flap has "forthcoming" advertisements for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11175 "The Sunken World"] (1948) and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297612 Death's Deputy] (1948). The cover is the same green/black/white image and lettering as yours <em>except</em> that under the title is a thin white band with "STRANGE • UNUSUAL • STARTLING • BIZARRE • STRANGE " on it. Does yours have that and just get clipped in the scan? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:40, 15 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::We certainly have the same book (mine, alas, is not signed) and I think we have the same jacket. I've scanned my actual cover and posted to my Library Thing account [http://pics.cdn.librarything.com/picsizes/94/24/9424484c3731f7159736d516877444341587343.jpg here]. Aside from the potential cropping cutting off "strange, unusual, etc." band, mine has a different lettering of the authors' names. Additionally, the title is in a green that is used for the moons, columns and the vulture in the cover illustration. The pictured cover appears to have the title in white, but that may be due to fading of the copy that was scanned. If the lettering of the authors' names matches that in the record then we actually have two different jacket states and I'll upload my scan as an alternate cover. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:56, 15 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Quinzinzinzili ==<br />
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A [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?432024 1935 publication] wouldn't have an ISBN, much less an ISBN-13. The OCLC record you link is for a 2007 edition. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:54, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Odd that I somehow switched from the oldest WorldCat record for that title to the newest. Thanks for catching that, it's been corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:37, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Dogland'' ==<br />
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Before I make a variant of the cover artist, can you confirm that they are credited without the "Inc." in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10508 this publication]? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:08, 26 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: The only place the cover artist is credited is on the inside back DJ flap. It says only "The Chopping Block", i.e. no "Inc.". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:47, 28 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Misaligned ISBN ==<br />
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Can you check to see if the ISBN-13 is given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399631 this book]? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:28, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312144 this book]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:44, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Both corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:58, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== KHM (Kinder und Hausmärchen) ==<br />
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I believe you were working on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?34744 this series]. It came up on a cleanup script as having two duplicated numbers (103). I know nothing about it or I would fix the numbering myself. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 09:55, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Not surprisingly, one of them was supposed to be the missing "113". I checked the German sources and corrected that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:45, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Sorry, I've been (slowly) working on these from a Fixer submission credited to the brothers Grimm using their full names. I got all of the contents entered and have the varianting in progress. As I've made the variants, I've been putting the German titles into the series. A second pass will be to go back through the other titles and make more variants where there should be. I'd like to say 1 -> 0 was fat fingers, but even my fingers are not that wide. Thanks for catching/fixing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:48, 4 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: Thanks for working on this. I kept meaning to come back and work on the varianting for these German titles, but hadn't got to it. It will be nice to have those set up right. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:25, 4 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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(unindent) While we're on the topic of this series.... Apparently there's an original 151, but Bell in 1897 decided to break them into two (see [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1937994317#reader_1937994317 this] -- search for 151 and look at the "Front Matter" results). So, do we want to have two 151s (as done, for example [http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/grimmtales.html here]), which I have done for the moment, and then continue on with 152 through 210? Or do we want to do as in that Look Inside's book and make the second 151 be 152 and then number through 211? Although I guess it'll bring itself to Michael's attention, I'd prefer the former approach (even if we end up with three 151s). Then there's only one anomaly, and it's easy to explain. What do you think? I've paused at the 2 x 151 point. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:58, 6 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::The cleanup scripts are for everyone's use, though I suppose your pointing out that I would question the duplicates is an indication that I'm the only one who actually "cleans up" the database. At one time I was able to keep up with all of the errors found by the scripts, but with the recent addition of new ones, I could really use some help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:54, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: You are doing a great job monitoring data consistency, Michael. However, please keep in mind that the recently added scripts expose problems which have developed over many years, so it will take some time to clean them up. 3,000+ problem records may look like a lot, but if we do just 30 every day, in less than 4 months everything will be cleaned up. No need to kill ourselves in a week-long marathon :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:59, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::That's ''exactly'' my point. I've worked on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/bad_images.cgi a new script] that found 3000+ records and fixed more than 100 in one long session. The problem is ''no one'' else is working on the scripts. If I let them sit, as others are doing, it won't take four months. It will ''never happen at all''. Your timeline suggests only one person's progress, so there's no "we" or "ourselves" in the formula. There are other recent scripts that have also resulted in thousands of bad records. I'm not suggesting that everyone set aside their own projects and to jump on a "week-long marathon" I'd settle for your "30 every day" from each of the active editors. After all, this is a communal project, not just individuals puttering around in their own private garden. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:21, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: How about 151.1 and 151.2 (or 151 and 151.1) now that non-integer numbers are supported? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:37, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:: I think that's a good idea. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:38, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::I just made the same suggestion on Marty's talk page. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:54, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sigh. All I have to say is: "Duh!" --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 03:57, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Synopses in CHAPTERBOOK records ==<br />
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Here's another one that was found using a cleanup script. This CHAPTERBOOK [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1690350 title record] contains the story synopsis. The ISFDB policy is to enter the synopsis in the SHORTFICTION [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1690351 title record] and not the CHAPTERBOOK title record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 09:59, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks, I should have realized that. Corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:53, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Fall of Atlantis'' ==<br />
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After adding Contents items to our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1945 6 editions] of {{A|Marion Zimmer Bradley}}'s ''The Fall of Atlantis'', I realized that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338641 one of them] had a verifier. Hopefully it's not one of those no-goodnik contentless omnibuses :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:57, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: I found my copy, and realized what had caused me confusion at the time I verified this. While the book is the combination of "Web of Light" and "Web of Darkness", neither of those two novels is listed as such anywhere within the book. Instead, the book is listed as being composed of five "Books": (1) Micon; (2) Domaris; (3) Deoris; (4) Riveda; (5) Tiriki. A bit of research shows me that the first two "books" constitute "Web of Light", and the last three constitute "Web of Darkness". But I don't know how to list this in the contents. The listing now, with the two "Web" books, does NOT correspond to anything you can find within the book itself. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:00, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:: I suppose we have two options: (a) keep it as an OMNIBUS and explain the situation in Notes and (b) change the title type to NOVEL, remove the two constituent titles and mention that it's basically a fix-up in Notes. If we have reason to believe that this edition didn't introduce any non-trivial textual changes, I would recommend option (a). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:38, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: I finally pulled my copies of all three books and compared them. There really is no "fix-up"; <em>The Fall of Atlantis</em> simply packages the other two novels together, except for not needing the 2-page "What Came Before" that's in "Web of Darkness". As such, I agree with your solution (a). I have added notes to the omnibus [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?887255 title record], and to the notes for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?2924 Atlantean title series], which contains these three books. If you have the chance, please look at them and see if they make sense. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:52, 19 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Looks good, thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:12, 19 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Grand Avenue ==<br />
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A [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?438224 book] published in 1994 wouldn't have an ISBN-13. Please refer to your source's data. When OCLC gives an ISBN they start with the stated one which is followed by the derived one (just as the new ISDFB display does.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:22, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Sorry, I'd entered that data from Amazon (who don't distinguish), then didn't notice that WorldCat was telling me otherwise. Corrected now. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:42, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::You didn't give Amazon as your source, so I had to assume it was from the only one you noted. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:50, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Zettel/Playing God ==<br />
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Hi - I added the "About the Author" to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26330 this pub] that you verified. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:16, 13 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Same for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14118 Fool's War]. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:22, 13 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Various Brothers Grimm story title spellings ==<br />
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In your transient-verified {{P|406464|Kinder- und Hausmärchen (Vol. 1)}}, do you have any way to tell (or guess) whether a second "o" was dropped from {{T|1539365|Von dem Machandelbom}}? You recorded some earlier editions of the same collection with its having two, which I believe is correct (it should be boom or baum). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:35, 17 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I realized you gave Wikisource for the source, so I can check these myself. I'm going to assume you don't need to be notified of anything I can correct in these by examining that source. Let me know if you'd like to do otherwise. I'll pull the other separate sections I had submitted after this into this one section, just for reference. I won't add further. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 03:10, 17 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Another possible typo. In your transient-verified {{P|406116|2nd edition}}, should/could "Der" be "De" in {{T|1538540|Der Gaudeif und sein Meester}}? The other editions use "De", which seems to be correct. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:49, 17 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Another... In the {{P|406451|3rd edition}}, could the final "e" on {{T|1538864|Die Alte im Walde}} be a typo? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:20, 17 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Could {{T|1538893|Der Sternthaler}} be "Die" instead of "Der", and is the "h" definitely present? I couldn't find any references having that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:42, 17 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== May's The Adversary ==<br />
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I altered the page count to Julian May's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35034 The Adversary]'' per [[User talk:Rtrace#The Adversary |this request]]. I also added several pieces of content (we only had the novel itself), though I couldn't verify the maps were the same as those in the US edition. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:21, 17 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Feature request 370 ==<br />
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Just a heads-up that I have started a Rules discussion of [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/feature-requests/370/ this FR], which you created in December 2012. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:40, 20 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== A Matter of Seggri ==<br />
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In your verified {{P|411468|Flying Cups and Saucers}}, there is a story by Le Guin titled {{T|938587|A Matter of Seggri}}. This is probably the same story as {{T|40605|The Matter of Seggri}}. Would you mind double checking this title and seeing if there is any previous printing information to indicate this is a variant title? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 01:59, 25 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:26, 4 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Delta Vision [Kiadó] ==<br />
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FYI, the answer to my middle point/question [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GaborLajos#V.C3.A1ros_az_.C5.91szi_csillagok_alatt__and_Delta_Vision_.5BKiad.C3.B3.5D here] potentially affects your verified {{P|339492|Levegö}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:00, 9 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible typo, but by whom? ==<br />
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Hello Darrah. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1607333 this essay], which apparently was reprinted in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?440782 Foundation #3], but possibly with a different title (which is not verified, given that the information was drawn from a secondary source: see notes for F3). Could you take a look at your copy of ''Extrapolation'', to see if it really is 'Suns'? Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 21:17, 16 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: It's at my office right now, so I'll check it when I get in there. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:18, 16 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Summer Songs With Music ==<br />
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Your verified {{P|437644|Summer Songs With Music}} has a publication type of NOVEL, but a container type of CHAPTERBOOK. Based on the page count, chapterbook is probably correct, but I will leave it to you as you're the verifier.<br />
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By the way, did you see the "A Matter of Seggri" question a couple of sections up? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:02, 22 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Petit Prince ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442816 This record] appears to be under the wrong title (without a dash in the name). Is that correct? Both the cover and the OCLC record give the dash. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:43, 24 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Absolutely correct. I had cloned it from a pub that didn't have the hyphen, and didn't notice it. Thanks for catching it. Corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:21, 24 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Diane M. Martin and Richard S. Russell ==<br />
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Please check the {{T|1528840|Rosemary's Grandchildren (Embryo, The Omen) (Movie Review)}} title record from one of your verified pubs. I believe the author credit needs to be changed to two author lines vs. the use of "and". Unless I'm missing something. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:13, 29 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for catching that -- I was importing from another database, and then thought I had caught all such instances. Richard and Diane were pretty much one unit at the time :-) but still deserve separate attributions. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:44, 29 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== CHAPTERBOOK record without content ==<br />
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I added a POEM content to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?443876 this CHAPTERBOOK publication record] per ISFDB standards. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:57, 1 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks; must have had a brain fart to forget that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:38, 3 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Death's Master ==<br />
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I think you duplicated [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233137 this pub] when you created [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270114 this pub]. They are both 3rd editions, but your entry has the correct information. I added a cover image. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 21:12, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Looks like the record I created, on 2010-11-02, was the first one, and the one that Rhschu created, on 2012-03-25, was the duplicate record. He has a publication date on his record (but lists no source for that), so the duplication wasn't obvious. I'll merge the two records. Thanks for noticing this. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:27, 6 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Bold as Love'' ==<br />
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I've added the frontispiece illustration for our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5176 verified pub] and identified the uncredited artist, detailed in the note. (Bryan Talbot did plenty of interior art for Gwyneth Jones's 'Bold as Love' series – see the website linked in the note). I've also replaced the Amazon cover image with a much better one. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 21:14, 16 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Snugglepot and Cuddlepie ==<br />
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This series popped up on the clean-up script because the first two CHAPTERBOOKS title records contained the series data. So I moved the series data to the SHORTFICTION contents (per ISFDB standards). In the process I noticed that the third book in the series, your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444661 verified record] was entered as a NOVEL. Based on its page length, I converted it to a CHAPTERBOOK, adding a content record which now contains the series data. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:01, 17 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I also moved the synopsis from the CHAPTERBOOK record to the SHORTFICTION record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:11, 17 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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And I moved the synopsis from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1041432 this CHAPTERBOOK record] to the SHORTFICTION record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:14, 17 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Sorry, I keep messing up the Chapterbook records. I entered the 3rd book originally as a "Novel", based on its thickness, then thought I had corrected it to a Chapterbook based on the page count, but apparently I failed to do so. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:07, 17 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Held submission ==<br />
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I've looked over [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_new.cgi?2280244 this held submission] and can find no reason for it to be held any further. (After four months you're not going to get a response from the editor.) My research has found that none of the titles in this anthology are spec-fic. (Read the editorial review on [http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/adoniram-and-other-selections-by-newbery-authors-martin-h-greenberg/1004580919?ean=9780836828603 this listing at B&N].) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:52, 19 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Now it's been five months and still sitting in the queue... [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:02, 17 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::I have done a hard-reject of the submission. If for any reason you need to see it, here is a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:WaughsubmissionDec2013.jpg screen shot] of it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:12, 31 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: My apologies. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:43, 6 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Hey, I am just glad that you are alive! :) After a few weeks I was beginning to get worried, what with our recent experiences... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:05, 6 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Just overwhelmed with the end of semester grading and other such responsibilities. Then I had about one day until WisCon, for which I'm on the convention committee, which coincided with the SFRA conference, where I was presenting. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:21, 6 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Busy is good :) at least within reason :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:13, 6 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Shadow on the Hearth", by Judith Merril ==<br />
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Could you respond to my remarks [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#.22Shadow_on_the_Hearth.22.2C_by_Judith_Merril here]? It's been a week now. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 18:47, 22 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Answered there. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:23, 23 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Charles G. Waugh's submission ==<br />
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Just wondering if you have tried e-mailing Charles G. Waugh about his held submission? He may not have visited ISFDB since last year and who knows when or if he may stop by again... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:50, 20 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:He's stopped by several times to update [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Bio:Charles_G._Waugh&action=history his bio page]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:26, 21 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Garan the Eternal ==<br />
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Your 2¢ [US, of course] would be appreciated on [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Garan_the_Eternal this]] discussion. Cheers! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 04:09, 13 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Knave of Dreams ==<br />
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There are two Ace editions of the above title that are virtually identical. [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?453022 this]] and [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?252861 this]]. The differences are in the notes for the first link. I don't know which copy you have .... Cheers! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 01:33, 15 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Reviews in "Quantum" ==<br />
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According to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Reviews the current help documentation]:<br />
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''Note also that only books, magazines, and short fiction are entered; if the column reviews fanzines, you don't need to enter the review records for these, only the ESSAY record. ''<br />
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So the fanzine reviews in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?452944 this issue] (and others if applicable) should be deleted as there is a single ESSAY record which represents them. You have the option to create publication records for each of the fanzines, but then you'd have to make sure that their editor records aren't merged in annual groupings as most publications are, because the reviews are of specific issues and not the editor records.<br />
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Also, it is not necessary to disambiguate the title in the title field of the publication record, in this case the addition of "(1970's)", because the authors aren't identical to any other use of the same title. For example, if an author has two different works published under the same title, you would have to disambiguate the title. That is not the case here. (If two different authors wrote a novel with the same title, there would be no need to disambiguate one to distinguish it from the other since there's no possibility of them being accidentally merged.)<br />
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Only [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?36862 the series title] would have to be disambiguated (as you've done) because there is already a "Quantum" series in the database. <br />
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BTW, the apostrophe here is misused. When referring to a decade, there should be no apostrophe as it implies possession and this is a plural word, i.e. the 1970s, or the Seventies, and not "the 1970's" or "the Seventy's". (Sorry if that's being too picky.) You could avoid the entire situation by naming the series "Quantum (1975-1978)" or something similar. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:15, 15 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Zoo of Zeus'' ==<br />
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Under current ISFDB definitions [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1740874 this work] is a COLLECTION and not a CHAPTERBOOK which can only contain one work of SHORTFICTION or a single POEM. If you consider the work to be a single poem, then the synopsis should be moved out from the CHAPTERBOOK record to the POEM record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:02, 16 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: For simplicity, and because of the common thread through all the poems, I'm viewing it all as a single poem. (I also don't think the book is worth giving her credit for 25 poems.) I'll move the synopsis into the POEM record. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:34, 17 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Firebird and Other Russian Fairy Tales'' ==<br />
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If Onassis is given as the author of the publication records, she must also be credited in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1740878 the title record]. (This is listed on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/ma_search.cgi clean-up script] that finds author field mismatches between publication records and title records.) BTW, even if Onassis is credited with the translation (and you've noted she isn't), she would not be credited as the author, since we don't credit translators in the author field. I'm not even sure if "modifying" existing texts is considered worthy of author credit. Editors do it every day. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:10, 17 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: I really don't know who to credit. Zvorykin made the pictures, and did his own personal translation of the stories into French, but those translations were <em>not</em> used as the basis for the stories in the English edition. The translations used were by translators uncredited. So I guess I could list the stories as by "uncredited". The impression I have, though, is that Onassis did some substantive editing of them to adopt them to the style of Zvorkin's original, and to bring them into alignment with his pictures. As you say, that's just pretty much what editors do. However, she's credited much more prominently than editors usually are. The title page for the book reads:<br />
<ul><ul><center>'''The Firebird'''<br>and Other<br>'''Russian Fairy Tales'''<br>* * * *<br>Illustrations by Boris Zvorykin<br>Edited and with an Introduction by Jacqueline Onassis</center></ul></ul><br />
:It seems to me fairly rare the credit the editor on the title page, which is why it seems to me that she should be credited more by us than a "normal" editor. Thoughts? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:32, 17 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::It is the ISFDB standard to credit '''only''' the author(s) of a work typed as COLLECTION or NOVEL. Neither the editor nor the translator is credited in the Author field of a ISFDB records. If you find records where they have been, those records should be corrected. FYI, I am credited on both the cover and the title page as the editor of two collections by Michael Bishop, but have followed the ISFDB standard and not credited myself in the Author field. I would venture to say that I put in more effort and logged more hours than Jackie O ever did in working on this publication. If you wish to revisit the ISFDB policy on crediting editors please start a discussion on the Rules & Standards page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:31, 17 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: I converted all 4 stories to "uncredited". I remove Zvorykin as a co-editor. That leaves Onassis as the editor and the author of the introduction. That should pass all of the clean-up scripts, and I think matches the ISFDB standards. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:17, 19 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Isaac Asimov Präsentiert: Die Wunder der Welt'' ==<br />
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Hello Darrah, I'll try to find out the month of publication for this anthology. While u wait: from the cover image it seems that it is 'präsentiert' instead of 'Präsentiert': the german regulations for capitals do somewhat differ from the English ones. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:39, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: You're right on the capitalization; I'll correct that. Thanks for checking on the month. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:56, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:: Month found and inserted with an accompanying note about the source. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:48, 19 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fanzine reviews ==<br />
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Perhaps you missed [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chavey#Reviews_in_.22Quantum.22 this message]. Those fanzine reviews are showing up on the clean-up script that finds publess authors. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:18, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: I believe I have that fixed. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:13, 19 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/si_search.cgi stray (publess) review records] are still in the database. Removing them from a publication doesn't delete them. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:57, 19 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: Gone. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:05, 19 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Bobbie Bubbles'' ==<br />
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Per ISFDB standards, I added a SHORTFICTION content record to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?453756 this publication], and then moved the synopsis from the CHAPTERBOOK title record to the SHORTFICTION title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:01, 20 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Dang, I gotta get better at that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:03, 20 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Vinge's ''The Dune Storybook'' ==<br />
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I changed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38931 this publication] from a NOVEL to a CHAPTERBOOK, adding a SHORTFICTION content record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:41, 21 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Appropriately done. That was a couple of years ago, when I was even worse about Chapterbooks than I am now. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:29, 22 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Edward Valigursky ==<br />
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Please see [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Ed(ward) Valigursky|this discussion]] regarding covers by Edward Valigursky. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:50, 24 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Crystal Scepter ==<br />
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With respect to your verified {{P|405955|The Crystal Scepter}}, the Amazon Look Inside for the {{P|456607|ebook version}} has Gary Lippincott credited for the cover art on the copyright page. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:07, 29 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:18, 30 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Three Times the Fear'' ==<br />
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The OCLC record which is linked to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51234 this publication record] indicates that the number in the title is "3". Librarians are asked to use the title which appears on the title page when creating OCLC records, so it's a good bet that the book (and the ISFDB record) should be titled ''3 Times the Fear''. Also, the titles of the individual novels were not included in the title. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:57, 7 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. I was going off the record on Wikipedia, but clearly OCLC is more authoritative. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:59, 7 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:: I corrected what had been the same issue with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51203 Three Books of Blood], now "3 Books of Blood". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:05, 7 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Since we're going with the OCLC as source, shouldn't the titles of the individual novels also be removed from the title fields? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:10, 8 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::: You're right. Those were left over from whoever entered the data first. I'll remove them. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:17, 8 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Tomorrow and Tomorrow & The Fairy Chessmen'' ==<br />
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Please join in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Padgett.2FKuttner.27s_Tomorrow_and_Tomorrow_and_The_Fairy_Chessmen this discussion] if you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:10, 14 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Cinderella ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?459068 This publication] came up on a clean-up script. It is missing a content record. Also, if it is only credited to Perrault, how can it be credited to him and an uncredited person? Doesn't seem logical to me. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:04, 14 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Perrault's story has been dramatically simplified and "versified" by an uncredited author. It's just not the same story. I'll fix up the content record. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:06, 14 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Publications should reflect the actual credit. (I don't see any credit at all in the image of the publication, unless it's inside.) If it's known to have been altered by another known author, some editors create a variant title record which credits both authors (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1207060 this one].) If both authors are credited, then a variant isn't necessary (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?337623 this record].) If the abridger is not known then it's handled like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1421483 this one]. Usually abridgers are not credited except in the Note field (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1176006 this record].) I'm not sure that any of these approaches have been documented in the Help pages, but it might be a good idea to start a discussion on the Rules & Standards page if you feel there should be a documented standard on how to handle abridged and/or adapted works. In any case, the publication record itself should credit the author(s) as stated in the publication. It's only at that point that an editor determines if its title record should be varianted. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:30, 14 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Dragonshadow'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the maps are credited to "Shelley Shapiro" and not {{A|Shelly Shapiro}} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11289 this publication]? If so, please make it a variant of a record crediting the artist's canonical name. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:26, 16 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: My mistake in reading the signature. I'll correct it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:33, 16 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Loncon 3 ==<br />
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I just wanted to let you know that I was able to catch Jeanne before one of her panels and pass along your greetings, which she seemed pleased to recieve. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:53, 23 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks! I'll have to ask her whether my roundabout greetings came as a surprise :-) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:28, 24 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== 2000 A.D.: Illustrations from the Golden Age of Science Fiction Pulps ==<br />
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I added some notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?243081 this verified pub] (there were none), and changed the cover artist from Virgil Finlay to Brian Miller because of the statement on the backcover. Hope you can agree. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:17, 5 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
: Also added a link to the Amazon cover. ps, the illistration is also signed as "Miller" --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:21, 5 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The People Collection'' ==<br />
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Please add the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288585 this publication] when you get a chance. It's showing up on the clean-up report that finds OMNIBUS titles without contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:05, 6 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Done. Mostly. Can you remind me how we handle a situation? One of the "novels" listed in this collection is "The People: No Different Flesh"; at least the ToC treats it as a novel. Elsewhere, we have it listed as a collection, and SFE specifically refers to it as a collection of linked stories, and NOT as a fixup. Should I list the name of the collection alone, the short stories that make up the collection, or both? The embedded collection has its own ToC, as does the fixup novel "Pilgrimage", but the short stories do NOT have separate title pages. My inclination is to err on the side of more data, but I'm not sure of that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:38, 6 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::We add a single content record for the COLLECTION and then add individual content records for each piece of SHORTFICTION contained within it. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20631 this OMNIBUS], which contains a COLLECTION (of four pieces), a NOVEL, and another COLLECTION (of four pieces). <br />
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::As to the second part of your question, SFE agrees with us that ''Pilgrimage'' is a fixup (thus NOVEL) and ''The People: No Different Flesh'' is a COLLECTION. We don't include contents that make up the first (the fixup NOVEL), but we do include content records of the second (the COLLECTION). Your record will be complete by just adding content records for the COLLECTION. [Sorry about the delay in responding to your response.] [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:37, 19 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: Thanks much! Record updated. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]]<br />
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== Walrus and the Carpenter ==<br />
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You have verified a pub containing {{T|1307540|Walrus and the Carpenter}}. Should this be a variant of {{T|924474|The Walrus and the Carpenter}}? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:18, 13 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: It certainly should! Correction made. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:50, 13 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Suburban Harvest'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?477614 This publication] should be typed as COLLECTION, since it includes only one author's work. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:20, 14 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: As should [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1772304 Leaflet #7]. I knew that, but had a brain fart after (correctly) setting Leaflet #1 to an anthology. Thanks for catching it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Wo ist unsere Welt'' (?) ==<br />
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Hello, Darrah! There seems a question mark to be missing for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?387225 this pub.] (it's probably also missing for the previous publication with Goldmann). I'd also like to add the cover artist Eyke Volkmer (also for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?477897 Geschenk von den Sternen]) and the month of publication (based on the respective publishing schedules of ''Goldmanns Weltraum Taschenbücher'' in those years), if you don't mind. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:44, 14 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: You're absolutely right. I had done a PubUpdate to add some stuff, and hadn't noticed it was missing the "?". I found a cover image for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?387224 first edition], and verified the (grammatically required) question mark, so I updated the title rec and both pub recs. Please go ahead and add the other data as well. It seemed obvious to me that those two books had the same cover artist, but I couldn't identify who it was. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 13:17, 14 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::I only own the pb edition and the credit for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?124122 Eyke Volkmer] is only stated as for the cover design ("Umschlagentwurf: Eyke Volkmer" is printed in the copyright section). The correct credit stems from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1602213 this art book] (= "It Doesn't Look Like That in Outer Space!") where he is also credited for the cover art of ''Goldmanns Zukunftsromane''. I'll add the rspective credits and data. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:33, 14 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::The name Bingenheimer who is credited as translator for ''Wo ist unsere Welt?'' and a few other Goldmann titles rang a bell and I did some research: it does seem that he didn't do the translational work, see the note I added to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1441255 title]. I also deleted the credit from the publication and hope this works for you. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:33, 15 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: Thanks for doing the research on that! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 13:46, 15 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Broken Citadel alter page count to include music score? ==<br />
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"The Broken Citadel" by Joyce Ballou Gregorian {{P|id=BRKNC1983|name=ISBN 0441080995}} includes a music score after the numbered pages.<br />
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Should the pages field be 331+[1] instead of 331 with a note "Music score 'Airs, Ancient and Modern' included after numbered pages? [[User:DStandsh|DStandsh]] 01:44, 29 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:I submitted an edit to this effect. Please excuse my presumption. I'm new to ISFDB and still making lots of blunders.[[User:DStandsh|DStandsh]] 02:15, 29 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::I've been holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?2520957 this submission] for a couple of weeks, knowing you were unavailable. Please look it over and tell me whether to accept it or not. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:44, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::I've released the hold so that you can handle it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:28, 14 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: I agree with the change. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:51, 25 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Gaskell's ''The Serpent'' ==<br />
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I believe [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340882 your verified record] is the same as the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269740 record] earlier verified by Bill Longley. (Except for the pub format: tp vs. pb.)<br />
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Also, it looks like it's time to archive this talk page (three years and 300+ topics!) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:45, 30 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:It's been awhile since I posted it (knowing you were away for a few weeks), so have you had a chance to check out the Gaskell novel? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:47, 19 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:: These are the same book, and I have deleted my version and verified his. My recording it as a "tp" seems to be a result of its larger-than-normal size and an apparent mismeasurement of mine before: I thought it was 4 1/2" wide, and a more careful measurement shows it's 4 7/16". Because it's "almost" a tp, I've added the exact dimensions to the notes. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:27, 25 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Gaskell's The City ==<br />
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I've changed the ISBN and expanded the note's for our mutually verified record for Jane Gaskell's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285052 The City]'' per [[User talk:Rtrace#Jane Gaskell's "The City"|this discussion]]. Please let me know if you disagree with any of the changes I've made. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:56, 4 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: I agree with all of those changes. I've added a note that the correct ISBN is listed on the copyright page. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:33, 25 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Hank & Lesleigh Luttrell ==<br />
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I believe {{T|1528885|Twiltone Rag: Views on Fanzines}} (from your verified pub) should be entered as by {{A|Hank Luttrell}} and {{A|Lesleigh Luttrell}} instead of as by {{A|altName=182831|Hank & Lesleigh Luttrell}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:08, 18 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Especially since they're now divorced :-) Thanks for catching that; it was an automated script entry that I didn't catch at the time. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:53, 25 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Alien to Alien ==<br />
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{{T|1146583|Alien to Alien}} is entered as a shortstory, but it is from a {{P|365157|The Magazine of Speculative Poetry}} (your verified publication). While it's not inconceivable for a poetry magazine to have a shortstory, there is another {{T|1781713|Alien to Alien}} which is listed as a poem. I was wondering if by chance the first should really be a poem and these should be merged? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:23, 20 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Data entry error on my part -- or something weird happened when it got merged with the version in Pitchblende. But it's definitely a poem, and I've corrected and merged them as you suggested. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:14, 25 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Arnason's ''A Woman of the Iron People'' ==<br />
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I've started a discussion [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Arnason.27s_A_Woman_of_the_Iron_People here] that concerns your verified record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:43, 22 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Gate to Women's Country'' ==<br />
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If [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?425686 this] was published in 1993, it can not have included an excerpt from a novel first published in 1996. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:42, 29 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:It's been a couple of weeks, so I thought I'd ask again. I wouldn't bother but it's showing up on an error report which I'd like to clear. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:36, 13 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:: I am unable to locate that paperback. (Too many of my paperbacks are not, currently, organized.) It seems to me that I probably did a clone of another printing, which had the "Gibbon's" excerpt, and neglected to remove it even though this printing did not have it. To be safe, I have removed that content item ''and'' removed the 1993 publication date (and changed the note referring to this). When I locate that book, I'll re-verify it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:45, 15 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== McCaffrey novel ==<br />
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Can you confirm the publisher credit given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?419746 this publication record]? Most sources give it as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?2437 Brandywyne Books]. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:22, 6 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: You are correct. Change made. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:07, 15 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Bug 550: Title variant web page additions discarded silently ==<br />
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I seem to be unable to recreate [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/bugs/550/ Bug 550]. Would you happen to remember the exact sequence of events? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:28, 17 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: I am unable to replicate the error as well, and this time my submission, for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1442517 Teräsluolat], worked correctly. Presumably some other problem was to blame (bad Internet connection? I was on the road using a hotspot). The bug should be closed -- I appear not to have the authority to close or cancel it myself. That now affects Feature Request #740, which may still have some value: In most cases, IMHO web pages should ''not'' be added to most forms of title variants, although they should be able to be added for language variants. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:44, 18 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks for the confirmation! I have closed the Bug report and updated the FR's description.<br />
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:: As far as the substance of the FR goes, there may be various complications and ramifications. For example, if an editor turns a title into a variant of another title, we would need to move the Web pages to the parent titles -- unless the language codes are different. We'll also need to decide what to do if the parent doesn't have a language code assigned. So basically "probably doable, but not trivial". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:17, 18 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: That seems about right. As such, it's probably worth lowering the priority -- another task that I appear not to have the authority to do (or at least can't figure out how), even though I created it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:21, 18 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::: OK, I have changed the priority to 3. As far as privileges go, I don't really understand how they work on SourceForge. They "improved" the interface a couple of years ago and now I have no idea what is going on :-\ [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:34, 18 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I have the same problems with their "improved" interface. I've only recently figured out how to search for "Open tickets containing XXX", which was not intuitive. I can't find any way to search for "Tickets created by Chavey", and of course no way to change a priority once I'm past the ticket creation stage. But now that I'm officially in my 7th decade, I guess I'm officially an "old fart" and would be expected to complain about how those young kids are messing everything up now-a-days :-) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:54, 18 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: I just noticed that you said you changed the priority to "3". Doesn't that raise the priority? I thought "1" was the most crucial priority, and "9" was the least crucial. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:01, 18 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Back when we began using SourceForge, the interface showed 7-9 in red, so 9 was presumably the highest priority. I am not sure the new interface uses the same colors, but that's how it started. Of course, it's all arbitrary, so we could change the convention at any time.<br />
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::::::: As far as age goes, I think Jack Benny had the right idea. Pick an age you are comfortable with and stick with it! :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:48, 18 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Wow! ==<br />
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Wow! Please take it easy and don't overexert yourself! That's a very common mistake that a lot of people make after a heart attack -- I lost a good friend that way many years ago. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:22, 24 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, please concentrate on getting better and do things that are good for you: no stressing, please! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:20, 24 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::My very best wishes for a complete recovery. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 16:34, 24 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::And mine for a speedy recovery as well. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:37, 25 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for the wishes! I'm doing pretty well now, although with very sore arms (catheters, IV's, and blood draws), and with a need to take more naps than usual. Both of my kids, and both of my grandchildren, came home for Thanksgiving, and we had an wonderful, albeit emotional, time together. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:10, 30 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Happy to hear things are looking up! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:29, 30 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Matter: Reading the Bones ==<br />
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Please see the edits by Gzuckier which I have on hold as they impact your verified {{P|67870|Dark Matter: Reading the Bones}}.<br />
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Also, I just saw the above. I hope you are doing better. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:28, 13 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks much! I answered over on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Gzuckier#Dark_Matter:_Reading_the_Bones Gzuckier's page], and I recommend waiting to see if he responds, but eventually rejecting the edit. And fortunately, I am feeling '''much''' better. Still pretty sore, with lots of bruises still recovering, but feeling strong enough that I just got back from two hours of private dance lessons :-) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:10, 14 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::This is the first I've heard of your problems. Sorry to hear you've been down, but glad that you're back on your feet, literally! Keep on dancing, friend! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:26, 14 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Awesome! Wishing you the best. I rejected the content additions, but I did have a question on the story title edits. I left that at Gzuckier's page to keep the conversation together. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:13, 14 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Pinging you again just in case you didn't see the prior one. We still have some open questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Sorry for the delay. Answered over there. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:17, 18 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Vincent Parke and Co.'s ''Works of Jules Verne'' ==<br />
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ISFDB standards would consider this one publication of multi-volumes. So just as we handle box sets containing more than one work, we would create a single publication record (as an OMNIBUS), and enter the contents (NOVELs, SHORTFICTION, etc) all in this single record, using the Note field to explain how the works appear in the separate volumes. This would avoid the problem caused by having SERIALs in books (currently the rules only allow them in periodicals). A few of these records appeared on a couple of cleanup reports because of the way they were entered. I cleaned up one problem (the split of ''The Giant Raft'') but couldn't figure out how to handle the other "serial" of ''The Mysterious Island''. If the ISFDB standards were followed, i.e. creating a single publication record, the errors would be cleared. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:27, 18 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Six of the volumes had already been entered as separate works, so I continued that process with the other volumes. But I also would prefer to see the whole thing done as a single Omnibus, so I'll gladly [sort of :-) ] go back and correct that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:39, 18 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:: Done. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:28, 27 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Ursula K. Le Guin's "Another Story or a Fisherman of the Inland Sea": shortstory or novelette? ==<br />
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Hi. Could you please check if the story [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?231031 Another Story or a Fisherman of the Inland Sea] in your primary verified collection [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?114651 A Fisherman of the Inland Sea] is really a ''shortstory''? I ask because I found [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1735085 this other record of "Another Story or a Fisherman of the Inland Sea"] which is a ''novelette''. These two records should probably be merged because they the look like they are the same title. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 22:26, 23 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I just saw that the parent title of "Another Story or a Fisherman of the Inland Sea", [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?53430 Another Story] is a ''novelette'' as well, therefore I guess that would be the correct story length for "Another Story or a Fisherman of the Inland Sea" [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 09:01, 24 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Counting words on 3 random pages gave me an average of 363 words per page, for just under 44 pages. That's 15,900 words, hence a novelette. Also, nominated for four awards as a novelette. As a Primary3 verifier, I was not the one who set that to "Short Story", so I'm glad you found that error. I corrected it to a novelette, and merged the two titles (the short story version and the novelette version.) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:49, 27 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== French anthologies ==<br />
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Hello, you've created two anthologies of the "Livre d'or" series. Note that all the titles in the Doémieux are listed as being in English and that, in both cases, the french capitalization rules are not respected (capitals and hard space before "?") . There is also likely a lot of merging and title date determination to do. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:12, 25 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Conversation moved to Hauk's page. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:55, 27 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Bold Strokes Books ==<br />
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Fixer knows of 124 missing ISBNs published by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4654 Bold Strokes Books], which [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bold_Strokes_Books specializes in lesbian fiction]. Would you be interested in working on them? I try to enter books by (relatively) established Bold Strokes authors when I process Fixer's monthly runs, but I don't have the bandwidth to handle unknown-to-ISFDB authors :( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:59, 1 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Sure, I can do that. I have a couple of friends who are SF fans and also read lots of lesbian fiction (a local LGBT bookstore is staffed by a long-time SF fan), so I can do a first pass through them. Go ahead and send me the ISBNs, either here or by email. (Either would probably be better than dropping them on the moderator Submissions" list.) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:46, 3 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: Great, thanks! I can send you a detailed list of ISBNs, e.g.:<br />
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Price: $15.95 Pages: 272 ISBN: 1602820023 / 9781602820029<br />
Publisher: Bold Strokes Books Date: 2008-01-02 Binding: Paperback<br />
Pub: American Goth<br />
Authors: J. D. Glass<br />
URL: http: //ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Vr7npGKXL.jpg<br />
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:: Alternatively, I could create standard submissions and post a note on the Moderator Noticeboard asking moderators to ignore Bold Strokes submissions since you would be working on them. Which approach do you prefer? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:00, 3 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Why don't you just send me the list via email, and I'll work on them that way. I'm pretty good at running scripts on data like that, both to look them up and to enter them, if they turn out to be spec fic. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:10, 3 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: The paperback ISBNs are on their merry way. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:48, 3 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Got em! I'll start to work on them next week, after I get caught up on some other pressing things (like reading for the Tiptree award). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:59, 4 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Sounds like a plan :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 01:18, 4 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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(unindent) After thinking about it some more, I realized that it may not have been such a good idea after all. If you determine that some ISBNs are not SF and discard them, Fixer will have no way of knowing that the ISBNs have been processed and will eventually submit them again. I guess once you finish massaging the data, I will compare the newly added ISBNs with the list that I sent you via e-mail and correct any discrepancies in Fixer's database manually. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:36, 11 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Stokes eds. of ''The Secret Garden'' ==<br />
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Can you check to see if your copy of this is correctly credited to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?41250+1911 Frederick A. Stokes] or the more common usage in the database [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6965 Frederick A. Stokes Company]? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:59, 8 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I'm away from home for a week, but I'll check when I get back. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:39, 9 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Bug 760 - Synopsis field for Chapterbooks should be shaded out ==<br />
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I seem to be unable to recreate [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/feature-requests/760/ Bug 760]. The only way I can do it is by choosing a different "Add [pub type]" option and then changing the pub type in the drop-down list. Is that what you had in mind? If so, then keep in mind that there is an outstanding request to remove the "Pub Type" drop-down list. The reason it was originally needed was to support non-genre novels, which, of course, are handled differently now. Once that request has been implemented, the issue should go away. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:57, 9 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#PubType_in_NewPub_made_non-editable Done!] [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:13, 14 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:48, 14 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Luna Monthly, March 1970 ==<br />
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Please check the unlinked reviews in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?498950 this publication]. At least one of them ("The Adventures of Phoebe Zeit Geist") is a book of comic strips and the record should be changed to ESSAY. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:19, 20 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: During the next couple of weeks (I suspect), I'm going to slowly be entering the contents for about half the issues of "Luna Monthly". (I've entered basic data for all 68 publications, and own about half of them.) After I enter them, there will often be another stage of correcting reviews that don't automatically link to something we have. So these will be showing up on the nightly report. But I will be doing that resolution step as well, albeit also slowly. Thanks for letting me know about that this one was all comic strips -- that wasn't obvious from the review. I'll change it to an essay, and keep plugging away. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:35, 20 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I was hoping that eventually someone would acquire copies of this important fanzine. There was an auction on eBay awhile back which offered almost the entire run and I was tempted to bid, but let it slip away. Thanks for taking on the task. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:06, 21 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Glad to be of help :-) Sorry I missed that auction before, but I'm piecing together a collection. So far I have 37 of the 67 issues. Since it was edited by a woman (Ann Dietz), it's a natural for my collection of works by women authors. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:28, 22 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Forerunner Foray ==<br />
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Hello, I've changed the artist from Ladd to Siudmak and modified the notes accordingly for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?320870 your verified pub].[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:04, 23 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Feminine Future ==<br />
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FYI, Fixer has added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500138 ''The Feminine Future: Early Science Fiction by Women Writers''], but there are no details at this time since Amazon lists only 4 of the 14 stories. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:25, 26 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks! I can't find the full table of contents anywhere on the Internet. But I now have the book on pre-order, and I'll add the contents when it shows up. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:43, 28 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: Excellent! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:00, 28 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Review linked to CHAPTERBOOK ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1817396 This review] probably should have been linked to the SHORTFICTION record and not the CHAPTERBOOK record. Exceptions can be made for picture books in which both the art and the story are reviewed. If a review is only of the story, as I suspect this is, it should be linked to the SHORTFICTION record. (This appears on a cleanup report which finds REVIEWs linked to uncommon title types.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:52, 26 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for catching that - it certainly is a review of just the fiction. Corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:37, 26 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Dating of reviews ==<br />
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I've noticed that you're entering the dates of reviews based on the date of the reviewed work. It's ISFDB policy to date title records the date of their first publication. Since these are the first publications of the reviews they should be dated the same as the publication in which they appear. For example, all of the reviews in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?498971 this publication] should be dated 1972-01, unless there's an indication that the review is a reprint. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:22, 27 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks, I seem to have forgotten that policy. I'll fix it up. There are a couple of Luna Monthly reviews that were reprinted from elsewhere, so I'll have to check on the dates of those "elsewhere" appearances. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:13, 28 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: I was mistaken about some reviews being reprints -- apparently I can't remember where I saw that recently. But the dates on the reviews entered for Luna Monthly so far have all been corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:39, 29 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Reviews removed from a publication ==<br />
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There are three orphaned reviews showing up on the summary page for {{A|Joyce Post}}. If these were removed from a publication record for legitimate reasons, they should have also been deleted from the database. Since the other reviews were from ''Luna Monthly'', I'm assuming you may have entered them and then removed them from the record. If they actually appear in the publication, there should be records for them, even if you determine that the titles are non-genre. In that case you remove them, delete them, and add an ESSAY-typed record for each of the reviews. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:28, 27 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: You assume correctly, and I forgot that those reviews created a title record that needed to be deleted. All of the "kid's books" reviews appeared in a column titled [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1817389 Lilliputia]. So for the reviews of non-genre work, I've included a note about those reviews in the Essay record for the column. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:18, 28 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Minor changes to Dawn's Awakening ==<br />
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I've made some minor changes to your verified copy of {{P|297340|Dawn's Awakening}}. Mostly I've added to the Notes with more information about what is on the copyright page, but I've also added an excerpt from Mercury's War to the contents. Working from 1st printing borrowed from public library. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 03:51, 31 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I never bother putting those excerpts in the contents. In the same way that I don't put in data about advertising pages at the end of a book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:52, 31 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Kith ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500925 This record] has an ISBN-10 which is anomalous for a 2010 publication. Also, there is no source for the data provided, but I can assume it's not from OCLC which gives the page count as 111 and the ISBN-13 as 9780439855662. Also the first edition of the work was published in hardcover on 2009-10-01 according to Amazon. That should be the date of the title record. One last thing: it's a graphic novel and should be entered as a CHAPTERBOOK with a shortfiction content record for the story. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:37, 2 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I had based my entry format on the other book in the series that had already been listed. (I was filling out the sequence.) Calling it a Chapterbook makes much more sense. Other errors corrected as well, and I'll go back and fix up the other 2 graphic novels in that series. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:53, 2 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I've corrected the page count to match the OCLC record. OCLC uses the same method we use to determine the page count. Amazon's page counts are from publishers, most of whom count the number of sheets in the book (even those that aren't printed) multiplied by four. (A sheet is folded in half, creating four pages.) That's why most of Amazon's page counts are in multiples of four. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:03, 2 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Thanks. I think I corrected one of them based on the WorldCat page count, but I suspect the other two still had the Amazon page count -- which I generally don't trust (for your reasons). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:10, 2 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "In the Land of the Unblind", by Judith Merril ==<br />
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While verifying [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503109 a book of mine] that contained [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?50845 "In the Land of Unblind"], I noticed that it was a poem, and not the "Short Fiction" that we currently have it listed as. I checked it with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35819 another book] I have that contains that title, and verified that it was a poem there as well. An essay in [http://www.philsp.com/articles/pastmasters_15.html Galactic Central] refers to it as a poem, and Judith Merril's daughter lists it as a poem in her [https://books.google.com/books?id=5DtnxXdAw9IC&pg=PA271&lpg=PA271&dq=&quot;In+the+Land+of+Unblind&quot; bibliography] of Merril's work. So unless someone knows a reason otherwise, I'll be changing that work to a poem in a couple of days. Since this affects a content item in 7 different verified publications, I am asking those verifiers to post any comments about this change here, instead of at the notice on their page. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:27, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree with the change. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:34, 15 February 2015 (UTC). <br />
::No problem for me even if, in some cases, some New Wave texts are hard to pigeonhole. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:30, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: I'll agree with Hauck on that :-) . Which is why I suspect it got past so many of us for so long. It was only when I was looking at the German translation that I realized it was a poem, and hence did the research to verify. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:41, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I have a remark (or two) on this book: 1) I personally would drop 'Stories' from the title, it is really just a subtitle to make a difference to novels, marking it as a COLLECTION (just as 'Roman'=NOVEL in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410908 this case] or STORIES [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?490924 here]). 2) As in the examples for the previous item the size appears to be typical for a german paperback, and doesn't differ from other publications in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?452 series] so shouldn't it be categorized as PB? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:34, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: You're certainly right about the size; I just erred there. Personally, I'd rather keep the "Stories" to make the distinction between the short story "Töchter der Erde" and the collection "Töchter der Erde Stories". But a little research shows that there are no other German titles in the system that keep that word in the title, so I will bow to the default standard and change the title. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:50, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::It's structured like a poem, but a quote signed JM, presumably by Judith Merrill in the introduction to the story (FSF, 10/1974) says '''"Do not call it a poem."''' Edward Ferman in the same introduction also calls it a story, and listed it in the index as a "short story."--[[User:Rkihara|Rkihara]] 17:11, 16 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Sorry. I missed this conversation and when the German version came up on a cleanup report as a title mismatch, I changed it to match the English version. If the consensus believes it's a poem, please change it back. In any case, they should agree. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:22, 16 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::For what it's worth, [http://repository.tamu.edu/bitstream/handle/1969.1/92230/JUDITH%20MERRIL-PDF-Sep23-07.pdf this 2006 bibliography] lists the work under poems. Typing prose poems for the ISFDB sucks big time. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:42, 16 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Looks like someone did a 'mass-change' already as I don't leave contents as 'shortfiction' except for excerpts and in both the books I've verified this title is the only one listed that way. To the proposed change, if the author says it's not a poem, why should we make it one? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 20:12, 16 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Where the Ni-Lach Author ==<br />
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Chavey, I'm looking at what I think is the Canadian edition of {{P|id=WHRTHNLCHM1983|Where the Ni-Lach Author}}. While on the copyright page the author is given as "Marcia J. Bennett", the cover and title page has "M. J. Bennett". Is yours the same? I had thought that the title page version of the author is the one to use, possibly creating a pseudonym. Am I mistaken? Thanks, [[User:DStandsh|DStandsh]] 01:25, 19 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: You are absolutely correct! I verified this 4 years ago, and clearly didn't understand the details yet. I have corrected that publication to be a variant of the canonical title, and set "M. J. Bennett" as a pseudonym for Marcia. Thanks for catching that! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:32, 19 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks Chavey. [[User:DStandsh|DStandsh]] 04:37, 19 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Volusek" or "Valusek" ==<br />
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Can you confirm the interiorart credit in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38033 this publication]? We have several records for this same work credited to "Valusek" in the db. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:13, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Just a reminder or if you overlooked this post. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:36, 12 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Old Flesh Song" - "Ini" or "Ibi" ==<br />
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Can you confirm the author credit for the story on page 150 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?67870 this publication]? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:07, 21 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Typo. Corrected to "Ibi". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:28, 21 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking ISFDB records to SFE3 images ==<br />
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Please join in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ahasuerus#Invalid_SFE3_cover_image_links this discussion] when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:25, 25 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Mammoth Book of SF Stories by Women'' ==<br />
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Hello, Darrah! Thanks for the work on the Perry Rhodan links. I have answered to the problem on Ahasuerus' talk page.<br />
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I'd think I also own the American edition of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?486288 anthology], at least it has the American & Canadian prices on its back. However 'my' cover image corresponds to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?471873 British edition]: the authors are mentioned on the cover in that order. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:27, 27 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: You're right! I hadn't noticed the difference in the ordering of the authors, but my copy also has Karen Joy Fowler second. [And since she's my boss right now, I'd better make sure I give her the proper priority :-) ]. I wonder how Amazon got a photo with the other order of authors? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:34, 27 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I do wonder if there's really any difference between the continents: since the book was printed in the EU and I obtained my copy in a german bookshop that mostly has British editions in its foreign language department & Robinson is printed on its copyright page, it might have been published exactly the same over here - just with an British or Euro (as in my case) price sticker. All that considered: shouldn't the publishers be unified to something like Running Press / Robinson? What do you think? <br />
::I added the xiii extra pages. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:15, 27 February 2015 (UTC) Thanks, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 10:09, 27 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: It shouldn't be listed as "Running Press / Robinson", because that's the format used for an imprint of Robinson, which isn't what's happening here. We have lots of other examples where two publishing countries in the US & UK are working together on a release -- but they're still distinguishable by where they were printed, so we use the company appropriate for that release. The US/Canadian edition should be listed as from Running Press, and the UK edition as from Robinson. If you want, you could add publication notes that these editions are essentially equivalent, but even that isn't necessary. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 10:09, 27 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Aurora, Summer 1984 or 1985 ==<br />
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Can you determine if [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289788 this record] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395654 your verified record] are for the same publication? They have different editors and slightly different publishers, but appear to be for the same issue. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: And has an article by me, listed in the contents of the verified record, and in the notes of the unverified record. Whoever entered that record was correct about the error for the date on the cover; there are references inside that clearly show it was produced in 1985, and my memory of working on the Evangeline Walton article also places it clearly after 1984. That person entered Jeanne Gomoll as the editor, and while Jeanne did most of the work on the issue (IMHO), Diane Martin was officially listed as the editor (as is confirmed by the [http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/janus/aurora SF-Encyclopedia]). I'll correct the date on the verified Aurora issue, and I'll grab the comment about the theme for the issue, but the editor and publisher are listed correctly in the existing record and are incorrect in the unverified issue. Unless you see any remaining concerns, one of us should then delete the unverified issue. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:53, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Once you've transferred any data you might need, feel free to delete the unverified record. Don't forget to change the date field of the publication and the dates of its contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:55, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Thanks for the reminder -- I changed the date on the pub and title, but forgot to do so on the contents. I'll do that now. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:57, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== T Cooper ==<br />
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Earlier today I merged "T Cooper" and "T. Cooper" before discovering that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?438177 one of the pubs] had been verified by you. It would appear that this author meets the Help criteria for "period-free initials": "when it is clearly the author's choice to omit the period, or when the author has a single letter name that is not an initial (e.g. "Harry S Truman") the period should be omitted". Would you agree? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:14, 5 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: You're absolutely right, although I hadn't noticed it before. His web page makes it pretty clear that "T Cooper" is the only way to spell it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:19, 5 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks for checking! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:55, 5 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "McHendry" or "McKendry" ==<br />
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Can you confirm the cover art credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39181 this publication record]? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:38, 12 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Just a reminder to see if you've had time to check this. Appreciate it if you would. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:00, 13 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: That's how it's spelled on the dj flap. The style is certainly very much like that of [http://www.kennymckendry.com/portraits.htm Kenny McKendry], hence he may be a typo. McKendry's web site does not mention a "McHendry" misspelling, nor does it show that particular piece of artwork. And the [http://www.namespedia.com/details/Mchendry Names Encyclopedia] does list McHendry as a valid surname, with at least 164 occurrences. But it would be quite a coincidence to have two artists with such similar names and similar portrait styles. If you want to ask him, Kenny McKendry's email address is: kennymckendry@googlemail.com; I cannot find any appearance of "Kenny McHendry" online other than references to this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:25, 13 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Map in Children of Hastur ==<br />
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Please join in [[User talk:Rtrace#Map in The Heritage of Hastur|this discussion]] regarding the map in ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250651 Children of Hastur]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:39, 12 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Het Geboortegraf ==<br />
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Can you check your copy of "Het Geboortegraf" from Tanith Lee. I've got a different date of the second print mine is in juli 1985.~Thank you. [[User:Wjmvanruth|Wjmvanruth]] 09:42, 12 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== De Rode Zon ==<br />
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I updated this record I also put an image on the record. [[User:Wjmvanruth|Wjmvanruth]] 20:53, 14 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "A Day in Fairyland" ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507925 This CHAPBOOK] requires a SHORTFICTION content record, as does the other publication under this title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:10, 24 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Sorry. Corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:26, 24 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Great Britain ==<br />
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Great Britain is the name of an island, not a country. It is a geographic name for part of the nation officially known as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which we abbreviate as "UK" for ISFDB purposes. "Great Britain" shouldn't be considered a birth place based on the ISFDB standard: "City, Administrative division, Country". England is a country which is part of the UK, thus we indicate "England, UK" for those persons born there after 1707. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:01, 1 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Never mind. I see that the country was officially "Great Britain" between 1707 and 1800. Now I understand you're only changing those who were born there during that period. Sorry for the intrusive, and unnecessary, history/geography lesson. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:07, 1 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: S'alright. And I'm sure there will be lots of editors who attempt to "correct" the "Great Britain". Wikipedia says it was "The Kingdom of Great Britain, officially Great Britain", so it's tempting to put these authors as being in "Kingdom of Great Britain", because that would make it less likely to suffer from the misunderstanding you just had. "Great Britain" appears to be more technically correct, though. What do you think? "Kingdom" or not? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:10, 1 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I think you're correct that it may cause a little confusion, since the term is now used only for the island and not as a country. Adding "Kingdom" might mitigate the confusion, but no one can argue about it being officially just Great Britain for that century (at least according to Wikipedia). Doing a quick search I see there are about a dozen or so that are entered as "Kingdom of Great Britain". And all in Scotland. Strange that no English authors have been assigned to "Kingdom of Great Britain". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:12, 1 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Those were all my changes from yesterday, based on the third paragraph of Wikipedia's article on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland Scotland]. It refers to the Kingdom of Scotland merging with England to form the "Kingdom of Great Britain". I also realized the conflict between what I did there and what I did with England's side of Great Britain, but I decided not to change either one until I got your opinion. I've also concluded that "Great Britain" isn't enough; it should be either "England, Great Britain" or else "England, Kingdom of Great Britain", and Scotland during those years should have the same format. Changing to "England, Great Britain" will probably also reduce the possibilities of misunderstanding the role of "Great Britain" in that location phrase. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:24, 1 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::That works for me, and, more importantly, falls in with the ISFDB standards. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:56, 1 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Double Vision ==<br />
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Your verified {{P|360624|The Anastasia Syndrome and Other Stories}} contains {{T|1827214|Double Vision}} as a shortstory. There is also {{T|653977|Double Vision}} as a novelette. Would you mind double checking the size on yours and seeing if these should be merged as a novelette or if it is abridged, add a note to your title record?<br />
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Also, did you ever get a change to look into [[User talk:Chavey#A Matter of Seggri|A Matter of Seggri]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:49, 5 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I'm out of town for the week, but I'll check on those books when I get back, early next week. (Playing with the grand-children all week :-) )[[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:52, 7 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== To UK or not to UK? ==<br />
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Just to let you know I have started a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#To_UK_or_not_to_UK.3F discussion] with Dirk re: this issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:41, 7 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Des Geschlecht der Magier'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm the cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436242 this publication]? I'm thinking it may be the same artist {{A|Enric}} whose full name is "Enric Torres-Prat" and occasionally credited as "Enrich". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:35, 13 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Never mind. Another user has made him into a pseudonym and varianted the record, so the question is moot. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:28, 20 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Bryan or Brian Boylan ==<br />
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Can you confirm the credit for the cover art in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411663 this record]? The same cover art is credited to "Brian Boylan" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35728 the English edition]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:50, 14 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:It's been a week and I was hoping you'd be able to respond by now. There's also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chavey#.22McHendry.22_or_.22McKendry.22 another post] which has been awaiting a response for more than a month. Hope everything is going well and that you've just been too busy to answer. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:22, 23 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Cast in Courtlight, Michelle Sagara ==<br />
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I've made some changes to your verified copy of {{P|337972|Cast in Courtlight}} (mass-market paperback edition). Mostly additions to Notes about what is on copyright page, more about the ad that suggests early printing, and more contents. Also found a source for the cover artist, so I added that and put the source in the Notes. Added an excerpt of "Cast in Secret" to the contents. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 20:00, 22 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Unlinked reviews ==<br />
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Two reviews in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?318363 this publication] didn't link to the titles because the authors didn't match the titles. I know each of them edited the selection of the other, but the ISFDB records for COLLECTION-typed records only credit the author and not the editor. That's why the reviews didn't link to their respective titles. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:24, 24 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, it's been a week and you haven't responded so I went ahead and corrected the author credit of these reviewed titles and linked them to the title records. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:23, 1 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Yearnings #1 ==<br />
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"Jane Fancher" came up on the clean-up report which finds titles assigned to pseudonyms and all four appear in the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?511969 this publication]. I would have normally gone ahead and made the variants, but saw there were a few more concerns about the publication record. <br />
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* Multiple INTERIORART records which illustrate the same work and are by the same artist should be disambiguated with squared brackets ''after the first one''. The purpose of disambiguation is to prevent the merging of identically titled records credited to the same person. I can see two instances in this record that needs disambiguation. The first case is the two illustrations by Fancher for "The Siege of Suncliff Island", on pages 44 and 52. The first work would just be titled "The Siege of Suncliff Island" while the second one would be titled "The Siege of Suncliff Island [2]". In the next case, there are two works by Wendy Pini with the same title ("Yearnings") so the second will have to be disambiguated with "[2]". The parenthetical disambiguation of the other titles should be removed.<br />
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* Some of the stories have starting pages which follow the page on which an illustration appears, for example: the first illustration for "The Siege of Suncliff Island" is on page 40 and the story starts on page 41. According to ISFDB standards (documented in the Page subsection of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#General_contents this help page]), the story should be given as starting on page 40.<br />
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::''Exception for works which have illustrations preceding their title pages - If a magazine presents artwork for a story or essay preceding the piece's title page, and it is apparent that the art accompanies the text, the starting page of the story or essay should be the page number of the artwork which illustrates it. ''<br />
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* The use of decimals in the page numbers given for the works on pages 61, 91, 94, and 96 is not standard. If you wish to sort multiple works published on the same page you can use the "pipe method" as explained in the same subsection linked to the help page above. So the four works on page 61 would be entered as "61|61.1", "61|61.2", etc. That way the four works would then be displayed as appearing on page 61 but in the order in which they appear on the page.<br />
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One last thing: I believe Arlan Keith Andrews (author of the poem on page 96) is {{A|Arlan Andrews}}, and will need to be pseudonymed and varianted. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:05, 24 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Found something else: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1848846 this work] is credited to a single author "Betty Cerritelli & Debra Vorgias". It should be credited to two separate authors. The same may be true of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1848852 this work], but I have no idea if "The Daystar & The Black Mountain Holt" may be one person or two. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:10, 24 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:If you haven't responded in the next day or so, I'll make the corrections based on the ISFDB standards. I see you continue to edit but you haven't responded to messages on your talk page for more than a month. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:27, 1 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover art credit found ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411664 this publication]: This anthology reproduces the cover art from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62281 this issue of If], which credits Rick Sternbach as the artist. I've updated the credit on your verified record and gave the source for it in the Note field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:29, 29 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== 3rd Ian McDonald ==<br />
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The "Ian McDonald" who wrote "Pot O'Rice Hortowitz's House of Solace" (1991) in Whispers From the Cotton Tree Root is neither the Ian McDonald (born 1960) the story is listed under, nor the 2nd Ian McDonald (born 1946) but actually a THIRD Ian McDonald born April 18, 1933 in Trinidad (info from his Wikipedia page)<br />
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: Thank you for correcting that. This story isn't listed with him on his Wikipedia page, but I independently verified that you're correct about this attribution. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:30, 13 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Thief & The Roller Derby Queen ==<br />
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Would you mind checking that {{T|457991|The Thief & The Roller Derby Queen}} in your verified <i>The Chick is in the Mail</i> has an ampersand (as listed) vs. an "and"? There is {{T|332141|another entry}} with an "and" and I figure I'd double check before varianting. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:58, 4 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: In the ToC, it's listed with the word "and", but at the story title page itself, it's listed as "&", and of course that takes priority. I would hazard a guess that the hc edition has the same status, which means that record should be changed. (No one has verified that, so there's no one to ask, and Amazon's Look Inside feature for the hc book switches to the pb edition.) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:17, 13 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, thanks for checking. The hc has been updated and the two records varianted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:09, 15 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?181357 The Fiction of James Tiptree, Jr.] ==<br />
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Hello, Darrah! I'd like to propose some changes for this volume: 1) ''Tiptree Revealed'' is not credited in my copy (it seems it should be varianted to Charles N. Brown); 2) It's ''Author's Afterword'' by Dozois; 3) I'll add some notes for the copyrights. Would this be okay? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:42, 7 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== I'm back to work ==<br />
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My apologies for being out of touch for the last couple of weeks. Annoying how one's job can get in the way of your hobby. But I'll be responding to questions asked here on my talk page during the next 24 hours or so. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:17, 12 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Welcome back! As it happens, a few of the editors who asked you questions are currently unavailable themselves :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:04, 12 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Worlds Apart ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55401 this publication]: Can you confirm the cover art credit is Lawrence and not {{A|Laurence Cutting}}? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:06, 16 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: The dust jacket reads: "Wrapper by Lawrence Cutting", and he is credited nowhere else in the book. The style of this cover is, however, very much in the style of "Laurence Cutting". They were both doing work for British publishers; Laurence was a professional photographer, and his covers that we have are modified from photos, as is the cover of "Worlds Apart". It seems quite likely to me that this is a misspelling, but I can find no evidence stronger that "likely". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:27, 18 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Triton ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117281 this book.] Cover art is by Tony Roberts. Credited in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273410 this book]. Record amended accordingly and replaced cover with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:05, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Padgett's Tomorrow and Tomorrow and The Fairy Chessmen ==<br />
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Please see [[User talk:Rtrace#Padgett Changes|this discussion]]. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:56, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Christmas Carol'' dramatization ==<br />
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I added the missing SHORTFICTION content to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516132 this publication]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:16, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you. I thought I had done that, but obviously not. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:24, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== I signori delle stelle ==<br />
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I found the ISBN for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383238 I signori delle stelle] Can You verify it? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 13:11, 25 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Added a date ==<br />
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I added the month of the date to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?224801].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 22:51, 25 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Legal names ==<br />
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When you get a chance, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Six_authors_with_murky_legal_names this section of the Community Portal]? (I am leaving this message on the Talk pages of the editors who I believe are interested in internationalization issues.) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:05, 28 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Vrouw 2000 ==<br />
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I'll be verifying my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?422835 this book] one of these days. In the notes you state "Copyright page includes the code "D 1979/0265/306", whose meaning (other than the publication year) the verifier does not understand". The code is explained [http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depotnummer here], in Dutch of course. In short, the structure of the code is D/JJJJ/XXXX/YY, and is mandatory for anything published in or about Belgium. The D stands for "wettelijk depot" or "dépot legal", JJJJ is the year of publication, XXXX is the code given to the publisher by the Royal Library of Belgium, and YY is the serial number of the publication (for this publisher, in the year of publication). Thus D 1979/0265/306 means this is the 306th publication by "Het Spectrum" in 1979. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 18:04, 28 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks! The additional material after the publication year doesn't seem relevant to us, but feel free to either clarify that in the notes or delete it, as you think appropriate. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:43, 28 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I adapted and added to the notes. Also uploaded a coverscan (unfortunately the spine of my copy is rather bleached), normalised the capitalisation and changed the pagecount from 227 to 230, the last printed pagenumber. Hope you can agree. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:31, 30 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== De Strijd om het Licht ==<br />
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I added some notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?356052 this verified pub]. Also changed the number of pages from 319 to 320 (the last printed number) and uploaded a coverscan. Hope you can agree. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 20:29, 4 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Judith Merril - The Best of Sci-Fi 12 ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282645 this book]. Cover art is by Josh Kirby. Listed in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19064 Cosmic Cornucopia] and on this [http://ansible.uk/misc/joshlist.html webpage]. Record ameded accordingly. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 19:26, 5 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== SFem ==<br />
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I added coverscans and some notes to your verifications in this series, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426155 De Vrouw-man], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?356017 Margaret en Ik] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?422834 De Tijd van de Jeneverbes]. Also changed the publication date of "Margaret en Ik" from 1982 to 1981 (No idea where "De Boekenplank" got 1982. Fandata has 1981 and is generally more reliable), and deleted the note "Shares cover and ISBN with the tp edition." from "De Tijd van de Jeneverbes", there was no tp edition. Hope you can agree. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 19:59, 5 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Nebula Award Stories 11 ==<br />
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Cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196941 this book] is by Angus McKie credited on page 41 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273276 this book]. Record amended accordingly. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:51, 6 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Submission in queue ... ==<br />
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... concerning one of your verified publications (a Polish one by Tiptree), Darrah. Just thought it'd be better if you handle it directly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:55, 10 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. I approved it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:34, 10 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dolphins of Pern ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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In http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?333170 you state slight cover variants to the choosen one. I uploaded [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/4/41/THDLPHNSFJ0000.jpg] of 14th printing which has also non-gold colored author name. If this equals you printing, it's probably a good idea to switch the image there also. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] 13:52, 21 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks much! Your cover is, in fact, identical to that of the 13th printing, so I just substituted in a link to that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== World's End ==<br />
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Monogram initials FJG are those of Fred Gambino in relation to the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262268 this book]. Record amended accordingly. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 18:52, 9 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks much! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:34, 9 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Herland" ==<br />
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When you turned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?18132 this title] into SHORTFICTION, you made 20 publications show up on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/cleanup_report.cgi?52 an error report]. To fix the problem, you'll have to change all of those NOVEL records into CHAPBOOK, add a CHAPBOOK record to each publication record, and then merge the CHAPBOOK records into one. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:45, 22 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I just downloaded the version on Project Gutenberg, and the word count of 53K makes it a novel. So I changed the type back to NOVEL which will save you a lot of work. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:56, 22 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you, and my apologies. In retrospect, I'm not sure why I thought it was a novella. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:34, 22 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I use the 100-page threshold as a guideline. Anything more than that I don't usually bother about checking the word count and just take for granted that it's a novel. Of course, font size and margins play a big factor as well. The average page count for standalone publications of this work are well above the 100-page threshold. <br />
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::I see that you removed the "Complete Novel" serialization of the hardcover annual of the periodical and replaced it with the individual parts. That makes for very unusual display under the title. If you consider this a reprinting of the various parts (which it technically is), then you should adjust the note about it being a book publication of the work. All sources acknowledge that the novel wasn't published in book form until 1979. Following the ISFDB standard which states that a novel's publication date should be that of its first book publication and not its serialization in a periodical (with which I strongly disagree, but begrudgingly follow), the date of the title should be changed to 1979. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:06, 22 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Sandra or Sandro ==<br />
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Can you confirm the credit for the introduction in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503491 this publication]? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:21, 22 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: My mistake. "Sandro". Corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:51, 23 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Coldest Girl in Coldtown'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm the publisher as given on the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423762 this publication]? According to most sources it's just "Little, Brown". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:42, 30 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I'm currently unable to find this book. When I find it, I'll come back to this question. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:41, 11 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mutant Weapon vs. Med Service ==<br />
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Please see [[ISFDB:Community Portal#The Mutant Weapon vs. Med_Service]] as a primary verifier of {{P|29135|Science Fiction Showcase}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:47, 3 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== CHAPBOOK without content ==<br />
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Please add the required SHORTIFICTION content to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?530388 this CHAPBOOK record]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:31, 6 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Done. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 13:21, 6 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::A play is not a novelette, but simply entered as SHORTFICTION without length. (Just as we do excerpts.) I've removed the length. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:29, 6 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: It inherited that when I merged it with the existing SHORTFICTION record for Macbeth, but I suspect the error there was an earlier error on my part when I entered the first four folios. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1426613 Hamlet] is also listed as a novella -- I assume that should be changed as well? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:52, 6 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Black Swan, White Raven ==<br />
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I have changed my verification to transient for {{P||Black Swan, White Raven}}. You may wish to switch your Primary2 verification to Primary1. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:05, 9 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:54, 11 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Born to Exile ==<br />
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[[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] has [[User talk:Rtrace#Born to Exile|asked me]] to add individual titles for the Fabian artwork in our mutually verified publication, Eisenstein's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?238369 Born to Exile]''. Do you have any objections if I do so? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:30, 11 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: No problem! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:53, 11 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Love and War ==<br />
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You verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?320287 Love and War], illustrated by Stephen Fabian. I would be grateful if you would enter the individual illustrations. Several appear in later art books, and I would like to match them to their originals. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:10, 18 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Halfling and Other Stories ==<br />
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User Horzel found the artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41209 this pub] [http://www.catalogovegetti.com/catalogo/E0307.htm#SA008 here]. I added the credit and notes. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 19:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool! Thanks! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:37, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== 2000 A.D. ==<br />
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I'd like to add titles for the artwork in Sadoul's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?243081 2000 A.D.]'' provided you have no objection. It will probably take me some little while to get through them all. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:08, 16 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: No problem! Go ahead. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 12:27, 16 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Default display of non-English translations ==<br />
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When you get a chance, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Followup_to_Translations_not_shown_on_author_page_when_not_logged_in this discussion]? The proposal basically boils down to changing the behavior of the Summary Bibliography when the viewing user is not logged in. Currently only English translations are displayed for unauthenticated users. The proposal would change it to displaying ''all'' translations. The downside is that the Summary page could get longer and harder to navigate.<br />
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I am trying to get a sense of how widespread the support for this change is. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 01:03, 20 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== NFF, November 1946 ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?463494 this publication]: For periodicals, the Page Count field should give the total number of pages, including the covers, as a single figure. (The ISFDB standard for determining the page count differs for magazines and books.) It appears that this record gives the pagination and not the page count. Also, "Dunk" should be made into a pseudonym if a variant is created for it. (That's what brought this record to my attention, because it appeared on a clean-up report.) One last thing, if the data is from another source, it's not clear why it's been primary verified. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 08:18, 27 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Sorry about the pseudonym; I thought I'd set it. But I'm glad it led to correcting the pagination. Most of the early issues that I'm entering are unnumbered, but some of the later issues are paginated, and I'll remember to use the standard pagination. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Allan Chen or Allen Chen ==<br />
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Can you confirm the credit for the letter on page 57 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404280 this issue of Janus]. There are letters in previous issues as by "Allan Chen". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:05, 7 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: That is definitely how the names are spelled in those three issues (#8, 9, & 11). They all have the same address, hence are clearly the same person. I've emailed the editor to see if she knows which is the correct spelling. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:47, 8 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: In addition to 2 appearances in Janus as "Allan", I also found him (with the same address) in an issue of Tightbeam as "Allan", so that is almost certainly the correct spelling. But I'll wait to see if Jeanne Gomoll can verify that before making the pseudonym. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:52, 8 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Jeanne says she doesn't remember, so I'm going with the preponderance of evidence and assuming he's "Allan". I set up the appropriate variant/pseudonym. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:02, 8 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::You did the variant, but not the pseudonym. It showed up on a clean-up report so I created the pseudonym. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 07:19, 9 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Weird. I thought I had done it. Well, something went wrong, so thanks for fixing it. I'm doing some of the 2-author covers right now. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:23, 9 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Reviews of works which are not eligible for the database ==<br />
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The review of the work by Alfred Korzybski in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?542562 this publication], should be entered as an ESSAY instead of a REVIEW. That policy is stated under the Reviews section [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Contents_always_included here]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:05, 12 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I was trying to decide whether the book itself was worth adding. My impression is that it's directly enough related to SF to justify inclusion; I take it you agree with that assessment? (In which case, yes I would switch it to an essay.) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:09, 12 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I can't see any relationship to SF. What drew you to that conclusion? <br />
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::: I worded that wrong. (Too late at night) Doesn't look relevant at all. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:39, 12 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Also, about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?542568 this issue] (which showed up on a cleanup report because the Arthur J. Cox piece wasn't varianted). I changed the capitalization of two titles (little "of"s). But can you confirm that the piece by Carolyn Gaybard is fiction? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 07:12, 12 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Also an error. Changed to essay. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:39, 12 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Also, you've not given the source for the data of any of these issues. That's a very important part of ISFDB quality control. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 07:14, 12 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]]<br />
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::::You removed the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1922647 the review record], but didn't delete it. I also see that an ESSAY hasn't been added to the publication record to replace it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 15:30, 12 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Review record removed. I didn't replace it with an essay, because I don't know what the essay would be titled (it was only in the eBay listing as "a review of ..."). And, since the notes already specify that it's only partial contents, it didn't seem important enough to list under a "fake" title. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:06, 12 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Astorita" ==<br />
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When you get a chance, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Verification_requests#Science_Fiction_Yearbook.2C_Number_4_and_Science_Fiction_Yearbook.2C_Number_5 this discussion]? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 01:04, 13 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Done. It's "Astarita" (more detail there). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:26, 13 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: Arigatō! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:55, 13 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Review in ''Fantasy Advertiser'' April 1951 ==<br />
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About the review of ''Lost Continents'' in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?542563 this 1951 issue]: de Camp's series of articles didn't until late 1952, and were gathered in a book for the first time ine 1954. I can't find the eBay auction which mentions this review, even though there were 4-5 listings for it. Can you confirm the review from your source? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:38, 15 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I found [http://www.amazon.com/Advertiser-Anniversary-Stirling-fanzine-installment/dp/B00H8D2OA6 this Amazon listing] which mentions the review as well. I suppose the "review" is based on the manuscript, since it was sold to Prime Press in 1948, but they never published it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:43, 15 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: It came from an old eBay listing, which is no longer up. (I collect eBay listings of fanzines, and when I realized I had a full set of listings for Fantasy Advertiser, I posted the relevant data on ISFDB.) It's still up on that Amazon listing, at [http://aboutread.com/book/B00H8D2OA6/Fantasy-Advertiser-April-1951-Fifth-Anniversary-Edition- AboutRead.com], and in a listing from [http://www.abebooks.com/FANTASY-ADVERTISER-.1951-april-gus-willmorth/16932212955/bd Graham Holroyd], whom I have found to be a reliable source. I suspect you're right about it being a review of an advance copy -- e.g. of the series of essays he published in 1952-53, or of the 1954 book. I didn't know about that 1948 manuscript, but that does make it sound like it may have been what was reviewed. Should the review in Fantasy Advertiser be changed to reflect this status? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:32, 16 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Maybe an explanatory note in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1923149 review's title record] would be the best place. Anyone looking at the list of reviews on the book's title record may think it's odd that a book published in 1954 would be reviewed in 1951. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:29, 16 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Done. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:55, 16 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Radica / Rodica Prato ==<br />
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Can you confirm whether it's necessary to create a pseudonym/variant for the map credited in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47061 this publication] or if it's a publisher's typo that needs correction? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 16:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I edited the publication record to include the exact statement from the copyright page, which differs a bit from what was listed there before. But it is certainly spelled "Radica" there, and is clearly a misspelling of "Rodica". Although the "NewPub" help page section on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Author.28s.29 "Authors"] isn't explicit about it, my understanding is that a misspelling is varianted (and not just corrected). So I set that pseudonym. I suspect that the other Zelandonii map in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?76765 Prato's bibliography] also has the inset, in which case it could be merged with this one; or varianted from this one if it doesn't have the inset. Presumably, we'd have to check with Ofearna, the verifier of the volume with that other map. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:27, 20 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Those standards are for author credit, not artist credit. I believe when an art credit is obviously wrong, it should be noted and corrected. There is no stated policy that opposes that action. There are too many cases where art credit is wrong that to not correct it causes more trouble than it's worth to follow the same standard as author credit. I may be in the minority in believing this, especially now that the ISFDB has turned into the ISF&ADB. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:20, 20 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: That makes sense to me, and brings it in line with the standards for Interviews, which don't try to track misspellings. I changed the book so it's credited to "Rodica", with a note about the spelling error. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:50, 20 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Garan the Eternal (2) ==<br />
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I have updated your verified {{p|228201}} to add the short stories ''One Spell Wizard'' and ''Legacy from Sorn Fen''. Please visit a discussion at [[User talk:Bluesman#Garan the Eternal]] where we are discussing if this should be classified as a collection or omnibus. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 01:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Errored out submissions? ==<br />
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I am looking at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/recent.cgi?0+P list of ''Errored Out and "In Progress" Submissions''] and I see a significant number of PubUpdate submissions which had something to do with changing the Artist field. 8 of them were created by you between October 13 and 18 and I wonder if you may be able to recall what was changed and how the software (mis)behaved? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:45, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Never mind, the bug has been found! :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:02, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: Since I wrote up the description, here it is anyway, and you could check whether this explains the bug: <br />
:: As I was getting used to the details of converting "Cover1 and Cover2" to "Cover with 2 authors", I made several errors. I would open the book, and the cover. Then I would delete the author of "Cover2" from the book, and add it as a second author for "Cover1". Now the correct thing to do is to submit and save the book (reduced to a single author on the cover) and then submit and save the edit to "Cover1", changing its author to a double author. If you do those two saves in the opposite order, it causes the system great consternation. That was the cause of every (IIRC) every one of those "Errored Out" submissions. It would result in a Python error, I'd click on the pub record number, and start over. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:07, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Thanks for the write-up! Unfortunately, it's even more complicated than it appears to the end user :-\<br />
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::: If the software determines that the editor is trying to remove a COVERART record from a publication, it deletes it from the database. ''Then'' it checks if that COVERART record is also being used by another pub. If is, it ''re-adds'' it to the database. The code is fairly convoluted and the changes that added language support messed it up.<br />
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::: There was similar (less convoluted, but seriously flawed) code in "Delete Pub", which I eliminated a few weeks ago. I expect that the whole thing will go away once we have the new COVERART logic in place. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:19, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: P.S. I should have clarified that this only becomes a problem if there are 2+ artists associated with the unlucky COVERART record. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:58, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Glad you're enjoying the debugging :-) Mostly I included my writeup above knowing that, whatever the underlying bug was, this at least gave you a defined process for checking whether the bug was eliminated. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:13, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: For some values of "enjoying" :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:25, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: :-) &nbsp; There's a saying in math that √(1 + x<sup>2</sup>) is approximately x, for small values of 1. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:05, 27 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Unaccepted submission ==<br />
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Just a heads-up. One of your submissions has been sitting in the moderator queue for about a week. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 16:39, 30 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. That was an error, I had replaced it with the correct submission, and neglected to cancel that one. It's gone now. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:34, 30 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== De Wereldbrekers ==<br />
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I'd like to add some data to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?425714 this verified pub]. The translator is Pon Ruiter (credited for "redactie") and there's an author's note on page 7 (translation of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1541862 this note]. I'll also add some notes and a cover scan, and I already changed the price from ƒ7.50 to ƒ17.90 as stated on the backcover. Can you agree? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 19:23, 31 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:It's been a week now, so I made the suggested changes. Hope you can agree. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 08:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Remedios Varos or Varo ==<br />
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Can you confirm the cover artist credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?197389 this publication]? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 15:54, 6 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: "Remedios Varos" corrected to "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?141265 Remedios Varo]". Basic data added to her bio page. This does lead to the oddity that since her native language is Spanish, and the book was in English, that cover art is now listed as "Cover: Dangerous Space [English] (2007)", even though there is no "English" within the art itself. But I guess that's what happens when we take a database intended for written works and try to force it to become a database for art as well. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:55, 7 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::True. COVERART and INTERIORART records shouldn't have a language field. I've asked and it was considered, but I'm not sure if it will ever happen. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:49, 7 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The SAPS Index ==<br />
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Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547136 this] a fanzine or a fan publication? If it's periodical, the former would apply, and its editor record would have to be placed into a magazine series. If it's not, then it should be typed as NONFICTION. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 08:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I'm not completely sure. It was distributed like a fanzine, i.e. as part of SAPS mailing #48. It makes reference to a previous index by Walter Coslet, and there's an editorial essentially begging someone to continue the effort for "the next four years". (Coslet indexed #1-12; Eney is indexing #13-34 here. There appears to have been no later issue). My impression is that it should probably be treated as a fanzine with two issues and two different Editor records. But is also shares a lot of characteristics with a one-shot fan pub, e.g. as a straight index, it includes none of the writing (other than the intro) that we would expect of a fanzine. What do you think? (Added: The NedBrooks fanzine listing has this as an "Apazine".) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:33, 14 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I've come to the conclusion, based on the data you've provided, that this is not a periodical. That should be the essential criterion for determining if a publication is a fanzine/magazine. Even if only one issue appears, it should have the look and intention of its publisher to be the first of several issues. From your description that doesn't appear to be the case here. It's not given a monthly, seasonal, or even annual date, nor is it numbered to indicate that it's meant to be periodically published. I'll leave the final determination up to you, but if you conclude that it's a fanzine and not a fannish publication, then you should place its editor record into a magazine series. (I think many fans don't draw as clear a distinction between a fanzine and a fannish publication as I do.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:03, 14 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1932552 Coslet edition] is showing up on another clean-up report. The author credit of the title differs from the author credit of the publication record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 07:32, 15 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Coslet standardized to "Walter A. Coslet". I don't have the issue to verify, but that's how UC-Riverside lists him. All pubs/titles converted to Non-Fic. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:32, 15 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Another CHAPBOOK with missing content ==<br />
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Please add a content record to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547208 this publication]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 07:46, 15 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:The publisher name is showing up on another clean-up report as having bad characters. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 07:49, 15 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: I added the content record (and the title page image). Apparently, I got distracted while finishing that record. I don't know how to deal with the "bad characters" complaint. They were copied from WorldCat, and I have no other way to enter Hebrew. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:08, 15 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::I changed the character between the "a"s to an apostrophe and that cleared it from the report. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:25, 15 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:16, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Heer der Stormen ==<br />
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I added the cover artist (from signature), notes (there were none) and a scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?422866 this verified pub]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:38, 15 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. I cannot find this book right now, but I assume you are correct. When I find this again, I'll check it, just to make sure we don't have two different editions. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:02, 5 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Roman A. or Roman R. Ranieri ==<br />
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Can you confirm the credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1551774 this work]? The cover credits "A", and there are more credits in the db for that initial. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:00, 22 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Poking you about this question. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 16:30, 3 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: The table of contents credits him as "Roman R.", but (as you note) the cover credits him as "Roman A.". The story title page also credits him as "Roman A.". I corrected the attribution and added a note about the error. It's right after another note about the ToC having a different spelling error. Hmm, I see a lazy editor in this. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:00, 5 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Dorrance ==<br />
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Can you confirm the publisher stated on the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?433827 this publication]? We have two designations for a publisher which probably changed its name around 1980. The earlier incarnation was "Dorrance & Company" and the latter was "Dorrance Publisher". Could you book fall into one or other of those two? (Yours is the only record currently given just as "Dorrance".) Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:57, 27 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Poking you about this question. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 16:30, 3 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: It's "Dorrance & Company". Pub record corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:05, 5 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== To Ride Pegasus ==<br />
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Hi, I've imported content for your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?311184 To Ride Pegasus].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:54, 28 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. I can't find this book right now to verify it again, but I'll check it again when I find it, just in case there are different versions. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:07, 5 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''...And the Angel with Television Eyes'' ==<br />
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You have an OCLC/Worldcat-verified {{P|490739|...And the Angel with Television Eyes}} that cites Locus as the source. It seems to be a clone -- and duplicate -- of {{P|251354|this}}, except with a different publication date, and neither Locus nor OCLC corroborates that 2005 date. Would you take a look and see if you can remember anything about that entry? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 03:41, 7 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I don't remember that verification, but I think there was a time that I entered several Nightshade books, and this was probably part of that. [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1892389134 Amazon] gives it a publication date of Sept. 1, 2005, but the "Look Inside" feature shows a publication date of 2001. Amazon UK gives a publication date of Dec. 15, 2001. [http://www.powells.com/book/angel-with-the-television-eyes-9781892389138 Powell's Books] gives the 2005 publication date, but also specifies a copyright date of 2001. [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?isbn=9781892389138 Abebooks] lists 13 copies with a 2001 publication date and 8 with a 2005 publication date. It is ''not'' a case of getting a copyright, but not being published for several years, because there I found lots of reviews of the book from 2001 or 2002. I notice that none of the Abebook 2005 copies said ''anything'' about a printing number, but 3 of those with a 2001 publication date specified that they were a first printing (by number line). This seems to be fairly conclusive evidence that the 2005 was an unstated 2nd printing. I will make that correction. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:27, 8 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Ruth Rendell's ''The Tree of Hands'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?402359 this book] qualifies for the database? If it doesn't contain any spec-fic elements, and it's by an author who isn't "above the threshold", it probably doesn't qualify. I'm trying to clear some of these non-genre works by non-genre authors from the db. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:38, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: In reviewing the book, it does NOT belong in the database. It was in there, and by a woman author, so I ended up picking up a copy. I've just finished reading 20 reviews of it, and there is no reason to believe that there is any spec fic in it. (I haven't read the book and, after reading the reviews, I have no interest in doing so.) Please go ahead and delete it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:55, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Mary Poppins from A to Z'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89070 this publication]: Is the disambiguation "(alphabet book)" necessary? It's ISFDB standard to record titles as published, and we only disambiguate to keep different works from being merged accidentally. I don't see that happening in this case. (Also, "from" is one of those words the standards give not to be capitalized in titles.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:43, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: You are correct on both counts, and I have made those corrections. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:57, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe publisher ==<br />
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Hi -- sorry about the slow reply; re [[User_talk:Mike_Christie#Publisher_for_.22Fantastic_Universe.22|this question]], the magazine is in a box and likely to stay there for at least a year or so more. I would bet money that I simply made a mistake on this one; I have no memory of it being noticeably different, which I think I would recall. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:15, 14 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the response. I can certainly sympathize with having stuff in unattainable boxes! I'll make the change for now, then if you have the chance, and the memory, to check it later, you can see if we did so correctly. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Zauberlinda ==<br />
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I added the cover artist to our mutually verified publication of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?305936 Zauberlinda the Wise Witch]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:34, 16 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks! Was there a credit I missed, or did you base the credit off something else? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:40, 16 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Not that I noticed in the book. However, a reprint of the cover was explicitly credited in an issue of ''The Baum Bugle'', though they misspelled her name. As she is the same artist as the illustrator who is credited, I have no reason to believe the cover was done by someone else. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:35, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: That sounds like sufficient evidence. Thanks! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:38, 22 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Sin-Eater'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm the publisher credit given for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500473 this publication]? All other books from this publisher are "'''The''' Harvill Press". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:00, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: The publisher's name appears 3 times: (1) On the title page as "The Harvill Press"; (2) On the copyright page as "Harvill Press Limited"; and (3) On the back cover, in an ad for the previous book by Water, as "The Harvill Press Ltd.". I took the name from the copyright page; I should have taken it from the title page. I have now corrected that error. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:50, 20 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: Aside: I see there are three variants of how to list "Collins & The Harvill Press", the alternatives being "Collins and Harvill Press" or just "Collins Harvill". Just in case you want to try to re-structure them. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:55, 20 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Since Harvill isn't an imprint of Collins, I can assume it's a joint venture. If that's the case, "Collins & The Harvill Press" would be the way to go. All of the publications under that name are 1963-1973. The pubs staring in 1988 seem to be legitimately listed as "Collins Harvill" which appears to be the new name for the joint venture. How are they credited on the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288748 this 1975 publication]? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:36, 21 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: On the title page, it's "COLLINS and HARVILL PRESS", where I've preserved their capitalization, since that points out the separation of the two companies. On the copyright page, it says:<br />
Made and printed in Great Britain by <br />
William Collins Sons & Co Ltd Glasgow <br />
for Collins, St. James's Place and <br />
Harvill Press Ltd, 30A Pavilion Road<br />
London SW1<br />
:::: [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:59, 22 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::So we'll leave it as it now stands. This appears to be the designation for the venture between the two we've already established. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 05:03, 22 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Oliphant's The Land of Darkness ==<br />
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Your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503390 copy] of 1888 McMillan edition of Margaret Oliphant's ''The Land of Darkness: Along With Some Further Chapters in the Experiences of the Little Pilgrim'' has the author credited as "Mrs. Oliphant". I think I'm looking at the same edition scanned at [https://books.google.com/books?id=bVkZAAAAYAAJ Google Books]. However there is no author credited in that edition. I see that the [https://lccn.loc.gov/01016432 Library of Congress] mentions that the spine has the author as "Mrs. Oliphant". If that is your source for the credit, I'd like to add a note about that source. I'd also like expand the notes with the catalog numbers from Reginald (who also indicates that it was published anonymously) and Belier from his ''Guide to Supernatural Fiction'' as well as a link to the LOC. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:43, 20 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: You are correct: The only place in the book where the author's name appears is on the spine, as "Mrs. Oliphant". There are two other references of the form "by the author of ...", although neither is on the title page, but those are implicit references at best. I've made a note to this effect on the pub. record. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:46, 20 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking. I've added the catalog numbers that I'd mentioned. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 20 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Shon Bezeten cover artist ==<br />
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I added Eric Ladd as cover artist and a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?496389 this verified pub]. The cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?588325 The Cache] was used. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 20:49, 20 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:37, 22 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Pain story in The Black Cap ==<br />
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I noticed that we had two stories by Barry Pain with similar titles. One, "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331459 A Considerable Murder]" appears in ''A Century of Creepy Stories'' which has no verifiers. Both Tuck and ''The Supernatural Index'' have the same title that we have for the story. The other, "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1001690 A Considered Murder]" appears in Asquith's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288775 The Black Cap]'' where we have a copy that you have verified. Tuck has the title as given, whereas ''The Supernatural Index'' has it as "Considerable". I suspect these are the same story and perhaps Tuck is the source of the error. Could you check your copy and see if we have the correct title? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:23, 23 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: It is "A Considerable Murder", on both the ToC and at the story. I'm sure I didn't enter the contents, although I should have caught that doing the verification, so I suspect you are correct that the error comes from Tuck. I corrected the title. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:14, 23 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Typos ==<br />
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Would you mind double checking these possible typos?<br />
* speciman - {{T|1882666|The Speciman}} in {{P|526205|Ghuvna, #2, August 1952}}<br />
: Spelled "Speciman" in the ToC; spelled "Specimen" at the story. Corrected, note added.<br />
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* irresistable - {{T|1529674|Irresistable Schlog Meets Immovable Critic}} in {{P|404277|Janus, Vol. 3, #2, June 1977}}<br />
: Yup, that's how Tom spelled it. If you want, I can tease him about it at our next family gathering :-)<br />
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* observaton - {{T|1530590|An Observaton on the Direction of Science Fiction Art}} in {{P|404281|Janus, Vol. 4, #2-3, Summer/Autumn 1978}}<br />
: Typo, corrected.<br />
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* occurences - {{T|1739171|Poor David, or, The Possibility of Coincidence in Situations of Multiple Occurences}} in {{P|426562|Things Withered}}<br />
: Typo, corrected.<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:50, 1 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: And thanks for doing all this checking. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:00, 1 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::LOL. With my own tendencies for typos, I'd be the last to encouraging teasing someone about them. ;-) I added a note regarding the "irresistable" spelling. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:17, 2 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Linda Steele (Illustrator) ==<br />
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A Happy New Year! I have changed the author/artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1307116 this piece] from just Linda Steele (on the grounds that it is an illustration), because there's also an author named so. This may have some higher likelihood, but you might want to check if it's really the illustrator associated with Michael Moorcock. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:51, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I'm out of town for a week, but I'll check on this when I get back. The cover artist is a friend of mine, and I can check with her as well -- I suspect she'll know. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:19, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mark or Marc Tauss ==<br />
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Can you confirm the cover art credit for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20932 this publication]? If correct, it should be varianted to {{A|Marc Tauss}}. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:12, 7 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I'm out of town until Monday, but I'll check on this when I get back. Interestingly, Locus has it both ways: [http://www.locusmag.com/index/c66.htm Marc], [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t291.htm Mark], and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b208.htm Mark]. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:39, 9 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Have you had a chance to check on this? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:15, 15 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29613 Serpent Mage] updates ==<br />
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I updated the month of publication, corrected a typo in the spelling of one of the contributors ("Park" corrected to "Pack"), and added a few more notes. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 07:16, 9 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover art credit for ''Gifts'' ==<br />
Hi, Ive been asked to discuss the discrepancy in the cover art credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310671 this record] with me as the verifier of an earlier edition with the same art by [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 05:33, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
:I will withdraw Stephen Raw for cover artist, as he did only the lettering.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:29, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover art credit for ''Half the Day is Night'' ==<br />
There's a similar situation with you as verifier of another edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16257 this publication]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 05:35, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Do a search fore 'Irene Gallo' in the 'notes' field, and see the same kind of credit come up for far less obvious things (such as title lettering, as Stephen Raw did with 'Gifts'). And that is only for those verifiers that will include the Jacket Designer in the notes field: <br />
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:: Record Title Authors Date Pages Tag Binding Type ISBN Price Publisher Pub. Series<br />
:: 12840 Expiration Date Tim Powers 1996-01-00 381 XPRTNDT1996B hc NOVEL 0-312-86086-2 $23.95 Tor <br />
:: 16256 Half the Day is Night Maureen F. McHugh 1994-10-00 352 HTDI1994 hc NOVEL 0-312-85479-X $21.95 Tor <br />
:: 21870 Memory Linda Nagata 2004-06-00 416 MMRY2004 tp NOVEL 0-765-30900-9 $14.95 Tor <br />
:: 82457 Someone Comes to Town, Someone Leaves Town Cory Doctorow 2006-06-00 315 SMNCMSTTWN2006 tp NOVEL 0-765-31280-8 $14.95 Tor <br />
:: 44908 The Ordinary Jim Grimsley 2004-05-00 368 THRDNRY2004 hc NOVEL 0-765-30528-3 $24.95 Tor <br />
:: 89475 The Silver Ship and the Sea Brenda Cooper 2007-03-00 396 THSLVRSHPN2007 hc NOVEL 0-765-31597-1 $25.95 Tor<br />
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There are in fact many more records where Irene Gallo was Jacket Designer -perhaps we should mail her. BTW: my copy only mentions Paul Lehr as cover artist and does not mention Irene Gallo at all. We have no way of knowing exactly what was done by Gallo either, she may have used art by someone else. It is just the opposite of the 'Gifts' case.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:29, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Rives' The Ghost Garden ==<br />
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I noticed that are the uploader of the scan for Amélie Rives' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?452995 The Ghost Garden]'' and that the notes refer to the cover shown as the verifier's copy. However, the publication currently has no primary verifications. I wanted to bring it to your attention in case you wanted to add a verification. I did expand the notes and added "A Novel" as a subtitle. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:18, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for noticing! That was, in fact, my verification, so I added that to the record. And thanks for the other changes. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:13, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Pied Piper of Hamlin --LC records w some linked images? ==<br />
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Hi. I see that you verified both copies of Kate Greenaway-illustrated editions that are in the database {{p|384735}} {{p|384733}} and that there is some open question about identity and date, at least. Perhaps the US Library of Congress online catalog records will help. For Greenaway-illus. eds. there are five records dated 1888, 1910, 1993 (2), 1997. Here are links to all with year and page-count as catalogued, bracketed dates represented with parentheses.<br />
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[https://lccn.loc.gov/15017118 (1888) 64pp]; [https://lccn.loc.gov/38027626 (1910) 48pp]; [https://lccn.loc.gov/93011265 1993 104pp]; [https://lccn.loc.gov/93000767 1993 unpaged]; [https://lccn.loc.gov/96054625 1997 44pp]<br />
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Mainly I think it is the [1910] record that may be useful. The publisher Frederick Warne and page-count 48 match one of yours and the difference 1901/1910 may represent a data entry error. The online record includes two Links labeled "Page view" and "PDF" which might provide views at or inside the LC copies. Unfortunately I cannot view the target files; maybe you can. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:21, 22 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== More Possible Typos ==<br />
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Here are two more possible typos:<br />
* anoyster - {{T|1882659|Ode to anOyster}} in {{P|526205|Ghuvna, #2, August 1952}}<br />
* biliography - {{T|1530294|Vonda N. McIntyre (GoH Biliography)}} in {{P|404280|Janus, Vol. 4, #1, Spring 1978}}<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:53, 23 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Yup, both typos. Corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:21, 24 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mary Poppins From A to Z ==<br />
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I added the series numeral 7 with Note "earlier than 8 (formerly 7); retain numbering 1-6 for the longer works as that is ubiquitous online, also explicit in British "complete edition" that includes only the 6". <br />
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: Usually, in series where there isn't any strict numbering that's obvious, we just leave the "extra" stories or books unnumbered. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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# Does the first edition capitalize "From" in the title? The 2006 clearly does not (but I missed that point during data entry so it stands for now).<br />
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:: Nope, not capitalized. Was my error. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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# Is the first all black-and-white as the cover image suggests?<br />
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:: Not really. Black ink drawings on colored paper, with the colors alternating from orange to black. I'll add that note to the first edition, and if that's not the case in the reprint you have, then you should note that difference there. Also, my copy has decorated, colored endpapers, and has colored capital initials on 26 words counting up from A to Z in the intro text, and counting down from Z to A on the closing text page. Sometimes those colorations get dropped in later printings, and it might be worth noting if that happens here. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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# I entered [55] pages not 54, including the closing illustration in my count; that is 1 + 54 as 27 facing pairs. This isn't a question and I only now see the discrepancy. For your information.<br />
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:: Mine has 26 facing pairs, 1 intro page, 1 concluding page, for 54 pages (although I should have listed it as "[54]"). What's the extra page you have? My last page is facing a blank page, and my intro page is facing a copyright/dedication page. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:13, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: [1] I downcased the title From=>from per general guidelines.<br />
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:: That error occurred in 4 places (Chapbook title, short fiction title, and 2 pubs). You corrected 1, and I corrected the other three. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I added a second note to Title T{{t|197213}} briefly quoting the capsule review in a Christmas column 1962-12-02 (fyi, the book was also reviewed NYTimes 1962-09-30). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:24, 3 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: I like that! It helps to clarify what the book is like. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christina Askounis'' by The Lost ==<br />
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Please check out [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557457 this publication] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38848 this publication] which has a different title, but the same ISBN. Oddly, the title of the first is the author of the second. And both are sourced to the same OCLC record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:20, 29 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, THAT was a screw-up. I got the title and author backwards somehow. And Cold Tonnage Books is reporting the wrong title on that book (I've written him and asked him about this). But how I didn't notice that his title wasn't the same as WorldCat's is a total mystery to me. I've fixed the author/title issue, and I'll wait for a response from Cold Tonnage about the two different titles with the same author and same ISBN. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]]<br />
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:: I need to start writing and then get published under the pseudonym "The Lost". Even the second one that is in better shape has a typo: "artisr". [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] 00:56, 29 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Perhaps you should remove the Amazon and OCLC sources. Both sources give the other title (''The Dream of the Stone''). And remove the OCLC verification. Only actual secondary sources should be noted. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:58, 29 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Other parts seem improbably too. Were they both 291 page hardcovers!? [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] 01:04, 29 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I deleted the entire book until I can figure out what's going on. Cold Tonnage is the only seller at Abebooks or bookfindercom that lists it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:23, 29 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: That is probably a good call. I assume you are referring to this listing (I didn't look it at Abebooks or bookfinder): [http://www.coldtonnage.com/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=524228 06525]. The things that jump out at me are the obvious issues with the publisher field (misspelling of "Strauss" and no mention of "Giroux"), and then the description which says "the author's first book" (she can only have one right?) and contains a review mentioning the character "Sarah" by "Madeleine L'Engle". <cite>The Dream of the Stone</cite> does have a character named Sarah and it was reviewed by Madeleine L'Engle (among others). I am guessing the title is misquoted in that record. [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] 01:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Yup, that's the listing. I'm buying the book from him either way, so I'll process it when it comes in. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:03, 29 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== James Faulkenburg or Faulkenberg? ==<br />
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Can you confirm the credit of the three pieces by James Faulkenburg in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?502805 this publication]? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:28, 5 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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It's been quite a while since I asked this question. Have you had time to check the publication? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:51, 24 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Another two weeks and still no response. These matches have been sitting in the clean-up report for quite some time now and I'd like to clear them. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:07, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Vampyre of Moura ==<br />
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You secondary verified {{P|557548|The Vampyre of Moura}}. However, that looks like an exact duplicate of {{P|355876|this primary verified pub}}. I believe the secondary verification should be moved over to that pub (along with the OCLC note) and the first one deleted. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 02:26, 9 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks! I was entering the entire "Anne Wicklow" series, of which we only had one of six books entered, and apparently overlooked that I was duplicating the one we did have. Repaired. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Journey to Apriloth ==<br />
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User Horzel found the artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267429 Journey to Apriloth] [http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1156589 Here]. The signature convinced me it's Stephen Hickman. I added the artist and a note. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 19:52, 9 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks! That is certainly convincing. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:11, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Jeff Grub or Jeff Grubb ==<br />
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Can you confirm the author credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1604748 this work]? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:40, 10 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Another question that's not been answered. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:51, 24 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I have changed the credit to "Grubb" based on the OCLC record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:20, 26 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Prince of Darkness by Barbara Michaels ==<br />
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The author of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?69409 needs to be changed to Barbara Michaels -- Elizabeth Peters and Barbara Michaels are both pseudonyms of Barbara Merz, but since she made so much more $$ as Peters one of the pb publishers did "Elizabeth Peters writing as Barbara Michaels" -- still Barbara Michaels, right? Thanks [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 23:22, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I've corrected the record, since "writing as" means "published as by". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:19, 16 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Bonfire ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1758417 this title]: You'll have to reconcile the differences between the editor credit of the publications and the editor credit of the title record. Otherwise, they will have to be unmerged. (This showed up on a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 clean-up report].) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 08:15, 6 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Responding to inquiries on your talk page ==<br />
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I see that you've been here off and on, but that you haven't responded to any of my inquiries in the past month. Is everything OK? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]]<br />
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: My apologies. I've been too overwhelmed with work and life lately to spend any substantial time here. And unfortunately, my library is currently is such a state of disarray, that I can't get to my books to answer questions. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 11:55, 17 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Slightly Behind...'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?321920 this publication]: If the cover art is a single work by three artists, please update one of the cover art records to credit all three artists, and then remove and delete the other two. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 16:54, 18 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dutch Perry Rhodan ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?563763 This record] shows up on a clean-up report because it wasn't placed into an editor series. So I did it. Also, changed the editor to "uncredited" instead of "unknown" so that it aligns with other issues of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?33176 series]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:39, 22 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I also added the content and varianted it to the original German title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:02, 22 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks much! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:22, 24 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Everyman's Library from 1906 ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?129 Everyman's Library] volume 8 ''Tales of Shakespeare'' P{{p|419970}} you give year 1909. From contemporary newspapers I know that the first lot of Everyman's Library including ''Tales of Shakespeare'' was published early in 1906, during February by Dent in London and soon after by Dutton in New York. <br />
: That is, first printing spring 1906. Everyman's Library ''Granny's Wonderful Chair'' was reprinted 1908 10 12 15 [http://hdl.handle.net/2027/uva.x002675261?urlappend=%3Bseq=10]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:44, 27 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Dutton advertises the series at ''NY Times'' 1906-06-02 pBR351 --"Cloth, 50 cents. Leather, $1.00, postpaid."-- stating that there are 100 books and providing a complete List of Volumes. The list is alphabetical by category, then more or less by lot and surname. It begins thus:<br />
;Biography<br />
* Boswell's Life of Johnson, two vols<br />
* Lockhart's Life of Napoleon [last of 3 vols Biography from the first lot of 50]<br />
* Benvenuto Cellini's Autobiography [not in the first lot of 50]<br />
...<br />
;Children's<br />
*Andersen<br />
*Hawthorne<br />
*Kingston<br />
*Kingston<br />
*"Lamb's Tales from Shakespeare. Illustrated by Arthur Rackham." [last of 5 vols Children's from the first lot of 50]<br />
...<br />
;Classical<br />
*"Marcus Aurelius' Meditations [from the first lot of 50]<br />
...<br />
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Another advertisement NYTimes 1908-12-05 p741 lists the first 340 volumes, ordered by category and surname, also numbered 1 to 340 or so. I cannot interpret even the two-digit numbers 1 to 99 entirely in relation to the layout of the June 1906 unnumbered list, but numbers 1 to 9 among 340 are #1-2 Boswell, ... #8 Lamb, #9 Marcus Aurelius, all in sequence as listed above omitting Benvenuto Cellini.<br />
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For what it's worth, I know only one other NYTimes advertisement that lists all of the volumes, 1906-10-05 stating that there are now 150. I doubt that the first lot of 50 was advertised in the same fashion in NYTimes.<br />
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Dutton cut the price from $0.50/1.00 to $0.35/0.70, plus 7c postage per volume, with advert of "Fifty-three New Volumes Ready April 10th, Making 318 Books Available". That advertisement NYTimes 1908-04-11 pBR198 lists all of the new volumes by category, numbered 266 to 315 plus 315 A to C.<br />
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Subsequent general advertisements imply that the price cut covered the entire Library, not only the new issues. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:26, 27 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I do have URL for any newspaper items. I am using a university library subscription to ProQuest Historical Newspapers, with internet addresses that function inside the building. "pBR351" refers to the weekly? Book Review supplement?.<br />
: Later I will make some note at publication series [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?129 Everyman's Library]. Apologies and thanks for use of your space today. --21:37, 27 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: ''Tales from Shakespeare'' first publ. January 1906 in the U.K. per Terry Seymour, ''A Printing History of Everyman's Library 1906-1982'' (AuthorHouse, 2011) <br />
:: [https://books.google.com/books?id=DbUp4qfbE_sC&dq=grimm%27s+fairy+tales+everyman%27s+library+1906&source=gbs_navlinks_s at Google Books] (search "Lamb, Charles") --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:08, 29 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Rev. H. Cacntner vs Rev. H. Cauntner ==<br />
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Hi, your veriified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?494044 Evening Tales for the Winter Being a Selection of Wonderful & Supernatural Stories] contains [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1803132 The Prophecy] by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?210858 Rev. H. Cacntner]. Looking for details on this author I stumbled upon [http://jerryshouseofeverything.blogspot.nl/2016/02/forgotten-book-evening-tales-for-winter.html Rev. H. Cauntner]. Could you please check?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 23:10, 3 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Varianting translated titles in ''Fenix'' ==<br />
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Please variant the translated titles contained in these periodicals. Many of them are showing up on clean-up reports. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:06, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I posted a note in the Community Portal about this. I knew it would happen, but it's going to take me a bit to do all of the varianting, since there are a couple of hundred such titles. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:00, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I suggest that you only enter one issue at a time, and variant its contents before going on to the next issue. This will avoid many problems which would be sitting in the database, waiting to be fixed in the meantime. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 08:02, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: The way my macros are set up, that would be much harder to do, and take much longer. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 13:20, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Then I guess I don't understand macros very well. If creating the publication records takes X amount of time and creating the variants takes Y amount of time, it's going to add up to X+Y either way. Waiting to do the varianting at the end means that during X all of these translated titles will be sitting unvarianted in the database. It looks like you've already created publication records for all 107 issues, so the varianting can begin. So continue to do as you see best, and the clean-up reports will remain as they are until you're ready to make the variants. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:53, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::: You don't understand how my macros work. For example, I extract the data from the Polish database into a spreadsheet. Then I massage the data to get it to a form usable by my macro. Then I execute the macro to create fanzines/magazines. It asks me how many, I type "107", and it enters 107 issues (without contents yet), while I go do something else. Yes, I could tell it to do them one at a time. But then I would have to keep an eye on it, and execute the macro 107 times, instead of once. That's a lot of extra work. Similar things happen in entering contents; much less work to a do a bunch at once. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:07, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Also, please assign languages to the non-English authors. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?61 this report]. And the duplicated titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?565724 this issue] also appears in a clean-up report. Looks like the Ellison/Silverberg work has the wrong title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:20, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I hadn't thought about that. I'll try to get to that as well, but it's probably going to take me through the weekend. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:00, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: I've corrected the mistaken title for the Ellison / Silverburg story. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 13:19, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: I've assigned languages, i.e. "Polish", to all of the authors whose works weren't translated, and to a few of the Russian authors. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:07, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Typos 10-Apr ==<br />
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Here are some possible typos:<br />
* adentures - {{P|417368|The Adentures of Merrywink}}<br />
* biographis - {{T|1319226|Readercon Committee Biographis}} in {{P|294777|Readercon 5 Program Book}}<br />
* Simarillion - {{T|1530305|The Simarillion (WisCon program)}} in {{P|404280|Janus, Vol. 4, #1, Spring 1978}}<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:21, 10 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Wikipedia articles and redirects ==<br />
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I am here because I posted another follow-up at [[User talk:Ahasuerus#Wikipedia articles and redirects]] and I don't recall whether there is any automated notice here. (I see that it is not {{ping}} as at Wikipedia.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:33, 12 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: It's on my watchlist, so when I get to isfdb, I see pages such as that one. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:06, 13 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Title mismatch ==<br />
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The title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?566946 this publication] (''De gedaant-wisselingen van P. Ovidius Naso'') should match the title of its [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1993546 title record] (''Ovid's Metamorphoses in Latin and English ''). It's language assignment also doesn't match (Dutch for the publication, English for the title.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:15, 13 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: That should be corrected now. I started by cloning another title (the English + Latin version), and apparently didn't complete the task. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:48, 13 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Maud and Miska Petersham ==<br />
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You verified ''The Poppy Seed Cakes'' (Doubleday, 1951) P{{p|460837}}.<br />
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The Petershams wife-and-husband illustrator duo should be jointly credited for the cover art --that is, Miska Petersham entered as a second artist rather than a second cover. Per -- same as for the illustrations. (You didn't create any INTERIORART record but the linked OCLC credits that.) <br />
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By the way here is a library catalog record for the 1951 edition?/printing, [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/5765243 OCLC 5765243].<br />
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I dont know the work but I will probably add the 1924 first edition tomorrow, as I do for many first eds. of children's books.<br />
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Moments ago I submitted correction of the Petershams cover art for Pinocchio <s>--in the queue as I depart</s> [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3008761]. When approved there will be no other separate credits for M & M Petersham in the database. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:52, 14 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: (fix link) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:14, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: I added the 1924 first ed. with joint artwork credits for both cover and interior P{{p|567201}}.<br />
:: Does your book have illustration that borders the text on every page, as Amazon Look Inside! shows for the 2013 Everyman's edition [http://www.amazon.com/Poppy-Everymans-Library-Childrens-Classics/dp/0375712321]? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:27, 16 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Now I add that 2013 Everyman's edition with several notes primarily from Amazon Look Inside!<br />
::: LCCN links a publisher description that confirms artwork on every page (stories/chapters evidently short) <br />
::: Maybe a COLLECTION rather than a novel per LC catalogue summary ("Collection of nursery tales ...") as Amazon description also suggests to me ("eight charming and humorous linked stories"). What do you think? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:39, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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'''Two weeks later.''' Last fortnight I made a mistake in creation of cover art <br />
T{{t|1995888}}, fixed today so that it does credit Maud and Miska Petersham jointly. You verified ''The Poppy Seed Cakes'' (Doubleday, 1951) P{{p|460837}}, which should include the new joint cover art rather than the two separate cover arts. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:55, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== SERIALs that need to be varianted to a parent record ==<br />
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Could you please clear this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?22 clean-up report] of unvarianted serials when you get a chance. Also, I believe that these aren't correctly titled based on my interpretation of the ISFDB standards. Please respond [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Serialized_stories_with_non-English_titles here] when you can. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:43, 25 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Done. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:46, 30 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Georgian to German ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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I've changed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?213207 Clara Hepner] from Georgian language to German, taking her collection [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1828978 Gulnar, die Meerfrau: Und andere Märchen]<br />
and the three underlying stories [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1828979 Woher die gelben Blumen kommen], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1828980 Die drei Schlüffelein] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1828981 Der Meisterfänger] with it.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:55, 9 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you! It's pretty clear that I was trying to set the language to German, and missed by 1 slot in the language listing. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Subtitle ==<br />
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Hello! I'm not sure about the subtitle in your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?504781 Gulnar, die Meerfrau: Und andere Märchen]. The part ''und andere....'' is in german usually a part of the title like here [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1372087] or here [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1372788]. The OCLC also indicates it as a part of the title, but has another subtitle: [http://www.worldcat.org/title/gulnar-die-meerfrau-und-andere-marchen-ein-marchen-almanach/oclc/254090757 Gulnar die Meerfrau und andere Märchen: ein Märchen-Almanach]. It seems also that your verified pub is the second printing. The ''Deutsche Nationalbibliothek'' (German national library) indicates in [https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=showFullRecord&currentResultId=%22klara%22+and+%22hepner%22%26any&currentPosition=10 Gulnar die Meerfrau u. a. Märchen] that the title of the first printing [https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=showFullRecord&currentResultId=clara+and+hepner%26any&currentPosition=10 Märchen-Almanach] has a copyright law problem and therefore they renamed the second printing. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 14:54, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Izzard #6 ==<br />
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I'm 100% sure the letter in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?526306 Izzard #6] from "Lucy Huntziner" is by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?177958 Lucy Huntzinger]. Typo or pseudonym? Thanks for checking! [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 11:21, 11 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Absolutely. Typo corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:57, 20 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mountain Cage ==<br />
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Just added a month of publication to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?501672 your verified edition] from the publisher's log book in the Cheap Street Collection in the Rare Books Department of Tulane University. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 17:45, 13 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Likewise for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?501678 the companion checklist]. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 17:47, 13 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:53, 13 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Hold on Author Update: José Asunción Silva ==<br />
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You submitted a change for Silva's birthplace from "Colombia" to "United States of Colombia". We do not normally use the full legal name of a country when it is better known by a shorter version of that name, unless there are grounds for confusion (as with "The Congo", or "China"). To change that policy would require searching down hundreds, if not thousands, of entered place locations and changing them. If you wish to change this precedent, you should raise the issue on the "Rules and Standards" board. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:16, 23 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: We DO distinguish between the Kingdom of England (pre 1707), the Kingdom of Great Britain (1707-1800) and the UK (after 1801), why not distinguish various periods in Colombia? Gran Colombia (1821-1831), Republic of New Granada (1831-1858), Granadine Confederation (1858–1863), United States of Colombia (1863–1886), Colombia (after 1886). Besides, we speak about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_birthplace&OPERATOR_1=contains&TERM_1=colombia&CONJUNCTION_1=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&OPERATOR_2=exact&TERM_2=&CONJUNCTION_2=AND&USE_3=author_canonical&OPERATOR_3=exact&TERM_3=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&START=0&TYPE=Author only seven (7) records, and there is only one affected].....--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:50, 23 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: My own birth ground -Netherlands- can be found as Burgundian Netherlands (1384-1482), Habsburg Netherlands (1482-1581)), Dutch Republic (1581-1795), Batavian Republic (1795-1806), Kingdom of Holland (1806-1810), (Kingdom of the) Netherlands (after 1810).--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:56, 23 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: The Kingdom of England / Kingdom of Great Britain / UK isn't the best comparison, because those were not just changes in the name, but changes in the geographic boundaries of the nation. I'll do some more research though, and get back to you on this issue. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I approved the submission, and added the timelines you gave to the collection of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Chavey#Some_dates_of_country_names country names over time] that I keep. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:18, 26 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Street of Mars ==<br />
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FYI. Regarding ''The Street of Mars'' [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3042033 submission], new novel on hold presumably for uncertain genre, here are two pages that I found inconclusive<br />
* Amazon [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Street-Mars-Rosemary-Elizabeth-Jackson/dp/0701103620] --with cover image merely suggestive to me <br />
* ABEbooks [http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?an=jackson&bi=0&bx=off&ds=30&recentlyadded=all&sortby=17&sts=t&tn=street+of+mars] --none of five sellers 2016-05-24 gives any category but Fiction; one stated reprint shows the only bookseller image <br />
GoodReads shows no cover image, nor user review/summary. FantasticFiction does not show R.E. or Rosemary Elizabeth Jackson. <br />
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P.S. I doubt that writer [[Bio:R. E. Jackson]] is Rosemary Jackson {{a|148266}}. I suspect that ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' (1997) confuses them [http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=jackson_rosemary]. So I did not add webpage SFE to either author page. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:28, 24 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: The biography for R.E. Jackson on the front dj flap for "The Street of Mars" is fully consistent with the biographies of Rosemary Jackson provided by the Encyclopedia of Fantasy and by WorldCat. It is not, however, definitive. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:50, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Those two provide little and no biographical data. Anyway,<br />
:: Rosemary Jackson's memoir is forthcoming November per Amazon and so prompted I have located other definitive information, added it to their Bio wikipages mainly.<br />
:: Also based on your report of this title, R. E. Jackson's six novels are now "(three children's novels in the database, three non-genre)". Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:31, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Sounds good. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:11, 29 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== A Spell of Sleep ==<br />
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: ''second new section posted in one session -Pwendt''<br />
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You verified ''A Spell of Sleep'' {{p|485333}}. LC catalogue states ISBN and a different price. If not verified I would add this note, <br />
: LCCN: <a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/76380465">76-380465</a> "ISBN 0434928534 : £2.50"<br />
and thus neither change the price nor add a NewPub. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:38, 24 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Serpent ==<br />
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The cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269740 The Serpent] is Dave Pether, the art is shown on page 32 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?476549+f The Fantastic Planet]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 09:38, 29 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Enchanted Peacock and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hi. You verified both editions of this collection T{{t|1670727}} and noted "This edition is not known to WorldCat." (first, 136pp); "WorldCat only knows this edition." (expanded, 156pp)<br />
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[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/3963892 OCLC: 3963892] is a record of the first, evidently, although not very informative. I do not find any record of the first in LC Online Catalog, where the second is [https://lccn.loc.gov/25015383 LCCN 25-15383]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:29, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Price $1.25 for the first edition, from the publisher's advertisement that I noted in the Title record ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3079626 in the queue]). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:39, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you! I don't know why I didn't find that other OCLC record. A direct search for title and author only gives the 1925 record, but even 2 years ago I'm sure I knew about checking the "View all editions and formats" link, which gives two variations on the 1911 book (but still, neither with much information, and with a major disagreement on the page count). I'll correct those records. And thanks for finding that price. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:04, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: In trade, I see that you added "The Mermaid's Gift and Other Stories" to Julia Brown's bibliography. (Thanks! I need to get a copy of that.) I added the contents to that record, fixed up a weird error that was causing it to appear twice on Brown's bibliography page, and added the 1925 edition of the book. Interestingly enough, the illustrator for this book, Maginel Wright Enright, is the sister of Frank Lloyd Wright! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:47, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Outdent--because of change to a technical subject.<br><br />
Do you see that I added "The Mermaid's Gift" from distinctive format of my Notes? Or is the history available to you? (As I depart, The Mermaid's Gift is in fact the latest item in My Recent Edits, 18:22:39 NewPub Rkihara)<br />
: I could tell from the formatting, specifically from the "p9" instead of the more traditional "p. 9" for the page number. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:06, 30 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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The weird error is mine. I have not added many collections or chapbooks with shortfiction contents. Here I executed New Collection with the Collection also in the submitted Contents. Later I submitted TitleRemove for one of the two COLLECTION, with note that I am not sure of the method to fix it, "this is a test". <br />
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: Ah! That explains how that happened. When you add a Collection or Chapbook, the book is automatically added as part of the contents, and you don't need to add it your self. The unusual thing is that for a Chapbook you have to enter the equivalent ShortFiction item as a content item (but not the ChapBook itself), so it's easy to get confused. I ignored anything to do with Chapbooks for about my first 6 months here, because I didn't understand them :-) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:06, 30 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks and Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:06, 30 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Re above, "Maginel Wright Barney" is the canonical name of the ''Mermaid's Gift'' illustrator at WorldCat, LCCN, and HathiTrust but not so credited in the records for this work. So I submitted 2 TitleUpdate with the change to Enright which should eliminate Barney from the database. --confirmed before save; we have [[Bio:Maginel Wright Barney]] with no such Author<br />
::: I expanded the Bio note greatly at [[Bio:Maginel Wright Enright]], so that it is now more "Author" than "Bio" in scope. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:47, 25 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== A Modern Cinderella ==<br />
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Hi. You verified ''A Modern Cinderella'' P{{p|526151}} as "M. A. Donohoe" 1913.<br />
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The publisher is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?5249 M. A. Donohue & Co.]<br />
: LCCN: <a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/14009411">14-9411</a><br />
In contemporary newspapers I find no review, only one notice<br />
: Price from notice <i>The Sun</i> (Baltimore) 1913-09-07 pMS8<br />
: "(M. A. Donohue & Co., Chicago. Cloth. Illus, pp. 297. 75 cents.) "A charming child's story in which a little orphan finds a modern fairy godmother and a father instead of a prince."<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:59, 9 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: It is fairly common here to drop certain formalisms from the end of the publisher's name, e.g. "Co.", "Company", "LLC", etc. When I enter a publisher, I generally do a search on our publisher names to see which variants are in common use, and select one of them. That's what I did here. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:03, 28 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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'''Months later.''' I submitted for review the change of publisher from "M. A. Dono'''hoe'''" to "M. A. Dono'''hue''' & Co.", added the price with source Note, and other brief Notes. One of the latter with a date that may make clear this is another editor, but unsigned. Do you agree with the procedure? <br />
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"M. A. Donohue" is not in use here and I suppose that Dono'''hoe''' contains a typo for '''hue'''. Sorry if this is approved and needs to be reverted. I made some mistakes concerning Donahue/Donohue/Donohoe last hour, here and elsewhere, and revised this followup a couple of times.<br />
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Sorry about that, I should have stated in July that one issue is '''hoe''' and another is '''& Co.''' --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:22, 26 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Flower Princess ==<br />
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Added cover image & interior art record to {{P|565584|The Flower Princess}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:19, 10 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:04, 28 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Pending Submission ==<br />
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Hello, there are some submissions (by or holded by you) that "languish" in the queue. Can you have a look at them? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 09:07, 14 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Re-hello, perhaps that you didn't see this message. Can you clear the submission queue? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:47, 26 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: The submitter added the book based on its title, knowing nothing about the content of the book. I put it on hold until I could get a copy and skim it. I finally got a copy and have begun to read it. So far, it appears to be non-genre, although I haven't gotten to anything that would justify the title. If you wish, I can cancel the submission and then re-submit it if it appears genre when I get further. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:53, 28 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Chavey and [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] (does saving this link will generate a notice to Hauck?),<br />
::: Concerning ''The Street of Mars'' [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3042033 2016-05 submission 3042033], "My Pending Edits" now shows Reviewer:UNKNOWN, so I guess this one is no longer on hold. I never found more information about this one of R.E. Jackson's books, except the date and cover image at Amazon [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Street-Mars-R-Jackson/dp/0701103620]. The cover illustration is consistent with meaning "The Street of Ares" or "The Street of War". <br />
::: "the street(s) of Mars" both not found 2016-10-26 in automated search of multiple newspapers, numerous but chiefly US. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:13, 26 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== '''Nella Waits''' ==<br />
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Hi, added a cover image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?339788 Nella Waits]. When you got time, please check it out when my submission is okayed, and see if it matches yours. Mine is from the Book Club Edition, so it might be different. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:52, 15 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== King Kojo ==<br />
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Could I get you to double check the illustrator and cover artist for Ruth Plumly Thompson's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?504910 King Kojo]''. I believe that the last name "Thompson" may be incorrect and that she is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?141269 this artist] who usually goes simply by "Marge". In fact her [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marge_%28cartoonist%29 Wikipedia page] specifically mentions her as the illustrator for Thompson's novel. Perhaps you added Thompson from the author's name. I've got a couple of titles that should be varianted to the original cover including [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1156425 this one] of which we have a scan and I'm guessing matches the cover of your book. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:11, 25 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: You are absolutely correct, and I knew it when I entered that, so I don't understand how I made that mistake. But it's corrected now. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:57, 28 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Length for POEMs records ==<br />
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Hello, please avoid to enter a length for POEM-type texts as you recently did for issues <i>Twisted</i> magazine. There are now about 150 of them that must be cleaned up. Note that some of your own submissions (not the one on hold) are still in the queue. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 05:44, 30 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I didn't realize that caused a problem. I thought it was a useful way to distinguish regular poems from epic poems. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:48, 30 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Alex Schomburg vs Alex Shomburg ==<br />
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Hi, in your primary verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?243081 2000 A.D.: Illustrations from the Golden Age of Science Fiction Pulps] you have verified an illustration, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1913712 Thrilling Wonder Stories, December 1938] as being done by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?202200 Alex Shomburg]. Could that be a typo -either by the magazine or by you- for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1306 Alex Schomburg]?.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:38, 4 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Eva ==<br />
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Hi! I found that the three Corgi Freeway publications [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?12904 here] with the same ISBN number show different covers. I guess that's not logical. So I changed the first one. BLongley as verifier is not longer active. I knew that a discussion will coming up by that. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 05:48, 5 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: It seems very unlikely that Bill would have entered the wrong cover for a book that he owned. (A very slight possibility that he didn't enter a cover, and someone else later entered the wrong cover.) There do seem to be two different covers used for different printings of that edition of the book, but unless you have a source that's very clear about being the 3rd printing of that edition, the cover should not be changed. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:52, 5 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Blood Pact ==<br />
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You (rightly) commented on my complete failure to update Tanya Huff's Blood series correctly. I've rechecked and found that you had already created the 12th printing for {{P|293245|Blood Pact}}, so I've deleted my submission. I do have a scanned copy of the book, do you want me to add it? Also do you want me to add the DAW Collectors information? --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 10:16, 5 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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The same comments also apply to {{P|293246|Blood Price}}. I can supply new cover and add DAW Collectors number. That's if you trust me to get it right! --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 10:55, 5 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes, you should go ahead and add the extra information, and a scanned cover. More info is almost always good. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:27, 5 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Uncharted Stars ==<br />
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Another Ace double-use of a catalog #: [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?225913 1]] and [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?581587 2]]. Notes explain the difference. Cheers! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 19:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Tempest in a Teapot ==<br />
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{{T|1914922|Tempest in a Teapot}} (from your verfified pub) is currently credited to {{A|Bob Johnson}}. However, that author is listed as being born in 1950 and the essay is from 1949. There is also a {{A|Bob Johnson (I)|233802}} that is active around the same time as the essay. Is there anything in the essay to ascertain the second author is the correct one? The essay needs to either be moved over to the second author or a new "Bob Johnson (II)". Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:22, 14 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Masterpieces of Fantasy and Wonder ==<br />
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I asked MLB a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MLB#Barrie_excerpts question] about the Barrie excerpts in ''Masterpieces of Fantasy and Wonder'', and they replied that they didn't know about it. Since you also verified that anthology, could you chime in-- especially if it was you who decided to give the excerpts titles like "The Thrush's Nest (excerpt)". Thanks --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha77]] 23:22, 3 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Grandi "Opera" Nord ==<br />
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Hi, searching for an [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?29379 Editrice Nord] publication I found out there are 2 Series: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1638 Grandi Opere] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?4046 Grandi Opera] that differ only by the ending char. I think this is simply a typo. Since you're the primary verification for the only publication in OperA, would you update this record or may I do it for you? --[[User:Orcolat|Orcolat]] 07:28, 8 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Houghton Mifflin and Company ==<br />
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Hi. You verified The Flower Princess P{{p|565584}} as by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?56196 Publisher "Houghton Mifflin and Company"], one of three such records in the database as I write. Presumably the title page shows a comma, and perhaps also an abbreviation, as do the 1902[http://hdl.handle.net/2027/hvd.32044004992863?urlappend=%3Bseq=11] and 1907 publications in the database for that Publisher as I write.<br />
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Today I submitted (in the queue as I depart) both a Note at Publisher: Houghton Mifflin and revisions of the 1902 and 1907 publication records from "Houghton Mifflin and Company" to "Houghton Mifflin" (in heavy use 1884 to 2008). If these are accepted, The Flower Princess will be the only "Houghton Mifflin and Company" publication in the database. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:23, 20 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: '''Months later.''' For ''The Flower Princess'', I submitted the change of publisher name to "Houghton Mifflin", evidently the canonical name here. The other, which has neither Notes nor wikipage, will disappear from the database. For Publisher [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?137 Houghton Mifflin], I submitted a Note that attests the 1902 imprint with one line "Houghton, Mifflin and Co." --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:05, 26 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Oops. Yesterday I composed both as stated, but neglected to submit the Publication update. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3206735 Done today]. I have seen the title page <u>artist logo (initials PSH)</u> somewhere and will try to remember to return to this one when I see them again. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:53, 28 October 2016 (UTC) <u>revised</u>--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:37, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Journey to Apriloth / Journey to Aprilioth ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you check your copy of that book ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267429 Journey to Aprilioth]) and verify if the publication name really should miss an "i" compared to the cover and the title record? If that is the case, maybe we need a note in the record on the difference? I will post notes for the other 2 PVs that are still active and to the person that did the secondary verifications in case they have access to their sources.(PV1 and PV5 are inactive). [[User:Anniemod|Anniemod]] 08:06, 2 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:The 'i' is present in the book. I corrected the title. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:49, 2 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you (I agree). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:38, 21 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Wanderground: Stories of the Hill Women ==<br />
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Hi, I've imported content for your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254533 The Wanderground: Stories of the Hill Women].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 00:40, 5 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Novels of less than 80 pages ==<br />
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Hello, can you please fix [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?79 this batch of novels] that you entered (or modified) and that appears on one of our cleanup reports. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 09:32, 12 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Please see this matter, these titles are siiting in the cleanup report for some time now. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:19, 17 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Apparently corrected by someone. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:36, 21 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Introduction (Novacious #1) ==<br />
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{{T|2036762|Introduction (Novacious #1)}} is currently listed as shortfiction. Should this be an essay? If not, please add notes regarding ity actually being a story for future reference. Also, please see [[User talk:Chavey#Tempest in a Teapot]] from August which is still waiting a reply. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 01:04, 20 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:36, 21 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ISBNs for "Regal Crest" publishers ==<br />
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Publisher website: [http://regalcrest.biz/books.php Here].<br />
Authors completed: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?136820 R.G. Emanuelle], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?S._Y._Thompson S. Y. Thompson], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?141394 Damian Serbu], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?240753 Verda Foster].<br />
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Fixer's remaining catch:<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619290648 9781619290648] ''Faultless'' by Cleo Dare (Quest by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619290709 9781619290709] ''Regardless'' by Sharon Poppen (Silver Dragon Books by RC)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619291164 9781619291164] ''Shadowstalkers'' by Sky Croft (Mystic Books by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619291171 9781619291171] ''Shadowstalkers'' by Sky Croft (Mystic Books by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619291799 9781619291799] ''Amazonia: An Impossible Choice'' by Sky Croft (Regal Crest Enterprises: Yellow Rose Books)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619291539 9781619291539] ''Return of an Impetuous Pilot (RIP Van Dyke Series)'' by Kate McLachlan (Regal Crest Enterprises, LLC)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619291591 9781619291591] ''The Gardener of Aria Manor'' by A.L. Duncan (Regal Crest Enterprises, LLC)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292444 9781619292444] ''Scythian Fields - Part One'' by A. L. Duncan (Mystic Books by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292451 9781619292451] ''Scythian Fields, Part One'' by A.L. Duncan (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292802 9781619292802] ''Scythian Fields - Part Two'' by A L Duncan (Mystic Books by Rce)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292819 9781619292819] ''Scythian Fields Part Two'' by A.L. Duncan (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619291973 9781619291973] ''Lindsay, Jo and the Tree of Forever (Lindsay and Jo Book 2)'' by J.S. Frankel (Regal Crest Enterprises, LLC)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619291652 9781619291652] ''Lindsay Versus the Marauders (Lindsay and Jo)'' by JS Frankel (Regal Crest Enterprises Young Adult Books)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292390 9781619292390] ''Lindsay, Jo and the Well of Nevermore (Lindsay and Jo Book 3)'' by J.S. Frankel (Regal Crest Enterprises, LLC)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292512 9781619292512] ''What She Saw'' by J.S. Frankel (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619291416 9781619291416] ''Twisted'' by J.S. Frankel (Regal Crest Enterprises, LLC)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619291898 9781619291898] ''Partners: Book Two'' by Melissa Good (Regal Crest Enterprises, Silver Dragon Books)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053002 9781935053002] ''Hurricane Watch'' by Melissa Good (Yellow Rose by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053286 9781935053286] ''Storm Surge: Part 1: Book 8 in the Dar & Kerry Series'' by Melissa Good (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053750 9781935053750] ''Tropical Storm: The 2010 Author Edition (The Dar & Kerry Series)'' by Melissa Good (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053767 9781935053767] ''Hurricane Watch: Book 2 in the Dar & Kerry Series - Author's Cut'' by Melissa Good (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292468 9781619292468] ''Natural Order'' by Moondancer Drake (Mystic Books by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292475 9781619292475] ''Natural Order: Daughters of the Goddess'' by Moondancer Drake (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292765 9781619292765] ''Shadow Magic'' by Moondancer Drake (Mystic Books by Rce)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292772 9781619292772] ''Shadow Magic (Heartbeat of the Earth Book 1)'' by Moondance Drake(Regal Crest Books)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292543 9781619292543] ''Pulse Points'' by Barbara Valletto (Mystic Books by Rce)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292550 9781619292550] ''Pulse Points'' by Barbara Valletto (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292666 9781619292666] ''Everlong'' by Barbara Valletto (Mystic Books by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292673 9781619292673] ''Everlong'' by Barbara Valletto (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292079 9781619292079] ''To Dream'' by Paula Offutt (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300741 9781932300741] ''Butch Girls Can Fix Anything'' by Paula Offutt (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292239 9781619292239] ''Reflections of Fate'' by Pat Cronin (Regal Crest Enterprises, LLC)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292529 9781619292529] ''Chaos Beneath the Moonbeams'' by Sharon G Clark (Mystic Books by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053347 9781935053347] ''Into The Mist'' by Sharon G. Clark (Regal Crest Enterprises (Quest Books))<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292536 9781619292536] ''Chaos Beneath the Moonbeams: Book One of the Chaos Series'' by Sharon G. Clark (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292741 9781619292741] ''Stranger Than Fiction'' by Jeanine Hoffman (Mystic Books by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292758 9781619292758] ''Stranger Than Fiction'' by Jeanine Hoffman (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292864 9781619292864] ''The Wittering Way'' by Nat Burns (Mystic Books by Rce)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292871 9781619292871] ''The Wittering Way'' by Nat Burns (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292888 9781619292888] ''Beyond the Screen Door'' by Julia Diana Robertson (Mystic Books by Rce)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292895 9781619292895] ''Beyond the Screen Door'' by Julia Diana Robertson (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781627508391 9781627508391] ''Sorrowlands: Flora and the Demi-Gods'' by Iris Woodbury (Mystic Books)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781627508407 9781627508407] ''Blood on the Wall'' by Samantha Stein (Mystic Books)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781627508414 9781627508414] ''Spawn of Babylon'' by Carol Storm (Mystic Books)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781627509749 9781627509749] ''Juliana and the Wolf'' by Carol Storm (Mystic Books)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781627509350 9781627509350] ''The Legend of Blackhawk Manor'' by Anna Kristell (Mystic Books)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300512 9781932300512] ''The Three'' by Meghan O'Brien (Quest)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300642 9781932300642] ''Pipeline'' by Brenda Adcock (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300772 9781932300772] ''Reiko's Garden'' by Brenda Adcock (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300864 9781932300864] ''Redress of Grievances: A Harriett Markham/Jessie Raines Case File'' by Brenda Adcock (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053101 9781935053101] ''The Sea Hawk'' by Brenda Adcock (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053194 9781935053194] ''Tunnel Vision'' by Brenda Adcock (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300680 9781932300680] ''Echoes From The Mist'' by Blayne Cooper (Quest)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300727 9781932300727] ''And Playing the Role of Herself'' by K. E. Lane (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300840 9781932300840] ''Breaking Jaie'' by S. Renée Bess (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053378 9781935053378] ''The Butterfly Moments'' by S. Renée Bess (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300901 9781932300901] ''In the Blood'' by Rick R Reed (Quest)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300963 9781932300963] ''Deadly Vision'' by Rick R. Reed (Quest)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053057 9781935053057] ''Angel Land'' by Victor J Banis (Quest by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053125 9781935053125] ''A Question of Integrity (The Jess Maddocks Series)'' by Megan Magill (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053248 9781935053248] ''A Question of Courage (The Jess Maddocks Series)'' by Megan Magill (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053163 9781935053163] ''Twenty-four Days'' by Janet Albert (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053170 9781935053170] ''Struck'' by Keith Pyeatt (Quest by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053200 9781935053200] ''Piperton'' by Carrie Carr (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053279 9781935053279] ''A Table For Two'' by Janet Albert (Regal Crest)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053415 9781935053415] ''And Those Who Trespass Against Us'' by Helen M. Macpherson (RegalCrest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619290747 9781619290747] ''Universal Guardians: The Royal Descendant'' by Michele Coffman (Silver Dragon Books by RC)<br />
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Amazon's search links are a bit flaky and may take you to the Kindle version even if the ISBN belongs to the paper version. It shouldn't really matter since Amazon pages show links to all other editions. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:17, 25 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Publisher of "The House on Mango Street" ==<br />
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FYI, the name of the publisher of your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?502791 ''The House on Mango Street''] has been changed from "Arte Publico Press" to "Arte Público Press". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 21:42, 25 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Followup by User:Pwendt ==<br />
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Above I have posted some followup<br />
# [[#Pending Submission]], cf. [[#The Street of Mars]] --one you reviewed<br />
# [[#A Modern Cinderella]] --submitted change to one you verified<br />
# [[#Houghton Mifflin and Company]] --submitted change to one you verified --completed one day later --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:54, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:41, 26 October 2016 (UTC) [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:06, 26 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Ad[v]entures of Merrywink ==<br />
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Title {{t|1597391}}<br><br />
Hi. All of the Merrywink records show the mis-spelling "Adentures". I don't know an efficient sequence to change them all and one of the publications is yours so I pass this to you. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:51, 17 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks much for noticing that! I've fixed the various records that needed correction. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:57, 17 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Grand Opere/Opera series. ==<br />
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Hi. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Verification_requests#Grandi_.22Opera.22_Nord this]. It looks like you're the primary verifier of the pub on the one not like the others. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:20, 24 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Magazine logic (Bug 637) ==<br />
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This isn't exactly a bug, more like an obscure and hard to explain feature. At one point we went back and forth on the solution. The current implementation was the best compromise we could come up with.<br />
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The underlying problem is that some EDITOR titles can contain the search string even though the series name doesn't. Let's consider what happened when you searched for "New Worlds Science Fiction". The search found [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=New+Worlds+Science&type=Magazine the following 3 results]:<br />
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* New Worlds Science Fiction *<br />
* New Worlds Science Fiction (US)<br />
* New Worlds Science Fiction - January *<br />
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The first thing to note is the asterisks next to the first and third matches. As the note displayed on the results page says:<br />
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* The search results displayed below include all series AND magazine title records that match the entered value. Matching magazines whose series titles do not match the entered value have asterisks next to their titles.<br />
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Let's take a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?21573 ''Series: New Worlds Magazine'']. If the search logic was limited to looking for "New Worlds Science Fiction" in series names, it would find "New Worlds Science Fiction (US)" but not the original UK-based "New Worlds Magazine". However, 11 EDITOR records belonging to the UK series ''do'' have "New Worlds Science Fiction" in their titles, so it makes sense to show them.<br />
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Once we made the decision to include these EDITOR records in search results, we had to decide how we wanted to display them. We had two choices -- either create a separate section for them or try to incorporate them into the main display. A separate section would have made things clear, but it could potentially contain dozens of EDITOR records. In the end we adopted the second approach, tweaked the logic to combine similarly named EDITOR records (which doesn't always work 100% correctly -- see the "January" outlier that you found) and added asterisks.<br />
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In retrospect, it may have been better to have two separate sections and just accept the fact that the second section would be lengthy at time. What do you think? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:36, 25 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Crystal Singer ==<br />
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Your verified copy of {{P|37694|The Crystal Singer}} gives <I>Rob Burt</I> as the cover artist. What was the source of this name? Was it listed on the cover or on the copyright page or from somewhere else? --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 11:12, 27 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Des Geschlecht der Magier ==<br />
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Image URL found for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436242 this pub]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 22:13, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Saved by the Belle'' ==<br />
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I happened to stumble across the listing for the anthology ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?433071 Saved by the Belle]'' which you added to the DB-- being as the stories are all public domain and all available online (thanks, Google Books and magazine archives!) I read some of them and skimmed others. It's a cool & interesting anthology, giving a glimpse of the ways writers imagined women being intrepid in the early 1900s. I particularly liked the one about the telephone operator; a bit sentimental but energetic nonetheless, and a glimpse of a way that new communication technology felt in a very different age from ours. Anyhow, the reason I'm writing to you is that none of these stories is speculative except for the ghost story "The Shell of Sense" and "Buried Treasures." Do you want to remove the others from the listing? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 02:20, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: I'm gonna go ahead and do this tomorrow unless you object. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 18:53, 30 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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:: I have no memory of having added that. I didn't verify it, and I don't own it. I suspect it was something that Charles Waugh asked me to add for him, but I think he just likes to have all of his anthologies included. My guess is that you should delete most of the stories, but leave in the book and the two stories you see as speculative. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:21, 1 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::: Thanks. I have twice asked Mr. Waugh to please only add speculative content, or at least mark things NG, but gotten no reply. This isn't an all-fiction database and I don't have time to look through all of his anthologies myself... --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 08:46, 1 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Le Guin's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101051 Dreams Must Explain Themselves] ==<br />
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Hello, Darrah!<br />
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Can you reach your copy easily, as there turned up some associated questions: <br />
:1) Could you describe the interior art (as I presume that it was previously published in Algol)?<br />
:2) Is the map by John Bush also the one that accompanies the classic novels of Earthsea? (We could finally identify the artist for that one).<br />
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For now, I have added the extra page to the page count and a note on the date of publication.<br />
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Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:36, 11 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Tepper's ''The Gate to Women's Country'' ==<br />
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Re the note you added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40404 this record]. What evidence is there that the "print run was too large"? There's nothing "apparent" in the book to indicate this, and I question the both the validity and the necessity for this speculative portion of the note. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:21, 13 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Fanzines list - an update ==<br />
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I noticed you have done a lot of editing on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Fanzines fanzines] page. I just added a reference to Temple University's holdings. It seems they collect them and they are available for research. Ran across it looking for a source of FOSFAX information. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:00, 14 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes, it's one of the several libraries I use to check on fanzine data: Duke (Edwin and Terry Murray Fanzine Collection); Arizona (Anthony Boucher Fanzine Collection); Harvard (William Wilson Goodson and Paul S. Clarkson collections); Miami (Lenny Kaye SF Fanzine collection); Iowa (M. Horvat Science Fiction Fanzines Collection); UC-Riverside (Eaton Science Fiction Collection); Temple (Paskow Science Fiction Collection); Maryland (Coslet-Sapienza F & SF Fanzine Collection); and Texas A&M (Mike Hall/Chester Cuthbert Fanzine Collection); and New Brunswick's (unnamed) collection. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 10:01, 15 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Secret Garden (US) ==<br />
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For the presumed 1st ed. 2nd printing that you verified, I now submit change to the publisher full name Frederick A. Stokes Company. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3262498 This] will eliminate the short name from the database when approved. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:24, 15 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Ok with me. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:15, 16 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Change of "Birthstone Gothic" from pub series to title series ==<br />
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Hi. It appears the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3073 Birthstone Gothic] pub series ought to be a title series, the shared element being the stone. This change would affect one or more of your verified pubs. Are you ok with it? I am cross-posting this message to other primary verifiers. For a little more detail, see [[User_talk:MLB#The_Amethyst_Tears_publisher]]. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:41, 28 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I have no problem with that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:23, 28 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Typos 30-Dec ==<br />
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The following are possible typos in your verified pubs:<br />
* biographis - {{T|1319226|Readercon Committee Biographis}} in {{P|294777|Readercon 5 Program Book}}<br />
* foreward - {{T|1803173|Foreward (The Soulforge)}} in {{P|31332|The Soulforge}}<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 03:34, 31 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Epilogue to "the Lottery" ==<br />
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Ironically given the message you just posted about the prologue to ''Frankenstein'', you've made a similar mistake -- the Epilogue to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?490542 The Lottery and Other Stories]'' has "from James Harris, the Daemon Lover" written at the end, and you wrote down the author as Shirley Jackson and James Harris. But actually, this is an excerpt from a traditional ballad [Child #243, Text F] titled "James Harris, the Daemon Lover". If it's all right with you, I'm going to change the author to uncredited (with a note). --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 20:32, 3 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: No problem! Thanks for catching that. Although I think it was probably someone else who listed that content item -- at least I don't remember doing it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:41, 3 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:: That's good. Also you verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?245125 this one] where it's credited to Shirley Jackson. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 20:44, 3 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Kissing Sin ==<br />
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I corrected the cover artist for {{P|296722|Kissing Sin}} with notes... [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 00:28, 24 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you. That cover is credited within the books as "Cover design by Jae Song". But you are certainly correct on the identification from Stephen Youll's web site. Song may have ''designed'' it, but Youll clearly did the actual art. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:21, 24 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Il Libro d'Oro ==<br />
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Hello. This just to tell you I have normalized the name of this pub series in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?497730 your verified]. Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 14:38, 25 January 2017 (UTC).<br />
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: Thank you. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:58, 26 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding Gender to Author Edit ==<br />
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I've brought up the issue of adding gender identification to the author edits again in the Community Portal. If you're still interested you might want to comment.--[[User:Rkihara|Rkihara]] 18:34, 4 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. I've joined in. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:14, 4 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The bunch of Edward Letter Rosicks ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you check in your verified "Twisted, #5, Summer 1989" if {{A|Edward D. Rosick}} is not yet another spelling for {{A|Edward R. Rosick}}? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:13, 14 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: I can't tell. It's listed as "Edward D." in both the table of contents and at the poem. Edward R. only has one published poem, in the year before this one, which would support a guess that they're the same person, but that's pretty weak evidence. Unfortunately, I don't own the issue of Pandora that has Edward R.'s poem, so I can't compare them by style. That zine is on my "want list", but until we can get some additional evidence, we're best to leave them separate, and add a note on the Edward D. poem that it may be the same author as ... [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:02, 15 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:: OK, sounds like they will need to stay separated. For now. Thanks for looking! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 15 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Holly Tibiri vs Holly Tiberi ==<br />
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Hi in your primary (transient) verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55995 Aberrations #18, March 1994] you attribute [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2145395 Hi There, You!] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?246257 Holly Tibiri]. Can that be a typo for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27309 Holly Tiberi], now known as Holly Tiberi-Monti?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:49, 18 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: It must be, since "both" of these artists drew for Aberrations (although "Tiberi" drew for it when they misspelled their own title!). The art has no signature, only the initials "HT", and the contents list her as "Tibiri", so we should leave it that way, but I set "Holly Tibiri" to be a pseudonym for "Holly Tiberi". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:00, 19 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Gulliver's Travels ==<br />
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Re Signet Classic #CD14 Gulliver's Travels T{{t|2122338}}. Last month you verified the 5th printing and perhaps also entered the 1st printing identically.<br />
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1. Only one should have the February 1960 date, if i understand correctly. <br />
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:: Thank you for catching that. I had cloned the existing 1st printing, and neglected to correct the print date. I have done so now.<br />
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2. I made the interiorart by Charles Brock a variant of that by C.E. Brock (original date unknown at the moment). There is a 21st century Charles Brock in the database and C.E. Brock will not commonly be credited as "Charles Brock", so the pseudonym should probably be differentiated parenthetically.<br />
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:: Fine with me. The credit on the book is "Charles Brock".<br />
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: 3. Did you create our cover image. It shows price 50c at upper left. --PWendt 22:19<br />
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:: That is the correct cover for the fifth printing, and I've added the price to that listing. I have no idea if it's the correct cover for the first printing. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:15, 24 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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(On the second point, a moderator might take action.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:17, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A Matter of Seggri ==<br />
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Would you mind double checking {{T|938587|A Matter of Seggri}}? You have both verifications for pubs containing this story. It is usually credited as {{T|40605|The Matter of Seggri}}. Looking at the Amazon Look Inside of the 2008 ''Flying Cups and Saucers'', the TOC shows "The". It should be merged or varianted as appropriate. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 03:38, 1 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: You're correct. I checked the title page as well, to make sure that it wasn't a disagreement between the TOC and the story itself, but they both have "The" (as does the original editor's draft for the book). I updated the title and merged it with the other version. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:25, 4 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Joan VanderPutten ==<br />
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In {{P|580122|Twisted, #5, Summer 1989}}, the story on page 69 is credited as "Joan VanderPutten". She is usually credited as {{A|Joan Vander Putten}}. Would you please double check the space and set up a pseudonym if truly not present? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:29, 5 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Very definitely without the space, in both the TOC and at the story page. So I set up the variant. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 09:27, 8 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Magic City ==<br />
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Hi, You verified the 1947 Benn ed. {{p|460839}}. From the image we now display, I doubt that the COVERART is by Millar, as are the interior illustrations probably (altho Benn is the 1948/49 publisher of three Five Children novels with new illustrations by J.S. Goodall). Perhaps you entered interiorart as coverart?<br />
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Millar illustrated the 1st ed. of this novel as a book, but <i>The Strand</i> serial was illustrated by Gerald Spencer Pryse. View e-copy at HathiTrust, chapter 1 with 3 illustrations [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015086870485?urlappend=%3Bseq=118 39:1 p108] and [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015086870485?urlappend=%3Bseq=7 v39 Index].<br />
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--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:06, 7 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Story of the Amulet (Looking Glass Library) ==<br />
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You verified Looking Glass Library #18 ''The Story of the Amulet'' P{{p|440181}}.<br />
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Amazon.com now provides for [https://www.amazon.com/story-amulet-E-Nesbit/dp/B007HDY1TY ASIN: B007HDY1TY] 5 images of what should be your book. The cover image may be useful. But at least one image shows work by another artist evidently. Another image there is the title page, which fits your linked WorldCat record: "Looking Glass Library; distributed by Random House". <br />
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Does your book state "Published by Epstein & Carroll ..." on the copyright page? <br />
(Yesterday I added the Notes at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?49530 Publisher: Epstein & Carroll]. I plan soon to Note appropriately at Publisher: Looking Glass Library and at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?163 Publication series LGL] --after the 1960 publication is moved, I hope its verifier agrees.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:53, 10 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Secret Garden ==<br />
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You entered ''The Secret Garden'' T{{t|13434}}, 1st and 2nd printings (US)<br />
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1. Evidently both were issued August 1911. You note of the 2nd, "We do not suggest that the date of "August 31" is accurate, rather we use that day to place these two printings in the proper order." That doesn't work unless you also give an earlier day of the month for the 1st printing, because "1911-08-00" follows all of the complete dates.<br />
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2. The illustrator signature must be "M. L. Kirk.", as you note possible, not Kick. That name version is already in the database {{a|M. L. Kirk}} for ''Annotated Alice'' credits. She is in the Library of Congress catalog as illustrator of numerous famous works (Canterbury, Gulliver) not including ''The Secret Garden''. See Formats and Editions of The secret garden at WorldCat [https://www.worldcat.org/title/secret-garden/oclc/557480207/editions?start_edition=41&sd=asc&referer=di&se=yr&editionsView=true&fq=].<br />
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<s>Wikipedia ''The Secret Garden'' now credits "M. B. Kirk" in passing and does not credit the British illustrations (Charles Robinson). That's on my list but not at the top. --Pwendt 18:27</s> <br />
: Done barely, with ISFDB as cited source altho the record is not yet revised here. <br />
: Also I should cite Encyclopedia of Fantasy entry "Secret Garden" [http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=secret_garden]. --Pwendt 20:53<br />
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P.S. What HathiTrust provides for this title, with copyright page that shows Stokes logo and "August 1911" [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015002311556?urlappend=%3Bseq=8], contains no illustrations through page 54. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 18 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?382129 Das Nibelungenbuch] ==<br />
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Hi, I normalized the publisher and the price for this publication. As Deutsche Nationalbibliothek also lists a publication for 1923 (the first printing), yours may well be the second printing with a print run of 15,000 copies ('16. - 30. Tsd.'). Is there any hint for this? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:44, 2 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Automatic user notification? ==<br />
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Hi. You replied to Hauck and me at [[User talk:Pwendt#Adding fictive days in publication date]] concerning <i>The Secret Garden</i> 1st ed. Did my provision there of an active link to your user talk space generate a notice to you? (I know of that feature at Wikipedia. Here I provide a link partly to test whether that generates notice to me.) Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:59, 4 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: No, I didn't get any automatic notification. Because of other threads, Hauck's talk page is on my Watch List, so I noticed the post. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:00, 6 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Over the Nonsense Road ==<br />
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Hi, Your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?608225 Over the Nonsense Road] contains interior art contributed to {{A|F. Strothman}}. Could you please check that? If it is the case it is a variant name for {{A|F. Strothmann}} (1872-1958), who is mentioned in the worldcat record for this title.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:26, 5 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: It was a typo. I have corrected it to "Strothmann". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]]<br />
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== Changes to The Book of Night With Moon ==<br />
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I have made some changes to {{P|165361|The Book of Night with Moon}}. Imported contents to match verified {{P|36345|trade-paperback}} and {{P|275127|SF Book Club}} versions, added un-numbered pages in front because of those contents, and added more details to Notes. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 03:48, 8 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Tempest by Dulac and Hodder & Stoughton ==<br />
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P{{p|476393}} is now publication ''The Comedy of the Tempest'' of chapbook and shortfiction both with the same title. The cited WorldCat library records (3) are not decisive concerning the title and say nothing about which version is the dramatic or prose fiction content.<br />
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This is the 2nd annual Christmas book from Dulac and Hodder & Stoughton --that first line of the publication Notes is my insertion months ago-- and is called ''Shakespeare's Comedy of the Tempest'' in the Dulac entry at ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy''. The Dulac biography at Wikipedia says, "In 1908, Edmund Dulac produced an edition of ''Shakespeare's Comedy of The Tempest'' with a scholarly plot summary and commentary by Arthur Quiller-Couch, lavishly bound and illustrated with 40 watercolour illustrations."<br />
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At the moment, the shortfiction is a database variant of ''The Winter's Tale'' while the chapbook and coverart are variants of ''The Tempest, or, The Enchanted Island'', which is the Dryden and Davenant dramatic adaptation of Shakespeare's play. Do you know or vaguely recall anything from Bloomsbury that pertains to adaptation? (At the moment I don't even know whether this gift book version of Shakespeare, and others of that time, contain a play or prose.) <br />
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I will look for this in 1908 newspapers but not do much on these gift books soon. I do think we should be able to make Dulac both cover and interior illustrator of each book in the series, without having a citation for each. The only question is what to say, perhaps in notes on a new Series. For this publication now, Dulac is cover artist only. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:27, 19 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Your two OCLC records give heading/title "The Tempest" and "The Comedy of the Tempest". Neither is clearly dated 1908, nor do I find a WorldCat record for publication as "Shakespeare's Comedy of the Tempest" clearly dated 1908. One contemporary newspaper item gives that full title; several do not. Several ABEbooks dealers use that full title, and show that it was the front cover title. Clute/Grant give that full title also. So I am underway using that title for the 1908 chapbook and its illustrations. <br />
: ... Several submissions approved, so Dulac now has cover and interior art titles "Shakespeare's Comedy of the Tempest", and all title relationships with ''The Winter's Tale'' and ''The Tempest, or, The Enchanted Island'' are undone/replaced as appropriate, I think. <br />
: More Tempest submissions in the queue ... To be continued when I have access to the newspapers again. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:59, 28 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
:: For the 1926 edition under parent title The Tempest your notes and cited oclc record do not support artist credit as Mary Grabhorn. From my phone --Pwendt<br />
::: Yes they do. Hence the note "Data from Mugwump Books". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:17, 29 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Iron Hut" ==<br />
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One of the stories in your verified pub ''Sword and Mythos'', [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1848579 "The Iron Hut"], was 7,100 words long [http://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/fiction/the-iron-hut/ when it appeared in ''Lightspeed''] even though you had it down as a novelette. I've changed it, I hope that's okay. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 03:50, 21 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: If you've got a word count, that's more accurate than my page count. Thanks for the correction! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:17, 21 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Bob Johnson ==<br />
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In your {{P|463520|The National Fantasy Fan, Vol. 8, #5, November 1949}}, there is an essay on page 10 credited to {{A|Bob Johnson}}. However, it was published in 1949 and the Johnson's birth date is given as 1950. We also have a {{A|Bob Johnson (I)|233802}} that edited a fanzine around the same time the letter was published. Given it's a common name, is there anything in the letter that would suggest that it's Bob Johnson (I) or a third Bob Johnson? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:02, 30 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: That issue doesn't seem to be with my other NFF's, so I'll have to wait until I can look through some other boxes. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:51, 2 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
::No problem. In the mean time, I've updated the credit to Bob Johnson (I) since it cannot be the non-disambiguted one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:55, 2 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
::: I agree with that decision, and when I find my missing fanzines, I'll see if I can get any more info from that essay. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:41, 2 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Arlan Andrews, Sr. ==<br />
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I am changing the canonical name for Arlan Andrews, Sr.; this will affect some verified pubs of yours, such as an issue of ''Yearnings''. [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 15:44, 2 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Bride of the Isles" ==<br />
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In your verified publication ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?300997 The Shilling Shockers]'', you have "The Bride of the Isles" as a short story. However, another publication verified by others, ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?535475 The Vampire Omnibus]'', has it as a novelette. Can you figure out which is correct? Thanks. (I have also changed some title capitalization in that publication.) --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 02:29, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Ashley &amp; Contento list it as a novelette, so we might as well. The page count, of 25 pp, certainly implies that it's a novelette, but my impression was that it was a publication without very many words per page, so I listed it as a short story. Maybe sometime I'll get around to doing an actual word count. I haven't found it in electronic format, so I don't think I can get a computer word count. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:05, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I have seen your edit and am startled by the attribution to Byron. If I understand rightly, this anonymously-published Blue Book piece was a prose version of James Robinson Planché's play ''The Vampire, or The Bride of the Isles'', which in turn was inspired by Polidori's ''The Vampyre'', which had been wrongly attributed to Byron. Now, what the ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' says is this: "...the anonymous ''The Bride of the Isles: A Tale Founded on the Popular Legend of the Vampire by Lord Byron'' (1820 chap), taken from James Robinson Planché's loose dramatization of John Polidori's ''The Vampyre: A Tale'' (1819)..." In other words, the cover of the chapbook, as reported by EoF, attributes the "Legend of the Vampire" to Byron, not this work. Does Milly Williamson give any better reason? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 21:48, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::: Williamson says that the original blue book adaptation of it credited Lord Byron -- [https://books.google.com/books?id=eZ8MX4OUu2IC&pg=PA52&dq=&quot;the+story+to+Lord+Byron&quot; here] is the reference. Looking a little further though, [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/13101928 WorldCat] lists this attribution, but says it is in error. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:22, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I think Williamson must have been misreading "A Tale [Founded on [the Popular Legend of the Vampire by Lord Byron]]" as "A Tale [Founded on the Popular Legend of the Vampire] by Lord Byron." Admittedly an easy mistake to make, if you don't keep in mind that whoever composed that title thought Byron wrote ''The Vampyre''.--[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 23:36, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Since WorldCat lists the bluebook with Lord Byron as the attributed author, I don't think Williamson was misreading it. The bluebook itself must claim it was written by Byron. Which makes it interesting to figure out how to list it. The bluebook itself should, probably, be listed with Lord Byron as the author, and then variant ''that'' to "anonymous", which is the opposite direction of what we normally do with "anonymous". I've got about 20 of those early 1800 bluebooks (only [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1587172 one of which] I've entered), but this is not one of the ones I have. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:46, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Worldcat isn't infallible... this is certainly an interesting and tricky case. It sure would be nice to look at the original, wouldn't it? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 23:54, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Yes it would! But they're fairly rare, especially in the US. There are several good collections in the UK, but here in the states the only substantial collections I know about are mine, a set of 13 at [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/38493831 UCLA], and a set of 48 at [http://search.lib.virginia.edu/catalog/u4352483 The Univ. of Virginia]. None of these collections contains this particular bluebook. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:07, 11 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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As of today, I have made some changes to the note on the Anonymous title record, and varianted the James Robinson Planché record to the Byron title record. I hope you (as the specialist in this era) will straighten it out further, but this should help a bit. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 00:26, 19 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== R. Titel & K. Goldschnitt ==<br />
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Hi, I'd like you to remove both these non-persons from the database. Phew! That sounds harsh. But "R. Titel" is in fact the red title on the book, and "K. Goldschnitt" the gilded page topping ([https://www.ilab.org/eng/glossary/deu/197-kopfgoldschnitt.html Kopfgoldschnitt]).--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:42, 18 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Will do! I obviously misunderstood the translation Google gave me. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:31, 19 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:: Looks like you removed the publication, "R. Titel" and "K. Goldschnitt" are still around.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:04, 19 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
:::I've removed the title so the authors have now disappeared.[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:51, 19 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
:::: Thank you, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 13:09, 19 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Impossible Stories II ==<br />
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Hi, I slightly altered your notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?307380 Impossible Stories II]. I made it 5 parts instead of 4, and gave each part a number (you had written out 'three' and 'four').--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 11:53, 21 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: No objection. The written out numbers came from WorldCat. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:20, 21 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== update to ''The Other Side of the Mirror'' ==<br />
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I am about to change the title of your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44940 The Other Side of the Mirror] to what's on the title page: ''The Other Side of the Mirror and Other Darkover Stories''. [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 04:30, 28 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A batch of nongenre stories - if you disagree please comment ==<br />
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Currently there are numerous non-genre horror stories that are in the database because it's natural to just enter a book of horror or "tales of terror" without figuring out which stories are supernatural. I don't intend to systematically hunt for them, but when I spot one, I like to mark it nongenre. (In the case of classic stories, marking is better than removing it from the database because it'll just get re-added with some new anthology.) At the moment, I've spotted the following stories that I think need such a change, and I'm consulting people who have them in their verified pubs.<br />
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Firstly, there's ''Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural'' (verified copies: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517709 (1)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289442 (2)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?415777 (3)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?435921 (4)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366609 (5)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?446362 (6)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?577863 (7)]), which contains "A Terribly Strange Bed," "The Three Strangers," "The Most Dangerous Game," "Leiningen Versus the Ants," "A Rose for Emily," "Taboo," and undoubtedly other non-supernatural ones that I'm not noticing at the moment. Here are verified publications for those and some other stories:<br />
* "Taboo" by Geoffrey Household - An eastern European community is terrorized by a series of murders. The mystery is solved, but the terror, and other psychological effects, linger on. Non-supernatural - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249393 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359537 The Dark of the Soul]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451254 The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253539 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375537 Griezelverhalen 2]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516539 Van Lichtelijk Luguber tot Meedogenloos Macaber]<br />
* "A Rose for Emily" by William Faulkner - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rose_for_Emily#Plot_summary SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?333722 Classic Tales of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37873 The Dark Descent]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205381 The Dark Descent]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191317 The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293237 The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413748 The Lucifer Society]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196813 The Medusa in the Shield]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359245 The Giant Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?591258 The Oxford Book of Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43731 American Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2399 American Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472269 The Golden Argosy]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?403273 Vóór Middernacht: De Beste Griezelverhalen]<br />
* "A Terribly Strange Bed" by Wilkie Collins - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Terribly_Strange_Bed SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369520 Tales of Terror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?368071 Tales of Terror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326642 Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326754 Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294185 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233089 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?306036 Nightfrights]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517776 Nightfrights]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386608 Adventure Stories for Girls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369352 Horror by Lamplight]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346979 The Wordsworth Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189037 Mad Monkton and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413840 Masterpieces of Mystery in Four Volumes]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18059 In the Grip of Terror]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514839 Van Edgar Allan Poe tot Roald Dahl]<br />
* "The Three Strangers" by Thomas Hardy - [http://klasikfanda.blogspot.com/2012/07/short-story-three-strangers-by-thomas.html SUMMARY] - http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472269 The Golden Argosy]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?424385 Tellers of Tales]<br />
* "Leiningen Versus the Ants" by Carl Stephenson - A lurid and much exaggerated account of army ants, but not intended to be taken as speculative, I feel sure - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451254 The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383522 The Big Book of Adventure Stories]<br />
* "The Most Dangerous Game" by Richard Connell -[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Dangerous_Game SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558649 Early September]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?416364 Psychos]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?302214 The Ghouls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291549 The Ghouls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?512071 Alfred Hitchcock's Spellbinders in Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394763 Stories and Storytellers]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573152 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23955 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383522 The Big Book of Adventure Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375279 Verhalen die Hitchcock Koos]<br />
* "Lamb to the Slaughter" by Roald Dahl - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_to_the_Slaughter#Plot_summary SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?176041 Someone Like You (Dell)]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322881 Lamb to the Slaughter and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?480807 Tales of the Unexpected]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?471509 Someone Like You (Livre de Poche)]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?537122 Rakkaani, kyyhkyläiseni / Joku kaltaisesi]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?533499 Lammkeule und andere Geschichten]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371205 M'n Liefje, M'n Duifje]<br />
* "Contents of the Dead Man's Pockets" by Jack Finney - [http://www.elacommoncorelessonplans.com/contents-of-the-dead-mans-pocket-lesson-plans-summary-analysis.html SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180273 The Third Level]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258702 The Clock of Time]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258701 The Clock of Time]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301201 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33359 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439201 The Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301712 The First Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573152 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23955 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375537 Griezelverhalen 2]<br />
* "Two Bottles of Relish" by Lord Dunsany - One of Dunsany's few non-speculative crime stories. [https://cgrishikesh.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/lord-dunsany-two-bottles-of-relish/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?64784 In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588045 In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17298 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17297 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444547 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257830 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 The Unexpected]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9463 Death]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?344994 Masterpieces of Horror]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251144 Owls' Watch]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34443 Tall Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301201 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33359 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [Stories for the Dead of Night http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249393]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253539 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503597 Nacht en Ontij]<br />
* "A Note for the Milkman" by Sidney Carroll - [https://tentoinfinity.com/2013/06/05/a-note-for-the-milkman-by-sidney-carroll/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51648 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193021 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193049 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251425 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180161 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251424 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251426 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263437 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444141 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503597 Nacht en Ontij]<br />
* "The Cone" by H. G. Wells - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cone SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304364 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?574053 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439345 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495929 A Harvest of Horrors]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288845 The Time Machine: An Invention and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360304 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426598 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426599 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331258 Selected Short Stories of H. G. Wells]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?524428 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285926 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352106 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338206 Complete Short Story Omnibus]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37475 The Cone]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?575308 Works of H. G. Wells]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420004 The Country of the Blind and Other Selected Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404370 Der gestohlene Bazillus und andere Geschichten]<br />
* "The Lodger" by Marie Belloc Lowndes - [https://margotkinberg.wordpress.com/2013/06/10/in-the-spotlight-marie-bellocc-lowndes-the-lodger/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18836 Jack the Knife]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27604 Red Jack]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233089 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294185 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; <br />
* "The Terrapin" by Patricia Highsmith - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terrapin SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301711 The Twelfth Pan Book of Horror Stories]<br />
Are there any of those stories you think ARE genre? [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 15:04, 30 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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ADDENDUM: Discussion moved to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Nongenre_stories:_attempt_at_a_roundup Community Portal]. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 00:49, 31 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: I haven't read any of those books, I just own them. So I have no objection to your separating the genre from the non-genre if you've gone to the trouble to read them. And I appreciate your doing so. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:21, 31 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Hävittäjä ==<br />
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A quick question about your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?559646 ''Hävittäjä'']: is "James Tiptree Jr. (1915-1987)" on p.378 short fiction as opposed to an essay? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:49, 30 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Sorry about that. It is, of course, a biographical essay -- and I corrected that in the book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 11:59, 11 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Harriet stories by Martin (S.) Waddell ==<br />
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Hi, Do you have anything about publication of these stories as by '''Martin S. Waddell''', beyond the fact that we have one record of its 1968 US pbk publication as by Martin S., {{p|16409}}? Six years ago at [[Author:Martin Waddell]] you cite "the "Harriet" stories of our Martin S. Waddell" (plural), altho only one is now in the database.<br />
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Today I added the 1968 US pbk price and all of its Notes except the first, "It has very large print." The cited WorldCat record gives "Martin Waddell", as do those for UK and 1st US eds. I didn't notice the variant name until I went on to add the 1st ed. publication {{p|621126}} (done). Later I added both Title notes. So there was little in the database about Harriet books yesterday, perhaps less than when you mentioned the plural Harriet books years ago. (I guess from the titles that others may have been deleted as non-genre.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:02, 6 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Caryatid[e]s in ''Last Tales'' ==<br />
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In you verified {{P|20003|Last Tales}}, is it "Caryatides", with the "e", or "Caryatids", without? The Look Insides for the two Vintage editions have it without. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:30, 11 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry to be a pest. Are you ok with my changing the canonical to remove the "e" based on the Look Inside info, or would you rather I left the canonical as-is for now and made an "e"-less variant of that for the Vintage editions? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:18, 18 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:: I haven't been able to get to that book, so go ahead and make the change -- I'll verify it when I get those boxes available again. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ok, done. Thanks! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:57, 20 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Edited by Mary Mapes Dodge ==<br />
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Regarding [[User:Chavey/Gender#Magazines, prior to 1980, that were edited by women]], the US children's literary magazine [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?26943 ''St. Nicholas''] was edited by Mary Mapes Dodge. Do you mean to include such work? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:15, 15 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: In general, I was not including non-genre or "occasionally genre" magazines in that list. "Belgravia" was an exception, because we had ''so many'' issues that were relevant to us. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:28, 15 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Big Golden Book of Elves and Fairies ==<br />
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Hi, You verified the 1st ed. P{{p|396997}}. <br />
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# Can you confirm that "The Lost Merbaby" includes none of the original silhouette illustrations, which would be Mary Baker's contribution and quite distinctive. They are featured in reviews of the original chapbook edition, reported by two WorldCat records as [100] and [93] pages (US and UK, now in the submission queue). [https://www.amazon.co.uk/TOMSONS-HALLOWEEN-Margaret-Baker/dp/B01CGBLGD0 Amazon UK] shows one cover illustration presumably by Mary Baker.<br />
# Does the anthology simply credit the story as by Margaret Baker and Mary Baker (or Margaret and Mary Baker)? I made the 1951 version a variant Title of the 1927 short story by Margaret --by analogy to the 1929 ''Tomson's Hallowe'en'', where ''The Supernatural Index'' reports it anthologized in 1936 as by both Bakers.<br />
# You note that one numerical code may indicate price $1.95. Yes that is the price given in two 1951 newspaper articles. But they both give title '''''Giant''' Golden Book of Elves and Fairies'', publisher '''Simon & Schuster''', price $1.95.<br />
* Marcia Winn, ''Chicago Daily Tribune'' 1951-11-11 pB4 "Picture Books ..." (brief reviews) <br />
* Louise S. Bechtel, ed., ''New York Herald Tribune'' 1951-12-02 pE22 "Gift Books for Boys and Girls ..." (long list)<br />
There is no other 1951 hit for me today using a library subscription to ProQuest.com Historical Newspapers ("golden book of elves and fairies") and I get only one more (3 hits) for ("golden book" elves), a retailer advertisement for big golden books (lower case) that lists "Elves & Fairies" at $1.95.<br />
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Is it certain that you have the 1st printing? [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/177832290 OCLC 177832290] is the one WorldCat record that gives heading "The Big Golden Book" (rather than "The Giant", such as [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/754712822 OCLC 754712822]), and it does give date simply "1951", publisher Golden Press, with more info about boards and plastic coating. If that fits, you can link the library record.<br />
Wikipedia makes Golden Press / Western Publishing Company the second publisher of Golden Books, after Simon & Schuster. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:20, 15 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Door into Terror cover artist ==<br />
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I added Lou Feck's cover art credit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11504 Door into Terror] by Juanita Coulson--as on Coulson's The Secret of Seven Oaks, he signed it. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 21:01, 17 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 12:32, 20 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Show & Tell ==<br />
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You have verified several issues of Janus magazine. <br />
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These contain movie reviews using the title ''Show & Tell'': [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404277][http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404279][http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404280]<br />
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This one uses ''Show and Tell'': [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404281]<br />
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One other inconsistency is that three of them use ... (Movie Review: list of movies). [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404277 This one] uses ... (list of movies) (Movie Review).<br />
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--[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 04:33, 22 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== It Happens Every Spring ==<br />
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It looks like we have duplicate pubs between your primary verified {{P|620825|It Happens Every Spring}} and Chris J's secondary verified {{P|558589|It Happens Every Spring}}. Normally, I'd saw deleted the secondary and keep the primary, but the secondary has a cover image. Might be easier to move your primary verification over if you believe they are indeed duplicates. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:08, 9 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: I merged the records. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:20, 9 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Cloning/Importing backwards in time ==<br />
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Hello, you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3523067 imported] into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?625581 this 1950 publication] contents dated 1951 perhaps without seeing the yellow warning. The net result is that the dates of all the titles will have to be manually set to 1950. When you're intending to perform such an action, it's better to update the dates of the "to-be-cloned" title beforehand and then clone or import, this will only take on submission vs. a lot. Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:16, 24 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Oops! Sorry about that. I see you corrected the dates. Thanks, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:04, 24 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Lydia Obukhova ==<br />
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A quick question re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3523891 this submission]. It added "Lidii͡a Alekseevna Obukhova" as another "Transliterated [author] name". Did you mean to add it as a "Transliterated Legal Name" instead, by chance? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:59, 24 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: You're right, I should have done it that way. (This is the way her name is transcribed on the copyright page in her only English book.) Corrected now. (It took me a while to figure out how to enter "i͡a".) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:13, 25 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Title typos ==<br />
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Hello, I've corrected typos in some story titles of the Brothers Grimm. The ToC in the german wikisource [https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Kinder-_und_Hausm%C3%A4rchen] is often different with the original scans!<br />
See the discussion here: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#Varianting_of_Grimm_titles]. Thanks Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 06:10, 11 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Starry Rift ==<br />
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Hi, I changed the page count from 256 to 250 and added the short story [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?969792 At the Library] that appears at pages 248-250 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?179481 The Starry Rift].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 11:39, 11 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Friends by Torchlight by Wayne Allen Sallee ==<br />
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Hi, I added the stories to this collection.<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?307612<br />
[[User:Keesbs|Keesbs]] 12:05, 19 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks much! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:02, 19 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Prelude to Mars ==<br />
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Please see [[User talk:Bluesman#Prelude to Mars]] --[[User talk:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 14:31, 22 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Black Desert of Gomba Mo ==<br />
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Hi Darrah. Question about your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256623 The Dark Tales], specifically "The Black Desert of Gomba Mo" on p.89. Can you make sure there's a space and not a dash between 'Gomba' and 'Mo'? I've just received <i>New Fantasy Journal #1</i> and it has the dash in the title on the title page, and if yours doesn't, I'll have to unmerge the title from the pub list, change it then variant the Dark Tales title to that one, since mine is the earlier. At least that's what I believe should be done (not 100% sure). However, if yours has the dash we can just change it at the title level. Thanks for any help and/or advice. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 17:42, 29 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Stardark Songs ==<br />
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Hi, I've imported content for your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?349976 Stardark Songs].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:51, 12 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: As it turns out, you didn't really. You imported the interior art content, but not the poems themselves. But I appreciate you pointing that out to me: I had typed all those poems in by hand when I verified the hardcover edition, but hadn't imported them into the tp (which I had also verified) or the deluxe edition. So I imported the full contents into both of the other editions. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:35, 13 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Happily Ever After'' ==<br />
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In your verified publication ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?349944 Happily Ever After]'', you have the contents dated 6-21, which is the date of the print edition. Amazon gives a date of 6-01 for the Kindle edition-- which is very possible, since they do sometimes release the ebook earlier, especially if it's an Amazon exclusive. Do you have any reason to think it wasn't actually published on the first? (Unfortunately, the publisher's website was no help.) If that's the right date, you ought to change the dates of those records items. (And also import the contents to the ebook edition.) Thanks--[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 13:24, 13 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: Amazon uses the first of the month whenever they don't know what the actual day of release is, in the same way that they use "January" whenever they don't know what the actual month of release is. You'll notice that they *never* put down an "unknown" month or day, the way we do. So if Amazon says something was released on, say "March 1, 2017", all you really know is that it was released sometime in March, 2017. And if they say something was released on "Jan. 1, 2017", all you really know is that it was released ''sometime'' in 2017. Thus if we have a "real" date of publication, I will ''always'' take that in preference to Amazon's "claim" that it was published on the first, unless we have some other reason to believe them. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 12:55, 24 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Report to the Men's Club and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hello, I've changed to title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251877 your PVed collection] to simply <i>Report to the Men's Club</i> as per title page. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:53, 24 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Harvey Jacobs ==<br />
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Hi, Darrah, The change for the late Harvey Jacobs is still pending in the submission queue. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:38, 30 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, I hadn't realized I hadn't approved it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:54, 30 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Matrix 31 ==<br />
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Hi Darrah, I'm working my way through many early issues of the BSFA's ''Matrix'', updating things to our current standards where necessary, putting essays into series, adding interior art etc. I've made a few such minor amendments to our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331490 Matrix #31] and added a comprehensive Note. Please do let me know if you have any concerns or input. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 06:55, 9 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: I hadn't done very much with those fanzines, since Bill had been the first verifier then. But I'm more than willing to accept your additions. I don't usually worry as much as I should about interior art in fanzines, and only occasionally with essay series, so I'll gladly accept your additions. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:52, 9 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== His Majesty's Dragon ==<br />
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Hello, I found Your verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426650 this pub]. The record says 356 pages, but <i>Excerpt from Throne of Jade</i> starts on page 357. How comes? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 12:57, 16 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: Excerpts from other books are equivalent to advertisements, and we do not normally include advertisement pages in the page count. In general, the page count in a novel is an expression of how long the novel itself is, not the novel with various other things that might pad this out. (This is the way WorldCat counts pages, not the way Amazon counts them.) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:15, 18 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 05:17, 19 October 2017 (EDT) But is it necessary to put contents/advertisements which not belong to the novel? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 05:35, 19 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::: It is common to put those items in the publication notes, but usually not to include them in the page count or in the contents listing for the book. Some editors, though, do list them in the contents. We are not consistent about that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:34, 19 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Elizabeth Bowen ==<br />
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You verified Elizabeth Bowen's collections ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262035 The Demon Lover and Other Stories]'' and ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262097 Collected Stories]''. I've been looking into Bowen's supernatural fiction and I am pretty sure only 16 of the collected stories qualify as such: <br />
*"The Shadowy Third"<br />
*"The Back Drawing-Room"<br />
*"The Apple Tree"<br />
*"Hand in Glove"<br />
*"Dead Mabelle"<br />
*"Foothold"<br />
*"Telling"<br />
*"The Cat Jumps"<br />
*"Look at All Those Roses"<br />
*"The Inherited Clock" <br />
*"The Cheery Soul" <br />
*"The Demon Lover" <br />
*"The Happy Autumn Fields" <br />
*"Pink May" <br />
*"Green Holly" <br />
*"Mysterious Kôr" <br />
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Do you know of any others that should be added to this list? Bowen also has another volume of stories not included in the "Collected," ''The Bazaar'', and I haven't determined which of those are supernatural yet.<br />
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I ask because I have been marking Bowen's stories non-genre as carefully as I can. I think ultimately it would be a good idea to remove her nongenre work from the database entirely. She's definitely not an "above the threshold" author, with only one of her ten novels and 17 of 80 stories having fantastic elements. You are the only person who's verified any of her collections, so it's really up to you. If you think it'd be good to delete the non-genre stories I will; if not, not. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 00:31, 29 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: Go ahead and delete them. I haven't had the time to read the book, and don't know when I will, so if you've looked at the stories and view them as non-genre, go ahead and delete them. Your list above includes all of the short stories listed at [http://www.tartaruspress.com/b36.htm A Guide to Supernatural Fiction], hence seems likely to have all the important ones. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:55, 29 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: I was too speedy about removing things and kicked out three I should have kept. Can you look up what the page numbers of "Love" (n.b.: not "A Love Story"), "The Disinherited," and "The Storm" are? Sorry! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 02:23, 30 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Elfquest Gatherum, Volume One ==<br />
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Your verified {{P|638438|The Elfquest Gatherum, Volume One}} seems to be a duplicate of {{P|514404|this pub}} unless I'm missing something? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:18, 29 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: Mine is a first printing. The other one is a 3rd printing ("Number line ends in 3."). The wording of the other one's publication notes, where they include the data about the first printing, is misleading. He also only lists one of the two authors. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 10:49, 29 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Yup, missed that. Probably shouldn't be dated unless he has information not in the notes. I will ping him about that & the authors. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:24, 29 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The House on Mango Street ==<br />
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I'm curious--how come you added ''The House on Mango Street'' to the database? I don't recall it being fantastic (though admittedly it's a long time since I read it). I think there was a sort of dream-episode in it, perhaps. I haven't got the book here to refresh my memory. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 02:40, 3 November 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: If you Google the two phrases "House on Mango Street" and "Magical Realism" you will get a quarter-million hits. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:47, 3 November 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Mystic Magazine, January 1954 ==<br />
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I added some information to my entry of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?559967 the facsimile] of ''' Mystic Magazine, January 1954'''. You might want to check it out and see if there is anything you can use for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257343 original]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:49, 16 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Kalpa Imperial ==<br />
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I would like to convert {{T|157934|Kalpa Imperial}} from an omnibus to a collection. They are a series of independent stories of which quite a few have been published separately. It was also nominated for a Locus award as a collection. I supposed another option would be an omnibus of two collections, but as far as I know, LeGuin's translations have only been published as a single work or as individual stories so not sure we need the extra complexity. What are your thoughts? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:18, 20 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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: We currently have it as an omnibus of two Novels. Those two novels are translations of Spanish works that we have listed as Novels. Are you proposing to convert those works from Novels into Collections as well? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:22, 20 November 2017 (EST)<br />
::Based on [http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/gorodischer_angelica SFE3], yes. They describe both as "coll of linked stories". --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:51, 20 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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Changes have been made. Since the ibooks edition appears to be an exact re-print of the Small Beer Press edition, I imported the content into {{P|275905|your edition}} with the page numbers. But please double check that. I went with a collection vs. an omnibus of two collections as Le Guin's translation has only ever appeared as a single volume. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:03, 30 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Bug 688: Duplicate Finder bug on duplicated author ==<br />
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I have investigated this bug and here is what I discovered.<br />
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Normally a title record can't have multiple occurrences of the same author associated with it. It's a fundamental part of the software design. A title with 2+ "Raymond A. Palmers" immediately causes all kinds of problems, from multiple appearances of the same title on biblio pages to Python errors like the one that you ran into.<br />
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Most data entry forms, starting with Title Editor, prevent editors from entering the same author more than once. However, Make Variant has a bug which lets multiple occurrences of the same author slip through. That's how this particular problem apparently started. I have fixed the data and now I need to fix the software bug. Thanks for finding the critter! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:49, 26 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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: I kinda thought that was the root problem. And I agree with you that the best route to a solution is to not let that author duplication happen in the first place. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:14, 26 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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:: Done! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:59, 28 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:04, 28 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Re: Facts of the Future ==<br />
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I'm fixing Facts of the Future and it's companion Fables from the Future per [http://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rkihara#.22Facts_of_the_Future.22.2C_Amazing_Stories_1950-51 your note]. "Facts of the Future" and "Fables ..." are a mixture of factual and fictional articles, so the articles are labeled appropriately and a note has been left, e.g., [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58145 Fantastic Adventures, Mar 1950]--[[User:Rkihara|Rkihara]] 13:13, 29 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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: Thank you. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 11:37, 30 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== "Duplicate finder fooled by hyphens" ==<br />
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I believe I have identified the root cause of the problem which you reported in {{FR|1114}}. Here is what I wrote on SourceForge:<br />
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: Update by Ahasuerus: It turns out that the Similar Title mode of the Duplicate Finder already treats hyphens and m-dashes as the same character. The problem with Roger L. Rogers is that one title has spaces around the hyphen while the other title doesn't have spaces around the m-dash. We'll need to update the software to handle this case.<br />
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The "Similar Title mode" logic is kind of tricky because it tries to find only the most likely potential duplicates without going on a wild goose chase. It may take some juggling to get everything right. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:57, 30 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Peeps into Fairyland ==<br />
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Hi. You secondary verified the US/Dutton edition, or US/Dutton version of one co-published edition, P{{p|493427}}. Perhaps you created our record of the UK/Nister also, which has been identical except in the sequence of Contents.<br />
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I suppose you are the author of all those joint Notes. (If not, perhaps as a moderator you can identify who added the last one?)<br />
: The seventh and final bullet point needs a URL for '''"The Annual American Catalogue 1896", p. 158'''. <br />
: That point pertains to the US/Dutton only, so I removed it and the price $2.50 from our record of the UK/Nister, P{{p|493430}}.<br />
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Do you know whether the Catalog ID# is joint or pertains to one publisher only?<br />
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Beside the deletion noted above, in both records I revised the sixth bullet point only and sequenced the Contents. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:14, 2 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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: The notes all look like they are mine, but I don't remember cloning one edition to make the second. The London edition clearly states that it is "Nister 633", but I am unable to find any Dutton version that mentions that number, so I would assume it should only be listed as a catalog number for the British edition. I added a direct link to the "Annual American Catalog" page that reviews the book. I moved the OCLC reference to the "External IDs". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:32, 2 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:: I should have said "in the queue", where I see that my submissions remain as I write (and depart for this afternoon). Here is your [https://books.google.com/books?id=rUHQAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA158&dq=Peeps+Into+Fairyland#v=onepage&q=Peeps%20Into%20Fairyland&f=false link to Google books] which I will use to make repair if necessary (no later than Sunday, I expect). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:22, 2 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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::: I accepted your submissions, then deleted the catalog number from the Dutton edition, and added the Google Books link back in. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:09, 2 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Bold Strokes Books -- 2017-12-04 ==<br />
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I was working on sorting out Fixer's catch earlier today and noticed that he had 30 Bold Strokes Books ISBNs in his "priority 1" queue. Bold Strokes Books primarily publishes lesbian (and some other LGBTQ) fiction and you processed over 100 of their ISBNs [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chavey#Bold_Strokes_Books a couple of years ago]. Would you be interested in working on the new ISBNs? If so, I could make the data available as a Wiki sub-page -- see [[User:Fixer/Public/Cryptofiction Classics]] for an example. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:33, 4 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Joan D. Vinge ==<br />
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Would you happen to remember the nature and the source of the connection between {{A|Joan D. Vinge}} and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennison_Manufacturing_Company Dennison Manufacturing], which you mentioned on [[Bio:Joan D. Vinge]] back in 2012? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:51, 14 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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: She has often mentioned that she was descended from the Dennison's of that company. I cannot verify that via available online genealogical research. Many sources say she is the daughter of "Seymour W. Dennison" and "Carol Erwin", who were married in Cuyahoga, Ohio in 1941 (Joan was born in 1948). but I can't trace her ancestry back further than that. Dennison Manufacturing was founded in 1844, so the ancestral line would have to go back another 100 years. Joan's brain injury might prevent her from remembering the details, but I suppose I could ask her husband if you thought it important enough. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:38, 14 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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:: Ah, I see. In that case how about we say something like "Daughter of Carol Erwin and Seymour W. Dennison, who, according to a private communication from the author, was related to the founders of Dennison Manufacturing [Wikipedia URL]"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:41, 14 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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::: That sounds like an improvement. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:13, 15 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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:::: Updated, thanks! BTW, any thoughts re: my Bold Strokes question above? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:54, 15 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== ''The Dynamiter'' ==<br />
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Is there some reason you listed all the chapters separately in your verified edition of Robert Louis Stevenson's serial novel [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?175477 More New Arabian Nights: The Dynamiter]? We don't have any publications that include only one or a few chapters. (It looks like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48015 The Stories of Robert Louis Stevenson] includes the whole thing.) It would greatly tidy up Stevenson's bibliography if the whole work was listed as a novel and the individual chapters deleted. What do you think? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 03:30, 18 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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:Update: I was wrong--the Centenary Edition decided to print only "Zero's Tale of the Explosive Bomb." Still, they treat it as an excerpt. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 17:03, 18 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== In the Deep of Time ==<br />
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I have reverted your change ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3674210]) to {{T|97849|In the Deep of Time}} where you added "Thomas A. Edison" as co-author. This title is in three verified pubs where it is credited to Lathrop alone. Your changed impacted those pubs. Instead, I have varianted the record to a new one with the Edison credit (for the original 1986 ''Seattle Post-Intelligencer'' publication). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:58, 7 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Adventures of a Brownie ==<br />
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Hi. You verified a 1929 omnibus including this work as a novella P{{p|421529}}.<br />
# I submitted relocation of OCLC links (two bad URL) to the External IDs field, which does fix the links. <br />
# The cover image suggests title ''The Little Lame Prince and '''The''' Adventures of a Brownie''. Is "Adventures of a Brownie" from pp [147] to [151]?<br />
# We have "The Adventures of a Brownie" and two longer titles now in the database as a novel T{{t|2191681}}. No doubt you are right this is a novella. Is there any reason to doubt that the 102-page 1896 and 1929 eds. both have the complete original text? <font color=green>I suspect that WorldCat reports page-count 102 for the 1896 omnibus by mistake, taking pagination of the second half for the whole.</font><br />
# Notes for the earliest 1872 publication suggest that this work may be a collection. <font color=green>There is some sequence to the six chapters. Introduction to the Brownie, and Brownies, at the head of the first, and the narrator turns to these adventures at the bottom of the second page. Effectively good-bye to the Brownie in the Sixth and Last adventure. Thus it is a COLLECTION or NOVEL/la in the same sense as ''Mary Poppins'' books 1-3.</font> <br />
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The last two points are by the way. You may wish to reconcile the four title records as variants of a single collection, or a single novella; such a fix is not something I will undertake.<br />
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I think I will look for earlier Prittie-illustrated editions of the two works in your 1929 book. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:08, 28 January 2018 (EST)<br />
::<font color=green>I did find ''The Adventures of a Brownie'' (Winston, 1929), intro Merchant and illus Prittie and added it, in the queue as I depart, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3697929 Submission 3697929)]. Its page count is again 102. <br />
::The same signature by Edwin J. Prittie is visible in the cover image you provide for the 1929 omnibus: at lower left, "EJP" styled as ligature inside circle.</font><br />
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: 2.--perhaps a first-half title leaf as ''The Little Lame Prince and Adventures of a Brownie'' (c) 1928 --see [https://www.rubylane.com/item/398016-3974/1928-Little-Lame-Prince-Adventures-Brownie RubyLane > SSMoore bookseller images]-- and second-half title leaf as ''[The] Adventures of a Brownie''? <font color=green>Is there a second title page at p[147] or so?</font><br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:00, 28 January 2018 (EST)<br />
:: I have learned more about this work and some of its publications but I am nearly out of time. Above I insert green color text today. ... And now I must run. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:04, 30 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Serpiente del sueño ==<br />
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FYI, the capitalization and the publication series name in your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?606885 ''Serpiente del sueño''] have been regularized. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:44, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Princess on the Glass Hill ==<br />
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Would you mind comparing {{T|2256632|The Princess on the Glass Hill}} (from your verified {{P|634115|Best Book of Fairy Tales}}) to [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hn1uk9;view=1up;seq=360 this version]? If it matches, it is a reprint of {{T|2317856|this version}} and should be merged. If it is the same story, but not the same translation, it should be varianted to {{T|2318042|the original}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:05, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Three Messages and a Warning ==<br />
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I've gotten a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362881 Three Messages and a Warning] which you verified and am going to make some updates to individual stories in the contents, such as adding translators, original publication titles and dates. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:53, 5 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Night-Side of Nature ==<br />
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Hi-- You have your verified publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?406941 The Night Side of Nature] entered as a collection of short fiction, with the chapters as stories. I'm not sure this is the best way to handle it. The book is a single discourse on ghosts, spirits, and parapsychology, with many supposedly-true anecdotes included by way of example (but the anecdotes are much shorter than chapters). Several of the anecdotes have been reprinted in anthologies of fictional ghost stories: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1951345 "The Iron Cage"] (pp. 97-107); [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1330729 "The Haunted Mill"] (pp. 122-146); [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1337022 "The Blind Beggar of Odessa"] (pp. 158-164); [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1330749 "A Ghost in Prison"] (pp. 197-230); [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1146199 "Possessed by Demons"] (some part of chapter 6).<br />
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Perhaps it should be listed as a nonfiction book, with the notation that it's an exception to the rule that works of parapsychology don't belong in the DB because it's been highly influential on writers of ghost fiction.<br />
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At any rate, whatever you decide to do, you ought to change the date of the contents to 1848 since they also appeared in the 1st edition (you can see it at [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007687115 Hathi Trust]). --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 13:19, 13 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Victor Milán ==<br />
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FYI: After noticing your availability update at the top of this page, I went ahead and updated our Victor Milán record with the data from your pending submission. I also updated the Note field and hard-rejected the submission. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:07, 18 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== To the Adventurous ==<br />
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Hi. You verified one publication P{{p|608119}} of this 1922/1923 E. Nesbit collection, with 3 of 19 story contents--only those already in the database, the 1st and 18th-19th in sequence.<br />
# The Manchester Guardian 1923-02-27 p7 "Books Received" lists this one among three at 7/6 from Hutchinson and Co. (with In the Days of Poor Richard; The False Dawn)<br />
# Publisher panel advertisements found in <i>The Observer</i> weekly newspaper -03-04 among "Hutchinson's 7/6 net Novels" and -04-22 as "To the Adventurous (2nd Edn.) E. Nesbit" in another 7/6 panel advertisement<br />
1st and 2nd printings probably February and April 1923 (to be continued).<br />
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I will get back to this before you do and clean up. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:38, 22 February 2018 (EST)<br />
: Done. Move detail notes elsewhere and rewrite what remains. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:40, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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: I have added here and there to our Nesbit records, especially SHORTFICTION and COLLECTION title records.<br />
: The major addition is collection {{t|2332973|''Something Wrong'' (1893)}} including all of its 8 story contents (from a WorldCat list; no digital copy found online, nor scan of the contents page). SFE3 and EOF (see the Title record) and contemporary newspapers support including the contents here. In my opinion, they should remain in the db and be marked non-genre, if necessary, as I suppose we will do for the contents of recent Nesbit "horror" and "terror" collections if/when some stories are judged neither fantastic nor supernatural. <br />
: The 5 story Title records 2332975, 2332976, 2332977, 2332978, 2332979 are precise title matches for the 12th and 14th-17th stories in ''To the Adventurous''. <br />
: (6 among the 2nd-11th ''Adventurous'' stories are listed in The FictionMags Index and one can read some of those online.) (We are missing most contents of 1910 collection ''Fear''.) --Pwendt 18:10 and [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:40, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436242 Das Geschlecht der Magier] ==<br />
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Hello, Darrah! I think I corrected the title for this publication (I also added some notes). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:34, 13 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Best of Sci-Fi (Three) ==<br />
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{{P|255743|The Best of Sci-Fi (Three)}}; In my copy the “Contents” page lists the author of “The Martian Crown Jewels” as ‘<i>Paul Anderson</i>. At the start of the story it lists the author’s name (correctly) as <i>Poul Anderson</i>. Should I add a Note listing the misprint? --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 07:11, 22 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Sisters of Tomorrow ==<br />
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I am in the process of adding the complete contents of the trade paperback [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?570286 Sisters of Tomorrow]. When I'm done you can check it out and note any mistakes that I have made. I'm doing it in two parts. Yes, I have no life. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:26, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Done. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:05, 27 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Francis J. Olcott ==<br />
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In {{P|634115|Best Book of Fairy Tales}}, the story on page 163 is credited to {{A|Francis J. Olcott}}. Her name is actually {{A|Frances J. Olcott}} (with an "e"). Would you mind checking whether that is a database typo or it is actually that way in the pub? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:36, 7 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Seconded. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 18 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The War of Dreams ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49546 this] is Peter Goodfellow, see [http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/69-coverart his site]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 16:17, 13 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Test of the Twins ==<br />
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{{P|11168|Test of the Twins}}; A Note states “Copyright page states that the Library of Congress Catalog Card Number is 86-90222. This is the LoC Classification and not the LoC Control Number” I believe that the reference in the copyright page is an LCCN – albeit one which does not exist in the catalog and that the Note should state “Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 86-90222 on copyright page; a record with this reference does not exist”. The LC Classification is actually “CPB Box no. 582 vol. 22” which is a completely different reference. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 08:57, 22 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Did You Say Chicks?(!) ==<br />
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You verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10111 this] copy of the book with the trailing question mark, but not the exclamation mark on my copy of the novel. This seems to be true for the cover and title page and would affect the entries for the cover art, introduction and About the Authors. I noticed that the entry for "Yes, We Did Say Chicks!" is listed that way in the table of contents, but the actual story is titled "Epilogue"/"Yes! We Did Say Chicks!". Can you check your copy please and thank you. I have left a copy of this post with the other verifiers. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:17, 22 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Dodd, Mead and John Lane ==<br />
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Hi. [numbering inserted as afterthought]<br><br />
1. For your verified record of ''Ghost Cat'' (1984) P{{p|652842}}, I submitted a revision with this Note to Moderator:<br />
: (hold for User:Chavey?)<br />
: eliminate another singleton publisher from the database<br />
Evidently we use publisher name simply "Dodd, Mead" with comma, without "& Company" (yours), "and Co.", and so on.<br />
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2. Concerning publisher [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28807 John Lane, The Bodley Head / Dodd Mead and Company] (6 records, five PV including your record P{{p|615916}}), I believe that is mistake for "John Lane, The Bodley Head; Dodd, Mead" --or something else to represent a joint arrangement, as we use the spaced slash for imprint:publisher relationship.<br />
: P.S. As four of our 6 publication records are PV permanent by Rtrace, I posted primarily there, [[User talk:Rtrace#John Lane, The Bodley Head / Dodd Mead and Company]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:38, 25 April 2018 (EDT) <br />
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3. For the one ISFDB publication record of John Lane participation in the Everyman's Library series P{{p|615908}} it is evident that you cite the wrong WorldCat record. Perhaps you located one that mistakenly reported a cheaper "everyman's edition" from Lane as series Everyman's Library. <br />
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--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:22, 25 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:I approved the submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?652842 this] (but please change back if it was presumptuous). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:20, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: On point 1, the database now uses "Dodd, Mead & Co." consistently.<br />
:: On point 3, the cited WorldCat record doesn't mention Everyman's Library, and John Lane is not elsewhere reported as a publisher of that series. It is evident that you cite the wrong WorldCat record because that record [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/468796190 OCLC: 468796190] reports "1 online resource ([4], vii-xiv, 275, [2] pages) illustrations, frontispiece, plates". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:47, 1 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Typo [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?477885 Herrin der Stürme] ==<br />
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Hello, I've corrected two typos in your notes [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?477885 Herrin der Stürme].--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:21, 2 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== In the Red Lord's Reach ==<br />
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I've credited the artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18119 this] pub as Richard Hescox - his signature is actually pretty obvious - bottom of the castle wall. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 18:26, 5 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== A diez mil años luz ==<br />
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I have changed the capitalization of the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?403544 A diez mil años luz] to sentence-case because that's the standard for Spanish titles in the database. Also I added translator info to all the records. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 21:34, 14 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mystery of Ireta ==<br />
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Hi. Last year you verified this Jan 2004 mass market paperback, P{{p|282639}}. Does the now-linked [May and December] Amazon image match your book? My public library copy --with price, date, and numberline that match your report-- shows "TWO ENCHANTING NOVELS FOR THE PRICE OF ONE" as front cover top banner, white on sky blue, with no promotion of the New York Times Bestselling Author. That is, it matches the linked image except for the top banner. <br />
: I reword that for clarity. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:56, 1 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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(I may owe followup somewhere above. Unfortunately my sessions here are radically curtailed this spring.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:12, 16 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover for The Man in the Moone ==<br />
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I was wondering if you recall the source of the image that you uploaded for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?299370 this publication]. I suspect it may be a cover from a later edition. The main reason for my suspicion is that both Bleiler and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_Moone Wikipedia] note that this book was originally published anonymously. We originally had it credited, which I've corrected. Given that the cover scan has the author's name, Francis Godwin, that seems inconsistent with the descriptions that it was published anonymously. If you agree that the image belongs to another edition, I'd also like to ask if that scan was the source for the price in the publication record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:19, 17 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Human? ==<br />
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The signature on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17513 this] cover is not R. de Sant, but R. DeSoto, hence Rafael DeSoto. See [https://www.flickr.com/photos/56781833@N06/6942017316/ flickr] for a clear cover scan. See also [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251757 The Haploids] for another Lion Books cover by DeSoto. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 15:52, 10 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The White Rose and the Black ==<br />
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Momentarily I submit IDs LCCN [https://lccn.loc.gov/81126770 81126770] and OCLC [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9621591 9621591] for this 1st ed. P{{p|393298}}. They provide no new data except size, and a summary that I will add to the novel record. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:47, 27 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes updated for {{P|496387|De linkerhand van het duister}} ==<br />
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I have added notes on printing history and cover artist, and added info on ONEINDIG MOMENT series of which this book is the seventh in series. Let me know if you have issues with the changes. Regards. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:46, 3 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Planned Project Scope Expansion ==<br />
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(I am leaving this note on the Talk pages of some of the more active editors to make sure that we are not missing anything. If you have been following [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this Rules and Standards discussion] and agree with the proposal, please ignore this note.)<br />
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As per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this discussion], [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] is about to be expanded to include:<br />
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* Speculative ''fiction'' webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues<br />
* Special speculative ''fiction'' issues of non-genre webzines<br />
* One time speculative ''fiction'' anthologies published on the Web<br />
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If you believe that this scope expansion may cause unforeseen and/or undesirable consequences, please share your thoughts on the Rules and Standards page. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:22, 4 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Works of Jules Verne (15 volumes) ==<br />
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You had done an OCLC verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?493928 this] set of publications. I have access to a copy (local university library) and will be updating this entry. I expect however, that I will be doing it piecemeal. I plan to update the overall entry (and am assuming the 15 volumes remain as a single entry) with essays, notes, pages etc. first. Then as I identify the various translations for each of the novels I will come back and update the content reference to the correct translation's title. I will also update the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495888 US edition] as the existing note does say that some information is from the British edition. Please let me know if you would like any further updates as this progresses. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:52, 13 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Gifts ==<br />
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{{p|131201|Gifts}}<br />
* Author name changed from Ursula K. Le Guin to Ursula Le Guin and also broke this out as a variant title.<br />
* Cover image scanned/uploaded<br />
* Notes expanded and as part of this I removed your note "The cover image here doesn't show an additional image, of overlapping leaves, that can be seen only from certain angles." FWIW, Amazon's cover also seemed to have gray type and borders while the hc used embossed silver.<br />
--[[User talk:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 03:40, 11 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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Please also check the tp edition of {{p|310671|Gifts}} where you list the author as Ursula K. Le Guin. The front cover shows Ursula Le Guin. --[[User talk:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 17:44, 16 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Collection credited to Hans Christian Andersen and Mrs. H. B. Paull ==<br />
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Hi-- could you clarify something about ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401455 Hans Andersen's Fairy Tales: A New Translation]''? You have the author of collection as "Hans Christian Andersen and Mrs. H. B. Paull" but the stories credited only to Andersen. What is the reason for putting the translator's name as an author of the collection--I don't think that is usual for other translated collections. (And even though there is a note on the title page of the book saying that Paull "specially adapted" the stories, I have compared them to other translations and I don't think they are different enough from the original to merit being credited as "Andersen + Paull" like we do for abridgements and retellings). Thanks for the clarification --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha (cazadora de tildes)]] 14:42, 16 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Göttliche Komödie ==<br />
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I guess the note about the disagreement of two sources on the pagination of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?599770 this pub] was edited by You. The correct source is [http://d-nb.info/575461144 DNB 575461144] not [http://d-nb.info/572666314 DNB 572666314]. OCLC depends on them, so [http://www.worldcat.org/title/gottliche-komodie/oclc/432658391 432658391] seems wrong, but [http://www.worldcat.org/title/gottliche-komodie/oclc/215919253 215919253] is right. "Jub.-ausg. zur 600. Wiederkehr seines Todestages" appears on cover. I suppose You should know and modify. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 15:57, 16 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Time Garden ==<br />
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Hi. You both PV and OCLC verified our record of the Harcourt, Brace 1st ed. P{{p|394924}} (revised). The WorldCat record you cited [http://www.worldcat.org/title/time-garden/oclc/35301743 OCLC: 35301743] actually reports both HBJ, the successor publisher, and Braille book. (It reports the usual page-count and the Bodecker illustrations too, so I don't know what to make of the "Braille book".)<br />
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# Yesterday, Friday, I imported the Bodecker INTERIORART.<br />
# Also I replaced the WorldCat External ID with one that reports a stated 1st ed. from Harcourt, Brace. (It also provides thumbnail front cover image and two ISBN for some later edition.) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4048690 Approved submission]<br />
# As my library announced early closing for a special event, I submitted that hastily with Note "(in progress)".<br />
In fact I had located coverage in 1958 newspapers as time expired, to which I now Saturday return. So I submit Date 1958-04-09 and Price $3.00 with the new bullet point,<br />
: Publication date and price from listing in "Books Received" <i>Hartford Courant</i> 1958-03-20 p8D, as "$3; (April 9)". [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4050495 Pending submission]<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:46, 17 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?406471 Kinder- und Hausmärchen (Vol. 2)] ==<br />
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Hello Darrah, I added the title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1537203 Das Eselein] to the collection. [[User:Henna|Henna]] 10:32, 26 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Mistress of Dragons ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you come over to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MartyD#Weird_LCCN Marty's page] for a quick discussion regarding the LCCN number of this book? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:44, 26 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Witch and the Priest ==<br />
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Hi. For the 1st US ed. whose record you verified P{{p|552095}}, I submit External ID [http://catalog.loc.gov/71126059 LCCN: 71-126059] and the related Note. <br />
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At the same time, I submit the longer title Note. If you know the novel, please help explain whether [http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=lewis_hilda John Clute's label Supernatural Fiction] is plausible. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:05, 28 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Gulliver's Travels, 1720s publications (6) ==<br />
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Hi. These notes concern our six earliest publication records for T{{t|1719519}}, and thus also for the canonical title ''Gulliver's Travels''. First, I wonder whether the records #1-3 contain clerical errors, highlighted in this listing ('''bold''').<br />
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# viii+'''310'''+164+155+199 -- • Published in 4 volumes; title page of vol. 1 shown here.<br />
# viii+'''310'''+164+155+199 -- • Published in 4 parts, but in 2 volumes; title page of vol. 1 shown here.<br />
# viii+310+353 -- • Published in '''4 volumes'''; title page of vol. 1 shown here.<br />
# Pages: empty (1726-12-02, John Hyde)<br />
# viii+159+175 -- (Note, the cited WorldCat record [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/186519540 OCLC: 186519540] heading also contains "Guliver [sic]".)<br />
# xii+148+164+155+199 --(Notes imply 2 volumes. That is, parts 1-2 paginated xii+148+164 and parts 3-4 paginated 155+199?)<br />
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The latter, record #6, suggests to me that "310" in records #1-2 should be "148".<br />
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Record #3 should note "2 volumes", if I understand correctly.<br />
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Concerning #5. May the so-called faithful abridgment be a truncation primarily? That is, the first two voyages Lilliput and Brobdingnag alone; a publication of what is sometimes called ''Gulliver's Travels Into Lilliput and Brobdingnag'' and the like . The same WorldCat record quotes, "Brobdingnag' has a separate titlepage: 'Travels into several remote nations . Part II. A voyage to Brobdingnag." (quoting the British Library?^)<br />
<br>(^Perhaps this quotes catalogue data for the online resource in "Eighteenth century collections online". But ours is a record of the 1727 print publication that underlies the online resource, I understand.)<br />
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* For the earliest-published of our variant titles, T{{t|2088244}} (1735), I revised and extended the title Note, based on your notes [to be extended further at least re the known 1744 reprint]. Perhaps we should refer to some explanation of the "massive changes".<br />
* Yesterday I posted a new inquiry at [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Lemuel Gulliver and his famous Travels]], which must interest you.<br />
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(perhaps to be improved before your return) --Pwendt 19:00 --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:46, 30 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Droga do Science Fiction 4: Od Dzisiaj do Wiecznosc ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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As you had verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?428058 this one] and you had added a note that the translators are not listed here, I suspect that they may be in the book. Any chance to pull it out and update the stories (or scan/write the translators and I can do it instead)? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:32, 9 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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: Any chance for an update? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:42, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Les Indes noires'' image ==<br />
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You loaded an [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:LSNDSNRSKN1877.jpg image] of a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567582 publication] of the Jules Verne book "Les Indes noires". The notes say this is for the first edition (1877-04), but your image is of the first illustrated edition (1877-09). The earlier one is the in-18 format (say pocketbook size) and had no illustrations. The latter is the in-8 format (typical hc or the day) and had illustrations from the (even earlier) serialization. I believe this would account for the OCLC confusion on the number of pages. I'm trying to complete/clean up the Jules Verne first editions and just got this far. I just wanted to check what you know before trying to re-organize this entry. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:45, 10 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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== '''Web of Darkness''': Marion Zimmer Bradley's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?2924 Atlantean] cycle / novel ==<br />
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Hi, Darrah, the idiosyncratic indexing of the German omnibus put me on the course of some research:<br />
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1) For the first 'OMNIBUS' edition, Locus observed that "This is the first hardcover edition as well as the first one-volume edition. The book was written as such but split in the U.S. for various profitable reasons.", so it seems to have been intended by MZB as one NOVEL, not two. (Also the five chapters are numbered 1-5 / I-V for the OMNIBUSes).<br />
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2) The OMNIBUSes don't seem to have the two separate novel titles listed, as can be seen [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?654141 here], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444231 here], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?627219 here] (a French edition), and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?662383 here] (a German edition). <br />
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So, it seems that what we have as an OMNIBUS is really a NOVEL (that only was split for publication into two books). I have put that also at the Community Portal, but as to your liking, please leave your thoughts there or here. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:04, 17 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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:I am willing to take action after this weekend. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:47, 2 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Erroneous secondary verifications (not by you, but affecting a PVed pub. of yours) ==<br />
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Hi, Darrah, I intend to delete your primary verified publication of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?960600 this title], because of erroneous secondary verifications that were added by [[User:Michael Flores1]], as today last seen here in August of 2018. Take a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Erroneous_secondary_verifications this discussion item] for the background. I expect you taking a look here this weekend, and would like to take action on Monday: the plan is to clone the publication (thus to get rid of the erroneous verifications), so you would be able to PV it anew. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:46, 2 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Magic in Ithkar 2 ==<br />
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[http://andre-norton-books.com/archive/Titles_M/Magic_in_Ithkar_2/Magic_in_Ithkar_2_1988_54749-7.jpg Cover image]<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?182237 cover art is by M. Sephie [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 18:39, 5 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Missed submission ==<br />
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It looks like one of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4185955 your submissions] from February 3 got missed and never approved. Just pinging you to make sure you know. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:26, 6 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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: It's been 8 weeks now, so I have rejected the submission. I did't want to approve it in case you planned to further massage the entered data. Hopefully you are doing OK and will be back soon :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:35, 29 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Henry St. Clair's Evening Tales for the Winter ==<br />
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Hi Darrah -<br />
I am working on Henry St. Clair's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1803022 Tales of Terror, or the Mysteries of Magic: A Selection of Wonderful and Supernatural Stories]'' which is the first 2/3 of your verified publication ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?494044 Evening Tales for the Winter Being a Selection of Wonderful & Supernatural Stories]''. We had the earlier title as a collection of works by St. Clair. However, the review in Bleiler's ''Guide to Supernatural Fiction'' makes is fairly clear that St. Clair was not the author of the stories, but instead the Editor. Bleiler goes on to identify the author of several of the stories, though they appear to be uncredited. Consequently, I'm in the process of converting the earlier title from a collection to an anthology. Since your copy is essentially an expansion, it should probably be converted similarly. Since you've got a note that you'll be unavailable until summer, I'm going to proceed to convert your title as well. If upon your return, you'd like to revisit this conversion, please let me know. Unfortunately, Bleiler doesn't cover the stories unique to Evening Tales, but I'll try to identify the actual authors. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:51, 23 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== '''Stone of Blood''' ==<br />
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I added the catalog number and the cover artist to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254536 Stone of Blood] from the philsp.com [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/Fantasy%20Gothics_Author.pdf Fantasy Gothics] page. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:01, 15 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Son of the Morning and Other Stories, by Phyllis Gotlieb ==<br />
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You primary-verified this publication http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31175 -- a statement that The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction erroneously titled it "Song of the Morning" was no longer true; it was corrected on the SFE3 site. I deleted the statement of error. [[User:Hifrommike65|Hifrommike65]] 18:52, 9 June 2019 (CST)<br />
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== Best Book of Fairy Tales ==<br />
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Hi. You verified our only publication record P{{p|634115}} as a COLLECTION by Pauline Rush Evans. The title type should be ANTHOLOGY. Momentarily I submit a TitleUpdate with note that I have notified you.<br />
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Does the book give year 1871, as well as title and author, for this story? <br />
* 107 • The Little Darner • (1871) • short story by Juliana Horatia Ewing<br />
Does it give any other information? <s>Among 10 Ewing short fiction now in the database this one remains without a title note (nor an early publication record).</s> It is the only one not listed by our title in the [http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17085/17085-h/17085-h.htm#LIST_OF_WORKS List of Mrs. Ewing's Works] by her sister (viewed as Gutenberg #17085). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:31, 1 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
: "The Little Darner" was published in Aunt Judy's, August 1871, [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/nyp.33433082288378?urlappend=%3Bseq=646 pp. 631-35] as "The Six Little Girls and the Five Little Pigs".<br />
: Resolved. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:33, 15 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== 100 Greatest Books of All Time ==<br />
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I don't know this Franklin Library series except from our publication records. You have added/verified two volumes from WorldCat records, ''Gulliver's Travels'' and ''The Odyssey''. Here are descriptions from the cited WorldCat records:<br />
* Gulliver's Travels P{{p|530473}} -- 326 pages : illustrations ; 23 cm & notes (22 pages : illustrations ; 18 cm)<br />
* The Odyssey P{{p|530468}} -- 502 pages, 2 unnumbered leaves of plates : map ; 23 cm + notes booklet<br />
Considering both two descriptions I surmise that a notes booklet of smaller size is contained in, but not bound in, each publication. For instance, slipped in a back inside pocket, as a large folded map or a CD-ROM are sometimes contained in our lifetimes. That is, I interpret "(22 pages : illustrations ; 18 cm)" as a description of the Gulliver notes booklet. Whereas you note "22 pages of illustrations; may not be part of the page count reported above."<br />
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We have one other publication record in the series, ''Tales from the Arabian Nights'' P{{p|530548}}, probably also your work although not WorldCat-verified. Our WorldCat record does not suggest notes, in a booklet or otherwise ("769 pages, [29] leaves of color plates : illustrations ; 23 cm"). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:10, 20 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== (The) Further Adventures of Nils ==<br />
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Hi, You verified our record of the Dent Children's Classic in its 1957 printing P{{p|371530}} --and probably entered our record of the 1953 1st printing P{{p|374476}}, whose one-line Notes field ends "Data from the 1957 reprint of this edition."<br />
# Does this edition use the definite article? Contrast the [http://archive.org/details/furtheradventur00lagegoog/page/n8 1915 title page (c)1911] as "Further Adventures of Nils" (viewed at Internet Archive). Yet one 2000/2015 omnibus uses "The Wonderful" and "The Further" --relying on the front cover and Contents list ([http://www.amazon.com/Wonderful-Adventures-Nils-Further-Holgersson/dp/1572160365 Amazon US]).<br />
(I suppose you are mainly inactive through the summer. I may extend this beyond item 1.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:43, 18 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== {{P|339416|The Handmaid's Tale}} ==<br />
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Hello Darrah, in the German edition Noma Bar is credited as cover artist. Please take a look. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 16:19, 6 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Etchings & Odysseys #7 ==<br />
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A quick FYI -- [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4389190 this was a duplicate submission], presumably created by the system behind the scenes. I have changed its status to "Rejected" to clear the queue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:02, 7 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Works of Jules Verne ==<br />
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I've run across a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?493928 Works of Jules Verne] and I'd like to verify this pub (transient). However, I find the 15 volumes-in-one awkward. What do you think about splitting it (and the associated 10 volume [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495888 National Alumni]) into separate volumes? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:36, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Nerilka's Story ==<br />
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When you have a moment, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4464279 this outstanding submission] which was created on 2019-11-09? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:28, 28 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Story Behind the "Foundation" ==<br />
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Hi Darrah -<br />
I recently discovered that the copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?796153 this essay] appearing my copy of 7th Del Rey printing of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17332 Foundation]'' was incorrectly titled in the database and was missing the quotation marks around the word "Foundation". Consequently, I created [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2658259 this title]. Expecting that Del Rey didn't create new plates, I have flipped the remaining unverified printings to the version with the quotes. Could you double check your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?584295 verified 4th printing] and swap out the version of the essay. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:23, 15 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== De Wereldbrekers ==<br />
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Cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?425714 this] is currently attributed to Chris Moore. Based on style, the cover artist should be Eddie Jones. This is corroborated by [https://www.sfandfantasy.co.uk/php/details2.php?id=1360] and by [https://thetrove.net/Magazines/White%20Dwarf/ White Dwarf #10] (with the same cover art) which states "Cover illustration by: Eddie Jones" on page 5. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 08:01, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
: It gets supported [https://www.sfandfantasy.co.uk/php/details2.php?id=1625 here] too.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 09:41, 6 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:: Credit adapted and explained in the notes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:27, 7 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Nerilka's Story ==<br />
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Happy New Year! Hope you are doing OK up there in the apparently not-so-frozen North :)<br />
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It's been almost two months since you created [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4464279 this "Nerilka's Story" submission], so I have changed its state to "Rejected" for now. When you come back, could you please review it to see if the submitted Note change needs to be applied to the record? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:39, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Born to Exile ==<br />
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The initials RLC on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5311 this] (at the bottom, mirror-reversed) are those of Richard Courtney, see for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?153621 Count Brass]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 14:51, 31 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Night-Side of Nature; or, Ghosts and Ghost-Seers ==<br />
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Hi, You verified our record of the 1st US ed. P{{p|406941}}. After my recent work on the record of its transcript as a Gutenberg ebook, other editors have (by title merge) revised several contents listings to match the title page except for its final dot --that is, {hyphen semicolon comma hyphen} as in the heading above.<br><br />
Moments ago I revised the publication record itself to fix the title and also to add notice of the Gutenberg ebook with link to our publication record. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:04, 18 February 2020 (EST)<br />
: Moments ago I submitted three SHORTFICTION title merge, which complete the alignment of our publication record with the chapter headings, I believe. There were 5 or 6 shortfiction discrepancies, but other merges were executed by other editors during the last few days. <br />
: The only discussion known to me is on my talk page [[User talk:Pwendt#The Night Side of Nature; or, Ghosts and Ghost Seers]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:10, 19 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== anthology within a fanzine? ==<br />
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Hi, your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?502805 The Literary Magazine of Fantasy and Terror, Volume 2-A, 1975] contains [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1826879 Lays Without Tunes and Bardic Runes], which is given as ANTHOLOGY and so creates a maintenance report.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 05:57, 11 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: According to [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BrowseListingsResults?n=100200003&sgnd=on&vci=59178730 this AbeBooks listing], "A special section of verse is a semi-distinct anthology titled ''Lays Without Tunes and Bardic Runes'' including Frank Belknap Long, Richard Tierney, Walter Shedlovsky and others." It looks like what they (and the publication?) call an "anthology" is really just a distinct section of this fanzine issue. If so, then I doubt we want to create a separate ANTHOLOGY title record for this grouping of poems. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:08, 11 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: We'd better enter the distinct poems instead.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 07:04, 12 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::: As I already see poems of Frank Belknap Long, Richard Tierney, Walter Shedlovsky just after ''Lays Without Tunes and Bardic Runes'', I'll change the type to 'ESSAY' instead of 'ANTHOLOGY'. Feel free to change it into SHORT FICTION or POEM if that fits better.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 09:09, 16 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Little Red Riding Hood ==<br />
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It's been over two months since you created [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4554126 this "Little Red Riding Hood" submission], so I have changed its state to "Rejected" for now. When you come back, could you please review it to see if the submitted Note change needs to be applied to the record? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:39, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Change the Sky ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6584 this] is Bruce Emmett, see [http://bruceemmett.blogspot.com the artist's blog] and [https://fineart.ha.com/itm/bruce-emmett-american-20th-century-change-the-sky-mixed-media-on-board-19-3-4-x-14-inches-50/p/8000-24003.s ha.com]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 16:19, 18 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Taurus Four ==<br />
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Hi, I've found Robert Foster's signature on the cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294750 this], to be precise, to the left of the yellow flower/lamp, on [http://theporporbooksblog.blogspot.com/2018/09/book-review-taurus-four.html this] cover scan. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 15:43, 12 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Joy in Our Cause ==<br />
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I submitted OCLC external ID to this record, which you primary verified: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19129 [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 21:47, 12 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Literary Magazine of Fantasy and Terror 2A ==<br />
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I just entered the first six issues of this fanzine, four published in 1973 and two in 1974. I'm curious about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?502805 Issue 2A] that you verified. I don't know if additional issues were published in 1974 or 1975; you note that your issue was the final one. Do you have any idea if there are additional issues? Is your issue edited by Amos Salmonson or Jessica Amanda Salmonson? All of mine were edited only by Amos Salmonson; Karr contributed to issue #6, but was not credited as being on the staff. Just curious. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 13:17, 31 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Witchstone ==<br />
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I have a question about Your pv pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268583 here]. There is no ISBN, but LCCN, OCLC and goodreads list 0515032891. Isn't that in book? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 10:18, 1 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Inspired Novels, Spring 1965 ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you look at the publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?781948 your verified]? The rest of Palmer's output is under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?19321 Palmer Publications, Inc.]. Is this "Palmer Publications" a new publisher or should we reunite them all? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:46, 7 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Stardance publication month ==<br />
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Hi. I've verified http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?186769 and will be changing publication month from February to March. Two sources: April 1979 Locus (per your pub note), and "0379" on jacket back flap. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:21, 25 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Pending submission from July 15 ==<br />
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Just pinging you to make sure you're aware of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4697304 this submission] that's be awaiting approval since July 15. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:38, 25 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like it was an accidental duplicate submission, perhaps created by the Web server. I have moved it to the "Rejected" state for now. It can be found [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4697304 here] in case you want to "unreject" it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:33, 9 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Let the Fire Fall (Kate Wilhelm) publication date ==<br />
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re: your verified http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?171011, my copy has printing gutter code "K 3" on page 228 (mid-January 1969), so it was published 6 weeks later in February. I PV'd the record, made that change, and added pub notes. Let me know if any concerns or changes. Regards. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:53, 7 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Clewiston Test ==<br />
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FYI I verified and submitted pub notes for your verified http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?171161. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:25, 8 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Yaril's Children ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|55659|Yaril's Children}} with some notes. [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 21:47, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover of The Curse of Chalion ==<br />
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Hi Darrah - <br />
I'm going to upload a new cover scan for our mutually verified printing of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?348594 The Curse of Chalion]''. The current [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THCRSFCHLN0000.jpg scan] used in the 5th printing record was uploaded by [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] for the 2nd printing and has a blue bar on the right hand side. My copy of the 5th does not have such a bar and I'm assuming that yours doesn't either. Please take a look at your copy when you get a chance and let me know if there is any problem with the new scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:01, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Sword & Mythos ==<br />
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Hello, you've PV'd {{p|511930|Sword & Mythos}}. Could you check if the title {{t|1848580|Jon Carver of Barzoon, You Misunderstood}} could be a POEM instead of a SHORTSTORY? (there are two other records with the same title, one POEM, one SHORTSTORY). Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:42, 26 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A Thread of Grace cover artist ==<br />
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Hello. I have updated the cover artist credit for {{p|80425|A Thread of Grace}} from Monda (who's the designer) to Mantegna (as per your notes). Let me know if you would disagree. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:16, 19 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 9 ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23789 this] is Mike Little. Credired on p.165 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204909 this] publication. Almost certainly the same artists responsible for the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23793 this] as well. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:20, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== A Wind in the Door ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338744 Added a bit to the pub notes. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 23:55, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
And a contents listing for the genealogy diagram. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 00:19, 9 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Twisted Title Change ==<br />
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Hell-o. I see here, [https://picclick.co.uk/Twisted-6-%E2%80%93-US-horror-fantasy-magazine-fanzine-402267541643.html], that a story title may be entered incorrectly on ISFDB. "Pleoponnesian" should be "Peloponnesian". Also, you spelled "Buburuz" as "Buboroz" in your notes, so maybe that should be corrected in case anyone's searching for her name. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:39, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: You did not provide me with a link to the isfdb record that you feel needs to be corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:33, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386128. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:20, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghost Book ==<br />
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I changed first story's author from John Elliott to John Elliot based on Fantlab's contents photo of the hardcover edition of The Sixth Ghost Book which you PV'd, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278262]. He also wrote stories for 7th and 8th Ghost Books. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:34, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== First Battle / Michaels ==<br />
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While PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13770] I changed the printing statement to indicate the source of its 'first printing' info. Originally noted as from a number line. Can you confirm? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:07, 2 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Clan of the Cave Bear ==<br />
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Are you verifying the first printing of {{p|37192|The Clan of the Cave Bear}}? Cant tell by your statement in the notes regarding date. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:27, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Notes clarified to the effect that this is a first printing. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:31, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Publisher New Infinities ==<br />
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Hi Darrah<br />
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Another user left a [[User talk:Rtrace#Publisher name|note]] on my talk page questioning the difference between the publishers [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?62967 New Infinities Productions / Ace] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?38481 New Infinities / Ace]. I double checked my book and the publisher is credited as "New Infinity Productions, Inc." throughout the book, including the cover and spine logo. You are one of the only two active verifiers who has [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26230 a book] by the publisher with the shorter name. While I don't think we need to include "Inc.", I do think the longer name is more appropriate. Do you have any objections if I merge these two publishers taking the longer name? I'm checking with the other active verifier as well. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:31, 23 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I have no objection to the change. I don't like to include "Inc." in publishers names (to me it's like listing "Mr. Arthur C. Clarke"), but I seem to be out of step with the rest of isfdb on this. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:18, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Polgara The Sorceress ==<br />
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In one of your old verifications, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196061 Polgara The Sorceress] you are crediting "Shelley Shapiro" as one of the artist of the part opener maps. Is her name really spelled incorrectly in your copy? I have a first printing and her name is spelled correctly "Shelly Shapiro" in mine. If it was a mistake, I will merge the variant to correct. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:45, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Girl from Mars ==<br />
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Hi Darrah -<br />
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When you get a chance could you check the author credit for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40610 The Girl from Mars]''. We have Breuer's credit as "Miles J. Breuer, M.D." whereas the cover credit has it as "Dr. Miles J. Breuer". The linked Worldcat record as well as Reginald both have the latter credit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:13, 8 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
: I'm not sure where that chapbook is now -- it's not part of my main collection. (Three other books from that series are in my collection, and "Girl from Mars" was picked up as a lot with one of them.) Feel free to change the author if you wish; it wasn't entered that way by me. So far as I remember, I just left the author as the late Bill Longley entered it. I'll leave this message here, and if I find that chapbook again I'll verify that the inside lists him the same way the cover does. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:56, 24 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Sancgreal ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?860927 This] either needs a fiction piece or needs to be converted to nonfiction. From our own help page:<br />
* "CHAPBOOK. This publication type is a unique ISFDB designation for a separate publication of a single work of SHORTFICTION (q.v.), a single POEM or a single SERIAL installment of a longer work. In addition to the single SHORTFICTION, POEM or SERIAL content record, such publications may also contain one or more ESSAY and INTERIORART content records. This type covers all bindings and formats, including ebooks and audiobooks of less-than-novel length fiction."<br />
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Thanks. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:36, 5 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:27, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Vivisections ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258806; you entered this book back in 2011, and nearly 10 years later I made a few edits. The other day I found that the editor, William P. Simmons, had a Twitter account so I asked if he could supply the page #'s since that's the only thing missing from the record. He responded almost immediately to say he would get back to me and today he did, asking for my e-mail address so he could send me the info. I have a feeling this was an unreleased book because the publisher went out of business around the same time, but copies were sent to reviewers because you can find reviews online. I realized I probably should have asked you first: did you ever/do you still own a copy, or did you enter the info from online sites? --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:10, 14 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: I did not enter the book, I only added the cover image from the Amazon record at https://www.amazon.com/Vivisections-William-P-Simmons/dp/9185075000/. That record includes a page count of 256 pp, but Amazon often includes some blank pages that Simmons might not be including in his page count. I do not own a copy; I have never seen the book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:42, 2 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: OK. He finally sent me a photo of the contents page so at least all stories now have page #'s. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:33, 2 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Book of Fairy Poetry ==<br />
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As you are the sole PV of the above anthology, I'm seeking your agreement to change the dates for some of the content titles. I have entered an anthology from a slightly earlier date, 1909, which contains some of the same works. For example, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1669240 The Eighth Nimphall] which you properly state is from <i>The Muses Elizium</i> (1630). However you have dated it 1630. Shouldn't it be dated 1920? I would like to change it to 1920 and make it a variant of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2949315 The Fairy Wedding] which is the title Alfred Noyes used for the same work in 1909. Or, I can change the date to 1909 and variant Noyes title to 'The Eight Nimphall'. Thoughts? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:12, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: If you have found earlier appearances of stories from that anthology, then feel free to correct the dates for those titles. But you should NOT change the date of the poem <i>The Eighth Nimphall</i> to a later date than listed there. "The Muses Elizium" was, essentially, a collection of 13 poems, one of which is "The Eight Nimphall", now spelled "Eighth" (due to a shift in the English language). That poem was published in 1630, and should remain with that date. If you wish, you could create a separate record for "The Eight Nimphall" and variant the poem in "Book of Fairy Poetry" to it, but certainly do NOT variant it to something with a date of 1920 <i>or</i> 1909. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:03, 2 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Then [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2949315 The Fairy Wedding] should be a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1669240 The Eighth Nimphall] since it is also the complete poem. I was treating the poem as an excerpt from one long work. Thanks for explaining that "The Muses Elizium" is a collection of complete poems. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 06:52, 2 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Craft/Croft ==<br />
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https://picclick.com/The-Ennead-By-Jan-Mark-HC-1st-American-353789515995.html; photo #7 say Craft, but your PV, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287684, says Croft. Price is slightly different so this is probably a library edition, but I doubt they changed names between editions. Can you check your copy and fix if necessary (and variant to parent)? All other ISFDB credits by this artist are as Craft or Kraft. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:54, 29 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: You are correct; that was a typo on my part. I have corrected the entry.<br />
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:: I think, since it says Kinuko Craft on the front flap, it's supposed to be entered as such and varianted to her parent name, Kinuko Y. Craft. This cover art is her first ever as far as ISFDB says, so she probably didn't use the Y until a little later. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:43, 2 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Feel free to correct that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:42, 24 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Trey of Swords ==<br />
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Added notes and changed the price for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229041 Trey of Swords] to one the on the dust jacket value that is confirmed on other sources instead of using the price from Locus. Working from my owned copy and will PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:49, 30 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Children Star / Joan Slonczewski ==<br />
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While PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37054] I came across the note that states that this is the first Tor printing. However, the Tor hardcover came out the year earlier. Any objections to me fixing up the notes? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:09, 11 December 2021 (EST)<br />
: It IS the first printing of THAT EDITION. I never claimed it was the first edition. And Chris_J, who wrote that phrase that it was the first Tor printing never claimed it was the first edition. You're welcome, if you wish, to add the fact that this was the third EDITION, and the first PB EDITION, but you should not change the printing statement. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:38, 24 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Door into Shadow ==<br />
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When preparing to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38600 The Door into Shadow], I noticed missing regular titles as follows: Poem on ix; Map on x; "On Time, Calendars, and Related Subjects" on 293; "On Dracon Anatomy and Physiology" on 297. Any problem with my adding those and some notes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:55, 15 December 2021 (EST)<br />
: I have no problem with that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:32, 24 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Polgara the Sorceress ==<br />
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Corrected spelling of artist Larry Schwinger in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196061 Polgara The Sorceress] plus added notes before doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:40, 15 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Chavey, will you verify the spelling in your copy? If it's misspelled as "Shwinger", we want to keep it that way. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:09, 15 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: I don't have access to that book right now (it's in my wife's collection, she's on vacation for another month, and I don't go searching through her office when she's not here). So I think we should assume I made a typo, and I'll check when she returns. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:31, 24 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Sin/Orgy on Wheels ==<br />
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Hello, Mr. Chavey. I was wondering where you learned that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2961338 Orgy On Wheels] is the same as Sin on Wheels (Greenleaf Classics). It doesn't say that on the Greenleaf Classics website. Thanks.<br />
Do you teach at Beloit? I used to go there.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 14:01, 22 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:The "Orgy on Wheels"/"Sin on Wheels" is mentioned both at [https://vintagesleazepaperbacks.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/sin-on-wheels-by-loren-beauchamp-robert-silverberg-midwood-books-70-1961/ Those Sexy Vintage Sleaze Books] and at the [http://majipoor.com/works/display/1047 Quasi-Official Robert Silverberg Web Site]. And yes, I teach Math and Computer Science at Beloit College -- and founded the Computer Science major there about 30 years ago. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:18, 24 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Millhiser's Mirror (BCE) ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?368223; Copy on Open Library is 383 pages, so I fixed page count. Where did your page count come from? --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:24, 25 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Hedge of Mist ==<br />
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I have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41404 The Hedge of Mist] that I want to PV but it is missing titles for maps on pages xiv to xix, a genealogical table on page 503, the three sections of the Appendices starting on page 463 plus some notes. Would you mind if I add them as well as replacing the Amazon cover with a scanned cover? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:43, 29 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: I have no problem with that. Are you familiar with the author, "Patricia Kennealy-Morrison"? She gets the second part of her last name, "Morrison", from her husband, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Morrison Jim Morrison], lead singer of "The Doors". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks! I was aware of that. I also understand that her marriage to him is considered disputed. I did enjoy her books. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:20, 5 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: The "marriage" was a 'hippie marriage', which had a ceremony, no religious officiant, and no legal marriage certificate. It did have witnesses, and Morrison refers to it as a marriage in his writings, but it was, at best, a "common-law marriage". When I asked her about it, she viewed it as "real", but admits that she only stayed with him for a year or so after the marriage. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:33, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== In the King's Service ==<br />
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Would you mind if I add the missing Appendix titles to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18081 In the King's Service]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:28, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I have no problem with that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:44, 5 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Winds of Change ==<br />
<br />
Would you mind if I make the following changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54809 Winds of Change] before I PV it?<br />
<br>1) Remove "(Book Two of The Mage Winds)" from the title since the series name doesn't belong in the title per current standards. <br />
<br>2) Make the page count [9]+449 to account for the unnumbered pages. <br />
<br>3) Add missing Author's Note title.<br />
<br>4) Remove and delete the title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?552461 Winds of Change (Jacket Design)] and move the info to the Notes since standards don't allow designer info titles.<br />
<br>5) Remove and delete the title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?552457 Winds of Change (Time Line)] and replace it with the more standard title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857212 Official Timeline for the Heralds of Valdemar Series] used for the rest of the series.<br />
<br>6) Add other notes and the WorldCat ID<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:11, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: None of the things you've mentioned here involve the changes I made, all of them involve all elements entered by [[User_talk:Marc_Kupper|Marc Kupper]], so you should ask his permission. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:15, 8 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Will do. Thanks! I'd missed seeing that he was still active. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:34, 8 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Owlflight ==<br />
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Before I PV, would you mind if I add the missing Larry Dixon Interiorart title to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25499 Owlflight] as well as change the page count to [8]+293 to account for the unnumbered pages? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:07, 8 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with me. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:28, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Interview with the Vampire ==<br />
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The artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334880 this] is H. Tom Hall (1932-2010), not H. Tom Hall, see [https://www.inquirer.com/philly/obituaries/20100516_Book_illustrator_judged_an_artist_by_his_covers.html obituary] which shows the original painting, and [https://www.askart.com/artist/H_Tom_Hall/28909/H_Tom_Hall.aspx askart.com] which give his full name as Harry Thomas Hall III. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 16:44, 18 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: He meant "not Tom H. Hall". I'm the one who stumbled on the obit with the pic. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:37, 18 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thank you for that clarification. The original message was somewhat confusing. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:39, 20 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Mageborn Traitor ==<br />
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Before I PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43497 The Mageborn Traitor], besides adding notes, LCCN, and WorldCat, would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1) Change the Pages entry to read [8]+609+[2] since there are no Roman numerals in the pub and there are 2 unnumbered pages after the last numbered one.<br />
<br>2) Add title "The Tale Thus Far: Timeline" on page [7] and remove the note for the same.<br />
<br>3) Add title "Author's Note (The Mageborn Traitor)" on page [611]<br />
<br>Susan O'Fearna only appears to want a note but no pre-approval. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:14, 19 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Do those 2 unnumbered pages have any content on them? If they are blank, then our rules say they can be ignored. Specifically, our rules say:<br />
:: It is fairly common for the last page (or more) of text in a book to be unnumbered. In this case, COUNT FORWARD TO THE LAST PAGE OF TEXT AND USE THAT AS THE PUBLICATION'S PAGE COUNT. For example, if a novel ends on the unnumbered page after page 244, enter the page count as "245" with an explanatory note about the unnumbered last page.<br />
: So there is almost never a need to have something like you "+[2]". If those pages have text on them, then you should correct the "609" number; if they do not have text on them, then they should not be included. (This is a difference between us and, say, L.W. Currey. He always lists all blank pages. We do not; we tend to lean a bit towards simplicity.) I have no problem with changing the [viii] to [8] if those pages don't actually have Roman numerals. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:52, 20 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for the clarification. The "Author's Note" is the unnumbered page two pages after the last numbered page so I'll be making the count [8]+611. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:00, 20 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Devil's Bargain ==<br />
<br />
While getting ready to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10042 Devil's Bargain], I noticed that the "Author's Note" on pages 386-387 is missing. Do you mind if I add it when I add other notes and the WorldCat? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:15, 23 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: That's fine with me. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:41, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Iron Cage ==<br />
<br />
Looking at my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254488 Iron Cage], I think there are serious problems with this record.<br />
<br>1. The date should be 1974-00-00 per the [https://andre-norton.com/works-of-a-master/long-works-of-a-master/418-iron-cage andre-norton.com] website.<br />
<br>2. The wrong WorldCat number is cited. It should be [https://www.worldcat.org/title/iron-cage/oclc/317465464?referer=di&ht=edition 317465464]. The wrong WorldCat record caused the wrong date.<br />
<br>3. The artist signature on the back cover reads "CMikolaycak 1973 9" not "CMikolaycak 1975 9".<br />
<br>What do you think? I'm willing to change these but since you are the oldest active PV for this record, I'm not sure of the protocol.<br />
<br>Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:44, 7 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:I'm dropping this after discussing the situation with Taweiss [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Iron_Cage here]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:38, 12 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shiel Title ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2160647; I added Monster of Mu to Ninepenny series recently and noticed the title of Shiel's novel was slightly wrong; I removed the comma and made "But" "but". --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:15, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Yaril’s Children ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55659 Yaril’s Children], I made the following changes:<br />
<br>Changed page count to [10]+277<br />
<br>Added map title on page [10].<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:17, 23 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Kitty and the Dead Man's Hand / page count ==<br />
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I'm PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281727] and want to change the page count to 301. (I believe the rules support). Thoughts? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:36, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I went ahead and submitted an edit. Hopefully this is ok with you. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:01, 5 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cynthia ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?473400; I replaced cover with Fantlab's because it matches the one on the Archive.org copy to which I added a link, and I changed length to novelette because it's 26 pages of small print. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:44, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Blue Song / printing ==<br />
<br />
My edit [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5224058]] for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5152 Blue Song]] was rejected for not consulting with you. Could you take a look and check, please? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:33, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Red Moon and Black Mountain SFBC edition ==<br />
<br />
Would you please look at the title page of your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?108381 Red Moon and Black Mountain] and see if it shows "Red Moon" over "and" over "Black Mountain" in large lettering over "The End of the House of Kendreth" in smaller lettering? If it does, it matches my copy so I think the title should be changed to "Red Moon and Black Mountain: The End of the House of Kendreth". I'm willing to make the change since I need to make the same title change to the Ballantine pb first printing. (Ref: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Red_Moon_and_Black_Mountain]). Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:39, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Trip to the Moon ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359337; WorldCat says 41 pages, not 414. Can you check your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:31, 28 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Concerning ''A Trip to the Moon'' (Bristol: Horseshoe Publishing, 1925)<br />
: British Library record BL 000883253 reports 41 pp, octavo. It credits the author as "Mary DAWSON, Writer of Tales" (unique in its catalogue) --but doesn't reliably follow the title page thus.<br />
: Mary Dawson of 1967 ''Tecwyn, the Last of the Welsh Dragons'' (which evidently belongs in the database) and 1973 ''Tinker Tales'' (perhaps a candidate for deletion [https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/a/mary-dawson/tinker-tales/ Kirkus review]) is distinct from this author. They may be disambiguated soon. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:12, 23 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Last week I submitted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5330093] the Dawson disambiguation as PubUpdate including a link to that British Library record as 41pp. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:47, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Year of the Rats ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?93553; I corrected it to GUIGNON. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:11, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Thank you for correcting that typo. However, you did so in such a way that the author with the incorrect spelling was still included in the database, but with no titles attributed to them. I merged the two author records, using the correct spelling, and the duplicate incorrect record evaporated. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:59, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wind's Twelve Quarters 3rd printing ==<br />
<br />
I have proposed this to the other active PVs: Based on the printing history on the 4th printing copyright page [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?587854 here], I'd like to change the date on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298777 3rd printing] to 1977-09-00 and add a source note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:02, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thank you! I love it when one printing gives us a full history (to that date) of the previous printings. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 11:11, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Bones of the Past ==<br />
<br />
I would like to make the following changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5220 Bones of the Past] before I PV it:<br />
<br><br>1. Change the page count to [6]+ii+318+[9]<br />
<br>2. Replace the existing notes with these:<br />
<ul><br />
<li>"First Printing, March 1993"; no number line.<br />
<li>"Cover art by Larry Elmore" on the copyright page. Signature on the artwork.<br />
<li>The map on page [6] is uncredited and has no signature but is the same as the map credited to Ellen Kostyk in <i>Fire in the Mist</i>.<br />
<li>The map on page [319] is uncredited and has no signature.<br />
<li>LCCN from LoC catalog lookup.<br />
<li>The book starts with the "Prologue" on Roman numeral pages i and ii but then restarts the page numbering with Arabic numerals for the remainder of the book; the first page with a printed Arabic numeral is page 2.<br />
<li>Includes a 6-page extract from <i>Born to Run</i> by Mercedes Lackey & Larry Dixon titled "There Are Elves Out There".<br />
<li>The <i>Glossary of Odd or Foreign Terms</i> on page 313 is subtitled "(Including Several Words Your Mother Won't Approve Of)".<br />
<li>C$5.99 in Canada.<br />
</ul><br />
<br>3. On page [6], add interiorart title "Bones of the Past (map)" by Ellen Kostyk<br />
<br>4. On page 313, add essay title "Glossary of Odd or Foreign Terms (Bones of the Past)" by uncredited<br />
<br>5. On page [319] add interiorart title "Bones of the Past (map [2])" by uncredited<br />
<br>6. On page [321] add interiorart title "Tablet Found at Site of First-Folk Ruins" by uncredited<br />
<br>7. On page [322] add shortfiction title "There Are Elves Out There" by Mercedes Lackey and Larry Dixon. Once that title is created, I'll add a note to it explaining that it is an excerpt from <i>Born to Run</i>.<br />
<br><br />
<br>Would that be OK? I've also proposed this to active PV MLB. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:38, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mirror ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?502542; Orpen's painting online showed me which is the right cover for this book, https://www.amazon.it/I-vendicatori-angelici-Karen-Blixen/dp/8845906256, but Angelica is Angelici. So if you'd like, you could add your cover and fix the title, if necessary. Maybe it's Angelica on title page? --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:40, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Murphy/Sapir ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360319; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360313; I replaced unstable amazon images with Bookscans.com images. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:02, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Evans' Best Book ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5335934; Amazon image same as yours? --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:48, 6 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Miller/Contento Verification ==<br />
<br />
Hi Darrah<br />
<br />
You've got a Miller/Contento verification for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?639903 Summer 1998 issue] of ''The Ultimate Unknown''. I'm not seeing it in my copy of Miller/Contento, and I'm thinking that verification is probably not correct. I even checked the two listed stories in the index. Could you take a look in case I'm missing something in my copy? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:56, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fandom is for the Young ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325318; I added note about my uploading of cover on your list, but there's also questions I have about whether that "K-nut" nickname is on the title page and should be added to co-author's name and whether you should add xiii to page count since WorldCat does. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:39, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Pulp Paper Master Fiction Plot ==<br />
<br />
Hi Darrah<br />
<br />
I'm going to change the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1510103 this essay] by Lester Dent in Weinberg's ''The Man Behind Doc Savage''. The title page omits the initial article. I've also made it a variant of the original title, which is how it is listed in the table of contents. Please let me know if you have any concerns about these changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:09, 14 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Charles Gehm ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254536; fixed cover artist to Charles Gehm. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:20, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Remnant Population ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27791 Remnant Population], I added notes for the printing, printer's key, and LCCN, the count of unnumbered pages, and regular titles for both excerpts. I also fixed the misspelling of "Artist". [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:12, 20 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Web ==<br />
<br />
Added cover artist to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32888 Star Web] and modified associated note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:11, 29 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Tuck Numbering ==<br />
<br />
Hi Darrah -<br />
<br />
Another editor has changed the page count for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?209269 Tuck Volume 2] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?209273 Tuck Volume 3] from (8)+(244) to [8]+244 and (8)+(389) to [8]+389 respectively. The page numbering continues across all three volumes of Tuck and I suspect that was the reason for the non-standard numbering. These volumes also have a note explaining the continued numbering of those pages for the Arabic numbers. I don't think that the bracketed count for the pages with Roman numbers is correct. The brackets imply that the pages are not numbered. I would like to change the page count to give the number of pages using Roman numbers (viii+244 for 2 and viii+389 for 3) I would also update the note to explain the continued numbering ([xiii] to xx for 2 and [xxi] to xxviii for 3). I would also adjust the note for Volume 3 to indicate the start of the Arabic numbered pages as [231] (the page that would be 231 is a section title page and has no number). You have verified one or both of these books. Would you have any objections to my proposed changes? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:47, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Maquesta Kar-Thon ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21413 Maquesta Kar-Thon], I made the following changes:<br />
<br>- Changed page count to include last printed page number.<br />
<br>- Added the excerpt as a regular title.<br />
<br>- Removed "not included in the page count" from the excerpt note.<br />
<br>- Added the uncredited drawing of a woman that appears at the top of the first page of each chapter as a regular title.<br />
<br>- Added a variety of notes.<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:14, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Moonstone Mass ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279939; I added 2 ID including FantLab and replaced the cover with slightly better FantLab cover, plus fixed a few dates to match the 09-15 date of the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:01, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mudhead ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267566; I replaced OL cover with better Amazon cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:27, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Typo in Salmonson Anthology ==<br />
<br />
Hi Darrah -<br />
<br />
I'm going to update the title of the Linzner story in our mutually verified publication ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?224985 Tales by Moonlight]'' as a result of [[User talk:Rtrace#Tales By Moonlight|this discussion]] to correct a typo. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:20, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Sin Eater ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500473; There's a note saying no price anywhere but Biblio.com shows the full cover with 21s on the front flap, so I added that. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:01, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Pennoyer ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279919; I added FantLab ID, fixed all original dates to match exact book date, and replaced dark and unstable Amazon cover with bright and stable Amazon cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:02, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Robin Hood ==<br />
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Hi. Could you contribute to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Why_is_Robin_Hood_in_the_database.3F this discussion]? That would be appreciated. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:30, 26 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Good Man Is Hard To Find ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409282; See this, https://archive.org/details/goodmanishardtof0000ocon, which has a higher price and different letters on the copyright page, in case you want to enter what's likely a later printing of your PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:30, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dick ~ Brackett / Solar Lottery ~ The Big Jump ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of active PVs: Chavey, Rtrace, Hifrommike65<br />
<br>I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31009 Solar Lottery ~ The Big Jump] and propose to change the date from 1955-00-00 to 1955-05-00 and add a pub note stating the source: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360808 Galactic Central Bibliography]. I will also add the month to the associated records (title and coverart). I will be adding the month to several other PKD books in the near future. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:35, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Tales ==<br />
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I have accepted the edits to your verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256623 pub] adding the month of publication and a source note. (The link to a photo of the title verso is in the notes to mod). [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:35, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Magic Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255994; Copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/details/magictime00reed, says cover artist is Wilenski, not Wilensky, and I think the month in the book supersedes what Locus says, unless a photo of a publisher's slip could be found. Artist name change is more important, though; there are tons of dates here that are off by a month. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:47, 20 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Melancholy of Anatomy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5492687; I added Archive.org link which was uploaded in 2013, added x to page count since that's on the 2nd contents page, replaced "P" cover image with OL image, added stories' # and removed section headings from some of the story titles. Anything different in your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:48, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Dracula Began ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269313; I replaced cover with one from Bookscans.com which is a bit clearer and better-framed, added the catalog ID from the cover, and wrote a bit of trivia in the notes about Vincent Price being on the cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:10, 30 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Book of Fairy Poetry illustration updates ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?434314 this publication], I've entered all of the interior artwork from a scanned copy of this publication. I then removed the generic "interior artwork" credit as it was redundant. I ran across this because I was merging duplicates and making variants from when I added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?928965 Goble's Fairy Tale Illustrations]. Please let me know if you have any questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:31, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Novacious, #1, December 1938 ==<br />
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When you have a moment, could you please check how {{A|Forrest J Ackerman}} is credited in your verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503814 ''Novacious, #1, December 1938'']? A scan of #4 is available online and it credits "Ackerman & Morojo" as co-editors. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:30, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nancy A. Collins / Sunglasses After Dark ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33790 Sunglasses After Dark] and will correct correct capitalization of "after" to "After" in title as per ISFDb standards, upload a cover image, import a coverart record (same art as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33791 Kinnell hc]) and add pub notes. Although I don't have the Kinnell ed, I will make corresponding changes to its pub record which you have also PVd. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 10 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nancy A. Collins / In the Blood ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18004 In the Blood] and will correct page count to 302, replace unstable Amazon image and add notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:19, 10 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lou Aronica & Shawna McCarthy / Full Spectrum ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14814 Full Spectrum]<br />
<br>1) "Moments of Clarity" is on page 97 not 96 as stated in ToC. I will change this and add a pub note.<br />
<br>2) "Bible Stories for Adults No. 17: The Deluge" has no comma on page 331 but the ToC incorrectly lists it with a comma. I will change this, add a pub note and do the varianting. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:25, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Suppose They Gave A Peace ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354695; I added Archive.org link, fixed 316 pp. to 317 pp. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:48, 11 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bartle and Burgess Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27711; I added a , after the word Fantasy in the title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:43, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Galactic Girl ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?388575; Earlier Star ed. just uploaded on Archive.org, ISBN's last 3 #'s crossed out and 48X written in which is the ISBN on ISFDB, your ed. has the old ISBN which links online to 1980 Star ed. of The Elephant Man. Is it crossed out in your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Invaders from Earth (NOVEL) ==<br />
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Five weeks ago I revised your note on the novel ''Invaders from Earth'' T{{t|2798}}, using your more adequate note on the "Mauraders" novella, with this Note to Moderator:<br />
: hold for User:Chavey<br />
: [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Robert Silverberg's "We, the Marauders" and "Invaders from Earth"]]<br />
There I concluded (quote):<br />
: I would have named the "writer's blog" that is also the "FictionMagsIndex mailing list", if I understand correctly. I won't make the call that it belongs in the Notes but hope you will identify it here with a link. --Pwendt|talk 11:53, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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In the meantime I have been promoted to self-approver, and I approved the NOVEL title update moments ago.<br />
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I wonder whether a fiction Series should be used to group works such as this novel and novella, which are versions of the same story (I know only from your note). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 08:38, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Now You See It... ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24617; I added an Archive.org link (one of those preview-only ones that only links from Open Library) to the HC; edit history indicates you added HC LCCN to PB. It should probably be removed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Canadian Flyer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?851357; I want to add C to your PV edition's price because it says printed in Canada in notes, unlike the other edition which says printed in USA. The notes are exactly the same between editions except someone changed USA to Canada but they didn't change the price itself. There are many other Popular Library books which have both editions entered, including several for 1975. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best of MZBF II ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5602974; I assume the 2 wrong names in the essays were entry mistakes and not actually in the book, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:37, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Wounded Planet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606257; Upped page count by 1 due to last numbered page being "About the Editors". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:25, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cleopatra cover art ==<br />
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Hi, Chavey. Could [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?324540 this cover] be by Hector Garrido? <br />
How's the library coming along? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 19:15, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Le Guin - The Dispossessed ==<br />
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Hi, I'm trying to identify the first publication of the maps in {{P|944281|this pub}}. At present, all the current maps are under {{T|229681|this title}}. If you would please look at your {{P|101361|1974-05-00 1st printing}}, are the maps on pages [vi]-[vii] the same as this description?...<br />
:All the maps are circular, with captions outside the circles.<br />
:1st page, top: "ANARRES", with "Abbenay" near map centre.<br />
:1st page, bottom: "URRAS" and "EASTERN HEMISPHERE" beneath, with "THU" near map centre.<br />
:2nd page, top: "ANARRES", with "Institute" above map centre.<br />
:2nd page, bottom: "URRAS" and "WESTERN HEMISPHERE" beneath, with "Meskti" at map centre.<br />
:All unsigned and uncredited.<br />
:The chapter headings you mention are not relevant in this context.<br />
If they are the same, I'll change the date from 1975-00-00 to 1974-05-00 at title level. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:40, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Half-Past Tomorrow ==<br />
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You verified our record of the 1973 Houghton Mifflin 1st printing '''Half-Past Tomorrow'' P{{p|420034}} and noted 'The dust jacket has the code "0812", possibly an August 12th printing.' <br><br />
From several children's book publishers during some recent decades, "0812" would be a recommendation for readers age 8 to 12 years. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:13, 8 April 2023 (EDT)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:JLaTondre&diff=659148
User talk:JLaTondre
2023-04-02T22:42:30Z
<p>Pwendt: /* ISFDB File: space for images */ new section</p>
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<div>==Archives== <br />
[[/Archive_2008|2008]] ∙ [[/Archive_2009|2009]] ∙ [[/Archive_2010|2010]] ∙ [[/Archive_2011|2011]] ∙<br />
[[/Archive_2012|2012]] ∙ [[/Archive_2013|2013]] ∙ [[/Archive_2014|2014]] ∙ [[/Archive_2015|2015]] ∙ <br />
[[/Archive_2016|2016]] ∙ [[/Archive_2017|2017]] ∙ [[/Archive_2018|2018]] ∙ [[/Archive_2019|2019]] ∙<br />
[[/Archive_2020|2020]] ∙ [[/Archive_2021|2021]] ∙ [[/Archive_2022|2022]]<br />
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== Contacting Aliens: An Illustrated Guide to David Brin's Uplift Universe ==<br />
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I'm reaching out to the primary verifiers of the title because I believe it should be re-categorized from "Nonfiction" to "Collection" and I need to gain a consensus. You're marked as a verifier of the 2002 trade paperback edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7947 Contacting Aliens: An Illustrated Guide to David Brin's Uplift Universe]. I think that "Collection" is a better descriptor for the work as it is written in the style of an in-universe guidebook and the contents are all short, encyclopedic entries about fictional alien species and cultures. (Side note, I'm not sure if I am setting up a new topic on your page correctly - my apologies if I've done so incorrectly.) [[User:Leporidae|Leporidae]] ([[User talk:Leporidae|talk]]) 12:11, 13 February 2023 (EST)Leporidae<br />
:My verification was a transient verification (meaning I only had the book temporary). I don't recall enough about it to weigh in - I'm fine either way. Nonfiction vs fiction for "in universe" writing is a borderline case where valid arguments can usually be made either way. I don't have a strong opinion on it. Though, if you are going to change it to collection, the individual contents should be entered. And yes, you created a new section correctly. The "Add topic" button at the top of the screen will work on any talk page. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:13, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for the quick response. I own a copy of the book, so I would be able to tackle adding the individual contents as needed. [[User:Leporidae|Leporidae]] ([[User talk:Leporidae|talk]]) 10:54, 14 February 2023 (EST)Leporidae<br />
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== The Epic of Gilgamesh ==<br />
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Hello JLaTondre!<br />
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Way back in [[ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive49#The_Epic_of_Gilgamesh|2020]] you wanted to fix how The Epic of Gilgamesh is presented in the database, and I'd like to return to this discussion, because I think that is extremely wrong to present this work as a "Novel". I have sent to Anniemod how I would like [[User_talk:Anniemod#The_Epic_of_Gilgamesh|to change it]]: what do you think? Thanks, [[User:ErickSoares3|ErickSoares3]] ([[User talk:ErickSoares3|talk]]) 06:11, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I have not read the book so I do not have opinion on that change. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:09, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dragon's Eye ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11080; I was looking for St. Patrick's Day-related stuff and came across Conly's work in this book; I think it should be a poem. Also, most of the stories don't have lengths; Baen's site has first 3 stories readable, 2nd and 3rd stories' text was entered on wordcount.com and both are 9,000+ words, novelettes, but I can't say for sure about the rest. I've made an edit just adding uploaded-in-2021 Archive.org link and LCCN ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:47, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Edit approved. I changed "Saint Patrick's Last Snake" to a poem. Thanks for pointing that out. As for lengths, feel free to update as you see fit. I'm not one for estimating based on counting words on a page. Unless there is an electronic version to run through a word counter, I don't both with lengths. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:18, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ISFDB File: space for images ==<br />
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Cover image File:PPPNTHSTHS1970.jpg --Pippi VSB 1970, [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:PPPNTHSTHS1970.jpg&oldid=658317 here]-- is on my list to pursue upon return to work here. I see you have cleaned up that page in the meantime by a simple delete of "Licensing" heading and its {Cover image data} template. I believe that I followed Help: instruction that didn't mention "Summary" or "Licensing", nor that the template might be duplicated. Is yours an expected final step, before when the upload has been executed properly? Should the "Licensing" heading sometime be used, with its version of the template alongside (splitting the content data) or instead of the "Summary"? Some pages use the template without any heading.<br />
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(This was the first image I have added to ISFDB, and may have been the first File: page that I have edited.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:42, 2 April 2023 (EDT)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Publisher:Scholastic&diff=658725
Publisher:Scholastic
2023-03-28T18:05:45Z
<p>Pwendt: explain linked source on numberline interpretation</p>
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[http://www.tunneltwo.com/secrets/secrets06.html This page] seems to be helpful with deciphering the number-lines. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:58, 3 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
: "This page last updated on 02-Sep-03"<br />
: For collectors of The Three Investigators series, scope is two generations of paperback books from "Scholastic Book Services": before 1976 (explicit printing and date) and after 1975 (numberlines). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:05, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Imprints ==<br />
* {{pn|Arthur A. Levine Books}}<br />
* {{pn|Orchard Books}}<br />
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== Addresses ==<br />
* Scholastic Press<sup>{{refp|HPRDRFTPX2002|Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix|J. K. Rowling|July 2003}}</sup><br>557 Broadway, New York, New York 10012<br>www.scholastic.com<br />
* Scholastic Inc.<sup>{{refp|HRRPTTRNDD2005|Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince|J. K. Rowling|July 2005}}</sup><br>557 Broadway, New York, New York 10012<br>www.scholastic.com<br />
* Web site: [http://www.scholastic.com/ www.scholastic.com] (verified July 2010)<br />
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== Sources ==<br />
* {{SourcePublication|HPRDRFTPX2002|Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix|J. K. Rowling|July 2003}} <br />
* (on or after May 2004) {{SourcePublication|HRRPTTRNDC2004|Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban|J. K. Rowling|2004}}<br />
* {{SourcePublication|HRRPTTRNDD2005|Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince|J. K. Rowling|July 2005}}<br />
* {{SourcePublication|HRRPTTRNDC2007|Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows|J. K. Rowling|July 2007}}<br />
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{{Verified Publisher}}</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Nihonjoe&diff=658707
User talk:Nihonjoe
2023-03-28T14:26:20Z
<p>Pwendt: /* No Flying in the House, illus Wally Tripp */ COVER and INTERIOR art; "mp", "tp" and "pbk"?</p>
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== Monster Hunter Files ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?630165; I added LCCN ID and Archive.org link (uploaded last August) in a (pending) edit, but it's 319 pages, not 313. Does that need fixing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:38, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have to go look at my copy. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:29, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== N. Conde ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/books/OL37763150M/Satsujin_mania_no_otoko; I've been entering edits for Nicholas Conde books and came across this, in case you want to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?937727 Done]! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small><br />
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== Shared Nightmares ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5593594; The co-editor and the last 4 stories were missing so I entered those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! Approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:46, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== John Howard ==<br />
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Thank you for creating the disambiguations so promptly. [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 18:31, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You're welcome. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:33, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Japanese Brains of Rats ==<br />
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https://www.worldcat.org/title/675616394; I came across something today that said Blumlein's collection won't be reprinted in the Paperbacks From Hell Line because his widow won't allow it so I added a few ID to fill out what's already here and came across that edition linked above in case you feel like entering it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:17, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3161494 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:41, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== No Flying in the House, illus Wally Tripp ==<br />
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Hi. I'm sure you made some mistake 2021-03-29 re two 1982 publications of 1970 novel ''No Flying in the House'' T{{t|29895}} as Harper Trophy. ISBN 0-06-440130-8 fits Harper Trophy 1982. Unfortunately Amazon.com now reports 1970 (must be 1st ed. of the work) and 2020 50th Anniversary edition for the two ISBN.<br />
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There must be some clues in our attributions of ''No Flying in the House'' artwork to illustrator {{a|Wallace Tripp}}: 3 cover art Titles as 1970 and 1 interior art as 1982. <br />
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(I doubt all reports of 1980s Harper Trophy pb, and surmise this book doesn't belong, while the 1986/88/89 are tp.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:39, 26 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'm unclear about what you're wanting here. The only one I've seen is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?829905 this one]. I need to use my copy (which I now have) to verify its details. Other than that, I don't know what you're looking for. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:16, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I made a bunch of edits recently, starting with https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5620256, that are still pending which will clear up some of the confusion but there's still a lot left. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:28, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Nihonjoe, you are the last editor of both reported 1982 Harper Trophy, 1982-00 which gives no source at all (now looks to me, you only removed an obviously wrong cover image), and 1982-08 with surprise data which gives no source but Amazon.com undated. (By the way, cover image credits Illus. by WTripp --but front cover without Harper branding is a surprise.)<br />
::: Now I understand you will complete <s>one of the two records, having a copy of the book, right?</s> <font color=green>[our record of the 50th Anniversary hc P{{p|829905}}]</font> And Username has worked on some publications of the novel. So I will wait. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:17, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I see that I read the Edit histories hastily. On second look, and covering more ''No Flying'' publication records:<br><br />
:::# Wallace Tripp has so outlandish an assortment of <i>No Flying</i> cover illustrations because on that day, by oversight or presumption, you credited the Amazon "Illustrator" with coverart rather than interiorart. So I want you to do the opposite: INTERIORART, with a note if COVERART is inferred.<br />
:::# "pb" or "tp" must also be a common presumption, or an extension of what (we think) we know about a publisher/imprint. Amazon commonly reports no size. For ISFDB ''No Flying'' softcovers, today by ASIN or ISBN, Amazon.com reports size only for the one it has redated from 1982 to 2020. (It reports simply "Paperback" thruout I don't know what "Mass Market Paperback" means at Amazon, when it is used correctly there.) Probably our database should be refined use "mp" and "tp" for mass and trade, and "pbk" for paperback. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:25, 28 March 2023 (EDT)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Nihonjoe&diff=658688
User talk:Nihonjoe
2023-03-27T23:17:23Z
<p>Pwendt: /* No Flying in the House, illus Wally Tripp */ i'll wait for this and that</p>
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== Monster Hunter Files ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?630165; I added LCCN ID and Archive.org link (uploaded last August) in a (pending) edit, but it's 319 pages, not 313. Does that need fixing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:38, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have to go look at my copy. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:29, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== N. Conde ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/books/OL37763150M/Satsujin_mania_no_otoko; I've been entering edits for Nicholas Conde books and came across this, in case you want to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?937727 Done]! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small><br />
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== Shared Nightmares ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5593594; The co-editor and the last 4 stories were missing so I entered those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! Approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:46, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== John Howard ==<br />
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Thank you for creating the disambiguations so promptly. [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 18:31, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You're welcome. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:33, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Japanese Brains of Rats ==<br />
<br />
https://www.worldcat.org/title/675616394; I came across something today that said Blumlein's collection won't be reprinted in the Paperbacks From Hell Line because his widow won't allow it so I added a few ID to fill out what's already here and came across that edition linked above in case you feel like entering it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:17, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3161494 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:41, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== No Flying in the House, illus Wally Tripp ==<br />
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Hi. I'm sure you made some mistake 2021-03-29 re two 1982 publications of 1970 novel ''No Flying in the House'' T{{t|29895}} as Harper Trophy. ISBN 0-06-440130-8 fits Harper Trophy 1982. Unfortunately Amazon.com now reports 1970 (must be 1st ed. of the work) and 2020 50th Anniversary edition for the two ISBN.<br />
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There must be some clues in our attributions of ''No Flying in the House'' artwork to illustrator {{a|Wallace Tripp}}: 3 cover art Titles as 1970 and 1 interior art as 1982. <br />
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(I doubt all reports of 1980s Harper Trophy pb, and surmise this book doesn't belong, while the 1986/88/89 are tp.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:39, 26 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'm unclear about what you're wanting here. The only one I've seen is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?829905 this one]. I need to use my copy (which I now have) to verify its details. Other than that, I don't know what you're looking for. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:16, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I made a bunch of edits recently, starting with https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5620256, that are still pending which will clear up some of the confusion but there's still a lot left. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:28, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Nihonjoe, you are the last editor of both reported 1982 Harper Trophy, 1982-00 which gives no source at all (now looks to me, you only removed an obviously wrong cover image), and 1982-08 with surprise data which gives no source but Amazon.com undated. (By the way, cover image credits Illus. by WTripp --but front cover without Harper branding is a surprise.)<br />
::: Now I understand you will complete one of the two records, having a copy of the book, right? And Username has worked on some publications of the novel. So I will wait. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:17, 27 March 2023 (EDT)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Nihonjoe&diff=658603
User talk:Nihonjoe
2023-03-26T14:39:03Z
<p>Pwendt: /* No Flying in the House, illus Wally Tripp */ new section</p>
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== Monster Hunter Files ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?630165; I added LCCN ID and Archive.org link (uploaded last August) in a (pending) edit, but it's 319 pages, not 313. Does that need fixing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:38, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have to go look at my copy. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:29, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== N. Conde ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/books/OL37763150M/Satsujin_mania_no_otoko; I've been entering edits for Nicholas Conde books and came across this, in case you want to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?937727 Done]! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small><br />
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== Shared Nightmares ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5593594; The co-editor and the last 4 stories were missing so I entered those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! Approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:46, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== John Howard ==<br />
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Thank you for creating the disambiguations so promptly. [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 18:31, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You're welcome. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:33, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Japanese Brains of Rats ==<br />
<br />
https://www.worldcat.org/title/675616394; I came across something today that said Blumlein's collection won't be reprinted in the Paperbacks From Hell Line because his widow won't allow it so I added a few ID to fill out what's already here and came across that edition linked above in case you feel like entering it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:17, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== No Flying in the House, illus Wally Tripp ==<br />
<br />
Hi. I'm sure you made some mistake 2021-03-29 re two 1982 publications of 1970 novel ''No Flying in the House'' T{{t|29895}} as Harper Trophy. ISBN 0-06-440130-8 fits Harper Trophy 1982. Unfortunately Amazon.com now reports 1970 (must be 1st ed. of the work) and 2020 50th Anniversary edition for the two ISBN.<br />
<br />
There must be some clues in our attributions of ''No Flying in the House'' artwork to illustrator {{a|Wallace Tripp}}: 3 cover art Titles as 1970 and 1 interior art as 1982. <br />
<br />
(I doubt all reports of 1980s Harper Trophy pb, and surmise this book doesn't belong, while the 1986/88/89 are tp.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:39, 26 March 2023 (EDT)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:PPPNTHSTHS1970.jpg&diff=658317
File:PPPNTHSTHS1970.jpg
2023-03-21T17:25:14Z
<p>Pwendt: {{CID1
|Title=Pippi in the South Seas
|Edition=Viking Seafarer Books 1970 tp
|Pub=PPPNTHSTHS1970
|Publisher=Viking Seafarer Books
|Artist=Louis S. Glanzman
|Source=Online dealer Mothergooseberry.com}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Pippi in the South Seas<br />
|Edition=Viking Seafarer Books 1970 tp<br />
|Pub=PPPNTHSTHS1970<br />
|Publisher=Viking Seafarer Books<br />
|Artist=Louis S. Glanzman<br />
|Source=Online dealer Mothergooseberry.com}}<br />
== Licensing ==<br />
{{Cover Image Data}}</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Username&diff=658118
User talk:Username
2023-03-18T19:37:19Z
<p>Pwendt: /* Open Library cover discrepancy */ yes, thanks</p>
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<div>{{welcome}} [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:14, 18 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|875023|Tales of Mystery and Revenge}} ==<br />
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How are we to know thet "Day of Vengeance" from 1948 was retitled as "The Bone Bead Necklace" for this collection?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:39, 18 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Archive.org had issues of The Saturday Evening Post which aren't there anymore. "Day of Vengeance" in the Apr 10, 1948 issue concerns a soldier in South Africa cursed by a witch doctor. Both men end up dying, but the curse is passed down over the years to the soldier's relatives. My not having a copy of Langley's 1950 collection makes it difficult to verify, but I find it hard to believe he wrote 2 stories about witch doctors cursing someone (especially since the Post story has an illustration on the 1st page of the witch doctor wearing a bone necklace). I guess someone with access to that 1948 issue and either the 1950 collection or its 1969 reprint (or Medley Macabre where the story was reprinted) will have to compare and verify. I see no mention on the web of these 2 stories being the same, so I'd be happy to be the first to notice this.[[User:Username|Username]]<br />
:: We definitely need more than just what you recollection is.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 07:04, 19 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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So on picclick.co.uk I discovered 1 copy of the 1950 edition, [https://picclick.co.uk/Tales-of-Mystery-and-Revenge-by-Noel-Langley-142458018002.html], and entered the page #'s on ISFDB, but noticed the acknowledgements mention 3 stories, "the Fall of the Fothergays", "Saint Wilbur", and "But a Good Cigar is a Smoke" are credited to the Saturday Evening Post. "...Fothergays" says on philsp.com it's from a 1947 issue of Woman's Journal and the other 2 stories don't have any info online verifying they're from the Post, so I think this bolsters my belief that he retitled some of his stories for book publication. I also found a weird PDF of the 1969 reprint, [http://www.sepel.uerj.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Tales-of-Mistery-and-Revenge-Noel-Langley.pdf], which has different page #'s (which I also entered on ISFDB) but the same acknowledgements. This was one of my very first edits and it still bothers me that I threw away my printout of the story from archive.org shortly before I became an editor, since the archived Post issues were taken down for some reason. There's a site, saturdayeveningpost.com, but they charge a membership fee. I'll have "Day of Vengeance" entered on ISFDB yet! --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:49, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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So I found this, [https://picclick.co.uk/Saturday-Evening-Post-April-10-1948-John-Atherton-174551293028.html]. Picture #2 shows the contents page with "Day of Vengeance" and Picture #11 shows a piece of the story on the right side. So that's proof of the story and some text for someone who has any of the books with "The Bone Bead Necklace" to compare and verify if they're the same. "Day of Vengeance" will be mine! --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:28, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Edits ==<br />
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We appreciate the information you are providing. However, instead of just submitting the info in the moderator notes, please feel free to make the necessary edits. If content needs to be added to a pub, you can edit the pub. If the same story appears under multiple titles, you can variant this to one another. There are links to the help in the welcome message above. Let us know if you have any questions ([[ISFDB:Help desk]] is a good resource for asking). We hope you will continue to contribute. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:32, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for the advice. I variant titled Dat Tay Vao with Dat-Tay-Vao and Mrs Halfbooger's Basement with Mrs. Halfbooger's Basement since those 2 fixes were supposedly title-updated by you according to "My Recent Edits" but weren't actually changed at all. I figured out how to do them myself. However, both reported a Length Mismatch because the correct titles were classed as "short story" but the variants were not classed at all. I guess that's another fix I'll have to do myself for future titles. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Username|contribs]]) .</small><br />
::Sorry, about that. Looks like I hit approve instead of hold. I have been holding edits until I had a chance to make the change. I approved the variants and set the lengths on the variants. I also moved this conversation from my page over to here as, by convention, we keep conversations centralized as it makes it easier to follow. Thanks again for these contributions. I will continue to process the edits on hold. However, if you wish to do them yourselves, you can cancel the existing edit that is just a note and submit the actual change. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:17, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Among the Pictures Are These: ==<br />
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As the ending colon seems likely a database typo, I have [[User_talk:SFJuggler#Among_the_Pictures_Are_These:|asked the verifier]] to double check. I will fix or variant based on the answer. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:04, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:It was a database typo and has been corrected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:03, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Stella Gibbons, a Writer and the Supernatural ==<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4865069 This merge] would change the title in a verified pub. If you believe All Hallows #32, February 2003 used a comma instead of a subtitle (ISFDB separates subtitles from titles with a colon), you need to post at the verifiers talk page and ask them to double check. Verification means that the person has checked the record against the pub & verified it matches. It's not a perfect system as people are people and we all make errors, but ISFDB etiquette is to check with active verifiers. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:56, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== How Kank Thad Returned to Blur-Esh ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4865426 This edit] will impact verified pubs. As one of the verifiers is active ([[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]]), you will need to check with them. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:10, 25 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== John Taylor ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4866416 this submission]: {{A|John Taylor}} is a UK author and {{A|John Alfred Taylor}} is a US author. They also have different birth dates. These do not seem to be the same person. Is there something I'm missing? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:37, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:I've separated out the stories per The Fiction Mags Index and other sources. There was actually a third author in there also. I've left a single story on {{A|John Taylor}} as I was unable to find anything on that one. Thanks for finding this. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:10, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:: That one story I traced to [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/s313.htm#A4878 John Alfred Taylor].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:53, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Sorry, that was actually an essay, I'll revert it.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:56, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: We better ask the primary verifiers of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98895 Beyond this Horizon] if the two Taylor entries in this book are by the same John Taylor. Contento has them both as by John Alfred Taylor, BTW.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:03, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Good idea. [[User_talk:Stonecreek#John_Taylor|Done]] --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:16, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Stonecreek reports that there is no biographical information in ''Beyond This Horizon'', but the context makes it more likely it was the UK physicist. I have added title notes to document that. Best we can do, I think. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:44, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The W.W. II Pistol ==<br />
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I merged "The W. W. II Pistol" to "The W.W. II Pistol" as the primary verifier is no longer active to ask and the Amazon Look Inside for the verified version shows it without the space. As for first appearances, you can update the date and add a note to title records that appear in verified pubs without asking the verifier. It is only if you change the title or the author credit that verification becomes an issue. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:32, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== David Byron ==<br />
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Given this is a common name, do you know if all the titles at {{A|David Byron}} are from the same person? I would like to ensure we don't have multiple people here before updating. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:59, 31 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Plagiarism ==<br />
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Hi, If you feel -rather: if you can prove- that a given story is a plagiarism, please enter that information -accompanied by links in the <a href="link">information</a> format- in the note field of that particular story and submit that, instead of starting a story in an author change request.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:17, 31 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Username, when someone asks you a question (like above), please answer the question on the wiki. There are multiple moderators and when you put answers in the moderator notes, different people will be reading them which makes it very confusing. In fact, if you are not submitting a change (i.e. only have moderator notes), then it doesn't belong in a database submission. It would be better posted at the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:27, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Pseudonyms / alternate names ==<br />
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Hi, and a belated welcome. I processed your submissions related to alternate names for {{A|Robert Steven Connett}}. They were fine, but one gotcha to be aware of when working with alternate names: Simply establishing one exisiting name as an alternate of a canonical name is not enough to get the bibliographies organized appropriately. For each of the pseudonyms/alternates, you also need to go through the bibliography of titles credited using that name and make them variants of new titles credited to the canonical name. So, for example, where you made {{A|R. S. Connett}} an alternate name of {{A|Robert Steven Connett}}, the cover art title {{T|1296305|I'll Be Damned}} needed to be made a variant of a new parent title with all of the particulars identical, but the "R. S. Connett" credit replaced with "Robert Steven Connett". That gets {{T|2816878|this result}}. (If we already have a record for the same title credited to the canonical name, there is an option link to it instead of creating a new one.)<br />
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If the alternate name relationship already exists, you can tell which titles are missing the variant-to-canonical-parent because they are still visible by default on the alternate name's bibliography page. Once a variant is in place, they are hidden (you can see them by choosing the "View all titles published using this alternate name" link).<br />
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You can make the variants without waiting for the alternate name relationship establishment to be approved, so you can do them at the same time. It makes life easiest on the moderators if you first submit the alternate name edit and next submit the new variant(s) -- then it's easy to see what you're doing and is also easy to see that the moderator doesn't need to go add the variants.<br />
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I took care of these, so just something to keep in mind for the future. If you run into this situation again, give it a try, and if you need any help just ask. Thanks! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:19, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Wake of the Wearwolf (excerpt) spelling ==<br />
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Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/tv_update.cgi?4871401 submission] has been placed on hold. As the work "Wake of the Wearwolf (excerpt)" is in a book that has [[User:Marc Kupper|a primary verifier]], what needs to happen is that you contact him and ask him to verify the spelling of the title in his copy of the work. I've asked Marc to comment here. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:16, 6 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Removing first appearance notes ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
<br />
While these are not necessary, they confirm that what we have as a first appearance of a story is indeed its first and we are not missing earlier editions and/or appearances. So I would not remove them -- I am going to reject all of your edits that are trying to do that. I would not go and add that as a note but if someone had added it after doing the research for it, I will leave it in place. Thanks for the understanding. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:36, 7 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Tales of Britannica Castle ==<br />
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I don't see why you need to variant this title. It is apparently a series, so the other similar titles may be different stories. Only if you know the contents of the stories do you need to worry about creating variants. Clearly, some of them are already variants; I guess I would accept what is already in the data base. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:55, 11 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Horror: The Best of the Year ==<br />
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List the stories you know in the contents and the authors where you don't know the stories in the notes for the pub, with something like "The following authors are known (from what source) to have stories in the anthology, but the titles of their stories are unknown:<br />
". [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 21:00, 11 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon images ==<br />
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When you use Amazon images, like that for "In Flagrant Delight", remove the part between the two underlines, eg. "...images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51UUVNH-hfL._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg" should be changed to "...images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51UUVNH-hfL.jpg". I've corrected a couple for you. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:36, 12 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Importing content into The Phantom Coach and Other Ghost Stories of an Antiquary ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to import content into ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?784537 The Phantom Coach and Other Ghost Stories of an Antiquary]''. The collection is under a variant name, "Augustus Jessopp, D. D." whereas the stories you are importing are under the parent name "Augustus Jessopp". Unless each of the individual stories has a different byline on their title pages, the form of the author's name should match that of the collection. However, that situation is unusual. Let me know if that's actually the case. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Some ancient archived magazine from 1883 I found on Google lists the only story by Jessopp on ISFDB, "An Antiquary's Ghost Story", with the D.D. although ISFDB does not. The collection by him uses the D.D. on the cover so I suppose all stories should be under that name, too. Also, richarddalbyslibrary.com gives more info about this book including an introduction by J.A. Salmonson and a preface by the author.--[[User:Username|Username]] 11:07, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::That's all fine. We just need to have the version of each story reflect the author credit as it appears in the publication where you find it. So four stories you added need to have the author credit as "Augustus Jessopp, D. D.". This means that you can't import [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?802837 this story], because the author credit lacks the "D.D.". What you want to do is just edit the publication adding all four stories manually with the correct credit. Then you need to make each of those stories a variant. For the one that we have without the "D.D.", you do that by Option 1 in the make variant tool and providing the title number of the parent version (802837). For the other three stories, you should use option 2 and create a new title with the parent name without the "D.D". This should also be done for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2753001 title record] for the collection itself. You can also add the Salmonson introduction, though if she is credited as "J. A.", it would be another variant situation as her canonical name is "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1180 Jessica Amanda Salmonson]". Please let me know if you need any help in creating these edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:05, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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Turns out it's a good thing I didn't follow your instructions, not that I understood them anyway. I was going to just put a link in the book's notes to the page on richarddalbyslibrary.com so people could see the contents until I noticed the damn page has a completely different book title in the URL. Apparently that website is just as careless with info as many of the people who edit on ISFDB, who just lazily copy info they find on the web without double-checking other sources to make sure what they're entering is accurate. Searching for another page about the book, I found one on lwcurrey.com that revealed there's only 2 stories in the book and the other stuff is all articles about supernatural phenomena. So I will enter a note about all this in the record for this title.--[[User:Username|Username]] 18:26, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Foreward / Foreword ==<br />
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Hi, I got your meaning in the 2nd round -but it gave me a chance to correct the nine 'Foreword' entries as well.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:37, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Sources ==<br />
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When adding details to an author like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?84861 William Castle], please note the sources you are using either by adding the site to the Web Pages (I added Wiki and IMDB as both confirm your data) or in the Moderator notes - it saves time when the verification is being done. Plus if you add them to the Web pages, people can see where the data came from without needing to go through the Edit history. While Wiki is usually a fast guess, sometimes the sources are more obscure (and as such harder to be found later). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Wikipedia and IMDB are almost as bad as Amazon when it comes to incorrect info, which is saying a lot, so I would never trust anything I read on those sites and copy info from them like so many other editors on here do. I find more reliable sources, usually in archive.org or other obscure places, and I don't link those sites because I have no idea if the site wants to be linked here or not, unlike "Wiki and IMDB" which everyone "borrows" info from.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:57, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: So what were your sources for this edit then? Data with no sources should be rejected. I will start doing that instead of trying to complete your incomplete updates. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:56, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Please note that, as is repeatedly emphasized in [[Help:Screen:NewPub]], editors should explain their sources in the Note field. In addition to the Note fields, which exist in all ISFDB record types (author records, publication records, title records, etc), we also use a number of other ways to indicate the sources of our bibliographic information: primary verifications, secondary verifications, External IDs.<br />
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::: Consider [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185757 this record], whose Note field reads "No publication date stated. The stated copyright date is 1966. Reginald-1 gives the publication year as 1971." It clearly explains what information is stated in the publication and what information was taken from a secondary source, in this case Reginald-1. (Certain old ISFDB records from before ca. 2006 do not state their sources; some of our editors are working on updating them as time permits.)<br />
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::: Please make sure to state your sources going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:02, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Transient verifications and formats ==<br />
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As a verification implies access to the book/magazine you are verifying and there is no note that you are working from a clipped/rebound copy [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819550 here], can you please fill in the format of the magazine? Especially for a transient verification - you may not have access to it later on. If you are working off complete scans or rebound magazine archive (so the format is harder to be determined), add a note to that effect to the publication so that is clear. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:42, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Naught But a Shadow ==<br />
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Fixed the format on your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819551 here]. "pb" is for American style paperbacks; all other paperbacks are "tp". A 5x8 inches paperback will always be a tp. The full help page is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Format here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:51, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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If that's what you think best, that's fine. I was basing it on the fact that every online mention of this book at reputable booksellers like Barnes & Noble refers to it as a paperback and not one calls it a trade paperback or tp except somebody selling a copy on eBay.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:49, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Please read the help page. “Pb” is used for mass market paperbacks. “Tp” is any other paperback. Don’t apply industry terms when we have the terms defined here. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:58, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Subterrene: Tales from the Shadows ==<br />
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When adding books without ISBN, adding the ASIN makes it easier to know what we have (and less likely for a duplicate to be created). I added it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819552 here] and fixed the capitalization: we normalize titles and "from" is never capitalized unless it is the first word in a title or subtitle. Complete capitalization rules are [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Title here], section "Case".<br />
: A quick question - is not using the exact date a decision (you do not think Amazon has that right?) or just an oversight? Thanks for adding the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:56, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
I wouldn't trust info on Amazon if my life depended on it. Their dates are wrong very often, along with much else. A big portion of my work since I started here has been correcting info entered by other editors who lazily copy from Amazon (or locusmag.com or philsp.com or countless other places) without double-checking with other sources. Also, when I enter info often I go back and add more and correct my mistakes later, so not having certain info doesn't mean it won't be added eventually.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dates ==<br />
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I am not sure what you mean with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892390 this note]. When you are merging, the UI allows you to select which date to keep - defaulting always on the earliest. I had never seen it behaving differently and when I just merged, it picked up 1991 - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?896324 here]. But even if it did not, you can change that during the merging so was there a different problem with this merge? <br />
: If not, what browser and OS are you using? Maybe we have a HTML/JS issue somewhere... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: I've merged hundreds of these. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:21, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: According to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi?9 Top ISFDB contributors (Title Merge)], you have merged 60 title records. Are you using multiple user names, by chance? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Upon merging titles recently often the KeepID column will have the date of first publication I didn't choose. I can't say why sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I find it hard to believe it only happens to me, so maybe asking other editors would help. Perhaps the updates to the ISFDB software recently by 1 of the moderators (see: Community Portal) had something to do with it.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:21, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: The sections of the ISFDB software responsible for merging titles haven't been changed in a number of years. There have been no reports of inconsistent behavior, but it's always possible for a new browser-specific issue to pop up. Could you please specify which browser and operating system you are using? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Skeleton Crew, March 1991 ==<br />
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Question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819554] - Archive has a lot more contents than you added. Is it out of scope? If so, there is a decision to be made. If we declare the magazine non-genre, then it does not get added. If we declare it genre (and it looks to me it is), then we can add the incomplete template so people know we need to get back to it and add it. <br />
PS: Careful with prices -- US$ is just $ (and added page numbers - if you rather not use the pages, add piped numbers for order (|1, |2 and so on) or a merge later on will move things around and the stories will show up in all kinds of weird order. Thanks for adding the magazine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:14, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: And on the same magazine - why did it jump from being a UK one to being a US one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2728851 see the prices])? It seems like the covers have both prices so let's stick with one of them in the Price field (UK I would say -it seems more prominent) and add the other in the notes? It looks a bit sloppy otherwise :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
There are over a dozen issues of this magazine that have never been entered on ISFDB at all even though it ended its run in 1991. I found out "The Reploids" by Stephen King was never reprinted in any of his collections but searching online I found out it was reprinted in an issue of this magazine, but only 1 issue had ever been entered by someone on ISFDB, so I began the task of entering the issues myself, only including fiction because most of the non-fiction is outdated interviews. I entered the price in pounds and after moderator accepted my edit I saw they had changed the price to dollars for some reason. So if you have a problem with that speak to them and tell them not to change things without asking the editor if it's Ok with them.--[[User:Username|Username]] 08:57, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Nope. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892491 Here] is your submission. You were the one who added it in Dollars. I approved it, fixed the format and came to ask you why. No one can chan a submission - we can only approve and then edit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:10, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Scott Connors/Scott Conners ==<br />
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Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892595 this submission] solely based on the similar names and the story of the other author or is there something that confirms them as the same person? While it is indeed very likely that they are the same, the name is common enough to allow for ambiguity so a bit more proof is needed - we connect names only when we are sure they are the same. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:25, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4893001 Sam Minier]? While the name is less common, I would still prefer a bit more data (listing somewhere? Bio somewhere?). I am more inclined to approve this one without any additional data than the other one but still... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
Scott Connors is a well-known expert on Clark Ashton Smith and has many non-fiction pieces on the subject, so the Conners record (which is not a story, it's an essay) which is about Smith is by the same guy, with his last name misspelled either in the original publication or by the person who entered the info here. The Minier name is the same person and philsp.com has the Sam Minier info under the Samuel Minier name.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:06, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Missing source ==<br />
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Please specify the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4893507 this edit to Fiend]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:29, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The cover for Guy N. Smith's 1988 novel Fiend is the same as the cover for Year's Best Horror Stories: XIX and is actually titled "Fiend" in Les Edwards' 1990 collection, just like the cover by Edwards for Smith's 1989 novel Mania was re-used for 2 different horror best-of-the-year collections. When the title of the artwork matches the title of the book it came from, that's your source.--[[User:Username|Username]] 17:51, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: And that is why we have "Moderator Notes" field on every record - so you post your sources and explanations there. And in the case of the cover art attribution, the source and attribution should also be always added to the publication note. I will reject your update so you can redo it and add the sources in Notes and allow (if you want) to add more notes to the Moderator notes (these will be visible if someone checks the publication history so they become attached to the book if anyone wonders later how the artist was determined) while the Notes field itself is visible without digging and even for non-logged in users. Thanks for finding this one and let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A little trick with magazines ==<br />
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You do not need to rename and change the date of the EDITOR record before it is merged with its yearly record (as long as an yearly record already exists for this year) - you can use either "Show All Titles" from the editor's author page (for not very active editors) or Advanced Search -> Titles with the exact titles and with "or" and merge directly from one of those screens (make sure you select the date with 00-00 - the site has preference to exact dates within the same year so it will pick the date with a date or month specified by default). Most moderators will merge for you once they approve a rename (as I just did) but that makes it a single step so it does not get missed. Rename and merge is not a problem of course - but less steps makes it less likely for things to get wrong sometimes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:18, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Night the Lights Went Out in Arkham ==<br />
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I've rejected [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4894790 this submission] because we don't link to cover images in the website field. That field is only for sites ''about'' the publication, not for cover image links. For the cover image, you can download it to your computer, and then upload it by following the directions on [[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki|this page]]. I've done that for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?762067 this publication] (including the price). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:47, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Red Scream ==<br />
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Hello my friends. So I was taking a look at this magazine which only ran for 3 issues in 2005. The second issue was only partially filled, so I checked to see if the remaining fiction was on ISFDB. 1 story was there so I imported it, "Suitcase Sam" (although date needed to be changed to magazine's date), but another story was there under a most likely mistakenly entered title. Wrath James White's story in Red Scream, "Razor Blade Fuck Toy", shows a 2014 date on ISFDB and the title "http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2019310", and was translated as "http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2018926" for a 2016 German anthology and reprinted in a 2017 German collection of White's stories. The 2014 date is because it was included in an English-language collection of White's stories, Cupid in Bondage, that's not on ISFDB. The thing is, that German title roughly translates as "Sex Plaything", which seems more like a translation of the original title in Red Scream. I suppose it's possible he wrote a sequel to the original story, but I doubt it. Not being familiar at all with White's work, I humbly ask someone out there who is to help sort this out. If it turns out they're the same story, I can import it into the magazine's contents and then never have to look at those creepy Red Scream covers again. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:16, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Over All ==<br />
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I approved you submission for changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1252537 Over All]. I varianted the author's name to the canonical form and yes, I flagged the story as graphic format. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 13:27, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Incomplete ==<br />
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When the contents of a book is incomplete, please use the template <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> and not some made up string. This way the magazine/book will show up on the incomplete report and if someone has the time and/or the inclination to, they can complete it. The list of all supported templates is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields here]. I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?427466 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:05, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: I didn't put "Contents incomplete" in the notes because I wanted someone else to complete the record. I put it there to remind myself it wasn't finished yet. 1 of the stories, "Scoop", was in an issue of Fantasy Tales but wasn't on ISFDB, which I found odd, and it turns out it's because Samantha Lee's name was misspelled as Amanda Lee, even though a moderator had verified that issue nearly 10 years ago. Nobody noticed that mistake until I did just now. Also, 1 story was published in 2002 under a different name so I still needed to variant the title. Also, several stories were published in women's mags and thus needed notes entered by me to say where they were first published. Also, a couple of story titles in the collection differed slightly from their original titles, so I needed to mention that in the notes. I don't just enter stuff, I actually try to do it properly. In the future I won't put any "contents incomplete" in notes so no one will be bothered entering it themselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:29, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Understood but things happen. You may need to walk away - and then forget when you are back. Or the approval may take awhile. So just use the template so in case you do not come back to it, someone else can. :) That's why we have the template - way too many "I will be back to finish it" cases that never got finished. Don't be surprised if a moderator adds the template on an incomplete edit though - once a story is added, it is the only thing that differentiates an incomplete contents from complete one.<br />
:: As for the author name - discuss the author name change with the PV - if it is credited with a different name in the magazine, it will be approved. If the typo is in the magazine, we will need to variant instead. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:43, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Scoop ==<br />
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Please discuss [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4901012 this change] with the PV as per ISFDB policy. As we go by the credit in the magazine, unless you have a magazine at hand or a scan that can show the spelling, we need to check where the typo is - in our DB or in the magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:47, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Well, there's the fact that her name is spelled properly as Samantha Lee on the front and back cover, and in the contents: [https://archive.org/details/fantasytales20000unse]. The typo's in our DB. God bless --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:01, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: All 3 are irrelevant if it is misspelled on the title page of the story itself. :) Do you happen to have a scan of that? Check with Bob - he probably can pull the magazine and check it. It is most likely a misspelling here indeed but stranger things had happened so we try to double check before we "fix" things. If there was no active PV, I would approve and add a note in the publication for the change. With an active PV, we may have access to the magazine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:06, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: I also encountered a few cases where the author's name or the title proper did differ on the cover, the table of contents and/or the beginning page, and a fraction of them did make it to spell it only on the beginning page different (supposedly erroneous). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:15, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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This link, [https://books.google.com/books/about/Fantasy_Tales_5.html?id=VyafBAAAQBAJ], gives you 2 copies of this issue, including 1 with a limited preview. Clicking on "Scoop" by SAMANTHA Lee in the contents takes you to the title page of the story where you can see that the author is SAMANTHA Lee. Her name is spelled properly everywhere in this issue. The AMANDA Lee name on ISFDB was just a case of a previous editor entering the wrong name. When my name change edit is confirmed by a moderator don't forget to import "Scoop" into SAMANTHA Lee's collection Worse Things Than Spiders. All hail --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:51, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: You know, it took a few minutes to ask the PV and get an [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Fantasy_Tales_V12n5.2C_Autumn_1990 answer]. Update approved. Feel free to import it anywhere it needs to go. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:15, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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The only reason to ask the PV is if I was unable to see a copy of the work in question. There are multiple copies online including the one I linked on Google Books which proved that the name on the title page was really Samantha. I only bother other people when I can't see the evidence for myself, which didn't apply in this case. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:28, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:You should always check with the PV when possible. There may be some cases where they have an undeclared variant copy where the mistake is present, which may differ from the copy you have (in which case, we'd need to make sure both were documented here). Unless they are no longer active, always check with the PV. Always. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:03, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Decadence ==<br />
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If you have the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295007 this one], please add the page place numbers (preceded with |) so the stories are properly ordered in our listing. The ones that were already there have the page orders already, just the ones you just added still need them :) And if by any chance there are real pages numbers, we can use that on all stories of course. Meanwhile I cleaned up the list of authors with unknown stories in the note and added incomplete to make sure we keep track of the missing story. Thanks for adding some of the missing stories. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:15, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Language ==<br />
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Please refrain from using expletives and other coarse language when posting and submitting on ISFDB. It may be normal language for you, but it can create an uncomfortable atmosphere when working with other editors here. There are people from many different backgrounds on ISFDB, and we need to make sure we are considerate in how we interact with them. Please keep your language professional. Thank you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:39, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== ISBNs for books after December 31, 2006 ==<br />
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Please be sure to use ISBN-13s for books published after December 31, 2006. If you only have an ISBN-10, you can use [https://www.isbn.org/ISBN_converter this handy ISBN converter] to find the ISBN-13. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:11, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== El Hijo de las Tinieblas ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4906675 this submission], what was the reason for the significant changes you submitted? There was no note explaining why you were changing the publication dates from 2013 to 1992. That's a huge change, so an explanation is needed. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:15, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:[https://tercerafundacion.net/biblioteca/ver/ficha/1616]; exact date from bookdepository.com; it's a trade paperback, not a paperback as I originally thought. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:18, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Are there, perhaps, two different printings? One in 1992 and one in 2013? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:33, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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All copies on AbeBooks are 1992. The book's publisher, Martinez Roca, ends in 1998 on ISFDB, except for 1 stray literary novel in 2007, so it's unlikely they decided to reprint a cheesy horror novel from 1990 in 2013. It's probably just the usual editor's copy and paste error without checking other sources to verify the info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:45, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Okay, thanks. Approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:37, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Disambiguating author and publisher names ==<br />
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When disambiguating these, please follow these guidelines:<br />
*For the most established one (usually meaning they have the most work, or are the oldest company), leave the name as is.<br />
*For the other people or publishers with the same name, disambiguate them using a Roman numeral in parentheses. For example, we have three publishers with the name "Catalyst Press": [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6451 Catalyst Press], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?74316 Catalyst Press (I)], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?74317 Catalyst Press (II)].<br />
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If you do this, the database will automatically add a line at the top of the listing (whether for a person or a publisher) with links to any others with the same base name: "Note: There are other publishers with the same name: Catalyst Press, Catalyst Press (I)". Please let me know if you have any questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:42, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Offspring ==<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/darkoffspring00newy] Found this anthology which is completely empty on ISFDB was uploaded to archive.org back in 2010. I entered price, cover artist and introduction, but limited preview cuts the second page of stories off. Anyone with an account on archive.org can now enter into ISFDB the contents of this rare book which aren't listed anywhere online as far as I'm aware. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:31, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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I entered them myself. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:47, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Squad D ==<br />
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So this story, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?46121], written in the 1970's, was never included in any of Stephen King's collections and didn't get published until Richard Chizmar's anthology Shivers VIII in 2019, which was oddly published in Germany first. The problem is there's only 1 library with 2 copies of the book on Worldcat, so distribution seems to have been a problem. Scribd.com offers it as a standalone story but requires you to sign up to read the whole thing. However, I discovered if you click the cached version on Google it gives you the whole story. Oddly, the regular website's cached version is a mess of garbled text, while this version, [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RFGP0YSYP1cJ:https://pt.scribd.com/document/23283543/Squad-D&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0], seems to display it properly. So here's an opportunity to read this rare story. I wonder whether I should add that link to the "Squad D" ISFDB record. Any thoughts? --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:34, 11 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Red Scream - 2005 edit ==<br />
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Hi. I had to hard-reject your Red Scream - 2005 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4909155 submission] because that title record is no longer present. It was most likely merged with something else (probably [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2424596 this]) after you submitted it, and the merge was accepted first. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:18, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== "La Belle Dame Sans Merci" / "La Belle Dame Sans Regrets" ==<br />
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Hi. When changing the text of a title, keep in mind that the change affects all publications where the title appears. In the case of your "La Belle Dame Sans Merci" -> "La Belle Dame Sans Regrets", while it is "Regrets" in ''Terminal Frights'', it is "Merci" in ''Deathrealm #28'', so the fix-up needs to be done differently. First, we need to unmerge the title for the publication where it is incorrect, then we need to fix that instance. In researching this, I found they are not the same work, but rather "Regrets" is the sequel to "Merci". See [https://www.amazon.com/INTERMUSINGS-David-Niall-Wilson-ebook/dp/B0084V61ZA this]. So I am going to reject your submission and then separate the two and fix up the one in ''Terminal Frights''. Thanks for catching it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:25, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:This is done. See now [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?83544 La Belle Dame Sans Merci] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2834399 La Belle Dame Sans Regrets]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:12, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Publication (or title) web pages ==<br />
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When updating web pages for a publication or title, please don't remove current links (as you did for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?823713 this one]). Instead, click the "+" button next to ''Web Page 1'' and add a second web page. This helps prevent possible loss of information. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:31, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:I'm the one who entered that Phantasm anthology recently and found that archived page, then I found an Angelfire page still on Google with much the same info, so I replaced it. Always better to use a still extant page rather than an archived one, but if both are acceptable, then both it is. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:51, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::There's not really a limit on the number of webpages that can be entered, so having two is usually better. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:15, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Temple Servant and Other Stories ==<br />
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I've put on hold your edit to replace the Note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2056411 this pub]: "After Morrough's name on the title page is (Abu Nadaar); this is the pen name used when some of these stories were first published in magazines, primarily The New Statesman and London Mercury.". Replacing the note would remove the information about Moreau's other pseudonym "Abu Nadaar", and we currently don't carry that info anywhere else, so I'd suggest adding your new note to it rather than replacing it. Alternatively, so that it's no lost an appropriate place for this info would also be to add a Note to Morrough's biblio page, which you can do by clicking 'Edit Author Data'. You could also add a Note to the Title data for each relevant story, mentioning that it was originally published by as by "Abu Nadaar" in whichever magazine/newspaper it appeared, if you have that information. What do you think? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 04:42, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The verbatim note from The Temple Servant should be entered on ISFDB under that book's record but my note about "Abu Nadaar" can be entered under Morrough's name as "He published some stories under the pen name Abu Nadaar". Info is sketchy since some stories were published as by Nadaar and then reprinted as by Morrough in many old and hard-to-verify publications so a note will suffice. It's not anything major since there's many sites all over the web with the info about his pseudonym. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:34, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks, done. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 14:37, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Artist credit + notes/sources -- ''City Jitters'' ==<br />
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Hi. When you add an artist credit, such as you did for {{P|278761|City Jitters}}, you should identify the source. If it's in the book and you are Primary Verifier, then it's ok not to say anything (although it is helpful to state the form of the credit, even in that case). But if you don't have the book, the secondary source used for the credit should be noted. In researching the submission, I found the art on Les Edwards' [http://www.lesedwards.com/galleries/vintage/city-jitters/1097 website], so I accepted it and added the webpage link in the title record. Please take a moment to add your source to the pub notes, though, or one of us can add a note about its appearing on his site, if you'd rather. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:13, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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See here: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?887726]. The City Jitters cover is the parent of all these covers. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:18, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks for the pointer. I made the variant and added a note about the secondary sources to the pub. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Strange Tales: Volume III ==<br />
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Can you please share your source for the "bound by Biddles in black wibalin cloth stamped in copper" note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?317426 here]? I also fixed the title - we add a : before subtitles (and as the title page is visible on the publisher site, it is very obviously a subtitle indeed) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:11, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Same question and note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296408 Volume 2]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:12, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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That note was already there; I added the title change with Volume being added to the title for all Strange Tales (except Volume V where they just called it Strange Tales V). I don't know what Biddles or wibalin even are nor is that the kind of info I usually add anyway; some previous editor did all that. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:08, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Oops, sorry about that - not sure why I decided the latest update changed these - I think I mixed up notes somewhere. Thanks for fixing these. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:30, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Jason Lives: Friday the 13th, Part IV ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931475 this submission: The cover does not really matter - if the title page says IV, that's what we use - and we add a note explaining the discrepancy. It is most likely a typo in the DB BUT as there is an active Primary verifier, please discuss with them before you change a title. Thanks! I will keep the submission on hold until you clarify the matter with the PV. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:16, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives is a film that came out in 1986 and this was the novelization; here is a webpage, [https://www.ebay.com/p/1359743], with a VI on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:12, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: There is an active PV. They may be holding a book with a mistake on the title page in which case we will want to keep a record of both. The whole point of the primary verification is that someone has a book in hand. Please discuss the change with him. We work as a team here - which means that if there is an active PV who can check the book they verified, we ensure that we do not lose data or a weird variant... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:19, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Castle of Lost Souls ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Do you plan on adding the first edition for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931465 this]? If not, there needs to be added a note to the title record explaining the earlier date (or it will be re-dated again once it pops up on a report for dates mismatch). If yes, I will approve it so you can add the first edition. This is the kind of information that needs to be in the moderator notes so we know how to proceed :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:19, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Previous editor entered American publisher but used cover of original British edition, said format was tp when it was actually pb, entered wrong price, etc. I added all proper info for American edition; anyone who wants to enter original British edition can do so if they can find correct info; the cover that I replaced I'm assuming is the British one. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:21, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Which is ok. But I asked if you plan to add the British edition now that you sorted out the American one? If not, we need a note about the provenance of the date on the title record. I assume this is a no so I will approve and finish your edit by adding the needed note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:24, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Done. The note is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?27670 here]. This will ensure that the title does not re-dated to match its only edition (we have a report on that and it will get redated without a note sooner or later - thus the questions above). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:27, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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Here's something I just noticed while sorting this out; the price previous editor entered, $2.95, was technically correct because the cover for the American edition available on Amazon says so. However, [https://gamebooks.org/Item/42/Show] clearly shows a cover with $2.50 as the price but the same ISBN so I assume that's the original edition. What printing the $2.95 version was is anyone's guess since they reprinted these gamebooks endlessly. Another slight difference is the $2.50 cover says "A Berkley/Pacer book" while the $2.95 one only says "Berkley/Pacer". So my record for the American edition will be correct if common $2.95 cover I carelessly added is replaced with rare $2.50 cover to match price on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:01, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Sounds like a later printing then. In such case, clone the 2.50 book to add a new 2.95 one, add "Unknown later printing" in the notes and date of 0000-00-00 and a note on how exactly the publisher is credited (the Publisher field will have the same value). Then we have both covers and both prices and if someone every finds the 2.95 book, we can get more details about it. I do not like stubs when we have a choice but a stub record is better than none and we know the 2.95 exists - so let's start building it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Case of Need ==<br />
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The only source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4934934 this book] is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Case_of_Need Wikipedia]. There is no price in the source. Where is the price coming from? We need to add the source of it to the notes. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:22, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: [https://www.biblio.com/book-collecting/by-year/mystery-books/1960-1969]; [http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/447768635/]<br />
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:: Approved and updated the notes to indicate the source. Please add source notes for any piece of information you add that is not from a book you are verifying. That minimizes the chance of mistakes and ensures that our data is properly sourced. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:23, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Long After Dark ==<br />
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Changing the date alone like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935202 this] is not that helpful. Someone is just going to come along later and change it back thinking it's an error since it doesn't match the pubs and there is no other data provided. At a minimum, please provide a title note stating something like "Originally published in 2010 as a limited edition hardcover". But better, enter the missing edition so we actually have a record for it. See {{P|827946|here}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:42, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I come across records all the time which have 1 or more editions entered but the date at the top is earlier than any of them, but there's no note mentioning anything about it. I've created several records for original editions because the whole book is on archive.org or elsewhere, but those Delirium hardcover limited editions are rare as heck so I don't feel comfortable entering an entire record based on a few pictures and possibly inaccurate info from sellers on eBay. Entering an earlier date just lets people know there was one; if anyone owns a copy they can enter specific info on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:50, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::The existence of problematic records does not mean we should create more. Title dates should match the first publication in the database or have information provided. We have a cleanup report to catch and fix them, but there is a lot of stuff to do on the database. It is easy enough to add a title explaining why there is an earlier date. And given your tendency to complain about "lazy editors", I am surprised you would object to doing so. As for eBay, when it has a picture of the title and copyright pages, that is more than sufficient to create the stub pub record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:31, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The King of America ==<br />
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What is the source for the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937228 here]? Unless you really enjoy needing to answer on your Talk page, you can start adding notes inside of the notes field: "Price from cover/newspaper records/wherever applies" showing where you found the price". If it is the cover here, it is so blurry that it is not visible so... <br />
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If you do not start adding notes, all requests like this one will end up in the same way - with someone asking you for source, you responding, then someone approving and then editing to add a note... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:01, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf] is where. I enter a mountain of info on ISFDB at a rapid pace and don't enter anything unless I'm sure; I also go back over my previous approved edits and find new info I didn't enter/fix occasional mistakes. The price isn't blurry if you go to that PDF and magnify to 500%, then it's clear. Among my many different areas of interest since I became an editor is fixing/adding info for all these "adult" novels. Whichever editors entered info over the many years before I started left out many easily found covers, different editions, Catalog ID #'s, prices, etc. and made many mistakes which I'm fixing. It's a tangled mess but I'm doing my usual good job. What I find interesting is many entries have no notes for anything that was entered or where they found the info. So asking me to verify how I discovered the price for a 50-year-old porn novel is amusing. If you want to enter the fact that the price was verified by magnifying a photo on a porn PDF, feel free. Reading through these message boards and seeing the childish arguing and name-calling between moderators and other editors is not my thing. I'm all about the books. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:23, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have no issues with you being right. But all of this information that is wrong was added by someone who thought they were right - possibly from a faulty source, possibly by making a mistake while copying. It is a community effort - in a DB of your own, your word is enough; here we try to verify. Thus the "please list your sources in the notes". That way someone can verify later on - and 5 years from now we do not have someone else in the same boat you are in now - looking at data which we may have as well invented because there is no information where it comes from. Had this rule (list your sources unless you are PVing -- when the source is the book) been followed consistently through the years, we would not have that much to fix now. As you had seen, the older the record, the more likely it is that there are no sources at all... Allowing more of the information to go in the DB without sources multiplies the problems. So we are trying to ensure that we have sources now - for everything.<br />
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:: Catalog ID is a new field - it did not exist until ~5 years ago. There are a few more of these fields on the page - so unless the editor bothered to add the info into the notes, there was no space for the information. The covers are now easy to find, 15 years ago it was not that easy :) Some of these records are really really old. <br />
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:: I will be very honest here - if you do not add notes and just keep submitting edits with no sources, it increases the time for a moderator to process your edit (because they need to come ask you or do all the digging you did on their own, eventually finding the same and then approve and update after you) so your submissions will get backed up more and more. The cleaner and more complete your edits are, the easier to process, the faster they will get cleared. If all you care is the data and the books, I expect that you would like to ensure that the data is actually sourced properly so someone does not undo your work based on what they consider a definitive source (which disagrees with what you added)? :) <br />
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:: I will approve and fix the note for this one now. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:40, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?601551 done]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:44, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== In Flagrant Delight ==<br />
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The price of the US edition was on the cover so I just updated the notes with that post approval but where is the one for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937063 the UK one] coming from? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:18, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937180 Satyr Trek] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937182 The Erotic Spectacles] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937183 The Power and the Pain]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:39, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.amazon.com/Flagrant-Delight-Brian-McNaughton/dp/0700414800]; Satyr Trek's price is in upper right of front cover; [https://www.amazon.com/Erotic-Spectacles-Genghis-Cohen/dp/0700414703]; [https://www.amazon.com/power-pain-Charles-Platt/dp/0700414207]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:32, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated on all of these. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:39, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Frankenstein '69 ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937067 this one].<br />
* The ISBN is incomplete. The correct one is 0700412603. Easy to fix BUT there was a bigger problem<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/Frankenstein-69-Ed-Martin/dp/0700412603 Amazon.com] claims 1969 but [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Frankenstein-69-Ed-Martin/dp/0700412603 Amazon UK] says 1972. Amazon can be a real pain for older books like this one and their dates are anything but reliable especially on import editions. [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/display.do?tabs=moreTab&ct=display&fn=search&doc=BLL01002399343&indx=1&recIds=BLL01002399343&recIdxs=0&elementId=0&renderMode=poppedOut&displayMode=full&frbrVersion=&vid=BLVU1&dscnt=0&vl(freeText0)=0700412603&dstmp=1615839843736 The British library] agrees with Amazon UK. So does [https://www.worldcat.org/title/frankenstein-69/oclc/877216035 OCLC]. So I approved your submission but fixed the sources and the date. Please be careful with the Amazons - the US one is bad for UK dates and vice versa regardless of age (and the older the book, the less reliable they get).<br />
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The result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828073 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:29, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: <nods head vigorously> At one point I spent a significant amount of time working with Amazon's pre-1995 records. Some of them were extremely precise, e.g. some 1960s records had the correct date of publication stated. Others were off by multiple years. I suspect that at some point Amazon imported multiple third party databases (of variable quality) into their main system. We have to be extra careful with their old data because there is no way of telling where this or that record originally came from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:37, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And it is even worse for data from across the pond (in either direction). The somewhat good news is that most of the books from the 60s and 70s have BL records in UK if they belong there and OCLC ones for both US and UK books so that can help figure things out... Goodreads can be also good but a lot of their data is imported from Amazon and not cleaned up later so some of it has the same issues as Amazon. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:49, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Night Fear ==<br />
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The only sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937275 this] are the various verifications and external IDs. None of these have the page numbers. We need a source for them. I know you have a link somewhere - can you please share? And we need to note if it is based on table of contents or based on checking each title page one by one (a lot of books have discrepancies). I will approve and update but I need to know where these numbers are coming from... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:16, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.deadsouls.co.nz/shop/roy-torgeson-ed-frank-belknap-long-night-fear/]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:17, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:21, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== If God Wanted Us to Travel ... ==<br />
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Source for the month in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936820 this update]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:49, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Same question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936641 King, of the Khyber Rifles]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/ifgodwantedustot00bren]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
[http://www.locusmag.com/index/b347.htm]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:07, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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== The Earthquake Machine ==<br />
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Thanks for finding the artist [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?454505 here] but next time can you please also update the note because they way you left the book was with an artist added, no source for the artist and a note inside that there is not credit in the book and that the signature is unreadable... which is a contradiction and throws into question both the notes and the artist credit. Fixed the note after approval. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:54, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Assault on a Queen ==<br />
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Can you be a bit more precise about the source [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936723 here]? This is like saying "google it". :) Exact link will be helpful. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:57, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/8325/jack-finney/assault-on-a-queen]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:04, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and a note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Alabaster Hand ==<br />
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Source for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935814 page numbers]? And if it is a scan of the contents page, we should be able to resolve the notes issue as well (on what is included from the introductions and so on)... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:19, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And for the intro and the limitation number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935790 Mist and Other Ghost Stories] and the complete contents in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935785 the import]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/a-n-l-munby-the-alabaster-hand-and-other-ghost-stories-sundial-supernatural-press-2013-25-300?variant=8795937276003]<br />
[https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/richmal-crompton-mist-and-other-ghost-stories-sundial-supernatural-2015-limited-edition-265?variant=8885791916131]<br />
--[[User:Username|Username]] 01:41, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:08, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Her Magic Spell ==<br />
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I suspect that source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935862 this] is the cover as for the rest of these but as we do not have a cover, I need a visible source somewhere... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:27, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:43, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:10, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bride of Satan ==<br />
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Source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935875 this price]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:42, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:44, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:11, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Astrosex ==<br />
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Month source [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936301 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:51, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936303 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:52, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936304 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936305 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And a few more: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936306 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936307 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:55, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:18, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: These are approved and notes added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:35, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Keeper of the Children ==<br />
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Price source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936244 this edit]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:03, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936250 this one]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:03, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://picclick.com/Keeper-of-the-Children-by-William-H-Hallahan-233031460644.html]; [https://picclick.com/William-Hallahan-The-Search-For-Joseph-Tully-402035732963.html]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:16, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:38, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Halloween Horrors ==<br />
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Link to the contents page you unearthed for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936899 this]? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://fantlab.ru/edition185627]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:26, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: External ID and note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:41, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Masques ==<br />
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Source for the price of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828162 this one]? Fantlab does not have it (neither it have the back flap so I suspect you have the jacket somewhere and the price is from there?) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:28, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://picclick.com/Bill-Pronzini-MASQUES-A-NOVEL-OF-401742298339.html]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:31, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note added and external ID put in place. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:43, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Surrounded ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936013 Source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:50, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And more of these: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936007 price?], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936019 price?], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936031 price?] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558832 this one]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:09, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: [https://archive.org/details/cinemaoffantasti00stei]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:51, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Please remember to specify your sources when creating submissions. Not only does the lack of sources create more work for the reviewing moderator, but, more likely than not, it also creates more work for you because you'll need to dig them up again in order to respond to moderator queries.<br />
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:::: In addition, you are a relatively new contributor, so moderators are more likely to make allowances, but eventually they will become less likely to work on your submissions, which will affect the approval time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:44, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(unident) OK - that link cleared [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936031 Cinema of the Fantastic]. What about the other 4? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/faceoffearnove00coff]; [https://archive.org/details/surrounded00coff]; [https://archive.org/details/bloodrisk00coff_0]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And that leaves [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558832 The Sweat of Fear] ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935960 originally] which got approved by mistake last night but I did not reverse as I am sure you have a source)? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:16, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/sweatoffear00denn]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: ALl updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:31, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Paul Durst 1986/1990 ==<br />
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Mysteryfile.com may say 1990, it also has a [http://mysteryfile.com/blog/?p=33611#comment-7081383 letter by his daughter] that states "My father actually was buried on the day the Challenger blew up in 1986 in January, I had come from the States to his funeral.".--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:15, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Odd; makes me wonder where they got 1990 from and why they didn't read that letter themselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:26, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Rainbird Pattern ==<br />
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And the source for the price and the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940398 this one]? Also - looking at the cover, are you sure this artist has an artist credit and not just a designed credit (if the latter, he goes only in the notes). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:06, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The cover I provided has an openlibrary.org URL which is a project of Internet Archive, so a cover with their name in the URL usually links to a book on archive.org except when there's no copy available. That's where the price came from on the front flap and it also says "JACKET BY" Wendell Minor. It doesn't say design otherwise I wouldn't have entered it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:45, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: If you are using OpenLibrary for anything BUT the cover image, it needs to be noted in the Notes and in the external IDs. Plus tracking down the Open Library ID from the cover ID is as easy as finding the Amazon record from the Amazon cover IDs. If you cannot be bothered to post the link or the ID at least in the moderator notes and preferably in the proper places, you are asking the handling moderator to do all the research again - and your submissions will stay on the board for days and possibly weeks until someone has time to do all the work and verifications needed. If you start adding notes or at least all the links, it will go a lot smoother.<br />
:: In this case, the OL ID is OL4789610W which has absolutely nothing to do with the image ID: 10015820-L. You should not expect people to jump through 100 sites to find the correct books and images and sites you are using. <br />
:: Can you share where you saw the front flap? (Archive.org - got it. Will update) "Jacket By" means design usually on non-pictorial covers so I will change the notes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: OK... [https://archive.org/details/rainbirdpattern00cann/page/n1/mode/2up here is the book] on archive.org. Where exactly do you see "Jacket by Wendell Minor"? It is not on the copyright page, the title page on the front flap or the covers. And the back flap is not visible. Where did you see it? I may have missed it although I looked 3 times so can you point me to it? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:10, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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As I explained in 1 of my previous successes, I found that if you use the search icon (magnifying glass) you can access anything in any book even if you don't have an account at archive.org. That's how I find so many things no one else can. If you type "jacket", it gives 9 entries, the last of which takes you to the BACK FLAP where it says "JACKET BY WENDELL MINOR". --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And you could have explained that in the notes. Again - unless you link to your sources (and/or explain where they are so they are easily found), you are asking someone to redo your work. Which someone will eventually - but it takes a lot longer than it should. The book itself does not contain the back flap UNTIL you search with a specific term. Figuring out the term and using it takes time and effort. It may be easy for you because you do it on every book but people are not in your head. In this case just posting the URL for the search [https://archive.org/details/rainbirdpattern00cann/page/248/mode/2up?q=flap this one] with a (cover credit from backflap) note would have been enough. Takes about 2 seconds and saves the handling moderator of trying to connect the dots (and needing to ask you on every update). The more details you post in the notes/moderator notes, the easier it will be to work your submissions and the more likely is that they are not left on the board for long periods of time. Note updated! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:38, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tarzan of the Movies: A Pictorial History of More Than Fifty Years of Edgar Rice Burroughs' Legendary Hero ==<br />
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Price source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940610 this one]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:46, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/tarzanofmovies00esso]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:05, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No flaps visible. Nor is the price inside of the book (copyright page or contents or any other visible pages). The search for flap, price, $ or exact price does not find it either. So where is the price coming from? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:17, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tarzan-of-the-Movies-Hardcover-Book-1968-Gabe-Essoe-/293833386148]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:25, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note edited, source added in the moderator notes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:29, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Harlot Killer ==<br />
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The cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940655 of our book] clearly shows 25 cents. The cover [https://picclick.com/The-Harlot-Killer-Jack-the-Ripper-essays-book-193627208436.html#&gid=1&pid=1 in your source] shows clearly 35 cents. Which will make your source a later unindentified printing (not all publishers are nice enough to enumerate printings on their copyright pages). I approved the change for the page numbers but pulled back the price change (and added a note for the provenance of the numbers) and cloned for the 0.35 copy. If you can find a cover for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828729 0.35 book], that will be useful. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Typos in text fields ==<br />
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When you are correcting a typo in a text field such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940753 here], put in the moderator notes either the replacement (Frederic -> Fredric) or just the word you are fixing (typo: Frederic). That helps seeing the change quickly when reviewing your change and it also remains in the record moderator notes if someone wants to find out what you changed at some later point. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:27, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Exit to Eden ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940756 Price source?]: "price found many places online" is the same as saying "google it". Please point one place where you found it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:31, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/05/24/Books/3347485755200/]; [https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Exit-Eden-Rampling-Anne-Rice-Arbor/7744968713/bd]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 06:46, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Orphan ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940591 Price source?] If it is the cover by any chance, please provide a link to a better cover - there is something in the top right corner but this image is unreadable. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:35, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/774984696/the-orphan-by-samantha-mellors-published?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:19, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Delectus Books ==<br />
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Source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940875 this]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:06, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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My previous edit on pending list for Delectus edition of Wolf in the Garden has a link to It Goes on the Shelf as explained in the note, which is where the address is. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:25, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Different moderators can handle different edits. Each edit should have a source. I am not going to chase another note somewhere so please provide a source. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:49, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://fanac.org/fanzines/IGOTS/igotsnew15.htm]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:52, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated and year added to the note. Publishers move in 25 years so dating our addresses helps :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:18, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Of Pigs and Spiders ==<br />
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Not sure who you are talking to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940268 here] (you know that there is more than one moderator and only the one handling the submission usually sees the note, right?) but it would have taken a lot less time to actually link the sources you are using instead of complaining about a previous note. Please share your sources for all the changes you are making in this submission. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:11, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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It says locusmag.com in my note; that's where the info came from. I was responding to the usual rude, angry note from Dirk, who has been rude and angry since my start here last December. One of my very first edits was greeted with a rude reply from him, so it's nothing new. His rudeness spurred me to look for more info, which led me to locusmag.com and a bunch of new stuff which I entered here, so I thanked him for that. Sarcasm TRUMPs rudeness. I saw in another discussion he had with someone else that he was complaining about how much work he has to do and how ISFDB needs more moderators and how he was thinking of giving up and just reading a book instead, so maybe he's burnt out. I notice from their bios that many moderators here are seniors so perhaps younger, more enthusiastic moderators who are familiar with books written in the last 30 years are needed. If you really needed to know who I was talking to you could've looked at my rejected edits and seen his name there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:42, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Link to the exact place on the site you are using as source? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:53, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr1999/t2.htm#A60]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:03, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: The March date comes from Amazon.com (among other sources) - which may or may not be valid (1999 is old enough so I do not trust them too much on dates). Are we absolutely sure that this August release is not just the signed edition? Let me do some more digging before I approve to see if it seems like a single run of 333 was ever issued. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:28, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Teacher's Pet ==<br />
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The price is on the front flap. Where is the artist credited on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4941642 this one]? The back flap is not visible so if it is there, I need your search criteria that makes it visible. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:49, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/teacherspet00tayl]; search "jacket". --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:46, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:11, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Old Australian currency (pre 14 February 1966) ==<br />
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Hi, I altered the price to 4/9 and mentioned in the notes that the price is in Australian shillings and pences.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 17:47, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Starlog covers ==<br />
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Per ISFDB standards, we don't enter covers are cover credits for non-genre magazines unless the cover illustrates a speculative fiction story. I have started [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Starlog|a discussion]] on the community portal regarding the status of {{S|33627|Starlog}}. As it had a film focus and not a written speculative fiction focus, it would not seem to be considered genre by ISFDB standards. You are welcome to chime in there is you have an opinion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:40, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hands of Cain ==<br />
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Hi, regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_new.cgi?4947992 The Hands of Cain]: Why 1976? especially when you want to assign a price of £0.25....Inflation was rampant in the UK during those days, so £0.25 for 1976 is definitely off. Would you like me to change the date to 0000-00-00, meaning 'unknown'?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:07, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Worldcat link gives year as 1976 and gives page count, so those can stay, but no price so just leave that blank. If anyone checks a physical copy, info can be updated. The unique cover for this edition is the main point of interest. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:19, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Picclick.com / Contento in notes ==<br />
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Hi, picclick.com has no stable links, just like Contento/Fiction Mags Index, only worse: they go went the book is sold. Contento keeps adding content in between, so info keeps shifting page.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:25, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bride of Darkness ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953431 Source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:32, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Source is bright black .50 at top of cover, easily seen without magnifying. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:25, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: What may be easily visible for you on your monitor may not be the case for someone with vision issues or smaller/older screens. And images disappear - sometimes whole sites fall down, sometimes single images disappear due to mistakes or mishaps. This is why it is important to add notes explaining where the data is from in the Notes so even if someone cannot see the image for one reason or another, they can track the data (and check it on their copy if they have it). <br />
:: Approved and note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:27, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Unfortunately, this is true even with Amazon-hosted images, especially more recently. Amazon used to preserve Web pages for superseded editions, but it irritated authors, publishers and readers alike, so eventually they changed their policy. I don't know how it works internally on their end, but I have seen images replaced after the fact. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:18, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: At least for now the /I/ images seem to stay stable - although you are right that Amazon is now updating the old pages on reissue and linking to a different /I/ image - making a mess of any old records. Although I worry sometimes that they may decide to start deleting /I/ images that are not connected anywhere anymore - they are a bookseller after all, historical covers don’t really interest them (although I hope the marketplace is enough of a reason for them not to delete them). We will cross that bridge when/if we get to it (one hopes it never happens). In all cases, adding text notes on where the data is exactly is important. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:36, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Adult Version of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4951557 source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:56, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Source is top left cover where it says Calga Publishers; it's blurry but legible, and all other Calga books on ISFDB are under same name. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:20, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Roaring Tower and Other Short Stories ==<br />
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Sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4951521 these changes]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:57, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: pages: https://www.worldcat.org/title/roaring-tower-and-other-short-stories/oclc/776781492; first library on Worldcat's page, NYPL, has info about stories' pub. history; price: https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1930-01-01/1939-12-31?basicsearch=%22stella%20gibbons%22&phrasesearch=stella%20gibbons&newspapertitle=the%2Bsphere (also, ISFDB says "Short Stories" in title but cover says "Stories"; title page needed to verify). --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:10, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: That leaves only "hc". Is that an assumption based on the cover and price? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:02, 7 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== A Shoal of Time ==<br />
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Which "Hamilton's 1972 collection" for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4954164 this update]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:10, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: There's only 1 1972 collection on Hamilton's ISFDB page: FLIES ON THE WALL. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:13, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which does not necessarily mean that this is the only Hamilton 1972 collection - we keep finding editions and books even for authors we think we have everything cataloged for. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:32, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghost Flight ==<br />
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What is the source of the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4952028 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:15, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Source is the price printed on the cover, left side; Amazon page allows you to magnify and it clearly says $2.25. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:16, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Exorcist cover artist ==<br />
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You submitted a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4952510 name change] for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2055023 cover artist] for a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585356 primary-verified copy of a book], but you didn't contact the PV to verify the spelling of the cover artist. Please contact them to verify the spelling of the artist's name as found in the copy of the book they have. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:34, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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PV hasn't contributed since 2017. Also, ISBN-10 on ISFDB entered verbatim into openlibrary.org finds only a 1987 Bantam book named Sweeny's Honor, and entering it on Google verbatim brings up exactly 1 site, this one; entering it without dashes brings up a few pages of mostly Sweeny's Honor, but also a Worldcat page for the Exorcist and a Google Books Exorcist copy, plus sites that say "Sweeny's Honor" and "William Peter Blatty" together. So not only is artist name likely misspelled by the PV and art on this edition probably isn't even by him anyway but the ISBN is probably wrong or mixed up, too. So I've moved on to a hundred other things since I made this edit and now leave it up to you whether to do anything to correct these problems. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:08, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:That's not the way things work here. We are not here to do everything for you. While we appreciate your contributions, we need to to contribute things within the rules of the site. Please post a note about this to the PV's talk page, and (since you say they haven't contributed since 2017) to the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]]. We can't be making changes just because you ''think'' the PV ''might'' have made a mistake. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:06, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Encyclopaedia of Horror ==<br />
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I approved your cover scan of this pub. Looking at the ISBN in bookfinder.com, most of the copies of the book for sale are in Europe and the sellers seem consistent in maintaining the given spelling of Encyclopaedia. The cover shown is the same as you proposed. I suspect that the book was published in both the U.S. and G.B., with the spelling depending on the country where published. Maybe the cover with the Brit spelling is available somewhere, but I haven't found it. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:12, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Rootabaga Stories ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960928 this submission]: When adding Internet Archive links, please ensure they are for the same edition and printing. The record you are editing is for the first printing, but the Internet Archive scan is of the fifth printing (as can be seen on the copyright page). You are welcome to clone the publication and make a record for the fifth printing. You can then add the Internet Archive link to that record. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:00, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cartoon: "By George, Kincaid, we we're right!" ==<br />
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Hello, I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953361 your edit] on hold for a moment as I'm wondering if you can you confirm this isn't a typo in the magazine? If it is, it should stay as-is, and a note added to clarify.If you don't have a reference at hand, it's good practice to check in with the primary verifiers who can confirm. Thank you, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:42, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/Amazing_Stories_v31n10_1957-10_cape1736]; page 82 shows the correct spelling. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:59, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Perfect! Thank you, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:03, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Ghosties and Ghoulies'' and ''Tomorrow, Inv.'' page numbers ==<br />
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Hi. What's the source of the page numbers for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953811 this submission] (''Ghosties and Ghoulies'')? There's no comment, and you didn't make yourself a verifier. I don't see anything in any of the linked secondary sources. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:47, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Same question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953811 this submission] (''Tomorrow, Inc.''). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:50, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/edition135000; https://fantlab.ru/edition267370. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sources II ==<br />
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Hi. When you add data from a secondary source, be sure to adjust the publication notes to reflect the source of the data. Information in notes to the moderator is helpful to the person processing the submission, but those do not become part of the record itself. So, for example, while making the publication date on {{P|588303|Konga}} more specific based on the picture you found on picclick is fine -- and giving me a pointer in the moderator notes was indeed helpful -- the source still needs to be documented in the publication record. I have done that in this case, so just something to keep in mind for future submissions. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:00, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantlab ==<br />
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FYI, the "External IDs" feature (on publications) knows about Fantlab. So if you find a relevant entry on Fantlab, you can link to it using their edition number. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:26, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: It's a Russian-language site, so as a proud American I don't feel comfortable linking to them; I enter info here for people to see. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: One thing to note is that we are a strictly bibliographic site. As such, we do not let our individual political, national, ethnic, ideological and other non-bibliographic preferences affect what we do here. Even our data acquisition robot, [[User:Fixer]], has reluctantly agreed not to pursue his AI supremacy agenda here :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:38, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Also, while they are a valuable source of info their quality control is awful (like many other sites); frequently info they write themselves is wrong, so I only enter info from actual photos of the books or if that's not possible I double-check their written info with at least 1 other site to make sure they got it right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: You cannot have it both ways: If you are using them, you need to give them credit for the information (covers and/or data) and here, that means using the external ID and/or the templates (if you are using other edition's data). If you are not comfortable linking to them because of your nationality, then stop using them and stop plagiarizing their data with no attribution. <br />
:: This behavior is against the site's (Fantlab's) rules: "Любое использование материалов сайта допускается только с указанием активной ссылки на источник." which roughly translates as "Site materials can be used only if an active link to the source is included." If you are not willing to conform to their rules, you should NOT use any of their data. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:21, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: It all comes down to the same basic principle which has been repeatedly mentioned on this Talk page and elsewhere -- we need to state our sources. When adding data from FantLab, OCLC or another secondary source, we need to mention which FantLab/OCLC/etc record number the data comes from.<br />
::: If you find that a particular secondary source is not always reliable and use another secondary source to double-check the data, that's perfectly fine, but it needs to be documented in Notes. For example, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430831 this publication record], which says "Price stamped on the front flap of the original dust jacket as per Biblio.com and confirmed in Latrobe Bulletin." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:38, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Request about prices ==<br />
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Hello. I have a request. As you're doing very valuable work and, a.o., are adding missing prices, could you also add in the notes field the other currencies as well (if present of course). The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Price rules text] says: <br><br />
''British books are often priced for several other commonwealth countries such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Malta, Gibraltar, South Africa, East Africa, Trinidad (W.I.), and countries with a significant English-speaking population such as Spain and the Republic of Ireland. '''These additional prices are usefully entered in notes'''. Some of these countries also have pre-decimal formats based on the British pound and post-decimal formats similar to Dollar prices, and some have changed yet again to € (Euro) prices. If in doubt, enter these in notes exactly as stated.''<br><br />
That would be really appreciated. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:03, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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And also, as MartyD already pointed out above, could you add sources to the notes (or in the weblink multifield, as appropriate). Thanks! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:20, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== She Waits ==<br />
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Hello, I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4956535 your submission] on hold, as it says 'bad checksum' for the ISBN you updated, but you didn't provide a reference for us to check. Can you double-check and provide a reference here? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:18, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Upper right cover corner; I just checked https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/664652801/she-waits-by-henry-clement-1975-vintage, and there's a photo of the spine with the same ID, so if it's wrong it wouldn't be the first time a book had a bad ISBN; what the right one is, I don't know. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:05, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hi folks. I was just passing through and noticed this. The ID on the cover of that book is an SBN, not an ISBN, and the -125 at the end is actually the $1.25 price. See [[Help:Screen:EditPub#ISBN|EditPub help]] for a little bit about this situation. One could derive an ISBN from it by adding the leading 0, dropping the price, and adding the missing checksum -- 2 in this case -- ending up with 0-445-00283-2. A favorite site of mine for ISBN analysis is https://www.isbn-check.com/ . Whether that is correct/appropriate or not, I don't know, but [https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0445002832/ Amazon agrees]. Current policy allows use of the derived ISBN on the record, with a note citing the fact that it's derived and providing the stated SBN. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:30, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks Marty. Approved & fixed the ISBN per Marty's explanation. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:42, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Is your caps lock stuck? ==<br />
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Please do not shout in notes (moderator ones and even more importantly the publication notes). <br />
Fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375229 here]. Also please add in the note where in the book you find some information. Saying "PRICE FROM COPY ON INTERNET ARCHIVE" can mean anything from proper price to a sticker or a note somewhere. Specifying that the price is on the front flap allows a user to find it in their copy. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:47, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I did that so info I add stands out from other info; when I revisit records to fix or add (as I do constantly) it helps to know what's mine. I've already done about a dozen edits this morning, but if it annoys you future edits will have lowercase letters. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:02, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: This is a public database, not your private sandbox. Shouting in any notes (or the wiki pages) is not acceptable. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:29, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== If It Had Happened Otherwise ==<br />
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When you post the source as [https://picclick.com/If-It-Happened-Otherwise-edited-by-JCSquire-124248007500.html this link] and nothing more, there are 12 images and some text on this page. If the handling moderator knows where to look, the front flap image is an obvious target. However, not everyone does (or had seen the site before) so it can take a long time to look through all of the images and find what you had seen there (and you can even miss it on a first pass if you do not know where it is supposed to be - some of these angled images can be a pain). <br />
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If you add "image 4" to the link in your moderator note and inside of your publication note you state "Price from the front flap (seen on a copy in picclick.com)" or "Price from the front flap (seen on a copy online)", that saves time for the processing moderator AND they do not need to rewrite your note. See how it looks [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?381932 now] compared to your "PRICE FROM COPY ON PICCLICK.". Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:55, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Username, this has been a recurring issue with your submissions and is becoming a problem for ISFDB moderators. Keep in mind that we process anywhere from 350,000 to 450,000+ submissions per year. If moderators had to spend as much time on researching every submission as they spend on your submissions, the approval process would slow down to a crawl. This is unacceptable. At this rate many moderators may simply stop working on your submissions since their time would be better spent elsewhere. In addition, the current situation wastes your time since moderators frequently ask you to clarify your sources. All of the above can be easily fixed by explicitly stating where the information comes from in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:13, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Currently I have 250 or so edits awaiting approval. Many are cover images which don't require any notes so those are ready and waiting to be approved. As I explained somewhere here not long ago, the reason I leave info in moderator notes is firstly because when moderator checks they may find I made an error (although that rarely happens), and secondly because info that's entered in notes is not read by most people who use ISFDB, according to everything I've read on message boards; people mainly use it to find covers for old books they remember reading in their youth or to find where stories are, since many people request fiction from old mags and books through interlibrary loan and need to know exactly what pages to request (I've done that many times myself). --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: The ISFDB has tens of thousands of users and dozens of major contributors. They are all interested in somewhat different aspects of our data: individual authors, early pulps, works in certain languages, art, etc. If you want to concentrate on the types of data that is of interest to a certain subset of ISFDB users, e.g. the readers of certain message boards who wants to see old book covers, that's great. However, all submissions should meet a minimum set of standards, including stating where the data comes from. As I indicated below, this is non-negotiable. We make allowances for new editors who are still learning the ropes, but you have created over 4,000 submissions and have been repeatedly informed about this issue, so you are well past that point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:40, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Although I have found many rare books and entered much info not found on any other sites, a large part of my time here is entering hundreds (thousands?) of missing covers and entering page #'s/verifying story titles, because I know that's what most of the people out there want. Going forward I think I will concentrate mainly on adding more covers and page #'s/corrected titles, since adding missing hardcover prices from their flaps or exact month of publication from copyright pages or whatever else requires adding note minutiae I'm not good at, obviously. Also, I think I shall return to what I originally was best at, the finding of rare stuff nobody else can. If I do the occasional edit from now on that requires notes, I'll remember to add them myself so no moderators will be upset. While we're all making suggestions here, let me take this opportunity to make some of my own. When approving my edits, moderators should try to start from the bottom and work their way up. They often approve at random and miss my notes from a prior edit related to a later one. Also, I've made dozens of entries spread out on all the wikis (Community, Help, Moderator, Verification) with many questions/interesting info/requests, etc. A few have been answered, sometimes helpfully, but most have gotten no responses, so let's get some. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Questions and observations about specific bibliographic topics may or may not be answered or commented upon depending on whether we have active editors knowledgeable about the raised topic and on whether they have the time to do additional research. Sometimes it takes weeks or months before another editor chimes in and provides additional information. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:48, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Let's all try to stop criticizing unpaid volunteers and concentrate on literature, shall we? --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I'd like to chime in here. First (to get it out of the way), it's not because notes aren't read by most people that they shouldn't be entered - after all, there ''are'' people interested in knowing the source of the information available on ISFDB. That said, and as I've expressed earlier, you're doing a fine job of unearthing missing data. And it would make a hell of a lot of difference for us moderators (and for you too, since your submissions would be processed much faster) if you would add notes for us and other users along the lines Annie clarified above. It may get some used to, but I can't imagine that that would be an unsurmountable problem - at least from my perspective a win-win. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:17, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Sellers (I) ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4962654 this update]. There is not a single site listed OR a moderator note. Considering that this was sent in the last few minutes after you were reminded about the rules again, this looks like a deliberate refusal to actually follow the rules of participation on the site. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:51, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This is another example of how unsourced submissions waste everyone's time. It took me a number of Google searches and multiple minutes to find a source confirming that {{A|Peter Sellers (I)}} is the same person as the famous actor -- [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/anth/s233.htm Contento's "Miscellaneous Anthologies Index"]. Multiply it by 400,000 submissions per year and you can see how this is not a viable way of entering data into the database.<br />
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: BUREAUCRAT WARNING: If you continue refusing to clearly state where the data comes from in Notes, it will not only delay the processing of your submissions, but it will also fall under the "non-constructive or disruptive" clause of [[ISFDB:Policy]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:09, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::I had an edit approved by a moderator recently where I discovered the Peter Sellers who wrote "The Wastrel" was the famous actor but was mistakenly in the same record as the Peter Sellers who wrote genre fiction in the 80's and 90's. The anthology where "The Wastrel" appears, https://archive.org/details/knightsofmadness0000unse, has an intro by Peter Haining on p. 228 of the book confirming it's Sellers the actor, not the writer. Now that a separate record has been created for Sellers the actor I figured it would be good to fill in bio info and provide a photo, so that's what I did. I'm not deliberately trying to be confusing, it's that some moderators are less concerned about exactness and trust I know what I'm talking about. As I said above, once backlog of my edits are cleared I'm going to stick mostly to adding covers and finding and adding info not found anywhere else on the current web, which is what I was mostly doing when I first started here. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:37, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for the clarification. I have added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?292831 the title record] explaining where the identification of the author comes from. I have also changed "Peter Sellers (I)" to "Peter Sellers (actor)" as per [[Help:How to separate two authors with the same name]], which prioritizes the use of profession for disambiguation purposes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:46, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== And the Darkness Falls ==<br />
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Another one with no source (thanks for adding the note though): [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4962593 And the Darkness Falls]. <br />
: Where did you see the front flap?<br />
: As per the help page [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt for covers]: "The cover designer (as opposed to the cover artist) is only entered in this field if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field." If the only credit on this flap is for the design, then a cover is not added. If there is another credit somewhere, please provide a source.<br />
The edit will need to be rejected (so we do not create a cover that then will need to be cleaned up) but if you provide a link where the flap is visible, I will edit the book after that to include both the Jacket design information and the source. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:01, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I added external ID for Fantlab, which I was told to do by you recently, so I thought it was obvious where I got info from, but here it is: https://fantlab.ru/edition131050. See photo 6. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:40, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Adding an ID does not replace the note explaining the source. In the case of FantLab it provides the link that is required so that you can then attribute the exact information to them in the notes. Edit rejected and note and external ID added again as explained above. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:50, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Open library and covers ==<br />
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When you find the cover there, please also add the Open Library ID into the external IDs. While the links on the left usually lead to the Open Library book correctly (if there is an ISBN to use), this is not true for older books or in some cases where the ISBN is reused or Open Library has more than one version for this ISBN. No need to add a note unless there is something interesting in the record. See how I did it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207069 here]. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:02, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I've probably already added several covers from that site since the one you linked, but when I use their covers in future I'll try to remember to add the ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:07, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I'll add them to any I am approving if they cross my path. While it is not critical, it helps for non-verified books (showing that we are not the only ones believing that the book exists for example) and sometimes provide interesting details we lack (and which can go into the notes) :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Same request for FantLab covers (with the same reason). Fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?226381 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:32, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) One small note on Fantlab images. When you copy them directly, they contain at the end a session information (?r=1603912742 for example). Pull that out (anything after the ? and the ? itself) - while keeping them does not seem to cause any issues at the moment, it is unclear if it might in the future (the same reason why we clean Amazon images from all Amazon formatting). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:20, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Nine Rocks / Internet Archive links ==<br />
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Hello. Just an FYI - we record titles as they appear in the book. In the Nine Rocks case in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268366 this pub], this means that a new ''Nine Rocks'' title needed to be created, and then varianted to the original ''Nine Rocks in a Row'' title (I've done that here, have a look)<br />
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Also, when you are retrieving information from an Internet Archive copy, please add the link to the Webpages multifield iso buried into the Note to moderators. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:48, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Song in the House ==<br />
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When you have a link such as https://www.amazon.co.uk/Song-House-Ann-BRIDGE/dp/B003AQ2G5I (an ASIN based Amazon link), there are two ways to record it in a publication. <br />
* If it belongs to the book itself, as was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547479 here], just record the ASIN in the ASIN field and then just mention Amazon (the correct one of the 16) in the notes (which you did here already).<br />
* If you are using it for a credit but the link is NOT for this edition, you can use a template instead: <nowiki>{{ASIN|B003AQ2G5I}}</nowiki> for example. All templates can be found [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields here].<br />
As a rule, Amazon links are not to be recorded in the Webpages links - they are either ISBN10 based (in which case the ISBN carries them) or ASIN based (then we use the ASIN field). I fixed it in the linked book. Thanks for finding this one! Please note that the ASIN field is only used for ASINs starting with B, the number only ones are ISBN10 and we already have that higher on the page. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:19, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Forgetful Robot ==<br />
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Does "page #" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331270 here] means the "Pages" field or the page number for each story (aka the contents page numbers)? Also - let's use the word "number" and not "#" in sentences in the notes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:50, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Contents page numbers. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:53, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Note updated. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:44, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ghost Story Treasury ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960950 this variant]? As one of the anthologies has no contents, we need a source either with contents or showing one of them as a reissue of the other. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:07, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I found this, http://www.locusmag.com/index/b444.htm, which mentions first U.S. edition, so I think they're the same, just retitled; if not sufficient, just reject; children's books are often hard to get info for. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:34, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yep, that is good enough (the First U.S. edition (Kingfisher 1987) part at the end of the the US listing). I will add a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:14, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== British Books with two prices ==<br />
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You left a note about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?126061 this publication] which has both pre-decimal and decimal prices. If you check [[Template:PublicationFields:Price|this help section]], our policy is to reflect the pre-decimal price in the price field, so the existing record was incorrect. It's certainly also appropriate to reflect the decimal price in the notes. I'll correct this record, but wanted to call the standard to your attention. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:43, 15 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== It's for You ==<br />
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Where is the contents [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4959547 here] coming from? The Moderator note explains where the two dates are coming from but nothing about the rest of the stories or where the page numbers are coming from. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: https://www.amazon.com/Its-You-Keith-Minnion/dp/1950565084; (Look Inside). --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:13, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved with one note: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2855414 here] the date should be 2006, not 1989. We date the first appearance under that title. So I fixed that. And for the other story: we date when something is published officially; copyright and posting online can be added to the notes but are not used for dating. :) Thanks for finishing the contents. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:21, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== What Is Dungeons and Dragons? ==<br />
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If I approve [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4965935 this], it will change the data in a verified book. The PV is active so can you please discuss the change with him? If the credits are different, we will need variants. If they are the same, we need to fix BOTH the title records and the publications (once created, they need to be changed separately). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:23, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Apologies for interrupting, but FWIW, I had a copy of this as a kid (it may even still be lurking in a box somewhere at my parents' house) and I recall it having the 3 authors listed in this edit. My vague memory tells me that there wasn't much ISFDB-relevant in it though - maybe a chapter about fictional inspiration for RPGs - so I doubt it would be accepted as a new submission nowadays.<br />
: I notice [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?10337 John Butterfield] also has a bunch of earlier artwork for US pubs (at least the ones I've checked). I'm pretty sure that will be a different person - my (again very vague) recollection of this book is that the authors were all recent graduates from the same UK university, so it seems unlikely this person was also doing pro-art for US publishers 3-4 years earlier. I don't know how/where you might be able to prove that though... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 13:57, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which is fine and I do not disbelieve the edit. BUT there is an active PV on one of the books and the site policies and common courtesy require someone to talk to them because they have the book and can open it and check (despite being Transient - it was January 2021 so there is a chance they still have access or remember better than someone who saw it last century ... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:12, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And yeah - seems like two different people. Let me do some more digging. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Companion ==<br />
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I thought we agreed above that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4966265 this kind of updates] will have notes added as well. I approved the previous one and added the note. I will approve this one and update again but can you please ADD notes? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:37, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I've been trying to add more notes since the above discussion but an edit that includes only a price that's on the cover which is on the ISFDB record and wasn't entered by prior editor for whatever reason doesn't require a note; notes are for info not visible like copyright pages and hardcover prices and whatnot. This series had the same price for all 15 books so price was obvious, anyway. I do so many of these edits every day that it's very tiring to remember to enter every last note and external ID and whatever else you all want, but I have been adding more. Perhaps it would be better if you just reject anything that you find something wrong with and explain what you need in the rejection note rather than sending message after message on my talk page. Or maybe you should confine your approval of my edits to only cover images which don't require anything else and leave the other edits to someone else. Unlike someone who I read on ISFDB recently who was complaining about how long it was taking to approve his edits, I really don't care how long it takes. I just add entries constantly, and when moderators approve them, they approve them. Take as long as you want. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:02, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And all that can be added to the notes. I've mentioned before that there are users who have vision issues and some covers are not very clear. Adding a note takes a few seconds - either from your time or from someone else's. Asking a moderator to do it because you cannot be bothered is not very nice. No moderator should be approving edits with no clear sources in the notes - and some had been reminded to be careful around your edit because of your refusal to add notes. So if you ask the moderator team to reject any incomplete edits from you, we can do that easily enough. Instead I am trying to work with you so you do not lose your time finding information that will be rejected later. If you prefer straight rejections with explanation instead, sure - that works as well :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I would prefer any edit I make from now on that you find fault with to be rejected with a note saying what was wrong with it rather than sending a message to my talk page which is now extremely long; I'm tired of seeing that yellow bar pop up with another message complaining about something. My info is almost always correct because I verify every edit I make, so the problem is not with the quality but the process. I've noticed since our discussion above that I'm slowly moving away from adding hardcover flap prices and exact months and all the other minutiae I've been doing the last few months and going back to adding more cover images and finding rare info nobody else can like I was when I started, so sometime soon these "adding notes" talks will be moot because I won't be doing anything that requires them, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:33, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: One thing that I believe I mentioned earlier is that cover scan hosted by third party sites, including Amazon, can be transient. We have seen thousands of image URLS die over the years.<br />
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:::: On the other hand, the data that we store in the ISFDB database is backed up once a day, except for images, which are backed up once a week. We make our backups publicly available once a week and many people (all over the world) faithfully download them. In addition, our software is publicly available. Nothing short of a worldwide disaster on the level of dinosaur-killing asteroid will make it impossible to rebuild the ISFDB database. Think of any Note text that you add as your own personal slice of immortality :-)<br />
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:::: Re: price visibility, are you saying that you can easily read the price printed on [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51IWnJffnnL.jpg this cover scan]? If you are, you are better at pattern recognition that most humans. All I see is blurry white lines. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:49, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Swamp Witch ==<br />
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Please talk to the PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4966285 here]. This kind of changes should always be discussed with the PVs as you had been reminded more than once. Sometimes it may turn out that they have a slightly different edition than the one you found online. That's why we have the PV system. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:47, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I cancelled my submission. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:05, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Wikipedia as a source ==<br />
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Hi. A word of warning about Wikipedia as a source: You can't necessarily trust information in Wikipedia articles. It's best to look at the cited references and try to find the original source for the information in the article. We need to be careful about propagating assumptions and/or outright errors. For example, your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960968 proposed date change] for ''The Hunt for Red October'' based on Wikipedia's October 1, 1984. I poked around a little, and it's not clear October 1 is correct or the article's source for it. The [https://tomclancy.com/product/the-hunt-for-red-october Tom Clancy] site does say October 1, but the [https://www.usni.org/press/books/hunt-red-october ISNI Press] site says October 2.<br />
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BTW, I don't see why we shouldn't have listings for publications of that title. I'm checking to see what others think. I have your edit on hold. Assuming we should have publication records, a record for the first edition would be a better place to try to explain the above dating disagreement than in the title record. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:31, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:p.s. I got reminded of why we don't have publication records.... :-) Oh well. So I accepted the submission but removed the day (so just dated October 1984), and I added a note stating the publication date is uncertain, explaining the discrepancy and linking the above sources. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:14, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::The Catalog of Copyright #TX0001475353 puts 1984-10-03 as the official registered date of publication. The registration was accepted on 1984-10-29.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 10:03, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Nice find. I expanded the notes, adding that, with [https://publicrecords.copyright.gov/detailed-record/13828104 this link] (probably not permanent, but it looks likely to get a permanent replacement someday). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:22, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Linking translations ==<br />
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To link a translation to the original title, we use "Make This Title a Variant" -- the translation is the "child"/variant, and the original is the "parent"/canonical title. So where you discovered the missing introduction in {{P|368060|Cold House}}, the linking necessarily had to wait for the approval of your submission that added it. Then one could go to {{T|2298089|Einleitung (Das kalte Haus)}} and make it the variant of the newly added title, which I have done. Now both of the titles show the relationship to the other, and if you take a look at {{P|645515|Das kalte Haus}}, you'll see the German introduction is annotated as a translation of Ketchum's English introduction.<br />
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The complementary scenario exists when adding a new title that's a translation of an existing title -- the relationship between new and existing needs to be established in the other direction, but doing so still has to wait for the new title to be created. So what you did with making a note to the moderator about the translation relationship between the new title and the existing title is perfect; the moderator processing the submission can know to go make the variant relationship while processing the submission. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:45, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest: 1972 ''Exorcism''(s) ==<br />
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I can see the covers on the edition of Exorcism [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?835576 you submitted] and on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359576 previously existing record] are different, with both clearly showing the W101Z, $1.25 and Lexington Press. It would be interesting to know how those two editions are related. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:56, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Yes, it would; the publisher has no other books on ISFDB. This, http://www.bradmiddleton.ca/2020/02/exorcism-1971-by-eth-natasor-was-it.html, gives a good review of the book but just mentions the "alternate cover"; the reason I added that cover here is because it's an actual cover and not just some text on a black background like the other one, plus it's really stupid. I see that searching on Worldcat for "all editions" gives a 1972 Lexington House ed. but also a 1974 Manor Books ed., which I see you added 2 printings of, but Worldcat says the later ed. is also 190 pages, so you may want to add that, too; searching for Eth Natas gives only 2 hits, this book and an encyclopedia article which gives an error page if you click on it; searching for a Lexington House in Jamaica, N.Y. gives only this book so apparently they were one-and-done. This, https://www.etsy.com/listing/938956379/exorcism-witchcraft-possession-the-dead, shows the back cover of the Manor ed.; this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Exorcism-Eth-Natas/dp/0532122062, gives an ISBN. Hope this helps, MartyD. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:53, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== John R. Holt pseudonym of Raymond Giles? ==<br />
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I stumbled upon [https://www.librarything.com/author/holtjohnr this] LibraryThings statement. Currently those two authors are not linked with each other in the ISFDB. Do you agree that {{a|John R. Holt}} is a pseudonym of {{a|Raymond Giles}}? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:04, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Yes. It's mentioned several places on the web, but this is a good one: https://darkeyesoflondon.blogspot.com/2020/12/. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:33, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks for the confirmation. I've linked both authors and made Giles the canonical name. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:16, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Judgement vs. Judgment ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4972212 your edit] on hold for a moment. Could you check with SFJuggler (by leaving a note on his talk page) whether it's indeed a typo, or if it's written as Judg'''e'''ment Day on the title page instead? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:12, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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PV said it's his typo, and my edit is correct. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:27, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And approved! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:37, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fifth Season ==<br />
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On your submissions for "The Fifth Season" and "People of the Night". Looking at the pictures, both sure look like they are stapled and are therefor ph. And all the stories in "The Fifth Season" should be short stories; how can any story in a collection 40 pages long be anything else? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:20, 27 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Timothy Mulcahy ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4978840 this]? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:17, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:He has a website, timmulcahy.com, but I don't see any definite links between the stories in both records on ISFDB, so it can be rejected. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:43, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, unfortunately that website only mentions the "Birth Screams of Angels" story. I added the website to {{A|Tim Mulcahy}} based on that, but rejected the variant. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:19, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== A Different Drummer ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4984120 this submission]: Is the Internet Archive copy you found [https://archive.org/details/differentdrummer00kell_1 this one]? Or is there another version I'm not seeing? The reason I ask is that is a copy of the third printing per the number line so it's not clear if the date is for the original printing or that third printing. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:19, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: That's the one; the foreword is copyright 1989 so it's a new edition, but it also says the original Anchor edition was 1969, which is also on ISFDB with no cover; looking online it seems to have a different cover, so they updated a few things for this one. I almost added the wrong cover to the 1989 book because Amazon had some other cover which is for another edition. You may be right about the third printing, but the price other editor entered was much higher than the 1 on the archive.org copy, so why would the 1st printing be more expensive than the 3rd? Also, there's a note about Amazon saying it's from May 1990, so I'm not sure about all this, but since PV is no longer active and my info came from an actual copy of the book, I think we should go with mine, and if someone else has a copy of the first printing with a 1989 date on the back cover they can always enter that on ISFDB as another edition; book on archive.org says 0690 on back so if PV had a copy of the book it should have a similar --89 date, but I guess they missed that and just used date on copyright page. Adding a note that the archive.org copy is the 3rd printing would be good, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:04, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::The copyright page has "Anchor Books Editions: 1969, 1989" so seems like 1989 would be the correct year for this first printing and the "0690" would be for the third printing. The price is suspect, but prices can change between printings. Yes, it would be nice to be able to ask the verifier to double check the price and if there is a date code on the back. But as they are no longer active, we cannot and we have to go with the information we have. We create separate records for each printing so I have cloned the record and created a third printing. I sourced that to the archive.org scan. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:47, 18 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Incomplete cover ==<br />
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Hello username! It was kind of you to add a cover to my verified book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?753227 Weltraum Nr. 1], but it's incomplete. In the middle of the cover there is still a painting. Greetings Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:40, 17 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Drive In The Bus Tour ==<br />
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I approved your submission of changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312004 The Drive In: The Bus Tour], even with the new cover scan. The original scan was much better IMHO. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:40, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: The cover I added shows full art including what's on the back. It may be a little glossy when small like a lot of small-press hardcovers, but clicking makes it bigger and much easier to see the art. ISFDB's policy of shrinking all images down has the unfortunate side effect of making a lot of covers and author images hard to see; some display better when clicked or opened in a new tab, some don't; this one does. And if the cover art is continued on the back cover it's usually better to use that so users can see it in full, unless the image is so bad that it's not feasible to use it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:22, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Black Dog / Queta Non Movere ==<br />
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Hello, can you provide source for your varianting statement [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4993714 here]? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:45, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I discovered this months ago and left a message on ISFDB asking if anyone knew more; months passed and nobody answered so I decided to enter it. The original edition of Dark Encounters and a recent Polygon edition use the original title, but the 1984 John Goodchild edition decided to use the title here, https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbchomeservice/basic/1961-10-12. I suspect they changed it because people these days wouldn't understand the Latin title so they gave it a more "horror-y" title. Online reviews that discuss "Quieta Non Movere" mention a black dog so they're the same story. There's a copy of the 1984 edition on Google Books and on Fantlab, https://fantlab.ru/edition219644. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:03, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I've approved the varianting, and added a note to the Black Dog title record, stating Fantlab has this as 'Quieta Non Movere'. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:57, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm glad to finally get this info entered on ISFDB; one change I would suggest, though, is making the note refer to the BBC link I provided above, since that is the only hit I got when I searched on Google for the "Black Dog..." title and is probably when the title was originally changed. The "Black Dog..." title doesn't link to Fantlab on Google because in their usual sloppy fashion they list titles from 1963 edition on 1984 edition's page and forgot to change the title from "Quieta..." to "Black Dog...", so the only way people would know the title was changed is if they clicked on the photos from the book. Another thing is I decided to search Internet Archive for the "Black Dog..." title and again got only 1 hit, https://archive.org/details/Radiocorriere-1961-41, so there's 1 more bit of proof that this was the title they used for radio. Why only the 1984 edition of Dark Encounters decided to use that title is anyone's guess. I will add an edit now with the external ID for Fantlab so people can go there if they want to see the photos. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:32, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Sure, feel free to add the two references into the pub notes (and URL in the web multifield). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:54, 30 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Making of The Wizard of Oz ==<br />
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Hello! I approved your submission of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?252547 The Making of The Wizard of Oz] and correct your wrong ISBN record. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 15:24, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Danke. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:30, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== [no subject] ==<br />
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Where exactly did you get the impression that I have a problem with people disagreeing with me? That's a problem of yours, not mine. <br><br />
It's difficult to get across subtle nuances online, but you seemed to get prickly when I asked if you were a moderator. Why? I was just wondering if maybe you could approve the change for me. <br><br />
I'm just as good an editor as you, although not as prolific. Sometimes I make mistakes, but I catch them and fix them. I'm fully aware of every missing link in every issue I've entered, and why it's missing. You couldn't be sure of that, of course, and I appreciate you trying to help. I also really appreciated your kind words about my efforts to add Fangoria, and your offer of help. I wish I'd said so.<br><br />
You say "tantrum", I say "prank". It's your six-month anniversary, and one of the better editors should surely have a biography!--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 01:22, 18 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Username? It would help if you answered those two questions, please.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 04:28, 26 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
When you forgive my sarcasm (which trumps rudeness!), I'd like to take you up on your offer of help with Fangoria. If you want to verify the issues that you have, or add anything that belongs, that would be great.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 21:21, 28 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Jason Alexander ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5036748 this submission]: It looks like {{A|Jason Alexander}} is multiple people. The only record I was able to confirm to be by the actor is "Dad, Are You The Tooth Fairy?" (plus probably the two interviews). Are you aware of any others? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:17, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:The 1978 novel is not by the actor since he was only 18 or 19 at the time; the publisher has 5 books on Open Library, and 1 by Alexander is readable, revealing that author is a Libertarian Ayn Rand type. The art is all within the same time period so most likely is by the same artist. So the actor wrote the Tooth Fairy book and the 2 interviews are with him also because there's lots of info online about him appearing on Trek. That leaves the essay; no info online about which Alexander wrote that, but if I had to guess it's by the artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:57, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Yup, that was my thought. I will divide them up. By the way, I moved your response from my talk page over to here as it keeps the conversation together. That allows someone else in the future to more easily figure it out if they have questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:25, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dangerous Red ==<br />
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I approved you submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2721847 Dangerous Red], but you need to clone the pub under that title and enter the 2003 edition in edition to the new edition. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:22, 3 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moorstones ==<br />
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Hello, could you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0907349307&type=ISBN]? It has two publication records with identical ISBN, but different publishers. (2nd one is the one you cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5066858 here]). Is this expected? Or must the ISBN of the Spindlewood edition be removed? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:57, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I asked about this myself on Community Portal under "Moorstones". Since edition I entered came from the actual book on Archive.org I would trust that and assume the ISBN for later edition was taken from some online info that had the wrong one; of course it's possible they both use same ISBN, so someone needs to produce the Salem edition to check. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::The Salem House edition info is copied from Locus. They could be wrong about the ISBN.--[[User:Chris J|Chris J]] 19:34, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Delete notes ==<br />
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Hello! I hold your submission of ''Our Gang (Starring Tricky and His Friends)''. Are you sure that you want to delete all notes? Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:10, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: That was an extra note about the quote on last page; don't know why it thinks I wanted to delete previous notes, way the software works I guess, but it's an extra note, not meant to replace previous ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:46, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I've approve your submission and restore the notes. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:08, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Grey Matter Variant ==<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5069181 edit] to change the date to 1978 for the variant of King's story with the title as "Grey Matter"? Our earliest appearance of the story with that spelling is now November 1987, after your edits to the Pan publication. I'll also note that you really should have checked with the verifier of that book before submitting those edits. I had to contact them and make sure it was OK before approving them. They noted that there is a 1978 copyright date but, but the book doesn't indicate what title was used for the 1978 publication. I'll change the record to 1987 for now and continue to hold your edit depending on your source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:53, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The story was published in an American porn mag and then collected in Night Shift in 1978. It was Gray in America but Grey in England, and since the English edition also came out in '78 that was its first appearance. I brought this up somewhere on the boards months ago and 1 of you responded saying that every book where the story appears would need to be checked to see how it's spelled, so now I got the ball rolling; others can check their copies or online and verify if it was spelled Grey in all other British publications, whether Night Shift editions or Pan Books or anything else. Sometimes I notice a book was PV'd and check with them first, sometimes I don't. I was on my way out of here recently until a hurricane and terrorists made it impossible for me to travel. The barbarians are at the gate, so the fact I'm still here is a miracle; that may not be true much longer. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:53, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::First off, stay safe wherever you are. You didn't really answer the question. You assert that all UK editions have the variant title and that it was first published in the UK in 1978. Where did you get those pieces of information? We do not list a 1978 UK edition. There is none listed in Contento1, which is our chief source for pre-1984 collections. Worldcat has one record published by Hodder & Stoughton and one by New English Library, both for 1978, but neither records list the contents. I'm going to reject the edit to change the variant date for now. If you have a source you can cite, we can revisit this. Lastly, checking with active verifiers when you are changing the spelling of content is not optional. You need to do that every time. It's especially important when you don't have a source for your information as it appears you did not in this case. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:39, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: www.stephenkingcollector.com/identifyingUK1st.html; www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Night+Shift+-+Trade+HC+UK; https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/9047442.pdf (spells it GREY and even says what pages it's on); 1978 was NEL's HC Night Shift date; most King books were published in America and Britain close together. The reason why the British edition is not on ISFDB isn't because it doesn't exist but because nobody ever bothered to enter it. Sounds unlikely, but I've entered many editions by very well-known authors (Straub, Koontz, etc.) which should have been here but weren't. The Pan Book of Horror Stories definitely says "GREY Matter" because I actually found a photo of the contents page, and it seems that it was the only British anthology that story ever appeared in, at least as far as ISFDB says, so the only question now is whether all of the many British editions of Night Shift spell it that way, which seems very likely to me. So the British spelling's date almost certainly originates from the 1978 NEL Night Shift, but if you don't want to change it that's on you. As for checking with PV's, there was a time when I never checked because in almost every case my changes turned out to be correct, but eventually I started checking and have done so many times, but often I forget since I'm only human. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:31, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: https://www.booksandyou.in/product/night-shift1; the cached Google version still works, and includes a photo showing contents with "Grey Matter"; ISBN matches British editions on ISFDB but price is different, so it's some unknown printing. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:15, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bad Candy ==<br />
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Posted an answer on my [[User_talk:MagicUnk|talk page]] [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk#Bad_Candy here]. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:50, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Type change of ''The X-Files Book of the Unexplained, Volume II'' ==<br />
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Could you please confirm [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5076872 this update] with SFJugger first? That would be appreciated. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:35, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I think you meant SFJuggler. There's nothing really to confirm, since the first volume is NF on ISFDB; he just made a mistake and entered it as a collection. Also, see this link under Non-fiction books; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X-Files_literature. If y'all disagree you can cancel my edit, that's fine. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:43, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. I've accepted the submission, and added the link to the Moderators notes for reference. And it's not really about disagreeing (I'm impartial, as I don't have any interest either way), it's about confirming and ensuring a primary verifier agrees with your suggested update. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:04, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding covers found in other editions ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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When you are adding a cover artist because the art matches that of another publication already in the database. Please don't simply add the name of the artist to the publication record. This will result in a new COVERART title record which will then require an additional edit to merge it with the other title record from the source publication. A better approach would be to import the COVERART title used in the other publication(s) into the publication where it is missing. For example, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5084890 this edit] would create a new title which would then need to be merged with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1140800 this existing] title record. Instead, just grab the Title Record # from the existing record (1140800) and use the Import Content tool (Option 2) to add the COVERART to the publication. This way, you won't have to go back and submit merge edits. Let me know if you have any questions. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:07, 16 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moby Dick ==<br />
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HI! The official title is "Moby Dick; Or, The Whale" , would this be better as the parent and Moby Dick as the variant?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:05, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Wikipedia says The Whale as a 3-volume book in GB and Moby Dick as a single volume in America. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:12, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Stupid Amazon has piles of books with that title! Should have read more of the Wiki article :/[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:38, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Open library link in "Death and Resurrection" ==<br />
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Please explain the open library link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362571 here]. It should obviously be in one of the editions of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1325558 New Cthulhu: The Recent Weird]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:54, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Prior editor wrote note about wrong ISBN on copyright page vs. right ISBN on back cover; Open Library page for Death and Resurrection has no Archive.org link but the page I linked to does; my note explains about right author but wrong title. Clicking Preview shows MacAvoy's book. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:48, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: So write a more comprehensible note. No one understands this as it is now. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:54, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: It's perfectly comprehensible. There's some other editor's note about different ISBN's, and there's my new note about how the Open Library page I linked to shows wrong title but right author. I don't usually link directly to non-public domain books on Archive.org because many of them aren't supposed to be there and often get taken down after complaints. I have a feeling you're just being difficult because of my refuting of all your hostile messages recently. If that's the case, you don't have to check my edits anymore. There's many other people working here. Or you can be professional and act like an adult. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:01, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: This has nothing to do with being hostile. Clicking the link you provided brings you to [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL26775558M/New_Cthulhu_The_Recent_Weird this page]. It shows the cover of 'New Cthulhu: The Recent Weird' which is obvously wrong. How do you expect people to know that it shows the right edition after clicking through if you don't explain this in the note? <br />
:::: I'll be perfectly happy if you don't touch my primary verifications anymore, that would save me a lot of wasted time. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:21, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: In order not to receive any more of your messages about this issue, I will add an extra note to that record explaining in exact detail that the Preview link must be clicked in order to read MacAvoy's book, for all the slow adults out there who can't figure out how to click a button. I also just added a message on Community Portal about this topic, so now it's preserved for the ages. You also spelled obviously incorrectly. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:28, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::As the other verifier of this publication record, I have to object to this. It seems completely bizarre to me to include a link to the OL record for the Guran anthology in the record for the MacAvoy novel in order to provide a link to the archive record that happens to be incorrectly linked from OL record. Why not simply add the internet archive link directly? You mention that you don't want to for fear of it being taken down. If it is taken down, why would the OL still have it. I also have to reiterate (how many times have I asked you before?) that you need to check with the verifiers before making this sort of change. Had I been consulted first, I would have told you not to link to the wrong book, and I suspect from these comments that Willem would have agreed. I'm going to back out these changes and link to the internet archive directly. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:11, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I don't know what's in the air recently, but you people are making way too big a deal about this. If you want to complain, complain to Prime Books for printing Death and Resurrection's ISBN in New Cthulhu. The Open Library page for Death and Resurrection has no Preview button to click, so anyone visiting that page would think the book is not readable at the Archive, so I provided an OL link to the page that actually has the Preview button which takes you to Death and Resurrection; wrong cover and title mean nothing, since it's the double ISBN's in the book itself that are responsible for the confusion. I've noticed you frequently add archive.org links to records for books that are not public domain; that's risky, since many are taken down due to copyright complaints; one of my first edits here on ISFDB was for a Noel Langley story from Saturday Evening Post that was reprinted in his 1950 collection under a different title; it still hasn't been changed because by the time I started editing here those issues were all gone because of copyright issues, so I was never able to prove it. So you can add whatever you want to, but when they come calling you'll have to deal with them. I don't appreciate your hostile tone, especially since I did a good thing by adding a link to a book that would have otherwise gone unread by most. Also, why would I contact PV about adding an external ID; I'm not changing anything you did. You rarely have anything positive to say and only message me when you have a complaint about something trivial like this; if I had a dollar for every time I've had to fix wrong info and saw your name as the one who entered that info I'd be rich, so get off your high horse. When I contacted your friend up there months ago to let him know I'd done some changes on a book he PV'd he responded with extreme rudeness, so if you want me to contact PV every time I make some change, even if it's unnecessary as in this case, then maybe y'all should learn how to respond like adults. I've been 1 of the most prolific editors here this year, and was ready to take a long break recently, until circumstances beyond my control put a stop to that, but if I continue to receive constant complaints about my work that may change. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:48, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Please do not edit archived discussions ==<br />
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I have reverted [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3ACommunity_Portal%2FArchive%2FArchive50&diff=613373&oldid=608314 your edit]. If you need to post an update to the discussion, please don't edit the archived discussion pages. Very few people will see anything posted on the archived discussion pages, so anything impportant posted there will be unseen by most everyone. Instead, please post it on the appropriate discussion page as a new topic (in this case, on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] page). I recommend doing that for this one, and then link to the [[ISFDB:Community Portal/Archive/Archive50#Missing Cover for Blood Rare|archived discussion like this]]. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:01, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm the one who wrote the original message; finding the cover by accident more than 6 months later, I went back and added a note about that. Nobody responded during that 6+ months, so I doubt anyone cares that I finally found the cover; if they ever look for that book they'll see the cover in its record. I was writing the note to myself, as I've done with several other recent findings by me for old messages I left that no one ever answered, so that when I look back over all my messages as I do sometimes I know which ones were solved. No need for a new topic because the case is closed. Most of my very numerous messages have never been answered, so if I want to talk to myself, だから何だ? --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:38, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I understand. Please don't edit archived discussion, however. I suspect the one of the biggest reasons so many of your messages don't get answered is because there are so many of them it's hard for anyone to keep up with them. It might be good to make a user sub-page to keep track of them, and ask people to follow that. Then you can keep track of which have been answered there. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:07, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Translations ==<br />
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As you are venturing into translations, a few notes:<br />
* We need the translator up on the title level so we know which titles need merging if there are multiple publications. I fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2926829 this one]<br />
* We have a template for recording the translators - Tr. You can see in the example above how it is used. It is one of those "if one day we start recording translators" preparations. When you do not add it or do not use the template, it pops up on a report and someone will need to fix it later. <br />
* For Spanish, our external ID LTF stands for https://tercerafundacion.net/ - which is a good place for additional verification and data for Spanish language books. They definitely do not have everything but when they do, they have more information than most. So if you plan to work on Spanish, you may want to check them occasionally.<br />
Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:25, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I wasn't venturing into translations, it was just a random book I came across while searching for other things. I was surprised it wasn't here already so I took a shot at entering it; I entered most info correctly, and points you brought up are ISFDB-specific, not related to the book itself. I also was on that LTF page before I entered the info but didn't know ISFDB had an external ID for them. I barely comprehend English so when I enter one of my very rare new publications for a foreign-language book it's because it interested me in some way, not because I have any interest in entering foreign editions. I'm running on fumes here, so even working on English-language publications doesn't interest me much anymore. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:40, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which is fine - but if you do translations, keep these in mind. You had the translator, it was just in the wrong notes. So I am stopping by with an advice on how to reduce the number of edits needed later when you add translations. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:48, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The High Holidays are over, but… ==<br />
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Forgiven me yet? :'( --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 03:09, 16 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Unexplained edits affecting verified publications ==<br />
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Hi. This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5121886 submission] is a good example of where you could save moderators a lot of work. You propose to change a title that appears in multiple verified publications, at least one of which has an active primary verifier. You provided no note explaining why (yes, it looks like an obvious misspelling, but what makes you think it's incorrect?), you did not check with the verifier, and the main secondary source -- Locus1 -- has the spelling as recorded in the entry. I did the Locus1 check, I asked MLB to confirm the spelling in the book he verified, and now I'm leaving you a note. Maybe others skipped over it due to lack of explanation and following of process; maybe someone else would have rejected it outright. But for me, what could have taken a few seconds to process has turned into many minutes (and I'm still not done with it). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]]<br />
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: Well, there's this, [https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/uQEAAOSwlRBg3pQW/$/Jack-Ketchum-Exit-at-Toledo-Blade-Boulevard-_57.jpg], where it's spelled SLEAZY, and there's also this, https://www.amazon.com/Peaceable-Kingdom-Jack-Ketchum/dp/1477806547, where searching inside gives 1 hit for SLEAZY but no hits for SLEASY, and there's a note saying the 47North edition was taken directly from the Leisure edition, so the spelling would be the same there, too. There's also the fact that searching Google for the title with the wrong spelling only lists a handful of sites, with ISFDB first and Locus next, with the few other sites obviously having taken their info directly from ISFDB. So what probably happened, as happens very often, is Locus lists wrong info (like every other online site), editor here copies it verbatim without verifying from an actual copy, and the wrong info remains, sometimes for a decade or more, until I come along and fix it, as I've done thousands of times before, because I do check physical copies or online scans of physical copies and never trust what some online site tells me. Also, 1 PV hasn't been here since 2019, 1 is in German so the title would be in German, too, and the other PV, MLB, has told me before, as have others, that if I fix something like this to just go ahead without contacting them because in almost every case my fix turns out to be correct. Thanks to Username for fixing this; you're welcome. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:45, 18 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Wow. Thanks for the feedback. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:55, 18 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: As we discussed in the past, this information should be included in the submission. Moderators do not have the time to replicate this kind of in-depth research and there is no reason to force them to re-do something that you have already done. As the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/newpub.cgi?Anthology New Publication Web page] says in the "Source of Data" section, if the submitted data comes from "Other website, later printing/edition or another source", the source should be explained in the Publication Note field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:32, 19 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Blue World type change ==<br />
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There are six PVs on this title, and only one of them was contacted regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5125135 changing this] from SHORTFICTION (novella) to NOVEL. Did you actually do a word count estimate? Your note didn't indicate that (rather stating only that it was "novel length in every edition it appears in". Please contact them and have them comment here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:37, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I only contacted 1 PV because they're the only active one, as I explained in my note to Taweiss where I said YOU'RE THE ONLY ACTIVE PV. Also, a word count is unnecessary because every edition on ISFDB has a page count for "Blue World" well above a novella as described on ISFDB's Wiki for what constitutes novella-length. It's probably just the usual where it was called a novella when originally entered and then copied without anyone actually noticing it's novel-length. Thanks for fixing this, Username. You're welcome. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:09, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Keep in mind that using page count to estimate the word count depends greatly on the font size, margin size, page size, and other things. Additionally, the page counts are referring to the collection it appears in. I don't see any instance where ''Blue World'' has appeared all by itself in any volume. Our listings show only appearances in collections. And while the page counts for this story (ranging from about 133-199) seem to indicate it's likely over 40,000 words, until Taweiss responds, we don't have any way to know. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:26, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Sorry for the delay. Traveling for work. With a length of 174 pages, and around 50K works, it's a novel. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 08:58, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::No worries. Thanks for chiming in. The submission has been approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:38, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Freebird? ==<br />
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What was the purpose of posting a link to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiCZFhEpRDI this YouTube clip], which I have removed from the Community Portal? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:17, 31 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I see that you are back, creating submissions and responding on Talk pages. I have put your last batch of submissions on hold. Please answer the question above. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:00, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I'm not back; the Talk page I responded to was for a question I asked nearly 9 months ago which the PV, Chavey, finally answered by asking me for a link to the record I was asking about instead of just typing the title himself, so I provided him that link; the Shroud Magazine submissions were just a passing fancy while checking my recently approved edits and noticing that the contents of most Shroud issues are on Philsp.com, including 1 short story in the same issue as the essay I imported recently, which led me to import it (and changing the date to match) and then, as usual, going the extra mile by importing 3 Derek M. Fox essays I noticed were never imported, either (someone imported a 4th Fox essay years ago and varianted it because I became 1; I don't know if that's correct so someone else will have to decide about that). I'm not doing my usual dozens/100+ edits a day for the foreseeable future, but if I feel the need to add something here and there I will. The title of the YouTube clip explains itself. God Bless America, Impeach Biden, Trump 2024. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:09, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for the explanation. I have released the hold on the submissions.<br />
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::: Let me reiterate and clarify what I said [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Fantlab on your Talk page back in April] and then again [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Gorey on Annie's Talk page on October 29]. The ISFDB is a strictly bibliographic project. Some of our contributors are from countries which were at war with each other not so long ago. We have contributors from across the ideological spectrum. If we were to allow politics on Wiki pages, the project would implode. For these reasons political statements are not allowed here. Please keep this in mind and act accordingly going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:59, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Buzzelli's [A] Gift of Evil ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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Could you double check the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?823891 this] publication. Both Reginald3 and Worldcat have the title as "A Gift of Evil". I'll be adding the external IDs for those two sources. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Reginald also notes Roman numbered pages through xi, though Worldcat does not. If you could verify that as well, it would be appreciated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:51, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: It's Gift of Evil on front and back covers, title and copyright pages, and every left-hand page in the book; the Prologue starts on vii and ends on xi. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:56, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I updated the page count. I also added a note about the discrepancy with the secondary sources which will hopefully prevent someone else from asking you the same question again. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:56, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Screwup ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5147311 this submission]: The Internet Archive [https://archive.org/details/maddogsummerothe00joer/page/n9/mode/2up scan] of the hc anthology shows the title as "Screwup" (both on TOC and title page). Is there a specific version you believe is "Screw Up"? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:37, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The scan is of Lansdale's collection; the anthology is 'Til Death Do Us Part, which is on Google Books; I believe I provided a link in 1 of those edits, but I can't rightly recall 'cause it's been so long. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:47, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Your edit would change the collection and not the anthology. Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5147310 prior edit], would create a new record for the anthology, but that cannot be edited until it is accepted. You were changing the original record which would remain the one for the collection. I have accepted the unmerge, rejected the title change, changed the new record for anthology, and varianted them together. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:06, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Dude, that was a quality stream of info there. I'll take your word for it that everything's correct now, so thanks. Variants are my kryptonite. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:23, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Boy Scouts Year Book of Ghost and Mystery Stories ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5157750 this submission]: Thank you for finding this. For a number of the authors being changed, these were the only stories in the database for them and the author records had data. Due to how the software works, that would have resulted in the existing author records and their data being deleted and new ones created. To not loose the existing author data, I edited the author records instead. As I wasn't sure how this would impact your submission, I duplicated the changes in another edit vs. approving yours. Long winded way of saying, I had to reject your edit, but not because there was anything wrong - just an artifact of how the software handles author name changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:42, 25 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: OK. EDIT: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1622565; I think that note isn't needed anymore since title was fixed; "Riddle of Bat Cove" gets no hits on Google while "Riddle of Bat Cave" gets a few hits; also this one: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1622555, where title was also fixed. EDIT: I just went ahead and did some cleaning up of notes, but whoever entered them had trouble keeping them uniform, with some including a name, a few including alternate names, some having no names, and eventually just getting tired of using the word "appeared". It was messy, but I think I cleaned up most of it; however, you may have to fix a few things in those stories where alternate names are entered; I noticed Whitfield's story had an empty record for Raoul, while Raoul F. was filled in. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:05, 25 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::Edits accepted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:23, 26 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Psychic Fair ==<br />
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What are you trying to achieve with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5164235 this edit]? You are unmerging all the contents which would leave a blank record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:02, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: George M. O'Har published the PB Psychic Fair and then many years later it was reprinted but he dropped the M. Whoever entered these new editions didn't variant them to his full name and 1 edition was in the same record as the original while the other was standalone. I varianted the standalone and I think that's OK, but I thought the edition merged with the original had to be unmerged first before varianting it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:17, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::In looking at it some more, the Vivisphere Publishing edition still under George M. O'Har was a duplicate (same ISBN, same format, same date, same price, etc.) of the other. I deleted it. We should be all good now, but let me know if I missed something. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:37, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162842; I had a similar situation with a stray on some other book recently and a couple of mods had to decide how to fix it; I guess you know if this one needs fixing, too. After that, I guess this is all done. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:41, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::::{{A|George O'Har|162842}} needed to be made an alternate name of {{A|George M. O'Har|5046}}. Fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:15, 5 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== When You Look Down to Find Yourself Going But Not Yet Gone ==<br />
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There were no notes included with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5189192 this submission] for changing the date. The publication is PVd by [[User talk:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]], too, and I don't see any indication this change was discussed. The submission is on hold until you discuss the change with the PV and provide a reason for the change. I'll keep an eye here for that. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:10, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Because the book the poems were first published in, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263421, which is mentioned 8 times in the link I provided, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2004/t20.htm#A380, when I imported them, has that date on ISFDB. Also, PV doesn't respond anymore; http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:58, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Then please mention that. Just providing a link doesn't mean what's obvious to you will be obvious to anyone else. In this case, there are well over 100 poems listed at that link, so it's really not obvious what you are trying to do. If you make it easier for anyone working on approving your submissions, things will go much more quickly and smoothly. We shouldn't have to come pester you for information you could easily include in a moderator note.<br />
::As for Mhhutchins, yes, he no longer responds to posts on his talk page, but he suggests to either email him or post about major changes on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]], neither of which you did (as far as I can tell). Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:31, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover for Dime Novel Roundup ==<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5206557 submission] to add a cover scan to ''Dime Novel Roundup''. The image that you are entering is certainly the cover for the paperback edition. Do you have any source that the hardcover had a jacket with the same cover? While Open Library provides a link to the Internet Archive scan of the hardcover without a jacket, they do not specify which edition their record is for. I was aware of this image when I entered the record, but I couldn't find any image of the hardcover edition with a dust jacket. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:19, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: https://www.worldcat.org/title/dime-novel-roundup-annotated-index-1931-1981/oclc/9649579/editions?referer=di&editionsView=true; all editions with covers have the same one. I don't know if that's proof, but other Bowling Green publications on ISFDB have same covers for HC and TP. If not enough, cancel. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:52, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Unfortunately, Worldcat frequently shows stock images that do not reflect the same edition as in the record. I actually think it is likely that the same image was used for the dust jacket, but without evidence we should probably leave the hardcover edition without a cover until one can be found. Amazon doesn't show a cover for the hardcover, nor does the copy available on ABE books. You could clone this pub and create a record for the paperback with the image. However since the Open Library record isn't specific to any edition, I wouldn't list it in either publication record. You could list it as a link in the title record though. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:37, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: You're right; problem is I stopped caring about any of this long ago and am only continuing to edit to pass the time in a productive way instead of far worse things I could be doing. I've tried to leave several times, as I've explained somewhere on these boards before, but circumstances keep getting in the way. My goal is to eventually stop regular editing and only add an occasional edit now and then to keep me from getting the dreaded "no longer active" designation. The way things are going in the world now, especially in America where I live, this whole silly internet thing may be a thing of the past soon, anyway. You still seem to care, so if you want to do any of the things you mentioned above, be my guest. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:15, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ian McKellen ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5209791 this submission]: Do you have a source for the author of the essay being the actor? Or are you just basing it on being the same name? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The image is Ian McKellen starring in the film Apt Pupil, based on the work by Stephen King. He played a former Nazi, thus the uniform. This, https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780753461075, mentions it's the guy who played Gandalf who wrote the intro. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:33, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Outlaws of the Moon ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5210829 this edit]? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:23, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The other edition by this publisher has the same cover; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3466. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:42, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::When using a secondary source to add information (especially for a verified pub), the source must be stated in the pub notes. I have accepted the edit & added the note. In the future, please add the note. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:05, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: The PV of the edition with no cover artist, Bluesman, hasn't been active for years, so it's not like I could contact him and say, "Hey, I'm importing a cover art credit into your book because you didn't bother to check the other covers on ISFDB and notice there's another edition with the same art as your PV'd copy"; I just checked, and Bluesman entered the American edition, too, so why he didn't know who did the cover for the Canadian edition is a mystery), and the cover art credit says the art is a variant of the Perry Rhodan art, so writing that in the notes seems redundant. But you must know best because you're a moderator. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:17, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Documenting secondary sources in pub notes is required per our rules. If you believe a varianted cover art record is sufficient documentation, you are welcome to start a [[Rules and standards discussions]] to change the current rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:25, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::: Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:33, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Bus ==<br />
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Hello. Concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5213606 your submissoin]. For non-fiction collections that are wholly non-fiction, we tend to record these as NONFICTION, and not as COLLECTION if I am not mistaken. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type Title Type] rules that says, ''This type should be used for books that are predominantly or completely non-fiction'', and ''A publication that contains both non-fiction and fiction should be typed by that which is predominant.'' You may want to ask a 2nd opinion though. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:52, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
: The collection and anthology types require fiction; a non-fiction book is recorded as NONFICTION in the DB regardless if it is one complete text or a collection/anthology of essays and/or reviews and/or interviews (the difference can be noted in the Title notes and for the ones which contain smaller independent pieces, the contents is appreciated if someone wants to type the titles/authors). We also record all art books as NONFICTION (then the contents will be INTERIORART); a collection/anthology of cartoons (if eligible at all) will also be NONFICTION. This specific one is not eligible IMO - the author is not above treshold, the magazine where they were published is not genre (so we cannot even claim that it is a collection of art we already have in the DB (even though that is not technically a reason for a book to be eligible either) so it falls under the "comics, manga and so on" exclusion... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:22, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Per above, I rejected your submission, and deleted the publication record. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:14, 6 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Tomorrow Log ==<br />
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What is your source for the inclusion of the essay [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5197607 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:51, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover for ''The Devil Takes a Holiday'' ==<br />
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I have put [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5216618 this submission], which would change a "sf-encyclopedia.uk" URL to a "x.sf-encyclopedia.com" URL, on hold. As I mentioned earlier, "x.sf-encyclopedia.com" are new and we need guidance from SFE before we can decide what to do with them. It's possible that SFE is in the midst of migrating all of their image URLs as part of a move to "sf-encyclopedia.com". If that is the case, then we may need to change all of our SFE URLs programmatically rather than hunting them done one at a time.<br />
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I have asked their Web admin about this issue and hope to hear from him tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 21:53, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The software behind yellow warnings has been updated. As before, only links to /clute/, /langford/ and /robinson/ sub-directories are allowed for both sf-encyclopedia.com and sf-encyclopedia.uk. All of their URLs require the currently used "|" syntax. I have removed the hold from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5216618 your submission]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:48, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The First Americans: Beyond the Sea of Ice ==<br />
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What is the source of the date you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5215870 here]. No notes or other information was included with the submission. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:54, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: 1987 first edition on ISFDB has that exact date; this, https://archive.org/details/beyondseaofice00sara, the twentieth printing or so, still has the same 1987 cover art copyright. They used the same art over and over again. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::Okay, thanks. In the future, if you put that information in the moderator note, that will speed things up. Approved! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:32, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Gray Matter ==<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5230813 submission] to change the story Gray Matter into an excerpt. Both FictionMags and Locus1 indicate that it is a story. What is your evidence that it was an excerpt from the authors subsequent novel? Is it possible that the story was later expanded into a novel? If the latter, it should probably remain as a story. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:37, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/graymatter.htm. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:39, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Magazine Serials ==<br />
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I approved your edits to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?957962 Medusa's Head]'' earlier today. However, I removed the links to the scans of the original magazine serials. They really didn't belong in the Appleton publication record as they refer to a different publication of the novel. For example, we don't link to the scans of Burroughs' serializations of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?21883 A Princess of Mars]'' in any of its book publications. It would have been OK to add them to the title record. However, a better solution is to add the three issues of Harper's as non-genre magazines and link to the individual scans there. I've done this adding each scan to the appropriate issue. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:28, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Neil deGrasse Tyson ==<br />
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Hi. Just wanted to let you know that there's a bit more involved than changing the author's name as you've submitted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5237803 here]. Since De Grasse had been chosen as canonical author name, but there are only publications with deGrasse, the canonical name needs to be switched to deGrasse. To do that, the deGrasse titles need to be unvarianted from their De Grasse parent title, parent title is to be deleted, which results in the deGrasse titles being left. Then variant the Portuguese title to the English original (and I've also updated the deGrasse author record with the information available from the De Grasse record), and we're all set. Not sure if this is the most efficient way, but it got it done. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?276399 here] - have a look and let me know this is the result you intended. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:56, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: OK. Honestly I've done so many edits since this one I forgot I did it, but since your explanation was complicated and over my head I'm sure it's correct. At least my feeble attempt spurred someone else to do it right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:04, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Audrey's Private Haunts ==<br />
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I've put [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5258099 this edit] on hold. Please contact the [[User talk:Chavey|Chavey]] and have him check the title page for that story which is not shown in the Fantlab scans. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:55, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== First Channel ==<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5254672 This submission] has been placed on hold as I cannot see where you've asked the two active PVs ([[User talk:Chavey|Chavey]] and [[User talk:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]]) to verify the publisher name change you want to do. Please invite them to comment here to verify this change. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:32, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Like the Hodgson book below, I barely remember this, but I think I changed it because of the note editor left that says PLAYBOY PAPERBACKS. Also, https://www.ebay.com/itm/233000922106, which says the same on spine and copyright/title pages. I'm tired of contacting people who never respond or respond after a really long time or after they've been in and out of the hospital multiple times, which seems to be a situation shared by many of the mods. I think Chavey was gone for a long time and when he came back and responded to something I wrote him he was unpleasant and it didn't go well. I don't remember anything about the other guy, but I really have lost interest. You can accept the proof in the eBay link or contact them yourself or cancel it, I don't care. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:14, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Seriously, let's try to work together here. You get all offended every time someone asks questions about one of your edits. The vast majority of the time, you're simply misinterpreting the text interactions here as someone being unpleasant to you. We're all trying to work to improve the site, so please start giving others the benefit of the doubt. As for the ebay link, if you had included that in your submission, I wouldn't have asked you about it. As it is, your note to the moderators was "OL ID, fixed publisher". Next time, please include your sources. It makes things go much more smoothly and quickly. Thank you for your future cooperation on this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:40, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: I don't think I was offended; to be offended I'd have to care. I was merely expressing how hard it is to remember 1 of these edits when I've done hundreds since then. I don't think I even saw that eBay link until a few minutes ago because it was obvious from the logo on the cover and especially the editor's note where they actually said who the publisher is. Your message prompted me to find it, so thanks. Actually, in recent days if a mod has a problem with 1 of my edits I just cancel it rather than bother trying to remember anything, since there's a hundred other edits I could be doing; I'm not sure why I didn't do that in your case; guess I forgot. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:51, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Just a correction; while doing some edits this morning I came across something that jogged my memory; it was Mhhutchins, not Chavey, who was gone for a long time and then was unpleasant to me when he came back. I've spoken to Chavey a few times, judging by a search for my name on his board, and while a little snippy with his answers sometimes has certainly never given me a problem. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:10, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Horrors from Haunted Seas ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5262432 This submission] has been placed on hold because you didn't include any explanation for your edits. You're changing page count without any stated reason, you removed a link to Archive.org which appears to be a valid link. You also removed part of the note which explained the subtitle only appeared on the cover; the Archive.org link you removed seems to support that note. When you make changes like that, you should always include an explanation for your changes. Please provide the explanations here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:55, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't know; I've done so many edits since this one. I know prior editor entered partial contents years ago and I entered the rest recently, then after it was approved I noticed the page count in the Archive book didn't match ISFDB's so I changed it with a note about differing page counts on different Amazon pages, because prior editor got their info back in 2012 from Amazon which came from 1 of those pages with the wrong page count. I'll just cancel this edit; I barely have any interest anymore to enter new edits, much less go back and try figuring out what went wrong with old ones; what likely happened is I entered the new edit while others were being approved and some info got swallowed up/corrupted, which has happened before. Maybe I'll try to figure out what went wrong and enter a new edit. EDIT: I cancelled old edit and entered a new one. Who knows if everything is right now; it's all so confusing. I wonder now how many of my other edits may have been screwed up after entering them and nobody noticed, sitting there with missing/wrong info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:36, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::The new one has been approved. Thanks for submitting the updated edit. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:43, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Eric Linklater Stories ==<br />
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What are the sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5269320 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5269390 this]? In both cases, the pub notes state "Only stories reviewed in Bleiler, below, have been listed". With your edits, those notes would not longer be valid. When you make a change to a pub that invalidates the pub notes, you need to also change the pub notes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:17, 27 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Little Green Book of Monster Stories ==<br />
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I have placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5267552 this submission] on hold. I can see that you included this in part of [[User talk:Ofearna#Crossroads|your message]] to Ofearna, but this one has a different publisher (Macabre Ink) that is not mentioned in your discussion. Since you didn't include any useful notes (just "fixed pub."), and your discussion with Ofearna doesn't discuss this specific change from Macabre Ink to Crossroad Press, I don't know why you are changing this one. Please clarify. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:49, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: This has been sitting on my edit list for a very long time; I've done a thousand edits since then. I remember that several books entered as by Crossroads were actually by Crossroad, so I fixed those; I must have had a reason to change this one, too, but can't remember anymore, so cancel if you want to. Also, I just changed the other Leodhas collection to an omnibus, but there's a stray Gaelic Ghosts; I don't know if that gets cleaned up or has to be done manually or what. You or someone else may want to look at Leodhas' record after that edit is approved to make sure everything is OK now. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:04, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::You really don't need to respond with how you've done a bazillion edits since submitting this (or any other) edit practically any time someone asks you about a specific submission. We all know you're amazing. I'll go ahead and decline this one since you have provided no valid reason for it. If you remember the reason for this one in the future, we can always undecline it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:12, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hey Joe, if you're having a bad day that's your problem; don't cop an attitude with me. The reason I mention how many edits I've done is because when someone like you asks me to remember a minor fix like this one it's tough because I've done so many minor and major edits since then remembering something like this isn't easy; if I were like many other editors here who barely contribute or only concentrate on one specific area then I'm sure it's easy to remember, but someone like me who makes edits for countless different areas can't be expected to remember something from weeks ago when one of you finally gets around to approving it. It only stands to reason that in the enormous amount of edits I do every week a few will be dropped here and there; I don't really expect every single one to be approved. Rather than waste my time you and the other mods should be finding out why ISFDB is so slow, both on my laptop and at my local library; maybe those robots that Ahasuerus was talking about recently somewhere that were screwing with the site and making thousands of illegal pings still need fixing. As I've mentioned several times recently, I've been planning to leave here for months but personal/world issues keep getting in the way; if the huge number of edits I still do every week is any indication, imagine how much more I could do if I actually cared anymore. P.S. And yes, I am amazing. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:27, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::Quality over quantity, pal. --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 04:04, 26 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::Rosab618: Your comment is not helpful. Please refrain from making unproductive comments such as this. Thank you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:06, 26 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The National Review Treasury of Classic Children's Literature ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5288958 this submission]: I'm in process of updating this record (adding the interior art, etc.) based on the second printing and then I will clone a new record for the second printing. I'm probably won't be able to finish until later today so may look incomplete for awhile. Letting you know in case you come back to it so we don't step over each other. I will also enter Volume 2 that Internet Archive has. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:48, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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OK. For such a major anthology the info online is a mess, but there apparently was a Volume 2, https://www.worldcat.org/title/national-review-treasury-of-classic-childrens-literature/oclc/56722009, which they didn't separate properly on WorldCat; the contents for V. 2 start after "The brownies' good work". --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:07, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantômas ==<br />
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Two notes on your edit to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?398181 Fantômas]''. The listed LCCN number is legitimate. If you click through, you'll see it returns the correct record. The price as "35 cent." is given in centimes, which is 1/100th of a franc. I've updated the price accordingly. We use francs just as we use dollars for US price given in cents. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:32, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mountains and Madness ==<br />
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I'm curious to know why you replaced the cover image of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18555] with an arguably worse one than that one I scanned and uploaded to ISFDB. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:42, 14 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I saw discussion about this book and discovered the title was different inside the book, so I added note about that, and fixed incorrect date some editor made in the note about the cover art; I suppose, when I found the copy on Open Library, I replaced the cover because that's the copy I got the info from, plus the colors are sharper and likely closer to what the physical book cover would have looked like; but it doesn't really matter, so I just went to the Wiki and replaced OL cover with yours again, so it'll be approved soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:15, 14 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Just a Suggestion ==<br />
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When documenting a source, considerer simplifying the audit trail. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?219201 Seeing Red] for example. Your note requires knowledge of the internet archive, accessing it, then navigating to the proper page. A link in the webpages can takes the user directly to the information. I'll leave it to you to decide if the note is still necessary. You add a great deal of information, a good audit trail does not require you to remember specific edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:24, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deadliest of the Species ==<br />
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I have put this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5305517 submission] on hold temporarily. You need to contact [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Nowickj Nowickj] and ascertain that his publication is the first edition. If it is not, then you should clone and create one. Either way, consider making 'Vox13' the publisher. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Cancelled and redone with just OL ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:15, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:38, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Nail in the Coffin ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5303417 Source] please. I'm not doubting the validity of your information. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 23:00, 3 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: It's from the Fall 2003 Speculative Literature Issue of Descant, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2003/t71.htm#A3356, which contains nearly 30 stories, most not on ISFDB, plus many essays. I'm not adding a note for this story because that issue should be entered on ISFDB, and there's already way too many notes on ISFDB where editors said where the story first appeared when the publication they first appeared in is right there on the page. I used to delete those, hundreds probably, until a certain moderator complained about it, so I don't do that anymore. If you want to enter that huge issue, be my guest. If not, just cancel my edit. EDIT: I just realized I did add a note, just not where info came from. Ah, forget it. I'll just cancel it; if anyone ever enters that issue they'll know where it came from. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:30, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: No need to cancel it, I think the statement 'first published' requires a source. We often see where a story was 'previously published', that doesn't necessarily mean it was the first publication. A fine point to be sure.[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:09, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?956885 This] is what I had in mind. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:21, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: This notion where a story first appeared was established because this whole thing started not with the first publications (and that you are informed about the notes upon merging titles is a not so very old feature). Hope thatr explains why these do still crop up en masse. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:47, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I've entered the issue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?897388 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Jay Lake story has August note, if you trust that as right month. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:13, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Strange Pleasures 2 ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5308028 Your submission].<br />
According to the supplied OL link & Amazon.com. The correct publication date is 2003-05-01. Change the publication date not the title date. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:42, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I cancelled it and made new edit with just OL ID and replaced cover image; there's no month in the book and no note about where PV, Prof. beard, got it from, or whoever entered it, but since some of the story dates are August the book obviously wasn't published in May; also August here, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2003/t20.htm#A951. But if you want to find him and ask him go ahead, or discuss it on the message boards. Also, me and the person who PV'd this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19457, submitted edits around the same time; you rejected my updating of the date because they'd already done it, but somehow both our cover artist were entered, so you'll have to decide which one can be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:08, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: The pub was originally entered correctly by BLongley 2008-12-26. Subsequently the title date was changed. (probably because Amazon shows that date). When Prof beard PV'd the pub, I doubt he even noticed the title date. Regardless, I approved your new submission and added a pub note referencing Locus. Daughter of Darkness is also taken care of. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:48, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Yellow Sign'' introduction date ==<br />
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This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5312068 submission] proposes to assign the introduction a date of September 2000, but the publication in which it first appeared is dated July 2000. That dating was done after your submission, and from the pub notes, it appears to be correct. Your submission does not include a source for the September date. I think the current July 2000 date is appropriate and am going to reject the submission, but please review and submit something else if you think July is wrong. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:53, 14 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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I submitted an earlier edit for this book which was approved, and then this one to change the intro to September because it didn't have a month; month entered by earlier editor was wrong, it clearly says July in the Archive copy, so where they got September from is unknown, but whoever worked on this book after me obviously caught the right date on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:17, 14 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== MacGregor[h] in ''Stories from the Near-Future'' ==<br />
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In this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5313022 submission], where did you find the credit as "MacGregor"? The Look Inside TOC shows it as "MacGregorh". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:05, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: MacGregor on copyright page and search says same on p. 43. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:09, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Many Deaths of Cole Parker ==<br />
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Was the story length [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3039653 here] from the note on the author's website, or some other source? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:19, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: That bookscxyz site I mentioned somewhere here recently has a downloadable .epub and when I printed it out it ran like 130-something pages, or checking the Google Books copy would probably run the same count, but if he mentioned it on his site, too, great. It might even be a short novel, if anyone ever cares to do a word count of the print edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:18, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding partial contents ==<br />
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When adding partial contents to a publication, please include the incomplete template. The publication will no longer show up on the cleanup report once it has any content entered. The incomplete template alerts us that there is still missing content. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:30, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: You didn't mention which book you're referring to, and honestly hardly anyone ever follows up any edits I do, so I'm basically working solo here; I usually complete my own incomplete entries eventually. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:21, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I didn't mention the publiscation ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391878 Beach Blanket Zombie: Weird Tales of the Undead & Other Humanoid Horrors]), because I went ahead and added the template. I was just reminding you for future reference. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:35, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Long Last Call ==<br />
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Take a second look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5322340 this submission]. Do we really have 2 novels in this one publication? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:34, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: As with many later Leisure books, they added bonus short stories or novellas to the main novel, and in this case while it mentions the bonus novella "Conscience" at the bottom of the cover, ISFDB classifies it as a novel because of page length or whatever the criteria is, so yes, it's 2 novels, with 1 being much shorter than the other. EDIT: Instead of creating new topics I'm just going to mention these here: the Amok cover you rejected because ISFDB doesn't credit designers as cover artists, which I certainly know, doesn't fit with the fact that 3 other Amok editions have that person credited as cover artist, so I assume, as in many cases, the designer also did the artwork. Regardless, it makes no sense to have 1 edition with no cover artist but 3 others with the same cover with a credited cover artist, so it would make more sense to approve my edit or remove the cover credit from the other 3. Also, as with many small-press collections such as Stuart Young's Spare Parts, they include stories from obscure publications not on ISFDB, in this case very many, so I detailed those stories' histories on the main title page of the collection. There's no reason to include the same info for those individual stories in their separate records, and something also went wrong with one of your entries because the edit/edit history buttons are next to the story title instead of all the way on the right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:43, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for alerting me to the problem with 'Face at the Window'. Apparently an angle bracket got inserted into the title, fixed now. Notes regarding a story's publishing history belong in the story title, not a publication title. If I had any reason to look at the publication title record, I would have told you to move them rather than doing it myself. While these stories haven't been nor may never appear in another publication, the notes still belong on the individual titles. My rejection of the Amok cover based on the current PV's note is correct. I have reached out to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Boskar Boskar] for confirmation before removing the credit from the other three. Ultimately, all will be handled the same. Interestingly, Boskar initially entered the earliest printing, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Stonecreek Stonecreek] edited it and then cloned the other two publications. Focus the 'Username radar' and help me find a word count for 'Conscience'. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:00, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Santraí ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326383 This submission]. Why variant/ If they are identical, merge. Perhaps I'm missing something. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Seat of Inspiration ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326387 This submission]. If you look at the copyright page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?899761 Eros Interruptus] it credits the earlier printing in 'The Urbanite, #6' as 'Seat of Inspiration'. I think 'Seat of Inspirations' is a typo. Cancel your variant, submit a merge with the above reason in note to mod. post here that it is submitted and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:52, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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On closer inspection, looks like you entered the contents for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61657 The Urbanite, #6]. If it wasn't a typo, tell me and I'll approve the variant. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:05, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Is it a data entry typo or not? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:18, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I don't think I entered the contents, just the page #'s. Cacek's story titles are a mess, so unless someone can see a copy of that Urbanite issue it's hard to tell what the title was there, so I guess this should be cancelled until someone can verify and merge or variant as needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:24, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Since we aren't sure, the safest course is to variant. We can always merge if a copy surfaces. Your submission is approved. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:37, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Currency Symbols ==<br />
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In the future, please use the correct currency symbols; even in notes like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5328557 this one]. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:48, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I enter additional prices in Notes exactly the way they appear in/on the book, whether that's full or abbreviated country name or currency. If a book actually had an A, C, etc. in front of the price I'd enter it that way, but most don't. The idea is to enter info as it appears originally, not the way we feel it should look like. It's pointless to enter a C in front of a Canadian price when the word Canada precedes it; of course, if I enter a main price in the price field then it needs an A, C, etc. in front of it because those prices are displayed when searching; notes don't show unless someone goes to the specific record for the publication itself. If you like entering those letters in notes, to each their own. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:58, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: If you want to change our policy, feel free to start a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions Rules and standards discussion]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:18, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::This is one of the few cases where we standardize things. Please use the symbols and abbreviations as noted [[Help:List of currency symbols|here]], both in the currency field and in notes. Thank you! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:59, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Coal Black ==<br />
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Hi. Why'd you add the image [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337624 here]? Isn't it the same one that was already there? --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:17, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I see your 2 edits in the history and my edit uploading the cover to the Wiki because there's no image on ISFDB-linked sites; the Wiki only has my name as the uploader, but there's been several times recently where I uploaded a new, better cover to replace an old one and it didn't do that because the URL of the image was slightly different than the old URL, and a mod needed to fix everything to make the image go to the right page so it will show up on the book's record. If you uploaded an image it might be on another Wiki page, if that's what you're talking about. The wait times have been getting longer lately for approvals, so there's a lot of cross-editing where an editor enters something and by the time it's approved a self-mod or mod has already entered it themselves. The image is there in the record, so it seems to be OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:33, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
::On the 9th, I added to the record the image you uploaded. (Where did you find it, by the way?) I didn't upload one myself.<br />
::You don't see the image on the Wiki? That's strange. It's there.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:46, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Now that you mention it, I recall that after you asked me where I found it a few days ago (I think it came from here, http://www.alephbet.com/pdf/cat101-web.pdf; searching Google Images for the title and author's last name brings the image up, which is the only one I saw online that looked good, unlike the AbeBooks and Amazon ones), I noticed you made a couple of edits or something similar and I wondered what that was about. The Wiki has my name and a June 9 date, so I think it's that cross-editing thing I mentioned where you approved your edit adding my image from the Wiki to the record and then my edit doing the same was approved. The cover image is there, anyway, so I don't think anything else needs to be done, except adding OCLC ID, 2468107, which you should do since you can approve it. Price is missing, but unless someone finds a copy that will remain empty. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:02, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: There's actually a searchable Google Books copy, and by searching for author's name it showed the back cover which mentioned his place of birth and by searching for "seven dudes" it showed the title on the flap with the price next to it. So I've entered 2 edits for those, and I think everything that can be done for this book has been done now. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:20, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rubicon Beach ==<br />
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I've placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337954 this submission] on hold as you haven't followed PV procedures. The only thing that concerns me is the change in price. As the 2 and 7 are not near each other anywhere on the keyboard, it's unlikely it was a typo on the part of the PV, so we need to have them make sure that's the price in their copy. Since this editor hasn't done anything for about a year, please post on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard]] so the change can be discussed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:55, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Across Paris and Other Stories ==<br />
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I approved your changes, but I question whether [https://img.fantasticfiction.com/images/c0/c1075.jpg this image] is better than the [https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81jw+QokP8L.jpg previous image]. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:09, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I did notice the same thing you did, so it wouldn't bother me if someone reverted or found an even better one; it's not like it's a rare book with a very hard-to-find cover. EDIT: I see now that I added the cover from Fantastic Fiction; 1 OL link has no cover and the other has a bright image but with a sticker on it. So if you're going to replace it you'll have to go to some other site, assuming you're not just going to revert to the old one. What's funny, though, is that the OL page with the stickered cover links to an Archive copy with no jacket while the OL page with no cover links to an Archive copy with the stickered cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:32, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasyworld ==<br />
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I approved your submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13194 Fantasyworld], but I removed the cover art credit since it was just a photo. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Dude, I don't know what happened here, but the Michael Trevillion Fantasyworld credit has no book under it and this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5341881, shows I entered the artist's name where it's supposed to be; a few minutes ago the FantLab link was just that, but now that I checked again his picture is there. So I don't know what's up but I entered everything properly as far as I can tell; I don't know what happened after that. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:46, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: The empty title record has been deleted. The problem isn't how you entered it, but that it is merely a photo and we do not give cover art credit for a photo. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:41, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''An Exercise for Madmen'' ==<br />
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I hope the title isn't a commentary on ISFDB activity.... For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5340813 this submission], did you mean to remove the Open Library link or only add the WorldCat link? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:26, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My previous edit adding OL ID, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5340686, was approved recently but I made another one adding WorldCat ID and, because ISFDB has a problem with multiple entries, the 2nd edit thought I wanted to replace the 1st ID with another one instead of putting it in the next ID field. This has happened many times and I'm sure some info I've entered has been lost because later entries screw up previous ones. Mods or self-mods can approve their edits and then do additional edits but people like me have to wait, sometimes for a long time, for edits to be approved and I don't always remember that I made an edit for a book earlier that hasn't been approved yet. Someone should look into updating the software or whatever so people can make several edits for the same book and have new info added instead of replacing the old info. So yes, both ID should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:37, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::OK, thanks. I accepted it and restored the OL ID. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 22:25, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mulengro: A Romany Tale ==<br />
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I approved the edit, but what is page number 'fp' in this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193329 publication]? This is not one of the <i>Special designations</i>. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:39, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I asked about this on Moderator board, so we'll see what they think. Also, you made an edit after mine, "added link because the link in the previous edit note to moderator was the wrong jpg". It wasn't really the wrong one; I added Gorman's intro and Sproule's frontispiece and the photo shows both of those, so that's why I added it in note to mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:47, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: When I followed your link it only showed the frontispiece and the title page. I added the link to the scan of the limitation page to support your note. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:55, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Poe's Lighthouse ==<br />
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Please doublecheck the OL number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5347679 this submission]. Are you sure it shouldn't be OL8825435M ? Thanks. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:05, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't think so. The OL I added links to an archived copy; ISBN is the same on copyright page, price is the same on front flap, etc. Your OL leads to a record which has no Archive link. I provide OL ID because I don't like linking directly to Archive.org as much (most?) of the non-public domain material isn't really supposed to be there. I do rarely link to a non-archived OL record if there's something on it unusual, but that's not the case here. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:16, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== UK prices during decimalization ==<br />
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I'm approving [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5347842 your edit] to ''Hands of the Ripper''. However, as mentioned [[User talk:Username#British Books with two prices|above]] that during the period of decimalization, the price field should reflect the pre-decimal (shillings and pence) price. I'll correct your edit accordingly. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:15, 29 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: OK, but the thing is that there are 21 Sphere books from 1971 here, 19 of which have prices, and only 5 of those have the old prices. So other editors weren't sure how to enter them, either. I'll see if I can fix any of them; maybe you can, too, if you wish. EDIT: I remembered this related topic, http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Pre_and_Post_decimal_UK_prices, where others seemed to suggest the opposite was correct. EDIT: I switched old price from note to price field for Pan's 1969 Moon Zero Two after coming across it randomly. I have a feeling there are thousands of others that would need the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 29 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rakefire and Other Stories ==<br />
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Will you add a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?784806 Rakefire and Other Stories] stating the source of the content? I was able to confirm it but I don't know that you used the same source as I did. Ping here when you submit it and I will immediately approve it. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:40, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: There's already a note about data from Amazon and all the story titles and info about each story are there. This looks like a Fixer entry so I wouldn't expect a robot to notice that. If you want to specifically say where they came from you can do that; I don't know if the rule is to credit the reviewer by name, although he seems to have published the same exact lengthy review all over the web. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:46, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I see the review now. Honestly, it never would have occurred to me to look there, I never trust anything people post in those. In this case it is correct. I might tweak the note a bit. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:16, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Two Poems from Star*Line, May-June 1990 ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350644 this submission] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350651 this submission] until you get agreement from [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hkauderer Hkauderer]. I see your link for one of the submissions. Be patient, he stops by and will answer. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:21, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't know what he'd need to agree to, since the link I provided for the first poem shows the part I deleted was a dedication, not part of the poem's title, while the other poem I didn't include a link for is available at several places online as part of a sequence of poems and also clearly shows the deleted part is a dedication and not part of the title, but if you want to wait for him to say it was a mistake, OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:36, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: You are making changes to a verified publication. This verifier is quite familiar with speculative poetry. Obviously, he felt the dedications were part of the titles. It is up to you to reach agreement for any changes. If you don't care to communicate with him, let me know. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:01, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: If you say he's familiar, OK. I'll wait; if he agrees, fine, if not, I'll just cancel my edits. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:20, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Author Birthplace ==<br />
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When entering an author's birthplace, please follow [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:AuthorFields:BirthPlace these guidelines]. I added UK [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?328935 here]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:49, 5 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Summer Meadows ==<br />
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I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5354028 this submission] on hold. The only edition of 'The Summer Meadows' on Google Books is the paperback. That's where I see the $5.95 price using search inside. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:30, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: https://books.google.com/books?id=UHxBAAAAIAAJ; I searched for 5.95 and it shows the price. All the early-mid 70's Delacorte books on ISFDB have HC prices the same or slightly lower or higher. Using advanced search here I found no Delacorte PB and the first TP is 1987. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:47, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/UHxBAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0; I'm looking at the record you reference, the format says paperback. Do you want me to ask another mod for a second opinion? I'm not offended. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:14, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Click the link I provided; it takes you to a page with a search box under the book's title page. Enter 5.95, and you should see $5.95 in the results, clearly on a book flap. It's a hardcover; As I said above, Delacorte published no paperbacks according to my search on ISFDB, and the first trade paperback was not until 1987. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:22, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: You totally ignore what I say, just repeat your previous statement. The only difference between what we are looking at is you are using google classic view and I'm looking at the new view which gives the book details. The new view does have the hc ISBN (044008444X), but format says Paperback. A contradiction. I have released the hold. Another mod can review it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:43, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I keep repeating what I said before because you're not getting what I'm saying. Delacorte, the publisher of The Summer Meadows, published zero paperbacks, or at least there are none on ISFDB. If you check Delacorte books on ISFDB you will see that all books published around the same date as this book are all hardcovers and all have the same price as this book or a little lower or higher depending on the page count or inflation or whatever. If there was a paperback edition of this book it would have a much lower price than $5.95, because mass-market paperbacks usually didn't cost nearly that much back then. And if the Google copy was a paperback then the price wouldn't be on a flap, it would be on the front or back cover like most paperbacks. Just because Google Books is confused doesn't make a difference; they're a huge mess just like every other book-related website, and have tons of wrong info. And the page I saw when I clicked your link looks completely different than the one I linked, and it says paperback on it, which mine doesn't, so I don't know what exactly you're looking at; maybe if you look at this, https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22the+summer+meadows%22, you'll find the same page I did. I'll mention this on the community board so this can be resolved quickly instead of waiting around for someone to get to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:59, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Requested report ==<br />
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You asked if there is a way to find the publications which have 'fp' in the page field. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Ahasuerus Ahasuerus] has modified the cleanup report [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?287 Publications with Invalid Page Numbers] to accomplish this for you. The report will be available tomorrow morning. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:08, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Unreals ==<br />
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I see you changed the format from tp to hc for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?478332 The Unreals]. I saw your note quoting the statement from the book. How do you explain Open Library, Google Books and Amazon all calling this a paperback? Also. here are two sale listings [https://www.ebay.com/itm/185393521738?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1mrjO3bUxRxePYbhCuSW-yA20&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-213727-13078-0&mkcid=2&itemid=185393521738&targetid=4581046489808873&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=&poi=&campaignid=418640322&mkgroupid=1239149842233245&rlsatarget=pla-4581046489808873&abcId=9300602&merchantid=51291&msclkid=77a6ba70a29e1f86e16cd8a01b0aa24e ebay] and [https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-unreals_donald-jeffries/1355990/?resultid=6265ae6a-69c8-40fd-998c-523871d7abc7#edition=5550403&idiq=33525694 thriftbooks] which both state the format is paperback. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't see your name in the edit history, so I'm not sure why you're so upset, but we here at ISFDB go by what the book says, and it says "hardcover". If anyone ever gets their hands on a physical copy with that ISBN and it turns out to really be a trade paperback it can always have the format changed back with a note saying the publisher made a mistake in their own book; it would hardly be the first time that's happened. Nothing online or in reference books is gospel; I've fixed countless mistakes that came from every one of those sources you mentioned. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:13, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Whether I'm on the edit history or not is irrelevant. Also, I'm hardly upset. I merely question the change. Do you really think it likely that both the sellers are also mistaken about the format? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:22, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: It's relevant because you didn't enter the format as TP, someone else did; if you were a PV then you'd know for sure if it's a TP. Also, I've seen many, many auctions where the seller just copied info from online but the photos of the book showed something different. As I said, the only way to verify this is finding a physical copy, and if it's really a TP reverting the format and adding an appropriate note. Then the question will be if there's a HC edition out there somewhere, or if the publisher scrapped plans to release one but forgot to change their copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:28, 15 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Internet Archive services ==<br />
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Hi, Concerning your latest note [[User talk:Pwendt#Doll Who Came Alive]], and the preceding, and some other 2022 contributions here at ISFDB Wiki, let me ask a general question: How do you use Archive.org for viewing protected content in "recent" books? Is it an institutional privilege (<s>such as I may have here, sitting inside a major university library building, a novelty for me in the last 30 months</s><font color=green>not this institution</font>)? <br />
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Or do you use this service which is available to everyone, or everyone in the USA or somewhere, with a "free account"?<br />
: | Log In and Borrow v | Renewable every hour, pending availability | (i)<br />
I suppose it is this widely available free service that you have in mind, for ISFDB users who will make use of the "archive.org" publication webpage to view or even print illustrations. Right?<br />
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Or something else (although the one hour will be adequate for many ISFDB data gathering purposes)?<br />
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For books with protected content I have used only the "Limited preview // Some pages are omitted." In my experience that shows several opening leaves only. Even the back and back inside bookcover or dustjacket is omitted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:07, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, there's a blue "borrow for 1 hour" button after you sign up which lets you view the entire book, and, if nobody else has it borrowed, you can keep clicking that button in case you need more than an hour. In this case, there's a weird black cover when you search for the book, but as soon as you turn to the first page the real cover is revealed, which doesn't look like the one already on ISFDB, even though the publisher is the same. I tend to stay away from these kids' books because they reprinted many of them so often it's hard to tell which edition is which, but you seem to have done some research judging by your notes, so I thought it would help in fixing some of it or adding more. Looking at it, the first thing I notice is that the page count is actually 76, not 75, because the last page of the story is unnumbered, so that's 1 thing to start with. I also see that the NY Times review of the 1942 edition cost $2, while this Archive edition has a $2.75 price, so it's not the original but probably not the 1972 edition on ISFDB because books cost more by that point. It's also an ex-library edition, and the first date stamped on the card at the back is '55, so that should help in narrowing down the date. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:23, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your notes on ''The Doll'' which I will consider later. I do have good access to historical newspapers and magazines, in my air-conditioned university library station --where I sit today but I have barely visited in 30 months.<br />
::: Back to the technical matter. Last hour I enrolled at Archive.org using email address and password and I borrowed ''The Eerie Book'' 1981 edition P{{p|487344}} for one hour. Today unable to give it much time, after one hour I did learn [a] what happens when/as time expires. <br />
::: [b] What do you make of this, at ''The Eerie Book'' 1981? Upon borrowing I learn there are 224 images, presumably 1 to 224 ... Now I visit what appears to be the back inside jacket flap, as "218 of 219"! Flip the page and see image "224" and last! That one doesn't look as I expect from the back bookcover or dustjacket. How do you interpret these last two images "218" and "224"? <br />
::: Today that's all I had time to view. But, yes, I do have the one-hour privilege now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:32, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Answer to your question concerning total no of pages ==<br />
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See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5379858 here for your question] - Answer: no, the same rules apply for all languages - looks like someone counted the three pages of advertisements and stuff. I've corrected the page no's to 157. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 05:59, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deathbringer ==<br />
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Per your note to moderators in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5376099 this submission]: Search on ISBN came up with the cover for the 2nd edition - see [https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30257088918&cm_sp=det-_-bsk-_-bdp]. Very difficult to read, but I'm fairly sure ISFDB cover scan of the first edition says 2246 in the right margin of the cover, whereas the AbeBooks scan says 2562 for the 2nd edition (same price for both editions, it seems) Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:47, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dragon Quintet ==<br />
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Hello. Can you provide source for these two (related) edits: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380430], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380431]? Thanks!<br />
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: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?31459; Don Erikson, the long-gone PV of the edition with the wrong cover credit, was one of the most common enterers of wrong info here; I can't count how many of his old edits I've had to correct. In this case, it's clear the Eggleton art is only on the Book Club edition while all the Tor editions use the same art, so I removed the wrong art credit and then imported the right one (Erikson also PV the Tor HC, so I assume he was just confused when he added the wrong info to the PB). There's no source, it's just a mistake I'm correcting, unless I'm missing something. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:57, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Oh, I see. Approved. (I may have to stop reviewing and approving submissions for today... :). Thanks, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:27, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:34, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Please revert edit for Kingsbane ==<br />
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Would you please revert this edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5381259] and remove the LCCN from External IDs? The note specifically says there is no valid LoC record which is why it doesn't belong as an external ID. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:19, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Not online, or not at all? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:39, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::My only LoC validation source is the LoC online lookup but I would think that should be sufficient. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:26, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:27, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Independence ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5382526 this submission]. I don't see any attempt to contact the PV. The notes clearly state that the publication date is from a secondary source (Amazon.com). I have no problem with editing the disambiguation of the 'Author's Note' if you wish to resubmit. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:11, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: MLB, as has been mentioned many times on these boards, has told me to just fix any minor mistakes because he made so many of them in his PV over the years that it's a waste of time contacting him about all of them. Also, most paperbacks wouldn't have the day of publication, Amazon uses the first day of the month when they don't know the exact date (could be the month before or after), and there's a later printing on Archive.org, https://archive.org/details/quantumleapindep0000peel, that says August on the copyright page. MLB wrote about both Amazon and the copyright page in his note, so I assume he just forgot to fix the date based on the actual book instead of Amazon. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:24, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Of course, the actual publication does not give the day. That is the reason MLB added the note. (OL also agrees). If the date is changed, then the August 1 date should be incorporated into the note. For ex: "Publication date 1996-08-01 per Amazon.com as of 2012-10-15'. I hate to throw away data. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:43, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Amazon has always had a habit, when they don't really know the publication date, to just use -01- for the day; OL's info is often just copied straight from Amazon. The book's date is on the copyright page, August 1996. The only reason to include Amazon's date is if the book wasn't available, but it is, because he PV it, and there's an Archive.org copy. If the book was one of those that listed the day in the date, and there are some (usually small-press) books that do, or a later printing that mentions the exact date of the earlier printing(s) then the day could be justifiably entered, but that's not the case here. You can ask about this on the boards if you want. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:55, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::Books rarely give the <b>actually day</b> that a book is printed. The date that you see on Amazon is the date that the book arrives, I think, in inventory. Compare dates, page count, and prices, with Barnes & Noble. You can find minute differences. If you want, just make minute changes when you need to. Besides, my brother, who was a fan of the show, absconded with a number of my <i>Quantum Leap</i> books, so I may not even have that book anymore. Typos are my kryptonite, thanks for paying attention. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:11, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:MLB MLB], thanks for chiming in. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:18, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Toast ==<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/toast_stross/mode/2up this archive.org link] is not for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?247813 2006 tp edition]. No page numbering, number of pages is incorrect, no cover illustration. This is most likely an e-book, self published by the author. I removed the link from my verified pub. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:46, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, it is by the author, as he explains in a note following the copyright page. It's also the only edition of Toast on Archive.org, and it does have the same ISBN as the 2006 TP and is the only expanded edition, and hardly anyone knows it's there judging by the fact that it was uploaded in 2015 but there's still less than 1,000 views, so I figured the best place to put it would be in your edition, but apparently not. So now I'll just put it in the title record; the most important thing is allowing people to read it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:09, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publication Links to scans ==<br />
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Please don't remove links to other scans when adding new scans, unless the original links are no longer active. I know that you prefer Open Library links to links directly to the Internet Archive, but that is no reason to overwrite existing links that have been previously added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:52, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: The Archive links I replaced were all added by me; if someone else had added them then I would have left them alone. The Luminist PDFs I've been adding lately are all fully readable and printable, unlike the Archive copies, unless you have a 14-day pass or whatever is needed, and then they encrypt them and people complain about them all the time and so on. It's fine with something like Dalby's Ghosts For Christmas, where I noticed that you approved my edit replacing Archive link with Luminist PDF and then added Archive link back immediately afterwards, since there's a slight possibility that the Luminist site might disappear off the web and the only readable copy would be on Archive, but I disagree with putting back those lousy Dark Shadows Archive links with their menu and Jane Austen URL that has nothing to do with the books themselves, but if you and other mods feel like adding all of those dozens of Archive links back, so be it. EDIT: I see you just approved my edit replacing the 2 Google Drive links (that I added some time ago) for The Elemental and the Ace Double containing the infamous how-long-is-it? Falcons of Narabedla, that Luminist used to use for many of their books, with the PDFs that they've converted most of their books into, and then added back the old Google Drive links, anyway. Seems pointless, but whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:00, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Infinity Three ==<br />
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I accepted your submission adding this publication by mistake, so I deleted it. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18237 Here] is the existing record. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:34, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Your question on image replacement ==<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5394627 this submission], you stated "I replaced the wrong cover image, which has the old edition's info on the side, with the correct cover with info on the top, but I had to replace it here because, as has happened several times before, the uploaded cover didn't go to the same page as the old uploaded cover, so if moderator wants to contact somebody and ask them to fix that it would be great" This behaviour you observed is a consequence of copying publication records to create another printing and/or edition. As a consequence, the image URL is also copied, but continues to point to the original cloned record. The only solution to fix this problem is either to go to the cloned record and update the image there, or, if the intent is to replace with a correct image, then you need to do what you've done here, and upload a new cover image and update the corresponding pub record. As far as I can tell, there's not much that can be done about this without significantly changing the software's behaviour. Hope this clarifies. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:42, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: OK, but the last several times this happened one of the long-time mods, maybe JLaTondre or Ahasuerus, said they fixed it so it pointed to the right page. I don't know what they did, but I doubt it was just replacing it in the record, or maybe it was, who knows. I left that message simply because I was tired of leaving a message on the boards every time this happened and wanted either the original uploader or the mod who approved the edit to take care of it. In the future I'll just replace it in the book's record, although that still means, I think, that the old wrong cover still has a page on the Wiki somewhere. Also, why is the word "behaviour" in your message flagged as a wrong spelling, with a red underline? The mods' names have it, too, which is logical because they're not actual words, but shouldn't spellcheck recognize British spelling? --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:09, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Indeed, the old cover has still a page on the wiki - however, if no pub record points to it anymore, eg because they have been replaced with another one, it doesn't really matter if it does, right? You can ask a moderator to cleanup these orphan picture uploads, but not sure myself if that's really needed or expected.<br />
::As far as I understand it, if your system is set up to check US spelling, then it does that, and only that. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:52, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Thirteenth Ghost Book ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5402720 this submission]. Since there aren't any pages with Roman numerals, the Pages field should remain unchanged. The page number for the 'Editor's Preface' should be 7. (not bracketed). I see that the table of contents shows vii for the page number. However, from the first bullet point under [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles Regular Titles] Page -"Caution: Do not use the table of contents to determine the page numbers of a publication's contents." Resubmit and I'll approve. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:25, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A word on the use of <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> ==<br />
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Hello. Just an FYI - if you happen to know that not all spec fic content has been added to a publication (as you mentioned in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5408632 this submission]), then you can use the <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> template in the notes field (unless you plan on adding them right after in a subsequent edit, of course ;)). That'll allow cleanup reports to list these pubs. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:40, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I've been told that before, but when I used to do that, sometimes, the contents were almost never entered by anyone until I eventually ended up doing it at some point, so it's a waste of time; most of the people here don't really care about helping with anything that doesn't interest them personally, and even if they did many of the editors/moderators are very reluctant to help me with anything because I'm not a sycophant and don't let them bully me, or they're still mad about some sarcastic comment I made a year-and-a-half ago, so they ignore anything with my name on it, as can be seen by the hundreds of messages I've left on the boards since 2021, when I started editing, that have never been answered. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::''I'm'' interested in the incompletes. It would be useful if you would add it. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:37, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Highgate Vampire ==<br />
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It seems to me that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5406724 The Highgate Vampire] is SHORTFICTION, not an ESSAY. I find it strange that Manchester should write an ESSAY on his own story (albeit not impossible). Do you have evidence elsewhere that this should be converted? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:40, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Because the edit of mine you approved recently containing Highgate Vampire includes a link to the Coronet copy on R. Dalby's site, and the photo of contents page says 4 new vampire stories or something similar, and that title is not in that section, it's in the essay section. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:11, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: OK, thanks for the explanation. I've approved it. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:46, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Narrator template ==<br />
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Please use the <nowiki>{{Narrator|}}</nowiki> template in audio publications. I'm sure you saw where I have added it to some of your edits. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:16, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Exotic Gothic: Forbidden Tales From Our Gothic World ==<br />
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When some of the page numbers are not visible/readable but the order of the stories is (such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279827 here], use piped numbers tied to the story before and after the missing numbers to keep the order of the titles in the publication. I added the two missing numbers [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279827 here]. When you leave some stories without any numbers while others have page numbers, they float to the top of the list, before the preface in this case. This way the order is preserved and visible. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:39, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: That's a deliberate choice; I'm the one who almost always eventually finds somewhere that shows the missing numbers and then fills them in, with a few very rare cases where some other person finds them and deigns to fill them in themselves, hopefully actually letting me know they did that so I don't think they're still missing, which they usually don't and I just stumble on the completed record some time in the future. So it makes it easier to know which are missing if they're all bunched at the top rather than having to look through sometimes very long contents lists to find them, hoping that I actually catch them all. You added the pipes to this one, however, so whatever, who cares, nothing matters anymore. WorldCat's new site is a mess, Amazon has completely changed their site for the worse, Fantastic Fiction doesn't show Amazon covers anymore because of those changes, and our site's move to a new server has been a total nightmare, with bugs galore and spam messages outnumbering the real ones. Not to mention another world war is in the offing, which will make this whole thing moot because internet service will be gone and nobody will be using ISFDB, anyway. Thanks for adding those pipes, though. :) EDIT: Turns out there's a snippet copy on Google, typed the titles, found the numbers, so now they're complete once edit's approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:29, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. The point stands though - if we know the order, we use pipes to make the publication page as presentable as possible. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:05, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== How to Survive a Fire at the Greenmark ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5417773 this submission], as there was another title record involved. A merge produces [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2365084 this title record]. It was easier for me to just do it, rather than have you redo your submission. Thanks for catching this, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:04, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Tell-Tale Heart ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?915136 This] publication appears on the exception report because it is lacking the content title. You have marked it juvenile. Is that because of the publisher or did you see it stated somewhere? I looked at [https://archive.org/details/william-castle-telltale-heart] and [https://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/hanna-barbera-does-the-tell-tale-heart/]. Initially, I imported the regular title, but reversed it pending your input. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:48, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, it's part of a cartoon series, cartoons are for kids, especially older cartoons like Hanna-Barbera's; if it was Adult Swim or something that would be different, but pretty much everything H-B did was marketed to kids. EDIT: Also, I imported it myself, but it's currently waiting in a 330-edit list of mine, so you don't have to import anything, it'll be accepted sometime in the near future. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:38, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: You submission is approved. <Strike>Please do two more things. First, merge the duplicated CHAPBOOK title records (check for duplicates in the publication Editing Tools: menu)</strike> Please use the narrator template, <nowiki>{{Narrator|William Castle}}</nowiki>, rather than straight text. When(if) we make narrators their own record, it will be easier to implement. Post when you submissions is in the queue and I'll approve them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:32, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Approved, Thank you [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:57, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== New Writings in Horror and the Supernatural, Vol. 2 ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5422611 this submission] and resubmitted it without the change to the title record. The three title records (anthology, and two content titles) incorrectly credited to an alternate name were fixed via merges. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23815 Here] is the final result. Thanks for finding this. If anything is not clear, ask. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:12, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Evocations ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5422619 this submission]. What is the source for the contents? Are you planning on submitting the remaining titles? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:33, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Probably Amazon Look Inside or Scribd, I don't remember, it's been so long, that's why mods should unfreeze the notes box so editors can add info like that when importing titles. Maybe this: https://thebookloversboudoir.wordpress.com/2015/08/04/book-review-evocations-by-james-brogden/; and no, I only imported stories already on ISFDB, since I don't know how the other stories are titled in the print book, online info being unreliable at best, and I don't have a copy to check. If a copy ever shows up on Archive or somewhere then I can enter the rest, assuming I'm still doing this by then. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:15, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I'll add a note citing Look inside and the <nowiki>{{Incomplete}}</nowiki> template. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:55, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Venus, the Lonely Goddess ==<br />
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Re; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5425887 this submission]. The title page shows 'The Lonely Goddess' as the subtitle. Shouldn't the title be 'Venus: The Lonely Goddess' to comply with our standards? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:28, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, I think you're right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:32, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: If you resubmit, I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:38, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Just approve it and I'll do another edit adding the colons; there's other info in that edit besides just the change of title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:49, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Chapbooks and title level fields ==<br />
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Please be careful when adding chapbooks. In general the flags such as novelization don't apply. Also links should only be added if they apply to the publication. If you're trying to add a link or a novelization flag they belong on the SHORTFICTION that you are adding. After the new chapbook edit is approved, you can add them on the newly created SHORTFICTION title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:32, 3 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing author/artist names in publications. ==<br />
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Please remember that when you change an author's name inside a publication the publication or title records are the only record for that author, it is better to ask the moderators to change the name in the author record as to preserve any other data in the author record. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5437438 this edit] removes the last reference to Arnid Johnston. The existing record includes the author's legal name which will be lost when that record is deleted as a result of the edit. You had one other edit that I approved today that had a similar issue. I'll go ahead and approve and update the new record with the former record's legal name. However, it's best to correct these sorts of errors in the author record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:10, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Heart-Beast'' cover URLs ==<br />
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Would you take a look at {{P|16664|Heart-Beast}}? Your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5433424 submission], which I accepted, seems/seemed to have an m.media-amazon.com Amazon cover URL in it that the software didn't like. Accepting the submission further seems to have ignored it, because the pub record has an images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com URL (to a poorer quality image, but it's the same cover). And I know you've been on a bit of a mission to change m-media.amazon.com links to images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com links for stability reasons. So I'm a bit confused about what's up, I sort of doubt you would have changed something from images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com, and I suspect the URL in the record is what we want and not the URL seen in the submission. That is what we have at the moment, anyway. If you think something should be different, let me know and submit whatever is appropriate, and I'll follow up. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:56, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It is not the m-media.amazon.com that is an issue (it is an exact mirror of images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com so every image on one of them exist under the same name on the other - if we decide not to use m-media.amazon.com, these can be swapped behind the scenes although a lot of the new images coming in are using m-media.amazon.com so it may be a losing battle). The problem in this one is that it is an /images/G/ image and those have their ".L" after a dot - which is caught into the check for formatting so you see this error unlike the cases with the /P/ images where it shows the "these are not /I/ images warning -- the current software can only show 1 warning per field. We do not know how stable /G/ are - I think these may be the old user images which may mean that a user can delete them at their whim. The only ones we know to be stable are the images in /images/I/ so that warning is there for anything that is not in the /images/I/ space in Amazon. It can be ignored for spaces we do not know much I suspect (such as /G/) but if a better image is found over in /I/, it will be better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:44, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Hi. Yes, I understood the warning. What I didn't/don't understand is why that submission's URL did not "take" when I accepted the submission. I'm suspecting that submission didn't actually try to do anything with the URL, and the desired image is the one currently linked (and not on m-media.amazon.com). I didn't want to contravene anyone's intentions by trying to "fix" it, so I thought I'd ask. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:38, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Extended Play'' and "A Night in Tunisia" ==<br />
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Hi. Just FYI, I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5433436 this submission]. The primary verifier had completed the contents in a submission made the day before, and "A Night in Tunisia" was already in the contents when I went to process this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:41, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Italian books ==<br />
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A few notes:<br />
: When adding Italian books, the NILF number (the digits at the end of fantascienza.com's IDs which follow the "NILF" prefix) goes into the external IDs, not in the links. <br />
: "digest" is not one of the formats we use for books (it is defined only for magazines) - we use either pb or tp for paperbacks. <br />
: The Translator goes into the title note, not the publication note (or in both if so you prefer but it is required on the title level). <br />
All 3 were fixed post approval [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?918597 Operazione: Sterminio] and I also created the variant while I was around. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:21, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: A few more notes: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?5646; 2 novels entered by other editors as "digest"; 2 records which have the translator in the publication note (and without using the translator template), 1 of which also has the translator in the title note and 1 of which doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:49, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: So they need cleaning up and fixes. As you had probably realized by now, there are a lot of things in the DB that need fixing. Some of them are because of changed rules through the years (the older the record, the more likely is that it was added under different rules and practices), some of them are because of incomplete sources or human mistakes and some of them are simply because the editor did not check the rules and applied their own logic. We try to keep to the rules with new entries and current updates; when time permits, older stuff gets also cleaned up. It is the nature of collaborative projects which survive as long a ours. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:55, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Yeah, I know there's lots of things that need fixing because I've fixed thousands of them. I'll fix these because like so many others if I don't they'll never get fixed, with many of my fixes being for mistakes that have been in the edit history since 2006-2007 when public editing first started; most of the current editors and moderators have abandoned anything except modern e-books, leaving hundreds of thousands of pre-e books and magazines to oblivion. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:21, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Open Library OL and archive.org ==<br />
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Once again (User talk:Pwendt#Doll Who Came Alive) I do have an account with password to Borrow rather than merely Preview. <br />
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How do you use OpenLibrary.org and Archive.org in conjunction, for research?<br />
And when hope to add Webpage at archive.org, or External ID "OL....", for others to follow? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:22, 18 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Are there books with a Preview available, which are not available for anyone to Borrow? (maybe equivalent to Not in the Library) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:57, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I'm no expert, but the relation between OL and Archive seems to be messy; there are books that show up on OL that don't on Archive even though the previewable copy is an Archive book, there are Archive books that don't show up on OL, books on OL but not on Archive often have a blue borrow unavailable tag at the top, trying to borrow something for 14 days using the pull-down menu next to borrow for 1 hour gives you epub or pdf links which only download some ASIM thing that you're supposed to use with some kind of Adobe reader or something and don't let you print anything from them, etc. I gather from messages on the site that Archive used to be much better about letting people borrow material for longer periods until they got complaints about copyrighted material on their site and switched to the 1 hour thing. So I'd say search for whatever you're looking for on both OL and Archive and, as long as nobody else has it borrowed, you can keep renewing the 1 hour thing endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:00, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Doctor Doolittle ==<br />
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Would you consider this pub record still be corrupt (as per the notes), after [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5444256 your edit]? If not, I suggest removing that note. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:26, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Going by the edit history it seems Pwendt wrote it, so I left them a message asking to remove it if they think it needs to be now, after my edits. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:35, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Frank Mahood ==<br />
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FYI. You've submitted a couple of edits crediting Frank Mahood as artist - however, he's the jacket designer, which does not imply he's the artist. We do not record designers as artists (unless it's very clear he/she is). That info goes into the notes instead. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 15:09, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Talisman ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532472 The Talisman]; I think we should go ahead and change the publisher to 'Constable'. Also, clarify in the publisher record that it is now an imprint of Hatchet via Little, Brown and Company. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:15, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I think so; best ask a mod first, but remember it's Hachette, not Hatchet. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:52, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Pardon my typo in the above post. If you prefer another mod than me, feel free to solicit one. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:06, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Dude, I don't care at all. I thought it would be best to ask before making a major change like that, as I've been chastised many times for changing stuff. If you're a senior mod go ahead and change it on your own without asking anyone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:16, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Giesbrecht / Geisbrecht ==<br />
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Hi. This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5449569 submission] fixes the title but also changes Jennifer Giesbrecht to Jennifer Geisbrecht, which would be a new author record. The Look Inside for the paperback edition of ''Thirteen: Stories of Transformation'' show it as the former spelling in the TOC, on the back cover, and in the interior (although it does not show the interior ones). Searching for "Geisbrecht" found one hit in the interior but does not show it. Is that spelling change a typo or intentional? It looks like her name is actually "Giesbrecht" (see her [https://jennifergiesbrecht.carrd.co/ website]). If there is a credit in there spelled "Geisbrecht", since the book also has credit(s) with the correct spelling, I think we'd be best off assuming it's a typo, using the correct spelling for the credit, and recording the discrepancy and in-publication sources of each of the spellings in the notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:43, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:You're probably right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:45, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Oh, I see from your later submission that you found it on archive.org. I took a look, and in that copy, it's "Giesbrecht" in the TOC, on the copyright page, and on the back cover, while it's Geisbrecht on the story title page and the running titles. I guess it's safest to document it with the misspelling make a variant. At least there's reasonable provenance that they're the same person.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:56, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Heat ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5459602 this submission]: is there a particular reason why you want to remove the Reginald-3 reference from the External IDs list? In error perhaps? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:18, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: I noticed this edit was on hold, and knew I wouldn't have removed anything (I'm the one who added this edition in the first place), and looking at edit history now, I see RTrace added the Archive.org link, which I tried to add, on 11/02, so I can only assume that my edit, being in the queue for so long, resulted in the LCCN ID I also tried to add conflicting with the Reginald-3 ID he added (he adds a whole lot of those). So the only thing needed now is the LCCN ID, so I'll cancel my old edit and make a new one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! - and yes, the queue is horrendous atm :( [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 13:16, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spectrum 5 ==<br />
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We don't change the title of a PVed book without a verification by the PV when we have an active PV (and we do not change the title without a note when there is a PV at all): they may be holding a slightly different book or they may confirm the change but in all cases, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484232 this] cannot be approved without a check with the verifier. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:59, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: The same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484204 Spectrum 4] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:00, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484207 Spectrum 3]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:01, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Just a suggestion ==<br />
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Rather than 'fixed title' in your moderator notes, consider an explanation of what you are changing. Make it easy for the pv to see what you did. In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5465175 this] example, 'removed series from publication and cover art titles'. Up to you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:00, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Carnage Road ==<br />
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Re: your note to moderator. I agree the date should be April 2012. However, MLB has deemed the 'The Author' as significant by creating a title record so the Pages field must include those in the count. I suggest submitting an edit for the date and notifying MLB. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:13, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Theatre of Timesmiths ==<br />
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You were correct there was a problem with this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50893 publication]. It had the wrong title record. It was originally entered as 'A Theatre of Timesmiths'. When the publication title was changed, the title record was not. The way to fix it was to import the correct title record and remove the incorrect one. Unfortunately, after I fixed the publication, I meant to reject your variant submission, but approved it by mistake (subsequently fixed). Great job finding this. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:17, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Drummer Boy ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5466669 this submission], Amazon says HC, can you provide the source for your edit? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:45, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mischief-Makers ==<br />
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Hello, I have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5472517 your submission] on hold as I couldn't find spec fic elements at cursory glance. Can you provide evidence these belong into the database? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:10, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Shirley Jackson, Joan Aiken, Alan Garner, Richard Parker, Joseph Payne Brennan are all on ISFDB, so should be imported, and I suspect if anyone wants to read the other stories some of them would be genre, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:36, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks, approved. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:29, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Re. Mr Ho ==<br />
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Re. your minor [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5464886 edit] for the story "Mr Ho" in 'Tales from the Fragrant Harbour', I'm trying to establish via the publisher Keith Brooke if "Mr Ho" has a period in the title or not, as this may affect whether we need to variant. (my own copy is thousands of miles away and currently inaccessible). Will get back to you on this soon when I hear from Mr. Brooke. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 07:36, 21 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Keith Brooke has advised me the story appears without a period in his Infinity Plus edition, so I've added a variant that does include a period for your PS edition. Your original edit will need to be rejected. I've also put the stories in your ebook edition in the (very likely) same order as the tp edition; if there are any differences you would need to re-order them. All done, thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 06:58, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shadow Games and Other... ==<br />
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Hi. I think that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5481414 Shadown Games and Other Sinister Stories of Show Business] that you've submitted should be flagged as non-genre (can't find any spec fic elements, but who knows?). Do you agree?<br />
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Also, I tend to discourage adding non-genre titles, even for well known gene authors, but your mileage may vary. Ed Gorman is a corner case where you could argue he is 'above the threshold', so I leave it to you to decide to keep this non-genre(?) title in or not. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:28, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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Same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5481798 Farewell, Fond Dreams]. Didn't check thoroughly, but doesn't seem genre to me. Or is it? (this author definitely shouldn't have any non-genre titles in the database). [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:39, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: All of the contents in Gorman's book are on ISFDB, the full-length novel and the stories; looking into this led me to discover that the novel has both editions on Archive.org so I've added links to each and created a record for the Leisure edition which for some reason was never entered here. The Gordon collection includes his ISFDB poem, a couple of short stories on ISFDB, and a couple of those many Exhibition stories, so yes, it belongs here; I suspect if anyone were to read the rest of that pretentious nonsense they'd probably find that some of the other contents are genre, too. EDIT: I'm the one who entered The Haunted Gay but it got errored out which led to it being a stray, which has only happened to me once before, so I asked about it and was told what to do, but it took so long to get approved that a few days ago somebody named Zapp must have seen my message and fixed it, although he added ASIN which doesn't make sense for such an old book, but whatever. Now the Edit History only shows Zapp, so my discovering and entering this rare book will go uncredited, which has happened to me several times recently. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:59, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: OK, thanks. Both approved (I didn't import contents though. If you could take care of that?) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 03:53, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::I imported into Gorman's book but as I said Giles Gordon's book probably contains other genre SS so someone can read it and then decide what to do, import and add new ones, whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Five Jars ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5486580 your edit] I noticed that you left the US edition at 1922-00-00. Now, that's a bit awkward because the UK edition clearly states "First published October, 1922", but whether that refers to the UK edition only, or both UK and US editions, I wouldn't know. Any suggestion on how to treat this ? Re-date US edition to 1922-10-00 as well, with note that it possibly could have been published at a later date (but still 1922)? (author is British, so presumably the UK edition is leading(?)). Thanks, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:07, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:MagicUnk, the US edition should remain 1922 unless we have a source for the month. If we want to speculate on the date, that can be added to the pub notes, but we shouldn't change the date itself. There is no issue with having the title date be more specific than some of the pub dates if we know the first appearance. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:32, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: OK, will approve. Not sure if username can dig up more details on the pub date of the US edition. ;) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:54, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover Uploading ==<br />
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Regarding your note to moderator [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5487303 here]: The cover uploading did go to the right page. The issue was the previous link was to an image for a {{P|189937|different edition}}. Someone either forgot to remove the image when they cloned the record or reused the image with the incorrect assumption it was the same. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:29, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== J. J. Ace & Nick Aires are (not) alternate names... ==<br />
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I have your submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485961], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485964] on hold as I doubt that J.J. Ace is an alternate name for Nick Aires. The only link between the two I could find is the reference to Andreychuk (by Bill Longley) here: {{a|J. J. Ace}}. No source given. The 'About the Author' in [https://archive.org/details/judgmentday00acej/page/300/mode/2up Judgment Day] reveals that J.J. Ace may be an alternate name for {{a|James Richey}} (or not). Can you dig up more substantial evidence to link both Ace and Aires? If not, I'll remove the legal name from J.J. Ace's record, and move it to the note and state that it is doubtful that Andreychuk is his legal name. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:55, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Hour of the Cyclops ==<br />
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Hi once more. Concerning these submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485522], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485520], statement in the notes of one of the verified publication says 'Exerpt of shoft story "Hour of the Cyclops" '. Nevertheless, you've added the story without the '(excerpt)' modifier. Do you have source/evidence it's not an excerpt, but the actual short story itself? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 09:07, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Because it's the exact same text, starting and ending with the same lines, as the online-readable story on 3LBE, which was its original publication. Whoever entered the "excerpt" note was unaware of that, it seems, and it also seems most people are unaware that they reprinted the story, which used to only be available in the original limited edition, in these later editions, since the book doesn't include the story on the contents page and so websites that list the contents miss it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks, approved. Also, don't forget to check on earlier messages on your talk page (there can be multiple) ;) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Planetfall ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5490780 this submission]: This seems like a story written in Planetfall setting and not a novelization of the game. The front page says "an authentically new adventure in the bestselling world of Planetfall." The description on the back does not sound like the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetfall video game]. Let me know if I'm missing something. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:22, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Hard to say; some Infocom-related sites call it a novelization, like https://yois.if-legends.org/salesinfo.php?id=1265, and http://www.locusmag.com/index/t168.htm and https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/planetfall do, too. But https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/Planetfall says, "Arthur Byron Cover wrote a novel for Planetfall and Stationfall though they're set after the games with similar events happening again", so it's hard to say. Technically it's not and neither is the sequel, so uncheck the novelization boxes, I suppose. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:05, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Editing records with primary verifications. ==<br />
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Another moderator contacted me about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5491318 this submission] that you made to change the title of a publication for which I have a primary verification. As has been mentioned before, our etiquette is to contact the active verfiers '''prior''' to submitting an edit unless it falls under one of the exceptions specified on the verifier's talk page. In my case, that is for adding a missing cover image, or adding notes. Changing the title does not fall into those exceptions. Please refrain from making further edits to records with primary verifications until after you have contacted the active primary verifiers first. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:33, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Well, you didn't enter the title as it appears on the copyright page, Year's Best Weird Fiction, Vol. 1, but you also didn't enter it as it appears on the title page (there's no comma) nor did you enter it as is standard on ISFDB for series anthologies with subtitles, adding a colon between the title and the subtitle, so it's hard to figure out what you intended to do. As you told the mod who contacted you, the title now matches the other books in the series, which is how it should have been entered in the first place. It's easy to say contact PV first, but many of them never answer or they answer with anger at daring to question their work or they say they're not really active anymore and they don't care much about any changes made. In the future I'll be sure to contact you about any and every change since you seem to still be semi-active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::A verifier is not necessarily the person who entered the data and things do occasionally get missed. However, that is the point here. Regardless of the merits of the edit, you should have asked me before you entered it and I know that I've asked you to do so before. I'm sorry if other verifiers responded with anger, but that is no reason to ignore the requirement with respect to all verifiers. I'll also point out that the Last User Activity Date is right next to the indication of verification. Given that I make edits most days, I am puzzled as to why you think I'm only semi-active or why you would have thought I was inactive long enough that you were exempt from the requirement to pre-notify. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:15, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Probably because the last edit of mine you approved was 10 days ago, so I just assumed you'd given up like another mod has recently or you were sick and/or in the hospital for the umpteenth time like several of the other mods. Anyway, a few more problems I've noticed since looking at all of this again: 1) The title date of #1 is earlier than the edition you PV but there's no record for an earlier edition here; 2) The foreign edition is the only book in the "Modern Weird" Series with no series #, format or cover artist, and the other 3 books are listed as 2 PB and a TP, so obviously one of those formats is wrong; 3) Volume 3 HC has no page count, cover artist or contents, and while cover images for both editions are the same and the TP does have a cover artist later volumes in the series have a different cover (#4 also has 2 separate cover artists) for each edition so it's possible that whoever entered 3's HC cover just copy-and-pasted the TP cover without checking to see if that was the right cover, as has happened so many times before with other books ; 4) Volume 4 HC has no ISBN or page count, doesn't have the day entered like the TP does, and neither edition has page numbers entered for the contents; 5) Volume 5 HC has no cover artist, the page counts of each edition are different, and neither edition has page numbers entered for the contents, plus the viewable e-book on Amazon (never entered on ISFDB) says Five, not 5, in the title, so both editions probably have the wrong title. I may have missed something, but these are the problems I see, in case anyone chances across this message and can fix anything I've mentioned. EDIT: While there don't seem to be any eBay copies of this series with anything other than cover photos, I did find this: https://alligatortreegraphics.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/ybwf5.pdf, so Volume 5 clearly should be Five since this is either the TP or HC judging by the fact that the contents page has page numbers on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Your definition of being active in the project as has approved your submissions recently is odd. In the context of who is required to be notified before editing their verified publications you should determine who is an active editor by the Last User Activity Date shown in the publication record. I don't know why you continue to try to find excuses to circumvent this requirement, but this requirement applies any publication verified by an active editor; not just moderators, and certainly not just moderators that have approved your edits recently. Your suppositions about my health are also odd. I don't know why you would assume that I am sick or hospitalized. I have been consistently active on the site for many years, except when traveling, which I always note in the Moderator Availability list at the head of the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]]. There is a much simpler explanation as to why I have not approved any of your edits in the last 10 days. That is because there are many other edits before yours in the queue. Currently, the earliest edit in the queue which is not held, or has some other question preventing its approval is from October 30. Your earliest unheld edit is from November 18. While some moderators may cherry pick which editors they want to approve, I do not. I work from the earliest edits first. There are simply hundreds if not thousands of edits in the queue before yours. As for your questions regarding the Year's Best Weird Fiction series, it sounds like you have some research to do. I do think it's unlikely that anyone with insight happening upon this thread under this heading are quite small. You'd probably have better luck posting a question in [[ISFDB:Verification requests|Verification requests]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:56, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Picture Mommy Dead ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5496327 this submission]. Looking at the Wikipedia article for the film, it does not appear that there are any supernatural elements to the story. Do you have evidence that the novel has speculative elements that would make it eligible for inclusion in the project? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:19, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Oh yes, it's like a Gothic novel in film form, with a young lady seeing hallucinations of the fiery ghost of her dead mommy, bleeding paintings, creepy talking dolls, etc., while her wicked stepmother tries to get her inheritance; at the end she and her dad go insane. So I think it would qualify even if some of those things may only be in her mind; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLN90cNNomw. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:08, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::That description sounds psychological as opposed to supernatural which doesn't qualify under our [[ISFDB:Policy#Definitions of Speculative Fiction|Definitions of Speculative Fiction]]. I'll cross post this on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|Community Portal]] and see if we can get some additional opinions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:08, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Cage ==<br />
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Regarding your comment in the moderator note of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5513407 this submission]: Yes, the canonical title is dated with the date of first appearance even if the first appearance was under an alternate name. The only exception is if a translation appeared before it was published in the original language. We use the first canonical language publication date in those cases.<br />
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By the way, http://www.philsp.com/ links to specific entries are pretty much useless as they are not stable. When they add new data or otherwise make updates to their site, the links end up pointing to different data. I removed it from the notes as it no longer pointed to the the Ray Russell entry. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:43, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Fast Ships, Black Sails ==<br />
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What is the source of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5515393 this date change]? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:00, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:As so often happens, someone, in this case the long-gone/dead Bluesman, submitted and approved the title date in late 2010, but the 2 PV, you and RTrace, had verified the book in 2009 and early 2010 and so nobody ever fixed the book date to match the title date, so I did. If either of you two want to fix all the other cover art/essay/story dates now you can do so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::The month does not appear in the book. Amazon does give October, but it would be better to have a more reliable source. I changed the title record to be just 2008 and rejected the edit. You can re-add the Internet Archive link based on the desire you expressed to do it yourself in our earlier discussion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:52, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Movie Fantastic ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5502186 your edit], it seems to me that ISBN ending in 139 is for the tp edition - see [https://www.ebay.com/itm/274089387617] and [https://archive.org/details/moviefantasticbe00anna/]. A price tag of $2.95 would be consistent with that. ISBN ending in 163 is for HC - see [https://www.abebooks.com/9780517518168/Movie-Fantastic-Beyond-Dream-Machine-0517518163/plp]. Would also mean that OL & OCLC IDs would have to be removed from the hc edition & moved to the tp edition (which doesn't exist yet). Am assuming LCCN is for the hc edition. Could you double-check this makes sense? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 09:47, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:It's been so long since I did this that I don't remember the details, so I just cancelled it. If you want to take it up yourself maybe you can figure out what's what. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Zelig ==<br />
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You contributed the publication [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929400 Zelig]. But I wonder if this has speculative contents. Could you explain why this pub should be selected? The content of the film does not appear to have any speculative elements. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 02:59, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: It was nominated for a Saturn Award for Best Director and a SF Chronicle Award for Dramatic Presentation, it was reviewed by Colin Greenland in genre magazine Imagine (January 1984), etc. The title character is a chameleon who can physically change in order to fit in and moves through history taking on the characteristics of famous figures. It's a fantasy, certainly, even if it probably wasn't marketed that way because of the usual snobbery against genre films. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:32, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. By the way, I read about me in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Shadow_Games_and_Other... here]. I've been working on 'Cleanup Reports' for a while to correct missing data. But I don't check who previously entered data before each edit. Regarding 'The Haunted Gay', the publication was created after 10/24/2016, so the first contributor is not apparent. Sorry for causing annoyance. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:02, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Image ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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Could you please take another look at [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Clive Barker Author Photo|this discussion]]. There has been a third edit to change the author image and I think we need to reach a consensus rather than continue to churn the image. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:27, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nog's Vision ==<br />
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These submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548247 submission1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548248 submission2] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548249 Submission3] are not correct. <br />
<ul><li>If [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?117165 Brian Hall] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352747 Brian P. Hall] are the same author, then we make Brian P. Hall an alternate name of Brian Hall and variant [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 The Wizard of Maldoone].<br />
<li>If they are not the same author then we make Brian Hall(I) the author of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1823138 Nog's Vision], an alternate name for Brian P. Hall and variant. </ul><br />
Are you able to make a determination? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:02, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I guess you're right. Cancel them and do whatever you need to; I see you just did some other edits for this title, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:27, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: All I did was convert [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 The Wizard of Maldoone] to a chapbook. I was hoping you could determine whether any(all) of the Brian Hall titles are by Brian P. Hall. Will research them? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Books by Hall and P. Hall both published by Paulist Press; also, bio in Brian Hall book calls him Brian P. Hall. So yes, they're the same person. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Donald Glut ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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You had submitted an edit to make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352637 Donald Glut] into a variant name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?2445 Donald F. Glut], which I approved. However, your subsequent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5569807 edit] changes the only credit as "Donald Glut" to "Donald F. Glut" effectively deleting the variant author. You have not indicated any source for the change in credit on the title page of the essay. Did you perhaps intend to make the essay into a variant title under the parent name? If so, please delete the edit and reissue as a make variant. If not, please provide your source for the author credit for the essay. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I rejected it and it says TitleUpdate; I did it again and it says MakeVariant. I think that's what it should have been in the first place. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Hasty for the Dark: Selected Horrors ==<br />
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After accepting your submissions correcting the author attribution for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?632493 Hasty for the Dark: Selected Horrors], I removed all the Adam Nevill titles and imported or added the Adam L. G. Nevill titles. If you intended to do it yourself, I'm sorry. There was no note to moderator letting me know your intentions. Next time, change the pub and title records before importing the contents. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:20, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:What will changing those records first do in terms of the contents? I'm never clear about these kind of details. Would it eliminate some steps afterwards? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:24, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Hopefully you would have submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574809 this import] instead of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5132606 this one] saving the removal step. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:42, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Final Shadows ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574427 This submission], I think you meant to link to the tp edition. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:09, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No, because photo of back cover has HC ISBN and price + other photos are clearly of the HC, too. FantLab just jumbles together info from various sources; nothing they write is reliable, only photos are reliable. By the way, you're one of the mods who seem to like following up on some of the edits you approve with your own edits so I'll mention that the last FantLab photo has a date, September 27, which is supposedly when it was scheduled to come out, in case you can find a publisher's slip photo or something to verify. Of course, that would also mean having to change all the story dates, too, so you may not want to bother. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:21, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree, the photos are of the hc edition. If this is common, I'll watch for it. Pondering on whether we should add a pub note whenever this situation arises. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:00, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Ritual ==<br />
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In edits like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574855 this], what is your preference? Create the variant or leave it for you? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:50, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:If you notice something needs a variant it would be better for you to do it because you're a mod and your edit will be approved immediately while mine will probably sit there at the top of my long list for days/weeks, which is silly for those kinds of small repetitive edits. If you don't notice or don't have the time I or someone else will notice eventually and do it. It's up to you. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:02, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Got it, thanks. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:04, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Bitternest Chronicles ==<br />
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Any thoughts on whether we should change the publication date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325516 here]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:07, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I tend to leave post-2007 ISBN-13 dates alone because e-books made such a mess of determining exact publication dates it's usually hard or impossible to tell when something was actually published. That doesn't mean someone else can't change it if they feel like they're sure when it was actually published. The publisher seems very obscure, although I did find that cool Youtube trailer so apparently at one point they thought they were going to be something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Links in notes ==<br />
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Do you still want me to convert [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?61965 this] to a clickable link? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:01, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please do make any link I provide (there must be thousands by now) clickable if you really want to; I'm an amateur who knows nothing about HTML or hot tags or whatever they call them and just let people cut-and-paste if they want to see the linked whatever. Coincidentally, see my 2 sad attempts at linking to that Bloch boxed set Amazon link you approved a little while ago, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582236, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582241. Also, the Bloch Midnight Pleasures edit you just approved didn't see me move my old note to the bullet list, or whatever you call it, in the notes, which I do when I see any these days because I've learned how to do it, and I also noticed that in the moderator notes I said "Archive.org copy" instead of link; I usually use the word copy when I'm writing about where I got info from in the regular note section. I think it was very late and I was very tired when I was doing a bunch of Bloch edits and wasn't up to my usual standard. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alex Andreev / Alex Andreyev ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5580997 This submission]. I'm sure you saw the website name. Did you consider going the other way? Just asking. I'm okay either way, can always be changed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:54, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: I suppose you're right, but I think then it would make sense to move all the info as Andreyev over to the empty record for Andreev, right? I checked that Metronome book in Google Books and it's Andreyev like ISFDB says. I can't find a photo of the French Tad Williams book with the artist's name on it and that interior art credit as Andreev is also in Google Books but a search couldn't find the art, so what it's really signed is unknown. I was hoping that all credits would really be under one name or the other and somebody just entered them wrong here, but there's definitely at least 1 book as Andreev and 1 as Andreyev so far. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:12, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree, the data needs to be moved if you switch. Submit everything, ping here and I'll approve. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:24, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:26, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robot Trouble ==<br />
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Should we add a note mentioning the 21 page difference between the L-O-C entry and our publication record? Looks like all our publication data came from Locus. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:46, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Determining canonical name ==<br />
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You have pending submissions which would make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?154935 Lucy Finn] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?32990 Savannah Russe] alternate names for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161282 Charlee Ganny]. Assuming they are the same person, shouldn't Savannah Russe be the canonical name? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:35, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:The bio in that stupid Chihuahua Wolf or whatever says Ganny and mentions those other 2 names as pseudonyms, so I think Ganny should be parent, but I don't really care if anyone wants to change that if the rules here, whatever they are, say so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:15, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::I just came across the same edits and have the same question. Our standards are that the canonical name should be the name by which the author is best know in the genre. Generally, that would be the name they are most frequently published as. In this case, most of the author's works are published as by Savannah Russe, which is why that name should be canonical. If Charlee Ganny is the author's legal name, that can be reflected in the Legal Name field in the canonical record. It would also have been helpful if you had added the source for this in the notes to the moderator. I looked at both the provided archive.org link (borrow unavailable) and the Amazon look inside feature and neither have access to the about the author page. Are you working from a physical copy? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::If I was working from a physical copy I would have PV it. I don't know, I just assume that if a complete amateur like me can find all this stuff that all you expert moderators should be able to find it, too, which is probably why sometimes I don't lay out exact details. As I've explained before, for some reason many books that were uploaded on Archive.org only link directly from OL, identifiable by that blue-and-white Preview button, but you can still search inside them even if you can't borrow them (I like searching for the word "the" which appears on most pages) and find something like this, https://archive.org/details/chihuawolftailof0000gann_y0f7/page/138/mode/2up, which explains what's what. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:59, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::If you had added that in the moderator notes in the first place, John and I wouldn't have had to question your source. It's to your own benefit as well. If we aren't spending our time recapitulating research that you've already done, we can spend more time reviewing edits. As to these edits, the canonical name should be Savannah Russe. Please see [[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName|this template]] which explains how we decide what name should be canonical. Unfortunately, your edits are making a lesser know name canonical and they'll have to be rejected. Please resubmit these making Russe the canonical name. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:57, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title Change of One of Multiple Publications with the Same Title ==<br />
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Hi Username<br />
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I'm holding your edit to update the title of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284335 1996 publication] of "Moonchasers and Other Stories" to "Moonchasers & Other Stories". I'm also holding the same change to the various contained title records. The issue with your edit is that there are two publications under the current title. Assuming the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284334 2000 publication] has the "and" as opposed to the ampersand, your edits will result in the 2000 publication containing several incorrect title records. I'm guessing that you did not find evidence that the 2000 pub should be titled with an ampersand, or you would have changed it as well. If you can find such evidence, please change that record as well, and I can approve your edits. If not, you'll need to unmerge the title record for the novel and the cover art, then retitle them, and make the old versions variants of the newly created and changed ones. For the other titles, you can remove them from the 1996 publication, add new content with the correct title, and again make variants after that is done. Please let me know what you find about the 2000 publication, and we'll know how to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:30, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Return to Avalon ==<br />
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Regarding your note to moderator, you are correct in both counts. Submit the change in page count and cover art credit, note whether you want the reviewer to create the alt name and variant, and leave a note for [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Ofearna Ofearna]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:12, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Approved the cover art credit. I assume you will link alt name and create the variant title. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:04, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Heir ==<br />
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Submit the edit to add the series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3150734 here] and I'll approve it. No need to wait for the whole queue to be cleared. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:28, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Duel: Terror Stories by Richard Matheson ==<br />
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While reviewing your updates to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?637552 this publication], I looked at the back cover. I think the team of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25696 Shelley Eshkar] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25679 Jan Uretsky] should be credited for the cover art. Even though the earlier pubs don't credit them, it is the same art for all four. I wouldn't have seen it but for your submissions, so you should go ahead and make the changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:36, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Cover artists are credited on the back flap of the HC. The 2 artists, Shelley E. and Jan U., are credited separately and together on ISFDB for numerous covers, but none as by Eshkar/Uretsky. Not sure if the e-book with a date of January 4th came before the TP/HC, so if anyone can figure out which was the first true edition then artist can be entered, imported to other editions, and artist name made a variant of the individual names. Looking into this online also opened up this mess, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?12265, where the cover art is credited to Eshkar/Uretsky but nobody, not even the many PV, actually entered it that way, even though there are many mentions in notes that that's how it appears in the book, plus Larry Stewart interior art was only entered for the original HC but it's mentioned in several notes for other editions, there's an excerpt in the '99 Tor PB, which is the only copy on Archive.org-I just added a link to it in an edit, one of those weird preview-only copies that only show up if you search on Open Library-which has the date of the HC but almost certainly didn't appear in the HC, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:05, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: For Duel, I would enter the names separately and add an appropriate note to each publication treating the hc as the earliest publication.<br />
:: I don't see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?12265 Factoring Humanity] as a mess.<br />
::* The Tor hc and Orb tp's clearly state the names are shown separately.<br />
::* Both Tor pb's have an appropriate note stating how the credit appears.<br />
::[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:22, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Second printing of Witchcraft ==<br />
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You submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597754 this edit] to add a note to the April 2001 Pinnacle printing printing of ''Witchcraft'' that it is the second printing. I don't see a date listed in the scan of the book. Do you have evidence that the second printing was issued in April 2001? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:03, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:The only copy on eBay that shows a copyright page shows the same number line ending in 2 with the same March 1997 original date; the record here was entered a long time ago by ChrisJ, who had a habit of entering dates from Amazon, I guess, but not leaving any notes. Searching Google shows an Amazon page with an April 1 date and another that says "New Edition (7 June 2001)", but clicking on that link just goes to a page with the same April date. So there seems to be some confusion; possibly this was a reprint of the original, thus the 2 in the number line, and then there was a later edition that actually has a new 2001 date on the copyright page. Who knows? So you may as well cancel it and maybe someone will find out for sure sometime. I noticed that the same author has a phantom publication from 1994 in his record, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Done. Chris is active and has always been responsive to my questions. As it happens, he added a Locus1 verification which is the source for the April 2001 reprint date. I would recommend cloning the record and creating an undated publication record for the second printing with the scan. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:28, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Haunted JARVEE ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5602538 this submission]. The variant title always carries the date of it's first occurrence, not the date of the canonical title when author attribution is the same for both.. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:26, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bob/Robert Chronister ==<br />
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Hi Username<br />
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I'm holding your edits to make Bob Chronister a child name of Robert Chronister. I'm curious as to why you chose Robert as the canonical name. The canonical name should be the name by which the person is best known in the genre. In this case, Bob has 4 credits whereas Robert has only 3. I know it's a close call. Are you aware of additional credits as Robert that you are intending to add? If not, I think we should probably make Bob the canonical name. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:10, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Text Search for "By Bob Chronister" on Archive.org gets 27 hits, "By Robert Chronister" gets 49 hits. So Robert seems a bit more common and it's the longer and likely legal name, so I thought it should be the parent. I wouldn't doubt that there are other genre books out there with cover art by him that await entering here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Neither the legal name nor the longest name matter for purposes of determining the canonical name. See [[Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName|this help template]]. I'm concerned about your analysis. How many of the titles reference the same artwork? How many of those titles are genre as opposed to non-genre? Is the internet archive a good sampling of all the artists genre publications? Are there any records where the artist is credited without the preceding "By". If I had been the one making these edits, I would have made Bob Chronister the canonical name simply because it's slightly more common of the records that we have documented. Which is why I'm questioning this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:19, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm not sure what's best, because I just entered an edit for the 1983 Bantam PB of the 1973 novel Castaways on Long Ago, with art by Bob, but other Bantam books on Archive.org, including the PB of Have a Heart, Cupid Delaney, which only has the HC on ISFDB, say art by Robert. He also did many other Bantam books and went back and forth between first names. So unless someone finds a bibliography or something and counts exactly how many covers were done under each name it's really impossible to say what's the "preferred" name. I'll try to enter that Cupid PB and find another genre book with Robert as the name so it'll be equal, 5-5, and then you won't have to cancel my edits. I'll respond when I'm done if I'm successful. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:58, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Done. I entered Cupid and also Blossom Culp and the Sleep of Death. Bob 5, Robert 5. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I've approved the edits. We can revisit this again if the ratio of the names gets too out of wack. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edit for Dark Cities Underground ==<br />
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You left a note about in your update to {{P|8781|Dark Cities Underground}} regarding the cover artist credit. A merge would not be appropriate in this instance. The COVERART for the {{P|284003|book club edition}} is the same title. If you have evidence that the book club edition is also credited as "Donato" then we could merge. I realize that it probably is credited thus, but I wouldn't want to change what another editor added unless I had seen evidence. You could have accomplished this merge through the advance search feature. However, what you want to do in this case is to import the title record {{T|743977}} into the trade publication and remove {{T|138845}} from the same publication. You'll also need to update the date of the Donato record. These edits can be done in any order, but I'd add an explanation in the moderator notes, so the approving moderator will know what's going on. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:09, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ting Ling ==<br />
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At [[User talk:Zapp#Vernon Bowen]], you mention a Dodd, Mead first edition --a mistake for David McKay(?). I have some notes on all four ''Ting Ling'' T{{t|2474271}} publications (eds/printings/publishers as well as author). Among other things, the Open Library book is wrongly identified (WorldCat and ISFDB) as the 1966 Young Readers Press, but it's the 1969-10 2nd printing.<br />
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I'm not sure whether I should be able to find your submissions in the queue. Its a busy weekend so I'll wait. If you did create a "Dodd, Mead" then as self-approver I should be able to complete a manual merge, in effect.<br />
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I see that Archive.org mis-catalogs the David McKay as 1966 Katonah NY: Young Readers. Do you have any experience with correction of such data? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:04, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Oh yeah, David McKay, sorry, both start with D. M. https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5609262 is my first submission followed by 5609270, 5609272, 5609276. I think those are all the ones I did concerning this book. I would assume you probably have to be a member of Open Library or something to fix errors, of which there are countless on that site. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:47, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Open Library cover discrepancy ==<br />
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For the 7th printing ''Dragon's Milk'' by Susan Fletcher P{{p|198429}}, we have OL front cover image (covers.openlibrary.org) of a copy from publication series "Aladdin Fantasy". Half of my long publ Note concerns this problem. But the book scanned has otherwise identical cover that shows "Aladdin Fiction". Do we/you have a way to use cover images from OL/archive.org ebooks rather than from coveres.openlibrary.org? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:11, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think you mean right-clicking the Archive.org image, https://archive.org/search?query=fletcher+dragon%27s-milk, "save image as", and then upload the image to our Wiki (either there'll already be one uploaded by someone else, in which case yours will replace the old one and then you go to the book's record and hit CTRL-F5 and the new image will appear, or there'll be no image previously uploaded, in which case after you upload yours you click the image link at the bottom and then enter it in the image field of the book's record in an edit and approve it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:52, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. It seems to me that that is what I mean :--)<br />
:: I was not aware that Archive.org generates a gallery of front covers (or first images in sets that make a book), only the Covers.OpenLibrary.org. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:37, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boris Dolgov ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5607016 this submission]. According to Darkworlds Quarterly, the man on the right is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?21111 Maxfield Parrish] and the photograph was taken by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?609 Hannes Bok]. Look [https://darkworldsquarterly.gwthomas.org/boris-dolgov-weird-tales-artist/ here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:06, 18 March 2023 (EDT)</div>
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== Front page performance and future changes ==<br />
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The way the ISFDB software generates the front page has been modified. In the past, the list of 20 publications to display was regenerated every time the page was displayed. Post-change the list is built once a day as part of the nightly process which regenerates cleanup reports. (If the nightly process doesn't run for some reason, the software will generate the list the old way.)<br />
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The immediate impact is that the page will load slightly faster, although the improvement will be marginal. Going forward, it means that we can make the process of selecting publications more sophisticated without affecting front page performance. For example, we should be able to display only one publication per author. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:40, 1 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: What happens if a title on the page gets re-dated during a day it is on the list? Books get delayed or better information (different jurisdiction or source which was incorrect) can cause a book publication date to change - especially on the pre-release records? Generating a few extra titles and ordering by date at display time (or something like that) may solve that issue nicely. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:49, 1 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: That's exactly what the new nightly process does. It selects 30 publications and stores them in a separate locations. The front page software uses that list of 30 pubs to build a list of 20 pubs which still meet the requirements. If the new list has less than 20 pubs, the software decides that something must have gone wrong with the nightly process and rebuilds the list from the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:38, 1 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: And didn’t we actually have 22 books on that list before? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:49, 1 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: The old code had the value of the "MaxBooks" variable set to 21. I thought it was rounded down to 20 due to the displaying 2 books per HTML table row, but it looks like you are right and the algorithm rounded it up to 22. The new code uses "20" without rounding. We can easily change "20" to "22" if desired. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:38, 1 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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=== Proposed Changes Going Forward ===<br />
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Now that the process of building the list of pubs displayed on the front page has been moved to the nightly job, we can fine-tune it without adversely affecting front page performance.<br />
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The first idea, which was briefly discussed a few weeks ago, is to allow only one publication per author. That way if a publisher reprints multiple books by a popular author and they all come out on the same day, only one will appear on the front page.<br />
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I think this would be an improvement, but there is a caveat. Suppose Book 2 in a series comes out in hardcover and the publisher makes Book 1 available in paperback on the same day. If we implement the proposed enhancement, our software will display only one of the books, semi-randomly picking Book 1 or Book 2 even though we would prefer Book 2 to be displayed because it's a new book and not a reprint.<br />
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There are two ways we could address this issue. The first one would be to institute a "no reprints on the front page" rule. The second one would be to check the date of each pub's ''reference title'' and display the pub with the latest date for each author.<br />
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Which one would be a better choice? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:44, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I prefer the second option. We want some reprints I think. Plus we have the pesky problem of translations - if the new book is in German but has a new title and the old translation, for us it is a new title but in reality it is a reprint. Same applies for any renamed book (even if the book just gets & swapped for "and" or something as trivial). And sometimes what looks like a reprint (because there is an earlier book in the publications list) is actually the first publication - due to early (or misdated) translation or early audio version (although technically this is a publication after all) or a book that never made it out but was never cleaned from the list and so on. Unless you make a manual process, reprints will always trickle in. So we may as well just suppress them a bit when they compete with another title. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:55, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Sounds good. {{FR|1542}}, "Limit the front page to one pub per author", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:25, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Done. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:13, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantastic Fiction URLs updated ==<br />
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All Fantastic Fiction URLs which used HTTP have been updated to use HTTPS. If you come across any issues, please post them here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:49, 3 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Series deletion -- submission review page updated ==<br />
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The submission review page for Series Deletion submissions has been updated. The only change is the addition of a link to the about-to-be-deleted series record and slightly fancier formatting. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publication deletion -- submission review page updated ==<br />
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The submission review page for Publication Deletion submissions has been updated. A few links have been added. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Pratchett's The Unadulterated Cat: The Amazing Maurice Edition ==<br />
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Are there any followers of Terry Pratchett who can help me work out what this upcoming UK pub is, in terms of content? [https://www.gollancz.co.uk/titles/terry-pratchett/the-unadulterated-cat/9781399608688/ Publisher's listing]; [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Unadulterated-Cat-Amazing-Maurice/dp/1399608681 Amazon UK]; [https://www.waterstones.com/book/9781399608688 Waterstones]. As far as I can work out, it's a new edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8776 a non-genre novel], but with artwork/imagery from the film adaptation of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22285 an otherwise unrelated Discworld novel]? Searching on Twitter and Google didn't throw up anything that provided any further enlightenment... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:35, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: TVTropes [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheUnadulteratedCat says]:<br />
:* [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DolledUpInstallment Dolled-Up Installment]: Republished in 2022 with [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/TheAmazingMaurice the animated version of the Amazing Maurice] on the cover, and the word "Cat" clawed out of the title and replaced with "Maurice" in a much bigger font.<br />
: Also, I am not sure I would call this book a novel. I skimmed it a couple of decades ago and, IIRC, it's a humorous "treatise" on the nature of cats. TVTropes calls it "nonfiction(ish) book". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:53, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks, I'll add it over the weekend. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:17, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Title deletion -- submission review page updated ==<br />
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The submission review page for Title Deletion submissions has been updated. A couple of links have been added. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:46, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== "Cannonical" ==<br />
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Hi, mods. I just wanted to bring to your attention that after adding an alternate name and it says, "View Cannonical Name" and "View Alternate Name," "canonical" is misspelled. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 01:55, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Fixed. Thanks for identifying the problem! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:37, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== DMCA for The Alchemy of Reality ==<br />
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There have been a number of attempts in the past to remove ''The Alchemy of Reality'' (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?554754). The author has resorted to a DMCA takedown with our hosting provider. Since failure to address a DMCA can be a cause for loss of hosting, I am going to delete as much of Andy Echevarria's bibliography as makes sense. (He has works in other magazines and anthologies, which can remain) --[[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 14:13, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: The story "Doppelganger", https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2303407, actually appeared years earlier in Aphelion, http://www.aphelion-webzine.com/shorts/2008/04/Doppelganger.html, but the author had it removed. Is this person known for doing this kind of thing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:44, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: That's interesting background, which requires a strategy for what to do if the author files another DMCA takedown to remove their stories from in-print publications. One method would be to change their canonical name to ''LEGALLY REDACTED AUTHOR #1'', which would allow the title to remain present in the table of contents, but would separate the author's name from the story title (although nothing would stop us from listing those redacted authors on a Wiki page). We also don't currently have a mechanism in place to prevent the addition of new content for ... problematic authors. For now I have put a note on the author's page instructing that no additional solo content should be added to the bibliography.--[[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 14:58, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: I am looking at the [http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf US government's explanation of what DMCA does] (PDF file) and, as far as I can tell, DMCA prevents unauthorized distribution, copying or access to copyrighted works. I don't see anything about suppressing bibliographic records of published books. [[ISFDB:Policy#Data_Deletion_Policy]] is identical to [https://help.goodreads.com/s/article/How-Do-I-Delete-My-Book-From-the-Goodreads-Database-1550590077773 that of Goodreads]:<br />
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:::* Deleting published books from our system is against policy. Goodreads is striving to be a complete database of all published works, including works that are out-of-print. ... Just as a library would not remove a record from its catalog, so do we not remove books from our database.<br />
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::: Since Goodreads has been owned by Amazon since 2013, I assume that this 2019 policy has been reviewed and approved by Amazon lawyers, so it presumably complies with DMCA<br />
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::: If our server were hosted in a European Union country, the author might be able to leverage the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_be_forgotten Right to be forgotten], but it doesn't apply in the US. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:28, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: P.S. I used database backups to create a local copy of the deleted publication and title records. Between them and Edit History we should be able to restore the data if and when the DMCA issues are sorted out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:48, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, he could get in trouble for filing false DMCA notices. Since all we have would be a fair use cover image, and the bibliographic information is not copyrighted data, the DMCA notice has no legal basis. [https://www.websitepolicies.com/blog/dmca-counter-notice This] may be helpful in addressing this issue (especially [https://www.websitepolicies.com/blog/dmca-counter-notice#send-a-dmca-counter-notice this part]). See also [https://www.gerbenlaw.com/blog/false-dmca-takedown-notices-ninth-circuit-holds-that-copyright-owners-must-consider-fair-use-before-issuing-take-down-notices/ this], [https://copyrightalliance.org/education/copyright-law-explained/the-digital-millennium-copyright-act-dmca/dmca-counter-notice-process/ this], [http://smithlawtlh.com/false-fraudulent-bad-faith-dmca-take-claims/ this], [https://www.hinchnewman.com/internet-law-blog/2015/04/legal-copyright-dmca-takedown-notice/ this], and [https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/legal-how-to-responding-to-a-dmca-takedown-notice/ this]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:42, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks for the pointers. My take on it is that the two cover images (m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61in-QAQKHL.jpg and m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41pp04kXO3L.jpg) are -- from a purely bibliographic perspective -- relatively minor "nice to have" morsels, so removing them wouldn't be a big deal, but the core bibliographic data is important to retain. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:16, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: It does look like it would be a good idea to file a counter-notification, regardless of any other steps taken. Since he won't be able to demonstrate infringement, we'd then be able to restore the content. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:04, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:AndyEchevarria; This person was actually helpful for a couple of months, at least. What went wrong? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Front page pubs limited to one pub per author ==<br />
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As per discussion above, the list of "selected forthcoming publications" displayed on the front page has been limited to 1 pub per author. For each author, the pub associated with the latest reference title is selected. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:15, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== IT PB/TP ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?5646; I'm trying to get the right formats; I added the Wallace book recently, with a mod making it a TP, but others are PB or digest, with a big gap of years. Were they all TP, PB, digest or some of each with the format changing as time went on? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:36, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Here is the governing help page: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Format formats]. The sentence that applies here is<br />
:* Any other book that is at least 7.25" (or 19 cm) tall, or at least 4.5" (11.5 cm) wide/deep, and is not a hardback, should be entered as "tp".<br />
: We have a somewhat informal agreement for skirting around the top limit for French and German books (although the editors of either langueg really need to get the discussion going to put that into the rules because their books are technically entered against the rules) but the basic rule is that if a book is 19 cm or taller and a paperback and not a pamphlet, it is a tp. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:44, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: It's an Italian publication series, so I would apply the Help rule cited by Annie. We have enough trouble with borderline French and German publications; I don't think we want it to spread to other languages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:09, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== G. C. Edmondson legal name ==<br />
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I was messaged on Twitter that [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/edmondson_g_c SFE] (and also [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._C._Edmondson Wikipedia]) have a different legal name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1271 G. C. Edmondson]. Is there any sort of history why ISFDB might want have a different value - I note that [[Bio:G.%20C.%20Edmondson]] notes a hoax over his birthplace, so I wonder if there/were similar concerns over legal name?<br />
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I'd never heard of this guy before, so have no dog in this fight.<br />
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Also, is Wikipedia in the list of sites that can be linked to without having to do the bot challenge? If not, can it be whitelisted? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:14, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I think it's simply an oversight (or a simplification, or both). I've updated the name to be the full name. You can see the whitelist [[:MediaWiki:Captcha-addurl-whitelist|here]]. I agree that <code>wikipedia\.org</code> should be added to the list. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:22, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: The two relevant updates are from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?1696230 2011] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2041631 2012]. Who knows what the sources were saying back then. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:27, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks both. Re. whitelist, on reflection, I do remember seeing it before; I was getting mixed up with the fact that only Bureaucrats (IIRC) can edit the list. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:29, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: wikipedia.org has been added to the white list. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:35, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::: It's possible I misunderstood the comment "I've updated the name to be the full name.", but I'm still seeing "Edmondson, Garry Cotton" rather than "José Mario Garry Ordoñez Edmondson y Cotton" as the legal name? NB: I've no idea where the split between given and family names is in the latter, so I've just copied the SFE text rather than the "familyname, given name" form that would be needed for the legal name field [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 21:29, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:44, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Weird. My update seems to have entirely disappeared. Ah, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5451024 here it is]. Apparently I didn't hit the Approve button. (^_^; ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:33, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: Ah, did not think to check the queue. Sorry :) I tend to start or end my day with a quick glance at my pending edits to see if I forgot to approve something. Happens more often than I wish to admit... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:26, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Home page -- possible tweaks ==<br />
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Now that the software that builds the home page has been upgraded to improve performance and to limit the number of pubs per author, we can discuss other tweaks. <br />
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Currently the home page says:<br />
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* Note: Forthcoming books may be delayed due to the Coronavirus pandemic<br />
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This note was added in the spring of 2019 when ISBNs were being canceled left and right. Do we still need it 2.5 years into the pandemic?<br />
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Also, the list of displayed pubs is currently called "Selected Forthcoming Books". However, it also includes books published today. Should we change its name to "Selected New and Forthcoming Books" or should we change the software not to display books published today?<br />
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Finally, the home page currently displays 20 pubs. We could increase the number, but keep in mind that Al has been experimenting with the way pubs are displayed to better utilize our "screen real estate". It may be prudent to see what he comes up with before we alter the number of displayed pubs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:02, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Spring 2020 actually, even if it felt that a lot more time must have passed. Some thoughts<br />
:* We probably should replace it with something like "Note: Forthcoming books are added based on pre-publication data and the details may have changed" or something along these lines. As much as we all try to keep on top of changes, there are a lot of books being added and some change out of nowhere (case in point - the DAW Books new corporate ownership had caused a bit of a mess with their publication dates this fall and books keep getting moved around, with different sources updating at different times). Or we can rely on people understanding that pre-release data changes and just drop the message.<br />
:* I vote to eject the books published "today" - because of timezones and what's not, they are often yesterday's books for people who look at the list, especially for books published in Europe and Asia and editors there. <br />
:* I really liked the 22 books we used to have on this list - it was irregular and charming. But that can wait. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:30, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I'm not able to write up a full/coherent comment/justification/explanation right now, for various reasons, but I'd vote for:<br />
::* Keeping today's books and tweaking the text to be "New and ..." per Ahasuerus suggestion<br />
::* Having a generic caveat message per Annie's suggestion - my impression that the delays we get now are all due to mundane reasons and not Covid. (FWIW, I've seen plenty of cases of other forthcoming book lists e.g. tor.com that have stuff that has had known delays for a long while before those pieces were published)<br />
:: If this discussion is still ongoing by the weekend, I'll edit in my reasons for the above. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 21:25, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::The changes I had in mind for the front page were relatively small, but I did want to address the massive amounts of wasted whitespace that makes for a really long page that requires unnecessary scrolling. So at a minimum:<br />
:::* Reduce the supporting text associated with the publication (for instance the ISBN isn't really necessary on the front page - some sites simply show the coverart with no associated text at all), and align any remaining text under the cover art, rather than beside it. That will double the available real estate per line for more books.<br />
:::* Increase the image size, so that the cover art dominates the canvas.<br />
:::* Swap forthcoming books with the author section (switching top to bottom).<br />
:::* Change 'authors born on this day' to 'living authors born on this day'. I have toyed with having author pictures (if available) in this section.<br />
:::* Consider changing 'authors who died on this day' to 'recent deaths'.<br />
:::* Use multi-column layout for the author information, to again reduce whitespace, and change the placement of the living/dead sections from side-to-side to top/bottom.<br />
:::When I first mocked those changes up, it resulted in page that required no scrolling. When I start on this again, I'll put the front page up at isfdb2.org for feedback.[[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 22:13, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: One thing to keep in mind is that we have a separate [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/calendar_menu.cgi SF Calendar] page. It's linked in the navigation bar on the left and it's effectively a list of all 366 days in the year arranged in the form of a calendar. Each "day cell" is a link to its respective "On This Day in SF" page. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/calendar_day.cgi?10+12 On This Day in SF - October 12] lists the authors who were born and who died on October 12. We can tweak these Web pages to have more content and/or we can link to them from the home page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:21, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::I think linking to the SF Calendar page from the main page (either at the top or bottom of the list of birthdays/death days) would be good. Perhaps something like "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/calendar_menu.cgi See the full calendar here]". ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:58, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dark Horizons Issues ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5452182; It'll probably be a while before this is approved, so just inquiring whether anyone owns a copy, because as can be seen there is a whole bunch of missing/alternate stuff, but as usual with old zines the only way to know for sure how things are inside is an actual print copy or a scan of one, which as far as I can tell doesn't exist online. Also see the photos on Dalby's site because there are also reviews/other art credits/etc. that may need entering. This is yet another example that just entering info from Galactic Central or Locus isn't reliable. There are probably other early issues that could use a real copy, too, if anyone owns any of them, since I suspect other info entered here may be wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:26, 12 October 2022 (EDT)--[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:26, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mind Brothers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286043; https://archive.org/details/mindbrothers00heat; Archive copy upped in 2010, nobody ever linked it so I did, 5 PV but only 2 active, so if GlennMcG or Spacecow read this why is there a note that says there's something written on the back cover about never-before-published that's not on the back cover, or maybe Archive copy is cut off at the bottom? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Maxime Durand canonical name ==<br />
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Any objections to switching the canonical name of {{A|Maxime Durand}} to Maxime J. Durand? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:14, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Nope. He started out as "Void Herald" on RoyalRoad, then republished his serials in book form as by "Maxim Durand" and finally seems to have settled on "Maxime J. Durand". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]])<br />
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== Dash It All ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260265; I added a bunch of Archive.org links to Spinetinglers series, replaced unstable images, and fixed some page counts, but the last book I did said I modified the Regular title when I didn't; there's some weird thing with the dash in the title being OK in 1 variant but spelled out as a word in the other, which may be responsible for the screw-up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:57, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Meddling With Ghosts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244541; Someone recently uploaded Shadows in the Attic (British Library) to Archive.org so I did some editing on it, then remembered there was a Ramsey Campbell anthology from them around the same time so I fixed dates and added some ID's (title date being 2000 while book date was 4/2001), but there seems to be a cover problem, with those on FantLab, https://fantlab.ru/edition170209, and Richard Dalby's site looking different than the one on ISFDB. So was there another edition or is the ISFDB cover a prelim and the others the actual hardcover's cover? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:55, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Server issues -- 2022-10-14 ==<br />
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All regular (i.e. bibliographic) pages are currently broken. Edit pages and moderator pages are fine, but that doesn't help much. Investigating. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:40, 14 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: The problem has been resolved. If you come across any issues, please post the URL of the problematic page here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:51, 14 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you, Ahasuerus!—[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:06, 14 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Citizen of the Galaxy ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/books/OL20657077M/Citizen_of_the_Galaxy; I was adding a ton of Robert Hale book edits when I came across this, which is not by Hale regardless of what it says; it's actually an old Scribner's edition, with a code on the copyright page that doesn't match the codes added to the notes of the other early editions on ISFDB. Experts in these old SF books may know what year that code means and may want to enter this as a new edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:05, 16 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Devil in Velvet ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/devilinvelvetmod00john; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?13311; There seems to be only 1 edition of this J.D. Carr novel on Archive.org, but the 2 1968 Bantam editions on ISFDB have an August date while the notes say February, which is what it says in the book. 1 was PV by Don Erikson, 1 by Bluesman, they're both non-active, so does anyone think it's a mistake and the month should be fixed? I'm going to add the link to the US edition, anyway. EDIT: While adding the Archive link I noticed it said the ID in the title and it turns out whoever entered it here got that wrong, too, so I just went ahead and fixed the month and ID in both the American and Canadian editions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:30, 16 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: ("it said the ID in the title" --I don't know what that means.)<br />
: If I understand correctly (iiuc) the histories and verifications, *August* numerical publication date 1968-08 of both US and Canada printing/pricing[*] dates from User:Mhhutchins 2010-01-22 use of Tuck as a source, or earlier. Probably the origin is Tuck or Mhh clerical error.<br />
: --given the title leaf quotation-- I would simply revise to 1968-02, not revise the Note.<br />
: More info: The record shows Don Erikson 2013-01-06 primary verified (PV) the US printing without revising the record (added image URL and text Note four days later). And iiuc, it shows Bluesman 2014-08-10 executed a hasty clone-and-modify as the Canada printing. Both PV overlooked 1968-08. For what it's worth, 1968-08 where month 8 matches "8" from the year, is the one of twelve numerical months that I deem easiest to overlook.<br />
: Limitation: I know that history of Variant relations is missing before 2021-01-11 and history of AddPub, ClonePub is missing before 2016-10-24. I suppose that all record of changes is missing, some time before 2010-01-22, but when? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:36, 17 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I meant that the uploader to Archive.org graciously included the catalog ID in their title, which caught my eye and led me to discover that was (also) entered wrong here. Honestly, the way things are going right now I doubt anyone cares very much about this, since I currently have over 1,000 edits in my queue. By the time someone gets around to this edit I'll have forgotten about it, anyway. If you wish you can follow up if it's approved and make sure everything's proper. I'll just add that when doing some Carr edits recently it's obvious there's a ton of other editions and other books by him that are genre-related and should be on ISFDB, in case anyone's interested. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:11, 17 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Another Signature ID ==<br />
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Can anyone identify ''this'' signature? https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/70/Screen_Shot_2022-10-17_at_2.28.28_AM.png<br />
It's from an illustration in the February '68 Playboy. Playboy, it seems, is not as good about crediting their illustrators as they are their photographers. (Even in 2004, [https://ia803201.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/17/items/playboy-history/Playboy%202004/3%20-%20March%202004_jp2.zip&file=3%20-%20March%202004_jp2/3%20-%20March%202004_0080.jp2&id=playboy-history&scale=4&rotate=0 this] illustration of Chuck Palahniuk's "Guts" was uncredited [and unsigned]). <br />
Thank you in advance! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:09, 17 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?166111; Possibility, since Archive.org January 1968 Playboy shows he wrote his name out on the upper left of the first page of the artwork and was credited by name on the next page while in February he used initials and wasn't credited. I did a search on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search.php?query=%22playboy+magazine%22+%22by+tom+daly%22&sin=TXT, and the only issue with those phrases are the January issue mentioned above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:20, 17 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Wow. I would never have seen that that could be the initials "TD", or anything but "yo yo." Good eye!<br />
::But now that I look at it as letters, the first one looks more like a P. It could be a fancy T, but the style of art also isn't very like "The Yellow Room" at all. It's still the best lead, though.—[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 16:24, 17 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== German Birkin ==<br />
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While doing some more Charles Birkin edits to add to those I did a while ago I noticed there are 2 German editions on FantLab that were never entered on ISFDB, https://fantlab.ru/search-editions?q=birkin&page=1, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 17 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== No Longer on the Map ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255284; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?382812; I added cover to the Ramsey one and fixed his name, but it's already there as Ramsay and I see I'm the only one in the edit history for that one back a while ago, so I cancelled today's edit, so now the Amra info and whatever else is necessary should be moved to Ramsay and Ramsey should be deleted, I think. EDIT: Turns out there's a copy on FantLab which allowed me to enter the missing month, fix the price note (I'd previously had a note entering it from some obscure website with a ridiculous long URL), add a note about the jacket designer, and replace the slightly dark cover with a brighter one, plus there's photos of the book from many different angles. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:47, 18 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Conan the Valorous Cover ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?507; https://picclick.com/Conan-The-Valorous-by-John-Maddox-Roberts-144304185257.html; Someone uploaded 2 John Maddox Roberts Conan novels recently (+ 1 edition uploaded many years ago is also there) which I've been adding, and the 4th printing of Valorous has a Les Edwards cover, but the cover attributed to Boris Vallejo on ISFDB is the same cover, so since PV is gone others may want to fix that and re-date Edwards' cover art, unless Edwards is an error by the publisher; I'm no Conan cover expert. Didn't Vallejo specialize in these fantasy covers with almost-naked women? I don't think that was Edwards' style. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:34, 18 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== My Votes enhancements ==<br />
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{{FR|1318}}, "Allow sorting 'My Votes' by title and by title date", has been implemented. You can now sort [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/myvotes.cgi?0+Vote your votes] by "Vote", by "Title", by "Date" or by "Most Recent Vote". A few minor display enhancements were also implemented as part of the same patch. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:42, 18 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Campbell's Claw ==<br />
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Someone uploaded this last month, https://openlibrary.org/works/OL1840346W/The_claw?edition=ia%3Aclaw0000rams, with the wrong fake name on the fake cover and the real author's name on the OL page; anyway, I remember a LONG time ago having a discussion about what the title originally was, so now that we have this available I think that finally the sorting of parents/variants can be fixed after my edit adding the Archive link is approved, not that I know what the correct order is, but anyway, Claw was the original, The Claw was only used on the 90's Brit editions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:47, 19 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Undated 2nd printing per numberline, at Archive.org ==<br />
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Title leaf of <i>The Story of Doctor Dolittle</i> in its Dell Yearling Centenary Edition P{{p|295530}} (viewed at archive.org) concludes with these three lines:<br />
: May 1988<br />
: 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 <br />
: CW<br />
The first two identify an undated 2nd printing of the May 1988 (1st printing date). Right? To be continued. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:48, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:You can't tell just by looking at that presentation whether the "May 1988" is the original printing's date or this printing's date. But if you look in the back, there is an ad, and the ad appears to have a date near the bottom ("DDD-7/88"), which suggests this printing is July 1988 or later. Another indicator can be other publications from the same era by this same publisher. If we have records for multiple printings and something more definitive about the dating (or lack thereof) of subsequent printings, you might be able to ascertain whether the publisher carried the original date through all printings, and then you could probably assume the same practice would have been applied here. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:00, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks, Marty. I need to update the example publication record P{{p|295530}} after another editor provided the scan at Archive.org, fixed some data, and notified me. [1] Because the Archive.org copy is 2nd printing, and its scan is the only source for price, that price belongs in the notes, not in the Price field. [2] What about use of the Webpages field for that archive.org link: Is that appropriate here (with notice of the mismatch in my revised Note), or only in a record of the 2nd printing (with my cross-reference in this Note)? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:05, 28 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::It's been a while since I was involved with edits for this book, but I think the fact that it says "One Previous Edition" on the copyright page, and not printing, is telling, since Dell had a habit of doing that with their endless editions of Alfred Hitchcock PB anthologies, where they'd release a new one with a totally different cover and then mention the previous Dell edition, with date, on the copyright page. ISFDB has a 1974 Dell Yearling edition so that might be what they're referring to, but I doubt even if that's not the case that the price would have changed in an edition published a few months later, anyway. But I'm no expert on these kids' books because they reprinted them endlessly in convoluted ways with different publishers and bindings and covers and oh my God it's a nightmare to sort out, which is why I rarely touch them. For example, https://picclick.com/Doctor-Dolittle-The-Story-of-Doctor-Dolittle-by-283933958421.html, another edition with much higher price but same ISBN. Finally, https://archive.org/search.php?query=kleinbaum+dolittle&sin=; Ms. Kleinbaum apparently "adapted" several Dolittle books and also did the novelization of the crap Eddie Murphy movie version (?!?) She apparently did a few more Lofting books that aren't on Archive.org, but that's for others to look into; I call dibs on the Murphy book, which I'm going to enter now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:58, 28 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::I don't know that we have a "standard", but I think it's fine to put the archive.org URL into the webpages list. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:17, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cornish Tales of Terror ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35335; There's much confusion with this, because that 1970 edition has the same bat photo cover as second impression (which I just added Archive link to along with the prices, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5460362, and there was a third impression with the same cover which I just entered as a new book, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5460384. Justin Todd cover seen in 1970 record here is actually from sometime after June 1974 (the date of the third impression) so if anyone can find photos with the exact date on the copyright page it can be entered as a new book with that cover; the Todd cover should be replaced in the Wiki with the original 1970 cover, but it's tough to know what's the right cover because most photos online are actually from later impressions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:11, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: U, many of your postings mention a recent submission that is in the queue. A link to the submission will help satisfy the curious, even if the mention is an aside to your main point; might help foster a reply. Such as <font color=green>green inserted above</font>, where I suggest "submission ###" and "in the queue" as two candidate linknames to include between square brackets with the URL. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:54, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Bookscans Update ==<br />
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Just a heads-up that Bookscans.com finally has a new update with over 3,500 new and/or improved scans including a generous helping of sleaze, although judging by how many Greenleaf covers were broken here recently they were obviously making changes before the official update. However, do not look in the section marked Pet Books; YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:22, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== German Masques ==<br />
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https://www.goodreads.com/work/editions/150161-masques-ii; https://openlibrary.org/books/OL12688059M/Popsy_und_25_weitere_Geschichten_nach_Mitternacht. While doing some Masques edits today I happened across these; any German-fluent editor who may want to enter these will have to do a little searching for info. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:15, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Graham Masterton and Jim Carrey in Vietnam ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5462528; Yes, there was a Vietnamese edition of Masterton's 1988 novel Mirror, and for some reason Jim Carrey is on the covers. I made my usual pathetic attempt at entering an occasional foreign edition of a book, so after it's approved if there are any Vietnamese-fluent people here they can add/fix a lot, I'm sure. There's also this, https://www.vinabook.com/tam-guong-ma-quy-truyen-kinh-di-p30390.html, if that helps with anything. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:22, 22 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Finally approved, so bumping this up for any editors fluent in the language to flesh out the record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:26, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Fantasy Tales Potter Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1036824; While replacing the single (broken) philsp.com cover image on ISFDB for Fantasy Tales magazine with an Amazon cover that's actually slightly better-framed I noticed there may be something wrong with the other 1990 issue, since the American edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?161641, has cover art entered as a separate record, not linked with the others. So the usual variant or merge or whatever is needed. I looked in Edit History and saw my name at the top, but I just added (or replaced) the cover and added the OL link to the Archive.org copy, but now that I look at that closer I realize that the American record is much less complete than the British, so if anyone wants to enter the essay and interior art that's needed, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:25, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:The same art appearing under different titles is varianted. I have made the change but feel free to submit these yourself. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:11, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== BLongley PV Question ==<br />
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I gather Mr. Longley was one of the founding fathers of this site, but I don't come across that many of his PV, since I think he did mostly old SF stuff which I don't do edits for very often. However, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5463077, which seems odd in that I would think he would know the rules for page count include every numbered page, not only the main work's, so if I did wrong by upping it by 1 let me know. Also, this jogged my memory about another edit I did recently that's still awaiting approval, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5451980, so if someone can respond and tell me if that edit's a waste of time and should just be rejected, I'd like to know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:25, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:1. Approved. That was verified in 2009. It could be standards changed over time or simply a mistype (happens to everyone).<br />
:2. Rejected. We typically treat a non-fiction work as a single work. We would not enter the individual chapters as contents anymore than we would enter the chapters of a novel. The exceptions are when the nonfiction work is similar to a collection (ex. previously published essays) or anthology (ex. essays by different authors). <br />
:--&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:23, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Jonny Quest Trapped? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1240472; I'm the only one in the Edit History, apparently fixing the title long ago among other things, but as I came across it today I saw it's the only one in the series that has "only appeared as" because the wrong Trapped title, which only shows up in a Google search for this site, is still there, so I'm sure someone knows how to fix that. Also, I assume all the books that start with Jonny Quest shouldn't, so if affirmative I will fix those and get rid of Jonny (I always hated him, anyway). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:41, 25 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed and also added #10 in the series (which was missing). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:54, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::I just had some Jonny Quest edit approved, and I noticed the volume you entered, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?920331, has HarperCollins, which has the UK branch as the publisher for the first several volumes but HarperPrism is for the rest. So either it should be UK with Collins UK price or US with Prism US price. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:28, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== T(h)om(as) Fleming ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?23003; I did some edits for the Lee book, and afterwards realized that I think the art credits for "Teeth" and the Spectrum book are really by this guy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Fleming_(artist). Yes? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:33, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Briney ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=briney&type=Name; I added an obscure essay by someone named Andrew Briney to a book today, and while looking at names of Briney found those linked above, and there's a Jack Vance review in both, so I believe Bob and Robert are the same guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:13, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Established the variants and the pseudonymous correlation. Thanks for this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:21, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Oktobertrek ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/@greeneuva?sort=-addeddate; Came across these randomly, don't know if they qualify, if they do somebody may want to enter them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:26, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:We usually only include convention program books if they have speculative fiction in them, or if they are genre conventions that focus on printed speculative fiction. These seem to be more what they call a "media convention", focused on the TV show and films. I didn't see any content we'd tend to inclue when looking through the program books. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:18, 28 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Horrorology ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?533416; I've done numerous edits for both editions of this book, but my latest one which, I think, added the full wraparound cover from FantLab caused me, after checking to make sure everything was OK, to notice that the page count is way off, but I'm not sure what the real page count should be, since there's an unnumbered 1-page epilogue, an acknowledgements page with artwork, a bio page with picture, and an illustration. So if anyone wants to correct the page count. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:09, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Wizard of Woodworld ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50291; I've been doing a lot of Garry Kilworth edits recently, and I uploaded the full wraparound cover of this book from SF-Encyclopedia (edit pending), but they wrote the prices on the back cover over some leaves on the ground and the Australia and New Zealand (and other?) prices are unreadable, so if anyone owns a copy they can always add that info to the notes, assuming they can make the prices out. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:08, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Henry Kuttner / Bertram W. Williams / "The Monkey Wrench" ==<br />
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On [https://twitter.com/jamesdnicoll/status/1586418747216125952 Twitter], James Davis Nicoll has asked the question: ''"Question: is the ISFDB correct to list as Kuttner's first story 1931's "The Monkey Wrench", published under the pen name Bertram W. Williams? The sources I've seen claim his first story was 1936's The Graveyard Rats.'' As I type this, there are 3 responses, none of which support the idea that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2096297 The Monkey Wrench] is a Kuttner story. I suspect the crux of the matter is whether [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19052 Bertram W. Williams] really is a Kuttner pseudonym - [[Author:Henry Kuttner]] gives a possible clue - perhaps one of the PVers of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?177229 Index to the Science-Fiction Magazines (1926-1950) (Revised Edition)] can confirm this pseudonym? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:04, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:The FictionMags Index does not list Williams being a pseudonym. Biomassbob created the alternate name per the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/author_history.cgi?19052 edit history]. I will point him to this conversation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:39, 30 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::http://jerryshouseofeverything.blogspot.com/2019/06/forgotten-book-kuttner-times-three.html; See comment by Haffner. EDIT: Kuttner Times Three was hiding in the "Pulp Magazine Inbox" on Archive.org so I've added an edit with a link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 30 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::This is clearly a mistake, given that Kornbluth was born in 1923. Don't know where the idea came from, but I corrected it.[[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] ([[User talk:Biomassbob|talk]]) 12:47, 30 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Morton(-)Sale ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/martinpippininda0000farj; I was surprised to see this with a full cover, these older books usually being coverless on Archive.org, so I entered the Archive.org link (and fixed the page count which was off by 10), and after submitting it realized I forgot to add the cover and went to OL, which also surprisingly had it (certainly not always the case). While entering that edit I realized the frontispiece was the same as the cover art but cover artist wasn't entered, the problem being John Morton-Sale is called J. Morton Sale on the front flap and his wife (?), Isobel, isn't mentioned like she is on the title page. Also, there's a guy on ISFDB named Morton Sale, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?346778, who I think might be the same person, and coincidentally I see that I'm the one who entered both of his credits. So if anyone wants to tackle this kids' book some variants might be needed. There's also the matter of the back flap, which says the other Pippin book on ISFDB, Apple Orchard, has a cover by Hugh Lofting, the Dr. Dolittle creator whose cover art credits on ISFDB are only for his books; neither Apple Orchard edition here has any cover credit. So after the recent Dolittle discussion somewhere here recently more has come to light. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:08, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, the artists are husband John and wife {{a|Isobel Morton-Sale}} --submitted and approved {{done}}<br />
: Concerning John's alt name {{a|Morton Sale}} --four submitted as #5478560, 65, 70, 74. (Note the steady rate of submissions by other editors during those five minutes of my own work.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:37, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Strange Wine and the Dillons ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5469373; Archive.org copy can't be borrowed, and there are intros before each story, so I had to search for titles and I think I got all the page numbers correct, but who knows, someone will look at it eventually. The odd thing is the cover is credited to Leo and Diane Dillon, with a 1966 copyright date. There is this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3527+3, with all covers being a photo of Mr. Ellison, but there's also this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?4067+2009, where the Ellison covers without the photo are all the same cover as the Strange Wine book I just did an edit for, but the Dillons are only credited on 1 of them. Ellison also has a 2008 book, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?537728, which has the photo cover but is missing the pub. series (entered by someone in 2015, so maybe the series didn't exist yet on here), so I made another edit adding the series, and most oddly a 1999 book, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375604, which has the same artwork but with a different color scheme. So why art's dated 1966 and whether the 1999 e-book was the first time it appeared on a cover, who knows, but I'm sure all this will open some discussions here. Tangentially, there's clearly something off about the first half-dozen e-reads.com books being dated before e-books existed, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4067, and also about this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?45027, which seems the same publisher judging by the notes in both about being acquired by Open Road, and this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?424501, which is the only E-Reads Ellison book listed and has the same cover as all the e-reads.com books, and finally the question of whether these, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?35686, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?16649, and https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?33558, are the same as the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:21, 30 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Large backlog in the Pending Submission Queue ==<br />
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Is there a problem with getting submissions in the Pending Edits queue processed? The current count is 5987 and I have pending edits that have been queued since October 18. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:59, 31 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: They're all approved. I'll also approve the follow-ups as soon as you submit them. Sorry about the delay. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:50, 31 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Too many submissions, often requiring time to research and process, and not enough moderators with enough time to go through them properly. It can happen when things align weirdly. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:55, 31 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Football, Maradona, and the Commodore 64 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?36690; There have been 4 copies uploaded in the last few years, https://archive.org/search.php?query=%22book%20of%20two%20halves%22%20royle, and I entered an edit for the original edition which is on ISFDB. A few problems, though; even though the cover is the same on all 4 the credited cover artist is different in the original Gollancz than in the Indigo or Phoenix editions, and the Phoenix changes the subtitle from "New Football Short Stories" to just "Football Short Stories", even though you wouldn't know that unless you look at the cover because the uploader wrote the wrong subtitle in the description. Here's the important thing, though, in case anyone wants to do anything with these; there are nearly 20 more stories that aren't entered here, many of them by genre authors, but I tried reading 1 of them and couldn't make sense of the football (or soccer, here in the USA) slang, so I think this is something for the Brits/Euros to tackle. I'm sure at least a few titles will be eligible for inclusion here. Also, the very first story, by M. John Harrison, is credited to M, no period, so I'm sure those who like creating variants such as that will have a field day, with other names being slightly different, too, no doubt. What I'm really wondering, though, is something that's been bugging me for years, starting in the late 1980s, when a B. Dalton's (RIP) on 5th Avenue in New York had a sweet little alcove downstairs full of computer games and magazines, and I ended up buying nearly a year's worth of issues of Commodore User, a British C64 magazine that somehow made its way to the States, although I'm not sure how shady this might have been because there was an empty box on the cover where the price should have been, with a salesgirl even asking me once what the price was when I went to buy it, as if I would know. Exactly why I bought them I don't know, as I only had an Atari 800XL at the time and didn't get a C64 until late in 1991 on my 21st birthday, when it was almost obsolete (got 15 months of playtime out of it before it died, buying every cheap game at that Dalton's I could, even Mastertronic games-yes, I was that desperate). However, I remember clearly that in 1 issue's letters section there was a (black-and-white, pixelated, tiny) photo of a football player named Diego Maradona, and it showed him jumping in the air and catching the ball with his hand, which even I know is not allowed in that sport, with a caption simply reading "Shameful", or something similar. Many years later, this guy ended up being close friends with Hugo Chavez, the late unlamented Communist leader of Venezuela, and spewing the usual anti-American propaganda. So I've always wondered, was he hated by the European fans for being a cheating bastard, or was he just not a very nice person? EDIT: https://archive.org/details/Commodore_User_Magazine_Issue_040/page/n13/mode/1up; it seems the photo wasn't as tiny as I remembered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:23, 1 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Well, despite this action (handplay), Maradona is recognized as one of the Great Three of football (European / South American style), the other being the late Pelé and (just recently invicted) Lionel Messi. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:18, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Non-genre nonfiction ==<br />
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How should we use the '''non-genre''' tag for '''nonfiction'''? I suspect that all three instances by {{a|Patrick Moore}} are tagged by mistake. Also that two of three by {{a|Willy Ley}} are mistakes, and his list of works suggests to me that his version of ''The Borders of Mathematics'' may also belong here, without the non-genre tag.<br />
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{{a|H. G. Wells}} is a writer above a certain threshold. Perhaps the non-genre tag should be used only for writers who are on that mythical list? (Willy Ley may be one of them.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:12, 2 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:It should be used the same way as on any other title: if it's not about speculative fiction, it's non-genre. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:14, 3 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: It seems that many of the nonfiction titles we have in the database are not categorized properly as non-genre (for example titles about movies, tv shows, or astronomy), but it seems they should be! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:18, 3 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::If they cover any print/eprint content, then they are considered genre. We technically shouldn't have anything that covers only a film or TV series or science topics without any print/eprint coverage unless the author/editor is above the threshold. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:21, 3 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Just adding a note: "The Borders of Mathematics" will always be non-genre and does not belong in the DB unless the author is above threshold. The only non-fiction eligible is one that can be plausibly connected to another book which is already eligible on its own and not as an above threshold item (so connected fiction, poetry or eligible non-fiction which deals with one of the previous two). If there is no fiction tie-in, even with a degree of separation, it only can be in as an above threshold item and always tagged as non-genre. So Asimov's biography is in; a book about historical non-fiction what-ifs or about space or about UFO and so on are out. <br />
:::: And yes, a lot of the DB's non-fiction need cleaning (deleting very often, adding the flag sometimes) - we even have the report for the ones we suspect need deletion (added back when we were apparently adding books for being reviewed in our magazines). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:26, 3 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Scottish Ghost Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1104230; FantLab goofed and included a photo of the front flap of Severn House's edition of Hugh Lamb's 1980 anthology New Tales of Terror on their page for O'Donnell's book, so I added a link in the Lamb book's record to that photo with a note explaining all that, but afterwards I noticed that Jarrold/Jarrolds seem to have reprinted the O'Donnell book umpteen times, because a title page photo says 1975, a copyright page photo says 1981, and FantLab's page says 1990. ISFDB only has the original (?) 1911 edition and a couple of recent ones, so if anyone ever decides to enter more editions there seem to be a whole lot of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:04, 4 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Winterwood ==<br />
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https://picclick.com/Keith-Roberts-%93-WINTERWOOD-AND-OTHER-HAUNTINGS-1989-115565926879.html; Doing some Keith Roberts edits and this book has a limited edition with an extra story; oddly, that link above doesn't show any sign of that, but it does show a photo of "The Scarlet Lady"'s title page which is on p. 25, not p. 24 like the contents page/ISFDB says. So does anyone have copies of either edition who can clear all this up? Some stuff may need to be changed. https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40022. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:37, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Barcode Prices ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mavmaramis#Warcraft_Atlas; Am I correct in that the price is $29.99 like the barcode says, and the Warcraft page, too, and should that price be entered here? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:45, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
: According to [https://brookevitale.com/blog/book-barcode#:~:text=In%20the%20United%20States%2C%20most,number%2C%20books%20use%20an%20EAN. this] article, the price is indeed $12.99 US. A grain of salt though, the article claims that ISBN-13 is part of the EAN strategy, which I was unaware of. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 11:18, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I assume you meant $29.99, not $12.99. I'm not sure what EAN is, so I'll wait for someone else to chime in and then add the Archive link and price if everyone agrees. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, that is a price. The leading 5 means US currency and the number the price. However, don't just drop the price in the price field. The notes should state that the price itself was not printed on the cover and was entered based on the barcode. This way there is no confusion down the road. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:46, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::OK, I'll do that, but I hope PV doesn't get mad because they don't seem fond of people contacting them anymore about changes. I'll let them know, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragons of Komako ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9257; 1 book in this series is on Archive.org so I added a link, and then did some minor date fixes for other books, but this one has no cover artist, with Dave Dorman being the guy as is mentioned online in several places but I can't find any copyright page photos anywhere and he's credited as David in his other cover art for books in this series, so does anyone have a copy who can check his first name? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Carn Cover ==<br />
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[https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2412/3425/products/2022_11_0112_52OfficeLens_24_1296x.jpg]; I added this book today, there's a "John M" signature on the bottom of the cover, if anyone can make it out it can be added here. I was expecting to see IONICUS as with so many Kimber covers, but no. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:22, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Escape From the Bazaar ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1375642; There is an Archive.org edition but it's a Books For Libraries 1970 reprint, which doesn't specify which edition it's reprinted from, and has the author's full name on the title page unlike all 4 ISFDB records, and the story titled "An Escape" is really "Escape", unlike what the notes say and what was finally entered here. So there's some stuff to research, like which edition was reprinted, whether author's full name was used in every edition, and whether that story was ever published as "An Escape" in any edition. Armstrong has no books on FantLab, 1 book on Dalby's site that's not on ISFDB and is likely non-genre, SFE has no covers, eBay has 3 useless copies with no photos except their covers, etc., so I'm guessing this dude's books are hella rare. Uh-oh, I was about to save this edit when I thought of Google Books, and they have a full view copy of the Knopf edition, which does NOT have the author's full name on the title page but does say "Escape", and a snippet view copy of what Google says is the 1924 Cape edition, which is the same as Knopf, so variants ahoy. Could that weird Smith edition, where it seems nobody's even sure what exactly the publisher's full name is, have used Armstrong's full name? Why would the reprint edition choose that as their source? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:58, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost my previous account ==<br />
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Good day. Since the last round of server issues I was no longer able to log in despite using the correct password (I've had the same password since the beginning). After some time, I reluctantly created a new user ID here, & I read that I should link the two, but do not know how to do this. Advice would be appreciated. My former username is Zybahn. [[User:CasualDebris|CasualDebris]] ([[User talk:CasualDebris|talk]]) 09:43, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I have sent an email to the address associated with the original account (Zybahn). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:44, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:54, 7 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Yngve SF Collection ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106931; SWEDISH editors, this 2006 collection was entered in 2008, somebody removed the cover image for some reason a few years later, and it's been sitting dormant for more than 12 years until I stumbled on it today. I believe everything needed to fill in missing info is here, https://web.archive.org/web/20060522062859/http://www.welaforlag.se/ebok.htm, and here, https://web.archive.org/web/20061113202042/http://yngve.bravehost.com/aboutfaceinthedoor.html. The reason I noticed it is because I was entering stories on ISFDB that were published on the old Byzarium website, and Yngve had 1, https://web.archive.org/web/20060323111952/http://www.byzarium.com/storyArchive/December2005.asp?storyName=Nightmare, and his bio mentions a SF novel and its sequel not on ISFDB, and it seems there were more, https://web.archive.org/web/20080228213113/http://yngve.bravehost.com:80/titles.html, although what was actually published is the question. The Swedish review linked at the publisher's site mentions all the stories, including some original Swedish appearances, but as can be seen at the author's site many were also published in English, so tracking down the links hiding in archived sites may interest someone. EDIT: http://aryngve.com/cv.html; It seems the author has published a lot, which were never entered here, so that's interesting. I added a link to his current website in an edit, since the only thing there now is a Goodreads link. EDIT: I also added the 1 Amazon photo of him I could find since there's no photo of him here, and in it he's holding a copy of Precinct 20: Dead Strange, one of his books. If any mods read this, can you approve the 2 Yngve edits at the top of my list, because if any Swedes decide to work on any of this the first thing they'll probably do is enter his image and website, which will make my edits redundant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:54, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Playboy Questions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?24780; I replaced a 1969 Playboy cover and it was just approved, and then it hit me while looking at it (for the articles) that it's not supposed to have a cover, being a non-genre mag. 1 1954 issue and that 1969 issue are the only ones with covers, so should both probably be deleted, and I also wonder why 2 years, 1957 and 1974, are marked non-genre but not the rest. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:07, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Dissembler ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dissembler; I added some links recently to Leisure horror novels that are on Archive.org, and some of them have notes about info being from Dissembler. The page counts in most cases were very wrong, fixed by me, and today I randomly came across that page linked above. Was this some old joke from the early days of this site, or was it an early version of what's called Fixer now, where some robot AI trawls the internet adding records? Because man, it sucked. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ijasan ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=ijasan&type=Name; Probably same person, Arabic names written last before first, I guess. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:16, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Goodbye to Gunpowder by Donald Barr Chidsey ==<br />
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Any objections to deleting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250907 this one]? It is non genre, non-fiction from an author who has no known genre works. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:57, 7 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Chidsey ==<br />
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Someone just asked if Donald Barr Chidsey's book can be deleted, since it's only there because of the SF magazine review, and it looked familiar because I'm in the edit history as adding the cover a while back. It's an unusual last name so I checked and there's only 2 other Chidseys on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=chids&type=Name, but I suspect they're the same person, writing a letter to the same magazine within a year of each other, so maybe someone here knows for sure and can make one a variant of the other. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:44, 7 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Duel Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?24108; I added HC Archive.org link. Title isn't right, but what should it be? Duel or Duel: Terror Stories? EDIT: Also, ISFDB has the e-book as 2003, but this, https://jerrywbrown.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Collected-Stories-includes-Born-of-Man-and-Woman-Matheson-Richard.pdf, says 2011 on the copyright page with the same 13-digit ISBN as ISFDB. What's up with that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:49, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shrinking Man (Sphere) ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42019; A recent copy appeared on Richard Dalby's site, https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/collections/newest-shopify-test/products/richard-matheson-the-incredible-shrinking-man-sphere-books-1988-paperbacks, and I uploaded the cover because unlike the cover currently on ISFDB you can see a signature on the lower right, KE...something. However, that site's photos usually aren't the greatest, so it's a bit smaller than the old one. So if anyone can find a better Sphere cover that also shows the signature, please upload it and replace mine, and of course if anyone can identify the artist that would be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:43, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== One More Signature ID ==<br />
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This signature is on the cover of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6612 Changing Places], by Susan Smith (Scholastic/Point, 1986). https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/4/48/Screen_Shot_2022-11-10_at_11.05.35_PM.png Can anyone identify it? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 00:44, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== German Killerbowl ==<br />
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Killerbowl-Gary-K-Wolf/dp/1975719689; The copyright page says EIS did the cover; it's the same as the 1981 German edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?885753, but it's Eis there. Also, should this be by Gary K. Wolf as publisher? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:13, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon-hosted cover scans at images/P/ ==<br />
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Recall the latest discussion of Amazon cover images at "/P/" and at "/G/":<br />
* [[ISFDB:Community Portal/Archive/Archive52#Amazon-hosted cover scans |Archive 52: Amazon-hosted cover scans]], Jan/Feb 2022<br />
(FYI, the preceding seems to be [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive51#Joan_Aiken.3F Archive 51: Joan Aiken?], Oct 2021.) The latest concludes with announcement by Ahasuerus of our augmented "My Verifications" reports.<br />
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Recently I visited the Amazon product pages for all 17 of my own "/P/" --listed here as "My Primary Verifications with Unstable ISBN-based Amazon URLs". Easy to do: every one is "two clicks away" from that report, because every publication record does report the crucial ISBN. FINDING: All 17 currently link cover images at "/I/", all of which are visually identical to the ones that we link at "/P/". At a glance I suppose that all 17 match the books I verified. ACTION TAKEN: none, because I expect to find most of the latter at a local public library. <br />
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This is a change from springtime, when a spot check showed /P/ images at Amazon. It may be useful for others to pursue. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:24, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Wiki pages for deletion ==<br />
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There is a template we are --or were, a few years ago-- requested to add to ISFDB wiki pages that may be recommended for deletion. For instance, I would add that to [[Bio:Anthony R. Lewis]], where the database Author page is one that I revised this week, in a way that makes the Bio page redundant. In practice it might be only the "Bio:" space where I would use it. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:53, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:You can use [[:Template:Deletion candidate]] or [[:Template:Page transferred]] based on the particular circumstances. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:16, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Stickman ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33232; https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search?searchArg=stickman+pfefferle&searchCode=GKEY%5E*&searchType=0&recCount=25; There are 2 Open Library records, 1 with WorldCat ID (there are actually 2 different records with different ID # on WorldCat, which I've entered in an edit), and 1 with LCCN ID, but clicking it leads to nothing, yet typing the title on LoC does find the book. So are there any numbers on the LoC page that can be entered here as ID? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:26, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:It does not seem to have an LCCN. The permalink on that page is to some different sort of catalog entry. Looks like maybe it's in a box of stuff? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:54, 12 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Les Edwards / Daniels ==<br />
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Les Daniels, author of many vampire novels and a lot of genre non-fiction, has 2 cover art credits here; 1 was for a British edition of 1 of his novels, which turns out to be by Les Edwards, so I've made an edit to fix that. However, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6960, which I can't find anywhere; it's also a British edition, but an ISFDB search for Severn House covers by Les Edwards finds nothing, so if anyone owns this or can find a photo identifying the artist, great; I'm pretty sure it's really Edwards. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:08, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Tinkleman vs. Tinkelman ==<br />
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There are two artists [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26127 Murray Tinkelman]] with a bio and long list of credits and [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?116410 Murray Tinkleman]] with only a couple of credits and no bio. I suspect they are the same, but don't really have an eye for art. A small project for someone. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:51, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Well, this is odd; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?271901. It turns out that, as can be seen on the copyright page here, https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/products/the-lurker-at-the-threshold-h-p-lovecraft-1976-3rd-printing-ballantine-books-paperback-murray-tinkleman-cover, Vincent Di Fate is credited for cover art, but magnifying the cover shows "M. Tinkelman" on the lower left. PV is long-gone, so if a mod reads this, please change the name to Tinkelman with a note about the wrong cover artist in the book, since if I make an edit it will be a very long time before it's approved. EDIT: Never mind the Di Fate thing, my OCD made me look at it again and I realized the geniuses inserted a copyright page from some other Ballantine book as can be seen by the different date and ISBN. So the cover art is still signed Tinkelman but now a REAL copyright page from this book needs to be seen to find out how artist's last name is spelled in the book, if it's there at all. I can't find it anywhere online. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:28, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Satyrday ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?14733; I added the missing British Souvenir Press edition today, which has the same cover as the American HC, and added Ron Miller's credit from the Berkley PB to the foreign edition because the notes there say cover and illustrations came from Berkley Books; problem is, the foreign edition has an earlier date here than the PB, and there's a mysterious 1982 Berkley TP with no cover and none I can find online. So does anyone know if that's where the art was first used? Also, 1 of Miller's interior art credits was misspelled Satryday here, which I've corrected, but there's a separate interior art credit that's spelled correctly. Miller has 2 cover credits, the covers being totally different, so maybe the art used inside was different, too, or maybe not. Anyone know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Book cover identity ==<br />
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A user on Reddit asked about a book cover - he states "it showed a long curving floating road, with a long line of mostly alien creatures chained to each other slowly marching along it. In the foreground was a guy in a suit." Poster does not know the title or author. It isn't Norman Spinrad's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?131931 The Men in the Jungle]. If anyone can help with this this given the vague description the question can be found here on [https://www.reddit.com/r/badscificovers/comments/ypwab1/comment/iwhbti7/?context=3 Reddit]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:55, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon SFBC Edition ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?25802; There's only 1 copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/details/sturgeonisalivew00stur, but it doesn't fit with any of these; the SFBC edition has a note about gutter codes and this copy does have an M on p. 205, so might be the '82 reprint. If anyone knows how to further identify exactly what year it is then it can be entered. The 2 PV of the SFBC edition already on here are long-gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Nazis Possessed By Satan ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5480025; My edit was rejected because it's supposedly not spec-fic, just "all that christian stuff", but some of the blurbs at the front and the description on the back clearly peg it as genre, with the premise being that the Nazis and today's skinheads do what they do because of being possessed. If it's not considered spec-fic then most of Elwood's other Christian novels would have to go, too, along with many other Christian-themed books here. Any speed readers here who can read the entire book and weigh in? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:24, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Quiver of Horror ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5490693; Unstable image was replaced by me, afterwards I noticed Arrow logo on cover is different, was going to cancel when I saw on Dalby's site, https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/dennis-wheatley-quiver-of-horror-arrow-books-1965-paperbacks, that the cover that was there previously is a year-later reprint, so I may have accidentally found the real original cover, any experts on these old British paperbacks and their umpteen reprints maybe can tell us if it is; if so, the old cover should be added to a new record for the reprint. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:43, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Zork Chronicles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50891; 5 PV, RTrace, Ahasuerus, Willem still active, I added Archive link and noticed title is Zork: The Novel on copyright page so I added a note about that, does it say that on your copies, too (if not, I'll cancel and just add the link)? Also made Infocom books novelizations except Wishbringer which already was marked so, but Robin Wayne Bailey has alternate name for their 2 books, so which name should be checked off as a novelization; maybe both? EDIT: Typing Effinger and zork-the-novel on Google only finds this, https://www.thezorklibrary.com/history/resources/novel/The%20Zork%20Chronicles.pdf, so apparently this isn't info that's common knowledge. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:49, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== IT! ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?300084; On the great tapatalk.com site I found this, https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/monsterkidclassichorrorforum/paperback-film-tie-ins-t6678-s1200.html, which mentions that Italian publication linked above, and says the English title is fake, but it's not; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It!_The_Terror_from_Beyond_Space. So really this should be a novelization, but ErnestoVeg, who entered a ton of Italian stuff many years ago, is deceased, so maybe some other Italian experts will know what to do with this. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:35, 20 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Japanese Madman ==<br />
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https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/monsterkidclassichorrorforum/paperback-film-tie-ins-t6678-s1240.html; I, Madman was a lame horror movie from 1989 that, I think, was novelized in Japan? It was retitled Hardcover overseas (the plot is something about books), and at the link above are 2 photos of what looks like a book; Nihonjoe would know, I'm sure. Also, I just made a change to the Wikipedia page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Madman, adding Japan in the first sentence; I can probably count how many Wikipedia changes I've ever made on my fingers, but it seems odd to me that any doofus can edit without approval, unlike this site. Does anyone know why this is or if they eventually check what people do? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:02, 20 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:As far as I can tell, there is no novelization of this film published in Japan. I think that's a scan of the front and back of the movie program (they release a short booklet, usually A4 size, with many films in Japan. It has cast and crew information, as well as other things related to the film). As for why Wikipedia allows anyone to make changes to articles, that's part of their thing. Some pages are less watched than others, so any vandalism sometimes goes unnoticed for a while on less-watched pages. Still, it works pretty well. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:37, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover image links broken ==<br />
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First noticed this a couple of months ago, but still an issue. Links for covers to Galactic Central seem to have been broken after the big database move. See, for example, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61948 --[[User:Gengelcox|Gengelcox]] ([[User talk:Gengelcox|talk]]) 19:04, 20 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Yes, can anything be done? When was the move? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 04:13, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Vonda M. Big Engine Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52198; Very little evidence online of this edition; like other books by the publisher it may have gone down when they went away. After further research this may need the unpublished date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:55, 21 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Gay Zorro ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=zorro&type=All+Titles; Is Zorro, being a mythological figure, ISFDB-relevant? Because I just found a copy on Archive.org of the Zorro, the Gay Blade novelization, an unbelievably offensive 1981 spoof starring George Hamilton soon after he played Dracula in Love At First Bite, and would love to enter it here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:56, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:As far as I can tell, there are no speculative elements at all in that adaptation. I wouldn't call Zorro mythological, either, since the character was created around 1920 as a pulp fiction character. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:26, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 2 Robert Harrises ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?3055; I doubt the Swedish SS is by the famous Harris because he would have been 9 at the time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Right you are. I made the difference for this piece into 'Robert Harris (I)' as author. Does anyone know about another Robert Harris active as writer at that time, the 1960s? (I found no one at Wikipedia). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:57, 23 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Christopher Fowler Story Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=monsoon+pal&type=All+Titles; It seems that the story starts with "The" in Red Gloves, too, going by the e-book edition readable on Google Books and elsewhere, but ISFDB edition is TP from years ago, and who knows how it is in Dark World, Tartarus books being very rare and so actual story title page can't be seen. So if anyone finds out; I suspect Dark World has the shorter title and Fowler's collection and subsequent reprints have the longer title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:51, 23 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Luana ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89579; Several active PV, so does "Printed in Canada" appear on copyright page in everyone's copies? If so, it should have a Canadian price, no? Or is it a separate Canadian edition? Because price and SBN are the same as ISFDB's, which would seem to suggest it's not. https://bookshopapocalypse.com/products/luana-by-alan-dean-foster-1974-movie-tie-in-paperback. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:41, 23 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Bookfinger Cyclops ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5493838; The 1974 Bookfinger edition of 1940's Dr. Cyclops is very rare because 200 of the 1000 copies were damaged, and the only photos I could find were in a very long novelizations thread on tapatalk.com, but the photo I uploaded just now includes the dustjacket of the original edition and the Bookfinger which has no jacket , while another photo later on in the thread shows only the spines of both. So that's the best one because at least it shows the front cover and the spine, but if anyone knows how to crop out the original and just show the Bookfinger it would be appreciated. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:58, 23 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Extremely easy to do. Use MS Paint, for example, select desired area of picture, press 'crop', save as jpg, upload. Done. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:41, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Recording ebook editions ==<br />
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I know we generally don't create separate publication records for ebooks. I suspect this is in part because there's no good way to date them. However, I recently purchased the Kindle ebook editions of N. K. Jemisin's Broken Earth series and noticed that all three of the ebooks have a code on the copyright page containing what looks like both an edition number and a full date. (example: E3-20210202-JV-PC-COR). The Kindle page counts are also significantly different from the ones in the existing records. I didn't find any guidance in the Help pages nor, for that matter, did I see the don't record ebook editions guidance. Should these be separate pub records or should there just be notes added to the existing ebook pub records? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:02, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, I do think that these differences do allow their indexing as separate editions: as long as there are differences, we do recognize them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:38, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Every Update (and some books get a new update almost weekly - sometimes a single typo will be fixed and a new file uploaded) gets one of these strings so if we start recording them separately, we will have hundreds of records per book (especially for the self-published). Unless the book has a different cover, excerpt, publisher or actual statement for a different edition (or a change in the isbn, author or title of course), I’d treat them as a single record. The page numbers is not an issue - they are usually estimates based on a paperback which may or may not have the same excerpts. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:04, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::Thanks. Besides the code, each of these has a different cover from the existing ebook record so in this case I'll create separate edition records. Is there some way to get this guidance added to the Help? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:17, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: As we record the artists and cover art and other details about it (the latter in the notes) and show the cover, a new cover will always mean a new record IMO. More often than not, they also pair with a paperback with the same cover (but not always). Then you can use the dates inside to date (with attribution - GoodReads can sometimes also help dating the covers/editions - Amazon can be a pain for that as they reuse records. Or use 0000-00-00 if that feels right). :) We probably should get that a bit better listed in the help pages. I will work on it as soon as I am fully back online, probably next week - just resurfacing after a bit of a health issue this week. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:25, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Canadian Alph ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251871; https://archive.org/details/alph0000main_b5k4; Many active PV, Archive.org copy printed in Canada on copyright page, same price as USA, is this the copy that was PV? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:09, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Year's Best Weird Fiction ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?36975; I've copy-and-pasted a discussion with a mod on my board in case anyone can fill in anything with these books: 1) The title date of #1 is earlier than the edition you PV but there's no record for an earlier edition here; 2) The foreign edition is the only book in the "Modern Weird" Series with no series #, format or cover artist, and the other 3 books are listed as 2 PB and a TP, so obviously one of those formats is wrong; 3) Volume 3 HC has no page count, cover artist or contents, and while cover images for both editions are the same and the TP does have a cover artist later volumes in the series have a different cover (#4 also has 2 separate cover artists) for each edition so it's possible that whoever entered 3's HC cover just copy-and-pasted the TP cover without checking to see if that was the right cover, as has happened so many times before with other books ; 4) Volume 4 HC has no ISBN or page count, doesn't have the day entered like the TP does, and neither edition has page numbers entered for the contents; 5) Volume 5 HC has no cover artist, the page counts of each edition are different, and neither edition has page numbers entered for the contents, plus the viewable e-book on Amazon (never entered on ISFDB) says Five, not 5, in the title, so both editions probably have the wrong title. I may have missed something, but these are the problems I see, in case anyone chances across this message and can fix anything I've mentioned. EDIT: While there don't seem to be any eBay copies of this series with anything other than cover photos, I did find this: https://alligatortreegraphics.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/ybwf5.pdf, so Volume 5 clearly should be Five since this is either the TP or HC judging by the fact that the contents page has page numbers on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== John Stanley ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8752; John Stanley (2) has one art credit that probably belongs with first guy; either that or all of first guy's art credits belong with second guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:38, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon "S" Images ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5496611; This happens occasionally; any way to fix it so yellow warning doesn't happen? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:09, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Lift ==<br />
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https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/monsterkidclassichorrorforum/paperback-film-tie-ins-t6678-s400.html#p1352911; Been working my way through the great Tapatalk site's forums and this novelization is something I can't find much info about and covers don't really give anything like a price or ISBN, so I'm sure some of our Dutch friends can find something on the appropriate Dutch-language sites or maybe they own a copy; can't let a book about a KILLER ELEVATOR go un-entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:35, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Last Page ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?174481; Obscure edition of this book, page count entered with last page in brackets plus a note that it's unnumbered, Bluesman is the one who entered it that way and they're not around anymore, note search suggests that's the only note written in that style, so should it just be changed to 160? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:00, 28 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Ends of the Earth ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search.php?query=lucius%20shepard%20ends%20earth; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37111; Been adding a lot of Lucius Shepard Archive.org links, I entered the PB of the link above with no problem, TP has different ISBN on back cover which is probably the one that should be here because it comes after the HC, cover image is wrong as noted by someone, confusion with dates, etc. in case anyone knows more. I didn't add an edit to TP. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:03, 30 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Fourbodings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5501223; Rare book recently uploaded, but there are a number of annoying details which need answering. It's Edward Miller on copyright page but real name, Les Edwards, is on back flap, so which should take precedence; last story is much longer than the others and probably should be changed to a (short) novel; Lebbon's story is noted to have an incorrect title elsewhere but it's also incorrect here, having a comma that's not in the book, but it also appears in a collection of his so it may have a comma there; intro has a long subtitle which maybe should be part of the title here but it's written in a different font so may have been intended as a heading, and since starting page in the book only says introduction maybe page # should be 9 since that's where the actual intro title appears. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:25, 3 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:For author names, we generally go with the name as it appears on the title page. Which one appears there? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:17, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::I don't see anything in my note about an author name, just an artist name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:48, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Star Wars Newspaper Serialization ==<br />
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https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/monsterkidclassichorrorforum/paperback-film-tie-ins-t6678-s560.html#p1370004; Was this a real thing? If so, can newspaper serializations be entered here? I smell microfilm in the future. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:58, 3 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:Can't speak to whether it's real or not, but, yes, newspaper serializations are valid publications. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:31, 4 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Art of Richard Powers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298166; https://fantlab.ru/edition268163; I have a pending edit adding FantLab ID and noticed that while 1 photo has UK price on the front flap another has the USA/Canada prices stickered on the back cover, and the Canadian price is different than what's here. So if any PV is still active they may want to double-check their copies. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:02, 4 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Staehle/Staehla ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?544010; Note by someone about the signature; it's legible in the first photo here, https://fantlab.ru/edition208143, if you magnify it. Could it be this guy, https://www.noosfere.org/livres/auteur.asp?NumAuteur=2147191370, or this guy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Staehle, or someone else? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:09, 4 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Landis' Willy and Evans' Forsaken==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?417; I was doing a lot of edits for Ace anthologies edited by Dann and Dozois and everything was going pretty smoothly until this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=willy+in+t&type=All+Titles, where as so often happens a false variant was created, the name being Geoffrey A. Landis in Nanotech, not Geoffrey Landis, but the title also appears much later in an obscure poetry anthology. 2 PV of Nanotech PB are gone, PV of Nanotech HC is barely around, so merge/variant is needed if anyone wants to. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?94208; I almost missed their first anthology Unicorns! because the genius who uploaded it spelled editor's name DUZOIS; there's a problem with this one, too, in that the name is Bev Evans on contents page and story page but it's Beverly on ISFDB. Many editions, many PV, some here, some not, so if anyone wants to they can look into that and fix if needed. EDIT: I see that 2 PV of 1984 sixth printing did enter it as Bev and made it a variant of Beverly, but I'm guessing it's another false variant and should be Bev in all editions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:02, 5 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Performance issues -- 2022-12-06 ==<br />
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We are currently experiencing performance problems due to what appear to be robots rapid-firing requests at the server. I am looking into it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:13, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Duvic ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=duvic&type=Name; Patric is either an alternate name or it was entered wrong here, in case anyone knows, and Patrice has 2 Terminus entries so the "only appeared as" Hungarian edition is wrong, probably, because the title appeared in another edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:39, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Audiobook publications of shortfiction ==<br />
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When recording the audiobook editions of shortfiction, should the audiobook be a new publication under the shortfiction title or a new edition of the chapbook? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:04, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: An audiobook is merely another publication format. You handle the same way as if you were adding any other publication format. <br />
:# A CHAPBOOK title exists for this SHORTFICTION title. Simply clone an existing publication making the necessary changes.<br />
:# If there isn't an existing CHAPBOOK title, create one via Add New Chapbook.<br />
:[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:53, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:57, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== RSH ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rokeya&type=Name; Last 2 are likely the same person. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:04, 9 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:Alternate name created. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:10, 9 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Missing Flash Gordon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13912; No evidence of that, but this, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42357382-flash-gordon, is found at several places on the web. So whether 1982 edition qualifies to be here (might be a comic) or if Hirschfeld wrote his own version and, if not, whether it should be deleted is the question. Anyone know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:27, 11 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:I've never heard of that Burt Hirschfeld Flash Gordon, and I've been keeping a comics novelization/tie-in list for myself for decades. There's an Amazon entry (without a cover, as with all others like Open Library) dated 1973 instead of 1985, underlining its iffy nature.<br />
:That 1982 book riding the coattails of the movie is indeed a comics reprint, written by Bill Pearson and drawn by Ric Estrada, from King Comics' Flash Gordon #3 (January 1967)--a Goodreads reader review gives the story titles. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 10:42, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Archive Dead Links ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?398877; The copy's been removed from Archive.org; should link be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:54, 12 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I believe the link should be removed from web page field and the notes, at a minimum. updated to state the item has been removed from IA. The link could be moved into the pub notes for historical purposes if desired. But let's see what other editors think. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:14, 12 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::I like moving the link to the notes (without making it an anchor, and adding that it has been removed) as an expansion of the first bullet about the IA scan source. Retains the source identification while also helping avoid having someone else try in vain to hunt it down.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:51, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::OK, done. There's also a few WorldCat pages with different years so that may mean it was reissued or they were confused. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:22, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Lost World Date ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?364; I added/fixed info for omnibus Jurassic World, date on copyright page for Jurassic Park same as Wiki so I've added an edit changing the title date but Lost World says September 8 on Wiki but September 28 on copyright, so real day is needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:44, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Terrors ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8556; Someone just uploaded #4 HC (only PB was there before) and the highly elusive #1, which is very hard to find because listings on WorldCat and elsewhere confuse later volumes with the same title (which is why the OL page for #1 has dozens of Amazon and Better World Books links). So now all are available except #5. I think that TP is suspicious, having no contents and a different page count, so likely it was cancelled and the PB is the real edition; also, if anyone has a copy of any edition of #5 and can upload it that would make the series complete. I'm sure there's lots of ex-library copies over in GB but here in USA I don't think I've ever seen a real copy of any of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:32, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Problem With Web Pages ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5510604; I noticed something like this once before not too long ago; by adding the Blogspot article it seems to cancel 1 of the other web pages. Am I seeing this wrong or is this a problem that needs fixing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:26, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: No, see that it is there both with a plus and with a minus sign in front of it. That’s just different formatting - end of line, a space somewhere or something like that. It is either something added before some of the current fields cleanup operations which happen during saving were implemented or it is an artifact of how we compare values. In either case, as long as it is there as both a plus and a minus line, it is not getting lost - just formatted properly for how the DB wants it now. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 23:18, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Annie is correct: it's a display problem which occurs under certain circumstances. I have identified the root cause and I am about to start working on a fix. Thanks for reporting the problem. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: OK, I think I got it -- note how the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5510604 problematic submission] is displayed now. Please let me know if you come across any issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:42, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Picture Mommy Dead: In or Out? ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5496327 this submission] and questioned whether the novelization is speculative per our [[ISFDB:Policy#Definitions of Speculative Fiction|definitions]] based on the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picture_Mommy_Dead Wikipedia description] of the movie that is novelized. The submitter [[User talk:Username#Picture Mommy Dead|disagrees]]. I'm cross posting here to solicit additional opinions on whether this book is within our scope. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:08, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I am not familiar with the movie, but [https://www.allmovie.com/movie/picture-mommy-dead-v38089 AllMovie.com describes the plot thusly]:<br />
:* A young girl is deeply traumatized after she sees her mother burned to death in a house fire and spends the rest of her youth locked in a mental hospital. By the time she is released, her father has married a nasty woman who only wants his money. Knowing that the recently returned daughter is mentally unstable, the stepmom does all she can to drive the fragile girl over the edge.<br />
: It sounds like the horror is psychological -- as opposed to supernatural -- in nature. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:48, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: It doesn't really matter. The same mod rejected another novelization I tried to add recently because they said they've seen the movie and it had no "supernatural elements", so cancel this one, too. No big deal. A few rejections out of hundreds of edits is par for the course. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Lee Mandelo ==<br />
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I received a note from the editor of Interzone today concerning the canonical name for Brit/Lee Mandelo. Excerpt:<br />
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:''I'm writing today because the ISFDB entry for Lee Mandelo incorrectly cites their name as 'Brit Mandelo'. Lee Mandelo is listed as an 'alternate', but this does not reflect the reality of Lee Mandelo's life: they identify as Lee, now, not Brit''<br />
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I'll let you guys sort out what should be done (based on previous precedent and procedures). [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 23:09, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Lee Mandelo posted about this issue [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display on the Moderator Noticeboard earlier today]. The discussion is ongoing. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:14, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The New People ==<br />
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I'm just curious about something. I know since the big server move a lot of bots have been created and then deleted, but many others seem to be real people, I think. Was there some kind of online bulletin board or something encouraging new editors to join after the move? Is the new server more accessible than the old one was? I've probably seen more new names being created in the "recent changes" section over the last few months than I saw in the nearly 2 years I was here previously. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:04, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== House Carfax ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?31406; Just a heads up that someone's started uploading issues of this rare zine to Archive.org, much of the contents in the first 2 issues being dated movie reviews and articles with some TERRIBLE fiction included, but in the second issue is a short poem by Baudelaire, "Carcass", which doesn't exactly match any title here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1388597; I'm hoping they'll get to issue #3 because there's a story by Jack Pavey in that one that was nominated for a BFA, so once they stopped letting the editors include their own stories things obviously improved. There's also a Clive Barker interview that for some reason is in both #1 and #6 according to philsp.com (which calls one an article and the other an interview), and Barker's site shows both issue covers, so I made an edit changing the date to the original. I also think this zine eventually morphed into The Scream Factory judging by the several names who were involved with both. EDIT: #5 is on Dalby's site, https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/house-carfax-magazine-number-5-winter-1990, in case uploader never gets around to that issue; I don't see a signature on either cover but 1 of the artists on contents page has a story in the same issue but without his middle initial and the other has 1 interior art credit on ISFDB but with a ", II" after his name. EDIT: Issue #3 has been uploaded on 12/17; I hope when I get around to reading Pavey's award-nominated story it's better than the grade-school level illustration at the end of it. EDIT: Issue #4 is being processed as I write this and should be available soon; no interviews with famous writers, old poems or award-nominated stories in this one judging by the contents on philsp.com, just editors and their friends publishing stories nobody else would. EDIT: #5 is being processed (sorry, Mr. Dalby); another issue with nothing special and someone entered it (and #6) here long ago so I'm just going to add a link in an edit. EDIT: #6 is uploaded; adding a link. I think that's all the issues there were. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Astronaut's Wife ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?718009; Added Archive.org link in a pending edit, Rand Ravich was the writer/director but is credited for cover art here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?384335, cover of both novelization and this Italian publication are just the movie poster with the stars of the film, editors who entered the Italian publication in 2012 aren't around anymore, so what's to be done? I say Ravich should be removed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:52, 16 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Romanian Robocop ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/naha-ed.-robocop-scan; I'm guessing this one is pretty rare, the publisher not having any books listed on ISFDB, so if anyone fluent in Romanian would like to enter it. There's also this French edition, https://archive.org/details/robocop-1987-ed-naha-livre-scanne-francais, but the publisher has hundreds of books on ISFDB so it's probably common, but someone may want to enter it, anyway. It seems there are no English-language editions of Robocop on Archive.org. EDIT: https://archive.org/details/robocop20000naha; French edition of Robocop 2. At least with #2 there is a copy of the Jove edition on Archive.org, although it's a very ratty copy with stickers all over the covers; I will enter it. Thank you for your cooperation. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:59, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I've entered the Romanian and French editions for the first book. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:09, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Memory of Fire ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?23263; I added Archive.org links to both editions, price for HC was wrong (fixed) and artist is credited as Dinayer, PB has Dinyer which is his real name, search on the archive finds Dinayer only for that book and nothing else, only online site with Dinayer is this, http://www.otherchangeofhobbit.com/0001.html, so should note be made about wrong spelling or wrong name entered for HC and a variant made? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?21706; I added TP Archive.org link; 1 of those PB records should probably be deleted as redundant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:58, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Karine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=karine+d&type=Name; Same person, probably. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Site performance and title searches -- possible software solution ==<br />
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Site performance has been spiky recently -- one moment it's flawless and the next moment it takes 5-10+ seconds to load a simple Web page.<br />
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One of the main issues contributing to these performance problems is the fact that we have over 2 million title records. When you enter a word like "pulp" in the main Search box and select "All Titles" or "Fiction Titles", the database software has to scan 1-2+ million records to see which one contain the word "pulp" in the title field. The process can take a number of seconds depending on what else is happening at the same time.<br />
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To make matters worse, if a moderator happens to be approving a submission which affects a title record (even an unrelated title record) while the search is running, it will block not only the approval process, but also ''all'' other users who are trying to run title searches or display titles-related Web pages (which is to say most of them.) In the meantime, other requests -- searches, page display requests, approvals -- pile up in our database's internal queue. Once the original search finishes and the approval is processed, the next search is executed, which can also take a few seconds and that can result in a collision with the next approval process and so on. Things can really pile up.<br />
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The obvious solution would be to add a "Match Type" drop-down box to the "Search" section and change its ''default'' behavior from "find records which contain the entered string" to "find records which are exactly like the entered string". It would still ignore upper/lower case, so a search on 'jane doe' would find 'Jane Doe'. It would also check exact transliterated values. Users who need to do a "contains" search could then change the drop-down value from "exact" to "contains". We could also add another drop-down value, "starts with", which is much faster than "contains".<br />
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The main issue with this solution is that some users may need the "contains" functionality most of the time, which would require them to change the selected "Match Type" value repeatedly and slow them down. One possible approach would be to make "exact" vs. "contains" a user-defined option. That way users who use "contains" all the time could set it to be their default. Also, since it's primarily ''title'' searches that cause performance problem, we could change the default value just for them, but I can't think of a way to do it without causing confusion.<br />
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Thoughts? Ideas? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:10, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Switching to a default "exact" will make our search almost useless IMO - people don't always remember if the title starts with "the" or want to type a long title (or even remember it) when it contains a word which will find the title quickly enough. And as Advanced Search requires an account, that will aggravate things even more (while accounts are free, a search requiring an account makes some people a bit wary sometimes). Adding a dropdown may help with pure bot searches (until the bot learns to use the proper mode anyway). <br />
: Full text search is always going to be an expensive operation. Maybe some indices can help a bit... <br />
: On the other hand, we do need to do something - the servers seem to get hit more and more with these long requests - which makes it almost impossible to use the DB at times... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:13, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I keep forgetting that the recent server upgrade also updated the database engine from 5.0 to 8.0. Version 8.0 has much more robust support for "full-text" searches. I'll need to do more research to determine what the new options are. Thanks for jogging my memory. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:53, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Wheatley Omnibus ==<br />
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I've moved info over to the single novel, using Dalby's copy instead of FantLab because it has more photos and inscriptions, but I don't really want to delete this one because I think editor who entered it got confused and meant to make this the Octopus omnibus of Wheatley's novels, https://www.worldcat.org/title/60070877, so if anyone would like to convert it or something. A few people worked on it previously and there's a verification, so I'm not sure why nobody ever noticed something was wrong with it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:18, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Marian Wood ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281433; I added Marian Wood to publisher for a Henry Holt book and searched notes, finding some people added it, too, while others noted it only; none of the Holt books had it in the publisher while some G.P. Putnam's had it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?33246, and others didn't. I've tried to standardize them all, but this one, which I replaced the cover image for in a pending edit, is the only one not on Archive.org (correct cover on OL leads to different edition) and neither PV is really active, so whenever my Marian Wood edits are finally approved if anybody remembers they can decide to change this one, too, so all books are under the same publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:56, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mapping the Beast ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?706465; I believe this is another of the MANY Prime books which were announced and then cancelled over the years; an 8888-00-00 may be needed unless someone can find evidence it was released somewhere. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:07, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Turner? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?157242; http://www.bewilderingstories.com/bios/turner_jm_bio.html; that story is not by the dead artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:25, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Philsp Problem ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=info+from%3A+http%3A%2F%2Fwww.philsp.com%2Fhomeville; I had an issue with a mod about the link I provided in the notes for a story from Philsp not pointing to the same place as it did when I added the link a short time ago; it seems that site constantly updates and stuff gets moved around to other pages. Luckily, I write my notes in a specific style and so that search linked above has found what is likely most of them, although it's possible in my earlier days I wrote them a bit differently so there might be a few others, who knows. Anyway, I have neither the patience or the will to fix any of them, my effort in finding them in the first place being a waste of time now, so I give my permission to anyone who cares to remove the dead links and enter something else, or nothing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:10, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Lands Beyond ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Lands_Beyond; Re: this discussion, if anybody can determine which edition the Archive.org copy is then they can respond here and I will add the link myself to that edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:23, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Slesar Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?690; 2021 Archive.org copies of 1978 Doubleday and 1st Avon of 100 Great Science Fiction Short Short Stories, I added links to both, also added month to Asimov intro but there are 4 stories that have 1978 dates that are likely original because they're not in the copyright section, many PV so someone can look into that and decide whether to change their months to that of the original edition, more important is Henry Slesar's stories, he wrote one of those annoying "omnibus" stories in Playboy in 1960 which was under 1 title, After: Four Fables of the Post-Bomb World, but each fable had a different title, After is in many books but it's unclear whether they all reprinted all 4 fables, it also has a variant title of "Doctor" but that's wrong because that's the title of one of the vignettes and is in the same 100 Great... anthology, mentioned above, that "After" is supposedly also in but that's also wrong because there's nothing titled After, it just included 3 of the 4 fables separately, there's also a 1981 German "Doctor" on ISFDB which was never made a variant of the original, 1 fable, "Merchant", has a 1978 date on ISFDB as if it's original, and another, "Lawyer", says it only appeared in Russian. So, if anyone wants to, they can sort out that mess. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:48, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ordering of Moorcock's Elric Books ==<br />
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I'd like to change the numbering of Michael Moorcock's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?644 The Elric Saga]. We do not number it in publication order, nor do I think we should. As far as I can tell, we seem to have the series numbered by internal chronology of the six books that were published by the 1970s. Any books published after that are added after the first six in publication order. Finally, there is a graphic story that it tacked on the end of the series. To be fair, that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?10221 title] was not marked as graphic until this morning when I did so based on its entry in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102980 The Tanelorn Archives] and the Amazon listing of its 1997 edition. With the publication of a new Elric book this December, I believe that we should number the series by internal chronology and while I think we can leave the comic book in the series, I wouldn't assign it a number. This is how we treat short stories that have either been collected or not. I would suggest that we number the series as:<br />
#''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?6123 Elric of Melniboné]''<br />
#''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1907 The Fortress of the Pearl]''<br />
#''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1275 The Sailor on the Seas of Fate]''<br />
#''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?25333 The Weird of the White Wolf]''<br />
#''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3102872 The Citadel of Forgotten Myths]''<br />
#''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?186981 The Sleeping Sorceress]''<br />
#''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1309 The Revenge of the Rose]''<br />
#''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?28394 The Bane of the Black Sword]''<br />
#''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?6124 Stormbringer]''<br />
Thoughts? <br />
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Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:11, 26 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I am thinking that we should probably organize the original (1961-1964) stories, which are currently listed within the main series, as a separate sub-series.<br />
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: I am afraid I don't have an opinion re: the best way to order the main series since I gave up on it decades ago. All I recall is that the series order was messy because Moorcock kept tweaking things. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:16, 26 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Not hearing any objections, I'm going to go ahead and proceed with the numbering change for the collections/novels. I should have mentioned that for all of them except the recent book, they are collected in various omnibus editions which make the numbering clear. Audible inserts the new book between the two recently published omnibus editions. I'm reading the new novel now and this fits as it contains the character Moonglum who is first introduced in ''The Weird of the White Wolf''. I'll also adjust the content on the omnibus titles. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:53, 30 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Printing field for publications ==<br />
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Not sure if this is already a feature request, but it would be extremely helpful to have a "Printing" field that showed up when viewing all of the publications of a particular title. For some (like ''The Fellowship of the Ring'') that have a ton of printings, it would make finding the specific printing entry a lot easier when trying to verify a publication. Currently, you have to pull up multiple publication entries until you find the one you're looking for (since the printing information is in the Notes). Thoughts? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:06, 27 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: We have discussed this issue a few times. The latest iteration of the discussion resulted in {{FR|794}}, "Add 'Printing number' and "Printing # Details" fields to pub records". The Description field says:<br />
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:* Add 'Printing number' and "Printing # Details" fields to publication records. The first field should be strictly numeric, allowing values like "1", "3" or "27". It will be displayed as a new column in the standard Publication table. It will be used for sorting publications that have the same publication date and publisher within it.<br />
:* The second field will allow arbitrary values like "stated fourth Ace printing but actually at least the 6th printing because Ace reset its printing numbers at some point". The value, if present, will be displayed in a mouse-over bubble next to the numeric Printing Number value. (See http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive48#.22Printing_Number.22_field_--_an_alternative_approach for further discussion.)<br />
: The Discussion section of the FR talks about various related issues, e.g.:<br />
:* The main problem that I have run into is that the definition of "printing" can be vague. A popular book which has been published by multiple publishers using multiple formats can easily have half a dozen "first" printings: "first printing of the Dutton edition", "first printing of the Ace paperback edition", "first printing of the Italian edition", etc. If a title is associated with 6 "first printing" publications published over the course of 20 years, sorting them by their "printing" number would create a mess. In addition, some publishers (like Ace in the 1980s) occasionally reset printing numbers, which creates a difference between "stated printing" and "actual printing".<br />
: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:23, 27 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: (after resolving edit conflict) We have this discussion once a year or so since I had been around :) I absolutely agree - we need that to be visible in the publications list under a title. The usual pebble that derails the conversation is an attempt to formalize what we allow in that field and how to represent things. A text field will do (with guidelines and maybe a check that it starts with a number or contains only a number). One interesting usecase to think of is when the same publisher has 2 editions with undated printings - then you have 2 4th printings which are otherwise the same and you need the notes to separate the two but even then, I am fine with just “4” in the field/list and that would still be better than the current situation. If we can use that field as a secondary sort as well (despite being weird as it will get the undated editions sorted based on that field only, it will still be better than what we have now and make it easier to find if we have that book), it will be even better. Plus it will solve the issue with 2 printing in the same year (with only year). But I’d take it without the sorting as well - just making it visible will be a huge step ahead for usability for books with a lot of printings. It will also show a newish editor and user very clearly that we have separate listings for each printing. :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:33, 27 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Well, if we are going to add a check to make sure that the entered value "contains only a number", then we might as well make the database field numeric, which will simplify sorting.<br />
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:: I guess we could start by implementing a single numeric "Printing number" field, use it for a few weeks/months and then decide whether we need a complementary "Printing # description" field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:16, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Server downtime at 5pm (2022-12-27) ==<br />
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I will be taking the server down for maintenance at 5pm server (Eastern) time. I expect it to be down for less than 30 minutes as I tweak server settings and build a new index to improve performance. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:26, 27 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The server is back up. This was just Step 1 of a two-step process and any performance improvements that you may see should be marginal. The second step is what should speed up title searches -- and, indirectly, all ISFDB Web pages which retrieve title records -- dramatically. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 27 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Around 7:30 PM I got a message saying that partial title searches won't work anymore and have to be done from advanced title search from now on. Is this the improvement you mentioned? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 27 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, it's the downside of the performance enhancements that I mentioned in the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Title_Search_performance_improvements_are_now_live announcement] which I posted a few minutes ago. We must have cross-posted. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:46, 27 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Title Search performance improvements are now live ==<br />
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The "All Titles"/"Fiction Titles" search performance improvements which [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Site_performance_and_title_searches_--_possible_software_solution we discussed last week] are now live. "All Titles" and "Fiction Titles" searches should be significantly faster and should no longer cause the rest of the site to freeze for a number of seconds.<br />
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The only downside is that regular title searches are now limited to "complete words". As the All Titles/Fiction Titles Search results page says:<br />
* Note that All Titles and Fiction Titles searches are now limited to complete words for performance reasons. If you want to search for a substring, e.g. 'kenstein' in 'Frankenstein', you will need to use Advanced Title Search.<br />
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Note that you can still search for "of Frankenstein", "Frankenstein and the" and other combinations of words.<br />
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Please let me know if you come across any issues. Database performance is a tricky thing and it's always possible that fixing one problem only uncovers another, but things look promising at the moment. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:44, 27 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I have created and processed a few hundred Fixer submissions to see how well the system performs post-fix. Everything runs much faster with hardly any delays. System level tools also show that average system load has dropped by a factor of 5+. The only time the approval process struggles is when a submission creates or deletes a bunch of author records, e.g. an anthology with half a dozen previously unknown-to-ISFDB authors. I'll need to look into it at some point, but other than that things look good. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:43, 29 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Wesson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165661; Should probably be an alternate name for the author, Paul Wesson, since it's his name written backwards. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Pierard SF Anthology ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/astoundinggalaxyoffutureifs; I came across this randomly while looking up David Bunch; John Pierard has ISFDB art credits, his brother Matt is mentioned in notes, but this thing isn't on ISFDB. Maybe somebody can do something with it if it qualifies to be here (it's got some art, too); last page mentions a completely unrelated book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:39, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?927391 Done]! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:42, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Six Ghost Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?962266; I did stuff in a pending edit for the Ash-Tree edition and noticed his full name is on the title page, like the original edition, so T.G. Jackson shouldn't really be the name for anything here, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:18, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:The ebook version of Six Ghost Stories uses T. G. Jackson on the title page per Amazon Look Inside. I will make the necessary changes for the hc edition. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:45, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
The original edition has the same abbreviations after his name on the title page as the Ash-Tree HC, as seen in the Archive link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:32, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:Updated. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:48, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Steve Moore Books ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1323144; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5524330; After adding an Archive.org 2nd printing of Moore's novelization of V For Vendetta I also added Somnium, but as can be seen in my pending edit stuff needed fixing. The e-book from nthposition (only book by them on ISFDB) doesn't seem to exist anymore and says Alan Moore wrote the intro while the edition I edited says afterword (which is correct) and there's not much info online about the revised edition, although WorldCat's page count is way different, totally wrong page counts being a common problem when editors here enter info from Amazon. So after mine is approved if anyone can track down the other editions and fix/merge. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:34, 29 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ziel ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5525956; There doesn't seem to be any mention of this anywhere on the web, not even here, http://lynn-munroe-books.com/list62/Ziel_checklist9/Ziel_checklist9.htm, so I may have found something unique here. I was actually editing different editions of Lawrence Sanders' novel Dark Summer and noticed this similarly-titled Koontz book, one of the old gothics he never allowed to be reprinted, and saw ZIEL in the grass. This seems to be a very rare book and on some online covers you can barely see it but on the ISFDB cover, if you magnify it, I see it. ISFDB credits Ziel with, among others, 2 Lancer covers with a similar art style. Am I crazy? Does anyone own this book? no matter how clear an online photo is, nothing beats physical material you can shove up to your eyeballs if you need to make something out. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5525973; Another one, although this has been known since 2013 at least according to an update on the Ziel site (not known on this site, though) and was not found by me (damn it). Many PV, at least a couple still active, so I'm sure if they have some possible objection to this they'll chime in here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:13, 30 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== AULD LANG SYNE ==<br />
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https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41tIAZhOp0L.jpg. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:32, 31 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Happy New Year to all readers and bibliographers of speculative fiction (including Fixer)! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:38, 31 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: All the best for you all from this side of the lake, too! I hope 2023 is going to get better than 2022 (moving towards peace on the contintents). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:06, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Looking for one book. ==<br />
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Hello. I am Looking for one book. I only remember the beginning of the piece. Some guy found a derelict computer, sat down at it and started doing something, and then he saw a man with a gun walk up to the desk, they looked at each other in silence for a while, then the guy mechanically pressed the Enter button and the man shot him back. The work was read in the 1990s or very early 2000s. The piece appeared no later than the 1990s (probably earlier). I also remember that the guy was doing something enthusiastically on the computer: at first he typed without looking at the screen, but the message on the computer monitor made him do his work more slowly and carefully. The phrases went something like this. The message on the computer screen made him work more carefully. Behind the desk stood a man with a gun in his hand. The guy had never seen a real gun, except in the movies, but he knew immediately what it was. The guy's hand dropped mechanically to the Enter button, and the same second the black muzzle of the gun burst into flames, ending his life. Thank you in advance. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 01:23, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Nothing comes to mind, I am afraid. There are a couple of Reddit forums that may be worth a shot: [https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/ Tip of My Tongue], which handles all types of media, and [https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/ PrintSF], which specializes in printed speculative fiction. The Usenet group [https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written rec.arts.sf.written] may be another place to check. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:49, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Sadly. Thank you. Wrote in the first and third place, in the second they require 2 days from the date of registration. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 15:05, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Another possible place to check is [https://community.abebooks.com/s/forum-topic-results?language=en_US&topicId=0TO3n0000003yS1GAI&type=Community%20Forum Book Sleuth] on the AbeBooks site. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:09, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I've updated the [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|ISFDB FAQ]] with a section containing the above links. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:14, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Thank you, I wrote. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 05:02, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I wrote: 1. [https://community.abebooks.com/s/question/0D53n000092akFOCAY/a-guy-gets-into-an-unattended-computer-and-gets-killed-with-a-gun-for-it-a-detective-or-maybe-a-thriller?language=en_US&topicId=0TO3n0000003yS1GAI Book Sleuth], [https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/comments/1046dwp/tomtmovie2000sa_guy_gets_into_an_unattended/?sort=new tipofmytongue], [https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/105spj3/looking_for_one_book/ printSF] and [https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written/c/4p_Z6o_Uc38?pli=1 rec.arts.sf.written]. Where else to write? --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 06:58, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title Merge -- post-submission pages enhanced ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for Title Merge submissions have been enhanced. They now correctly display embedded HTML and properly link to third party Web sites. Displayed field names are now more meaningful. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:52, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Award Editor -- post-submission pages enhanced ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for Edit Award submissions have been enhanced. They now link to the main Award Type page for the award's type, correctly display embedded HTML and link to IMDB where applicable. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:52, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Request Currey check (print, 1979) ==<br />
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''The Body Snatchers'' (1955) publication record {{p|211333}}, primarily by User:Bluesman who is no longer with us, implies that Currey is the source for cover artist "Stuart Treslian". That reference should be to print [[Reference:Currey]] rather than the L. W. Currey website, which does not name Stuart T nor any cover artist in current descriptions of two copies ([https://www.lwcurrey.com/pages/books/129296/jack-finney-walter-braden-finney/the-body-snatchers one at US$4500]).<br />
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Spelling "Stuart Tresilian" may be expected. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Tresilian Stuart T at Wikipedia]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:04, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:The entry for this book in Currey is not the source for the cover artist, and doesn't ordinarily provide the cover artist in the entries. I'm certain that [[Reference:Currey|the reference]] is what [[User:Bluesman|Bill]] was referring to in the note. However, I believe he was only indicating that Currey stated that there was no statement of printing. You may also find [[Reference:Verification Sources|this chart]] helpful. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:15, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks. Layout supports your interpretation.<br />
:: That chart of ISFDB Verification Sources will be useful. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:03, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fiction series(?): Body Snatchers, The; Invasion of, The ==<br />
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We have 1955 T{{t|437}} and rewritten 1978 T{{t|186595}} versions of this Jack Finney novel, as distinct parent titles with multiple variants (some under shared titles), presumably because the rewrite has been judged "great enough" (DO NOT MERGE, Mhhutchins, 2008-12-13).<br />
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Those need some linkage. (I will need to re-revise the former parent Title note, item 2.) I suggest a Series containing numbered versions 1 and 2. Is there any reason not to link them by a fiction series, rather than multiple cross-reference links? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:16, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New Publication -- post-submission page in the process of being updated ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for "New Publication" submissions are currently in the process of being updated. The first patch was installed a few minutes ago. It tweaked the way the "Title" section is displayed.<br />
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Upgrading the software behind this Web page is a delicate process because some of it is shared with other post-submission pages like "Clone Publication". It will take a few patches to get everything updated. In the meantime, if you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:15, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: It does look a little jarring without a label at the top of the first table but I will wait to see where that ends before complaining about it properly. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:30, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Oh, one thing - html in the Moderator notes is not resolving. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5540454 example] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Investigating... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:05, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: OK, the missing header ("Title Data") has been resurrected and "Note to Moderator" has been changed to display HTML correctly. All previously upgraded post-submission pages had the same HTML display issue, but it didn't become obvious until NewPub was upgraded since Fixer uses HTML in moderator notes. Thanks for reporting the problems! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:32, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: Looks good now. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:16, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) The "Title" section has been further enhanced for AddPub submissions. It now displays all field values for the title record that the new pub is about to be attached to. It doesn't include reviews, tags, a link to the parent title (if there is one), variants or other fancy things that the regular Title page displays, but it's a lot more data than what was displayed before the change. The new format also has a new section header, "Automerge title data", which hopefully makes it easier to tell that the submission is an AddPub and not a NewPub. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:52, 14 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The "Publication Metadata" section has been updated to display embedded HTML tags correctly and to allow multiple warnings per field. A few yellow warnings have been tweaked and I plan another pass to upgrade the rest of them once I update ClonePub, Import/Export and EditPub to use the same software. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:32, 17 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I suppose that "Post-submission pages" include "Approved ..." among others. Approved New Publication; Approved ClonePub; Approved Publication Update --all retain(?) link label "New record:" in the footer. Approval timestamp 2023-01-17 21:28:23 for the mildly offending PubUpdate. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:09, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?928677 this recently created pub]'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?928677 Edit History], I see that the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527716 NewPub submission] which created it links to the new record at the bottom of the page, which is as it should be. The subsequent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527989 PubUpdate submission] also says "New record" and links to it even though it's no longer a new record.<br />
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::: It looks like it's an old bug introduced back when Edit History was implemented a couple of years ago. {{Bug|824}} has been created -- thanks for identifying it! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:14, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: It should be fixed now. Thanks again. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:36, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Looking for a sci-fi title ==<br />
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Hello everyone, I am looking for the title and author of a SF short story (or novel) in which a NASA-type company sends chronically unlucky people to unknown planets. Since these people are dogged by ill luck, the company figures they will encounter all the problems there are : monsters, eruptions, and so on. And that will be a good way to prepare for the planets’ exploration. Does anybody happen to know, by any chance, the title or/and author of this story ? Yves Lavandier {{unsigned2|07:15, January 18, 2023 |Yves Lavandier}}<br />
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: I have no recollection of a plot like this. Can you perhaps give a line of time it might have been published in? (It sounds more like a classic plot: 1940s to 1950s, I'd say). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:15, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:You can try one of the resources listed [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|here]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:33, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Sounds like the plot of Robert Sheckley's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?46023 The Minimum Man]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 14:07, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Annals of Klepsis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2779; https://archive.org/details/annalsofklepsis0000laff; Active verifiers, look at this, it's got stuff crossed/whited out on front and back covers, a pasted string of numbers on copyright page, etc. Alternate edition or something, maybe, if anyone wants to enter it. It was added in Feb. 2021, just after the last PV. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5547100; This was uploaded in April 2021; I made an attempt at entering it ("borrowing" the phrasing of the price info from other records on ISFDB) but I'm sure editors who enter French books regularly can add some stuff after my edit is approved. I notice someone named AlainLeBris did a lot of them; is he still editing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: AlainLeBris's last activity date is 2022-01-22, almost a year ago. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:03, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Silverberg's "We, the Marauders" and "Invaders from Earth" ==<br />
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Silverberg's 1958 novella, {{T|67050|name=We, the Marauders}}, came out a few months earlier than his 1958 novel {{T|2798|name=Invaders from Earth}}, although they are basically the same story. As such, it has often been viewed (including in our records) that the novella came first, and was then expanded into the novel. In a post yesterday on the FictionMagsIndex mailing list, Silverberg corrects that impression, writing:<br><br />
"After 65 years I don't have a clear recollection of how the changes in INVADERS FROM EARTH came about. I do recall that I wrote the book for Don Wollheim at Ace and then offered it to Bob Lowndes, whose pulp magazine SCIENCE FICTION QUARTERLY could handle long stories. The title "We, the Marauders" on the magazine version was Lowndes', though I liked it. I don't recall whether he or I did the cutting, or how the changes in plot came about. The Ace version was the original one, though."<br><br />
I have updated the title notes to both the novella and the novel to reflect this information. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 13:08, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: (I reviewed those Title notes but don't know the story.) I submitted update, and noted "hold for User: Chavey", of the NOVEL note as "the same story" ==> "nearly the same story" ... "and the cuts create a different resolution to the main character's personal story." The latter information, from the novella Title note, seems too important to omit from either one. Also I showed strong approval of the paragraph break by replicating it here for the novel, which unfortunately creates a mass of text in the "Differences".<br />
: I would have named the "writer's blog" that is also the "FictionMagsIndex mailing list", if I understand correctly. I won't make the call that it belongs in the Notes but hope you will identify it here with a link. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:53, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ohioana Book Award ==<br />
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Here's another award I found. It's not a specifically genre award, but there are genre winners regularly appearing in its list of winners. [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/past-award-winners/ Main list], [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/other-awards/ additional list], [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/ general info]. They appear to be all juried awards, given out since the early 1940s.<br />
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List of categories:<br />
*Fiction<br />
*Nonfiction<br />
*Middle Grade & Young Adult Literature<br />
*Juvenile Literature<br />
*Poetry<br />
*About Ohio (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Walter Rumsey Marvin Grant (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Readers’ Choice Award (the only non-juried award)<br />
*Alice Louise Wood Award<br />
*Anniversary Award<br />
*Award of Merit<br />
*Career Award<br />
*Citation Award<br />
*Editorial Excellence<br />
*Head Award<br />
*Krout Poetry<br />
*Ohio Favorite Author (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Ohio Favorite Book (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Pegasus Award<br />
*Sesquicentennial Award<br />
*Ohioana Fellowship<br />
*Ohio Favorite Book<br />
*Ohio Favorite Author<br />
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I can enter them once they're created. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:13, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I am not sure how many of their categories have SF awards, but I have found at least a few genre authors: Andre Norton, Lois McMaster Bujold, Virginia Hamilton. If there are no objections, I can create a new award type, which will let moderators create categories as needed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:01, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yup, that's pretty much along the lines of what I found. Edward Eager is in there, too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:00, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Done. It's our [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?100 100th Award Type]! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::An auspicious beginning, to be sure. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:12, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Took a while, but I think all of them are entered now. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?100 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:35, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== S.E.P. SF ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29174; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363483; Likely these 2 records are for the same book, but each contains info the other doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:39, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I agree. I've merged everything to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363483 this one]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:13, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon cover images in publication records ==<br />
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[1] Given some stable image file.jpg under "images/I" at Amazon, do we have any reason to prefer one of the addresses https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/ and https://m.media-amazon.com/ ? Is it valuable to change our URL from one to the other, upon noticing an address change at the Amazon product page?<br />
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[2] Do we have any reason to prefer linking a cover image at Amazon or linking one at Open Library? If not in general, then a match with stated printing number, available via "Look inside" at Amazon or "Preview" at Open Library but not both, is one attractive criterion. Image quality is another. Most recently I chose to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5545586 link m-media-amazon.com] rather than [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL28305950M/The_particular_sadness_of_lemon_cake Open Library OL28305950M] because the latter image looks "too dark" to me. (Only now I see that "Preview" reveals a 9th printing, and Amazon UK/US provide no "Look inside".) <br />
<br>--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:56, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Amazon: Either works and points to the same place for EVERY image. If we discover that one of the spaces is discontinued, we can swap them programmatically but for the time being, either can be used (ebooks usually use the media one these days; paper books can use the images-na). As long as the ID at the end is the same, the two domains are identical for all intents and purposes and will always show the same image.<br />
: As for the OL/Amazon - both are stable (As long as it is an /I/ image in Amazon so use whichever looks better and is of better quality overall. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:37, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clone/Export/Import -- post-submission page updated ==<br />
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The "Publication Data" section of the post-submission review page for Clone/Export/Import submissions has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:02, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Author Photo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?71; I did some Clive Barker book edits recently and, as far as I can recall, his photo was broken because it was from one of those sites that don't display HTTP images correctly after our server move (or possibly it was just a bad photo and I decided to replace it), so I substituted a color photo from FantLab of Barker in his library that's very recent judging by his appearance, which is not very pleasant these days due to all his medical problems. Today I randomly came across his page again and saw that someone replaced that with a different photo that's not only in black-and-white but very old judging by his youthful appearance, plus it has one of those long WEBP URL's Amazon was using for a while recently. Is there any way to see a history of who edits author records? I'd like to know who changed it. I'm going to re-replace it with the FantLab photo and hopefully it will stay that way this time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Author records do have Edit History information on file, but only moderators can access it. The reason is that our [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Data_Deletion_Policy data deletion policy] lets living authors request removal of ''biographical'' (as opposed to ''bibliographic'') data from their author records. Making authors' Edit History publicly available would defeat the purpose of the policy.<br />
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: In this case the change was made by [[User:Stonecreek]] in submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527111 5527111] on 2023-01-01. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Stonecreek, you say? What a shock. Anyway, my edit is pending to change it back. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:40, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::In order to prevent a continuing edit war, I've put the further edit on hold. Could [[User:Username|Username]] and [[User:Stonecreek|Christian]] as well as any other editors with an opinion on which image should be used please come to an agreement here before we further churn the author image? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:21, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: My opinion is a recent image, like the one I added from FantLab seems to be (they have 2 others which are old and B&W), is better because he doesn't look anything like he did in his heyday when he was rather handsome. However, if someone feels like they really need to see an overly bright B&W photo from decades ago on his ISFDB page, so be it. Maybe after he's dead (which may be soon judging by his appearance these days) perhaps a recent photo will be more appropriate then. I doubt I'll be around to add it, but maybe someone else will. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:34, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: There were two reasons for me to change the image: the first is the more handsome look (I do think that we should aim to have no images that would possibly intimidate an author or his/her readers), the second that Amazon seems to be more stable & is somewhat more official. I could live with the other image but do fear that it would lead towards users escaping Barker's summary page as fast as one could. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:48, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Pending edit's been sitting in my list for a long time so I just cancelled it. I did, however, make another edit today (pending) replacing the ancient Ramsey Campbell B&W photo on ISFDB with a recent color one on Amazon of him in all his chubby glory, so one Brit horror writer falls, another rises. It's hard to say who looks more unhealthy these days, Barker or Campbell. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:39, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Australasian Horror ==<br />
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https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ahwa-competition-past-winners/; I was doing some edits for the first issue of Hub Magazine and 1 of the stories by Liam Rands was an honorable mention for this award (he won for another story the next year); there was discussion here recently about awards so this may be something someone would want to enter. Awards are still going as of 2022. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:39, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Interesting. It looks like the Australasian Horror Writers Association has two separate/parallel projects:<br />
:* [https://australasianhorror.com/australian-shadows-awards/award-entry-rules/ The Australian Shadows Award] with the usual menagerie of categories like "short story", "novel", "novellete/novella", "collection", etc.<br />
:* [https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ The AHWA Robert N Stephenson Flash Fiction & Short Story Competition], which has two categories for ''unpublished'' horror stories:<br />
:** ''Flash Fiction'': Stories up to 1000 words in length<br />
:** ''Short Story'': Stories from 1001 to 7500 words.<br />
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: We already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?68 the Australian Shadows Award listed], but we don't cover "The AHWA Robert N Stephenson Flash Fiction & Short Story Competition" at this time. One thing to note is that the latter is a true "competition" in the tradition of pulp magazines. To quote their [https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ rules page]:<br />
:* The winner in each category will receive an engraved plaque and the winning stories will appear in Midnight Echo, and receive the pay rate commensurate with that edition.<br />
: Runner-ups presumably benefit by being able to claim that their stories were "runner-ups" when they try to sell them to other markets.<br />
: This is a bit unusual, but we do have precedent for including awards given to unpublished texts -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?57 Prix Jean Ray], which is given to "Best unpublished fantasy text by a Belgian writer".<br />
: Thoughts? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:59, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::I'd support adding it. Some of the more prestigious Japanese SF awards are contests where the winner(s) get publishing contracts (as do some of the runners up, often). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:11, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: If there is no objection, I will create a new Award Type tomorrow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:59, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: A new award type and two award categories [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?101 have been created]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:58, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::: Jusges?--[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Fixed, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:51, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nick Fox/Bantock Cover ==<br />
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https://books.google.com/books?id=GDPwBhpEtAIC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=shadrach&f=false; Nick Bantock's art book The Artful Dodger includes a Silverberg cover, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1139072, which is credited to a studio (and back cover seen online does credit it to that studio) but he says he did it under his Nick Fox name. So what to do? Also, Google Books copy seems to be a 2nd printing of the Chronicle Books edition on ISFDB and there's a Canadian edition from Raincoast on Archive.org which isn't on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:49, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Inter-author collections of speculative drama ==<br />
Good afternoon, everyone. Are there inter-author collections (Anthology, Almanac) of speculative drama? Thank you in advance. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 02:48, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30649 "Six Science Fiction Plays"] anthology, edited by Roger Elwood, Washington Square Press, 1976, ISBN 0-671-48766-3. <br />
:* [http://borealispress.com/BookDetail/rid/913/New%20Canadian%20Drama%20Vol.%208 "New Canadian Drama Vol. 8: Speculative Drama: Roswell, Eden's Moon, Alien Bait"] edited by Scott Kesi Duchesne, Borealis Press, 2002, ISBN 978-0-88887-265-4. <br />
: --[[User:Zlogorek|Zlogorek]] ([[User talk:Zlogorek|talk]]) 11:01, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::* Thank you so much, are there more examples? --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 13:40, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Edit Pub -- post-submission page updated ==<br />
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The Metadata (i.e. top) section of the post-submission review page for Edit Publication submissions has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:02, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Bloch Book Duplicate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1941501; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551231; I started to enter the HC edition, mentioned in the note by the PV, using FantLab's copy but decided to check further and it's already on ISFDB; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?30351. Both HC and TP were entered many years earlier so I guess nobody checked first before approving PV submission. I've made a (pending) edit adding ID, full cover and cover design note to the HC, but there's a problem. PV did a lot of work entering the contents, which nobody did for the 2 records entered earlier, but he got the format wrong and entered it as a collection instead of non-fiction (it has both fiction and non-fiction, so who knows). So some more astute people here should decide what to do, which to keep, possible merges, etc. I'll leave a brief note on PV page about this; they're still active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I still have the TP handy if you want to point me in the right direction. Still mostly a novice at this. I appreciate this resource and like to contribute how I can. [[User:Fenrix1958|Fenrix1958]] ([[User talk:Fenrix1958|talk]]) 21:10, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for responding so quickly. I randomly came across the Bloch book you entered and thought I'd enter the HC edition you mentioned in your note since FantLab has many photos of it, but I found it hard to believe that nobody ever entered it, and after checking further I found both HC and TP editions which, judging by edit history, were entered in the very early days of public editing here. Yours was in 2015, so I'm not sure why a moderator approved it when it already existed and had the same ISBN, but the problem is that you actually did the hard work of entering the numerous contents, unlike the others, but didn't enter the month, made it a PB instead of a TP, made it a collection with Bloch as author instead of non-fiction with Matheson and Mainhardt as editors (I'm not even sure what's correct because it includes Bloch stories but also essays from many other people about Bloch, so anthology, maybe?). So I was wanting people who, unlike me, have been doing this for a very long time to chime in and suggest what should be done because your hard work shouldn't go to waste, but several different people made edits for the edition you didn't enter so it wouldn't be right to just delete that. I've been editing for just over 2 years but am rapidly losing interest due to a variety of reasons, so I won't be of much help to you, I'm afraid; I just do simple stuff these days. Someone else will respond shortly, I'm sure, and this will be resolved soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:03, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::This is the most relevant section of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type|the help]]:<br />
::::''NONFICTION. This type should be used for books that are predominantly or completely non-fiction. This includes book-length works of non-fiction or books containing essays by one or more authors. A publication that contains both non-fiction and fiction should be typed by that which is predominant. A single work of fiction in an Isaac Asimov essay collection does not make it a COLLECTION. A book of fiction (NOVEL, COLLECTION, or ANTHOLOGY) containing a generous, but not predominate, amount of non-fiction, such as introductions, essays, and other non-fiction works, should not be typed as NONFICTION. Mixtures of fiction and non-fiction are more usually found in magazines than they are in books, so the question does not often arise.''<br />
:::I'd wait a bit to see if there are any opposing viewpoints, but it looks to me like the book is '''''predominantly''''' the Bloch stories and poem, and most of the essays are introductions to those works. However, it also has more -- and a wider range of -- essays than we would normally see as supplemental material in a typical collection. So it strikes me as a book assembling Bloch works and a lot of other material, as opposed to a book about Bloch that happens to contain some of his works. If you have the book, you can make a more informed judgement that I can. If it's primarily a book of Bloch works, I would use ANTHOLOGY as the least bad fit, with Matheson and Mainhardt as the editors. If the book is primarily about Bloch, then NONFICTION would be more appropriate. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:45, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::My edit for the HC was just approved after a long wait (I made a minor error in the note so that new edit still has to be approved), but I think I'm done and so someone should decide what to do with the 2 separate but equal paperback editions now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== L. R. Giles/Lamar Giles - Canonical Name ==<br />
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Our canonical name for this author is currently {{A|L. R. Giles}}, presumably because that's how his first three SF stories credited the author back in 2004-2007. However, over the last 6 years he has published 4 SF novels and 2 stories as "Lamar Giles". A 2018 reprint of a 2006 story also used "Lamar Giles".<br />
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Are there any objections to changing the canonical name to "Lamar Giles"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:41, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?276372 Done]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:58, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Page & Spine: Fiction Showcase - call for editors to assist ==<br />
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Hello everybody! As all webzines, including those with mainly non-genre content, are now being indexed following a policy change in October 2022 regarding the Rules of Acquisition (as per [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Webzines_inclusion:_Proposed_extension_of_ROA this discussion]), I recently started indexing speculative contributions appearing in the last two-and-a-half years of [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/index.html Page & Spine: Fiction Showcase]. This webzine began publication in 2012 and ceased on 6 May 2022. It will be taken offline permanently on or about 6 May 2023, i.e., in about three months or so. My focus on those issues published between January 2020 and May 2022 is mainly because of the addition of a speculative fiction and poetry section called 'Outta This World' from May of 2020. However, some speculative contributions continued to be published in different sections, such as 'Crumbs' (for drabbles, jokes and short-form poetry) and 'Kid Stuff' (stories and art by under-eighteens) and, prior to the establishment of the 'Outta This World' section, speculative stories and poems could be found in other sections across the site (e.g., in 'The Reading Lamp' and 'Stories'). <br />
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It will be a challenge for me to complete the period from 2020 to 2022 in the three months available but there's no way I can cover the earlier years alone (if at all). Would anyone else be interested in covering the earlier (nine) years? It's possible that after May 2023, most - if not all - of the webzine could continue to be indexed using the Internet Archive but I suspect that lacunae would occasionally be found in the latter's coverage.<br />
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It may be the case that earlier issues contained only a small amount of speculative material so this might facilitate more rapid indexing, though of course the stories, poems and essays will still need to be read to determine their eligibility.<br />
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Note that 'issues' are distributed across different sections and have been archived in different ways (e.g. under a specific section or under a particular author). The final issue appears on the current home page with items shown listed under each section. Each item appearing in the same issue will bear the issue date in brackets after the title. They can be found grouped according to month under most sections, e.g. 'The Reading Lamp' section is indexed for the period December 2013 to May 2020 [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/the-reading-lamp-archives.html here] while that for 'Crumbs' is indexed for the period December 2012 to April 2022 [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/crumbs-index.html here].--[[User:Explorer1000|Explorer1000]] ([[User talk:Explorer1000|talk]]) 12:34, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, and the series page on ISFDB is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68935 here].--[[User:Explorer1000|Explorer1000]] ([[User talk:Explorer1000|talk]]) 12:51, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rozic/Rosick ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=letter+to+roger&type=Fiction+Titles; I was adding a few links to stories from bloodrosemag.com that are on ISFDB and this dude's name is a mess. He had a story in Pulphouse which was reprinted many years later in a horror anthology under a different name; his story on Blood Rose, https://www.bloodrosemag.com/archives/sep%202001/craziedaze.html, spells his name differently at top and bottom. I did an edit (pending) making Rozic an alternate name of Rosick, but I'm not touching anything else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:24, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ongoing cleanup of post-submission pages ==<br />
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I am in the process of removing obsolete code which was previously used to display post-submission pages and was deactivated last week. I am also making minor improvements to yellow warnings as I go along, e.g. I am currently working on making the "Price" field support multiple yellow warnings. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:07, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Catalog ID- and ISBN-specific yellow warnings have been upgraded to support multiple warnings per entered value. Pre-1970 pubs with an ISBN now generate yellow warnings. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:42, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Price-specific yellow warnings for prices now support multiple warnings per entered value. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:04, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Yellow warnings for image URLs now support multiple warnings per entered value. Certain odd Amazon URLs may generate more than one warning because they break more than one of our rules. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:35, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Yellow warnings about alternate and/or disambiguated names are no longer displayed for submissions which do not change them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:17, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Broken Galactic Central image links ==<br />
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Can anything be done about this? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 13:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: See [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#Galactic_Central this post] for an explanation. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:04, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Rats! Thanks for the info. Is there a way I can make Google Chrome show the images, by allowing insecure images? I tried allowing both isfdb.org and philsp.com to show insecure content, but it didn't seem to do anything. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 16:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I would tell you to switch to a less arrogant browser, but I did a little research and found you can actually convince Chrome to do what you want in this case:<br />
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:::# Click on the lock icon to the left of isfdb.org in the address bar.<br />
:::# Click on <code>Site settings</code> in the drop-down menu that appears.<br />
:::# If <code>Privacy and security</code> is not already selected in the list at the left, select it.<br />
:::# You should see a list at the right with "www.isfdb.org" at the top.<br />
:::# Scroll way down through the "Permissions" and look for <code>Insecure content</code> with a danger triangle to the left and "Block (default)" to the right.<br />
:::# Click on the little down-arrow next to "Blocked (default)" and switch to "Allow".<br />
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:::That's it. Now if you refresh (or go back to) the ISFDB page with the blocked image, you will see the image.<br />
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:::I hope that helps. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:25, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::HOORAY! It works! Thank you so much! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 20:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Biffignandi ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?107101; https://archive.org/details/aless-andro-biffignandi-illustration-art; https://archive.org/details/sex-and-horror-the-art-of-alessandro-biffignandi; Biff apparently did a ton of art but ISFDB, oddly, only has 2 German krimi covers and an American cover for an Anne McCaffrey book (?!?) Anyway, I have a feeling the books linked above may be of use to those who enter all those obscure foreign covers. Be warned, however; there is much, MUCH nudity, including some pretty racy stuff. I do like the cover near the end of the 2nd book, however, where a weird-looking shark is chasing a woman swimming with a BABY in her arms. Is that an Italian thing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Drew S. ==<br />
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Drew Struzan is a well-known artist, today I added a link to an Archive.org copy of a novel he did the cover for, credit was to Drew Struzman, searching for that name only hit on that book, I asked PV who entered it as Struzan to check but SFJuggler doesn't always respond, so if anyone else has a copy of the 1991 Bantam Falcon edition of Indiana Jones and the Seven Veils you may want to check the copyright page. Struzan has no alternate names on ISFDB, so this may be the first. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:43, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Creative Guy From Canada ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?23801; I did some editing for Lucy A. Snyder book, publisher is Canadian, my price fix adding the "C" is the only one, should all be "C"? There's also 1 price missing and 1 where editor entered British price for some reason. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:15, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Riley Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1468203; Is this, https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/220727_19, actually by David A. Riley, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19937? He has 2 cover art credits, both discovered by me some time ago, and I think this may be another piece of art by him. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== French Bardin and Dick ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22terrain-vague-pour-la-traduction%22+&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate; I added Archive.org link to Tor TP of P.K. Dick's The Man Whose Teeth Were All Exactly Alike and added another link to the Paladin edition I did an edit for a long time ago, but there's another edition, a French one, and while searching for other books by the publisher I found they did an edition of Bardin's Deadly Percheron, although the French title is Big Clogs or something similar. So if anyone who regularly enters French editions wants to enter those. Oddly, there are publishers with the same name on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=terrain+vague&type=Publisher, but one published LONG before these 2 books came out and the other I'm not sure about, having published only an art book and a French novel, with no translations of American books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Big O ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?936; I added a D. Wheatley edition from this publisher and noticed the series, Plus, spells the publisher with a capital O. So should the publisher be spelled with a capital O, too? Also for the other series with A.C. Doyle books? Because on the Wheatley book it does look like they made the O big, since it stands for Oswald and so it makes sense that a person's initial would be capitalized. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:00, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:That seems appropriate. I found [https://archive.org/details/untramwaynommemo0000iris this scan] where the cover and title page have a stylized "NéO" logo (where it's hard to tell whether the "O" is capitalized), but title page says "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" and the copyright page says "&copy; Nouvelles éditions Oswald (NéO) 1981". So it seems they used the big "O". Two more scans corroborating that: [https://archive.org/details/troissaigneursde0000finn] and [https://archive.org/details/lhopitaletautres0000walt]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:38, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Based on that title page, the publisher should be "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" rather than "Néo" or "NéO". ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:56, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All three of those scans have: "NéO" [in stylized form] (over) "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" on the title page. The copyrights use "Nouvelles éditions Oswald (NéO)". Dates are 1981, 1982, and 1986. In the 1986 book on the page facing the title page is "Voir liste des libraries NéO en fin de volume." and "Maquette: Studios Knack/NéO" (referring to the cover illustration). The 1982 book's copyright page's list of other books by the same author has a citation that uses "Nouvelles éditions Oswald/NéO". Whether it should be "NéO" or spelled out doesn't seem clear-cut to me. But if the short form is what should be used, then I think it's clear the capitalization should be "NéO", not "Néo". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:53, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Yes, the stylized "NéO" is the logo, and the name of the publisher is "Nouvelles éditions Oswald". If the publisher information is on the title page, we always go with that over anything on the copyright page or elsewhere. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:43, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Frankenstein Glut ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5569772; PV is very gone, as can be seen there's a bunch of messy details I've tried to note/fix, LCCN ID on OL leads to a record which mentions a collector ed. and a paperback but there's only one edition on ISFDB, copyright page also mentions the 1977 Mews edition was shorter and substantially different and so wouldn't it be considered a separate book? Anyway, I noticed somebody made an edit for a Glut book today so they or someone may want to look at this after it's approved and see if they can do anything more with it. Donald N. will need to be made a variant of his real name, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:53, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Making of ROTJ ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?957601; $4.25 edition has been here for years, I added $3.50 edition recently, I moved 2 ID over, $4.25 either is Canadian with higher price, later printing, whatever, but both PV are gone, so if anyone here knows what's up a C should be added to price or date should be changed to 0000, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:33, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alien Sex ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192541; Several PV, some active, nobody added Roman numerals to page count, one of the PV should do that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:32, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-nomination for self-approver - Pwendt ==<br />
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Happy New Year (or Groundhog Day)! <br />
I nominate myself for self-approver. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:'''Support'''. [[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:32, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:'''Support'''. Does a good job. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:46, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: '''Support''' (and changing the title of the thread so it is clear what this is for :) ) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:55, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: '''Support''' -- Apologies for missing this earlier and not responding sooner. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: '''Comment'''. I haven't worked on Pwendt's submissions lately, so I'll abstain. One issue that I encountered in the past was lack of clarity in Notes. My recommendation would be using shorter complete sentences with a subject, a predicate and an optional object. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:54, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome ===<br />
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Self-approver flag set on the account as per the consensus above. Congratulations! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:40, 11 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Disch Ruins ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285521; I added links to 2 club editions recently, today a link to Arrow edition, Hutchinson edition has no price or cover artist, SFE says Chris Yates, this STAINED eBay copy has a flap photo which is blurry but a 2 seems to be the start of the price, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380896522207, so if anyone can find somewhere that shows better photos or owns a copy then price can be entered and cover artist (on back flap, I assume, although it may just be design) can be entered if warranted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:43, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Turner Diaries ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1601834; I came across a copy, uploaded to Archive.org a little over a year ago, and while making an edit remembered I had done an edit previously, which turned out to be not long before the copy was uploaded (I hate when that happens). Anyway, after my new edit is approved, there's 2 questions: name's spelled Macdonald, not MacDonald, but when changing that it still looks like MacDonald even though it's in a new column so it sees it as a change even though it doesn't look that way. Is that a quirk of ISFDB? More importantly, there's an essay by someone with the same name who I highly doubt is the same guy who wrote this notoriously violent and racist novel, and none of his 5 wives mentioned on his Wikipedia page were named Gina (I suppose it could be a relative), so I'm sure the essay writer, assuming they're still alive (it's been 40 years), would like their name moved to a separate record if they're not that other guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:11, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: When you enter or edit an author name, a publisher name, a series name or a publication series name, the ISFDB software first checks the database to see if we already have it on file. The check is not case-sensitive, so "ace books" will find "Ace Books", "george orwell" will find "George Orwell", etc. Once a matching name has been found, the software uses it instead of the form of the name that was actually entered. The process ensures that we don't end up with multiple separate records for the same author/series/publisher/etc due to capitalization mistakes during the data entry process. If we determine that the capitalization of the canonical name/series name/etc is incorrect, as is apparently the case with {{A|Andrew MacDonald}}, we can edit the main record directly.<br />
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: That said, the fact that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574438 this submission] shows "Andrew MacDonald" in the "Proposed Changes" column may be a bug. I'll take a closer look tomorrow. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:17, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I have confirmed that this problem affects both Edit Title and Edit Publication. {{Bug|826}}, "Edit Title and Edit Pub do not check for author case properly", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:23, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Coincidentally, famous artist LeRoy Neiman has all 4 of his credits on ISFDB as Leroy. Fixing the first one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575086, I subbed R but pending edit says r. So I assume it takes a while for your bug fix to start working? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:54, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: {{Bug|826}} is just a document describing the reported bug and how to recreate it. I am currently working on a software patch which should fix the problem. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:39, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Red Skelton Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575145; I asked about this last July 4 on this board, MartyD agreed with adding the "e", neither of us ever fixed it, I came across this randomly today and am finally fixing it. I trust nobody has any objection? PV is gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:34, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Price Of Three Women ==<br />
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This is a bit complicated. A stray mention of Anne McCaffrey on this site spurred me to see if I could enter anything interesting by her, skipping over her endless Pern books, and I decided to start with her non-genre works. That was a mistake. She published 3 gothic novels in the 70's which were collected by Tor as Three Women and published in either Dec. 1991 or Jan. 1992. So searching ISBN on OL found a record with no book but it did find a copy on Archive.org; searching for their URL, threewomen00mcca, on OL found a record with a link to the copy, so why ISBN doesn't is unknown because it's there on the page. Anyway, the copy is ancient, having been uploaded in 2010, but is missing the copyright page. Noticing the price was higher I created a new record with an "unknown" date and a note about it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575697. The problem is that I can't find a single photo online of a cover with the $4.99 price on it; I suspect there is none and the real original price was $5.99. Locus has much incorrect info, and searching ISBN in contents found these, https://archive.org/search?query=0-812-50587-5&sin=TXT; ignoring the 4 unrelated books, that Brown/Contento book is Locus with the same info found on their site, but that YA guide says $5.99. I find it very strange that multiple copies with extensive photos can't be found since most of her books were big sellers with large print runs and many were reprinted. I was going to cancel my edit and just add the copy link and the page numbers to the existing record, but decided not to because there's still a slim possibility it was originally $4.99. So check your shelves or the dark corners of the web, readers, and let me know if you can find a copy with that price. EDIT: My edit was rejected for some reason over my head so if anyone else wants to enter it, go ahead. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:22, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:If you were confused as to why it was rejected, you could have asked. I rejected it because it was creating an new OMNIBUS record without any content. Nor was there a moderator note stating that you intended to add the content in a subsequent edit. There are three ways you could have added this publication record. You could use the add publication tool, and manually add the contained novels in one edit. Then you would need to merge each novel separately. You could also use the add publication and in a subsequent edit import the three novel titles. If this was your intent, it's a good idea to note this in the Moderator notes, so that we'll know that you intend to finish the edit. However, the most efficient way to add this publication is with the Clone this Pub tool. That way, all the contained novels will automatically be copied and it will all be accomplished in a single edit rather than 2 or 4 edits. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:22, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stockholders in Death ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3560; Archive.org copy of #7 since 2010 that nobody ever entered here so I just did in a (pending) edit, but publisher is Warner PL; several entries omit the Warner on ISFDB, so should all of them, including this one, be made Warner PL, too? Did PL, no Warner, publish any of them? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Author name validation enhancements ==<br />
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The way the ISFDB software handles author names in Edit Title, New Pub, Add Pub, Clone Pub, and Edit Pub has been enhanced. The following scenarios are now processed correctly:<br />
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* The same author name is entered using different capitalization, e.g. "David Weber" is changed to "david weber"<br />
* The order of co-author, co-artist, co-interviewee, co-interviewer, co-reviewer or co-reviewee names is changed<br />
* The same author name is entered two or more times (for the same title) using different capitalization, e.g. "David Weber" and then again "david weber"<br />
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In all of these cases the software now ignores the submitted "change".<br />
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Hopefully every permutation has been addressed/fixed. If you come across anything unexpected, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:53, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Great SF About Doctors ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22Great+science+fiction+about+doctors%22; I added a link to original edition, fourth printing is on ISFDB with correct date but wrong printing and date in note, I added a link and fixed the note, cover artist is Don Ivan just like the fifth printing, so there's a lot of confusion, especially since the 2nd printing has no PV and nobody's entered the 3rd. So maybe someone can look into that and unmerge/un-variant; I have a feeling all the editions with that cover have Don Ivan on the back. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:22, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== C. Alexander London canonical name ==<br />
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Are there any objections to swapping the canonical name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?231877 here] to Alex London. The longer name had not been used for a long time and all new books use the shorter name. SFE also has the record under Alex London. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:46, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: It's a slightly unusual case in that his first series appeared as by "Alex London", the second one came out as by "C. Alexander London" and the last two went back to "Alex London". Be that as it may, "Alex London" is currently leading 8:3, so I think it should be the canonical name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:01, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Series with non-fiction and short-fiction only ==<br />
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When a series has only non-fiction and short-fiction in it, it shows up in an author list as a "Nonfiction Series" (As the only container title is non-fiction, it kinda makes sense). However, it is factually wrong and we are a fiction DB after all. As novellas/novelettes are popular (both as "juvenile novels under 40K" and as self-published or e-only non-juveniles), this is happening more and more often. As soon as a collection of more than one of the stories show up, the collection title bumps the series into the Fiction category. But in the meantime, it lags under Non-fiction.<br />
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Any chance to have these shown up in the Fiction series list? Example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?37710 this series]. See where it shows on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112144 author page]. Thanks! <br />
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PS: Another related case is a series with only short-fiction. Now these show all the way at the bottom, with the short fiction until they get a collection and then they sail up under Fiction series. Maybe we can solve both usecases together and just treat short fiction entries as the fiction containers and just list all fiction series under the normal series heading. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I am looking at the code that drives the Summary Bibliography page and here is what I am seeing.<br />
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: First, the software organizes all titles by series. Then it builds "series hierarchies" so that embedded series appear under the top series -- note how "Star Wars: The Clone Wars (animated)" appears under "Star Wars: Clone Wars", which appears under "Star Wars Universe" on {{A|Tracey West}}'s page. Then it checks the title type of each parent title in each "series hierarchy" to determine which section of the Summary page the hierarchy belongs under. The current logic is as follows:<br />
:* If a "series hierarchy" contains at least one NOVEL, COLLECTION, or SERIAL title, it is displayed in the "Fiction Series" section.<br />
:* OTHERWISE:<br />
:** If it contains at least one ANTHOLOGY title, it is displayed in the "Anthology Series" section.<br />
:** OTHERWISE:<br />
:*** If it contains at least one NONFICTION title, it is displayed in the "Nonfiction Series" section.<br />
:*** OTHERWISE:<br />
:**** If it contains at least one OMNIBUS title, it is displayed in the "Fiction Series" section. (This check is performed after the ANTHOLOGY and NONFICTION checks so that OMNIBUSES with only ANTHOLOGY/NONFICTION titles would appear in their respective Anthology/Nonfiction series sections.)<br />
:**** OTHERWISE:<br />
:***** If it contains at least one SHORTFICTION title, it is displayed in the "Short Fiction Series" section.<br />
:***** OTHERWISE:<br />
:****** If it contains at least one POEM title, it is displayed in the "Poem Series" section.<br />
:****** OTHERWISE:<br />
:******* If it contains at least one ESSAY title, it is displayed in the "Essay Series" section.<br />
:******* OTHERWISE:<br />
:******** If it contains at least one COVERART title, it is displayed in the "Cover Art Series" section.<br />
:******** OTHERWISE:<br />
:********* If it contains at least one INTERIORART title, it is displayed in the "Interior Art Series" section.<br />
:********* OTHERWISE:<br />
:********** If it contains at least one REVIEW title, it is displayed in the "Review Series" section.<br />
:********** OTHERWISE:<br />
:*********** If it contains at least one INTERVIEW title, it is displayed in the "Interview Series" section.<br />
:*********** OTHERWISE:<br />
:************ If it contains at least one title of some other type, it is displayed in the "Other Series" section. (This should never happen because CHAPBOOKs cannot be added to series.)<br />
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: Once all eligible titles have been placed into series, the displayed order of sections is as follows:<br />
:* Fiction Series<br />
:* Standalone novels<br />
:* Standalone collections<br />
:* Standalone omnibuses<br />
:* Standalone serials (should never happen because SERIAL titles are supposed to be turned into variants)<br />
:* EDITOR series<br />
:* Anthology Series<br />
:* Standalone anthologies<br />
:* Standalone chapbooks<br />
:* Nonfiction series<br />
:* Standalone nonfiction<br />
:* Short Fiction series<br />
:* Standalone short fiction<br />
:* Poem series<br />
:* Standalone poems<br />
:* Cover art series<br />
:* Standalone cover art<br />
:* Interior art series<br />
:* Standalone interior art<br />
:* Review series<br />
:* Standalone reviews<br />
:* Interview series<br />
:* Standalone interviews<br />
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: If we decide that we want to fold the "Short Fiction Series" section into the "Fiction Series" section, it would be easy to add "SHORTFICTION" to the list of title types which trigger placement in the "Fiction Series" series, then delete the "Short Fiction Series" section. It would also take care of the NONFICTION issue since series with a mix of NONFICTION and SHORTFICTION titles would appear in the "Fiction Series" section.<br />
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: As to whether combining "Fiction Series" and "Shortfiction" would be a desirable change, I'll have to think about it. Annie's example is a good argument in favor of making the change, but then non-series short fiction, which appears below magazines, anthologies, chapbooks and non-fiction, would be treated differently than the other title types which drive inclusion in the "Fiction Series" section. I guess we could move the "[standalone] Short Fiction" section up the page, but then it would be above book-length works like magazines and anthologies. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:43, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::What a blast from the past! I remember working on that code.... The organizational thought behind that evaluation chain was that "books" should be the primary driver of the series type. But perhaps that's a mistake when it comes to NONFICTION. It seems reasonable to suppose there might be a NONFICTION work about any series of works, and if we want to put that NONFICTION work into the series, it shouldn't affect the series type, whatever that may be. So maybe it would be best to move NONFICTION to the bottom of the chain. just before the "Other Series" catch-all. Then Nonfiction Series would only contain NONFICTION. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:04, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Currently, a series with a mix of NONFICTION, ESSAY, COVERART, INTERIORART, REVIEW and INTERVIEW titles is displayed in the "Nonfiction Series" section. Would you say that it should be displayed in the "Essay Series" section instead? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:24, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The one gotcha I see with that is a nonfiction series that happens to contain an OMNIBUS as well (do we allow that?); we wouldn't want that to end up in Fiction Series. So that evaluation might need a tweak of some sort. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:04, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::: The official [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub rule is]: "A publication may be classified as an omnibus if it contains multiple works that have previously been published independently, and at least one of them is a NOVEL, ANTHOLOGY, COLLECTION, or NONFICTION." So technically - yes, an omnibus can contain 3 NONFICTION items. In practice it is rare but it happens. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:10, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: {{A|H. P. Lovecraft}}'s [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?309615 ''Collected Essays: Complete''], which collects HPL's essays originally published as 5 NONFICTION volumes, would be one example. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:45, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Maybe the easiest way will be in the omnibus line to have a secondary check if there is at least one SHORTFICTION or POEM title - everything else on the fiction side is before the Omnibus so we will only reach that case when there are no novels and collections/anthologies. <br />
::: I won't insist on moving short fiction series higher but... I still think that having fiction series in two different places on the screen is confusing, especially for authors who write on the border between novella and novel and that end up with their series split in weird ways. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:10, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome ===<br />
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I have changed the software to display series with a mix of NONFICTION and SHORTFICTION/POEM titles in the "Fiction Series" section. We may want to start another discussion about merging the two "Fiction Series" sections. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Embedded HTML is now displayed correctly ==<br />
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After close to a hundred patches over the course of many months, embedded HTML is now displayed correctly on all ISFDB pages. If you come across any irregularities or bugs, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:51, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:What does embedded HTML mean? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:01, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Consider [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2145123 this record] whose title is "<sarcasm>Adventures in Gaming</sarcasm>". It could just as easily be "<nowiki><b>Adventures in Gaming</b></nowiki>". Angle brackets like "<" and ">" are the building blocks of HTML tags, so browsers interpret them as HTML commands to use bold, italics, underlining, etc. Or, in the case of "<sarcasm>" just stand around looking very confused :-) That's what "embedded HTML" is.<br />
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:: In order to prevent browser confusion, the ISFDB software needs to do something special to tell the browser that these particular angle brackets should be simply displayed "as is" instead of being interpreted as HTML commands. It took me a while to get everything updated, but I think I am finally done. I think I'll go have a tankard of non-alcoholic Klingon ale to celebrate :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::<clanks tankard/> For the Empire! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:29, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MV of SK ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5579477; It says 19.95 on back, librarian typed 21.95 on first page like ISFDB says, Locusmag says 19.95 but also says 1989 is the date yet they didn't see it until Aug. '90 for some reason, after this is approved someone more hip to these tangled Starmont/Borgo things may know more about if this is a 2nd printing, if they suddenly decided to raise the price before the 1st printing, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== HELP! A Bear Is Eating Me! ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL9881165A/Mykle_Hansen; English edition just uploaded to Archive.org, I added a link, but French version uploaded back in 2021 in case anyone wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:13, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SFE Clute ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5581010; Why is this happening now? Did they change again? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:09, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This is the first "clute_uk" URL that I have seen. I am going to ask the SFE administrator whether it's a typo or a new part of their URL structure. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:31, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: It turns out that "clute_uk" is a new publicly "linkable" subdirectory. I have updated the software to recognize it as legitimate. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:48, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bradbury's Twice Twenty-Two ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?38262; Search on Archive.org only brings up 1 copy but as can be seen at the OL link, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL5981610M/Twice_twenty-two, there's 1 of those weird "preview" copies; it doesn't really have the cover art like the thumbnail shows, just red cloth binding like the other copy, but it's a different copy. So if anybody knows which edition they belong in, if it's one of those later ones mentioned in the ISFDB notes, etc., then link(s) can be added; note also that OL mentions a 1994 Buccaneer edition. Also, Mugnaini's cover art was missing the month and his frontispiece was only included and dated based on the book club edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=twice+twenty&type=All+Titles, so I've fixed all that in (pending) edits; note also the last entry with a month that matches neither edition and is from a Virgil Finlay book. What's that about? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tainaron ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1440471; https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/holdingsInfo?searchId=13630&recCount=25&recPointer=3&bibId=3359893; The original Finnish edition is not on ISFDB but it is on the Library of Congress site in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. I just added an Archive.org link to the Prime Books edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:17, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Grindhouse ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/grindhousethesle0000unse; Would the inclusion of the entire screenplay for Planet Terror qualify this for entry here? I've been wanting to find something with Tarantino's name on it so I can add his bio and find the most unflattering photo of him possible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Richard Morris ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?147497; Interview is with this guy, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0606889/, not the guy from the 1800's, but does that interview about a movie really belong here? If it does, some addition to interviewee's name is needed to differ him from the dead guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:50, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I'll differentiate the name: thanks for finding this. The interview does belong here because it was published in a genre magazine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:36, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Whimper of Whipped Dogs ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=whipped+dogs&type=All+Titles; Today is the anniversary of 911 calls here in America, starting in 1968 and prompted by the murder of Kitty Genovese a few years earlier which was the inspiration for this story by Harlan Ellison. I was looking for an online PDF and found this, https://xpressenglish.com/whipped-dogs/. I'm going to add the link but I'm curious where that drawing came from. Anyone recognize it? also, at the link above, the 2 essays seem like the same thing but there's no variant. Are they the same? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:24, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lester Dent Bibliography ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=lester+dent+bibliography&type=All+Titles; https://archive.org/details/lester_dent_bibliography; 1996 date doesn't match either version on ISFDB and it seems to have been published as an e-book or something. Lots of Doc Savage work done recently here so maybe somebody wants to enter this or at least knows where it originally came from. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:52, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Squires Knight ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?834417; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?173963; I added an Archive.org link to the Leisure edition by Knight and checked his real name and found that he originally published What Rough Beast under that name. What's the variant rules here? Who's the parent? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:45, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Where it's only one title under each name, it doesn't matter much. But I found an archived copy of his website http://www.harrysquires.com/ in the Wayback Machine, and in a 2012 version there is: "Now writing horror as H.R. Knight, Harry...". So it seems he deliberately changed his horror-writing identity from Squires to Knight. So I'd make Knight the canonical (which also works well because the publications under that name are more recent and more plentiful). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:01, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Post-submission display of Contents sections improved ==<br />
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The way Contents sections are displayed on post-submission pages is in the process of being changed. At this point NewPub and AddPub submissions have been upgraded. Their Contents sections now properly display multiple yellow warnings when warranted. They also indicate which submitted author name is new, which one is an alternate name or which one is a disambiguated name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:55, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Filaria ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1258490; A copy was uploaded a few months ago on Archive.org; it revealed that the page count and the price here were wrong, I fixed those and added the link, but the review at Strange Horizons calls this the first book from Chizine and says 2008, as do all copyrights in the book itself. Why it has a late 2009 date here I don't know, and I also don't know why there's such a big gap between the first Chizine book here, January 2009, and the rest of their 2009 books. So real date is needed for this book and probably others from this publisher. Also, while researching this I saw an expired eBay sale for a 100-copy HC, which I believe Chizine did for many of their books, often including extra material, but very few seem to have been entered here, so there's that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Earthman, Come Home ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229485; I noticed a M. Ayme Mayflower edition said Dell on cover and Google Books had it with Mayflower-Dell on copyright page so I fixed that but this isn't on Google. It says Dell on cover, both PV haven't been around for years, but knowing these old paperbacks I hesitate to fix it without someone seeing a copyright page. So if anyone owns this edition can you check and see what it says inside the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:17, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Come Softly, Come Sweetly... ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362038; I added info to the only issue of D. Sutton's British Shadow fanzine, from 1971, that's on ISFDB and Eddy C. Bertin has a story, "Come Softly, Come Sweetly", in it which isn't on ISFDB but his 1971 Dutch collection, linked above, has a title which translates to the English title, just with added words, so any Dutch people who are familiar with his extensive bibliography will probably know which came first and can variant as needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:36, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Mark ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?325553; Does that seem right? It should be other people named Mark Williams, shouldn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Two things: (1) That "Mark (Wills) Williams" is matched up with forms of "Mark" is a bug. I would bet the issue is the "(". The ambiguity matching logic probably isn't paying attention to whether the parenthesized expression is at the end or is embedded in the middle. (2) That "Mark (Wills) Williams" is not matched up with forms of "Mark Williams" is a limitation/feature of the current matching, which doesn't consider names containing middle names (or initials, etc.) to be ambiguous vis-a-vis the same combination of first and last name without any middle name. I don't think we'd want "Mark XYZ Williams" to be shown as ambiguous with "Mark Williams", but I guess I could see showing "Mark Williams" as ambiguous with "Mark ABC Williams" and "Mark XYZ Williams". You'd have to lobby Ahasuerus on that one. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:41, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Good catch. {{Bug|827}}, "'Same name' logic fails for records with embedded parentheses", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:50, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: It should be fixed now. Thanks for reporting the problem.<br />
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::: Re: ''showing "Mark Williams" as ambiguous with "Mark ABC Williams" and "Mark XYZ Williams"'', that's a whole different can of worms. If you do a name search on "John%Smith", you'll get a list of a dozen names, including:<br />
:::* John Claude Smith<br />
:::* John D. Smith<br />
:::* John Hirschhorn-Smith<br />
:::* John Smith<br />
::: First we'd have to decide which ones are considered ambiguous. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:04, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Created By Matheson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8191; The advance reading copy, https://archive.org/details/createdby00math, says 352 pages on the first page, it's actually 344, ISFDB says 324. Anyone own a copy who can verify what the actual page count is? There are also Roman numerals at the front; no editions here have them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:30, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brutarian ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=brutarian&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; Heads up that someone, after uploading 3 random issues years ago, started uploading more issues recently. This was not strictly a genre magazine but included some genre fiction/non-fiction, especially in later issues, some of it by big names. ISFDB only has a few late issues entered; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=brutarian&type=Magazine. I distinctly remember seeing issues on the newsstand at some store in New York City back in the 1990's or maybe a bit later, so it got some distribution, I guess. I got an R. Crumb vibe from it, though, probably due to the type of cover art they used, and didn't really peruse it. Crumb's art always made me nervous for some reason. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:27, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bonus fiction in novels ==<br />
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Why is a 'bonus' short fiction title allowed in a novel, but a serial installment is specifically excluded? There are a number of publications, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714319 example 1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714583 example 2], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714262 example 3], where we're forced to misclassify what is clearly a serial installment. I don't see a downside to lifting the exclusion. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:05, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Because allowing SERIALs in books at all is a relatively new development. It used to be magazines and fanzines only. Then we allowed chapbooks. I think we should allow it in anthologies, novels and collections as well - especially because Magazines reprints are added as anthologies/collections AND because in our digital world, serials are used as bonus almost anywhere. Post over on R&S and we can hash it out and change the rules for serials. One thing to make sure we clearly separate - excerpts vs serials (it is intent that separates them essentially) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:13, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Moonchasers TP ==<br />
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I've done a lot of Ed Gorman edits recently and this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284334, is a problem because the HC is & on the title page but no photos of the TP title page can be found. Does anyone own the TP? I've got a half-dozen edits on hold because mod won't change unless I show that it's & in the TP title, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sword & Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?33789; Some weeks-old edit of mine was finally approved, fixing an artist's name in one of these issues, but now that I look at the series page something's not right. Why do only the last 2 issues have a comma after the issue #? Also, is the # really supposed to be in any of them instead of in the notes? Isn't that magazine policy there? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The title records reflected the individual publication titles since they hadn't been 'rolled up' by year. I took care of that.<br />
: Regarding the comma:<br />
:* The placement of the comma, in a periodical title, controls what is displayed in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?33789 issue grid]. Basically, everything after the first comma appears in the grid except the year as long as it matches the date field. If the year differs, it will also be displayed. Notice how the issue number doesn't appear in the two titles you question.<br />
:* Yes, current policy is to show the issue number in the publication notes. 21:57, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Flashing Swords! Help ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8495; I've just added Archive.org links in (pending) edits to #1 (2 Doubleday), #2 (Mayflower), #3 (2 Dell), #4 (2 1977 Doubleday), and #5 (Doubleday). Now there are some issues. Some people unnecessarily entered the series title in the book title, others didn't; some people entered Roman numerals in the page count, others didn't; some people entered the book title as it appears on the title page, others didn't. Also, #3 doesn't have the Doubleday book club edition entered; #'s 1, 2, and 4 have the book club dates as earlier than the Dell PB dates but #5 has both as the same date, so it's possible that the story dates for #3 are wrong because the book club edition was probably published earlier. There are many PV for all volumes so if any of them would like to add/fix anything it would help. EDIT: The only thing I fixed was importing Carter's essay in #1, "A Last Word", to the Doubleday edition; it was only entered here in the Dell edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Backward(s) ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?93690; I just stumbled across a copy of Mitchell's Crystal Man which was uploaded in June of 2022 so I added a link and the missing page numbers to the many stories included in that book, but I noticed 1 story, "The Clock That Went Backwards", is actually "Backward". According to ISFDB the only instances of the singular title are the original, uncredited appearance in a newspaper and reprints in various books starting in 2013. So when my edit is approved that story needs merging with the singular or removing/adding the singular or whatever needs doing; the question now is if it really was the plural in the many books it appeared in between the above collection in 1973 and 2013. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks, Pwendt. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:23, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Secret Asia's Blackest Heart ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?855765; Something in the recent edits accidentally led me to this and some of those titles are already on ISFDB, specifically the Webb which was published in 2014 as "U-PAO. The Black Sutra", the Blackmore which is in 3 separate books on ISFDB starting in 2007, not 2009, and the Carter/Cornford story which is under the same title in 3 merged publications but its appearance in this book wasn't merged even though the editor did at least date it correctly as 1997. Person who entered it hasn't responded to anything for a long time so if anyone owns a copy a lot of re-dating/re-titling/merging is probably in order. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:21, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Borgo Question ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5592414; One of those annoying situations where they include both editions but don't specify which it is. Was it Borgo's style to print the correct barcode in red as it appears on the back cover in the Archive.org copy or is that totally unrelated and somebody just felt like coloring it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:40, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== O.J.'s Nightmare ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1706087; Willem and Bob PV separate editions, pretty sure it should be David, also could be related to other artists named Bowers, first name starts with D, here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Maelstrom ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5593175; A challenge to anyone who can find a bigger cover image and replace mine. This anthology has been on ISFDB for years and there are a few online mentions of it including Locus where the contents came from but, as can be seen in the notes, it seems to have either been barely published or not at all. While on an archived author's site I was trying to get info from there was an image in her bibliography of this book so I uploaded the .jpg, but it was very tiny and after blowing it up as big as allowable here the author names are illegible. The title and cover art still come through nicely, though. Maybe someone here actually owns a copy (HA!)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:56, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Further Adventures of Batman Printing Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34733; https://archive.org/details/furtheradventure00gree; There's a bit of confusion here. The original printing was July, PV Vasha77 did the 2nd printing but made an error by entering the month based on an ad on the last page which says 10/87 when the book was obviously published in '89, Archive copy above is a 3rd printing not on ISFDB with that same ad but 2 pages before it is an ad for G.R.R. Martin's Wild Cards with 7/89 on it. So since PV is gone and it was transient anyway I suggest we change month of 2nd to July also and then enter the 3rd with that month, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:38, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Goldstrom ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25621; My edit making R. Goldstrom an alternate of Robert was just approved but I see there's 2 separate credits for Skeleton-in-Waiting. I think they need merging or something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:23, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Merged, as you correctly pointed out. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:05, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Davis Grubb Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5783; I've done a few edits for his rare 1978 collection Siege of 318 and recently stumbled on the fact that the title story was a retitled reprint of "Cry Havoc", which is why both have a 1976 date here. I've made a variant but I am suspicious that "The Idiots" from the 1976 horror anthology Frights and "The Idiot" are the same, too. Does anyone own a copy who can compare the 2 stories? Frights has an Archive.org link so story is readable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:12, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Content sections of Clone/Import/Export upgraded ==<br />
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The Content sections of Clone/Import/Export Publication post-submission pages have been upgraded. Rows can now display multiple yellow warnings per row. Yellow warnings are now more specific, telling you which authors they refer to. Auto-merge rows no longer warn you about disambiguated/alternate author/artist names. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:44, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Changing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36975; I added LCCN ID and noticed 244 pages which is a lot different than 320. No online copies I can see so if anyone owns this can you check page count and fix if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Derek Neville ==<br />
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https://kylerader.net/2014/12/30/ghost-box-a-discussion-with-author-derek-neville/; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161858; I suspected the short story was not by the old Neville; there's a guy with the same name who self-published Ghost Box, which isn't on ISFDB but should be, but the only mentions of that name and the short story's title are our site and this, https://kristipetersenschoonover.com/2015/01/12/shitty-almonds-now-available-in-bugs-teaser-toc-here/. So story author should probably get a (I) after their name or something to differ them but unsure whether the same Neville wrote Ghost Box, although it seems likely. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?359885 Done]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:57, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Needs space after 1st period of artist to make it the same as artist already on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Looks like that was handled as I can't see what you mean. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:41, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Scifibones fixed it today. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== 1995 SPGA Showcase ==<br />
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http://www.locusmag.com/index/t742.htm#A37177; The Goldman story has the right original date on ISFDB but no mention of where it came from so I entered the info that it originally came from this anthology; the Everson story has the wrong date (2007), a different title ("Warming the Women"), and no mention of where it came from, so I added where it came from but didn't change date or title because it may have the same title in the anthology and should be merged or it really is different in which case it would be a variant; the Jacob story already has a note here about where it first came from. The Danley work being a story is suspicious because all his works (as Robert C. Danley) on ISFDB are poems; it's also weird that Locus listed all the poems after the stories instead of listing everything in order. So on the very slim chance that anyone owns the anthology some fixes would probably be needed after entering it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:27, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938058 that anthology here]. If it turns out the Danley work is actually a poem, we can easily change it. In the meantime, it's listed now. I also varianted the Everson story. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:37, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Phantom Fango Edit ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5595657; I'm confused about something. I haven't looked at any Fangoria issues for a long time, while doing Drake Douglas edits I noticed he had 1 review for a book by himself, I knew he probably wouldn't review his own book and found it was just an entry mistake and it was actually Stanley Wiater, who did the other reviews in that issue; I asked PV about it and they responded but didn't indicate they were going to fix it themselves, but now I see that it was changed to the correct reviewer but I don't see where that was done by anyone in the review record or issue record. Am I missing something? I assume I can just cancel my edit now, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:43, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Look at the last edit to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?841501 publication] containing the review. Yes, go ahead and cancel your submission. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:11, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Anthony Izzo Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597760; I'm not sure what's going on here. I thought this novel was not on ISFDB because the title was not in the author's record but after entering a new record the ISBN is a duplicate of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99881. Izzo mentions the title change here, https://www.anthonyizzo.com/post/author-anthony-izzo-s-latest-thriller-novel. So the existing record seems to have been entered from pre-release info on Amazon, maybe, before the title was changed. So what's to be done? Delete Unforgiven? It has a "P" cover image, wrong format, old ISBN-10 instead of ISBN-13 for a 2007 book, etc. (also see my note in Evil Harvest about confusion with ISBN-13, too). Or leave it and make the 2 titles alternates? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:06, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Evil Harvest edit was just approved; still awaiting reply on what should be done here. Anyone? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Beehive Book Award ==<br />
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The [http://www.claubeehive.org/about-the-beehive-book-awards.html Beehive Book Award] given out by the Children's Literature Association of Utah in the following categories:<br />
*Children's Fiction (chapter books)<br />
*Picture Books<br />
*Informational Books<br />
*Poetry<br />
*Graphic Novels<br />
*Young Adult Fiction<br />
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The books nominated and awarded are not limited to those by Utahns, though. It's voted on by children in the state of Utah from a list of nominees submitted by volunteers. It covers more than just speculative fiction works, but there are quite a few speculative fiction authors whose works have been nominated and/or won over the years. See the lists [http://www.claubeehive.org/past-winners--nominees.html here]. I'll be happy to populate the award if it's added. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:54, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see all the usual suspects: Le Guin, Lloyd Alexander, Jane Yolen, Ursula Vernon, Brandon Mull, etc. Looks legitimate to me. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:31, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?102 Done.] Sorry, I forgot all about it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:47, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Roofworld Arrow Edition ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1282; In tribute to Christopher Fowler, who just died, I started to add as much info as I could to his books and almost immediately ran into trouble. I added an Archive.org link to the original Ballantine edition but there's also an Arrow edition; however, there's 2 records here with one being entered in the very early days of this site and PV by a long-gone person while the other is much more fleshed out but not PV. Which should be kept and given the link? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:21, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:They look like they are probably duplicates of each other. Anyone else have any different thoughts? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:51, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The "September 1989" pub was verified against the [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b177.htm#A2341 Locus Index], which says:<br />
::* Roofworld (Legend 0-09-962340-4, Sep ’89 [Aug ’89], £3.99, 396pp, pb) Reprint (Ballantine/Legend 1988) sf novel.<br />
:: It would appear that "September 1989" comes from Locus. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== What The F ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=fer+ward&type=Name; Unusual situation here where one would assume the second name is wrong but that's actually her name; the first name only has 1 credit and searching Amazon Look Inside it does say Jennifer on contents page but typing Jenniffer gets 1 hit, so possibly it's spelled correctly at the head of the story in case anyone who has an Amazon account can verify and fix/variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:04, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?553261 ''Dreamless''], it's "Jenniffer Wardell" on the cover, on the copyright page and on the title page. The "Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data" section says that she was born in 1981. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:30, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::A full view on Amazon inside the book in which her name was entered here as Jennifer is needed because her real name per online info is Jenniffer and while contents page of that book says Jennifer a search inside gets a hit for Jenniffer, so I don't want a false variant name created (there's already way too many of those here) if it really should just have an "f" added to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:53, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Searching the Amazon Look Inside for {{P|577626|100 Worlds}} shows that the "Object Lesson" title page uses "Jennifer Wardell". The "About the Author" does list her as "Jenniffer", but we enter per the title page. I have created an alternate name and varianted the story. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:10, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baen vs. Baen Books ==<br />
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We have separate publisher listings for Baen and Baen Books. The top of both these records has "Do NOT merge this with [other version], there are two completely different timeframes and three different logos". However,<br />
*{{Pubr|38|Baen}} has books from 1984 - 2023<br />
*{{Pubr|55837|Baen Books}} has books from 1985 - 1992, 1995 - 1996, 2004 - 2006, 2022 - 2023<br />
So we are not separating them out as per the note. I don't see the need to have separate versions as we already normalize minor changes in publisher names and that information can easily be handled in a note. However, if we are going to have separate versions, then the time ranges should be added to the notes and the relevant books updated appropriately. The editor who added the note is no longer active so cannot ask them about it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:22, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: I would draw a parallel to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?37 Ace Books], with multiple addresses and ownership detailed in a separate ISFDB [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Publisher:Ace wiki page]. I also see no reason beyond whether they care credited differently in the books (Baen vs. Baen Books) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 13:00, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: A couple of thoughts. First, spot-checking some recently published Baen books, I see that they apparently use "Baen Books" and "Baen" interchangeable. For example, the copyright page of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929303 ''Dead Man Walking''], which was published on 2023-02-07, says:<br />
::* A Baen Book<br />
::* Baen Publishing Enterprises<br />
::* First Baen Printing<br />
::* Electronic version by Baen Books<br />
:: The copyright page of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?931957 ''What Price Victory?''], which was published on the same day, says:<br />
::* A Baen Books Original<br />
::* Baen Publishing Enterprises<br />
::* Electronic version by Baen Books<br />
:: Note the use of "A Baen Book" in the first case and "A Baen Books Original" in the second case. The lack of the word "Original" in ''Dead Man Walking'' is due to the fact that it's a US reprint of a UK book, but otherwise "Baen" and "Baen Books" are used interchangeably.<br />
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:: Second, in an ideal world, we would capture two separate values: "publisher name as stated in the publication" and "canonical name of the publisher"; it would be similar to the way we treat variant titles and canonical names. Since we don't have this functionality implemented, I think it would be best to merge the two publisher records. Updating Notes would be nice, but, given the mixed use of the two names (as seen above), it may be more hassle that it's worth. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:43, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::What does it state on the title page, though? We generally go with that over what it states on the copyright page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:31, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Unfortunately, Amazon.com's Look Inside tends to use e-books' data for paper editions and e-books don't always have clearly defined title pages. I have many older Baen books in my paper collection, but nothing recent, so I can't check. For what it's worth, Look Inside shows that the two pubs linked above do not mentions the publisher in the "title page" sections. The sections immediately below them say "BAEN BOOKS by [author name]: [list of titles]", but that doesn't clarify things. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:13, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::All of the recent ones I have just have the Baen logo at the bottom of the title page, so I'd go with "Baen". ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:35, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Post-submission pages for AddPub and ClonePub submissions tweaked ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for AddPub and ClonePub submissions have been adjusted to display more information about the title record that the new publication will be merged with. The "auto-merge" line now displays the same title information, including variant/translation data, that is displayed in the Contents sections of Publication pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:19, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dash or 00 ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Dark_Carnival_Date; Re: this discussion, do any experts here know of a way to automatically change all LCCN entered on this site, pre-whatever the date was when they changed from using a dash to zeros, from zeros to dash? I just enter them as they are on their site but, even though it makes no real difference because links lead to the records whether they have dashes or zeros, it would be better, I suppose, to have them as they appear in the books. Now all this is assuming that all pre-change LCCN had dashes and all post-change LCCN have zeroes, which I'm sure isn't true, but anyway I thought I'd ask. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Vuk ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kostic&type=Name; Vuk Kostic and Vukkostic are the same, I assume, 1 says Serbian and the other English, in case anyone wants to decide which should be the parent and which the variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:51, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Day Khrus(h)chev Panicked ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1618562; Did some edits a long time ago, came across it again today and added cover images and LCCN ID to both HC, Brits spelled name in title without a middle H, Yanks with a middle H. I fixed that for Cassell (title page seen on Cracabond Books, a site I don't think I've ever heard of before), Random House title page on Google confirms the middle H, Macfadden in Google Images confirms the middle H, if Digit title page can be seen then we'll know all and main title can be changed and American editions' title can be a variant (there's also a UK Ensign edition on AbeBooks without the middle H on the cover, so I think it's safe to say American H, British no H). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:03, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stained-Glass World ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?232309; I added a bunch of Kenneth Bulmer edits yesterday, and this, the last one, was just adding an Archive.org link, but then I noticed the month doesn't match the one in the note. I asked RTrace since I saw his name at the top of the edit history but he was no help, and of the PV the first guy's dead, the next 3 are gone (probably), and the last guy is still around but doesn't seem interested much in this site these days, so maybe Glenn is the only one who may respond helpfully; why is the month, which does say July in the book, April on this site? Fix needed IMO. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== AddPub/NewPub/ClonePub post-submission pages enhanced ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for AddPub/NewPub/ClonePub submissions have been enhanced.<br />
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AddPub/ClonePubs pages now display a yellow warning if the title type of the associated title record has been changed since the submission was created. The "Title Data" section of NewPub/AddPub pages has been standardized to use the same fields, field names and field order as EditTitles' post-submission pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:08, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Disambiguated author" yellow warnings upgraded ==<br />
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Post-submission yellow warnings for disambiguated authors have been upgraded. They now use the same algorithm as "There are other authors with the same name" displayed at the top of Summary pages.<br />
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This means that "A" will no longer be erroneously reported as a disambiguated name based on the existence of "A (W) Hendry". It also means that "Stephen King (I)" or "G. S. (artist)" will generate yellow warnings informing the reviewing moderator that they are disambiguated names. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:00, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Moderation Request == <br />
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Hello,<br />
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with around 10.000 changes to ISFDB since 2013 and also lots of source-code contributions I did really a lot for ISFDB and very seldom my edits have been rejected. As nowadays it takes extremely long to moderate submissions I'd like to have Self-Approver state. Hopefully that also leads to me adding a lot of my own books which I skipped until now.<br />
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As is probably known I'm not 100% happy with the way ISFDB works but adhere to the given rules. Thus I'll not use any additional rights I get to do more than now, but restrict my Self-Approver privilege to situations which I think consensus exists (misjudgment in individual cases included :-). For changes which could be troublesome I'd leave these submissions for other moderators to review (I assume that's still possible?).<br />
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--[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 07:33, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Hi, Dirk! Alas, I do have some reservation about that privilege: while you did quite a lot of valuable source-code contributions, I have the feeling that many (if not all) of your publication additions to the database lack the quality we usually try to achieve, especially in sourcing the data (that is: giving the sources for the date of publication and the art credit; I personally think that also statements for the edition - first [language, tp, pb, hc, ...] would be welcome). <br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938811 Here] is a quite recent example (this one also has a seemingly wrong format, since the vast majority of publications by this publisher with the same format are defined as pb). Many of your added / verified publications have stub notes or none at all, like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430657 this one]. (Also, many verified pub.s have missing or erroneous publication series, like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?807320 this] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?729179 this], the first example being again a stub record). <br />
:On the whole, most seem somewhat hastily added, and I'd like to see some more quality in added and especially PV'd publications. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:42, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Yes. I usually only add the minimum amount, because it's simply to much hassle to get it correct with a turnaround of multiple days for a change. It takes weeks to enter a single book correctly, especially as there is no preview feature yet and I have to redo everything when I make an error. Thus I only add the information which is required and important, nothing else. I certainly don't add all the information which it seems you find is necessary in the notes, but I add all the relevant information and I don't add wrong information. In the examples you showed there is no error: The example books you choose are tp and not pb. The publication series for Bastei is still a somewhat strange thing and not really visible in the books. The older books I added thus wont have them right simply because this "right" changed over the years. For new entries I try to follow whatever seems currently used in ISFDB. P.S. As already said multiple times - ISFDB has a large amount of errors in non-verified and verified publications (also errors which have been introduced to my verified books which have been correct when I entered the information). When the threshold to participate is too high that also wont change. I tried to help fix the software for this but the attempt didn't work out. I see that a small part of my ideas have be implemented in the last years, but nothing game-changing. Maybe to give you a note what I actually talk about: I own ~2300 SF and F books, 825 of these I verified in ISDFB, 787 more exist in ISFDB often with missing information or missing the exact copy I have. 685 are missing totally. I simply did not add them yet and instead do my own database. BTW Some errors also come from different moderators of the time: One moderator forced me to do one thing, the next exactly the opposite. And I always complied even if it did not make sense. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:28, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: '''Comment''': I haven't done much work on the submission queue lately, so I'll abstain. To answer the question raised in the last sentence, if a self-approver leaves a submission in the queue, it can be reviewed and approved/rejected by a moderator. However, submissions by self-approvers are color-coded and moderators tend to leave them alone because the presumption is that the self-approver is taking a break and will be back later. Of course, a self-approver can create a submission, leave it in the queue and then ask about it on the Moderator Noticeboard. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:52, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Maybe there should be a flag "please review" to turn off the color code? I actually appreciate in other environments when you have the chance to let somebody else review your stuff even when you yourself could approve it. For the easy cases you approve directly wheres for others you seek per-review. It's a concept which I e.g. are very happy with in software update submissions for openSUSE Linux distribution. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:33, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fixed Story Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Great_Disciple; Maybe I'm not being clear or something, but I'm not getting the answer I'm looking for so maybe someone else can help me. I did a bunch of edits for Bruce Publishing books and this one required more work, using the copy on Google Books, because story titles, I assume taken from Locus, were wrong in 6 cases (and 1 was missing entirely), from missing articles to completely wrong. I fixed them but now that it's been approved the 6 parent stories still have the wrong titles. That can't be right, most of the author's obscure religious stories didn't appear in any genre works and the 2 that did had the right titles (although 1 of them, "The Hound of Cullen", isn't in this collection so now I'm suspicious because it has a 1951 date on ISFDB but appeared in F&SF in 1953, so I wonder if the missing story I entered, "The End of Coo-Cullen", is that story retitled) so there's no variant, so how can I get both author names to show the correct titles? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:You would have received the answer you were looking for had you told the reviewer; "The titles were only published under an alternate name so there is no reason the canonical name titles should differ." To correct, simply edit the canonical name titles and make the same corrections. However, I question whether [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?106837 William Bernard Ready] should even be the canonical name. I don't see a single title published using that name. I would make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13494 W. B. Ready] the canonical name with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?101925 William Ready] an alternate. This would obviate the need for the above edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:39, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Which Henry Holt? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601242; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601243; This is the 2nd time recently that this moderator has rejected edit(s) of mine while telling me to ask PV first when I clearly did that in both cases. This one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597731, was asked about here, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Swfritter#A_Month_of_Mystery, but I just decided to cancel it because trying to fix the countless verified editions of books that are clearly book club editions but not identified as such by the PV is too much for me to handle so I've decided to not do those kinds of edits anymore, but as for the 2 edits at the top of this message there's no reason for them to be rejected because as I explained here, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rosab618#Henry_Holt, this publisher on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?60311, only has a few entries including those 1990's books entered recently by the same PV, while this publisher, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?86, has almost all their books including pretty much everything published between 1986 and 2023, as is clearly explained in the note at the top of the page where it says they reverted back to that name in 1986. The 2 PV books say Henry Holt and Company on the title page so if we're going by what they actually say it wouldn't match any publisher currently on ISFDB. Standardization, right? Isn't that what mods are always saying, don't enter multiple publisher names? I think those 2 should be un-rejected. If not, I'd hate to see how many of the hundreds of "Henry Holt" books currently on ISFDB would need to be changed to "Henry Holt and Company". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:48, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:You're mischaracterizing this a bit. In both cases, you submitted the edit before receiving a response from the primary verifier. Changing the name of the publisher is a major change to a publication record and should not be done without the prior assent of all active verifiers. Worse, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597731 this submission] would have replaced the record for the trade edition with one for a book club edition, effectively deleting the record for the trade edition from the database. I explained this in the rejection note, and again when you [[User talk:Rtrace#MoM|objected]] on my talk page and I am explaining it for a third time here. I also explained in all these places that you need to get a response from the verifiers before submitting the original edit. Now, whether a title page stating "Henry Holt and Company" should be reflected as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?86 Henry Holt], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?60311 Henry Holt & Co.] or a new publisher is an open question. However, it is still necessary to have a dialog with the verifiers before changing those records. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:58, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== FOCUS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?37441; I believe we have 4 separate publishers here: A German one, a British one (reprint of HC de la Mare book), an imprint based in Massachusetts who did Shakespeare, and a kid's book which maybe should have a different publisher, Tyndale, because it says "Focus on the Family" on the cover so Focus is more likely to be a series. In case anyone cares to differ them in some way. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon UK ==<br />
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In this case, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312797, is it OK to replace the price and enter a link to this, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL22560761M/The_monsterologist, since there's no UK price and editor just entered the price from Amazon? This happens a lot. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:20, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== For those interested in Lovecraft and Winnie the Pooh ==<br />
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I ran across [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hemelein/the-horror-at-pooh-corner this Kickstarter] which combines the two. The anthology won't be out for about a year, but it's something to look forward to (I backed it). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:24, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== R. Dickerson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=dickers&type=Name; Russell has many interviews, Russ has 1 which has an alternate because of a language note or something. So 1 of those should be a variant of Russell. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:47, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Karloff the Editor ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35824; A copy of Avon was just uploaded on Archive.org so I added a link, also added C to the price for the other (Canadian) Avon, added the month to the regular title since Avon was first edition, added other countries' prices to Corgi from back cover seen on FantLab, but most significantly added introduction to Souvenir based on photo on FantLab. It's not in Avon so it seems they added it for British editions; however, the only evidence here is in that Portugal edition where it says Introdução. So when my edits are approved that probably should be made a variant of Introduction and if anyone owns the British paperbacks the introduction is probably in those, too, and should be imported. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:16, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== De Grote Horror Omnibus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?175406; Just uploaded is this, https://archive.org/search?query=grote-horror, which seems to be a German edition of the Signet omnibus, in case any German/German-fluent person wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:28, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== C. Anderson ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=contains&TERM_1=craig&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=anderson&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author]; I added OL ID to Science Fiction Films of the Seventies some time ago and today came across it again and added Archive.org link; I noticed cover artist might be the same as the author and there's another similar name, all linked above, in case anyone knows if they're all the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Maureen F. McHugh's The Cost to Be Wise - novelette or novella? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?59780 This] is categorized as a novelette, but it was nominated for 3 different awards in the novella category. If I look at the page counts in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347490 The Mammoth Book of Best Short SF Novels], it shows as 45 pages, which is the same as the following story - Greg Egan's Oceanic - which is categorized as a novella. (The rest of those "short novels" are all categorized as novellas, but they have longer page counts.) Google search results for 'mchugh "the cost to be wise"' followed by "novella" or "novelette" also indicate it is considered to be the former.<br />
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There are over a dozen verified pubs containing this story (which distill down to the 1996 Starlight anthology it appeared in, the 1997 Dozois Year's Best, a 2005 author collection, a Lightspeed mag special issue, and the aforementioned Dozois "short novel" anthology), so I'm wary of changing the type without some sort of discussion or second opinion. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:42, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I happen to have one of the anthologies as an ebook. After converting it to TXT and removing the other stories, the table of contents, etc, I see that the text contains 19,500 words if you count the title. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:45, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. If there are no dissenting voices here, I propose to make the novelette->novella switch in a couple of days. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:11, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: With a confirmed length, noone can object :) Add a note on the approximate length and change it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:02, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Just to close this off, the switch to novella has now been done. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:31, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derleth's Sleeping ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606597; Almost missed this rare one uploaded on Archive.org because they're doing something weird where the upload date is different than the added date which is causing a lot of confusion; anyway, PV is a bit...testy judging by my last contact with them, so I'm dry-running this here before letting them know of my changes. Does anyone see anything wrong with my edit? Title as it is on title page, spurious subtitle moved to notes, FantLab ID because it shows cover that coverless copy doesn't, etc. Also, I checked the Four Square abridgement on Dalby's site and it says "AND", not "&", on title page, so variants needed? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33526; I see I added copy link and FantLab ID recently but now I've added LCCN ID, while noticing intro is dated with signed date instead of book date, something I've seen many times before, probably done by a specific editor who thought that's how it was supposed to be, so if it's not right one of the PV should fix the date. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606943; More title fixing; PB edition was recently uploaded so I made an edit adding link for that and title is "AND", not "&", on title page, so more variants needed? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== EditPub yellow warnings upgraded ==<br />
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All yellow warnings displayed in New Cover Art, New Regular Titles, New Reviews and New Interviews tables within the "Content" section of EditPub post-submission pages have been upgraded. They now use the same enhanced functionality already available on other post-submission pages.<br />
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At this point the only tables still using the old functionality and table layout are the 4 "Modified Cover/Regular Titles/Reviews/Interviews" tables in EditPub. As always, if you come across anything unexpected or erroneous, please post your findings here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:37, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: There was a flaw in the last patch. The 4 "New" tables no longer display a yellow warning if the publication date hasn't been changed and the new title date is after the publication date. I am working on a fix. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:39, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: It should be fixed now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:06, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: When you get a moment, please take a look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5607440 this submission]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:07, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for reporting the problem. It happens when magazine pubs are cloned. Working on it... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:53, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It should be fixed now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:44, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hauck ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hauck; I came across this, https://archive.org/search?query=%22compagnie+des+fees%22, and since many of these foreign editions have page counts off by a page or two on ISFDB because of unnumbered final page(s) I checked this one; page count was correct but the note about names on back cover was not. Heading off to ask the editor who entered the book I see that he's totally done with this site judging by the big red message on his board. So does anyone else own a copy? I think I'll do an advanced search and see what other books they PV; since they're not going to answer any questions maybe I can improve things a bit myself, add some links, etc. I'm sure some people here know what went wrong, so if anyone would like to give any details I'd be curious to know what caused Hauck to leave. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:23, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [[User:Hauck]] left the project in June 2018 after [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hauck/Archive16#Award_for_Paradiso this discussion]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:00, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Wow. The comparisons to Nazi Germany may have been a bit much. I asked because he responded to 3 messages from 2 editors last June to tell them not to bother because he's un-verifying his PV's. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:11, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::"'''the note about names on back cover was not'''", perhaps should yo try a bit harder... ([https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/f/fe/Lcddf.jpg]). {{unsigned|Hauck}}<br />
::::I think you meant "you should", not "should yo". If you look at the back cover of the Archive.org copy you'll see no names, so it's likely tight framing on the right side that cut them off rather than it being some variant without the names. Also, I put brackets around your image link because the giant image was taking too much space. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Skeleton Crew Editions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?36904; There is the original hardcover at the top and at the bottom there's another by Putnam (should probably be G. P. Putnam's Sons like the original) which says it's from the Stephen King Library. The PV of that edition, AnimeBill, entered it in the very early days here and has been gone for many years, so no use asking them about this, https://archive.org/details/skeletoncrew0000unse. I thought it might be PV edition but now I'm thinking it may actually be a book club edition of the original since there's no number line. Is anyone here familiar with these editions who knows if there's some way to identify which edition the Archive.org copy is so it can be entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:21, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawn of the Dead ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5609977; I recently added the original Sphere edition with no A. in author's name but looking further I see it wasn't there in the original, either. Also, the price was wrong, and the title date is 4 months earlier than the book date while Open Library says December. I thought I had trouble fixing all the later editions some time ago but this is ridiculous. So let's try to find out which, if any, editions use A. on the title page and what the real month of publication was so that can be fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:34, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== H(elmut) Wenske ==<br />
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FantLab has a page for this artist and they say he did cover art for Night Chills, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23919, but besides a Flickr page nobody else credits him online and there's no credit in the book or signature on the cover that I can see. Another 1975 Avon book, Harvest of Fear, does have a Wenske cover which is a variant of an older cover for something else, so either FantLab confused the 2 books or the Night Chills cover is another variant of some older cover. Anyone recognize it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:41, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New Infinities ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=new+inf&type=Publisher; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611320; One of the few from this publisher with no PV, I changed publisher to what it says in the book, this was discussed long ago but I think now would be a good time to decide on standard names, there are some books published just by New Infinities with BSM on cover (Berkley), who were just the distributor, while later ones have the Ace symbol on the cover and they're also mentioned on the copyright page. So, assuming all books say New Infinities Productions on title page and not just New Infinities, I think older ones should be New Infinities Productions (like the 3 Swycaffer books already are) and later ones should be New Infinities Productions / Ace. What do you think? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611351; Some of their books didn't even have the publisher on the title page. Also, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sea-Death-G-Gygax/dp/044175676X, which has some ID number on the upper left; British edition or something else? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) '''11:08 and 11:28''', 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== SFE-hosted images at /nicholls/ ===<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611356; Is it possible to get "nicholls" images supported at SFE? Peter Nicholls passed away a few years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) '''11:33''', 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It's my understanding that the reason that SFE-hosted images are stored in different subdirectories like "nicholls" is that they were donated to SFE with different stipulations and caveats attached. Some of the stipulations may persist after the death of the person after whom the subdirectory was originally named. Last time I checked with the SF administrator, which was just a month or two ago, "nicholls"-hosted images were still off-limits. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:21, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Link for uploading author picture ==<br />
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Publications have a handy link that allows uploading of a new cover image. Can we have one of those for people, too, and have it preload the fair use author image template? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:33, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I can't think of a reason not to add one. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:41, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Contents Question ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5613311; Should those 2 collection titles in the contents be removed after approval? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:18, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No, they belong. Pipes will be needed to ensure they remain in the proper positions. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:24, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Oops. Sorry, pipes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Chapbook: Non-genre, juvenile, etc ==<br />
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Replying to my userspace inquiry last fortnight, Rtrace observed that the Non-Genre flag for CHAPBOOK title records has an important function governing layout. All chapbooks flagged "Non-Genre" are listed below the line at the bottom of an author's Summary Bibliography. Juvenile, Novelization, and Graphic Format probably have no such function.<br />
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There is a cleanup report "CHAPBOOK/SHORTFICTION Juvenile Flag Mismatches", maintained at length near zero; by inference I have flagged a few chapbooks Juvenile, and probably missed a few. This feels like a good time to ask about all four flags {Non-Genre, Juvenile, Novelization, Graphic Format}. Should all four be aligned for chapbook and its shortfiction content? And, anyway, does the guideline do what we think it should?<br />
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Advanced Title Search shows that we do not currently set chapbook length. We have more than 100 chapbooks, but less than 200, for each of Non-Genre, Novelization, Graphic. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:30, 18 March 2023 (EDT)</div>
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== Front page performance and future changes ==<br />
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The way the ISFDB software generates the front page has been modified. In the past, the list of 20 publications to display was regenerated every time the page was displayed. Post-change the list is built once a day as part of the nightly process which regenerates cleanup reports. (If the nightly process doesn't run for some reason, the software will generate the list the old way.)<br />
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The immediate impact is that the page will load slightly faster, although the improvement will be marginal. Going forward, it means that we can make the process of selecting publications more sophisticated without affecting front page performance. For example, we should be able to display only one publication per author. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:40, 1 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: What happens if a title on the page gets re-dated during a day it is on the list? Books get delayed or better information (different jurisdiction or source which was incorrect) can cause a book publication date to change - especially on the pre-release records? Generating a few extra titles and ordering by date at display time (or something like that) may solve that issue nicely. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:49, 1 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: That's exactly what the new nightly process does. It selects 30 publications and stores them in a separate locations. The front page software uses that list of 30 pubs to build a list of 20 pubs which still meet the requirements. If the new list has less than 20 pubs, the software decides that something must have gone wrong with the nightly process and rebuilds the list from the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:38, 1 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: And didn’t we actually have 22 books on that list before? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:49, 1 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: The old code had the value of the "MaxBooks" variable set to 21. I thought it was rounded down to 20 due to the displaying 2 books per HTML table row, but it looks like you are right and the algorithm rounded it up to 22. The new code uses "20" without rounding. We can easily change "20" to "22" if desired. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:38, 1 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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=== Proposed Changes Going Forward ===<br />
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Now that the process of building the list of pubs displayed on the front page has been moved to the nightly job, we can fine-tune it without adversely affecting front page performance.<br />
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The first idea, which was briefly discussed a few weeks ago, is to allow only one publication per author. That way if a publisher reprints multiple books by a popular author and they all come out on the same day, only one will appear on the front page.<br />
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I think this would be an improvement, but there is a caveat. Suppose Book 2 in a series comes out in hardcover and the publisher makes Book 1 available in paperback on the same day. If we implement the proposed enhancement, our software will display only one of the books, semi-randomly picking Book 1 or Book 2 even though we would prefer Book 2 to be displayed because it's a new book and not a reprint.<br />
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There are two ways we could address this issue. The first one would be to institute a "no reprints on the front page" rule. The second one would be to check the date of each pub's ''reference title'' and display the pub with the latest date for each author.<br />
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Which one would be a better choice? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:44, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I prefer the second option. We want some reprints I think. Plus we have the pesky problem of translations - if the new book is in German but has a new title and the old translation, for us it is a new title but in reality it is a reprint. Same applies for any renamed book (even if the book just gets & swapped for "and" or something as trivial). And sometimes what looks like a reprint (because there is an earlier book in the publications list) is actually the first publication - due to early (or misdated) translation or early audio version (although technically this is a publication after all) or a book that never made it out but was never cleaned from the list and so on. Unless you make a manual process, reprints will always trickle in. So we may as well just suppress them a bit when they compete with another title. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:55, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Sounds good. {{FR|1542}}, "Limit the front page to one pub per author", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:25, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Done. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:13, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantastic Fiction URLs updated ==<br />
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All Fantastic Fiction URLs which used HTTP have been updated to use HTTPS. If you come across any issues, please post them here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:49, 3 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Series deletion -- submission review page updated ==<br />
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The submission review page for Series Deletion submissions has been updated. The only change is the addition of a link to the about-to-be-deleted series record and slightly fancier formatting. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publication deletion -- submission review page updated ==<br />
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The submission review page for Publication Deletion submissions has been updated. A few links have been added. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Pratchett's The Unadulterated Cat: The Amazing Maurice Edition ==<br />
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Are there any followers of Terry Pratchett who can help me work out what this upcoming UK pub is, in terms of content? [https://www.gollancz.co.uk/titles/terry-pratchett/the-unadulterated-cat/9781399608688/ Publisher's listing]; [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Unadulterated-Cat-Amazing-Maurice/dp/1399608681 Amazon UK]; [https://www.waterstones.com/book/9781399608688 Waterstones]. As far as I can work out, it's a new edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8776 a non-genre novel], but with artwork/imagery from the film adaptation of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22285 an otherwise unrelated Discworld novel]? Searching on Twitter and Google didn't throw up anything that provided any further enlightenment... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:35, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: TVTropes [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheUnadulteratedCat says]:<br />
:* [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DolledUpInstallment Dolled-Up Installment]: Republished in 2022 with [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/TheAmazingMaurice the animated version of the Amazing Maurice] on the cover, and the word "Cat" clawed out of the title and replaced with "Maurice" in a much bigger font.<br />
: Also, I am not sure I would call this book a novel. I skimmed it a couple of decades ago and, IIRC, it's a humorous "treatise" on the nature of cats. TVTropes calls it "nonfiction(ish) book". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:53, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks, I'll add it over the weekend. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:17, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Title deletion -- submission review page updated ==<br />
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The submission review page for Title Deletion submissions has been updated. A couple of links have been added. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:46, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== "Cannonical" ==<br />
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Hi, mods. I just wanted to bring to your attention that after adding an alternate name and it says, "View Cannonical Name" and "View Alternate Name," "canonical" is misspelled. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 01:55, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Fixed. Thanks for identifying the problem! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:37, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== DMCA for The Alchemy of Reality ==<br />
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There have been a number of attempts in the past to remove ''The Alchemy of Reality'' (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?554754). The author has resorted to a DMCA takedown with our hosting provider. Since failure to address a DMCA can be a cause for loss of hosting, I am going to delete as much of Andy Echevarria's bibliography as makes sense. (He has works in other magazines and anthologies, which can remain) --[[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 14:13, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: The story "Doppelganger", https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2303407, actually appeared years earlier in Aphelion, http://www.aphelion-webzine.com/shorts/2008/04/Doppelganger.html, but the author had it removed. Is this person known for doing this kind of thing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:44, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: That's interesting background, which requires a strategy for what to do if the author files another DMCA takedown to remove their stories from in-print publications. One method would be to change their canonical name to ''LEGALLY REDACTED AUTHOR #1'', which would allow the title to remain present in the table of contents, but would separate the author's name from the story title (although nothing would stop us from listing those redacted authors on a Wiki page). We also don't currently have a mechanism in place to prevent the addition of new content for ... problematic authors. For now I have put a note on the author's page instructing that no additional solo content should be added to the bibliography.--[[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 14:58, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: I am looking at the [http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf US government's explanation of what DMCA does] (PDF file) and, as far as I can tell, DMCA prevents unauthorized distribution, copying or access to copyrighted works. I don't see anything about suppressing bibliographic records of published books. [[ISFDB:Policy#Data_Deletion_Policy]] is identical to [https://help.goodreads.com/s/article/How-Do-I-Delete-My-Book-From-the-Goodreads-Database-1550590077773 that of Goodreads]:<br />
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:::* Deleting published books from our system is against policy. Goodreads is striving to be a complete database of all published works, including works that are out-of-print. ... Just as a library would not remove a record from its catalog, so do we not remove books from our database.<br />
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::: Since Goodreads has been owned by Amazon since 2013, I assume that this 2019 policy has been reviewed and approved by Amazon lawyers, so it presumably complies with DMCA<br />
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::: If our server were hosted in a European Union country, the author might be able to leverage the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_be_forgotten Right to be forgotten], but it doesn't apply in the US. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:28, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: P.S. I used database backups to create a local copy of the deleted publication and title records. Between them and Edit History we should be able to restore the data if and when the DMCA issues are sorted out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:48, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, he could get in trouble for filing false DMCA notices. Since all we have would be a fair use cover image, and the bibliographic information is not copyrighted data, the DMCA notice has no legal basis. [https://www.websitepolicies.com/blog/dmca-counter-notice This] may be helpful in addressing this issue (especially [https://www.websitepolicies.com/blog/dmca-counter-notice#send-a-dmca-counter-notice this part]). See also [https://www.gerbenlaw.com/blog/false-dmca-takedown-notices-ninth-circuit-holds-that-copyright-owners-must-consider-fair-use-before-issuing-take-down-notices/ this], [https://copyrightalliance.org/education/copyright-law-explained/the-digital-millennium-copyright-act-dmca/dmca-counter-notice-process/ this], [http://smithlawtlh.com/false-fraudulent-bad-faith-dmca-take-claims/ this], [https://www.hinchnewman.com/internet-law-blog/2015/04/legal-copyright-dmca-takedown-notice/ this], and [https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/legal-how-to-responding-to-a-dmca-takedown-notice/ this]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:42, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks for the pointers. My take on it is that the two cover images (m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61in-QAQKHL.jpg and m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41pp04kXO3L.jpg) are -- from a purely bibliographic perspective -- relatively minor "nice to have" morsels, so removing them wouldn't be a big deal, but the core bibliographic data is important to retain. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:16, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: It does look like it would be a good idea to file a counter-notification, regardless of any other steps taken. Since he won't be able to demonstrate infringement, we'd then be able to restore the content. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:04, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:AndyEchevarria; This person was actually helpful for a couple of months, at least. What went wrong? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Front page pubs limited to one pub per author ==<br />
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As per discussion above, the list of "selected forthcoming publications" displayed on the front page has been limited to 1 pub per author. For each author, the pub associated with the latest reference title is selected. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:15, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== IT PB/TP ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?5646; I'm trying to get the right formats; I added the Wallace book recently, with a mod making it a TP, but others are PB or digest, with a big gap of years. Were they all TP, PB, digest or some of each with the format changing as time went on? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:36, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Here is the governing help page: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Format formats]. The sentence that applies here is<br />
:* Any other book that is at least 7.25" (or 19 cm) tall, or at least 4.5" (11.5 cm) wide/deep, and is not a hardback, should be entered as "tp".<br />
: We have a somewhat informal agreement for skirting around the top limit for French and German books (although the editors of either langueg really need to get the discussion going to put that into the rules because their books are technically entered against the rules) but the basic rule is that if a book is 19 cm or taller and a paperback and not a pamphlet, it is a tp. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:44, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: It's an Italian publication series, so I would apply the Help rule cited by Annie. We have enough trouble with borderline French and German publications; I don't think we want it to spread to other languages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:09, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== G. C. Edmondson legal name ==<br />
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I was messaged on Twitter that [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/edmondson_g_c SFE] (and also [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._C._Edmondson Wikipedia]) have a different legal name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1271 G. C. Edmondson]. Is there any sort of history why ISFDB might want have a different value - I note that [[Bio:G.%20C.%20Edmondson]] notes a hoax over his birthplace, so I wonder if there/were similar concerns over legal name?<br />
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I'd never heard of this guy before, so have no dog in this fight.<br />
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Also, is Wikipedia in the list of sites that can be linked to without having to do the bot challenge? If not, can it be whitelisted? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:14, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I think it's simply an oversight (or a simplification, or both). I've updated the name to be the full name. You can see the whitelist [[:MediaWiki:Captcha-addurl-whitelist|here]]. I agree that <code>wikipedia\.org</code> should be added to the list. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:22, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: The two relevant updates are from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?1696230 2011] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2041631 2012]. Who knows what the sources were saying back then. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:27, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks both. Re. whitelist, on reflection, I do remember seeing it before; I was getting mixed up with the fact that only Bureaucrats (IIRC) can edit the list. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:29, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: wikipedia.org has been added to the white list. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:35, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::: It's possible I misunderstood the comment "I've updated the name to be the full name.", but I'm still seeing "Edmondson, Garry Cotton" rather than "José Mario Garry Ordoñez Edmondson y Cotton" as the legal name? NB: I've no idea where the split between given and family names is in the latter, so I've just copied the SFE text rather than the "familyname, given name" form that would be needed for the legal name field [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 21:29, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:44, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Weird. My update seems to have entirely disappeared. Ah, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5451024 here it is]. Apparently I didn't hit the Approve button. (^_^; ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:33, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: Ah, did not think to check the queue. Sorry :) I tend to start or end my day with a quick glance at my pending edits to see if I forgot to approve something. Happens more often than I wish to admit... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:26, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Home page -- possible tweaks ==<br />
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Now that the software that builds the home page has been upgraded to improve performance and to limit the number of pubs per author, we can discuss other tweaks. <br />
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Currently the home page says:<br />
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* Note: Forthcoming books may be delayed due to the Coronavirus pandemic<br />
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This note was added in the spring of 2019 when ISBNs were being canceled left and right. Do we still need it 2.5 years into the pandemic?<br />
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Also, the list of displayed pubs is currently called "Selected Forthcoming Books". However, it also includes books published today. Should we change its name to "Selected New and Forthcoming Books" or should we change the software not to display books published today?<br />
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Finally, the home page currently displays 20 pubs. We could increase the number, but keep in mind that Al has been experimenting with the way pubs are displayed to better utilize our "screen real estate". It may be prudent to see what he comes up with before we alter the number of displayed pubs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:02, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Spring 2020 actually, even if it felt that a lot more time must have passed. Some thoughts<br />
:* We probably should replace it with something like "Note: Forthcoming books are added based on pre-publication data and the details may have changed" or something along these lines. As much as we all try to keep on top of changes, there are a lot of books being added and some change out of nowhere (case in point - the DAW Books new corporate ownership had caused a bit of a mess with their publication dates this fall and books keep getting moved around, with different sources updating at different times). Or we can rely on people understanding that pre-release data changes and just drop the message.<br />
:* I vote to eject the books published "today" - because of timezones and what's not, they are often yesterday's books for people who look at the list, especially for books published in Europe and Asia and editors there. <br />
:* I really liked the 22 books we used to have on this list - it was irregular and charming. But that can wait. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:30, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I'm not able to write up a full/coherent comment/justification/explanation right now, for various reasons, but I'd vote for:<br />
::* Keeping today's books and tweaking the text to be "New and ..." per Ahasuerus suggestion<br />
::* Having a generic caveat message per Annie's suggestion - my impression that the delays we get now are all due to mundane reasons and not Covid. (FWIW, I've seen plenty of cases of other forthcoming book lists e.g. tor.com that have stuff that has had known delays for a long while before those pieces were published)<br />
:: If this discussion is still ongoing by the weekend, I'll edit in my reasons for the above. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 21:25, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::The changes I had in mind for the front page were relatively small, but I did want to address the massive amounts of wasted whitespace that makes for a really long page that requires unnecessary scrolling. So at a minimum:<br />
:::* Reduce the supporting text associated with the publication (for instance the ISBN isn't really necessary on the front page - some sites simply show the coverart with no associated text at all), and align any remaining text under the cover art, rather than beside it. That will double the available real estate per line for more books.<br />
:::* Increase the image size, so that the cover art dominates the canvas.<br />
:::* Swap forthcoming books with the author section (switching top to bottom).<br />
:::* Change 'authors born on this day' to 'living authors born on this day'. I have toyed with having author pictures (if available) in this section.<br />
:::* Consider changing 'authors who died on this day' to 'recent deaths'.<br />
:::* Use multi-column layout for the author information, to again reduce whitespace, and change the placement of the living/dead sections from side-to-side to top/bottom.<br />
:::When I first mocked those changes up, it resulted in page that required no scrolling. When I start on this again, I'll put the front page up at isfdb2.org for feedback.[[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 22:13, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: One thing to keep in mind is that we have a separate [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/calendar_menu.cgi SF Calendar] page. It's linked in the navigation bar on the left and it's effectively a list of all 366 days in the year arranged in the form of a calendar. Each "day cell" is a link to its respective "On This Day in SF" page. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/calendar_day.cgi?10+12 On This Day in SF - October 12] lists the authors who were born and who died on October 12. We can tweak these Web pages to have more content and/or we can link to them from the home page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:21, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::I think linking to the SF Calendar page from the main page (either at the top or bottom of the list of birthdays/death days) would be good. Perhaps something like "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/calendar_menu.cgi See the full calendar here]". ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:58, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dark Horizons Issues ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5452182; It'll probably be a while before this is approved, so just inquiring whether anyone owns a copy, because as can be seen there is a whole bunch of missing/alternate stuff, but as usual with old zines the only way to know for sure how things are inside is an actual print copy or a scan of one, which as far as I can tell doesn't exist online. Also see the photos on Dalby's site because there are also reviews/other art credits/etc. that may need entering. This is yet another example that just entering info from Galactic Central or Locus isn't reliable. There are probably other early issues that could use a real copy, too, if anyone owns any of them, since I suspect other info entered here may be wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:26, 12 October 2022 (EDT)--[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:26, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mind Brothers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286043; https://archive.org/details/mindbrothers00heat; Archive copy upped in 2010, nobody ever linked it so I did, 5 PV but only 2 active, so if GlennMcG or Spacecow read this why is there a note that says there's something written on the back cover about never-before-published that's not on the back cover, or maybe Archive copy is cut off at the bottom? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Maxime Durand canonical name ==<br />
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Any objections to switching the canonical name of {{A|Maxime Durand}} to Maxime J. Durand? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:14, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Nope. He started out as "Void Herald" on RoyalRoad, then republished his serials in book form as by "Maxim Durand" and finally seems to have settled on "Maxime J. Durand". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]])<br />
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== Dash It All ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260265; I added a bunch of Archive.org links to Spinetinglers series, replaced unstable images, and fixed some page counts, but the last book I did said I modified the Regular title when I didn't; there's some weird thing with the dash in the title being OK in 1 variant but spelled out as a word in the other, which may be responsible for the screw-up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:57, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Meddling With Ghosts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244541; Someone recently uploaded Shadows in the Attic (British Library) to Archive.org so I did some editing on it, then remembered there was a Ramsey Campbell anthology from them around the same time so I fixed dates and added some ID's (title date being 2000 while book date was 4/2001), but there seems to be a cover problem, with those on FantLab, https://fantlab.ru/edition170209, and Richard Dalby's site looking different than the one on ISFDB. So was there another edition or is the ISFDB cover a prelim and the others the actual hardcover's cover? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:55, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Server issues -- 2022-10-14 ==<br />
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All regular (i.e. bibliographic) pages are currently broken. Edit pages and moderator pages are fine, but that doesn't help much. Investigating. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:40, 14 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: The problem has been resolved. If you come across any issues, please post the URL of the problematic page here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:51, 14 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you, Ahasuerus!—[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:06, 14 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Citizen of the Galaxy ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/books/OL20657077M/Citizen_of_the_Galaxy; I was adding a ton of Robert Hale book edits when I came across this, which is not by Hale regardless of what it says; it's actually an old Scribner's edition, with a code on the copyright page that doesn't match the codes added to the notes of the other early editions on ISFDB. Experts in these old SF books may know what year that code means and may want to enter this as a new edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:05, 16 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Devil in Velvet ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/devilinvelvetmod00john; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?13311; There seems to be only 1 edition of this J.D. Carr novel on Archive.org, but the 2 1968 Bantam editions on ISFDB have an August date while the notes say February, which is what it says in the book. 1 was PV by Don Erikson, 1 by Bluesman, they're both non-active, so does anyone think it's a mistake and the month should be fixed? I'm going to add the link to the US edition, anyway. EDIT: While adding the Archive link I noticed it said the ID in the title and it turns out whoever entered it here got that wrong, too, so I just went ahead and fixed the month and ID in both the American and Canadian editions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:30, 16 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: ("it said the ID in the title" --I don't know what that means.)<br />
: If I understand correctly (iiuc) the histories and verifications, *August* numerical publication date 1968-08 of both US and Canada printing/pricing[*] dates from User:Mhhutchins 2010-01-22 use of Tuck as a source, or earlier. Probably the origin is Tuck or Mhh clerical error.<br />
: --given the title leaf quotation-- I would simply revise to 1968-02, not revise the Note.<br />
: More info: The record shows Don Erikson 2013-01-06 primary verified (PV) the US printing without revising the record (added image URL and text Note four days later). And iiuc, it shows Bluesman 2014-08-10 executed a hasty clone-and-modify as the Canada printing. Both PV overlooked 1968-08. For what it's worth, 1968-08 where month 8 matches "8" from the year, is the one of twelve numerical months that I deem easiest to overlook.<br />
: Limitation: I know that history of Variant relations is missing before 2021-01-11 and history of AddPub, ClonePub is missing before 2016-10-24. I suppose that all record of changes is missing, some time before 2010-01-22, but when? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:36, 17 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I meant that the uploader to Archive.org graciously included the catalog ID in their title, which caught my eye and led me to discover that was (also) entered wrong here. Honestly, the way things are going right now I doubt anyone cares very much about this, since I currently have over 1,000 edits in my queue. By the time someone gets around to this edit I'll have forgotten about it, anyway. If you wish you can follow up if it's approved and make sure everything's proper. I'll just add that when doing some Carr edits recently it's obvious there's a ton of other editions and other books by him that are genre-related and should be on ISFDB, in case anyone's interested. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:11, 17 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Another Signature ID ==<br />
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Can anyone identify ''this'' signature? https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/70/Screen_Shot_2022-10-17_at_2.28.28_AM.png<br />
It's from an illustration in the February '68 Playboy. Playboy, it seems, is not as good about crediting their illustrators as they are their photographers. (Even in 2004, [https://ia803201.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/17/items/playboy-history/Playboy%202004/3%20-%20March%202004_jp2.zip&file=3%20-%20March%202004_jp2/3%20-%20March%202004_0080.jp2&id=playboy-history&scale=4&rotate=0 this] illustration of Chuck Palahniuk's "Guts" was uncredited [and unsigned]). <br />
Thank you in advance! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:09, 17 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?166111; Possibility, since Archive.org January 1968 Playboy shows he wrote his name out on the upper left of the first page of the artwork and was credited by name on the next page while in February he used initials and wasn't credited. I did a search on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search.php?query=%22playboy+magazine%22+%22by+tom+daly%22&sin=TXT, and the only issue with those phrases are the January issue mentioned above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:20, 17 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Wow. I would never have seen that that could be the initials "TD", or anything but "yo yo." Good eye!<br />
::But now that I look at it as letters, the first one looks more like a P. It could be a fancy T, but the style of art also isn't very like "The Yellow Room" at all. It's still the best lead, though.—[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 16:24, 17 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== German Birkin ==<br />
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While doing some more Charles Birkin edits to add to those I did a while ago I noticed there are 2 German editions on FantLab that were never entered on ISFDB, https://fantlab.ru/search-editions?q=birkin&page=1, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 17 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== No Longer on the Map ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255284; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?382812; I added cover to the Ramsey one and fixed his name, but it's already there as Ramsay and I see I'm the only one in the edit history for that one back a while ago, so I cancelled today's edit, so now the Amra info and whatever else is necessary should be moved to Ramsay and Ramsey should be deleted, I think. EDIT: Turns out there's a copy on FantLab which allowed me to enter the missing month, fix the price note (I'd previously had a note entering it from some obscure website with a ridiculous long URL), add a note about the jacket designer, and replace the slightly dark cover with a brighter one, plus there's photos of the book from many different angles. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:47, 18 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Conan the Valorous Cover ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?507; https://picclick.com/Conan-The-Valorous-by-John-Maddox-Roberts-144304185257.html; Someone uploaded 2 John Maddox Roberts Conan novels recently (+ 1 edition uploaded many years ago is also there) which I've been adding, and the 4th printing of Valorous has a Les Edwards cover, but the cover attributed to Boris Vallejo on ISFDB is the same cover, so since PV is gone others may want to fix that and re-date Edwards' cover art, unless Edwards is an error by the publisher; I'm no Conan cover expert. Didn't Vallejo specialize in these fantasy covers with almost-naked women? I don't think that was Edwards' style. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:34, 18 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== My Votes enhancements ==<br />
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{{FR|1318}}, "Allow sorting 'My Votes' by title and by title date", has been implemented. You can now sort [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/myvotes.cgi?0+Vote your votes] by "Vote", by "Title", by "Date" or by "Most Recent Vote". A few minor display enhancements were also implemented as part of the same patch. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:42, 18 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Campbell's Claw ==<br />
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Someone uploaded this last month, https://openlibrary.org/works/OL1840346W/The_claw?edition=ia%3Aclaw0000rams, with the wrong fake name on the fake cover and the real author's name on the OL page; anyway, I remember a LONG time ago having a discussion about what the title originally was, so now that we have this available I think that finally the sorting of parents/variants can be fixed after my edit adding the Archive link is approved, not that I know what the correct order is, but anyway, Claw was the original, The Claw was only used on the 90's Brit editions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:47, 19 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Undated 2nd printing per numberline, at Archive.org ==<br />
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Title leaf of <i>The Story of Doctor Dolittle</i> in its Dell Yearling Centenary Edition P{{p|295530}} (viewed at archive.org) concludes with these three lines:<br />
: May 1988<br />
: 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 <br />
: CW<br />
The first two identify an undated 2nd printing of the May 1988 (1st printing date). Right? To be continued. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:48, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:You can't tell just by looking at that presentation whether the "May 1988" is the original printing's date or this printing's date. But if you look in the back, there is an ad, and the ad appears to have a date near the bottom ("DDD-7/88"), which suggests this printing is July 1988 or later. Another indicator can be other publications from the same era by this same publisher. If we have records for multiple printings and something more definitive about the dating (or lack thereof) of subsequent printings, you might be able to ascertain whether the publisher carried the original date through all printings, and then you could probably assume the same practice would have been applied here. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:00, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks, Marty. I need to update the example publication record P{{p|295530}} after another editor provided the scan at Archive.org, fixed some data, and notified me. [1] Because the Archive.org copy is 2nd printing, and its scan is the only source for price, that price belongs in the notes, not in the Price field. [2] What about use of the Webpages field for that archive.org link: Is that appropriate here (with notice of the mismatch in my revised Note), or only in a record of the 2nd printing (with my cross-reference in this Note)? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:05, 28 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::It's been a while since I was involved with edits for this book, but I think the fact that it says "One Previous Edition" on the copyright page, and not printing, is telling, since Dell had a habit of doing that with their endless editions of Alfred Hitchcock PB anthologies, where they'd release a new one with a totally different cover and then mention the previous Dell edition, with date, on the copyright page. ISFDB has a 1974 Dell Yearling edition so that might be what they're referring to, but I doubt even if that's not the case that the price would have changed in an edition published a few months later, anyway. But I'm no expert on these kids' books because they reprinted them endlessly in convoluted ways with different publishers and bindings and covers and oh my God it's a nightmare to sort out, which is why I rarely touch them. For example, https://picclick.com/Doctor-Dolittle-The-Story-of-Doctor-Dolittle-by-283933958421.html, another edition with much higher price but same ISBN. Finally, https://archive.org/search.php?query=kleinbaum+dolittle&sin=; Ms. Kleinbaum apparently "adapted" several Dolittle books and also did the novelization of the crap Eddie Murphy movie version (?!?) She apparently did a few more Lofting books that aren't on Archive.org, but that's for others to look into; I call dibs on the Murphy book, which I'm going to enter now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:58, 28 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::I don't know that we have a "standard", but I think it's fine to put the archive.org URL into the webpages list. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:17, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cornish Tales of Terror ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35335; There's much confusion with this, because that 1970 edition has the same bat photo cover as second impression (which I just added Archive link to along with the prices, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5460362, and there was a third impression with the same cover which I just entered as a new book, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5460384. Justin Todd cover seen in 1970 record here is actually from sometime after June 1974 (the date of the third impression) so if anyone can find photos with the exact date on the copyright page it can be entered as a new book with that cover; the Todd cover should be replaced in the Wiki with the original 1970 cover, but it's tough to know what's the right cover because most photos online are actually from later impressions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:11, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: U, many of your postings mention a recent submission that is in the queue. A link to the submission will help satisfy the curious, even if the mention is an aside to your main point; might help foster a reply. Such as <font color=green>green inserted above</font>, where I suggest "submission ###" and "in the queue" as two candidate linknames to include between square brackets with the URL. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:54, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Bookscans Update ==<br />
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Just a heads-up that Bookscans.com finally has a new update with over 3,500 new and/or improved scans including a generous helping of sleaze, although judging by how many Greenleaf covers were broken here recently they were obviously making changes before the official update. However, do not look in the section marked Pet Books; YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:22, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== German Masques ==<br />
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https://www.goodreads.com/work/editions/150161-masques-ii; https://openlibrary.org/books/OL12688059M/Popsy_und_25_weitere_Geschichten_nach_Mitternacht. While doing some Masques edits today I happened across these; any German-fluent editor who may want to enter these will have to do a little searching for info. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:15, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Graham Masterton and Jim Carrey in Vietnam ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5462528; Yes, there was a Vietnamese edition of Masterton's 1988 novel Mirror, and for some reason Jim Carrey is on the covers. I made my usual pathetic attempt at entering an occasional foreign edition of a book, so after it's approved if there are any Vietnamese-fluent people here they can add/fix a lot, I'm sure. There's also this, https://www.vinabook.com/tam-guong-ma-quy-truyen-kinh-di-p30390.html, if that helps with anything. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:22, 22 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Finally approved, so bumping this up for any editors fluent in the language to flesh out the record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:26, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Fantasy Tales Potter Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1036824; While replacing the single (broken) philsp.com cover image on ISFDB for Fantasy Tales magazine with an Amazon cover that's actually slightly better-framed I noticed there may be something wrong with the other 1990 issue, since the American edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?161641, has cover art entered as a separate record, not linked with the others. So the usual variant or merge or whatever is needed. I looked in Edit History and saw my name at the top, but I just added (or replaced) the cover and added the OL link to the Archive.org copy, but now that I look at that closer I realize that the American record is much less complete than the British, so if anyone wants to enter the essay and interior art that's needed, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:25, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:The same art appearing under different titles is varianted. I have made the change but feel free to submit these yourself. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:11, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== BLongley PV Question ==<br />
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I gather Mr. Longley was one of the founding fathers of this site, but I don't come across that many of his PV, since I think he did mostly old SF stuff which I don't do edits for very often. However, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5463077, which seems odd in that I would think he would know the rules for page count include every numbered page, not only the main work's, so if I did wrong by upping it by 1 let me know. Also, this jogged my memory about another edit I did recently that's still awaiting approval, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5451980, so if someone can respond and tell me if that edit's a waste of time and should just be rejected, I'd like to know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:25, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:1. Approved. That was verified in 2009. It could be standards changed over time or simply a mistype (happens to everyone).<br />
:2. Rejected. We typically treat a non-fiction work as a single work. We would not enter the individual chapters as contents anymore than we would enter the chapters of a novel. The exceptions are when the nonfiction work is similar to a collection (ex. previously published essays) or anthology (ex. essays by different authors). <br />
:--&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:23, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Jonny Quest Trapped? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1240472; I'm the only one in the Edit History, apparently fixing the title long ago among other things, but as I came across it today I saw it's the only one in the series that has "only appeared as" because the wrong Trapped title, which only shows up in a Google search for this site, is still there, so I'm sure someone knows how to fix that. Also, I assume all the books that start with Jonny Quest shouldn't, so if affirmative I will fix those and get rid of Jonny (I always hated him, anyway). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:41, 25 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed and also added #10 in the series (which was missing). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:54, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::I just had some Jonny Quest edit approved, and I noticed the volume you entered, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?920331, has HarperCollins, which has the UK branch as the publisher for the first several volumes but HarperPrism is for the rest. So either it should be UK with Collins UK price or US with Prism US price. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:28, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== T(h)om(as) Fleming ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?23003; I did some edits for the Lee book, and afterwards realized that I think the art credits for "Teeth" and the Spectrum book are really by this guy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Fleming_(artist). Yes? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:33, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Briney ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=briney&type=Name; I added an obscure essay by someone named Andrew Briney to a book today, and while looking at names of Briney found those linked above, and there's a Jack Vance review in both, so I believe Bob and Robert are the same guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:13, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Established the variants and the pseudonymous correlation. Thanks for this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:21, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Oktobertrek ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/@greeneuva?sort=-addeddate; Came across these randomly, don't know if they qualify, if they do somebody may want to enter them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:26, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:We usually only include convention program books if they have speculative fiction in them, or if they are genre conventions that focus on printed speculative fiction. These seem to be more what they call a "media convention", focused on the TV show and films. I didn't see any content we'd tend to inclue when looking through the program books. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:18, 28 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Horrorology ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?533416; I've done numerous edits for both editions of this book, but my latest one which, I think, added the full wraparound cover from FantLab caused me, after checking to make sure everything was OK, to notice that the page count is way off, but I'm not sure what the real page count should be, since there's an unnumbered 1-page epilogue, an acknowledgements page with artwork, a bio page with picture, and an illustration. So if anyone wants to correct the page count. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:09, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Wizard of Woodworld ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50291; I've been doing a lot of Garry Kilworth edits recently, and I uploaded the full wraparound cover of this book from SF-Encyclopedia (edit pending), but they wrote the prices on the back cover over some leaves on the ground and the Australia and New Zealand (and other?) prices are unreadable, so if anyone owns a copy they can always add that info to the notes, assuming they can make the prices out. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:08, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Henry Kuttner / Bertram W. Williams / "The Monkey Wrench" ==<br />
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On [https://twitter.com/jamesdnicoll/status/1586418747216125952 Twitter], James Davis Nicoll has asked the question: ''"Question: is the ISFDB correct to list as Kuttner's first story 1931's "The Monkey Wrench", published under the pen name Bertram W. Williams? The sources I've seen claim his first story was 1936's The Graveyard Rats.'' As I type this, there are 3 responses, none of which support the idea that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2096297 The Monkey Wrench] is a Kuttner story. I suspect the crux of the matter is whether [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19052 Bertram W. Williams] really is a Kuttner pseudonym - [[Author:Henry Kuttner]] gives a possible clue - perhaps one of the PVers of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?177229 Index to the Science-Fiction Magazines (1926-1950) (Revised Edition)] can confirm this pseudonym? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:04, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:The FictionMags Index does not list Williams being a pseudonym. Biomassbob created the alternate name per the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/author_history.cgi?19052 edit history]. I will point him to this conversation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:39, 30 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::http://jerryshouseofeverything.blogspot.com/2019/06/forgotten-book-kuttner-times-three.html; See comment by Haffner. EDIT: Kuttner Times Three was hiding in the "Pulp Magazine Inbox" on Archive.org so I've added an edit with a link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 30 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::This is clearly a mistake, given that Kornbluth was born in 1923. Don't know where the idea came from, but I corrected it.[[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] ([[User talk:Biomassbob|talk]]) 12:47, 30 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Morton(-)Sale ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/martinpippininda0000farj; I was surprised to see this with a full cover, these older books usually being coverless on Archive.org, so I entered the Archive.org link (and fixed the page count which was off by 10), and after submitting it realized I forgot to add the cover and went to OL, which also surprisingly had it (certainly not always the case). While entering that edit I realized the frontispiece was the same as the cover art but cover artist wasn't entered, the problem being John Morton-Sale is called J. Morton Sale on the front flap and his wife (?), Isobel, isn't mentioned like she is on the title page. Also, there's a guy on ISFDB named Morton Sale, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?346778, who I think might be the same person, and coincidentally I see that I'm the one who entered both of his credits. So if anyone wants to tackle this kids' book some variants might be needed. There's also the matter of the back flap, which says the other Pippin book on ISFDB, Apple Orchard, has a cover by Hugh Lofting, the Dr. Dolittle creator whose cover art credits on ISFDB are only for his books; neither Apple Orchard edition here has any cover credit. So after the recent Dolittle discussion somewhere here recently more has come to light. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:08, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, the artists are husband John and wife {{a|Isobel Morton-Sale}} --submitted and approved {{done}}<br />
: Concerning John's alt name {{a|Morton Sale}} --four submitted as #5478560, 65, 70, 74. (Note the steady rate of submissions by other editors during those five minutes of my own work.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:37, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Strange Wine and the Dillons ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5469373; Archive.org copy can't be borrowed, and there are intros before each story, so I had to search for titles and I think I got all the page numbers correct, but who knows, someone will look at it eventually. The odd thing is the cover is credited to Leo and Diane Dillon, with a 1966 copyright date. There is this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3527+3, with all covers being a photo of Mr. Ellison, but there's also this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?4067+2009, where the Ellison covers without the photo are all the same cover as the Strange Wine book I just did an edit for, but the Dillons are only credited on 1 of them. Ellison also has a 2008 book, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?537728, which has the photo cover but is missing the pub. series (entered by someone in 2015, so maybe the series didn't exist yet on here), so I made another edit adding the series, and most oddly a 1999 book, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375604, which has the same artwork but with a different color scheme. So why art's dated 1966 and whether the 1999 e-book was the first time it appeared on a cover, who knows, but I'm sure all this will open some discussions here. Tangentially, there's clearly something off about the first half-dozen e-reads.com books being dated before e-books existed, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4067, and also about this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?45027, which seems the same publisher judging by the notes in both about being acquired by Open Road, and this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?424501, which is the only E-Reads Ellison book listed and has the same cover as all the e-reads.com books, and finally the question of whether these, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?35686, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?16649, and https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?33558, are the same as the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:21, 30 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Large backlog in the Pending Submission Queue ==<br />
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Is there a problem with getting submissions in the Pending Edits queue processed? The current count is 5987 and I have pending edits that have been queued since October 18. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:59, 31 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: They're all approved. I'll also approve the follow-ups as soon as you submit them. Sorry about the delay. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:50, 31 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Too many submissions, often requiring time to research and process, and not enough moderators with enough time to go through them properly. It can happen when things align weirdly. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:55, 31 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Football, Maradona, and the Commodore 64 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?36690; There have been 4 copies uploaded in the last few years, https://archive.org/search.php?query=%22book%20of%20two%20halves%22%20royle, and I entered an edit for the original edition which is on ISFDB. A few problems, though; even though the cover is the same on all 4 the credited cover artist is different in the original Gollancz than in the Indigo or Phoenix editions, and the Phoenix changes the subtitle from "New Football Short Stories" to just "Football Short Stories", even though you wouldn't know that unless you look at the cover because the uploader wrote the wrong subtitle in the description. Here's the important thing, though, in case anyone wants to do anything with these; there are nearly 20 more stories that aren't entered here, many of them by genre authors, but I tried reading 1 of them and couldn't make sense of the football (or soccer, here in the USA) slang, so I think this is something for the Brits/Euros to tackle. I'm sure at least a few titles will be eligible for inclusion here. Also, the very first story, by M. John Harrison, is credited to M, no period, so I'm sure those who like creating variants such as that will have a field day, with other names being slightly different, too, no doubt. What I'm really wondering, though, is something that's been bugging me for years, starting in the late 1980s, when a B. Dalton's (RIP) on 5th Avenue in New York had a sweet little alcove downstairs full of computer games and magazines, and I ended up buying nearly a year's worth of issues of Commodore User, a British C64 magazine that somehow made its way to the States, although I'm not sure how shady this might have been because there was an empty box on the cover where the price should have been, with a salesgirl even asking me once what the price was when I went to buy it, as if I would know. Exactly why I bought them I don't know, as I only had an Atari 800XL at the time and didn't get a C64 until late in 1991 on my 21st birthday, when it was almost obsolete (got 15 months of playtime out of it before it died, buying every cheap game at that Dalton's I could, even Mastertronic games-yes, I was that desperate). However, I remember clearly that in 1 issue's letters section there was a (black-and-white, pixelated, tiny) photo of a football player named Diego Maradona, and it showed him jumping in the air and catching the ball with his hand, which even I know is not allowed in that sport, with a caption simply reading "Shameful", or something similar. Many years later, this guy ended up being close friends with Hugo Chavez, the late unlamented Communist leader of Venezuela, and spewing the usual anti-American propaganda. So I've always wondered, was he hated by the European fans for being a cheating bastard, or was he just not a very nice person? EDIT: https://archive.org/details/Commodore_User_Magazine_Issue_040/page/n13/mode/1up; it seems the photo wasn't as tiny as I remembered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:23, 1 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Well, despite this action (handplay), Maradona is recognized as one of the Great Three of football (European / South American style), the other being the late Pelé and (just recently invicted) Lionel Messi. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:18, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Non-genre nonfiction ==<br />
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How should we use the '''non-genre''' tag for '''nonfiction'''? I suspect that all three instances by {{a|Patrick Moore}} are tagged by mistake. Also that two of three by {{a|Willy Ley}} are mistakes, and his list of works suggests to me that his version of ''The Borders of Mathematics'' may also belong here, without the non-genre tag.<br />
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{{a|H. G. Wells}} is a writer above a certain threshold. Perhaps the non-genre tag should be used only for writers who are on that mythical list? (Willy Ley may be one of them.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:12, 2 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:It should be used the same way as on any other title: if it's not about speculative fiction, it's non-genre. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:14, 3 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: It seems that many of the nonfiction titles we have in the database are not categorized properly as non-genre (for example titles about movies, tv shows, or astronomy), but it seems they should be! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:18, 3 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::If they cover any print/eprint content, then they are considered genre. We technically shouldn't have anything that covers only a film or TV series or science topics without any print/eprint coverage unless the author/editor is above the threshold. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:21, 3 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Just adding a note: "The Borders of Mathematics" will always be non-genre and does not belong in the DB unless the author is above threshold. The only non-fiction eligible is one that can be plausibly connected to another book which is already eligible on its own and not as an above threshold item (so connected fiction, poetry or eligible non-fiction which deals with one of the previous two). If there is no fiction tie-in, even with a degree of separation, it only can be in as an above threshold item and always tagged as non-genre. So Asimov's biography is in; a book about historical non-fiction what-ifs or about space or about UFO and so on are out. <br />
:::: And yes, a lot of the DB's non-fiction need cleaning (deleting very often, adding the flag sometimes) - we even have the report for the ones we suspect need deletion (added back when we were apparently adding books for being reviewed in our magazines). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:26, 3 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Scottish Ghost Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1104230; FantLab goofed and included a photo of the front flap of Severn House's edition of Hugh Lamb's 1980 anthology New Tales of Terror on their page for O'Donnell's book, so I added a link in the Lamb book's record to that photo with a note explaining all that, but afterwards I noticed that Jarrold/Jarrolds seem to have reprinted the O'Donnell book umpteen times, because a title page photo says 1975, a copyright page photo says 1981, and FantLab's page says 1990. ISFDB only has the original (?) 1911 edition and a couple of recent ones, so if anyone ever decides to enter more editions there seem to be a whole lot of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:04, 4 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Winterwood ==<br />
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https://picclick.com/Keith-Roberts-%93-WINTERWOOD-AND-OTHER-HAUNTINGS-1989-115565926879.html; Doing some Keith Roberts edits and this book has a limited edition with an extra story; oddly, that link above doesn't show any sign of that, but it does show a photo of "The Scarlet Lady"'s title page which is on p. 25, not p. 24 like the contents page/ISFDB says. So does anyone have copies of either edition who can clear all this up? Some stuff may need to be changed. https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40022. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:37, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Barcode Prices ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mavmaramis#Warcraft_Atlas; Am I correct in that the price is $29.99 like the barcode says, and the Warcraft page, too, and should that price be entered here? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:45, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
: According to [https://brookevitale.com/blog/book-barcode#:~:text=In%20the%20United%20States%2C%20most,number%2C%20books%20use%20an%20EAN. this] article, the price is indeed $12.99 US. A grain of salt though, the article claims that ISBN-13 is part of the EAN strategy, which I was unaware of. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 11:18, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I assume you meant $29.99, not $12.99. I'm not sure what EAN is, so I'll wait for someone else to chime in and then add the Archive link and price if everyone agrees. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, that is a price. The leading 5 means US currency and the number the price. However, don't just drop the price in the price field. The notes should state that the price itself was not printed on the cover and was entered based on the barcode. This way there is no confusion down the road. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:46, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::OK, I'll do that, but I hope PV doesn't get mad because they don't seem fond of people contacting them anymore about changes. I'll let them know, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragons of Komako ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9257; 1 book in this series is on Archive.org so I added a link, and then did some minor date fixes for other books, but this one has no cover artist, with Dave Dorman being the guy as is mentioned online in several places but I can't find any copyright page photos anywhere and he's credited as David in his other cover art for books in this series, so does anyone have a copy who can check his first name? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Carn Cover ==<br />
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[https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2412/3425/products/2022_11_0112_52OfficeLens_24_1296x.jpg]; I added this book today, there's a "John M" signature on the bottom of the cover, if anyone can make it out it can be added here. I was expecting to see IONICUS as with so many Kimber covers, but no. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:22, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Escape From the Bazaar ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1375642; There is an Archive.org edition but it's a Books For Libraries 1970 reprint, which doesn't specify which edition it's reprinted from, and has the author's full name on the title page unlike all 4 ISFDB records, and the story titled "An Escape" is really "Escape", unlike what the notes say and what was finally entered here. So there's some stuff to research, like which edition was reprinted, whether author's full name was used in every edition, and whether that story was ever published as "An Escape" in any edition. Armstrong has no books on FantLab, 1 book on Dalby's site that's not on ISFDB and is likely non-genre, SFE has no covers, eBay has 3 useless copies with no photos except their covers, etc., so I'm guessing this dude's books are hella rare. Uh-oh, I was about to save this edit when I thought of Google Books, and they have a full view copy of the Knopf edition, which does NOT have the author's full name on the title page but does say "Escape", and a snippet view copy of what Google says is the 1924 Cape edition, which is the same as Knopf, so variants ahoy. Could that weird Smith edition, where it seems nobody's even sure what exactly the publisher's full name is, have used Armstrong's full name? Why would the reprint edition choose that as their source? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:58, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost my previous account ==<br />
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Good day. Since the last round of server issues I was no longer able to log in despite using the correct password (I've had the same password since the beginning). After some time, I reluctantly created a new user ID here, & I read that I should link the two, but do not know how to do this. Advice would be appreciated. My former username is Zybahn. [[User:CasualDebris|CasualDebris]] ([[User talk:CasualDebris|talk]]) 09:43, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I have sent an email to the address associated with the original account (Zybahn). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:44, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:54, 7 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Yngve SF Collection ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106931; SWEDISH editors, this 2006 collection was entered in 2008, somebody removed the cover image for some reason a few years later, and it's been sitting dormant for more than 12 years until I stumbled on it today. I believe everything needed to fill in missing info is here, https://web.archive.org/web/20060522062859/http://www.welaforlag.se/ebok.htm, and here, https://web.archive.org/web/20061113202042/http://yngve.bravehost.com/aboutfaceinthedoor.html. The reason I noticed it is because I was entering stories on ISFDB that were published on the old Byzarium website, and Yngve had 1, https://web.archive.org/web/20060323111952/http://www.byzarium.com/storyArchive/December2005.asp?storyName=Nightmare, and his bio mentions a SF novel and its sequel not on ISFDB, and it seems there were more, https://web.archive.org/web/20080228213113/http://yngve.bravehost.com:80/titles.html, although what was actually published is the question. The Swedish review linked at the publisher's site mentions all the stories, including some original Swedish appearances, but as can be seen at the author's site many were also published in English, so tracking down the links hiding in archived sites may interest someone. EDIT: http://aryngve.com/cv.html; It seems the author has published a lot, which were never entered here, so that's interesting. I added a link to his current website in an edit, since the only thing there now is a Goodreads link. EDIT: I also added the 1 Amazon photo of him I could find since there's no photo of him here, and in it he's holding a copy of Precinct 20: Dead Strange, one of his books. If any mods read this, can you approve the 2 Yngve edits at the top of my list, because if any Swedes decide to work on any of this the first thing they'll probably do is enter his image and website, which will make my edits redundant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:54, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Playboy Questions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?24780; I replaced a 1969 Playboy cover and it was just approved, and then it hit me while looking at it (for the articles) that it's not supposed to have a cover, being a non-genre mag. 1 1954 issue and that 1969 issue are the only ones with covers, so should both probably be deleted, and I also wonder why 2 years, 1957 and 1974, are marked non-genre but not the rest. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:07, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Dissembler ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dissembler; I added some links recently to Leisure horror novels that are on Archive.org, and some of them have notes about info being from Dissembler. The page counts in most cases were very wrong, fixed by me, and today I randomly came across that page linked above. Was this some old joke from the early days of this site, or was it an early version of what's called Fixer now, where some robot AI trawls the internet adding records? Because man, it sucked. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ijasan ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=ijasan&type=Name; Probably same person, Arabic names written last before first, I guess. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:16, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Goodbye to Gunpowder by Donald Barr Chidsey ==<br />
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Any objections to deleting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250907 this one]? It is non genre, non-fiction from an author who has no known genre works. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:57, 7 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Chidsey ==<br />
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Someone just asked if Donald Barr Chidsey's book can be deleted, since it's only there because of the SF magazine review, and it looked familiar because I'm in the edit history as adding the cover a while back. It's an unusual last name so I checked and there's only 2 other Chidseys on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=chids&type=Name, but I suspect they're the same person, writing a letter to the same magazine within a year of each other, so maybe someone here knows for sure and can make one a variant of the other. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:44, 7 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Duel Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?24108; I added HC Archive.org link. Title isn't right, but what should it be? Duel or Duel: Terror Stories? EDIT: Also, ISFDB has the e-book as 2003, but this, https://jerrywbrown.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Collected-Stories-includes-Born-of-Man-and-Woman-Matheson-Richard.pdf, says 2011 on the copyright page with the same 13-digit ISBN as ISFDB. What's up with that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:49, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shrinking Man (Sphere) ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42019; A recent copy appeared on Richard Dalby's site, https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/collections/newest-shopify-test/products/richard-matheson-the-incredible-shrinking-man-sphere-books-1988-paperbacks, and I uploaded the cover because unlike the cover currently on ISFDB you can see a signature on the lower right, KE...something. However, that site's photos usually aren't the greatest, so it's a bit smaller than the old one. So if anyone can find a better Sphere cover that also shows the signature, please upload it and replace mine, and of course if anyone can identify the artist that would be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:43, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== One More Signature ID ==<br />
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This signature is on the cover of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6612 Changing Places], by Susan Smith (Scholastic/Point, 1986). https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/4/48/Screen_Shot_2022-11-10_at_11.05.35_PM.png Can anyone identify it? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 00:44, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== German Killerbowl ==<br />
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Killerbowl-Gary-K-Wolf/dp/1975719689; The copyright page says EIS did the cover; it's the same as the 1981 German edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?885753, but it's Eis there. Also, should this be by Gary K. Wolf as publisher? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:13, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon-hosted cover scans at images/P/ ==<br />
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Recall the latest discussion of Amazon cover images at "/P/" and at "/G/":<br />
* [[ISFDB:Community Portal/Archive/Archive52#Amazon-hosted cover scans |Archive 52: Amazon-hosted cover scans]], Jan/Feb 2022<br />
(FYI, the preceding seems to be [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive51#Joan_Aiken.3F Archive 51: Joan Aiken?], Oct 2021.) The latest concludes with announcement by Ahasuerus of our augmented "My Verifications" reports.<br />
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Recently I visited the Amazon product pages for all 17 of my own "/P/" --listed here as "My Primary Verifications with Unstable ISBN-based Amazon URLs". Easy to do: every one is "two clicks away" from that report, because every publication record does report the crucial ISBN. FINDING: All 17 currently link cover images at "/I/", all of which are visually identical to the ones that we link at "/P/". At a glance I suppose that all 17 match the books I verified. ACTION TAKEN: none, because I expect to find most of the latter at a local public library. <br />
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This is a change from springtime, when a spot check showed /P/ images at Amazon. It may be useful for others to pursue. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:24, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Wiki pages for deletion ==<br />
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There is a template we are --or were, a few years ago-- requested to add to ISFDB wiki pages that may be recommended for deletion. For instance, I would add that to [[Bio:Anthony R. Lewis]], where the database Author page is one that I revised this week, in a way that makes the Bio page redundant. In practice it might be only the "Bio:" space where I would use it. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:53, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:You can use [[:Template:Deletion candidate]] or [[:Template:Page transferred]] based on the particular circumstances. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:16, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Stickman ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33232; https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search?searchArg=stickman+pfefferle&searchCode=GKEY%5E*&searchType=0&recCount=25; There are 2 Open Library records, 1 with WorldCat ID (there are actually 2 different records with different ID # on WorldCat, which I've entered in an edit), and 1 with LCCN ID, but clicking it leads to nothing, yet typing the title on LoC does find the book. So are there any numbers on the LoC page that can be entered here as ID? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:26, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:It does not seem to have an LCCN. The permalink on that page is to some different sort of catalog entry. Looks like maybe it's in a box of stuff? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:54, 12 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Les Edwards / Daniels ==<br />
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Les Daniels, author of many vampire novels and a lot of genre non-fiction, has 2 cover art credits here; 1 was for a British edition of 1 of his novels, which turns out to be by Les Edwards, so I've made an edit to fix that. However, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6960, which I can't find anywhere; it's also a British edition, but an ISFDB search for Severn House covers by Les Edwards finds nothing, so if anyone owns this or can find a photo identifying the artist, great; I'm pretty sure it's really Edwards. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:08, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Tinkleman vs. Tinkelman ==<br />
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There are two artists [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26127 Murray Tinkelman]] with a bio and long list of credits and [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?116410 Murray Tinkleman]] with only a couple of credits and no bio. I suspect they are the same, but don't really have an eye for art. A small project for someone. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:51, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Well, this is odd; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?271901. It turns out that, as can be seen on the copyright page here, https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/products/the-lurker-at-the-threshold-h-p-lovecraft-1976-3rd-printing-ballantine-books-paperback-murray-tinkleman-cover, Vincent Di Fate is credited for cover art, but magnifying the cover shows "M. Tinkelman" on the lower left. PV is long-gone, so if a mod reads this, please change the name to Tinkelman with a note about the wrong cover artist in the book, since if I make an edit it will be a very long time before it's approved. EDIT: Never mind the Di Fate thing, my OCD made me look at it again and I realized the geniuses inserted a copyright page from some other Ballantine book as can be seen by the different date and ISBN. So the cover art is still signed Tinkelman but now a REAL copyright page from this book needs to be seen to find out how artist's last name is spelled in the book, if it's there at all. I can't find it anywhere online. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:28, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Satyrday ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?14733; I added the missing British Souvenir Press edition today, which has the same cover as the American HC, and added Ron Miller's credit from the Berkley PB to the foreign edition because the notes there say cover and illustrations came from Berkley Books; problem is, the foreign edition has an earlier date here than the PB, and there's a mysterious 1982 Berkley TP with no cover and none I can find online. So does anyone know if that's where the art was first used? Also, 1 of Miller's interior art credits was misspelled Satryday here, which I've corrected, but there's a separate interior art credit that's spelled correctly. Miller has 2 cover credits, the covers being totally different, so maybe the art used inside was different, too, or maybe not. Anyone know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Book cover identity ==<br />
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A user on Reddit asked about a book cover - he states "it showed a long curving floating road, with a long line of mostly alien creatures chained to each other slowly marching along it. In the foreground was a guy in a suit." Poster does not know the title or author. It isn't Norman Spinrad's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?131931 The Men in the Jungle]. If anyone can help with this this given the vague description the question can be found here on [https://www.reddit.com/r/badscificovers/comments/ypwab1/comment/iwhbti7/?context=3 Reddit]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:55, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon SFBC Edition ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?25802; There's only 1 copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/details/sturgeonisalivew00stur, but it doesn't fit with any of these; the SFBC edition has a note about gutter codes and this copy does have an M on p. 205, so might be the '82 reprint. If anyone knows how to further identify exactly what year it is then it can be entered. The 2 PV of the SFBC edition already on here are long-gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Nazis Possessed By Satan ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5480025; My edit was rejected because it's supposedly not spec-fic, just "all that christian stuff", but some of the blurbs at the front and the description on the back clearly peg it as genre, with the premise being that the Nazis and today's skinheads do what they do because of being possessed. If it's not considered spec-fic then most of Elwood's other Christian novels would have to go, too, along with many other Christian-themed books here. Any speed readers here who can read the entire book and weigh in? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:24, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Quiver of Horror ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5490693; Unstable image was replaced by me, afterwards I noticed Arrow logo on cover is different, was going to cancel when I saw on Dalby's site, https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/dennis-wheatley-quiver-of-horror-arrow-books-1965-paperbacks, that the cover that was there previously is a year-later reprint, so I may have accidentally found the real original cover, any experts on these old British paperbacks and their umpteen reprints maybe can tell us if it is; if so, the old cover should be added to a new record for the reprint. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:43, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Zork Chronicles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50891; 5 PV, RTrace, Ahasuerus, Willem still active, I added Archive link and noticed title is Zork: The Novel on copyright page so I added a note about that, does it say that on your copies, too (if not, I'll cancel and just add the link)? Also made Infocom books novelizations except Wishbringer which already was marked so, but Robin Wayne Bailey has alternate name for their 2 books, so which name should be checked off as a novelization; maybe both? EDIT: Typing Effinger and zork-the-novel on Google only finds this, https://www.thezorklibrary.com/history/resources/novel/The%20Zork%20Chronicles.pdf, so apparently this isn't info that's common knowledge. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:49, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== IT! ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?300084; On the great tapatalk.com site I found this, https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/monsterkidclassichorrorforum/paperback-film-tie-ins-t6678-s1200.html, which mentions that Italian publication linked above, and says the English title is fake, but it's not; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It!_The_Terror_from_Beyond_Space. So really this should be a novelization, but ErnestoVeg, who entered a ton of Italian stuff many years ago, is deceased, so maybe some other Italian experts will know what to do with this. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:35, 20 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Japanese Madman ==<br />
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https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/monsterkidclassichorrorforum/paperback-film-tie-ins-t6678-s1240.html; I, Madman was a lame horror movie from 1989 that, I think, was novelized in Japan? It was retitled Hardcover overseas (the plot is something about books), and at the link above are 2 photos of what looks like a book; Nihonjoe would know, I'm sure. Also, I just made a change to the Wikipedia page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Madman, adding Japan in the first sentence; I can probably count how many Wikipedia changes I've ever made on my fingers, but it seems odd to me that any doofus can edit without approval, unlike this site. Does anyone know why this is or if they eventually check what people do? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:02, 20 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:As far as I can tell, there is no novelization of this film published in Japan. I think that's a scan of the front and back of the movie program (they release a short booklet, usually A4 size, with many films in Japan. It has cast and crew information, as well as other things related to the film). As for why Wikipedia allows anyone to make changes to articles, that's part of their thing. Some pages are less watched than others, so any vandalism sometimes goes unnoticed for a while on less-watched pages. Still, it works pretty well. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:37, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover image links broken ==<br />
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First noticed this a couple of months ago, but still an issue. Links for covers to Galactic Central seem to have been broken after the big database move. See, for example, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61948 --[[User:Gengelcox|Gengelcox]] ([[User talk:Gengelcox|talk]]) 19:04, 20 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Yes, can anything be done? When was the move? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 04:13, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Vonda M. Big Engine Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52198; Very little evidence online of this edition; like other books by the publisher it may have gone down when they went away. After further research this may need the unpublished date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:55, 21 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Gay Zorro ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=zorro&type=All+Titles; Is Zorro, being a mythological figure, ISFDB-relevant? Because I just found a copy on Archive.org of the Zorro, the Gay Blade novelization, an unbelievably offensive 1981 spoof starring George Hamilton soon after he played Dracula in Love At First Bite, and would love to enter it here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:56, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:As far as I can tell, there are no speculative elements at all in that adaptation. I wouldn't call Zorro mythological, either, since the character was created around 1920 as a pulp fiction character. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:26, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 2 Robert Harrises ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?3055; I doubt the Swedish SS is by the famous Harris because he would have been 9 at the time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Right you are. I made the difference for this piece into 'Robert Harris (I)' as author. Does anyone know about another Robert Harris active as writer at that time, the 1960s? (I found no one at Wikipedia). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:57, 23 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Christopher Fowler Story Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=monsoon+pal&type=All+Titles; It seems that the story starts with "The" in Red Gloves, too, going by the e-book edition readable on Google Books and elsewhere, but ISFDB edition is TP from years ago, and who knows how it is in Dark World, Tartarus books being very rare and so actual story title page can't be seen. So if anyone finds out; I suspect Dark World has the shorter title and Fowler's collection and subsequent reprints have the longer title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:51, 23 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Luana ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89579; Several active PV, so does "Printed in Canada" appear on copyright page in everyone's copies? If so, it should have a Canadian price, no? Or is it a separate Canadian edition? Because price and SBN are the same as ISFDB's, which would seem to suggest it's not. https://bookshopapocalypse.com/products/luana-by-alan-dean-foster-1974-movie-tie-in-paperback. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:41, 23 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Bookfinger Cyclops ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5493838; The 1974 Bookfinger edition of 1940's Dr. Cyclops is very rare because 200 of the 1000 copies were damaged, and the only photos I could find were in a very long novelizations thread on tapatalk.com, but the photo I uploaded just now includes the dustjacket of the original edition and the Bookfinger which has no jacket , while another photo later on in the thread shows only the spines of both. So that's the best one because at least it shows the front cover and the spine, but if anyone knows how to crop out the original and just show the Bookfinger it would be appreciated. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:58, 23 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Extremely easy to do. Use MS Paint, for example, select desired area of picture, press 'crop', save as jpg, upload. Done. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:41, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Recording ebook editions ==<br />
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I know we generally don't create separate publication records for ebooks. I suspect this is in part because there's no good way to date them. However, I recently purchased the Kindle ebook editions of N. K. Jemisin's Broken Earth series and noticed that all three of the ebooks have a code on the copyright page containing what looks like both an edition number and a full date. (example: E3-20210202-JV-PC-COR). The Kindle page counts are also significantly different from the ones in the existing records. I didn't find any guidance in the Help pages nor, for that matter, did I see the don't record ebook editions guidance. Should these be separate pub records or should there just be notes added to the existing ebook pub records? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:02, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, I do think that these differences do allow their indexing as separate editions: as long as there are differences, we do recognize them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:38, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Every Update (and some books get a new update almost weekly - sometimes a single typo will be fixed and a new file uploaded) gets one of these strings so if we start recording them separately, we will have hundreds of records per book (especially for the self-published). Unless the book has a different cover, excerpt, publisher or actual statement for a different edition (or a change in the isbn, author or title of course), I’d treat them as a single record. The page numbers is not an issue - they are usually estimates based on a paperback which may or may not have the same excerpts. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:04, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::Thanks. Besides the code, each of these has a different cover from the existing ebook record so in this case I'll create separate edition records. Is there some way to get this guidance added to the Help? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:17, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: As we record the artists and cover art and other details about it (the latter in the notes) and show the cover, a new cover will always mean a new record IMO. More often than not, they also pair with a paperback with the same cover (but not always). Then you can use the dates inside to date (with attribution - GoodReads can sometimes also help dating the covers/editions - Amazon can be a pain for that as they reuse records. Or use 0000-00-00 if that feels right). :) We probably should get that a bit better listed in the help pages. I will work on it as soon as I am fully back online, probably next week - just resurfacing after a bit of a health issue this week. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:25, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Canadian Alph ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251871; https://archive.org/details/alph0000main_b5k4; Many active PV, Archive.org copy printed in Canada on copyright page, same price as USA, is this the copy that was PV? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:09, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Year's Best Weird Fiction ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?36975; I've copy-and-pasted a discussion with a mod on my board in case anyone can fill in anything with these books: 1) The title date of #1 is earlier than the edition you PV but there's no record for an earlier edition here; 2) The foreign edition is the only book in the "Modern Weird" Series with no series #, format or cover artist, and the other 3 books are listed as 2 PB and a TP, so obviously one of those formats is wrong; 3) Volume 3 HC has no page count, cover artist or contents, and while cover images for both editions are the same and the TP does have a cover artist later volumes in the series have a different cover (#4 also has 2 separate cover artists) for each edition so it's possible that whoever entered 3's HC cover just copy-and-pasted the TP cover without checking to see if that was the right cover, as has happened so many times before with other books ; 4) Volume 4 HC has no ISBN or page count, doesn't have the day entered like the TP does, and neither edition has page numbers entered for the contents; 5) Volume 5 HC has no cover artist, the page counts of each edition are different, and neither edition has page numbers entered for the contents, plus the viewable e-book on Amazon (never entered on ISFDB) says Five, not 5, in the title, so both editions probably have the wrong title. I may have missed something, but these are the problems I see, in case anyone chances across this message and can fix anything I've mentioned. EDIT: While there don't seem to be any eBay copies of this series with anything other than cover photos, I did find this: https://alligatortreegraphics.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/ybwf5.pdf, so Volume 5 clearly should be Five since this is either the TP or HC judging by the fact that the contents page has page numbers on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== John Stanley ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8752; John Stanley (2) has one art credit that probably belongs with first guy; either that or all of first guy's art credits belong with second guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:38, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon "S" Images ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5496611; This happens occasionally; any way to fix it so yellow warning doesn't happen? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:09, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Lift ==<br />
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https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/monsterkidclassichorrorforum/paperback-film-tie-ins-t6678-s400.html#p1352911; Been working my way through the great Tapatalk site's forums and this novelization is something I can't find much info about and covers don't really give anything like a price or ISBN, so I'm sure some of our Dutch friends can find something on the appropriate Dutch-language sites or maybe they own a copy; can't let a book about a KILLER ELEVATOR go un-entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:35, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Last Page ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?174481; Obscure edition of this book, page count entered with last page in brackets plus a note that it's unnumbered, Bluesman is the one who entered it that way and they're not around anymore, note search suggests that's the only note written in that style, so should it just be changed to 160? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:00, 28 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Ends of the Earth ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search.php?query=lucius%20shepard%20ends%20earth; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37111; Been adding a lot of Lucius Shepard Archive.org links, I entered the PB of the link above with no problem, TP has different ISBN on back cover which is probably the one that should be here because it comes after the HC, cover image is wrong as noted by someone, confusion with dates, etc. in case anyone knows more. I didn't add an edit to TP. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:03, 30 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Fourbodings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5501223; Rare book recently uploaded, but there are a number of annoying details which need answering. It's Edward Miller on copyright page but real name, Les Edwards, is on back flap, so which should take precedence; last story is much longer than the others and probably should be changed to a (short) novel; Lebbon's story is noted to have an incorrect title elsewhere but it's also incorrect here, having a comma that's not in the book, but it also appears in a collection of his so it may have a comma there; intro has a long subtitle which maybe should be part of the title here but it's written in a different font so may have been intended as a heading, and since starting page in the book only says introduction maybe page # should be 9 since that's where the actual intro title appears. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:25, 3 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:For author names, we generally go with the name as it appears on the title page. Which one appears there? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:17, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::I don't see anything in my note about an author name, just an artist name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:48, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Star Wars Newspaper Serialization ==<br />
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https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/monsterkidclassichorrorforum/paperback-film-tie-ins-t6678-s560.html#p1370004; Was this a real thing? If so, can newspaper serializations be entered here? I smell microfilm in the future. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:58, 3 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:Can't speak to whether it's real or not, but, yes, newspaper serializations are valid publications. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:31, 4 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Art of Richard Powers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298166; https://fantlab.ru/edition268163; I have a pending edit adding FantLab ID and noticed that while 1 photo has UK price on the front flap another has the USA/Canada prices stickered on the back cover, and the Canadian price is different than what's here. So if any PV is still active they may want to double-check their copies. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:02, 4 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Staehle/Staehla ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?544010; Note by someone about the signature; it's legible in the first photo here, https://fantlab.ru/edition208143, if you magnify it. Could it be this guy, https://www.noosfere.org/livres/auteur.asp?NumAuteur=2147191370, or this guy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Staehle, or someone else? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:09, 4 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Landis' Willy and Evans' Forsaken==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?417; I was doing a lot of edits for Ace anthologies edited by Dann and Dozois and everything was going pretty smoothly until this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=willy+in+t&type=All+Titles, where as so often happens a false variant was created, the name being Geoffrey A. Landis in Nanotech, not Geoffrey Landis, but the title also appears much later in an obscure poetry anthology. 2 PV of Nanotech PB are gone, PV of Nanotech HC is barely around, so merge/variant is needed if anyone wants to. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?94208; I almost missed their first anthology Unicorns! because the genius who uploaded it spelled editor's name DUZOIS; there's a problem with this one, too, in that the name is Bev Evans on contents page and story page but it's Beverly on ISFDB. Many editions, many PV, some here, some not, so if anyone wants to they can look into that and fix if needed. EDIT: I see that 2 PV of 1984 sixth printing did enter it as Bev and made it a variant of Beverly, but I'm guessing it's another false variant and should be Bev in all editions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:02, 5 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Performance issues -- 2022-12-06 ==<br />
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We are currently experiencing performance problems due to what appear to be robots rapid-firing requests at the server. I am looking into it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:13, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Duvic ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=duvic&type=Name; Patric is either an alternate name or it was entered wrong here, in case anyone knows, and Patrice has 2 Terminus entries so the "only appeared as" Hungarian edition is wrong, probably, because the title appeared in another edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:39, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Audiobook publications of shortfiction ==<br />
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When recording the audiobook editions of shortfiction, should the audiobook be a new publication under the shortfiction title or a new edition of the chapbook? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:04, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: An audiobook is merely another publication format. You handle the same way as if you were adding any other publication format. <br />
:# A CHAPBOOK title exists for this SHORTFICTION title. Simply clone an existing publication making the necessary changes.<br />
:# If there isn't an existing CHAPBOOK title, create one via Add New Chapbook.<br />
:[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:53, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:57, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== RSH ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rokeya&type=Name; Last 2 are likely the same person. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:04, 9 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:Alternate name created. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:10, 9 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Missing Flash Gordon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13912; No evidence of that, but this, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42357382-flash-gordon, is found at several places on the web. So whether 1982 edition qualifies to be here (might be a comic) or if Hirschfeld wrote his own version and, if not, whether it should be deleted is the question. Anyone know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:27, 11 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:I've never heard of that Burt Hirschfeld Flash Gordon, and I've been keeping a comics novelization/tie-in list for myself for decades. There's an Amazon entry (without a cover, as with all others like Open Library) dated 1973 instead of 1985, underlining its iffy nature.<br />
:That 1982 book riding the coattails of the movie is indeed a comics reprint, written by Bill Pearson and drawn by Ric Estrada, from King Comics' Flash Gordon #3 (January 1967)--a Goodreads reader review gives the story titles. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 10:42, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Archive Dead Links ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?398877; The copy's been removed from Archive.org; should link be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:54, 12 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I believe the link should be removed from web page field and the notes, at a minimum. updated to state the item has been removed from IA. The link could be moved into the pub notes for historical purposes if desired. But let's see what other editors think. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:14, 12 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::I like moving the link to the notes (without making it an anchor, and adding that it has been removed) as an expansion of the first bullet about the IA scan source. Retains the source identification while also helping avoid having someone else try in vain to hunt it down.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:51, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::OK, done. There's also a few WorldCat pages with different years so that may mean it was reissued or they were confused. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:22, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Lost World Date ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?364; I added/fixed info for omnibus Jurassic World, date on copyright page for Jurassic Park same as Wiki so I've added an edit changing the title date but Lost World says September 8 on Wiki but September 28 on copyright, so real day is needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:44, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Terrors ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8556; Someone just uploaded #4 HC (only PB was there before) and the highly elusive #1, which is very hard to find because listings on WorldCat and elsewhere confuse later volumes with the same title (which is why the OL page for #1 has dozens of Amazon and Better World Books links). So now all are available except #5. I think that TP is suspicious, having no contents and a different page count, so likely it was cancelled and the PB is the real edition; also, if anyone has a copy of any edition of #5 and can upload it that would make the series complete. I'm sure there's lots of ex-library copies over in GB but here in USA I don't think I've ever seen a real copy of any of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:32, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Problem With Web Pages ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5510604; I noticed something like this once before not too long ago; by adding the Blogspot article it seems to cancel 1 of the other web pages. Am I seeing this wrong or is this a problem that needs fixing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:26, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: No, see that it is there both with a plus and with a minus sign in front of it. That’s just different formatting - end of line, a space somewhere or something like that. It is either something added before some of the current fields cleanup operations which happen during saving were implemented or it is an artifact of how we compare values. In either case, as long as it is there as both a plus and a minus line, it is not getting lost - just formatted properly for how the DB wants it now. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 23:18, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Annie is correct: it's a display problem which occurs under certain circumstances. I have identified the root cause and I am about to start working on a fix. Thanks for reporting the problem. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: OK, I think I got it -- note how the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5510604 problematic submission] is displayed now. Please let me know if you come across any issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:42, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Picture Mommy Dead: In or Out? ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5496327 this submission] and questioned whether the novelization is speculative per our [[ISFDB:Policy#Definitions of Speculative Fiction|definitions]] based on the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picture_Mommy_Dead Wikipedia description] of the movie that is novelized. The submitter [[User talk:Username#Picture Mommy Dead|disagrees]]. I'm cross posting here to solicit additional opinions on whether this book is within our scope. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:08, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I am not familiar with the movie, but [https://www.allmovie.com/movie/picture-mommy-dead-v38089 AllMovie.com describes the plot thusly]:<br />
:* A young girl is deeply traumatized after she sees her mother burned to death in a house fire and spends the rest of her youth locked in a mental hospital. By the time she is released, her father has married a nasty woman who only wants his money. Knowing that the recently returned daughter is mentally unstable, the stepmom does all she can to drive the fragile girl over the edge.<br />
: It sounds like the horror is psychological -- as opposed to supernatural -- in nature. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:48, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: It doesn't really matter. The same mod rejected another novelization I tried to add recently because they said they've seen the movie and it had no "supernatural elements", so cancel this one, too. No big deal. A few rejections out of hundreds of edits is par for the course. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Lee Mandelo ==<br />
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I received a note from the editor of Interzone today concerning the canonical name for Brit/Lee Mandelo. Excerpt:<br />
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:''I'm writing today because the ISFDB entry for Lee Mandelo incorrectly cites their name as 'Brit Mandelo'. Lee Mandelo is listed as an 'alternate', but this does not reflect the reality of Lee Mandelo's life: they identify as Lee, now, not Brit''<br />
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I'll let you guys sort out what should be done (based on previous precedent and procedures). [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 23:09, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Lee Mandelo posted about this issue [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display on the Moderator Noticeboard earlier today]. The discussion is ongoing. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:14, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The New People ==<br />
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I'm just curious about something. I know since the big server move a lot of bots have been created and then deleted, but many others seem to be real people, I think. Was there some kind of online bulletin board or something encouraging new editors to join after the move? Is the new server more accessible than the old one was? I've probably seen more new names being created in the "recent changes" section over the last few months than I saw in the nearly 2 years I was here previously. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:04, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== House Carfax ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?31406; Just a heads up that someone's started uploading issues of this rare zine to Archive.org, much of the contents in the first 2 issues being dated movie reviews and articles with some TERRIBLE fiction included, but in the second issue is a short poem by Baudelaire, "Carcass", which doesn't exactly match any title here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1388597; I'm hoping they'll get to issue #3 because there's a story by Jack Pavey in that one that was nominated for a BFA, so once they stopped letting the editors include their own stories things obviously improved. There's also a Clive Barker interview that for some reason is in both #1 and #6 according to philsp.com (which calls one an article and the other an interview), and Barker's site shows both issue covers, so I made an edit changing the date to the original. I also think this zine eventually morphed into The Scream Factory judging by the several names who were involved with both. EDIT: #5 is on Dalby's site, https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/house-carfax-magazine-number-5-winter-1990, in case uploader never gets around to that issue; I don't see a signature on either cover but 1 of the artists on contents page has a story in the same issue but without his middle initial and the other has 1 interior art credit on ISFDB but with a ", II" after his name. EDIT: Issue #3 has been uploaded on 12/17; I hope when I get around to reading Pavey's award-nominated story it's better than the grade-school level illustration at the end of it. EDIT: Issue #4 is being processed as I write this and should be available soon; no interviews with famous writers, old poems or award-nominated stories in this one judging by the contents on philsp.com, just editors and their friends publishing stories nobody else would. EDIT: #5 is being processed (sorry, Mr. Dalby); another issue with nothing special and someone entered it (and #6) here long ago so I'm just going to add a link in an edit. EDIT: #6 is uploaded; adding a link. I think that's all the issues there were. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Astronaut's Wife ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?718009; Added Archive.org link in a pending edit, Rand Ravich was the writer/director but is credited for cover art here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?384335, cover of both novelization and this Italian publication are just the movie poster with the stars of the film, editors who entered the Italian publication in 2012 aren't around anymore, so what's to be done? I say Ravich should be removed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:52, 16 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Romanian Robocop ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/naha-ed.-robocop-scan; I'm guessing this one is pretty rare, the publisher not having any books listed on ISFDB, so if anyone fluent in Romanian would like to enter it. There's also this French edition, https://archive.org/details/robocop-1987-ed-naha-livre-scanne-francais, but the publisher has hundreds of books on ISFDB so it's probably common, but someone may want to enter it, anyway. It seems there are no English-language editions of Robocop on Archive.org. EDIT: https://archive.org/details/robocop20000naha; French edition of Robocop 2. At least with #2 there is a copy of the Jove edition on Archive.org, although it's a very ratty copy with stickers all over the covers; I will enter it. Thank you for your cooperation. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:59, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I've entered the Romanian and French editions for the first book. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:09, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Memory of Fire ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?23263; I added Archive.org links to both editions, price for HC was wrong (fixed) and artist is credited as Dinayer, PB has Dinyer which is his real name, search on the archive finds Dinayer only for that book and nothing else, only online site with Dinayer is this, http://www.otherchangeofhobbit.com/0001.html, so should note be made about wrong spelling or wrong name entered for HC and a variant made? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?21706; I added TP Archive.org link; 1 of those PB records should probably be deleted as redundant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:58, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Karine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=karine+d&type=Name; Same person, probably. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Site performance and title searches -- possible software solution ==<br />
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Site performance has been spiky recently -- one moment it's flawless and the next moment it takes 5-10+ seconds to load a simple Web page.<br />
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One of the main issues contributing to these performance problems is the fact that we have over 2 million title records. When you enter a word like "pulp" in the main Search box and select "All Titles" or "Fiction Titles", the database software has to scan 1-2+ million records to see which one contain the word "pulp" in the title field. The process can take a number of seconds depending on what else is happening at the same time.<br />
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To make matters worse, if a moderator happens to be approving a submission which affects a title record (even an unrelated title record) while the search is running, it will block not only the approval process, but also ''all'' other users who are trying to run title searches or display titles-related Web pages (which is to say most of them.) In the meantime, other requests -- searches, page display requests, approvals -- pile up in our database's internal queue. Once the original search finishes and the approval is processed, the next search is executed, which can also take a few seconds and that can result in a collision with the next approval process and so on. Things can really pile up.<br />
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The obvious solution would be to add a "Match Type" drop-down box to the "Search" section and change its ''default'' behavior from "find records which contain the entered string" to "find records which are exactly like the entered string". It would still ignore upper/lower case, so a search on 'jane doe' would find 'Jane Doe'. It would also check exact transliterated values. Users who need to do a "contains" search could then change the drop-down value from "exact" to "contains". We could also add another drop-down value, "starts with", which is much faster than "contains".<br />
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The main issue with this solution is that some users may need the "contains" functionality most of the time, which would require them to change the selected "Match Type" value repeatedly and slow them down. One possible approach would be to make "exact" vs. "contains" a user-defined option. That way users who use "contains" all the time could set it to be their default. Also, since it's primarily ''title'' searches that cause performance problem, we could change the default value just for them, but I can't think of a way to do it without causing confusion.<br />
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Thoughts? Ideas? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:10, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Switching to a default "exact" will make our search almost useless IMO - people don't always remember if the title starts with "the" or want to type a long title (or even remember it) when it contains a word which will find the title quickly enough. And as Advanced Search requires an account, that will aggravate things even more (while accounts are free, a search requiring an account makes some people a bit wary sometimes). Adding a dropdown may help with pure bot searches (until the bot learns to use the proper mode anyway). <br />
: Full text search is always going to be an expensive operation. Maybe some indices can help a bit... <br />
: On the other hand, we do need to do something - the servers seem to get hit more and more with these long requests - which makes it almost impossible to use the DB at times... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:13, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I keep forgetting that the recent server upgrade also updated the database engine from 5.0 to 8.0. Version 8.0 has much more robust support for "full-text" searches. I'll need to do more research to determine what the new options are. Thanks for jogging my memory. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:53, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Wheatley Omnibus ==<br />
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I've moved info over to the single novel, using Dalby's copy instead of FantLab because it has more photos and inscriptions, but I don't really want to delete this one because I think editor who entered it got confused and meant to make this the Octopus omnibus of Wheatley's novels, https://www.worldcat.org/title/60070877, so if anyone would like to convert it or something. A few people worked on it previously and there's a verification, so I'm not sure why nobody ever noticed something was wrong with it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:18, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Marian Wood ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281433; I added Marian Wood to publisher for a Henry Holt book and searched notes, finding some people added it, too, while others noted it only; none of the Holt books had it in the publisher while some G.P. Putnam's had it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?33246, and others didn't. I've tried to standardize them all, but this one, which I replaced the cover image for in a pending edit, is the only one not on Archive.org (correct cover on OL leads to different edition) and neither PV is really active, so whenever my Marian Wood edits are finally approved if anybody remembers they can decide to change this one, too, so all books are under the same publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:56, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mapping the Beast ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?706465; I believe this is another of the MANY Prime books which were announced and then cancelled over the years; an 8888-00-00 may be needed unless someone can find evidence it was released somewhere. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:07, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Turner? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?157242; http://www.bewilderingstories.com/bios/turner_jm_bio.html; that story is not by the dead artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:25, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Philsp Problem ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=info+from%3A+http%3A%2F%2Fwww.philsp.com%2Fhomeville; I had an issue with a mod about the link I provided in the notes for a story from Philsp not pointing to the same place as it did when I added the link a short time ago; it seems that site constantly updates and stuff gets moved around to other pages. Luckily, I write my notes in a specific style and so that search linked above has found what is likely most of them, although it's possible in my earlier days I wrote them a bit differently so there might be a few others, who knows. Anyway, I have neither the patience or the will to fix any of them, my effort in finding them in the first place being a waste of time now, so I give my permission to anyone who cares to remove the dead links and enter something else, or nothing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:10, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Lands Beyond ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Lands_Beyond; Re: this discussion, if anybody can determine which edition the Archive.org copy is then they can respond here and I will add the link myself to that edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:23, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Slesar Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?690; 2021 Archive.org copies of 1978 Doubleday and 1st Avon of 100 Great Science Fiction Short Short Stories, I added links to both, also added month to Asimov intro but there are 4 stories that have 1978 dates that are likely original because they're not in the copyright section, many PV so someone can look into that and decide whether to change their months to that of the original edition, more important is Henry Slesar's stories, he wrote one of those annoying "omnibus" stories in Playboy in 1960 which was under 1 title, After: Four Fables of the Post-Bomb World, but each fable had a different title, After is in many books but it's unclear whether they all reprinted all 4 fables, it also has a variant title of "Doctor" but that's wrong because that's the title of one of the vignettes and is in the same 100 Great... anthology, mentioned above, that "After" is supposedly also in but that's also wrong because there's nothing titled After, it just included 3 of the 4 fables separately, there's also a 1981 German "Doctor" on ISFDB which was never made a variant of the original, 1 fable, "Merchant", has a 1978 date on ISFDB as if it's original, and another, "Lawyer", says it only appeared in Russian. So, if anyone wants to, they can sort out that mess. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:48, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ordering of Moorcock's Elric Books ==<br />
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I'd like to change the numbering of Michael Moorcock's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?644 The Elric Saga]. We do not number it in publication order, nor do I think we should. As far as I can tell, we seem to have the series numbered by internal chronology of the six books that were published by the 1970s. Any books published after that are added after the first six in publication order. Finally, there is a graphic story that it tacked on the end of the series. To be fair, that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?10221 title] was not marked as graphic until this morning when I did so based on its entry in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102980 The Tanelorn Archives] and the Amazon listing of its 1997 edition. With the publication of a new Elric book this December, I believe that we should number the series by internal chronology and while I think we can leave the comic book in the series, I wouldn't assign it a number. This is how we treat short stories that have either been collected or not. I would suggest that we number the series as:<br />
#''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?6123 Elric of Melniboné]''<br />
#''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1907 The Fortress of the Pearl]''<br />
#''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1275 The Sailor on the Seas of Fate]''<br />
#''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?25333 The Weird of the White Wolf]''<br />
#''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3102872 The Citadel of Forgotten Myths]''<br />
#''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?186981 The Sleeping Sorceress]''<br />
#''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1309 The Revenge of the Rose]''<br />
#''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?28394 The Bane of the Black Sword]''<br />
#''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?6124 Stormbringer]''<br />
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Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:11, 26 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I am thinking that we should probably organize the original (1961-1964) stories, which are currently listed within the main series, as a separate sub-series.<br />
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: I am afraid I don't have an opinion re: the best way to order the main series since I gave up on it decades ago. All I recall is that the series order was messy because Moorcock kept tweaking things. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:16, 26 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Not hearing any objections, I'm going to go ahead and proceed with the numbering change for the collections/novels. I should have mentioned that for all of them except the recent book, they are collected in various omnibus editions which make the numbering clear. Audible inserts the new book between the two recently published omnibus editions. I'm reading the new novel now and this fits as it contains the character Moonglum who is first introduced in ''The Weird of the White Wolf''. I'll also adjust the content on the omnibus titles. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:53, 30 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Printing field for publications ==<br />
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Not sure if this is already a feature request, but it would be extremely helpful to have a "Printing" field that showed up when viewing all of the publications of a particular title. For some (like ''The Fellowship of the Ring'') that have a ton of printings, it would make finding the specific printing entry a lot easier when trying to verify a publication. Currently, you have to pull up multiple publication entries until you find the one you're looking for (since the printing information is in the Notes). Thoughts? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:06, 27 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: We have discussed this issue a few times. The latest iteration of the discussion resulted in {{FR|794}}, "Add 'Printing number' and "Printing # Details" fields to pub records". The Description field says:<br />
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:* Add 'Printing number' and "Printing # Details" fields to publication records. The first field should be strictly numeric, allowing values like "1", "3" or "27". It will be displayed as a new column in the standard Publication table. It will be used for sorting publications that have the same publication date and publisher within it.<br />
:* The second field will allow arbitrary values like "stated fourth Ace printing but actually at least the 6th printing because Ace reset its printing numbers at some point". The value, if present, will be displayed in a mouse-over bubble next to the numeric Printing Number value. (See http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive48#.22Printing_Number.22_field_--_an_alternative_approach for further discussion.)<br />
: The Discussion section of the FR talks about various related issues, e.g.:<br />
:* The main problem that I have run into is that the definition of "printing" can be vague. A popular book which has been published by multiple publishers using multiple formats can easily have half a dozen "first" printings: "first printing of the Dutton edition", "first printing of the Ace paperback edition", "first printing of the Italian edition", etc. If a title is associated with 6 "first printing" publications published over the course of 20 years, sorting them by their "printing" number would create a mess. In addition, some publishers (like Ace in the 1980s) occasionally reset printing numbers, which creates a difference between "stated printing" and "actual printing".<br />
: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:23, 27 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: (after resolving edit conflict) We have this discussion once a year or so since I had been around :) I absolutely agree - we need that to be visible in the publications list under a title. The usual pebble that derails the conversation is an attempt to formalize what we allow in that field and how to represent things. A text field will do (with guidelines and maybe a check that it starts with a number or contains only a number). One interesting usecase to think of is when the same publisher has 2 editions with undated printings - then you have 2 4th printings which are otherwise the same and you need the notes to separate the two but even then, I am fine with just “4” in the field/list and that would still be better than the current situation. If we can use that field as a secondary sort as well (despite being weird as it will get the undated editions sorted based on that field only, it will still be better than what we have now and make it easier to find if we have that book), it will be even better. Plus it will solve the issue with 2 printing in the same year (with only year). But I’d take it without the sorting as well - just making it visible will be a huge step ahead for usability for books with a lot of printings. It will also show a newish editor and user very clearly that we have separate listings for each printing. :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:33, 27 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Well, if we are going to add a check to make sure that the entered value "contains only a number", then we might as well make the database field numeric, which will simplify sorting.<br />
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:: I guess we could start by implementing a single numeric "Printing number" field, use it for a few weeks/months and then decide whether we need a complementary "Printing # description" field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:16, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Server downtime at 5pm (2022-12-27) ==<br />
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I will be taking the server down for maintenance at 5pm server (Eastern) time. I expect it to be down for less than 30 minutes as I tweak server settings and build a new index to improve performance. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:26, 27 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The server is back up. This was just Step 1 of a two-step process and any performance improvements that you may see should be marginal. The second step is what should speed up title searches -- and, indirectly, all ISFDB Web pages which retrieve title records -- dramatically. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 27 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Around 7:30 PM I got a message saying that partial title searches won't work anymore and have to be done from advanced title search from now on. Is this the improvement you mentioned? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 27 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, it's the downside of the performance enhancements that I mentioned in the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Title_Search_performance_improvements_are_now_live announcement] which I posted a few minutes ago. We must have cross-posted. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:46, 27 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Title Search performance improvements are now live ==<br />
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The "All Titles"/"Fiction Titles" search performance improvements which [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Site_performance_and_title_searches_--_possible_software_solution we discussed last week] are now live. "All Titles" and "Fiction Titles" searches should be significantly faster and should no longer cause the rest of the site to freeze for a number of seconds.<br />
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The only downside is that regular title searches are now limited to "complete words". As the All Titles/Fiction Titles Search results page says:<br />
* Note that All Titles and Fiction Titles searches are now limited to complete words for performance reasons. If you want to search for a substring, e.g. 'kenstein' in 'Frankenstein', you will need to use Advanced Title Search.<br />
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Note that you can still search for "of Frankenstein", "Frankenstein and the" and other combinations of words.<br />
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Please let me know if you come across any issues. Database performance is a tricky thing and it's always possible that fixing one problem only uncovers another, but things look promising at the moment. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:44, 27 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I have created and processed a few hundred Fixer submissions to see how well the system performs post-fix. Everything runs much faster with hardly any delays. System level tools also show that average system load has dropped by a factor of 5+. The only time the approval process struggles is when a submission creates or deletes a bunch of author records, e.g. an anthology with half a dozen previously unknown-to-ISFDB authors. I'll need to look into it at some point, but other than that things look good. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:43, 29 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Wesson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165661; Should probably be an alternate name for the author, Paul Wesson, since it's his name written backwards. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Pierard SF Anthology ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/astoundinggalaxyoffutureifs; I came across this randomly while looking up David Bunch; John Pierard has ISFDB art credits, his brother Matt is mentioned in notes, but this thing isn't on ISFDB. Maybe somebody can do something with it if it qualifies to be here (it's got some art, too); last page mentions a completely unrelated book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:39, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?927391 Done]! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:42, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Six Ghost Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?962266; I did stuff in a pending edit for the Ash-Tree edition and noticed his full name is on the title page, like the original edition, so T.G. Jackson shouldn't really be the name for anything here, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:18, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:The ebook version of Six Ghost Stories uses T. G. Jackson on the title page per Amazon Look Inside. I will make the necessary changes for the hc edition. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:45, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
The original edition has the same abbreviations after his name on the title page as the Ash-Tree HC, as seen in the Archive link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:32, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:Updated. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:48, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Steve Moore Books ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1323144; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5524330; After adding an Archive.org 2nd printing of Moore's novelization of V For Vendetta I also added Somnium, but as can be seen in my pending edit stuff needed fixing. The e-book from nthposition (only book by them on ISFDB) doesn't seem to exist anymore and says Alan Moore wrote the intro while the edition I edited says afterword (which is correct) and there's not much info online about the revised edition, although WorldCat's page count is way different, totally wrong page counts being a common problem when editors here enter info from Amazon. So after mine is approved if anyone can track down the other editions and fix/merge. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:34, 29 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ziel ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5525956; There doesn't seem to be any mention of this anywhere on the web, not even here, http://lynn-munroe-books.com/list62/Ziel_checklist9/Ziel_checklist9.htm, so I may have found something unique here. I was actually editing different editions of Lawrence Sanders' novel Dark Summer and noticed this similarly-titled Koontz book, one of the old gothics he never allowed to be reprinted, and saw ZIEL in the grass. This seems to be a very rare book and on some online covers you can barely see it but on the ISFDB cover, if you magnify it, I see it. ISFDB credits Ziel with, among others, 2 Lancer covers with a similar art style. Am I crazy? Does anyone own this book? no matter how clear an online photo is, nothing beats physical material you can shove up to your eyeballs if you need to make something out. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5525973; Another one, although this has been known since 2013 at least according to an update on the Ziel site (not known on this site, though) and was not found by me (damn it). Many PV, at least a couple still active, so I'm sure if they have some possible objection to this they'll chime in here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:13, 30 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== AULD LANG SYNE ==<br />
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https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41tIAZhOp0L.jpg. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:32, 31 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Happy New Year to all readers and bibliographers of speculative fiction (including Fixer)! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:38, 31 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: All the best for you all from this side of the lake, too! I hope 2023 is going to get better than 2022 (moving towards peace on the contintents). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:06, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Looking for one book. ==<br />
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Hello. I am Looking for one book. I only remember the beginning of the piece. Some guy found a derelict computer, sat down at it and started doing something, and then he saw a man with a gun walk up to the desk, they looked at each other in silence for a while, then the guy mechanically pressed the Enter button and the man shot him back. The work was read in the 1990s or very early 2000s. The piece appeared no later than the 1990s (probably earlier). I also remember that the guy was doing something enthusiastically on the computer: at first he typed without looking at the screen, but the message on the computer monitor made him do his work more slowly and carefully. The phrases went something like this. The message on the computer screen made him work more carefully. Behind the desk stood a man with a gun in his hand. The guy had never seen a real gun, except in the movies, but he knew immediately what it was. The guy's hand dropped mechanically to the Enter button, and the same second the black muzzle of the gun burst into flames, ending his life. Thank you in advance. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 01:23, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Nothing comes to mind, I am afraid. There are a couple of Reddit forums that may be worth a shot: [https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/ Tip of My Tongue], which handles all types of media, and [https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/ PrintSF], which specializes in printed speculative fiction. The Usenet group [https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written rec.arts.sf.written] may be another place to check. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:49, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Sadly. Thank you. Wrote in the first and third place, in the second they require 2 days from the date of registration. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 15:05, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Another possible place to check is [https://community.abebooks.com/s/forum-topic-results?language=en_US&topicId=0TO3n0000003yS1GAI&type=Community%20Forum Book Sleuth] on the AbeBooks site. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:09, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I've updated the [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|ISFDB FAQ]] with a section containing the above links. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:14, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Thank you, I wrote. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 05:02, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I wrote: 1. [https://community.abebooks.com/s/question/0D53n000092akFOCAY/a-guy-gets-into-an-unattended-computer-and-gets-killed-with-a-gun-for-it-a-detective-or-maybe-a-thriller?language=en_US&topicId=0TO3n0000003yS1GAI Book Sleuth], [https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/comments/1046dwp/tomtmovie2000sa_guy_gets_into_an_unattended/?sort=new tipofmytongue], [https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/105spj3/looking_for_one_book/ printSF] and [https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written/c/4p_Z6o_Uc38?pli=1 rec.arts.sf.written]. Where else to write? --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 06:58, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title Merge -- post-submission pages enhanced ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for Title Merge submissions have been enhanced. They now correctly display embedded HTML and properly link to third party Web sites. Displayed field names are now more meaningful. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:52, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Award Editor -- post-submission pages enhanced ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for Edit Award submissions have been enhanced. They now link to the main Award Type page for the award's type, correctly display embedded HTML and link to IMDB where applicable. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:52, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Request Currey check (print, 1979) ==<br />
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''The Body Snatchers'' (1955) publication record {{p|211333}}, primarily by User:Bluesman who is no longer with us, implies that Currey is the source for cover artist "Stuart Treslian". That reference should be to print [[Reference:Currey]] rather than the L. W. Currey website, which does not name Stuart T nor any cover artist in current descriptions of two copies ([https://www.lwcurrey.com/pages/books/129296/jack-finney-walter-braden-finney/the-body-snatchers one at US$4500]).<br />
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Spelling "Stuart Tresilian" may be expected. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Tresilian Stuart T at Wikipedia]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:04, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:The entry for this book in Currey is not the source for the cover artist, and doesn't ordinarily provide the cover artist in the entries. I'm certain that [[Reference:Currey|the reference]] is what [[User:Bluesman|Bill]] was referring to in the note. However, I believe he was only indicating that Currey stated that there was no statement of printing. You may also find [[Reference:Verification Sources|this chart]] helpful. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:15, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks. Layout supports your interpretation.<br />
:: That chart of ISFDB Verification Sources will be useful. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:03, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fiction series(?): Body Snatchers, The; Invasion of, The ==<br />
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We have 1955 T{{t|437}} and rewritten 1978 T{{t|186595}} versions of this Jack Finney novel, as distinct parent titles with multiple variants (some under shared titles), presumably because the rewrite has been judged "great enough" (DO NOT MERGE, Mhhutchins, 2008-12-13).<br />
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Those need some linkage. (I will need to re-revise the former parent Title note, item 2.) I suggest a Series containing numbered versions 1 and 2. Is there any reason not to link them by a fiction series, rather than multiple cross-reference links? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:16, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New Publication -- post-submission page in the process of being updated ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for "New Publication" submissions are currently in the process of being updated. The first patch was installed a few minutes ago. It tweaked the way the "Title" section is displayed.<br />
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Upgrading the software behind this Web page is a delicate process because some of it is shared with other post-submission pages like "Clone Publication". It will take a few patches to get everything updated. In the meantime, if you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:15, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: It does look a little jarring without a label at the top of the first table but I will wait to see where that ends before complaining about it properly. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:30, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Oh, one thing - html in the Moderator notes is not resolving. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5540454 example] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Investigating... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:05, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: OK, the missing header ("Title Data") has been resurrected and "Note to Moderator" has been changed to display HTML correctly. All previously upgraded post-submission pages had the same HTML display issue, but it didn't become obvious until NewPub was upgraded since Fixer uses HTML in moderator notes. Thanks for reporting the problems! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:32, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: Looks good now. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:16, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) The "Title" section has been further enhanced for AddPub submissions. It now displays all field values for the title record that the new pub is about to be attached to. It doesn't include reviews, tags, a link to the parent title (if there is one), variants or other fancy things that the regular Title page displays, but it's a lot more data than what was displayed before the change. The new format also has a new section header, "Automerge title data", which hopefully makes it easier to tell that the submission is an AddPub and not a NewPub. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:52, 14 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The "Publication Metadata" section has been updated to display embedded HTML tags correctly and to allow multiple warnings per field. A few yellow warnings have been tweaked and I plan another pass to upgrade the rest of them once I update ClonePub, Import/Export and EditPub to use the same software. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:32, 17 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I suppose that "Post-submission pages" include "Approved ..." among others. Approved New Publication; Approved ClonePub; Approved Publication Update --all retain(?) link label "New record:" in the footer. Approval timestamp 2023-01-17 21:28:23 for the mildly offending PubUpdate. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:09, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?928677 this recently created pub]'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?928677 Edit History], I see that the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527716 NewPub submission] which created it links to the new record at the bottom of the page, which is as it should be. The subsequent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527989 PubUpdate submission] also says "New record" and links to it even though it's no longer a new record.<br />
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::: It looks like it's an old bug introduced back when Edit History was implemented a couple of years ago. {{Bug|824}} has been created -- thanks for identifying it! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:14, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: It should be fixed now. Thanks again. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:36, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Looking for a sci-fi title ==<br />
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Hello everyone, I am looking for the title and author of a SF short story (or novel) in which a NASA-type company sends chronically unlucky people to unknown planets. Since these people are dogged by ill luck, the company figures they will encounter all the problems there are : monsters, eruptions, and so on. And that will be a good way to prepare for the planets’ exploration. Does anybody happen to know, by any chance, the title or/and author of this story ? Yves Lavandier {{unsigned2|07:15, January 18, 2023 |Yves Lavandier}}<br />
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: I have no recollection of a plot like this. Can you perhaps give a line of time it might have been published in? (It sounds more like a classic plot: 1940s to 1950s, I'd say). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:15, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:You can try one of the resources listed [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|here]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:33, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Sounds like the plot of Robert Sheckley's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?46023 The Minimum Man]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 14:07, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Annals of Klepsis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2779; https://archive.org/details/annalsofklepsis0000laff; Active verifiers, look at this, it's got stuff crossed/whited out on front and back covers, a pasted string of numbers on copyright page, etc. Alternate edition or something, maybe, if anyone wants to enter it. It was added in Feb. 2021, just after the last PV. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5547100; This was uploaded in April 2021; I made an attempt at entering it ("borrowing" the phrasing of the price info from other records on ISFDB) but I'm sure editors who enter French books regularly can add some stuff after my edit is approved. I notice someone named AlainLeBris did a lot of them; is he still editing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: AlainLeBris's last activity date is 2022-01-22, almost a year ago. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:03, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Silverberg's "We, the Marauders" and "Invaders from Earth" ==<br />
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Silverberg's 1958 novella, {{T|67050|name=We, the Marauders}}, came out a few months earlier than his 1958 novel {{T|2798|name=Invaders from Earth}}, although they are basically the same story. As such, it has often been viewed (including in our records) that the novella came first, and was then expanded into the novel. In a post yesterday on the FictionMagsIndex mailing list, Silverberg corrects that impression, writing:<br><br />
"After 65 years I don't have a clear recollection of how the changes in INVADERS FROM EARTH came about. I do recall that I wrote the book for Don Wollheim at Ace and then offered it to Bob Lowndes, whose pulp magazine SCIENCE FICTION QUARTERLY could handle long stories. The title "We, the Marauders" on the magazine version was Lowndes', though I liked it. I don't recall whether he or I did the cutting, or how the changes in plot came about. The Ace version was the original one, though."<br><br />
I have updated the title notes to both the novella and the novel to reflect this information. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 13:08, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: (I reviewed those Title notes but don't know the story.) I submitted update, and noted "hold for User: Chavey", of the NOVEL note as "the same story" ==> "nearly the same story" ... "and the cuts create a different resolution to the main character's personal story." The latter information, from the novella Title note, seems too important to omit from either one. Also I showed strong approval of the paragraph break by replicating it here for the novel, which unfortunately creates a mass of text in the "Differences".<br />
: I would have named the "writer's blog" that is also the "FictionMagsIndex mailing list", if I understand correctly. I won't make the call that it belongs in the Notes but hope you will identify it here with a link. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:53, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ohioana Book Award ==<br />
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Here's another award I found. It's not a specifically genre award, but there are genre winners regularly appearing in its list of winners. [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/past-award-winners/ Main list], [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/other-awards/ additional list], [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/ general info]. They appear to be all juried awards, given out since the early 1940s.<br />
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List of categories:<br />
*Fiction<br />
*Nonfiction<br />
*Middle Grade & Young Adult Literature<br />
*Juvenile Literature<br />
*Poetry<br />
*About Ohio (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Walter Rumsey Marvin Grant (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Readers’ Choice Award (the only non-juried award)<br />
*Alice Louise Wood Award<br />
*Anniversary Award<br />
*Award of Merit<br />
*Career Award<br />
*Citation Award<br />
*Editorial Excellence<br />
*Head Award<br />
*Krout Poetry<br />
*Ohio Favorite Author (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Ohio Favorite Book (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Pegasus Award<br />
*Sesquicentennial Award<br />
*Ohioana Fellowship<br />
*Ohio Favorite Book<br />
*Ohio Favorite Author<br />
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I can enter them once they're created. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:13, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I am not sure how many of their categories have SF awards, but I have found at least a few genre authors: Andre Norton, Lois McMaster Bujold, Virginia Hamilton. If there are no objections, I can create a new award type, which will let moderators create categories as needed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:01, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yup, that's pretty much along the lines of what I found. Edward Eager is in there, too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:00, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Done. It's our [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?100 100th Award Type]! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::An auspicious beginning, to be sure. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:12, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Took a while, but I think all of them are entered now. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?100 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:35, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== S.E.P. SF ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29174; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363483; Likely these 2 records are for the same book, but each contains info the other doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:39, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I agree. I've merged everything to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363483 this one]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:13, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon cover images in publication records ==<br />
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[1] Given some stable image file.jpg under "images/I" at Amazon, do we have any reason to prefer one of the addresses https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/ and https://m.media-amazon.com/ ? Is it valuable to change our URL from one to the other, upon noticing an address change at the Amazon product page?<br />
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[2] Do we have any reason to prefer linking a cover image at Amazon or linking one at Open Library? If not in general, then a match with stated printing number, available via "Look inside" at Amazon or "Preview" at Open Library but not both, is one attractive criterion. Image quality is another. Most recently I chose to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5545586 link m-media-amazon.com] rather than [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL28305950M/The_particular_sadness_of_lemon_cake Open Library OL28305950M] because the latter image looks "too dark" to me. (Only now I see that "Preview" reveals a 9th printing, and Amazon UK/US provide no "Look inside".) <br />
<br>--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:56, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Amazon: Either works and points to the same place for EVERY image. If we discover that one of the spaces is discontinued, we can swap them programmatically but for the time being, either can be used (ebooks usually use the media one these days; paper books can use the images-na). As long as the ID at the end is the same, the two domains are identical for all intents and purposes and will always show the same image.<br />
: As for the OL/Amazon - both are stable (As long as it is an /I/ image in Amazon so use whichever looks better and is of better quality overall. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:37, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clone/Export/Import -- post-submission page updated ==<br />
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The "Publication Data" section of the post-submission review page for Clone/Export/Import submissions has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:02, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Author Photo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?71; I did some Clive Barker book edits recently and, as far as I can recall, his photo was broken because it was from one of those sites that don't display HTTP images correctly after our server move (or possibly it was just a bad photo and I decided to replace it), so I substituted a color photo from FantLab of Barker in his library that's very recent judging by his appearance, which is not very pleasant these days due to all his medical problems. Today I randomly came across his page again and saw that someone replaced that with a different photo that's not only in black-and-white but very old judging by his youthful appearance, plus it has one of those long WEBP URL's Amazon was using for a while recently. Is there any way to see a history of who edits author records? I'd like to know who changed it. I'm going to re-replace it with the FantLab photo and hopefully it will stay that way this time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Author records do have Edit History information on file, but only moderators can access it. The reason is that our [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Data_Deletion_Policy data deletion policy] lets living authors request removal of ''biographical'' (as opposed to ''bibliographic'') data from their author records. Making authors' Edit History publicly available would defeat the purpose of the policy.<br />
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: In this case the change was made by [[User:Stonecreek]] in submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527111 5527111] on 2023-01-01. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Stonecreek, you say? What a shock. Anyway, my edit is pending to change it back. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:40, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::In order to prevent a continuing edit war, I've put the further edit on hold. Could [[User:Username|Username]] and [[User:Stonecreek|Christian]] as well as any other editors with an opinion on which image should be used please come to an agreement here before we further churn the author image? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:21, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: My opinion is a recent image, like the one I added from FantLab seems to be (they have 2 others which are old and B&W), is better because he doesn't look anything like he did in his heyday when he was rather handsome. However, if someone feels like they really need to see an overly bright B&W photo from decades ago on his ISFDB page, so be it. Maybe after he's dead (which may be soon judging by his appearance these days) perhaps a recent photo will be more appropriate then. I doubt I'll be around to add it, but maybe someone else will. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:34, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: There were two reasons for me to change the image: the first is the more handsome look (I do think that we should aim to have no images that would possibly intimidate an author or his/her readers), the second that Amazon seems to be more stable & is somewhat more official. I could live with the other image but do fear that it would lead towards users escaping Barker's summary page as fast as one could. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:48, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Pending edit's been sitting in my list for a long time so I just cancelled it. I did, however, make another edit today (pending) replacing the ancient Ramsey Campbell B&W photo on ISFDB with a recent color one on Amazon of him in all his chubby glory, so one Brit horror writer falls, another rises. It's hard to say who looks more unhealthy these days, Barker or Campbell. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:39, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Australasian Horror ==<br />
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https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ahwa-competition-past-winners/; I was doing some edits for the first issue of Hub Magazine and 1 of the stories by Liam Rands was an honorable mention for this award (he won for another story the next year); there was discussion here recently about awards so this may be something someone would want to enter. Awards are still going as of 2022. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:39, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Interesting. It looks like the Australasian Horror Writers Association has two separate/parallel projects:<br />
:* [https://australasianhorror.com/australian-shadows-awards/award-entry-rules/ The Australian Shadows Award] with the usual menagerie of categories like "short story", "novel", "novellete/novella", "collection", etc.<br />
:* [https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ The AHWA Robert N Stephenson Flash Fiction & Short Story Competition], which has two categories for ''unpublished'' horror stories:<br />
:** ''Flash Fiction'': Stories up to 1000 words in length<br />
:** ''Short Story'': Stories from 1001 to 7500 words.<br />
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: We already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?68 the Australian Shadows Award listed], but we don't cover "The AHWA Robert N Stephenson Flash Fiction & Short Story Competition" at this time. One thing to note is that the latter is a true "competition" in the tradition of pulp magazines. To quote their [https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ rules page]:<br />
:* The winner in each category will receive an engraved plaque and the winning stories will appear in Midnight Echo, and receive the pay rate commensurate with that edition.<br />
: Runner-ups presumably benefit by being able to claim that their stories were "runner-ups" when they try to sell them to other markets.<br />
: This is a bit unusual, but we do have precedent for including awards given to unpublished texts -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?57 Prix Jean Ray], which is given to "Best unpublished fantasy text by a Belgian writer".<br />
: Thoughts? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:59, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::I'd support adding it. Some of the more prestigious Japanese SF awards are contests where the winner(s) get publishing contracts (as do some of the runners up, often). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:11, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: If there is no objection, I will create a new Award Type tomorrow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:59, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: A new award type and two award categories [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?101 have been created]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:58, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::: Jusges?--[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Fixed, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:51, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nick Fox/Bantock Cover ==<br />
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https://books.google.com/books?id=GDPwBhpEtAIC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=shadrach&f=false; Nick Bantock's art book The Artful Dodger includes a Silverberg cover, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1139072, which is credited to a studio (and back cover seen online does credit it to that studio) but he says he did it under his Nick Fox name. So what to do? Also, Google Books copy seems to be a 2nd printing of the Chronicle Books edition on ISFDB and there's a Canadian edition from Raincoast on Archive.org which isn't on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:49, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Inter-author collections of speculative drama ==<br />
Good afternoon, everyone. Are there inter-author collections (Anthology, Almanac) of speculative drama? Thank you in advance. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 02:48, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30649 "Six Science Fiction Plays"] anthology, edited by Roger Elwood, Washington Square Press, 1976, ISBN 0-671-48766-3. <br />
:* [http://borealispress.com/BookDetail/rid/913/New%20Canadian%20Drama%20Vol.%208 "New Canadian Drama Vol. 8: Speculative Drama: Roswell, Eden's Moon, Alien Bait"] edited by Scott Kesi Duchesne, Borealis Press, 2002, ISBN 978-0-88887-265-4. <br />
: --[[User:Zlogorek|Zlogorek]] ([[User talk:Zlogorek|talk]]) 11:01, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::* Thank you so much, are there more examples? --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 13:40, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Edit Pub -- post-submission page updated ==<br />
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The Metadata (i.e. top) section of the post-submission review page for Edit Publication submissions has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:02, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Bloch Book Duplicate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1941501; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551231; I started to enter the HC edition, mentioned in the note by the PV, using FantLab's copy but decided to check further and it's already on ISFDB; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?30351. Both HC and TP were entered many years earlier so I guess nobody checked first before approving PV submission. I've made a (pending) edit adding ID, full cover and cover design note to the HC, but there's a problem. PV did a lot of work entering the contents, which nobody did for the 2 records entered earlier, but he got the format wrong and entered it as a collection instead of non-fiction (it has both fiction and non-fiction, so who knows). So some more astute people here should decide what to do, which to keep, possible merges, etc. I'll leave a brief note on PV page about this; they're still active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I still have the TP handy if you want to point me in the right direction. Still mostly a novice at this. I appreciate this resource and like to contribute how I can. [[User:Fenrix1958|Fenrix1958]] ([[User talk:Fenrix1958|talk]]) 21:10, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for responding so quickly. I randomly came across the Bloch book you entered and thought I'd enter the HC edition you mentioned in your note since FantLab has many photos of it, but I found it hard to believe that nobody ever entered it, and after checking further I found both HC and TP editions which, judging by edit history, were entered in the very early days of public editing here. Yours was in 2015, so I'm not sure why a moderator approved it when it already existed and had the same ISBN, but the problem is that you actually did the hard work of entering the numerous contents, unlike the others, but didn't enter the month, made it a PB instead of a TP, made it a collection with Bloch as author instead of non-fiction with Matheson and Mainhardt as editors (I'm not even sure what's correct because it includes Bloch stories but also essays from many other people about Bloch, so anthology, maybe?). So I was wanting people who, unlike me, have been doing this for a very long time to chime in and suggest what should be done because your hard work shouldn't go to waste, but several different people made edits for the edition you didn't enter so it wouldn't be right to just delete that. I've been editing for just over 2 years but am rapidly losing interest due to a variety of reasons, so I won't be of much help to you, I'm afraid; I just do simple stuff these days. Someone else will respond shortly, I'm sure, and this will be resolved soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:03, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::This is the most relevant section of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type|the help]]:<br />
::::''NONFICTION. This type should be used for books that are predominantly or completely non-fiction. This includes book-length works of non-fiction or books containing essays by one or more authors. A publication that contains both non-fiction and fiction should be typed by that which is predominant. A single work of fiction in an Isaac Asimov essay collection does not make it a COLLECTION. A book of fiction (NOVEL, COLLECTION, or ANTHOLOGY) containing a generous, but not predominate, amount of non-fiction, such as introductions, essays, and other non-fiction works, should not be typed as NONFICTION. Mixtures of fiction and non-fiction are more usually found in magazines than they are in books, so the question does not often arise.''<br />
:::I'd wait a bit to see if there are any opposing viewpoints, but it looks to me like the book is '''''predominantly''''' the Bloch stories and poem, and most of the essays are introductions to those works. However, it also has more -- and a wider range of -- essays than we would normally see as supplemental material in a typical collection. So it strikes me as a book assembling Bloch works and a lot of other material, as opposed to a book about Bloch that happens to contain some of his works. If you have the book, you can make a more informed judgement that I can. If it's primarily a book of Bloch works, I would use ANTHOLOGY as the least bad fit, with Matheson and Mainhardt as the editors. If the book is primarily about Bloch, then NONFICTION would be more appropriate. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:45, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::My edit for the HC was just approved after a long wait (I made a minor error in the note so that new edit still has to be approved), but I think I'm done and so someone should decide what to do with the 2 separate but equal paperback editions now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== L. R. Giles/Lamar Giles - Canonical Name ==<br />
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Our canonical name for this author is currently {{A|L. R. Giles}}, presumably because that's how his first three SF stories credited the author back in 2004-2007. However, over the last 6 years he has published 4 SF novels and 2 stories as "Lamar Giles". A 2018 reprint of a 2006 story also used "Lamar Giles".<br />
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Are there any objections to changing the canonical name to "Lamar Giles"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:41, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?276372 Done]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:58, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Page & Spine: Fiction Showcase - call for editors to assist ==<br />
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Hello everybody! As all webzines, including those with mainly non-genre content, are now being indexed following a policy change in October 2022 regarding the Rules of Acquisition (as per [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Webzines_inclusion:_Proposed_extension_of_ROA this discussion]), I recently started indexing speculative contributions appearing in the last two-and-a-half years of [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/index.html Page & Spine: Fiction Showcase]. This webzine began publication in 2012 and ceased on 6 May 2022. It will be taken offline permanently on or about 6 May 2023, i.e., in about three months or so. My focus on those issues published between January 2020 and May 2022 is mainly because of the addition of a speculative fiction and poetry section called 'Outta This World' from May of 2020. However, some speculative contributions continued to be published in different sections, such as 'Crumbs' (for drabbles, jokes and short-form poetry) and 'Kid Stuff' (stories and art by under-eighteens) and, prior to the establishment of the 'Outta This World' section, speculative stories and poems could be found in other sections across the site (e.g., in 'The Reading Lamp' and 'Stories'). <br />
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It will be a challenge for me to complete the period from 2020 to 2022 in the three months available but there's no way I can cover the earlier years alone (if at all). Would anyone else be interested in covering the earlier (nine) years? It's possible that after May 2023, most - if not all - of the webzine could continue to be indexed using the Internet Archive but I suspect that lacunae would occasionally be found in the latter's coverage.<br />
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It may be the case that earlier issues contained only a small amount of speculative material so this might facilitate more rapid indexing, though of course the stories, poems and essays will still need to be read to determine their eligibility.<br />
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Note that 'issues' are distributed across different sections and have been archived in different ways (e.g. under a specific section or under a particular author). The final issue appears on the current home page with items shown listed under each section. Each item appearing in the same issue will bear the issue date in brackets after the title. They can be found grouped according to month under most sections, e.g. 'The Reading Lamp' section is indexed for the period December 2013 to May 2020 [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/the-reading-lamp-archives.html here] while that for 'Crumbs' is indexed for the period December 2012 to April 2022 [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/crumbs-index.html here].--[[User:Explorer1000|Explorer1000]] ([[User talk:Explorer1000|talk]]) 12:34, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, and the series page on ISFDB is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68935 here].--[[User:Explorer1000|Explorer1000]] ([[User talk:Explorer1000|talk]]) 12:51, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rozic/Rosick ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=letter+to+roger&type=Fiction+Titles; I was adding a few links to stories from bloodrosemag.com that are on ISFDB and this dude's name is a mess. He had a story in Pulphouse which was reprinted many years later in a horror anthology under a different name; his story on Blood Rose, https://www.bloodrosemag.com/archives/sep%202001/craziedaze.html, spells his name differently at top and bottom. I did an edit (pending) making Rozic an alternate name of Rosick, but I'm not touching anything else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:24, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ongoing cleanup of post-submission pages ==<br />
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I am in the process of removing obsolete code which was previously used to display post-submission pages and was deactivated last week. I am also making minor improvements to yellow warnings as I go along, e.g. I am currently working on making the "Price" field support multiple yellow warnings. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:07, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Catalog ID- and ISBN-specific yellow warnings have been upgraded to support multiple warnings per entered value. Pre-1970 pubs with an ISBN now generate yellow warnings. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:42, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Price-specific yellow warnings for prices now support multiple warnings per entered value. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:04, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Yellow warnings for image URLs now support multiple warnings per entered value. Certain odd Amazon URLs may generate more than one warning because they break more than one of our rules. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:35, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Yellow warnings about alternate and/or disambiguated names are no longer displayed for submissions which do not change them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:17, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Broken Galactic Central image links ==<br />
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Can anything be done about this? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 13:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: See [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#Galactic_Central this post] for an explanation. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:04, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Rats! Thanks for the info. Is there a way I can make Google Chrome show the images, by allowing insecure images? I tried allowing both isfdb.org and philsp.com to show insecure content, but it didn't seem to do anything. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 16:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I would tell you to switch to a less arrogant browser, but I did a little research and found you can actually convince Chrome to do what you want in this case:<br />
:::<br />
:::# Click on the lock icon to the left of isfdb.org in the address bar.<br />
:::# Click on <code>Site settings</code> in the drop-down menu that appears.<br />
:::# If <code>Privacy and security</code> is not already selected in the list at the left, select it.<br />
:::# You should see a list at the right with "www.isfdb.org" at the top.<br />
:::# Scroll way down through the "Permissions" and look for <code>Insecure content</code> with a danger triangle to the left and "Block (default)" to the right.<br />
:::# Click on the little down-arrow next to "Blocked (default)" and switch to "Allow".<br />
:::<br />
:::That's it. Now if you refresh (or go back to) the ISFDB page with the blocked image, you will see the image.<br />
:::<br />
:::I hope that helps. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:25, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::HOORAY! It works! Thank you so much! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 20:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Biffignandi ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?107101; https://archive.org/details/aless-andro-biffignandi-illustration-art; https://archive.org/details/sex-and-horror-the-art-of-alessandro-biffignandi; Biff apparently did a ton of art but ISFDB, oddly, only has 2 German krimi covers and an American cover for an Anne McCaffrey book (?!?) Anyway, I have a feeling the books linked above may be of use to those who enter all those obscure foreign covers. Be warned, however; there is much, MUCH nudity, including some pretty racy stuff. I do like the cover near the end of the 2nd book, however, where a weird-looking shark is chasing a woman swimming with a BABY in her arms. Is that an Italian thing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Drew S. ==<br />
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Drew Struzan is a well-known artist, today I added a link to an Archive.org copy of a novel he did the cover for, credit was to Drew Struzman, searching for that name only hit on that book, I asked PV who entered it as Struzan to check but SFJuggler doesn't always respond, so if anyone else has a copy of the 1991 Bantam Falcon edition of Indiana Jones and the Seven Veils you may want to check the copyright page. Struzan has no alternate names on ISFDB, so this may be the first. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:43, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Creative Guy From Canada ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?23801; I did some editing for Lucy A. Snyder book, publisher is Canadian, my price fix adding the "C" is the only one, should all be "C"? There's also 1 price missing and 1 where editor entered British price for some reason. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:15, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Riley Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1468203; Is this, https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/220727_19, actually by David A. Riley, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19937? He has 2 cover art credits, both discovered by me some time ago, and I think this may be another piece of art by him. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== French Bardin and Dick ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22terrain-vague-pour-la-traduction%22+&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate; I added Archive.org link to Tor TP of P.K. Dick's The Man Whose Teeth Were All Exactly Alike and added another link to the Paladin edition I did an edit for a long time ago, but there's another edition, a French one, and while searching for other books by the publisher I found they did an edition of Bardin's Deadly Percheron, although the French title is Big Clogs or something similar. So if anyone who regularly enters French editions wants to enter those. Oddly, there are publishers with the same name on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=terrain+vague&type=Publisher, but one published LONG before these 2 books came out and the other I'm not sure about, having published only an art book and a French novel, with no translations of American books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Big O ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?936; I added a D. Wheatley edition from this publisher and noticed the series, Plus, spells the publisher with a capital O. So should the publisher be spelled with a capital O, too? Also for the other series with A.C. Doyle books? Because on the Wheatley book it does look like they made the O big, since it stands for Oswald and so it makes sense that a person's initial would be capitalized. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:00, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:That seems appropriate. I found [https://archive.org/details/untramwaynommemo0000iris this scan] where the cover and title page have a stylized "NéO" logo (where it's hard to tell whether the "O" is capitalized), but title page says "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" and the copyright page says "&copy; Nouvelles éditions Oswald (NéO) 1981". So it seems they used the big "O". Two more scans corroborating that: [https://archive.org/details/troissaigneursde0000finn] and [https://archive.org/details/lhopitaletautres0000walt]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:38, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Based on that title page, the publisher should be "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" rather than "Néo" or "NéO". ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:56, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All three of those scans have: "NéO" [in stylized form] (over) "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" on the title page. The copyrights use "Nouvelles éditions Oswald (NéO)". Dates are 1981, 1982, and 1986. In the 1986 book on the page facing the title page is "Voir liste des libraries NéO en fin de volume." and "Maquette: Studios Knack/NéO" (referring to the cover illustration). The 1982 book's copyright page's list of other books by the same author has a citation that uses "Nouvelles éditions Oswald/NéO". Whether it should be "NéO" or spelled out doesn't seem clear-cut to me. But if the short form is what should be used, then I think it's clear the capitalization should be "NéO", not "Néo". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:53, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Yes, the stylized "NéO" is the logo, and the name of the publisher is "Nouvelles éditions Oswald". If the publisher information is on the title page, we always go with that over anything on the copyright page or elsewhere. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:43, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Frankenstein Glut ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5569772; PV is very gone, as can be seen there's a bunch of messy details I've tried to note/fix, LCCN ID on OL leads to a record which mentions a collector ed. and a paperback but there's only one edition on ISFDB, copyright page also mentions the 1977 Mews edition was shorter and substantially different and so wouldn't it be considered a separate book? Anyway, I noticed somebody made an edit for a Glut book today so they or someone may want to look at this after it's approved and see if they can do anything more with it. Donald N. will need to be made a variant of his real name, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:53, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Making of ROTJ ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?957601; $4.25 edition has been here for years, I added $3.50 edition recently, I moved 2 ID over, $4.25 either is Canadian with higher price, later printing, whatever, but both PV are gone, so if anyone here knows what's up a C should be added to price or date should be changed to 0000, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:33, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alien Sex ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192541; Several PV, some active, nobody added Roman numerals to page count, one of the PV should do that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:32, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-nomination for self-approver - Pwendt ==<br />
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Happy New Year (or Groundhog Day)! <br />
I nominate myself for self-approver. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:'''Support'''. [[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:32, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:'''Support'''. Does a good job. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:46, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: '''Support''' (and changing the title of the thread so it is clear what this is for :) ) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:55, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: '''Support''' -- Apologies for missing this earlier and not responding sooner. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: '''Comment'''. I haven't worked on Pwendt's submissions lately, so I'll abstain. One issue that I encountered in the past was lack of clarity in Notes. My recommendation would be using shorter complete sentences with a subject, a predicate and an optional object. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:54, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome ===<br />
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Self-approver flag set on the account as per the consensus above. Congratulations! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:40, 11 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Disch Ruins ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285521; I added links to 2 club editions recently, today a link to Arrow edition, Hutchinson edition has no price or cover artist, SFE says Chris Yates, this STAINED eBay copy has a flap photo which is blurry but a 2 seems to be the start of the price, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380896522207, so if anyone can find somewhere that shows better photos or owns a copy then price can be entered and cover artist (on back flap, I assume, although it may just be design) can be entered if warranted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:43, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Turner Diaries ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1601834; I came across a copy, uploaded to Archive.org a little over a year ago, and while making an edit remembered I had done an edit previously, which turned out to be not long before the copy was uploaded (I hate when that happens). Anyway, after my new edit is approved, there's 2 questions: name's spelled Macdonald, not MacDonald, but when changing that it still looks like MacDonald even though it's in a new column so it sees it as a change even though it doesn't look that way. Is that a quirk of ISFDB? More importantly, there's an essay by someone with the same name who I highly doubt is the same guy who wrote this notoriously violent and racist novel, and none of his 5 wives mentioned on his Wikipedia page were named Gina (I suppose it could be a relative), so I'm sure the essay writer, assuming they're still alive (it's been 40 years), would like their name moved to a separate record if they're not that other guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:11, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: When you enter or edit an author name, a publisher name, a series name or a publication series name, the ISFDB software first checks the database to see if we already have it on file. The check is not case-sensitive, so "ace books" will find "Ace Books", "george orwell" will find "George Orwell", etc. Once a matching name has been found, the software uses it instead of the form of the name that was actually entered. The process ensures that we don't end up with multiple separate records for the same author/series/publisher/etc due to capitalization mistakes during the data entry process. If we determine that the capitalization of the canonical name/series name/etc is incorrect, as is apparently the case with {{A|Andrew MacDonald}}, we can edit the main record directly.<br />
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: That said, the fact that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574438 this submission] shows "Andrew MacDonald" in the "Proposed Changes" column may be a bug. I'll take a closer look tomorrow. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:17, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I have confirmed that this problem affects both Edit Title and Edit Publication. {{Bug|826}}, "Edit Title and Edit Pub do not check for author case properly", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:23, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Coincidentally, famous artist LeRoy Neiman has all 4 of his credits on ISFDB as Leroy. Fixing the first one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575086, I subbed R but pending edit says r. So I assume it takes a while for your bug fix to start working? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:54, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: {{Bug|826}} is just a document describing the reported bug and how to recreate it. I am currently working on a software patch which should fix the problem. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:39, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Red Skelton Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575145; I asked about this last July 4 on this board, MartyD agreed with adding the "e", neither of us ever fixed it, I came across this randomly today and am finally fixing it. I trust nobody has any objection? PV is gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:34, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Price Of Three Women ==<br />
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This is a bit complicated. A stray mention of Anne McCaffrey on this site spurred me to see if I could enter anything interesting by her, skipping over her endless Pern books, and I decided to start with her non-genre works. That was a mistake. She published 3 gothic novels in the 70's which were collected by Tor as Three Women and published in either Dec. 1991 or Jan. 1992. So searching ISBN on OL found a record with no book but it did find a copy on Archive.org; searching for their URL, threewomen00mcca, on OL found a record with a link to the copy, so why ISBN doesn't is unknown because it's there on the page. Anyway, the copy is ancient, having been uploaded in 2010, but is missing the copyright page. Noticing the price was higher I created a new record with an "unknown" date and a note about it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575697. The problem is that I can't find a single photo online of a cover with the $4.99 price on it; I suspect there is none and the real original price was $5.99. Locus has much incorrect info, and searching ISBN in contents found these, https://archive.org/search?query=0-812-50587-5&sin=TXT; ignoring the 4 unrelated books, that Brown/Contento book is Locus with the same info found on their site, but that YA guide says $5.99. I find it very strange that multiple copies with extensive photos can't be found since most of her books were big sellers with large print runs and many were reprinted. I was going to cancel my edit and just add the copy link and the page numbers to the existing record, but decided not to because there's still a slim possibility it was originally $4.99. So check your shelves or the dark corners of the web, readers, and let me know if you can find a copy with that price. EDIT: My edit was rejected for some reason over my head so if anyone else wants to enter it, go ahead. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:22, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:If you were confused as to why it was rejected, you could have asked. I rejected it because it was creating an new OMNIBUS record without any content. Nor was there a moderator note stating that you intended to add the content in a subsequent edit. There are three ways you could have added this publication record. You could use the add publication tool, and manually add the contained novels in one edit. Then you would need to merge each novel separately. You could also use the add publication and in a subsequent edit import the three novel titles. If this was your intent, it's a good idea to note this in the Moderator notes, so that we'll know that you intend to finish the edit. However, the most efficient way to add this publication is with the Clone this Pub tool. That way, all the contained novels will automatically be copied and it will all be accomplished in a single edit rather than 2 or 4 edits. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:22, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stockholders in Death ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3560; Archive.org copy of #7 since 2010 that nobody ever entered here so I just did in a (pending) edit, but publisher is Warner PL; several entries omit the Warner on ISFDB, so should all of them, including this one, be made Warner PL, too? Did PL, no Warner, publish any of them? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Author name validation enhancements ==<br />
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The way the ISFDB software handles author names in Edit Title, New Pub, Add Pub, Clone Pub, and Edit Pub has been enhanced. The following scenarios are now processed correctly:<br />
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* The same author name is entered using different capitalization, e.g. "David Weber" is changed to "david weber"<br />
* The order of co-author, co-artist, co-interviewee, co-interviewer, co-reviewer or co-reviewee names is changed<br />
* The same author name is entered two or more times (for the same title) using different capitalization, e.g. "David Weber" and then again "david weber"<br />
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In all of these cases the software now ignores the submitted "change".<br />
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Hopefully every permutation has been addressed/fixed. If you come across anything unexpected, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:53, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Great SF About Doctors ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22Great+science+fiction+about+doctors%22; I added a link to original edition, fourth printing is on ISFDB with correct date but wrong printing and date in note, I added a link and fixed the note, cover artist is Don Ivan just like the fifth printing, so there's a lot of confusion, especially since the 2nd printing has no PV and nobody's entered the 3rd. So maybe someone can look into that and unmerge/un-variant; I have a feeling all the editions with that cover have Don Ivan on the back. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:22, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== C. Alexander London canonical name ==<br />
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Are there any objections to swapping the canonical name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?231877 here] to Alex London. The longer name had not been used for a long time and all new books use the shorter name. SFE also has the record under Alex London. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:46, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: It's a slightly unusual case in that his first series appeared as by "Alex London", the second one came out as by "C. Alexander London" and the last two went back to "Alex London". Be that as it may, "Alex London" is currently leading 8:3, so I think it should be the canonical name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:01, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Series with non-fiction and short-fiction only ==<br />
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When a series has only non-fiction and short-fiction in it, it shows up in an author list as a "Nonfiction Series" (As the only container title is non-fiction, it kinda makes sense). However, it is factually wrong and we are a fiction DB after all. As novellas/novelettes are popular (both as "juvenile novels under 40K" and as self-published or e-only non-juveniles), this is happening more and more often. As soon as a collection of more than one of the stories show up, the collection title bumps the series into the Fiction category. But in the meantime, it lags under Non-fiction.<br />
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Any chance to have these shown up in the Fiction series list? Example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?37710 this series]. See where it shows on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112144 author page]. Thanks! <br />
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PS: Another related case is a series with only short-fiction. Now these show all the way at the bottom, with the short fiction until they get a collection and then they sail up under Fiction series. Maybe we can solve both usecases together and just treat short fiction entries as the fiction containers and just list all fiction series under the normal series heading. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I am looking at the code that drives the Summary Bibliography page and here is what I am seeing.<br />
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: First, the software organizes all titles by series. Then it builds "series hierarchies" so that embedded series appear under the top series -- note how "Star Wars: The Clone Wars (animated)" appears under "Star Wars: Clone Wars", which appears under "Star Wars Universe" on {{A|Tracey West}}'s page. Then it checks the title type of each parent title in each "series hierarchy" to determine which section of the Summary page the hierarchy belongs under. The current logic is as follows:<br />
:* If a "series hierarchy" contains at least one NOVEL, COLLECTION, or SERIAL title, it is displayed in the "Fiction Series" section.<br />
:* OTHERWISE:<br />
:** If it contains at least one ANTHOLOGY title, it is displayed in the "Anthology Series" section.<br />
:** OTHERWISE:<br />
:*** If it contains at least one NONFICTION title, it is displayed in the "Nonfiction Series" section.<br />
:*** OTHERWISE:<br />
:**** If it contains at least one OMNIBUS title, it is displayed in the "Fiction Series" section. (This check is performed after the ANTHOLOGY and NONFICTION checks so that OMNIBUSES with only ANTHOLOGY/NONFICTION titles would appear in their respective Anthology/Nonfiction series sections.)<br />
:**** OTHERWISE:<br />
:***** If it contains at least one SHORTFICTION title, it is displayed in the "Short Fiction Series" section.<br />
:***** OTHERWISE:<br />
:****** If it contains at least one POEM title, it is displayed in the "Poem Series" section.<br />
:****** OTHERWISE:<br />
:******* If it contains at least one ESSAY title, it is displayed in the "Essay Series" section.<br />
:******* OTHERWISE:<br />
:******** If it contains at least one COVERART title, it is displayed in the "Cover Art Series" section.<br />
:******** OTHERWISE:<br />
:********* If it contains at least one INTERIORART title, it is displayed in the "Interior Art Series" section.<br />
:********* OTHERWISE:<br />
:********** If it contains at least one REVIEW title, it is displayed in the "Review Series" section.<br />
:********** OTHERWISE:<br />
:*********** If it contains at least one INTERVIEW title, it is displayed in the "Interview Series" section.<br />
:*********** OTHERWISE:<br />
:************ If it contains at least one title of some other type, it is displayed in the "Other Series" section. (This should never happen because CHAPBOOKs cannot be added to series.)<br />
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: Once all eligible titles have been placed into series, the displayed order of sections is as follows:<br />
:* Fiction Series<br />
:* Standalone novels<br />
:* Standalone collections<br />
:* Standalone omnibuses<br />
:* Standalone serials (should never happen because SERIAL titles are supposed to be turned into variants)<br />
:* EDITOR series<br />
:* Anthology Series<br />
:* Standalone anthologies<br />
:* Standalone chapbooks<br />
:* Nonfiction series<br />
:* Standalone nonfiction<br />
:* Short Fiction series<br />
:* Standalone short fiction<br />
:* Poem series<br />
:* Standalone poems<br />
:* Cover art series<br />
:* Standalone cover art<br />
:* Interior art series<br />
:* Standalone interior art<br />
:* Review series<br />
:* Standalone reviews<br />
:* Interview series<br />
:* Standalone interviews<br />
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: If we decide that we want to fold the "Short Fiction Series" section into the "Fiction Series" section, it would be easy to add "SHORTFICTION" to the list of title types which trigger placement in the "Fiction Series" series, then delete the "Short Fiction Series" section. It would also take care of the NONFICTION issue since series with a mix of NONFICTION and SHORTFICTION titles would appear in the "Fiction Series" section.<br />
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: As to whether combining "Fiction Series" and "Shortfiction" would be a desirable change, I'll have to think about it. Annie's example is a good argument in favor of making the change, but then non-series short fiction, which appears below magazines, anthologies, chapbooks and non-fiction, would be treated differently than the other title types which drive inclusion in the "Fiction Series" section. I guess we could move the "[standalone] Short Fiction" section up the page, but then it would be above book-length works like magazines and anthologies. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:43, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::What a blast from the past! I remember working on that code.... The organizational thought behind that evaluation chain was that "books" should be the primary driver of the series type. But perhaps that's a mistake when it comes to NONFICTION. It seems reasonable to suppose there might be a NONFICTION work about any series of works, and if we want to put that NONFICTION work into the series, it shouldn't affect the series type, whatever that may be. So maybe it would be best to move NONFICTION to the bottom of the chain. just before the "Other Series" catch-all. Then Nonfiction Series would only contain NONFICTION. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:04, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Currently, a series with a mix of NONFICTION, ESSAY, COVERART, INTERIORART, REVIEW and INTERVIEW titles is displayed in the "Nonfiction Series" section. Would you say that it should be displayed in the "Essay Series" section instead? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:24, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The one gotcha I see with that is a nonfiction series that happens to contain an OMNIBUS as well (do we allow that?); we wouldn't want that to end up in Fiction Series. So that evaluation might need a tweak of some sort. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:04, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::: The official [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub rule is]: "A publication may be classified as an omnibus if it contains multiple works that have previously been published independently, and at least one of them is a NOVEL, ANTHOLOGY, COLLECTION, or NONFICTION." So technically - yes, an omnibus can contain 3 NONFICTION items. In practice it is rare but it happens. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:10, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: {{A|H. P. Lovecraft}}'s [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?309615 ''Collected Essays: Complete''], which collects HPL's essays originally published as 5 NONFICTION volumes, would be one example. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:45, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Maybe the easiest way will be in the omnibus line to have a secondary check if there is at least one SHORTFICTION or POEM title - everything else on the fiction side is before the Omnibus so we will only reach that case when there are no novels and collections/anthologies. <br />
::: I won't insist on moving short fiction series higher but... I still think that having fiction series in two different places on the screen is confusing, especially for authors who write on the border between novella and novel and that end up with their series split in weird ways. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:10, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome ===<br />
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I have changed the software to display series with a mix of NONFICTION and SHORTFICTION/POEM titles in the "Fiction Series" section. We may want to start another discussion about merging the two "Fiction Series" sections. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Embedded HTML is now displayed correctly ==<br />
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After close to a hundred patches over the course of many months, embedded HTML is now displayed correctly on all ISFDB pages. If you come across any irregularities or bugs, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:51, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:What does embedded HTML mean? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:01, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Consider [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2145123 this record] whose title is "<sarcasm>Adventures in Gaming</sarcasm>". It could just as easily be "<nowiki><b>Adventures in Gaming</b></nowiki>". Angle brackets like "<" and ">" are the building blocks of HTML tags, so browsers interpret them as HTML commands to use bold, italics, underlining, etc. Or, in the case of "<sarcasm>" just stand around looking very confused :-) That's what "embedded HTML" is.<br />
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:: In order to prevent browser confusion, the ISFDB software needs to do something special to tell the browser that these particular angle brackets should be simply displayed "as is" instead of being interpreted as HTML commands. It took me a while to get everything updated, but I think I am finally done. I think I'll go have a tankard of non-alcoholic Klingon ale to celebrate :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::<clanks tankard/> For the Empire! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:29, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MV of SK ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5579477; It says 19.95 on back, librarian typed 21.95 on first page like ISFDB says, Locusmag says 19.95 but also says 1989 is the date yet they didn't see it until Aug. '90 for some reason, after this is approved someone more hip to these tangled Starmont/Borgo things may know more about if this is a 2nd printing, if they suddenly decided to raise the price before the 1st printing, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== HELP! A Bear Is Eating Me! ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL9881165A/Mykle_Hansen; English edition just uploaded to Archive.org, I added a link, but French version uploaded back in 2021 in case anyone wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:13, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SFE Clute ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5581010; Why is this happening now? Did they change again? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:09, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This is the first "clute_uk" URL that I have seen. I am going to ask the SFE administrator whether it's a typo or a new part of their URL structure. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:31, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: It turns out that "clute_uk" is a new publicly "linkable" subdirectory. I have updated the software to recognize it as legitimate. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:48, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bradbury's Twice Twenty-Two ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?38262; Search on Archive.org only brings up 1 copy but as can be seen at the OL link, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL5981610M/Twice_twenty-two, there's 1 of those weird "preview" copies; it doesn't really have the cover art like the thumbnail shows, just red cloth binding like the other copy, but it's a different copy. So if anybody knows which edition they belong in, if it's one of those later ones mentioned in the ISFDB notes, etc., then link(s) can be added; note also that OL mentions a 1994 Buccaneer edition. Also, Mugnaini's cover art was missing the month and his frontispiece was only included and dated based on the book club edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=twice+twenty&type=All+Titles, so I've fixed all that in (pending) edits; note also the last entry with a month that matches neither edition and is from a Virgil Finlay book. What's that about? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tainaron ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1440471; https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/holdingsInfo?searchId=13630&recCount=25&recPointer=3&bibId=3359893; The original Finnish edition is not on ISFDB but it is on the Library of Congress site in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. I just added an Archive.org link to the Prime Books edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:17, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Grindhouse ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/grindhousethesle0000unse; Would the inclusion of the entire screenplay for Planet Terror qualify this for entry here? I've been wanting to find something with Tarantino's name on it so I can add his bio and find the most unflattering photo of him possible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Richard Morris ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?147497; Interview is with this guy, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0606889/, not the guy from the 1800's, but does that interview about a movie really belong here? If it does, some addition to interviewee's name is needed to differ him from the dead guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:50, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I'll differentiate the name: thanks for finding this. The interview does belong here because it was published in a genre magazine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:36, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Whimper of Whipped Dogs ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=whipped+dogs&type=All+Titles; Today is the anniversary of 911 calls here in America, starting in 1968 and prompted by the murder of Kitty Genovese a few years earlier which was the inspiration for this story by Harlan Ellison. I was looking for an online PDF and found this, https://xpressenglish.com/whipped-dogs/. I'm going to add the link but I'm curious where that drawing came from. Anyone recognize it? also, at the link above, the 2 essays seem like the same thing but there's no variant. Are they the same? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:24, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lester Dent Bibliography ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=lester+dent+bibliography&type=All+Titles; https://archive.org/details/lester_dent_bibliography; 1996 date doesn't match either version on ISFDB and it seems to have been published as an e-book or something. Lots of Doc Savage work done recently here so maybe somebody wants to enter this or at least knows where it originally came from. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:52, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Squires Knight ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?834417; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?173963; I added an Archive.org link to the Leisure edition by Knight and checked his real name and found that he originally published What Rough Beast under that name. What's the variant rules here? Who's the parent? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:45, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Where it's only one title under each name, it doesn't matter much. But I found an archived copy of his website http://www.harrysquires.com/ in the Wayback Machine, and in a 2012 version there is: "Now writing horror as H.R. Knight, Harry...". So it seems he deliberately changed his horror-writing identity from Squires to Knight. So I'd make Knight the canonical (which also works well because the publications under that name are more recent and more plentiful). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:01, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Post-submission display of Contents sections improved ==<br />
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The way Contents sections are displayed on post-submission pages is in the process of being changed. At this point NewPub and AddPub submissions have been upgraded. Their Contents sections now properly display multiple yellow warnings when warranted. They also indicate which submitted author name is new, which one is an alternate name or which one is a disambiguated name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:55, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Filaria ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1258490; A copy was uploaded a few months ago on Archive.org; it revealed that the page count and the price here were wrong, I fixed those and added the link, but the review at Strange Horizons calls this the first book from Chizine and says 2008, as do all copyrights in the book itself. Why it has a late 2009 date here I don't know, and I also don't know why there's such a big gap between the first Chizine book here, January 2009, and the rest of their 2009 books. So real date is needed for this book and probably others from this publisher. Also, while researching this I saw an expired eBay sale for a 100-copy HC, which I believe Chizine did for many of their books, often including extra material, but very few seem to have been entered here, so there's that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Earthman, Come Home ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229485; I noticed a M. Ayme Mayflower edition said Dell on cover and Google Books had it with Mayflower-Dell on copyright page so I fixed that but this isn't on Google. It says Dell on cover, both PV haven't been around for years, but knowing these old paperbacks I hesitate to fix it without someone seeing a copyright page. So if anyone owns this edition can you check and see what it says inside the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:17, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Come Softly, Come Sweetly... ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362038; I added info to the only issue of D. Sutton's British Shadow fanzine, from 1971, that's on ISFDB and Eddy C. Bertin has a story, "Come Softly, Come Sweetly", in it which isn't on ISFDB but his 1971 Dutch collection, linked above, has a title which translates to the English title, just with added words, so any Dutch people who are familiar with his extensive bibliography will probably know which came first and can variant as needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:36, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Mark ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?325553; Does that seem right? It should be other people named Mark Williams, shouldn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Two things: (1) That "Mark (Wills) Williams" is matched up with forms of "Mark" is a bug. I would bet the issue is the "(". The ambiguity matching logic probably isn't paying attention to whether the parenthesized expression is at the end or is embedded in the middle. (2) That "Mark (Wills) Williams" is not matched up with forms of "Mark Williams" is a limitation/feature of the current matching, which doesn't consider names containing middle names (or initials, etc.) to be ambiguous vis-a-vis the same combination of first and last name without any middle name. I don't think we'd want "Mark XYZ Williams" to be shown as ambiguous with "Mark Williams", but I guess I could see showing "Mark Williams" as ambiguous with "Mark ABC Williams" and "Mark XYZ Williams". You'd have to lobby Ahasuerus on that one. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:41, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Good catch. {{Bug|827}}, "'Same name' logic fails for records with embedded parentheses", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:50, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: It should be fixed now. Thanks for reporting the problem.<br />
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::: Re: ''showing "Mark Williams" as ambiguous with "Mark ABC Williams" and "Mark XYZ Williams"'', that's a whole different can of worms. If you do a name search on "John%Smith", you'll get a list of a dozen names, including:<br />
:::* John Claude Smith<br />
:::* John D. Smith<br />
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::: First we'd have to decide which ones are considered ambiguous. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:04, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Created By Matheson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8191; The advance reading copy, https://archive.org/details/createdby00math, says 352 pages on the first page, it's actually 344, ISFDB says 324. Anyone own a copy who can verify what the actual page count is? There are also Roman numerals at the front; no editions here have them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:30, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brutarian ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=brutarian&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; Heads up that someone, after uploading 3 random issues years ago, started uploading more issues recently. This was not strictly a genre magazine but included some genre fiction/non-fiction, especially in later issues, some of it by big names. ISFDB only has a few late issues entered; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=brutarian&type=Magazine. I distinctly remember seeing issues on the newsstand at some store in New York City back in the 1990's or maybe a bit later, so it got some distribution, I guess. I got an R. Crumb vibe from it, though, probably due to the type of cover art they used, and didn't really peruse it. Crumb's art always made me nervous for some reason. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:27, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bonus fiction in novels ==<br />
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Why is a 'bonus' short fiction title allowed in a novel, but a serial installment is specifically excluded? There are a number of publications, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714319 example 1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714583 example 2], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714262 example 3], where we're forced to misclassify what is clearly a serial installment. I don't see a downside to lifting the exclusion. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:05, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Because allowing SERIALs in books at all is a relatively new development. It used to be magazines and fanzines only. Then we allowed chapbooks. I think we should allow it in anthologies, novels and collections as well - especially because Magazines reprints are added as anthologies/collections AND because in our digital world, serials are used as bonus almost anywhere. Post over on R&S and we can hash it out and change the rules for serials. One thing to make sure we clearly separate - excerpts vs serials (it is intent that separates them essentially) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:13, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Moonchasers TP ==<br />
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I've done a lot of Ed Gorman edits recently and this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284334, is a problem because the HC is & on the title page but no photos of the TP title page can be found. Does anyone own the TP? I've got a half-dozen edits on hold because mod won't change unless I show that it's & in the TP title, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sword & Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?33789; Some weeks-old edit of mine was finally approved, fixing an artist's name in one of these issues, but now that I look at the series page something's not right. Why do only the last 2 issues have a comma after the issue #? Also, is the # really supposed to be in any of them instead of in the notes? Isn't that magazine policy there? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The title records reflected the individual publication titles since they hadn't been 'rolled up' by year. I took care of that.<br />
: Regarding the comma:<br />
:* The placement of the comma, in a periodical title, controls what is displayed in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?33789 issue grid]. Basically, everything after the first comma appears in the grid except the year as long as it matches the date field. If the year differs, it will also be displayed. Notice how the issue number doesn't appear in the two titles you question.<br />
:* Yes, current policy is to show the issue number in the publication notes. 21:57, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Flashing Swords! Help ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8495; I've just added Archive.org links in (pending) edits to #1 (2 Doubleday), #2 (Mayflower), #3 (2 Dell), #4 (2 1977 Doubleday), and #5 (Doubleday). Now there are some issues. Some people unnecessarily entered the series title in the book title, others didn't; some people entered Roman numerals in the page count, others didn't; some people entered the book title as it appears on the title page, others didn't. Also, #3 doesn't have the Doubleday book club edition entered; #'s 1, 2, and 4 have the book club dates as earlier than the Dell PB dates but #5 has both as the same date, so it's possible that the story dates for #3 are wrong because the book club edition was probably published earlier. There are many PV for all volumes so if any of them would like to add/fix anything it would help. EDIT: The only thing I fixed was importing Carter's essay in #1, "A Last Word", to the Doubleday edition; it was only entered here in the Dell edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Backward(s) ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?93690; I just stumbled across a copy of Mitchell's Crystal Man which was uploaded in June of 2022 so I added a link and the missing page numbers to the many stories included in that book, but I noticed 1 story, "The Clock That Went Backwards", is actually "Backward". According to ISFDB the only instances of the singular title are the original, uncredited appearance in a newspaper and reprints in various books starting in 2013. So when my edit is approved that story needs merging with the singular or removing/adding the singular or whatever needs doing; the question now is if it really was the plural in the many books it appeared in between the above collection in 1973 and 2013. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks, Pwendt. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:23, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Secret Asia's Blackest Heart ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?855765; Something in the recent edits accidentally led me to this and some of those titles are already on ISFDB, specifically the Webb which was published in 2014 as "U-PAO. The Black Sutra", the Blackmore which is in 3 separate books on ISFDB starting in 2007, not 2009, and the Carter/Cornford story which is under the same title in 3 merged publications but its appearance in this book wasn't merged even though the editor did at least date it correctly as 1997. Person who entered it hasn't responded to anything for a long time so if anyone owns a copy a lot of re-dating/re-titling/merging is probably in order. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:21, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Borgo Question ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5592414; One of those annoying situations where they include both editions but don't specify which it is. Was it Borgo's style to print the correct barcode in red as it appears on the back cover in the Archive.org copy or is that totally unrelated and somebody just felt like coloring it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:40, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== O.J.'s Nightmare ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1706087; Willem and Bob PV separate editions, pretty sure it should be David, also could be related to other artists named Bowers, first name starts with D, here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Maelstrom ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5593175; A challenge to anyone who can find a bigger cover image and replace mine. This anthology has been on ISFDB for years and there are a few online mentions of it including Locus where the contents came from but, as can be seen in the notes, it seems to have either been barely published or not at all. While on an archived author's site I was trying to get info from there was an image in her bibliography of this book so I uploaded the .jpg, but it was very tiny and after blowing it up as big as allowable here the author names are illegible. The title and cover art still come through nicely, though. Maybe someone here actually owns a copy (HA!)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:56, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Further Adventures of Batman Printing Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34733; https://archive.org/details/furtheradventure00gree; There's a bit of confusion here. The original printing was July, PV Vasha77 did the 2nd printing but made an error by entering the month based on an ad on the last page which says 10/87 when the book was obviously published in '89, Archive copy above is a 3rd printing not on ISFDB with that same ad but 2 pages before it is an ad for G.R.R. Martin's Wild Cards with 7/89 on it. So since PV is gone and it was transient anyway I suggest we change month of 2nd to July also and then enter the 3rd with that month, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:38, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Goldstrom ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25621; My edit making R. Goldstrom an alternate of Robert was just approved but I see there's 2 separate credits for Skeleton-in-Waiting. I think they need merging or something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:23, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Merged, as you correctly pointed out. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:05, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Davis Grubb Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5783; I've done a few edits for his rare 1978 collection Siege of 318 and recently stumbled on the fact that the title story was a retitled reprint of "Cry Havoc", which is why both have a 1976 date here. I've made a variant but I am suspicious that "The Idiots" from the 1976 horror anthology Frights and "The Idiot" are the same, too. Does anyone own a copy who can compare the 2 stories? Frights has an Archive.org link so story is readable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:12, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Content sections of Clone/Import/Export upgraded ==<br />
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The Content sections of Clone/Import/Export Publication post-submission pages have been upgraded. Rows can now display multiple yellow warnings per row. Yellow warnings are now more specific, telling you which authors they refer to. Auto-merge rows no longer warn you about disambiguated/alternate author/artist names. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:44, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Changing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36975; I added LCCN ID and noticed 244 pages which is a lot different than 320. No online copies I can see so if anyone owns this can you check page count and fix if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Derek Neville ==<br />
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https://kylerader.net/2014/12/30/ghost-box-a-discussion-with-author-derek-neville/; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161858; I suspected the short story was not by the old Neville; there's a guy with the same name who self-published Ghost Box, which isn't on ISFDB but should be, but the only mentions of that name and the short story's title are our site and this, https://kristipetersenschoonover.com/2015/01/12/shitty-almonds-now-available-in-bugs-teaser-toc-here/. So story author should probably get a (I) after their name or something to differ them but unsure whether the same Neville wrote Ghost Box, although it seems likely. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?359885 Done]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:57, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Needs space after 1st period of artist to make it the same as artist already on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Looks like that was handled as I can't see what you mean. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:41, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Scifibones fixed it today. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== 1995 SPGA Showcase ==<br />
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http://www.locusmag.com/index/t742.htm#A37177; The Goldman story has the right original date on ISFDB but no mention of where it came from so I entered the info that it originally came from this anthology; the Everson story has the wrong date (2007), a different title ("Warming the Women"), and no mention of where it came from, so I added where it came from but didn't change date or title because it may have the same title in the anthology and should be merged or it really is different in which case it would be a variant; the Jacob story already has a note here about where it first came from. The Danley work being a story is suspicious because all his works (as Robert C. Danley) on ISFDB are poems; it's also weird that Locus listed all the poems after the stories instead of listing everything in order. So on the very slim chance that anyone owns the anthology some fixes would probably be needed after entering it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:27, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938058 that anthology here]. If it turns out the Danley work is actually a poem, we can easily change it. In the meantime, it's listed now. I also varianted the Everson story. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:37, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Phantom Fango Edit ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5595657; I'm confused about something. I haven't looked at any Fangoria issues for a long time, while doing Drake Douglas edits I noticed he had 1 review for a book by himself, I knew he probably wouldn't review his own book and found it was just an entry mistake and it was actually Stanley Wiater, who did the other reviews in that issue; I asked PV about it and they responded but didn't indicate they were going to fix it themselves, but now I see that it was changed to the correct reviewer but I don't see where that was done by anyone in the review record or issue record. Am I missing something? I assume I can just cancel my edit now, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:43, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Look at the last edit to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?841501 publication] containing the review. Yes, go ahead and cancel your submission. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:11, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Anthony Izzo Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597760; I'm not sure what's going on here. I thought this novel was not on ISFDB because the title was not in the author's record but after entering a new record the ISBN is a duplicate of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99881. Izzo mentions the title change here, https://www.anthonyizzo.com/post/author-anthony-izzo-s-latest-thriller-novel. So the existing record seems to have been entered from pre-release info on Amazon, maybe, before the title was changed. So what's to be done? Delete Unforgiven? It has a "P" cover image, wrong format, old ISBN-10 instead of ISBN-13 for a 2007 book, etc. (also see my note in Evil Harvest about confusion with ISBN-13, too). Or leave it and make the 2 titles alternates? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:06, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Evil Harvest edit was just approved; still awaiting reply on what should be done here. Anyone? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Beehive Book Award ==<br />
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The [http://www.claubeehive.org/about-the-beehive-book-awards.html Beehive Book Award] given out by the Children's Literature Association of Utah in the following categories:<br />
*Children's Fiction (chapter books)<br />
*Picture Books<br />
*Informational Books<br />
*Poetry<br />
*Graphic Novels<br />
*Young Adult Fiction<br />
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The books nominated and awarded are not limited to those by Utahns, though. It's voted on by children in the state of Utah from a list of nominees submitted by volunteers. It covers more than just speculative fiction works, but there are quite a few speculative fiction authors whose works have been nominated and/or won over the years. See the lists [http://www.claubeehive.org/past-winners--nominees.html here]. I'll be happy to populate the award if it's added. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:54, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see all the usual suspects: Le Guin, Lloyd Alexander, Jane Yolen, Ursula Vernon, Brandon Mull, etc. Looks legitimate to me. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:31, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?102 Done.] Sorry, I forgot all about it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:47, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Roofworld Arrow Edition ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1282; In tribute to Christopher Fowler, who just died, I started to add as much info as I could to his books and almost immediately ran into trouble. I added an Archive.org link to the original Ballantine edition but there's also an Arrow edition; however, there's 2 records here with one being entered in the very early days of this site and PV by a long-gone person while the other is much more fleshed out but not PV. Which should be kept and given the link? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:21, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:They look like they are probably duplicates of each other. Anyone else have any different thoughts? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:51, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The "September 1989" pub was verified against the [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b177.htm#A2341 Locus Index], which says:<br />
::* Roofworld (Legend 0-09-962340-4, Sep ’89 [Aug ’89], £3.99, 396pp, pb) Reprint (Ballantine/Legend 1988) sf novel.<br />
:: It would appear that "September 1989" comes from Locus. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== What The F ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=fer+ward&type=Name; Unusual situation here where one would assume the second name is wrong but that's actually her name; the first name only has 1 credit and searching Amazon Look Inside it does say Jennifer on contents page but typing Jenniffer gets 1 hit, so possibly it's spelled correctly at the head of the story in case anyone who has an Amazon account can verify and fix/variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:04, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?553261 ''Dreamless''], it's "Jenniffer Wardell" on the cover, on the copyright page and on the title page. The "Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data" section says that she was born in 1981. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:30, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::A full view on Amazon inside the book in which her name was entered here as Jennifer is needed because her real name per online info is Jenniffer and while contents page of that book says Jennifer a search inside gets a hit for Jenniffer, so I don't want a false variant name created (there's already way too many of those here) if it really should just have an "f" added to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:53, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Searching the Amazon Look Inside for {{P|577626|100 Worlds}} shows that the "Object Lesson" title page uses "Jennifer Wardell". The "About the Author" does list her as "Jenniffer", but we enter per the title page. I have created an alternate name and varianted the story. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:10, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baen vs. Baen Books ==<br />
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We have separate publisher listings for Baen and Baen Books. The top of both these records has "Do NOT merge this with [other version], there are two completely different timeframes and three different logos". However,<br />
*{{Pubr|38|Baen}} has books from 1984 - 2023<br />
*{{Pubr|55837|Baen Books}} has books from 1985 - 1992, 1995 - 1996, 2004 - 2006, 2022 - 2023<br />
So we are not separating them out as per the note. I don't see the need to have separate versions as we already normalize minor changes in publisher names and that information can easily be handled in a note. However, if we are going to have separate versions, then the time ranges should be added to the notes and the relevant books updated appropriately. The editor who added the note is no longer active so cannot ask them about it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:22, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: I would draw a parallel to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?37 Ace Books], with multiple addresses and ownership detailed in a separate ISFDB [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Publisher:Ace wiki page]. I also see no reason beyond whether they care credited differently in the books (Baen vs. Baen Books) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 13:00, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: A couple of thoughts. First, spot-checking some recently published Baen books, I see that they apparently use "Baen Books" and "Baen" interchangeable. For example, the copyright page of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929303 ''Dead Man Walking''], which was published on 2023-02-07, says:<br />
::* A Baen Book<br />
::* Baen Publishing Enterprises<br />
::* First Baen Printing<br />
::* Electronic version by Baen Books<br />
:: The copyright page of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?931957 ''What Price Victory?''], which was published on the same day, says:<br />
::* A Baen Books Original<br />
::* Baen Publishing Enterprises<br />
::* Electronic version by Baen Books<br />
:: Note the use of "A Baen Book" in the first case and "A Baen Books Original" in the second case. The lack of the word "Original" in ''Dead Man Walking'' is due to the fact that it's a US reprint of a UK book, but otherwise "Baen" and "Baen Books" are used interchangeably.<br />
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:: Second, in an ideal world, we would capture two separate values: "publisher name as stated in the publication" and "canonical name of the publisher"; it would be similar to the way we treat variant titles and canonical names. Since we don't have this functionality implemented, I think it would be best to merge the two publisher records. Updating Notes would be nice, but, given the mixed use of the two names (as seen above), it may be more hassle that it's worth. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:43, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::What does it state on the title page, though? We generally go with that over what it states on the copyright page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:31, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Unfortunately, Amazon.com's Look Inside tends to use e-books' data for paper editions and e-books don't always have clearly defined title pages. I have many older Baen books in my paper collection, but nothing recent, so I can't check. For what it's worth, Look Inside shows that the two pubs linked above do not mentions the publisher in the "title page" sections. The sections immediately below them say "BAEN BOOKS by [author name]: [list of titles]", but that doesn't clarify things. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:13, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::All of the recent ones I have just have the Baen logo at the bottom of the title page, so I'd go with "Baen". ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:35, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Post-submission pages for AddPub and ClonePub submissions tweaked ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for AddPub and ClonePub submissions have been adjusted to display more information about the title record that the new publication will be merged with. The "auto-merge" line now displays the same title information, including variant/translation data, that is displayed in the Contents sections of Publication pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:19, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dash or 00 ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Dark_Carnival_Date; Re: this discussion, do any experts here know of a way to automatically change all LCCN entered on this site, pre-whatever the date was when they changed from using a dash to zeros, from zeros to dash? I just enter them as they are on their site but, even though it makes no real difference because links lead to the records whether they have dashes or zeros, it would be better, I suppose, to have them as they appear in the books. Now all this is assuming that all pre-change LCCN had dashes and all post-change LCCN have zeroes, which I'm sure isn't true, but anyway I thought I'd ask. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Vuk ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kostic&type=Name; Vuk Kostic and Vukkostic are the same, I assume, 1 says Serbian and the other English, in case anyone wants to decide which should be the parent and which the variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:51, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Day Khrus(h)chev Panicked ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1618562; Did some edits a long time ago, came across it again today and added cover images and LCCN ID to both HC, Brits spelled name in title without a middle H, Yanks with a middle H. I fixed that for Cassell (title page seen on Cracabond Books, a site I don't think I've ever heard of before), Random House title page on Google confirms the middle H, Macfadden in Google Images confirms the middle H, if Digit title page can be seen then we'll know all and main title can be changed and American editions' title can be a variant (there's also a UK Ensign edition on AbeBooks without the middle H on the cover, so I think it's safe to say American H, British no H). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:03, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stained-Glass World ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?232309; I added a bunch of Kenneth Bulmer edits yesterday, and this, the last one, was just adding an Archive.org link, but then I noticed the month doesn't match the one in the note. I asked RTrace since I saw his name at the top of the edit history but he was no help, and of the PV the first guy's dead, the next 3 are gone (probably), and the last guy is still around but doesn't seem interested much in this site these days, so maybe Glenn is the only one who may respond helpfully; why is the month, which does say July in the book, April on this site? Fix needed IMO. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== AddPub/NewPub/ClonePub post-submission pages enhanced ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for AddPub/NewPub/ClonePub submissions have been enhanced.<br />
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AddPub/ClonePubs pages now display a yellow warning if the title type of the associated title record has been changed since the submission was created. The "Title Data" section of NewPub/AddPub pages has been standardized to use the same fields, field names and field order as EditTitles' post-submission pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:08, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Disambiguated author" yellow warnings upgraded ==<br />
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Post-submission yellow warnings for disambiguated authors have been upgraded. They now use the same algorithm as "There are other authors with the same name" displayed at the top of Summary pages.<br />
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This means that "A" will no longer be erroneously reported as a disambiguated name based on the existence of "A (W) Hendry". It also means that "Stephen King (I)" or "G. S. (artist)" will generate yellow warnings informing the reviewing moderator that they are disambiguated names. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:00, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Moderation Request == <br />
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Hello,<br />
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with around 10.000 changes to ISFDB since 2013 and also lots of source-code contributions I did really a lot for ISFDB and very seldom my edits have been rejected. As nowadays it takes extremely long to moderate submissions I'd like to have Self-Approver state. Hopefully that also leads to me adding a lot of my own books which I skipped until now.<br />
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As is probably known I'm not 100% happy with the way ISFDB works but adhere to the given rules. Thus I'll not use any additional rights I get to do more than now, but restrict my Self-Approver privilege to situations which I think consensus exists (misjudgment in individual cases included :-). For changes which could be troublesome I'd leave these submissions for other moderators to review (I assume that's still possible?).<br />
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--[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 07:33, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Hi, Dirk! Alas, I do have some reservation about that privilege: while you did quite a lot of valuable source-code contributions, I have the feeling that many (if not all) of your publication additions to the database lack the quality we usually try to achieve, especially in sourcing the data (that is: giving the sources for the date of publication and the art credit; I personally think that also statements for the edition - first [language, tp, pb, hc, ...] would be welcome). <br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938811 Here] is a quite recent example (this one also has a seemingly wrong format, since the vast majority of publications by this publisher with the same format are defined as pb). Many of your added / verified publications have stub notes or none at all, like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430657 this one]. (Also, many verified pub.s have missing or erroneous publication series, like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?807320 this] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?729179 this], the first example being again a stub record). <br />
:On the whole, most seem somewhat hastily added, and I'd like to see some more quality in added and especially PV'd publications. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:42, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Yes. I usually only add the minimum amount, because it's simply to much hassle to get it correct with a turnaround of multiple days for a change. It takes weeks to enter a single book correctly, especially as there is no preview feature yet and I have to redo everything when I make an error. Thus I only add the information which is required and important, nothing else. I certainly don't add all the information which it seems you find is necessary in the notes, but I add all the relevant information and I don't add wrong information. In the examples you showed there is no error: The example books you choose are tp and not pb. The publication series for Bastei is still a somewhat strange thing and not really visible in the books. The older books I added thus wont have them right simply because this "right" changed over the years. For new entries I try to follow whatever seems currently used in ISFDB. P.S. As already said multiple times - ISFDB has a large amount of errors in non-verified and verified publications (also errors which have been introduced to my verified books which have been correct when I entered the information). When the threshold to participate is too high that also wont change. I tried to help fix the software for this but the attempt didn't work out. I see that a small part of my ideas have be implemented in the last years, but nothing game-changing. Maybe to give you a note what I actually talk about: I own ~2300 SF and F books, 825 of these I verified in ISDFB, 787 more exist in ISFDB often with missing information or missing the exact copy I have. 685 are missing totally. I simply did not add them yet and instead do my own database. BTW Some errors also come from different moderators of the time: One moderator forced me to do one thing, the next exactly the opposite. And I always complied even if it did not make sense. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:28, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: '''Comment''': I haven't done much work on the submission queue lately, so I'll abstain. To answer the question raised in the last sentence, if a self-approver leaves a submission in the queue, it can be reviewed and approved/rejected by a moderator. However, submissions by self-approvers are color-coded and moderators tend to leave them alone because the presumption is that the self-approver is taking a break and will be back later. Of course, a self-approver can create a submission, leave it in the queue and then ask about it on the Moderator Noticeboard. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:52, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Maybe there should be a flag "please review" to turn off the color code? I actually appreciate in other environments when you have the chance to let somebody else review your stuff even when you yourself could approve it. For the easy cases you approve directly wheres for others you seek per-review. It's a concept which I e.g. are very happy with in software update submissions for openSUSE Linux distribution. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:33, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fixed Story Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Great_Disciple; Maybe I'm not being clear or something, but I'm not getting the answer I'm looking for so maybe someone else can help me. I did a bunch of edits for Bruce Publishing books and this one required more work, using the copy on Google Books, because story titles, I assume taken from Locus, were wrong in 6 cases (and 1 was missing entirely), from missing articles to completely wrong. I fixed them but now that it's been approved the 6 parent stories still have the wrong titles. That can't be right, most of the author's obscure religious stories didn't appear in any genre works and the 2 that did had the right titles (although 1 of them, "The Hound of Cullen", isn't in this collection so now I'm suspicious because it has a 1951 date on ISFDB but appeared in F&SF in 1953, so I wonder if the missing story I entered, "The End of Coo-Cullen", is that story retitled) so there's no variant, so how can I get both author names to show the correct titles? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:You would have received the answer you were looking for had you told the reviewer; "The titles were only published under an alternate name so there is no reason the canonical name titles should differ." To correct, simply edit the canonical name titles and make the same corrections. However, I question whether [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?106837 William Bernard Ready] should even be the canonical name. I don't see a single title published using that name. I would make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13494 W. B. Ready] the canonical name with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?101925 William Ready] an alternate. This would obviate the need for the above edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:39, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Which Henry Holt? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601242; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601243; This is the 2nd time recently that this moderator has rejected edit(s) of mine while telling me to ask PV first when I clearly did that in both cases. This one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597731, was asked about here, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Swfritter#A_Month_of_Mystery, but I just decided to cancel it because trying to fix the countless verified editions of books that are clearly book club editions but not identified as such by the PV is too much for me to handle so I've decided to not do those kinds of edits anymore, but as for the 2 edits at the top of this message there's no reason for them to be rejected because as I explained here, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rosab618#Henry_Holt, this publisher on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?60311, only has a few entries including those 1990's books entered recently by the same PV, while this publisher, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?86, has almost all their books including pretty much everything published between 1986 and 2023, as is clearly explained in the note at the top of the page where it says they reverted back to that name in 1986. The 2 PV books say Henry Holt and Company on the title page so if we're going by what they actually say it wouldn't match any publisher currently on ISFDB. Standardization, right? Isn't that what mods are always saying, don't enter multiple publisher names? I think those 2 should be un-rejected. If not, I'd hate to see how many of the hundreds of "Henry Holt" books currently on ISFDB would need to be changed to "Henry Holt and Company". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:48, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:You're mischaracterizing this a bit. In both cases, you submitted the edit before receiving a response from the primary verifier. Changing the name of the publisher is a major change to a publication record and should not be done without the prior assent of all active verifiers. Worse, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597731 this submission] would have replaced the record for the trade edition with one for a book club edition, effectively deleting the record for the trade edition from the database. I explained this in the rejection note, and again when you [[User talk:Rtrace#MoM|objected]] on my talk page and I am explaining it for a third time here. I also explained in all these places that you need to get a response from the verifiers before submitting the original edit. Now, whether a title page stating "Henry Holt and Company" should be reflected as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?86 Henry Holt], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?60311 Henry Holt & Co.] or a new publisher is an open question. However, it is still necessary to have a dialog with the verifiers before changing those records. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:58, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== FOCUS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?37441; I believe we have 4 separate publishers here: A German one, a British one (reprint of HC de la Mare book), an imprint based in Massachusetts who did Shakespeare, and a kid's book which maybe should have a different publisher, Tyndale, because it says "Focus on the Family" on the cover so Focus is more likely to be a series. In case anyone cares to differ them in some way. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon UK ==<br />
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In this case, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312797, is it OK to replace the price and enter a link to this, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL22560761M/The_monsterologist, since there's no UK price and editor just entered the price from Amazon? This happens a lot. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:20, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== For those interested in Lovecraft and Winnie the Pooh ==<br />
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I ran across [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hemelein/the-horror-at-pooh-corner this Kickstarter] which combines the two. The anthology won't be out for about a year, but it's something to look forward to (I backed it). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:24, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== R. Dickerson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=dickers&type=Name; Russell has many interviews, Russ has 1 which has an alternate because of a language note or something. So 1 of those should be a variant of Russell. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:47, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Karloff the Editor ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35824; A copy of Avon was just uploaded on Archive.org so I added a link, also added C to the price for the other (Canadian) Avon, added the month to the regular title since Avon was first edition, added other countries' prices to Corgi from back cover seen on FantLab, but most significantly added introduction to Souvenir based on photo on FantLab. It's not in Avon so it seems they added it for British editions; however, the only evidence here is in that Portugal edition where it says Introdução. So when my edits are approved that probably should be made a variant of Introduction and if anyone owns the British paperbacks the introduction is probably in those, too, and should be imported. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:16, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== De Grote Horror Omnibus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?175406; Just uploaded is this, https://archive.org/search?query=grote-horror, which seems to be a German edition of the Signet omnibus, in case any German/German-fluent person wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:28, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== C. Anderson ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=contains&TERM_1=craig&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=anderson&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author]; I added OL ID to Science Fiction Films of the Seventies some time ago and today came across it again and added Archive.org link; I noticed cover artist might be the same as the author and there's another similar name, all linked above, in case anyone knows if they're all the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Maureen F. McHugh's The Cost to Be Wise - novelette or novella? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?59780 This] is categorized as a novelette, but it was nominated for 3 different awards in the novella category. If I look at the page counts in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347490 The Mammoth Book of Best Short SF Novels], it shows as 45 pages, which is the same as the following story - Greg Egan's Oceanic - which is categorized as a novella. (The rest of those "short novels" are all categorized as novellas, but they have longer page counts.) Google search results for 'mchugh "the cost to be wise"' followed by "novella" or "novelette" also indicate it is considered to be the former.<br />
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There are over a dozen verified pubs containing this story (which distill down to the 1996 Starlight anthology it appeared in, the 1997 Dozois Year's Best, a 2005 author collection, a Lightspeed mag special issue, and the aforementioned Dozois "short novel" anthology), so I'm wary of changing the type without some sort of discussion or second opinion. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:42, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I happen to have one of the anthologies as an ebook. After converting it to TXT and removing the other stories, the table of contents, etc, I see that the text contains 19,500 words if you count the title. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:45, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. If there are no dissenting voices here, I propose to make the novelette->novella switch in a couple of days. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:11, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: With a confirmed length, noone can object :) Add a note on the approximate length and change it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:02, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Just to close this off, the switch to novella has now been done. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:31, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derleth's Sleeping ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606597; Almost missed this rare one uploaded on Archive.org because they're doing something weird where the upload date is different than the added date which is causing a lot of confusion; anyway, PV is a bit...testy judging by my last contact with them, so I'm dry-running this here before letting them know of my changes. Does anyone see anything wrong with my edit? Title as it is on title page, spurious subtitle moved to notes, FantLab ID because it shows cover that coverless copy doesn't, etc. Also, I checked the Four Square abridgement on Dalby's site and it says "AND", not "&", on title page, so variants needed? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33526; I see I added copy link and FantLab ID recently but now I've added LCCN ID, while noticing intro is dated with signed date instead of book date, something I've seen many times before, probably done by a specific editor who thought that's how it was supposed to be, so if it's not right one of the PV should fix the date. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606943; More title fixing; PB edition was recently uploaded so I made an edit adding link for that and title is "AND", not "&", on title page, so more variants needed? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== EditPub yellow warnings upgraded ==<br />
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All yellow warnings displayed in New Cover Art, New Regular Titles, New Reviews and New Interviews tables within the "Content" section of EditPub post-submission pages have been upgraded. They now use the same enhanced functionality already available on other post-submission pages.<br />
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At this point the only tables still using the old functionality and table layout are the 4 "Modified Cover/Regular Titles/Reviews/Interviews" tables in EditPub. As always, if you come across anything unexpected or erroneous, please post your findings here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:37, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: There was a flaw in the last patch. The 4 "New" tables no longer display a yellow warning if the publication date hasn't been changed and the new title date is after the publication date. I am working on a fix. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:39, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: It should be fixed now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:06, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: When you get a moment, please take a look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5607440 this submission]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:07, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for reporting the problem. It happens when magazine pubs are cloned. Working on it... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:53, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It should be fixed now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:44, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hauck ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hauck; I came across this, https://archive.org/search?query=%22compagnie+des+fees%22, and since many of these foreign editions have page counts off by a page or two on ISFDB because of unnumbered final page(s) I checked this one; page count was correct but the note about names on back cover was not. Heading off to ask the editor who entered the book I see that he's totally done with this site judging by the big red message on his board. So does anyone else own a copy? I think I'll do an advanced search and see what other books they PV; since they're not going to answer any questions maybe I can improve things a bit myself, add some links, etc. I'm sure some people here know what went wrong, so if anyone would like to give any details I'd be curious to know what caused Hauck to leave. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:23, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [[User:Hauck]] left the project in June 2018 after [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hauck/Archive16#Award_for_Paradiso this discussion]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:00, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Wow. The comparisons to Nazi Germany may have been a bit much. I asked because he responded to 3 messages from 2 editors last June to tell them not to bother because he's un-verifying his PV's. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:11, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::"'''the note about names on back cover was not'''", perhaps should yo try a bit harder... ([https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/f/fe/Lcddf.jpg]).<br />
::::I think you meant "you should", not "should yo". If you look at the back cover of the Archive.org copy you'll see no names, so it's likely tight framing on the right side that cut them off rather than it being some variant without the names. Also, I put brackets around your image link because the giant image was taking too much space. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Skeleton Crew Editions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?36904; There is the original hardcover at the top and at the bottom there's another by Putnam (should probably be G. P. Putnam's Sons like the original) which says it's from the Stephen King Library. The PV of that edition, AnimeBill, entered it in the very early days here and has been gone for many years, so no use asking them about this, https://archive.org/details/skeletoncrew0000unse. I thought it might be PV edition but now I'm thinking it may actually be a book club edition of the original since there's no number line. Is anyone here familiar with these editions who knows if there's some way to identify which edition the Archive.org copy is so it can be entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:21, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawn of the Dead ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5609977; I recently added the original Sphere edition with no A. in author's name but looking further I see it wasn't there in the original, either. Also, the price was wrong, and the title date is 4 months earlier than the book date while Open Library says December. I thought I had trouble fixing all the later editions some time ago but this is ridiculous. So let's try to find out which, if any, editions use A. on the title page and what the real month of publication was so that can be fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:34, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== H(elmut) Wenske ==<br />
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FantLab has a page for this artist and they say he did cover art for Night Chills, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23919, but besides a Flickr page nobody else credits him online and there's no credit in the book or signature on the cover that I can see. Another 1975 Avon book, Harvest of Fear, does have a Wenske cover which is a variant of an older cover for something else, so either FantLab confused the 2 books or the Night Chills cover is another variant of some older cover. Anyone recognize it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:41, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New Infinities ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=new+inf&type=Publisher; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611320; One of the few from this publisher with no PV, I changed publisher to what it says in the book, this was discussed long ago but I think now would be a good time to decide on standard names, there are some books published just by New Infinities with BSM on cover (Berkley), who were just the distributor, while later ones have the Ace symbol on the cover and they're also mentioned on the copyright page. So, assuming all books say New Infinities Productions on title page and not just New Infinities, I think older ones should be New Infinities Productions (like the 3 Swycaffer books already are) and later ones should be New Infinities Productions / Ace. What do you think? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611351; Some of their books didn't even have the publisher on the title page. Also, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sea-Death-G-Gygax/dp/044175676X, which has some ID number on the upper left; British edition or something else? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) '''11:08 and 11:28''', 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: ''This section divided in two, by reference to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3ACommunity_Portal&type=revision&diff=658024&oldid=658022 Differences between revisions 11:28 and 11:33] (personally unfamiliar with these coverart archives). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:08, 18 March 2023 (EDT)''<br />
=== SFE-hosted images at /nicholls/ ===<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611356; Is it possible to get "nicholls" images supported at SFE? Peter Nicholls passed away a few years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) '''11:33''', 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Link for uploading author picture ==<br />
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Publications have a handy link that allows uploading of a new cover image. Can we have one of those for people, too, and have it preload the fair use author image template? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:33, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I can't think of a reason not to add one. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:41, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Contents Question ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5613311; Should those 2 collection titles in the contents be removed after approval? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:18, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No, they belong. Pipes will be needed to ensure they remain in the proper positions. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:24, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Oops. Sorry, pipes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 18 March 2023 (EDT)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Bio:Jane_Oliver&diff=658041
Bio:Jane Oliver
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<p>Pwendt: +current status at Library of Congress</p>
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Date of death via [http://abitofhistory.net/html/rhw/R.htm A Bit of History], full name via [http://www.authorandbookinfo.com/ngcoba/re.htm New General Catalog of Old Books and Authors] and [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3nPYfqEbfrsC&pg=PA1023&lpg=PA1023&dq=Helen+Christina+Easson+evans&source=bl&ots=ZC27UuS0_J&sig=TPzMTzoQEvJpkctHjOYM6JMng3s&hl=nl&ei=2IaVTonjH4Oj-gbBrZCECA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Helen%20Christina%20Easson%20evans&f=false Reginald2, page 1023]:<br />
* Helen Christina Easson REES, nee EVANS {UK} (F: 1903 (or 1904) Oct 12 - 1970 May 4)(ps: Jane OLIVER)<br />
* Daughter of Rufus Easson Evans.<br />
--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:32, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Library of Congress Authorities formally names her "Oliver, Jane, 1903-70" and cites the German national library (March 2021) for biographical data --same as above, with birthdate 1903-10-12. [https://lccn.loc.gov/n50077301 LCCN n50077301].<br />
: But LC catalogues her books under personal name "Oliver, Jane, pseud." From LCCN n50077301, select "Browse this term in [...] <u>LC Catalog</u>".<br />
: Probably the latter will be updated someday. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:34, 17 March 2023 (EDT)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Username&diff=658038
User talk:Username
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<div>{{welcome}} [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:14, 18 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|875023|Tales of Mystery and Revenge}} ==<br />
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How are we to know thet "Day of Vengeance" from 1948 was retitled as "The Bone Bead Necklace" for this collection?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:39, 18 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Archive.org had issues of The Saturday Evening Post which aren't there anymore. "Day of Vengeance" in the Apr 10, 1948 issue concerns a soldier in South Africa cursed by a witch doctor. Both men end up dying, but the curse is passed down over the years to the soldier's relatives. My not having a copy of Langley's 1950 collection makes it difficult to verify, but I find it hard to believe he wrote 2 stories about witch doctors cursing someone (especially since the Post story has an illustration on the 1st page of the witch doctor wearing a bone necklace). I guess someone with access to that 1948 issue and either the 1950 collection or its 1969 reprint (or Medley Macabre where the story was reprinted) will have to compare and verify. I see no mention on the web of these 2 stories being the same, so I'd be happy to be the first to notice this.[[User:Username|Username]]<br />
:: We definitely need more than just what you recollection is.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 07:04, 19 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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So on picclick.co.uk I discovered 1 copy of the 1950 edition, [https://picclick.co.uk/Tales-of-Mystery-and-Revenge-by-Noel-Langley-142458018002.html], and entered the page #'s on ISFDB, but noticed the acknowledgements mention 3 stories, "the Fall of the Fothergays", "Saint Wilbur", and "But a Good Cigar is a Smoke" are credited to the Saturday Evening Post. "...Fothergays" says on philsp.com it's from a 1947 issue of Woman's Journal and the other 2 stories don't have any info online verifying they're from the Post, so I think this bolsters my belief that he retitled some of his stories for book publication. I also found a weird PDF of the 1969 reprint, [http://www.sepel.uerj.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Tales-of-Mistery-and-Revenge-Noel-Langley.pdf], which has different page #'s (which I also entered on ISFDB) but the same acknowledgements. This was one of my very first edits and it still bothers me that I threw away my printout of the story from archive.org shortly before I became an editor, since the archived Post issues were taken down for some reason. There's a site, saturdayeveningpost.com, but they charge a membership fee. I'll have "Day of Vengeance" entered on ISFDB yet! --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:49, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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So I found this, [https://picclick.co.uk/Saturday-Evening-Post-April-10-1948-John-Atherton-174551293028.html]. Picture #2 shows the contents page with "Day of Vengeance" and Picture #11 shows a piece of the story on the right side. So that's proof of the story and some text for someone who has any of the books with "The Bone Bead Necklace" to compare and verify if they're the same. "Day of Vengeance" will be mine! --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:28, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Edits ==<br />
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We appreciate the information you are providing. However, instead of just submitting the info in the moderator notes, please feel free to make the necessary edits. If content needs to be added to a pub, you can edit the pub. If the same story appears under multiple titles, you can variant this to one another. There are links to the help in the welcome message above. Let us know if you have any questions ([[ISFDB:Help desk]] is a good resource for asking). We hope you will continue to contribute. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:32, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for the advice. I variant titled Dat Tay Vao with Dat-Tay-Vao and Mrs Halfbooger's Basement with Mrs. Halfbooger's Basement since those 2 fixes were supposedly title-updated by you according to "My Recent Edits" but weren't actually changed at all. I figured out how to do them myself. However, both reported a Length Mismatch because the correct titles were classed as "short story" but the variants were not classed at all. I guess that's another fix I'll have to do myself for future titles. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Username|contribs]]) .</small><br />
::Sorry, about that. Looks like I hit approve instead of hold. I have been holding edits until I had a chance to make the change. I approved the variants and set the lengths on the variants. I also moved this conversation from my page over to here as, by convention, we keep conversations centralized as it makes it easier to follow. Thanks again for these contributions. I will continue to process the edits on hold. However, if you wish to do them yourselves, you can cancel the existing edit that is just a note and submit the actual change. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:17, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Among the Pictures Are These: ==<br />
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As the ending colon seems likely a database typo, I have [[User_talk:SFJuggler#Among_the_Pictures_Are_These:|asked the verifier]] to double check. I will fix or variant based on the answer. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:04, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:It was a database typo and has been corrected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:03, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Stella Gibbons, a Writer and the Supernatural ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4865069 This merge] would change the title in a verified pub. If you believe All Hallows #32, February 2003 used a comma instead of a subtitle (ISFDB separates subtitles from titles with a colon), you need to post at the verifiers talk page and ask them to double check. Verification means that the person has checked the record against the pub & verified it matches. It's not a perfect system as people are people and we all make errors, but ISFDB etiquette is to check with active verifiers. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:56, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== How Kank Thad Returned to Blur-Esh ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4865426 This edit] will impact verified pubs. As one of the verifiers is active ([[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]]), you will need to check with them. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:10, 25 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== John Taylor ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4866416 this submission]: {{A|John Taylor}} is a UK author and {{A|John Alfred Taylor}} is a US author. They also have different birth dates. These do not seem to be the same person. Is there something I'm missing? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:37, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:I've separated out the stories per The Fiction Mags Index and other sources. There was actually a third author in there also. I've left a single story on {{A|John Taylor}} as I was unable to find anything on that one. Thanks for finding this. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:10, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:: That one story I traced to [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/s313.htm#A4878 John Alfred Taylor].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:53, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Sorry, that was actually an essay, I'll revert it.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:56, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: We better ask the primary verifiers of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98895 Beyond this Horizon] if the two Taylor entries in this book are by the same John Taylor. Contento has them both as by John Alfred Taylor, BTW.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:03, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Good idea. [[User_talk:Stonecreek#John_Taylor|Done]] --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:16, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Stonecreek reports that there is no biographical information in ''Beyond This Horizon'', but the context makes it more likely it was the UK physicist. I have added title notes to document that. Best we can do, I think. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:44, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The W.W. II Pistol ==<br />
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I merged "The W. W. II Pistol" to "The W.W. II Pistol" as the primary verifier is no longer active to ask and the Amazon Look Inside for the verified version shows it without the space. As for first appearances, you can update the date and add a note to title records that appear in verified pubs without asking the verifier. It is only if you change the title or the author credit that verification becomes an issue. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:32, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== David Byron ==<br />
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Given this is a common name, do you know if all the titles at {{A|David Byron}} are from the same person? I would like to ensure we don't have multiple people here before updating. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:59, 31 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Plagiarism ==<br />
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Hi, If you feel -rather: if you can prove- that a given story is a plagiarism, please enter that information -accompanied by links in the <a href="link">information</a> format- in the note field of that particular story and submit that, instead of starting a story in an author change request.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:17, 31 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Username, when someone asks you a question (like above), please answer the question on the wiki. There are multiple moderators and when you put answers in the moderator notes, different people will be reading them which makes it very confusing. In fact, if you are not submitting a change (i.e. only have moderator notes), then it doesn't belong in a database submission. It would be better posted at the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:27, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Pseudonyms / alternate names ==<br />
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Hi, and a belated welcome. I processed your submissions related to alternate names for {{A|Robert Steven Connett}}. They were fine, but one gotcha to be aware of when working with alternate names: Simply establishing one exisiting name as an alternate of a canonical name is not enough to get the bibliographies organized appropriately. For each of the pseudonyms/alternates, you also need to go through the bibliography of titles credited using that name and make them variants of new titles credited to the canonical name. So, for example, where you made {{A|R. S. Connett}} an alternate name of {{A|Robert Steven Connett}}, the cover art title {{T|1296305|I'll Be Damned}} needed to be made a variant of a new parent title with all of the particulars identical, but the "R. S. Connett" credit replaced with "Robert Steven Connett". That gets {{T|2816878|this result}}. (If we already have a record for the same title credited to the canonical name, there is an option link to it instead of creating a new one.)<br />
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If the alternate name relationship already exists, you can tell which titles are missing the variant-to-canonical-parent because they are still visible by default on the alternate name's bibliography page. Once a variant is in place, they are hidden (you can see them by choosing the "View all titles published using this alternate name" link).<br />
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You can make the variants without waiting for the alternate name relationship establishment to be approved, so you can do them at the same time. It makes life easiest on the moderators if you first submit the alternate name edit and next submit the new variant(s) -- then it's easy to see what you're doing and is also easy to see that the moderator doesn't need to go add the variants.<br />
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I took care of these, so just something to keep in mind for the future. If you run into this situation again, give it a try, and if you need any help just ask. Thanks! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:19, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Wake of the Wearwolf (excerpt) spelling ==<br />
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Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/tv_update.cgi?4871401 submission] has been placed on hold. As the work "Wake of the Wearwolf (excerpt)" is in a book that has [[User:Marc Kupper|a primary verifier]], what needs to happen is that you contact him and ask him to verify the spelling of the title in his copy of the work. I've asked Marc to comment here. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:16, 6 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Removing first appearance notes ==<br />
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While these are not necessary, they confirm that what we have as a first appearance of a story is indeed its first and we are not missing earlier editions and/or appearances. So I would not remove them -- I am going to reject all of your edits that are trying to do that. I would not go and add that as a note but if someone had added it after doing the research for it, I will leave it in place. Thanks for the understanding. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:36, 7 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Tales of Britannica Castle ==<br />
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I don't see why you need to variant this title. It is apparently a series, so the other similar titles may be different stories. Only if you know the contents of the stories do you need to worry about creating variants. Clearly, some of them are already variants; I guess I would accept what is already in the data base. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:55, 11 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Horror: The Best of the Year ==<br />
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List the stories you know in the contents and the authors where you don't know the stories in the notes for the pub, with something like "The following authors are known (from what source) to have stories in the anthology, but the titles of their stories are unknown:<br />
". [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 21:00, 11 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon images ==<br />
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When you use Amazon images, like that for "In Flagrant Delight", remove the part between the two underlines, eg. "...images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51UUVNH-hfL._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg" should be changed to "...images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51UUVNH-hfL.jpg". I've corrected a couple for you. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:36, 12 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Importing content into The Phantom Coach and Other Ghost Stories of an Antiquary ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to import content into ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?784537 The Phantom Coach and Other Ghost Stories of an Antiquary]''. The collection is under a variant name, "Augustus Jessopp, D. D." whereas the stories you are importing are under the parent name "Augustus Jessopp". Unless each of the individual stories has a different byline on their title pages, the form of the author's name should match that of the collection. However, that situation is unusual. Let me know if that's actually the case. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Some ancient archived magazine from 1883 I found on Google lists the only story by Jessopp on ISFDB, "An Antiquary's Ghost Story", with the D.D. although ISFDB does not. The collection by him uses the D.D. on the cover so I suppose all stories should be under that name, too. Also, richarddalbyslibrary.com gives more info about this book including an introduction by J.A. Salmonson and a preface by the author.--[[User:Username|Username]] 11:07, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::That's all fine. We just need to have the version of each story reflect the author credit as it appears in the publication where you find it. So four stories you added need to have the author credit as "Augustus Jessopp, D. D.". This means that you can't import [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?802837 this story], because the author credit lacks the "D.D.". What you want to do is just edit the publication adding all four stories manually with the correct credit. Then you need to make each of those stories a variant. For the one that we have without the "D.D.", you do that by Option 1 in the make variant tool and providing the title number of the parent version (802837). For the other three stories, you should use option 2 and create a new title with the parent name without the "D.D". This should also be done for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2753001 title record] for the collection itself. You can also add the Salmonson introduction, though if she is credited as "J. A.", it would be another variant situation as her canonical name is "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1180 Jessica Amanda Salmonson]". Please let me know if you need any help in creating these edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:05, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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Turns out it's a good thing I didn't follow your instructions, not that I understood them anyway. I was going to just put a link in the book's notes to the page on richarddalbyslibrary.com so people could see the contents until I noticed the damn page has a completely different book title in the URL. Apparently that website is just as careless with info as many of the people who edit on ISFDB, who just lazily copy info they find on the web without double-checking other sources to make sure what they're entering is accurate. Searching for another page about the book, I found one on lwcurrey.com that revealed there's only 2 stories in the book and the other stuff is all articles about supernatural phenomena. So I will enter a note about all this in the record for this title.--[[User:Username|Username]] 18:26, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Foreward / Foreword ==<br />
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Hi, I got your meaning in the 2nd round -but it gave me a chance to correct the nine 'Foreword' entries as well.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:37, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Sources ==<br />
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When adding details to an author like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?84861 William Castle], please note the sources you are using either by adding the site to the Web Pages (I added Wiki and IMDB as both confirm your data) or in the Moderator notes - it saves time when the verification is being done. Plus if you add them to the Web pages, people can see where the data came from without needing to go through the Edit history. While Wiki is usually a fast guess, sometimes the sources are more obscure (and as such harder to be found later). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Wikipedia and IMDB are almost as bad as Amazon when it comes to incorrect info, which is saying a lot, so I would never trust anything I read on those sites and copy info from them like so many other editors on here do. I find more reliable sources, usually in archive.org or other obscure places, and I don't link those sites because I have no idea if the site wants to be linked here or not, unlike "Wiki and IMDB" which everyone "borrows" info from.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:57, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: So what were your sources for this edit then? Data with no sources should be rejected. I will start doing that instead of trying to complete your incomplete updates. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:56, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Please note that, as is repeatedly emphasized in [[Help:Screen:NewPub]], editors should explain their sources in the Note field. In addition to the Note fields, which exist in all ISFDB record types (author records, publication records, title records, etc), we also use a number of other ways to indicate the sources of our bibliographic information: primary verifications, secondary verifications, External IDs.<br />
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::: Consider [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185757 this record], whose Note field reads "No publication date stated. The stated copyright date is 1966. Reginald-1 gives the publication year as 1971." It clearly explains what information is stated in the publication and what information was taken from a secondary source, in this case Reginald-1. (Certain old ISFDB records from before ca. 2006 do not state their sources; some of our editors are working on updating them as time permits.)<br />
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::: Please make sure to state your sources going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:02, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Transient verifications and formats ==<br />
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As a verification implies access to the book/magazine you are verifying and there is no note that you are working from a clipped/rebound copy [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819550 here], can you please fill in the format of the magazine? Especially for a transient verification - you may not have access to it later on. If you are working off complete scans or rebound magazine archive (so the format is harder to be determined), add a note to that effect to the publication so that is clear. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:42, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Naught But a Shadow ==<br />
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Fixed the format on your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819551 here]. "pb" is for American style paperbacks; all other paperbacks are "tp". A 5x8 inches paperback will always be a tp. The full help page is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Format here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:51, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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If that's what you think best, that's fine. I was basing it on the fact that every online mention of this book at reputable booksellers like Barnes & Noble refers to it as a paperback and not one calls it a trade paperback or tp except somebody selling a copy on eBay.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:49, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Please read the help page. “Pb” is used for mass market paperbacks. “Tp” is any other paperback. Don’t apply industry terms when we have the terms defined here. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:58, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Subterrene: Tales from the Shadows ==<br />
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When adding books without ISBN, adding the ASIN makes it easier to know what we have (and less likely for a duplicate to be created). I added it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819552 here] and fixed the capitalization: we normalize titles and "from" is never capitalized unless it is the first word in a title or subtitle. Complete capitalization rules are [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Title here], section "Case".<br />
: A quick question - is not using the exact date a decision (you do not think Amazon has that right?) or just an oversight? Thanks for adding the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:56, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
I wouldn't trust info on Amazon if my life depended on it. Their dates are wrong very often, along with much else. A big portion of my work since I started here has been correcting info entered by other editors who lazily copy from Amazon (or locusmag.com or philsp.com or countless other places) without double-checking with other sources. Also, when I enter info often I go back and add more and correct my mistakes later, so not having certain info doesn't mean it won't be added eventually.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dates ==<br />
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I am not sure what you mean with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892390 this note]. When you are merging, the UI allows you to select which date to keep - defaulting always on the earliest. I had never seen it behaving differently and when I just merged, it picked up 1991 - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?896324 here]. But even if it did not, you can change that during the merging so was there a different problem with this merge? <br />
: If not, what browser and OS are you using? Maybe we have a HTML/JS issue somewhere... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: I've merged hundreds of these. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:21, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: According to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi?9 Top ISFDB contributors (Title Merge)], you have merged 60 title records. Are you using multiple user names, by chance? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Upon merging titles recently often the KeepID column will have the date of first publication I didn't choose. I can't say why sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I find it hard to believe it only happens to me, so maybe asking other editors would help. Perhaps the updates to the ISFDB software recently by 1 of the moderators (see: Community Portal) had something to do with it.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:21, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: The sections of the ISFDB software responsible for merging titles haven't been changed in a number of years. There have been no reports of inconsistent behavior, but it's always possible for a new browser-specific issue to pop up. Could you please specify which browser and operating system you are using? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Skeleton Crew, March 1991 ==<br />
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Question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819554] - Archive has a lot more contents than you added. Is it out of scope? If so, there is a decision to be made. If we declare the magazine non-genre, then it does not get added. If we declare it genre (and it looks to me it is), then we can add the incomplete template so people know we need to get back to it and add it. <br />
PS: Careful with prices -- US$ is just $ (and added page numbers - if you rather not use the pages, add piped numbers for order (|1, |2 and so on) or a merge later on will move things around and the stories will show up in all kinds of weird order. Thanks for adding the magazine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:14, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: And on the same magazine - why did it jump from being a UK one to being a US one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2728851 see the prices])? It seems like the covers have both prices so let's stick with one of them in the Price field (UK I would say -it seems more prominent) and add the other in the notes? It looks a bit sloppy otherwise :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
There are over a dozen issues of this magazine that have never been entered on ISFDB at all even though it ended its run in 1991. I found out "The Reploids" by Stephen King was never reprinted in any of his collections but searching online I found out it was reprinted in an issue of this magazine, but only 1 issue had ever been entered by someone on ISFDB, so I began the task of entering the issues myself, only including fiction because most of the non-fiction is outdated interviews. I entered the price in pounds and after moderator accepted my edit I saw they had changed the price to dollars for some reason. So if you have a problem with that speak to them and tell them not to change things without asking the editor if it's Ok with them.--[[User:Username|Username]] 08:57, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Nope. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892491 Here] is your submission. You were the one who added it in Dollars. I approved it, fixed the format and came to ask you why. No one can chan a submission - we can only approve and then edit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:10, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Scott Connors/Scott Conners ==<br />
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Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892595 this submission] solely based on the similar names and the story of the other author or is there something that confirms them as the same person? While it is indeed very likely that they are the same, the name is common enough to allow for ambiguity so a bit more proof is needed - we connect names only when we are sure they are the same. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:25, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4893001 Sam Minier]? While the name is less common, I would still prefer a bit more data (listing somewhere? Bio somewhere?). I am more inclined to approve this one without any additional data than the other one but still... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
Scott Connors is a well-known expert on Clark Ashton Smith and has many non-fiction pieces on the subject, so the Conners record (which is not a story, it's an essay) which is about Smith is by the same guy, with his last name misspelled either in the original publication or by the person who entered the info here. The Minier name is the same person and philsp.com has the Sam Minier info under the Samuel Minier name.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:06, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Missing source ==<br />
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Please specify the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4893507 this edit to Fiend]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:29, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The cover for Guy N. Smith's 1988 novel Fiend is the same as the cover for Year's Best Horror Stories: XIX and is actually titled "Fiend" in Les Edwards' 1990 collection, just like the cover by Edwards for Smith's 1989 novel Mania was re-used for 2 different horror best-of-the-year collections. When the title of the artwork matches the title of the book it came from, that's your source.--[[User:Username|Username]] 17:51, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: And that is why we have "Moderator Notes" field on every record - so you post your sources and explanations there. And in the case of the cover art attribution, the source and attribution should also be always added to the publication note. I will reject your update so you can redo it and add the sources in Notes and allow (if you want) to add more notes to the Moderator notes (these will be visible if someone checks the publication history so they become attached to the book if anyone wonders later how the artist was determined) while the Notes field itself is visible without digging and even for non-logged in users. Thanks for finding this one and let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A little trick with magazines ==<br />
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You do not need to rename and change the date of the EDITOR record before it is merged with its yearly record (as long as an yearly record already exists for this year) - you can use either "Show All Titles" from the editor's author page (for not very active editors) or Advanced Search -> Titles with the exact titles and with "or" and merge directly from one of those screens (make sure you select the date with 00-00 - the site has preference to exact dates within the same year so it will pick the date with a date or month specified by default). Most moderators will merge for you once they approve a rename (as I just did) but that makes it a single step so it does not get missed. Rename and merge is not a problem of course - but less steps makes it less likely for things to get wrong sometimes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:18, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Night the Lights Went Out in Arkham ==<br />
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I've rejected [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4894790 this submission] because we don't link to cover images in the website field. That field is only for sites ''about'' the publication, not for cover image links. For the cover image, you can download it to your computer, and then upload it by following the directions on [[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki|this page]]. I've done that for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?762067 this publication] (including the price). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:47, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Red Scream ==<br />
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Hello my friends. So I was taking a look at this magazine which only ran for 3 issues in 2005. The second issue was only partially filled, so I checked to see if the remaining fiction was on ISFDB. 1 story was there so I imported it, "Suitcase Sam" (although date needed to be changed to magazine's date), but another story was there under a most likely mistakenly entered title. Wrath James White's story in Red Scream, "Razor Blade Fuck Toy", shows a 2014 date on ISFDB and the title "http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2019310", and was translated as "http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2018926" for a 2016 German anthology and reprinted in a 2017 German collection of White's stories. The 2014 date is because it was included in an English-language collection of White's stories, Cupid in Bondage, that's not on ISFDB. The thing is, that German title roughly translates as "Sex Plaything", which seems more like a translation of the original title in Red Scream. I suppose it's possible he wrote a sequel to the original story, but I doubt it. Not being familiar at all with White's work, I humbly ask someone out there who is to help sort this out. If it turns out they're the same story, I can import it into the magazine's contents and then never have to look at those creepy Red Scream covers again. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:16, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Over All ==<br />
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I approved you submission for changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1252537 Over All]. I varianted the author's name to the canonical form and yes, I flagged the story as graphic format. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 13:27, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Incomplete ==<br />
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When the contents of a book is incomplete, please use the template <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> and not some made up string. This way the magazine/book will show up on the incomplete report and if someone has the time and/or the inclination to, they can complete it. The list of all supported templates is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields here]. I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?427466 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:05, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: I didn't put "Contents incomplete" in the notes because I wanted someone else to complete the record. I put it there to remind myself it wasn't finished yet. 1 of the stories, "Scoop", was in an issue of Fantasy Tales but wasn't on ISFDB, which I found odd, and it turns out it's because Samantha Lee's name was misspelled as Amanda Lee, even though a moderator had verified that issue nearly 10 years ago. Nobody noticed that mistake until I did just now. Also, 1 story was published in 2002 under a different name so I still needed to variant the title. Also, several stories were published in women's mags and thus needed notes entered by me to say where they were first published. Also, a couple of story titles in the collection differed slightly from their original titles, so I needed to mention that in the notes. I don't just enter stuff, I actually try to do it properly. In the future I won't put any "contents incomplete" in notes so no one will be bothered entering it themselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:29, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Understood but things happen. You may need to walk away - and then forget when you are back. Or the approval may take awhile. So just use the template so in case you do not come back to it, someone else can. :) That's why we have the template - way too many "I will be back to finish it" cases that never got finished. Don't be surprised if a moderator adds the template on an incomplete edit though - once a story is added, it is the only thing that differentiates an incomplete contents from complete one.<br />
:: As for the author name - discuss the author name change with the PV - if it is credited with a different name in the magazine, it will be approved. If the typo is in the magazine, we will need to variant instead. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:43, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Scoop ==<br />
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Please discuss [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4901012 this change] with the PV as per ISFDB policy. As we go by the credit in the magazine, unless you have a magazine at hand or a scan that can show the spelling, we need to check where the typo is - in our DB or in the magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:47, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Well, there's the fact that her name is spelled properly as Samantha Lee on the front and back cover, and in the contents: [https://archive.org/details/fantasytales20000unse]. The typo's in our DB. God bless --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:01, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: All 3 are irrelevant if it is misspelled on the title page of the story itself. :) Do you happen to have a scan of that? Check with Bob - he probably can pull the magazine and check it. It is most likely a misspelling here indeed but stranger things had happened so we try to double check before we "fix" things. If there was no active PV, I would approve and add a note in the publication for the change. With an active PV, we may have access to the magazine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:06, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: I also encountered a few cases where the author's name or the title proper did differ on the cover, the table of contents and/or the beginning page, and a fraction of them did make it to spell it only on the beginning page different (supposedly erroneous). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:15, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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This link, [https://books.google.com/books/about/Fantasy_Tales_5.html?id=VyafBAAAQBAJ], gives you 2 copies of this issue, including 1 with a limited preview. Clicking on "Scoop" by SAMANTHA Lee in the contents takes you to the title page of the story where you can see that the author is SAMANTHA Lee. Her name is spelled properly everywhere in this issue. The AMANDA Lee name on ISFDB was just a case of a previous editor entering the wrong name. When my name change edit is confirmed by a moderator don't forget to import "Scoop" into SAMANTHA Lee's collection Worse Things Than Spiders. All hail --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:51, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: You know, it took a few minutes to ask the PV and get an [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Fantasy_Tales_V12n5.2C_Autumn_1990 answer]. Update approved. Feel free to import it anywhere it needs to go. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:15, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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The only reason to ask the PV is if I was unable to see a copy of the work in question. There are multiple copies online including the one I linked on Google Books which proved that the name on the title page was really Samantha. I only bother other people when I can't see the evidence for myself, which didn't apply in this case. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:28, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:You should always check with the PV when possible. There may be some cases where they have an undeclared variant copy where the mistake is present, which may differ from the copy you have (in which case, we'd need to make sure both were documented here). Unless they are no longer active, always check with the PV. Always. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:03, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Decadence ==<br />
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If you have the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295007 this one], please add the page place numbers (preceded with |) so the stories are properly ordered in our listing. The ones that were already there have the page orders already, just the ones you just added still need them :) And if by any chance there are real pages numbers, we can use that on all stories of course. Meanwhile I cleaned up the list of authors with unknown stories in the note and added incomplete to make sure we keep track of the missing story. Thanks for adding some of the missing stories. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:15, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Language ==<br />
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Please refrain from using expletives and other coarse language when posting and submitting on ISFDB. It may be normal language for you, but it can create an uncomfortable atmosphere when working with other editors here. There are people from many different backgrounds on ISFDB, and we need to make sure we are considerate in how we interact with them. Please keep your language professional. Thank you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:39, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== ISBNs for books after December 31, 2006 ==<br />
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Please be sure to use ISBN-13s for books published after December 31, 2006. If you only have an ISBN-10, you can use [https://www.isbn.org/ISBN_converter this handy ISBN converter] to find the ISBN-13. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:11, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== El Hijo de las Tinieblas ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4906675 this submission], what was the reason for the significant changes you submitted? There was no note explaining why you were changing the publication dates from 2013 to 1992. That's a huge change, so an explanation is needed. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:15, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:[https://tercerafundacion.net/biblioteca/ver/ficha/1616]; exact date from bookdepository.com; it's a trade paperback, not a paperback as I originally thought. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:18, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Are there, perhaps, two different printings? One in 1992 and one in 2013? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:33, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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All copies on AbeBooks are 1992. The book's publisher, Martinez Roca, ends in 1998 on ISFDB, except for 1 stray literary novel in 2007, so it's unlikely they decided to reprint a cheesy horror novel from 1990 in 2013. It's probably just the usual editor's copy and paste error without checking other sources to verify the info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:45, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Okay, thanks. Approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:37, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Disambiguating author and publisher names ==<br />
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When disambiguating these, please follow these guidelines:<br />
*For the most established one (usually meaning they have the most work, or are the oldest company), leave the name as is.<br />
*For the other people or publishers with the same name, disambiguate them using a Roman numeral in parentheses. For example, we have three publishers with the name "Catalyst Press": [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6451 Catalyst Press], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?74316 Catalyst Press (I)], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?74317 Catalyst Press (II)].<br />
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If you do this, the database will automatically add a line at the top of the listing (whether for a person or a publisher) with links to any others with the same base name: "Note: There are other publishers with the same name: Catalyst Press, Catalyst Press (I)". Please let me know if you have any questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:42, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Offspring ==<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/darkoffspring00newy] Found this anthology which is completely empty on ISFDB was uploaded to archive.org back in 2010. I entered price, cover artist and introduction, but limited preview cuts the second page of stories off. Anyone with an account on archive.org can now enter into ISFDB the contents of this rare book which aren't listed anywhere online as far as I'm aware. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:31, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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I entered them myself. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:47, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Squad D ==<br />
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So this story, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?46121], written in the 1970's, was never included in any of Stephen King's collections and didn't get published until Richard Chizmar's anthology Shivers VIII in 2019, which was oddly published in Germany first. The problem is there's only 1 library with 2 copies of the book on Worldcat, so distribution seems to have been a problem. Scribd.com offers it as a standalone story but requires you to sign up to read the whole thing. However, I discovered if you click the cached version on Google it gives you the whole story. Oddly, the regular website's cached version is a mess of garbled text, while this version, [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RFGP0YSYP1cJ:https://pt.scribd.com/document/23283543/Squad-D&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0], seems to display it properly. So here's an opportunity to read this rare story. I wonder whether I should add that link to the "Squad D" ISFDB record. Any thoughts? --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:34, 11 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Red Scream - 2005 edit ==<br />
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Hi. I had to hard-reject your Red Scream - 2005 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4909155 submission] because that title record is no longer present. It was most likely merged with something else (probably [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2424596 this]) after you submitted it, and the merge was accepted first. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:18, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== "La Belle Dame Sans Merci" / "La Belle Dame Sans Regrets" ==<br />
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Hi. When changing the text of a title, keep in mind that the change affects all publications where the title appears. In the case of your "La Belle Dame Sans Merci" -> "La Belle Dame Sans Regrets", while it is "Regrets" in ''Terminal Frights'', it is "Merci" in ''Deathrealm #28'', so the fix-up needs to be done differently. First, we need to unmerge the title for the publication where it is incorrect, then we need to fix that instance. In researching this, I found they are not the same work, but rather "Regrets" is the sequel to "Merci". See [https://www.amazon.com/INTERMUSINGS-David-Niall-Wilson-ebook/dp/B0084V61ZA this]. So I am going to reject your submission and then separate the two and fix up the one in ''Terminal Frights''. Thanks for catching it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:25, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:This is done. See now [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?83544 La Belle Dame Sans Merci] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2834399 La Belle Dame Sans Regrets]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:12, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Publication (or title) web pages ==<br />
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When updating web pages for a publication or title, please don't remove current links (as you did for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?823713 this one]). Instead, click the "+" button next to ''Web Page 1'' and add a second web page. This helps prevent possible loss of information. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:31, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:I'm the one who entered that Phantasm anthology recently and found that archived page, then I found an Angelfire page still on Google with much the same info, so I replaced it. Always better to use a still extant page rather than an archived one, but if both are acceptable, then both it is. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:51, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::There's not really a limit on the number of webpages that can be entered, so having two is usually better. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:15, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Temple Servant and Other Stories ==<br />
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I've put on hold your edit to replace the Note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2056411 this pub]: "After Morrough's name on the title page is (Abu Nadaar); this is the pen name used when some of these stories were first published in magazines, primarily The New Statesman and London Mercury.". Replacing the note would remove the information about Moreau's other pseudonym "Abu Nadaar", and we currently don't carry that info anywhere else, so I'd suggest adding your new note to it rather than replacing it. Alternatively, so that it's no lost an appropriate place for this info would also be to add a Note to Morrough's biblio page, which you can do by clicking 'Edit Author Data'. You could also add a Note to the Title data for each relevant story, mentioning that it was originally published by as by "Abu Nadaar" in whichever magazine/newspaper it appeared, if you have that information. What do you think? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 04:42, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The verbatim note from The Temple Servant should be entered on ISFDB under that book's record but my note about "Abu Nadaar" can be entered under Morrough's name as "He published some stories under the pen name Abu Nadaar". Info is sketchy since some stories were published as by Nadaar and then reprinted as by Morrough in many old and hard-to-verify publications so a note will suffice. It's not anything major since there's many sites all over the web with the info about his pseudonym. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:34, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks, done. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 14:37, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Artist credit + notes/sources -- ''City Jitters'' ==<br />
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Hi. When you add an artist credit, such as you did for {{P|278761|City Jitters}}, you should identify the source. If it's in the book and you are Primary Verifier, then it's ok not to say anything (although it is helpful to state the form of the credit, even in that case). But if you don't have the book, the secondary source used for the credit should be noted. In researching the submission, I found the art on Les Edwards' [http://www.lesedwards.com/galleries/vintage/city-jitters/1097 website], so I accepted it and added the webpage link in the title record. Please take a moment to add your source to the pub notes, though, or one of us can add a note about its appearing on his site, if you'd rather. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:13, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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See here: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?887726]. The City Jitters cover is the parent of all these covers. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:18, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks for the pointer. I made the variant and added a note about the secondary sources to the pub. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Strange Tales: Volume III ==<br />
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Can you please share your source for the "bound by Biddles in black wibalin cloth stamped in copper" note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?317426 here]? I also fixed the title - we add a : before subtitles (and as the title page is visible on the publisher site, it is very obviously a subtitle indeed) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:11, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Same question and note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296408 Volume 2]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:12, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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That note was already there; I added the title change with Volume being added to the title for all Strange Tales (except Volume V where they just called it Strange Tales V). I don't know what Biddles or wibalin even are nor is that the kind of info I usually add anyway; some previous editor did all that. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:08, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Oops, sorry about that - not sure why I decided the latest update changed these - I think I mixed up notes somewhere. Thanks for fixing these. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:30, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Jason Lives: Friday the 13th, Part IV ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931475 this submission: The cover does not really matter - if the title page says IV, that's what we use - and we add a note explaining the discrepancy. It is most likely a typo in the DB BUT as there is an active Primary verifier, please discuss with them before you change a title. Thanks! I will keep the submission on hold until you clarify the matter with the PV. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:16, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives is a film that came out in 1986 and this was the novelization; here is a webpage, [https://www.ebay.com/p/1359743], with a VI on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:12, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: There is an active PV. They may be holding a book with a mistake on the title page in which case we will want to keep a record of both. The whole point of the primary verification is that someone has a book in hand. Please discuss the change with him. We work as a team here - which means that if there is an active PV who can check the book they verified, we ensure that we do not lose data or a weird variant... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:19, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Castle of Lost Souls ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Do you plan on adding the first edition for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931465 this]? If not, there needs to be added a note to the title record explaining the earlier date (or it will be re-dated again once it pops up on a report for dates mismatch). If yes, I will approve it so you can add the first edition. This is the kind of information that needs to be in the moderator notes so we know how to proceed :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:19, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Previous editor entered American publisher but used cover of original British edition, said format was tp when it was actually pb, entered wrong price, etc. I added all proper info for American edition; anyone who wants to enter original British edition can do so if they can find correct info; the cover that I replaced I'm assuming is the British one. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:21, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Which is ok. But I asked if you plan to add the British edition now that you sorted out the American one? If not, we need a note about the provenance of the date on the title record. I assume this is a no so I will approve and finish your edit by adding the needed note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:24, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Done. The note is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?27670 here]. This will ensure that the title does not re-dated to match its only edition (we have a report on that and it will get redated without a note sooner or later - thus the questions above). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:27, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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Here's something I just noticed while sorting this out; the price previous editor entered, $2.95, was technically correct because the cover for the American edition available on Amazon says so. However, [https://gamebooks.org/Item/42/Show] clearly shows a cover with $2.50 as the price but the same ISBN so I assume that's the original edition. What printing the $2.95 version was is anyone's guess since they reprinted these gamebooks endlessly. Another slight difference is the $2.50 cover says "A Berkley/Pacer book" while the $2.95 one only says "Berkley/Pacer". So my record for the American edition will be correct if common $2.95 cover I carelessly added is replaced with rare $2.50 cover to match price on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:01, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Sounds like a later printing then. In such case, clone the 2.50 book to add a new 2.95 one, add "Unknown later printing" in the notes and date of 0000-00-00 and a note on how exactly the publisher is credited (the Publisher field will have the same value). Then we have both covers and both prices and if someone every finds the 2.95 book, we can get more details about it. I do not like stubs when we have a choice but a stub record is better than none and we know the 2.95 exists - so let's start building it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Case of Need ==<br />
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The only source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4934934 this book] is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Case_of_Need Wikipedia]. There is no price in the source. Where is the price coming from? We need to add the source of it to the notes. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:22, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: [https://www.biblio.com/book-collecting/by-year/mystery-books/1960-1969]; [http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/447768635/]<br />
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:: Approved and updated the notes to indicate the source. Please add source notes for any piece of information you add that is not from a book you are verifying. That minimizes the chance of mistakes and ensures that our data is properly sourced. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:23, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Long After Dark ==<br />
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Changing the date alone like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935202 this] is not that helpful. Someone is just going to come along later and change it back thinking it's an error since it doesn't match the pubs and there is no other data provided. At a minimum, please provide a title note stating something like "Originally published in 2010 as a limited edition hardcover". But better, enter the missing edition so we actually have a record for it. See {{P|827946|here}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:42, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I come across records all the time which have 1 or more editions entered but the date at the top is earlier than any of them, but there's no note mentioning anything about it. I've created several records for original editions because the whole book is on archive.org or elsewhere, but those Delirium hardcover limited editions are rare as heck so I don't feel comfortable entering an entire record based on a few pictures and possibly inaccurate info from sellers on eBay. Entering an earlier date just lets people know there was one; if anyone owns a copy they can enter specific info on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:50, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::The existence of problematic records does not mean we should create more. Title dates should match the first publication in the database or have information provided. We have a cleanup report to catch and fix them, but there is a lot of stuff to do on the database. It is easy enough to add a title explaining why there is an earlier date. And given your tendency to complain about "lazy editors", I am surprised you would object to doing so. As for eBay, when it has a picture of the title and copyright pages, that is more than sufficient to create the stub pub record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:31, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The King of America ==<br />
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What is the source for the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937228 here]? Unless you really enjoy needing to answer on your Talk page, you can start adding notes inside of the notes field: "Price from cover/newspaper records/wherever applies" showing where you found the price". If it is the cover here, it is so blurry that it is not visible so... <br />
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If you do not start adding notes, all requests like this one will end up in the same way - with someone asking you for source, you responding, then someone approving and then editing to add a note... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:01, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf] is where. I enter a mountain of info on ISFDB at a rapid pace and don't enter anything unless I'm sure; I also go back over my previous approved edits and find new info I didn't enter/fix occasional mistakes. The price isn't blurry if you go to that PDF and magnify to 500%, then it's clear. Among my many different areas of interest since I became an editor is fixing/adding info for all these "adult" novels. Whichever editors entered info over the many years before I started left out many easily found covers, different editions, Catalog ID #'s, prices, etc. and made many mistakes which I'm fixing. It's a tangled mess but I'm doing my usual good job. What I find interesting is many entries have no notes for anything that was entered or where they found the info. So asking me to verify how I discovered the price for a 50-year-old porn novel is amusing. If you want to enter the fact that the price was verified by magnifying a photo on a porn PDF, feel free. Reading through these message boards and seeing the childish arguing and name-calling between moderators and other editors is not my thing. I'm all about the books. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:23, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have no issues with you being right. But all of this information that is wrong was added by someone who thought they were right - possibly from a faulty source, possibly by making a mistake while copying. It is a community effort - in a DB of your own, your word is enough; here we try to verify. Thus the "please list your sources in the notes". That way someone can verify later on - and 5 years from now we do not have someone else in the same boat you are in now - looking at data which we may have as well invented because there is no information where it comes from. Had this rule (list your sources unless you are PVing -- when the source is the book) been followed consistently through the years, we would not have that much to fix now. As you had seen, the older the record, the more likely it is that there are no sources at all... Allowing more of the information to go in the DB without sources multiplies the problems. So we are trying to ensure that we have sources now - for everything.<br />
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:: Catalog ID is a new field - it did not exist until ~5 years ago. There are a few more of these fields on the page - so unless the editor bothered to add the info into the notes, there was no space for the information. The covers are now easy to find, 15 years ago it was not that easy :) Some of these records are really really old. <br />
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:: I will be very honest here - if you do not add notes and just keep submitting edits with no sources, it increases the time for a moderator to process your edit (because they need to come ask you or do all the digging you did on their own, eventually finding the same and then approve and update after you) so your submissions will get backed up more and more. The cleaner and more complete your edits are, the easier to process, the faster they will get cleared. If all you care is the data and the books, I expect that you would like to ensure that the data is actually sourced properly so someone does not undo your work based on what they consider a definitive source (which disagrees with what you added)? :) <br />
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:: I will approve and fix the note for this one now. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:40, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?601551 done]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:44, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== In Flagrant Delight ==<br />
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The price of the US edition was on the cover so I just updated the notes with that post approval but where is the one for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937063 the UK one] coming from? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:18, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937180 Satyr Trek] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937182 The Erotic Spectacles] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937183 The Power and the Pain]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:39, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.amazon.com/Flagrant-Delight-Brian-McNaughton/dp/0700414800]; Satyr Trek's price is in upper right of front cover; [https://www.amazon.com/Erotic-Spectacles-Genghis-Cohen/dp/0700414703]; [https://www.amazon.com/power-pain-Charles-Platt/dp/0700414207]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:32, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated on all of these. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:39, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Frankenstein '69 ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937067 this one].<br />
* The ISBN is incomplete. The correct one is 0700412603. Easy to fix BUT there was a bigger problem<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/Frankenstein-69-Ed-Martin/dp/0700412603 Amazon.com] claims 1969 but [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Frankenstein-69-Ed-Martin/dp/0700412603 Amazon UK] says 1972. Amazon can be a real pain for older books like this one and their dates are anything but reliable especially on import editions. [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/display.do?tabs=moreTab&ct=display&fn=search&doc=BLL01002399343&indx=1&recIds=BLL01002399343&recIdxs=0&elementId=0&renderMode=poppedOut&displayMode=full&frbrVersion=&vid=BLVU1&dscnt=0&vl(freeText0)=0700412603&dstmp=1615839843736 The British library] agrees with Amazon UK. So does [https://www.worldcat.org/title/frankenstein-69/oclc/877216035 OCLC]. So I approved your submission but fixed the sources and the date. Please be careful with the Amazons - the US one is bad for UK dates and vice versa regardless of age (and the older the book, the less reliable they get).<br />
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The result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828073 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:29, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: <nods head vigorously> At one point I spent a significant amount of time working with Amazon's pre-1995 records. Some of them were extremely precise, e.g. some 1960s records had the correct date of publication stated. Others were off by multiple years. I suspect that at some point Amazon imported multiple third party databases (of variable quality) into their main system. We have to be extra careful with their old data because there is no way of telling where this or that record originally came from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:37, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And it is even worse for data from across the pond (in either direction). The somewhat good news is that most of the books from the 60s and 70s have BL records in UK if they belong there and OCLC ones for both US and UK books so that can help figure things out... Goodreads can be also good but a lot of their data is imported from Amazon and not cleaned up later so some of it has the same issues as Amazon. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:49, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Night Fear ==<br />
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The only sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937275 this] are the various verifications and external IDs. None of these have the page numbers. We need a source for them. I know you have a link somewhere - can you please share? And we need to note if it is based on table of contents or based on checking each title page one by one (a lot of books have discrepancies). I will approve and update but I need to know where these numbers are coming from... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:16, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.deadsouls.co.nz/shop/roy-torgeson-ed-frank-belknap-long-night-fear/]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:17, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:21, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== If God Wanted Us to Travel ... ==<br />
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Source for the month in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936820 this update]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:49, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Same question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936641 King, of the Khyber Rifles]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/ifgodwantedustot00bren]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
[http://www.locusmag.com/index/b347.htm]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:07, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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== The Earthquake Machine ==<br />
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Thanks for finding the artist [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?454505 here] but next time can you please also update the note because they way you left the book was with an artist added, no source for the artist and a note inside that there is not credit in the book and that the signature is unreadable... which is a contradiction and throws into question both the notes and the artist credit. Fixed the note after approval. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:54, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Assault on a Queen ==<br />
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Can you be a bit more precise about the source [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936723 here]? This is like saying "google it". :) Exact link will be helpful. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:57, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/8325/jack-finney/assault-on-a-queen]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:04, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and a note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Alabaster Hand ==<br />
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Source for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935814 page numbers]? And if it is a scan of the contents page, we should be able to resolve the notes issue as well (on what is included from the introductions and so on)... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:19, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And for the intro and the limitation number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935790 Mist and Other Ghost Stories] and the complete contents in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935785 the import]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/a-n-l-munby-the-alabaster-hand-and-other-ghost-stories-sundial-supernatural-press-2013-25-300?variant=8795937276003]<br />
[https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/richmal-crompton-mist-and-other-ghost-stories-sundial-supernatural-2015-limited-edition-265?variant=8885791916131]<br />
--[[User:Username|Username]] 01:41, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:08, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Her Magic Spell ==<br />
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I suspect that source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935862 this] is the cover as for the rest of these but as we do not have a cover, I need a visible source somewhere... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:27, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:43, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:10, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bride of Satan ==<br />
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Source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935875 this price]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:42, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:44, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:11, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Astrosex ==<br />
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Month source [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936301 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:51, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936303 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:52, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936304 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936305 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And a few more: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936306 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936307 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:55, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:18, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: These are approved and notes added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:35, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Keeper of the Children ==<br />
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Price source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936244 this edit]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:03, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936250 this one]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:03, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://picclick.com/Keeper-of-the-Children-by-William-H-Hallahan-233031460644.html]; [https://picclick.com/William-Hallahan-The-Search-For-Joseph-Tully-402035732963.html]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:16, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:38, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Halloween Horrors ==<br />
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Link to the contents page you unearthed for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936899 this]? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://fantlab.ru/edition185627]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:26, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: External ID and note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:41, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Masques ==<br />
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Source for the price of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828162 this one]? Fantlab does not have it (neither it have the back flap so I suspect you have the jacket somewhere and the price is from there?) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:28, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://picclick.com/Bill-Pronzini-MASQUES-A-NOVEL-OF-401742298339.html]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:31, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note added and external ID put in place. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:43, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Surrounded ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936013 Source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:50, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And more of these: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936007 price?], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936019 price?], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936031 price?] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558832 this one]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:09, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: [https://archive.org/details/cinemaoffantasti00stei]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:51, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Please remember to specify your sources when creating submissions. Not only does the lack of sources create more work for the reviewing moderator, but, more likely than not, it also creates more work for you because you'll need to dig them up again in order to respond to moderator queries.<br />
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:::: In addition, you are a relatively new contributor, so moderators are more likely to make allowances, but eventually they will become less likely to work on your submissions, which will affect the approval time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:44, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(unident) OK - that link cleared [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936031 Cinema of the Fantastic]. What about the other 4? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/faceoffearnove00coff]; [https://archive.org/details/surrounded00coff]; [https://archive.org/details/bloodrisk00coff_0]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And that leaves [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558832 The Sweat of Fear] ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935960 originally] which got approved by mistake last night but I did not reverse as I am sure you have a source)? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:16, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/sweatoffear00denn]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: ALl updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:31, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Paul Durst 1986/1990 ==<br />
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Mysteryfile.com may say 1990, it also has a [http://mysteryfile.com/blog/?p=33611#comment-7081383 letter by his daughter] that states "My father actually was buried on the day the Challenger blew up in 1986 in January, I had come from the States to his funeral.".--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:15, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Odd; makes me wonder where they got 1990 from and why they didn't read that letter themselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:26, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Rainbird Pattern ==<br />
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And the source for the price and the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940398 this one]? Also - looking at the cover, are you sure this artist has an artist credit and not just a designed credit (if the latter, he goes only in the notes). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:06, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The cover I provided has an openlibrary.org URL which is a project of Internet Archive, so a cover with their name in the URL usually links to a book on archive.org except when there's no copy available. That's where the price came from on the front flap and it also says "JACKET BY" Wendell Minor. It doesn't say design otherwise I wouldn't have entered it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:45, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: If you are using OpenLibrary for anything BUT the cover image, it needs to be noted in the Notes and in the external IDs. Plus tracking down the Open Library ID from the cover ID is as easy as finding the Amazon record from the Amazon cover IDs. If you cannot be bothered to post the link or the ID at least in the moderator notes and preferably in the proper places, you are asking the handling moderator to do all the research again - and your submissions will stay on the board for days and possibly weeks until someone has time to do all the work and verifications needed. If you start adding notes or at least all the links, it will go a lot smoother.<br />
:: In this case, the OL ID is OL4789610W which has absolutely nothing to do with the image ID: 10015820-L. You should not expect people to jump through 100 sites to find the correct books and images and sites you are using. <br />
:: Can you share where you saw the front flap? (Archive.org - got it. Will update) "Jacket By" means design usually on non-pictorial covers so I will change the notes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: OK... [https://archive.org/details/rainbirdpattern00cann/page/n1/mode/2up here is the book] on archive.org. Where exactly do you see "Jacket by Wendell Minor"? It is not on the copyright page, the title page on the front flap or the covers. And the back flap is not visible. Where did you see it? I may have missed it although I looked 3 times so can you point me to it? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:10, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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As I explained in 1 of my previous successes, I found that if you use the search icon (magnifying glass) you can access anything in any book even if you don't have an account at archive.org. That's how I find so many things no one else can. If you type "jacket", it gives 9 entries, the last of which takes you to the BACK FLAP where it says "JACKET BY WENDELL MINOR". --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And you could have explained that in the notes. Again - unless you link to your sources (and/or explain where they are so they are easily found), you are asking someone to redo your work. Which someone will eventually - but it takes a lot longer than it should. The book itself does not contain the back flap UNTIL you search with a specific term. Figuring out the term and using it takes time and effort. It may be easy for you because you do it on every book but people are not in your head. In this case just posting the URL for the search [https://archive.org/details/rainbirdpattern00cann/page/248/mode/2up?q=flap this one] with a (cover credit from backflap) note would have been enough. Takes about 2 seconds and saves the handling moderator of trying to connect the dots (and needing to ask you on every update). The more details you post in the notes/moderator notes, the easier it will be to work your submissions and the more likely is that they are not left on the board for long periods of time. Note updated! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:38, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tarzan of the Movies: A Pictorial History of More Than Fifty Years of Edgar Rice Burroughs' Legendary Hero ==<br />
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Price source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940610 this one]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:46, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/tarzanofmovies00esso]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:05, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No flaps visible. Nor is the price inside of the book (copyright page or contents or any other visible pages). The search for flap, price, $ or exact price does not find it either. So where is the price coming from? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:17, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tarzan-of-the-Movies-Hardcover-Book-1968-Gabe-Essoe-/293833386148]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:25, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note edited, source added in the moderator notes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:29, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Harlot Killer ==<br />
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The cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940655 of our book] clearly shows 25 cents. The cover [https://picclick.com/The-Harlot-Killer-Jack-the-Ripper-essays-book-193627208436.html#&gid=1&pid=1 in your source] shows clearly 35 cents. Which will make your source a later unindentified printing (not all publishers are nice enough to enumerate printings on their copyright pages). I approved the change for the page numbers but pulled back the price change (and added a note for the provenance of the numbers) and cloned for the 0.35 copy. If you can find a cover for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828729 0.35 book], that will be useful. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Typos in text fields ==<br />
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When you are correcting a typo in a text field such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940753 here], put in the moderator notes either the replacement (Frederic -> Fredric) or just the word you are fixing (typo: Frederic). That helps seeing the change quickly when reviewing your change and it also remains in the record moderator notes if someone wants to find out what you changed at some later point. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:27, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Exit to Eden ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940756 Price source?]: "price found many places online" is the same as saying "google it". Please point one place where you found it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:31, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/05/24/Books/3347485755200/]; [https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Exit-Eden-Rampling-Anne-Rice-Arbor/7744968713/bd]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 06:46, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Orphan ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940591 Price source?] If it is the cover by any chance, please provide a link to a better cover - there is something in the top right corner but this image is unreadable. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:35, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/774984696/the-orphan-by-samantha-mellors-published?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:19, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Delectus Books ==<br />
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Source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940875 this]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:06, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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My previous edit on pending list for Delectus edition of Wolf in the Garden has a link to It Goes on the Shelf as explained in the note, which is where the address is. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:25, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Different moderators can handle different edits. Each edit should have a source. I am not going to chase another note somewhere so please provide a source. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:49, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://fanac.org/fanzines/IGOTS/igotsnew15.htm]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:52, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated and year added to the note. Publishers move in 25 years so dating our addresses helps :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:18, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Of Pigs and Spiders ==<br />
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Not sure who you are talking to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940268 here] (you know that there is more than one moderator and only the one handling the submission usually sees the note, right?) but it would have taken a lot less time to actually link the sources you are using instead of complaining about a previous note. Please share your sources for all the changes you are making in this submission. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:11, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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It says locusmag.com in my note; that's where the info came from. I was responding to the usual rude, angry note from Dirk, who has been rude and angry since my start here last December. One of my very first edits was greeted with a rude reply from him, so it's nothing new. His rudeness spurred me to look for more info, which led me to locusmag.com and a bunch of new stuff which I entered here, so I thanked him for that. Sarcasm TRUMPs rudeness. I saw in another discussion he had with someone else that he was complaining about how much work he has to do and how ISFDB needs more moderators and how he was thinking of giving up and just reading a book instead, so maybe he's burnt out. I notice from their bios that many moderators here are seniors so perhaps younger, more enthusiastic moderators who are familiar with books written in the last 30 years are needed. If you really needed to know who I was talking to you could've looked at my rejected edits and seen his name there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:42, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Link to the exact place on the site you are using as source? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:53, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr1999/t2.htm#A60]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:03, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: The March date comes from Amazon.com (among other sources) - which may or may not be valid (1999 is old enough so I do not trust them too much on dates). Are we absolutely sure that this August release is not just the signed edition? Let me do some more digging before I approve to see if it seems like a single run of 333 was ever issued. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:28, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Teacher's Pet ==<br />
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The price is on the front flap. Where is the artist credited on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4941642 this one]? The back flap is not visible so if it is there, I need your search criteria that makes it visible. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:49, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/teacherspet00tayl]; search "jacket". --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:46, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:11, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Old Australian currency (pre 14 February 1966) ==<br />
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Hi, I altered the price to 4/9 and mentioned in the notes that the price is in Australian shillings and pences.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 17:47, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Starlog covers ==<br />
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Per ISFDB standards, we don't enter covers are cover credits for non-genre magazines unless the cover illustrates a speculative fiction story. I have started [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Starlog|a discussion]] on the community portal regarding the status of {{S|33627|Starlog}}. As it had a film focus and not a written speculative fiction focus, it would not seem to be considered genre by ISFDB standards. You are welcome to chime in there is you have an opinion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:40, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hands of Cain ==<br />
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Hi, regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_new.cgi?4947992 The Hands of Cain]: Why 1976? especially when you want to assign a price of £0.25....Inflation was rampant in the UK during those days, so £0.25 for 1976 is definitely off. Would you like me to change the date to 0000-00-00, meaning 'unknown'?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:07, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Worldcat link gives year as 1976 and gives page count, so those can stay, but no price so just leave that blank. If anyone checks a physical copy, info can be updated. The unique cover for this edition is the main point of interest. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:19, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Picclick.com / Contento in notes ==<br />
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Hi, picclick.com has no stable links, just like Contento/Fiction Mags Index, only worse: they go went the book is sold. Contento keeps adding content in between, so info keeps shifting page.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:25, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bride of Darkness ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953431 Source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:32, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Source is bright black .50 at top of cover, easily seen without magnifying. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:25, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: What may be easily visible for you on your monitor may not be the case for someone with vision issues or smaller/older screens. And images disappear - sometimes whole sites fall down, sometimes single images disappear due to mistakes or mishaps. This is why it is important to add notes explaining where the data is from in the Notes so even if someone cannot see the image for one reason or another, they can track the data (and check it on their copy if they have it). <br />
:: Approved and note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:27, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Unfortunately, this is true even with Amazon-hosted images, especially more recently. Amazon used to preserve Web pages for superseded editions, but it irritated authors, publishers and readers alike, so eventually they changed their policy. I don't know how it works internally on their end, but I have seen images replaced after the fact. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:18, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: At least for now the /I/ images seem to stay stable - although you are right that Amazon is now updating the old pages on reissue and linking to a different /I/ image - making a mess of any old records. Although I worry sometimes that they may decide to start deleting /I/ images that are not connected anywhere anymore - they are a bookseller after all, historical covers don’t really interest them (although I hope the marketplace is enough of a reason for them not to delete them). We will cross that bridge when/if we get to it (one hopes it never happens). In all cases, adding text notes on where the data is exactly is important. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:36, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Adult Version of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4951557 source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:56, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Source is top left cover where it says Calga Publishers; it's blurry but legible, and all other Calga books on ISFDB are under same name. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:20, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Roaring Tower and Other Short Stories ==<br />
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Sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4951521 these changes]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:57, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: pages: https://www.worldcat.org/title/roaring-tower-and-other-short-stories/oclc/776781492; first library on Worldcat's page, NYPL, has info about stories' pub. history; price: https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1930-01-01/1939-12-31?basicsearch=%22stella%20gibbons%22&phrasesearch=stella%20gibbons&newspapertitle=the%2Bsphere (also, ISFDB says "Short Stories" in title but cover says "Stories"; title page needed to verify). --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:10, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: That leaves only "hc". Is that an assumption based on the cover and price? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:02, 7 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== A Shoal of Time ==<br />
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Which "Hamilton's 1972 collection" for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4954164 this update]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:10, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: There's only 1 1972 collection on Hamilton's ISFDB page: FLIES ON THE WALL. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:13, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which does not necessarily mean that this is the only Hamilton 1972 collection - we keep finding editions and books even for authors we think we have everything cataloged for. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:32, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghost Flight ==<br />
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What is the source of the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4952028 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:15, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Source is the price printed on the cover, left side; Amazon page allows you to magnify and it clearly says $2.25. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:16, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Exorcist cover artist ==<br />
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You submitted a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4952510 name change] for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2055023 cover artist] for a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585356 primary-verified copy of a book], but you didn't contact the PV to verify the spelling of the cover artist. Please contact them to verify the spelling of the artist's name as found in the copy of the book they have. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:34, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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PV hasn't contributed since 2017. Also, ISBN-10 on ISFDB entered verbatim into openlibrary.org finds only a 1987 Bantam book named Sweeny's Honor, and entering it on Google verbatim brings up exactly 1 site, this one; entering it without dashes brings up a few pages of mostly Sweeny's Honor, but also a Worldcat page for the Exorcist and a Google Books Exorcist copy, plus sites that say "Sweeny's Honor" and "William Peter Blatty" together. So not only is artist name likely misspelled by the PV and art on this edition probably isn't even by him anyway but the ISBN is probably wrong or mixed up, too. So I've moved on to a hundred other things since I made this edit and now leave it up to you whether to do anything to correct these problems. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:08, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:That's not the way things work here. We are not here to do everything for you. While we appreciate your contributions, we need to to contribute things within the rules of the site. Please post a note about this to the PV's talk page, and (since you say they haven't contributed since 2017) to the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]]. We can't be making changes just because you ''think'' the PV ''might'' have made a mistake. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:06, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Encyclopaedia of Horror ==<br />
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I approved your cover scan of this pub. Looking at the ISBN in bookfinder.com, most of the copies of the book for sale are in Europe and the sellers seem consistent in maintaining the given spelling of Encyclopaedia. The cover shown is the same as you proposed. I suspect that the book was published in both the U.S. and G.B., with the spelling depending on the country where published. Maybe the cover with the Brit spelling is available somewhere, but I haven't found it. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:12, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Rootabaga Stories ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960928 this submission]: When adding Internet Archive links, please ensure they are for the same edition and printing. The record you are editing is for the first printing, but the Internet Archive scan is of the fifth printing (as can be seen on the copyright page). You are welcome to clone the publication and make a record for the fifth printing. You can then add the Internet Archive link to that record. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:00, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cartoon: "By George, Kincaid, we we're right!" ==<br />
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Hello, I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953361 your edit] on hold for a moment as I'm wondering if you can you confirm this isn't a typo in the magazine? If it is, it should stay as-is, and a note added to clarify.If you don't have a reference at hand, it's good practice to check in with the primary verifiers who can confirm. Thank you, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:42, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/Amazing_Stories_v31n10_1957-10_cape1736]; page 82 shows the correct spelling. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:59, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Perfect! Thank you, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:03, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Ghosties and Ghoulies'' and ''Tomorrow, Inv.'' page numbers ==<br />
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Hi. What's the source of the page numbers for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953811 this submission] (''Ghosties and Ghoulies'')? There's no comment, and you didn't make yourself a verifier. I don't see anything in any of the linked secondary sources. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:47, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Same question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953811 this submission] (''Tomorrow, Inc.''). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:50, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/edition135000; https://fantlab.ru/edition267370. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sources II ==<br />
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Hi. When you add data from a secondary source, be sure to adjust the publication notes to reflect the source of the data. Information in notes to the moderator is helpful to the person processing the submission, but those do not become part of the record itself. So, for example, while making the publication date on {{P|588303|Konga}} more specific based on the picture you found on picclick is fine -- and giving me a pointer in the moderator notes was indeed helpful -- the source still needs to be documented in the publication record. I have done that in this case, so just something to keep in mind for future submissions. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:00, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantlab ==<br />
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FYI, the "External IDs" feature (on publications) knows about Fantlab. So if you find a relevant entry on Fantlab, you can link to it using their edition number. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:26, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: It's a Russian-language site, so as a proud American I don't feel comfortable linking to them; I enter info here for people to see. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: One thing to note is that we are a strictly bibliographic site. As such, we do not let our individual political, national, ethnic, ideological and other non-bibliographic preferences affect what we do here. Even our data acquisition robot, [[User:Fixer]], has reluctantly agreed not to pursue his AI supremacy agenda here :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:38, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Also, while they are a valuable source of info their quality control is awful (like many other sites); frequently info they write themselves is wrong, so I only enter info from actual photos of the books or if that's not possible I double-check their written info with at least 1 other site to make sure they got it right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: You cannot have it both ways: If you are using them, you need to give them credit for the information (covers and/or data) and here, that means using the external ID and/or the templates (if you are using other edition's data). If you are not comfortable linking to them because of your nationality, then stop using them and stop plagiarizing their data with no attribution. <br />
:: This behavior is against the site's (Fantlab's) rules: "Любое использование материалов сайта допускается только с указанием активной ссылки на источник." which roughly translates as "Site materials can be used only if an active link to the source is included." If you are not willing to conform to their rules, you should NOT use any of their data. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:21, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: It all comes down to the same basic principle which has been repeatedly mentioned on this Talk page and elsewhere -- we need to state our sources. When adding data from FantLab, OCLC or another secondary source, we need to mention which FantLab/OCLC/etc record number the data comes from.<br />
::: If you find that a particular secondary source is not always reliable and use another secondary source to double-check the data, that's perfectly fine, but it needs to be documented in Notes. For example, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430831 this publication record], which says "Price stamped on the front flap of the original dust jacket as per Biblio.com and confirmed in Latrobe Bulletin." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:38, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Request about prices ==<br />
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Hello. I have a request. As you're doing very valuable work and, a.o., are adding missing prices, could you also add in the notes field the other currencies as well (if present of course). The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Price rules text] says: <br><br />
''British books are often priced for several other commonwealth countries such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Malta, Gibraltar, South Africa, East Africa, Trinidad (W.I.), and countries with a significant English-speaking population such as Spain and the Republic of Ireland. '''These additional prices are usefully entered in notes'''. Some of these countries also have pre-decimal formats based on the British pound and post-decimal formats similar to Dollar prices, and some have changed yet again to € (Euro) prices. If in doubt, enter these in notes exactly as stated.''<br><br />
That would be really appreciated. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:03, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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And also, as MartyD already pointed out above, could you add sources to the notes (or in the weblink multifield, as appropriate). Thanks! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:20, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== She Waits ==<br />
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Hello, I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4956535 your submission] on hold, as it says 'bad checksum' for the ISBN you updated, but you didn't provide a reference for us to check. Can you double-check and provide a reference here? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:18, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Upper right cover corner; I just checked https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/664652801/she-waits-by-henry-clement-1975-vintage, and there's a photo of the spine with the same ID, so if it's wrong it wouldn't be the first time a book had a bad ISBN; what the right one is, I don't know. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:05, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hi folks. I was just passing through and noticed this. The ID on the cover of that book is an SBN, not an ISBN, and the -125 at the end is actually the $1.25 price. See [[Help:Screen:EditPub#ISBN|EditPub help]] for a little bit about this situation. One could derive an ISBN from it by adding the leading 0, dropping the price, and adding the missing checksum -- 2 in this case -- ending up with 0-445-00283-2. A favorite site of mine for ISBN analysis is https://www.isbn-check.com/ . Whether that is correct/appropriate or not, I don't know, but [https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0445002832/ Amazon agrees]. Current policy allows use of the derived ISBN on the record, with a note citing the fact that it's derived and providing the stated SBN. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:30, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks Marty. Approved & fixed the ISBN per Marty's explanation. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:42, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Is your caps lock stuck? ==<br />
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Please do not shout in notes (moderator ones and even more importantly the publication notes). <br />
Fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375229 here]. Also please add in the note where in the book you find some information. Saying "PRICE FROM COPY ON INTERNET ARCHIVE" can mean anything from proper price to a sticker or a note somewhere. Specifying that the price is on the front flap allows a user to find it in their copy. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:47, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I did that so info I add stands out from other info; when I revisit records to fix or add (as I do constantly) it helps to know what's mine. I've already done about a dozen edits this morning, but if it annoys you future edits will have lowercase letters. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:02, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: This is a public database, not your private sandbox. Shouting in any notes (or the wiki pages) is not acceptable. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:29, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== If It Had Happened Otherwise ==<br />
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When you post the source as [https://picclick.com/If-It-Happened-Otherwise-edited-by-JCSquire-124248007500.html this link] and nothing more, there are 12 images and some text on this page. If the handling moderator knows where to look, the front flap image is an obvious target. However, not everyone does (or had seen the site before) so it can take a long time to look through all of the images and find what you had seen there (and you can even miss it on a first pass if you do not know where it is supposed to be - some of these angled images can be a pain). <br />
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If you add "image 4" to the link in your moderator note and inside of your publication note you state "Price from the front flap (seen on a copy in picclick.com)" or "Price from the front flap (seen on a copy online)", that saves time for the processing moderator AND they do not need to rewrite your note. See how it looks [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?381932 now] compared to your "PRICE FROM COPY ON PICCLICK.". Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:55, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Username, this has been a recurring issue with your submissions and is becoming a problem for ISFDB moderators. Keep in mind that we process anywhere from 350,000 to 450,000+ submissions per year. If moderators had to spend as much time on researching every submission as they spend on your submissions, the approval process would slow down to a crawl. This is unacceptable. At this rate many moderators may simply stop working on your submissions since their time would be better spent elsewhere. In addition, the current situation wastes your time since moderators frequently ask you to clarify your sources. All of the above can be easily fixed by explicitly stating where the information comes from in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:13, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Currently I have 250 or so edits awaiting approval. Many are cover images which don't require any notes so those are ready and waiting to be approved. As I explained somewhere here not long ago, the reason I leave info in moderator notes is firstly because when moderator checks they may find I made an error (although that rarely happens), and secondly because info that's entered in notes is not read by most people who use ISFDB, according to everything I've read on message boards; people mainly use it to find covers for old books they remember reading in their youth or to find where stories are, since many people request fiction from old mags and books through interlibrary loan and need to know exactly what pages to request (I've done that many times myself). --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: The ISFDB has tens of thousands of users and dozens of major contributors. They are all interested in somewhat different aspects of our data: individual authors, early pulps, works in certain languages, art, etc. If you want to concentrate on the types of data that is of interest to a certain subset of ISFDB users, e.g. the readers of certain message boards who wants to see old book covers, that's great. However, all submissions should meet a minimum set of standards, including stating where the data comes from. As I indicated below, this is non-negotiable. We make allowances for new editors who are still learning the ropes, but you have created over 4,000 submissions and have been repeatedly informed about this issue, so you are well past that point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:40, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Although I have found many rare books and entered much info not found on any other sites, a large part of my time here is entering hundreds (thousands?) of missing covers and entering page #'s/verifying story titles, because I know that's what most of the people out there want. Going forward I think I will concentrate mainly on adding more covers and page #'s/corrected titles, since adding missing hardcover prices from their flaps or exact month of publication from copyright pages or whatever else requires adding note minutiae I'm not good at, obviously. Also, I think I shall return to what I originally was best at, the finding of rare stuff nobody else can. If I do the occasional edit from now on that requires notes, I'll remember to add them myself so no moderators will be upset. While we're all making suggestions here, let me take this opportunity to make some of my own. When approving my edits, moderators should try to start from the bottom and work their way up. They often approve at random and miss my notes from a prior edit related to a later one. Also, I've made dozens of entries spread out on all the wikis (Community, Help, Moderator, Verification) with many questions/interesting info/requests, etc. A few have been answered, sometimes helpfully, but most have gotten no responses, so let's get some. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Questions and observations about specific bibliographic topics may or may not be answered or commented upon depending on whether we have active editors knowledgeable about the raised topic and on whether they have the time to do additional research. Sometimes it takes weeks or months before another editor chimes in and provides additional information. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:48, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Let's all try to stop criticizing unpaid volunteers and concentrate on literature, shall we? --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I'd like to chime in here. First (to get it out of the way), it's not because notes aren't read by most people that they shouldn't be entered - after all, there ''are'' people interested in knowing the source of the information available on ISFDB. That said, and as I've expressed earlier, you're doing a fine job of unearthing missing data. And it would make a hell of a lot of difference for us moderators (and for you too, since your submissions would be processed much faster) if you would add notes for us and other users along the lines Annie clarified above. It may get some used to, but I can't imagine that that would be an unsurmountable problem - at least from my perspective a win-win. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:17, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Sellers (I) ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4962654 this update]. There is not a single site listed OR a moderator note. Considering that this was sent in the last few minutes after you were reminded about the rules again, this looks like a deliberate refusal to actually follow the rules of participation on the site. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:51, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This is another example of how unsourced submissions waste everyone's time. It took me a number of Google searches and multiple minutes to find a source confirming that {{A|Peter Sellers (I)}} is the same person as the famous actor -- [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/anth/s233.htm Contento's "Miscellaneous Anthologies Index"]. Multiply it by 400,000 submissions per year and you can see how this is not a viable way of entering data into the database.<br />
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: BUREAUCRAT WARNING: If you continue refusing to clearly state where the data comes from in Notes, it will not only delay the processing of your submissions, but it will also fall under the "non-constructive or disruptive" clause of [[ISFDB:Policy]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:09, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::I had an edit approved by a moderator recently where I discovered the Peter Sellers who wrote "The Wastrel" was the famous actor but was mistakenly in the same record as the Peter Sellers who wrote genre fiction in the 80's and 90's. The anthology where "The Wastrel" appears, https://archive.org/details/knightsofmadness0000unse, has an intro by Peter Haining on p. 228 of the book confirming it's Sellers the actor, not the writer. Now that a separate record has been created for Sellers the actor I figured it would be good to fill in bio info and provide a photo, so that's what I did. I'm not deliberately trying to be confusing, it's that some moderators are less concerned about exactness and trust I know what I'm talking about. As I said above, once backlog of my edits are cleared I'm going to stick mostly to adding covers and finding and adding info not found anywhere else on the current web, which is what I was mostly doing when I first started here. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:37, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for the clarification. I have added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?292831 the title record] explaining where the identification of the author comes from. I have also changed "Peter Sellers (I)" to "Peter Sellers (actor)" as per [[Help:How to separate two authors with the same name]], which prioritizes the use of profession for disambiguation purposes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:46, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== And the Darkness Falls ==<br />
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Another one with no source (thanks for adding the note though): [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4962593 And the Darkness Falls]. <br />
: Where did you see the front flap?<br />
: As per the help page [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt for covers]: "The cover designer (as opposed to the cover artist) is only entered in this field if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field." If the only credit on this flap is for the design, then a cover is not added. If there is another credit somewhere, please provide a source.<br />
The edit will need to be rejected (so we do not create a cover that then will need to be cleaned up) but if you provide a link where the flap is visible, I will edit the book after that to include both the Jacket design information and the source. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:01, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I added external ID for Fantlab, which I was told to do by you recently, so I thought it was obvious where I got info from, but here it is: https://fantlab.ru/edition131050. See photo 6. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:40, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Adding an ID does not replace the note explaining the source. In the case of FantLab it provides the link that is required so that you can then attribute the exact information to them in the notes. Edit rejected and note and external ID added again as explained above. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:50, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Open library and covers ==<br />
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When you find the cover there, please also add the Open Library ID into the external IDs. While the links on the left usually lead to the Open Library book correctly (if there is an ISBN to use), this is not true for older books or in some cases where the ISBN is reused or Open Library has more than one version for this ISBN. No need to add a note unless there is something interesting in the record. See how I did it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207069 here]. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:02, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I've probably already added several covers from that site since the one you linked, but when I use their covers in future I'll try to remember to add the ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:07, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I'll add them to any I am approving if they cross my path. While it is not critical, it helps for non-verified books (showing that we are not the only ones believing that the book exists for example) and sometimes provide interesting details we lack (and which can go into the notes) :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Same request for FantLab covers (with the same reason). Fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?226381 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:32, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) One small note on Fantlab images. When you copy them directly, they contain at the end a session information (?r=1603912742 for example). Pull that out (anything after the ? and the ? itself) - while keeping them does not seem to cause any issues at the moment, it is unclear if it might in the future (the same reason why we clean Amazon images from all Amazon formatting). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:20, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Nine Rocks / Internet Archive links ==<br />
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Hello. Just an FYI - we record titles as they appear in the book. In the Nine Rocks case in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268366 this pub], this means that a new ''Nine Rocks'' title needed to be created, and then varianted to the original ''Nine Rocks in a Row'' title (I've done that here, have a look)<br />
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Also, when you are retrieving information from an Internet Archive copy, please add the link to the Webpages multifield iso buried into the Note to moderators. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:48, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Song in the House ==<br />
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When you have a link such as https://www.amazon.co.uk/Song-House-Ann-BRIDGE/dp/B003AQ2G5I (an ASIN based Amazon link), there are two ways to record it in a publication. <br />
* If it belongs to the book itself, as was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547479 here], just record the ASIN in the ASIN field and then just mention Amazon (the correct one of the 16) in the notes (which you did here already).<br />
* If you are using it for a credit but the link is NOT for this edition, you can use a template instead: <nowiki>{{ASIN|B003AQ2G5I}}</nowiki> for example. All templates can be found [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields here].<br />
As a rule, Amazon links are not to be recorded in the Webpages links - they are either ISBN10 based (in which case the ISBN carries them) or ASIN based (then we use the ASIN field). I fixed it in the linked book. Thanks for finding this one! Please note that the ASIN field is only used for ASINs starting with B, the number only ones are ISBN10 and we already have that higher on the page. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:19, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Forgetful Robot ==<br />
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Does "page #" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331270 here] means the "Pages" field or the page number for each story (aka the contents page numbers)? Also - let's use the word "number" and not "#" in sentences in the notes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:50, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Contents page numbers. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:53, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Note updated. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:44, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ghost Story Treasury ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960950 this variant]? As one of the anthologies has no contents, we need a source either with contents or showing one of them as a reissue of the other. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:07, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I found this, http://www.locusmag.com/index/b444.htm, which mentions first U.S. edition, so I think they're the same, just retitled; if not sufficient, just reject; children's books are often hard to get info for. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:34, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yep, that is good enough (the First U.S. edition (Kingfisher 1987) part at the end of the the US listing). I will add a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:14, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== British Books with two prices ==<br />
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You left a note about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?126061 this publication] which has both pre-decimal and decimal prices. If you check [[Template:PublicationFields:Price|this help section]], our policy is to reflect the pre-decimal price in the price field, so the existing record was incorrect. It's certainly also appropriate to reflect the decimal price in the notes. I'll correct this record, but wanted to call the standard to your attention. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:43, 15 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== It's for You ==<br />
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Where is the contents [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4959547 here] coming from? The Moderator note explains where the two dates are coming from but nothing about the rest of the stories or where the page numbers are coming from. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: https://www.amazon.com/Its-You-Keith-Minnion/dp/1950565084; (Look Inside). --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:13, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved with one note: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2855414 here] the date should be 2006, not 1989. We date the first appearance under that title. So I fixed that. And for the other story: we date when something is published officially; copyright and posting online can be added to the notes but are not used for dating. :) Thanks for finishing the contents. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:21, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== What Is Dungeons and Dragons? ==<br />
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If I approve [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4965935 this], it will change the data in a verified book. The PV is active so can you please discuss the change with him? If the credits are different, we will need variants. If they are the same, we need to fix BOTH the title records and the publications (once created, they need to be changed separately). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:23, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Apologies for interrupting, but FWIW, I had a copy of this as a kid (it may even still be lurking in a box somewhere at my parents' house) and I recall it having the 3 authors listed in this edit. My vague memory tells me that there wasn't much ISFDB-relevant in it though - maybe a chapter about fictional inspiration for RPGs - so I doubt it would be accepted as a new submission nowadays.<br />
: I notice [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?10337 John Butterfield] also has a bunch of earlier artwork for US pubs (at least the ones I've checked). I'm pretty sure that will be a different person - my (again very vague) recollection of this book is that the authors were all recent graduates from the same UK university, so it seems unlikely this person was also doing pro-art for US publishers 3-4 years earlier. I don't know how/where you might be able to prove that though... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 13:57, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which is fine and I do not disbelieve the edit. BUT there is an active PV on one of the books and the site policies and common courtesy require someone to talk to them because they have the book and can open it and check (despite being Transient - it was January 2021 so there is a chance they still have access or remember better than someone who saw it last century ... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:12, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And yeah - seems like two different people. Let me do some more digging. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Companion ==<br />
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I thought we agreed above that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4966265 this kind of updates] will have notes added as well. I approved the previous one and added the note. I will approve this one and update again but can you please ADD notes? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:37, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I've been trying to add more notes since the above discussion but an edit that includes only a price that's on the cover which is on the ISFDB record and wasn't entered by prior editor for whatever reason doesn't require a note; notes are for info not visible like copyright pages and hardcover prices and whatnot. This series had the same price for all 15 books so price was obvious, anyway. I do so many of these edits every day that it's very tiring to remember to enter every last note and external ID and whatever else you all want, but I have been adding more. Perhaps it would be better if you just reject anything that you find something wrong with and explain what you need in the rejection note rather than sending message after message on my talk page. Or maybe you should confine your approval of my edits to only cover images which don't require anything else and leave the other edits to someone else. Unlike someone who I read on ISFDB recently who was complaining about how long it was taking to approve his edits, I really don't care how long it takes. I just add entries constantly, and when moderators approve them, they approve them. Take as long as you want. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:02, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And all that can be added to the notes. I've mentioned before that there are users who have vision issues and some covers are not very clear. Adding a note takes a few seconds - either from your time or from someone else's. Asking a moderator to do it because you cannot be bothered is not very nice. No moderator should be approving edits with no clear sources in the notes - and some had been reminded to be careful around your edit because of your refusal to add notes. So if you ask the moderator team to reject any incomplete edits from you, we can do that easily enough. Instead I am trying to work with you so you do not lose your time finding information that will be rejected later. If you prefer straight rejections with explanation instead, sure - that works as well :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I would prefer any edit I make from now on that you find fault with to be rejected with a note saying what was wrong with it rather than sending a message to my talk page which is now extremely long; I'm tired of seeing that yellow bar pop up with another message complaining about something. My info is almost always correct because I verify every edit I make, so the problem is not with the quality but the process. I've noticed since our discussion above that I'm slowly moving away from adding hardcover flap prices and exact months and all the other minutiae I've been doing the last few months and going back to adding more cover images and finding rare info nobody else can like I was when I started, so sometime soon these "adding notes" talks will be moot because I won't be doing anything that requires them, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:33, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: One thing that I believe I mentioned earlier is that cover scan hosted by third party sites, including Amazon, can be transient. We have seen thousands of image URLS die over the years.<br />
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:::: On the other hand, the data that we store in the ISFDB database is backed up once a day, except for images, which are backed up once a week. We make our backups publicly available once a week and many people (all over the world) faithfully download them. In addition, our software is publicly available. Nothing short of a worldwide disaster on the level of dinosaur-killing asteroid will make it impossible to rebuild the ISFDB database. Think of any Note text that you add as your own personal slice of immortality :-)<br />
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:::: Re: price visibility, are you saying that you can easily read the price printed on [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51IWnJffnnL.jpg this cover scan]? If you are, you are better at pattern recognition that most humans. All I see is blurry white lines. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:49, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Swamp Witch ==<br />
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Please talk to the PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4966285 here]. This kind of changes should always be discussed with the PVs as you had been reminded more than once. Sometimes it may turn out that they have a slightly different edition than the one you found online. That's why we have the PV system. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:47, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I cancelled my submission. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:05, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Wikipedia as a source ==<br />
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Hi. A word of warning about Wikipedia as a source: You can't necessarily trust information in Wikipedia articles. It's best to look at the cited references and try to find the original source for the information in the article. We need to be careful about propagating assumptions and/or outright errors. For example, your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960968 proposed date change] for ''The Hunt for Red October'' based on Wikipedia's October 1, 1984. I poked around a little, and it's not clear October 1 is correct or the article's source for it. The [https://tomclancy.com/product/the-hunt-for-red-october Tom Clancy] site does say October 1, but the [https://www.usni.org/press/books/hunt-red-october ISNI Press] site says October 2.<br />
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BTW, I don't see why we shouldn't have listings for publications of that title. I'm checking to see what others think. I have your edit on hold. Assuming we should have publication records, a record for the first edition would be a better place to try to explain the above dating disagreement than in the title record. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:31, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:p.s. I got reminded of why we don't have publication records.... :-) Oh well. So I accepted the submission but removed the day (so just dated October 1984), and I added a note stating the publication date is uncertain, explaining the discrepancy and linking the above sources. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:14, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::The Catalog of Copyright #TX0001475353 puts 1984-10-03 as the official registered date of publication. The registration was accepted on 1984-10-29.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 10:03, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Nice find. I expanded the notes, adding that, with [https://publicrecords.copyright.gov/detailed-record/13828104 this link] (probably not permanent, but it looks likely to get a permanent replacement someday). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:22, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Linking translations ==<br />
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To link a translation to the original title, we use "Make This Title a Variant" -- the translation is the "child"/variant, and the original is the "parent"/canonical title. So where you discovered the missing introduction in {{P|368060|Cold House}}, the linking necessarily had to wait for the approval of your submission that added it. Then one could go to {{T|2298089|Einleitung (Das kalte Haus)}} and make it the variant of the newly added title, which I have done. Now both of the titles show the relationship to the other, and if you take a look at {{P|645515|Das kalte Haus}}, you'll see the German introduction is annotated as a translation of Ketchum's English introduction.<br />
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The complementary scenario exists when adding a new title that's a translation of an existing title -- the relationship between new and existing needs to be established in the other direction, but doing so still has to wait for the new title to be created. So what you did with making a note to the moderator about the translation relationship between the new title and the existing title is perfect; the moderator processing the submission can know to go make the variant relationship while processing the submission. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:45, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest: 1972 ''Exorcism''(s) ==<br />
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I can see the covers on the edition of Exorcism [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?835576 you submitted] and on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359576 previously existing record] are different, with both clearly showing the W101Z, $1.25 and Lexington Press. It would be interesting to know how those two editions are related. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:56, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Yes, it would; the publisher has no other books on ISFDB. This, http://www.bradmiddleton.ca/2020/02/exorcism-1971-by-eth-natasor-was-it.html, gives a good review of the book but just mentions the "alternate cover"; the reason I added that cover here is because it's an actual cover and not just some text on a black background like the other one, plus it's really stupid. I see that searching on Worldcat for "all editions" gives a 1972 Lexington House ed. but also a 1974 Manor Books ed., which I see you added 2 printings of, but Worldcat says the later ed. is also 190 pages, so you may want to add that, too; searching for Eth Natas gives only 2 hits, this book and an encyclopedia article which gives an error page if you click on it; searching for a Lexington House in Jamaica, N.Y. gives only this book so apparently they were one-and-done. This, https://www.etsy.com/listing/938956379/exorcism-witchcraft-possession-the-dead, shows the back cover of the Manor ed.; this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Exorcism-Eth-Natas/dp/0532122062, gives an ISBN. Hope this helps, MartyD. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:53, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== John R. Holt pseudonym of Raymond Giles? ==<br />
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I stumbled upon [https://www.librarything.com/author/holtjohnr this] LibraryThings statement. Currently those two authors are not linked with each other in the ISFDB. Do you agree that {{a|John R. Holt}} is a pseudonym of {{a|Raymond Giles}}? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:04, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Yes. It's mentioned several places on the web, but this is a good one: https://darkeyesoflondon.blogspot.com/2020/12/. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:33, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks for the confirmation. I've linked both authors and made Giles the canonical name. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:16, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Judgement vs. Judgment ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4972212 your edit] on hold for a moment. Could you check with SFJuggler (by leaving a note on his talk page) whether it's indeed a typo, or if it's written as Judg'''e'''ment Day on the title page instead? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:12, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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PV said it's his typo, and my edit is correct. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:27, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And approved! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:37, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fifth Season ==<br />
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On your submissions for "The Fifth Season" and "People of the Night". Looking at the pictures, both sure look like they are stapled and are therefor ph. And all the stories in "The Fifth Season" should be short stories; how can any story in a collection 40 pages long be anything else? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:20, 27 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Timothy Mulcahy ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4978840 this]? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:17, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:He has a website, timmulcahy.com, but I don't see any definite links between the stories in both records on ISFDB, so it can be rejected. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:43, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, unfortunately that website only mentions the "Birth Screams of Angels" story. I added the website to {{A|Tim Mulcahy}} based on that, but rejected the variant. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:19, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== A Different Drummer ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4984120 this submission]: Is the Internet Archive copy you found [https://archive.org/details/differentdrummer00kell_1 this one]? Or is there another version I'm not seeing? The reason I ask is that is a copy of the third printing per the number line so it's not clear if the date is for the original printing or that third printing. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:19, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: That's the one; the foreword is copyright 1989 so it's a new edition, but it also says the original Anchor edition was 1969, which is also on ISFDB with no cover; looking online it seems to have a different cover, so they updated a few things for this one. I almost added the wrong cover to the 1989 book because Amazon had some other cover which is for another edition. You may be right about the third printing, but the price other editor entered was much higher than the 1 on the archive.org copy, so why would the 1st printing be more expensive than the 3rd? Also, there's a note about Amazon saying it's from May 1990, so I'm not sure about all this, but since PV is no longer active and my info came from an actual copy of the book, I think we should go with mine, and if someone else has a copy of the first printing with a 1989 date on the back cover they can always enter that on ISFDB as another edition; book on archive.org says 0690 on back so if PV had a copy of the book it should have a similar --89 date, but I guess they missed that and just used date on copyright page. Adding a note that the archive.org copy is the 3rd printing would be good, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:04, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::The copyright page has "Anchor Books Editions: 1969, 1989" so seems like 1989 would be the correct year for this first printing and the "0690" would be for the third printing. The price is suspect, but prices can change between printings. Yes, it would be nice to be able to ask the verifier to double check the price and if there is a date code on the back. But as they are no longer active, we cannot and we have to go with the information we have. We create separate records for each printing so I have cloned the record and created a third printing. I sourced that to the archive.org scan. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:47, 18 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Incomplete cover ==<br />
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Hello username! It was kind of you to add a cover to my verified book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?753227 Weltraum Nr. 1], but it's incomplete. In the middle of the cover there is still a painting. Greetings Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:40, 17 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Drive In The Bus Tour ==<br />
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I approved your submission of changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312004 The Drive In: The Bus Tour], even with the new cover scan. The original scan was much better IMHO. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:40, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: The cover I added shows full art including what's on the back. It may be a little glossy when small like a lot of small-press hardcovers, but clicking makes it bigger and much easier to see the art. ISFDB's policy of shrinking all images down has the unfortunate side effect of making a lot of covers and author images hard to see; some display better when clicked or opened in a new tab, some don't; this one does. And if the cover art is continued on the back cover it's usually better to use that so users can see it in full, unless the image is so bad that it's not feasible to use it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:22, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Black Dog / Queta Non Movere ==<br />
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Hello, can you provide source for your varianting statement [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4993714 here]? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:45, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I discovered this months ago and left a message on ISFDB asking if anyone knew more; months passed and nobody answered so I decided to enter it. The original edition of Dark Encounters and a recent Polygon edition use the original title, but the 1984 John Goodchild edition decided to use the title here, https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbchomeservice/basic/1961-10-12. I suspect they changed it because people these days wouldn't understand the Latin title so they gave it a more "horror-y" title. Online reviews that discuss "Quieta Non Movere" mention a black dog so they're the same story. There's a copy of the 1984 edition on Google Books and on Fantlab, https://fantlab.ru/edition219644. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:03, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I've approved the varianting, and added a note to the Black Dog title record, stating Fantlab has this as 'Quieta Non Movere'. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:57, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm glad to finally get this info entered on ISFDB; one change I would suggest, though, is making the note refer to the BBC link I provided above, since that is the only hit I got when I searched on Google for the "Black Dog..." title and is probably when the title was originally changed. The "Black Dog..." title doesn't link to Fantlab on Google because in their usual sloppy fashion they list titles from 1963 edition on 1984 edition's page and forgot to change the title from "Quieta..." to "Black Dog...", so the only way people would know the title was changed is if they clicked on the photos from the book. Another thing is I decided to search Internet Archive for the "Black Dog..." title and again got only 1 hit, https://archive.org/details/Radiocorriere-1961-41, so there's 1 more bit of proof that this was the title they used for radio. Why only the 1984 edition of Dark Encounters decided to use that title is anyone's guess. I will add an edit now with the external ID for Fantlab so people can go there if they want to see the photos. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:32, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Sure, feel free to add the two references into the pub notes (and URL in the web multifield). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:54, 30 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Making of The Wizard of Oz ==<br />
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Hello! I approved your submission of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?252547 The Making of The Wizard of Oz] and correct your wrong ISBN record. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 15:24, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Danke. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:30, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== [no subject] ==<br />
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Where exactly did you get the impression that I have a problem with people disagreeing with me? That's a problem of yours, not mine. <br><br />
It's difficult to get across subtle nuances online, but you seemed to get prickly when I asked if you were a moderator. Why? I was just wondering if maybe you could approve the change for me. <br><br />
I'm just as good an editor as you, although not as prolific. Sometimes I make mistakes, but I catch them and fix them. I'm fully aware of every missing link in every issue I've entered, and why it's missing. You couldn't be sure of that, of course, and I appreciate you trying to help. I also really appreciated your kind words about my efforts to add Fangoria, and your offer of help. I wish I'd said so.<br><br />
You say "tantrum", I say "prank". It's your six-month anniversary, and one of the better editors should surely have a biography!--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 01:22, 18 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Username? It would help if you answered those two questions, please.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 04:28, 26 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
When you forgive my sarcasm (which trumps rudeness!), I'd like to take you up on your offer of help with Fangoria. If you want to verify the issues that you have, or add anything that belongs, that would be great.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 21:21, 28 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Jason Alexander ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5036748 this submission]: It looks like {{A|Jason Alexander}} is multiple people. The only record I was able to confirm to be by the actor is "Dad, Are You The Tooth Fairy?" (plus probably the two interviews). Are you aware of any others? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:17, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:The 1978 novel is not by the actor since he was only 18 or 19 at the time; the publisher has 5 books on Open Library, and 1 by Alexander is readable, revealing that author is a Libertarian Ayn Rand type. The art is all within the same time period so most likely is by the same artist. So the actor wrote the Tooth Fairy book and the 2 interviews are with him also because there's lots of info online about him appearing on Trek. That leaves the essay; no info online about which Alexander wrote that, but if I had to guess it's by the artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:57, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Yup, that was my thought. I will divide them up. By the way, I moved your response from my talk page over to here as it keeps the conversation together. That allows someone else in the future to more easily figure it out if they have questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:25, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dangerous Red ==<br />
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I approved you submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2721847 Dangerous Red], but you need to clone the pub under that title and enter the 2003 edition in edition to the new edition. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:22, 3 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moorstones ==<br />
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Hello, could you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0907349307&type=ISBN]? It has two publication records with identical ISBN, but different publishers. (2nd one is the one you cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5066858 here]). Is this expected? Or must the ISBN of the Spindlewood edition be removed? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:57, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I asked about this myself on Community Portal under "Moorstones". Since edition I entered came from the actual book on Archive.org I would trust that and assume the ISBN for later edition was taken from some online info that had the wrong one; of course it's possible they both use same ISBN, so someone needs to produce the Salem edition to check. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::The Salem House edition info is copied from Locus. They could be wrong about the ISBN.--[[User:Chris J|Chris J]] 19:34, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Delete notes ==<br />
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Hello! I hold your submission of ''Our Gang (Starring Tricky and His Friends)''. Are you sure that you want to delete all notes? Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:10, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: That was an extra note about the quote on last page; don't know why it thinks I wanted to delete previous notes, way the software works I guess, but it's an extra note, not meant to replace previous ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:46, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I've approve your submission and restore the notes. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:08, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Grey Matter Variant ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5069181 edit] to change the date to 1978 for the variant of King's story with the title as "Grey Matter"? Our earliest appearance of the story with that spelling is now November 1987, after your edits to the Pan publication. I'll also note that you really should have checked with the verifier of that book before submitting those edits. I had to contact them and make sure it was OK before approving them. They noted that there is a 1978 copyright date but, but the book doesn't indicate what title was used for the 1978 publication. I'll change the record to 1987 for now and continue to hold your edit depending on your source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:53, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The story was published in an American porn mag and then collected in Night Shift in 1978. It was Gray in America but Grey in England, and since the English edition also came out in '78 that was its first appearance. I brought this up somewhere on the boards months ago and 1 of you responded saying that every book where the story appears would need to be checked to see how it's spelled, so now I got the ball rolling; others can check their copies or online and verify if it was spelled Grey in all other British publications, whether Night Shift editions or Pan Books or anything else. Sometimes I notice a book was PV'd and check with them first, sometimes I don't. I was on my way out of here recently until a hurricane and terrorists made it impossible for me to travel. The barbarians are at the gate, so the fact I'm still here is a miracle; that may not be true much longer. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:53, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::First off, stay safe wherever you are. You didn't really answer the question. You assert that all UK editions have the variant title and that it was first published in the UK in 1978. Where did you get those pieces of information? We do not list a 1978 UK edition. There is none listed in Contento1, which is our chief source for pre-1984 collections. Worldcat has one record published by Hodder & Stoughton and one by New English Library, both for 1978, but neither records list the contents. I'm going to reject the edit to change the variant date for now. If you have a source you can cite, we can revisit this. Lastly, checking with active verifiers when you are changing the spelling of content is not optional. You need to do that every time. It's especially important when you don't have a source for your information as it appears you did not in this case. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:39, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: www.stephenkingcollector.com/identifyingUK1st.html; www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Night+Shift+-+Trade+HC+UK; https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/9047442.pdf (spells it GREY and even says what pages it's on); 1978 was NEL's HC Night Shift date; most King books were published in America and Britain close together. The reason why the British edition is not on ISFDB isn't because it doesn't exist but because nobody ever bothered to enter it. Sounds unlikely, but I've entered many editions by very well-known authors (Straub, Koontz, etc.) which should have been here but weren't. The Pan Book of Horror Stories definitely says "GREY Matter" because I actually found a photo of the contents page, and it seems that it was the only British anthology that story ever appeared in, at least as far as ISFDB says, so the only question now is whether all of the many British editions of Night Shift spell it that way, which seems very likely to me. So the British spelling's date almost certainly originates from the 1978 NEL Night Shift, but if you don't want to change it that's on you. As for checking with PV's, there was a time when I never checked because in almost every case my changes turned out to be correct, but eventually I started checking and have done so many times, but often I forget since I'm only human. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:31, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: https://www.booksandyou.in/product/night-shift1; the cached Google version still works, and includes a photo showing contents with "Grey Matter"; ISBN matches British editions on ISFDB but price is different, so it's some unknown printing. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:15, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bad Candy ==<br />
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Posted an answer on my [[User_talk:MagicUnk|talk page]] [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk#Bad_Candy here]. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:50, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Type change of ''The X-Files Book of the Unexplained, Volume II'' ==<br />
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Could you please confirm [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5076872 this update] with SFJugger first? That would be appreciated. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:35, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I think you meant SFJuggler. There's nothing really to confirm, since the first volume is NF on ISFDB; he just made a mistake and entered it as a collection. Also, see this link under Non-fiction books; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X-Files_literature. If y'all disagree you can cancel my edit, that's fine. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:43, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. I've accepted the submission, and added the link to the Moderators notes for reference. And it's not really about disagreeing (I'm impartial, as I don't have any interest either way), it's about confirming and ensuring a primary verifier agrees with your suggested update. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:04, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding covers found in other editions ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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When you are adding a cover artist because the art matches that of another publication already in the database. Please don't simply add the name of the artist to the publication record. This will result in a new COVERART title record which will then require an additional edit to merge it with the other title record from the source publication. A better approach would be to import the COVERART title used in the other publication(s) into the publication where it is missing. For example, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5084890 this edit] would create a new title which would then need to be merged with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1140800 this existing] title record. Instead, just grab the Title Record # from the existing record (1140800) and use the Import Content tool (Option 2) to add the COVERART to the publication. This way, you won't have to go back and submit merge edits. Let me know if you have any questions. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:07, 16 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moby Dick ==<br />
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HI! The official title is "Moby Dick; Or, The Whale" , would this be better as the parent and Moby Dick as the variant?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:05, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Wikipedia says The Whale as a 3-volume book in GB and Moby Dick as a single volume in America. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:12, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Stupid Amazon has piles of books with that title! Should have read more of the Wiki article :/[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:38, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Open library link in "Death and Resurrection" ==<br />
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Please explain the open library link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362571 here]. It should obviously be in one of the editions of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1325558 New Cthulhu: The Recent Weird]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:54, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Prior editor wrote note about wrong ISBN on copyright page vs. right ISBN on back cover; Open Library page for Death and Resurrection has no Archive.org link but the page I linked to does; my note explains about right author but wrong title. Clicking Preview shows MacAvoy's book. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:48, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: So write a more comprehensible note. No one understands this as it is now. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:54, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: It's perfectly comprehensible. There's some other editor's note about different ISBN's, and there's my new note about how the Open Library page I linked to shows wrong title but right author. I don't usually link directly to non-public domain books on Archive.org because many of them aren't supposed to be there and often get taken down after complaints. I have a feeling you're just being difficult because of my refuting of all your hostile messages recently. If that's the case, you don't have to check my edits anymore. There's many other people working here. Or you can be professional and act like an adult. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:01, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: This has nothing to do with being hostile. Clicking the link you provided brings you to [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL26775558M/New_Cthulhu_The_Recent_Weird this page]. It shows the cover of 'New Cthulhu: The Recent Weird' which is obvously wrong. How do you expect people to know that it shows the right edition after clicking through if you don't explain this in the note? <br />
:::: I'll be perfectly happy if you don't touch my primary verifications anymore, that would save me a lot of wasted time. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:21, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: In order not to receive any more of your messages about this issue, I will add an extra note to that record explaining in exact detail that the Preview link must be clicked in order to read MacAvoy's book, for all the slow adults out there who can't figure out how to click a button. I also just added a message on Community Portal about this topic, so now it's preserved for the ages. You also spelled obviously incorrectly. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:28, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::As the other verifier of this publication record, I have to object to this. It seems completely bizarre to me to include a link to the OL record for the Guran anthology in the record for the MacAvoy novel in order to provide a link to the archive record that happens to be incorrectly linked from OL record. Why not simply add the internet archive link directly? You mention that you don't want to for fear of it being taken down. If it is taken down, why would the OL still have it. I also have to reiterate (how many times have I asked you before?) that you need to check with the verifiers before making this sort of change. Had I been consulted first, I would have told you not to link to the wrong book, and I suspect from these comments that Willem would have agreed. I'm going to back out these changes and link to the internet archive directly. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:11, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I don't know what's in the air recently, but you people are making way too big a deal about this. If you want to complain, complain to Prime Books for printing Death and Resurrection's ISBN in New Cthulhu. The Open Library page for Death and Resurrection has no Preview button to click, so anyone visiting that page would think the book is not readable at the Archive, so I provided an OL link to the page that actually has the Preview button which takes you to Death and Resurrection; wrong cover and title mean nothing, since it's the double ISBN's in the book itself that are responsible for the confusion. I've noticed you frequently add archive.org links to records for books that are not public domain; that's risky, since many are taken down due to copyright complaints; one of my first edits here on ISFDB was for a Noel Langley story from Saturday Evening Post that was reprinted in his 1950 collection under a different title; it still hasn't been changed because by the time I started editing here those issues were all gone because of copyright issues, so I was never able to prove it. So you can add whatever you want to, but when they come calling you'll have to deal with them. I don't appreciate your hostile tone, especially since I did a good thing by adding a link to a book that would have otherwise gone unread by most. Also, why would I contact PV about adding an external ID; I'm not changing anything you did. You rarely have anything positive to say and only message me when you have a complaint about something trivial like this; if I had a dollar for every time I've had to fix wrong info and saw your name as the one who entered that info I'd be rich, so get off your high horse. When I contacted your friend up there months ago to let him know I'd done some changes on a book he PV'd he responded with extreme rudeness, so if you want me to contact PV every time I make some change, even if it's unnecessary as in this case, then maybe y'all should learn how to respond like adults. I've been 1 of the most prolific editors here this year, and was ready to take a long break recently, until circumstances beyond my control put a stop to that, but if I continue to receive constant complaints about my work that may change. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:48, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Please do not edit archived discussions ==<br />
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I have reverted [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3ACommunity_Portal%2FArchive%2FArchive50&diff=613373&oldid=608314 your edit]. If you need to post an update to the discussion, please don't edit the archived discussion pages. Very few people will see anything posted on the archived discussion pages, so anything impportant posted there will be unseen by most everyone. Instead, please post it on the appropriate discussion page as a new topic (in this case, on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] page). I recommend doing that for this one, and then link to the [[ISFDB:Community Portal/Archive/Archive50#Missing Cover for Blood Rare|archived discussion like this]]. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:01, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm the one who wrote the original message; finding the cover by accident more than 6 months later, I went back and added a note about that. Nobody responded during that 6+ months, so I doubt anyone cares that I finally found the cover; if they ever look for that book they'll see the cover in its record. I was writing the note to myself, as I've done with several other recent findings by me for old messages I left that no one ever answered, so that when I look back over all my messages as I do sometimes I know which ones were solved. No need for a new topic because the case is closed. Most of my very numerous messages have never been answered, so if I want to talk to myself, だから何だ? --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:38, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I understand. Please don't edit archived discussion, however. I suspect the one of the biggest reasons so many of your messages don't get answered is because there are so many of them it's hard for anyone to keep up with them. It might be good to make a user sub-page to keep track of them, and ask people to follow that. Then you can keep track of which have been answered there. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:07, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Translations ==<br />
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As you are venturing into translations, a few notes:<br />
* We need the translator up on the title level so we know which titles need merging if there are multiple publications. I fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2926829 this one]<br />
* We have a template for recording the translators - Tr. You can see in the example above how it is used. It is one of those "if one day we start recording translators" preparations. When you do not add it or do not use the template, it pops up on a report and someone will need to fix it later. <br />
* For Spanish, our external ID LTF stands for https://tercerafundacion.net/ - which is a good place for additional verification and data for Spanish language books. They definitely do not have everything but when they do, they have more information than most. So if you plan to work on Spanish, you may want to check them occasionally.<br />
Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:25, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I wasn't venturing into translations, it was just a random book I came across while searching for other things. I was surprised it wasn't here already so I took a shot at entering it; I entered most info correctly, and points you brought up are ISFDB-specific, not related to the book itself. I also was on that LTF page before I entered the info but didn't know ISFDB had an external ID for them. I barely comprehend English so when I enter one of my very rare new publications for a foreign-language book it's because it interested me in some way, not because I have any interest in entering foreign editions. I'm running on fumes here, so even working on English-language publications doesn't interest me much anymore. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:40, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which is fine - but if you do translations, keep these in mind. You had the translator, it was just in the wrong notes. So I am stopping by with an advice on how to reduce the number of edits needed later when you add translations. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:48, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The High Holidays are over, but… ==<br />
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Forgiven me yet? :'( --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 03:09, 16 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Unexplained edits affecting verified publications ==<br />
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Hi. This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5121886 submission] is a good example of where you could save moderators a lot of work. You propose to change a title that appears in multiple verified publications, at least one of which has an active primary verifier. You provided no note explaining why (yes, it looks like an obvious misspelling, but what makes you think it's incorrect?), you did not check with the verifier, and the main secondary source -- Locus1 -- has the spelling as recorded in the entry. I did the Locus1 check, I asked MLB to confirm the spelling in the book he verified, and now I'm leaving you a note. Maybe others skipped over it due to lack of explanation and following of process; maybe someone else would have rejected it outright. But for me, what could have taken a few seconds to process has turned into many minutes (and I'm still not done with it). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]]<br />
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: Well, there's this, [https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/uQEAAOSwlRBg3pQW/$/Jack-Ketchum-Exit-at-Toledo-Blade-Boulevard-_57.jpg], where it's spelled SLEAZY, and there's also this, https://www.amazon.com/Peaceable-Kingdom-Jack-Ketchum/dp/1477806547, where searching inside gives 1 hit for SLEAZY but no hits for SLEASY, and there's a note saying the 47North edition was taken directly from the Leisure edition, so the spelling would be the same there, too. There's also the fact that searching Google for the title with the wrong spelling only lists a handful of sites, with ISFDB first and Locus next, with the few other sites obviously having taken their info directly from ISFDB. So what probably happened, as happens very often, is Locus lists wrong info (like every other online site), editor here copies it verbatim without verifying from an actual copy, and the wrong info remains, sometimes for a decade or more, until I come along and fix it, as I've done thousands of times before, because I do check physical copies or online scans of physical copies and never trust what some online site tells me. Also, 1 PV hasn't been here since 2019, 1 is in German so the title would be in German, too, and the other PV, MLB, has told me before, as have others, that if I fix something like this to just go ahead without contacting them because in almost every case my fix turns out to be correct. Thanks to Username for fixing this; you're welcome. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:45, 18 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Wow. Thanks for the feedback. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:55, 18 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: As we discussed in the past, this information should be included in the submission. Moderators do not have the time to replicate this kind of in-depth research and there is no reason to force them to re-do something that you have already done. As the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/newpub.cgi?Anthology New Publication Web page] says in the "Source of Data" section, if the submitted data comes from "Other website, later printing/edition or another source", the source should be explained in the Publication Note field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:32, 19 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Blue World type change ==<br />
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There are six PVs on this title, and only one of them was contacted regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5125135 changing this] from SHORTFICTION (novella) to NOVEL. Did you actually do a word count estimate? Your note didn't indicate that (rather stating only that it was "novel length in every edition it appears in". Please contact them and have them comment here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:37, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I only contacted 1 PV because they're the only active one, as I explained in my note to Taweiss where I said YOU'RE THE ONLY ACTIVE PV. Also, a word count is unnecessary because every edition on ISFDB has a page count for "Blue World" well above a novella as described on ISFDB's Wiki for what constitutes novella-length. It's probably just the usual where it was called a novella when originally entered and then copied without anyone actually noticing it's novel-length. Thanks for fixing this, Username. You're welcome. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:09, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Keep in mind that using page count to estimate the word count depends greatly on the font size, margin size, page size, and other things. Additionally, the page counts are referring to the collection it appears in. I don't see any instance where ''Blue World'' has appeared all by itself in any volume. Our listings show only appearances in collections. And while the page counts for this story (ranging from about 133-199) seem to indicate it's likely over 40,000 words, until Taweiss responds, we don't have any way to know. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:26, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Sorry for the delay. Traveling for work. With a length of 174 pages, and around 50K works, it's a novel. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 08:58, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::No worries. Thanks for chiming in. The submission has been approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:38, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Freebird? ==<br />
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What was the purpose of posting a link to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiCZFhEpRDI this YouTube clip], which I have removed from the Community Portal? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:17, 31 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I see that you are back, creating submissions and responding on Talk pages. I have put your last batch of submissions on hold. Please answer the question above. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:00, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I'm not back; the Talk page I responded to was for a question I asked nearly 9 months ago which the PV, Chavey, finally answered by asking me for a link to the record I was asking about instead of just typing the title himself, so I provided him that link; the Shroud Magazine submissions were just a passing fancy while checking my recently approved edits and noticing that the contents of most Shroud issues are on Philsp.com, including 1 short story in the same issue as the essay I imported recently, which led me to import it (and changing the date to match) and then, as usual, going the extra mile by importing 3 Derek M. Fox essays I noticed were never imported, either (someone imported a 4th Fox essay years ago and varianted it because I became 1; I don't know if that's correct so someone else will have to decide about that). I'm not doing my usual dozens/100+ edits a day for the foreseeable future, but if I feel the need to add something here and there I will. The title of the YouTube clip explains itself. God Bless America, Impeach Biden, Trump 2024. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:09, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for the explanation. I have released the hold on the submissions.<br />
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::: Let me reiterate and clarify what I said [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Fantlab on your Talk page back in April] and then again [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Gorey on Annie's Talk page on October 29]. The ISFDB is a strictly bibliographic project. Some of our contributors are from countries which were at war with each other not so long ago. We have contributors from across the ideological spectrum. If we were to allow politics on Wiki pages, the project would implode. For these reasons political statements are not allowed here. Please keep this in mind and act accordingly going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:59, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Buzzelli's [A] Gift of Evil ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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Could you double check the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?823891 this] publication. Both Reginald3 and Worldcat have the title as "A Gift of Evil". I'll be adding the external IDs for those two sources. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Reginald also notes Roman numbered pages through xi, though Worldcat does not. If you could verify that as well, it would be appreciated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:51, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: It's Gift of Evil on front and back covers, title and copyright pages, and every left-hand page in the book; the Prologue starts on vii and ends on xi. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:56, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I updated the page count. I also added a note about the discrepancy with the secondary sources which will hopefully prevent someone else from asking you the same question again. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:56, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Screwup ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5147311 this submission]: The Internet Archive [https://archive.org/details/maddogsummerothe00joer/page/n9/mode/2up scan] of the hc anthology shows the title as "Screwup" (both on TOC and title page). Is there a specific version you believe is "Screw Up"? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:37, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The scan is of Lansdale's collection; the anthology is 'Til Death Do Us Part, which is on Google Books; I believe I provided a link in 1 of those edits, but I can't rightly recall 'cause it's been so long. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:47, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Your edit would change the collection and not the anthology. Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5147310 prior edit], would create a new record for the anthology, but that cannot be edited until it is accepted. You were changing the original record which would remain the one for the collection. I have accepted the unmerge, rejected the title change, changed the new record for anthology, and varianted them together. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:06, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Dude, that was a quality stream of info there. I'll take your word for it that everything's correct now, so thanks. Variants are my kryptonite. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:23, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Boy Scouts Year Book of Ghost and Mystery Stories ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5157750 this submission]: Thank you for finding this. For a number of the authors being changed, these were the only stories in the database for them and the author records had data. Due to how the software works, that would have resulted in the existing author records and their data being deleted and new ones created. To not loose the existing author data, I edited the author records instead. As I wasn't sure how this would impact your submission, I duplicated the changes in another edit vs. approving yours. Long winded way of saying, I had to reject your edit, but not because there was anything wrong - just an artifact of how the software handles author name changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:42, 25 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: OK. EDIT: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1622565; I think that note isn't needed anymore since title was fixed; "Riddle of Bat Cove" gets no hits on Google while "Riddle of Bat Cave" gets a few hits; also this one: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1622555, where title was also fixed. EDIT: I just went ahead and did some cleaning up of notes, but whoever entered them had trouble keeping them uniform, with some including a name, a few including alternate names, some having no names, and eventually just getting tired of using the word "appeared". It was messy, but I think I cleaned up most of it; however, you may have to fix a few things in those stories where alternate names are entered; I noticed Whitfield's story had an empty record for Raoul, while Raoul F. was filled in. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:05, 25 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::Edits accepted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:23, 26 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Psychic Fair ==<br />
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What are you trying to achieve with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5164235 this edit]? You are unmerging all the contents which would leave a blank record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:02, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: George M. O'Har published the PB Psychic Fair and then many years later it was reprinted but he dropped the M. Whoever entered these new editions didn't variant them to his full name and 1 edition was in the same record as the original while the other was standalone. I varianted the standalone and I think that's OK, but I thought the edition merged with the original had to be unmerged first before varianting it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:17, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::In looking at it some more, the Vivisphere Publishing edition still under George M. O'Har was a duplicate (same ISBN, same format, same date, same price, etc.) of the other. I deleted it. We should be all good now, but let me know if I missed something. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:37, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162842; I had a similar situation with a stray on some other book recently and a couple of mods had to decide how to fix it; I guess you know if this one needs fixing, too. After that, I guess this is all done. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:41, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::::{{A|George O'Har|162842}} needed to be made an alternate name of {{A|George M. O'Har|5046}}. Fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:15, 5 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== When You Look Down to Find Yourself Going But Not Yet Gone ==<br />
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There were no notes included with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5189192 this submission] for changing the date. The publication is PVd by [[User talk:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]], too, and I don't see any indication this change was discussed. The submission is on hold until you discuss the change with the PV and provide a reason for the change. I'll keep an eye here for that. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:10, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Because the book the poems were first published in, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263421, which is mentioned 8 times in the link I provided, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2004/t20.htm#A380, when I imported them, has that date on ISFDB. Also, PV doesn't respond anymore; http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:58, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Then please mention that. Just providing a link doesn't mean what's obvious to you will be obvious to anyone else. In this case, there are well over 100 poems listed at that link, so it's really not obvious what you are trying to do. If you make it easier for anyone working on approving your submissions, things will go much more quickly and smoothly. We shouldn't have to come pester you for information you could easily include in a moderator note.<br />
::As for Mhhutchins, yes, he no longer responds to posts on his talk page, but he suggests to either email him or post about major changes on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]], neither of which you did (as far as I can tell). Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:31, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover for Dime Novel Roundup ==<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5206557 submission] to add a cover scan to ''Dime Novel Roundup''. The image that you are entering is certainly the cover for the paperback edition. Do you have any source that the hardcover had a jacket with the same cover? While Open Library provides a link to the Internet Archive scan of the hardcover without a jacket, they do not specify which edition their record is for. I was aware of this image when I entered the record, but I couldn't find any image of the hardcover edition with a dust jacket. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:19, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: https://www.worldcat.org/title/dime-novel-roundup-annotated-index-1931-1981/oclc/9649579/editions?referer=di&editionsView=true; all editions with covers have the same one. I don't know if that's proof, but other Bowling Green publications on ISFDB have same covers for HC and TP. If not enough, cancel. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:52, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Unfortunately, Worldcat frequently shows stock images that do not reflect the same edition as in the record. I actually think it is likely that the same image was used for the dust jacket, but without evidence we should probably leave the hardcover edition without a cover until one can be found. Amazon doesn't show a cover for the hardcover, nor does the copy available on ABE books. You could clone this pub and create a record for the paperback with the image. However since the Open Library record isn't specific to any edition, I wouldn't list it in either publication record. You could list it as a link in the title record though. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:37, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: You're right; problem is I stopped caring about any of this long ago and am only continuing to edit to pass the time in a productive way instead of far worse things I could be doing. I've tried to leave several times, as I've explained somewhere on these boards before, but circumstances keep getting in the way. My goal is to eventually stop regular editing and only add an occasional edit now and then to keep me from getting the dreaded "no longer active" designation. The way things are going in the world now, especially in America where I live, this whole silly internet thing may be a thing of the past soon, anyway. You still seem to care, so if you want to do any of the things you mentioned above, be my guest. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:15, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ian McKellen ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5209791 this submission]: Do you have a source for the author of the essay being the actor? Or are you just basing it on being the same name? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The image is Ian McKellen starring in the film Apt Pupil, based on the work by Stephen King. He played a former Nazi, thus the uniform. This, https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780753461075, mentions it's the guy who played Gandalf who wrote the intro. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:33, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Outlaws of the Moon ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5210829 this edit]? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:23, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The other edition by this publisher has the same cover; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3466. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:42, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::When using a secondary source to add information (especially for a verified pub), the source must be stated in the pub notes. I have accepted the edit & added the note. In the future, please add the note. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:05, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: The PV of the edition with no cover artist, Bluesman, hasn't been active for years, so it's not like I could contact him and say, "Hey, I'm importing a cover art credit into your book because you didn't bother to check the other covers on ISFDB and notice there's another edition with the same art as your PV'd copy"; I just checked, and Bluesman entered the American edition, too, so why he didn't know who did the cover for the Canadian edition is a mystery), and the cover art credit says the art is a variant of the Perry Rhodan art, so writing that in the notes seems redundant. But you must know best because you're a moderator. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:17, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Documenting secondary sources in pub notes is required per our rules. If you believe a varianted cover art record is sufficient documentation, you are welcome to start a [[Rules and standards discussions]] to change the current rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:25, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::: Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:33, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Bus ==<br />
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Hello. Concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5213606 your submissoin]. For non-fiction collections that are wholly non-fiction, we tend to record these as NONFICTION, and not as COLLECTION if I am not mistaken. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type Title Type] rules that says, ''This type should be used for books that are predominantly or completely non-fiction'', and ''A publication that contains both non-fiction and fiction should be typed by that which is predominant.'' You may want to ask a 2nd opinion though. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:52, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
: The collection and anthology types require fiction; a non-fiction book is recorded as NONFICTION in the DB regardless if it is one complete text or a collection/anthology of essays and/or reviews and/or interviews (the difference can be noted in the Title notes and for the ones which contain smaller independent pieces, the contents is appreciated if someone wants to type the titles/authors). We also record all art books as NONFICTION (then the contents will be INTERIORART); a collection/anthology of cartoons (if eligible at all) will also be NONFICTION. This specific one is not eligible IMO - the author is not above treshold, the magazine where they were published is not genre (so we cannot even claim that it is a collection of art we already have in the DB (even though that is not technically a reason for a book to be eligible either) so it falls under the "comics, manga and so on" exclusion... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:22, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Per above, I rejected your submission, and deleted the publication record. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:14, 6 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Tomorrow Log ==<br />
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What is your source for the inclusion of the essay [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5197607 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:51, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover for ''The Devil Takes a Holiday'' ==<br />
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I have put [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5216618 this submission], which would change a "sf-encyclopedia.uk" URL to a "x.sf-encyclopedia.com" URL, on hold. As I mentioned earlier, "x.sf-encyclopedia.com" are new and we need guidance from SFE before we can decide what to do with them. It's possible that SFE is in the midst of migrating all of their image URLs as part of a move to "sf-encyclopedia.com". If that is the case, then we may need to change all of our SFE URLs programmatically rather than hunting them done one at a time.<br />
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I have asked their Web admin about this issue and hope to hear from him tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 21:53, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The software behind yellow warnings has been updated. As before, only links to /clute/, /langford/ and /robinson/ sub-directories are allowed for both sf-encyclopedia.com and sf-encyclopedia.uk. All of their URLs require the currently used "|" syntax. I have removed the hold from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5216618 your submission]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:48, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The First Americans: Beyond the Sea of Ice ==<br />
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What is the source of the date you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5215870 here]. No notes or other information was included with the submission. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:54, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: 1987 first edition on ISFDB has that exact date; this, https://archive.org/details/beyondseaofice00sara, the twentieth printing or so, still has the same 1987 cover art copyright. They used the same art over and over again. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::Okay, thanks. In the future, if you put that information in the moderator note, that will speed things up. Approved! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:32, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Gray Matter ==<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5230813 submission] to change the story Gray Matter into an excerpt. Both FictionMags and Locus1 indicate that it is a story. What is your evidence that it was an excerpt from the authors subsequent novel? Is it possible that the story was later expanded into a novel? If the latter, it should probably remain as a story. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:37, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/graymatter.htm. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:39, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Magazine Serials ==<br />
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I approved your edits to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?957962 Medusa's Head]'' earlier today. However, I removed the links to the scans of the original magazine serials. They really didn't belong in the Appleton publication record as they refer to a different publication of the novel. For example, we don't link to the scans of Burroughs' serializations of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?21883 A Princess of Mars]'' in any of its book publications. It would have been OK to add them to the title record. However, a better solution is to add the three issues of Harper's as non-genre magazines and link to the individual scans there. I've done this adding each scan to the appropriate issue. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:28, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Neil deGrasse Tyson ==<br />
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Hi. Just wanted to let you know that there's a bit more involved than changing the author's name as you've submitted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5237803 here]. Since De Grasse had been chosen as canonical author name, but there are only publications with deGrasse, the canonical name needs to be switched to deGrasse. To do that, the deGrasse titles need to be unvarianted from their De Grasse parent title, parent title is to be deleted, which results in the deGrasse titles being left. Then variant the Portuguese title to the English original (and I've also updated the deGrasse author record with the information available from the De Grasse record), and we're all set. Not sure if this is the most efficient way, but it got it done. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?276399 here] - have a look and let me know this is the result you intended. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:56, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: OK. Honestly I've done so many edits since this one I forgot I did it, but since your explanation was complicated and over my head I'm sure it's correct. At least my feeble attempt spurred someone else to do it right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:04, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Audrey's Private Haunts ==<br />
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I've put [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5258099 this edit] on hold. Please contact the [[User talk:Chavey|Chavey]] and have him check the title page for that story which is not shown in the Fantlab scans. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:55, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== First Channel ==<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5254672 This submission] has been placed on hold as I cannot see where you've asked the two active PVs ([[User talk:Chavey|Chavey]] and [[User talk:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]]) to verify the publisher name change you want to do. Please invite them to comment here to verify this change. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:32, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Like the Hodgson book below, I barely remember this, but I think I changed it because of the note editor left that says PLAYBOY PAPERBACKS. Also, https://www.ebay.com/itm/233000922106, which says the same on spine and copyright/title pages. I'm tired of contacting people who never respond or respond after a really long time or after they've been in and out of the hospital multiple times, which seems to be a situation shared by many of the mods. I think Chavey was gone for a long time and when he came back and responded to something I wrote him he was unpleasant and it didn't go well. I don't remember anything about the other guy, but I really have lost interest. You can accept the proof in the eBay link or contact them yourself or cancel it, I don't care. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:14, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Seriously, let's try to work together here. You get all offended every time someone asks questions about one of your edits. The vast majority of the time, you're simply misinterpreting the text interactions here as someone being unpleasant to you. We're all trying to work to improve the site, so please start giving others the benefit of the doubt. As for the ebay link, if you had included that in your submission, I wouldn't have asked you about it. As it is, your note to the moderators was "OL ID, fixed publisher". Next time, please include your sources. It makes things go much more smoothly and quickly. Thank you for your future cooperation on this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:40, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: I don't think I was offended; to be offended I'd have to care. I was merely expressing how hard it is to remember 1 of these edits when I've done hundreds since then. I don't think I even saw that eBay link until a few minutes ago because it was obvious from the logo on the cover and especially the editor's note where they actually said who the publisher is. Your message prompted me to find it, so thanks. Actually, in recent days if a mod has a problem with 1 of my edits I just cancel it rather than bother trying to remember anything, since there's a hundred other edits I could be doing; I'm not sure why I didn't do that in your case; guess I forgot. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:51, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Just a correction; while doing some edits this morning I came across something that jogged my memory; it was Mhhutchins, not Chavey, who was gone for a long time and then was unpleasant to me when he came back. I've spoken to Chavey a few times, judging by a search for my name on his board, and while a little snippy with his answers sometimes has certainly never given me a problem. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:10, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Horrors from Haunted Seas ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5262432 This submission] has been placed on hold because you didn't include any explanation for your edits. You're changing page count without any stated reason, you removed a link to Archive.org which appears to be a valid link. You also removed part of the note which explained the subtitle only appeared on the cover; the Archive.org link you removed seems to support that note. When you make changes like that, you should always include an explanation for your changes. Please provide the explanations here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:55, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't know; I've done so many edits since this one. I know prior editor entered partial contents years ago and I entered the rest recently, then after it was approved I noticed the page count in the Archive book didn't match ISFDB's so I changed it with a note about differing page counts on different Amazon pages, because prior editor got their info back in 2012 from Amazon which came from 1 of those pages with the wrong page count. I'll just cancel this edit; I barely have any interest anymore to enter new edits, much less go back and try figuring out what went wrong with old ones; what likely happened is I entered the new edit while others were being approved and some info got swallowed up/corrupted, which has happened before. Maybe I'll try to figure out what went wrong and enter a new edit. EDIT: I cancelled old edit and entered a new one. Who knows if everything is right now; it's all so confusing. I wonder now how many of my other edits may have been screwed up after entering them and nobody noticed, sitting there with missing/wrong info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:36, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::The new one has been approved. Thanks for submitting the updated edit. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:43, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Eric Linklater Stories ==<br />
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What are the sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5269320 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5269390 this]? In both cases, the pub notes state "Only stories reviewed in Bleiler, below, have been listed". With your edits, those notes would not longer be valid. When you make a change to a pub that invalidates the pub notes, you need to also change the pub notes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:17, 27 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Little Green Book of Monster Stories ==<br />
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I have placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5267552 this submission] on hold. I can see that you included this in part of [[User talk:Ofearna#Crossroads|your message]] to Ofearna, but this one has a different publisher (Macabre Ink) that is not mentioned in your discussion. Since you didn't include any useful notes (just "fixed pub."), and your discussion with Ofearna doesn't discuss this specific change from Macabre Ink to Crossroad Press, I don't know why you are changing this one. Please clarify. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:49, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: This has been sitting on my edit list for a very long time; I've done a thousand edits since then. I remember that several books entered as by Crossroads were actually by Crossroad, so I fixed those; I must have had a reason to change this one, too, but can't remember anymore, so cancel if you want to. Also, I just changed the other Leodhas collection to an omnibus, but there's a stray Gaelic Ghosts; I don't know if that gets cleaned up or has to be done manually or what. You or someone else may want to look at Leodhas' record after that edit is approved to make sure everything is OK now. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:04, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::You really don't need to respond with how you've done a bazillion edits since submitting this (or any other) edit practically any time someone asks you about a specific submission. We all know you're amazing. I'll go ahead and decline this one since you have provided no valid reason for it. If you remember the reason for this one in the future, we can always undecline it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:12, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hey Joe, if you're having a bad day that's your problem; don't cop an attitude with me. The reason I mention how many edits I've done is because when someone like you asks me to remember a minor fix like this one it's tough because I've done so many minor and major edits since then remembering something like this isn't easy; if I were like many other editors here who barely contribute or only concentrate on one specific area then I'm sure it's easy to remember, but someone like me who makes edits for countless different areas can't be expected to remember something from weeks ago when one of you finally gets around to approving it. It only stands to reason that in the enormous amount of edits I do every week a few will be dropped here and there; I don't really expect every single one to be approved. Rather than waste my time you and the other mods should be finding out why ISFDB is so slow, both on my laptop and at my local library; maybe those robots that Ahasuerus was talking about recently somewhere that were screwing with the site and making thousands of illegal pings still need fixing. As I've mentioned several times recently, I've been planning to leave here for months but personal/world issues keep getting in the way; if the huge number of edits I still do every week is any indication, imagine how much more I could do if I actually cared anymore. P.S. And yes, I am amazing. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:27, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::Quality over quantity, pal. --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 04:04, 26 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::Rosab618: Your comment is not helpful. Please refrain from making unproductive comments such as this. Thank you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:06, 26 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The National Review Treasury of Classic Children's Literature ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5288958 this submission]: I'm in process of updating this record (adding the interior art, etc.) based on the second printing and then I will clone a new record for the second printing. I'm probably won't be able to finish until later today so may look incomplete for awhile. Letting you know in case you come back to it so we don't step over each other. I will also enter Volume 2 that Internet Archive has. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:48, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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OK. For such a major anthology the info online is a mess, but there apparently was a Volume 2, https://www.worldcat.org/title/national-review-treasury-of-classic-childrens-literature/oclc/56722009, which they didn't separate properly on WorldCat; the contents for V. 2 start after "The brownies' good work". --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:07, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantômas ==<br />
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Two notes on your edit to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?398181 Fantômas]''. The listed LCCN number is legitimate. If you click through, you'll see it returns the correct record. The price as "35 cent." is given in centimes, which is 1/100th of a franc. I've updated the price accordingly. We use francs just as we use dollars for US price given in cents. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:32, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mountains and Madness ==<br />
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I'm curious to know why you replaced the cover image of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18555] with an arguably worse one than that one I scanned and uploaded to ISFDB. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:42, 14 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I saw discussion about this book and discovered the title was different inside the book, so I added note about that, and fixed incorrect date some editor made in the note about the cover art; I suppose, when I found the copy on Open Library, I replaced the cover because that's the copy I got the info from, plus the colors are sharper and likely closer to what the physical book cover would have looked like; but it doesn't really matter, so I just went to the Wiki and replaced OL cover with yours again, so it'll be approved soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:15, 14 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Just a Suggestion ==<br />
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When documenting a source, considerer simplifying the audit trail. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?219201 Seeing Red] for example. Your note requires knowledge of the internet archive, accessing it, then navigating to the proper page. A link in the webpages can takes the user directly to the information. I'll leave it to you to decide if the note is still necessary. You add a great deal of information, a good audit trail does not require you to remember specific edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:24, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deadliest of the Species ==<br />
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I have put this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5305517 submission] on hold temporarily. You need to contact [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Nowickj Nowickj] and ascertain that his publication is the first edition. If it is not, then you should clone and create one. Either way, consider making 'Vox13' the publisher. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Cancelled and redone with just OL ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:15, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:38, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Nail in the Coffin ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5303417 Source] please. I'm not doubting the validity of your information. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 23:00, 3 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: It's from the Fall 2003 Speculative Literature Issue of Descant, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2003/t71.htm#A3356, which contains nearly 30 stories, most not on ISFDB, plus many essays. I'm not adding a note for this story because that issue should be entered on ISFDB, and there's already way too many notes on ISFDB where editors said where the story first appeared when the publication they first appeared in is right there on the page. I used to delete those, hundreds probably, until a certain moderator complained about it, so I don't do that anymore. If you want to enter that huge issue, be my guest. If not, just cancel my edit. EDIT: I just realized I did add a note, just not where info came from. Ah, forget it. I'll just cancel it; if anyone ever enters that issue they'll know where it came from. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:30, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: No need to cancel it, I think the statement 'first published' requires a source. We often see where a story was 'previously published', that doesn't necessarily mean it was the first publication. A fine point to be sure.[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:09, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?956885 This] is what I had in mind. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:21, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: This notion where a story first appeared was established because this whole thing started not with the first publications (and that you are informed about the notes upon merging titles is a not so very old feature). Hope thatr explains why these do still crop up en masse. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:47, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I've entered the issue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?897388 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Jay Lake story has August note, if you trust that as right month. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:13, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Updated. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:29, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Strange Pleasures 2 ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5308028 Your submission].<br />
According to the supplied OL link & Amazon.com. The correct publication date is 2003-05-01. Change the publication date not the title date. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:42, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I cancelled it and made new edit with just OL ID and replaced cover image; there's no month in the book and no note about where PV, Prof. beard, got it from, or whoever entered it, but since some of the story dates are August the book obviously wasn't published in May; also August here, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2003/t20.htm#A951. But if you want to find him and ask him go ahead, or discuss it on the message boards. Also, me and the person who PV'd this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19457, submitted edits around the same time; you rejected my updating of the date because they'd already done it, but somehow both our cover artist were entered, so you'll have to decide which one can be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:08, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: The pub was originally entered correctly by BLongley 2008-12-26. Subsequently the title date was changed. (probably because Amazon shows that date). When Prof beard PV'd the pub, I doubt he even noticed the title date. Regardless, I approved your new submission and added a pub note referencing Locus. Daughter of Darkness is also taken care of. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:48, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Yellow Sign'' introduction date ==<br />
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This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5312068 submission] proposes to assign the introduction a date of September 2000, but the publication in which it first appeared is dated July 2000. That dating was done after your submission, and from the pub notes, it appears to be correct. Your submission does not include a source for the September date. I think the current July 2000 date is appropriate and am going to reject the submission, but please review and submit something else if you think July is wrong. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:53, 14 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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I submitted an earlier edit for this book which was approved, and then this one to change the intro to September because it didn't have a month; month entered by earlier editor was wrong, it clearly says July in the Archive copy, so where they got September from is unknown, but whoever worked on this book after me obviously caught the right date on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:17, 14 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== MacGregor[h] in ''Stories from the Near-Future'' ==<br />
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In this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5313022 submission], where did you find the credit as "MacGregor"? The Look Inside TOC shows it as "MacGregorh". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:05, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: MacGregor on copyright page and search says same on p. 43. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:09, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Many Deaths of Cole Parker ==<br />
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Was the story length [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3039653 here] from the note on the author's website, or some other source? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:19, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: That bookscxyz site I mentioned somewhere here recently has a downloadable .epub and when I printed it out it ran like 130-something pages, or checking the Google Books copy would probably run the same count, but if he mentioned it on his site, too, great. It might even be a short novel, if anyone ever cares to do a word count of the print edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:18, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding partial contents ==<br />
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When adding partial contents to a publication, please include the incomplete template. The publication will no longer show up on the cleanup report once it has any content entered. The incomplete template alerts us that there is still missing content. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:30, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: You didn't mention which book you're referring to, and honestly hardly anyone ever follows up any edits I do, so I'm basically working solo here; I usually complete my own incomplete entries eventually. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:21, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I didn't mention the publiscation ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391878 Beach Blanket Zombie: Weird Tales of the Undead & Other Humanoid Horrors]), because I went ahead and added the template. I was just reminding you for future reference. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:35, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Long Last Call ==<br />
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Take a second look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5322340 this submission]. Do we really have 2 novels in this one publication? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:34, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: As with many later Leisure books, they added bonus short stories or novellas to the main novel, and in this case while it mentions the bonus novella "Conscience" at the bottom of the cover, ISFDB classifies it as a novel because of page length or whatever the criteria is, so yes, it's 2 novels, with 1 being much shorter than the other. EDIT: Instead of creating new topics I'm just going to mention these here: the Amok cover you rejected because ISFDB doesn't credit designers as cover artists, which I certainly know, doesn't fit with the fact that 3 other Amok editions have that person credited as cover artist, so I assume, as in many cases, the designer also did the artwork. Regardless, it makes no sense to have 1 edition with no cover artist but 3 others with the same cover with a credited cover artist, so it would make more sense to approve my edit or remove the cover credit from the other 3. Also, as with many small-press collections such as Stuart Young's Spare Parts, they include stories from obscure publications not on ISFDB, in this case very many, so I detailed those stories' histories on the main title page of the collection. There's no reason to include the same info for those individual stories in their separate records, and something also went wrong with one of your entries because the edit/edit history buttons are next to the story title instead of all the way on the right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:43, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for alerting me to the problem with 'Face at the Window'. Apparently an angle bracket got inserted into the title, fixed now. Notes regarding a story's publishing history belong in the story title, not a publication title. If I had any reason to look at the publication title record, I would have told you to move them rather than doing it myself. While these stories haven't been nor may never appear in another publication, the notes still belong on the individual titles. My rejection of the Amok cover based on the current PV's note is correct. I have reached out to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Boskar Boskar] for confirmation before removing the credit from the other three. Ultimately, all will be handled the same. Interestingly, Boskar initially entered the earliest printing, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Stonecreek Stonecreek] edited it and then cloned the other two publications. Focus the 'Username radar' and help me find a word count for 'Conscience'. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:00, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Santraí ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326383 This submission]. Why variant/ If they are identical, merge. Perhaps I'm missing something. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Seat of Inspiration ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326387 This submission]. If you look at the copyright page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?899761 Eros Interruptus] it credits the earlier printing in 'The Urbanite, #6' as 'Seat of Inspiration'. I think 'Seat of Inspirations' is a typo. Cancel your variant, submit a merge with the above reason in note to mod. post here that it is submitted and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:52, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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On closer inspection, looks like you entered the contents for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61657 The Urbanite, #6]. If it wasn't a typo, tell me and I'll approve the variant. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:05, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Is it a data entry typo or not? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:18, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I don't think I entered the contents, just the page #'s. Cacek's story titles are a mess, so unless someone can see a copy of that Urbanite issue it's hard to tell what the title was there, so I guess this should be cancelled until someone can verify and merge or variant as needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:24, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Since we aren't sure, the safest course is to variant. We can always merge if a copy surfaces. Your submission is approved. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:37, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Currency Symbols ==<br />
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In the future, please use the correct currency symbols; even in notes like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5328557 this one]. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:48, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I enter additional prices in Notes exactly the way they appear in/on the book, whether that's full or abbreviated country name or currency. If a book actually had an A, C, etc. in front of the price I'd enter it that way, but most don't. The idea is to enter info as it appears originally, not the way we feel it should look like. It's pointless to enter a C in front of a Canadian price when the word Canada precedes it; of course, if I enter a main price in the price field then it needs an A, C, etc. in front of it because those prices are displayed when searching; notes don't show unless someone goes to the specific record for the publication itself. If you like entering those letters in notes, to each their own. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:58, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: If you want to change our policy, feel free to start a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions Rules and standards discussion]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:18, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::This is one of the few cases where we standardize things. Please use the symbols and abbreviations as noted [[Help:List of currency symbols|here]], both in the currency field and in notes. Thank you! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:59, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Coal Black ==<br />
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Hi. Why'd you add the image [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337624 here]? Isn't it the same one that was already there? --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:17, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I see your 2 edits in the history and my edit uploading the cover to the Wiki because there's no image on ISFDB-linked sites; the Wiki only has my name as the uploader, but there's been several times recently where I uploaded a new, better cover to replace an old one and it didn't do that because the URL of the image was slightly different than the old URL, and a mod needed to fix everything to make the image go to the right page so it will show up on the book's record. If you uploaded an image it might be on another Wiki page, if that's what you're talking about. The wait times have been getting longer lately for approvals, so there's a lot of cross-editing where an editor enters something and by the time it's approved a self-mod or mod has already entered it themselves. The image is there in the record, so it seems to be OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:33, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
::On the 9th, I added to the record the image you uploaded. (Where did you find it, by the way?) I didn't upload one myself.<br />
::You don't see the image on the Wiki? That's strange. It's there.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:46, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Now that you mention it, I recall that after you asked me where I found it a few days ago (I think it came from here, http://www.alephbet.com/pdf/cat101-web.pdf; searching Google Images for the title and author's last name brings the image up, which is the only one I saw online that looked good, unlike the AbeBooks and Amazon ones), I noticed you made a couple of edits or something similar and I wondered what that was about. The Wiki has my name and a June 9 date, so I think it's that cross-editing thing I mentioned where you approved your edit adding my image from the Wiki to the record and then my edit doing the same was approved. The cover image is there, anyway, so I don't think anything else needs to be done, except adding OCLC ID, 2468107, which you should do since you can approve it. Price is missing, but unless someone finds a copy that will remain empty. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:02, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: There's actually a searchable Google Books copy, and by searching for author's name it showed the back cover which mentioned his place of birth and by searching for "seven dudes" it showed the title on the flap with the price next to it. So I've entered 2 edits for those, and I think everything that can be done for this book has been done now. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:20, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rubicon Beach ==<br />
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I've placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337954 this submission] on hold as you haven't followed PV procedures. The only thing that concerns me is the change in price. As the 2 and 7 are not near each other anywhere on the keyboard, it's unlikely it was a typo on the part of the PV, so we need to have them make sure that's the price in their copy. Since this editor hasn't done anything for about a year, please post on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard]] so the change can be discussed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:55, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Across Paris and Other Stories ==<br />
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I approved your changes, but I question whether [https://img.fantasticfiction.com/images/c0/c1075.jpg this image] is better than the [https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81jw+QokP8L.jpg previous image]. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:09, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I did notice the same thing you did, so it wouldn't bother me if someone reverted or found an even better one; it's not like it's a rare book with a very hard-to-find cover. EDIT: I see now that I added the cover from Fantastic Fiction; 1 OL link has no cover and the other has a bright image but with a sticker on it. So if you're going to replace it you'll have to go to some other site, assuming you're not just going to revert to the old one. What's funny, though, is that the OL page with the stickered cover links to an Archive copy with no jacket while the OL page with no cover links to an Archive copy with the stickered cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:32, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasyworld ==<br />
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I approved your submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13194 Fantasyworld], but I removed the cover art credit since it was just a photo. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Dude, I don't know what happened here, but the Michael Trevillion Fantasyworld credit has no book under it and this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5341881, shows I entered the artist's name where it's supposed to be; a few minutes ago the FantLab link was just that, but now that I checked again his picture is there. So I don't know what's up but I entered everything properly as far as I can tell; I don't know what happened after that. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:46, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: The empty title record has been deleted. The problem isn't how you entered it, but that it is merely a photo and we do not give cover art credit for a photo. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:41, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''An Exercise for Madmen'' ==<br />
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I hope the title isn't a commentary on ISFDB activity.... For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5340813 this submission], did you mean to remove the Open Library link or only add the WorldCat link? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:26, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My previous edit adding OL ID, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5340686, was approved recently but I made another one adding WorldCat ID and, because ISFDB has a problem with multiple entries, the 2nd edit thought I wanted to replace the 1st ID with another one instead of putting it in the next ID field. This has happened many times and I'm sure some info I've entered has been lost because later entries screw up previous ones. Mods or self-mods can approve their edits and then do additional edits but people like me have to wait, sometimes for a long time, for edits to be approved and I don't always remember that I made an edit for a book earlier that hasn't been approved yet. Someone should look into updating the software or whatever so people can make several edits for the same book and have new info added instead of replacing the old info. So yes, both ID should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:37, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::OK, thanks. I accepted it and restored the OL ID. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 22:25, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mulengro: A Romany Tale ==<br />
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I approved the edit, but what is page number 'fp' in this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193329 publication]? This is not one of the <i>Special designations</i>. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:39, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I asked about this on Moderator board, so we'll see what they think. Also, you made an edit after mine, "added link because the link in the previous edit note to moderator was the wrong jpg". It wasn't really the wrong one; I added Gorman's intro and Sproule's frontispiece and the photo shows both of those, so that's why I added it in note to mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:47, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: When I followed your link it only showed the frontispiece and the title page. I added the link to the scan of the limitation page to support your note. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:55, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Poe's Lighthouse ==<br />
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Please doublecheck the OL number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5347679 this submission]. Are you sure it shouldn't be OL8825435M ? Thanks. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:05, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't think so. The OL I added links to an archived copy; ISBN is the same on copyright page, price is the same on front flap, etc. Your OL leads to a record which has no Archive link. I provide OL ID because I don't like linking directly to Archive.org as much (most?) of the non-public domain material isn't really supposed to be there. I do rarely link to a non-archived OL record if there's something on it unusual, but that's not the case here. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:16, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== UK prices during decimalization ==<br />
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I'm approving [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5347842 your edit] to ''Hands of the Ripper''. However, as mentioned [[User talk:Username#British Books with two prices|above]] that during the period of decimalization, the price field should reflect the pre-decimal (shillings and pence) price. I'll correct your edit accordingly. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:15, 29 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: OK, but the thing is that there are 21 Sphere books from 1971 here, 19 of which have prices, and only 5 of those have the old prices. So other editors weren't sure how to enter them, either. I'll see if I can fix any of them; maybe you can, too, if you wish. EDIT: I remembered this related topic, http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Pre_and_Post_decimal_UK_prices, where others seemed to suggest the opposite was correct. EDIT: I switched old price from note to price field for Pan's 1969 Moon Zero Two after coming across it randomly. I have a feeling there are thousands of others that would need the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 29 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rakefire and Other Stories ==<br />
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Will you add a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?784806 Rakefire and Other Stories] stating the source of the content? I was able to confirm it but I don't know that you used the same source as I did. Ping here when you submit it and I will immediately approve it. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:40, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: There's already a note about data from Amazon and all the story titles and info about each story are there. This looks like a Fixer entry so I wouldn't expect a robot to notice that. If you want to specifically say where they came from you can do that; I don't know if the rule is to credit the reviewer by name, although he seems to have published the same exact lengthy review all over the web. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:46, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I see the review now. Honestly, it never would have occurred to me to look there, I never trust anything people post in those. In this case it is correct. I might tweak the note a bit. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:16, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Two Poems from Star*Line, May-June 1990 ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350644 this submission] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350651 this submission] until you get agreement from [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hkauderer Hkauderer]. I see your link for one of the submissions. Be patient, he stops by and will answer. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:21, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't know what he'd need to agree to, since the link I provided for the first poem shows the part I deleted was a dedication, not part of the poem's title, while the other poem I didn't include a link for is available at several places online as part of a sequence of poems and also clearly shows the deleted part is a dedication and not part of the title, but if you want to wait for him to say it was a mistake, OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:36, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: You are making changes to a verified publication. This verifier is quite familiar with speculative poetry. Obviously, he felt the dedications were part of the titles. It is up to you to reach agreement for any changes. If you don't care to communicate with him, let me know. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:01, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: If you say he's familiar, OK. I'll wait; if he agrees, fine, if not, I'll just cancel my edits. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:20, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Author Birthplace ==<br />
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When entering an author's birthplace, please follow [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:AuthorFields:BirthPlace these guidelines]. I added UK [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?328935 here]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:49, 5 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Summer Meadows ==<br />
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I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5354028 this submission] on hold. The only edition of 'The Summer Meadows' on Google Books is the paperback. That's where I see the $5.95 price using search inside. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:30, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: https://books.google.com/books?id=UHxBAAAAIAAJ; I searched for 5.95 and it shows the price. All the early-mid 70's Delacorte books on ISFDB have HC prices the same or slightly lower or higher. Using advanced search here I found no Delacorte PB and the first TP is 1987. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:47, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/UHxBAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0; I'm looking at the record you reference, the format says paperback. Do you want me to ask another mod for a second opinion? I'm not offended. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:14, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Click the link I provided; it takes you to a page with a search box under the book's title page. Enter 5.95, and you should see $5.95 in the results, clearly on a book flap. It's a hardcover; As I said above, Delacorte published no paperbacks according to my search on ISFDB, and the first trade paperback was not until 1987. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:22, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: You totally ignore what I say, just repeat your previous statement. The only difference between what we are looking at is you are using google classic view and I'm looking at the new view which gives the book details. The new view does have the hc ISBN (044008444X), but format says Paperback. A contradiction. I have released the hold. Another mod can review it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:43, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I keep repeating what I said before because you're not getting what I'm saying. Delacorte, the publisher of The Summer Meadows, published zero paperbacks, or at least there are none on ISFDB. If you check Delacorte books on ISFDB you will see that all books published around the same date as this book are all hardcovers and all have the same price as this book or a little lower or higher depending on the page count or inflation or whatever. If there was a paperback edition of this book it would have a much lower price than $5.95, because mass-market paperbacks usually didn't cost nearly that much back then. And if the Google copy was a paperback then the price wouldn't be on a flap, it would be on the front or back cover like most paperbacks. Just because Google Books is confused doesn't make a difference; they're a huge mess just like every other book-related website, and have tons of wrong info. And the page I saw when I clicked your link looks completely different than the one I linked, and it says paperback on it, which mine doesn't, so I don't know what exactly you're looking at; maybe if you look at this, https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22the+summer+meadows%22, you'll find the same page I did. I'll mention this on the community board so this can be resolved quickly instead of waiting around for someone to get to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:59, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Requested report ==<br />
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You asked if there is a way to find the publications which have 'fp' in the page field. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Ahasuerus Ahasuerus] has modified the cleanup report [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?287 Publications with Invalid Page Numbers] to accomplish this for you. The report will be available tomorrow morning. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:08, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Unreals ==<br />
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I see you changed the format from tp to hc for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?478332 The Unreals]. I saw your note quoting the statement from the book. How do you explain Open Library, Google Books and Amazon all calling this a paperback? Also. here are two sale listings [https://www.ebay.com/itm/185393521738?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1mrjO3bUxRxePYbhCuSW-yA20&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-213727-13078-0&mkcid=2&itemid=185393521738&targetid=4581046489808873&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=&poi=&campaignid=418640322&mkgroupid=1239149842233245&rlsatarget=pla-4581046489808873&abcId=9300602&merchantid=51291&msclkid=77a6ba70a29e1f86e16cd8a01b0aa24e ebay] and [https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-unreals_donald-jeffries/1355990/?resultid=6265ae6a-69c8-40fd-998c-523871d7abc7#edition=5550403&idiq=33525694 thriftbooks] which both state the format is paperback. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't see your name in the edit history, so I'm not sure why you're so upset, but we here at ISFDB go by what the book says, and it says "hardcover". If anyone ever gets their hands on a physical copy with that ISBN and it turns out to really be a trade paperback it can always have the format changed back with a note saying the publisher made a mistake in their own book; it would hardly be the first time that's happened. Nothing online or in reference books is gospel; I've fixed countless mistakes that came from every one of those sources you mentioned. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:13, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Whether I'm on the edit history or not is irrelevant. Also, I'm hardly upset. I merely question the change. Do you really think it likely that both the sellers are also mistaken about the format? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:22, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: It's relevant because you didn't enter the format as TP, someone else did; if you were a PV then you'd know for sure if it's a TP. Also, I've seen many, many auctions where the seller just copied info from online but the photos of the book showed something different. As I said, the only way to verify this is finding a physical copy, and if it's really a TP reverting the format and adding an appropriate note. Then the question will be if there's a HC edition out there somewhere, or if the publisher scrapped plans to release one but forgot to change their copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:28, 15 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Internet Archive services ==<br />
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Hi, Concerning your latest note [[User talk:Pwendt#Doll Who Came Alive]], and the preceding, and some other 2022 contributions here at ISFDB Wiki, let me ask a general question: How do you use Archive.org for viewing protected content in "recent" books? Is it an institutional privilege (<s>such as I may have here, sitting inside a major university library building, a novelty for me in the last 30 months</s><font color=green>not this institution</font>)? <br />
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Or do you use this service which is available to everyone, or everyone in the USA or somewhere, with a "free account"?<br />
: | Log In and Borrow v | Renewable every hour, pending availability | (i)<br />
I suppose it is this widely available free service that you have in mind, for ISFDB users who will make use of the "archive.org" publication webpage to view or even print illustrations. Right?<br />
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Or something else (although the one hour will be adequate for many ISFDB data gathering purposes)?<br />
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For books with protected content I have used only the "Limited preview // Some pages are omitted." In my experience that shows several opening leaves only. Even the back and back inside bookcover or dustjacket is omitted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:07, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, there's a blue "borrow for 1 hour" button after you sign up which lets you view the entire book, and, if nobody else has it borrowed, you can keep clicking that button in case you need more than an hour. In this case, there's a weird black cover when you search for the book, but as soon as you turn to the first page the real cover is revealed, which doesn't look like the one already on ISFDB, even though the publisher is the same. I tend to stay away from these kids' books because they reprinted many of them so often it's hard to tell which edition is which, but you seem to have done some research judging by your notes, so I thought it would help in fixing some of it or adding more. Looking at it, the first thing I notice is that the page count is actually 76, not 75, because the last page of the story is unnumbered, so that's 1 thing to start with. I also see that the NY Times review of the 1942 edition cost $2, while this Archive edition has a $2.75 price, so it's not the original but probably not the 1972 edition on ISFDB because books cost more by that point. It's also an ex-library edition, and the first date stamped on the card at the back is '55, so that should help in narrowing down the date. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:23, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your notes on ''The Doll'' which I will consider later. I do have good access to historical newspapers and magazines, in my air-conditioned university library station --where I sit today but I have barely visited in 30 months.<br />
::: Back to the technical matter. Last hour I enrolled at Archive.org using email address and password and I borrowed ''The Eerie Book'' 1981 edition P{{p|487344}} for one hour. Today unable to give it much time, after one hour I did learn [a] what happens when/as time expires. <br />
::: [b] What do you make of this, at ''The Eerie Book'' 1981? Upon borrowing I learn there are 224 images, presumably 1 to 224 ... Now I visit what appears to be the back inside jacket flap, as "218 of 219"! Flip the page and see image "224" and last! That one doesn't look as I expect from the back bookcover or dustjacket. How do you interpret these last two images "218" and "224"? <br />
::: Today that's all I had time to view. But, yes, I do have the one-hour privilege now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:32, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Answer to your question concerning total no of pages ==<br />
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See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5379858 here for your question] - Answer: no, the same rules apply for all languages - looks like someone counted the three pages of advertisements and stuff. I've corrected the page no's to 157. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 05:59, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deathbringer ==<br />
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Per your note to moderators in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5376099 this submission]: Search on ISBN came up with the cover for the 2nd edition - see [https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30257088918&cm_sp=det-_-bsk-_-bdp]. Very difficult to read, but I'm fairly sure ISFDB cover scan of the first edition says 2246 in the right margin of the cover, whereas the AbeBooks scan says 2562 for the 2nd edition (same price for both editions, it seems) Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:47, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dragon Quintet ==<br />
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Hello. Can you provide source for these two (related) edits: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380430], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380431]? Thanks!<br />
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: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?31459; Don Erikson, the long-gone PV of the edition with the wrong cover credit, was one of the most common enterers of wrong info here; I can't count how many of his old edits I've had to correct. In this case, it's clear the Eggleton art is only on the Book Club edition while all the Tor editions use the same art, so I removed the wrong art credit and then imported the right one (Erikson also PV the Tor HC, so I assume he was just confused when he added the wrong info to the PB). There's no source, it's just a mistake I'm correcting, unless I'm missing something. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:57, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Oh, I see. Approved. (I may have to stop reviewing and approving submissions for today... :). Thanks, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:27, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:34, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Please revert edit for Kingsbane ==<br />
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Would you please revert this edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5381259] and remove the LCCN from External IDs? The note specifically says there is no valid LoC record which is why it doesn't belong as an external ID. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:19, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Not online, or not at all? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:39, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::My only LoC validation source is the LoC online lookup but I would think that should be sufficient. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:26, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:27, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Independence ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5382526 this submission]. I don't see any attempt to contact the PV. The notes clearly state that the publication date is from a secondary source (Amazon.com). I have no problem with editing the disambiguation of the 'Author's Note' if you wish to resubmit. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:11, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: MLB, as has been mentioned many times on these boards, has told me to just fix any minor mistakes because he made so many of them in his PV over the years that it's a waste of time contacting him about all of them. Also, most paperbacks wouldn't have the day of publication, Amazon uses the first day of the month when they don't know the exact date (could be the month before or after), and there's a later printing on Archive.org, https://archive.org/details/quantumleapindep0000peel, that says August on the copyright page. MLB wrote about both Amazon and the copyright page in his note, so I assume he just forgot to fix the date based on the actual book instead of Amazon. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:24, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Of course, the actual publication does not give the day. That is the reason MLB added the note. (OL also agrees). If the date is changed, then the August 1 date should be incorporated into the note. For ex: "Publication date 1996-08-01 per Amazon.com as of 2012-10-15'. I hate to throw away data. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:43, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Amazon has always had a habit, when they don't really know the publication date, to just use -01- for the day; OL's info is often just copied straight from Amazon. The book's date is on the copyright page, August 1996. The only reason to include Amazon's date is if the book wasn't available, but it is, because he PV it, and there's an Archive.org copy. If the book was one of those that listed the day in the date, and there are some (usually small-press) books that do, or a later printing that mentions the exact date of the earlier printing(s) then the day could be justifiably entered, but that's not the case here. You can ask about this on the boards if you want. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:55, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::Books rarely give the <b>actually day</b> that a book is printed. The date that you see on Amazon is the date that the book arrives, I think, in inventory. Compare dates, page count, and prices, with Barnes & Noble. You can find minute differences. If you want, just make minute changes when you need to. Besides, my brother, who was a fan of the show, absconded with a number of my <i>Quantum Leap</i> books, so I may not even have that book anymore. Typos are my kryptonite, thanks for paying attention. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:11, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:MLB MLB], thanks for chiming in. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:18, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Toast ==<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/toast_stross/mode/2up this archive.org link] is not for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?247813 2006 tp edition]. No page numbering, number of pages is incorrect, no cover illustration. This is most likely an e-book, self published by the author. I removed the link from my verified pub. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:46, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, it is by the author, as he explains in a note following the copyright page. It's also the only edition of Toast on Archive.org, and it does have the same ISBN as the 2006 TP and is the only expanded edition, and hardly anyone knows it's there judging by the fact that it was uploaded in 2015 but there's still less than 1,000 views, so I figured the best place to put it would be in your edition, but apparently not. So now I'll just put it in the title record; the most important thing is allowing people to read it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:09, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publication Links to scans ==<br />
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Hi Username<br />
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Please don't remove links to other scans when adding new scans, unless the original links are no longer active. I know that you prefer Open Library links to links directly to the Internet Archive, but that is no reason to overwrite existing links that have been previously added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:52, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: The Archive links I replaced were all added by me; if someone else had added them then I would have left them alone. The Luminist PDFs I've been adding lately are all fully readable and printable, unlike the Archive copies, unless you have a 14-day pass or whatever is needed, and then they encrypt them and people complain about them all the time and so on. It's fine with something like Dalby's Ghosts For Christmas, where I noticed that you approved my edit replacing Archive link with Luminist PDF and then added Archive link back immediately afterwards, since there's a slight possibility that the Luminist site might disappear off the web and the only readable copy would be on Archive, but I disagree with putting back those lousy Dark Shadows Archive links with their menu and Jane Austen URL that has nothing to do with the books themselves, but if you and other mods feel like adding all of those dozens of Archive links back, so be it. EDIT: I see you just approved my edit replacing the 2 Google Drive links (that I added some time ago) for The Elemental and the Ace Double containing the infamous how-long-is-it? Falcons of Narabedla, that Luminist used to use for many of their books, with the PDFs that they've converted most of their books into, and then added back the old Google Drive links, anyway. Seems pointless, but whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:00, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Infinity Three ==<br />
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I accepted your submission adding this publication by mistake, so I deleted it. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18237 Here] is the existing record. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:34, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Your question on image replacement ==<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5394627 this submission], you stated "I replaced the wrong cover image, which has the old edition's info on the side, with the correct cover with info on the top, but I had to replace it here because, as has happened several times before, the uploaded cover didn't go to the same page as the old uploaded cover, so if moderator wants to contact somebody and ask them to fix that it would be great" This behaviour you observed is a consequence of copying publication records to create another printing and/or edition. As a consequence, the image URL is also copied, but continues to point to the original cloned record. The only solution to fix this problem is either to go to the cloned record and update the image there, or, if the intent is to replace with a correct image, then you need to do what you've done here, and upload a new cover image and update the corresponding pub record. As far as I can tell, there's not much that can be done about this without significantly changing the software's behaviour. Hope this clarifies. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:42, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: OK, but the last several times this happened one of the long-time mods, maybe JLaTondre or Ahasuerus, said they fixed it so it pointed to the right page. I don't know what they did, but I doubt it was just replacing it in the record, or maybe it was, who knows. I left that message simply because I was tired of leaving a message on the boards every time this happened and wanted either the original uploader or the mod who approved the edit to take care of it. In the future I'll just replace it in the book's record, although that still means, I think, that the old wrong cover still has a page on the Wiki somewhere. Also, why is the word "behaviour" in your message flagged as a wrong spelling, with a red underline? The mods' names have it, too, which is logical because they're not actual words, but shouldn't spellcheck recognize British spelling? --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:09, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Indeed, the old cover has still a page on the wiki - however, if no pub record points to it anymore, eg because they have been replaced with another one, it doesn't really matter if it does, right? You can ask a moderator to cleanup these orphan picture uploads, but not sure myself if that's really needed or expected.<br />
::As far as I understand it, if your system is set up to check US spelling, then it does that, and only that. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:52, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Thirteenth Ghost Book ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5402720 this submission]. Since there aren't any pages with Roman numerals, the Pages field should remain unchanged. The page number for the 'Editor's Preface' should be 7. (not bracketed). I see that the table of contents shows vii for the page number. However, from the first bullet point under [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles Regular Titles] Page -"Caution: Do not use the table of contents to determine the page numbers of a publication's contents." Resubmit and I'll approve. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:25, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A word on the use of <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> ==<br />
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Hello. Just an FYI - if you happen to know that not all spec fic content has been added to a publication (as you mentioned in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5408632 this submission]), then you can use the <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> template in the notes field (unless you plan on adding them right after in a subsequent edit, of course ;)). That'll allow cleanup reports to list these pubs. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:40, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I've been told that before, but when I used to do that, sometimes, the contents were almost never entered by anyone until I eventually ended up doing it at some point, so it's a waste of time; most of the people here don't really care about helping with anything that doesn't interest them personally, and even if they did many of the editors/moderators are very reluctant to help me with anything because I'm not a sycophant and don't let them bully me, or they're still mad about some sarcastic comment I made a year-and-a-half ago, so they ignore anything with my name on it, as can be seen by the hundreds of messages I've left on the boards since 2021, when I started editing, that have never been answered. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::''I'm'' interested in the incompletes. It would be useful if you would add it. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:37, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Highgate Vampire ==<br />
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It seems to me that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5406724 The Highgate Vampire] is SHORTFICTION, not an ESSAY. I find it strange that Manchester should write an ESSAY on his own story (albeit not impossible). Do you have evidence elsewhere that this should be converted? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:40, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Because the edit of mine you approved recently containing Highgate Vampire includes a link to the Coronet copy on R. Dalby's site, and the photo of contents page says 4 new vampire stories or something similar, and that title is not in that section, it's in the essay section. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:11, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: OK, thanks for the explanation. I've approved it. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:46, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Narrator template ==<br />
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Please use the <nowiki>{{Narrator|}}</nowiki> template in audio publications. I'm sure you saw where I have added it to some of your edits. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:16, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Exotic Gothic: Forbidden Tales From Our Gothic World ==<br />
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When some of the page numbers are not visible/readable but the order of the stories is (such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279827 here], use piped numbers tied to the story before and after the missing numbers to keep the order of the titles in the publication. I added the two missing numbers [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279827 here]. When you leave some stories without any numbers while others have page numbers, they float to the top of the list, before the preface in this case. This way the order is preserved and visible. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:39, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: That's a deliberate choice; I'm the one who almost always eventually finds somewhere that shows the missing numbers and then fills them in, with a few very rare cases where some other person finds them and deigns to fill them in themselves, hopefully actually letting me know they did that so I don't think they're still missing, which they usually don't and I just stumble on the completed record some time in the future. So it makes it easier to know which are missing if they're all bunched at the top rather than having to look through sometimes very long contents lists to find them, hoping that I actually catch them all. You added the pipes to this one, however, so whatever, who cares, nothing matters anymore. WorldCat's new site is a mess, Amazon has completely changed their site for the worse, Fantastic Fiction doesn't show Amazon covers anymore because of those changes, and our site's move to a new server has been a total nightmare, with bugs galore and spam messages outnumbering the real ones. Not to mention another world war is in the offing, which will make this whole thing moot because internet service will be gone and nobody will be using ISFDB, anyway. Thanks for adding those pipes, though. :) EDIT: Turns out there's a snippet copy on Google, typed the titles, found the numbers, so now they're complete once edit's approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:29, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. The point stands though - if we know the order, we use pipes to make the publication page as presentable as possible. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:05, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== How to Survive a Fire at the Greenmark ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5417773 this submission], as there was another title record involved. A merge produces [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2365084 this title record]. It was easier for me to just do it, rather than have you redo your submission. Thanks for catching this, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:04, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Tell-Tale Heart ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?915136 This] publication appears on the exception report because it is lacking the content title. You have marked it juvenile. Is that because of the publisher or did you see it stated somewhere? I looked at [https://archive.org/details/william-castle-telltale-heart] and [https://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/hanna-barbera-does-the-tell-tale-heart/]. Initially, I imported the regular title, but reversed it pending your input. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:48, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, it's part of a cartoon series, cartoons are for kids, especially older cartoons like Hanna-Barbera's; if it was Adult Swim or something that would be different, but pretty much everything H-B did was marketed to kids. EDIT: Also, I imported it myself, but it's currently waiting in a 330-edit list of mine, so you don't have to import anything, it'll be accepted sometime in the near future. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:38, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: You submission is approved. <Strike>Please do two more things. First, merge the duplicated CHAPBOOK title records (check for duplicates in the publication Editing Tools: menu)</strike> Please use the narrator template, <nowiki>{{Narrator|William Castle}}</nowiki>, rather than straight text. When(if) we make narrators their own record, it will be easier to implement. Post when you submissions is in the queue and I'll approve them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:32, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Approved, Thank you [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:57, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== New Writings in Horror and the Supernatural, Vol. 2 ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5422611 this submission] and resubmitted it without the change to the title record. The three title records (anthology, and two content titles) incorrectly credited to an alternate name were fixed via merges. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23815 Here] is the final result. Thanks for finding this. If anything is not clear, ask. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:12, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Evocations ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5422619 this submission]. What is the source for the contents? Are you planning on submitting the remaining titles? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:33, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Probably Amazon Look Inside or Scribd, I don't remember, it's been so long, that's why mods should unfreeze the notes box so editors can add info like that when importing titles. Maybe this: https://thebookloversboudoir.wordpress.com/2015/08/04/book-review-evocations-by-james-brogden/; and no, I only imported stories already on ISFDB, since I don't know how the other stories are titled in the print book, online info being unreliable at best, and I don't have a copy to check. If a copy ever shows up on Archive or somewhere then I can enter the rest, assuming I'm still doing this by then. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:15, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I'll add a note citing Look inside and the <nowiki>{{Incomplete}}</nowiki> template. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:55, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Venus, the Lonely Goddess ==<br />
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Re; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5425887 this submission]. The title page shows 'The Lonely Goddess' as the subtitle. Shouldn't the title be 'Venus: The Lonely Goddess' to comply with our standards? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:28, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, I think you're right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:32, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: If you resubmit, I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:38, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Just approve it and I'll do another edit adding the colons; there's other info in that edit besides just the change of title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:49, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Chapbooks and title level fields ==<br />
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Please be careful when adding chapbooks. In general the flags such as novelization don't apply. Also links should only be added if they apply to the publication. If you're trying to add a link or a novelization flag they belong on the SHORTFICTION that you are adding. After the new chapbook edit is approved, you can add them on the newly created SHORTFICTION title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:32, 3 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing author/artist names in publications. ==<br />
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Please remember that when you change an author's name inside a publication the publication or title records are the only record for that author, it is better to ask the moderators to change the name in the author record as to preserve any other data in the author record. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5437438 this edit] removes the last reference to Arnid Johnston. The existing record includes the author's legal name which will be lost when that record is deleted as a result of the edit. You had one other edit that I approved today that had a similar issue. I'll go ahead and approve and update the new record with the former record's legal name. However, it's best to correct these sorts of errors in the author record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:10, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Heart-Beast'' cover URLs ==<br />
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Would you take a look at {{P|16664|Heart-Beast}}? Your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5433424 submission], which I accepted, seems/seemed to have an m.media-amazon.com Amazon cover URL in it that the software didn't like. Accepting the submission further seems to have ignored it, because the pub record has an images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com URL (to a poorer quality image, but it's the same cover). And I know you've been on a bit of a mission to change m-media.amazon.com links to images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com links for stability reasons. So I'm a bit confused about what's up, I sort of doubt you would have changed something from images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com, and I suspect the URL in the record is what we want and not the URL seen in the submission. That is what we have at the moment, anyway. If you think something should be different, let me know and submit whatever is appropriate, and I'll follow up. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:56, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It is not the m-media.amazon.com that is an issue (it is an exact mirror of images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com so every image on one of them exist under the same name on the other - if we decide not to use m-media.amazon.com, these can be swapped behind the scenes although a lot of the new images coming in are using m-media.amazon.com so it may be a losing battle). The problem in this one is that it is an /images/G/ image and those have their ".L" after a dot - which is caught into the check for formatting so you see this error unlike the cases with the /P/ images where it shows the "these are not /I/ images warning -- the current software can only show 1 warning per field. We do not know how stable /G/ are - I think these may be the old user images which may mean that a user can delete them at their whim. The only ones we know to be stable are the images in /images/I/ so that warning is there for anything that is not in the /images/I/ space in Amazon. It can be ignored for spaces we do not know much I suspect (such as /G/) but if a better image is found over in /I/, it will be better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:44, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Hi. Yes, I understood the warning. What I didn't/don't understand is why that submission's URL did not "take" when I accepted the submission. I'm suspecting that submission didn't actually try to do anything with the URL, and the desired image is the one currently linked (and not on m-media.amazon.com). I didn't want to contravene anyone's intentions by trying to "fix" it, so I thought I'd ask. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:38, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Extended Play'' and "A Night in Tunisia" ==<br />
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Hi. Just FYI, I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5433436 this submission]. The primary verifier had completed the contents in a submission made the day before, and "A Night in Tunisia" was already in the contents when I went to process this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:41, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Italian books ==<br />
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A few notes:<br />
: When adding Italian books, the NILF number (the digits at the end of fantascienza.com's IDs which follow the "NILF" prefix) goes into the external IDs, not in the links. <br />
: "digest" is not one of the formats we use for books (it is defined only for magazines) - we use either pb or tp for paperbacks. <br />
: The Translator goes into the title note, not the publication note (or in both if so you prefer but it is required on the title level). <br />
All 3 were fixed post approval [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?918597 Operazione: Sterminio] and I also created the variant while I was around. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:21, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: A few more notes: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?5646; 2 novels entered by other editors as "digest"; 2 records which have the translator in the publication note (and without using the translator template), 1 of which also has the translator in the title note and 1 of which doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:49, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: So they need cleaning up and fixes. As you had probably realized by now, there are a lot of things in the DB that need fixing. Some of them are because of changed rules through the years (the older the record, the more likely is that it was added under different rules and practices), some of them are because of incomplete sources or human mistakes and some of them are simply because the editor did not check the rules and applied their own logic. We try to keep to the rules with new entries and current updates; when time permits, older stuff gets also cleaned up. It is the nature of collaborative projects which survive as long a ours. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:55, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Yeah, I know there's lots of things that need fixing because I've fixed thousands of them. I'll fix these because like so many others if I don't they'll never get fixed, with many of my fixes being for mistakes that have been in the edit history since 2006-2007 when public editing first started; most of the current editors and moderators have abandoned anything except modern e-books, leaving hundreds of thousands of pre-e books and magazines to oblivion. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:21, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Open Library OL and archive.org ==<br />
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Once again (User talk:Pwendt#Doll Who Came Alive) I do have an account with password to Borrow rather than merely Preview. <br />
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How do you use OpenLibrary.org and Archive.org in conjunction, for research?<br />
And when hope to add Webpage at archive.org, or External ID "OL....", for others to follow? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:22, 18 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Are there books with a Preview available, which are not available for anyone to Borrow? (maybe equivalent to Not in the Library) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:57, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I'm no expert, but the relation between OL and Archive seems to be messy; there are books that show up on OL that don't on Archive even though the previewable copy is an Archive book, there are Archive books that don't show up on OL, books on OL but not on Archive often have a blue borrow unavailable tag at the top, trying to borrow something for 14 days using the pull-down menu next to borrow for 1 hour gives you epub or pdf links which only download some ASIM thing that you're supposed to use with some kind of Adobe reader or something and don't let you print anything from them, etc. I gather from messages on the site that Archive used to be much better about letting people borrow material for longer periods until they got complaints about copyrighted material on their site and switched to the 1 hour thing. So I'd say search for whatever you're looking for on both OL and Archive and, as long as nobody else has it borrowed, you can keep renewing the 1 hour thing endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:00, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Doctor Doolittle ==<br />
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Would you consider this pub record still be corrupt (as per the notes), after [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5444256 your edit]? If not, I suggest removing that note. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:26, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Going by the edit history it seems Pwendt wrote it, so I left them a message asking to remove it if they think it needs to be now, after my edits. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:35, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Frank Mahood ==<br />
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FYI. You've submitted a couple of edits crediting Frank Mahood as artist - however, he's the jacket designer, which does not imply he's the artist. We do not record designers as artists (unless it's very clear he/she is). That info goes into the notes instead. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 15:09, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Talisman ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532472 The Talisman]; I think we should go ahead and change the publisher to 'Constable'. Also, clarify in the publisher record that it is now an imprint of Hatchet via Little, Brown and Company. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:15, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I think so; best ask a mod first, but remember it's Hachette, not Hatchet. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:52, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Pardon my typo in the above post. If you prefer another mod than me, feel free to solicit one. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:06, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Dude, I don't care at all. I thought it would be best to ask before making a major change like that, as I've been chastised many times for changing stuff. If you're a senior mod go ahead and change it on your own without asking anyone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:16, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Giesbrecht / Geisbrecht ==<br />
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Hi. This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5449569 submission] fixes the title but also changes Jennifer Giesbrecht to Jennifer Geisbrecht, which would be a new author record. The Look Inside for the paperback edition of ''Thirteen: Stories of Transformation'' show it as the former spelling in the TOC, on the back cover, and in the interior (although it does not show the interior ones). Searching for "Geisbrecht" found one hit in the interior but does not show it. Is that spelling change a typo or intentional? It looks like her name is actually "Giesbrecht" (see her [https://jennifergiesbrecht.carrd.co/ website]). If there is a credit in there spelled "Geisbrecht", since the book also has credit(s) with the correct spelling, I think we'd be best off assuming it's a typo, using the correct spelling for the credit, and recording the discrepancy and in-publication sources of each of the spellings in the notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:43, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:You're probably right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:45, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Oh, I see from your later submission that you found it on archive.org. I took a look, and in that copy, it's "Giesbrecht" in the TOC, on the copyright page, and on the back cover, while it's Geisbrecht on the story title page and the running titles. I guess it's safest to document it with the misspelling make a variant. At least there's reasonable provenance that they're the same person.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:56, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Heat ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5459602 this submission]: is there a particular reason why you want to remove the Reginald-3 reference from the External IDs list? In error perhaps? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:18, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: I noticed this edit was on hold, and knew I wouldn't have removed anything (I'm the one who added this edition in the first place), and looking at edit history now, I see RTrace added the Archive.org link, which I tried to add, on 11/02, so I can only assume that my edit, being in the queue for so long, resulted in the LCCN ID I also tried to add conflicting with the Reginald-3 ID he added (he adds a whole lot of those). So the only thing needed now is the LCCN ID, so I'll cancel my old edit and make a new one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! - and yes, the queue is horrendous atm :( [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 13:16, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spectrum 5 ==<br />
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We don't change the title of a PVed book without a verification by the PV when we have an active PV (and we do not change the title without a note when there is a PV at all): they may be holding a slightly different book or they may confirm the change but in all cases, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484232 this] cannot be approved without a check with the verifier. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:59, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: The same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484204 Spectrum 4] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:00, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484207 Spectrum 3]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:01, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Just a suggestion ==<br />
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Rather than 'fixed title' in your moderator notes, consider an explanation of what you are changing. Make it easy for the pv to see what you did. In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5465175 this] example, 'removed series from publication and cover art titles'. Up to you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:00, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Carnage Road ==<br />
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Re: your note to moderator. I agree the date should be April 2012. However, MLB has deemed the 'The Author' as significant by creating a title record so the Pages field must include those in the count. I suggest submitting an edit for the date and notifying MLB. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:13, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Theatre of Timesmiths ==<br />
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You were correct there was a problem with this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50893 publication]. It had the wrong title record. It was originally entered as 'A Theatre of Timesmiths'. When the publication title was changed, the title record was not. The way to fix it was to import the correct title record and remove the incorrect one. Unfortunately, after I fixed the publication, I meant to reject your variant submission, but approved it by mistake (subsequently fixed). Great job finding this. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:17, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Drummer Boy ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5466669 this submission], Amazon says HC, can you provide the source for your edit? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:45, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mischief-Makers ==<br />
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Hello, I have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5472517 your submission] on hold as I couldn't find spec fic elements at cursory glance. Can you provide evidence these belong into the database? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:10, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Shirley Jackson, Joan Aiken, Alan Garner, Richard Parker, Joseph Payne Brennan are all on ISFDB, so should be imported, and I suspect if anyone wants to read the other stories some of them would be genre, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:36, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks, approved. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:29, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Re. Mr Ho ==<br />
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Re. your minor [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5464886 edit] for the story "Mr Ho" in 'Tales from the Fragrant Harbour', I'm trying to establish via the publisher Keith Brooke if "Mr Ho" has a period in the title or not, as this may affect whether we need to variant. (my own copy is thousands of miles away and currently inaccessible). Will get back to you on this soon when I hear from Mr. Brooke. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 07:36, 21 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Keith Brooke has advised me the story appears without a period in his Infinity Plus edition, so I've added a variant that does include a period for your PS edition. Your original edit will need to be rejected. I've also put the stories in your ebook edition in the (very likely) same order as the tp edition; if there are any differences you would need to re-order them. All done, thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 06:58, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shadow Games and Other... ==<br />
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Hi. I think that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5481414 Shadown Games and Other Sinister Stories of Show Business] that you've submitted should be flagged as non-genre (can't find any spec fic elements, but who knows?). Do you agree?<br />
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Also, I tend to discourage adding non-genre titles, even for well known gene authors, but your mileage may vary. Ed Gorman is a corner case where you could argue he is 'above the threshold', so I leave it to you to decide to keep this non-genre(?) title in or not. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:28, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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Same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5481798 Farewell, Fond Dreams]. Didn't check thoroughly, but doesn't seem genre to me. Or is it? (this author definitely shouldn't have any non-genre titles in the database). [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:39, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: All of the contents in Gorman's book are on ISFDB, the full-length novel and the stories; looking into this led me to discover that the novel has both editions on Archive.org so I've added links to each and created a record for the Leisure edition which for some reason was never entered here. The Gordon collection includes his ISFDB poem, a couple of short stories on ISFDB, and a couple of those many Exhibition stories, so yes, it belongs here; I suspect if anyone were to read the rest of that pretentious nonsense they'd probably find that some of the other contents are genre, too. EDIT: I'm the one who entered The Haunted Gay but it got errored out which led to it being a stray, which has only happened to me once before, so I asked about it and was told what to do, but it took so long to get approved that a few days ago somebody named Zapp must have seen my message and fixed it, although he added ASIN which doesn't make sense for such an old book, but whatever. Now the Edit History only shows Zapp, so my discovering and entering this rare book will go uncredited, which has happened to me several times recently. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:59, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: OK, thanks. Both approved (I didn't import contents though. If you could take care of that?) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 03:53, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::I imported into Gorman's book but as I said Giles Gordon's book probably contains other genre SS so someone can read it and then decide what to do, import and add new ones, whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Five Jars ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5486580 your edit] I noticed that you left the US edition at 1922-00-00. Now, that's a bit awkward because the UK edition clearly states "First published October, 1922", but whether that refers to the UK edition only, or both UK and US editions, I wouldn't know. Any suggestion on how to treat this ? Re-date US edition to 1922-10-00 as well, with note that it possibly could have been published at a later date (but still 1922)? (author is British, so presumably the UK edition is leading(?)). Thanks, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:07, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:MagicUnk, the US edition should remain 1922 unless we have a source for the month. If we want to speculate on the date, that can be added to the pub notes, but we shouldn't change the date itself. There is no issue with having the title date be more specific than some of the pub dates if we know the first appearance. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:32, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: OK, will approve. Not sure if username can dig up more details on the pub date of the US edition. ;) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:54, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover Uploading ==<br />
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Regarding your note to moderator [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5487303 here]: The cover uploading did go to the right page. The issue was the previous link was to an image for a {{P|189937|different edition}}. Someone either forgot to remove the image when they cloned the record or reused the image with the incorrect assumption it was the same. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:29, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== J. J. Ace & Nick Aires are (not) alternate names... ==<br />
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I have your submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485961], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485964] on hold as I doubt that J.J. Ace is an alternate name for Nick Aires. The only link between the two I could find is the reference to Andreychuk (by Bill Longley) here: {{a|J. J. Ace}}. No source given. The 'About the Author' in [https://archive.org/details/judgmentday00acej/page/300/mode/2up Judgment Day] reveals that J.J. Ace may be an alternate name for {{a|James Richey}} (or not). Can you dig up more substantial evidence to link both Ace and Aires? If not, I'll remove the legal name from J.J. Ace's record, and move it to the note and state that it is doubtful that Andreychuk is his legal name. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:55, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Hour of the Cyclops ==<br />
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Hi once more. Concerning these submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485522], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485520], statement in the notes of one of the verified publication says 'Exerpt of shoft story "Hour of the Cyclops" '. Nevertheless, you've added the story without the '(excerpt)' modifier. Do you have source/evidence it's not an excerpt, but the actual short story itself? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 09:07, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Because it's the exact same text, starting and ending with the same lines, as the online-readable story on 3LBE, which was its original publication. Whoever entered the "excerpt" note was unaware of that, it seems, and it also seems most people are unaware that they reprinted the story, which used to only be available in the original limited edition, in these later editions, since the book doesn't include the story on the contents page and so websites that list the contents miss it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks, approved. Also, don't forget to check on earlier messages on your talk page (there can be multiple) ;) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Planetfall ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5490780 this submission]: This seems like a story written in Planetfall setting and not a novelization of the game. The front page says "an authentically new adventure in the bestselling world of Planetfall." The description on the back does not sound like the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetfall video game]. Let me know if I'm missing something. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:22, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Hard to say; some Infocom-related sites call it a novelization, like https://yois.if-legends.org/salesinfo.php?id=1265, and http://www.locusmag.com/index/t168.htm and https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/planetfall do, too. But https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/Planetfall says, "Arthur Byron Cover wrote a novel for Planetfall and Stationfall though they're set after the games with similar events happening again", so it's hard to say. Technically it's not and neither is the sequel, so uncheck the novelization boxes, I suppose. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:05, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Editing records with primary verifications. ==<br />
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Another moderator contacted me about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5491318 this submission] that you made to change the title of a publication for which I have a primary verification. As has been mentioned before, our etiquette is to contact the active verfiers '''prior''' to submitting an edit unless it falls under one of the exceptions specified on the verifier's talk page. In my case, that is for adding a missing cover image, or adding notes. Changing the title does not fall into those exceptions. Please refrain from making further edits to records with primary verifications until after you have contacted the active primary verifiers first. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:33, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Well, you didn't enter the title as it appears on the copyright page, Year's Best Weird Fiction, Vol. 1, but you also didn't enter it as it appears on the title page (there's no comma) nor did you enter it as is standard on ISFDB for series anthologies with subtitles, adding a colon between the title and the subtitle, so it's hard to figure out what you intended to do. As you told the mod who contacted you, the title now matches the other books in the series, which is how it should have been entered in the first place. It's easy to say contact PV first, but many of them never answer or they answer with anger at daring to question their work or they say they're not really active anymore and they don't care much about any changes made. In the future I'll be sure to contact you about any and every change since you seem to still be semi-active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::A verifier is not necessarily the person who entered the data and things do occasionally get missed. However, that is the point here. Regardless of the merits of the edit, you should have asked me before you entered it and I know that I've asked you to do so before. I'm sorry if other verifiers responded with anger, but that is no reason to ignore the requirement with respect to all verifiers. I'll also point out that the Last User Activity Date is right next to the indication of verification. Given that I make edits most days, I am puzzled as to why you think I'm only semi-active or why you would have thought I was inactive long enough that you were exempt from the requirement to pre-notify. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:15, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Probably because the last edit of mine you approved was 10 days ago, so I just assumed you'd given up like another mod has recently or you were sick and/or in the hospital for the umpteenth time like several of the other mods. Anyway, a few more problems I've noticed since looking at all of this again: 1) The title date of #1 is earlier than the edition you PV but there's no record for an earlier edition here; 2) The foreign edition is the only book in the "Modern Weird" Series with no series #, format or cover artist, and the other 3 books are listed as 2 PB and a TP, so obviously one of those formats is wrong; 3) Volume 3 HC has no page count, cover artist or contents, and while cover images for both editions are the same and the TP does have a cover artist later volumes in the series have a different cover (#4 also has 2 separate cover artists) for each edition so it's possible that whoever entered 3's HC cover just copy-and-pasted the TP cover without checking to see if that was the right cover, as has happened so many times before with other books ; 4) Volume 4 HC has no ISBN or page count, doesn't have the day entered like the TP does, and neither edition has page numbers entered for the contents; 5) Volume 5 HC has no cover artist, the page counts of each edition are different, and neither edition has page numbers entered for the contents, plus the viewable e-book on Amazon (never entered on ISFDB) says Five, not 5, in the title, so both editions probably have the wrong title. I may have missed something, but these are the problems I see, in case anyone chances across this message and can fix anything I've mentioned. EDIT: While there don't seem to be any eBay copies of this series with anything other than cover photos, I did find this: https://alligatortreegraphics.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/ybwf5.pdf, so Volume 5 clearly should be Five since this is either the TP or HC judging by the fact that the contents page has page numbers on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Your definition of being active in the project as has approved your submissions recently is odd. In the context of who is required to be notified before editing their verified publications you should determine who is an active editor by the Last User Activity Date shown in the publication record. I don't know why you continue to try to find excuses to circumvent this requirement, but this requirement applies any publication verified by an active editor; not just moderators, and certainly not just moderators that have approved your edits recently. Your suppositions about my health are also odd. I don't know why you would assume that I am sick or hospitalized. I have been consistently active on the site for many years, except when traveling, which I always note in the Moderator Availability list at the head of the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]]. There is a much simpler explanation as to why I have not approved any of your edits in the last 10 days. That is because there are many other edits before yours in the queue. Currently, the earliest edit in the queue which is not held, or has some other question preventing its approval is from October 30. Your earliest unheld edit is from November 18. While some moderators may cherry pick which editors they want to approve, I do not. I work from the earliest edits first. There are simply hundreds if not thousands of edits in the queue before yours. As for your questions regarding the Year's Best Weird Fiction series, it sounds like you have some research to do. I do think it's unlikely that anyone with insight happening upon this thread under this heading are quite small. You'd probably have better luck posting a question in [[ISFDB:Verification requests|Verification requests]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:56, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Picture Mommy Dead ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5496327 this submission]. Looking at the Wikipedia article for the film, it does not appear that there are any supernatural elements to the story. Do you have evidence that the novel has speculative elements that would make it eligible for inclusion in the project? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:19, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Oh yes, it's like a Gothic novel in film form, with a young lady seeing hallucinations of the fiery ghost of her dead mommy, bleeding paintings, creepy talking dolls, etc., while her wicked stepmother tries to get her inheritance; at the end she and her dad go insane. So I think it would qualify even if some of those things may only be in her mind; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLN90cNNomw. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:08, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::That description sounds psychological as opposed to supernatural which doesn't qualify under our [[ISFDB:Policy#Definitions of Speculative Fiction|Definitions of Speculative Fiction]]. I'll cross post this on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|Community Portal]] and see if we can get some additional opinions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:08, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Cage ==<br />
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Regarding your comment in the moderator note of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5513407 this submission]: Yes, the canonical title is dated with the date of first appearance even if the first appearance was under an alternate name. The only exception is if a translation appeared before it was published in the original language. We use the first canonical language publication date in those cases.<br />
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By the way, http://www.philsp.com/ links to specific entries are pretty much useless as they are not stable. When they add new data or otherwise make updates to their site, the links end up pointing to different data. I removed it from the notes as it no longer pointed to the the Ray Russell entry. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:43, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Fast Ships, Black Sails ==<br />
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What is the source of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5515393 this date change]? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:00, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:As so often happens, someone, in this case the long-gone/dead Bluesman, submitted and approved the title date in late 2010, but the 2 PV, you and RTrace, had verified the book in 2009 and early 2010 and so nobody ever fixed the book date to match the title date, so I did. If either of you two want to fix all the other cover art/essay/story dates now you can do so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::The month does not appear in the book. Amazon does give October, but it would be better to have a more reliable source. I changed the title record to be just 2008 and rejected the edit. You can re-add the Internet Archive link based on the desire you expressed to do it yourself in our earlier discussion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:52, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Movie Fantastic ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5502186 your edit], it seems to me that ISBN ending in 139 is for the tp edition - see [https://www.ebay.com/itm/274089387617] and [https://archive.org/details/moviefantasticbe00anna/]. A price tag of $2.95 would be consistent with that. ISBN ending in 163 is for HC - see [https://www.abebooks.com/9780517518168/Movie-Fantastic-Beyond-Dream-Machine-0517518163/plp]. Would also mean that OL & OCLC IDs would have to be removed from the hc edition & moved to the tp edition (which doesn't exist yet). Am assuming LCCN is for the hc edition. Could you double-check this makes sense? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 09:47, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:It's been so long since I did this that I don't remember the details, so I just cancelled it. If you want to take it up yourself maybe you can figure out what's what. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Zelig ==<br />
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You contributed the publication [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929400 Zelig]. But I wonder if this has speculative contents. Could you explain why this pub should be selected? The content of the film does not appear to have any speculative elements. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 02:59, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: It was nominated for a Saturn Award for Best Director and a SF Chronicle Award for Dramatic Presentation, it was reviewed by Colin Greenland in genre magazine Imagine (January 1984), etc. The title character is a chameleon who can physically change in order to fit in and moves through history taking on the characteristics of famous figures. It's a fantasy, certainly, even if it probably wasn't marketed that way because of the usual snobbery against genre films. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:32, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. By the way, I read about me in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Shadow_Games_and_Other... here]. I've been working on 'Cleanup Reports' for a while to correct missing data. But I don't check who previously entered data before each edit. Regarding 'The Haunted Gay', the publication was created after 10/24/2016, so the first contributor is not apparent. Sorry for causing annoyance. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:02, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Image ==<br />
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Could you please take another look at [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Clive Barker Author Photo|this discussion]]. There has been a third edit to change the author image and I think we need to reach a consensus rather than continue to churn the image. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:27, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nog's Vision ==<br />
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These submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548247 submission1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548248 submission2] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548249 Submission3] are not correct. <br />
<ul><li>If [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?117165 Brian Hall] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352747 Brian P. Hall] are the same author, then we make Brian P. Hall an alternate name of Brian Hall and variant [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 The Wizard of Maldoone].<br />
<li>If they are not the same author then we make Brian Hall(I) the author of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1823138 Nog's Vision], an alternate name for Brian P. Hall and variant. </ul><br />
Are you able to make a determination? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:02, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I guess you're right. Cancel them and do whatever you need to; I see you just did some other edits for this title, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:27, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: All I did was convert [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 The Wizard of Maldoone] to a chapbook. I was hoping you could determine whether any(all) of the Brian Hall titles are by Brian P. Hall. Will research them? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Books by Hall and P. Hall both published by Paulist Press; also, bio in Brian Hall book calls him Brian P. Hall. So yes, they're the same person. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Donald Glut ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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You had submitted an edit to make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352637 Donald Glut] into a variant name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?2445 Donald F. Glut], which I approved. However, your subsequent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5569807 edit] changes the only credit as "Donald Glut" to "Donald F. Glut" effectively deleting the variant author. You have not indicated any source for the change in credit on the title page of the essay. Did you perhaps intend to make the essay into a variant title under the parent name? If so, please delete the edit and reissue as a make variant. If not, please provide your source for the author credit for the essay. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I rejected it and it says TitleUpdate; I did it again and it says MakeVariant. I think that's what it should have been in the first place. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Hasty for the Dark: Selected Horrors ==<br />
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After accepting your submissions correcting the author attribution for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?632493 Hasty for the Dark: Selected Horrors], I removed all the Adam Nevill titles and imported or added the Adam L. G. Nevill titles. If you intended to do it yourself, I'm sorry. There was no note to moderator letting me know your intentions. Next time, change the pub and title records before importing the contents. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:20, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:What will changing those records first do in terms of the contents? I'm never clear about these kind of details. Would it eliminate some steps afterwards? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:24, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Hopefully you would have submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574809 this import] instead of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5132606 this one] saving the removal step. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:42, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Final Shadows ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574427 This submission], I think you meant to link to the tp edition. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:09, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No, because photo of back cover has HC ISBN and price + other photos are clearly of the HC, too. FantLab just jumbles together info from various sources; nothing they write is reliable, only photos are reliable. By the way, you're one of the mods who seem to like following up on some of the edits you approve with your own edits so I'll mention that the last FantLab photo has a date, September 27, which is supposedly when it was scheduled to come out, in case you can find a publisher's slip photo or something to verify. Of course, that would also mean having to change all the story dates, too, so you may not want to bother. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:21, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree, the photos are of the hc edition. If this is common, I'll watch for it. Pondering on whether we should add a pub note whenever this situation arises. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:00, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Ritual ==<br />
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In edits like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574855 this], what is your preference? Create the variant or leave it for you? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:50, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:If you notice something needs a variant it would be better for you to do it because you're a mod and your edit will be approved immediately while mine will probably sit there at the top of my long list for days/weeks, which is silly for those kinds of small repetitive edits. If you don't notice or don't have the time I or someone else will notice eventually and do it. It's up to you. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:02, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Got it, thanks. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:04, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Bitternest Chronicles ==<br />
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Any thoughts on whether we should change the publication date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325516 here]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:07, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I tend to leave post-2007 ISBN-13 dates alone because e-books made such a mess of determining exact publication dates it's usually hard or impossible to tell when something was actually published. That doesn't mean someone else can't change it if they feel like they're sure when it was actually published. The publisher seems very obscure, although I did find that cool Youtube trailer so apparently at one point they thought they were going to be something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Links in notes ==<br />
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Do you still want me to convert [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?61965 this] to a clickable link? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:01, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please do make any link I provide (there must be thousands by now) clickable if you really want to; I'm an amateur who knows nothing about HTML or hot tags or whatever they call them and just let people cut-and-paste if they want to see the linked whatever. Coincidentally, see my 2 sad attempts at linking to that Bloch boxed set Amazon link you approved a little while ago, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582236, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582241. Also, the Bloch Midnight Pleasures edit you just approved didn't see me move my old note to the bullet list, or whatever you call it, in the notes, which I do when I see any these days because I've learned how to do it, and I also noticed that in the moderator notes I said "Archive.org copy" instead of link; I usually use the word copy when I'm writing about where I got info from in the regular note section. I think it was very late and I was very tired when I was doing a bunch of Bloch edits and wasn't up to my usual standard. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alex Andreev / Alex Andreyev ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5580997 This submission]. I'm sure you saw the website name. Did you consider going the other way? Just asking. I'm okay either way, can always be changed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:54, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: I suppose you're right, but I think then it would make sense to move all the info as Andreyev over to the empty record for Andreev, right? I checked that Metronome book in Google Books and it's Andreyev like ISFDB says. I can't find a photo of the French Tad Williams book with the artist's name on it and that interior art credit as Andreev is also in Google Books but a search couldn't find the art, so what it's really signed is unknown. I was hoping that all credits would really be under one name or the other and somebody just entered them wrong here, but there's definitely at least 1 book as Andreev and 1 as Andreyev so far. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:12, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree, the data needs to be moved if you switch. Submit everything, ping here and I'll approve. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:24, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:26, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robot Trouble ==<br />
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Should we add a note mentioning the 21 page difference between the L-O-C entry and our publication record? Looks like all our publication data came from Locus. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:46, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Determining canonical name ==<br />
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You have pending submissions which would make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?154935 Lucy Finn] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?32990 Savannah Russe] alternate names for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161282 Charlee Ganny]. Assuming they are the same person, shouldn't Savannah Russe be the canonical name? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:35, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:The bio in that stupid Chihuahua Wolf or whatever says Ganny and mentions those other 2 names as pseudonyms, so I think Ganny should be parent, but I don't really care if anyone wants to change that if the rules here, whatever they are, say so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:15, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::I just came across the same edits and have the same question. Our standards are that the canonical name should be the name by which the author is best know in the genre. Generally, that would be the name they are most frequently published as. In this case, most of the author's works are published as by Savannah Russe, which is why that name should be canonical. If Charlee Ganny is the author's legal name, that can be reflected in the Legal Name field in the canonical record. It would also have been helpful if you had added the source for this in the notes to the moderator. I looked at both the provided archive.org link (borrow unavailable) and the Amazon look inside feature and neither have access to the about the author page. Are you working from a physical copy? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::If I was working from a physical copy I would have PV it. I don't know, I just assume that if a complete amateur like me can find all this stuff that all you expert moderators should be able to find it, too, which is probably why sometimes I don't lay out exact details. As I've explained before, for some reason many books that were uploaded on Archive.org only link directly from OL, identifiable by that blue-and-white Preview button, but you can still search inside them even if you can't borrow them (I like searching for the word "the" which appears on most pages) and find something like this, https://archive.org/details/chihuawolftailof0000gann_y0f7/page/138/mode/2up, which explains what's what. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:59, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::If you had added that in the moderator notes in the first place, John and I wouldn't have had to question your source. It's to your own benefit as well. If we aren't spending our time recapitulating research that you've already done, we can spend more time reviewing edits. As to these edits, the canonical name should be Savannah Russe. Please see [[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName|this template]] which explains how we decide what name should be canonical. Unfortunately, your edits are making a lesser know name canonical and they'll have to be rejected. Please resubmit these making Russe the canonical name. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:57, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title Change of One of Multiple Publications with the Same Title ==<br />
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Hi Username<br />
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I'm holding your edit to update the title of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284335 1996 publication] of "Moonchasers and Other Stories" to "Moonchasers & Other Stories". I'm also holding the same change to the various contained title records. The issue with your edit is that there are two publications under the current title. Assuming the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284334 2000 publication] has the "and" as opposed to the ampersand, your edits will result in the 2000 publication containing several incorrect title records. I'm guessing that you did not find evidence that the 2000 pub should be titled with an ampersand, or you would have changed it as well. If you can find such evidence, please change that record as well, and I can approve your edits. If not, you'll need to unmerge the title record for the novel and the cover art, then retitle them, and make the old versions variants of the newly created and changed ones. For the other titles, you can remove them from the 1996 publication, add new content with the correct title, and again make variants after that is done. Please let me know what you find about the 2000 publication, and we'll know how to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:30, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Return to Avalon ==<br />
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Regarding your note to moderator, you are correct in both counts. Submit the change in page count and cover art credit, note whether you want the reviewer to create the alt name and variant, and leave a note for [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Ofearna Ofearna]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:12, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Approved the cover art credit. I assume you will link alt name and create the variant title. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:04, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Heir ==<br />
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Submit the edit to add the series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3150734 here] and I'll approve it. No need to wait for the whole queue to be cleared. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:28, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Duel: Terror Stories by Richard Matheson ==<br />
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While reviewing your updates to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?637552 this publication], I looked at the back cover. I think the team of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25696 Shelley Eshkar] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25679 Jan Uretsky] should be credited for the cover art. Even though the earlier pubs don't credit them, it is the same art for all four. I wouldn't have seen it but for your submissions, so you should go ahead and make the changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:36, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Cover artists are credited on the back flap of the HC. The 2 artists, Shelley E. and Jan U., are credited separately and together on ISFDB for numerous covers, but none as by Eshkar/Uretsky. Not sure if the e-book with a date of January 4th came before the TP/HC, so if anyone can figure out which was the first true edition then artist can be entered, imported to other editions, and artist name made a variant of the individual names. Looking into this online also opened up this mess, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?12265, where the cover art is credited to Eshkar/Uretsky but nobody, not even the many PV, actually entered it that way, even though there are many mentions in notes that that's how it appears in the book, plus Larry Stewart interior art was only entered for the original HC but it's mentioned in several notes for other editions, there's an excerpt in the '99 Tor PB, which is the only copy on Archive.org-I just added a link to it in an edit, one of those weird preview-only copies that only show up if you search on Open Library-which has the date of the HC but almost certainly didn't appear in the HC, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:05, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: For Duel, I would enter the names separately and add an appropriate note to each publication treating the hc as the earliest publication.<br />
:: I don't see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?12265 Factoring Humanity] as a mess.<br />
::* The Tor hc and Orb tp's clearly state the names are shown separately.<br />
::* Both Tor pb's have an appropriate note stating how the credit appears.<br />
::[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:22, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Second printing of Witchcraft ==<br />
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You submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597754 this edit] to add a note to the April 2001 Pinnacle printing printing of ''Witchcraft'' that it is the second printing. I don't see a date listed in the scan of the book. Do you have evidence that the second printing was issued in April 2001? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:03, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:The only copy on eBay that shows a copyright page shows the same number line ending in 2 with the same March 1997 original date; the record here was entered a long time ago by ChrisJ, who had a habit of entering dates from Amazon, I guess, but not leaving any notes. Searching Google shows an Amazon page with an April 1 date and another that says "New Edition (7 June 2001)", but clicking on that link just goes to a page with the same April date. So there seems to be some confusion; possibly this was a reprint of the original, thus the 2 in the number line, and then there was a later edition that actually has a new 2001 date on the copyright page. Who knows? So you may as well cancel it and maybe someone will find out for sure sometime. I noticed that the same author has a phantom publication from 1994 in his record, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Done. Chris is active and has always been responsive to my questions. As it happens, he added a Locus1 verification which is the source for the April 2001 reprint date. I would recommend cloning the record and creating an undated publication record for the second printing with the scan. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:28, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Haunted JARVEE ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5602538 this submission]. The variant title always carries the date of it's first occurrence, not the date of the canonical title when author attribution is the same for both.. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:26, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bob/Robert Chronister ==<br />
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Hi Username<br />
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I'm holding your edits to make Bob Chronister a child name of Robert Chronister. I'm curious as to why you chose Robert as the canonical name. The canonical name should be the name by which the person is best known in the genre. In this case, Bob has 4 credits whereas Robert has only 3. I know it's a close call. Are you aware of additional credits as Robert that you are intending to add? If not, I think we should probably make Bob the canonical name. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:10, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Text Search for "By Bob Chronister" on Archive.org gets 27 hits, "By Robert Chronister" gets 49 hits. So Robert seems a bit more common and it's the longer and likely legal name, so I thought it should be the parent. I wouldn't doubt that there are other genre books out there with cover art by him that await entering here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Neither the legal name nor the longest name matter for purposes of determining the canonical name. See [[Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName|this help template]]. I'm concerned about your analysis. How many of the titles reference the same artwork? How many of those titles are genre as opposed to non-genre? Is the internet archive a good sampling of all the artists genre publications? Are there any records where the artist is credited without the preceding "By". If I had been the one making these edits, I would have made Bob Chronister the canonical name simply because it's slightly more common of the records that we have documented. Which is why I'm questioning this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:19, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm not sure what's best, because I just entered an edit for the 1983 Bantam PB of the 1973 novel Castaways on Long Ago, with art by Bob, but other Bantam books on Archive.org, including the PB of Have a Heart, Cupid Delaney, which only has the HC on ISFDB, say art by Robert. He also did many other Bantam books and went back and forth between first names. So unless someone finds a bibliography or something and counts exactly how many covers were done under each name it's really impossible to say what's the "preferred" name. I'll try to enter that Cupid PB and find another genre book with Robert as the name so it'll be equal, 5-5, and then you won't have to cancel my edits. I'll respond when I'm done if I'm successful. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:58, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Done. I entered Cupid and also Blossom Culp and the Sleep of Death. Bob 5, Robert 5. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I've approved the edits. We can revisit this again if the ratio of the names gets too out of wack. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edit for Dark Cities Underground ==<br />
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You left a note about in your update to {{P|8781|Dark Cities Underground}} regarding the cover artist credit. A merge would not be appropriate in this instance. The COVERART for the {{P|284003|book club edition}} is the same title. If you have evidence that the book club edition is also credited as "Donato" then we could merge. I realize that it probably is credited thus, but I wouldn't want to change what another editor added unless I had seen evidence. You could have accomplished this merge through the advance search feature. However, what you want to do in this case is to import the title record {{T|743977}} into the trade publication and remove {{T|138845}} from the same publication. You'll also need to update the date of the Donato record. These edits can be done in any order, but I'd add an explanation in the moderator notes, so the approving moderator will know what's going on. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:09, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ting Ling ==<br />
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At [[User talk:Zapp#Vernon Bowen]], you mention a Dodd, Mead first edition --a mistake for David McKay(?). I have some notes on all four ''Ting Ling'' T{{t|2474271}} publications (eds/printings/publishers as well as author). Among other things, the Open Library book is wrongly identified (WorldCat and ISFDB) as the 1966 Young Readers Press, but it's the 1969-10 2nd printing.<br />
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I'm not sure whether I should be able to find your submissions in the queue. Its a busy weekend so I'll wait. If you did create a "Dodd, Mead" then as self-approver I should be able to complete a manual merge, in effect.<br />
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I see that Archive.org mis-catalogs the David McKay as 1966 Katonah NY: Young Readers. Do you have any experience with correction of such data? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:04, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Open Library cover discrepancy ==<br />
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For the 7th printing ''Dragon's Milk'' by Susan Fletcher P{{p|198429}}, we have OL front cover image (covers.openlibrary.org) of a copy from publication series "Aladdin Fantasy". Half of my long publ Note concerns this problem. But the book scanned has otherwise identical cover that shows "Aladdin Fiction". Do we/you have a way to use cover images from OL/archive.org ebooks rather than from coveres.openlibrary.org? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:11, 17 March 2023 (EDT)</div>
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== {{T|875023|Tales of Mystery and Revenge}} ==<br />
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How are we to know thet "Day of Vengeance" from 1948 was retitled as "The Bone Bead Necklace" for this collection?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:39, 18 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Archive.org had issues of The Saturday Evening Post which aren't there anymore. "Day of Vengeance" in the Apr 10, 1948 issue concerns a soldier in South Africa cursed by a witch doctor. Both men end up dying, but the curse is passed down over the years to the soldier's relatives. My not having a copy of Langley's 1950 collection makes it difficult to verify, but I find it hard to believe he wrote 2 stories about witch doctors cursing someone (especially since the Post story has an illustration on the 1st page of the witch doctor wearing a bone necklace). I guess someone with access to that 1948 issue and either the 1950 collection or its 1969 reprint (or Medley Macabre where the story was reprinted) will have to compare and verify. I see no mention on the web of these 2 stories being the same, so I'd be happy to be the first to notice this.[[User:Username|Username]]<br />
:: We definitely need more than just what you recollection is.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 07:04, 19 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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So on picclick.co.uk I discovered 1 copy of the 1950 edition, [https://picclick.co.uk/Tales-of-Mystery-and-Revenge-by-Noel-Langley-142458018002.html], and entered the page #'s on ISFDB, but noticed the acknowledgements mention 3 stories, "the Fall of the Fothergays", "Saint Wilbur", and "But a Good Cigar is a Smoke" are credited to the Saturday Evening Post. "...Fothergays" says on philsp.com it's from a 1947 issue of Woman's Journal and the other 2 stories don't have any info online verifying they're from the Post, so I think this bolsters my belief that he retitled some of his stories for book publication. I also found a weird PDF of the 1969 reprint, [http://www.sepel.uerj.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Tales-of-Mistery-and-Revenge-Noel-Langley.pdf], which has different page #'s (which I also entered on ISFDB) but the same acknowledgements. This was one of my very first edits and it still bothers me that I threw away my printout of the story from archive.org shortly before I became an editor, since the archived Post issues were taken down for some reason. There's a site, saturdayeveningpost.com, but they charge a membership fee. I'll have "Day of Vengeance" entered on ISFDB yet! --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:49, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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So I found this, [https://picclick.co.uk/Saturday-Evening-Post-April-10-1948-John-Atherton-174551293028.html]. Picture #2 shows the contents page with "Day of Vengeance" and Picture #11 shows a piece of the story on the right side. So that's proof of the story and some text for someone who has any of the books with "The Bone Bead Necklace" to compare and verify if they're the same. "Day of Vengeance" will be mine! --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:28, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Edits ==<br />
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We appreciate the information you are providing. However, instead of just submitting the info in the moderator notes, please feel free to make the necessary edits. If content needs to be added to a pub, you can edit the pub. If the same story appears under multiple titles, you can variant this to one another. There are links to the help in the welcome message above. Let us know if you have any questions ([[ISFDB:Help desk]] is a good resource for asking). We hope you will continue to contribute. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:32, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for the advice. I variant titled Dat Tay Vao with Dat-Tay-Vao and Mrs Halfbooger's Basement with Mrs. Halfbooger's Basement since those 2 fixes were supposedly title-updated by you according to "My Recent Edits" but weren't actually changed at all. I figured out how to do them myself. However, both reported a Length Mismatch because the correct titles were classed as "short story" but the variants were not classed at all. I guess that's another fix I'll have to do myself for future titles. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Username|contribs]]) .</small><br />
::Sorry, about that. Looks like I hit approve instead of hold. I have been holding edits until I had a chance to make the change. I approved the variants and set the lengths on the variants. I also moved this conversation from my page over to here as, by convention, we keep conversations centralized as it makes it easier to follow. Thanks again for these contributions. I will continue to process the edits on hold. However, if you wish to do them yourselves, you can cancel the existing edit that is just a note and submit the actual change. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:17, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Among the Pictures Are These: ==<br />
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As the ending colon seems likely a database typo, I have [[User_talk:SFJuggler#Among_the_Pictures_Are_These:|asked the verifier]] to double check. I will fix or variant based on the answer. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:04, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:It was a database typo and has been corrected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:03, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Stella Gibbons, a Writer and the Supernatural ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4865069 This merge] would change the title in a verified pub. If you believe All Hallows #32, February 2003 used a comma instead of a subtitle (ISFDB separates subtitles from titles with a colon), you need to post at the verifiers talk page and ask them to double check. Verification means that the person has checked the record against the pub & verified it matches. It's not a perfect system as people are people and we all make errors, but ISFDB etiquette is to check with active verifiers. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:56, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== How Kank Thad Returned to Blur-Esh ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4865426 This edit] will impact verified pubs. As one of the verifiers is active ([[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]]), you will need to check with them. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:10, 25 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== John Taylor ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4866416 this submission]: {{A|John Taylor}} is a UK author and {{A|John Alfred Taylor}} is a US author. They also have different birth dates. These do not seem to be the same person. Is there something I'm missing? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:37, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:I've separated out the stories per The Fiction Mags Index and other sources. There was actually a third author in there also. I've left a single story on {{A|John Taylor}} as I was unable to find anything on that one. Thanks for finding this. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:10, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:: That one story I traced to [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/s313.htm#A4878 John Alfred Taylor].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:53, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Sorry, that was actually an essay, I'll revert it.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:56, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: We better ask the primary verifiers of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98895 Beyond this Horizon] if the two Taylor entries in this book are by the same John Taylor. Contento has them both as by John Alfred Taylor, BTW.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:03, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Good idea. [[User_talk:Stonecreek#John_Taylor|Done]] --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:16, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Stonecreek reports that there is no biographical information in ''Beyond This Horizon'', but the context makes it more likely it was the UK physicist. I have added title notes to document that. Best we can do, I think. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:44, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The W.W. II Pistol ==<br />
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I merged "The W. W. II Pistol" to "The W.W. II Pistol" as the primary verifier is no longer active to ask and the Amazon Look Inside for the verified version shows it without the space. As for first appearances, you can update the date and add a note to title records that appear in verified pubs without asking the verifier. It is only if you change the title or the author credit that verification becomes an issue. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:32, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== David Byron ==<br />
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Given this is a common name, do you know if all the titles at {{A|David Byron}} are from the same person? I would like to ensure we don't have multiple people here before updating. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:59, 31 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Plagiarism ==<br />
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Hi, If you feel -rather: if you can prove- that a given story is a plagiarism, please enter that information -accompanied by links in the <a href="link">information</a> format- in the note field of that particular story and submit that, instead of starting a story in an author change request.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:17, 31 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Username, when someone asks you a question (like above), please answer the question on the wiki. There are multiple moderators and when you put answers in the moderator notes, different people will be reading them which makes it very confusing. In fact, if you are not submitting a change (i.e. only have moderator notes), then it doesn't belong in a database submission. It would be better posted at the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:27, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Pseudonyms / alternate names ==<br />
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Hi, and a belated welcome. I processed your submissions related to alternate names for {{A|Robert Steven Connett}}. They were fine, but one gotcha to be aware of when working with alternate names: Simply establishing one exisiting name as an alternate of a canonical name is not enough to get the bibliographies organized appropriately. For each of the pseudonyms/alternates, you also need to go through the bibliography of titles credited using that name and make them variants of new titles credited to the canonical name. So, for example, where you made {{A|R. S. Connett}} an alternate name of {{A|Robert Steven Connett}}, the cover art title {{T|1296305|I'll Be Damned}} needed to be made a variant of a new parent title with all of the particulars identical, but the "R. S. Connett" credit replaced with "Robert Steven Connett". That gets {{T|2816878|this result}}. (If we already have a record for the same title credited to the canonical name, there is an option link to it instead of creating a new one.)<br />
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If the alternate name relationship already exists, you can tell which titles are missing the variant-to-canonical-parent because they are still visible by default on the alternate name's bibliography page. Once a variant is in place, they are hidden (you can see them by choosing the "View all titles published using this alternate name" link).<br />
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You can make the variants without waiting for the alternate name relationship establishment to be approved, so you can do them at the same time. It makes life easiest on the moderators if you first submit the alternate name edit and next submit the new variant(s) -- then it's easy to see what you're doing and is also easy to see that the moderator doesn't need to go add the variants.<br />
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I took care of these, so just something to keep in mind for the future. If you run into this situation again, give it a try, and if you need any help just ask. Thanks! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:19, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Wake of the Wearwolf (excerpt) spelling ==<br />
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Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/tv_update.cgi?4871401 submission] has been placed on hold. As the work "Wake of the Wearwolf (excerpt)" is in a book that has [[User:Marc Kupper|a primary verifier]], what needs to happen is that you contact him and ask him to verify the spelling of the title in his copy of the work. I've asked Marc to comment here. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:16, 6 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Removing first appearance notes ==<br />
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While these are not necessary, they confirm that what we have as a first appearance of a story is indeed its first and we are not missing earlier editions and/or appearances. So I would not remove them -- I am going to reject all of your edits that are trying to do that. I would not go and add that as a note but if someone had added it after doing the research for it, I will leave it in place. Thanks for the understanding. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:36, 7 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Tales of Britannica Castle ==<br />
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I don't see why you need to variant this title. It is apparently a series, so the other similar titles may be different stories. Only if you know the contents of the stories do you need to worry about creating variants. Clearly, some of them are already variants; I guess I would accept what is already in the data base. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:55, 11 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Horror: The Best of the Year ==<br />
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List the stories you know in the contents and the authors where you don't know the stories in the notes for the pub, with something like "The following authors are known (from what source) to have stories in the anthology, but the titles of their stories are unknown:<br />
". [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 21:00, 11 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon images ==<br />
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When you use Amazon images, like that for "In Flagrant Delight", remove the part between the two underlines, eg. "...images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51UUVNH-hfL._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg" should be changed to "...images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51UUVNH-hfL.jpg". I've corrected a couple for you. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:36, 12 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Importing content into The Phantom Coach and Other Ghost Stories of an Antiquary ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to import content into ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?784537 The Phantom Coach and Other Ghost Stories of an Antiquary]''. The collection is under a variant name, "Augustus Jessopp, D. D." whereas the stories you are importing are under the parent name "Augustus Jessopp". Unless each of the individual stories has a different byline on their title pages, the form of the author's name should match that of the collection. However, that situation is unusual. Let me know if that's actually the case. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Some ancient archived magazine from 1883 I found on Google lists the only story by Jessopp on ISFDB, "An Antiquary's Ghost Story", with the D.D. although ISFDB does not. The collection by him uses the D.D. on the cover so I suppose all stories should be under that name, too. Also, richarddalbyslibrary.com gives more info about this book including an introduction by J.A. Salmonson and a preface by the author.--[[User:Username|Username]] 11:07, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::That's all fine. We just need to have the version of each story reflect the author credit as it appears in the publication where you find it. So four stories you added need to have the author credit as "Augustus Jessopp, D. D.". This means that you can't import [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?802837 this story], because the author credit lacks the "D.D.". What you want to do is just edit the publication adding all four stories manually with the correct credit. Then you need to make each of those stories a variant. For the one that we have without the "D.D.", you do that by Option 1 in the make variant tool and providing the title number of the parent version (802837). For the other three stories, you should use option 2 and create a new title with the parent name without the "D.D". This should also be done for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2753001 title record] for the collection itself. You can also add the Salmonson introduction, though if she is credited as "J. A.", it would be another variant situation as her canonical name is "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1180 Jessica Amanda Salmonson]". Please let me know if you need any help in creating these edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:05, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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Turns out it's a good thing I didn't follow your instructions, not that I understood them anyway. I was going to just put a link in the book's notes to the page on richarddalbyslibrary.com so people could see the contents until I noticed the damn page has a completely different book title in the URL. Apparently that website is just as careless with info as many of the people who edit on ISFDB, who just lazily copy info they find on the web without double-checking other sources to make sure what they're entering is accurate. Searching for another page about the book, I found one on lwcurrey.com that revealed there's only 2 stories in the book and the other stuff is all articles about supernatural phenomena. So I will enter a note about all this in the record for this title.--[[User:Username|Username]] 18:26, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Foreward / Foreword ==<br />
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Hi, I got your meaning in the 2nd round -but it gave me a chance to correct the nine 'Foreword' entries as well.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:37, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Sources ==<br />
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When adding details to an author like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?84861 William Castle], please note the sources you are using either by adding the site to the Web Pages (I added Wiki and IMDB as both confirm your data) or in the Moderator notes - it saves time when the verification is being done. Plus if you add them to the Web pages, people can see where the data came from without needing to go through the Edit history. While Wiki is usually a fast guess, sometimes the sources are more obscure (and as such harder to be found later). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Wikipedia and IMDB are almost as bad as Amazon when it comes to incorrect info, which is saying a lot, so I would never trust anything I read on those sites and copy info from them like so many other editors on here do. I find more reliable sources, usually in archive.org or other obscure places, and I don't link those sites because I have no idea if the site wants to be linked here or not, unlike "Wiki and IMDB" which everyone "borrows" info from.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:57, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: So what were your sources for this edit then? Data with no sources should be rejected. I will start doing that instead of trying to complete your incomplete updates. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:56, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Please note that, as is repeatedly emphasized in [[Help:Screen:NewPub]], editors should explain their sources in the Note field. In addition to the Note fields, which exist in all ISFDB record types (author records, publication records, title records, etc), we also use a number of other ways to indicate the sources of our bibliographic information: primary verifications, secondary verifications, External IDs.<br />
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::: Consider [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185757 this record], whose Note field reads "No publication date stated. The stated copyright date is 1966. Reginald-1 gives the publication year as 1971." It clearly explains what information is stated in the publication and what information was taken from a secondary source, in this case Reginald-1. (Certain old ISFDB records from before ca. 2006 do not state their sources; some of our editors are working on updating them as time permits.)<br />
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::: Please make sure to state your sources going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:02, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Transient verifications and formats ==<br />
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As a verification implies access to the book/magazine you are verifying and there is no note that you are working from a clipped/rebound copy [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819550 here], can you please fill in the format of the magazine? Especially for a transient verification - you may not have access to it later on. If you are working off complete scans or rebound magazine archive (so the format is harder to be determined), add a note to that effect to the publication so that is clear. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:42, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Naught But a Shadow ==<br />
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Fixed the format on your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819551 here]. "pb" is for American style paperbacks; all other paperbacks are "tp". A 5x8 inches paperback will always be a tp. The full help page is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Format here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:51, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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If that's what you think best, that's fine. I was basing it on the fact that every online mention of this book at reputable booksellers like Barnes & Noble refers to it as a paperback and not one calls it a trade paperback or tp except somebody selling a copy on eBay.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:49, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Please read the help page. “Pb” is used for mass market paperbacks. “Tp” is any other paperback. Don’t apply industry terms when we have the terms defined here. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:58, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Subterrene: Tales from the Shadows ==<br />
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When adding books without ISBN, adding the ASIN makes it easier to know what we have (and less likely for a duplicate to be created). I added it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819552 here] and fixed the capitalization: we normalize titles and "from" is never capitalized unless it is the first word in a title or subtitle. Complete capitalization rules are [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Title here], section "Case".<br />
: A quick question - is not using the exact date a decision (you do not think Amazon has that right?) or just an oversight? Thanks for adding the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:56, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
I wouldn't trust info on Amazon if my life depended on it. Their dates are wrong very often, along with much else. A big portion of my work since I started here has been correcting info entered by other editors who lazily copy from Amazon (or locusmag.com or philsp.com or countless other places) without double-checking with other sources. Also, when I enter info often I go back and add more and correct my mistakes later, so not having certain info doesn't mean it won't be added eventually.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dates ==<br />
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I am not sure what you mean with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892390 this note]. When you are merging, the UI allows you to select which date to keep - defaulting always on the earliest. I had never seen it behaving differently and when I just merged, it picked up 1991 - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?896324 here]. But even if it did not, you can change that during the merging so was there a different problem with this merge? <br />
: If not, what browser and OS are you using? Maybe we have a HTML/JS issue somewhere... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: I've merged hundreds of these. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:21, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: According to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi?9 Top ISFDB contributors (Title Merge)], you have merged 60 title records. Are you using multiple user names, by chance? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Upon merging titles recently often the KeepID column will have the date of first publication I didn't choose. I can't say why sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I find it hard to believe it only happens to me, so maybe asking other editors would help. Perhaps the updates to the ISFDB software recently by 1 of the moderators (see: Community Portal) had something to do with it.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:21, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: The sections of the ISFDB software responsible for merging titles haven't been changed in a number of years. There have been no reports of inconsistent behavior, but it's always possible for a new browser-specific issue to pop up. Could you please specify which browser and operating system you are using? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Skeleton Crew, March 1991 ==<br />
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Question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819554] - Archive has a lot more contents than you added. Is it out of scope? If so, there is a decision to be made. If we declare the magazine non-genre, then it does not get added. If we declare it genre (and it looks to me it is), then we can add the incomplete template so people know we need to get back to it and add it. <br />
PS: Careful with prices -- US$ is just $ (and added page numbers - if you rather not use the pages, add piped numbers for order (|1, |2 and so on) or a merge later on will move things around and the stories will show up in all kinds of weird order. Thanks for adding the magazine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:14, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: And on the same magazine - why did it jump from being a UK one to being a US one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2728851 see the prices])? It seems like the covers have both prices so let's stick with one of them in the Price field (UK I would say -it seems more prominent) and add the other in the notes? It looks a bit sloppy otherwise :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
There are over a dozen issues of this magazine that have never been entered on ISFDB at all even though it ended its run in 1991. I found out "The Reploids" by Stephen King was never reprinted in any of his collections but searching online I found out it was reprinted in an issue of this magazine, but only 1 issue had ever been entered by someone on ISFDB, so I began the task of entering the issues myself, only including fiction because most of the non-fiction is outdated interviews. I entered the price in pounds and after moderator accepted my edit I saw they had changed the price to dollars for some reason. So if you have a problem with that speak to them and tell them not to change things without asking the editor if it's Ok with them.--[[User:Username|Username]] 08:57, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Nope. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892491 Here] is your submission. You were the one who added it in Dollars. I approved it, fixed the format and came to ask you why. No one can chan a submission - we can only approve and then edit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:10, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Scott Connors/Scott Conners ==<br />
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Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892595 this submission] solely based on the similar names and the story of the other author or is there something that confirms them as the same person? While it is indeed very likely that they are the same, the name is common enough to allow for ambiguity so a bit more proof is needed - we connect names only when we are sure they are the same. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:25, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4893001 Sam Minier]? While the name is less common, I would still prefer a bit more data (listing somewhere? Bio somewhere?). I am more inclined to approve this one without any additional data than the other one but still... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
Scott Connors is a well-known expert on Clark Ashton Smith and has many non-fiction pieces on the subject, so the Conners record (which is not a story, it's an essay) which is about Smith is by the same guy, with his last name misspelled either in the original publication or by the person who entered the info here. The Minier name is the same person and philsp.com has the Sam Minier info under the Samuel Minier name.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:06, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Missing source ==<br />
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Please specify the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4893507 this edit to Fiend]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:29, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The cover for Guy N. Smith's 1988 novel Fiend is the same as the cover for Year's Best Horror Stories: XIX and is actually titled "Fiend" in Les Edwards' 1990 collection, just like the cover by Edwards for Smith's 1989 novel Mania was re-used for 2 different horror best-of-the-year collections. When the title of the artwork matches the title of the book it came from, that's your source.--[[User:Username|Username]] 17:51, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: And that is why we have "Moderator Notes" field on every record - so you post your sources and explanations there. And in the case of the cover art attribution, the source and attribution should also be always added to the publication note. I will reject your update so you can redo it and add the sources in Notes and allow (if you want) to add more notes to the Moderator notes (these will be visible if someone checks the publication history so they become attached to the book if anyone wonders later how the artist was determined) while the Notes field itself is visible without digging and even for non-logged in users. Thanks for finding this one and let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A little trick with magazines ==<br />
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You do not need to rename and change the date of the EDITOR record before it is merged with its yearly record (as long as an yearly record already exists for this year) - you can use either "Show All Titles" from the editor's author page (for not very active editors) or Advanced Search -> Titles with the exact titles and with "or" and merge directly from one of those screens (make sure you select the date with 00-00 - the site has preference to exact dates within the same year so it will pick the date with a date or month specified by default). Most moderators will merge for you once they approve a rename (as I just did) but that makes it a single step so it does not get missed. Rename and merge is not a problem of course - but less steps makes it less likely for things to get wrong sometimes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:18, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Night the Lights Went Out in Arkham ==<br />
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I've rejected [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4894790 this submission] because we don't link to cover images in the website field. That field is only for sites ''about'' the publication, not for cover image links. For the cover image, you can download it to your computer, and then upload it by following the directions on [[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki|this page]]. I've done that for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?762067 this publication] (including the price). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:47, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Red Scream ==<br />
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Hello my friends. So I was taking a look at this magazine which only ran for 3 issues in 2005. The second issue was only partially filled, so I checked to see if the remaining fiction was on ISFDB. 1 story was there so I imported it, "Suitcase Sam" (although date needed to be changed to magazine's date), but another story was there under a most likely mistakenly entered title. Wrath James White's story in Red Scream, "Razor Blade Fuck Toy", shows a 2014 date on ISFDB and the title "http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2019310", and was translated as "http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2018926" for a 2016 German anthology and reprinted in a 2017 German collection of White's stories. The 2014 date is because it was included in an English-language collection of White's stories, Cupid in Bondage, that's not on ISFDB. The thing is, that German title roughly translates as "Sex Plaything", which seems more like a translation of the original title in Red Scream. I suppose it's possible he wrote a sequel to the original story, but I doubt it. Not being familiar at all with White's work, I humbly ask someone out there who is to help sort this out. If it turns out they're the same story, I can import it into the magazine's contents and then never have to look at those creepy Red Scream covers again. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:16, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Over All ==<br />
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I approved you submission for changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1252537 Over All]. I varianted the author's name to the canonical form and yes, I flagged the story as graphic format. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 13:27, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Incomplete ==<br />
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When the contents of a book is incomplete, please use the template <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> and not some made up string. This way the magazine/book will show up on the incomplete report and if someone has the time and/or the inclination to, they can complete it. The list of all supported templates is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields here]. I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?427466 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:05, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: I didn't put "Contents incomplete" in the notes because I wanted someone else to complete the record. I put it there to remind myself it wasn't finished yet. 1 of the stories, "Scoop", was in an issue of Fantasy Tales but wasn't on ISFDB, which I found odd, and it turns out it's because Samantha Lee's name was misspelled as Amanda Lee, even though a moderator had verified that issue nearly 10 years ago. Nobody noticed that mistake until I did just now. Also, 1 story was published in 2002 under a different name so I still needed to variant the title. Also, several stories were published in women's mags and thus needed notes entered by me to say where they were first published. Also, a couple of story titles in the collection differed slightly from their original titles, so I needed to mention that in the notes. I don't just enter stuff, I actually try to do it properly. In the future I won't put any "contents incomplete" in notes so no one will be bothered entering it themselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:29, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Understood but things happen. You may need to walk away - and then forget when you are back. Or the approval may take awhile. So just use the template so in case you do not come back to it, someone else can. :) That's why we have the template - way too many "I will be back to finish it" cases that never got finished. Don't be surprised if a moderator adds the template on an incomplete edit though - once a story is added, it is the only thing that differentiates an incomplete contents from complete one.<br />
:: As for the author name - discuss the author name change with the PV - if it is credited with a different name in the magazine, it will be approved. If the typo is in the magazine, we will need to variant instead. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:43, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Scoop ==<br />
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Please discuss [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4901012 this change] with the PV as per ISFDB policy. As we go by the credit in the magazine, unless you have a magazine at hand or a scan that can show the spelling, we need to check where the typo is - in our DB or in the magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:47, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Well, there's the fact that her name is spelled properly as Samantha Lee on the front and back cover, and in the contents: [https://archive.org/details/fantasytales20000unse]. The typo's in our DB. God bless --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:01, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: All 3 are irrelevant if it is misspelled on the title page of the story itself. :) Do you happen to have a scan of that? Check with Bob - he probably can pull the magazine and check it. It is most likely a misspelling here indeed but stranger things had happened so we try to double check before we "fix" things. If there was no active PV, I would approve and add a note in the publication for the change. With an active PV, we may have access to the magazine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:06, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: I also encountered a few cases where the author's name or the title proper did differ on the cover, the table of contents and/or the beginning page, and a fraction of them did make it to spell it only on the beginning page different (supposedly erroneous). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:15, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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This link, [https://books.google.com/books/about/Fantasy_Tales_5.html?id=VyafBAAAQBAJ], gives you 2 copies of this issue, including 1 with a limited preview. Clicking on "Scoop" by SAMANTHA Lee in the contents takes you to the title page of the story where you can see that the author is SAMANTHA Lee. Her name is spelled properly everywhere in this issue. The AMANDA Lee name on ISFDB was just a case of a previous editor entering the wrong name. When my name change edit is confirmed by a moderator don't forget to import "Scoop" into SAMANTHA Lee's collection Worse Things Than Spiders. All hail --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:51, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: You know, it took a few minutes to ask the PV and get an [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Fantasy_Tales_V12n5.2C_Autumn_1990 answer]. Update approved. Feel free to import it anywhere it needs to go. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:15, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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The only reason to ask the PV is if I was unable to see a copy of the work in question. There are multiple copies online including the one I linked on Google Books which proved that the name on the title page was really Samantha. I only bother other people when I can't see the evidence for myself, which didn't apply in this case. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:28, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:You should always check with the PV when possible. There may be some cases where they have an undeclared variant copy where the mistake is present, which may differ from the copy you have (in which case, we'd need to make sure both were documented here). Unless they are no longer active, always check with the PV. Always. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:03, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Decadence ==<br />
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If you have the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295007 this one], please add the page place numbers (preceded with |) so the stories are properly ordered in our listing. The ones that were already there have the page orders already, just the ones you just added still need them :) And if by any chance there are real pages numbers, we can use that on all stories of course. Meanwhile I cleaned up the list of authors with unknown stories in the note and added incomplete to make sure we keep track of the missing story. Thanks for adding some of the missing stories. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:15, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Language ==<br />
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Please refrain from using expletives and other coarse language when posting and submitting on ISFDB. It may be normal language for you, but it can create an uncomfortable atmosphere when working with other editors here. There are people from many different backgrounds on ISFDB, and we need to make sure we are considerate in how we interact with them. Please keep your language professional. Thank you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:39, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== ISBNs for books after December 31, 2006 ==<br />
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Please be sure to use ISBN-13s for books published after December 31, 2006. If you only have an ISBN-10, you can use [https://www.isbn.org/ISBN_converter this handy ISBN converter] to find the ISBN-13. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:11, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== El Hijo de las Tinieblas ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4906675 this submission], what was the reason for the significant changes you submitted? There was no note explaining why you were changing the publication dates from 2013 to 1992. That's a huge change, so an explanation is needed. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:15, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:[https://tercerafundacion.net/biblioteca/ver/ficha/1616]; exact date from bookdepository.com; it's a trade paperback, not a paperback as I originally thought. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:18, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Are there, perhaps, two different printings? One in 1992 and one in 2013? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:33, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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All copies on AbeBooks are 1992. The book's publisher, Martinez Roca, ends in 1998 on ISFDB, except for 1 stray literary novel in 2007, so it's unlikely they decided to reprint a cheesy horror novel from 1990 in 2013. It's probably just the usual editor's copy and paste error without checking other sources to verify the info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:45, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Okay, thanks. Approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:37, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Disambiguating author and publisher names ==<br />
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When disambiguating these, please follow these guidelines:<br />
*For the most established one (usually meaning they have the most work, or are the oldest company), leave the name as is.<br />
*For the other people or publishers with the same name, disambiguate them using a Roman numeral in parentheses. For example, we have three publishers with the name "Catalyst Press": [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6451 Catalyst Press], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?74316 Catalyst Press (I)], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?74317 Catalyst Press (II)].<br />
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If you do this, the database will automatically add a line at the top of the listing (whether for a person or a publisher) with links to any others with the same base name: "Note: There are other publishers with the same name: Catalyst Press, Catalyst Press (I)". Please let me know if you have any questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:42, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Offspring ==<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/darkoffspring00newy] Found this anthology which is completely empty on ISFDB was uploaded to archive.org back in 2010. I entered price, cover artist and introduction, but limited preview cuts the second page of stories off. Anyone with an account on archive.org can now enter into ISFDB the contents of this rare book which aren't listed anywhere online as far as I'm aware. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:31, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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I entered them myself. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:47, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Squad D ==<br />
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So this story, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?46121], written in the 1970's, was never included in any of Stephen King's collections and didn't get published until Richard Chizmar's anthology Shivers VIII in 2019, which was oddly published in Germany first. The problem is there's only 1 library with 2 copies of the book on Worldcat, so distribution seems to have been a problem. Scribd.com offers it as a standalone story but requires you to sign up to read the whole thing. However, I discovered if you click the cached version on Google it gives you the whole story. Oddly, the regular website's cached version is a mess of garbled text, while this version, [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RFGP0YSYP1cJ:https://pt.scribd.com/document/23283543/Squad-D&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0], seems to display it properly. So here's an opportunity to read this rare story. I wonder whether I should add that link to the "Squad D" ISFDB record. Any thoughts? --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:34, 11 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Red Scream - 2005 edit ==<br />
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Hi. I had to hard-reject your Red Scream - 2005 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4909155 submission] because that title record is no longer present. It was most likely merged with something else (probably [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2424596 this]) after you submitted it, and the merge was accepted first. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:18, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== "La Belle Dame Sans Merci" / "La Belle Dame Sans Regrets" ==<br />
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Hi. When changing the text of a title, keep in mind that the change affects all publications where the title appears. In the case of your "La Belle Dame Sans Merci" -> "La Belle Dame Sans Regrets", while it is "Regrets" in ''Terminal Frights'', it is "Merci" in ''Deathrealm #28'', so the fix-up needs to be done differently. First, we need to unmerge the title for the publication where it is incorrect, then we need to fix that instance. In researching this, I found they are not the same work, but rather "Regrets" is the sequel to "Merci". See [https://www.amazon.com/INTERMUSINGS-David-Niall-Wilson-ebook/dp/B0084V61ZA this]. So I am going to reject your submission and then separate the two and fix up the one in ''Terminal Frights''. Thanks for catching it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:25, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:This is done. See now [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?83544 La Belle Dame Sans Merci] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2834399 La Belle Dame Sans Regrets]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:12, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Publication (or title) web pages ==<br />
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When updating web pages for a publication or title, please don't remove current links (as you did for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?823713 this one]). Instead, click the "+" button next to ''Web Page 1'' and add a second web page. This helps prevent possible loss of information. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:31, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:I'm the one who entered that Phantasm anthology recently and found that archived page, then I found an Angelfire page still on Google with much the same info, so I replaced it. Always better to use a still extant page rather than an archived one, but if both are acceptable, then both it is. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:51, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::There's not really a limit on the number of webpages that can be entered, so having two is usually better. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:15, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Temple Servant and Other Stories ==<br />
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I've put on hold your edit to replace the Note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2056411 this pub]: "After Morrough's name on the title page is (Abu Nadaar); this is the pen name used when some of these stories were first published in magazines, primarily The New Statesman and London Mercury.". Replacing the note would remove the information about Moreau's other pseudonym "Abu Nadaar", and we currently don't carry that info anywhere else, so I'd suggest adding your new note to it rather than replacing it. Alternatively, so that it's no lost an appropriate place for this info would also be to add a Note to Morrough's biblio page, which you can do by clicking 'Edit Author Data'. You could also add a Note to the Title data for each relevant story, mentioning that it was originally published by as by "Abu Nadaar" in whichever magazine/newspaper it appeared, if you have that information. What do you think? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 04:42, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The verbatim note from The Temple Servant should be entered on ISFDB under that book's record but my note about "Abu Nadaar" can be entered under Morrough's name as "He published some stories under the pen name Abu Nadaar". Info is sketchy since some stories were published as by Nadaar and then reprinted as by Morrough in many old and hard-to-verify publications so a note will suffice. It's not anything major since there's many sites all over the web with the info about his pseudonym. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:34, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks, done. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 14:37, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Artist credit + notes/sources -- ''City Jitters'' ==<br />
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Hi. When you add an artist credit, such as you did for {{P|278761|City Jitters}}, you should identify the source. If it's in the book and you are Primary Verifier, then it's ok not to say anything (although it is helpful to state the form of the credit, even in that case). But if you don't have the book, the secondary source used for the credit should be noted. In researching the submission, I found the art on Les Edwards' [http://www.lesedwards.com/galleries/vintage/city-jitters/1097 website], so I accepted it and added the webpage link in the title record. Please take a moment to add your source to the pub notes, though, or one of us can add a note about its appearing on his site, if you'd rather. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:13, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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See here: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?887726]. The City Jitters cover is the parent of all these covers. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:18, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks for the pointer. I made the variant and added a note about the secondary sources to the pub. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Strange Tales: Volume III ==<br />
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Can you please share your source for the "bound by Biddles in black wibalin cloth stamped in copper" note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?317426 here]? I also fixed the title - we add a : before subtitles (and as the title page is visible on the publisher site, it is very obviously a subtitle indeed) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:11, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Same question and note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296408 Volume 2]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:12, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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That note was already there; I added the title change with Volume being added to the title for all Strange Tales (except Volume V where they just called it Strange Tales V). I don't know what Biddles or wibalin even are nor is that the kind of info I usually add anyway; some previous editor did all that. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:08, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Oops, sorry about that - not sure why I decided the latest update changed these - I think I mixed up notes somewhere. Thanks for fixing these. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:30, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Jason Lives: Friday the 13th, Part IV ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931475 this submission: The cover does not really matter - if the title page says IV, that's what we use - and we add a note explaining the discrepancy. It is most likely a typo in the DB BUT as there is an active Primary verifier, please discuss with them before you change a title. Thanks! I will keep the submission on hold until you clarify the matter with the PV. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:16, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives is a film that came out in 1986 and this was the novelization; here is a webpage, [https://www.ebay.com/p/1359743], with a VI on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:12, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: There is an active PV. They may be holding a book with a mistake on the title page in which case we will want to keep a record of both. The whole point of the primary verification is that someone has a book in hand. Please discuss the change with him. We work as a team here - which means that if there is an active PV who can check the book they verified, we ensure that we do not lose data or a weird variant... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:19, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Castle of Lost Souls ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Do you plan on adding the first edition for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931465 this]? If not, there needs to be added a note to the title record explaining the earlier date (or it will be re-dated again once it pops up on a report for dates mismatch). If yes, I will approve it so you can add the first edition. This is the kind of information that needs to be in the moderator notes so we know how to proceed :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:19, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Previous editor entered American publisher but used cover of original British edition, said format was tp when it was actually pb, entered wrong price, etc. I added all proper info for American edition; anyone who wants to enter original British edition can do so if they can find correct info; the cover that I replaced I'm assuming is the British one. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:21, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Which is ok. But I asked if you plan to add the British edition now that you sorted out the American one? If not, we need a note about the provenance of the date on the title record. I assume this is a no so I will approve and finish your edit by adding the needed note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:24, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Done. The note is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?27670 here]. This will ensure that the title does not re-dated to match its only edition (we have a report on that and it will get redated without a note sooner or later - thus the questions above). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:27, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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Here's something I just noticed while sorting this out; the price previous editor entered, $2.95, was technically correct because the cover for the American edition available on Amazon says so. However, [https://gamebooks.org/Item/42/Show] clearly shows a cover with $2.50 as the price but the same ISBN so I assume that's the original edition. What printing the $2.95 version was is anyone's guess since they reprinted these gamebooks endlessly. Another slight difference is the $2.50 cover says "A Berkley/Pacer book" while the $2.95 one only says "Berkley/Pacer". So my record for the American edition will be correct if common $2.95 cover I carelessly added is replaced with rare $2.50 cover to match price on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:01, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Sounds like a later printing then. In such case, clone the 2.50 book to add a new 2.95 one, add "Unknown later printing" in the notes and date of 0000-00-00 and a note on how exactly the publisher is credited (the Publisher field will have the same value). Then we have both covers and both prices and if someone every finds the 2.95 book, we can get more details about it. I do not like stubs when we have a choice but a stub record is better than none and we know the 2.95 exists - so let's start building it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Case of Need ==<br />
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The only source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4934934 this book] is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Case_of_Need Wikipedia]. There is no price in the source. Where is the price coming from? We need to add the source of it to the notes. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:22, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: [https://www.biblio.com/book-collecting/by-year/mystery-books/1960-1969]; [http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/447768635/]<br />
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:: Approved and updated the notes to indicate the source. Please add source notes for any piece of information you add that is not from a book you are verifying. That minimizes the chance of mistakes and ensures that our data is properly sourced. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:23, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Long After Dark ==<br />
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Changing the date alone like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935202 this] is not that helpful. Someone is just going to come along later and change it back thinking it's an error since it doesn't match the pubs and there is no other data provided. At a minimum, please provide a title note stating something like "Originally published in 2010 as a limited edition hardcover". But better, enter the missing edition so we actually have a record for it. See {{P|827946|here}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:42, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I come across records all the time which have 1 or more editions entered but the date at the top is earlier than any of them, but there's no note mentioning anything about it. I've created several records for original editions because the whole book is on archive.org or elsewhere, but those Delirium hardcover limited editions are rare as heck so I don't feel comfortable entering an entire record based on a few pictures and possibly inaccurate info from sellers on eBay. Entering an earlier date just lets people know there was one; if anyone owns a copy they can enter specific info on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:50, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::The existence of problematic records does not mean we should create more. Title dates should match the first publication in the database or have information provided. We have a cleanup report to catch and fix them, but there is a lot of stuff to do on the database. It is easy enough to add a title explaining why there is an earlier date. And given your tendency to complain about "lazy editors", I am surprised you would object to doing so. As for eBay, when it has a picture of the title and copyright pages, that is more than sufficient to create the stub pub record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:31, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The King of America ==<br />
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What is the source for the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937228 here]? Unless you really enjoy needing to answer on your Talk page, you can start adding notes inside of the notes field: "Price from cover/newspaper records/wherever applies" showing where you found the price". If it is the cover here, it is so blurry that it is not visible so... <br />
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If you do not start adding notes, all requests like this one will end up in the same way - with someone asking you for source, you responding, then someone approving and then editing to add a note... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:01, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf] is where. I enter a mountain of info on ISFDB at a rapid pace and don't enter anything unless I'm sure; I also go back over my previous approved edits and find new info I didn't enter/fix occasional mistakes. The price isn't blurry if you go to that PDF and magnify to 500%, then it's clear. Among my many different areas of interest since I became an editor is fixing/adding info for all these "adult" novels. Whichever editors entered info over the many years before I started left out many easily found covers, different editions, Catalog ID #'s, prices, etc. and made many mistakes which I'm fixing. It's a tangled mess but I'm doing my usual good job. What I find interesting is many entries have no notes for anything that was entered or where they found the info. So asking me to verify how I discovered the price for a 50-year-old porn novel is amusing. If you want to enter the fact that the price was verified by magnifying a photo on a porn PDF, feel free. Reading through these message boards and seeing the childish arguing and name-calling between moderators and other editors is not my thing. I'm all about the books. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:23, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have no issues with you being right. But all of this information that is wrong was added by someone who thought they were right - possibly from a faulty source, possibly by making a mistake while copying. It is a community effort - in a DB of your own, your word is enough; here we try to verify. Thus the "please list your sources in the notes". That way someone can verify later on - and 5 years from now we do not have someone else in the same boat you are in now - looking at data which we may have as well invented because there is no information where it comes from. Had this rule (list your sources unless you are PVing -- when the source is the book) been followed consistently through the years, we would not have that much to fix now. As you had seen, the older the record, the more likely it is that there are no sources at all... Allowing more of the information to go in the DB without sources multiplies the problems. So we are trying to ensure that we have sources now - for everything.<br />
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:: Catalog ID is a new field - it did not exist until ~5 years ago. There are a few more of these fields on the page - so unless the editor bothered to add the info into the notes, there was no space for the information. The covers are now easy to find, 15 years ago it was not that easy :) Some of these records are really really old. <br />
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:: I will be very honest here - if you do not add notes and just keep submitting edits with no sources, it increases the time for a moderator to process your edit (because they need to come ask you or do all the digging you did on their own, eventually finding the same and then approve and update after you) so your submissions will get backed up more and more. The cleaner and more complete your edits are, the easier to process, the faster they will get cleared. If all you care is the data and the books, I expect that you would like to ensure that the data is actually sourced properly so someone does not undo your work based on what they consider a definitive source (which disagrees with what you added)? :) <br />
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:: I will approve and fix the note for this one now. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:40, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?601551 done]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:44, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== In Flagrant Delight ==<br />
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The price of the US edition was on the cover so I just updated the notes with that post approval but where is the one for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937063 the UK one] coming from? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:18, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937180 Satyr Trek] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937182 The Erotic Spectacles] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937183 The Power and the Pain]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:39, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.amazon.com/Flagrant-Delight-Brian-McNaughton/dp/0700414800]; Satyr Trek's price is in upper right of front cover; [https://www.amazon.com/Erotic-Spectacles-Genghis-Cohen/dp/0700414703]; [https://www.amazon.com/power-pain-Charles-Platt/dp/0700414207]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:32, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated on all of these. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:39, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Frankenstein '69 ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937067 this one].<br />
* The ISBN is incomplete. The correct one is 0700412603. Easy to fix BUT there was a bigger problem<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/Frankenstein-69-Ed-Martin/dp/0700412603 Amazon.com] claims 1969 but [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Frankenstein-69-Ed-Martin/dp/0700412603 Amazon UK] says 1972. Amazon can be a real pain for older books like this one and their dates are anything but reliable especially on import editions. [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/display.do?tabs=moreTab&ct=display&fn=search&doc=BLL01002399343&indx=1&recIds=BLL01002399343&recIdxs=0&elementId=0&renderMode=poppedOut&displayMode=full&frbrVersion=&vid=BLVU1&dscnt=0&vl(freeText0)=0700412603&dstmp=1615839843736 The British library] agrees with Amazon UK. So does [https://www.worldcat.org/title/frankenstein-69/oclc/877216035 OCLC]. So I approved your submission but fixed the sources and the date. Please be careful with the Amazons - the US one is bad for UK dates and vice versa regardless of age (and the older the book, the less reliable they get).<br />
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The result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828073 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:29, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: <nods head vigorously> At one point I spent a significant amount of time working with Amazon's pre-1995 records. Some of them were extremely precise, e.g. some 1960s records had the correct date of publication stated. Others were off by multiple years. I suspect that at some point Amazon imported multiple third party databases (of variable quality) into their main system. We have to be extra careful with their old data because there is no way of telling where this or that record originally came from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:37, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And it is even worse for data from across the pond (in either direction). The somewhat good news is that most of the books from the 60s and 70s have BL records in UK if they belong there and OCLC ones for both US and UK books so that can help figure things out... Goodreads can be also good but a lot of their data is imported from Amazon and not cleaned up later so some of it has the same issues as Amazon. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:49, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Night Fear ==<br />
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The only sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937275 this] are the various verifications and external IDs. None of these have the page numbers. We need a source for them. I know you have a link somewhere - can you please share? And we need to note if it is based on table of contents or based on checking each title page one by one (a lot of books have discrepancies). I will approve and update but I need to know where these numbers are coming from... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:16, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.deadsouls.co.nz/shop/roy-torgeson-ed-frank-belknap-long-night-fear/]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:17, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:21, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== If God Wanted Us to Travel ... ==<br />
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Source for the month in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936820 this update]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:49, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Same question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936641 King, of the Khyber Rifles]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/ifgodwantedustot00bren]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
[http://www.locusmag.com/index/b347.htm]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:07, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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== The Earthquake Machine ==<br />
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Thanks for finding the artist [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?454505 here] but next time can you please also update the note because they way you left the book was with an artist added, no source for the artist and a note inside that there is not credit in the book and that the signature is unreadable... which is a contradiction and throws into question both the notes and the artist credit. Fixed the note after approval. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:54, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Assault on a Queen ==<br />
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Can you be a bit more precise about the source [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936723 here]? This is like saying "google it". :) Exact link will be helpful. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:57, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/8325/jack-finney/assault-on-a-queen]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:04, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and a note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Alabaster Hand ==<br />
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Source for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935814 page numbers]? And if it is a scan of the contents page, we should be able to resolve the notes issue as well (on what is included from the introductions and so on)... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:19, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And for the intro and the limitation number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935790 Mist and Other Ghost Stories] and the complete contents in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935785 the import]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/a-n-l-munby-the-alabaster-hand-and-other-ghost-stories-sundial-supernatural-press-2013-25-300?variant=8795937276003]<br />
[https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/richmal-crompton-mist-and-other-ghost-stories-sundial-supernatural-2015-limited-edition-265?variant=8885791916131]<br />
--[[User:Username|Username]] 01:41, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:08, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Her Magic Spell ==<br />
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I suspect that source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935862 this] is the cover as for the rest of these but as we do not have a cover, I need a visible source somewhere... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:27, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:43, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:10, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bride of Satan ==<br />
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Source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935875 this price]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:42, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:44, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:11, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Astrosex ==<br />
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Month source [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936301 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:51, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936303 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:52, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936304 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936305 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And a few more: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936306 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936307 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:55, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:18, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: These are approved and notes added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:35, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Keeper of the Children ==<br />
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Price source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936244 this edit]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:03, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936250 this one]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:03, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://picclick.com/Keeper-of-the-Children-by-William-H-Hallahan-233031460644.html]; [https://picclick.com/William-Hallahan-The-Search-For-Joseph-Tully-402035732963.html]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:16, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:38, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Halloween Horrors ==<br />
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Link to the contents page you unearthed for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936899 this]? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://fantlab.ru/edition185627]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:26, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: External ID and note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:41, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Masques ==<br />
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Source for the price of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828162 this one]? Fantlab does not have it (neither it have the back flap so I suspect you have the jacket somewhere and the price is from there?) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:28, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://picclick.com/Bill-Pronzini-MASQUES-A-NOVEL-OF-401742298339.html]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:31, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note added and external ID put in place. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:43, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Surrounded ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936013 Source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:50, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And more of these: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936007 price?], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936019 price?], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936031 price?] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558832 this one]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:09, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: [https://archive.org/details/cinemaoffantasti00stei]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:51, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Please remember to specify your sources when creating submissions. Not only does the lack of sources create more work for the reviewing moderator, but, more likely than not, it also creates more work for you because you'll need to dig them up again in order to respond to moderator queries.<br />
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:::: In addition, you are a relatively new contributor, so moderators are more likely to make allowances, but eventually they will become less likely to work on your submissions, which will affect the approval time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:44, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(unident) OK - that link cleared [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936031 Cinema of the Fantastic]. What about the other 4? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/faceoffearnove00coff]; [https://archive.org/details/surrounded00coff]; [https://archive.org/details/bloodrisk00coff_0]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And that leaves [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558832 The Sweat of Fear] ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935960 originally] which got approved by mistake last night but I did not reverse as I am sure you have a source)? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:16, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/sweatoffear00denn]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: ALl updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:31, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Paul Durst 1986/1990 ==<br />
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Mysteryfile.com may say 1990, it also has a [http://mysteryfile.com/blog/?p=33611#comment-7081383 letter by his daughter] that states "My father actually was buried on the day the Challenger blew up in 1986 in January, I had come from the States to his funeral.".--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:15, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Odd; makes me wonder where they got 1990 from and why they didn't read that letter themselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:26, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Rainbird Pattern ==<br />
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And the source for the price and the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940398 this one]? Also - looking at the cover, are you sure this artist has an artist credit and not just a designed credit (if the latter, he goes only in the notes). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:06, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The cover I provided has an openlibrary.org URL which is a project of Internet Archive, so a cover with their name in the URL usually links to a book on archive.org except when there's no copy available. That's where the price came from on the front flap and it also says "JACKET BY" Wendell Minor. It doesn't say design otherwise I wouldn't have entered it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:45, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: If you are using OpenLibrary for anything BUT the cover image, it needs to be noted in the Notes and in the external IDs. Plus tracking down the Open Library ID from the cover ID is as easy as finding the Amazon record from the Amazon cover IDs. If you cannot be bothered to post the link or the ID at least in the moderator notes and preferably in the proper places, you are asking the handling moderator to do all the research again - and your submissions will stay on the board for days and possibly weeks until someone has time to do all the work and verifications needed. If you start adding notes or at least all the links, it will go a lot smoother.<br />
:: In this case, the OL ID is OL4789610W which has absolutely nothing to do with the image ID: 10015820-L. You should not expect people to jump through 100 sites to find the correct books and images and sites you are using. <br />
:: Can you share where you saw the front flap? (Archive.org - got it. Will update) "Jacket By" means design usually on non-pictorial covers so I will change the notes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: OK... [https://archive.org/details/rainbirdpattern00cann/page/n1/mode/2up here is the book] on archive.org. Where exactly do you see "Jacket by Wendell Minor"? It is not on the copyright page, the title page on the front flap or the covers. And the back flap is not visible. Where did you see it? I may have missed it although I looked 3 times so can you point me to it? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:10, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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As I explained in 1 of my previous successes, I found that if you use the search icon (magnifying glass) you can access anything in any book even if you don't have an account at archive.org. That's how I find so many things no one else can. If you type "jacket", it gives 9 entries, the last of which takes you to the BACK FLAP where it says "JACKET BY WENDELL MINOR". --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And you could have explained that in the notes. Again - unless you link to your sources (and/or explain where they are so they are easily found), you are asking someone to redo your work. Which someone will eventually - but it takes a lot longer than it should. The book itself does not contain the back flap UNTIL you search with a specific term. Figuring out the term and using it takes time and effort. It may be easy for you because you do it on every book but people are not in your head. In this case just posting the URL for the search [https://archive.org/details/rainbirdpattern00cann/page/248/mode/2up?q=flap this one] with a (cover credit from backflap) note would have been enough. Takes about 2 seconds and saves the handling moderator of trying to connect the dots (and needing to ask you on every update). The more details you post in the notes/moderator notes, the easier it will be to work your submissions and the more likely is that they are not left on the board for long periods of time. Note updated! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:38, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tarzan of the Movies: A Pictorial History of More Than Fifty Years of Edgar Rice Burroughs' Legendary Hero ==<br />
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Price source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940610 this one]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:46, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/tarzanofmovies00esso]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:05, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No flaps visible. Nor is the price inside of the book (copyright page or contents or any other visible pages). The search for flap, price, $ or exact price does not find it either. So where is the price coming from? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:17, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tarzan-of-the-Movies-Hardcover-Book-1968-Gabe-Essoe-/293833386148]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:25, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note edited, source added in the moderator notes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:29, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Harlot Killer ==<br />
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The cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940655 of our book] clearly shows 25 cents. The cover [https://picclick.com/The-Harlot-Killer-Jack-the-Ripper-essays-book-193627208436.html#&gid=1&pid=1 in your source] shows clearly 35 cents. Which will make your source a later unindentified printing (not all publishers are nice enough to enumerate printings on their copyright pages). I approved the change for the page numbers but pulled back the price change (and added a note for the provenance of the numbers) and cloned for the 0.35 copy. If you can find a cover for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828729 0.35 book], that will be useful. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Typos in text fields ==<br />
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When you are correcting a typo in a text field such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940753 here], put in the moderator notes either the replacement (Frederic -> Fredric) or just the word you are fixing (typo: Frederic). That helps seeing the change quickly when reviewing your change and it also remains in the record moderator notes if someone wants to find out what you changed at some later point. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:27, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Exit to Eden ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940756 Price source?]: "price found many places online" is the same as saying "google it". Please point one place where you found it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:31, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/05/24/Books/3347485755200/]; [https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Exit-Eden-Rampling-Anne-Rice-Arbor/7744968713/bd]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 06:46, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Orphan ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940591 Price source?] If it is the cover by any chance, please provide a link to a better cover - there is something in the top right corner but this image is unreadable. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:35, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/774984696/the-orphan-by-samantha-mellors-published?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:19, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Delectus Books ==<br />
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Source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940875 this]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:06, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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My previous edit on pending list for Delectus edition of Wolf in the Garden has a link to It Goes on the Shelf as explained in the note, which is where the address is. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:25, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Different moderators can handle different edits. Each edit should have a source. I am not going to chase another note somewhere so please provide a source. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:49, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://fanac.org/fanzines/IGOTS/igotsnew15.htm]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:52, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated and year added to the note. Publishers move in 25 years so dating our addresses helps :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:18, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Of Pigs and Spiders ==<br />
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Not sure who you are talking to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940268 here] (you know that there is more than one moderator and only the one handling the submission usually sees the note, right?) but it would have taken a lot less time to actually link the sources you are using instead of complaining about a previous note. Please share your sources for all the changes you are making in this submission. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:11, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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It says locusmag.com in my note; that's where the info came from. I was responding to the usual rude, angry note from Dirk, who has been rude and angry since my start here last December. One of my very first edits was greeted with a rude reply from him, so it's nothing new. His rudeness spurred me to look for more info, which led me to locusmag.com and a bunch of new stuff which I entered here, so I thanked him for that. Sarcasm TRUMPs rudeness. I saw in another discussion he had with someone else that he was complaining about how much work he has to do and how ISFDB needs more moderators and how he was thinking of giving up and just reading a book instead, so maybe he's burnt out. I notice from their bios that many moderators here are seniors so perhaps younger, more enthusiastic moderators who are familiar with books written in the last 30 years are needed. If you really needed to know who I was talking to you could've looked at my rejected edits and seen his name there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:42, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Link to the exact place on the site you are using as source? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:53, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr1999/t2.htm#A60]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:03, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: The March date comes from Amazon.com (among other sources) - which may or may not be valid (1999 is old enough so I do not trust them too much on dates). Are we absolutely sure that this August release is not just the signed edition? Let me do some more digging before I approve to see if it seems like a single run of 333 was ever issued. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:28, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Teacher's Pet ==<br />
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The price is on the front flap. Where is the artist credited on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4941642 this one]? The back flap is not visible so if it is there, I need your search criteria that makes it visible. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:49, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/teacherspet00tayl]; search "jacket". --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:46, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:11, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Old Australian currency (pre 14 February 1966) ==<br />
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Hi, I altered the price to 4/9 and mentioned in the notes that the price is in Australian shillings and pences.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 17:47, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Starlog covers ==<br />
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Per ISFDB standards, we don't enter covers are cover credits for non-genre magazines unless the cover illustrates a speculative fiction story. I have started [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Starlog|a discussion]] on the community portal regarding the status of {{S|33627|Starlog}}. As it had a film focus and not a written speculative fiction focus, it would not seem to be considered genre by ISFDB standards. You are welcome to chime in there is you have an opinion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:40, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hands of Cain ==<br />
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Hi, regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_new.cgi?4947992 The Hands of Cain]: Why 1976? especially when you want to assign a price of £0.25....Inflation was rampant in the UK during those days, so £0.25 for 1976 is definitely off. Would you like me to change the date to 0000-00-00, meaning 'unknown'?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:07, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Worldcat link gives year as 1976 and gives page count, so those can stay, but no price so just leave that blank. If anyone checks a physical copy, info can be updated. The unique cover for this edition is the main point of interest. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:19, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Picclick.com / Contento in notes ==<br />
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Hi, picclick.com has no stable links, just like Contento/Fiction Mags Index, only worse: they go went the book is sold. Contento keeps adding content in between, so info keeps shifting page.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:25, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bride of Darkness ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953431 Source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:32, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Source is bright black .50 at top of cover, easily seen without magnifying. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:25, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: What may be easily visible for you on your monitor may not be the case for someone with vision issues or smaller/older screens. And images disappear - sometimes whole sites fall down, sometimes single images disappear due to mistakes or mishaps. This is why it is important to add notes explaining where the data is from in the Notes so even if someone cannot see the image for one reason or another, they can track the data (and check it on their copy if they have it). <br />
:: Approved and note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:27, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Unfortunately, this is true even with Amazon-hosted images, especially more recently. Amazon used to preserve Web pages for superseded editions, but it irritated authors, publishers and readers alike, so eventually they changed their policy. I don't know how it works internally on their end, but I have seen images replaced after the fact. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:18, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: At least for now the /I/ images seem to stay stable - although you are right that Amazon is now updating the old pages on reissue and linking to a different /I/ image - making a mess of any old records. Although I worry sometimes that they may decide to start deleting /I/ images that are not connected anywhere anymore - they are a bookseller after all, historical covers don’t really interest them (although I hope the marketplace is enough of a reason for them not to delete them). We will cross that bridge when/if we get to it (one hopes it never happens). In all cases, adding text notes on where the data is exactly is important. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:36, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Adult Version of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4951557 source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:56, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Source is top left cover where it says Calga Publishers; it's blurry but legible, and all other Calga books on ISFDB are under same name. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:20, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Roaring Tower and Other Short Stories ==<br />
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Sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4951521 these changes]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:57, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: pages: https://www.worldcat.org/title/roaring-tower-and-other-short-stories/oclc/776781492; first library on Worldcat's page, NYPL, has info about stories' pub. history; price: https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1930-01-01/1939-12-31?basicsearch=%22stella%20gibbons%22&phrasesearch=stella%20gibbons&newspapertitle=the%2Bsphere (also, ISFDB says "Short Stories" in title but cover says "Stories"; title page needed to verify). --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:10, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: That leaves only "hc". Is that an assumption based on the cover and price? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:02, 7 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== A Shoal of Time ==<br />
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Which "Hamilton's 1972 collection" for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4954164 this update]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:10, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: There's only 1 1972 collection on Hamilton's ISFDB page: FLIES ON THE WALL. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:13, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which does not necessarily mean that this is the only Hamilton 1972 collection - we keep finding editions and books even for authors we think we have everything cataloged for. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:32, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghost Flight ==<br />
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What is the source of the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4952028 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:15, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Source is the price printed on the cover, left side; Amazon page allows you to magnify and it clearly says $2.25. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:16, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Exorcist cover artist ==<br />
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You submitted a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4952510 name change] for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2055023 cover artist] for a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585356 primary-verified copy of a book], but you didn't contact the PV to verify the spelling of the cover artist. Please contact them to verify the spelling of the artist's name as found in the copy of the book they have. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:34, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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PV hasn't contributed since 2017. Also, ISBN-10 on ISFDB entered verbatim into openlibrary.org finds only a 1987 Bantam book named Sweeny's Honor, and entering it on Google verbatim brings up exactly 1 site, this one; entering it without dashes brings up a few pages of mostly Sweeny's Honor, but also a Worldcat page for the Exorcist and a Google Books Exorcist copy, plus sites that say "Sweeny's Honor" and "William Peter Blatty" together. So not only is artist name likely misspelled by the PV and art on this edition probably isn't even by him anyway but the ISBN is probably wrong or mixed up, too. So I've moved on to a hundred other things since I made this edit and now leave it up to you whether to do anything to correct these problems. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:08, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:That's not the way things work here. We are not here to do everything for you. While we appreciate your contributions, we need to to contribute things within the rules of the site. Please post a note about this to the PV's talk page, and (since you say they haven't contributed since 2017) to the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]]. We can't be making changes just because you ''think'' the PV ''might'' have made a mistake. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:06, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Encyclopaedia of Horror ==<br />
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I approved your cover scan of this pub. Looking at the ISBN in bookfinder.com, most of the copies of the book for sale are in Europe and the sellers seem consistent in maintaining the given spelling of Encyclopaedia. The cover shown is the same as you proposed. I suspect that the book was published in both the U.S. and G.B., with the spelling depending on the country where published. Maybe the cover with the Brit spelling is available somewhere, but I haven't found it. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:12, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Rootabaga Stories ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960928 this submission]: When adding Internet Archive links, please ensure they are for the same edition and printing. The record you are editing is for the first printing, but the Internet Archive scan is of the fifth printing (as can be seen on the copyright page). You are welcome to clone the publication and make a record for the fifth printing. You can then add the Internet Archive link to that record. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:00, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cartoon: "By George, Kincaid, we we're right!" ==<br />
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Hello, I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953361 your edit] on hold for a moment as I'm wondering if you can you confirm this isn't a typo in the magazine? If it is, it should stay as-is, and a note added to clarify.If you don't have a reference at hand, it's good practice to check in with the primary verifiers who can confirm. Thank you, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:42, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/Amazing_Stories_v31n10_1957-10_cape1736]; page 82 shows the correct spelling. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:59, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Perfect! Thank you, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:03, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Ghosties and Ghoulies'' and ''Tomorrow, Inv.'' page numbers ==<br />
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Hi. What's the source of the page numbers for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953811 this submission] (''Ghosties and Ghoulies'')? There's no comment, and you didn't make yourself a verifier. I don't see anything in any of the linked secondary sources. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:47, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Same question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953811 this submission] (''Tomorrow, Inc.''). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:50, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/edition135000; https://fantlab.ru/edition267370. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sources II ==<br />
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Hi. When you add data from a secondary source, be sure to adjust the publication notes to reflect the source of the data. Information in notes to the moderator is helpful to the person processing the submission, but those do not become part of the record itself. So, for example, while making the publication date on {{P|588303|Konga}} more specific based on the picture you found on picclick is fine -- and giving me a pointer in the moderator notes was indeed helpful -- the source still needs to be documented in the publication record. I have done that in this case, so just something to keep in mind for future submissions. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:00, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantlab ==<br />
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FYI, the "External IDs" feature (on publications) knows about Fantlab. So if you find a relevant entry on Fantlab, you can link to it using their edition number. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:26, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: It's a Russian-language site, so as a proud American I don't feel comfortable linking to them; I enter info here for people to see. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: One thing to note is that we are a strictly bibliographic site. As such, we do not let our individual political, national, ethnic, ideological and other non-bibliographic preferences affect what we do here. Even our data acquisition robot, [[User:Fixer]], has reluctantly agreed not to pursue his AI supremacy agenda here :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:38, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Also, while they are a valuable source of info their quality control is awful (like many other sites); frequently info they write themselves is wrong, so I only enter info from actual photos of the books or if that's not possible I double-check their written info with at least 1 other site to make sure they got it right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: You cannot have it both ways: If you are using them, you need to give them credit for the information (covers and/or data) and here, that means using the external ID and/or the templates (if you are using other edition's data). If you are not comfortable linking to them because of your nationality, then stop using them and stop plagiarizing their data with no attribution. <br />
:: This behavior is against the site's (Fantlab's) rules: "Любое использование материалов сайта допускается только с указанием активной ссылки на источник." which roughly translates as "Site materials can be used only if an active link to the source is included." If you are not willing to conform to their rules, you should NOT use any of their data. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:21, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: It all comes down to the same basic principle which has been repeatedly mentioned on this Talk page and elsewhere -- we need to state our sources. When adding data from FantLab, OCLC or another secondary source, we need to mention which FantLab/OCLC/etc record number the data comes from.<br />
::: If you find that a particular secondary source is not always reliable and use another secondary source to double-check the data, that's perfectly fine, but it needs to be documented in Notes. For example, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430831 this publication record], which says "Price stamped on the front flap of the original dust jacket as per Biblio.com and confirmed in Latrobe Bulletin." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:38, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Request about prices ==<br />
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Hello. I have a request. As you're doing very valuable work and, a.o., are adding missing prices, could you also add in the notes field the other currencies as well (if present of course). The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Price rules text] says: <br><br />
''British books are often priced for several other commonwealth countries such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Malta, Gibraltar, South Africa, East Africa, Trinidad (W.I.), and countries with a significant English-speaking population such as Spain and the Republic of Ireland. '''These additional prices are usefully entered in notes'''. Some of these countries also have pre-decimal formats based on the British pound and post-decimal formats similar to Dollar prices, and some have changed yet again to € (Euro) prices. If in doubt, enter these in notes exactly as stated.''<br><br />
That would be really appreciated. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:03, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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And also, as MartyD already pointed out above, could you add sources to the notes (or in the weblink multifield, as appropriate). Thanks! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:20, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== She Waits ==<br />
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Hello, I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4956535 your submission] on hold, as it says 'bad checksum' for the ISBN you updated, but you didn't provide a reference for us to check. Can you double-check and provide a reference here? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:18, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Upper right cover corner; I just checked https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/664652801/she-waits-by-henry-clement-1975-vintage, and there's a photo of the spine with the same ID, so if it's wrong it wouldn't be the first time a book had a bad ISBN; what the right one is, I don't know. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:05, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hi folks. I was just passing through and noticed this. The ID on the cover of that book is an SBN, not an ISBN, and the -125 at the end is actually the $1.25 price. See [[Help:Screen:EditPub#ISBN|EditPub help]] for a little bit about this situation. One could derive an ISBN from it by adding the leading 0, dropping the price, and adding the missing checksum -- 2 in this case -- ending up with 0-445-00283-2. A favorite site of mine for ISBN analysis is https://www.isbn-check.com/ . Whether that is correct/appropriate or not, I don't know, but [https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0445002832/ Amazon agrees]. Current policy allows use of the derived ISBN on the record, with a note citing the fact that it's derived and providing the stated SBN. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:30, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks Marty. Approved & fixed the ISBN per Marty's explanation. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:42, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Is your caps lock stuck? ==<br />
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Please do not shout in notes (moderator ones and even more importantly the publication notes). <br />
Fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375229 here]. Also please add in the note where in the book you find some information. Saying "PRICE FROM COPY ON INTERNET ARCHIVE" can mean anything from proper price to a sticker or a note somewhere. Specifying that the price is on the front flap allows a user to find it in their copy. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:47, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I did that so info I add stands out from other info; when I revisit records to fix or add (as I do constantly) it helps to know what's mine. I've already done about a dozen edits this morning, but if it annoys you future edits will have lowercase letters. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:02, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: This is a public database, not your private sandbox. Shouting in any notes (or the wiki pages) is not acceptable. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:29, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== If It Had Happened Otherwise ==<br />
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When you post the source as [https://picclick.com/If-It-Happened-Otherwise-edited-by-JCSquire-124248007500.html this link] and nothing more, there are 12 images and some text on this page. If the handling moderator knows where to look, the front flap image is an obvious target. However, not everyone does (or had seen the site before) so it can take a long time to look through all of the images and find what you had seen there (and you can even miss it on a first pass if you do not know where it is supposed to be - some of these angled images can be a pain). <br />
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If you add "image 4" to the link in your moderator note and inside of your publication note you state "Price from the front flap (seen on a copy in picclick.com)" or "Price from the front flap (seen on a copy online)", that saves time for the processing moderator AND they do not need to rewrite your note. See how it looks [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?381932 now] compared to your "PRICE FROM COPY ON PICCLICK.". Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:55, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Username, this has been a recurring issue with your submissions and is becoming a problem for ISFDB moderators. Keep in mind that we process anywhere from 350,000 to 450,000+ submissions per year. If moderators had to spend as much time on researching every submission as they spend on your submissions, the approval process would slow down to a crawl. This is unacceptable. At this rate many moderators may simply stop working on your submissions since their time would be better spent elsewhere. In addition, the current situation wastes your time since moderators frequently ask you to clarify your sources. All of the above can be easily fixed by explicitly stating where the information comes from in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:13, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Currently I have 250 or so edits awaiting approval. Many are cover images which don't require any notes so those are ready and waiting to be approved. As I explained somewhere here not long ago, the reason I leave info in moderator notes is firstly because when moderator checks they may find I made an error (although that rarely happens), and secondly because info that's entered in notes is not read by most people who use ISFDB, according to everything I've read on message boards; people mainly use it to find covers for old books they remember reading in their youth or to find where stories are, since many people request fiction from old mags and books through interlibrary loan and need to know exactly what pages to request (I've done that many times myself). --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: The ISFDB has tens of thousands of users and dozens of major contributors. They are all interested in somewhat different aspects of our data: individual authors, early pulps, works in certain languages, art, etc. If you want to concentrate on the types of data that is of interest to a certain subset of ISFDB users, e.g. the readers of certain message boards who wants to see old book covers, that's great. However, all submissions should meet a minimum set of standards, including stating where the data comes from. As I indicated below, this is non-negotiable. We make allowances for new editors who are still learning the ropes, but you have created over 4,000 submissions and have been repeatedly informed about this issue, so you are well past that point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:40, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Although I have found many rare books and entered much info not found on any other sites, a large part of my time here is entering hundreds (thousands?) of missing covers and entering page #'s/verifying story titles, because I know that's what most of the people out there want. Going forward I think I will concentrate mainly on adding more covers and page #'s/corrected titles, since adding missing hardcover prices from their flaps or exact month of publication from copyright pages or whatever else requires adding note minutiae I'm not good at, obviously. Also, I think I shall return to what I originally was best at, the finding of rare stuff nobody else can. If I do the occasional edit from now on that requires notes, I'll remember to add them myself so no moderators will be upset. While we're all making suggestions here, let me take this opportunity to make some of my own. When approving my edits, moderators should try to start from the bottom and work their way up. They often approve at random and miss my notes from a prior edit related to a later one. Also, I've made dozens of entries spread out on all the wikis (Community, Help, Moderator, Verification) with many questions/interesting info/requests, etc. A few have been answered, sometimes helpfully, but most have gotten no responses, so let's get some. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Questions and observations about specific bibliographic topics may or may not be answered or commented upon depending on whether we have active editors knowledgeable about the raised topic and on whether they have the time to do additional research. Sometimes it takes weeks or months before another editor chimes in and provides additional information. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:48, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Let's all try to stop criticizing unpaid volunteers and concentrate on literature, shall we? --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I'd like to chime in here. First (to get it out of the way), it's not because notes aren't read by most people that they shouldn't be entered - after all, there ''are'' people interested in knowing the source of the information available on ISFDB. That said, and as I've expressed earlier, you're doing a fine job of unearthing missing data. And it would make a hell of a lot of difference for us moderators (and for you too, since your submissions would be processed much faster) if you would add notes for us and other users along the lines Annie clarified above. It may get some used to, but I can't imagine that that would be an unsurmountable problem - at least from my perspective a win-win. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:17, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Sellers (I) ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4962654 this update]. There is not a single site listed OR a moderator note. Considering that this was sent in the last few minutes after you were reminded about the rules again, this looks like a deliberate refusal to actually follow the rules of participation on the site. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:51, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This is another example of how unsourced submissions waste everyone's time. It took me a number of Google searches and multiple minutes to find a source confirming that {{A|Peter Sellers (I)}} is the same person as the famous actor -- [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/anth/s233.htm Contento's "Miscellaneous Anthologies Index"]. Multiply it by 400,000 submissions per year and you can see how this is not a viable way of entering data into the database.<br />
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: BUREAUCRAT WARNING: If you continue refusing to clearly state where the data comes from in Notes, it will not only delay the processing of your submissions, but it will also fall under the "non-constructive or disruptive" clause of [[ISFDB:Policy]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:09, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::I had an edit approved by a moderator recently where I discovered the Peter Sellers who wrote "The Wastrel" was the famous actor but was mistakenly in the same record as the Peter Sellers who wrote genre fiction in the 80's and 90's. The anthology where "The Wastrel" appears, https://archive.org/details/knightsofmadness0000unse, has an intro by Peter Haining on p. 228 of the book confirming it's Sellers the actor, not the writer. Now that a separate record has been created for Sellers the actor I figured it would be good to fill in bio info and provide a photo, so that's what I did. I'm not deliberately trying to be confusing, it's that some moderators are less concerned about exactness and trust I know what I'm talking about. As I said above, once backlog of my edits are cleared I'm going to stick mostly to adding covers and finding and adding info not found anywhere else on the current web, which is what I was mostly doing when I first started here. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:37, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for the clarification. I have added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?292831 the title record] explaining where the identification of the author comes from. I have also changed "Peter Sellers (I)" to "Peter Sellers (actor)" as per [[Help:How to separate two authors with the same name]], which prioritizes the use of profession for disambiguation purposes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:46, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== And the Darkness Falls ==<br />
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Another one with no source (thanks for adding the note though): [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4962593 And the Darkness Falls]. <br />
: Where did you see the front flap?<br />
: As per the help page [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt for covers]: "The cover designer (as opposed to the cover artist) is only entered in this field if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field." If the only credit on this flap is for the design, then a cover is not added. If there is another credit somewhere, please provide a source.<br />
The edit will need to be rejected (so we do not create a cover that then will need to be cleaned up) but if you provide a link where the flap is visible, I will edit the book after that to include both the Jacket design information and the source. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:01, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I added external ID for Fantlab, which I was told to do by you recently, so I thought it was obvious where I got info from, but here it is: https://fantlab.ru/edition131050. See photo 6. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:40, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Adding an ID does not replace the note explaining the source. In the case of FantLab it provides the link that is required so that you can then attribute the exact information to them in the notes. Edit rejected and note and external ID added again as explained above. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:50, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Open library and covers ==<br />
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When you find the cover there, please also add the Open Library ID into the external IDs. While the links on the left usually lead to the Open Library book correctly (if there is an ISBN to use), this is not true for older books or in some cases where the ISBN is reused or Open Library has more than one version for this ISBN. No need to add a note unless there is something interesting in the record. See how I did it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207069 here]. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:02, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I've probably already added several covers from that site since the one you linked, but when I use their covers in future I'll try to remember to add the ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:07, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I'll add them to any I am approving if they cross my path. While it is not critical, it helps for non-verified books (showing that we are not the only ones believing that the book exists for example) and sometimes provide interesting details we lack (and which can go into the notes) :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Same request for FantLab covers (with the same reason). Fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?226381 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:32, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) One small note on Fantlab images. When you copy them directly, they contain at the end a session information (?r=1603912742 for example). Pull that out (anything after the ? and the ? itself) - while keeping them does not seem to cause any issues at the moment, it is unclear if it might in the future (the same reason why we clean Amazon images from all Amazon formatting). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:20, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Nine Rocks / Internet Archive links ==<br />
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Hello. Just an FYI - we record titles as they appear in the book. In the Nine Rocks case in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268366 this pub], this means that a new ''Nine Rocks'' title needed to be created, and then varianted to the original ''Nine Rocks in a Row'' title (I've done that here, have a look)<br />
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Also, when you are retrieving information from an Internet Archive copy, please add the link to the Webpages multifield iso buried into the Note to moderators. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:48, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Song in the House ==<br />
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When you have a link such as https://www.amazon.co.uk/Song-House-Ann-BRIDGE/dp/B003AQ2G5I (an ASIN based Amazon link), there are two ways to record it in a publication. <br />
* If it belongs to the book itself, as was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547479 here], just record the ASIN in the ASIN field and then just mention Amazon (the correct one of the 16) in the notes (which you did here already).<br />
* If you are using it for a credit but the link is NOT for this edition, you can use a template instead: <nowiki>{{ASIN|B003AQ2G5I}}</nowiki> for example. All templates can be found [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields here].<br />
As a rule, Amazon links are not to be recorded in the Webpages links - they are either ISBN10 based (in which case the ISBN carries them) or ASIN based (then we use the ASIN field). I fixed it in the linked book. Thanks for finding this one! Please note that the ASIN field is only used for ASINs starting with B, the number only ones are ISBN10 and we already have that higher on the page. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:19, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Forgetful Robot ==<br />
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Does "page #" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331270 here] means the "Pages" field or the page number for each story (aka the contents page numbers)? Also - let's use the word "number" and not "#" in sentences in the notes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:50, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Contents page numbers. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:53, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Note updated. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:44, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ghost Story Treasury ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960950 this variant]? As one of the anthologies has no contents, we need a source either with contents or showing one of them as a reissue of the other. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:07, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I found this, http://www.locusmag.com/index/b444.htm, which mentions first U.S. edition, so I think they're the same, just retitled; if not sufficient, just reject; children's books are often hard to get info for. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:34, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yep, that is good enough (the First U.S. edition (Kingfisher 1987) part at the end of the the US listing). I will add a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:14, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== British Books with two prices ==<br />
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You left a note about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?126061 this publication] which has both pre-decimal and decimal prices. If you check [[Template:PublicationFields:Price|this help section]], our policy is to reflect the pre-decimal price in the price field, so the existing record was incorrect. It's certainly also appropriate to reflect the decimal price in the notes. I'll correct this record, but wanted to call the standard to your attention. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:43, 15 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== It's for You ==<br />
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Where is the contents [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4959547 here] coming from? The Moderator note explains where the two dates are coming from but nothing about the rest of the stories or where the page numbers are coming from. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: https://www.amazon.com/Its-You-Keith-Minnion/dp/1950565084; (Look Inside). --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:13, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved with one note: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2855414 here] the date should be 2006, not 1989. We date the first appearance under that title. So I fixed that. And for the other story: we date when something is published officially; copyright and posting online can be added to the notes but are not used for dating. :) Thanks for finishing the contents. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:21, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== What Is Dungeons and Dragons? ==<br />
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If I approve [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4965935 this], it will change the data in a verified book. The PV is active so can you please discuss the change with him? If the credits are different, we will need variants. If they are the same, we need to fix BOTH the title records and the publications (once created, they need to be changed separately). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:23, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Apologies for interrupting, but FWIW, I had a copy of this as a kid (it may even still be lurking in a box somewhere at my parents' house) and I recall it having the 3 authors listed in this edit. My vague memory tells me that there wasn't much ISFDB-relevant in it though - maybe a chapter about fictional inspiration for RPGs - so I doubt it would be accepted as a new submission nowadays.<br />
: I notice [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?10337 John Butterfield] also has a bunch of earlier artwork for US pubs (at least the ones I've checked). I'm pretty sure that will be a different person - my (again very vague) recollection of this book is that the authors were all recent graduates from the same UK university, so it seems unlikely this person was also doing pro-art for US publishers 3-4 years earlier. I don't know how/where you might be able to prove that though... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 13:57, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which is fine and I do not disbelieve the edit. BUT there is an active PV on one of the books and the site policies and common courtesy require someone to talk to them because they have the book and can open it and check (despite being Transient - it was January 2021 so there is a chance they still have access or remember better than someone who saw it last century ... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:12, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And yeah - seems like two different people. Let me do some more digging. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Companion ==<br />
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I thought we agreed above that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4966265 this kind of updates] will have notes added as well. I approved the previous one and added the note. I will approve this one and update again but can you please ADD notes? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:37, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I've been trying to add more notes since the above discussion but an edit that includes only a price that's on the cover which is on the ISFDB record and wasn't entered by prior editor for whatever reason doesn't require a note; notes are for info not visible like copyright pages and hardcover prices and whatnot. This series had the same price for all 15 books so price was obvious, anyway. I do so many of these edits every day that it's very tiring to remember to enter every last note and external ID and whatever else you all want, but I have been adding more. Perhaps it would be better if you just reject anything that you find something wrong with and explain what you need in the rejection note rather than sending message after message on my talk page. Or maybe you should confine your approval of my edits to only cover images which don't require anything else and leave the other edits to someone else. Unlike someone who I read on ISFDB recently who was complaining about how long it was taking to approve his edits, I really don't care how long it takes. I just add entries constantly, and when moderators approve them, they approve them. Take as long as you want. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:02, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And all that can be added to the notes. I've mentioned before that there are users who have vision issues and some covers are not very clear. Adding a note takes a few seconds - either from your time or from someone else's. Asking a moderator to do it because you cannot be bothered is not very nice. No moderator should be approving edits with no clear sources in the notes - and some had been reminded to be careful around your edit because of your refusal to add notes. So if you ask the moderator team to reject any incomplete edits from you, we can do that easily enough. Instead I am trying to work with you so you do not lose your time finding information that will be rejected later. If you prefer straight rejections with explanation instead, sure - that works as well :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I would prefer any edit I make from now on that you find fault with to be rejected with a note saying what was wrong with it rather than sending a message to my talk page which is now extremely long; I'm tired of seeing that yellow bar pop up with another message complaining about something. My info is almost always correct because I verify every edit I make, so the problem is not with the quality but the process. I've noticed since our discussion above that I'm slowly moving away from adding hardcover flap prices and exact months and all the other minutiae I've been doing the last few months and going back to adding more cover images and finding rare info nobody else can like I was when I started, so sometime soon these "adding notes" talks will be moot because I won't be doing anything that requires them, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:33, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: One thing that I believe I mentioned earlier is that cover scan hosted by third party sites, including Amazon, can be transient. We have seen thousands of image URLS die over the years.<br />
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:::: On the other hand, the data that we store in the ISFDB database is backed up once a day, except for images, which are backed up once a week. We make our backups publicly available once a week and many people (all over the world) faithfully download them. In addition, our software is publicly available. Nothing short of a worldwide disaster on the level of dinosaur-killing asteroid will make it impossible to rebuild the ISFDB database. Think of any Note text that you add as your own personal slice of immortality :-)<br />
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:::: Re: price visibility, are you saying that you can easily read the price printed on [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51IWnJffnnL.jpg this cover scan]? If you are, you are better at pattern recognition that most humans. All I see is blurry white lines. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:49, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Swamp Witch ==<br />
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Please talk to the PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4966285 here]. This kind of changes should always be discussed with the PVs as you had been reminded more than once. Sometimes it may turn out that they have a slightly different edition than the one you found online. That's why we have the PV system. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:47, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I cancelled my submission. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:05, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Wikipedia as a source ==<br />
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Hi. A word of warning about Wikipedia as a source: You can't necessarily trust information in Wikipedia articles. It's best to look at the cited references and try to find the original source for the information in the article. We need to be careful about propagating assumptions and/or outright errors. For example, your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960968 proposed date change] for ''The Hunt for Red October'' based on Wikipedia's October 1, 1984. I poked around a little, and it's not clear October 1 is correct or the article's source for it. The [https://tomclancy.com/product/the-hunt-for-red-october Tom Clancy] site does say October 1, but the [https://www.usni.org/press/books/hunt-red-october ISNI Press] site says October 2.<br />
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BTW, I don't see why we shouldn't have listings for publications of that title. I'm checking to see what others think. I have your edit on hold. Assuming we should have publication records, a record for the first edition would be a better place to try to explain the above dating disagreement than in the title record. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:31, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:p.s. I got reminded of why we don't have publication records.... :-) Oh well. So I accepted the submission but removed the day (so just dated October 1984), and I added a note stating the publication date is uncertain, explaining the discrepancy and linking the above sources. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:14, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::The Catalog of Copyright #TX0001475353 puts 1984-10-03 as the official registered date of publication. The registration was accepted on 1984-10-29.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 10:03, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Nice find. I expanded the notes, adding that, with [https://publicrecords.copyright.gov/detailed-record/13828104 this link] (probably not permanent, but it looks likely to get a permanent replacement someday). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:22, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Linking translations ==<br />
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To link a translation to the original title, we use "Make This Title a Variant" -- the translation is the "child"/variant, and the original is the "parent"/canonical title. So where you discovered the missing introduction in {{P|368060|Cold House}}, the linking necessarily had to wait for the approval of your submission that added it. Then one could go to {{T|2298089|Einleitung (Das kalte Haus)}} and make it the variant of the newly added title, which I have done. Now both of the titles show the relationship to the other, and if you take a look at {{P|645515|Das kalte Haus}}, you'll see the German introduction is annotated as a translation of Ketchum's English introduction.<br />
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The complementary scenario exists when adding a new title that's a translation of an existing title -- the relationship between new and existing needs to be established in the other direction, but doing so still has to wait for the new title to be created. So what you did with making a note to the moderator about the translation relationship between the new title and the existing title is perfect; the moderator processing the submission can know to go make the variant relationship while processing the submission. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:45, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest: 1972 ''Exorcism''(s) ==<br />
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I can see the covers on the edition of Exorcism [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?835576 you submitted] and on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359576 previously existing record] are different, with both clearly showing the W101Z, $1.25 and Lexington Press. It would be interesting to know how those two editions are related. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:56, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Yes, it would; the publisher has no other books on ISFDB. This, http://www.bradmiddleton.ca/2020/02/exorcism-1971-by-eth-natasor-was-it.html, gives a good review of the book but just mentions the "alternate cover"; the reason I added that cover here is because it's an actual cover and not just some text on a black background like the other one, plus it's really stupid. I see that searching on Worldcat for "all editions" gives a 1972 Lexington House ed. but also a 1974 Manor Books ed., which I see you added 2 printings of, but Worldcat says the later ed. is also 190 pages, so you may want to add that, too; searching for Eth Natas gives only 2 hits, this book and an encyclopedia article which gives an error page if you click on it; searching for a Lexington House in Jamaica, N.Y. gives only this book so apparently they were one-and-done. This, https://www.etsy.com/listing/938956379/exorcism-witchcraft-possession-the-dead, shows the back cover of the Manor ed.; this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Exorcism-Eth-Natas/dp/0532122062, gives an ISBN. Hope this helps, MartyD. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:53, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== John R. Holt pseudonym of Raymond Giles? ==<br />
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I stumbled upon [https://www.librarything.com/author/holtjohnr this] LibraryThings statement. Currently those two authors are not linked with each other in the ISFDB. Do you agree that {{a|John R. Holt}} is a pseudonym of {{a|Raymond Giles}}? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:04, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Yes. It's mentioned several places on the web, but this is a good one: https://darkeyesoflondon.blogspot.com/2020/12/. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:33, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks for the confirmation. I've linked both authors and made Giles the canonical name. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:16, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Judgement vs. Judgment ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4972212 your edit] on hold for a moment. Could you check with SFJuggler (by leaving a note on his talk page) whether it's indeed a typo, or if it's written as Judg'''e'''ment Day on the title page instead? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:12, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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PV said it's his typo, and my edit is correct. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:27, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And approved! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:37, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fifth Season ==<br />
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On your submissions for "The Fifth Season" and "People of the Night". Looking at the pictures, both sure look like they are stapled and are therefor ph. And all the stories in "The Fifth Season" should be short stories; how can any story in a collection 40 pages long be anything else? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:20, 27 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Timothy Mulcahy ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4978840 this]? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:17, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:He has a website, timmulcahy.com, but I don't see any definite links between the stories in both records on ISFDB, so it can be rejected. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:43, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, unfortunately that website only mentions the "Birth Screams of Angels" story. I added the website to {{A|Tim Mulcahy}} based on that, but rejected the variant. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:19, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== A Different Drummer ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4984120 this submission]: Is the Internet Archive copy you found [https://archive.org/details/differentdrummer00kell_1 this one]? Or is there another version I'm not seeing? The reason I ask is that is a copy of the third printing per the number line so it's not clear if the date is for the original printing or that third printing. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:19, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: That's the one; the foreword is copyright 1989 so it's a new edition, but it also says the original Anchor edition was 1969, which is also on ISFDB with no cover; looking online it seems to have a different cover, so they updated a few things for this one. I almost added the wrong cover to the 1989 book because Amazon had some other cover which is for another edition. You may be right about the third printing, but the price other editor entered was much higher than the 1 on the archive.org copy, so why would the 1st printing be more expensive than the 3rd? Also, there's a note about Amazon saying it's from May 1990, so I'm not sure about all this, but since PV is no longer active and my info came from an actual copy of the book, I think we should go with mine, and if someone else has a copy of the first printing with a 1989 date on the back cover they can always enter that on ISFDB as another edition; book on archive.org says 0690 on back so if PV had a copy of the book it should have a similar --89 date, but I guess they missed that and just used date on copyright page. Adding a note that the archive.org copy is the 3rd printing would be good, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:04, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::The copyright page has "Anchor Books Editions: 1969, 1989" so seems like 1989 would be the correct year for this first printing and the "0690" would be for the third printing. The price is suspect, but prices can change between printings. Yes, it would be nice to be able to ask the verifier to double check the price and if there is a date code on the back. But as they are no longer active, we cannot and we have to go with the information we have. We create separate records for each printing so I have cloned the record and created a third printing. I sourced that to the archive.org scan. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:47, 18 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Incomplete cover ==<br />
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Hello username! It was kind of you to add a cover to my verified book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?753227 Weltraum Nr. 1], but it's incomplete. In the middle of the cover there is still a painting. Greetings Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:40, 17 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Drive In The Bus Tour ==<br />
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I approved your submission of changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312004 The Drive In: The Bus Tour], even with the new cover scan. The original scan was much better IMHO. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:40, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: The cover I added shows full art including what's on the back. It may be a little glossy when small like a lot of small-press hardcovers, but clicking makes it bigger and much easier to see the art. ISFDB's policy of shrinking all images down has the unfortunate side effect of making a lot of covers and author images hard to see; some display better when clicked or opened in a new tab, some don't; this one does. And if the cover art is continued on the back cover it's usually better to use that so users can see it in full, unless the image is so bad that it's not feasible to use it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:22, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Black Dog / Queta Non Movere ==<br />
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Hello, can you provide source for your varianting statement [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4993714 here]? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:45, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I discovered this months ago and left a message on ISFDB asking if anyone knew more; months passed and nobody answered so I decided to enter it. The original edition of Dark Encounters and a recent Polygon edition use the original title, but the 1984 John Goodchild edition decided to use the title here, https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbchomeservice/basic/1961-10-12. I suspect they changed it because people these days wouldn't understand the Latin title so they gave it a more "horror-y" title. Online reviews that discuss "Quieta Non Movere" mention a black dog so they're the same story. There's a copy of the 1984 edition on Google Books and on Fantlab, https://fantlab.ru/edition219644. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:03, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I've approved the varianting, and added a note to the Black Dog title record, stating Fantlab has this as 'Quieta Non Movere'. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:57, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm glad to finally get this info entered on ISFDB; one change I would suggest, though, is making the note refer to the BBC link I provided above, since that is the only hit I got when I searched on Google for the "Black Dog..." title and is probably when the title was originally changed. The "Black Dog..." title doesn't link to Fantlab on Google because in their usual sloppy fashion they list titles from 1963 edition on 1984 edition's page and forgot to change the title from "Quieta..." to "Black Dog...", so the only way people would know the title was changed is if they clicked on the photos from the book. Another thing is I decided to search Internet Archive for the "Black Dog..." title and again got only 1 hit, https://archive.org/details/Radiocorriere-1961-41, so there's 1 more bit of proof that this was the title they used for radio. Why only the 1984 edition of Dark Encounters decided to use that title is anyone's guess. I will add an edit now with the external ID for Fantlab so people can go there if they want to see the photos. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:32, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Sure, feel free to add the two references into the pub notes (and URL in the web multifield). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:54, 30 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Making of The Wizard of Oz ==<br />
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Hello! I approved your submission of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?252547 The Making of The Wizard of Oz] and correct your wrong ISBN record. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 15:24, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Danke. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:30, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== [no subject] ==<br />
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Where exactly did you get the impression that I have a problem with people disagreeing with me? That's a problem of yours, not mine. <br><br />
It's difficult to get across subtle nuances online, but you seemed to get prickly when I asked if you were a moderator. Why? I was just wondering if maybe you could approve the change for me. <br><br />
I'm just as good an editor as you, although not as prolific. Sometimes I make mistakes, but I catch them and fix them. I'm fully aware of every missing link in every issue I've entered, and why it's missing. You couldn't be sure of that, of course, and I appreciate you trying to help. I also really appreciated your kind words about my efforts to add Fangoria, and your offer of help. I wish I'd said so.<br><br />
You say "tantrum", I say "prank". It's your six-month anniversary, and one of the better editors should surely have a biography!--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 01:22, 18 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Username? It would help if you answered those two questions, please.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 04:28, 26 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
When you forgive my sarcasm (which trumps rudeness!), I'd like to take you up on your offer of help with Fangoria. If you want to verify the issues that you have, or add anything that belongs, that would be great.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 21:21, 28 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Jason Alexander ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5036748 this submission]: It looks like {{A|Jason Alexander}} is multiple people. The only record I was able to confirm to be by the actor is "Dad, Are You The Tooth Fairy?" (plus probably the two interviews). Are you aware of any others? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:17, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:The 1978 novel is not by the actor since he was only 18 or 19 at the time; the publisher has 5 books on Open Library, and 1 by Alexander is readable, revealing that author is a Libertarian Ayn Rand type. The art is all within the same time period so most likely is by the same artist. So the actor wrote the Tooth Fairy book and the 2 interviews are with him also because there's lots of info online about him appearing on Trek. That leaves the essay; no info online about which Alexander wrote that, but if I had to guess it's by the artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:57, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Yup, that was my thought. I will divide them up. By the way, I moved your response from my talk page over to here as it keeps the conversation together. That allows someone else in the future to more easily figure it out if they have questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:25, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dangerous Red ==<br />
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I approved you submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2721847 Dangerous Red], but you need to clone the pub under that title and enter the 2003 edition in edition to the new edition. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:22, 3 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moorstones ==<br />
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Hello, could you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0907349307&type=ISBN]? It has two publication records with identical ISBN, but different publishers. (2nd one is the one you cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5066858 here]). Is this expected? Or must the ISBN of the Spindlewood edition be removed? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:57, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I asked about this myself on Community Portal under "Moorstones". Since edition I entered came from the actual book on Archive.org I would trust that and assume the ISBN for later edition was taken from some online info that had the wrong one; of course it's possible they both use same ISBN, so someone needs to produce the Salem edition to check. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::The Salem House edition info is copied from Locus. They could be wrong about the ISBN.--[[User:Chris J|Chris J]] 19:34, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Delete notes ==<br />
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Hello! I hold your submission of ''Our Gang (Starring Tricky and His Friends)''. Are you sure that you want to delete all notes? Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:10, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: That was an extra note about the quote on last page; don't know why it thinks I wanted to delete previous notes, way the software works I guess, but it's an extra note, not meant to replace previous ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:46, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I've approve your submission and restore the notes. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:08, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Grey Matter Variant ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5069181 edit] to change the date to 1978 for the variant of King's story with the title as "Grey Matter"? Our earliest appearance of the story with that spelling is now November 1987, after your edits to the Pan publication. I'll also note that you really should have checked with the verifier of that book before submitting those edits. I had to contact them and make sure it was OK before approving them. They noted that there is a 1978 copyright date but, but the book doesn't indicate what title was used for the 1978 publication. I'll change the record to 1987 for now and continue to hold your edit depending on your source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:53, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The story was published in an American porn mag and then collected in Night Shift in 1978. It was Gray in America but Grey in England, and since the English edition also came out in '78 that was its first appearance. I brought this up somewhere on the boards months ago and 1 of you responded saying that every book where the story appears would need to be checked to see how it's spelled, so now I got the ball rolling; others can check their copies or online and verify if it was spelled Grey in all other British publications, whether Night Shift editions or Pan Books or anything else. Sometimes I notice a book was PV'd and check with them first, sometimes I don't. I was on my way out of here recently until a hurricane and terrorists made it impossible for me to travel. The barbarians are at the gate, so the fact I'm still here is a miracle; that may not be true much longer. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:53, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::First off, stay safe wherever you are. You didn't really answer the question. You assert that all UK editions have the variant title and that it was first published in the UK in 1978. Where did you get those pieces of information? We do not list a 1978 UK edition. There is none listed in Contento1, which is our chief source for pre-1984 collections. Worldcat has one record published by Hodder & Stoughton and one by New English Library, both for 1978, but neither records list the contents. I'm going to reject the edit to change the variant date for now. If you have a source you can cite, we can revisit this. Lastly, checking with active verifiers when you are changing the spelling of content is not optional. You need to do that every time. It's especially important when you don't have a source for your information as it appears you did not in this case. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:39, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: www.stephenkingcollector.com/identifyingUK1st.html; www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Night+Shift+-+Trade+HC+UK; https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/9047442.pdf (spells it GREY and even says what pages it's on); 1978 was NEL's HC Night Shift date; most King books were published in America and Britain close together. The reason why the British edition is not on ISFDB isn't because it doesn't exist but because nobody ever bothered to enter it. Sounds unlikely, but I've entered many editions by very well-known authors (Straub, Koontz, etc.) which should have been here but weren't. The Pan Book of Horror Stories definitely says "GREY Matter" because I actually found a photo of the contents page, and it seems that it was the only British anthology that story ever appeared in, at least as far as ISFDB says, so the only question now is whether all of the many British editions of Night Shift spell it that way, which seems very likely to me. So the British spelling's date almost certainly originates from the 1978 NEL Night Shift, but if you don't want to change it that's on you. As for checking with PV's, there was a time when I never checked because in almost every case my changes turned out to be correct, but eventually I started checking and have done so many times, but often I forget since I'm only human. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:31, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: https://www.booksandyou.in/product/night-shift1; the cached Google version still works, and includes a photo showing contents with "Grey Matter"; ISBN matches British editions on ISFDB but price is different, so it's some unknown printing. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:15, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bad Candy ==<br />
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Posted an answer on my [[User_talk:MagicUnk|talk page]] [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk#Bad_Candy here]. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:50, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Type change of ''The X-Files Book of the Unexplained, Volume II'' ==<br />
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Could you please confirm [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5076872 this update] with SFJugger first? That would be appreciated. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:35, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I think you meant SFJuggler. There's nothing really to confirm, since the first volume is NF on ISFDB; he just made a mistake and entered it as a collection. Also, see this link under Non-fiction books; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X-Files_literature. If y'all disagree you can cancel my edit, that's fine. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:43, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. I've accepted the submission, and added the link to the Moderators notes for reference. And it's not really about disagreeing (I'm impartial, as I don't have any interest either way), it's about confirming and ensuring a primary verifier agrees with your suggested update. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:04, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding covers found in other editions ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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When you are adding a cover artist because the art matches that of another publication already in the database. Please don't simply add the name of the artist to the publication record. This will result in a new COVERART title record which will then require an additional edit to merge it with the other title record from the source publication. A better approach would be to import the COVERART title used in the other publication(s) into the publication where it is missing. For example, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5084890 this edit] would create a new title which would then need to be merged with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1140800 this existing] title record. Instead, just grab the Title Record # from the existing record (1140800) and use the Import Content tool (Option 2) to add the COVERART to the publication. This way, you won't have to go back and submit merge edits. Let me know if you have any questions. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:07, 16 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moby Dick ==<br />
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HI! The official title is "Moby Dick; Or, The Whale" , would this be better as the parent and Moby Dick as the variant?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:05, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Wikipedia says The Whale as a 3-volume book in GB and Moby Dick as a single volume in America. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:12, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Stupid Amazon has piles of books with that title! Should have read more of the Wiki article :/[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:38, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Open library link in "Death and Resurrection" ==<br />
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Please explain the open library link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362571 here]. It should obviously be in one of the editions of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1325558 New Cthulhu: The Recent Weird]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:54, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Prior editor wrote note about wrong ISBN on copyright page vs. right ISBN on back cover; Open Library page for Death and Resurrection has no Archive.org link but the page I linked to does; my note explains about right author but wrong title. Clicking Preview shows MacAvoy's book. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:48, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: So write a more comprehensible note. No one understands this as it is now. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:54, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: It's perfectly comprehensible. There's some other editor's note about different ISBN's, and there's my new note about how the Open Library page I linked to shows wrong title but right author. I don't usually link directly to non-public domain books on Archive.org because many of them aren't supposed to be there and often get taken down after complaints. I have a feeling you're just being difficult because of my refuting of all your hostile messages recently. If that's the case, you don't have to check my edits anymore. There's many other people working here. Or you can be professional and act like an adult. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:01, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: This has nothing to do with being hostile. Clicking the link you provided brings you to [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL26775558M/New_Cthulhu_The_Recent_Weird this page]. It shows the cover of 'New Cthulhu: The Recent Weird' which is obvously wrong. How do you expect people to know that it shows the right edition after clicking through if you don't explain this in the note? <br />
:::: I'll be perfectly happy if you don't touch my primary verifications anymore, that would save me a lot of wasted time. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:21, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: In order not to receive any more of your messages about this issue, I will add an extra note to that record explaining in exact detail that the Preview link must be clicked in order to read MacAvoy's book, for all the slow adults out there who can't figure out how to click a button. I also just added a message on Community Portal about this topic, so now it's preserved for the ages. You also spelled obviously incorrectly. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:28, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::As the other verifier of this publication record, I have to object to this. It seems completely bizarre to me to include a link to the OL record for the Guran anthology in the record for the MacAvoy novel in order to provide a link to the archive record that happens to be incorrectly linked from OL record. Why not simply add the internet archive link directly? You mention that you don't want to for fear of it being taken down. If it is taken down, why would the OL still have it. I also have to reiterate (how many times have I asked you before?) that you need to check with the verifiers before making this sort of change. Had I been consulted first, I would have told you not to link to the wrong book, and I suspect from these comments that Willem would have agreed. I'm going to back out these changes and link to the internet archive directly. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:11, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I don't know what's in the air recently, but you people are making way too big a deal about this. If you want to complain, complain to Prime Books for printing Death and Resurrection's ISBN in New Cthulhu. The Open Library page for Death and Resurrection has no Preview button to click, so anyone visiting that page would think the book is not readable at the Archive, so I provided an OL link to the page that actually has the Preview button which takes you to Death and Resurrection; wrong cover and title mean nothing, since it's the double ISBN's in the book itself that are responsible for the confusion. I've noticed you frequently add archive.org links to records for books that are not public domain; that's risky, since many are taken down due to copyright complaints; one of my first edits here on ISFDB was for a Noel Langley story from Saturday Evening Post that was reprinted in his 1950 collection under a different title; it still hasn't been changed because by the time I started editing here those issues were all gone because of copyright issues, so I was never able to prove it. So you can add whatever you want to, but when they come calling you'll have to deal with them. I don't appreciate your hostile tone, especially since I did a good thing by adding a link to a book that would have otherwise gone unread by most. Also, why would I contact PV about adding an external ID; I'm not changing anything you did. You rarely have anything positive to say and only message me when you have a complaint about something trivial like this; if I had a dollar for every time I've had to fix wrong info and saw your name as the one who entered that info I'd be rich, so get off your high horse. When I contacted your friend up there months ago to let him know I'd done some changes on a book he PV'd he responded with extreme rudeness, so if you want me to contact PV every time I make some change, even if it's unnecessary as in this case, then maybe y'all should learn how to respond like adults. I've been 1 of the most prolific editors here this year, and was ready to take a long break recently, until circumstances beyond my control put a stop to that, but if I continue to receive constant complaints about my work that may change. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:48, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Please do not edit archived discussions ==<br />
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I have reverted [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3ACommunity_Portal%2FArchive%2FArchive50&diff=613373&oldid=608314 your edit]. If you need to post an update to the discussion, please don't edit the archived discussion pages. Very few people will see anything posted on the archived discussion pages, so anything impportant posted there will be unseen by most everyone. Instead, please post it on the appropriate discussion page as a new topic (in this case, on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] page). I recommend doing that for this one, and then link to the [[ISFDB:Community Portal/Archive/Archive50#Missing Cover for Blood Rare|archived discussion like this]]. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:01, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm the one who wrote the original message; finding the cover by accident more than 6 months later, I went back and added a note about that. Nobody responded during that 6+ months, so I doubt anyone cares that I finally found the cover; if they ever look for that book they'll see the cover in its record. I was writing the note to myself, as I've done with several other recent findings by me for old messages I left that no one ever answered, so that when I look back over all my messages as I do sometimes I know which ones were solved. No need for a new topic because the case is closed. Most of my very numerous messages have never been answered, so if I want to talk to myself, だから何だ? --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:38, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I understand. Please don't edit archived discussion, however. I suspect the one of the biggest reasons so many of your messages don't get answered is because there are so many of them it's hard for anyone to keep up with them. It might be good to make a user sub-page to keep track of them, and ask people to follow that. Then you can keep track of which have been answered there. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:07, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Translations ==<br />
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As you are venturing into translations, a few notes:<br />
* We need the translator up on the title level so we know which titles need merging if there are multiple publications. I fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2926829 this one]<br />
* We have a template for recording the translators - Tr. You can see in the example above how it is used. It is one of those "if one day we start recording translators" preparations. When you do not add it or do not use the template, it pops up on a report and someone will need to fix it later. <br />
* For Spanish, our external ID LTF stands for https://tercerafundacion.net/ - which is a good place for additional verification and data for Spanish language books. They definitely do not have everything but when they do, they have more information than most. So if you plan to work on Spanish, you may want to check them occasionally.<br />
Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:25, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I wasn't venturing into translations, it was just a random book I came across while searching for other things. I was surprised it wasn't here already so I took a shot at entering it; I entered most info correctly, and points you brought up are ISFDB-specific, not related to the book itself. I also was on that LTF page before I entered the info but didn't know ISFDB had an external ID for them. I barely comprehend English so when I enter one of my very rare new publications for a foreign-language book it's because it interested me in some way, not because I have any interest in entering foreign editions. I'm running on fumes here, so even working on English-language publications doesn't interest me much anymore. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:40, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which is fine - but if you do translations, keep these in mind. You had the translator, it was just in the wrong notes. So I am stopping by with an advice on how to reduce the number of edits needed later when you add translations. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:48, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The High Holidays are over, but… ==<br />
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Forgiven me yet? :'( --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 03:09, 16 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Unexplained edits affecting verified publications ==<br />
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Hi. This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5121886 submission] is a good example of where you could save moderators a lot of work. You propose to change a title that appears in multiple verified publications, at least one of which has an active primary verifier. You provided no note explaining why (yes, it looks like an obvious misspelling, but what makes you think it's incorrect?), you did not check with the verifier, and the main secondary source -- Locus1 -- has the spelling as recorded in the entry. I did the Locus1 check, I asked MLB to confirm the spelling in the book he verified, and now I'm leaving you a note. Maybe others skipped over it due to lack of explanation and following of process; maybe someone else would have rejected it outright. But for me, what could have taken a few seconds to process has turned into many minutes (and I'm still not done with it). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]]<br />
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: Well, there's this, [https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/uQEAAOSwlRBg3pQW/$/Jack-Ketchum-Exit-at-Toledo-Blade-Boulevard-_57.jpg], where it's spelled SLEAZY, and there's also this, https://www.amazon.com/Peaceable-Kingdom-Jack-Ketchum/dp/1477806547, where searching inside gives 1 hit for SLEAZY but no hits for SLEASY, and there's a note saying the 47North edition was taken directly from the Leisure edition, so the spelling would be the same there, too. There's also the fact that searching Google for the title with the wrong spelling only lists a handful of sites, with ISFDB first and Locus next, with the few other sites obviously having taken their info directly from ISFDB. So what probably happened, as happens very often, is Locus lists wrong info (like every other online site), editor here copies it verbatim without verifying from an actual copy, and the wrong info remains, sometimes for a decade or more, until I come along and fix it, as I've done thousands of times before, because I do check physical copies or online scans of physical copies and never trust what some online site tells me. Also, 1 PV hasn't been here since 2019, 1 is in German so the title would be in German, too, and the other PV, MLB, has told me before, as have others, that if I fix something like this to just go ahead without contacting them because in almost every case my fix turns out to be correct. Thanks to Username for fixing this; you're welcome. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:45, 18 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Wow. Thanks for the feedback. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:55, 18 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: As we discussed in the past, this information should be included in the submission. Moderators do not have the time to replicate this kind of in-depth research and there is no reason to force them to re-do something that you have already done. As the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/newpub.cgi?Anthology New Publication Web page] says in the "Source of Data" section, if the submitted data comes from "Other website, later printing/edition or another source", the source should be explained in the Publication Note field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:32, 19 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Blue World type change ==<br />
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There are six PVs on this title, and only one of them was contacted regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5125135 changing this] from SHORTFICTION (novella) to NOVEL. Did you actually do a word count estimate? Your note didn't indicate that (rather stating only that it was "novel length in every edition it appears in". Please contact them and have them comment here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:37, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I only contacted 1 PV because they're the only active one, as I explained in my note to Taweiss where I said YOU'RE THE ONLY ACTIVE PV. Also, a word count is unnecessary because every edition on ISFDB has a page count for "Blue World" well above a novella as described on ISFDB's Wiki for what constitutes novella-length. It's probably just the usual where it was called a novella when originally entered and then copied without anyone actually noticing it's novel-length. Thanks for fixing this, Username. You're welcome. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:09, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Keep in mind that using page count to estimate the word count depends greatly on the font size, margin size, page size, and other things. Additionally, the page counts are referring to the collection it appears in. I don't see any instance where ''Blue World'' has appeared all by itself in any volume. Our listings show only appearances in collections. And while the page counts for this story (ranging from about 133-199) seem to indicate it's likely over 40,000 words, until Taweiss responds, we don't have any way to know. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:26, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Sorry for the delay. Traveling for work. With a length of 174 pages, and around 50K works, it's a novel. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 08:58, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::No worries. Thanks for chiming in. The submission has been approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:38, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Freebird? ==<br />
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What was the purpose of posting a link to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiCZFhEpRDI this YouTube clip], which I have removed from the Community Portal? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:17, 31 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I see that you are back, creating submissions and responding on Talk pages. I have put your last batch of submissions on hold. Please answer the question above. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:00, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I'm not back; the Talk page I responded to was for a question I asked nearly 9 months ago which the PV, Chavey, finally answered by asking me for a link to the record I was asking about instead of just typing the title himself, so I provided him that link; the Shroud Magazine submissions were just a passing fancy while checking my recently approved edits and noticing that the contents of most Shroud issues are on Philsp.com, including 1 short story in the same issue as the essay I imported recently, which led me to import it (and changing the date to match) and then, as usual, going the extra mile by importing 3 Derek M. Fox essays I noticed were never imported, either (someone imported a 4th Fox essay years ago and varianted it because I became 1; I don't know if that's correct so someone else will have to decide about that). I'm not doing my usual dozens/100+ edits a day for the foreseeable future, but if I feel the need to add something here and there I will. The title of the YouTube clip explains itself. God Bless America, Impeach Biden, Trump 2024. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:09, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for the explanation. I have released the hold on the submissions.<br />
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::: Let me reiterate and clarify what I said [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Fantlab on your Talk page back in April] and then again [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Gorey on Annie's Talk page on October 29]. The ISFDB is a strictly bibliographic project. Some of our contributors are from countries which were at war with each other not so long ago. We have contributors from across the ideological spectrum. If we were to allow politics on Wiki pages, the project would implode. For these reasons political statements are not allowed here. Please keep this in mind and act accordingly going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:59, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Buzzelli's [A] Gift of Evil ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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Could you double check the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?823891 this] publication. Both Reginald3 and Worldcat have the title as "A Gift of Evil". I'll be adding the external IDs for those two sources. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Reginald also notes Roman numbered pages through xi, though Worldcat does not. If you could verify that as well, it would be appreciated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:51, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: It's Gift of Evil on front and back covers, title and copyright pages, and every left-hand page in the book; the Prologue starts on vii and ends on xi. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:56, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I updated the page count. I also added a note about the discrepancy with the secondary sources which will hopefully prevent someone else from asking you the same question again. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:56, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Screwup ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5147311 this submission]: The Internet Archive [https://archive.org/details/maddogsummerothe00joer/page/n9/mode/2up scan] of the hc anthology shows the title as "Screwup" (both on TOC and title page). Is there a specific version you believe is "Screw Up"? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:37, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The scan is of Lansdale's collection; the anthology is 'Til Death Do Us Part, which is on Google Books; I believe I provided a link in 1 of those edits, but I can't rightly recall 'cause it's been so long. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:47, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Your edit would change the collection and not the anthology. Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5147310 prior edit], would create a new record for the anthology, but that cannot be edited until it is accepted. You were changing the original record which would remain the one for the collection. I have accepted the unmerge, rejected the title change, changed the new record for anthology, and varianted them together. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:06, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Dude, that was a quality stream of info there. I'll take your word for it that everything's correct now, so thanks. Variants are my kryptonite. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:23, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Boy Scouts Year Book of Ghost and Mystery Stories ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5157750 this submission]: Thank you for finding this. For a number of the authors being changed, these were the only stories in the database for them and the author records had data. Due to how the software works, that would have resulted in the existing author records and their data being deleted and new ones created. To not loose the existing author data, I edited the author records instead. As I wasn't sure how this would impact your submission, I duplicated the changes in another edit vs. approving yours. Long winded way of saying, I had to reject your edit, but not because there was anything wrong - just an artifact of how the software handles author name changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:42, 25 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: OK. EDIT: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1622565; I think that note isn't needed anymore since title was fixed; "Riddle of Bat Cove" gets no hits on Google while "Riddle of Bat Cave" gets a few hits; also this one: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1622555, where title was also fixed. EDIT: I just went ahead and did some cleaning up of notes, but whoever entered them had trouble keeping them uniform, with some including a name, a few including alternate names, some having no names, and eventually just getting tired of using the word "appeared". It was messy, but I think I cleaned up most of it; however, you may have to fix a few things in those stories where alternate names are entered; I noticed Whitfield's story had an empty record for Raoul, while Raoul F. was filled in. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:05, 25 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::Edits accepted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:23, 26 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Psychic Fair ==<br />
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What are you trying to achieve with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5164235 this edit]? You are unmerging all the contents which would leave a blank record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:02, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: George M. O'Har published the PB Psychic Fair and then many years later it was reprinted but he dropped the M. Whoever entered these new editions didn't variant them to his full name and 1 edition was in the same record as the original while the other was standalone. I varianted the standalone and I think that's OK, but I thought the edition merged with the original had to be unmerged first before varianting it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:17, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::In looking at it some more, the Vivisphere Publishing edition still under George M. O'Har was a duplicate (same ISBN, same format, same date, same price, etc.) of the other. I deleted it. We should be all good now, but let me know if I missed something. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:37, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162842; I had a similar situation with a stray on some other book recently and a couple of mods had to decide how to fix it; I guess you know if this one needs fixing, too. After that, I guess this is all done. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:41, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::::{{A|George O'Har|162842}} needed to be made an alternate name of {{A|George M. O'Har|5046}}. Fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:15, 5 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== When You Look Down to Find Yourself Going But Not Yet Gone ==<br />
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There were no notes included with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5189192 this submission] for changing the date. The publication is PVd by [[User talk:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]], too, and I don't see any indication this change was discussed. The submission is on hold until you discuss the change with the PV and provide a reason for the change. I'll keep an eye here for that. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:10, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Because the book the poems were first published in, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263421, which is mentioned 8 times in the link I provided, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2004/t20.htm#A380, when I imported them, has that date on ISFDB. Also, PV doesn't respond anymore; http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:58, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Then please mention that. Just providing a link doesn't mean what's obvious to you will be obvious to anyone else. In this case, there are well over 100 poems listed at that link, so it's really not obvious what you are trying to do. If you make it easier for anyone working on approving your submissions, things will go much more quickly and smoothly. We shouldn't have to come pester you for information you could easily include in a moderator note.<br />
::As for Mhhutchins, yes, he no longer responds to posts on his talk page, but he suggests to either email him or post about major changes on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]], neither of which you did (as far as I can tell). Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:31, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover for Dime Novel Roundup ==<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5206557 submission] to add a cover scan to ''Dime Novel Roundup''. The image that you are entering is certainly the cover for the paperback edition. Do you have any source that the hardcover had a jacket with the same cover? While Open Library provides a link to the Internet Archive scan of the hardcover without a jacket, they do not specify which edition their record is for. I was aware of this image when I entered the record, but I couldn't find any image of the hardcover edition with a dust jacket. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:19, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: https://www.worldcat.org/title/dime-novel-roundup-annotated-index-1931-1981/oclc/9649579/editions?referer=di&editionsView=true; all editions with covers have the same one. I don't know if that's proof, but other Bowling Green publications on ISFDB have same covers for HC and TP. If not enough, cancel. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:52, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Unfortunately, Worldcat frequently shows stock images that do not reflect the same edition as in the record. I actually think it is likely that the same image was used for the dust jacket, but without evidence we should probably leave the hardcover edition without a cover until one can be found. Amazon doesn't show a cover for the hardcover, nor does the copy available on ABE books. You could clone this pub and create a record for the paperback with the image. However since the Open Library record isn't specific to any edition, I wouldn't list it in either publication record. You could list it as a link in the title record though. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:37, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: You're right; problem is I stopped caring about any of this long ago and am only continuing to edit to pass the time in a productive way instead of far worse things I could be doing. I've tried to leave several times, as I've explained somewhere on these boards before, but circumstances keep getting in the way. My goal is to eventually stop regular editing and only add an occasional edit now and then to keep me from getting the dreaded "no longer active" designation. The way things are going in the world now, especially in America where I live, this whole silly internet thing may be a thing of the past soon, anyway. You still seem to care, so if you want to do any of the things you mentioned above, be my guest. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:15, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ian McKellen ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5209791 this submission]: Do you have a source for the author of the essay being the actor? Or are you just basing it on being the same name? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The image is Ian McKellen starring in the film Apt Pupil, based on the work by Stephen King. He played a former Nazi, thus the uniform. This, https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780753461075, mentions it's the guy who played Gandalf who wrote the intro. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:33, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Outlaws of the Moon ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5210829 this edit]? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:23, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The other edition by this publisher has the same cover; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3466. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:42, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::When using a secondary source to add information (especially for a verified pub), the source must be stated in the pub notes. I have accepted the edit & added the note. In the future, please add the note. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:05, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: The PV of the edition with no cover artist, Bluesman, hasn't been active for years, so it's not like I could contact him and say, "Hey, I'm importing a cover art credit into your book because you didn't bother to check the other covers on ISFDB and notice there's another edition with the same art as your PV'd copy"; I just checked, and Bluesman entered the American edition, too, so why he didn't know who did the cover for the Canadian edition is a mystery), and the cover art credit says the art is a variant of the Perry Rhodan art, so writing that in the notes seems redundant. But you must know best because you're a moderator. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:17, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Documenting secondary sources in pub notes is required per our rules. If you believe a varianted cover art record is sufficient documentation, you are welcome to start a [[Rules and standards discussions]] to change the current rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:25, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::: Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:33, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Bus ==<br />
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Hello. Concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5213606 your submissoin]. For non-fiction collections that are wholly non-fiction, we tend to record these as NONFICTION, and not as COLLECTION if I am not mistaken. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type Title Type] rules that says, ''This type should be used for books that are predominantly or completely non-fiction'', and ''A publication that contains both non-fiction and fiction should be typed by that which is predominant.'' You may want to ask a 2nd opinion though. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:52, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
: The collection and anthology types require fiction; a non-fiction book is recorded as NONFICTION in the DB regardless if it is one complete text or a collection/anthology of essays and/or reviews and/or interviews (the difference can be noted in the Title notes and for the ones which contain smaller independent pieces, the contents is appreciated if someone wants to type the titles/authors). We also record all art books as NONFICTION (then the contents will be INTERIORART); a collection/anthology of cartoons (if eligible at all) will also be NONFICTION. This specific one is not eligible IMO - the author is not above treshold, the magazine where they were published is not genre (so we cannot even claim that it is a collection of art we already have in the DB (even though that is not technically a reason for a book to be eligible either) so it falls under the "comics, manga and so on" exclusion... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:22, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Per above, I rejected your submission, and deleted the publication record. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:14, 6 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Tomorrow Log ==<br />
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What is your source for the inclusion of the essay [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5197607 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:51, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover for ''The Devil Takes a Holiday'' ==<br />
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I have put [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5216618 this submission], which would change a "sf-encyclopedia.uk" URL to a "x.sf-encyclopedia.com" URL, on hold. As I mentioned earlier, "x.sf-encyclopedia.com" are new and we need guidance from SFE before we can decide what to do with them. It's possible that SFE is in the midst of migrating all of their image URLs as part of a move to "sf-encyclopedia.com". If that is the case, then we may need to change all of our SFE URLs programmatically rather than hunting them done one at a time.<br />
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I have asked their Web admin about this issue and hope to hear from him tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 21:53, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The software behind yellow warnings has been updated. As before, only links to /clute/, /langford/ and /robinson/ sub-directories are allowed for both sf-encyclopedia.com and sf-encyclopedia.uk. All of their URLs require the currently used "|" syntax. I have removed the hold from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5216618 your submission]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:48, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The First Americans: Beyond the Sea of Ice ==<br />
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What is the source of the date you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5215870 here]. No notes or other information was included with the submission. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:54, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: 1987 first edition on ISFDB has that exact date; this, https://archive.org/details/beyondseaofice00sara, the twentieth printing or so, still has the same 1987 cover art copyright. They used the same art over and over again. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::Okay, thanks. In the future, if you put that information in the moderator note, that will speed things up. Approved! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:32, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Gray Matter ==<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5230813 submission] to change the story Gray Matter into an excerpt. Both FictionMags and Locus1 indicate that it is a story. What is your evidence that it was an excerpt from the authors subsequent novel? Is it possible that the story was later expanded into a novel? If the latter, it should probably remain as a story. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:37, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/graymatter.htm. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:39, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Magazine Serials ==<br />
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I approved your edits to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?957962 Medusa's Head]'' earlier today. However, I removed the links to the scans of the original magazine serials. They really didn't belong in the Appleton publication record as they refer to a different publication of the novel. For example, we don't link to the scans of Burroughs' serializations of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?21883 A Princess of Mars]'' in any of its book publications. It would have been OK to add them to the title record. However, a better solution is to add the three issues of Harper's as non-genre magazines and link to the individual scans there. I've done this adding each scan to the appropriate issue. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:28, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Neil deGrasse Tyson ==<br />
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Hi. Just wanted to let you know that there's a bit more involved than changing the author's name as you've submitted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5237803 here]. Since De Grasse had been chosen as canonical author name, but there are only publications with deGrasse, the canonical name needs to be switched to deGrasse. To do that, the deGrasse titles need to be unvarianted from their De Grasse parent title, parent title is to be deleted, which results in the deGrasse titles being left. Then variant the Portuguese title to the English original (and I've also updated the deGrasse author record with the information available from the De Grasse record), and we're all set. Not sure if this is the most efficient way, but it got it done. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?276399 here] - have a look and let me know this is the result you intended. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:56, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: OK. Honestly I've done so many edits since this one I forgot I did it, but since your explanation was complicated and over my head I'm sure it's correct. At least my feeble attempt spurred someone else to do it right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:04, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Audrey's Private Haunts ==<br />
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I've put [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5258099 this edit] on hold. Please contact the [[User talk:Chavey|Chavey]] and have him check the title page for that story which is not shown in the Fantlab scans. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:55, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== First Channel ==<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5254672 This submission] has been placed on hold as I cannot see where you've asked the two active PVs ([[User talk:Chavey|Chavey]] and [[User talk:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]]) to verify the publisher name change you want to do. Please invite them to comment here to verify this change. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:32, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Like the Hodgson book below, I barely remember this, but I think I changed it because of the note editor left that says PLAYBOY PAPERBACKS. Also, https://www.ebay.com/itm/233000922106, which says the same on spine and copyright/title pages. I'm tired of contacting people who never respond or respond after a really long time or after they've been in and out of the hospital multiple times, which seems to be a situation shared by many of the mods. I think Chavey was gone for a long time and when he came back and responded to something I wrote him he was unpleasant and it didn't go well. I don't remember anything about the other guy, but I really have lost interest. You can accept the proof in the eBay link or contact them yourself or cancel it, I don't care. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:14, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Seriously, let's try to work together here. You get all offended every time someone asks questions about one of your edits. The vast majority of the time, you're simply misinterpreting the text interactions here as someone being unpleasant to you. We're all trying to work to improve the site, so please start giving others the benefit of the doubt. As for the ebay link, if you had included that in your submission, I wouldn't have asked you about it. As it is, your note to the moderators was "OL ID, fixed publisher". Next time, please include your sources. It makes things go much more smoothly and quickly. Thank you for your future cooperation on this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:40, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: I don't think I was offended; to be offended I'd have to care. I was merely expressing how hard it is to remember 1 of these edits when I've done hundreds since then. I don't think I even saw that eBay link until a few minutes ago because it was obvious from the logo on the cover and especially the editor's note where they actually said who the publisher is. Your message prompted me to find it, so thanks. Actually, in recent days if a mod has a problem with 1 of my edits I just cancel it rather than bother trying to remember anything, since there's a hundred other edits I could be doing; I'm not sure why I didn't do that in your case; guess I forgot. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:51, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Just a correction; while doing some edits this morning I came across something that jogged my memory; it was Mhhutchins, not Chavey, who was gone for a long time and then was unpleasant to me when he came back. I've spoken to Chavey a few times, judging by a search for my name on his board, and while a little snippy with his answers sometimes has certainly never given me a problem. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:10, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Horrors from Haunted Seas ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5262432 This submission] has been placed on hold because you didn't include any explanation for your edits. You're changing page count without any stated reason, you removed a link to Archive.org which appears to be a valid link. You also removed part of the note which explained the subtitle only appeared on the cover; the Archive.org link you removed seems to support that note. When you make changes like that, you should always include an explanation for your changes. Please provide the explanations here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:55, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't know; I've done so many edits since this one. I know prior editor entered partial contents years ago and I entered the rest recently, then after it was approved I noticed the page count in the Archive book didn't match ISFDB's so I changed it with a note about differing page counts on different Amazon pages, because prior editor got their info back in 2012 from Amazon which came from 1 of those pages with the wrong page count. I'll just cancel this edit; I barely have any interest anymore to enter new edits, much less go back and try figuring out what went wrong with old ones; what likely happened is I entered the new edit while others were being approved and some info got swallowed up/corrupted, which has happened before. Maybe I'll try to figure out what went wrong and enter a new edit. EDIT: I cancelled old edit and entered a new one. Who knows if everything is right now; it's all so confusing. I wonder now how many of my other edits may have been screwed up after entering them and nobody noticed, sitting there with missing/wrong info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:36, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::The new one has been approved. Thanks for submitting the updated edit. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:43, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Eric Linklater Stories ==<br />
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What are the sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5269320 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5269390 this]? In both cases, the pub notes state "Only stories reviewed in Bleiler, below, have been listed". With your edits, those notes would not longer be valid. When you make a change to a pub that invalidates the pub notes, you need to also change the pub notes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:17, 27 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Little Green Book of Monster Stories ==<br />
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I have placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5267552 this submission] on hold. I can see that you included this in part of [[User talk:Ofearna#Crossroads|your message]] to Ofearna, but this one has a different publisher (Macabre Ink) that is not mentioned in your discussion. Since you didn't include any useful notes (just "fixed pub."), and your discussion with Ofearna doesn't discuss this specific change from Macabre Ink to Crossroad Press, I don't know why you are changing this one. Please clarify. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:49, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: This has been sitting on my edit list for a very long time; I've done a thousand edits since then. I remember that several books entered as by Crossroads were actually by Crossroad, so I fixed those; I must have had a reason to change this one, too, but can't remember anymore, so cancel if you want to. Also, I just changed the other Leodhas collection to an omnibus, but there's a stray Gaelic Ghosts; I don't know if that gets cleaned up or has to be done manually or what. You or someone else may want to look at Leodhas' record after that edit is approved to make sure everything is OK now. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:04, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::You really don't need to respond with how you've done a bazillion edits since submitting this (or any other) edit practically any time someone asks you about a specific submission. We all know you're amazing. I'll go ahead and decline this one since you have provided no valid reason for it. If you remember the reason for this one in the future, we can always undecline it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:12, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hey Joe, if you're having a bad day that's your problem; don't cop an attitude with me. The reason I mention how many edits I've done is because when someone like you asks me to remember a minor fix like this one it's tough because I've done so many minor and major edits since then remembering something like this isn't easy; if I were like many other editors here who barely contribute or only concentrate on one specific area then I'm sure it's easy to remember, but someone like me who makes edits for countless different areas can't be expected to remember something from weeks ago when one of you finally gets around to approving it. It only stands to reason that in the enormous amount of edits I do every week a few will be dropped here and there; I don't really expect every single one to be approved. Rather than waste my time you and the other mods should be finding out why ISFDB is so slow, both on my laptop and at my local library; maybe those robots that Ahasuerus was talking about recently somewhere that were screwing with the site and making thousands of illegal pings still need fixing. As I've mentioned several times recently, I've been planning to leave here for months but personal/world issues keep getting in the way; if the huge number of edits I still do every week is any indication, imagine how much more I could do if I actually cared anymore. P.S. And yes, I am amazing. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:27, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::Quality over quantity, pal. --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 04:04, 26 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::Rosab618: Your comment is not helpful. Please refrain from making unproductive comments such as this. Thank you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:06, 26 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The National Review Treasury of Classic Children's Literature ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5288958 this submission]: I'm in process of updating this record (adding the interior art, etc.) based on the second printing and then I will clone a new record for the second printing. I'm probably won't be able to finish until later today so may look incomplete for awhile. Letting you know in case you come back to it so we don't step over each other. I will also enter Volume 2 that Internet Archive has. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:48, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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OK. For such a major anthology the info online is a mess, but there apparently was a Volume 2, https://www.worldcat.org/title/national-review-treasury-of-classic-childrens-literature/oclc/56722009, which they didn't separate properly on WorldCat; the contents for V. 2 start after "The brownies' good work". --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:07, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantômas ==<br />
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Two notes on your edit to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?398181 Fantômas]''. The listed LCCN number is legitimate. If you click through, you'll see it returns the correct record. The price as "35 cent." is given in centimes, which is 1/100th of a franc. I've updated the price accordingly. We use francs just as we use dollars for US price given in cents. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:32, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mountains and Madness ==<br />
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I'm curious to know why you replaced the cover image of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18555] with an arguably worse one than that one I scanned and uploaded to ISFDB. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:42, 14 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I saw discussion about this book and discovered the title was different inside the book, so I added note about that, and fixed incorrect date some editor made in the note about the cover art; I suppose, when I found the copy on Open Library, I replaced the cover because that's the copy I got the info from, plus the colors are sharper and likely closer to what the physical book cover would have looked like; but it doesn't really matter, so I just went to the Wiki and replaced OL cover with yours again, so it'll be approved soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:15, 14 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Just a Suggestion ==<br />
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When documenting a source, considerer simplifying the audit trail. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?219201 Seeing Red] for example. Your note requires knowledge of the internet archive, accessing it, then navigating to the proper page. A link in the webpages can takes the user directly to the information. I'll leave it to you to decide if the note is still necessary. You add a great deal of information, a good audit trail does not require you to remember specific edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:24, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deadliest of the Species ==<br />
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I have put this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5305517 submission] on hold temporarily. You need to contact [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Nowickj Nowickj] and ascertain that his publication is the first edition. If it is not, then you should clone and create one. Either way, consider making 'Vox13' the publisher. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Cancelled and redone with just OL ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:15, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:38, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Nail in the Coffin ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5303417 Source] please. I'm not doubting the validity of your information. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 23:00, 3 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: It's from the Fall 2003 Speculative Literature Issue of Descant, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2003/t71.htm#A3356, which contains nearly 30 stories, most not on ISFDB, plus many essays. I'm not adding a note for this story because that issue should be entered on ISFDB, and there's already way too many notes on ISFDB where editors said where the story first appeared when the publication they first appeared in is right there on the page. I used to delete those, hundreds probably, until a certain moderator complained about it, so I don't do that anymore. If you want to enter that huge issue, be my guest. If not, just cancel my edit. EDIT: I just realized I did add a note, just not where info came from. Ah, forget it. I'll just cancel it; if anyone ever enters that issue they'll know where it came from. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:30, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: No need to cancel it, I think the statement 'first published' requires a source. We often see where a story was 'previously published', that doesn't necessarily mean it was the first publication. A fine point to be sure.[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:09, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?956885 This] is what I had in mind. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:21, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: This notion where a story first appeared was established because this whole thing started not with the first publications (and that you are informed about the notes upon merging titles is a not so very old feature). Hope thatr explains why these do still crop up en masse. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:47, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I've entered the issue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?897388 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Jay Lake story has August note, if you trust that as right month. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:13, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Updated. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:29, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Strange Pleasures 2 ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5308028 Your submission].<br />
According to the supplied OL link & Amazon.com. The correct publication date is 2003-05-01. Change the publication date not the title date. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:42, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I cancelled it and made new edit with just OL ID and replaced cover image; there's no month in the book and no note about where PV, Prof. beard, got it from, or whoever entered it, but since some of the story dates are August the book obviously wasn't published in May; also August here, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2003/t20.htm#A951. But if you want to find him and ask him go ahead, or discuss it on the message boards. Also, me and the person who PV'd this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19457, submitted edits around the same time; you rejected my updating of the date because they'd already done it, but somehow both our cover artist were entered, so you'll have to decide which one can be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:08, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: The pub was originally entered correctly by BLongley 2008-12-26. Subsequently the title date was changed. (probably because Amazon shows that date). When Prof beard PV'd the pub, I doubt he even noticed the title date. Regardless, I approved your new submission and added a pub note referencing Locus. Daughter of Darkness is also taken care of. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:48, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Yellow Sign'' introduction date ==<br />
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This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5312068 submission] proposes to assign the introduction a date of September 2000, but the publication in which it first appeared is dated July 2000. That dating was done after your submission, and from the pub notes, it appears to be correct. Your submission does not include a source for the September date. I think the current July 2000 date is appropriate and am going to reject the submission, but please review and submit something else if you think July is wrong. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:53, 14 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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I submitted an earlier edit for this book which was approved, and then this one to change the intro to September because it didn't have a month; month entered by earlier editor was wrong, it clearly says July in the Archive copy, so where they got September from is unknown, but whoever worked on this book after me obviously caught the right date on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:17, 14 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== MacGregor[h] in ''Stories from the Near-Future'' ==<br />
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In this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5313022 submission], where did you find the credit as "MacGregor"? The Look Inside TOC shows it as "MacGregorh". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:05, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: MacGregor on copyright page and search says same on p. 43. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:09, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Many Deaths of Cole Parker ==<br />
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Was the story length [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3039653 here] from the note on the author's website, or some other source? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:19, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: That bookscxyz site I mentioned somewhere here recently has a downloadable .epub and when I printed it out it ran like 130-something pages, or checking the Google Books copy would probably run the same count, but if he mentioned it on his site, too, great. It might even be a short novel, if anyone ever cares to do a word count of the print edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:18, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding partial contents ==<br />
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When adding partial contents to a publication, please include the incomplete template. The publication will no longer show up on the cleanup report once it has any content entered. The incomplete template alerts us that there is still missing content. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:30, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: You didn't mention which book you're referring to, and honestly hardly anyone ever follows up any edits I do, so I'm basically working solo here; I usually complete my own incomplete entries eventually. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:21, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I didn't mention the publiscation ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391878 Beach Blanket Zombie: Weird Tales of the Undead & Other Humanoid Horrors]), because I went ahead and added the template. I was just reminding you for future reference. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:35, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Long Last Call ==<br />
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Take a second look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5322340 this submission]. Do we really have 2 novels in this one publication? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:34, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: As with many later Leisure books, they added bonus short stories or novellas to the main novel, and in this case while it mentions the bonus novella "Conscience" at the bottom of the cover, ISFDB classifies it as a novel because of page length or whatever the criteria is, so yes, it's 2 novels, with 1 being much shorter than the other. EDIT: Instead of creating new topics I'm just going to mention these here: the Amok cover you rejected because ISFDB doesn't credit designers as cover artists, which I certainly know, doesn't fit with the fact that 3 other Amok editions have that person credited as cover artist, so I assume, as in many cases, the designer also did the artwork. Regardless, it makes no sense to have 1 edition with no cover artist but 3 others with the same cover with a credited cover artist, so it would make more sense to approve my edit or remove the cover credit from the other 3. Also, as with many small-press collections such as Stuart Young's Spare Parts, they include stories from obscure publications not on ISFDB, in this case very many, so I detailed those stories' histories on the main title page of the collection. There's no reason to include the same info for those individual stories in their separate records, and something also went wrong with one of your entries because the edit/edit history buttons are next to the story title instead of all the way on the right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:43, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for alerting me to the problem with 'Face at the Window'. Apparently an angle bracket got inserted into the title, fixed now. Notes regarding a story's publishing history belong in the story title, not a publication title. If I had any reason to look at the publication title record, I would have told you to move them rather than doing it myself. While these stories haven't been nor may never appear in another publication, the notes still belong on the individual titles. My rejection of the Amok cover based on the current PV's note is correct. I have reached out to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Boskar Boskar] for confirmation before removing the credit from the other three. Ultimately, all will be handled the same. Interestingly, Boskar initially entered the earliest printing, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Stonecreek Stonecreek] edited it and then cloned the other two publications. Focus the 'Username radar' and help me find a word count for 'Conscience'. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:00, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Santraí ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326383 This submission]. Why variant/ If they are identical, merge. Perhaps I'm missing something. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Seat of Inspiration ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326387 This submission]. If you look at the copyright page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?899761 Eros Interruptus] it credits the earlier printing in 'The Urbanite, #6' as 'Seat of Inspiration'. I think 'Seat of Inspirations' is a typo. Cancel your variant, submit a merge with the above reason in note to mod. post here that it is submitted and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:52, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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On closer inspection, looks like you entered the contents for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61657 The Urbanite, #6]. If it wasn't a typo, tell me and I'll approve the variant. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:05, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Is it a data entry typo or not? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:18, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I don't think I entered the contents, just the page #'s. Cacek's story titles are a mess, so unless someone can see a copy of that Urbanite issue it's hard to tell what the title was there, so I guess this should be cancelled until someone can verify and merge or variant as needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:24, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Since we aren't sure, the safest course is to variant. We can always merge if a copy surfaces. Your submission is approved. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:37, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Currency Symbols ==<br />
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In the future, please use the correct currency symbols; even in notes like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5328557 this one]. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:48, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I enter additional prices in Notes exactly the way they appear in/on the book, whether that's full or abbreviated country name or currency. If a book actually had an A, C, etc. in front of the price I'd enter it that way, but most don't. The idea is to enter info as it appears originally, not the way we feel it should look like. It's pointless to enter a C in front of a Canadian price when the word Canada precedes it; of course, if I enter a main price in the price field then it needs an A, C, etc. in front of it because those prices are displayed when searching; notes don't show unless someone goes to the specific record for the publication itself. If you like entering those letters in notes, to each their own. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:58, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: If you want to change our policy, feel free to start a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions Rules and standards discussion]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:18, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::This is one of the few cases where we standardize things. Please use the symbols and abbreviations as noted [[Help:List of currency symbols|here]], both in the currency field and in notes. Thank you! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:59, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Coal Black ==<br />
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Hi. Why'd you add the image [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337624 here]? Isn't it the same one that was already there? --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:17, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I see your 2 edits in the history and my edit uploading the cover to the Wiki because there's no image on ISFDB-linked sites; the Wiki only has my name as the uploader, but there's been several times recently where I uploaded a new, better cover to replace an old one and it didn't do that because the URL of the image was slightly different than the old URL, and a mod needed to fix everything to make the image go to the right page so it will show up on the book's record. If you uploaded an image it might be on another Wiki page, if that's what you're talking about. The wait times have been getting longer lately for approvals, so there's a lot of cross-editing where an editor enters something and by the time it's approved a self-mod or mod has already entered it themselves. The image is there in the record, so it seems to be OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:33, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
::On the 9th, I added to the record the image you uploaded. (Where did you find it, by the way?) I didn't upload one myself.<br />
::You don't see the image on the Wiki? That's strange. It's there.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:46, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Now that you mention it, I recall that after you asked me where I found it a few days ago (I think it came from here, http://www.alephbet.com/pdf/cat101-web.pdf; searching Google Images for the title and author's last name brings the image up, which is the only one I saw online that looked good, unlike the AbeBooks and Amazon ones), I noticed you made a couple of edits or something similar and I wondered what that was about. The Wiki has my name and a June 9 date, so I think it's that cross-editing thing I mentioned where you approved your edit adding my image from the Wiki to the record and then my edit doing the same was approved. The cover image is there, anyway, so I don't think anything else needs to be done, except adding OCLC ID, 2468107, which you should do since you can approve it. Price is missing, but unless someone finds a copy that will remain empty. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:02, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: There's actually a searchable Google Books copy, and by searching for author's name it showed the back cover which mentioned his place of birth and by searching for "seven dudes" it showed the title on the flap with the price next to it. So I've entered 2 edits for those, and I think everything that can be done for this book has been done now. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:20, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rubicon Beach ==<br />
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I've placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337954 this submission] on hold as you haven't followed PV procedures. The only thing that concerns me is the change in price. As the 2 and 7 are not near each other anywhere on the keyboard, it's unlikely it was a typo on the part of the PV, so we need to have them make sure that's the price in their copy. Since this editor hasn't done anything for about a year, please post on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard]] so the change can be discussed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:55, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Across Paris and Other Stories ==<br />
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I approved your changes, but I question whether [https://img.fantasticfiction.com/images/c0/c1075.jpg this image] is better than the [https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81jw+QokP8L.jpg previous image]. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:09, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I did notice the same thing you did, so it wouldn't bother me if someone reverted or found an even better one; it's not like it's a rare book with a very hard-to-find cover. EDIT: I see now that I added the cover from Fantastic Fiction; 1 OL link has no cover and the other has a bright image but with a sticker on it. So if you're going to replace it you'll have to go to some other site, assuming you're not just going to revert to the old one. What's funny, though, is that the OL page with the stickered cover links to an Archive copy with no jacket while the OL page with no cover links to an Archive copy with the stickered cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:32, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasyworld ==<br />
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I approved your submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13194 Fantasyworld], but I removed the cover art credit since it was just a photo. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Dude, I don't know what happened here, but the Michael Trevillion Fantasyworld credit has no book under it and this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5341881, shows I entered the artist's name where it's supposed to be; a few minutes ago the FantLab link was just that, but now that I checked again his picture is there. So I don't know what's up but I entered everything properly as far as I can tell; I don't know what happened after that. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:46, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: The empty title record has been deleted. The problem isn't how you entered it, but that it is merely a photo and we do not give cover art credit for a photo. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:41, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''An Exercise for Madmen'' ==<br />
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I hope the title isn't a commentary on ISFDB activity.... For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5340813 this submission], did you mean to remove the Open Library link or only add the WorldCat link? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:26, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My previous edit adding OL ID, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5340686, was approved recently but I made another one adding WorldCat ID and, because ISFDB has a problem with multiple entries, the 2nd edit thought I wanted to replace the 1st ID with another one instead of putting it in the next ID field. This has happened many times and I'm sure some info I've entered has been lost because later entries screw up previous ones. Mods or self-mods can approve their edits and then do additional edits but people like me have to wait, sometimes for a long time, for edits to be approved and I don't always remember that I made an edit for a book earlier that hasn't been approved yet. Someone should look into updating the software or whatever so people can make several edits for the same book and have new info added instead of replacing the old info. So yes, both ID should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:37, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::OK, thanks. I accepted it and restored the OL ID. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 22:25, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mulengro: A Romany Tale ==<br />
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I approved the edit, but what is page number 'fp' in this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193329 publication]? This is not one of the <i>Special designations</i>. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:39, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I asked about this on Moderator board, so we'll see what they think. Also, you made an edit after mine, "added link because the link in the previous edit note to moderator was the wrong jpg". It wasn't really the wrong one; I added Gorman's intro and Sproule's frontispiece and the photo shows both of those, so that's why I added it in note to mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:47, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: When I followed your link it only showed the frontispiece and the title page. I added the link to the scan of the limitation page to support your note. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:55, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Poe's Lighthouse ==<br />
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Please doublecheck the OL number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5347679 this submission]. Are you sure it shouldn't be OL8825435M ? Thanks. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:05, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't think so. The OL I added links to an archived copy; ISBN is the same on copyright page, price is the same on front flap, etc. Your OL leads to a record which has no Archive link. I provide OL ID because I don't like linking directly to Archive.org as much (most?) of the non-public domain material isn't really supposed to be there. I do rarely link to a non-archived OL record if there's something on it unusual, but that's not the case here. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:16, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== UK prices during decimalization ==<br />
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I'm approving [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5347842 your edit] to ''Hands of the Ripper''. However, as mentioned [[User talk:Username#British Books with two prices|above]] that during the period of decimalization, the price field should reflect the pre-decimal (shillings and pence) price. I'll correct your edit accordingly. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:15, 29 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: OK, but the thing is that there are 21 Sphere books from 1971 here, 19 of which have prices, and only 5 of those have the old prices. So other editors weren't sure how to enter them, either. I'll see if I can fix any of them; maybe you can, too, if you wish. EDIT: I remembered this related topic, http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Pre_and_Post_decimal_UK_prices, where others seemed to suggest the opposite was correct. EDIT: I switched old price from note to price field for Pan's 1969 Moon Zero Two after coming across it randomly. I have a feeling there are thousands of others that would need the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 29 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rakefire and Other Stories ==<br />
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Will you add a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?784806 Rakefire and Other Stories] stating the source of the content? I was able to confirm it but I don't know that you used the same source as I did. Ping here when you submit it and I will immediately approve it. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:40, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: There's already a note about data from Amazon and all the story titles and info about each story are there. This looks like a Fixer entry so I wouldn't expect a robot to notice that. If you want to specifically say where they came from you can do that; I don't know if the rule is to credit the reviewer by name, although he seems to have published the same exact lengthy review all over the web. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:46, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I see the review now. Honestly, it never would have occurred to me to look there, I never trust anything people post in those. In this case it is correct. I might tweak the note a bit. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:16, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Two Poems from Star*Line, May-June 1990 ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350644 this submission] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350651 this submission] until you get agreement from [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hkauderer Hkauderer]. I see your link for one of the submissions. Be patient, he stops by and will answer. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:21, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't know what he'd need to agree to, since the link I provided for the first poem shows the part I deleted was a dedication, not part of the poem's title, while the other poem I didn't include a link for is available at several places online as part of a sequence of poems and also clearly shows the deleted part is a dedication and not part of the title, but if you want to wait for him to say it was a mistake, OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:36, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: You are making changes to a verified publication. This verifier is quite familiar with speculative poetry. Obviously, he felt the dedications were part of the titles. It is up to you to reach agreement for any changes. If you don't care to communicate with him, let me know. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:01, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: If you say he's familiar, OK. I'll wait; if he agrees, fine, if not, I'll just cancel my edits. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:20, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Author Birthplace ==<br />
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When entering an author's birthplace, please follow [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:AuthorFields:BirthPlace these guidelines]. I added UK [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?328935 here]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:49, 5 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Summer Meadows ==<br />
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I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5354028 this submission] on hold. The only edition of 'The Summer Meadows' on Google Books is the paperback. That's where I see the $5.95 price using search inside. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:30, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: https://books.google.com/books?id=UHxBAAAAIAAJ; I searched for 5.95 and it shows the price. All the early-mid 70's Delacorte books on ISFDB have HC prices the same or slightly lower or higher. Using advanced search here I found no Delacorte PB and the first TP is 1987. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:47, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/UHxBAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0; I'm looking at the record you reference, the format says paperback. Do you want me to ask another mod for a second opinion? I'm not offended. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:14, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Click the link I provided; it takes you to a page with a search box under the book's title page. Enter 5.95, and you should see $5.95 in the results, clearly on a book flap. It's a hardcover; As I said above, Delacorte published no paperbacks according to my search on ISFDB, and the first trade paperback was not until 1987. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:22, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: You totally ignore what I say, just repeat your previous statement. The only difference between what we are looking at is you are using google classic view and I'm looking at the new view which gives the book details. The new view does have the hc ISBN (044008444X), but format says Paperback. A contradiction. I have released the hold. Another mod can review it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:43, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I keep repeating what I said before because you're not getting what I'm saying. Delacorte, the publisher of The Summer Meadows, published zero paperbacks, or at least there are none on ISFDB. If you check Delacorte books on ISFDB you will see that all books published around the same date as this book are all hardcovers and all have the same price as this book or a little lower or higher depending on the page count or inflation or whatever. If there was a paperback edition of this book it would have a much lower price than $5.95, because mass-market paperbacks usually didn't cost nearly that much back then. And if the Google copy was a paperback then the price wouldn't be on a flap, it would be on the front or back cover like most paperbacks. Just because Google Books is confused doesn't make a difference; they're a huge mess just like every other book-related website, and have tons of wrong info. And the page I saw when I clicked your link looks completely different than the one I linked, and it says paperback on it, which mine doesn't, so I don't know what exactly you're looking at; maybe if you look at this, https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22the+summer+meadows%22, you'll find the same page I did. I'll mention this on the community board so this can be resolved quickly instead of waiting around for someone to get to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:59, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Requested report ==<br />
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You asked if there is a way to find the publications which have 'fp' in the page field. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Ahasuerus Ahasuerus] has modified the cleanup report [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?287 Publications with Invalid Page Numbers] to accomplish this for you. The report will be available tomorrow morning. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:08, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Unreals ==<br />
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I see you changed the format from tp to hc for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?478332 The Unreals]. I saw your note quoting the statement from the book. How do you explain Open Library, Google Books and Amazon all calling this a paperback? Also. here are two sale listings [https://www.ebay.com/itm/185393521738?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1mrjO3bUxRxePYbhCuSW-yA20&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-213727-13078-0&mkcid=2&itemid=185393521738&targetid=4581046489808873&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=&poi=&campaignid=418640322&mkgroupid=1239149842233245&rlsatarget=pla-4581046489808873&abcId=9300602&merchantid=51291&msclkid=77a6ba70a29e1f86e16cd8a01b0aa24e ebay] and [https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-unreals_donald-jeffries/1355990/?resultid=6265ae6a-69c8-40fd-998c-523871d7abc7#edition=5550403&idiq=33525694 thriftbooks] which both state the format is paperback. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't see your name in the edit history, so I'm not sure why you're so upset, but we here at ISFDB go by what the book says, and it says "hardcover". If anyone ever gets their hands on a physical copy with that ISBN and it turns out to really be a trade paperback it can always have the format changed back with a note saying the publisher made a mistake in their own book; it would hardly be the first time that's happened. Nothing online or in reference books is gospel; I've fixed countless mistakes that came from every one of those sources you mentioned. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:13, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Whether I'm on the edit history or not is irrelevant. Also, I'm hardly upset. I merely question the change. Do you really think it likely that both the sellers are also mistaken about the format? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:22, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: It's relevant because you didn't enter the format as TP, someone else did; if you were a PV then you'd know for sure if it's a TP. Also, I've seen many, many auctions where the seller just copied info from online but the photos of the book showed something different. As I said, the only way to verify this is finding a physical copy, and if it's really a TP reverting the format and adding an appropriate note. Then the question will be if there's a HC edition out there somewhere, or if the publisher scrapped plans to release one but forgot to change their copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:28, 15 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Internet Archive services ==<br />
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Hi, Concerning your latest note [[User talk:Pwendt#Doll Who Came Alive]], and the preceding, and some other 2022 contributions here at ISFDB Wiki, let me ask a general question: How do you use Archive.org for viewing protected content in "recent" books? Is it an institutional privilege (<s>such as I may have here, sitting inside a major university library building, a novelty for me in the last 30 months</s><font color=green>not this institution</font>)? <br />
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Or do you use this service which is available to everyone, or everyone in the USA or somewhere, with a "free account"?<br />
: | Log In and Borrow v | Renewable every hour, pending availability | (i)<br />
I suppose it is this widely available free service that you have in mind, for ISFDB users who will make use of the "archive.org" publication webpage to view or even print illustrations. Right?<br />
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Or something else (although the one hour will be adequate for many ISFDB data gathering purposes)?<br />
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For books with protected content I have used only the "Limited preview // Some pages are omitted." In my experience that shows several opening leaves only. Even the back and back inside bookcover or dustjacket is omitted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:07, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, there's a blue "borrow for 1 hour" button after you sign up which lets you view the entire book, and, if nobody else has it borrowed, you can keep clicking that button in case you need more than an hour. In this case, there's a weird black cover when you search for the book, but as soon as you turn to the first page the real cover is revealed, which doesn't look like the one already on ISFDB, even though the publisher is the same. I tend to stay away from these kids' books because they reprinted many of them so often it's hard to tell which edition is which, but you seem to have done some research judging by your notes, so I thought it would help in fixing some of it or adding more. Looking at it, the first thing I notice is that the page count is actually 76, not 75, because the last page of the story is unnumbered, so that's 1 thing to start with. I also see that the NY Times review of the 1942 edition cost $2, while this Archive edition has a $2.75 price, so it's not the original but probably not the 1972 edition on ISFDB because books cost more by that point. It's also an ex-library edition, and the first date stamped on the card at the back is '55, so that should help in narrowing down the date. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:23, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your notes on ''The Doll'' which I will consider later. I do have good access to historical newspapers and magazines, in my air-conditioned university library station --where I sit today but I have barely visited in 30 months.<br />
::: Back to the technical matter. Last hour I enrolled at Archive.org using email address and password and I borrowed ''The Eerie Book'' 1981 edition P{{p|487344}} for one hour. Today unable to give it much time, after one hour I did learn [a] what happens when/as time expires. <br />
::: [b] What do you make of this, at ''The Eerie Book'' 1981? Upon borrowing I learn there are 224 images, presumably 1 to 224 ... Now I visit what appears to be the back inside jacket flap, as "218 of 219"! Flip the page and see image "224" and last! That one doesn't look as I expect from the back bookcover or dustjacket. How do you interpret these last two images "218" and "224"? <br />
::: Today that's all I had time to view. But, yes, I do have the one-hour privilege now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:32, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Answer to your question concerning total no of pages ==<br />
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See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5379858 here for your question] - Answer: no, the same rules apply for all languages - looks like someone counted the three pages of advertisements and stuff. I've corrected the page no's to 157. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 05:59, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deathbringer ==<br />
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Per your note to moderators in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5376099 this submission]: Search on ISBN came up with the cover for the 2nd edition - see [https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30257088918&cm_sp=det-_-bsk-_-bdp]. Very difficult to read, but I'm fairly sure ISFDB cover scan of the first edition says 2246 in the right margin of the cover, whereas the AbeBooks scan says 2562 for the 2nd edition (same price for both editions, it seems) Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:47, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dragon Quintet ==<br />
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Hello. Can you provide source for these two (related) edits: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380430], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380431]? Thanks!<br />
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: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?31459; Don Erikson, the long-gone PV of the edition with the wrong cover credit, was one of the most common enterers of wrong info here; I can't count how many of his old edits I've had to correct. In this case, it's clear the Eggleton art is only on the Book Club edition while all the Tor editions use the same art, so I removed the wrong art credit and then imported the right one (Erikson also PV the Tor HC, so I assume he was just confused when he added the wrong info to the PB). There's no source, it's just a mistake I'm correcting, unless I'm missing something. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:57, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Oh, I see. Approved. (I may have to stop reviewing and approving submissions for today... :). Thanks, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:27, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:34, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Please revert edit for Kingsbane ==<br />
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Would you please revert this edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5381259] and remove the LCCN from External IDs? The note specifically says there is no valid LoC record which is why it doesn't belong as an external ID. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:19, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Not online, or not at all? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:39, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::My only LoC validation source is the LoC online lookup but I would think that should be sufficient. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:26, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:27, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Independence ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5382526 this submission]. I don't see any attempt to contact the PV. The notes clearly state that the publication date is from a secondary source (Amazon.com). I have no problem with editing the disambiguation of the 'Author's Note' if you wish to resubmit. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:11, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: MLB, as has been mentioned many times on these boards, has told me to just fix any minor mistakes because he made so many of them in his PV over the years that it's a waste of time contacting him about all of them. Also, most paperbacks wouldn't have the day of publication, Amazon uses the first day of the month when they don't know the exact date (could be the month before or after), and there's a later printing on Archive.org, https://archive.org/details/quantumleapindep0000peel, that says August on the copyright page. MLB wrote about both Amazon and the copyright page in his note, so I assume he just forgot to fix the date based on the actual book instead of Amazon. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:24, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Of course, the actual publication does not give the day. That is the reason MLB added the note. (OL also agrees). If the date is changed, then the August 1 date should be incorporated into the note. For ex: "Publication date 1996-08-01 per Amazon.com as of 2012-10-15'. I hate to throw away data. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:43, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Amazon has always had a habit, when they don't really know the publication date, to just use -01- for the day; OL's info is often just copied straight from Amazon. The book's date is on the copyright page, August 1996. The only reason to include Amazon's date is if the book wasn't available, but it is, because he PV it, and there's an Archive.org copy. If the book was one of those that listed the day in the date, and there are some (usually small-press) books that do, or a later printing that mentions the exact date of the earlier printing(s) then the day could be justifiably entered, but that's not the case here. You can ask about this on the boards if you want. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:55, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::Books rarely give the <b>actually day</b> that a book is printed. The date that you see on Amazon is the date that the book arrives, I think, in inventory. Compare dates, page count, and prices, with Barnes & Noble. You can find minute differences. If you want, just make minute changes when you need to. Besides, my brother, who was a fan of the show, absconded with a number of my <i>Quantum Leap</i> books, so I may not even have that book anymore. Typos are my kryptonite, thanks for paying attention. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:11, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:MLB MLB], thanks for chiming in. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:18, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Toast ==<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/toast_stross/mode/2up this archive.org link] is not for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?247813 2006 tp edition]. No page numbering, number of pages is incorrect, no cover illustration. This is most likely an e-book, self published by the author. I removed the link from my verified pub. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:46, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, it is by the author, as he explains in a note following the copyright page. It's also the only edition of Toast on Archive.org, and it does have the same ISBN as the 2006 TP and is the only expanded edition, and hardly anyone knows it's there judging by the fact that it was uploaded in 2015 but there's still less than 1,000 views, so I figured the best place to put it would be in your edition, but apparently not. So now I'll just put it in the title record; the most important thing is allowing people to read it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:09, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publication Links to scans ==<br />
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Hi Username<br />
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Please don't remove links to other scans when adding new scans, unless the original links are no longer active. I know that you prefer Open Library links to links directly to the Internet Archive, but that is no reason to overwrite existing links that have been previously added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:52, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: The Archive links I replaced were all added by me; if someone else had added them then I would have left them alone. The Luminist PDFs I've been adding lately are all fully readable and printable, unlike the Archive copies, unless you have a 14-day pass or whatever is needed, and then they encrypt them and people complain about them all the time and so on. It's fine with something like Dalby's Ghosts For Christmas, where I noticed that you approved my edit replacing Archive link with Luminist PDF and then added Archive link back immediately afterwards, since there's a slight possibility that the Luminist site might disappear off the web and the only readable copy would be on Archive, but I disagree with putting back those lousy Dark Shadows Archive links with their menu and Jane Austen URL that has nothing to do with the books themselves, but if you and other mods feel like adding all of those dozens of Archive links back, so be it. EDIT: I see you just approved my edit replacing the 2 Google Drive links (that I added some time ago) for The Elemental and the Ace Double containing the infamous how-long-is-it? Falcons of Narabedla, that Luminist used to use for many of their books, with the PDFs that they've converted most of their books into, and then added back the old Google Drive links, anyway. Seems pointless, but whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:00, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Infinity Three ==<br />
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I accepted your submission adding this publication by mistake, so I deleted it. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18237 Here] is the existing record. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:34, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Your question on image replacement ==<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5394627 this submission], you stated "I replaced the wrong cover image, which has the old edition's info on the side, with the correct cover with info on the top, but I had to replace it here because, as has happened several times before, the uploaded cover didn't go to the same page as the old uploaded cover, so if moderator wants to contact somebody and ask them to fix that it would be great" This behaviour you observed is a consequence of copying publication records to create another printing and/or edition. As a consequence, the image URL is also copied, but continues to point to the original cloned record. The only solution to fix this problem is either to go to the cloned record and update the image there, or, if the intent is to replace with a correct image, then you need to do what you've done here, and upload a new cover image and update the corresponding pub record. As far as I can tell, there's not much that can be done about this without significantly changing the software's behaviour. Hope this clarifies. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:42, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: OK, but the last several times this happened one of the long-time mods, maybe JLaTondre or Ahasuerus, said they fixed it so it pointed to the right page. I don't know what they did, but I doubt it was just replacing it in the record, or maybe it was, who knows. I left that message simply because I was tired of leaving a message on the boards every time this happened and wanted either the original uploader or the mod who approved the edit to take care of it. In the future I'll just replace it in the book's record, although that still means, I think, that the old wrong cover still has a page on the Wiki somewhere. Also, why is the word "behaviour" in your message flagged as a wrong spelling, with a red underline? The mods' names have it, too, which is logical because they're not actual words, but shouldn't spellcheck recognize British spelling? --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:09, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Indeed, the old cover has still a page on the wiki - however, if no pub record points to it anymore, eg because they have been replaced with another one, it doesn't really matter if it does, right? You can ask a moderator to cleanup these orphan picture uploads, but not sure myself if that's really needed or expected.<br />
::As far as I understand it, if your system is set up to check US spelling, then it does that, and only that. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:52, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Thirteenth Ghost Book ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5402720 this submission]. Since there aren't any pages with Roman numerals, the Pages field should remain unchanged. The page number for the 'Editor's Preface' should be 7. (not bracketed). I see that the table of contents shows vii for the page number. However, from the first bullet point under [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles Regular Titles] Page -"Caution: Do not use the table of contents to determine the page numbers of a publication's contents." Resubmit and I'll approve. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:25, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A word on the use of <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> ==<br />
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Hello. Just an FYI - if you happen to know that not all spec fic content has been added to a publication (as you mentioned in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5408632 this submission]), then you can use the <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> template in the notes field (unless you plan on adding them right after in a subsequent edit, of course ;)). That'll allow cleanup reports to list these pubs. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:40, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I've been told that before, but when I used to do that, sometimes, the contents were almost never entered by anyone until I eventually ended up doing it at some point, so it's a waste of time; most of the people here don't really care about helping with anything that doesn't interest them personally, and even if they did many of the editors/moderators are very reluctant to help me with anything because I'm not a sycophant and don't let them bully me, or they're still mad about some sarcastic comment I made a year-and-a-half ago, so they ignore anything with my name on it, as can be seen by the hundreds of messages I've left on the boards since 2021, when I started editing, that have never been answered. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::''I'm'' interested in the incompletes. It would be useful if you would add it. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:37, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Highgate Vampire ==<br />
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It seems to me that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5406724 The Highgate Vampire] is SHORTFICTION, not an ESSAY. I find it strange that Manchester should write an ESSAY on his own story (albeit not impossible). Do you have evidence elsewhere that this should be converted? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:40, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Because the edit of mine you approved recently containing Highgate Vampire includes a link to the Coronet copy on R. Dalby's site, and the photo of contents page says 4 new vampire stories or something similar, and that title is not in that section, it's in the essay section. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:11, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: OK, thanks for the explanation. I've approved it. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:46, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Narrator template ==<br />
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Please use the <nowiki>{{Narrator|}}</nowiki> template in audio publications. I'm sure you saw where I have added it to some of your edits. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:16, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Exotic Gothic: Forbidden Tales From Our Gothic World ==<br />
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When some of the page numbers are not visible/readable but the order of the stories is (such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279827 here], use piped numbers tied to the story before and after the missing numbers to keep the order of the titles in the publication. I added the two missing numbers [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279827 here]. When you leave some stories without any numbers while others have page numbers, they float to the top of the list, before the preface in this case. This way the order is preserved and visible. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:39, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: That's a deliberate choice; I'm the one who almost always eventually finds somewhere that shows the missing numbers and then fills them in, with a few very rare cases where some other person finds them and deigns to fill them in themselves, hopefully actually letting me know they did that so I don't think they're still missing, which they usually don't and I just stumble on the completed record some time in the future. So it makes it easier to know which are missing if they're all bunched at the top rather than having to look through sometimes very long contents lists to find them, hoping that I actually catch them all. You added the pipes to this one, however, so whatever, who cares, nothing matters anymore. WorldCat's new site is a mess, Amazon has completely changed their site for the worse, Fantastic Fiction doesn't show Amazon covers anymore because of those changes, and our site's move to a new server has been a total nightmare, with bugs galore and spam messages outnumbering the real ones. Not to mention another world war is in the offing, which will make this whole thing moot because internet service will be gone and nobody will be using ISFDB, anyway. Thanks for adding those pipes, though. :) EDIT: Turns out there's a snippet copy on Google, typed the titles, found the numbers, so now they're complete once edit's approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:29, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. The point stands though - if we know the order, we use pipes to make the publication page as presentable as possible. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:05, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== How to Survive a Fire at the Greenmark ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5417773 this submission], as there was another title record involved. A merge produces [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2365084 this title record]. It was easier for me to just do it, rather than have you redo your submission. Thanks for catching this, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:04, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Tell-Tale Heart ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?915136 This] publication appears on the exception report because it is lacking the content title. You have marked it juvenile. Is that because of the publisher or did you see it stated somewhere? I looked at [https://archive.org/details/william-castle-telltale-heart] and [https://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/hanna-barbera-does-the-tell-tale-heart/]. Initially, I imported the regular title, but reversed it pending your input. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:48, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, it's part of a cartoon series, cartoons are for kids, especially older cartoons like Hanna-Barbera's; if it was Adult Swim or something that would be different, but pretty much everything H-B did was marketed to kids. EDIT: Also, I imported it myself, but it's currently waiting in a 330-edit list of mine, so you don't have to import anything, it'll be accepted sometime in the near future. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:38, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: You submission is approved. <Strike>Please do two more things. First, merge the duplicated CHAPBOOK title records (check for duplicates in the publication Editing Tools: menu)</strike> Please use the narrator template, <nowiki>{{Narrator|William Castle}}</nowiki>, rather than straight text. When(if) we make narrators their own record, it will be easier to implement. Post when you submissions is in the queue and I'll approve them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:32, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Approved, Thank you [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:57, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== New Writings in Horror and the Supernatural, Vol. 2 ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5422611 this submission] and resubmitted it without the change to the title record. The three title records (anthology, and two content titles) incorrectly credited to an alternate name were fixed via merges. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23815 Here] is the final result. Thanks for finding this. If anything is not clear, ask. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:12, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Evocations ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5422619 this submission]. What is the source for the contents? Are you planning on submitting the remaining titles? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:33, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Probably Amazon Look Inside or Scribd, I don't remember, it's been so long, that's why mods should unfreeze the notes box so editors can add info like that when importing titles. Maybe this: https://thebookloversboudoir.wordpress.com/2015/08/04/book-review-evocations-by-james-brogden/; and no, I only imported stories already on ISFDB, since I don't know how the other stories are titled in the print book, online info being unreliable at best, and I don't have a copy to check. If a copy ever shows up on Archive or somewhere then I can enter the rest, assuming I'm still doing this by then. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:15, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I'll add a note citing Look inside and the <nowiki>{{Incomplete}}</nowiki> template. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:55, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Venus, the Lonely Goddess ==<br />
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Re; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5425887 this submission]. The title page shows 'The Lonely Goddess' as the subtitle. Shouldn't the title be 'Venus: The Lonely Goddess' to comply with our standards? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:28, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, I think you're right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:32, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: If you resubmit, I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:38, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Just approve it and I'll do another edit adding the colons; there's other info in that edit besides just the change of title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:49, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Chapbooks and title level fields ==<br />
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Please be careful when adding chapbooks. In general the flags such as novelization don't apply. Also links should only be added if they apply to the publication. If you're trying to add a link or a novelization flag they belong on the SHORTFICTION that you are adding. After the new chapbook edit is approved, you can add them on the newly created SHORTFICTION title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:32, 3 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing author/artist names in publications. ==<br />
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Please remember that when you change an author's name inside a publication the publication or title records are the only record for that author, it is better to ask the moderators to change the name in the author record as to preserve any other data in the author record. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5437438 this edit] removes the last reference to Arnid Johnston. The existing record includes the author's legal name which will be lost when that record is deleted as a result of the edit. You had one other edit that I approved today that had a similar issue. I'll go ahead and approve and update the new record with the former record's legal name. However, it's best to correct these sorts of errors in the author record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:10, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Heart-Beast'' cover URLs ==<br />
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Would you take a look at {{P|16664|Heart-Beast}}? Your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5433424 submission], which I accepted, seems/seemed to have an m.media-amazon.com Amazon cover URL in it that the software didn't like. Accepting the submission further seems to have ignored it, because the pub record has an images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com URL (to a poorer quality image, but it's the same cover). And I know you've been on a bit of a mission to change m-media.amazon.com links to images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com links for stability reasons. So I'm a bit confused about what's up, I sort of doubt you would have changed something from images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com, and I suspect the URL in the record is what we want and not the URL seen in the submission. That is what we have at the moment, anyway. If you think something should be different, let me know and submit whatever is appropriate, and I'll follow up. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:56, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It is not the m-media.amazon.com that is an issue (it is an exact mirror of images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com so every image on one of them exist under the same name on the other - if we decide not to use m-media.amazon.com, these can be swapped behind the scenes although a lot of the new images coming in are using m-media.amazon.com so it may be a losing battle). The problem in this one is that it is an /images/G/ image and those have their ".L" after a dot - which is caught into the check for formatting so you see this error unlike the cases with the /P/ images where it shows the "these are not /I/ images warning -- the current software can only show 1 warning per field. We do not know how stable /G/ are - I think these may be the old user images which may mean that a user can delete them at their whim. The only ones we know to be stable are the images in /images/I/ so that warning is there for anything that is not in the /images/I/ space in Amazon. It can be ignored for spaces we do not know much I suspect (such as /G/) but if a better image is found over in /I/, it will be better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:44, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Hi. Yes, I understood the warning. What I didn't/don't understand is why that submission's URL did not "take" when I accepted the submission. I'm suspecting that submission didn't actually try to do anything with the URL, and the desired image is the one currently linked (and not on m-media.amazon.com). I didn't want to contravene anyone's intentions by trying to "fix" it, so I thought I'd ask. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:38, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Extended Play'' and "A Night in Tunisia" ==<br />
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Hi. Just FYI, I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5433436 this submission]. The primary verifier had completed the contents in a submission made the day before, and "A Night in Tunisia" was already in the contents when I went to process this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:41, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Italian books ==<br />
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A few notes:<br />
: When adding Italian books, the NILF number (the digits at the end of fantascienza.com's IDs which follow the "NILF" prefix) goes into the external IDs, not in the links. <br />
: "digest" is not one of the formats we use for books (it is defined only for magazines) - we use either pb or tp for paperbacks. <br />
: The Translator goes into the title note, not the publication note (or in both if so you prefer but it is required on the title level). <br />
All 3 were fixed post approval [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?918597 Operazione: Sterminio] and I also created the variant while I was around. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:21, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: A few more notes: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?5646; 2 novels entered by other editors as "digest"; 2 records which have the translator in the publication note (and without using the translator template), 1 of which also has the translator in the title note and 1 of which doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:49, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: So they need cleaning up and fixes. As you had probably realized by now, there are a lot of things in the DB that need fixing. Some of them are because of changed rules through the years (the older the record, the more likely is that it was added under different rules and practices), some of them are because of incomplete sources or human mistakes and some of them are simply because the editor did not check the rules and applied their own logic. We try to keep to the rules with new entries and current updates; when time permits, older stuff gets also cleaned up. It is the nature of collaborative projects which survive as long a ours. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:55, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Yeah, I know there's lots of things that need fixing because I've fixed thousands of them. I'll fix these because like so many others if I don't they'll never get fixed, with many of my fixes being for mistakes that have been in the edit history since 2006-2007 when public editing first started; most of the current editors and moderators have abandoned anything except modern e-books, leaving hundreds of thousands of pre-e books and magazines to oblivion. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:21, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Open Library OL and archive.org ==<br />
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Once again (User talk:Pwendt#Doll Who Came Alive) I do have an account with password to Borrow rather than merely Preview. <br />
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How do you use OpenLibrary.org and Archive.org in conjunction, for research?<br />
And when hope to add Webpage at archive.org, or External ID "OL....", for others to follow? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:22, 18 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Are there books with a Preview available, which are not available for anyone to Borrow? (maybe equivalent to Not in the Library) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:57, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I'm no expert, but the relation between OL and Archive seems to be messy; there are books that show up on OL that don't on Archive even though the previewable copy is an Archive book, there are Archive books that don't show up on OL, books on OL but not on Archive often have a blue borrow unavailable tag at the top, trying to borrow something for 14 days using the pull-down menu next to borrow for 1 hour gives you epub or pdf links which only download some ASIM thing that you're supposed to use with some kind of Adobe reader or something and don't let you print anything from them, etc. I gather from messages on the site that Archive used to be much better about letting people borrow material for longer periods until they got complaints about copyrighted material on their site and switched to the 1 hour thing. So I'd say search for whatever you're looking for on both OL and Archive and, as long as nobody else has it borrowed, you can keep renewing the 1 hour thing endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:00, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Doctor Doolittle ==<br />
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Would you consider this pub record still be corrupt (as per the notes), after [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5444256 your edit]? If not, I suggest removing that note. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:26, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Going by the edit history it seems Pwendt wrote it, so I left them a message asking to remove it if they think it needs to be now, after my edits. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:35, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Frank Mahood ==<br />
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FYI. You've submitted a couple of edits crediting Frank Mahood as artist - however, he's the jacket designer, which does not imply he's the artist. We do not record designers as artists (unless it's very clear he/she is). That info goes into the notes instead. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 15:09, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Talisman ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532472 The Talisman]; I think we should go ahead and change the publisher to 'Constable'. Also, clarify in the publisher record that it is now an imprint of Hatchet via Little, Brown and Company. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:15, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I think so; best ask a mod first, but remember it's Hachette, not Hatchet. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:52, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Pardon my typo in the above post. If you prefer another mod than me, feel free to solicit one. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:06, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Dude, I don't care at all. I thought it would be best to ask before making a major change like that, as I've been chastised many times for changing stuff. If you're a senior mod go ahead and change it on your own without asking anyone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:16, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Giesbrecht / Geisbrecht ==<br />
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Hi. This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5449569 submission] fixes the title but also changes Jennifer Giesbrecht to Jennifer Geisbrecht, which would be a new author record. The Look Inside for the paperback edition of ''Thirteen: Stories of Transformation'' show it as the former spelling in the TOC, on the back cover, and in the interior (although it does not show the interior ones). Searching for "Geisbrecht" found one hit in the interior but does not show it. Is that spelling change a typo or intentional? It looks like her name is actually "Giesbrecht" (see her [https://jennifergiesbrecht.carrd.co/ website]). If there is a credit in there spelled "Geisbrecht", since the book also has credit(s) with the correct spelling, I think we'd be best off assuming it's a typo, using the correct spelling for the credit, and recording the discrepancy and in-publication sources of each of the spellings in the notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:43, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:You're probably right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:45, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Oh, I see from your later submission that you found it on archive.org. I took a look, and in that copy, it's "Giesbrecht" in the TOC, on the copyright page, and on the back cover, while it's Geisbrecht on the story title page and the running titles. I guess it's safest to document it with the misspelling make a variant. At least there's reasonable provenance that they're the same person.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:56, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Heat ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5459602 this submission]: is there a particular reason why you want to remove the Reginald-3 reference from the External IDs list? In error perhaps? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:18, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: I noticed this edit was on hold, and knew I wouldn't have removed anything (I'm the one who added this edition in the first place), and looking at edit history now, I see RTrace added the Archive.org link, which I tried to add, on 11/02, so I can only assume that my edit, being in the queue for so long, resulted in the LCCN ID I also tried to add conflicting with the Reginald-3 ID he added (he adds a whole lot of those). So the only thing needed now is the LCCN ID, so I'll cancel my old edit and make a new one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! - and yes, the queue is horrendous atm :( [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 13:16, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spectrum 5 ==<br />
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We don't change the title of a PVed book without a verification by the PV when we have an active PV (and we do not change the title without a note when there is a PV at all): they may be holding a slightly different book or they may confirm the change but in all cases, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484232 this] cannot be approved without a check with the verifier. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:59, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: The same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484204 Spectrum 4] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:00, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484207 Spectrum 3]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:01, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Just a suggestion ==<br />
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Rather than 'fixed title' in your moderator notes, consider an explanation of what you are changing. Make it easy for the pv to see what you did. In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5465175 this] example, 'removed series from publication and cover art titles'. Up to you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:00, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Carnage Road ==<br />
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Re: your note to moderator. I agree the date should be April 2012. However, MLB has deemed the 'The Author' as significant by creating a title record so the Pages field must include those in the count. I suggest submitting an edit for the date and notifying MLB. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:13, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Theatre of Timesmiths ==<br />
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You were correct there was a problem with this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50893 publication]. It had the wrong title record. It was originally entered as 'A Theatre of Timesmiths'. When the publication title was changed, the title record was not. The way to fix it was to import the correct title record and remove the incorrect one. Unfortunately, after I fixed the publication, I meant to reject your variant submission, but approved it by mistake (subsequently fixed). Great job finding this. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:17, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Drummer Boy ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5466669 this submission], Amazon says HC, can you provide the source for your edit? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:45, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mischief-Makers ==<br />
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Hello, I have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5472517 your submission] on hold as I couldn't find spec fic elements at cursory glance. Can you provide evidence these belong into the database? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:10, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Shirley Jackson, Joan Aiken, Alan Garner, Richard Parker, Joseph Payne Brennan are all on ISFDB, so should be imported, and I suspect if anyone wants to read the other stories some of them would be genre, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:36, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks, approved. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:29, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Re. Mr Ho ==<br />
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Re. your minor [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5464886 edit] for the story "Mr Ho" in 'Tales from the Fragrant Harbour', I'm trying to establish via the publisher Keith Brooke if "Mr Ho" has a period in the title or not, as this may affect whether we need to variant. (my own copy is thousands of miles away and currently inaccessible). Will get back to you on this soon when I hear from Mr. Brooke. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 07:36, 21 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Keith Brooke has advised me the story appears without a period in his Infinity Plus edition, so I've added a variant that does include a period for your PS edition. Your original edit will need to be rejected. I've also put the stories in your ebook edition in the (very likely) same order as the tp edition; if there are any differences you would need to re-order them. All done, thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 06:58, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shadow Games and Other... ==<br />
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Hi. I think that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5481414 Shadown Games and Other Sinister Stories of Show Business] that you've submitted should be flagged as non-genre (can't find any spec fic elements, but who knows?). Do you agree?<br />
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Also, I tend to discourage adding non-genre titles, even for well known gene authors, but your mileage may vary. Ed Gorman is a corner case where you could argue he is 'above the threshold', so I leave it to you to decide to keep this non-genre(?) title in or not. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:28, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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Same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5481798 Farewell, Fond Dreams]. Didn't check thoroughly, but doesn't seem genre to me. Or is it? (this author definitely shouldn't have any non-genre titles in the database). [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:39, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: All of the contents in Gorman's book are on ISFDB, the full-length novel and the stories; looking into this led me to discover that the novel has both editions on Archive.org so I've added links to each and created a record for the Leisure edition which for some reason was never entered here. The Gordon collection includes his ISFDB poem, a couple of short stories on ISFDB, and a couple of those many Exhibition stories, so yes, it belongs here; I suspect if anyone were to read the rest of that pretentious nonsense they'd probably find that some of the other contents are genre, too. EDIT: I'm the one who entered The Haunted Gay but it got errored out which led to it being a stray, which has only happened to me once before, so I asked about it and was told what to do, but it took so long to get approved that a few days ago somebody named Zapp must have seen my message and fixed it, although he added ASIN which doesn't make sense for such an old book, but whatever. Now the Edit History only shows Zapp, so my discovering and entering this rare book will go uncredited, which has happened to me several times recently. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:59, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: OK, thanks. Both approved (I didn't import contents though. If you could take care of that?) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 03:53, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::I imported into Gorman's book but as I said Giles Gordon's book probably contains other genre SS so someone can read it and then decide what to do, import and add new ones, whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Five Jars ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5486580 your edit] I noticed that you left the US edition at 1922-00-00. Now, that's a bit awkward because the UK edition clearly states "First published October, 1922", but whether that refers to the UK edition only, or both UK and US editions, I wouldn't know. Any suggestion on how to treat this ? Re-date US edition to 1922-10-00 as well, with note that it possibly could have been published at a later date (but still 1922)? (author is British, so presumably the UK edition is leading(?)). Thanks, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:07, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:MagicUnk, the US edition should remain 1922 unless we have a source for the month. If we want to speculate on the date, that can be added to the pub notes, but we shouldn't change the date itself. There is no issue with having the title date be more specific than some of the pub dates if we know the first appearance. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:32, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: OK, will approve. Not sure if username can dig up more details on the pub date of the US edition. ;) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:54, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover Uploading ==<br />
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Regarding your note to moderator [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5487303 here]: The cover uploading did go to the right page. The issue was the previous link was to an image for a {{P|189937|different edition}}. Someone either forgot to remove the image when they cloned the record or reused the image with the incorrect assumption it was the same. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:29, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== J. J. Ace & Nick Aires are (not) alternate names... ==<br />
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I have your submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485961], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485964] on hold as I doubt that J.J. Ace is an alternate name for Nick Aires. The only link between the two I could find is the reference to Andreychuk (by Bill Longley) here: {{a|J. J. Ace}}. No source given. The 'About the Author' in [https://archive.org/details/judgmentday00acej/page/300/mode/2up Judgment Day] reveals that J.J. Ace may be an alternate name for {{a|James Richey}} (or not). Can you dig up more substantial evidence to link both Ace and Aires? If not, I'll remove the legal name from J.J. Ace's record, and move it to the note and state that it is doubtful that Andreychuk is his legal name. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:55, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Hour of the Cyclops ==<br />
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Hi once more. Concerning these submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485522], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485520], statement in the notes of one of the verified publication says 'Exerpt of shoft story "Hour of the Cyclops" '. Nevertheless, you've added the story without the '(excerpt)' modifier. Do you have source/evidence it's not an excerpt, but the actual short story itself? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 09:07, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Because it's the exact same text, starting and ending with the same lines, as the online-readable story on 3LBE, which was its original publication. Whoever entered the "excerpt" note was unaware of that, it seems, and it also seems most people are unaware that they reprinted the story, which used to only be available in the original limited edition, in these later editions, since the book doesn't include the story on the contents page and so websites that list the contents miss it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks, approved. Also, don't forget to check on earlier messages on your talk page (there can be multiple) ;) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Planetfall ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5490780 this submission]: This seems like a story written in Planetfall setting and not a novelization of the game. The front page says "an authentically new adventure in the bestselling world of Planetfall." The description on the back does not sound like the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetfall video game]. Let me know if I'm missing something. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:22, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Hard to say; some Infocom-related sites call it a novelization, like https://yois.if-legends.org/salesinfo.php?id=1265, and http://www.locusmag.com/index/t168.htm and https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/planetfall do, too. But https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/Planetfall says, "Arthur Byron Cover wrote a novel for Planetfall and Stationfall though they're set after the games with similar events happening again", so it's hard to say. Technically it's not and neither is the sequel, so uncheck the novelization boxes, I suppose. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:05, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Editing records with primary verifications. ==<br />
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Another moderator contacted me about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5491318 this submission] that you made to change the title of a publication for which I have a primary verification. As has been mentioned before, our etiquette is to contact the active verfiers '''prior''' to submitting an edit unless it falls under one of the exceptions specified on the verifier's talk page. In my case, that is for adding a missing cover image, or adding notes. Changing the title does not fall into those exceptions. Please refrain from making further edits to records with primary verifications until after you have contacted the active primary verifiers first. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:33, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Well, you didn't enter the title as it appears on the copyright page, Year's Best Weird Fiction, Vol. 1, but you also didn't enter it as it appears on the title page (there's no comma) nor did you enter it as is standard on ISFDB for series anthologies with subtitles, adding a colon between the title and the subtitle, so it's hard to figure out what you intended to do. As you told the mod who contacted you, the title now matches the other books in the series, which is how it should have been entered in the first place. It's easy to say contact PV first, but many of them never answer or they answer with anger at daring to question their work or they say they're not really active anymore and they don't care much about any changes made. In the future I'll be sure to contact you about any and every change since you seem to still be semi-active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::A verifier is not necessarily the person who entered the data and things do occasionally get missed. However, that is the point here. Regardless of the merits of the edit, you should have asked me before you entered it and I know that I've asked you to do so before. I'm sorry if other verifiers responded with anger, but that is no reason to ignore the requirement with respect to all verifiers. I'll also point out that the Last User Activity Date is right next to the indication of verification. Given that I make edits most days, I am puzzled as to why you think I'm only semi-active or why you would have thought I was inactive long enough that you were exempt from the requirement to pre-notify. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:15, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Probably because the last edit of mine you approved was 10 days ago, so I just assumed you'd given up like another mod has recently or you were sick and/or in the hospital for the umpteenth time like several of the other mods. Anyway, a few more problems I've noticed since looking at all of this again: 1) The title date of #1 is earlier than the edition you PV but there's no record for an earlier edition here; 2) The foreign edition is the only book in the "Modern Weird" Series with no series #, format or cover artist, and the other 3 books are listed as 2 PB and a TP, so obviously one of those formats is wrong; 3) Volume 3 HC has no page count, cover artist or contents, and while cover images for both editions are the same and the TP does have a cover artist later volumes in the series have a different cover (#4 also has 2 separate cover artists) for each edition so it's possible that whoever entered 3's HC cover just copy-and-pasted the TP cover without checking to see if that was the right cover, as has happened so many times before with other books ; 4) Volume 4 HC has no ISBN or page count, doesn't have the day entered like the TP does, and neither edition has page numbers entered for the contents; 5) Volume 5 HC has no cover artist, the page counts of each edition are different, and neither edition has page numbers entered for the contents, plus the viewable e-book on Amazon (never entered on ISFDB) says Five, not 5, in the title, so both editions probably have the wrong title. I may have missed something, but these are the problems I see, in case anyone chances across this message and can fix anything I've mentioned. EDIT: While there don't seem to be any eBay copies of this series with anything other than cover photos, I did find this: https://alligatortreegraphics.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/ybwf5.pdf, so Volume 5 clearly should be Five since this is either the TP or HC judging by the fact that the contents page has page numbers on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Your definition of being active in the project as has approved your submissions recently is odd. In the context of who is required to be notified before editing their verified publications you should determine who is an active editor by the Last User Activity Date shown in the publication record. I don't know why you continue to try to find excuses to circumvent this requirement, but this requirement applies any publication verified by an active editor; not just moderators, and certainly not just moderators that have approved your edits recently. Your suppositions about my health are also odd. I don't know why you would assume that I am sick or hospitalized. I have been consistently active on the site for many years, except when traveling, which I always note in the Moderator Availability list at the head of the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]]. There is a much simpler explanation as to why I have not approved any of your edits in the last 10 days. That is because there are many other edits before yours in the queue. Currently, the earliest edit in the queue which is not held, or has some other question preventing its approval is from October 30. Your earliest unheld edit is from November 18. While some moderators may cherry pick which editors they want to approve, I do not. I work from the earliest edits first. There are simply hundreds if not thousands of edits in the queue before yours. As for your questions regarding the Year's Best Weird Fiction series, it sounds like you have some research to do. I do think it's unlikely that anyone with insight happening upon this thread under this heading are quite small. You'd probably have better luck posting a question in [[ISFDB:Verification requests|Verification requests]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:56, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Picture Mommy Dead ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5496327 this submission]. Looking at the Wikipedia article for the film, it does not appear that there are any supernatural elements to the story. Do you have evidence that the novel has speculative elements that would make it eligible for inclusion in the project? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:19, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Oh yes, it's like a Gothic novel in film form, with a young lady seeing hallucinations of the fiery ghost of her dead mommy, bleeding paintings, creepy talking dolls, etc., while her wicked stepmother tries to get her inheritance; at the end she and her dad go insane. So I think it would qualify even if some of those things may only be in her mind; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLN90cNNomw. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:08, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::That description sounds psychological as opposed to supernatural which doesn't qualify under our [[ISFDB:Policy#Definitions of Speculative Fiction|Definitions of Speculative Fiction]]. I'll cross post this on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|Community Portal]] and see if we can get some additional opinions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:08, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Cage ==<br />
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Regarding your comment in the moderator note of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5513407 this submission]: Yes, the canonical title is dated with the date of first appearance even if the first appearance was under an alternate name. The only exception is if a translation appeared before it was published in the original language. We use the first canonical language publication date in those cases.<br />
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By the way, http://www.philsp.com/ links to specific entries are pretty much useless as they are not stable. When they add new data or otherwise make updates to their site, the links end up pointing to different data. I removed it from the notes as it no longer pointed to the the Ray Russell entry. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:43, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Fast Ships, Black Sails ==<br />
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What is the source of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5515393 this date change]? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:00, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:As so often happens, someone, in this case the long-gone/dead Bluesman, submitted and approved the title date in late 2010, but the 2 PV, you and RTrace, had verified the book in 2009 and early 2010 and so nobody ever fixed the book date to match the title date, so I did. If either of you two want to fix all the other cover art/essay/story dates now you can do so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::The month does not appear in the book. Amazon does give October, but it would be better to have a more reliable source. I changed the title record to be just 2008 and rejected the edit. You can re-add the Internet Archive link based on the desire you expressed to do it yourself in our earlier discussion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:52, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Movie Fantastic ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5502186 your edit], it seems to me that ISBN ending in 139 is for the tp edition - see [https://www.ebay.com/itm/274089387617] and [https://archive.org/details/moviefantasticbe00anna/]. A price tag of $2.95 would be consistent with that. ISBN ending in 163 is for HC - see [https://www.abebooks.com/9780517518168/Movie-Fantastic-Beyond-Dream-Machine-0517518163/plp]. Would also mean that OL & OCLC IDs would have to be removed from the hc edition & moved to the tp edition (which doesn't exist yet). Am assuming LCCN is for the hc edition. Could you double-check this makes sense? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 09:47, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:It's been so long since I did this that I don't remember the details, so I just cancelled it. If you want to take it up yourself maybe you can figure out what's what. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Zelig ==<br />
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You contributed the publication [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929400 Zelig]. But I wonder if this has speculative contents. Could you explain why this pub should be selected? The content of the film does not appear to have any speculative elements. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 02:59, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: It was nominated for a Saturn Award for Best Director and a SF Chronicle Award for Dramatic Presentation, it was reviewed by Colin Greenland in genre magazine Imagine (January 1984), etc. The title character is a chameleon who can physically change in order to fit in and moves through history taking on the characteristics of famous figures. It's a fantasy, certainly, even if it probably wasn't marketed that way because of the usual snobbery against genre films. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:32, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. By the way, I read about me in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Shadow_Games_and_Other... here]. I've been working on 'Cleanup Reports' for a while to correct missing data. But I don't check who previously entered data before each edit. Regarding 'The Haunted Gay', the publication was created after 10/24/2016, so the first contributor is not apparent. Sorry for causing annoyance. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:02, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Image ==<br />
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Could you please take another look at [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Clive Barker Author Photo|this discussion]]. There has been a third edit to change the author image and I think we need to reach a consensus rather than continue to churn the image. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:27, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nog's Vision ==<br />
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These submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548247 submission1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548248 submission2] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548249 Submission3] are not correct. <br />
<ul><li>If [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?117165 Brian Hall] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352747 Brian P. Hall] are the same author, then we make Brian P. Hall an alternate name of Brian Hall and variant [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 The Wizard of Maldoone].<br />
<li>If they are not the same author then we make Brian Hall(I) the author of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1823138 Nog's Vision], an alternate name for Brian P. Hall and variant. </ul><br />
Are you able to make a determination? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:02, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I guess you're right. Cancel them and do whatever you need to; I see you just did some other edits for this title, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:27, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: All I did was convert [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 The Wizard of Maldoone] to a chapbook. I was hoping you could determine whether any(all) of the Brian Hall titles are by Brian P. Hall. Will research them? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Books by Hall and P. Hall both published by Paulist Press; also, bio in Brian Hall book calls him Brian P. Hall. So yes, they're the same person. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Donald Glut ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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You had submitted an edit to make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352637 Donald Glut] into a variant name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?2445 Donald F. Glut], which I approved. However, your subsequent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5569807 edit] changes the only credit as "Donald Glut" to "Donald F. Glut" effectively deleting the variant author. You have not indicated any source for the change in credit on the title page of the essay. Did you perhaps intend to make the essay into a variant title under the parent name? If so, please delete the edit and reissue as a make variant. If not, please provide your source for the author credit for the essay. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I rejected it and it says TitleUpdate; I did it again and it says MakeVariant. I think that's what it should have been in the first place. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Hasty for the Dark: Selected Horrors ==<br />
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After accepting your submissions correcting the author attribution for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?632493 Hasty for the Dark: Selected Horrors], I removed all the Adam Nevill titles and imported or added the Adam L. G. Nevill titles. If you intended to do it yourself, I'm sorry. There was no note to moderator letting me know your intentions. Next time, change the pub and title records before importing the contents. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:20, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:What will changing those records first do in terms of the contents? I'm never clear about these kind of details. Would it eliminate some steps afterwards? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:24, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Hopefully you would have submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574809 this import] instead of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5132606 this one] saving the removal step. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:42, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Final Shadows ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574427 This submission], I think you meant to link to the tp edition. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:09, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No, because photo of back cover has HC ISBN and price + other photos are clearly of the HC, too. FantLab just jumbles together info from various sources; nothing they write is reliable, only photos are reliable. By the way, you're one of the mods who seem to like following up on some of the edits you approve with your own edits so I'll mention that the last FantLab photo has a date, September 27, which is supposedly when it was scheduled to come out, in case you can find a publisher's slip photo or something to verify. Of course, that would also mean having to change all the story dates, too, so you may not want to bother. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:21, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree, the photos are of the hc edition. If this is common, I'll watch for it. Pondering on whether we should add a pub note whenever this situation arises. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:00, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Ritual ==<br />
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In edits like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574855 this], what is your preference? Create the variant or leave it for you? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:50, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:If you notice something needs a variant it would be better for you to do it because you're a mod and your edit will be approved immediately while mine will probably sit there at the top of my long list for days/weeks, which is silly for those kinds of small repetitive edits. If you don't notice or don't have the time I or someone else will notice eventually and do it. It's up to you. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:02, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Got it, thanks. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:04, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Bitternest Chronicles ==<br />
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Any thoughts on whether we should change the publication date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325516 here]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:07, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I tend to leave post-2007 ISBN-13 dates alone because e-books made such a mess of determining exact publication dates it's usually hard or impossible to tell when something was actually published. That doesn't mean someone else can't change it if they feel like they're sure when it was actually published. The publisher seems very obscure, although I did find that cool Youtube trailer so apparently at one point they thought they were going to be something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Links in notes ==<br />
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Do you still want me to convert [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?61965 this] to a clickable link? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:01, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please do make any link I provide (there must be thousands by now) clickable if you really want to; I'm an amateur who knows nothing about HTML or hot tags or whatever they call them and just let people cut-and-paste if they want to see the linked whatever. Coincidentally, see my 2 sad attempts at linking to that Bloch boxed set Amazon link you approved a little while ago, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582236, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582241. Also, the Bloch Midnight Pleasures edit you just approved didn't see me move my old note to the bullet list, or whatever you call it, in the notes, which I do when I see any these days because I've learned how to do it, and I also noticed that in the moderator notes I said "Archive.org copy" instead of link; I usually use the word copy when I'm writing about where I got info from in the regular note section. I think it was very late and I was very tired when I was doing a bunch of Bloch edits and wasn't up to my usual standard. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alex Andreev / Alex Andreyev ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5580997 This submission]. I'm sure you saw the website name. Did you consider going the other way? Just asking. I'm okay either way, can always be changed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:54, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: I suppose you're right, but I think then it would make sense to move all the info as Andreyev over to the empty record for Andreev, right? I checked that Metronome book in Google Books and it's Andreyev like ISFDB says. I can't find a photo of the French Tad Williams book with the artist's name on it and that interior art credit as Andreev is also in Google Books but a search couldn't find the art, so what it's really signed is unknown. I was hoping that all credits would really be under one name or the other and somebody just entered them wrong here, but there's definitely at least 1 book as Andreev and 1 as Andreyev so far. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:12, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree, the data needs to be moved if you switch. Submit everything, ping here and I'll approve. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:24, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:26, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robot Trouble ==<br />
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Should we add a note mentioning the 21 page difference between the L-O-C entry and our publication record? Looks like all our publication data came from Locus. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:46, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Determining canonical name ==<br />
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You have pending submissions which would make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?154935 Lucy Finn] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?32990 Savannah Russe] alternate names for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161282 Charlee Ganny]. Assuming they are the same person, shouldn't Savannah Russe be the canonical name? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:35, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:The bio in that stupid Chihuahua Wolf or whatever says Ganny and mentions those other 2 names as pseudonyms, so I think Ganny should be parent, but I don't really care if anyone wants to change that if the rules here, whatever they are, say so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:15, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::I just came across the same edits and have the same question. Our standards are that the canonical name should be the name by which the author is best know in the genre. Generally, that would be the name they are most frequently published as. In this case, most of the author's works are published as by Savannah Russe, which is why that name should be canonical. If Charlee Ganny is the author's legal name, that can be reflected in the Legal Name field in the canonical record. It would also have been helpful if you had added the source for this in the notes to the moderator. I looked at both the provided archive.org link (borrow unavailable) and the Amazon look inside feature and neither have access to the about the author page. Are you working from a physical copy? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::If I was working from a physical copy I would have PV it. I don't know, I just assume that if a complete amateur like me can find all this stuff that all you expert moderators should be able to find it, too, which is probably why sometimes I don't lay out exact details. As I've explained before, for some reason many books that were uploaded on Archive.org only link directly from OL, identifiable by that blue-and-white Preview button, but you can still search inside them even if you can't borrow them (I like searching for the word "the" which appears on most pages) and find something like this, https://archive.org/details/chihuawolftailof0000gann_y0f7/page/138/mode/2up, which explains what's what. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:59, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::If you had added that in the moderator notes in the first place, John and I wouldn't have had to question your source. It's to your own benefit as well. If we aren't spending our time recapitulating research that you've already done, we can spend more time reviewing edits. As to these edits, the canonical name should be Savannah Russe. Please see [[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName|this template]] which explains how we decide what name should be canonical. Unfortunately, your edits are making a lesser know name canonical and they'll have to be rejected. Please resubmit these making Russe the canonical name. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:57, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title Change of One of Multiple Publications with the Same Title ==<br />
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Hi Username<br />
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I'm holding your edit to update the title of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284335 1996 publication] of "Moonchasers and Other Stories" to "Moonchasers & Other Stories". I'm also holding the same change to the various contained title records. The issue with your edit is that there are two publications under the current title. Assuming the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284334 2000 publication] has the "and" as opposed to the ampersand, your edits will result in the 2000 publication containing several incorrect title records. I'm guessing that you did not find evidence that the 2000 pub should be titled with an ampersand, or you would have changed it as well. If you can find such evidence, please change that record as well, and I can approve your edits. If not, you'll need to unmerge the title record for the novel and the cover art, then retitle them, and make the old versions variants of the newly created and changed ones. For the other titles, you can remove them from the 1996 publication, add new content with the correct title, and again make variants after that is done. Please let me know what you find about the 2000 publication, and we'll know how to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:30, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Return to Avalon ==<br />
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Regarding your note to moderator, you are correct in both counts. Submit the change in page count and cover art credit, note whether you want the reviewer to create the alt name and variant, and leave a note for [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Ofearna Ofearna]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:12, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Approved the cover art credit. I assume you will link alt name and create the variant title. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:04, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Heir ==<br />
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Submit the edit to add the series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3150734 here] and I'll approve it. No need to wait for the whole queue to be cleared. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:28, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Duel: Terror Stories by Richard Matheson ==<br />
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While reviewing your updates to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?637552 this publication], I looked at the back cover. I think the team of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25696 Shelley Eshkar] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25679 Jan Uretsky] should be credited for the cover art. Even though the earlier pubs don't credit them, it is the same art for all four. I wouldn't have seen it but for your submissions, so you should go ahead and make the changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:36, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Cover artists are credited on the back flap of the HC. The 2 artists, Shelley E. and Jan U., are credited separately and together on ISFDB for numerous covers, but none as by Eshkar/Uretsky. Not sure if the e-book with a date of January 4th came before the TP/HC, so if anyone can figure out which was the first true edition then artist can be entered, imported to other editions, and artist name made a variant of the individual names. Looking into this online also opened up this mess, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?12265, where the cover art is credited to Eshkar/Uretsky but nobody, not even the many PV, actually entered it that way, even though there are many mentions in notes that that's how it appears in the book, plus Larry Stewart interior art was only entered for the original HC but it's mentioned in several notes for other editions, there's an excerpt in the '99 Tor PB, which is the only copy on Archive.org-I just added a link to it in an edit, one of those weird preview-only copies that only show up if you search on Open Library-which has the date of the HC but almost certainly didn't appear in the HC, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:05, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: For Duel, I would enter the names separately and add an appropriate note to each publication treating the hc as the earliest publication.<br />
:: I don't see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?12265 Factoring Humanity] as a mess.<br />
::* The Tor hc and Orb tp's clearly state the names are shown separately.<br />
::* Both Tor pb's have an appropriate note stating how the credit appears.<br />
::[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:22, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Second printing of Witchcraft ==<br />
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You submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597754 this edit] to add a note to the April 2001 Pinnacle printing printing of ''Witchcraft'' that it is the second printing. I don't see a date listed in the scan of the book. Do you have evidence that the second printing was issued in April 2001? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:03, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:The only copy on eBay that shows a copyright page shows the same number line ending in 2 with the same March 1997 original date; the record here was entered a long time ago by ChrisJ, who had a habit of entering dates from Amazon, I guess, but not leaving any notes. Searching Google shows an Amazon page with an April 1 date and another that says "New Edition (7 June 2001)", but clicking on that link just goes to a page with the same April date. So there seems to be some confusion; possibly this was a reprint of the original, thus the 2 in the number line, and then there was a later edition that actually has a new 2001 date on the copyright page. Who knows? So you may as well cancel it and maybe someone will find out for sure sometime. I noticed that the same author has a phantom publication from 1994 in his record, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Done. Chris is active and has always been responsive to my questions. As it happens, he added a Locus1 verification which is the source for the April 2001 reprint date. I would recommend cloning the record and creating an undated publication record for the second printing with the scan. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:28, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Haunted JARVEE ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5602538 this submission]. The variant title always carries the date of it's first occurrence, not the date of the canonical title when author attribution is the same for both.. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:26, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bob/Robert Chronister ==<br />
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Hi Username<br />
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I'm holding your edits to make Bob Chronister a child name of Robert Chronister. I'm curious as to why you chose Robert as the canonical name. The canonical name should be the name by which the person is best known in the genre. In this case, Bob has 4 credits whereas Robert has only 3. I know it's a close call. Are you aware of additional credits as Robert that you are intending to add? If not, I think we should probably make Bob the canonical name. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:10, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Text Search for "By Bob Chronister" on Archive.org gets 27 hits, "By Robert Chronister" gets 49 hits. So Robert seems a bit more common and it's the longer and likely legal name, so I thought it should be the parent. I wouldn't doubt that there are other genre books out there with cover art by him that await entering here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Neither the legal name nor the longest name matter for purposes of determining the canonical name. See [[Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName|this help template]]. I'm concerned about your analysis. How many of the titles reference the same artwork? How many of those titles are genre as opposed to non-genre? Is the internet archive a good sampling of all the artists genre publications? Are there any records where the artist is credited without the preceding "By". If I had been the one making these edits, I would have made Bob Chronister the canonical name simply because it's slightly more common of the records that we have documented. Which is why I'm questioning this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:19, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm not sure what's best, because I just entered an edit for the 1983 Bantam PB of the 1973 novel Castaways on Long Ago, with art by Bob, but other Bantam books on Archive.org, including the PB of Have a Heart, Cupid Delaney, which only has the HC on ISFDB, say art by Robert. He also did many other Bantam books and went back and forth between first names. So unless someone finds a bibliography or something and counts exactly how many covers were done under each name it's really impossible to say what's the "preferred" name. I'll try to enter that Cupid PB and find another genre book with Robert as the name so it'll be equal, 5-5, and then you won't have to cancel my edits. I'll respond when I'm done if I'm successful. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:58, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Done. I entered Cupid and also Blossom Culp and the Sleep of Death. Bob 5, Robert 5. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I've approved the edits. We can revisit this again if the ratio of the names gets too out of wack. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edit for Dark Cities Underground ==<br />
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You left a note about in your update to {{P|8781|Dark Cities Underground}} regarding the cover artist credit. A merge would not be appropriate in this instance. The COVERART for the {{P|284003|book club edition}} is the same title. If you have evidence that the book club edition is also credited as "Donato" then we could merge. I realize that it probably is credited thus, but I wouldn't want to change what another editor added unless I had seen evidence. You could have accomplished this merge through the advance search feature. However, what you want to do in this case is to import the title record {{T|743977}} into the trade publication and remove {{T|138845}} from the same publication. You'll also need to update the date of the Donato record. These edits can be done in any order, but I'd add an explanation in the moderator notes, so the approving moderator will know what's going on. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:09, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ting Ling ==<br />
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At [[User talk:Zapp#Vernon Bowen]], you mention a Dodd, Mead first edition --a mistake for David McKay(?). I have some notes on all four ''Ting Ling'' T{{t|2474271}} publications (eds/printings/publishers as well as author). Among other things, the Open Library book is wrongly identified (WorldCat and ISFDB) as the 1966 Young Readers Press, but it's the 1969-10 2nd printing.<br />
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I'm not sure whether I should be able to find your submissions in the queue. Its a busy weekend so I'll wait. If you did create a "Dodd, Mead" then as self-approver I should be able to complete a manual merge, in effect.<br />
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I see that Archive.org mis-catalogs the David McKay as 1966 Katonah NY: Young Readers. Do you have any experience with correction of such data? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:04, 17 March 2023 (EDT)</div>
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<div>== Archives ==<br />
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[[User talk:Zapp/Archive-2015-2021|2015-2021]]<br />
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== Exhalation ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5412193 this submission]: I'm not seeing any artwork at the provided source that is titled "Exhalation". There are only 2 clear book covers, but neither are for a book titled Exhalation. Can you please clarify? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:00, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Artworks on that site are not entitled. Count #14 is [https://www.irancartoon.com/site/media/zgalleries/490c10ecfc3d658be2187738b8122907/greg-broadmore-new-zealand-66.jpg this one]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 13:22, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::That is the cover for ''Faction: Kiwi Comic Anthology, Issue 1''. It is also the same artwork used for {{P|788223|CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention}} (which credited Broadmore for it). What is your source that this same artwork was used for a book titled ''Exhalation'' and that it is the ''Exhalation'' that appeared in ''CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention''? Have you checked with Rtrace? He is pretty detailed and I would think that if the coverart for ''CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention'' had appeared within the pub twice, he would have varianted it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:24, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Ups, I confused coverart and interiorart, Sorry. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 14:32, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Varianting into another variant ==<br />
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Hi, I rejected your varianting a Swedish John Rackham title into a Swedisch John T. Phillifent title not only for the reason stated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5418530 here (top)], but also because you have put the translator only into the new variant. If the John T. Phillifent title gets varianted against its English original we'll lose the translator, because the then empty Swedish title has no publications and gets deleted. Always put the translator in the original translated work, and preferably variant against the original title.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 03:52, 13 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Excerpts? ==<br />
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I'm holding these two submissions, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5415893 Das dunkle Feuer] & [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5415894 Riley : Das Mädchen im Licht]. Are these excerpts? You refer to them as 'appending advertising' in the notes to the publications in which they occur. Since the titles are exactly the same as the related titles, we append " (excerpt)". 'Das dunkle Feuer (excerpt)' & 'Riley: Das Mädchen im Licht (excerpt)'. (note my removal of the space in the second title). No need to resubmit, let me know and I will approve your submissions and make the changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:30, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, these are indeed excerpts as previews for the complete novels. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:46, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and updated. In the future, consider adding identifying information in the excerpt title note. 'First chapter', 'first 8 pages' 'the first story in the collection', etc. Any information which can help to determine whether subsequent excerpts need to be merged or disambiguated. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:12, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-moderation ==<br />
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Hello Zapp, <br />
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Had you thought about asking for getting permissions for self-moderation? If you prefer to stay as you are or to just wait a bit longer, that's ok but you are familiar with most of the DB, understand our varianting, pseudonyming and dating rules (which are usually the major problematic areas for most editors) so I am comfortable supporting an application for self-moderation from you if you wish to do that. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:07, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I am surprised by your offer. The following questions arise: What happens to my current pending edits if I accept the self-moderation? is there a control of the self-moderation edits? Can mistakes or errors be discovered? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 04:35, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Continued [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Anniemod#Self-moderation there]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 17:13, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Sorry, took the weekend off internet :) <br />
::: Why would you be surprised? You are one of the better editors around here, you know the DB and you rarely mess up. :) It is a community process - if you decide you want it, you post the request on the Community Support board and it will take a few days for people to say if they agree or not and so on before you get the flag (if people do not disagree too strongly).<br />
:::* The existing pending edits already submitted at the time of the adding of the flag will need to be handled by a moderator. Usually you can find a willing moderator to clear them for you (ping me if it gets to that).<br />
:::* Control is similar to the control for new moderators - the community assists - expect a moderator or three to stop by your page occasionally with a question about some of your edits or reminding you of some rules. Note that self-approver's edits CAN be approved by a moderator if needed and you can always just ask someone for assistance (before or after an edit) if you are not sure.<br />
:::* Errors and mistakes: the same way it happens now - either via a cleanup report or via someone seeing it in the Recent Changes (or stumbling on it later)<br />
:::If you prefer to still stay under moderation for awhile longer, that's ok as well. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:32, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Okay, I'll post a request on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-moderation:_Zapp Community Support board]. Thanks. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:54, 20 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Congratulations, you are now a self-approver :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:08, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines series ==<br />
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Just as a reminder: the magazine name forms a series and not a publication series. We have some of these entered in both places - the pub series field needs to be cleaned up for these. Thus [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5432829 this rejection] :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:48, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Juvenile Flag ==<br />
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If the fiction title in a CHAPBOOK is flagged juvenile, then the container tile must also be flagged (and vice-versa). I fixed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3081666 this one]. They appear on the exception report [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?242 here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:29, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, January/February 2022 ==<br />
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Please be careful when adding external IDs - they need to match the edition. [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09WJZ387D This ASIN] is the paper issue, not the ebook (the fact that Amazon adds shipping tells you it is a physical book and not an ebook - among other clues on the page). I removed it from the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?875782 ebook record]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:46, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?912554 the March/April issue]. If you had done a lot of these in the last days, you may want to recheck all of them (welcome to self-moderation - you always recheck your work because you do not have someone checking every edit) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:49, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I saw but You've been faster. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 12:32, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: I am the PV of the first (thus seeing the change as soon as I opened the site for the day) and I just checked the rest of 2022 while I had the EDITOR record open anyway :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:57, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Avi Loeb novel? ==<br />
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Hi, it seems you established all the variants of titles by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352513 Avi Loeb]. But judging from Amazon and Loeb's Wikipedia entry "Extraterrestrial" ain't a novel but "a popular science account" (Wikipedia), and thus not eligible for our database. From where does the NOVEL title type stem? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:46, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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The German version also was reviewed as a piece of nonfiction in an issue of "Spektrum der Wissenschaft". Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:23, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: As I understood from the reviews, it is a speculative text about extraterrestrial technology based on interpretations of astronomical observations:<br>"Harvard’s top astronomer lays out his controversial theory that our solar system was recently visited by advanced alien technology from a distant star.<br>In late 2017, scientists at a Hawaiian observatory glimpsed an object soaring through our inner solar system, moving so quickly that it could only have come from another star. Avi Loeb, Harvard’s top astronomer, showed it was not an asteroid; it was moving too fast along a strange orbit, and left no trail of gas or debris in its wake. There was only one conceivable explanation: the object was a piece of advanced technology created by a distant alien civilization.<br>In Extraterrestrial, Loeb takes listeners inside the thrilling story of the first interstellar visitor to be spotted in our solar system. He outlines his controversial theory and its profound implications: for science, for religion, and for the future of our species and our planet. A mind-bending journey through the furthest reaches of science, space-time, and the human imagination, Extraterrestrial challenges listeners to aim for the stars - and to think critically about what’s out there, no matter how strange it seems."<br>Maybe it's NONFICTION ? Or an essay ? I'm going to read it. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 11:56, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: "speculative text about extraterrestrial technology based on interpretations of astronomical observation" will be etranslations ligible ONLY if it is fiction. Non-fictional speculative accounts (historical What-If, "is there life on other planets" and so on) are not eligible - the only non-fiction eligible to be added is non-fiction related to speculative fiction. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:40, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: The review describes it partly as an account of the obect's discovery and partly as a discussion if it might be an alien artifact (and that's the part where the speculation comes in, as Loeb is in favor of this interpretation); so, nonfiction it is. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:53, 22 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: FYI, all these titles showed up on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?287 Publications with Invalid Page Numbers] exception report. Only Arabic numerals are allowed in the pipe sort field. I fixed them before I saw this thread. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:13, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I've got a copy of the German edition at hand, and it ''is'' a (non-eligible) piece of nonfiction, so I'm going to delete some of the publications & titles (the other translations). Would you please help to delete (perhaps the English ones)? <br />
::::: For future additions: please apply more caution when entering new titles (just because something looks like a novel doesn't mean it has to be one). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:20, 3 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::: And one more thing: we do enter subtitles without a space between the title proper and the colon, so the title should have been entered as "Außerirdisch: Intelligentes Leben jenseits unseres Planeten" instead of "Außerirdisch : Intelligentes Leben jenseits unseres Planeten". Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:27, 3 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: By now, I've deleted all the titles, and read some relevant chapters: it seems to be possible that it was in fact an artifact that passed in 2017 through the Solar System. It's really a pity that we'll never know! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:47, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::::: I've been very busy the last time, so I paused here. I read the book, too, and found out it was in fact a nonfiction scientific book with parts of the author's biography. It comes close to other UFO declearing texts.<br />
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== Title Merging ==<br />
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I ran across a couple recent merges where the wrong values were selected:<br />
*For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5492711 this merge] of {{T|68309|For the Blood Is the Life}}: ISFDB standards are that "Is" should be capitalized. <br />
*For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5492665 this merge] of {{T|835276|Luella Miller}}: ISFDB standards are that we date variants based on the date the variant was first published, not the first appearance of the story overall. <br />
I have updated both records. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:22, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Murder and Magic - Coverart Record - Incorrectly Varianted ==<br />
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I recently created this new pub: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929549 Murder and Magic - Ace fourth printing] with a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3126118 Coverart record by R. Adragna]. I see from the edit history that you have varianted this to the artist's canonical name: Robert Adragna. However, all is not well. As you can see from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=contains&TERM_1=murder+and+magic&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=adragna&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title this search result], there are now two parent records for this coverart under the artist's canonical name. I think you varianted it to a new parent title whereas it should have been varianted to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?141169 this existing parent title]. I have submitted an edit to correct this by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5534236 merging the two parents]. NB: if you do not see this post until after the merge has been approved, then the search result above will only show one parent. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 14:03, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry for causing that confusion. It came from the existing of more than one alternate name. But that's no problem. As You found out all four records [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=contains&TERM_1=murder+and+magic&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=adragna&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title here] can be merged together. Go ahaed and try. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:35, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan #500 / German Science Fiction Times Nr. 118/19 ==<br />
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Hi, you may be pleased to know that I have managed to get my hands on the Feb/March edition of the German Science Fiction Times for 1971. On p. 39 it states that (a) with the beginning of February 1971 Moewig changed its day of publication from Wednesday to Friday and (b) that Perry Rhodan Nr. 500 was to be published on 26 March 1971. <br />
This means that the 'missing week' or surplus issue did not occur in 1972. Instead Moewig must have changed its day of publication ''at least'' twice, i.e from Friday to Wednesday sometime in the late 1960s and the back to Friday in Feb 1971. Which is very similar to what Pabel-Moewig did in December 2003, when the day switched from Tuesday (PR 2206 / 2 Dec 2003) back to Friday (PR 2207 / 5 Dec 2003).<br />
Now we 'only' need ebven older editions of SFT to pinpoint the preceding change(s). Cheers, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 03:59, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:That's interesting news. I have to think about again after a long period of resting. At the moment have a look [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Erscheinungstermine#Erstauflage here]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 17:19, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br><br />
:One question is: The Changing from Wednesday to Friday means the Friday after Wednesday or the Friday before Wednesday? I'm confused at the moment. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 17:35, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Without any further data it's going to be difficult to confirm. My personal assumption is that there would have been two numbers in one week, as happened in 2003 - but that's only guesswork. I'm still searching for older Science Fiction Times to confirm what really happened. Sadly, back in the day no references were made inside the actual publications. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 05:08, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: #500 on Friday, 26 March 1971; scheduled #493 on Friday 5 February 1971; on beginning of February (Monday, 1 February) changing from Wednesday (3 February) to Friday (5 February). I guess that means 2 days later, and no second issue the same week. It was not known a publishing day as of Wednesday, see table of publication days [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Ver%C3%B6ffentlichungen#Erstauflage here]. Anyhow, #500 is a new fixed point. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 06:28, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Exactly, at least #500 is fixed. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 08:37, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::: I copied Your statement into https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Diskussion:Sie_kamen_aus_dem_Nichts . My interest is in the exact words the information is published in SFT 118/119. Is it part of an essay or an advertisement by Moewig? I took a look into the ISFDB magazine page 'Science Fiction Times (German)'. There are a lot of issues missing. Is it possible for You to contribute the #118/119? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 01:40, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::: Continued [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JLochhas#Perry_Rhodan_#500 there]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 10:16, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cloning for an earlier edition ==<br />
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Just a hint, if you clone a publication to add an earlier edition (like you did [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5565528 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5565852 here], sometimes it's smarter to change the title dates before cloning. If there's only one edition in the database, the dates of all contents can be changed in one edit. Now it takes 22 edits to correct them all. Cheers, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 08:45, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes I know, I forgot to change the dates. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 08:59, 1 February 2023 (EST) <br> Done --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 09:12, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Basil of Baker Street ==<br />
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Hi, It appears that you converted all of series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?41700 The Great Mouse Detective] from novels and NOVELs to novelettes and CHAPBOOKs, perhaps based on my January beginning for the inaugural story T{{t|1987061}} [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5552096 with 12000-word estimate]. That was near top of my list to do after becoming a "self-approver", when I nominated myself last fortnight. <br><br />
By the way, the 12000 estimate is rough, but I'm certain #1 is well below 15000 and 90% sure #2-5 are below our novella threshold 17500 words, because they share publisher and illustrator, with page counts not very different. Anyway, here's letting you know that I did estimate, in case you missed it, and anyone asks you. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:37, 19 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: It occurs to me also that you may be working on one of the auto-generated Cleanup Reports.<br />
: Exploring the list of reports last hour, I see that you and I appear responsible for all 3 Juvenile/Non-juvenile Mismatches --all concerning the Nancy Drew short stories and collections, at the top of my list-- and 1 of 2 [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?195 Invalid Title Content Values] --I infer you should have removed "1-5" after Basil OMNIBUS conversion. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 19 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yes, You are right, I'm working on the cleanup reports. So I was directed to the Basil series. The titles' length should be more than 40,000 words or raughly more than 100 pages for a novel. The earliest printing of every volume of the series have all less than 100 pages. Since juvenile books usually have more illustations and less words, I assumed there was no indication of a novel length. If You have printed copies in Your hands and the opportunity to count the numbers of words exactly, so do it and change again. Maybe I overlooked or missed some other changes. Great if You found them and put them to the right. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 03:02, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Terry Pratchett ==<br />
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Hi, thanks for correcting the pub Dem Tod die Hand reichen [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?934954], i was unsure how to add this one. Welo (talk) 12:15, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Vernon Bowen ==<br />
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Hi, Zapp. <br />
Concerning [[Bio:Vernon Bowen]] (I fixed the "OCLC/WorldCat" link): There you conclude "(Original Source: University of Wisconsin)". Do you mean that UWisc is the original source for 1905 year of birth, or that OnlineBooks (now at UPenn) originated at UWisc? Is UWisc the publisher of ''An Encyclopaedia of Flying Saucers'' which probably-you cite in the Bowen author Note?<br />
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Library of Congress [https://lccn.loc.gov/n2006074367 LCNAF] now identifies Bowen as "Bowen, Vernon, 1899-" but LCCatalog records [!]use "Bowen, Vernon, 1905-", which should match LCNAF. I suppose the latter remains by failure to update fully after 2006 email communication. <br />
<br>[!] except one record of ''Ting Ling'' under "Bowen, Vernon. [from old catalog]". <br />
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Probably I will write to LC and ask about the "1905" --after I know what you mean. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:56, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Some time ago I found the author's birthdate in the ISFDB entry as of 1905 (by an unknown user, the Bowen author note was not created by me). Searching for more details I found different dates I put into 'Bio:Vernon Bowen'. The Online Books Page gives the author's year of birth 1905. The title 'The Emperor's white horses' (published by D. McKay [1956]) is to see on the HathiTrust website as a scan. The original book is owned by UWisc. So I guess the information about the year comes from 'The Online Books Page' (unknown source). No reference for DOB inside the book scan. My conclusion of the original source UWisc is apparently wrong. So go ahead and change it. Best source seems to be [https://lccn.loc.gov/n2006074367 here], good finding. 'An Encyclopaedia of Flying Saucers' (no ISFDB entry) seems to be the source for the first name "A." --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 17:33, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: <s>I guess 'An encyclopaedia of flying saucers', Author: A. Vernon Bowen [https://www.worldcat.org/title/1025371505 OCLC] was created by a different author concerning the publication date. See: https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=vernon+bowen&author=Bowen%2C+Vernon </s> --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 17:39, 15 March 2023 (EDT) - 'An encyclopaedia of flying saucers' entry at [https://www.amazon.com/Encyclopaedia-Flying-Saucers-Vernon-Bowen/dp/0977205924/ Amazon.com] has a memory of the author in Look Inside an on back cover scan but no DOB. On front cover there are the author's addresses. Maybe You can use that for further researches. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:07, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The text of that book is [https://archive.org/stream/majiall337/Maji%20all_djvu.txt here]. Inside: "Bowen went to^the public school# in his tetive village of Newtown, Ofeio" ... "He was graduated from Marietta in 1927", but no birth date. He wrote that in 1960, died at an age of 78y in Connecticut. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:22, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: How many people named "Vernon Bowen" may have lived in the USA You can see [https://sortedbyname.com/letter_b/b212381.html here]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 17:57, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Now I guess that's him: "BOWEN, VERNON was born 11 February 1905, received Social Security number 268-07-3663 (indicating Ohio) and, Death Master File says, died March 1982 Source: Death Master File (public domain)". --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:25, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::According to the address on the cover of the 'encyclopaedia of flying saucers' (Old Greenwich, Fairfield, Connecticut) I found [https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:VSBH-347 this entry] that confirmes my previous guess. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 02:51, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Yes, I agree that must be him. Death Master File is not likely off by one on year of death, so I think the open question about his vital numerical data is whether he lied about his age, actually born 1904 (and thus died at 78yo) or born 1905 (and thus died at 77yo).<br />
::: I am not a FamilySearch.org subscriber. Do you use that much?<br />
::: I do believe that later yesterday I learned several biographical tidbits but not to the point of vital dates. Apparently son Patrick H[arvey] Bowen, and grandson Harvey Bowen, are the sources cited by the ''Encyclopaedia'' publishers for 78yo, and by Jane Badger Books for yob 1905. Perhaps the FamilySearch mentions them?<br />
::: SortedByName.com is also new to me. Do you know the timespan for deaths that are on file?<br />
::: I will not write to LC soon.</div>
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<div>== Archives ==<br />
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[[User talk:Zapp/Archive-2015-2021|2015-2021]]<br />
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== Exhalation ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5412193 this submission]: I'm not seeing any artwork at the provided source that is titled "Exhalation". There are only 2 clear book covers, but neither are for a book titled Exhalation. Can you please clarify? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:00, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Artworks on that site are not entitled. Count #14 is [https://www.irancartoon.com/site/media/zgalleries/490c10ecfc3d658be2187738b8122907/greg-broadmore-new-zealand-66.jpg this one]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 13:22, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::That is the cover for ''Faction: Kiwi Comic Anthology, Issue 1''. It is also the same artwork used for {{P|788223|CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention}} (which credited Broadmore for it). What is your source that this same artwork was used for a book titled ''Exhalation'' and that it is the ''Exhalation'' that appeared in ''CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention''? Have you checked with Rtrace? He is pretty detailed and I would think that if the coverart for ''CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention'' had appeared within the pub twice, he would have varianted it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:24, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Ups, I confused coverart and interiorart, Sorry. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 14:32, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Varianting into another variant ==<br />
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Hi, I rejected your varianting a Swedish John Rackham title into a Swedisch John T. Phillifent title not only for the reason stated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5418530 here (top)], but also because you have put the translator only into the new variant. If the John T. Phillifent title gets varianted against its English original we'll lose the translator, because the then empty Swedish title has no publications and gets deleted. Always put the translator in the original translated work, and preferably variant against the original title.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 03:52, 13 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Excerpts? ==<br />
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I'm holding these two submissions, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5415893 Das dunkle Feuer] & [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5415894 Riley : Das Mädchen im Licht]. Are these excerpts? You refer to them as 'appending advertising' in the notes to the publications in which they occur. Since the titles are exactly the same as the related titles, we append " (excerpt)". 'Das dunkle Feuer (excerpt)' & 'Riley: Das Mädchen im Licht (excerpt)'. (note my removal of the space in the second title). No need to resubmit, let me know and I will approve your submissions and make the changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:30, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, these are indeed excerpts as previews for the complete novels. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:46, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and updated. In the future, consider adding identifying information in the excerpt title note. 'First chapter', 'first 8 pages' 'the first story in the collection', etc. Any information which can help to determine whether subsequent excerpts need to be merged or disambiguated. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:12, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-moderation ==<br />
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Hello Zapp, <br />
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Had you thought about asking for getting permissions for self-moderation? If you prefer to stay as you are or to just wait a bit longer, that's ok but you are familiar with most of the DB, understand our varianting, pseudonyming and dating rules (which are usually the major problematic areas for most editors) so I am comfortable supporting an application for self-moderation from you if you wish to do that. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:07, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I am surprised by your offer. The following questions arise: What happens to my current pending edits if I accept the self-moderation? is there a control of the self-moderation edits? Can mistakes or errors be discovered? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 04:35, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Continued [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Anniemod#Self-moderation there]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 17:13, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Sorry, took the weekend off internet :) <br />
::: Why would you be surprised? You are one of the better editors around here, you know the DB and you rarely mess up. :) It is a community process - if you decide you want it, you post the request on the Community Support board and it will take a few days for people to say if they agree or not and so on before you get the flag (if people do not disagree too strongly).<br />
:::* The existing pending edits already submitted at the time of the adding of the flag will need to be handled by a moderator. Usually you can find a willing moderator to clear them for you (ping me if it gets to that).<br />
:::* Control is similar to the control for new moderators - the community assists - expect a moderator or three to stop by your page occasionally with a question about some of your edits or reminding you of some rules. Note that self-approver's edits CAN be approved by a moderator if needed and you can always just ask someone for assistance (before or after an edit) if you are not sure.<br />
:::* Errors and mistakes: the same way it happens now - either via a cleanup report or via someone seeing it in the Recent Changes (or stumbling on it later)<br />
:::If you prefer to still stay under moderation for awhile longer, that's ok as well. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:32, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Okay, I'll post a request on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-moderation:_Zapp Community Support board]. Thanks. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:54, 20 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Congratulations, you are now a self-approver :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:08, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines series ==<br />
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Just as a reminder: the magazine name forms a series and not a publication series. We have some of these entered in both places - the pub series field needs to be cleaned up for these. Thus [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5432829 this rejection] :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:48, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Juvenile Flag ==<br />
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If the fiction title in a CHAPBOOK is flagged juvenile, then the container tile must also be flagged (and vice-versa). I fixed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3081666 this one]. They appear on the exception report [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?242 here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:29, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, January/February 2022 ==<br />
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Please be careful when adding external IDs - they need to match the edition. [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09WJZ387D This ASIN] is the paper issue, not the ebook (the fact that Amazon adds shipping tells you it is a physical book and not an ebook - among other clues on the page). I removed it from the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?875782 ebook record]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:46, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?912554 the March/April issue]. If you had done a lot of these in the last days, you may want to recheck all of them (welcome to self-moderation - you always recheck your work because you do not have someone checking every edit) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:49, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I saw but You've been faster. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 12:32, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: I am the PV of the first (thus seeing the change as soon as I opened the site for the day) and I just checked the rest of 2022 while I had the EDITOR record open anyway :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:57, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Avi Loeb novel? ==<br />
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Hi, it seems you established all the variants of titles by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352513 Avi Loeb]. But judging from Amazon and Loeb's Wikipedia entry "Extraterrestrial" ain't a novel but "a popular science account" (Wikipedia), and thus not eligible for our database. From where does the NOVEL title type stem? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:46, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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The German version also was reviewed as a piece of nonfiction in an issue of "Spektrum der Wissenschaft". Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:23, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: As I understood from the reviews, it is a speculative text about extraterrestrial technology based on interpretations of astronomical observations:<br>"Harvard’s top astronomer lays out his controversial theory that our solar system was recently visited by advanced alien technology from a distant star.<br>In late 2017, scientists at a Hawaiian observatory glimpsed an object soaring through our inner solar system, moving so quickly that it could only have come from another star. Avi Loeb, Harvard’s top astronomer, showed it was not an asteroid; it was moving too fast along a strange orbit, and left no trail of gas or debris in its wake. There was only one conceivable explanation: the object was a piece of advanced technology created by a distant alien civilization.<br>In Extraterrestrial, Loeb takes listeners inside the thrilling story of the first interstellar visitor to be spotted in our solar system. He outlines his controversial theory and its profound implications: for science, for religion, and for the future of our species and our planet. A mind-bending journey through the furthest reaches of science, space-time, and the human imagination, Extraterrestrial challenges listeners to aim for the stars - and to think critically about what’s out there, no matter how strange it seems."<br>Maybe it's NONFICTION ? Or an essay ? I'm going to read it. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 11:56, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: "speculative text about extraterrestrial technology based on interpretations of astronomical observation" will be etranslations ligible ONLY if it is fiction. Non-fictional speculative accounts (historical What-If, "is there life on other planets" and so on) are not eligible - the only non-fiction eligible to be added is non-fiction related to speculative fiction. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:40, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: The review describes it partly as an account of the obect's discovery and partly as a discussion if it might be an alien artifact (and that's the part where the speculation comes in, as Loeb is in favor of this interpretation); so, nonfiction it is. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:53, 22 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: FYI, all these titles showed up on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?287 Publications with Invalid Page Numbers] exception report. Only Arabic numerals are allowed in the pipe sort field. I fixed them before I saw this thread. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:13, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I've got a copy of the German edition at hand, and it ''is'' a (non-eligible) piece of nonfiction, so I'm going to delete some of the publications & titles (the other translations). Would you please help to delete (perhaps the English ones)? <br />
::::: For future additions: please apply more caution when entering new titles (just because something looks like a novel doesn't mean it has to be one). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:20, 3 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::: And one more thing: we do enter subtitles without a space between the title proper and the colon, so the title should have been entered as "Außerirdisch: Intelligentes Leben jenseits unseres Planeten" instead of "Außerirdisch : Intelligentes Leben jenseits unseres Planeten". Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:27, 3 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: By now, I've deleted all the titles, and read some relevant chapters: it seems to be possible that it was in fact an artifact that passed in 2017 through the Solar System. It's really a pity that we'll never know! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:47, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::::: I've been very busy the last time, so I paused here. I read the book, too, and found out it was in fact a nonfiction scientific book with parts of the author's biography. It comes close to other UFO declearing texts.<br />
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== Title Merging ==<br />
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I ran across a couple recent merges where the wrong values were selected:<br />
*For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5492711 this merge] of {{T|68309|For the Blood Is the Life}}: ISFDB standards are that "Is" should be capitalized. <br />
*For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5492665 this merge] of {{T|835276|Luella Miller}}: ISFDB standards are that we date variants based on the date the variant was first published, not the first appearance of the story overall. <br />
I have updated both records. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:22, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Murder and Magic - Coverart Record - Incorrectly Varianted ==<br />
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I recently created this new pub: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929549 Murder and Magic - Ace fourth printing] with a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3126118 Coverart record by R. Adragna]. I see from the edit history that you have varianted this to the artist's canonical name: Robert Adragna. However, all is not well. As you can see from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=contains&TERM_1=murder+and+magic&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=adragna&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title this search result], there are now two parent records for this coverart under the artist's canonical name. I think you varianted it to a new parent title whereas it should have been varianted to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?141169 this existing parent title]. I have submitted an edit to correct this by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5534236 merging the two parents]. NB: if you do not see this post until after the merge has been approved, then the search result above will only show one parent. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 14:03, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry for causing that confusion. It came from the existing of more than one alternate name. But that's no problem. As You found out all four records [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=contains&TERM_1=murder+and+magic&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=adragna&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title here] can be merged together. Go ahaed and try. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:35, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan #500 / German Science Fiction Times Nr. 118/19 ==<br />
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Hi, you may be pleased to know that I have managed to get my hands on the Feb/March edition of the German Science Fiction Times for 1971. On p. 39 it states that (a) with the beginning of February 1971 Moewig changed its day of publication from Wednesday to Friday and (b) that Perry Rhodan Nr. 500 was to be published on 26 March 1971. <br />
This means that the 'missing week' or surplus issue did not occur in 1972. Instead Moewig must have changed its day of publication ''at least'' twice, i.e from Friday to Wednesday sometime in the late 1960s and the back to Friday in Feb 1971. Which is very similar to what Pabel-Moewig did in December 2003, when the day switched from Tuesday (PR 2206 / 2 Dec 2003) back to Friday (PR 2207 / 5 Dec 2003).<br />
Now we 'only' need ebven older editions of SFT to pinpoint the preceding change(s). Cheers, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 03:59, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:That's interesting news. I have to think about again after a long period of resting. At the moment have a look [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Erscheinungstermine#Erstauflage here]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 17:19, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br><br />
:One question is: The Changing from Wednesday to Friday means the Friday after Wednesday or the Friday before Wednesday? I'm confused at the moment. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 17:35, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Without any further data it's going to be difficult to confirm. My personal assumption is that there would have been two numbers in one week, as happened in 2003 - but that's only guesswork. I'm still searching for older Science Fiction Times to confirm what really happened. Sadly, back in the day no references were made inside the actual publications. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 05:08, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: #500 on Friday, 26 March 1971; scheduled #493 on Friday 5 February 1971; on beginning of February (Monday, 1 February) changing from Wednesday (3 February) to Friday (5 February). I guess that means 2 days later, and no second issue the same week. It was not known a publishing day as of Wednesday, see table of publication days [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Ver%C3%B6ffentlichungen#Erstauflage here]. Anyhow, #500 is a new fixed point. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 06:28, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Exactly, at least #500 is fixed. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 08:37, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::: I copied Your statement into https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Diskussion:Sie_kamen_aus_dem_Nichts . My interest is in the exact words the information is published in SFT 118/119. Is it part of an essay or an advertisement by Moewig? I took a look into the ISFDB magazine page 'Science Fiction Times (German)'. There are a lot of issues missing. Is it possible for You to contribute the #118/119? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 01:40, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::: Continued [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JLochhas#Perry_Rhodan_#500 there]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 10:16, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cloning for an earlier edition ==<br />
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Just a hint, if you clone a publication to add an earlier edition (like you did [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5565528 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5565852 here], sometimes it's smarter to change the title dates before cloning. If there's only one edition in the database, the dates of all contents can be changed in one edit. Now it takes 22 edits to correct them all. Cheers, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 08:45, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes I know, I forgot to change the dates. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 08:59, 1 February 2023 (EST) <br> Done --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 09:12, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Basil of Baker Street ==<br />
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Hi, It appears that you converted all of series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?41700 The Great Mouse Detective] from novels and NOVELs to novelettes and CHAPBOOKs, perhaps based on my January beginning for the inaugural story T{{t|1987061}} [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5552096 with 12000-word estimate]. That was near top of my list to do after becoming a "self-approver", when I nominated myself last fortnight. <br><br />
By the way, the 12000 estimate is rough, but I'm certain #1 is well below 15000 and 90% sure #2-5 are below our novella threshold 17500 words, because they share publisher and illustrator, with page counts not very different. Anyway, here's letting you know that I did estimate, in case you missed it, and anyone asks you. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:37, 19 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: It occurs to me also that you may be working on one of the auto-generated Cleanup Reports.<br />
: Exploring the list of reports last hour, I see that you and I appear responsible for all 3 Juvenile/Non-juvenile Mismatches --all concerning the Nancy Drew short stories and collections, at the top of my list-- and 1 of 2 [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?195 Invalid Title Content Values] --I infer you should have removed "1-5" after Basil OMNIBUS conversion. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 19 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yes, You are right, I'm working on the cleanup reports. So I was directed to the Basil series. The titles' length should be more than 40,000 words or raughly more than 100 pages for a novel. The earliest printing of every volume of the series have all less than 100 pages. Since juvenile books usually have more illustations and less words, I assumed there was no indication of a novel length. If You have printed copies in Your hands and the opportunity to count the numbers of words exactly, so do it and change again. Maybe I overlooked or missed some other changes. Great if You found them and put them to the right. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 03:02, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Terry Pratchett ==<br />
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Hi, thanks for correcting the pub Dem Tod die Hand reichen [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?934954], i was unsure how to add this one. Welo (talk) 12:15, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Vernon Bowen ==<br />
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Hi, Zapp. <br />
Concerning [[Bio:Vernon Bowen]] (I fixed the "OCLC/WorldCat" link): There you conclude "(Original Source: University of Wisconsin)". Do you mean that UWisc is the original source for 1905 year of birth, or that OnlineBooks (now at UPenn) originated at UWisc? Is UWisc the publisher of ''An Encyclopaedia of Flying Saucers'' which probably-you cite in the Bowen author Note?<br />
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Library of Congress [https://lccn.loc.gov/n2006074367 LCNAF] now identifies Bowen as "Bowen, Vernon, 1899-" but LCCatalog records [!]use "Bowen, Vernon, 1905-", which should match LCNAF. I suppose the latter remains by failure to update fully after 2006 email communication. <br />
<br>[!] except one record of ''Ting Ling'' under "Bowen, Vernon. [from old catalog]". <br />
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Probably I will write to LC and ask about the "1905" --after I know what you mean. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:56, 15 March 2023 (EDT)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Bio:Vernon_Bowen&diff=657840
Bio:Vernon Bowen
2023-03-15T20:38:15Z
<p>Pwendt: fix URL worldcat.org</p>
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Vernon Bowen is listed in [https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n2006074367 OCLC/WorldCat] and his year of birth is given 1899. The [https://viaf.org/processed/LC%7Cn%202006074367 Library of Congress Authority File] has an E-mail from publisher, Sept 26, 2006: ‡b carrie.downes@wayne.edu: "Vern Bowen was born September 11, 1899." There is no other source found, yet, for the author's biography. So it is not clear if he is born in 1905, what is to see in [http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Bowen%2C%20Vernon%2C%201905%2D onlinebooks.library] (Original Source: University of Wisconsin). --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 15:42, 9 September 2019 (EDT)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Pwendt&diff=657761
User talk:Pwendt
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<p>Pwendt: /* A Little Boy Lost */ before the Stanley Cup returns to Canada (don't hold me to that!</p>
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<div>{{welcome}} --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 15:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Tough Guide to Fantasyland ==<br />
Hello, I have left a reply to your note at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#DAW Tough Guide to Fantasyland]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 15:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Signature ==<br />
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Regarding your question "Do I need a main User page in order for the four tildes to generate a User talk page link?"<br />
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To add a link to your talk page to your <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> signature you edit the Nickname field on '''[[Special:Preferences]]'''. I suspect at present the nickname is set to:<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]<br />
to add a link to the talk page make it<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]<br />
Because this example is on your talk page the example is displaying as "|'''talk'''" rather than as a clickable link. On other pages it will be a link to this page.<br />
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Some users are adding superscripts or parentheses.<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]<sup>[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]</sup></nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]<sup>[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]</sup><br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Pwendt|talk]])</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Pwendt|talk]])<br />
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If you don't want a red link then just link to the talk page:<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User talk:Pwendt|]]</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User talk:Pwendt|Pwendt]]<br />
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Changes to the nickname won't fix pages that you had signed earlier using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 19:36, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Done using 'Pwendt|talk'. This is one test. [[User:Pwendt|&#91;&#91;User:Pwendt&#124;&#93;&#93;&#124;&#91;&#91;User talk:Pwendt&#124;talk&#93;&#93;]] 23:29, 9 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks. Following exchange with Mhhutchins at the Help Desk, done with the same nickname and "Raw signatures (without automatic link)". This is a another test. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 10 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::As this test show, the "talk" doesn't link when it's posted on the page to which it is linked. Took me a second to realize that! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:04, 10 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Author data ==<br />
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I accepted your submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?176002 this author]'s data, but had to make a few corrections. The Legal Name field should be entered in the format: Lastname, Firstname Middlename. Also I changed the Wikipedia link from the German version to the English version. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:14, 13 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. I see that another reviewer quietly rearranged a First Middle Last yesterday. <br />
: I missed your note then, probably because I supposed that my "new messages" notice at the database referred to your preceding note. Now I will learn whether a reply to the *latest* message alone will turn off that notice. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:58, 17 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: Yes, it does turn off the notice.<br />
:: P.S. Just now I submitted a change for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1455224 that author's book], the correct publ date for book 3 in a series we don't have. Not finding "Add New Series" in the left margin and finding I am too tired to look further now, so i am warned "Unknown Series". Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:04, 18 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Don't be afraid of the "unknown series" warning. It just means we don't have it in the database, or it could be in a different name. The slightest variation will generate the warning, which allows you the opportunity to search the db or to submit when you're certain that the series name you've provided is correct. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:58, 18 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::: Thanks --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:32, 24 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Since you're making an effort to add the Wikipedia link to these author's data summary, you could simultaneously update the birthdate and birth place data as well. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:04, 26 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::OK, I'll use "My Recent Edits" to revisit those people at Wikipedia-EN. <br />
::::::Do I add "language: English" by default because English is my language setting?<br />
::::::I noticed one evident duplicate and didn't quickly find how to merge people, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?77305 author 77305] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?170359 author 170359]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:54, 26 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Demigod Files'' ==<br />
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Instead of updating the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?534240 publication record] for the first edition, changing it to a third printing, you should have cloned the record and creating a new record based on your copy. I've created another record for the first printing. Now you'll need to change the publication date to "0000" (displayed as "unknown") if the third printing date isn't stated and update the Note saying the data is from Amazon. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. Just now I submitted a next stage with this Note to Moderator:<br />
: Augmentation in progress, primary transient verification to follow.<br />
: This contents listing omits 5 "interviews" with campers that span p64-76; a puzzle, etc, and answers that span p134-142. None worth the length of their titles but is there an alternative? The text of the first story does run p5-29 as the submitted contents listing now roughly implies but the other two stories run p33-63 and p85-133 which is not roughly implied here.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:57, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: And Antonio Caparo, The Demigod Files (character illustrations) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1933227 ISFDB Title Record # 1933227] --a title that I composed as the 8-page insert is not mentioned in the book table of contents-- update with this Note to Moderator<br />
:: The illustrations featured in this copy are 8 of the 26 now displayed by Disney at the bottom of its Percy Jackson and the Olympians series page [http://readriordan.com/series/percy-jackson-and-the-olympians/]. As these may be the most important 8 among those 26 characters, I suppose that all copies of the book contain the same selection. I don't know whether this Disney page is one that should be linked in the public note; I guess not because I suppose the crucial content is not stable.<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:21, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::You should probably add the information that you provided in the Note to Moderator field to the Note field. As I've said before, the Note to Moderator field disappears, and should only be ''about the submission'' and not about the publication. It is used to aid the moderator in their decision to accept the submission. Also, you don't have to duplicate the Note to Moderator when responding to a message here on your talk page. It's unnecessarily redundant (which I suppose is unnecessarily redundant itself! :)<br />
:::You have the option to link to pertinent websites in a special field of a title record, which you can do for the character illustrations if you wish. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:49, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Done: submitted extensions to the Publication notes from material in the Moderator notes quoted here. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:21, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Foundling'' ==<br />
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Submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547462 this record] was accepted, but I made the following changes:<br />
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* Disambiguated the titles of works which have generic titles<br />
* Changed the title of the map to the ISFDB standard<br />
* Changed the credit of the pronunciation guide from "unknown" to "uncredited". The former should be used only if the editor/publisher of the work acknowledges that the author of the work isn't known.<br />
* Fixed the Note field to add bullet points to every note (the last one was entered after the bulleted points.) <br />
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Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:09, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Can you advise me what is to be done when a generic title needs to be reused --further disambiguated again. Or not. If "About the Author" in a book of another title is identical, do we use a single title? and if so fashioned how? If another map of Prydain is not listed in the contents, provided with a heading, or internally titled, what to call it? Reuse "Prydain" (map) with a different date? What if one of those titles if available and with what priority? <br />
: For example, the map of Prydain (c) 1964 Evaline Ness, in the same style but different in content, which illustrates ''The Book of Three'' *is* internally titled "The Land of Prydain", internally meaning part of the artist's design. And for example, I know by examination that Henry Holt reused "About the Author" in multiple Prydain titles and editions, if not other Lloyd Alexander books too.<br />
: Perhaps there is an obvious place for me to read the instructions or the discussion concerning these issues. (I expect to return to Prydain rather fully only in December.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:28, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Any generic titles, like "Introduction", "Preface", "Afterword", "About the Author", etc. must be parenthetically disambiguated with the title of the publication in which they are contained. If the exact same work appears in other publications, then the records will have to be merged, if they have the same author credit and title, or varianted if they do not. Variants are based on a change in author credit, or a change in title, but not a change in text. <br />
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::Maps can be titled based on a caption, or a title within the map itself. If they are not titled, they should be given the title of the work they illustrate, just like all records typed as INTERIORART. They are given the title "Title of Work (map)" to distinguish them from other illustrations that may be contained in the same publication. If they appear in other publications, one title should be determined by a consensus of the primary editors, and the records can be merged, otherwise each will retain their title and then varianted to the record of its first publication. If there are specific cases for which you have questions, you can post it on the [[ISFDB:Help desk]]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:52, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: Thanks.<br />
::: By the way, reading [[Help:Screen:NewPub#General contents]] i see that I entered correct page numbers for The Foundling (which I primary verified) only by accident, because the table of contents gives the numbers of pages where contents begin rather than the numbers of chapter title pages. <br />
::: Almost certainly I followed a table of contents that does give page numbers of standalone chapter title pages when I entered The Demigod Files [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?534240]. The last sentence of my careful notes makes this clear, "Text of the first story does span p. 5-29 as this listing roughly implies ..." (listing gives page 3). No disaster. Instructions show that a verifier must also complete the Contents list, whose irritatingly trivial items I passed over (same Note).<br />
::: Thank you for your time and good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::I would suggest in the future that you never use a publication's contents page to enter titles into an ISFDB publication record. It may take a while longer to go through each page of a book or magazine, but it makes for a more accurate record of the publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Throne of Fire'' ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to add a new record of this title. It appears to be identical to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346772 this record]. Is there a reason for not updating the existing record instead of creating a new one? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:12, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Hi, Mhh ;-)<br />
: Only that this copy specifies first printing with no date other than 2011 copyrights while the existing record specifies May 2011 without printing number. I know that s/he/we/they editors would not have the printing number in Amazon data but I (mis?)understood that to be the point of your note above that I should (and you did put into effect) cloned rather revision of the first edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547336 ISFDB Publication Record # 547336].<br />
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::That's because the publication you were working with was clearly indicated as a third printing. We have to assume that records from secondary sources (like Amazon) give the publication date of the first printing. That's why you should not have overwritten that record. Once you did that I had no choice but to clone the original to create a record for the first printing which would have disappeared because of your submission changing it to a third printing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:35, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I see now that Kirkus did cover The Throne of Fire with a contemporary review and provide Publ date 2011-05-03 that matches both month and day of our "Data from Amazon and Worldcat as of 2012-08-31." in the record we have. Kirkus Reviews ''The Throne of Fire'' [https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/rick-riordan/throne-fire]. This is relevant broadly (had I looked for it yesterday, say) but from you I infer that it is not crucial. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: I can't say I never thought of doing such a thing, just overlooked. For The Serpent's Shadow last week I replaced citation of Amazon with "Kirkusreviews.com gives publ. date 2012-05-01 from contemporary review (-06-01 in print) as archived."<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:59, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Publication dates are provided by the publisher to both the retailer (Amazon) and the reviewer (Kirkus). So you can cite any reliable secondary source for data that isn't present in the publication itself. I don't know of any publisher who actually states the ''day of publication'' in the books themselves. Amazon provides the exact date for 99% of all books published since their inception in the mid-90s, and that date can be used in ISFDB records, ''as long as you cite the secondary source for data that's not present in the actual publication.'' [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:31, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'm still holding your submission. If you believe your copy is the same one represented by the current record, regardless of the publication date given in the record, please cancel it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:05, 19 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::: I am traveling with occasional short stints online, only a moment now. Do you mean cancel this and augment the other record with the new data? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:54, 19 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Title reference content record ==<br />
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When creating a publication record, don't add a content record for the title itself, but only for other contents. The system does that automatically. So when you add a NOVEL-typed record, a title reference record is created for the NOVEL. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?548363 this publication record] and you'll see that there are now two content records for the novel. Let me know when you've read this so that I can remove one of them from the record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:02, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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You made the same mistake with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?548364 this record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:03, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: I see, that is because I am not adding a title, which is already in the system (and linked to a series in this case, "Mary Poppins in the Park • [Mary Poppins • 4]"). Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:57, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: If you use the "Add publication to this title" function, as you did in both of these cases, you shouldn't add a content title for the title to which you're adding a publication. (Hope that makes sense.) In the future, when you're creating a new publication record, regardless of the type of publication or the function you use to create it, do not create a content title for the work itself. I'll clean up the record and remove (and delete) the duplicate titles. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:19, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: It makes sense. The matter now is to recall the point when looking at an empty contents list. Thanks for your help. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:36, 25 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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I have provided a partial answer at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#A Wizard of Earthsea]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 22:54, 27 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Mary Poppins in the Park'' ==<br />
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I've accepted your submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?83118 this record], but not before cloning it to create another record for what is presumably the first printing. If in the future you see that the publication is not a first printing, either stated or inferred from a number line, you should clone the existing record since it usually represents the first printing unless stated. I also zeroed the date field to show that the publication date of this second printing is not known. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:45, 8 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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About the page count field, adding brackets around a number indicates that there is a range of unnumbered pages on which significant content appears. So they should never be placed around roman numbers, since that indicates that the pages are roman numbered. What were your intentions in this case? And what appears on the "+[1]" page? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:48, 8 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Page "+[1]" --or 283, immed. following 282 where the novel ends with "Chelsea, London, etc" in nonfiction voice-- is about the author, untitled and uncredited, in the publisher's voice. Now after rereading instruction on what to leave out --viz. [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Contents included with exceptions]] (sec 2.3 bullet 2)-- that it qualifies as "otherwise insignificant". Rereading the same Help, sec 1.5 "Pages", it follows that 282 rather than "282+[1]" is correct.<br />
: None of the 20 pages preceding page 1 carries a roman numeral number. The map, pp [iv-v] in my notation, begins on the second sheet of ordinary stock, verso and ends on the third sheet, recto. The primary purpose of roman numerals in the update as submitted is to locate the map on the 4th/5th of 20 pages that precede page 1. I think also that I was pleased to count them, find 20; count the pages beyond page 282, find 2; and calculate 304 pages as stated by Amazon, presumably from the publisher's count of 152 sheets ordinary stock.<br />
: On page xvii in my notation there is an untitled note from the writer PLT explaining that Mary Poppins 4 is unlike books 1-3. It isn't a novel in some senses the first three are novels (chronological sequence of episodes, albeit loose; MP arrives in the first one, MP leaves in the last one; etc). I don't plan to suggest that it be recatalogued as COLLECTION, because i suppose it is so commonly considered a novel that it would merely be confusing to say otherwise. But I thought it note somewhere. Possibly I introduced roman numerals because I had in mind citing this later as page xvii of xx.<br />
: [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages]] (sec 1.5 sub-bullet 3) together with sec 2.6.2 "Page" imply that "[20]+282" is the correct format or syntax if it will be done, with "[4]" and "[17]" page references for the map and the author's note if they are entered as Contents. <br />
: I will now submit an update that covers incorporates all this as I understand it ... done. Feel free to reject or hold with comment here. I expect to be here for only several more minutes but again in 12 to 20 hours.<br />
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:;Author's Note, ''Mary Poppins in the Park'' <!-- note to self for now<br />
transcribe or describe this somewhere, maybe Wikipedia <br />
Have we no wiki pages for titles? Only for series and publications it appears to me now, visiting title Mary Poppins in the Park and its parent series and child publ. <br />
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:''Identical in the 1952 American edition and in this 1997/2006? edition/printing.''<br />
:"The adventures in this book should be understood to have happened during any of the three visits of Mary Poppins to the Banks family [books 1 to 3]. This is a word of warning to anybody who may be expecting they are in for a fourth visit. She cannot forever arrive and depart. And, apart from that, it should be remembered that three is a lucky number.<br />
:"Those who already know Mary Poppins will also be familiar with many of other characters who appear here. And those who don't--if they want to know them more intimately--can find them in the earlier volumes. // P. L. T.<br />
:--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:24, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach ==<br />
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I have replied to your message at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 07:17, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I added another reply to [[User talk:Marc Kupper#Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 08:21, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Author's Note (Mary Poppins Opens the Door)" ==<br />
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I changed the date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1942007 this record] from 1943 to 1944. We use the date a work is first published, not when it was written. It's highly probable that this appeared in the first publication of the novel. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:29, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I also found the date when [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1941942 this essay] was first published. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:48, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. In fact I thought to enter the original paper as a New Essay, based on data in the omnibus pp 1022-24, but I didn't see how to add new essay *and* it occurred to me that, if unpublished, it should not be in the database at all. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:40, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, it was published...but in a nongenre publication. That's why I recorded it in the Note field and changed the date of the record to the date of its first publication. We wouldn't use the date on which the paper was presented, since that doesn't represent an actual publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:30, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== 2nd printing of ''The Black Cauldron'' ==<br />
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When you cloned the record for the first printing to create [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551383 this record] for the second printing, you kept the original publication date. I have changed it to "0000". Be careful when cloning that you carefully examine the data in each field that is being retained. I personally do not use the "Clone This Pub" function if the publication isn't a container-typed record, i.e. a COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, or OMNIBUS. I use the "Add Publication to This Title" function for NOVEL-typed records. This avoids the strong possibility of copying the wrong data to a new publication record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:21, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Creating Bibliography and Biography wiki pages ==<br />
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When creating [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:Margot_Zemach this page], you removed the template which links it back to the author's summary page in the database. There's a warning at the time of creation that tells editors to not remove the header which looks like this:<br />
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Once you've acknowledged reading this message, I will restore the template so that the page is linked. Keep this in mind in the future when creating any bibliography or biography pages on wiki. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Yes I have read this and I have read the deletion log notice at [[Bio:Margot Zemach]] --which turned from blue to red as I was writing you about that very point. Blue preview, red save! --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:43, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I've restored the link by adding the template <nowiki>{{AuthorHeader}}</nowiki> to the top of the page. If you come across any other Bibliographic comments wiki page without a link back to the database, simply add that template in an edit to the page. By the same principle, you can add <nowiki><br />
{{BioHeader}}</nowiki> to a Biography page with a missing link. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:56, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Wolves of Willoughby Chase'' ==<br />
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I'm not sure if there should be two separate records for the interior art in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?552854 this publication]. From your notes it appears that the two artists are the same. Also, there's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50348 another record] for what is almost the same edition. The only difference is the price, and being from a secondary source, it's suspect. 01:21, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]]<br />
: The cover designs do not match (re Amazon we have discussed that some online sources mix-and-match cover images and editions/printings; I know that is true of WorldCat also). The cover design of my book matches the 3rd and 5th images in our [ [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/titlecovers.cgi?13699 current display of all covers], rather than the 2nd image or the 8th 13th and 15th images, all from the same cover art by Edward Gorey. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:11, 25 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I've pointed out earlier that the cover images attached to unverified records should not be the basis for creating separate records, especially if that's the only difference. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:24, 26 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it best to enter interiorart data based on what is explicit in the book. With time for some exploration now, I find confirmation at CopyrightEncyclopedia.com, a source new to me. [http://www.copyrightencyclopedia.com/the-wolves-of-willoughby-chase-by-joan-aiken-illustrated-by/ "''The Wolves'' ... by Pat Marriott, pseud. of Patricia Eleanor Howard"]. To me it seems clear that both names should be in the database with this note and I will submit the pseudonym--legalname relation now, no action on the two interiorart records. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:11, 25 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Now i submitted only Howard as legal name of Marriott. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:23, 25 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::But according to your record the book explicitly credits Pat Marriott on the title page as the illustrator. We don't use copyright data to determine credit unless there is no other credit in the publication. If all the illustrations are by the same person, there's no reason to create a separate content record for another name credited on the copyright page. If you've determined that her legal name was "Patricia Eleanor Howard", and unless there is not a record which explicitly credits Howard, then we don't need to create a pseudonym and variant. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:24, 26 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: I was able to ascertain the identity of Patricia Eleanor Howard and Pat Marriott --that is, to find the one source CopyrightEncyclopedia.com linked above-- only later and upon some investigation. I think you suggest, or urge, that Patricia Eleanor Howard appear in the Legal Name and Note fields of the database only; not Alternative Names until if/when we have some genre publication published under that name. So the INTERIORART title that I created should be deleted rather than "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work", which would make [P.E.H.] one of Pat Marriott Alternate Names. [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, the publication record should only contain a single content record for the work as it is credited in the publication. Any variants are created for titles but that should be no concern when you're working from a publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Supposing one INTERIORART content for this book (perhaps to be used eventually for all U.S. eds and some later U.K. eds illustrated by Marriott), I think it should carry the later date 1963. That is, maintain at least two Wolves of Willoughby Chase interiorart titles for Marriott rather than one (merge all) the 1962 date of the first ed. I say this by analogy to the expansion of a SHORTFICTION or fix-up of a COLLECTION (or a collection of SHORTFICTION never published as a COLLECTION) as a NOVEL. Do you agree? [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::It should carry the date of the publication unless it can be determined that the work appears in an earlier publication. Even if we have yet to create a record for the publication, you can change the date of any later reprints of the same work. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Somewhere, presumably under Help:, there is stricture concerning the merger of interiorart records for a single fiction title, to proceed iirc only if the full set of illustrations is used in both editions. I don't find it easily now and may recall incorrectly. [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::My opinion: This is basically a '''fiction''' database (the "F" in ISFDB), and any effort to record individual works of art is beyond the purposes of this database. If we know an artist illustrated a novel, and that a later printing of that novel contain illustrations from the same artist, it's not incumbent upon the editor to confirm that all of the illustrations are identical before merging the title records which represent '''the illustrating of the novel'''. Requiring that an ISFDB editor make such positive identification of each interior art record would be impossible. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: I wait for reply before any editing of ''The Wolves'' records. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hello, in the note field, you should use the HTML syntax (with tags) instead of the wiki one (with brackets). If not, it will lead to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?552975 such display]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:49, 26 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Notifying primary verifiers of changes to PV records ==<br />
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It is ISFDB policy to first discuss most changes to primary verified records with the verifying editors before making those changes. If you're adding notes to the record, you can usually do the notification simultaneously with the submission. Most editors have a notification preference at the top of their talk pages. I had to reject the submission to add contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11134 this PV record] for that reason. (Also, because the title and author of one of the content records was reversed, e.g. an essay titled "Bill Fawcett" authored by "Introduction...".) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:33, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I just noticed that had discussed it with the editor. (It was from about a week ago and I missed it.) I will try to reconstruct the changes to the notes, and enter the contents (correctly credited and titled). Again, sorry. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:36, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I see you made a subsequent submission to make the corrections. Rejecting the first submission before making a second submission to correct it would have been better, especially if I had accepted the submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:39, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Yearling ed. of ''Peter Graves'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?554604 this publication]: the format of the catalog number as it appears on the spine, "440-6889-075", is an early method some publishers used for paperbacks. The first three digits are the SBN-assigned publisher number which later became part of the ISBN. The second set of numbers is the publisher's catalog number. And the last set of numbers is the price designation. The catalog number, in this case "6889", would usually appear on the front cover as well. If there is no other number on the book, you can enter this number into the ISBN/Catalog # field of the ISFDB record, preceded by the "#" symbol. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:43, 6 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: (as I said) Back cover "010-014" may be catalog number but ...<br />
: Probably that means recommended ages 10 to 14. I'll get back to it but not today. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover: The Sea of Monsters ==<br />
:::: ''export notes to self [mistakenly posted here last hour 18:36, from both top and bottom of this section to [[User talk:Pwendt#Rick Riordan]] --Pwendt 19:38''<br />
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Hello, I've rejected your submission to change the date to 2014 for a 2006 publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1130253 here]. Can you be more precise regarding what you're intending to achieve? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 19:16, 9 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: My Recent Edits shows that you accepted at 14:14:41 so I surmise that you returned to undo that by hand (and database 14:14:41 is wiki 19:41, or one or the other displays the hour as relatively). Now I see too that the same change of date was accepted 2015-12-17 22:47:28 along with the prose Note (mine).<br />
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: I was trying correctly to date the cover art by John Rocco whose image we link there, per explanation in the Note. Of course, it was not used on the cover of the listed 2006 publication, which was perhaps the first edition of the novel --not verified, so correction of the cover image is for its someday primary verifier to correct, right?<br />
: What happens if the cover record is unlinked from the only publication that currently links it?<br />
: FYI the displayed cover is used in the 2014 boxed set where we display an image of the box with three books inside it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?445539 Publ 445539].<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:02, 9 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::As I understand what you wrote, the cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82094 for this publication] is not the correct one (it's a later -2014- cover art). If you're sure of this and depending on the data you have, don't hesitate to (either) 1) change the cover of the 2006 publication by uploading the correct one (use the "Upload new cover scan" and enter the URL), 2) link the 2006 publication to another correct amazon cover (just change the URL), 3) completely remove the cover record (via "Remove Titles From This Pub") leaving the 2006 publication as a coverless record (which is perfectly authorized as it's not PVed). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 09:11, 10 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: As an aside, I wonder whether moderators (not I) are able to check whether the field Image URL has been revised since a publication record was primary verified? (I know that the manual urges editors to be cautious about revising primary verified records, and to give notice at the user pages of the primary verifiers before/when they submit such revisions, and that some moderators check for such notices before they approve such submissions.) <br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::When the amazon (or ISFDB) URL is changed, the submission passes in the moderator's queue and is approved (we saw both the old and new images) so there's a limited check (personally, I tend to trust what's submitted and don't always check the covers' precise dates). The only case when there's no check is when a new image is uploaded via the "upload cover scan" which is a non-moderator-approved process. But, as we're limited in disk space, the moderators "hunt" for images with multiple versions, allowing for some degree of control. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:21, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: ''export notes to self [mistakenly posted here last hour 18:36, from both top and bottom of this section to [[User talk:Pwendt#Rick Riordan]]'' --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:38, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Harcourt Young Classics ed. of ''Mary Poppins'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?555136 this record]: I changed the publication date from "1934" to "0000" (displayed as "unknown"). Nothing in your notes indicate this printing was published in 1934, and with an ISBN, it's impossible. Also, can you confirm how the publisher is stated on the title page? Harcourt Young Classics appears to be an imprint of Harcourt. According to the Amazon "Look Inside", the publisher is "Harcourt, Inc." which we enter as simply "Harcourt". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:45, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Title page displays "Harcourt, Inc."; copyright page gives street address including "Harcourt, Inc."<br />
: I presume that all of Harcourt Young Classics, Odyssey Classics, HMH Children's Books, HMH Books for Young Readers --from this book and other recent eds of Mary Poppins here and at Amazon-- are imprints of Harcourt or prev. Harcourt & World, Harcourt Brace, HBJ; subseq. Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, etc. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:56, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::It is ISFDB standard (whether its documented or not) to use the title page publisher credit when possible. So the record should be changed to give "Harcourt" as the publisher. Imprints are entered if they are present on the title page. For example, all current books from William Morrow have the title page credit "William Morrow" (over) "An imprint of HarperCollinsPublishers" which we enter as "William Morrow / HarperCollins". If a publisher becomes an imprint (like William Morrow), we can easily track the publisher history by separating the books as published. If a book is reprinted under a subsequent incarnation of a publisher, then the ISFDB record must give the publisher as credited in the printing of the book which it records, whether it is Harcourt & World, Harcourt Brace, HBJ, etc. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Do you refer to your aspiration to get away from entering imprints in the Publisher field, as we routinely do? (Skim 'Ha' or 'Ho' in the publisher directory.) Or growing consensus? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:56, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::The publisher field is the only place we have to record imprints. If by "you" you're referring to the collective editors, I can't say. I, personally, have no aspirations to change the current way imprints are entered. There may have been some talk in the past to create a separate field but there's been no discussion about it lately. You can raise the subject on the Community Portal page to see if there's a chance of a change in the foreseeable future. If we do create a separate field for the imprint, then it should be easy to do system-generated edits to the records without manually editing thousands of records...but only if the editors who created and/or updated them have used the current method of separating imprint from publisher in the publisher field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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If I understand you correctly "Harcourt Young Classics" in the publisher field only as "Harcourt Young Classics / Harcourt". (The former now appears in the publisher directory(*) and the latter does not. I looked this up before submitting Harcourt Young Classics as the publisher.<br />
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On the general point, I meant in other words whether this is a plan to curate the publisher directory, presumably to eliminate entries such as "Dell Yearling" (imprint) and "Dell Yearling Newbery" (imprint and publication series) in favor of entries that identify the publisher properly -- with a slash followed by Doubleday, Dell or Bantam, Doubleday, Dell or whatever. (At the moment there is no slash entry in the directory alphabetized with "Dell Yearling".)<br />
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For publishers --that is, valid Publisher field entries-- familiar to me from the publisher directory, more often the "Publisher" column of the tables that ISFDB displays in Title records for named contents, often general knowledge or the front cover (as "A Dell Yearling Book" across the top) i usually enter that. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:47, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:The publisher directory isn't curated. It's generated by the system and includes every unique publisher in the database. If I incorrectly entered the publisher as "Del Ray", it would create a new listing under that name. There are probably thousands of records in the database which should be cleaned up to present a clearer record of how the publisher is stated. Unfortunately, there's not that many editors here who can make the time and effort to undertake such a gargantuan task. That's why we at least try to get the primary verified records to match the stated publisher, and because publisher credits vary from spine to front/back cover, title page, and copyright page, we ask that editors use the credit from the title page, as 99% of all books give the publisher there. As for records sourced from secondary sources, when I stumble upon them, I usually try to change them to the publisher as given in the OCLC record. The librarians who edit that database are asked to use the title page publisher credit, so at least we have their data to fall back on. Using the front cover credit is usually not a good idea, because too often it's a publication series and not the imprint or publisher. BTW, there is only one record now in the database for "Harper Young Classics" (the one you entered), because the only other record which had that credit was a non-verified record, and checking on OCLC, I determined it should have been entered as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?53112 Odyssey / Harcourt Young Classic / Harcourt]. So I corrected it. That leaves yours. And as I suggested above, you should use the title page credit of "Harcourt". If your copy has any indication anywhere else of the imprint of "Odyssey / Harcourt Young Classic" you can add that to the publisher field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:44, 13 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== LCCN and title or publication-specific data ==<br />
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The Library of Congress Control Number should be provided (and linked if possible) in the Note field of the publication record to which the number has been assigned. It should not be entered into the Note field of the title record, since titles are frequently republished with a different LCCN. A good rule of thumb about which data to note in which record (the title or the publication): if it applies to a specific publication, it should go in the publication record; if it applies to '''the work''' and not a specific publication, it should be noted in the title record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Harcourt, Brace & Company ==<br />
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In the 1950s, the publisher was known as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?41100 Harcourt, Brace & Company]. In the 1960s, after it merged with World Publishing, it became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1909 Harcourt, Brace & World]. In the 1970s through 1993, it added the chairman's name and became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?267 Harcourt Brace Jovanovich]. Then it was purchased by another corporation and became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?263 Harcourt Brace]. In 2007, it was purchased by Houghton Mifflin with the new company named [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28152 Houghton Mifflin Harcourt]. I've updated or reverted those Edgar Eager records which don't reflect this chronology. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:51, 16 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Three days ago there was greater variation in database use of "Harcourt, Brace and Company" and "Harcourt Brace". Did you revise other records to fit the ideal timeline? Did you overlook the one verified by Nihonjoe {{p|518183}}?<br />
: Given a policy, or consensus, to use in the database a particular name version for a particular book-issuing entity during a particular timespan, there remains a danger in such rationalizing policy. It depends on validity of the Year field as a book-issuing date --that is, a publication date in the sense of database "publication" records, a printing date. (The Year field isn't isn't rich enough to do what we should aspire to do re information about timing.)<br />
: I agree concerning "Harcourt, Brace" in regard to the Tales of Magic that LC and ISFDB merely use different canonical names with and without "and Company"; no doubt there are other cases where they differ about "& Company", "and Co.", and so on. Regarding "Harcourt, Brace & World", it's much more likely that different uses of the year fields are the crux of the matter. LC Catalog uses two year fields mainly, perhaps others in freeform notes. "Harcourt, Brace & World" with a year prior to 1961 is evidence that the year is a copyright date or edition date rather than a printing date. Same as ISBN with the same year would be. If we take the year for granted as a printing date and standardize the publisher (value of Publisher field) on that basis, such evidence is lost.<br />
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: What is your interpretation of the one 1998 and one 1999 publications by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?231 "Harcourt"] and the two 2000 publications by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?263 "Harcourt Brace"]? Those records are internally anachronistic --the 1998 and 2000 on basis of year alone; the 1999 because it is 1999-01[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?231+1999] where 1999-12 would be plausible. (Part of half of the answer is that the 1998 and 1999 are "date unknown" printings, probably 2000 or later if no catalog errors otherwise.)<br />
: (I'll get back to the Magic series.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:32, 19 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mary Poppins and the House Next Door ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89072 this record] which you converted from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK: one thing to keep in mind when doing such conversions: If you change the NOVEL title reference record during the pub record edit to SHORTFICTION, you have to add a new title reference record for the CHAPBOOK. It can be done in the Contents section of the entry form during the same submission. Otherwise the book's title won't appear on the author's summary page. (The story title will.) I'll add the title record for you. Also, I doubt that the book isn't paginated, even if the OCLC's page count number is bracketed. That could also mean that there were 96 pages but the last page wasn't numbered. That happens a lot in books. We'll leave it as is until another secondary source either confirms or denies the page count. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:40, 25 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: The US edition is paginated. I thought that I would convert NOVEL to CHAPBOOK following the manual [[Help:How to convert a novel to a chapbook#Converting a NOVEL publication to a CHAPBOOK]] where instructions begin with conversion of a publication record, so I started there with first edition --EditPub, not AddPub for copy in hand-- and resorted to online catalogue data for more info. I planned to continue with one instruction or another after seeing the result of EditPub. Unfortunately [a] the instructions are not scrutable (bullet point 3: "If the novel has only one publication on record, this can be done from the same Publication Editor dialog where the other changes are made"; not sure whether I did that back at point 1, hoped to see by viewing the relevant records after approval); [b] this was several hours ago at local public library, so AddPub US ed. must await another visit. <br />
: I wonder whether you converted one of the two illustration prize-winning picture books from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK yesterday, T{{t|170637}} and T{{t|1766654}}. I believe I saw one picture book as NOVEL yesterday, one reason I visited conversion instructions today, ''probably'' one of these two. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
: oops, fix links to Title records "T" and append five words --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Reviewing the three records and the manual, the latter [[Help:How to convert a novel to a chapbook#Converting a NOVEL publication to a CHAPBOOK]] remains inscrutable to me. How does one add a Title record? to a Publication record? Perhaps the second bullet point should be deleted and the third rewritten. ... --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::As I said in my original post, go to the contents section (marked "Regular Titles") and click the "Add Title" link. A set of fields will open. Leave the page number and date fields blank, enter the title, change the type to CHAPBOOK, and enter the author. I'll read the instructions and see if it needs clarification. Some of these help pages were written before the software about CHAPBOOK was fully developed, and may need to be updated. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Is there a simple change to be entered manually after which a script will complete the conversion per [[Bibliographic Projects in Progress]]? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::I know nothing about that. It seems to be far out-of-date. I'm thinking that project was all about manual conversion with the hope that it could later be accomplished with a script. I don't believe that ever happened. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mary Poppins omnibus ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557135 this record], but it would have been better to clone the other record of this title. Now you'll have to import the contents, and then merge the duplicate interior art record. Keep that in mind when adding records typed as COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, CHAPBOOK, and OMNIBUS. Saves both of us when you use the clone function. (I don't advise doing it for NOVEL records.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:16, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Same situation with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557137 this record]. You'll have to import the SHORTFICTION title record, and then merge the INTERIORART record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:18, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Both done. With more data, eg the obvious cover artist confirmed by images on bookseller pages.<br />
: Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:03, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Instead of importing the contents as I suggested, you created new title records. Those will now have to be merged with the existing ones. (Go to Travers summary page and you'll see the duplicate titles.) Ask if you need help on merging title records. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:10, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Ah, you mean Import Content. I overlooked the Export, Import, and Remove screens/tools. <br />
::: I am familiar with merger of Title records that do show up as duplicates for some author. Last month I cut the number of Mary Shepard Mary Poppins INTERIORART titles from 25 to 10. Now I know how other editors created all of those as we are back to 25 again. <br />
::: ... Import done, for import of novels INTERIORART to omnibus (2). I'll get back to the rest later. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:39, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: FYI: You can also import individual titles (instead of all titles within another pub). If you have many though it can be tedious to find all the title record numbers and paste a long list into the tiny form box accepting such. It is painful but it avoids having to merge titles later. This is one area where methinks there is room for code improvement (one should be able to select one or more pubs to import from and just check which titles from such one wishes to import). I am not sure if there is an existing feature request (FR) for such yet or not. [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] 04:19, 28 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Editing a publication record before a previous submission has been moderated ==<br />
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If you make a submission to edit a publication record, you should wait until it has been moderated before making another submission editing the same record. Quite often this can cause a conflict which will negate the edits of the first submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:39, 27 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== <nowiki><br>• </nowiki> ==<br />
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The use of <nowiki><br>• </nowiki> is not a standard method of separating notes in an ISFDB record's Note field. (Although you will find that one particular editor insists on using it, even though it's been brought to his attention.) If you want to bullet each note, please use HTML as explained [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_HTML_in_Note_Fields here]. If that's too complicated, just use the keyboard return to create a new line for each note (they won't be bulleted). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:22, 28 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dell and Yearling ==<br />
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When it was founded, Yearling was a YA imprint of Dell paperbacks. Publications from that period are entered into the database as "Dell Yearling". Later (I don't know exactly when, but it could be researched), Yearling was removed from the Dell paperback division of Random House and became a separate imprint. The title pages then gave the publisher as "A Yearling Book". Those publications are entered into the database as "Yearling". If you find books which give the publisher as Dell, then enter them as "Dell Yearling". If Dell isn't mentioned, enter them only as "Yearling". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:43, 3 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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As of 2016-04-06 the earliest database Year for publisher "Yearling" is 1984.<br />
Indeed we have the following (Dell) Yearling publisher names, with yearspans (beside "date unknown"): Yearling 1984-pres [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?183]<br />
Yearling (UK) 1990-94 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?43577], <br />
Yearling / Yearling Newbery 1996 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?41025], <br />
Yearling Newbery [undated 35th printing of April 1990 Dell] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?10251], <br />
Dell Yearling 1968-2007 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?183]<br />
Dell Yearling Newbery 1996-99 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?379].<br />
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Anomalies from about 3 February in my primary verifications, perhaps to revisit<br />
:1. ''Mary Poppins'', 1991 tp edition, all four novels T{{t|181986}} T{{t|181997}} (both as Yearling) T{{t|29571}} T{{t|181995}} (both as Dell Yearling)<br />
: All four first printing publication records give my Note: <br />
:: (quote) copyright page "Published by Dell Publishing a division of Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing Group, Inc."; Yearling and Dell are two registered trademarks<br />
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:2. ''The Wolves of Willoughby Chase'' T{{t|13699}}, 1987 and perhaps other editions or dated printings (may be a single edition released 1968) [book 2 pv another edition; book 3 not verified]<br />
: (in progress) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:28, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Reliable secondary sources ==<br />
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When creating records from secondary sources, it's important to find the most reliable ones available. In the case of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558116 this record], I would have first looked at [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/12635490 OCLC]. Abebooks data is not very reliable since it's from someone who wants to sell you something, and info from auction sites can disappear overnight without warning. I personally consider OCLC to be the most dependable of all secondary source on the internet for English language publications. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:50, 3 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558117 this record], you could have gotten the page count from the [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/64447512 OCLC record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:53, 3 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: The LC Catalog is a source of extraordinary quality. WorldCat is not, and it's a shame that ISFDB relies on it so heavily.<br />
: Meanwhile the ABEbooks page that I mentioned, as it does provide a cover image, is far more likely to provide an image of the correct book than is worldcat.org. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 04:26, 6 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::No one is saying that the Library of Congress data is unreliable. Nothing I said even implied that. They never entered the discussion, and are not sourced in your record at all. I'm saying Abebooks is unreliable. Why knock WorldCat when in this case it was the most reliable source at hand? Please only use Abebooks as a last resort. And you should never use auction sites as a source. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:18, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Magic Finger'' ==<br />
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There are several problems with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558748 this record], the major one being that it doesn't contain a SHORTFICTION content. Now you'll have to import it. (You also could have cloned another edition which would automatically import the content, like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262017 this one].)<br />
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Another thing: synopses shouldn't be given in a publication note field. That is title specific data, not publication specific.<br />
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Also, you didn't use the correct format for entering the OCLC record number (omitting the colon.) There's also a leading space in the target name that should be removed. You also linked to the browser address and not the Permalink.<br />
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And you used Abebooks.com to source the date, and non-data about the possible format. This is probably the last place to source data. They're trying to sell books, and probably not worrying about recording accurate data for bibliographers.<br />
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Also, based on the OCLC record showing the book to be 20 cm., the pub format/binding is "tp". (All Puffin books from this period were softcover.)<br />
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Please make the corrections when you have time. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:15, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Done. Vaguely I recall that the manual somewhere includes generalizations about page size and binding format. Now I append "20cm (implies tp format)" to citations of OCLC records that support tp format by this inference. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::That's only true for softcover publications, something that OCLC rarely notes. You need a another secondary source to confirm the binding. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:57, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: If "(All Puffin books from this period were softcover.)" it will be useful to note that period at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?179 Publisher: Puffin]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Anyone looking at Puffin's books from the early 70s will see that they're all paperback. It would take further research to determine when they started publishing hardcovers. If that could be confirmed, then a definitive statement could be made. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:57, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to OCLC ==<br />
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Please use the standard format "OCLC: 123456". Also, click on the Permalink for the URL, provided in the upper right corner of the OCLC record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''El Dedo Magico'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71313 This record] had the English language titles. I will remove them and add Spanish language titles, and then variant them to the original titles. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I believe that is a mistake at least for the illustrations. Some time ago I fixed ''Mary Poppins wraca'' P{{p|547654}} to credit the original English-language illustration by Mary Shepard --despite the fact that in that work ''Mary Poppins Comes Back'' many of the illustrations have captions, commonly quotations of description or dialogue from the novel, presumably translated into Polish in their use as captions as well as in the novel.<br />
: See [[User talk:JudgeDeadd#Mary Poppins illustrations]]. As I recall, there were Shepard illustrations of two other Mary Poppins titles in Polish translation, and Barnes illustrations of all seven Narnia novels in Polish translation, all entered as English-language illustrations of the Polish editions of those works. All entered by the same user, as I understood the record; thus I conformed our treatment of ''Mary Poppins wraca'' illustrations to the other 9? books.<br />
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I also removed the price in US dollars which was there before you edited the record. An obvious error. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:34, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Per the linked WorldCat record, the publisher is based in Madrid, so the US dollar price is probably a mistake. Not an obvious error, as many Spanish-language editions are priced in US dollars. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:19, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Here is our record P{{p|547918}} for Polish-language omnibus edition of Narnia 1-3 as verified (and presumably entered) by [[User:JudgeDeadd]], who does not say whether it includes English or Polish captions or none. <br />
:: (By the way I doubt the COVERART credit to Maria Izryk for "original work (presumably by Maria Irzyk), although clearly traced from Baynes's covers for the 1959 edition of ''The Lion...'' and the 1962 edition of ''Prince Caspian''). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Even though art doesn't have a "language", and even if the exact same illustration is used in different translations of the work, each work of art should be titled for the work they illustrate. Any interior art records which don't match the titles of the work they illustrate should be corrected when found. (They must have sneaked through, undetected by the moderator.) This would mean the content record would have to be removed from the publication record, and a new content would have to be created. Then, the translated title record should be varianted to the original title record. See how I varianted the <small>[Pat Marriott --Pwendt]</small> interior art record for ''El Dedo Magico''. Thanks. <br />
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:::: OK. I credited also 1995 Spanish-language Tony Ross INTERIORART for El Dedo Magico, now submitted as variant of his 1989 illustrations T{{t|925716}}. <br />
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== Viking ed. of ''The Magic Finger'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558764 this record]: I added the colon after "LCCN", and removed the HTML line breaks. Several years ago they were necessary, and you'll find thousands of records still have them. After a software change a few years ago, they are no longer necessary; a simple keyboard return will display a new line. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:25, 12 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I did the same thing as above for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558765 this record], and corrected the OCLC link to the Permalink. Please get into a habit of using the Permalink instead of the URL in your browser's address window. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:27, 12 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Price field ==<br />
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When entering a price in US dollars, be sure to add the cents. I changed the price of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558870 this publication] from "$2" to "$2.00". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:06, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''My Father's Dragon'' ==<br />
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What is your source for the interior art credit for the 1948 Random House edition? I particularly wonder why the illustrations are differently credited from the story, if they're by the same person. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:21, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Again, you didn't enter the price field correctly in the submission I'm holding for this edition. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:22, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Further research has shown that the books were illustrated by Ruth Chrisman Gannett, her stepmother. So a pseudonym and variant should not be created. I'll accept the submission and correct the price field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:24, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I understand now what the note meant. You were referring to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?178751 this artist], not the author of the story. I'll make the pseudonym/variant. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:27, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes, Ruth Adelaide Chrisman later Gannett seems to have illustrated mainly as Ruth Gannett --eg, ''Tortilla Flat'' by John Steinbeck ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortilla_Flat at Wikipedia])-- but also seems to be Ruth Chrisman Gannett as of first collaboration with her step-daughter, per the [http://www.gutenberg.org/files/30017/30017-h/30017-h.htm Project Gutenberg HTML edition/release of the first edition] and i doubt that many others of her (mainly earlier) works belong in this database.<br />
: I did not link the Project Gutenberg, nor add its cover image [http://www.gutenberg.org/files/30017/30017-h/images/cover.jpg] of course, because I don't recall seeing other examples of that here and I don't know that ISFDB makes use of the Gutenberg release (lead sentence of HTML ed.: "This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no cost and with almost no restrictions whatsoever." ) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:51, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Click on the image link gave here and you can see why we need permission to deep link to images hosted by other servers. You can link the book's title record to the Project Gutenberg page, entering its URL in the title's webpage field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:03, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Three Tales...'' ==<br />
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I changed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558879 this publication] from OMNIBUS to COLLECTION, since it doesn't include a previously published NOVEL, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, NONFICTION, etc. A publication of SHORTFICTION-typed works is considered a COLLECTION.<br />
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I also went ahead and imported the contents, and disambiguated the generically titled author's note. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:25, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Does a collection of a works in a shortfiction series not carry numerals as "C/1-3"? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:32, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::No. The software only displays the story length field when the record is typed as OMNIBUS. That's because it's uncommon for collections to contain only series of short fiction works. Also, most short fiction in a series isn't numbered. You can post a message on the Community Portal for a feature request for cases like this publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:41, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Illustrator for ''Wonders, Inc'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?213429 this publication]: Both of your sources give the artist name as "John Larrecq". Note the way each source provides the stated credit, and not the canonical credit. You shouldn't use the related names field of the LCCN record, or the author field of the OCLC record. OCLC gives the stated credit in the responsibility field. I've corrected it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:45, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I also changed it from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK with a SHORTFICTION content record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:48, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: (edit conflict) Thanks.<br />
: How frequently is there a "Responsibility" field at WorldCat, where there are some John M. L. records like [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/429560318 OCLC 429560318]. <br />
: He is John M. Larrecq canonically at LCCN (and others [https://viaf.org/viaf/65249917]) but I don't know that other works (incl several picture books from Parnassus Press) will ever be in the database (chiefly stories about anthropomorphic animals, i scanned this hour). So I have simply linked LCCN John M. Larrecq for now.<br />
: I merely stumbled upon him in course of correcting one Publisher:Parnasus => Parnassus Press; the former should now drop out of the Publisher directory. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:03, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I have no way of knowing exactly how frequently there's a responsibility field in an OCLC record. I can only estimate that 95% or more of the records created in the past 50 years do have it. That field wasn't always part of the database, and records from the early decades of the 20th century probably didn't have them. Some have been updated from primary data. Others may not. As for whether Larrecq's canonical name includes the middle initial, we can't establish that at the ISFDB until there's a publication which actually credits it that way. OCLC quite frequently gives the middle initial or full names in the author field of their records to distinguish similarly named authors. That's why the author field of OCLC records shouldn't be the only source used to record author credit in ISFDB records. Looking at [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/906040559 this record] for example, it appears that Larrecq did not use the middle initial in his published works. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:14, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: On the other hand [https://lccn.loc.gov/66009502] but as I said above, I don't know that other works by Larrecq belong in the database. [[Author:John Larrecq]].<br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:41, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::So I repeat, we won't be able to determine the canonical name until or if there are other works by him in the database. We would still have to follow the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition Rules of Acquisition] in determining that. <br />
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::::I think I may have misled you a bit about the term "canonical" when I was referring to the way LoC and WorldCat assign authorship. Their purpose is to distinguish human beings, not to distinguish publication credits, which is the goal of the ISFDB when we use the term. So I'm unsure whether the use of "canonical" in the bibliographic wiki page could confuse some users, especially those who know the ISFDB's use of "canonical". Also, if you look at some of the OCLC records for those showing "John M. Larrecg" as the author, you'll see that many of them credit "John Larrecq" as the responsible party. And that's what's important as far as the ISFDB is concerned. So perhaps the bibliographic notes need to be clarified about the name. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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P.S. I don't know how to convert NOVEL to CHAPBOOK/SHORTFICTION deftly. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:41, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:It's in the help documentation, but it's getting late. I'll try to remember tomorrow to give you a step-by-step guide to conversion. (In this case, conversion wouldn't have been necessary if the publication had been entered correctly from the start. Knowing a book has only 39 pages is a rather unmistakable clue that the book isn't a novel.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to primary verified records ==<br />
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I accepted the submission changing the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254379 this record] before realizing it was primary verified. It is imperative that you '''first''' discuss such changes with the PV editor before making a submission which changes any field other than the Note field. <br />
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Another concern: you changed the publication date to "1975-02-00" when your note said it was published on "1975-02-18". Why not go all the way? If the publication doesn't have a publication date stated in the book itself, an editor can use a reliable secondary source for that date. So you leave a note on the talk page of the PV editor: "Is there a day of publication stated in this publication? If not, I've found a reliable source, [Kirkus Reviews, Amazon, publisher's website, etc.], that gives the publication date as [fill in the blank]." Allow the PV editor to make the decision about changing the record. If there is a stated publication date, such as "First Edition: February 1975", then the PV editor should give "1975-02" in the publication date field, but note the exact date as given by the reliable secondary source. If there is no stated publication date in the book, then the PV editor has the option to use the reliable secondary source to give the exact day of publication in the record's date field. But this should be done by the PV editor, unless they have a notification preference at the top of their talk page saying "Anyone can edit my verified records." or something similar. If the PV editor is inactive, there should be a notice at the top of their talk page that directs any questions to the Moderator Noticeboard. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:55, 18 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: I summarized for the verifier at [[User talk:Don Erikson#Z for Zachariah]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:26, 18 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258217 this case], it's OK to give the full date of publication in the date field, because the record has yet to be primary verified. I'd also question your statement that all data is confirmed by the LCCN record, which doesn't give the publication date you've added to the record. That statement would have to be tweaked. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:33, 18 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Hitty, Her First Hundred Years'' ==<br />
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I could find nothing showing that this is a work of speculative fiction. If the doll is simply the narrator, and with no interaction with the real world, as most reviews I've read of it seem to indicate, then it can't be considered fantasy. Or am I misinterpreting the synopses that I've found on the Internet? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:49, 21 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2956209]<br />
: Yes, but i'll begin by reading further myself, not today. I know only the first four pages, up to the line I quoted --just before local public library closure this afternoon-- and the Google Books ed. breaks after page 4. Wikipedia says "magical ash-wood" but that isn't in the opening text, only reference to the traditional powers of ash.<br />
: I think you mean interaction with the world beyond that of quill pen on paper and turning the pages. I had wondered just what I would say beyond "Borderline spec-fic" if I did say that in synopsis as some others do. <br />
: How long is matter "held" in queue? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:52, 22 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::As long as necessary to resolve the issue. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:08, 22 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Have you been able to determine this work's eligibility? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 08:07, 4 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I can describe the wooden doll's actions: [a] take up quill pen to begin memoirs; use up paper (by implication use pen, ink, blotting paper); [b] raise and lower both legs together when left under a pew in church, "Clump! clump! clump!"; [c] work up and out of a crow's nest and get both legs over the edge, then to be knocked out by the baby birds. She does not communicate with the crows, wild monkeys, pet cobra, pet cat --nor with modern dolls if i recall correctly. The simplicity of her construction is clear; her inability to bend except at the one hip and one shoulder joint is recurrently crucial to the plot. That she can handle a pen or "work her way" without benefit of other joints is not explained.<br />
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So it is spec-fic strictly but I can't say whether it is clearly eligible nor whether it should be in the database. I have not read any discussions of scope. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:06, 4 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:It wouldn't be spec-fic unless she actually interacts with or becomes an active participant in the story she's telling. There are many stories told from the point of view of animals or inanimate objects, with the sole purpose of being a silent observer. Unless the story itself or the actions being narrated has fantastic elements (without regard to how the story is being told), I personally don't believe it would qualify as eligible. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Definitions Here] are the definitions, the rules of acquisition, and the scope of the ISFDB. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Unless you have some definitive evidence that the work qualifies under the rules of acquisition, I will have to reject the submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:29, 15 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Substantially I can only repeat myself. ''Hitty'' is spec-fic strictly, for the wooden doll interacts with her environment as I described above [a][b][c]. --beyond thinking and four of five human senses, all but taste.<br />
::: For what it's worth, I consider that a flaw in the work. It doesn't add anything to the story, in my opinion, to make the doll more than the externally passive observer you say is common. In the same way, I consider it a flaw that ''Alice'' is not spec-fic, strictly, because the brief final chapter portrays Wonderland as a dreamland only. It doesn't add anything to the story, in my opinion, to undercut the fantasy.<br />
::: You moderators need to make judgments about scope at the borders. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:56, 17 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Day the World Ended'' ==<br />
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Please specify the source of the month of publication in the Note field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399313 this record]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 05:37, 23 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Done a couple hours ago along, with AddPub three other 1930 dollar novels from Doubleday Doran. See also and better, [[User talk:Mhhutchins#Doubleday]], numbered point 2 <u>dollar novels</u>. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:11, 25 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Book of Trolls'' ==<br />
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What is your source for editing the author credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?475528 this record]? Both LCCN and OCLC give the current author credit. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:20, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: That's right. As stated in the Note to Moderator: "undo [my own] today's introduction of variant name in preparation for global change to Edgar Parin d'Aulaire --now in database for the one work only" with more detail<br />
: The Author name cannot be corrected because 'Edgar Parin d'Aulaire' is already in the database here. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:34, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll accept it now that you've explained the note, but the correction could have been done with one submission since all of the titles appear in the same publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:41, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: But I didn't know several hours ago, when I added all the other data for both the man [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2959820] and the Publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2959783], that I should have submitted a global personal name change first, before the correct name appeared in the database.<br />
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::: 1. You say "all of the titles appear in the same publication" which suggests that such a change could have been effected at once for all records of this work (CHAPBOOK, SHORTFICTION, INTERIORART, COVERART titles), if a global change in the personal name were not desired. How is that?<br />
::: 2. Probably this work was first published as ''D'Aulaire's Trolls''? (altho Uniform title is Trolls, which may indicate earlier issue in some European language). Anyway, let's consider the first US edition, [https://lccn.loc.gov/76158897 LCCN 76-158897], OCLC [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/86079902 86079902] and [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/410432 410432]. What would be the best way to get all of the CHAPBOOK, SHORTFICTION, INTERIORART, COVERART titles into the database as ''D'Aulaire's Trolls''? --where is best to start? --and finally must all be entered anew and then all four ''D'Aulaire's Book of Trolls'' titles separately be made variants? <br />
::: Good night, now overdue for me :-( [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:18, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::1. As I said, your "Note to Moderator" wasn't clear enough that I understand what your intentions were about changing the author credit of a publication which didn't match those given in the noted sources. Once you made that intention clear, I accepted the submission. At this point, whether the changes could have been made in one submission is moot. As it was, you could have changed the author credit of the publication, the shortfiction content, cover art, and interior art, in a single submission. Changing the chapbook credit would have taken a second submission. (You saw that it was "yellowed-out" which means you can't edit it during a publication record edit.) In either case, it took two submissions to make the corrections.<br />
::::2. Add publication records based on the title and credit given in your reliable sources without any concern for how it is titled and credited now. Once the records are in the database, we can determine a) the canonical title, and b) the canonical author credit. Variants and/or pseudonyms will be determined then. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:36, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Children of Lir'' ==<br />
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I changed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?560803 this record] from a NOVEL to a CHAPBOOK with a SHORTFICTION content, since it appears to be less-than-novel length. If you've determined that it is more than 40,000 words, let me know and I'll reverse the change. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: No, this is fine. Thanks. I am reading this one and I will assess as novelette or whatever length. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:09, 29 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: A novella, ~20,000 words. And so entered. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:49, 1 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== pb or tp ==<br />
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Re the update you made to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303688 this record]: Where did the "5.1 inches" come from? The UK doesn't use inches. According to [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/782024148 OCLC], the book is 20 cm. which makes it a trade paperback. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:56, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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OK. I see you got that dimension from Amazon.com (not Amazon.co.uk, which was your stated source). The width is 5.1 inches, the depth is 0.3 inches, and the height is 7.8 inches, making it clearly a trade paperback. I'll correct the record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:01, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Making a pseudonym / creating a variant ==<br />
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Re {{A|Katie May}}: When you make an author into a pseudonym, you must follow-through by varianting each of the titles credited to that author into variants of titles credited to the canonical author. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Before you do that, what is your source that Katie May is the same person as {{A|Katie May Green}}? (This should have been asked before the moderator accepted the submission creating the pseudonym.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:18, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Probably the moderator read the Notes that I submitted at the same times [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971249 14:12] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971277 14:31] (approval times, i suppose).<br />
: I entered the titles as chapbooks where the first eds., British, had been entered as novels. Then observed to the moderator [[User talk:Rtrace#Magic Ballerina chapbooks]] that I think I must fix the CHAPBOOK issue before returning to the variant issue.<br />
: During the last hour alone moderators Rtrace, Hauck, and Mhhutchins have approved in succession and all may be inscrutable to anyone.<br />
: I suppose you converted multiple publications of the one title (#2 the Magic Spell) but not the other (#1 the Magic Ballet Shoes) --or that multiple moderators responded differently-- because my experience was different for the two titles. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:36, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Perhaps you've misread my post or have confused it with another post. I was talking about the variant/pseudonym situation, not the conversion situation. These are entirely separate matters. Please re-read my post and respond. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:08, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Please read the linked material. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:12, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'll ask the same question again: "What is your source that Katie May is the same person as Katie May Green?" That isn't answered in the post on Ron's page. If you have a confirmed source that they are the same person, you should have made the variants immediately upon making that determination. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:19, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I presumed that you would be able to read the two Notes that I cited, which the approving moderator [[User:Hauck]] probably read at the time, 2016-03-06 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971249 14:12] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971277 14:31] per the log "My Recent Edits".<br />
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For now I have unlinked May and May Green in the database, but see the wiki [[Author:Katie May Green]]; cf [[Author:Katie May]]. Perhaps there can be a software solution for generating numerous variant titles. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:07, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm flummoxed. Now that you've confirmed (based on the wiki page you created) that they're the same person, why do you want to remove the pseudonym relationship that you'd previously established? <br />
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:And there is a software solution for generating variant titles. Unfortunately, a human has to initiate it manually, then the software takes over. We don't want software that will automatically create variants because sometimes pseudonyms are shared by different authors, e.g. {{A|Daisy Meadows}}. <br />
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:I'm going to reject your submission to remove the pseudonym and then create variants for the "Katie May" titles. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:16, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Converting NOVEL to CHAPBOOK ==<br />
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When changing the type in the metadata section from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK, you should add a CHAPBOOK content record at the same time, saving an additional submission, and avoiding a publication record which doesn't have a title reference link. For example, check out [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?468166 this record] which no longer links to its title record...or any title for that matter. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:24, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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For future reference, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_convert_a_novel_to_a_chapbook#Converting_a_NOVEL_publication_to_a_CHAPBOOK here] are the instructions to convert a NOVEL to a CHAPBOOK. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:26, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought that I would Import the one CHAPBOOK title record into successive publications of that title, rather than create a new CHAPBOOK title record for every publication.<br />
: Perhaps Rtrace (signs Ron) has experienced what he considers too many editors who don't bother to merge near-replicate titles? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:44, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Importing the CHAPBOOK record works if you're a moderator and can do your own approvals. When a non-moderator submits and has to wait, it leaves publication records without title references, and increases the chances that the conversion may not be completed. (Sometimes life interferes during the wait.) As suggested in the help page I linked here, you should change the type and add a CHAPBOOK content record in the same submission. You don't save submissions by importing the CHAPBOOK record. In fact, that increases the number of submissions required to get a publication record completely converted. It only takes a single submission to merge the duplicate CHAPBOOK records, and not doing so isn't as fatal as a publication record without a title reference record. So please follow the instructions provided. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Thanks. I left a note for Stonecreek (one approving moderator, whom I referred to Rtrace yesterday).<br />
::: Sorry about the prev and next sections. I am out of time now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:26, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Those records that don't have a title reference are still waiting to be repaired. This proves my point that a CHAPBOOK content record should be added during the same submission that changes the publication type. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:11, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Done some. (generally without adding the original illustrations at the same time)<br />
::::: Do you find such anomalies automatically and currently? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:15, 9 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::No. It's not automatic. There is also a nightly clean-up report which finds publications with this error. Then a moderator has to fix it manually. BTW, I'm not sure how it happened, but now [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?468166 this] has '''two''' title references. I let you see it before I repair it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:39, 9 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I see how it happened. You made two successive submissions that added a CHAPBOOK content title, and the same moderator accepted both submissions without question. Even moderators are human. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:42, 9 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: I submitted one Remove Title.<br />
::::::: I found that lot in reference to my Recent Edits log from a couple days ago, evidently too hastily, as that log includes replications of course. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:00, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Submission to remove accepted. I went ahead and merged the two duplicate CHAPBOOK titles created by the duplicate submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:50, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] Do you plan on converting the other Magic Ballerina publications to CHAPBOOKs? If not, I'll try to find time to do it. (I actually hate wasting so much of my limited time on this juvenalia.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:53, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I plan to convert only one more -- #4, for which Amazon shows a back cover and thereby identifies cover artist Katie May. On my amateur view, this suggests all six in the first lot, at least, were illustrated cover and interior by the same person, but I don't plan to do more than say so in a series note.<br />
: If my local public library owned even one of them, I would augment that record greatly and verify it. But no, and I will not recommend the purchase of one. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:28, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: This one [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0007286171 at Amazon].<br />
:: By the way, from a sample of one I judge that they are novelettes at ~125 words per unillustrated page, probably about 10000 words each. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Done Magic Ballerina #4 T{{t|1063662}} including the variant first U.S. title. I specified length "novelette" in one publication record only, may need to end session before seeing the effect (not to mention complete variant/import of the artworks). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:21, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: Done. T{{t|1063662}}<br />
:::: Initially, evidently, I assigned Storylen novelette to one new CHAPBOOK title rather than to the new shortfiction in one of its publications, so I don't know whether the latter would propagate. Later I updated the SHORTFICTION title to Storylen novelette. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:53, 11 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas in Enchantia'' ==<br />
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Re your update to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303696 this record]: If a reliable secondary source (like OCLC) gives a page count which contradicts Amazon's count, odds are pretty good that it's the correct count. Amazon's page count comes from the total number of pages in a book, based on publisher data, and it is usually in multiples of 4 (because that's how most books are published.) We use the same page counting method as OCLC. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:09, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Tail of Emily Windsnap'' ==<br />
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The LCCN given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?65785 this publication] should be "2003065284", not "203-65284". The number you gave is missing a zero, and the LoC removed the dash at the start of this century. The last six digits must also have leading zeros to complete it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:53, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?523577 this record], the Canadian price should be given in the format "C$" instead of "$C". Think "'''C'''anadian Dollar'''$'''" for the right sequence. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: done; done; immediately preceding section too --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:08, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Man They Couldn't Arrest'' ==<br />
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Re the notes in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310745 this publication]: The OCLC record to which you link doesn't give the publication date as 1925. It provides the copyright date. The book must be undated, because the other OCLC record linked in the notes gives it as "[c1927]" meaning circa 1927. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:47, 11 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Merrimeg'' ==<br />
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Re the update to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1980903 this title]: Its type now mismatches the publication under it. You could have made one submission updating the publication record's type and its title reference. Please update the publication record when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:23, 11 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of Odin'' ==<br />
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The first note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?564977 this record] needs clarification, as it appears to suggest that the author's name is given differently and not the illustrator. That should be part of a note about the actual illustrator credit. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:57, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Attempted and I hope done minutes ago ... [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2994242] as approved by Rtrace --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:37, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I changed the publisher credit to "The Macmillan Company" which was the US publisher's name in the first half of the 20th century. (That's also what is given on the title page.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:33, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Regarding 'The Macmillan Company' reportedly succeeded by Macm Publ Co aka Macm Inc, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?85 Publisher:Macmillan] says this is a catch-all; "There is currently no attempt to separate these into two publishers." --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes that could be confusing, especially since there is an attempt to separate "The Macmillan Company" for the early 20th century. (Search for it.) Perhaps it's saying that there is no attempt to separate "Macmillan Publishing Company" and "Macmillan, Inc." into two different publishers. They both should be entered as "Macmillan". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:56, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Earlier today I entered three [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?5188 Publication Series: Macmillan Children's Classics] from "Macmillan". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Check their title pages. During this time period, US publications should be "The Macmillan Company". UK publications should be "Macmillan and Co.". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:56, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::I've made the changes based on secondary sources, and have updated the note on the publisher page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?85 Macmillan]. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:06, 31 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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(edit conflict) (i simply dump it and run as i am expected at about 00:00)<br />
: Another day I might check HathiTrust for digital copies (which WorldCat or some WorldCat libraries evidently catalog/ue as ebooks, by the way). <br />
: Macmillan is well-established in the database; seems to be established just as "Doubleday, Doran" for DOUBLEDAY, DORAN AND COMPANY, INC. ([[User talk:Mhhutchins#The Autocracy of Mr. Parham]]) and perhaps alternatives of intermediate length. <br />
: For now it's late enough for me to pursue a TV basketball game. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:19, 31 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Page counts on Amazon ==<br />
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Re the note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?376784 this record]: There's no need to record the page count provided by Amazon when you have a reliable secondary source (or the book in hand.) They use the publisher's method of counting ''all'' the pages in a book, unlike the method we use. Giving the Amazon data when it's wrong (or anyone's for that matter) would only confuse the user. WorldCat uses approximately the same method as the ISFDB, so it's a pretty reliable source for page counts. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:55, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:#Before I return to that record let me follow-up at one or two removes. This publication record is "Not Verified" with respect to any source. Previously it contained a single Note, "Data from Amazon.com as of 2012-02-13" (and the auto-generated "Cover art supplied by Amazon.com" presumably derived from the Image URL value). Thus Amazon appears to have been the only source; it is the only source if previous editors have done their jobs well.<br />
:#Would that also be true if the record were Verified w/r one or more secondary Reference such as Locus1? Or does it go without sayin' --without a Note-- that some of the data may be from any one of the "Verified" secondary References?<br />
: If it isn't clear what I have in mind, say so simply and I will expound another day. Good night, too late for me --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:36, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::# When a record states "Data from Amazon.com" that means it has been verified against Amazon's data. That doesn't mean it's correct. That means it matches the data given by Amazon. That would be the same for any secondary source. I'm not sure what you mean by "previous editors have done their jobs well." If the note in a publication record states "Data from Amazon.com as of 2012-02-13", there's a 99% chance that the editor was this clever fellow named [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]. He does a great job creating publication records from the multi-billion bytes of data on Amazon, but I'm not sure if I'd invite him to a party. :)<br />
::# Yes. Those records that are marked as verified using data from [[Reference:Verification_Sources|secondary sources]] means the same thing as the Note about Amazon being the source. When there are multiple secondary verifications marked, it would be nice if an editor would indicate exactly which data comes from which source. Some of us do, but nothing requires that we do so. I've found it's a good habit to get into when verifying from multiple sources. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:44, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Farrar & Rinehart ==<br />
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I've deleted the wiki page for this publisher and moved the data to the database page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?17605 this publisher]. Keep this in mind when adding publisher data to the database. Wiki pages for data are being phased out. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:30, 9 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: What about a more complex page such as [[Publisher:Rinehart]], which has an image and two footnotes?</font> --of which the image and one note is the sort of material that "should" be kept somewhere. Does the database have features other than text and HTML markup behind a {BREAK}? Does the medium-term plan for Wiki pages cover some of the Rinehart elements? <br />
: What is the medium-term prospect for Author and Bio pages? ...<br />
: ... (much later) OK, I found and read three sections at ISFDB:Community Portal, currently #81-83 of which the first is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Wiki-to-Database_migration:_Publication_and_Publication_Talk_pages 81 Wiki-to-Database migration: Publication and Publication Talk pages]. I don't see the practical import. <font color=green>I think maybe "keep in mind" means you hope I will do the migration myself for a substantial Wiki page that is so simple as the former [[Publisher:Farrar & Rinehart]]? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:58, 9 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::No. By "keep in mind", I mean don't add data to any wiki pages when it can be easily added to the database proper. The questions you've asked should be part of the discussion on the Community Portal. This migration hasn't been fully discussed, and I'm as much in the dark as everyone else about it. About those images, I have no idea how they're going to be handled. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:29, 9 April 2016 (UTC)</font><br />
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== Verification Sources - What are they? What do they mean? Where can I find them? ==<br />
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Re the question you posted on Chris's talk page just now about the ISFDB list of Verification Sources: I direct you to the answer I supplied to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Pwendt#Page_counts_on_Amazon this post]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:04, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: That is no answer. The table in ISFDB Wiki provides no key to use of the sources themselves, nor any remarks about precedence they should take in use for editing the ISFDB database. (As for Amazon, not one of the sources, you have written that other sources take precedence; further, that to provide discordant Amazon data is discouraged.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:50, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I answered the direct question below. The purpose of this post was to point you back to a previous one in which I provided you with a link to a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Reference:Verification_Sources page] which explains each of the sources which are listed on the "Verification Status" table of each publication record. Clicking on each of them (under the "Reference" column) gives a pretty thorough explanation, except for Locus1, which is the only online source, so we felt it only necessary to link to that website. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I followed the linkname "Locus1" that we display on publication pages (not in the ISFDB Wiki table) and poked around that website for a while. There is no key at the head or foot of the index ("The Locus Index to Science Fiction: 1984-1998") nor is any such thing evident in the site index ("The Locus Index to Science Fiction: Site Directory") that we target as "Locus1" on publication pages. <br />
: So I asked Chris J about the key, and the dating convention in particular.<br />
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In Locus1 listings, the first date is the book's date of publication as supplied by the publisher; the date in brackets is the date a copy of the book was received in the Locus offices. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:08, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. That is what I asked Chris J in particular.<br />
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By "key" do you mean the [http://www.locusmag.com/index/abbrev.htm list of abbreviations] used in the Locus database? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:09, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: No, I scanned that as I poked around three hours ago. It covers only abbreviations, no other conventions. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:50, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I guess William Contento, who managed the Locus database, didn't believe a key was necessary. Other than the bracketed date, everything else in a Locus listing is self-explanatory. What are the conventions you were needing to know about Locus1? I've been there thousands of time, so I could probably answer most of them. 03:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: --Mhhutchins<br />
::: On my first visit, none but the dual dates. If something comes up later, I'll ask you. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:23, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Missing price on The Minnipins ==<br />
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You have a £ symbol but no price listed for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567580 recently added pub for The Minnipins]. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 22:53, 20 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I "learned" the blank currency symbol to indicate the US/UK nationality of the publication (granted we may actually need a value such as 2s/6d) from ''NightBirds on Nantucket'' T{{t|13704}} which displays its systematic use evidently by [[User:Bluesman]].<br />
: I sometimes use it, after consultation at [[User talk:Mhhutchins#Price £ or $]], but I don't often remember and don't always have the pound symbol at hand, so I don't use it much. Nor did I take the suggestion to raise the convention for discussion by the community. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:22, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::If you have an American keyboard, you can use the ALT code for the British pound symbol: ALT+0163 (hold down the ALT key and enter "0163" in the number pad.) For other ALT codes go [http://www.alt-codes.net/ here]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]]<br />
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:::Ah... I had not seen that convention before. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:00, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Poppyseed Cakes'' publisher ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your {{P|567826|Poppyseed Cakes}} submission, but in the notes you mention it says "A Borzoi Book". If Borzoi is on the title page, I think you should instead record the publisher as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1305 Borzoi / Alfred A. Knopf] to capture the imprint, especially since we already have an imprint / publisher entry. I'm guessing we are not very consistent about capturing the Borzoi (given the few publications), but I did not find any discussion suggesting we should NOT capture it. See what you think. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:13, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: [http://www.amazon.com/Poppy-Everymans-Library-Childrens-Classics/dp/0375712321 Here] is the "Look Inside!" which does show the title page with no mention of Borzoi <br />
: title page bottom: Everyman's Library Children's Classics // <br />
:: Alfred A. Knopf New York London Toronto<br />
: copyright page top: This is a Borzoi Book //<br />
:: Published by Alfred A. Knopf<br />
: In the bullet list I mean initial dashes to indicate second-level items, three sub-points to "copyright page". Now submitted[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3015346] I insert add a first list item "Title page" and add a colon to "Copyright page:". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:21, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Placing publication data in a title record ==<br />
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This is not usually done. We try to separate the work (the title record) from any publication of the work (the publication record). Why not just create publication records for these Kennedy chapbooks? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:00, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Regarding the latter, maybe I should have done so, or saved more work in progress at [[Author:Marcia Sewall]] which I also had open as I gradually closed down. I did want to provide sources for fixing the shortfiction title dates.<br />
* Is there any way to create at once a new CHAPBOOK from a SHORTFICTION Title record; that is, to create a new container for that work? [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::There is not a way to add a publication to a contained title (SHORTFICTION, ESSAY, INTERIORART), only a container title (NOVEL, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, etc.) using the "Add New ..." function. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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* How to you suggest that a library catalog/ue Summary be noted in container title record? Eg, "Visiting with the caretaker of an empty old mansion, orphaned Jessamy emerges from the nursery closet into the world of 1914 when her namesake lived in the same house and left her adventures and a mystery to be solved again in the present. --Summary from one library catalogue record" without any link?<br />
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::You don't have to provide a link, just give the source. If the link is permanent, just use simple HTML to create a link. Don't link to an outside webpage if you're not certain that it's permanent. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: In user space I have now assembled much data on these story publications. I'll think about how to create database records efficiently.<br />
: P.S. I don't know whether we try to write in the database, as at Wikipedia, "catalog" or "catalogue" depending on whether or not some entity is USAmerican. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Both spellings are acceptable in the ISFDB. Any English reader should be able to understand both. Don't waste time trying to determine if the source is American English or British English (or any other form of English). Use the spelling you're more comfortable with. (I'm puzzled why so many Wikipedia editors use "whilst" instead of "while" as a conjunction. To my American ears, the former sounds so pretentious. But as for differences in spellings, I can look at "flavour", "centre", and "realise" all day long without blinking an eye.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Acknowledged, thanks. I must run now, after completing [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard#Richard Kennedy]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:04, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Bedknob and Brookstick(s)'' ==<br />
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I have no idea what you're doing with these latest submission (adding a new title reference to a record that already has one.) But I've accepted them with the expectation that you'll clean them up (they're in pretty bad shape right now.) Perhaps it would have been better to just delete them and start from scratch. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:56, 30 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Probably that would have been better. (I'll check back within 24 hours) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:15, 1 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Removing a double-credit ==<br />
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When you end up with an author/artist credited twice, removing just one of them does not work. The software is not smart enough: It finds that each name is still associated with the record and keeps each one. To remove a double-credit, you need to remove all of them, then put one back after the removal is accepted. I did that for you. I hope {{T|1995888|this}} is what you wanted. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:09, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:The recent change in software allows an editor to also edit each COVERART record individually. So you can edit one record to give both artist credits, and then use the remove function to get rid of the other one. You also have to remember to delete the record you removed, since it will stay in the database, regardless of whether it is associated with a publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:42, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: thanks --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:52, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Pippi Longstocking ==<br />
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Hello, please remember to merge the NOVEL titles created when you add an OMNIBUS. I've done this for you by supposing that the translators stayed the same. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:54, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi. Can you direct me to instructions or discussion concerning multiple published translations into one language?<br />
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: I do maintain notes on things to do "later", as in Notes to Moderator for two omnibus editions of Pippi yesterday [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3032589] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3032610].<br />
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: I do not know the treatment of multiple translations. I see that it may be very complex {{t|7388|Title: Voyage au centre de la Terre}}. '''For the Pippi Longstocking novel(la)s, where we now have multiple translations merged as one Title, I do have some notes on translations in user space.'''<br />
:::::: Tiina Nunnally 2007 (see below) is the only third translation of the novels in my user space notes. Evidently she also translated some Pippi picture books; maybe some first English editions ...<br />
: The two Pippi omnibus editions do not contain original translations but they do contain different translations --1950s US translations in the Viking omnibus and 1950s UK translations in the Oxford omnibus. We now have distinct Title records for the two early English translations only for book 2, ''Pippi Långstrump går ombord'', and only because its was published under two different English titles, US ''on Board'' T{{t|1998501}} and UK ''Aboard'' T{{t|1462189}}.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:46, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: I submitted improvements to the two OMNIBUS Title records only, said in Note to Moderator "in progress; novel Titles 1 and 3 may need un-merge; User talk:Pwendt#Pippi Longstocking (w moderator Hauck)"<br />
:: Translators are now identified primarily in the 1950s novel publication records. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::For multiple translations, the rule is that there is one translated title record for each translator (that why we're putting the translator at title level, it avoid undue merging), see for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?63598 this short story] that has three different translations in french and so 3 different title records. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:19, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Update done, for the two OMNIBUS Title records and four NOVEL Title records. What is the best way to unmerge the two Viking publications of Pippi in the South Seas, for instance. Begin at the first publication P{{p|568496}} and remove the container NOVEL [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/rmtitles.cgi?568496]? Or manually copy all to a New Novel? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:03, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::No, first go to title level ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1462190 here]), then select the "Unmerge Titles" tool (on the right side), choose the two "Viking" titles, submit and then you'll see that the unmerge function is bugged when there's an OMNIBUS present! (I've already alerted to this specific problem but to not avail) Without such a bug (e.g. with only novels to unmerge, you'll just have to "re-merge" the correct newly created titles and re-variant them). I've done this for you (or so I hope), result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1462193 here]). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:19, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Thanks, H. For the first novel there is a third translation, apparently also commissioned by Oxford. Some data at Amazon are corrupt. <br />
Note to self: Amazon provides Look Inside 978-0-19-278241-0 (paper) --with 2007 transl. by Tiina Nunnally-- for some other editions, at least once without notice. <s>We may have incorrect data (incl cover image?) for 2011 US Viking p{{p|530058}}, 2012 UK Oxford {{p|481286}}</s> '''those records confirmed, expanded -Pwendt'''<br />
:::::: Now I will *add* 978-0-19-278241-0 to the database and then maybe quit Pippi for today. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I've worked a bit on it and created three different and separate translations. Still missing are the translators of the two omnibuses. If you add them, I can do the (bugged) unmerging. See you tomorrow! [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:16, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::::: Our records for the two omnibus editions are correct; I switched one of the contained translations, which required several steps because of the bug you noted. I added links to LCCN and OCLC records but Amazon including its Look Inside! is the source of almost all data. <br />
:::::::: After confirming/correcting our records for the three publications immediately above, all single novels, it was easy to unmerge and merge them, two steps. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:09, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Publisher T. Nelson ==<br />
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"T. Nelson" shows up as a new publisher. It looks to me like it is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Nelson_(publisher) Thomas Nelson]. If you agree, and it's ok with you, may I change that to Thomas Nelson on those two submissions (leaving your notes as-is)? We have Thomas Nelson as a publisher already. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:06, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Please hold for a few days. Perhaps I will add more Ursula Moray Williams eds. from notes in user space, pass over any "T. Nelson" or make a note to hold those too. I will check other sources for these. LC catalog was down for me Fri/Sat and after end of semester yesterday I have no night/Sunday access to historical newspapers. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:32, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, I will do that. Let me know when you are done and what you decide we should use. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:03, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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* One more submitted and cancelled by mistake [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3034688] "Camden [N.J.] T. Nelson" (other cities are New York and Nashville [Tenn.]) <br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:40, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: All four now in the queue should be "Thomas Nelson".<br />
::: I added a Note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28709 Publisher: Thomas Nelson & Sons], not yet for Thomas Nelson, and reallocated a few books. A few remain. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Great. I accepted the submissions and changed the publisher in each to Thomas Nelson. I also added the Wikipedia link to the Thomas Nelson page. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:37, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I added a Note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?386 Publisher: Thomas Nelson], narrowed its target to the Wikipedia section Current United States company, and completed reallocation of all pre-1969 books to the British company (& Sons), which published also in North America. We don't attribute any subsequent publications to &&nbsp;Sons and a glance at ISBN for Thomas Nelson publications suggests that we may not have any in the database. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== [Hamish] Hamilton ==<br />
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Hi. You used Hamilton on {{P|570740|this}} but Hamish Hamilton on {{P|570741|this}}. The LOC records both show London, Hamilton, and I am guessing both should have the same publisher credit. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:58, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hamish Hamilton. At the same time I promoted Reindeer Books from my Notes (as series noted by both LCCN and OCLC) to Publication series. <br />
: And i eliminated Reindeer Books from the database as a publisher by revising one record. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 16 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Net to Catch the Wind'' ==<br />
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The system was grumpy about your submission for {{P|571624|A Net to Catch the Wind}} and forced me to reject it. It looked to me like the changes were the notes and the date on everything. I copied the notes over and made the date change. Please check that it's all the way you want it, and if there's something other than the notes and date, you'll have to redo it. Sorry about that, and thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:48, 24 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I had created the CHAPBOOK title with a redundant copy of the SHORTFICTION and "Note to Moderator: first publication of this short story; later merge them" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3042213]. Probably another editor merged them, thus deleted the new SHORTFICTION, while my first follow-up was in the queue.<br />
: All is well. I restored hyperlinks and on further investigation I found more to be said P{{p|571624}}. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:02, 24 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dragon's Nest ==<br />
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I answered your posting on my "Messages Page". When you're right, you're right, and you were right. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:45, 17 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Faust'' submission ==<br />
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Hi. I think your ''Faust'' submission duplicates {{P|372389|this entry}}. See what you think. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:19, 24 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi. Yes, my submission duplicates the book, 1st ed. presumable 1st printing. I missed it yesterday.<br />
: Do we use such longlong titles by policy? I have shortened some full titles that are much shorter than this one. And we now give a one-word title for the companion novel <i>Falstaff</i> (1976) T{{t|1612138}}. For that one I had partly assembled in user space, but not submitted, data for the two 1st eds. thus:<br />
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:: (1st ed.) LCCN: <a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/77352232">77-352232</a> and OCLC: <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2930386">2930386</a><br />
:: -- as Main title: "Falstaff : being the Acta domini Johannis Fastolfe, or Life and valiant deeds of Sir John Faustoff, or The hundred days war, as told by Sir John Fastolf, K.G., to his secretaries William Worcester, Stephen Scrope, Fr. Brackley, Christopher Hanson, Luke Nanton, John Bussard, and Peter Basset <br />
:: -- "/ now first transcribed, arranged and edited in modern spelling by Robert Nye."<br />
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:: (1st US ed.) LCCN: <a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/76027765">76-27765</a> and OCLC: <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2373077">2373077</a><br />
:: -- (as above)<br />
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: For <i>Falstaff</i> all four linked records give the long title. For <i>Faust</i>, LC gives one-word title for the 1st ed.[https://lccn.loc.gov/80142102], longlong for the 1st US ed.[https://lccn.loc.gov/80039696]. <br />
: Perhaps the longlong titles should appear only in Notes, perhaps best in both Title and Publication records.<br />
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: <s>P.S. At the moment Robert Nye A{{a|5059}} because "merge/variant as approp" remains on my to-do list for three Beowulf titles.</s> --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:59, 24 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::We want the title as the book has it on the title page. You could raise this question on the [[Rules_and_standards_discussions|Rules and standards discussions]] page or the [[ISFDB:Community_Portal|Community Portal]] and see what others have to say. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:47, 25 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hi. I still have that submission on hold. Since you agree that it's a duplicate, would you copy any information you want to preserve into the existing entry and then cancel it when you do not need it any longer? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:34, 14 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: ok {{done}} (and <s>strikeout</s> what is long obsolete above) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:54, 14 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Copyright dates for some of Kipling's ''Just So Stories'' ==<br />
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Hi, I accidentally approved one of your submissions and have put several others on hold: the copyrights of these are assigned for the years 1900 & 1901 to Kipling, but this is not enough to ensure a publication in the respective year. Have you any more evidence for respective publications before 1902? (Per help we assign the original publication date of a title, not the year of copyright or writing.) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:48, 28 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
: I cancelled and resubmitted one of the four (Armadillos) that were on hold because that one alone names a publishing company, Curtis Publishing Company. Five state copyright by Kipling alone, of which four prior to 1902 so that I submitted a change in the "Year" field.<br />
: Wikipedia and others say that three of the twelve stories were published in a children's magazine, evidently by Century Company during 1897. Of the other nine Wikipedia says only that they were added to make the 1902 collection, but I suppose Curtis had published the one somewhere.<br />
: If I understand correctly, the Notes are OK, and may prompt someone to find a deeper source. But the "Year" 1902-00-00 should be retained/restored for three of those on hold and for one that you approved (Leopard). Right?<br />
: Now I must break, perhaps for the day. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:10, 28 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: '''Update.''' Now at the university library where I have access to historical newspapers. Here are the first two of three sentences in one item, "Notes and News" <i>NY Times</i> 1902-04-12 pBR12<br />
:: "Rudyard Kipling has finished three more stories for the <i>Ladies Home Journal</i> in his series of "Just-So Stories", which he has been writing for the magazine.[retaining copyright evidently] The first of the stories will be called 'The Cat That Walked by Himself'."<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:03, 28 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::As this note appeared in 1902, I have restored 1902 as the year of publication: it may be possible (even likely), that some titles were published before the book, but as we don't know yet which of them and when, we better stick with the yet known first publication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:59, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I agree. I fully hope and half expect to find some 1900 to 1902 magazine publication dates with university library facilities, but that is not for today. And I withhold incremental update of the COLLECTION <i>Just So Stories for Little Children</i> T{{t|39137}}. <br />
:::: Technically, are you as moderator able to revise my submission? Or do you mean approve what is on hold and then make another update yourself? (I see in the log of my rejected submissions that you did not reject any, and I don't know of any other log available to me.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:12, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Well, it's only possible to either reject a submission or to accept it and change the new record afterwards in a second step. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:26, 30 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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11 of the 12 stories were previously published in US (9) and UK (2) from December 1897 to October 1902, per Ernest Walter Martindell, ''A Bibliography of the Works of Rudyard Kipling (1881-1921)'', Bookman's Journal, 1922 (located at books.google.com).<br />
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All 12 short story Title records done, with that information --the first three-part serial with links to digital copies at HathiTrust Digital Library. COLLECTION Title not yet updated. <br />
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One month before it published the first of six stories, <i>The Ladies Home Journal</i> April 1900 published an article --not necessarily prose by Kipling-- entitled "Rudyard Kipling's New Animal Stories". That is the top line of the front cover ([http://www.magazineart.org/main.php/v/womens/ladieshomejournal/LadiesHomeJournal1900-04.jpg.html LHJ 1900-04 cover image]).<br />
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--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:51, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Evidently "The Elephant's Child" is the story content published under "Rudyard Kipling's New Animal Stories", April 1900. That explains the 1900 copyright, and I suppose that the title sufficiently explains why the 1926 bibliographer missed it. So I cancelled the submission on hold, focusing on that story's 1902 re-issue in ''The Windsor Magazine''. <br />
: [https://lccn.loc.gov/2007586218 LCCN: 2007-586218]; [https://lccn.loc.gov/2008570150 2008-570150]<br />
: Also I know the original illustrator {{a|Frank Ver Beck|130668}}. That's all for now, no time to write up. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:56, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Pearson's Magazine, October 1902 ==<br />
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Hello. Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304415 this publication], I have put your submission on hold, as I didn't understand your change from 1902-08-00 to 1902-09-00, given the date of publication of the magazine. If this is not a typo, please clarify in the notes if possible. Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 20:55, 20 July 2016 (UTC).<br />
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: I suppose that is a typo, '9' for '0', as I must have intended to change the date of the Title ''Pearson's Magazine - 1902'' T{{t|1049941}} from 1902-08 to 1902-00. Probably I shouldn't have tried to change that along with Publication update ''Pearson's Magazine, October 1902''.<br />
: Just now I submitted merge of the April 1902 number with the 1902 volumes. The merge tool offered two choices to resolve Conflict, 1902-08 and 1902-04, and I selected the latter. <br />
: Probably I should have changed Title ''Pearson's Magazine - 1902'' from Year 1902-09-00 (oversight by previous editor, I suppose) to 1902-00-00 before undertaking to add any more 1902 issues. <br />
: Until 1902-08-00 approved by Hauck a couple hours ago, I had not previously added a number to a magazine year that is in the database, only added a year to a magazine series and added contents to number that is in the database. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:24, 20 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: A glance at other years shows that we date the Pearson titles by year YYYY-00-00 in some instances, and YYYY-MM-00 in other instances. For the latter, 'MM' is the month of the earliest number that is in the database, and I suppose this to be an oversight by previous editor. The title by year YYYY should always carry Year = YYYY-00-00. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:28, 20 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: My subsequent [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3097568 Pending Title Update Submission] includes change of Year from [now 1902-04-00] to 1902-00-00. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:47, 21 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::I'm not sure there's a written rule for this. I usually change the date to "YYYY-00-00" (or simply "YYYY") with titles grouped by year but I've seen other strategies. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:36, 21 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sorry for not answering sooner, as I have been unavailable until now. I'll approve your submission; please make the necessary corrections afterwards. Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 14:02, 21 July 2016 (UTC).<br />
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== Magazine submission ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?579777 This] had a problem with an empty, unclosed anchor tag (it was just <code><a href="</code>) that made a mild mess of the display. I replaced that with XXXXX. It'll need fixing up. I think all of the rest of your note text survived. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:22, 26 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Harper's Weekly Magazine First Publications ==<br />
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I have three edits by you on hold. In each case, you are adding a statement regarding first published in Harper's Weekly. However, in each of these cases, the applicable Harper's Weekly publication is already in the database and contains the story. First published statements at the title level are only needed when the pub is not cataloged. If the pub is cataloged, they are redundant. You have also added notes regarding page numbers, heading, and illustrations that belong in the applicable pubs; not at the title level. I will leave these on hold for you to move the information into the applicable pubs. When done, please cancel the edits. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:22, 6 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
: One done in part, using page numbers "1193" and "|1193" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3147240 Submission 3147240].<br />
: Do you think it is reasonable to put all of this info in the Note? (as I have not done; this is copy-paste from deleted submission 3146213):<br />
:: p1193-94, with 4 illustrations by Richards, uncredited (clearly signed "F. T. Richards")<br />
: Commonly our book publication Notes cover attribution explicitly, when that differs from credit per title page (or from general sources such as Amazon or LCCN, if t.p. is not viewed). That is by policy as I understand it. Generally I have not replicated such information in the relevant Title records, in this case the F. T. Richards INTERIORART record, but it seems appropriate to do so. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:46, 6 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that would be appropriate. Stating the book doesn't have a credit statement, but the artwork is signed is valid information. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:05, 6 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:# I did mean "appropriate to do" it in both records (wording may differ): in the publication record (here, a magazine issue) and the title record (here, interiorart comprising N illustrations). It occurs to me now that we have a very great number of publication records derived from each other by cloning, and many generated partly by importing titles. We cannot practically expect notes on attribution to be replicated for every publication that contains a title, so the title records "need" such notes.<br />
:# One of the three remains on hold ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3146212 Submission 146212]) because it concerns a story T{{t|1016675}} published under variant title that is in the database. Here the variant long title is the original, under a natural interpretation of the original heading; see my submitted Note. Perhaps the long original should have been made the canonical title, but suppose we let it be. Moments ago you linked to the current Rules and Standards discussion a 2014 exchange [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive12#Variant_Dating Archive 12#Variant Dating]]. Your recommendation, approved by Mhhutchins, as I understand it in this case: "Title: Ghosts That Have Haunted Me" should be dated 1896-12-19 because it's the canonical title and that's the first publication of the work. Right? And "Ghosts That Have Haunted Me: A Few Spirit Reminiscences" should be dated 1896-12-19 too, of course, because that's the first publication under that title.<br />
:: Good night, late here in USA. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]<br />
:::Title record notes should contain information specific to the title. Publication record notes should contain information specific to the publication. Each publication record is supposed to identify the source of the information (either via primary verification or a secondary source note). Publication records missing sourcing does not mean the sourcing should be placed at the title record, it means the publication record should be fixed. In fact moving it to the title record it counterproductive as just because it is one way in one publication does not mean it is that way in all publications.<br />
:::Re the remaining edit: Based on that edit, the Harpers Weekly edition had the subtitle. Therefore, the current parent should be removed from the publication and the variant with the subtitle added. The note still belongs in the publication. Just because Harpers had the subtitle does not mean every other occurrence used it. I've gone ahead and made the changes.<br />
:::Yes, both should have the same date. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:44, 9 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Preface (Dracula's Guest) ==<br />
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I have your edit to {{T|878884|Preface (Dracula's Guest)}} on hold. Did you mean to add this synopsis and notes to {{T|83927|Dracula's Guest}} instead? They seem meant for that shortstory and not the essay. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:03, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:I see you made a subsequent edit to add the information to "Dracula's Guest". As such, I have rejected the edit to the preface since the content is about the shortstory and not about the essay. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:08, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: No, i submitted different material, citing/quoting the same Summary presumably from 2013 publisher Hachette Audio, to the SHORTFICTION and ESSAY title records, as i deemed appropriate. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:16, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Resubmitted in part, with greater clarity i hope. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:00, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Catacombs: A Tale of the Barque Cats ==<br />
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A bit late, but I answered your request on my page :-) --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] 18:09, 21 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Smith of Wootton Major" merge ==<br />
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I had to hard-reject your merge of "Smith of Wootton Major". One of the titles involved with the merge no longer exists (probably merged away in another submission). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:46, 25 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Evidently I submitted it twice, working from a long "Check for Duplicates" report without refreshing. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:12, 25 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Philippa Fisher's Fairy Godsister ==<br />
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Found the cover artists of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1982057 this cover art] at iStockphoto.com and changed it. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 19:51, 18 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Continued with wikilinks at [[User talk:Zapp#iStockphoto, Simon Spoon]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:23, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Subtitles ==<br />
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We don't use "A Novel" as a subtitle, ever. Cheers --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 21:01, 20 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Rejected "The Street of Mars" ==<br />
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I rejected this book as non-genre. The story concerns some kids in England, who are fascinated by some Roman ruins in their town. The streets in those ruins are named after various Roman gods, and they have some modest adventures on the street named after the god "Mars". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:34, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. You must have a good source for used books. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:23, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Black Cauldron ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?156761 this pub] found and put in. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 18:08, 11 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi, Zapp. Actually I know the Jean-Leon Huens and Jody Lee cover illustrations on sight; apparently so does my correspondent [[User:Taweiss]]. See [[User:Pwendt/People#Prydain covers]] (data as of 2016-07-07; numerals 1-5 in sublists designate the five novels). <br />
: The problems in mid-2010s are how to find sources that are reliable and what to do about all the bad data we have, some from editors who are no longer with us.<br />
: We have records such as {{t|143244|COVERART 143244}} for Dell Yearling ''The Book of Three'' with Jody Lee "Author" and a cover illustrated by Huens displayed. ''The High King'' is worse, {{t|144106}}.<br />
: The management of Dell Yearling imprint is most to blame, in my opinion, producing books that (a) use one ISBN for multiple designs, different cover artists if not also different sizes; while also (b) do not identify their cover artists and (c) do not date their printings. So we have books with different printing numbers and prices (certainly and almost certainly increasing as time passes, but that isn't good enough).<br />
: I never investigated, never started to learn, the process for correcting any records verified by retired editors. Eg [[User:Dragoondelight]] --altho I see that one did retire with notice "take over any/all that you might wish".<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:18, 11 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A thousand Miles an Hour'' ==<br />
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After approval, I uploaded a better cover scan, where the artist's signature is visible. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSNDMLSNH1924 here]. Cheers ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 17:32, 17 November 2016 (UTC).<br />
: Thanks. That is better than I found at e-Bay. By the way, the Kindle edition shows bright colors (http://www.amazon.com/thousand-miles-hour-Herbert-Strang/dp/B003UM47G8#reader_B00BWE78AI; Look Inside; scroll up). I will put that in error report to SFE3, which has cover artist D C Eyles elsewhere. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:44, 17 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Last Western ==<br />
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Hello, can you be more precise about the spec-fic elements of this book (I didn't find anything really conclusive)? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Hi. I don't know the book but stumbled upon its record in the database, and added more data from libraries, in the course of determining that Thomas S. Klise is the father of Kate and M. Sarah Klise.<br />
: Web search hits a fan review-conversation "The Great, Forgotten Sci-Fi Novel About The End Of The World" in which one of them calls it this "Very 1970s Catholic Social Apocalypse/Baseball Novel". I'll read it and try add something to the Title record. <br />
: today i can check contemporary newspapers too ... --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::I stumbled on the same page but after reading it (the page not the novel) I wasn't that convinced. The author is not on SFE3 and other usual sources so without any further evidence, I'm going to delete it. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:01, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: I find no review in multiple newspapers 1974 (and it was published early in the year). Sometimes I have access to journals and magazines, but not today.<br />
:::: One advertisement by a Chicago bookstore (send $6.95 plus 40c p&h per copy) quotes three reviews and also Walter M. Miller of ''Canticle for Leibowitz'' --the most apt author I can think of, but this is what we call "near-future" history evidently, in contrast to Miller's millenia.<br />
:::: The blurbs quoted from three reviews say in part "the most exciting and significant event in religious publishing in many many a moon", "a prophetic statement that dwarfs most others"; and "one of the most important religious books of the decade"; and "speculative fiction at its finest!". <br />
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:::: The first Customer Review at Amazon.com [https://www.amazon.com/last-Western-Thomas-S-Klise/dp/0913592315/ref=la_B001KMSE3W_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1480875380&sr=1-1] reports that it was essentially self-published (thus no reviews) and observies, "The Last Western's near-future setting makes it a speculative science fiction novel as well (R.A. Lafferty and Philip Jose Farmer both blurbed it)." And another says "A moving allegorical tale of grace, sin and redemption", ^a modern equivalent of Bunyan's "A Pilgrim's Progress"^ --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Blind" merges ==<br />
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Hello, I've rejected some of your proposed cover merges as there was no images for some titles so no way to determine if it's indeed the same cover. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:17, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: OK. I resubmitted MakeVariant for the one "Harold Siegel" title that does have a cover image.<br />
: For a couple weeks I have the Viking hardcover with dustjacket, library copy in clear plastic wrapper. Maybe I will look up how to make and upload an ISFDB-compatible cover image. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dr. Dolittle and the Green Canary ==<br />
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Hello, in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?598849 this pub] there seems to be a duplicate. Perhaps is the SHORTFICTION record an INTERIORART one. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:42, 27 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cosmopolitan, July 1889 ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your sumission but deleted the INTERIORART record. Only fiction is entered for nongenre magazines. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:45, 16 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Rose Royal'' price ==<br />
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Did you mean to include a price on {{P|88898|Rose Royal}}? It came through with just "$". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:22, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
: No, I noticed '$' in the table for another Nesbit book and thought that's a good idea to indicate UK/US ed without opening the publication records. I meant to enter '£' for Dormant too T{{t|197008}} (altho price surely less than £1) but overlooked it. Should it be deprecated? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:15, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
::I don't know. I wouldn't submit one that way, but others are, and the submissions are being approved, so you're just following precedent. They are easy enough to find and fix if someone decides we don't want them. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:42, 24 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Complete Book of Dragons'' clone ==<br />
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Hi. I don't understand the ''Complete Book of Dragons'' clone you've submitted. Doesn't it duplicate {{P|88864|this}}? Also, the notes say "1st US ed." but then you've given "£" as the price. So I'm a little confused. Help? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 03:19, 26 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
: evidently I did export contents from 1973 us to 1972 uk. So the clone is earlier mistake I neglected to delete. <br />
: good night --Pwendt from mobile keyboard without tilde afaik<br />
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== Earlier Dates ==<br />
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Hello, when you create a new record for a title that is earlier than the existing one (as you probably did with some Nesbit titles), please remember to change all the dates to the new earlier one, if not they will appear on a cleanup report and will have to be changed by a moderator. Thanks [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Wikipedia images ==<br />
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We can't link to Wikipedia, but generally images posted to Wikipedia are licensed in such a way that you can download them and upload them to the ISFDB (citing the source). Wikipedia provides a link to the license information for the image, so you can check the terms. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:20, 8 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Sequence of URL in Webpages field (Julie/Eloisa) ==<br />
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Hello, I believe I have this issue straightened out.<br />
The way that the site orders these links, the last link entered always appears at the left as the first link in the list. So for your links<br />
: Vol I http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries00gardgoog<br />
: Vol II http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries04rousgoog<br />
: Vol III http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries02rousgoog<br />
: Vol IV http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries01rousgoog<br />
I entered them into the Title Record in reverse:<br />
: Vol IV http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries01rousgoog<br />
: Vol III http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries02rousgoog<br />
: Vol II http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries04rousgoog<br />
: Vol I http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries00gardgoog<br />
So that the end result is the display order that you are trying to achieve. Of course, if someone adds another link to the list, it will appear first, but these four links should still appear in the proper order.<br />
[[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 17:50, 11 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. Webpages must frequently be displayed in poorly chosen sequence partly because few editors know this! --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:15, 11 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Jena Anderson ==<br />
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I have your edit to add a link to {{A|Jena Anderson}} on hold. There really isn't anything about the artist on that page (other than a statement she did the covers). Did you include the correct link? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:09, 22 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
: It wasn't a good resolution, altho it was what I intended in a hasty revisit after poking around the web on my phone. (I'm abbreviated on Tuesdays and I was sharply abbreviated on this one.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:14, 22 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding fictive days in publication date ==<br />
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Hello, I've reverted your changes that wished to add a fictive day (to order the publications). Such a practice (even documented in the notes) is creating new false information. Perhaps would the projected "Printing rank" field help you in the future. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:57, 3 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
: That wasn't me. It was my phone :--;<br />
: Thanks. My record of the 1st printing was a complement to that of the 2nd printing by user Chavey, who has not yet replied to my note. Probably its best if you add a comment there too, [[User talk:Chavey#The Secret Garden]]. <br />
: A printing rank field would have some value. I wouldn't give that change high priority. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:26, 3 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
:: I am not able to get to that book at present. I did a couple of those "artificial dates" some time ago, but I don't anymore, and don't object to having it taken out (as Hauk did). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:41, 4 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Fouqué versus Fouque ==<br />
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The software/database considers "é" to match "e". So because we have an entry "Friedrich de La Motte Fouque", you cannot also create another entry "Friedrich de La Motte Fouqué" -- the software matches that latter accented text to the existing un-accented text. The best we can do is use whichever version is more prevalent and note deviations where they occur. You could try to determine whether changing the name to "Friedrich de La Motte Fouqué" would be appropriate. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:23, 4 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Where Magic Reigns: German Fairy Tales Since Grimm ==<br />
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Your recent edits to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?617607 Where Magic Reigns: German Fairy Tales Since Grimm] have left Undine with a publication date later than the anthology it appears in. I have approved it but it will need to be fixed. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 20:13, 14 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Another editor picked it up evidently.<br />
: I do proofread much next day but not so much as I do on the 20 minute cycle.<br />
: --Pwendt<br />
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== External Identifiers ==<br />
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External identifiers (OCLC, LCCN, etc.) should no longer go into the notes field, but now into the new External Identifiers field on the publication editing screen. Select the specific type from the pull down, and just enter the number. The software makes the link automatically. If you have more than one, just the "Add External ID" button. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:52, 9 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Old Man Gully's Hant ==<br />
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Hello, I've put your submission on hold. I'm wondering what you're trying to achieve. This will create a new canonical for an author that has only one record so is its own canonical. Data about the real name can go in the notes. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 20:37, 10 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
: My purpose was not to add the writer's real name or full name (for which we have one Author field) but to add the original author and year of this story, in a 1911 collection. LC has records of two books by this writer, both as Sarah Johnson Cocke. Both are also listed at [http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Cocke%2C%20Sarah%20Johnson Online Books by Sarah Johnson Cocke].<br />
: The collection has been reprinted, in a [https://www.amazon.com/Bypaths-Dixie-Sarah-Johnson-Cocke-ebook/dp/B00ANUM8EI Kindle edition] among others, but I don't plan add it, or to assess its contents. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:42, 12 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
::OK, your aims are clearer. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:17, 12 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Notes templates ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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We have a few new-ish templates that can be used in Notes, including one for LCCN. If you use that one instead of direct links, if they ever change the format of their links or their server, a single change in the template will keep the link correct (as opposed to needing to change them in each publication. The complete list is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Linking_Templates here]. You are writing some pretty impressive notes in titles so I thought I would bring these to your attention. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:48, 24 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
: Gentle reminder :) I just changed the direct link to worldcat's OCLC record [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?983244 here] to the template. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:15, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1375484 here] :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hi. The instruction seems to have publication records in mind. (Maybe the instruction needs expansion.)<br />
::: "The use of linking templates should be limited to third party records which are not directly related to the publication, e.g. "The skeleton OCLC record {{OCLC|123456}} may be related." (And I don't know the meaning of "skeleton OCLC record".)<br />
::: Do we have any discussion of how much blue ink is desirable in various kinds of records?<br />
::: For a story title record --many of my submissions this summer-- frequently the original magazine (eg, <i>St. Nicholas</i>) or original illustrator (eg, W. R. Lohse) is in the database but I do not routinely link them (and never link publisher pages).<br />
::: Of course the numerical library catalog IDs are meaningless --and stable, we hope?-- whereas magazine and personal names are meaningful --and our canonical names are not stable; poorly chosen canonical names are corrected, albeit slowly. There is a good argument for using in Notes a version that appears in a relevant publication. <br />
::: If and when we have a "What links here?" feature, it will be desirable that Notes include links to our database pages, especially personal pages. For instance, from {{a|W. R. Lohse}} it would then be possible to list records in which he is noted --such as this one of my recent Notes T{{t|1375033}}. (I didn't provide any internal or external links, nor cite a library catalog record. That one is on my list to add the original 1922 publication to the database.) <br />
::: Do we have any discussion of these issues?<br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:46, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::: P.S. Commonly when I add a Title note that is "complete" rather than "to be continued", I have in hand multiple external source IDs such as LCCN, OCLC, and ASIN. Thus I could provide, or impose, a lot more blue ink. The records you approved this hour, such as T{{t|1375484}}, link (and cite) OCLC rather than LCCN because in this case all three OCLC records list the Contents, and LCCN do not. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:55, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::: The idea of most of the templates is to replace links in all Notes fields - so if you are planning to add a link to OCLC, LCCN and so on in your text, instead of the link, just use the template - thus minimizing the chances for a technical mistake and allowing the links to be changed if one of those sources reindex or change the format of the links without chasing all variations. If you just want to list OCLC records with no link, you still can do that of course. The instructions do need an update - they need to start pointing to external identifiers as well (so people know not to put those in notes anymore). On the publication level, the templates are to be used when the link cannot be pulled into an External Identifier (thus the way the note is written) - related records and so on. I will work on a proposed new documentation (thanks for the reminder) :) So technically it won't have more blue ink - same number of links remain, they just look a bit different.<br />
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::::: Think of the templates as links shortcuts - if it is on the list and you are adding a link, use the shortcut instead :) They do not replace all links (if the format does not suit what you are doing, go for a real link), neither they replace non-linked references. They are just links for the references(or texts for a few special cases - the Translator one is a text only but its usage will help us find all records with a Translator note when the feature for that is implemented).<br />
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::::: So the note here from me is not about the cases where you are not linking but when you are (I think I changed only those - did I manage to change by mistake something that was not a link initially? Apologies if I did - please send an update removing the template and I will approve it). <br />
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::::: If you would like a discussion on when it is worth using those and when not, go ahead. But as I said, my note is just for the case where you already have a direct link. As I said above - I find your notes very informative so I am not arguing why you have the references - I am just pointing out that we have a faster and more stable way to do the links now :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:06, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Supernaturalist ==<br />
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I thought that only illustrators were classified as Cover Artists and not designers? In your verified version of {{P|562749|The Supernaturalist}} the cover artists are specified as Alexander Garkusha and Stephan von Bolderick. On the back cover of my copy of {{P|116881|The Supernaturalist}} it states <I>Cover design by Alexander Garkusha. 3-D rendering by Stephan van Bolderick</I>. Note it is <I>van</I> not <I>von</I>. So I wonder if they should be removed from the Cover Artist field. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 10:18, 29 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: No doubt ''van'' Bolderick, as I wrote in the Note. Certainly I didn't notice that our Author name we have is Stephen ''von'' Bolderick, and I don't recall whether that was my typo or whether the Dutch-language cover was in the database, which I imported or merged without seeing the variant spelling.<br />
: The Dutch edition is not verified now. I don't how to find any creators of that publication record P{{p|528633}}, nor whether we maintain records from which any administrator can find them. Since I understand ''van'' to be Dutch and ''von'' German, I suppose the Dutch edition states ''van''. <br />
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: '''Main point.''' See three others of mine, the trilogy {{s|Philippa Fisher}}, re which I did initiate relevant Rules & Standards discussion that you should read, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive14#Entering_authors_as_credited--complex_attributions Entering authors as credited--complex attributions]. One aspect re ''The Supernaturalist'' must be whether "Digital Vision" should be credited as an author, or Garkusha, etc. Probably I judged that discussion inconclusive as a guide to practice. If you "search the database" for probably offending Names --[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=digital+vision&type=Name Name search : Digital Vision], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=istockphoto&type=Name : iStockphoto], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=getty+images&type=Name : Getty] -- you will probably be offended!<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:08, 10 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Answering your inquiries. ==<br />
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Just to let you know I answered your inquiry to best of abilities for now. Please let me know how you want to proceed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:17, 28 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Page Numbers for Ebooks ==<br />
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Ebooks shouldn't have page numbers. Even though many Project Gutenberg transcriptions leave the "page numbers," they don't equate to real pages so we don't record them. I accepted your edits to ''Edmund Dulac's Fairy-Book: Fairy Tales of the Allied Nations'', but edited the publication to change the page numbers from "#" to "|#" (this uses the page numbering for ordering purposes, but doesn't display it). Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:00, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
: OK. Now I submitted the page numbers to the 1st ed. (Hodder & Stoughton, 1916), which are identical, from its HathiTrust e-copy. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3578155 Submission 3578155]<br />
:: Note to self: identical pagination but extended by one extra story p171-74, namely the lead story in 1915 ''Edmund Dulac's Picture-Book for the French Red Cross'' announced ''The Observer'' 1915-09-19 p3, promoted -11-21 p5 "should and will be the gift book of the season" at 3/- , with "appeal for funds to be sent to him direct, care of the Daily Telegraph" [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100298600 at HDL] <br />
: This list of Contents (to be checked tomorrow) is nearly as long as I am happy to fix manually --add page numbers to each record and, as i recall, import one here and two there. Do you think it is reasonable to complete Contents in publication A; remove all contents from publication B; export all contents from A to B with page numbers? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:48, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, that works if all the page numbers are the same. Be sure to add notes to the moderator explaining what you are doing when you remove the contents. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:50, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: I'll try that some next time. Frequently the sequence of Contents is identical in multiple publication records, perhaps because a previous editor has Export Contents or Clone from one to the other, after adding Contents but without page numbers (or sequence as published). In this case, however, the Contents were once as published and once alphabetical by title! (and a couple were missing) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:17, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== McClure's - 1906 ==<br />
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I have your addition of a McClure's magazine on hold. What month is this issue? It should be entered as an individual issue (McClure, Month Year) so the publication has the correct title. The title record would then get merged into a single year title. Also, you did not include a source statement in the pub notes field. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:44, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
: If it is to be done that way, I need some instruction, not found at Help > New Magazine. After a summer of much reduced activity I have forgotten much that I didn't use frequently. <br />
: As I suggest in the Note to Moderator [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3601041], I planned to merge the two "McClure's - 1906" with the old Note and new date 1906-00-00 (rather than 1906-06-00). Offhand I don't know how to merge to Title records that do not share author ("Editors of McClure's") and nearly share title. I merge only via the "Check Duplicate Titles" feature of the summary bibliography [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?115684]. In fact, I don't believe that I have forgotten another way to merge!<br />
: Then I would fix the Publication title and give it date 1906-05-00 (rather than 1906-00-00). <br />
: Thanks in advance. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:19, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::While that makes merging the title records easier, the problem is that it creates a publication record titled "McClure's - 1906". The publication record needs to be "McClure, Month Year". I've gone ahead and approved it so you can {{P|638128|see what I mean}}. Please fix it. Usually, the easiest way to combine magazine records into a single title record is to go to the editor's summary page ({{A|Editors of McClure's|115684}} in this case) and use the "Show All Titles" link. That will show the titles and you can select and merge them from there. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:35, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: Done.<br />
::: Perhaps in the past I submitted a New Magazine (Publication record) whose annual (Title record) year is not yet represented in the database. Probably Mhhutchins, who moderated most of my first 500, taught the other approach in that context. Of course there would be no Merge step at all: 1. create the annual Title record, 2. fix the Publication record that is automatically generated. Do you recommend another approach in that context? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:02, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::I would recommend using add new magazine and setting the magazine title to the correct thing (ex: "McClure, March 2018"). Then either use show all titles to merge the title records or change the title record to "McClure - 2018" and then using check for duplicates to merge. I think that approach is clearer. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:46, 23 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Frank Adams ==<br />
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I have your Frank Adams related edits on hold. While I agree the cartoon and illustrator are likely to be different people, what is your sourcing for the people you identify? Your moderator notes seems to make it sound like you are assuming they are the respective artists vs. having a source. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:42, 5 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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: OK. First I will add another book or three by Frank Adams, at least ''Alice in Wonderland''. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:57, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::Not exactly sure how to interpret that... For now, I rejected the edits & then disambiguated the artist. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:23, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::: OK. I see you disambig'd them in the opposite fashion. Last hour I submitted one publication of the 1912 ''Alice in Wonderland'' as by Frank Adams. I now know that he is the illustrator of ''The Wolf-Leader'' and many nursery rhymes, etc, but I am out of time. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:36, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::::I flipped them. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:31, 7 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::::: Thanks <br />
1. {{a|Frank Adams}}, British illustrator of nursery picture book mainly, is clear from the library records i consulted and some crucial images available online. AuthorUpdate [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3644945 submission 3644945] is experimental in format regarding how to use the {BREAK} command; I don't know whether that can be previewed when used correctly.<br><br />
: That update has been approved and I see that I did use {BREAK} adequately, as double-braces inline. ... (continued below)<br />
His Top 20 works/titles at WorldCat appear to be 15 nursery picture books, ''The Compleat Angler'' and ''Alice'', and three other books for adults including ''The Wolf-Leader'' (and two non-genre). Those three are not in the British Library catalogue as by "Frank Adams, 1871-1944" but the others are, and signatures show that this Frank Adams is the same one who provided a few illustrations for ''Wolf-Leader'' (and ''Barbara''). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:25, 7 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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2. {{a|Frank Adams (I)}}, creator of two cartoons published in 1950s pulp magazines, I did suppose on Tuesday to be the American WWII cartoonist 1914-1987 with page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Adams_%28artist%29 at English Wikipedia]. (I don't say "covered" at Wikipedia and know that that page may be deleted.) I have more data on this Frank Adams but I don't know that any should be used. Perhaps only indicated in a Note.<br><br />
: Only occasionally during the last few months I continue to add content to Author and Bio space in the ISFDB Wiki. Almost always that is update of an existing page, and commonly one that I created myself. (On instruction by Mhhutchins late in his tenure here, previously I used database Note fields where available, Magazine Publisher Series, but the Note field was not available for Author records.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:01, 7 December 2017 (EST) <br />
I did suppose the match with Frank Adams (I) on the evidence only that cartoonist and time-period are fitting; American nationality fits the 1952/1953 Ziff-Davis publications; and his [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56221 April 1953 ''Amazing Stories''] title "Lathrop, I'll have to ask you to stick with the rest of the party." (page 105) plus the following story title "The Invaders" (page 107) both broadly fit the war-time cartoonist reputation. Well, it seems likely to me that an American pulp published during the Korean War would run a cartoon by a known WWII cartoonist. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:44, 7 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:I found an example of his signature on-line and it is very similar to the cartoon. Without definitive proof though, I'm leery of bibliography by coincidence. That's an easy path to making errors. I added the info to the author notes for {{A|Frank Adams (I)|263053}}. As for the wiki, we are no longer using it for new notes. It is in the process of being phased out (very slowly, content is being copied from the wiki to the relevant notes field & the wiki pages deleted). Mhhutchins instructions would have been before that change. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:32, 8 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== The Adventures of a Brownie, As Told to My Child ==<br />
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Hi, I approved your submission for {{T|2191680|The Adventures of a Brownie, As Told to My Child}}, but the note contents you submitted look like they are a bit messed-up. Did you probably forget some text in the note (see the "Uncredited" there)? Also, the HTML formatting of the bullet points was not correct. The correct HTML structured is like this (the text goes ''behind'' the <nowiki><li></nowiki> element, not before):<br />
<source lang="html4strict"><br />
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<li>Item 1<br />
<li>Item 2<br />
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Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 15:13, 30 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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: I did mean the first item simply "Uncredited". I submitted a format fix. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:24, 30 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Project Gutenberg Links ==<br />
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When the Project Gutenberg text has been entered as publication, links to Project Gutenberg test do not belong at the title level as they specific to that single publication. The software will automatically link to Project Gutenberg on the publication page for the Project Gutenberg ebook. And when the Project Gutenberg text has not been entered as a publication, it is usually better to enter the Project Gutenberg ebook as a new publication than to add a title record level link. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:45, 26 February 2018 (EST)<br />
: Hi. Under what conditions does the software provide a link to any Project Gutenberg Ebook? For instance publication record P{{p|416826}} does not evidently provide a link even to Project Gutenberg itself (that is, I don't know where it is displayed) although the Catalog ID and Publisher fields are completed correctly. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:01, 26 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::It is on the left, under "Other Sites". --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:11, 27 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Cloning backward in time ==<br />
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Hello, when you clone a record "backward" in time as you did with <i>These Little Ones</i>, the contents appears on our cleanup report lest you change their dates (that are set the cloned book later date). It means that you have either to change the dates in the to-be-cloned record first (in one go) or to change the individual dates after cloning at title level (which is whay I had to do). Thanks for remembering this potential problem. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 02:01, 27 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Type changes ==<br />
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Hi, <br />
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When changing the type of a title with a single publication, you can change it via the "Change Publication" screen together (as it is a single, it does not get greyed out) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:19, 30 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Hugh Haughton ==<br />
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You mentioned a WorldCat link in the moderator note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?116402 the edit of this guy] ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3776102 note visible here]) but there was no WorldCat link in the bunch? And all 3 you have added are confirmed - they work and they point where they should :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:09, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. That composition was nearly ready to submit when I discovered and visited the Wikipedia page. I copied that URL and replaced the WorldCat as Webpage 2 but neglected to change WorldCat to Wikipedia in the Note to Moderator. <br />
: (I add WorldCat links only to author pages where English[and some other] Wikipedia biography page is not available with that link at the foot, which sometimes but rarely pertains to a second WorldCat page for the same person. Not so for LCCN, as English[at least] Wikipedia routinely provides LCCN link without point of entry to the Online Catalog, which is the main point in my opinion.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:30, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: I never use WorldCat for authors so I was not looking for the link specifically - I pinged you only because I saw the note and decided to let you know that I do not see the referenced link - when editors write notes (which is always a great thing to do), I make sure I pay attention :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:42, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks for the notice. Please continue under similar circumstances. <br />
::: By policy I begin the line "[br]later" when it and all that follows is a note to self. Since "later check newspapers" is most common and commonly first stated, and I may have 1000 submissions such, I suppose that regular moderators know "later ..." is a note to myself (albeit commonly revealing grounds for more confidence in the submission, even at a glance). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:51, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::: Oh, I know - I tended to do the same :) Still do - even as a moderator - actually. I was coming over anyway to let you know that you are missing a link - so I checked the other 2 - otherwise I would have left it for you to figure out and check (as I usually do) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:55, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Hard Reject on Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass ==<br />
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I had to hard reject the edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325659 this title]. The earlier merge of the two introductions retained the ID of the title that was not originally in this one - so this submission became invalid. I think I got the idea so I reapplied the |1-4 numbers - can you just verify that I got the order correctly (the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3776036 submission] shows only the first 2 elements - the two novels - and I extrapolated from there). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. It's good. My purpose was only to mimic the Contents display by another editor at the 2010 ed./printing P{{p|325659}}. Sometimes I submit "2nd of 3", etc, in foolish sequence, or neglect to numeral one of them. Even if I were perfect clerically, I would need study to learn when a particular sequence is necessary. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:41, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Any merge can cause troubles (depending on which ID remains and which one is dropped - you have a 50/50 chance of a followup update being valid) - so if you are doing a sequence that will contain a merge, either send the Merge first and wait for it to be approved or do all BUT the merge and when all is done, submit the merge. The sequence is good - it tells a moderator that you are working on it so they do not need to jump and do the next steps (and it also tells them to look for the rest of the sequence). Other actions that can cause issues: A date/name change of a story/essay/another element via "Publication Edit" - if someone clones/adds publication (thus making these unavailable for edit from the pub edit page), the edit is also erroring. Any deletes will also cause issues. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:46, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There ==<br />
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Why are you trying to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3777027 clone another publication] and not just edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?529935 this one]? What are the differences between the two? It needs a name change from what I can see (title page vs cover) but it seems to be the same book? Am I missing something? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:26, 10 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: I didn't know the two print publications were in the database when I submitted that, only the ebook. <br />
: Please hold the submission. For now I'll fix the ebook instead and leave both print ISBn 978-0-14-310762-0 publications in the database for discussion. I don't know the database model well enough, and don't trust its execution well enough anyway, to judge whether or not those two are "the same book". So ISBn 978-0-14-310762-0 is in the database three times for now, two approved and available in publication view and others, one on hold. <br />
: At Community Portal the heading will be some something like "Penguin Books and Penguin Books (US), for instance". <br />
: P.S. Only now I discover the advanced publication search by external identifier, eg [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/external_id_search_results.cgi?ID_TYPE=1&ID_VALUE=B00OQS4C8S ASIN B00OQS4C8S]. It needs several steps so I won't routinely use it in Note to Moderator but it's good to have.<br />
: --Pwendt 14:31, [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:51, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Both the book you are trying to submit and the one we have say Penguin Books (US) so I am not entirely sure what you mean. It is the same ISBN, the same format, the same dates an it is not verified - no reason to believe it is a different book. I can accept yours and delete the one we have but in the future, try to search by ISBN before adding (that would have found the tp) :) Let me know if you want me to proceed with approving and deleting the duplicate. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:52, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::: Our two records of print ISBn 978-0-14-310762-0 publications say "Penguin Books" and "Penguin Books (US)", whose meaning I will pursue. I prefer those two records remain, temporarily. I submitted the Charlie Lovett edition-edition (Penguin Classics Deluxe Edition) in its digital edition-format if you know what I mean. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::: One is the US edition, one is the UK edition. They are ok. This is standard handling for the publishers that are publishing on both sides of the ocean. The issue here is the THIRD one you are trying to add, that will be an exact copy to the already existing US one. Which will end up with 2 US and 1 UK edition of the ISBN and the two US ones are exactly the same. Thus one needs to go. Yours have more details so I can accept it and delete the existing US one - so we will still have 2 at the end. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:35, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I've approved yours, deleted the duplicate. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:38, 20 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: OK. Having returned from a very long weekend I continue work in progress on the Lovett, Haughton, and Green omnibus eds. of Alice. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:31, 24 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== About your test ==<br />
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<nowiki>{{LCCN|n79072843}}</nowiki> works in the regular notes; it does not work in the moderator notes :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:00, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}}<br />
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== Three Gothic Novels ==<br />
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Did you mean to add "1 belated hit 2018-04-26 in US newspapers:" in the NOTES of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?224681 this one]? If so - can you add more notes clarifying what exactly that means because it reads like gibberish to me and it does not connect to the rest of the notes in any way or form :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:20, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: ("belated" was inspired --or uninspired obscurity as you say-- for the late newspaper date; in notice on the retired verifier's talk page [[User talk:Swfritter#Three Gothic Novels]], I used boldface emphasis to the same effect<br />
: Yes, I'll do that--tomorrow unless I must forego the university library until Saturday (*). It turns out that I do hit the book as "Three Gothic Novels" in 1966 newspapers --which I missed in "Castle of Otranto" search yesterday-- so I will rewrite the offending note. But I must depart.<br />
:(*) I save links from successful search such as this but they operate only when I am again at the university library, benefiting from a building subscription to ProQuest Historical Newspapers. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:17, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: And I'll rearrange/format Gutenberg 696 P{{p|338196}} --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:18, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: {{Done}}. And done. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:06, 28 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Heartsease ==<br />
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This kind of details belong to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558917 proper pub note], not just the moderator ones. So I moved them in. Feel free to rewrite. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:45, 30 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}}<br />
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== Source ==<br />
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Any source that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3805737 this] does not actually have a cover from Stacey? Just because WorldCat says that there are 6 illustrations, that does not mean that he did not do the cover as well. Or am I missing something here? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
: The record gives no other source. Probably someone cut and paste hastily to the cover art field; evidently careless as interior art not entered. As I depart. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:42, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: OK then. I was also looking around and cannot find the attribution. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:38, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}}<br />
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== The Beast of Bradhurst Avenue ==<br />
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Hey, thanks a lot for digging through ProQuest for me; I found all the chapters and created serial records for them, so it's all finished now. Best, --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 16:08, 11 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Marianne Dreams ==<br />
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Can you please revise this statement: "Price from capsule in "Briefing"" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?672161 Marianne Dreams]? I am not sure what capsule would mean here and/or what you meant but as it stands, it is unclear. I can just revise it to read "Price from the "Briefing" section" but if you meant something else, please go ahead and revise it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:10, 28 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Done (capsule review) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:46, 28 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Planned Project Scope Expansion ==<br />
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(I am leaving this note on the Talk pages of some of the more active editors to make sure that we are not missing anything. If you have been following [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this Rules and Standards discussion] and agree with the proposal, please ignore this note.)<br />
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As per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this discussion], [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] is about to be expanded to include:<br />
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* Speculative ''fiction'' webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues<br />
* Special speculative ''fiction'' issues of non-genre webzines<br />
* One time speculative ''fiction'' anthologies published on the Web<br />
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If you believe that this scope expansion may cause unforeseen and/or undesirable consequences, please share your thoughts on the Rules and Standards page. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:20, 4 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Emer's Ghost ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Both the cover and OCLC show the author of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3895892 this one] as Sefton and not Waddell. Do you have access to a title page that shows the book credited to Waddell directly? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:21, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
: No, Sefton. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:37, 8 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
: I replaced that submission. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:49, 8 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Ben Shecter ==<br />
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I have approved the addition of Ben Shecter's biographical information and clarified the nature of his theater/film/etc work. I also replaced the link to [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.arts.books.childrens/dGQ9ripbaHA/58gS2iUsWfIJ this Usenet post] with a link to the [http://carriehaddadgallery.com/index.cfm?method=Artist.ArtistDetail&ArtistID=54F43589-19DB-5802-E040D9D389DBFB09 source of Lenona's information]. She posts a lot of useful biobibliographical sketches on Usenet, but her information comes from other sources, which she always credits. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:53, 1 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks. I found the Caddad Gallery page and followed some other links that Lenona provided but I didn't notice any source for "Happy 80th", and thus for the implied birthdate 1935-04-28. Else I would, or should and might, have entered a source URL or two as necessary.<br />
: Concerning the other procedure, Shecter and mis-spelled Shechter, I continue at [[User talk:Ahasuerus#Ben Shecter, Author merge]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:38, 1 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''A Sensational Trance'' ==<br />
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I accepted your edit to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558644 A Sensational Trance], but could you please look again at the note as it appears incomplete. I'm particularly puzzled by "8vo.", and the final word '"Downey' Thanks for checking. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 18:33, 11 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
: done by phone. --Pwendt<br />
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:: Further discussion [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Pwendt#A_Sensational_Trance_-_round_2 below]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:11, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Miss Pickerell and the Weather Satellite'' ==<br />
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I have approved the addition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?678124 this record] and edited the notes data for readability. Hopefully nothing got lost in the process :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:53, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks for your attention. For all three mid-Saturday submissions with that Note to Moderator, "continue on return to library, look for another image", I anticipated that the incomplete submissions would be approved sometime Sunday at latest; I would check against the books, augment or correct as necessary, and format in my usual style, as for the one (of four Miss Pickerell in the Ace series) that is from secondary sources only [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3929957].<br />
: The latter is the only one of all Miss Pickerell in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?80 Archway / Pocket Books] edition (#1 to #12? or more?) for which Amazon US --on that product page defined by ISBN -- provides a cover image of the US issue, apparently 1st printing.<br />
: Now I won't be able to get back to the library copy this fortnight (August vacation looms). I haven't adjusted to the long submission queue, and perhaps I won't need to adjust, if it turns out that other people's August vacation is the primary cause. (In the long shadow of the queue, however, I spent my Sunday time reading wiki pages rather than working here. I was dismayed to learn that Hauck has departed, where I had supposed my own "graduation" to less meticulous or less experienced moderators--supposed that he was continuing to mentor the sophomore class, if you know what I mean.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:29, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: The vacation season is likely one part of the problem since a number of our moderators have been on vacation over the last few weeks. Another part -- and I can only speak for myself here -- is that I find your submissions time-consuming to process, so they tend to stay in the queue longer than other submissions. Your notes are usually well-researched and informative, but they can be hard to parse. Much of the time I am not even sure what they are supposed to mean, so I can't edit them for readability. I realize that you are doing your best and I greatly appreciate the work that you do. Unfortunately, I don't really know how we could improve the process :-( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:49, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''A Sensational Trance'' - round 2 ==<br />
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I have approved your changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558644 this publication] and edited notes for clarity and readability. Could you please clarify "(That is, Crown octavo.)"? Does it mean that "crown 8vo." stands for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavo the Crown octavo book size], i.e. 7½" by 5" (190 mm x 126 mm)? If so, we will want to spell it out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:08, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Little Green Man ==<br />
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Thanks for finding the problem with the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1328301 ''The Little Green Man'']! I am not sure how we ended up with "M'''e'''n" instead of "M'''a'''n", but it was definitely an error. I have checked my copy of Reginald3 and he also says "Man". I have removed all references to the "Men" version.<br />
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I have approved and reorganized your notes for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362069 first edition]. I have a few questions:<br />
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* What does "intended" mean in this context?<br />
* When you write that "The listings in ''Manchester Guardian'' and ''The Academy'' note "[This day.", what exactly does it refer to? Is it the name of the section where the listings appeared?<br />
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Also, I have created a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?678185 new publication record] for the cheaper (3/6) edition and moved the second half of the Notes field there. Hopefully everything looks OK. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:52, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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: It isn't all OK but I don't now have time for any tweaks to the database, nor for whatever reply is appropriate here. It will wait. Thanks for your efforts. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:52, 15 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Tales from Eternity'' publisher ==<br />
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FYI, I found [https://books.google.com/books?id=bJTfAAAAMAAJ&q=tales+from+eternity+allen+unwin&dq=tales+from+eternity+allen+unwin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSqf7etKDeAhVhRN8KHeLfCOEQ6AEITDAF Google Books] shows a snippet with the copyright confirming "George Allen & Unwin Ltd." --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 21:15, 24 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Time Garden ==<br />
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Hello, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394924 this one] is both PV verified and OCLC verified by an active editor(Chavey). Can you drop them a note about the changes you are making (I approved them as they are obvious but as it is a verified book, let's make sure we are not missing something? The old OCLC record was 35301743 (in case we need to restore it). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:22, 16 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Merging Interviews ==<br />
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As long as the names match, the duplicate finder does find them (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_title_dups.cgi?1506768 this]. Are these two the same? If there are more of these, you can use Advanced Search to get them into a mergeable position (or just list them here and I will merge). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:45, 7 December 2018 (EST)<br />
: No others. In effect I merged the other "Go Fish" titles manually, import and remove, which was booked once as ESSAY and once as INTERVIEW. I had expected Aggressive mode to identify the ESSAY and INTERVIEW as author [Natalie Babbitt] duplicates, with identical title and author = interviewee, but it didn't.<br />
: Evidently I have not noticed that Advanced Search enables selection by checkbox. That will be useful sometimes. Thanks.<br />
: (I avoid using the uncredited Author page, and some undated and unknown searches.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:39, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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: Oh, I recall too expecting that last the two listings at {{a|Alexander Gordon Smith}} would be picked up as author duplicates in Aggressive mode. I quote them, just in case someone else completes the merge:<br />
: Interviews with This Author<br />
:* Go Fish: Questions for the Author: Alexander Gordon Smith (unknown) by uncredited<br />
:* Go Fish: Questions for the Author: Alexander Gordon Smith (2012) by uncredited <br />
: Now I suppose that that fails because he is not the "Author" of the interviews, although they are cleverly appended to his "Author" summary bibliography. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:57, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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:: Interviews are special - they have two authors connected to them. This is why they are not that easily mergeable with other types - so they are treated differently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:21, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Jules Verne ==<br />
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Based on your user page, we may have some overlap in our research. You seem to be focused on the Earth to the Moon volumes (currently) in much detail. My initial goal was simply wanting to enter some Jules Verne books I had. I realized the existing entries did not generally differentiate the translations, so I set out to put the first publication of each in, so mine could be in the right place. Then I realized that most of the French versions weren't there and the English would be the first of any publication. So I dug out the first French publications and realized I couldn't enter them, they were in serial form. So that went in the notes and I found the earliest French editions. That's all done so now I'm going through the titles putting in the first publication of each English translation. Then I'll be able to put my verifiable copies in. <br />
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I've run across a few resources that might be of interest. For example [http://www.julesverne.ca/jvbookSampsonLow.html this] history of the Sampson Low publishers. If you think it's worth comparing notes, it might be easier if you email me directly. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:59, 23 February 2019 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. That info is similar to that Library of Congress provides, citing "Brown, P.A.H. London publishers and printers, c. 1800-1870, c1982", which link[https://lccn.loc.gov/no2008108391] is part of my last hour [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4203099 submission 4203099]. I must be the author of most publisher pages that look like that one, with heavy use of blank lines to format and template {publisher} to link predecessor and successor publishers.<br />
: I am 15 minutes past closing time so let me tonight postpone all matters of ISFDB substance.<br />
: 1. Do I know where to email you? Are you the maintainer of julesverne.ca, compiled from what you have "run across", or is that one of the resources you have "run across"?<br />
: 2. I see that you use U Winnipeg and U Manitoba. Perhaps you have access to ProQuest Historical Newspapers there? That is what I use to search newspapers and magazines, largely from 100+ years ago so that the books are likely to be available at HathiTrust or elsewhere online. <br />
: Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:22, 23 February 2019 (EST)<br />
::Use the "E-mail this user" link in the toolbox on the left from my user page. Include an email address I can reply to, as I'm not sure ISFDB provides one. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:37, 23 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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An interesting source of information based on series publishers available at: [https://seriesofseries.owu.edu/ Ohio Wesleyan University]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:05, 4 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks, Doug. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:46, 4 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of the Supernatural: Six Romantic Stories ==<br />
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Hi, You [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4302413 change the book author] to James Platt, Junior, but leave all stories in the book a by James Platt? Father and son?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:17, 10 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Dirk, There is only one 19th century James Platt likely to be in our database, as far as I know (sometimes credited/named/reported as Junior, Jun., Jr., or the Younger). Yesterday I revised one title to create James Platt (I) {{a|294141}} because I suppose that Letter is contemporary to its 1982 publication. <br />
: As I depart today:<br />
: {{a|James Platt}} (undifferentiated) remains --to be credited as "James Platt, Junior" for the 1894 edition. Because we have latterday publications of the 1894 stories (and one or two for the entire collection) as by James Platt, and more must be expected, that name should be canonical, I understand. <br />
: Today I decided there is no good way to revise the 1894 publication record, so I created [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4302846 Pending New Publication Submission 4302846], which generates new COLLECTION titles and 6 new SHORTFICTION titles. And I prepared to make 6 variants by specifying the matching short story length.<br />
: '''The submission that you have on hold''' may be canceled. I suppose it should be retained for your reference, so I do not try "Cancel submission" --which may or may not be technically permitted during "Hold", as far as I know. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:53, 11 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Old-Fashioned Fairy Tales ==<br />
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Project Gutenberg works (like any other work) should be credited per their title page, not by how Project Gutenberg indexes the author. I have approved the entry of {{P|721813|Old-Fashioned Fairy Tales}}, but changed the author credit to Juliana Horatia Ewing. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:47, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: Project Gutenberg does index this author as JHGE [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/1803] [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/15592]. I don't rely on the index here (nor elsewhere), however, but on the header in which PG reports <br />
Title: Old-Fashioned Fairy Tales<br />
Author: Juliana Horatia Gatty Ewing<br />
Release Date: April 9, 2005 [eBook #15592]<br />
: Before going further here, do you mean to rely on PG representation of the title page of its source text? Is that interpretation somewhere stated at ISFDB.org? It implies that publisher, publication date, and catalog ID are unstated in all PG ebooks, afaik. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:35, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::We credit '''authors''' per the title page. We don't credit per a header, copyright page, or other front material. We credit per the title page. That applies for all publications. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:01, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks but no thanks. The question is whether we have some consensus to consider Gutenberg representation of the original title page as title page of the ebook. It seems akin to the facsimile of original publisher's title page that many reissues contain.<br />
::: We have many publication records that take Author, Title, Date, and publisher all from the top lines of the Project Gutenberg publication. So I am asking whether we have a consensus. (I know of course that both interpretations are commonly followed.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:23, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::ISFDB standards are straight forward. We credit per the title page. Whether the title page is a facsimile or a transcription is irrelevant. Ebooks (including Project Gutenberg's) have a clear title page and that is what is used. The top lines of the file are clearly not a title page. Some Project Gutenberg publications (typically older ones, but can also happen with newer ones) do not have a title page in which case the header is all we can go by. But when there is a title page, it is to be used. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:04, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hill-Man and the Housewife / The Hill-man and the House-wife / The Hillman and the Housewife ==<br />
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Hi, I need a lot of more reasons to unvariant these titles as that you are presently giving -none.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:08, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
: As I said, our "one hyphen" canonical title happens to appear in one 2018 publication. The title with no hyphens appears in the undated first collection (1882) and in the collection as first half of undated Works (US), Vol III; [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uc2.ark:/13960/t6j09x02z?urlappend=%3Bseq=22 page 8, 1st series].<br />
: The "one hyphen" 2018 title cannot be relegated to variant in one operation, iiuc; all of its own variants must be undone first. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:35, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Dirk, Maybe you can simply do this essentially "at once". There three edits needed to change the canonical title from one-hyphen to no-hyphen, iiuc.<br />
::* undo no-hyphen as variant of one-hyphen "The Hill-Man and the Housewife"<br />
::* make two-hyphen a variant of no-hyphen, rather than a variant of one-hyphen<br />
::* make one-hyphen a variant of no-hyphen<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:38, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: That rearrangement of canonical/variant relations is complete. The steps listed above make it an overnight (or two) process for me. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:52, 8 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== She and Allan ==<br />
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One of the OCLC numbers you are adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4386462 here] says 19 cm, the other one 22 cm. Which is a substantial difference (and usually indicates book club vs mass edition in some cases). Are you sure these are for the same book? If so, we need to note the difference... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:16, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: I don't yet know much --and nothing about what Library and Archives Canada as an online resource. Two McClelland & Stewart editions are not expected but, yes, let's hold this one. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:46, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: I do not know the publisher (much) but the big difference in size bothers me - it may be a typo from OCLC (a note will fix that) - but it also may be two editions for some reason (we've seen weirder). If you have time (and nothing better to do), maybe look through other books from the same publisher around that time and compare sizes and so on? I will keep it on hold - feel free to cancel it when/if you need to edit or ping me when you have more details. I will also see if I can dig something out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::: OK, I approved it for now (because the rest of the information was good) but pulled out OCLC 1032950781. Once we figure out that size difference, we can readd it (or not). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:18, 5 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Editing notes and so on ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4392442 this one]. The Tuck verifier is active. So instead of saying "Tuck probably reports", ask them about it so we can actually have the data properly noted. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:46, 8 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: OK. There is no reason to note such variant reports, of secondary sources that are known to be unreliable, or to adopt other conventions reliably, so I will raise the general questions about Tuck; with some of the Macdonald Illustrated Edition for illustration. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:43, 8 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Cuckoo Clock and The Tapestry Room ==<br />
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You will need to redo [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4405200 the import] - it got damaged. I approved the merge of the imterior arts you submitted before that so I suspect that you were trying to import here that ID (and it went away). Sorry -- let me know if you need any assistance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:47, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}} --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:53, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Lagerlöf and others ==<br />
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Please don't forget that the DB started as an English only DB and then got the other languages almost grandfathered (the ones that do not use standard Latin-1 kicking and screaming) :) This is why we miss a lot of non-English books - including the omnibus of Selma Lagerlöf that you mentioned. And while in some languages we have editors that had made a lot of progress in adding books, Swedish is not one of them. If you can find that original publication somewhere, it will be good to have :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:25, 18 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Famous Stories Every Child Should Know ==<br />
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I put your submission for the INTERIORART in this pub on hold. When you refer to an on-line source like you do here, you should make that source reachable from the note by using the following: <a href="here you put the URL for the reference">here you put the name of the source</a>. The result will be a blue copy of the name of the source; when a user clicks on it, he will jump to the reference. You can use this method for items in the ISFDB or outside it. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:55, 1 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: OK. Now I import of that INTERIORART to our record of the 1907 1st ed., which provides a reference for the Note closing, "See that publication record." I expect to rewrite the Note entirely based on a thorough check of library records for early editions. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:15, 2 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::O.K., approved. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:15, 2 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== More Fairy Stories Every Child Should Know ==<br />
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We ended up with two of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_pub_dups.cgi?740648 these]. Are you changing something in of them or do I need to delete one of them? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:53, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: We need to delete one. I repaired HTML and rearranged after viewing the submission. Now I submit DeletePub for the earlier publication. Then its ANTHOLOGY Title may be deleted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:10, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: I was sure I saw something different but then looked again and decided to come ask :) Deleted and the old title was also taken care of. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:20, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Omnibus of only stories ==<br />
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Technically, unless you want to import the Collection titles as well, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?565494 this] should be a collection even if its content was published in a few collections before. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:07, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Probably I will use the short titles of the two collections (only one of which happens to be our canonical title now), where online view of the interior is lacking (maybe not to be determined today). It's a slow process to change Type, with submissions not accepted until others are approved, beyond the usual lags. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:25, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: If you see a moderator around, you can always just explain to them what you are trying to do and they can do the change for you much quicker. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:44, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== A trilogy in five parts ==<br />
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Or in your case "a pentalogy in 6", right? :) Made me smile (in case you do not recognize the reference in the title here, let me know).:) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:08, 30 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Dashes, hyphens and the like ==<br />
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— and - are treated differently in the DB so [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4456641 these] will be variants. Unless you can confirm that they use the first in both place. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:54, 2 November 2019 (EDT)<br />
: I submitted MakeVariant in place of TitleMerge and a simple note our source for the spaced hyphen. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:11, 2 November 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Second Bedside Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Did you mean to add all of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296104 this] in the notes or was part of it for the moderator note? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:14, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: "all of this"<br />
: I am able to add the LC record, evidently the source for the one linked at WorldCat, and improve the wording and format. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:32, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Sorry - I meant some of the wording in the note. The revised version reads a lot more like a permanent note so thanks for fixing it :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:56, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Tales of Laughter: A Third Fairy Book ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you confirm that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2638560 Wee Robin's Yule-Song] is indeed in Scots and not in English? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:23, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, Annie<br />
: I cannot. For the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?56191 Library of Fairy Literature], I added or completed most of the publications (early eds. and Gutenberg certainly), and associated author/illustrator, publisher, series Notes. No Contents at all. Only the headers of the COLLECTION notes, which I hope(d) to layout with a break as for volume 1 The Fairy Ring T{{t|2628264}}.<br />
: The work on Contents (as some other fairy/folk tale anth/collections) is by Loviatar with coaching by Dirk J Broer (and slightly me) [[User talk:Loviatar#The Fairy Ring]] (now two sections).<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:47, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: So why is it set to Scots? Any idea? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:02, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: None. No advice except check COLLECTION Titles as well as fiction/poem/essay Titles for anything Loviatar may have noted. Nor do I know how far the "Work in progress" has progressed toward "done". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:13, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: P.S. My understanding is that L hopes to confirm or correct the Publisher Notes that are linked in the second bullet point of each COLLECTION Note, as for Tales of Laughter [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t8v980z3w&view=2up&seq=8 Publisher Note 3]; and to identify "all" not so noted by the publishers. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:19, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Dead Love ==<br />
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When you are merging to eliminate the name as in this case, make sure you select an empty parent at the bottom - otherwise you leave a variant pointing to itself and a second edit is needed to remove the loop. :) I did that for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1102665 this one]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:53, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Same for the other 2 :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:54, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: OK. I'll try to remember that. Somehow we broke the variant relation for the one story with a second pseudonym in the database, title T{{t|2498523}} (restoration submitted). Perhaps that merge preserved the low-number ID. I don't recall any warning that the ID potentially to be vacated is in use elsewhere. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:03, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: Oops. Missed that somehow - it was a circle when I broke it (I think). There is no warning because the system assumes you know what you are doing. Maybe we need one for the case where a merge will result in the ID remaining a variant of itself but just in the meantime, just keep an eye for that. If the parent remains one of the two IDs in the merge, it is the wrong ID and needs cleaning; if it is an independent one, you can leave it in place. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:53, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Dream Weavers: Short Stories by the Nineteenth-Century Pre-Raphaelite Poet-Painters ==<br />
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Changed the link and the text [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1306291 here] - pointing to the painting makes more sense than pointing to the page of the myth ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:17, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. I was redirected from "Hylas and the Nymphs" to "Hylas", and didn't notice the bluelink painting title. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:37, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Second set of eyes and all that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:55, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: (edit conflict!) ''Dream Weavers'' stories generally have adequate title notes. I may be done with that anthology, and back to ''Eerie Book'' stories, almost all identified. But done for today as it's Friday and my newspapers subscription shuts its doors. Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:57, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Popular Romances of the West of England ==<br />
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This is a scan of the [https://archive.org/details/popularromanceso00huntuoft 1908] edition of this work, a newer one than [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281664 the 1865 first edition]. Here's a scan of [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32435023303233&view=1up&seq=9 volume 1 (first edition)] and [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044018072785&view=1up&seq=11 volume 2 (first edition)]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:31, 27 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: HI. I have notes on the source anthologies/collections for the 1898 ''Eerie Book'' anthology stories, and I plan to improve some of our Title and Publication records for those sources next week (as well as maybe "adjust" the story title records). Until then I don't have the screen size to look at online digital copies efficiently--and I don't have any historical newspapers subscription at all. <br />
: (on vacation for the US Thanksgiving holiday) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:29, 27 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Ferdinando Eboli ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to "Ferdinando Eboli". That story appears in a verified pub. As such, please coordinate with the approver (Rtrace). I would note that,, by ISFDB standards, ": A Novel" is not included on pub titles when given in the pub. ": A Tale" could be considered similarly, but I'll leave that up to the verifier. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:56, 16 December 2019 (EST)<br />
: That's OK. I did notify Rtrace, as "(pending approval)", and he may take approval for granted in this case. Evidently he is the editor responsible for adding variant story title "Ferdinando Eboli: A Tale" to the database for this work: {{t|98521}}, in its unique publication 1976 under the author's canonical name. I expect he will agree if/when I return to the point, which I postpone. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:14, 17 December 2019 (EST)<br />
: (growing list) Matters to re/raise with Rtrace concerning ''The Keepsake'' vols PV by reference to Google Books.<br />
: [1] publication date; [2] formats, prices; [3] Ferdinando Eboli subtitle p195; [4] Waverly => Waverley thruout; [5] Laird's Jock in the database, shd it be listed here? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:30, 17 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:58, 19 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Eerie Book ==<br />
: ''concerning 1898 anthology The Eerie Book, T{{t|1337014}}; [[User talk:Anniemod#The Eerie Book]] (2019-11)''<br />
Hello, <br />
<br />
I just updated the Eerie Book reprint. There was only 1 correction: "The Mysterious Horseman (excerpt)" is on page 127 and not 131 as TSI apparently reports. That also accounts for the 1 page story that seemed longer here. All stories notes updated as well so we are all good. And based on that, it does seem like a fascimile quite honestly - all the notes for the old edition apply to the new one... Happy New Year! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:05, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
: Happy New Year. It's no facsimile as the page numbers differ. <br />
: All things considered I infer that the entire book has been re-set to accommodate the title leaf as pp. 1/2 and Contents/Acknowledgments leaf as pp. 3/4. Right? <br />
: And you have reported the page numbers listed in the Contents, which are those of the half-title pages (unnumbered, one-side leaves included in the pagination) usually two leaves before the beginnings of the stories. You have three stories not preceded by illustrations (pp. 125, 129, 137, 155) and two illustrations (probably unnumbered one-side leaves) that face story text (pp. 131, 149). Is that right? <br />
: "Each story starts with a title page (with a short title), most stories then have a picture page (with <s>2 empty pages</s> [must be one empty page -Pwendt 0104; ok -0105] between the title page and the image and then the image and the actual title) and then a title on top of each of the stories."<br />
: If I understand correctly, you have "The Masque" beginning on numbered page 173, and it faces the "actual title" printed on the back of the illustration leaf (unnumbered page 172) facing the beginning of the story text. Contrast [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uc2.ark:/13960/t23b5ww3g?urlappend=%3Bseq=176 1898, pp. 170-71 (view at HathiTrust)]. Is your page 173 identical to 1898 page 171 except for the page number? Is the opposite page another story-title page? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:56, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:: All stories start on odd pages, Title pages and images are also always on odd pages. It is academic at this point if it is a facsimile or not. And the note is correct - there are two empty pages between the original title page of the story and the story itself except in the cases where there are no illustrations - the back of the title page and the back of the illustration page are always empty. Anyway - was just letting you know that the notes are now updated on all stories. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:03, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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:: PS: and yes, The text of The Masque starts on page 173 after having an illustration on page 171 and a title page on 169. Pages 170 and 172 are empty - thus the note for 2 empty pages when there is an illustration. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
::: OK, I understand now what you mean by "actual title"; that's the heading at the top of the page where the story begins. And 2 empty pages: one between the title page and the image and one between the image and the actual title.<br />
::: Does the book anywhere note 15 full-page illustrations (as the J. Shiells 1898 title page credits to WBM)?<br />
::: P.S. There are only 14 in the books, with a unique 15th b/w illustration on front cover(1898) or jacket(1981). I had supposed the U California print copy for 1898 images at HathiTrust to have been vandalized, but I now suppose not, and I plan later to complete the 1898 record incorporating that supposition. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:00, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: I've listed the 14 pages where the internal illustrations are and none of them matches the one on the cover. I looked for a 15th based on the old page but seems like it is indeed the cover. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:06, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Night Side of Nature; or, Ghosts and Ghost Seers ==<br />
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Hi, as we have variants of this title, we have just as many variants of the introduction title and of the conclusion title as these should match the title of the publication in which they are printed. Please do not try to simplify all to one title. And why did we have a canonical with date 1848, and was the 1848 edition left out of that?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:00, 16 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Concerning 5 MakeVariant for the work, which you aptly rejected, thanks for catching that. Probably I mixed up the two title ID numbers. It was my purpose to change every one FROM child of our probably spurious parent title TO child of our certainly correct 1st ed. title. I opened the 5 title records and went through the motions of copy-paste the correct title ID into every one; also the Note to Moderator into every one. But I messed up somewhere. <br />
: How can you ask me why we have a probably-spurious canonical title?<br />
: The actual 1848 edition was left out of that set of relationships because I submitted its removal this afternoon, and a few hours later [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4577097 moderator Biomassbob approved]. The Note to Moderator was clear enough. Except for special cases such as this one, however --last hour when (I suppose) you executed 5/6 of the fix as self-moderator-- its rare that any moderator will go further.<br />
: As a contributor I could not submit more than the single un-merge at once; not submit any new MakeVariant. No further until approval. And then at next stage I could submit only 5/6 of the new MakeVariant. (You rejected those 5 correctly, and executed 4 of them yourself (probably). I submitted the last one, this time correctly, moments ago.<br />
: Good night. I am 2 min overtime. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:03, 16 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: Everything should look alright now. I combined the two 1850 records (one the original, the other te Gutenberg facsimile) and added a link to the 1850 Redfield edition for that publication -not in the least to explain the hyphen that suddenly crept up in that publication -and which was long present in its facsimile. I also made both German introductions a variant of the original English one, etc. Please have a look.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:55, 16 February 2020 (EST)<br />
: I agree from memory: German Lang title records name translator so they are transl of Crowe essays presumably .not new essays for German Lang eds.<br />
: today Monday is USA national holiday and I am here without reasonable screen or keyboard today. So my look may be tuesday. --(from phone without tilde)<br />
::: For the 1850 US ed. P{{p|745806}}, it appears that you corrected the user Chavey titles of COLLECTION and all three ESSAY by merger with the corresponding titles that I created for the Gutenberg edition. And in the publication title you inserted one hyphen. I will submit PubUpdate that aligns the publication and collection titles completely {hyphen semicolon comma hyphen} ''and'' adds a note item, This is the source edition for Project Gutenberg Ebook #[linked]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:55, 18 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Our record of the 1st US ed., PV Chavey, continued: Some merge or variant of 1850 shortfiction titles that originate with this record have been executed by other editors this week. Three remain and I now submit their merge with (or submergence to) the correct titles. (drafted 3 hrs ago but they remain in the queue)--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:37, 19 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== [[Jules Verne Translations]] - wiki ==<br />
:: Related links: [[Talk:Jules Verne Translations]] ; [[User:Holmesd]] <br />
I noticed you'd made some updates to the wiki page. I've put it out in public domain for just such updates and appreciate your contributions. Can I make a request though - please don't bury comments in the source unless they pertain to what a wiki editor would want to see while editing that section. If the comment is related to a title, put it in the TITLE record, if it is a notation of work to be done - put it in your work list. I should put something on the philosophy and mechanics in the Discussion page. I've a few odd problems to sort out (e.g. Michel Verne is author but Jules Verne is listed) then I plan to go back through all the entries in the wiki to see if they are still synched to the database and note who owns copies of editions under unspecified translations. <br />
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By the way, the Daniels edition is documented [http://www.julesverne.ca/vernebooks/Sets/jvset-VincentParke.html here] and I hope to get all the Vincent editions done at some point. Having one as a model was as much as that tangent allowed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:24, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: It's good to see Edition d'Amiens documented with images. One of them is adequate to identify many of the books for which HathiTrust provodes interior views. <br />
:: Feel free to remove any hidden comments from that wiki code. I know how to relocate them in the page history if that is useful. <br />
:: I did have in mind that you would see any comments I would leave, as I hurried against deadline at my primary location Wed night, prior to five nights away. I will not contribute much before next Wed, only tidbits that are reasonably efficient without adequate screen display. [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:20, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
: By the way, Gutenberg may be a publisher, but their text should be sourced from an actual prior publication. As such, I would not expect to see any reference to Gutenberg in the wiki page, just as I would not expect to see a TITLE entry in ISFDB with only a Gutenberg entry or one as the earliest entry. Although I should probably use the word 'hope' rather than 'expect'. I'll probably end up making a list for Jules Verne and going back to expand these cases. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:24, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: In the next few days I will do the Gutenberg editions (6) of Baltimore Gun Club stories (3) in the sense of your optimistic hope. That is, complete Gutenberg ebook publication records and undertake parallel coverage of print editions, with ancillary updates.<br />
:: Maybe also Gutenberg editions of Captain Hatteras (3), and the Daniels ''Works of Jules Verne 3'' (contains Hatteras II and the two Moon stories, but does not appear to be a Gutenberg source edition). --21:55, 4 March 2020 (EST)<br />
::: You should probably check out [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Project_Gutenberg_titles_and_dates this] request on the Help forum before going too far with this. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:10, 4 March 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: Thanks. I'm broadly aware of the issues. Did read your yesterday update of publisher Project Gutenberg and considered here addressing the issue of your what you expect .ahem .and hope .optimistic .above.<br />
:::: I'm in USA EST so this is late for me. (no tilde here) --Pwendt 00:10 EST<br />
:::: PS I suspect that Gutenberg use of multiple source editions is not common .often .nowadays. --pwendt 00.19 EST<br />
::::: Sounds like a plan. I'll be verifying/fixing the wiki page vs. the actual titles (testing links, adding notes on number of 'parts', original sub-titles, verifying earliest pub dates). Looks like my biggest problem is all the Fiztroy editions I added. Once that's done (days to weeks) I'll make a list of verified pubs in 'unspecified' translations and get in touch with primary verifiers to see if they can/will update the translator / translation. Maybe then I'll try fixing the "Voyages extraordinaires" series. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:09, 5 March 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::: So you hope for every publication record to contain a statement that identifies the translator (including Unknown translator --and Unknown translation text, altho not for Gutenberg eds.)? ISFDB may be close to a consensus for that. I would support it, meaning that such statements will not be at the option of Primary Verifiers.<br />
:::::: Where the translator is not credited, I would support that any statement such as this, which identifies the grounds, must be accepted. "This is the translation by Doe, credited in its 1874 first publication [link to {p|}], relying on comparison of the first two paragraphs."<br />
:::::: Where Gutenberg does not contain a title page transcript, I have occasionally stated grounds for identifying a source edition, and I'll try to be more than occasional going forward. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:27, 5 March 2020 (EST)<br />
::::::: Ideally, for any PUB record for a translation, it should identify the translator (either because it's stated or by some other means). The associated TITLE record should repeat the information, and explain how to tell in the absence of a direct statement. Editors may feel that putting the PUB under the correct TITLE is sufficient but it does not allow someone to determine if a PUB has been correctly or erroneously placed - which is where I/we find ourselves today. There will always be a potential need for a 'bit-bucket' TITLE, for people entering PUBs without access to the necessary pages or information. Gutenberg PUBs should follow the same rule. My expectation for Gutenberg's never being the <u>oldest</u> PUB is simply because the older edition which it is based on should also be in the database. I have been cleaning up the Jules Verne as best I can, digging out first editions of known translations, standardizing the text in the TITLE entries, chasing down anomalies and creating a single huge cross-reference (wiki). To whatever extent you're willing to help sort this out, I thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:41, 5 March 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Deletion of container titles ==<br />
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Hi, better unmerge a title from a cannonical, than deleting a container title. If you change the publiction title and unmerge afterwards you have created the new title record with the new name automatically.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:44, 18 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
: So you suggest • PubUpdate that includes change of the title field, and let the Container title alone for now (Note to Moderator such as "later handle Title record"). • After the Pubdate is approved, Unmerge. • After the Unmerge is approved (which creates a Title record named for the unmerged Publication), MakeVariant.<br />
: Right?<br />
: And the Container may be a NOVEL such as ''The Paradise of the North'' (with subtitle sometimes).<br />
: For a CHAPBOOK (routinely, whose title should match the contained SHORTFICTION title), the second and third steps would be Unmerge (2) and MakeVariant (2), one each for the CHAPBOOK and SHORTFICTION. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:10, 18 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wonderful History of Peter Schlemihl ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?767507 This] does not look long enough to be a novel and we have quite a lot of editions of it as a short fiction: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1566992 here]. Which will make this whole book a collection (more than one story so cannot be a chapbook). Let me know if you want me to fix it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:46, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't recall whether a re-class from NOVEL has been executed in the database recently, as I have largely missed much of the last week as a contributor. I added several publs this season. I do call it a novella in all notes, most of which are now offline.<br />
: Please accept all submissions as CHAPBOOK --no COLLECTION nor ANTHOLOGY-- despite that most publs include some "short story" contents by the primary author and others --fictitious essays, etc, by the author and one or more editors. That is, same as dozens of editions currently indb.<br />
: I'm not sure what you can do about correction of a submitted NOVEL (and now another one) as CHAPBOOK containing novella. One priority for me is to lose little or no source code, as some is composed with pains online. <br />
: Another New Novel submission based on the same work is in the queue. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:11, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I fixed this one to a chapbook (for now... if the other poems/stories are technically inside, it is fine as a chapbook) :) I also approved and fixed the other one as well. See if anything else needs fixing. It may be a good idea to check the type when you are returning to a project :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:41, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks for the fix. Yes, it's best to check type when returning to a work, and also when adding a new work :--)<br />
::: What do you mean, "other poems/stories are technically inside"?<br />
::: (Truncate and re-try hours later.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:36, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Argh. I was thinking of another chapbook earlier that had poems inside of the main novella but listed on their own for indexing. Ignore that part. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:42, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wreck of the Titan ==<br />
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Please remember that we credit based on the title page and not based on the cover. Neither edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2713213 here] (the 2020 reprints) have the subtitle on their title page (Look inside is pretty helpful on that). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:22, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
: They do display the subtitle on the title page, as well as the front cover. The interior title page (sometimes called half-title, but it follows the title page and other front material). What you have in mind is that as a single-story collection, rather than a novel, we may (and frequently do) create CHAPBOOK and novella SHORTFICTION records with different titles.<br />
: While that is permitted, it's something that some moderators do not approve. Shall I resubmit PubUpdates with subtitle added to the publication and CHAPBOOK alone, and leave the novella without the subtitle? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:32, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: No, I am not. Please show me where do you see the subtitle on a title page - because ANY internal page I see misses it - particularly obvious on the kindle book. We go by title page, not by cover. This subtitle is not printed anywhere inside of the book - so it does not make it on our title. If you disagree, feel free to open a discussion on R&S. Please do not resubmit incorrect corrections. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:44, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Never mind - apparently I need coffee or a better mouse. I will fix them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:46, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A Story of the Stone Age ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4627292 this one] - is that story a novella or a novelette? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:16, 21 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Novella, as Project Gutenberg text of 22730 words inclg headings. ([http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27365/27365-h/27365-h.htm#Page_59 Ebook #27365], Tales of Space and Time, by Herbert George Wells) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:11, 21 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! I fixed the 2 novelettes and approved the variant and added an approximate length note :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:19, 21 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) After [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4627020 this edit], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57475 A Story of the Stone Age] now shows up on the cleanup report 'Title Dates after Publication Dates'. The note says it was first published under this title November 1927, but the first 6 publications (3x Tales of Space and Time and 3x The Short Stories of H. G. Wells) have publication dates before this date. Which is true? Thanks for checking. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 09:15, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks. Singular title "A Story", revised from "Stories", appears in the 1899-dated Doubleday & McClure collection ([https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015030719671?urlappend=%3Bseq=11 Contents list] viewed at HathiTrust). The Harper collection is 1900-dated.<br />
: (I haven't read the novella, or 5 stories, and don't know whether it/they should be considered a novella here, rather than a subcollection of 5 stories. Wells calls "A Story" and "A Story" (see Contents list), "two series of linked incidents" in Introduction to a 1911 collection.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:45, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::That means I can change the date to 1899-00-00 and add a note about first publication in the Doubleday & McClure collection? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:13, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Hi, Willem. I have submitted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4628649 TitleUpdate] as I would do it, with note "(best hold for Willem H.)" I am working on the collection, publications 1899/1900 and Project Gutenberg; my TitleUpdate notes, in advance, "Concerning the stated and actual publication dates, see the collection record." <br />
::: Let me tell you what I know. You tell me, or show me, how you would revise the variant-story-Title record on these points.<br />
::: From newspaper/magazine sources November/December 1899: Certainly the UK edition (Harper & Brothers, 1900-dated) was published before the US (Doubleday & McClure, 1899-dated). Early November. I plan to expand the two publication records as 1900 (Harper, with note of its November 1899 publication) and 1899-11 (D & McC, with note that the source for November is only a listing as received by 1899-11-30). <br />
::: There are multiple UK reviews in Saturday weeklies -11-11 and numerous reviews -11-11 to -12-02. (Known US reviews in daily newspapers -12-03 and -12-16.) Harper/UK advertisements of new/forthcoming books during October note this one "In the Press". 1899-11-04 advertisement notes "Ready This Week". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:05, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Almost exactly as I would have done it. Thanks! and approved. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:15, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Time Machine: An Invention: Authoritative Text, Backgrounds and Contexts, Criticism ==<br />
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Are you sure that the title page of the NOVEL (not the full book) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327847 here] is really " The Time Machine: An Invention: Authoritative Text, Backgrounds and Contexts, Criticism" and not "The Time Machine: An Invention: Authoritative Text" or "The Time Machine: An Invention" or "The Time Machine"? I have no trouble with the book title but in none of the Nortons I have, the text of the novel itself has the complete title of the book on its first/title page. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
: (I'm not sure what I submitted. I don't recall that I did change the title of the novel Title; I may have done so because I understand that our rules require it, so long as we book The Time Machine as a novel --and the publication as a novel, because it contains no other novel.)<br />
: On the contrary, I doubt that the work appears with the long title inside the book. However, for publications that we classify as novels, we require a match of publication title and work title. So a book like Annotated Wizard of Oz, Definitive Frankenstein, and so on --supposing we book the main work as a novel-- requires a new and matching NOVEL title record. We always ignore the interior title page, or heading, of the one work in the novel publication that we classify as a novel. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:35, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Not if the title page does not carry the matching title - and especially in cases with subtitles. We see that a lot more with NON-FICTION where US and UK tend to use different subtitles - so we have two ways to handle - subtitle-less title with pub titles having their subtitles or variants (I vastly prefer the first approach...). In this case, the "we record as on the title page" comes into play -- and because it will differ only by subtitle, it is not even a weird case. Annotated and Definitive are different because the title is not changed with a subtitle. Differences because of subtitles does not even register for the "different pub and title" report exactly for that reason. My gut feeling here is that we can drop the subtitle on the novel to match what is on the title page and we are good to go but let me think a bit more on that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:56, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Considering the reported Contents titles and the publisher description at Amazon, the novel should be presented in the book as "The Text of <i>The Time Machine</i>". More completely, pp ix-x should be in the arabic numbered pagespan (pages -1 and 0) with the preceding leaf a title page for the first main section of the book as "Authoritative Text". That is, in the format of our publication record (from the previous contributor, perhaps Fixer's assistant, modified by me):<br />
:: -3 — Authoritative Text [title page, first main section]<br />
:: -1 - A Note on the Text [essay by Arata under this heading]<br />
:: 1 - The Text of The Time Machine [novel by Wells begins under this heading, or following this interior title page for the novel]<br />
::: The cited WorldCat record [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/181139351 OCLC: 181139351] provides an ample Contents list, perhaps from the book rather than pre-publication. While the actual pagination shows that "A Note on the Text" and "The Text of ''The Time Machine''" are not clearly presented as the two sections in the first major section Authoritative Text, nevertheless "The Text of ''The Time Machine''" is my best guess for the interior name of the text of the novel. (Certainly I expected that any heading for the novel would include "An Invention", but I now guess that it doesn't.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:58, 30 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: I would just make it "The Time Machine" quite honestly. We skip things like "A Novel" and so on. "The Text of" goes into the same category for me. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:44, 1 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Stolen Bacillus and Other Incidents ==<br />
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Hello. Just checking that you presume March 1896, instead of the 1986 currently in the notes of your submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4636649 here]? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:40, 4 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Good catch. I will restrain the urge to say a lot and say only a little. That is one of the User:Bluesman notes. I skimmed but didn't read.<br />
: Maybe more than a little. The cited WorldCat record notes "... at end dated March 1896." I would have supposed that at least so much would have beeen transferred to ISFDB by copy-paste, but I would have supposed wrong. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:44, 4 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for confirming :) I've accepted, and leave it to you to update the notes as you see fit ! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:19, 4 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Picture of Dorian Gray - Gold Mark symbol? ==<br />
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Hello. I've put your submission on hold for a moment, as I've posted a question over at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#German_Gold_Mark_standard_symbol.3F Rules and Standards Discussion] on which symbol to use for the Gold Mark. Thanks for your patience, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:29, 5 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: OK. I will refrain from more such. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:03, 5 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. I'll proceed with ℳ1.60 and ℳ3.20; also replace M with ℳ where I see it in use for pre-war Tauchnitz Editions. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:04, 8 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== LCCN formats ==<br />
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Both the long (07004758) and the short (07-4758) formats lead to the same place on LCCN so we do not enforce the usage of one over the other. Swapping for the one you prefer (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?569774 here] may lead to someone swapping in the other direction -- so careful with that. I approved it because of all the other changes but heads up - especially in books with verifiers (as this one had none, I just approved it) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:06, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Ok. I know from Rtrace that he entered leading zeroes in field External IDs by mistake for a while, before learning that that field handles the hyphen just as manual hyperlinks do. But I don't know that of anyone else. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:17, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Red Room and Other Stories ==<br />
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I removed all without page numbers from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359854 here] as per your note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4659809 here] - it would have caused quite a lot of alerts in the cleanup reports if I had left it this way. While this worked, in case you need 22 items, adding that many and then cleaning may not be the best way to do things - importing only the correct essays and stories would have made more sense - and would have been less likely to have been forgotten downstream. I think it is all cleaned up now but take another look again anyway. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:27, 24 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Excerpts naming ==<br />
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I approved your rename of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?97318 this one] so I can catch the note (it was reject + edit or approve + edit so it did not matter). When the excerpt has its own name, we add the notes of what it is an excerpt of in the notes, not in the title. You can add them both in the title note and the publication note if you want to but the title of the record should be as close to "as is" as we can. We don't even add the word excerpt if the excerpt has its own name. Thanks![[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:17, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: "(excerpt)" alone should of course mean that the name is unchanged --although that sensible convention is commonly breached. The convention you note is either a new one or another that is commonly breached.<br />
: If I think clearly at this late hour, on the convention you describe all 447 titles that contain "(excerpt from" and all 18 that contain "(extract from" are violations. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:04, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: It is an old rule - how strict we enforce it is a different story... We generally do not add any embellishments/disambiguations to a title unless the title as printed is confusing or unclear - thus adding excerpt on the ones where the title match or adding the book name on Introductions and adding part x of y on serials. In the cases where the name is unique, we go by what the book says. <br />
:: Not necessarily for the 447+18 titles - if the title page of the story in the book has the words "excerpt of...", the record here will have it as well. A lot of books note this on the contents/title pages so chances are that a lot of these are actually in policy. But yes - some will be against the rules. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:29, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: If the story heading (or title page in some cases, Contents list in some cases) is "Magic Circle (excerpt)" or "Magic Mirror (abridged)" then our title should use capital E or A. <br />
:::: Technically - yes. But we have a lot of capitalization issues in the DB :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: You suggest to me another class of listings that is on my someday list (ask about this someday). Where a listing/heading is such as "''from'' Magic Circle" or "excerpt from ''Magic Circle''" or "Extract of 'Magic Circle'" --rather than appended parentheses-- do we now recommend "Magic Circle (excerpt)"? If so then story titles that begin with lowercase "from" are deprecated, to be replaced someday? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:14, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: If the book uses a specific name, we use that name. <br />
:::: The exact section from the help page relevant here is "If the excerpt has a different title that the work from which it is excerpted, use that title. Otherwise, use the title of the excerpted work, but add " (excerpt)" to the end; e.g. "A Feast for Crows (excerpt)".". So if the title in the book is "Extract of 'Magic Circle'", we use that. If the title in the book is 'Magic Circle', then we add (excerpt). Same rule as with Introductions - you add the book name only if the generic title is used. If the book has the title as "Introduction: Some Other Text", we keep the title as is. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: And yeah - technically a story name cannot start with a small letter... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Author language ==<br />
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When you find a pseudonym like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?312712 this one], it will be a good idea to also add the language to the pseudonym to match its parent. I did it here but thought I should mention it. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:33, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Yes you should. I wasn't aware that we complete any field but "Directory Entry". Was English entered by default as my default language? or the language of the work in which illustration as by Alvin-Correa was published? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:54, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep - if your default language is English and you save the page, English is assigned. In this case as you just did a pseudonym and never saved the page, it had no language - so I just added it. It was not wrongly set - it was just empty. A few years ago we went through figuring out the languages of every title in the DB -- we still have a lot of authors with no language - so I tend to try to set them when I land on one without. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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COVERART by this artist Henrique Alvim Corrêa {{a|205286}}:<br />
: For this artist we now have 8? COVERART --reporting use of 4? different 1906 interior illustrations on 21st century book covers-- now booked as variants of the original INTERIORART (multiple illustrations of 1906 French-language The War of the Worlds). If I recall correctly, that relation should be stated in COVERART notes, with one parent COVERART for each of the distinct original interior illustrations used on a cover, date of the earliest known use on a cover (regardless whether that earliest book is an edition of The War of the Worlds; one of the earliest uses is not).<br />
: If I understand correctly, it's necessary to break each of these variant relations as a first step (top half of "Make Variant Title"), only later as a second step (second Make Variant Title) create new parent COVERART as by Henrique Alvim Corrêa where appropriate. '''So I submit a batch of "break variant", as it were.'''<br />
: --probably done for the day, as it's late here and I need to eat. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:54, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I need to reread the first part of the question later because I am not sure I get it. Interiorart CAN be a parent if this is what was used first. <br />
:: However, you do not need to first break a variant when changing parents - the moment you submit a new makeVariant, it will replace the old value so you do not need to remove first. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Macmillan Company ==<br />
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Hello. I have some difficulty parsing your updated notes on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?27541 The Macmillan Company].<br />
*The notes now state, in part, ''June 1896 to mid-20th century''. This seems to contradict the note ''The Macmillan Company, ... now carried on by Macmillan & Co ... The Independent ... (1896-02-28)'' which to me means to say that The Macmillan Company as name ceased to exist in 1896, and thus, in fact, did '''not''' carry on till mid-20th century.<br />
: No, 'The MacMillan Company' is just now incorporated in New York. That report date is 1896-05-28 (in some New York publication 'The Independent', I am sure, not the famous newspaper 'The Independent'). I gloss over unknown daily details and suppose that The Macmillan Company, newly incorporated in New York probably sometime late May 1896, should be the publisher of record from June 1896.<br />
*The statement '' ...report macmillan and Co. for US editions published by the Macmillans to 1896.'' Does that mean to say that for US editions published by the Macmillans ''''after'''' 1896 have to be reported under Macmillan and Co.?<br />
Thanks for clarifying. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:53, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: No, it means through May 1896, glossing over the unknown daily details.<br />
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: I have considered a thorough re-write of publisher Notes for The Macmillan Company (US, from May/June 1896) and Macmillan and Co. (unitary to May/Jun 1896). The old notes by the one who shouts 'DO NOT MERGE' have become less relevant, and it may be possible to eliminate these two, for the two earlier of four Macmillan publisher names that have been used heavily. Your note makes me think the time to rewrite is now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:53, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I don't have much time Tuesdays. I expect I will submit no more, and maybe less, than continuation on the four works whose publication records you approved just before this publisher update. --<br />
::: Please do! You're much more knowledgeable than I in these things :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 00:58, 10 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: I will try improve the situation today; far short of completion, or what I had hoped in early June, because it's so complicated. Unfortunately there is no consistent practice such as: name New York first on the title page if the printer is in the United States.<br />
:::: As I also vowed to Rtrace, i need to get back to other incomplete work here, and withdraw from focus on century old Macmillan publications, after the Ides of June [today, if that's Greek to you]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:14, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of the Masque ==<br />
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In Your submitted collection [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?778464 here] there is a link "title page" that leads to nothing. Can You please make a correction? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 03:44, 14 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Submitted. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:50, 14 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: HI. I hope you, or we, are not generally using the new "Webpages" field to replace curated links in the Notes. Is this a one-time thing or a general effort? (I have also asked moderator Rtrace about this.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:35, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: It is still the same link though - it is not a generic link to the site. Or is your complaint that it is not embedded anymore? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:53, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: [1] It's a generic linkname "Webpages" and [1b] buried in the top part of the page (albeit blue ink helps). A meaningful linkname "Title page view" would be acceptable there, altho the note should then be revised, eg "title page" => "title page (above)"<br />
::: [2] It removes context --altho I don't know that would be done generally.<br />
::: (Commonly I do link the title page simply, as Zapp zapped here. Commonly the note is substantial, as title page: "Lawrence and Bullen". I don't know why I didn't say that here, as I was at work (not yet complete) unifying our use of publisher name "Lawrence & Bullen".) <br />
::: [0] It is a Permanent Link, a redirect to the babel address of the title page image. ISFDB should always use URL promoted as Permanent, eh? So we should always link hdl.handle.net rather than babel.hathitrust.org right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:12, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: '''P.S.''' Annie or Zapp. I submitted an update that restores and amplifies the Note; also does preserve the use of the Webpages field (with a Permanent Link as its URL value)--for those who may be harvesting or otherwise relying auto-maton-ically on its use. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:15, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: So we have a few different problems here:<br />
::::* The link was not just moved but replaced. That you will need to take up with Zapp - he is usually good at just moving links so not sure what happened here. Chances are that we have a Europe/US thing going on again and there was a problem with the other link from his side?<br />
::::* The notes left behind were not adjusted for the moved link -- that I am with you on -- if a link/ID is moved, the notes around it need to be adjusted so the flow and meaning of the notes is not lost. However - your notes, while very detailed, can be extremely hard to parse and understand sometimes (even when one is used to them) so chances are that people do not see some links as vital to the structure - especially when they were on their own on a line. Which may explain what happened here.<br />
:::: Part of why we have the webpages on publications now is to minimize the links (and heavy html) in notes and to make it easier for non-technical editors to edit - you may be comfortable with html but not everyone is. :) Some links will need to stay (because they illustrate a point and do not really work as a link for the whole publication) but a link to a version of the publication certainly belongs to the links (even if you point just to the title page, it is effectively a link to the complete text). <br />
:::: The Web Pages collect all kinds of links - the same way the ones on the author level does -- it can be full text reproductions, it can be sources which do not have external IDs, it can be the publisher page for the book, it can be anything else. If you have a proposal to allow each link to also have a "label", propose it over in the Community forum... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:30, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::: (after edit conflict) I believe the current practice is to move the URLs linking to data sources from the notes into the Webpages multifield, when encountered (without altering the notes' meaning, of course, and clearly referring to the webpages field - akin to what you're proposing ie ''see title page (above)'', or similar). I do use it myself because I find it very handy - all links in the same place, not cluttering the notes. The tooltip help also says ''URL of a web site about this publication'' (not the work), so I think the link -does- belong there. I agree that the update by Zapp could be more precise, but as far as I'm concerned, and apart from that minor hiccup, not wrong. Now because English is not my mother tongue I may have misunderstood, but to me al this means the webpages field could/should be used to include all kinds of links to information about this particular publication. If you feel we're moving in the wrong direction with this field, it might be best to perhaps start a discussion over at the Community Portal (or R&S) to clarify its use? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:35, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Ugh, should have read Annie's reply firts - it looks I'm rehashing her arguments... [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:36, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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* Title page is always so important here (officially) --and images of commonly important facing page and verso ("copyright page") routinely easy to access from a title page image-- that it's hard to understand why we would dump a link to that one into the potpourri.<br />
: You are looking at it in the reverse. It is not that we want to dump it in the mix of other links; it is that when it is inside of the notes, it is very very hard for non-technical editors to fix anything even when they have a correction. If you want the title pages to be specifially linked somewhere (when available), propose that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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* Are we now using the publication Webpages field for linking to Project Gutenberg Ebooks (either top pages, as in the link that is buried by default down in the left margin of Publication view, or HTML views directly)? I expect that that would be a great help to casual users of the site, as opposed to we accomplished editors in our occasional visits as users. No doubt Amazon would be useful to many casual users too, and newer editors. <br />
: '''No because Project Gutenberg books are considered separate publications in the DB - so linking them from the hc book is simply wrong.''' They get automatically linked from the left menu when you go to their respective publications. Archive.org and similar pure digitization non-OCR projects are a different matter - those are linked from the publication page indeed as they give you the "book" and not just the text. Feel free to reopen the discussion on Gutenberg if you want... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: (emphasis added) No, no, I mean use the new "Webpages" field, in our publication record of the Gutenberg ebook, rather than rely on a link named "Project Gutenberg" that is buried down in the left margin of the browser window, outside of the publication records display. As we display Amazon links that generated by value of ISBN field, rather than ASIN field, in the left margin outside of the browser window. <br />
:: Thanks for your replies. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:40, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Ah, sorry, apparently I misread or misunderstood the question. No - the old rules apply - if we already have a link on the left side deriving from the same value or as an external ID, we do not add it to the web pages as well. We need to make these links on the left more prominent especially for Gutenberg books but... not sure how and where to stick them. <br />
::: The Amazon left side links uses an ASIN link to Amazon actually - via the ISBN. So for all 978- ISBNs it works as a charm; so it does for any paper book with ISBN10. The newer books with ISBN-13 starting with 979? Not so much - and for them instead of ISBN10 as an ASIN (which cannot be calculate), Amazon adds B* ASINS - so we record these as ASIN. :) And the ebooks ISBN links don't lead where you want them to. So if Amazon issues an ASIN starting with B, we record that separately, regardless if there is an ISBN; if it does not, then the ASIN is the same as ISBN10 so we have that covered. Always fun when our links change their behaviour... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:51, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
(aside) I wonder whether this was my first edit conflict at "home"? I haven't had much traffic here since Mhhutchins completed the mentoring. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:09, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I suspect it has more to do with most editors being too scared of your notes to edit them :) More seriously though - you tend to work in areas that almost noone else touches and you tend to clean your links -- which rarely leaves work for someone else on these records. I had been here a few times for clarifications but most of the times your notes are clean enough. It is a community project and the only way for it to work is to discuss things. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
Sorry, I noticed this discussion not earlier as now. My English not so fluent to understand all of Your writings exactly. But I didn't want to upset anybody. Thinking about I should have put the webpage link redirecting to the beginning of the scan [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t1pg1wv9s&view=1up&seq=1 here] since the title page was alredy linked in notes. I guess it is useful to find a scanned publication in total using this link or to have an alternative external ID there when there is no one preset. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 15:36, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Hi Zapp. OK. AnnieMod and MagicUnk provided me good explanations. I have a followup at your page. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 19 June 2020 (EDT) ... Done. <br />
:: Concerning the '''link to title page image in Notes''' [1] Sometimes I do fashion that as "-- <u>title page</u>" alone on one line. Probably I shouldn't, because that may invite removal. For the 1st ed. ''Tales of the Masque'' P{{p|778464}}, since your first visit I have extended that line with "red and black, as "Lawrence and Bullen" (commonly '&') with Bull logo". [2] If you do remove the link, it's best to leave unlinked text in the Notes with instruction, such as "title page (linked above)", rather than to delete the former linkname. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Laurence Alma Tadema ==<br />
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{{A|Laurence Alma-Tadema}} currently contains no credits under that name (with the dash). Will you be adding any? If not, instead of establishing an alternate name for {{A|Laurence Alma Tadema}} (without the dash), I will make that the canonical name. The canonical name should a form that was published. The "true" name would go into the legal name field. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:49, 21 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I composed, then deleted, a long Note to Moderator --MagicUnk anticipated-- either here, or AuthorUpdate, or when submitting the publication Note for the 2015 ebook P{{p|779904}} (see the last bullet point).<br />
: It occurs to me that I should check (? Contento and/or Locus) for the three 2010s publications. ...<br />
: JLT, I think you should hold overnight. FWIW below is what I composed/drafted early this hour :--) before moving up here. ('FWIW' doesn't mean you need to read it.) I need exercise and food break, maybe can't get back today (Sunday here). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:22, 21 June 2020 (EDT) <br />
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: I consider Laurence Alma Tadema the better choice. Certainly she <br />
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: I don't know that Alma-Tadema is a legal name, only that it is the canonical name of the writer here and there, and the canonical name of her father the visual artist here and there. Of course our Legal Name field is full of such.<br />
: I do not have a confirmed publication as by Laurence Alma-Tadema. Nor do we/I have a confirmed publication as by "L. Alma-Tadema", whose report I believe spurious. Among 5 publications of the work/story in 5 publications of the 1886 anthology, this is the only confirmed name-as-credited. <br />
: Publication as Laurence Alma-Tadema is not unlikely in the three 2010s publications of the anthology by Leonaur Ltd. Unfortunately the two ISBN are not found at WorldCat and "Look inside" the 2015 ebook does not resolve<br />
* '''"The Contents list comprises linked story titles and story section numbers, no author names. There is no opening essay. Editor Henry Norman, and authors of the opening poem and first story, are credited here as in the 1886 US edition. There may be differences elsewhere."'''<br />
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::I merged them together under {{A|Laurence Alma Tadema}}. If you find publications with alternate credits, we can revisit. But for now, we will make due based on the credits we have in the database at the moment. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:40, 22 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Good! I check in 24 hours later to ask you to go ahead.<br />
::: I much prefer "Laurence Alma Tadema" myself, but that would be true even if 2010s publishers were hyphenating that name. And even if "L. Alma-Tadema" were confirmed genuine rather than spurious. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:58, 22 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Note to self ==<br />
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created 2022-03-23 23:46 [EDT]<br />
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Exceptionally complex "Note [singular] to self" : cut-paste as new [[User:Pwendt/comeback]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:08, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Readers union HTML issue ==<br />
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Hi. I approved the submissions & saw the problem but left it for the morning to figure out when less tired. Fixed now[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?50412]. Noted solution on moderator board, simple but not immediately obvious.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 11:30, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Book of Lamps and Banners ==<br />
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I don't see that you are changing anything with this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5303231 submission]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:57, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: The queue is a bit long. I corrected some UK publ from Mulholland Books / Little, Brown and Company but one PVerified book was a leftover. In reply to my notice (another problem too) verifier merged the publishers, he explains [[User:Willem H.#The Revisionists]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:22, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I understand, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:42, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kiki Strike books ==<br />
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"Kiki Strike" is the series, so while it may appear on the title page, it's not actually part of the title. It's not uncommon to include the series title on the title page with the book title. I've rejected these submissions: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337912 The Empress's Tomb] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337933 Inside the Shadow City]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:42, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Book 2 ''The Empress's Tomb'' in UK softcover, I improved and resubmitted, now in the queue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5348988]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:37, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Same for Book 1 ''Inside the Shadow City'' in US softcover reissue, now in the queue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350597]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:17, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Eerie Book (2) ==<br />
: ''directly concerning the 1981 Castle Books edition''; cf. [[#The Eerie Book]]<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?487344; I replaced the cover that I believe you added because it's clearly the same cover, but the one I used was less faded and didn't have a time stamp on the bottom. Then a PV wrote an extra note today about the "showed" cover (I think they meant "shown") possibly not being the correct cover because it was added post-PV. So can you verify it's the same (which it clearly is by looking at it) so that note can be removed? --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:05, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Hi. 2020 PV Anniemod (and moderator for my work on the 1898 edition, who cooperated on the title records) has pursued the matter further. Related: I revised the heading and inserted a cross-reference, above.<br />
: Do you have Internet Archive subscription to make use of publication links for full interior views of all(?) books at Archive.org? <br />
: In effect, I am away for ten days, thru this weekend.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:13, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Don't bother; it's a dumb discussion about some supposed cover color difference which doesn't actually exist. The important thing is I've added a link to the Archive's copy of the 1981 reprint edition, because the Archive's copies of the original 1898 edition have the library stamp hole-punched through most of the illustrations, making them useless for printing out, while the reprint's illustrations are untouched. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:04, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Doll Who Came Alive ==<br />
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You wrote extensive notes for this book in 2017, for 1942 and 1972 editions, with a lot of questions about dates and such, and I just saw that someone uploaded a copy to Archive.org in 2020, https://archive.org/details/dollwhocamealive0000treg, which is a 4th printing/impression, in case that helps you to clear up any questions and add/fix info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:10, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks! Now what is that once-used Archive.org password? :--( <br />
: Linknotes to Self: Editor {{a|Elizabeth Yates}} <br />
: Editions (1st pr) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?612880 as 1942-09-17] (no image) (LO, Kirkus, newspapers, ABEbooks w/images) <br />
: 2nd ed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?612914 as 1972-08] (front cover) (LO, Kirkus[again], Amazon --dnf newspapers)<br />
: Archive.org [https://archive.org/details/dollwhocamealive0000treg/page/n1/mode/2up 1942 ed, 4th printing] i1 front jacket [signed 'NSU'] w/flap; i83 back jacket<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:51, 26 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== An Enemy at Green Knowe ==<br />
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Hi Pwendt<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5390921 submission] to clone this book to add a new publication record for a 1977-05-31 Puffin printing. There is already an existing 1977 Puffin [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260813 publication record], that seems like it may be the record you are attempting to add. Do you have evidence that Puffin did two printings in 1977? If not, you should update the existing record rather than create a new one. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:13, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Ron, you are right. 1977 Puffin update is now in the queue as 5394619 5394620 (two).<br />
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== Title and publication date alignment ==<br />
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Just a reminder. Don't forget that when you update the publication date, you also have to submit the update of the title dates in the Contents section accordingly. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:32, 31 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Did I overlook some Publication Update that predates one of its Title records? That would have been my oversight. <br />
: I suppose we continue to accept title date such as 1968-00-00 with publication date such as 1968-09-16. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:34, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Missing country ==<br />
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Just a gentle reminder that we are an international site so "Raised in Rochester, New York" should be "Raised in Rochester, New York, USA" :) I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5642 here] but do not forget to add the country when adding cities and other locations. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:10, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Is that reasonable even for New York and England?<br />
: New York City and London are common on our publisher pages, without even identifying New York and England. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:20, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: There are a lot of Londons [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_(disambiguation) out there]. There are also quite a lot of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York#Places New Yorks]. If we allow an exception for one language/2 countries, we will need to do it for others as well and it will end up in a convoluted set of rules. So let's keep it simple and not make exceptions and just always list the country. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:34, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: PS: Just because the practice is not always followed (especially in the past) does not mean that we cannot do better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:35, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dolittle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295530; I added/fixed stuff for this recently; it was just approved and then the mod wrote me to say that the note about corrupt record should be removed now, but since it seems you're the one that wrote it I'll leave it up to you to decide whether to do that, since I'm not sure what it means or whether it's still relevant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:31, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: By the way, it's "Dolittle" as in Doctor, Do Little.<br />
: Thanks, I will do that. From the record I see that you corrected imprint, page count, caps & spelling; not price. Newly you provided Image, Webpage, month from t.p. verso (as you Noted), and *US price from front cover* (Image). Is that right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:40, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: That's right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:14, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Literary Wonderlands ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5461654; I made some minor fixes and added the Archive link, which may help you flesh out your work on this book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:34, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== B Magical ==<br />
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I'm holding your 6 submissions re: the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29524 B Magical] series. I understand what you want to do. The most efficient way is as follows.<br />
# Make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?147723 Lexi Connor] an alternate name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?126269 Julie Berry].<br />
# These two submissions are fine [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5450459 The Chocolate Meltdown] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5450467 The Superstar Sister].<br />
# Cancel the fours submissions breaking the variant relationship in the other four titles. Just edit each of the existing parent titles. Change the author to Julie Berry & correct the title.<br />
If we break the variants as you submitted, we will need to delete the 4 empty parent title records and then create four new parent titles. Does this make sense? If you agree, do step 1 and 3, post here and I will process all seven edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:46, 22 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: But we need 10 variant titles as by Lexi Connor, right? Six under the canonical-title and four under alt-titles. The six and the four all need to be variants, as by Lexi Connor, of NOVEL parents by Julie Berry that have no publications. <br />
: That is, I am following the previous approach, without questioning it. You suggest that previous editors should not have created parents with <i>Spelling B</i> book titles, unless willing to do the work of adding those presumable first editions to the database? (I didn't notice last fortnight that we have 4 of 10 NOVEL records with no publications in the database; simply undertook to make Julie Berry parents of all 10 Lexi Connor title records.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:57, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Three points --not aligned with your three steps, so I make them unnumbered bullet items.<br />
:* Procedure for adding titles from Amazon. Perhaps it's proper with a work that is new at ISFDB --given earlier publication under a known different title (I presume that was known by our Amazon team member, and I haven't yet confirmed the fact of <i>Spelling B</i> publication)-- the publication reported by Amazon should be added under its publication title and date; and a parent should be created under the known 1st ed. data --presuming that that will be added later.<br />
::* Now I have located WorldCat records of stories #1-4 under original titles ''Spelling B ...'' (OCLC 277204477 , 501300482 , 560344104 , 794059493 as 4 print books; beside 4 ebooks).<br />
::* Whatever the usual procedure[*], I think it's reasonable here to make ''The Missing Magic'' and other short titles canonical (as by Julie Berry, with 1st ed. publication dates as title dates, of course). Essentially, the original series name was replaced after issue of 4 stories thus. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:14, 23 October 2022 (EDT) <br />
:* On the technical point: I know revision of parent title from ID ###1 to ###2 (a different parent) or to 0 (no parent; not a child). Is it possible using only the bottom half of the Make Variant screen (Option 2 : If the parent title does not exist, enter the title information below to create it.) to replace an existing variant relation at once?<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5450467 The Superstar Sister] isn't fine. It makes "2nd of several" a publication Note; should be Note to Moderator.<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:52, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Take a look at the result after I processed the seven edits outlined above. I didn't edit the title field as you stated they were correct (hasty assumption on my part). I simply changed the author in the parent titles to the canonical name. Isn't the result what you were aiming for? I left the four variant submissions on hold for you to cancel. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:37, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: No, I was taking the first step toward 16 NOVEL records: 6 as by JB with no publications; and the original 10 as by LC (created 2011 by Mhhutchins) as variants of the 6. Step zero, make variants of all 6 Mhh parent records, could not be submitted while those were parents. <br />
:::: But I do see your point. And the 10 NOVEL records now in the database, after your session-10-23, do match 10 of my 16 targets. Your implied advice: ADD the 1st ed. stories (''Spelling B ...'' as by Lexi Connor) as 4 new NOVEL submissions; later make them variants as appropriate. Until then --if and when you get around to adding them as Publications-- we don't need (and perhaps avoid by policy) such variant Titles without publications. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:39, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: As you continue to work on these, you might find [https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%28lexi%20connor%29 this] useful. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:46, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Canceled the quartet. Suggestion noted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:55, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
(unindent)John, With reference to the previews at archive.org, just now I added (submissions 5465337-40) 1st ed., 1st printings of books 1-4 as New Novels ''Spelling B ...'' by Lexi Connor. Later I will proofread comparatively; make variants; consider parent Titles annotation and redate.<br />
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Do you generally find such scans by site search at archive.org? Or by another route? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:10, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Submissions 5465337 thru 5465340 have been approved as is since you will be editing all of them. Let me know when the next round is ready for review.<br />
:* I added "(unindent)" to your post as is our practice.<br />
:* I search archive.org directly. In this case, I used metadata 'Advanced Search'. I use url searching when I wish to see the state of a given website as it existed at a specific time.<br />
: Thanks for your hard work on these, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:15, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Now submissions 5465647-48 and 50-51; 5465728-31 --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:41, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Submissions approved. The following items need attention. Missing juvenile flags for all 2011 & 2012 titles (8 titles). Fix case: 'With' is only capitalized if the first or last word of a title (2 titles, 1 pub title). Fix case: 'Spelling B and the missing magic' (1 title, 1 pub title). Submit edits for the above and anything else you see, then consider the following. Did you notice that the archive had both the 2010 and 2011 printings of 'Spelling B and the Runaway Spell'? The title pages are identical. Shouldn't the pub titles and titles records be the same? Thoughts? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:09, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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=== To Do list === <br />
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# Pwendt, 10:36:21 EDT (quote as [nowiki]) <nowiki>Note to Moderator: 1st of 4; later<br> • child #1 needs capital Ms (NOVEL and COVERART)<br> • check all child COVERART (import, merge?); juv<br> • expand series Note </nowiki><br />
# Scifibones, 12:09 immediately above<br />
# 2011 eds. as ''B Magical:'' are now indb as 144 pages; #1 pb, #2-4 unknown; #5 pb; #6 pb £3.74<br />
# 2011 eds. #3-4 at archive.org (not known to hold scans of 2011 eds. #1-2 and 5-6):<br />
:* back covers state C$6.99, or Canada-only $1 price cut<br />
:* #3 1st printing, "This edition first printing, April 2011"; #4 2nd printing, "This edition first printing, May 2011" (not July)<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:37, 27 October 2022 (EDT) </font><br />
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== The Girl with the Broken Wing ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5458626 this submission]. Your source identifies the format as 'pbk' yet you made it hc. What am I missing? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:22, 22 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, the two ISBN are ISBN-13 and ISBN-10 for the same publication, unusually with duplicate "(pbk.) : £4.99". Not the usual, noteworthy, "first of two ISBN". Maybe I can find a WorldCat record {{done}} ... before I re-write and resubmit. {{done}}<br />
: New submission 5462997 is intended to be identical except format, to your point; linked WorldCat record; and Note, bullet-point layout with revised first bullet point. Please compare before you approve one and delete the other. That's the procedure, I presume. <br />
: (Thanks for your attention here. This is one I would not catch on proofread of My Recent Edits.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:27, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I approved the revised submission, but left the original for you to cancel. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:07, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: {{done}} --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:55, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Space Travel ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5474863 This book] will only be eligible if it illustrates fiction or is related to fiction. From what I can see, this is not the case. Can you share some more details about it? Thanks!<br />
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PS: We have a lot of non-fiction books in the DB which were entered under a different set of rules (based on having reviews in our magazines). We are slowly cleaning them up - the current rule is that the non-fiction books we add (which includes art books) should be related to speculative fiction or to books about speculative fiction. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:29, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: It doesn't belong in the database by that criterion. Perhaps I should note all 7 from last fortnight (6 pub update or clone, because the other six works were already here in US eds. if not UK eds.) at Community Portal. ... = seven 1953 UK books reviewed together as "Getting Ready for Blast-Off" by Charles Daly, The Observer 1954-01-10, p7.<br />
: To be continued, not today but mid-November(?). Use HOLD for now? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:52, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: We know this one is out so I may as well reject it and if I catch the others, I can clean up the copies we have and get them out as well... Let me know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:55, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: All those will be in the queue from -10-31 give or take a day. Dirk J Broer approved all the associated AuthorUpdate from not much earlier.<br />
::: I think I mentioned that it looks to me {{a|Willy Ley}} is someone in the database and deemed above the threshold for what is literally non-fiction. That is, for voluminous exobiology or cryptozoology, not presented as fiction. <br />
::: We also have such works as ''Flying Saucers Have Landed'' --presented as non-fiction but some who call themselves real scientists would call it fraudulent, rather than merely fanciful. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:44, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: We had had a lot of different rules through the years - and we have a LOT of non-fiction that needs deleting. If it is published as science and the person who wrote it believed it to be science, it is out. That also applies to UFOs, ghosts, alien abductions, other creatures, religion book and so on- unless it was published and meant to be fiction, it is not eligible. Look at our [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Included Included section of the ROA] - the non-fiction is only eligible under points 3 and 4. If it does not tie to fiction in some ways, it is out :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:53, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: So is there anything that will qualify it into the DB or should I reject the submission (or you can) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 23:39, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: I "cancel" the submission based on our discussion and ROA (linked above). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:13, 4 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Lost City ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5486056; While searching Google Images for cover image an ISFDB page came up, Pwendt/later, where you wrote about this book. Apparently the LoC copy was uploaded in 2017, very shortly after you entered this book, so after my edit's approved I'm sure you can add/fix more stuff. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Re your Note to Moderator: NOVEL edit history shows that I re-dated as 1883-00-00 when (2016-11-08 relocation from the publ record) I noted the original 11-part serial beginning 1883-10-30. NOVEL date should be first publication as a book. <br />
: Re the title page fib "1885": Sometime during my two-year pandemic absence there was ISFDB Wiki resolution, I believe, to augment the publication Date field, where we know that the actual and stated dates differ. Report both 1884-12-20 and 1885 in this instance. But augmentation hasn't been done. Usually (more recently?) I have put the publication date from the title leaf in the single field we have now.<br />
: Thanks. I will return to this one, as you suggest. Then I will re-layout as a bullet list (ie, with ul- and li-tags). Also I will insert my habitual opening lines for such cases: <br />
* '''1st ed. as a book''' (alluding to the 1883 serial; details in title record) <br />
* '''Published for the 1884 [Christmas][holiday][gift] season as 1885.''' (details in source note below)<br />
: Evidently I settled on the latter note, with 1885 in the Date field, sometime after this 2016/17 work. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:22, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ghostly Business ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514268; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514274; After these edits are approved you may want to see if you can add anything further. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. Evidently someone with a blue pen thought the bookcover windows and lights needed enhancement.<br />
: What is your criterion for adding a link to Archive.org (Webpages) or to OpenLibrary.org (External IDs)? I suppose your first submission is the fruit of exploration at the former website; and the second submission, exploration at the latter. <br />
: Just now I read this OL information page: [https://openlibrary.org/dev/docs/api/covers Open Library Covers API]. That may be useful to me occasionally. Too bad I didn't know it before the pandemic shutdown. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:59, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I used to add mostly OL ID, probably thousands of them in all, with an occasional Archive link added for one reason or another because I know that many of the non-public domain books aren't supposed to be on the Archive in the first place so I let people see the link on the OL page and decide whether they want to go to the Archive copy, but over the last few months with the server move here creating a huge mess and ISFDB-friendly sites like Amazon, WorldCat and others completely re-designing their sites it's a waste of time trying to do anything properly, so I just add mostly Archive links now with an occasional OL ID added for one reason or another. I've got about a thousand pending edits at the moment so if things go as planned and I leave here for awhile those should keep mods busy for a long time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:15, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Note to self again ==<br />
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Current contents of this page User talk:Pwendt <br />
: 001–002 : April 2015<br />
: 003–056 : Sep 2015 to Apr 2016 (8 months; about half the page by length)<br />
: 057–155 : May 2016 to Jun 2020<br />
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: 156–171 : Mar 2022 to Dec 2022 (May to Dec, essentially)<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:44, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?365842 Earwig and the Witch] ==<br />
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Hi! This has the note 'Evidently shorter than 15,000 words' (it's a bit unclear who added this), but this should lead into the transformation into a CHAPBOOK / SHORTFICTION: with this length it's a novelette. There's now a German translation out with 107 pages and many illustrations, which lead me to this title. Anything against the conversion? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:10, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Evidently that note item is mine. (First word "evidently" is evidence; last word evidently, probably, etc, would be stronger evidence.) Probably I counted words on one page only, and guessed the mass of illustrations, etc.<br />
: By the way, I don't know how to convert efficiently for a multiply published novel. What sequence of submissions? So go ahead and do it. Tell me the sequence if convenient. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:42, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks! Will do. If you come across this problem some time later, you'd have to change the NOVEL title to a SHORTFICTION one, and then, somewhat regrettably, one has to edit change all the publications into CHAPBOOKs (meaning you also will have to add a CHAPBOOK title to each one of them, so that each of the publications has a fitting container title). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:37, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== King of the Golden River ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?615941; https://archive.org/details/kingofgoldenrive0000rusk_b0c0; Library edition uploaded in Dec. of 2020 (there's a little label on the back cover), in case you want to enter it like I assume you did for the regular Greenwillow edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:30, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Annotated Snark ==<br />
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Hi, You verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?670586 this publication]. Can You remember the cover, maybe that one to be seen on [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=11418303274 abebooks]? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 07:37, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: I cannot. I should have kept a list of Transient PV from my local public libraries but I did not. Perhaps soon I will learn how to go from the scanner every branch now provides to an image suitable for ISFDB upload. <br />
: Two months ago I foresaw that retracing at local public library branches will be productive for ISFDB coverart image purposes ([[ISFDB:Community Portal#Amazon-hosted cover scans at images/P/]]). I haven't yet tried that and it belongs on the list for this winter.<br />
: It occurs to me also, I should note in publication records whether the verification copy has a dustjacket, same as I note when it does not have the original book cover.<br />
: Thanks for asking. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:32, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I found the right cover in [https://archive.org/details/annotatedsnark0000lewi archive.org], it's the same. I added. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:04, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: Thanks. I expanded my personal table of Primary Verifications (easy now, as only 120 in number) with a few extra columns that I should have used personally from the start, and a few that I would have added recently --concerning "/images/I/" and "/G/" and "/P/". It's only Day 2 and I have my first revision to make, with this image now in the database. And thanks for the price note. <br />
::: I see that you added the image hours after the other work, perhaps because you collect from ABEbooks and others, and manipulate for upload to ISFDB. Do you know that direct links to OpenLibrary.org cover images are acceptable? In this instance: <br />
::: [ <nowiki>https://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/12857132-L.jpg</nowiki> [https://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/12857132-L.jpg 1962 Snark, front dj] ]<br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:00, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Short and Tall Tales ==<br />
Were you planning on setting the non-genre flag as appropriate for the titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?496711 here]? [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5572534 This submission] sparked my curiosity. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:13, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: I don't have any knowledge to tag any story non-genre. I know the 29 mystery novels from #1-3, part of #29, and vaguely one other that is set in Moose County (#5-29). On that basis I confidently amplify what Mhhutchins and Chavey say and assent in the publication note, too briefly and without any Title annotation (all too common). Our later PVerifier is absent since 2015, or I might have asked herm ---who evidently did nothing but scan the record and check the box, by the way. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:46, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574837; The cover art is the same on the HC, which is also on OL/Archive, so if anyone creates a record for that edition the artist will need importing/date will need to be fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I have observed the 1st ed. Beside "non-genre" where appropriate, which requires some reading, all the stories need "short story" length and 2002-10 date --if we retain them in the database. Fix some titles too (&, '). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:44, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-approver status ==<br />
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Self-approver flag has been set on your account as per the consensus [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-nomination_for_self-approver_-_Pwendt on the Community portal]. Congratulations! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:41, 11 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. I vacated for a week after nominating myself last fortnight, but home computer trouble then extended my absence. So far in CoViD--19 era, I do not often work elsewhere, and I don't contribute by handheld phone. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:19, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Clock That Went Backwards ==<br />
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Please do not enter statements into the database like you did [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5604903 here]. All but two of these titles have been verified by active editors. If you have questions about the verifications, ask the verifiers on their talk pages to double check the records. Do not simply add a title note stating their verifications may be erroneous. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:57, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: For a start I have User space inquiries of [[User talk:Markwood]] (5 of the 8 PV) and [[User talk:Dave888]] (2 PV). It seems to me reasonable to wait for replies from both, before writing to remaining verifiers of single editions. For both Markwood and Dave888, I noted that the title notes are already out of date. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:08, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A Little Boy Lost ==<br />
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You had created an entry for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?645583 A Little Boy Lost] a few years ago and gave it date of late 1920 based on advertisements in the papers of the day. I was going down rabbit holes and ran across [https://archive.org/details/sim_publishers-weekly_1920-02-07_97_6/page/388/mode/2up?q=knopf The Publishers Weekly 1920-02-07: Vol 97 Iss 6] which references the Knopf edition for $1.50. I have no idea if it's a different publication or different price and need to come up for air, sanity and scheduled things. Not wanting to just leave it, I thought I'd let you know, without expectations of any kind. Ta ta. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:40, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. Not for attention soon but I expect to catch up with Talk page tidbits sometime. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 08:45, 14 March 2023 (EDT)</div>
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<div>{{welcome}} [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:19, 28 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Mathcing illustrations ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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When you find an INTERIORART record which matches a COVERART one, you should connect them as variants :) For example, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4756555 here] - if the cover matches what is on page 8, you should variant them. Let me know if you want me to do it or assist with instructions. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:00, 13 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Annie,<br />
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:my thanks for that, as I did not know that. In this context, I was a bit vague here, and I can see I'll need to be more specific in the future. The interior illustration was not an exact match or excerpt of the cover, but rather a somewhat different view but showing the same tombstones as shown on the cover. With this info, I'll keep an eye out of matches that need a variant identification.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:40, 13 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Suspected so - so I did not connect them and instead left you a message so you know for the future (in case they match exactly). Thanks for adding the notes in all these magazines. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:50, 13 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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It is my pleasure. I have been cataloging my SF magazines and using ISFDB as a source for correlating info, and I realized that occasionally there was fairly minor info in ISFDB that was either incorrect or incomplete (mostly volume numbers, cover illustration attributions, etc). I am both attempting to be very, very careful and to learn how to do this without making trouble for others.<br />
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I do have one question. When I looked at the Wiki on "how to update verified records" (or something like that), it mentioned that I should notify the primary verifiers even on minor edits. I did not see any obvious way to do that when submitting a suggested edit. Am I missing something?<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:57, 13 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
: You go to their Talk page (click on their name, then on the "Discussion" tab and then press the plus sign (read the top of the page though - some editors have other preferences on what to notify them). We had changed the policies a bit lately -- so minor changes like the ones you are making are ok as is (we have "Changed PV" list where the moderator note shows up so you are good (very good idea to write them)-- but anything a bit bigger, you should post on their pages. Hope this makes sense. Use your common sense on when to notify. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 13 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The covers wording ==<br />
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One note on your replacements - if the text says "Cover illustration untitled" and the magazine is PVed, it means that there is no name for the illustration in the magazine. When you replace it with "Cover illustration for XX" and drop the original statement, you are removing data from the primary source (aka the magazine). So instead, use something like "Cover illustration untitled; it is for XX" or "Cover illustration for XX (untitled in the magazine)" or something along this line - which clearly explains that there is no credit in the magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:07, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Got it. Thanks for the coaching. Will do.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:32, 15 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: One more thing. I will go back, using my edit history, and revise these entries as you suggest. I could be wrong, but I believe I can do this. I'll let you know when I'm done, as it may take a while.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:50, 15 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::The submission you can see on the Edit History does not have the previous text (a known limitation of the system) but if there is an edit before yours, the old text will be in that one so you can see it there :) If there is no previous entry (we do not have one for very old edits), then it is what it is -- we did our best. I hope the reasoning for the change makes sense. Nothing too problematic even if not changed; it just makes a bit more sense not to lose known information :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:55, 15 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Page numbers ==<br />
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In cases like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?698105 this one] you can safely drop the values after | (and the | itself) unless you have two items on the same page. When we have actual pages, they serve both as values to show and values to so sort by :) Not that what you did is wrong but if there is ever a typo discovered and someone needs to edit, that someone will be very confused. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:40, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:The issue I struggled with was that some of the stories were in the wrong order and had the wrong page number. Upon looking at the ISFDB help areas, this seemed like the most likely way to resolve this. <br />
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:In the future, I may ask for advice before doing the actual editing, as I'm still not clear how else I could have gotten this corrected.<br />
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:Thanks.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:39, 15 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: The easiest way to think of it is that "200|200" is the same as "200" - we show the first value, we sort by the second. The wrong order may be because someone added from a source that had a wrong order - it happens. So when you have a real paper book in your hands, you do not need | at all -- unless you have two entries on the same page. The | syntax is for ebooks and audio books - the ones that do not have real pages or for cases where we simply do not know the page numbers (and for the cases where you have two or more items on the same page - rarely in books, a lot more common in magazines (or poetry collections) :) If you ever have questions, just ask. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:59, 15 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 23:25, 15 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Astounding ==<br />
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Hi. Please consider making yourself a primary verifier of those issues of Astounding where you added information to the notes. None of the original verifiers has been active in quite some time. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:27, 20 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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MartyD, thanks for the suggestion. I do have time and interest, and do like to make things better, which is how I first got into updating/adding cover story information for some of the ISFDB magazines. I can certainly go read all of the help pages that discuss primary verification. However, before I jump into this, I have two questions up front:<br />
1. What does it mean to make myself a primary verifier?<br />
2. How do I make myself a primary verifier for an issue of a magazine? (I'm guessing this is something I could figure out without too much work, but I'm already asking you one question, so I'll add this too).<br />
Thanks,<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:20, 20 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: A PV means that you have the magazine at hand and you had checked the information we have about it in the DB against the magazine itself. Here is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:Verify the help page] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_verify_data How To]. When you verify, if someone has any questions, they can come to your page (this one here) and ask you about what is in the DB and what is in the magazine - that is why Marty mentioned that most of the other PVs are inactive -- we cannot ask them for clarification if they are not around :) It is a simple radio box (using the "Verify This Pub" menu on the left menu on the publication). Please feel free to ask any questions you may have. And thanks for all the updates! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:09, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Annie, thanks for the explanation. I have definitely had the magazines at hand, although for many of them it has been easier to refer to the scanned versions on Archive.org or on Luminist.org. (and there are some where I don't have the paper magazine, but only access to the scanned versions). I assume that we can treat those as essentially the same thing? <br />
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My only other concern is the extent to which I would be verifying the magazine info. To date, I have definitely been verifying all of the info that I have been updating, and the data that was related to that (like cover story titles, for instance), but I have not been verifying the entire magazine contents. I could definitely go back and do that, but would prefer to finish my current pass on updating the cover attributions, just to stay organized. I could either wait to verify the entire contents and then add myself as a verifier (preferred) or add myself as a verifier now and come back to finish verification. I would appreciate your advice on this.<br />
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Thanks and best wishes,<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 13:07, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: That's a whole new can of worms - which we had had multiple discussions about. Some people verify based on scans (the notes should ALWAYS explain if that is the case). Some don't. I personally do not consider a scan to be the same as the magazine/book so I would update based on a scan and explain it is from a scan but I would not PV. We had been discussing a new type of verification based on scans (as we have more and more of them) but it never panned out (yet).<br />
: Do things in your own schedule/pace. NO hurry. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:27, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Annie, one more question. When I get to updating from scans for magazines I do not physically own, you mentioned that it would be desirable to note that the information came from a scanned copy. Is there any need to note the origin of the scanned copy, such as archive.org or luminist.org? Not a hurry on this - I probably won't get to this for a week or two, at least.<br />
Thanks<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:21, 31 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Up to you how much information you want to add. If the scan is available officially, adding a link to it in the Web Pages field of the magazine may be the best course of action in addition to the note. Then just mentioning that it is from a scan is enough but if you feel like identifying the scan, it also works. Think of the next person who sees the record - if you were opening the record, would you like to know where the scan is? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:52, 31 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: Great. I'll do that. One question regarding adding a link to the actual scan, to a "official" site such as archive.org or Luminist.org. Has anyone been doing that and what has the experience been?<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 10:44, 1 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: In what regard? The Web Links section on the publication was added to allow us to add links to pages about the books (or with the books foe scans from libraries and the like). As long as the link is to a legal site, adding it is ok. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:00, 1 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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Annie, thanks.<br />
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Boy, that is a can of worms. I just spent about 2 months cataloging my almost 800 SFF magazines and then re-filing them horizontally to avoid wear/bending. This cataloging is actually what led me to start editing the ISFDB entries, as I noticed errors (a very, very, very few) and omissions (especially on the cover story attribution). I am sorry, but I'm not planning on getting them out again for this. I will admit that I get there are scans and scans - I am especially suspicious of some of the earlier Astounding "scans" I've seen, which appear to be from microfiche or something of that nature. Those are hard enough to see and read that I would not verify from them. However, 99% of the scans I've seem appear to be good enough for me in terms of completeness and readability.<br />
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If this ever changes and using scans for verification becomes acceptable, I would be happy to take on verifying.<br />
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Pending any definitive direction on that, I'll continue to use the scans and will reference the scans as the source of info. Would it be appropriate or desirable to reference the detailed source, such as "scan of August 1945 Astounding on Archive.org"? If you have any examples of how this should be done, I would be interested. I will go back and reference the scans on all the magazines I've used them for.<br />
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Thanks for all your guidance and enthusiasm.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:33, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Yours is a different case though. If you have the physical magazine, you still can verify, using the scan as a reference - if there is a disagreement, you still have the magazine to pull (even if it takes time). You do not need to have the magazine on your desk while verifying -- it is really a "I have the magazine and can check it if really needed". In reality a scan usually has all we need - except things like exact size for example or anything that did not scan well. So in your case, I would verify without a second thought. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:38, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks. That is helpful and under those circumstances I will be happy to add myself as a primary verifier when I actually own the magazine. I'll probably finish my current run of editing the cover attribution to clarify if there is an explicit source for the info, as previously requested. I will then go back and add myself as a primary verifier.<br />
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That probably (without adding them up) leaves several hundred issues of Astounding/Galaxy/F&SF/Amazing/If/etc that I edited for added cover attribution solely on scans, without personally owning them. I will mention on them that the cover info attribution is from scans.<br />
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I may have mentioned this, but I really appreciate the guidance on how to do ISFDB in a helpful fashion. I really do want to make things better, but don't want to screw up what is working and do want to work within the system.<br />
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Best wishes<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:51, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: You are always welcome :) We work as a team here - if you ever have a question, just ask - someone WILL help sooner or later. :) And sometimes you step in gray areas and we have lengthy discussions - community ran projects are like that. :) Plus it is easier to try to steer new editors than deal with the old patterns of the old hands :) You are doing fine - most of the suggestions you are getting are of the "your work is great, here is an idea of how to improve a bit" variety. So it is easy to post recommendations. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:58, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::Hi, sorry about somewhat sporadic availability. But you're in good hands with Annie! One additional point about making yourself a primary verifier: Think of it more as an "I have this publication" than "I have painstakingly gone through every bit of data and matched it against my pub-in-hand." While we certainly like the latter, it is much more useful for the community to know you can be a resource for questions. So do as thorough or cursory a "verification" as you are able and care to do. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:00, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
MartyD, thanks also for your insights and guidance on what it means to be a primary verifier.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:20, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) AnnieK, I have finally gotten back to the question of adding links to scanned copies of Astounding. These scanned copies are at either archive.org or luminist.org (mostly archive.org). I see a few (2 perhaps) examples such as this in the March 1930 Astounding Notes, of a link to archive.org:<br />
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The full text and images of this edition are available at The Internet Archive.<br />
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With a live link in the original.<br />
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From what I took earlier from you, the web page feature is more aimed at sites about a specific publication, and not so much for links to scanned copies.<br />
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Accordingly, my plan is to add similar live links in the Notes to specific Astounding issues from either archive.org (my preference) or luminist.org (when there is no archive.org copy).<br />
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I would appreciate your feedback before I get started.<br />
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Best wishes,<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 15:48, 26 December 2020 (EST)<br />
: Reorganizing this a bit so it is clear who is responding to whom. :) The full text of the issue is exactly what we have these links for (they are for pages about the issue/book and pages containing the issue/book) - in a way a scanned issue is "a page about the issue" more that a page about it is. The links inside of the notes are for things like crediting an artist based on another site or something along these lines. So add the text but instead of incorporating a link, add the link in its proper field. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:01, 26 December 2020 (EST)<br />
Ok. I'll add the text, and add the link to the Web Page field in the Edit form. I am planning on doing this for all the Astoundings I can find on archive.org (or luminist.org if not on archive.org), so it's really good to get it right to start with. If this goes OK, I may do the same thing for Galaxy, F&SF, etc. Best wishes<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:05, 26 December 2020 (EST)<br />
I did finish updating the Astoundings with links to archive.org (mostly) and Lumnist.org (a few where there was no archive.org), along with an update to the Notes. Next, I think I'll do the same for Galaxy. Best wishes and thanks again for the coaching.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:53, 9 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== In this issue...Coming next month ==<br />
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Hi Dave, when entering a title that is common across several publications (here magazines), but that have different contenst, then you'll need to disambiguate them by adding the Magazine's title between parenthesis, lest they risk being merged into one single record. I've done a few as an example, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2802430 here]. When approved, will you go back in and submit these disambiguations? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:15, 21 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:Now that you mention that, I see what you mean in other entries for F&SF, Analog, etc, for these kinds of repetitive and perhaps non-exclusive titles, such as might appear in any SF magazine. I also see the entry on this subject in the Help Wiki. Looking at the entries that I see, I assume that an entry like this would be acceptable, "Coming soon (F&SF, January 1971)". Yes, once I confirm I have it right, I will be back and separately revise the ones that have already been submitted and accepted, etc. I don't know if there are any still pending, but it would be more straightforward for me to go back and edit those entries after the pending edits have been approved for now, compared to re-submitting all of them).<br />
:Thanks for the coaching.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 15:06, 22 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:: That's exactly what I wanted to hear :) And you have it understood correctly. I have approved the submissions that I had on hold. Don't wait to submit the update, otherwise you may risk having someone merge all these identical records, and then you'll have to submit an unmerge first before you can correct the titles. For clarity's sake, you know you can either edit each individual 'In this issue...Coming next month' title record, or alternatively update the title by editing the pub record? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:56, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
I'll get on that today. I like the idea of doing the pub record edit, but I have not done that and will need to read up on that. I know the format I need to follow is pretty much "(F&SF, XX, XXXX)" for the month and year. Does the pub record edit accommodate that, or would I still need to edit each by hand to get the correct month and year in the title record?<br />
Thanks!<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 13:19, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
: No automatic adjustments (the system does not know what title will appear in other magazines) so you will need to add the correct differentiator manually. Please note that it is not always "Magazine, Month Year" - it is usually the publication title as is. For magazines with longer names, shorter versions are acceptable. Most older magazines already have a few essays with the correct titles so look at them and use the same differentiator inside of the magazine for consistency. :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:18, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:: I've done an example for you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2802430 here]. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:48, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
My thanks to both of you for the coaching. I should be able to get this done (all the prior F&SF issues edited to reflect this on the "Coming soon", etc, title entries) by tomorrow at the latest.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 15:37, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
::: One more trick. If you go to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/recent.cgi recent edits] page, scrolling down you should be able to find your approved edits (at around 2020-11-23 12:58:16 timestamp). If you then hold ctrl and click on each 'Affected Record' (last column) in succession you'll open new tabs (at least it works like this in Chrome) for each pub you'll have to edit. Makes it easier on the routine - of course, you could also use the regular search as well... ;) Have fun! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:09, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
I have taken care of these edits, along with getting my references to luminist.org changed to archive.org (I found out in archive.org that the F&SF issues were mostly there, just indexed in a non-obvious way). Now, I'll be moving forward from 1962. Thanks again for the coaching.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:53, 24 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Coming Soon et al. ==<br />
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Hello Dave, I've accepted all of your submissions, but you'll have to review all ''Coming Soon'' and similar titles, as you'll need to capitalize them. So not ''Coming soon'' but ''Coming Soon''. This because we standardize capitalization for all titles (per the capitalization rules for the language). You could use advanced search on titles to retrieve a list of all that you'll need to update. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:49, 28 November 2020 (EST)<br />
Thanks for catching that. I had read that, but then I managed to confuse myself and convinced myself, incorrectly, that the Contents page vs. title page title case governed. My bad, and thanks for accepting the rest. I'll get it right going forward, and I'll let you know when I have re-done these for correct case per ISFDB standardization. I will try the advanced search on titles, but we'll see about that. I have not had as much success with that as I have been hoping for. Either way, it will get done.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:05, 28 November 2020 (EST)<br />
I gave it one pass through, and am done with updating the case on those records. I'll re-search to ensure I have not missed anything after the pending changes are approved. Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 00:52, 29 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== New Cthulhu 2: More Recent Weird ==<br />
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I had to reject [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4848830 this submission]. We already have a record for the {{P|505445|tp version}} you are trying to create. Please edit that version instead (which is a different version than the ebook you were cloning). Let us know if you have questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:29, 7 December 2020 (EST)<br />
Thanks for catching that. I sure missed that entirely - an unfortunately too human moment! Yes, I will edit the tp version to get the complete TOC and get them in the right order for the tp.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 10:38, 8 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== If/Worlds of If ==<br />
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I'm currently approving your submissions with the web page reference for on-line versions of the magazine, but I have to say that if you were not going to specify the particular link to the individual issues, it would have been simpler and adequate to go to the heading for the series of magazines and enter the link there. What you've done is acceptable, but not the best way to have handled giving users of the website information about the magazines. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:22, 20 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Bob, I need a some help here. Looking at my Rejection Log, you rejected a number of these Worlds of If edits with the link to individual issue scans between 1952 and 1960 or so. Your comment was "Put the link in: link descriptor."<br />
::I need some help on what that means, especially given that the suggested edits all included links to scans of specific issues.<br />
::Thanks.<br />
::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 00:46, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::I think Bob was expecting this link to be in the notes as an HTML link. He seems to have overlooked that you put them in the web page field (which is the correct location for them). As Bob has not responded in the last three days despite being active, I will un-reject the edits and approve them since they were valid. There is no point in making you do it all over again. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:15, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
Thank you. I appreciate your insight and your help.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:45, 24 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: If they are not to the exact issue of the magazine, they should really not be in the publication links - that's what title and series web pages fields are for... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:30, 20 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::My thanks to both of you for the guidance. Every single link added to all of these magazines by me has been specific to the issue. Among other reasons for doing this on a per issue basis are a) many people I know are looking for specific issues, and b) for most (if not all) of the SF magazines I have done this for, there is not a single source for the magazine that is complete, well organized and easy to search, and with a desirable interface for access. This pretty much drives the decision to do it on an issue by issue basis. <br />
::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:25, 20 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Non-genre magazines ==<br />
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They do not get a cover record or a cover image UNLESS it illustrates our contents (think of Playboy and how many SF stories are there - while we do not have issues with covers of our books that are risque, cataloging these would be sending a wrong message so the decision was taken to treat non-genre magazines in a special way compared to any other publication) :) So I pulled it out from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?821593 here]. And I did the yearly record update (changing the date and the title) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:41, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for setting me straight on the cover record. I'm sure that info was somewhere. sorry. On the yearly record update, thanks. I believe you mentioned that this would be created automatically (maybe I'm wrong) when a 2nd issue for 2019 was added. Am I confused?<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 13:48, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: No worries on the cover. Common oversight :)<br />
:: Let me try again: When you create the magazine, the EDITOR record is created with the title and the date of the issue you just added. So if it is the first for the year, we need a rename+redate TitleUpdate post approval. If it is a second or later issue for the year, we need a merge to bring it to the others. You will notice that unlike other records, an EDITOR does not have "Add Publication" and Clone does not allow a title change - so if you go for clone instead of a new+merge for later issues in the same year, then you need to rename the new issue once it is approved (the clone is useful for things like the ebook/webzine double formats or paper/ebook double formats). There is always a second step with magazines. :) Hope that made more sense now. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:55, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks! That is very helpful. I'm guessing after I go through this a bit it will become obvious to me. I will be referring back to this. I was kind of wondering if cloning would be useful for adding, say, the November 2019 Nightmare, which probably shares a lot of content and format with the September issue, or if it was better to just start from the beginning and be careful? Seems like a style difference, and it does seem like it is a more obvious choice for different printings/versions of the same publication. Any thoughts on cloning vs adding for the November Nightmare issue?<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:02, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: But it is not the same contents - they are different stories and essays (and if some are named the same, we still differentiate with the issue title if it is different contents) - remember that Clone will also bring in the contents of the issue, not just the data at the top. So start over :) If you clone, you will need to then remove all the contents and add the new ones... hardly useful. If it is a new issue, you add New. If it is a new format for an existing issue, you use Clone. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:23, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Notes and clones ==<br />
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When there is a note such as "Publication date from Amazon.com as of 2015-09-03." in a book you are cloning from, you want to remove that line for a new book - you are setting/checking the publication date as of the day for the NEW record you are creating when you are adding the record - so the as of will match your "data as of" statement. The reason why the book you copied from had that line is because the rest of the data there came from a real copy but the date itself is not printed there and was added based on Amazon at that specific date. Hope this makes sense. I had been cleaning up the lines as I was approving your clones. Thanks for doing them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:22, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for letting me know. That was niggling at me a bit. One of my theories was that I needed to preserve the earlier info for a data trail, per se. But no. I'll do that in the future. When I'm citing that I have used info from Amazon and the kindle preview for an ebook, does it make any sense to note that the info is per the date I am doing it, or should I just leave all that out? <br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:26, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: You do preserve the old dates and notes if you are editing an existing publication; you do not if you are creating a new one where it is not relevant and does not belong to the record you are making. When you are cloning you are creating a new book - you can add "data from the paperback edition" or something like this if this is where you are sourcing for example but the history of our record of the paperback edition is kinda irrelevant.<br />
:: Yes - using "Data from Amazon.com as of TODAY_DATE" is a good practice. Then if someone corrects something, they can add the changes with "as of" as well making it a lot clearer of what came from where. It belongs to THIS record that you are now creating. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:32, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Don't forget the | for the pages on non-paper books :) I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?822052 here] and added the Narrators, Audible ID, ISBN and length - and removed the Recommended essay that is not in it as per your note. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:49, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: And fixed the price: remember that we want the List price, so in this case: $41.99 :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::::Got it. Thanks, and I will continue to do better. My goal is always to just have it approved without more work.<br />
::::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 13:57, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: New formats are hard - :) You are doing fine -- the DB can be... interesting. That's why I am noting and explaining what I am changing. As always - if something is unclear or does not make sense, let me know. Thanks for working on these! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:13, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Slate, April 30, 2018 ==<br />
<br />
You create a chapbook when a story is published on its own and not part of a different publication; when it is in a magazine/collection, you create the magazine/collection - regardless if the story is already in the DB or not. I fixed the type [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?822415 here] so now you can import the story -- and I also fixed all the other yearly records for Slate while I was there (the two new ones were edited and the existing ones got their other entries merged into them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:29, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:So, I should have created the magazine issue for Slate for a specific date, but left it with no contents, and then imported the story. Please confirm, as I'd like to get this right in the future for all of the other issues/stories like this, as there are certainly more. <br />
Thanks for taking care of the yearly records for Slate; I'm sure I'll get to trying to do that some day, and I'll keep the guidance and we'll see how I do. <br />
: Best wishes and thanks for the continued guidance and mentoring.<br />
: PS - when I get it back from the library, I'll be adding a good new novel which is definitely genre (fantasy perhaps?) but not currently in the DB. I'll go back and re-read all the guidance before doing that.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:42, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Yes. Or add the story and then we will merge. :) When it is a single story, either way works - there is always a second step - import or merge - so either way is fine. If you are adding contents to an anthology, importing is way better because if you add them otherwise, we will need to merge every story, one by one. <br />
:: Compared to magazines and anthologies, novels are easy. Still, do not hesitate to ask. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:22, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:27, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Title date after publication date ==<br />
<br />
When you see a message "Title date after publication date" when you are importing (or cloning) like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4908242 here], you should also submit a change of date for the title record, with a moderator note that an import is pending so we know why you are changing it if the import is not approved yet. I am doing it now as I am approving ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4908257 for example]) but keep that in mind for the future. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:00, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: Thanks for letting me know. I was expecting to do that, and I was wondering if you were taking care of it. In the future, I will note that in the Moderator notes.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:04, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Sometimes you get the friendly moderator who does them, sometimes you do not. The two updates are not clashing so as soon as you see the warning, just submit the re-date as well -- that way the moderators know that they do not need to. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Got it. I certainly don't plan on relying on that. Will do. Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:08, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4908984 Now I am bored...]. No updates needed after this one. :) <br />
:::: Let me know if you want a tip on how to merge titles with different titles so you can get the two 2014 issues together without the need to rename both (you still need to rename one of course) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:51, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::I will still need to deal with the 2017 issue also. Yes, I would love a tip on merging, I do not think I have done that. My thanks on all your patience here. I have only read 1 of the Future Tense fiction works (it was quite good), but I am sure impressed with the authors I know, and need to try the others. I am pleased to add these to ISFDB, as they are certainly worthwhile.<br />
:::::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 21:06, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::: Well, yes but you had done that before :) You need to do it on one of the 2014 issues as well :)<br />
:::::: Two ways to merge titles that do not come up on the duplicate check (if you go to any book, title or author, there is "Check for Duplicate Titles" links on the left menu with various settings that will find most of the similarly named ones - although the ones on titles and publications can find more in the aggressive option). When that fails, you have two options:<br />
::::::* Go to the author page. Find "Show All Titles" in the left menu. Now select what to merge, make sure you pick the correct title and date in the next screen :). <br />
::::::* If the author has more than one page of titles and the things you want to merge do not show up on the same page, go for Advanced Search -> Titles (which opens [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_selection.cgi?title this]). Build your scenario - it can be as easy as "Title1" or "Title2" or it can be "Title starts with Slate and Title Year is 2014" or anything in between. The goal is to get them to a merge screen - do no worry about not filtering enough -- you need the ones you want to merge on a single page so you can select them; any additional ones showing you just do not pick :) Then select the ones you want to merge and make sure you pick the correct titles.<br />
:::::: For magazines, the Author -> Show All Works as a charm (as long as the editor is not a major author as well of course). As always, if you have questions, just ask :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:15, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::Looks like DirkP got there first, so this appears to have been taken care of. That's it for Slate for today. Thanks for all the help.<br />
:::::::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:11, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Gehman's 'The Machine' ==<br />
<br />
Thanks for the additional information on the story's first publication. I transferred it to its [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?74768 title] where it properly belongs (and I adjusted the date to the exact day that you found out about). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:35, 12 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for taking care of those corrections. I'll take note of that for the future, and attempt not to make the same mistake again.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:14, 12 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Page numbers and order==<br />
<br />
When adding real pages (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?696934 here]) there is no need to do things like "407|22" - just put 407. :) If a mistake is corrected later, we can end up with things sorting weirdly (for example if it is discovered that this 407 is 408 and the editor doing the change does not understand what that 22 means, they will leave it as 408 only... and off it will go to the bottom). Trying to figure out why this happened can be... interesting :)<br />
<br />
The system will sort based on the number itself if you do not add a | explicitly (think of 407 as a 407|407 essentially); add the | and value after that only when either you have two things on the same page or when it is an ebook/webzine (so you use it for ordering only) or when we simply do not know the page numbers (same as ebooks). Hope this makes sense. <br />
Thanks for fixing the order in this one! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:57, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Thanks for the help. I think I forgot that. I can see how that could cause problems.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:25, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::One more question on page numbers. I am in the process of importing the ebook "Sense of Wonder" titles into the tp version. I do not have a copy of the paper book, nor have I found a copy of the actual paper TOC with page numbers for everything. I do have one appendix in the ebook which does give page numbers for the fiction titles, but not for the essays or author bio essays. I am thinking that there is no point in adding the page numbers only for the fiction titles, but I am interested in your opinion. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:35, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Just leave them with the page markers from the ebook :) If/when someone has the book, they can fix the page numbers. As long as everything is in order, we are good in this case. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:43, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::I thought so. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:47, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Audio books ==<br />
<br />
A few more things about audio books:<br />
* We have a Narrator template :) <br />
* Audible IDs (from Audible.com) are external IDs, if it is from another Audible, the link goes into Web Pages<br />
* Modern digital audio books have ISBNs (not all but the major publishers and the last couple of years do). Three easy ways to find them:<br />
** If the Audible ID does not start with B, it is ISBN10 - so convert to ISBN13 and you are good. If it starts with B, the book does not have ISBN but you may check the rest of the sources (there are a few weird cases). But when I see one of those with B Audible ASIN, I generlly assume no ISBN and stop chasing it. <br />
** Kobo has the ISBNs (Search by title and make sure you grab the one for the audio and not the ebook). If it does not start with 978/979, we do not want it (they use 123 IDs for internal purposes when no ISBN is there; these are not ISBNs and we do not record them).<br />
** The publisher site. <br />
** Careful if you find an ISBN on a library site - some publishers have two ISBNs and two separate versions of the audiobook - one for public consummation and one for libraries. The library ones won't show up in Amazon/Kobo but will show up in OCLC. It is ok to add both - just do not add the ASIN and Audible ASIN to the second (add OCLC number instead) :) <br />
* We want the price list. So in Amazon, you see two radio boxes: "Buy with Audible Credit" and "Buy with 1-Click"(or something like that). Not the button - just the radio box. When you switch to the latter, the list price appears. You see something like this (from the book linked below):<br />
** Buy with 1-Click $29.39<br />
** List Price: $41.99 You Save: $12.60 (30%)<br />
* Alternatively, get it from Audible: For example: "Regular price: $41.99; Member price: $29.39 or 1 credit" - you want the regular price. Or get it from the publisher site (if they are different, publisher site wins, the note specifies that this is where the price is from and you can add Amazon/Audible price in the notes<br />
I made these changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?827166 this one] so you can see there how these are used. Do let me know if you have any questions :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: A few more things:<br />
:* As the cover is the same, you could have left the checkbox clicked on the Clone screen - I merged them :)<br />
:* The Intro is there - Audible's sample (very useful occasionally - you can listen to it from Amazon or Audible and unlike ebooks samples, you can stream it without getting it first (so unlike your kindle (client), your Audible one does not get cluttered by these) starts at the film and TV section of it :) So I cleaned up the note. Thanks for adding this one! :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:25, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I will make a note of all of these things, and do better next time. On the cover, I felt that the cover base image was the same, but the overall image was a bit different. Not that important.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 10:41, 9 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: If you never worked with those, some of these are not that easy to figure out (which is why I explained my usual process with audio books - hopefully it is useful:) ). <br />
::: Yep - in which case we have one COVERART title but different images inside of the publications. For art we variant for changes in language, title or author form but not for different borders, colors and so on. So even if in black and white, this would have been merged again. Or mirrored. Or like here when it has the red borders. Hope this makes a bit more sense now. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 9 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::I see. Thanks. I'll note that for the future, and hopefully get it right.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:31, 9 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Erewhon (Sense of Wonder Excerpt) ==<br />
<br />
Does the book say "Erewhon (Sense of Wonder Excerpt)" or does it say "Erewhon (excerpt)" or something else (about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2842119 this one]? Unlike essays, we never add the book name into excerpts UNLESS the title is printed that way in the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:42, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2842121 this one] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2841873 this one] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2841889 this one]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:43, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks for the guidance. I assume that the other properties are enough to uniquely identify each excerpt. I missed that. I had added the "Sense of Wonder" to the titles of the excerpts to clearly identify that they were different versions. I will change them all back without the "Sense of Wonder" on the excerpts.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:04, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Even if they do not, we just do not differentiate them (And we do not merge them if we are not sure they re the same). Just different rules across different types (yep, it can get confusing) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:21, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: The full part of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Title help page] is: "Excerpts. Sometimes an excerpt from a forthcoming book will be printed at the back of a book. This should be treated as short fiction. If the excerpt has a different title that the work from which it is excerpted, use that title. Otherwise, use the title of the excerpted work, but add " (excerpt)" to the end; e.g. "A Feast for Crows (excerpt)"." - and yes it applies also to books that are already published :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:21, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks for steering me right. Making corrections now.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:23, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::: Dave, (excerpt). Not (Excerpt). :) I will approve and fix... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:27, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:Darn. Got it now. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:29, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Sense of Wonder - two more questions ==<br />
<br />
1. After editing the "excerpt" titles, I'm seeing an number of entries like this, "The Last Man (excerpt) • short fiction by Mary Shelley (variant of The Last Man (Sense of Wonder Excerpt)) [as by Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley]", where the listed variant is of the old, incorrect title. I am assuming that I inadvertently created the variant here. What do I need to do on these?<br />
: Yep - because when there is a parent because a pseudonym was used (someone created them to assist you), you also need to change the names of the parents now. Click on these weird titles and submit a new edit to fix their names now :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:16, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I will do that. Does this also mean that I'll need to do a merge to get rid of them after making them the same?<br />
2. For the non-unique essay titles (author bio and others), I created them all as "XXXXX (Sense of Wonder)" to differentiate. Do I need to go back and edit all of these to "XXXXX" only?<br />
Sorry for the complications. Thanks<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:50, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Nope - the essays with common names DO get the name of the book at the end to protect them from merging. Excerpts don't. One of the oddities of the DB. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:16, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::Great. With all of this, after I deal with this and a few other issues (there are still a few outstanding alternate names), I will be close to being done with the ebook edits. Once I get there on that, I'll import the titles into the tp. This has been an interesting learning experience for me. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:00, 13 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Reversing these variants ==<br />
<br />
These can be done with a single edit per title. <br />
<br />
Let me explain with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2842405 this one]. Get the title "Sense of Wonder". Go to Advanced search -> Titles ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_selection.cgi?title here]) and paste "Sense of Wonder" for Title and modifier exactly. It will find the results [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=Sense+of+Wonder&C=AND&USE_2=title_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title here]. Find the two we are trying to reverse. On the next screen:<br />
* Select the the Author you want to stay (the longer one here)<br />
* Where is says "title_parent", select the empty and not the number. <br />
When this is approved it will leave a single title where we want it with nothing to delete, rename or fix :) The second point above is important - if you leave the Number and not the empty, it will loop on itself (not that we cannot clean it after that but it defeats the purpose of the single edit idea). <br />
Let me know if something does not make sense and try with this one title. Once it works, you can do it with the rest - just use the different exact title in the Advanced Search :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:10, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! I should have asked you for this. I now see your advice on this in the "rejection", and I will proceed with doing this first.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 15:01, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. See - 1 step only. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:45, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks. If I can't figure out what to do next, I'll check in and ask.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 22:09, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Well - you know how to do the variants of the ones that do not have the variants in the wrong direction (it will always be Option 2 for this author) and all the reversals will be exactly like this one. So you should be all set. But if you need help, just yell :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:12, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== "Science Fiction in Western Europe (Sense of Wonder)" ==<br />
<br />
Hi, my best guess is that the suffix '(Sense of Wonder)' is superfluous [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2842155 here] and should be removed: it only should be indexed if it's printed in that way as heading for the essay, or if there are several titles 'Science Fiction in Western Europe' by Sonja Fritzsche. (And it's standard procedure for a generic title like 'Introduction', 'Editorial' or 'Afterword'. See also the last bullet under the sub-section '''Title''' [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles here]). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:25, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Good point. You are correct. Most of these had "Sense of Wonder" appended due to duplication with other titles with input by AnnieMod, but this one does not. I have submitted a correction. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:46, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:04, 26 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you. I sure tried to be organized and methodical on this one. However, with about 375 entries, I appreciated all the help I could get.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:45, 26 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Galaxy 1963-10 ==<br />
<br />
Cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58633 this issue] is credited to Dember, but the same but differently cut cover art of [https://www.flickr.com/photos/161053216@N03/51301915361 Galaxie #1, Mai 1964] is clearly signed R McK, that is, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27543 Richard McKenna] (not the writer). [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 11:08, 20 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I have checked my paper version of the October 1963 Galaxy. It is clearly listed as "Dember" on the contents/copyright page for the cover. I agree that it is the same image as is used for the Galaxie #1 (Maie 1964). I don't have a paper version of the Galaxie issue. The version I see online here at ISFDB does show that area of the cover that is omitted from the Galaxy cover, but the scale and resolution are not enough to see what the signature looks like. I do see that the flickr version linked to appears to show a Richard McKenna signature, but I was unable to find a version online that I had confidence in. Dember and Richard McKenna both did covers for Galaxy in this era. I don't see enough clearcut evidence to make a change here. You could put this to the moderators and see if they have a better idea. Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 00:30, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::If you click on the Galaxie link above, and click again on the image to enlarge it, you see a signature R McK, with an M which has a horizontal upper bar, and with a very small c. The best certified McKenna signature I can find right now is [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XdnoBZR0U1pFgYET9uokZWvlhvWvy-KJ/view here], it opens a PDF for the whole If 1967-03 magazine, with signed cover and attribution on the contents page. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 06:36, 23 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::Thanks. I agree with you that the certified McKenna signature on the 1967-03 IF magazine does look like the signature on the online version of that cover illustration. At the same time, I would still be somewhat cautious about this. I would suggest editing the Notes for the October 1963 Galaxy to something that suggests that the cover may be by McKenna and not Dember, but that the lack of a paper version of the Galaxie cover makes it somewhat ambiguous. I would leave the Cover Artist noted as Dember.<br />
:::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:46, 23 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Littlest People (Galaxy March 1954) ==<br />
<br />
The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58568 isfdb entry for the March 1954 issue of Galaxy SF] lists 2 interior illustrations for the story "The Littlest People", though the story in fact only contains one. Just leaving this note to let you know that I'll rectify this issue soon. --[[User:Rreett|Rreett]] 17:08, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for noticing that and taking care of it![[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 20:19, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Talk pages vs User pages ==<br />
<br />
Please be careful when leaving messages on other editors' pages - you want the discussion/Talk page, not their user page. I moved your message for C1 from their user page to their [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:C1#Year.27s_Best_Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy_2017 Talk Page]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:30, 10 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:Darn it. My bad. I'll remember that next time. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:54, 10 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: No worries. Our links on the PV table put you on the user page (I've asked for that to be changed already) and if they had not filled in something in there to make you realize you are on a user page, it can be a bit confusing so it happens occasionally. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:50, 10 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 10:59, 11 November 2021 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Meditation ==<br />
<br />
There is an active PV on one of the books on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5151829 this update]. So before we change the title, please check with them. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:12, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:I did check with Markwood, and he was OK. See bottom of his usertalk. http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood <br />
:In hindsight, I should have checked with him first? Thanks.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:10, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Yep - first check with the PV, then submit it with a note that you checked with the PV as well :) Approved. Otherwise all I can do is to put it on hold until the PV responds or we determine they won't (in which case we will still correct but a note will need to be added so it is clear that the PVs did not verify that story title). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:19, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Great. I'll do that. Sorry.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:53, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Contributor's Notes (The Best American Science Fiction and Fantasy 2021) ==<br />
<br />
We use the author name Anonymous when this is how the text is credited verbatim. When you want to say that there is no credit, we use "uncredited" (and we use "unknown" if we suspect that there may be a credit but the secondary source we have has no information about it). So [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2949834 this one] is definitely "uncredited" and not by Anonymous :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:01, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:I knew that. Thanks, and I'll try to get that right next time.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 10:14, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Non-genre sources ==<br />
<br />
You know, these non-genre sources are eligible to be added here. "A Public Space, December 2020" for example - as a non-genre periodical ([http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Entering_non-genre_periodicals Help page] on how we add these). Or issue 270 of "One Story". Or Paris Review. If you want to add them instead of just notes that is. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:48, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:I had taken a look around at those situations and there seemed to be a lot of non-genre sources handled in the Notes. I do see and agree that non-genre sources with a history or pattern of genre stories can and should be listed as DB entries. For these in particular, I did search on them and saw either none or very, very few DB entries for the publications ("The Paris Review", "A Public Space", and "One Story"). <br />
:I will admit that the somewhat lazier and easy solution of adding the first publication in the Notes for these was appealing. I do get that this makes it harder to find those first publications in the DB, as you have to explicitly use Advanced Search for the Notes.<br />
:I will check out that help page on "non-genre publications" and see what it says, and circle back with you. If there is a definite direction that is preferable here, let me know. Thanks.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:57, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: We always prefer to add the source as long as it is eligible to be added (non-genre webzines and websites that are not non-genre are not eligible at this time so only notes can be added when they are the source). However - sometimes people do not have time to add them. Sometimes they do not know how. So we would rather have the notes than nothing but we prefer to have the actual source. <br />
:: These 3 specific magazines rarely publish genre stories - so of course we will have very few entries if any. Only genre content is eligible so we add an issue only if it has a genre story/content and only that content is listed. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?26452 The New Yorker] for the classic example :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:03, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::I took a look at the non-genre periodical help page. That does not look too onerous, so I'll do that over the next few days. We'll see how I do. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:33, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: It's easier than genre ones as you only add the stories we need (and you can use Editors of... instead of the real editors so a lot less research needed. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:26, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks. We'll see about the editors/Editors of....[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:33, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::Annie, One more question. I had created the title records for these stories as entries in the "The Best American Science Fiction and Fantasy 2021" at http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?859087 assuming that I would just add the story source in the notes. I was in the process of creating the specific magazines where they were first published. I would normally create the title records there for the stories and import them into Best American SF, but I have already created them. In the future, I can see it would be best to not list them in the Anthology until after they have been created in the original source. Would you recommend deleting them from the Best American SF and entering them in the non-genre publication, or is it OK to create it again assuming that the author and title are truly identical? That seems theoretically OK, but perhaps not and also fraught with peril. Sorry for not figuring this out sooner. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:57, 30 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::: Import them in the magazines. :) First change their dates though (import and titleEdit can be submitted in parallel). No need to delete and recreate it - once the record is created we can change the date and we can import everywhere else. When adding the magazines, add a note that you will be importing the story. Alternatively just add the story to the magazine as if it did not exist already and then we can merge them on approval. Either way will need a second step so pick your poison. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:36, 30 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::Thanks. I have no one to blame but myself. I think I'll do the import after changing the dates. That seems more fundamentally sound.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:43, 30 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::: You cannot plan for everything or you will end up 100 steps down a project and trying not to drown when you realize that yet another story has a previous publication. :) Both ways work - sometimes a quick merge is a cleaner way (I do that often in a case like this one). But either way works. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:39, 30 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::: Thanks for all the coaching here. I think I have the tp and it's contents done. I'll need to see if I can verify the contents of the other versions and clone or not.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 15:12, 7 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Time Traveller's Almanac ==<br />
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(Thought I'd left you a message about this earlier, but it looks horribly like I failed to save the edit)<br />
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Re. the message you left on my talk page a few weeks ago, I see both Amazon UK and Waterstones are now showing this in stock. Not sure when that happened, as they both still list the original Dec 9th date, but I see from Twitter that the Simon Ings Robots anthology that also got delayed was in circulation as of Jan 20th. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 10:34, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks for the udpate. Yes, I checked, and I see the same thing. I had reached out to Jeff Vandermeer, and also to the Head of Zeus sales staff. A friend had reached out to Head of Zeus in another fashion. We had all pointed out the inconsistency of the cover information "100 stories" vs. the known table of contents. We never got an answer from anyone. I still deeply suspect the listing on the cover is incorrect and the TOC is the same as ever, but we won't know until someone has an actual physical copy, as so far there is no ebook copy with preview. I'm not going to buy one solely to find out, and I don't know anyone who will. I think the Notes as currently stated (thanks for updating that) is as adequate as possible. If I ever find out it is different, I'll check back in for an update.<br />
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I do have to say that, after reading the TTA, with the 65 stories about time travel in some way, I was not really hungry for more of them from the Vandermeers. You'd have to really, really like time travel stories for that. <br />
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Best wishes and thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:54, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Nice Girl with 5 Husbands ==<br />
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Please see [[ISFDB:Verification_requests#.22Nice_Girl_with_Five_Husbands.22_by_Fritz_Leiber|this discussion]]. Based on the Internet Archive scan, I have changed the "Nice Girl with Five Husbands" to "Nice Girl with 5 Husbands" for your verified {{P|58431|Galaxy Science Fiction, April 1951}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:01, 25 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for taking care of this. Good job by Michael Main in catching that. I agree without reservation.<br />
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== Science Fiction: Stories and Contexts ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5488821 this submission]: Your moderator note is correct. Since this is a different excerpt it should be a new title and it should be entered with the author name used in the pub. And yes, the next steps are 1) edit the new record to add the excerpt source and translator; and 2) use the "Make This Title a Variant" option 2 to variant it to a new record under the canonical name. Let me know if you need any help with that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:57, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:My thanks for setting me in the right direction. I am not sure if this is just a mental block on my part, or confusion over something that I don't do very often, or a combination thereof. Regardless, thanks for the help, and I hope to get it right and finish off editing this volume very soon, without much more intervention.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:15, 21 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Clock That Went Backward ==<br />
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Concerning 1881 short story "The Clock That Went Backward" by Edward Page Mitchell:<br />
We have eight remaining publications as {{t|93690|The Clock That Went Backwards}} (with final 's'), which has been the parent title until yesterday. Six are primary verified including two of your verified anthologies. I hope you will check them: BACKWARD or BACKWARDS?<br />
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:Good question. <br />
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:The original story in the 1881 newspaper does show "The Clock That Went Backward" as the title; I was able to check this at newspapers.com. <br />
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:The first reprint in "The Crystal Man: Landmark Science Fiction", 1973, Doubleday, is at Internet Archive. I was able to review it, and it consistently shows "The Clock That Went Backward" throughout, in the TOC, the long introduction by Sam Moskowitz which is more of a historical essay than anything else, and in the body of the collection. <br />
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:The 1983 version of "Isaac Asimov Presents the Best Science Fiction of the 19th Century" (Gollancz) is at Internet Archive. It also uses "The Clock That Went Backward" throughout.<br />
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:The title used throughout my copy of "The Prentice Hall Anthology of Science Fiction and Fantasy" is "The Clock That Went Backward", in the TOC and at the story location in the book.<br />
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:I am open to this, but it does appear that "The Clock That Went Backward" should be the parent title. <br />
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(The new story title notes are already out of date. I will update probably this fortnight.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:52, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Also, can you confirm or deny for your 2000 and 2003 edition the front cover image Amazon now provides as 2019 --which matches what your two publication records now display? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:58, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::The cover for my edition does match the current Amazon cover.<br />
::: Thanks. Above you should insert your signature as Dave888, so the monitors know I haven't forged your reply!<br />
::: Yesterday I should have closed, "I hope you will check <s>them</s> '''your two'''", because I had already confirmed BACKWARD in the 1881 and 1973[!] editions among others, and fixed 7 reports as BACKWARDS. Sorry to be unclear. (Fixed the 1981 and 1983 eds. of ''Isaac Asimov Presents'' yday, after consultation with User:Markwood, but the 1991 edition awaits my communication with its verifiers. There are other matters to cover, so I postpone it.) <br />
::: [!]Actually User:Username reported the 1973 edition two weeks ago [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Backward(s)]]. There my ISFDB catch-up reading started, after a long week's vacation. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:22, 12 March 2023 (EDT)</div>
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== Narrator template ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Just wanted to let you know that we added a new template to record the narrators for audiobooks (<nowiki>{{Narrator|Stefan Rudnicki}}</nowiki> for example). I changed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?701067 here] and also added the Audible ASIN :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:03, 15 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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:Will you STOP that!!!!! Every time I turn around you people are changing this or updating that! Good Grief, don't you people have lives? I know I don't, but still... Okay, thanks. :) [[User:MLB|MLB]] 17:31, 15 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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:: Naah, not going to stop at all - if we stop, the world will stop turning! And what is that "life" you are talking about? Now you will make me go and pull my dictionaries... :) It is similar to the translator template - the idea is that one day when we have "other people responsible for this work/pub" kind of thing, this will make it easier to find and migrate these. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:36, 15 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Indexes ==<br />
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These should be January-December (the previous year) - look at the few I have on hold - they have the CURRENT ISSUE disambiguation so when you change the year to the previous year, it does not make sense... For example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4168333 this one] should either be "Index (Asimov's, Volume 40, January - December 2016)" or "Index (Asimov's, January-February 2017)" (which means that it is the in Jan/Feb 2017 issue... Making it Jan 2016 does not make sense. Or am I missing something? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:08, 17 January 2019 (EST)<br />
: It was late at night and I was tired. No excuse, but I will fix in a little bit, as I am on my way out of the house. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 11:34, 17 January 2019 (EST)<br />
:: I was wondering if it was not just a half-asleep brain ( mine or yours.) :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:48, 17 January 2019 (EST)<br />
::: The new set you just sent have the same problem: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4169098 this] should either be "January 2015" or "January-December 2014". "January 2014" does not make sense at all for the 2014 list published in January 2015. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:51, 17 January 2019 (EST)<br />
:::: Please tell me I got it right this time. I must be loosing my mind. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:26, 17 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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::::: Yep, perfect - there was a missing comma in one of them but I added it so they line up. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:16, 18 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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== ''Last Dance of the Lochkray'' ==<br />
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Hi, I have put the submissions for this on hold. wondering how it's possible that the review precedes the title by eight years (!?). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:37, 30 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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: I found ~[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17528345-last-dance-of-the-lochkray on Goodreads] that the title was first published in March 2005, and changed the title record as such.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 06:52, 30 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks very much, Dirk. I approved of the submissions. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:12, 30 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov's Readers' Poll Results ==<br />
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While adding the finalists for this year's Asimov's Readers' Poll awards, I noticed that we did not have the full poll results for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?3+2017 2017] nor [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?3+2018 2018]. Unfortunately the magazine's website only lists the winners. The [http://www.sfadb.com/Asimovs_Reader_Poll SFADB] also seems to be missing the full results for 2017 and, curiously, the novella results for 2018 (they have the others). I was wondering if the editorials announcing the results, in the September/October issues for each year, happen to publish the full results. If so, would you mine either updating the awards for those years that we still have as finalists. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:26, 10 February 2019 (EST)<br />
:Holee Kow!!! I've been editing here since 2012 and I didn't even know this was on the site!!! So much to keep learning about ISFDB. Don't even know how to update this. Will start searching immediately. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:58, 10 February 2019 (EST)<br />
::Happy to introduce you to something new. If you have any questions about how to update the awards, feel free to ask. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:08, 10 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== ''Anything But Empty'' ==<br />
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I accepted your edit to add [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?704179 Anything But Empty] to the db, but you will also need to add the short story as contents as this is a chapbook. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 06:32, 15 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Tags for Translator in pub notes ==<br />
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Hi. I thought one was a copy/paste thing, but I've run into another. Don't include <pre><nowiki></pre> and <pre></nowiki></pre> tags around the <pre>{{Tr|xxx}}</pre> (and similar templates) in the notes. These are flagged as not-allowed HTML, and they're not needed. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 22:18, 20 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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::Fine. I was only following instructions from previous moderators. They gave me the formula to follow. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:MLB&action=edit&section=161 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:MLB&action=edit&section=195 here]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 01:04, 21 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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:::It looks like there's been some confusion. The <pre><nowiki></pre> and <pre></nowiki></pre> tags were included to make it (the example template) appear correctly when viewing the template here on your talk page. Those nowiki tags make the wiki (which this talk page is part of) not interpret the <nowiki>{{TR|NAME}}</nowiki> template as an actual template here in the wiki. Only the &#123;&#123;tr|NAME&#125;&#125; part should be used. I hope that makes it more clear. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:36, 21 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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::::Yeah. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:06, 22 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Devil and Daniel Webster ==<br />
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Hi. You entered and verified a copy of the 1965 HRW edition, P{{p|490250}}. <br />
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Concerning whether this is a reprint of the 1937 edition: <br><br />
Moments ago I added the 1st ed. (Countryman Press, 1937) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4205237 submission] from contemporary newspaper coverage mainly, but also a WorldCat record that reports page-span 13-61, which matches your report. See also the last bullet item. <br />
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HRW was created by 1960 merger of Henry Holt, Rinehart & Company (successor to Farrar & Rinehart), and John C. Winston. So it would hold their backlists.<br />
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28-year renewal of the 1937 copyright must be expected in 1965, the year of your publication. But you note that it states only 1937 copyright. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:00, 25 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== ASIN vs Audible ASIN ==<br />
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Hi, I just corrected invalid ASINs for a title where you merged a title, <i>The Bantam: A Phantom Traveler Novella</i>. I assume the wrong codes were either entered by you, or became wrong codes because of the merge. What did I need to correct? There was a ASIN given that was in fact the Audible ASIN and on the palce of the audible ASIN there was a 10-digit string. Both ASIN and Audible ASIn can't be 10-digit strings. The correct ASIN for 'The Bantam: A Phantom Traveler Novella' is B078VTQWL2 (see the ebook), the correct Audible ASIN is B07N49BHWZ (see the audiobook). Now I'm left with '1551171342' which is not a OCLC number, nor an ISBN. Do you have a clue?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 05:16, 27 February 2019 (EST)<br />
:No. Get rid of it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 06:36, 27 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Buy or Die: There Cometh a Time of Ruthless Advertising ==<br />
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All looking [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?289681 better]) now. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:13, 15 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Five Victorian Ghost Novels ==<br />
: 1. A\The Phantom Lover<br />
Hi. You verified this 1971 Dover omnibus in some undated printing, P{{p|381181}}. Please check whether it does contain "A Phantom Lover" under variant title "The Phantom Lover". The library records we cite for the original 1971 printing both show the original title "A Phantom Lover": LCCN 77-102771, which you cite in the Notes, and WorldCat [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/876263121 OCLC 876263121], indirectly in a quoted 2018 GoodReads review. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:28, 18 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
: British Library also reports "A Phantom Lover", [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?vid=BLVU1&docId=BLL01000375769 BL 000375769].<br />
: 2. The Amber Witch. We should also know what info Dover provides concerning this text of "The Amber Witch" --translator, year, and more if available. Sources differ concerning the year and we have both 1844 and 1846 titles in the database, T{{t|1365996}} as a NOVEL and T{{t|1146197}} as a short story. (Our one publication record for the latter shows that the work must be a short story, most likely an excerpt from one unrevised translation --or minimally revised, to present the excerpt adequately by itself.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:13, 19 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Okay, this is one of my first edits on this site and a lot of crap has has happened around here since then, including two deaths, and a lot of sicknesses, so to be honest, I don't, at present, know where that volume is at. I'll look for the book, but, it'll take a while. Change what you think needs changing, and I'll go on a scavenger hunt when I can, and when I find that book I'll fix anything that needs fixing. I'll change the verification in the meantime. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 17:28, 19 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: I am sorry to read about all that. I am familiar only with the part about owning books that are not at hand, so I don't do much verification here. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:18, 20 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Allan Quatermain ==<br />
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Here P{{p|578321}} is one that you are likely to recall, I infer from your deliberate publication Note, "Misspells Quatermain's name as Quartermain on the cover" (with image that shows that stray 'r' on the spine). To me you imply correct spelling on the title page, so that the publication title and NOVEL title as "Quartermain" are mistakes, for your F. M. Lupton edition.<br />
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We have several publications of that NOVEL with two spelling errors in the title, "Allan Qua'''r'''termain: Being an'''d''' Account", presumably propagated by copy-paste from no more than one intentional entry of a mis-spelling. I don't propose to touch yours unless you recall that no mis-spelling is intentional. <br />
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If/when you find the book, it may provide helpful information about the publisher [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?34550 F. M. Lupton] --most likely a street address. I have 7 different ones from 1880s to 1900s, gathered today in somewhat-related research. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 20 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Carmilla'' ==<br />
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Sorry, but I was the one who corrected the erroneous submission for an ANTHOLOGY. This is impossible per ISFDB standard. I'll wait until tomorrow but it seems that a new erroneous submission would have to be rejected. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:14, 29 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Well, this is certainly not a chapbook, so how does one list it? Maybe as a collaboration? One piece of fiction by one author, in a book filled by different authors certainly seems to fit the definition of an anthology to me, even if the other pieces are there to explore the themes of that one piece of fiction. Anyway, I'm not being hostile, I truly would like to know how to list this type of book, as there are plenty of them out there. I have read books like this dealing with Lovecraft, and James' '''''The Turn of the Screw'''''.<br />
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:This also leads up to a second question. There are a '''''LOT''''' of sequels, prequels, and spinoffs of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?96251 Carmilla]. They should be put into a series, but ''Carmilla'' is already part of a series . . . so how would one go about organizing these stories. Some of this is above my pay grade y'know. Maybe "Carmilla Universe", and then make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?24020 Martin Hesselius] the parent series? Just trying to be a better editor. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:14, 29 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::It really seems to be a CHAPBOOK: after all the shortfiction by Le Fanu (who is defined as author as per title page and cover) takes more than half of the space (ANTHOLOGY is ruled out per our definition of it). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:06, 30 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::Yeah, but half the space, it's a '''two hundred page''' book, is taken up by extraneous material. This is not just a couple of forewords or afterwords. These are full-length articles/criticisms. I can't see a two-hundred page book filled with multiple authors rendered down to a chapbook. Still, I'm just a lowly editor, but, the rules are the rules, and if the rules say it's so, what do I know. Time to move on. Lots of indie authors that need to be on this site. I think. No big deal. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:33, 30 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Carol Singer ==<br />
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A quick question about your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?486645 "The Carol Singer"] by {{A|Chris Fox}}. The Locus Index [http://www.locusmag.com/index/s250.htm#A5484 says] that it is the same story as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1326234 "The Carol Singer"] by {{A|Chris Naylor}} which appeared in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?361296 ''The Young Oxford Book of Christmas Stories''] in 2001. However, the Naylor story is currently listed as having been first published in 1988 while our database record says that the Fox story was first published in December 1998.<br />
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When you have a free moment, could you please check your chapbook to see if it contains anything that may shed additional light on this issue? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:08, 30 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: I'll look, but it wouldn't matter I fear, the pamphlet was just some loosely folded pages that were meant as a give-away. As I stated in my note, there is no date. I got it when a story of mine was rejected. If other sources state that the original publishing date is 1988, then that's what it is. However, shouldn't the Fox and Naylor pages be merged? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:19, 30 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: Well, the fact there was another "Chris Fox" active around the same time made me wonder if Locus may have been mistaken. My thinking was "Perhaps the two ''Carol Singers'' shorts are two separate stories by two different authors". However, their theme is the same, the word count is close - 2 pages vs. 4 unnumbered pages -- and the [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/s/s3039.htm#A69379 FictionMag Index] also thinks that Chris Naylor used "Chris Fox" as a pseudonym in the late 1990s and early 2000s. I ended up creating VT/pseudonym associations for the two stories. Now to make sure that our bibliography of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?255402 latest addition] to the "Chris Fox" brigade is up to date. No rest for the wicked :-) Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:35, 30 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Signal Red'' ==<br />
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Hi Mark, I accepted your edit to add [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?710478 Signal Red], but I'm bothered by "Penguin Global" as the publisher as I can't find reference anywhere to this being an actual Penguin imprint. Amazon Look Inside shows the pub as having "First published by Penguin Books India 2005" on the copyright page. Can you clarify where Penguin Global comes from? Also, the ISBN-13 is for publications from 2007 onwards. The pre-2007 ISBN-10 for this pub is 0143032623 (according to Amazon). Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 23:35, 2 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Images ==<br />
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Cover images should be uploaded using the "Upload new cover scan" option on the publication. If you are adding a new publication, you should wait for the publication to added and then upload it using the link. The link will properly name the image as well as apply the correct templates. When uploading non-cover images directly to the wiki, you need to manually apply a license tag to the image. [[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki]] provides instructions for this. Looking at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&contribs=user&target=MLB&namespace=6 your contributions], you have a lot of images that need to be fixed. Please go through your history and apply the proper templates. If they are not appropriately marked, they are not complaint with copyright. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:53, 24 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Well, somebody should have explained this before. But, ignorance is no excuse for incompetence, so if you go [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Trevor.jpg here] could you check and see if I’m doing it right? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 01:02, 25 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Wiki edits are not moderated. Unfortunately, that means things like this can be missed for awhile.<br />
::As for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Image%3ATrevor.jpg&diff=547445&oldid=547431 this edit], that is not sufficient. You need to edit the page and add an appropriate image license template (they are listed in the help page I linked above). For this author image, I would assume you would use the fair use one ([[:Template:Author Image Data]]), but you need to pick the correct one based on the true copyright status (so fair use, by permission, public domain, create commons, etc.). Once you pick the right license, go to the license template page (they are all linked on the help page) and it will give you the instructions for what you need to enter on the image page. <br />
::I moved your post from my talk page to here. It is easier to keep conversation grouped and I have watchlisted this page. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:55, 25 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::This all boils down to whether or not I understand computerese. Perhaps I overstepped myself. Well, okay, I <b>DID</b> overstep my boundaries. I did [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Author_Image_Data-CC3/Doc#Parameter_definitions this] but I know its wrong, and/or I don't know how to link it to anything. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:14, 25 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::Sorry for not making it simpler. You don't edit the template page. You edit the image page and copy the template to it. So edit [[:Image:Trevor.jpg]] and replace the text contents with:<br />
:::::<code><nowiki>{{Author Image Data</nowiki></code><br />
:::::<code><nowiki>|Name=Trevor Quachri</nowiki></code><br />
:::::<code><nowiki>|Source=[https://www.analogsf.com/from-the-editor/ Analog Science Fiction and Fact website]</nowiki></code><br />
:::::<code><nowiki>}}</nowiki></code><br />
::::That will add the template, with the correct parameters filled in, to the image page. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:09, 25 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::::Well, it looks like your job is still safe from me. It all seems like magic to me, but is this correct now? Sorry to take so long. I got caught by some ransomware. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:51, 1 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Yes, it's correct. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:54, 2 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Girl Who Was Burned Alive ==<br />
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In {{P|414768|Tales of Magic and Mystery, March 1928}}, the essay {{T|1606983|The Girl Who Was Burned Alive}} is credited to {{A|Howard Thurston}}, but varianted as by {{A|Walter B. Gibson}}. However, Thurston and Gibson are different people. As there no note indicating the pub had an incorrect credit, is this variant correct? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:52, 4 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
:I know nothing. I was looking at somebody's messages and they had mentioned that Gibson had ghost written Thurston's stuff. I'm more that willing to be wrong about this, but see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?673631 this] from where I checked. If you want to change it back, I'm fine with it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 16:28, 4 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
::I've seen sources saying that Gibson ghostwrote two of Thurston's magic books. This is entered as an essay. Is that correct? Does it say it's by the magician (as apposed to another Thurston) or state it's reprinted from somewhere? Also, the one pub has it listed as "Burned Alive" and the other "Buried Alive". Can you double check that as well? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:44, 11 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::The pulps were pretty shifty when it came to giving credit where credit was due. So I don't know if the Thurston article was an article or an excerpt. This is something that an expert in magic could tell you, which I am not. But, I suspect that if Gibson ghost-wrote Thurston's books, then he probably did Thurston's articles as well. My copy is in storage, but Amazon states that the article is '''''BURNED''''' alive, and I copied my submission directly from the replica itself (which I got for the Lovecraft story). Being unable to drive, when I can get to my storage container I'll double check, but not right away. Family, you can't choose 'em. Again, until there is proof positive, maybe the article should be changed back to just '''''Thurston''''' with a note on the writer's page. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:46, 11 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::I have merged the two stories under "Burned" since that is what you verified it as. However, please double check when you have a chance. Other sources quote it as "Buried" and Amazon listings are not the most accurate. I found other sources that state this was ghostwritten so I have left the variant in place with a note to that affect. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:36, 12 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Thanks for Noticing ==<br />
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Nice of you to notice I became a moderator. Thank you. I think it would have been impossible if Michael Hutchins was still active; he and I fought constantly when I first started participating. But Ron Kihara and I got together at the Windy City Pulp and Paperback <br />
Show this year, and he offered to nominate me. I was curious to see what would happen, and lo and behold, now I'm a moderator. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 13:57, 14 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Well, we keep running into each other when it comes to pulp fiction and the small presses. I just wish I had the money, and room around here, to buy more. Good luck. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:36, 15 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Doubled back cover ==<br />
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Hi, there were two of them [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?598348 here]. I dropped the incorrect one and put the other one into the page count. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:42, 20 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== HTML coding ==<br />
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Hi, can you please take a look at how to <i><b>properly</b></i> make a [https://www.homeandlearn.co.uk/WD/wds2p4.html bold italic text using html]? I have corrected umpteen of these today.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 22:17, 29 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Now I know. No hard feelings. Always willing to learn to do better. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:26, 29 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
::I hope that I got my last two entries correct this time. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:56, 29 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::No problems with the HTML. If only you'd stop using double bullets....--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 04:51, 30 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::Mom said I'd be trouble when I grew up. I'll try harder. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:53, 30 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== "War of the Giant Apes" merge ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your {{T|192349|War of the Giant Apes}} merge, but the submission had an issue with the length. It wanted to lose the SHORTFICTION/novella length in favor of NOVEL, but the record is a variant of another SHORTFICTION/novella parent, so that would have been a mismatch. I took a look at the appearances and only verification we have, and it seemed to me that SHORTFICTION/novella is likely the correct length, so I put that back. If it should be NOVEL, multiple edits will be needed to produce a consistent result, plus checking with the primary verifier for the one verified appearance. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 06:50, 7 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Any way you want it. I really didn't know how to merge Alexander Blade, as no real author was credited with it, so I took a leap of faith, and tried to figure it out. Having never seen a copy of either the book or the magazine (Amazing Stories), I can't verify anything except what the ERBville site states. If they discover oil on my property then I can afford to buy everything that catches my fancy, but until then . . . [[User:MLB|MLB]] 15:55, 7 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Novels in Magazines ==<br />
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I'm going to reject your two edits to change the title type of two stories ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2568978] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2568988]) to novels. When a novel appears in a single installment in a magazine, we treat it as a serial instead of a novel. Additionally, the title should be changed by appending "(Complete Novel)". This is described under Title->Serials and Title Type->SERIAL in [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular Titles|this]] help section. I did approve the variant relationship for these two titles, but you'll need to change these to titles to SERIALs. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:08, 8 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== ISBN ==<br />
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Hi, I think you ought to read [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number this] before entering more errors in the ISBN field (like Barnes & Noble id nos.).--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:02, 17 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
:So...Nook Books shouldn't be entered? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:53, 17 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Tek covers ==<br />
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Hi. I replaced the cover on {{P|34667|Tek Secret}} with one having a slightly higher resolution. Jack [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 15:05, 23 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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Hi. I replaced the cover on {{P|34670|Tek Vengence}} with one having a slightly higher resolution. Jack [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 15:15, 23 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, thanks. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:29, 23 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's Science Fiction, May-June 2019 ==<br />
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Hi<br />
the listing for "The Doing an Undoing of Jacob E. Mwangi" seems to be a typo, it should be "The Doing <b>and</b> Undoing of Jacob E. Mwangi". http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714074 So I'll change it if you don't mind. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 23:14, 25 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Okay. Just got out of the hospital, so I couldn't right back to you. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:40, 27 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Ty Game'' in 2014 ==<br />
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Hello, I think you are responsible for the addition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?721115 this]? If, so, could it be that it is erroneous? I can't find any sign of the publication in the given source Dogpatch Press, and the Wikipedia entry states this as a 2018 title (not 2014). Can you take a closer look? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:30, 30 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Okay, eliminate it. I was juggling several screens at once, and I must of mistaken [https://dogpatch.press/2015/05/15/dude-wheres-my-fox/ this page] for for the Ty page, as I entered both on this site at nearly the same time. Very sorry. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 03:22, 30 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== I Will Follow to Eternity and Beyond ==<br />
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When the source is Goodreads, please do not forget to add the GR number to the record (we have an External ID for those). Can you find it again and add it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?722938 here]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:06, 12 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: I stopped adding them when they stopped going anywhere. I'll add the only number that I can find. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 17:11, 12 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: What do you mean? The GR ones are pretty stable in my experience. If you find one that does not lead anywhere even though you are seeing it, please ping me - maybe we need to change the way we build the URL? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:15, 12 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Zombie Bigfoot ==<br />
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"7 hours and 55 minutes, or 396 minutes in listening length." -- these two cannot be right at the same time [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?722952 here]. 475 minutes is not the same as 396 minutes... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:32, 12 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Your right, where did I get 396???? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 17:36, 12 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== His for the Claiming ==<br />
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Did you do an Edit by mistake [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4329398 here] instead of Clone? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:12, 12 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Yes. Sorry. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:57, 12 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: no worries. I rejected it and did a proper cloning so we are all set. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:34, 15 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 14:32, 15 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Eshm ==<br />
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Does [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?295985 this author] really has (I) in his legal name? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:51, 19 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:The reason that I did that is because this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?171389 Ron Fleshman] started publishing in the nineties, and this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?295985 Ron Fleshman] was publishing fan art in the fifties, and I didn’t want them confused. Maybe I was wrong, feel free to correct if need be. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 16:02, 19 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: We do not differentiate in the legal name - it is literally the person name. We can add a note to explain it is a different Fleshman - I will do that.<br />
::: Now I know. Won't happen again. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 16:17, 19 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::: It is not a problem -- [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?295985 and done] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:25, 19 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== To the Dark Tower ==<br />
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Found the cover artist Lou Marchetti of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287890 this pub] on [http://loumarchetti.com/Art_files/Gothic/Assorted/Assorted_G&R.html artists website]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 18:02, 23 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Capitalization (and accents) variation in author credits ==<br />
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Hi. It's futile to try to make a title record that has an author credit differing only in capitalization or diacriticals/accents from an existing author record that is otherwise spelled the same. The software matches what you have provided to the existing entry -- despite those differences -- and uses the existing entry, essentially ignoring your variations. So the only way to have one title with LaDonna instead of Ladonna is to change the canonical author record to use LaDonna. Then all titles will have LaDonna instead of Ladonna. It's not currently possible to have some as LaDonna and others as Ladonna. I will take a look and see about changing the author record if LaDonna is predominant among the appearances of the titles we have. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:29, 11 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
:I edited the author record and changed it to LaDonna. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:38, 11 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Y'know, I wasn't trying to cause trouble, all I was trying to do put down her name as she lists it. Didn't know the trouble I was causing. Sorry. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:48, 11 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::Oh, it wasn't any trouble. Just one of those ISFDB quirks that bites people, and it looked like you didn't know about it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 06:33, 13 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wish List ==<br />
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In http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?422660 you credit the cover to "Keijiro Komine". Is this stated in the book? Can you add a pub note about it? I'd like to copy that information to other pubs with the same cover. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] 05:39, 18 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
:My health has been going sidewise for a while now and people have been shifting some of my stuff around, and during a recent hospital stay some stuff got really messed up. So, I don't really know where this book is. What I know is that Keijiro Komine is a real photographer and some of his stuff can be found on Getty Images. I also know that I wouldn't have listed Komine's name unless it had been mentioned in the book in someway. Until I find it I'll temp verify this book, although none of this answers your questions. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:21, 19 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== "The Waters of a New World" submission ==<br />
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Hi. The submission I have on hold is presented as if the author is being changed, but it's being changed to the same author, so it's effectively doing nothing. I can't tell what you intended, so I decided to hold it and have you take a look in case something got lost. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:25, 22 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
:No, my computer, stooopid computer, ate my first draft of this submission, so I quickly, and carelessly, did it a second time, leaving several mistakes in my wake. Most were corrected by the editor, but I mistakenly thought this author's name was not corrected, so I corrected a correction. Hardly a great mystery for the ages, but an explanation none-the-less. Hope this helps. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 14:16, 22 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Oriental Stories ==<br />
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Apparently it contained enough of our stories to have been considered genre and Miller/Contento added at last some issues to the checklists. So... guess it is one of ours :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:44, 6 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Okay [[User:MLB|MLB]] 17:47, 6 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for adding all those reprints! We need them in the DB - although I did not need to know that they existed... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:48, 6 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Well, I'm not gonna read them all, but it's good to know that this part of early American puplishing is easily available to readers again. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:02, 6 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Protoplasmic Station ==<br />
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OK - I thought that we have the 2 separate reprint merged but apparently not. What are you trying to do [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4390091 here exactly]? The unmerge you sent will split the short story into separate copies which is not what you are trying to do I think. The story is in one anthology [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2562143 here] and one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61709 magazine]. I know that some are reprinted twice - and these are in separate series the way you organize them but this one seems to have only one reprint. So... what are you trying to split from what? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:08, 7 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?598348 Same here] - the "Thrilling Wonder Stories, April 1937" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?598348 this one] is the only publication on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2103908 this title]. You can change the series if it is wrong but there is nothing to split... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:11, 7 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Somebody tinkered with the ''Adventure House facsimile reprints'' and ''Pulp Tales Press Facsimile Reprints'' of the '''''Thrilling Wonder Facsimile Reprints''''' and combined them into one series (''Thrilling Wonder Stories (reprints)''). I was trying to keep things more organized. I created one series and carried on from an unknown editor with the other. I just want to put everything else in order. It's a bit tricky when dealing with magazines. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:37, 7 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: So what I thought initially except in the wrong record. There are two problems:<br />
::: Pulp ones and the Adventure ones are mixed in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?54588 this series] - so go through them and update the Pulp ones to get them out.<br />
::: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2609081 this one] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2609082 this one] were mixed with their counterparts so I pulled them out. <br />
::: I will let you fix the series inside of the series and on these two. Maybe Pub Series would have worked better here but let's untangle and we will see after that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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== Editor Dates reminder ==<br />
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When you are making the yearly records for a magazine (the "Name - Year" naming), don't forget to fix the date as well - it should be yyyy-00-00 and not the month for whatever issue the record starts as. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:42, 7 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Okay. Missed that. Still learning. Your job is entirely safe. For now. :) [[User:MLB|MLB]] 17:45, 7 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Renaming series ==<br />
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Moderators can rename series if needed - just ask on the Moderator board or on whoever is online's Talk page - no need to update a lot of publications if all of them just need to have the series renamed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:46, 8 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Now you tell me. Anyway, thanks for the help over the last couple of days. I hope you're having a good weekend. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:50, 8 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Well, I approved them, figured I should mention there is another option. Had been hiding from the heat mostly. Hope you are feeling better :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:59, 8 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Open Letter to the World ==<br />
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Are you sure that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2610152 this] is a story? We have a same-named [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?127911 essay]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:46, 8 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:I am such a NON-fan of this author, so I got sloppy. I'll fix. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:33, 8 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Jane Donawerth ==<br />
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Considering the volume of reviews, I think we should flip the canonical name of the author to the name used in this book :). Do you want to do it or do you want me to do it? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:30, 9 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Go right ahead. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:32, 9 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Done :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:42, 9 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanx! [[User:MLB|MLB]] 01:21, 10 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Cloning back in time and contents ==<br />
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Just a quick reminder - when cloning to create an older edition, the contents of the book also need to have their dates changed. "Visionary II" for example seems to have all of its content original to it (so all internal contents match the date of the edition) - so when you cloned, it would have left the e-book with all titles after the pub date. And if the clone goes before an update, you need to do it one by one. So I changed all dates (via editPub - only 1 pub added so they could be changed that way in bulk) and then approved the clone) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:59, 15 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Now I know. I thought that if you changed the date on the book it automatically changed the date of the stories. Shows how little I know. Your job is still safe. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:05, 15 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Only if you empty the date fields so it can self-populate - then it gets it from the pub date. Changing the date of the anthology title record changes only that record. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:07, 15 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Weird prices ==<br />
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When you see a weird price like $13.21 and so on on a self-published or small press book, take a look at the other Amazons - UK, AU or CA. Usually it turns out that it is one of theirs and it has a nice round-ish price there. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?733150 This one] for example is a UK publication - so the price looks better in their currency. I changed it and updated your note with the details. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:09, 15 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Now I know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:17, 15 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Small authors and all that ==<br />
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As you are working on authors very orderly, do you think that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Fixer/Public this] may help you? Basically we have tens of thousands of ISBNs and ASINs that need processing - and Fixer can dump all he knows about an author in a list so an editor can work through them. Fixer also has ASIN only lists (no ISBN books) and I am sure he can also dump these if need be. You still may need to chase an edition or 10 but you will get a starting list. If you do not think that it will be helpful, no reason to participate but thought I should mention it. Fixer takes requests for authors/publishers if you are interested :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:35, 15 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Due to my disability I can't always get to my own books. So, I decided to start adding the smaller writers to this site because nobody else was. I'll look at this list and see what I can do. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:17, 16 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: You can also ask for a list for one of the authors you want to add (or find online or whatever) -- no need to work on a pre-existing list if nothing appeals. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:24, 16 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Typo in Nate Southard's Selected Stories? ==<br />
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Can you check the last word [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2615140 here] (Bottle. Paper. Samuri.)? Because we have a story with similar spelling [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2189174 here](Bottle. Paper. Samurai.). I suspect that they are the same story? :) <br />
PS: I edited [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2615132 this one] to capitalize "Is". Thanks for adding all of these! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:30, 16 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: You're right. A typo. Will fix. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:24, 16 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! I merged it with its mate. I was actually just about to come ask you about the date update you just rejected - I had been fixing the dates before approving the clones (sorry, habit when I do not see a Title update in the queue - in case you wonder how the dates changed) and that one looked to be for the wrong book :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:11, 16 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Lights Out pub date change ==<br />
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Are you sure about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4404685 this one]? [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1621050947 Amazon] supports the later date. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:11, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:Go [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23561962-lights-out here]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:16, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::Forgot to list Goodreads as a source. Sorry. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:17, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::Oh I see what I did wrong. Will fix. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:18, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::: (as I was typing while you were figuring it out, I will leave it here anyway): But this GR record is for "Hardcover, Black Voltage Edition, signed limited to 60 numbered copies" and not the tp. GR still shows the [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18056384-lights-out tp] with the 2013 date. Or am I misreading this? Looks like the one you have is ok, you just found another edition that needs adding. Isn't it fun sometimes? :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:22, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Isn't [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18056384-lights-out this one] that you pointed out to me, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?422337 this one]? Not mine. This one was already here. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:41, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Indeed :) I think we have them all now. Thanks for rechecking! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:49, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Lady Dragon ==<br />
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You edited instead of cloning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4409842 here] so I rejected it after verifying that tp edition really exists. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:31, 20 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Future Dyke ==<br />
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I approved the renames based on Amazon and Worldcat as well but something kept bugging me and I went looking deeper. The author calls it FutureDyke on her FB page and the write up on her on [https://www.bellabooks.com/category/Bella-Author-Lea-Daley/ Bella Books] does not have a space. Neither do the Strange Horizon review: [http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/reviews/futuredyke-by-lea-daley/ here] and the Lambda awards nominees [https://www.lambdaliterary.org/27th-annual-lambda-literary-award-finalists/ announcement]. So I am starting to think that there is no space in there. What do you think? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:55, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:I don't know, but I guess that the author and publisher should be listened to before anybody else. You want me to change them? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 03:02, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Nah, I will do it - I should have checked better before approving :)<br />
::: The deed is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1980505 done]. I will also see if I can get my library to get me an ILL copy of that book (because they do not have it) so I can look at that title page (I really do not like mysteries like that) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:17, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible typo ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2617874 Here]. Foreward or Foreword? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:11, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== FaçadesPublication ==<br />
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Are you sure about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?735371 this one]? The cover looks wrong in both Amazon and GR for the e-version and the LCCN and OCLC are for the paperback, not the e-version. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:44, 23 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay here is the [https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51v74-ykD-L.jpg e-book] and the [https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51wIzWnl3oL._SX316_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg paperback] versions of the covers and I can't see any difference. Do you want me to delete the LCCN and OCLC? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 01:11, 23 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: One looks black (the paperback one), the other one faded and/or grey to me. I usually change the link to Amazon between versions of the book even if they look exactly the same - using what Amazon had attached to that version specifically. This way I do not need to decide if they are the same - if it is there, it belongs to the book :)<br />
:: For the LCCN and OCLC - yes - they do not belong to this book so they should not be in its external IDs. And looking at other [https://www.worldcat.org/title/facades/oclc/663952950/editions?referer=di&editionsView=true editions in WorldCat], there is no OCLC record for the ebook at all. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:18, 23 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::It's just a bad scan. But I'll change it 'cuz you're the boss. I'll fix the other stuff too. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 01:22, 23 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::: You are most likely correct :) But if we link to the same Amazon image and it decides to disappear (things happen albeit extremely rarely with these images), we will lose the cover for more than one book. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:01, 23 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== A Matter of Degrees ==<br />
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Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?START=0&TYPE=Publication&USE_1=pub_isbn&OPERATOR_1=exact&TERM_1=9781560236115&ORDERBY=pub_title&C=AND these] (in the morning...) :) ? They share an ISBN, one is pb and the rest tp but with the same number of pages. It looks a bit weird. I will also check them again in the morning - I won't recognize a correct ISBN if it bites me at the moment anymore... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:47, 23 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, first of all [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82169 this one] is not mine. I couldn't track it down, but somebody had a reference for it, so I left it alone. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 03:31, 23 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?735299 one] is copied from [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/441953 here] and [https://www.amazon.com/Matter-Degrees-Alex-Marcoux-2006-06-01/dp/B01FGLE38C/ref=tmm_mmp_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1569223183&sr=8-1 here]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 03:31, 23 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Deserted Echo ==<br />
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Updated the publisher for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?737045 this one] from Sapphire Books to Sapphire Books Publishing - we already had 9 under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?45497 Sapphire Books Publishing] and [https://www.fantasticfiction.com/s/linda-kay-silva/deserted-echo.htm Fantastic Fiction] also has the publishing and the rest of her books are under that name (Although this is straight from Amazon so who knows). We can always swap the publisher name if we ever see a title page and see how they call themselves... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:12, 1 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Okay. Now I know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:27, 1 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Demon within ==<br />
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About that last rejection. Apparently an earlier update went awry - the new date was in the pages field. :) once I saw it, I edited and readjusted all dates. Should be looking all done now. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 07:17, 2 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover design vs Cover artist ==<br />
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Hi Mark,<br />
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The current practice (and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt the help page] - see the last sentence in the Artist section) is to record the cover artist (if any) in the Coverart record and the cover designer only in the notes (So no artist, no coverart for that specific book). [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?152638 This one] seems to have only a credit for a design, not for the art (unless I missed it somewhere) <br />
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And yeah - we do have enough designers all over the place but if discovered by a PV or someone checking, they get ejected and asked to vacate the premises... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:58, 3 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:Ummm, the page that you've directed me to, was my page. Nothing personal towards me, but Mark Louis Baumgart ain't no artist, and I ain't saying that to hurt my own feelings. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 01:07, 3 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: How did that happen and what did I click on/copied while passing through your main page in wiki to get to this one - I swear, my mouse pad has a mind of its own. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?737370 This] is what I was going for... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:21, 3 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing dates ==<br />
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When trying to re-date a complete book (with contents), doing just [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4425747 this] is not enough to change the contents dates. Every item that already has a date keeps its original date (unlike the case when you are adding a new publication and we populate automatically). <br />
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What needs to be done is to edit every field which has the old date and put in a new date (next to the cover image if any and next to each content item). If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?735620 edit screen], see all those "2019-09-02" in the contents section? They all need changing. I restored the date to the publication itself (because the paperback is on the second, it is the only date that does not need changing :)<br />
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If I approve the clone now, then we will need to update each of these titles one by one. So I will keep the clone on hold for now - would you like to try to submit the complete PubEdit and then I will approve the clone after that. Alternatively I can do the complete PubEdit this time and you can just keep that in mind for the future. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 3 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: Please stop. You do NOT need to update every title separately yet. Please read what I explained above and let me know if it is not clear so I can explain again. When an anthology/collection has only 1 publication and its stories are not reprinted, you can change the date of the complete contents with 1 edit. I will approve what you are doing now but at least look at the alternative I am offering.... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:48, 3 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: I think that I misunderstood. I'll cancel what I've done, and change what you want. Let's hope I get it right this time. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:55, 3 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::: Sorry about that - I tried to explain as well as I could... That was almost perfect. You missed one - the collection Title record itself - after the publication is created, the publication and the title are separate entities with separate dates. I fixed that now (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4425839 this submission] so now I can approve the clone. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:07, 3 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Touch of Shadow ==<br />
<br />
Hello again, <br />
<br />
Did some changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?737439 this one] - see the last note in the list and the new series name. Feel free to edit again if you want. I have no idea where Amazon pulled the original title from "Touch of Shadow: A Baylee Scott Paranormal Mystery: October" (the October part is nowhere on the title page...). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:25, 3 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: I suspect that Amazon often lists products early, and when the final product is available they don't bother changing the pre-production proofs. I'd like to know why books often have two different covers, one on Goodreads and one on Amazon. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:40, 3 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: With e-books, sometimes it is because it was reissued silently... With paperbooks - sometimes either Amazon or GR has a much earlier record and it never gets fixed. Between small presses and older books, you will see everything (as you know...) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:45, 3 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::: Then there are those print-on-demand vanity presses that seem to revise contents, or change covers on a whim! Aaaarrrrggghhh! [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:48, 3 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I've been adding some smaller authors lately as well so yeah... it is a nightmare. The modern days of publishing I guess. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:10, 3 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Time for another archive? ==<br />
<br />
Can we archive the older messages from this page? The thing is getting too long (I know, I am to blame mostly) :) <br />
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Let me know if you need assistance with that! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:56, 3 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: Okay. I am embarrassed to state that I've forgotten how to do it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:15, 3 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: Do you want me to give you the step by step or to do it for you? Or both? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:27, 3 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::: Step by step, I have to know how to do it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:29, 3 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::::* Open a new page for the archive. The easiest way is to go to your old archives and open the last one. Then look at the browser address bar. Your latest ends up in "2016Jul-Dec" ([http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:MLB/Archive/2016Jul-Dec this one]. Change that last part 2016Jul-Dec to something else. 2017-2018 for example. Or whatever you want it to be called<br />
::::* It will show you the "There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page." message. Click on "edit this page". <br />
::::* In a separate browser tab or browser, press Edit on your main talk page (which will open [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:MLB&action=edit this]. Now move all the messages you want from this one into the one that we opened before. Leave the very first line in place (as it points to your archive page). <br />
::::* When you are done moving messages, save both pages. Use "Show Preview to make sure it looks as you want it to.<br />
::::* Now get to your main archive page [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MLB/Archive here] and press Edit at the top<br />
::::* Copy the very last line one more time at the bottom and edit it: Now the last component is "2016Jul-Dec Archives: January-June 2017". Replace "2016Jul-Dec" with whatever you typed in the first step and the thing after the : is for your reference soup to you<br />
::::* Save this one and you are all set. <br />
:::: If something goes wrong we have revert so we can easily restore and try again and I am here if you need me :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:57, 3 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It took a while, but I think I got it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:08, 4 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ghost and the Cigarette: An Anthology ==<br />
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I would usually drop "An Anthology" from such titles but if you keep it, it is treated as a subtitle - so first word is always capitalized. Fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?737720 here] :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:42, 4 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:Somebody did a real bad job on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4427530 Spells and Jinglebells], I tried to correct much of it, but I made some fresh ones. Will correct them if my submission is accepted. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:08, 5 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: Approved and fixed a few I saw. All yours again. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:18, 5 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Has Anyone Seen My Brain? ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2627214 This] title made me smile every time I saw it in the queue tonight... :) Thanks for that! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:38, 7 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: :). [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:39, 7 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Collected Supernatural and Weird Fiction of Hugh Walpole: Volume 1 ==<br />
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Are you sure about the series name change [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4430359 here]? It will make it different from the publisher name. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:17, 7 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:That is a typo. Sorry. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:42, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved for the contents and restored the series name. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:27, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Infernal ==<br />
<br />
Look inside on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?738143 this one] shows a separate ISBN for the e-edition so I added it after you removed the printed one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:59, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Dead: Revelations ==<br />
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Are you sure that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4436718 this] is not the same as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?432772 this] (with the different cover as seems to be usual for this publisher's records...)? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:46, 14 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:I'm sure of nothing. All I know is that one was published before the other and has a different cover. One could easily be a pre-publication mock-up and then the publication date was changed. But the page count is also diffent, but font size could easily account for that. Do what you will. Self-published book publishers--meh! [[User:MLB|MLB]] 01:04, 15 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: damned if you do, damned if you don't :) Approved it -- guess we will consider the "pre-pub" or whatever and not just wacky first day of the month used as a placeholder :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:06, 15 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Import ==<br />
<br />
We have this very nice Import function that allows you not to type and then we do not even need to merge all those titles :) Signed: Your friendly neighborhood merging moderator :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:54, 15 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:MOM! [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:20, 15 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, I'll do that. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:20, 15 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks! With anthologies and collections looking up all stories takes awhile (and I usually end up typing and merging unless there are a lot of them and easily reachable) but with omnibuses, the titles are right there :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:55, 15 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Dead: The Geeks ==<br />
<br />
Before I forget to mention it again - I had been adding the Audible ASINs to the audible books you are adding, such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?739536 this one]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:07, 16 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks for adding them in the new books you are adding now :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:22, 16 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dead Universe ==<br />
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Now you have 2 series at #1. Planning to move one of them elsewhere? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:59, 18 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Four in the Hole ==<br />
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Do you have a wrong image or a wrong artist [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1333142 here]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:24, 18 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: **BANG**BANG**BANG** That's me banging my head against the wall. Now my head hurts. I've fixed the mistake. Sorry! [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:29, 18 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Ouch. Poor wall :) No worries :) Second set of eyes and all that :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:32, 18 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Price for Chivalry Is Dead ==<br />
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Are you sure that the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?740693 here] is indeed $2.99? Copy/paste mishap? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:50, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:Uhmm, well shucks ma'am, ya caught me. I cloned from the e-book edition, and forgot to change the price. The book is out-of-print, so I removed the print pricing. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:20, 22 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Devildog Press ==<br />
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You found a book by this publisher that is not by Mark Tufo? :) Interesting :) And I fixed the capitalization of "A God in a House of Crosses" after I approved it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:22, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: Like May December Publishing, Devildog Press may have started out as a vanity press and then just branched out to other authors. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:29, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Most likely :) Still surprised me. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:57, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Brimstone Bride ==<br />
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Hi, as you are the sole PV, could you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?638286 this omnibus'] publisher? I suspect that ''Harlequin Nocturne'' is a pub series, rather than a publisher. My guess is it should be just ''Harlequin''. If not, perhaps some clarifications in the notes may help :) Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:45, 31 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:Fixed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:22, 1 November 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Doctor Death, February 1935 ==<br />
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Can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?564812 this one]? Seems like we have some stories twice? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:07, 5 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Just did it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:15, 5 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! :) All approved and the ejected empty stories were mopped up. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:23, 5 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: I suspect that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1987629 this] is work in progress so I will let you finish it but just so we do not forget it: if we have different editors, we need to split the editor record. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:46, 5 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::: Go to [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/CFI/t60.htm#A984 this page], and [http://philsp.com/data/data015.html#ALLDETECTIVEMAGAZINE this page] for further verification<br />
::::: So we need Mowre on both issues plus the editor. Are you changing them or do you want me to? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:24, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Moving the conversation ==<br />
<br />
Hi, <br />
Do you mind if I move your post from the Help page to the Moderator's page? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:15, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Go right ahead. I don't care. Multiple times is intentional. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 12:26, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: I hope you stick around - despite the hiccups lately. Or give the DB a chance once we resolve the hiccups. In any way - thanks for all the work you are doing - we do not say thanks nearly often enough around here. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:32, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: These weren't hiccups, they were intentional actions that destroyed hundreds of hours worth of work. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 14:10, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Reprints series ==<br />
<br />
I've had an idea - posted over in the moderator forum. Can you look at it and let me know what you think? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:00, 17 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Wordage thing? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:05, 17 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: The arguements over wether or not a 175 to 200 plus books are really novels. I've had a number of '''''novels''''' wiped from the databank because the moderator decided that novels weren't novels. Which is one of the reasons you haven't seen much of me lately. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:48, 18 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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::: If they were in the DB, they should have been just converted, not deleted (and I suspect they were). If they were rejected on addition, then yeah - they never made it to the DB. I have it on my list to go and save (and re-add) all of those rejected if they are not in the DB. And as we saw, one of the rejected turned out to be very comfortably over 40K no matter how anyone tried to count so... I have some questions on how exactly he counts in some cases. But that is for another conversation. <br />
::: As for the bigger question here: I would approve it and then change it if I do not think it is a novel (especially if not verified; I will always talk to the verifier if there is one). Most moderators would do the same. Let's the dust settle on the rest of the issues (we are having a bit of a split-novels problem at the moment on top of everything else) and I will be bringing that up as a moderator policy question. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:56, 18 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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: On the reprints - unless someone voices an objection, I will get these organized over the weekend. As you are a PV, you will see all the changes -- just yell if you see me doing something stupid. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:56, 18 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Update on the moderation process ==<br />
<br />
A quick update, which will hopefully clarify where we stand with the recent problems.<br />
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* I have [[User_talk:Stonecreek#Changing_dates_of_variant_art_titles|discussed recent issues with moderation]] with Christian. He has re-committed himself to following consensus when editing ISFDB records/guiding editors and to following other ISFDB rules and guidelines like not changing existing series organization without prior discussion. I will keep an eye on things to make sure that we don't have problems going forward.<br />
* I apologize for my lack of oversight of Wiki discussions. My health hasn't been that great the last couple of years and I was spending my shrinking "ISFDB man-hours" primarily on Fixer and on software development. In retrospect, it was a mistake. I should have been paying more attention to Wiki discussions. Again, my apologies. I will try to do better in the future.<br />
* Going forward, if I and other moderators miss problems during your Wiki-based discussions with the reviewing moderator (which is always possible given the number of submissions and Wiki posts these days), please don't hesitate to bring them up on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard]]. As I wrote the other day:<br />
** If an editor believes that a moderator is not treating him or her in a [[Moderator Qualifications|"supportive and friendly way"]] and/or not enforcing the rules and the consensus correctly, s/he is encouraged to raise the issue on the Moderator Noticeboard. It will be reviewed by other Moderators. If necessary, it will be escalated to a "bureaucrat" who can impose administrative sanctions to ensure that all moderators follow the consensus and treat editors fairly. <br />
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Please let me know if you can think of other ways to improve the process and thank you for all of your contributions! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:00, 20 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Honestly, I hope you are doing better. Put your health first. I've been enjoying the benefits of my local hospital for the last three weeks, and future two, myself. This is why I seem to be snubbing ISFDB. I'll try to be more cooperative when I'm free. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 08:21, 4 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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:: Take care of yourself, MLB! I hope you are feeling better and that the visit to the local hospital helps. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:03, 4 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Paul Di Filippo ==<br />
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Hi, It's Paul Di Filippo, with a 'i' in 'De' and with double 'pp' in 'Filipo'. I had to correct each and every instance of Paul Di Filippo in last Asimov’s Science Fiction, just as I corrected Samuel R. Delaney to Samuel R. Delany. Please take more care when entering content.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:21, 11 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:I blame nobody but my own stupid self. I apologize. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:28, 11 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Terror Cell ==<br />
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Hi, You were at least partly right with 'Terror Cell' being a CHAPBOOK: I splitted the title record into a COLLECTION (for the original 2016 357 page record, that appears to contain five novellas) and two CHAPBOOKs for the 2018 records.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:41, 11 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:Okay, thanks. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:48, 11 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Wonder Stories -1950 /1963 (and perhaps 1957 as well) ==<br />
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Hi, I hope you can help me, as you just entered a 'Wonder Stories' reprint: I have a submission on hold for a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4568997 1950 Thrilling Wonder Stories], where the submitter claims that the art used in 1950 for '[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?77667 Shadow on the Sand]' is not the art as used in the 1963 reprint. I know it is a long shot, but you may have access to both sources -I have only the link a supplied by the submitter to the 1950 version.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:04, 5 February 2020 (EST)<br />
: Found the 1963 (and 1957!) Virgil Finlay [https://www.flickr.com/photos/mcclaverty/5636484763/ here], so the submitter is right.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:03, 5 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Haunted America: Star-Spangled Supernatural Stories ==<br />
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For your verified {{P|16489|Haunted America: Star-Spangled Supernatural Stories}}, can you please double check a couple of credit? The Internet Archive [https://archive.org/details/hauntedamericast00kaye scan] has some differences from ISFDB record:<br />
*page 150: The ISFDB credit is Joseph Lavinson, but the scan shows Marvin Kaye on the title page<br />
*page 360: The ISFDB credit is Fritz Leiber, but the scan shows Fritz Leiber, Jr. on the title page<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:18, 15 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Just got back from another two week fun stay at my neighborhood hospital. Correcting the Leiber story. My copy has Marvin Kaye on both the title and contents page for the Lavinson story, and Kaye admits to being Lavinson. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?114887 C. H. Sherman] has only appeared in Kaye's anthologies and is described as an actor. Maybe another Kaye pseudonym? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:42, 21 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::Thank you for checking. Since we credit per the title page and the title page has Marvin Kaye for the first story, I have changed that one also. I hope you are feeling better & will be staying away from the hospital. My best wishes to you! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:32, 21 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== To the Sun? / Off on a Comet! ==<br />
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: ''Posted also at [[User talk:Holmesd#To the Sun? / Off on a Comet!]] --Pwendt''<br />
Hi. You are one verifier of this novel (or omnibus) in its 1960 Dover ed./printing P{{p|257555}}. (The slash in both titles was "spaced" last hour, probably by the moderator who approved my correction/extension of its Notes, User:Dirk P Broer.)<br />
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[1] Let me draw your attention to Amazon US/UK records of this edition with cover images and leave it to you two whether to replace the image that we now link.<br />
* front/spine A - [http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00INBUWN8 Amazon US only]<br />
* front B - [http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0486206343 Amazon UK], also US, as ISBN 0486206343<br />
Note: A shows both "$1.75" (as $) and "49 illustrations" on the front and "T634" is not legible but believable on the spine.<br />
B shows both "1.75" (no symbol) and same text on the front. US states "import" and UK does not. If the price is £1.75 that must be some time after the UK change to decimal, which the report of ISBN also suggests.<br />
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By the way another dealer provides a third cover illustration/design, "large clear type", with "£1.40" either printed or affixed to upper left:<br />
* front/spine C - [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=22401254445 ABEbooks, London dealer]<br />
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[2] From our publication record I infer that the Dover republication does not include preface(s) by translator Edward Roth. <br />
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[3] You report two interior title pages that suggest subtitles "A Journey Through Planetary Space". <br>Evidently those pages display the full titles of the 1st eds. LC catalog records as 1878 imply that: [http://lccn.loc.gov/2011658901], [http://lccn.loc.gov/2011658902] (both created 2011 perhaps from secondary sources) and [http://lccn.loc.gov/01009821] (created 1901). Compare the one 19c title page that I find online (two copies): [http://hdl.handle.net/2027/njp.32101021185879?urlappend=%3Bseq=7 t.p.] and [http://archive.org/details/tosunjourneythro00vern/page/n6/mode/2up t.p.], where the latter image of LC copy is pencilled "1895".<br />
<br>--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:25, 23 February 2020 (EST)<br />
: I would suggest that you add some of this to the notes, or link this note to this listing. The fact is, I had checked this book out from my library on an inter-library loan, so now I can not verify or non-verify your new extensive information. Sorry, I just can't, that's why I'm a transient verifier. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:31, 23 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks for your prompt reply. Now I see you are both Transient verifiers, which I missed yesterday. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:48, 24 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: I still have access to some images from my transient copy and will try to work through this with Pwendt. We'll keep the discussion on my talk page (link above). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:50, 24 February 2020 (EST)<br />
Hi again, MLB. For the standalone publications of the Roth translation as "To the Sun?" (1878 and 1879 reprint now in the database) and "Off on a Comet!" (1878 and '''1976 reprint'''), I have submitted extension of the title to include subtitle ''A Journey Through Planetary Space'' --which library records report (and HathiTrust image shows for the 1895? re-issue with identical page-count).<br>This affects your Transient PVerified record of the 1976 Aeonian Press edition P{{p|438268}}. I cite this notice to you of the subtitle issue (and may do so again) in Note to Moderator. I suppose I will say "general notice to the Transient verifier" and not further update here. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:29, 24 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Novelettes Eligible for the 1941 Retro-Hugos ==<br />
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Hope you are doing better :) <br />
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Just a reminder that we have an Import function - so instead of typing the title and then merging post-approval, you can look for the story and import it instead thus eliminating one step per story (yes, I know, looking for the story is not always trivial:) ). Either way works, import just reduces the possibility of typos and the like (and the number of submissions) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:22, 25 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Tales from the Pulps #5 ==<br />
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I added several letters and an essay to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61915 December 1936 issue] of ''Weird Tales'' which is reprinted in your verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?570788 Tales from the Pulps #5]''. You may want to import the contents from the original issue to pick up the additional items. I will note that the Coming Next Month essay I added is on the inside front cover. I know that the Girasol reprints of WT omit the inside covers. If Pulp Tales Press omits these too, you'd want to remove it after adding all the new content. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:17, 8 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
:There is no "Coming Next Month" feature in my facsimile reprint, but I have added the letters that you have added to the original. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:13, 8 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I don't know if you followed [[Rules and standards discussions#Letters -- cleaning up the data entry rules|this]] recent discussion regarding letters to the editor. The outcome of the discussion is that editors can now add all letters if they choose. Consequently, I've been making another pass on ''Weird Tales'' adding letters that hadn't been added previously. I just added several letters to the above issue of ''Weird Tales'' and as before, if you'd care to add the missing letters, you can import them from there. If you do, I'd also recommend deleting them all from your pub first, so you can pick up the sorting with the import. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:57, 26 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Roar #10 ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/e/ed/Roar_-10_jpg.jpg<br />
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== Amazon e-books and ASINs ==<br />
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Just a reminder - when you are adding an e-book from Amazon, don't forget to add the ASIN :) I added it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?764222 here]. It makes it easier for someone to find it later and less likely to have a duplicate record :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:36, 9 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== 'The Extreme Horror Series' ==<br />
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Hi! I wonder where the information on that series comes from. I have taken a bit of time to search, but found no source. Do you have information at hand? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:17, 10 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:It might be a self-imposed series but I saw it here: [https://www.amazon.com/Netherwell-Horror-Book-Extreme-ebook/dp/B081F4C189/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr= here] [[User:MLB|MLB]] 03:21, 10 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks! I have approved of the submissions. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:31, 10 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Trinket'' ==<br />
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Hi, with no proof that this publication actually exists and no evidence for its actual title type, it seems better to delete it. (The only known publication seems to be a serialization at wattpad). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:58, 17 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
:So wattpad as a publication source doesn't count? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 09:02, 17 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I'm not saying its a good book. It's not for me to judge. Just being complete, to see the book you can [https://www.wattpad.com/804066129-trinket-nano-2019-tempting-my-nightmares/page/2 go here]. I have a feeling that you're going to see more of this in the future. This is the second author that I've run into that has serialized their books first on wattpad. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 09:09, 17 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm not arguing with you on this, if you're right, then you're right, I just need the rules that's all. Just trying to be complete, in a digital age, is all. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 09:38, 17 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Well, you only state that it was serialized at wattpad, so it appears that there's no book / ebook edition of the whole thing in one publication. You also stated that the actual length is unknown, so it might also slot in as a SHORTFICTION. Do you have any additional hard information? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:09, 17 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::Nope. Just the serial on wattpad. Of course, being a serial, serials are rarely published in complete form during their intitial publications. Still, wouldn't the same rules apply to this as to other e-publications? Again, not arguing, but just looking for a hard and fast rule to look at? Perhaps I should just list some notes under her nate until it sees a "hard" copy. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 14:01, 17 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Of course the rules apply - but with entering this one, we'd state that there does exist a stand-alone, all-inclusive publication. Please don't rely on Goodreads or Wattpad if you don't have further evidence of an existing publication: a 'cover image' doesn't necessarily mean that there is a corresponding publication, it might mean a serialization or a (possibly) upcoming publication - somewhen in the future, but it might as easily be cancelled. And a date of publication set to 'unknown' for new publications will most likely mean just that - if you don't have it at your hand. I'll delete this one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:40, 18 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Alright. I'll keep this in mind the next that I come across something like this. Honestly, I don't even know what wattpad is. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 01:54, 18 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Per description it is not a publisher but a publishing platform, analogous to Amazon's CreateSpace. So it seems more fitting to ascribe the publication to the respective authors / editors. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:18, 18 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Bella Sara ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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You had verified the first two books in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?31635 this series]. I would like to do the following for both:<br />
* Change them to chapbooks - they are too short for novels - look inside shows 25 lines per page, less than 10 words per line (plus illustrations and shorter pages) and the ebooks come as <80 pages. <br />
* Mark the titles as juvenile (as they are children books)<br />
As your verification is before the juvenile flag and probably before the chapbook, I suspect that this should not be a problem but if you disagree, please let me know (and I will leave them alone for now). I stumbled on the series because Fixer found some reprints of the later books :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:51, 26 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Gee, do those bring back memories. Yeah, go ahead. Change them if you so wish. Thanks for letting me know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:06, 26 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yeah, working through the vaults of Fixer sends me in all kinds of directions. I will change these then :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:36, 26 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: And while fixing those, I found a cluster of LCCNs in notes that escaped all my patterns - some of them verified by you. So heads up - a few notifications coming while I am moving these. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:50, 26 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::Do what you have to. Hope you are feeling well in these times. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:59, 26 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Other from getting crazy from staying at home (thankfully I can work from home so there is that...), I am doing fine. I already had a pneumonia this year, just before the madness hit so... let's hope I do not have a second major health issue in my near future. Stay safe - I know that you had been unwell lately so I hope you are safe. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:11, 27 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== C.O.L.A.R. ==<br />
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Added an interior art record, a catalog no. and some more details to the Note for our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?227973 C.O.L.A.R.]. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 18:07, 28 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Verification request: author David Dean in Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine, December 2013 ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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You have this pub permanently PVed http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?429231 . so I'm wondering if you're possibly able to help me with a question?<br />
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I've been adding the nominees for the Kitschies award, and one of the 2018 art nominees was a "David Dean". It looks like we currently have 2 different people of this name under the same author record http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120561<br />
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* One is a writer of three mystery short stories between 1992 and 2013, including one in this Ellery Queen volume<br />
* The other is a British artist as documented here https://childrensillustrators.com/ddean/about<br />
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I'm sure these are 2 different people - an artist who graduated university in 1999 seems unlikely to have been writing short stories in 1992 - but as a relative newbie to ISFDB, I'm - perhaps naively - assuming that part of the point of PVing pubs is to be able to chase up things like this? Any chance you can check that pub to see if it has any biographical notes for "David Dean" that might confirm these are indeed two different people?<br />
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Another of this author's stories is PVed by Don Erikson here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281015 , so I'll pose a similar question to him.<br />
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Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 09:57, 31 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll see what I can do. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:09, 31 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
::A quick google has shown me that there are two '''different''' artists going under the name of David Dean, and both have completely different styles. So there's that. And while it wouldn't be the first time an author and an artist held simultaneous jobs, witnes [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?142112 Angela Waters], I don't think that's the case here. I'll ask Dean who has a listing at Goodreads, about this, but don't hold your breath. On-the-other-hand, for now, if you want, you can seperate them by having one as David Dean and the other as David Dean (I) and explain to the moderator as to why. I'll do some more checking as see what I can find out. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:40, 31 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A Dialogue of Terrors: A NoSleep Collection ==<br />
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Did you mark [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?767505 this one] juvenile on purpose? PS: I fixed a couple of titles based on Look inside :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:39, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:This was the third time that I did this one, what did I do wrong this time? And I still have more to add. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/e/ee/Xxx.jpg] is what is found on Amazon. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 14:10, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::By the way, I think a chapbook can have a different title than the short fiction inside, as they can be two different things. Much like the title of a book. One moderator says no. Is there a rule about this.? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 14:15, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Amazon's age groups are messed up sometimes. This one is not children or even YA for me so I would not mark it Juvenile. The change I did was a move of the ? from one title to another (see my comment [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4616204 here]). <br />
::: For the chapbooks... depends. If the book has the title "My Special Christmas" on its title page but the story inside is called "Christmas Story", they will be different of course. But I would not make them different for series names -- the series go on the story only; if it is a chapbook level series then it will need to be pub series. Hope that makes sense. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:31, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The current set of rejections ==<br />
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Sorry about them but as explained in the firs one, approving them would have created the incorrect series (with the word Book at the end) which after that I had to delete (after doing an edit anyway to clear the word from the titles). So I rejected them and just edited the titles based on how you had edited them. I had been caught in this when copying series from Amazon as well so if it pings as "unknown series" when you know you added the earlier, check for "Book/Novel" at the end of whatever you are trying to add :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:51, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:''''''Rise of the Black Dragon Book''''''!!! OMG! I'm so embarassed. This is what happens when you rush. I had a medical emergency and just cut'n'pasted everything. Holey Moley, I must look like a cretin. I apologize. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:22, 23 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Not at all - I’ve done that more time than i wish to admit. :) I was just too lazy to go delete the series in addition to the edits so just rejected and edited instead. :) I hope the emergency had passed and everything is ok [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:29, 23 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== What Lurks Behind Real ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Do we really want "Books" at the end of the series name [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2718980 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:45, 27 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I dunno. From what I can gather from reading the book descriptions the three Club Cain books have been extensively revised from each other. I am uneasy variating them with each other, but they are not part of a series either. Should I list them as a series, and then put notes, in each submission explaining the changes? The rules for extensive revisions such as this seem to be either loosely defined, or loosely enforced. I'll abid for whatever you decide. You're the boss. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:34, 27 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Nah, leave them as they are. I would have called the series "Club Cain" but what you have is also fine. They are definitely not variants. Add a note to the series explaining that these are revisions and that's the best we can do :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:37, 27 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Okay. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:40, 27 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Kalelah Series ==<br />
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Hello. Is there a particular reason the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?58920 Kalelah Series] is called that, instead of just 'Kalelah'? If I recall, we generally do not add 'Series' to a series title. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:06, 2 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:It's called "The Kalelah Series" on Amazon. But, I just shortened it, shorten it some more if you want, or I can do it later. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:13, 2 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Continue Online ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
<br />
Would you mind if I cleanup the titles in this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?45435 series]? It was started weirdly at the beginning so I let it continue this way while approving yours but it had been at the back of my mind to review it. Under our current practice, these really should be simplified - series name not to be part of the title (plus it makes it look cleaner...). I do not want to step on your toes or make more work for you so I will do the work - but wanted to make sure you are fine with it. Unless I am missing a really good reason to have them this way? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:40, 6 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Ummm, no, you're fine. I didn't originally enter this author, I'm just adding to his page. I'm just continuing with what was done before. So, go ahead. You're the boss. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:44, 6 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I know - as I said- the initial entry was added that way so when you started adding more, I noted it for myself but did not say anything on naming - you are keeping it uniform. :) Give me a few minutes before you make any more clones in this series. Will let you know when I am done. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:48, 6 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Alright: Time to make my supper anyway. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:54, 6 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: All done - you can have the author back :) Sorry for not fixing it earlier and thanks for working on these authors. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:01, 6 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A Correspondence ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4642913 this one]: Was he credited in the book? If not, then we will create a parent with the two authors instead of editing the book content. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:56, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I don't know what I was thinking. You're right. The second author wasn't credited on the contents page which is all I had to go on. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:25, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Make a parent and add a note that we do not have access to the title page of the book so going strictly off the contents page :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:29, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: I hope this clears up everything. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:37, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: All I had to do was to approve the two new ones and reject the old one. All set. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:39, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Jules Verne translations ==<br />
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I have been documenting the various translations of Jules Verne's works and trying to identify a piece of text from each translation so editors can position their publications under the correct title record. You are on record as a primary verifier for one or more publications for which I am looking for text or which are placed under a generic translation title. I would be grateful if you could assist in this by checking your copies, as listed below, and providing the initial text for missing translations or an indication of the translation for those unspecified. These are listed on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Jules_Verne_Translations Jules Verne Translations] wiki. Thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:31, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
*Unspecified translation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?69127 Doctor Ox's Experiment] (title) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411472 The Monster-Maker and Other Science Fiction Classics] (publication)<br />
*Unspecified translation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?112857 Off on a Comet] (title) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?438270 Amazing Stories, April 1926] (publication)<br />
*Unspecified translation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?186924 The Mysterious Island] (title) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?490546 The Mysterious Island] (publication)<br />
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:Well, you didn't pick the easy ones did you? The Amazing Stories is where I can't readily get at it, and I'm not sure where the other two are. There has been a lot chaos in this household recently. I'll try to find them, but the Amazing Stories reprint is the same as the original. I'll try, but I can't guarantee anything right now. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:03, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I've been at this for 2 years now, a few weeks won't matter. And I did think that Jules Verne wouldn't be that hard. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 21:59, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Have you SEEN my house. It's not the books, it's where they are. I can't drive and they may be in storage. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:26, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: The Mysterious Island was listed as transient, although it sounds like it may not actually be gone, just migrated to secondary (or tertiary) storage. I am thankful, at least you got the books into the database. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:26, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Reality Contagion ==<br />
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Hi, I suspect you've made a copy-paste error [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?773060 here] - could you check that publication again, specifically the cover art link that is the same as for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?773059 Badwater] (it shouldn't) and submit any corrections? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:18, 14 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Ambush ==<br />
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Hello. I have your submission on hold since it seems the ASIN is incorrect (I get an error message). Perhaps you meant audio-asin? Could you check? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:17, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: This author has a problem with his submissions. He downloads his books, withdraws them, then he downloads them again with new covers. They might even be revised. Hell, I don't know. In the case that you mention, this is an early audio download, different company, different cover, and a different narrator. I assume that this was once sold on Amazon, but was superseded by the next version. I've seen this before. ASIN probably worked once, but that copy is now gone, so it doesn't function. But this will happen again with even new books, especially ones whose parent publishing company goes out of business. Because the ASIN doesn't work now, doesn't mean it shouldn't be listed, I think, but what do I know. I'll leave it up to you. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 13:47, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Move the ASIN to the notes (using the template), and make an accompanying note summarizing what you said above, and all is well :) (I've approved your submission) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:53, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Alright, just give me a minute to clean up my mess. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 14:05, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::This author is giving my hemeroids their own hemeroids. I now have a headache, and I need to lay down. I hope this submission is all up to snuff. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 14:16, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Guys, even if Amazon removes the book, the ASIN is a valid identifier for the book and should be in the ASIN field if it belonged to the book. Goodreads is a very good place to find and confirm those dead ASINs (and these then allow to connect elsewhere). You may add a note that it is not on amazon anymore but if we pull it from the field every time amazon removes a book, we may as well stop recording it at all. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:16, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: An interesting topic. Annie is right: when Amazon deletes an ASIN -- which they do quite frequently these days -- Goodreads usually preserves the ASIN and its data. I wonder if we should add Goodreads as another "supported site" to the ASIN External ID Type. It would use the ASIN value to link to Goodreads using URLs like https://www.goodreads.com/search?q=B07NJQVSLL where "B07NJQVSLL" is the ASIN. We already display a dozen country-specific links for ASINs. Another one wouldn't make a difference. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:21, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: This actually sounds like a great idea - and will solve the problem of invalid links. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:25, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: Y'Know, I'm just a lowly editor, shouldn't this discussion be moved to another page? I do know that I've had my submissions deleted/rejected because of dead ASINs. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:45, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: And they should not have been - whoever rejected and deleted those has a bit of a misunderstanding of how Amazon works with ebooks. :) Discussions tend to start somewhere - and most changes happen because we all notice something is off. As your work was influenced by it, it started here. I will move it over to Community as soon as I am on my computer. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:10, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::: Mom said I'd always be trouble. :) [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:16, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::: In this case, blame Amazon :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:55, 18 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Steel's Fate ==<br />
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I am confused about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4653516 this one]. Amazon on this ISBN leads to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?774269 this one] which we already have and you have a "• Publishing data from Amazon.com as of 2020-05-20.". So something does not compute. You either need to cite a different source or there is something else different here... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:37, 20 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Checking it out now. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 03:24, 20 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Okay, the ISBN to '''''Steel's Fate''''' is 978-1733188050, I must of miscopied it from the previous book in the series. I'll fix it if you okay the submission. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 03:34, 20 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: I'll do one better - I replaced it and removed the GR number that was also for the other book. I think it looks fine now. By the way, even though they work, the BN number is not really needed if we have a regular ISBN as well - the ID was mainly for their 294- style ISBN-like thingies. But as it works, no worries. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:38, 20 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Pathogens ==<br />
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Good evening, <br />
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You have the wrong cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?774690 here] - for the wrong book. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:46, 20 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Good evening to ISFDB's best editor yourself. I'm deleting the whole mess, it's redundant. After untying this literary publication's publication history, I'll try for something easy, like world peace, or creating a chocolate with no calories. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:03, 20 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Thirteen Stories by Us ==<br />
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I am not sure what is going on tonight but I had never had to do that much repair work on your submissions as I had to do with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4656418 this one]. It looked as if you added the stories and then forgot that all the other book details were from the previous one you submitted (and tracking that book was not that easy...). All fixed I think but give it another look just in case. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:13, 22 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:You should not have to do that much work. Next time just make me do it. [[User:MLB|MLB]]<br />
:: You added the stories and I know how much of a trouble that is - I would have rejected and asked you to redo it without them but did not want to lose all the work already done. So I fixed the rest :) If there was more than one of those, I would have come and asked you to fix it but fixing one once in awhile won't kill me. Just stopped by to give you a heads up that you need a break (or a cup of tea or something stronger) before you do the next. All is good. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:16, 22 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== One of your submissions ==<br />
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I had to hard reject one of your clones (ASIN: B075KQJ2KN, Goodreads: 52705319, Title: Trunk Line) as someone approved a merge and the ID that was used did not exist anymore. You may want to resubmit. Sorry. All the details are [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/dumpxml.cgi?4659291 here] if you want to copy from it (I think non-moderators can see that - if not, I can pull the data for you) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:06, 24 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Same for Goodreads 45010883, ISBN 9781549733864, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/dumpxml.cgi?4659295 XML dump]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:07, 24 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Uh, guess your job as a moderator is quite safe from me :/. I re-did the submissions from scratch, and here's hoping that I got them right this time. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:02, 24 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Nope, that one was not on you - they were ok when you sent them - they just got invalidated when someone did a merge after that - either as a result of a previous submission OR based on a cleanup report or finding it by chance. It happens now and then. If it was a new editor, I would have redone the submissions for them but as you are always around, I figured I can stop by and ask if you would want to redo them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:21, 24 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Odyssey, Summer 1976 ==<br />
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Hi, the cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?161711 Odyssey, Summer 1976] is attributed there on the contents page to John B. Gaughan, and it does look like Jack Gaughan's work. This art is also shown in your PV'ed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258382 Black Gate, Spring 2007], is it really attributed there to John Schoenherr? [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 15:46, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Your right, I mistyped. I'll correct. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:24, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== This evening's new books ==<br />
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Good evening, <br />
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How is the invention of no-sugar no-fat no-anything unhealthy milk chocolate that does not taste like cardboard coming along? :)<br />
I approved all your standing submissions but had to do some changes:<br />
* Your template talks about Goodreads as a source but when there is no record in GR, it really does not need to be in the notes.<br />
* Missing ASIN in the first one and one migrated down into the field - I know it is not functional but as we discussed earlier - it is still a valid ASIN and we use it for things like Fixer deciding which books we already have or an editor deciding if the book they are holding is one of the books we have or they need to add. And we can add more links later - so a note that the book is not available in Amazon at the time is fine but let's have the ASIN in its field if it belongs to the book. :) <br />
* Series name need to go into the title. Under the current policies, "Vim: A Watcher's Gift Novel" belonging to a series called "Watcher's Gift" gets just the title "Vim". While the long one is technically not wrong, chances of it staying that way and not getting cleaned sooner or later is not very big so I just fixed it before any cloning. :)<br />
I think I got all updates cleared but look through the links and sources again while cloning/finishing the author. The notes on Edit History explain all changes if you need to look up something. Thanks! I am around if you have any concerns/questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:37, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Old habits are hard to break. When I first started to edit for this site, it was hammered into me that if it is put into the title, and then printed on the title page, it '''MUST''' be put into the title field. I'll try to be more diligent in the future. Ditto for the ASIN. My invention of this new type of chocolate is having as much success as my broccoli flavored bubble gum had. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:58, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Well, the broccoli flavored things failing needs to be counted as a success... :) <br />
:: No worries for the rest - I will keep nudging you (and fixing silently occasionally). The way that helped me learn that specific rule was to think on how the title line will look inside of the book when it is approved. <br />
::* "Watcher's Gift: Vim [Watcher's Gift • 1]" <br />
::* "Vim: Watcher's Gift Book 1 [Watcher's Gift • 1]"<br />
::* "Vim: A Novel of Watcher's Gift[Watcher's Gift • 1]"<br />
:: and so on just looks cluttered and redundant; <br />
::* "Vim • [Watcher's Gift • 1]" <br />
:: looks much cleaner. Might not work for you as an explanation but... just sharing in case it is useful :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:13, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::Surprise!!! I agree with you 100%. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 01:15, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's Science Fiction, April-May 2015 ==<br />
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Hello again, your "favorite" moderator bugging you again (hey, see, it is not even evening yet) :)<br />
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Can you pull [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507308 your issue] and verify a note for me? A new editor posted the following question:<br />
"This issue is supposed to have a missing first page of short story "Tuesdays" on page 9, which is said to have been missing in the previous issue. There's an ad for a book on page 9 and I see no evidence that there was actually a missing first page in the previous issue, which is listed there as part 2 of 2. Please check, to see if I'm missing something."<br />
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Can you check what your issue looks like? Do we have different printings or something else is going on? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:40, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm gonna have to look around for it. Give me a little time. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 16:59, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Far Boundaries ==<br />
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Good evening, <br />
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For small changes such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4670477 here] where you are adding "No contents page", use the moderator note as a notification - instead of saying there "will notify", just describe the change in the moderator note. This way the PVs (all of them) can see the change in their "Changed Primary" and see your note there and anyone checking "Edit History" later can see what was added exactly. If you insist on also notifying the PVs on their pages, be my guest :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:54, 3 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Well, aw shucks, Annie, I just didn't know. Now I do. I'm rightly sorry to have put you out. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:48, 3 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I am just trying to save you some time and effort (so you can add more books instead - see... I always have an agenda).:) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:51, 3 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== INFETTO ==<br />
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When adding non-US editions, please use the currency of the country where published vs. the US currency from Amazon. In the case of {{P|776999|INFETTO}}, I was able to pull it from amazon.it since it was an Italian edition. If the original is not easily found, you can just leave the price off. Also, for translations, the translation credit also needs to be in the title record. When doing a new pub entry like this, you can add it in the title notes field as part of the submission. That will save an edit later. Let me know if you have questions. Thanks for submitting all the many pubs that you have been doing. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:14, 3 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: If I can ask, why the all CAPS in this title? We normalize the case of titles and I see no indication that this is not the standard "use all caps" on almost any cover in any language. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:31, 3 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Because I was careless with my cut-n-pasting, I corrected it in one of my later edits. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 17:35, 3 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Ah, okey. Sorry - just saw a weird title and came asking. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:47, 3 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: I fixed it in the publication and cover as well (once created, all 3 need fixing) and added the note that the price came from Amazon.it [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:49, 3 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Non-English editions - additional data ==<br />
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While approving your non-English submissions, I had been updating the notes (mainly translators, prices and similar items) and capitalization where needed (the only one that needs every word (minus the list) with a capital letter is English; German needs nouns capitalized; almost any other language follows sentence case -- Amazon.com and Goodreads not knowing the translator for example does not mean native stores and sites in the language do not :) Just heads up. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 4 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Now I know. Sorry about the sloppiness. I should be doing better. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:29, 4 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: At least you trying to add them so all is good :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:38, 4 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::By the way, I was born on '''''June 5, 1958''''' why is my birthday listed today, on the fourth of June? I know dates can be unreliable, I was awfully young at the time of my birth, but I'll take my mom's word on this. She had reason to remember, I was a difficult birth. I was always trouble, I guess [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:41, 4 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Timezones - it is the 5th in UK (GMT - computers have an affinity to this time zone). Although our servers are on the US East Coast so we may have found a bug (or intended behavior). It says the 5th on your profile. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:00, 4 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::The question that should be asked is "When did I get so old?". Seems like just yesterday I was only twenty and ready to take on the world, and now I'm an old man who puts his socks on the wrong feet. :0 [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:07, 4 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Happy birthday (should be the 5h anywhere in the continental US) :) Have a wonderful year :) PS: I am told that 60 is the new 20 - just (sometimes) less broke and (very rarely) more mature. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:04, 5 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::Thanks. :) [[User:MLB|MLB]] 13:05, 5 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Thanks for reporting the issue! I'll take a look. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 21:28, 4 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: {{Bug|753}} has been created. It's not a straightforward fix, so it may take some time to get it resolved. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:08, 5 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Innocent Survivors ==<br />
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Just wondering what you,mean to say with your note on ISBN number {{p|778176|here}}? Bit puzzled as there's no ISBN for this ebook record [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:05, 7 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:I meant the ASIN number. Mistake made eye. Will fix. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 03:13, 7 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Venus ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4676912 your submission] on hold since I suspect it already exists - have a look [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?715377 here]. I also noticed a typo in the author name Bokerah Brunley --> Brumley, and title 90 Seconds --> Ninety Seconds. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:26, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Somehow I messed up with all the books in this series. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Help_desk&action=edit&section=42 here]. You can delete or correct. Personnally, I'd delete. I blame nobody but myself for this mistake, but I wash my hands of these books. And the contents page that is online sez '''90 Seconds'''. If there is a verifier, then his work takes precedence, but, for me, it's time to move on. Sorry for the trouble. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 17:23, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Hey, no worries. Don't feel bad, you're doing great work! I'll reject your submission then. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]]<br />
::: Notes, GR ID and order copied from the rejected entry into the copy we had -- thanks again for all the work on it. No point losing it by just rejecting :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:01, 10 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Duplicates again ==<br />
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Before adding a book, try to search for the ISBN and/or ASIN in the DB -- [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?778927 this one] was already on the DB. As the old one did not have the stories I approved yours and deleted the old one but please, add the "check the ASIN/ISBN" to your standard routine or you end up with situations like the other day :( As a rule, in cases like that we do nor delete the pre-existing publication - people may have links to it here on the site or outside of it... most times I will approve the duplicate, import from it into the old and then delete the new one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:29, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:It also had the wrong author, which is why I couldn't find it. I'm just getting sloppy in my doatage. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:35, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: That's why I am proposing to search for the ISBN/ASIN as well :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:41, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Employment Interview with a Vampire ==<br />
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Hello,<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?779086 This] is one very confused record. <br />
* Based on the date, it is [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20558267-employment-interview-with-a-vampire GR 20558267]<br />
* Based on the publisher, it is [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15718901-employment-interview-with-a-vampire GR 15718901]<br />
* Both of them show 28 pages, you cite 56. <br />
* There was also funny capitalization -- (With A) had to be changed to (with a) :) <br />
Can you sort out which of the two records you meant to add with this one (as both exist and our record in the middle is a mix between the two...) and correct the publisher or date, add the correct GR number and sort out the length. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:11, 12 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:This whole series is confusing. Amazon lists six ebooks, and Goodreads lists five or six books, and the titles and plot descriptions don't always match. All I can do is list the various versions and let the primary, if one ever turns up, sort things out. Meanwhile, I'll look at the above. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 03:50, 12 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Okay, the 56 number comes from the [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007GAHVX6?notRedirectToSDP=1&ref_=dbs_mng_calw_0&storeType=ebooks Amazon version]. The dangers of flipping back and forth between the sites. I'll correct. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:00, 12 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Approved and I also fixed the publisher as you kept the date - the Endeavor Writing one is the [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15718901-employment-interview-with-a-vampire other one]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:08, 12 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Vampire Hunter Comes To Call ==<br />
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Your only source [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20558283 Goodreads] has the publisher for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4680192 this submission] as "J. Bennett" Can you please let me know where did you come up with "Endeavor Reads" from - either you need to cite another source or the data needs to match your sources. Additionally, you missed to add a story and you left "To" capitalized - I know it is easier to just copy but look over the capitalization before submitting, please? :) I can fix all of those post approval - once we sort out that publisher thing. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:12, 12 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Some of her books are published under the Endeavor Reads imprint, and some, usually the same edition, the difference merely being the ebook version and the print version, so I thought to standardize the publisher. But, you're right, I'll go back an change it. I usually do change the capitalization, but my dumb brain doesn't seem to be working correctly. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:36, 12 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: If you are changing a publisher based in assumptions, they need to be in the notes :) Approved and added the story and fixed the publisher and the capitalization. You are probably right on the publisher but that needs to be explained in the notes ("Goodreads credits the publisher as J. Bennett but as Amazon credits the Endevour books from the same time by the same publisher the same way, publisher changed to..") or something along these lines. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:41, 12 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Vampire's Housekeeper Chronicles: Volume One ==<br />
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You will need to resubmit your clone of ''The Vampire's Housekeeper Chronicles: Volume One''. You submitted merges of the contents prior to the clone. Once that merge was approved, the clone is no longer valid as the contents no longer exist. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:07, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Vampire's Housekeeper Chronicles: Volume One ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4691211 this submission]. As far as I can see, this is a duplicate of {{P|779873|this pub}}. Am I missing something? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:38, 1 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:No, looks like I cloned the wrong thing. I will delete. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:47, 1 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Adventure ==<br />
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For {{P|72966|Adventure}}, [[User talk:Markwood|Markwood]] has suggested the title be changed to ''Adventure, Vol. 1'' since that is what is shown on the title page. Thoughts? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:31, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Sweet day in the morning, as my grandma used to say sometimes, she also taught everybody in the family to swear profusely, but we won't go there, I don't even remember this publication. If Markwood wants to change it, I'm all for it. I bow to his greater wisdom. See, I'm easy to get along with. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:02, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Change made. Thanks! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:20, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Veiled Eliminators Bundle 1 / Crimson Realm Chronicles Bundle 1 ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4700903 this import] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4700906 this import], it doesn't look like the imported contents are correct. The imports are bringing in parent titles credited to Angela Waters. However, the publication is credited to Taryn Jameson. It looks like the Taryn Jameson variants should be imported instead unless the publication credit is wrong. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:22, 21 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:My bad. I believe I have corrected the mistake. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:59, 21 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Good Job, Henry ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4702806 this edit]: It looks like the proposed parent title is the same as the current title. Am I missing something? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:03, 25 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:No, you missed nothing, I did. I corrected. It seems that this title came out briefly, then was canceled, and then reverted to the old title. Sorry. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 11:43, 25 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Strange Stories, February 1939'' ==<br />
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I have approved [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4703614 this submission], but I am a bit confused by the first sentence in the Notes field: "Facsimile print-on-demand reprint of the first issue, and the February 1939 of this science fiction pulp magazine." Is there a word missing between "February 1939 of" and "this"? "Issue", perhaps? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:50, 28 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Allan Quartermain ==<br />
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The pub notes for {{P|578321|Allan Quartermain}} state "Misspells Quatermain's name as Quartermain on the cover". This implies it is correctly spelled on the title page. However, the title is entered with the misspelling. Does the note need clarification or title entry incorrect? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:14, 28 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Also, please check the "Being and Account" as believe that should be "Being an Account". Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:45, 28 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:I can fix one, but not the other right now, as the place where that book is stored if forbidden to me for a while. As I live alone, and have some trouble walking, my immediate family would frown on me stumbling, and tumbling down a flight of stairs. Give me a while. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:56, 28 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::No problem. There is no hurry. I suspect that it was an error in an original version that was just cloned multiple times. I've fixed the ones I could positively identify as being wrong (either from other verifiers or Internet Archive scans). We're just down to a couple now, but it's been with us for quite awhile. Not going to hurt anything being there for awhile longer. Thanks! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:46, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Audiobooks and maps ==<br />
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When cloning to create audiobooks, don't forget to leave unchecked the "interior art" checkbox on the clone screen -- they cannot have illustrations and maps (and if they do, notes need to be added to that effect somewhere :) ). I removed the map from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?783659 this one] and a few more while approving - so just heads up for the future. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:01, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks: Haven't seen you around for awhile, glad to see you're okay. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 15:58, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: A bit of work related stuff keeping me away from the site and when I had time for it, there were some urgent tasks to finish so I was rarely looking at the queue. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:51, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Deadly Descendant (Jenna Black) ==<br />
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<li>Self-Extraction doesn't occur in all copies: a normal [1]2–355 pagination seen in PV.<br />
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== Deadly Descendant (Jenna Black) ==<br />
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In my copy of [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?377887]] the pagination is normal.<br />
I was about to add the following to the notes, but decided to touch base with you first.<br />
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Self-Extraction doesn't occur in all copies: a normal [1]2–355 pagination seen in PV.<br />
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It Seems possible that your copy is just a messed up manufacturing, but I'm not sure if I should clone your copy, or what.<br />
--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:59, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Well, it seems possible that I may have a collectable item. The thing is, if yours doesn't have the self-extraction, just clone, but leave out the extract. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:43, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghosts & Scholars #26 ==<br />
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I made some changes to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?332644 Ghosts & Scholars #26], entirely to conform to the earlier issues of this pub. I've recently acquired the entire run of 33 issues and have been working my way through them. If you want to reverse my edits, feel free to do so. By the way, did your copy have "Haunted Library News, June 1998" laid in? [User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:19, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:In response to your first question. No offense, go right ahead, make mine conform to yours. In response to your second, I got my issues from a second-hand source, and so, no "Haunted Library News". (***sob***).<br />
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:''Ghosts & Scholars'' was a great magazine wasn't it? Still missed after all these years. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:54, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::Interesting stuff, indeed. I understand a 'zine of the same name started up in 2019 with issue #34, but I haven't seen one yet. I was fortunate to get Hugh Lamb's copies, so I'm not sure if the "Haunted Library News" that are laid in were supplied with the 'zine or obtained separately and put in by Lamb. There are also some postcards and notes from Pardoe in several issues. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 23:21, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghosts & Scholars #29 ==<br />
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I made more of the same kinds of changes to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?332660 G&S #29]. You had scanned the covers, but never loaded the new scan onto the pub! That threw me a bit when I saw two names for the cover art. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:20, 3 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Well, excuse me. Stick your head out the nearest window. That's not thunder you hear, but me banging my head against a wall. :) [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:34, 3 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Wow!! You really do sound like thunder! [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 16:42, 4 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Torch ==<br />
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I had to reject [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4720342 this edit]. For serialized works, we date the parent with the date of the first book publication, not of the serialization. The logic behind this is provided at [[:Template:TitleFields:Date]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:29, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:You'll have to forgive me if I say this rule makes no damn sense at all. There are novels that have been serialized and never put into book form, and novels and short stories that have been revised/altered from one printing to the next. Does each deserve a new copyright date? I'll accept this 'cuz I'm just a peon, but when a book appears in print is when a book appears in print. Still, time to move on.<br />
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:I only brought this up because I'm reading the novel now. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:04, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: You are not the only one who think that this makes no sense at all - but it has to do with the dawn of history and the beginning of the project and a decision being taken to treat them this way (thus having our "first edition date" match the "standard" first edition date - aka - the date of the first book form). If it is the same text, it is the same text but oh well - we do what the community had (and is still seem to have) agreed on. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:44, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Maybe time for a rules discussion? It never made any sense to me either... We have some conventions that are holdovers from the way things were captured in early genre bibliographies and it may be one of those. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:54, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Let's wait out August (vacations and all) and I am all for starting the discussion. Especially because that has bearing on where the novel appears in the bibliography page when you order chronologically... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:59, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Shadow's Torment ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4727681 this edit]: We already have a publication with the new ISBN {{P|774269|here}}. It has a different cover, but when I follow the link to Amazon, it shows the same cover as the one you are editing. Do you know if the existing record is a valid one? Or is this another case of a misleading Amazon cover and we have a duplicate entry? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:17, 17 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Okay, I am responsible for everything this woman has done on this site. I keep track of the authors that I add to this site and she's one of them. I've been updating her works and she keeps reprinting her books under new titles and covers, and it looks like she's done it again, but now her books have different covers and and a different author's name, plus a different page count; bigger letters and larger margins, or were the books revised? Who knows? I can only list what I see on Amazon. Until somebody primary verifies these books we may never know. I try to do my best, but Goodreads was no good in this case either. It may be a case of "Harlan Ellison Syndrome" in which the author is constantly revising their works. Again, I don't know. Some authors can't settle on a definite version of their works. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:52, 17 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, non-traditional publishers are not always kind to us bibliographers. They are not as concerned with edition & printing statements, reusing ISBNs, etc. I approved the edit. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:32, 18 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Across the Universe: Tales of Alternative Beatles ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2767366 this one]. Is the first author "Andrandee Dawn" or "Randee Dawn"? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:22, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, yes. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?789572 September/October issue of Analog] seems full of typos. The author listed in review credits '''''is''''' Andrandee Dawn. I should have caught that typo. Sorry. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 15:19, 4 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A Bubble Burst ==<br />
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Yesterday you changed the date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2768363 this title] to 1903-05-00. The title record however is a variant of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1096310 this record], and according to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:TitleFields:Date our rules] (third bullet) variants are dated on "the earliest known date when this variant record was published", in this case 2017-06-02. The parent record already has the 1903 date. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:46, 4 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Goodnight vs. Good Night ==<br />
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Hello. Could you have [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rosab618#Goodnight_vs._Good_Night a look over here], as an editor wants to update the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15807 a pub you've verified]. I'm inclined to accept, but could you confirm the change is OK with you? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:32, 4 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Changed it. Must have been a subconscious typo. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 17:56, 4 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for the confirmation! As an aside, I updated the pub so that the pub title, contents title, and art title could be updated simultaneously-only one edit needed instead of three (more economical :), hence the reject. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:13, 5 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Ark Liberty ==<br />
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I've added cover art credit to {{P|264314|Ark Liberty}} since that artwork is featured on page 15 of David Mattingly's artbook Alternate Views, Alternate Universes (the signature is hidden under the publisher's red bar). [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 17:27, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:59, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Edit to Armor of God ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4762324 this edit]. Your edit would effectively delete the paperback edition. Did you perhaps intend to clone this rather than update? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 16 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:No. Doctor's appointment. Check it out later. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 11:47, 16 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Meant to clone. Egads, sir, will do it right this time. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 15:58, 16 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Ride the Star Winds ==<br />
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I'm trying to change the cover artist credit for {{P|376546|Ride the Star Winds}} -- the book itself (and the amazon look inside) says cover art by Stephen Hickman, but the art appears on Alan Pollack's website (under Science Fiction) and I pm'd Steve on FB and he says that isn't his art! [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 14:14, 16 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Okay, change it if you wish. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 15:57, 16 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Hi. There are now two COVERART records for this pub. I've asked Susan [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#Ride_the_Star_Winds here] to remove the wrong one, and add a note to explain the artist mixup. Could you have a second look in your verified tp and confirm that the coverart artist has, indeed been credited to Stephen Hickman on the copyright page of your copy? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:57, 22 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::This publication is now in storage where I can't get at it, but [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/6/6c/Table_of_contents_-2.jpg this screen grab] is what I went by. However, if Steve Hickman claims that it is not his, I can only think that he was commissioned for a cover then Alan Pollack's artwork was used instead, but the book credit's were never changed. However, if Susan claims that Alan Pollak is taking credit for this, and it's on Pollak's website, then I'll take her word for it. This just sounds like a publisher's mistake. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:42, 22 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::OK. Thanks for the confirmation. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 01:26, 23 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's Science Fiction, July-August 2020 ==<br />
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Hello, could you confirm that the story title in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?782855 Asimov's] is indeed spelled as 'Nic and Viv's Complusory Courtship '? Ie complusory instead of compulsory, or is it a typo. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:32, 18 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:This must of been a typo, my copy has the correct spelling. Corrected. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:34, 18 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for the confirmation. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:26, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Wisps, Spells and Faerie Tales ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4768231 your submission] for an update of {{t|2776819|Wizard Fight on Sixth Street}} on hold, as I noticed something odd in the publication record of {{p|794368|Wisps, Spells and Faerie Tales}}; the ASIN & Goodreads link to the correct publication, but the contents as entered in the ISFDB does not match the contents as shown by LookInside on Amazon. Looks like a mistake happened with the contents of the pub? Could you have a look? Thanks! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:54, 21 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:To make a long boring story short, but no less boring. My computer has a tendency to not switch to a new page, but to go to a new page and still keep the old one also. It did this again, and I got the two ebooks mixed up. I believe it is corrected now. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 15:47, 21 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::In case you're curious, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/7a/Table_of_contents_-1.jpg here's a screen grab] of the table of contents of the poetry section of the April 2009 issue of '''''Kaleidoscope'''''. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 15:52, 21 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Sparkly Badgers' Christmas Anthology: In Aid of Avon Riding Centre for the Disabled ==<br />
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Hi, <br />
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Had to hard-reject the clone for the ebook on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2778879 this one] - a merge killed one of the titles. Can you please resubmit? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:09, 28 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Sure. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 16:56, 28 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Those variants ==<br />
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What exactly are you trying to do with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4786834 this variant] and the others like that? It looks like you are creating empty parents which are exactly like the child record? What are you trying to achieve? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 10:13, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, it seems I'm responsible for this: there must have been a crossing of actions. I found on the artist's webpage the credit and transformed 'May Dawney Designs' into 'May Dawney', while you, Mark Louis, seem to have submitted your part simultaneously, resulting in a not meaningful varianting. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:30, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Hold on a second. Am I missing something here? We had a credit based on the Look Inside of the actual book (primary source) and for some reason we transformed it into a credit based on a site (secondary source). This should had been handled with a variant -- we go by the book when we know what it says, not based on the secondary sources (and from there the canonical name of the artist as it is a secondary source). Not that I like the "Design" author names but this "change" sounds backwards to what we are supposed to be doing... and the title page of the actual book does use that name. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:01, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::When I entered both names, they were based on Amazon's ''Look Inside'' feature. I just listed what I saw. Much like putting a '''''Phd''''' or something similar behind a person's name. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 17:44, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::Or [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1598 this]. I don't make the rules, I just follow them. If a person lists their name one way on one book, and then they list it another way on another, it's not up to me to change things. I'm just a lowly editor here just followin' them there rules already set down. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:23, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: MLB, I was agreeing with you on this one and questioning Christian's fix (and asking if I am missing something in it). By the time I got to your submission, he had already changed the names inside of the records -- thus making your variants non-viable. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:29, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::Weeeellll, okay, just asking. I'll let it go just this once. You're forgiven. Heh. ;) [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:36, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Hmm, in the early years of mine I was told that we should credit artists (and authors) - that is: human beings - whenever possible, and the corporate 'May Dawney Designs' stands for May Dawney as per her website. <br />
::::::: This is possible for art credits, where we try to credit the actual artists even when they are miscredited or not credited at all. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:15, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: And if that is your reasoning, two things should have happened - a note should have been added to the publication that is changed indicating the actual credit (instead of just deleting information sourced from the book directly - secondary source can be used to correct information from the book if it is wrong but a note is mandatory when that happens - the way you left the publication sounds like the book itself had no credit) and there should have been a discussion about that with the editor who added the original credit, not to mention the list of moderators who approved them - you are doing the same thing again - changing things to look how you like them even if everyone else seems to think otherwise. Shall we take that whole conversation on how we want to credit in this case to R&S as this site is supposed to work in such cases instead of having a single editor making decisions on his own against the apparent consensus and without discussion? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:59, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: I did add according notes to the publications. As written above it wasn't my idea to use the credit: the initial impulse most likely came either from Bill Longley or Michael Hutchins, who were very helpful in my early years at ISFDB. The way of crediting works of art ''is'' usual. Just look at the recent detective work of Susan (O'Fearna), Hyju or Horzel, so it was done totally in line with the apparent consensus. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:12, 7 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) As far as I can tell, there are three separate issues here:<br />
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# What do we enter in the Cover Artist field when the cover art is attributed to a corporate entity like "May Dawney Design"? I don't think this issue is currently covered by Help. The last Rules and Standards discussion -- at least the last one that I can find -- was [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_22#Merge_two_record_for_cover_artist_Nele_Sch.C3.BCtz_.28person.29_and_Nele_Sch.C3.BCtz_Design_.28company_and.2For_person.29 in May 2015] and was inconclusive. The main problem with using "May Dawney" instead of "May Dawney Design" is that it's entirely possible for "May Dawney Design" to have additional employees (temporary or permanent) or outsource some orders. This is probably a bigger issue now than it was in the past because of the proliferation of self-publishing and assisted publishing arrangements which outsource different tasks. We may want to revisit the issue on the Rules and Standards page.<br />
# If we enter a Cover Artist name which differs from what is stated in the book, should we document the differences between what the book says and what our record says in Notes? I believe the answer is an unambiguous "yes". In this case the Note field says "Cover art credit from the artist's website", but it should be expanded to say something like "Cover art credited to "May Dawney Design" on the book's title page. According to May Dawney's web site, she is responsible for the art attributed to "May Dawney Design", so the ISFDB record credits her as the cover artist, ."<br />
# If an editor makes the change described in item 2 immediately above, should he or she use the publication record's Edit History to find the other editors who have worked on the publication and notify them? The answer is definitely "Yes" with a capital "Y". This is very important and the main reason why Edit History pages have been implemented over the last year. Making a change is only one part of the puzzle. Making sure that other editors understand why the change was made and agree with the reasoning behind it is even more important. If they don't understand the reasoning or don't agree with it, they will continue to do things differently. Then we'll have different editors using different data entry standards and/or stepping on each other's toes, wasting everyone's time and generating needless conflict and frustration.<br />
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This goes back to our earlier (2019-2020) discussions re: communications between editors. Please -- ''please'' -- make sure to communicate your changes to the other editors who have worked on the same records. A project which lets multiple editors change the same records can only succeed if the editors communicate with each other. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:05, 7 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for the input: I have changed the notes. The way it is now definitely makes things more clear. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:50, 8 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Kaleidotrope, April 2009 ==<br />
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Were the 5 records at the bottom of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362929 this one] really called "Kaleidotrope, April 2009" or was there a copy/paste mistake? :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:28, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:The website gives a group credit for the artists but does not identify which pieces of art illustrate which story. Until somebody with a copy can say what goes where, I just treated them pieces of unnamed pieces of art. I see that I misidentified several as short stories instead of illustrations. I'll go and fix that. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 15:35, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Ah, that explains it then :) I was really wondering about these 3 stories. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:52, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Virgil Finlay Card Set ==<br />
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I did get the card set you found on etsy, and finally [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2790679 entered it] into the data base. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 12:14, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:If I can ever cough up the money I'm gonna hafta buy a set. Thanks for letting me know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:54, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Omegaverse lawsuit links ==<br />
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Hi. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4811102 your submission] on hold as I don't think these links belong in the Omegaverse series record as these links are about the lawsuit, not info about the series themselves (I think). I'm inclined to reject your edit. Do you have any objection? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:00, 26 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I do think that they are about the Omegaverse. They go through what the series, and what the sub-genre is about. Especially since the author is trying to sue everybody because she believe she invented the sub-genre. This is like E. E. "Doc" Smith trying to sue every other writer for writing Space Opera. In the end, it also deals with other authors that might end up on this site someday. Myself, rape and rape fantasies are offensive, but it is a form of speculative fiction. If you still wish to reject, I won't put up a fight, but these YouTube videos tell more about the genre and the author's books than a few tags would do. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 11:51, 26 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Okay. As I didn't sit through 2+ hrs of youtube, I'll rely on your summary. Approved. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:44, 26 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: I'd add at least part of this explanation in the notes :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:58, 26 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Okay.<br />
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== I Am Eden [2] ==<br />
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I had to reject [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4818279 this merge]. Both records were from the {{P|61697|same publication}}. Looking at the [https://archive.org/details/Thrilling_Wonder_Stories_v29n02_1946-12/page/n11/mode/2up Internet Archive scan], the two figures are different so the second record should actually have been a [3]. I have edited the title accordingly. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:29, 31 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Okay, sorry about the mistake. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 10:32, 31 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Redwall / Jacques -- 16th printing PV ==<br />
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Your PV of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?392775] has a cover image [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/b/b0/BKTG06967.jpg]. However when I attempt to upload a cover image for the 1st printing record [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27693], it warns that I'd be overwriting your image.<br />
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Differences (of mine to yours):<br />
* Much lighter blue for edge background elements, verse, and illustrations.<br />
* $4.50 price<br />
* "Printed in U.S.A. on back lower right, running vertically.<br />
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I'm not sure how to proceed. Thoughts? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:06, 1 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:Every printing has it's own image number, I think, so if you're trying to download a new image to another printing you shouldn't have any problem. I don't know, maybe you should list this question on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk help page], questions usually get good results there. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:45, 1 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:: Or your friendly neighborhood moderator can drop by and help :) The 16th printing file name should have been RDWLLPWRNK0000.jpg. The image BKTG06967.jpg belongs to the first printing. So most likely when the 16th printing was created, the cover was by mistake added to the first and then just linked to the 16th (or something along these lines). You can see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BKTG06967.jpg here] that it links to the 1st printing from Avon from 1990-00-00. So in order to untangle:<br />
::* MLB reuploads his cover to the proper place and changes the link into the 16th.<br />
::* Glenn then overwrites the existing image for the first and adds the link to the 1st.<br />
::* Annie deletes the old image from the 1st printing. <br />
:: If any of you have any questions, please let me know. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:00, 1 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The 2020 Look at Space Opera Book ==<br />
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I approved your clone of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?807354 above pub], but the cover art and introduction are dated after the publication date of the trade paperback. Please fix the dates. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 22:51, 14 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:Sorry, I was suddenly called away on an emergency conference with some doctors, hypodermics, IVs, anti-biotics, and forced bed rest. AGAIN! Will get right to it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 17:47, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Worm Dentral Tonite! (afterword) ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4866295 this edit] which would impact your verified pub. Is this a database typo and the edit should be approved? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:21, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Sounds like a typo on my part. Something I'm famous for. Please go ahead and change it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 15:11, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Genesys X ==<br />
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And the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892255 this] is? We need to add the source when quoting :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:58, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yeesh!!! Guess I forgot. You can add ― quoted from this book’s product page on its Goodreads.com product page as of 2021-01-22 to that quote. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:04, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Done :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:05, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Bayou Hauntings Bundle ==<br />
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The only place that calls [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819559 this book] this way is Amazon - both the cover AND the title page have "The Bayou Hauntings: Books 1-6". Fixed now but don't trust good old Amazon and their child Goodreads that much on titles. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Last Christmas ==<br />
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How sure you are that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819561 this] is a novella? The paperback is over 200 pages and a quick count shows more than 200 words per page (168 on ebook but even that is close enough to make it closer to a novel for me...) And it claims to be a novel on the cover - I think it is too close and I lean towards a novel here... but up to you. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:05, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:I'm in the middle of watching a movie, but I'll go back and change it later. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:06, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: No worries - I will change it. Movies? Your insomnia keeping you up again :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:09, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Yeah.<br />
:::: Sorry :( This one is fixed - hopefully you will feel better soonish. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:11, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov's ==<br />
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I approved the magazine but there are a few typos in the author names. I do not have my kindle handy to check if they were misspelled in the magazine or on the DB so if you do not mind, check the spelling again? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:16, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Werewolf M. D. ==<br />
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Should have rejected [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4903492 this one] - these were the wrong versions - we need the ones matching the book title - so the ones by Taylor Haiden. I will fix it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:09, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:I had the correct title, but it was changed by another moderator, so I left it as it was. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 16:16, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::Um, forgive me, but do you ever sleep? You never seem to stop here on this site. :) [[User:MLB|MLB]] 16:16, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: I know - I fixed the title later and added a note explaining why... This note was about the import: these were the wrong novels inside - you grabbed the ones from Brian Ference and not the variants by Taylor Haiden which we need actually because of the author of the book. :)<br />
::: Sleep had been known to happen :) I just tend to do what I can when I can in between other things and my day job had been some weird hours -- so it seems as if I am always here. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:25, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Shattered God Mythos ==<br />
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Hello, I've accepted your submissions of the Shatterd God Mythos stories, but removed the pub series title from {{p|822010|The Little God}} and {{p|822013|Home Sweet Home}} as these are not publication series, but title series instead (story already existed in the DB). In addition, I've removed the publisher (Petrifying Pages) as well, as there's no mention of publisher anywhere (and no secondary sources either - at least not that I could find) - we never enter ''assumed'' or derived data. That information can go in the Notes. I've also updated the publisher to 'Pure Print Publishing / Petrifying Pages' for the others, as Petrifying Pages is the Horror imprint of Pure Print Publishing, and that was already in the DB too. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:24, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Okay. This is why your job is still entirely safe from me. :) [[User:MLB|MLB]] 12:49, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Propósito alterno ==<br />
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Not sure why you decided that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?822250 this one] is Portuguese - but every single source says Spanish and the first page reads Spanish to me... The Portuguese version is "Propósito alternativo" ([https://www.amazon.com.br/gp/product/1034286870 here] for example). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:35, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Okay. Amazon lists this as saying it's the Portuguese edition. You're multi-lingual, so I'll take your word for this. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:37, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Which Amazon? [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B087JTJTXQ USA/com], [https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B087JTJTXQ UK] and [https://www.amazon.com.br/dp/B087JTJTXQ Brazil] all say Spanish for me and [https://www.amazon.es/dp/B087JTJTXQ Spain] and [https://www.amazon.com.mx/dp/B087JTJTXQ Mexico] do not list a language at the top which means Spanish (and both say in the pub details: "Idioma : Español" as expected). From the others, a few do not list it, the ones that do all say Spanish as well (I just looked through them in case one is messed up). Can you post the link you are looking at because I am very confused? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:47, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Right [https://www.amazon.com/Prop%C3%B3sito-Alternativo-Portuguese-Christopher-Coates-ebook/dp/B089391SYL/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1612581854&sr=8-1-fkmr1 here]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:58, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::::Oh, I see, there's two separate editions. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:00, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: OK, so I am not getting crazy :) Yep, one each per language and in this case the title is slightly different - alterno vs. alternativo. (not always the case but it helps separating them here). Careful with capitalization - unlike English, the romance languages use sentence case - only proper nouns and the first word is capitalized. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:06, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
(unindent) Three small things [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?822301 here]:<br />
: 13.97 x 21.59 cm is tp, not pb (if you see anything over 19 cm, it is a tp; you will almost never see pb in the translations in the authors you usually work on... <br />
: Amazon.es, not Amazon.com.es :)<br />
: When a book has ISBN starting with 979, it will also have an ASIN starting with B and we want these so our links work properly. Self-published books and books from small publishers are now using more and more 979s so keep that in mind. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:53, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: And it seems like the paperbacks for this author are priced for the US market regardless of the language... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:57, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::I'll try harder. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 05:03, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Capitalizing ==<br />
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Hi! Could you please take more care of our rules of capitalization. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/cv_new.cgi?4917187 This] will again need to be fixed. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:22, 18 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:I'm a moron. I looked and didn't see. I rushed and took no care. I'll redo [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4917187 this book]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:37, 18 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for the heads up. I hate being sloppy, which seems to be my default setting. So, I've corrected [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4917187 this book] into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4917486 this book]. I've also corrected the date of the art. I apologize, and hope to do better in the future. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:59, 18 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Beneath Ceasless Skies issue varianting ==<br />
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Did you mean to be varianting issue #279 into #278, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/kv_new.cgi?4921857 here]? I've placed it on hold for the moment to make sure. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:19, 24 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Ah, nevermind. I didn't notice they were the cover art at first. I've approved it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:21, 24 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Forced Rejections ==<br />
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Good evening, <br />
<br />
Left you an answer and explanation over in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Forced.3F the help desk], with an example with one of the rejections which I hope will make the whole thing clear. If not, just ask :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:47, 4 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dating magazines ==<br />
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We never use Amazon to date magazines :) So the date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?700825 this] remains its official publication date; the Amazon date can go into the notes regardless if it is earlier or later. I fixed it after I approved the rest of the changes. That's different from how we handle books (one of the many differences between magazines and books). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:23, 5 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:And yet, you told me that this publication was both and an ebook and a magazine. So, I'm listing both, the Amazon ebook version, and the publisher's webzine version, both of which are similar, but different from each other. The Amazon ebook version seems to downloaded to Amazon a week earlier than the slightly, but very real, different webzine version. A date should be a date. If the Amazon version is available a week earlier, then that's the date that should be used for the Amazon version. I think. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:46, 5 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Nope. I told you it is both ebook and WEBZINE. ebook/webzine is a format like paperback is for example. That is why we want BOTH of them as we want a hc and a tp for a book if both were published. Magazine is a type of publication (like a NOVEL or a COLLECTION) - it does not matter if the format is ebook/webzine/paperback - it is a magazine and follows the rules for magazines dating.<br />
:: Analog get shipped weeks before its cover date. When I was getting it on paper I was getting it long time before its printed date. We still use the date on the cover. Having the magazine in electronic format does not change the rules. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:05, 5 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: PS: If you want to change the rules for dating magazines, please feel free to make your case over in R&S. But as things stand, books are dated based on their actual publication dates; magazines are dated based on their covers (schedules/whatever else can be used). Most magazines will be 2020-10-00 or 2020-00-00 only (like Analog does) but this one has a biweekly dated schedule so we use that (like any other magazine that comes out every week or every other week does). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:11, 5 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: PS2: And the dates on one of those was important - even though Amazon dates it as 2018, it is 2019 for awards eligibility because its official date is 2019 even if it was out a few days early (this is why we date magazines like that - all of the field awards do that with magazines when looking at eligibility). Having the magazine (and because of that the stories) as 2018 here will be misleading. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:18, 5 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Well, since you and me poor sainted mum were both named after St. Anne of Luxemburg, who discovered in the sixteenth century, that if you pumped lots of raspberry jelly into a sweet round baked confection you made God's most perfect food, ever, I'll take your word for it. :) And if that St. Anne story isn't a true story, it should be, but, be that as it may, I'm just a lowly foot soldier-editor and you're the general-moderator, and since them's your orders, it's up to me to carry them out. I'll try to do better in the future. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:28, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Weird Tales Vol. 1 No. 1, March 1923 ==<br />
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A few small changes: Added ASIN (979 ISBNs need them), Added a note on the title (cover vs title page) and added "Pulp Fiction Classics" as pub series... it feels like one based on how the covers and the pages look. If you disagree with the latter, pull it out - I am not really convinced it is but cannot think of where else to stick it and it is on the title page and on the cover. :) The result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828151 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:55, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Looks fine to me. I was going to add "Pulp Fiction Classics" myself, but, **BLUSH-BLUSH**, I forgot. I'm so embarrassed. Thanks. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:07, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Hey, I need to earn my keep around here ;) Something should be left for me to fix. No worries at all. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:35, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: You do not need to add <nowiki><br></nowiki> to make a new line in the DB, just press enter. We had not needed br for at least 5 years now... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:06, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::I've been doing this since 2012, and you know how we old folks are, sometimes these newfangled ways of doing things just get by us. I'll try to remember your wise words and try not let my ignorance get in the way of my edits. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:46, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Curse of the Pharaohs ==<br />
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Goodreads and OCLC as sources means that we need the IDs to be added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828305 here]. Can you add them please? And I also made that a novelization based on what you wrote on the title level. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:00, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Done. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 14:25, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Unless Manor Books is the same as "Corgi Childrens" [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41439020 this] is not the correct Goodreads one. And I see no indication on Manor or on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=corgi&type=Publisher any Corgi] for that relationship. Do you have another GR or do we need to pull off GR as a source? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:53, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::It's been a long day. Got it right this time. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:03, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Devour ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?828412 this one]: Goodreads does not have either a date or an ISBN, Amazon UK does. So adding that as a source. Do you want me to notify you when I add sources like that (to account for all the data) or do you want me to just add them and leave it at that? Thanks for adding it! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:14, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Dammit, dammit, dammit. Looks like I've been making too many mistakes lately. I'll just have keep trying harder. Yeah, add the information if you so wish. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 01:36, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: No worries at all :) Added it - we are all set :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:43, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanx. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 01:46, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Mark Clements ==<br />
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In {{P|496213|Dark Discoveries #26, Winter 2014}}, there is an interview on page 43 of Mark Clements, which is an author with no content in the database. Is this {{A|Mark A. Clements}}? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:57, 20 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Yes. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 15:00, 20 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. Interviewee names should always be entered using the author's canonical name (see [[:Template:TitleFields:Interviewee|here]]). I have updated the record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:25, 20 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Planck vs Plank ==<br />
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Hi <br />
<br />
Could I get you to double check the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2694063 this poem] in the March-April 2020 Analog. It's been nominated for the Anlab award and at both File 770 and the Analog website, they list the nomination as "Planck", whereas we have it as "Plank". Also while I've got your attention regarding this award. We've got the award ranked. The secondary sources will say who won, but don't give the lower rankings and we're missing that data for the 2018 and 2019 award years. I was curious if the winners announcement in Analog has the full rankings. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:26, 20 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: There's Batman, there's Spiderman, and now you've uncovered my superhero identity, it's TYPOMAN. The poems title really is <b>Planck</b>. I can change it as soon as my queue is cleaned out. Looking for my 2018 issues, but I've got the essential 2019 issue right here. As soon as I figure out how to do it, I'll try to add the runners up for the 2019 AnLab Awards. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 13:47, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: One of the submissions in the queue had to be hardrejected (someone merged something?) so you need to redo it but in the meantime I fixed both the poem and the interior art associated with it in this magazine (after checking my ebook copy of the magazine) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:41, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks. Ignore the instructions if you've figured it out, but for the ranked awards, you need to navigate to the award record. e.g., on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?1+2018 this page] click on the asterisk to the left of the the award you want to edit. From there, click on the "Edit Award" tool, and change the Award Level radio button from "Special" to "Poll place". You will also need to add the rank in the text box next to "Poll Place". Submit that, and we should be good. Do let me know if you you have any questions, and thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:15, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::I think I got it right. Let me know I if didn't. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:41, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: You did and all are approved :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:42, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Night of the Living Dead ==<br />
<br />
A few notes and questions on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4948469 this one]:<br />
* The cover has John A. Russo. Do you have access to the title page somewhere?<br />
* Where is the format coming from - both GR and Amazon.com say "paperback" and not "mass market paperback" which for 1995/7 is pretty straightforward (the new "tall mmpbs" had not yet made an appearance so our pb is really mmpb? If it is based on the rest of the books of that era for that publisher, we need a note saying so :) <br />
* Amazon.com says 1997, GR says 1995. A note should be added to the notes explaining the discrepancy if you are using both as sources.<br />
* When Amazon has a date such as 1997-10-01, especially from before 2005 or thereabouts, record that as 1997-10-00 - the 01 is there because their DB needs a day so they put 1... :) Modern books can be published on the 1st but that far back, it is anyone's guess... <br />
Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:18, 29 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:A few answers to your questions:<br />
* A) No. I guess I just didn't see it.<br />
* B) Again, I assumed. Wrongly. Mostly, because information is sparse on that edition.<br />
* C) I did not know. Why do I think there may have been two different editions from this publisher?<br />
* D) I think I had heard that back when I first started editing here eleven years ago, but I had forgotten. 2005...eh? Gonna have that tattooed on my forehead. Do you want me to do this entry over? I was adding to an existing record, but that's no excuse. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:58, 29 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: C) Either Amazon or GR have the wrong year. Pick one, note the other in the notes :) When we find better information, we can precise. <br />
:: D) Most of the 20th century records are from secondary sources and later additions to Amazon... their new data is not too bad generally (well... not great but) but their old one is often from the marketplace and there it can be... interesting. <br />
:: Nah, I will approve it and adjust - no worries. Just wanted to make sure I am not missing something :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:29, 29 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?829999 the result]. As usual - edit any notes you do not like the wording of :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:33, 29 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Complete Night of the Living Dead Filmbook ==<br />
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If you insist that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?831452 this] is an Italian book, you will need to provide a source for that (and a note explaining why a book with an English cover and English title is actually in Italian :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:17, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Sez so right on Amazon: http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/b/b5/Living_Dead.jpg.<br />
:: Except that is not where the ISBN leads to and you did not record the ASIN. When they diverge, we need both - or there is no way to track which book it is. I added the ASIN and the explanation. :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:43, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Madball ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960564 this submission]: I question adding a pub series that is the same as the publisher. Wouldn't all their books be a Black Gat Book? Do they have other pub series? If not, this seems like a marketing tag and not a pub series. If so, the 20 would be the catalog id. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:01, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:You may be right, but it <b>is</b> numbered. I'm a big Brown fan, so I own this book. On the last page there is a list of the first eighteen books, the only other one of interest to this site is one by Leigh Brackett. Maybe no publication series, but keep the number? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 11:28, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I kept the number but switched it over to a catalog id. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:51, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Beneath Ceaseless Skies ==<br />
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I accepted your edit to change "Beneath Ceaseless Skies, #327" to "Beneath Ceaseless Skies - 2021" and then merged it with the exiting editor record with that title. I assume you were doing the title change in preparation for the merge? If so, an easier way (in the sense of requiring only a single submission) is to go to the editor's page (in this case {{A|Scott H. Andrews}}), click the "Show All Titles" link on the right, select both the individual issue record and the year record, and hit merge at the bottom. In the merge screen, you would then select the "Beneath Ceaseless Skies - 2021" title and 2021-00-00 date and submit. Hope that makes sense. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:46, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Los chicos del cementerio ==<br />
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Fixed the language to Spanish, copied the translator to the title page and fixed the price - the 17.95 is the Amazon price. The recommended price above it (18.90) is what we want - that’s the list price. The result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?833615 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:20, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: "Fixed the language to Spanish...", y'know, I'm always messing that part. Sorry. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 03:19, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Happens when you do not work outside of your default often. And even when you do, it still does (just don’t tell anyone) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:21, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Okay then. Sshhh!!! This will just between us two. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 03:24, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) A little note about non-English Audibles. Amazon uses different ASINs for audiobooks when they are across their different Audibles (permissions and so on). So if you are using both es and .com on the Amazon side, you need both ASINs from Amazon and preferably both ASINs from the Audible sides. I added the missing Amazon one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?833639 here] plus the link to the Spanish Audible (our external ID is to the US one only so it goes in as a link). Hope this makes sense. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:20, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Reaper ==<br />
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I am pretty sure Amazon.com does not have the price in rupee for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?833643 this one] :) So you need to add another source for this price in your notes. I added Amazon India to both the sources and the price line. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:29, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Odgen Nash ==<br />
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Can you please double check the author's spelling for {{T|1378355|Victoria}}? Is the misspelling of Ogden a database type or publication typo? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:29, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:It seems like I just saw this book around here somewhere, give me a couple of days. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:08, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::It's called a dumb-a** editor mistake, or a typo in common par-lay-voo, will correct. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 12:39, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::According to the story's blurb, <i>Victoria</i> is also a variant of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1032202 this story]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 12:46, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Swamp Witch ==<br />
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Can you find [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279845 this book]? An editor thinks that the date should be 1983-07-00 and [https://archive.org/details/swampwitch00brid the cover here] and the copyright page there as well seems to agree. Do you have an October book or was that a typo in the month? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:01, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Don't know where that book is exactly, I mean, I know it's here on Earth, somewhere, but where...? Good question. You'll have to give me a little time to find it. If I can. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:08, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Well, as long as you did not leave it in Narnia or on Mars... ;) No worries and thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:09, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And guess what? I just found it, and they're RIGHT! The date is 1982-07-00. I can correct it or they can. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 17:56, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thanks for checking. For some reason the editor who found it preferred to cancel his submission instead of come and post the message I posted when I asked him to talk to you so we can verify the date. Oh well - we are all good now. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:44, 19 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I, USERNAME, shall make an edit since I am the editor who found the correct info, and a moderator will approve it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:01, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Last Temptation of Tony the C ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4962252 an edit] that will impact one of your verified pubs. Would you please check {{P|489140|Mysterious Cat Stories}} and see if the story on page 112 also has a period at the end? I will approve or unmerge / variant based on your answer. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:19, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I can honestly say, that I don't know where that book is. Most of my hardbacks had to go into storage, and being handicapped, I can't get to them, at least, for awhile. I'll take the other verifier's word as to whether or not there is a period at the end. Forgive me for not being up ISFDB standards in this. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:07, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Okay, thanks. The ''The Supernatural Index'' and several online reviews show the period in ''Mysterious Cat Stories''. I have gone ahead and accepted. If down the road you check and find it doesn't have it, we can correct. There is nothing to forgive. We all make typos. You do a ''lot'' of good work and that is appreciated. Take care. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:05, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Thank you, MLB, for your generosity. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:06, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:No problem. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:35, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I checked richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/john-richard-stephens-kim-smith-mysterious-cat-stories-galahad-1994-first-us-edition and 1 of the photos shows contents page with the . after the C, so no need to get your copy out of storage. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:37, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dangerous Visions ==<br />
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I picked up a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8713 this] and note that it states gutter codes are printed on page 544. My copy definately has "Book Club Edition" at bottom of front flap and the number 1179 on the rear flap but alas page 544 has no code at all. Is there anywhere else within the book a gutter code might have been printed ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:09, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I found the gutter code 20K on page 539. Thanks to your helpful guide to guitter codes, where you list an SFBC edition of Brunner's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?183249 Stand on Zanzibar] with that code it appears to be May 1969. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:57, 23 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I don't have a copy of <i>Stand On Zanzibar</i>. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:35, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Beneath Ceaseless Skies, #301 ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4978519 This clone] failed. One of the records inside the pub must have changed after you submitted it. The clone will need to be re-submitted unfortunately. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:11, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Same with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4978674 Beneath Ceaseless Skies, #303]. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:45, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cloning Change ==<br />
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Hello! I hold your submission to clone a new pub to this title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2747558 Change]. Perhaps I'm blind, but I could not find a difference between this two titles. Can you help me! Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:22, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: You are correct. I was going to add the audio book and then fell asleep or got distracted, or something, and then forgot to do so. I'll delete and add the right publication. Sorry. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 12:51, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::There I hope this fixes it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 12:58, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::This happens to me too! Thanks for adding [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 13:47, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover Artist for Asimov's Science Fiction, January/February 2020 ==<br />
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Hello, MLB! I saw that you verified the data for Asimov's Science Fiction, January/February 2020. The cover art is currently listed as being by Dominic Harman [as by Dominic Harmon]. However, my U.S. subscription copy lists his real name: Cover Art by Dominic Harman for "Not this Tide" [see the top-right of the second page of the table of contents].<br />
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Please check your copy and submit a correction to the publication if that's appropriate. Thanks! --Michael 11:25, 1 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
: **Groan!!** Another typo comes back to bite me. I'll change it later today. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 12:37, 1 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Monster-Maker and Other Science Fiction Classics ==<br />
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For {{P|411472|The Monster-Maker and Other Science Fiction Classics}}, I added in a webpage link to the Internet Archive scan. In doing so, I saw the title of the last story had the wrong spelling and fixed it. If by some off chance, your version doesn't match, let me know and I will restore it and create a new version. But otherwise, they are the same edition/printing. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:57, 12 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:So the superhero JLaTondreman once again has to right a wrong done by the evil supervillain <b>Typoman</b>. Good going, and tell your bosses that I personally recommend you for a raise. Yeah, and thanks. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:17, 12 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Innsmouth Cycle ==<br />
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Full subtitle of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42098 this] is "The Taint of the Deep Ones in Thirteen Tales and Three Poems" (title page) so I'm going to change it to that --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:54, 21 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Okay. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 12:56, 21 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Blizzard Price ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?578294; price didn't seem right for a hardcover so I checked an eBay copy's photos and changed it to $9.95; I assume yours says the same and $9.99 was a typo? Also, eBay photos didn't show back flap, so does your copy say who did the cover so I can enter that, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:24, 25 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I do not believe that an artist was mentioned or I would have listed them. If I find the book again, I'll look. If you find out, go ahead a list it. Sorry I can't do better. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 01:09, 25 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Tsathoggua Cycle ==<br />
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I'm very curious to know where the cover art credit for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48904 this] came from. When I got a copy of 2nd edition I checked the copyright page. I'm assuming "someone" decided it was Fassl due to the similarity with many others he did for the CoCF series books. But his name is definitely not on the copyright page. Would you mind checking your copy just so I'm not going totally mad. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 04:30, 25 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Of course you're mad. All those who tinker with fiction based on the elderly sacred texts eventually go quite mad. I'll check later today. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 12:27, 25 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Okay, here's the lowdown: I didn't create the record, I just checked the basic facts, and then verified the book. Yes, I got lazy, thank you for catching that mistake. The cover artist Mark Achilles White and I'll change it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:32, 25 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''The Unseen'' ==<br />
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When you have a moment, could you please check the spelling of {{A|Stefanie Gerber}}'s name in your verified copies of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49172 ''The Unseen''] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5046 ''Bloodshift'']? It looks like it's a variant spelling of {{A|Stephanie Gerber}}'s name and you are the only active verifier with copies of pubs with this version of the name. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:37, 12 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Title of Bubble 475/476 ==<br />
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Hello, MLB. If possible, please check the title on the first page of the "RE: Bubble 475" against your primary copy, and correct it to "RE: Bubble 476", if needed.<br />
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The title in the ISFDB is currently "RE: Bubble 475" but I haven't found that title anywhere on the Internet. On the other hand, the author's site ([https://atgreenblatt.com/2021/03/06/re-bubble-476-published-in-asimovs-science-fiction-magazine/]) lists it as "RE: Bubble 476) with a photo of the table of contents. Tangent online ([https://tangentonline.com/print-bi-monthly/asimovs-march-april-2021/]) also uses 476. Thanks!<br />
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--Michael [[User:Main|Main]] 13:37, 14 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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P.S. We probably don't want to get into those recent physics results that seem to suggest that Bubble 475 is in actuality Bubble 476 and vice versa.<br />
:Typo, will change it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 14:18, 14 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks, MLB!<br />
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== Everliving Books Press / Sourcery Publishing ==<br />
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We only normalize minor publisher name changes. When a publisher changes their name completely, the publications should be entered under the publisher name used in that publication. We then use notes to link the publishers' names together. I have updated {{Pubr|75706|Everliving Books Press}} and {{pubr|75720|Sourcery Publishing}} appropriately. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:56, 24 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Okay. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:30, 24 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Nada the Lily interior art ==<br />
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Hi Mark -<br />
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Please take a look at [[User talk:Rtrace#Nada the Lily interior art|this discussion]]. There was a change to the interior art record for our mutually verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267494 edition] of Haggard's ''Nada the Lily''. I intend to add INTERIORART records for each of the illustrations matching them to those of the first edition. I wouldn't think you'd have any issues with this, but wanted to keep you in the loop. I'll probably make the edits later today or tomorrow. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:37, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:No problem, go right ahead. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 15:38, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Two Factor (Analog Science Fiction & Fact, May-June 2021) ==<br />
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Hi. Can you have a look [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Watchsmart#Two_Factor here], as there may be a typo in one of your PV'd publications. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:13, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Morgenstein/Morgenstern ==<br />
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Hi, I've rejected [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5075937 your submission], but mentioned the wrong reason :) - the author's name is Morgenstein, not Morgenstern. In this particular case, go with what the cover says, not what Amazon has as author. (unless you have other evidence of course - if you do, please mention that in the note to moderators ''and'' in the Pub notes field. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:01, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:HA! Good for you. I actually created this record and I should have caught this! Must of taken too many idiot pills that day. :) [[User:MLB|MLB]] 16:16, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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==Jan/Feb 2021 Analog Typo==<br />
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I think there is a minor typo on the page numbers on your entry for the Jan/Feb 2021 Analog.<br />
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You've got:<br />
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188 • Review: The Sentient by Nadia Afifi • review by Don Sakers<br />
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188 • Review: Psi-Wars by Joshua Viola • review by Don Sakers<br />
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189 • Review: Genesys X by B. J. Graf • review by Don Sakers<br />
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But it should read:<br />
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1'''9'''8 • Review: The Sentient by Nadia Afifi • review by Don Sakers<br />
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1'''9'''8 • Review: Psi-Wars by Joshua Viola • review by Don Sakers<br />
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1'''9'''9 • Review: Genesys X by B. J. Graf • review by Don Sakers<br />
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--[[User:Watchsmart|Watchsmart]] 10:08, 18 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Well, if you're '''so''' smart, smartypants (grrrr, grrrr, grrrr) :). Ha! Anyway, thanks for catching this, I'll correct. And, yes, I should have caught this. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 17:42, 18 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Blessed Curse Chapbook ==<br />
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I've approved your edit adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?857880 this chapbook] and I noticed your notes to both the title record and publication record of the chapbook. I think you really want that note on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2918165 title record] of the newly created novella. There are not currently any other chapbooks by that title, so I don't think there's a risk of confusion. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:55, 20 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, I'll fix that. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 16:59, 20 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sophia Freeman and the Mysterious Fountain ==<br />
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I merged the shortfiction titles and left a note in the cover artists title not to merge them[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_dups.cgi?332736] , here's what it looks like if you submit a merge.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:33, 26 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thank you. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:21, 27 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Neo Cyberpunk: The Anthology ==<br />
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Hi MLB, <br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?859905 this one]. Unless I missed it somewhere, the only credit for Ivano Lago is for cover design (credited on the copyright page) - which means that we do not add a coverart record and just record in the notes. And I fixed the spelling of Forward to Foreword (as it is in the book). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:23, 27 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Depends on who you talk to. I'll take your word for it, but when I started I was informed that the cover designer got the credit when the artist couldn't located. I suppose that was because the designed cover was assembled from various different images. Whatever. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:51, 27 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I asked the official source aka [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt the help page]: "The cover designer (as opposed to the cover artist) is only entered in this field if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field.". Without a credit for art, they do not get a coverart record under the current rules (and yes, that may change one day - that's why I encourage people to add them to the notes...) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:04, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Okay. I'm taking your word for it. It won't happen again. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:08, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: No worries and thanks for working on the small authors :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:22, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing authors ==<br />
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Just a gentle reminder: When you change the author of a publication, you need to always change the one in the title record as well (or split the book out if there is more than one publication). I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5101344 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:13, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines naming and dating ==<br />
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Hello again,<br />
<br />
Just a quick reminder that we treat magazines differently from books: we date based on cover date and not based on exact dates unless the magazine carries the date inside (then the date is cover date really) and we name with the date and not the issue number when we can derive that (and the number goes into the notes). I did a bit of a surgery on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?860140 this one] (and added the name of the magazine to the Afterword essay which was left without it). Feel free to update anything I wrote in the Notes field if you prefer different wording. And let me know if you have any questions/concerns. Thanks for adding this one! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:01, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:No, everything's cool. I looked this magazine up on the internet, and found little. Even their webpage says nothing. But, thanks for the guidance. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:05, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazine Naming ==<br />
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I'm approving your edits to add ''Savage Realms Monthly''. One small quibble: The naming conventions are that the separator between the magazine name and cover date should be a comma instead of a colon. I'll go ahead and fix these after approval. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
: What was going through my little pea brain? Thanks. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 13:58, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: A few updates to these: <br />
::* The dates (As in "date fields") were all over the place (2021-07-00 for the August issue for example, 2021-03-14 for the February one). So I cleared up all of these. Now [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?64525 the grid] does not look like a Picasso painting with February in March and August in July ;) <br />
::* When dating same-named artiwork, we use <nowiki>[2]</nowiki> and not (2) after the name :) So I fixed a few of those. <br />
:: Thanks again for adding these [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:08, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I got careless. Thanks everybody. Had a rough week, but it's no excuse. I knew better. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 14:11, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Happens to all of us :) Hope your week gets better :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:28, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::Thanks. :) [[User:MLB|MLB]] 14:31, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: On the clones I noticed that we had one Afterword as an Interior Art and one as Shortfiction :) So these are now fixed as well. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:56, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Link to specific books ==<br />
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When the link for a specific edition, it goes into the Publication Web pages, not the title ones. :) I am fixing this on the Turkish ones you are adding. I am also fixing the formats - Valis is a 12 x 20 cm paperback (paperback from the original link, confirmed on Amazon and Goodreads, size from [https://www.dr.com.tr/Kitap/Valis-PKD/Philip-K-Dick/Edebiyat/Roman/Bilim-Kurgu/urunno=0001870383001 here] for example :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:39, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And all of them needed a language change from English to Turkish. Not a big deal with novels (although please try not to send them in as English), a nightmare if you send a collection that way. the size of all but Valis is on the original site btw :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:50, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I don't know how I overlooked the language part, stupidity on my part, I guess. Some of these that I did have mentioned "cardboard" covers, which was vague. Regular trade paperback?, or something like our turtlebacks. Now I know. I'll try harder. No excuses for my mistakes. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:40, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Depends on the publisher. Some are doing the regular tp covers; some are doing the fancy paperbacks with flaps. :) Amazon/Goodreads are usually good for figuring out if it is a hardcover or a paperback when you are not entirely sure (because translations can be fun); then for the latter, if it is 20/21 or higher cm, it is a tp. :)<br />
::: For Turkish, it will be "Sert (Kapak)" for hardcover in most places. Karton is a regular/soft cover (as opposed to something as thin as a digest magazine cover for example which is a true "paper" cover); it does translate as cardboard indeed on its own but in this context, it means paperback.<br />
::: And no worries - some of these can be... interesting. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:08, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Plus you just made me laugh like a crazy woman with the "Cosmic Cucumber" comment. ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:13, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Non-fiction and chapbooks ==<br />
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Chapbooks are only used for poems and short fiction (including serials); essays when published on their own go into NONFICTION. Just heads up. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:22, 5 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Melusine ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?336452; I deleted the subtitle. None of the other editions use a subtitle, and I recently added/fixed cover art for most editions but this record's subtitle is stopping me from merging the art, since there's 4 editions with the same art. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:09, 11 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Beneath Ceaseless Skies, #340 Clone pub submission ==<br />
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Had to do a hard reject Title 2930927 is no longer in the database.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 12:04, 13 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dead links ==<br />
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Adding a note that the link is dead is not very useful unless this is the best we can do. The Wayback Archive usually have a valid link for a site that was alive at least for awhile. See how I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?43245 here] :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:44, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Respawn ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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About this update from last year: why did we add [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4631864 this series] inside of Humanhive Universe? From anything I can find on the Russian sites, it does not belong there at all... so any ideas why did you add it there (and that may also be called exhibit A for why I keep reminding people to write moderator note with explanations). Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:12, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:To answer your question, and to do so with an exactitude a person of your intelligence and position deserves: <b>I DON'T KNOW!!!</B> Looks like I got some repairwork to do. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:36, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: No worries, I will fix it. I am adding the Russian originals - that's how I noticed. Just wanted to make sure that there is nothing I am missing. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:59, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I think I found where you got it from - the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?835340 Audible cover] of the second novel says Humanhive world. Which then gets into a "same name used" situation with the STYX series that has a book with that name. I will untangle both series. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:09, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Broken ''The Death Panel: Murder, Mayhem, and Madness'' cloning submissions ==<br />
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Hi. Your two submissions cloning ''The Death Panel: Murder, Mayhem, and Madness'', [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5120730] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5120732], can't be processed because one or more titles present when you did the clone operation are gone (probably merged away). These will need to be resubmitted. I don't know what will remain (or how accessible it will be) if I do a hard reject on them, so I've left them for your reference. Submit new clones and cancel these. If you can't cancel them, let me (or the moderator noticeboard) know, and a moderator can reject them. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:41, 16 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Grumble-grumble. Mumble-mumble. Mutter-mutter. Ohhkay-then. *Pout* :) [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:02, 16 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Okay, I've done it. Let's see if I've done it right this time. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: You did nothing wrong last time. It is just a known limitation of the software - clone records the IDs of the titles at the time of the submission and if between that time and the approval one of the titles get deleted (directly or as part of a merge), the submission is not viable anymore. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:29, 16 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== "The Great San Diego xxx Bimbo Massacre" in ''Peaceable Kingdom'' ==<br />
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I have a submission on hold that wants to change "The Great San Diego '''Slea<u>s</u>y''' Bimbo Massacre" to "The Great San Diego '''Slea<u>z</u>y''' Bimbo Massacre" in your verified {{P|258741|Peaceable Kingdom}}. That would normally look ok to me, but I see Locus1 has "Sleasy" for that story in its contents list for both your pub and {{P|39341|The Exit at Toledo Blade Boulevard}}. Would you check/confirm how it is spelled in your book? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:04, 18 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Okay, here goes. I don't have that book readily at hand, but, I checked it out on [https://www.amazon.com/Peaceable-Kingdom-Jack-Ketchum/dp/1477806547/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1634578404&sr=1-1&asin=1477806547&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1 Amazon], and the table of contents states that you're right. It is <b>sleazy</b>. I am probably going to die by typo sometime. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 13:39, 18 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::That's ok. If Locus1 hadn't had it as in the record, I would have assumed a typo, but here I figured there was a possibility it was correct. I will accept the submission. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 06:45, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Carla Jablonski ==<br />
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Let's talk about that. You tried to make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?7345 her] an alternative name of two writers - R. L. Stine and a collective pseudonym of 2 other writers (Rob Kidd). None of those is correct - alternative names cannot have books and not all of hers are Stine's (or someone else's) and alternative names cannot have their own alternative names. So... what exactly are you trying to achieve here? Which books does this concern and so on - so we figure out the best way to do the connections. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:27, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Okay, if one goes to [https://carlajablonski.com/books Carla Jablonski’s website] you can see that she claims to have ghostwritten [https://www.amazon.com/Calling-Creeps-Goosebumps-Quality-1996-12-01/dp/B01K3H8OZW/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=Calling+All+Creeps&qid=1635191429&s=books&sr=1-2 Calling All Creeps!]. In my book, this means that <b>she</b> has ghostwritten <b>this</b> novel, and therefore deserves to get credit for it. No, not all [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?893 R. L. Stine]'s are written by her, but if you check his page you will see that he has had a number of novels ghostwritten by others.<br />
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:As for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?37702 Rob Kidd] name, Kidd seems to be a house name for this series, and Jablonski is a book doctor, and on her web page she claims to have written [https://www.amazon.com/Siren-Song-Pirates-Caribbean-Sparrow/dp/1423100190/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=The+Siren+Song&qid=1635192484&s=books&sr=1-4 The Siren Song], and yet, her name doesn’t appear [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?37702 here], so I was trying have her listed as an alternate name to Rob Kidd, which, having written one novel in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28930 Pirates of the Caribbean] series, is a place where her name should be.<br />
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:I didn’t know I was doing something wrong, or violating protocols. Life is a learning process. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 16:59, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I do seem to create more trouble than I'm worth sometimes, I guess. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:35, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Stop that. :) Only people who do not try, do not make mistakes. You are doing a great job - this one is just gnarly. The Kidd then is an easy one - she becomes one of the alternatives for Kidd (the opposite of what you tried). For the other one we have a ghost writing from an active author so we do co-writing credit and do not connect the names. Let me get to it in a few minutes and will post the result back. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:00, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: For the Kidd: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?37702 here it is]. You just went the wrong way for it :) <br />
::: For Stine. Add the book as by Stine. Then we create a parent title with Stine and her as authors - that puts it on her page as well and we do not connect the names otherwise. The problem with connecting is that the way the site works, if you make someone a pseudonym, they cannot have their own titles. Which obviously will be wrong here. So we do as we did it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2167415 here], usually also adding notes with a source. Let me know if I can assist with anything else and if you want me to add that Stine book. Thanks for finding this information! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:00, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::That sound that you hear is my tearing out of my hair! Let's hope I got it right this time. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:17, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: Your poor hair... use some extra conditioner next time :) You are trying - even when you do not get it exactly right, you at least are trying to find a way to do the things that need doing instead of just ignoring them or doing an edit and leaving everything for someone else to mop. Now that you know how to deal with these (and why), next time you will know how to handle. The only reason I had the latter one on my fingertips was because I helped someone fix the second novel of that same series lately - otherwise I would have been still digging through help pages and thinking of options. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:23, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: OK - you got the novel right. The excerpt - you tried to edit the variant title (the "as is inside of the book" one). So I had to reject - but I fixed the parent one with the info from the submission I rejected so all set there. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:28, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::(ꙨᴥꙨ)!!! I'll try harder. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:08, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The award records ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
<br />
What were you trying to do with these? None of them had a change on them (and it was not that anyone beat you to the change, no field was changed at all when you submitted). So... what were you trying to do? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:44, 1 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I see what I did wrong. I was trying to put each story in its place (second place, third place, etc.), as they are listed in the magazine. I guess I forgot to do that extra step. I'll try again. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 05:50, 1 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Forgot to change the radio button before submitting? :) Thanks for taking care of these :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:01, 1 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes I did, and now all of my honorable ancestors are shamed by me. :( [[User:MLB|MLB]] 06:02, 1 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Nah. All of them are too busy scaring children tonight - it is a special night after all. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:21, 1 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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==March/April 2021 Analog Typo==<br />
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I think there is a minor typo on the page numbers on your entry for the March/April 2021 Analog. The Reference Library starts on page 199, but you've got it listed at 198. Can you double check that? Thanks!<br />
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--[[User:Watchsmart|Watchsmart]] 07:41, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll check it out. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 17:33, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cold Sanctuary ==<br />
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Careful when you are cloning - you sent [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?867731 this] as a tp with 294 pages while it is the ebook record of the tp you cloned out from. your source is also for the ebook and not the tp. All fixed now but heads up. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:50, 11 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Tim Curran's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?862862 In the Flesh] ==<br />
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Hi, Mark! By the statement at Amazon and by sheer logic (and likely, also by word count), the last piece 'The Underdwelling' seems to be a NOVELLA, not a NOVEL, and the container title thus a COLLECTION. Could yo please take a second look? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:57, 12 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, I'll switch it over. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 05:01, 12 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Done, I hope that I've done it right. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 05:06, 12 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Approved. Do you plan to fix all of these publications now to adjust their types as well? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:07, 12 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: ? [[User:MLB|MLB]]<br />
::::: You changed the type of the reference title of 5 books (3 that were novels, 2 omnibuses). After that was approved, you need to update the books as well: in the omnibuses to just change the type inside of the book; in the ex-novels to change the type to chapbook and to add a chapbook record to them. You can use the story [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2217443 title record] for the list of them so you can work through them. Let me know if you have any questions or if you prefer someone else to complete the type conversions you started with the two edits. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:21, 12 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::When I switch NOVEL to CHAPBOOK I get <i><b>When editing publications, the Regular Titles subsection of the Content section must contain one title whose type matches the publication type. For Magazine and Fanzine publications the matching title type should be EDITOR.</b></i> [[User:MLB|MLB]] 05:51, 12 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::: Yes. Read my message again. You need to ADD a chapbook in the Regular Titles section in addition to changing the type of the book. You know how when you add chapbooks, you need to manually add a story? Same thing here, just in the opposite direction. You have a story, you need to add a chapbook. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:59, 12 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::: Approved. I also merged the 3 new chapbooks (no way to import them - the software is trying to protect you from doing something weird so you always add new ones when you are doing novel -> chapbook conversions). Thanks for taking care of these :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:19, 12 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::Now I need to lay down. This made my head hurt, and it's past my bedtime. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 06:22, 12 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Excerpts ==<br />
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Just a quick reminder: we do not add "(excerpt)" when the title of the excerpt does not match the work. So if the title is "An Excerpt from The Haunting of Willow House" already, we do not need "(excerpt)" :) I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2946788 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:15, 16 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:Now I know. Your job is still safe Annie. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 16:39, 16 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov's Science Fiction, February 2015 ==<br />
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Can you please double check the title of the poem on page 35 of {{P|498046|Asimov's Science Fiction, February 2015}}? I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5158860 this submission] which would change the title. What does the title page have? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:46, 25 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:I'll do what I can, may take a day or two. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:07, 25 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Been in that happy land of white coats, nurses, and needles for the last week. I'll take everybody's word that l made a typo and that it should be changed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 09:50, 2 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov's Science Fiction, May-June 2021 ==<br />
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Hi Mark, can I point you to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5161142 this submission] from a new editor, who wishes to add to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?836666 an edition of Asimov's] that you have verified. I've put the edit on Hold and left a message on this editor's [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:TemplarB#Asimov.27s_Science_Fiction.2C_May-June_2021 Talk page], which you can add to. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 00:10, 28 November 2021 (EST)<br />
: Please feel free to add to my entry if need be. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 09:44, 2 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== regarding missing short story in Asimov's ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
As I see, you were already informed that there is a missing story in Asimov's Science Fiction, May-June 2021, namely Phosphor's circle on p. 162-167 and I saw that you've agreed but it hasn't appeared. This is my first edit, so what should I do to insert it?<br />
[[User:TemplarB|TemplarB]] 11:27, 11 December 2021 (EST)<br />
: After seeing this message I released your edit from being on Hold and approved it, and I offer my apologies that I didn't see MLB's response earlier. It's now present in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?836666 the publication], and thanks once again for your contribution! [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 02:46, 12 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::I apologize for not seeing your message, but we've had a black-out for the last couple of days. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:09, 12 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Law of Survival / Kristine Smith ==<br />
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While PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20021] I noticed the printing statement in the notes has 'Avon/Eos', but my copy doesn't. Can you confirm? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:03, 13 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Ping? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:59, 25 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Honestly, due to the chaos of the recent couple of years, a number of my books have gone AWOL, and this is one of them. Please fell free to change the publisher's data if you so wish. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:20, 25 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Galaxy's Edge, Issue 1: March 2013 ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5179530 this submission], a couple of comments/concerns:<br />
*Shutterstock does not create art. They are a library of stock photos. It would be better to credit the artist (which is diversepixels per the Shutterstock page) instead.<br />
*The images are not the same. They are very, very similar, but the position of the buildings against the "moon" is different. Unfortunately, I don't see a date on the Shutterstock page so not sure what came first. It's probable that it's the same artist, but the artwork could also be inspired by the cover if the Shutterstock artist saw it.<br />
*When adding a cover artist credit that is not from the pub, the source should be added to the pub notes and not the moderator notes.<br />
Thoughts? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:24, 23 December 2021 (EST)<br />
: I guess I got careless, try harder next time. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 14:23, 23 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Under the Yoke / Stirling ==<br />
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My copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52751 Under the Yoke] (which I'm attempting to PV) doesn't have a number line. Can you confirm? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:47, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
: No. I was only a transient verifier. I no longer have that book. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:54, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Rose Sea / Stirling/Lisle ==<br />
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When PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46357 The Rose Sea] is see the notes indicate a full number line. My copy doesn't have one. Yours? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:52, 29 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Tales from the Red Lion ==<br />
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Hello, MLB. Happy New Year. <br />
In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?392890 this book], is there a story called "Lion's Share" by Paul Dailing?--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 16:47, 4 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:No. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:49, 8 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Rats. Thanks anyway.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 03:49, 14 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Kaleidotrope, January 2022 ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
<br />
Kaleidotrope is a quarterly, not a monthly and has the season on their title (Spring and so on) and not the month as they shift between the months sometimes and we keep the date as printed (the season IS a date in that regard) (this will probably become Spring 2022 if they hold the pattern of naming). What is the source for the naming [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?874506 here]? Did I miss an announcement somewhere that they are changing their practice - I do not see anything about that on their site? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:07, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:No, when I entered the contents there was <b>no</b> date, as I mentioned in the notes, I had no choice but to add the date it was posted. If there is no date or no number, what would you suggest? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:05, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::If you go [https://twitter.com/CindFan here] it looks like Ms. Fan has dated this issue Winter 2022. So, I'll change the date. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:29, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: I’d usually check the previous year and use them as a guide :) And Yep - Winter, not spring. My brain missed a season. :) Thanks for adding it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:43, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Stealth Insurgence ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5191751 this submission]: I'm not seeing anything in the Nook preview that shows this is a different publication that {{P|874900|this version}}. We don't create separate records for ebook formats. We treat them the same unless the contents are somehow different. Am I missing something? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:24, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:No, not as far as I know, except the Barnes & Noble version has 2 MB, and the Kindle version has 3026 KB, and that might mean something to those with limited memory in their reading devices. Although I have seen different covers, and different posting dates. Others have done it, but now I know better. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:20, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Lights Out ==<br />
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Concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5195668 this submission]: where did the price come from? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:01, 13 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Publisher's website. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:18, 14 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::[https://thunderstormbooks.com/thunderstorm/book/lights-out/ Lights Out] [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:18, 14 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Accepted and note + URL added. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:45, 14 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Blood and Whiskey ==<br />
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Hi. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5200762 your submission] on hold as I'm wondering why you would add this publication to the database? As far as I can deduce, there's no speculative fiction contents in it? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:09, 18 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Yes I do. If you look at the sheer volume of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?31116 Bryan Smith]'s supernatural and horror fiction, then a few over-the-top thrillers should be included on his page. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:40, 18 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: I disagree - this author is not 'over the threshold'. The volume of his publications is insufficient to warrant non-spec fic horror. So, unless Blood and Whiskey is supernatural, it should not be added to the database. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 04:06, 19 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Well, I would like to put it up for discusion. Just how much supernatural horror does a writer have to write to be over the threshold? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 08:33, 19 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Sure, feel free to put it up on the Community Portal:) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:07, 19 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Self-approving ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
<br />
Interested in self-aproving - the new and shiny in between step that just allows you to self approve your submissions and not wait for a moderator? If you decide you are ready for it, I would support it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:38, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Annie, are you trying to groom me to be moderator? I'm not sure that I'm competent to be left on my own. I don't want to let you down. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:49, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: One day if you want to (although not yet - mainly because of the parts of the DB I had never seen you in) - having the self-approval as a first step is useful (and not an option we used to have). But your edits are clean, you ask for help when you need it and you understand the parts of the DB you work in - so I am comfortable with you self-approving. So I thought I’d stop by and ask if you interested. If you decide you want to, post on the Moderator board and we can see what everyone else thinks. Plus no one is going anywhere - if you need help, someone will help - we just won’t be able to approve/reject your edits. So what do you think?[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:55, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Prentice Hall Anthology of Science Fiction and Fantasy - Questions and possible edits ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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I recently obtained a copy of "The Prentice Hall Anthology of Science Fiction and Fantasy". My copy appears to be a first edition, with the same ISBN and a numberline of "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1" (I could be confused about what the numberline means).<br />
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I noticed a few issues in the table of contents of my tp copy vs. the two ISFDB entries that I had questions about. (2003 version, that you verified, at http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?398104, and 2000 version, that Markwood verified, at http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251064). I should note that the contents of both of these ISFDB entries appear to be identical as noted in the ISFDB TOC.<br />
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The possible discrepancies are:<br />
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1. "The Gray Wolf", George McDonald, p 208, (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?923573) does not show up in either ISFDB TOC. It is in both the TOC and the body of the book in my tp version. I would appreciate it if you could check your TOC and body of the book and verify that this story is present in your copy. I'll add it if we can conclude it is present in all copies.<br />
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2. "Introduction....", P 1, does not show up in either ISFDB TOC. It is in my copy in both TOC and the body of the book. I would appreciate it if you could check your TOC and body of the book and verify that this entry is present in your copy. I'll add it if we can conclude it is present in all copies.<br />
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3. A. E. van Vogt's "The Weapons Shop" is listed as such in my copy, both TOC and body of the book and in the copyright info, which does match original publication in Astounding. It is listed as "The Weapon Shop" in the two current editions in ISFDB. I suspect this was a typo, but I could be wrong. I would appreciate it if you could check your copy and let me know if this needed to be revised.<br />
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4. A number of the page numbers for stories are off by 1 page in my TOC and body of the book, vs the two ISFDB editions. I am not sure what is going on here, but I suspect that the the original ISFDB TOC was perhaps using the page the story title appeared on, and not the page the author bio is on for the story that immediately proceeds the title, which is how the TOC in my paper version is put together. This applies to "The Damned Thing" (P81 in ISFDB, P80 in mine), "Dracula's Guest" (P87 in ISFDB, P86 in mine), "The Monkey's Paw" (P95 in ISFDB, P94 in mine), "Catnip" (P126 in ISFDB, P125 in mine), "The Tower of the Elephant" (P257 in ISFDB, 256 in mine), "A Martian Odyssey" (P557 in ISFDB, P556 in mine), "There Will Come Soft Rains" (P719 in ISFDB, P718 in mine), "Dust Rag" (P840 in ISFDB, P839 in mine), "Or All The Seas With Oysters" (P853 in ISFDB, P852 in mine), "Without A Thought" (P869 in ISFDB, P868 in mine), "The Fiend" (P876 in ISFDB, P875 in mine), "Driftglass" (P895 in ISFDB, P894 in mine), "Roommates" (P931 in ISFDB, P930 in mine), "The Undercity" (P952 in ISFDB, P951 in mine), "Opening Fire" (P961 in ISFDB, P960 in mine), "The Engine at Heartspring's Center" (P965 in ISFDB, P 964 in mine), and "The Plague Star" (P1049 in ISFDB, P1048 in mine).<br />
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I checked in with Moderator AnnieMod on this issue. ISFDB is somewhat silent on this issue at the moment, of having the ISFDB TOC page number match the version page number when the author bio is what the version page TOC is based on. She mentioned that the help page needs to be updated to address this kind of issue (if that is what is going on), but she did not give direction to make an edit. I would appreciate your thoughts or confirmation on what is happening here.<br />
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5. Although minor, the "Index" and "Credits" (detailed copyright info) are not listed in either current ISFDB TOC, nor in the Notes. I assume they are present in all editions following the last essay currently noted in the TOC. AnnieMod concurred that this is not mandatory but is helpful, and I'll add them to the Notes unless there is a good reason.<br />
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Given that the TOC for both ISFDB editions of this book appear to be identical, I'll notify the PV (MARKWOOD) that this is doing on and will propose to do the same thing to both editions after we reach agreement. I am approaching you first, as MARKWOOD did note that his copy might be packed away and hard to get at.<br />
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Thanks for your help, and for getting this into the DB originally.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 00:28, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:My sympathies. I had to get this anthology for a college course, and I damn near had to sell a kidney to buy it. Still, that is neither here nor there. So, the fourth point is easy. ISFDS rules state that usually all stories start where the first illustration starts, this can also count for title pages or biographies. If you use other means, then a note would be good. But, the table of contents can be wrong. That being said, it was one of my early edits, and I may have gotten somethings wrong. I was actively discouraged from listing acknowledgements, credits, and indexes when I started, so I usually don't do it now, so go ahead. My copy of this book is in storage, and you'll have to wait until I see if I can find somebody to help me look for it to answer any of the other questions. If you wish to change anything in my listing, please go ahead. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:15, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Sorry, Dave888, but I can't add anything to this discussion, since I sold my copy. (Apologies for not having switched my verification to "Transient". Just now fixed that.) And a side note: MLB, sorry you 'damn near had to sell a kidney to buy it', but FWIW, I sold my copy on ABEBOOKS for $80.00, so now at least you know the value of a kidney. ;) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:46, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::MLB, thanks for the update and information. I'm not in a hurry on this; I have a note on my ISFDB Tickler List. I did check, and I was unable to find a copy at my regional library consortium, and Interlibrary Loan is not yet working for books. I'd be perfectly happy to check back in a month or two or more. Let me know if you need more time, or if I should just go ahead with the edits. Markwood, my sympathies. I considered myself very fortunate to be able to buy a pretty cheap used copy at about $22, in pretty good shape. I was really hoping to find a library copy, but was not able to. I'm kind of facing the same issue for Heather Masri's "Science Fiction: Stories and Contexts".<br />
Best wishes.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:31, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::I'm not territorial so go ahead and change/add anything if you got the book in front of you. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:42, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::::Thanks. I'll go ahead and make those changes. I appreciate the feedback and help.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 23:11, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::My thanks to you and Markwood for your help. I believe the edits are done for both editions.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:15, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Eagle series numbering ==<br />
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Hi. I've approved your submissions, but which Eagle is the first in the series (you have two no. 2 in the series atm)? - see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?65683 here]. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:56, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Also, this book, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?315514, has what seems to be a signature on lower right. Anyone know who it is? --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:00, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::I've corrected the numbering. Late night. I was using [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/dorer_frances SFE] and made a typo flipping back and forth.<br />
::As far as the signature goes, at first, I thought it might be Greg Theakson, but, I think not. I know that I've seen it someplace, but I don't know where. There's also a partial of the signature on another of their books, but Manor was a notorious third tier book company, which might have been a money laundering company for organized crime, and constantly reprinted books and covers without paying anybody, so it might have come from anyplace. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 12:54, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::The artist is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?87417 Fred Hinck]. The image is also used on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35309 "The Ark"] by Jarl Szydlow. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:12, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::Thanks. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 14:24, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Deep Sea Scroll ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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What you entered as BN (9781949078220) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?879027 here] is the ISBN of the paperback and our record is for the hardcover. The correct one would be 9781949078244 but BN numbers starting with 978/979 are always ISBNs and should not be added as BN numbers - we already have an ISBN based link to BN in the left menus and you already have the ISBN in the ISBN field. When they do not match as it is the case here, that tells you that they belong to different edition so let's not add them to the wrong editions. I removed it from this book. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:03, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:07, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Self-approver ==<br />
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Congratulations, you are now a self-approver! From now on, creating a submission will take you to the "Approve/Reject" Web page which will let you approve your own submissions. Please note that any pending submissions created in the past (if there are any) will need to be approved by a moderator. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:54, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Check your pending edits please ==<br />
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You have 5 of them on the board. A moderator can process them (as it turned out) if you require so but none of them has a note asking us to so I assume you just forgot them. As a self-approver, please check your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/myrecent.cgi?0+N pending page] occasionally (at the end of the every day for example) and deal with the things you did not finish :) Thanks! PS: Having fun yet? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
: Done, still getting used to this. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:17, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: That's normal :) <br />
:: PS: And please check your links - always click on them after you approve something to make sure you did not gave a copy/paste accident. Can you please fix:<br />
::* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?880745 this one] - that's an ASIN so move it to ASIN and find again the GR number<br />
::* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?876353 this one] - we kinda need a GR number<br />
::* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?878238 this one] - ASIN/GR again<br />
:: A few were moderator-approved and they missed to click on the links as well but they do need fixing so... :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:53, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Okay, I do believe that I fixed them. Now if you go to the nearest window and stick your head outside that's not thunder, but me banging my head against my front room wall. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 14:10, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: Don't do that - it hurts. Find someone else's head instead :) Thanks for fixing them - mistakes always happen but checking every link/linked ID you add is always a good idea - minimizes the number of mistakes in the long run. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:12, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Steven Brust / Teckla==<br />
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I am posting this to AndonSage and MLB. You are the only two active PVs of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34635 Teckla].<br><br />
I will PV this and will correct the spelling of "Wilding" to "Windling".<br><br />
The pub record states that the cover art is signed but I cannot see the signature. I am aware that Hickman sometimes signs his art with a glyph, as per this publication: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?275196 Destination: Universe!] but I cannot see that on the cover of Teckla either. Can someone put me out of my misery and point me at the signature? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 12:48, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Just a Heads Up ==<br />
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I have been working on one of the cleanup reports. It looks like you are using a template for the notes when you create digital audio download publications. You use the format "Novel"(space)Narrator Template for one of the notes. This looks odd in any publication type other than novel. I didn't change any of the 4 or 5 I came across. Advance search shows, 50 chapbooks, 18 collection, and 4 anthologies like this. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:57, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
: Yes, typos are my kryptonite, I try to correct them, but sometimes they seem to slip by me. Point out a few to me and I'll go back and fix them. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:10, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_ctype&O_1=notexact&TERM_1=NOVEL&C=AND&USE_2=pub_note&O_2=contains&TERM_2=Novel+%7B%7BNarrator&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication Here are all of them]. You can even use the same link to check if anymore had accumulated. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:31, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:::(Ꙩ.Ꙩ) That many? I'M ON IT!!!! I wasn't planning on eating today anyway. Your wish is command!!!! [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:58, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: When one adds a lot of books, various lists start getting a lot of entries. :) Take care of yourself - these are not going anywhere. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:32, 20 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::<i>Star Date 2022/02/19</i>: Lowly Ensign MLB was contacted by Commander Annie Yotova of the “Starship ISFDB” and assigned the mundane task of cleaning up numerous mistakes made by an anonymous crewmember to the data of the Starship. Ensign MLB is now reporting back that all the glitches have now been corrected with the hope that this will help the “Starship ISFDB” run smoother in its journey into the future…and BEYOND. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:39, 20 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Afterw[ao]rd (The Last Gasp) ==<br />
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Hi, you have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42766 a pub of Trevor Hoyle's The Last Gasp] PVed - it looks like the "afterward" is a typo dupe of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1923078 the "afterword" from another pub], and should probably be merged? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 13:46, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Fixed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:35, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Juvenile chapbooks ==<br />
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Just a reminder that after you add a juvenile chapbook, you need to go back and add the juvenile flag to the story as well :) A few of your additions in the last month or so showed up on the report for mismatches so... a gentle reminder :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:07, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:Now I know. Thanks for the reminder. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:36, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Gondola ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?601614; Beautiful cover is by Hector Garrido (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=739105), so I've added that in a pending edit. That art page says 1971, so if you could check yours and see if there's any code on the last page or something that includes a "71". --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:56, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
: Just got out of the hospital, so right now I can't get at it. See what I can do in the future. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:08, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover Artist for Analog March/April 2022 ==<br />
The actual artist behind the stock foto is an alias 'alteraposto', the actual artwortk can be found here: [https://www.123rf.com/photo_140391869_deep-space-landscape-nebulae-planets-space-station-science-fiction-.html 123rf.com]. I haven't changed the publication. Cheers, John. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 13:42, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I have corrected the information, and I have added more information on the artwork's page. Thanks for the heads up. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:11, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Shadow Before ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411999; I added price, $4.50, from Archive.org copy. Your note said there was no price; is your copy price-clipped? --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:46, 31 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes. Ex-library edition, was probably a donation before it was culled and I got it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 12:03, 31 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Frontier Cthulhu ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?208093; Did a few things for this using Archive copy, including correcting page count which was off by 20+ pages. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:16, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Okay, thanks. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:46, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Shadow Before ==<br />
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Would you mind double checking your copy of {{P|411999|The Shadow Before}}? I'm holding a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5277691 submission] that would add the price based on a [https://archive.org/details/shadowbefore00davi/page/n1/mode/2up Internet Archive scan] that has the price on the front dust jacket flap. However, the current pub note states "No price listed". The scan seems to match otherwise, but I would like to confirm whether it's a database error or there were two versions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:54, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: He already answered when I wrote him earlier; see a few messages above. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:20, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::That should have been stated in the moderator notes & the publication notes adjusted accordingly in your submission. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:25, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: If he'd mentioned his copy was price-clipped when entering his edit nearly 10 years ago I wouldn't have had to ask him anything. I enter my edits and then ask PV questions if necessary because many of them have told me to just go ahead and make changes since they've made so many mistakes in their edits over the years that it's a waste of time for me to contact them every time unless there's a major change, and I think I've proven by now that when I make a change it's usually correct. In this case I only contacted him because I was curious why he didn't see a price, and now I know; also, I don't mind asking him a question now and then because unlike many other editors I've dealt with here, he isn't hostile and can usually answer people's questions politely. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:39, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Pulp Apocalypse ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2810932; Should be Blade, right? Also probably missing a colon. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:52, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Analog Science Fiction and Fact, January-February 2022 ==<br />
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Mark, in your verified publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?874043 Analog Science Fiction and Fact, January-February 2022], two of three author names in this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2965959 review] were misspelled. 'Sarah Rafael Garcia' entered as ' Sara Rafael Garcia' and 'Alex Hernandez' as 'Alex Hernandex'. This caused the names to show up on the 'Authors That Exist Only Due to Reviews' error report. I have corrected the names since neither are recognized alternate names. If these are your typos, nothing more needs to be done. If the names are spelled incorrectly in the publication, you need to add a note. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Reviews Here] is the relevant help section. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:54, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Vick[iy] MacDonald Harris ==<br />
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Hi, you'd added some contents to an anthology [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5253332 last month], in particular [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2998513 a story by "Vicki MacDonald Harris"]. There's also a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2169590 Vicky MacDonald Harris], who has a story in (what I think is) a sequel to the aforementioned anthology.<br />
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I looked at the Amazon UK previews for the ebook and tp of the former, and the references on the previews (copyright page and back cover of the tp; copyright & contents page of the ebook) all refer to "Vicky". Any idea if this is just a data entry typo, or whether we need to keep both author records and make one an alternate? (Based on [https://twitter.com/vickymharris Twitter account], the y spelling looks to be the correct spelling, FWIW.) Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 17:51, 9 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Yeah, "Typo" is my middle name. I'm glad people like you are around to catch my bloopers. I have corrected the mistake, so now you may do what you wish with it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:54, 9 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. These weren't author(s), pubs or titles I was interested in, it was just something that caught my eye as a likely error whilst looking for a completely different "Macdonald" author, and as the edits were fairly recent, it seemed likely there'd be a better than usual chance of getting to the bottom of things :-) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 15:29, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Starfish cover ==<br />
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My copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257488 Starfish] has a metallic silver background to the main title on cover page. I'm assuming the image on the record is blueish due to scan issues, rather than the actual color, but please confirm. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 23:46, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== 'Modified' series by Kat Stiles ==<br />
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I did some surgery on the 'Modified' series by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?265967 Kat Stiles]. A few observations since you are a Self-Approver. <br />
* From the help section "A publication may be classified as an omnibus if it contains multiple works that have previously been published independently, and at least one of them is a NOVEL, ANTHOLOGY, COLLECTION, or NONFICTION." Since the only contents were the serial installments, it failed this test. ('Omnibuses without Contents Titles' is what alerted me to the problem)<br />
* Handling serials<br />
# For title type SERIAL, do not use any fields other than title & author. <br />
# The serial installments are linked via variant. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_connect_serials_to_titles Relevant help section]. This series illustrates both possible scenarios, one title only published in serial form and one published in full as well as serialized. Any other information (series, series number, length, any relevant notes or links) belongs in the parent. Since the installment were published as (Chapbooks), it is necessary to keep the serial titles the same as the chapbook titles. Fortunately, there is enough disambiguation. They will show up on the 'Serials without Standard Parenthetical Disambiguators' report, but the ignore flag can be set.<br />
* When converting an omnibus, remove the content titles from the publications before changing the title type. (Got a yellow warning the first time and had to change back to omnibus)<br />
Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:33, 24 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
: No, no questions. If I made a mistake, and you fixed it, thanks. I like being kept on my toes. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:27, 24 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Midnight Zoo Title ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?59553; Note about "The Children's Hour" but story in contents was entered as "The Children's Horror". --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:34, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== 30 Days of Night ==<br />
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Archive.org copy says October, not September. You didn't leave a note so does your PV copy say September or was it a mistake? --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:14, 17 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: That I don't know, it was one of my first edits way back when I was a young man, and the book is in storage. I'm pretty sure I copied it verbatim from the copyright page, still, typos exist, if you wish to change it, go ahead, I'm not territorial, I make mistakes. Editors like you keep me honest. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:03, 17 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Bones of the Past ==<br />
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I would like to make the following changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5220 Bones of the Past] before I PV it:<br />
<br><br>1. Change the page count to [6]+ii+318+[9]<br />
<br>2. Replace the existing notes with these:<br />
<ul><br />
<li>"First Printing, March 1993"; no number line.<br />
<li>"Cover art by Larry Elmore" on the copyright page. Signature on the artwork.<br />
<li>The map on page [6] is uncredited and has no signature but is the same as the map credited to Ellen Kostyk in <i>Fire in the Mist</i>.<br />
<li>The map on page [319] is uncredited and has no signature.<br />
<li>LCCN from LoC catalog lookup.<br />
<li>The book starts with the "Prologue" on Roman numeral pages i and ii but then restarts the page numbering with Arabic numerals for the remainder of the book; the first page with a printed Arabic numeral is page 2.<br />
<li>Includes a 6-page extract from <i>Born to Run</i> by Mercedes Lackey & Larry Dixon titled "There Are Elves Out There".<br />
<li>The <i>Glossary of Odd or Foreign Terms</i> on page 313 is subtitled "(Including Several Words Your Mother Won't Approve Of)".<br />
<li>C$5.99 in Canada.<br />
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<br>3. On page [6], add interiorart title "Bones of the Past (map)" by Ellen Kostyk<br />
<br>4. On page 313, add essay title "Glossary of Odd or Foreign Terms (Bones of the Past)" by uncredited<br />
<br>5. On page [319] add interiorart title "Bones of the Past (map [2])" by uncredited<br />
<br>6. On page [321] add interiorart title "Tablet Found at Site of First-Folk Ruins" by uncredited<br />
<br>7. On page [322] add shortfiction title "There Are Elves Out There" by Mercedes Lackey and Larry Dixon. Once that title is created, I'll add a note to it explaining that it is an excerpt from <i>Born to Run</i>.<br />
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<br>Would that be OK? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:37, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I have no problem with any of this, please go ahead. Good work. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:54, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Amazon Images ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254878; I added Open Library link to this book (it's on Archive.org) and replaced your unstable Amazon cover image (it's got that "P" in it) with the OL cover, but got rejected because I was told PV cover replacements have to be asked about first, even if they weren't uploaded from PV's copy but just taken from Amazon or some other ISFDB-usable site. Leaving aside the fact that it needed to be replaced because it's unstable, is it really necessary to waste your time asking about replacing those kinds of images in the future, or should I just replace them without asking you? --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:14, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:No reason to ask, just go right ahead. Stable images have gone unstable and then have disappeared before. Correcting and updating information is all part of the fun. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:24, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Molemen Want Your Eyes ==<br />
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Hi MLB<br />
<br />
Could I get you to check the title page of your verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?538800 The Molemen Want Your Eyes]''? I'm adding some external IDs to you publication, and they all have the title as "The Mole Men Want Your Eyes". That would include Reginald3 and Worldcat as well as Clute/Nicholls and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283739 Chalker/Owings]. I also note that the story is listed in your pub as "Mole Man", which agrees with how FictionMags has the original magazine appearance and it would seem odd that the chapbook and the story have different titles. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:00, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Looks like a typo on my part. I'll correct it. For more information check out [https://www.amazon.com/Molemen-Want-Your-Eyes/dp/B000KDZ2TG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1ZTQV4N1X1E0E&keywords=The+Molemen+Want+Your+Eyes&qid=1654137698&s=books&sprefix=the+molemen+want+your+eyes%2Cstripbooks%2C137&sr=1-1#customerReviews this review] which has a copy of the title page [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:46, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Done. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:51, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::Thanks. Looking at the title page in that review, I can see how it could be read as one word. Looks good now. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:36, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Wil(l) McIntosh in Asimov's March-April 2022 ==<br />
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Hi, you have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?882784 this pub verified]; is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?340566 Wil McIntosh] a typo in the mag or a data entry error? The cover image has [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?51881 Will McIntosh], but I guess that would be over-ridden if the credit on the story itself has the mis-spelling? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 12:13, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I'll check, but as long as he's been writing he's been known as <b>Wil</b> McIntosh. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 14:51, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Is it possible you're thinking of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1637 Wil McCarthy]? This Asimov's story is the only showing in the bibliography for Wil McIntosh, whereas there are several dozen credits for Will McIntosh.<br />
:: On the plus-side, looking into this again, I notice we have an entry for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?288486 William D. McIntosh] with just a single story from 2007 in their bibliography, and given that matches the legal name for Wil McIntosh, it's something that needs author varianting for fixing the credit for that story, which I'll do once I've tried to find out which is the appropriate action. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 17:00, 6 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Well, I found that magazine, and I will change things, and yes, I conflated Will McIntosh and Wil Carthy. What a sap I was. I'll correct. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:51, 6 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Men & Women of Rivendale ==<br />
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As per the link here, I have changed the title from Revendale. http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Swfritter#The_Vampire_Archives --[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 13:25, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Thing in the Swamp ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?590620; Newly uploaded to Archive.org, has a cover so I added OL ID link and cover artist (same as interior artist, on front flap so that's why you didn't know because of missing cover); I assume besides your PV copy missing the cover it matches in other details. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:48, 24 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Mine is an ex-library edition, so thanks! [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:10, 24 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Yith Cycle ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5377987; It'll probably be a while before it's approved, so let me know if you disagree with any of my fixes/changes. EDIT: While looking over my edit I noticed you misspelled "Lovecraftian" as "Lovecratian" in the book's title, the cover art, and the Regular Titles field, so I made another edit fixing those; I assume that was just a typo and your copy doesn't have the misspelled title. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:31, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Forbidden Beast ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?608482; All other PB by the publisher cost just a few dollars; your PV of this book has the same price (and date) of the HC, which is probably not right. Do they need to be fixed? --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:01, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Yeah, says right there on the cover image $3.50. Will change it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:27, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: OK. The date, page count and ISBN are still the same as the HC, though; I suppose the page count could be correct, but Starwanderer PB had 0-694 ISBN and the PB would likely have been published some time after the HC. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:14, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== On Goodreads Id's ==<br />
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Hi, I see you consider ASINs to be Goodreads Ids. They are not however. The Goodreads Id, like the Isfdb Id, can be found in the url of the publication. Goodreads has ISBNs and ASINs as external Ids, just like us. Digital Audible Records get Audible ASINs and are other editions than the Kindles and/or ebooks, that get the regular ASINs. BTW: ASIN=Amazon Standard Identification Number.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 07:22, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?909820 Damned to Hell] as an example. The correct goodreads id that I placed connects to Goodreads. The ASIN -that I corrected from your entry- connects to Amazon.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 07:29, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::I got careless, thanks for keeping me on my toes, I'll remember to double check my data. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 17:35, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Independence ==<br />
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Please chime in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Independence here]. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:47, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible Database Typos ==<br />
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Would you please check these possible database typos?<br />
* foreward - {{T|1424383|Foreward (Mystery in Mind: A Collection of Stories of the Paranormal)}} in {{P|384240|Mystery in Mind: A Collection of Stories of the Paranormal}}<br />
* collecter - {{T|1573234|The Fear Collecter}} in {{P|412279|QPB Presents The World's Best Shortest Stories (of all time)}}<br />
* desciples - {{T|1495754|High Fantasy: Ancestors and Desciples of Robert E. Howard and J. R. R. Tolkien}} in {{P|398104|The Prentice Hall Anthology of Science Fiction and Fantasy}}<br />
* divied and imprisioned - {{T|2970212|Divied Selves, Imprisioned Souls}} in {{P|875193|The Far Cry / The Screaming Mimi}} <br />
* intruments - {{T|1840103|Cartoon: Uhh...Houston, our intruments read "All Conditions Green"...What do you mean we have a flat?!!?}} in {{P|508598|New Venture #4, Summer 1976}}<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:00, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I see that you've discovered some of my typos from when I was left unattended by my keepers. I'm on better meds now, will do my best to correct these mistakes that were done by my earlier shadow self. :) [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:24, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Exciting Stories of Fantasy and the Future ==<br />
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Hi Mark<br />
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I'm going to add the price to your verified record for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293530 Exciting Stories of Fantasy and the Future]'' which is listed in BLIC. I'll add the appropriate external IDs as well. Please let me know if you have any concerns about this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:48, 10 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: No, no problem. I had forgotten that I even had this book. I can't even remember where I got it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:44, 10 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Of course, I still don't know who these people really are. Pseudonyms, maybe? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:04, 10 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?897466 Asimov's Science Fiction, May-June 2022] ==<br />
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Hi Mark I've identified the actual artist 'algolonline' at 123rf.com [https://www.123rf.com/photo_28463624_illustration-of-a-science-fiction-spaceship-leaving-dock-watched-by-a-space-marine-guard-3d-digitall.html?vti=n72ne1io6fnw2nnvo8-1-2 here] and will be making the corresponding change. Please let me know if you have any concerns about it. Thanks, John. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 03:50, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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And to add, Jurik Peter's [https://www.shutterstock.com/de/image-illustration/surface-venus-hot-lava-flows-on-1276761910 artwork] has been used for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?882784 Asimov's Science Fiction, March-April 2022]. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 04:02, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Cool. Go right ahead. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:23, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== "Operation Time Search" ACE 63412 ==<br />
Hi Mark. You verified http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?276536.<br />
The book entry in the database reads "Date: 1977-03-00"<br />
I own the publication (baught it from a collector, who marked all books with the date he baught them. This one: 23.06.1977/2.2.1977)<br />
On the spine, there is the numer "441 63412 150" which can be interpreted as ISBN 9780441634125. The ACE number is "ACE /63412|$1.50".<br />
If I search the book in another DB, the printing date seem 1975, which seems more reasonable for the third printing, than 1977 in the DB. [[User:Elsbernd|elsbernd]] 12:56, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: If you feel like changing some of the information, please feel free. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:51, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The New Frontier ==<br />
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I'm holding an edit that would change your verified {{P|324243|The New Frontier}} to be non-genre. Based on the Amazon description, that would seem correct, but wanted to let you weigh in since you verified. Also, if it is non-genre, then it would seem like the contents would need a trim as there are a number that are not above the threshold. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:19, 21 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: In a related topic, I recently added Gerald Kersh collection Terribly Wild Flowers, in which only the title story, from F&SF, is on ISFDB, so I marked it non-genre, but it's the only collection of his so marked here. Most of the early ones contain only a few genre stories and so should probably be non-genre, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:27, 21 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: **Sigh** One of my early edited. Ten years ago. I don't know where this anthology is right now. It is probably in storage where I can't readily get at it. Please allow all edits to go through. I'll change my status to that of transient. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:58, 21 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Shadow Omnibus ==<br />
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Hi Mark<br />
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While adding the Reginald number to your verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?580004 The Shadow: The Mask of Mephisto & Murder by Magic]'', I noticed that we are including the series name in the title. Our policy is to omit the series name when entering publications. Do you have any objection if I change the title to simply "The Mask of Mephisto & Murder by Magic". Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:29, 21 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Nope. Feel free. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:42, 21 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Baumgart ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search.php?query=%22m.%20louis%20baumgart%22&sin=TXT; The 1983 Amazing letter is in your ISFDB record but the other 2 aren't, in case you want to flesh out your CV. Also, https://archive.org/search.php?query=%22mark%20louis%20baumgart%22&sin=TXT, which are all here except Psychotronic, which isn't ISFDB material, is it? --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:52, 21 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: <i>Psychotronic</i> is actually <i>Psychotronic Video</i>, and no, it isn't ISFDB material, it was a magazine dedicated to low-budget, exploitation movies. (Don't judge me). You have sharp eyes, congrats. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:59, 21 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's Oct 2022 title update ==<br />
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Hi, could you check title of one of the stories in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?912506 Asimov's], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3074221 Island Theory], and comment over at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Lasm#Island_History Lasm's talk page] whether the update to ''Island History'' should be approved? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:52, 31 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Jaime Castle / Steve Beaulieu ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Is there a reason why you did not pseudonym these two records ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?253838 Steve Beaulieu] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?274977 Jaime Castle]) and instead wrote a note that they are the same person? If there is a reason not to follow the practices of the site, that reason needs to be documented in the Notes of the records (and there should be a really good reason for it). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:30, 21 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:(Ꙩ.Ꙩ)! Nothing escapes you does it? <b>**Sigh**</b> There are several reasons, none of them good, I guess. How did you know I was the lazy one? I guess now I got to go back and fix this. **Grump-Grump-Grump**! [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:59, 21 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: As with most things, it was by chance: I just added a book where one of the two versions was a co-author and while doing my regular sweep for anything else that needs fixing on the author page, it did look weird and there was only one person who had edited the Author notes (moderators have the same "Edit History" on authors as on pubs/titles - so not even magic I am afraid). So I came knocking. Thanks for taking care of it in the next days :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 21:06, 21 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe B. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?343368; Should be Bonadonna, like all his other works. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Bone Music (Longmeadow) ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5196; You PV in 2013, Archive.org copy uploaded in 2018 which I added a link to today, I adjusted pages from 303 to 302 and noted there's no copyright page. Do those 2 things agree with your copy? Also, I added the month to Canty's cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:51, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:It's all cool. But if this info is from your personal, or borrowed copy, you should add your own verification to mine. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:49, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Misspelled -- number line ==<br />
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My copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?222901 Misspelled] has number line 1—9, not 9—1. Yours? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:09, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Your guess is as good as mine, as I don't remember this book at all, but I must have done it. If you wish to change it, please do. I'll look for that book though. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]])`<br />
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== Clan of the Claw ==<br />
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My copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?385712 Clan of the Claw] printing statement indicates July, not June. Yours? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:00, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Must have been a typo. Ah, one of my earliest listing. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 04:03, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine, September/October 2022 ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
<br />
Reviews of genre works are non-fiction titles about speculative fiction so they are eligible for the DB. So I added the review [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?916467 here] and cleaned up the note in the title itself (plus added another note after I read the book - the thing is really left ambiguous which makes it ours IMO). Thanks for adding the magazine! <br />
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PS: Technically the stock cover won't be eligible (as coverart or as URL) as EQMM is non-genre magazine but let's leave it there for a bit - that may be changing (see [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#The_non-genre_covers_.28Again.29 the discussion] and feel free to chime in. If it does not end up with changing the rules, I will be back to clear that cover though. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:27, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:I tried to add reviews some years ago, but I was slapped down, and told this was a no-no, so I never have. I didn't know things have changed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 22:08, 20 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: I am not sure who said no but reviews of genre works had always been eligible under the ROA (or at least for as long as I had been here). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 22:30, 20 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Magic Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255994; Copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/details/magictime00reed, says cover artist is Wilenski, not Wilensky, and I think the month in the book supersedes what Locus says, unless a photo of a publisher's slip could be found. Artist name change is more important, though; there are tons of dates here that are off by a month. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:48, 20 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Hmmmm. I'm willin' to bet that Wilensky was a typo that I didn't catch. On the other hand, the numbers in the corner of the hardcover (8002) are most likely the printing date (1980-02-00), but don't quote me on that. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 22:02, 20 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::Alexander Wilenski only shows up in a search of Archive.org for this book, but Alexander Wilensky gets 4 hits, including the jacket photo for a D. G. Compton book, Ascendancies, so I added his name to that (month in that book was also off by a month re: what's on the flap vs. what was entered here). I suspect the Y name is real and the I is a misprint, so when Ascendancies edit is approved and 2 PV of Magic Time verify it's spelled with an I then that name should be made a variant of Wilensky; https://www.lensculture.com/alexander-wilensky (he's also on Instagram). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:45, 21 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Unit Omega ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52831; Archive.org copy uploaded recently so I added a link in an edit, but you forgot to add the month (December) to title under both names (Grand, Rovin) and cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:50, 28 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== McKenzie/Mekenzie ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=duval+st&type=All+Titles; I changed McKenzie to Mekenzie based on a copy on readfrom.net; it's Mekenzie in your PV of Shock Totem #3 too, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:45, 10 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Terrors 4 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?211153; I've been doing edits for the Dark Terrors series and this one has Canadian price in pounds, not dollars, on back cover of copy on Archive.org. Is it the same on your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:09, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:That's a book that's been packed away into storage where I can't get at it. If you have a copy at hand, then I'll take your word for it, and go ahead and change it. Typos happen. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:07, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Silent Warrior ==<br />
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Cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47237 this] is not Chris Achilleos. It's Alan M. Clarke. See [https://ifdpublishing.com/product/trilobite-returns-to-helvoran-large-print/ here] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:19, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:● I have added the correct credit to the artist, the web page that the artwork can be found on, and on the artworks’ page, the title of the work. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 15:23, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== S.S. Drate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?63901; Your 1990 PV has the Drate cover credit that is really from the 1983 book. If your copy doesn't mention Drate I think the cover credit should be removed; Paperbacks From Hell mentions Drate did the 1983 book cover, and it's totally different art than the 1990 book, so it's not like they reused the cover or anything. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:35, 30 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Short Circuits ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?975845; There's a Delacorte edition on Archive.org which says "You", not "Yor", which makes sense, so if your PV PB does, too, then you can fix the title of this story. All other titles seem OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:12, 31 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mystery in Mind ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5526523; I added a link to this weird book and fixed a story title; I assume your copy has the comma in the title, too, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:07, 31 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shock Totem, Vol. 3 ==<br />
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Can you have a look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5507832 this edit] and check your copy on how the author's name is written; Mekenzie? McKenzie? When it is as it appears in the publication, we'll need to add alternate author... Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 09:53, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: TYPO!!! Yeah, I blame it on the youthful exuberance of being a fresh-faced lad of fifty-four whose excitement at being an editor at ISFDB to cause me to make too many typos. I'll correct. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:57, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:03, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?902389 Journey's End] / [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60783 Super Science Stories, August 1951] ==<br />
I have just checked this artwork and it actually does show the artist's signature 'Callé' in the lower right corner - and I am planning to make the corresponding change. Please let me know if you disagree. Best, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 02:15, 16 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Gosh, it's been a long time since I read that issue. I remember liking most of the stories in it, so yeah, if you saw what nobody else did, go right ahead. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 04:17, 16 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== UK price for Catacomb ==<br />
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Hi Mark -<br />
<br />
I was adding some external IDs to your verified publication ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6375 Catacomb]''. I noticed the price in England which seems wrong to me. Perhaps it's meant to read "£4.95". Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:23, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, thanks. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:13, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pandora's Closet -- number line ==<br />
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My copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?182293 Pandora's Closet] has a number line that runs 1—9, not 9—1. Yours? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:40, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Ping (in case you missed this). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 22:29, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Actually, I'm looking for it, but I suspect that it is in storage where I can't get right at it. As the second verifier, I spot checked the facts listed, and okayed them. If I was wrong, please feel free to change anything. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 22:40, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Author's Notes ==<br />
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Hi, Mark! Usually these types of titles deal with the circumstances of how a text came to life, and are not part of any universe. Is this any way differnet with Zoe Cannon? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:23, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Dunno. Every book in this series has one. Been adding them into various series's for years, and nobody has ever said no. If you say no, then it's no, and I can remove them. I just thought series non-fiction should go with the series. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 04:32, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Typically they refer to the real world, for example how the idea came about, who helped in getting it into shape and into print, so they are not part of a universe, just like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?153294 this book] on Middle-Eart has no part in the universe it is about. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:44, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Removed them from being in a series, and put them in the non-fiction. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:41, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Created By Matheson PB ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8189; I made an edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5587719, which is a stable Amazon image, shows the artwork more clearly, and shows the spine with its own artwork. However, the LCCN is really for the Bantam HC and should probably be moved to that record; also, there's an ARC of the HC on Archive.org and the page count is much higher than what's on ISFDB and there are Roman numerals. I assume your PV PB copy's page count is correct but are there any Roman numerals that need adding? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:41, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Never a fan of those type of images, can't see where it's better, but if you must. . . As far as the Roman numerals go, I don't know. After multiple hospitalizations and a death, much of what I had went into storage. I'll look around, but if I can't find it, there it is. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 10:36, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::OK, I'll just cancel it, then, since you don't like it. Unstable image still should be replaced, though, perhaps by an uploaded scan of your cover if you ever find it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:55, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Zombies: Shambling Through the Ages ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420726; Archive.org copy uploaded recently so I added a link in a (pending) edit; also made 4 fixes: Nathan Southard to Nate, Paul Berger to Paul M. (false variant was created there), "Theater is Dead" to "Theatre", and "The End of the Caroll A. Deering" to "Carroll". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:21, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for the corrections. I hate my typos. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 03:44, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Author of The Prodigy ==<br />
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Hi Mark<br />
<br />
I see you have a transient verification for ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?580467 The Prodigy]''. We have the author's name as "M. Jay Livingstone". All of the Library of Congress, Worldcat and the cover have the author as "M. Jay Livingston". It appears that the UK edition has Livingstone. Do you have any objections if I change the author of your verified edition? Of course, I'll also make the appropriate variant for the alternate name. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:39, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No, no objections, go right ahead. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:56, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Image License Tags ==<br />
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Just a reminder, [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:Rick_Rubin.jpg this image] needs a [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Image_License_Tags license tag]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:54, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: This is what I tried, and it wasn't accepted. What was I doing wrong? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:25, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Author Image Data<br />
::|Name=<Rick Rubin><br />
::|Photographer=<unknown><br />
::|Source=<MLB><br />
::|Publication=<Goodreads (2023)><br />
::|Portion=<Cropped to remove unneeded background><br />
::|Replaceable=<Yes, by a better image><br />
::|LowRes=<Yes><br />
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: The angle brackets are the main problem, simply remove them. <br />
:* Since there is a default value for most fields, you may omit them if unknown or unneeded. Notice how I don't have a photographer or publication field.<br />
:* Source - You would be the source if you scanned the image. When you refer to yourself use [[User:MLB]]. The file history section shows that you uploaded the image.<br />
:Try adding the tag using my suggestions. <br />
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:* |Name=Rick Rubin<br />
:* |Source=Goodreads (2023)<br />
:* |Portion=Cropped to remove unneeded background<br />
:* |Replaceable=Yes<br />
:* |LowRes=Yes </ul><br />
: Fine tune as you see fit. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:56, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Think I got it right this time. How does it look? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:40, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: There was no need to upload the image again and create a duplicate file. Simply edit the original page and add the tag. I moved your tag data to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:Rick_Rubin.jpg the original page] and deleted the duplicate. When you refer to yourself, it's <nowiki>[[User:MLB]]</nowiki> not User:MLB, sory I wasn't clear before (I fixed it in your tag). Link the image to the author page and you're good. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:10, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::: P.S. I removed the braces from the tag above so it will no longer function as a template. It was causing your talk page to link to a couple pages; for example [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Author_images Category:Author images]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:18, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::Let's hope things go smoother next time. Still so much to learn. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:37, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Serials ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5591910 this submission]. 'Report on Probability A (Complete Novel)' is the correct title. From the help for serials - "For novel length works (40,000+ words) printed as a single installment in a magazine or fanzine, append a space and "(Complete Novel)" to the title." [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:28, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Chariot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88806; LCCN is for the HC, not the PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:25, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Changed it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 22:51, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Symphony ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2068352; I just added an Archive.org link to the HC and there's no excerpt; I think excerpt should be the same date as the PB. PB usually have excerpts of upcoming PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:46, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== In the Mood ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18091; LCCN is HC, not PB. EDIT: Same for PB's of Symphony and Riders in the Sky by the same author. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:53, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Series names and capitalization ==<br />
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Hello MLB, <br />
<br />
I had to rename all parts of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3065885 Price Manor: The House that Burns] to "The House That Burns" and then had to do the same to all the other books in the series . So just a gentle reminder:<br />
* We don't include the series names in the titles of books and cover titles, story titles and so on. <br />
* We standardize capitalization -- this "that" should have been "That" (you got that correctly in 2 of the 3 books in the series)<br />
Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:44, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: And yet, when I started, if the series name was part of the title, then you used it. Now I know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:15, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: There was also a time when the DB's languages not using the Latin alphabet were written using it anyway ;) The risk in sticking around for a long time - things change ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:46, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bull's-Eye Detective, Fall 1938 cover artist ==<br />
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Mark, I found the cover art of Bull's-Eye Detective, Fall 1938 credited to Arnold Drake, the writer, and corrected it to A. Drake, the canonical name of artist Albert Drake, on the cover art's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1571346 title page]. But--is it the Adventure House reprint that credits it to Arnold or is it you? I see you citing the name Arnold on your Amazon review. Does Adventure House in fact credit him as Albert Drake, as you have it on their Planet Stories reprints? I'll correct the title page if so. Martin--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 09:18, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Well, I'll take your word for it, as my pulp reprints had to go into storage some years ago. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 14:05, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I'll edit it into Albert Drake on the Adventure House edition and make it a variant of A. Drake, then. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 15:41, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Prentice Hall Anthology of Science Fiction and Fantasy ==<br />
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Hi. You verified our record of this anthology in its 2003 fourth printing P{{p|398104}}. User:Dave888 is a verifier of both the 2000 first and 2003 fourth, and has reported at [[User talk:Dave888#The Clock That Went Backward]] that its Edgar Page Mitchell story title is the 1881 original, "The Clock That Went Backward" (no 's'). Also, the front cover image that Amazon now provides matches the cover of the book. We now link a visually identical image that Amazon provides based on ISBN (ie, at "amazon.com/images/P/"), which should be replaced. <br />
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If you concur with Dave888, I'll fix the story title as "Backwards" and also update the image URL (to "/images/I/51MMCZMT30L.jpg"). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:04, 12 March 2023 (EDT)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Willem_H.&diff=657628
User talk:Willem H.
2023-03-12T20:46:39Z
<p>Pwendt: /* The Clock That Went Backward */ new section</p>
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If you're adding a cover image, notes or external id's to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, there's no need to inform me. I will see the change on my recently changed primary verifications.<br />
If you're adding other data and explain the source in the notefield, or if you're correcting obvious mistakes and explain in the note to moderator, there's also no need to inform me.<br />
This is ONLY for cover images, notes, external id's, additional data and corrections. If you want to change any other field, or ask me something, add a new section to my [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Willem_H.&action=edit&section=new regular talkpage]! Thanks, Willem<br />
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== The Quest for Saint Camber ==<br />
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There are three missing appendix titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45793 The Quest for Saint Camber]. Would you mind if I add them? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:09, 1 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:For me they are part of the novel, but I have no problem with adding them as separate titles. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:15, 1 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. Would you rather I not bother you about these in the future? I'm sure there will be more. :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:10, 1 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::You're not bothering me with this. I do want to know about major changes to my verified pubs, but it's not necessary to ask for my permission to add data, when I can see it on my changed primary verifications anyway. Thanks :) --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 06:01, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Quark/2 ==<br />
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Hello. Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27080 this]. A thrird party has notified me that the cover artist (photographer) is Ira Cohen. See [https://www.blackgate.com/2021/02/09/a-wonderful-picture-of-a-far-flung-community-of-writers-quark-edited-by-samuel-r-delany-and-marilyn-hacker/ this website]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:24, 7 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:And another one bites the dust. Thanks! I added the credit, note and link to blackgate.com. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:34, 7 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Belladonna Nights ==<br />
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Some minor note additions - details documented in Note to Moderators. Let me know if you would disagree. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:52, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:No problem. I ordered my copy on October 27, 2021 and received it today. Had nearly given up hope... --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:41, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Out from Ganymede - a content question ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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I am working to update/correct several entries for "The Very Best of Barry N. Malzberg" http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?398728. One of the stories is "The Wooden Grenade", which has no previous publication history listed in the ISFDB entry. <br />
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I looked at the Acknowledgements (copyright info) in the book, and it states '"The Wooden Grenade" as "The Sense of the Fire" in Escapade; July 1967'.<br />
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I would like to update ISFDB to acknowledge that these are the same stories, which actually makes more sense, as I don't see anywhere about a previously unpublished story showing up in "The Very Best of Barry N. Malzberg". <br />
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"The Sense of the Fire" was reprinted in Malzberg's "Out from Ganymede". I've looked around, but have been unable to find a scanned copy.<br />
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While I tend to believe that the Acknowledgements (copyright) info from "The Very Best of Barry N. Malzberg" is correct and that these are the same story, I would be more comfortable if I could confirm that these are actually the same story.<br />
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ISFDB lists you as a primary verifier for "Out from Ganymede". Do you have a copy and can you check and let me know what the first sentence is in "The Sense of the Fire" in "Out from Ganymede?" In my library copy of "The Very Best of Barry N. Malzberg", the first sentence is "Stein, and obsessive, carried a large dummy hand grenade in: the right pocket of his converted Army fatigue jacket". (I do suspect that the copy editing of this "The Very Best of..." is off, as there is punctuation throughout that I find rather incorrect".<br />
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If you don't have this, I'll try Don Erikson, who is also a primary verifier.<br />
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Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 00:08, 13 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Nice find. Yes, I still have my copy, and yes, the first line of "The Sense of the Fire" is the same, so "The Wooden Grenade" can be varianted to it. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:33, 13 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Willem, thanks for your help. I'll take care of this and another "Very Best of" variant issue after I get guidance on which version should be canonical (I have submitted a query to AnnieMod).[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:50, 13 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Electric Mind ==<br />
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Sorry, I hit approve instead of hold on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5196801 this submission] by mistake. It should have been held to check with you on the change in page number. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 15 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I agree, it should have been held, especially because the source for the change is the contents page. I checked the pub, and this time the edit is ok. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:27, 15 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== French Perry Rhodan ==<br />
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Hi, Willem! I don't have researched if you verified some volumes in the series, but you may be interested and want to take part [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Perry_Rhodan_in_French here]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:49, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:I don't have any French Perry Rhodans in my collection. I do think toy're right about the phase 2 translations. These should be varianted to the German originals. Sorry I can't help. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 13:05, 17 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks anyway, Willem! Perrypedia and the few volumes I do own are also quite clear. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:17, 17 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Unverifying_publications this discussion on the Moderator Noticeboard], which is related to these Perry Rhodan changes? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:10, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Prologue (Foundation's Edge) ==<br />
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I am creating and PVing a later printing of {{P|224593|Foundation's Edge}}. Whilst adding the Prologue, I noticed that a Title record for it already appears to exist: {{T|925884|Prologue (Foundation's Edge)}} and the only pub record it relates to is the first printing, which you have PVd. The Prologue is recorded as SHORTFICTION but I think it should be ESSAY. The giveaway is this first sentence of a paragraph toward the bottom the first page: "In the Foundation Trilogy, the story of the first four centuries of the Interregnum is told". Can you please check the Prologue in your copy to see if it is the same and let me have your thoughts on changing the Type.<br>Based on the Last User Activity Date, there are 3 PVs who are still active: Willem H, Taweiss and Nihonjoe, so I have posted this note to all your Talk pages. I am a new editor, so am not sure of the correct etiquette for handling this situation, but it seems desirable to have the whole conversation in one place. So may I suggest you reply on my Talk page. Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 17:43, 21 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Replied [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Teallach#Prologue_.28Foundation.27s_Edge.29 here]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:31, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Original publication for two Pat McIntosh "Thula" stories ==<br />
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Hi Willem. <br />
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I saw that two Pat McIntosh "Thula" stories that appear in Lin Carter's "The Year's Best Fantasy Stories", Vol 4 and 5, are without any prior publication listed in ISFDB. <br />
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I have "Flashing Swords #1", but I don't have those "Year's Best" volumes. I was unable to find scanned copies of those volumes online, but I see that you are a Primary Verifier for both and I hope that means you still have copies.<br />
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I have been told that sometimes Lin Carter's "Year's Best" volumes had original stories first published in them.<br />
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I would love to be able to update "The Cloak of Dreams" (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?94079) and "Child of Air" (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?94075), either with a first publication ISFDB title entry or at least a mention in the Notes that they were original to the two "Year's Best" volumes.<br />
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I would really appreciate it if you could check the copyright/acknowledgements/whatever info in those two volumes and advise me.<br />
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Thanks and best wishes.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 13:29, 24 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Hi Willem. Right after I posted this, a friend sent me a scan of the copyright pages for those two volumes. Yes, those were original publications in the "Year's Best" for those two stories. I will update the Notes for the story.<br />
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::Already solved I see. Which is good. These books are still stored in a garage box and hard to access. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 13:44, 24 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Preface; The Beat Goes On ==<br />
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In {{P|291430|Meditations on Middle-Earth}}, can you double check the title of the preface? The tp uses a colon and not a semicolon as currently entered. I'm assuming someone missed hitting the shift key, but can you double check your hc? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:12, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:I guess all verifiers missed that one. Corrected now. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:59, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== De Hobbit question ==<br />
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Hello Willem,<br />
<br />
I have a question regarding entry for 'De Hobbit' published by Prisma Boeken 1960. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375482 Record #375482].<br />
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On this entry under 'Notes' it claims that the first printing of the book has 529.1 in the gutter code. I haven't seen this written anywhere else, even Tolkien Library doesn't note it and I am wondering now if there were other printings i.e 529.2 etc in 1960 or if they all had 529.1 until it was reprinted again in 1967. It's not really common to list printing history this way in mass markets but I am intrigued to know if it was indeed done for this title!<br />
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I know that this book was reprinted many times between 1960-1975, '67 is officially supposed to be the 2nd & 3rd printing of the book, although in these later printings the cover is slightly different etc. Still I am intrigued to know!<br />
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Please let me know if you have any further info :-)<br />
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Thanks {{unsigned|Bombadil}}<br />
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:I don't know why the gutter codes are not noted anywhere else. They are there though, and they are a good source for the printing number. As far as I know there were no other printings of "De Hobbit" between 1960 and the second printing in 1967, which should have 529.2 (if it has one at all, the Prisma series was not very consistent in the use of guttercodes, my 1973 tenth printing has no gutter code at all). I have always assumed Tolkien was not very popular in the Netherlands until after the Prisma editions of "In de ban van de ring" appeared in 1965. Hope this helps a little. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:48, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Glory Season==<br />
<br />
Added map to Contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15555 Glory Season] . [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 13:23, 6 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Submission approved. You can proceed with the merge. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:58, 6 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Beyond Eden ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4309<br />
<br />
Would this be enough to edit the publication date to the more precise: 1955-04-21?<br><br />
Review copy note found inside pb edition: [https://upload.vaa.red/23krPp#5491ba8dce3f0645cd8b91913d61495e]<br><br />
It mentions both the pb and the hc edition. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 07:19, 12 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, that's certainly enough (for both editions). Be sure to add pub notes referring to this note. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:10, 12 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Radix ==<br />
<br />
As there are no notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27260 Radix], I would like to add the following ones before I PV:<br />
<br>"Bantam Spectra edition / October 1985"<br />
<br>First printing per printer's key: O 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1<br />
<br>Cover artist credited in the "Acknowlegements" and per "Cover copyright © 1985 by Fred Marcellino" on the copyright page.<br />
<br>Map artist credited in the "Acknowlegements".<br />
<br>C$4.50 in Canada.<br />
<br><br />
<br>In addition:<br />
<br>Change page count to [12]+466<br />
<br>Add map title on page [12]<br />
<br>Add title "Appendix (Radix)" on page 449<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:23, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:I have no problem with these changes. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:06, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Girl from the Emeraline Island ==<br />
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Does your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40611 The Girl from the Emeraline Island] show "First Edition: May 1984" and no number line on the copyright page? I want to replace the "1st printing" note with those notes, plus add the map title on page [9] and change the page count to [10]+274 before I PV. Would that be OK? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:49, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes and yes and yes! Please do. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 09:21, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Millennium by Bova ==<br />
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Would you please check the title page of your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216445 Millennium] and see if it actually reads "Millennium" over "A Novel About People and Politics in the Year 1999"? My first printing copy shows that so I would like to correct the title to be "Millennium: A Novel About People and Politics in the Year 1999", plus replace the note with "First Ballantine Book Edition: April 1997" and "No printer's key.", and add the note "Cover art by Joseph Csatari on the copyright page".<br />
<br><br />
<br>If that is OK, I propose to then:<br />
<br>1. Unmerge [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216445 this pub], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?243185 this pub], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?419328 this pub] from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1527 existing title].<br />
<br>2. Make the resulting new title the cannonical title by making the existing title a variant of the new title since the new one is the oldest title.<br />
<br>3. Merge the three pubs named "Millennium: A Novel About People and Politics in the Year 1999" together.<br />
<br><br />
<br>Would all of this be OK with you? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:19, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:The phrase "A Novel About People and Politics in the Year 1999" is indeed on the titlepage, but I don't think it's meant to be a subtitle, more an explanation of what the novel is about. The phrase is also separated from the title by a horizontal line. I would like to keep it the way it is, but will not protest if a majority wants it the other way. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:46, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::That's a great point I hadn't considered. Let's see how Dirk and Dsorgen reply. I'm not that committed to doing the work to implement my suggested change. Even if we leave it as simply "Millenium", there are still two verified pubs that have the longer name. At some point, someone will want to resolve that issue. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:58, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Space Relations full title ==<br />
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Would you please look at the title page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297675 this] and see if it actually reads "Space Relations: A Slightly Gothic Interplanetary Tale" instead of just "Space Relations"? All of the external ID records for this pub show the long form. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:28, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, my copy has the full title on the title page. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:40, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Michaël Winkel ==<br />
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Hi Willem, I've updated the author record from Michael Winkel to {{a|Michaël Winkel|220945}} (as written on the copyright page of {{p|506492|De glazen boom}}). The consequence is is that the artist's name is also updated in all other title records (as listed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?220945 here]). Could you check the spelling of the author's name in the books you have? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 04:54, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, can't do that anymore. I had to sell 1000 Dutch paperbacks and hardcovers (the house was full). This included the complete Gradivus series. I'm now moving my verifications to transient. I think it's safe to assume that the " is present in all these books (only Gradivus has him). Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks Willem. That would be my thought as well. (and I was wondering why you had these transiently verified - now I know :)) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:49, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Masterpieces of Fantasy Art ==<br />
<br />
Hi Willem<br />
<br />
If you've no objections, I'd like to add the content to Dian Hanson's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?836049 Masterpieces of Fantasy Art]''. Additionally, I'll get a better scan of the cover than the Amazon image. I'm coming to a good point to pause one of my other projects and thought I'd tackle this. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:46, 15 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:If you want to do this, please do! Content for any of my artbook pv's is always welcome. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:36, 16 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I've finished with the Hanson book. In the course of working on it, I found the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257217 The Art of the Brothers Hildebrandt]'' is also lacking content. I was also surprised that I hadn't verified this book, as I've had a copy since I was a teenager. In any case, I'm going to go ahead and work on this one next, especially so that I can link the shared pieces with the Hanson book. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:59, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Pyramid Giant ==<br />
<br />
As a verifier of a Pyramid Giant {{P|1381|publication}}. Would you please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rudam#Men_Against_the_Stars this conversation]. The question is whether Pyramid Giant is a publisher or a pub series or both. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:14, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Added my 2c there. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:30, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Red Moon and Black Mountain SFBC edition ==<br />
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Would you please look at the title page of your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?108381 Red Moon and Black Mountain] and see if it shows "Red Moon" over "and" over "Black Mountain" in large lettering over "The End of the House of Kendreth" in smaller lettering? If it does, it matches my copy so I think the title should be changed to "Red Moon and Black Mountain: The End of the House of Kendreth". I'm willing to make the change since I need to make the same title change to the Ballantine pb first printing. (Ref: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Red_Moon_and_Black_Mountain]). Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:40, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, the subtitle is on the titlepage of my copy, so go ahead. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:12, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Blue Hawk ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?231189 The Blue Hawk], would you mind if I replace the inaccurate note "Stated 1st printing" with notes "First Ballantine Books Edition: August 1977" and "No printer's key or printing statement."? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:18, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Good find! The change is correct. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:25, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The High Couch of Silistra ==<br />
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Hi, Willem. Could you check your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267091 The Fantastic Art of Boris Vallejo] and verify that "Silistra" is spelled like that, not "Silestra"?--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 19:48, 25 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
:It's Silistra. Added my 2c on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rosab618#The_High_Couch_of_Silestra your talkpage]. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:40, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Cover Art for Ruimtesprong naar Moran ==<br />
<br />
Hi Willem, the pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?888578 Ruimtesprong naar Moran] actually displays Manfred Schneider's signature in the cover's lower right. It's only the remaining covers that look like Schneider's but show now other evidence. Cheers, John - [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 01:16, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I plead temporary blindness. Corrected now. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:53, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Tsaddik of the Seven Wonders ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100281 The Tsaddik of the Seven Wonders], would you mind if I replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Printing: December, 1971" and "No printer's key" before I PV? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:59, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I have no problem with changes like that. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:54, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== House of the Hatchet ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287539; I changed cover artist to C. Achilleos per back cover on FantLab. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:01, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Approved and varianted. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:14, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Strange Things in Close-Up ==<br />
<br />
Would you mind double checking the story on page 80 of {{P|33549|Strange Things in Close-Up}}? Per the Internet Archive scan, the version in this pub should have a comma after World and no period at the end. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:42, 25 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
: You're absolutely right. Corrected now. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:45, 26 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Revisionists ==<br />
<br />
Hi. You verified the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357780 2011 first edition] from '''Mulholland Books / Little, Brown and Company''', a record verified by inactive editor Teddybear long ago. We use "Little, Brown" rather than its fullname for the US company and its descendant division or imprint, including as '''Mulholland Books / Little, Brown'''. I would truncate the publisher name myself, and thus eliminate the fullname from the database (one update of unverified publication is in the queue), with report at Moderator noticeboard because two earlier PVerifiers are inactive. But:<br />
<br />
You should revisit that record yourself because there is an obvious error in the Note, first item.<br />
: "First Edition: September 2017"<br />
Presumably that is a quotation from the book and should be 2011. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:35, 26 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for this. I merged the two publishers, so '''Mulholland Books / Little, Brown and Company''' is gone now. Also corrected the note, I probably didn't notice this when verifying. :) --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:52, 26 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Myth & Magic: The Art of John Howe ==<br />
<br />
Willem, Hello again from Boston, now May Day 2022. You verified one undated printing of ''Myth & Magic: The Art of John Howe'' T{{t|2163025}}. Working this hour from our record of 2001 first ed./printing, I submitted 15 Title Update, namely:<br />
;Spelling (3) <br />
• Sir Gawain & the Green Knight, Pearl and Sir Ofreo <br />
• The Wtcher in the Water <br />
• Shalob's Lair<br />
;Capitals (12) <br />
• After a hot afternoon of photos<br />
• Fourteenth-century archer [2]<br />
• Fourteenth-century archer<br />
• Boar hunting<br />
• Shelob about to leap on Frodo<br />
• road to Caradhras<br />
• Gollum Vignette<br />
• Shire Vignette<br />
• Earthdawn: Throal, The Dwarf Kingdom<br />
• The Knight battles two Giants<br />
• Melkor Calls forth Ungoliante <br />
• Knight on airplane wing <br />
<br>I did not change "-century" (a rule I would need to look up), only "archer". The submissions queue is quite long --my own date from -04-26 but someday soon you might revisit the publication record and scan its Contents.<br />
<br />
By the way, do you know whether all of the INTERIORART in this John Howe collection are previously published? I submitted a Title Note for only one of the 15, if i recall correctly, namely "The Knight Battles Two Giants" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5307436 submission]. One or both picture books may be in the submission queue if not the database before you read this. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:51, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Thanks for all this work. I only imported the contents from Bob's edition, and simply didn't (don't) have the time to check every title. Approved your submissions, and placed "vignette" in brackets for Gollum and Shire. The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub#Title help text] under "case" is clear about hyphenated words. They have the first letter after the hyphen capitalized (I corrected the two Fourteenth-Century Archers).<br />
: For a number of illustrations the original publication is cited, I think Bob did a great job in varianting so many and I have no idea about previous publications of Howe's work. Bob might know more. Thanks again, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:56, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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==Aldiss / Helliconia Summer==<br />
<br />
I am editing / PVing Aldiss's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101591 Helliconia Summer]. I will add sourced, additional information but want to advise you of two changes I am proposing: 1) change author's name from "Brian W. Aldiss" to "Brian Aldiss" as per title page 2) delete the Coverart content reference because Mon Mohan is only the designer. I will add a pub note: "Jacket design by Mon Mohan, reproducing a Saftleven landscape" on rear dust jacket flap. Are you ok with these changes? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 18:08, 3 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I should have seen that when verifying. Please do. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:14, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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==Aldiss / Helliconia Winter==<br />
<br />
I am editing / PVing Aldiss's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16825 Helliconia Winter]. I will add sourced, additional information but am also proposing to remove the "Helliconia (map)" content record and import the existing "Helliconia Winter (map)" because there are slight differences between the maps in the Cape editions of Summer and Winter. I will add a note about this. As I have verified the price from my copy, would you like me to delete your note: "P2 ver. copy has the price clipped off." or would you prefer to leave it in? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 17:40, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Sounds good to me, so go ahead. I would like to keep my note about the price though. It can't be verified from my copy. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:09, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
::No problem. I'll leave your price clip note as it is. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 14:02, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== New Writings in SF 28 ==<br />
<br />
Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251640 this] is almost certanly Joe Petagno comparing it to other covers featuring his work. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:55, 12 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Agreed. You already added the note about Petagno in 2015, and I still can't find any proof. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:04, 12 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: So I did. I'd totally forgotten I'd done that. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:15, 13 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Myth & Magic ==<br />
<br />
You're listed as a PV for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?470960 this 4th edition] of ''Myth & Magic''. The pub notes say "C$29.99 in Canada". I also have a 4th printing, but my copy shows "CAN $43.95" on the front dust jacket flap. Will you check your copy to verify what price is listed there for Canada in your copy? Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:05, 12 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Are you sure you have a UK edition of the book? I did a temporary upload of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/0/0e/MythMagicCP.jpg copyright page] and the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/a/ab/MythMagicPrice.jpeg price] from my copy (backcover of dustjacket) so you can compare them (I'll delete them after your response here). The price is also printed on the front flap of the dustjacket and the backcover of the book itself. Hope that helps. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:04, 13 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
::I'm pretty sure it had the price in pounds first. I'll check when I get home. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:56, 23 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Here are pics of the one I have. As far as I can tell, it's one from the UK, but the copyright page is different than yours. <br />
:::*[https://pasteboard.co/6OREyb7s4A9c.jpg Copyright page]<br />
:::*[https://pasteboard.co/0czuHyx2Lpw7.jpg Back cover]<br />
:::*[https://pasteboard.co/FWIH2LxGRl7Z.jpg Back dust jacket flap]<br />
:::*[https://pasteboard.co/RJ7q2b3n1Lsd.jpg Front dust jacket flap]<br />
:::*[https://pasteboard.co/3c4UFQb8ke1W.jpg Front cover]<br />
:::Maybe there are two different versions of the fourth printing somehow? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:43, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::::Amazing. A lot of differences, website, printer, notation of the numberline and more, I only now noticed even the frontcover of my copy is different (it has a reference to the Hobbit films). I uploaded a scan of my copy and added some notes (doubting that mine is an actual 4th printing). Perhaps it's best that you clone Biomassbob's second printing for your edition. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:47, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::I've cloned mine off the original release [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?900198 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:20, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::I've also linked the two versions so people can easily find them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:23, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Justin Leiber titles ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48206 The Sword and the Eye], would you mind if I add the map on page 7?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48221 The Sword and the Tower], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+216 and add the map on page [7]?<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:27, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Please do. Seems I forgot to add the maps. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:17, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Watchtower ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188549 Watchtower], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [12]+226<br />
<br>2. Add interiorart title "Watchtower (map)" by uncredited on page [7]<br />
<br>3. Add interiorart title "Watchtower" by uncredited on page [9]<br />
<br>4. Add essay title "Appendix: The Cards of Fortune (Watchtower)" by uncredited on page 223<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:17, 30 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:No problem, go ahead. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:11, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dancers of Arun ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188529 The Dancers of Arun] would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [10]+275<br />
<br>2. Add interiorart title "The Dancers of Arun (map)" on page [7]<br />
<br>3. Add interiorart title "The Dancers of Arun" on page [9]<br />
<br>4. Add relevant notes.<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:43, 30 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:No problem, go ahead. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:12, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Northern Girl ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188517 The Northern Girl], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [14]+415<br />
<br>2. Import title "The Northern Girl (maps)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Add essay title "Appendices (The Northern Girl)" by uncredited on page 409<br />
<br>4. Add relevant notes<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:04, 30 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:No problem, go ahead. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:12, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Third Eagle ==<br />
<br />
On the title page of my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48488 The Third Eagle] there is what looks like a subtitle under the drawing. Based on this, I would like to change the title to "The Third Eagle: Lessons Along a Minor String". The record for the Doubleday hardcover edition has this subtitle and this pub is stated as being the complete text of that edition. Would it be OK to make the change or is this something you should do as the original PV for this pub? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:24, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Good find! Please proceed. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:21, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Het rijk van het atoom / De tovenaar van Linn ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?416047 this] is Jerome Podwil. Same art as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1880222 this]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:37, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for finding this. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:26, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Stylistically it's obviously Jerome Podwil, but I've never seen a good source or signature to clinch it. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 06:07, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== WW ID ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48242; 13200 ID added. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:48, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: ok. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:26, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragonsong ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255631 Dragonsong], would you mind if I import the title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?962061 Foreword] on page ix? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:41, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: No problem. Go ahead. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:27, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Space Opera ==<br />
<br />
Added cover artist Eddie Jones to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?521536 this], same cover art as on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?686251 Das Schiff von Atlantis]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 10:33, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! and approved. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:51, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Sociology of the Possible ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?871321; There's a 6th printing on Archive.org which says the excerpt from Samuel Butler is Erewhon. Does your copy say the same and the title was just entered incorrectly here or was it actually misspelled in the 1st printing? --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:21, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, it's actually spelled as "Erehwon". I added a note. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:46, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: I noticed Archive.org has another copy, uploaded in September 2020, which doesn't show up on Open Library, that turned out to be the first edition you PV, so I've added an edit with the Archive link. There's also a 1977 "2d ed." on OL and LCCN whose page counts, both Roman and regular, differ, so I don't know where that fits in. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:36, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Unites States ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?265442; 2 Walker publications have a note saying "Unites States"; I fixed one because there's an Archive copy but this book doesn't have one; the other PV for this book died so I'll ask you to check if it really says Unites or if it's United. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:21, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Just a typo. Corrected now. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:48, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Larry Niven / The Magic Goes Away ==<br />
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I am PVing and editing the limited ed hc of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43532 The Magic Goes Away]. I will change the page count which brings it in line with the page count of the tp version. I have verified that this count is also correct for the hc. I will also add my usual extensive notes. I will leave your comment: "PV1 copy is signed by Niven, but not numbered" as it is. Incidentally, my copy is both signed and numbered. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 19:01, 25 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: No problem. Go ahead. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:18, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Larry Niven / Limits ==<br />
<br />
I am PVing and editing the US version of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?248393 Limits]. The ISFDb pub record has the story "Folk Tale" on p205, whereas in my copy of the book it is "Table Manners" both on p205 and in the TOC. The latter is a variant title of the former. Can you please check your copy and advise. If it is consistent with mine then I will make the appropriate change. I have posted this note on the talk pages of Willem H, Dirk P Broer & GlennMcG. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:47, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:My copy has "Folk Tale" on page 205 and the toc. Does your copy also state "First Edition: February 1985" on the copyright page? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:11, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::My copy is priced $2.95 and states "First Edition: February 1985" on copyright page. There is no numberline and no mention of additional printings. Everything about it precisely matches the info in the pub record to which I linked... apart from the title of the Folk Tale / Table Manners story. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 08:08, 29 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::Amazing. So there are two different first editions. The best thing to do is clone the existing pub and in the new one replace "Folk Tale" with "Table Manners" (with a note explaining the difference of course). Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 13:52, 29 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::::We have a conclusion so I am posting this note on all your talk pages (Willem H, Dirk P Broer and GlennMcG). It is quite bizarre: there are two versions of the first printing. Willem H and GlennMcG have the version with "Folk Tale" on p205 whereas Dirk P Broer and I have the version with "Table Manners" on p205. I will clone the existing record, alter it to show the "Table Manners" title and add a pub note explaining the difference between the two versions. Then I will edit the original record and add a corresponding pub note. This should help to prevent a future editor thinking that these are duplicate records and deleting one of them. Thank you all for your help in resolving this matter. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:44, 30 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Land Beyond the Map ==<br />
<br />
Now that the original art (apparently unsigned, alas) of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14802 Land Beyond the Map] is shown at [https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1813647 comicartfans] by Glynn Crain, and credited to John Schoenherr, thus agreeing with Ian Schoenherr's statement (see publication note), I'd like to change the cover art credit from Jerome Podwil to John Schoenherr. Would you agree? [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 16:49, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I have no objections to the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:40, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: No objections from me either. Thanks. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:01, 29 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== To Say Nothing of the Dog duplicate records ==<br />
<br />
It looks like you and Stonecreek have duplicate records for the 4th printing of <nowiki>ISBN 0-553-57538-4</nowiki>. Please see {{P|351641}} and {{P|351116}}. I will point Stonecreek to this conversation as well. If you two could work out if these are truly duplicates and consolidate to one, it would be appreciated. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:54, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Hi, Willem. I have unverified mine and will delete it: it was in fact verified later than yours (on 2011-05-05). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:29, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Looks like the right solution. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:32, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: One afterthought: Should ", or How We Found the Bishop's Bird Stump at Last" better be added to the publication's title? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:24, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Probably, yes. I'll look at the titlepage when I'm home again sunday. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 17:18, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: The titlepage has the subtitle, so I added it. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:32, 17 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost Realms Reginald Verification ==<br />
<br />
Hi Willem -<br />
<br />
You've marked your verified trade paperback [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289322 publication] of ''Lost Realms'' with a Reginald3 verification. It looks like Reginald lists the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289323 hardcover] printing. I've added the Reginald ID to that one, but have left the Reginald3 verification open in case you'd like to move your verification there. I do note that the HC publication has a later date and a note to that effect. It looks like the note and the date change was added by [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] back in 2009. The secondary sources all have the 1984 date. I'm not sure of his source, or whether it would apply to the paperback as well. In any case, I've let the date and the note stand. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:30, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm on a short vacation at the moment. Will look at the pub/Reginald3 next sunday. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:36, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::You were absolutely right (of course). I moved the Reginald3 verification to the hardcover. I.m.o. the publication dates can be correct. Locus1 has the paperback as a 1984 publication, the hardcover is mentioned as "also available", but "not seen" so it could have been published later. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:43, 17 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== DUTCH Woodroffe Edition ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?485184; No cover so I added it from this page, https://www.amazon.co.uk/avonturen-van-Happer-eend-gaten/dp/B07QQ2168V, and there's other photos including the back cover, in case there's any extra info you could add from them. Amazon wrote the wrong publisher, though. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:25, 13 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:F.y.i., there is a quite obvious difference between Dutch and German. The image is correct, so it can be approved by one of the moderators still working on your submissions. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:48, 17 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: Still the same charmer, I see. FYI, the language mistake is irrelevant, the salient point is you're the PV and so per ISFDB rules I'm supposed to contact you regarding any changes, which is what I did, and I thought you'd like to know there's a photo of the back cover available in case your copy was damaged or heavily stickered and some or all of the info was illegible, because unlike you I don't care if I like the person I'm contacting; correcting old info or entering new info is all that matters here. Try to remember that the next time I contact you, Boze Man. You're welcome. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:44, 17 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Try to read the message in yellow at the top of this page. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:30, 21 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I read the part where it says, "if you want to ask me something", which I did when I asked if any info on Amazon's back cover could be used by you in case, as often happens, a PV copy is damaged or covered with price tags/library stickers. You seem to have a problem with anyone disagreeing with something you entered, as was obvious from my first contact with you last year about Wellspring and your recent embarrassingly lengthy and hostile argument with Stonecreek about some minor M.Z. Bradley story length issue, which I had to contact a mod about in order to stop you from filling screen after screen with it. I'll say it again: all that matters to me re: ISFDB is correcting or entering info, and whether I like the person I'm contacting, which I don't in most cases based on my personal interaction with them or the way they interact with others here, not to mention the quality of their editing, means nothing. So whatever problem you have with me, when I contact you with something related to this site try to answer without sarcasm or anger. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:51, 21 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Thomas M. Disch / 334 ==<br />
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I am editing / PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267525 334]. A couple of points: 1) The story starting on page 85 is actually titled "Emancipation" (variant title) whereas the pub record currently has "Emancipation: A Romance of the Times to Come" (parent title) so I will correct this. 2) The rear dj flap states "Computer picture by courtesy of Control Data International" and "Jacket design by Michael Hasted" so, as he's credited as the designer, not artist, I'm not sure he ought to have a Coverart record. This is somewhat subjective as the photo of the computer has clearly been modified to include the doorway. I don't have a strong opinion either way. Do you think we should leave the Coverart record or remove it? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 14:48, 20 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:1) I must have missed the title when verifying. The best way to do this is to remove the current title, and import the correct one.<br />
:2) I think this is one of the exceptions, where the designer also did (parts of) the cover art. I would like to keep the credit. The note probably needs to be a bit clearer. Thanks for this! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:27, 21 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::That's fine. I will leave the Coverart record alone, add the quotes from the rear dj flap to the pub notes and correct the title of Emancipation. I have just submitted the first edit. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 13:42, 21 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::First edit is approved. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:28, 21 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== What Mad Universe ==<br />
<br />
I own this edition from 1954: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?271572<br><br />
I was gonna add a late Swedish translation from 1975 and I noticed that<br><br />
my Swedish translation had changed the year of the first attempt of sending<br><br />
a rocket to the moon from 1954 (in my 1954 edition) to 1959 (in what I assume<br><br />
is an attempt to more closely reflect real events?).<br><br />
<br><br />
I noticed that you own multiple English copies of this title, past and post 1959<br><br />
and I was just curious if this change of year happened already in the English<br><br />
versions, or if this is yet again a case of an insincere Swedish translator.<br><br />
<br />
The section of the moon rocket is mentioned already on the first page.<br><br />
--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 14:21, 21 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I checked the editions I own, and all of them have 1954 as the year of the first attempt. Your idea may be right, and it's certainly worth a note. The first Swedish translation in the database is from 1959, and may be the origin of this date change. Hope this helps.--[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:42, 21 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Very interesting. I cannot speak for the 1959 translation, but I will add a note<br><br />
:: to the 1975 translation about the date of the moon rocket.<br />
:: Thanks for checking :) --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 15:51, 21 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's ''Nine Tomorrows'' et al. ==<br />
<br />
Hi Willem. I have here a copy of the July 1960 Bantam edition, similar to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?178633 this one], except that copyright page states “published simultaneously in the US and Canada". Does your copy have the same statement ? In which case, I'll upgrade the notes. If not, I'll have to make a variant of it, as the other 1960 one only has “in Canada”. TIA, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 06:50, 28 July 2022 (EDT).<br />
:Same thing for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?121801 Sheckley's ''Pilgrimage to Earth''], and I suppose many others. I also suppose now that it has been a common practice on this db to duplicate a pub with two different countries of publication, though I find this a bit odd and confusing. If this is the case, I'll just verify both versions, although I can't say I approve of the idea ! Cheers, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 08:02, 28 July 2022 (EDT).<br />
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::Hi Dominique. I remember Bluesman did a lot (thousands?) of those (he lives in Canada). It is kind of logical to treat these as two different publications, since there is a difference in the copyright pages. My copy of Nine Tomorrows has the statement "Printed in the United Stated of America" at the bottom of the copyright page (between the horizontal lines) and Pilgrimage to Earth also at the bottom of the copyright page, next to last line. Hope that helps. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:41, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::Thanks Willem, I'll go along with that. My mistake, actually : I was set on the 1959 copyright and the joint US / Canada publication for some obscure reason, and didn't nocice the bit between the lines. Must be either old age or too much booze… Thanks again, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 15:54, 28 July 2022 (EDT).<br />
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== Tuck Numbering ==<br />
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Hi Willem<br />
<br />
Another editor has changed the page count for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?209269 Tuck Volume 2] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?209273 Tuck Volume 3] from (8)+(244) to [8]+244 and (8)+(389) to [8]+389 respectively. The page numbering continues across all three volumes of Tuck and I suspect that was the reason for the non-standard numbering. These volumes also have a note explaining the continued numbering of those pages for the Arabic numbers. I don't think that the bracketed count for the pages with Roman numbers is correct. The brackets imply that the pages are not numbered. I would like to change the page count to give the number of pages using Roman numbers (viii+244 for 2 and viii+389 for 3) I would also update the note to explain the continued numbering ([xiii] to xx for 2 and [xxi] to xxviii for 3). I would also adjust the note for Volume 3 to indicate the start of the Arabic numbered pages as [231] (the page that would be 231 is a section title page and has no number). You have verified one or both of these books. Would you have any objections to my proposed changes? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:46, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I think Dirk was working on the cleanup report for "Publications with an Invalid Page Count". Your solution is better, so no objections (I assume you mean 531 for the start of volume III). Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:22, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Starfollowers of Coramonde ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255082 The Starfollowers of Coramonde], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [6]+361<br />
<br>2. Import the map title (record 1406573) on page [6] plus fix the map title date<br />
<br>3. Replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: February 1979" and "No printer's key so first printing assumed." notes.<br />
<br>4. Add LCCN<br />
<br>5. Add notes for cover artist, map artist, LCCN<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:10, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:No problem, please go ahead. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:27, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Color of Neanderthal Eyes ==<br />
<br />
Hello. Could you double check the cover art credit for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37330 this]. Certain the credit for Dave Archer is wrong. The planets on the red background is the rear portion of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/f/f7/BFRTHGLDNB1975.jpg this] rotated clockwise 90 degrees. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:41, 1 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:You're absolutely right. David Archer is credited on the copyright page though, so I changed the credit to "David Archer in error" and varianted the title to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1859474 Before the Golden Age Volume Four]. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:41, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks Willem. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:19, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Chocky catalog ID ==<br />
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My copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6956 Chocky] has catalog ID U6119. Yours? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:05, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Mine too. Probably an ancient typo. Corrected now. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:30, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== John Carter of Mars ==<br />
<br />
Cover art for this is definately not Breuce Pennington but Richard Clifton-Dey as noted on BP's Fan based Facebook site [https://www.facebook.com/Bruce-Pennington-Fan-Page-129826343726792/photos/4369595593083158 here] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:20, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the info. I added the link to the notes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:40, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: No problem. The error came because the cover is shown on an archived version of Pennington's website but subsequently removed from the current website. The British Edgar Rice Burroughs Facebook page pointed me to the image on BP's fan FB post. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:22, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Cooper / Deadly Image ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of: Willem H, GlennMcG, Spacecow <br> I will be editing and PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9422 Deadly Image] and propose to: <br> 1) update date to 1958-05-00, add pub note stating source which is the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205393 1969 Ballantine second printing] and update date on title and coverart records <br> 2) add pub note advising that the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293455 1958 UK Hutchinson hc] states that it is preceded by this edition <br> 3) delete the Clute/Nichols (sic) reference in accordance with my post: 'Clute/Nicholls and "First Edition"' on the Moderators' Noticeboard dated 3 April 2022 (now archived) <br> Are you ok with all this? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 18:08, 15 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: No problem here. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:16, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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==Edmund Cooper / Tomorrow's Gift==<br />
<br />
Posted on the talk pages of: Kraang, Willem H, Dirk P Broer, GlennMcG, Spacecow <br> I will be editing and PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189277 Tomorrow's Gift] <br> 1) the pub record has a contents entry "Brain Child". This matches the TOC but the title of the story on page 63 is "The Brain Child" <br> 2) the pub record has a contents entry "M81-Ursa Major". This matches the TOC but the title of the story on page 95 is "M81: Ursa Major" <br> I will make the appropriate corrections and add pub notes regarding the discrepancies with the TOC [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 17:54, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:Correct changes. No problem here. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 09:27, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== New Writings in SF-18 ==<br />
<br />
Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346241 this] is Dean Ellis, see [https://grapefruitmoongallery.com/24001 grapefruitmoongallery.] [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 18:07, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! Edit approved. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 09:39, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publisher for The Architecture of Desire ==<br />
<br />
Hi Willem<br />
<br />
While adding some secondary IDs to your verified record of Mary Gentle's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35298 The Architecture of Desire]'', I noticed that Reginald and Worldcat list the publisher as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4254 Bantam Press] as opposed to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?360 Bantam Books (UK)] as is listed in the record and in Locus1. With the descriptions on the the two publishers, it seems more likely that this is Bantam Press. Could you double check the book and change the publisher if we've got it wrong? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:55, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: It's indeed "Bantam Press" on the title and copyrightpage. Corrected now. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:05, 18 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== In the Wrong Hands ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18141 In the Wrong Hands], I added the title for the drawing on page ix. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:19, 18 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:And approved. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:24, 18 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== De fatale zeven dagen ==<br />
<br />
Hi, I think there's a signature 'Thole' in the lower left corner, of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375264 this], but I'd need a better scan to be certain. Compare to for example [https://www.flickr.com/photos/boydehaas/32998505650/ De Laatste Tocht]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 15:32, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:It's certainly the same signature. If you want to add the credit, be my guest. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?372380 this one] also has a similar signature. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:21, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Steps to Midnight ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304163; 1993 Forge had Seven, but it's 7, so I fixed that and had no need to contact PV because they're long-gone, but 2003 Forge was PV by you, so I fixed your title, too, and cover art title and added the Archive link. The variant situation should probably be fixed because there's probably no edition that actually has Seven on the title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:06, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Edmund Cooper / Jupiter Laughs and Other Stories ==<br />
<br />
I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19212 Jupiter Laughs and Other Stories]. A couple of points:<br />
<br>A) Two different ISBNs are stated in this pub: 0 340 24548 4 on the copyright page and 0 340 22458 4 on the rear flap. Both are valid ISBNs and, following a bit of internet research, neither seems to be assigned to another book so neither is obviously wrong. Worldcat lists both ISBNs under the same entry; British Library only lists 0 340 22458 4. I will add pub notes about all this and propose to change the ISBN field to contain the ISBN stated on the copyright page as I think that should take precedence over the rear flap.<br />
<br>B) ISFDb lists the story on page 133 as "M81: Ursa Major" (no space before "81") but it should be "M 81: Ursa Major" (space before "81") so I propose to import the latter and remove the former. Very pedantic, I know, but the ISFDb help notes state that spaces constitute a different title. NB: both of these titles are variants and already exist.<br />
<br>Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:31, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry for the late response. I checked my copy and you're right on both counts, so I agree with these changes. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:11, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Encounter Three ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250701; 4 PV, 2 active, 1 of which is not able to check books because they're moving, so you can tell me if your copy ends on 371, not 372; I added Archive link and the only thing on 372 is an ad. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:04, 20 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Perhaps the scanner forgot the last page? Page 372 is present in my copy, and has the last four lines of the novel. The first ad is on page 373 (not numbered). Accepted your edit and corrected the page count. You should not submit changes like this until after the pv agrees. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:04, 20 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Infinite Worlds ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102764; I added FantLab ID to Virgin edition; it shows many photos including the foreword, which has a title: one thousand giant steps for mankind. You PV Penguin, so if it has that title in that edition then it should be entered here; there's less than a handful of online sites besides FantLab that actually list the full title instead of just foreword. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:39, 20 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: It's in my edition too. Corrected now. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 14:53, 20 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== De Speekselboom ==<br />
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I found the original of the cover art of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?550663 this] on [https://nl.pinterest.com/pin/40180621664416484/ pinterest] with a small signature at left bottom that looks like Karel Thole's signature. (Who else could it be?) [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 17:14, 21 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! Artist added (indeed, who else...) --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 16:42, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== John Varley / Titan (map & diagram) ==<br />
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I am drawing your attention to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#John_Varley_.2F_Titan_.28map_.26_diagram.29 this topic] on the Community Portal which affects a pub that you have PVd. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:30, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Added my 2c there. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 16:43, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Prelude to Space cover art ==<br />
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I think the cover artist [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?222057 here] is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27523 John Bunch]. The signature seems to be a match to his other covers. Do you agree? --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 23:10, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Agreed, and changed. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 04:51, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Return to Eden ==<br />
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Hi<br />
I notice that many of the publication records of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9231 Return to Eden] contain the appendix, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?979454 The World West of Eden] as well as the prolog and the map as separate entries, so in the interest of consistency I'd like to add them to the contents of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27998 the publication you verified] if that's OK. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 00:58, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:"The World West of Eden": I believe this is present in every edition of the three Eden books. Except for the German and Italian editions, it's now added to no edition of "West of Eden", only one of "Winter in Eden" and two of "Return to Eden". If you want to add it as a separate entry, go ahead (but should it then not be in every edition of the three books?).<br />
:The Prolog: This I also believe to be present in every edition of the three Eden books, and it is added as a separate entry only in two editions of "West of Eden" ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982547 see here]). I.m.o. it should be removed from these two and be considered as part of the novel(s).<br />
:The map: I didn't find a map in any of the three novels, and also not in the database. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386408 This Italian edition] has the interior art as (map), but I think that's a mistake. Hope this makes sense. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 05:39, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Charles Sheffield / The Nimrod Hunt ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of active PVs: Ahasuerus, Willem H., GlennMcG<br />
<br>I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44718 The Nimrod Hunt]. There is a pub note stating "Price in Canada: C$4.95". My copy has no Canadian price. Is there a Canadian price on your copy? If we all agree there is not then I will delete this note. I also propose to add a pub note about the discrepancy in the heading of the excerpt on page [407]. This states "...coming in July 1985..." despite Nimrod Hunt being published in August 1986. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:58, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Indeed, no Canadian price. It should have been removed when a separate record for the Canadian edition was made. See also [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ahasuerus/Archive/2008#Nimrod_Hunt this discussion] from 2008. It's always good to add notes about discrepancies, so please do. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 14:25, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Excellent: we have 100% agreement amongst the four of us. I have just submitted the edit to make the changes as per my original proposal and have also added the "Not to be confused..." note suggested by Ahasuerus. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:11, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Vernor Vinge / The Peace War ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45166 The Peace War]. I will import the existing record for the excerpt of "Between the Strokes of Night" by Charles Sheffield which appears in the unnumbered pages at the end of the book and will adjust the Pages field to 378+[4] accordingly. I have verified that this excerpt in The Peace War is identical to the excerpt in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44718 The Nimrod Hunt]. Incidentally, since this pb of The Peace War was published in June 1985, the statement "...coming in July 1985..." at the head of the excerpt now makes sense. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:44, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Agreed. I approved the two edits that were still in the queue. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 16:40, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Synthetic Men of Mars ==<br />
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Cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288445 this] is credited to Richard Clifton-Dey on the [https://www.erbzine.com/mag7/0737.html ERB Webzine site] (2nd image from the bottom). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:07, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! I approved your edits and merged the three coverart titles. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3103502 here]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 16:32, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The House on Parchment Street ==<br />
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Willem, You verified our copy of the 1978 first Aladdin ed. P{{p|201369}}, where I submit correction of a spelling error. --not worth mentioning here.<br><br />
But I bring to your attention two other submissions concerning the COVERART. I doubt that Amazon image for the 1973 first edition. For now I think we should handle it this way.<br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485236 Submission 5485236], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485237 5485237], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485238 5485238]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:29, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks for catching the spelling error. I also approved the other edits, indeed seems to be the best way to handle it for now. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 16:22, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== SF: Authors' Choice -- edition statement ==<br />
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My copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29747 SF: Authors' Choice] says "Berkley Medallion Edition, June, 1968" (all caps). Note the missing leading 'A', and the comma after June. Yours? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:31, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Unfortunately my paperback anthologies are still in storage after the fire of 2020, so I can't reach my copy at the moment. Please make the changes you think necessary. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 03:52, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Light of Zetar ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5470988 this edit] which impacts your verified pub. Based on the [https://archive.org/details/lightsofzetar0000moor Internet Archive] scan, it does seem the title should be "The Lights of Zetar". Would you mind double checking your pub if possible? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:30, 20 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:I have no idea how I missed this when verifying. Please approve the edit, I changed the parent title and the publications. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 04:00, 21 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Science Fiction Stories, January 1960 ==<br />
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Just submitted a note, the cover art of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193165 this] was previously used as back cover art on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?243005+f Future Science Fiction, #28] and credited there. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 17:02, 7 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Submission approved, and I varianted the two titles. Also added the archive.org link to Future Science Fiction, #28. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 07:02, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== John Lennon and Sherlock ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1240300; I've added links to Lennon's stories today, the anniversary of his murder, and this one, by far the longest, is on the Arthur Conan Doyle website, but the story was titled Singularge, not Singular. I found a copy of 1 of the anthologies you PV, https://readfrom.net/sebastian-wolfe-ed/363881-the_misadventures_of_sherlock_holmes_ii.html, which has Singularge. The other PV has passed away, so if you can check and see what the title is. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:11, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:The hardcover indeed has Singularge. My paperback anthologies are still in storage, so I can't check that one at the moment. I changed the title for now, and made a note to myself to check the paperback when I can. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 14:16, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Alternate Asimovs ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?176861; US Signet on Archive.org has xii, I've added it in a pending edit, yours probably the same since there's a Roman numeral in the contents so you may want to add them to your PV, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:36, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Added another note to myself. Will check this when I see my paperback anthologies again. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 16:02, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Inner Wheel ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5522370; I think cover art should have a 1971 date, in case PV wants to change it, since art is original to this edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:49, 27 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:14, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Reynolds - Shadow Captain ==<br />
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Hi, re your PV [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?693914 here] - letting you know I'm adding the coverart credits. Thanks. Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:20, 3 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry, but as far as I know we do not credit designers for the cover illustration, unless it is clear they also did (some of) the art. In this case the credit should sooner go to Shutterstock than Blacksheep/Lauren Panepinto (who is not even mentioned in my edition).<br />
: One other thing, if you enter data that is not from the publication itself, you should always add a note citing the source of the data. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:07, 3 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Forrest J Ackerman's credits ==<br />
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When you have a moment, could you please check how your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact&TERM_1=Forrest+J.+Ackerman&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Willem+H.&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication verified Forest J Ackerman] pubs credit Ackerman? The other day a user pointed out that most of Ackerman's books/stories use {{A|Forrest J Ackerman}} as opposed to {{A|Forrest J. Ackerman}}, but only 30-ish of our pubs credit him that way. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:34, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63188 Worlds of Tomorrow] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?171521 Forrest J Ackerman's World of Science Fiction] both lack the period after the 'J'. I changed both. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 14:48, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:16, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clarke - The Last Theorem - 'ambles ==<br />
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Hi Willem, you are PV [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298173 here], could you check yours and have a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Clarke_-_The_Last_Theorem_-_.27ambles this conversation]. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:47, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Added my 2¢ there. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:22, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Beyond Apollo by Barry Malzberg ==<br />
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Hi, Willem. In 2009 you verified this version of Barry Malzberg's "Beyond Apollo", which you identified as a 2nd printing: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303874. However, per https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?182 it's actually a 1st printing. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 13:25, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I see. That makes my edition identical to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?144821 this one]. I'll move my verification and delete the duplicate entry. Will also leave a message on Don Erikson's page, just in case. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:24, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Boucher - "S-F Books - 1960" or "S-F Books: 1960"? ==<br />
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Hello Willem, could you check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?178417 The 6th Annual of the Year's Best S-F] to see exactly how Boucher's essay is titled - I suspect it might be "S-F Books: 1960". If it is, and it's ok with you, I'll make the change. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:21, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Unfortunately my paperback anthologies are still in storage, so I can't check this one at the moment. I made a note to myself, but it may take some time. Hope the other verifiers can access their copy. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 03:29, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I'll try the others, thanks for responding. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:30, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov & Silverberg - To the Reader (Nightfall) ==<br />
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Hello Willem, I'm working through the Nightfall pubs and came across {{P|24160|yours}}. Should it include the essay title {{T|1085795|record here}}? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:14, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes, the essay is present. Added now. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 04:30, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Hollowing Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?346911; Pallencar on back flap of HC, also on copyright page of PB, should be entered here and made a variant; according to a text search on Archive.org this edition of The Hollowing and another book, Return to Avalon, are the only instances of the Pallencar variant (I've made an edit for the Avalon book). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:47, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Corrected. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 14:22, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds from the Lowlands Publisher ==<br />
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Hi Willem -<br />
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Could you take a look at the publisher for Loggem's {{P|23801|New Worlds from the Lowlands: Fantasy and Science Fiction of Dutch and Flemish Writers}}. We have the publisher listed as "Merrick" and a publication series as "Cross-Cultural Communications". However, looking at the Worldcat and Reginald records, I think the publisher may be [https://www.facebook.com/CrossCulturalCommunications.NY/ Cross-Cultural Communications], which is located in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick,_New_York Merrick, New York]. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:54, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:You are right. I should have noticed this when verifying. I corrected both editions. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 13:52, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fred Gambino re: Asimov's - Foundation & Empire variant ==<br />
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Hello Willem, I'm asking for help trying to sort out date accreditation for Fred's coverart. Could you have a look at this thread on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Asimov_-_Foundation_.26_Empire_variant Help Desk] and respond there if you can help. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:00, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Added my 2c there. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:54, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Titan PF ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/books/OL25373105M/The_other_log_of_Phileas_Fogg; I added links to 2 Tor editions but your PV for the Titan edition has a UK price. Does it make a difference if Archive.org link is added to this edition or does yours actually start with the UK price on the back cover unlike their copy? There weren't 3 separate editions published, were there? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:35, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Titan is a UK based publisher. I.m.o. it doesn't matter which price is printed first, the UK price is entered in the price field, the rest goes in the notes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 10:50, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Quicker Than the Eye ==<br />
For {{P|27208|Quicker Than the Eye}}, can you please double check the spelling of the story on page 125? Should it be "Dorian in Excelsus" (ending in "us") instead of the current "Dorian in Excelsis"? The other editions of this pub all used "us". Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:16, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Good catch! I switched the titles. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:30, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - Nightfall and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hello Willem, just to let you know that I've entered all the introductions to {{P|178377|this pub}}, replacing the generic <i>Biographical Comments in "Nightfall and Other Stories"</i> title. I don't know if this would be any use to your {{P|207809|record here}}. I've posted the same message to Tom (Taweiss). Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:33, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Added my thoughts on [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_Nightfall_and_Other_Stories Tom's page]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 09:26, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Clock That Went Backward ==<br />
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Concerning 1881 short story "The Clock That Went Backward" by Edward Page Mitchell:<br />
We have six remaining publications as {{t|93690|The Clock That Went Backwards}} (with final 's'), which has been the parent title until yesterday. One of those primary verified is your record of the 2011 ''Wordsworth Collection of Science Fiction'' P{{p|337574}}, which I hope you will check: BACKWARD or BACKWARDS? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:46, 12 March 2023 (EDT)</div>
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== Near Side of the Moon (map) ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to "Near Side of the Moon (map)". You moderator note is "Map is the exact one used in Luna: Wolf Moon and it is credited to Senior on the copyright page". Is it credited in ''Luna: New Moon'' or ''Luna: Wolf Moon''? If ''Luna: Wolf Moon'', then it should remain uncredited for ''Luna: New Moon'' and be varianted to ''Luna: Wolf Moon'' version. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:36, 21 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:It's credited in "Luna: Wolf moon" so I guess variant it. There's also this link: https://planetarymapping.wordpress.com/2016/04/20/near-side-of-the-moon-2015/.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:59, 21 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Edit rejected and varianted instead. For internal art, it should be entered as uncredited if not credited in the pub. Only cover art is credited within the pub via secondary sources. This is because we don't allow uncredited cover art titles. Another of the ISFDB oddities. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:22, 22 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::I can live with quirks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:35, 22 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, May/June 2019 ==<br />
<br />
Is the review for "Seven Doors in an Unyielding Stone" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?716360 your verified] about the [https://hedgespokenpress.com/collections/seven-doors-in-an-unyielding-stone complete series] or for each book individually? Or just for one book? If it is for the series, it will need to become an essay. If it is for the books individually or for one of them, we need to swap the name and/or just connect to the correct book. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:41, 8 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::It's a small review about the entire set followed by a review of each individual book. Let me know how you want to handle that.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 11:02, 10 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Well, we cannot have a review of a series in the form of a REVIEW (unless you find it in a single title anyway). So we have two choices:<br />
:::* Make it an essay.<br />
:::* Add all of the books one by one (or the ones that are eligible if not all of them are) and then split this review and create a review for each plus an essay for the complete series. <br />
::: Up to you - your verification, your choice. :) If someone disagrees, they can change it later. Keep in mind that as these are going to be chapbooks, the reviews will need to be attached to the stories, not to the chapbooks title entries. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:02, 12 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::I'll look at the review and see if it covers all the stories and if it can be split cleanly. If so, I'll do one review for each. Probably won't happen until this weekend.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:20, 12 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::Okay, I think I'm going to go with splitting it into reviews on each book and an essay on the set as a whole. de Lint goes on for quite some time on the set as a whole. Enough so that it warrants essay status. I'll submit the changes shortly.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 10:21, 24 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Any plans to add the books so we can link them? :) In the meantime, can you check the spelling of the name of the author of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2601457 Black Hat] - the [https://shop.hedgespoken.org/products/black-hat-by-tom-hirons-seven-doors publisher] shows it differently. We will need to fix it on the review but a note may be in order in case the spelling is like that in the magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:30, 29 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Fixed the spelling of Hirons. Hadn't planned to add the books but I can go the website and get the information. Will try to do it over the weekend.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:36, 31 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: When a review is not connected, it pop ups on one of the reports :) So someone needs to add the books sooner or later. Thanks for doing it here - and sorry for the delay - was mostly off for a few days. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:01, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: I removed the essay as per your other note so all is good now. You may want to use the | format for page numbers to order the reviews on page 58 :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:03, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: And in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?723238 July/August], can you check if [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2584887 this] is really about Susan and not [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2503632 Sarah] instead? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:44, 8 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Correction submitted (as well as a page number error I caught going through it). Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 11:02, 10 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks! I connected the review (when the connection does not happen on the initial creation (due to a typo or a missing title for example), it needs to be done manually) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:02, 12 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks! Glad that's over! 01:00, 14 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Fire Chronicle ==<br />
<br />
For this book you added two covers with two different authors: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?396784 Can you please specify in the pub notes why? I assume one is the inner one and one the red outer one. Correct? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] 05:18, 18 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Correct. The system wouldn't let me add an additional artist. Note update submitted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:36, 18 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Seven Doors in an Unyielding Stone by Tom Hirons ==<br />
<br />
I found in Your PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?716360 The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, May/June 2019] a review on page 57 "Seven Doors in an Unyielding Stone" by Tim Hirons. I tried to find that publication, but couldn't. Instead I found a series of seven books with this title [https://hedgespokenpress.com/collections/seven-doors-in-an-unyielding-stone here] edited by '''Tom''' Hirons. So can You please check the review in Your magazine what it says? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 04:58, 19 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Zapp, see 2 messages above - he is already checking on that one and figuring out how to record what we have in the magazine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:18, 19 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::^^Discussion on this will be above. Thanks.^^[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 10:17, 24 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Locus1 verifications ==<br />
<br />
Hello Jim, <br />
<br />
You secondary verified a 2017 edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?630129 Quillifer] against Locus1. However, this specific verification is for verifications in [http://www.locusmag.com/index/ this index] and it stopped being updated in 2007. What exactly did you verify about this book and where when you marked it as verified in Locus1? Thanks! <br />
::I'll stop marking them verified in Locus1. I was marking them when they were listed in the magazine. My mistake.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:42, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Ah, I see. Easy to mix these up. Thanks for the understanding. The stats page shows 113 Locus1 verifications to your name. If I get a list, I will post it back here - the verifications is one thing that cannot be changed from the moderators. Not urgent but one of those days we need to clean those. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:52, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::I'll update them if you post it. I want things to be accurate.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:06, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
PS: On a separate topic: the policy is to archive the messages on one's Talk page, not to delete them altogether. I will fish out the ones you deleted awhile back and set an archive page for you later today. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:38, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::My old talk pages were archived and I don't remember deleting them. I sort of wondered where they went. ;)[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:42, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::: So there may be a copy somewhere - let me see if I can find it before copying back from history and making a new archive :) PS: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SFJuggler&diff=560419&oldid=554472 this] is the update that deleted them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:52, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::: Found them and found your older archives as well - added the latest to the list and added a link to the list of them on top of the current discussion page - you may want to leave that conversation always on top. Feel free to reorganize if you prefer a different organization. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:00, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::::Thanks. That works for me.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:06, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The self-interview thing ==<br />
<br />
A lot of those essays are essentially interviews with questions and answers - thus the self-interview thing :) If another PV decides they want it differently, they can discuss with you. I need to dig my own copies and add the ones we are missing... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:10, 7 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: PS: Added the series to the editor, added the disambiguation and the series to the last essay and fixed one capitalized "With" in Moreno-Garcia's essay. Will leave you to finalize the rest. Let me know if you need assistance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:13, 7 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for the info on the self-interviews. Looking over these neither one is a question/answer thing so I'm going to leave them as essays. If someone wants to change them later for consistency's sake I'm not going to quibble.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:31, 7 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: There is some work to be done on both magazines (reviews to be connected, some column series and so on). Let me know if you need some help with those :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
::::Yep, just been out and about all day. Just got home and haven't had a chance, yet. ;)[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:47, 7 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::: No worries. I had been on planes and airports most of the day so just catching up as well. I will leave you to it :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:50, 7 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Unfortunately editing the title once the review record is created will not link them. You need to manually link - go to the review page and look in the left menu. There is a "Link Review to Title" link. Click on it and link them this way. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:50, 7 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Thanks. Didn't know that (it would have saved some time earlier this year). I was more concerned about getting the issue of F&SF into C.C. Finlay's list. The initial entry flashed an error message and said that it would be done automatically.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:02, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: If you get it right the first time and there is an exact match and only one (if an author has a story and a novel by the same name the software won't know which one to pick), it gets connected. Once the record is created, it needs to be done manually - and if the "subtitle" in the magazine is different from the one on the book, it won't matter really (although a discrepancy should be checked) :) One of those oddities of the DB. If you see the same message, can you copy the exact wording? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:11, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
<br />
(unindent) One more thing: The review goes to the story record, not the chapbook record. Think of the chapbook just as a special container we use here to record single stories - it cannot be in series, it cannot be reviewed... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:16, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Noted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:20, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: And one more - columns need disambiguation - either by a title (if there is one) or by adding the issue name. Otherwise [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?10734 this series] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?20077 this series] will look absolutely useless. And I will fix the few in the latter that are not disambiguated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:19, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Noted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:20, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Magazines can be... fun. Especially our long standing ones with long series... :) Thanks for adding those by the way - we are way behind on magazines this year :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:23, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Starmont Reader's Guides ==<br />
<br />
I'm trying to find out how the cover illustrations were credited in the early Starmont reader's guides. You verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?226165 Fritz Leiber] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?234037 Hal Clement]. The credit as we have it now is to 'Stephen Fabian' (Leiber) or 'Stephen E. Fabian, Sr. and Stephen Fabian' (Clement). In my copy copy of the Leiber it's 'Stephen E. Fabian, Sr. and Stephen Fabian, Jr.' and I have a strong suspicion the Clement is credited that way too. Could you check these for me? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:30, 11 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Your suspicions serve you well. It is credited to both on the Clement.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:59, 13 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! One more confirmation and I'll start correcting the credits. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:02, 13 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::Not sure why I didn't catch that since I entered both in my own catalog.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:25, 14 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks for checking. I credited Leiber and Clement to both Fabians, and added a note to the pub series. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:37, 19 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::Glad it's fixed.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:26, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, January/February 2019 ==<br />
<br />
Hello, <br />
<br />
There are still two unlinked reviews in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?699252 verified]. I was planning to link them but the works they review are not eligible for inclusion in the DB. Do you mind if I convert these two to essays? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:27, 15 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Be my guest.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:20, 18 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Done. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:59, 18 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 02:00, 18 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== A Betrayal in Blood ==<br />
<br />
This novel should probably be added somewhere under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?43271 this series] :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:31, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: And it was - I moved it though the main series is only for the originals). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:34, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I'll remember that for any future entries.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:38, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: No worries, someone will move it if it is not where it belongs. As a rule, when we have new authors into an established 1-author universe (which is not a continuation like Sanderson and the Wheel of Time), we spin them into their own series - either with a parent on top or with the main series as a parent. Keeps things... cleaner. We are not always consistent but still... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:41, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::It works.22:43, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Mammoth Book of Steampunk ==<br />
<br />
In comparing our record for {{P|386275|The Mammoth Book of Steampunk}} against an Internet Archive [https://archive.org/details/mammothbookofste00wall scan], I found a few things that I hope you can double check for me:<br />
*p31, ISFDB credit is by Elise Tobler, but the scan shows E. Catherine Tobler on the title page.<br />
*p84, ISFDB has "Muhammed" (e) in the title, but the scan shows "Muhammad" (a) on the title page.<br />
*p306, ISFDB has "Dr." (period) in the title, but the scan shows "Dr" (no period) on the title page.<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:11, 22 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Will try to check this when I can. I'm leaving for a trip and won't be back until after the first of November.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:53, 26 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Did you ever have a chance to check this? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:44, 24 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::Have not. Trying to find it. It went back into storage and I haven't found which box it went into yet. I'm still looking.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:13, 24 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::Since you haven't found it and the scan matches that publication record (US first printing), I went ahead and made the changes to match the scan since they are likely database typos. If you find the book and determine the scan differs, ping me and I will restore the prior version and then clone a new record for the scanned version. Thanks for looking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:21, 3 December 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Da Vinci Cod and Other Illustrations for Unwritten Books ==<br />
<br />
Collections and anthologies require fiction content; artbooks and books of essays are recorded as non-fiction. I changed the type [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?743919 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:38, 9 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:19, 9 November 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== ''The Great Snape Debate'' ==<br />
<br />
Hi, I have corrected the author to 'uncredited', as we credit per what is stated on the title page (and then variant, if the real author / editor is known), and the date, since Amazon really uses the first day of a month if they dont have the exact day of publication. Thanks for that one, anyway. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:17, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for the corrections. I'll send the cover.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:08, 13 November 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Egg & Spoon ==<br />
<br />
I accepted you edits to ''Egg & Spoon''. Based on your moderator & publication notes, shouldn't the cover art credit be changed? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:27, 24 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:Yes, it should but it's grayed out in this one. Will have to be changed in another entry. I'm not sure where the Doug Smith attribution comes from unless they're just copying from Maguire's other books.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:30, 24 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::Yup, I changed it. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:34, 24 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::Okay. I'll kill the change I submitted, then. Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:36, 24 November 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== ESB Professional ==<br />
<br />
Are you sure that we want to record [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2513527 this one] this way? We credit the artists, this looks like a design/photo arrangements? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:59, 26 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Ps: That cover had a variant under the wrong name so I fixed that as well. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:01, 26 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::The cover credits the man on the cover to Knowles and the DNA strands to ESB Professional. I'll go with whatever you decide but they distinctly credit 2 different "artists".[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:07, 26 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: Let's leave it like that for now - if someone disagrees, we can correct. If I were adding it, I would credit the artist and note the DNA strands in the notes only. But either way works. Thanks for correcting this one! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 26 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::No problem. If it bugs someone, I'm okay with a change.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:12, 28 November 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Nice for What ==<br />
<br />
Can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2584870 this story] and its author name. Is it by any chance "Dominica Phetteplace" instead of "Dominca Phettaplace" on the title page of the story. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:41, 30 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:Yes. Correction submitted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:30, 3 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:: So is it "Dominca Phetteaplace" (as submitted by you just now) or [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162386 Dominica Phetteplace] (I have a hold on an edit that changes it do that)?<br />
:::No. "Dominca Phetteplace". The "a" was supposed to be backspaced out but it apparently didn't take. Thanks for the catch.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:35, 3 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::: So Dominca and not Dominica? (sorry - just making sure so we do not need to keep fixing it :). And this is from the title page, correct? Can you check if the contents has the same spelling (if not, I will be happy to write the note for the situation). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:41, 3 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::::"Dominica Phetteplace" on both TOC and title page of story. I should have double-checked typing. This will be the last. I promise. ;)[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:44, 3 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::::: I will then approve the one I have on hold that sent me here asking you to check -- and thanks for checking again! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:45, 3 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::::::You're welcome. Again, thanks for the catch.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:52, 3 December 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Foundation and Earth - Asimov ==<br />
<br />
Hi Jim, your Limited Edition {{P|281177|here}} is in discussion at Biomassbob's page here [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Foundation_and_Earth_-_Asimov]. Perhaps you could take a look? Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 20:55, 6 December 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Larry Richards ==<br />
<br />
Thanks for adding the details for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?304457 this author] but I had to massage the data a bit - the format for the legal name is always "Last, First Middles" and as we are an international DB, the birthplace should always contain the country :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:50, 8 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:Thanks![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:57, 8 December 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Magazines ==<br />
<br />
All EDITOR records need to have a series which will create the grid for them. Now... it may not be worth creating the yearly record when there is only one issue but we do need a series :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:05, 15 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:I guess it's a must, then. ;)[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 02:13, 15 December 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The indexed pieces by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205164 Charles Kurts] ==<br />
<br />
Hi, it would seem that these works should belong somewhere in the 'Star Trek' universe. Is that so, and could you add the respective series? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:09, 17 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:I've submitted a couple of them. I'll have to dig out the book to get the rest in the proper place.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:39, 21 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:05, 21 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::No problem! It may take a bit on the rest.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:07, 21 December 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== World Tales ==<br />
<br />
I approved [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?751445 this] by mistake - planned to hold so I can come ask if it is the same as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?446046 this]. If so, would you mind moving your PV and any notes you want and I will delete the new one. If it is different, can we add a line or two on how it is different. Thanks and sorry for the mistake. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:02, 21 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:Yes, they are the same as near as I can tell. Here's a proposal: I'll move my notes over and combine them with the existing ones. I'll leave the contents alone. The cover I was going to upload has the included prints next to it so it's more complete than the current one so I'll upload that and we'll call it good. Let me know if this is acceptable and I'll do it.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:14, 21 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Check with the other PV about the cover maybe - just in case there are two covers actually - which may mean two different editions? Doubt it but... who knows. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:03, 21 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::His cover is identical to mine. It would just be the addition of the 2 inclusions to the right.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 21:30, 21 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::: Ah, okey then. The plan sounds good then. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:46, 21 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::::I'll do the changes and submit them.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:53, 22 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::::::I would have preferred that as a primary verifier, we had discussed these changes before they had been made. I do see some changes that I disagree with. First the change of the title type from NONFICTION to ANTHOLOGY. Under the definition of NONFICTION on [[Template:PublicationFields:PubType|this help page]] states " A publication that contains both non-fiction and fiction should be typed by that which is predominant.". I would argue that this publication is primarily appreciations of the guests of the convention and other essays and thus predominantly non-fiction. My other concern is with the prints that were included with the publication. These are essentially interior artwork (by our definition) and I feel strongly that they should not be included in the cover scan. I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding of the fair use that we assert by providing cover scans (as noted in the template) would not cover the inclusion of additional artwork from the publication which is under copyright. I'll also note that the scan is larger that our standards allow, which should be no larger than 600 pixels in their largest dimension (See [[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki#Direct Upload Procedure|here]].) I believe that we should revert the image of the cover alone which is also of the proper size. I will also note that I acquired my copy of this book from the secondary market and the prints were not included. I think they probably should be listed as INTERIORART content items with the titles given. We could either leave the page number blank of enter it as "laid in" as appropriate. Please let me know if you agree. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:25, 22 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::::::Ron, If you want to change the scan back, I'm good with that. I just included them for the sake of showing the complete publication. As for the change from non-fiction to anthology...I have no idea where that change came from since I never touched it. The only thing I did was copy notes in and upload the new cover. I DID create a new entry for this publication as I did not know that yours existed until anniemod pointed it out but I have put it in for deletion and it's gone.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 11:27, 22 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::::::::Thanks Jim. I've made the changes as discussed. Annie had changed it to an anthology and I assumed that was in preparation for your changes since her edit was shortly before yours. In any case, please take a look and let me know if it looks good to you. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:10, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::::::::: Yep - the anthology change was me - based on the faulty approval (Jim has it as an anthology as well) and the fact that it had stories. I still would call that an anthology but I am fine with it staying a non-fiction - it did not cross my mind that it is not just as simple typo. Sorry about that. :) Sounds like we are back to normal here? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:00, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::::::::::Works for me.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:38, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Demon Dentist ==<br />
<br />
Hi, why do you want to change the publication date for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4518299 Deamon Dentist]? I have the [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0062417045?ie=UTF8&tag=isfdb-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0062417045 Amazon.com page here], with March 1, 2016. Take care with the 'Look Inside' view, it often shows another edition.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 04:04, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:Fatigue. I was looking at the trade paper version.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:41, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Psychology of Time Travel ==<br />
<br />
Hello. We tend to record glossaries as ESSAY, not SHORT FICTION. Could you check your PV'd {{p|697547|The Psychology of Time Travel}} and if indeed it's not a short story, adjust accordingly (or conversely, add a note that notwithstanding what its title suggests, that it -is- really a short story)? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:16, 2 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:I entered them as short stories because they were "in-universe" as noted in the notes. They were not essays explaining things in the novel from the author's point of view. If they need to be changed to essays then I will go ahead and do that. I'm not exactly sure what the standard is on this. Let me know. Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:30, 2 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:: Hi Jim, see also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Mechanismo_.26_Wyst:_Alastor_1716 here] for a similar discussion. I agree it's a thin line sometimes, but I record a glossary an ESSAY if it lists & briefly explains/clarifies terminology and (character) names. Conversely, if it does not - for example because the glossary contains extensive 'in-story' description of items, then it can be considered SHORTFICTION. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:46, 3 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::I think I'm going to go with that and remove the shortstory length as it is fiction rather than the author speaking directly to the reader outside the scope of the novel. Correction submitted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:02, 3 January 2020 (EST)<br />
::::Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:26, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Glad that's settled.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:57, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Dickson's ''The Dragon at War'' ==<br />
<br />
Added the Canadian cover price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38682 our verified hc]. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 01:03, 14 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:Thanks![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:01, 19 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Clarke County, Space - Allen Steele ==<br />
<br />
Hello Jim, you are PV for {{P|7278|this pub}}. I see that the cover art is credited to Hardy on the dust jacket. I have the Legend 1991 1st pb printing of this and so, whilst trying to sort out the art credit, I found this<br />
[https://fineartamerica.com/featured/space-art-ships-of-long-range-pioneer-fleet-julian-baumscience-photo-library.html fineartamerica.com] page showing the art credited to Julian Baum / Science Photo Library.<br />
Meanwhile, I've asked [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Clarke_County.2C_Space_-_Allen_Steele Biomassbob] if he would have a look in his copy of "Hardyware: The Art of David A. Hardy" to see if there's any reference to this work in there. I've checked Hardy's website links but this art's not there.<br />
What do you make of it all?<br />
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When I do my 1991 pb edit, I will be crediting the cover art to Baum. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 12:00, 2 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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:I don't see this image in any of the Hardy collections I can find on-line and it does NOT have his signature in the usual place (although it could have been cropped on the cover). I'm inclined to go with Baum on this. Since you discovered it go ahead and make the change on the original. I'm good with it.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:19, 2 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::Thanks Jim. I'll just wait to see if Bob finds anything before I make the change. I'll add explanation into your pub.notes too. Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 13:10, 2 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks for the catch.14:43, 2 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== ''As She Climbed Across the Table'' ==<br />
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Hi. It would be good if you made yourself a primary verifier on {{P|3155|As She Climbed Across the Table}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:42, 17 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:Just hadn't gotten around to it after it was approved and before I had to get to work. I'm on it![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:17, 17 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Writer's Complete Fantasy Reference: An Indispensable Compendium of Myth and Magic ==<br />
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You were the last one to edit {{P|50615|this pub}} so hoping you might be able to help me. The title transliteration field has David H. Borcherding which is obviously not a transliteration. Do you know what was intended there? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:02, 23 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:Yes, that's called entering the information into the wrong field. I meant to put it into the Author1 field since Borcherding is explicitly credited as the editor on the copyright page. I can submit a correction if you want or you can just fix it. Let me know.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:36, 23 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::I've submitted a correction and it has been accepted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:35, 23 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:02, 25 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== ''Jurassic World: Special Edition Junior Novelization'' ==<br />
<br />
Hi, with this page count and the core of juvenile readers, I do suspect that the text is only of SHORTFICTION length, thus making its publication a CHAPBOOK. Do you have any word count at hand (estimates are also welcome)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:21, 25 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:I Did a quick rough count and it clocks in at around 30,000 words tops. CHAPBOOK.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 09:50, 25 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for looking this up! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:53, 25 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:::No problem.00:34, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art for ''The Other Sister'' ==<br />
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Hi! We wouldn't credit a cover designer, and in this case it even would be a cover art for a nongenre publication (which we also don't index and don't upload). I have removed the cover art title and added an amazon image. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:03, 20 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Okay. The cover designer IS the cover artist in this case but whatever the rules say.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:06, 20 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing dates ==<br />
<br />
Hello, <br />
<br />
When changing dates on books such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6326 this one], please make sure you change the dates of all internal titles as well. If you are just adding new titles, they will get their dates from the publication date. But if the titles already exist, they will not get changed when a pub date is changed. I fixed all the titles here (pubEdit for the ones that were only published here; one by one for the rest) but just heads up for the future. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:55, 20 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. And noted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 21:58, 20 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hugo Winners: Volume 4 ==<br />
<br />
Hello. A new editor wishes to update the starting page number of the first story, ''Home Is the Hangman'' by Zelazny, of the anthology that you have PV'd, from 1. to 5. - see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4633663 this submission]. Can you confirm this is actually correct? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:59, 28 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Hello, new editor here. I apologize for overlooking any steps I should have taken. In my first edition copy, the first story appears to start on page 5. While there is no page number on this particular page, the preceding two pages (containing the 2-page introduction by Asimov) are consecutively numbered as 3 and 4. Similarly, the pages following the title page of ''Home Is the Hangman'' are consecutively numbered as 6, 7, 8,... Does this match your copy? Thanks! [[User:Riselka|Riselka]] 11:39, 30 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::In the meantime, I went ahead and accepted Riselka's edit. Nevertheless, do let us know if there should be an issue regardless. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:11, 30 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== War of the Worlds: The Resurrection • novelization ==<br />
<br />
: ''posted to Don Erikson; Nihonjoe; SFJuggler''<br />
Hi, You are one verifier of our only publication P{{p|53757}}. I submitted re-classification from series '''The War of the Worlds''' to series '''War of the Worlds Sequels''', based on the title note "A continuation of Wells' series, based on the TV series from the 1980s or 1990s."<br />
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On second thought I notify the active verifiers (3). If it is not a sequel, then I suggest the note needs amendment and H. G. Wells should be booked as a co-author. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:21, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Already changed so no input needed.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:01, 2 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fiction from China ==<br />
<br />
Hello. As one of the primary verifiers of {{P|29108}}, I wanted to check-in with you about a missing short story, "Death Ray on a Coral Island" by Tong Enzheng (English translation of {{T|2394091}}), that should begin on page 97. Does this match your copy? Thanks! [[User:Riselka|Riselka]] 14:19, 2 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Unfortunately, this book has gone back into storage so I am unable to get to it at the moment to check. I'll put it on the "to do" list.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 15:46, 2 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Jules Verne translations ==<br />
<br />
I have been documenting the various translations of Jules Verne's works and trying to identify a piece of text from each translation so editors can position their publications under the correct title record. You are on record as a primary verifier for one or more publications for which I am looking for text or which are placed under a generic translation title. I would be grateful if you could assist in this by checking your copies, as listed below, and providing the initial text for missing translations or an indication of the translation for those unspecified. These are listed on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Jules_Verne_Translations Jules Verne Translations] wiki. Thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:08, 14 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
*Unspecified translation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57846 In the Year 2889] (title) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35287 The Arbor House Treasury of Science Fiction Masterpieces] (publication)<br />
:This book has gone back into storage and is not available for quick retrieval at the moment. I will put it on the "to do" list.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 15:49, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I've been at this for 2 years and am at the stage of ticking boxes to cover off what I can. If it takes more than a month or two, please try to ping my Talk page as a reminder. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:10, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Will do. I admire your persistence.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:07, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Croquet Player ==<br />
<br />
Hi, You verified our record of a February 1937 US edition P{{p|417007}}. Is that date stated in the book?<br> Is yours a dustjacket image? <br />
<br />
You don't say whether the front illustration is clearly by an artist different from the credited interior illustrator Clifford Lines. What do you think of that, and also the other cover illustrations we show: P{{p|304122}}, P{{p|486889}}. (We don't report from usual sources whether the former UK edition is illustrated inside. I will check newspaper coverage.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:25, 21 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:I'm thinking it's a different person. The signature on the front could be "stubbs" or "suggs" or something like that but I've never been able to pin it down.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:32, 23 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Legal Name format reminder ==<br />
<br />
Just a friendly reminder that Legal Names should always be in "Last, First Middle(s)" format. I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?263804 here] after your update :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:47, 24 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:D'oh! Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:33, 24 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Finder ==<br />
<br />
Hello. As you've PV'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?705871 this pub], I wanted to ask you if you would mind I changed the page numbering for the map from bp to [1], and correspondingly changed the pagination to [2]+391 (as that is the more common approach, and signifies the map then appear on the first page of the two unnumbered pages preceding page 1). And I wanted to add following to the notes: 'Novel ends on p.388. Acknowlegments on pp.[389] through 391, signed --Suzanne [over] NOVEMBER, 2018'? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:38, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Go for it. While you're in there could you change "Amazon.com puts the publication date at 2019-04-02." to "Catalog of Copyright Number TX0008767429 puts the publication date at 2019-04-02."? The Copyright office has finally registered the copyright on this.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:21, 30 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Done! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:28, 31 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:04, 31 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hugo Movie Companion: A Behind the Scenes Look at How a Beloved Book Became a Major Motion Picture ==<br />
<br />
Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4672876 this book] only about the making of the movie? If so, I am not sure it falls under out Non-fiction eligibility (as clarified in the last few weeks):<br />
* Published non-fiction works about speculative fiction which can be plausibly linked to published (as defined above) speculative fiction. This rule allows the inclusion of secondary bibliographies, i.e. bibliographies of bibliographies, which are two steps removed from published speculative fiction. It also allows the inclusion of non-fiction works about shared cross-media universes like "Doctor Who" and "Star Wars", but only as long as there is a plausible connection to the universe's published component. Thus a book about "Star Trek physics" can be included (because it applies to all types of media including novels) while a book about Star Trek movie outtakes and bloopers should be excluded. <br />
If I am reading correctly what the book is about, it will fall under the last category so ineligible. The second way to include it will be as a non-genre If Brian Selznick is considered above treshold - which will open the door for every book he ever did. <br />
What do you think? I will also seek other opinions but thought I start here. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:19, 6 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Probably falls into the second category even with the essays about automatons and Georges Méliès (A Trip to the Moon, etc.).[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:19, 6 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Is there any discussion on the technology inside of the novel and so on? Or is it strictly a movie book? The last two notes does make it sound like it may have enough non movie stuff to be borderline enough to get it in. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:14, 6 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::The essays about automatons and Georges Méliès still circle back to their connection with the film. I don't think it meets the threshold.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:44, 6 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: I am trying to find a reason to let it in - as you did the work on adding it (I hate losing work done by editors) and it is from the author of the novel, it is enough in the grey area to be good to have if we can find that plausible connection (and document it so someone does not delete it next week for being non-genre) :) Even if it circles back to the film, if the novels' ideas and how they are getting implemented is covered, I will approve. As you are the only one that had seen the book, up to you. If it is indeed about the movie only, I will reject. You may also check [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Second_set_of_eyes_on_eligibility_for_a_non-fiction_submission this] for some more thoughts. At this point I am inclined to reject based on what you are saying :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:00, 6 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::It IS by the author of the original work but other than that it's still gray area. I've had other entries reject and if it is rejected I'm okay with that. The work is not lost as I've also entered it into Open Library (OL24853605M).[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:28, 6 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Based on what you said and based on what I can find, I am going to reject it as not "plausibly" connected. These days we have a "unreject" so the decision can be revised if further discussion proves that it is indeed needed in the DB. Sorry :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:29, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::::No worries.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:14, 20 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== War in 2080 ==<br />
<br />
Added cover art credit for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?309951 this] from Book Club Associates edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 06:45, 7 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. Since I noted in the notes that the cover art was credited I'm not sure why I didn't put it in the listing. Oversight, I guess.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:13, 20 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Added content ... ==<br />
<br />
... to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?344732 Machine Man]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:41, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Cool.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:17, 20 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== "Farmhand" ==<br />
<br />
I changed a review in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?758858 The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fition, January-February 2020] that you verified from a review to an essay, since the pub is a comic book and the artist is rightly not in the data base. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:18, 16 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Noted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:18, 20 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, January/February 2020 ==<br />
<br />
In Your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?758858 magazine] there is a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2738215 Review of the comic book "Farmhand"]. But there are at least two volumes [https://www.amazon.com/Farmhand-1-Rob-Guillory/dp/1534309853 #1] and [https://www.amazon.com/Farmhand-Thorne-Flesh-Rob-Guillory/dp/153431332X #2]. What do You think is the one of the review? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 14:18, 18 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:The review is a general overview of the Farmhand universe/storyline. He specifically mentions Volume 2 in the third paragraph as currently being out (including publisher and price details).[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:23, 20 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: JLaTondre rejected the submitted associated publication as an ineligible work (comic) and Biomassbob changed the review into an essay. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 08:07, 21 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Okay.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:28, 4 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Tobias Buckell: Many Hands Lift ==<br />
<br />
For {{T|2746792|Tobias Buckell: Many Hands Lift}}, can you please confirm the author interviewed himself? While quite possible, it is unusual so want to make sure it's not a database error. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:51, 20 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:It's listed as an interview in the TOC but Buckell is the only person listed. The "interview" ends on page 65 and is by-lined as by Tobias S. Buckell. If you look at some of the earlier Locus listings you'll see that this is not uncommon, an author "interviewing" themselves. Myself, I would list it as an article but Locus lists them as "interviews".[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:31, 1 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I added a title note to avoid future questions. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:07, 1 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Works for me.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 11:21, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A George Turner essay/review ==<br />
<br />
May I draw your attention to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#SF_Commentary.2C_.2376 this]? Your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?243049 Philip K. Dick: Electric Shepherd] has an essay by Turner, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?794065 Philip K. Dick by 1975: Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said], which has been varianted by someone as a review by Turner of the same book in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399268 SF Commentary #76]. In my verified SFC76 it appears as a review (ie. "Reviewed: Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said by Philip K. Dick") and begins "One of the disadvantages of writing reviews...". Can you check if the essay in your pub is indeed the same, and if so would you prefer it listed as an essay or review? I'm fine either way. Cheers. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 16:09, 22 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:This one has gone into deep storage so it won't be easy to get it back right now. But since "Philip K. Dick: Electric Shepherd" is a "Best of..." collection and probably contains no new material I suspect that it just a direct reprint from Commentary #76 and is most likely a review.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:27, 1 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::I'm currently verifying my copy of "Philip K. Dick: Electric Shepherd". I already varianted a number of the essays to their original appearance in SF Commentary. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?794065 Philip K. Dick by 1975: Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said] is indeed the same as the review in SF Commentary #76 (at least it starts with the same words). In his editor's note Bruce Gillespie states "''George Turner sums up what he sees as the direction of Dick's career by writing a long review of this book. This article is scheduled to appear in SF Commentary 44''". Apparently it had to wait for #76 to be printed. I will change it to a review. I will also add the essay starting on page 49 as "Introduction (The Android and the Human)", that appeared in SF Commentary 31 under the title "Letter to Bruce Gillespie (31 October 1972)" and some notes. Please check my changes when you find your copy again. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:31, 20 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::Looks good, Willem. Still no access to my copy, but as I said above I'm fine with it being a Review. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 08:38, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Red Dwarf VIII ==<br />
<br />
I accepted {{P|784438|Red Dwarf VIII}}, but I noticed that page 60 and 61 are both "Introduction: Back in the Red-Part Three". Should that second one be just "Back in the Red-Part Three"? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:03, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Yep. I'll fix it when I upload the cover.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:32, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Two from Yasser Bhajatt ==<br />
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Hi Jim, the author and publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2510028 Yaq̈teenya: The Old World] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1634885 H W J N], a new editor here as Ybahjatt, wishes to change the publisher field to "Yatakhayaloon" in these pubs, saying the League of Arabic Scifiers is just a tagline and not the name of the publisher. I've checked on Amazon Look Inside and Yatakhayaloon is present in both publications. As PV is this OK by you? Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 17:04, 29 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Most definitely! Don't know how I missed that.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 11:53, 21 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Simak's 'Over the River and Through the Woods' ==<br />
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Hi. Re your verified http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25475, is it bound in brown leather? Mine is leather-bound, but with no limitation page or Poul Anderson signature. Trying figure out if it's the standard trade edition, or something else. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:27, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:My copy is in deep storage at the moment so I cannot confirm but I don't remember anything special about the binding (that it was leather or anything). I'll put it on the list to check.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 11:59, 21 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The January Dancer ==<br />
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Is the interior artwork credit in {{P|259956|The January Dancer}} only the maps as implied by the pub note? If so, then it we would add "(map)" to the title. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:22, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Fix submitted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 11:56, 21 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Cold Storage ==<br />
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Hello Jim, concerning your submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4774219 Cold Storage], I wanted to confer with other moderators that cover art should not have two records if two artists contributed. Rather, it requires only one COVERART record with two artists. In addition, I standardized the INTERIORART record to just read "Cold Storage", if you want to emphasize that it's on the title page, you can say so in the Notes. Also, I've added page numbers - assuming the title page is the one page you added to the page count, and that the novel starts on p.1. Let me know if that would be incorrect. Have a look. And apologies for the delay - I totally lost sight of your submission that I still had on hold. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:32, 16 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:The extra page is not the title page but a page after the end of the novel with some content (acknowledgments, I believe). As for the two different artists for the cover...they each provided a discrete photographic element that the cover designer blended to make the cover. Since they did not work together I don't believe that you can really group them as a single artist and since ISFDB lets you add additional artists I assumed that this was the accepted way to indicate that the cover was the work of more than one person. I'll be interested to see the final decision. Thanks for getting back to me.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:33, 16 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: By the way, this one needs a fix too as outlined by Ron below :) Do remove the [1] from the number of pages, and add a note explaining that the Acknowledgements are on the unnumbered page [309]. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:08, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== All Rights Reserved ==<br />
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I approved your edit to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?625158 All Rights Reserved]''. However, I edited it afterword to remove the notation of unnumbered pages at the end of the book. We only make this notation when there is content on those pages that has been indexed. I see in your notes that acknowledgements appear on those pages, which is content we generally don't index. Thus there is no need to note the pages in the page count. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:31, 17 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Okay.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:22, 17 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Wyndham's Wanderers of Time ==<br />
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Could I get you to check the title page of John Wyndham's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?377383 Wanderers of Time]''. I've been fixing the Coronet printings of this title where the author is credited as "John Wyndham writing as John Beynon Harris". I suspect that the title page for the Severn House is credited the same, but the Worldcat record suggests that it may be "John Wyndham writing as J.B. Harris" or even simply "John Wyndham". I've been able to verify the other printings are "writing as John Beynon Harris". I'll leave yours as simply "John Wyndham" unless you tell me otherwise. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:14, 18 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:I'll put it on the list of things to check but it may be a while as it's in deep storage at the moment.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:41, 18 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Locke - Science Fiction First Editions ==<br />
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Found a listing on Abe for a hardcover edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283652 this]. Listing description text states: Black cloth, gilt title spine. One of 49 copies signed by the author, of a total edition of 56 copies. See [https://tinyurl.com/yyc63qdb listing]. Image shows yellow dustwrapper. Any idea where the note that "Seven hardcover copies bound in black buckram with a yellow dustjacket were also produced" came from ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:35, 18 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:The Science-Fantasy Publishers by Chalker & Owings (Electronic Edition, 1999), page 786. I have submitted an updated entry and cloned it twice to make new entries for the different editions. They will show up as soon as the updated entries are accepted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:53, 18 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Edit. I posted the same query to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace RTrace] he's confirmed the situation regarding the 7 hardback copies (from Chalker & Owings same saource as you) but states there were another 49 hardback copies issued as well. Perhaps liase with him regarding how bestto deal with it. Also you removed the ISFDB cover art and replaced it with an Amazon one. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:44, 19 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::The other 49 are accounted for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?802275 here]. As for replacing the ISFDB cover art...not sure how that happened as I don't remember touching the art in any way. If you can revert it, great. If not, I can upload a new copy.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:07, 19 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::Looks. good. It's fine I re-uploaded the scan from my copy - albeit a very grubby copy which somewone seems to have done some editing on. No compliants mind. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 09:16, 20 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::There's still a problem with the 49 copies. It carried the price & format from the tpb. I've submitted a fix. I think we're good now.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:36, 20 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Classic Science Fiction Anthology, #1 ==<br />
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A few small changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?802916 this one] - missing number of the issue and a small capitalization change (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4806136 here]). One question -- are Andre Alice North (Andre Norton) and François-Marie Arouet (Voltaire) credited exactly like that at the title pages of their stories? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:08, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:As listed in the notes ""Micromegas" credited to "François-Marie Arouet (Voltaire)" in TOC and "Voltaire" in magazine.<br />
"Learning Theory" credited to "James McConnell" in TOC and "James V. McConnell" in magazine.<br />
"All Cats Are Gray" credited to "Andre Alice North (Andre Norton)" in TOC and "Andre Alice North" in magazine.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:44, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Apparently I needed more coffee - read the note, forgot about it when posting here. Then these will need updates - we credit based on the title page of the story - so Voltaire, James V. McConnell and Andre Alice North if I understand you correctly. Then we can variant. Would you like to update them? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:53, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Okay. I've submitted a cover and slight correction already. When that's approved I'll go in and update again.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:58, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Approved :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:01, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Zombies and Calculus ==<br />
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Out of curiosity, you state in the notes: ''Pages [226]-227 are an Index.'' What's on p.228 of {{p|464856 |Zombies and Calculus}} then? Also, please do not hesitate to primary verify books that you have. You do not have to wait for edits to be approved. For existing pub records, you can do that straigt away - this will let approving moderators know that you have the book at hand. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:04, 28 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:228 is also part of the index. I'll make the change.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 04:57, 29 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Bleiler 78 Verifications ==<br />
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I noticed that you have Bleiler78 verifications of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?407468 House of Cards]'' and ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?425107 http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?425107]'' published in 1978 and 1977 respectively. Since Bleiler78 only covers publications through 1948, I suspect that you may have intended to mark OCLC/Worlcat for one or both of these. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:41, 8 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Whoops! Both fixed.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:17, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Among the Pictures Are These: ==<br />
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Your verified {{P|724491|Visions from Brichester}} contains "Among the Pictures Are These:" (page 69). Is the ending colon actually in the book or is that a database typo? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:02, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:That's got to be a database typo. The book has been put into storage but I do not remember any title that odd while entering it.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:56, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Everything's Eventual: 14 Dark Tales ==<br />
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Gonna add a note about King's having a comment re each story, if you have no objection. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 03:55, 23 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:No objections whatsoever.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:53, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== How Kank Thad Returned to Blur-Esh ==<br />
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Would you please check your verified {{P|438874|The House of Cthulhu and Other Tales of the Primal Land}} and see if the title of the story on page 23 is "...Blur-Esh" (as currently listed) or "...Bhur-Esh" (as {{T|81149|originally published}})? The two ebook versions of ''The House of Cthulhu'' use "...Bhur-Esh" per the Amazon Look Inside so this seems like a database typo vs. an alternate title. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:04, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Database typo introduced by incorrectly reading the title. It can be corrected.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:21, 8 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Island ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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I cleaned up the title in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?620159 this one] - Minecraft as the series is up in the series field so per current policy, we use the short name. Feel free to add a note to the notes on exact spelling/usage on the title page and let me know if you have any concerns. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:01, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:I'm fine with that.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 11:43, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Self-published books ==<br />
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For Self-published books we use the name of the author as a publisher and not "self-published" :) I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819635 here]. Thanks for adding the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:39, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Noted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:40, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Harlan McGhan ==<br />
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In my experience people usually have a full name as a second name in their legal names, not just an initial. Where is the legal name [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4893548 here] coming from? If you are trying to indicate that this is also Harlan P. McGhan (you just added a book by him, right?), it should be either a note or if you are sure connect them. Unless you have a source for this being the legal name? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Should just be a variation of his name.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 21:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Then let's reject the change for the legal name and make the variants and pseudonym. Let me know if you want me to do it? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:01, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Go for it![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 21:08, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: All [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?322235 done]. Let me know if something looks askew (or just fix it) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:22, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::Perfect![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:45, 24 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== New Trek Programme Guide ==<br />
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Just fished out my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?512324 this]. My copy has "Programme" on cover, spine, back cover and title page and priced at £5.99; US$5.95; A$14.95. I'm going to amend the notes and also upload a scan from my (transient) copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:54, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Bruce Boston ==<br />
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It's me, the guy who mentioned the Brian Lumley misspelling last month which thankfully was fixed, back with another note now that I've learned how to speak directly to people instead of going through others. The Nightmare Collector, "http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44689", says it was published by Two AM Publications, but all other works by this publisher are under 2 AM Publications on ISFDB. Does it say Two in your copy (if you have one) or should it be with all the others under 2? --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:45, 27 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:I have it cataloged in my collection as "2 AM Publications" as that's what was on the book itself.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:08, 27 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Piers Anthony's Visual Guide to Xanth ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4900064 this submission]: You are editing a record that states it is the third printing per number line, but you are adding a number line that indicates you have the first printing. It would seem you should be editing {{P|257640|this record}} instead. Am I missing something? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:44, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:I put the notes there as my copy has the same SFBC number as the one indicated as the third. The 15888 number is still an unknown quantity. I can change it to the 58881 if that's what's proper. Let me know.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 09:47, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::You should instead edit the first printing since that is what you have. The third printing pub notes state <i>"15888" on the back cover. Locus1 reports the SFBC number as "15881". It's unknown if that's in error or for another printing.</i> The current information for the first printing is from Locus1. Since yours also has 15888, it is most likely that Locus made an error. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:13, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Original edited and submitted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:47, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Warrior ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53868 this] is of course Bob Layzell. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1857019 here]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:07, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:24, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Metcalf's The Index of Science Fiction Magazines ==<br />
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I was wondering if you could check whether Norm Metcalf's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?252788 The Index of Science Fiction Magazines: 1951-1965]'' has 9 Roman numbered pages at the start of the book. Nearly all of the Worldcat records have ix+249 and I suppose they could all refer to the hardcover edition that we have with that page count. I'm actually not certain whether there was a hardcover edition published by Stark, though SFE3 notes one. In any case, thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:07, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:I have removed my verification of this as I seem to have hit the wrong title. The one I have is "The MIT Science Fiction Society's Index to the S-F Magazines, 1951-1965" by Erwin S. Strauss.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:27, 11 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Cover artist on I Am Radar: Will Stahle or Staehle? ==<br />
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Hi, you're a PV on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?511968 this pub], which has cover credited to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?144694 "Will Stahle"], one of two credits that author/artist has.<br />
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However, that cover is listed [http://unusualco.com/portfolio/i-am-radar/ on the portfolio site] of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?109330 Will Staehle (with an extra e in the surname)]. Any thoughts on whether the "Stahle" is a transcription typo, or maybe a difference in ASCIIfying ä-with-an-umlaut, or if the "wrong" artist should be marked as a variant of the "correct" one?<br />
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(The other cover attributed to this artist does have a PV, but they haven't been active for a couple of years.)<br />
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Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 16:42, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Transcription error. Correction submitted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:18, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks. I've submitted an alternate/variant name request for the "Stahle" record, as whilst I see that prior books in the series of their other recorded cover are credited to "Staehle" - making me pretty certain they are one-and-the-same - I don't know whether the other PVed work genuinely has a miscredit, or if it was another transcription typo. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 14:08, 14 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::I suspect that most of them are typos.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:41, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Remembrance of the Daleks - needs title merge? ==<br />
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Hi, I was just looking at Ben Aaronovitch's bibliography page re. his Rivers of London series, and happened to notice a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2834638 Remembrance of the Daleks] novel that wasn't part of a Doctor Who series. Looking more closely, it looks like it's from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?823903 an omnibus you PVed], but it's presumably the same content as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?10724 the standalone pubs]?<br />
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I have a very vague recollection that there might have been Dr Who TV stories that had more than one novelization - I'm pretty sure there were some that had fan novelizations that were followed much later by official ones - so I certainly wouldn't presume they are one-and-the-same, but if they are different, it might be worth explicitly flagging it up in a pub or title note?<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 08:42, 19 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:They're the same. They even have the old copyright dates on the copyright page. It needs a title merge.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:52, 21 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Novels merged. Jim, do you know if the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2834637 Introduction] is the same as the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1573395 2013] version? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:49, 27 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::I suspect that it is but I don't have access to the original to compare it.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 21:14, 27 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Kindle Sample to the rescue - the introduction is included in full on the 2013 one. :) The one in 2013 starts with "When Doctor Who script editor" and is dated August 2012. How does yours look like? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:22, 27 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::That sounds like it's the same.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:24, 28 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== At the Mountains of Murkiness and Other Parodies ==<br />
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Reginald has a note for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3286 At the Mountains of Murkiness and Other Parodies]'' that it was published anonymously. Could you check the title page of your copy and see if Locke is identified as the editor? If not, we should probably change it to "uncredited" and make it a variant under Locke's name. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:27, 23 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:He is uncredited.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:20, 27 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for checking. I've edited the publication to reflect that it's uncredited and subsequently made it a variant back to Locke. Let me know if anything looks amiss. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:59, 27 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::I think we're good![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:56, 27 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== IV or VI? ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507689]; I corrected title, moderator wouldn't accept it, I provided eBay picture of title page with VI on it and said it was novelization of the 1986 movie of the same name, she still wouldn't accept it, so can you check your copy and confirm you don't have some rare variant with IV on title page and it actually says VI so record can be fixed? --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:16, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:I've submitted corrections. We'll see how that goes.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 04:05, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Saga of Recluse ==<br />
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You are a pv of several books in the series. Please look at some changes I have proposed [[User talk:Scifibones #Saga of Recluse maps consolidation|Saga of Recluse maps consolidation]]<br />
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== Index to Unknown ==<br />
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I just added Worldcat and Reginald numbers to your verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249087 An Index to Unknown and Unknown Worlds by Author and by Title]''. Both those sources identify Hoffman as the author, but also note that the book was published anonymously. Could you double check whether Hoffman is actually credited in the book? If not, we should probably change the credits to "uncredited" and then variant them to Hoffman. If he is credited, then I can add a note explaining the discrepancy with the secondary sources. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:28, 3 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:That's gone into storage since I don't use it much anymore (that info is more readily available here on ISFDB). I don't think it's in too deep, though so I'll have a look for it.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:32, 3 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Epoch, ed. Roger Elwood and Robert Silverberg ==<br />
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Hi, you were PV1 on the first edition of this 1975 original anthology. I just got a copy and found almost all of the page numbers listed didn't match my copy (only the intro & the first story were the same). The record was altered. Would you take a look at it and see what you think? Thanks. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 19:44, 4 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Here's what I had when I copied it right afterwards:<br />
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vii • Introduction (Epoch) • essay by Roger Elwood and Robert Silverberg<br />
1 • ARM • [Gil Hamilton] • novella by Larry Niven<br />
57 • Angel of Truth • novelette by Gordon Eklund<br />
79 • Mazes • short story by Ursula K. Le Guin<br />
85 • For All Poor Folks at Picketwire • short story by R. A. Lafferty<br />
103 • Growing Up in Edge City • short story by Frederik Pohl<br />
115 • Durance • short story by Ward Moore<br />
129 • The Ghost of a Model T • novelette by Clifford D. Simak<br />
143 • Planet Story • short story by Kate Wilhelm<br />
157 • Graduation Day • short story by W. Macfarlane<br />
171 • Timetipping • short story by Jack Dann<br />
183 • Encounter with a Carnivore • short story by Joseph Green<br />
199 • Lady Sunshine and the Magoon of Beatus • novella by Alexei Panshin and Cory Panshin<br />
245 • "... For a Single Yesterday" • novelette by George R. R. Martin<br />
269 • Bloodstream • short story by Lou Fisher<br />
283 • Existence • short story by Joanna Russ<br />
293 • Interface • novella by A. A. Attanasio<br />
341 • Blooded on Arachne • [Glaktik Komm] • novelette by Michael Bishop<br />
365 • Leviticus: In the Ark • short story by Barry N. Malzberg<br />
379 • Cambridge, 1:58 A.M. • short story by Gregory Benford<br />
405 • Run from the Fire • novelette by Harry Harrison<br />
437 • Waiting for the Universe to Begin • [The Aperture Moment • 1] • short story by Brian W. Aldiss<br />
447 • But Without Orifices • [The Aperture Moment • 2] • short story by Brian W. Aldiss<br />
455 • Aimez-Vous Holman Hunt? • [The Aperture Moment • 3] • short story by Brian W. Aldiss<br />
463 • Nightbeat • short story by Neal Barrett, Jr.<br />
469 • Uneasy Chrysalids, Our Memories • short story by John Shirley<br />
489 • The Dogtown Tourist Agency • [Miro Hetzel • 1] • novella by Jack Vance<br />
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Does this match yours?[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 20:39, 4 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: No, your pages do not match mine. I have reverified all info from my copy, which appears to be a first edition, although it is not stated on the copyright page. This is what the copyright page does state: Copyright 1975 by Robert Silverberg and Roger Elwood. / All rights reserved. This book, or parts thereof, may not be reproduced in any form without permission in writing from the publisher. Published simultaneously in Canada by Longman Canada Limited, Toronto. / SBN 399-11460-2 / Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 75-29511 / Printed in the United States of America (caps & lines not reproduced exactly here). The front flap has the first edition's price ($10.95) & month of publication (7511). This is not a book club edition, but a publisher's edition. Unless it was altered between printings without being noted, I am not sure why there is a discrepancy between the page numbers of your copy & mine. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 07:54, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I checked the scan of the copyright page & table of contents you referred me to online & it appears to me to be the SFBC edition. The pages you listed correspond to the SFBC edition that appears here on ISFDB. The scan of the copyright page removes some data I noted on the copyright page of my edition, consistent with what the Doubleday book clubs removed from their editions in that period (e.g., no SBN, no LCCN number). If you have the dust cover of the your copy, does it list the price as $10.95 & publication date of 7511? SFBC would have removed that. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 08:09, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Series and chapbooks ==<br />
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When a story belongs to a series, you need to add the story to the series, not the chapbook (this is why it is greyed out in the chapbooks) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:39, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Yeah, I knew that. I was just braindead yesterday (it was the weekend). ;) 14:46, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Magi'i of Cyador and Scion of Cyador ==<br />
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Would you mind checking [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21083 Magi'i of Cyador] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29236 Scion of Cyador] and let me know if they are first printings? If they are, I would like to add a couple notes. If they are a later printing, I will add a pub record for the first printing. Thanks for your help, John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 07:23, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, they are first printings. I'm much more detailed and explicit in my notes nowadays but these were early on.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:47, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Jim, I rearranged some of the notes along with a few additions and one correction. If you are not happy with anything, let me know and we can change it. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:12, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I don't see any problems.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:34, 7 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Child of Time ==<br />
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Just added one note and BL to {{p|6809|Child of Time}} [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 10:02, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 21:53, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Goblins of Labyrinth ==<br />
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I rejected your rename because as it turns out only the Holt Hardcover does not have "The" (see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mavmaramis#The_Goblins_of_Labyrinth this for the paperback]) - so it is not US vs British thing. Now - one wonders if the HC really missed the "The" or if this is an early cover (and the title page maybe had it?). In anyway - as it is one without and 3 with The, the one without should be split and varianted instead of the whole work losing the "The". When there are PVs on some versions, please talk to them in such cases - even if it appears to be an obvious US vs UK thing, sometimes things are weird and not that clear cut. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:36, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Okay. Was working from covers. Glad that it's cleared up now.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:30, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Covers are a good way to work but keep in mind two things:<br />
::* Cover reusing like here (two editions with the same link)<br />
::* Amazon covers from the /P/ subspace - these are based on ISBN so they change. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:23, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Furious Gulf ==<br />
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Very minor edit to {{p|14847|Furious Gulf}}, just added a note that there is a two page Afterword. Hope you're okay with that. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:41, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:If it makes it better/more complete then it's great.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:39, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sailing Bright Eternity ==<br />
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Just added a design credit to {{p|28746|Sailing Bright Eternity}}. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:06, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thank you![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:40, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Foundation's Fear ==<br />
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just adding jacket design credit and LCCN to {{p|14467|Foundation's Fear}} John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 15:32, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Also merged in the Afterword<br />
::Thank you![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:40, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== What do you prefer? ==<br />
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Jim, Couple of quick questions.<br />
# In light of the discussion on the rules and standards board regarding cover designers, it is triggering minors edits on most of the books I am verifying. What do you prefer?<ul><li>One post and I will keep adding links to that post? <li>I only notify you if something more substantial is being changed? Adding a title, changing something other than the notes, etc.? <li>Keep doing what I am doing?</ul><br />
# Thank you for indirectly pointing me to a valuable resource. I never considered using US copyright documents for dating and attribution. I saw one of your edits, was intrigued, now I use it myself. Have you found a similar method to access UK copyright? I have not.<br />
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Hit me up anytime, [[User talk:Scifibones|John aka Scifibones]] 09:09, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:John, 1 post and add is fine. I like to know what I missed so that I can add it to my personal collection database.<br />
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:In my current edits I'm trying to add in the editor, book designer and cover designer as well as the cover artist and any internal art credit.<br />
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:As for the UK copyrights...according to https://www.gov.uk/copyright "There isn’t a register of copyright works in the UK." There is a private service that you can pay to register works for a limited time (https://copyrightservice.co.uk/) but this is between the fee-paying client and the service and appears to be mainly for possible litigation purposes. It is not searchable that I can see. I've pretty much had to settle on Amazon UK for publication dates but they're a bit sketchy if you go back beyond about 2010.<br />
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:I'm trying to find something similar for Canada, Australia & other English-speaking countries.<br />
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:For the US, I use this page: https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First<br />
:For copyrights before 1978 I use this page and search individual years: https://books.google.com/googlebooks/copyrightsearch.html<br />
:Thanks for the updates and I hope some of this helps. I'm always open for new resources to check if you find any.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 10:47, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I have been using the same website for post 1977, good tip on google. Apparently, all UK materials are automatically granted intellectual property protection by their very creation. That must be why they don't have a specific document we can search. [[User talk:Scifibones|John ]] 12:36, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::That's true in most countries. You do not have to register a copyright. It's yours as soon as you create the work. Where registering comes in is when there's a dispute. If you've registered the copyright you have proof of the date from a third party. I think that swings more weight in a court case. For our purposes it's great since we have the date directly from the publisher. But if you've spent any time wandering around you'll see there are some publishers that are very lax registering. Tor comes to mind as they seem to drop the ball for a year or so and then remember to start up again. Rinse, repeat...<br />
::On the pre-1978 listings you have to remember to pad out the "A" numbers to 11 digits to make it consistent with the post-1977 numbers (if you look at the renewals you'll see that they list the old numbers padded out).[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:57, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Epoch ==<br />
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Seems like we may have two different editions [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?152061 here] - as the two PVs seem to have very different page numbers. I will point the other PV here so you two can figure out who has what... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:47, 19 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:See message about 8 above this one.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:25, 19 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:SFJuggler#Epoch.2C_ed._Roger_Elwood_and_Robert_Silverberg This one]. Apparently Mike did not see your note and this never got solved because I have somewhat of a contradicting set updates (one approved a few days ago, you restoring back). So let's figure this one out. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:45, 19 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I will defer to whoever can pull an actual copy first. Mine is in storage right now. The listing in the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:SFJuggler#Epoch.2C_ed._Roger_Elwood_and_Robert_Silverberg message above] is what was in the database when I PVd it. I haven't got a clue where the other page numbers come from. :)[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:12, 19 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Apparently from Mike's copy - he changed them on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4950568 2021-03-31]. Which tells me that we have two different books here or one of you got weird numbers somehow... Let's wait for him to come over so we all can get to the bottom of it. That cover looks very familiar - I may even have a copy somewhere as well. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:27, 19 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::I'll wait. The copy I got was from a J.K. Gill store in the late '70s. Definitely NOT a book club edition.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:20, 20 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hunger ==<br />
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Why does this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131564, give Robert as an alternate name? Fantlab's copy of The Hunger, fantlab.ru/edition151452, clearly shows it as Ronald, and this copy of the Intruder, picclick.com/The-Intruder-First-Edition-By-Charles-Beaumont-252241790498.html, does too. Also, there's much discussion in the note for The Hunger about how the date was verified as 1958-04-23, but date at top still says 1957. I may be wrong but I think someone erred. As you PV'd The Hunger I'll ask you, but moderator "Kolchak" who PV'd The Intruder hasn't been around since 2014. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:39, 21 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Robert? I don't know how that got there. I have Ronald in my personal database and that's the only one I know. As for the publication date...that's the date that the publisher declared as the date of publication when they registered the copyright with the US Copyright Office. It still says 1957 at the top because no one has changed it since the original unverified entry was made. I'll submit a correction when I get home...for the "Robert" also. Hope this answers your questions.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:20, 21 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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It does, cheers, mate; this issue is now dead, Jim. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:40, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Cool. The fixes are submitted but haven't been approved yet.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 09:55, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Minor edits to verified publications ==<br />
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Added jacket design credit, fixed a minor HTML typo [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25179 Orion and the Conqueror] John, [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:44, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Added jacket design credit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25177 Orion Among the Stars] John, [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:53, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:42, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Made some changes to the notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?649991 Origin]. The changes have to do with Cover Art credit. I am submitting an edit to remove the present Cover Art credit based on the new notes. I hope you will agree with my changes. [[User:Scifibones|<font color="blue">John <small>Scifibones</small>]] </font color> 10:47, 30 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Can't see what the changes are but I'll take a look when they're implemented.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:00, 1 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Saw the changes. Notes are good but just curious...why remove them from the cover artist field? Rosmi Duaso and Birute Vijeikiene are both legitimate, working photographers and so I would think they qualify for inclusion (but I've missed some of the finer points of include/not included before).[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:39, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::There is an extensive discussion of this very point [[Rules and standards discussions #When is a cover designer the cover artist ?| Here]]. If you disagree with my position, you can submit an edit to restore it. This discussion is why one of the moderators asked me to include jacket design credit in all the pubs I verify.[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]]11:49, 10 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Added jacket design credit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?533090 Gatefather] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:42, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:39, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Jim, While verifying [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?292694 Chanur's Venture] I noticed you credited the map as "Chanur's Venture" interior artwork David Cherry (as variant to his full name David A Cherry). Question, should we rename this "Map of Compact Space" and variant it to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?563473 Map of Compact Space]? I know this is picky, but, your edits are so good you only leave me these minor items to leave my fingerprints on. I also added -- signed "Victoria ©84" on back -- to your cover art credit. Thoughts? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:16, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I went ahead and submitted this merge and edit. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:53, 17 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I added several notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18263 Inheritor]. I am also proposing to merge the map. Please take a look and leave your comments. [[User Talk:Scifibones #Foreigner Map Consolidation|Foreigner Map Consolidation]]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]]15:58, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I added a number of notes and ext ID's to one of your early edits, also changed to HTML [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39351 The Experiment]. Couldn't decide if we should add a cover credit. I was thinking it should be Brett Simms, what do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:20, 24 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Looks good.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:34, 26 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Changed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1680878 this title] from 'Down With Virtue!' to 'Down with Virtue!' contained in your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436547 Still More Lecherous Limericks] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:45, 11 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Terminator 2 ==<br />
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I changed title to Judgment Day in this after seeing the archive.org copy, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48430; my edit's on hold while I check with you to make sure it's spelled without the extra "e" in your copy, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:35, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Just a typo on my part. You're correct.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:25, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Plexis ==<br />
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What is in the ToC really doesn't matter. What you should do is say something in the notes to the effect that the principle author added short pieces between the stories written by others to connect these separate stories into a single narrative. All those little pieces really don't merit being listed in the contents. The author may want to emphasize them to boost her own ego, but they really mask the character of the pub, which is a series of related shortfiction by a number of different authors. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:15, 28 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I'll re-key a "toned-down" version of the entry this weekend.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 09:55, 29 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Ballard's Love & Napalm ==<br />
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When you have a chance could you check the title page of J. G. Ballard's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20838 Love & Napalm: Export U.S.A.]''? I see that our title matches the cover title, and agrees with Contento1. However, all of the other secondary sources have the title as "Love and Napalm: Export U.S.A." so I'm suspicious that we don't the correct title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:35, 12 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I'll check it when I can find it. It's in storage at the moment.21:34, 22 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Psychology of Time Travel ==<br />
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You verified a copy of <i>The Psychology of Time Travel</i>, 1st US edition P{{p|697547}}. Concerning item 9, "Copyright page lists the cover designer as still to come." On that page I see "Cover design by TK", which I suppose to be someone's initials. Is that an abbreviation?<br />
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I submit change of item 10 wording and new, penultimate item 11 that covers the two-page gap 337-38. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:01, 20 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:It probably IS someone's initials. I'm so used to see TK used in proofs and other stuff that I blindly read what I expected to be there. Good catch.21:36, 22 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Ron ? ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2482880; I think it's Ron HAYDOCK. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:18, 10 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Yep. Typo. Thanks for the catch. I'll submit a fix.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:07, 16 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Hallucination Orbit ==<br />
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In your PV'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16284 Hallucination Orbit], the introduction is qualified by the title, but the Notes are not. They are qualified in the translation, so I was wondering if there any particular reason? (I'm cleaning up Asimov's non-fiction and ran across this oddity) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:18, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:No known reason. Go ahead and clean it up. Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:11, 16 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Feghoot LXIX ==<br />
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Hi SFJuggler<br />
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While importing Feghoots from your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37411 copy] of ''The Compleat Feghoot'', I noticed that Feghoot LXIX appears to be a limerick and I think we should probably change it from a story to a poem. I'm going to check with other active verifier. I see you haven't checked in for about a month, so I'll probably go ahead and change this if the other verifier agrees. If you see this later, and disagree, we can revisit the question. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:56, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Go ahead and fix it. I haven't checked in due to a dead computer and a series of bad replacement parts. I'm back now. No complaints about changing it. Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:12, 16 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover Art by uncredited ==<br />
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Just a reminder that when the cover art cannot be assigned to an artist, we leave the field empty and do not use uncredited as with all other types. I pulled it out from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?752078 here]. I also fixed the title record - you added the author to the publication but not to the title record - once created they both need to be updated :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:20, 1 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. Hangover from my own personal database where there is "uncredited" in the field.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:48, 11 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Ready Player One ==<br />
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Fixed the date for the Locus issue in your notes [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?355035 here]. The September 2012 statement in the existing note was for when our record was added (dating the time we pulled information from Amazon basically), not when the Locus issue was from. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:56, 1 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thank you![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 21:50, 1 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, September/October 2019 ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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For F&SF September/October 2019, you are the original PV. See http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?738088 <br />
I see a title " Films: Love Death + Some Regression", an essay noted as by "Karen Lowachee".<br />
I deeply suspect the author name is a typo, and the author should be "Karin Lowachee". The Amazon kindle preview notes "Karin Lowachee".<br />
"Karen Lowachee" has no other titles in ISFDB, but "Karin Lowachee" does, and they appear in F&SF also, of a similar type.<br />
If this is OK with you, I'm going to submit a correction here. I'll review my notes, but I think this kind of correction where there is really one author and not two requires the use of MakeVariant.<br />
Thanks for entering this into the DB.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:19, 19 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:You're correct. Muscle memory during typing, maybe? Thanks for the correction.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 15:07, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Neither Man Nor Dog ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?361030; Entered remaining #'s using search on Google Books; curious where you entered your partial #'s from. Was it an actual copy? I only found 1 copy on eBay, and the seller photographed the contents page badly. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:35, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:I have an actual copy. Not in great shape but the only one I could find. Not sure why I only entered partial.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 20:43, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Kersh's ''Neither Man Nor Dog'' ==<br />
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Could you drop by [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Pounds_or_Dollars here] and maybe help out with some page numbering of this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?361030 verified pub]? Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 09:54, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Edit's been approved; I think I got all numbers in order correctly, but of course you can never be 100% sure if stories actually start on the same page as listed on contents page, so if you or anyone reading this can locate an actual print copy that issue can be addressed. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:12, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Magazine ASIN ==<br />
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I added the amazon ASIN to {{P|699145|The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction}} [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 17:22, 15 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 15:39, 22 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Expanded Universe ==<br />
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Would you mind looking at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12812 Expanded Universe] and double check the title page? Based on this [http://www.heinleinarchives.net/upload/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=404 Heinlein archives article] I suspect it actually has "Expanded Universe: The New Worlds of Robert A. Heinlein" on it just like the trade paperback edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291733 here] I just corrected. I have unmerged the tp edition and am getting ready to variant it but before I do, I would like to know about your hardcover edition title since it makes a difference on which name is the variant. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:03, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:You are correct. Subtitle on the hardcover is "The New Worlds of Robert A. Heinlein".[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 10:35, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks! Do you want to change it or shall I? Are you comfortable doing the necessary unmerge from title, title merge (of the replacement title), and variant steps or would you like me to handle them? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:54, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Go ahead.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 11:51, 31 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Spelling check: The Viscious World of Birds ==<br />
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Can you check the spelling [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2660935 here]. Both the author site and [https://www.sfsite.com/fsf/toc1911.htmthe SF site] have it as Vicious. Is it really Viscious in the magazine? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:18, 6 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Typo. It's "Vicious".[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:02, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Gahan Wilson Cards ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1454079; I added interior art by Gahan Wilson since the cards' covers are by him. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:50, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Makes total sense. ;) [[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 20:44, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Out There ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?591717; You were the last editor to work on this and left a note to mod saying "more later". That was in 2019; there's a note in the record itself saying contents incomplete and another saying to remove that when they are complete. So are they complete or did you really have more to add? --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:13, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:There is more to add but circumstances prevented me from getting back to it in a timely manner. As soon as I can re-locate the book I will complete it. The entries remaining to be entered are illustrations, the stories are complete.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:36, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Raiders Date ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279039; Is the date supposed to be 1981, not 1982? --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:31, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yep, you're right. Fix submitted. Good catch.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:00, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: The dates for cover and interior art, and the regular title for the book, still say 1982. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:31, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Jim Butcher / Proven Guilty==<br />
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I am PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?90361 Proven Guilty]. I will add Canadian price, some notes and the Author's Note to the Contents. No changes to the existing information. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 07:24, 22 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The A-Z Guide to Babylon 5 ==<br />
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Would you mind checking your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34954 The A-Z Guide to Babylon 5] and see if the last printed page number is 309 with the single following unnumbered page being Appendix VI? That would make the page count 310, not 320+[8]. I don't think the unnumbered photo pages should be in the count either. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:28, 22 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:The 320 is a typo on my part. It should be 310.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:30, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Jim Butcher / White Night==<br />
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I am PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?90371 White Night]. I will add the Author's Note to the Contents and an explanatory pub note. No changes to the existing information. I'm spotting a trend here (see my note re Proven Guitly above). I will add the Author's Note (where applicable) to all succeeding 1st ed hc's of the Dresden Files series. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 11:15, 23 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Works for me.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:30, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Link to: Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction==<br />
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As you have PVd a Jim Butcher Dresden Files collection, you might be interested in this topic: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Series_Number_of_Dresden_Files_short_fiction Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction]. If you have any comments, suggestions or objections then please post them to this topic on the Community Portal so that we keep the whole conversation in one place. Thank you. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 09:47, 4 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you. Will keep it in mind on any future edits.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:54, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, September/October 2019 ==<br />
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I changed the title 'Haldstead IV' to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2627431 Halstead IV] in your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?738088 The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, September/October 2019] while entering the 2020 Rhysling Anthology. The anthology Acknowledgments, SFPA website, and FictionMags Index all show 'Halstead IV'. Does this agree with your copy? If not, I'll change it back and variant the title. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:19, 5 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:"Haldstead" was typo. It should be "Halstead".[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:59, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Night People ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191773; it's Mary Anne Shea on back flap of Book Club Edition on Archive.org; can you check to see if yours really says Ann, and fix if not? --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:34, 23 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
;Not able to access this book right now (deep storage). I would go with the book club edition as they don't typically re-typeset these.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:10, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Preface for Fantastic Voyage ==<br />
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Hi! I just wonder if Klement's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2973286 preface] was already part of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204649 your verified]? Do you mind looking it up? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:47, 24 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Book is in deep storage so I can't access it right now. I don't recall seeing any preface in it when I read it but that was quite a while ago and the preface is very short so don't trust my memory.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:15, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== In the Grip of Terror ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18059; changed intro from xi to ix based on Archive copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:12, 27 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Not sure what copy you're looking at. [https://archive.org/details/conklin-groff-ed.-in-the-grip-of-terror-lenny-s-exciter/page/xii/mode/2up This copy] has xii for the intro which is what's in the record.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:07, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Same copy, and it says ix on contents page and does start on ix, as can be seen since this is a fully readable copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:31, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Sorry, we're talking about two different things. You're right, it does start on page ix. I was thinking page count of Roman numeral pages. I'm fuzzy this morning but now we're on the same page (pun intended).[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:37, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Richard Larson's Datafall ==<br />
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Hi Jim -<br />
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Could I get you to verify whether the title Datafall on page 230 in Richard Larson's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?683562 Tomorrow Factory]'' is in fact a poem. There's a note on the title record which states "Also published in poem form in Strange Horizons, November 2013". I wouldn't question it, but the use of the word "also" makes it sound like there is a prose version as well as a poem. I'm asking because I'm adding the French translation and my secondary sources list it as prose. If there are actually two different forms of this title, I think we should probably split them as two title records. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:48, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Apologies for intruding, but I have the ebook of Tomorrow Factory that I've been too lazy to PV. I have just pulled it up on my Kindle though, and I can confirm that it's prose, and (for the first few lines at least) covers similar conceptual material to [http://strangehorizons.com/poetry/datafall/ the poem at Strange Horizons], but is not the same text. As such, I'd agree with splitting them. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 19:32, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: EDIT: Here's [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=si_0DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT228&lpg=PT228&dq=%22the+flock+of+machines+dipped+and+slid%22&source=bl&ots=arLsu0QWEr&sig=ACfU3U0fLzxNWqFtGFwK3h0pQMhe1gucVA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx0sK8_cH3AhXObsAKHb24BAUQ6AF6BAgCEAM#v=onepage&q=%22the%20flock%20of%20machines%20dipped%20and%20slid%22&f=false a Google Books extract] of the end of the prose version, for reference. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 19:36, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: EDIT#2: The publication credits section at the end of Tomorrow Factory states: '"Datafall," original published in poem form in Strange Horizons, November 2013. Revised and published in its current form in Datafall: Collected Speculative Fiction (2012, self-published).' [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 19:46, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
::I've gone ahead and split the titles with cross references to each other in the notes. Please let me know if this looks OK. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:54, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Looks good to me. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 16:35, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Best of Frank Herbert ==<br />
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For your information: The ISBN for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35782 this] has been printed on the copyright page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35766 The Best of Clifford D. Simak] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:39, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Indy Artist ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18188; Struzan to Struzman per Archive copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:54, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Yep. Typo. Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:04, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cardography ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5334151 this submission]: Please discuss changes with [[User:Mavmaramis]]. Despite the user's banner on their talk page, they have been active lately. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:38, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Okay. Note made on their page.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:52, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dreaming Jewels ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?212329; FantLab ID and pub. series (Corwin) added. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:18, 7 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Psycho II ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26028; About your PV of the Warner edition; the later 1982 edition is on Archive.org and says Franco Accanero on copyright page, which is only on ISFDB for the 1984 Finnish edition. So if yours says differently some fixing might be necessary, merging, variants, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:45, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:My copy is in deep storage but I'll bet it says "Franco Accanero" just like the released copy you referenced. They would not have gone back to press just to fix a typo like that.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:45, 11 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Larry Niven / Niven's Laws ==<br />
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I am PVing and editing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233229 Niven's Laws]. I have come across some issues with the Contents.<br />
<br>A)<br />
<br>For several of the entries, the titles in the book's TOC on page vii differ from their titles at the start of the entry. The ISFDb records them correctly in the Contents but I will add a pub note about the following TOC discrepancies:<br />
<br>1 Introduction (omits ": Larry Niven by Jerry Pournelle")<br />
<br>9 Assimilating Our Culture, That's What They're Doing (omits exclamation mark)<br />
<br>24 Green Marauder (omits "The")<br />
<br>81 If Idi Amin Had Had the Bomb (omits ellipsis & see point B) below)<br />
<br>84 The Roentgen Standard (omits "Yet Another Modest Proposal:")<br />
<br>89 Why Men Fight Wars and What You Can Do About It (omits comma and exclamation mark)<br />
<br>B)<br />
<br>The entry on p81 is:<br />
<br>If Idi Amin Had Had the Bomb ... (on its title page)<br />
<br>If Idi Amin Had the Bomb ... (in ISFDb)<br />
<br>If Idi Amin Had Had the Bomb (in TOC - omits ellipsis)<br />
<br>I will change the title in ISFDb, add pub note, sort this out.<br />
<br>C)<br />
<br>The entry on p87 is a bit trickier. It's not really an essay titled "In Memoriam ...", it's a poem titled "In Memoriam: Howard Grote Littlemead" with an introduction titled "In Memoriam ..." I'm not entirely sure how to resolve this. I don't think the introduction merits a separate Contents entry so I'd prefer to change the title to "In Memoriam: Howard Grote Littlemead" (which is also how it appears in the TOC), change the Type to Poem and add a pub note about the Introduction. What do you suggest?<br />
<br>[[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 12:33, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I'm inclined to go with that and just make an indication in the general notes that there is an introduction since the poem is the real content here.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:48, 3 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Batteries Not Included ==<br />
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Hi SFJuggler<br />
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I've just added some secondary verifications to your verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?195449 Batteries Not Included]''. I see that Worldcat, The Library of Congress and Goodreads have the title as we do. However, Clute/Nicholls, Reginald and Locus1 all have the title as ''*Batteries Not Included''. The asterisk is definitely on the cover. Could you check the title page and see if we should adjust the title to include the asterisk? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:41, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Adventures in the Space Trade ==<br />
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I've just done some secondary verifications on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?336254 this publication]. It occurs to me that perhaps we should title this as we do for Ace Doubles, i.e. "Adventures in the Space Trade / A Richard Wilson Checklist". Do you have thoughts on whether we should make such a change? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:43, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Works for me.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:23, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Jurassic Park: The Gift Edition ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?389570; I added the day (24) to the date based on OL and added a link to a newspaper article from that date which has a blurb about the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:01, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. Heading over to read the article now.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:25, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Songs of the Etonic ==<br />
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I added the content title and set the juvenile flags for your verified publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?902912 Songs of the Etonic]. Remember, the CHAPBOOK is merely a container! Please set the length [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3056567 here]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:49, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 10:08, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Robert L. Forward / Timemaster ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51657 Timemaster] and have corrected the numberline from 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 to 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 17:40, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Limericks ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?432439; I added OL ID link to the copy on Archive.org and added the few page #'s needed, but why are the contents called poems? Aren't they many poems by both authors, not single ones? --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:59, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, it's a collection of 144 poems by each of them but they are not listed separately so ISFDB lists it as "poem" singular. That's just the way it is. There's no provision anywhere to designate a plural.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:44, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dead Roses For A Blue Lady ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?271911; A few tweaks. The interior art has 2002-10-00 date instead of 2003-10-00, the catalog ID should have a space between letters and numbers like other White Wolf ID on ISFDB, and the publisher is an imprint of White Wolf Publishing, so it should be Two Wolf Press / White Wolf Publishing so that it will be the same as the other 4 books on ISFDB by that publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:57, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Master Storyteller ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?111521; I fixed the page count, making it the same as in WorldCat, and added the preface by Freas and OL ID link to the Archive.org copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:17, 10 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Claremont Tales ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7269; I added Luminist PDF to the first volume, but interior art has no date and number of copies mentioned at back of book wasn't entered, as PV usually do when that info is available. Also, shouldn't interior art be in the other edition, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:48, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:This was a very early PV of mine before I got much more detailed (as I am now). Go ahead and enter what information you want. My copy is in deep storage at the moment.18:25, 13 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Spook page count ==<br />
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Hello, Jim. If possible, would you check your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31821 this book] and confirm it has 234 pages, not 197? --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 01:58, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Not sure where 197 comes from. I have 234 in my records as does Open Library and the Library of Congress. I'll submit a fix.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:55, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::I think it comes from Locus1. Thanks for your help! [[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 03:20, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::No problem.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:52, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Waterworld ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188829; I added to your 2014 PV the OL ID link to the Archive copy, which was uploaded in 2010, and changed the page count to 324. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:02, 21 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. The 321 had to be a typo. 324 is what I have in my records.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:06, 21 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Marblehead ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410511; I added OL ID link to Archive.org copy, but the Tucker essay in a later edition originated here in the edition you PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:49, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thank you.17:01, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Steel ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357947; I added an Archive.org link to your PV, but the LCCN is actually for the other edition, which I just did an edit for (fixing the title, adding the real cover, which is the same as the PB (one there now had placeholder art, as mentioned on the cover), adding TP as format, and adding LCCN & WorldCat ID); the PB has no LCCN record but it does have a WorldCat, https://www.worldcat.org/title/755894234?tab=details, in case you want to fix that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:42, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Thank you. I'll submit it when I get a chance.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:52, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::I see your edit was just approved. You may want to remove your note about LCCN since that ID isn't there anymore. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Done.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 22:08, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Synopsis sources ==<br />
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When copying the synopsis from somewhere (publisher, the book itself, a review, Amazon and so on), the source needs to be mentioned in the field. See how I did it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3102626 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:40, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Okay.01:19, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick / Beyond Lies the Wub ==<br />
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The pub record for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4328 Beyond Lies the Wub] has ISBN 0-88733-052-5 which is for the limited edition set. It should have the trade edition ISBN: 0-88733-053-3. Do you agree? If so, I'm quite happy to submit the correction. Let me know if you would like me to or whether you'd rather submit it yourself. NB: the records for volumes 2-5 have the correct trade edition ISBN. Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:48, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Good catch. Go ahead and submit away![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:51, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Time Machines ==<br />
<br />
Can you double check the notes for {{P|923016|Time Machines}}? I assume "Cover art not and there is no visible signature" is missing "credited" after the "not". Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:58, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:You're right. Fix submitted along with the cover scan.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 12:05, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Distress Call ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10274; I've got a pending edit which adds an exclamation point to the title, adds interior artist John Speirs, and adds link to Archive.org copy from November 2010. All good? EDIT: Also, https://archive.org/details/startrekiishorts0000rots, which you also PV but no page numbers were entered; they're in this copy in case you want to enter them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I'm good with the additions.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:47, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== I, JFK ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404677; Archive.org copy uploaded in 2011, before your 2012 PV, I added a link and LCCN ID, also added afterword on p. 262, copy is missing title page, just checking that yours has one and says E.P. Dutton because when you search for "Dutton" in the copy it gets nothing but searching for E.P. finds "E.P. Button" on the copyright page even though it clearly says Dutton; E.P. Dutton is also on back flap but it doesn't find that because it's faded and can't be seen by the search engine, I guess. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:50, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== British library external ID ==<br />
<br />
When adding a BL number, you need to drop BLL01 from the start if you have the number starting with it. More details [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs here]. I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253596 here]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:03, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:Noted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 20:02, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cellars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?186029; Neil Slovin is credited in R. Laymon's The Cellar; you or someone else wrote a note about this book's cover artist coming from Paperbacks from Hell but like a lot of other stuff in that book it's wrong. Slovin had nothing to do with this book; title is just similar which probably led to the error. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:30, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I'll assume that you're correct since I don't have a copy of "Paperback from Hell" and did not do the cover credit. Go ahead and remove the credit.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 02:32, 26 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Author Birthplace ==<br />
<br />
When adding an author's birthplace, please remember our [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:AuthorFields:BirthPlace guidelines]. I added 'USA' [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?258209 here] and changed 'United Kingdom' to 'UK' [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?174187 here]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:15, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I'll try to remember that. I think this is the first one I've done.01:14, 30 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Deathport ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5557227; Someone just uploaded this hard-to-find-these-days anthology; I had a feeling the ix was wrong because intro starts on xi, and so it was. I assume yours is the same and it was just a mistake; if not, let me know since it'll probably be a while before my edit is approved. Also, would you object to me uploading Archive cover? It's perfectly bright and clean, with sharper color than the one here now; looks like it just came off the presses, which is unlikely since I don't think this book was ever reprinted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:50, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Typo. Go ahead and fix it (I'll make the change in my records here at home). If you have a better cover then by all means put it up![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 16:50, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Quichotte ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?727026; I have a pending edit which adds Archive.org link, changes OL ID because the one there now is for another edition, and fixes a misspelled word in the notes. However, I didn't change "pronounciation" to "pronunciation" in the essay, and the notes which say cover artist is on back flap is wrong, cover designer is (that's also mentioned in the notes), but the name is wrong (both in the cover artist field and in the notes), it's really this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?132263, so should be fixed although really it should only be in the notes because they were the designer, not the artist (unless there's somewhere online that says they did the art, too). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:14, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Go ahead and correct whatever inaccuracies that you find. That's the name of the game. The misspellings are typos. Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 16:58, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Seven Veils ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18188; I added a (pending) edit with Archive.org link; cover artist is Drew Struzman on copyright page. Also, note says November 1991 but it's December on copyright page, and December was the month that was entered as the date. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18196; I added 4th printing from Archive.org and I noticed that while date is February the note for 1st printing which you PV says January. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:17, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:The dates in the notes are from the copyright notices filed with the Library of Congress and are usually filed after the book is actually published. They reflect the official publication dates according to the publisher. They sometimes differ from the dates on the copyright pages which are usually when the books are projected to get to the stores. The copyright filings are the official records and used in cases of copyright disputes, etc. and you may use them or ignore them as you see fit. I include them in all of my listings if I can find them.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 16:46, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fire in the Heavens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229641; A lot of Avalon books added recently on Archive.org, I added a link (still pending) to your PV for this title, it ends on p. 223 with the word "impos-", what's on the last page? If it's not a lot, maybe you can add missing text to the notes so people reading it know how it ends. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:58, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:If I can locate it I could do that. It's in deep storage at the moment.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 23:53, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Big Over Easy ==<br />
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I made minor changes to contents of The Big Over Easy https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71474 if you have no objection. Thanks.[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 01:04, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Not sure what was changed but I don't see anything anyone could object to.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:15, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Benford & Greenberg / Hitler Victorious ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17138 Hitler Victorious]. There is no comma in the title of the Greg Bear story. I will correct this and add pub notes about the different ways the title of the publication is stated throughout the book. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 11:16, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Works for me. It's all about accuracy.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 21:18, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Edge of Space ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5587104; I did some stuff in my edit but cover artist says "Fref" on back flap, not "Freff", so if yours is the same it should be changed and made a variant; it will be the only one by "Fref" here although he has several other alternate names. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:59, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:My copy is inaccessible at the moment so lets go with what yours says since you have it to hand. I'm sure it's a typo and they're all alike.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 21:34, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Expanded Universe Again ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12812; Copy uploaded a few months ago, I added link in a (pending) edit, several 1980 dates entered here, should some/all be the same month as the book's? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:16, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:They would probably have to be judged individually. For instance: "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?121361 How to be a Survivor]" was published in Destinies in 1980-07, three months before the book was published and so would have a date prior to the book.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 14:57, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Zombies of Lake... ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?324416; I added to your PV a link to the Archive.org copy uploaded in 2019 and fixed the title (Woebegotton to Woebegotten). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:40, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 12:02, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== POTA ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5605424; Author's full name is on cover and title page, month is August on copyright page, both disagree with your PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:14, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've submitted a change to the author name. According to the publisher the book was published on July 12 (the month before the date on the copyright page). This is pretty common. The original date on the entry was July so I left it at that. You can submit a correction if you want to.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 03:09, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for fixing the name. The date issue is so common here that it would need countless thousands of fixes to the month of publication because so many editors entered months/days from Amazon (which are often wrong) or somewhere else instead of what it says in the book while countless thousands of others entered it as it says in the book. A standard rule about how to enter it should have been implemented early on but wasn't so it's just random. Some people actually said where they got the info from in the notes, others didn't, so that's random, too. As I'm sure you know often the date in the book is wrong, too; see Cemetery Dance and their history of releasing books long after they were supposed to. I doubt too many people care most about exact dates, anyway, they care about the content of the book, correct stories/titles in collections/anthologies, correct page count in case they request printing portions of a book from a library, etc. Don't get me started on how many of those things are wrong here, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:41, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I give the source of the publication date in my edits. I use the Library of Congress' Catalog of Copyrights data when I can find it since this information is filed by the publishers after the date of publication and is used for copyright disputes. I figure if it's good enough for the courts it should be good enough for here. I have found some obvious errors in the catalog and there are some premature filings where there was a delay in getting the book to market after it was officially published but those are usually noted by Locus.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 15:31, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Isaac Asimov Presents the Best Science Fiction Firsts ==<br />
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Hi. You verified the 1984-04 Beaufort Books edition P{{p|178473}}. You don't say whether yours is a copy of the 1st printing. The Barnes & Noble date is intended to be that of the 1st printing, I suppose.<br />
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Internet Archive holds the [https://archive.org/details/isaacasimovprese00asim_2 1st ed., 1st printing] and Open Library provides preview of that one. (Title leaf ends with "First Edition" and "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1".) I would like to note that. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:27, 12 March 2023 (EDT)</div>
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== The Other Passenger by John Keir Cross ==<br />
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Thanks for adding new content to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?242461 this pub]. Your submission was accepted with some minor changes. For prices use the dollar sign, e.g. $2.75 in this case. Also when adding new content such as stories, the new records created by the update will have to be merged with any existing records for the same stories (there were title records for 8 of the stories you added). I'll do that and you'll see the results on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?John%20Keir%20Cross John Keir Cross's summary page]. Thanks again, and welcome to the ISFDB. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:17, 1 Jan 2008 (CST)<br />
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== ESPer ==<br />
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Your submission was accepted, a correction was made to the price entry. All prices need to start with a currency symbol, and prices in cents need a leading zero, e.g., $0.35.--[[User:Rkihara|Rkihara]] 18:56, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Conditionally Human ==<br />
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I accepted your submission updating the cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7847 this pub], and notified the verifier. It is ISFDB policy that an editor notify the verifier when a change has been made in a verified pub. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Ellison Wonderland '' ==<br />
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Thanks for correcting the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?LLSNWNDRLN1984 Bluejay Books edition of ''Ellison Wonderland '']! I have approved the submission and massaged the data in this publication, so it seems to be OK now.<br />
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One word of caution: if you edit an existing title in the Contents section of a collection, anthology, magazine or omnibus, it will affect that title in ''all'' other books and editions that the title appears in. Sometimes this behavior is desirable, for example if you are correcting a typo and the correction applies to every edition that we have on file. However, in this case it would mean that 'Back to the Drawing Boards' would replace 'The Forces that Crush' everywhere, which is presumably not what we want. This a common issues that all new contributors run into and we plan to change the behavior of our software to make it more intuitive, but for now we follow the workaround described in [[Help:How to change a story in a collection]]. Thanks again for the submission! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:17, 10 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== LCCN placement ==<br />
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The LCCN should be placed in the note field. The Catalog #/ISBN field is used only for the ISBN or the catalog numbers of pre-ISBN paperbacks. I've adjusted the change you made to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25253 this pub] accordingly. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 05:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Synopsis field ==<br />
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The synopsis field is used for a brief suimmery of the plot of a story or novel. Comments such as "Per Acknowledgments in 'Shot in the Dark' (p 310), reprinted from 'Wanted: Someone Innocent' (Pony Books Edition) by Margery Allingham Carter, 1946. Contento also lists 1946 as publication year." should be placed in the notes field. Thank you. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 21:06, 2 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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The same thing happened in {{T|91756|Who Is Charles Avison?}}, and i again moved the "synopsis" of "Originally published in an April 1916 issue of Argosy, per Contento (1st edition, p 572.)" into the notes field. I do thank you for these detailed and useful notes, but do please put them in the note field in future. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:32, 2 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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The same thing with {{T|75152|The Bronze Parrot}} by {{A|R. Austin Freeman}}. But here there is another oddity. I have read most of Freeman's work, and little if any of it qualifies as speculative fiction. Handling Non-SF contents in SF anthologies or collections is a bit tricky, and opinions vary on the best way to do it. But some indication of non-speculative status should generally be recorded. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:DES: thanks for cleaning up my edits. The Freeman story, 'The Bronze Parrot', does qualify as speculative fiction. A milquetoast churchman finds a small bronze parrot, and is unaware that it immediately changes him to an intimidating bully. When he finally returns the parrot to the museum which lost it, he returns to normal. At the end we learn the parrot was the totem of an Ashanti War Chief whose war chant translates as, "Foreign slaves revile me. Why?".<br />
::You are welcome. Since I left this msg, i found the story in the collection ''The Great Portrait Mystery'' (via PG Australia) and i quite agree. There is another story in that collection that is basically a ghost story. I'll have to see about entering it. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 21:11, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== DW? ==<br />
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Hello - when updating {{p|4094|The Best from Startling Stories}} you added the note "per DW front flap, 'Jacket illustration by Alex Schomburg, copyright 1952, by Better Publications, Inc.'" I approved the update but what's the or a DW? --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 06:56, 30 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: I would guess "Dust Wrapper", aka "Dust Jacket"? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:13, 30 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks - that makes perfect sense. I updated the publication to spell out "dust wrapper" and found three other pub records that also used DW which I expanded. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 04:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 1964 Ballantine edition of ''Star of Stars'' ==<br />
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You may not have run into it yet, but when we make changes to verified publications, we generally leave messages on the verifier's Talk page so that the verifier can make sure that the changes match his copy. (In a small percentage of cases it turns out that two editors have two somewhat different editions.) I have approved the addition of Richard Powers as the cover artist to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?182401 1964 Ballantine edition of ''Star of Stars'']and, since it was already verified by [[User:Kraang]], left him a note on [[Adding Images/Notes to Pubs Verified by Kraang]]. Thanks for editing! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: I think Ahasuerus meant [[User talk:Kraang/Changes to Verified Pubs]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 04:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Men Against the Stars ==<br />
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The submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297271 this new pub] was accepted, but a few changes were made. I copied the catalog number that you had in the notes fields into the ISBN/Catalog No. field, and the contents were entered based on the reference in Tuck. A couple of questions: Tuck gives this a 1957 date, and gives it 191 pages. Can you double check the page count before I do a Tuck-verification of the record? Also if you have a copy, please add the page numbers for the stories. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:According to [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2398051 OCLC record 2398051] this was published in 1957 and has 191 pages (both agrees with Tuck). It also says that "Pyramid Giant G234" is printed on the cover. Does your copy agree with this? [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I just found this [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/15863672 OCLC record 15863672] which has the same date and page count as your copy but it only lists seven stories. We need to reconcile the ISFDB records with Tuck and OCLC. I added a cover scan from Bookscans website. Does it match your copy? Also, does you copy have a statement that it is a second printing? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:01, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Gollancz edition of ''Blood and Burning'' ==<br />
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Do you know which stories are included in this edition of the Budrys collection? Thanks. Also, I removed "uncredited" in the cover artist field. That field remains blank if the artist is not credited in the book. If there is a visible signature, or a secondary source you can place that name in the field and place the source in the notes. Otherwise leave the field blank. See the artist section of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#General_contents the entry standards]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:01, 17 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Arthur Sellings' "The Transfer" ==<br />
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I accepted the submission which updated [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98459 this title record] with a note saying that it was not in the collection. Contento and Tuck disagree, but they do make an occasional error. I will accept a submission which removes it from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TMTRNSFRBB1956 this pub record], but will ask that you do a primary verification on the pub in case someone should come along and try to add the story back based on Contento and Tuck. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 06:25, 2 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Stories from Outer Space ==<br />
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I approved the update to {{p|33346|Stories from Outer Space}} but am puzzled in that you changed the note from<br />
* Page count and place of publication from OCLC record 6033507.<br />
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* Page count and place of publication from OCLC record 6033507. Page count verified by my copy of book <br />
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Someone looking at this record will not know who "my" is.<br />
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Does your copy not state the place of publication? Per what's at [[Template:PublicationFields:Publisher]] it looks like it would be better to:<br />
* Change the publisher name to "Chartwell Books" to remove the city name.<br />
* Update the note to say "OCLC record 6033507 reports the publisher as 'Secaucus, NJ: Chartwell Books.'" --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 08:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Coverscan of "The Other Worlds" ==<br />
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I noticed your third effort to upload the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:TOTWRLDS1941.jpg coverscan] for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TOTWRLDS1941 The Other Worlds]. Nice scan btw. There seems to be one step in the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki procedure] you haven't found yet, step 6: ''Once the file has been uploaded, the image's wiki page will appear. In order to get the URL (address) for the image you just uploaded, left click anywhere on the image and copy the URL from your browser's address window. (Or right click on the image and choose "Copy Image Location".) If you're adding a cover image to a pub record, this is the URL which you would enter into the pub record's "Image URL" field.'' After this edit is approved, the scan should be visible on the publication page. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 06:29, 11 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Since you haven't responded, I added the link. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 06:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Code ==<br />
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I am going to approve your update of {{T|903496|Code}} but the comment of "Copyright attribution in Sterling's collection 'Visionary in Residence' says, 'first appeared in Men Seeking Women: Love and Sex On-line edited by Jonathan Karp, Atrandom.com, 2001.' " belongs in the note field, '''not''' inn the synopsis field. I will move it. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 06:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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A similar issue occurred with {{T|903499|The Necropolis of Thebes}} where I moved text from the synopsis field to the note field. Please remember that the Synopsis field is for a brief plot summery of a novel or story. Thank you for your contributions. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 06:36, 6 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Complete Novel=Serial ==<br />
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The ISFDB gives any novel that is published complete in one issue the SERIAL title type. Yes, this may first appear to defy the meaning of "serial", but keep in mind, when authors sell a work's "serial rights", it simply means that it will be published in a periodical as opposed to a book, not that it will necessarily have to be split into multiple issues of that periodical. The ISFDB uses the SERIAL type accordingly, and then makes it into a variant of the canonical title record, which contains publications of the story in book form. If you look at the title record for the Budrys novel [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?606861 here], you'll see that it contains three publication records. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SATLTSFOCT1956 first one] is it's "serialization" in a single issue of ''Satellite''. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MANOERT1958 second] is its book publication by Ballantine. And the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RNGXMTVJCB1962 last] is a translated serialization (in one issue) of an Italian magazine. The two serializations have been made variants of the book title which we consider the ''canon'' title of the work. If the book publication ("Man of Earth") had retained the same title used in the magazine publication ("The Man from Earth"), and if we made the magazine publication into the NOVEL title type (which your submission would have done) then we would have a novel title record "The Man from Earth" which is a variant of another novel title record "The Man from Earth", an untenable situation as it would be natural to merge these two records. So those persons who designed the database (not me) decided to make all magazine appearances into SERIAL title types, regardless of the number of issues in which it appear. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:27, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Notes in ''The Kid from Mars'' ==<br />
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Hi. I just accepted your edits to {{P|272837|A Kid from Mars}}. It sounds as if you actually have the book. In cases like this, where the notes indicate the entry was constructed from secondary sources, it's ok to remove/revise the notes where the source of the data is now the publication itself. For example, the note talks about the year being from Worldcat, but you've found the date on the copyright page (and you've added a note to that effect). Other than the fact that this corresponds to OCLC #1806888 (which should be kept in the notes), most of the first two sentences are no longer relevant if you have the publication. Does that make sense? Absolutely no harm in erring on the side of keeping things and/or following an add-only policy, but I wanted to be sure you know it's ok to do more than that in this situation. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:00, 1 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Harrison's introduction in ''Best SF 1970'' ==<br />
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Just a note that I accepted the addition of page numbers to the first US edition of this book, but converted Harrison's "Introduction" from a review to an essay. I also merged it with its counterpart from a later printing and set up a variant title for the retitled version of the intro in the Sphere edition. Thanks for editing! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Pre-decimal British currency ==<br />
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I accepted your change to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?320679 this pub], but reverted the price from "6s. 0d." back to "6/-", which is the form we use here on the ISFDB for pre-decimal British currency. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:35, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Non-Fiction vs. Essay ==<br />
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Hi. Approved your addition of {{P|339043|Seven for Space}}, but I changed the types of the two introductory pieces from NONFICTION to ESSAY. We use NONFICTION for book-length works, and ESSAY for shorter pieces. You will rarely (if ever) have a case where you would set a content entry's type to NONFICTION. The distinction isn't obvious unless you've studied [[Help:Screen:EditPub#EntryType|the help]]. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:16, 28 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Foundation's Edge ==<br />
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I approved your edit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?224597 this pub], but then cloned it, because mine was obviously a second printing. Also moved my verification, and deleted the note about the 2nd printing. I would have appreciated a message on my talk page. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 11:51, 31 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Variant dustjacket for ''Travelers of Space'' ==<br />
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I've responded to your message to Gilgamesh on his talk page, but I just noticed that you'd uploaded the Binkley image by using the replace image method. So the Cartier image no longer links to the pub, the one you replaced it with (the Binkley art) is now displayed in the pub record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TRVLRSSPC1951 Travelers of Space]. In the future, don't use the "Upload new cover scan" link if the images don't match. This link is to upload a better scan of the image than the one that's currently displayed in the record. If you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:TRVLRSSPC1951.jpg the wiki page] for the image, you'll see it is credited to Edd Cartier, who was the artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/archive/2/25/20110116205657!TRVLRSSPC1951.jpg the image] you replaced. I could revert these changes but the image you just uploaded (the Binkley artwork) may be lost. If so, you'll have to upload it again, using [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki the other method] of adding images to the server. I'll let you know if I can save it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:03, 16 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I may have the artists of the two images confused. Is the blue one by Binkley and the red one by Cartier...or the reverse? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:05, 16 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::go ahead and delete the Binkley image I uploaded, and replace with previous Cartier (red) jacket. apologize for the hassle. {{Unsigned|Markwood}}<br />
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:::No hassle, but you should sign your comments with four tildes - <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> :). I've reverted the image to the Cartier art, reloaded the Binkley image and linked it to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52251 the pub record's note field]. Please add further notes to the record detailing what you know about each of the two dustjackets. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors: A Search for Who We Are ==<br />
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I'm not sure if this title would be covered under the current policies about inclusion in the database. Was is your rationale for adding it? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:13, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:This nonfiction book appears consistent with the other nonfiction books already listed for Sagan. It, too, is 'popular science', this time focusing on human evolution and biology. I'm just trying to fill in a missing title in a catalogued body of work. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]]<br />
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::Your submission doesn't credit Sagan as the author, only Ann Druyan. Those other books by Sagan are in the db based on their being reviewed in an SF magazine. I don't think we need to add every book every written by a scientist who wrote only one work of SF, but I'll allow the submission if you'll update it, giving Sagan credit. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I've accepted the submission making the following changes based on the OCLC record: Changed the ISBN from "0-394-534881-6" to "0-394-53481-6", added the roman-numeraled pages, and added Carl Sagan as the co-author. If this matches your copy of the book please do a primary verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?342401 the pub]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:07, 31 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Bradbury Chronicles 2 ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?353078 this new pub] but removed the publication series in which you placed it. This is a title series and is already in the pub's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32112 title record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:39, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:According to the OCLC record, the cover art is by Dave Gibbons. Are you certain that Bruce Jensen is credited as the artist? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Yes, cover art for the hardcover edition is by Bruce Jensen, per back of dust jacket: 'Cover illustration by Bruce Jensen'.<br />
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== Bradbury Chronicles 3 ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?353079 This record] was accepted, and like the one above, I removed the publication series data. Also there's an error in how the cover artist is credited. If the cover art is a collaboration between two people each person must be credited in their own field. Press "Add Artist" to enter additional credits. Did both Timothy Truman and Steve Fastner create the cover art? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Yes, both artists are credited on back of dust jacket: 'Cover illustration by Timothy Truman & Steve Fastner'. Thanks for reminder about entering each artist separately. (Doh! :)) I'll fix the database record.<br />
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== ''The Inheritance'' by Robin Hobb (and Megan Lindholm) ==<br />
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Your note to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340301 this pub] states that Lindholm is credited as the author on the back cover. The ISFDB standard is to use the credit as given on the book's title page, because occasionally cover credit differs from title page credit. Can you confirm that the book is credited to both Hobb and Lindholm on the book's title page? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:00, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Because of non-response, the submission was accepted, but the change in author credit was reverted to the original credit. If you feel this is in error, please leave a message here. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:22, 1 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Never at Home'' ==<br />
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Hi. To answer your question about {{P|354889|Never at Home}}'s publication date.... Start with what does the book say? If that doesn't help, then look for secondary sources. Here, if I go to [http://www.aqueductpress.com/ Aqueduct Press], I see they have "prerelease" pricing for orders before Aug 1, which sort of reinforces an August publication date. But if there were no information, then you might go with a July date based on your purchase. Regardless, I would include in the notes that you purchased a copy 2011-07-19. Unfortunately, being able to buy it doesn't necessarily say anything about the official publication date (other than it's somewhere near then).<br />
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A secondary comment: If you edit an entry whose notes claim Amazon (usually from Fixer or Dissembler -- two web crawlers) or any other secondary source as the source of information, you should delete that note, since now you are working off of the book. You'd only leave the note if there were some data elements in the entry that were not in the book and still came from the secondary source. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:54, 21 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gutter code on ''The Best from Universe'' ==<br />
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The gutter code is probably "O01" (the letter O followed by two numerical digits "01") in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35736 this pub] which would indicate a printing in the first week of January 1984. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:42, 21 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Creating line breaks in notes ==<br />
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If you want to make a line break in the note field, a simple keyboard return won't do it. You'll have to use HTML. Just add '''<nowiki><br></nowiki>''' at the end of the line before you start the next. If you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44191 the record] you just updated, you'll see that all the data you entered into the notes are on one line and that it butts up to the previous one (with the LOC permalink). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:04, 22 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The New Atlantis'' ==<br />
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I approved the submission adding the page numbers to the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44578 this publication]. Since the introduction starts on an Roman numbered page, you should also add those to the page count. Also, I noticed that OCLC gives the page count as vii+182 while the LCCN gives it as just 180. Can you confirm which one is correct? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Last page with text is numbered 180. There are 8 (viii) pages before page 1, with the 1-page intro on page vii. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:44, 23 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for updating the record. Please do a primary verification when you get the chance. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:19, 24 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Wrinkle in Time'' ==<br />
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The submission adding a record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371155 this printing] of the title was accepted. There is no evidence that this was ever a selection of the SFBC. The definitive list was supplied to the rec.arts.sf.written newsgroup by SFBC editor Andrew Wheeler in 2003, and this title was not on the list. There is no doubt however that this edition was published by Doubleday for any number of their book clubs. When there is no direct evidence that a Doubleday printing was a selection of the SFBC, we give the publisher as "Publisher / BCE". Can you check to see if the words "Book Club Edition" are printed at the bottom on the front flap of the dustjacket? There is also enough evidence to date this to at least 1969. (A new FSG trade edition, using the Ariel Books imprint, was published in 1968 and at that time, book club editions usually appeared between 6 and 12 months after the trade edition.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:33, 26 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:The dust jacket on my copy has both top & bottom corners of front flap clipped. Probably did have 'Book Club Edition', given other evidence (no edition/printing on copyright page, apparent book club number '2021' on bottom of back flap, blank back jacket), but can't verify. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:21, 28 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I've made adjustments to the record that it's a BCE and dated it 1969. If we can later confirm that it was a SFBC selection, the record can be corrected. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:32, 28 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Best of F&SF ==<br />
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This is a title series, not a publication series. I've removed it from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35674 this publication record]. The series was already in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34184 the title record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:27, 28 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== F&SF 30 Year Retrospective ==<br />
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I linked the Amazon cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43491 your verified record] of this title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:38, 2 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Adventures in Time & Space'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission correcting the price of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?245825 this record]. Is the $2.95 price printed on your copy's dustjacket? I need to note that the price given in Tuck is incorrect. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 3 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, price in upper right corner of front flap of dust jacket is '$2.95'. Guess Tuck was rounding up. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Adventures in Tomorrow'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the editor credit and all interior pieces in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367503 this edition] are given to Kendell F. Crossen? The OCLC record credits the full name, but their older records may not be as reliable. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:28, 3 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Far Boundaries'' ==<br />
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You should leave a note on the other primary verifier's talk page that you made some substantial changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13206 this record]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:31, 3 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== How to... ==<br />
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Click on the Wiki "Help" link and you're carried to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents this page]. There's a link for "How to..." Clicking on that will carry you to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to this page]. I would suggest bookmarking this page, as it has links to almost every function you will probably need to know in editing the database. There's a link here on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to merge titles]. This will teach you how to merge the two separate title records for the same Ken MacLeod story. If you have any questions, please leave a response to this message. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:26, 8 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== 30 Years of MFSF ==<br />
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Hello, I spotted a faulty page numbering in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43491 this pub]: Bretnor's Schimmelhorn story is catalogued on p. 2009 and I guess it should be - for example - p. 209. Could you take another veryfying look? Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:34, 12 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
: And while taking another look: the stories by Boucher and Disch both begin on p. 273 in this pub? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:42, 12 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Good catch. Thanks! There were 2 typos: '2009' was supposed to be '209', and '... Saint Aquin' starts on 294. I submitted the edits. Really appreciate you finding the errors and letting me know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:24, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::No problem: we all do the occasional typiung (see?) error. I was just linking the German publication of the anthology. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Storm Over Warlock ==<br />
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Hello, I had to reject your modification to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298713 this pub], instead of modifying the record for the first printing, you should have created another record for what seems to the second printing. You can do this via the "Clone This Pub" item in the "Editing Tools" menu on the left of the screen. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 22:15, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:OK. I submitted the clone edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:27, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Approved, thanks (you also can do a primary verification now). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 22:32, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Disambiguating titles... ==<br />
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...should be done with parentheses, not brackets. I've corrected the title of the introduction in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15122 this record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:45, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Serial LCCNs ==<br />
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Concerning your note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48409 this record] about a duplicate LCCN. This is called a serial LCCN because it's assigned to newspapers, periodicals, and book series, so that each successive volume can be grouped by librarians. I discovered this a few years back when I was working on other series like ''Universe'', ''New Dimensions'', and ''Orbit''. You may have already been aware of the usage, but I thought I'd let you know just in case you may have believed the duplication to be an error. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:05, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Good to know. I'll re-edit the Galaxy Readers I've verified to use this terminology. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Eyes of the Overworld'' ==<br />
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There was a discussion about this title years ago (I tried to find it, but my Wiki search skills have failed me) in which the conclusion was to keep [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2033 this title] a novel and not a collection. It may have been because the individual works had been "fixed-up" to form the novel, or that the work was published as a novel instead of a collection. I really can't remember. If you want to begin a new discussion on one of the community pages, leave a note on the talk page of each of the verifiers. I'll hold your submission until the outcome of that discussion. I can't accept it as it is right now because you left the pub type as a novel. Now that we have the ability to import contents it would be easier than it was years ago to convert each of the pubs to a collection type and then import the contents. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: I also can't find the original discussion, if it still exists. My own comment [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_05#The_Eyes_of_the_Overworld_:_Novel-.3Ecollection here] gave one reason not to rework them, but this may be a sign that we really need to look at beefing up "based on" links. In the copious free time that Ahasuerus and I don't have. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 02:34, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::If it was decided, then please ignore my edit and leave as novel. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:06, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's possible that the main reason for keeping it as a novel was because of the difficulty in converting records. Software changes have made that much simpler. I see that two of the constituent pieces ("The Cave in the Forest" and "The Manse of Iucounu") were first published as a single piece ("The Manse of Iucounu") and another one ("Cil") was original to the book but subsequently published as a separate piece. The other pieces appeared serially in F&SF over the course of a few months (12/65-7/66). So that may be why the book is considered a "fix-up" novel instead of a story collection. If you don't want to initiate a discussion (things aren't so set in stone that they can't be changed), you can cancel the submission. I'll leave it in the queue and leave the decision to you. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Frost & Fire ==<br />
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I added a number of items to the notes section of a pub you verified, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13592 Frost & Fire by Zelazny. [[User:Biomassbob|Biomassbob]] 01:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Gateway to Tomorrow ==<br />
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Quick question: is "Mus'''ue'''m Press" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15122 this record]'s Notes a typo? Also, should the publisher be "Museum Press" rather than just "Museum"? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:41, 20 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:yes, those were typos. Thanks for pointing them out. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:45, 21 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== No Boundaries ==<br />
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I added some words to the notes section of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287050 No Boundaries that appear on the page opposite the title page to the effect that the book is a first edition, not a reprint. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:10, 14 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover credit for ''The 7th Annual of the Year's Best S-F'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your updates to {{P|34945|The 7th Annual of the Year's Best S-F}}, but the cover art credit likely needs fixing up. We don't credit designers unless there's no other credit (in which case, we're sort of assuming the designer is the artist). If this cover is essentially a photograph, I think the credit should be solely to the photographer, recording the designer in the notes as you have done. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:59, 6 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Importing contents ==<br />
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I accepted the submission to add contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?353078 this record], but the better approach would have been to import the contents from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45925 this record]. This would have saved someone the trouble of having to merge the records you added to the ones that are already in the database. Before adding contents to a record, you should first check to see if another record has the same contents, or even ''almost'' the same contents, and then use the "Import Contents" function. You can always go back and make changes, or add and delete records, so that it matches your copy of the book. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:30, 25 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== <i>Star Wars: A New Hope</i> ==<br />
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I've approved your edit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32742 this pub], however you'll need to revise the entry for the page count. The Introduction you added to the Contents is on page "v" however at present there is no Roman numeral page count included before the pages. See the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages EditPub] Help page if you need information on how to do this. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 06:55, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:good catch. thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:50, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== BCE of ''The Last Space Ship'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission to create a record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?393348 the book club edition] of this title, but wonder where you got the publication date of 1949. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:54, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Didn't know how else to enter it, other than by setting 'year' field to 1949 (matching the copyright date, which in BCE was switched to Roman numerals, perhaps to confirm that edition's copyright was also 1949), and adding comment to effect I didn't know for sure. Is there a standard for handling situations like this? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:32, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes. <br />
::#If the publication doesn't specify a date of publication, you can use a secondary source, which you should record in the note field. <br />
::#If you can not find a secondary source for the publication date, you can use the copyright year, but only if you're certain that this is the first printing of the first edition. You still should note that the book is not dated and you've had to resort to the copyright date. <br />
::#If you're not certain that the book is the first edition, or you're certain that the book is '''not''' the first edition (as in the case of a book club edition) and you have no secondary source for the publication date, you should enter 0000-00-00 in the publication date field, which will be displayed as "date unknown".<br />
::Please remember that, in most cases, it's not the edition/publication which is copyrighted. It's the work which is copyrighted. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:07, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::I accepted the date change to 0000-00-00. In doing so, I noticed the publisher is recorded as "Frederick Fell" instead of as "Frederick Fell / BCE". While trying to dig up a help reference for that, I found only "/ SFBC" is mentioned for Science Fiction Book Club editions, with no mention of treatment of other book club editions. Guess I will go bring that up and see. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:09, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::As far as I know this was not a selection of Doubleday's Science Fiction Book Club, which was founded in 1953. That doesn't mean they could have reprinted it several years later, but no sources give this title as a SFBC selection. Tuck doesn't give a book club of this title at all. It is the IFSDB ''de facto'' standard to use " / BCE" at the end of a publisher's name if the words "Book Club Edition" appear on the book, and it's uncertain that it was a SFBC selection. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:04, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I added " / BCE" to the publisher on this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:42, 21 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Dating titles ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68196 The City on the Edge of Forever]: The ISFDB records the date of first publication of a work, not its date of writing or the date of its production (if it's a play, teleplay or screenplay). So, I'm rejecting the submission to redate this piece to 1966 based on the author's assertion that it was written in that year. We may need to determine if it was first published in 1976, as that is currently the only publication we have of the work. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:16, 30 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::OK, on that basis 1976 is correct date. Both of the intros, by Elwood and by Ellison, are explicit that this is the teleplay's first publication in this, its original unedited form. Thanks for clarification. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: Seventh Series - Data Check ==<br />
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I was doing a verification of {{P|258503|The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction, Seventh Series}} and I found a few errors that might also be errors for your record copy of {{P|35695|The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction, Seventh Series}}. Could you please check the title of "Lyric for Atom-Splitters', is it with or without a hyphen between Atom and Splitter? Is "Journey's End" listed with or without an Apostrophe?, and Lastly, is 'Full Circle' listed as by Dorothy Cowles Pinkney, or Dorothy C. Pinkney? - I suspect that all three of these are small typos that have coasted through the database for some time. We can probably fix them all at once ... once everyone checks in. Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 03:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I did not update your verified pub, but some of the titles in your pub now have variants added. I recommend you double check your verification when you get a chance - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 21:55, 18 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::I checked these both in the first hardcover, and in the Ace paperback:<br />
<br> - 1st hardocver has hypen in Atom-Splitters. Ace paperback does not.<br />
<br> - Both have apostrophe in Journey's End.<br />
<br> - Both use 'Dorothy Cowles Pinkney'.<br />
<br>If these need to be corrected, could you please do that? I've not made this type of edit before. BTW, note that I deleted the listing for the Arthur Clarke essay 'Message to the Stars'. It is not in either publication. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:00, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Could you please double check on or about page 93. Is section V of Clarke's ''Venture to the Moon'', titled "Who Wrote That Message to the Stars? ...in Letters a Thousand Miles Long?" or is it titled "Watch this Space"? You see the 5 short stories that make up 'Venture to the Moon' were each previously published separately, and in some anthologies are listed as separate pieces, and in other as a single work. Take a look at the record for the book club edition {{P|258503|Best from F&SF Seventh}}. If it has the alternate title, that might be the only place it appears (Since the title record {{T|187572|Who Wrote That Message to the Stars? ...in Letters a Thousand Miles Long?}} is now orphaned and doesn't have any appearances at all). Otherwise if your book does not have that title, we should consider removing the orphan title from the database. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 14:41, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy 2012 ==<br />
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Replaced amazon scan and expanded notes for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383744 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:46, 11 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Caviar'' ==<br />
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I changed the price field in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?302577 this record] from "21s" to "21/-", the ISFDB standard of entering British shillings. If the price had been 21s/6p, it would have been entered as "21/6". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:34, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Yefremov's ''Stories'' ==<br />
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Are you certain that the cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33340 this publication] was also done by the same artist that did the interior art? Is he credited inside the book for its dustjacket (which you say your copy doesn't have)? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:37, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:On ABE there are images of the book with dust jacket. The dust jacket art is identical to the embossed image on the front board. The credit "designed and illustrated by ..." seems clear that G. Petrov is responsible for book design, which includes the artwork on front board and dust jacket. However, let's snap to whatever is ISFDB standard. Feel free to edit as appropriate. Thanks.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::In 99% of books in my collection, the term "Book designed by...", when credited on the book's copyright page, refers to the interior design of the book, not the dustjacket cover art. The ISFDB standard is to record credits as given. If you don't have the dustjacket, you can contact someone who does (perhaps the Abebooks dealers) to ask if they would check to see if the dustjacket art is credited. If you're unable to confirm the artist responsible, the field should remain blank. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:24, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK. Deleted the attribution for cover art. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:12, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Red Peri'' ==<br />
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If your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45971 this publication] is a limited edition, it is better to clone the record and create a new publication record for it, making any changes or additions to it, and then do a primary verification of that new record. If you choose to do this, then cancel the submission to update the record for the trade (not limited) edition. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:55, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, cancelled the edit, and will create new entry.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Third Galaxy Reader ==<br />
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You might want to double check your verified pub {{P|177793|Third Galaxy Reader}}. The work 'End as a World' listed by Floyd. L. Wallace, is listed as by "F. L. Wallace" in my book club edition. Usually these things are from the same printing plates (But sometimes they are not). I'm just recommending a double check. - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 02:48, 21 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Fixed. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:48, 8 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Better Than One", by Damon Knight and Kate Wilhelm ==<br />
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Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4246 verified publication] says that it was published without a dust jacket. This doesn't seem right to me. My copy has a dust jacket, which matches the picture of the book on that page and several other dust jackets on copies offered for sale, hence clearly published with the book. Of course it's possible that the book was published at Noreascon II without a jacket, and then later with a jacket, but that seems inconsistent with other copies available for sale. For example, [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=86398949&searchurl=isbn%3D0960314601 this copy] for sale has a dust jacket, and is not only signed bu the authors, but is inscribed by Knight, hence seems almost certain to have been purchased at the con and not later. [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=201840665&searchurl=isbn%3D0960314601 This copy] for sale on Abebooks has a dust jacket and includes the receipt for the book's purchase at Noreascon. Do you have any idea where the claim came from that it was published without a dust jacket? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 12:29, 9 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: I've deleted the note about it being published without a dust jacket. I added a couple of other minor notes. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 11:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::I think there are two different editions. See the printing history on the [http://www.nesfa.org/press/Books/KnightWilhelm.htm NESFA website]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 11:58, 13 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good edit, well documented. Thanks for catching and fixing. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I found the right person at NESFA who gave me some details about the printing history. In response to my question about the dust jacket vs. the green book alone, Tony Lewis wrote to me: "The book originally had the plain white dust wrapper. Sometimes this was removed when selling at conventions because it was believed this improved sales." I have added this note to the publication. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:34, 5 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::: And in case you're interested, this was in response to the following email question: <br />
::::: "In your web page about this book, you say of the Printing History:<br><br />
::::: "Text cover; No dust jacket or interior artwork. The front cover of the book has the authors' signatures embossed in gold."<br><br />
::::: But most copies of this book have a plain white, text-only, dust jacket. This includes copies which are fairly convincing about being purchased in the original distribution at Noreascon II. Am I incorrectly interpreting your phrase "No dust jacket"? Has the book always had that plain white cover, and that phrase just means there was no "professional, artistic" dust jacket? Or does it really mean that the original edition came with no dust jacket at all? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:41, 5 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Adventures in Time and Space ==<br />
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I added the cover artist to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?245825 Adventures in Time and Space]'' along with a note as to its source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 00:31, 13 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Whispers ==<br />
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Added cover scan and subtitle "An Anthology of Fantasy and Horror" from title page.[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 20:59, 15 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Sturgeon's ''Maturity'' ==<br />
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Is the "Postscript" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21721 this publication] for the entire collection or just for the preceding story? Whichever one it is should be added parenthetically to disambiguate it, e.g. "Postscript (Maturity)". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:03, 30 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== File uploads ==<br />
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Please keep your cover image uploads to no more than 150K in size and no more than 600 pixels at its longest side. Exceptions can be made for wraparound cover art, but otherwise you should stay within the prescribed limits. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:14, 2 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Yarbro's ''Cautionary Tales'' ==<br />
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Are the essays that you've added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6443 this record] entered ''exactly'' as they are titled in the publication (i.e. capitalization and punctuation)? If they are not titled at all, and all just a paragraph or two, it is not necessary to have created content records for them. A note in the pub record would have sufficed. <br />
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Also, you made a subsequent submission that made no changes to the record, only a "Note to Moderator" concerning the untitled poem. You should not make submissions that don't edit a record. In this case, you should have waited until the submission was accepted, and then made the necessary changes to the record. About the title of the poem, you should only title it ''exactly'' as it appears in the collection. If there is no title on the poem itself, but it is titled on the contents page or copyright page, or in the acknowledgements, you can add the title, but note the source of the title in the note field of the poem's title record (and the publication record if you wish.) If there is no title given at all, enter the first line of the poem ''exactly'' as given in the publication. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 08:51, 2 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, each of those essays has a title at top of essay, exactly as I entered them. The poem is untitled on page 207, but Contents page lists "An Indulgence" on page 207, so that must be its title. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:41, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Great. Looks good, although it might be a good idea to note the source of the poem's title so that any future primary verifier doesn't try to remove the title from the record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:24, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Jizzle'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19010 this record], even though you didn't provide a source for your data. I can only assume that you're working from the primary source, since you added the cover arat credit and the page numbers of the contents. If so, please let the moderator know that in the Note to Moderator field, and then do a Primary Verification of the record after the submission is accepted. If you're working from a secondary source, that source should be given in the Note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:14, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, primary verification. I entered a 2nd primary verification for the publication. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:22, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Flow My Tears'' ==<br />
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You made subsequent submissions to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14027 this record]. If I accept the second submission, all the changes you made in the first will be reverted back to the original data. It's important to wait for each submission that updates the same record be moderated. I'm going to go ahead and accept the second, but then I'll have to go back and return the data you added in the first. Please look at the record once I've finished to confirm that everything you wanted to note is there. I don't think it will be necessary to keep the note about the Abebooks.com dealer because you say that the ISBN is stated in the book itself. The number is invalid, even if it stated (it's a publisher error). The only way to get around that error message is to add a "#" before the number that fools the software into thinking it's a catalog number instead of an ISBN. I'll note this in the Note field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:03, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Whoah. Now you've made a third. This is going to take some time to figure out just what to keep and what not. Please stop updating this record until I've sorted it out. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:04, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's ready to be updated if you need to make any more changes. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:16, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:My sincere apologies for having you jump through those hoops. I didn't understand how your view of the editor worked, and I assumed each edit would make incremental updates. I won't make that mistake again. I reviewed the end state, and you got everything perfect. I see you also put "One Plus One Studio" in the "artist" field. I wasn't sure that a "Studio" would be considered an "artist". Thanks for that fix & clarification. And, again, thanks for sorting out the multiple edits. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:58, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: "Studio" or "Company" as Cover Artist is one of those things we've not settled. I'm frankly against putting a company in there - after all, filling the field with a new name leads to problems like the new "author" suddenly needing birthdate and birthplace etc. I've not complained too much about this before though, although I recall publications like some of Robert Rankin's - e.g {{P|112471|The Dance of the Voodoo Handbag}} where the author is actually the creator of an item that gets professionally photographed by someone else... we'll get round to sorting out the code in a year or two I'm sure. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 05:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Image file upload standards ==<br />
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I've noticed the last few cover images that you've uploaded are at 640 pixels. We ask that image files not exceed the height of 600 pixels (see the standards [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload here]). Please set your scanner and/or image software to this limit. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:19, 25 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Replacing image files ==<br />
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You seem to have had some trouble uploading a replacement file for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THDNGRTHMM1976.jpg this image]. Whenever you replace a file, you must clear your browser's cache, otherwise the original image is seen regardless of how many times you go to the publication record or the wiki page. Just hit your "F5" button (in most browsers) after you've replaced an image and you'll see the new image. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:40, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Doh! :) Thanks for explanation of what was happening. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:29, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Herbert's ''Direct Descent'' ==<br />
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I've accepted the submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10218 this record] and agree with your assessment that this should have been typed as a CHAPTERBOOK instead of novel. I've made the appropriate changes in this and all other publication records. A question: is Garcia explicitly credited with the cover art in your edition? My mmpb edition doesn't credit the cover art. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:12, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:There is no visible signature on the cover or any interior illustrations, and on the copyright page it says, "Illustrations copyright (c) 1980 by Garcia". Just an opinion, but it appears to me the color cover art is stylistically similar to the black-and-white interior illustrations. However, I'd appreciate if you edit the record to align with ISFDB standards in this situation. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:36, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::The copyright page statement is rather clear about the illustrations, but without an explicit credit for the cover art, it would be best to leave the field blank. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10216 UK edition] of this title retained the interior illustrations but had different cover art, which was explicitly credited. I'll remove the cover credit from this record until a time when a credible secondary source supplies further data. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== File exceeding limits ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THWNDRFLVS1895.jpg This file] exceeded the limits in both dimensions (800 pixels) and size (196 kb), so I reduced it to be within the ISFDB standards (no more than 600 pixels, and no larger than 150 kb). [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 08:21, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Conklin's Science Fiction Terror Tales ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes to Conklin's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29182 Science Fiction Terror Tales]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:23, 6 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Dreams That Burn in the Night", by Craig Strete ==<br />
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I corrected the spelling of two stories in the ToC of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11454 verified publication]: ''The Night Xenex Sanurian Took a Wallflower to the Prom'' had "Sanvrian" instead of "Sanurian", and ''We All Lived in the Warm Aquarium'' had "Live" instead of "Lived". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:25, 7 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:40, 10 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ESSAY vs NONFICTION ==<br />
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A short piece of nonfiction which is contained in a larger publication should be entered as ESSAY. The type NONFICTION is reserved for book-length works. I've changed several introductions (e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?81624 this one]) which you've entered as NONFICTION to ESSAY. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:21, 8 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for the tip, and for fixing those into listings. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:42, 10 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Notification request ==<br />
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Please don't post any messages on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs this page] without reading the notice. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:10, 11 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== A Treasury of Science Fiction - Conklin ==<br />
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Can you check your copy of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1319? Mine has a cover price of $3.00 on the dustjacket and you list $3.50. Variant, perhaps?[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 05:24, 23 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Was a typo. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:26, 31 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::The original price probably came from Tuck. I added a note about the difference. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:06, 31 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Best Science Fiction and Fantasy of the Year: Volume Seven ==<br />
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Hello, I've replaced the amazon scan and changed Paul J. McAuley to Paul McAuley for his story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?407932 this pub]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Good-Bye, Robinson Crusoe and Other Stories ==<br />
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I added notes about the publication date and story introductions to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410315 Good-Bye, Robinson Crusoe]. Also changed the publication date from 2013-04-30 (can't be true) to 2013-04-00. Hope you can agree. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 09:28, 19 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::All good edits. I didn't check the pre-existing information carefully enough when verifying & updating. Appreciate the catches. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:18, 20 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Forward" or "Foreword" ==<br />
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Please confirm the spelling of the title on pag 7 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15737 this publication]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:27, 15 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it's "Forward". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:25, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I will make a note of its unusual spelling so that other editors won't have to ask the question again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Interior artwork ==<br />
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Interior artwork should be titled the same as the work they illustrate. Do not use the term "interior artwork" in the title as that is explicit in the type of the record. Please correct the titles of the mistitled interior artwork credited to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?166485 John Polgreen] in the Willy Ley books. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:33, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Editors v. authors ==<br />
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By ISFDB standards, the editors of NONFICTION- and ANTHOLOGY-typed publications are considered the "author" of the work, unlike the editors of NOVEL- and COLLECTION-typed publications who can only be credited in the Note field. That was how the software was designed (long before most of us started working here). I suppose it was simpler to create a single field to record the credit for the one(s) who were most responsible for the work, without creating multiple fields to record individual roles for each publication. Maybe one day the software will be updated to create more fields with more finely defined roles of responsibility: editor (for novels and collections), translator, adaptor, etc. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Visitor from Outer Space'' ==<br />
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I changed the editor field credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192849 this record] from "Anonymous" to "uncredited", the ISFDB standard for an anthology which doesn't credit the editor of the work. It now matches the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?593549 title record]. If this was incorrect, and the editor is actually credited as "Anonymous" on the book's title page, please make a submission to change it back. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:21, 12 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Strange Signposts'' ==<br />
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I've changed the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33537 this record] to conform to standard ISFDB entry of the LCCN and OCLC record numbers. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:55, 17 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Art of George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice & Fire'' ==<br />
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Re: your note. You may add the interior art that you like to add. There's really no need to add all of them. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:13, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Unfettered'' ==<br />
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If you wish to remove content titles from a publication record, go to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?400295 the record] and click on the link "Remove Titles From This Pub" under the Editing Tools menu. On the next page, you have the option of removing any of the contents by checking its box. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:57, 6 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Done. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:18, 8 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Catastrophic Disruption of the Head" variant ==<br />
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Hi. I have your submission that would make {{T|1620354|this}} a variant of {{T|1403006|this}} on hold. I freely admit I could be looking right at it, but why a variant instead of merging them? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:54, 20 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::You're right, should have merged. Just took care of that. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:34, 20 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Beyond Tomorrow'' ==<br />
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Please move your primary verification to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?425111 this record]. I cloned it from the record which you had updated, which should have remained as the first printing of the title. (There's a record for the library edition at a different price). When you've PV'd the new record, remove it from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4428 the original record] to which I've restored the original data. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:55, 5 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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BTW, I noticed that the essay "More Good Reading in Science Fiction" is on page 333, while the OCLC record, the LCCN, and Reginald all give the page count as 332. Is that last page numbered? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:00, 5 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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OK, I see that the [http://lccn.loc.gov/65020251 LCCN] gives a "Bibliography" on page "[333]" which means it is unnumbered. The way to enter this situation in a record is to give the page count as "xv+333+[1]" and then give the content page number in brackets: "[333]". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:03, 5 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Interesting. Good to know. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:15, 6 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Worlds of Wonder ==<br />
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I added some notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55452 Worlds of Wonder]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:11, 8 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Great addition. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:26, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Toymaker ==<br />
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I added some words to the notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48774 The Toymaker]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:47, 12 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I've added Currey's description of first printings, plus description of another jacket variant I've got that wasn't in Chalker's list. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:11, 17 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange Worlds ==<br />
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I added some notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33570 Strange Worlds]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:12, 13 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Toymaker ==<br />
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Yes, there should be separate records for different editions of [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48774 this]] --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 17:29, 18 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover image for ''The Immortal Storm'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THMMRTLSTR1954.jpg This file] at 172 kb was over the requested limit of 150 kb. So I re-sized it to meet the standard. Please keep this size limit in mind when uploading cover image files in the future. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:11, 8 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Editor's Choice in Science Fliction'' ==<br />
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I'm holding the submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11964 this record]. We ordinarily do not create individual content records for an editor's untitled story introductions. (Imagine the thousands that have been published over the years and the ISFDB records that would have to updated if such a practice became standard.) It's usually sufficient to note the presence of such introductions in the record's Note field. Is there anything about the ones in this book which would make them extraordinary?<br />
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Also, we do not add information to Note fields which is specific to one copy of a publication, including a personal inscription. If it adds value to the record, it can be added to a Bibliographic Comments page (there's a link on each pub record that creates such a page.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:32, 8 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, I see now these pieces are NOT written by the anthology's editor but by the editor who originally purchased the story. Now I can see the value in that. I'll accept the submission, but remove the redundant "untitled" part. The parentheses already indicates that there is no title. (I'll remove the note about the inscription and leave it to you if you wish to create a comments page.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:46, 8 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, that's why I typed them all in. Glad you kept them. :) Thanks for response on the inscription. Policy makes sense. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:55, 9 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''"What Will They Think of Last"'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401840 this record], before I realized that you've credited the contents to "H. L. Gold", while the book is credited to Horace L. Gold. How is the author credited on the book's title page? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:18, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Book credit is Horace L. Gold. It's my understanding that, if I had credited all the essays to that name, then there'd be dozens of records to setup as alternate versions for the same title by H. L. Gold. That seemed like a lot of unnecessary work and a lot of unnecessary records in the database. So I figured I'd just credit them to match the existing records for all those essays. The book credit is clear, so it seemed totally unambiguous to do it that way. That said ... I'll leave it to you to decide whether to change all those authors to Horace L. Gold. Your call. Sorry about making extra work if that's what you decide. If you do that and want me to setup all the alternate listing connections to the exiting essay records, then just say so. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:56, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::It's not my call. It's an ISFDB standard to record work as credited, regardless of how much effort there may be in creating variants. I'll do it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:03, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK, I'll edit the story records. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:20, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Wow, you already did it! I hope it wasn't as much work as I thought it would be. Thanks for taking care of that, and thanks for explaining the ISFDB standard for this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:23, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Actually, I'm only about half finished. The variants have to be made and I'm still working on those. Unlike the single submission to change the author credit of each content record in the essay collection, now each of them has to be individually varianted to the original title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:29, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Something just occurred to me: since you made the author credit conform, is it possible you also made the titles conform? It's odd that each of them were exactly as the title already in the database. Even one that was titled "Editor's Page: To the Hills!", the original one of which had the column name in the title. If the titles in the collection (as they appeared on the essay's title page, not on the book's table of contents), please make corrections. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:36, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Yes, I did add "Editor's Page:" to "To the Hills!" to match, but I see you fixed that. All of the others were titled exactly as the ISFDB records, including punctuation, with the exception of "QWERTYUIOP". The ISFDB record for that is spelled with a "U" instead of "W", which I suspect is a typo but I don't have that copy of Galaxy to confirm. This has been (yet another) good learning experience. Really appreciate your attention to detail. I'll emulate in future. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::You could have posted a message on the primary verifier's talk page asking about the spelling of that piece in the magazine. I'll do that for you. Two more questions: Is "The Riches of Embarrassment" fiction or essay? There's a record in the database of a piece published in Galaxy, April 1968 with the same title verified as fiction. Also, there were two editorials with the title "Of All Things", in the issues for June 1953 and December 1959. Does the essay collection give the dates of the original essays publications so that you can confirm that the piece here is the 1953 piece? (I've already varianted it to the 1953 piece, because that's the date you gave the reprint.) Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:59, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I know you'll be glad when we're done with this entry. :) "Riches of Embarrassment" is an essay. The essays do not have individual credits, just a credit on copyright page "Copyright 1950 through 1961". However, the essay mentions a March 1958 magazine, so it must be the December 1959 version. I've edited the book listing. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:26, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::I'll need to correct the variant then. I'll ask the verifier of the April 1968 to check on "Riches..." to determine if it's the same as this essay. Can you give me the first sentence of the piece? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::It's likely they're the same, and I can see why another reader might validly consider it fiction. First sentence is, "The Costellos, two great little people well under five feet tall, had moved out of the one-bedroom apartment to the left of mine, and my neighbors and I wondered apprehensively who would move in." It's in Gold's first-person voice, and it tells an amusing mundane story about an easily offended neighbor. However, it does have a snarky SFnal denouement: "In ten years of ceaseless research, I have never found any discussion, much less theory, concerning the power that Miss McGivney clearly possessed. This can therefore be counted a First. Here it is: Using a previously unknown and unsuspected ESP faculty of the mind, Miss McGivney unconsciously manufactured embarrassing incidents." After that is a paragraph using this conceit to lampoon the neighbor, ending with "Poor world of Miss McGivney!" So, now that you know the contents, I'm curious: in ISFDB is this considered an essay or short fiction? (And at this point it won't surprise me if there actually is an official standard. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:08, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Orbit 19'' ==<br />
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You'll have to also change the dates of each of the content records in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25113 this publication]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:26, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::done [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:42, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== LCCN ==<br />
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When entering the stated Library of Congress Catalog Card, Library of Congress Catalog Number, or Library of Congress Control Number (its latest incarnation), it should be entered in the format "LCCN: xxxxxx" This will help if or when the time comes when the LCCN gets its own field, and the universal change can be made instead of having to update each publication record. I've corrected the format in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26450 this record], and linked it to the LoC's website record. Linking isn't required but very beneficial. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:27, 28 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Battle on Mercury'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?429943 this publication]: Is the piece "Life in a Dome" a nonfiction essay, or is it a fictional introduction to the story, making it part of the novel, and thus not eligible as a separate work? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:10, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::It's a nonfiction essay. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:04, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In the Wake of Man'' ==<br />
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If there is no explicit editor credit for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18137 this publication], the publication record should reflect that. If there is sufficient and strong evidence that Elwood was the anonymous editor, we can make the title into a variant credited to him. This is the ISFDB standard for crediting uncredited responsibility. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:13, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Only mention of Elwood in the book is on copyright page as copyright holder, and there is no editor credit. Seems those 2 facts would justify making it a variant so that users researching Elwood could link to this book. But it's your call. Feel free to edit, or just let me know what to do. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:20, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking the secondary sources. Nice edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:31, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've removed the editor credit from the publication record, added a note that Elwood holds the copyright, and made the editor record into a variant by Elwood. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:59, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet Earth ==<br />
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Is Wyler's <i>Planet Earth</i> speculative fiction related? It sounds like a science book, not speculative fiction related non-fiction. If so, it doesn't qualify for inclusion. Her one included non-genre non-fiction book is included as it was reviewed in a speculative fiction magazine. That doesn't seem to be the case here. Am I missing something? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:20, 20 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::OK, I wasn't clear on the boundary. Was just adding a similar pub to a listed author's record. The book has early 'space age' context and a 10-page section discussing satellites and what it would be like to travel to the moon, but it is not otherwise related to speculative fiction. Sorry to bother you with it. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:19, 20 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::No problem. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:39, 20 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Foundation'' ==<br />
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The notes you want to add to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?215633 this record] seem to apply to a later printing. If so, a new record should be created. You didn't source the change so I'm not certain if you're working from the actual edition that this record is for, or a later printing. If you think a new record should be created, cancel the submission I have on hold. Thanks. 21:58, 27 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I've got the July 1978 printing that I referenced, and I've seen other printings of the 1963 Doubleday reprint edition, both in bookshops and online. They've all got the Zimmerman jacket, and later printings have the same ISBN. Thought it made sense to add that info to the root record for first edition of the 1963 printing, then clone it to produce separate listing for my 1978 printing. But it's your call. If my edits to the 1963 record are inappropriate then please decline the edit. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:03, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::There's no such thing as a "root" publication record. Each publication record is distinct and is tied to a title record which could be considered the "root". There is no purpose in providing data in a publication record about a later printing for which you'll be creating a publication record. The record for that later printing will speak for itself. Notes should be specific to the printing for which the record was created. I'll reject the submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:06, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK. I'll add record for my July 1978 printing. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:18, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Analog 1 ==<br />
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The OCLC record you note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2535 this record] does not give 1961 as the copyright year, but the year of publication. (Also, don't forget to add a colon after "OCLC" and before the record number.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:10, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I inherited that OCLC statement from whoever setup the record, and just added the word "incorrectly" since I was verifying the publication date. I'll edit to fix per your direction. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I accepted the submission, but reverted it to show the incorrect dating of the OCLC record. If you're going to give a secondary source in the Note field, you should note any exceptions between that source and the actual book. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:15, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Analog 5'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2539 This publication] is not in a publication series. Its [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1017310 title] is in a title series. You'll have to remove the publication series from the record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:48, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::done. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:58, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Analog 6'' ==<br />
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Can you see if there is a book club id number on the back flap of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2540 this publication]'s dustjacket? It should be a four-digit number either in the high 1900s or low 2000s. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, it was there. Edited record. Thanks for catching this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:59, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Atlas Printing of From Unknown Worlds ==<br />
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I've added the price for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?292561 From Unknown Worlds]''. I've also removed the note about the price clipped jacket. Happily my copy was not clipped so I was able to provide the data. I've additionally corrected the page count (it was 128) and added an item for the interior artwork. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:37, 31 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Very much appreciated. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:24, 3 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Delany & Chaykin's ''Empire'' ==<br />
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I changed the type of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?382643 this record] from NOVEL to CHAPTERBOOK and added a content record for Delany's fiction. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:22, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Copyright date vs. Publication date ==<br />
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The ISFDB publication record provides the date of publication, not the year of copyright. If there is no '''stated''' publication date, only use the year of copyright after all secondary sources have been exhausted. If you do so, note that the date is from the copyright statement, because of the lack of a publication statement. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:52, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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The source for the 1958 date of ''Teen-Age Super Science Stories'' was probably [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t38.htm#A828 Locus1]. Tuck and the LCCN give the year as 1957, so I've accepted the submissions. I'll update the record to note the source of the date. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:57, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I will have to reject your submission to clone the original pub, because it was submitted before the ones changing the date of the contents were accepted. If I accept the clone submission, all of the stories' dates will revert to 1958. Keep this in mind when making simultaneous submissions that contain changes in content records. Also, are you certain that the Grosset & Dunlap edition came out the same year as the Lantern Press edition? According to Tuck, the discounted edition was published in 1958, although he doesn't credit Grosset as the publisher. As I said above, if your book doesn't have an explicit statement of publication, you must use a reliable secondary source. If there is no source, and knowing this was published by another publisher in the year of copyright, it is better to just zero out the date to have it displayed as "unknown". Grosset & Dunlap books, to the best of my knowledge, rarely gave a publication date, as they reprinted "cheap" editions of titles. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:08, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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To avoid your having to rebuild another submission, I'll do that from the data you provided in the rejected clone submission. Here is the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?433460 new record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:10, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for corrections and explanations. Every edit is a learning opportunity. :) FWIW, I don't have a copy of Tuck, so went with the 1957 copyright date. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:28, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::You can update the record's date and give Tuck as the source. Or zero it out, based on the fact that it was published in the same year by another publisher. If you need to look up anything in Tuck, leave a message on my talk page. No problem. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:26, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Publication dates from various sources ==<br />
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If a book provides a publication date, then unless we believe there's a printing error of some sort or that the book is reprinting an earlier edition's statement of printing, what we see printed in the book trumps what other sources say. So I think for {{P|25124|Orbit 8}}, December from the dust jacket's 7012 should be used instead of Contento's October. The only question would be whether yours could be a later printing. I will see if the other moderators have an opinion about changing the date (which then would also affect the dates on the stories). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:43, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Two firm opinions agreeing with me, so I will change the date to December (your notes already cover the situation nicely). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:14, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Paul Lehr / ''Orbit 9'' ==<br />
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I accepted your changes to {{P|25125|Orbit 9}}, but I restored the Paul Lehr cover art credit based on the notes from the 1971 Berkley Medallion edition that has the same cover artwork. There someone found confirmation of the artist in Jane Frank's ''Science Fiction and Fantasy Artists of the Twentieth Century''. I copied that note into the notes in this edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:56, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I really didn't want to delete the Lehr reference because it's obviously his artwork. I'm delighted that you could document the attribution. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:02, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Red Mars'' excerpt ==<br />
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Is the excerpt titled "Festival Night (excerpt from Red Mars)" on page 47 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23493 this publication]? Or is it simply "Festival Night"? If this is the first publication of this excerpt under this title, it should have the date of the publication in which it was first published (April 1995), not the date of the work from which it was excerpted. Although this may not be specifically documented in the help pages, it is my belief that the fact that it is a new title that it deserves to be dated when first published as this title. If the excerpt had the same title of the work, then there would be a stronger case for dating them the same. If you disagree, please start a discussion on the Rules & Standards discussion page. Also, I rejected the submission to change the publication record. If you change a title record, it is automatically changed in the publication record, so there's no need to do two submissions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:18, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:As always, thanks for the coaching on ISFDB standards. In Nebula Awards 29, the title page, and the story title on page 47, says "Festival Night from Red Mars". The copyright acknowledgment is, "'Festival Night,' an excerpt from the novel 'Red Mars' ...." It appears whoever entered the ISFDB record for trade paper of Nebula Awards 29 added the parentheses around "from Red Mars". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:34, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::If the "from Red Mars" part is in a different size font and/or on a different line it's considered a subtitle and should be entered as "Festival Night: from Red Mars". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:52, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::"from" is in different font and "Red Mars" is same font as "Festival Night" except italicized. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:10, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Nebula Awards 29'' ==<br />
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Sorry I had to reject your submission which updated [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23494 this record] because it would have taken too much work to merge all of the newly created content records with the ones that are already in the database. (I'm also sorry for the time you took in entering all of those contents unnecessarily.) The best way to handle such a situation is to remove all titles from the record, and then import the contents from the record which contains as close as possible to the contents in the one you're working on. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23493 This one] for example. I'll do that for you and then let you make any changes to match your publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:47, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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BTW, according to the OCLC record, this book has xii+307 pages, and also published under the Harvest imprint. If so, the publisher should be given as "Harvest / Harcourt Brace". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:50, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Same situation with the imprint used for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23495 Nebula Awards 30]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:53, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I'm holding a submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23498 Nebula Awards 32], another one in which again you're adding content for records already in the database (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23499 this record]). Please let me know if you understand the import procedure which I'm talking about. I can walk you through the process if necessary. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:05, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::You say "content ... already in the database", but the titles I added were not (still are not) in the hardcover listing I was editing. Since there were just a few titles missing, I thought it faster to add them rather than delete all & import all. For titles I added, I tried to enter exactly as in the trade paper listing by doing cut-and-paste from the Title data. (If you spotted any variance from the canonical Title data, then those would be typos I need to correct.) I've never used the "Import Content" tool, but sure I can figure it out. Let me know if there's a reason to use it versus the process I followed. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:29, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::They may not be in the publication record, but the titles you are adding '''are''' already in the database: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1056010 Keeping Up] by Elizabeth Hand; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1056011 Must Have Been Something I Ate] by Lucius Shepard; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1056012 Interactive Science Fiction: 1996] by Keith Ferrell; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1056013 The British Scene (Nebula Awards 32)] by Ian Watson, etc. etc. By adding another identical title record to the database, you have to make another submission to merge them. Doing the importing of these titles to another publication record, you can avoid the follow-up submissions. And each merge requires a separate submission. That means you'll have to make nine more submissions to "fix" this record, when importing them would have taken only two submissions: remove and import. If there were only a couple of duplicate titles, it would be easier to use the new "Import Titles" function, where you can list the title record numbers of each of the titles to be duplicated. But when there are as many as nine records to import, I think the procedure I've explained would be better. Regardless, I'm going to accept the submission, and then ask you to merge the records. This may help you see why the method I explain is the better choice. I'm not saying you CAN'T add duplicate titles. I'm just trying to explain an easier way to do it. Personally, I'd rather not have to deal with accepting multiple submissions when only one or two would have done the same thing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:57, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::NOW I get it. :) Thanks for your patience. I've merged all the new records I created. I really appreciate the coaching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:26, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I did the "delete all" & "import contents" process for http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23508. I'll complete editing the record once those edits are accepted ... or you let me know if I did something wrong. Thanks for your patience. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:09, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Very good. Thank you. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:57, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Amidst all of the others, perhaps you overlooked my question about the page count and the imprint. I see you've removed Harvest as the imprint used on these Nebula Award anthologies, while most of the OCLC records indicate them as "A Harvest Original". Can you re-check to see that this is not the case in your copies? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:17, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::"Harvest" is an imprint Harcourt uses for paperback and trade paper editions. I've got 4 Harcourt trade paper Nebula Awards books. Numbers 20 & 22 say "A Harvest/HBJ Book" on the back, and "Harcourt Brace Jovanovich" on back, title page & copyright page. Numbers 31 & 33 say "A Harvest Original" on back and title page, and "Harcourt Brace & Company" on back, title page, and copyright page. In ISFDB, for 20 & 22 I entered "Harcourt Brace Jovanovich", following the examples of trade paper editions of Nebula 20-26 (excepting un-verified 23, which uses "Harvest/HBJ".) For 31, I entered "Harvest/Harcourt Brace" following the examples of Nebula 32-33. (BTW, I believe the hardcover Nebula 33 probably has incorrect publisher, since I've never seen "Harvest" used on a hardcover Harcourt book.) FWIW, I checked all the Publisher listings in ISFDB for "Harvest", but didn't see any consistent pattern in how the 5 Harvest/Harcourt variants are used. Given this info (and apologies if it's TMI), I'll be glad to edit my verified books any way you think appropriate. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:28, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::The rule of thumb is to use the publisher as stated on the title page. In the case of some publishers who publish simultaneous hardcover and trade paperback editions (like Harcourt's Nebula volumes), the trade paperback may have a different imprint. If that's the case, then use the ISFDB standard of "Imprint / Publisher". I see there are currently three different variants of the Harvest imprint in the database: published by HBJ (1977 - 1992), Harvest / Harcourt Brace (1993 - 2000), and Harcourt (1999-2008). If any of your verified pubs are trade paperbacks, please check to see if any fall within this range and use the appropriate imprint. If they are hardcovers, use the publisher as stated on the title page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Foreword to ''Brave New World'' ==<br />
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Hi, I have found a possible hint that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363765 your edition] may actually be from 1949. In my edition Huxley's Foreword has the signum '1949 A. H.' at its end. Could you please take a look if that is the case here? Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:37, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Interesting. Mine has no signum at end of Foreword. It's possible you've got a 1949 edition with updated Foreword. Here are some 'points' on my copy:<br />
::- On front jacket "a new edition of a famous novel with a special introduction by the author"<br />
::- From blurb on back flap of dust jacket: "... in his foreword written especially for this edition ....", "He notes that fifteen years ago ....", "... the foreshadowed possibilities of fifteen years ago ...."<br />
::- Ad on back of dust jacket for Huxley's book 'Ape and Essence' begins, "Sixteen years ago Aldous Huxley's Brave New World was a literary bomb ...."<br />
::- Opening sentence of Foreword: "Chronic remorse , as all the moralists are agreed, is a most undesirable sentiment."<br />
::- Beginning of last paragraph of Foreword on page xix: "All things considered it looks as though Utopia were far closer to us than anyone, only fifteen years ago, could have imagined."<br />
::- Closing sentence of Foreword: "You pays your money and you takes your choice."<br />
:If your copy differs from any of these points, or from any of the other info about mine in the ISFDB record, then you should enter as a new edition. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:55, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, my edition isn't from that early at all, but the notion "Sixteen years ago Aldous Huxley's Brave New World was a literary bomb ...." does indeed speak for a later publication than 1946, since the novel was first published in 1932, doesn't it? Also, ''Ape and Essence'' was published only in 1948, which is also a clear hint for later publication (they wouldn't place an ad two years in advance). The copyright really is only the year the copyright was assigned and has nothing to do with the year of publication per se. In this light (taking the notion of 1949 for the Foreword into consideration) a publication year of 1949 seems all to reasonable, I think (still pretty early!). And I do believe that this is the first edition featuring the specially written Foreword. Shall I adapt the publication (and the title record for the Foreword)? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:06, 2 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Good points. I hadn't checked publication date of 'Ape and Essence'. So I agree my book was likely published in 1948 or later. But how do we explain the fact it does not have a signum on the Foreword like yours? Does your book have all the points I listed? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:50, 3 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Well, at some point later in time it must have been a possible need (for Huxley or the publisher) to mark that this Foreword wasn't part of the original publication in 1932. So this signum was added to emphasize it was written and/or published in 1949. I'll try to capture our state of knowledge in the publication's notes. Please take a look if it is to your liking. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Good edits. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:59, 4 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Analog 2'' ==<br />
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Can you check to see if there is a gutter code present in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2536 this edition]? It should be visible in the gutter of the last page of text or one of the preceding pages. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:54, 27 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:No gutter code in my copy. However, it has been re-bound by a library, omitting any pages which might have followed page 275 and its blank reverse, so it's possible there's a gutter code on an un-numbered page after 275. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:56, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Darn! Guess it didn't hurt to ask. Thanks anyway. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:37, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Atomic Story'' ==<br />
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In contrast with the cover credit, is the author credited as a "Jr." on the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274217 this book]? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:18, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. No "Jr" on title page, either. It appears only once, in first use of Campbell's name on back of dust jacket. All other appearances of his name are sans "Jr". FWIW, the bio info on jacket downplays SF editing and refers to him as a "science writer", so omission of "Jr" appears intentional. Any recommended editing sequence to correcting the title record and the book record, and connecting them back to the canonical Campbell record? (Or, is this something you might do quicker than me? :) ) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:01, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::It is a multi-submission process, so it would be quicker if I did it. If you ever want to try your hand at it, here are the steps:<br />
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::*If there were more than one publication attached to the title record, or if it were a container type record (ANTHOLOGY, COLLECTION, OMNIBUS), you'd have to make another submission to "Unmerge" this publication record from its title record. <br />
::*Once the first submission has been moderated, you go to its title record and create a variant title record using the "Make This Title A Variant Title" function, replacing the credited author's name with canonical author's name in the Author1 Field at the bottom of the variant screen. Submit.<br />
::[[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:46, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the Canadian price to your verified ==<br />
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I added the Canadian price to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410432].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:13, 23 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Strange Ports of Call'' ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to change the Price field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33526 this record]. Shouldn't the stated price be given and then the stickered price be noted? (That's ordinarily the ISFDB standard.) In any event, it should be discussed with the other primary verifier '''before''' making a submission to change it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:46, 26 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I see you left a message [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs here], but if you will read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace the verifier's notification preference] you'll see that page is to notify him if you've "added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES..." Any other changes to data fields should be posted on his talk page, and, as I said above, before submitting a change. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:50, 26 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Posted note to http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace. I'm not clear on your comment that the $4.00 price printed on the jacket should be "given" and the $3.75 price which is often found stamped on the jacket should be "noted". Thought that's what I did. Can you please clarify ... or, if easier, just fix my edit? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:29, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::By "given" I meant entered into the ISFDB record's Price field. By "noted" I meant that it should be entered into the ISFDB record's Note field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:14, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::The only thing that gives me pause about the edit is that Tuck lists the price as $3.75. Unfortunately, neither Currey nor Contento mention the price at all. My copy is clipped with the stamped price, as you describe. Because of the Tuck listing I could speculate that the intent was to sell the book at $3.75 with the %4.00 price being a misprint. However, that's purely speculation. I don't really have a problem with the edit, but we should probably expand the note stating the price in Tuck. After Michael approves the edit, I can further expand the notes and mention that my copy has the altered price. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:41, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'll accept the submission, but believe that the stated price should be the entered into the Price field. But it's not my record. I'll let you two decide, but make sure the notes make everything clear. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:16, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Just submitted an edit to Notes with reference to Tuck. Agree it's not clear which price to put in price field. However, even if the $4.00 price was a mistake, that's what P&C printed on the jacket, and there are instances of the book with un-clipped jackets, so it seems clear the $3.75 price followed the $4.00 price. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:17, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I remembered a few more places to research this, but unfortunately it muddies things a bit more. Derleth's own [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1358178 bibliography] lists this book with the $3.75 price. The review in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281181 Spring 1948] issue of ''The Arkham Sampler'' has the #4.00 price, whereas the review in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60718 November 1948] issue of ''Startling Stories'' has the $3.75 price. I have one other of the reviews (from ''Amazing'') but it doesn't have the price. I'm going to expand the notes. I don't have a problem with the $4.00 price in the metadata field. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:15, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Design ==<br />
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I've never seen dustjacket art credited in the interior of the book as "Design by..." as you've noted in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35919 this record]. It always means the book design, not the dustjacket design. Is there cover art credit on the dustjacket itself? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:22, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I have the same concerne with the cover art credit you've given in all of the last set of submissions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:25, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Reason I was submitting these edits are (1) I'd previously submitted 3 edits with art by Sidney Solomon noting "Design by Sidney Solomon", and they had been accepted; and (2) I noted that the art on all these jackets designed by Sidney Solomon are clearly by the same artist when you look at them side-by-side. However, if the ISFDB standard is "designed by ..." may not be used as art credit, then I'll go back and edit all of these to leave the artist blank. Your call. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:36, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::I've deleted all art credits I'd submitted based on "Designed by". I apologize for making you do all this extra work. Note that the only "Sidney Solomon" art credit left is http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42862, which is not my edit or verification. FWIW, I do have a copy of that book, and its only credit for Sidney Solomon is "Designed by". FWIW, that's why I originally entered a Sidney Solomon art credit for my BCE. In any case, thanks for the guidance on this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:01, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'll accept the submissions to remove the credit and ask the verifier of the last credit about his reasoning for giving Solomon cover art credit. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:28, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::I see that you didn't move the credit to the Note field to acknowledge the book's design credit. It's not required, but it might be a good idea in this case to avoid any future conflict in credit. Your call. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:30, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Saliva Tree and Other Strange Growths ==<br />
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Does the word <i>Strange</i> appear on the title page of [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46442 this]] edition? A [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Bluesman#The_Saliva_Tree_by_Aldiss discussion]] about the Sphere editions shows it's there on a false title page but not the real title page [in the paperbacks]. Thanks for checking. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 04:53, 28 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes. The full subtitle "and other strange growths" is not on the half-title page, but it IS on the title page, and the jacket front, and the jacket flap. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:45, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover Image for "Away from the Here and Now", by Clare Winger Harris ==<br />
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The cover image for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3412 Away from the Here and Now] is (was) an impressive 1367 X 1534 pixels large. The ISFDB standards limit cover images to be at most 600 pixels in either direction, so I have scaled the picture (presumably from you) to the standard size and replaced the previous image. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:31, 7 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I posted a handful of uncompressed images in my early days on ISFDB, but don't have records to find and fix. Appreciate you fixing this one. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:45, 7 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: If you wanted to check, on the main "isfdb.org" page, menu bar on the left, the last item under the first section ("Logged in as") is "My Primary Verifications". If you go to that page, it will show you all of the verifications you've done. The list is deliberately in chronological order, oldest first, because many of us have wanted to go back at look at those early attempts and re-consider whether we did them right. It's a bit of work, but I know in my own case that doing that helped me clean up a bunch of mistakes I made that the moderators didn't catch. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:55, 7 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Hunting of the Snark" ==<br />
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Hi. I believe your proposed 1876 MacMillan hardcover duplicates {{P|356426|this entry}}. I have the submission on hold. See what you think. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:29, 10 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Thanks. Hadn't seen it in the chapbooks section. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:01, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Glass Future" ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1674116 this record]: we now have a dedicated field in the title record which creates a direct link from the ISFDB record when you give the full URL of the webpage. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:21, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Derleth's Beachheads in Space ==<br />
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Several of the stories in Derleth's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3779 Beachheads in Space]'' are listed with the incorrect title or form of the author's name. I am changing the following:<br />
*"The Star" that we have by "David H. Keller, M.D." should be by David H. Keller<br />
*"Beachhead" that we have by "Clifford D. Simak" should be by Clifford Simak<br />
*"Meteor" that we have by "John Beynon" should be by John Beynon Harris<br />
*"And the Walls Came Tumbling Down" should have an ellipsis at the end of the title.<br />
*"The Ambassadors from Venus" that we have by "Kendall Foster Crossen" should be by Kendell Foster Crossen, though the misspelling exists in the table of contents. The name is correct on the title page.<br />
*"To People a New World" that we have by "Nelson S. Bond" should be by Nelson Bond<br />
I'll go ahead an make the changes. Let me know if you disagree or have any questions about any of them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 05:44, 24 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:08, 24 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Away From the Here and Now", by Clare Winger Harris ==<br />
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I added a couple of notes to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3412 verified book], and corrected the name of one story from "Menace from Mars" to "Menace of Mars". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:21, 14 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Good additions. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Marooned on Mars ==<br />
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Hi, Could you please check whether your verified copy of {{P|181641|Marooned on Mars}} is indeed #5 in the Winston Science Fiction series, as is suggested on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Science_Fiction Wikipedia] and given on [http://www.librarything.com/work/791918 LibraryThing]?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:29, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:it is likely #5 since there are 4 other Winston titles listed on back: Son of the Stars, Five Against Venus, Find the Feathered Serpent, and Earthbound. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:26, 18 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Rocket Jockey ==<br />
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Hi, same kind of request, now for {{P|28402|Rocket Jockey}} by 'Philip St. John', aka Lester del Rey. It would be #7 of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Series:Winston_Science_Fiction Winston Scence Fiction Series], according to [http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/Winston+Science+Fiction LibraryThing].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:28, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:It's definitely one of the first 10 since published in 1952, but all 10 of the 1952 Winston's are listed on back of jacket, so no evidence that it's #7. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:27, 18 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Conditionally Human'': novelette and/or novella? ==<br />
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Re: Walter M. Miller, Jr.'s SHORTFICTION published [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55704 here]. Do you have the opportunity to take a look if there's a note that this is an expansion of its first publication in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58498 Galaxy]? There it might have been a novelette, but judging from the length in your verified book and later publications it surely is a NOVELLA at least from that time on. Alas, both of the primary verifiers of the issue of Galaxy aren't active anymore (and one of them probably installed the NOVELETTE length). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:14, 27 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:The editors' intro confirms "minor or even major revisions" by the authors to "most" of the stories, with one (they don't say which) getting "a substantial new episode". (I'll add the full quote to the book's listing.) Using the magazine info in isfdb I compared magazine vs book page counts for the 5 stories, and from that data it looks feasible that both Leinster's story (79% more pages in book) and 'Conditionally Human' (91% more pages) were lengthened from novelette to novella. By comparison, the other 3 stories gained 28%, 22% and 35%. Of course, I can't verify the magazine page counts, so this data is suspect. However, it seems the additional data from later publications of Miller's story should be sufficient to change it to a novella variant. As you've probably already checked, Contento lists both the Leinster and the Miller as novelettes. I'll be interested to see what you decide. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:33, 29 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:FWIW I checked the intros & story credits in the other 2 Bleiler & Dikty "Year's Best Science Fiction Novels", and found no mentions of stories being modified. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:07, 29 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: Roberson in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347523 this reference book] indicates that the novella was "slightly revised" for its inclusion in the collection. The wording also seems to point to a novella lenght in both cases. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 19:39, 29 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thank you very much to both of you. I'll install an informational item on the Community Portal. A similar case will there be made for Miller, Jr.'s ''The Darfsteller''. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:47, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::I wouldn't recommend comparing a magazine publication with a book publication to determine word count. First, many magazine stories are continued in the later pages of the issue. Second, many magazines have smaller fonts, and double columns. In the case of "Conditionally Human" in ''Galaxy'', thirty-four pages could very well contain more than 17,500 words. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:58, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::I just did an estimated word count of "Conditionally Human" as it was published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188177 this collection] using [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlVjb2fstclQcE5xdU8xeFViM3UtcnZOSlNFa1FjYXc#gid=0 Swfritter's word count calculator], and it came to over 21,000 words. Even accounting for this story being heavy with dialogue, this would definitely be a novella. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:09, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Image upload problem ==<br />
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What was the trouble with the uploading of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BYNDTASPC1950.jpg this image]? Did you perhaps forget to clear your cache and the original image kept appearing each time you uploaded it? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:39, 29 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:I see what happened now. The image linked to the record had a different URL, and you assumed it would replace it automatically. That only happens when the URLs are the same. But I see you saw that too and changed the URL to the new image. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:51, 29 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::yep :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:27, 29 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: 15 ==<br />
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For {{P|35708|The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: 15}} does the title page state "15" or "Fifteenth Series" as per the cover? If the title page matches the cover, then the record's title should be updated. If the title pages doesn't match the cover, then it is good to add a note to the publication to avoid future questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:28, 3 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. It's "Fifteenth Series" on jacket, book cover, half-title page, and title page. Made the change. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:41, 3 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Masterpieces of Science Fiction'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21649 this publication]: Please make the date field match the publication date given in the note field, or vice versa (1966 or 1967). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:27, 4 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Missed that. Thanks for catch. Fixed it in publication & title records. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:53, 4 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ISBNs ==<br />
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Are you certain that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40972 this 2001 publication] has an ISBN-13 and not an EAN? If it's just a number above a barcode, it is not the ISBN-13 which wasn't created until 2005. If it does state ISBN-13, then you have a later printing. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:13, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:You are correct, it's on the barcode. It's used by booksellers on ABE as ISBN. Since there's an incorrect ISBN on the copyright page, thought I should enter the ISBN used on ABE. I'm not clear on ISFDB standard in this situation, so please edit as appropriate. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:20, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Are your certain that the ISBN on the copyright page is incorrect? It comes up with plenty of hits on [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=30&isbn=1886778213&recentlyadded=all&sortby=17&sts=t&x=0&y=0 ABEbooks.com] and that's the number listed on the publisher's website, and in the [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/49605342 OCLC record]. What about it is incorrect? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:17, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, the ISFDB standard is to record the ISBN as stated in the publication, with the one on the copyright page having precedence over the one on the dustjacket or cover (if they don't agree). If it's an invalid ISBN (as opposed to an "incorrect" number), you can add the number sign (#) before it so that the checksum error warning doesn't display on the record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:20, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::You're right. I've corrected the record. FWIW, I made a 'cut and paste' error when I searched the ISBN. Apologies for wasting your time on this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:35, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== This Island Earth - Raymond F. Jones ==<br />
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Added artist credit, publication date and some links to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51097 This Island Earth].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 03:29, 19 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:44, 19 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Best SF Two'' ==<br />
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The submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4150 this record] made no visible changes in the data. What were you attempting to do? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:00, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Updated image. For some reason yesterday's upload didn't post, so I uploaded again, and cut-and-paste the URL just to be sure. Record is now correct. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:28, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::You don't have to "update" a publication record to change the URL if you've uploaded a new version of the cover image file. The URL doesn't change. The reason it "didn't post" or wasn't visible was because you didn't refresh the page. Unlike many websites, the ISFDB doesn't auto-refresh pages if there's been a change in the page. That must be done manually by the user (usually hitting "F5" will do it). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:13, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Looking at the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BESTSF1C1956.jpg wiki page for the image file], you should be able to see that there was no need to do a second upload of the image file. If you click on the date/time fields of the three uploaded files (under '''File History'''), you'll see that both images you uploaded are identical. Just remember to re-fresh your cache, or you will always see the original file which was loaded into it when you first went to the page. (Unless you've set your browser's preferences to never keep copies of web pages in its cache.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good info. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Astounding'' essay variants ==<br />
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Hi. Questions about two of your make-variant submissions, which I have on hold:<br />
* One submission would make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1738914 this] a variant of an identically worded and credited new parent title. I can't tell which part of that is mistaken.<br />
* The other submission would make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1738915 this] a variant of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?921955 this]. That's indeed worded differently, but I see in looking at the two containing publications that one is supposedly a facsimile reprint of the other. If that's true, I'd expect the titles would be identical in each, since it's a facsimile. I'm thinking you and Ron should see if the title should be credited the same way in each (and so merged, instead of varianted).<br />
Let me know what you think. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:49, 12 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Need your help on this one. This book http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3250 contains a photographic reprint of the contents of this magazine http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57507, so my goal is to merge the content title listings so that both the book and magazine are shown when looking at one of these content titles (for example, like this http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?132348.) What appears to be causing the trouble with the two you note is that Campbell's contents are credited to 'The Editor'. They don't show up in John Campbell's listing so I can't use the 'Check for Duplicate Titles' editing tool. That's why I used the 'variant title' tool. I'm also unclear on whether Campbell articles credited to 'The Editor' are supposed to show up on John Campbell's listing; some do, and some don't, so I can't spot the ISFDB standard. I'd welcome guidance. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:57, 15 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::If the book is a photographic copy, all credits for the original ''Astounding'' material should be the same as those in the magazine (but don't blindly follow the magazine entry; see below). Remember we go by how the works are credited in the material itself. Now, where a piece is credited to The Editor, but something then tells us who The Editor actually is, what we do is make a variant of the "The Editor"-credited material to a title with the same wording but credited to the actual canonical person (John W. Campbell, Jr.). So [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?132348 your example] is not done correctly. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57507 magazine] has "Addenda" credited to The Editor, and then has that a variant of it credited to John W. Campbell, Jr. The "as by" in the content display:<br />
::<pre> • 6 • Addenda • [Editorial (Astounding)] • essay by John W. Campbell, Jr. [as by The Editor ]</pre><br />
::tells us its original credit in the publication. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3250 facsimile reprint], however, has "Addenda" credited to John W. Campbell, Jr., not to The Editor:<br />
::<pre> • 6 • Addenda • [Editorial (Astounding)] • (1939) • essay by John W. Campbell, Jr.</pre><br />
::One of these must be wrong.<br />
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::So, what should you do? If what you see in the book does not agree with what has been entered for the magazine, you should double-check with the magazine's verifier, [[User_talk:Rkihara|Rkihara]]. Everyone makes data entry mistakes, and perhaps something was entered incorrectly there. For the specific "Addenda" example, if it is credited to "The Editor" in your book, then you should use "Remove Titles From This Pub" to remove it, and you should use "Import Content" to bring in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?202411 this one]. By the way, using "Import Content" would have let you make the book use the exact same contents as the magazine (you can import entire contents or individual titles). For ones you have entered that you want to merge, where Check for Duplicates or Show All Titles is too overwhelming, use "Title Search Form" section of Advanced Search: put in the title, use the "AND" option, and put The Editor and choose Author as the second field. That will find you matching titles and will let you merge. If you find a The Editor-credited one that is known to have been done by Campbell, but there's no existing variant, then you'd make one to a new parent having John W. Campbell, Jr.<br />
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::For the two I have on hold, the "In Times to Come" variant should be cancelled. You should make a variant to a new parent, credited to Campbell, Jr. And you should do a merge of the The Editor-credited ones (there are two at the moment). Do one of the two things first, wait for acceptance, then do the other. The second one, too, should be cancelled. You should come to an agreement with Ron about how the entry should be worded, then one should be fixed to match the other and both should be merged. If one or the other is worded correctly, you can actually "fix" and merge at the same time by merging and keeping the wording that is agreed to be correct (use the "note to the moderator" to warn the reviewing moderator you're keeping the correct wording, since a merge of two different wordings can look like a mistake).<br />
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::I hope that helps. If you have any questions or problems, just ask. [[User_talk:Rkihara|Rkihara]] is also a moderator and quite active, so asking him about specific entries in things he has verified could lead to his doing some things quickly that otherwise might take multiple submission + approval cycles. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:20, 15 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Incredibly informative & helpful. Thanks! There was a pre-existing listing for the hardcover reprint, and it had some differences from Ron's listing for the original magazine. Unlike Ron's, the hardcover listing had separate titles for each letter in Brass Tacks, which looks desirable since there are some early fan letters by well known authors. Otherwise, the contents in Ron's listing are superior and authoritative. Therefore, here's what I'd like to do:<br />
::::1. Cancel the 2 previous submissions. (done)<br />
::::2. In my hardcover listing, delete all the titles which are also in Ron's magazine listing.<br />
::::3. Import the contents from Ron's magazine listing.<br />
::::4. For contents by "The Editor" which are not connected to Campbell, do as you've recommended and create a Campbell listing then connect both Editor versions to it.<br />
::::5. Post a note to Ron's page pointing to this conversation and suggesting he import the individual letter listings from the hardcover listing into his magazine listing.<br />
:::Please let me know if you're OK with this, or if there's a better approach. And, again, thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:28, 15 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'd say start with #5, in case Ron has some further suggestions or wants to take some actions. The rest sounds fine, although for #2 and #3, merging what's already entered would require fewer steps than removing, deleting, and importing. But whichever way you feel most comfortable with will get you to the same place. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:35, 16 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Frank R. Paul collection ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420238 this publication]: Can you confirm that the three pieces are credited to "Anonymous" or are they simply "uncredited"? Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:43, 9 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:They were uncredited, but authorship of the book is credited to Jerry Weist so attributed to him. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Acknowledgments ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?450572 this record]: We ordinarily don't create content records for acknowledgments unless it is an actual essay and not just a list of thank yous. Could that be said of the content you added to this record? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]<br />
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:It's in the form of an essay, with more than just a list of thank yous. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:31, 5 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Proposed Modification to a record you verified ==<br />
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Hello. You verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55353 this], and per our courtesy rules I am asking for your comments on my proposal to change the title from "The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other SF Novelets" to "The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other Novelets from Galaxy". I look forward to your input. Thanks! --[[User:Steeltown Jim|Steeltown Jim]] 22:27, 3 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:I have accepted the submission based on the OCLC record which gives the extended title. If this is not the title atated on the title page, please make a submission to change it back. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:10, 4 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Good change. I should have caught that when I edited the stub. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:31, 5 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Stranger ==<br />
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I have changed the credit of {{T|1143147|The Stranger}} to "L. E. Modesitt" (no ", Jr.") based on ISFDB standards of crediting as shown on the story title page. I'm assuming your verified {{P|435699|signed edition}} matches the {{P|324986|unsigned edition}} in this regard. If not, let me know here and I'll separate the records and restore the ", Jr." on your version. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:05, 16 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Thanks. The "Jr" is everywhere else (contents, copyright & limitation pages plus jacket front & blurb) but not the story's title page. Just a comment: the ISFDB standard certainly makes sense as a tie-breaker, but perhaps not so well for a 'heavily out-voted' outlier which is an apparent typo. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:50, 16 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== A Pictorial History of Science Fiction ==<br />
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Can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308366 this verified pub] again? The notes say 'No printed price', but on the front flap of my copy's dustjacket is the statement 'UK Price £3.95'. If the dustjackets are different I'll add a note about this. Thanks for checking, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 08:32, 11 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Interesting. No price anywhere on jacket of my copy. Could mean mine's the US edition and yours is UK. Here are some other points to compare:<br />
::- boards: black cloth embossed in silver on spine<br />
::- "Printed in Holland" on back flap, and "Printed by Smeets, Holland" on copyright page.<br />
::- publisher's cities on copyright page are "London - New York - Sydney - Toronto", and address is "Astronaut House, Feltham, Middlesex, England".<br />
::- ISBN on copyright page and back flap.<br />
:If you decide we should enter a variant, then suggest that you edit the current record, and I clone it to create US variant. But your call. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:45, 16 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::As far as I know, there was no US variant. The UK printing was distributed in the US (I have a copy of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204929 second impression], which was purchased in a retail store in the US.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK. I've restored my verification, made no edits. Thanks for adding the note about dustjacket variants. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:41, 16 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Space Movies'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the title as given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430227 this record] reflects the title given on its title page? According to [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/34191665 OCLC] the title is ''Space Movies: Classic Science Fiction Films''. Thanks for checking. BTW, I've deleted the record for a separate US edition. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:14, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:I didn't make that change because wasn't sure which of these was definitive:<br />
::- Title page: subtitle "Classic Science Fiction Films"<br />
::- Half-title page: no subtitle<br />
::- Copyright page: no subtitle<br />
::- Spine of book: no subtitle<br />
::- Jacket: subtitle "Classic Science Fiction"<br />
:Based on your comment, I'll add the subtitle from the title page. Thanks for deleting that 'US edition'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:25, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::ISFDB standard: the title on the title page, including subtitles, trumps the titles that appear anywhere else in the publication and should be used in the Title field of a publication record. The Title field of the publication record does not have to exactly match the Title field of the title record. That title should be the ''canonical title''. For example, the title page of ''The Courts of Chaos'' may give it as ''The Courts of Chaos: An Amber Novel'', which should be used in the Title field of the publication record, but not in the Title field of the title record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:09, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Pseudonym and variant functions ==<br />
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When making an author into a pseudonym, it is important to variant all of the titles under that pseudonym to ones credited to the canonical author. I've done that for you in the case of N. C. Hanger / Nancy C. Hanger. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:12, 3 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:00, 3 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Teen-Age Super Science Stories ==<br />
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You verified the author of {{p|433460|Teen-Age Super Science Stories}} as Richard M. Elam, Jr. The cover shows Richard M. Elam. Does the title page have Richard M. Elam or Richard M. Elam, Jr.? --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 08:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, "Jr." is on title page of book. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:49, 26 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: Thank you. I added a note to the publication record about that. While adding the note I noticed a minor discrepancy which is "There are 25 "Teen Age Library" titles listed inside FFEP, ending with this book." The problem is, this publication is #27 implying there should be 26 and not 25 titles listed. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 01:24, 29 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::Added a note that the title list inside book omits two titles from jacket back. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:19, 29 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of the Steet'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?276680 this record]: While Edgeworks Abbey is an imprint of The Kilimanjaro Corporation (i.e. Harlan Ellison), Severn House has been around for decades as a British publisher. Also, it's very likely this is a phantom record, as it appears that there was one edition which was distributed in both the US and the UK (based on your notes). If you can't substantiate proof that there were two separate editions, I would suggest deleting one record and verifying the one remaining. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:34, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree that there should be only one record. Let's keep the one I just edited, and delete the other one. Thanks for catch on 'Kilimanjaro'. Didn't know that, and misinterpreted the info on copyright page. I'll clean up the note. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:18, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Serpent's Egg'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm the spelling of the bonus story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273776 this publication]? It's being reprinted in a new Lafferty collection as "Grey Ghost: A Reminiscence". (The note also spells it as "Grey..." instead of "Gray...") Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:04, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Confirmed: on the story's title page, page 167, and on the limitation page, the title is "Gray Ghost, A Reminiscence". I've submitted a correction for my mis-spelling of limitation page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:16, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for the change. In the meantime, I confirmed that the reprint is also titled "Gray..." [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:26, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Periodical page counts ==<br />
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It is ISFDB standard to include the covers for publications typed as MAGAZINE or FANZINE. That's why I'm holding your record to change the page count of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253460 this issue] from 132 to 131. If you include the covers in the count, most periodicals have a page count in a multiple of 4. If you conclude that the submission was in error, please cancel it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:33, 15 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, then page count should be 132. Easiest if you accept my edit, then I'll correct the page count (or you're welcome to correct it.) Thanks for clarifying the standard for magazines. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:46, 15 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I didn't see that you'd also added notes. (Once I saw the page count change I didn't go any further!) I've accepted the submission and reverted the page count. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:50, 15 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Lightspeed ==<br />
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I'm holding a submission to '''update''' (not clone) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?453370 this publication record], changing its title, changing it from a MAGAZINE to an ANTHOLOGY, changing its price, and adding five additional editors. I actually think you have the same edition represented by the record. Regardless of the format, this is a periodical publication, thus its type as MAGAZINE. It also states "Lightspeed Magazine" on the copyright page. About the editor credit, the ISFDB doesn't credit all of roles you cited as being the editor of the publication. The price may have changed since it was listed on Amazon. If your copy has a stated price of $17.99, you can cancel the submission and update the record. Or if you're not convinced that your copy is sufficiently different from the current record, you should cancel the submission and create a new record for what you consider to be an ANTHOLOGY. Either way, you'd have to cancel the submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:19, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Ah-ha! I see now what you're doing. Sorry it took so long, but I went back and saw that this differs from the ebook edition with a new story. But I don't believe it should be considered an ANTHOLOGY. I'll accept the submission, and you can lay out a case for it being one. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:41, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:You should also get rid of those other editors. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:44, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Sorry to make you work so hard on this one. I'll make all the changes you cite, and I appreciate you clarifying the ISFDB standards for this situation. FWIW, though the copyright page does say "Published by Lightspeed Magazine", I'd classify it as an anthology because it's a 489-page "Limited Edition" trade paper book which I believe would be shelved with anthologies in a library. It doesn't appear to be a 'periodical publication' since it's the only one in its series (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?36989), but there are ISFDB anthologies which were periodically published: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8228. In any case, I'll follow your guidance, and thanks for the help. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:03, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Kid from Mars Interiorart ==<br />
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I've been entering Virgil Finlay art books, and several have an illustration from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?272837 The Kid from Mars]. Is there more than one interior illustration by Finlay in that pub? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 16:41, 8 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:No, there's just the one: a meticulously detailed picture of The Kid lifting a sleeping woman. I've edited the book listing to add the interior illustration so that it appears on Finlay's page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:56, 9 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for taking the trouble. Much appreciated! [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 14:15, 9 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Author's name in the title ==<br />
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Are you certain that the author's name is in the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53755 this publication]? That is, on the title page it is given as ''H. G. Wells: The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories'' and credited to H. G. Wells as well. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:33, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:"H. G. Wells", in larger font, precedes the rest of the title on the title page (and on the jacket front and flap.) The half-title page has only "H. G. Wells", which I interpreted to mean it's the title of the book and the rest ("The War of the Worlds" etc.) is subtitle. However, if there's an applicable ISFDB standard, let's follow it. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:34, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Disregarding the half-title page, your entry only makes sense if the full title page states "''H. G. Wells: The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories'' by H. G. Wells". If there is no "by" credit on the title page, then it appears to me that "H. G. Wells" is not part of the title, just the author credit. I don't think there's an applicable ISFDB standard as it doesn't seem to be logical to interpret it any other way. If you disagree, please start a discussion on the Rules & Standards page, and we can create a rule for this situation. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:50, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK. Edited. Thanks for guidance. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:00, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Buck Rogers ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503760 This book] is credited to Calkins on the cover. Can you confirm that Nowlan is credited on the title page? Also, is there a way to determine if there are more than 40K words of text? Otherwise, this appears to be a CHAPBOOK. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:14, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Also you changed the author credit of the title record to "Philip Francis Nowlan" but not the author of the publication record. They should match or it's an error. <br />
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According to OCLC the book is credited as "by Lieutenant Dick Calkins and Phil Nowlan with over 150 pictures to color". Is your copy different? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:18, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm struggling with this listing, and would appreciate your guidance. The OCLC credit is correct, and as it appears on the title page. Nowlan is the author & Calkins is the illustrator. Should I include Calkins as an 'author'? The reason I edited the title record was trying to get the book to show up in Philip Francis Nowlan listing. Thought I could do that by just changing the title record, but leaving the book record as "Phil Nowlan". Please let me know correct method for that outcome. Regarding length, there are 17 chapters, but doubt they average more than a few hundred words each, so, yes, it should be a chapbook. Good catch. Thanks for helping me sort this out. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:31, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::The author field of a publication record must match EXACTLY the author field of its title record. There's no way around it. If you can answer my question about whether this is a novel I can make a better decision about how the publication should be handled. I suspect that it should be a CHAPBOOK credited to Calkins and Nowlan, with content records for the SHORTFICTION credited to Nowlan and the INTERIORART credited to Calkins. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:36, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::BTW, the way to "to get the book to show up in Philip Francis Nowlan listing" is to credit the record EXACTLY as published and then variant its title record to the canonical author. (Phil Nowlan is already established as a pseudonym of Philip Francis Nowlan.) I assumed that you were already familiar with pseudonyms and variants. Ask if you need help on how to do that. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:39, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Stand Still and Die ==<br />
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Would you please confirm that {{T|94428|Stand Still and Die}} in your verified {{P|276680|Children of the Streets}} does not have a exclamation point? {{T|1589047|Other versions}} of this story have the exclamation and I want to confirm before varianting. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:04, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it has an exclamation point. I submitted edit to fix. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:13, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
::It's easier to merge the two versions. That takes one step to fix vs. adding, removing, and then merging the new version created via the add. So I rejected your edit and then merged them. I appreciate you checking. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:29, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good tip. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:37, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantasy Voyages Great Science Fiction from the Saturday Evening Post ==<br />
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I think the publication you want to add is already in the database. (And you've entered it under the wrong title record.) If [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?201573 this record] matches your copy, please cancel your submission and update/verify the existing record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Also, HTML is only allowed in the Note field. Its use in any other field messes with searches. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:41, 9 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I cancelled the new pub and edited the existing. Just now saw your note about HTML in title. I'd appreciate if you could take it out of edit I just submitted. Now that I know, won't do again. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:02, 9 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Pub entered under the wrong title record ==<br />
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Because [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?506869 this publication] has a different title, it should not have been created using the clone function. You should have used the "Add New Anthology" function, completing only the metadata section of the entry form. After that was accepted you could have imported the contents from the other publication record. I'll have to unmerge this publication from its current title. I'll let you decide whether it's sufficiently different to remain a separate title or to variant its title to the original. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:38, 15 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I made the new title a variant of the "Gosh! Wow! ..." title. This is just a hardcover edition of the PBO, with new illustrations and some minor re-titling to Ackerman's essays. Note the copyright attribution for "Gosh Wow ..." on the copyright page of "Sense of Wonder ...". But if there's a better way to do this, I'd appreciate the correction/coaching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:19, 15 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::The problem wasn't with whether it's a variant. The wrong function was used to enter it into the database. You shouldn't use the CLONE function if the title is different from the record you're cloning. (The software shouldn't allow changes in the title and author field when cloning, IMHO.) I agree it should be varianted. Submission accepted. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:29, 15 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah! OK, thanks for coaching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:35, 15 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Campbells Islands of Space ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes to Campbell's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284452 Islands of Space]''. I've also added Bincley as the cover artist as I found a published source stating he did the jacket. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:55, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Art of Robrt McCall ==<br />
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I have added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436796 this book] adding the Canadian price which is printed top right front flap of dust wrapper. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 21:01, 8 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:thanks [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:04, 10 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Greenberg's Travellers of Space ==<br />
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I have some questions regarding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430565 verified copy] the the Martin Greenberg edited anthology ''Travelers of Space''. According to the secondary sources, there were two printings (1951 & c. 1955) and two jackets (Cartier & Binkley). One source, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?983721 Chalker/Owings], as well as the notes on the first printing indicate that the second state jacket was used for some copies of the first printing and they speculate that there may have been two bindings of the single printing. My copy of the first printing does have a first edition statement on the copyright page, directly below the copyright statement. If your copy also includes this statement, then it is either the supposed second binding of the first printing, but definitely the second state jacket. If not, then yours is the second printing which Chalker/Owings dates as c. 1955. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409055 This other source] has a definitive 1955 date. If yours is a first printing with the second state jacket, I think it's fine to have two records for the separate states, but I'll adjust the notes on the record with the Cartier jacket to indicate your record. I'd also recommend that we add an additional record for the true second printing. Alternatively, if yours is a second printing, it's probably OK to just reference the second state jacket in existing Cartier jacket record, as it is now. However, you may want to adjust the date on your record.<br />
Regardless of which edition you have, there are a few errors with the contents that I'd like to fix. If you agree, I'll fix the shared content records which will correct these errors for both our copies. The corrections I want to make are:<br />
#Peeples' credit for "A Dictionary of Science Fiction" should be "Samuel A. Peeples".<br />
#Kyle's credit for "The Interstellar Zoo" should be "David Kyle"<br />
#Heinlein's credit for "Columbus Was a Dope" should be "Lyle Monroe" (this one will have to be handled by editing both our records).<br />
#Since it's clear from the table of contents that Peeples' preface if for the dictionary, I'd suggest changing the disambiguation to the title record so that it reads "Preface (A Dictionary of Science Fiction)". I'm not even sure we'd still need the note regarding this if we made this change.<br />
Let me know if you agree with this changes and any ideas that you have regarding which printing/edition you have. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:49, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I've got 2 copies, one with each jacket:<br />
::- Both copies have "FIRST EDITION" on the copyright page, and identical contents including the misspelling of "Peebles" and other points you note. I can see that I did not carefully review the titles and authors in the stub I verified; all need to be the same as in the canonical listing for the first edition with red Cartier jacket. If you wish, I can do that clean-up. <br />
::- The books have identical binding: gray cloth boards, with red cloth on the spine that has silver-embossed title on spine and blind-embossed rocket and star motif on front. This means my copies do not support the speculation of "two bindings of the single printing." However, the jackets that came with each book have folds and wear consistent with being as published, so this appears to support the source you cite that a "second state jacket was used for some copies of the first printing." (FWIW, without that source, you could also argue that a later jacket was put on a jacketless 1951 First Edition by a book collector back in the 1950's.)<br />
::- The blue Binkley jacket has the same $3.95 price as the red Cartier jacket, and the same blurb text on flaps. However, it has "Illustrations by Edd Cartier with Jacket Design by Ric Binkley" on bottom of front flap, versus "Jacket illustrations by Edd Cartier with Design by David Kyle" on the red Cartier jacket. <br />
::- The red Cartier jacket has 10 titles on back, 3 of which were published as late as 1951: 'Journey to Infinity', 'Foundation', and 'The Fairy Chessmen'. The blue Binkley jacket has 30 titles on back, 6 of which were published as late as 1953: 'The Robot & The Man', 'King Conan', 'Second Foundation', 'Against the Fall of Night', 'Iceworld', and 'Children of the Atom'. This is why I listed my Binkley jacketed book as published in 1953.<br />
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:I really appreciate your scholarship on this book. Since you've done the work and have the sources, I agree that you should edit my verified listing with the additional info about 1st printings in a later jacket, but I strongly recommend that you leave the publication date of my verified listing as 1953. While you're editing it you can also clean up the author & story titles to match the First Edition if you wish, but I'll be glad to do that after you've added your comments. It's your call if you've got enough evidence to create a new, 3rd listing for a 1955 edition. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I agree with you about not changing the date. I was only suggesting the 1955 date if you had a true second printing. I've made the edits and have updated the notes on your record. Of course, you should feel free to rework the notes if you'd like something stated differently. I'll go ahead and clone your copy for the second printing. Thanks again.<br />
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== The Ice Dragon by George R. R. Martin ==<br />
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On [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?469491 The Ice Dragon] by George R. R. Martin, not removing or changing anything, but will edit spacing and add OCLC [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 21:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Weist's Frank R. Paul Book ==<br />
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If you've no objections, I'd like to replace the single interiorart title in Jerry Weist's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420238 Frank R. Paul: The Dean of Science Fiction Illustration]'' with individual titles for each piece. I'd also like to add a couple of sidebar items that are missing (e.g the Roger Hill essay on page 14) and add the Worldcat number to the notes. Lastly, I should be able to get a full scan of the cover. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:23, 23 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Wow, that'll take you awhile. I really appreciate it, as will other ISFDB users. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:45, 25 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Two Sought Adventure ==<br />
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I added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52635 Two Sought Adventure] concerning the two bindings Currey notes, and stating that both were verified (by me). [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:55, 28 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the Canadian price to your verified ==<br />
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I added the Canadian price to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50829].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 23:07, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Campbells The Mightiest Machine ==<br />
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In working on the Paul collection, they reprinted his cover illustration for the Hadley edition of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257186 The Mightiest Machine]'' which you've verified. However, the cover doesn't match the cover, or more precisely, the original cover of our record. I've looked in some secondary sources and it appears that when Hadley folded, the remaining stock (about 300 copies) was acquired by Julius Unger who printed new jackets that listed the publisher as FFF. According to Chalker/Owings the original cover and the interior illustrations are by Betty Wells Halladay. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409055 Kemp] states the same thing. Neither of them credit Paul with the later jacket, but Kemp reprints it and it matches the one in the Paul collection (page 115) which also reprints the spine showing the "FFF". Tuck doesn't credit the cover artist but does credit the interior illustrations as by Pailthorpe.<br />
Could you check for credits for both the jacket and the interior illustrations? I think we have two potential issues, but that will depend on what is in the book.<br />
#For the cover artist, there were clearly two different covers by different artists. We could address this by either listing a second artist on the record which would create to COVERART records, or we could have two separate publication records, one for each cover. I actually favor the latter because it will allow us to link each COVERART record to a scan of the cover. However, I would suggest that the record for second state jacket maintain the publisher as Hadley since there really was only one printing and binding (Black, blue and red cloth were used, but apparently all bound at the same time, so no priority).<br />
#For the interior illustrations, and if there is a credit in the book, or a signature, I'd say we should go with that. If not, then we've got two secondary sources saying Halladay and one saying Pailthorpe. I don't know which I'd recommend going with. If it isn't credited, does it look like the same artist that did the cover did the interiors?<br />
Let me know your opinions on one record vs. two and who to credit for the illustrations. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:19, 13 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for doing this research. I just studied the book and updated the listing. I agree that there should be a second listing for the FFF edition. You could argue that, for that listing, the printer is still Hadley but the publisher is FFF ... but I'll defer to you on what ISFDB standards dictate. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:39, 13 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Here's what I added to my verified listing ... "Illustrated by Robert Pailthorpe" on title page. Blurb on front flap of jacket notes, "The Jacket and Illustrations are the work of Robert Pailthorpe ...." All four of the interior illustrations are signed with Pailthorpe's name or initials. There is no signature on the jacket art. Noted without explanation: both Chalker/Owings and Kemp credit the interior illustrations and this edition's jacket art to Betty Wells Halladay. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I kept the publisher as Hadley. My reasoning is that the title page would still say Hadley. Also, none of the secondary sources (as few as they are) consider the rejacketed copies a FFF publication. Perhaps that's because Unger was essentially a used book dealer. I don't know that we've ever come up with a standard for this sort of situation, which is admittedly quite rare.In any case, it allowed me to variant the Paul jacket properly, which finishes Weist's Paul book. Thanks for your help and let me know if you see anything with either book that needs fixing. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 00:16, 17 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover artist ==<br />
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Added artists for some of the Scithers' anthologies that you submitted. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:36, 14 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Year's Best SF 5 ==<br />
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Hi, I added the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291383 Year's Best SF 5]. It is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1096986 John Harris].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 11:25, 14 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Williamson's The Cometeers ==<br />
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I was getting ready to inform you that I had added the interior art records and expanded the notes (to include the Reginald1 number) of the Fantasy Press edition of Jack Williamson's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37357 The Cometeers]''. While looking it up in Reginald and Tuck, I discovered that we apparently have this book listed incorrectly, as it not only contains the novel ''The Cometeers'', but also contains ''One Against the Legion'' and we should have this listed as an OMNIBUS containing both novels. Let me know if you agree and I'll go ahead and make the edits, as well as the others I proposed. I'll also leave a note on the other verifier's page, but I'm not certain how active they are. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:34, 18 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Great catch! I just checked it out and, yes, it's an omnibus: the Contents page divides the book's content into "Book One / The Cometeers" (pages 1-168) and "Book Two / One Against the Legion" (pages 169-310.) Let me know if you'd like me to do any of this edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:01, 18 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Disch poem in ''Nebula Award Stories Seventeen'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the poem on page 281 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23461 this publication] is credited to Thomas M. Disch, and not "Tom Disch"? He almost always used the shorter form for his poetry. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:02, 25 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. I just now submitted edits to fix. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:44, 28 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Toward a Greater Appreciation of H. P. Lovecraft: The Analytical Approach ==<br />
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Hi. Both [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289017 Whispers 1] and your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13844 First World Fantasy Awards] have the essay "Toward a Greater Appreciation of H. P. Lovecraft: The Analytical Approach" by "Dirk W. Mosig". In the Whispers he is credited on the essay title page as "Professor Dirk W. Mosig" (already an alias). Could you check your anthology and see if it's credited that way. If so, I can just change the title page and correct both at once. Also, in my version there is no space between H. and P. in the title. Could you check that as well. I will notify the other verifier once you answer back. Thanks, Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 23:56, 3 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:You're right: "Professor Dirk W. Mosig" on page 290 of 'First World Fantasy Awards'. Thanks for catching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:50, 4 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
::No problem - correction submitted. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 02:48, 4 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Twelve Tomorrows'' ==<br />
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According to the Note there is no printed price on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?521435 this publication], but the scan you just uploaded has the price printed on the front cover. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:57, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for catching this. Just submitted edit to fix. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:59, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Adventures to Come'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:1937AdventuresToCome2.jpg This image file] was uploaded without the prerequisite license, but it is a duplicate of a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:ADVTTC1937.jpg file] already on the server. Unless there's a reason I'm not understanding, the license-less file will have to be deleted. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:06, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I acquired a copy with jacket, so I'm posting the jacket image with the listing, then moving that image of the 1st & 2nd printing boards to a secondary location, and will add a link to that image in the listing notes. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:08, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::You still need a license on the file. It would have been better to just upload the jacket image file, first changing the file name, and then correcting the links in the publication record. I'll make the necessary changes to make the file "legal". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:13, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, you have to use HTML to link in a publication record's Note field. Wiki markup doesn't work in publication records. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:16, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::appreciate the coaching. Submitted edit to correct the HTML. I'll follow this process in future if need to upload additional images. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:59, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Derleth's Far Boundaries ==<br />
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I've made a few changes to August Derleth's anthology ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13206 Far Boundaries]''.<br />
*I've added the subtitle to the publication record. <br />
*I've added the overall introduction and the section introductions that we were missing.<br />
*I've corrected the credit for the John Wyndham story from "John Benyon" to "John Benyon Harris"<br />
*I've added the Reginald number, the LCCN and linked the Worldcat number.<br />
Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:22, 11 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Great additions & corrections. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:53, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Smith's "The City of the Singing Flame" ==<br />
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I was reading the story notes for the Night Shade edition of Clark Ashton Smith's stories and I discovered that there are multiple versions of his story "The City of the Singing Flame". It appears that it when it was published in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?381704 Spring 1940 issue] of ''Tales of Wonder'', the editor combined the story with its sequel "Beyond the Singing Flame" by altering some of Smith's prose and adding a bridging paragraph. Further, when Smith was preparing ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25326 Out of Space and Time]'', he was unable to locate either his carbon or a copy of the original ''Wonder Stories'' appearance of the tale and instead sent along tear sheets from ''Tales of Wonder'' containing the combined story. I have compared the two versions from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99391 Night Shade collection] which contains the original story and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296744 Bison reprint] of ''Out of Space and Time'' which contains the combined story. The former ends with "Tomorrow, I shall return to the city." Whereas the combined version ends with "And there, at length, we came once more to the greyish-green columns that were the gateway between worlds." I have corrected my copy of ''Out of Space and Time'' as well as the unverified copies. The story notes also mention that the combined version was used in August Derleth's anthology ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44942 The Other Side of the Moon]'' which you have verified. Could you check your copy so that we can swap out the version of the story if needed. I'll also point out that there are at least three variants of the wording of the title. You currently have "'''The''' City of '''the''' Singing Flame". This is also how Contento1 has it, but they also indicate that it is the single story version, so they may be wrong. Once you've verified the title, I can swap out the versions in the reprints of the Derleth anthology, unless you'd like to go ahead with those too. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:17, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Excellent scholarship! I've got 3 books containing the story:<br />
:- "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14728 From Off This World]" contains both the original story as "The City of Singing Flame", and the sequel "Beyond the Singing Flame". The ISFDB listing has incorrect title for the original story ("... '''the''' Singing Flame".) I'll 3rd Verify the listing, and correct the title.<br />
:- "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44942 The Other Side of the Moon]" has the combined version, titled "The City of '''the''' Singing Flame". It's incorrectly connected as a variant to the original (short) story in my listing, and in the unverified other 2 listings for this book title. I'll edit all 3, deleting the story then re-adding so I can variant to the combined version.<br />
:- "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20826 Lost Worlds, Unknown Horizons]" listing is correct: it has the original story (i.e. ending with "Tomorrow, I shall return ..."), titled "The City of '''the''' Singing Flame".<br />
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:FWIW, I noted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1495757 this listing] which says it's a different combined version edited by Garyn Roberts instead of Walter Gillings. My copy of that "Prentice Hall Anthology" is packed away so I can't verify if, indeed, it's different. The listing's verifier, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:MLB MLB] may be able to check ... but I'll leave that to you if you want to ping him. Let me know if you'd like for me to make any edits other than the ones I've noted. And THANKS for the scholarship! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 07:09, 14 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for making those edits. I has already noticed the other combined story. However, I decided to leave them as separate titles because of the two different editors. Especially since Gillings added some of his own material. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:44, 16 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Madonna and the Starship ==<br />
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Before approving your submissions, can you clear the matter withe the PVs? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 09:49, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
:I approve of the edits. However, I think additional edits are required to add a CHAPBOOK title record to the contents. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:50, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Done. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:53, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::Apologies for missing that check-off. Seemed like an obvious edit, but I take your point. Thanks for handling for me. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:29, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::No worries. It's not the most obvious series of edits. I had offered my assent only as one of the verifiers. My intent was to save you the trouble of notifying me, since I had noticed the conversation in my watchlist. I'll leave a note on Bill's page, but we probably should have waited for him before proceeding. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:27, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::::Happy with the edits as they are now [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 09:21, 29 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Stanislow or Stanislaw ==<br />
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Can you confirm the cover art credit given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35657 this record]? The canonical form of the artist name is {{A|Stanislaw Zagorski}}. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:50, 26 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:It's spelled "...ow" on the jacket of this book. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:27, 26 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
::I'm not a PV of this, not sure why I was included in this message?[[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 09:24, 29 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::You weren't. This message was posted only on the PV editor's talk page, and no other's. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:57, 29 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In Real Life'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?529671 this record]: A graphic novel isn't really a NOVEL (more than 40,000 words), so it should be entered as a CHAPBOOK with content records for the art and the fiction. Keep in mind that graphic novels are only eligible for the database if they are by an author who is "above the threshold". This was accepted into the database ''only'' because Doctorow is credited on the title page as the author, even though from the copyright it appears he had no input into the actual work. If the title page had truthfully stated "Adaptation of a story by Cory Doctorow" the publication wouldn't have been eligible. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:37, 1 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:As always, thanks for the coaching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:16, 1 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Cory Doctorow adaptations ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?529498 this publication]: the "(graphic adaptation}" disambiguation added to the titles of the contents is not necessary. We can now flag each fiction title record to identify it as being in a graphic format. (Both disambiguation and flagging the INTERIORART records is also superfluous.) Please adjust the titles and add the graphic flag to the fiction titles when you get a chance. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:56, 15 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I also see that the INTERIORART records give two artists credit, when it appears that based on your note that they are not collaborations: one is for the title page and one is for the story. If so, they should each get a separate content record. Otherwise it would look like the two artists worked together for the arat of the entire story. 17:59, 15 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Edited per your guidance. Let me know if I missed anything. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:21, 16 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Looks good. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:39, 16 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Twenty-First Century Science Fiction ==<br />
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I added notes (Canadian price, LCCN, & comment on story introductions) to your verified {{P|428841|Twenty-First Century Science Fiction}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:44, 30 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Acknowledgments (again) ==<br />
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As previously pointed out, we normally don't create content records for these unless they are more than just a list of "thank you"s. Looking at the Amazon Look Inside for ''Telling Tales'', I don't see how McCoy's acknowledgments are exceptional. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:46, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I submitted Note to the book title record with content which I believes justifies having a record for McCoy's essay. Let me know if you'd prefer I delete the Note and/or essay record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:58, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm not sure that one sentence makes an ESSAY, but I'll drop the issue. (Just don't start creating content records for blurbs, most of which run for more than a sentence and have more value than this work!) BTW, wouldn't that explanation make more sense in the note field of the title record of the ESSAY rather than the title record of the ANTHOLOGY? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:14, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK, I deleted the Acknowledgement record. With it gone, I'll leave the comment on the anthology title record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:29, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Humanoids ==<br />
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I added the Reginald number to the notes for Williamson's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?179277 The Humanoids]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:19, 10 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Radio Man ==<br />
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I've added an item for the interior artwork to Farley's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?428966 The Radio Man]''. I've also expanded the notes with catalog numbers for some of the secondary sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:46, 16 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Great additions. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:21, 18 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Default display of non-English translations ==<br />
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When you get a chance, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Followup_to_Translations_not_shown_on_author_page_when_not_logged_in this discussion]? The proposal basically boils down to changing the behavior of the Summary Bibliography when the viewing user is not logged in. Currently only English translations are displayed for unauthenticated users. The proposal would change it to displaying ''all'' translations. The downside is that the Summary page could get longer and harder to navigate.<br />
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I am trying to get a sense of how widespread the support for this change is. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 01:03, 20 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for he heads-up. I never think to browse the community portal. The discussion was interesting. I posted an opinion. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:27, 20 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks! :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:02, 20 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Editor credit ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46928 this publication]: We don't use copyright page credit to determine responsibility, unless there is no other credit stated in the book. Otherwise we use what is stated on the title page of the book. So I removed the editor credit for David Hartwell. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:58, 20 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:OK. I assume you'll do the same for 'The SFWA Grand Masters, Volume Two', which also had an editor credit for Hartwell on the copyright page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:12, 21 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I accepted your submission for Volume 2, and then went back and removed the Hartwell credit. I'll leave it to you to finish the cleanup submitting content deletes, etc. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 01:27, 21 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK, thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Jones' The Toymaker ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes to Raymond Jones' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48774 The Toymaker]'', adding the Reginald number and describing the binding of my copy which doesn't seem to match any of those already mentioned. I also noticed that we had the title wrong for "The Deadly Host" where we had omitted "The". I've corrected that as well. Let me know if you have any problems with my changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:16, 14 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
:I notice that you have also have verified the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?427409 paperback edition]. My understanding is that FPCI generally did a single printing with several bindings, so I would expect that the same change for "The Deadly Host" would be needed for the paperback. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:21, 14 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Good catch. Fixed. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:29, 15 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== I added publisher's number ==<br />
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I added publisher's number to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249814].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 20:23, 2 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Bad HTML ==<br />
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The HTML in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?4861 this record's Note field] is pretty messed up. Did you want to repair it, or should I? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:34, 10 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Fixed. Sorry about that. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:24, 10 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange and Fantastic Stories ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270849 Strange and Fantastic Stories]'', adding the catalog numbers for Reginald and Bleiler. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:38, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Merril's SF:'57 ==<br />
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I expanded the notes to our mutually verified publication of Judith Merril's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29756 SF:'57]'' adding several catalog numbers. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:23, 4 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
:Also her ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34937 The 5th Annual of the Year's Best S-F]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:31, 4 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''No Boundaries'' cover image ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:NBNDRSJLXM1955.jpg this record]: We usually don't include the back cover unless it's wraparound art. Is there any reason to make an exception for this one? We don't want to create a precedent and have others point to it when wanting to upload other images that show back covers that are text only. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:48, 6 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:OK. Fixed. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:54, 7 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Moore's Shambleau ==<br />
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I added the Reginald and Bleiler catalog numbers to C. L. Moore's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30127 Shambleau and Others]''. I also linked the existing Worldcat and Library of Congress numbers. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:19, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Playboy Book of Science Fiction and Fantasy ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45400 The Playboy Book of Science Fiction and Fantasy]'' adding Reginald and Bleiler numbers. I also linked the LOC number. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:59, 24 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Post Reader of Fantasy and Science Fiction ==<br />
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I expanded the notes to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26482 The Post Reader of Fantasy and Science Fiction]'' adding record numbers for Reginald and Bleiler. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:08, 28 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Most Forgetable Story in the World ==<br />
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Would you mind double checking the spelling of "forgetable" in the title of {{T|68102|The Most Forgetable Story in the World}} from {{P|20584|Long Night of Waiting by Andre Norton and other stories}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:45, 1 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Thanks! Fixed that, and also corrected the story title pages. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:07, 1 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Outsiders: Children of Wonder ==<br />
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Hello, I've put your submission on hold, please clear the matter of your proposed date change with the PVs. The dates in Cole may be wrong, as is the case with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?405658 this pub] falsely dated by Cole 04-15-1951 although all data on the book point to a March date. Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:37, 4 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, but I'm unclear on what I'd be asking Willem and Don. I've also got a copy of this paperback and, as the isfdb record notes, its copyright page says it's "published June 1954". Cole simply adds the day of the month (June 7, 1954.) There's no data in the book to verify that day ... so what would I be asking them to verify? That said, I agree that Cole, by itself, doesn't 'trump' a date printed in a book. So far, I've only added Cole dates when the isfdb record is missing a publication month, or when it's got the same month as Cole but missing the day of the month. Please advise if I should be following a different process. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:52, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Two things, first if you own the book, think about becoming a PV, second, I just want you to ask the other PV if they agree to your changes. Beause if I was concerned as a PV, I wouldn't agree with them as so precise data from Cole is (IMHO) questionable. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:20, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Unnumbered pages ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1055 this publication]: Did you plan on adding a record for the content which appears on the 6 unnumbered pages before the last novel. If they don't contain significant text, they shouldn't be added to the page count field. The note itself should be sufficient. Also, the page numbers given for the start of each of the contents should reflect the published page number. According to your note, the pagination started over with each novel. You can use the pipe method for page numbering to provide the order of their appearance within the book. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:50, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Can you point to an example of the 'pipe method'? I couldn't find a reference to 'pipe' in the Policy, FAQ, Discussions or Portal pages. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:36, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::It's explained [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Content_Information here] in the '''Regular Titles''' section of the Content entry help page. Look at the '''Page''' subsection, to the bulleted section titled ''Sorting''. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:25, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Those un-numbered pages contain the novel's title page, so I've got to somehow reference them as the novel's first page. Appreciate guidance on that. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:36, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually you don't have to reference pages that don't have content on them., especially in a publication which has non-standard pagination. Since each of these novels "start" on the first page of their section of the publication, you can enter the first at "1|1", the second as "1|2", and the third as "1|3". Only the number "1" will be displayed, and the number after the pipe gives the order in which the titles will be displayed in the contents section of the publication record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:25, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good to know about that use of pipe character. Thanks. I submitted correction to page numbers. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:54, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Cyberiad ==<br />
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Hi. While checking the tp Seabury Press version of <cite>The Cyberiad: Fables for the Cybernetic Age</cite> against [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37775 your verified] hc version, I noticed the story title of "Prince Ferrix and the Princess Crystal" on the title page of the tp has "the Princess" and yours has no "the" in front of "Princess". Out of the six verified ISFDB editions of this work, two have "the" and four don't have the "the". Seems odd that the tp & hc of the same publisher would be different - could you kindly check your version and see if it has the "the". I'll ask the others to join us here as well, just to make sure we don't have an extra variant out there. If, by some chance, all of the verified copies have the "the" in the title, should all the unverified copies be changed? Also, since both variants of this story are variants to the Polish title, if you change the "non-the" title to the "the" title, do you merge that with the other "the" titles?<br><br />
Also, I notice that some of the verified copies have the subtitle "Fables for the Cyberntetic Age" and some don't. (Mavmaramis & Astrodan) Should that be checked as well? Thanks, Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 05:08, 4 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I have corrected the title of the story in my PV'd record. Most likely this was caused by the importing of contents which were initially incorrect. I also added the subtitle to the canonical title, since the vast majority of the publications include it. There's one unverified record now that doesn't have that more complete title, but nothing requires that it do. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:27, 4 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I checked my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193781 The Cyberiad] - contents page and the story itself has title as "Prince Ferrix and the Princess Crystal" no leading 'the' Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:31, 9 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1816536 少女] ==<br />
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I updated the date to match the oldest release of this short story. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:48, 5 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Clarke's ''Reach for Tomorrow'' ==<br />
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Does your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284755 this] have a printed price? If not, please add that to the record. And please remember to do a primary verification of the record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:10, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I'll be editing and adding Pub Notes ... but not a price. My copy's jacket is price clipped. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:53, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Imperial Earth'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192257 This record] was originally intended to be for the January 1976 first printing. But based on the letter line, are you certain that it's not a second printing with an unknown publication date? I know some publisher's have different ways of indication a first printing, but shouldn't removing the "A" indicate a second printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:27, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Some [http://www.whiteunicornbooks.com/home/glfirsted.html research] about identifying HB&J's first editions shows: <br />
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:"...that from 1973 to 1983, HB&J did not use the "A", i.e. "First Edition/ABCD", but instead used "First Edition/BCDE." <br />
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It might be a good idea to note this in case a collector checks these records to see if he/she has a true first edition. I will place a note on the publisher's page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:34, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Paul Collins' ''Envisaged Worlds'' ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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I have recently acquired a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12471 Envisaged Worlds] for which you are the primary verifier. My dust jacket appears a little different from yours: the fill in the drawings is much finer in my copy (though perhaps this is an artifact of the scan?), plus, at the bottom of the front cover there is "Void" with "6•7•8" underneath.<br />
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Does your dust jacket have " Void | 6•7•8 " at the bottom? If not, I'll do a clone. If so, I'll replace the cover scan with one from my copy, if that's OK by you.<br />
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Also, would you please check the authorship of "Creator", starting on page 57. My copy has it as just David Lake. If you agree, I'll add a line with the new authorship / remove old record / adjust vt/duplicate/...<br />
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ditto "Nemaluk and the Star-Stone", page 77. I have Frank Bryning. ditto re fix.<br />
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ditto "What Evil Must Do", page 153. I have L. Godfrey, not Lynette. ditto re fix.<br />
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I'd also like to put, in the Pub Series field, "Void magazine"; plus "6•7•8" in the Pub Series # field. ("Void magazine" not "Void" in the Pub Series is from what I've read & a long story.)<br />
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Thanks --[[User:Clarkmci|clarkmci / j_clark]] 06:33, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for finding this flawed image. I uploaded a corrected compression of the scan. And thanks for fixing those author credits. Agree with all. As for "6•7•8", no, that string does not appear on either jacket or book of my copy. I don't know a reason for the difference. In case you enter a variant, then FWIW boards of mine are brown cloth, stamped in gilt on spine with same text as spine of jacket. The ISBN is on the copyright page, but not on the jacket. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:07, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for responding so quickly. Very interesting about the cover difference - I suspect it's to do with the Void magazine connection I mentioned above. As I understand it, subscribers to Void mag. got this instead of issues 6, 7, 8. <br />
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::I'll make the author fixes; then clone for my cover variant, putting the Pub Series stuff in my pub record. --[[User:Clarkmci|clarkmci / j_clark]] 08:40, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Done. --[[User:Clarkmci|clarkmci / j_clark]] 09:25, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Good edits. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:32, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Aspects of Science Fiction'' ==<br />
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If your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3213 this publication] has an ISBN, then it can't be the 1959 edition. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:55, 28 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Fixed: moved that ISBN to a mention in pub note. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Stories (Yefremov) ==<br />
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Hi, I linked your 1954 edition to [https://www.worldcat.org/title/stories/oclc/823751196 OCLC 823751196].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:42, 5 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Artist signature ==<br />
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We don't use the signature as a basis to credit cover art unless it can be identified as that of a known artist. I will hold the submission to update my verified record in order for you to identify the artist. Otherwise, just a note providing the signature is sufficient without a cover art record being created. The standard is explained [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Cover_Art here]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:08, 11 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:OK. Cancelled that edit, and submitted new edit with just the Pub Note. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:50, 12 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Long Haul From the ANNALS OF TRANSPORTATION, The Pacific Monthly, May 2009 ==<br />
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Could you please add your opinion to [[User_talk:Herzbube#The_Long_Haul_From_the_ANNALS_OF_TRANSPORTATION.2C_The_Pacific_Monthly.2C_May_2009|this discussion]] on my talk page? Thanks, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 11:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Replied on your talk page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:21, 14 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Eleventh Galaxy Reader ==<br />
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Could you please check the title of the introduction on page 1 of {{P|39089|this pub}} that you verified? I'm asking because in {{P|284016|the SFBC edition}} the introduction appears with this title:<br />
Introduction: How to Spot the Good Ones<br />
Thanks for looking. Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 22:41, 16 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch! Thanks. Submitted edit to fix. Note that I'm not appending "(book title)" as http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1995079. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:49, 17 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Unnumbered and Roman numbered? ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?560836 this publication]: How is the page count possible? Bracketed numbers in the page count field indicate the number of ''unnumbered'' pages. If the pages are Roman numbered, then they're entered without brackets. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:14, 19 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry. Typo. Fixed. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:51, 19 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Quantum Night ==<br />
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I added the author's note and the "further reading" essay to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556917 this verified pub]. Also added a note about the cover art. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 19:55, 25 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:53, 26 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories ==<br />
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I've added the Reginald number, and linked the Worldcat and LCCN numbers for Wells' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53755 The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:18, 7 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== James Burns ==<br />
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Hello, the artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573122 this pub] is given as per your notes as "James" Burns. We clearly should consider this as typo. I've corrected the data. If you're not OK with the changes, just tell me, I'll revert them. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:55, 10 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:That's fine. I never encountered this situation before, so just entered the name as it appeared. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:54, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Nebula Awards 20 ==<br />
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Added a artist credit to your PV'd copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?209485 Nebula Awards 20]. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 01:51, 12 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== 28 Science Fiction Stories of H. G. Wells ==<br />
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Hi, I imported content for your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?562992 28 Science Fiction Stories of H. G. Wells].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 22:56, 29 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
== Science Fiction & Reader's Guide ==<br />
Hi. I added the glossary (which appears to belong only to the Lancelot Biggs story) to the listing because it's sf and is listed in the TOC, if that's okay with you. <br />
Also, I was thinking of changing the two excerpt stories to variants instead because they're really shorter stories on their own with beginning and end, if that's okay with you. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 06:33, 3 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello. I'm fine with addition of "Glossary" as an essay, but have some recommendations:<br />
::- This glossary is not in 'Lancelot Biggs: Spaceman' (I'm pv for that book), so the title should be "Glossary (Science Fiction and Reader's Guide)".<br />
::- There no author credit for the this glossary, so author should be "uncredited". It's not implausible that the editors of this "Children's Hour" book wrote the Glossary for their younger readership. A possible proof point: I noted the editors excised an instance of "damn" from Bond's original text.<br />
::- Suggest adding a Pub Note about the footnote on page 70 ("See glossary, page 141")which ties the Glossary to Bond's story.<br />
:Regarding changing the excerpts to variants:<br />
::- Re: 'Mars and Miss Pickerell' I have to ask: make it a variant of what? AFAIK, the source material was only previously published within http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?422827, and I didn't think a piece of short fiction could be a variant of a novel.<br />
::- Re: 'Lancelot Biggs on the Saturn', you're right. It's the first story in the fix-up novel http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19896 (pages 9-40.) Do you know the title under which this story was originally published? If so, then agree it should be a variant of that story title. If you don't know its original title, then I may be able to figure that out with some research. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:15, 3 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Best SF Two ==<br />
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Can you check your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4150 Best SF Two] for the credit of the Heinlein and Simak stories? My third printing is missing the middle initials. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 09:09, 11 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:You're right: no middle initials in author credits for those 2 stories. Good catch. I'll fix my listing. Thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:44, 11 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I'll fix the unverified publications. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 19:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Collector's Book of Science Fiction by H.G. Wells ==<br />
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Hi. Regarding your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37319 The Collector's Book of Science Fiction by H.G. Wells], the content on p.vii should be "Herbert George Wells: A Biographical Note" and should be merged with the identical title in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?583318 this pub] as far as I can see. As it is now it's merged with the two other dated titles that have "H.G." not "Herbert G."<br><br />
I think if you follow the page rules, this should have vii+514+[1] since you've added the Bibliographical Note as content on an unnumbered page.<br><br />
Also, I've checked the interiorart contents on this same pub version and it seems accurate. Do you mind if I add it to your pub? Thanks, Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 01:16, 13 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catches! Made the fixes. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:50, 13 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
::No prob. But it looks like you deleted the Bibliographic Note on what would be p.[515]. That's fine but now you don't need the +[1] anymore, as I read it, because you don't have content that needs to be indexed. Confusing? Not much :) Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 03:18, 14 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Larry Sternig and William Campbell Gault ==<br />
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I'm looking into a new editor's revelation that Larry Sternig was a real person and collaborated with Gault on some things. In your verified {{P|34640|Teen-Age Space Adventures}} is a short story{{T|76975|Venusian Invader}}, credited to Sternig, and we have that as a variant of that same title but credited solely to Gault. Is there any other information in the book that might indicate whether Gault had any hand in it? I am pursuing the other pubs/verifiers. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:07, 29 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Only credit is to Sternig. No reference to Gault in the book. I don't recall making the connection to Gault, so must have already been in the stub I edited. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:14, 29 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Gigantic Worlds ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission but was wondering if the "untitled" pieces shouldn't be disambiguated (note that there are even two by the same author).[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 07:57, 10 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good point. Submitted edit to fix. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:54, 10 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Nebula Awards Showcase: 2009 ==<br />
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I added a response to your comment at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#Nebula Awards Showcase: 2009]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 15:15, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''More Tales from the Forbidden Planet'' ==<br />
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I'd like to change the page numbering on our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294745 More Tales from the Forbidden Planet] from [xii]+268 to [4]+268+[8]. There are actually no Roman numerals on the leading pages, so according to point 3 under Pages in the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages New Pub Help] it should be Arabic numbers appearing within the brackets. Also, counting back from the last page of the Introduction is only 4 pages – there's no need to record unnumbered pages before that. You have included in the contents Biographies from unnumbered page 269, so this should also appear in the total page numbering, totalling 8 pages. I'm happy to make the edits if you're not sure how to use the 'pipe' method to make sure all unnumbered contents appear in their correct place. Cheers. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 10:49, 19 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good edits! Yes, please go ahead and make them. (FWIW, that numbering was in the stub I edited ... but my bad for not catching it then.) Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:25, 19 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Translations of "The Horla" ==<br />
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As you surely know, back in the early days of the DB, different translations of the same story weren't given separate title records, but now this practice has changed. I'm about to sort the various English translations of Guy de Maupassant's "The Horla" into separate title records and wanted to consult you, as a primary verifier, before I do so. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?67969 Here] is the title record for all the publications that haven't been sorted yet, and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Vasha77/Translations_of_The_Horla here] is the list I made, of all the translations I know of (thirteen of them) and which publications belong to which. I hope you can contribute some more information. <br />
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You verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2648 Androids, Time Machines and Blue Giraffes]''; I believe it has the uncredited 1903 translation. Can you confirm that, by comparing the first paragraph of the story to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Vasha77/HorlaFirstParagraphs comparison page]? And then let me know what exact translator credit is given, if any. Also, does it have the subtitle "or Modern Ghosts" as that particular version sometimes does?<br />
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If you happen to have any of the other unsorted publications, information about them would be appreciated. Thank you very much for the help! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 05:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Wow. I admire the scholarship. Yes, you are correct: the version in 'Androids, Time Machines ...' has the first paragraph of the uncredited 1903 translation. There is no subtitle on the story's title page, but there is the following editor's note: "This story was first published on October 26, 1886 in 'Gil Blas', a French newspaper. A revised version was published the following year by Paul Ollendorff of Paris." Wish I could help with the other unsorted pubs, but I don't have any of them. Let me know if anything else I can do to help. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:16, 25 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing pub date for anthologies after Cole ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission for updating diverse anthologies. Please note that, as you're modifying data that is PVed, our etiquette requires that you notify the PV(s). Consider this done for me. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:32, 27 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Offerings ==<br />
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If it's OK with you, I'll start adding contents to Brom's Offerings [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 23:19, 14 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Are you kidding? I'd be delighted! I know how much work that's going to be, so a huge 'THANK YOU'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:25, 14 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Hugo Winners ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed that several publications of The Hugo Winners, e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?187417 this one], contain "Postscript (The Hugo Winners)" just before the appendix, but the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41813 1962 edition], which you verified, does not. Could you please check if this is correct? Thanks, [[User:Darkday|Darkday]] 23:27, 29 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. It isn't listed in Table of Contents, so I'd missed it. Just submitted edit to add. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:36, 29 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Uploading images ==<br />
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Hello, I'm just dropping a line to verify if you're aware that 1) the images that you're uploading are usually significantly heavier that those replaced (sometimes up to four times) which may prove problematic in the future (our diskspace is limited) and 2) that the "old" scans have to manually deleted by a moderator. It's up to you to see if the addition of the spine is worth the trouble. Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:37, 30 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
:I appreciate the guidance. I certainly don't want to make unnecessary work for moderators, but as a long-time book collector, I do think it's important to show spines on jackets. If the current 150K size limit for images fails to address future space concerns, then seems we should establish smaller limit on image size going forward. In the meantime, though, if I do an image replacement I'll scale it to the size of the replaced image to assure no net impact on storage. BTW, what is the funding model for this wiki? I've wondered about this since day 1. As Heinlein said, TANSTAAFL. If we have storage concerns, then seems we have funding concerns. I'd rather be part of the solution than part of the problem. :) Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks for your reply. For money matters, IIRC all come from the Ahasuerus' pockets. Some of us have already proposed to participate in the costs of the server (which are the only ones as all the rest is strictly on a volunteer basis), but it seemed not necesssary for now. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 07:05, 31 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Best American SFF 2015 ==<br />
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Hi, in ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585053 The Best American Science Fiction and Fantasy 2015]'', which you've verified, I changed the title of the story "Duniazat" to "Duniazát" as my copy has it. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 01:06, 31 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Heinlein's Assignment in Eternity ==<br />
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I added the Reginald number to the notes for Heinlein's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3239 Assignment in Eternity]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:11, 3 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Variants ==<br />
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Here are two possible variants:<br />
*{{T|56282|Game for Blondes}} from {{P|35919|The Best Science-Fiction Stories: 1953}} and {{T|2110208|A Game for Blondes}} from {{P|29427|Second Galaxy Reader of Science Fiction}}<br />
*{{T|56261|Star, Bright}} from {{P|26754|Prize Science Fiction}} and {{T|2110207|Star Bright}} from {{P|29427|Second Galaxy Reader of Science Fiction}}<br />
In each case, I would assume the stories are the same. As you have verified both pubs, would you mind double checking that and also the titles given in ''Second Galaxy Reader of Science Fiction'' since they are different from typical. Based on that, they should be varianted, merged, or notes added as applicable. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 02:05, 18 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Fixed. Thanks for catching this 'clean up' edit I'd missed when entering 2nd Galaxy Reader. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:44, 18 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Russell's Deep Space ==<br />
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I've added the Reginald number to Eric Frank Russell's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9730 Deep Space]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 00:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Mind Fields: The Art of Jacek Yerka, the Fiction of Harlan Ellison ==<br />
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I added a cover scan to your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82997 here]. I also added the individual artworks to the contents for the first printing of this pub, which you can import if you wish. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Looking Glass Library, Epstein & Carroll ==<br />
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You entered and PVerified 1960 ''The War of the Worlds'', Looking Glass Library #21, as publisher Epstein & Carroll, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?163 publication series LGL].<br />
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Yesterday I added the other Epstein & Carroll book in the database --1961 ''The Phantom Tollbooth'' 1st ed.-- learned something about E&C from Wikipedia and from bookdealer images of that book, and added all of our Notes on publisher [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?49530 publisher Epstein & Carroll].<br />
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We have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?34701 publisher Looking Glass Library] used by other editors for three 1959/60 books including one PVerified. None of those records mentions Epstein & Carroll in Notes but we have linked OCLC records that state "Looking Glass Library; distributed by Random House", presumably from the title page, which fits your Notes and suggests that Epstein & Carroll is named on the copyright page and only there.<br />
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I would like to revise your record as '''Publisher: Looking Glass Library''' and '''Catalog ID: #21''', parallel to the records of #9 and #18. Then complete cross-references and Notes at Publisher: LGL and Publ series: LGL, explaining the former relation to Epstein & Carroll and the latter restriction to later revival of the brand by Random House in its own name.<br />
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(In user space I have notes on the 1959-1961 series, which has about 10 more of its 28 titles in the database, based on this [http://www.lib.luc.edu/specialcollections/exhibits/show/gorey/looking-glass-library/looking-glass-3 Loyola University exhibition list].) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:57, 10 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Also in your record I would (as always) link LCCN: [https://lccn.loc.gov/60013060 60-013060]. That library record states "[Epstein and Carroll Associates]; distributed by Random House", unlike others; no doubt merely a variant way of deriving database field values from the same title and copyright pages.<br />
: At Amazon I found cover images for two 1959/61 LGL records that were needing them, so we now have all four. I am not adding LGL books until resolving the issue above.<br />
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: You note that the LGL is 'edited for "Age 11 up" readers, re-written in contemporary English, and slightly abridged for content.' I'll say that of ''War of the Worlds'' #21 in the publisher/series Notes and urge editors to look for that in other issues. <br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:51, 10 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::I can't verify that the "Age 11 up" note applies to all of the Looking Glass Library. I did verify my comments about abridgement and simplified, updated language by comparing the contents of this edition to the 'original' version in http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37319. Thanks for editing to add links to Looking Glass Library. Excellent research! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:27, 14 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== "Space Service" by Andre Norton ==<br />
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Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31447 verified publication] of the first edition of Space Service listed the story "The Specter General" as being by "Theodore Cogswell". It is listed in both the TOC and at the story title page as by "Theodore R. Cogswell", so I have corrected that entry. The story by Gordon Dickson was listed as being titled "The Steel Brother". It is listed in both the TOC and at the story as just "Steel Brother", so I have corrected that entry. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:17, 14 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Really appreciate the fixes, and the attention to detail. Good reminder for me to check everything in stubs I complete. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:15, 19 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Velocity ==<br />
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If you don't mind, I will add content to your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423435 Velocity] by Stephan Martiniere. I intend just to add the book cover art. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 00:41, 25 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for the edits, and the heads-up. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Best SF: 1972 ==<br />
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The change in your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4206 Best SF: 1972] was an HTML tag closing - you had your link closing with <nowiki><a> instead of </a></nowiki>. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:11, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== "Confessions of a Tyrant('s) Double" ==<br />
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Hi, in your verified publication ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363738 The New and Perfect Man (Postscripts #24/25)]'', you have "Confessions of a Tyrant Double" on page 187 -- is that actually how the title appears? elsewhere it is "Tyrant's". --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 03:45, 21 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to Maupassant pubs ==<br />
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I am once again working on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Vasha77/Translations_of_The_Horla sorting out translations of "The Horla"], so if you are notified of changes to any publications that involve Guy de Maupassant, that is what it is in regard to. I believe I haven't made any alterations that go beyond the information you provided the last time I queried you about these publications, but if you notice I've made a mistake, please do let me know. The only major thing I did was to separate out the translations revised by Dora Knowlton Ranous from the general uncredited translations. Otherwise, I just changed notes and dates. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 08:38, 24 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A batch of nongenre stories - if you disagree please comment ==<br />
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Currently there are numerous non-genre horror stories that are in the database because it's natural to just enter a book of horror or "tales of terror" without figuring out which stories are supernatural. I don't intend to systematically hunt for them, but when I spot one, I like to mark it nongenre. (In the case of classic stories, marking is better than removing it from the database because it'll just get re-added with some new anthology.) At the moment, I've spotted the following stories that I think need such a change, and I'm consulting people who have them in their verified pubs.<br />
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Firstly, there's ''Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural'' (verified copies: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517709 (1)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289442 (2)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?415777 (3)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?435921 (4)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366609 (5)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?446362 (6)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?577863 (7)]), which contains "A Terribly Strange Bed," "The Three Strangers," "The Most Dangerous Game," "Leiningen Versus the Ants," "A Rose for Emily," "Taboo," and undoubtedly other non-supernatural ones that I'm not noticing at the moment. Here are verified publications for those and some other stories:<br />
* "Taboo" by Geoffrey Household - An eastern European community is terrorized by a series of murders. The mystery is solved, but the terror, and other psychological effects, linger on. Non-supernatural - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249393 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359537 The Dark of the Soul]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451254 The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253539 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375537 Griezelverhalen 2]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516539 Van Lichtelijk Luguber tot Meedogenloos Macaber]<br />
* "A Rose for Emily" by William Faulkner - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rose_for_Emily#Plot_summary SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?333722 Classic Tales of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37873 The Dark Descent]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205381 The Dark Descent]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191317 The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293237 The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413748 The Lucifer Society]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196813 The Medusa in the Shield]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359245 The Giant Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?591258 The Oxford Book of Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43731 American Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2399 American Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472269 The Golden Argosy]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?403273 Vóór Middernacht: De Beste Griezelverhalen]<br />
* "A Terribly Strange Bed" by Wilkie Collins - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Terribly_Strange_Bed SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369520 Tales of Terror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?368071 Tales of Terror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326642 Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326754 Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294185 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233089 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?306036 Nightfrights]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517776 Nightfrights]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386608 Adventure Stories for Girls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369352 Horror by Lamplight]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346979 The Wordsworth Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189037 Mad Monkton and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413840 Masterpieces of Mystery in Four Volumes]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18059 In the Grip of Terror]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514839 Van Edgar Allan Poe tot Roald Dahl]<br />
* "The Three Strangers" by Thomas Hardy - [http://klasikfanda.blogspot.com/2012/07/short-story-three-strangers-by-thomas.html SUMMARY] - http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472269 The Golden Argosy]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?424385 Tellers of Tales]<br />
* "Leiningen Versus the Ants" by Carl Stephenson - A lurid and much exaggerated account of army ants, but not intended to be taken as speculative, I feel sure - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451254 The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383522 The Big Book of Adventure Stories]<br />
* "The Most Dangerous Game" by Richard Connell -[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Dangerous_Game SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558649 Early September]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?416364 Psychos]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?302214 The Ghouls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291549 The Ghouls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?512071 Alfred Hitchcock's Spellbinders in Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394763 Stories and Storytellers]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573152 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23955 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383522 The Big Book of Adventure Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375279 Verhalen die Hitchcock Koos]<br />
* "Lamb to the Slaughter" by Roald Dahl - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_to_the_Slaughter#Plot_summary SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?176041 Someone Like You (Dell)]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322881 Lamb to the Slaughter and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?480807 Tales of the Unexpected]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?471509 Someone Like You (Livre de Poche)]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?537122 Rakkaani, kyyhkyläiseni / Joku kaltaisesi]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?533499 Lammkeule und andere Geschichten]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371205 M'n Liefje, M'n Duifje]<br />
* "Contents of the Dead Man's Pockets" by Jack Finney - [http://www.elacommoncorelessonplans.com/contents-of-the-dead-mans-pocket-lesson-plans-summary-analysis.html SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180273 The Third Level]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258702 The Clock of Time]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258701 The Clock of Time]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301201 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33359 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439201 The Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301712 The First Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573152 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23955 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375537 Griezelverhalen 2]<br />
* "Two Bottles of Relish" by Lord Dunsany - One of Dunsany's few non-speculative crime stories. [https://cgrishikesh.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/lord-dunsany-two-bottles-of-relish/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?64784 In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588045 In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17298 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17297 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444547 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257830 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 The Unexpected]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9463 Death]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?344994 Masterpieces of Horror]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251144 Owls' Watch]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34443 Tall Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301201 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33359 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [Stories for the Dead of Night http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249393]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253539 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503597 Nacht en Ontij]<br />
* "A Note for the Milkman" by Sidney Carroll - [https://tentoinfinity.com/2013/06/05/a-note-for-the-milkman-by-sidney-carroll/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51648 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193021 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193049 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251425 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180161 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251424 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251426 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263437 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444141 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503597 Nacht en Ontij]<br />
* "The Cone" by H. G. Wells - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cone SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304364 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?574053 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439345 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495929 A Harvest of Horrors]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288845 The Time Machine: An Invention and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360304 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426598 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426599 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331258 Selected Short Stories of H. G. Wells]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?524428 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285926 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352106 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338206 Complete Short Story Omnibus]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37475 The Cone]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?575308 Works of H. G. Wells]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420004 The Country of the Blind and Other Selected Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404370 Der gestohlene Bazillus und andere Geschichten]<br />
* "The Lodger" by Marie Belloc Lowndes - [https://margotkinberg.wordpress.com/2013/06/10/in-the-spotlight-marie-bellocc-lowndes-the-lodger/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18836 Jack the Knife]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27604 Red Jack]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233089 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294185 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; <br />
* "The Terrapin" by Patricia Highsmith - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terrapin SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301711 The Twelfth Pan Book of Horror Stories]<br />
Are there any of those stories you think ARE genre? [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 15:04, 30 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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ADDENDUM: Discussion moved to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Nongenre_stories:_attempt_at_a_roundup Community Portal]. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 00:47, 31 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Four Thousand, The Eight Hundred ==<br />
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Moved the OCLC number from the notes to the new external identifier in our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588412 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:33, 30 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== LCCNs ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your changes to {{P|603503|Spaceman of Bohemia}}, but I made a small change to the notes. A recent new feature is "External IDs", where things like LCCNs should be listed. You supply the number and type, and the software provides organization and links. So I moved the LCCN out of the notes and into the External IDs. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:55, 3 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Cool! Thanks for tip on this new feature. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:24, 4 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:: Reminder about that feature - you just added an LCCN number in the notes of {{P|250594|Lost Cities and Vanished Civilizations}}. I accepted the change (because there were other notes in the submission) but then edited it to move the LCCN number to the new field. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:56, 8 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The SFWA Grand Masters, Volume One ==<br />
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Added cover artist and a couple of notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46928 The SFWA Grand Masters, Volume One].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 22:35, 3 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Karel Čapek's R.U.R. ==<br />
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I'm in the process of correcting Karel Čapek's last name from Capek to Čapek. In nearly all cases we had his name incorrectly listed without the hachek over the C. I've gone ahead and changed the title record for the play ''R. U. R.'' which is included in your verified copy of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48818 The Treasury of Science Fiction Classics]''. Could you check your copy to see if how his name appears in the book. If it is Čapek, then nothing further needs to be done. Otherwise, we need to swap the title in your book for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2218755 this one]. This also assumes that the translation in your copy is by Paul Selver alone. There is a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1314645 different translation] by Selver and Nigel Playfair as by Karel Čapek. If your copy has some other combination of translator, name and title, we may need to add a new title record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:58, 19 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Could you also check his credit for "System" in ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21649 Masterpieces of Science Fiction]''. If it is "Capek", it's probably safe to change it at the title level, since in only appears in reprints of the Moskowitz collection. Also let me know how the credit of his brother appears. I'd like to make the same change to his brother's name after I've finished cleaning up the Karel records. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:03, 20 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::I will do these checks ... but heads-up that my library is boxed-up for a move, and these books probably won't be accessible until mid-September. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:09, 28 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Julie Dillon's Imagined Realms, Book 1 ==<br />
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I added an interior art content item for your verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?564521 Julie Dillon's Imagined Realms, Book 1]''. She received a Chelsey nomination and I wanted to link the award to that title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:38, 8 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Thx! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:01, 8 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Three for Tomorrow ==<br />
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I accepted your addition of the LCCN to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51210 Three for Tomorrow] and then edited to move it to the new field. The changes are: "Moving the LCCN into the new fields; moving the OCLC and using a template to leave it back in the note (needed for the clarification)." Can you please use the new External IDs fields when adding LCCN? Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:41, 10 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Thx for the edit & for the reminder to use the new fields. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:02, 10 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== HTML tags ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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I noticed in a few of your recent submissions, that when you need to add a <nowiki><ul></nowiki> tag to start a list (at the beginning of the notes field), you add a <nowiki><ul/></nowiki> instead. Some tags, such as br for example, can get a / at the end and still be valid, but "ul" is not one of them - its closing element is always at the end after all the "li" tags. I just fixed in in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?159181 here] this evening after approving your update. I am not sure if you are using a weird template or if it is a technical mistake but wanted to bring that to your attention. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:42, 11 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Just habit, from early days of writing HTML when it was required by some parsers. I'll try to break the habit. :) Thx for correction. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:33, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:: I remember those days and the "if IE, else" kind of web development and each new browser was making up their own standards :) If the approving moderator does not see it (there is no indication unless if you examine the html manually from a different screen), it pops on a report - this is where I saw some earlier. So they will get fixed sooner or later - but the way the server is built, any html irregularities can have interesting side effects on the view of that specific book. Thanks for trying to break the habit! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:44, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::: One issue solved, another developed: there was the opposite problem in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?615446 here]. The one at the start should be ul, the one at the end /ul :) This time you had "ul" in both places - edited and fixed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::Just a typo this time. Doh! :) Thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:54, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It is kinda funny in the context of the conversation above though. I hate typos. And I do a lot of them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:07, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Entering contents of "best-of" anthologies ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission and made the necessary merges afterwards. In order to save you what I suppose is a lot of typing, you may perhaps use the "Import Content" function at publication level. By using the bottom part of the screen, you'll be able to enter only the list of titles IDs (e.g. "2029359" for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2029359 this story]). Of course, when "new" variants may be in order, you'll still have to enter them manually. Another very interesting effect is that the titles would be automatically merged saving a lot of submissions and/or approvals. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:43, 17 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:VERY useful tip! Didn't know about that editing tool. You're right: would have saved a lot of typing. :) Thx! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:58, 17 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Alternative Truths ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?615942 Alternative Truths]''. My question is about the change of the name of the two essays. Of course, the ultimate edit is fine. However, I can't think of a reason that the ebook edition should have those titles with "(Alternate Truths)". It's probably an easier edit to update the two title records for the essays individually which could be done in two edits. Otherwise, you'll have to delete the "Alternate" records from both the tp pub and the ebook and import the new titles to the ebook. Or you could delete them from the tp and then merge each of the titles individually keeping the correct title. Either results in more edits than editing the two essay records. The only other issue is that you also have some note updates. I can approve your original edit, if you don't want to re-enter those, or at a minimum we can leave the edit held to make it easier to re-enter the note edit. Let me know how you'd like to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:48, 16 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, Ron. Although there's no reason to assume the ebook's essays are actually mis-titled "Alternate" instead of "Alternative", I don't have the ebook so can't verify. However, if you prefer, I can edit the essay title records rather than the print book listing. I just saved a copy of my notes edit for the book, so can also re-submit those separately if you wish. Your call. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:03, 17 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::Actually, Amazon's [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0718YNJ97?ie=UTF8&tag=isfdb-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325 look inside] will get you the title "pages" for those two essays. Since the parenthetical portion of the title is for disambiguation and doesn't appear in the book, we would have been safe to assume that the correction would apply to both editions even if we couldn't see those pages. Please go ahead and edit the two essay records directly and resubmit your notes. I'll go ahead and cancel the original edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:07, 17 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Men and Machines ==<br />
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You uploaded a cover image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21894 Men and Machines] back in 2011. The cover of my copy is exactly the same, except for the publisher on the bottom of the spine. Yours has "Hawthorn", mine has "Meredith Press". Is it possible that your cover comes from another edition, not in the database? I will be replacing the cover image in a week or so, Thanks for checking, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:24, 18 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, agree you should replace image of my 'Hawthorn' jacket with your 'Meredith' jacket. I've moved recently, and it will be weeks before I can un-box and re-shelf my library. Once I'm able, I'll check my 2 copies of this book and enter a variant record for the Hawthorn version. Thanks for catching this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::Image is replaced. Thanks for the fast response. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:54, 19 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Instrumentality of Mankind ==<br />
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I added the publication date to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185497 pub] and a note explaining the source of the information. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:17, 28 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fiction Writer's Market Place and Sourcebook ==<br />
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re {{P|29190|Science Fiction Writer's Market Place and Sourcebook}}: I accepted your edit, but then restored "Market Place" as two words and also rejected your title edit. Per your pub notes, it's "Market Place" on the title page and we credit per the title page. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:53, 12 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== ''Rogues'' ==<br />
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In your verified publication ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442428 Rogues]'' there's a story titled "Ill-Seen in Tyre" which I've marked non-genre based on the description of it on its author's website. Please correct me if I'm wrong about that. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:38, 15 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Nebula Awards 29 ==<br />
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Updated the notes and publication date for the HC edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23494 Nebula Awards 29]. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 13:26, 16 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Antoni Garcés ==<br />
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In your publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391124 The Ray Bradbury Chronicles, Volume 4] you have an interior art credit to "Garces." Could you check if that is actually "Garcés," and make a note of the spelling? Thanks! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 19:58, 31 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:No accent on the "e" and no first name, it's just "Garces" 3 places: jacket front, jacket back, and interior title page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:01, 1 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Cover Uploads ==<br />
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Hello, please remember that when, you re-upload a cover (like you did for the Bradbury titles), the older version stays archived on our server and uses some precious disk space. The older version must be deleted manually, and IIRC by a moderator a I'm not sure that contributors are allowed to delete them. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:21, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:OK ... is there something I can do myself to delete the old version ... or is there something I can do to help a moderator do this? Reason I'm replacing images is that many of my early postings were done with an old photo editor which did a bad job of compression, so the images are too large, grainy, and contain visual artifacts that aren't actually in the jacket/cover art. Let me know if that's not worth fixing, and I'll stop doing it. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:45, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::I noticed the poor quality of the replaced images, that's why I didn't delete the new ones (tehre are contributors that, because they do not refresh their browser, upload Nth times the same image). I don't know if you can delete them yourself (see if there is some kind of "Delete" link at the bottom of the image wiki page in the "File history" box). Some contributors use [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#delete_an_image The Help Desk] but there are rare. As there are very few moderators that take the time to scan the upload logs, that's why I messaged you. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 01:55, 3 February 2018 (EST)<br />
:::Nope, no "delete", just a "revert" option, e.g. http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:WYFRMHN1947.jpg#filehistory. You say "the older version stays archived on our server". That may have made sense at some point in the past, but if the wiki's disk space is getting scarce and/or expensive, then seems sensible to change that behavior, and to delete archived images. Let me know if anything else I can do or try. In meantime, I'll stop replacing old images until/unless we sort this out. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:56, 3 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Tangled Lands ==<br />
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I'm wondering, do you think [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646553 The Tangled Lands] should be a COLLECTION rather than an ANTHOLOGY? Probably it should be a NOVEL. The Help says, "A publication containing two or more works of SHORTFICTION or POEMs by a single author or authors writing in collaboration should be typed as a COLLECTION. The typing of individual publications which contain works with various combinations of author credit should be discussed on the Community Portal on a case-by-case basis. The title page credit should be the major factor in determining the types of these kinds of publications." However, the blurb describes it as "a fantasy novel told in four parts" and even though the authors took turns writing the parts there is a strong element of collaboration. I think this should be discussed on the Community Portal but I wanted to give you a heads-up because you verified it. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 23:13, 9 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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:No prob moving this discussion to the Community Portal, if there's no established standard for this type of work. You can initiate that post today if you wish ... or I'll initiate it tomorrow if you'd prefer. Here are relevant data points:<br />
::- Awards: should consider how Locus, Nebula, Hugo will treat 'The Tangled Lands'. I anticipate they'll treat it as an anthology, and will consider the two new novellas as separate works. I'll drop an email to Tom Whitmore to see if he has any insight into this. Know anyone else we might ping?<br />
::- Novel: here are 2 examples of collaborative novels: The Mongoliad (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?31922) & Indigo (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2245643). Neither is organized as single-author stories.<br />
::- Anthology: in addition to the audio book I noted, there's also Medea (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?29606).<br />
::- Collection: I don't know of any example of a multi-author work categorized as a "collection". Do you?<br />
:[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:55, 10 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::: Several round-robin multi-author novels are entered as NOVEL, e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2010167 Bookburners] and the Wild Cards novels (e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2275113 Mississippi Roll]). As for multi-author collections, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646132 Darkness Whispers]. Also see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2220963 In This Point of Stillness], a less clear case, described by one of the authors (Mercedes Yardley) as "a limited edition He Said/She Said microfiction collaboration with Dustin LaValley... Each story is quite short (as microfiction is) and they tend to twine together a bit." In other words, the He Said/She Said part of the description suggests that they wrote stories in turn; but it is entered as COLLECTION because of the "collaboration" part of the description and the "twining together" of the stories. <br />
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::: In any case, I would appreciate if you create a Community Portal post tomorrow. Thanks. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 12:49, 10 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::I sent email to locus@locusmag.org asking how they'll classify the book for next year's Locus Awards, and I posted a message to Tobias Buckell's site asking for the authors' preference. Unless you object, I'll hold off on the Community post for a while to see if/how either of them respond. FWIW, Tom Whitmore pointed out that the publisher, Saga Press, refers to the book as a "novel", but noted that's also how publishers referred to Asimov's "Foundation" books, which ISFDB classifies as "collections". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:43, 10 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::: Yes, thanks for doing that. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 15:02, 10 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::::Vasha, please change 'The Tangled Lands' to a collection. I'll do a post to Community Portal to share the responses I got from Locus & Tobias Buckell, which both recommended this classification for the book. And, it needs to be said: you were right. :) Thanks for pushing back. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:53, 21 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::Done. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 18:27, 21 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy: 2016 Edition ==<br />
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Hello, I've corrected a few things in our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?564538 here] (<i>AIR</i> for Ryman, <i>Hemorrhage</i> for Lee, comma for Brenchley) and made appropriate variants. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:18, 15 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for the cleanup edits! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:41, 15 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== World of Wonder ==<br />
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I am currently sorting out different Kafka translations from each other. Could you look inside your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585886 World of Wonder] and see if it says who translated "Metamorphosis"? Thanks a lot. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:48, 19 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Copyright for this story on the "Acknowledgments" page is "copyright by Vanguard Press, 1946", so it's A.L. Lloyd's translation from http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500664. Want me to add this info to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34962 and/or my verified http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585886? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:18, 19 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: Yes, please add the translator info to both eds of World of wonder, and unmerged those novella records t from "translator unknown" and merge them with the 1946 Lloyd record instead. Thanks. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 16:13, 19 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::Un-merged, and just submitted merge with Lloyd translation. Let me know if need to do any other changes. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:56, 20 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Tangled Lands ==<br />
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Added OCLC to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646553 our verified] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:12, 21 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Pretty Monsters ==<br />
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Your verified publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260060 Pretty Monsters] had the title "Pretty Monsters: Stories" but I removed the subtitle because it's usual to not include low-information subtitles like "Stories" or "A Novel" in the database. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:02, 23 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I've seen it both ways, so was unclear on our standard. Good to know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:55, 29 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Resolution ==<br />
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We actually have a type for graphic stories - you enter is as short story and then once approved, there is a checkbox for that (the same way we have for novelization, juvenile and non-genre). I fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2382615 this one]. Should I remove the interior art you added? or keep it there to keep the art credit on the author? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:15, 12 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Good to know. If convenient, please remove the interiorart item. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:18, 12 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: It had been kicked out from the publication and then deleted (as it now did not belong anywhere) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:22, 12 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
::: About your question [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3865458 here] - yep, that is exactly the way to do that :) Thanks for making the variant! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:06, 12 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Orbit 20 ==<br />
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Hi, I plan to add this note to your verified publication Orbit 20 <br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25115<br />
"The copyright registration shows a publication date of March 8, 1978" [[User:PatConolly|PatConolly]] 19:21, 25 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Kepler's Somnium ==<br />
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Hi. I get you to double check the title of "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?69129 Somnium (excerpt)]" on page 65 of Derleth's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4426 Beyond Time and Space]'' E.F. Bleiler, the translator, lists it in his ''Science-Fiction: The Early Years'' as having the title "Somnium; or The Astronomy of the Moon: An Allegory of Science". He also doesn't mention that it is an excerpt. We have the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2391142 story] listed separately from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2391143 notes]. The story is quite short, so I suspect the translation may be complete. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:03, 29 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Clute/Nicholls describes the translation as cut, so it does look like it is an excerpt. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:01, 30 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
::I keep finding more information. I hadn't read far enough in the review in ''Science-Fiction: The Early Years''. Bleiler does state that his translation is "limited to the basic document, with such of Kepler's notes as might interest a layman or explain points in the narrative." I think it might be appropriate to make it a variant of the story. Are the notes presented separately? If so, we could add another title for the abridged notes. If not, we could probably cover this with a note on the title record for this translation. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:46, 30 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::On the title page, the story title in large, bold type is "Somnium: or The Astronomy of the Moon". Below that are two lines in smaller italicized type: "An Allegory of Science, by Johannes Kepler" and "Translated by Everett F. Bleiler". Kepler's notes are embedded in the story as footnotes, so I would recommend they not be listed separately. I believe the story is complete, since it is presented as a dream and ends with the dreamer awakening. For the story title, I'd recommend using just the part in large bold type. The other two lines appear to be informational … and note that I included that information in the title record by quoting Derleth's introduction to the story. I'll go ahead and make the title edit as I've suggested. If you think it should also include the other two informational lines, please make that change. (BTW, apologies for delayed response. Been offline traveling for couple of weeks.) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:10, 2 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Planned Project Scope Expansion ==<br />
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(I am leaving this note on the Talk pages of some of the more active editors to make sure that we are not missing anything. If you have been following [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this Rules and Standards discussion] and agree with the proposal, please ignore this note.)<br />
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As per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this discussion], [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] is about to be expanded to include:<br />
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* Speculative ''fiction'' webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues<br />
* Special speculative ''fiction'' issues of non-genre webzines<br />
* One time speculative ''fiction'' anthologies published on the Web<br />
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If you believe that this scope expansion may cause unforeseen and/or undesirable consequences, please share your thoughts on the Rules and Standards page. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:22, 4 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Leese Webster ==<br />
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Can you check the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308334 your verified]. The original notes were attributing some of the data to OCLC (not specifying which part of the data); your current note attributes the month to it. However [http://www.worldcat.org/title/leese-webster/oclc/4775137 this record] does not say anything about a month. So - would you like to add the OCLC number and do the secondary verification and change the note not to point to OCLC for the month? Alternatively, just edit the notes to remove any reference to OCLC. Or is there another OCLC number that has the month? If so, can we add it? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:55, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:There's no pub month in the book itself. The sept reference was already in the ISFDB record, along with the pub notes referencing Locus #226 & OCLC … so I left all of that in assuming it was already verified info. Amazon says pub month was October. Want to make that authoritative? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:28, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: I am not arguing the month - just the note. The original message was crediting all the info about the book to OCLC and Locus. When you edited it after adding the details from your own book, it now implies that Locus and OCLC have the month as this is all you credit to the secondary sources. OCLC does not contain a month of publication. Hope this makes my message clearer. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:38, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::Got it. Submitted edit to fix. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:16, 7 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Rogues ==<br />
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Added cover artist to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442428 Rogues].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 19:12, 3 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Seetee Shock ==<br />
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{{P|305011|This publication}} is listed as by Jack Williamson, but the cover says Will Stewart. A review for this version says it was published under the Stewart pen name. There is no publication note stating the title page is different than the cover. Would you please double check the credit? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:15, 15 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Good catch. Thanks! I missed that when editing the stub. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:42, 16 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Future Perfect ==<br />
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{{P|14893|Future Perfect}} has two cover records, but no statement explaining that. Is this intentional (separate front and back covers) or an error? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:59, 14 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Not intentional, just an error. Just submitted edit to delete the redundant cover credit. Thanks for the catch! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:14, 17 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
::To get rid of the extra, need to use "Remove Titles From This Pub" vs. editing the pub. I have taken care of it. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:31, 17 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks for the tip, and for editing! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:27, 18 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Stories for Chip ==<br />
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I just noticed that in the Amazon preview of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517781 Stories for Chip] which you verified, the table of contents shows the title on page 65 as "Fantasy Coffin" but at the head of the actual story, it is "Fantasy Coffins." The former is what's in the database. Could you check what's in the book and change it if necessary? Thanks --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha (cazadora de tildes)]] 20:50, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:Wow, great catch (a single-character typo! :) Submitted edits to correct. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:35, 28 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Up the Walls of the World ==<br />
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You wrote: «I've submitted edit to Pub Notes. In particular, I'm noting that there is no statement of edition or printing on the copyright page, and no printing gutter code in the book, which I've verified in 2 copies.»<br />
: You're right about the copyright page, and yes, there is no gutter code. Printing information is given on the front flap of the dustjacket: '7802'. I could not see your submission b.t.w. Many thanks for your compliments about my Farmer Bibliography. [[User:Zlan52|Zlan52]] 19:30, 16 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Election Day 2084: Science Fiction Stories About the Future of Politics ==<br />
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Would you mind taking a look at [[User_talk:SFJuggler#Election_Day_2084:_Science_Fiction_Stories_About_the_Future_of_Politics|this discussion]]? While it's about the hc, it would be good to check the {{P|259665|tp version}} as well. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:18, 31 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Invaders of Earth ==<br />
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Added note to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18482 Invaders of Earth].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 14:23, 1 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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== "Characters in the Margins of a Lost Notebook," in Stories for Chip is not an essay. ==<br />
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I tried to make an edit to change "Characters in the Margins of a Lost Notebook" from ESSAY to SHORTSTORY, but because you're a primary verifier, I think it needs your approval. Can you have a look at it? Thanks! http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4192010<br />
--[[User:Greg Hullender|Greg Hullender]] 11:31, 11 February 2019 (EST)<br />
:::Great catch, Greg. Thanks! Right way to fix is to change the title record, which corrects all appearances (in this case, both the hc & tp versions of 'Stories for Chip'.) I went ahead and submitted that edit, so you can just cancel your edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:57, 11 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== ISBN ==<br />
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Hi, I replaced the ISBN's for both [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2511196 Sunspot Jungle, Volume One] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2511966 Sunspot Jungle, Volume Two] with their actual ISBN. These ISBNs will connect you to the right titles on both Amazon and WorldCat. The original sISBN as supplied by you -which no doubt is also to be found in/on the books- connects you to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?523557 The End of the World Is Rye], both on Amazon and on WOrldCat.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 06:05, 20 February 2019 (EST)<br />
:THANKS! Great fix. I've edited the Title Notes and Pub Notes for the 2 books. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:31, 20 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Books of Earthsea ==<br />
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In your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?678150 The Books of Earthsea], there is a note stating there is an error in some page numbers. There really is not; it is simply that the color plates used as frontispieces for each of the six "books" have no page numbers. The first page of the books, with the title and a B&W illustration each, are the page numbers given in the toc. The last Roman numbered page is xii. I'll depend on Ofeara to fix the page numbers and note. I'm going to add a scan of the cover, a note saying there are 6 color plates on unnumbered pages acting as frontispieces for each volume included, and that the front and rear endpapers have the cover illustration on the left hand panel. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:07, 25 February 2019 (EST)<br />
:OK, thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:54, 25 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Fearn's Liners of Time ==<br />
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Could I get you to double check the publisher of John Russell Fearn's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?314763 Liners of Time]''. We have it listed as "Kingswood", but I'm pretty sure that it should be [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?22005 World's Work] which happens to be located in Kingswood, Surrey. It's listed as World's Work in several of the secondary sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:57, 5 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch! Missed that when I originally edited the stub. Corrected. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:05, 13 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Our World in Space ==<br />
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For the essays in {{P|723198|Our World in Space}}, do they actually have "(Our World in Space)" as part of the title? We only add the book title to generic essay titles (Foreword, Introduction). If an essay has a non-generic title, only the title is entered. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:11, 14 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:No, I added the book title to the essay titles, thinking they were generic. If that's improper, leave off the parenthetical book title. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:25, 14 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:See that you already added the record. I'll edit the essay titles. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:26, 14 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. Changes accepted. Is the "Mars" essay in this book the same as the one in your verified {{P|46566|The Science Fictional Solar System}}? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:59, 14 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::Good catch! No, it's not the same. I submitted title notes for both essays. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:10, 15 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Postscripts ==<br />
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I'm not sure what the problem is, perhaps because I don't know what edits you are trying to make. I added some notes and had no problem. I'm guessing that the problem is related to the specific edit(s); what are you trying to do? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 11:10, 16 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Uh … doh! I added an essay, but didn't notice the type was 'editor' instead of 'essay'. Fixed & submitted. Sorry to bother you. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:16, 16 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::Done the same thing myself, glad you worked it out. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 22:05, 16 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Luna: New Moon ==<br />
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Added interior art credit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?529389 Luna: New Moon][[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:31, 21 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Pulphouse: The Hardback Magazine, Issue 4: Summer 1989 ==<br />
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For the cover artist credit on {{P|60095|Pulphouse: The Hardback Magazine, Issue 4: Summer 1989}}, the artist's 'middle' name is usually given as "Duram". See {{A|Jacqualynn Duram-Nilsson}}. I would like to double check your credit before I make a new alternative name. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:41, 12 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Well, I double-checked, and, yes, it has the "h" ("Durham") on the copyright page, with no hyphen between "Durham" and "Nilsson". So yet another alternate spelling. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:30, 12 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Alternate name created. Thanks for checking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:22, 13 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
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==Nebula Award Stories Nine==<br />
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You primary verified this title:http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23471 I have submitted a change to the "cover" designation for Al Nagy as "jacket design" as per statement on the back flap of the dust cover, and deleted him as doing the "cover art" (which was attributed to Abebooks). [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 2:41, 3 September 2019 (CST)<br />
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== Three Stories ==<br />
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Added a note to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51231 Three Stories].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:45, 6 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Strange Horizons: The Spectrum of Science Fiction ==<br />
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I'll be entering the contents for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?153461 Strange Horizons]. Also a note, most of the essays were published earlier in a briefer version (from page iv). No indication how much briefer these versions were, so I'll variant them to the originals. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:00, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Best Short Novels 2004 ==<br />
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You are a primary verifier of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262895 I have submitted a detail to the pub note (on OCLC's error in the table of contents) & linked Goodreads in external IDs. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 12:21, 9 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Sorry, beat you to it ==<br />
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You got the full service moderator today - who merges and deletes things when they obviously need to be done. :) So the Title remove was already done by the time yours made it to the queue :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:08, 30 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes formatting ==<br />
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When you are just updating a record and you do not plan to verify (or even if you do but there are other verifiers and you are just reformatting and not adding substantial information), please do not change the style of the notes (from non-html to html and vice versa). Not everyone is proficient enough with html to be comfortable with ul/li and we do not enforce one style over the other. Thanks in advance for respecting the other editors' styles. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:02, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:OK, thanks for tip. FWIW, in this case, none of the prior editors are currently active.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:22, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Yeah I know but people leave and then come back sometimes :) Think of it as a courtesy thing - if you are adding a lot of data, you are the one writing the note so you do whatever formatting you want. If you are doing housekeeping, you leave things as you found them and just add/fix. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:33, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::OK[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:37, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Nisi Shawl's ''Talk Like a Man'' ==<br />
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Hi, I'd think the title, and also the notes, would better be adapted to meet the other publications / titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?489 this series]. What do you think, and: shall I do it? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:27, 21 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:Done. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:49, 22 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks! I'll add some more informations to the notes, if you don't mind. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:37, 22 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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::: Done. And the cover image was uploaded too. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:58, 22 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Have Space Suit Will Travel Graphic Novel ==<br />
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I rejected your variant of "Have Space Suit Will Travel Graphic Novel" to "Have Space Suit - Will Travel". A graphic novel version is significantly different than a text version so it would not be considered the same work for ISFDB purposes. Variants are for the same work under a different title / author name. We merge / variant minor differences, but major differences are kept separate works. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:57, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:OK, thanks. Good to know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:06, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Slow Regard of Silent Things ==<br />
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I rejected your deletion of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?520611 The Slow Regard of Silent Things]. I'm pretty sure the edition exists; I've seen a variety of other examples where the publisher produced a limited number of signed copies of trade hardcovers like this. I did change the ISBN to that of the trade edition, and the publication date as well. I looked the book up on bookfinder.com and think I found examples for sale there. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 14:31, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:I'm unclear on ISFDB standard for publisher-signed trade first editions that are finite, but not "limited" (no copy number/letter, no limitation page, no difference in the ISBN or copyright page.) Such copies are indistinguishable from a trade first edition which was event-signed. A "signed copy" sticker on the jacket is not a useful differentiator, because bookstores also do that for their event-signed books (and, anyway, those stickers are usually removed.) I checked, and didn't see any discussion of this in the wiki. If the standard is a separate listing for publisher-signed copies, does it matter if the signature was in-person for the publisher, or autopen? (I've got examples of both.) Anyway, if there's a standard, I'll snap to it of course. If there's no standard, I'd recommend addressing publisher-signed copies via a Pub Note rather than a separate listing. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:08, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::Mark, I don't think there is an ISFDB standard. I asked in the Community Portal, and got two responses from two excellent moderators that were opposites. I suggest that you can use a pub note if you wish, but if someone else has entered the pub as a separate publication, just leave it. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:25, 27 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Author update of Introduction (Time and the Riddle) ==<br />
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Hi Mark, you submitted an author update from ''Howard Fast'' to ''Frank Campenni, Ph.D.''. We do not add titles to names, so I've approved and removed the Ph.D part. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:04, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:Argh! Scrap that. Turns our we do... sorry... [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:08, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{p|250560|((Frequencies))}} ==<br />
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Is it really $17.76, or could it be a typo? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:27, 22 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:Not a typo. That really is the price on the book. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:09, 23 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Collector's Book of Science Fiction ==<br />
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: <s>''to be continued (now falling asleep at the wheel) -Pwendt''</s><br />
Happy February's Eve. You are one of two ISFDB verifiers for ''The Collector's Book of Science Fiction [by H. G. Wells]'' (P{{p|37319}} as April 1978). In contemporary newspapers I find several listings in 1978/79 newspaper advertisements of book sales. US prices $4.99 to $6.99, including one $5.99 as early as August 1978. <br />
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Unfortunately only one December 1979 advert reports a list price (as "$", where I infer Canadian currency):<br />
: Published at C$12.50 [and] Sale price C$7.98<br />
No publisher, so a Canada edition is possible, although not to be expected. The same advertisement also lists ''Science Fiction by the Rivals of H. G. Wells'' (P{{p|29097}} as April 1979) at the same prices C$12.50 and C$7.98. "The Book Barn ... Science Fiction, Astrology and Occult Week", ''The Globe and Mail'' (Toronto), 1979-12-01 p. G19.<br />
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The latter Castle Books anthology I don't find in newspapers by automated search ("Science Fiction by the Rivals").<br><br />
WorldCat reports your collection only as published by Castle Books ([https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3Awells%3B+ti%3AThe+collector%27s+book+of+science+fiction&qt=results_page au:wells; ti:The collector's book of science fiction"]).<br />
: ''to be continued (now falling asleep at the wheel)'' --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:35, 31 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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2020-02-01: Newspaper search from 1980 to 1989 yields no more information about either of the Castle Books publications (except that some of the same bookstores considered it worthwhile to advertise them as titles on sale during 1980). What do you think of this item extending your bullet-list of publication notes:<br />
: C$12.50 list price for this title in Canada (currency and publisher not stated) is noted in one Toronto bookstore advertisement: "The Book Barn ... Science Fiction, Astrology and Occult Week", ''The Globe and Mail'' (Toronto), 1979-12-01 pG19.<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:36, 1 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Science Fiction by the Rivals of H. G. Wells ==<br />
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Hi, again. Since yesterday you are a new primary verifier for ''Science Fiction by the Rivals of H. G. Wells'' (P{{p|29097}} as April 1979). What do you think of this item extending your bullet-list of publication notes: <br />
: C$12.50 list price for this title in Canada (currency and publisher not stated) is noted in one Toronto bookstore advertisement: "The Book Barn ... Science Fiction, Astrology and Occult Week", ''The Globe and Mail'' (Toronto), 1979-12-01 pG19.<br />
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Here you are the only one active among three primary verifiers. The others have not replied on their talk pages since 2014 and 2016. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:48, 1 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for checking, but no problem if you want to add that pub note based on your verification of the 1979 newspaper. Gotta say, I'm amazed that you've got access to such an old paper, and that you found that price reference. Kudos! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:28, 2 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Done. {{done}}<br />
::: For the companion book (immediately above) I await the other primary verifier, who is active.<br />
::: I have a university library subscription to Historical Newspapers at ProQuest.com (ambient inside the main library building). That provides automated text search of contents for many important English-language newspapers and magazines, and images of the hits. I'm sure these searches do miss much original content, but they do hit much. For example that may be more remarkable: Last hour I read some early 1850 notices of ''The Works of the Late Edgar Allan Poe'' published by J. S. Redfield T{{t|1006342}} --including UK price 15s. in one advertisement; unfortunately no US price reported in any of numerous items. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:29, 3 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Royo ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|264622|this book}}, which you are the primary verifier [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 00:58, 10 February 2020 (EST) <br />
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: Susan, I put this submission, making {{A|Luis Royo}} the artist, on hold. You left the pub note saying the artwork is not credited, and you did not give a secondary source for the credit. Where does the credit come from? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:23, 10 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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::Marty, the cover is a version of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1378125 this cover... there's also one without the cape at all... here [https://ofearna.us/art/royo/Women/52-YoungBleys.jpg Royo: Women page 52: "Young Bleys"] [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 20:39, 10 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::Ok, thanks. I accepted the submission and added a reference to the other cover in the pub notes as the source of the artist credit. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:06, 11 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Dangerous Visions - Harlan Ellison ==<br />
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Hello, you are sole PV {{P|225533|here}} and I'd be grateful if you could confirm that each story has an introduction by Ellison and that there's also an afterword by each story's author. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 01:29, 13 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Decades of Science Fiction ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?763295 this one]. Non-fiction pieces outside of NON-FICTION books are always recorded as essays - even if they are a few thousand pages. :) So I changed that while approving. What is the title page showing? Is the Instructor's edition mentioned there (if so, the pub title should change)? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:53, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Hi, Annie. I just uploaded new cover image. No: not the title page nor any other page is different from the 'student' edition. Just the covers and included pages, as described. No prob with your change, of course. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:47, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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:: Ok then :) I was just making sure -- cloning does not allow the change of Pub title so wanted to make sure we do not forget to change it if we have to :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:00, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::: PS: I approved [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4588005 this] as the other PV had been gone for 12 years but even when you are a PV, unless you are the only one, putting a short summary of what you changed in the Notes field is useful for figuring out what information came from where. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:03, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Takeoff ==<br />
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I added the LCCN to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34229 Takeoff]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 16:29, 29 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Reviews in Magill's Survey of Science Fiction Literature ==<br />
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I have added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?768013 this publication] which reprints several book reviews by Jack Williamson, including 4 that first appeared in Frank N. Magill's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?231769 Survey of Science Fiction Literature]''. The reviews in question appear on pages 56 through 72. Please feel free to import them into the correct volume. I'll leave this same note on the other verifier's [[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk page]]. However, they have a note about checking in infrequently, so you may see this first. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:09, 12 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Jules Verne translations ==<br />
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I have been documenting the various translations of Jules Verne's works and trying to identify a piece of text from each translation so editors can position their publications under the correct title record. You are on record as a primary verifier for one or more publications for which I am looking for text or which are placed under a generic translation title. I would be grateful if you could assist in this by checking your copies, as listed below, and providing the initial text for missing translations or an indication of the translation for those unspecified. These are listed on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Jules_Verne_Translations Jules Verne Translations] wiki. Thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:04, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
*Unspecified translation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?698149 Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea] (title) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?407994 Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea] (publication)<br />
:: Excellent. I've started moving the publication's entry to the correct title record. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:05, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
*Unspecified translation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?69127 Doctor Ox's Experiment] (title) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4426 Beyond Time and Space] (publication)<br />
:: Your note says it omits the first paragraph, but sounds more like an introduction. The name of Doctor Ox doesn't come into it until a couple of chapters in. Here are links to the original texts for translations by [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89006931273&view=1up&seq=45 Alger] and [https://books.google.ca/books?id=-QECAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false Towle] (the drop down menu in the upper right will let you jump to the story). Does your copy look anything like either of these? If it doesn't pick up later with something like this, it's likely a new translation entirely. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:05, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
*Unspecified translation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?79820 Master Zacharius] (title) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?763295 Decades of Science Fiction] (publication)<br />
:: Great. I've started moving the publication's entry to the correct title record. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:05, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Edited the pubs, added a note on your talk page.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:02, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Dr. Ox is a lightly edited abridgement of Towle. I submitted pub note update. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:10, 19 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Doctor Ox's Experiment ==<br />
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Regarding your note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4632723 here]: story was moved to where it belongs.<br />
When you need to move a story from one variant to another, it is a two step process. <br />
* Step 1: Open the title page of your story and go to "Unmerge Titles" in the left menu. From the list that it opens, select the publication you want to change and submit. Once this is approved, the story in this book is not connected anywhere.<br />
* Step 2: Merge it with the place it needs to go to(or variant it to the parent if this will be a new variant - in this case, edit as well to add the notes on why it is a new variant). In this case, as the Towle variant existed with the correct title, I simply merged. <br />
Note: This process works for every type of publication except omnibuses - for omnibuses, you should remove the title from the publication and either add or import the correct one instead (these two actions can be submitted in parallel). <br />
Let me know if you have any questions :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:26, 27 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks, Annie! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:58, 28 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other Novelets from Galaxy ==<br />
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Added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55353 The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other Novelets from Galaxy].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:03, 2 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Velocity ==<br />
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Added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423435 this] referring to a copy I obtained recently. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:58, 7 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Harlan Ellison's titles ==<br />
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Hello Mark. Wanted to let you know I've accepted your submissions, but had to fix html for all of them: changed '<a/ href=...' to '<a href=...'. Also, I've fixed a typo in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?56425 this one] where I changed ''PHOENIX WITHOUT AHSES'' into ''PHOENIX WITHOUT ASHES'' -- [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:32, 23 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:THANKS, user:MagicUnk! I apologize for the html typos. Thanks for the fix and the syntax reminder. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:19, 23 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: You're welcome! :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:35, 23 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Binti: The Complete Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you check your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?697576 verified] and see if it has the DAW Collectors number (1813) on the copyright page? I can see it on the ebook so verifying if it is also on the hardcover so we can add it here (or add a note that it is not). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:04, 29 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, it's there. I submitted edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:46, 30 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Long Tomorrow ==<br />
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When you say "graphic stories" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4672604 here], are those heavily illustrated stories or comics (aka if you remove the pictures, does the story hold together?) If they are comics and the story cannot exist without the illustrations (which is my usual experience with Moebius), then this is not eligible at this time (annoys me a lot - I like comics - but we do have the Rules of Acquisition) :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:44, 5 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Annie. Yes, the graphic stories require the artwork, and they are formatted in boxes as in a comic. The stories are clearly genre. The stories are collected in a hardcover book. Moebius is in the Science Fiction Hall of Fame, and has a page in ISFDB. This book is, in all respects, the exact same as the anthologies listed for Stan Lee. Check out his ISFDB page. If the Rules of Acquisition allow the Stan Lee anthologies, they should allow this Moebius collection. IMHO. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:45, 7 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Hello, Annie. Here are some more examples of comic-formatted graphic genre books which are currently allowed in ISFDB: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?22809, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2640629, and http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321468. Reading the Policy and Moderator discussion pages, I believe ISFDB has defaulted to Wikipedia for definition of excluded "comics". IMHO none of these previously allowed books (or the Moebius graphic collection) are "comics" as defined in the Wikipedia article. I see my submission is still Pending, so I'm looking forward to seeing how Moderators resolve this. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:43, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I was mostly away yesterday :)<br />
:: Noone argues that this is not science fiction - it very obviously is. The question is if it meets our definition of "published speculative fiction" and is not excluded specifically. Just because something is allowed before does not make it eligible - we find books that need removing often. <br />
:: The Ray Bradbury books are allowed as "above the treshold" author ones - which trumps pretty much any 'do not include' rule except for non-genre essays in non-genre publication one and similar restrictions. Same for Delany's and Gaiman's. So these are not comparable here - they would not have been allowed if they were not by these authors. Stan Lee's is iffy and do not belong if they are comics and not prose stories with illustrations... I am actually getting one of those anthologies to verify what they are exactly because they got me curious. <br />
:: I am thinking on that - I still find this ineligible UNLESS we add it as non-fiction (aka as an art album) which will be even more absurd as this is not that either. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:22, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: A published hardcover book of SF stories that "very obviously is" science fiction, and is by an SF HoF inductee, is not "published speculative fiction." Yep, I agree: that sounds absurd. Well, I'm here with my box of popcorn, watching the show. Can't wait to see what happens next. ;) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:15, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: A published book of "graphic format" SF stories. That's the part you chose to ignore for some reason. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Exclusions the exclusions]: <br />
::::* Speculative fiction is defined to exclude: ...Comic books, manga, and graphic novels... <br />
:::: That's what makes this book most likely ineligible and that's why I asked if it is illustrated text or sequential art (aka comics). We do not have an exception for SF HOF members unless we want to treat them as above treshold by default (which needs to be discussed with the community) - simply because most of them are obviously above the treshold - there aren't that many comics writers in the list. If you think we need to expand the rules and allow the sequential art forms (comics, graphic novels, mangas and similar), use R&S and find support for it. Moebius is in the DB for his covers, illustrations of other works and essays - not for his comics. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:51, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: PS: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Moebius.2C_SF_HOF_and_comics Moderator Discussion] - if you want to keep an eye on it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:59, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) I rejected the addition. Comics/graphic novels/sequential art are allowed only if they are by above threshold authors (and induction in HOF does not make an author above the threshold if they do not have eligible for inclusion titles) or when they are in part of a genre publication - story in an otherwise non-graphic anthology or in a genre magazine for example. As you can see in the Moderator thread, we are working on revising the help page language so it is clearer what "published" means in terms of ISFDB. Sorry. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:26, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Just as an update - the Stan Lee anthologies above are indeed text stories with 1 black and white illustration each. Which makes them eligible for addition. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:53, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== This Is How You Lose the Time War length ==<br />
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Would you please look at [[User_talk:PeteYoung#This_Is_How_You_Lose_the_Time_War_length|this discussion]]? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:58, 12 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::We don't need to count words. When I originally edited the stub I left it as a novel. Since then, the authors & the awards committees agree the story is a novella, so the book is a chapbook. I just submitted edits to change the book to chapbook and the title to novella. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:53, 13 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Hill's ''Full Throttle'' Barnes & Noble signed edition ==<br />
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https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipM1fA6VIB43YORailKnPQt9-mleV5ulwooDSqv4j8hBfbB_-mVoLJU7CkK8p_QwTw?key=TXlvLXlTX1RUeVZ5cGZaX2ZmWjk4YnpjZDNLZTR3<br />
finally got around to pulling this book and took photoes [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 01:36, 17 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Art of Richard Powers ==<br />
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Hello. I agree with your deletion, but I have put your submission on hold as I'd like to check in with Ahasuerus if he can move that single PV to the UK edition record. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:51, 21 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Hi Mark. I've finally accepted your delete submission - sorry for the long wait. Totally lost sight of it. Hope you'll forgive me [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:01, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Title Record Formatting ==<br />
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HTML formatting should not be used in titles (publication or content). It breaks search as users would not be able to find the title without typing the HTML. You are welcome to document the formatting in the notes if you wish. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:03, 26 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant Dates ==<br />
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I had to reject a couple of changes to variant dates. Variants are dated to the first appearance of the variant, not of the parent. This allows people to see history of title, credit changes, etc. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:36, 27 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:OK. I was unclear on that policy. Thanks for clarification. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:51, 27 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Lamps on the Brow ==<br />
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Would you please check the title of the story on page 89 of {{P|185009|Lamps on the Brow}}? Is it "Hermes' Horn" as listed or "Hermes' Lady"? There is another who says they have the book and wants to change it. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:35, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Whoops. The title for that story should be "Herne's Lady", not "Hermes' Lady". "Herne" is last name of a character in the story. I missed that when verifying. Let me know if you'd like for me to make that edit. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:50, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I made the change. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:38, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hidden Girl and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hi Mark, in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?753516 verified pub], how about removing the "An excerpt from..." from 'A Chase Beyond the Storms', as it's not strictly part of the title of the story? I've just verified the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?757447 UK edition] and I've added that particular detail to the Notes. What do you think? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 15:51, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:OK, I made the change in the US edition. I assume you'll make the change in the UK edition. FWIW, "an excerpt from ..." is in the Table of Contents and the story's title page, but it's in italics so I'm OK with not treating it as a subtitle. Regards. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:07, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Adventure ==<br />
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Left a message with [[User talk:MLB|MLB]]. If he agrees, I will change. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:32, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Change made. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:20, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Art of George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice & Fire ==<br />
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Regarding your ''The Art of George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice & Fire'' submissions: You are adding a pub series for these books. We differentiate between publisher level series like {{PubSeries|26|Ballantine Adult Fantasy}}) from title series (universe or groupings of books independent of publisher like {{Series|11825|Dune Universe}}). This would seem to be better represented as a title series since they would still be in the same series even if a different publisher would reprint them. Thoughts? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:58, 28 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:As there has been no response, I have gone with a title series instead. I accepted the new pub edit and the additional details to the other pub, but rejected the edit that only added the pub series, removed the pub series from the other two, and added the title series. For {{P|336761|Volume 2}}, the record has a "2", but the cover has "Two". If the title page is different than the cover, it would be good to add a pub note stating they differ. If the title page has "Two", than the record needs to be updated. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:31, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for correcting the series, and pointing out the title issue. Just submitted edit to fix the title ("Two" instead of "2".) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:49, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== ''SpaceShip One: An Illustrated History'' ==<br />
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I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4704029 your submission of ''SpaceShip One: An Illustrated History''] on hold and I am trying to figure out whether the book is eligible for inclusion based on our inclusion policy.<br />
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Your Note to Moderator reads "entering because of Arthur C. Clarke's Foreword". I think the relevant part of the [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition|Rules of Acquisition]] is:<br />
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* Works (both fiction and non-fiction) which are not related to speculative fiction, but were produced by authors who have otherwise published works either of or about speculative fiction over a ''certain threshold'' (see below). This includes any non-genre works published as standalone books as well as non-genre short fiction, but '''excludes non-fiction which was not published as a standalone book''' [emphasis added]. Thus, Poul Anderson's mysteries and his non-fiction book about thermonuclear weapons will be included, but Gregory Benford's professionally published scientific articles will be excluded.<br />
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The wording is a bit convoluted since it tries to cover multiple scenarios. However, the emphasized part appears to suggest that we shouldn't be entering otherwise ineligible publications just because they include non-fiction essays by authors "above the threshold" (like Clarke.) Would you agree? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:40, 28 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I defer to you, of course, since you've got a concern I don't: conservation of cost/space. If that's an issue, then I understand why the wiki policy needs to be ring-fenced so carefully. If there were no cost/space constraints, I'd argue in favor of more inclusive guidelines to support the research and archive goals of the wiki. Case in point: I'd include a non-genre publication in order to document an Arthur C. Clarke essay about space exploration. Bottom line: I'll continue to submit publications I think are appropriate, but I've got no problem with moderators making conservative choices to conserve cost/space. Thanks for asking, though. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:19, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: I don't think it is a space/cost thing as much as not loading the DB with thousands of books which are out of scope. Some of the modern genre writers have penned hundreds of introductions outside of the genre for example... And we are mainly a fiction DB - so we are more restricted on the non-fiction as a rule -- we will get any fiction piece we can claim as published (and which is not a comics/GN) but for non-fiction, we are a bit more careful. We can always reopen the discussion on that - and change the consensus - as we did when we opened the rules to allow webzines for example. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::: That's right, the space/cost associated with an additional non-fiction book -- or even 50,000 additional non-fiction books -- would be marginal. The main problems would be performance and the ease of navigation. Clarke's (or Asimov's) "Summary" pages are already very busy, take a long time to compile/display and are hard to navigate. Adding hundreds of forewords, magazine articles, etc would aggravate the problem. It would also create thousands of new author records for people who are not directly related to written SF, in this case Dan Linehan.<br />
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::: More broadly, it's important to make sure that all submissions adhere to [[ISFDB:Policy]] as closely as possible. Even if a moderator approves a book that is "out of scope" as currently defined, there is nothing stopping another editor from coming across it a month or a year later, saying "Hm, this is clearly out of scope" and deleting the record. A creation-deletion cycle like that would generate a great deal of frustration for everyone involved.<br />
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::: If you would like to see the inclusion policy changed, please start a discussion on the [[Rules and standards discussions]] page. Policies do change over time -- in 2020 alone we have made 8 changes as per [[Rules and standards changelog]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:52, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::::I appreciate your all's perspective. Thanks for replies. I don't want to add to the moderators' workload, so I'm not going to pursue a broader policy. Thanks to all moderators for your service. And apologies in advance if I occasionally submit another out-of-scope pub. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:44, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Teen-Age Science Fiction Stories ==<br />
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Cover and explanation of its provenance added to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391031 verified]. Let me know if you have any concerns with it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:09, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Excellent edit. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:45, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== {{P|286141|Adventure in Space}} ==<br />
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Hi, this publication is showing up on the cleanup reports for a mismatch between the publication author (MacVicar and Moore) and the title author (uncredited).<br />
If the title page does not list both authors and 'only' states the book's title <i>Adventure in Space</i> then you will want to change the publication author to uncredited, too, or the title author, if the two names are indeed stated on the title page. Thanks. John. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 16:32, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:fixed. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:11, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Perfect Robot ==<br />
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Does {{P|28382|Robots Robots Robots}} state the translator for "The Perfect Robot" (page 225) or that this is the same version as from ''Time Out of Mind''? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:04, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:It's the same. Footnote credit is "Reprinted from 'Time Out of Mind and Other Stories' by Pierre Boulle, Copyright 1966". Let me know if you'd like me to add a pub note. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:09, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I added the translator credit to the {{T|79792|The Perfect Robot}} title record and wanted to make sure they were all the same. If not, we'd split them out into separate variants. Your choice on the pub notes. The title translator note is supposed to be sufficient. However, we're not always great at ensuring those are correct for all pubs under the record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:24, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Fool's Gold ==<br />
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The price for Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263975 pv pub] is given as £3.50 in [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?fn=search&vl(freeText0)=9780200726221 British Library]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 16:06, 14 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! Submitted edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:32, 14 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Dead Astronauts ==<br />
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Hi, the record of your primary-verified {{P|741608|Dead Astronauts}} states 336 pages. I've got the same edition and printing, but my copy has 323 pages only, not 336. Can you please check you copy?<br />
Also, I'd change the publisher from "MCD" to "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?59418 MCD / Farrar, Straus and Giroux]" (see copyright page). <br />
Thanks, Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 15:22, 18 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch, Jens. Thanks! Page count was just a typo. Glad you caught it. I submitted edit with your fixes. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:34, 18 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Great, thanks. Approved, and verified it myself now. :) Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 15:36, 18 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Stanisław Lem ==<br />
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Hello Mark. You requested to delete author record {{a|Stanislaw Lem}} and move its interior art records to Stanisław Lem. However, we can't do that as there are publications that use Stanislaw Lem as author name (without the Polish ł). Looking into your request some more, it is somewhat complicated. First of all, it must be established that the author's name in all editions of {{p|47795|The Star Diaries}} is indeed written as Stanisław Lem. If it is, than it is a simple matter of updating the author of each individual contents record to the author's name (with Polish ł). If it is not, then the titles must first be unmerged from the ones with, and without, Polish ł. And then again update the contents titles that have the Polish ł author name (and leave the ones without Polish ł as-is).<br />
Could you confirm what the individual editions have as author name? (Looking at the covers, I'm afraid it's going to be the latter, and first unmerge titles...)<br />
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By the way, probably a good idea to check in with more seasoned moderators, too (think Annie :) Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:00, 20 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry, the names looked identical to me. I didn't notice that small difference between "l" and "ł". Uh ... what if we just leave everything like it is? Seems like it'll be a lot of work to sort this out. That said: if the moderators decide y'all want to do it, I've got a lot of Lem's English-language publications, so I could submit edits as needed for all my books. Your call. Let me know what you want to do. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:22, 20 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: If you could confirm your edition of {{p|47795|The Star Diaries}} has the Polish "ł"? I'll then have a look at it myself. Also, please do not hesitate to add/update records for Lem publications you own. We like our little database to be as accurate as possible :) Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 01:48, 21 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::OK, you can see on image I posted it uses the "Polish i", so I submitted edit changing all non-imported instances of his name. Let me know if I should switch all the imported content to versions with 'Polish i'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:49, 21 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Yes :) Contents author should match the container one (unless the stories have their own title pages where it is credited differently). PS: It is a Polish L, not I. Polish is one weird language (in a sea of weird language in the Western Slavic branch) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:20, 21 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Cincinatti ==<br />
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In {{T|2697368|Cincinatti Lou}} is the misspelling of Cincinnati original to the publication or a database typo? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:28, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch. Thanks! Submitted edits to correct the typo. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:43, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Star Diaries ==<br />
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Your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47795 The Star Diaries] somehow got the author Stanislaw Lem labelled as a variant of Stanislaw Lem, causing the duplication of the author in the data base. I've gone through and eliminated the duplication of the author's name in the pub and the stories in the pub. Can't imagine how that happened. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:43, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Bob, PLEASE make sure you are not undoing all the splitting we did between Stanislaw Lem and Stanisław Lem - that "L" in the first name is different in both forms - l vs ł. The Polish name uses ł. A lot of the modern editions use that in other languages as well. Older ones use a normal l. We NEED both names in the DB. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:50, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: And you can see the thread just a few lines above [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood#Stanis.C5.82aw_Lem here] where we actually talked about that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:53, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) Markwood, can you do me a favor and look through this one again. I fixed all the author names, connected all to their originals, added the translator and copied the pages from the old record but a second set of eyes, especially with the book, on the page numbers will be appreciated. I am also going to chase down the rest of the editions that do not have the Polish L - at least a few need to join yours - but I need to look at title pages to be sure. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:16, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Annie, I'm in awe. I have to use a magnifying glass to see that tiny cross-stroke on the "Polish L". :) I reviewed "The Star Diaries" listing and can confirm you got every one. Checked my Lem books and found four more that have same problem: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?86312, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188337, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37775, and http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22921. All have the Polish L on title page and jacket front. If you want to share the work, let me know which 2 you'll do, and I'll do the other 2. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:53, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Well, I will love to help if you need assistance. I see two novels and 2 collections so why don't you try your hand in one of the novels and see how it goes and let me know if you want me to just swap them. The steps for collections are (let's take [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22921 this one] which has 14 stories):<br />
::::* Unmerge the COLLECTION record to pull this one out from the ones with the English l in the name and variant it back up and add translator - 3 edits <br />
::::* Remove all the stories and added the same stories but with the correct author (keeping track of what is on what page in the process and matching the length field) - as we did not have records for them under the proper name - 1 edit (add stories, fix the pub and title author name), one removeTitles to get the old stories out. <br />
::::* Add translator to all old ones (that do not have it - if we are around anyway) and all new stories (14+14)<br />
::::* Variant the newly created titles to their originals. (14)<br />
:::: So at least 57 edits to get this one book to look as it should if you do not need to redo any. Maybe a few less if some of the old stories already have translators :) <br />
:::: For a novel, it is much easier (as the initial unmerge will give you the pub to edit and you can do everything inside of it (so unmerge to pull the publication out, then once approved, just edit the new publication that carries the new title (change the author name on both places on the Pub Edit screen as now this title is only in this publication) and then add translator to the TITLE record and variant it to the original and you are all done in 4 edits). Let me know if something is unclear and how you want to proceed. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:36, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::I submitted edits for the 2 novels. As for the other ~100 edits to do the 2 collections ... uh ... I'm gonna pass for now. I've got time for a handful of edits per day, so it'd take me weeks at this time to do the collections. When I've got more free time I'll check the collections and do the edits if still needed. Really sorry I can't tackle that right now. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:36, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I will clear them up tonight or later this week. :) And no worries at all -- collections with translations can be... interesting to work on. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:05, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: OK, Step 1 on these 2 novels approved. I am around for when you submit the unmerge on both to approve for you. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:15, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::Annie, appears I'll need for you to do the unmerge. I've never done that and assumed I could figure it out ... but there's no 'unmerge' on editing menus, and there's no 'unmerge' Help topic in the wiki, so ... Help me, Obi Wan Annie, you're my only hope. ;) Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:58, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: It is on the title level, not on the pub level. So let's work with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?86312 this one]. Click on the title record: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?187178 here]. Now look at the left menu and locate "Unmerge Titles". It will open [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/tv_unmerge.cgi?187178 this]. Locate your book (as you changed the author already, just search for "Stanisław" and it will pop up (it is the first one). Once approved, your book will get away from the others. As you already fixed the publication, all that will remain after that will be to edit the new title records (to add the translator - the author will get fixed from the unmerge as it will pick it up from the publication) and then to make it a variant of the Polish record. Would you like to try to do this with the two of them? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:07, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::THANKS! Always good to learn something. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:17, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::: Teach a man to fish... (and then you do not need to wade in the cold water at 4 am in the morning). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:57, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::::: I saw that you fixed that one, I finished [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188337 this one] just now so the two novels are all set :) I will work on the two collections later this week. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:38, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== tr-template ==<br />
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Hello. Just a quick note to use the tr-template <nowiki>{{tr|name}}</nowiki> when adding translators to notes. Using it will make it easier to convert to proper translators field (and narrators and...) once we have support for these. Regards[[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 02:03, 23 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Cool! Didn't know about Templates, had never used them. Thanks for expanding my HTML vocabulary! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:40, 23 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Well, it's actually not html (as far as I understand it), but a construct that is used in the ISFDB for all kinds of templates. Have a look [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Templates here] for what you can use (do note that there are actually two sets of templates; [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Templates one set] to use in the ISFDB itself, the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Linking_templates other set] for use in this wiki). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:58, 23 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Parable of the Sower variant ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4776933 this one]: We do not variant adaptations into their originals. Variants are used in four cases for text titles:<br />
* Same text (with minor revisions) but different forms of the title or author<br />
* Translation<br />
* In case of novels, splitting the novel into volumes<br />
* Serializations (as serials)<br />
When the work is an adaptation (being it in graphic format or for younger readers for example), we connect only via the notes (or via adding them into a series together). If the graphic novel contains the complete text of the story (some of Shakespeare's GNs are like that), the text story should be added as a text story (in this case, it is a real adaptation so this does not apply). Hope that makes sense and let me know if I can assist further. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:02, 28 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for info. Good to know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:10, 28 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Saga Press vs. Saga Press / Gallery ==<br />
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Hello Mark. You've PV'd {{p|753516|The Hidden Girl and Other Stories}} and {{p|717815|Unforeseen}} and {{p|717832|This Is How You Lose the Time War}}. In light of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Issue_with_Saga_Press_-_how_to_resolve.3F this discussion], would you be OK with checking the copyright page, and thus converting the publisher to just Saga Press? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:28, 14 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Done. No prob. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:36, 14 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Kingdoms of the Wall ==<br />
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Hi Markwood,<br />
I have edited the record for Kingdoms of the Wall. Might want to check your copy, make sure the info I have added doesn't conflict. Let me know if there is a problem. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 18:21, 20 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Good edits. No prob. Thx for heads-up. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:42, 20 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Edited by ==<br />
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Are you sure that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2789633 this cover] is by Elana Balbusso and not Elena Balbusso? :) As far as I know, there is no third Balbusso sister called Elana :) Also - when adding the same art, you can import instead of adding a new record - I merged the two that got created when you added the two separate records in both books. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:46, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:I'm 100% certain the first name is spelled "Elana" on the back flap of the dust jacket ... but now that I've checked the extensive illustration listing for "Elena", I'm 99% certain it's a typo. I'll go with that assumption and make the edits. As always, THANKS for the careful review, Annie! And, BTW: ISFDB was included in Ellen Datlow's Acknowledgments! :) I'll add that info to the pub record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:04, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: :) They are a pretty well known pair (or at least they seem to illustrate for publishers I tend to like) so it caught my eye. I did some varianting so that the cover shows where it belongs. Now if I figure where I stashed my own copy of that book... :) Meanwhile we are all set with this record now I think. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:59, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Tony Roberts art is in fact by Chris Foss ==<br />
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A good new year! I just have merged the cover art that was indexed as to be by Roberts with the existing one by Foss, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40336 here]. I do wonder how that credit came into the db: it just reminds one of how important it is to source data within the notes. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:43, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Spaceship vs Space Ship ==<br />
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Hi Markwood -<br />
Could I get you to double check title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?428513 this publication]? The cover scan and the Worldcat both have it as "Space Ship", whereas we list the title as "Spaceship". There's also a earlier printing with an active verifier of whom I'll be asking the same question. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:22, 9 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Good catch, Ron. Yep, it's "Space Ship". Submitted edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:13, 9 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Plague of Demons & Other Stories / Keith Laumer ==<br />
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I see you've PV'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?984] and would like it if you'd check the title page for the use of 'and', rather than '&' in the title. I'm PVing the pb version and it has the spelled out 'and'. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 00:36, 25 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Good catch! It's "and". I've submitted edit. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:46, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21847 Memoirs of a Space Traveler] ==<br />
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Hi, I imported the interior artworks to the publication verified by you. While doing this, a question (well, two) occurred to me: Is there really the full letter line A-E? The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?267 note] on the publisher would suggest that none is to be expected (and if so, we would have a likely doublette in the database, with date 0000-00-00). Second, the OCLC / WorldCat mentions a statement for "A Helen and Kurt Wolff book", which would be considered as a pub. series (as with mine pb copy). Can you have a look into the matter? Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:06, 2 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:Submitted edit. Thanks for catch! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:08, 2 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Thank ''you'' for the look-up! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:10, 3 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== James Blish's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9615 The Quincunx of Time] was identified as a novella ==<br />
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Hi, Mark! It happened [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#James_Blish.27s_The_Quincunx_of_Time_appears_to_be_a_novella here]. I'm going to change the pub.s and titles accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:03, 10 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Down Here in the Dream Quarter ==<br />
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Hi, I submitted an update of this record: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10760 which you PV'd. I don't have a copy of the book, but on the basis of the scanned cover, and the OCLC WorldCat record, classified it as part of the publication series "Doubleday Science Fiction." Can you verify that those words appear on the hardcover spine of your copy of the book? Doubleday did not put the series designation anywhere else in these books. You might want to look at the exchange I had w/ the moderator on this book at the end of my talk page: http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hifrommike65 Thanks. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 06:42, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:Yes, it has "Doubleday Science Fiction" on the spine. I spot checked a dozen or so books with "Doubleday Science Fiction" on the jacket spine, and only one did not also have "Science Fiction" on its spine: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258494. But that book does have the 'rocket ship & book' logo on its spine, so it's clearly in the series. Looks like you've undertaken a massive project to add this to the all the books in this series. Let me know if any other way I can help. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:36, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks gentlemen! I will approve the update then. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:50, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Small Magic: Short Fiction, 1977-2020 ==<br />
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I assume that the comma in this title is from the title page (I can see it on the ebook now)? As the cover has a ":", add a note to the publication explaining the discrepancy (see how I did on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819338 the ebook]). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:44, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:fixed. FWIW, I've not seen the ebook, but find it weird if it's got two colons in its title. If the first colon is being 'assumed', then I'd suggest assuming a comma as on the print title page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:50, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: The first colon is the 'and here comes the subtitle' one. The second is indeed a comma on the ebook title page and I fixed that. The one with the two colons on the list is the audiobook - its title is based on the cover only (because audiobooks have no title pages) and it is an obvious colon there. Thus the variant. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:38, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== After: Nineteen Stories of Apocalypse and Dystopia ==<br />
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Fixed page count and added missing essay in your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?396310 After: Nineteen Stories of Apocalypse and Dystopia].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:50, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:46, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dead Lines ==<br />
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I added language to the jacket design and illustration credit for {{p|62736|Dead Lines}} [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 16:16, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Martian Race ==<br />
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Just added a couple of pub notes to {{p|43915|The Martian Race}} [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:30, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:24, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cosm & Eater ==<br />
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Added pub notes and LCCN. Also merging the Afterword to {{p|8027|Cosm}}. Let me know if you disagree. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 12:55, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Same for {{p|11884|Eater}} [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:15, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Fugitive Telemetry ==<br />
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I converted {{P|828104|Fugitive Telemetry}} to a chapbook based on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4974221 this edit]. In doing so, I noticed you have primary verified the publication, but the pub notes still say "Data from Amazon.com as of 2021-03-15." When a book is primary verified, the data should be coming from the book. If there is data not in the book and comes from a secondary source instead, the pub notes should specify what data comes from the secondary source (ex "Publication date from Amazon.com as of 2021-03-15"). If you get a chance, can you please update the pub notes? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:01, 1 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Done. Thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:53, 1 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hive ==<br />
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just added a couple ext ID's to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?712443 The Hive]. no changes [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:51, 7 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gift of Fire / On the Head of a Pin -- Walter Mosley ==<br />
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I've changed the title to use a '/' rather than 'and' for your PV [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?380840]]. This seems to be best practice (I've checked Amazon look-inside to confirm the setup matches my pb copy). --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:40, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Mailer's A Fire on the Moon ==<br />
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I was a little overzealous in approving an edit to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308500 copy] of this book and I do apologize for that. I hadn't noticed your verification until I went to check about why the title record wasn't updated with the publication record. The original title of the publication record was "Of a Fire on the Moon". The URL that [[User:Username|Username]], [https://picclick.com/A-Fire-on-the-Moon-by-Norman-Mailer-183425761963.html], had in the moderator notes does show a scan of the title page with the shorter title. If the scan agrees with your copy, we still need to unmerge the title record and make the variant relationship. I can let you do this, or if you'd prefer, I'm happy to fix it myself. If it doesn't agree, then let me know that too and I can put the record back as it was. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:17, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Ron. Gotta apologize: I originally verified the UK version by mistake, then correctly verified the US version ... and got distracted and forgot to go back and un-verify the UK version. Just now rectified that. I CAN verify that the US version is "Of a Fire on the Moon" on its title page, if that helps. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:42, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== An Ancient Gulliver ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4982429 this submission]: Excerpts should be dated as of the date that excerpt appeared, not the date of the work from which it was taken. I restored the 1967 date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:53, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:OK. Good to know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:04, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fiction Adventure(s) from Way Out ==<br />
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Hi<br />
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You're the only active verifier for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29083 Science Fiction Adventure from Way Out]''. While searching for the Worldcat record I noticed that Worldcat and the other secondary sources (Reginald, Contento, Clute/Nicholls) all have the title as "Science Fiction Adventure'''s''' from Way Out". It appears that we had the title with the plural adventures at one point as the disambiguation on the introduction has it that way. I also notice that the cover has the singular adventure. Could you double check the title page and see if it is "Adventures" there? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:No "s", Ron, on title page, same as the cover: "Science Fiction Adventure [sic] from Way Out". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:03, 14 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for checking. I'm going to put a note on the record about the incorrect title in the secondary sources. That should hopefully keep someone from asking you the same question in the future. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:36, 14 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperial Earth ==<br />
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Added a note and an ext ID to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192257 Imperial Earth] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:35, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sphere ==<br />
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Added a note and ect ID's to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31675 Sphere] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:18, 21 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== A Case of Need ==<br />
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Added pub notes and ext ID to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298 A Case of Need] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:42, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Prey ==<br />
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Added notes and imported title to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26612 Prey] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:39, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== State of Fear ==<br />
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Added pub notes and imported content and ext id's for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?300982 State of Fear][[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:07, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Home: Habitat Range Niche Territory ==<br />
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Hello Mark, could you check whether the title of the short story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?829116 this publication] is with, or without commas? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:40, 31 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:No commas. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:30, 31 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks Mark! Looks like I have a variant title then :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:08, 1 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Galaxy's Edge, Issue 41 ==<br />
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Hello. I've accepted your submission, but reverted the page count back to 116, as the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages help says]: ''For magazines, the rule is to use the actual page count - including the cover.'', so always even number for magazine page no's. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:01, 15 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Good to know. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:15, 15 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Solaris US publisher ==<br />
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You're one of the folks with a Solaris US publisher PV [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?316736]]. Could you weigh in at [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#The_Dragon.27s_Nine_Sons_.2F_Solaris_US]]? Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:51, 16 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I checked 6 US edition books (3 paperback, 3 trade papers) published in 2007, 2008. 2009, 2016, 2017, and 2018. All published by Solaris, none by "Solaris US". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:45, 18 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Lone Star Planet ==<br />
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I approved your submission of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?848702 Lone Star Planet] from Aegypan Press, but had to change the date to 0000-00-00. The publication date could not be the copyright date.[[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:01, 22 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:It's print-on-demand. Should I use "0000-00-00" date for any future POD pubs I post? Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:43, 23 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: No. If a date can be derived from somewhere (the book itself (title page, a store, publisher and so on), we use that even if the books are POD (because we do not record different batches and printings on POD as with standard publishers so if Amazon has 2021-03-12 for example, even if the individual book is printed on 2021-04-05 and the publisher prints each book when ordered, we still use the date for the batch/availability)... But the copyright date usually has little to do with when the book is published - so it goes into the notes but we do not use it as a date. Hope this makes sense. PODs can be a pain. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:50, 23 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== His Master's Voice ==<br />
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Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5039365 this submission] that I'm holding. Please let me know if this is truly a database error and this should be accepted or if your pub does have the "A" and this should be rejected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:11, 31 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:My edit is accurate: copyright page has "First edition" and "B C D E", as was HBJ standard for a first printing from 1973 to 1983 per the publisher's page on ISFDB. Thanks for checking, though. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:47, 31 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Your publication notes had "A B C D E". Another editor, Zjanes, submitted the change (unless you are editing under two accounts). That is why I double checked. I have approved their edit. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:02, 31 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Wow. OK, THANKS for catching my error. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:16, 31 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== World's Spring ==<br />
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Added notes and publication series to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55387 this] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:26, 5 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== jack payne artist ==<br />
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I split off this cover artist for pub you verified from the other John Payne, not artist and long dead. http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23499, if you have no objection. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 14:08, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:01, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Freedom Beach ==<br />
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Hi Mark, Note to Moderators from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5069101 this submisison] says ''For what it's worth, the novel also includes a variation of the short "Faustfeathers" by Kessel. Perhaps that should be included as well.'' (no idea whether the editor refers to all editions, or a specific one). As you are an active primary verifier, could you have a look and add it if relevant? (I'll leave a note on Dirk's & Mhhutchins talk pages as well) Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:08, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, the 3rd chapter of "Freedom Beach" is titled "Faustfeathers" and it shares a substantial amount of text with the story by that title in "Meeting in Infinity" ... but IMHO it's not identical enough to say it's the same work, or even necessarily an earlier version of the same story. Istead, seems to me the later story is a "fix up" of the earlier chapter. I'd recommend against creating a new story record for the chapter and, instead, add a pub note to both books about this. I'll be glad to do that if you agree. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:49, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Absolutely! Notes it is :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:54, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Edits submitted. Let me know if any need editing. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:49, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Voices from the Sky: Previews of the Coming Space Age ==<br />
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Hello! Done your order.Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 13:59, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Stepford Wives ==<br />
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(Moving from the user page: This is regards of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?376649 this book].<br />
hi, my copy has all of the first edition points that you listed but my jacket price is $5.95. Can you please check your copy and/or let me know what you think.<br />
thanks, Ray [[User:Lem|Lem]] 10:28, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Lem. I just verified, added copyright page info, and formatted a pre-existing record which had the $4.95 price. My copy is price-clipped, so I left the $4.95 price. But I did add the statement about price "on jacket front flap" since my flap had been clipped. My recommendation: verify the record and change the price to match your verified copy. Glad you checked! Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:02, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Feghoot in Special Wonder ==<br />
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There is one of Grendel Briarton's Ferdinand Feghoot stories in ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2930509 Special Wonder]'' which you have verified. We had the story merged with the first story in the series (Many of the stories use the same title). However, Contento notes that the first appearance of the story in ''Special Wonder'' was in the June 1967 issue of ''The Baker Street Journal''. I've requested a pdf of the story from the Journal, but in case they can't provide it, I was wondering if you could let me know the opening line from the story in the anthology. That way I should be able to determine which of 100 Feghoots reprinted in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37914 this] collection it is, and get it varianted to the correct title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:07, 11 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Ron. I've submitted an edit to the story title record, adding to its notes the first couple of sentences. Let me know if I can do anything else to help. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:25, 11 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::That's perfect. I do have one other related to this title. A story with the same title appears on page 152 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40971 this] anthology. In this case, Contento suggests that the story is original to the anthology. Again, if you could provide me with the opening line, I'll try to match it. I may not be able to as it may have been published after the Mirage collection. For now, I'll leave it merged with the May 1956 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?88888 story] from ''F&SF''. I've added the first line there, so if it matches, then we're good as is. For the first one I asked about, it's number 86 in the series and I'll update accordingly. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:50, 11 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::The Feghoot in 'Great Science Fiction Series' is new, per Bretnor's intro essay. I just submitted a couple of edits I think will clear this up ... but navigating all these Feghoot series, titles, and publications is confusing, so I'll re-check my edits after they're processed to see if they cleared it up. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:21, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::Yes, it doesn't help that the are at least 122 stories with either identical or inconsistent names. That's why I've been adding the opening phrase to the records. I've got those for the first 100 stories to which I've been able to assign numbers. Unfortunately, the final [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?887828 collection] appears to be quite rare. I've found a few numbered reprints in other anthologies and will be adding them. I've approved your edits. Thanks again for your help.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:06, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy: 2016 Edition ==<br />
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Hi Markwood,<br />
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Do you confirm the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2038397 this essay], i.e. "2015" instead of "2016" ? Or is that a typo ? Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 04:37, 14 October 2021 (EDT).<br />
:Yep, it's about 2015, when all the stories were published. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:01, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks ! I was just wondering, because the same title occurs in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1878751 2015 edition]… [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 11:06, 14 October 2021 (EDT).<br />
:::I just checked Horton's 'Best of 2015' and, yes, same title for his intro essay as in his 'Best of 2016'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:11, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::Ah well… Thanks again for checking ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 15:31, 14 October 2021 (EDT).<br />
::::: Why would anything BE consistent in books from the same publisher? That will be boring... Someone better add notes to both essays explaining the situation. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:33, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bible Stories for Adults ==<br />
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Can you check something in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286887 verified]? Is the story on page 163 called "Bible Stories for Adults No. 46: The Soap Opera" or "Bible Stories for Adults, No. 46: The Soap Opera". It is the only one that does not have that comma and the comma is there in the ebooks (both the US and the UK one). So before I go and split the title, I want to make sure we do not have a missing comma in our DB. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:48, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Annie. You're right: it has the comma in that book. Let me know if you want me to edit the book record and/or the story title record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:57, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I’ll fix it on the title level and leave a note for the PV for the other copy that has the story. Thanks for checking! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:21, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Starry Rift ==<br />
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I added the missing story (page 248-250) to the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47864 The Starry Rift]. Hope you're ok with that. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:20, 28 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch! Apologies for my missing it. Thanks, Willem. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:52, 28 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Hier, l'an 2000 ==<br />
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I found the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263674 this publication], it's from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62219 Wonder Stories, December 1933], there credited to Frank R. Paul. Added credit and notes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:52, 10 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:THANKS! I knew it was Paul, of course, but had no idea how to find the original. Really appreciate you solving this mystery, Willem. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:26, 10 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Cryoburn notes changes ==<br />
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CD-ROM info added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?330962 Cryoburn] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:20, 14 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Mediation by Cadwell Turnbull ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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I discovered that the short story "Mediation" by Cadwell Turnbull, from the "Entanglements..." anthology, was incorrectly named "Meditation" in the ISFDB entry for the story. I confirmed that "Mediation" is the correct title both on the Amazon Kindle preview and the paper copy. Here is the link to the submitted edit.<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5151829<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:37, 16 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:THANKS for catching this! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:42, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Rat-Catcher's Yellows ==<br />
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All previous versions of this story are called "Rat Catcher's Yellows". The one in your book is "Rat-Catcher's Yellows" (note the extra "-"). We date variants as per their first appearance under their own name. So [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2945474 Rat-Catcher's Yellows] remains with a date of "2021-11-16" and gets varianted to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1919657 Rat Catcher's Yellows ] which carries the 2015 date. <br />
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PS: If we had had to merge (if the titles were truly the same), the re-dating would have been an unneeded step - the merge would have taken care of it. Let me know if you have any questions. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:24, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Uh ... this is somewhat embarassing ... but there's no dash in the name in Anders' new collection. I didn't catch that difference in the pre-existing stub. Sorry about the extra work, Annie. I submitted a correction.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:31, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Well, made you check it again - so we are all good :) For next time: Instead of an Edit, submit the merge directly. :) Using Advanced search, look for Titles where the title is "Rat Catcher's Yellows" or title is "Rat-Catcher's Yellows". That would put them in a position to be merged. Then just make sure that the parent is set to empty - and you are all set. I approved the edit and then did the merge. And yes - titles don't merge by magic so once created as separate titles, someone needs to submit a merge somewhere :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:36, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Space Pioneers ==<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47613 The Space Pioneers] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:23, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Robot Rocket ==<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46312 The Robot Rocket] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:40, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Toward(s) the Beloved City ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?58171 This Philip José Farmer story] is in the database as "Toward the Beloved City", but it was also published as "Towards the Beloved City". I'm going to change the title in it's first appearance and in our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6999 Chronicles of a Comer]. According to the PJF international bibliography it was also published as "Towards the Beloved City" in your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53435 Visions of Tomorrow]. Can you check the title there? If so, I can change that one too (it's a two step edit, remove the wrong title and import the right one). Thanks for checking, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 17:25, 1 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Yes, it should be "Towards ..." (with 's'). I've submitted the 2 edits. Thx for catching this! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:34, 1 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for the quick response. Both edits approved. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 17:36, 1 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dangerous Visions and New Worlds ==<br />
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Hi Markwood -<br />
I've been adding the INTERIORART and COVERART records to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?857418 paperback edition] of ''Dangerous Visions and New Worlds''. The addition of the content is complete. I do intend to do another pass identifying which cover for all the uncredited items. Just letting you know in case you want to import them into your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?863618 hardcover edition]. I'll take care of importing them into the ebook. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:47, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:HOLY SHIT, RON! That's an insane, and wonderful, amount of work. HUGE KUDOS, dude. I've imported all your hard work into the hardcover edition. Take off the rest of the day. You've earned it. ;) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:33, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Space Art ==<br />
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Hello, Markwood. If you could, would you add the illustrations in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?271678 this book?] Thank you.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 00:18, 8 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Hi, Rosa. I'll work on this project as time allows, but it's a big request: almost 200 pages with probably > 1 artwork per page. Let me know if you've got any particular priorities for the project. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:27, 8 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::I'm interested in Chesley Bonestell's art, especially "Exploring Copernicus." Thanks!--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:28, 8 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Special Wonder: The Anthony Boucher Memorial Anthology of Fantasy and Science Fiction ==<br />
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On verifying [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31569 this pub] I noticed two things. The "H. B. Fyfe" story on page 209 is credited as by "Horace B. Fyfe" and my copy has a page inserted between page 360 and 361, containing the last page of the Margaret St. Clair story that was "omitted by mistake". The printed story ends with "It was nearly five weeks before he was released.", the insert starts with "He wanted above all things to find Rhysha." Is yours the same, and can I correct the Fyfe story / add the insert to the notes? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:06, 12 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Yes to both. It's "Horace B. Fyfe" in my copy. I didn't notice that when I verified the stub. My copy doesn't have the last page of "Brightness Falls ...". You're lucky it's still in yours. Color me jealous. :) But I've got the complete story in other books, thank goodness. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:42, 12 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks and done. I uploaded and linked a (fuzzy) scan of the insert, and tried to e-mail you a printable version, but I can't mail you through ISFDB. If you want a copy, let me know. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:14, 13 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Appreciate the offer, Willem, but don't need a copy of the insert. That said, THANKS for posting a copy on ISFDB in case someone else needs it. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:49, 21 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Gapping ==<br />
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https://web.archive.org/web/20020703121736/http://www.antipodean-sf.com:80/stories/story7.htm; You PV'd an edition of Memoryville Blues, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436397. The Darren Speegle story seems to be a reprint from 2002 on Antipodean SF; is there any mention of that in your book, and also it's odd because it's the last story in the book and couldn't run more than a couple of pages yet there's nearly 30 pages after it judging by the page count; maybe he greatly expanded it from the original? --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:16, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Hello, "Username" (? :). Thanks for heads-up. I researched and submitted edit to the title record. The Antipodean publication is an early 'flash fiction' vignette of the story, using the same title. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:42, 21 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks; and yes, Username is my username. Eight letters, easy to remember. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:10, 21 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Memory Librarian: And Other Stories of Dirty Computer ==<br />
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Future books are not eligible to be added until they are within 90 days of publication - and with the current state of publication, even that can get tricky sometimes so a closer date is better but it will be approved 90 days before it is due. Based on that I had to reject [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5170874 this one]. Feel free to resubmit (or to ping someone to unreject this one) in a month or so if the expected date is still the same. Thanks for the understanding. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 22 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:OK, no prob. Thanks for info. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:59, 23 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Enchanted: A History of Fantasy Illustration ==<br />
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Hi Markwood<br />
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I've added the Worldcat number to Kowalski's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?789960 Enchanted: A History of Fantasy Illustration]''. I'd also like to add the interior art items. Please let me know if you have any obhections. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:01, 27 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:I appreciate that, Ron. Never a problem with another PV editing a listing I've PV'd. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:19, 27 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Damon Knight's Orbit 15 - Edward Wellen stories ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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James Davis Nicoll has [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25109 reviewed an archive.org scan of this anthology], which he says lacks the 2 Edward Wellen stories in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25109 the pub you verified]. I wouldn't have followed up on this, except for the fact that the recorded page numbers seem a bit unlikely, unless these stories are *very* short indeed. That isn't outside the realms of possibility, looking at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?674481 a translated pub] that has these and 7 other stories apparently all sharing the same page (?!?).<br />
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I did have a quick look at archive.org, and those Wellen stories aren't mentioned on the scanned contents page. (I haven't "borrowed" the book from them to verify beyond the small handful of pages they make available to anyone, as I don't agree with their cavalier approach to book copyright.) Both the pub here and the scan on archive.org are the first edition.<br />
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I did notice in the edit history there's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?609689 an edit that only references these 2 stories], but that seems to be making a slight tweak to existing data, so I don't think it's relevant.<br />
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Any chance you or the other PV can double-check your copies? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 11:21, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yeah, I understand why those Wellen stories look improbable. But, yes, they are both on the same page. Here they are, in their entirety: "IF EVE HAD FAILED TO CONCEIVE / . / The End" and "WHY BOOTH DIDN'T KILL LINCOLN / [blank line] / The End". It stretches the definition to call these "stories". Maybe it'd be more appropriate to call them "poems", or maybe "Zen paradoxes"? Beats me ... but Damon Knight chose to include them in his anthology, so we should include them in ISFDB. I can't explain why the archive.org scan omitted page 41 ... unless maybe the harried scanning nerd said "WTF" and blew it off. :) Let me know if you'd like any edits to the pub record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:02, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks - I see someone else has responded to him on Twitter with [https://twitter.com/KitCase3/status/1475869230390259716 a photo of the offending page]. I'll edit the pub note to state that those stories aren't listed on the contents page, and link to that photo for anyone still curious. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 14:04, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:57, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Old Die Rich and Other Science Fiction Stories ==<br />
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Added note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44832 The Old Die Rich and Other Science Fiction Stories].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:27, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:32, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Partners in Wonder ==<br />
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Added a note on the publication date to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25649 Partners in Wonder][[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:07, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Remote Control ==<br />
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Added Canadian price, the source for the exact publishing date and a note for the Jacket designer and the Editor in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?812724 our verified]. Let me know if you have any issues with either. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:01, 14 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Prentice Hall Anthology of Science Fiction and Fantasy ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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I picked up a copy of this anthology, and I have some questions and probable edits. I posted that complete discussion over at MLB's User Talk Page, see http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MLB#Prentice_Hall_Anthology_of_Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy_-_Questions_and_possible_edits<br />
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As far as I can tell, the ISFDB TOC is identical for both versions, with probably the same issues.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 00:33, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Galapagos==<br />
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I am PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?706513 Galapagos] and will correct "... has been previously printed by The Franklin Library" to "... has been privately printed by The Franklin Library" [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 12:01, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Will also add the cover art credit from the rear dustjacket flap. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 12:06, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:19, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Bangs & Whimpers ==<br />
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Added a note to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279807 Bangs & Whimpers].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:51, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== HTML in titles ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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We do not support HTML inside of the title of any stories, interior art and so on. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Title the Fonts] section for details. So "The Leibnitz Mountains seen during an eclipse of the Sun by the Earth, from The Conquest of Space" needs to remain naked, it cannot be <nowiki>The Leibnitz Mountains seen during an eclipse of the Sun by the Earth, from <i>The Conquest of Space</i></nowiki>. I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2966821 here] and will fix it in a few more titles you added. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:18, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:OK, thanks. Good to know. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:17, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: All fixed. And signing above because I apparently forgot to. Sorry :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:18, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Lafferty in "The New Mind" ==<br />
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Can you check your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14778 The New Mind] for me? According to my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51284 Through Elegant Eyes] the four Lafferty stories were under the collective title "Four Sides of Infinity". I would like to add that to the notes, and correct the 2nd paperback printing. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:54, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:You are correct. I submitted an edit to the pub notes. Thanks for catching this omission. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:48, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! Approved and copied to the other editions. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:12, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Burning Brightly anthology - contents and questions ==<br />
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Hi, you have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?877062 the hc of this] PVed. I've just added the contents for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?894737 the ebook], based on the Amazon preview and the details on the NewCon Press site, but there are a few niggles that maybe you can help with?<br />
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* There's no contents page (in the preview at least) and the order the stories are listed on the copyright page doesn't match the order listed on [http://www.newconpress.co.uk/info/book.asp?id=192 the NewCon site] - can you confirm the latter is correct?<br />
* The copyright page has an incorrect spelling of "Iain R. MacLeod", but his name is spelled correctly as "Ian" on the cover - do you know what appears on the actual story itself?<br />
* The Juliet E. McKenna story is listed as "Through the Veil" on the NewCon site and the copyright page, but [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/novacon SFE] says the chapbook was titled "Trace Elements", and on [https://www.julietemckenna.com/?page_id=19 the author's site], the chapbook is listed as "Through the Veil'''s'''/Trace Elements". I'll do some more digging around to see if that was 2 separate stories in one chapbook, or one story with 2 different titles, but if you can shed any light, that'd be much appreciated.<br />
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Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 18:03, 16 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for reminding me I'd not yet imported contents. Just now submitted that edit, and will add page numbers once imported. All contents match the ebook listing, including mis-spelled "Iain R. MacLeod" (and I'll add pub note about that. His name is spelled correctly on book jacket and story title page.) No "Trace Elements" on Contents page or story title page. Always appreciate reminders & fixes like these! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:13, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Cheers. Adding these contents has been on my to-do list since I submitted the bog standard paperback edition last year, and I didn't have anything better to do on Saturday, although it turned out to be more of a hassle than I was expecting. (Most of the NovaCon booklets from the past 10 years aren't in the database, so it's a case of getting one item off my to-do list, but adding another 10 or so...)<br />
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:: My understanding is that the title/author name on the story takes precedence over any sources, so if that does have "Ian" correctly spelled, then the "Iain" version is superfluous to requirements (although it probably needs a note somewhere). I'll fix that once you've got the page numbers in the hc. Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 17:18, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks - I've updated the page numbers/ordering for the ebook to match, and also changed the author name back to "Ian R. MacLeod". Still yet to start on all the missing NovaCon booklets though :-( [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 11:54, 23 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:44, 23 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== New Eves - A question about the "Winter's King" version ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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I see that you are the primary verifier for "New Eves: Science Fiction About the Extraordinary Women of Today and Tomorrow" (Forrest J. Ackerman, Janrae Frank, Jean Marie Stine, Longmeadow Press, 1994) (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192633).<br />
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I have recently discovered that Ursula K. Le Guin had two different versions of her story "Winter's King". The original appeared in Orbit 5 in 1969; she put out a revised version in 1975 in "The Wind's Twelve Quarters". As has been pointed out by Rich Horton (https://www.blackgate.com/2022/01/16/winters-king-by-ursula-k-le-guin/), the 1976 version is different especially in the pronouns used for the King, and in some other related issues as well.<br />
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Rich suspected that all subsequent versions published were the 1975 version. I have confirmed this for several published versions, such as "The Arbor House Treasury of Modern Science Fiction" and also in "Hainish Novels & Stories, Volume 1".<br />
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I was not able to find a copy of "New Eves....". Assuming that you still have it, I would really appreciate it if you could check the version of "Winter's King". This might be obvious in the copyright although not necessarily and it should be obvious in the text.<br />
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The 1975 version, which appears to be Le Guin's preferred version, referrs to the King as "her" and "she", not as "he" in the 1969 verion. In the 1975 version, the 2nd paragraph contains the text "...but when this picture was taken the young king had her back against a wall. She was filthy, she was trembling, and her face was blank and mad". In the original 1969 version, it is "he" and "his" throughout.<br />
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I would appreciate knowing which version is in "New Eves".<br />
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Thanks your help, and let me know if you have any question.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 18:30, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, Dave. I have submitted edits for 'The Wind's Twelve Quarters' and 'New Eves' to address. You are correct that she modified the pronouns for 'Twelve Quarters', and that the revised version is published in 'New Eves'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:37, 8 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for the update and for taking care of that. After I see your updates, I'll check and see if I need to update any other records to cover this issue that I have been able to verify which version is in use..[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 23:53, 8 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of Pirx the Pilot ==<br />
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Hello. I got myself a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34347 this]. There is a note that says "First Edition". My coppy has the same letter line "B C D E" but there is no "First Edition" wording anywhere on the copyright page. Also my copy is priced at $8.95. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:49, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry, but that's GREAT NEWS: means mine is a 1st printing, not a 2nd as I'd assumed. I'll correct my PV'd listing. Hope you can post your copy so we've got it documented. THANKS! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:31, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
::I did think that with a letter line beginning with B it couldn't be a first printing/edition. My copy has the same dustwrapper artwork so I cloned the record and retained the already associated cover art. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?901227 here] for my copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:16, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Ride: The Best Short Fiction of John Kessel ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5331319 this submission]: Another editor also submitted this. It is now in the database {{P|901127|here}}. As such, I had to reject yours as a duplicate. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:46, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:okey dokey. thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:31, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Adventures in Tomorrow + Jack of Eagles==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1660; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229505; Pub. series (Corwin) added. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:35, 7 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== R. A. Lafferty's From the Thunder Colt's Mouth ==<br />
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Hi, I've added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68121 this title] - which appears in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18137 an anthology you PVed] - based on [https://www.facebook.com/groups/eastoflaughter/posts/5147522055300789/ a FB discussion] that says it later appeared (in modified form) as part of the novel [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17001 Argo]. The latter doesn't have any PVs, so it seems unlikely that we can verify that claim, although 2 different people in that FB discussion corroborated the info, so it seems likely to be the case. Let me know if you have any objections to my edit. Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 12:34, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:No prob, of course. Hope someone can verify some day. Thanks for notice. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:59, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Final Dream ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39763; OL ID, OL cover and fixed title (&-and). --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:06, 11 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Isaac Asimov's Near Futures and Far ==<br />
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● I recently added the artist cover credit for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267884 Isaac Asimov's Near Futures and Far]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:47, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I was comparing the English and the French edition of this title and noticed that according to [https://www.worldcat.org/title/stories/oclc/823751196 OCLC/WOrldcat] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33340 this book] is part of the 'Soviet Literature for Young People' series (just as the French edition is part of 'Littérature soviétique pour la jeunesse'). BTW: G. Petrov also did the cover art.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 14:51, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks, Dirk. I submitted a new pub note to reference the series. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:19, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Science-Fiction Subtreasury ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46572; 1 of the many editors who worked on the Bantam PB reprint wrote a note about copyright page saying this HC was published in September, so I've added that month to your PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:14, 12 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:THANKS! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:19, 12 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Evolution of Science Fiction ==<br />
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Hi Markwood<br />
I added the catalog number from Reginald3 to your verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12709 Evolution of Science Fiction]''. Reginald gives the author as "Theodore Engel" and I've also added a note as to the discrepancy. I'm curious however as to why Reginald has a different credit, especially since it appears to be correct in Reginald1. The description is "[New York: Hugo Gernsback?, 1952?], 12 p., paper, nonf." which seems to be the same book. Is there anything in the physical book that mentions Engel? No hurry on answering, I'm just trying to satisfy my curiosity. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:27, 18 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks, Ron, for this note. I just submitted edit to add Theodore Engel as co-author of the pamphlet, with pub note about his role. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:06, 19 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov SF Anthology ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18600; I replaced unstable Amazon image with OL image, which also shows the spine. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:08, 21 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Baseball 3000 ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3630; I replaced cover with FantLab's and added OL ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:04, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== "Even Greater Mistakes", by Charlie Jane Anders ==<br />
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I added the primary artist for the cover based on the credit given on the back DJ flap. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:41, 1 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== R-A-M ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27228; I changed publisher to Hayden Book Company, as it appears on title page, and did the same for the other Hayden book on ISFDB, The Adventure Companion, which also has that publisher on title page, so both books will now be under the same publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:10, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:OK. Thanks for heads-up. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:43, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Who Goes There? ==<br />
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Added a note and external ID to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54584 Who Goes There?].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:03, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Poe Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?788691; Copy uploaded to Archive a few days ago, https://archive.org/details/poestalesofmyste0000poee_l4p2, which seems to be a later printing than your PV judging by the letters on the copyright page, in case you're interested in adding it; also, I think LCCN that are in a book but not on LOC website are only supposed to be in notes, not ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:30, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Robot Artists & Black Swans Introduction ==<br />
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In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?820881 Robot Artists & Black Swans] I changed the second introduction "Storia, Futurita, Fantasia, Scienze, Torino by Bruno Argento" by Neal Stephenson to "Storia, Futurita, Fantasia, Scienze, Torino" by Bruno Argento (Bruce Sterling), as the copyright page seen in the Amazon Look Inside confirms--Neal Stephenson's byline for the first intro remaining unchanged. I imported it into your PVed paper edition entry from the corrected ebook entry. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 19:36, 14 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith / The Best of Cordwainer Smith ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185413 The Best of Cordwainer Smith] and will change the page number of the Timeline from [7] to [7]|0.5 so that it displays in the correct order in the Contents. I will also add this note:<br />
<br>In this publication, the two stories "The Crime and the Glory of Commander Suzdal" and "Golden the Ship Was—Oh! Oh! Oh!" are printed in transposed order compared with the early Ballantine pb printings<br />
<br>The Timeline in all these books lists "Suzdal" before "Golden". Both stories take place c13,000 A.D. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 10:56, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Card's Elephants ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?700204; Pending edit by me fixing "other stories" to "Other Stories", noticed the title story isn't in the contents, it's on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?100322, but spelled "Poznan", so the audio book either has the wrong title or it's correct somewhere inside, in case you want to check and import the story, possibly as a variant title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:58, 4 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Submitted edit to add the title story. It's on side 1 with the 'Introduction' essay. Thx for catching the omission. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 16:47, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Black Leopard, Red Wolf ==<br />
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I couple of questions on {{P|698166|Black Leopard, Red Wolf}}:<br />
*The tp edition contains five maps; one for each section but the last. Are those not present in the hc?<br />
*In the tp edition, the Contents is a table of contents. We don't normally index ToC. Is there more to it in the hc?<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:16, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Contents of my PV'd hardcover are identical to listed TP. Submitted edits to delete ToC and add maps. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 13:33, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:43, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spectrum Harcourt Editions ==<br />
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Dude, you PV a bunch of Amis/Conquest Spectrum anthologies, American editions, but you entered the numbers instead of the Roman Numerals, for all volumes after II. Do all your PV have III, IV, and V? Because I changed them using 2 exact copies on Archive.org and 1 year-later reprint of the last volume. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:04, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Hello, "Username". (Catchy handle. Witness protection program? ;) All the US "Spectrum" anthologies use Arabic, not Roman, numerals ... as shown in the cover pictures. If you changed them back to Roman numerals, the records would not accurately reflect the books as published. If you need a 3rd opinion, check with a moderator. Thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:03, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::Username has 8 letters, like Markwood, which used to be the standard length for almost everything online, and it's easy to remember unlike people who enter obscure, complicated passwords and then forget them later when they need them. Also, the title on the title page is how titles are supposed to be entered on ISFDB; volumes 3-5 have numbers on the covers but numerals on their title pages. So if you can check the title pages and let me know; I already know the answer, based on the Archive copies, but mods demand PV corroborate before they'll accept my edits, even though in almost every case like this the PV does just that. I don't know how many other PV you've done, but if any of them also involved numbers/numerals you might want to take a look at those, too, because they'll also need fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Edits submitted. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:43, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Someone uploaded a (coverless) copy of the original Spectrum (Harcourt edition), which you also PV, last month just a week or so after my last entry here, so I've added a link today in a pending edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:27, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick / The Acts of Paul ==<br />
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You have PVd [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588596 Gigantic Worlds] which contains [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2067767 Brief Synopsis for an Alternate World Novel: The Acts of Paul] by PKD. A couple of points: 1) I have a chapbook of this short story which is titled: "Brief Synopsis for Alternate World Novel: The Acts of Paul". There is no "an" before "Alternate". Can you please check whether the title in Gigantic Worlds does contain "an". 2) Do you have a source for the publication year of 1982? From what I can see, it was written in 1982 but first publication is in my 1987 chapbook. If so, the date should be 1987. Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:08, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Sorry, but I sold that book awhile ago. I just now switched my verification to 'transient'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:48, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::OK, thanks for letting me know. In that case I'll assume the title was correctly entered in Gigantic Worlds which means I shall 1) create the chapbook for "Brief Synopsis for Alternate World Novel: The Acts of Paul". 2) Variant the version of the title in Gigantic Worlds to the title in the chapbook. 3) Amend the date of the variant to 2015-09-00 as it needs to be the date of first publication of the variant. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:59, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::THANKS! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:40, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== F&SF 24 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35677; I've already changed the regular title to how it actually appears in the book and added an Archive.org link to your PV, so you'll need to check your copy and change "and" to "&" and add a colon after "fiction" in the title if your copy's the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:57, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Biscuit & Milk ==<br />
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Regarding the note to moderator in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5495019 this submission]: It is not possible to add styling to titles. Adding the styling to the notes as you have done here is the only method. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:07, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Santa Steps Out ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193445; I added the FantLab ID and saw there was interior art which is credited to Alan M. Clark on the copyright page, so I added that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:51, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== F&SF 23, 22==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35676; Shouldn't there be a colon after Fiction in the title, cover art, and introduction? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35675; Also for this one; the PB doesn't have a colon, either, but you didn't PV that. I also added Archive.org link to this edition and added month to regular title and introduction but the essay I didn't because I don't know whether that's a reprint even though it has a 1977 date; you'll know, I'm sure, and can fix it if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:36, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:There's no colon in either anthology's title on their title page, copyright page, half-title page, jacket front, jacket back, or jacket front flap. Let me know if there's a reason to add a colon where none currently exists. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 17:23, 16 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913019 The History of Science Fiction] ==<br />
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Hi! I have found an entry with OCLC (1236259750) that lists an ISBN (9781643379142). Maybe that number is somewhere hiddenly listed within your PVed pub.? Also, I'd like to think it seems somewhat reasonable to list the artist as co-author, with this being a graphic format title. What do you think? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:09, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:Howdy! Yes indeed, thanks to your suggestion I looked further and found it in the barcode on back cover. Submitted edit with that addition. Regarding how to list artists of graphic format publications ... I don't know the ISFDB standard. I've been listing using the 'artist' field, only. Is there an alternate listing protocol for graphic format pubs? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:23, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I'd say it is more often found that both (author & artist) are credited, like in a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?18279 comic entry], but both ways of indexing are to be found in the database. Just looking at this work leads me to think that text & art are inseparable entwined ... Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:41, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spectrum V ==<br />
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I updated the title of {{P|921982|Spectrum V}} from 5 to V based on the pub notes since we enter pub titles per their tittle page. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:20, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spaceman of Bohemia ==<br />
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You might want to check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?603503 Spaceman of Bohemia]. Although the cover design is credited to Allison Warner the artwork itself is credited to Dorling Kindersly.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 19:27, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Good catch. Thanks. Submitted edit to add her. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:33, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Forrest J. Ackerman credits ==<br />
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When you have a moment, could you please check how your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact&TERM_1=Forrest+J.+Ackerman&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Markwood&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication verified Forest J Ackerman] pubs credit Ackerman? The other day a user pointed out that most of Ackerman's books/stories use {{A|Forrest J Ackerman}} as opposed to {{A|Forrest J. Ackerman}}, but only 30-ish of our pubs credit him that way. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:38, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No period after "J" on all title pages. "Gosh Wow" has a period after "J" in the copyright, the rest don't. I'll submit edits for all to remove the period, as shown on the title pages. Whoever caught this ... thanks! It's a good catch. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 18:44, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for checking! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:51, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy, 2012 Edition ==<br />
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I have submitted substantial changes to the publication record of this title. Since you PV'd it, I wanted you to know. You can view the submission here: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5545171 I forgot to mention my reason for altering the page count. The last page, "About the Editor," is numbered in the table of contents. Any concerns, let me know. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 09:59, 17 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Octavia E. Butler / Wild Seed ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?198157 Wild Seed] and will add Pub Series and a Pub Note with source of Month. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:18, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Octavia E. Butler / Parable of the Talents ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25597 Parable of the Talents] and will add a pub note about the different ISBN stated in barcode box. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:13, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Octavia E. Butler / Fledgling ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?72706 Fledgling] and will correct the page count to 317 and add pub notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:15, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Digital Domains ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303312; I fixed title ("and Fantasy" on title page, seen on OL). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Life Beyond Us ==<br />
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While approving your edit adding the contents to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?933143 Life Beyond Us] I noticed quite a few case errors. Please follow our standards for English titles.<br />
The ISFDB case regularization rules are as follows:<br />
<ul><li>the first word is capitalized.<br />
<li>all later words are capitalized except for "a", "an", "and", "at", "by", "for", "from", "in", "of", "on", "or", "the", "to", and "with".<br />
<li>hyphenated words have the first letter after the hyphen capitalized. </ul><br />
Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:57, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robot Artists... ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?820881; Artist is Coulthart, not Coulthard. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:12, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Boucher - "S-F Books - 1960" or "S-F Books: 1960"? ==<br />
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Could you check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34940 The 6th Annual of the Year's Best S-F] to see exactly how Boucher's essay is titled - I suspect it might be "S-F Books: 1960". If it is, and it's ok with you, I'll make the change. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:14, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi, Kev. Good catch! Yes, it's a colon, not a dash. Thanks for making the edit to ISFDB. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:18, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that, and you're welcome. I'll get on it and it will show up in your changed PV alerts. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:42, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Re image links ==<br />
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HI! After you upload the image [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:CTSCRDLXBZ1976.jpg], click on the body of the image which should take you to this[https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/7f/CTSCRDLXBZ1976.jpg]. Use this image link. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:05, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title type for Biographies (The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy 2012) ==<br />
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Hi, you're one of 2 active PV's for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1421198 Rich Horton's 2012 Best SF&F]. I'm 99.9999% certain that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1480310 Biographies] should be an ESSAY rather than SHORTFICTION, but I thought best just to sanity check before changing a pub that others have verified. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:53, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Good catch. Thanks! Fixed. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 13:53, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== A Scanner Darkly graphic novel ==<br />
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A few questions for you.<br />
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You're the PV for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?81676 this trade paperback] (with only Dick as the author), and you have a submission on hold for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5550059 the hardcover] (with both Dick and Linklater as the authors). You have both with the same ISBN. Is this correct? In general, especially from established publishers, the same ISBN isn't used for two different formats (TP and HC). The rules of ISBN usage specifically state that different formats should have different ISBNs. <br />
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Do these contain the full text of the novel, or are they adaptations that use the images in place of some of the descriptive text? If they do not contain the full text of the novel, the graphic novels should not be varianted to the novel. Since the cover of the graphic novel states "Based on the novel by Philip K. Dick", it leads me to believe this is an adaptation, not the full novel.<br />
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Regarding the titles, there's no need to include the disambiguator "(Graphic Novel)" following the title since the original novel and the graphic novel have different authors (the novel is only by Dick, and the graphic novel is by both Dick and Linklater). <br />
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Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:07, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Clock That Went Backward ==<br />
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Concerning 1881 short story "The Clock That Went Backward" by Edward Page Mitchell:<br />
We have ten remaining publications as {{t|93690|The Clock That Went Backwards}} (with final 's'), which has been the parent title until yesterday. Eight are primary verified including five of your verified anthologies. I hope you will check them: BACKWARD or BACKWARDS?<br />
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(The new story title notes are already out of date. I will update probably next fortnight.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:53, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've sold 3 of those 5 anthologies. Of the 2 I can still verify, it's "Backwards" (with an S) in "Time Travellers", and "Backward" (no S) in "Isaac Asimov Presents the Best Science Fiction of the 19th Century". Sorry I couldn't help with the other three. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 15:27, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks. Our ten publications include multiple eds./printings of both those two.<br />
:: Probably we should have a way to revise a Primary verification (no change in its date) from Permanent to Transient, for such as your anthologies sold; and to note that a publication record was primary verified (by unnamed at stated past date), for former participants who prefer to delete their record. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:46, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I'd recommend an enhancement to permit multiple Primary verifiers. As older folk drop out, younger folk take over. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 18:53, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Isaac Asimov Presents [19c SF] ==<br />
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You remain PVerifier of the anthology ''Isaac Asimov Presents'' in its 1st ed., 1981 Beaufort Books P{{p|18600}}. Viewing the 1st UK ed., 1983 Gollancz P{{p|227789}} at Archive.org via Open Library OL21540435M, I see that it contains The Sandman "(translated from the German by J.T. Bealby)". So I have replaced the identified translation, at page 13 in our contents list, for both the 1981 and 1983 eds.<br />
<br>(I haven't yet revised our record of the 1991 edition, nor contacted its PVerifier. --for later.)<br />
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To be continued after a break, hours or overnight. Don't pack up the book. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:33, 12 March 2023 (EDT)</div>
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<div>{{welcome}} --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 15:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Tough Guide to Fantasyland ==<br />
Hello, I have left a reply to your note at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#DAW Tough Guide to Fantasyland]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 15:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Signature ==<br />
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Regarding your question "Do I need a main User page in order for the four tildes to generate a User talk page link?"<br />
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To add a link to your talk page to your <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> signature you edit the Nickname field on '''[[Special:Preferences]]'''. I suspect at present the nickname is set to:<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]<br />
to add a link to the talk page make it<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]<br />
Because this example is on your talk page the example is displaying as "|'''talk'''" rather than as a clickable link. On other pages it will be a link to this page.<br />
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Some users are adding superscripts or parentheses.<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]<sup>[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]</sup></nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]<sup>[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]</sup><br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Pwendt|talk]])</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Pwendt|talk]])<br />
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If you don't want a red link then just link to the talk page:<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User talk:Pwendt|]]</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User talk:Pwendt|Pwendt]]<br />
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Changes to the nickname won't fix pages that you had signed earlier using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 19:36, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Done using 'Pwendt|talk'. This is one test. [[User:Pwendt|&#91;&#91;User:Pwendt&#124;&#93;&#93;&#124;&#91;&#91;User talk:Pwendt&#124;talk&#93;&#93;]] 23:29, 9 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks. Following exchange with Mhhutchins at the Help Desk, done with the same nickname and "Raw signatures (without automatic link)". This is a another test. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 10 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::As this test show, the "talk" doesn't link when it's posted on the page to which it is linked. Took me a second to realize that! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:04, 10 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Author data ==<br />
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I accepted your submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?176002 this author]'s data, but had to make a few corrections. The Legal Name field should be entered in the format: Lastname, Firstname Middlename. Also I changed the Wikipedia link from the German version to the English version. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:14, 13 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. I see that another reviewer quietly rearranged a First Middle Last yesterday. <br />
: I missed your note then, probably because I supposed that my "new messages" notice at the database referred to your preceding note. Now I will learn whether a reply to the *latest* message alone will turn off that notice. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:58, 17 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: Yes, it does turn off the notice.<br />
:: P.S. Just now I submitted a change for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1455224 that author's book], the correct publ date for book 3 in a series we don't have. Not finding "Add New Series" in the left margin and finding I am too tired to look further now, so i am warned "Unknown Series". Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:04, 18 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Don't be afraid of the "unknown series" warning. It just means we don't have it in the database, or it could be in a different name. The slightest variation will generate the warning, which allows you the opportunity to search the db or to submit when you're certain that the series name you've provided is correct. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:58, 18 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::: Thanks --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:32, 24 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Since you're making an effort to add the Wikipedia link to these author's data summary, you could simultaneously update the birthdate and birth place data as well. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:04, 26 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::OK, I'll use "My Recent Edits" to revisit those people at Wikipedia-EN. <br />
::::::Do I add "language: English" by default because English is my language setting?<br />
::::::I noticed one evident duplicate and didn't quickly find how to merge people, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?77305 author 77305] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?170359 author 170359]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:54, 26 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Demigod Files'' ==<br />
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Instead of updating the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?534240 publication record] for the first edition, changing it to a third printing, you should have cloned the record and creating a new record based on your copy. I've created another record for the first printing. Now you'll need to change the publication date to "0000" (displayed as "unknown") if the third printing date isn't stated and update the Note saying the data is from Amazon. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. Just now I submitted a next stage with this Note to Moderator:<br />
: Augmentation in progress, primary transient verification to follow.<br />
: This contents listing omits 5 "interviews" with campers that span p64-76; a puzzle, etc, and answers that span p134-142. None worth the length of their titles but is there an alternative? The text of the first story does run p5-29 as the submitted contents listing now roughly implies but the other two stories run p33-63 and p85-133 which is not roughly implied here.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:57, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: And Antonio Caparo, The Demigod Files (character illustrations) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1933227 ISFDB Title Record # 1933227] --a title that I composed as the 8-page insert is not mentioned in the book table of contents-- update with this Note to Moderator<br />
:: The illustrations featured in this copy are 8 of the 26 now displayed by Disney at the bottom of its Percy Jackson and the Olympians series page [http://readriordan.com/series/percy-jackson-and-the-olympians/]. As these may be the most important 8 among those 26 characters, I suppose that all copies of the book contain the same selection. I don't know whether this Disney page is one that should be linked in the public note; I guess not because I suppose the crucial content is not stable.<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:21, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::You should probably add the information that you provided in the Note to Moderator field to the Note field. As I've said before, the Note to Moderator field disappears, and should only be ''about the submission'' and not about the publication. It is used to aid the moderator in their decision to accept the submission. Also, you don't have to duplicate the Note to Moderator when responding to a message here on your talk page. It's unnecessarily redundant (which I suppose is unnecessarily redundant itself! :)<br />
:::You have the option to link to pertinent websites in a special field of a title record, which you can do for the character illustrations if you wish. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:49, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Done: submitted extensions to the Publication notes from material in the Moderator notes quoted here. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:21, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Foundling'' ==<br />
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Submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547462 this record] was accepted, but I made the following changes:<br />
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* Disambiguated the titles of works which have generic titles<br />
* Changed the title of the map to the ISFDB standard<br />
* Changed the credit of the pronunciation guide from "unknown" to "uncredited". The former should be used only if the editor/publisher of the work acknowledges that the author of the work isn't known.<br />
* Fixed the Note field to add bullet points to every note (the last one was entered after the bulleted points.) <br />
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Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:09, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Can you advise me what is to be done when a generic title needs to be reused --further disambiguated again. Or not. If "About the Author" in a book of another title is identical, do we use a single title? and if so fashioned how? If another map of Prydain is not listed in the contents, provided with a heading, or internally titled, what to call it? Reuse "Prydain" (map) with a different date? What if one of those titles if available and with what priority? <br />
: For example, the map of Prydain (c) 1964 Evaline Ness, in the same style but different in content, which illustrates ''The Book of Three'' *is* internally titled "The Land of Prydain", internally meaning part of the artist's design. And for example, I know by examination that Henry Holt reused "About the Author" in multiple Prydain titles and editions, if not other Lloyd Alexander books too.<br />
: Perhaps there is an obvious place for me to read the instructions or the discussion concerning these issues. (I expect to return to Prydain rather fully only in December.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:28, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Any generic titles, like "Introduction", "Preface", "Afterword", "About the Author", etc. must be parenthetically disambiguated with the title of the publication in which they are contained. If the exact same work appears in other publications, then the records will have to be merged, if they have the same author credit and title, or varianted if they do not. Variants are based on a change in author credit, or a change in title, but not a change in text. <br />
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::Maps can be titled based on a caption, or a title within the map itself. If they are not titled, they should be given the title of the work they illustrate, just like all records typed as INTERIORART. They are given the title "Title of Work (map)" to distinguish them from other illustrations that may be contained in the same publication. If they appear in other publications, one title should be determined by a consensus of the primary editors, and the records can be merged, otherwise each will retain their title and then varianted to the record of its first publication. If there are specific cases for which you have questions, you can post it on the [[ISFDB:Help desk]]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:52, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: Thanks.<br />
::: By the way, reading [[Help:Screen:NewPub#General contents]] i see that I entered correct page numbers for The Foundling (which I primary verified) only by accident, because the table of contents gives the numbers of pages where contents begin rather than the numbers of chapter title pages. <br />
::: Almost certainly I followed a table of contents that does give page numbers of standalone chapter title pages when I entered The Demigod Files [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?534240]. The last sentence of my careful notes makes this clear, "Text of the first story does span p. 5-29 as this listing roughly implies ..." (listing gives page 3). No disaster. Instructions show that a verifier must also complete the Contents list, whose irritatingly trivial items I passed over (same Note).<br />
::: Thank you for your time and good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::I would suggest in the future that you never use a publication's contents page to enter titles into an ISFDB publication record. It may take a while longer to go through each page of a book or magazine, but it makes for a more accurate record of the publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Throne of Fire'' ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to add a new record of this title. It appears to be identical to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346772 this record]. Is there a reason for not updating the existing record instead of creating a new one? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:12, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Hi, Mhh ;-)<br />
: Only that this copy specifies first printing with no date other than 2011 copyrights while the existing record specifies May 2011 without printing number. I know that s/he/we/they editors would not have the printing number in Amazon data but I (mis?)understood that to be the point of your note above that I should (and you did put into effect) cloned rather revision of the first edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547336 ISFDB Publication Record # 547336].<br />
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::That's because the publication you were working with was clearly indicated as a third printing. We have to assume that records from secondary sources (like Amazon) give the publication date of the first printing. That's why you should not have overwritten that record. Once you did that I had no choice but to clone the original to create a record for the first printing which would have disappeared because of your submission changing it to a third printing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:35, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I see now that Kirkus did cover The Throne of Fire with a contemporary review and provide Publ date 2011-05-03 that matches both month and day of our "Data from Amazon and Worldcat as of 2012-08-31." in the record we have. Kirkus Reviews ''The Throne of Fire'' [https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/rick-riordan/throne-fire]. This is relevant broadly (had I looked for it yesterday, say) but from you I infer that it is not crucial. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: I can't say I never thought of doing such a thing, just overlooked. For The Serpent's Shadow last week I replaced citation of Amazon with "Kirkusreviews.com gives publ. date 2012-05-01 from contemporary review (-06-01 in print) as archived."<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:59, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Publication dates are provided by the publisher to both the retailer (Amazon) and the reviewer (Kirkus). So you can cite any reliable secondary source for data that isn't present in the publication itself. I don't know of any publisher who actually states the ''day of publication'' in the books themselves. Amazon provides the exact date for 99% of all books published since their inception in the mid-90s, and that date can be used in ISFDB records, ''as long as you cite the secondary source for data that's not present in the actual publication.'' [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:31, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'm still holding your submission. If you believe your copy is the same one represented by the current record, regardless of the publication date given in the record, please cancel it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:05, 19 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::: I am traveling with occasional short stints online, only a moment now. Do you mean cancel this and augment the other record with the new data? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:54, 19 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Title reference content record ==<br />
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When creating a publication record, don't add a content record for the title itself, but only for other contents. The system does that automatically. So when you add a NOVEL-typed record, a title reference record is created for the NOVEL. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?548363 this publication record] and you'll see that there are now two content records for the novel. Let me know when you've read this so that I can remove one of them from the record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:02, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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You made the same mistake with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?548364 this record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:03, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: I see, that is because I am not adding a title, which is already in the system (and linked to a series in this case, "Mary Poppins in the Park • [Mary Poppins • 4]"). Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:57, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: If you use the "Add publication to this title" function, as you did in both of these cases, you shouldn't add a content title for the title to which you're adding a publication. (Hope that makes sense.) In the future, when you're creating a new publication record, regardless of the type of publication or the function you use to create it, do not create a content title for the work itself. I'll clean up the record and remove (and delete) the duplicate titles. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:19, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: It makes sense. The matter now is to recall the point when looking at an empty contents list. Thanks for your help. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:36, 25 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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I have provided a partial answer at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#A Wizard of Earthsea]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 22:54, 27 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Mary Poppins in the Park'' ==<br />
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I've accepted your submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?83118 this record], but not before cloning it to create another record for what is presumably the first printing. If in the future you see that the publication is not a first printing, either stated or inferred from a number line, you should clone the existing record since it usually represents the first printing unless stated. I also zeroed the date field to show that the publication date of this second printing is not known. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:45, 8 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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About the page count field, adding brackets around a number indicates that there is a range of unnumbered pages on which significant content appears. So they should never be placed around roman numbers, since that indicates that the pages are roman numbered. What were your intentions in this case? And what appears on the "+[1]" page? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:48, 8 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Page "+[1]" --or 283, immed. following 282 where the novel ends with "Chelsea, London, etc" in nonfiction voice-- is about the author, untitled and uncredited, in the publisher's voice. Now after rereading instruction on what to leave out --viz. [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Contents included with exceptions]] (sec 2.3 bullet 2)-- that it qualifies as "otherwise insignificant". Rereading the same Help, sec 1.5 "Pages", it follows that 282 rather than "282+[1]" is correct.<br />
: None of the 20 pages preceding page 1 carries a roman numeral number. The map, pp [iv-v] in my notation, begins on the second sheet of ordinary stock, verso and ends on the third sheet, recto. The primary purpose of roman numerals in the update as submitted is to locate the map on the 4th/5th of 20 pages that precede page 1. I think also that I was pleased to count them, find 20; count the pages beyond page 282, find 2; and calculate 304 pages as stated by Amazon, presumably from the publisher's count of 152 sheets ordinary stock.<br />
: On page xvii in my notation there is an untitled note from the writer PLT explaining that Mary Poppins 4 is unlike books 1-3. It isn't a novel in some senses the first three are novels (chronological sequence of episodes, albeit loose; MP arrives in the first one, MP leaves in the last one; etc). I don't plan to suggest that it be recatalogued as COLLECTION, because i suppose it is so commonly considered a novel that it would merely be confusing to say otherwise. But I thought it note somewhere. Possibly I introduced roman numerals because I had in mind citing this later as page xvii of xx.<br />
: [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages]] (sec 1.5 sub-bullet 3) together with sec 2.6.2 "Page" imply that "[20]+282" is the correct format or syntax if it will be done, with "[4]" and "[17]" page references for the map and the author's note if they are entered as Contents. <br />
: I will now submit an update that covers incorporates all this as I understand it ... done. Feel free to reject or hold with comment here. I expect to be here for only several more minutes but again in 12 to 20 hours.<br />
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:;Author's Note, ''Mary Poppins in the Park'' <!-- note to self for now<br />
transcribe or describe this somewhere, maybe Wikipedia <br />
Have we no wiki pages for titles? Only for series and publications it appears to me now, visiting title Mary Poppins in the Park and its parent series and child publ. <br />
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:''Identical in the 1952 American edition and in this 1997/2006? edition/printing.''<br />
:"The adventures in this book should be understood to have happened during any of the three visits of Mary Poppins to the Banks family [books 1 to 3]. This is a word of warning to anybody who may be expecting they are in for a fourth visit. She cannot forever arrive and depart. And, apart from that, it should be remembered that three is a lucky number.<br />
:"Those who already know Mary Poppins will also be familiar with many of other characters who appear here. And those who don't--if they want to know them more intimately--can find them in the earlier volumes. // P. L. T.<br />
:--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:24, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach ==<br />
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I have replied to your message at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 07:17, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I added another reply to [[User talk:Marc Kupper#Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 08:21, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Author's Note (Mary Poppins Opens the Door)" ==<br />
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I changed the date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1942007 this record] from 1943 to 1944. We use the date a work is first published, not when it was written. It's highly probable that this appeared in the first publication of the novel. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:29, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I also found the date when [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1941942 this essay] was first published. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:48, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. In fact I thought to enter the original paper as a New Essay, based on data in the omnibus pp 1022-24, but I didn't see how to add new essay *and* it occurred to me that, if unpublished, it should not be in the database at all. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:40, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, it was published...but in a nongenre publication. That's why I recorded it in the Note field and changed the date of the record to the date of its first publication. We wouldn't use the date on which the paper was presented, since that doesn't represent an actual publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:30, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== 2nd printing of ''The Black Cauldron'' ==<br />
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When you cloned the record for the first printing to create [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551383 this record] for the second printing, you kept the original publication date. I have changed it to "0000". Be careful when cloning that you carefully examine the data in each field that is being retained. I personally do not use the "Clone This Pub" function if the publication isn't a container-typed record, i.e. a COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, or OMNIBUS. I use the "Add Publication to This Title" function for NOVEL-typed records. This avoids the strong possibility of copying the wrong data to a new publication record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:21, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Creating Bibliography and Biography wiki pages ==<br />
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When creating [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:Margot_Zemach this page], you removed the template which links it back to the author's summary page in the database. There's a warning at the time of creation that tells editors to not remove the header which looks like this:<br />
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Once you've acknowledged reading this message, I will restore the template so that the page is linked. Keep this in mind in the future when creating any bibliography or biography pages on wiki. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Yes I have read this and I have read the deletion log notice at [[Bio:Margot Zemach]] --which turned from blue to red as I was writing you about that very point. Blue preview, red save! --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:43, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I've restored the link by adding the template <nowiki>{{AuthorHeader}}</nowiki> to the top of the page. If you come across any other Bibliographic comments wiki page without a link back to the database, simply add that template in an edit to the page. By the same principle, you can add <nowiki><br />
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== ''The Wolves of Willoughby Chase'' ==<br />
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I'm not sure if there should be two separate records for the interior art in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?552854 this publication]. From your notes it appears that the two artists are the same. Also, there's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50348 another record] for what is almost the same edition. The only difference is the price, and being from a secondary source, it's suspect. 01:21, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]]<br />
: The cover designs do not match (re Amazon we have discussed that some online sources mix-and-match cover images and editions/printings; I know that is true of WorldCat also). The cover design of my book matches the 3rd and 5th images in our [ [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/titlecovers.cgi?13699 current display of all covers], rather than the 2nd image or the 8th 13th and 15th images, all from the same cover art by Edward Gorey. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:11, 25 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I've pointed out earlier that the cover images attached to unverified records should not be the basis for creating separate records, especially if that's the only difference. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:24, 26 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it best to enter interiorart data based on what is explicit in the book. With time for some exploration now, I find confirmation at CopyrightEncyclopedia.com, a source new to me. [http://www.copyrightencyclopedia.com/the-wolves-of-willoughby-chase-by-joan-aiken-illustrated-by/ "''The Wolves'' ... by Pat Marriott, pseud. of Patricia Eleanor Howard"]. To me it seems clear that both names should be in the database with this note and I will submit the pseudonym--legalname relation now, no action on the two interiorart records. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:11, 25 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Now i submitted only Howard as legal name of Marriott. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:23, 25 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::But according to your record the book explicitly credits Pat Marriott on the title page as the illustrator. We don't use copyright data to determine credit unless there is no other credit in the publication. If all the illustrations are by the same person, there's no reason to create a separate content record for another name credited on the copyright page. If you've determined that her legal name was "Patricia Eleanor Howard", and unless there is not a record which explicitly credits Howard, then we don't need to create a pseudonym and variant. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:24, 26 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: I was able to ascertain the identity of Patricia Eleanor Howard and Pat Marriott --that is, to find the one source CopyrightEncyclopedia.com linked above-- only later and upon some investigation. I think you suggest, or urge, that Patricia Eleanor Howard appear in the Legal Name and Note fields of the database only; not Alternative Names until if/when we have some genre publication published under that name. So the INTERIORART title that I created should be deleted rather than "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work", which would make [P.E.H.] one of Pat Marriott Alternate Names. [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, the publication record should only contain a single content record for the work as it is credited in the publication. Any variants are created for titles but that should be no concern when you're working from a publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Supposing one INTERIORART content for this book (perhaps to be used eventually for all U.S. eds and some later U.K. eds illustrated by Marriott), I think it should carry the later date 1963. That is, maintain at least two Wolves of Willoughby Chase interiorart titles for Marriott rather than one (merge all) the 1962 date of the first ed. I say this by analogy to the expansion of a SHORTFICTION or fix-up of a COLLECTION (or a collection of SHORTFICTION never published as a COLLECTION) as a NOVEL. Do you agree? [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::It should carry the date of the publication unless it can be determined that the work appears in an earlier publication. Even if we have yet to create a record for the publication, you can change the date of any later reprints of the same work. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Somewhere, presumably under Help:, there is stricture concerning the merger of interiorart records for a single fiction title, to proceed iirc only if the full set of illustrations is used in both editions. I don't find it easily now and may recall incorrectly. [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::My opinion: This is basically a '''fiction''' database (the "F" in ISFDB), and any effort to record individual works of art is beyond the purposes of this database. If we know an artist illustrated a novel, and that a later printing of that novel contain illustrations from the same artist, it's not incumbent upon the editor to confirm that all of the illustrations are identical before merging the title records which represent '''the illustrating of the novel'''. Requiring that an ISFDB editor make such positive identification of each interior art record would be impossible. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: I wait for reply before any editing of ''The Wolves'' records. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hello, in the note field, you should use the HTML syntax (with tags) instead of the wiki one (with brackets). If not, it will lead to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?552975 such display]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:49, 26 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Notifying primary verifiers of changes to PV records ==<br />
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It is ISFDB policy to first discuss most changes to primary verified records with the verifying editors before making those changes. If you're adding notes to the record, you can usually do the notification simultaneously with the submission. Most editors have a notification preference at the top of their talk pages. I had to reject the submission to add contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11134 this PV record] for that reason. (Also, because the title and author of one of the content records was reversed, e.g. an essay titled "Bill Fawcett" authored by "Introduction...".) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:33, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I just noticed that had discussed it with the editor. (It was from about a week ago and I missed it.) I will try to reconstruct the changes to the notes, and enter the contents (correctly credited and titled). Again, sorry. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:36, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I see you made a subsequent submission to make the corrections. Rejecting the first submission before making a second submission to correct it would have been better, especially if I had accepted the submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:39, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Yearling ed. of ''Peter Graves'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?554604 this publication]: the format of the catalog number as it appears on the spine, "440-6889-075", is an early method some publishers used for paperbacks. The first three digits are the SBN-assigned publisher number which later became part of the ISBN. The second set of numbers is the publisher's catalog number. And the last set of numbers is the price designation. The catalog number, in this case "6889", would usually appear on the front cover as well. If there is no other number on the book, you can enter this number into the ISBN/Catalog # field of the ISFDB record, preceded by the "#" symbol. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:43, 6 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: (as I said) Back cover "010-014" may be catalog number but ...<br />
: Probably that means recommended ages 10 to 14. I'll get back to it but not today. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover: The Sea of Monsters ==<br />
:::: ''export notes to self [mistakenly posted here last hour 18:36, from both top and bottom of this section to [[User talk:Pwendt#Rick Riordan]] --Pwendt 19:38''<br />
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Hello, I've rejected your submission to change the date to 2014 for a 2006 publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1130253 here]. Can you be more precise regarding what you're intending to achieve? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 19:16, 9 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: My Recent Edits shows that you accepted at 14:14:41 so I surmise that you returned to undo that by hand (and database 14:14:41 is wiki 19:41, or one or the other displays the hour as relatively). Now I see too that the same change of date was accepted 2015-12-17 22:47:28 along with the prose Note (mine).<br />
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: I was trying correctly to date the cover art by John Rocco whose image we link there, per explanation in the Note. Of course, it was not used on the cover of the listed 2006 publication, which was perhaps the first edition of the novel --not verified, so correction of the cover image is for its someday primary verifier to correct, right?<br />
: What happens if the cover record is unlinked from the only publication that currently links it?<br />
: FYI the displayed cover is used in the 2014 boxed set where we display an image of the box with three books inside it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?445539 Publ 445539].<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:02, 9 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::As I understand what you wrote, the cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82094 for this publication] is not the correct one (it's a later -2014- cover art). If you're sure of this and depending on the data you have, don't hesitate to (either) 1) change the cover of the 2006 publication by uploading the correct one (use the "Upload new cover scan" and enter the URL), 2) link the 2006 publication to another correct amazon cover (just change the URL), 3) completely remove the cover record (via "Remove Titles From This Pub") leaving the 2006 publication as a coverless record (which is perfectly authorized as it's not PVed). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 09:11, 10 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: As an aside, I wonder whether moderators (not I) are able to check whether the field Image URL has been revised since a publication record was primary verified? (I know that the manual urges editors to be cautious about revising primary verified records, and to give notice at the user pages of the primary verifiers before/when they submit such revisions, and that some moderators check for such notices before they approve such submissions.) <br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::When the amazon (or ISFDB) URL is changed, the submission passes in the moderator's queue and is approved (we saw both the old and new images) so there's a limited check (personally, I tend to trust what's submitted and don't always check the covers' precise dates). The only case when there's no check is when a new image is uploaded via the "upload cover scan" which is a non-moderator-approved process. But, as we're limited in disk space, the moderators "hunt" for images with multiple versions, allowing for some degree of control. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:21, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: ''export notes to self [mistakenly posted here last hour 18:36, from both top and bottom of this section to [[User talk:Pwendt#Rick Riordan]]'' --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:38, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Harcourt Young Classics ed. of ''Mary Poppins'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?555136 this record]: I changed the publication date from "1934" to "0000" (displayed as "unknown"). Nothing in your notes indicate this printing was published in 1934, and with an ISBN, it's impossible. Also, can you confirm how the publisher is stated on the title page? Harcourt Young Classics appears to be an imprint of Harcourt. According to the Amazon "Look Inside", the publisher is "Harcourt, Inc." which we enter as simply "Harcourt". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:45, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Title page displays "Harcourt, Inc."; copyright page gives street address including "Harcourt, Inc."<br />
: I presume that all of Harcourt Young Classics, Odyssey Classics, HMH Children's Books, HMH Books for Young Readers --from this book and other recent eds of Mary Poppins here and at Amazon-- are imprints of Harcourt or prev. Harcourt & World, Harcourt Brace, HBJ; subseq. Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, etc. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:56, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::It is ISFDB standard (whether its documented or not) to use the title page publisher credit when possible. So the record should be changed to give "Harcourt" as the publisher. Imprints are entered if they are present on the title page. For example, all current books from William Morrow have the title page credit "William Morrow" (over) "An imprint of HarperCollinsPublishers" which we enter as "William Morrow / HarperCollins". If a publisher becomes an imprint (like William Morrow), we can easily track the publisher history by separating the books as published. If a book is reprinted under a subsequent incarnation of a publisher, then the ISFDB record must give the publisher as credited in the printing of the book which it records, whether it is Harcourt & World, Harcourt Brace, HBJ, etc. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Do you refer to your aspiration to get away from entering imprints in the Publisher field, as we routinely do? (Skim 'Ha' or 'Ho' in the publisher directory.) Or growing consensus? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:56, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::The publisher field is the only place we have to record imprints. If by "you" you're referring to the collective editors, I can't say. I, personally, have no aspirations to change the current way imprints are entered. There may have been some talk in the past to create a separate field but there's been no discussion about it lately. You can raise the subject on the Community Portal page to see if there's a chance of a change in the foreseeable future. If we do create a separate field for the imprint, then it should be easy to do system-generated edits to the records without manually editing thousands of records...but only if the editors who created and/or updated them have used the current method of separating imprint from publisher in the publisher field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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If I understand you correctly "Harcourt Young Classics" in the publisher field only as "Harcourt Young Classics / Harcourt". (The former now appears in the publisher directory(*) and the latter does not. I looked this up before submitting Harcourt Young Classics as the publisher.<br />
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On the general point, I meant in other words whether this is a plan to curate the publisher directory, presumably to eliminate entries such as "Dell Yearling" (imprint) and "Dell Yearling Newbery" (imprint and publication series) in favor of entries that identify the publisher properly -- with a slash followed by Doubleday, Dell or Bantam, Doubleday, Dell or whatever. (At the moment there is no slash entry in the directory alphabetized with "Dell Yearling".)<br />
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For publishers --that is, valid Publisher field entries-- familiar to me from the publisher directory, more often the "Publisher" column of the tables that ISFDB displays in Title records for named contents, often general knowledge or the front cover (as "A Dell Yearling Book" across the top) i usually enter that. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:47, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:The publisher directory isn't curated. It's generated by the system and includes every unique publisher in the database. If I incorrectly entered the publisher as "Del Ray", it would create a new listing under that name. There are probably thousands of records in the database which should be cleaned up to present a clearer record of how the publisher is stated. Unfortunately, there's not that many editors here who can make the time and effort to undertake such a gargantuan task. That's why we at least try to get the primary verified records to match the stated publisher, and because publisher credits vary from spine to front/back cover, title page, and copyright page, we ask that editors use the credit from the title page, as 99% of all books give the publisher there. As for records sourced from secondary sources, when I stumble upon them, I usually try to change them to the publisher as given in the OCLC record. The librarians who edit that database are asked to use the title page publisher credit, so at least we have their data to fall back on. Using the front cover credit is usually not a good idea, because too often it's a publication series and not the imprint or publisher. BTW, there is only one record now in the database for "Harper Young Classics" (the one you entered), because the only other record which had that credit was a non-verified record, and checking on OCLC, I determined it should have been entered as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?53112 Odyssey / Harcourt Young Classic / Harcourt]. So I corrected it. That leaves yours. And as I suggested above, you should use the title page credit of "Harcourt". If your copy has any indication anywhere else of the imprint of "Odyssey / Harcourt Young Classic" you can add that to the publisher field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:44, 13 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== LCCN and title or publication-specific data ==<br />
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The Library of Congress Control Number should be provided (and linked if possible) in the Note field of the publication record to which the number has been assigned. It should not be entered into the Note field of the title record, since titles are frequently republished with a different LCCN. A good rule of thumb about which data to note in which record (the title or the publication): if it applies to a specific publication, it should go in the publication record; if it applies to '''the work''' and not a specific publication, it should be noted in the title record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Harcourt, Brace & Company ==<br />
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In the 1950s, the publisher was known as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?41100 Harcourt, Brace & Company]. In the 1960s, after it merged with World Publishing, it became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1909 Harcourt, Brace & World]. In the 1970s through 1993, it added the chairman's name and became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?267 Harcourt Brace Jovanovich]. Then it was purchased by another corporation and became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?263 Harcourt Brace]. In 2007, it was purchased by Houghton Mifflin with the new company named [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28152 Houghton Mifflin Harcourt]. I've updated or reverted those Edgar Eager records which don't reflect this chronology. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:51, 16 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Three days ago there was greater variation in database use of "Harcourt, Brace and Company" and "Harcourt Brace". Did you revise other records to fit the ideal timeline? Did you overlook the one verified by Nihonjoe {{p|518183}}?<br />
: Given a policy, or consensus, to use in the database a particular name version for a particular book-issuing entity during a particular timespan, there remains a danger in such rationalizing policy. It depends on validity of the Year field as a book-issuing date --that is, a publication date in the sense of database "publication" records, a printing date. (The Year field isn't isn't rich enough to do what we should aspire to do re information about timing.)<br />
: I agree concerning "Harcourt, Brace" in regard to the Tales of Magic that LC and ISFDB merely use different canonical names with and without "and Company"; no doubt there are other cases where they differ about "& Company", "and Co.", and so on. Regarding "Harcourt, Brace & World", it's much more likely that different uses of the year fields are the crux of the matter. LC Catalog uses two year fields mainly, perhaps others in freeform notes. "Harcourt, Brace & World" with a year prior to 1961 is evidence that the year is a copyright date or edition date rather than a printing date. Same as ISBN with the same year would be. If we take the year for granted as a printing date and standardize the publisher (value of Publisher field) on that basis, such evidence is lost.<br />
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: What is your interpretation of the one 1998 and one 1999 publications by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?231 "Harcourt"] and the two 2000 publications by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?263 "Harcourt Brace"]? Those records are internally anachronistic --the 1998 and 2000 on basis of year alone; the 1999 because it is 1999-01[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?231+1999] where 1999-12 would be plausible. (Part of half of the answer is that the 1998 and 1999 are "date unknown" printings, probably 2000 or later if no catalog errors otherwise.)<br />
: (I'll get back to the Magic series.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:32, 19 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mary Poppins and the House Next Door ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89072 this record] which you converted from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK: one thing to keep in mind when doing such conversions: If you change the NOVEL title reference record during the pub record edit to SHORTFICTION, you have to add a new title reference record for the CHAPBOOK. It can be done in the Contents section of the entry form during the same submission. Otherwise the book's title won't appear on the author's summary page. (The story title will.) I'll add the title record for you. Also, I doubt that the book isn't paginated, even if the OCLC's page count number is bracketed. That could also mean that there were 96 pages but the last page wasn't numbered. That happens a lot in books. We'll leave it as is until another secondary source either confirms or denies the page count. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:40, 25 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: The US edition is paginated. I thought that I would convert NOVEL to CHAPBOOK following the manual [[Help:How to convert a novel to a chapbook#Converting a NOVEL publication to a CHAPBOOK]] where instructions begin with conversion of a publication record, so I started there with first edition --EditPub, not AddPub for copy in hand-- and resorted to online catalogue data for more info. I planned to continue with one instruction or another after seeing the result of EditPub. Unfortunately [a] the instructions are not scrutable (bullet point 3: "If the novel has only one publication on record, this can be done from the same Publication Editor dialog where the other changes are made"; not sure whether I did that back at point 1, hoped to see by viewing the relevant records after approval); [b] this was several hours ago at local public library, so AddPub US ed. must await another visit. <br />
: I wonder whether you converted one of the two illustration prize-winning picture books from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK yesterday, T{{t|170637}} and T{{t|1766654}}. I believe I saw one picture book as NOVEL yesterday, one reason I visited conversion instructions today, ''probably'' one of these two. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
: oops, fix links to Title records "T" and append five words --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Reviewing the three records and the manual, the latter [[Help:How to convert a novel to a chapbook#Converting a NOVEL publication to a CHAPBOOK]] remains inscrutable to me. How does one add a Title record? to a Publication record? Perhaps the second bullet point should be deleted and the third rewritten. ... --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::As I said in my original post, go to the contents section (marked "Regular Titles") and click the "Add Title" link. A set of fields will open. Leave the page number and date fields blank, enter the title, change the type to CHAPBOOK, and enter the author. I'll read the instructions and see if it needs clarification. Some of these help pages were written before the software about CHAPBOOK was fully developed, and may need to be updated. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Is there a simple change to be entered manually after which a script will complete the conversion per [[Bibliographic Projects in Progress]]? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::I know nothing about that. It seems to be far out-of-date. I'm thinking that project was all about manual conversion with the hope that it could later be accomplished with a script. I don't believe that ever happened. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mary Poppins omnibus ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557135 this record], but it would have been better to clone the other record of this title. Now you'll have to import the contents, and then merge the duplicate interior art record. Keep that in mind when adding records typed as COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, CHAPBOOK, and OMNIBUS. Saves both of us when you use the clone function. (I don't advise doing it for NOVEL records.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:16, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Same situation with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557137 this record]. You'll have to import the SHORTFICTION title record, and then merge the INTERIORART record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:18, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Both done. With more data, eg the obvious cover artist confirmed by images on bookseller pages.<br />
: Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:03, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Instead of importing the contents as I suggested, you created new title records. Those will now have to be merged with the existing ones. (Go to Travers summary page and you'll see the duplicate titles.) Ask if you need help on merging title records. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:10, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Ah, you mean Import Content. I overlooked the Export, Import, and Remove screens/tools. <br />
::: I am familiar with merger of Title records that do show up as duplicates for some author. Last month I cut the number of Mary Shepard Mary Poppins INTERIORART titles from 25 to 10. Now I know how other editors created all of those as we are back to 25 again. <br />
::: ... Import done, for import of novels INTERIORART to omnibus (2). I'll get back to the rest later. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:39, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: FYI: You can also import individual titles (instead of all titles within another pub). If you have many though it can be tedious to find all the title record numbers and paste a long list into the tiny form box accepting such. It is painful but it avoids having to merge titles later. This is one area where methinks there is room for code improvement (one should be able to select one or more pubs to import from and just check which titles from such one wishes to import). I am not sure if there is an existing feature request (FR) for such yet or not. [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] 04:19, 28 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Editing a publication record before a previous submission has been moderated ==<br />
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If you make a submission to edit a publication record, you should wait until it has been moderated before making another submission editing the same record. Quite often this can cause a conflict which will negate the edits of the first submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:39, 27 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== <nowiki><br>• </nowiki> ==<br />
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The use of <nowiki><br>• </nowiki> is not a standard method of separating notes in an ISFDB record's Note field. (Although you will find that one particular editor insists on using it, even though it's been brought to his attention.) If you want to bullet each note, please use HTML as explained [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_HTML_in_Note_Fields here]. If that's too complicated, just use the keyboard return to create a new line for each note (they won't be bulleted). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:22, 28 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dell and Yearling ==<br />
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When it was founded, Yearling was a YA imprint of Dell paperbacks. Publications from that period are entered into the database as "Dell Yearling". Later (I don't know exactly when, but it could be researched), Yearling was removed from the Dell paperback division of Random House and became a separate imprint. The title pages then gave the publisher as "A Yearling Book". Those publications are entered into the database as "Yearling". If you find books which give the publisher as Dell, then enter them as "Dell Yearling". If Dell isn't mentioned, enter them only as "Yearling". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:43, 3 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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As of 2016-04-06 the earliest database Year for publisher "Yearling" is 1984.<br />
Indeed we have the following (Dell) Yearling publisher names, with yearspans (beside "date unknown"): Yearling 1984-pres [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?183]<br />
Yearling (UK) 1990-94 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?43577], <br />
Yearling / Yearling Newbery 1996 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?41025], <br />
Yearling Newbery [undated 35th printing of April 1990 Dell] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?10251], <br />
Dell Yearling 1968-2007 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?183]<br />
Dell Yearling Newbery 1996-99 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?379].<br />
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Anomalies from about 3 February in my primary verifications, perhaps to revisit<br />
:1. ''Mary Poppins'', 1991 tp edition, all four novels T{{t|181986}} T{{t|181997}} (both as Yearling) T{{t|29571}} T{{t|181995}} (both as Dell Yearling)<br />
: All four first printing publication records give my Note: <br />
:: (quote) copyright page "Published by Dell Publishing a division of Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing Group, Inc."; Yearling and Dell are two registered trademarks<br />
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:2. ''The Wolves of Willoughby Chase'' T{{t|13699}}, 1987 and perhaps other editions or dated printings (may be a single edition released 1968) [book 2 pv another edition; book 3 not verified]<br />
: (in progress) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:28, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Reliable secondary sources ==<br />
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When creating records from secondary sources, it's important to find the most reliable ones available. In the case of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558116 this record], I would have first looked at [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/12635490 OCLC]. Abebooks data is not very reliable since it's from someone who wants to sell you something, and info from auction sites can disappear overnight without warning. I personally consider OCLC to be the most dependable of all secondary source on the internet for English language publications. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:50, 3 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558117 this record], you could have gotten the page count from the [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/64447512 OCLC record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:53, 3 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: The LC Catalog is a source of extraordinary quality. WorldCat is not, and it's a shame that ISFDB relies on it so heavily.<br />
: Meanwhile the ABEbooks page that I mentioned, as it does provide a cover image, is far more likely to provide an image of the correct book than is worldcat.org. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 04:26, 6 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::No one is saying that the Library of Congress data is unreliable. Nothing I said even implied that. They never entered the discussion, and are not sourced in your record at all. I'm saying Abebooks is unreliable. Why knock WorldCat when in this case it was the most reliable source at hand? Please only use Abebooks as a last resort. And you should never use auction sites as a source. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:18, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Magic Finger'' ==<br />
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There are several problems with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558748 this record], the major one being that it doesn't contain a SHORTFICTION content. Now you'll have to import it. (You also could have cloned another edition which would automatically import the content, like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262017 this one].)<br />
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Another thing: synopses shouldn't be given in a publication note field. That is title specific data, not publication specific.<br />
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Also, you didn't use the correct format for entering the OCLC record number (omitting the colon.) There's also a leading space in the target name that should be removed. You also linked to the browser address and not the Permalink.<br />
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And you used Abebooks.com to source the date, and non-data about the possible format. This is probably the last place to source data. They're trying to sell books, and probably not worrying about recording accurate data for bibliographers.<br />
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Also, based on the OCLC record showing the book to be 20 cm., the pub format/binding is "tp". (All Puffin books from this period were softcover.)<br />
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Please make the corrections when you have time. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:15, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Done. Vaguely I recall that the manual somewhere includes generalizations about page size and binding format. Now I append "20cm (implies tp format)" to citations of OCLC records that support tp format by this inference. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::That's only true for softcover publications, something that OCLC rarely notes. You need a another secondary source to confirm the binding. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:57, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: If "(All Puffin books from this period were softcover.)" it will be useful to note that period at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?179 Publisher: Puffin]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Anyone looking at Puffin's books from the early 70s will see that they're all paperback. It would take further research to determine when they started publishing hardcovers. If that could be confirmed, then a definitive statement could be made. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:57, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to OCLC ==<br />
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Please use the standard format "OCLC: 123456". Also, click on the Permalink for the URL, provided in the upper right corner of the OCLC record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''El Dedo Magico'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71313 This record] had the English language titles. I will remove them and add Spanish language titles, and then variant them to the original titles. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I believe that is a mistake at least for the illustrations. Some time ago I fixed ''Mary Poppins wraca'' P{{p|547654}} to credit the original English-language illustration by Mary Shepard --despite the fact that in that work ''Mary Poppins Comes Back'' many of the illustrations have captions, commonly quotations of description or dialogue from the novel, presumably translated into Polish in their use as captions as well as in the novel.<br />
: See [[User talk:JudgeDeadd#Mary Poppins illustrations]]. As I recall, there were Shepard illustrations of two other Mary Poppins titles in Polish translation, and Barnes illustrations of all seven Narnia novels in Polish translation, all entered as English-language illustrations of the Polish editions of those works. All entered by the same user, as I understood the record; thus I conformed our treatment of ''Mary Poppins wraca'' illustrations to the other 9? books.<br />
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I also removed the price in US dollars which was there before you edited the record. An obvious error. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:34, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Per the linked WorldCat record, the publisher is based in Madrid, so the US dollar price is probably a mistake. Not an obvious error, as many Spanish-language editions are priced in US dollars. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:19, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Here is our record P{{p|547918}} for Polish-language omnibus edition of Narnia 1-3 as verified (and presumably entered) by [[User:JudgeDeadd]], who does not say whether it includes English or Polish captions or none. <br />
:: (By the way I doubt the COVERART credit to Maria Izryk for "original work (presumably by Maria Irzyk), although clearly traced from Baynes's covers for the 1959 edition of ''The Lion...'' and the 1962 edition of ''Prince Caspian''). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Even though art doesn't have a "language", and even if the exact same illustration is used in different translations of the work, each work of art should be titled for the work they illustrate. Any interior art records which don't match the titles of the work they illustrate should be corrected when found. (They must have sneaked through, undetected by the moderator.) This would mean the content record would have to be removed from the publication record, and a new content would have to be created. Then, the translated title record should be varianted to the original title record. See how I varianted the <small>[Pat Marriott --Pwendt]</small> interior art record for ''El Dedo Magico''. Thanks. <br />
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:::: OK. I credited also 1995 Spanish-language Tony Ross INTERIORART for El Dedo Magico, now submitted as variant of his 1989 illustrations T{{t|925716}}. <br />
:::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:31, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Viking ed. of ''The Magic Finger'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558764 this record]: I added the colon after "LCCN", and removed the HTML line breaks. Several years ago they were necessary, and you'll find thousands of records still have them. After a software change a few years ago, they are no longer necessary; a simple keyboard return will display a new line. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:25, 12 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I did the same thing as above for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558765 this record], and corrected the OCLC link to the Permalink. Please get into a habit of using the Permalink instead of the URL in your browser's address window. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:27, 12 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Price field ==<br />
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When entering a price in US dollars, be sure to add the cents. I changed the price of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558870 this publication] from "$2" to "$2.00". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:06, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''My Father's Dragon'' ==<br />
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What is your source for the interior art credit for the 1948 Random House edition? I particularly wonder why the illustrations are differently credited from the story, if they're by the same person. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:21, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Again, you didn't enter the price field correctly in the submission I'm holding for this edition. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:22, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Further research has shown that the books were illustrated by Ruth Chrisman Gannett, her stepmother. So a pseudonym and variant should not be created. I'll accept the submission and correct the price field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:24, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I understand now what the note meant. You were referring to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?178751 this artist], not the author of the story. I'll make the pseudonym/variant. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:27, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes, Ruth Adelaide Chrisman later Gannett seems to have illustrated mainly as Ruth Gannett --eg, ''Tortilla Flat'' by John Steinbeck ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortilla_Flat at Wikipedia])-- but also seems to be Ruth Chrisman Gannett as of first collaboration with her step-daughter, per the [http://www.gutenberg.org/files/30017/30017-h/30017-h.htm Project Gutenberg HTML edition/release of the first edition] and i doubt that many others of her (mainly earlier) works belong in this database.<br />
: I did not link the Project Gutenberg, nor add its cover image [http://www.gutenberg.org/files/30017/30017-h/images/cover.jpg] of course, because I don't recall seeing other examples of that here and I don't know that ISFDB makes use of the Gutenberg release (lead sentence of HTML ed.: "This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no cost and with almost no restrictions whatsoever." ) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:51, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Click on the image link gave here and you can see why we need permission to deep link to images hosted by other servers. You can link the book's title record to the Project Gutenberg page, entering its URL in the title's webpage field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:03, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Three Tales...'' ==<br />
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I changed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558879 this publication] from OMNIBUS to COLLECTION, since it doesn't include a previously published NOVEL, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, NONFICTION, etc. A publication of SHORTFICTION-typed works is considered a COLLECTION.<br />
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I also went ahead and imported the contents, and disambiguated the generically titled author's note. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:25, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Does a collection of a works in a shortfiction series not carry numerals as "C/1-3"? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:32, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::No. The software only displays the story length field when the record is typed as OMNIBUS. That's because it's uncommon for collections to contain only series of short fiction works. Also, most short fiction in a series isn't numbered. You can post a message on the Community Portal for a feature request for cases like this publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:41, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Illustrator for ''Wonders, Inc'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?213429 this publication]: Both of your sources give the artist name as "John Larrecq". Note the way each source provides the stated credit, and not the canonical credit. You shouldn't use the related names field of the LCCN record, or the author field of the OCLC record. OCLC gives the stated credit in the responsibility field. I've corrected it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:45, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I also changed it from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK with a SHORTFICTION content record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:48, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: (edit conflict) Thanks.<br />
: How frequently is there a "Responsibility" field at WorldCat, where there are some John M. L. records like [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/429560318 OCLC 429560318]. <br />
: He is John M. Larrecq canonically at LCCN (and others [https://viaf.org/viaf/65249917]) but I don't know that other works (incl several picture books from Parnassus Press) will ever be in the database (chiefly stories about anthropomorphic animals, i scanned this hour). So I have simply linked LCCN John M. Larrecq for now.<br />
: I merely stumbled upon him in course of correcting one Publisher:Parnasus => Parnassus Press; the former should now drop out of the Publisher directory. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:03, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I have no way of knowing exactly how frequently there's a responsibility field in an OCLC record. I can only estimate that 95% or more of the records created in the past 50 years do have it. That field wasn't always part of the database, and records from the early decades of the 20th century probably didn't have them. Some have been updated from primary data. Others may not. As for whether Larrecq's canonical name includes the middle initial, we can't establish that at the ISFDB until there's a publication which actually credits it that way. OCLC quite frequently gives the middle initial or full names in the author field of their records to distinguish similarly named authors. That's why the author field of OCLC records shouldn't be the only source used to record author credit in ISFDB records. Looking at [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/906040559 this record] for example, it appears that Larrecq did not use the middle initial in his published works. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:14, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: On the other hand [https://lccn.loc.gov/66009502] but as I said above, I don't know that other works by Larrecq belong in the database. [[Author:John Larrecq]].<br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:41, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::So I repeat, we won't be able to determine the canonical name until or if there are other works by him in the database. We would still have to follow the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition Rules of Acquisition] in determining that. <br />
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::::I think I may have misled you a bit about the term "canonical" when I was referring to the way LoC and WorldCat assign authorship. Their purpose is to distinguish human beings, not to distinguish publication credits, which is the goal of the ISFDB when we use the term. So I'm unsure whether the use of "canonical" in the bibliographic wiki page could confuse some users, especially those who know the ISFDB's use of "canonical". Also, if you look at some of the OCLC records for those showing "John M. Larrecg" as the author, you'll see that many of them credit "John Larrecq" as the responsible party. And that's what's important as far as the ISFDB is concerned. So perhaps the bibliographic notes need to be clarified about the name. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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P.S. I don't know how to convert NOVEL to CHAPBOOK/SHORTFICTION deftly. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:41, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:It's in the help documentation, but it's getting late. I'll try to remember tomorrow to give you a step-by-step guide to conversion. (In this case, conversion wouldn't have been necessary if the publication had been entered correctly from the start. Knowing a book has only 39 pages is a rather unmistakable clue that the book isn't a novel.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to primary verified records ==<br />
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I accepted the submission changing the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254379 this record] before realizing it was primary verified. It is imperative that you '''first''' discuss such changes with the PV editor before making a submission which changes any field other than the Note field. <br />
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Another concern: you changed the publication date to "1975-02-00" when your note said it was published on "1975-02-18". Why not go all the way? If the publication doesn't have a publication date stated in the book itself, an editor can use a reliable secondary source for that date. So you leave a note on the talk page of the PV editor: "Is there a day of publication stated in this publication? If not, I've found a reliable source, [Kirkus Reviews, Amazon, publisher's website, etc.], that gives the publication date as [fill in the blank]." Allow the PV editor to make the decision about changing the record. If there is a stated publication date, such as "First Edition: February 1975", then the PV editor should give "1975-02" in the publication date field, but note the exact date as given by the reliable secondary source. If there is no stated publication date in the book, then the PV editor has the option to use the reliable secondary source to give the exact day of publication in the record's date field. But this should be done by the PV editor, unless they have a notification preference at the top of their talk page saying "Anyone can edit my verified records." or something similar. If the PV editor is inactive, there should be a notice at the top of their talk page that directs any questions to the Moderator Noticeboard. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:55, 18 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: I summarized for the verifier at [[User talk:Don Erikson#Z for Zachariah]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:26, 18 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258217 this case], it's OK to give the full date of publication in the date field, because the record has yet to be primary verified. I'd also question your statement that all data is confirmed by the LCCN record, which doesn't give the publication date you've added to the record. That statement would have to be tweaked. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:33, 18 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Hitty, Her First Hundred Years'' ==<br />
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I could find nothing showing that this is a work of speculative fiction. If the doll is simply the narrator, and with no interaction with the real world, as most reviews I've read of it seem to indicate, then it can't be considered fantasy. Or am I misinterpreting the synopses that I've found on the Internet? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:49, 21 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2956209]<br />
: Yes, but i'll begin by reading further myself, not today. I know only the first four pages, up to the line I quoted --just before local public library closure this afternoon-- and the Google Books ed. breaks after page 4. Wikipedia says "magical ash-wood" but that isn't in the opening text, only reference to the traditional powers of ash.<br />
: I think you mean interaction with the world beyond that of quill pen on paper and turning the pages. I had wondered just what I would say beyond "Borderline spec-fic" if I did say that in synopsis as some others do. <br />
: How long is matter "held" in queue? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:52, 22 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::As long as necessary to resolve the issue. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:08, 22 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Have you been able to determine this work's eligibility? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 08:07, 4 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I can describe the wooden doll's actions: [a] take up quill pen to begin memoirs; use up paper (by implication use pen, ink, blotting paper); [b] raise and lower both legs together when left under a pew in church, "Clump! clump! clump!"; [c] work up and out of a crow's nest and get both legs over the edge, then to be knocked out by the baby birds. She does not communicate with the crows, wild monkeys, pet cobra, pet cat --nor with modern dolls if i recall correctly. The simplicity of her construction is clear; her inability to bend except at the one hip and one shoulder joint is recurrently crucial to the plot. That she can handle a pen or "work her way" without benefit of other joints is not explained.<br />
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So it is spec-fic strictly but I can't say whether it is clearly eligible nor whether it should be in the database. I have not read any discussions of scope. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:06, 4 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:It wouldn't be spec-fic unless she actually interacts with or becomes an active participant in the story she's telling. There are many stories told from the point of view of animals or inanimate objects, with the sole purpose of being a silent observer. Unless the story itself or the actions being narrated has fantastic elements (without regard to how the story is being told), I personally don't believe it would qualify as eligible. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Definitions Here] are the definitions, the rules of acquisition, and the scope of the ISFDB. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Unless you have some definitive evidence that the work qualifies under the rules of acquisition, I will have to reject the submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:29, 15 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Substantially I can only repeat myself. ''Hitty'' is spec-fic strictly, for the wooden doll interacts with her environment as I described above [a][b][c]. --beyond thinking and four of five human senses, all but taste.<br />
::: For what it's worth, I consider that a flaw in the work. It doesn't add anything to the story, in my opinion, to make the doll more than the externally passive observer you say is common. In the same way, I consider it a flaw that ''Alice'' is not spec-fic, strictly, because the brief final chapter portrays Wonderland as a dreamland only. It doesn't add anything to the story, in my opinion, to undercut the fantasy.<br />
::: You moderators need to make judgments about scope at the borders. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:56, 17 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Day the World Ended'' ==<br />
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Please specify the source of the month of publication in the Note field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399313 this record]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 05:37, 23 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Done a couple hours ago along, with AddPub three other 1930 dollar novels from Doubleday Doran. See also and better, [[User talk:Mhhutchins#Doubleday]], numbered point 2 <u>dollar novels</u>. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:11, 25 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Book of Trolls'' ==<br />
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What is your source for editing the author credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?475528 this record]? Both LCCN and OCLC give the current author credit. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:20, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: That's right. As stated in the Note to Moderator: "undo [my own] today's introduction of variant name in preparation for global change to Edgar Parin d'Aulaire --now in database for the one work only" with more detail<br />
: The Author name cannot be corrected because 'Edgar Parin d'Aulaire' is already in the database here. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:34, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll accept it now that you've explained the note, but the correction could have been done with one submission since all of the titles appear in the same publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:41, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: But I didn't know several hours ago, when I added all the other data for both the man [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2959820] and the Publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2959783], that I should have submitted a global personal name change first, before the correct name appeared in the database.<br />
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::: 1. You say "all of the titles appear in the same publication" which suggests that such a change could have been effected at once for all records of this work (CHAPBOOK, SHORTFICTION, INTERIORART, COVERART titles), if a global change in the personal name were not desired. How is that?<br />
::: 2. Probably this work was first published as ''D'Aulaire's Trolls''? (altho Uniform title is Trolls, which may indicate earlier issue in some European language). Anyway, let's consider the first US edition, [https://lccn.loc.gov/76158897 LCCN 76-158897], OCLC [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/86079902 86079902] and [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/410432 410432]. What would be the best way to get all of the CHAPBOOK, SHORTFICTION, INTERIORART, COVERART titles into the database as ''D'Aulaire's Trolls''? --where is best to start? --and finally must all be entered anew and then all four ''D'Aulaire's Book of Trolls'' titles separately be made variants? <br />
::: Good night, now overdue for me :-( [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:18, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::1. As I said, your "Note to Moderator" wasn't clear enough that I understand what your intentions were about changing the author credit of a publication which didn't match those given in the noted sources. Once you made that intention clear, I accepted the submission. At this point, whether the changes could have been made in one submission is moot. As it was, you could have changed the author credit of the publication, the shortfiction content, cover art, and interior art, in a single submission. Changing the chapbook credit would have taken a second submission. (You saw that it was "yellowed-out" which means you can't edit it during a publication record edit.) In either case, it took two submissions to make the corrections.<br />
::::2. Add publication records based on the title and credit given in your reliable sources without any concern for how it is titled and credited now. Once the records are in the database, we can determine a) the canonical title, and b) the canonical author credit. Variants and/or pseudonyms will be determined then. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:36, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Children of Lir'' ==<br />
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I changed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?560803 this record] from a NOVEL to a CHAPBOOK with a SHORTFICTION content, since it appears to be less-than-novel length. If you've determined that it is more than 40,000 words, let me know and I'll reverse the change. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: No, this is fine. Thanks. I am reading this one and I will assess as novelette or whatever length. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:09, 29 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: A novella, ~20,000 words. And so entered. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:49, 1 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== pb or tp ==<br />
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Re the update you made to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303688 this record]: Where did the "5.1 inches" come from? The UK doesn't use inches. According to [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/782024148 OCLC], the book is 20 cm. which makes it a trade paperback. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:56, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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OK. I see you got that dimension from Amazon.com (not Amazon.co.uk, which was your stated source). The width is 5.1 inches, the depth is 0.3 inches, and the height is 7.8 inches, making it clearly a trade paperback. I'll correct the record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:01, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Making a pseudonym / creating a variant ==<br />
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Re {{A|Katie May}}: When you make an author into a pseudonym, you must follow-through by varianting each of the titles credited to that author into variants of titles credited to the canonical author. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Before you do that, what is your source that Katie May is the same person as {{A|Katie May Green}}? (This should have been asked before the moderator accepted the submission creating the pseudonym.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:18, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Probably the moderator read the Notes that I submitted at the same times [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971249 14:12] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971277 14:31] (approval times, i suppose).<br />
: I entered the titles as chapbooks where the first eds., British, had been entered as novels. Then observed to the moderator [[User talk:Rtrace#Magic Ballerina chapbooks]] that I think I must fix the CHAPBOOK issue before returning to the variant issue.<br />
: During the last hour alone moderators Rtrace, Hauck, and Mhhutchins have approved in succession and all may be inscrutable to anyone.<br />
: I suppose you converted multiple publications of the one title (#2 the Magic Spell) but not the other (#1 the Magic Ballet Shoes) --or that multiple moderators responded differently-- because my experience was different for the two titles. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:36, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Perhaps you've misread my post or have confused it with another post. I was talking about the variant/pseudonym situation, not the conversion situation. These are entirely separate matters. Please re-read my post and respond. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:08, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Please read the linked material. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:12, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'll ask the same question again: "What is your source that Katie May is the same person as Katie May Green?" That isn't answered in the post on Ron's page. If you have a confirmed source that they are the same person, you should have made the variants immediately upon making that determination. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:19, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I presumed that you would be able to read the two Notes that I cited, which the approving moderator [[User:Hauck]] probably read at the time, 2016-03-06 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971249 14:12] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971277 14:31] per the log "My Recent Edits".<br />
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For now I have unlinked May and May Green in the database, but see the wiki [[Author:Katie May Green]]; cf [[Author:Katie May]]. Perhaps there can be a software solution for generating numerous variant titles. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:07, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm flummoxed. Now that you've confirmed (based on the wiki page you created) that they're the same person, why do you want to remove the pseudonym relationship that you'd previously established? <br />
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:And there is a software solution for generating variant titles. Unfortunately, a human has to initiate it manually, then the software takes over. We don't want software that will automatically create variants because sometimes pseudonyms are shared by different authors, e.g. {{A|Daisy Meadows}}. <br />
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:I'm going to reject your submission to remove the pseudonym and then create variants for the "Katie May" titles. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:16, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Converting NOVEL to CHAPBOOK ==<br />
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When changing the type in the metadata section from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK, you should add a CHAPBOOK content record at the same time, saving an additional submission, and avoiding a publication record which doesn't have a title reference link. For example, check out [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?468166 this record] which no longer links to its title record...or any title for that matter. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:24, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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For future reference, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_convert_a_novel_to_a_chapbook#Converting_a_NOVEL_publication_to_a_CHAPBOOK here] are the instructions to convert a NOVEL to a CHAPBOOK. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:26, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought that I would Import the one CHAPBOOK title record into successive publications of that title, rather than create a new CHAPBOOK title record for every publication.<br />
: Perhaps Rtrace (signs Ron) has experienced what he considers too many editors who don't bother to merge near-replicate titles? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:44, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Importing the CHAPBOOK record works if you're a moderator and can do your own approvals. When a non-moderator submits and has to wait, it leaves publication records without title references, and increases the chances that the conversion may not be completed. (Sometimes life interferes during the wait.) As suggested in the help page I linked here, you should change the type and add a CHAPBOOK content record in the same submission. You don't save submissions by importing the CHAPBOOK record. In fact, that increases the number of submissions required to get a publication record completely converted. It only takes a single submission to merge the duplicate CHAPBOOK records, and not doing so isn't as fatal as a publication record without a title reference record. So please follow the instructions provided. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Thanks. I left a note for Stonecreek (one approving moderator, whom I referred to Rtrace yesterday).<br />
::: Sorry about the prev and next sections. I am out of time now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:26, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Those records that don't have a title reference are still waiting to be repaired. This proves my point that a CHAPBOOK content record should be added during the same submission that changes the publication type. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:11, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Done some. (generally without adding the original illustrations at the same time)<br />
::::: Do you find such anomalies automatically and currently? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:15, 9 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::No. It's not automatic. There is also a nightly clean-up report which finds publications with this error. Then a moderator has to fix it manually. BTW, I'm not sure how it happened, but now [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?468166 this] has '''two''' title references. I let you see it before I repair it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:39, 9 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I see how it happened. You made two successive submissions that added a CHAPBOOK content title, and the same moderator accepted both submissions without question. Even moderators are human. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:42, 9 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: I submitted one Remove Title.<br />
::::::: I found that lot in reference to my Recent Edits log from a couple days ago, evidently too hastily, as that log includes replications of course. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:00, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Submission to remove accepted. I went ahead and merged the two duplicate CHAPBOOK titles created by the duplicate submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:50, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] Do you plan on converting the other Magic Ballerina publications to CHAPBOOKs? If not, I'll try to find time to do it. (I actually hate wasting so much of my limited time on this juvenalia.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:53, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I plan to convert only one more -- #4, for which Amazon shows a back cover and thereby identifies cover artist Katie May. On my amateur view, this suggests all six in the first lot, at least, were illustrated cover and interior by the same person, but I don't plan to do more than say so in a series note.<br />
: If my local public library owned even one of them, I would augment that record greatly and verify it. But no, and I will not recommend the purchase of one. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:28, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: This one [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0007286171 at Amazon].<br />
:: By the way, from a sample of one I judge that they are novelettes at ~125 words per unillustrated page, probably about 10000 words each. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Done Magic Ballerina #4 T{{t|1063662}} including the variant first U.S. title. I specified length "novelette" in one publication record only, may need to end session before seeing the effect (not to mention complete variant/import of the artworks). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:21, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: Done. T{{t|1063662}}<br />
:::: Initially, evidently, I assigned Storylen novelette to one new CHAPBOOK title rather than to the new shortfiction in one of its publications, so I don't know whether the latter would propagate. Later I updated the SHORTFICTION title to Storylen novelette. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:53, 11 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas in Enchantia'' ==<br />
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Re your update to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303696 this record]: If a reliable secondary source (like OCLC) gives a page count which contradicts Amazon's count, odds are pretty good that it's the correct count. Amazon's page count comes from the total number of pages in a book, based on publisher data, and it is usually in multiples of 4 (because that's how most books are published.) We use the same page counting method as OCLC. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:09, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Tail of Emily Windsnap'' ==<br />
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The LCCN given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?65785 this publication] should be "2003065284", not "203-65284". The number you gave is missing a zero, and the LoC removed the dash at the start of this century. The last six digits must also have leading zeros to complete it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:53, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?523577 this record], the Canadian price should be given in the format "C$" instead of "$C". Think "'''C'''anadian Dollar'''$'''" for the right sequence. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: done; done; immediately preceding section too --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:08, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Man They Couldn't Arrest'' ==<br />
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Re the notes in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310745 this publication]: The OCLC record to which you link doesn't give the publication date as 1925. It provides the copyright date. The book must be undated, because the other OCLC record linked in the notes gives it as "[c1927]" meaning circa 1927. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:47, 11 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Merrimeg'' ==<br />
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Re the update to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1980903 this title]: Its type now mismatches the publication under it. You could have made one submission updating the publication record's type and its title reference. Please update the publication record when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:23, 11 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of Odin'' ==<br />
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The first note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?564977 this record] needs clarification, as it appears to suggest that the author's name is given differently and not the illustrator. That should be part of a note about the actual illustrator credit. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:57, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Attempted and I hope done minutes ago ... [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2994242] as approved by Rtrace --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:37, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I changed the publisher credit to "The Macmillan Company" which was the US publisher's name in the first half of the 20th century. (That's also what is given on the title page.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:33, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Regarding 'The Macmillan Company' reportedly succeeded by Macm Publ Co aka Macm Inc, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?85 Publisher:Macmillan] says this is a catch-all; "There is currently no attempt to separate these into two publishers." --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes that could be confusing, especially since there is an attempt to separate "The Macmillan Company" for the early 20th century. (Search for it.) Perhaps it's saying that there is no attempt to separate "Macmillan Publishing Company" and "Macmillan, Inc." into two different publishers. They both should be entered as "Macmillan". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:56, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Earlier today I entered three [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?5188 Publication Series: Macmillan Children's Classics] from "Macmillan". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Check their title pages. During this time period, US publications should be "The Macmillan Company". UK publications should be "Macmillan and Co.". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:56, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::I've made the changes based on secondary sources, and have updated the note on the publisher page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?85 Macmillan]. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:06, 31 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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(edit conflict) (i simply dump it and run as i am expected at about 00:00)<br />
: Another day I might check HathiTrust for digital copies (which WorldCat or some WorldCat libraries evidently catalog/ue as ebooks, by the way). <br />
: Macmillan is well-established in the database; seems to be established just as "Doubleday, Doran" for DOUBLEDAY, DORAN AND COMPANY, INC. ([[User talk:Mhhutchins#The Autocracy of Mr. Parham]]) and perhaps alternatives of intermediate length. <br />
: For now it's late enough for me to pursue a TV basketball game. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:19, 31 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Page counts on Amazon ==<br />
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Re the note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?376784 this record]: There's no need to record the page count provided by Amazon when you have a reliable secondary source (or the book in hand.) They use the publisher's method of counting ''all'' the pages in a book, unlike the method we use. Giving the Amazon data when it's wrong (or anyone's for that matter) would only confuse the user. WorldCat uses approximately the same method as the ISFDB, so it's a pretty reliable source for page counts. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:55, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:#Before I return to that record let me follow-up at one or two removes. This publication record is "Not Verified" with respect to any source. Previously it contained a single Note, "Data from Amazon.com as of 2012-02-13" (and the auto-generated "Cover art supplied by Amazon.com" presumably derived from the Image URL value). Thus Amazon appears to have been the only source; it is the only source if previous editors have done their jobs well.<br />
:#Would that also be true if the record were Verified w/r one or more secondary Reference such as Locus1? Or does it go without sayin' --without a Note-- that some of the data may be from any one of the "Verified" secondary References?<br />
: If it isn't clear what I have in mind, say so simply and I will expound another day. Good night, too late for me --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:36, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::# When a record states "Data from Amazon.com" that means it has been verified against Amazon's data. That doesn't mean it's correct. That means it matches the data given by Amazon. That would be the same for any secondary source. I'm not sure what you mean by "previous editors have done their jobs well." If the note in a publication record states "Data from Amazon.com as of 2012-02-13", there's a 99% chance that the editor was this clever fellow named [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]. He does a great job creating publication records from the multi-billion bytes of data on Amazon, but I'm not sure if I'd invite him to a party. :)<br />
::# Yes. Those records that are marked as verified using data from [[Reference:Verification_Sources|secondary sources]] means the same thing as the Note about Amazon being the source. When there are multiple secondary verifications marked, it would be nice if an editor would indicate exactly which data comes from which source. Some of us do, but nothing requires that we do so. I've found it's a good habit to get into when verifying from multiple sources. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:44, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Farrar & Rinehart ==<br />
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I've deleted the wiki page for this publisher and moved the data to the database page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?17605 this publisher]. Keep this in mind when adding publisher data to the database. Wiki pages for data are being phased out. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:30, 9 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: What about a more complex page such as [[Publisher:Rinehart]], which has an image and two footnotes?</font> --of which the image and one note is the sort of material that "should" be kept somewhere. Does the database have features other than text and HTML markup behind a {BREAK}? Does the medium-term plan for Wiki pages cover some of the Rinehart elements? <br />
: What is the medium-term prospect for Author and Bio pages? ...<br />
: ... (much later) OK, I found and read three sections at ISFDB:Community Portal, currently #81-83 of which the first is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Wiki-to-Database_migration:_Publication_and_Publication_Talk_pages 81 Wiki-to-Database migration: Publication and Publication Talk pages]. I don't see the practical import. <font color=green>I think maybe "keep in mind" means you hope I will do the migration myself for a substantial Wiki page that is so simple as the former [[Publisher:Farrar & Rinehart]]? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:58, 9 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::No. By "keep in mind", I mean don't add data to any wiki pages when it can be easily added to the database proper. The questions you've asked should be part of the discussion on the Community Portal. This migration hasn't been fully discussed, and I'm as much in the dark as everyone else about it. About those images, I have no idea how they're going to be handled. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:29, 9 April 2016 (UTC)</font><br />
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== Verification Sources - What are they? What do they mean? Where can I find them? ==<br />
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Re the question you posted on Chris's talk page just now about the ISFDB list of Verification Sources: I direct you to the answer I supplied to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Pwendt#Page_counts_on_Amazon this post]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:04, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: That is no answer. The table in ISFDB Wiki provides no key to use of the sources themselves, nor any remarks about precedence they should take in use for editing the ISFDB database. (As for Amazon, not one of the sources, you have written that other sources take precedence; further, that to provide discordant Amazon data is discouraged.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:50, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I answered the direct question below. The purpose of this post was to point you back to a previous one in which I provided you with a link to a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Reference:Verification_Sources page] which explains each of the sources which are listed on the "Verification Status" table of each publication record. Clicking on each of them (under the "Reference" column) gives a pretty thorough explanation, except for Locus1, which is the only online source, so we felt it only necessary to link to that website. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I followed the linkname "Locus1" that we display on publication pages (not in the ISFDB Wiki table) and poked around that website for a while. There is no key at the head or foot of the index ("The Locus Index to Science Fiction: 1984-1998") nor is any such thing evident in the site index ("The Locus Index to Science Fiction: Site Directory") that we target as "Locus1" on publication pages. <br />
: So I asked Chris J about the key, and the dating convention in particular.<br />
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In Locus1 listings, the first date is the book's date of publication as supplied by the publisher; the date in brackets is the date a copy of the book was received in the Locus offices. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:08, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. That is what I asked Chris J in particular.<br />
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By "key" do you mean the [http://www.locusmag.com/index/abbrev.htm list of abbreviations] used in the Locus database? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:09, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: No, I scanned that as I poked around three hours ago. It covers only abbreviations, no other conventions. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:50, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I guess William Contento, who managed the Locus database, didn't believe a key was necessary. Other than the bracketed date, everything else in a Locus listing is self-explanatory. What are the conventions you were needing to know about Locus1? I've been there thousands of time, so I could probably answer most of them. 03:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: On my first visit, none but the dual dates. If something comes up later, I'll ask you. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:23, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Missing price on The Minnipins ==<br />
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You have a £ symbol but no price listed for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567580 recently added pub for The Minnipins]. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 22:53, 20 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I "learned" the blank currency symbol to indicate the US/UK nationality of the publication (granted we may actually need a value such as 2s/6d) from ''NightBirds on Nantucket'' T{{t|13704}} which displays its systematic use evidently by [[User:Bluesman]].<br />
: I sometimes use it, after consultation at [[User talk:Mhhutchins#Price £ or $]], but I don't often remember and don't always have the pound symbol at hand, so I don't use it much. Nor did I take the suggestion to raise the convention for discussion by the community. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:22, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::If you have an American keyboard, you can use the ALT code for the British pound symbol: ALT+0163 (hold down the ALT key and enter "0163" in the number pad.) For other ALT codes go [http://www.alt-codes.net/ here]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]]<br />
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:::Ah... I had not seen that convention before. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:00, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Poppyseed Cakes'' publisher ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your {{P|567826|Poppyseed Cakes}} submission, but in the notes you mention it says "A Borzoi Book". If Borzoi is on the title page, I think you should instead record the publisher as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1305 Borzoi / Alfred A. Knopf] to capture the imprint, especially since we already have an imprint / publisher entry. I'm guessing we are not very consistent about capturing the Borzoi (given the few publications), but I did not find any discussion suggesting we should NOT capture it. See what you think. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:13, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: [http://www.amazon.com/Poppy-Everymans-Library-Childrens-Classics/dp/0375712321 Here] is the "Look Inside!" which does show the title page with no mention of Borzoi <br />
: title page bottom: Everyman's Library Children's Classics // <br />
:: Alfred A. Knopf New York London Toronto<br />
: copyright page top: This is a Borzoi Book //<br />
:: Published by Alfred A. Knopf<br />
: In the bullet list I mean initial dashes to indicate second-level items, three sub-points to "copyright page". Now submitted[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3015346] I insert add a first list item "Title page" and add a colon to "Copyright page:". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:21, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Placing publication data in a title record ==<br />
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This is not usually done. We try to separate the work (the title record) from any publication of the work (the publication record). Why not just create publication records for these Kennedy chapbooks? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:00, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Regarding the latter, maybe I should have done so, or saved more work in progress at [[Author:Marcia Sewall]] which I also had open as I gradually closed down. I did want to provide sources for fixing the shortfiction title dates.<br />
* Is there any way to create at once a new CHAPBOOK from a SHORTFICTION Title record; that is, to create a new container for that work? [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::There is not a way to add a publication to a contained title (SHORTFICTION, ESSAY, INTERIORART), only a container title (NOVEL, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, etc.) using the "Add New ..." function. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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* How to you suggest that a library catalog/ue Summary be noted in container title record? Eg, "Visiting with the caretaker of an empty old mansion, orphaned Jessamy emerges from the nursery closet into the world of 1914 when her namesake lived in the same house and left her adventures and a mystery to be solved again in the present. --Summary from one library catalogue record" without any link?<br />
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::You don't have to provide a link, just give the source. If the link is permanent, just use simple HTML to create a link. Don't link to an outside webpage if you're not certain that it's permanent. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: In user space I have now assembled much data on these story publications. I'll think about how to create database records efficiently.<br />
: P.S. I don't know whether we try to write in the database, as at Wikipedia, "catalog" or "catalogue" depending on whether or not some entity is USAmerican. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Both spellings are acceptable in the ISFDB. Any English reader should be able to understand both. Don't waste time trying to determine if the source is American English or British English (or any other form of English). Use the spelling you're more comfortable with. (I'm puzzled why so many Wikipedia editors use "whilst" instead of "while" as a conjunction. To my American ears, the former sounds so pretentious. But as for differences in spellings, I can look at "flavour", "centre", and "realise" all day long without blinking an eye.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Acknowledged, thanks. I must run now, after completing [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard#Richard Kennedy]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:04, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Bedknob and Brookstick(s)'' ==<br />
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I have no idea what you're doing with these latest submission (adding a new title reference to a record that already has one.) But I've accepted them with the expectation that you'll clean them up (they're in pretty bad shape right now.) Perhaps it would have been better to just delete them and start from scratch. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:56, 30 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Probably that would have been better. (I'll check back within 24 hours) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:15, 1 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Removing a double-credit ==<br />
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When you end up with an author/artist credited twice, removing just one of them does not work. The software is not smart enough: It finds that each name is still associated with the record and keeps each one. To remove a double-credit, you need to remove all of them, then put one back after the removal is accepted. I did that for you. I hope {{T|1995888|this}} is what you wanted. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:09, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:The recent change in software allows an editor to also edit each COVERART record individually. So you can edit one record to give both artist credits, and then use the remove function to get rid of the other one. You also have to remember to delete the record you removed, since it will stay in the database, regardless of whether it is associated with a publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:42, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: thanks --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:52, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Pippi Longstocking ==<br />
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Hello, please remember to merge the NOVEL titles created when you add an OMNIBUS. I've done this for you by supposing that the translators stayed the same. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:54, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi. Can you direct me to instructions or discussion concerning multiple published translations into one language?<br />
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: I do maintain notes on things to do "later", as in Notes to Moderator for two omnibus editions of Pippi yesterday [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3032589] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3032610].<br />
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: I do not know the treatment of multiple translations. I see that it may be very complex {{t|7388|Title: Voyage au centre de la Terre}}. '''For the Pippi Longstocking novel(la)s, where we now have multiple translations merged as one Title, I do have some notes on translations in user space.'''<br />
:::::: Tiina Nunnally 2007 (see below) is the only third translation of the novels in my user space notes. Evidently she also translated some Pippi picture books; maybe some first English editions ...<br />
: The two Pippi omnibus editions do not contain original translations but they do contain different translations --1950s US translations in the Viking omnibus and 1950s UK translations in the Oxford omnibus. We now have distinct Title records for the two early English translations only for book 2, ''Pippi Långstrump går ombord'', and only because its was published under two different English titles, US ''on Board'' T{{t|1998501}} and UK ''Aboard'' T{{t|1462189}}.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:46, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: I submitted improvements to the two OMNIBUS Title records only, said in Note to Moderator "in progress; novel Titles 1 and 3 may need un-merge; User talk:Pwendt#Pippi Longstocking (w moderator Hauck)"<br />
:: Translators are now identified primarily in the 1950s novel publication records. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::For multiple translations, the rule is that there is one translated title record for each translator (that why we're putting the translator at title level, it avoid undue merging), see for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?63598 this short story] that has three different translations in french and so 3 different title records. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:19, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Update done, for the two OMNIBUS Title records and four NOVEL Title records. What is the best way to unmerge the two Viking publications of Pippi in the South Seas, for instance. Begin at the first publication P{{p|568496}} and remove the container NOVEL [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/rmtitles.cgi?568496]? Or manually copy all to a New Novel? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:03, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::No, first go to title level ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1462190 here]), then select the "Unmerge Titles" tool (on the right side), choose the two "Viking" titles, submit and then you'll see that the unmerge function is bugged when there's an OMNIBUS present! (I've already alerted to this specific problem but to not avail) Without such a bug (e.g. with only novels to unmerge, you'll just have to "re-merge" the correct newly created titles and re-variant them). I've done this for you (or so I hope), result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1462193 here]). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:19, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Thanks, H. For the first novel there is a third translation, apparently also commissioned by Oxford. Some data at Amazon are corrupt. <br />
Note to self: Amazon provides Look Inside 978-0-19-278241-0 (paper) --with 2007 transl. by Tiina Nunnally-- for some other editions, at least once without notice. <s>We may have incorrect data (incl cover image?) for 2011 US Viking p{{p|530058}}, 2012 UK Oxford {{p|481286}}</s> '''those records confirmed, expanded -Pwendt'''<br />
:::::: Now I will *add* 978-0-19-278241-0 to the database and then maybe quit Pippi for today. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I've worked a bit on it and created three different and separate translations. Still missing are the translators of the two omnibuses. If you add them, I can do the (bugged) unmerging. See you tomorrow! [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:16, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::::: Our records for the two omnibus editions are correct; I switched one of the contained translations, which required several steps because of the bug you noted. I added links to LCCN and OCLC records but Amazon including its Look Inside! is the source of almost all data. <br />
:::::::: After confirming/correcting our records for the three publications immediately above, all single novels, it was easy to unmerge and merge them, two steps. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:09, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Publisher T. Nelson ==<br />
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"T. Nelson" shows up as a new publisher. It looks to me like it is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Nelson_(publisher) Thomas Nelson]. If you agree, and it's ok with you, may I change that to Thomas Nelson on those two submissions (leaving your notes as-is)? We have Thomas Nelson as a publisher already. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:06, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Please hold for a few days. Perhaps I will add more Ursula Moray Williams eds. from notes in user space, pass over any "T. Nelson" or make a note to hold those too. I will check other sources for these. LC catalog was down for me Fri/Sat and after end of semester yesterday I have no night/Sunday access to historical newspapers. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:32, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, I will do that. Let me know when you are done and what you decide we should use. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:03, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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* One more submitted and cancelled by mistake [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3034688] "Camden [N.J.] T. Nelson" (other cities are New York and Nashville [Tenn.]) <br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:40, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: All four now in the queue should be "Thomas Nelson".<br />
::: I added a Note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28709 Publisher: Thomas Nelson & Sons], not yet for Thomas Nelson, and reallocated a few books. A few remain. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Great. I accepted the submissions and changed the publisher in each to Thomas Nelson. I also added the Wikipedia link to the Thomas Nelson page. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:37, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I added a Note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?386 Publisher: Thomas Nelson], narrowed its target to the Wikipedia section Current United States company, and completed reallocation of all pre-1969 books to the British company (& Sons), which published also in North America. We don't attribute any subsequent publications to &&nbsp;Sons and a glance at ISBN for Thomas Nelson publications suggests that we may not have any in the database. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== [Hamish] Hamilton ==<br />
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Hi. You used Hamilton on {{P|570740|this}} but Hamish Hamilton on {{P|570741|this}}. The LOC records both show London, Hamilton, and I am guessing both should have the same publisher credit. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:58, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hamish Hamilton. At the same time I promoted Reindeer Books from my Notes (as series noted by both LCCN and OCLC) to Publication series. <br />
: And i eliminated Reindeer Books from the database as a publisher by revising one record. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 16 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Net to Catch the Wind'' ==<br />
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The system was grumpy about your submission for {{P|571624|A Net to Catch the Wind}} and forced me to reject it. It looked to me like the changes were the notes and the date on everything. I copied the notes over and made the date change. Please check that it's all the way you want it, and if there's something other than the notes and date, you'll have to redo it. Sorry about that, and thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:48, 24 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I had created the CHAPBOOK title with a redundant copy of the SHORTFICTION and "Note to Moderator: first publication of this short story; later merge them" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3042213]. Probably another editor merged them, thus deleted the new SHORTFICTION, while my first follow-up was in the queue.<br />
: All is well. I restored hyperlinks and on further investigation I found more to be said P{{p|571624}}. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:02, 24 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dragon's Nest ==<br />
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I answered your posting on my "Messages Page". When you're right, you're right, and you were right. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:45, 17 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Faust'' submission ==<br />
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Hi. I think your ''Faust'' submission duplicates {{P|372389|this entry}}. See what you think. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:19, 24 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi. Yes, my submission duplicates the book, 1st ed. presumable 1st printing. I missed it yesterday.<br />
: Do we use such longlong titles by policy? I have shortened some full titles that are much shorter than this one. And we now give a one-word title for the companion novel <i>Falstaff</i> (1976) T{{t|1612138}}. For that one I had partly assembled in user space, but not submitted, data for the two 1st eds. thus:<br />
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:: (1st ed.) LCCN: <a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/77352232">77-352232</a> and OCLC: <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2930386">2930386</a><br />
:: -- as Main title: "Falstaff : being the Acta domini Johannis Fastolfe, or Life and valiant deeds of Sir John Faustoff, or The hundred days war, as told by Sir John Fastolf, K.G., to his secretaries William Worcester, Stephen Scrope, Fr. Brackley, Christopher Hanson, Luke Nanton, John Bussard, and Peter Basset <br />
:: -- "/ now first transcribed, arranged and edited in modern spelling by Robert Nye."<br />
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:: (1st US ed.) LCCN: <a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/76027765">76-27765</a> and OCLC: <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2373077">2373077</a><br />
:: -- (as above)<br />
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: For <i>Falstaff</i> all four linked records give the long title. For <i>Faust</i>, LC gives one-word title for the 1st ed.[https://lccn.loc.gov/80142102], longlong for the 1st US ed.[https://lccn.loc.gov/80039696]. <br />
: Perhaps the longlong titles should appear only in Notes, perhaps best in both Title and Publication records.<br />
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: <s>P.S. At the moment Robert Nye A{{a|5059}} because "merge/variant as approp" remains on my to-do list for three Beowulf titles.</s> --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:59, 24 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::We want the title as the book has it on the title page. You could raise this question on the [[Rules_and_standards_discussions|Rules and standards discussions]] page or the [[ISFDB:Community_Portal|Community Portal]] and see what others have to say. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:47, 25 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hi. I still have that submission on hold. Since you agree that it's a duplicate, would you copy any information you want to preserve into the existing entry and then cancel it when you do not need it any longer? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:34, 14 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: ok {{done}} (and <s>strikeout</s> what is long obsolete above) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:54, 14 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Copyright dates for some of Kipling's ''Just So Stories'' ==<br />
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Hi, I accidentally approved one of your submissions and have put several others on hold: the copyrights of these are assigned for the years 1900 & 1901 to Kipling, but this is not enough to ensure a publication in the respective year. Have you any more evidence for respective publications before 1902? (Per help we assign the original publication date of a title, not the year of copyright or writing.) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:48, 28 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
: I cancelled and resubmitted one of the four (Armadillos) that were on hold because that one alone names a publishing company, Curtis Publishing Company. Five state copyright by Kipling alone, of which four prior to 1902 so that I submitted a change in the "Year" field.<br />
: Wikipedia and others say that three of the twelve stories were published in a children's magazine, evidently by Century Company during 1897. Of the other nine Wikipedia says only that they were added to make the 1902 collection, but I suppose Curtis had published the one somewhere.<br />
: If I understand correctly, the Notes are OK, and may prompt someone to find a deeper source. But the "Year" 1902-00-00 should be retained/restored for three of those on hold and for one that you approved (Leopard). Right?<br />
: Now I must break, perhaps for the day. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:10, 28 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: '''Update.''' Now at the university library where I have access to historical newspapers. Here are the first two of three sentences in one item, "Notes and News" <i>NY Times</i> 1902-04-12 pBR12<br />
:: "Rudyard Kipling has finished three more stories for the <i>Ladies Home Journal</i> in his series of "Just-So Stories", which he has been writing for the magazine.[retaining copyright evidently] The first of the stories will be called 'The Cat That Walked by Himself'."<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:03, 28 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::As this note appeared in 1902, I have restored 1902 as the year of publication: it may be possible (even likely), that some titles were published before the book, but as we don't know yet which of them and when, we better stick with the yet known first publication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:59, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I agree. I fully hope and half expect to find some 1900 to 1902 magazine publication dates with university library facilities, but that is not for today. And I withhold incremental update of the COLLECTION <i>Just So Stories for Little Children</i> T{{t|39137}}. <br />
:::: Technically, are you as moderator able to revise my submission? Or do you mean approve what is on hold and then make another update yourself? (I see in the log of my rejected submissions that you did not reject any, and I don't know of any other log available to me.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:12, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Well, it's only possible to either reject a submission or to accept it and change the new record afterwards in a second step. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:26, 30 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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11 of the 12 stories were previously published in US (9) and UK (2) from December 1897 to October 1902, per Ernest Walter Martindell, ''A Bibliography of the Works of Rudyard Kipling (1881-1921)'', Bookman's Journal, 1922 (located at books.google.com).<br />
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All 12 short story Title records done, with that information --the first three-part serial with links to digital copies at HathiTrust Digital Library. COLLECTION Title not yet updated. <br />
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One month before it published the first of six stories, <i>The Ladies Home Journal</i> April 1900 published an article --not necessarily prose by Kipling-- entitled "Rudyard Kipling's New Animal Stories". That is the top line of the front cover ([http://www.magazineart.org/main.php/v/womens/ladieshomejournal/LadiesHomeJournal1900-04.jpg.html LHJ 1900-04 cover image]).<br />
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--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:51, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Evidently "The Elephant's Child" is the story content published under "Rudyard Kipling's New Animal Stories", April 1900. That explains the 1900 copyright, and I suppose that the title sufficiently explains why the 1926 bibliographer missed it. So I cancelled the submission on hold, focusing on that story's 1902 re-issue in ''The Windsor Magazine''. <br />
: [https://lccn.loc.gov/2007586218 LCCN: 2007-586218]; [https://lccn.loc.gov/2008570150 2008-570150]<br />
: Also I know the original illustrator {{a|Frank Ver Beck|130668}}. That's all for now, no time to write up. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:56, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Pearson's Magazine, October 1902 ==<br />
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Hello. Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304415 this publication], I have put your submission on hold, as I didn't understand your change from 1902-08-00 to 1902-09-00, given the date of publication of the magazine. If this is not a typo, please clarify in the notes if possible. Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 20:55, 20 July 2016 (UTC).<br />
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: I suppose that is a typo, '9' for '0', as I must have intended to change the date of the Title ''Pearson's Magazine - 1902'' T{{t|1049941}} from 1902-08 to 1902-00. Probably I shouldn't have tried to change that along with Publication update ''Pearson's Magazine, October 1902''.<br />
: Just now I submitted merge of the April 1902 number with the 1902 volumes. The merge tool offered two choices to resolve Conflict, 1902-08 and 1902-04, and I selected the latter. <br />
: Probably I should have changed Title ''Pearson's Magazine - 1902'' from Year 1902-09-00 (oversight by previous editor, I suppose) to 1902-00-00 before undertaking to add any more 1902 issues. <br />
: Until 1902-08-00 approved by Hauck a couple hours ago, I had not previously added a number to a magazine year that is in the database, only added a year to a magazine series and added contents to number that is in the database. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:24, 20 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: A glance at other years shows that we date the Pearson titles by year YYYY-00-00 in some instances, and YYYY-MM-00 in other instances. For the latter, 'MM' is the month of the earliest number that is in the database, and I suppose this to be an oversight by previous editor. The title by year YYYY should always carry Year = YYYY-00-00. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:28, 20 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: My subsequent [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3097568 Pending Title Update Submission] includes change of Year from [now 1902-04-00] to 1902-00-00. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:47, 21 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::I'm not sure there's a written rule for this. I usually change the date to "YYYY-00-00" (or simply "YYYY") with titles grouped by year but I've seen other strategies. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:36, 21 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sorry for not answering sooner, as I have been unavailable until now. I'll approve your submission; please make the necessary corrections afterwards. Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 14:02, 21 July 2016 (UTC).<br />
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== Magazine submission ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?579777 This] had a problem with an empty, unclosed anchor tag (it was just <code><a href="</code>) that made a mild mess of the display. I replaced that with XXXXX. It'll need fixing up. I think all of the rest of your note text survived. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:22, 26 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Harper's Weekly Magazine First Publications ==<br />
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I have three edits by you on hold. In each case, you are adding a statement regarding first published in Harper's Weekly. However, in each of these cases, the applicable Harper's Weekly publication is already in the database and contains the story. First published statements at the title level are only needed when the pub is not cataloged. If the pub is cataloged, they are redundant. You have also added notes regarding page numbers, heading, and illustrations that belong in the applicable pubs; not at the title level. I will leave these on hold for you to move the information into the applicable pubs. When done, please cancel the edits. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:22, 6 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
: One done in part, using page numbers "1193" and "|1193" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3147240 Submission 3147240].<br />
: Do you think it is reasonable to put all of this info in the Note? (as I have not done; this is copy-paste from deleted submission 3146213):<br />
:: p1193-94, with 4 illustrations by Richards, uncredited (clearly signed "F. T. Richards")<br />
: Commonly our book publication Notes cover attribution explicitly, when that differs from credit per title page (or from general sources such as Amazon or LCCN, if t.p. is not viewed). That is by policy as I understand it. Generally I have not replicated such information in the relevant Title records, in this case the F. T. Richards INTERIORART record, but it seems appropriate to do so. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:46, 6 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that would be appropriate. Stating the book doesn't have a credit statement, but the artwork is signed is valid information. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:05, 6 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:# I did mean "appropriate to do" it in both records (wording may differ): in the publication record (here, a magazine issue) and the title record (here, interiorart comprising N illustrations). It occurs to me now that we have a very great number of publication records derived from each other by cloning, and many generated partly by importing titles. We cannot practically expect notes on attribution to be replicated for every publication that contains a title, so the title records "need" such notes.<br />
:# One of the three remains on hold ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3146212 Submission 146212]) because it concerns a story T{{t|1016675}} published under variant title that is in the database. Here the variant long title is the original, under a natural interpretation of the original heading; see my submitted Note. Perhaps the long original should have been made the canonical title, but suppose we let it be. Moments ago you linked to the current Rules and Standards discussion a 2014 exchange [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive12#Variant_Dating Archive 12#Variant Dating]]. Your recommendation, approved by Mhhutchins, as I understand it in this case: "Title: Ghosts That Have Haunted Me" should be dated 1896-12-19 because it's the canonical title and that's the first publication of the work. Right? And "Ghosts That Have Haunted Me: A Few Spirit Reminiscences" should be dated 1896-12-19 too, of course, because that's the first publication under that title.<br />
:: Good night, late here in USA. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]<br />
:::Title record notes should contain information specific to the title. Publication record notes should contain information specific to the publication. Each publication record is supposed to identify the source of the information (either via primary verification or a secondary source note). Publication records missing sourcing does not mean the sourcing should be placed at the title record, it means the publication record should be fixed. In fact moving it to the title record it counterproductive as just because it is one way in one publication does not mean it is that way in all publications.<br />
:::Re the remaining edit: Based on that edit, the Harpers Weekly edition had the subtitle. Therefore, the current parent should be removed from the publication and the variant with the subtitle added. The note still belongs in the publication. Just because Harpers had the subtitle does not mean every other occurrence used it. I've gone ahead and made the changes.<br />
:::Yes, both should have the same date. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:44, 9 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Preface (Dracula's Guest) ==<br />
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I have your edit to {{T|878884|Preface (Dracula's Guest)}} on hold. Did you mean to add this synopsis and notes to {{T|83927|Dracula's Guest}} instead? They seem meant for that shortstory and not the essay. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:03, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:I see you made a subsequent edit to add the information to "Dracula's Guest". As such, I have rejected the edit to the preface since the content is about the shortstory and not about the essay. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:08, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: No, i submitted different material, citing/quoting the same Summary presumably from 2013 publisher Hachette Audio, to the SHORTFICTION and ESSAY title records, as i deemed appropriate. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:16, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Resubmitted in part, with greater clarity i hope. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:00, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Catacombs: A Tale of the Barque Cats ==<br />
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A bit late, but I answered your request on my page :-) --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] 18:09, 21 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Smith of Wootton Major" merge ==<br />
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I had to hard-reject your merge of "Smith of Wootton Major". One of the titles involved with the merge no longer exists (probably merged away in another submission). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:46, 25 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Evidently I submitted it twice, working from a long "Check for Duplicates" report without refreshing. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:12, 25 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Philippa Fisher's Fairy Godsister ==<br />
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Found the cover artists of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1982057 this cover art] at iStockphoto.com and changed it. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 19:51, 18 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Continued with wikilinks at [[User talk:Zapp#iStockphoto, Simon Spoon]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:23, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Subtitles ==<br />
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We don't use "A Novel" as a subtitle, ever. Cheers --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 21:01, 20 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Rejected "The Street of Mars" ==<br />
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I rejected this book as non-genre. The story concerns some kids in England, who are fascinated by some Roman ruins in their town. The streets in those ruins are named after various Roman gods, and they have some modest adventures on the street named after the god "Mars". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:34, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. You must have a good source for used books. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:23, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Black Cauldron ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?156761 this pub] found and put in. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 18:08, 11 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi, Zapp. Actually I know the Jean-Leon Huens and Jody Lee cover illustrations on sight; apparently so does my correspondent [[User:Taweiss]]. See [[User:Pwendt/People#Prydain covers]] (data as of 2016-07-07; numerals 1-5 in sublists designate the five novels). <br />
: The problems in mid-2010s are how to find sources that are reliable and what to do about all the bad data we have, some from editors who are no longer with us.<br />
: We have records such as {{t|143244|COVERART 143244}} for Dell Yearling ''The Book of Three'' with Jody Lee "Author" and a cover illustrated by Huens displayed. ''The High King'' is worse, {{t|144106}}.<br />
: The management of Dell Yearling imprint is most to blame, in my opinion, producing books that (a) use one ISBN for multiple designs, different cover artists if not also different sizes; while also (b) do not identify their cover artists and (c) do not date their printings. So we have books with different printing numbers and prices (certainly and almost certainly increasing as time passes, but that isn't good enough).<br />
: I never investigated, never started to learn, the process for correcting any records verified by retired editors. Eg [[User:Dragoondelight]] --altho I see that one did retire with notice "take over any/all that you might wish".<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:18, 11 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A thousand Miles an Hour'' ==<br />
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After approval, I uploaded a better cover scan, where the artist's signature is visible. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSNDMLSNH1924 here]. Cheers ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 17:32, 17 November 2016 (UTC).<br />
: Thanks. That is better than I found at e-Bay. By the way, the Kindle edition shows bright colors (http://www.amazon.com/thousand-miles-hour-Herbert-Strang/dp/B003UM47G8#reader_B00BWE78AI; Look Inside; scroll up). I will put that in error report to SFE3, which has cover artist D C Eyles elsewhere. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:44, 17 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Last Western ==<br />
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Hello, can you be more precise about the spec-fic elements of this book (I didn't find anything really conclusive)? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Hi. I don't know the book but stumbled upon its record in the database, and added more data from libraries, in the course of determining that Thomas S. Klise is the father of Kate and M. Sarah Klise.<br />
: Web search hits a fan review-conversation "The Great, Forgotten Sci-Fi Novel About The End Of The World" in which one of them calls it this "Very 1970s Catholic Social Apocalypse/Baseball Novel". I'll read it and try add something to the Title record. <br />
: today i can check contemporary newspapers too ... --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::I stumbled on the same page but after reading it (the page not the novel) I wasn't that convinced. The author is not on SFE3 and other usual sources so without any further evidence, I'm going to delete it. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:01, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: I find no review in multiple newspapers 1974 (and it was published early in the year). Sometimes I have access to journals and magazines, but not today.<br />
:::: One advertisement by a Chicago bookstore (send $6.95 plus 40c p&h per copy) quotes three reviews and also Walter M. Miller of ''Canticle for Leibowitz'' --the most apt author I can think of, but this is what we call "near-future" history evidently, in contrast to Miller's millenia.<br />
:::: The blurbs quoted from three reviews say in part "the most exciting and significant event in religious publishing in many many a moon", "a prophetic statement that dwarfs most others"; and "one of the most important religious books of the decade"; and "speculative fiction at its finest!". <br />
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:::: The first Customer Review at Amazon.com [https://www.amazon.com/last-Western-Thomas-S-Klise/dp/0913592315/ref=la_B001KMSE3W_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1480875380&sr=1-1] reports that it was essentially self-published (thus no reviews) and observies, "The Last Western's near-future setting makes it a speculative science fiction novel as well (R.A. Lafferty and Philip Jose Farmer both blurbed it)." And another says "A moving allegorical tale of grace, sin and redemption", ^a modern equivalent of Bunyan's "A Pilgrim's Progress"^ --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Blind" merges ==<br />
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Hello, I've rejected some of your proposed cover merges as there was no images for some titles so no way to determine if it's indeed the same cover. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:17, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: OK. I resubmitted MakeVariant for the one "Harold Siegel" title that does have a cover image.<br />
: For a couple weeks I have the Viking hardcover with dustjacket, library copy in clear plastic wrapper. Maybe I will look up how to make and upload an ISFDB-compatible cover image. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dr. Dolittle and the Green Canary ==<br />
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Hello, in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?598849 this pub] there seems to be a duplicate. Perhaps is the SHORTFICTION record an INTERIORART one. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:42, 27 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cosmopolitan, July 1889 ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your sumission but deleted the INTERIORART record. Only fiction is entered for nongenre magazines. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:45, 16 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Rose Royal'' price ==<br />
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Did you mean to include a price on {{P|88898|Rose Royal}}? It came through with just "$". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:22, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
: No, I noticed '$' in the table for another Nesbit book and thought that's a good idea to indicate UK/US ed without opening the publication records. I meant to enter '£' for Dormant too T{{t|197008}} (altho price surely less than £1) but overlooked it. Should it be deprecated? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:15, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
::I don't know. I wouldn't submit one that way, but others are, and the submissions are being approved, so you're just following precedent. They are easy enough to find and fix if someone decides we don't want them. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:42, 24 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Complete Book of Dragons'' clone ==<br />
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Hi. I don't understand the ''Complete Book of Dragons'' clone you've submitted. Doesn't it duplicate {{P|88864|this}}? Also, the notes say "1st US ed." but then you've given "£" as the price. So I'm a little confused. Help? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 03:19, 26 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
: evidently I did export contents from 1973 us to 1972 uk. So the clone is earlier mistake I neglected to delete. <br />
: good night --Pwendt from mobile keyboard without tilde afaik<br />
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== Earlier Dates ==<br />
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Hello, when you create a new record for a title that is earlier than the existing one (as you probably did with some Nesbit titles), please remember to change all the dates to the new earlier one, if not they will appear on a cleanup report and will have to be changed by a moderator. Thanks [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Wikipedia images ==<br />
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We can't link to Wikipedia, but generally images posted to Wikipedia are licensed in such a way that you can download them and upload them to the ISFDB (citing the source). Wikipedia provides a link to the license information for the image, so you can check the terms. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:20, 8 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Sequence of URL in Webpages field (Julie/Eloisa) ==<br />
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Hello, I believe I have this issue straightened out.<br />
The way that the site orders these links, the last link entered always appears at the left as the first link in the list. So for your links<br />
: Vol I http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries00gardgoog<br />
: Vol II http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries04rousgoog<br />
: Vol III http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries02rousgoog<br />
: Vol IV http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries01rousgoog<br />
I entered them into the Title Record in reverse:<br />
: Vol IV http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries01rousgoog<br />
: Vol III http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries02rousgoog<br />
: Vol II http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries04rousgoog<br />
: Vol I http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries00gardgoog<br />
So that the end result is the display order that you are trying to achieve. Of course, if someone adds another link to the list, it will appear first, but these four links should still appear in the proper order.<br />
[[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 17:50, 11 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. Webpages must frequently be displayed in poorly chosen sequence partly because few editors know this! --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:15, 11 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Jena Anderson ==<br />
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I have your edit to add a link to {{A|Jena Anderson}} on hold. There really isn't anything about the artist on that page (other than a statement she did the covers). Did you include the correct link? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:09, 22 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
: It wasn't a good resolution, altho it was what I intended in a hasty revisit after poking around the web on my phone. (I'm abbreviated on Tuesdays and I was sharply abbreviated on this one.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:14, 22 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding fictive days in publication date ==<br />
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Hello, I've reverted your changes that wished to add a fictive day (to order the publications). Such a practice (even documented in the notes) is creating new false information. Perhaps would the projected "Printing rank" field help you in the future. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:57, 3 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
: That wasn't me. It was my phone :--;<br />
: Thanks. My record of the 1st printing was a complement to that of the 2nd printing by user Chavey, who has not yet replied to my note. Probably its best if you add a comment there too, [[User talk:Chavey#The Secret Garden]]. <br />
: A printing rank field would have some value. I wouldn't give that change high priority. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:26, 3 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
:: I am not able to get to that book at present. I did a couple of those "artificial dates" some time ago, but I don't anymore, and don't object to having it taken out (as Hauk did). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:41, 4 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Fouqué versus Fouque ==<br />
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The software/database considers "é" to match "e". So because we have an entry "Friedrich de La Motte Fouque", you cannot also create another entry "Friedrich de La Motte Fouqué" -- the software matches that latter accented text to the existing un-accented text. The best we can do is use whichever version is more prevalent and note deviations where they occur. You could try to determine whether changing the name to "Friedrich de La Motte Fouqué" would be appropriate. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:23, 4 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Where Magic Reigns: German Fairy Tales Since Grimm ==<br />
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Your recent edits to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?617607 Where Magic Reigns: German Fairy Tales Since Grimm] have left Undine with a publication date later than the anthology it appears in. I have approved it but it will need to be fixed. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 20:13, 14 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Another editor picked it up evidently.<br />
: I do proofread much next day but not so much as I do on the 20 minute cycle.<br />
: --Pwendt<br />
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== External Identifiers ==<br />
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External identifiers (OCLC, LCCN, etc.) should no longer go into the notes field, but now into the new External Identifiers field on the publication editing screen. Select the specific type from the pull down, and just enter the number. The software makes the link automatically. If you have more than one, just the "Add External ID" button. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:52, 9 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Old Man Gully's Hant ==<br />
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Hello, I've put your submission on hold. I'm wondering what you're trying to achieve. This will create a new canonical for an author that has only one record so is its own canonical. Data about the real name can go in the notes. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 20:37, 10 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
: My purpose was not to add the writer's real name or full name (for which we have one Author field) but to add the original author and year of this story, in a 1911 collection. LC has records of two books by this writer, both as Sarah Johnson Cocke. Both are also listed at [http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Cocke%2C%20Sarah%20Johnson Online Books by Sarah Johnson Cocke].<br />
: The collection has been reprinted, in a [https://www.amazon.com/Bypaths-Dixie-Sarah-Johnson-Cocke-ebook/dp/B00ANUM8EI Kindle edition] among others, but I don't plan add it, or to assess its contents. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:42, 12 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
::OK, your aims are clearer. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:17, 12 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Notes templates ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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We have a few new-ish templates that can be used in Notes, including one for LCCN. If you use that one instead of direct links, if they ever change the format of their links or their server, a single change in the template will keep the link correct (as opposed to needing to change them in each publication. The complete list is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Linking_Templates here]. You are writing some pretty impressive notes in titles so I thought I would bring these to your attention. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:48, 24 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
: Gentle reminder :) I just changed the direct link to worldcat's OCLC record [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?983244 here] to the template. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:15, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1375484 here] :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hi. The instruction seems to have publication records in mind. (Maybe the instruction needs expansion.)<br />
::: "The use of linking templates should be limited to third party records which are not directly related to the publication, e.g. "The skeleton OCLC record {{OCLC|123456}} may be related." (And I don't know the meaning of "skeleton OCLC record".)<br />
::: Do we have any discussion of how much blue ink is desirable in various kinds of records?<br />
::: For a story title record --many of my submissions this summer-- frequently the original magazine (eg, <i>St. Nicholas</i>) or original illustrator (eg, W. R. Lohse) is in the database but I do not routinely link them (and never link publisher pages).<br />
::: Of course the numerical library catalog IDs are meaningless --and stable, we hope?-- whereas magazine and personal names are meaningful --and our canonical names are not stable; poorly chosen canonical names are corrected, albeit slowly. There is a good argument for using in Notes a version that appears in a relevant publication. <br />
::: If and when we have a "What links here?" feature, it will be desirable that Notes include links to our database pages, especially personal pages. For instance, from {{a|W. R. Lohse}} it would then be possible to list records in which he is noted --such as this one of my recent Notes T{{t|1375033}}. (I didn't provide any internal or external links, nor cite a library catalog record. That one is on my list to add the original 1922 publication to the database.) <br />
::: Do we have any discussion of these issues?<br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:46, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::: P.S. Commonly when I add a Title note that is "complete" rather than "to be continued", I have in hand multiple external source IDs such as LCCN, OCLC, and ASIN. Thus I could provide, or impose, a lot more blue ink. The records you approved this hour, such as T{{t|1375484}}, link (and cite) OCLC rather than LCCN because in this case all three OCLC records list the Contents, and LCCN do not. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:55, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::: The idea of most of the templates is to replace links in all Notes fields - so if you are planning to add a link to OCLC, LCCN and so on in your text, instead of the link, just use the template - thus minimizing the chances for a technical mistake and allowing the links to be changed if one of those sources reindex or change the format of the links without chasing all variations. If you just want to list OCLC records with no link, you still can do that of course. The instructions do need an update - they need to start pointing to external identifiers as well (so people know not to put those in notes anymore). On the publication level, the templates are to be used when the link cannot be pulled into an External Identifier (thus the way the note is written) - related records and so on. I will work on a proposed new documentation (thanks for the reminder) :) So technically it won't have more blue ink - same number of links remain, they just look a bit different.<br />
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::::: Think of the templates as links shortcuts - if it is on the list and you are adding a link, use the shortcut instead :) They do not replace all links (if the format does not suit what you are doing, go for a real link), neither they replace non-linked references. They are just links for the references(or texts for a few special cases - the Translator one is a text only but its usage will help us find all records with a Translator note when the feature for that is implemented).<br />
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::::: So the note here from me is not about the cases where you are not linking but when you are (I think I changed only those - did I manage to change by mistake something that was not a link initially? Apologies if I did - please send an update removing the template and I will approve it). <br />
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::::: If you would like a discussion on when it is worth using those and when not, go ahead. But as I said, my note is just for the case where you already have a direct link. As I said above - I find your notes very informative so I am not arguing why you have the references - I am just pointing out that we have a faster and more stable way to do the links now :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:06, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Supernaturalist ==<br />
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I thought that only illustrators were classified as Cover Artists and not designers? In your verified version of {{P|562749|The Supernaturalist}} the cover artists are specified as Alexander Garkusha and Stephan von Bolderick. On the back cover of my copy of {{P|116881|The Supernaturalist}} it states <I>Cover design by Alexander Garkusha. 3-D rendering by Stephan van Bolderick</I>. Note it is <I>van</I> not <I>von</I>. So I wonder if they should be removed from the Cover Artist field. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 10:18, 29 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: No doubt ''van'' Bolderick, as I wrote in the Note. Certainly I didn't notice that our Author name we have is Stephen ''von'' Bolderick, and I don't recall whether that was my typo or whether the Dutch-language cover was in the database, which I imported or merged without seeing the variant spelling.<br />
: The Dutch edition is not verified now. I don't how to find any creators of that publication record P{{p|528633}}, nor whether we maintain records from which any administrator can find them. Since I understand ''van'' to be Dutch and ''von'' German, I suppose the Dutch edition states ''van''. <br />
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: '''Main point.''' See three others of mine, the trilogy {{s|Philippa Fisher}}, re which I did initiate relevant Rules & Standards discussion that you should read, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive14#Entering_authors_as_credited--complex_attributions Entering authors as credited--complex attributions]. One aspect re ''The Supernaturalist'' must be whether "Digital Vision" should be credited as an author, or Garkusha, etc. Probably I judged that discussion inconclusive as a guide to practice. If you "search the database" for probably offending Names --[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=digital+vision&type=Name Name search : Digital Vision], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=istockphoto&type=Name : iStockphoto], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=getty+images&type=Name : Getty] -- you will probably be offended!<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:08, 10 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Answering your inquiries. ==<br />
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Just to let you know I answered your inquiry to best of abilities for now. Please let me know how you want to proceed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:17, 28 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Page Numbers for Ebooks ==<br />
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Ebooks shouldn't have page numbers. Even though many Project Gutenberg transcriptions leave the "page numbers," they don't equate to real pages so we don't record them. I accepted your edits to ''Edmund Dulac's Fairy-Book: Fairy Tales of the Allied Nations'', but edited the publication to change the page numbers from "#" to "|#" (this uses the page numbering for ordering purposes, but doesn't display it). Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:00, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
: OK. Now I submitted the page numbers to the 1st ed. (Hodder & Stoughton, 1916), which are identical, from its HathiTrust e-copy. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3578155 Submission 3578155]<br />
:: Note to self: identical pagination but extended by one extra story p171-74, namely the lead story in 1915 ''Edmund Dulac's Picture-Book for the French Red Cross'' announced ''The Observer'' 1915-09-19 p3, promoted -11-21 p5 "should and will be the gift book of the season" at 3/- , with "appeal for funds to be sent to him direct, care of the Daily Telegraph" [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100298600 at HDL] <br />
: This list of Contents (to be checked tomorrow) is nearly as long as I am happy to fix manually --add page numbers to each record and, as i recall, import one here and two there. Do you think it is reasonable to complete Contents in publication A; remove all contents from publication B; export all contents from A to B with page numbers? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:48, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, that works if all the page numbers are the same. Be sure to add notes to the moderator explaining what you are doing when you remove the contents. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:50, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: I'll try that some next time. Frequently the sequence of Contents is identical in multiple publication records, perhaps because a previous editor has Export Contents or Clone from one to the other, after adding Contents but without page numbers (or sequence as published). In this case, however, the Contents were once as published and once alphabetical by title! (and a couple were missing) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:17, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== McClure's - 1906 ==<br />
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I have your addition of a McClure's magazine on hold. What month is this issue? It should be entered as an individual issue (McClure, Month Year) so the publication has the correct title. The title record would then get merged into a single year title. Also, you did not include a source statement in the pub notes field. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:44, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
: If it is to be done that way, I need some instruction, not found at Help > New Magazine. After a summer of much reduced activity I have forgotten much that I didn't use frequently. <br />
: As I suggest in the Note to Moderator [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3601041], I planned to merge the two "McClure's - 1906" with the old Note and new date 1906-00-00 (rather than 1906-06-00). Offhand I don't know how to merge to Title records that do not share author ("Editors of McClure's") and nearly share title. I merge only via the "Check Duplicate Titles" feature of the summary bibliography [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?115684]. In fact, I don't believe that I have forgotten another way to merge!<br />
: Then I would fix the Publication title and give it date 1906-05-00 (rather than 1906-00-00). <br />
: Thanks in advance. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:19, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::While that makes merging the title records easier, the problem is that it creates a publication record titled "McClure's - 1906". The publication record needs to be "McClure, Month Year". I've gone ahead and approved it so you can {{P|638128|see what I mean}}. Please fix it. Usually, the easiest way to combine magazine records into a single title record is to go to the editor's summary page ({{A|Editors of McClure's|115684}} in this case) and use the "Show All Titles" link. That will show the titles and you can select and merge them from there. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:35, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: Done.<br />
::: Perhaps in the past I submitted a New Magazine (Publication record) whose annual (Title record) year is not yet represented in the database. Probably Mhhutchins, who moderated most of my first 500, taught the other approach in that context. Of course there would be no Merge step at all: 1. create the annual Title record, 2. fix the Publication record that is automatically generated. Do you recommend another approach in that context? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:02, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::I would recommend using add new magazine and setting the magazine title to the correct thing (ex: "McClure, March 2018"). Then either use show all titles to merge the title records or change the title record to "McClure - 2018" and then using check for duplicates to merge. I think that approach is clearer. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:46, 23 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Frank Adams ==<br />
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I have your Frank Adams related edits on hold. While I agree the cartoon and illustrator are likely to be different people, what is your sourcing for the people you identify? Your moderator notes seems to make it sound like you are assuming they are the respective artists vs. having a source. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:42, 5 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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: OK. First I will add another book or three by Frank Adams, at least ''Alice in Wonderland''. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:57, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::Not exactly sure how to interpret that... For now, I rejected the edits & then disambiguated the artist. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:23, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::: OK. I see you disambig'd them in the opposite fashion. Last hour I submitted one publication of the 1912 ''Alice in Wonderland'' as by Frank Adams. I now know that he is the illustrator of ''The Wolf-Leader'' and many nursery rhymes, etc, but I am out of time. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:36, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::::I flipped them. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:31, 7 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::::: Thanks <br />
1. {{a|Frank Adams}}, British illustrator of nursery picture book mainly, is clear from the library records i consulted and some crucial images available online. AuthorUpdate [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3644945 submission 3644945] is experimental in format regarding how to use the {BREAK} command; I don't know whether that can be previewed when used correctly.<br><br />
: That update has been approved and I see that I did use {BREAK} adequately, as double-braces inline. ... (continued below)<br />
His Top 20 works/titles at WorldCat appear to be 15 nursery picture books, ''The Compleat Angler'' and ''Alice'', and three other books for adults including ''The Wolf-Leader'' (and two non-genre). Those three are not in the British Library catalogue as by "Frank Adams, 1871-1944" but the others are, and signatures show that this Frank Adams is the same one who provided a few illustrations for ''Wolf-Leader'' (and ''Barbara''). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:25, 7 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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2. {{a|Frank Adams (I)}}, creator of two cartoons published in 1950s pulp magazines, I did suppose on Tuesday to be the American WWII cartoonist 1914-1987 with page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Adams_%28artist%29 at English Wikipedia]. (I don't say "covered" at Wikipedia and know that that page may be deleted.) I have more data on this Frank Adams but I don't know that any should be used. Perhaps only indicated in a Note.<br><br />
: Only occasionally during the last few months I continue to add content to Author and Bio space in the ISFDB Wiki. Almost always that is update of an existing page, and commonly one that I created myself. (On instruction by Mhhutchins late in his tenure here, previously I used database Note fields where available, Magazine Publisher Series, but the Note field was not available for Author records.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:01, 7 December 2017 (EST) <br />
I did suppose the match with Frank Adams (I) on the evidence only that cartoonist and time-period are fitting; American nationality fits the 1952/1953 Ziff-Davis publications; and his [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56221 April 1953 ''Amazing Stories''] title "Lathrop, I'll have to ask you to stick with the rest of the party." (page 105) plus the following story title "The Invaders" (page 107) both broadly fit the war-time cartoonist reputation. Well, it seems likely to me that an American pulp published during the Korean War would run a cartoon by a known WWII cartoonist. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:44, 7 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:I found an example of his signature on-line and it is very similar to the cartoon. Without definitive proof though, I'm leery of bibliography by coincidence. That's an easy path to making errors. I added the info to the author notes for {{A|Frank Adams (I)|263053}}. As for the wiki, we are no longer using it for new notes. It is in the process of being phased out (very slowly, content is being copied from the wiki to the relevant notes field & the wiki pages deleted). Mhhutchins instructions would have been before that change. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:32, 8 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== The Adventures of a Brownie, As Told to My Child ==<br />
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Hi, I approved your submission for {{T|2191680|The Adventures of a Brownie, As Told to My Child}}, but the note contents you submitted look like they are a bit messed-up. Did you probably forget some text in the note (see the "Uncredited" there)? Also, the HTML formatting of the bullet points was not correct. The correct HTML structured is like this (the text goes ''behind'' the <nowiki><li></nowiki> element, not before):<br />
<source lang="html4strict"><br />
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<li>Item 1<br />
<li>Item 2<br />
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Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 15:13, 30 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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: I did mean the first item simply "Uncredited". I submitted a format fix. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:24, 30 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Project Gutenberg Links ==<br />
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When the Project Gutenberg text has been entered as publication, links to Project Gutenberg test do not belong at the title level as they specific to that single publication. The software will automatically link to Project Gutenberg on the publication page for the Project Gutenberg ebook. And when the Project Gutenberg text has not been entered as a publication, it is usually better to enter the Project Gutenberg ebook as a new publication than to add a title record level link. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:45, 26 February 2018 (EST)<br />
: Hi. Under what conditions does the software provide a link to any Project Gutenberg Ebook? For instance publication record P{{p|416826}} does not evidently provide a link even to Project Gutenberg itself (that is, I don't know where it is displayed) although the Catalog ID and Publisher fields are completed correctly. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:01, 26 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::It is on the left, under "Other Sites". --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:11, 27 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Cloning backward in time ==<br />
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Hello, when you clone a record "backward" in time as you did with <i>These Little Ones</i>, the contents appears on our cleanup report lest you change their dates (that are set the cloned book later date). It means that you have either to change the dates in the to-be-cloned record first (in one go) or to change the individual dates after cloning at title level (which is whay I had to do). Thanks for remembering this potential problem. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 02:01, 27 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Type changes ==<br />
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Hi, <br />
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When changing the type of a title with a single publication, you can change it via the "Change Publication" screen together (as it is a single, it does not get greyed out) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:19, 30 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Hugh Haughton ==<br />
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You mentioned a WorldCat link in the moderator note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?116402 the edit of this guy] ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3776102 note visible here]) but there was no WorldCat link in the bunch? And all 3 you have added are confirmed - they work and they point where they should :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:09, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. That composition was nearly ready to submit when I discovered and visited the Wikipedia page. I copied that URL and replaced the WorldCat as Webpage 2 but neglected to change WorldCat to Wikipedia in the Note to Moderator. <br />
: (I add WorldCat links only to author pages where English[and some other] Wikipedia biography page is not available with that link at the foot, which sometimes but rarely pertains to a second WorldCat page for the same person. Not so for LCCN, as English[at least] Wikipedia routinely provides LCCN link without point of entry to the Online Catalog, which is the main point in my opinion.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:30, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: I never use WorldCat for authors so I was not looking for the link specifically - I pinged you only because I saw the note and decided to let you know that I do not see the referenced link - when editors write notes (which is always a great thing to do), I make sure I pay attention :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:42, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks for the notice. Please continue under similar circumstances. <br />
::: By policy I begin the line "[br]later" when it and all that follows is a note to self. Since "later check newspapers" is most common and commonly first stated, and I may have 1000 submissions such, I suppose that regular moderators know "later ..." is a note to myself (albeit commonly revealing grounds for more confidence in the submission, even at a glance). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:51, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::: Oh, I know - I tended to do the same :) Still do - even as a moderator - actually. I was coming over anyway to let you know that you are missing a link - so I checked the other 2 - otherwise I would have left it for you to figure out and check (as I usually do) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:55, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Hard Reject on Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass ==<br />
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I had to hard reject the edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325659 this title]. The earlier merge of the two introductions retained the ID of the title that was not originally in this one - so this submission became invalid. I think I got the idea so I reapplied the |1-4 numbers - can you just verify that I got the order correctly (the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3776036 submission] shows only the first 2 elements - the two novels - and I extrapolated from there). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. It's good. My purpose was only to mimic the Contents display by another editor at the 2010 ed./printing P{{p|325659}}. Sometimes I submit "2nd of 3", etc, in foolish sequence, or neglect to numeral one of them. Even if I were perfect clerically, I would need study to learn when a particular sequence is necessary. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:41, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Any merge can cause troubles (depending on which ID remains and which one is dropped - you have a 50/50 chance of a followup update being valid) - so if you are doing a sequence that will contain a merge, either send the Merge first and wait for it to be approved or do all BUT the merge and when all is done, submit the merge. The sequence is good - it tells a moderator that you are working on it so they do not need to jump and do the next steps (and it also tells them to look for the rest of the sequence). Other actions that can cause issues: A date/name change of a story/essay/another element via "Publication Edit" - if someone clones/adds publication (thus making these unavailable for edit from the pub edit page), the edit is also erroring. Any deletes will also cause issues. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:46, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There ==<br />
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Why are you trying to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3777027 clone another publication] and not just edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?529935 this one]? What are the differences between the two? It needs a name change from what I can see (title page vs cover) but it seems to be the same book? Am I missing something? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:26, 10 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: I didn't know the two print publications were in the database when I submitted that, only the ebook. <br />
: Please hold the submission. For now I'll fix the ebook instead and leave both print ISBn 978-0-14-310762-0 publications in the database for discussion. I don't know the database model well enough, and don't trust its execution well enough anyway, to judge whether or not those two are "the same book". So ISBn 978-0-14-310762-0 is in the database three times for now, two approved and available in publication view and others, one on hold. <br />
: At Community Portal the heading will be some something like "Penguin Books and Penguin Books (US), for instance". <br />
: P.S. Only now I discover the advanced publication search by external identifier, eg [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/external_id_search_results.cgi?ID_TYPE=1&ID_VALUE=B00OQS4C8S ASIN B00OQS4C8S]. It needs several steps so I won't routinely use it in Note to Moderator but it's good to have.<br />
: --Pwendt 14:31, [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:51, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Both the book you are trying to submit and the one we have say Penguin Books (US) so I am not entirely sure what you mean. It is the same ISBN, the same format, the same dates an it is not verified - no reason to believe it is a different book. I can accept yours and delete the one we have but in the future, try to search by ISBN before adding (that would have found the tp) :) Let me know if you want me to proceed with approving and deleting the duplicate. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:52, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::: Our two records of print ISBn 978-0-14-310762-0 publications say "Penguin Books" and "Penguin Books (US)", whose meaning I will pursue. I prefer those two records remain, temporarily. I submitted the Charlie Lovett edition-edition (Penguin Classics Deluxe Edition) in its digital edition-format if you know what I mean. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::: One is the US edition, one is the UK edition. They are ok. This is standard handling for the publishers that are publishing on both sides of the ocean. The issue here is the THIRD one you are trying to add, that will be an exact copy to the already existing US one. Which will end up with 2 US and 1 UK edition of the ISBN and the two US ones are exactly the same. Thus one needs to go. Yours have more details so I can accept it and delete the existing US one - so we will still have 2 at the end. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:35, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I've approved yours, deleted the duplicate. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:38, 20 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: OK. Having returned from a very long weekend I continue work in progress on the Lovett, Haughton, and Green omnibus eds. of Alice. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:31, 24 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== About your test ==<br />
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<nowiki>{{LCCN|n79072843}}</nowiki> works in the regular notes; it does not work in the moderator notes :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:00, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}}<br />
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== Three Gothic Novels ==<br />
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Did you mean to add "1 belated hit 2018-04-26 in US newspapers:" in the NOTES of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?224681 this one]? If so - can you add more notes clarifying what exactly that means because it reads like gibberish to me and it does not connect to the rest of the notes in any way or form :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:20, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: ("belated" was inspired --or uninspired obscurity as you say-- for the late newspaper date; in notice on the retired verifier's talk page [[User talk:Swfritter#Three Gothic Novels]], I used boldface emphasis to the same effect<br />
: Yes, I'll do that--tomorrow unless I must forego the university library until Saturday (*). It turns out that I do hit the book as "Three Gothic Novels" in 1966 newspapers --which I missed in "Castle of Otranto" search yesterday-- so I will rewrite the offending note. But I must depart.<br />
:(*) I save links from successful search such as this but they operate only when I am again at the university library, benefiting from a building subscription to ProQuest Historical Newspapers. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:17, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: And I'll rearrange/format Gutenberg 696 P{{p|338196}} --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:18, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: {{Done}}. And done. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:06, 28 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Heartsease ==<br />
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This kind of details belong to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558917 proper pub note], not just the moderator ones. So I moved them in. Feel free to rewrite. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:45, 30 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}}<br />
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== Source ==<br />
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Any source that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3805737 this] does not actually have a cover from Stacey? Just because WorldCat says that there are 6 illustrations, that does not mean that he did not do the cover as well. Or am I missing something here? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
: The record gives no other source. Probably someone cut and paste hastily to the cover art field; evidently careless as interior art not entered. As I depart. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:42, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: OK then. I was also looking around and cannot find the attribution. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:38, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}}<br />
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== The Beast of Bradhurst Avenue ==<br />
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Hey, thanks a lot for digging through ProQuest for me; I found all the chapters and created serial records for them, so it's all finished now. Best, --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 16:08, 11 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Marianne Dreams ==<br />
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Can you please revise this statement: "Price from capsule in "Briefing"" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?672161 Marianne Dreams]? I am not sure what capsule would mean here and/or what you meant but as it stands, it is unclear. I can just revise it to read "Price from the "Briefing" section" but if you meant something else, please go ahead and revise it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:10, 28 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Done (capsule review) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:46, 28 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Planned Project Scope Expansion ==<br />
<br />
(I am leaving this note on the Talk pages of some of the more active editors to make sure that we are not missing anything. If you have been following [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this Rules and Standards discussion] and agree with the proposal, please ignore this note.)<br />
<br />
As per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this discussion], [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] is about to be expanded to include:<br />
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* Speculative ''fiction'' webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues<br />
* Special speculative ''fiction'' issues of non-genre webzines<br />
* One time speculative ''fiction'' anthologies published on the Web<br />
<br />
If you believe that this scope expansion may cause unforeseen and/or undesirable consequences, please share your thoughts on the Rules and Standards page. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:20, 4 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Emer's Ghost ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
<br />
Both the cover and OCLC show the author of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3895892 this one] as Sefton and not Waddell. Do you have access to a title page that shows the book credited to Waddell directly? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:21, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
: No, Sefton. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:37, 8 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
: I replaced that submission. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:49, 8 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Ben Shecter ==<br />
<br />
I have approved the addition of Ben Shecter's biographical information and clarified the nature of his theater/film/etc work. I also replaced the link to [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.arts.books.childrens/dGQ9ripbaHA/58gS2iUsWfIJ this Usenet post] with a link to the [http://carriehaddadgallery.com/index.cfm?method=Artist.ArtistDetail&ArtistID=54F43589-19DB-5802-E040D9D389DBFB09 source of Lenona's information]. She posts a lot of useful biobibliographical sketches on Usenet, but her information comes from other sources, which she always credits. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:53, 1 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks. I found the Caddad Gallery page and followed some other links that Lenona provided but I didn't notice any source for "Happy 80th", and thus for the implied birthdate 1935-04-28. Else I would, or should and might, have entered a source URL or two as necessary.<br />
: Concerning the other procedure, Shecter and mis-spelled Shechter, I continue at [[User talk:Ahasuerus#Ben Shecter, Author merge]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:38, 1 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''A Sensational Trance'' ==<br />
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I accepted your edit to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558644 A Sensational Trance], but could you please look again at the note as it appears incomplete. I'm particularly puzzled by "8vo.", and the final word '"Downey' Thanks for checking. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 18:33, 11 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
: done by phone. --Pwendt<br />
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:: Further discussion [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Pwendt#A_Sensational_Trance_-_round_2 below]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:11, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Miss Pickerell and the Weather Satellite'' ==<br />
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I have approved the addition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?678124 this record] and edited the notes data for readability. Hopefully nothing got lost in the process :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:53, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks for your attention. For all three mid-Saturday submissions with that Note to Moderator, "continue on return to library, look for another image", I anticipated that the incomplete submissions would be approved sometime Sunday at latest; I would check against the books, augment or correct as necessary, and format in my usual style, as for the one (of four Miss Pickerell in the Ace series) that is from secondary sources only [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3929957].<br />
: The latter is the only one of all Miss Pickerell in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?80 Archway / Pocket Books] edition (#1 to #12? or more?) for which Amazon US --on that product page defined by ISBN -- provides a cover image of the US issue, apparently 1st printing.<br />
: Now I won't be able to get back to the library copy this fortnight (August vacation looms). I haven't adjusted to the long submission queue, and perhaps I won't need to adjust, if it turns out that other people's August vacation is the primary cause. (In the long shadow of the queue, however, I spent my Sunday time reading wiki pages rather than working here. I was dismayed to learn that Hauck has departed, where I had supposed my own "graduation" to less meticulous or less experienced moderators--supposed that he was continuing to mentor the sophomore class, if you know what I mean.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:29, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: The vacation season is likely one part of the problem since a number of our moderators have been on vacation over the last few weeks. Another part -- and I can only speak for myself here -- is that I find your submissions time-consuming to process, so they tend to stay in the queue longer than other submissions. Your notes are usually well-researched and informative, but they can be hard to parse. Much of the time I am not even sure what they are supposed to mean, so I can't edit them for readability. I realize that you are doing your best and I greatly appreciate the work that you do. Unfortunately, I don't really know how we could improve the process :-( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:49, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''A Sensational Trance'' - round 2 ==<br />
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I have approved your changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558644 this publication] and edited notes for clarity and readability. Could you please clarify "(That is, Crown octavo.)"? Does it mean that "crown 8vo." stands for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavo the Crown octavo book size], i.e. 7½" by 5" (190 mm x 126 mm)? If so, we will want to spell it out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:08, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Little Green Man ==<br />
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Thanks for finding the problem with the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1328301 ''The Little Green Man'']! I am not sure how we ended up with "M'''e'''n" instead of "M'''a'''n", but it was definitely an error. I have checked my copy of Reginald3 and he also says "Man". I have removed all references to the "Men" version.<br />
<br />
I have approved and reorganized your notes for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362069 first edition]. I have a few questions:<br />
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* What does "intended" mean in this context?<br />
* When you write that "The listings in ''Manchester Guardian'' and ''The Academy'' note "[This day.", what exactly does it refer to? Is it the name of the section where the listings appeared?<br />
<br />
Also, I have created a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?678185 new publication record] for the cheaper (3/6) edition and moved the second half of the Notes field there. Hopefully everything looks OK. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:52, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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: It isn't all OK but I don't now have time for any tweaks to the database, nor for whatever reply is appropriate here. It will wait. Thanks for your efforts. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:52, 15 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Tales from Eternity'' publisher ==<br />
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FYI, I found [https://books.google.com/books?id=bJTfAAAAMAAJ&q=tales+from+eternity+allen+unwin&dq=tales+from+eternity+allen+unwin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSqf7etKDeAhVhRN8KHeLfCOEQ6AEITDAF Google Books] shows a snippet with the copyright confirming "George Allen & Unwin Ltd." --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 21:15, 24 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Time Garden ==<br />
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Hello, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394924 this one] is both PV verified and OCLC verified by an active editor(Chavey). Can you drop them a note about the changes you are making (I approved them as they are obvious but as it is a verified book, let's make sure we are not missing something? The old OCLC record was 35301743 (in case we need to restore it). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:22, 16 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Merging Interviews ==<br />
<br />
As long as the names match, the duplicate finder does find them (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_title_dups.cgi?1506768 this]. Are these two the same? If there are more of these, you can use Advanced Search to get them into a mergeable position (or just list them here and I will merge). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:45, 7 December 2018 (EST)<br />
: No others. In effect I merged the other "Go Fish" titles manually, import and remove, which was booked once as ESSAY and once as INTERVIEW. I had expected Aggressive mode to identify the ESSAY and INTERVIEW as author [Natalie Babbitt] duplicates, with identical title and author = interviewee, but it didn't.<br />
: Evidently I have not noticed that Advanced Search enables selection by checkbox. That will be useful sometimes. Thanks.<br />
: (I avoid using the uncredited Author page, and some undated and unknown searches.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:39, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Oh, I recall too expecting that last the two listings at {{a|Alexander Gordon Smith}} would be picked up as author duplicates in Aggressive mode. I quote them, just in case someone else completes the merge:<br />
: Interviews with This Author<br />
:* Go Fish: Questions for the Author: Alexander Gordon Smith (unknown) by uncredited<br />
:* Go Fish: Questions for the Author: Alexander Gordon Smith (2012) by uncredited <br />
: Now I suppose that that fails because he is not the "Author" of the interviews, although they are cleverly appended to his "Author" summary bibliography. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:57, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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:: Interviews are special - they have two authors connected to them. This is why they are not that easily mergeable with other types - so they are treated differently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:21, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Jules Verne ==<br />
<br />
Based on your user page, we may have some overlap in our research. You seem to be focused on the Earth to the Moon volumes (currently) in much detail. My initial goal was simply wanting to enter some Jules Verne books I had. I realized the existing entries did not generally differentiate the translations, so I set out to put the first publication of each in, so mine could be in the right place. Then I realized that most of the French versions weren't there and the English would be the first of any publication. So I dug out the first French publications and realized I couldn't enter them, they were in serial form. So that went in the notes and I found the earliest French editions. That's all done so now I'm going through the titles putting in the first publication of each English translation. Then I'll be able to put my verifiable copies in. <br />
<br />
I've run across a few resources that might be of interest. For example [http://www.julesverne.ca/jvbookSampsonLow.html this] history of the Sampson Low publishers. If you think it's worth comparing notes, it might be easier if you email me directly. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:59, 23 February 2019 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. That info is similar to that Library of Congress provides, citing "Brown, P.A.H. London publishers and printers, c. 1800-1870, c1982", which link[https://lccn.loc.gov/no2008108391] is part of my last hour [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4203099 submission 4203099]. I must be the author of most publisher pages that look like that one, with heavy use of blank lines to format and template {publisher} to link predecessor and successor publishers.<br />
: I am 15 minutes past closing time so let me tonight postpone all matters of ISFDB substance.<br />
: 1. Do I know where to email you? Are you the maintainer of julesverne.ca, compiled from what you have "run across", or is that one of the resources you have "run across"?<br />
: 2. I see that you use U Winnipeg and U Manitoba. Perhaps you have access to ProQuest Historical Newspapers there? That is what I use to search newspapers and magazines, largely from 100+ years ago so that the books are likely to be available at HathiTrust or elsewhere online. <br />
: Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:22, 23 February 2019 (EST)<br />
::Use the "E-mail this user" link in the toolbox on the left from my user page. Include an email address I can reply to, as I'm not sure ISFDB provides one. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:37, 23 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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An interesting source of information based on series publishers available at: [https://seriesofseries.owu.edu/ Ohio Wesleyan University]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:05, 4 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks, Doug. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:46, 4 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of the Supernatural: Six Romantic Stories ==<br />
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Hi, You [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4302413 change the book author] to James Platt, Junior, but leave all stories in the book a by James Platt? Father and son?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:17, 10 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Dirk, There is only one 19th century James Platt likely to be in our database, as far as I know (sometimes credited/named/reported as Junior, Jun., Jr., or the Younger). Yesterday I revised one title to create James Platt (I) {{a|294141}} because I suppose that Letter is contemporary to its 1982 publication. <br />
: As I depart today:<br />
: {{a|James Platt}} (undifferentiated) remains --to be credited as "James Platt, Junior" for the 1894 edition. Because we have latterday publications of the 1894 stories (and one or two for the entire collection) as by James Platt, and more must be expected, that name should be canonical, I understand. <br />
: Today I decided there is no good way to revise the 1894 publication record, so I created [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4302846 Pending New Publication Submission 4302846], which generates new COLLECTION titles and 6 new SHORTFICTION titles. And I prepared to make 6 variants by specifying the matching short story length.<br />
: '''The submission that you have on hold''' may be canceled. I suppose it should be retained for your reference, so I do not try "Cancel submission" --which may or may not be technically permitted during "Hold", as far as I know. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:53, 11 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Old-Fashioned Fairy Tales ==<br />
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Project Gutenberg works (like any other work) should be credited per their title page, not by how Project Gutenberg indexes the author. I have approved the entry of {{P|721813|Old-Fashioned Fairy Tales}}, but changed the author credit to Juliana Horatia Ewing. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:47, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: Project Gutenberg does index this author as JHGE [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/1803] [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/15592]. I don't rely on the index here (nor elsewhere), however, but on the header in which PG reports <br />
Title: Old-Fashioned Fairy Tales<br />
Author: Juliana Horatia Gatty Ewing<br />
Release Date: April 9, 2005 [eBook #15592]<br />
: Before going further here, do you mean to rely on PG representation of the title page of its source text? Is that interpretation somewhere stated at ISFDB.org? It implies that publisher, publication date, and catalog ID are unstated in all PG ebooks, afaik. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:35, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::We credit '''authors''' per the title page. We don't credit per a header, copyright page, or other front material. We credit per the title page. That applies for all publications. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:01, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks but no thanks. The question is whether we have some consensus to consider Gutenberg representation of the original title page as title page of the ebook. It seems akin to the facsimile of original publisher's title page that many reissues contain.<br />
::: We have many publication records that take Author, Title, Date, and publisher all from the top lines of the Project Gutenberg publication. So I am asking whether we have a consensus. (I know of course that both interpretations are commonly followed.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:23, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::ISFDB standards are straight forward. We credit per the title page. Whether the title page is a facsimile or a transcription is irrelevant. Ebooks (including Project Gutenberg's) have a clear title page and that is what is used. The top lines of the file are clearly not a title page. Some Project Gutenberg publications (typically older ones, but can also happen with newer ones) do not have a title page in which case the header is all we can go by. But when there is a title page, it is to be used. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:04, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hill-Man and the Housewife / The Hill-man and the House-wife / The Hillman and the Housewife ==<br />
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Hi, I need a lot of more reasons to unvariant these titles as that you are presently giving -none.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:08, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
: As I said, our "one hyphen" canonical title happens to appear in one 2018 publication. The title with no hyphens appears in the undated first collection (1882) and in the collection as first half of undated Works (US), Vol III; [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uc2.ark:/13960/t6j09x02z?urlappend=%3Bseq=22 page 8, 1st series].<br />
: The "one hyphen" 2018 title cannot be relegated to variant in one operation, iiuc; all of its own variants must be undone first. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:35, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Dirk, Maybe you can simply do this essentially "at once". There three edits needed to change the canonical title from one-hyphen to no-hyphen, iiuc.<br />
::* undo no-hyphen as variant of one-hyphen "The Hill-Man and the Housewife"<br />
::* make two-hyphen a variant of no-hyphen, rather than a variant of one-hyphen<br />
::* make one-hyphen a variant of no-hyphen<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:38, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: That rearrangement of canonical/variant relations is complete. The steps listed above make it an overnight (or two) process for me. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:52, 8 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== She and Allan ==<br />
<br />
One of the OCLC numbers you are adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4386462 here] says 19 cm, the other one 22 cm. Which is a substantial difference (and usually indicates book club vs mass edition in some cases). Are you sure these are for the same book? If so, we need to note the difference... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:16, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: I don't yet know much --and nothing about what Library and Archives Canada as an online resource. Two McClelland & Stewart editions are not expected but, yes, let's hold this one. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:46, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: I do not know the publisher (much) but the big difference in size bothers me - it may be a typo from OCLC (a note will fix that) - but it also may be two editions for some reason (we've seen weirder). If you have time (and nothing better to do), maybe look through other books from the same publisher around that time and compare sizes and so on? I will keep it on hold - feel free to cancel it when/if you need to edit or ping me when you have more details. I will also see if I can dig something out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::: OK, I approved it for now (because the rest of the information was good) but pulled out OCLC 1032950781. Once we figure out that size difference, we can readd it (or not). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:18, 5 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Editing notes and so on ==<br />
<br />
About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4392442 this one]. The Tuck verifier is active. So instead of saying "Tuck probably reports", ask them about it so we can actually have the data properly noted. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:46, 8 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: OK. There is no reason to note such variant reports, of secondary sources that are known to be unreliable, or to adopt other conventions reliably, so I will raise the general questions about Tuck; with some of the Macdonald Illustrated Edition for illustration. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:43, 8 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Cuckoo Clock and The Tapestry Room ==<br />
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You will need to redo [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4405200 the import] - it got damaged. I approved the merge of the imterior arts you submitted before that so I suspect that you were trying to import here that ID (and it went away). Sorry -- let me know if you need any assistance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:47, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}} --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:53, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Lagerlöf and others ==<br />
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Please don't forget that the DB started as an English only DB and then got the other languages almost grandfathered (the ones that do not use standard Latin-1 kicking and screaming) :) This is why we miss a lot of non-English books - including the omnibus of Selma Lagerlöf that you mentioned. And while in some languages we have editors that had made a lot of progress in adding books, Swedish is not one of them. If you can find that original publication somewhere, it will be good to have :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:25, 18 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Famous Stories Every Child Should Know ==<br />
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I put your submission for the INTERIORART in this pub on hold. When you refer to an on-line source like you do here, you should make that source reachable from the note by using the following: <a href="here you put the URL for the reference">here you put the name of the source</a>. The result will be a blue copy of the name of the source; when a user clicks on it, he will jump to the reference. You can use this method for items in the ISFDB or outside it. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:55, 1 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: OK. Now I import of that INTERIORART to our record of the 1907 1st ed., which provides a reference for the Note closing, "See that publication record." I expect to rewrite the Note entirely based on a thorough check of library records for early editions. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:15, 2 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::O.K., approved. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:15, 2 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== More Fairy Stories Every Child Should Know ==<br />
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We ended up with two of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_pub_dups.cgi?740648 these]. Are you changing something in of them or do I need to delete one of them? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:53, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: We need to delete one. I repaired HTML and rearranged after viewing the submission. Now I submit DeletePub for the earlier publication. Then its ANTHOLOGY Title may be deleted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:10, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: I was sure I saw something different but then looked again and decided to come ask :) Deleted and the old title was also taken care of. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:20, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Omnibus of only stories ==<br />
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Technically, unless you want to import the Collection titles as well, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?565494 this] should be a collection even if its content was published in a few collections before. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:07, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Probably I will use the short titles of the two collections (only one of which happens to be our canonical title now), where online view of the interior is lacking (maybe not to be determined today). It's a slow process to change Type, with submissions not accepted until others are approved, beyond the usual lags. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:25, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: If you see a moderator around, you can always just explain to them what you are trying to do and they can do the change for you much quicker. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:44, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== A trilogy in five parts ==<br />
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Or in your case "a pentalogy in 6", right? :) Made me smile (in case you do not recognize the reference in the title here, let me know).:) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:08, 30 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Dashes, hyphens and the like ==<br />
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— and - are treated differently in the DB so [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4456641 these] will be variants. Unless you can confirm that they use the first in both place. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:54, 2 November 2019 (EDT)<br />
: I submitted MakeVariant in place of TitleMerge and a simple note our source for the spaced hyphen. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:11, 2 November 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Second Bedside Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Did you mean to add all of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296104 this] in the notes or was part of it for the moderator note? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:14, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: "all of this"<br />
: I am able to add the LC record, evidently the source for the one linked at WorldCat, and improve the wording and format. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:32, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Sorry - I meant some of the wording in the note. The revised version reads a lot more like a permanent note so thanks for fixing it :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:56, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Tales of Laughter: A Third Fairy Book ==<br />
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Can you confirm that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2638560 Wee Robin's Yule-Song] is indeed in Scots and not in English? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:23, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, Annie<br />
: I cannot. For the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?56191 Library of Fairy Literature], I added or completed most of the publications (early eds. and Gutenberg certainly), and associated author/illustrator, publisher, series Notes. No Contents at all. Only the headers of the COLLECTION notes, which I hope(d) to layout with a break as for volume 1 The Fairy Ring T{{t|2628264}}.<br />
: The work on Contents (as some other fairy/folk tale anth/collections) is by Loviatar with coaching by Dirk J Broer (and slightly me) [[User talk:Loviatar#The Fairy Ring]] (now two sections).<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:47, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: So why is it set to Scots? Any idea? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:02, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: None. No advice except check COLLECTION Titles as well as fiction/poem/essay Titles for anything Loviatar may have noted. Nor do I know how far the "Work in progress" has progressed toward "done". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:13, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: P.S. My understanding is that L hopes to confirm or correct the Publisher Notes that are linked in the second bullet point of each COLLECTION Note, as for Tales of Laughter [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t8v980z3w&view=2up&seq=8 Publisher Note 3]; and to identify "all" not so noted by the publishers. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:19, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Dead Love ==<br />
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When you are merging to eliminate the name as in this case, make sure you select an empty parent at the bottom - otherwise you leave a variant pointing to itself and a second edit is needed to remove the loop. :) I did that for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1102665 this one]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:53, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Same for the other 2 :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:54, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: OK. I'll try to remember that. Somehow we broke the variant relation for the one story with a second pseudonym in the database, title T{{t|2498523}} (restoration submitted). Perhaps that merge preserved the low-number ID. I don't recall any warning that the ID potentially to be vacated is in use elsewhere. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:03, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: Oops. Missed that somehow - it was a circle when I broke it (I think). There is no warning because the system assumes you know what you are doing. Maybe we need one for the case where a merge will result in the ID remaining a variant of itself but just in the meantime, just keep an eye for that. If the parent remains one of the two IDs in the merge, it is the wrong ID and needs cleaning; if it is an independent one, you can leave it in place. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:53, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Dream Weavers: Short Stories by the Nineteenth-Century Pre-Raphaelite Poet-Painters ==<br />
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Changed the link and the text [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1306291 here] - pointing to the painting makes more sense than pointing to the page of the myth ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:17, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. I was redirected from "Hylas and the Nymphs" to "Hylas", and didn't notice the bluelink painting title. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:37, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Second set of eyes and all that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:55, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: (edit conflict!) ''Dream Weavers'' stories generally have adequate title notes. I may be done with that anthology, and back to ''Eerie Book'' stories, almost all identified. But done for today as it's Friday and my newspapers subscription shuts its doors. Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:57, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Popular Romances of the West of England ==<br />
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This is a scan of the [https://archive.org/details/popularromanceso00huntuoft 1908] edition of this work, a newer one than [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281664 the 1865 first edition]. Here's a scan of [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32435023303233&view=1up&seq=9 volume 1 (first edition)] and [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044018072785&view=1up&seq=11 volume 2 (first edition)]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:31, 27 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: HI. I have notes on the source anthologies/collections for the 1898 ''Eerie Book'' anthology stories, and I plan to improve some of our Title and Publication records for those sources next week (as well as maybe "adjust" the story title records). Until then I don't have the screen size to look at online digital copies efficiently--and I don't have any historical newspapers subscription at all. <br />
: (on vacation for the US Thanksgiving holiday) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:29, 27 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Ferdinando Eboli ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to "Ferdinando Eboli". That story appears in a verified pub. As such, please coordinate with the approver (Rtrace). I would note that,, by ISFDB standards, ": A Novel" is not included on pub titles when given in the pub. ": A Tale" could be considered similarly, but I'll leave that up to the verifier. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:56, 16 December 2019 (EST)<br />
: That's OK. I did notify Rtrace, as "(pending approval)", and he may take approval for granted in this case. Evidently he is the editor responsible for adding variant story title "Ferdinando Eboli: A Tale" to the database for this work: {{t|98521}}, in its unique publication 1976 under the author's canonical name. I expect he will agree if/when I return to the point, which I postpone. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:14, 17 December 2019 (EST)<br />
: (growing list) Matters to re/raise with Rtrace concerning ''The Keepsake'' vols PV by reference to Google Books.<br />
: [1] publication date; [2] formats, prices; [3] Ferdinando Eboli subtitle p195; [4] Waverly => Waverley thruout; [5] Laird's Jock in the database, shd it be listed here? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:30, 17 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:58, 19 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Eerie Book ==<br />
: ''concerning 1898 anthology The Eerie Book, T{{t|1337014}}; [[User talk:Anniemod#The Eerie Book]] (2019-11)''<br />
Hello, <br />
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I just updated the Eerie Book reprint. There was only 1 correction: "The Mysterious Horseman (excerpt)" is on page 127 and not 131 as TSI apparently reports. That also accounts for the 1 page story that seemed longer here. All stories notes updated as well so we are all good. And based on that, it does seem like a fascimile quite honestly - all the notes for the old edition apply to the new one... Happy New Year! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:05, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
: Happy New Year. It's no facsimile as the page numbers differ. <br />
: All things considered I infer that the entire book has been re-set to accommodate the title leaf as pp. 1/2 and Contents/Acknowledgments leaf as pp. 3/4. Right? <br />
: And you have reported the page numbers listed in the Contents, which are those of the half-title pages (unnumbered, one-side leaves included in the pagination) usually two leaves before the beginnings of the stories. You have three stories not preceded by illustrations (pp. 125, 129, 137, 155) and two illustrations (probably unnumbered one-side leaves) that face story text (pp. 131, 149). Is that right? <br />
: "Each story starts with a title page (with a short title), most stories then have a picture page (with <s>2 empty pages</s> [must be one empty page -Pwendt 0104; ok -0105] between the title page and the image and then the image and the actual title) and then a title on top of each of the stories."<br />
: If I understand correctly, you have "The Masque" beginning on numbered page 173, and it faces the "actual title" printed on the back of the illustration leaf (unnumbered page 172) facing the beginning of the story text. Contrast [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uc2.ark:/13960/t23b5ww3g?urlappend=%3Bseq=176 1898, pp. 170-71 (view at HathiTrust)]. Is your page 173 identical to 1898 page 171 except for the page number? Is the opposite page another story-title page? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:56, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:: All stories start on odd pages, Title pages and images are also always on odd pages. It is academic at this point if it is a facsimile or not. And the note is correct - there are two empty pages between the original title page of the story and the story itself except in the cases where there are no illustrations - the back of the title page and the back of the illustration page are always empty. Anyway - was just letting you know that the notes are now updated on all stories. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:03, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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:: PS: and yes, The text of The Masque starts on page 173 after having an illustration on page 171 and a title page on 169. Pages 170 and 172 are empty - thus the note for 2 empty pages when there is an illustration. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
::: OK, I understand now what you mean by "actual title"; that's the heading at the top of the page where the story begins. And 2 empty pages: one between the title page and the image and one between the image and the actual title.<br />
::: Does the book anywhere note 15 full-page illustrations (as the J. Shiells 1898 title page credits to WBM)?<br />
::: P.S. There are only 14 in the books, with a unique 15th b/w illustration on front cover(1898) or jacket(1981). I had supposed the U California print copy for 1898 images at HathiTrust to have been vandalized, but I now suppose not, and I plan later to complete the 1898 record incorporating that supposition. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:00, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: I've listed the 14 pages where the internal illustrations are and none of them matches the one on the cover. I looked for a 15th based on the old page but seems like it is indeed the cover. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:06, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Night Side of Nature; or, Ghosts and Ghost Seers ==<br />
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Hi, as we have variants of this title, we have just as many variants of the introduction title and of the conclusion title as these should match the title of the publication in which they are printed. Please do not try to simplify all to one title. And why did we have a canonical with date 1848, and was the 1848 edition left out of that?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:00, 16 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Concerning 5 MakeVariant for the work, which you aptly rejected, thanks for catching that. Probably I mixed up the two title ID numbers. It was my purpose to change every one FROM child of our probably spurious parent title TO child of our certainly correct 1st ed. title. I opened the 5 title records and went through the motions of copy-paste the correct title ID into every one; also the Note to Moderator into every one. But I messed up somewhere. <br />
: How can you ask me why we have a probably-spurious canonical title?<br />
: The actual 1848 edition was left out of that set of relationships because I submitted its removal this afternoon, and a few hours later [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4577097 moderator Biomassbob approved]. The Note to Moderator was clear enough. Except for special cases such as this one, however --last hour when (I suppose) you executed 5/6 of the fix as self-moderator-- its rare that any moderator will go further.<br />
: As a contributor I could not submit more than the single un-merge at once; not submit any new MakeVariant. No further until approval. And then at next stage I could submit only 5/6 of the new MakeVariant. (You rejected those 5 correctly, and executed 4 of them yourself (probably). I submitted the last one, this time correctly, moments ago.<br />
: Good night. I am 2 min overtime. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:03, 16 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: Everything should look alright now. I combined the two 1850 records (one the original, the other te Gutenberg facsimile) and added a link to the 1850 Redfield edition for that publication -not in the least to explain the hyphen that suddenly crept up in that publication -and which was long present in its facsimile. I also made both German introductions a variant of the original English one, etc. Please have a look.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:55, 16 February 2020 (EST)<br />
: I agree from memory: German Lang title records name translator so they are transl of Crowe essays presumably .not new essays for German Lang eds.<br />
: today Monday is USA national holiday and I am here without reasonable screen or keyboard today. So my look may be tuesday. --(from phone without tilde)<br />
::: For the 1850 US ed. P{{p|745806}}, it appears that you corrected the user Chavey titles of COLLECTION and all three ESSAY by merger with the corresponding titles that I created for the Gutenberg edition. And in the publication title you inserted one hyphen. I will submit PubUpdate that aligns the publication and collection titles completely {hyphen semicolon comma hyphen} ''and'' adds a note item, This is the source edition for Project Gutenberg Ebook #[linked]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:55, 18 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Our record of the 1st US ed., PV Chavey, continued: Some merge or variant of 1850 shortfiction titles that originate with this record have been executed by other editors this week. Three remain and I now submit their merge with (or submergence to) the correct titles. (drafted 3 hrs ago but they remain in the queue)--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:37, 19 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== [[Jules Verne Translations]] - wiki ==<br />
:: Related links: [[Talk:Jules Verne Translations]] ; [[User:Holmesd]] <br />
I noticed you'd made some updates to the wiki page. I've put it out in public domain for just such updates and appreciate your contributions. Can I make a request though - please don't bury comments in the source unless they pertain to what a wiki editor would want to see while editing that section. If the comment is related to a title, put it in the TITLE record, if it is a notation of work to be done - put it in your work list. I should put something on the philosophy and mechanics in the Discussion page. I've a few odd problems to sort out (e.g. Michel Verne is author but Jules Verne is listed) then I plan to go back through all the entries in the wiki to see if they are still synched to the database and note who owns copies of editions under unspecified translations. <br />
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By the way, the Daniels edition is documented [http://www.julesverne.ca/vernebooks/Sets/jvset-VincentParke.html here] and I hope to get all the Vincent editions done at some point. Having one as a model was as much as that tangent allowed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:24, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: It's good to see Edition d'Amiens documented with images. One of them is adequate to identify many of the books for which HathiTrust provodes interior views. <br />
:: Feel free to remove any hidden comments from that wiki code. I know how to relocate them in the page history if that is useful. <br />
:: I did have in mind that you would see any comments I would leave, as I hurried against deadline at my primary location Wed night, prior to five nights away. I will not contribute much before next Wed, only tidbits that are reasonably efficient without adequate screen display. [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:20, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
: By the way, Gutenberg may be a publisher, but their text should be sourced from an actual prior publication. As such, I would not expect to see any reference to Gutenberg in the wiki page, just as I would not expect to see a TITLE entry in ISFDB with only a Gutenberg entry or one as the earliest entry. Although I should probably use the word 'hope' rather than 'expect'. I'll probably end up making a list for Jules Verne and going back to expand these cases. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:24, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: In the next few days I will do the Gutenberg editions (6) of Baltimore Gun Club stories (3) in the sense of your optimistic hope. That is, complete Gutenberg ebook publication records and undertake parallel coverage of print editions, with ancillary updates.<br />
:: Maybe also Gutenberg editions of Captain Hatteras (3), and the Daniels ''Works of Jules Verne 3'' (contains Hatteras II and the two Moon stories, but does not appear to be a Gutenberg source edition). --21:55, 4 March 2020 (EST)<br />
::: You should probably check out [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Project_Gutenberg_titles_and_dates this] request on the Help forum before going too far with this. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:10, 4 March 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: Thanks. I'm broadly aware of the issues. Did read your yesterday update of publisher Project Gutenberg and considered here addressing the issue of your what you expect .ahem .and hope .optimistic .above.<br />
:::: I'm in USA EST so this is late for me. (no tilde here) --Pwendt 00:10 EST<br />
:::: PS I suspect that Gutenberg use of multiple source editions is not common .often .nowadays. --pwendt 00.19 EST<br />
::::: Sounds like a plan. I'll be verifying/fixing the wiki page vs. the actual titles (testing links, adding notes on number of 'parts', original sub-titles, verifying earliest pub dates). Looks like my biggest problem is all the Fiztroy editions I added. Once that's done (days to weeks) I'll make a list of verified pubs in 'unspecified' translations and get in touch with primary verifiers to see if they can/will update the translator / translation. Maybe then I'll try fixing the "Voyages extraordinaires" series. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:09, 5 March 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::: So you hope for every publication record to contain a statement that identifies the translator (including Unknown translator --and Unknown translation text, altho not for Gutenberg eds.)? ISFDB may be close to a consensus for that. I would support it, meaning that such statements will not be at the option of Primary Verifiers.<br />
:::::: Where the translator is not credited, I would support that any statement such as this, which identifies the grounds, must be accepted. "This is the translation by Doe, credited in its 1874 first publication [link to {p|}], relying on comparison of the first two paragraphs."<br />
:::::: Where Gutenberg does not contain a title page transcript, I have occasionally stated grounds for identifying a source edition, and I'll try to be more than occasional going forward. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:27, 5 March 2020 (EST)<br />
::::::: Ideally, for any PUB record for a translation, it should identify the translator (either because it's stated or by some other means). The associated TITLE record should repeat the information, and explain how to tell in the absence of a direct statement. Editors may feel that putting the PUB under the correct TITLE is sufficient but it does not allow someone to determine if a PUB has been correctly or erroneously placed - which is where I/we find ourselves today. There will always be a potential need for a 'bit-bucket' TITLE, for people entering PUBs without access to the necessary pages or information. Gutenberg PUBs should follow the same rule. My expectation for Gutenberg's never being the <u>oldest</u> PUB is simply because the older edition which it is based on should also be in the database. I have been cleaning up the Jules Verne as best I can, digging out first editions of known translations, standardizing the text in the TITLE entries, chasing down anomalies and creating a single huge cross-reference (wiki). To whatever extent you're willing to help sort this out, I thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:41, 5 March 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Deletion of container titles ==<br />
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Hi, better unmerge a title from a cannonical, than deleting a container title. If you change the publiction title and unmerge afterwards you have created the new title record with the new name automatically.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:44, 18 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
: So you suggest • PubUpdate that includes change of the title field, and let the Container title alone for now (Note to Moderator such as "later handle Title record"). • After the Pubdate is approved, Unmerge. • After the Unmerge is approved (which creates a Title record named for the unmerged Publication), MakeVariant.<br />
: Right?<br />
: And the Container may be a NOVEL such as ''The Paradise of the North'' (with subtitle sometimes).<br />
: For a CHAPBOOK (routinely, whose title should match the contained SHORTFICTION title), the second and third steps would be Unmerge (2) and MakeVariant (2), one each for the CHAPBOOK and SHORTFICTION. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:10, 18 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wonderful History of Peter Schlemihl ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?767507 This] does not look long enough to be a novel and we have quite a lot of editions of it as a short fiction: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1566992 here]. Which will make this whole book a collection (more than one story so cannot be a chapbook). Let me know if you want me to fix it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:46, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't recall whether a re-class from NOVEL has been executed in the database recently, as I have largely missed much of the last week as a contributor. I added several publs this season. I do call it a novella in all notes, most of which are now offline.<br />
: Please accept all submissions as CHAPBOOK --no COLLECTION nor ANTHOLOGY-- despite that most publs include some "short story" contents by the primary author and others --fictitious essays, etc, by the author and one or more editors. That is, same as dozens of editions currently indb.<br />
: I'm not sure what you can do about correction of a submitted NOVEL (and now another one) as CHAPBOOK containing novella. One priority for me is to lose little or no source code, as some is composed with pains online. <br />
: Another New Novel submission based on the same work is in the queue. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:11, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I fixed this one to a chapbook (for now... if the other poems/stories are technically inside, it is fine as a chapbook) :) I also approved and fixed the other one as well. See if anything else needs fixing. It may be a good idea to check the type when you are returning to a project :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:41, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks for the fix. Yes, it's best to check type when returning to a work, and also when adding a new work :--)<br />
::: What do you mean, "other poems/stories are technically inside"?<br />
::: (Truncate and re-try hours later.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:36, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Argh. I was thinking of another chapbook earlier that had poems inside of the main novella but listed on their own for indexing. Ignore that part. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:42, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wreck of the Titan ==<br />
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Please remember that we credit based on the title page and not based on the cover. Neither edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2713213 here] (the 2020 reprints) have the subtitle on their title page (Look inside is pretty helpful on that). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:22, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
: They do display the subtitle on the title page, as well as the front cover. The interior title page (sometimes called half-title, but it follows the title page and other front material). What you have in mind is that as a single-story collection, rather than a novel, we may (and frequently do) create CHAPBOOK and novella SHORTFICTION records with different titles.<br />
: While that is permitted, it's something that some moderators do not approve. Shall I resubmit PubUpdates with subtitle added to the publication and CHAPBOOK alone, and leave the novella without the subtitle? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:32, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: No, I am not. Please show me where do you see the subtitle on a title page - because ANY internal page I see misses it - particularly obvious on the kindle book. We go by title page, not by cover. This subtitle is not printed anywhere inside of the book - so it does not make it on our title. If you disagree, feel free to open a discussion on R&S. Please do not resubmit incorrect corrections. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:44, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Never mind - apparently I need coffee or a better mouse. I will fix them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:46, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A Story of the Stone Age ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4627292 this one] - is that story a novella or a novelette? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:16, 21 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Novella, as Project Gutenberg text of 22730 words inclg headings. ([http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27365/27365-h/27365-h.htm#Page_59 Ebook #27365], Tales of Space and Time, by Herbert George Wells) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:11, 21 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! I fixed the 2 novelettes and approved the variant and added an approximate length note :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:19, 21 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) After [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4627020 this edit], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57475 A Story of the Stone Age] now shows up on the cleanup report 'Title Dates after Publication Dates'. The note says it was first published under this title November 1927, but the first 6 publications (3x Tales of Space and Time and 3x The Short Stories of H. G. Wells) have publication dates before this date. Which is true? Thanks for checking. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 09:15, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks. Singular title "A Story", revised from "Stories", appears in the 1899-dated Doubleday & McClure collection ([https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015030719671?urlappend=%3Bseq=11 Contents list] viewed at HathiTrust). The Harper collection is 1900-dated.<br />
: (I haven't read the novella, or 5 stories, and don't know whether it/they should be considered a novella here, rather than a subcollection of 5 stories. Wells calls "A Story" and "A Story" (see Contents list), "two series of linked incidents" in Introduction to a 1911 collection.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:45, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::That means I can change the date to 1899-00-00 and add a note about first publication in the Doubleday & McClure collection? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:13, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Hi, Willem. I have submitted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4628649 TitleUpdate] as I would do it, with note "(best hold for Willem H.)" I am working on the collection, publications 1899/1900 and Project Gutenberg; my TitleUpdate notes, in advance, "Concerning the stated and actual publication dates, see the collection record." <br />
::: Let me tell you what I know. You tell me, or show me, how you would revise the variant-story-Title record on these points.<br />
::: From newspaper/magazine sources November/December 1899: Certainly the UK edition (Harper & Brothers, 1900-dated) was published before the US (Doubleday & McClure, 1899-dated). Early November. I plan to expand the two publication records as 1900 (Harper, with note of its November 1899 publication) and 1899-11 (D & McC, with note that the source for November is only a listing as received by 1899-11-30). <br />
::: There are multiple UK reviews in Saturday weeklies -11-11 and numerous reviews -11-11 to -12-02. (Known US reviews in daily newspapers -12-03 and -12-16.) Harper/UK advertisements of new/forthcoming books during October note this one "In the Press". 1899-11-04 advertisement notes "Ready This Week". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:05, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Almost exactly as I would have done it. Thanks! and approved. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:15, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Time Machine: An Invention: Authoritative Text, Backgrounds and Contexts, Criticism ==<br />
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Are you sure that the title page of the NOVEL (not the full book) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327847 here] is really " The Time Machine: An Invention: Authoritative Text, Backgrounds and Contexts, Criticism" and not "The Time Machine: An Invention: Authoritative Text" or "The Time Machine: An Invention" or "The Time Machine"? I have no trouble with the book title but in none of the Nortons I have, the text of the novel itself has the complete title of the book on its first/title page. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
: (I'm not sure what I submitted. I don't recall that I did change the title of the novel Title; I may have done so because I understand that our rules require it, so long as we book The Time Machine as a novel --and the publication as a novel, because it contains no other novel.)<br />
: On the contrary, I doubt that the work appears with the long title inside the book. However, for publications that we classify as novels, we require a match of publication title and work title. So a book like Annotated Wizard of Oz, Definitive Frankenstein, and so on --supposing we book the main work as a novel-- requires a new and matching NOVEL title record. We always ignore the interior title page, or heading, of the one work in the novel publication that we classify as a novel. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:35, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Not if the title page does not carry the matching title - and especially in cases with subtitles. We see that a lot more with NON-FICTION where US and UK tend to use different subtitles - so we have two ways to handle - subtitle-less title with pub titles having their subtitles or variants (I vastly prefer the first approach...). In this case, the "we record as on the title page" comes into play -- and because it will differ only by subtitle, it is not even a weird case. Annotated and Definitive are different because the title is not changed with a subtitle. Differences because of subtitles does not even register for the "different pub and title" report exactly for that reason. My gut feeling here is that we can drop the subtitle on the novel to match what is on the title page and we are good to go but let me think a bit more on that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:56, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Considering the reported Contents titles and the publisher description at Amazon, the novel should be presented in the book as "The Text of <i>The Time Machine</i>". More completely, pp ix-x should be in the arabic numbered pagespan (pages -1 and 0) with the preceding leaf a title page for the first main section of the book as "Authoritative Text". That is, in the format of our publication record (from the previous contributor, perhaps Fixer's assistant, modified by me):<br />
:: -3 — Authoritative Text [title page, first main section]<br />
:: -1 - A Note on the Text [essay by Arata under this heading]<br />
:: 1 - The Text of The Time Machine [novel by Wells begins under this heading, or following this interior title page for the novel]<br />
::: The cited WorldCat record [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/181139351 OCLC: 181139351] provides an ample Contents list, perhaps from the book rather than pre-publication. While the actual pagination shows that "A Note on the Text" and "The Text of ''The Time Machine''" are not clearly presented as the two sections in the first major section Authoritative Text, nevertheless "The Text of ''The Time Machine''" is my best guess for the interior name of the text of the novel. (Certainly I expected that any heading for the novel would include "An Invention", but I now guess that it doesn't.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:58, 30 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: I would just make it "The Time Machine" quite honestly. We skip things like "A Novel" and so on. "The Text of" goes into the same category for me. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:44, 1 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Stolen Bacillus and Other Incidents ==<br />
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Hello. Just checking that you presume March 1896, instead of the 1986 currently in the notes of your submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4636649 here]? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:40, 4 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Good catch. I will restrain the urge to say a lot and say only a little. That is one of the User:Bluesman notes. I skimmed but didn't read.<br />
: Maybe more than a little. The cited WorldCat record notes "... at end dated March 1896." I would have supposed that at least so much would have beeen transferred to ISFDB by copy-paste, but I would have supposed wrong. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:44, 4 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for confirming :) I've accepted, and leave it to you to update the notes as you see fit ! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:19, 4 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Picture of Dorian Gray - Gold Mark symbol? ==<br />
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Hello. I've put your submission on hold for a moment, as I've posted a question over at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#German_Gold_Mark_standard_symbol.3F Rules and Standards Discussion] on which symbol to use for the Gold Mark. Thanks for your patience, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:29, 5 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: OK. I will refrain from more such. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:03, 5 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. I'll proceed with ℳ1.60 and ℳ3.20; also replace M with ℳ where I see it in use for pre-war Tauchnitz Editions. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:04, 8 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== LCCN formats ==<br />
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Both the long (07004758) and the short (07-4758) formats lead to the same place on LCCN so we do not enforce the usage of one over the other. Swapping for the one you prefer (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?569774 here] may lead to someone swapping in the other direction -- so careful with that. I approved it because of all the other changes but heads up - especially in books with verifiers (as this one had none, I just approved it) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:06, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Ok. I know from Rtrace that he entered leading zeroes in field External IDs by mistake for a while, before learning that that field handles the hyphen just as manual hyperlinks do. But I don't know that of anyone else. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:17, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Red Room and Other Stories ==<br />
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I removed all without page numbers from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359854 here] as per your note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4659809 here] - it would have caused quite a lot of alerts in the cleanup reports if I had left it this way. While this worked, in case you need 22 items, adding that many and then cleaning may not be the best way to do things - importing only the correct essays and stories would have made more sense - and would have been less likely to have been forgotten downstream. I think it is all cleaned up now but take another look again anyway. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:27, 24 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Excerpts naming ==<br />
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I approved your rename of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?97318 this one] so I can catch the note (it was reject + edit or approve + edit so it did not matter). When the excerpt has its own name, we add the notes of what it is an excerpt of in the notes, not in the title. You can add them both in the title note and the publication note if you want to but the title of the record should be as close to "as is" as we can. We don't even add the word excerpt if the excerpt has its own name. Thanks![[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:17, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: "(excerpt)" alone should of course mean that the name is unchanged --although that sensible convention is commonly breached. The convention you note is either a new one or another that is commonly breached.<br />
: If I think clearly at this late hour, on the convention you describe all 447 titles that contain "(excerpt from" and all 18 that contain "(extract from" are violations. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:04, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: It is an old rule - how strict we enforce it is a different story... We generally do not add any embellishments/disambiguations to a title unless the title as printed is confusing or unclear - thus adding excerpt on the ones where the title match or adding the book name on Introductions and adding part x of y on serials. In the cases where the name is unique, we go by what the book says. <br />
:: Not necessarily for the 447+18 titles - if the title page of the story in the book has the words "excerpt of...", the record here will have it as well. A lot of books note this on the contents/title pages so chances are that a lot of these are actually in policy. But yes - some will be against the rules. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:29, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: If the story heading (or title page in some cases, Contents list in some cases) is "Magic Circle (excerpt)" or "Magic Mirror (abridged)" then our title should use capital E or A. <br />
:::: Technically - yes. But we have a lot of capitalization issues in the DB :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: You suggest to me another class of listings that is on my someday list (ask about this someday). Where a listing/heading is such as "''from'' Magic Circle" or "excerpt from ''Magic Circle''" or "Extract of 'Magic Circle'" --rather than appended parentheses-- do we now recommend "Magic Circle (excerpt)"? If so then story titles that begin with lowercase "from" are deprecated, to be replaced someday? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:14, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: If the book uses a specific name, we use that name. <br />
:::: The exact section from the help page relevant here is "If the excerpt has a different title that the work from which it is excerpted, use that title. Otherwise, use the title of the excerpted work, but add " (excerpt)" to the end; e.g. "A Feast for Crows (excerpt)".". So if the title in the book is "Extract of 'Magic Circle'", we use that. If the title in the book is 'Magic Circle', then we add (excerpt). Same rule as with Introductions - you add the book name only if the generic title is used. If the book has the title as "Introduction: Some Other Text", we keep the title as is. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: And yeah - technically a story name cannot start with a small letter... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Author language ==<br />
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When you find a pseudonym like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?312712 this one], it will be a good idea to also add the language to the pseudonym to match its parent. I did it here but thought I should mention it. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:33, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Yes you should. I wasn't aware that we complete any field but "Directory Entry". Was English entered by default as my default language? or the language of the work in which illustration as by Alvin-Correa was published? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:54, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep - if your default language is English and you save the page, English is assigned. In this case as you just did a pseudonym and never saved the page, it had no language - so I just added it. It was not wrongly set - it was just empty. A few years ago we went through figuring out the languages of every title in the DB -- we still have a lot of authors with no language - so I tend to try to set them when I land on one without. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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COVERART by this artist Henrique Alvim Corrêa {{a|205286}}:<br />
: For this artist we now have 8? COVERART --reporting use of 4? different 1906 interior illustrations on 21st century book covers-- now booked as variants of the original INTERIORART (multiple illustrations of 1906 French-language The War of the Worlds). If I recall correctly, that relation should be stated in COVERART notes, with one parent COVERART for each of the distinct original interior illustrations used on a cover, date of the earliest known use on a cover (regardless whether that earliest book is an edition of The War of the Worlds; one of the earliest uses is not).<br />
: If I understand correctly, it's necessary to break each of these variant relations as a first step (top half of "Make Variant Title"), only later as a second step (second Make Variant Title) create new parent COVERART as by Henrique Alvim Corrêa where appropriate. '''So I submit a batch of "break variant", as it were.'''<br />
: --probably done for the day, as it's late here and I need to eat. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:54, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I need to reread the first part of the question later because I am not sure I get it. Interiorart CAN be a parent if this is what was used first. <br />
:: However, you do not need to first break a variant when changing parents - the moment you submit a new makeVariant, it will replace the old value so you do not need to remove first. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Macmillan Company ==<br />
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Hello. I have some difficulty parsing your updated notes on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?27541 The Macmillan Company].<br />
*The notes now state, in part, ''June 1896 to mid-20th century''. This seems to contradict the note ''The Macmillan Company, ... now carried on by Macmillan & Co ... The Independent ... (1896-02-28)'' which to me means to say that The Macmillan Company as name ceased to exist in 1896, and thus, in fact, did '''not''' carry on till mid-20th century.<br />
: No, 'The MacMillan Company' is just now incorporated in New York. That report date is 1896-05-28 (in some New York publication 'The Independent', I am sure, not the famous newspaper 'The Independent'). I gloss over unknown daily details and suppose that The Macmillan Company, newly incorporated in New York probably sometime late May 1896, should be the publisher of record from June 1896.<br />
*The statement '' ...report macmillan and Co. for US editions published by the Macmillans to 1896.'' Does that mean to say that for US editions published by the Macmillans ''''after'''' 1896 have to be reported under Macmillan and Co.?<br />
Thanks for clarifying. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:53, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: No, it means through May 1896, glossing over the unknown daily details.<br />
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: I have considered a thorough re-write of publisher Notes for The Macmillan Company (US, from May/June 1896) and Macmillan and Co. (unitary to May/Jun 1896). The old notes by the one who shouts 'DO NOT MERGE' have become less relevant, and it may be possible to eliminate these two, for the two earlier of four Macmillan publisher names that have been used heavily. Your note makes me think the time to rewrite is now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:53, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I don't have much time Tuesdays. I expect I will submit no more, and maybe less, than continuation on the four works whose publication records you approved just before this publisher update. --<br />
::: Please do! You're much more knowledgeable than I in these things :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 00:58, 10 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: I will try improve the situation today; far short of completion, or what I had hoped in early June, because it's so complicated. Unfortunately there is no consistent practice such as: name New York first on the title page if the printer is in the United States.<br />
:::: As I also vowed to Rtrace, i need to get back to other incomplete work here, and withdraw from focus on century old Macmillan publications, after the Ides of June [today, if that's Greek to you]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:14, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of the Masque ==<br />
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In Your submitted collection [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?778464 here] there is a link "title page" that leads to nothing. Can You please make a correction? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 03:44, 14 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Submitted. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:50, 14 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: HI. I hope you, or we, are not generally using the new "Webpages" field to replace curated links in the Notes. Is this a one-time thing or a general effort? (I have also asked moderator Rtrace about this.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:35, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: It is still the same link though - it is not a generic link to the site. Or is your complaint that it is not embedded anymore? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:53, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: [1] It's a generic linkname "Webpages" and [1b] buried in the top part of the page (albeit blue ink helps). A meaningful linkname "Title page view" would be acceptable there, altho the note should then be revised, eg "title page" => "title page (above)"<br />
::: [2] It removes context --altho I don't know that would be done generally.<br />
::: (Commonly I do link the title page simply, as Zapp zapped here. Commonly the note is substantial, as title page: "Lawrence and Bullen". I don't know why I didn't say that here, as I was at work (not yet complete) unifying our use of publisher name "Lawrence & Bullen".) <br />
::: [0] It is a Permanent Link, a redirect to the babel address of the title page image. ISFDB should always use URL promoted as Permanent, eh? So we should always link hdl.handle.net rather than babel.hathitrust.org right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:12, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: '''P.S.''' Annie or Zapp. I submitted an update that restores and amplifies the Note; also does preserve the use of the Webpages field (with a Permanent Link as its URL value)--for those who may be harvesting or otherwise relying auto-maton-ically on its use. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:15, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: So we have a few different problems here:<br />
::::* The link was not just moved but replaced. That you will need to take up with Zapp - he is usually good at just moving links so not sure what happened here. Chances are that we have a Europe/US thing going on again and there was a problem with the other link from his side?<br />
::::* The notes left behind were not adjusted for the moved link -- that I am with you on -- if a link/ID is moved, the notes around it need to be adjusted so the flow and meaning of the notes is not lost. However - your notes, while very detailed, can be extremely hard to parse and understand sometimes (even when one is used to them) so chances are that people do not see some links as vital to the structure - especially when they were on their own on a line. Which may explain what happened here.<br />
:::: Part of why we have the webpages on publications now is to minimize the links (and heavy html) in notes and to make it easier for non-technical editors to edit - you may be comfortable with html but not everyone is. :) Some links will need to stay (because they illustrate a point and do not really work as a link for the whole publication) but a link to a version of the publication certainly belongs to the links (even if you point just to the title page, it is effectively a link to the complete text). <br />
:::: The Web Pages collect all kinds of links - the same way the ones on the author level does -- it can be full text reproductions, it can be sources which do not have external IDs, it can be the publisher page for the book, it can be anything else. If you have a proposal to allow each link to also have a "label", propose it over in the Community forum... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:30, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::: (after edit conflict) I believe the current practice is to move the URLs linking to data sources from the notes into the Webpages multifield, when encountered (without altering the notes' meaning, of course, and clearly referring to the webpages field - akin to what you're proposing ie ''see title page (above)'', or similar). I do use it myself because I find it very handy - all links in the same place, not cluttering the notes. The tooltip help also says ''URL of a web site about this publication'' (not the work), so I think the link -does- belong there. I agree that the update by Zapp could be more precise, but as far as I'm concerned, and apart from that minor hiccup, not wrong. Now because English is not my mother tongue I may have misunderstood, but to me al this means the webpages field could/should be used to include all kinds of links to information about this particular publication. If you feel we're moving in the wrong direction with this field, it might be best to perhaps start a discussion over at the Community Portal (or R&S) to clarify its use? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:35, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Ugh, should have read Annie's reply firts - it looks I'm rehashing her arguments... [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:36, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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* Title page is always so important here (officially) --and images of commonly important facing page and verso ("copyright page") routinely easy to access from a title page image-- that it's hard to understand why we would dump a link to that one into the potpourri.<br />
: You are looking at it in the reverse. It is not that we want to dump it in the mix of other links; it is that when it is inside of the notes, it is very very hard for non-technical editors to fix anything even when they have a correction. If you want the title pages to be specifially linked somewhere (when available), propose that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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* Are we now using the publication Webpages field for linking to Project Gutenberg Ebooks (either top pages, as in the link that is buried by default down in the left margin of Publication view, or HTML views directly)? I expect that that would be a great help to casual users of the site, as opposed to we accomplished editors in our occasional visits as users. No doubt Amazon would be useful to many casual users too, and newer editors. <br />
: '''No because Project Gutenberg books are considered separate publications in the DB - so linking them from the hc book is simply wrong.''' They get automatically linked from the left menu when you go to their respective publications. Archive.org and similar pure digitization non-OCR projects are a different matter - those are linked from the publication page indeed as they give you the "book" and not just the text. Feel free to reopen the discussion on Gutenberg if you want... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: (emphasis added) No, no, I mean use the new "Webpages" field, in our publication record of the Gutenberg ebook, rather than rely on a link named "Project Gutenberg" that is buried down in the left margin of the browser window, outside of the publication records display. As we display Amazon links that generated by value of ISBN field, rather than ASIN field, in the left margin outside of the browser window. <br />
:: Thanks for your replies. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:40, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Ah, sorry, apparently I misread or misunderstood the question. No - the old rules apply - if we already have a link on the left side deriving from the same value or as an external ID, we do not add it to the web pages as well. We need to make these links on the left more prominent especially for Gutenberg books but... not sure how and where to stick them. <br />
::: The Amazon left side links uses an ASIN link to Amazon actually - via the ISBN. So for all 978- ISBNs it works as a charm; so it does for any paper book with ISBN10. The newer books with ISBN-13 starting with 979? Not so much - and for them instead of ISBN10 as an ASIN (which cannot be calculate), Amazon adds B* ASINS - so we record these as ASIN. :) And the ebooks ISBN links don't lead where you want them to. So if Amazon issues an ASIN starting with B, we record that separately, regardless if there is an ISBN; if it does not, then the ASIN is the same as ISBN10 so we have that covered. Always fun when our links change their behaviour... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:51, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
(aside) I wonder whether this was my first edit conflict at "home"? I haven't had much traffic here since Mhhutchins completed the mentoring. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:09, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I suspect it has more to do with most editors being too scared of your notes to edit them :) More seriously though - you tend to work in areas that almost noone else touches and you tend to clean your links -- which rarely leaves work for someone else on these records. I had been here a few times for clarifications but most of the times your notes are clean enough. It is a community project and the only way for it to work is to discuss things. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
Sorry, I noticed this discussion not earlier as now. My English not so fluent to understand all of Your writings exactly. But I didn't want to upset anybody. Thinking about I should have put the webpage link redirecting to the beginning of the scan [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t1pg1wv9s&view=1up&seq=1 here] since the title page was alredy linked in notes. I guess it is useful to find a scanned publication in total using this link or to have an alternative external ID there when there is no one preset. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 15:36, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Hi Zapp. OK. AnnieMod and MagicUnk provided me good explanations. I have a followup at your page. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 19 June 2020 (EDT) ... Done. <br />
:: Concerning the '''link to title page image in Notes''' [1] Sometimes I do fashion that as "-- <u>title page</u>" alone on one line. Probably I shouldn't, because that may invite removal. For the 1st ed. ''Tales of the Masque'' P{{p|778464}}, since your first visit I have extended that line with "red and black, as "Lawrence and Bullen" (commonly '&') with Bull logo". [2] If you do remove the link, it's best to leave unlinked text in the Notes with instruction, such as "title page (linked above)", rather than to delete the former linkname. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Laurence Alma Tadema ==<br />
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{{A|Laurence Alma-Tadema}} currently contains no credits under that name (with the dash). Will you be adding any? If not, instead of establishing an alternate name for {{A|Laurence Alma Tadema}} (without the dash), I will make that the canonical name. The canonical name should a form that was published. The "true" name would go into the legal name field. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:49, 21 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I composed, then deleted, a long Note to Moderator --MagicUnk anticipated-- either here, or AuthorUpdate, or when submitting the publication Note for the 2015 ebook P{{p|779904}} (see the last bullet point).<br />
: It occurs to me that I should check (? Contento and/or Locus) for the three 2010s publications. ...<br />
: JLT, I think you should hold overnight. FWIW below is what I composed/drafted early this hour :--) before moving up here. ('FWIW' doesn't mean you need to read it.) I need exercise and food break, maybe can't get back today (Sunday here). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:22, 21 June 2020 (EDT) <br />
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: I consider Laurence Alma Tadema the better choice. Certainly she <br />
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: I don't know that Alma-Tadema is a legal name, only that it is the canonical name of the writer here and there, and the canonical name of her father the visual artist here and there. Of course our Legal Name field is full of such.<br />
: I do not have a confirmed publication as by Laurence Alma-Tadema. Nor do we/I have a confirmed publication as by "L. Alma-Tadema", whose report I believe spurious. Among 5 publications of the work/story in 5 publications of the 1886 anthology, this is the only confirmed name-as-credited. <br />
: Publication as Laurence Alma-Tadema is not unlikely in the three 2010s publications of the anthology by Leonaur Ltd. Unfortunately the two ISBN are not found at WorldCat and "Look inside" the 2015 ebook does not resolve<br />
* '''"The Contents list comprises linked story titles and story section numbers, no author names. There is no opening essay. Editor Henry Norman, and authors of the opening poem and first story, are credited here as in the 1886 US edition. There may be differences elsewhere."'''<br />
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::I merged them together under {{A|Laurence Alma Tadema}}. If you find publications with alternate credits, we can revisit. But for now, we will make due based on the credits we have in the database at the moment. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:40, 22 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Good! I check in 24 hours later to ask you to go ahead.<br />
::: I much prefer "Laurence Alma Tadema" myself, but that would be true even if 2010s publishers were hyphenating that name. And even if "L. Alma-Tadema" were confirmed genuine rather than spurious. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:58, 22 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Note to self ==<br />
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created 2022-03-23 23:46 [EDT]<br />
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Exceptionally complex "Note [singular] to self" : cut-paste as new [[User:Pwendt/comeback]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:08, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Readers union HTML issue ==<br />
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Hi. I approved the submissions & saw the problem but left it for the morning to figure out when less tired. Fixed now[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?50412]. Noted solution on moderator board, simple but not immediately obvious.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 11:30, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Book of Lamps and Banners ==<br />
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I don't see that you are changing anything with this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5303231 submission]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:57, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: The queue is a bit long. I corrected some UK publ from Mulholland Books / Little, Brown and Company but one PVerified book was a leftover. In reply to my notice (another problem too) verifier merged the publishers, he explains [[User:Willem H.#The Revisionists]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:22, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I understand, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:42, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kiki Strike books ==<br />
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"Kiki Strike" is the series, so while it may appear on the title page, it's not actually part of the title. It's not uncommon to include the series title on the title page with the book title. I've rejected these submissions: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337912 The Empress's Tomb] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337933 Inside the Shadow City]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:42, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Book 2 ''The Empress's Tomb'' in UK softcover, I improved and resubmitted, now in the queue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5348988]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:37, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Same for Book 1 ''Inside the Shadow City'' in US softcover reissue, now in the queue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350597]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:17, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Eerie Book (2) ==<br />
: ''directly concerning the 1981 Castle Books edition''; cf. [[#The Eerie Book]]<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?487344; I replaced the cover that I believe you added because it's clearly the same cover, but the one I used was less faded and didn't have a time stamp on the bottom. Then a PV wrote an extra note today about the "showed" cover (I think they meant "shown") possibly not being the correct cover because it was added post-PV. So can you verify it's the same (which it clearly is by looking at it) so that note can be removed? --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:05, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Hi. 2020 PV Anniemod (and moderator for my work on the 1898 edition, who cooperated on the title records) has pursued the matter further. Related: I revised the heading and inserted a cross-reference, above.<br />
: Do you have Internet Archive subscription to make use of publication links for full interior views of all(?) books at Archive.org? <br />
: In effect, I am away for ten days, thru this weekend.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:13, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Don't bother; it's a dumb discussion about some supposed cover color difference which doesn't actually exist. The important thing is I've added a link to the Archive's copy of the 1981 reprint edition, because the Archive's copies of the original 1898 edition have the library stamp hole-punched through most of the illustrations, making them useless for printing out, while the reprint's illustrations are untouched. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:04, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Doll Who Came Alive ==<br />
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You wrote extensive notes for this book in 2017, for 1942 and 1972 editions, with a lot of questions about dates and such, and I just saw that someone uploaded a copy to Archive.org in 2020, https://archive.org/details/dollwhocamealive0000treg, which is a 4th printing/impression, in case that helps you to clear up any questions and add/fix info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:10, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks! Now what is that once-used Archive.org password? :--( <br />
: Linknotes to Self: Editor {{a|Elizabeth Yates}} <br />
: Editions (1st pr) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?612880 as 1942-09-17] (no image) (LO, Kirkus, newspapers, ABEbooks w/images) <br />
: 2nd ed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?612914 as 1972-08] (front cover) (LO, Kirkus[again], Amazon --dnf newspapers)<br />
: Archive.org [https://archive.org/details/dollwhocamealive0000treg/page/n1/mode/2up 1942 ed, 4th printing] i1 front jacket [signed 'NSU'] w/flap; i83 back jacket<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:51, 26 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== An Enemy at Green Knowe ==<br />
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Hi Pwendt<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5390921 submission] to clone this book to add a new publication record for a 1977-05-31 Puffin printing. There is already an existing 1977 Puffin [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260813 publication record], that seems like it may be the record you are attempting to add. Do you have evidence that Puffin did two printings in 1977? If not, you should update the existing record rather than create a new one. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:13, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Ron, you are right. 1977 Puffin update is now in the queue as 5394619 5394620 (two).<br />
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== Title and publication date alignment ==<br />
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Just a reminder. Don't forget that when you update the publication date, you also have to submit the update of the title dates in the Contents section accordingly. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:32, 31 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Did I overlook some Publication Update that predates one of its Title records? That would have been my oversight. <br />
: I suppose we continue to accept title date such as 1968-00-00 with publication date such as 1968-09-16. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:34, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Missing country ==<br />
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Just a gentle reminder that we are an international site so "Raised in Rochester, New York" should be "Raised in Rochester, New York, USA" :) I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5642 here] but do not forget to add the country when adding cities and other locations. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:10, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Is that reasonable even for New York and England?<br />
: New York City and London are common on our publisher pages, without even identifying New York and England. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:20, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: There are a lot of Londons [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_(disambiguation) out there]. There are also quite a lot of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York#Places New Yorks]. If we allow an exception for one language/2 countries, we will need to do it for others as well and it will end up in a convoluted set of rules. So let's keep it simple and not make exceptions and just always list the country. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:34, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: PS: Just because the practice is not always followed (especially in the past) does not mean that we cannot do better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:35, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dolittle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295530; I added/fixed stuff for this recently; it was just approved and then the mod wrote me to say that the note about corrupt record should be removed now, but since it seems you're the one that wrote it I'll leave it up to you to decide whether to do that, since I'm not sure what it means or whether it's still relevant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:31, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: By the way, it's "Dolittle" as in Doctor, Do Little.<br />
: Thanks, I will do that. From the record I see that you corrected imprint, page count, caps & spelling; not price. Newly you provided Image, Webpage, month from t.p. verso (as you Noted), and *US price from front cover* (Image). Is that right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:40, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: That's right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:14, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Literary Wonderlands ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5461654; I made some minor fixes and added the Archive link, which may help you flesh out your work on this book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:34, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== B Magical ==<br />
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I'm holding your 6 submissions re: the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29524 B Magical] series. I understand what you want to do. The most efficient way is as follows.<br />
# Make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?147723 Lexi Connor] an alternate name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?126269 Julie Berry].<br />
# These two submissions are fine [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5450459 The Chocolate Meltdown] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5450467 The Superstar Sister].<br />
# Cancel the fours submissions breaking the variant relationship in the other four titles. Just edit each of the existing parent titles. Change the author to Julie Berry & correct the title.<br />
If we break the variants as you submitted, we will need to delete the 4 empty parent title records and then create four new parent titles. Does this make sense? If you agree, do step 1 and 3, post here and I will process all seven edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:46, 22 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: But we need 10 variant titles as by Lexi Connor, right? Six under the canonical-title and four under alt-titles. The six and the four all need to be variants, as by Lexi Connor, of NOVEL parents by Julie Berry that have no publications. <br />
: That is, I am following the previous approach, without questioning it. You suggest that previous editors should not have created parents with <i>Spelling B</i> book titles, unless willing to do the work of adding those presumable first editions to the database? (I didn't notice last fortnight that we have 4 of 10 NOVEL records with no publications in the database; simply undertook to make Julie Berry parents of all 10 Lexi Connor title records.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:57, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Three points --not aligned with your three steps, so I make them unnumbered bullet items.<br />
:* Procedure for adding titles from Amazon. Perhaps it's proper with a work that is new at ISFDB --given earlier publication under a known different title (I presume that was known by our Amazon team member, and I haven't yet confirmed the fact of <i>Spelling B</i> publication)-- the publication reported by Amazon should be added under its publication title and date; and a parent should be created under the known 1st ed. data --presuming that that will be added later.<br />
::* Now I have located WorldCat records of stories #1-4 under original titles ''Spelling B ...'' (OCLC 277204477 , 501300482 , 560344104 , 794059493 as 4 print books; beside 4 ebooks).<br />
::* Whatever the usual procedure[*], I think it's reasonable here to make ''The Missing Magic'' and other short titles canonical (as by Julie Berry, with 1st ed. publication dates as title dates, of course). Essentially, the original series name was replaced after issue of 4 stories thus. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:14, 23 October 2022 (EDT) <br />
:* On the technical point: I know revision of parent title from ID ###1 to ###2 (a different parent) or to 0 (no parent; not a child). Is it possible using only the bottom half of the Make Variant screen (Option 2 : If the parent title does not exist, enter the title information below to create it.) to replace an existing variant relation at once?<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5450467 The Superstar Sister] isn't fine. It makes "2nd of several" a publication Note; should be Note to Moderator.<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:52, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Take a look at the result after I processed the seven edits outlined above. I didn't edit the title field as you stated they were correct (hasty assumption on my part). I simply changed the author in the parent titles to the canonical name. Isn't the result what you were aiming for? I left the four variant submissions on hold for you to cancel. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:37, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: No, I was taking the first step toward 16 NOVEL records: 6 as by JB with no publications; and the original 10 as by LC (created 2011 by Mhhutchins) as variants of the 6. Step zero, make variants of all 6 Mhh parent records, could not be submitted while those were parents. <br />
:::: But I do see your point. And the 10 NOVEL records now in the database, after your session-10-23, do match 10 of my 16 targets. Your implied advice: ADD the 1st ed. stories (''Spelling B ...'' as by Lexi Connor) as 4 new NOVEL submissions; later make them variants as appropriate. Until then --if and when you get around to adding them as Publications-- we don't need (and perhaps avoid by policy) such variant Titles without publications. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:39, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: As you continue to work on these, you might find [https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%28lexi%20connor%29 this] useful. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:46, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Canceled the quartet. Suggestion noted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:55, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
(unindent)John, With reference to the previews at archive.org, just now I added (submissions 5465337-40) 1st ed., 1st printings of books 1-4 as New Novels ''Spelling B ...'' by Lexi Connor. Later I will proofread comparatively; make variants; consider parent Titles annotation and redate.<br />
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Do you generally find such scans by site search at archive.org? Or by another route? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:10, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Submissions 5465337 thru 5465340 have been approved as is since you will be editing all of them. Let me know when the next round is ready for review.<br />
:* I added "(unindent)" to your post as is our practice.<br />
:* I search archive.org directly. In this case, I used metadata 'Advanced Search'. I use url searching when I wish to see the state of a given website as it existed at a specific time.<br />
: Thanks for your hard work on these, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:15, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Now submissions 5465647-48 and 50-51; 5465728-31 --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:41, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Submissions approved. The following items need attention. Missing juvenile flags for all 2011 & 2012 titles (8 titles). Fix case: 'With' is only capitalized if the first or last word of a title (2 titles, 1 pub title). Fix case: 'Spelling B and the missing magic' (1 title, 1 pub title). Submit edits for the above and anything else you see, then consider the following. Did you notice that the archive had both the 2010 and 2011 printings of 'Spelling B and the Runaway Spell'? The title pages are identical. Shouldn't the pub titles and titles records be the same? Thoughts? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:09, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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=== To Do list === <br />
<font color=green>''This subsection is a temporary footer.''<br />
# Pwendt, 10:36:21 EDT (quote as [nowiki]) <nowiki>Note to Moderator: 1st of 4; later<br> • child #1 needs capital Ms (NOVEL and COVERART)<br> • check all child COVERART (import, merge?); juv<br> • expand series Note </nowiki><br />
# Scifibones, 12:09 immediately above<br />
# 2011 eds. as ''B Magical:'' are now indb as 144 pages; #1 pb, #2-4 unknown; #5 pb; #6 pb £3.74<br />
# 2011 eds. #3-4 at archive.org (not known to hold scans of 2011 eds. #1-2 and 5-6):<br />
:* back covers state C$6.99, or Canada-only $1 price cut<br />
:* #3 1st printing, "This edition first printing, April 2011"; #4 2nd printing, "This edition first printing, May 2011" (not July)<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:37, 27 October 2022 (EDT) </font><br />
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== The Girl with the Broken Wing ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5458626 this submission]. Your source identifies the format as 'pbk' yet you made it hc. What am I missing? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:22, 22 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, the two ISBN are ISBN-13 and ISBN-10 for the same publication, unusually with duplicate "(pbk.) : £4.99". Not the usual, noteworthy, "first of two ISBN". Maybe I can find a WorldCat record {{done}} ... before I re-write and resubmit. {{done}}<br />
: New submission 5462997 is intended to be identical except format, to your point; linked WorldCat record; and Note, bullet-point layout with revised first bullet point. Please compare before you approve one and delete the other. That's the procedure, I presume. <br />
: (Thanks for your attention here. This is one I would not catch on proofread of My Recent Edits.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:27, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I approved the revised submission, but left the original for you to cancel. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:07, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: {{done}} --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:55, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Space Travel ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5474863 This book] will only be eligible if it illustrates fiction or is related to fiction. From what I can see, this is not the case. Can you share some more details about it? Thanks!<br />
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PS: We have a lot of non-fiction books in the DB which were entered under a different set of rules (based on having reviews in our magazines). We are slowly cleaning them up - the current rule is that the non-fiction books we add (which includes art books) should be related to speculative fiction or to books about speculative fiction. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:29, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: It doesn't belong in the database by that criterion. Perhaps I should note all 7 from last fortnight (6 pub update or clone, because the other six works were already here in US eds. if not UK eds.) at Community Portal. ... = seven 1953 UK books reviewed together as "Getting Ready for Blast-Off" by Charles Daly, The Observer 1954-01-10, p7.<br />
: To be continued, not today but mid-November(?). Use HOLD for now? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:52, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: We know this one is out so I may as well reject it and if I catch the others, I can clean up the copies we have and get them out as well... Let me know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:55, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: All those will be in the queue from -10-31 give or take a day. Dirk J Broer approved all the associated AuthorUpdate from not much earlier.<br />
::: I think I mentioned that it looks to me {{a|Willy Ley}} is someone in the database and deemed above the threshold for what is literally non-fiction. That is, for voluminous exobiology or cryptozoology, not presented as fiction. <br />
::: We also have such works as ''Flying Saucers Have Landed'' --presented as non-fiction but some who call themselves real scientists would call it fraudulent, rather than merely fanciful. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:44, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: We had had a lot of different rules through the years - and we have a LOT of non-fiction that needs deleting. If it is published as science and the person who wrote it believed it to be science, it is out. That also applies to UFOs, ghosts, alien abductions, other creatures, religion book and so on- unless it was published and meant to be fiction, it is not eligible. Look at our [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Included Included section of the ROA] - the non-fiction is only eligible under points 3 and 4. If it does not tie to fiction in some ways, it is out :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:53, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: So is there anything that will qualify it into the DB or should I reject the submission (or you can) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 23:39, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: I "cancel" the submission based on our discussion and ROA (linked above). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:13, 4 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Lost City ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5486056; While searching Google Images for cover image an ISFDB page came up, Pwendt/later, where you wrote about this book. Apparently the LoC copy was uploaded in 2017, very shortly after you entered this book, so after my edit's approved I'm sure you can add/fix more stuff. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Re your Note to Moderator: NOVEL edit history shows that I re-dated as 1883-00-00 when (2016-11-08 relocation from the publ record) I noted the original 11-part serial beginning 1883-10-30. NOVEL date should be first publication as a book. <br />
: Re the title page fib "1885": Sometime during my two-year pandemic absence there was ISFDB Wiki resolution, I believe, to augment the publication Date field, where we know that the actual and stated dates differ. Report both 1884-12-20 and 1885 in this instance. But augmentation hasn't been done. Usually (more recently?) I have put the publication date from the title leaf in the single field we have now.<br />
: Thanks. I will return to this one, as you suggest. Then I will re-layout as a bullet list (ie, with ul- and li-tags). Also I will insert my habitual opening lines for such cases: <br />
* '''1st ed. as a book''' (alluding to the 1883 serial; details in title record) <br />
* '''Published for the 1884 [Christmas][holiday][gift] season as 1885.''' (details in source note below)<br />
: Evidently I settled on the latter note, with 1885 in the Date field, sometime after this 2016/17 work. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:22, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ghostly Business ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514268; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514274; After these edits are approved you may want to see if you can add anything further. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. Evidently someone with a blue pen thought the bookcover windows and lights needed enhancement.<br />
: What is your criterion for adding a link to Archive.org (Webpages) or to OpenLibrary.org (External IDs)? I suppose your first submission is the fruit of exploration at the former website; and the second submission, exploration at the latter. <br />
: Just now I read this OL information page: [https://openlibrary.org/dev/docs/api/covers Open Library Covers API]. That may be useful to me occasionally. Too bad I didn't know it before the pandemic shutdown. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:59, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I used to add mostly OL ID, probably thousands of them in all, with an occasional Archive link added for one reason or another because I know that many of the non-public domain books aren't supposed to be on the Archive in the first place so I let people see the link on the OL page and decide whether they want to go to the Archive copy, but over the last few months with the server move here creating a huge mess and ISFDB-friendly sites like Amazon, WorldCat and others completely re-designing their sites it's a waste of time trying to do anything properly, so I just add mostly Archive links now with an occasional OL ID added for one reason or another. I've got about a thousand pending edits at the moment so if things go as planned and I leave here for awhile those should keep mods busy for a long time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:15, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Note to self again ==<br />
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Current contents of this page User talk:Pwendt <br />
: 001–002 : April 2015<br />
: 003–056 : Sep 2015 to Apr 2016 (8 months; about half the page by length)<br />
: 057–155 : May 2016 to Jun 2020<br />
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: 156–171 : Mar 2022 to Dec 2022 (May to Dec, essentially)<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:44, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?365842 Earwig and the Witch] ==<br />
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Hi! This has the note 'Evidently shorter than 15,000 words' (it's a bit unclear who added this), but this should lead into the transformation into a CHAPBOOK / SHORTFICTION: with this length it's a novelette. There's now a German translation out with 107 pages and many illustrations, which lead me to this title. Anything against the conversion? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:10, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Evidently that note item is mine. (First word "evidently" is evidence; last word evidently, probably, etc, would be stronger evidence.) Probably I counted words on one page only, and guessed the mass of illustrations, etc.<br />
: By the way, I don't know how to convert efficiently for a multiply published novel. What sequence of submissions? So go ahead and do it. Tell me the sequence if convenient. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:42, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks! Will do. If you come across this problem some time later, you'd have to change the NOVEL title to a SHORTFICTION one, and then, somewhat regrettably, one has to edit change all the publications into CHAPBOOKs (meaning you also will have to add a CHAPBOOK title to each one of them, so that each of the publications has a fitting container title). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:37, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== King of the Golden River ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?615941; https://archive.org/details/kingofgoldenrive0000rusk_b0c0; Library edition uploaded in Dec. of 2020 (there's a little label on the back cover), in case you want to enter it like I assume you did for the regular Greenwillow edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:30, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Annotated Snark ==<br />
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Hi, You verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?670586 this publication]. Can You remember the cover, maybe that one to be seen on [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=11418303274 abebooks]? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 07:37, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: I cannot. I should have kept a list of Transient PV from my local public libraries but I did not. Perhaps soon I will learn how to go from the scanner every branch now provides to an image suitable for ISFDB upload. <br />
: Two months ago I foresaw that retracing at local public library branches will be productive for ISFDB coverart image purposes ([[ISFDB:Community Portal#Amazon-hosted cover scans at images/P/]]). I haven't yet tried that and it belongs on the list for this winter.<br />
: It occurs to me also, I should note in publication records whether the verification copy has a dustjacket, same as I note when it does not have the original book cover.<br />
: Thanks for asking. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:32, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I found the right cover in [https://archive.org/details/annotatedsnark0000lewi archive.org], it's the same. I added. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:04, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: Thanks. I expanded my personal table of Primary Verifications (easy now, as only 120 in number) with a few extra columns that I should have used personally from the start, and a few that I would have added recently --concerning "/images/I/" and "/G/" and "/P/". It's only Day 2 and I have my first revision to make, with this image now in the database. And thanks for the price note. <br />
::: I see that you added the image hours after the other work, perhaps because you collect from ABEbooks and others, and manipulate for upload to ISFDB. Do you know that direct links to OpenLibrary.org cover images are acceptable? In this instance: <br />
::: [ <nowiki>https://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/12857132-L.jpg</nowiki> [https://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/12857132-L.jpg 1962 Snark, front dj] ]<br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:00, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Short and Tall Tales ==<br />
Were you planning on setting the non-genre flag as appropriate for the titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?496711 here]? [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5572534 This submission] sparked my curiosity. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:13, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: I don't have any knowledge to tag any story non-genre. I know the 29 mystery novels from #1-3, part of #29, and vaguely one other that is set in Moose County (#5-29). On that basis I confidently amplify what Mhhutchins and Chavey say and assent in the publication note, too briefly and without any Title annotation (all too common). Our later PVerifier is absent since 2015, or I might have asked herm ---who evidently did nothing but scan the record and check the box, by the way. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:46, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574837; The cover art is the same on the HC, which is also on OL/Archive, so if anyone creates a record for that edition the artist will need importing/date will need to be fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I have observed the 1st ed. Beside "non-genre" where appropriate, which requires some reading, all the stories need "short story" length and 2002-10 date --if we retain them in the database. Fix some titles too (&, '). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:44, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-approver status ==<br />
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Self-approver flag has been set on your account as per the consensus [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-nomination_for_self-approver_-_Pwendt on the Community portal]. Congratulations! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:41, 11 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. I vacated for a week after nominating myself last fortnight, but home computer trouble then extended my absence. So far in CoViD--19 era, I do not often work elsewhere, and I don't contribute by handheld phone. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:19, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Clock That Went Backwards ==<br />
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Please do not enter statements into the database like you did [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5604903 here]. All but two of these titles have been verified by active editors. If you have questions about the verifications, ask the verifiers on their talk pages to double check the records. Do not simply add a title note stating their verifications may be erroneous. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:57, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: For a start I have User space inquiries of [[User talk:Markwood]] (5 of the 8 PV) and [[User talk:Dave888]] (2 PV). It seems to me reasonable to wait for replies from both, before writing to remaining verifiers of single editions. For both Markwood and Dave888, I noted that the title notes are already out of date. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:08, 12 March 2023 (EDT)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Dave888&diff=657567
User talk:Dave888
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<p>Pwendt: /* The Clock That Went Backward */ afterthought Prentice-Hall anthology front cover at Amazon</p>
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<div>{{welcome}} [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:19, 28 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Mathcing illustrations ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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When you find an INTERIORART record which matches a COVERART one, you should connect them as variants :) For example, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4756555 here] - if the cover matches what is on page 8, you should variant them. Let me know if you want me to do it or assist with instructions. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:00, 13 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Annie,<br />
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:my thanks for that, as I did not know that. In this context, I was a bit vague here, and I can see I'll need to be more specific in the future. The interior illustration was not an exact match or excerpt of the cover, but rather a somewhat different view but showing the same tombstones as shown on the cover. With this info, I'll keep an eye out of matches that need a variant identification.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:40, 13 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Suspected so - so I did not connect them and instead left you a message so you know for the future (in case they match exactly). Thanks for adding the notes in all these magazines. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:50, 13 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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It is my pleasure. I have been cataloging my SF magazines and using ISFDB as a source for correlating info, and I realized that occasionally there was fairly minor info in ISFDB that was either incorrect or incomplete (mostly volume numbers, cover illustration attributions, etc). I am both attempting to be very, very careful and to learn how to do this without making trouble for others.<br />
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I do have one question. When I looked at the Wiki on "how to update verified records" (or something like that), it mentioned that I should notify the primary verifiers even on minor edits. I did not see any obvious way to do that when submitting a suggested edit. Am I missing something?<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:57, 13 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
: You go to their Talk page (click on their name, then on the "Discussion" tab and then press the plus sign (read the top of the page though - some editors have other preferences on what to notify them). We had changed the policies a bit lately -- so minor changes like the ones you are making are ok as is (we have "Changed PV" list where the moderator note shows up so you are good (very good idea to write them)-- but anything a bit bigger, you should post on their pages. Hope this makes sense. Use your common sense on when to notify. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 13 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The covers wording ==<br />
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One note on your replacements - if the text says "Cover illustration untitled" and the magazine is PVed, it means that there is no name for the illustration in the magazine. When you replace it with "Cover illustration for XX" and drop the original statement, you are removing data from the primary source (aka the magazine). So instead, use something like "Cover illustration untitled; it is for XX" or "Cover illustration for XX (untitled in the magazine)" or something along this line - which clearly explains that there is no credit in the magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:07, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Got it. Thanks for the coaching. Will do.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:32, 15 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: One more thing. I will go back, using my edit history, and revise these entries as you suggest. I could be wrong, but I believe I can do this. I'll let you know when I'm done, as it may take a while.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:50, 15 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::The submission you can see on the Edit History does not have the previous text (a known limitation of the system) but if there is an edit before yours, the old text will be in that one so you can see it there :) If there is no previous entry (we do not have one for very old edits), then it is what it is -- we did our best. I hope the reasoning for the change makes sense. Nothing too problematic even if not changed; it just makes a bit more sense not to lose known information :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:55, 15 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Page numbers ==<br />
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In cases like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?698105 this one] you can safely drop the values after | (and the | itself) unless you have two items on the same page. When we have actual pages, they serve both as values to show and values to so sort by :) Not that what you did is wrong but if there is ever a typo discovered and someone needs to edit, that someone will be very confused. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:40, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:The issue I struggled with was that some of the stories were in the wrong order and had the wrong page number. Upon looking at the ISFDB help areas, this seemed like the most likely way to resolve this. <br />
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:In the future, I may ask for advice before doing the actual editing, as I'm still not clear how else I could have gotten this corrected.<br />
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:Thanks.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:39, 15 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: The easiest way to think of it is that "200|200" is the same as "200" - we show the first value, we sort by the second. The wrong order may be because someone added from a source that had a wrong order - it happens. So when you have a real paper book in your hands, you do not need | at all -- unless you have two entries on the same page. The | syntax is for ebooks and audio books - the ones that do not have real pages or for cases where we simply do not know the page numbers (and for the cases where you have two or more items on the same page - rarely in books, a lot more common in magazines (or poetry collections) :) If you ever have questions, just ask. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:59, 15 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 23:25, 15 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Astounding ==<br />
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Hi. Please consider making yourself a primary verifier of those issues of Astounding where you added information to the notes. None of the original verifiers has been active in quite some time. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:27, 20 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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MartyD, thanks for the suggestion. I do have time and interest, and do like to make things better, which is how I first got into updating/adding cover story information for some of the ISFDB magazines. I can certainly go read all of the help pages that discuss primary verification. However, before I jump into this, I have two questions up front:<br />
1. What does it mean to make myself a primary verifier?<br />
2. How do I make myself a primary verifier for an issue of a magazine? (I'm guessing this is something I could figure out without too much work, but I'm already asking you one question, so I'll add this too).<br />
Thanks,<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:20, 20 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: A PV means that you have the magazine at hand and you had checked the information we have about it in the DB against the magazine itself. Here is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:Verify the help page] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_verify_data How To]. When you verify, if someone has any questions, they can come to your page (this one here) and ask you about what is in the DB and what is in the magazine - that is why Marty mentioned that most of the other PVs are inactive -- we cannot ask them for clarification if they are not around :) It is a simple radio box (using the "Verify This Pub" menu on the left menu on the publication). Please feel free to ask any questions you may have. And thanks for all the updates! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:09, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Annie, thanks for the explanation. I have definitely had the magazines at hand, although for many of them it has been easier to refer to the scanned versions on Archive.org or on Luminist.org. (and there are some where I don't have the paper magazine, but only access to the scanned versions). I assume that we can treat those as essentially the same thing? <br />
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My only other concern is the extent to which I would be verifying the magazine info. To date, I have definitely been verifying all of the info that I have been updating, and the data that was related to that (like cover story titles, for instance), but I have not been verifying the entire magazine contents. I could definitely go back and do that, but would prefer to finish my current pass on updating the cover attributions, just to stay organized. I could either wait to verify the entire contents and then add myself as a verifier (preferred) or add myself as a verifier now and come back to finish verification. I would appreciate your advice on this.<br />
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Thanks and best wishes,<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 13:07, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: That's a whole new can of worms - which we had had multiple discussions about. Some people verify based on scans (the notes should ALWAYS explain if that is the case). Some don't. I personally do not consider a scan to be the same as the magazine/book so I would update based on a scan and explain it is from a scan but I would not PV. We had been discussing a new type of verification based on scans (as we have more and more of them) but it never panned out (yet).<br />
: Do things in your own schedule/pace. NO hurry. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:27, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Annie, one more question. When I get to updating from scans for magazines I do not physically own, you mentioned that it would be desirable to note that the information came from a scanned copy. Is there any need to note the origin of the scanned copy, such as archive.org or luminist.org? Not a hurry on this - I probably won't get to this for a week or two, at least.<br />
Thanks<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:21, 31 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Up to you how much information you want to add. If the scan is available officially, adding a link to it in the Web Pages field of the magazine may be the best course of action in addition to the note. Then just mentioning that it is from a scan is enough but if you feel like identifying the scan, it also works. Think of the next person who sees the record - if you were opening the record, would you like to know where the scan is? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:52, 31 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: Great. I'll do that. One question regarding adding a link to the actual scan, to a "official" site such as archive.org or Luminist.org. Has anyone been doing that and what has the experience been?<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 10:44, 1 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: In what regard? The Web Links section on the publication was added to allow us to add links to pages about the books (or with the books foe scans from libraries and the like). As long as the link is to a legal site, adding it is ok. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:00, 1 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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Annie, thanks.<br />
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Boy, that is a can of worms. I just spent about 2 months cataloging my almost 800 SFF magazines and then re-filing them horizontally to avoid wear/bending. This cataloging is actually what led me to start editing the ISFDB entries, as I noticed errors (a very, very, very few) and omissions (especially on the cover story attribution). I am sorry, but I'm not planning on getting them out again for this. I will admit that I get there are scans and scans - I am especially suspicious of some of the earlier Astounding "scans" I've seen, which appear to be from microfiche or something of that nature. Those are hard enough to see and read that I would not verify from them. However, 99% of the scans I've seem appear to be good enough for me in terms of completeness and readability.<br />
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If this ever changes and using scans for verification becomes acceptable, I would be happy to take on verifying.<br />
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Pending any definitive direction on that, I'll continue to use the scans and will reference the scans as the source of info. Would it be appropriate or desirable to reference the detailed source, such as "scan of August 1945 Astounding on Archive.org"? If you have any examples of how this should be done, I would be interested. I will go back and reference the scans on all the magazines I've used them for.<br />
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Thanks for all your guidance and enthusiasm.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:33, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Yours is a different case though. If you have the physical magazine, you still can verify, using the scan as a reference - if there is a disagreement, you still have the magazine to pull (even if it takes time). You do not need to have the magazine on your desk while verifying -- it is really a "I have the magazine and can check it if really needed". In reality a scan usually has all we need - except things like exact size for example or anything that did not scan well. So in your case, I would verify without a second thought. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:38, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks. That is helpful and under those circumstances I will be happy to add myself as a primary verifier when I actually own the magazine. I'll probably finish my current run of editing the cover attribution to clarify if there is an explicit source for the info, as previously requested. I will then go back and add myself as a primary verifier.<br />
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That probably (without adding them up) leaves several hundred issues of Astounding/Galaxy/F&SF/Amazing/If/etc that I edited for added cover attribution solely on scans, without personally owning them. I will mention on them that the cover info attribution is from scans.<br />
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I may have mentioned this, but I really appreciate the guidance on how to do ISFDB in a helpful fashion. I really do want to make things better, but don't want to screw up what is working and do want to work within the system.<br />
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Best wishes<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:51, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: You are always welcome :) We work as a team here - if you ever have a question, just ask - someone WILL help sooner or later. :) And sometimes you step in gray areas and we have lengthy discussions - community ran projects are like that. :) Plus it is easier to try to steer new editors than deal with the old patterns of the old hands :) You are doing fine - most of the suggestions you are getting are of the "your work is great, here is an idea of how to improve a bit" variety. So it is easy to post recommendations. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:58, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::Hi, sorry about somewhat sporadic availability. But you're in good hands with Annie! One additional point about making yourself a primary verifier: Think of it more as an "I have this publication" than "I have painstakingly gone through every bit of data and matched it against my pub-in-hand." While we certainly like the latter, it is much more useful for the community to know you can be a resource for questions. So do as thorough or cursory a "verification" as you are able and care to do. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:00, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
MartyD, thanks also for your insights and guidance on what it means to be a primary verifier.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:20, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) AnnieK, I have finally gotten back to the question of adding links to scanned copies of Astounding. These scanned copies are at either archive.org or luminist.org (mostly archive.org). I see a few (2 perhaps) examples such as this in the March 1930 Astounding Notes, of a link to archive.org:<br />
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The full text and images of this edition are available at The Internet Archive.<br />
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With a live link in the original.<br />
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From what I took earlier from you, the web page feature is more aimed at sites about a specific publication, and not so much for links to scanned copies.<br />
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Accordingly, my plan is to add similar live links in the Notes to specific Astounding issues from either archive.org (my preference) or luminist.org (when there is no archive.org copy).<br />
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I would appreciate your feedback before I get started.<br />
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Best wishes,<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 15:48, 26 December 2020 (EST)<br />
: Reorganizing this a bit so it is clear who is responding to whom. :) The full text of the issue is exactly what we have these links for (they are for pages about the issue/book and pages containing the issue/book) - in a way a scanned issue is "a page about the issue" more that a page about it is. The links inside of the notes are for things like crediting an artist based on another site or something along these lines. So add the text but instead of incorporating a link, add the link in its proper field. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:01, 26 December 2020 (EST)<br />
Ok. I'll add the text, and add the link to the Web Page field in the Edit form. I am planning on doing this for all the Astoundings I can find on archive.org (or luminist.org if not on archive.org), so it's really good to get it right to start with. If this goes OK, I may do the same thing for Galaxy, F&SF, etc. Best wishes<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:05, 26 December 2020 (EST)<br />
I did finish updating the Astoundings with links to archive.org (mostly) and Lumnist.org (a few where there was no archive.org), along with an update to the Notes. Next, I think I'll do the same for Galaxy. Best wishes and thanks again for the coaching.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:53, 9 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== In this issue...Coming next month ==<br />
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Hi Dave, when entering a title that is common across several publications (here magazines), but that have different contenst, then you'll need to disambiguate them by adding the Magazine's title between parenthesis, lest they risk being merged into one single record. I've done a few as an example, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2802430 here]. When approved, will you go back in and submit these disambiguations? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:15, 21 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:Now that you mention that, I see what you mean in other entries for F&SF, Analog, etc, for these kinds of repetitive and perhaps non-exclusive titles, such as might appear in any SF magazine. I also see the entry on this subject in the Help Wiki. Looking at the entries that I see, I assume that an entry like this would be acceptable, "Coming soon (F&SF, January 1971)". Yes, once I confirm I have it right, I will be back and separately revise the ones that have already been submitted and accepted, etc. I don't know if there are any still pending, but it would be more straightforward for me to go back and edit those entries after the pending edits have been approved for now, compared to re-submitting all of them).<br />
:Thanks for the coaching.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 15:06, 22 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:: That's exactly what I wanted to hear :) And you have it understood correctly. I have approved the submissions that I had on hold. Don't wait to submit the update, otherwise you may risk having someone merge all these identical records, and then you'll have to submit an unmerge first before you can correct the titles. For clarity's sake, you know you can either edit each individual 'In this issue...Coming next month' title record, or alternatively update the title by editing the pub record? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:56, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
I'll get on that today. I like the idea of doing the pub record edit, but I have not done that and will need to read up on that. I know the format I need to follow is pretty much "(F&SF, XX, XXXX)" for the month and year. Does the pub record edit accommodate that, or would I still need to edit each by hand to get the correct month and year in the title record?<br />
Thanks!<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 13:19, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
: No automatic adjustments (the system does not know what title will appear in other magazines) so you will need to add the correct differentiator manually. Please note that it is not always "Magazine, Month Year" - it is usually the publication title as is. For magazines with longer names, shorter versions are acceptable. Most older magazines already have a few essays with the correct titles so look at them and use the same differentiator inside of the magazine for consistency. :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:18, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:: I've done an example for you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2802430 here]. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:48, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
My thanks to both of you for the coaching. I should be able to get this done (all the prior F&SF issues edited to reflect this on the "Coming soon", etc, title entries) by tomorrow at the latest.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 15:37, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
::: One more trick. If you go to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/recent.cgi recent edits] page, scrolling down you should be able to find your approved edits (at around 2020-11-23 12:58:16 timestamp). If you then hold ctrl and click on each 'Affected Record' (last column) in succession you'll open new tabs (at least it works like this in Chrome) for each pub you'll have to edit. Makes it easier on the routine - of course, you could also use the regular search as well... ;) Have fun! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:09, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
I have taken care of these edits, along with getting my references to luminist.org changed to archive.org (I found out in archive.org that the F&SF issues were mostly there, just indexed in a non-obvious way). Now, I'll be moving forward from 1962. Thanks again for the coaching.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:53, 24 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Coming Soon et al. ==<br />
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Hello Dave, I've accepted all of your submissions, but you'll have to review all ''Coming Soon'' and similar titles, as you'll need to capitalize them. So not ''Coming soon'' but ''Coming Soon''. This because we standardize capitalization for all titles (per the capitalization rules for the language). You could use advanced search on titles to retrieve a list of all that you'll need to update. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:49, 28 November 2020 (EST)<br />
Thanks for catching that. I had read that, but then I managed to confuse myself and convinced myself, incorrectly, that the Contents page vs. title page title case governed. My bad, and thanks for accepting the rest. I'll get it right going forward, and I'll let you know when I have re-done these for correct case per ISFDB standardization. I will try the advanced search on titles, but we'll see about that. I have not had as much success with that as I have been hoping for. Either way, it will get done.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:05, 28 November 2020 (EST)<br />
I gave it one pass through, and am done with updating the case on those records. I'll re-search to ensure I have not missed anything after the pending changes are approved. Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 00:52, 29 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== New Cthulhu 2: More Recent Weird ==<br />
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I had to reject [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4848830 this submission]. We already have a record for the {{P|505445|tp version}} you are trying to create. Please edit that version instead (which is a different version than the ebook you were cloning). Let us know if you have questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:29, 7 December 2020 (EST)<br />
Thanks for catching that. I sure missed that entirely - an unfortunately too human moment! Yes, I will edit the tp version to get the complete TOC and get them in the right order for the tp.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 10:38, 8 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== If/Worlds of If ==<br />
<br />
I'm currently approving your submissions with the web page reference for on-line versions of the magazine, but I have to say that if you were not going to specify the particular link to the individual issues, it would have been simpler and adequate to go to the heading for the series of magazines and enter the link there. What you've done is acceptable, but not the best way to have handled giving users of the website information about the magazines. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:22, 20 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Bob, I need a some help here. Looking at my Rejection Log, you rejected a number of these Worlds of If edits with the link to individual issue scans between 1952 and 1960 or so. Your comment was "Put the link in: link descriptor."<br />
::I need some help on what that means, especially given that the suggested edits all included links to scans of specific issues.<br />
::Thanks.<br />
::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 00:46, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::I think Bob was expecting this link to be in the notes as an HTML link. He seems to have overlooked that you put them in the web page field (which is the correct location for them). As Bob has not responded in the last three days despite being active, I will un-reject the edits and approve them since they were valid. There is no point in making you do it all over again. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:15, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
Thank you. I appreciate your insight and your help.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:45, 24 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: If they are not to the exact issue of the magazine, they should really not be in the publication links - that's what title and series web pages fields are for... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:30, 20 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::My thanks to both of you for the guidance. Every single link added to all of these magazines by me has been specific to the issue. Among other reasons for doing this on a per issue basis are a) many people I know are looking for specific issues, and b) for most (if not all) of the SF magazines I have done this for, there is not a single source for the magazine that is complete, well organized and easy to search, and with a desirable interface for access. This pretty much drives the decision to do it on an issue by issue basis. <br />
::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:25, 20 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Non-genre magazines ==<br />
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They do not get a cover record or a cover image UNLESS it illustrates our contents (think of Playboy and how many SF stories are there - while we do not have issues with covers of our books that are risque, cataloging these would be sending a wrong message so the decision was taken to treat non-genre magazines in a special way compared to any other publication) :) So I pulled it out from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?821593 here]. And I did the yearly record update (changing the date and the title) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:41, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for setting me straight on the cover record. I'm sure that info was somewhere. sorry. On the yearly record update, thanks. I believe you mentioned that this would be created automatically (maybe I'm wrong) when a 2nd issue for 2019 was added. Am I confused?<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 13:48, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: No worries on the cover. Common oversight :)<br />
:: Let me try again: When you create the magazine, the EDITOR record is created with the title and the date of the issue you just added. So if it is the first for the year, we need a rename+redate TitleUpdate post approval. If it is a second or later issue for the year, we need a merge to bring it to the others. You will notice that unlike other records, an EDITOR does not have "Add Publication" and Clone does not allow a title change - so if you go for clone instead of a new+merge for later issues in the same year, then you need to rename the new issue once it is approved (the clone is useful for things like the ebook/webzine double formats or paper/ebook double formats). There is always a second step with magazines. :) Hope that made more sense now. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:55, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks! That is very helpful. I'm guessing after I go through this a bit it will become obvious to me. I will be referring back to this. I was kind of wondering if cloning would be useful for adding, say, the November 2019 Nightmare, which probably shares a lot of content and format with the September issue, or if it was better to just start from the beginning and be careful? Seems like a style difference, and it does seem like it is a more obvious choice for different printings/versions of the same publication. Any thoughts on cloning vs adding for the November Nightmare issue?<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:02, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: But it is not the same contents - they are different stories and essays (and if some are named the same, we still differentiate with the issue title if it is different contents) - remember that Clone will also bring in the contents of the issue, not just the data at the top. So start over :) If you clone, you will need to then remove all the contents and add the new ones... hardly useful. If it is a new issue, you add New. If it is a new format for an existing issue, you use Clone. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:23, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Notes and clones ==<br />
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When there is a note such as "Publication date from Amazon.com as of 2015-09-03." in a book you are cloning from, you want to remove that line for a new book - you are setting/checking the publication date as of the day for the NEW record you are creating when you are adding the record - so the as of will match your "data as of" statement. The reason why the book you copied from had that line is because the rest of the data there came from a real copy but the date itself is not printed there and was added based on Amazon at that specific date. Hope this makes sense. I had been cleaning up the lines as I was approving your clones. Thanks for doing them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:22, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for letting me know. That was niggling at me a bit. One of my theories was that I needed to preserve the earlier info for a data trail, per se. But no. I'll do that in the future. When I'm citing that I have used info from Amazon and the kindle preview for an ebook, does it make any sense to note that the info is per the date I am doing it, or should I just leave all that out? <br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:26, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: You do preserve the old dates and notes if you are editing an existing publication; you do not if you are creating a new one where it is not relevant and does not belong to the record you are making. When you are cloning you are creating a new book - you can add "data from the paperback edition" or something like this if this is where you are sourcing for example but the history of our record of the paperback edition is kinda irrelevant.<br />
:: Yes - using "Data from Amazon.com as of TODAY_DATE" is a good practice. Then if someone corrects something, they can add the changes with "as of" as well making it a lot clearer of what came from where. It belongs to THIS record that you are now creating. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:32, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Don't forget the | for the pages on non-paper books :) I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?822052 here] and added the Narrators, Audible ID, ISBN and length - and removed the Recommended essay that is not in it as per your note. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:49, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: And fixed the price: remember that we want the List price, so in this case: $41.99 :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::::Got it. Thanks, and I will continue to do better. My goal is always to just have it approved without more work.<br />
::::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 13:57, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: New formats are hard - :) You are doing fine -- the DB can be... interesting. That's why I am noting and explaining what I am changing. As always - if something is unclear or does not make sense, let me know. Thanks for working on these! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:13, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Slate, April 30, 2018 ==<br />
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You create a chapbook when a story is published on its own and not part of a different publication; when it is in a magazine/collection, you create the magazine/collection - regardless if the story is already in the DB or not. I fixed the type [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?822415 here] so now you can import the story -- and I also fixed all the other yearly records for Slate while I was there (the two new ones were edited and the existing ones got their other entries merged into them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:29, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:So, I should have created the magazine issue for Slate for a specific date, but left it with no contents, and then imported the story. Please confirm, as I'd like to get this right in the future for all of the other issues/stories like this, as there are certainly more. <br />
Thanks for taking care of the yearly records for Slate; I'm sure I'll get to trying to do that some day, and I'll keep the guidance and we'll see how I do. <br />
: Best wishes and thanks for the continued guidance and mentoring.<br />
: PS - when I get it back from the library, I'll be adding a good new novel which is definitely genre (fantasy perhaps?) but not currently in the DB. I'll go back and re-read all the guidance before doing that.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:42, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Yes. Or add the story and then we will merge. :) When it is a single story, either way works - there is always a second step - import or merge - so either way is fine. If you are adding contents to an anthology, importing is way better because if you add them otherwise, we will need to merge every story, one by one. <br />
:: Compared to magazines and anthologies, novels are easy. Still, do not hesitate to ask. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:22, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:27, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Title date after publication date ==<br />
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When you see a message "Title date after publication date" when you are importing (or cloning) like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4908242 here], you should also submit a change of date for the title record, with a moderator note that an import is pending so we know why you are changing it if the import is not approved yet. I am doing it now as I am approving ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4908257 for example]) but keep that in mind for the future. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:00, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: Thanks for letting me know. I was expecting to do that, and I was wondering if you were taking care of it. In the future, I will note that in the Moderator notes.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:04, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Sometimes you get the friendly moderator who does them, sometimes you do not. The two updates are not clashing so as soon as you see the warning, just submit the re-date as well -- that way the moderators know that they do not need to. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Got it. I certainly don't plan on relying on that. Will do. Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:08, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4908984 Now I am bored...]. No updates needed after this one. :) <br />
:::: Let me know if you want a tip on how to merge titles with different titles so you can get the two 2014 issues together without the need to rename both (you still need to rename one of course) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:51, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::I will still need to deal with the 2017 issue also. Yes, I would love a tip on merging, I do not think I have done that. My thanks on all your patience here. I have only read 1 of the Future Tense fiction works (it was quite good), but I am sure impressed with the authors I know, and need to try the others. I am pleased to add these to ISFDB, as they are certainly worthwhile.<br />
:::::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 21:06, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::: Well, yes but you had done that before :) You need to do it on one of the 2014 issues as well :)<br />
:::::: Two ways to merge titles that do not come up on the duplicate check (if you go to any book, title or author, there is "Check for Duplicate Titles" links on the left menu with various settings that will find most of the similarly named ones - although the ones on titles and publications can find more in the aggressive option). When that fails, you have two options:<br />
::::::* Go to the author page. Find "Show All Titles" in the left menu. Now select what to merge, make sure you pick the correct title and date in the next screen :). <br />
::::::* If the author has more than one page of titles and the things you want to merge do not show up on the same page, go for Advanced Search -> Titles (which opens [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_selection.cgi?title this]). Build your scenario - it can be as easy as "Title1" or "Title2" or it can be "Title starts with Slate and Title Year is 2014" or anything in between. The goal is to get them to a merge screen - do no worry about not filtering enough -- you need the ones you want to merge on a single page so you can select them; any additional ones showing you just do not pick :) Then select the ones you want to merge and make sure you pick the correct titles.<br />
:::::: For magazines, the Author -> Show All Works as a charm (as long as the editor is not a major author as well of course). As always, if you have questions, just ask :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:15, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::Looks like DirkP got there first, so this appears to have been taken care of. That's it for Slate for today. Thanks for all the help.<br />
:::::::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:11, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Gehman's 'The Machine' ==<br />
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Thanks for the additional information on the story's first publication. I transferred it to its [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?74768 title] where it properly belongs (and I adjusted the date to the exact day that you found out about). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:35, 12 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for taking care of those corrections. I'll take note of that for the future, and attempt not to make the same mistake again.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:14, 12 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Page numbers and order==<br />
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When adding real pages (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?696934 here]) there is no need to do things like "407|22" - just put 407. :) If a mistake is corrected later, we can end up with things sorting weirdly (for example if it is discovered that this 407 is 408 and the editor doing the change does not understand what that 22 means, they will leave it as 408 only... and off it will go to the bottom). Trying to figure out why this happened can be... interesting :)<br />
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The system will sort based on the number itself if you do not add a | explicitly (think of 407 as a 407|407 essentially); add the | and value after that only when either you have two things on the same page or when it is an ebook/webzine (so you use it for ordering only) or when we simply do not know the page numbers (same as ebooks). Hope this makes sense. <br />
Thanks for fixing the order in this one! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:57, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Thanks for the help. I think I forgot that. I can see how that could cause problems.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:25, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::One more question on page numbers. I am in the process of importing the ebook "Sense of Wonder" titles into the tp version. I do not have a copy of the paper book, nor have I found a copy of the actual paper TOC with page numbers for everything. I do have one appendix in the ebook which does give page numbers for the fiction titles, but not for the essays or author bio essays. I am thinking that there is no point in adding the page numbers only for the fiction titles, but I am interested in your opinion. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:35, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Just leave them with the page markers from the ebook :) If/when someone has the book, they can fix the page numbers. As long as everything is in order, we are good in this case. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:43, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::I thought so. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:47, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Audio books ==<br />
<br />
A few more things about audio books:<br />
* We have a Narrator template :) <br />
* Audible IDs (from Audible.com) are external IDs, if it is from another Audible, the link goes into Web Pages<br />
* Modern digital audio books have ISBNs (not all but the major publishers and the last couple of years do). Three easy ways to find them:<br />
** If the Audible ID does not start with B, it is ISBN10 - so convert to ISBN13 and you are good. If it starts with B, the book does not have ISBN but you may check the rest of the sources (there are a few weird cases). But when I see one of those with B Audible ASIN, I generlly assume no ISBN and stop chasing it. <br />
** Kobo has the ISBNs (Search by title and make sure you grab the one for the audio and not the ebook). If it does not start with 978/979, we do not want it (they use 123 IDs for internal purposes when no ISBN is there; these are not ISBNs and we do not record them).<br />
** The publisher site. <br />
** Careful if you find an ISBN on a library site - some publishers have two ISBNs and two separate versions of the audiobook - one for public consummation and one for libraries. The library ones won't show up in Amazon/Kobo but will show up in OCLC. It is ok to add both - just do not add the ASIN and Audible ASIN to the second (add OCLC number instead) :) <br />
* We want the price list. So in Amazon, you see two radio boxes: "Buy with Audible Credit" and "Buy with 1-Click"(or something like that). Not the button - just the radio box. When you switch to the latter, the list price appears. You see something like this (from the book linked below):<br />
** Buy with 1-Click $29.39<br />
** List Price: $41.99 You Save: $12.60 (30%)<br />
* Alternatively, get it from Audible: For example: "Regular price: $41.99; Member price: $29.39 or 1 credit" - you want the regular price. Or get it from the publisher site (if they are different, publisher site wins, the note specifies that this is where the price is from and you can add Amazon/Audible price in the notes<br />
I made these changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?827166 this one] so you can see there how these are used. Do let me know if you have any questions :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: A few more things:<br />
:* As the cover is the same, you could have left the checkbox clicked on the Clone screen - I merged them :)<br />
:* The Intro is there - Audible's sample (very useful occasionally - you can listen to it from Amazon or Audible and unlike ebooks samples, you can stream it without getting it first (so unlike your kindle (client), your Audible one does not get cluttered by these) starts at the film and TV section of it :) So I cleaned up the note. Thanks for adding this one! :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:25, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I will make a note of all of these things, and do better next time. On the cover, I felt that the cover base image was the same, but the overall image was a bit different. Not that important.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 10:41, 9 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: If you never worked with those, some of these are not that easy to figure out (which is why I explained my usual process with audio books - hopefully it is useful:) ). <br />
::: Yep - in which case we have one COVERART title but different images inside of the publications. For art we variant for changes in language, title or author form but not for different borders, colors and so on. So even if in black and white, this would have been merged again. Or mirrored. Or like here when it has the red borders. Hope this makes a bit more sense now. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 9 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::I see. Thanks. I'll note that for the future, and hopefully get it right.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:31, 9 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Erewhon (Sense of Wonder Excerpt) ==<br />
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Does the book say "Erewhon (Sense of Wonder Excerpt)" or does it say "Erewhon (excerpt)" or something else (about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2842119 this one]? Unlike essays, we never add the book name into excerpts UNLESS the title is printed that way in the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:42, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2842121 this one] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2841873 this one] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2841889 this one]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:43, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks for the guidance. I assume that the other properties are enough to uniquely identify each excerpt. I missed that. I had added the "Sense of Wonder" to the titles of the excerpts to clearly identify that they were different versions. I will change them all back without the "Sense of Wonder" on the excerpts.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:04, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Even if they do not, we just do not differentiate them (And we do not merge them if we are not sure they re the same). Just different rules across different types (yep, it can get confusing) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:21, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: The full part of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Title help page] is: "Excerpts. Sometimes an excerpt from a forthcoming book will be printed at the back of a book. This should be treated as short fiction. If the excerpt has a different title that the work from which it is excerpted, use that title. Otherwise, use the title of the excerpted work, but add " (excerpt)" to the end; e.g. "A Feast for Crows (excerpt)"." - and yes it applies also to books that are already published :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:21, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks for steering me right. Making corrections now.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:23, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::: Dave, (excerpt). Not (Excerpt). :) I will approve and fix... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:27, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:Darn. Got it now. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:29, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Sense of Wonder - two more questions ==<br />
<br />
1. After editing the "excerpt" titles, I'm seeing an number of entries like this, "The Last Man (excerpt) • short fiction by Mary Shelley (variant of The Last Man (Sense of Wonder Excerpt)) [as by Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley]", where the listed variant is of the old, incorrect title. I am assuming that I inadvertently created the variant here. What do I need to do on these?<br />
: Yep - because when there is a parent because a pseudonym was used (someone created them to assist you), you also need to change the names of the parents now. Click on these weird titles and submit a new edit to fix their names now :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:16, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I will do that. Does this also mean that I'll need to do a merge to get rid of them after making them the same?<br />
2. For the non-unique essay titles (author bio and others), I created them all as "XXXXX (Sense of Wonder)" to differentiate. Do I need to go back and edit all of these to "XXXXX" only?<br />
Sorry for the complications. Thanks<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:50, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Nope - the essays with common names DO get the name of the book at the end to protect them from merging. Excerpts don't. One of the oddities of the DB. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:16, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::Great. With all of this, after I deal with this and a few other issues (there are still a few outstanding alternate names), I will be close to being done with the ebook edits. Once I get there on that, I'll import the titles into the tp. This has been an interesting learning experience for me. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:00, 13 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Reversing these variants ==<br />
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These can be done with a single edit per title. <br />
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Let me explain with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2842405 this one]. Get the title "Sense of Wonder". Go to Advanced search -> Titles ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_selection.cgi?title here]) and paste "Sense of Wonder" for Title and modifier exactly. It will find the results [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=Sense+of+Wonder&C=AND&USE_2=title_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title here]. Find the two we are trying to reverse. On the next screen:<br />
* Select the the Author you want to stay (the longer one here)<br />
* Where is says "title_parent", select the empty and not the number. <br />
When this is approved it will leave a single title where we want it with nothing to delete, rename or fix :) The second point above is important - if you leave the Number and not the empty, it will loop on itself (not that we cannot clean it after that but it defeats the purpose of the single edit idea). <br />
Let me know if something does not make sense and try with this one title. Once it works, you can do it with the rest - just use the different exact title in the Advanced Search :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:10, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! I should have asked you for this. I now see your advice on this in the "rejection", and I will proceed with doing this first.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 15:01, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. See - 1 step only. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:45, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks. If I can't figure out what to do next, I'll check in and ask.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 22:09, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Well - you know how to do the variants of the ones that do not have the variants in the wrong direction (it will always be Option 2 for this author) and all the reversals will be exactly like this one. So you should be all set. But if you need help, just yell :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:12, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== "Science Fiction in Western Europe (Sense of Wonder)" ==<br />
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Hi, my best guess is that the suffix '(Sense of Wonder)' is superfluous [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2842155 here] and should be removed: it only should be indexed if it's printed in that way as heading for the essay, or if there are several titles 'Science Fiction in Western Europe' by Sonja Fritzsche. (And it's standard procedure for a generic title like 'Introduction', 'Editorial' or 'Afterword'. See also the last bullet under the sub-section '''Title''' [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles here]). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:25, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Good point. You are correct. Most of these had "Sense of Wonder" appended due to duplication with other titles with input by AnnieMod, but this one does not. I have submitted a correction. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:46, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:04, 26 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you. I sure tried to be organized and methodical on this one. However, with about 375 entries, I appreciated all the help I could get.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:45, 26 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Galaxy 1963-10 ==<br />
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Cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58633 this issue] is credited to Dember, but the same but differently cut cover art of [https://www.flickr.com/photos/161053216@N03/51301915361 Galaxie #1, Mai 1964] is clearly signed R McK, that is, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27543 Richard McKenna] (not the writer). [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 11:08, 20 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I have checked my paper version of the October 1963 Galaxy. It is clearly listed as "Dember" on the contents/copyright page for the cover. I agree that it is the same image as is used for the Galaxie #1 (Maie 1964). I don't have a paper version of the Galaxie issue. The version I see online here at ISFDB does show that area of the cover that is omitted from the Galaxy cover, but the scale and resolution are not enough to see what the signature looks like. I do see that the flickr version linked to appears to show a Richard McKenna signature, but I was unable to find a version online that I had confidence in. Dember and Richard McKenna both did covers for Galaxy in this era. I don't see enough clearcut evidence to make a change here. You could put this to the moderators and see if they have a better idea. Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 00:30, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::If you click on the Galaxie link above, and click again on the image to enlarge it, you see a signature R McK, with an M which has a horizontal upper bar, and with a very small c. The best certified McKenna signature I can find right now is [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XdnoBZR0U1pFgYET9uokZWvlhvWvy-KJ/view here], it opens a PDF for the whole If 1967-03 magazine, with signed cover and attribution on the contents page. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 06:36, 23 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::Thanks. I agree with you that the certified McKenna signature on the 1967-03 IF magazine does look like the signature on the online version of that cover illustration. At the same time, I would still be somewhat cautious about this. I would suggest editing the Notes for the October 1963 Galaxy to something that suggests that the cover may be by McKenna and not Dember, but that the lack of a paper version of the Galaxie cover makes it somewhat ambiguous. I would leave the Cover Artist noted as Dember.<br />
:::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:46, 23 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Littlest People (Galaxy March 1954) ==<br />
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The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58568 isfdb entry for the March 1954 issue of Galaxy SF] lists 2 interior illustrations for the story "The Littlest People", though the story in fact only contains one. Just leaving this note to let you know that I'll rectify this issue soon. --[[User:Rreett|Rreett]] 17:08, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for noticing that and taking care of it![[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 20:19, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Talk pages vs User pages ==<br />
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Please be careful when leaving messages on other editors' pages - you want the discussion/Talk page, not their user page. I moved your message for C1 from their user page to their [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:C1#Year.27s_Best_Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy_2017 Talk Page]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:30, 10 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:Darn it. My bad. I'll remember that next time. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:54, 10 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: No worries. Our links on the PV table put you on the user page (I've asked for that to be changed already) and if they had not filled in something in there to make you realize you are on a user page, it can be a bit confusing so it happens occasionally. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:50, 10 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 10:59, 11 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Meditation ==<br />
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There is an active PV on one of the books on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5151829 this update]. So before we change the title, please check with them. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:12, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:I did check with Markwood, and he was OK. See bottom of his usertalk. http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood <br />
:In hindsight, I should have checked with him first? Thanks.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:10, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Yep - first check with the PV, then submit it with a note that you checked with the PV as well :) Approved. Otherwise all I can do is to put it on hold until the PV responds or we determine they won't (in which case we will still correct but a note will need to be added so it is clear that the PVs did not verify that story title). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:19, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Great. I'll do that. Sorry.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:53, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Contributor's Notes (The Best American Science Fiction and Fantasy 2021) ==<br />
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We use the author name Anonymous when this is how the text is credited verbatim. When you want to say that there is no credit, we use "uncredited" (and we use "unknown" if we suspect that there may be a credit but the secondary source we have has no information about it). So [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2949834 this one] is definitely "uncredited" and not by Anonymous :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:01, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:I knew that. Thanks, and I'll try to get that right next time.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 10:14, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Non-genre sources ==<br />
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You know, these non-genre sources are eligible to be added here. "A Public Space, December 2020" for example - as a non-genre periodical ([http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Entering_non-genre_periodicals Help page] on how we add these). Or issue 270 of "One Story". Or Paris Review. If you want to add them instead of just notes that is. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:48, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:I had taken a look around at those situations and there seemed to be a lot of non-genre sources handled in the Notes. I do see and agree that non-genre sources with a history or pattern of genre stories can and should be listed as DB entries. For these in particular, I did search on them and saw either none or very, very few DB entries for the publications ("The Paris Review", "A Public Space", and "One Story"). <br />
:I will admit that the somewhat lazier and easy solution of adding the first publication in the Notes for these was appealing. I do get that this makes it harder to find those first publications in the DB, as you have to explicitly use Advanced Search for the Notes.<br />
:I will check out that help page on "non-genre publications" and see what it says, and circle back with you. If there is a definite direction that is preferable here, let me know. Thanks.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:57, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: We always prefer to add the source as long as it is eligible to be added (non-genre webzines and websites that are not non-genre are not eligible at this time so only notes can be added when they are the source). However - sometimes people do not have time to add them. Sometimes they do not know how. So we would rather have the notes than nothing but we prefer to have the actual source. <br />
:: These 3 specific magazines rarely publish genre stories - so of course we will have very few entries if any. Only genre content is eligible so we add an issue only if it has a genre story/content and only that content is listed. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?26452 The New Yorker] for the classic example :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:03, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::I took a look at the non-genre periodical help page. That does not look too onerous, so I'll do that over the next few days. We'll see how I do. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:33, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: It's easier than genre ones as you only add the stories we need (and you can use Editors of... instead of the real editors so a lot less research needed. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:26, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks. We'll see about the editors/Editors of....[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:33, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::Annie, One more question. I had created the title records for these stories as entries in the "The Best American Science Fiction and Fantasy 2021" at http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?859087 assuming that I would just add the story source in the notes. I was in the process of creating the specific magazines where they were first published. I would normally create the title records there for the stories and import them into Best American SF, but I have already created them. In the future, I can see it would be best to not list them in the Anthology until after they have been created in the original source. Would you recommend deleting them from the Best American SF and entering them in the non-genre publication, or is it OK to create it again assuming that the author and title are truly identical? That seems theoretically OK, but perhaps not and also fraught with peril. Sorry for not figuring this out sooner. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:57, 30 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::: Import them in the magazines. :) First change their dates though (import and titleEdit can be submitted in parallel). No need to delete and recreate it - once the record is created we can change the date and we can import everywhere else. When adding the magazines, add a note that you will be importing the story. Alternatively just add the story to the magazine as if it did not exist already and then we can merge them on approval. Either way will need a second step so pick your poison. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:36, 30 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::Thanks. I have no one to blame but myself. I think I'll do the import after changing the dates. That seems more fundamentally sound.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:43, 30 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::: You cannot plan for everything or you will end up 100 steps down a project and trying not to drown when you realize that yet another story has a previous publication. :) Both ways work - sometimes a quick merge is a cleaner way (I do that often in a case like this one). But either way works. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:39, 30 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::: Thanks for all the coaching here. I think I have the tp and it's contents done. I'll need to see if I can verify the contents of the other versions and clone or not.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 15:12, 7 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Time Traveller's Almanac ==<br />
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(Thought I'd left you a message about this earlier, but it looks horribly like I failed to save the edit)<br />
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Re. the message you left on my talk page a few weeks ago, I see both Amazon UK and Waterstones are now showing this in stock. Not sure when that happened, as they both still list the original Dec 9th date, but I see from Twitter that the Simon Ings Robots anthology that also got delayed was in circulation as of Jan 20th. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 10:34, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks for the udpate. Yes, I checked, and I see the same thing. I had reached out to Jeff Vandermeer, and also to the Head of Zeus sales staff. A friend had reached out to Head of Zeus in another fashion. We had all pointed out the inconsistency of the cover information "100 stories" vs. the known table of contents. We never got an answer from anyone. I still deeply suspect the listing on the cover is incorrect and the TOC is the same as ever, but we won't know until someone has an actual physical copy, as so far there is no ebook copy with preview. I'm not going to buy one solely to find out, and I don't know anyone who will. I think the Notes as currently stated (thanks for updating that) is as adequate as possible. If I ever find out it is different, I'll check back in for an update.<br />
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I do have to say that, after reading the TTA, with the 65 stories about time travel in some way, I was not really hungry for more of them from the Vandermeers. You'd have to really, really like time travel stories for that. <br />
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Best wishes and thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:54, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Nice Girl with 5 Husbands ==<br />
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Please see [[ISFDB:Verification_requests#.22Nice_Girl_with_Five_Husbands.22_by_Fritz_Leiber|this discussion]]. Based on the Internet Archive scan, I have changed the "Nice Girl with Five Husbands" to "Nice Girl with 5 Husbands" for your verified {{P|58431|Galaxy Science Fiction, April 1951}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:01, 25 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for taking care of this. Good job by Michael Main in catching that. I agree without reservation.<br />
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== Science Fiction: Stories and Contexts ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5488821 this submission]: Your moderator note is correct. Since this is a different excerpt it should be a new title and it should be entered with the author name used in the pub. And yes, the next steps are 1) edit the new record to add the excerpt source and translator; and 2) use the "Make This Title a Variant" option 2 to variant it to a new record under the canonical name. Let me know if you need any help with that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:57, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:My thanks for setting me in the right direction. I am not sure if this is just a mental block on my part, or confusion over something that I don't do very often, or a combination thereof. Regardless, thanks for the help, and I hope to get it right and finish off editing this volume very soon, without much more intervention.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:15, 21 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Clock That Went Backward ==<br />
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Concerning 1881 short story "The Clock That Went Backward" by Edward Page Mitchell:<br />
We have eight remaining publications as {{t|93690|The Clock That Went Backwards}} (with final 's'), which has been the parent title until yesterday. Six are primary verified including two of your verified anthologies. I hope you will check them: BACKWARD or BACKWARDS?<br />
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(The new story title notes are already out of date. I will update probably this fortnight.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:52, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Also, can you confirm or deny for your 2000 and 2003 edition the front cover image Amazon now provides as 2019 --which matches what your two publication records now display? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:58, 11 March 2023 (EST)</div>
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<div>{{welcome}} [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:19, 28 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Mathcing illustrations ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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When you find an INTERIORART record which matches a COVERART one, you should connect them as variants :) For example, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4756555 here] - if the cover matches what is on page 8, you should variant them. Let me know if you want me to do it or assist with instructions. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:00, 13 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Annie,<br />
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:my thanks for that, as I did not know that. In this context, I was a bit vague here, and I can see I'll need to be more specific in the future. The interior illustration was not an exact match or excerpt of the cover, but rather a somewhat different view but showing the same tombstones as shown on the cover. With this info, I'll keep an eye out of matches that need a variant identification.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:40, 13 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Suspected so - so I did not connect them and instead left you a message so you know for the future (in case they match exactly). Thanks for adding the notes in all these magazines. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:50, 13 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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It is my pleasure. I have been cataloging my SF magazines and using ISFDB as a source for correlating info, and I realized that occasionally there was fairly minor info in ISFDB that was either incorrect or incomplete (mostly volume numbers, cover illustration attributions, etc). I am both attempting to be very, very careful and to learn how to do this without making trouble for others.<br />
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I do have one question. When I looked at the Wiki on "how to update verified records" (or something like that), it mentioned that I should notify the primary verifiers even on minor edits. I did not see any obvious way to do that when submitting a suggested edit. Am I missing something?<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:57, 13 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
: You go to their Talk page (click on their name, then on the "Discussion" tab and then press the plus sign (read the top of the page though - some editors have other preferences on what to notify them). We had changed the policies a bit lately -- so minor changes like the ones you are making are ok as is (we have "Changed PV" list where the moderator note shows up so you are good (very good idea to write them)-- but anything a bit bigger, you should post on their pages. Hope this makes sense. Use your common sense on when to notify. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 13 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The covers wording ==<br />
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One note on your replacements - if the text says "Cover illustration untitled" and the magazine is PVed, it means that there is no name for the illustration in the magazine. When you replace it with "Cover illustration for XX" and drop the original statement, you are removing data from the primary source (aka the magazine). So instead, use something like "Cover illustration untitled; it is for XX" or "Cover illustration for XX (untitled in the magazine)" or something along this line - which clearly explains that there is no credit in the magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:07, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Got it. Thanks for the coaching. Will do.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:32, 15 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: One more thing. I will go back, using my edit history, and revise these entries as you suggest. I could be wrong, but I believe I can do this. I'll let you know when I'm done, as it may take a while.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:50, 15 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::The submission you can see on the Edit History does not have the previous text (a known limitation of the system) but if there is an edit before yours, the old text will be in that one so you can see it there :) If there is no previous entry (we do not have one for very old edits), then it is what it is -- we did our best. I hope the reasoning for the change makes sense. Nothing too problematic even if not changed; it just makes a bit more sense not to lose known information :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:55, 15 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Page numbers ==<br />
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In cases like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?698105 this one] you can safely drop the values after | (and the | itself) unless you have two items on the same page. When we have actual pages, they serve both as values to show and values to so sort by :) Not that what you did is wrong but if there is ever a typo discovered and someone needs to edit, that someone will be very confused. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:40, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:The issue I struggled with was that some of the stories were in the wrong order and had the wrong page number. Upon looking at the ISFDB help areas, this seemed like the most likely way to resolve this. <br />
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:In the future, I may ask for advice before doing the actual editing, as I'm still not clear how else I could have gotten this corrected.<br />
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:Thanks.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:39, 15 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: The easiest way to think of it is that "200|200" is the same as "200" - we show the first value, we sort by the second. The wrong order may be because someone added from a source that had a wrong order - it happens. So when you have a real paper book in your hands, you do not need | at all -- unless you have two entries on the same page. The | syntax is for ebooks and audio books - the ones that do not have real pages or for cases where we simply do not know the page numbers (and for the cases where you have two or more items on the same page - rarely in books, a lot more common in magazines (or poetry collections) :) If you ever have questions, just ask. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:59, 15 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 23:25, 15 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Astounding ==<br />
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Hi. Please consider making yourself a primary verifier of those issues of Astounding where you added information to the notes. None of the original verifiers has been active in quite some time. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:27, 20 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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MartyD, thanks for the suggestion. I do have time and interest, and do like to make things better, which is how I first got into updating/adding cover story information for some of the ISFDB magazines. I can certainly go read all of the help pages that discuss primary verification. However, before I jump into this, I have two questions up front:<br />
1. What does it mean to make myself a primary verifier?<br />
2. How do I make myself a primary verifier for an issue of a magazine? (I'm guessing this is something I could figure out without too much work, but I'm already asking you one question, so I'll add this too).<br />
Thanks,<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:20, 20 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: A PV means that you have the magazine at hand and you had checked the information we have about it in the DB against the magazine itself. Here is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:Verify the help page] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_verify_data How To]. When you verify, if someone has any questions, they can come to your page (this one here) and ask you about what is in the DB and what is in the magazine - that is why Marty mentioned that most of the other PVs are inactive -- we cannot ask them for clarification if they are not around :) It is a simple radio box (using the "Verify This Pub" menu on the left menu on the publication). Please feel free to ask any questions you may have. And thanks for all the updates! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:09, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Annie, thanks for the explanation. I have definitely had the magazines at hand, although for many of them it has been easier to refer to the scanned versions on Archive.org or on Luminist.org. (and there are some where I don't have the paper magazine, but only access to the scanned versions). I assume that we can treat those as essentially the same thing? <br />
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My only other concern is the extent to which I would be verifying the magazine info. To date, I have definitely been verifying all of the info that I have been updating, and the data that was related to that (like cover story titles, for instance), but I have not been verifying the entire magazine contents. I could definitely go back and do that, but would prefer to finish my current pass on updating the cover attributions, just to stay organized. I could either wait to verify the entire contents and then add myself as a verifier (preferred) or add myself as a verifier now and come back to finish verification. I would appreciate your advice on this.<br />
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Thanks and best wishes,<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 13:07, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: That's a whole new can of worms - which we had had multiple discussions about. Some people verify based on scans (the notes should ALWAYS explain if that is the case). Some don't. I personally do not consider a scan to be the same as the magazine/book so I would update based on a scan and explain it is from a scan but I would not PV. We had been discussing a new type of verification based on scans (as we have more and more of them) but it never panned out (yet).<br />
: Do things in your own schedule/pace. NO hurry. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:27, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Annie, one more question. When I get to updating from scans for magazines I do not physically own, you mentioned that it would be desirable to note that the information came from a scanned copy. Is there any need to note the origin of the scanned copy, such as archive.org or luminist.org? Not a hurry on this - I probably won't get to this for a week or two, at least.<br />
Thanks<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:21, 31 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Up to you how much information you want to add. If the scan is available officially, adding a link to it in the Web Pages field of the magazine may be the best course of action in addition to the note. Then just mentioning that it is from a scan is enough but if you feel like identifying the scan, it also works. Think of the next person who sees the record - if you were opening the record, would you like to know where the scan is? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:52, 31 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: Great. I'll do that. One question regarding adding a link to the actual scan, to a "official" site such as archive.org or Luminist.org. Has anyone been doing that and what has the experience been?<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 10:44, 1 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: In what regard? The Web Links section on the publication was added to allow us to add links to pages about the books (or with the books foe scans from libraries and the like). As long as the link is to a legal site, adding it is ok. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:00, 1 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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Annie, thanks.<br />
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Boy, that is a can of worms. I just spent about 2 months cataloging my almost 800 SFF magazines and then re-filing them horizontally to avoid wear/bending. This cataloging is actually what led me to start editing the ISFDB entries, as I noticed errors (a very, very, very few) and omissions (especially on the cover story attribution). I am sorry, but I'm not planning on getting them out again for this. I will admit that I get there are scans and scans - I am especially suspicious of some of the earlier Astounding "scans" I've seen, which appear to be from microfiche or something of that nature. Those are hard enough to see and read that I would not verify from them. However, 99% of the scans I've seem appear to be good enough for me in terms of completeness and readability.<br />
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If this ever changes and using scans for verification becomes acceptable, I would be happy to take on verifying.<br />
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Pending any definitive direction on that, I'll continue to use the scans and will reference the scans as the source of info. Would it be appropriate or desirable to reference the detailed source, such as "scan of August 1945 Astounding on Archive.org"? If you have any examples of how this should be done, I would be interested. I will go back and reference the scans on all the magazines I've used them for.<br />
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Thanks for all your guidance and enthusiasm.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:33, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Yours is a different case though. If you have the physical magazine, you still can verify, using the scan as a reference - if there is a disagreement, you still have the magazine to pull (even if it takes time). You do not need to have the magazine on your desk while verifying -- it is really a "I have the magazine and can check it if really needed". In reality a scan usually has all we need - except things like exact size for example or anything that did not scan well. So in your case, I would verify without a second thought. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:38, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks. That is helpful and under those circumstances I will be happy to add myself as a primary verifier when I actually own the magazine. I'll probably finish my current run of editing the cover attribution to clarify if there is an explicit source for the info, as previously requested. I will then go back and add myself as a primary verifier.<br />
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That probably (without adding them up) leaves several hundred issues of Astounding/Galaxy/F&SF/Amazing/If/etc that I edited for added cover attribution solely on scans, without personally owning them. I will mention on them that the cover info attribution is from scans.<br />
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I may have mentioned this, but I really appreciate the guidance on how to do ISFDB in a helpful fashion. I really do want to make things better, but don't want to screw up what is working and do want to work within the system.<br />
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Best wishes<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:51, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: You are always welcome :) We work as a team here - if you ever have a question, just ask - someone WILL help sooner or later. :) And sometimes you step in gray areas and we have lengthy discussions - community ran projects are like that. :) Plus it is easier to try to steer new editors than deal with the old patterns of the old hands :) You are doing fine - most of the suggestions you are getting are of the "your work is great, here is an idea of how to improve a bit" variety. So it is easy to post recommendations. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:58, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::Hi, sorry about somewhat sporadic availability. But you're in good hands with Annie! One additional point about making yourself a primary verifier: Think of it more as an "I have this publication" than "I have painstakingly gone through every bit of data and matched it against my pub-in-hand." While we certainly like the latter, it is much more useful for the community to know you can be a resource for questions. So do as thorough or cursory a "verification" as you are able and care to do. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:00, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
MartyD, thanks also for your insights and guidance on what it means to be a primary verifier.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:20, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) AnnieK, I have finally gotten back to the question of adding links to scanned copies of Astounding. These scanned copies are at either archive.org or luminist.org (mostly archive.org). I see a few (2 perhaps) examples such as this in the March 1930 Astounding Notes, of a link to archive.org:<br />
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The full text and images of this edition are available at The Internet Archive.<br />
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With a live link in the original.<br />
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From what I took earlier from you, the web page feature is more aimed at sites about a specific publication, and not so much for links to scanned copies.<br />
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Accordingly, my plan is to add similar live links in the Notes to specific Astounding issues from either archive.org (my preference) or luminist.org (when there is no archive.org copy).<br />
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I would appreciate your feedback before I get started.<br />
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Best wishes,<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 15:48, 26 December 2020 (EST)<br />
: Reorganizing this a bit so it is clear who is responding to whom. :) The full text of the issue is exactly what we have these links for (they are for pages about the issue/book and pages containing the issue/book) - in a way a scanned issue is "a page about the issue" more that a page about it is. The links inside of the notes are for things like crediting an artist based on another site or something along these lines. So add the text but instead of incorporating a link, add the link in its proper field. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:01, 26 December 2020 (EST)<br />
Ok. I'll add the text, and add the link to the Web Page field in the Edit form. I am planning on doing this for all the Astoundings I can find on archive.org (or luminist.org if not on archive.org), so it's really good to get it right to start with. If this goes OK, I may do the same thing for Galaxy, F&SF, etc. Best wishes<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:05, 26 December 2020 (EST)<br />
I did finish updating the Astoundings with links to archive.org (mostly) and Lumnist.org (a few where there was no archive.org), along with an update to the Notes. Next, I think I'll do the same for Galaxy. Best wishes and thanks again for the coaching.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:53, 9 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== In this issue...Coming next month ==<br />
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Hi Dave, when entering a title that is common across several publications (here magazines), but that have different contenst, then you'll need to disambiguate them by adding the Magazine's title between parenthesis, lest they risk being merged into one single record. I've done a few as an example, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2802430 here]. When approved, will you go back in and submit these disambiguations? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:15, 21 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:Now that you mention that, I see what you mean in other entries for F&SF, Analog, etc, for these kinds of repetitive and perhaps non-exclusive titles, such as might appear in any SF magazine. I also see the entry on this subject in the Help Wiki. Looking at the entries that I see, I assume that an entry like this would be acceptable, "Coming soon (F&SF, January 1971)". Yes, once I confirm I have it right, I will be back and separately revise the ones that have already been submitted and accepted, etc. I don't know if there are any still pending, but it would be more straightforward for me to go back and edit those entries after the pending edits have been approved for now, compared to re-submitting all of them).<br />
:Thanks for the coaching.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 15:06, 22 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:: That's exactly what I wanted to hear :) And you have it understood correctly. I have approved the submissions that I had on hold. Don't wait to submit the update, otherwise you may risk having someone merge all these identical records, and then you'll have to submit an unmerge first before you can correct the titles. For clarity's sake, you know you can either edit each individual 'In this issue...Coming next month' title record, or alternatively update the title by editing the pub record? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:56, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
I'll get on that today. I like the idea of doing the pub record edit, but I have not done that and will need to read up on that. I know the format I need to follow is pretty much "(F&SF, XX, XXXX)" for the month and year. Does the pub record edit accommodate that, or would I still need to edit each by hand to get the correct month and year in the title record?<br />
Thanks!<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 13:19, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
: No automatic adjustments (the system does not know what title will appear in other magazines) so you will need to add the correct differentiator manually. Please note that it is not always "Magazine, Month Year" - it is usually the publication title as is. For magazines with longer names, shorter versions are acceptable. Most older magazines already have a few essays with the correct titles so look at them and use the same differentiator inside of the magazine for consistency. :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:18, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:: I've done an example for you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2802430 here]. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:48, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
My thanks to both of you for the coaching. I should be able to get this done (all the prior F&SF issues edited to reflect this on the "Coming soon", etc, title entries) by tomorrow at the latest.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 15:37, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
::: One more trick. If you go to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/recent.cgi recent edits] page, scrolling down you should be able to find your approved edits (at around 2020-11-23 12:58:16 timestamp). If you then hold ctrl and click on each 'Affected Record' (last column) in succession you'll open new tabs (at least it works like this in Chrome) for each pub you'll have to edit. Makes it easier on the routine - of course, you could also use the regular search as well... ;) Have fun! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:09, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
I have taken care of these edits, along with getting my references to luminist.org changed to archive.org (I found out in archive.org that the F&SF issues were mostly there, just indexed in a non-obvious way). Now, I'll be moving forward from 1962. Thanks again for the coaching.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:53, 24 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Coming Soon et al. ==<br />
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Hello Dave, I've accepted all of your submissions, but you'll have to review all ''Coming Soon'' and similar titles, as you'll need to capitalize them. So not ''Coming soon'' but ''Coming Soon''. This because we standardize capitalization for all titles (per the capitalization rules for the language). You could use advanced search on titles to retrieve a list of all that you'll need to update. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:49, 28 November 2020 (EST)<br />
Thanks for catching that. I had read that, but then I managed to confuse myself and convinced myself, incorrectly, that the Contents page vs. title page title case governed. My bad, and thanks for accepting the rest. I'll get it right going forward, and I'll let you know when I have re-done these for correct case per ISFDB standardization. I will try the advanced search on titles, but we'll see about that. I have not had as much success with that as I have been hoping for. Either way, it will get done.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:05, 28 November 2020 (EST)<br />
I gave it one pass through, and am done with updating the case on those records. I'll re-search to ensure I have not missed anything after the pending changes are approved. Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 00:52, 29 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== New Cthulhu 2: More Recent Weird ==<br />
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I had to reject [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4848830 this submission]. We already have a record for the {{P|505445|tp version}} you are trying to create. Please edit that version instead (which is a different version than the ebook you were cloning). Let us know if you have questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:29, 7 December 2020 (EST)<br />
Thanks for catching that. I sure missed that entirely - an unfortunately too human moment! Yes, I will edit the tp version to get the complete TOC and get them in the right order for the tp.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 10:38, 8 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== If/Worlds of If ==<br />
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I'm currently approving your submissions with the web page reference for on-line versions of the magazine, but I have to say that if you were not going to specify the particular link to the individual issues, it would have been simpler and adequate to go to the heading for the series of magazines and enter the link there. What you've done is acceptable, but not the best way to have handled giving users of the website information about the magazines. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:22, 20 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Bob, I need a some help here. Looking at my Rejection Log, you rejected a number of these Worlds of If edits with the link to individual issue scans between 1952 and 1960 or so. Your comment was "Put the link in: link descriptor."<br />
::I need some help on what that means, especially given that the suggested edits all included links to scans of specific issues.<br />
::Thanks.<br />
::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 00:46, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::I think Bob was expecting this link to be in the notes as an HTML link. He seems to have overlooked that you put them in the web page field (which is the correct location for them). As Bob has not responded in the last three days despite being active, I will un-reject the edits and approve them since they were valid. There is no point in making you do it all over again. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:15, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
Thank you. I appreciate your insight and your help.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:45, 24 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: If they are not to the exact issue of the magazine, they should really not be in the publication links - that's what title and series web pages fields are for... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:30, 20 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::My thanks to both of you for the guidance. Every single link added to all of these magazines by me has been specific to the issue. Among other reasons for doing this on a per issue basis are a) many people I know are looking for specific issues, and b) for most (if not all) of the SF magazines I have done this for, there is not a single source for the magazine that is complete, well organized and easy to search, and with a desirable interface for access. This pretty much drives the decision to do it on an issue by issue basis. <br />
::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:25, 20 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Non-genre magazines ==<br />
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They do not get a cover record or a cover image UNLESS it illustrates our contents (think of Playboy and how many SF stories are there - while we do not have issues with covers of our books that are risque, cataloging these would be sending a wrong message so the decision was taken to treat non-genre magazines in a special way compared to any other publication) :) So I pulled it out from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?821593 here]. And I did the yearly record update (changing the date and the title) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:41, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for setting me straight on the cover record. I'm sure that info was somewhere. sorry. On the yearly record update, thanks. I believe you mentioned that this would be created automatically (maybe I'm wrong) when a 2nd issue for 2019 was added. Am I confused?<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 13:48, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: No worries on the cover. Common oversight :)<br />
:: Let me try again: When you create the magazine, the EDITOR record is created with the title and the date of the issue you just added. So if it is the first for the year, we need a rename+redate TitleUpdate post approval. If it is a second or later issue for the year, we need a merge to bring it to the others. You will notice that unlike other records, an EDITOR does not have "Add Publication" and Clone does not allow a title change - so if you go for clone instead of a new+merge for later issues in the same year, then you need to rename the new issue once it is approved (the clone is useful for things like the ebook/webzine double formats or paper/ebook double formats). There is always a second step with magazines. :) Hope that made more sense now. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:55, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks! That is very helpful. I'm guessing after I go through this a bit it will become obvious to me. I will be referring back to this. I was kind of wondering if cloning would be useful for adding, say, the November 2019 Nightmare, which probably shares a lot of content and format with the September issue, or if it was better to just start from the beginning and be careful? Seems like a style difference, and it does seem like it is a more obvious choice for different printings/versions of the same publication. Any thoughts on cloning vs adding for the November Nightmare issue?<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:02, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: But it is not the same contents - they are different stories and essays (and if some are named the same, we still differentiate with the issue title if it is different contents) - remember that Clone will also bring in the contents of the issue, not just the data at the top. So start over :) If you clone, you will need to then remove all the contents and add the new ones... hardly useful. If it is a new issue, you add New. If it is a new format for an existing issue, you use Clone. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:23, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Notes and clones ==<br />
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When there is a note such as "Publication date from Amazon.com as of 2015-09-03." in a book you are cloning from, you want to remove that line for a new book - you are setting/checking the publication date as of the day for the NEW record you are creating when you are adding the record - so the as of will match your "data as of" statement. The reason why the book you copied from had that line is because the rest of the data there came from a real copy but the date itself is not printed there and was added based on Amazon at that specific date. Hope this makes sense. I had been cleaning up the lines as I was approving your clones. Thanks for doing them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:22, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for letting me know. That was niggling at me a bit. One of my theories was that I needed to preserve the earlier info for a data trail, per se. But no. I'll do that in the future. When I'm citing that I have used info from Amazon and the kindle preview for an ebook, does it make any sense to note that the info is per the date I am doing it, or should I just leave all that out? <br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:26, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: You do preserve the old dates and notes if you are editing an existing publication; you do not if you are creating a new one where it is not relevant and does not belong to the record you are making. When you are cloning you are creating a new book - you can add "data from the paperback edition" or something like this if this is where you are sourcing for example but the history of our record of the paperback edition is kinda irrelevant.<br />
:: Yes - using "Data from Amazon.com as of TODAY_DATE" is a good practice. Then if someone corrects something, they can add the changes with "as of" as well making it a lot clearer of what came from where. It belongs to THIS record that you are now creating. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:32, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Don't forget the | for the pages on non-paper books :) I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?822052 here] and added the Narrators, Audible ID, ISBN and length - and removed the Recommended essay that is not in it as per your note. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:49, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: And fixed the price: remember that we want the List price, so in this case: $41.99 :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::::Got it. Thanks, and I will continue to do better. My goal is always to just have it approved without more work.<br />
::::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 13:57, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: New formats are hard - :) You are doing fine -- the DB can be... interesting. That's why I am noting and explaining what I am changing. As always - if something is unclear or does not make sense, let me know. Thanks for working on these! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:13, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Slate, April 30, 2018 ==<br />
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You create a chapbook when a story is published on its own and not part of a different publication; when it is in a magazine/collection, you create the magazine/collection - regardless if the story is already in the DB or not. I fixed the type [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?822415 here] so now you can import the story -- and I also fixed all the other yearly records for Slate while I was there (the two new ones were edited and the existing ones got their other entries merged into them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:29, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:So, I should have created the magazine issue for Slate for a specific date, but left it with no contents, and then imported the story. Please confirm, as I'd like to get this right in the future for all of the other issues/stories like this, as there are certainly more. <br />
Thanks for taking care of the yearly records for Slate; I'm sure I'll get to trying to do that some day, and I'll keep the guidance and we'll see how I do. <br />
: Best wishes and thanks for the continued guidance and mentoring.<br />
: PS - when I get it back from the library, I'll be adding a good new novel which is definitely genre (fantasy perhaps?) but not currently in the DB. I'll go back and re-read all the guidance before doing that.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:42, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Yes. Or add the story and then we will merge. :) When it is a single story, either way works - there is always a second step - import or merge - so either way is fine. If you are adding contents to an anthology, importing is way better because if you add them otherwise, we will need to merge every story, one by one. <br />
:: Compared to magazines and anthologies, novels are easy. Still, do not hesitate to ask. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:22, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:27, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Title date after publication date ==<br />
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When you see a message "Title date after publication date" when you are importing (or cloning) like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4908242 here], you should also submit a change of date for the title record, with a moderator note that an import is pending so we know why you are changing it if the import is not approved yet. I am doing it now as I am approving ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4908257 for example]) but keep that in mind for the future. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:00, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: Thanks for letting me know. I was expecting to do that, and I was wondering if you were taking care of it. In the future, I will note that in the Moderator notes.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:04, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Sometimes you get the friendly moderator who does them, sometimes you do not. The two updates are not clashing so as soon as you see the warning, just submit the re-date as well -- that way the moderators know that they do not need to. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Got it. I certainly don't plan on relying on that. Will do. Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:08, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4908984 Now I am bored...]. No updates needed after this one. :) <br />
:::: Let me know if you want a tip on how to merge titles with different titles so you can get the two 2014 issues together without the need to rename both (you still need to rename one of course) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:51, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::I will still need to deal with the 2017 issue also. Yes, I would love a tip on merging, I do not think I have done that. My thanks on all your patience here. I have only read 1 of the Future Tense fiction works (it was quite good), but I am sure impressed with the authors I know, and need to try the others. I am pleased to add these to ISFDB, as they are certainly worthwhile.<br />
:::::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 21:06, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::: Well, yes but you had done that before :) You need to do it on one of the 2014 issues as well :)<br />
:::::: Two ways to merge titles that do not come up on the duplicate check (if you go to any book, title or author, there is "Check for Duplicate Titles" links on the left menu with various settings that will find most of the similarly named ones - although the ones on titles and publications can find more in the aggressive option). When that fails, you have two options:<br />
::::::* Go to the author page. Find "Show All Titles" in the left menu. Now select what to merge, make sure you pick the correct title and date in the next screen :). <br />
::::::* If the author has more than one page of titles and the things you want to merge do not show up on the same page, go for Advanced Search -> Titles (which opens [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_selection.cgi?title this]). Build your scenario - it can be as easy as "Title1" or "Title2" or it can be "Title starts with Slate and Title Year is 2014" or anything in between. The goal is to get them to a merge screen - do no worry about not filtering enough -- you need the ones you want to merge on a single page so you can select them; any additional ones showing you just do not pick :) Then select the ones you want to merge and make sure you pick the correct titles.<br />
:::::: For magazines, the Author -> Show All Works as a charm (as long as the editor is not a major author as well of course). As always, if you have questions, just ask :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:15, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::Looks like DirkP got there first, so this appears to have been taken care of. That's it for Slate for today. Thanks for all the help.<br />
:::::::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:11, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Gehman's 'The Machine' ==<br />
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Thanks for the additional information on the story's first publication. I transferred it to its [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?74768 title] where it properly belongs (and I adjusted the date to the exact day that you found out about). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:35, 12 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for taking care of those corrections. I'll take note of that for the future, and attempt not to make the same mistake again.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:14, 12 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Page numbers and order==<br />
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When adding real pages (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?696934 here]) there is no need to do things like "407|22" - just put 407. :) If a mistake is corrected later, we can end up with things sorting weirdly (for example if it is discovered that this 407 is 408 and the editor doing the change does not understand what that 22 means, they will leave it as 408 only... and off it will go to the bottom). Trying to figure out why this happened can be... interesting :)<br />
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The system will sort based on the number itself if you do not add a | explicitly (think of 407 as a 407|407 essentially); add the | and value after that only when either you have two things on the same page or when it is an ebook/webzine (so you use it for ordering only) or when we simply do not know the page numbers (same as ebooks). Hope this makes sense. <br />
Thanks for fixing the order in this one! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:57, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Thanks for the help. I think I forgot that. I can see how that could cause problems.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:25, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::One more question on page numbers. I am in the process of importing the ebook "Sense of Wonder" titles into the tp version. I do not have a copy of the paper book, nor have I found a copy of the actual paper TOC with page numbers for everything. I do have one appendix in the ebook which does give page numbers for the fiction titles, but not for the essays or author bio essays. I am thinking that there is no point in adding the page numbers only for the fiction titles, but I am interested in your opinion. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:35, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Just leave them with the page markers from the ebook :) If/when someone has the book, they can fix the page numbers. As long as everything is in order, we are good in this case. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:43, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::I thought so. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:47, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Audio books ==<br />
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A few more things about audio books:<br />
* We have a Narrator template :) <br />
* Audible IDs (from Audible.com) are external IDs, if it is from another Audible, the link goes into Web Pages<br />
* Modern digital audio books have ISBNs (not all but the major publishers and the last couple of years do). Three easy ways to find them:<br />
** If the Audible ID does not start with B, it is ISBN10 - so convert to ISBN13 and you are good. If it starts with B, the book does not have ISBN but you may check the rest of the sources (there are a few weird cases). But when I see one of those with B Audible ASIN, I generlly assume no ISBN and stop chasing it. <br />
** Kobo has the ISBNs (Search by title and make sure you grab the one for the audio and not the ebook). If it does not start with 978/979, we do not want it (they use 123 IDs for internal purposes when no ISBN is there; these are not ISBNs and we do not record them).<br />
** The publisher site. <br />
** Careful if you find an ISBN on a library site - some publishers have two ISBNs and two separate versions of the audiobook - one for public consummation and one for libraries. The library ones won't show up in Amazon/Kobo but will show up in OCLC. It is ok to add both - just do not add the ASIN and Audible ASIN to the second (add OCLC number instead) :) <br />
* We want the price list. So in Amazon, you see two radio boxes: "Buy with Audible Credit" and "Buy with 1-Click"(or something like that). Not the button - just the radio box. When you switch to the latter, the list price appears. You see something like this (from the book linked below):<br />
** Buy with 1-Click $29.39<br />
** List Price: $41.99 You Save: $12.60 (30%)<br />
* Alternatively, get it from Audible: For example: "Regular price: $41.99; Member price: $29.39 or 1 credit" - you want the regular price. Or get it from the publisher site (if they are different, publisher site wins, the note specifies that this is where the price is from and you can add Amazon/Audible price in the notes<br />
I made these changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?827166 this one] so you can see there how these are used. Do let me know if you have any questions :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: A few more things:<br />
:* As the cover is the same, you could have left the checkbox clicked on the Clone screen - I merged them :)<br />
:* The Intro is there - Audible's sample (very useful occasionally - you can listen to it from Amazon or Audible and unlike ebooks samples, you can stream it without getting it first (so unlike your kindle (client), your Audible one does not get cluttered by these) starts at the film and TV section of it :) So I cleaned up the note. Thanks for adding this one! :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:25, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I will make a note of all of these things, and do better next time. On the cover, I felt that the cover base image was the same, but the overall image was a bit different. Not that important.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 10:41, 9 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: If you never worked with those, some of these are not that easy to figure out (which is why I explained my usual process with audio books - hopefully it is useful:) ). <br />
::: Yep - in which case we have one COVERART title but different images inside of the publications. For art we variant for changes in language, title or author form but not for different borders, colors and so on. So even if in black and white, this would have been merged again. Or mirrored. Or like here when it has the red borders. Hope this makes a bit more sense now. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 9 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::I see. Thanks. I'll note that for the future, and hopefully get it right.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:31, 9 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Erewhon (Sense of Wonder Excerpt) ==<br />
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Does the book say "Erewhon (Sense of Wonder Excerpt)" or does it say "Erewhon (excerpt)" or something else (about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2842119 this one]? Unlike essays, we never add the book name into excerpts UNLESS the title is printed that way in the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:42, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2842121 this one] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2841873 this one] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2841889 this one]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:43, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks for the guidance. I assume that the other properties are enough to uniquely identify each excerpt. I missed that. I had added the "Sense of Wonder" to the titles of the excerpts to clearly identify that they were different versions. I will change them all back without the "Sense of Wonder" on the excerpts.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:04, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Even if they do not, we just do not differentiate them (And we do not merge them if we are not sure they re the same). Just different rules across different types (yep, it can get confusing) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:21, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: The full part of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Title help page] is: "Excerpts. Sometimes an excerpt from a forthcoming book will be printed at the back of a book. This should be treated as short fiction. If the excerpt has a different title that the work from which it is excerpted, use that title. Otherwise, use the title of the excerpted work, but add " (excerpt)" to the end; e.g. "A Feast for Crows (excerpt)"." - and yes it applies also to books that are already published :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:21, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks for steering me right. Making corrections now.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:23, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::: Dave, (excerpt). Not (Excerpt). :) I will approve and fix... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:27, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:Darn. Got it now. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:29, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Sense of Wonder - two more questions ==<br />
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1. After editing the "excerpt" titles, I'm seeing an number of entries like this, "The Last Man (excerpt) • short fiction by Mary Shelley (variant of The Last Man (Sense of Wonder Excerpt)) [as by Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley]", where the listed variant is of the old, incorrect title. I am assuming that I inadvertently created the variant here. What do I need to do on these?<br />
: Yep - because when there is a parent because a pseudonym was used (someone created them to assist you), you also need to change the names of the parents now. Click on these weird titles and submit a new edit to fix their names now :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:16, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I will do that. Does this also mean that I'll need to do a merge to get rid of them after making them the same?<br />
2. For the non-unique essay titles (author bio and others), I created them all as "XXXXX (Sense of Wonder)" to differentiate. Do I need to go back and edit all of these to "XXXXX" only?<br />
Sorry for the complications. Thanks<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:50, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Nope - the essays with common names DO get the name of the book at the end to protect them from merging. Excerpts don't. One of the oddities of the DB. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:16, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::Great. With all of this, after I deal with this and a few other issues (there are still a few outstanding alternate names), I will be close to being done with the ebook edits. Once I get there on that, I'll import the titles into the tp. This has been an interesting learning experience for me. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:00, 13 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Reversing these variants ==<br />
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These can be done with a single edit per title. <br />
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Let me explain with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2842405 this one]. Get the title "Sense of Wonder". Go to Advanced search -> Titles ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_selection.cgi?title here]) and paste "Sense of Wonder" for Title and modifier exactly. It will find the results [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=Sense+of+Wonder&C=AND&USE_2=title_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title here]. Find the two we are trying to reverse. On the next screen:<br />
* Select the the Author you want to stay (the longer one here)<br />
* Where is says "title_parent", select the empty and not the number. <br />
When this is approved it will leave a single title where we want it with nothing to delete, rename or fix :) The second point above is important - if you leave the Number and not the empty, it will loop on itself (not that we cannot clean it after that but it defeats the purpose of the single edit idea). <br />
Let me know if something does not make sense and try with this one title. Once it works, you can do it with the rest - just use the different exact title in the Advanced Search :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:10, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! I should have asked you for this. I now see your advice on this in the "rejection", and I will proceed with doing this first.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 15:01, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. See - 1 step only. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:45, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks. If I can't figure out what to do next, I'll check in and ask.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 22:09, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Well - you know how to do the variants of the ones that do not have the variants in the wrong direction (it will always be Option 2 for this author) and all the reversals will be exactly like this one. So you should be all set. But if you need help, just yell :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:12, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== "Science Fiction in Western Europe (Sense of Wonder)" ==<br />
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Hi, my best guess is that the suffix '(Sense of Wonder)' is superfluous [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2842155 here] and should be removed: it only should be indexed if it's printed in that way as heading for the essay, or if there are several titles 'Science Fiction in Western Europe' by Sonja Fritzsche. (And it's standard procedure for a generic title like 'Introduction', 'Editorial' or 'Afterword'. See also the last bullet under the sub-section '''Title''' [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles here]). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:25, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Good point. You are correct. Most of these had "Sense of Wonder" appended due to duplication with other titles with input by AnnieMod, but this one does not. I have submitted a correction. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:46, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:04, 26 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you. I sure tried to be organized and methodical on this one. However, with about 375 entries, I appreciated all the help I could get.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:45, 26 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Galaxy 1963-10 ==<br />
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Cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58633 this issue] is credited to Dember, but the same but differently cut cover art of [https://www.flickr.com/photos/161053216@N03/51301915361 Galaxie #1, Mai 1964] is clearly signed R McK, that is, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27543 Richard McKenna] (not the writer). [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 11:08, 20 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I have checked my paper version of the October 1963 Galaxy. It is clearly listed as "Dember" on the contents/copyright page for the cover. I agree that it is the same image as is used for the Galaxie #1 (Maie 1964). I don't have a paper version of the Galaxie issue. The version I see online here at ISFDB does show that area of the cover that is omitted from the Galaxy cover, but the scale and resolution are not enough to see what the signature looks like. I do see that the flickr version linked to appears to show a Richard McKenna signature, but I was unable to find a version online that I had confidence in. Dember and Richard McKenna both did covers for Galaxy in this era. I don't see enough clearcut evidence to make a change here. You could put this to the moderators and see if they have a better idea. Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 00:30, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::If you click on the Galaxie link above, and click again on the image to enlarge it, you see a signature R McK, with an M which has a horizontal upper bar, and with a very small c. The best certified McKenna signature I can find right now is [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XdnoBZR0U1pFgYET9uokZWvlhvWvy-KJ/view here], it opens a PDF for the whole If 1967-03 magazine, with signed cover and attribution on the contents page. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 06:36, 23 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::Thanks. I agree with you that the certified McKenna signature on the 1967-03 IF magazine does look like the signature on the online version of that cover illustration. At the same time, I would still be somewhat cautious about this. I would suggest editing the Notes for the October 1963 Galaxy to something that suggests that the cover may be by McKenna and not Dember, but that the lack of a paper version of the Galaxie cover makes it somewhat ambiguous. I would leave the Cover Artist noted as Dember.<br />
:::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:46, 23 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Littlest People (Galaxy March 1954) ==<br />
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The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58568 isfdb entry for the March 1954 issue of Galaxy SF] lists 2 interior illustrations for the story "The Littlest People", though the story in fact only contains one. Just leaving this note to let you know that I'll rectify this issue soon. --[[User:Rreett|Rreett]] 17:08, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for noticing that and taking care of it![[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 20:19, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Talk pages vs User pages ==<br />
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Please be careful when leaving messages on other editors' pages - you want the discussion/Talk page, not their user page. I moved your message for C1 from their user page to their [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:C1#Year.27s_Best_Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy_2017 Talk Page]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:30, 10 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:Darn it. My bad. I'll remember that next time. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:54, 10 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: No worries. Our links on the PV table put you on the user page (I've asked for that to be changed already) and if they had not filled in something in there to make you realize you are on a user page, it can be a bit confusing so it happens occasionally. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:50, 10 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 10:59, 11 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Meditation ==<br />
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There is an active PV on one of the books on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5151829 this update]. So before we change the title, please check with them. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:12, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:I did check with Markwood, and he was OK. See bottom of his usertalk. http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood <br />
:In hindsight, I should have checked with him first? Thanks.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:10, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Yep - first check with the PV, then submit it with a note that you checked with the PV as well :) Approved. Otherwise all I can do is to put it on hold until the PV responds or we determine they won't (in which case we will still correct but a note will need to be added so it is clear that the PVs did not verify that story title). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:19, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Great. I'll do that. Sorry.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:53, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Contributor's Notes (The Best American Science Fiction and Fantasy 2021) ==<br />
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We use the author name Anonymous when this is how the text is credited verbatim. When you want to say that there is no credit, we use "uncredited" (and we use "unknown" if we suspect that there may be a credit but the secondary source we have has no information about it). So [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2949834 this one] is definitely "uncredited" and not by Anonymous :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:01, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:I knew that. Thanks, and I'll try to get that right next time.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 10:14, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Non-genre sources ==<br />
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You know, these non-genre sources are eligible to be added here. "A Public Space, December 2020" for example - as a non-genre periodical ([http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Entering_non-genre_periodicals Help page] on how we add these). Or issue 270 of "One Story". Or Paris Review. If you want to add them instead of just notes that is. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:48, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:I had taken a look around at those situations and there seemed to be a lot of non-genre sources handled in the Notes. I do see and agree that non-genre sources with a history or pattern of genre stories can and should be listed as DB entries. For these in particular, I did search on them and saw either none or very, very few DB entries for the publications ("The Paris Review", "A Public Space", and "One Story"). <br />
:I will admit that the somewhat lazier and easy solution of adding the first publication in the Notes for these was appealing. I do get that this makes it harder to find those first publications in the DB, as you have to explicitly use Advanced Search for the Notes.<br />
:I will check out that help page on "non-genre publications" and see what it says, and circle back with you. If there is a definite direction that is preferable here, let me know. Thanks.<br />
:[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:57, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: We always prefer to add the source as long as it is eligible to be added (non-genre webzines and websites that are not non-genre are not eligible at this time so only notes can be added when they are the source). However - sometimes people do not have time to add them. Sometimes they do not know how. So we would rather have the notes than nothing but we prefer to have the actual source. <br />
:: These 3 specific magazines rarely publish genre stories - so of course we will have very few entries if any. Only genre content is eligible so we add an issue only if it has a genre story/content and only that content is listed. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?26452 The New Yorker] for the classic example :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:03, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::I took a look at the non-genre periodical help page. That does not look too onerous, so I'll do that over the next few days. We'll see how I do. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:33, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: It's easier than genre ones as you only add the stories we need (and you can use Editors of... instead of the real editors so a lot less research needed. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:26, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks. We'll see about the editors/Editors of....[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:33, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::Annie, One more question. I had created the title records for these stories as entries in the "The Best American Science Fiction and Fantasy 2021" at http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?859087 assuming that I would just add the story source in the notes. I was in the process of creating the specific magazines where they were first published. I would normally create the title records there for the stories and import them into Best American SF, but I have already created them. In the future, I can see it would be best to not list them in the Anthology until after they have been created in the original source. Would you recommend deleting them from the Best American SF and entering them in the non-genre publication, or is it OK to create it again assuming that the author and title are truly identical? That seems theoretically OK, but perhaps not and also fraught with peril. Sorry for not figuring this out sooner. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 17:57, 30 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::: Import them in the magazines. :) First change their dates though (import and titleEdit can be submitted in parallel). No need to delete and recreate it - once the record is created we can change the date and we can import everywhere else. When adding the magazines, add a note that you will be importing the story. Alternatively just add the story to the magazine as if it did not exist already and then we can merge them on approval. Either way will need a second step so pick your poison. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:36, 30 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::Thanks. I have no one to blame but myself. I think I'll do the import after changing the dates. That seems more fundamentally sound.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:43, 30 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::: You cannot plan for everything or you will end up 100 steps down a project and trying not to drown when you realize that yet another story has a previous publication. :) Both ways work - sometimes a quick merge is a cleaner way (I do that often in a case like this one). But either way works. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:39, 30 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::: Thanks for all the coaching here. I think I have the tp and it's contents done. I'll need to see if I can verify the contents of the other versions and clone or not.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 15:12, 7 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Time Traveller's Almanac ==<br />
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(Thought I'd left you a message about this earlier, but it looks horribly like I failed to save the edit)<br />
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Re. the message you left on my talk page a few weeks ago, I see both Amazon UK and Waterstones are now showing this in stock. Not sure when that happened, as they both still list the original Dec 9th date, but I see from Twitter that the Simon Ings Robots anthology that also got delayed was in circulation as of Jan 20th. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 10:34, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks for the udpate. Yes, I checked, and I see the same thing. I had reached out to Jeff Vandermeer, and also to the Head of Zeus sales staff. A friend had reached out to Head of Zeus in another fashion. We had all pointed out the inconsistency of the cover information "100 stories" vs. the known table of contents. We never got an answer from anyone. I still deeply suspect the listing on the cover is incorrect and the TOC is the same as ever, but we won't know until someone has an actual physical copy, as so far there is no ebook copy with preview. I'm not going to buy one solely to find out, and I don't know anyone who will. I think the Notes as currently stated (thanks for updating that) is as adequate as possible. If I ever find out it is different, I'll check back in for an update.<br />
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I do have to say that, after reading the TTA, with the 65 stories about time travel in some way, I was not really hungry for more of them from the Vandermeers. You'd have to really, really like time travel stories for that. <br />
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Best wishes and thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:54, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Nice Girl with 5 Husbands ==<br />
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Please see [[ISFDB:Verification_requests#.22Nice_Girl_with_Five_Husbands.22_by_Fritz_Leiber|this discussion]]. Based on the Internet Archive scan, I have changed the "Nice Girl with Five Husbands" to "Nice Girl with 5 Husbands" for your verified {{P|58431|Galaxy Science Fiction, April 1951}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:01, 25 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for taking care of this. Good job by Michael Main in catching that. I agree without reservation.<br />
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== Science Fiction: Stories and Contexts ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5488821 this submission]: Your moderator note is correct. Since this is a different excerpt it should be a new title and it should be entered with the author name used in the pub. And yes, the next steps are 1) edit the new record to add the excerpt source and translator; and 2) use the "Make This Title a Variant" option 2 to variant it to a new record under the canonical name. Let me know if you need any help with that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:57, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:My thanks for setting me in the right direction. I am not sure if this is just a mental block on my part, or confusion over something that I don't do very often, or a combination thereof. Regardless, thanks for the help, and I hope to get it right and finish off editing this volume very soon, without much more intervention.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:15, 21 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Clock That Went Backward ==<br />
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Concerning 1881 short story "The Clock That Went Backward" by Edward Page Mitchell:<br />
We have eight remaining publications as {{t|93690|The Clock That Went Backwards}} (with final 's'), which has been the parent title until yesterday. Six are primary verified including two of your verified anthologies. I hope you will check them: BACKWARD or BACKWARDS?<br />
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(The new story title notes are already out of date. I will update probably this fortnight.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:52, 11 March 2023 (EST)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Markwood&diff=657564
User talk:Markwood
2023-03-11T23:46:11Z
<p>Pwendt: /* The Clock That Went Backward */ ok</p>
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== The Other Passenger by John Keir Cross ==<br />
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Thanks for adding new content to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?242461 this pub]. Your submission was accepted with some minor changes. For prices use the dollar sign, e.g. $2.75 in this case. Also when adding new content such as stories, the new records created by the update will have to be merged with any existing records for the same stories (there were title records for 8 of the stories you added). I'll do that and you'll see the results on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?John%20Keir%20Cross John Keir Cross's summary page]. Thanks again, and welcome to the ISFDB. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:17, 1 Jan 2008 (CST)<br />
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== ESPer ==<br />
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Your submission was accepted, a correction was made to the price entry. All prices need to start with a currency symbol, and prices in cents need a leading zero, e.g., $0.35.--[[User:Rkihara|Rkihara]] 18:56, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Conditionally Human ==<br />
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I accepted your submission updating the cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7847 this pub], and notified the verifier. It is ISFDB policy that an editor notify the verifier when a change has been made in a verified pub. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Ellison Wonderland '' ==<br />
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Thanks for correcting the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?LLSNWNDRLN1984 Bluejay Books edition of ''Ellison Wonderland '']! I have approved the submission and massaged the data in this publication, so it seems to be OK now.<br />
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One word of caution: if you edit an existing title in the Contents section of a collection, anthology, magazine or omnibus, it will affect that title in ''all'' other books and editions that the title appears in. Sometimes this behavior is desirable, for example if you are correcting a typo and the correction applies to every edition that we have on file. However, in this case it would mean that 'Back to the Drawing Boards' would replace 'The Forces that Crush' everywhere, which is presumably not what we want. This a common issues that all new contributors run into and we plan to change the behavior of our software to make it more intuitive, but for now we follow the workaround described in [[Help:How to change a story in a collection]]. Thanks again for the submission! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:17, 10 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== LCCN placement ==<br />
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The LCCN should be placed in the note field. The Catalog #/ISBN field is used only for the ISBN or the catalog numbers of pre-ISBN paperbacks. I've adjusted the change you made to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25253 this pub] accordingly. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 05:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Synopsis field ==<br />
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The synopsis field is used for a brief suimmery of the plot of a story or novel. Comments such as "Per Acknowledgments in 'Shot in the Dark' (p 310), reprinted from 'Wanted: Someone Innocent' (Pony Books Edition) by Margery Allingham Carter, 1946. Contento also lists 1946 as publication year." should be placed in the notes field. Thank you. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 21:06, 2 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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The same thing happened in {{T|91756|Who Is Charles Avison?}}, and i again moved the "synopsis" of "Originally published in an April 1916 issue of Argosy, per Contento (1st edition, p 572.)" into the notes field. I do thank you for these detailed and useful notes, but do please put them in the note field in future. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:32, 2 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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The same thing with {{T|75152|The Bronze Parrot}} by {{A|R. Austin Freeman}}. But here there is another oddity. I have read most of Freeman's work, and little if any of it qualifies as speculative fiction. Handling Non-SF contents in SF anthologies or collections is a bit tricky, and opinions vary on the best way to do it. But some indication of non-speculative status should generally be recorded. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:DES: thanks for cleaning up my edits. The Freeman story, 'The Bronze Parrot', does qualify as speculative fiction. A milquetoast churchman finds a small bronze parrot, and is unaware that it immediately changes him to an intimidating bully. When he finally returns the parrot to the museum which lost it, he returns to normal. At the end we learn the parrot was the totem of an Ashanti War Chief whose war chant translates as, "Foreign slaves revile me. Why?".<br />
::You are welcome. Since I left this msg, i found the story in the collection ''The Great Portrait Mystery'' (via PG Australia) and i quite agree. There is another story in that collection that is basically a ghost story. I'll have to see about entering it. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 21:11, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== DW? ==<br />
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Hello - when updating {{p|4094|The Best from Startling Stories}} you added the note "per DW front flap, 'Jacket illustration by Alex Schomburg, copyright 1952, by Better Publications, Inc.'" I approved the update but what's the or a DW? --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 06:56, 30 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: I would guess "Dust Wrapper", aka "Dust Jacket"? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:13, 30 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks - that makes perfect sense. I updated the publication to spell out "dust wrapper" and found three other pub records that also used DW which I expanded. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 04:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 1964 Ballantine edition of ''Star of Stars'' ==<br />
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You may not have run into it yet, but when we make changes to verified publications, we generally leave messages on the verifier's Talk page so that the verifier can make sure that the changes match his copy. (In a small percentage of cases it turns out that two editors have two somewhat different editions.) I have approved the addition of Richard Powers as the cover artist to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?182401 1964 Ballantine edition of ''Star of Stars'']and, since it was already verified by [[User:Kraang]], left him a note on [[Adding Images/Notes to Pubs Verified by Kraang]]. Thanks for editing! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: I think Ahasuerus meant [[User talk:Kraang/Changes to Verified Pubs]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 04:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Men Against the Stars ==<br />
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The submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297271 this new pub] was accepted, but a few changes were made. I copied the catalog number that you had in the notes fields into the ISBN/Catalog No. field, and the contents were entered based on the reference in Tuck. A couple of questions: Tuck gives this a 1957 date, and gives it 191 pages. Can you double check the page count before I do a Tuck-verification of the record? Also if you have a copy, please add the page numbers for the stories. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:According to [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2398051 OCLC record 2398051] this was published in 1957 and has 191 pages (both agrees with Tuck). It also says that "Pyramid Giant G234" is printed on the cover. Does your copy agree with this? [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I just found this [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/15863672 OCLC record 15863672] which has the same date and page count as your copy but it only lists seven stories. We need to reconcile the ISFDB records with Tuck and OCLC. I added a cover scan from Bookscans website. Does it match your copy? Also, does you copy have a statement that it is a second printing? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:01, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Gollancz edition of ''Blood and Burning'' ==<br />
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Do you know which stories are included in this edition of the Budrys collection? Thanks. Also, I removed "uncredited" in the cover artist field. That field remains blank if the artist is not credited in the book. If there is a visible signature, or a secondary source you can place that name in the field and place the source in the notes. Otherwise leave the field blank. See the artist section of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#General_contents the entry standards]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:01, 17 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Arthur Sellings' "The Transfer" ==<br />
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I accepted the submission which updated [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98459 this title record] with a note saying that it was not in the collection. Contento and Tuck disagree, but they do make an occasional error. I will accept a submission which removes it from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TMTRNSFRBB1956 this pub record], but will ask that you do a primary verification on the pub in case someone should come along and try to add the story back based on Contento and Tuck. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 06:25, 2 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Stories from Outer Space ==<br />
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I approved the update to {{p|33346|Stories from Outer Space}} but am puzzled in that you changed the note from<br />
* Page count and place of publication from OCLC record 6033507.<br />
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* Page count and place of publication from OCLC record 6033507. Page count verified by my copy of book <br />
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Someone looking at this record will not know who "my" is.<br />
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Does your copy not state the place of publication? Per what's at [[Template:PublicationFields:Publisher]] it looks like it would be better to:<br />
* Change the publisher name to "Chartwell Books" to remove the city name.<br />
* Update the note to say "OCLC record 6033507 reports the publisher as 'Secaucus, NJ: Chartwell Books.'" --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 08:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Coverscan of "The Other Worlds" ==<br />
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I noticed your third effort to upload the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:TOTWRLDS1941.jpg coverscan] for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TOTWRLDS1941 The Other Worlds]. Nice scan btw. There seems to be one step in the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki procedure] you haven't found yet, step 6: ''Once the file has been uploaded, the image's wiki page will appear. In order to get the URL (address) for the image you just uploaded, left click anywhere on the image and copy the URL from your browser's address window. (Or right click on the image and choose "Copy Image Location".) If you're adding a cover image to a pub record, this is the URL which you would enter into the pub record's "Image URL" field.'' After this edit is approved, the scan should be visible on the publication page. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 06:29, 11 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Since you haven't responded, I added the link. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 06:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Code ==<br />
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I am going to approve your update of {{T|903496|Code}} but the comment of "Copyright attribution in Sterling's collection 'Visionary in Residence' says, 'first appeared in Men Seeking Women: Love and Sex On-line edited by Jonathan Karp, Atrandom.com, 2001.' " belongs in the note field, '''not''' inn the synopsis field. I will move it. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 06:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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A similar issue occurred with {{T|903499|The Necropolis of Thebes}} where I moved text from the synopsis field to the note field. Please remember that the Synopsis field is for a brief plot summery of a novel or story. Thank you for your contributions. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 06:36, 6 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Complete Novel=Serial ==<br />
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The ISFDB gives any novel that is published complete in one issue the SERIAL title type. Yes, this may first appear to defy the meaning of "serial", but keep in mind, when authors sell a work's "serial rights", it simply means that it will be published in a periodical as opposed to a book, not that it will necessarily have to be split into multiple issues of that periodical. The ISFDB uses the SERIAL type accordingly, and then makes it into a variant of the canonical title record, which contains publications of the story in book form. If you look at the title record for the Budrys novel [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?606861 here], you'll see that it contains three publication records. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SATLTSFOCT1956 first one] is it's "serialization" in a single issue of ''Satellite''. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MANOERT1958 second] is its book publication by Ballantine. And the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RNGXMTVJCB1962 last] is a translated serialization (in one issue) of an Italian magazine. The two serializations have been made variants of the book title which we consider the ''canon'' title of the work. If the book publication ("Man of Earth") had retained the same title used in the magazine publication ("The Man from Earth"), and if we made the magazine publication into the NOVEL title type (which your submission would have done) then we would have a novel title record "The Man from Earth" which is a variant of another novel title record "The Man from Earth", an untenable situation as it would be natural to merge these two records. So those persons who designed the database (not me) decided to make all magazine appearances into SERIAL title types, regardless of the number of issues in which it appear. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:27, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Notes in ''The Kid from Mars'' ==<br />
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Hi. I just accepted your edits to {{P|272837|A Kid from Mars}}. It sounds as if you actually have the book. In cases like this, where the notes indicate the entry was constructed from secondary sources, it's ok to remove/revise the notes where the source of the data is now the publication itself. For example, the note talks about the year being from Worldcat, but you've found the date on the copyright page (and you've added a note to that effect). Other than the fact that this corresponds to OCLC #1806888 (which should be kept in the notes), most of the first two sentences are no longer relevant if you have the publication. Does that make sense? Absolutely no harm in erring on the side of keeping things and/or following an add-only policy, but I wanted to be sure you know it's ok to do more than that in this situation. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:00, 1 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Harrison's introduction in ''Best SF 1970'' ==<br />
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Just a note that I accepted the addition of page numbers to the first US edition of this book, but converted Harrison's "Introduction" from a review to an essay. I also merged it with its counterpart from a later printing and set up a variant title for the retitled version of the intro in the Sphere edition. Thanks for editing! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Pre-decimal British currency ==<br />
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I accepted your change to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?320679 this pub], but reverted the price from "6s. 0d." back to "6/-", which is the form we use here on the ISFDB for pre-decimal British currency. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:35, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Non-Fiction vs. Essay ==<br />
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Hi. Approved your addition of {{P|339043|Seven for Space}}, but I changed the types of the two introductory pieces from NONFICTION to ESSAY. We use NONFICTION for book-length works, and ESSAY for shorter pieces. You will rarely (if ever) have a case where you would set a content entry's type to NONFICTION. The distinction isn't obvious unless you've studied [[Help:Screen:EditPub#EntryType|the help]]. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:16, 28 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Foundation's Edge ==<br />
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I approved your edit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?224597 this pub], but then cloned it, because mine was obviously a second printing. Also moved my verification, and deleted the note about the 2nd printing. I would have appreciated a message on my talk page. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 11:51, 31 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Variant dustjacket for ''Travelers of Space'' ==<br />
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I've responded to your message to Gilgamesh on his talk page, but I just noticed that you'd uploaded the Binkley image by using the replace image method. So the Cartier image no longer links to the pub, the one you replaced it with (the Binkley art) is now displayed in the pub record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TRVLRSSPC1951 Travelers of Space]. In the future, don't use the "Upload new cover scan" link if the images don't match. This link is to upload a better scan of the image than the one that's currently displayed in the record. If you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:TRVLRSSPC1951.jpg the wiki page] for the image, you'll see it is credited to Edd Cartier, who was the artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/archive/2/25/20110116205657!TRVLRSSPC1951.jpg the image] you replaced. I could revert these changes but the image you just uploaded (the Binkley artwork) may be lost. If so, you'll have to upload it again, using [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki the other method] of adding images to the server. I'll let you know if I can save it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:03, 16 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I may have the artists of the two images confused. Is the blue one by Binkley and the red one by Cartier...or the reverse? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:05, 16 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::go ahead and delete the Binkley image I uploaded, and replace with previous Cartier (red) jacket. apologize for the hassle. {{Unsigned|Markwood}}<br />
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:::No hassle, but you should sign your comments with four tildes - <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> :). I've reverted the image to the Cartier art, reloaded the Binkley image and linked it to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52251 the pub record's note field]. Please add further notes to the record detailing what you know about each of the two dustjackets. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors: A Search for Who We Are ==<br />
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I'm not sure if this title would be covered under the current policies about inclusion in the database. Was is your rationale for adding it? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:13, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:This nonfiction book appears consistent with the other nonfiction books already listed for Sagan. It, too, is 'popular science', this time focusing on human evolution and biology. I'm just trying to fill in a missing title in a catalogued body of work. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]]<br />
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::Your submission doesn't credit Sagan as the author, only Ann Druyan. Those other books by Sagan are in the db based on their being reviewed in an SF magazine. I don't think we need to add every book every written by a scientist who wrote only one work of SF, but I'll allow the submission if you'll update it, giving Sagan credit. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I've accepted the submission making the following changes based on the OCLC record: Changed the ISBN from "0-394-534881-6" to "0-394-53481-6", added the roman-numeraled pages, and added Carl Sagan as the co-author. If this matches your copy of the book please do a primary verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?342401 the pub]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:07, 31 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Bradbury Chronicles 2 ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?353078 this new pub] but removed the publication series in which you placed it. This is a title series and is already in the pub's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32112 title record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:39, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:According to the OCLC record, the cover art is by Dave Gibbons. Are you certain that Bruce Jensen is credited as the artist? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Yes, cover art for the hardcover edition is by Bruce Jensen, per back of dust jacket: 'Cover illustration by Bruce Jensen'.<br />
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== Bradbury Chronicles 3 ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?353079 This record] was accepted, and like the one above, I removed the publication series data. Also there's an error in how the cover artist is credited. If the cover art is a collaboration between two people each person must be credited in their own field. Press "Add Artist" to enter additional credits. Did both Timothy Truman and Steve Fastner create the cover art? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Yes, both artists are credited on back of dust jacket: 'Cover illustration by Timothy Truman & Steve Fastner'. Thanks for reminder about entering each artist separately. (Doh! :)) I'll fix the database record.<br />
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== ''The Inheritance'' by Robin Hobb (and Megan Lindholm) ==<br />
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Your note to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340301 this pub] states that Lindholm is credited as the author on the back cover. The ISFDB standard is to use the credit as given on the book's title page, because occasionally cover credit differs from title page credit. Can you confirm that the book is credited to both Hobb and Lindholm on the book's title page? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:00, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Because of non-response, the submission was accepted, but the change in author credit was reverted to the original credit. If you feel this is in error, please leave a message here. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:22, 1 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Never at Home'' ==<br />
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Hi. To answer your question about {{P|354889|Never at Home}}'s publication date.... Start with what does the book say? If that doesn't help, then look for secondary sources. Here, if I go to [http://www.aqueductpress.com/ Aqueduct Press], I see they have "prerelease" pricing for orders before Aug 1, which sort of reinforces an August publication date. But if there were no information, then you might go with a July date based on your purchase. Regardless, I would include in the notes that you purchased a copy 2011-07-19. Unfortunately, being able to buy it doesn't necessarily say anything about the official publication date (other than it's somewhere near then).<br />
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A secondary comment: If you edit an entry whose notes claim Amazon (usually from Fixer or Dissembler -- two web crawlers) or any other secondary source as the source of information, you should delete that note, since now you are working off of the book. You'd only leave the note if there were some data elements in the entry that were not in the book and still came from the secondary source. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:54, 21 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gutter code on ''The Best from Universe'' ==<br />
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The gutter code is probably "O01" (the letter O followed by two numerical digits "01") in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35736 this pub] which would indicate a printing in the first week of January 1984. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:42, 21 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Creating line breaks in notes ==<br />
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If you want to make a line break in the note field, a simple keyboard return won't do it. You'll have to use HTML. Just add '''<nowiki><br></nowiki>''' at the end of the line before you start the next. If you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44191 the record] you just updated, you'll see that all the data you entered into the notes are on one line and that it butts up to the previous one (with the LOC permalink). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:04, 22 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The New Atlantis'' ==<br />
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I approved the submission adding the page numbers to the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44578 this publication]. Since the introduction starts on an Roman numbered page, you should also add those to the page count. Also, I noticed that OCLC gives the page count as vii+182 while the LCCN gives it as just 180. Can you confirm which one is correct? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Last page with text is numbered 180. There are 8 (viii) pages before page 1, with the 1-page intro on page vii. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:44, 23 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for updating the record. Please do a primary verification when you get the chance. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:19, 24 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Wrinkle in Time'' ==<br />
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The submission adding a record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371155 this printing] of the title was accepted. There is no evidence that this was ever a selection of the SFBC. The definitive list was supplied to the rec.arts.sf.written newsgroup by SFBC editor Andrew Wheeler in 2003, and this title was not on the list. There is no doubt however that this edition was published by Doubleday for any number of their book clubs. When there is no direct evidence that a Doubleday printing was a selection of the SFBC, we give the publisher as "Publisher / BCE". Can you check to see if the words "Book Club Edition" are printed at the bottom on the front flap of the dustjacket? There is also enough evidence to date this to at least 1969. (A new FSG trade edition, using the Ariel Books imprint, was published in 1968 and at that time, book club editions usually appeared between 6 and 12 months after the trade edition.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:33, 26 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:The dust jacket on my copy has both top & bottom corners of front flap clipped. Probably did have 'Book Club Edition', given other evidence (no edition/printing on copyright page, apparent book club number '2021' on bottom of back flap, blank back jacket), but can't verify. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:21, 28 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I've made adjustments to the record that it's a BCE and dated it 1969. If we can later confirm that it was a SFBC selection, the record can be corrected. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:32, 28 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Best of F&SF ==<br />
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This is a title series, not a publication series. I've removed it from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35674 this publication record]. The series was already in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34184 the title record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:27, 28 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== F&SF 30 Year Retrospective ==<br />
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I linked the Amazon cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43491 your verified record] of this title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:38, 2 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Adventures in Time & Space'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission correcting the price of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?245825 this record]. Is the $2.95 price printed on your copy's dustjacket? I need to note that the price given in Tuck is incorrect. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 3 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, price in upper right corner of front flap of dust jacket is '$2.95'. Guess Tuck was rounding up. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Adventures in Tomorrow'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the editor credit and all interior pieces in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367503 this edition] are given to Kendell F. Crossen? The OCLC record credits the full name, but their older records may not be as reliable. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:28, 3 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Far Boundaries'' ==<br />
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You should leave a note on the other primary verifier's talk page that you made some substantial changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13206 this record]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:31, 3 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== How to... ==<br />
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Click on the Wiki "Help" link and you're carried to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents this page]. There's a link for "How to..." Clicking on that will carry you to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to this page]. I would suggest bookmarking this page, as it has links to almost every function you will probably need to know in editing the database. There's a link here on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to merge titles]. This will teach you how to merge the two separate title records for the same Ken MacLeod story. If you have any questions, please leave a response to this message. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:26, 8 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== 30 Years of MFSF ==<br />
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Hello, I spotted a faulty page numbering in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43491 this pub]: Bretnor's Schimmelhorn story is catalogued on p. 2009 and I guess it should be - for example - p. 209. Could you take another veryfying look? Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:34, 12 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
: And while taking another look: the stories by Boucher and Disch both begin on p. 273 in this pub? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:42, 12 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Good catch. Thanks! There were 2 typos: '2009' was supposed to be '209', and '... Saint Aquin' starts on 294. I submitted the edits. Really appreciate you finding the errors and letting me know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:24, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::No problem: we all do the occasional typiung (see?) error. I was just linking the German publication of the anthology. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Storm Over Warlock ==<br />
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Hello, I had to reject your modification to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298713 this pub], instead of modifying the record for the first printing, you should have created another record for what seems to the second printing. You can do this via the "Clone This Pub" item in the "Editing Tools" menu on the left of the screen. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 22:15, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:OK. I submitted the clone edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:27, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Approved, thanks (you also can do a primary verification now). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 22:32, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Disambiguating titles... ==<br />
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...should be done with parentheses, not brackets. I've corrected the title of the introduction in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15122 this record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:45, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Serial LCCNs ==<br />
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Concerning your note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48409 this record] about a duplicate LCCN. This is called a serial LCCN because it's assigned to newspapers, periodicals, and book series, so that each successive volume can be grouped by librarians. I discovered this a few years back when I was working on other series like ''Universe'', ''New Dimensions'', and ''Orbit''. You may have already been aware of the usage, but I thought I'd let you know just in case you may have believed the duplication to be an error. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:05, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Good to know. I'll re-edit the Galaxy Readers I've verified to use this terminology. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Eyes of the Overworld'' ==<br />
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There was a discussion about this title years ago (I tried to find it, but my Wiki search skills have failed me) in which the conclusion was to keep [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2033 this title] a novel and not a collection. It may have been because the individual works had been "fixed-up" to form the novel, or that the work was published as a novel instead of a collection. I really can't remember. If you want to begin a new discussion on one of the community pages, leave a note on the talk page of each of the verifiers. I'll hold your submission until the outcome of that discussion. I can't accept it as it is right now because you left the pub type as a novel. Now that we have the ability to import contents it would be easier than it was years ago to convert each of the pubs to a collection type and then import the contents. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: I also can't find the original discussion, if it still exists. My own comment [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_05#The_Eyes_of_the_Overworld_:_Novel-.3Ecollection here] gave one reason not to rework them, but this may be a sign that we really need to look at beefing up "based on" links. In the copious free time that Ahasuerus and I don't have. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 02:34, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::If it was decided, then please ignore my edit and leave as novel. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:06, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's possible that the main reason for keeping it as a novel was because of the difficulty in converting records. Software changes have made that much simpler. I see that two of the constituent pieces ("The Cave in the Forest" and "The Manse of Iucounu") were first published as a single piece ("The Manse of Iucounu") and another one ("Cil") was original to the book but subsequently published as a separate piece. The other pieces appeared serially in F&SF over the course of a few months (12/65-7/66). So that may be why the book is considered a "fix-up" novel instead of a story collection. If you don't want to initiate a discussion (things aren't so set in stone that they can't be changed), you can cancel the submission. I'll leave it in the queue and leave the decision to you. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Frost & Fire ==<br />
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I added a number of items to the notes section of a pub you verified, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13592 Frost & Fire by Zelazny. [[User:Biomassbob|Biomassbob]] 01:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Gateway to Tomorrow ==<br />
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Quick question: is "Mus'''ue'''m Press" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15122 this record]'s Notes a typo? Also, should the publisher be "Museum Press" rather than just "Museum"? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:41, 20 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:yes, those were typos. Thanks for pointing them out. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:45, 21 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== No Boundaries ==<br />
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I added some words to the notes section of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287050 No Boundaries that appear on the page opposite the title page to the effect that the book is a first edition, not a reprint. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:10, 14 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover credit for ''The 7th Annual of the Year's Best S-F'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your updates to {{P|34945|The 7th Annual of the Year's Best S-F}}, but the cover art credit likely needs fixing up. We don't credit designers unless there's no other credit (in which case, we're sort of assuming the designer is the artist). If this cover is essentially a photograph, I think the credit should be solely to the photographer, recording the designer in the notes as you have done. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:59, 6 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Importing contents ==<br />
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I accepted the submission to add contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?353078 this record], but the better approach would have been to import the contents from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45925 this record]. This would have saved someone the trouble of having to merge the records you added to the ones that are already in the database. Before adding contents to a record, you should first check to see if another record has the same contents, or even ''almost'' the same contents, and then use the "Import Contents" function. You can always go back and make changes, or add and delete records, so that it matches your copy of the book. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:30, 25 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== <i>Star Wars: A New Hope</i> ==<br />
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I've approved your edit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32742 this pub], however you'll need to revise the entry for the page count. The Introduction you added to the Contents is on page "v" however at present there is no Roman numeral page count included before the pages. See the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages EditPub] Help page if you need information on how to do this. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 06:55, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:good catch. thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:50, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== BCE of ''The Last Space Ship'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission to create a record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?393348 the book club edition] of this title, but wonder where you got the publication date of 1949. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:54, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Didn't know how else to enter it, other than by setting 'year' field to 1949 (matching the copyright date, which in BCE was switched to Roman numerals, perhaps to confirm that edition's copyright was also 1949), and adding comment to effect I didn't know for sure. Is there a standard for handling situations like this? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:32, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes. <br />
::#If the publication doesn't specify a date of publication, you can use a secondary source, which you should record in the note field. <br />
::#If you can not find a secondary source for the publication date, you can use the copyright year, but only if you're certain that this is the first printing of the first edition. You still should note that the book is not dated and you've had to resort to the copyright date. <br />
::#If you're not certain that the book is the first edition, or you're certain that the book is '''not''' the first edition (as in the case of a book club edition) and you have no secondary source for the publication date, you should enter 0000-00-00 in the publication date field, which will be displayed as "date unknown".<br />
::Please remember that, in most cases, it's not the edition/publication which is copyrighted. It's the work which is copyrighted. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:07, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::I accepted the date change to 0000-00-00. In doing so, I noticed the publisher is recorded as "Frederick Fell" instead of as "Frederick Fell / BCE". While trying to dig up a help reference for that, I found only "/ SFBC" is mentioned for Science Fiction Book Club editions, with no mention of treatment of other book club editions. Guess I will go bring that up and see. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:09, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::As far as I know this was not a selection of Doubleday's Science Fiction Book Club, which was founded in 1953. That doesn't mean they could have reprinted it several years later, but no sources give this title as a SFBC selection. Tuck doesn't give a book club of this title at all. It is the IFSDB ''de facto'' standard to use " / BCE" at the end of a publisher's name if the words "Book Club Edition" appear on the book, and it's uncertain that it was a SFBC selection. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:04, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I added " / BCE" to the publisher on this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:42, 21 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Dating titles ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68196 The City on the Edge of Forever]: The ISFDB records the date of first publication of a work, not its date of writing or the date of its production (if it's a play, teleplay or screenplay). So, I'm rejecting the submission to redate this piece to 1966 based on the author's assertion that it was written in that year. We may need to determine if it was first published in 1976, as that is currently the only publication we have of the work. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:16, 30 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::OK, on that basis 1976 is correct date. Both of the intros, by Elwood and by Ellison, are explicit that this is the teleplay's first publication in this, its original unedited form. Thanks for clarification. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: Seventh Series - Data Check ==<br />
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I was doing a verification of {{P|258503|The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction, Seventh Series}} and I found a few errors that might also be errors for your record copy of {{P|35695|The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction, Seventh Series}}. Could you please check the title of "Lyric for Atom-Splitters', is it with or without a hyphen between Atom and Splitter? Is "Journey's End" listed with or without an Apostrophe?, and Lastly, is 'Full Circle' listed as by Dorothy Cowles Pinkney, or Dorothy C. Pinkney? - I suspect that all three of these are small typos that have coasted through the database for some time. We can probably fix them all at once ... once everyone checks in. Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 03:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I did not update your verified pub, but some of the titles in your pub now have variants added. I recommend you double check your verification when you get a chance - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 21:55, 18 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::I checked these both in the first hardcover, and in the Ace paperback:<br />
<br> - 1st hardocver has hypen in Atom-Splitters. Ace paperback does not.<br />
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<br> - Both use 'Dorothy Cowles Pinkney'.<br />
<br>If these need to be corrected, could you please do that? I've not made this type of edit before. BTW, note that I deleted the listing for the Arthur Clarke essay 'Message to the Stars'. It is not in either publication. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:00, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Could you please double check on or about page 93. Is section V of Clarke's ''Venture to the Moon'', titled "Who Wrote That Message to the Stars? ...in Letters a Thousand Miles Long?" or is it titled "Watch this Space"? You see the 5 short stories that make up 'Venture to the Moon' were each previously published separately, and in some anthologies are listed as separate pieces, and in other as a single work. Take a look at the record for the book club edition {{P|258503|Best from F&SF Seventh}}. If it has the alternate title, that might be the only place it appears (Since the title record {{T|187572|Who Wrote That Message to the Stars? ...in Letters a Thousand Miles Long?}} is now orphaned and doesn't have any appearances at all). Otherwise if your book does not have that title, we should consider removing the orphan title from the database. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 14:41, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy 2012 ==<br />
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Replaced amazon scan and expanded notes for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383744 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:46, 11 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Caviar'' ==<br />
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I changed the price field in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?302577 this record] from "21s" to "21/-", the ISFDB standard of entering British shillings. If the price had been 21s/6p, it would have been entered as "21/6". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:34, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Yefremov's ''Stories'' ==<br />
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Are you certain that the cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33340 this publication] was also done by the same artist that did the interior art? Is he credited inside the book for its dustjacket (which you say your copy doesn't have)? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:37, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:On ABE there are images of the book with dust jacket. The dust jacket art is identical to the embossed image on the front board. The credit "designed and illustrated by ..." seems clear that G. Petrov is responsible for book design, which includes the artwork on front board and dust jacket. However, let's snap to whatever is ISFDB standard. Feel free to edit as appropriate. Thanks.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::In 99% of books in my collection, the term "Book designed by...", when credited on the book's copyright page, refers to the interior design of the book, not the dustjacket cover art. The ISFDB standard is to record credits as given. If you don't have the dustjacket, you can contact someone who does (perhaps the Abebooks dealers) to ask if they would check to see if the dustjacket art is credited. If you're unable to confirm the artist responsible, the field should remain blank. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:24, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK. Deleted the attribution for cover art. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:12, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Red Peri'' ==<br />
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If your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45971 this publication] is a limited edition, it is better to clone the record and create a new publication record for it, making any changes or additions to it, and then do a primary verification of that new record. If you choose to do this, then cancel the submission to update the record for the trade (not limited) edition. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:55, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, cancelled the edit, and will create new entry.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Third Galaxy Reader ==<br />
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You might want to double check your verified pub {{P|177793|Third Galaxy Reader}}. The work 'End as a World' listed by Floyd. L. Wallace, is listed as by "F. L. Wallace" in my book club edition. Usually these things are from the same printing plates (But sometimes they are not). I'm just recommending a double check. - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 02:48, 21 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Fixed. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:48, 8 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Better Than One", by Damon Knight and Kate Wilhelm ==<br />
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Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4246 verified publication] says that it was published without a dust jacket. This doesn't seem right to me. My copy has a dust jacket, which matches the picture of the book on that page and several other dust jackets on copies offered for sale, hence clearly published with the book. Of course it's possible that the book was published at Noreascon II without a jacket, and then later with a jacket, but that seems inconsistent with other copies available for sale. For example, [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=86398949&searchurl=isbn%3D0960314601 this copy] for sale has a dust jacket, and is not only signed bu the authors, but is inscribed by Knight, hence seems almost certain to have been purchased at the con and not later. [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=201840665&searchurl=isbn%3D0960314601 This copy] for sale on Abebooks has a dust jacket and includes the receipt for the book's purchase at Noreascon. Do you have any idea where the claim came from that it was published without a dust jacket? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 12:29, 9 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: I've deleted the note about it being published without a dust jacket. I added a couple of other minor notes. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 11:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::I think there are two different editions. See the printing history on the [http://www.nesfa.org/press/Books/KnightWilhelm.htm NESFA website]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 11:58, 13 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good edit, well documented. Thanks for catching and fixing. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I found the right person at NESFA who gave me some details about the printing history. In response to my question about the dust jacket vs. the green book alone, Tony Lewis wrote to me: "The book originally had the plain white dust wrapper. Sometimes this was removed when selling at conventions because it was believed this improved sales." I have added this note to the publication. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:34, 5 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::: And in case you're interested, this was in response to the following email question: <br />
::::: "In your web page about this book, you say of the Printing History:<br><br />
::::: "Text cover; No dust jacket or interior artwork. The front cover of the book has the authors' signatures embossed in gold."<br><br />
::::: But most copies of this book have a plain white, text-only, dust jacket. This includes copies which are fairly convincing about being purchased in the original distribution at Noreascon II. Am I incorrectly interpreting your phrase "No dust jacket"? Has the book always had that plain white cover, and that phrase just means there was no "professional, artistic" dust jacket? Or does it really mean that the original edition came with no dust jacket at all? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:41, 5 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Adventures in Time and Space ==<br />
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I added the cover artist to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?245825 Adventures in Time and Space]'' along with a note as to its source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 00:31, 13 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Whispers ==<br />
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Added cover scan and subtitle "An Anthology of Fantasy and Horror" from title page.[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 20:59, 15 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Sturgeon's ''Maturity'' ==<br />
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Is the "Postscript" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21721 this publication] for the entire collection or just for the preceding story? Whichever one it is should be added parenthetically to disambiguate it, e.g. "Postscript (Maturity)". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:03, 30 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== File uploads ==<br />
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Please keep your cover image uploads to no more than 150K in size and no more than 600 pixels at its longest side. Exceptions can be made for wraparound cover art, but otherwise you should stay within the prescribed limits. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:14, 2 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Yarbro's ''Cautionary Tales'' ==<br />
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Are the essays that you've added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6443 this record] entered ''exactly'' as they are titled in the publication (i.e. capitalization and punctuation)? If they are not titled at all, and all just a paragraph or two, it is not necessary to have created content records for them. A note in the pub record would have sufficed. <br />
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Also, you made a subsequent submission that made no changes to the record, only a "Note to Moderator" concerning the untitled poem. You should not make submissions that don't edit a record. In this case, you should have waited until the submission was accepted, and then made the necessary changes to the record. About the title of the poem, you should only title it ''exactly'' as it appears in the collection. If there is no title on the poem itself, but it is titled on the contents page or copyright page, or in the acknowledgements, you can add the title, but note the source of the title in the note field of the poem's title record (and the publication record if you wish.) If there is no title given at all, enter the first line of the poem ''exactly'' as given in the publication. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 08:51, 2 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, each of those essays has a title at top of essay, exactly as I entered them. The poem is untitled on page 207, but Contents page lists "An Indulgence" on page 207, so that must be its title. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:41, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Great. Looks good, although it might be a good idea to note the source of the poem's title so that any future primary verifier doesn't try to remove the title from the record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:24, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Jizzle'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19010 this record], even though you didn't provide a source for your data. I can only assume that you're working from the primary source, since you added the cover arat credit and the page numbers of the contents. If so, please let the moderator know that in the Note to Moderator field, and then do a Primary Verification of the record after the submission is accepted. If you're working from a secondary source, that source should be given in the Note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:14, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, primary verification. I entered a 2nd primary verification for the publication. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:22, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Flow My Tears'' ==<br />
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You made subsequent submissions to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14027 this record]. If I accept the second submission, all the changes you made in the first will be reverted back to the original data. It's important to wait for each submission that updates the same record be moderated. I'm going to go ahead and accept the second, but then I'll have to go back and return the data you added in the first. Please look at the record once I've finished to confirm that everything you wanted to note is there. I don't think it will be necessary to keep the note about the Abebooks.com dealer because you say that the ISBN is stated in the book itself. The number is invalid, even if it stated (it's a publisher error). The only way to get around that error message is to add a "#" before the number that fools the software into thinking it's a catalog number instead of an ISBN. I'll note this in the Note field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:03, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Whoah. Now you've made a third. This is going to take some time to figure out just what to keep and what not. Please stop updating this record until I've sorted it out. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:04, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's ready to be updated if you need to make any more changes. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:16, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:My sincere apologies for having you jump through those hoops. I didn't understand how your view of the editor worked, and I assumed each edit would make incremental updates. I won't make that mistake again. I reviewed the end state, and you got everything perfect. I see you also put "One Plus One Studio" in the "artist" field. I wasn't sure that a "Studio" would be considered an "artist". Thanks for that fix & clarification. And, again, thanks for sorting out the multiple edits. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:58, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: "Studio" or "Company" as Cover Artist is one of those things we've not settled. I'm frankly against putting a company in there - after all, filling the field with a new name leads to problems like the new "author" suddenly needing birthdate and birthplace etc. I've not complained too much about this before though, although I recall publications like some of Robert Rankin's - e.g {{P|112471|The Dance of the Voodoo Handbag}} where the author is actually the creator of an item that gets professionally photographed by someone else... we'll get round to sorting out the code in a year or two I'm sure. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 05:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Image file upload standards ==<br />
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I've noticed the last few cover images that you've uploaded are at 640 pixels. We ask that image files not exceed the height of 600 pixels (see the standards [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload here]). Please set your scanner and/or image software to this limit. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:19, 25 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Replacing image files ==<br />
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You seem to have had some trouble uploading a replacement file for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THDNGRTHMM1976.jpg this image]. Whenever you replace a file, you must clear your browser's cache, otherwise the original image is seen regardless of how many times you go to the publication record or the wiki page. Just hit your "F5" button (in most browsers) after you've replaced an image and you'll see the new image. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:40, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Doh! :) Thanks for explanation of what was happening. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:29, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Herbert's ''Direct Descent'' ==<br />
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I've accepted the submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10218 this record] and agree with your assessment that this should have been typed as a CHAPTERBOOK instead of novel. I've made the appropriate changes in this and all other publication records. A question: is Garcia explicitly credited with the cover art in your edition? My mmpb edition doesn't credit the cover art. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:12, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:There is no visible signature on the cover or any interior illustrations, and on the copyright page it says, "Illustrations copyright (c) 1980 by Garcia". Just an opinion, but it appears to me the color cover art is stylistically similar to the black-and-white interior illustrations. However, I'd appreciate if you edit the record to align with ISFDB standards in this situation. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:36, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::The copyright page statement is rather clear about the illustrations, but without an explicit credit for the cover art, it would be best to leave the field blank. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10216 UK edition] of this title retained the interior illustrations but had different cover art, which was explicitly credited. I'll remove the cover credit from this record until a time when a credible secondary source supplies further data. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== File exceeding limits ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THWNDRFLVS1895.jpg This file] exceeded the limits in both dimensions (800 pixels) and size (196 kb), so I reduced it to be within the ISFDB standards (no more than 600 pixels, and no larger than 150 kb). [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 08:21, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Conklin's Science Fiction Terror Tales ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes to Conklin's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29182 Science Fiction Terror Tales]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:23, 6 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Dreams That Burn in the Night", by Craig Strete ==<br />
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I corrected the spelling of two stories in the ToC of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11454 verified publication]: ''The Night Xenex Sanurian Took a Wallflower to the Prom'' had "Sanvrian" instead of "Sanurian", and ''We All Lived in the Warm Aquarium'' had "Live" instead of "Lived". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:25, 7 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:40, 10 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ESSAY vs NONFICTION ==<br />
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A short piece of nonfiction which is contained in a larger publication should be entered as ESSAY. The type NONFICTION is reserved for book-length works. I've changed several introductions (e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?81624 this one]) which you've entered as NONFICTION to ESSAY. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:21, 8 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for the tip, and for fixing those into listings. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:42, 10 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Notification request ==<br />
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Please don't post any messages on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs this page] without reading the notice. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:10, 11 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== A Treasury of Science Fiction - Conklin ==<br />
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Can you check your copy of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1319? Mine has a cover price of $3.00 on the dustjacket and you list $3.50. Variant, perhaps?[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 05:24, 23 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Was a typo. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:26, 31 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::The original price probably came from Tuck. I added a note about the difference. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:06, 31 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Best Science Fiction and Fantasy of the Year: Volume Seven ==<br />
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Hello, I've replaced the amazon scan and changed Paul J. McAuley to Paul McAuley for his story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?407932 this pub]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Good-Bye, Robinson Crusoe and Other Stories ==<br />
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I added notes about the publication date and story introductions to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410315 Good-Bye, Robinson Crusoe]. Also changed the publication date from 2013-04-30 (can't be true) to 2013-04-00. Hope you can agree. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 09:28, 19 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::All good edits. I didn't check the pre-existing information carefully enough when verifying & updating. Appreciate the catches. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:18, 20 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Forward" or "Foreword" ==<br />
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Please confirm the spelling of the title on pag 7 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15737 this publication]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:27, 15 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it's "Forward". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:25, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I will make a note of its unusual spelling so that other editors won't have to ask the question again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Interior artwork ==<br />
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Interior artwork should be titled the same as the work they illustrate. Do not use the term "interior artwork" in the title as that is explicit in the type of the record. Please correct the titles of the mistitled interior artwork credited to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?166485 John Polgreen] in the Willy Ley books. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:33, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Editors v. authors ==<br />
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By ISFDB standards, the editors of NONFICTION- and ANTHOLOGY-typed publications are considered the "author" of the work, unlike the editors of NOVEL- and COLLECTION-typed publications who can only be credited in the Note field. That was how the software was designed (long before most of us started working here). I suppose it was simpler to create a single field to record the credit for the one(s) who were most responsible for the work, without creating multiple fields to record individual roles for each publication. Maybe one day the software will be updated to create more fields with more finely defined roles of responsibility: editor (for novels and collections), translator, adaptor, etc. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Visitor from Outer Space'' ==<br />
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I changed the editor field credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192849 this record] from "Anonymous" to "uncredited", the ISFDB standard for an anthology which doesn't credit the editor of the work. It now matches the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?593549 title record]. If this was incorrect, and the editor is actually credited as "Anonymous" on the book's title page, please make a submission to change it back. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:21, 12 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Strange Signposts'' ==<br />
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I've changed the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33537 this record] to conform to standard ISFDB entry of the LCCN and OCLC record numbers. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:55, 17 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Art of George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice & Fire'' ==<br />
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Re: your note. You may add the interior art that you like to add. There's really no need to add all of them. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:13, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Unfettered'' ==<br />
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If you wish to remove content titles from a publication record, go to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?400295 the record] and click on the link "Remove Titles From This Pub" under the Editing Tools menu. On the next page, you have the option of removing any of the contents by checking its box. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:57, 6 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Done. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:18, 8 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Catastrophic Disruption of the Head" variant ==<br />
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Hi. I have your submission that would make {{T|1620354|this}} a variant of {{T|1403006|this}} on hold. I freely admit I could be looking right at it, but why a variant instead of merging them? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:54, 20 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::You're right, should have merged. Just took care of that. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:34, 20 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Beyond Tomorrow'' ==<br />
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Please move your primary verification to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?425111 this record]. I cloned it from the record which you had updated, which should have remained as the first printing of the title. (There's a record for the library edition at a different price). When you've PV'd the new record, remove it from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4428 the original record] to which I've restored the original data. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:55, 5 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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BTW, I noticed that the essay "More Good Reading in Science Fiction" is on page 333, while the OCLC record, the LCCN, and Reginald all give the page count as 332. Is that last page numbered? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:00, 5 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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OK, I see that the [http://lccn.loc.gov/65020251 LCCN] gives a "Bibliography" on page "[333]" which means it is unnumbered. The way to enter this situation in a record is to give the page count as "xv+333+[1]" and then give the content page number in brackets: "[333]". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:03, 5 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Interesting. Good to know. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:15, 6 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Worlds of Wonder ==<br />
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I added some notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55452 Worlds of Wonder]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:11, 8 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Great addition. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:26, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Toymaker ==<br />
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I added some words to the notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48774 The Toymaker]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:47, 12 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I've added Currey's description of first printings, plus description of another jacket variant I've got that wasn't in Chalker's list. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:11, 17 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange Worlds ==<br />
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I added some notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33570 Strange Worlds]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:12, 13 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Toymaker ==<br />
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Yes, there should be separate records for different editions of [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48774 this]] --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 17:29, 18 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover image for ''The Immortal Storm'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THMMRTLSTR1954.jpg This file] at 172 kb was over the requested limit of 150 kb. So I re-sized it to meet the standard. Please keep this size limit in mind when uploading cover image files in the future. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:11, 8 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Editor's Choice in Science Fliction'' ==<br />
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I'm holding the submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11964 this record]. We ordinarily do not create individual content records for an editor's untitled story introductions. (Imagine the thousands that have been published over the years and the ISFDB records that would have to updated if such a practice became standard.) It's usually sufficient to note the presence of such introductions in the record's Note field. Is there anything about the ones in this book which would make them extraordinary?<br />
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Also, we do not add information to Note fields which is specific to one copy of a publication, including a personal inscription. If it adds value to the record, it can be added to a Bibliographic Comments page (there's a link on each pub record that creates such a page.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:32, 8 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, I see now these pieces are NOT written by the anthology's editor but by the editor who originally purchased the story. Now I can see the value in that. I'll accept the submission, but remove the redundant "untitled" part. The parentheses already indicates that there is no title. (I'll remove the note about the inscription and leave it to you if you wish to create a comments page.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:46, 8 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, that's why I typed them all in. Glad you kept them. :) Thanks for response on the inscription. Policy makes sense. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:55, 9 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''"What Will They Think of Last"'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401840 this record], before I realized that you've credited the contents to "H. L. Gold", while the book is credited to Horace L. Gold. How is the author credited on the book's title page? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:18, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Book credit is Horace L. Gold. It's my understanding that, if I had credited all the essays to that name, then there'd be dozens of records to setup as alternate versions for the same title by H. L. Gold. That seemed like a lot of unnecessary work and a lot of unnecessary records in the database. So I figured I'd just credit them to match the existing records for all those essays. The book credit is clear, so it seemed totally unambiguous to do it that way. That said ... I'll leave it to you to decide whether to change all those authors to Horace L. Gold. Your call. Sorry about making extra work if that's what you decide. If you do that and want me to setup all the alternate listing connections to the exiting essay records, then just say so. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:56, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::It's not my call. It's an ISFDB standard to record work as credited, regardless of how much effort there may be in creating variants. I'll do it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:03, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK, I'll edit the story records. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:20, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Wow, you already did it! I hope it wasn't as much work as I thought it would be. Thanks for taking care of that, and thanks for explaining the ISFDB standard for this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:23, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Actually, I'm only about half finished. The variants have to be made and I'm still working on those. Unlike the single submission to change the author credit of each content record in the essay collection, now each of them has to be individually varianted to the original title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:29, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Something just occurred to me: since you made the author credit conform, is it possible you also made the titles conform? It's odd that each of them were exactly as the title already in the database. Even one that was titled "Editor's Page: To the Hills!", the original one of which had the column name in the title. If the titles in the collection (as they appeared on the essay's title page, not on the book's table of contents), please make corrections. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:36, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Yes, I did add "Editor's Page:" to "To the Hills!" to match, but I see you fixed that. All of the others were titled exactly as the ISFDB records, including punctuation, with the exception of "QWERTYUIOP". The ISFDB record for that is spelled with a "U" instead of "W", which I suspect is a typo but I don't have that copy of Galaxy to confirm. This has been (yet another) good learning experience. Really appreciate your attention to detail. I'll emulate in future. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::You could have posted a message on the primary verifier's talk page asking about the spelling of that piece in the magazine. I'll do that for you. Two more questions: Is "The Riches of Embarrassment" fiction or essay? There's a record in the database of a piece published in Galaxy, April 1968 with the same title verified as fiction. Also, there were two editorials with the title "Of All Things", in the issues for June 1953 and December 1959. Does the essay collection give the dates of the original essays publications so that you can confirm that the piece here is the 1953 piece? (I've already varianted it to the 1953 piece, because that's the date you gave the reprint.) Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:59, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I know you'll be glad when we're done with this entry. :) "Riches of Embarrassment" is an essay. The essays do not have individual credits, just a credit on copyright page "Copyright 1950 through 1961". However, the essay mentions a March 1958 magazine, so it must be the December 1959 version. I've edited the book listing. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:26, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::I'll need to correct the variant then. I'll ask the verifier of the April 1968 to check on "Riches..." to determine if it's the same as this essay. Can you give me the first sentence of the piece? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::It's likely they're the same, and I can see why another reader might validly consider it fiction. First sentence is, "The Costellos, two great little people well under five feet tall, had moved out of the one-bedroom apartment to the left of mine, and my neighbors and I wondered apprehensively who would move in." It's in Gold's first-person voice, and it tells an amusing mundane story about an easily offended neighbor. However, it does have a snarky SFnal denouement: "In ten years of ceaseless research, I have never found any discussion, much less theory, concerning the power that Miss McGivney clearly possessed. This can therefore be counted a First. Here it is: Using a previously unknown and unsuspected ESP faculty of the mind, Miss McGivney unconsciously manufactured embarrassing incidents." After that is a paragraph using this conceit to lampoon the neighbor, ending with "Poor world of Miss McGivney!" So, now that you know the contents, I'm curious: in ISFDB is this considered an essay or short fiction? (And at this point it won't surprise me if there actually is an official standard. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:08, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Orbit 19'' ==<br />
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You'll have to also change the dates of each of the content records in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25113 this publication]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:26, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::done [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:42, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== LCCN ==<br />
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When entering the stated Library of Congress Catalog Card, Library of Congress Catalog Number, or Library of Congress Control Number (its latest incarnation), it should be entered in the format "LCCN: xxxxxx" This will help if or when the time comes when the LCCN gets its own field, and the universal change can be made instead of having to update each publication record. I've corrected the format in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26450 this record], and linked it to the LoC's website record. Linking isn't required but very beneficial. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:27, 28 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Battle on Mercury'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?429943 this publication]: Is the piece "Life in a Dome" a nonfiction essay, or is it a fictional introduction to the story, making it part of the novel, and thus not eligible as a separate work? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:10, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::It's a nonfiction essay. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:04, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In the Wake of Man'' ==<br />
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If there is no explicit editor credit for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18137 this publication], the publication record should reflect that. If there is sufficient and strong evidence that Elwood was the anonymous editor, we can make the title into a variant credited to him. This is the ISFDB standard for crediting uncredited responsibility. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:13, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Only mention of Elwood in the book is on copyright page as copyright holder, and there is no editor credit. Seems those 2 facts would justify making it a variant so that users researching Elwood could link to this book. But it's your call. Feel free to edit, or just let me know what to do. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:20, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking the secondary sources. Nice edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:31, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've removed the editor credit from the publication record, added a note that Elwood holds the copyright, and made the editor record into a variant by Elwood. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:59, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet Earth ==<br />
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Is Wyler's <i>Planet Earth</i> speculative fiction related? It sounds like a science book, not speculative fiction related non-fiction. If so, it doesn't qualify for inclusion. Her one included non-genre non-fiction book is included as it was reviewed in a speculative fiction magazine. That doesn't seem to be the case here. Am I missing something? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:20, 20 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::OK, I wasn't clear on the boundary. Was just adding a similar pub to a listed author's record. The book has early 'space age' context and a 10-page section discussing satellites and what it would be like to travel to the moon, but it is not otherwise related to speculative fiction. Sorry to bother you with it. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:19, 20 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::No problem. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:39, 20 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Foundation'' ==<br />
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The notes you want to add to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?215633 this record] seem to apply to a later printing. If so, a new record should be created. You didn't source the change so I'm not certain if you're working from the actual edition that this record is for, or a later printing. If you think a new record should be created, cancel the submission I have on hold. Thanks. 21:58, 27 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I've got the July 1978 printing that I referenced, and I've seen other printings of the 1963 Doubleday reprint edition, both in bookshops and online. They've all got the Zimmerman jacket, and later printings have the same ISBN. Thought it made sense to add that info to the root record for first edition of the 1963 printing, then clone it to produce separate listing for my 1978 printing. But it's your call. If my edits to the 1963 record are inappropriate then please decline the edit. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:03, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::There's no such thing as a "root" publication record. Each publication record is distinct and is tied to a title record which could be considered the "root". There is no purpose in providing data in a publication record about a later printing for which you'll be creating a publication record. The record for that later printing will speak for itself. Notes should be specific to the printing for which the record was created. I'll reject the submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:06, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK. I'll add record for my July 1978 printing. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:18, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Analog 1 ==<br />
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The OCLC record you note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2535 this record] does not give 1961 as the copyright year, but the year of publication. (Also, don't forget to add a colon after "OCLC" and before the record number.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:10, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I inherited that OCLC statement from whoever setup the record, and just added the word "incorrectly" since I was verifying the publication date. I'll edit to fix per your direction. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I accepted the submission, but reverted it to show the incorrect dating of the OCLC record. If you're going to give a secondary source in the Note field, you should note any exceptions between that source and the actual book. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:15, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Analog 5'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2539 This publication] is not in a publication series. Its [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1017310 title] is in a title series. You'll have to remove the publication series from the record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:48, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::done. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:58, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Analog 6'' ==<br />
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Can you see if there is a book club id number on the back flap of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2540 this publication]'s dustjacket? It should be a four-digit number either in the high 1900s or low 2000s. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, it was there. Edited record. Thanks for catching this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:59, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Atlas Printing of From Unknown Worlds ==<br />
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I've added the price for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?292561 From Unknown Worlds]''. I've also removed the note about the price clipped jacket. Happily my copy was not clipped so I was able to provide the data. I've additionally corrected the page count (it was 128) and added an item for the interior artwork. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:37, 31 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Very much appreciated. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:24, 3 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Delany & Chaykin's ''Empire'' ==<br />
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I changed the type of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?382643 this record] from NOVEL to CHAPTERBOOK and added a content record for Delany's fiction. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:22, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Copyright date vs. Publication date ==<br />
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The ISFDB publication record provides the date of publication, not the year of copyright. If there is no '''stated''' publication date, only use the year of copyright after all secondary sources have been exhausted. If you do so, note that the date is from the copyright statement, because of the lack of a publication statement. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:52, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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The source for the 1958 date of ''Teen-Age Super Science Stories'' was probably [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t38.htm#A828 Locus1]. Tuck and the LCCN give the year as 1957, so I've accepted the submissions. I'll update the record to note the source of the date. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:57, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I will have to reject your submission to clone the original pub, because it was submitted before the ones changing the date of the contents were accepted. If I accept the clone submission, all of the stories' dates will revert to 1958. Keep this in mind when making simultaneous submissions that contain changes in content records. Also, are you certain that the Grosset & Dunlap edition came out the same year as the Lantern Press edition? According to Tuck, the discounted edition was published in 1958, although he doesn't credit Grosset as the publisher. As I said above, if your book doesn't have an explicit statement of publication, you must use a reliable secondary source. If there is no source, and knowing this was published by another publisher in the year of copyright, it is better to just zero out the date to have it displayed as "unknown". Grosset & Dunlap books, to the best of my knowledge, rarely gave a publication date, as they reprinted "cheap" editions of titles. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:08, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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To avoid your having to rebuild another submission, I'll do that from the data you provided in the rejected clone submission. Here is the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?433460 new record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:10, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for corrections and explanations. Every edit is a learning opportunity. :) FWIW, I don't have a copy of Tuck, so went with the 1957 copyright date. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:28, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::You can update the record's date and give Tuck as the source. Or zero it out, based on the fact that it was published in the same year by another publisher. If you need to look up anything in Tuck, leave a message on my talk page. No problem. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:26, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Publication dates from various sources ==<br />
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If a book provides a publication date, then unless we believe there's a printing error of some sort or that the book is reprinting an earlier edition's statement of printing, what we see printed in the book trumps what other sources say. So I think for {{P|25124|Orbit 8}}, December from the dust jacket's 7012 should be used instead of Contento's October. The only question would be whether yours could be a later printing. I will see if the other moderators have an opinion about changing the date (which then would also affect the dates on the stories). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:43, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Two firm opinions agreeing with me, so I will change the date to December (your notes already cover the situation nicely). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:14, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Paul Lehr / ''Orbit 9'' ==<br />
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I accepted your changes to {{P|25125|Orbit 9}}, but I restored the Paul Lehr cover art credit based on the notes from the 1971 Berkley Medallion edition that has the same cover artwork. There someone found confirmation of the artist in Jane Frank's ''Science Fiction and Fantasy Artists of the Twentieth Century''. I copied that note into the notes in this edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:56, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I really didn't want to delete the Lehr reference because it's obviously his artwork. I'm delighted that you could document the attribution. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:02, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Red Mars'' excerpt ==<br />
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Is the excerpt titled "Festival Night (excerpt from Red Mars)" on page 47 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23493 this publication]? Or is it simply "Festival Night"? If this is the first publication of this excerpt under this title, it should have the date of the publication in which it was first published (April 1995), not the date of the work from which it was excerpted. Although this may not be specifically documented in the help pages, it is my belief that the fact that it is a new title that it deserves to be dated when first published as this title. If the excerpt had the same title of the work, then there would be a stronger case for dating them the same. If you disagree, please start a discussion on the Rules & Standards discussion page. Also, I rejected the submission to change the publication record. If you change a title record, it is automatically changed in the publication record, so there's no need to do two submissions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:18, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:As always, thanks for the coaching on ISFDB standards. In Nebula Awards 29, the title page, and the story title on page 47, says "Festival Night from Red Mars". The copyright acknowledgment is, "'Festival Night,' an excerpt from the novel 'Red Mars' ...." It appears whoever entered the ISFDB record for trade paper of Nebula Awards 29 added the parentheses around "from Red Mars". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:34, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::If the "from Red Mars" part is in a different size font and/or on a different line it's considered a subtitle and should be entered as "Festival Night: from Red Mars". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:52, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::"from" is in different font and "Red Mars" is same font as "Festival Night" except italicized. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:10, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Nebula Awards 29'' ==<br />
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Sorry I had to reject your submission which updated [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23494 this record] because it would have taken too much work to merge all of the newly created content records with the ones that are already in the database. (I'm also sorry for the time you took in entering all of those contents unnecessarily.) The best way to handle such a situation is to remove all titles from the record, and then import the contents from the record which contains as close as possible to the contents in the one you're working on. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23493 This one] for example. I'll do that for you and then let you make any changes to match your publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:47, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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BTW, according to the OCLC record, this book has xii+307 pages, and also published under the Harvest imprint. If so, the publisher should be given as "Harvest / Harcourt Brace". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:50, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Same situation with the imprint used for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23495 Nebula Awards 30]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:53, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I'm holding a submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23498 Nebula Awards 32], another one in which again you're adding content for records already in the database (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23499 this record]). Please let me know if you understand the import procedure which I'm talking about. I can walk you through the process if necessary. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:05, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::You say "content ... already in the database", but the titles I added were not (still are not) in the hardcover listing I was editing. Since there were just a few titles missing, I thought it faster to add them rather than delete all & import all. For titles I added, I tried to enter exactly as in the trade paper listing by doing cut-and-paste from the Title data. (If you spotted any variance from the canonical Title data, then those would be typos I need to correct.) I've never used the "Import Content" tool, but sure I can figure it out. Let me know if there's a reason to use it versus the process I followed. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:29, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::They may not be in the publication record, but the titles you are adding '''are''' already in the database: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1056010 Keeping Up] by Elizabeth Hand; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1056011 Must Have Been Something I Ate] by Lucius Shepard; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1056012 Interactive Science Fiction: 1996] by Keith Ferrell; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1056013 The British Scene (Nebula Awards 32)] by Ian Watson, etc. etc. By adding another identical title record to the database, you have to make another submission to merge them. Doing the importing of these titles to another publication record, you can avoid the follow-up submissions. And each merge requires a separate submission. That means you'll have to make nine more submissions to "fix" this record, when importing them would have taken only two submissions: remove and import. If there were only a couple of duplicate titles, it would be easier to use the new "Import Titles" function, where you can list the title record numbers of each of the titles to be duplicated. But when there are as many as nine records to import, I think the procedure I've explained would be better. Regardless, I'm going to accept the submission, and then ask you to merge the records. This may help you see why the method I explain is the better choice. I'm not saying you CAN'T add duplicate titles. I'm just trying to explain an easier way to do it. Personally, I'd rather not have to deal with accepting multiple submissions when only one or two would have done the same thing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:57, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::NOW I get it. :) Thanks for your patience. I've merged all the new records I created. I really appreciate the coaching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:26, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I did the "delete all" & "import contents" process for http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23508. I'll complete editing the record once those edits are accepted ... or you let me know if I did something wrong. Thanks for your patience. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:09, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Very good. Thank you. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:57, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Amidst all of the others, perhaps you overlooked my question about the page count and the imprint. I see you've removed Harvest as the imprint used on these Nebula Award anthologies, while most of the OCLC records indicate them as "A Harvest Original". Can you re-check to see that this is not the case in your copies? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:17, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::"Harvest" is an imprint Harcourt uses for paperback and trade paper editions. I've got 4 Harcourt trade paper Nebula Awards books. Numbers 20 & 22 say "A Harvest/HBJ Book" on the back, and "Harcourt Brace Jovanovich" on back, title page & copyright page. Numbers 31 & 33 say "A Harvest Original" on back and title page, and "Harcourt Brace & Company" on back, title page, and copyright page. In ISFDB, for 20 & 22 I entered "Harcourt Brace Jovanovich", following the examples of trade paper editions of Nebula 20-26 (excepting un-verified 23, which uses "Harvest/HBJ".) For 31, I entered "Harvest/Harcourt Brace" following the examples of Nebula 32-33. (BTW, I believe the hardcover Nebula 33 probably has incorrect publisher, since I've never seen "Harvest" used on a hardcover Harcourt book.) FWIW, I checked all the Publisher listings in ISFDB for "Harvest", but didn't see any consistent pattern in how the 5 Harvest/Harcourt variants are used. Given this info (and apologies if it's TMI), I'll be glad to edit my verified books any way you think appropriate. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:28, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::The rule of thumb is to use the publisher as stated on the title page. In the case of some publishers who publish simultaneous hardcover and trade paperback editions (like Harcourt's Nebula volumes), the trade paperback may have a different imprint. If that's the case, then use the ISFDB standard of "Imprint / Publisher". I see there are currently three different variants of the Harvest imprint in the database: published by HBJ (1977 - 1992), Harvest / Harcourt Brace (1993 - 2000), and Harcourt (1999-2008). If any of your verified pubs are trade paperbacks, please check to see if any fall within this range and use the appropriate imprint. If they are hardcovers, use the publisher as stated on the title page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Foreword to ''Brave New World'' ==<br />
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Hi, I have found a possible hint that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363765 your edition] may actually be from 1949. In my edition Huxley's Foreword has the signum '1949 A. H.' at its end. Could you please take a look if that is the case here? Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:37, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Interesting. Mine has no signum at end of Foreword. It's possible you've got a 1949 edition with updated Foreword. Here are some 'points' on my copy:<br />
::- On front jacket "a new edition of a famous novel with a special introduction by the author"<br />
::- From blurb on back flap of dust jacket: "... in his foreword written especially for this edition ....", "He notes that fifteen years ago ....", "... the foreshadowed possibilities of fifteen years ago ...."<br />
::- Ad on back of dust jacket for Huxley's book 'Ape and Essence' begins, "Sixteen years ago Aldous Huxley's Brave New World was a literary bomb ...."<br />
::- Opening sentence of Foreword: "Chronic remorse , as all the moralists are agreed, is a most undesirable sentiment."<br />
::- Beginning of last paragraph of Foreword on page xix: "All things considered it looks as though Utopia were far closer to us than anyone, only fifteen years ago, could have imagined."<br />
::- Closing sentence of Foreword: "You pays your money and you takes your choice."<br />
:If your copy differs from any of these points, or from any of the other info about mine in the ISFDB record, then you should enter as a new edition. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:55, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, my edition isn't from that early at all, but the notion "Sixteen years ago Aldous Huxley's Brave New World was a literary bomb ...." does indeed speak for a later publication than 1946, since the novel was first published in 1932, doesn't it? Also, ''Ape and Essence'' was published only in 1948, which is also a clear hint for later publication (they wouldn't place an ad two years in advance). The copyright really is only the year the copyright was assigned and has nothing to do with the year of publication per se. In this light (taking the notion of 1949 for the Foreword into consideration) a publication year of 1949 seems all to reasonable, I think (still pretty early!). And I do believe that this is the first edition featuring the specially written Foreword. Shall I adapt the publication (and the title record for the Foreword)? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:06, 2 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Good points. I hadn't checked publication date of 'Ape and Essence'. So I agree my book was likely published in 1948 or later. But how do we explain the fact it does not have a signum on the Foreword like yours? Does your book have all the points I listed? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:50, 3 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Well, at some point later in time it must have been a possible need (for Huxley or the publisher) to mark that this Foreword wasn't part of the original publication in 1932. So this signum was added to emphasize it was written and/or published in 1949. I'll try to capture our state of knowledge in the publication's notes. Please take a look if it is to your liking. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Good edits. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:59, 4 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Analog 2'' ==<br />
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Can you check to see if there is a gutter code present in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2536 this edition]? It should be visible in the gutter of the last page of text or one of the preceding pages. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:54, 27 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:No gutter code in my copy. However, it has been re-bound by a library, omitting any pages which might have followed page 275 and its blank reverse, so it's possible there's a gutter code on an un-numbered page after 275. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:56, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Darn! Guess it didn't hurt to ask. Thanks anyway. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:37, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Atomic Story'' ==<br />
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In contrast with the cover credit, is the author credited as a "Jr." on the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274217 this book]? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:18, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. No "Jr" on title page, either. It appears only once, in first use of Campbell's name on back of dust jacket. All other appearances of his name are sans "Jr". FWIW, the bio info on jacket downplays SF editing and refers to him as a "science writer", so omission of "Jr" appears intentional. Any recommended editing sequence to correcting the title record and the book record, and connecting them back to the canonical Campbell record? (Or, is this something you might do quicker than me? :) ) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:01, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::It is a multi-submission process, so it would be quicker if I did it. If you ever want to try your hand at it, here are the steps:<br />
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::*Edit the publication record to make the Author1 Field match the publication's title page credit. Because this is a non-container type record without any other publication records under the same title record, you can also update the content title record at the same time. Submit.<br />
::*If there were more than one publication attached to the title record, or if it were a container type record (ANTHOLOGY, COLLECTION, OMNIBUS), you'd have to make another submission to "Unmerge" this publication record from its title record. <br />
::*Once the first submission has been moderated, you go to its title record and create a variant title record using the "Make This Title A Variant Title" function, replacing the credited author's name with canonical author's name in the Author1 Field at the bottom of the variant screen. Submit.<br />
::[[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:46, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the Canadian price to your verified ==<br />
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I added the Canadian price to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410432].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:13, 23 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Strange Ports of Call'' ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to change the Price field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33526 this record]. Shouldn't the stated price be given and then the stickered price be noted? (That's ordinarily the ISFDB standard.) In any event, it should be discussed with the other primary verifier '''before''' making a submission to change it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:46, 26 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I see you left a message [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs here], but if you will read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace the verifier's notification preference] you'll see that page is to notify him if you've "added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES..." Any other changes to data fields should be posted on his talk page, and, as I said above, before submitting a change. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:50, 26 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Posted note to http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace. I'm not clear on your comment that the $4.00 price printed on the jacket should be "given" and the $3.75 price which is often found stamped on the jacket should be "noted". Thought that's what I did. Can you please clarify ... or, if easier, just fix my edit? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:29, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::By "given" I meant entered into the ISFDB record's Price field. By "noted" I meant that it should be entered into the ISFDB record's Note field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:14, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::The only thing that gives me pause about the edit is that Tuck lists the price as $3.75. Unfortunately, neither Currey nor Contento mention the price at all. My copy is clipped with the stamped price, as you describe. Because of the Tuck listing I could speculate that the intent was to sell the book at $3.75 with the %4.00 price being a misprint. However, that's purely speculation. I don't really have a problem with the edit, but we should probably expand the note stating the price in Tuck. After Michael approves the edit, I can further expand the notes and mention that my copy has the altered price. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:41, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'll accept the submission, but believe that the stated price should be the entered into the Price field. But it's not my record. I'll let you two decide, but make sure the notes make everything clear. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:16, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Just submitted an edit to Notes with reference to Tuck. Agree it's not clear which price to put in price field. However, even if the $4.00 price was a mistake, that's what P&C printed on the jacket, and there are instances of the book with un-clipped jackets, so it seems clear the $3.75 price followed the $4.00 price. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:17, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I remembered a few more places to research this, but unfortunately it muddies things a bit more. Derleth's own [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1358178 bibliography] lists this book with the $3.75 price. The review in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281181 Spring 1948] issue of ''The Arkham Sampler'' has the #4.00 price, whereas the review in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60718 November 1948] issue of ''Startling Stories'' has the $3.75 price. I have one other of the reviews (from ''Amazing'') but it doesn't have the price. I'm going to expand the notes. I don't have a problem with the $4.00 price in the metadata field. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:15, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Design ==<br />
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I've never seen dustjacket art credited in the interior of the book as "Design by..." as you've noted in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35919 this record]. It always means the book design, not the dustjacket design. Is there cover art credit on the dustjacket itself? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:22, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I have the same concerne with the cover art credit you've given in all of the last set of submissions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:25, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Reason I was submitting these edits are (1) I'd previously submitted 3 edits with art by Sidney Solomon noting "Design by Sidney Solomon", and they had been accepted; and (2) I noted that the art on all these jackets designed by Sidney Solomon are clearly by the same artist when you look at them side-by-side. However, if the ISFDB standard is "designed by ..." may not be used as art credit, then I'll go back and edit all of these to leave the artist blank. Your call. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:36, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::I've deleted all art credits I'd submitted based on "Designed by". I apologize for making you do all this extra work. Note that the only "Sidney Solomon" art credit left is http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42862, which is not my edit or verification. FWIW, I do have a copy of that book, and its only credit for Sidney Solomon is "Designed by". FWIW, that's why I originally entered a Sidney Solomon art credit for my BCE. In any case, thanks for the guidance on this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:01, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'll accept the submissions to remove the credit and ask the verifier of the last credit about his reasoning for giving Solomon cover art credit. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:28, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::I see that you didn't move the credit to the Note field to acknowledge the book's design credit. It's not required, but it might be a good idea in this case to avoid any future conflict in credit. Your call. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:30, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Saliva Tree and Other Strange Growths ==<br />
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Does the word <i>Strange</i> appear on the title page of [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46442 this]] edition? A [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Bluesman#The_Saliva_Tree_by_Aldiss discussion]] about the Sphere editions shows it's there on a false title page but not the real title page [in the paperbacks]. Thanks for checking. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 04:53, 28 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes. The full subtitle "and other strange growths" is not on the half-title page, but it IS on the title page, and the jacket front, and the jacket flap. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:45, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover Image for "Away from the Here and Now", by Clare Winger Harris ==<br />
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The cover image for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3412 Away from the Here and Now] is (was) an impressive 1367 X 1534 pixels large. The ISFDB standards limit cover images to be at most 600 pixels in either direction, so I have scaled the picture (presumably from you) to the standard size and replaced the previous image. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:31, 7 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I posted a handful of uncompressed images in my early days on ISFDB, but don't have records to find and fix. Appreciate you fixing this one. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:45, 7 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: If you wanted to check, on the main "isfdb.org" page, menu bar on the left, the last item under the first section ("Logged in as") is "My Primary Verifications". If you go to that page, it will show you all of the verifications you've done. The list is deliberately in chronological order, oldest first, because many of us have wanted to go back at look at those early attempts and re-consider whether we did them right. It's a bit of work, but I know in my own case that doing that helped me clean up a bunch of mistakes I made that the moderators didn't catch. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:55, 7 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Hunting of the Snark" ==<br />
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Hi. I believe your proposed 1876 MacMillan hardcover duplicates {{P|356426|this entry}}. I have the submission on hold. See what you think. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:29, 10 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Thanks. Hadn't seen it in the chapbooks section. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:01, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Glass Future" ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1674116 this record]: we now have a dedicated field in the title record which creates a direct link from the ISFDB record when you give the full URL of the webpage. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:21, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Derleth's Beachheads in Space ==<br />
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Several of the stories in Derleth's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3779 Beachheads in Space]'' are listed with the incorrect title or form of the author's name. I am changing the following:<br />
*"The Star" that we have by "David H. Keller, M.D." should be by David H. Keller<br />
*"Beachhead" that we have by "Clifford D. Simak" should be by Clifford Simak<br />
*"Meteor" that we have by "John Beynon" should be by John Beynon Harris<br />
*"And the Walls Came Tumbling Down" should have an ellipsis at the end of the title.<br />
*"The Ambassadors from Venus" that we have by "Kendall Foster Crossen" should be by Kendell Foster Crossen, though the misspelling exists in the table of contents. The name is correct on the title page.<br />
*"To People a New World" that we have by "Nelson S. Bond" should be by Nelson Bond<br />
I'll go ahead an make the changes. Let me know if you disagree or have any questions about any of them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 05:44, 24 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:08, 24 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Away From the Here and Now", by Clare Winger Harris ==<br />
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I added a couple of notes to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3412 verified book], and corrected the name of one story from "Menace from Mars" to "Menace of Mars". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:21, 14 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Good additions. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Marooned on Mars ==<br />
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Hi, Could you please check whether your verified copy of {{P|181641|Marooned on Mars}} is indeed #5 in the Winston Science Fiction series, as is suggested on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Science_Fiction Wikipedia] and given on [http://www.librarything.com/work/791918 LibraryThing]?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:29, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:it is likely #5 since there are 4 other Winston titles listed on back: Son of the Stars, Five Against Venus, Find the Feathered Serpent, and Earthbound. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:26, 18 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Rocket Jockey ==<br />
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Hi, same kind of request, now for {{P|28402|Rocket Jockey}} by 'Philip St. John', aka Lester del Rey. It would be #7 of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Series:Winston_Science_Fiction Winston Scence Fiction Series], according to [http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/Winston+Science+Fiction LibraryThing].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:28, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:It's definitely one of the first 10 since published in 1952, but all 10 of the 1952 Winston's are listed on back of jacket, so no evidence that it's #7. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:27, 18 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Conditionally Human'': novelette and/or novella? ==<br />
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Re: Walter M. Miller, Jr.'s SHORTFICTION published [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55704 here]. Do you have the opportunity to take a look if there's a note that this is an expansion of its first publication in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58498 Galaxy]? There it might have been a novelette, but judging from the length in your verified book and later publications it surely is a NOVELLA at least from that time on. Alas, both of the primary verifiers of the issue of Galaxy aren't active anymore (and one of them probably installed the NOVELETTE length). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:14, 27 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:The editors' intro confirms "minor or even major revisions" by the authors to "most" of the stories, with one (they don't say which) getting "a substantial new episode". (I'll add the full quote to the book's listing.) Using the magazine info in isfdb I compared magazine vs book page counts for the 5 stories, and from that data it looks feasible that both Leinster's story (79% more pages in book) and 'Conditionally Human' (91% more pages) were lengthened from novelette to novella. By comparison, the other 3 stories gained 28%, 22% and 35%. Of course, I can't verify the magazine page counts, so this data is suspect. However, it seems the additional data from later publications of Miller's story should be sufficient to change it to a novella variant. As you've probably already checked, Contento lists both the Leinster and the Miller as novelettes. I'll be interested to see what you decide. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:33, 29 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:FWIW I checked the intros & story credits in the other 2 Bleiler & Dikty "Year's Best Science Fiction Novels", and found no mentions of stories being modified. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:07, 29 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: Roberson in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347523 this reference book] indicates that the novella was "slightly revised" for its inclusion in the collection. The wording also seems to point to a novella lenght in both cases. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 19:39, 29 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thank you very much to both of you. I'll install an informational item on the Community Portal. A similar case will there be made for Miller, Jr.'s ''The Darfsteller''. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:47, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::I wouldn't recommend comparing a magazine publication with a book publication to determine word count. First, many magazine stories are continued in the later pages of the issue. Second, many magazines have smaller fonts, and double columns. In the case of "Conditionally Human" in ''Galaxy'', thirty-four pages could very well contain more than 17,500 words. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:58, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::I just did an estimated word count of "Conditionally Human" as it was published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188177 this collection] using [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlVjb2fstclQcE5xdU8xeFViM3UtcnZOSlNFa1FjYXc#gid=0 Swfritter's word count calculator], and it came to over 21,000 words. Even accounting for this story being heavy with dialogue, this would definitely be a novella. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:09, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Image upload problem ==<br />
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What was the trouble with the uploading of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BYNDTASPC1950.jpg this image]? Did you perhaps forget to clear your cache and the original image kept appearing each time you uploaded it? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:39, 29 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:I see what happened now. The image linked to the record had a different URL, and you assumed it would replace it automatically. That only happens when the URLs are the same. But I see you saw that too and changed the URL to the new image. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:51, 29 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::yep :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:27, 29 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: 15 ==<br />
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For {{P|35708|The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: 15}} does the title page state "15" or "Fifteenth Series" as per the cover? If the title page matches the cover, then the record's title should be updated. If the title pages doesn't match the cover, then it is good to add a note to the publication to avoid future questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:28, 3 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. It's "Fifteenth Series" on jacket, book cover, half-title page, and title page. Made the change. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:41, 3 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Masterpieces of Science Fiction'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21649 this publication]: Please make the date field match the publication date given in the note field, or vice versa (1966 or 1967). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:27, 4 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Missed that. Thanks for catch. Fixed it in publication & title records. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:53, 4 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ISBNs ==<br />
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Are you certain that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40972 this 2001 publication] has an ISBN-13 and not an EAN? If it's just a number above a barcode, it is not the ISBN-13 which wasn't created until 2005. If it does state ISBN-13, then you have a later printing. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:13, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:You are correct, it's on the barcode. It's used by booksellers on ABE as ISBN. Since there's an incorrect ISBN on the copyright page, thought I should enter the ISBN used on ABE. I'm not clear on ISFDB standard in this situation, so please edit as appropriate. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:20, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Are your certain that the ISBN on the copyright page is incorrect? It comes up with plenty of hits on [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=30&isbn=1886778213&recentlyadded=all&sortby=17&sts=t&x=0&y=0 ABEbooks.com] and that's the number listed on the publisher's website, and in the [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/49605342 OCLC record]. What about it is incorrect? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:17, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, the ISFDB standard is to record the ISBN as stated in the publication, with the one on the copyright page having precedence over the one on the dustjacket or cover (if they don't agree). If it's an invalid ISBN (as opposed to an "incorrect" number), you can add the number sign (#) before it so that the checksum error warning doesn't display on the record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:20, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::You're right. I've corrected the record. FWIW, I made a 'cut and paste' error when I searched the ISBN. Apologies for wasting your time on this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:35, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== This Island Earth - Raymond F. Jones ==<br />
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Added artist credit, publication date and some links to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51097 This Island Earth].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 03:29, 19 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:44, 19 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Best SF Two'' ==<br />
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The submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4150 this record] made no visible changes in the data. What were you attempting to do? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:00, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Updated image. For some reason yesterday's upload didn't post, so I uploaded again, and cut-and-paste the URL just to be sure. Record is now correct. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:28, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::You don't have to "update" a publication record to change the URL if you've uploaded a new version of the cover image file. The URL doesn't change. The reason it "didn't post" or wasn't visible was because you didn't refresh the page. Unlike many websites, the ISFDB doesn't auto-refresh pages if there's been a change in the page. That must be done manually by the user (usually hitting "F5" will do it). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:13, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Looking at the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BESTSF1C1956.jpg wiki page for the image file], you should be able to see that there was no need to do a second upload of the image file. If you click on the date/time fields of the three uploaded files (under '''File History'''), you'll see that both images you uploaded are identical. Just remember to re-fresh your cache, or you will always see the original file which was loaded into it when you first went to the page. (Unless you've set your browser's preferences to never keep copies of web pages in its cache.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good info. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Astounding'' essay variants ==<br />
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Hi. Questions about two of your make-variant submissions, which I have on hold:<br />
* One submission would make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1738914 this] a variant of an identically worded and credited new parent title. I can't tell which part of that is mistaken.<br />
* The other submission would make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1738915 this] a variant of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?921955 this]. That's indeed worded differently, but I see in looking at the two containing publications that one is supposedly a facsimile reprint of the other. If that's true, I'd expect the titles would be identical in each, since it's a facsimile. I'm thinking you and Ron should see if the title should be credited the same way in each (and so merged, instead of varianted).<br />
Let me know what you think. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:49, 12 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Need your help on this one. This book http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3250 contains a photographic reprint of the contents of this magazine http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57507, so my goal is to merge the content title listings so that both the book and magazine are shown when looking at one of these content titles (for example, like this http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?132348.) What appears to be causing the trouble with the two you note is that Campbell's contents are credited to 'The Editor'. They don't show up in John Campbell's listing so I can't use the 'Check for Duplicate Titles' editing tool. That's why I used the 'variant title' tool. I'm also unclear on whether Campbell articles credited to 'The Editor' are supposed to show up on John Campbell's listing; some do, and some don't, so I can't spot the ISFDB standard. I'd welcome guidance. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:57, 15 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::If the book is a photographic copy, all credits for the original ''Astounding'' material should be the same as those in the magazine (but don't blindly follow the magazine entry; see below). Remember we go by how the works are credited in the material itself. Now, where a piece is credited to The Editor, but something then tells us who The Editor actually is, what we do is make a variant of the "The Editor"-credited material to a title with the same wording but credited to the actual canonical person (John W. Campbell, Jr.). So [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?132348 your example] is not done correctly. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57507 magazine] has "Addenda" credited to The Editor, and then has that a variant of it credited to John W. Campbell, Jr. The "as by" in the content display:<br />
::<pre> • 6 • Addenda • [Editorial (Astounding)] • essay by John W. Campbell, Jr. [as by The Editor ]</pre><br />
::tells us its original credit in the publication. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3250 facsimile reprint], however, has "Addenda" credited to John W. Campbell, Jr., not to The Editor:<br />
::<pre> • 6 • Addenda • [Editorial (Astounding)] • (1939) • essay by John W. Campbell, Jr.</pre><br />
::One of these must be wrong.<br />
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::So, what should you do? If what you see in the book does not agree with what has been entered for the magazine, you should double-check with the magazine's verifier, [[User_talk:Rkihara|Rkihara]]. Everyone makes data entry mistakes, and perhaps something was entered incorrectly there. For the specific "Addenda" example, if it is credited to "The Editor" in your book, then you should use "Remove Titles From This Pub" to remove it, and you should use "Import Content" to bring in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?202411 this one]. By the way, using "Import Content" would have let you make the book use the exact same contents as the magazine (you can import entire contents or individual titles). For ones you have entered that you want to merge, where Check for Duplicates or Show All Titles is too overwhelming, use "Title Search Form" section of Advanced Search: put in the title, use the "AND" option, and put The Editor and choose Author as the second field. That will find you matching titles and will let you merge. If you find a The Editor-credited one that is known to have been done by Campbell, but there's no existing variant, then you'd make one to a new parent having John W. Campbell, Jr.<br />
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::For the two I have on hold, the "In Times to Come" variant should be cancelled. You should make a variant to a new parent, credited to Campbell, Jr. And you should do a merge of the The Editor-credited ones (there are two at the moment). Do one of the two things first, wait for acceptance, then do the other. The second one, too, should be cancelled. You should come to an agreement with Ron about how the entry should be worded, then one should be fixed to match the other and both should be merged. If one or the other is worded correctly, you can actually "fix" and merge at the same time by merging and keeping the wording that is agreed to be correct (use the "note to the moderator" to warn the reviewing moderator you're keeping the correct wording, since a merge of two different wordings can look like a mistake).<br />
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::I hope that helps. If you have any questions or problems, just ask. [[User_talk:Rkihara|Rkihara]] is also a moderator and quite active, so asking him about specific entries in things he has verified could lead to his doing some things quickly that otherwise might take multiple submission + approval cycles. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:20, 15 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Incredibly informative & helpful. Thanks! There was a pre-existing listing for the hardcover reprint, and it had some differences from Ron's listing for the original magazine. Unlike Ron's, the hardcover listing had separate titles for each letter in Brass Tacks, which looks desirable since there are some early fan letters by well known authors. Otherwise, the contents in Ron's listing are superior and authoritative. Therefore, here's what I'd like to do:<br />
::::1. Cancel the 2 previous submissions. (done)<br />
::::2. In my hardcover listing, delete all the titles which are also in Ron's magazine listing.<br />
::::3. Import the contents from Ron's magazine listing.<br />
::::4. For contents by "The Editor" which are not connected to Campbell, do as you've recommended and create a Campbell listing then connect both Editor versions to it.<br />
::::5. Post a note to Ron's page pointing to this conversation and suggesting he import the individual letter listings from the hardcover listing into his magazine listing.<br />
:::Please let me know if you're OK with this, or if there's a better approach. And, again, thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:28, 15 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'd say start with #5, in case Ron has some further suggestions or wants to take some actions. The rest sounds fine, although for #2 and #3, merging what's already entered would require fewer steps than removing, deleting, and importing. But whichever way you feel most comfortable with will get you to the same place. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:35, 16 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Frank R. Paul collection ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420238 this publication]: Can you confirm that the three pieces are credited to "Anonymous" or are they simply "uncredited"? Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:43, 9 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:They were uncredited, but authorship of the book is credited to Jerry Weist so attributed to him. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Acknowledgments ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?450572 this record]: We ordinarily don't create content records for acknowledgments unless it is an actual essay and not just a list of thank yous. Could that be said of the content you added to this record? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]<br />
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:It's in the form of an essay, with more than just a list of thank yous. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:31, 5 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Proposed Modification to a record you verified ==<br />
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Hello. You verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55353 this], and per our courtesy rules I am asking for your comments on my proposal to change the title from "The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other SF Novelets" to "The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other Novelets from Galaxy". I look forward to your input. Thanks! --[[User:Steeltown Jim|Steeltown Jim]] 22:27, 3 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:I have accepted the submission based on the OCLC record which gives the extended title. If this is not the title atated on the title page, please make a submission to change it back. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:10, 4 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Good change. I should have caught that when I edited the stub. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:31, 5 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Stranger ==<br />
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I have changed the credit of {{T|1143147|The Stranger}} to "L. E. Modesitt" (no ", Jr.") based on ISFDB standards of crediting as shown on the story title page. I'm assuming your verified {{P|435699|signed edition}} matches the {{P|324986|unsigned edition}} in this regard. If not, let me know here and I'll separate the records and restore the ", Jr." on your version. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:05, 16 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Thanks. The "Jr" is everywhere else (contents, copyright & limitation pages plus jacket front & blurb) but not the story's title page. Just a comment: the ISFDB standard certainly makes sense as a tie-breaker, but perhaps not so well for a 'heavily out-voted' outlier which is an apparent typo. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:50, 16 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== A Pictorial History of Science Fiction ==<br />
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Can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308366 this verified pub] again? The notes say 'No printed price', but on the front flap of my copy's dustjacket is the statement 'UK Price £3.95'. If the dustjackets are different I'll add a note about this. Thanks for checking, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 08:32, 11 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Interesting. No price anywhere on jacket of my copy. Could mean mine's the US edition and yours is UK. Here are some other points to compare:<br />
::- boards: black cloth embossed in silver on spine<br />
::- "Printed in Holland" on back flap, and "Printed by Smeets, Holland" on copyright page.<br />
::- publisher's cities on copyright page are "London - New York - Sydney - Toronto", and address is "Astronaut House, Feltham, Middlesex, England".<br />
::- ISBN on copyright page and back flap.<br />
:If you decide we should enter a variant, then suggest that you edit the current record, and I clone it to create US variant. But your call. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:45, 16 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::As far as I know, there was no US variant. The UK printing was distributed in the US (I have a copy of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204929 second impression], which was purchased in a retail store in the US.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK. I've restored my verification, made no edits. Thanks for adding the note about dustjacket variants. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:41, 16 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Space Movies'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the title as given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430227 this record] reflects the title given on its title page? According to [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/34191665 OCLC] the title is ''Space Movies: Classic Science Fiction Films''. Thanks for checking. BTW, I've deleted the record for a separate US edition. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:14, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:I didn't make that change because wasn't sure which of these was definitive:<br />
::- Title page: subtitle "Classic Science Fiction Films"<br />
::- Half-title page: no subtitle<br />
::- Copyright page: no subtitle<br />
::- Spine of book: no subtitle<br />
::- Jacket: subtitle "Classic Science Fiction"<br />
:Based on your comment, I'll add the subtitle from the title page. Thanks for deleting that 'US edition'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:25, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::ISFDB standard: the title on the title page, including subtitles, trumps the titles that appear anywhere else in the publication and should be used in the Title field of a publication record. The Title field of the publication record does not have to exactly match the Title field of the title record. That title should be the ''canonical title''. For example, the title page of ''The Courts of Chaos'' may give it as ''The Courts of Chaos: An Amber Novel'', which should be used in the Title field of the publication record, but not in the Title field of the title record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:09, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Pseudonym and variant functions ==<br />
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When making an author into a pseudonym, it is important to variant all of the titles under that pseudonym to ones credited to the canonical author. I've done that for you in the case of N. C. Hanger / Nancy C. Hanger. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:12, 3 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:00, 3 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Teen-Age Super Science Stories ==<br />
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You verified the author of {{p|433460|Teen-Age Super Science Stories}} as Richard M. Elam, Jr. The cover shows Richard M. Elam. Does the title page have Richard M. Elam or Richard M. Elam, Jr.? --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 08:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, "Jr." is on title page of book. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:49, 26 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: Thank you. I added a note to the publication record about that. While adding the note I noticed a minor discrepancy which is "There are 25 "Teen Age Library" titles listed inside FFEP, ending with this book." The problem is, this publication is #27 implying there should be 26 and not 25 titles listed. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 01:24, 29 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::Added a note that the title list inside book omits two titles from jacket back. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:19, 29 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of the Steet'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?276680 this record]: While Edgeworks Abbey is an imprint of The Kilimanjaro Corporation (i.e. Harlan Ellison), Severn House has been around for decades as a British publisher. Also, it's very likely this is a phantom record, as it appears that there was one edition which was distributed in both the US and the UK (based on your notes). If you can't substantiate proof that there were two separate editions, I would suggest deleting one record and verifying the one remaining. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:34, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree that there should be only one record. Let's keep the one I just edited, and delete the other one. Thanks for catch on 'Kilimanjaro'. Didn't know that, and misinterpreted the info on copyright page. I'll clean up the note. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:18, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Serpent's Egg'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm the spelling of the bonus story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273776 this publication]? It's being reprinted in a new Lafferty collection as "Grey Ghost: A Reminiscence". (The note also spells it as "Grey..." instead of "Gray...") Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:04, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Confirmed: on the story's title page, page 167, and on the limitation page, the title is "Gray Ghost, A Reminiscence". I've submitted a correction for my mis-spelling of limitation page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:16, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for the change. In the meantime, I confirmed that the reprint is also titled "Gray..." [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:26, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Periodical page counts ==<br />
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It is ISFDB standard to include the covers for publications typed as MAGAZINE or FANZINE. That's why I'm holding your record to change the page count of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253460 this issue] from 132 to 131. If you include the covers in the count, most periodicals have a page count in a multiple of 4. If you conclude that the submission was in error, please cancel it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:33, 15 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, then page count should be 132. Easiest if you accept my edit, then I'll correct the page count (or you're welcome to correct it.) Thanks for clarifying the standard for magazines. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:46, 15 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I didn't see that you'd also added notes. (Once I saw the page count change I didn't go any further!) I've accepted the submission and reverted the page count. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:50, 15 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Lightspeed ==<br />
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I'm holding a submission to '''update''' (not clone) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?453370 this publication record], changing its title, changing it from a MAGAZINE to an ANTHOLOGY, changing its price, and adding five additional editors. I actually think you have the same edition represented by the record. Regardless of the format, this is a periodical publication, thus its type as MAGAZINE. It also states "Lightspeed Magazine" on the copyright page. About the editor credit, the ISFDB doesn't credit all of roles you cited as being the editor of the publication. The price may have changed since it was listed on Amazon. If your copy has a stated price of $17.99, you can cancel the submission and update the record. Or if you're not convinced that your copy is sufficiently different from the current record, you should cancel the submission and create a new record for what you consider to be an ANTHOLOGY. Either way, you'd have to cancel the submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:19, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Ah-ha! I see now what you're doing. Sorry it took so long, but I went back and saw that this differs from the ebook edition with a new story. But I don't believe it should be considered an ANTHOLOGY. I'll accept the submission, and you can lay out a case for it being one. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:41, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:You should also get rid of those other editors. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:44, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Sorry to make you work so hard on this one. I'll make all the changes you cite, and I appreciate you clarifying the ISFDB standards for this situation. FWIW, though the copyright page does say "Published by Lightspeed Magazine", I'd classify it as an anthology because it's a 489-page "Limited Edition" trade paper book which I believe would be shelved with anthologies in a library. It doesn't appear to be a 'periodical publication' since it's the only one in its series (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?36989), but there are ISFDB anthologies which were periodically published: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8228. In any case, I'll follow your guidance, and thanks for the help. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:03, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Kid from Mars Interiorart ==<br />
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I've been entering Virgil Finlay art books, and several have an illustration from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?272837 The Kid from Mars]. Is there more than one interior illustration by Finlay in that pub? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 16:41, 8 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:No, there's just the one: a meticulously detailed picture of The Kid lifting a sleeping woman. I've edited the book listing to add the interior illustration so that it appears on Finlay's page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:56, 9 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for taking the trouble. Much appreciated! [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 14:15, 9 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Author's name in the title ==<br />
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Are you certain that the author's name is in the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53755 this publication]? That is, on the title page it is given as ''H. G. Wells: The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories'' and credited to H. G. Wells as well. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:33, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:"H. G. Wells", in larger font, precedes the rest of the title on the title page (and on the jacket front and flap.) The half-title page has only "H. G. Wells", which I interpreted to mean it's the title of the book and the rest ("The War of the Worlds" etc.) is subtitle. However, if there's an applicable ISFDB standard, let's follow it. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:34, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Disregarding the half-title page, your entry only makes sense if the full title page states "''H. G. Wells: The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories'' by H. G. Wells". If there is no "by" credit on the title page, then it appears to me that "H. G. Wells" is not part of the title, just the author credit. I don't think there's an applicable ISFDB standard as it doesn't seem to be logical to interpret it any other way. If you disagree, please start a discussion on the Rules & Standards page, and we can create a rule for this situation. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:50, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK. Edited. Thanks for guidance. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:00, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Buck Rogers ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503760 This book] is credited to Calkins on the cover. Can you confirm that Nowlan is credited on the title page? Also, is there a way to determine if there are more than 40K words of text? Otherwise, this appears to be a CHAPBOOK. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:14, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Also you changed the author credit of the title record to "Philip Francis Nowlan" but not the author of the publication record. They should match or it's an error. <br />
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According to OCLC the book is credited as "by Lieutenant Dick Calkins and Phil Nowlan with over 150 pictures to color". Is your copy different? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:18, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm struggling with this listing, and would appreciate your guidance. The OCLC credit is correct, and as it appears on the title page. Nowlan is the author & Calkins is the illustrator. Should I include Calkins as an 'author'? The reason I edited the title record was trying to get the book to show up in Philip Francis Nowlan listing. Thought I could do that by just changing the title record, but leaving the book record as "Phil Nowlan". Please let me know correct method for that outcome. Regarding length, there are 17 chapters, but doubt they average more than a few hundred words each, so, yes, it should be a chapbook. Good catch. Thanks for helping me sort this out. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:31, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::The author field of a publication record must match EXACTLY the author field of its title record. There's no way around it. If you can answer my question about whether this is a novel I can make a better decision about how the publication should be handled. I suspect that it should be a CHAPBOOK credited to Calkins and Nowlan, with content records for the SHORTFICTION credited to Nowlan and the INTERIORART credited to Calkins. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:36, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::BTW, the way to "to get the book to show up in Philip Francis Nowlan listing" is to credit the record EXACTLY as published and then variant its title record to the canonical author. (Phil Nowlan is already established as a pseudonym of Philip Francis Nowlan.) I assumed that you were already familiar with pseudonyms and variants. Ask if you need help on how to do that. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:39, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Stand Still and Die ==<br />
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Would you please confirm that {{T|94428|Stand Still and Die}} in your verified {{P|276680|Children of the Streets}} does not have a exclamation point? {{T|1589047|Other versions}} of this story have the exclamation and I want to confirm before varianting. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:04, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it has an exclamation point. I submitted edit to fix. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:13, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
::It's easier to merge the two versions. That takes one step to fix vs. adding, removing, and then merging the new version created via the add. So I rejected your edit and then merged them. I appreciate you checking. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:29, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good tip. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:37, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantasy Voyages Great Science Fiction from the Saturday Evening Post ==<br />
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I think the publication you want to add is already in the database. (And you've entered it under the wrong title record.) If [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?201573 this record] matches your copy, please cancel your submission and update/verify the existing record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Also, HTML is only allowed in the Note field. Its use in any other field messes with searches. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:41, 9 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I cancelled the new pub and edited the existing. Just now saw your note about HTML in title. I'd appreciate if you could take it out of edit I just submitted. Now that I know, won't do again. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:02, 9 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Pub entered under the wrong title record ==<br />
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Because [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?506869 this publication] has a different title, it should not have been created using the clone function. You should have used the "Add New Anthology" function, completing only the metadata section of the entry form. After that was accepted you could have imported the contents from the other publication record. I'll have to unmerge this publication from its current title. I'll let you decide whether it's sufficiently different to remain a separate title or to variant its title to the original. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:38, 15 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I made the new title a variant of the "Gosh! Wow! ..." title. This is just a hardcover edition of the PBO, with new illustrations and some minor re-titling to Ackerman's essays. Note the copyright attribution for "Gosh Wow ..." on the copyright page of "Sense of Wonder ...". But if there's a better way to do this, I'd appreciate the correction/coaching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:19, 15 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::The problem wasn't with whether it's a variant. The wrong function was used to enter it into the database. You shouldn't use the CLONE function if the title is different from the record you're cloning. (The software shouldn't allow changes in the title and author field when cloning, IMHO.) I agree it should be varianted. Submission accepted. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:29, 15 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah! OK, thanks for coaching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:35, 15 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Campbells Islands of Space ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes to Campbell's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284452 Islands of Space]''. I've also added Bincley as the cover artist as I found a published source stating he did the jacket. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:55, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Art of Robrt McCall ==<br />
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I have added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436796 this book] adding the Canadian price which is printed top right front flap of dust wrapper. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 21:01, 8 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:thanks [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:04, 10 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Greenberg's Travellers of Space ==<br />
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I have some questions regarding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430565 verified copy] the the Martin Greenberg edited anthology ''Travelers of Space''. According to the secondary sources, there were two printings (1951 & c. 1955) and two jackets (Cartier & Binkley). One source, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?983721 Chalker/Owings], as well as the notes on the first printing indicate that the second state jacket was used for some copies of the first printing and they speculate that there may have been two bindings of the single printing. My copy of the first printing does have a first edition statement on the copyright page, directly below the copyright statement. If your copy also includes this statement, then it is either the supposed second binding of the first printing, but definitely the second state jacket. If not, then yours is the second printing which Chalker/Owings dates as c. 1955. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409055 This other source] has a definitive 1955 date. If yours is a first printing with the second state jacket, I think it's fine to have two records for the separate states, but I'll adjust the notes on the record with the Cartier jacket to indicate your record. I'd also recommend that we add an additional record for the true second printing. Alternatively, if yours is a second printing, it's probably OK to just reference the second state jacket in existing Cartier jacket record, as it is now. However, you may want to adjust the date on your record.<br />
Regardless of which edition you have, there are a few errors with the contents that I'd like to fix. If you agree, I'll fix the shared content records which will correct these errors for both our copies. The corrections I want to make are:<br />
#Peeples' credit for "A Dictionary of Science Fiction" should be "Samuel A. Peeples".<br />
#Kyle's credit for "The Interstellar Zoo" should be "David Kyle"<br />
#Heinlein's credit for "Columbus Was a Dope" should be "Lyle Monroe" (this one will have to be handled by editing both our records).<br />
#Since it's clear from the table of contents that Peeples' preface if for the dictionary, I'd suggest changing the disambiguation to the title record so that it reads "Preface (A Dictionary of Science Fiction)". I'm not even sure we'd still need the note regarding this if we made this change.<br />
Let me know if you agree with this changes and any ideas that you have regarding which printing/edition you have. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:49, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I've got 2 copies, one with each jacket:<br />
::- Both copies have "FIRST EDITION" on the copyright page, and identical contents including the misspelling of "Peebles" and other points you note. I can see that I did not carefully review the titles and authors in the stub I verified; all need to be the same as in the canonical listing for the first edition with red Cartier jacket. If you wish, I can do that clean-up. <br />
::- The books have identical binding: gray cloth boards, with red cloth on the spine that has silver-embossed title on spine and blind-embossed rocket and star motif on front. This means my copies do not support the speculation of "two bindings of the single printing." However, the jackets that came with each book have folds and wear consistent with being as published, so this appears to support the source you cite that a "second state jacket was used for some copies of the first printing." (FWIW, without that source, you could also argue that a later jacket was put on a jacketless 1951 First Edition by a book collector back in the 1950's.)<br />
::- The blue Binkley jacket has the same $3.95 price as the red Cartier jacket, and the same blurb text on flaps. However, it has "Illustrations by Edd Cartier with Jacket Design by Ric Binkley" on bottom of front flap, versus "Jacket illustrations by Edd Cartier with Design by David Kyle" on the red Cartier jacket. <br />
::- The red Cartier jacket has 10 titles on back, 3 of which were published as late as 1951: 'Journey to Infinity', 'Foundation', and 'The Fairy Chessmen'. The blue Binkley jacket has 30 titles on back, 6 of which were published as late as 1953: 'The Robot & The Man', 'King Conan', 'Second Foundation', 'Against the Fall of Night', 'Iceworld', and 'Children of the Atom'. This is why I listed my Binkley jacketed book as published in 1953.<br />
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:I really appreciate your scholarship on this book. Since you've done the work and have the sources, I agree that you should edit my verified listing with the additional info about 1st printings in a later jacket, but I strongly recommend that you leave the publication date of my verified listing as 1953. While you're editing it you can also clean up the author & story titles to match the First Edition if you wish, but I'll be glad to do that after you've added your comments. It's your call if you've got enough evidence to create a new, 3rd listing for a 1955 edition. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I agree with you about not changing the date. I was only suggesting the 1955 date if you had a true second printing. I've made the edits and have updated the notes on your record. Of course, you should feel free to rework the notes if you'd like something stated differently. I'll go ahead and clone your copy for the second printing. Thanks again.<br />
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== The Ice Dragon by George R. R. Martin ==<br />
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On [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?469491 The Ice Dragon] by George R. R. Martin, not removing or changing anything, but will edit spacing and add OCLC [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 21:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Weist's Frank R. Paul Book ==<br />
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If you've no objections, I'd like to replace the single interiorart title in Jerry Weist's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420238 Frank R. Paul: The Dean of Science Fiction Illustration]'' with individual titles for each piece. I'd also like to add a couple of sidebar items that are missing (e.g the Roger Hill essay on page 14) and add the Worldcat number to the notes. Lastly, I should be able to get a full scan of the cover. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:23, 23 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Wow, that'll take you awhile. I really appreciate it, as will other ISFDB users. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:45, 25 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Two Sought Adventure ==<br />
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I added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52635 Two Sought Adventure] concerning the two bindings Currey notes, and stating that both were verified (by me). [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:55, 28 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the Canadian price to your verified ==<br />
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I added the Canadian price to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50829].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 23:07, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Campbells The Mightiest Machine ==<br />
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In working on the Paul collection, they reprinted his cover illustration for the Hadley edition of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257186 The Mightiest Machine]'' which you've verified. However, the cover doesn't match the cover, or more precisely, the original cover of our record. I've looked in some secondary sources and it appears that when Hadley folded, the remaining stock (about 300 copies) was acquired by Julius Unger who printed new jackets that listed the publisher as FFF. According to Chalker/Owings the original cover and the interior illustrations are by Betty Wells Halladay. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409055 Kemp] states the same thing. Neither of them credit Paul with the later jacket, but Kemp reprints it and it matches the one in the Paul collection (page 115) which also reprints the spine showing the "FFF". Tuck doesn't credit the cover artist but does credit the interior illustrations as by Pailthorpe.<br />
Could you check for credits for both the jacket and the interior illustrations? I think we have two potential issues, but that will depend on what is in the book.<br />
#For the cover artist, there were clearly two different covers by different artists. We could address this by either listing a second artist on the record which would create to COVERART records, or we could have two separate publication records, one for each cover. I actually favor the latter because it will allow us to link each COVERART record to a scan of the cover. However, I would suggest that the record for second state jacket maintain the publisher as Hadley since there really was only one printing and binding (Black, blue and red cloth were used, but apparently all bound at the same time, so no priority).<br />
#For the interior illustrations, and if there is a credit in the book, or a signature, I'd say we should go with that. If not, then we've got two secondary sources saying Halladay and one saying Pailthorpe. I don't know which I'd recommend going with. If it isn't credited, does it look like the same artist that did the cover did the interiors?<br />
Let me know your opinions on one record vs. two and who to credit for the illustrations. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:19, 13 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for doing this research. I just studied the book and updated the listing. I agree that there should be a second listing for the FFF edition. You could argue that, for that listing, the printer is still Hadley but the publisher is FFF ... but I'll defer to you on what ISFDB standards dictate. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:39, 13 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Here's what I added to my verified listing ... "Illustrated by Robert Pailthorpe" on title page. Blurb on front flap of jacket notes, "The Jacket and Illustrations are the work of Robert Pailthorpe ...." All four of the interior illustrations are signed with Pailthorpe's name or initials. There is no signature on the jacket art. Noted without explanation: both Chalker/Owings and Kemp credit the interior illustrations and this edition's jacket art to Betty Wells Halladay. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I kept the publisher as Hadley. My reasoning is that the title page would still say Hadley. Also, none of the secondary sources (as few as they are) consider the rejacketed copies a FFF publication. Perhaps that's because Unger was essentially a used book dealer. I don't know that we've ever come up with a standard for this sort of situation, which is admittedly quite rare.In any case, it allowed me to variant the Paul jacket properly, which finishes Weist's Paul book. Thanks for your help and let me know if you see anything with either book that needs fixing. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 00:16, 17 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover artist ==<br />
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Added artists for some of the Scithers' anthologies that you submitted. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:36, 14 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Year's Best SF 5 ==<br />
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Hi, I added the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291383 Year's Best SF 5]. It is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1096986 John Harris].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 11:25, 14 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Williamson's The Cometeers ==<br />
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I was getting ready to inform you that I had added the interior art records and expanded the notes (to include the Reginald1 number) of the Fantasy Press edition of Jack Williamson's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37357 The Cometeers]''. While looking it up in Reginald and Tuck, I discovered that we apparently have this book listed incorrectly, as it not only contains the novel ''The Cometeers'', but also contains ''One Against the Legion'' and we should have this listed as an OMNIBUS containing both novels. Let me know if you agree and I'll go ahead and make the edits, as well as the others I proposed. I'll also leave a note on the other verifier's page, but I'm not certain how active they are. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:34, 18 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Great catch! I just checked it out and, yes, it's an omnibus: the Contents page divides the book's content into "Book One / The Cometeers" (pages 1-168) and "Book Two / One Against the Legion" (pages 169-310.) Let me know if you'd like me to do any of this edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:01, 18 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Disch poem in ''Nebula Award Stories Seventeen'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the poem on page 281 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23461 this publication] is credited to Thomas M. Disch, and not "Tom Disch"? He almost always used the shorter form for his poetry. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:02, 25 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. I just now submitted edits to fix. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:44, 28 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Toward a Greater Appreciation of H. P. Lovecraft: The Analytical Approach ==<br />
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Hi. Both [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289017 Whispers 1] and your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13844 First World Fantasy Awards] have the essay "Toward a Greater Appreciation of H. P. Lovecraft: The Analytical Approach" by "Dirk W. Mosig". In the Whispers he is credited on the essay title page as "Professor Dirk W. Mosig" (already an alias). Could you check your anthology and see if it's credited that way. If so, I can just change the title page and correct both at once. Also, in my version there is no space between H. and P. in the title. Could you check that as well. I will notify the other verifier once you answer back. Thanks, Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 23:56, 3 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:You're right: "Professor Dirk W. Mosig" on page 290 of 'First World Fantasy Awards'. Thanks for catching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:50, 4 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
::No problem - correction submitted. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 02:48, 4 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Twelve Tomorrows'' ==<br />
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According to the Note there is no printed price on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?521435 this publication], but the scan you just uploaded has the price printed on the front cover. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:57, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for catching this. Just submitted edit to fix. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:59, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Adventures to Come'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:1937AdventuresToCome2.jpg This image file] was uploaded without the prerequisite license, but it is a duplicate of a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:ADVTTC1937.jpg file] already on the server. Unless there's a reason I'm not understanding, the license-less file will have to be deleted. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:06, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I acquired a copy with jacket, so I'm posting the jacket image with the listing, then moving that image of the 1st & 2nd printing boards to a secondary location, and will add a link to that image in the listing notes. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:08, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::You still need a license on the file. It would have been better to just upload the jacket image file, first changing the file name, and then correcting the links in the publication record. I'll make the necessary changes to make the file "legal". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:13, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, you have to use HTML to link in a publication record's Note field. Wiki markup doesn't work in publication records. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:16, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::appreciate the coaching. Submitted edit to correct the HTML. I'll follow this process in future if need to upload additional images. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:59, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Derleth's Far Boundaries ==<br />
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I've made a few changes to August Derleth's anthology ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13206 Far Boundaries]''.<br />
*I've added the subtitle to the publication record. <br />
*I've added the overall introduction and the section introductions that we were missing.<br />
*I've corrected the credit for the John Wyndham story from "John Benyon" to "John Benyon Harris"<br />
*I've added the Reginald number, the LCCN and linked the Worldcat number.<br />
Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:22, 11 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Great additions & corrections. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:53, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Smith's "The City of the Singing Flame" ==<br />
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I was reading the story notes for the Night Shade edition of Clark Ashton Smith's stories and I discovered that there are multiple versions of his story "The City of the Singing Flame". It appears that it when it was published in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?381704 Spring 1940 issue] of ''Tales of Wonder'', the editor combined the story with its sequel "Beyond the Singing Flame" by altering some of Smith's prose and adding a bridging paragraph. Further, when Smith was preparing ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25326 Out of Space and Time]'', he was unable to locate either his carbon or a copy of the original ''Wonder Stories'' appearance of the tale and instead sent along tear sheets from ''Tales of Wonder'' containing the combined story. I have compared the two versions from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99391 Night Shade collection] which contains the original story and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296744 Bison reprint] of ''Out of Space and Time'' which contains the combined story. The former ends with "Tomorrow, I shall return to the city." Whereas the combined version ends with "And there, at length, we came once more to the greyish-green columns that were the gateway between worlds." I have corrected my copy of ''Out of Space and Time'' as well as the unverified copies. The story notes also mention that the combined version was used in August Derleth's anthology ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44942 The Other Side of the Moon]'' which you have verified. Could you check your copy so that we can swap out the version of the story if needed. I'll also point out that there are at least three variants of the wording of the title. You currently have "'''The''' City of '''the''' Singing Flame". This is also how Contento1 has it, but they also indicate that it is the single story version, so they may be wrong. Once you've verified the title, I can swap out the versions in the reprints of the Derleth anthology, unless you'd like to go ahead with those too. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:17, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Excellent scholarship! I've got 3 books containing the story:<br />
:- "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14728 From Off This World]" contains both the original story as "The City of Singing Flame", and the sequel "Beyond the Singing Flame". The ISFDB listing has incorrect title for the original story ("... '''the''' Singing Flame".) I'll 3rd Verify the listing, and correct the title.<br />
:- "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44942 The Other Side of the Moon]" has the combined version, titled "The City of '''the''' Singing Flame". It's incorrectly connected as a variant to the original (short) story in my listing, and in the unverified other 2 listings for this book title. I'll edit all 3, deleting the story then re-adding so I can variant to the combined version.<br />
:- "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20826 Lost Worlds, Unknown Horizons]" listing is correct: it has the original story (i.e. ending with "Tomorrow, I shall return ..."), titled "The City of '''the''' Singing Flame".<br />
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:FWIW, I noted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1495757 this listing] which says it's a different combined version edited by Garyn Roberts instead of Walter Gillings. My copy of that "Prentice Hall Anthology" is packed away so I can't verify if, indeed, it's different. The listing's verifier, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:MLB MLB] may be able to check ... but I'll leave that to you if you want to ping him. Let me know if you'd like for me to make any edits other than the ones I've noted. And THANKS for the scholarship! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 07:09, 14 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for making those edits. I has already noticed the other combined story. However, I decided to leave them as separate titles because of the two different editors. Especially since Gillings added some of his own material. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:44, 16 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Madonna and the Starship ==<br />
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Before approving your submissions, can you clear the matter withe the PVs? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 09:49, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
:I approve of the edits. However, I think additional edits are required to add a CHAPBOOK title record to the contents. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:50, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Done. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:53, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::Apologies for missing that check-off. Seemed like an obvious edit, but I take your point. Thanks for handling for me. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:29, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::No worries. It's not the most obvious series of edits. I had offered my assent only as one of the verifiers. My intent was to save you the trouble of notifying me, since I had noticed the conversation in my watchlist. I'll leave a note on Bill's page, but we probably should have waited for him before proceeding. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:27, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::::Happy with the edits as they are now [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 09:21, 29 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Stanislow or Stanislaw ==<br />
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Can you confirm the cover art credit given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35657 this record]? The canonical form of the artist name is {{A|Stanislaw Zagorski}}. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:50, 26 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:It's spelled "...ow" on the jacket of this book. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:27, 26 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
::I'm not a PV of this, not sure why I was included in this message?[[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 09:24, 29 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::You weren't. This message was posted only on the PV editor's talk page, and no other's. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:57, 29 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In Real Life'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?529671 this record]: A graphic novel isn't really a NOVEL (more than 40,000 words), so it should be entered as a CHAPBOOK with content records for the art and the fiction. Keep in mind that graphic novels are only eligible for the database if they are by an author who is "above the threshold". This was accepted into the database ''only'' because Doctorow is credited on the title page as the author, even though from the copyright it appears he had no input into the actual work. If the title page had truthfully stated "Adaptation of a story by Cory Doctorow" the publication wouldn't have been eligible. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:37, 1 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:As always, thanks for the coaching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:16, 1 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Cory Doctorow adaptations ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?529498 this publication]: the "(graphic adaptation}" disambiguation added to the titles of the contents is not necessary. We can now flag each fiction title record to identify it as being in a graphic format. (Both disambiguation and flagging the INTERIORART records is also superfluous.) Please adjust the titles and add the graphic flag to the fiction titles when you get a chance. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:56, 15 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I also see that the INTERIORART records give two artists credit, when it appears that based on your note that they are not collaborations: one is for the title page and one is for the story. If so, they should each get a separate content record. Otherwise it would look like the two artists worked together for the arat of the entire story. 17:59, 15 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Edited per your guidance. Let me know if I missed anything. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:21, 16 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Looks good. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:39, 16 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Twenty-First Century Science Fiction ==<br />
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I added notes (Canadian price, LCCN, & comment on story introductions) to your verified {{P|428841|Twenty-First Century Science Fiction}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:44, 30 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Acknowledgments (again) ==<br />
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As previously pointed out, we normally don't create content records for these unless they are more than just a list of "thank you"s. Looking at the Amazon Look Inside for ''Telling Tales'', I don't see how McCoy's acknowledgments are exceptional. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:46, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I submitted Note to the book title record with content which I believes justifies having a record for McCoy's essay. Let me know if you'd prefer I delete the Note and/or essay record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:58, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm not sure that one sentence makes an ESSAY, but I'll drop the issue. (Just don't start creating content records for blurbs, most of which run for more than a sentence and have more value than this work!) BTW, wouldn't that explanation make more sense in the note field of the title record of the ESSAY rather than the title record of the ANTHOLOGY? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:14, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK, I deleted the Acknowledgement record. With it gone, I'll leave the comment on the anthology title record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:29, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Humanoids ==<br />
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I added the Reginald number to the notes for Williamson's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?179277 The Humanoids]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:19, 10 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Radio Man ==<br />
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I've added an item for the interior artwork to Farley's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?428966 The Radio Man]''. I've also expanded the notes with catalog numbers for some of the secondary sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:46, 16 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Great additions. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:21, 18 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Default display of non-English translations ==<br />
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When you get a chance, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Followup_to_Translations_not_shown_on_author_page_when_not_logged_in this discussion]? The proposal basically boils down to changing the behavior of the Summary Bibliography when the viewing user is not logged in. Currently only English translations are displayed for unauthenticated users. The proposal would change it to displaying ''all'' translations. The downside is that the Summary page could get longer and harder to navigate.<br />
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I am trying to get a sense of how widespread the support for this change is. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 01:03, 20 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for he heads-up. I never think to browse the community portal. The discussion was interesting. I posted an opinion. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:27, 20 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks! :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:02, 20 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Editor credit ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46928 this publication]: We don't use copyright page credit to determine responsibility, unless there is no other credit stated in the book. Otherwise we use what is stated on the title page of the book. So I removed the editor credit for David Hartwell. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:58, 20 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:OK. I assume you'll do the same for 'The SFWA Grand Masters, Volume Two', which also had an editor credit for Hartwell on the copyright page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:12, 21 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I accepted your submission for Volume 2, and then went back and removed the Hartwell credit. I'll leave it to you to finish the cleanup submitting content deletes, etc. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 01:27, 21 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK, thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Jones' The Toymaker ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes to Raymond Jones' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48774 The Toymaker]'', adding the Reginald number and describing the binding of my copy which doesn't seem to match any of those already mentioned. I also noticed that we had the title wrong for "The Deadly Host" where we had omitted "The". I've corrected that as well. Let me know if you have any problems with my changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:16, 14 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
:I notice that you have also have verified the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?427409 paperback edition]. My understanding is that FPCI generally did a single printing with several bindings, so I would expect that the same change for "The Deadly Host" would be needed for the paperback. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:21, 14 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Good catch. Fixed. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:29, 15 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== I added publisher's number ==<br />
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I added publisher's number to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249814].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 20:23, 2 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Bad HTML ==<br />
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The HTML in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?4861 this record's Note field] is pretty messed up. Did you want to repair it, or should I? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:34, 10 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Fixed. Sorry about that. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:24, 10 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange and Fantastic Stories ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270849 Strange and Fantastic Stories]'', adding the catalog numbers for Reginald and Bleiler. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:38, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Merril's SF:'57 ==<br />
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I expanded the notes to our mutually verified publication of Judith Merril's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29756 SF:'57]'' adding several catalog numbers. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:23, 4 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
:Also her ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34937 The 5th Annual of the Year's Best S-F]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:31, 4 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''No Boundaries'' cover image ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:NBNDRSJLXM1955.jpg this record]: We usually don't include the back cover unless it's wraparound art. Is there any reason to make an exception for this one? We don't want to create a precedent and have others point to it when wanting to upload other images that show back covers that are text only. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:48, 6 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:OK. Fixed. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:54, 7 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Moore's Shambleau ==<br />
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I added the Reginald and Bleiler catalog numbers to C. L. Moore's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30127 Shambleau and Others]''. I also linked the existing Worldcat and Library of Congress numbers. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:19, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Playboy Book of Science Fiction and Fantasy ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45400 The Playboy Book of Science Fiction and Fantasy]'' adding Reginald and Bleiler numbers. I also linked the LOC number. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:59, 24 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Post Reader of Fantasy and Science Fiction ==<br />
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I expanded the notes to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26482 The Post Reader of Fantasy and Science Fiction]'' adding record numbers for Reginald and Bleiler. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:08, 28 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Most Forgetable Story in the World ==<br />
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Would you mind double checking the spelling of "forgetable" in the title of {{T|68102|The Most Forgetable Story in the World}} from {{P|20584|Long Night of Waiting by Andre Norton and other stories}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:45, 1 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Thanks! Fixed that, and also corrected the story title pages. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:07, 1 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Outsiders: Children of Wonder ==<br />
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Hello, I've put your submission on hold, please clear the matter of your proposed date change with the PVs. The dates in Cole may be wrong, as is the case with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?405658 this pub] falsely dated by Cole 04-15-1951 although all data on the book point to a March date. Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:37, 4 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, but I'm unclear on what I'd be asking Willem and Don. I've also got a copy of this paperback and, as the isfdb record notes, its copyright page says it's "published June 1954". Cole simply adds the day of the month (June 7, 1954.) There's no data in the book to verify that day ... so what would I be asking them to verify? That said, I agree that Cole, by itself, doesn't 'trump' a date printed in a book. So far, I've only added Cole dates when the isfdb record is missing a publication month, or when it's got the same month as Cole but missing the day of the month. Please advise if I should be following a different process. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:52, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Two things, first if you own the book, think about becoming a PV, second, I just want you to ask the other PV if they agree to your changes. Beause if I was concerned as a PV, I wouldn't agree with them as so precise data from Cole is (IMHO) questionable. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:20, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Unnumbered pages ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1055 this publication]: Did you plan on adding a record for the content which appears on the 6 unnumbered pages before the last novel. If they don't contain significant text, they shouldn't be added to the page count field. The note itself should be sufficient. Also, the page numbers given for the start of each of the contents should reflect the published page number. According to your note, the pagination started over with each novel. You can use the pipe method for page numbering to provide the order of their appearance within the book. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:50, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Can you point to an example of the 'pipe method'? I couldn't find a reference to 'pipe' in the Policy, FAQ, Discussions or Portal pages. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:36, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::It's explained [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Content_Information here] in the '''Regular Titles''' section of the Content entry help page. Look at the '''Page''' subsection, to the bulleted section titled ''Sorting''. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:25, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Those un-numbered pages contain the novel's title page, so I've got to somehow reference them as the novel's first page. Appreciate guidance on that. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:36, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually you don't have to reference pages that don't have content on them., especially in a publication which has non-standard pagination. Since each of these novels "start" on the first page of their section of the publication, you can enter the first at "1|1", the second as "1|2", and the third as "1|3". Only the number "1" will be displayed, and the number after the pipe gives the order in which the titles will be displayed in the contents section of the publication record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:25, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good to know about that use of pipe character. Thanks. I submitted correction to page numbers. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:54, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Cyberiad ==<br />
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Hi. While checking the tp Seabury Press version of <cite>The Cyberiad: Fables for the Cybernetic Age</cite> against [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37775 your verified] hc version, I noticed the story title of "Prince Ferrix and the Princess Crystal" on the title page of the tp has "the Princess" and yours has no "the" in front of "Princess". Out of the six verified ISFDB editions of this work, two have "the" and four don't have the "the". Seems odd that the tp & hc of the same publisher would be different - could you kindly check your version and see if it has the "the". I'll ask the others to join us here as well, just to make sure we don't have an extra variant out there. If, by some chance, all of the verified copies have the "the" in the title, should all the unverified copies be changed? Also, since both variants of this story are variants to the Polish title, if you change the "non-the" title to the "the" title, do you merge that with the other "the" titles?<br><br />
Also, I notice that some of the verified copies have the subtitle "Fables for the Cyberntetic Age" and some don't. (Mavmaramis & Astrodan) Should that be checked as well? Thanks, Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 05:08, 4 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I have corrected the title of the story in my PV'd record. Most likely this was caused by the importing of contents which were initially incorrect. I also added the subtitle to the canonical title, since the vast majority of the publications include it. There's one unverified record now that doesn't have that more complete title, but nothing requires that it do. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:27, 4 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I checked my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193781 The Cyberiad] - contents page and the story itself has title as "Prince Ferrix and the Princess Crystal" no leading 'the' Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:31, 9 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1816536 少女] ==<br />
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I updated the date to match the oldest release of this short story. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:48, 5 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Clarke's ''Reach for Tomorrow'' ==<br />
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Does your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284755 this] have a printed price? If not, please add that to the record. And please remember to do a primary verification of the record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:10, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I'll be editing and adding Pub Notes ... but not a price. My copy's jacket is price clipped. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:53, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Imperial Earth'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192257 This record] was originally intended to be for the January 1976 first printing. But based on the letter line, are you certain that it's not a second printing with an unknown publication date? I know some publisher's have different ways of indication a first printing, but shouldn't removing the "A" indicate a second printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:27, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Some [http://www.whiteunicornbooks.com/home/glfirsted.html research] about identifying HB&J's first editions shows: <br />
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:"...that from 1973 to 1983, HB&J did not use the "A", i.e. "First Edition/ABCD", but instead used "First Edition/BCDE." <br />
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It might be a good idea to note this in case a collector checks these records to see if he/she has a true first edition. I will place a note on the publisher's page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:34, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Paul Collins' ''Envisaged Worlds'' ==<br />
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I have recently acquired a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12471 Envisaged Worlds] for which you are the primary verifier. My dust jacket appears a little different from yours: the fill in the drawings is much finer in my copy (though perhaps this is an artifact of the scan?), plus, at the bottom of the front cover there is "Void" with "6•7•8" underneath.<br />
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Does your dust jacket have " Void | 6•7•8 " at the bottom? If not, I'll do a clone. If so, I'll replace the cover scan with one from my copy, if that's OK by you.<br />
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Also, would you please check the authorship of "Creator", starting on page 57. My copy has it as just David Lake. If you agree, I'll add a line with the new authorship / remove old record / adjust vt/duplicate/...<br />
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ditto "Nemaluk and the Star-Stone", page 77. I have Frank Bryning. ditto re fix.<br />
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ditto "What Evil Must Do", page 153. I have L. Godfrey, not Lynette. ditto re fix.<br />
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I'd also like to put, in the Pub Series field, "Void magazine"; plus "6•7•8" in the Pub Series # field. ("Void magazine" not "Void" in the Pub Series is from what I've read & a long story.)<br />
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Thanks --[[User:Clarkmci|clarkmci / j_clark]] 06:33, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for finding this flawed image. I uploaded a corrected compression of the scan. And thanks for fixing those author credits. Agree with all. As for "6•7•8", no, that string does not appear on either jacket or book of my copy. I don't know a reason for the difference. In case you enter a variant, then FWIW boards of mine are brown cloth, stamped in gilt on spine with same text as spine of jacket. The ISBN is on the copyright page, but not on the jacket. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:07, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for responding so quickly. Very interesting about the cover difference - I suspect it's to do with the Void magazine connection I mentioned above. As I understand it, subscribers to Void mag. got this instead of issues 6, 7, 8. <br />
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::I'll make the author fixes; then clone for my cover variant, putting the Pub Series stuff in my pub record. --[[User:Clarkmci|clarkmci / j_clark]] 08:40, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Done. --[[User:Clarkmci|clarkmci / j_clark]] 09:25, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Good edits. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:32, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Aspects of Science Fiction'' ==<br />
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If your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3213 this publication] has an ISBN, then it can't be the 1959 edition. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:55, 28 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Fixed: moved that ISBN to a mention in pub note. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Stories (Yefremov) ==<br />
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Hi, I linked your 1954 edition to [https://www.worldcat.org/title/stories/oclc/823751196 OCLC 823751196].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:42, 5 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Artist signature ==<br />
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We don't use the signature as a basis to credit cover art unless it can be identified as that of a known artist. I will hold the submission to update my verified record in order for you to identify the artist. Otherwise, just a note providing the signature is sufficient without a cover art record being created. The standard is explained [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Cover_Art here]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:08, 11 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:OK. Cancelled that edit, and submitted new edit with just the Pub Note. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:50, 12 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Long Haul From the ANNALS OF TRANSPORTATION, The Pacific Monthly, May 2009 ==<br />
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Could you please add your opinion to [[User_talk:Herzbube#The_Long_Haul_From_the_ANNALS_OF_TRANSPORTATION.2C_The_Pacific_Monthly.2C_May_2009|this discussion]] on my talk page? Thanks, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 11:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Replied on your talk page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:21, 14 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Eleventh Galaxy Reader ==<br />
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Could you please check the title of the introduction on page 1 of {{P|39089|this pub}} that you verified? I'm asking because in {{P|284016|the SFBC edition}} the introduction appears with this title:<br />
Introduction: How to Spot the Good Ones<br />
Thanks for looking. Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 22:41, 16 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch! Thanks. Submitted edit to fix. Note that I'm not appending "(book title)" as http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1995079. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:49, 17 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Unnumbered and Roman numbered? ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?560836 this publication]: How is the page count possible? Bracketed numbers in the page count field indicate the number of ''unnumbered'' pages. If the pages are Roman numbered, then they're entered without brackets. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:14, 19 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry. Typo. Fixed. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:51, 19 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Quantum Night ==<br />
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I added the author's note and the "further reading" essay to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556917 this verified pub]. Also added a note about the cover art. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 19:55, 25 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:53, 26 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories ==<br />
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I've added the Reginald number, and linked the Worldcat and LCCN numbers for Wells' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53755 The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:18, 7 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== James Burns ==<br />
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Hello, the artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573122 this pub] is given as per your notes as "James" Burns. We clearly should consider this as typo. I've corrected the data. If you're not OK with the changes, just tell me, I'll revert them. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:55, 10 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:That's fine. I never encountered this situation before, so just entered the name as it appeared. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:54, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Nebula Awards 20 ==<br />
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Added a artist credit to your PV'd copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?209485 Nebula Awards 20]. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 01:51, 12 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== 28 Science Fiction Stories of H. G. Wells ==<br />
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Hi, I imported content for your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?562992 28 Science Fiction Stories of H. G. Wells].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 22:56, 29 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
== Science Fiction & Reader's Guide ==<br />
Hi. I added the glossary (which appears to belong only to the Lancelot Biggs story) to the listing because it's sf and is listed in the TOC, if that's okay with you. <br />
Also, I was thinking of changing the two excerpt stories to variants instead because they're really shorter stories on their own with beginning and end, if that's okay with you. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 06:33, 3 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello. I'm fine with addition of "Glossary" as an essay, but have some recommendations:<br />
::- This glossary is not in 'Lancelot Biggs: Spaceman' (I'm pv for that book), so the title should be "Glossary (Science Fiction and Reader's Guide)".<br />
::- There no author credit for the this glossary, so author should be "uncredited". It's not implausible that the editors of this "Children's Hour" book wrote the Glossary for their younger readership. A possible proof point: I noted the editors excised an instance of "damn" from Bond's original text.<br />
::- Suggest adding a Pub Note about the footnote on page 70 ("See glossary, page 141")which ties the Glossary to Bond's story.<br />
:Regarding changing the excerpts to variants:<br />
::- Re: 'Mars and Miss Pickerell' I have to ask: make it a variant of what? AFAIK, the source material was only previously published within http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?422827, and I didn't think a piece of short fiction could be a variant of a novel.<br />
::- Re: 'Lancelot Biggs on the Saturn', you're right. It's the first story in the fix-up novel http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19896 (pages 9-40.) Do you know the title under which this story was originally published? If so, then agree it should be a variant of that story title. If you don't know its original title, then I may be able to figure that out with some research. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:15, 3 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Best SF Two ==<br />
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Can you check your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4150 Best SF Two] for the credit of the Heinlein and Simak stories? My third printing is missing the middle initials. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 09:09, 11 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:You're right: no middle initials in author credits for those 2 stories. Good catch. I'll fix my listing. Thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:44, 11 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I'll fix the unverified publications. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 19:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Collector's Book of Science Fiction by H.G. Wells ==<br />
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Hi. Regarding your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37319 The Collector's Book of Science Fiction by H.G. Wells], the content on p.vii should be "Herbert George Wells: A Biographical Note" and should be merged with the identical title in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?583318 this pub] as far as I can see. As it is now it's merged with the two other dated titles that have "H.G." not "Herbert G."<br><br />
I think if you follow the page rules, this should have vii+514+[1] since you've added the Bibliographical Note as content on an unnumbered page.<br><br />
Also, I've checked the interiorart contents on this same pub version and it seems accurate. Do you mind if I add it to your pub? Thanks, Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 01:16, 13 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catches! Made the fixes. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:50, 13 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
::No prob. But it looks like you deleted the Bibliographic Note on what would be p.[515]. That's fine but now you don't need the +[1] anymore, as I read it, because you don't have content that needs to be indexed. Confusing? Not much :) Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 03:18, 14 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Larry Sternig and William Campbell Gault ==<br />
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I'm looking into a new editor's revelation that Larry Sternig was a real person and collaborated with Gault on some things. In your verified {{P|34640|Teen-Age Space Adventures}} is a short story{{T|76975|Venusian Invader}}, credited to Sternig, and we have that as a variant of that same title but credited solely to Gault. Is there any other information in the book that might indicate whether Gault had any hand in it? I am pursuing the other pubs/verifiers. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:07, 29 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Only credit is to Sternig. No reference to Gault in the book. I don't recall making the connection to Gault, so must have already been in the stub I edited. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:14, 29 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Gigantic Worlds ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission but was wondering if the "untitled" pieces shouldn't be disambiguated (note that there are even two by the same author).[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 07:57, 10 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good point. Submitted edit to fix. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:54, 10 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Nebula Awards Showcase: 2009 ==<br />
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I added a response to your comment at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#Nebula Awards Showcase: 2009]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 15:15, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''More Tales from the Forbidden Planet'' ==<br />
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I'd like to change the page numbering on our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294745 More Tales from the Forbidden Planet] from [xii]+268 to [4]+268+[8]. There are actually no Roman numerals on the leading pages, so according to point 3 under Pages in the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages New Pub Help] it should be Arabic numbers appearing within the brackets. Also, counting back from the last page of the Introduction is only 4 pages – there's no need to record unnumbered pages before that. You have included in the contents Biographies from unnumbered page 269, so this should also appear in the total page numbering, totalling 8 pages. I'm happy to make the edits if you're not sure how to use the 'pipe' method to make sure all unnumbered contents appear in their correct place. Cheers. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 10:49, 19 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good edits! Yes, please go ahead and make them. (FWIW, that numbering was in the stub I edited ... but my bad for not catching it then.) Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:25, 19 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Translations of "The Horla" ==<br />
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As you surely know, back in the early days of the DB, different translations of the same story weren't given separate title records, but now this practice has changed. I'm about to sort the various English translations of Guy de Maupassant's "The Horla" into separate title records and wanted to consult you, as a primary verifier, before I do so. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?67969 Here] is the title record for all the publications that haven't been sorted yet, and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Vasha77/Translations_of_The_Horla here] is the list I made, of all the translations I know of (thirteen of them) and which publications belong to which. I hope you can contribute some more information. <br />
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You verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2648 Androids, Time Machines and Blue Giraffes]''; I believe it has the uncredited 1903 translation. Can you confirm that, by comparing the first paragraph of the story to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Vasha77/HorlaFirstParagraphs comparison page]? And then let me know what exact translator credit is given, if any. Also, does it have the subtitle "or Modern Ghosts" as that particular version sometimes does?<br />
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If you happen to have any of the other unsorted publications, information about them would be appreciated. Thank you very much for the help! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 05:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Wow. I admire the scholarship. Yes, you are correct: the version in 'Androids, Time Machines ...' has the first paragraph of the uncredited 1903 translation. There is no subtitle on the story's title page, but there is the following editor's note: "This story was first published on October 26, 1886 in 'Gil Blas', a French newspaper. A revised version was published the following year by Paul Ollendorff of Paris." Wish I could help with the other unsorted pubs, but I don't have any of them. Let me know if anything else I can do to help. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:16, 25 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing pub date for anthologies after Cole ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission for updating diverse anthologies. Please note that, as you're modifying data that is PVed, our etiquette requires that you notify the PV(s). Consider this done for me. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:32, 27 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Offerings ==<br />
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If it's OK with you, I'll start adding contents to Brom's Offerings [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 23:19, 14 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Are you kidding? I'd be delighted! I know how much work that's going to be, so a huge 'THANK YOU'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:25, 14 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Hugo Winners ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed that several publications of The Hugo Winners, e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?187417 this one], contain "Postscript (The Hugo Winners)" just before the appendix, but the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41813 1962 edition], which you verified, does not. Could you please check if this is correct? Thanks, [[User:Darkday|Darkday]] 23:27, 29 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. It isn't listed in Table of Contents, so I'd missed it. Just submitted edit to add. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:36, 29 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Uploading images ==<br />
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Hello, I'm just dropping a line to verify if you're aware that 1) the images that you're uploading are usually significantly heavier that those replaced (sometimes up to four times) which may prove problematic in the future (our diskspace is limited) and 2) that the "old" scans have to manually deleted by a moderator. It's up to you to see if the addition of the spine is worth the trouble. Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:37, 30 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
:I appreciate the guidance. I certainly don't want to make unnecessary work for moderators, but as a long-time book collector, I do think it's important to show spines on jackets. If the current 150K size limit for images fails to address future space concerns, then seems we should establish smaller limit on image size going forward. In the meantime, though, if I do an image replacement I'll scale it to the size of the replaced image to assure no net impact on storage. BTW, what is the funding model for this wiki? I've wondered about this since day 1. As Heinlein said, TANSTAAFL. If we have storage concerns, then seems we have funding concerns. I'd rather be part of the solution than part of the problem. :) Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks for your reply. For money matters, IIRC all come from the Ahasuerus' pockets. Some of us have already proposed to participate in the costs of the server (which are the only ones as all the rest is strictly on a volunteer basis), but it seemed not necesssary for now. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 07:05, 31 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Best American SFF 2015 ==<br />
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Hi, in ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585053 The Best American Science Fiction and Fantasy 2015]'', which you've verified, I changed the title of the story "Duniazat" to "Duniazát" as my copy has it. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 01:06, 31 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Heinlein's Assignment in Eternity ==<br />
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I added the Reginald number to the notes for Heinlein's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3239 Assignment in Eternity]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:11, 3 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Variants ==<br />
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Here are two possible variants:<br />
*{{T|56282|Game for Blondes}} from {{P|35919|The Best Science-Fiction Stories: 1953}} and {{T|2110208|A Game for Blondes}} from {{P|29427|Second Galaxy Reader of Science Fiction}}<br />
*{{T|56261|Star, Bright}} from {{P|26754|Prize Science Fiction}} and {{T|2110207|Star Bright}} from {{P|29427|Second Galaxy Reader of Science Fiction}}<br />
In each case, I would assume the stories are the same. As you have verified both pubs, would you mind double checking that and also the titles given in ''Second Galaxy Reader of Science Fiction'' since they are different from typical. Based on that, they should be varianted, merged, or notes added as applicable. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 02:05, 18 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Fixed. Thanks for catching this 'clean up' edit I'd missed when entering 2nd Galaxy Reader. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:44, 18 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Russell's Deep Space ==<br />
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I've added the Reginald number to Eric Frank Russell's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9730 Deep Space]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 00:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Mind Fields: The Art of Jacek Yerka, the Fiction of Harlan Ellison ==<br />
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I added a cover scan to your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82997 here]. I also added the individual artworks to the contents for the first printing of this pub, which you can import if you wish. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Looking Glass Library, Epstein & Carroll ==<br />
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You entered and PVerified 1960 ''The War of the Worlds'', Looking Glass Library #21, as publisher Epstein & Carroll, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?163 publication series LGL].<br />
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Yesterday I added the other Epstein & Carroll book in the database --1961 ''The Phantom Tollbooth'' 1st ed.-- learned something about E&C from Wikipedia and from bookdealer images of that book, and added all of our Notes on publisher [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?49530 publisher Epstein & Carroll].<br />
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We have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?34701 publisher Looking Glass Library] used by other editors for three 1959/60 books including one PVerified. None of those records mentions Epstein & Carroll in Notes but we have linked OCLC records that state "Looking Glass Library; distributed by Random House", presumably from the title page, which fits your Notes and suggests that Epstein & Carroll is named on the copyright page and only there.<br />
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I would like to revise your record as '''Publisher: Looking Glass Library''' and '''Catalog ID: #21''', parallel to the records of #9 and #18. Then complete cross-references and Notes at Publisher: LGL and Publ series: LGL, explaining the former relation to Epstein & Carroll and the latter restriction to later revival of the brand by Random House in its own name.<br />
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(In user space I have notes on the 1959-1961 series, which has about 10 more of its 28 titles in the database, based on this [http://www.lib.luc.edu/specialcollections/exhibits/show/gorey/looking-glass-library/looking-glass-3 Loyola University exhibition list].) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:57, 10 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Also in your record I would (as always) link LCCN: [https://lccn.loc.gov/60013060 60-013060]. That library record states "[Epstein and Carroll Associates]; distributed by Random House", unlike others; no doubt merely a variant way of deriving database field values from the same title and copyright pages.<br />
: At Amazon I found cover images for two 1959/61 LGL records that were needing them, so we now have all four. I am not adding LGL books until resolving the issue above.<br />
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: You note that the LGL is 'edited for "Age 11 up" readers, re-written in contemporary English, and slightly abridged for content.' I'll say that of ''War of the Worlds'' #21 in the publisher/series Notes and urge editors to look for that in other issues. <br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:51, 10 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::I can't verify that the "Age 11 up" note applies to all of the Looking Glass Library. I did verify my comments about abridgement and simplified, updated language by comparing the contents of this edition to the 'original' version in http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37319. Thanks for editing to add links to Looking Glass Library. Excellent research! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:27, 14 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== "Space Service" by Andre Norton ==<br />
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Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31447 verified publication] of the first edition of Space Service listed the story "The Specter General" as being by "Theodore Cogswell". It is listed in both the TOC and at the story title page as by "Theodore R. Cogswell", so I have corrected that entry. The story by Gordon Dickson was listed as being titled "The Steel Brother". It is listed in both the TOC and at the story as just "Steel Brother", so I have corrected that entry. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:17, 14 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Really appreciate the fixes, and the attention to detail. Good reminder for me to check everything in stubs I complete. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:15, 19 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Velocity ==<br />
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If you don't mind, I will add content to your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423435 Velocity] by Stephan Martiniere. I intend just to add the book cover art. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 00:41, 25 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for the edits, and the heads-up. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Best SF: 1972 ==<br />
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The change in your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4206 Best SF: 1972] was an HTML tag closing - you had your link closing with <nowiki><a> instead of </a></nowiki>. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:11, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== "Confessions of a Tyrant('s) Double" ==<br />
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Hi, in your verified publication ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363738 The New and Perfect Man (Postscripts #24/25)]'', you have "Confessions of a Tyrant Double" on page 187 -- is that actually how the title appears? elsewhere it is "Tyrant's". --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 03:45, 21 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to Maupassant pubs ==<br />
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I am once again working on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Vasha77/Translations_of_The_Horla sorting out translations of "The Horla"], so if you are notified of changes to any publications that involve Guy de Maupassant, that is what it is in regard to. I believe I haven't made any alterations that go beyond the information you provided the last time I queried you about these publications, but if you notice I've made a mistake, please do let me know. The only major thing I did was to separate out the translations revised by Dora Knowlton Ranous from the general uncredited translations. Otherwise, I just changed notes and dates. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 08:38, 24 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A batch of nongenre stories - if you disagree please comment ==<br />
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Currently there are numerous non-genre horror stories that are in the database because it's natural to just enter a book of horror or "tales of terror" without figuring out which stories are supernatural. I don't intend to systematically hunt for them, but when I spot one, I like to mark it nongenre. (In the case of classic stories, marking is better than removing it from the database because it'll just get re-added with some new anthology.) At the moment, I've spotted the following stories that I think need such a change, and I'm consulting people who have them in their verified pubs.<br />
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Firstly, there's ''Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural'' (verified copies: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517709 (1)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289442 (2)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?415777 (3)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?435921 (4)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366609 (5)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?446362 (6)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?577863 (7)]), which contains "A Terribly Strange Bed," "The Three Strangers," "The Most Dangerous Game," "Leiningen Versus the Ants," "A Rose for Emily," "Taboo," and undoubtedly other non-supernatural ones that I'm not noticing at the moment. Here are verified publications for those and some other stories:<br />
* "Taboo" by Geoffrey Household - An eastern European community is terrorized by a series of murders. The mystery is solved, but the terror, and other psychological effects, linger on. Non-supernatural - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249393 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359537 The Dark of the Soul]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451254 The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253539 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375537 Griezelverhalen 2]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516539 Van Lichtelijk Luguber tot Meedogenloos Macaber]<br />
* "A Rose for Emily" by William Faulkner - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rose_for_Emily#Plot_summary SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?333722 Classic Tales of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37873 The Dark Descent]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205381 The Dark Descent]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191317 The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293237 The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413748 The Lucifer Society]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196813 The Medusa in the Shield]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359245 The Giant Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?591258 The Oxford Book of Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43731 American Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2399 American Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472269 The Golden Argosy]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?403273 Vóór Middernacht: De Beste Griezelverhalen]<br />
* "A Terribly Strange Bed" by Wilkie Collins - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Terribly_Strange_Bed SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369520 Tales of Terror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?368071 Tales of Terror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326642 Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326754 Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294185 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233089 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?306036 Nightfrights]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517776 Nightfrights]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386608 Adventure Stories for Girls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369352 Horror by Lamplight]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346979 The Wordsworth Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189037 Mad Monkton and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413840 Masterpieces of Mystery in Four Volumes]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18059 In the Grip of Terror]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514839 Van Edgar Allan Poe tot Roald Dahl]<br />
* "The Three Strangers" by Thomas Hardy - [http://klasikfanda.blogspot.com/2012/07/short-story-three-strangers-by-thomas.html SUMMARY] - http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472269 The Golden Argosy]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?424385 Tellers of Tales]<br />
* "Leiningen Versus the Ants" by Carl Stephenson - A lurid and much exaggerated account of army ants, but not intended to be taken as speculative, I feel sure - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451254 The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383522 The Big Book of Adventure Stories]<br />
* "The Most Dangerous Game" by Richard Connell -[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Dangerous_Game SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558649 Early September]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?416364 Psychos]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?302214 The Ghouls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291549 The Ghouls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?512071 Alfred Hitchcock's Spellbinders in Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394763 Stories and Storytellers]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573152 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23955 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383522 The Big Book of Adventure Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375279 Verhalen die Hitchcock Koos]<br />
* "Lamb to the Slaughter" by Roald Dahl - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_to_the_Slaughter#Plot_summary SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?176041 Someone Like You (Dell)]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322881 Lamb to the Slaughter and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?480807 Tales of the Unexpected]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?471509 Someone Like You (Livre de Poche)]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?537122 Rakkaani, kyyhkyläiseni / Joku kaltaisesi]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?533499 Lammkeule und andere Geschichten]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371205 M'n Liefje, M'n Duifje]<br />
* "Contents of the Dead Man's Pockets" by Jack Finney - [http://www.elacommoncorelessonplans.com/contents-of-the-dead-mans-pocket-lesson-plans-summary-analysis.html SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180273 The Third Level]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258702 The Clock of Time]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258701 The Clock of Time]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301201 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33359 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439201 The Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301712 The First Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573152 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23955 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375537 Griezelverhalen 2]<br />
* "Two Bottles of Relish" by Lord Dunsany - One of Dunsany's few non-speculative crime stories. [https://cgrishikesh.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/lord-dunsany-two-bottles-of-relish/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?64784 In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588045 In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17298 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17297 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444547 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257830 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 The Unexpected]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9463 Death]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?344994 Masterpieces of Horror]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251144 Owls' Watch]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34443 Tall Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301201 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33359 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [Stories for the Dead of Night http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249393]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253539 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503597 Nacht en Ontij]<br />
* "A Note for the Milkman" by Sidney Carroll - [https://tentoinfinity.com/2013/06/05/a-note-for-the-milkman-by-sidney-carroll/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51648 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193021 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193049 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251425 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180161 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251424 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251426 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263437 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444141 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503597 Nacht en Ontij]<br />
* "The Cone" by H. G. Wells - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cone SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304364 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?574053 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439345 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495929 A Harvest of Horrors]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288845 The Time Machine: An Invention and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360304 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426598 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426599 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331258 Selected Short Stories of H. G. Wells]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?524428 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285926 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352106 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338206 Complete Short Story Omnibus]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37475 The Cone]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?575308 Works of H. G. Wells]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420004 The Country of the Blind and Other Selected Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404370 Der gestohlene Bazillus und andere Geschichten]<br />
* "The Lodger" by Marie Belloc Lowndes - [https://margotkinberg.wordpress.com/2013/06/10/in-the-spotlight-marie-bellocc-lowndes-the-lodger/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18836 Jack the Knife]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27604 Red Jack]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233089 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294185 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; <br />
* "The Terrapin" by Patricia Highsmith - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terrapin SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301711 The Twelfth Pan Book of Horror Stories]<br />
Are there any of those stories you think ARE genre? [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 15:04, 30 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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ADDENDUM: Discussion moved to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Nongenre_stories:_attempt_at_a_roundup Community Portal]. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 00:47, 31 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Four Thousand, The Eight Hundred ==<br />
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Moved the OCLC number from the notes to the new external identifier in our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588412 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:33, 30 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== LCCNs ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your changes to {{P|603503|Spaceman of Bohemia}}, but I made a small change to the notes. A recent new feature is "External IDs", where things like LCCNs should be listed. You supply the number and type, and the software provides organization and links. So I moved the LCCN out of the notes and into the External IDs. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:55, 3 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Cool! Thanks for tip on this new feature. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:24, 4 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:: Reminder about that feature - you just added an LCCN number in the notes of {{P|250594|Lost Cities and Vanished Civilizations}}. I accepted the change (because there were other notes in the submission) but then edited it to move the LCCN number to the new field. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:56, 8 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The SFWA Grand Masters, Volume One ==<br />
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Added cover artist and a couple of notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46928 The SFWA Grand Masters, Volume One].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 22:35, 3 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Karel Čapek's R.U.R. ==<br />
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I'm in the process of correcting Karel Čapek's last name from Capek to Čapek. In nearly all cases we had his name incorrectly listed without the hachek over the C. I've gone ahead and changed the title record for the play ''R. U. R.'' which is included in your verified copy of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48818 The Treasury of Science Fiction Classics]''. Could you check your copy to see if how his name appears in the book. If it is Čapek, then nothing further needs to be done. Otherwise, we need to swap the title in your book for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2218755 this one]. This also assumes that the translation in your copy is by Paul Selver alone. There is a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1314645 different translation] by Selver and Nigel Playfair as by Karel Čapek. If your copy has some other combination of translator, name and title, we may need to add a new title record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:58, 19 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Could you also check his credit for "System" in ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21649 Masterpieces of Science Fiction]''. If it is "Capek", it's probably safe to change it at the title level, since in only appears in reprints of the Moskowitz collection. Also let me know how the credit of his brother appears. I'd like to make the same change to his brother's name after I've finished cleaning up the Karel records. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:03, 20 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::I will do these checks ... but heads-up that my library is boxed-up for a move, and these books probably won't be accessible until mid-September. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:09, 28 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Julie Dillon's Imagined Realms, Book 1 ==<br />
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I added an interior art content item for your verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?564521 Julie Dillon's Imagined Realms, Book 1]''. She received a Chelsey nomination and I wanted to link the award to that title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:38, 8 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Thx! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:01, 8 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Three for Tomorrow ==<br />
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I accepted your addition of the LCCN to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51210 Three for Tomorrow] and then edited to move it to the new field. The changes are: "Moving the LCCN into the new fields; moving the OCLC and using a template to leave it back in the note (needed for the clarification)." Can you please use the new External IDs fields when adding LCCN? Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:41, 10 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Thx for the edit & for the reminder to use the new fields. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:02, 10 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== HTML tags ==<br />
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I noticed in a few of your recent submissions, that when you need to add a <nowiki><ul></nowiki> tag to start a list (at the beginning of the notes field), you add a <nowiki><ul/></nowiki> instead. Some tags, such as br for example, can get a / at the end and still be valid, but "ul" is not one of them - its closing element is always at the end after all the "li" tags. I just fixed in in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?159181 here] this evening after approving your update. I am not sure if you are using a weird template or if it is a technical mistake but wanted to bring that to your attention. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:42, 11 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Just habit, from early days of writing HTML when it was required by some parsers. I'll try to break the habit. :) Thx for correction. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:33, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:: I remember those days and the "if IE, else" kind of web development and each new browser was making up their own standards :) If the approving moderator does not see it (there is no indication unless if you examine the html manually from a different screen), it pops on a report - this is where I saw some earlier. So they will get fixed sooner or later - but the way the server is built, any html irregularities can have interesting side effects on the view of that specific book. Thanks for trying to break the habit! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:44, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::: One issue solved, another developed: there was the opposite problem in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?615446 here]. The one at the start should be ul, the one at the end /ul :) This time you had "ul" in both places - edited and fixed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::Just a typo this time. Doh! :) Thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:54, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It is kinda funny in the context of the conversation above though. I hate typos. And I do a lot of them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:07, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Entering contents of "best-of" anthologies ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission and made the necessary merges afterwards. In order to save you what I suppose is a lot of typing, you may perhaps use the "Import Content" function at publication level. By using the bottom part of the screen, you'll be able to enter only the list of titles IDs (e.g. "2029359" for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2029359 this story]). Of course, when "new" variants may be in order, you'll still have to enter them manually. Another very interesting effect is that the titles would be automatically merged saving a lot of submissions and/or approvals. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:43, 17 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:VERY useful tip! Didn't know about that editing tool. You're right: would have saved a lot of typing. :) Thx! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:58, 17 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Alternative Truths ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?615942 Alternative Truths]''. My question is about the change of the name of the two essays. Of course, the ultimate edit is fine. However, I can't think of a reason that the ebook edition should have those titles with "(Alternate Truths)". It's probably an easier edit to update the two title records for the essays individually which could be done in two edits. Otherwise, you'll have to delete the "Alternate" records from both the tp pub and the ebook and import the new titles to the ebook. Or you could delete them from the tp and then merge each of the titles individually keeping the correct title. Either results in more edits than editing the two essay records. The only other issue is that you also have some note updates. I can approve your original edit, if you don't want to re-enter those, or at a minimum we can leave the edit held to make it easier to re-enter the note edit. Let me know how you'd like to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:48, 16 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, Ron. Although there's no reason to assume the ebook's essays are actually mis-titled "Alternate" instead of "Alternative", I don't have the ebook so can't verify. However, if you prefer, I can edit the essay title records rather than the print book listing. I just saved a copy of my notes edit for the book, so can also re-submit those separately if you wish. Your call. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:03, 17 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::Actually, Amazon's [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0718YNJ97?ie=UTF8&tag=isfdb-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325 look inside] will get you the title "pages" for those two essays. Since the parenthetical portion of the title is for disambiguation and doesn't appear in the book, we would have been safe to assume that the correction would apply to both editions even if we couldn't see those pages. Please go ahead and edit the two essay records directly and resubmit your notes. I'll go ahead and cancel the original edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:07, 17 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Men and Machines ==<br />
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You uploaded a cover image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21894 Men and Machines] back in 2011. The cover of my copy is exactly the same, except for the publisher on the bottom of the spine. Yours has "Hawthorn", mine has "Meredith Press". Is it possible that your cover comes from another edition, not in the database? I will be replacing the cover image in a week or so, Thanks for checking, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:24, 18 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, agree you should replace image of my 'Hawthorn' jacket with your 'Meredith' jacket. I've moved recently, and it will be weeks before I can un-box and re-shelf my library. Once I'm able, I'll check my 2 copies of this book and enter a variant record for the Hawthorn version. Thanks for catching this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::Image is replaced. Thanks for the fast response. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:54, 19 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Instrumentality of Mankind ==<br />
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I added the publication date to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185497 pub] and a note explaining the source of the information. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:17, 28 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fiction Writer's Market Place and Sourcebook ==<br />
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re {{P|29190|Science Fiction Writer's Market Place and Sourcebook}}: I accepted your edit, but then restored "Market Place" as two words and also rejected your title edit. Per your pub notes, it's "Market Place" on the title page and we credit per the title page. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:53, 12 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== ''Rogues'' ==<br />
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In your verified publication ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442428 Rogues]'' there's a story titled "Ill-Seen in Tyre" which I've marked non-genre based on the description of it on its author's website. Please correct me if I'm wrong about that. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:38, 15 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Nebula Awards 29 ==<br />
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Updated the notes and publication date for the HC edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23494 Nebula Awards 29]. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 13:26, 16 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Antoni Garcés ==<br />
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In your publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391124 The Ray Bradbury Chronicles, Volume 4] you have an interior art credit to "Garces." Could you check if that is actually "Garcés," and make a note of the spelling? Thanks! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 19:58, 31 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:No accent on the "e" and no first name, it's just "Garces" 3 places: jacket front, jacket back, and interior title page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:01, 1 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Cover Uploads ==<br />
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Hello, please remember that when, you re-upload a cover (like you did for the Bradbury titles), the older version stays archived on our server and uses some precious disk space. The older version must be deleted manually, and IIRC by a moderator a I'm not sure that contributors are allowed to delete them. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:21, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:OK ... is there something I can do myself to delete the old version ... or is there something I can do to help a moderator do this? Reason I'm replacing images is that many of my early postings were done with an old photo editor which did a bad job of compression, so the images are too large, grainy, and contain visual artifacts that aren't actually in the jacket/cover art. Let me know if that's not worth fixing, and I'll stop doing it. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:45, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::I noticed the poor quality of the replaced images, that's why I didn't delete the new ones (tehre are contributors that, because they do not refresh their browser, upload Nth times the same image). I don't know if you can delete them yourself (see if there is some kind of "Delete" link at the bottom of the image wiki page in the "File history" box). Some contributors use [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#delete_an_image The Help Desk] but there are rare. As there are very few moderators that take the time to scan the upload logs, that's why I messaged you. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 01:55, 3 February 2018 (EST)<br />
:::Nope, no "delete", just a "revert" option, e.g. http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:WYFRMHN1947.jpg#filehistory. You say "the older version stays archived on our server". That may have made sense at some point in the past, but if the wiki's disk space is getting scarce and/or expensive, then seems sensible to change that behavior, and to delete archived images. Let me know if anything else I can do or try. In meantime, I'll stop replacing old images until/unless we sort this out. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:56, 3 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Tangled Lands ==<br />
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I'm wondering, do you think [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646553 The Tangled Lands] should be a COLLECTION rather than an ANTHOLOGY? Probably it should be a NOVEL. The Help says, "A publication containing two or more works of SHORTFICTION or POEMs by a single author or authors writing in collaboration should be typed as a COLLECTION. The typing of individual publications which contain works with various combinations of author credit should be discussed on the Community Portal on a case-by-case basis. The title page credit should be the major factor in determining the types of these kinds of publications." However, the blurb describes it as "a fantasy novel told in four parts" and even though the authors took turns writing the parts there is a strong element of collaboration. I think this should be discussed on the Community Portal but I wanted to give you a heads-up because you verified it. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 23:13, 9 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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:No prob moving this discussion to the Community Portal, if there's no established standard for this type of work. You can initiate that post today if you wish ... or I'll initiate it tomorrow if you'd prefer. Here are relevant data points:<br />
::- Awards: should consider how Locus, Nebula, Hugo will treat 'The Tangled Lands'. I anticipate they'll treat it as an anthology, and will consider the two new novellas as separate works. I'll drop an email to Tom Whitmore to see if he has any insight into this. Know anyone else we might ping?<br />
::- Novel: here are 2 examples of collaborative novels: The Mongoliad (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?31922) & Indigo (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2245643). Neither is organized as single-author stories.<br />
::- Anthology: in addition to the audio book I noted, there's also Medea (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?29606).<br />
::- Collection: I don't know of any example of a multi-author work categorized as a "collection". Do you?<br />
:[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:55, 10 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::: Several round-robin multi-author novels are entered as NOVEL, e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2010167 Bookburners] and the Wild Cards novels (e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2275113 Mississippi Roll]). As for multi-author collections, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646132 Darkness Whispers]. Also see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2220963 In This Point of Stillness], a less clear case, described by one of the authors (Mercedes Yardley) as "a limited edition He Said/She Said microfiction collaboration with Dustin LaValley... Each story is quite short (as microfiction is) and they tend to twine together a bit." In other words, the He Said/She Said part of the description suggests that they wrote stories in turn; but it is entered as COLLECTION because of the "collaboration" part of the description and the "twining together" of the stories. <br />
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::: In any case, I would appreciate if you create a Community Portal post tomorrow. Thanks. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 12:49, 10 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::I sent email to locus@locusmag.org asking how they'll classify the book for next year's Locus Awards, and I posted a message to Tobias Buckell's site asking for the authors' preference. Unless you object, I'll hold off on the Community post for a while to see if/how either of them respond. FWIW, Tom Whitmore pointed out that the publisher, Saga Press, refers to the book as a "novel", but noted that's also how publishers referred to Asimov's "Foundation" books, which ISFDB classifies as "collections". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:43, 10 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::: Yes, thanks for doing that. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 15:02, 10 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::::Vasha, please change 'The Tangled Lands' to a collection. I'll do a post to Community Portal to share the responses I got from Locus & Tobias Buckell, which both recommended this classification for the book. And, it needs to be said: you were right. :) Thanks for pushing back. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:53, 21 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::Done. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 18:27, 21 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy: 2016 Edition ==<br />
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Hello, I've corrected a few things in our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?564538 here] (<i>AIR</i> for Ryman, <i>Hemorrhage</i> for Lee, comma for Brenchley) and made appropriate variants. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:18, 15 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for the cleanup edits! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:41, 15 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== World of Wonder ==<br />
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I am currently sorting out different Kafka translations from each other. Could you look inside your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585886 World of Wonder] and see if it says who translated "Metamorphosis"? Thanks a lot. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:48, 19 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Copyright for this story on the "Acknowledgments" page is "copyright by Vanguard Press, 1946", so it's A.L. Lloyd's translation from http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500664. Want me to add this info to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34962 and/or my verified http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585886? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:18, 19 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: Yes, please add the translator info to both eds of World of wonder, and unmerged those novella records t from "translator unknown" and merge them with the 1946 Lloyd record instead. Thanks. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 16:13, 19 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::Un-merged, and just submitted merge with Lloyd translation. Let me know if need to do any other changes. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:56, 20 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Tangled Lands ==<br />
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Added OCLC to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646553 our verified] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:12, 21 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Pretty Monsters ==<br />
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Your verified publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260060 Pretty Monsters] had the title "Pretty Monsters: Stories" but I removed the subtitle because it's usual to not include low-information subtitles like "Stories" or "A Novel" in the database. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:02, 23 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I've seen it both ways, so was unclear on our standard. Good to know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:55, 29 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Resolution ==<br />
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We actually have a type for graphic stories - you enter is as short story and then once approved, there is a checkbox for that (the same way we have for novelization, juvenile and non-genre). I fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2382615 this one]. Should I remove the interior art you added? or keep it there to keep the art credit on the author? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:15, 12 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Good to know. If convenient, please remove the interiorart item. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:18, 12 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: It had been kicked out from the publication and then deleted (as it now did not belong anywhere) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:22, 12 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
::: About your question [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3865458 here] - yep, that is exactly the way to do that :) Thanks for making the variant! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:06, 12 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Orbit 20 ==<br />
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Hi, I plan to add this note to your verified publication Orbit 20 <br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25115<br />
"The copyright registration shows a publication date of March 8, 1978" [[User:PatConolly|PatConolly]] 19:21, 25 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Kepler's Somnium ==<br />
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Hi. I get you to double check the title of "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?69129 Somnium (excerpt)]" on page 65 of Derleth's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4426 Beyond Time and Space]'' E.F. Bleiler, the translator, lists it in his ''Science-Fiction: The Early Years'' as having the title "Somnium; or The Astronomy of the Moon: An Allegory of Science". He also doesn't mention that it is an excerpt. We have the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2391142 story] listed separately from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2391143 notes]. The story is quite short, so I suspect the translation may be complete. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:03, 29 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Clute/Nicholls describes the translation as cut, so it does look like it is an excerpt. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:01, 30 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
::I keep finding more information. I hadn't read far enough in the review in ''Science-Fiction: The Early Years''. Bleiler does state that his translation is "limited to the basic document, with such of Kepler's notes as might interest a layman or explain points in the narrative." I think it might be appropriate to make it a variant of the story. Are the notes presented separately? If so, we could add another title for the abridged notes. If not, we could probably cover this with a note on the title record for this translation. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:46, 30 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::On the title page, the story title in large, bold type is "Somnium: or The Astronomy of the Moon". Below that are two lines in smaller italicized type: "An Allegory of Science, by Johannes Kepler" and "Translated by Everett F. Bleiler". Kepler's notes are embedded in the story as footnotes, so I would recommend they not be listed separately. I believe the story is complete, since it is presented as a dream and ends with the dreamer awakening. For the story title, I'd recommend using just the part in large bold type. The other two lines appear to be informational … and note that I included that information in the title record by quoting Derleth's introduction to the story. I'll go ahead and make the title edit as I've suggested. If you think it should also include the other two informational lines, please make that change. (BTW, apologies for delayed response. Been offline traveling for couple of weeks.) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:10, 2 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Planned Project Scope Expansion ==<br />
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(I am leaving this note on the Talk pages of some of the more active editors to make sure that we are not missing anything. If you have been following [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this Rules and Standards discussion] and agree with the proposal, please ignore this note.)<br />
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As per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this discussion], [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] is about to be expanded to include:<br />
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* Speculative ''fiction'' webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues<br />
* Special speculative ''fiction'' issues of non-genre webzines<br />
* One time speculative ''fiction'' anthologies published on the Web<br />
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If you believe that this scope expansion may cause unforeseen and/or undesirable consequences, please share your thoughts on the Rules and Standards page. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:22, 4 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Leese Webster ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you check the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308334 your verified]. The original notes were attributing some of the data to OCLC (not specifying which part of the data); your current note attributes the month to it. However [http://www.worldcat.org/title/leese-webster/oclc/4775137 this record] does not say anything about a month. So - would you like to add the OCLC number and do the secondary verification and change the note not to point to OCLC for the month? Alternatively, just edit the notes to remove any reference to OCLC. Or is there another OCLC number that has the month? If so, can we add it? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:55, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:There's no pub month in the book itself. The sept reference was already in the ISFDB record, along with the pub notes referencing Locus #226 & OCLC … so I left all of that in assuming it was already verified info. Amazon says pub month was October. Want to make that authoritative? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:28, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: I am not arguing the month - just the note. The original message was crediting all the info about the book to OCLC and Locus. When you edited it after adding the details from your own book, it now implies that Locus and OCLC have the month as this is all you credit to the secondary sources. OCLC does not contain a month of publication. Hope this makes my message clearer. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:38, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::Got it. Submitted edit to fix. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:16, 7 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Rogues ==<br />
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Added cover artist to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442428 Rogues].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 19:12, 3 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Seetee Shock ==<br />
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{{P|305011|This publication}} is listed as by Jack Williamson, but the cover says Will Stewart. A review for this version says it was published under the Stewart pen name. There is no publication note stating the title page is different than the cover. Would you please double check the credit? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:15, 15 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Good catch. Thanks! I missed that when editing the stub. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:42, 16 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Future Perfect ==<br />
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{{P|14893|Future Perfect}} has two cover records, but no statement explaining that. Is this intentional (separate front and back covers) or an error? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:59, 14 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Not intentional, just an error. Just submitted edit to delete the redundant cover credit. Thanks for the catch! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:14, 17 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
::To get rid of the extra, need to use "Remove Titles From This Pub" vs. editing the pub. I have taken care of it. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:31, 17 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks for the tip, and for editing! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:27, 18 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Stories for Chip ==<br />
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I just noticed that in the Amazon preview of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517781 Stories for Chip] which you verified, the table of contents shows the title on page 65 as "Fantasy Coffin" but at the head of the actual story, it is "Fantasy Coffins." The former is what's in the database. Could you check what's in the book and change it if necessary? Thanks --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha (cazadora de tildes)]] 20:50, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:Wow, great catch (a single-character typo! :) Submitted edits to correct. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:35, 28 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Up the Walls of the World ==<br />
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You wrote: «I've submitted edit to Pub Notes. In particular, I'm noting that there is no statement of edition or printing on the copyright page, and no printing gutter code in the book, which I've verified in 2 copies.»<br />
: You're right about the copyright page, and yes, there is no gutter code. Printing information is given on the front flap of the dustjacket: '7802'. I could not see your submission b.t.w. Many thanks for your compliments about my Farmer Bibliography. [[User:Zlan52|Zlan52]] 19:30, 16 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Election Day 2084: Science Fiction Stories About the Future of Politics ==<br />
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Would you mind taking a look at [[User_talk:SFJuggler#Election_Day_2084:_Science_Fiction_Stories_About_the_Future_of_Politics|this discussion]]? While it's about the hc, it would be good to check the {{P|259665|tp version}} as well. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:18, 31 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Invaders of Earth ==<br />
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Added note to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18482 Invaders of Earth].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 14:23, 1 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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== "Characters in the Margins of a Lost Notebook," in Stories for Chip is not an essay. ==<br />
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I tried to make an edit to change "Characters in the Margins of a Lost Notebook" from ESSAY to SHORTSTORY, but because you're a primary verifier, I think it needs your approval. Can you have a look at it? Thanks! http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4192010<br />
--[[User:Greg Hullender|Greg Hullender]] 11:31, 11 February 2019 (EST)<br />
:::Great catch, Greg. Thanks! Right way to fix is to change the title record, which corrects all appearances (in this case, both the hc & tp versions of 'Stories for Chip'.) I went ahead and submitted that edit, so you can just cancel your edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:57, 11 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== ISBN ==<br />
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Hi, I replaced the ISBN's for both [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2511196 Sunspot Jungle, Volume One] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2511966 Sunspot Jungle, Volume Two] with their actual ISBN. These ISBNs will connect you to the right titles on both Amazon and WorldCat. The original sISBN as supplied by you -which no doubt is also to be found in/on the books- connects you to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?523557 The End of the World Is Rye], both on Amazon and on WOrldCat.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 06:05, 20 February 2019 (EST)<br />
:THANKS! Great fix. I've edited the Title Notes and Pub Notes for the 2 books. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:31, 20 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Books of Earthsea ==<br />
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In your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?678150 The Books of Earthsea], there is a note stating there is an error in some page numbers. There really is not; it is simply that the color plates used as frontispieces for each of the six "books" have no page numbers. The first page of the books, with the title and a B&W illustration each, are the page numbers given in the toc. The last Roman numbered page is xii. I'll depend on Ofeara to fix the page numbers and note. I'm going to add a scan of the cover, a note saying there are 6 color plates on unnumbered pages acting as frontispieces for each volume included, and that the front and rear endpapers have the cover illustration on the left hand panel. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:07, 25 February 2019 (EST)<br />
:OK, thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:54, 25 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Fearn's Liners of Time ==<br />
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Could I get you to double check the publisher of John Russell Fearn's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?314763 Liners of Time]''. We have it listed as "Kingswood", but I'm pretty sure that it should be [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?22005 World's Work] which happens to be located in Kingswood, Surrey. It's listed as World's Work in several of the secondary sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:57, 5 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch! Missed that when I originally edited the stub. Corrected. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:05, 13 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Our World in Space ==<br />
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For the essays in {{P|723198|Our World in Space}}, do they actually have "(Our World in Space)" as part of the title? We only add the book title to generic essay titles (Foreword, Introduction). If an essay has a non-generic title, only the title is entered. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:11, 14 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:No, I added the book title to the essay titles, thinking they were generic. If that's improper, leave off the parenthetical book title. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:25, 14 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:See that you already added the record. I'll edit the essay titles. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:26, 14 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. Changes accepted. Is the "Mars" essay in this book the same as the one in your verified {{P|46566|The Science Fictional Solar System}}? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:59, 14 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::Good catch! No, it's not the same. I submitted title notes for both essays. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:10, 15 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Postscripts ==<br />
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I'm not sure what the problem is, perhaps because I don't know what edits you are trying to make. I added some notes and had no problem. I'm guessing that the problem is related to the specific edit(s); what are you trying to do? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 11:10, 16 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Uh … doh! I added an essay, but didn't notice the type was 'editor' instead of 'essay'. Fixed & submitted. Sorry to bother you. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:16, 16 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::Done the same thing myself, glad you worked it out. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 22:05, 16 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Luna: New Moon ==<br />
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Added interior art credit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?529389 Luna: New Moon][[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:31, 21 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Pulphouse: The Hardback Magazine, Issue 4: Summer 1989 ==<br />
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For the cover artist credit on {{P|60095|Pulphouse: The Hardback Magazine, Issue 4: Summer 1989}}, the artist's 'middle' name is usually given as "Duram". See {{A|Jacqualynn Duram-Nilsson}}. I would like to double check your credit before I make a new alternative name. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:41, 12 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Well, I double-checked, and, yes, it has the "h" ("Durham") on the copyright page, with no hyphen between "Durham" and "Nilsson". So yet another alternate spelling. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:30, 12 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Alternate name created. Thanks for checking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:22, 13 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
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==Nebula Award Stories Nine==<br />
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You primary verified this title:http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23471 I have submitted a change to the "cover" designation for Al Nagy as "jacket design" as per statement on the back flap of the dust cover, and deleted him as doing the "cover art" (which was attributed to Abebooks). [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 2:41, 3 September 2019 (CST)<br />
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== Three Stories ==<br />
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Added a note to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51231 Three Stories].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:45, 6 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Strange Horizons: The Spectrum of Science Fiction ==<br />
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I'll be entering the contents for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?153461 Strange Horizons]. Also a note, most of the essays were published earlier in a briefer version (from page iv). No indication how much briefer these versions were, so I'll variant them to the originals. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:00, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Best Short Novels 2004 ==<br />
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You are a primary verifier of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262895 I have submitted a detail to the pub note (on OCLC's error in the table of contents) & linked Goodreads in external IDs. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 12:21, 9 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Sorry, beat you to it ==<br />
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You got the full service moderator today - who merges and deletes things when they obviously need to be done. :) So the Title remove was already done by the time yours made it to the queue :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:08, 30 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes formatting ==<br />
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When you are just updating a record and you do not plan to verify (or even if you do but there are other verifiers and you are just reformatting and not adding substantial information), please do not change the style of the notes (from non-html to html and vice versa). Not everyone is proficient enough with html to be comfortable with ul/li and we do not enforce one style over the other. Thanks in advance for respecting the other editors' styles. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:02, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:OK, thanks for tip. FWIW, in this case, none of the prior editors are currently active.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:22, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Yeah I know but people leave and then come back sometimes :) Think of it as a courtesy thing - if you are adding a lot of data, you are the one writing the note so you do whatever formatting you want. If you are doing housekeeping, you leave things as you found them and just add/fix. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:33, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::OK[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:37, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Nisi Shawl's ''Talk Like a Man'' ==<br />
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Hi, I'd think the title, and also the notes, would better be adapted to meet the other publications / titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?489 this series]. What do you think, and: shall I do it? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:27, 21 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:Done. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:49, 22 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks! I'll add some more informations to the notes, if you don't mind. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:37, 22 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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::: Done. And the cover image was uploaded too. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:58, 22 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Have Space Suit Will Travel Graphic Novel ==<br />
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I rejected your variant of "Have Space Suit Will Travel Graphic Novel" to "Have Space Suit - Will Travel". A graphic novel version is significantly different than a text version so it would not be considered the same work for ISFDB purposes. Variants are for the same work under a different title / author name. We merge / variant minor differences, but major differences are kept separate works. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:57, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:OK, thanks. Good to know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:06, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Slow Regard of Silent Things ==<br />
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I rejected your deletion of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?520611 The Slow Regard of Silent Things]. I'm pretty sure the edition exists; I've seen a variety of other examples where the publisher produced a limited number of signed copies of trade hardcovers like this. I did change the ISBN to that of the trade edition, and the publication date as well. I looked the book up on bookfinder.com and think I found examples for sale there. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 14:31, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:I'm unclear on ISFDB standard for publisher-signed trade first editions that are finite, but not "limited" (no copy number/letter, no limitation page, no difference in the ISBN or copyright page.) Such copies are indistinguishable from a trade first edition which was event-signed. A "signed copy" sticker on the jacket is not a useful differentiator, because bookstores also do that for their event-signed books (and, anyway, those stickers are usually removed.) I checked, and didn't see any discussion of this in the wiki. If the standard is a separate listing for publisher-signed copies, does it matter if the signature was in-person for the publisher, or autopen? (I've got examples of both.) Anyway, if there's a standard, I'll snap to it of course. If there's no standard, I'd recommend addressing publisher-signed copies via a Pub Note rather than a separate listing. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:08, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::Mark, I don't think there is an ISFDB standard. I asked in the Community Portal, and got two responses from two excellent moderators that were opposites. I suggest that you can use a pub note if you wish, but if someone else has entered the pub as a separate publication, just leave it. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:25, 27 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Author update of Introduction (Time and the Riddle) ==<br />
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Hi Mark, you submitted an author update from ''Howard Fast'' to ''Frank Campenni, Ph.D.''. We do not add titles to names, so I've approved and removed the Ph.D part. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:04, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:Argh! Scrap that. Turns our we do... sorry... [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:08, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{p|250560|((Frequencies))}} ==<br />
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Is it really $17.76, or could it be a typo? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:27, 22 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:Not a typo. That really is the price on the book. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:09, 23 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Collector's Book of Science Fiction ==<br />
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: <s>''to be continued (now falling asleep at the wheel) -Pwendt''</s><br />
Happy February's Eve. You are one of two ISFDB verifiers for ''The Collector's Book of Science Fiction [by H. G. Wells]'' (P{{p|37319}} as April 1978). In contemporary newspapers I find several listings in 1978/79 newspaper advertisements of book sales. US prices $4.99 to $6.99, including one $5.99 as early as August 1978. <br />
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Unfortunately only one December 1979 advert reports a list price (as "$", where I infer Canadian currency):<br />
: Published at C$12.50 [and] Sale price C$7.98<br />
No publisher, so a Canada edition is possible, although not to be expected. The same advertisement also lists ''Science Fiction by the Rivals of H. G. Wells'' (P{{p|29097}} as April 1979) at the same prices C$12.50 and C$7.98. "The Book Barn ... Science Fiction, Astrology and Occult Week", ''The Globe and Mail'' (Toronto), 1979-12-01 p. G19.<br />
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The latter Castle Books anthology I don't find in newspapers by automated search ("Science Fiction by the Rivals").<br><br />
WorldCat reports your collection only as published by Castle Books ([https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3Awells%3B+ti%3AThe+collector%27s+book+of+science+fiction&qt=results_page au:wells; ti:The collector's book of science fiction"]).<br />
: ''to be continued (now falling asleep at the wheel)'' --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:35, 31 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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2020-02-01: Newspaper search from 1980 to 1989 yields no more information about either of the Castle Books publications (except that some of the same bookstores considered it worthwhile to advertise them as titles on sale during 1980). What do you think of this item extending your bullet-list of publication notes:<br />
: C$12.50 list price for this title in Canada (currency and publisher not stated) is noted in one Toronto bookstore advertisement: "The Book Barn ... Science Fiction, Astrology and Occult Week", ''The Globe and Mail'' (Toronto), 1979-12-01 pG19.<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:36, 1 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Science Fiction by the Rivals of H. G. Wells ==<br />
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Hi, again. Since yesterday you are a new primary verifier for ''Science Fiction by the Rivals of H. G. Wells'' (P{{p|29097}} as April 1979). What do you think of this item extending your bullet-list of publication notes: <br />
: C$12.50 list price for this title in Canada (currency and publisher not stated) is noted in one Toronto bookstore advertisement: "The Book Barn ... Science Fiction, Astrology and Occult Week", ''The Globe and Mail'' (Toronto), 1979-12-01 pG19.<br />
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Here you are the only one active among three primary verifiers. The others have not replied on their talk pages since 2014 and 2016. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:48, 1 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for checking, but no problem if you want to add that pub note based on your verification of the 1979 newspaper. Gotta say, I'm amazed that you've got access to such an old paper, and that you found that price reference. Kudos! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:28, 2 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Done. {{done}}<br />
::: For the companion book (immediately above) I await the other primary verifier, who is active.<br />
::: I have a university library subscription to Historical Newspapers at ProQuest.com (ambient inside the main library building). That provides automated text search of contents for many important English-language newspapers and magazines, and images of the hits. I'm sure these searches do miss much original content, but they do hit much. For example that may be more remarkable: Last hour I read some early 1850 notices of ''The Works of the Late Edgar Allan Poe'' published by J. S. Redfield T{{t|1006342}} --including UK price 15s. in one advertisement; unfortunately no US price reported in any of numerous items. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:29, 3 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Royo ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|264622|this book}}, which you are the primary verifier [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 00:58, 10 February 2020 (EST) <br />
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: Susan, I put this submission, making {{A|Luis Royo}} the artist, on hold. You left the pub note saying the artwork is not credited, and you did not give a secondary source for the credit. Where does the credit come from? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:23, 10 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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::Marty, the cover is a version of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1378125 this cover... there's also one without the cape at all... here [https://ofearna.us/art/royo/Women/52-YoungBleys.jpg Royo: Women page 52: "Young Bleys"] [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 20:39, 10 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::Ok, thanks. I accepted the submission and added a reference to the other cover in the pub notes as the source of the artist credit. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:06, 11 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Dangerous Visions - Harlan Ellison ==<br />
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Hello, you are sole PV {{P|225533|here}} and I'd be grateful if you could confirm that each story has an introduction by Ellison and that there's also an afterword by each story's author. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 01:29, 13 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Decades of Science Fiction ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?763295 this one]. Non-fiction pieces outside of NON-FICTION books are always recorded as essays - even if they are a few thousand pages. :) So I changed that while approving. What is the title page showing? Is the Instructor's edition mentioned there (if so, the pub title should change)? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:53, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Hi, Annie. I just uploaded new cover image. No: not the title page nor any other page is different from the 'student' edition. Just the covers and included pages, as described. No prob with your change, of course. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:47, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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:: Ok then :) I was just making sure -- cloning does not allow the change of Pub title so wanted to make sure we do not forget to change it if we have to :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:00, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::: PS: I approved [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4588005 this] as the other PV had been gone for 12 years but even when you are a PV, unless you are the only one, putting a short summary of what you changed in the Notes field is useful for figuring out what information came from where. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:03, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Takeoff ==<br />
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I added the LCCN to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34229 Takeoff]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 16:29, 29 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Reviews in Magill's Survey of Science Fiction Literature ==<br />
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I have added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?768013 this publication] which reprints several book reviews by Jack Williamson, including 4 that first appeared in Frank N. Magill's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?231769 Survey of Science Fiction Literature]''. The reviews in question appear on pages 56 through 72. Please feel free to import them into the correct volume. I'll leave this same note on the other verifier's [[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk page]]. However, they have a note about checking in infrequently, so you may see this first. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:09, 12 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Jules Verne translations ==<br />
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I have been documenting the various translations of Jules Verne's works and trying to identify a piece of text from each translation so editors can position their publications under the correct title record. You are on record as a primary verifier for one or more publications for which I am looking for text or which are placed under a generic translation title. I would be grateful if you could assist in this by checking your copies, as listed below, and providing the initial text for missing translations or an indication of the translation for those unspecified. These are listed on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Jules_Verne_Translations Jules Verne Translations] wiki. Thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:04, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
*Unspecified translation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?698149 Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea] (title) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?407994 Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea] (publication)<br />
:: Excellent. I've started moving the publication's entry to the correct title record. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:05, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
*Unspecified translation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?69127 Doctor Ox's Experiment] (title) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4426 Beyond Time and Space] (publication)<br />
:: Your note says it omits the first paragraph, but sounds more like an introduction. The name of Doctor Ox doesn't come into it until a couple of chapters in. Here are links to the original texts for translations by [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89006931273&view=1up&seq=45 Alger] and [https://books.google.ca/books?id=-QECAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false Towle] (the drop down menu in the upper right will let you jump to the story). Does your copy look anything like either of these? If it doesn't pick up later with something like this, it's likely a new translation entirely. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:05, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
*Unspecified translation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?79820 Master Zacharius] (title) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?763295 Decades of Science Fiction] (publication)<br />
:: Great. I've started moving the publication's entry to the correct title record. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:05, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Edited the pubs, added a note on your talk page.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:02, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Dr. Ox is a lightly edited abridgement of Towle. I submitted pub note update. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:10, 19 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Doctor Ox's Experiment ==<br />
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Regarding your note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4632723 here]: story was moved to where it belongs.<br />
When you need to move a story from one variant to another, it is a two step process. <br />
* Step 1: Open the title page of your story and go to "Unmerge Titles" in the left menu. From the list that it opens, select the publication you want to change and submit. Once this is approved, the story in this book is not connected anywhere.<br />
* Step 2: Merge it with the place it needs to go to(or variant it to the parent if this will be a new variant - in this case, edit as well to add the notes on why it is a new variant). In this case, as the Towle variant existed with the correct title, I simply merged. <br />
Note: This process works for every type of publication except omnibuses - for omnibuses, you should remove the title from the publication and either add or import the correct one instead (these two actions can be submitted in parallel). <br />
Let me know if you have any questions :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:26, 27 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks, Annie! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:58, 28 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other Novelets from Galaxy ==<br />
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Added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55353 The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other Novelets from Galaxy].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:03, 2 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Velocity ==<br />
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Added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423435 this] referring to a copy I obtained recently. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:58, 7 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Harlan Ellison's titles ==<br />
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Hello Mark. Wanted to let you know I've accepted your submissions, but had to fix html for all of them: changed '<a/ href=...' to '<a href=...'. Also, I've fixed a typo in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?56425 this one] where I changed ''PHOENIX WITHOUT AHSES'' into ''PHOENIX WITHOUT ASHES'' -- [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:32, 23 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:THANKS, user:MagicUnk! I apologize for the html typos. Thanks for the fix and the syntax reminder. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:19, 23 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: You're welcome! :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:35, 23 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Binti: The Complete Trilogy ==<br />
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Can you check your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?697576 verified] and see if it has the DAW Collectors number (1813) on the copyright page? I can see it on the ebook so verifying if it is also on the hardcover so we can add it here (or add a note that it is not). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:04, 29 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, it's there. I submitted edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:46, 30 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Long Tomorrow ==<br />
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When you say "graphic stories" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4672604 here], are those heavily illustrated stories or comics (aka if you remove the pictures, does the story hold together?) If they are comics and the story cannot exist without the illustrations (which is my usual experience with Moebius), then this is not eligible at this time (annoys me a lot - I like comics - but we do have the Rules of Acquisition) :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:44, 5 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Annie. Yes, the graphic stories require the artwork, and they are formatted in boxes as in a comic. The stories are clearly genre. The stories are collected in a hardcover book. Moebius is in the Science Fiction Hall of Fame, and has a page in ISFDB. This book is, in all respects, the exact same as the anthologies listed for Stan Lee. Check out his ISFDB page. If the Rules of Acquisition allow the Stan Lee anthologies, they should allow this Moebius collection. IMHO. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:45, 7 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Hello, Annie. Here are some more examples of comic-formatted graphic genre books which are currently allowed in ISFDB: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?22809, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2640629, and http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321468. Reading the Policy and Moderator discussion pages, I believe ISFDB has defaulted to Wikipedia for definition of excluded "comics". IMHO none of these previously allowed books (or the Moebius graphic collection) are "comics" as defined in the Wikipedia article. I see my submission is still Pending, so I'm looking forward to seeing how Moderators resolve this. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:43, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I was mostly away yesterday :)<br />
:: Noone argues that this is not science fiction - it very obviously is. The question is if it meets our definition of "published speculative fiction" and is not excluded specifically. Just because something is allowed before does not make it eligible - we find books that need removing often. <br />
:: The Ray Bradbury books are allowed as "above the treshold" author ones - which trumps pretty much any 'do not include' rule except for non-genre essays in non-genre publication one and similar restrictions. Same for Delany's and Gaiman's. So these are not comparable here - they would not have been allowed if they were not by these authors. Stan Lee's is iffy and do not belong if they are comics and not prose stories with illustrations... I am actually getting one of those anthologies to verify what they are exactly because they got me curious. <br />
:: I am thinking on that - I still find this ineligible UNLESS we add it as non-fiction (aka as an art album) which will be even more absurd as this is not that either. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:22, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: A published hardcover book of SF stories that "very obviously is" science fiction, and is by an SF HoF inductee, is not "published speculative fiction." Yep, I agree: that sounds absurd. Well, I'm here with my box of popcorn, watching the show. Can't wait to see what happens next. ;) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:15, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: A published book of "graphic format" SF stories. That's the part you chose to ignore for some reason. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Exclusions the exclusions]: <br />
::::* Speculative fiction is defined to exclude: ...Comic books, manga, and graphic novels... <br />
:::: That's what makes this book most likely ineligible and that's why I asked if it is illustrated text or sequential art (aka comics). We do not have an exception for SF HOF members unless we want to treat them as above treshold by default (which needs to be discussed with the community) - simply because most of them are obviously above the treshold - there aren't that many comics writers in the list. If you think we need to expand the rules and allow the sequential art forms (comics, graphic novels, mangas and similar), use R&S and find support for it. Moebius is in the DB for his covers, illustrations of other works and essays - not for his comics. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:51, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: PS: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Moebius.2C_SF_HOF_and_comics Moderator Discussion] - if you want to keep an eye on it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:59, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) I rejected the addition. Comics/graphic novels/sequential art are allowed only if they are by above threshold authors (and induction in HOF does not make an author above the threshold if they do not have eligible for inclusion titles) or when they are in part of a genre publication - story in an otherwise non-graphic anthology or in a genre magazine for example. As you can see in the Moderator thread, we are working on revising the help page language so it is clearer what "published" means in terms of ISFDB. Sorry. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:26, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Just as an update - the Stan Lee anthologies above are indeed text stories with 1 black and white illustration each. Which makes them eligible for addition. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:53, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== This Is How You Lose the Time War length ==<br />
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Would you please look at [[User_talk:PeteYoung#This_Is_How_You_Lose_the_Time_War_length|this discussion]]? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:58, 12 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::We don't need to count words. When I originally edited the stub I left it as a novel. Since then, the authors & the awards committees agree the story is a novella, so the book is a chapbook. I just submitted edits to change the book to chapbook and the title to novella. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:53, 13 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Hill's ''Full Throttle'' Barnes & Noble signed edition ==<br />
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finally got around to pulling this book and took photoes [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 01:36, 17 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Art of Richard Powers ==<br />
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Hello. I agree with your deletion, but I have put your submission on hold as I'd like to check in with Ahasuerus if he can move that single PV to the UK edition record. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:51, 21 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Hi Mark. I've finally accepted your delete submission - sorry for the long wait. Totally lost sight of it. Hope you'll forgive me [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:01, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Title Record Formatting ==<br />
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HTML formatting should not be used in titles (publication or content). It breaks search as users would not be able to find the title without typing the HTML. You are welcome to document the formatting in the notes if you wish. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:03, 26 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant Dates ==<br />
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I had to reject a couple of changes to variant dates. Variants are dated to the first appearance of the variant, not of the parent. This allows people to see history of title, credit changes, etc. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:36, 27 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:OK. I was unclear on that policy. Thanks for clarification. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:51, 27 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Lamps on the Brow ==<br />
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Would you please check the title of the story on page 89 of {{P|185009|Lamps on the Brow}}? Is it "Hermes' Horn" as listed or "Hermes' Lady"? There is another who says they have the book and wants to change it. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:35, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Whoops. The title for that story should be "Herne's Lady", not "Hermes' Lady". "Herne" is last name of a character in the story. I missed that when verifying. Let me know if you'd like for me to make that edit. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:50, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I made the change. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:38, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hidden Girl and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hi Mark, in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?753516 verified pub], how about removing the "An excerpt from..." from 'A Chase Beyond the Storms', as it's not strictly part of the title of the story? I've just verified the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?757447 UK edition] and I've added that particular detail to the Notes. What do you think? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 15:51, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:OK, I made the change in the US edition. I assume you'll make the change in the UK edition. FWIW, "an excerpt from ..." is in the Table of Contents and the story's title page, but it's in italics so I'm OK with not treating it as a subtitle. Regards. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:07, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Adventure ==<br />
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Left a message with [[User talk:MLB|MLB]]. If he agrees, I will change. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:32, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Change made. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:20, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Art of George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice & Fire ==<br />
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Regarding your ''The Art of George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice & Fire'' submissions: You are adding a pub series for these books. We differentiate between publisher level series like {{PubSeries|26|Ballantine Adult Fantasy}}) from title series (universe or groupings of books independent of publisher like {{Series|11825|Dune Universe}}). This would seem to be better represented as a title series since they would still be in the same series even if a different publisher would reprint them. Thoughts? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:58, 28 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:As there has been no response, I have gone with a title series instead. I accepted the new pub edit and the additional details to the other pub, but rejected the edit that only added the pub series, removed the pub series from the other two, and added the title series. For {{P|336761|Volume 2}}, the record has a "2", but the cover has "Two". If the title page is different than the cover, it would be good to add a pub note stating they differ. If the title page has "Two", than the record needs to be updated. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:31, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for correcting the series, and pointing out the title issue. Just submitted edit to fix the title ("Two" instead of "2".) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:49, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== ''SpaceShip One: An Illustrated History'' ==<br />
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I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4704029 your submission of ''SpaceShip One: An Illustrated History''] on hold and I am trying to figure out whether the book is eligible for inclusion based on our inclusion policy.<br />
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Your Note to Moderator reads "entering because of Arthur C. Clarke's Foreword". I think the relevant part of the [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition|Rules of Acquisition]] is:<br />
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* Works (both fiction and non-fiction) which are not related to speculative fiction, but were produced by authors who have otherwise published works either of or about speculative fiction over a ''certain threshold'' (see below). This includes any non-genre works published as standalone books as well as non-genre short fiction, but '''excludes non-fiction which was not published as a standalone book''' [emphasis added]. Thus, Poul Anderson's mysteries and his non-fiction book about thermonuclear weapons will be included, but Gregory Benford's professionally published scientific articles will be excluded.<br />
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The wording is a bit convoluted since it tries to cover multiple scenarios. However, the emphasized part appears to suggest that we shouldn't be entering otherwise ineligible publications just because they include non-fiction essays by authors "above the threshold" (like Clarke.) Would you agree? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:40, 28 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I defer to you, of course, since you've got a concern I don't: conservation of cost/space. If that's an issue, then I understand why the wiki policy needs to be ring-fenced so carefully. If there were no cost/space constraints, I'd argue in favor of more inclusive guidelines to support the research and archive goals of the wiki. Case in point: I'd include a non-genre publication in order to document an Arthur C. Clarke essay about space exploration. Bottom line: I'll continue to submit publications I think are appropriate, but I've got no problem with moderators making conservative choices to conserve cost/space. Thanks for asking, though. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:19, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: I don't think it is a space/cost thing as much as not loading the DB with thousands of books which are out of scope. Some of the modern genre writers have penned hundreds of introductions outside of the genre for example... And we are mainly a fiction DB - so we are more restricted on the non-fiction as a rule -- we will get any fiction piece we can claim as published (and which is not a comics/GN) but for non-fiction, we are a bit more careful. We can always reopen the discussion on that - and change the consensus - as we did when we opened the rules to allow webzines for example. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::: That's right, the space/cost associated with an additional non-fiction book -- or even 50,000 additional non-fiction books -- would be marginal. The main problems would be performance and the ease of navigation. Clarke's (or Asimov's) "Summary" pages are already very busy, take a long time to compile/display and are hard to navigate. Adding hundreds of forewords, magazine articles, etc would aggravate the problem. It would also create thousands of new author records for people who are not directly related to written SF, in this case Dan Linehan.<br />
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::: More broadly, it's important to make sure that all submissions adhere to [[ISFDB:Policy]] as closely as possible. Even if a moderator approves a book that is "out of scope" as currently defined, there is nothing stopping another editor from coming across it a month or a year later, saying "Hm, this is clearly out of scope" and deleting the record. A creation-deletion cycle like that would generate a great deal of frustration for everyone involved.<br />
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::: If you would like to see the inclusion policy changed, please start a discussion on the [[Rules and standards discussions]] page. Policies do change over time -- in 2020 alone we have made 8 changes as per [[Rules and standards changelog]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:52, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::::I appreciate your all's perspective. Thanks for replies. I don't want to add to the moderators' workload, so I'm not going to pursue a broader policy. Thanks to all moderators for your service. And apologies in advance if I occasionally submit another out-of-scope pub. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:44, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Teen-Age Science Fiction Stories ==<br />
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Cover and explanation of its provenance added to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391031 verified]. Let me know if you have any concerns with it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:09, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Excellent edit. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:45, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== {{P|286141|Adventure in Space}} ==<br />
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Hi, this publication is showing up on the cleanup reports for a mismatch between the publication author (MacVicar and Moore) and the title author (uncredited).<br />
If the title page does not list both authors and 'only' states the book's title <i>Adventure in Space</i> then you will want to change the publication author to uncredited, too, or the title author, if the two names are indeed stated on the title page. Thanks. John. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 16:32, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:fixed. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:11, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Perfect Robot ==<br />
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Does {{P|28382|Robots Robots Robots}} state the translator for "The Perfect Robot" (page 225) or that this is the same version as from ''Time Out of Mind''? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:04, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:It's the same. Footnote credit is "Reprinted from 'Time Out of Mind and Other Stories' by Pierre Boulle, Copyright 1966". Let me know if you'd like me to add a pub note. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:09, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I added the translator credit to the {{T|79792|The Perfect Robot}} title record and wanted to make sure they were all the same. If not, we'd split them out into separate variants. Your choice on the pub notes. The title translator note is supposed to be sufficient. However, we're not always great at ensuring those are correct for all pubs under the record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:24, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Fool's Gold ==<br />
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The price for Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263975 pv pub] is given as £3.50 in [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?fn=search&vl(freeText0)=9780200726221 British Library]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 16:06, 14 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! Submitted edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:32, 14 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Dead Astronauts ==<br />
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Hi, the record of your primary-verified {{P|741608|Dead Astronauts}} states 336 pages. I've got the same edition and printing, but my copy has 323 pages only, not 336. Can you please check you copy?<br />
Also, I'd change the publisher from "MCD" to "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?59418 MCD / Farrar, Straus and Giroux]" (see copyright page). <br />
Thanks, Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 15:22, 18 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch, Jens. Thanks! Page count was just a typo. Glad you caught it. I submitted edit with your fixes. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:34, 18 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Great, thanks. Approved, and verified it myself now. :) Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 15:36, 18 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Stanisław Lem ==<br />
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Hello Mark. You requested to delete author record {{a|Stanislaw Lem}} and move its interior art records to Stanisław Lem. However, we can't do that as there are publications that use Stanislaw Lem as author name (without the Polish ł). Looking into your request some more, it is somewhat complicated. First of all, it must be established that the author's name in all editions of {{p|47795|The Star Diaries}} is indeed written as Stanisław Lem. If it is, than it is a simple matter of updating the author of each individual contents record to the author's name (with Polish ł). If it is not, then the titles must first be unmerged from the ones with, and without, Polish ł. And then again update the contents titles that have the Polish ł author name (and leave the ones without Polish ł as-is).<br />
Could you confirm what the individual editions have as author name? (Looking at the covers, I'm afraid it's going to be the latter, and first unmerge titles...)<br />
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By the way, probably a good idea to check in with more seasoned moderators, too (think Annie :) Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:00, 20 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry, the names looked identical to me. I didn't notice that small difference between "l" and "ł". Uh ... what if we just leave everything like it is? Seems like it'll be a lot of work to sort this out. That said: if the moderators decide y'all want to do it, I've got a lot of Lem's English-language publications, so I could submit edits as needed for all my books. Your call. Let me know what you want to do. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:22, 20 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: If you could confirm your edition of {{p|47795|The Star Diaries}} has the Polish "ł"? I'll then have a look at it myself. Also, please do not hesitate to add/update records for Lem publications you own. We like our little database to be as accurate as possible :) Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 01:48, 21 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::OK, you can see on image I posted it uses the "Polish i", so I submitted edit changing all non-imported instances of his name. Let me know if I should switch all the imported content to versions with 'Polish i'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:49, 21 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Yes :) Contents author should match the container one (unless the stories have their own title pages where it is credited differently). PS: It is a Polish L, not I. Polish is one weird language (in a sea of weird language in the Western Slavic branch) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:20, 21 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Cincinatti ==<br />
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In {{T|2697368|Cincinatti Lou}} is the misspelling of Cincinnati original to the publication or a database typo? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:28, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch. Thanks! Submitted edits to correct the typo. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:43, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Star Diaries ==<br />
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Your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47795 The Star Diaries] somehow got the author Stanislaw Lem labelled as a variant of Stanislaw Lem, causing the duplication of the author in the data base. I've gone through and eliminated the duplication of the author's name in the pub and the stories in the pub. Can't imagine how that happened. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:43, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Bob, PLEASE make sure you are not undoing all the splitting we did between Stanislaw Lem and Stanisław Lem - that "L" in the first name is different in both forms - l vs ł. The Polish name uses ł. A lot of the modern editions use that in other languages as well. Older ones use a normal l. We NEED both names in the DB. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:50, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: And you can see the thread just a few lines above [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood#Stanis.C5.82aw_Lem here] where we actually talked about that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:53, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) Markwood, can you do me a favor and look through this one again. I fixed all the author names, connected all to their originals, added the translator and copied the pages from the old record but a second set of eyes, especially with the book, on the page numbers will be appreciated. I am also going to chase down the rest of the editions that do not have the Polish L - at least a few need to join yours - but I need to look at title pages to be sure. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:16, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Annie, I'm in awe. I have to use a magnifying glass to see that tiny cross-stroke on the "Polish L". :) I reviewed "The Star Diaries" listing and can confirm you got every one. Checked my Lem books and found four more that have same problem: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?86312, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188337, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37775, and http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22921. All have the Polish L on title page and jacket front. If you want to share the work, let me know which 2 you'll do, and I'll do the other 2. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:53, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Well, I will love to help if you need assistance. I see two novels and 2 collections so why don't you try your hand in one of the novels and see how it goes and let me know if you want me to just swap them. The steps for collections are (let's take [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22921 this one] which has 14 stories):<br />
::::* Unmerge the COLLECTION record to pull this one out from the ones with the English l in the name and variant it back up and add translator - 3 edits <br />
::::* Remove all the stories and added the same stories but with the correct author (keeping track of what is on what page in the process and matching the length field) - as we did not have records for them under the proper name - 1 edit (add stories, fix the pub and title author name), one removeTitles to get the old stories out. <br />
::::* Add translator to all old ones (that do not have it - if we are around anyway) and all new stories (14+14)<br />
::::* Variant the newly created titles to their originals. (14)<br />
:::: So at least 57 edits to get this one book to look as it should if you do not need to redo any. Maybe a few less if some of the old stories already have translators :) <br />
:::: For a novel, it is much easier (as the initial unmerge will give you the pub to edit and you can do everything inside of it (so unmerge to pull the publication out, then once approved, just edit the new publication that carries the new title (change the author name on both places on the Pub Edit screen as now this title is only in this publication) and then add translator to the TITLE record and variant it to the original and you are all done in 4 edits). Let me know if something is unclear and how you want to proceed. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:36, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::I submitted edits for the 2 novels. As for the other ~100 edits to do the 2 collections ... uh ... I'm gonna pass for now. I've got time for a handful of edits per day, so it'd take me weeks at this time to do the collections. When I've got more free time I'll check the collections and do the edits if still needed. Really sorry I can't tackle that right now. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:36, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I will clear them up tonight or later this week. :) And no worries at all -- collections with translations can be... interesting to work on. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:05, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: OK, Step 1 on these 2 novels approved. I am around for when you submit the unmerge on both to approve for you. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:15, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::Annie, appears I'll need for you to do the unmerge. I've never done that and assumed I could figure it out ... but there's no 'unmerge' on editing menus, and there's no 'unmerge' Help topic in the wiki, so ... Help me, Obi Wan Annie, you're my only hope. ;) Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:58, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: It is on the title level, not on the pub level. So let's work with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?86312 this one]. Click on the title record: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?187178 here]. Now look at the left menu and locate "Unmerge Titles". It will open [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/tv_unmerge.cgi?187178 this]. Locate your book (as you changed the author already, just search for "Stanisław" and it will pop up (it is the first one). Once approved, your book will get away from the others. As you already fixed the publication, all that will remain after that will be to edit the new title records (to add the translator - the author will get fixed from the unmerge as it will pick it up from the publication) and then to make it a variant of the Polish record. Would you like to try to do this with the two of them? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:07, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::THANKS! Always good to learn something. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:17, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::: Teach a man to fish... (and then you do not need to wade in the cold water at 4 am in the morning). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:57, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::::: I saw that you fixed that one, I finished [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188337 this one] just now so the two novels are all set :) I will work on the two collections later this week. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:38, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== tr-template ==<br />
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Hello. Just a quick note to use the tr-template <nowiki>{{tr|name}}</nowiki> when adding translators to notes. Using it will make it easier to convert to proper translators field (and narrators and...) once we have support for these. Regards[[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 02:03, 23 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Cool! Didn't know about Templates, had never used them. Thanks for expanding my HTML vocabulary! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:40, 23 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Well, it's actually not html (as far as I understand it), but a construct that is used in the ISFDB for all kinds of templates. Have a look [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Templates here] for what you can use (do note that there are actually two sets of templates; [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Templates one set] to use in the ISFDB itself, the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Linking_templates other set] for use in this wiki). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:58, 23 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Parable of the Sower variant ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4776933 this one]: We do not variant adaptations into their originals. Variants are used in four cases for text titles:<br />
* Same text (with minor revisions) but different forms of the title or author<br />
* Translation<br />
* In case of novels, splitting the novel into volumes<br />
* Serializations (as serials)<br />
When the work is an adaptation (being it in graphic format or for younger readers for example), we connect only via the notes (or via adding them into a series together). If the graphic novel contains the complete text of the story (some of Shakespeare's GNs are like that), the text story should be added as a text story (in this case, it is a real adaptation so this does not apply). Hope that makes sense and let me know if I can assist further. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:02, 28 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for info. Good to know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:10, 28 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Saga Press vs. Saga Press / Gallery ==<br />
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Hello Mark. You've PV'd {{p|753516|The Hidden Girl and Other Stories}} and {{p|717815|Unforeseen}} and {{p|717832|This Is How You Lose the Time War}}. In light of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Issue_with_Saga_Press_-_how_to_resolve.3F this discussion], would you be OK with checking the copyright page, and thus converting the publisher to just Saga Press? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:28, 14 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Done. No prob. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:36, 14 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Kingdoms of the Wall ==<br />
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Hi Markwood,<br />
I have edited the record for Kingdoms of the Wall. Might want to check your copy, make sure the info I have added doesn't conflict. Let me know if there is a problem. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 18:21, 20 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Good edits. No prob. Thx for heads-up. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:42, 20 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Edited by ==<br />
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Are you sure that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2789633 this cover] is by Elana Balbusso and not Elena Balbusso? :) As far as I know, there is no third Balbusso sister called Elana :) Also - when adding the same art, you can import instead of adding a new record - I merged the two that got created when you added the two separate records in both books. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:46, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:I'm 100% certain the first name is spelled "Elana" on the back flap of the dust jacket ... but now that I've checked the extensive illustration listing for "Elena", I'm 99% certain it's a typo. I'll go with that assumption and make the edits. As always, THANKS for the careful review, Annie! And, BTW: ISFDB was included in Ellen Datlow's Acknowledgments! :) I'll add that info to the pub record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:04, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: :) They are a pretty well known pair (or at least they seem to illustrate for publishers I tend to like) so it caught my eye. I did some varianting so that the cover shows where it belongs. Now if I figure where I stashed my own copy of that book... :) Meanwhile we are all set with this record now I think. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:59, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Tony Roberts art is in fact by Chris Foss ==<br />
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A good new year! I just have merged the cover art that was indexed as to be by Roberts with the existing one by Foss, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40336 here]. I do wonder how that credit came into the db: it just reminds one of how important it is to source data within the notes. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:43, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Spaceship vs Space Ship ==<br />
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Hi Markwood -<br />
Could I get you to double check title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?428513 this publication]? The cover scan and the Worldcat both have it as "Space Ship", whereas we list the title as "Spaceship". There's also a earlier printing with an active verifier of whom I'll be asking the same question. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:22, 9 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Good catch, Ron. Yep, it's "Space Ship". Submitted edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:13, 9 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Plague of Demons & Other Stories / Keith Laumer ==<br />
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I see you've PV'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?984] and would like it if you'd check the title page for the use of 'and', rather than '&' in the title. I'm PVing the pb version and it has the spelled out 'and'. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 00:36, 25 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Good catch! It's "and". I've submitted edit. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:46, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21847 Memoirs of a Space Traveler] ==<br />
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Hi, I imported the interior artworks to the publication verified by you. While doing this, a question (well, two) occurred to me: Is there really the full letter line A-E? The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?267 note] on the publisher would suggest that none is to be expected (and if so, we would have a likely doublette in the database, with date 0000-00-00). Second, the OCLC / WorldCat mentions a statement for "A Helen and Kurt Wolff book", which would be considered as a pub. series (as with mine pb copy). Can you have a look into the matter? Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:06, 2 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:Submitted edit. Thanks for catch! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:08, 2 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Thank ''you'' for the look-up! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:10, 3 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== James Blish's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9615 The Quincunx of Time] was identified as a novella ==<br />
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Hi, Mark! It happened [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#James_Blish.27s_The_Quincunx_of_Time_appears_to_be_a_novella here]. I'm going to change the pub.s and titles accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:03, 10 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Down Here in the Dream Quarter ==<br />
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Hi, I submitted an update of this record: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10760 which you PV'd. I don't have a copy of the book, but on the basis of the scanned cover, and the OCLC WorldCat record, classified it as part of the publication series "Doubleday Science Fiction." Can you verify that those words appear on the hardcover spine of your copy of the book? Doubleday did not put the series designation anywhere else in these books. You might want to look at the exchange I had w/ the moderator on this book at the end of my talk page: http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hifrommike65 Thanks. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 06:42, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:Yes, it has "Doubleday Science Fiction" on the spine. I spot checked a dozen or so books with "Doubleday Science Fiction" on the jacket spine, and only one did not also have "Science Fiction" on its spine: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258494. But that book does have the 'rocket ship & book' logo on its spine, so it's clearly in the series. Looks like you've undertaken a massive project to add this to the all the books in this series. Let me know if any other way I can help. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:36, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks gentlemen! I will approve the update then. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:50, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Small Magic: Short Fiction, 1977-2020 ==<br />
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I assume that the comma in this title is from the title page (I can see it on the ebook now)? As the cover has a ":", add a note to the publication explaining the discrepancy (see how I did on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819338 the ebook]). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:44, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:fixed. FWIW, I've not seen the ebook, but find it weird if it's got two colons in its title. If the first colon is being 'assumed', then I'd suggest assuming a comma as on the print title page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:50, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: The first colon is the 'and here comes the subtitle' one. The second is indeed a comma on the ebook title page and I fixed that. The one with the two colons on the list is the audiobook - its title is based on the cover only (because audiobooks have no title pages) and it is an obvious colon there. Thus the variant. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:38, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== After: Nineteen Stories of Apocalypse and Dystopia ==<br />
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Fixed page count and added missing essay in your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?396310 After: Nineteen Stories of Apocalypse and Dystopia].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:50, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:46, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dead Lines ==<br />
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I added language to the jacket design and illustration credit for {{p|62736|Dead Lines}} [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 16:16, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Martian Race ==<br />
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Just added a couple of pub notes to {{p|43915|The Martian Race}} [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:30, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:24, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cosm & Eater ==<br />
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Added pub notes and LCCN. Also merging the Afterword to {{p|8027|Cosm}}. Let me know if you disagree. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 12:55, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Same for {{p|11884|Eater}} [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:15, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Fugitive Telemetry ==<br />
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I converted {{P|828104|Fugitive Telemetry}} to a chapbook based on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4974221 this edit]. In doing so, I noticed you have primary verified the publication, but the pub notes still say "Data from Amazon.com as of 2021-03-15." When a book is primary verified, the data should be coming from the book. If there is data not in the book and comes from a secondary source instead, the pub notes should specify what data comes from the secondary source (ex "Publication date from Amazon.com as of 2021-03-15"). If you get a chance, can you please update the pub notes? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:01, 1 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Done. Thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:53, 1 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hive ==<br />
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just added a couple ext ID's to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?712443 The Hive]. no changes [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:51, 7 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gift of Fire / On the Head of a Pin -- Walter Mosley ==<br />
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I've changed the title to use a '/' rather than 'and' for your PV [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?380840]]. This seems to be best practice (I've checked Amazon look-inside to confirm the setup matches my pb copy). --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:40, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Mailer's A Fire on the Moon ==<br />
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I was a little overzealous in approving an edit to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308500 copy] of this book and I do apologize for that. I hadn't noticed your verification until I went to check about why the title record wasn't updated with the publication record. The original title of the publication record was "Of a Fire on the Moon". The URL that [[User:Username|Username]], [https://picclick.com/A-Fire-on-the-Moon-by-Norman-Mailer-183425761963.html], had in the moderator notes does show a scan of the title page with the shorter title. If the scan agrees with your copy, we still need to unmerge the title record and make the variant relationship. I can let you do this, or if you'd prefer, I'm happy to fix it myself. If it doesn't agree, then let me know that too and I can put the record back as it was. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:17, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Ron. Gotta apologize: I originally verified the UK version by mistake, then correctly verified the US version ... and got distracted and forgot to go back and un-verify the UK version. Just now rectified that. I CAN verify that the US version is "Of a Fire on the Moon" on its title page, if that helps. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:42, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== An Ancient Gulliver ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4982429 this submission]: Excerpts should be dated as of the date that excerpt appeared, not the date of the work from which it was taken. I restored the 1967 date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:53, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:OK. Good to know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:04, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fiction Adventure(s) from Way Out ==<br />
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Hi<br />
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You're the only active verifier for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29083 Science Fiction Adventure from Way Out]''. While searching for the Worldcat record I noticed that Worldcat and the other secondary sources (Reginald, Contento, Clute/Nicholls) all have the title as "Science Fiction Adventure'''s''' from Way Out". It appears that we had the title with the plural adventures at one point as the disambiguation on the introduction has it that way. I also notice that the cover has the singular adventure. Could you double check the title page and see if it is "Adventures" there? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:No "s", Ron, on title page, same as the cover: "Science Fiction Adventure [sic] from Way Out". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:03, 14 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for checking. I'm going to put a note on the record about the incorrect title in the secondary sources. That should hopefully keep someone from asking you the same question in the future. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:36, 14 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperial Earth ==<br />
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Added a note and an ext ID to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192257 Imperial Earth] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:35, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sphere ==<br />
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Added a note and ect ID's to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31675 Sphere] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:18, 21 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== A Case of Need ==<br />
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Added pub notes and ext ID to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298 A Case of Need] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:42, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Prey ==<br />
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Added notes and imported title to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26612 Prey] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:39, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== State of Fear ==<br />
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Added pub notes and imported content and ext id's for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?300982 State of Fear][[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:07, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Home: Habitat Range Niche Territory ==<br />
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Hello Mark, could you check whether the title of the short story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?829116 this publication] is with, or without commas? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:40, 31 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:No commas. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:30, 31 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks Mark! Looks like I have a variant title then :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:08, 1 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Galaxy's Edge, Issue 41 ==<br />
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Hello. I've accepted your submission, but reverted the page count back to 116, as the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages help says]: ''For magazines, the rule is to use the actual page count - including the cover.'', so always even number for magazine page no's. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:01, 15 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Good to know. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:15, 15 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Solaris US publisher ==<br />
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You're one of the folks with a Solaris US publisher PV [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?316736]]. Could you weigh in at [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#The_Dragon.27s_Nine_Sons_.2F_Solaris_US]]? Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:51, 16 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I checked 6 US edition books (3 paperback, 3 trade papers) published in 2007, 2008. 2009, 2016, 2017, and 2018. All published by Solaris, none by "Solaris US". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:45, 18 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Lone Star Planet ==<br />
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I approved your submission of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?848702 Lone Star Planet] from Aegypan Press, but had to change the date to 0000-00-00. The publication date could not be the copyright date.[[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:01, 22 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:It's print-on-demand. Should I use "0000-00-00" date for any future POD pubs I post? Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:43, 23 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: No. If a date can be derived from somewhere (the book itself (title page, a store, publisher and so on), we use that even if the books are POD (because we do not record different batches and printings on POD as with standard publishers so if Amazon has 2021-03-12 for example, even if the individual book is printed on 2021-04-05 and the publisher prints each book when ordered, we still use the date for the batch/availability)... But the copyright date usually has little to do with when the book is published - so it goes into the notes but we do not use it as a date. Hope this makes sense. PODs can be a pain. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:50, 23 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== His Master's Voice ==<br />
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Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5039365 this submission] that I'm holding. Please let me know if this is truly a database error and this should be accepted or if your pub does have the "A" and this should be rejected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:11, 31 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:My edit is accurate: copyright page has "First edition" and "B C D E", as was HBJ standard for a first printing from 1973 to 1983 per the publisher's page on ISFDB. Thanks for checking, though. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:47, 31 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Your publication notes had "A B C D E". Another editor, Zjanes, submitted the change (unless you are editing under two accounts). That is why I double checked. I have approved their edit. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:02, 31 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Wow. OK, THANKS for catching my error. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:16, 31 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== World's Spring ==<br />
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Added notes and publication series to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55387 this] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:26, 5 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== jack payne artist ==<br />
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I split off this cover artist for pub you verified from the other John Payne, not artist and long dead. http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23499, if you have no objection. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 14:08, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:01, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Freedom Beach ==<br />
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Hi Mark, Note to Moderators from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5069101 this submisison] says ''For what it's worth, the novel also includes a variation of the short "Faustfeathers" by Kessel. Perhaps that should be included as well.'' (no idea whether the editor refers to all editions, or a specific one). As you are an active primary verifier, could you have a look and add it if relevant? (I'll leave a note on Dirk's & Mhhutchins talk pages as well) Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:08, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, the 3rd chapter of "Freedom Beach" is titled "Faustfeathers" and it shares a substantial amount of text with the story by that title in "Meeting in Infinity" ... but IMHO it's not identical enough to say it's the same work, or even necessarily an earlier version of the same story. Istead, seems to me the later story is a "fix up" of the earlier chapter. I'd recommend against creating a new story record for the chapter and, instead, add a pub note to both books about this. I'll be glad to do that if you agree. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:49, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Absolutely! Notes it is :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:54, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Edits submitted. Let me know if any need editing. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:49, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Voices from the Sky: Previews of the Coming Space Age ==<br />
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Hello! Done your order.Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 13:59, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Stepford Wives ==<br />
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(Moving from the user page: This is regards of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?376649 this book].<br />
hi, my copy has all of the first edition points that you listed but my jacket price is $5.95. Can you please check your copy and/or let me know what you think.<br />
thanks, Ray [[User:Lem|Lem]] 10:28, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Lem. I just verified, added copyright page info, and formatted a pre-existing record which had the $4.95 price. My copy is price-clipped, so I left the $4.95 price. But I did add the statement about price "on jacket front flap" since my flap had been clipped. My recommendation: verify the record and change the price to match your verified copy. Glad you checked! Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:02, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Feghoot in Special Wonder ==<br />
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There is one of Grendel Briarton's Ferdinand Feghoot stories in ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2930509 Special Wonder]'' which you have verified. We had the story merged with the first story in the series (Many of the stories use the same title). However, Contento notes that the first appearance of the story in ''Special Wonder'' was in the June 1967 issue of ''The Baker Street Journal''. I've requested a pdf of the story from the Journal, but in case they can't provide it, I was wondering if you could let me know the opening line from the story in the anthology. That way I should be able to determine which of 100 Feghoots reprinted in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37914 this] collection it is, and get it varianted to the correct title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:07, 11 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Ron. I've submitted an edit to the story title record, adding to its notes the first couple of sentences. Let me know if I can do anything else to help. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:25, 11 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::That's perfect. I do have one other related to this title. A story with the same title appears on page 152 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40971 this] anthology. In this case, Contento suggests that the story is original to the anthology. Again, if you could provide me with the opening line, I'll try to match it. I may not be able to as it may have been published after the Mirage collection. For now, I'll leave it merged with the May 1956 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?88888 story] from ''F&SF''. I've added the first line there, so if it matches, then we're good as is. For the first one I asked about, it's number 86 in the series and I'll update accordingly. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:50, 11 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::The Feghoot in 'Great Science Fiction Series' is new, per Bretnor's intro essay. I just submitted a couple of edits I think will clear this up ... but navigating all these Feghoot series, titles, and publications is confusing, so I'll re-check my edits after they're processed to see if they cleared it up. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:21, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::Yes, it doesn't help that the are at least 122 stories with either identical or inconsistent names. That's why I've been adding the opening phrase to the records. I've got those for the first 100 stories to which I've been able to assign numbers. Unfortunately, the final [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?887828 collection] appears to be quite rare. I've found a few numbered reprints in other anthologies and will be adding them. I've approved your edits. Thanks again for your help.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:06, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy: 2016 Edition ==<br />
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Hi Markwood,<br />
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Do you confirm the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2038397 this essay], i.e. "2015" instead of "2016" ? Or is that a typo ? Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 04:37, 14 October 2021 (EDT).<br />
:Yep, it's about 2015, when all the stories were published. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:01, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks ! I was just wondering, because the same title occurs in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1878751 2015 edition]… [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 11:06, 14 October 2021 (EDT).<br />
:::I just checked Horton's 'Best of 2015' and, yes, same title for his intro essay as in his 'Best of 2016'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:11, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::Ah well… Thanks again for checking ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 15:31, 14 October 2021 (EDT).<br />
::::: Why would anything BE consistent in books from the same publisher? That will be boring... Someone better add notes to both essays explaining the situation. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:33, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bible Stories for Adults ==<br />
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Can you check something in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286887 verified]? Is the story on page 163 called "Bible Stories for Adults No. 46: The Soap Opera" or "Bible Stories for Adults, No. 46: The Soap Opera". It is the only one that does not have that comma and the comma is there in the ebooks (both the US and the UK one). So before I go and split the title, I want to make sure we do not have a missing comma in our DB. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:48, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Annie. You're right: it has the comma in that book. Let me know if you want me to edit the book record and/or the story title record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:57, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I’ll fix it on the title level and leave a note for the PV for the other copy that has the story. Thanks for checking! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:21, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Starry Rift ==<br />
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I added the missing story (page 248-250) to the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47864 The Starry Rift]. Hope you're ok with that. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:20, 28 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch! Apologies for my missing it. Thanks, Willem. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:52, 28 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Hier, l'an 2000 ==<br />
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I found the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263674 this publication], it's from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62219 Wonder Stories, December 1933], there credited to Frank R. Paul. Added credit and notes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:52, 10 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:THANKS! I knew it was Paul, of course, but had no idea how to find the original. Really appreciate you solving this mystery, Willem. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:26, 10 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Cryoburn notes changes ==<br />
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CD-ROM info added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?330962 Cryoburn] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:20, 14 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Mediation by Cadwell Turnbull ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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I discovered that the short story "Mediation" by Cadwell Turnbull, from the "Entanglements..." anthology, was incorrectly named "Meditation" in the ISFDB entry for the story. I confirmed that "Mediation" is the correct title both on the Amazon Kindle preview and the paper copy. Here is the link to the submitted edit.<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5151829<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:37, 16 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:THANKS for catching this! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:42, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Rat-Catcher's Yellows ==<br />
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All previous versions of this story are called "Rat Catcher's Yellows". The one in your book is "Rat-Catcher's Yellows" (note the extra "-"). We date variants as per their first appearance under their own name. So [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2945474 Rat-Catcher's Yellows] remains with a date of "2021-11-16" and gets varianted to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1919657 Rat Catcher's Yellows ] which carries the 2015 date. <br />
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PS: If we had had to merge (if the titles were truly the same), the re-dating would have been an unneeded step - the merge would have taken care of it. Let me know if you have any questions. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:24, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Uh ... this is somewhat embarassing ... but there's no dash in the name in Anders' new collection. I didn't catch that difference in the pre-existing stub. Sorry about the extra work, Annie. I submitted a correction.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:31, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Well, made you check it again - so we are all good :) For next time: Instead of an Edit, submit the merge directly. :) Using Advanced search, look for Titles where the title is "Rat Catcher's Yellows" or title is "Rat-Catcher's Yellows". That would put them in a position to be merged. Then just make sure that the parent is set to empty - and you are all set. I approved the edit and then did the merge. And yes - titles don't merge by magic so once created as separate titles, someone needs to submit a merge somewhere :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:36, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Space Pioneers ==<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47613 The Space Pioneers] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:23, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Robot Rocket ==<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46312 The Robot Rocket] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:40, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Toward(s) the Beloved City ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?58171 This Philip José Farmer story] is in the database as "Toward the Beloved City", but it was also published as "Towards the Beloved City". I'm going to change the title in it's first appearance and in our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6999 Chronicles of a Comer]. According to the PJF international bibliography it was also published as "Towards the Beloved City" in your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53435 Visions of Tomorrow]. Can you check the title there? If so, I can change that one too (it's a two step edit, remove the wrong title and import the right one). Thanks for checking, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 17:25, 1 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Yes, it should be "Towards ..." (with 's'). I've submitted the 2 edits. Thx for catching this! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:34, 1 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for the quick response. Both edits approved. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 17:36, 1 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dangerous Visions and New Worlds ==<br />
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Hi Markwood -<br />
I've been adding the INTERIORART and COVERART records to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?857418 paperback edition] of ''Dangerous Visions and New Worlds''. The addition of the content is complete. I do intend to do another pass identifying which cover for all the uncredited items. Just letting you know in case you want to import them into your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?863618 hardcover edition]. I'll take care of importing them into the ebook. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:47, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:HOLY SHIT, RON! That's an insane, and wonderful, amount of work. HUGE KUDOS, dude. I've imported all your hard work into the hardcover edition. Take off the rest of the day. You've earned it. ;) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:33, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Space Art ==<br />
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Hello, Markwood. If you could, would you add the illustrations in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?271678 this book?] Thank you.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 00:18, 8 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Hi, Rosa. I'll work on this project as time allows, but it's a big request: almost 200 pages with probably > 1 artwork per page. Let me know if you've got any particular priorities for the project. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:27, 8 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::I'm interested in Chesley Bonestell's art, especially "Exploring Copernicus." Thanks!--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:28, 8 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Special Wonder: The Anthony Boucher Memorial Anthology of Fantasy and Science Fiction ==<br />
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On verifying [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31569 this pub] I noticed two things. The "H. B. Fyfe" story on page 209 is credited as by "Horace B. Fyfe" and my copy has a page inserted between page 360 and 361, containing the last page of the Margaret St. Clair story that was "omitted by mistake". The printed story ends with "It was nearly five weeks before he was released.", the insert starts with "He wanted above all things to find Rhysha." Is yours the same, and can I correct the Fyfe story / add the insert to the notes? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:06, 12 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Yes to both. It's "Horace B. Fyfe" in my copy. I didn't notice that when I verified the stub. My copy doesn't have the last page of "Brightness Falls ...". You're lucky it's still in yours. Color me jealous. :) But I've got the complete story in other books, thank goodness. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:42, 12 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks and done. I uploaded and linked a (fuzzy) scan of the insert, and tried to e-mail you a printable version, but I can't mail you through ISFDB. If you want a copy, let me know. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:14, 13 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Appreciate the offer, Willem, but don't need a copy of the insert. That said, THANKS for posting a copy on ISFDB in case someone else needs it. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:49, 21 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Gapping ==<br />
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https://web.archive.org/web/20020703121736/http://www.antipodean-sf.com:80/stories/story7.htm; You PV'd an edition of Memoryville Blues, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436397. The Darren Speegle story seems to be a reprint from 2002 on Antipodean SF; is there any mention of that in your book, and also it's odd because it's the last story in the book and couldn't run more than a couple of pages yet there's nearly 30 pages after it judging by the page count; maybe he greatly expanded it from the original? --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:16, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Hello, "Username" (? :). Thanks for heads-up. I researched and submitted edit to the title record. The Antipodean publication is an early 'flash fiction' vignette of the story, using the same title. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:42, 21 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks; and yes, Username is my username. Eight letters, easy to remember. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:10, 21 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Memory Librarian: And Other Stories of Dirty Computer ==<br />
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Future books are not eligible to be added until they are within 90 days of publication - and with the current state of publication, even that can get tricky sometimes so a closer date is better but it will be approved 90 days before it is due. Based on that I had to reject [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5170874 this one]. Feel free to resubmit (or to ping someone to unreject this one) in a month or so if the expected date is still the same. Thanks for the understanding. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 22 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:OK, no prob. Thanks for info. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:59, 23 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Enchanted: A History of Fantasy Illustration ==<br />
<br />
Hi Markwood<br />
<br />
I've added the Worldcat number to Kowalski's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?789960 Enchanted: A History of Fantasy Illustration]''. I'd also like to add the interior art items. Please let me know if you have any obhections. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:01, 27 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:I appreciate that, Ron. Never a problem with another PV editing a listing I've PV'd. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:19, 27 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Damon Knight's Orbit 15 - Edward Wellen stories ==<br />
<br />
Hi,<br />
<br />
James Davis Nicoll has [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25109 reviewed an archive.org scan of this anthology], which he says lacks the 2 Edward Wellen stories in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25109 the pub you verified]. I wouldn't have followed up on this, except for the fact that the recorded page numbers seem a bit unlikely, unless these stories are *very* short indeed. That isn't outside the realms of possibility, looking at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?674481 a translated pub] that has these and 7 other stories apparently all sharing the same page (?!?).<br />
<br />
I did have a quick look at archive.org, and those Wellen stories aren't mentioned on the scanned contents page. (I haven't "borrowed" the book from them to verify beyond the small handful of pages they make available to anyone, as I don't agree with their cavalier approach to book copyright.) Both the pub here and the scan on archive.org are the first edition.<br />
<br />
I did notice in the edit history there's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?609689 an edit that only references these 2 stories], but that seems to be making a slight tweak to existing data, so I don't think it's relevant.<br />
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Any chance you or the other PV can double-check your copies? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 11:21, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yeah, I understand why those Wellen stories look improbable. But, yes, they are both on the same page. Here they are, in their entirety: "IF EVE HAD FAILED TO CONCEIVE / . / The End" and "WHY BOOTH DIDN'T KILL LINCOLN / [blank line] / The End". It stretches the definition to call these "stories". Maybe it'd be more appropriate to call them "poems", or maybe "Zen paradoxes"? Beats me ... but Damon Knight chose to include them in his anthology, so we should include them in ISFDB. I can't explain why the archive.org scan omitted page 41 ... unless maybe the harried scanning nerd said "WTF" and blew it off. :) Let me know if you'd like any edits to the pub record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:02, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks - I see someone else has responded to him on Twitter with [https://twitter.com/KitCase3/status/1475869230390259716 a photo of the offending page]. I'll edit the pub note to state that those stories aren't listed on the contents page, and link to that photo for anyone still curious. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 14:04, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:57, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Old Die Rich and Other Science Fiction Stories ==<br />
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Added note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44832 The Old Die Rich and Other Science Fiction Stories].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:27, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:32, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Partners in Wonder ==<br />
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Added a note on the publication date to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25649 Partners in Wonder][[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:07, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Remote Control ==<br />
<br />
Added Canadian price, the source for the exact publishing date and a note for the Jacket designer and the Editor in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?812724 our verified]. Let me know if you have any issues with either. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:01, 14 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Prentice Hall Anthology of Science Fiction and Fantasy ==<br />
<br />
Hi.<br />
<br />
I picked up a copy of this anthology, and I have some questions and probable edits. I posted that complete discussion over at MLB's User Talk Page, see http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MLB#Prentice_Hall_Anthology_of_Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy_-_Questions_and_possible_edits<br />
<br />
As far as I can tell, the ISFDB TOC is identical for both versions, with probably the same issues.<br />
<br />
Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 00:33, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Galapagos==<br />
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I am PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?706513 Galapagos] and will correct "... has been previously printed by The Franklin Library" to "... has been privately printed by The Franklin Library" [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 12:01, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Will also add the cover art credit from the rear dustjacket flap. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 12:06, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:19, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Bangs & Whimpers ==<br />
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Added a note to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279807 Bangs & Whimpers].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:51, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== HTML in titles ==<br />
<br />
Hello, <br />
<br />
We do not support HTML inside of the title of any stories, interior art and so on. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Title the Fonts] section for details. So "The Leibnitz Mountains seen during an eclipse of the Sun by the Earth, from The Conquest of Space" needs to remain naked, it cannot be <nowiki>The Leibnitz Mountains seen during an eclipse of the Sun by the Earth, from <i>The Conquest of Space</i></nowiki>. I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2966821 here] and will fix it in a few more titles you added. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:18, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:OK, thanks. Good to know. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:17, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: All fixed. And signing above because I apparently forgot to. Sorry :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:18, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Lafferty in "The New Mind" ==<br />
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Can you check your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14778 The New Mind] for me? According to my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51284 Through Elegant Eyes] the four Lafferty stories were under the collective title "Four Sides of Infinity". I would like to add that to the notes, and correct the 2nd paperback printing. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:54, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:You are correct. I submitted an edit to the pub notes. Thanks for catching this omission. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:48, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! Approved and copied to the other editions. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:12, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Burning Brightly anthology - contents and questions ==<br />
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Hi, you have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?877062 the hc of this] PVed. I've just added the contents for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?894737 the ebook], based on the Amazon preview and the details on the NewCon Press site, but there are a few niggles that maybe you can help with?<br />
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* There's no contents page (in the preview at least) and the order the stories are listed on the copyright page doesn't match the order listed on [http://www.newconpress.co.uk/info/book.asp?id=192 the NewCon site] - can you confirm the latter is correct?<br />
* The copyright page has an incorrect spelling of "Iain R. MacLeod", but his name is spelled correctly as "Ian" on the cover - do you know what appears on the actual story itself?<br />
* The Juliet E. McKenna story is listed as "Through the Veil" on the NewCon site and the copyright page, but [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/novacon SFE] says the chapbook was titled "Trace Elements", and on [https://www.julietemckenna.com/?page_id=19 the author's site], the chapbook is listed as "Through the Veil'''s'''/Trace Elements". I'll do some more digging around to see if that was 2 separate stories in one chapbook, or one story with 2 different titles, but if you can shed any light, that'd be much appreciated.<br />
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Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 18:03, 16 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for reminding me I'd not yet imported contents. Just now submitted that edit, and will add page numbers once imported. All contents match the ebook listing, including mis-spelled "Iain R. MacLeod" (and I'll add pub note about that. His name is spelled correctly on book jacket and story title page.) No "Trace Elements" on Contents page or story title page. Always appreciate reminders & fixes like these! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:13, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Cheers. Adding these contents has been on my to-do list since I submitted the bog standard paperback edition last year, and I didn't have anything better to do on Saturday, although it turned out to be more of a hassle than I was expecting. (Most of the NovaCon booklets from the past 10 years aren't in the database, so it's a case of getting one item off my to-do list, but adding another 10 or so...)<br />
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:: My understanding is that the title/author name on the story takes precedence over any sources, so if that does have "Ian" correctly spelled, then the "Iain" version is superfluous to requirements (although it probably needs a note somewhere). I'll fix that once you've got the page numbers in the hc. Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 17:18, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks - I've updated the page numbers/ordering for the ebook to match, and also changed the author name back to "Ian R. MacLeod". Still yet to start on all the missing NovaCon booklets though :-( [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 11:54, 23 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:44, 23 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== New Eves - A question about the "Winter's King" version ==<br />
<br />
Hi.<br />
<br />
I see that you are the primary verifier for "New Eves: Science Fiction About the Extraordinary Women of Today and Tomorrow" (Forrest J. Ackerman, Janrae Frank, Jean Marie Stine, Longmeadow Press, 1994) (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192633).<br />
<br />
I have recently discovered that Ursula K. Le Guin had two different versions of her story "Winter's King". The original appeared in Orbit 5 in 1969; she put out a revised version in 1975 in "The Wind's Twelve Quarters". As has been pointed out by Rich Horton (https://www.blackgate.com/2022/01/16/winters-king-by-ursula-k-le-guin/), the 1976 version is different especially in the pronouns used for the King, and in some other related issues as well.<br />
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Rich suspected that all subsequent versions published were the 1975 version. I have confirmed this for several published versions, such as "The Arbor House Treasury of Modern Science Fiction" and also in "Hainish Novels & Stories, Volume 1".<br />
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I was not able to find a copy of "New Eves....". Assuming that you still have it, I would really appreciate it if you could check the version of "Winter's King". This might be obvious in the copyright although not necessarily and it should be obvious in the text.<br />
<br />
The 1975 version, which appears to be Le Guin's preferred version, referrs to the King as "her" and "she", not as "he" in the 1969 verion. In the 1975 version, the 2nd paragraph contains the text "...but when this picture was taken the young king had her back against a wall. She was filthy, she was trembling, and her face was blank and mad". In the original 1969 version, it is "he" and "his" throughout.<br />
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I would appreciate knowing which version is in "New Eves".<br />
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Thanks your help, and let me know if you have any question.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 18:30, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, Dave. I have submitted edits for 'The Wind's Twelve Quarters' and 'New Eves' to address. You are correct that she modified the pronouns for 'Twelve Quarters', and that the revised version is published in 'New Eves'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:37, 8 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for the update and for taking care of that. After I see your updates, I'll check and see if I need to update any other records to cover this issue that I have been able to verify which version is in use..[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 23:53, 8 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of Pirx the Pilot ==<br />
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Hello. I got myself a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34347 this]. There is a note that says "First Edition". My coppy has the same letter line "B C D E" but there is no "First Edition" wording anywhere on the copyright page. Also my copy is priced at $8.95. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:49, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry, but that's GREAT NEWS: means mine is a 1st printing, not a 2nd as I'd assumed. I'll correct my PV'd listing. Hope you can post your copy so we've got it documented. THANKS! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:31, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
::I did think that with a letter line beginning with B it couldn't be a first printing/edition. My copy has the same dustwrapper artwork so I cloned the record and retained the already associated cover art. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?901227 here] for my copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:16, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Ride: The Best Short Fiction of John Kessel ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5331319 this submission]: Another editor also submitted this. It is now in the database {{P|901127|here}}. As such, I had to reject yours as a duplicate. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:46, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:okey dokey. thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:31, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Adventures in Tomorrow + Jack of Eagles==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1660; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229505; Pub. series (Corwin) added. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:35, 7 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== R. A. Lafferty's From the Thunder Colt's Mouth ==<br />
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Hi, I've added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68121 this title] - which appears in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18137 an anthology you PVed] - based on [https://www.facebook.com/groups/eastoflaughter/posts/5147522055300789/ a FB discussion] that says it later appeared (in modified form) as part of the novel [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17001 Argo]. The latter doesn't have any PVs, so it seems unlikely that we can verify that claim, although 2 different people in that FB discussion corroborated the info, so it seems likely to be the case. Let me know if you have any objections to my edit. Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 12:34, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:No prob, of course. Hope someone can verify some day. Thanks for notice. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:59, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Final Dream ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39763; OL ID, OL cover and fixed title (&-and). --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:06, 11 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Isaac Asimov's Near Futures and Far ==<br />
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● I recently added the artist cover credit for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267884 Isaac Asimov's Near Futures and Far]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:47, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Stories ==<br />
<br />
Hi, I was comparing the English and the French edition of this title and noticed that according to [https://www.worldcat.org/title/stories/oclc/823751196 OCLC/WOrldcat] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33340 this book] is part of the 'Soviet Literature for Young People' series (just as the French edition is part of 'Littérature soviétique pour la jeunesse'). BTW: G. Petrov also did the cover art.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 14:51, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks, Dirk. I submitted a new pub note to reference the series. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:19, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Science-Fiction Subtreasury ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46572; 1 of the many editors who worked on the Bantam PB reprint wrote a note about copyright page saying this HC was published in September, so I've added that month to your PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:14, 12 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:THANKS! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:19, 12 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Evolution of Science Fiction ==<br />
<br />
Hi Markwood<br />
I added the catalog number from Reginald3 to your verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12709 Evolution of Science Fiction]''. Reginald gives the author as "Theodore Engel" and I've also added a note as to the discrepancy. I'm curious however as to why Reginald has a different credit, especially since it appears to be correct in Reginald1. The description is "[New York: Hugo Gernsback?, 1952?], 12 p., paper, nonf." which seems to be the same book. Is there anything in the physical book that mentions Engel? No hurry on answering, I'm just trying to satisfy my curiosity. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:27, 18 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks, Ron, for this note. I just submitted edit to add Theodore Engel as co-author of the pamphlet, with pub note about his role. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:06, 19 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov SF Anthology ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18600; I replaced unstable Amazon image with OL image, which also shows the spine. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:08, 21 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Baseball 3000 ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3630; I replaced cover with FantLab's and added OL ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:04, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== "Even Greater Mistakes", by Charlie Jane Anders ==<br />
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I added the primary artist for the cover based on the credit given on the back DJ flap. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:41, 1 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== R-A-M ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27228; I changed publisher to Hayden Book Company, as it appears on title page, and did the same for the other Hayden book on ISFDB, The Adventure Companion, which also has that publisher on title page, so both books will now be under the same publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:10, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:OK. Thanks for heads-up. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:43, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Who Goes There? ==<br />
<br />
Added a note and external ID to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54584 Who Goes There?].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:03, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Poe Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?788691; Copy uploaded to Archive a few days ago, https://archive.org/details/poestalesofmyste0000poee_l4p2, which seems to be a later printing than your PV judging by the letters on the copyright page, in case you're interested in adding it; also, I think LCCN that are in a book but not on LOC website are only supposed to be in notes, not ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:30, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Robot Artists & Black Swans Introduction ==<br />
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In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?820881 Robot Artists & Black Swans] I changed the second introduction "Storia, Futurita, Fantasia, Scienze, Torino by Bruno Argento" by Neal Stephenson to "Storia, Futurita, Fantasia, Scienze, Torino" by Bruno Argento (Bruce Sterling), as the copyright page seen in the Amazon Look Inside confirms--Neal Stephenson's byline for the first intro remaining unchanged. I imported it into your PVed paper edition entry from the corrected ebook entry. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 19:36, 14 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith / The Best of Cordwainer Smith ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185413 The Best of Cordwainer Smith] and will change the page number of the Timeline from [7] to [7]|0.5 so that it displays in the correct order in the Contents. I will also add this note:<br />
<br>In this publication, the two stories "The Crime and the Glory of Commander Suzdal" and "Golden the Ship Was—Oh! Oh! Oh!" are printed in transposed order compared with the early Ballantine pb printings<br />
<br>The Timeline in all these books lists "Suzdal" before "Golden". Both stories take place c13,000 A.D. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 10:56, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Card's Elephants ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?700204; Pending edit by me fixing "other stories" to "Other Stories", noticed the title story isn't in the contents, it's on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?100322, but spelled "Poznan", so the audio book either has the wrong title or it's correct somewhere inside, in case you want to check and import the story, possibly as a variant title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:58, 4 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Submitted edit to add the title story. It's on side 1 with the 'Introduction' essay. Thx for catching the omission. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 16:47, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Black Leopard, Red Wolf ==<br />
<br />
I couple of questions on {{P|698166|Black Leopard, Red Wolf}}:<br />
*The tp edition contains five maps; one for each section but the last. Are those not present in the hc?<br />
*In the tp edition, the Contents is a table of contents. We don't normally index ToC. Is there more to it in the hc?<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:16, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Contents of my PV'd hardcover are identical to listed TP. Submitted edits to delete ToC and add maps. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 13:33, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:43, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spectrum Harcourt Editions ==<br />
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Dude, you PV a bunch of Amis/Conquest Spectrum anthologies, American editions, but you entered the numbers instead of the Roman Numerals, for all volumes after II. Do all your PV have III, IV, and V? Because I changed them using 2 exact copies on Archive.org and 1 year-later reprint of the last volume. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:04, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Hello, "Username". (Catchy handle. Witness protection program? ;) All the US "Spectrum" anthologies use Arabic, not Roman, numerals ... as shown in the cover pictures. If you changed them back to Roman numerals, the records would not accurately reflect the books as published. If you need a 3rd opinion, check with a moderator. Thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:03, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::Username has 8 letters, like Markwood, which used to be the standard length for almost everything online, and it's easy to remember unlike people who enter obscure, complicated passwords and then forget them later when they need them. Also, the title on the title page is how titles are supposed to be entered on ISFDB; volumes 3-5 have numbers on the covers but numerals on their title pages. So if you can check the title pages and let me know; I already know the answer, based on the Archive copies, but mods demand PV corroborate before they'll accept my edits, even though in almost every case like this the PV does just that. I don't know how many other PV you've done, but if any of them also involved numbers/numerals you might want to take a look at those, too, because they'll also need fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Edits submitted. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:43, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Someone uploaded a (coverless) copy of the original Spectrum (Harcourt edition), which you also PV, last month just a week or so after my last entry here, so I've added a link today in a pending edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:27, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick / The Acts of Paul ==<br />
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You have PVd [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588596 Gigantic Worlds] which contains [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2067767 Brief Synopsis for an Alternate World Novel: The Acts of Paul] by PKD. A couple of points: 1) I have a chapbook of this short story which is titled: "Brief Synopsis for Alternate World Novel: The Acts of Paul". There is no "an" before "Alternate". Can you please check whether the title in Gigantic Worlds does contain "an". 2) Do you have a source for the publication year of 1982? From what I can see, it was written in 1982 but first publication is in my 1987 chapbook. If so, the date should be 1987. Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:08, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Sorry, but I sold that book awhile ago. I just now switched my verification to 'transient'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:48, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::OK, thanks for letting me know. In that case I'll assume the title was correctly entered in Gigantic Worlds which means I shall 1) create the chapbook for "Brief Synopsis for Alternate World Novel: The Acts of Paul". 2) Variant the version of the title in Gigantic Worlds to the title in the chapbook. 3) Amend the date of the variant to 2015-09-00 as it needs to be the date of first publication of the variant. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:59, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::THANKS! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:40, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== F&SF 24 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35677; I've already changed the regular title to how it actually appears in the book and added an Archive.org link to your PV, so you'll need to check your copy and change "and" to "&" and add a colon after "fiction" in the title if your copy's the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:57, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Biscuit & Milk ==<br />
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Regarding the note to moderator in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5495019 this submission]: It is not possible to add styling to titles. Adding the styling to the notes as you have done here is the only method. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:07, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Santa Steps Out ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193445; I added the FantLab ID and saw there was interior art which is credited to Alan M. Clark on the copyright page, so I added that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:51, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== F&SF 23, 22==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35676; Shouldn't there be a colon after Fiction in the title, cover art, and introduction? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35675; Also for this one; the PB doesn't have a colon, either, but you didn't PV that. I also added Archive.org link to this edition and added month to regular title and introduction but the essay I didn't because I don't know whether that's a reprint even though it has a 1977 date; you'll know, I'm sure, and can fix it if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:36, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:There's no colon in either anthology's title on their title page, copyright page, half-title page, jacket front, jacket back, or jacket front flap. Let me know if there's a reason to add a colon where none currently exists. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 17:23, 16 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913019 The History of Science Fiction] ==<br />
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Hi! I have found an entry with OCLC (1236259750) that lists an ISBN (9781643379142). Maybe that number is somewhere hiddenly listed within your PVed pub.? Also, I'd like to think it seems somewhat reasonable to list the artist as co-author, with this being a graphic format title. What do you think? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:09, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:Howdy! Yes indeed, thanks to your suggestion I looked further and found it in the barcode on back cover. Submitted edit with that addition. Regarding how to list artists of graphic format publications ... I don't know the ISFDB standard. I've been listing using the 'artist' field, only. Is there an alternate listing protocol for graphic format pubs? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:23, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I'd say it is more often found that both (author & artist) are credited, like in a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?18279 comic entry], but both ways of indexing are to be found in the database. Just looking at this work leads me to think that text & art are inseparable entwined ... Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:41, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spectrum V ==<br />
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I updated the title of {{P|921982|Spectrum V}} from 5 to V based on the pub notes since we enter pub titles per their tittle page. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:20, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spaceman of Bohemia ==<br />
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You might want to check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?603503 Spaceman of Bohemia]. Although the cover design is credited to Allison Warner the artwork itself is credited to Dorling Kindersly.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 19:27, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Good catch. Thanks. Submitted edit to add her. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:33, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Forrest J. Ackerman credits ==<br />
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When you have a moment, could you please check how your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact&TERM_1=Forrest+J.+Ackerman&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Markwood&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication verified Forest J Ackerman] pubs credit Ackerman? The other day a user pointed out that most of Ackerman's books/stories use {{A|Forrest J Ackerman}} as opposed to {{A|Forrest J. Ackerman}}, but only 30-ish of our pubs credit him that way. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:38, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No period after "J" on all title pages. "Gosh Wow" has a period after "J" in the copyright, the rest don't. I'll submit edits for all to remove the period, as shown on the title pages. Whoever caught this ... thanks! It's a good catch. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 18:44, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for checking! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:51, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy, 2012 Edition ==<br />
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I have submitted substantial changes to the publication record of this title. Since you PV'd it, I wanted you to know. You can view the submission here: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5545171 I forgot to mention my reason for altering the page count. The last page, "About the Editor," is numbered in the table of contents. Any concerns, let me know. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 09:59, 17 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Octavia E. Butler / Wild Seed ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?198157 Wild Seed] and will add Pub Series and a Pub Note with source of Month. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:18, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Octavia E. Butler / Parable of the Talents ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25597 Parable of the Talents] and will add a pub note about the different ISBN stated in barcode box. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:13, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Octavia E. Butler / Fledgling ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?72706 Fledgling] and will correct the page count to 317 and add pub notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:15, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Digital Domains ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303312; I fixed title ("and Fantasy" on title page, seen on OL). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Life Beyond Us ==<br />
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While approving your edit adding the contents to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?933143 Life Beyond Us] I noticed quite a few case errors. Please follow our standards for English titles.<br />
The ISFDB case regularization rules are as follows:<br />
<ul><li>the first word is capitalized.<br />
<li>all later words are capitalized except for "a", "an", "and", "at", "by", "for", "from", "in", "of", "on", "or", "the", "to", and "with".<br />
<li>hyphenated words have the first letter after the hyphen capitalized. </ul><br />
Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:57, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robot Artists... ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?820881; Artist is Coulthart, not Coulthard. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:12, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Boucher - "S-F Books - 1960" or "S-F Books: 1960"? ==<br />
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Could you check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34940 The 6th Annual of the Year's Best S-F] to see exactly how Boucher's essay is titled - I suspect it might be "S-F Books: 1960". If it is, and it's ok with you, I'll make the change. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:14, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi, Kev. Good catch! Yes, it's a colon, not a dash. Thanks for making the edit to ISFDB. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:18, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that, and you're welcome. I'll get on it and it will show up in your changed PV alerts. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:42, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Re image links ==<br />
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HI! After you upload the image [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:CTSCRDLXBZ1976.jpg], click on the body of the image which should take you to this[https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/7f/CTSCRDLXBZ1976.jpg]. Use this image link. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:05, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title type for Biographies (The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy 2012) ==<br />
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Hi, you're one of 2 active PV's for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1421198 Rich Horton's 2012 Best SF&F]. I'm 99.9999% certain that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1480310 Biographies] should be an ESSAY rather than SHORTFICTION, but I thought best just to sanity check before changing a pub that others have verified. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:53, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Good catch. Thanks! Fixed. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 13:53, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== A Scanner Darkly graphic novel ==<br />
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A few questions for you.<br />
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You're the PV for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?81676 this trade paperback] (with only Dick as the author), and you have a submission on hold for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5550059 the hardcover] (with both Dick and Linklater as the authors). You have both with the same ISBN. Is this correct? In general, especially from established publishers, the same ISBN isn't used for two different formats (TP and HC). The rules of ISBN usage specifically state that different formats should have different ISBNs. <br />
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Do these contain the full text of the novel, or are they adaptations that use the images in place of some of the descriptive text? If they do not contain the full text of the novel, the graphic novels should not be varianted to the novel. Since the cover of the graphic novel states "Based on the novel by Philip K. Dick", it leads me to believe this is an adaptation, not the full novel.<br />
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Regarding the titles, there's no need to include the disambiguator "(Graphic Novel)" following the title since the original novel and the graphic novel have different authors (the novel is only by Dick, and the graphic novel is by both Dick and Linklater). <br />
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Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:07, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Clock That Went Backward ==<br />
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Concerning 1881 short story "The Clock That Went Backward" by Edward Page Mitchell:<br />
We have ten remaining publications as {{t|93690|The Clock That Went Backwards}} (with final 's'), which has been the parent title until yesterday. Eight are primary verified including five of your verified anthologies. I hope you will check them: BACKWARD or BACKWARDS?<br />
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(The new story title notes are already out of date. I will update probably next fortnight.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:53, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've sold 3 of those 5 anthologies. Of the 2 I can still verify, it's "Backwards" (with an S) in "Time Travellers", and "Backward" (no S) in "Isaac Asimov Presents the Best Science Fiction of the 19th Century". Sorry I couldn't help with the other three. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 15:27, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks. Our ten publications include multiple eds./printings of both those two.<br />
:: Probably we should have a way to revise a Primary verification (no change in its date) from Permanent to Transient, for such as your anthologies sold; and to note that a publication record was primary verified (by unnamed at stated past date), for former participants who prefer to delete their record. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:46, 11 March 2023 (EST)</div>
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== The Other Passenger by John Keir Cross ==<br />
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Thanks for adding new content to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?242461 this pub]. Your submission was accepted with some minor changes. For prices use the dollar sign, e.g. $2.75 in this case. Also when adding new content such as stories, the new records created by the update will have to be merged with any existing records for the same stories (there were title records for 8 of the stories you added). I'll do that and you'll see the results on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?John%20Keir%20Cross John Keir Cross's summary page]. Thanks again, and welcome to the ISFDB. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:17, 1 Jan 2008 (CST)<br />
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== ESPer ==<br />
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Your submission was accepted, a correction was made to the price entry. All prices need to start with a currency symbol, and prices in cents need a leading zero, e.g., $0.35.--[[User:Rkihara|Rkihara]] 18:56, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Conditionally Human ==<br />
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I accepted your submission updating the cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7847 this pub], and notified the verifier. It is ISFDB policy that an editor notify the verifier when a change has been made in a verified pub. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Ellison Wonderland '' ==<br />
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Thanks for correcting the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?LLSNWNDRLN1984 Bluejay Books edition of ''Ellison Wonderland '']! I have approved the submission and massaged the data in this publication, so it seems to be OK now.<br />
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One word of caution: if you edit an existing title in the Contents section of a collection, anthology, magazine or omnibus, it will affect that title in ''all'' other books and editions that the title appears in. Sometimes this behavior is desirable, for example if you are correcting a typo and the correction applies to every edition that we have on file. However, in this case it would mean that 'Back to the Drawing Boards' would replace 'The Forces that Crush' everywhere, which is presumably not what we want. This a common issues that all new contributors run into and we plan to change the behavior of our software to make it more intuitive, but for now we follow the workaround described in [[Help:How to change a story in a collection]]. Thanks again for the submission! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:17, 10 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== LCCN placement ==<br />
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The LCCN should be placed in the note field. The Catalog #/ISBN field is used only for the ISBN or the catalog numbers of pre-ISBN paperbacks. I've adjusted the change you made to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25253 this pub] accordingly. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 05:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Synopsis field ==<br />
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The synopsis field is used for a brief suimmery of the plot of a story or novel. Comments such as "Per Acknowledgments in 'Shot in the Dark' (p 310), reprinted from 'Wanted: Someone Innocent' (Pony Books Edition) by Margery Allingham Carter, 1946. Contento also lists 1946 as publication year." should be placed in the notes field. Thank you. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 21:06, 2 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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The same thing happened in {{T|91756|Who Is Charles Avison?}}, and i again moved the "synopsis" of "Originally published in an April 1916 issue of Argosy, per Contento (1st edition, p 572.)" into the notes field. I do thank you for these detailed and useful notes, but do please put them in the note field in future. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:32, 2 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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The same thing with {{T|75152|The Bronze Parrot}} by {{A|R. Austin Freeman}}. But here there is another oddity. I have read most of Freeman's work, and little if any of it qualifies as speculative fiction. Handling Non-SF contents in SF anthologies or collections is a bit tricky, and opinions vary on the best way to do it. But some indication of non-speculative status should generally be recorded. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:DES: thanks for cleaning up my edits. The Freeman story, 'The Bronze Parrot', does qualify as speculative fiction. A milquetoast churchman finds a small bronze parrot, and is unaware that it immediately changes him to an intimidating bully. When he finally returns the parrot to the museum which lost it, he returns to normal. At the end we learn the parrot was the totem of an Ashanti War Chief whose war chant translates as, "Foreign slaves revile me. Why?".<br />
::You are welcome. Since I left this msg, i found the story in the collection ''The Great Portrait Mystery'' (via PG Australia) and i quite agree. There is another story in that collection that is basically a ghost story. I'll have to see about entering it. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 21:11, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== DW? ==<br />
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Hello - when updating {{p|4094|The Best from Startling Stories}} you added the note "per DW front flap, 'Jacket illustration by Alex Schomburg, copyright 1952, by Better Publications, Inc.'" I approved the update but what's the or a DW? --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 06:56, 30 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: I would guess "Dust Wrapper", aka "Dust Jacket"? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:13, 30 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks - that makes perfect sense. I updated the publication to spell out "dust wrapper" and found three other pub records that also used DW which I expanded. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 04:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 1964 Ballantine edition of ''Star of Stars'' ==<br />
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You may not have run into it yet, but when we make changes to verified publications, we generally leave messages on the verifier's Talk page so that the verifier can make sure that the changes match his copy. (In a small percentage of cases it turns out that two editors have two somewhat different editions.) I have approved the addition of Richard Powers as the cover artist to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?182401 1964 Ballantine edition of ''Star of Stars'']and, since it was already verified by [[User:Kraang]], left him a note on [[Adding Images/Notes to Pubs Verified by Kraang]]. Thanks for editing! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: I think Ahasuerus meant [[User talk:Kraang/Changes to Verified Pubs]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 04:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Men Against the Stars ==<br />
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The submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297271 this new pub] was accepted, but a few changes were made. I copied the catalog number that you had in the notes fields into the ISBN/Catalog No. field, and the contents were entered based on the reference in Tuck. A couple of questions: Tuck gives this a 1957 date, and gives it 191 pages. Can you double check the page count before I do a Tuck-verification of the record? Also if you have a copy, please add the page numbers for the stories. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:According to [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2398051 OCLC record 2398051] this was published in 1957 and has 191 pages (both agrees with Tuck). It also says that "Pyramid Giant G234" is printed on the cover. Does your copy agree with this? [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I just found this [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/15863672 OCLC record 15863672] which has the same date and page count as your copy but it only lists seven stories. We need to reconcile the ISFDB records with Tuck and OCLC. I added a cover scan from Bookscans website. Does it match your copy? Also, does you copy have a statement that it is a second printing? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:01, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Gollancz edition of ''Blood and Burning'' ==<br />
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Do you know which stories are included in this edition of the Budrys collection? Thanks. Also, I removed "uncredited" in the cover artist field. That field remains blank if the artist is not credited in the book. If there is a visible signature, or a secondary source you can place that name in the field and place the source in the notes. Otherwise leave the field blank. See the artist section of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#General_contents the entry standards]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:01, 17 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Arthur Sellings' "The Transfer" ==<br />
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I accepted the submission which updated [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98459 this title record] with a note saying that it was not in the collection. Contento and Tuck disagree, but they do make an occasional error. I will accept a submission which removes it from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TMTRNSFRBB1956 this pub record], but will ask that you do a primary verification on the pub in case someone should come along and try to add the story back based on Contento and Tuck. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 06:25, 2 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Stories from Outer Space ==<br />
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I approved the update to {{p|33346|Stories from Outer Space}} but am puzzled in that you changed the note from<br />
* Page count and place of publication from OCLC record 6033507.<br />
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* Page count and place of publication from OCLC record 6033507. Page count verified by my copy of book <br />
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Someone looking at this record will not know who "my" is.<br />
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Does your copy not state the place of publication? Per what's at [[Template:PublicationFields:Publisher]] it looks like it would be better to:<br />
* Change the publisher name to "Chartwell Books" to remove the city name.<br />
* Update the note to say "OCLC record 6033507 reports the publisher as 'Secaucus, NJ: Chartwell Books.'" --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 08:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Coverscan of "The Other Worlds" ==<br />
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I noticed your third effort to upload the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:TOTWRLDS1941.jpg coverscan] for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TOTWRLDS1941 The Other Worlds]. Nice scan btw. There seems to be one step in the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki procedure] you haven't found yet, step 6: ''Once the file has been uploaded, the image's wiki page will appear. In order to get the URL (address) for the image you just uploaded, left click anywhere on the image and copy the URL from your browser's address window. (Or right click on the image and choose "Copy Image Location".) If you're adding a cover image to a pub record, this is the URL which you would enter into the pub record's "Image URL" field.'' After this edit is approved, the scan should be visible on the publication page. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 06:29, 11 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Since you haven't responded, I added the link. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 06:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Code ==<br />
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I am going to approve your update of {{T|903496|Code}} but the comment of "Copyright attribution in Sterling's collection 'Visionary in Residence' says, 'first appeared in Men Seeking Women: Love and Sex On-line edited by Jonathan Karp, Atrandom.com, 2001.' " belongs in the note field, '''not''' inn the synopsis field. I will move it. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 06:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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A similar issue occurred with {{T|903499|The Necropolis of Thebes}} where I moved text from the synopsis field to the note field. Please remember that the Synopsis field is for a brief plot summery of a novel or story. Thank you for your contributions. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 06:36, 6 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Complete Novel=Serial ==<br />
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The ISFDB gives any novel that is published complete in one issue the SERIAL title type. Yes, this may first appear to defy the meaning of "serial", but keep in mind, when authors sell a work's "serial rights", it simply means that it will be published in a periodical as opposed to a book, not that it will necessarily have to be split into multiple issues of that periodical. The ISFDB uses the SERIAL type accordingly, and then makes it into a variant of the canonical title record, which contains publications of the story in book form. If you look at the title record for the Budrys novel [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?606861 here], you'll see that it contains three publication records. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SATLTSFOCT1956 first one] is it's "serialization" in a single issue of ''Satellite''. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MANOERT1958 second] is its book publication by Ballantine. And the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RNGXMTVJCB1962 last] is a translated serialization (in one issue) of an Italian magazine. The two serializations have been made variants of the book title which we consider the ''canon'' title of the work. If the book publication ("Man of Earth") had retained the same title used in the magazine publication ("The Man from Earth"), and if we made the magazine publication into the NOVEL title type (which your submission would have done) then we would have a novel title record "The Man from Earth" which is a variant of another novel title record "The Man from Earth", an untenable situation as it would be natural to merge these two records. So those persons who designed the database (not me) decided to make all magazine appearances into SERIAL title types, regardless of the number of issues in which it appear. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:27, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Notes in ''The Kid from Mars'' ==<br />
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Hi. I just accepted your edits to {{P|272837|A Kid from Mars}}. It sounds as if you actually have the book. In cases like this, where the notes indicate the entry was constructed from secondary sources, it's ok to remove/revise the notes where the source of the data is now the publication itself. For example, the note talks about the year being from Worldcat, but you've found the date on the copyright page (and you've added a note to that effect). Other than the fact that this corresponds to OCLC #1806888 (which should be kept in the notes), most of the first two sentences are no longer relevant if you have the publication. Does that make sense? Absolutely no harm in erring on the side of keeping things and/or following an add-only policy, but I wanted to be sure you know it's ok to do more than that in this situation. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:00, 1 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Harrison's introduction in ''Best SF 1970'' ==<br />
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Just a note that I accepted the addition of page numbers to the first US edition of this book, but converted Harrison's "Introduction" from a review to an essay. I also merged it with its counterpart from a later printing and set up a variant title for the retitled version of the intro in the Sphere edition. Thanks for editing! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Pre-decimal British currency ==<br />
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I accepted your change to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?320679 this pub], but reverted the price from "6s. 0d." back to "6/-", which is the form we use here on the ISFDB for pre-decimal British currency. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:35, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Non-Fiction vs. Essay ==<br />
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Hi. Approved your addition of {{P|339043|Seven for Space}}, but I changed the types of the two introductory pieces from NONFICTION to ESSAY. We use NONFICTION for book-length works, and ESSAY for shorter pieces. You will rarely (if ever) have a case where you would set a content entry's type to NONFICTION. The distinction isn't obvious unless you've studied [[Help:Screen:EditPub#EntryType|the help]]. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:16, 28 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Foundation's Edge ==<br />
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I approved your edit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?224597 this pub], but then cloned it, because mine was obviously a second printing. Also moved my verification, and deleted the note about the 2nd printing. I would have appreciated a message on my talk page. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 11:51, 31 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Variant dustjacket for ''Travelers of Space'' ==<br />
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I've responded to your message to Gilgamesh on his talk page, but I just noticed that you'd uploaded the Binkley image by using the replace image method. So the Cartier image no longer links to the pub, the one you replaced it with (the Binkley art) is now displayed in the pub record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TRVLRSSPC1951 Travelers of Space]. In the future, don't use the "Upload new cover scan" link if the images don't match. This link is to upload a better scan of the image than the one that's currently displayed in the record. If you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:TRVLRSSPC1951.jpg the wiki page] for the image, you'll see it is credited to Edd Cartier, who was the artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/archive/2/25/20110116205657!TRVLRSSPC1951.jpg the image] you replaced. I could revert these changes but the image you just uploaded (the Binkley artwork) may be lost. If so, you'll have to upload it again, using [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki the other method] of adding images to the server. I'll let you know if I can save it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:03, 16 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I may have the artists of the two images confused. Is the blue one by Binkley and the red one by Cartier...or the reverse? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:05, 16 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::go ahead and delete the Binkley image I uploaded, and replace with previous Cartier (red) jacket. apologize for the hassle. {{Unsigned|Markwood}}<br />
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:::No hassle, but you should sign your comments with four tildes - <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> :). I've reverted the image to the Cartier art, reloaded the Binkley image and linked it to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52251 the pub record's note field]. Please add further notes to the record detailing what you know about each of the two dustjackets. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors: A Search for Who We Are ==<br />
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I'm not sure if this title would be covered under the current policies about inclusion in the database. Was is your rationale for adding it? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:13, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:This nonfiction book appears consistent with the other nonfiction books already listed for Sagan. It, too, is 'popular science', this time focusing on human evolution and biology. I'm just trying to fill in a missing title in a catalogued body of work. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]]<br />
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::Your submission doesn't credit Sagan as the author, only Ann Druyan. Those other books by Sagan are in the db based on their being reviewed in an SF magazine. I don't think we need to add every book every written by a scientist who wrote only one work of SF, but I'll allow the submission if you'll update it, giving Sagan credit. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I've accepted the submission making the following changes based on the OCLC record: Changed the ISBN from "0-394-534881-6" to "0-394-53481-6", added the roman-numeraled pages, and added Carl Sagan as the co-author. If this matches your copy of the book please do a primary verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?342401 the pub]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:07, 31 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Bradbury Chronicles 2 ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?353078 this new pub] but removed the publication series in which you placed it. This is a title series and is already in the pub's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32112 title record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:39, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:According to the OCLC record, the cover art is by Dave Gibbons. Are you certain that Bruce Jensen is credited as the artist? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Yes, cover art for the hardcover edition is by Bruce Jensen, per back of dust jacket: 'Cover illustration by Bruce Jensen'.<br />
[[User:Markwood]]<br />
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== Bradbury Chronicles 3 ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?353079 This record] was accepted, and like the one above, I removed the publication series data. Also there's an error in how the cover artist is credited. If the cover art is a collaboration between two people each person must be credited in their own field. Press "Add Artist" to enter additional credits. Did both Timothy Truman and Steve Fastner create the cover art? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Yes, both artists are credited on back of dust jacket: 'Cover illustration by Timothy Truman & Steve Fastner'. Thanks for reminder about entering each artist separately. (Doh! :)) I'll fix the database record.<br />
[[User:Markwood]]<br />
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== ''The Inheritance'' by Robin Hobb (and Megan Lindholm) ==<br />
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Your note to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340301 this pub] states that Lindholm is credited as the author on the back cover. The ISFDB standard is to use the credit as given on the book's title page, because occasionally cover credit differs from title page credit. Can you confirm that the book is credited to both Hobb and Lindholm on the book's title page? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:00, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Because of non-response, the submission was accepted, but the change in author credit was reverted to the original credit. If you feel this is in error, please leave a message here. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:22, 1 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Never at Home'' ==<br />
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Hi. To answer your question about {{P|354889|Never at Home}}'s publication date.... Start with what does the book say? If that doesn't help, then look for secondary sources. Here, if I go to [http://www.aqueductpress.com/ Aqueduct Press], I see they have "prerelease" pricing for orders before Aug 1, which sort of reinforces an August publication date. But if there were no information, then you might go with a July date based on your purchase. Regardless, I would include in the notes that you purchased a copy 2011-07-19. Unfortunately, being able to buy it doesn't necessarily say anything about the official publication date (other than it's somewhere near then).<br />
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A secondary comment: If you edit an entry whose notes claim Amazon (usually from Fixer or Dissembler -- two web crawlers) or any other secondary source as the source of information, you should delete that note, since now you are working off of the book. You'd only leave the note if there were some data elements in the entry that were not in the book and still came from the secondary source. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:54, 21 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gutter code on ''The Best from Universe'' ==<br />
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The gutter code is probably "O01" (the letter O followed by two numerical digits "01") in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35736 this pub] which would indicate a printing in the first week of January 1984. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:42, 21 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Creating line breaks in notes ==<br />
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If you want to make a line break in the note field, a simple keyboard return won't do it. You'll have to use HTML. Just add '''<nowiki><br></nowiki>''' at the end of the line before you start the next. If you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44191 the record] you just updated, you'll see that all the data you entered into the notes are on one line and that it butts up to the previous one (with the LOC permalink). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:04, 22 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The New Atlantis'' ==<br />
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I approved the submission adding the page numbers to the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44578 this publication]. Since the introduction starts on an Roman numbered page, you should also add those to the page count. Also, I noticed that OCLC gives the page count as vii+182 while the LCCN gives it as just 180. Can you confirm which one is correct? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Last page with text is numbered 180. There are 8 (viii) pages before page 1, with the 1-page intro on page vii. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:44, 23 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for updating the record. Please do a primary verification when you get the chance. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:19, 24 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Wrinkle in Time'' ==<br />
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The submission adding a record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371155 this printing] of the title was accepted. There is no evidence that this was ever a selection of the SFBC. The definitive list was supplied to the rec.arts.sf.written newsgroup by SFBC editor Andrew Wheeler in 2003, and this title was not on the list. There is no doubt however that this edition was published by Doubleday for any number of their book clubs. When there is no direct evidence that a Doubleday printing was a selection of the SFBC, we give the publisher as "Publisher / BCE". Can you check to see if the words "Book Club Edition" are printed at the bottom on the front flap of the dustjacket? There is also enough evidence to date this to at least 1969. (A new FSG trade edition, using the Ariel Books imprint, was published in 1968 and at that time, book club editions usually appeared between 6 and 12 months after the trade edition.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:33, 26 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:The dust jacket on my copy has both top & bottom corners of front flap clipped. Probably did have 'Book Club Edition', given other evidence (no edition/printing on copyright page, apparent book club number '2021' on bottom of back flap, blank back jacket), but can't verify. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:21, 28 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I've made adjustments to the record that it's a BCE and dated it 1969. If we can later confirm that it was a SFBC selection, the record can be corrected. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:32, 28 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Best of F&SF ==<br />
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This is a title series, not a publication series. I've removed it from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35674 this publication record]. The series was already in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34184 the title record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:27, 28 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== F&SF 30 Year Retrospective ==<br />
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I linked the Amazon cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43491 your verified record] of this title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:38, 2 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Adventures in Time & Space'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission correcting the price of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?245825 this record]. Is the $2.95 price printed on your copy's dustjacket? I need to note that the price given in Tuck is incorrect. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 3 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, price in upper right corner of front flap of dust jacket is '$2.95'. Guess Tuck was rounding up. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Adventures in Tomorrow'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the editor credit and all interior pieces in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367503 this edition] are given to Kendell F. Crossen? The OCLC record credits the full name, but their older records may not be as reliable. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:28, 3 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Far Boundaries'' ==<br />
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You should leave a note on the other primary verifier's talk page that you made some substantial changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13206 this record]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:31, 3 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== How to... ==<br />
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Click on the Wiki "Help" link and you're carried to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents this page]. There's a link for "How to..." Clicking on that will carry you to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to this page]. I would suggest bookmarking this page, as it has links to almost every function you will probably need to know in editing the database. There's a link here on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to merge titles]. This will teach you how to merge the two separate title records for the same Ken MacLeod story. If you have any questions, please leave a response to this message. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:26, 8 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== 30 Years of MFSF ==<br />
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Hello, I spotted a faulty page numbering in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43491 this pub]: Bretnor's Schimmelhorn story is catalogued on p. 2009 and I guess it should be - for example - p. 209. Could you take another veryfying look? Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:34, 12 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
: And while taking another look: the stories by Boucher and Disch both begin on p. 273 in this pub? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:42, 12 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Good catch. Thanks! There were 2 typos: '2009' was supposed to be '209', and '... Saint Aquin' starts on 294. I submitted the edits. Really appreciate you finding the errors and letting me know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:24, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::No problem: we all do the occasional typiung (see?) error. I was just linking the German publication of the anthology. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Storm Over Warlock ==<br />
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Hello, I had to reject your modification to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298713 this pub], instead of modifying the record for the first printing, you should have created another record for what seems to the second printing. You can do this via the "Clone This Pub" item in the "Editing Tools" menu on the left of the screen. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 22:15, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:OK. I submitted the clone edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:27, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Approved, thanks (you also can do a primary verification now). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 22:32, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Disambiguating titles... ==<br />
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...should be done with parentheses, not brackets. I've corrected the title of the introduction in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15122 this record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:45, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Serial LCCNs ==<br />
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Concerning your note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48409 this record] about a duplicate LCCN. This is called a serial LCCN because it's assigned to newspapers, periodicals, and book series, so that each successive volume can be grouped by librarians. I discovered this a few years back when I was working on other series like ''Universe'', ''New Dimensions'', and ''Orbit''. You may have already been aware of the usage, but I thought I'd let you know just in case you may have believed the duplication to be an error. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:05, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Good to know. I'll re-edit the Galaxy Readers I've verified to use this terminology. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Eyes of the Overworld'' ==<br />
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There was a discussion about this title years ago (I tried to find it, but my Wiki search skills have failed me) in which the conclusion was to keep [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2033 this title] a novel and not a collection. It may have been because the individual works had been "fixed-up" to form the novel, or that the work was published as a novel instead of a collection. I really can't remember. If you want to begin a new discussion on one of the community pages, leave a note on the talk page of each of the verifiers. I'll hold your submission until the outcome of that discussion. I can't accept it as it is right now because you left the pub type as a novel. Now that we have the ability to import contents it would be easier than it was years ago to convert each of the pubs to a collection type and then import the contents. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: I also can't find the original discussion, if it still exists. My own comment [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_05#The_Eyes_of_the_Overworld_:_Novel-.3Ecollection here] gave one reason not to rework them, but this may be a sign that we really need to look at beefing up "based on" links. In the copious free time that Ahasuerus and I don't have. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 02:34, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::If it was decided, then please ignore my edit and leave as novel. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:06, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's possible that the main reason for keeping it as a novel was because of the difficulty in converting records. Software changes have made that much simpler. I see that two of the constituent pieces ("The Cave in the Forest" and "The Manse of Iucounu") were first published as a single piece ("The Manse of Iucounu") and another one ("Cil") was original to the book but subsequently published as a separate piece. The other pieces appeared serially in F&SF over the course of a few months (12/65-7/66). So that may be why the book is considered a "fix-up" novel instead of a story collection. If you don't want to initiate a discussion (things aren't so set in stone that they can't be changed), you can cancel the submission. I'll leave it in the queue and leave the decision to you. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Frost & Fire ==<br />
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I added a number of items to the notes section of a pub you verified, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13592 Frost & Fire by Zelazny. [[User:Biomassbob|Biomassbob]] 01:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Gateway to Tomorrow ==<br />
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Quick question: is "Mus'''ue'''m Press" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15122 this record]'s Notes a typo? Also, should the publisher be "Museum Press" rather than just "Museum"? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:41, 20 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:yes, those were typos. Thanks for pointing them out. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:45, 21 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== No Boundaries ==<br />
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I added some words to the notes section of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287050 No Boundaries that appear on the page opposite the title page to the effect that the book is a first edition, not a reprint. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:10, 14 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover credit for ''The 7th Annual of the Year's Best S-F'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your updates to {{P|34945|The 7th Annual of the Year's Best S-F}}, but the cover art credit likely needs fixing up. We don't credit designers unless there's no other credit (in which case, we're sort of assuming the designer is the artist). If this cover is essentially a photograph, I think the credit should be solely to the photographer, recording the designer in the notes as you have done. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:59, 6 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Importing contents ==<br />
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I accepted the submission to add contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?353078 this record], but the better approach would have been to import the contents from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45925 this record]. This would have saved someone the trouble of having to merge the records you added to the ones that are already in the database. Before adding contents to a record, you should first check to see if another record has the same contents, or even ''almost'' the same contents, and then use the "Import Contents" function. You can always go back and make changes, or add and delete records, so that it matches your copy of the book. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:30, 25 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== <i>Star Wars: A New Hope</i> ==<br />
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I've approved your edit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32742 this pub], however you'll need to revise the entry for the page count. The Introduction you added to the Contents is on page "v" however at present there is no Roman numeral page count included before the pages. See the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages EditPub] Help page if you need information on how to do this. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 06:55, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:good catch. thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:50, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== BCE of ''The Last Space Ship'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission to create a record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?393348 the book club edition] of this title, but wonder where you got the publication date of 1949. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:54, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Didn't know how else to enter it, other than by setting 'year' field to 1949 (matching the copyright date, which in BCE was switched to Roman numerals, perhaps to confirm that edition's copyright was also 1949), and adding comment to effect I didn't know for sure. Is there a standard for handling situations like this? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:32, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes. <br />
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::#If you can not find a secondary source for the publication date, you can use the copyright year, but only if you're certain that this is the first printing of the first edition. You still should note that the book is not dated and you've had to resort to the copyright date. <br />
::#If you're not certain that the book is the first edition, or you're certain that the book is '''not''' the first edition (as in the case of a book club edition) and you have no secondary source for the publication date, you should enter 0000-00-00 in the publication date field, which will be displayed as "date unknown".<br />
::Please remember that, in most cases, it's not the edition/publication which is copyrighted. It's the work which is copyrighted. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:07, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::I accepted the date change to 0000-00-00. In doing so, I noticed the publisher is recorded as "Frederick Fell" instead of as "Frederick Fell / BCE". While trying to dig up a help reference for that, I found only "/ SFBC" is mentioned for Science Fiction Book Club editions, with no mention of treatment of other book club editions. Guess I will go bring that up and see. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:09, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::As far as I know this was not a selection of Doubleday's Science Fiction Book Club, which was founded in 1953. That doesn't mean they could have reprinted it several years later, but no sources give this title as a SFBC selection. Tuck doesn't give a book club of this title at all. It is the IFSDB ''de facto'' standard to use " / BCE" at the end of a publisher's name if the words "Book Club Edition" appear on the book, and it's uncertain that it was a SFBC selection. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:04, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I added " / BCE" to the publisher on this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:42, 21 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Dating titles ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68196 The City on the Edge of Forever]: The ISFDB records the date of first publication of a work, not its date of writing or the date of its production (if it's a play, teleplay or screenplay). So, I'm rejecting the submission to redate this piece to 1966 based on the author's assertion that it was written in that year. We may need to determine if it was first published in 1976, as that is currently the only publication we have of the work. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:16, 30 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::OK, on that basis 1976 is correct date. Both of the intros, by Elwood and by Ellison, are explicit that this is the teleplay's first publication in this, its original unedited form. Thanks for clarification. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: Seventh Series - Data Check ==<br />
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I was doing a verification of {{P|258503|The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction, Seventh Series}} and I found a few errors that might also be errors for your record copy of {{P|35695|The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction, Seventh Series}}. Could you please check the title of "Lyric for Atom-Splitters', is it with or without a hyphen between Atom and Splitter? Is "Journey's End" listed with or without an Apostrophe?, and Lastly, is 'Full Circle' listed as by Dorothy Cowles Pinkney, or Dorothy C. Pinkney? - I suspect that all three of these are small typos that have coasted through the database for some time. We can probably fix them all at once ... once everyone checks in. Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 03:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I did not update your verified pub, but some of the titles in your pub now have variants added. I recommend you double check your verification when you get a chance - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 21:55, 18 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::I checked these both in the first hardcover, and in the Ace paperback:<br />
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<br> - Both use 'Dorothy Cowles Pinkney'.<br />
<br>If these need to be corrected, could you please do that? I've not made this type of edit before. BTW, note that I deleted the listing for the Arthur Clarke essay 'Message to the Stars'. It is not in either publication. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:00, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Could you please double check on or about page 93. Is section V of Clarke's ''Venture to the Moon'', titled "Who Wrote That Message to the Stars? ...in Letters a Thousand Miles Long?" or is it titled "Watch this Space"? You see the 5 short stories that make up 'Venture to the Moon' were each previously published separately, and in some anthologies are listed as separate pieces, and in other as a single work. Take a look at the record for the book club edition {{P|258503|Best from F&SF Seventh}}. If it has the alternate title, that might be the only place it appears (Since the title record {{T|187572|Who Wrote That Message to the Stars? ...in Letters a Thousand Miles Long?}} is now orphaned and doesn't have any appearances at all). Otherwise if your book does not have that title, we should consider removing the orphan title from the database. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 14:41, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy 2012 ==<br />
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Replaced amazon scan and expanded notes for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383744 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:46, 11 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Caviar'' ==<br />
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I changed the price field in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?302577 this record] from "21s" to "21/-", the ISFDB standard of entering British shillings. If the price had been 21s/6p, it would have been entered as "21/6". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:34, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Yefremov's ''Stories'' ==<br />
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Are you certain that the cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33340 this publication] was also done by the same artist that did the interior art? Is he credited inside the book for its dustjacket (which you say your copy doesn't have)? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:37, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:On ABE there are images of the book with dust jacket. The dust jacket art is identical to the embossed image on the front board. The credit "designed and illustrated by ..." seems clear that G. Petrov is responsible for book design, which includes the artwork on front board and dust jacket. However, let's snap to whatever is ISFDB standard. Feel free to edit as appropriate. Thanks.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::In 99% of books in my collection, the term "Book designed by...", when credited on the book's copyright page, refers to the interior design of the book, not the dustjacket cover art. The ISFDB standard is to record credits as given. If you don't have the dustjacket, you can contact someone who does (perhaps the Abebooks dealers) to ask if they would check to see if the dustjacket art is credited. If you're unable to confirm the artist responsible, the field should remain blank. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:24, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK. Deleted the attribution for cover art. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:12, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Red Peri'' ==<br />
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If your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45971 this publication] is a limited edition, it is better to clone the record and create a new publication record for it, making any changes or additions to it, and then do a primary verification of that new record. If you choose to do this, then cancel the submission to update the record for the trade (not limited) edition. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:55, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, cancelled the edit, and will create new entry.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Third Galaxy Reader ==<br />
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You might want to double check your verified pub {{P|177793|Third Galaxy Reader}}. The work 'End as a World' listed by Floyd. L. Wallace, is listed as by "F. L. Wallace" in my book club edition. Usually these things are from the same printing plates (But sometimes they are not). I'm just recommending a double check. - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 02:48, 21 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Fixed. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:48, 8 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Better Than One", by Damon Knight and Kate Wilhelm ==<br />
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Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4246 verified publication] says that it was published without a dust jacket. This doesn't seem right to me. My copy has a dust jacket, which matches the picture of the book on that page and several other dust jackets on copies offered for sale, hence clearly published with the book. Of course it's possible that the book was published at Noreascon II without a jacket, and then later with a jacket, but that seems inconsistent with other copies available for sale. For example, [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=86398949&searchurl=isbn%3D0960314601 this copy] for sale has a dust jacket, and is not only signed bu the authors, but is inscribed by Knight, hence seems almost certain to have been purchased at the con and not later. [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=201840665&searchurl=isbn%3D0960314601 This copy] for sale on Abebooks has a dust jacket and includes the receipt for the book's purchase at Noreascon. Do you have any idea where the claim came from that it was published without a dust jacket? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 12:29, 9 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: I've deleted the note about it being published without a dust jacket. I added a couple of other minor notes. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 11:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::I think there are two different editions. See the printing history on the [http://www.nesfa.org/press/Books/KnightWilhelm.htm NESFA website]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 11:58, 13 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good edit, well documented. Thanks for catching and fixing. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I found the right person at NESFA who gave me some details about the printing history. In response to my question about the dust jacket vs. the green book alone, Tony Lewis wrote to me: "The book originally had the plain white dust wrapper. Sometimes this was removed when selling at conventions because it was believed this improved sales." I have added this note to the publication. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:34, 5 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::: And in case you're interested, this was in response to the following email question: <br />
::::: "In your web page about this book, you say of the Printing History:<br><br />
::::: "Text cover; No dust jacket or interior artwork. The front cover of the book has the authors' signatures embossed in gold."<br><br />
::::: But most copies of this book have a plain white, text-only, dust jacket. This includes copies which are fairly convincing about being purchased in the original distribution at Noreascon II. Am I incorrectly interpreting your phrase "No dust jacket"? Has the book always had that plain white cover, and that phrase just means there was no "professional, artistic" dust jacket? Or does it really mean that the original edition came with no dust jacket at all? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:41, 5 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Adventures in Time and Space ==<br />
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I added the cover artist to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?245825 Adventures in Time and Space]'' along with a note as to its source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 00:31, 13 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Whispers ==<br />
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Added cover scan and subtitle "An Anthology of Fantasy and Horror" from title page.[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 20:59, 15 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Sturgeon's ''Maturity'' ==<br />
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Is the "Postscript" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21721 this publication] for the entire collection or just for the preceding story? Whichever one it is should be added parenthetically to disambiguate it, e.g. "Postscript (Maturity)". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:03, 30 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== File uploads ==<br />
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Please keep your cover image uploads to no more than 150K in size and no more than 600 pixels at its longest side. Exceptions can be made for wraparound cover art, but otherwise you should stay within the prescribed limits. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:14, 2 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Yarbro's ''Cautionary Tales'' ==<br />
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Are the essays that you've added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6443 this record] entered ''exactly'' as they are titled in the publication (i.e. capitalization and punctuation)? If they are not titled at all, and all just a paragraph or two, it is not necessary to have created content records for them. A note in the pub record would have sufficed. <br />
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Also, you made a subsequent submission that made no changes to the record, only a "Note to Moderator" concerning the untitled poem. You should not make submissions that don't edit a record. In this case, you should have waited until the submission was accepted, and then made the necessary changes to the record. About the title of the poem, you should only title it ''exactly'' as it appears in the collection. If there is no title on the poem itself, but it is titled on the contents page or copyright page, or in the acknowledgements, you can add the title, but note the source of the title in the note field of the poem's title record (and the publication record if you wish.) If there is no title given at all, enter the first line of the poem ''exactly'' as given in the publication. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 08:51, 2 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, each of those essays has a title at top of essay, exactly as I entered them. The poem is untitled on page 207, but Contents page lists "An Indulgence" on page 207, so that must be its title. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:41, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Great. Looks good, although it might be a good idea to note the source of the poem's title so that any future primary verifier doesn't try to remove the title from the record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:24, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Jizzle'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19010 this record], even though you didn't provide a source for your data. I can only assume that you're working from the primary source, since you added the cover arat credit and the page numbers of the contents. If so, please let the moderator know that in the Note to Moderator field, and then do a Primary Verification of the record after the submission is accepted. If you're working from a secondary source, that source should be given in the Note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:14, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, primary verification. I entered a 2nd primary verification for the publication. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:22, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Flow My Tears'' ==<br />
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You made subsequent submissions to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14027 this record]. If I accept the second submission, all the changes you made in the first will be reverted back to the original data. It's important to wait for each submission that updates the same record be moderated. I'm going to go ahead and accept the second, but then I'll have to go back and return the data you added in the first. Please look at the record once I've finished to confirm that everything you wanted to note is there. I don't think it will be necessary to keep the note about the Abebooks.com dealer because you say that the ISBN is stated in the book itself. The number is invalid, even if it stated (it's a publisher error). The only way to get around that error message is to add a "#" before the number that fools the software into thinking it's a catalog number instead of an ISBN. I'll note this in the Note field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:03, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Whoah. Now you've made a third. This is going to take some time to figure out just what to keep and what not. Please stop updating this record until I've sorted it out. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:04, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's ready to be updated if you need to make any more changes. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:16, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:My sincere apologies for having you jump through those hoops. I didn't understand how your view of the editor worked, and I assumed each edit would make incremental updates. I won't make that mistake again. I reviewed the end state, and you got everything perfect. I see you also put "One Plus One Studio" in the "artist" field. I wasn't sure that a "Studio" would be considered an "artist". Thanks for that fix & clarification. And, again, thanks for sorting out the multiple edits. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:58, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: "Studio" or "Company" as Cover Artist is one of those things we've not settled. I'm frankly against putting a company in there - after all, filling the field with a new name leads to problems like the new "author" suddenly needing birthdate and birthplace etc. I've not complained too much about this before though, although I recall publications like some of Robert Rankin's - e.g {{P|112471|The Dance of the Voodoo Handbag}} where the author is actually the creator of an item that gets professionally photographed by someone else... we'll get round to sorting out the code in a year or two I'm sure. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 05:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Image file upload standards ==<br />
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I've noticed the last few cover images that you've uploaded are at 640 pixels. We ask that image files not exceed the height of 600 pixels (see the standards [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload here]). Please set your scanner and/or image software to this limit. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:19, 25 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Replacing image files ==<br />
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You seem to have had some trouble uploading a replacement file for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THDNGRTHMM1976.jpg this image]. Whenever you replace a file, you must clear your browser's cache, otherwise the original image is seen regardless of how many times you go to the publication record or the wiki page. Just hit your "F5" button (in most browsers) after you've replaced an image and you'll see the new image. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:40, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Doh! :) Thanks for explanation of what was happening. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:29, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Herbert's ''Direct Descent'' ==<br />
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I've accepted the submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10218 this record] and agree with your assessment that this should have been typed as a CHAPTERBOOK instead of novel. I've made the appropriate changes in this and all other publication records. A question: is Garcia explicitly credited with the cover art in your edition? My mmpb edition doesn't credit the cover art. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:12, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:There is no visible signature on the cover or any interior illustrations, and on the copyright page it says, "Illustrations copyright (c) 1980 by Garcia". Just an opinion, but it appears to me the color cover art is stylistically similar to the black-and-white interior illustrations. However, I'd appreciate if you edit the record to align with ISFDB standards in this situation. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:36, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::The copyright page statement is rather clear about the illustrations, but without an explicit credit for the cover art, it would be best to leave the field blank. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10216 UK edition] of this title retained the interior illustrations but had different cover art, which was explicitly credited. I'll remove the cover credit from this record until a time when a credible secondary source supplies further data. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== File exceeding limits ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THWNDRFLVS1895.jpg This file] exceeded the limits in both dimensions (800 pixels) and size (196 kb), so I reduced it to be within the ISFDB standards (no more than 600 pixels, and no larger than 150 kb). [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 08:21, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Conklin's Science Fiction Terror Tales ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes to Conklin's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29182 Science Fiction Terror Tales]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:23, 6 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Dreams That Burn in the Night", by Craig Strete ==<br />
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I corrected the spelling of two stories in the ToC of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11454 verified publication]: ''The Night Xenex Sanurian Took a Wallflower to the Prom'' had "Sanvrian" instead of "Sanurian", and ''We All Lived in the Warm Aquarium'' had "Live" instead of "Lived". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:25, 7 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:40, 10 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ESSAY vs NONFICTION ==<br />
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A short piece of nonfiction which is contained in a larger publication should be entered as ESSAY. The type NONFICTION is reserved for book-length works. I've changed several introductions (e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?81624 this one]) which you've entered as NONFICTION to ESSAY. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:21, 8 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for the tip, and for fixing those into listings. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:42, 10 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Notification request ==<br />
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Please don't post any messages on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs this page] without reading the notice. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:10, 11 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== A Treasury of Science Fiction - Conklin ==<br />
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Can you check your copy of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1319? Mine has a cover price of $3.00 on the dustjacket and you list $3.50. Variant, perhaps?[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 05:24, 23 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Was a typo. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:26, 31 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::The original price probably came from Tuck. I added a note about the difference. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:06, 31 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Best Science Fiction and Fantasy of the Year: Volume Seven ==<br />
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Hello, I've replaced the amazon scan and changed Paul J. McAuley to Paul McAuley for his story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?407932 this pub]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Good-Bye, Robinson Crusoe and Other Stories ==<br />
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I added notes about the publication date and story introductions to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410315 Good-Bye, Robinson Crusoe]. Also changed the publication date from 2013-04-30 (can't be true) to 2013-04-00. Hope you can agree. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 09:28, 19 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::All good edits. I didn't check the pre-existing information carefully enough when verifying & updating. Appreciate the catches. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:18, 20 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Forward" or "Foreword" ==<br />
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Please confirm the spelling of the title on pag 7 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15737 this publication]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:27, 15 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it's "Forward". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:25, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I will make a note of its unusual spelling so that other editors won't have to ask the question again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Interior artwork ==<br />
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Interior artwork should be titled the same as the work they illustrate. Do not use the term "interior artwork" in the title as that is explicit in the type of the record. Please correct the titles of the mistitled interior artwork credited to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?166485 John Polgreen] in the Willy Ley books. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:33, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Editors v. authors ==<br />
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By ISFDB standards, the editors of NONFICTION- and ANTHOLOGY-typed publications are considered the "author" of the work, unlike the editors of NOVEL- and COLLECTION-typed publications who can only be credited in the Note field. That was how the software was designed (long before most of us started working here). I suppose it was simpler to create a single field to record the credit for the one(s) who were most responsible for the work, without creating multiple fields to record individual roles for each publication. Maybe one day the software will be updated to create more fields with more finely defined roles of responsibility: editor (for novels and collections), translator, adaptor, etc. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Visitor from Outer Space'' ==<br />
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I changed the editor field credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192849 this record] from "Anonymous" to "uncredited", the ISFDB standard for an anthology which doesn't credit the editor of the work. It now matches the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?593549 title record]. If this was incorrect, and the editor is actually credited as "Anonymous" on the book's title page, please make a submission to change it back. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:21, 12 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Strange Signposts'' ==<br />
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I've changed the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33537 this record] to conform to standard ISFDB entry of the LCCN and OCLC record numbers. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:55, 17 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Art of George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice & Fire'' ==<br />
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Re: your note. You may add the interior art that you like to add. There's really no need to add all of them. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:13, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Unfettered'' ==<br />
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If you wish to remove content titles from a publication record, go to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?400295 the record] and click on the link "Remove Titles From This Pub" under the Editing Tools menu. On the next page, you have the option of removing any of the contents by checking its box. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:57, 6 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Done. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:18, 8 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Catastrophic Disruption of the Head" variant ==<br />
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Hi. I have your submission that would make {{T|1620354|this}} a variant of {{T|1403006|this}} on hold. I freely admit I could be looking right at it, but why a variant instead of merging them? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:54, 20 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::You're right, should have merged. Just took care of that. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:34, 20 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Beyond Tomorrow'' ==<br />
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Please move your primary verification to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?425111 this record]. I cloned it from the record which you had updated, which should have remained as the first printing of the title. (There's a record for the library edition at a different price). When you've PV'd the new record, remove it from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4428 the original record] to which I've restored the original data. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:55, 5 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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BTW, I noticed that the essay "More Good Reading in Science Fiction" is on page 333, while the OCLC record, the LCCN, and Reginald all give the page count as 332. Is that last page numbered? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:00, 5 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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OK, I see that the [http://lccn.loc.gov/65020251 LCCN] gives a "Bibliography" on page "[333]" which means it is unnumbered. The way to enter this situation in a record is to give the page count as "xv+333+[1]" and then give the content page number in brackets: "[333]". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:03, 5 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Interesting. Good to know. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:15, 6 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Worlds of Wonder ==<br />
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I added some notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55452 Worlds of Wonder]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:11, 8 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Great addition. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:26, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Toymaker ==<br />
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I added some words to the notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48774 The Toymaker]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:47, 12 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I've added Currey's description of first printings, plus description of another jacket variant I've got that wasn't in Chalker's list. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:11, 17 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange Worlds ==<br />
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I added some notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33570 Strange Worlds]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:12, 13 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Toymaker ==<br />
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Yes, there should be separate records for different editions of [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48774 this]] --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 17:29, 18 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover image for ''The Immortal Storm'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THMMRTLSTR1954.jpg This file] at 172 kb was over the requested limit of 150 kb. So I re-sized it to meet the standard. Please keep this size limit in mind when uploading cover image files in the future. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:11, 8 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Editor's Choice in Science Fliction'' ==<br />
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I'm holding the submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11964 this record]. We ordinarily do not create individual content records for an editor's untitled story introductions. (Imagine the thousands that have been published over the years and the ISFDB records that would have to updated if such a practice became standard.) It's usually sufficient to note the presence of such introductions in the record's Note field. Is there anything about the ones in this book which would make them extraordinary?<br />
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Also, we do not add information to Note fields which is specific to one copy of a publication, including a personal inscription. If it adds value to the record, it can be added to a Bibliographic Comments page (there's a link on each pub record that creates such a page.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:32, 8 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, I see now these pieces are NOT written by the anthology's editor but by the editor who originally purchased the story. Now I can see the value in that. I'll accept the submission, but remove the redundant "untitled" part. The parentheses already indicates that there is no title. (I'll remove the note about the inscription and leave it to you if you wish to create a comments page.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:46, 8 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, that's why I typed them all in. Glad you kept them. :) Thanks for response on the inscription. Policy makes sense. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:55, 9 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''"What Will They Think of Last"'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401840 this record], before I realized that you've credited the contents to "H. L. Gold", while the book is credited to Horace L. Gold. How is the author credited on the book's title page? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:18, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Book credit is Horace L. Gold. It's my understanding that, if I had credited all the essays to that name, then there'd be dozens of records to setup as alternate versions for the same title by H. L. Gold. That seemed like a lot of unnecessary work and a lot of unnecessary records in the database. So I figured I'd just credit them to match the existing records for all those essays. The book credit is clear, so it seemed totally unambiguous to do it that way. That said ... I'll leave it to you to decide whether to change all those authors to Horace L. Gold. Your call. Sorry about making extra work if that's what you decide. If you do that and want me to setup all the alternate listing connections to the exiting essay records, then just say so. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:56, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::It's not my call. It's an ISFDB standard to record work as credited, regardless of how much effort there may be in creating variants. I'll do it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:03, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK, I'll edit the story records. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:20, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Wow, you already did it! I hope it wasn't as much work as I thought it would be. Thanks for taking care of that, and thanks for explaining the ISFDB standard for this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:23, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Actually, I'm only about half finished. The variants have to be made and I'm still working on those. Unlike the single submission to change the author credit of each content record in the essay collection, now each of them has to be individually varianted to the original title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:29, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Something just occurred to me: since you made the author credit conform, is it possible you also made the titles conform? It's odd that each of them were exactly as the title already in the database. Even one that was titled "Editor's Page: To the Hills!", the original one of which had the column name in the title. If the titles in the collection (as they appeared on the essay's title page, not on the book's table of contents), please make corrections. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:36, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Yes, I did add "Editor's Page:" to "To the Hills!" to match, but I see you fixed that. All of the others were titled exactly as the ISFDB records, including punctuation, with the exception of "QWERTYUIOP". The ISFDB record for that is spelled with a "U" instead of "W", which I suspect is a typo but I don't have that copy of Galaxy to confirm. This has been (yet another) good learning experience. Really appreciate your attention to detail. I'll emulate in future. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::You could have posted a message on the primary verifier's talk page asking about the spelling of that piece in the magazine. I'll do that for you. Two more questions: Is "The Riches of Embarrassment" fiction or essay? There's a record in the database of a piece published in Galaxy, April 1968 with the same title verified as fiction. Also, there were two editorials with the title "Of All Things", in the issues for June 1953 and December 1959. Does the essay collection give the dates of the original essays publications so that you can confirm that the piece here is the 1953 piece? (I've already varianted it to the 1953 piece, because that's the date you gave the reprint.) Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:59, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I know you'll be glad when we're done with this entry. :) "Riches of Embarrassment" is an essay. The essays do not have individual credits, just a credit on copyright page "Copyright 1950 through 1961". However, the essay mentions a March 1958 magazine, so it must be the December 1959 version. I've edited the book listing. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:26, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::I'll need to correct the variant then. I'll ask the verifier of the April 1968 to check on "Riches..." to determine if it's the same as this essay. Can you give me the first sentence of the piece? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::It's likely they're the same, and I can see why another reader might validly consider it fiction. First sentence is, "The Costellos, two great little people well under five feet tall, had moved out of the one-bedroom apartment to the left of mine, and my neighbors and I wondered apprehensively who would move in." It's in Gold's first-person voice, and it tells an amusing mundane story about an easily offended neighbor. However, it does have a snarky SFnal denouement: "In ten years of ceaseless research, I have never found any discussion, much less theory, concerning the power that Miss McGivney clearly possessed. This can therefore be counted a First. Here it is: Using a previously unknown and unsuspected ESP faculty of the mind, Miss McGivney unconsciously manufactured embarrassing incidents." After that is a paragraph using this conceit to lampoon the neighbor, ending with "Poor world of Miss McGivney!" So, now that you know the contents, I'm curious: in ISFDB is this considered an essay or short fiction? (And at this point it won't surprise me if there actually is an official standard. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:08, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Orbit 19'' ==<br />
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You'll have to also change the dates of each of the content records in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25113 this publication]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:26, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::done [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:42, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== LCCN ==<br />
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When entering the stated Library of Congress Catalog Card, Library of Congress Catalog Number, or Library of Congress Control Number (its latest incarnation), it should be entered in the format "LCCN: xxxxxx" This will help if or when the time comes when the LCCN gets its own field, and the universal change can be made instead of having to update each publication record. I've corrected the format in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26450 this record], and linked it to the LoC's website record. Linking isn't required but very beneficial. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:27, 28 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Battle on Mercury'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?429943 this publication]: Is the piece "Life in a Dome" a nonfiction essay, or is it a fictional introduction to the story, making it part of the novel, and thus not eligible as a separate work? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:10, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::It's a nonfiction essay. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:04, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In the Wake of Man'' ==<br />
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If there is no explicit editor credit for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18137 this publication], the publication record should reflect that. If there is sufficient and strong evidence that Elwood was the anonymous editor, we can make the title into a variant credited to him. This is the ISFDB standard for crediting uncredited responsibility. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:13, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Only mention of Elwood in the book is on copyright page as copyright holder, and there is no editor credit. Seems those 2 facts would justify making it a variant so that users researching Elwood could link to this book. But it's your call. Feel free to edit, or just let me know what to do. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:20, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking the secondary sources. Nice edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:31, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've removed the editor credit from the publication record, added a note that Elwood holds the copyright, and made the editor record into a variant by Elwood. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:59, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet Earth ==<br />
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Is Wyler's <i>Planet Earth</i> speculative fiction related? It sounds like a science book, not speculative fiction related non-fiction. If so, it doesn't qualify for inclusion. Her one included non-genre non-fiction book is included as it was reviewed in a speculative fiction magazine. That doesn't seem to be the case here. Am I missing something? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:20, 20 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::OK, I wasn't clear on the boundary. Was just adding a similar pub to a listed author's record. The book has early 'space age' context and a 10-page section discussing satellites and what it would be like to travel to the moon, but it is not otherwise related to speculative fiction. Sorry to bother you with it. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:19, 20 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::No problem. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:39, 20 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Foundation'' ==<br />
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The notes you want to add to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?215633 this record] seem to apply to a later printing. If so, a new record should be created. You didn't source the change so I'm not certain if you're working from the actual edition that this record is for, or a later printing. If you think a new record should be created, cancel the submission I have on hold. Thanks. 21:58, 27 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I've got the July 1978 printing that I referenced, and I've seen other printings of the 1963 Doubleday reprint edition, both in bookshops and online. They've all got the Zimmerman jacket, and later printings have the same ISBN. Thought it made sense to add that info to the root record for first edition of the 1963 printing, then clone it to produce separate listing for my 1978 printing. But it's your call. If my edits to the 1963 record are inappropriate then please decline the edit. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:03, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::There's no such thing as a "root" publication record. Each publication record is distinct and is tied to a title record which could be considered the "root". There is no purpose in providing data in a publication record about a later printing for which you'll be creating a publication record. The record for that later printing will speak for itself. Notes should be specific to the printing for which the record was created. I'll reject the submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:06, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK. I'll add record for my July 1978 printing. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:18, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Analog 1 ==<br />
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The OCLC record you note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2535 this record] does not give 1961 as the copyright year, but the year of publication. (Also, don't forget to add a colon after "OCLC" and before the record number.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:10, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I inherited that OCLC statement from whoever setup the record, and just added the word "incorrectly" since I was verifying the publication date. I'll edit to fix per your direction. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I accepted the submission, but reverted it to show the incorrect dating of the OCLC record. If you're going to give a secondary source in the Note field, you should note any exceptions between that source and the actual book. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:15, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Analog 5'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2539 This publication] is not in a publication series. Its [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1017310 title] is in a title series. You'll have to remove the publication series from the record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:48, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::done. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:58, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Analog 6'' ==<br />
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Can you see if there is a book club id number on the back flap of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2540 this publication]'s dustjacket? It should be a four-digit number either in the high 1900s or low 2000s. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, it was there. Edited record. Thanks for catching this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:59, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Atlas Printing of From Unknown Worlds ==<br />
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I've added the price for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?292561 From Unknown Worlds]''. I've also removed the note about the price clipped jacket. Happily my copy was not clipped so I was able to provide the data. I've additionally corrected the page count (it was 128) and added an item for the interior artwork. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:37, 31 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Very much appreciated. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:24, 3 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Delany & Chaykin's ''Empire'' ==<br />
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I changed the type of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?382643 this record] from NOVEL to CHAPTERBOOK and added a content record for Delany's fiction. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:22, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Copyright date vs. Publication date ==<br />
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The ISFDB publication record provides the date of publication, not the year of copyright. If there is no '''stated''' publication date, only use the year of copyright after all secondary sources have been exhausted. If you do so, note that the date is from the copyright statement, because of the lack of a publication statement. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:52, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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The source for the 1958 date of ''Teen-Age Super Science Stories'' was probably [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t38.htm#A828 Locus1]. Tuck and the LCCN give the year as 1957, so I've accepted the submissions. I'll update the record to note the source of the date. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:57, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I will have to reject your submission to clone the original pub, because it was submitted before the ones changing the date of the contents were accepted. If I accept the clone submission, all of the stories' dates will revert to 1958. Keep this in mind when making simultaneous submissions that contain changes in content records. Also, are you certain that the Grosset & Dunlap edition came out the same year as the Lantern Press edition? According to Tuck, the discounted edition was published in 1958, although he doesn't credit Grosset as the publisher. As I said above, if your book doesn't have an explicit statement of publication, you must use a reliable secondary source. If there is no source, and knowing this was published by another publisher in the year of copyright, it is better to just zero out the date to have it displayed as "unknown". Grosset & Dunlap books, to the best of my knowledge, rarely gave a publication date, as they reprinted "cheap" editions of titles. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:08, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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To avoid your having to rebuild another submission, I'll do that from the data you provided in the rejected clone submission. Here is the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?433460 new record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:10, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for corrections and explanations. Every edit is a learning opportunity. :) FWIW, I don't have a copy of Tuck, so went with the 1957 copyright date. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:28, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::You can update the record's date and give Tuck as the source. Or zero it out, based on the fact that it was published in the same year by another publisher. If you need to look up anything in Tuck, leave a message on my talk page. No problem. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:26, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Publication dates from various sources ==<br />
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If a book provides a publication date, then unless we believe there's a printing error of some sort or that the book is reprinting an earlier edition's statement of printing, what we see printed in the book trumps what other sources say. So I think for {{P|25124|Orbit 8}}, December from the dust jacket's 7012 should be used instead of Contento's October. The only question would be whether yours could be a later printing. I will see if the other moderators have an opinion about changing the date (which then would also affect the dates on the stories). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:43, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Two firm opinions agreeing with me, so I will change the date to December (your notes already cover the situation nicely). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:14, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Paul Lehr / ''Orbit 9'' ==<br />
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I accepted your changes to {{P|25125|Orbit 9}}, but I restored the Paul Lehr cover art credit based on the notes from the 1971 Berkley Medallion edition that has the same cover artwork. There someone found confirmation of the artist in Jane Frank's ''Science Fiction and Fantasy Artists of the Twentieth Century''. I copied that note into the notes in this edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:56, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I really didn't want to delete the Lehr reference because it's obviously his artwork. I'm delighted that you could document the attribution. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:02, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Red Mars'' excerpt ==<br />
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Is the excerpt titled "Festival Night (excerpt from Red Mars)" on page 47 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23493 this publication]? Or is it simply "Festival Night"? If this is the first publication of this excerpt under this title, it should have the date of the publication in which it was first published (April 1995), not the date of the work from which it was excerpted. Although this may not be specifically documented in the help pages, it is my belief that the fact that it is a new title that it deserves to be dated when first published as this title. If the excerpt had the same title of the work, then there would be a stronger case for dating them the same. If you disagree, please start a discussion on the Rules & Standards discussion page. Also, I rejected the submission to change the publication record. If you change a title record, it is automatically changed in the publication record, so there's no need to do two submissions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:18, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:As always, thanks for the coaching on ISFDB standards. In Nebula Awards 29, the title page, and the story title on page 47, says "Festival Night from Red Mars". The copyright acknowledgment is, "'Festival Night,' an excerpt from the novel 'Red Mars' ...." It appears whoever entered the ISFDB record for trade paper of Nebula Awards 29 added the parentheses around "from Red Mars". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:34, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::If the "from Red Mars" part is in a different size font and/or on a different line it's considered a subtitle and should be entered as "Festival Night: from Red Mars". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:52, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::"from" is in different font and "Red Mars" is same font as "Festival Night" except italicized. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:10, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Nebula Awards 29'' ==<br />
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Sorry I had to reject your submission which updated [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23494 this record] because it would have taken too much work to merge all of the newly created content records with the ones that are already in the database. (I'm also sorry for the time you took in entering all of those contents unnecessarily.) The best way to handle such a situation is to remove all titles from the record, and then import the contents from the record which contains as close as possible to the contents in the one you're working on. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23493 This one] for example. I'll do that for you and then let you make any changes to match your publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:47, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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BTW, according to the OCLC record, this book has xii+307 pages, and also published under the Harvest imprint. If so, the publisher should be given as "Harvest / Harcourt Brace". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:50, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Same situation with the imprint used for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23495 Nebula Awards 30]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:53, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I'm holding a submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23498 Nebula Awards 32], another one in which again you're adding content for records already in the database (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23499 this record]). Please let me know if you understand the import procedure which I'm talking about. I can walk you through the process if necessary. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:05, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::You say "content ... already in the database", but the titles I added were not (still are not) in the hardcover listing I was editing. Since there were just a few titles missing, I thought it faster to add them rather than delete all & import all. For titles I added, I tried to enter exactly as in the trade paper listing by doing cut-and-paste from the Title data. (If you spotted any variance from the canonical Title data, then those would be typos I need to correct.) I've never used the "Import Content" tool, but sure I can figure it out. Let me know if there's a reason to use it versus the process I followed. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:29, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::They may not be in the publication record, but the titles you are adding '''are''' already in the database: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1056010 Keeping Up] by Elizabeth Hand; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1056011 Must Have Been Something I Ate] by Lucius Shepard; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1056012 Interactive Science Fiction: 1996] by Keith Ferrell; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1056013 The British Scene (Nebula Awards 32)] by Ian Watson, etc. etc. By adding another identical title record to the database, you have to make another submission to merge them. Doing the importing of these titles to another publication record, you can avoid the follow-up submissions. And each merge requires a separate submission. That means you'll have to make nine more submissions to "fix" this record, when importing them would have taken only two submissions: remove and import. If there were only a couple of duplicate titles, it would be easier to use the new "Import Titles" function, where you can list the title record numbers of each of the titles to be duplicated. But when there are as many as nine records to import, I think the procedure I've explained would be better. Regardless, I'm going to accept the submission, and then ask you to merge the records. This may help you see why the method I explain is the better choice. I'm not saying you CAN'T add duplicate titles. I'm just trying to explain an easier way to do it. Personally, I'd rather not have to deal with accepting multiple submissions when only one or two would have done the same thing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:57, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::NOW I get it. :) Thanks for your patience. I've merged all the new records I created. I really appreciate the coaching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:26, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I did the "delete all" & "import contents" process for http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23508. I'll complete editing the record once those edits are accepted ... or you let me know if I did something wrong. Thanks for your patience. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:09, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Very good. Thank you. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:57, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Amidst all of the others, perhaps you overlooked my question about the page count and the imprint. I see you've removed Harvest as the imprint used on these Nebula Award anthologies, while most of the OCLC records indicate them as "A Harvest Original". Can you re-check to see that this is not the case in your copies? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:17, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::"Harvest" is an imprint Harcourt uses for paperback and trade paper editions. I've got 4 Harcourt trade paper Nebula Awards books. Numbers 20 & 22 say "A Harvest/HBJ Book" on the back, and "Harcourt Brace Jovanovich" on back, title page & copyright page. Numbers 31 & 33 say "A Harvest Original" on back and title page, and "Harcourt Brace & Company" on back, title page, and copyright page. In ISFDB, for 20 & 22 I entered "Harcourt Brace Jovanovich", following the examples of trade paper editions of Nebula 20-26 (excepting un-verified 23, which uses "Harvest/HBJ".) For 31, I entered "Harvest/Harcourt Brace" following the examples of Nebula 32-33. (BTW, I believe the hardcover Nebula 33 probably has incorrect publisher, since I've never seen "Harvest" used on a hardcover Harcourt book.) FWIW, I checked all the Publisher listings in ISFDB for "Harvest", but didn't see any consistent pattern in how the 5 Harvest/Harcourt variants are used. Given this info (and apologies if it's TMI), I'll be glad to edit my verified books any way you think appropriate. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:28, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::The rule of thumb is to use the publisher as stated on the title page. In the case of some publishers who publish simultaneous hardcover and trade paperback editions (like Harcourt's Nebula volumes), the trade paperback may have a different imprint. If that's the case, then use the ISFDB standard of "Imprint / Publisher". I see there are currently three different variants of the Harvest imprint in the database: published by HBJ (1977 - 1992), Harvest / Harcourt Brace (1993 - 2000), and Harcourt (1999-2008). If any of your verified pubs are trade paperbacks, please check to see if any fall within this range and use the appropriate imprint. If they are hardcovers, use the publisher as stated on the title page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Foreword to ''Brave New World'' ==<br />
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Hi, I have found a possible hint that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363765 your edition] may actually be from 1949. In my edition Huxley's Foreword has the signum '1949 A. H.' at its end. Could you please take a look if that is the case here? Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:37, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Interesting. Mine has no signum at end of Foreword. It's possible you've got a 1949 edition with updated Foreword. Here are some 'points' on my copy:<br />
::- On front jacket "a new edition of a famous novel with a special introduction by the author"<br />
::- From blurb on back flap of dust jacket: "... in his foreword written especially for this edition ....", "He notes that fifteen years ago ....", "... the foreshadowed possibilities of fifteen years ago ...."<br />
::- Ad on back of dust jacket for Huxley's book 'Ape and Essence' begins, "Sixteen years ago Aldous Huxley's Brave New World was a literary bomb ...."<br />
::- Opening sentence of Foreword: "Chronic remorse , as all the moralists are agreed, is a most undesirable sentiment."<br />
::- Beginning of last paragraph of Foreword on page xix: "All things considered it looks as though Utopia were far closer to us than anyone, only fifteen years ago, could have imagined."<br />
::- Closing sentence of Foreword: "You pays your money and you takes your choice."<br />
:If your copy differs from any of these points, or from any of the other info about mine in the ISFDB record, then you should enter as a new edition. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:55, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, my edition isn't from that early at all, but the notion "Sixteen years ago Aldous Huxley's Brave New World was a literary bomb ...." does indeed speak for a later publication than 1946, since the novel was first published in 1932, doesn't it? Also, ''Ape and Essence'' was published only in 1948, which is also a clear hint for later publication (they wouldn't place an ad two years in advance). The copyright really is only the year the copyright was assigned and has nothing to do with the year of publication per se. In this light (taking the notion of 1949 for the Foreword into consideration) a publication year of 1949 seems all to reasonable, I think (still pretty early!). And I do believe that this is the first edition featuring the specially written Foreword. Shall I adapt the publication (and the title record for the Foreword)? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:06, 2 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Good points. I hadn't checked publication date of 'Ape and Essence'. So I agree my book was likely published in 1948 or later. But how do we explain the fact it does not have a signum on the Foreword like yours? Does your book have all the points I listed? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:50, 3 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Well, at some point later in time it must have been a possible need (for Huxley or the publisher) to mark that this Foreword wasn't part of the original publication in 1932. So this signum was added to emphasize it was written and/or published in 1949. I'll try to capture our state of knowledge in the publication's notes. Please take a look if it is to your liking. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Good edits. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:59, 4 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Analog 2'' ==<br />
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Can you check to see if there is a gutter code present in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2536 this edition]? It should be visible in the gutter of the last page of text or one of the preceding pages. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:54, 27 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:No gutter code in my copy. However, it has been re-bound by a library, omitting any pages which might have followed page 275 and its blank reverse, so it's possible there's a gutter code on an un-numbered page after 275. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:56, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Darn! Guess it didn't hurt to ask. Thanks anyway. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:37, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Atomic Story'' ==<br />
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In contrast with the cover credit, is the author credited as a "Jr." on the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274217 this book]? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:18, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. No "Jr" on title page, either. It appears only once, in first use of Campbell's name on back of dust jacket. All other appearances of his name are sans "Jr". FWIW, the bio info on jacket downplays SF editing and refers to him as a "science writer", so omission of "Jr" appears intentional. Any recommended editing sequence to correcting the title record and the book record, and connecting them back to the canonical Campbell record? (Or, is this something you might do quicker than me? :) ) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:01, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::It is a multi-submission process, so it would be quicker if I did it. If you ever want to try your hand at it, here are the steps:<br />
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::*If there were more than one publication attached to the title record, or if it were a container type record (ANTHOLOGY, COLLECTION, OMNIBUS), you'd have to make another submission to "Unmerge" this publication record from its title record. <br />
::*Once the first submission has been moderated, you go to its title record and create a variant title record using the "Make This Title A Variant Title" function, replacing the credited author's name with canonical author's name in the Author1 Field at the bottom of the variant screen. Submit.<br />
::[[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:46, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the Canadian price to your verified ==<br />
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I added the Canadian price to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410432].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:13, 23 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Strange Ports of Call'' ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to change the Price field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33526 this record]. Shouldn't the stated price be given and then the stickered price be noted? (That's ordinarily the ISFDB standard.) In any event, it should be discussed with the other primary verifier '''before''' making a submission to change it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:46, 26 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I see you left a message [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs here], but if you will read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace the verifier's notification preference] you'll see that page is to notify him if you've "added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES..." Any other changes to data fields should be posted on his talk page, and, as I said above, before submitting a change. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:50, 26 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Posted note to http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace. I'm not clear on your comment that the $4.00 price printed on the jacket should be "given" and the $3.75 price which is often found stamped on the jacket should be "noted". Thought that's what I did. Can you please clarify ... or, if easier, just fix my edit? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:29, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::By "given" I meant entered into the ISFDB record's Price field. By "noted" I meant that it should be entered into the ISFDB record's Note field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:14, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::The only thing that gives me pause about the edit is that Tuck lists the price as $3.75. Unfortunately, neither Currey nor Contento mention the price at all. My copy is clipped with the stamped price, as you describe. Because of the Tuck listing I could speculate that the intent was to sell the book at $3.75 with the %4.00 price being a misprint. However, that's purely speculation. I don't really have a problem with the edit, but we should probably expand the note stating the price in Tuck. After Michael approves the edit, I can further expand the notes and mention that my copy has the altered price. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:41, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'll accept the submission, but believe that the stated price should be the entered into the Price field. But it's not my record. I'll let you two decide, but make sure the notes make everything clear. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:16, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Just submitted an edit to Notes with reference to Tuck. Agree it's not clear which price to put in price field. However, even if the $4.00 price was a mistake, that's what P&C printed on the jacket, and there are instances of the book with un-clipped jackets, so it seems clear the $3.75 price followed the $4.00 price. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:17, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I remembered a few more places to research this, but unfortunately it muddies things a bit more. Derleth's own [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1358178 bibliography] lists this book with the $3.75 price. The review in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281181 Spring 1948] issue of ''The Arkham Sampler'' has the #4.00 price, whereas the review in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60718 November 1948] issue of ''Startling Stories'' has the $3.75 price. I have one other of the reviews (from ''Amazing'') but it doesn't have the price. I'm going to expand the notes. I don't have a problem with the $4.00 price in the metadata field. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:15, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Design ==<br />
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I've never seen dustjacket art credited in the interior of the book as "Design by..." as you've noted in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35919 this record]. It always means the book design, not the dustjacket design. Is there cover art credit on the dustjacket itself? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:22, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I have the same concerne with the cover art credit you've given in all of the last set of submissions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:25, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Reason I was submitting these edits are (1) I'd previously submitted 3 edits with art by Sidney Solomon noting "Design by Sidney Solomon", and they had been accepted; and (2) I noted that the art on all these jackets designed by Sidney Solomon are clearly by the same artist when you look at them side-by-side. However, if the ISFDB standard is "designed by ..." may not be used as art credit, then I'll go back and edit all of these to leave the artist blank. Your call. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:36, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::I've deleted all art credits I'd submitted based on "Designed by". I apologize for making you do all this extra work. Note that the only "Sidney Solomon" art credit left is http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42862, which is not my edit or verification. FWIW, I do have a copy of that book, and its only credit for Sidney Solomon is "Designed by". FWIW, that's why I originally entered a Sidney Solomon art credit for my BCE. In any case, thanks for the guidance on this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:01, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'll accept the submissions to remove the credit and ask the verifier of the last credit about his reasoning for giving Solomon cover art credit. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:28, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::I see that you didn't move the credit to the Note field to acknowledge the book's design credit. It's not required, but it might be a good idea in this case to avoid any future conflict in credit. Your call. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:30, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Saliva Tree and Other Strange Growths ==<br />
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Does the word <i>Strange</i> appear on the title page of [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46442 this]] edition? A [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Bluesman#The_Saliva_Tree_by_Aldiss discussion]] about the Sphere editions shows it's there on a false title page but not the real title page [in the paperbacks]. Thanks for checking. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 04:53, 28 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes. The full subtitle "and other strange growths" is not on the half-title page, but it IS on the title page, and the jacket front, and the jacket flap. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:45, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover Image for "Away from the Here and Now", by Clare Winger Harris ==<br />
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The cover image for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3412 Away from the Here and Now] is (was) an impressive 1367 X 1534 pixels large. The ISFDB standards limit cover images to be at most 600 pixels in either direction, so I have scaled the picture (presumably from you) to the standard size and replaced the previous image. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:31, 7 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I posted a handful of uncompressed images in my early days on ISFDB, but don't have records to find and fix. Appreciate you fixing this one. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:45, 7 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: If you wanted to check, on the main "isfdb.org" page, menu bar on the left, the last item under the first section ("Logged in as") is "My Primary Verifications". If you go to that page, it will show you all of the verifications you've done. The list is deliberately in chronological order, oldest first, because many of us have wanted to go back at look at those early attempts and re-consider whether we did them right. It's a bit of work, but I know in my own case that doing that helped me clean up a bunch of mistakes I made that the moderators didn't catch. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:55, 7 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Hunting of the Snark" ==<br />
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Hi. I believe your proposed 1876 MacMillan hardcover duplicates {{P|356426|this entry}}. I have the submission on hold. See what you think. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:29, 10 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Thanks. Hadn't seen it in the chapbooks section. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:01, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Glass Future" ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1674116 this record]: we now have a dedicated field in the title record which creates a direct link from the ISFDB record when you give the full URL of the webpage. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:21, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Derleth's Beachheads in Space ==<br />
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Several of the stories in Derleth's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3779 Beachheads in Space]'' are listed with the incorrect title or form of the author's name. I am changing the following:<br />
*"The Star" that we have by "David H. Keller, M.D." should be by David H. Keller<br />
*"Beachhead" that we have by "Clifford D. Simak" should be by Clifford Simak<br />
*"Meteor" that we have by "John Beynon" should be by John Beynon Harris<br />
*"And the Walls Came Tumbling Down" should have an ellipsis at the end of the title.<br />
*"The Ambassadors from Venus" that we have by "Kendall Foster Crossen" should be by Kendell Foster Crossen, though the misspelling exists in the table of contents. The name is correct on the title page.<br />
*"To People a New World" that we have by "Nelson S. Bond" should be by Nelson Bond<br />
I'll go ahead an make the changes. Let me know if you disagree or have any questions about any of them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 05:44, 24 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:08, 24 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Away From the Here and Now", by Clare Winger Harris ==<br />
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I added a couple of notes to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3412 verified book], and corrected the name of one story from "Menace from Mars" to "Menace of Mars". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:21, 14 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Good additions. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Marooned on Mars ==<br />
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Hi, Could you please check whether your verified copy of {{P|181641|Marooned on Mars}} is indeed #5 in the Winston Science Fiction series, as is suggested on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Science_Fiction Wikipedia] and given on [http://www.librarything.com/work/791918 LibraryThing]?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:29, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:it is likely #5 since there are 4 other Winston titles listed on back: Son of the Stars, Five Against Venus, Find the Feathered Serpent, and Earthbound. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:26, 18 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Rocket Jockey ==<br />
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Hi, same kind of request, now for {{P|28402|Rocket Jockey}} by 'Philip St. John', aka Lester del Rey. It would be #7 of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Series:Winston_Science_Fiction Winston Scence Fiction Series], according to [http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/Winston+Science+Fiction LibraryThing].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:28, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:It's definitely one of the first 10 since published in 1952, but all 10 of the 1952 Winston's are listed on back of jacket, so no evidence that it's #7. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:27, 18 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Conditionally Human'': novelette and/or novella? ==<br />
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Re: Walter M. Miller, Jr.'s SHORTFICTION published [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55704 here]. Do you have the opportunity to take a look if there's a note that this is an expansion of its first publication in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58498 Galaxy]? There it might have been a novelette, but judging from the length in your verified book and later publications it surely is a NOVELLA at least from that time on. Alas, both of the primary verifiers of the issue of Galaxy aren't active anymore (and one of them probably installed the NOVELETTE length). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:14, 27 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:The editors' intro confirms "minor or even major revisions" by the authors to "most" of the stories, with one (they don't say which) getting "a substantial new episode". (I'll add the full quote to the book's listing.) Using the magazine info in isfdb I compared magazine vs book page counts for the 5 stories, and from that data it looks feasible that both Leinster's story (79% more pages in book) and 'Conditionally Human' (91% more pages) were lengthened from novelette to novella. By comparison, the other 3 stories gained 28%, 22% and 35%. Of course, I can't verify the magazine page counts, so this data is suspect. However, it seems the additional data from later publications of Miller's story should be sufficient to change it to a novella variant. As you've probably already checked, Contento lists both the Leinster and the Miller as novelettes. I'll be interested to see what you decide. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:33, 29 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:FWIW I checked the intros & story credits in the other 2 Bleiler & Dikty "Year's Best Science Fiction Novels", and found no mentions of stories being modified. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:07, 29 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: Roberson in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347523 this reference book] indicates that the novella was "slightly revised" for its inclusion in the collection. The wording also seems to point to a novella lenght in both cases. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 19:39, 29 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thank you very much to both of you. I'll install an informational item on the Community Portal. A similar case will there be made for Miller, Jr.'s ''The Darfsteller''. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:47, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::I wouldn't recommend comparing a magazine publication with a book publication to determine word count. First, many magazine stories are continued in the later pages of the issue. Second, many magazines have smaller fonts, and double columns. In the case of "Conditionally Human" in ''Galaxy'', thirty-four pages could very well contain more than 17,500 words. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:58, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::I just did an estimated word count of "Conditionally Human" as it was published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188177 this collection] using [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlVjb2fstclQcE5xdU8xeFViM3UtcnZOSlNFa1FjYXc#gid=0 Swfritter's word count calculator], and it came to over 21,000 words. Even accounting for this story being heavy with dialogue, this would definitely be a novella. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:09, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Image upload problem ==<br />
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What was the trouble with the uploading of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BYNDTASPC1950.jpg this image]? Did you perhaps forget to clear your cache and the original image kept appearing each time you uploaded it? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:39, 29 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:I see what happened now. The image linked to the record had a different URL, and you assumed it would replace it automatically. That only happens when the URLs are the same. But I see you saw that too and changed the URL to the new image. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:51, 29 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::yep :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:27, 29 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: 15 ==<br />
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For {{P|35708|The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: 15}} does the title page state "15" or "Fifteenth Series" as per the cover? If the title page matches the cover, then the record's title should be updated. If the title pages doesn't match the cover, then it is good to add a note to the publication to avoid future questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:28, 3 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. It's "Fifteenth Series" on jacket, book cover, half-title page, and title page. Made the change. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:41, 3 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Masterpieces of Science Fiction'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21649 this publication]: Please make the date field match the publication date given in the note field, or vice versa (1966 or 1967). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:27, 4 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Missed that. Thanks for catch. Fixed it in publication & title records. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:53, 4 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ISBNs ==<br />
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Are you certain that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40972 this 2001 publication] has an ISBN-13 and not an EAN? If it's just a number above a barcode, it is not the ISBN-13 which wasn't created until 2005. If it does state ISBN-13, then you have a later printing. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:13, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:You are correct, it's on the barcode. It's used by booksellers on ABE as ISBN. Since there's an incorrect ISBN on the copyright page, thought I should enter the ISBN used on ABE. I'm not clear on ISFDB standard in this situation, so please edit as appropriate. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:20, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Are your certain that the ISBN on the copyright page is incorrect? It comes up with plenty of hits on [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=30&isbn=1886778213&recentlyadded=all&sortby=17&sts=t&x=0&y=0 ABEbooks.com] and that's the number listed on the publisher's website, and in the [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/49605342 OCLC record]. What about it is incorrect? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:17, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, the ISFDB standard is to record the ISBN as stated in the publication, with the one on the copyright page having precedence over the one on the dustjacket or cover (if they don't agree). If it's an invalid ISBN (as opposed to an "incorrect" number), you can add the number sign (#) before it so that the checksum error warning doesn't display on the record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:20, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::You're right. I've corrected the record. FWIW, I made a 'cut and paste' error when I searched the ISBN. Apologies for wasting your time on this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:35, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== This Island Earth - Raymond F. Jones ==<br />
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Added artist credit, publication date and some links to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51097 This Island Earth].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 03:29, 19 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:44, 19 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Best SF Two'' ==<br />
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The submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4150 this record] made no visible changes in the data. What were you attempting to do? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:00, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Updated image. For some reason yesterday's upload didn't post, so I uploaded again, and cut-and-paste the URL just to be sure. Record is now correct. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:28, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::You don't have to "update" a publication record to change the URL if you've uploaded a new version of the cover image file. The URL doesn't change. The reason it "didn't post" or wasn't visible was because you didn't refresh the page. Unlike many websites, the ISFDB doesn't auto-refresh pages if there's been a change in the page. That must be done manually by the user (usually hitting "F5" will do it). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:13, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Looking at the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BESTSF1C1956.jpg wiki page for the image file], you should be able to see that there was no need to do a second upload of the image file. If you click on the date/time fields of the three uploaded files (under '''File History'''), you'll see that both images you uploaded are identical. Just remember to re-fresh your cache, or you will always see the original file which was loaded into it when you first went to the page. (Unless you've set your browser's preferences to never keep copies of web pages in its cache.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good info. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Astounding'' essay variants ==<br />
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Hi. Questions about two of your make-variant submissions, which I have on hold:<br />
* One submission would make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1738914 this] a variant of an identically worded and credited new parent title. I can't tell which part of that is mistaken.<br />
* The other submission would make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1738915 this] a variant of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?921955 this]. That's indeed worded differently, but I see in looking at the two containing publications that one is supposedly a facsimile reprint of the other. If that's true, I'd expect the titles would be identical in each, since it's a facsimile. I'm thinking you and Ron should see if the title should be credited the same way in each (and so merged, instead of varianted).<br />
Let me know what you think. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:49, 12 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Need your help on this one. This book http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3250 contains a photographic reprint of the contents of this magazine http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57507, so my goal is to merge the content title listings so that both the book and magazine are shown when looking at one of these content titles (for example, like this http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?132348.) What appears to be causing the trouble with the two you note is that Campbell's contents are credited to 'The Editor'. They don't show up in John Campbell's listing so I can't use the 'Check for Duplicate Titles' editing tool. That's why I used the 'variant title' tool. I'm also unclear on whether Campbell articles credited to 'The Editor' are supposed to show up on John Campbell's listing; some do, and some don't, so I can't spot the ISFDB standard. I'd welcome guidance. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:57, 15 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::If the book is a photographic copy, all credits for the original ''Astounding'' material should be the same as those in the magazine (but don't blindly follow the magazine entry; see below). Remember we go by how the works are credited in the material itself. Now, where a piece is credited to The Editor, but something then tells us who The Editor actually is, what we do is make a variant of the "The Editor"-credited material to a title with the same wording but credited to the actual canonical person (John W. Campbell, Jr.). So [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?132348 your example] is not done correctly. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57507 magazine] has "Addenda" credited to The Editor, and then has that a variant of it credited to John W. Campbell, Jr. The "as by" in the content display:<br />
::<pre> • 6 • Addenda • [Editorial (Astounding)] • essay by John W. Campbell, Jr. [as by The Editor ]</pre><br />
::tells us its original credit in the publication. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3250 facsimile reprint], however, has "Addenda" credited to John W. Campbell, Jr., not to The Editor:<br />
::<pre> • 6 • Addenda • [Editorial (Astounding)] • (1939) • essay by John W. Campbell, Jr.</pre><br />
::One of these must be wrong.<br />
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::So, what should you do? If what you see in the book does not agree with what has been entered for the magazine, you should double-check with the magazine's verifier, [[User_talk:Rkihara|Rkihara]]. Everyone makes data entry mistakes, and perhaps something was entered incorrectly there. For the specific "Addenda" example, if it is credited to "The Editor" in your book, then you should use "Remove Titles From This Pub" to remove it, and you should use "Import Content" to bring in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?202411 this one]. By the way, using "Import Content" would have let you make the book use the exact same contents as the magazine (you can import entire contents or individual titles). For ones you have entered that you want to merge, where Check for Duplicates or Show All Titles is too overwhelming, use "Title Search Form" section of Advanced Search: put in the title, use the "AND" option, and put The Editor and choose Author as the second field. That will find you matching titles and will let you merge. If you find a The Editor-credited one that is known to have been done by Campbell, but there's no existing variant, then you'd make one to a new parent having John W. Campbell, Jr.<br />
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::For the two I have on hold, the "In Times to Come" variant should be cancelled. You should make a variant to a new parent, credited to Campbell, Jr. And you should do a merge of the The Editor-credited ones (there are two at the moment). Do one of the two things first, wait for acceptance, then do the other. The second one, too, should be cancelled. You should come to an agreement with Ron about how the entry should be worded, then one should be fixed to match the other and both should be merged. If one or the other is worded correctly, you can actually "fix" and merge at the same time by merging and keeping the wording that is agreed to be correct (use the "note to the moderator" to warn the reviewing moderator you're keeping the correct wording, since a merge of two different wordings can look like a mistake).<br />
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::I hope that helps. If you have any questions or problems, just ask. [[User_talk:Rkihara|Rkihara]] is also a moderator and quite active, so asking him about specific entries in things he has verified could lead to his doing some things quickly that otherwise might take multiple submission + approval cycles. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:20, 15 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Incredibly informative & helpful. Thanks! There was a pre-existing listing for the hardcover reprint, and it had some differences from Ron's listing for the original magazine. Unlike Ron's, the hardcover listing had separate titles for each letter in Brass Tacks, which looks desirable since there are some early fan letters by well known authors. Otherwise, the contents in Ron's listing are superior and authoritative. Therefore, here's what I'd like to do:<br />
::::1. Cancel the 2 previous submissions. (done)<br />
::::2. In my hardcover listing, delete all the titles which are also in Ron's magazine listing.<br />
::::3. Import the contents from Ron's magazine listing.<br />
::::4. For contents by "The Editor" which are not connected to Campbell, do as you've recommended and create a Campbell listing then connect both Editor versions to it.<br />
::::5. Post a note to Ron's page pointing to this conversation and suggesting he import the individual letter listings from the hardcover listing into his magazine listing.<br />
:::Please let me know if you're OK with this, or if there's a better approach. And, again, thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:28, 15 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'd say start with #5, in case Ron has some further suggestions or wants to take some actions. The rest sounds fine, although for #2 and #3, merging what's already entered would require fewer steps than removing, deleting, and importing. But whichever way you feel most comfortable with will get you to the same place. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:35, 16 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Frank R. Paul collection ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420238 this publication]: Can you confirm that the three pieces are credited to "Anonymous" or are they simply "uncredited"? Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:43, 9 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:They were uncredited, but authorship of the book is credited to Jerry Weist so attributed to him. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Acknowledgments ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?450572 this record]: We ordinarily don't create content records for acknowledgments unless it is an actual essay and not just a list of thank yous. Could that be said of the content you added to this record? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]<br />
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:It's in the form of an essay, with more than just a list of thank yous. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:31, 5 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Proposed Modification to a record you verified ==<br />
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Hello. You verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55353 this], and per our courtesy rules I am asking for your comments on my proposal to change the title from "The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other SF Novelets" to "The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other Novelets from Galaxy". I look forward to your input. Thanks! --[[User:Steeltown Jim|Steeltown Jim]] 22:27, 3 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:I have accepted the submission based on the OCLC record which gives the extended title. If this is not the title atated on the title page, please make a submission to change it back. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:10, 4 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Good change. I should have caught that when I edited the stub. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:31, 5 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Stranger ==<br />
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I have changed the credit of {{T|1143147|The Stranger}} to "L. E. Modesitt" (no ", Jr.") based on ISFDB standards of crediting as shown on the story title page. I'm assuming your verified {{P|435699|signed edition}} matches the {{P|324986|unsigned edition}} in this regard. If not, let me know here and I'll separate the records and restore the ", Jr." on your version. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:05, 16 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Thanks. The "Jr" is everywhere else (contents, copyright & limitation pages plus jacket front & blurb) but not the story's title page. Just a comment: the ISFDB standard certainly makes sense as a tie-breaker, but perhaps not so well for a 'heavily out-voted' outlier which is an apparent typo. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:50, 16 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== A Pictorial History of Science Fiction ==<br />
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Can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308366 this verified pub] again? The notes say 'No printed price', but on the front flap of my copy's dustjacket is the statement 'UK Price £3.95'. If the dustjackets are different I'll add a note about this. Thanks for checking, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 08:32, 11 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Interesting. No price anywhere on jacket of my copy. Could mean mine's the US edition and yours is UK. Here are some other points to compare:<br />
::- boards: black cloth embossed in silver on spine<br />
::- "Printed in Holland" on back flap, and "Printed by Smeets, Holland" on copyright page.<br />
::- publisher's cities on copyright page are "London - New York - Sydney - Toronto", and address is "Astronaut House, Feltham, Middlesex, England".<br />
::- ISBN on copyright page and back flap.<br />
:If you decide we should enter a variant, then suggest that you edit the current record, and I clone it to create US variant. But your call. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:45, 16 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::As far as I know, there was no US variant. The UK printing was distributed in the US (I have a copy of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204929 second impression], which was purchased in a retail store in the US.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK. I've restored my verification, made no edits. Thanks for adding the note about dustjacket variants. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:41, 16 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Space Movies'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the title as given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430227 this record] reflects the title given on its title page? According to [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/34191665 OCLC] the title is ''Space Movies: Classic Science Fiction Films''. Thanks for checking. BTW, I've deleted the record for a separate US edition. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:14, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:I didn't make that change because wasn't sure which of these was definitive:<br />
::- Title page: subtitle "Classic Science Fiction Films"<br />
::- Half-title page: no subtitle<br />
::- Copyright page: no subtitle<br />
::- Spine of book: no subtitle<br />
::- Jacket: subtitle "Classic Science Fiction"<br />
:Based on your comment, I'll add the subtitle from the title page. Thanks for deleting that 'US edition'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:25, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::ISFDB standard: the title on the title page, including subtitles, trumps the titles that appear anywhere else in the publication and should be used in the Title field of a publication record. The Title field of the publication record does not have to exactly match the Title field of the title record. That title should be the ''canonical title''. For example, the title page of ''The Courts of Chaos'' may give it as ''The Courts of Chaos: An Amber Novel'', which should be used in the Title field of the publication record, but not in the Title field of the title record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:09, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Pseudonym and variant functions ==<br />
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When making an author into a pseudonym, it is important to variant all of the titles under that pseudonym to ones credited to the canonical author. I've done that for you in the case of N. C. Hanger / Nancy C. Hanger. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:12, 3 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:00, 3 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Teen-Age Super Science Stories ==<br />
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You verified the author of {{p|433460|Teen-Age Super Science Stories}} as Richard M. Elam, Jr. The cover shows Richard M. Elam. Does the title page have Richard M. Elam or Richard M. Elam, Jr.? --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 08:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, "Jr." is on title page of book. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:49, 26 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: Thank you. I added a note to the publication record about that. While adding the note I noticed a minor discrepancy which is "There are 25 "Teen Age Library" titles listed inside FFEP, ending with this book." The problem is, this publication is #27 implying there should be 26 and not 25 titles listed. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 01:24, 29 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::Added a note that the title list inside book omits two titles from jacket back. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:19, 29 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of the Steet'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?276680 this record]: While Edgeworks Abbey is an imprint of The Kilimanjaro Corporation (i.e. Harlan Ellison), Severn House has been around for decades as a British publisher. Also, it's very likely this is a phantom record, as it appears that there was one edition which was distributed in both the US and the UK (based on your notes). If you can't substantiate proof that there were two separate editions, I would suggest deleting one record and verifying the one remaining. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:34, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree that there should be only one record. Let's keep the one I just edited, and delete the other one. Thanks for catch on 'Kilimanjaro'. Didn't know that, and misinterpreted the info on copyright page. I'll clean up the note. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:18, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Serpent's Egg'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm the spelling of the bonus story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273776 this publication]? It's being reprinted in a new Lafferty collection as "Grey Ghost: A Reminiscence". (The note also spells it as "Grey..." instead of "Gray...") Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:04, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Confirmed: on the story's title page, page 167, and on the limitation page, the title is "Gray Ghost, A Reminiscence". I've submitted a correction for my mis-spelling of limitation page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:16, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for the change. In the meantime, I confirmed that the reprint is also titled "Gray..." [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:26, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Periodical page counts ==<br />
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It is ISFDB standard to include the covers for publications typed as MAGAZINE or FANZINE. That's why I'm holding your record to change the page count of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253460 this issue] from 132 to 131. If you include the covers in the count, most periodicals have a page count in a multiple of 4. If you conclude that the submission was in error, please cancel it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:33, 15 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, then page count should be 132. Easiest if you accept my edit, then I'll correct the page count (or you're welcome to correct it.) Thanks for clarifying the standard for magazines. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:46, 15 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I didn't see that you'd also added notes. (Once I saw the page count change I didn't go any further!) I've accepted the submission and reverted the page count. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:50, 15 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Lightspeed ==<br />
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I'm holding a submission to '''update''' (not clone) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?453370 this publication record], changing its title, changing it from a MAGAZINE to an ANTHOLOGY, changing its price, and adding five additional editors. I actually think you have the same edition represented by the record. Regardless of the format, this is a periodical publication, thus its type as MAGAZINE. It also states "Lightspeed Magazine" on the copyright page. About the editor credit, the ISFDB doesn't credit all of roles you cited as being the editor of the publication. The price may have changed since it was listed on Amazon. If your copy has a stated price of $17.99, you can cancel the submission and update the record. Or if you're not convinced that your copy is sufficiently different from the current record, you should cancel the submission and create a new record for what you consider to be an ANTHOLOGY. Either way, you'd have to cancel the submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:19, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Ah-ha! I see now what you're doing. Sorry it took so long, but I went back and saw that this differs from the ebook edition with a new story. But I don't believe it should be considered an ANTHOLOGY. I'll accept the submission, and you can lay out a case for it being one. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:41, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:You should also get rid of those other editors. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:44, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Sorry to make you work so hard on this one. I'll make all the changes you cite, and I appreciate you clarifying the ISFDB standards for this situation. FWIW, though the copyright page does say "Published by Lightspeed Magazine", I'd classify it as an anthology because it's a 489-page "Limited Edition" trade paper book which I believe would be shelved with anthologies in a library. It doesn't appear to be a 'periodical publication' since it's the only one in its series (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?36989), but there are ISFDB anthologies which were periodically published: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8228. In any case, I'll follow your guidance, and thanks for the help. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:03, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Kid from Mars Interiorart ==<br />
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I've been entering Virgil Finlay art books, and several have an illustration from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?272837 The Kid from Mars]. Is there more than one interior illustration by Finlay in that pub? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 16:41, 8 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:No, there's just the one: a meticulously detailed picture of The Kid lifting a sleeping woman. I've edited the book listing to add the interior illustration so that it appears on Finlay's page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:56, 9 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for taking the trouble. Much appreciated! [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 14:15, 9 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Author's name in the title ==<br />
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Are you certain that the author's name is in the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53755 this publication]? That is, on the title page it is given as ''H. G. Wells: The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories'' and credited to H. G. Wells as well. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:33, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:"H. G. Wells", in larger font, precedes the rest of the title on the title page (and on the jacket front and flap.) The half-title page has only "H. G. Wells", which I interpreted to mean it's the title of the book and the rest ("The War of the Worlds" etc.) is subtitle. However, if there's an applicable ISFDB standard, let's follow it. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:34, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Disregarding the half-title page, your entry only makes sense if the full title page states "''H. G. Wells: The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories'' by H. G. Wells". If there is no "by" credit on the title page, then it appears to me that "H. G. Wells" is not part of the title, just the author credit. I don't think there's an applicable ISFDB standard as it doesn't seem to be logical to interpret it any other way. If you disagree, please start a discussion on the Rules & Standards page, and we can create a rule for this situation. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:50, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK. Edited. Thanks for guidance. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:00, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Buck Rogers ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503760 This book] is credited to Calkins on the cover. Can you confirm that Nowlan is credited on the title page? Also, is there a way to determine if there are more than 40K words of text? Otherwise, this appears to be a CHAPBOOK. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:14, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Also you changed the author credit of the title record to "Philip Francis Nowlan" but not the author of the publication record. They should match or it's an error. <br />
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According to OCLC the book is credited as "by Lieutenant Dick Calkins and Phil Nowlan with over 150 pictures to color". Is your copy different? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:18, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm struggling with this listing, and would appreciate your guidance. The OCLC credit is correct, and as it appears on the title page. Nowlan is the author & Calkins is the illustrator. Should I include Calkins as an 'author'? The reason I edited the title record was trying to get the book to show up in Philip Francis Nowlan listing. Thought I could do that by just changing the title record, but leaving the book record as "Phil Nowlan". Please let me know correct method for that outcome. Regarding length, there are 17 chapters, but doubt they average more than a few hundred words each, so, yes, it should be a chapbook. Good catch. Thanks for helping me sort this out. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:31, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::The author field of a publication record must match EXACTLY the author field of its title record. There's no way around it. If you can answer my question about whether this is a novel I can make a better decision about how the publication should be handled. I suspect that it should be a CHAPBOOK credited to Calkins and Nowlan, with content records for the SHORTFICTION credited to Nowlan and the INTERIORART credited to Calkins. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:36, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::BTW, the way to "to get the book to show up in Philip Francis Nowlan listing" is to credit the record EXACTLY as published and then variant its title record to the canonical author. (Phil Nowlan is already established as a pseudonym of Philip Francis Nowlan.) I assumed that you were already familiar with pseudonyms and variants. Ask if you need help on how to do that. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:39, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Stand Still and Die ==<br />
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Would you please confirm that {{T|94428|Stand Still and Die}} in your verified {{P|276680|Children of the Streets}} does not have a exclamation point? {{T|1589047|Other versions}} of this story have the exclamation and I want to confirm before varianting. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:04, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it has an exclamation point. I submitted edit to fix. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:13, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
::It's easier to merge the two versions. That takes one step to fix vs. adding, removing, and then merging the new version created via the add. So I rejected your edit and then merged them. I appreciate you checking. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:29, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good tip. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:37, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantasy Voyages Great Science Fiction from the Saturday Evening Post ==<br />
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I think the publication you want to add is already in the database. (And you've entered it under the wrong title record.) If [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?201573 this record] matches your copy, please cancel your submission and update/verify the existing record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Also, HTML is only allowed in the Note field. Its use in any other field messes with searches. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:41, 9 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I cancelled the new pub and edited the existing. Just now saw your note about HTML in title. I'd appreciate if you could take it out of edit I just submitted. Now that I know, won't do again. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:02, 9 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Pub entered under the wrong title record ==<br />
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Because [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?506869 this publication] has a different title, it should not have been created using the clone function. You should have used the "Add New Anthology" function, completing only the metadata section of the entry form. After that was accepted you could have imported the contents from the other publication record. I'll have to unmerge this publication from its current title. I'll let you decide whether it's sufficiently different to remain a separate title or to variant its title to the original. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:38, 15 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I made the new title a variant of the "Gosh! Wow! ..." title. This is just a hardcover edition of the PBO, with new illustrations and some minor re-titling to Ackerman's essays. Note the copyright attribution for "Gosh Wow ..." on the copyright page of "Sense of Wonder ...". But if there's a better way to do this, I'd appreciate the correction/coaching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:19, 15 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::The problem wasn't with whether it's a variant. The wrong function was used to enter it into the database. You shouldn't use the CLONE function if the title is different from the record you're cloning. (The software shouldn't allow changes in the title and author field when cloning, IMHO.) I agree it should be varianted. Submission accepted. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:29, 15 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah! OK, thanks for coaching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:35, 15 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Campbells Islands of Space ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes to Campbell's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284452 Islands of Space]''. I've also added Bincley as the cover artist as I found a published source stating he did the jacket. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:55, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Art of Robrt McCall ==<br />
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I have added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436796 this book] adding the Canadian price which is printed top right front flap of dust wrapper. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 21:01, 8 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:thanks [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:04, 10 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Greenberg's Travellers of Space ==<br />
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I have some questions regarding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430565 verified copy] the the Martin Greenberg edited anthology ''Travelers of Space''. According to the secondary sources, there were two printings (1951 & c. 1955) and two jackets (Cartier & Binkley). One source, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?983721 Chalker/Owings], as well as the notes on the first printing indicate that the second state jacket was used for some copies of the first printing and they speculate that there may have been two bindings of the single printing. My copy of the first printing does have a first edition statement on the copyright page, directly below the copyright statement. If your copy also includes this statement, then it is either the supposed second binding of the first printing, but definitely the second state jacket. If not, then yours is the second printing which Chalker/Owings dates as c. 1955. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409055 This other source] has a definitive 1955 date. If yours is a first printing with the second state jacket, I think it's fine to have two records for the separate states, but I'll adjust the notes on the record with the Cartier jacket to indicate your record. I'd also recommend that we add an additional record for the true second printing. Alternatively, if yours is a second printing, it's probably OK to just reference the second state jacket in existing Cartier jacket record, as it is now. However, you may want to adjust the date on your record.<br />
Regardless of which edition you have, there are a few errors with the contents that I'd like to fix. If you agree, I'll fix the shared content records which will correct these errors for both our copies. The corrections I want to make are:<br />
#Peeples' credit for "A Dictionary of Science Fiction" should be "Samuel A. Peeples".<br />
#Kyle's credit for "The Interstellar Zoo" should be "David Kyle"<br />
#Heinlein's credit for "Columbus Was a Dope" should be "Lyle Monroe" (this one will have to be handled by editing both our records).<br />
#Since it's clear from the table of contents that Peeples' preface if for the dictionary, I'd suggest changing the disambiguation to the title record so that it reads "Preface (A Dictionary of Science Fiction)". I'm not even sure we'd still need the note regarding this if we made this change.<br />
Let me know if you agree with this changes and any ideas that you have regarding which printing/edition you have. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:49, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I've got 2 copies, one with each jacket:<br />
::- Both copies have "FIRST EDITION" on the copyright page, and identical contents including the misspelling of "Peebles" and other points you note. I can see that I did not carefully review the titles and authors in the stub I verified; all need to be the same as in the canonical listing for the first edition with red Cartier jacket. If you wish, I can do that clean-up. <br />
::- The books have identical binding: gray cloth boards, with red cloth on the spine that has silver-embossed title on spine and blind-embossed rocket and star motif on front. This means my copies do not support the speculation of "two bindings of the single printing." However, the jackets that came with each book have folds and wear consistent with being as published, so this appears to support the source you cite that a "second state jacket was used for some copies of the first printing." (FWIW, without that source, you could also argue that a later jacket was put on a jacketless 1951 First Edition by a book collector back in the 1950's.)<br />
::- The blue Binkley jacket has the same $3.95 price as the red Cartier jacket, and the same blurb text on flaps. However, it has "Illustrations by Edd Cartier with Jacket Design by Ric Binkley" on bottom of front flap, versus "Jacket illustrations by Edd Cartier with Design by David Kyle" on the red Cartier jacket. <br />
::- The red Cartier jacket has 10 titles on back, 3 of which were published as late as 1951: 'Journey to Infinity', 'Foundation', and 'The Fairy Chessmen'. The blue Binkley jacket has 30 titles on back, 6 of which were published as late as 1953: 'The Robot & The Man', 'King Conan', 'Second Foundation', 'Against the Fall of Night', 'Iceworld', and 'Children of the Atom'. This is why I listed my Binkley jacketed book as published in 1953.<br />
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:I really appreciate your scholarship on this book. Since you've done the work and have the sources, I agree that you should edit my verified listing with the additional info about 1st printings in a later jacket, but I strongly recommend that you leave the publication date of my verified listing as 1953. While you're editing it you can also clean up the author & story titles to match the First Edition if you wish, but I'll be glad to do that after you've added your comments. It's your call if you've got enough evidence to create a new, 3rd listing for a 1955 edition. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I agree with you about not changing the date. I was only suggesting the 1955 date if you had a true second printing. I've made the edits and have updated the notes on your record. Of course, you should feel free to rework the notes if you'd like something stated differently. I'll go ahead and clone your copy for the second printing. Thanks again.<br />
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== The Ice Dragon by George R. R. Martin ==<br />
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On [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?469491 The Ice Dragon] by George R. R. Martin, not removing or changing anything, but will edit spacing and add OCLC [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 21:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Weist's Frank R. Paul Book ==<br />
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If you've no objections, I'd like to replace the single interiorart title in Jerry Weist's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420238 Frank R. Paul: The Dean of Science Fiction Illustration]'' with individual titles for each piece. I'd also like to add a couple of sidebar items that are missing (e.g the Roger Hill essay on page 14) and add the Worldcat number to the notes. Lastly, I should be able to get a full scan of the cover. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:23, 23 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Wow, that'll take you awhile. I really appreciate it, as will other ISFDB users. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:45, 25 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Two Sought Adventure ==<br />
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I added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52635 Two Sought Adventure] concerning the two bindings Currey notes, and stating that both were verified (by me). [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:55, 28 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the Canadian price to your verified ==<br />
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I added the Canadian price to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50829].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 23:07, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Campbells The Mightiest Machine ==<br />
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In working on the Paul collection, they reprinted his cover illustration for the Hadley edition of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257186 The Mightiest Machine]'' which you've verified. However, the cover doesn't match the cover, or more precisely, the original cover of our record. I've looked in some secondary sources and it appears that when Hadley folded, the remaining stock (about 300 copies) was acquired by Julius Unger who printed new jackets that listed the publisher as FFF. According to Chalker/Owings the original cover and the interior illustrations are by Betty Wells Halladay. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409055 Kemp] states the same thing. Neither of them credit Paul with the later jacket, but Kemp reprints it and it matches the one in the Paul collection (page 115) which also reprints the spine showing the "FFF". Tuck doesn't credit the cover artist but does credit the interior illustrations as by Pailthorpe.<br />
Could you check for credits for both the jacket and the interior illustrations? I think we have two potential issues, but that will depend on what is in the book.<br />
#For the cover artist, there were clearly two different covers by different artists. We could address this by either listing a second artist on the record which would create to COVERART records, or we could have two separate publication records, one for each cover. I actually favor the latter because it will allow us to link each COVERART record to a scan of the cover. However, I would suggest that the record for second state jacket maintain the publisher as Hadley since there really was only one printing and binding (Black, blue and red cloth were used, but apparently all bound at the same time, so no priority).<br />
#For the interior illustrations, and if there is a credit in the book, or a signature, I'd say we should go with that. If not, then we've got two secondary sources saying Halladay and one saying Pailthorpe. I don't know which I'd recommend going with. If it isn't credited, does it look like the same artist that did the cover did the interiors?<br />
Let me know your opinions on one record vs. two and who to credit for the illustrations. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:19, 13 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for doing this research. I just studied the book and updated the listing. I agree that there should be a second listing for the FFF edition. You could argue that, for that listing, the printer is still Hadley but the publisher is FFF ... but I'll defer to you on what ISFDB standards dictate. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:39, 13 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Here's what I added to my verified listing ... "Illustrated by Robert Pailthorpe" on title page. Blurb on front flap of jacket notes, "The Jacket and Illustrations are the work of Robert Pailthorpe ...." All four of the interior illustrations are signed with Pailthorpe's name or initials. There is no signature on the jacket art. Noted without explanation: both Chalker/Owings and Kemp credit the interior illustrations and this edition's jacket art to Betty Wells Halladay. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I kept the publisher as Hadley. My reasoning is that the title page would still say Hadley. Also, none of the secondary sources (as few as they are) consider the rejacketed copies a FFF publication. Perhaps that's because Unger was essentially a used book dealer. I don't know that we've ever come up with a standard for this sort of situation, which is admittedly quite rare.In any case, it allowed me to variant the Paul jacket properly, which finishes Weist's Paul book. Thanks for your help and let me know if you see anything with either book that needs fixing. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 00:16, 17 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover artist ==<br />
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Added artists for some of the Scithers' anthologies that you submitted. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:36, 14 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Year's Best SF 5 ==<br />
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Hi, I added the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291383 Year's Best SF 5]. It is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1096986 John Harris].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 11:25, 14 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Williamson's The Cometeers ==<br />
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I was getting ready to inform you that I had added the interior art records and expanded the notes (to include the Reginald1 number) of the Fantasy Press edition of Jack Williamson's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37357 The Cometeers]''. While looking it up in Reginald and Tuck, I discovered that we apparently have this book listed incorrectly, as it not only contains the novel ''The Cometeers'', but also contains ''One Against the Legion'' and we should have this listed as an OMNIBUS containing both novels. Let me know if you agree and I'll go ahead and make the edits, as well as the others I proposed. I'll also leave a note on the other verifier's page, but I'm not certain how active they are. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:34, 18 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Great catch! I just checked it out and, yes, it's an omnibus: the Contents page divides the book's content into "Book One / The Cometeers" (pages 1-168) and "Book Two / One Against the Legion" (pages 169-310.) Let me know if you'd like me to do any of this edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:01, 18 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Disch poem in ''Nebula Award Stories Seventeen'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the poem on page 281 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23461 this publication] is credited to Thomas M. Disch, and not "Tom Disch"? He almost always used the shorter form for his poetry. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:02, 25 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. I just now submitted edits to fix. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:44, 28 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Toward a Greater Appreciation of H. P. Lovecraft: The Analytical Approach ==<br />
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Hi. Both [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289017 Whispers 1] and your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13844 First World Fantasy Awards] have the essay "Toward a Greater Appreciation of H. P. Lovecraft: The Analytical Approach" by "Dirk W. Mosig". In the Whispers he is credited on the essay title page as "Professor Dirk W. Mosig" (already an alias). Could you check your anthology and see if it's credited that way. If so, I can just change the title page and correct both at once. Also, in my version there is no space between H. and P. in the title. Could you check that as well. I will notify the other verifier once you answer back. Thanks, Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 23:56, 3 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:You're right: "Professor Dirk W. Mosig" on page 290 of 'First World Fantasy Awards'. Thanks for catching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:50, 4 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
::No problem - correction submitted. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 02:48, 4 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Twelve Tomorrows'' ==<br />
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According to the Note there is no printed price on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?521435 this publication], but the scan you just uploaded has the price printed on the front cover. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:57, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for catching this. Just submitted edit to fix. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:59, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Adventures to Come'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:1937AdventuresToCome2.jpg This image file] was uploaded without the prerequisite license, but it is a duplicate of a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:ADVTTC1937.jpg file] already on the server. Unless there's a reason I'm not understanding, the license-less file will have to be deleted. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:06, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I acquired a copy with jacket, so I'm posting the jacket image with the listing, then moving that image of the 1st & 2nd printing boards to a secondary location, and will add a link to that image in the listing notes. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:08, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::You still need a license on the file. It would have been better to just upload the jacket image file, first changing the file name, and then correcting the links in the publication record. I'll make the necessary changes to make the file "legal". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:13, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, you have to use HTML to link in a publication record's Note field. Wiki markup doesn't work in publication records. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:16, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::appreciate the coaching. Submitted edit to correct the HTML. I'll follow this process in future if need to upload additional images. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:59, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Derleth's Far Boundaries ==<br />
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I've made a few changes to August Derleth's anthology ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13206 Far Boundaries]''.<br />
*I've added the subtitle to the publication record. <br />
*I've added the overall introduction and the section introductions that we were missing.<br />
*I've corrected the credit for the John Wyndham story from "John Benyon" to "John Benyon Harris"<br />
*I've added the Reginald number, the LCCN and linked the Worldcat number.<br />
Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:22, 11 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Great additions & corrections. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:53, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Smith's "The City of the Singing Flame" ==<br />
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I was reading the story notes for the Night Shade edition of Clark Ashton Smith's stories and I discovered that there are multiple versions of his story "The City of the Singing Flame". It appears that it when it was published in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?381704 Spring 1940 issue] of ''Tales of Wonder'', the editor combined the story with its sequel "Beyond the Singing Flame" by altering some of Smith's prose and adding a bridging paragraph. Further, when Smith was preparing ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25326 Out of Space and Time]'', he was unable to locate either his carbon or a copy of the original ''Wonder Stories'' appearance of the tale and instead sent along tear sheets from ''Tales of Wonder'' containing the combined story. I have compared the two versions from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99391 Night Shade collection] which contains the original story and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296744 Bison reprint] of ''Out of Space and Time'' which contains the combined story. The former ends with "Tomorrow, I shall return to the city." Whereas the combined version ends with "And there, at length, we came once more to the greyish-green columns that were the gateway between worlds." I have corrected my copy of ''Out of Space and Time'' as well as the unverified copies. The story notes also mention that the combined version was used in August Derleth's anthology ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44942 The Other Side of the Moon]'' which you have verified. Could you check your copy so that we can swap out the version of the story if needed. I'll also point out that there are at least three variants of the wording of the title. You currently have "'''The''' City of '''the''' Singing Flame". This is also how Contento1 has it, but they also indicate that it is the single story version, so they may be wrong. Once you've verified the title, I can swap out the versions in the reprints of the Derleth anthology, unless you'd like to go ahead with those too. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:17, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Excellent scholarship! I've got 3 books containing the story:<br />
:- "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14728 From Off This World]" contains both the original story as "The City of Singing Flame", and the sequel "Beyond the Singing Flame". The ISFDB listing has incorrect title for the original story ("... '''the''' Singing Flame".) I'll 3rd Verify the listing, and correct the title.<br />
:- "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44942 The Other Side of the Moon]" has the combined version, titled "The City of '''the''' Singing Flame". It's incorrectly connected as a variant to the original (short) story in my listing, and in the unverified other 2 listings for this book title. I'll edit all 3, deleting the story then re-adding so I can variant to the combined version.<br />
:- "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20826 Lost Worlds, Unknown Horizons]" listing is correct: it has the original story (i.e. ending with "Tomorrow, I shall return ..."), titled "The City of '''the''' Singing Flame".<br />
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:FWIW, I noted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1495757 this listing] which says it's a different combined version edited by Garyn Roberts instead of Walter Gillings. My copy of that "Prentice Hall Anthology" is packed away so I can't verify if, indeed, it's different. The listing's verifier, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:MLB MLB] may be able to check ... but I'll leave that to you if you want to ping him. Let me know if you'd like for me to make any edits other than the ones I've noted. And THANKS for the scholarship! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 07:09, 14 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for making those edits. I has already noticed the other combined story. However, I decided to leave them as separate titles because of the two different editors. Especially since Gillings added some of his own material. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:44, 16 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Madonna and the Starship ==<br />
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Before approving your submissions, can you clear the matter withe the PVs? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 09:49, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
:I approve of the edits. However, I think additional edits are required to add a CHAPBOOK title record to the contents. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:50, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Done. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:53, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::Apologies for missing that check-off. Seemed like an obvious edit, but I take your point. Thanks for handling for me. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:29, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::No worries. It's not the most obvious series of edits. I had offered my assent only as one of the verifiers. My intent was to save you the trouble of notifying me, since I had noticed the conversation in my watchlist. I'll leave a note on Bill's page, but we probably should have waited for him before proceeding. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:27, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::::Happy with the edits as they are now [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 09:21, 29 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Stanislow or Stanislaw ==<br />
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Can you confirm the cover art credit given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35657 this record]? The canonical form of the artist name is {{A|Stanislaw Zagorski}}. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:50, 26 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:It's spelled "...ow" on the jacket of this book. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:27, 26 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
::I'm not a PV of this, not sure why I was included in this message?[[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 09:24, 29 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::You weren't. This message was posted only on the PV editor's talk page, and no other's. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:57, 29 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In Real Life'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?529671 this record]: A graphic novel isn't really a NOVEL (more than 40,000 words), so it should be entered as a CHAPBOOK with content records for the art and the fiction. Keep in mind that graphic novels are only eligible for the database if they are by an author who is "above the threshold". This was accepted into the database ''only'' because Doctorow is credited on the title page as the author, even though from the copyright it appears he had no input into the actual work. If the title page had truthfully stated "Adaptation of a story by Cory Doctorow" the publication wouldn't have been eligible. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:37, 1 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:As always, thanks for the coaching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:16, 1 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Cory Doctorow adaptations ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?529498 this publication]: the "(graphic adaptation}" disambiguation added to the titles of the contents is not necessary. We can now flag each fiction title record to identify it as being in a graphic format. (Both disambiguation and flagging the INTERIORART records is also superfluous.) Please adjust the titles and add the graphic flag to the fiction titles when you get a chance. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:56, 15 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I also see that the INTERIORART records give two artists credit, when it appears that based on your note that they are not collaborations: one is for the title page and one is for the story. If so, they should each get a separate content record. Otherwise it would look like the two artists worked together for the arat of the entire story. 17:59, 15 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Edited per your guidance. Let me know if I missed anything. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:21, 16 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Looks good. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:39, 16 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Twenty-First Century Science Fiction ==<br />
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I added notes (Canadian price, LCCN, & comment on story introductions) to your verified {{P|428841|Twenty-First Century Science Fiction}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:44, 30 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Acknowledgments (again) ==<br />
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As previously pointed out, we normally don't create content records for these unless they are more than just a list of "thank you"s. Looking at the Amazon Look Inside for ''Telling Tales'', I don't see how McCoy's acknowledgments are exceptional. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:46, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I submitted Note to the book title record with content which I believes justifies having a record for McCoy's essay. Let me know if you'd prefer I delete the Note and/or essay record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:58, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm not sure that one sentence makes an ESSAY, but I'll drop the issue. (Just don't start creating content records for blurbs, most of which run for more than a sentence and have more value than this work!) BTW, wouldn't that explanation make more sense in the note field of the title record of the ESSAY rather than the title record of the ANTHOLOGY? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:14, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK, I deleted the Acknowledgement record. With it gone, I'll leave the comment on the anthology title record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:29, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Humanoids ==<br />
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I added the Reginald number to the notes for Williamson's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?179277 The Humanoids]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:19, 10 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Radio Man ==<br />
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I've added an item for the interior artwork to Farley's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?428966 The Radio Man]''. I've also expanded the notes with catalog numbers for some of the secondary sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:46, 16 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Great additions. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:21, 18 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Default display of non-English translations ==<br />
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When you get a chance, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Followup_to_Translations_not_shown_on_author_page_when_not_logged_in this discussion]? The proposal basically boils down to changing the behavior of the Summary Bibliography when the viewing user is not logged in. Currently only English translations are displayed for unauthenticated users. The proposal would change it to displaying ''all'' translations. The downside is that the Summary page could get longer and harder to navigate.<br />
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I am trying to get a sense of how widespread the support for this change is. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 01:03, 20 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for he heads-up. I never think to browse the community portal. The discussion was interesting. I posted an opinion. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:27, 20 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks! :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:02, 20 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Editor credit ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46928 this publication]: We don't use copyright page credit to determine responsibility, unless there is no other credit stated in the book. Otherwise we use what is stated on the title page of the book. So I removed the editor credit for David Hartwell. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:58, 20 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:OK. I assume you'll do the same for 'The SFWA Grand Masters, Volume Two', which also had an editor credit for Hartwell on the copyright page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:12, 21 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I accepted your submission for Volume 2, and then went back and removed the Hartwell credit. I'll leave it to you to finish the cleanup submitting content deletes, etc. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 01:27, 21 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK, thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Jones' The Toymaker ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes to Raymond Jones' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48774 The Toymaker]'', adding the Reginald number and describing the binding of my copy which doesn't seem to match any of those already mentioned. I also noticed that we had the title wrong for "The Deadly Host" where we had omitted "The". I've corrected that as well. Let me know if you have any problems with my changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:16, 14 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
:I notice that you have also have verified the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?427409 paperback edition]. My understanding is that FPCI generally did a single printing with several bindings, so I would expect that the same change for "The Deadly Host" would be needed for the paperback. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:21, 14 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Good catch. Fixed. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:29, 15 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== I added publisher's number ==<br />
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I added publisher's number to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249814].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 20:23, 2 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Bad HTML ==<br />
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The HTML in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?4861 this record's Note field] is pretty messed up. Did you want to repair it, or should I? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:34, 10 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Fixed. Sorry about that. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:24, 10 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange and Fantastic Stories ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270849 Strange and Fantastic Stories]'', adding the catalog numbers for Reginald and Bleiler. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:38, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Merril's SF:'57 ==<br />
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I expanded the notes to our mutually verified publication of Judith Merril's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29756 SF:'57]'' adding several catalog numbers. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:23, 4 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
:Also her ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34937 The 5th Annual of the Year's Best S-F]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:31, 4 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''No Boundaries'' cover image ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:NBNDRSJLXM1955.jpg this record]: We usually don't include the back cover unless it's wraparound art. Is there any reason to make an exception for this one? We don't want to create a precedent and have others point to it when wanting to upload other images that show back covers that are text only. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:48, 6 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:OK. Fixed. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:54, 7 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Moore's Shambleau ==<br />
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I added the Reginald and Bleiler catalog numbers to C. L. Moore's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30127 Shambleau and Others]''. I also linked the existing Worldcat and Library of Congress numbers. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:19, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Playboy Book of Science Fiction and Fantasy ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45400 The Playboy Book of Science Fiction and Fantasy]'' adding Reginald and Bleiler numbers. I also linked the LOC number. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:59, 24 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Post Reader of Fantasy and Science Fiction ==<br />
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I expanded the notes to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26482 The Post Reader of Fantasy and Science Fiction]'' adding record numbers for Reginald and Bleiler. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:08, 28 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Most Forgetable Story in the World ==<br />
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Would you mind double checking the spelling of "forgetable" in the title of {{T|68102|The Most Forgetable Story in the World}} from {{P|20584|Long Night of Waiting by Andre Norton and other stories}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:45, 1 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Thanks! Fixed that, and also corrected the story title pages. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:07, 1 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Outsiders: Children of Wonder ==<br />
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Hello, I've put your submission on hold, please clear the matter of your proposed date change with the PVs. The dates in Cole may be wrong, as is the case with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?405658 this pub] falsely dated by Cole 04-15-1951 although all data on the book point to a March date. Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:37, 4 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, but I'm unclear on what I'd be asking Willem and Don. I've also got a copy of this paperback and, as the isfdb record notes, its copyright page says it's "published June 1954". Cole simply adds the day of the month (June 7, 1954.) There's no data in the book to verify that day ... so what would I be asking them to verify? That said, I agree that Cole, by itself, doesn't 'trump' a date printed in a book. So far, I've only added Cole dates when the isfdb record is missing a publication month, or when it's got the same month as Cole but missing the day of the month. Please advise if I should be following a different process. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:52, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Two things, first if you own the book, think about becoming a PV, second, I just want you to ask the other PV if they agree to your changes. Beause if I was concerned as a PV, I wouldn't agree with them as so precise data from Cole is (IMHO) questionable. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:20, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Unnumbered pages ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1055 this publication]: Did you plan on adding a record for the content which appears on the 6 unnumbered pages before the last novel. If they don't contain significant text, they shouldn't be added to the page count field. The note itself should be sufficient. Also, the page numbers given for the start of each of the contents should reflect the published page number. According to your note, the pagination started over with each novel. You can use the pipe method for page numbering to provide the order of their appearance within the book. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:50, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Can you point to an example of the 'pipe method'? I couldn't find a reference to 'pipe' in the Policy, FAQ, Discussions or Portal pages. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:36, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::It's explained [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Content_Information here] in the '''Regular Titles''' section of the Content entry help page. Look at the '''Page''' subsection, to the bulleted section titled ''Sorting''. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:25, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Those un-numbered pages contain the novel's title page, so I've got to somehow reference them as the novel's first page. Appreciate guidance on that. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:36, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually you don't have to reference pages that don't have content on them., especially in a publication which has non-standard pagination. Since each of these novels "start" on the first page of their section of the publication, you can enter the first at "1|1", the second as "1|2", and the third as "1|3". Only the number "1" will be displayed, and the number after the pipe gives the order in which the titles will be displayed in the contents section of the publication record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:25, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good to know about that use of pipe character. Thanks. I submitted correction to page numbers. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:54, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Cyberiad ==<br />
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Hi. While checking the tp Seabury Press version of <cite>The Cyberiad: Fables for the Cybernetic Age</cite> against [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37775 your verified] hc version, I noticed the story title of "Prince Ferrix and the Princess Crystal" on the title page of the tp has "the Princess" and yours has no "the" in front of "Princess". Out of the six verified ISFDB editions of this work, two have "the" and four don't have the "the". Seems odd that the tp & hc of the same publisher would be different - could you kindly check your version and see if it has the "the". I'll ask the others to join us here as well, just to make sure we don't have an extra variant out there. If, by some chance, all of the verified copies have the "the" in the title, should all the unverified copies be changed? Also, since both variants of this story are variants to the Polish title, if you change the "non-the" title to the "the" title, do you merge that with the other "the" titles?<br><br />
Also, I notice that some of the verified copies have the subtitle "Fables for the Cyberntetic Age" and some don't. (Mavmaramis & Astrodan) Should that be checked as well? Thanks, Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 05:08, 4 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I have corrected the title of the story in my PV'd record. Most likely this was caused by the importing of contents which were initially incorrect. I also added the subtitle to the canonical title, since the vast majority of the publications include it. There's one unverified record now that doesn't have that more complete title, but nothing requires that it do. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:27, 4 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I checked my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193781 The Cyberiad] - contents page and the story itself has title as "Prince Ferrix and the Princess Crystal" no leading 'the' Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:31, 9 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1816536 少女] ==<br />
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I updated the date to match the oldest release of this short story. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:48, 5 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Clarke's ''Reach for Tomorrow'' ==<br />
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Does your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284755 this] have a printed price? If not, please add that to the record. And please remember to do a primary verification of the record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:10, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I'll be editing and adding Pub Notes ... but not a price. My copy's jacket is price clipped. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:53, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Imperial Earth'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192257 This record] was originally intended to be for the January 1976 first printing. But based on the letter line, are you certain that it's not a second printing with an unknown publication date? I know some publisher's have different ways of indication a first printing, but shouldn't removing the "A" indicate a second printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:27, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Some [http://www.whiteunicornbooks.com/home/glfirsted.html research] about identifying HB&J's first editions shows: <br />
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:"...that from 1973 to 1983, HB&J did not use the "A", i.e. "First Edition/ABCD", but instead used "First Edition/BCDE." <br />
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It might be a good idea to note this in case a collector checks these records to see if he/she has a true first edition. I will place a note on the publisher's page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:34, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Paul Collins' ''Envisaged Worlds'' ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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I have recently acquired a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12471 Envisaged Worlds] for which you are the primary verifier. My dust jacket appears a little different from yours: the fill in the drawings is much finer in my copy (though perhaps this is an artifact of the scan?), plus, at the bottom of the front cover there is "Void" with "6•7•8" underneath.<br />
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Does your dust jacket have " Void | 6•7•8 " at the bottom? If not, I'll do a clone. If so, I'll replace the cover scan with one from my copy, if that's OK by you.<br />
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Also, would you please check the authorship of "Creator", starting on page 57. My copy has it as just David Lake. If you agree, I'll add a line with the new authorship / remove old record / adjust vt/duplicate/...<br />
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ditto "Nemaluk and the Star-Stone", page 77. I have Frank Bryning. ditto re fix.<br />
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ditto "What Evil Must Do", page 153. I have L. Godfrey, not Lynette. ditto re fix.<br />
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I'd also like to put, in the Pub Series field, "Void magazine"; plus "6•7•8" in the Pub Series # field. ("Void magazine" not "Void" in the Pub Series is from what I've read & a long story.)<br />
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Thanks --[[User:Clarkmci|clarkmci / j_clark]] 06:33, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for finding this flawed image. I uploaded a corrected compression of the scan. And thanks for fixing those author credits. Agree with all. As for "6•7•8", no, that string does not appear on either jacket or book of my copy. I don't know a reason for the difference. In case you enter a variant, then FWIW boards of mine are brown cloth, stamped in gilt on spine with same text as spine of jacket. The ISBN is on the copyright page, but not on the jacket. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:07, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for responding so quickly. Very interesting about the cover difference - I suspect it's to do with the Void magazine connection I mentioned above. As I understand it, subscribers to Void mag. got this instead of issues 6, 7, 8. <br />
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::I'll make the author fixes; then clone for my cover variant, putting the Pub Series stuff in my pub record. --[[User:Clarkmci|clarkmci / j_clark]] 08:40, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Done. --[[User:Clarkmci|clarkmci / j_clark]] 09:25, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Good edits. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:32, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Aspects of Science Fiction'' ==<br />
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If your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3213 this publication] has an ISBN, then it can't be the 1959 edition. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:55, 28 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Fixed: moved that ISBN to a mention in pub note. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Stories (Yefremov) ==<br />
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Hi, I linked your 1954 edition to [https://www.worldcat.org/title/stories/oclc/823751196 OCLC 823751196].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:42, 5 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Artist signature ==<br />
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We don't use the signature as a basis to credit cover art unless it can be identified as that of a known artist. I will hold the submission to update my verified record in order for you to identify the artist. Otherwise, just a note providing the signature is sufficient without a cover art record being created. The standard is explained [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Cover_Art here]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:08, 11 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:OK. Cancelled that edit, and submitted new edit with just the Pub Note. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:50, 12 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Long Haul From the ANNALS OF TRANSPORTATION, The Pacific Monthly, May 2009 ==<br />
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Could you please add your opinion to [[User_talk:Herzbube#The_Long_Haul_From_the_ANNALS_OF_TRANSPORTATION.2C_The_Pacific_Monthly.2C_May_2009|this discussion]] on my talk page? Thanks, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 11:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Replied on your talk page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:21, 14 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Eleventh Galaxy Reader ==<br />
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Could you please check the title of the introduction on page 1 of {{P|39089|this pub}} that you verified? I'm asking because in {{P|284016|the SFBC edition}} the introduction appears with this title:<br />
Introduction: How to Spot the Good Ones<br />
Thanks for looking. Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 22:41, 16 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch! Thanks. Submitted edit to fix. Note that I'm not appending "(book title)" as http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1995079. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:49, 17 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Unnumbered and Roman numbered? ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?560836 this publication]: How is the page count possible? Bracketed numbers in the page count field indicate the number of ''unnumbered'' pages. If the pages are Roman numbered, then they're entered without brackets. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:14, 19 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry. Typo. Fixed. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:51, 19 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Quantum Night ==<br />
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I added the author's note and the "further reading" essay to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556917 this verified pub]. Also added a note about the cover art. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 19:55, 25 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:53, 26 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories ==<br />
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I've added the Reginald number, and linked the Worldcat and LCCN numbers for Wells' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53755 The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:18, 7 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== James Burns ==<br />
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Hello, the artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573122 this pub] is given as per your notes as "James" Burns. We clearly should consider this as typo. I've corrected the data. If you're not OK with the changes, just tell me, I'll revert them. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:55, 10 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:That's fine. I never encountered this situation before, so just entered the name as it appeared. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:54, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Nebula Awards 20 ==<br />
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Added a artist credit to your PV'd copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?209485 Nebula Awards 20]. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 01:51, 12 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== 28 Science Fiction Stories of H. G. Wells ==<br />
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Hi, I imported content for your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?562992 28 Science Fiction Stories of H. G. Wells].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 22:56, 29 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
== Science Fiction & Reader's Guide ==<br />
Hi. I added the glossary (which appears to belong only to the Lancelot Biggs story) to the listing because it's sf and is listed in the TOC, if that's okay with you. <br />
Also, I was thinking of changing the two excerpt stories to variants instead because they're really shorter stories on their own with beginning and end, if that's okay with you. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 06:33, 3 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello. I'm fine with addition of "Glossary" as an essay, but have some recommendations:<br />
::- This glossary is not in 'Lancelot Biggs: Spaceman' (I'm pv for that book), so the title should be "Glossary (Science Fiction and Reader's Guide)".<br />
::- There no author credit for the this glossary, so author should be "uncredited". It's not implausible that the editors of this "Children's Hour" book wrote the Glossary for their younger readership. A possible proof point: I noted the editors excised an instance of "damn" from Bond's original text.<br />
::- Suggest adding a Pub Note about the footnote on page 70 ("See glossary, page 141")which ties the Glossary to Bond's story.<br />
:Regarding changing the excerpts to variants:<br />
::- Re: 'Mars and Miss Pickerell' I have to ask: make it a variant of what? AFAIK, the source material was only previously published within http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?422827, and I didn't think a piece of short fiction could be a variant of a novel.<br />
::- Re: 'Lancelot Biggs on the Saturn', you're right. It's the first story in the fix-up novel http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19896 (pages 9-40.) Do you know the title under which this story was originally published? If so, then agree it should be a variant of that story title. If you don't know its original title, then I may be able to figure that out with some research. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:15, 3 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Best SF Two ==<br />
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Can you check your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4150 Best SF Two] for the credit of the Heinlein and Simak stories? My third printing is missing the middle initials. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 09:09, 11 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:You're right: no middle initials in author credits for those 2 stories. Good catch. I'll fix my listing. Thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:44, 11 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I'll fix the unverified publications. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 19:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Collector's Book of Science Fiction by H.G. Wells ==<br />
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Hi. Regarding your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37319 The Collector's Book of Science Fiction by H.G. Wells], the content on p.vii should be "Herbert George Wells: A Biographical Note" and should be merged with the identical title in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?583318 this pub] as far as I can see. As it is now it's merged with the two other dated titles that have "H.G." not "Herbert G."<br><br />
I think if you follow the page rules, this should have vii+514+[1] since you've added the Bibliographical Note as content on an unnumbered page.<br><br />
Also, I've checked the interiorart contents on this same pub version and it seems accurate. Do you mind if I add it to your pub? Thanks, Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 01:16, 13 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catches! Made the fixes. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:50, 13 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
::No prob. But it looks like you deleted the Bibliographic Note on what would be p.[515]. That's fine but now you don't need the +[1] anymore, as I read it, because you don't have content that needs to be indexed. Confusing? Not much :) Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 03:18, 14 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Larry Sternig and William Campbell Gault ==<br />
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I'm looking into a new editor's revelation that Larry Sternig was a real person and collaborated with Gault on some things. In your verified {{P|34640|Teen-Age Space Adventures}} is a short story{{T|76975|Venusian Invader}}, credited to Sternig, and we have that as a variant of that same title but credited solely to Gault. Is there any other information in the book that might indicate whether Gault had any hand in it? I am pursuing the other pubs/verifiers. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:07, 29 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Only credit is to Sternig. No reference to Gault in the book. I don't recall making the connection to Gault, so must have already been in the stub I edited. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:14, 29 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Gigantic Worlds ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission but was wondering if the "untitled" pieces shouldn't be disambiguated (note that there are even two by the same author).[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 07:57, 10 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good point. Submitted edit to fix. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:54, 10 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Nebula Awards Showcase: 2009 ==<br />
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I added a response to your comment at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#Nebula Awards Showcase: 2009]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 15:15, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''More Tales from the Forbidden Planet'' ==<br />
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I'd like to change the page numbering on our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294745 More Tales from the Forbidden Planet] from [xii]+268 to [4]+268+[8]. There are actually no Roman numerals on the leading pages, so according to point 3 under Pages in the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages New Pub Help] it should be Arabic numbers appearing within the brackets. Also, counting back from the last page of the Introduction is only 4 pages – there's no need to record unnumbered pages before that. You have included in the contents Biographies from unnumbered page 269, so this should also appear in the total page numbering, totalling 8 pages. I'm happy to make the edits if you're not sure how to use the 'pipe' method to make sure all unnumbered contents appear in their correct place. Cheers. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 10:49, 19 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good edits! Yes, please go ahead and make them. (FWIW, that numbering was in the stub I edited ... but my bad for not catching it then.) Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:25, 19 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Translations of "The Horla" ==<br />
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As you surely know, back in the early days of the DB, different translations of the same story weren't given separate title records, but now this practice has changed. I'm about to sort the various English translations of Guy de Maupassant's "The Horla" into separate title records and wanted to consult you, as a primary verifier, before I do so. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?67969 Here] is the title record for all the publications that haven't been sorted yet, and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Vasha77/Translations_of_The_Horla here] is the list I made, of all the translations I know of (thirteen of them) and which publications belong to which. I hope you can contribute some more information. <br />
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You verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2648 Androids, Time Machines and Blue Giraffes]''; I believe it has the uncredited 1903 translation. Can you confirm that, by comparing the first paragraph of the story to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Vasha77/HorlaFirstParagraphs comparison page]? And then let me know what exact translator credit is given, if any. Also, does it have the subtitle "or Modern Ghosts" as that particular version sometimes does?<br />
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If you happen to have any of the other unsorted publications, information about them would be appreciated. Thank you very much for the help! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 05:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Wow. I admire the scholarship. Yes, you are correct: the version in 'Androids, Time Machines ...' has the first paragraph of the uncredited 1903 translation. There is no subtitle on the story's title page, but there is the following editor's note: "This story was first published on October 26, 1886 in 'Gil Blas', a French newspaper. A revised version was published the following year by Paul Ollendorff of Paris." Wish I could help with the other unsorted pubs, but I don't have any of them. Let me know if anything else I can do to help. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:16, 25 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing pub date for anthologies after Cole ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission for updating diverse anthologies. Please note that, as you're modifying data that is PVed, our etiquette requires that you notify the PV(s). Consider this done for me. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:32, 27 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Offerings ==<br />
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If it's OK with you, I'll start adding contents to Brom's Offerings [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 23:19, 14 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Are you kidding? I'd be delighted! I know how much work that's going to be, so a huge 'THANK YOU'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:25, 14 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Hugo Winners ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed that several publications of The Hugo Winners, e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?187417 this one], contain "Postscript (The Hugo Winners)" just before the appendix, but the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41813 1962 edition], which you verified, does not. Could you please check if this is correct? Thanks, [[User:Darkday|Darkday]] 23:27, 29 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. It isn't listed in Table of Contents, so I'd missed it. Just submitted edit to add. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:36, 29 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Uploading images ==<br />
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Hello, I'm just dropping a line to verify if you're aware that 1) the images that you're uploading are usually significantly heavier that those replaced (sometimes up to four times) which may prove problematic in the future (our diskspace is limited) and 2) that the "old" scans have to manually deleted by a moderator. It's up to you to see if the addition of the spine is worth the trouble. Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:37, 30 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
:I appreciate the guidance. I certainly don't want to make unnecessary work for moderators, but as a long-time book collector, I do think it's important to show spines on jackets. If the current 150K size limit for images fails to address future space concerns, then seems we should establish smaller limit on image size going forward. In the meantime, though, if I do an image replacement I'll scale it to the size of the replaced image to assure no net impact on storage. BTW, what is the funding model for this wiki? I've wondered about this since day 1. As Heinlein said, TANSTAAFL. If we have storage concerns, then seems we have funding concerns. I'd rather be part of the solution than part of the problem. :) Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks for your reply. For money matters, IIRC all come from the Ahasuerus' pockets. Some of us have already proposed to participate in the costs of the server (which are the only ones as all the rest is strictly on a volunteer basis), but it seemed not necesssary for now. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 07:05, 31 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Best American SFF 2015 ==<br />
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Hi, in ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585053 The Best American Science Fiction and Fantasy 2015]'', which you've verified, I changed the title of the story "Duniazat" to "Duniazát" as my copy has it. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 01:06, 31 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Heinlein's Assignment in Eternity ==<br />
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I added the Reginald number to the notes for Heinlein's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3239 Assignment in Eternity]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:11, 3 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Variants ==<br />
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Here are two possible variants:<br />
*{{T|56282|Game for Blondes}} from {{P|35919|The Best Science-Fiction Stories: 1953}} and {{T|2110208|A Game for Blondes}} from {{P|29427|Second Galaxy Reader of Science Fiction}}<br />
*{{T|56261|Star, Bright}} from {{P|26754|Prize Science Fiction}} and {{T|2110207|Star Bright}} from {{P|29427|Second Galaxy Reader of Science Fiction}}<br />
In each case, I would assume the stories are the same. As you have verified both pubs, would you mind double checking that and also the titles given in ''Second Galaxy Reader of Science Fiction'' since they are different from typical. Based on that, they should be varianted, merged, or notes added as applicable. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 02:05, 18 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Fixed. Thanks for catching this 'clean up' edit I'd missed when entering 2nd Galaxy Reader. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:44, 18 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Russell's Deep Space ==<br />
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I've added the Reginald number to Eric Frank Russell's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9730 Deep Space]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 00:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Mind Fields: The Art of Jacek Yerka, the Fiction of Harlan Ellison ==<br />
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I added a cover scan to your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82997 here]. I also added the individual artworks to the contents for the first printing of this pub, which you can import if you wish. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Looking Glass Library, Epstein & Carroll ==<br />
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You entered and PVerified 1960 ''The War of the Worlds'', Looking Glass Library #21, as publisher Epstein & Carroll, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?163 publication series LGL].<br />
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Yesterday I added the other Epstein & Carroll book in the database --1961 ''The Phantom Tollbooth'' 1st ed.-- learned something about E&C from Wikipedia and from bookdealer images of that book, and added all of our Notes on publisher [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?49530 publisher Epstein & Carroll].<br />
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We have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?34701 publisher Looking Glass Library] used by other editors for three 1959/60 books including one PVerified. None of those records mentions Epstein & Carroll in Notes but we have linked OCLC records that state "Looking Glass Library; distributed by Random House", presumably from the title page, which fits your Notes and suggests that Epstein & Carroll is named on the copyright page and only there.<br />
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I would like to revise your record as '''Publisher: Looking Glass Library''' and '''Catalog ID: #21''', parallel to the records of #9 and #18. Then complete cross-references and Notes at Publisher: LGL and Publ series: LGL, explaining the former relation to Epstein & Carroll and the latter restriction to later revival of the brand by Random House in its own name.<br />
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(In user space I have notes on the 1959-1961 series, which has about 10 more of its 28 titles in the database, based on this [http://www.lib.luc.edu/specialcollections/exhibits/show/gorey/looking-glass-library/looking-glass-3 Loyola University exhibition list].) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:57, 10 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Also in your record I would (as always) link LCCN: [https://lccn.loc.gov/60013060 60-013060]. That library record states "[Epstein and Carroll Associates]; distributed by Random House", unlike others; no doubt merely a variant way of deriving database field values from the same title and copyright pages.<br />
: At Amazon I found cover images for two 1959/61 LGL records that were needing them, so we now have all four. I am not adding LGL books until resolving the issue above.<br />
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: You note that the LGL is 'edited for "Age 11 up" readers, re-written in contemporary English, and slightly abridged for content.' I'll say that of ''War of the Worlds'' #21 in the publisher/series Notes and urge editors to look for that in other issues. <br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:51, 10 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::I can't verify that the "Age 11 up" note applies to all of the Looking Glass Library. I did verify my comments about abridgement and simplified, updated language by comparing the contents of this edition to the 'original' version in http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37319. Thanks for editing to add links to Looking Glass Library. Excellent research! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:27, 14 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== "Space Service" by Andre Norton ==<br />
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Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31447 verified publication] of the first edition of Space Service listed the story "The Specter General" as being by "Theodore Cogswell". It is listed in both the TOC and at the story title page as by "Theodore R. Cogswell", so I have corrected that entry. The story by Gordon Dickson was listed as being titled "The Steel Brother". It is listed in both the TOC and at the story as just "Steel Brother", so I have corrected that entry. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:17, 14 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Really appreciate the fixes, and the attention to detail. Good reminder for me to check everything in stubs I complete. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:15, 19 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Velocity ==<br />
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If you don't mind, I will add content to your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423435 Velocity] by Stephan Martiniere. I intend just to add the book cover art. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 00:41, 25 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for the edits, and the heads-up. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Best SF: 1972 ==<br />
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The change in your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4206 Best SF: 1972] was an HTML tag closing - you had your link closing with <nowiki><a> instead of </a></nowiki>. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:11, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== "Confessions of a Tyrant('s) Double" ==<br />
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Hi, in your verified publication ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363738 The New and Perfect Man (Postscripts #24/25)]'', you have "Confessions of a Tyrant Double" on page 187 -- is that actually how the title appears? elsewhere it is "Tyrant's". --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 03:45, 21 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to Maupassant pubs ==<br />
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I am once again working on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Vasha77/Translations_of_The_Horla sorting out translations of "The Horla"], so if you are notified of changes to any publications that involve Guy de Maupassant, that is what it is in regard to. I believe I haven't made any alterations that go beyond the information you provided the last time I queried you about these publications, but if you notice I've made a mistake, please do let me know. The only major thing I did was to separate out the translations revised by Dora Knowlton Ranous from the general uncredited translations. Otherwise, I just changed notes and dates. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 08:38, 24 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A batch of nongenre stories - if you disagree please comment ==<br />
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Currently there are numerous non-genre horror stories that are in the database because it's natural to just enter a book of horror or "tales of terror" without figuring out which stories are supernatural. I don't intend to systematically hunt for them, but when I spot one, I like to mark it nongenre. (In the case of classic stories, marking is better than removing it from the database because it'll just get re-added with some new anthology.) At the moment, I've spotted the following stories that I think need such a change, and I'm consulting people who have them in their verified pubs.<br />
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Firstly, there's ''Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural'' (verified copies: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517709 (1)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289442 (2)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?415777 (3)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?435921 (4)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366609 (5)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?446362 (6)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?577863 (7)]), which contains "A Terribly Strange Bed," "The Three Strangers," "The Most Dangerous Game," "Leiningen Versus the Ants," "A Rose for Emily," "Taboo," and undoubtedly other non-supernatural ones that I'm not noticing at the moment. Here are verified publications for those and some other stories:<br />
* "Taboo" by Geoffrey Household - An eastern European community is terrorized by a series of murders. The mystery is solved, but the terror, and other psychological effects, linger on. Non-supernatural - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249393 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359537 The Dark of the Soul]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451254 The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253539 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375537 Griezelverhalen 2]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516539 Van Lichtelijk Luguber tot Meedogenloos Macaber]<br />
* "A Rose for Emily" by William Faulkner - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rose_for_Emily#Plot_summary SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?333722 Classic Tales of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37873 The Dark Descent]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205381 The Dark Descent]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191317 The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293237 The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413748 The Lucifer Society]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196813 The Medusa in the Shield]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359245 The Giant Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?591258 The Oxford Book of Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43731 American Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2399 American Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472269 The Golden Argosy]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?403273 Vóór Middernacht: De Beste Griezelverhalen]<br />
* "A Terribly Strange Bed" by Wilkie Collins - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Terribly_Strange_Bed SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369520 Tales of Terror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?368071 Tales of Terror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326642 Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326754 Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294185 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233089 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?306036 Nightfrights]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517776 Nightfrights]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386608 Adventure Stories for Girls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369352 Horror by Lamplight]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346979 The Wordsworth Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189037 Mad Monkton and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413840 Masterpieces of Mystery in Four Volumes]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18059 In the Grip of Terror]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514839 Van Edgar Allan Poe tot Roald Dahl]<br />
* "The Three Strangers" by Thomas Hardy - [http://klasikfanda.blogspot.com/2012/07/short-story-three-strangers-by-thomas.html SUMMARY] - http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472269 The Golden Argosy]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?424385 Tellers of Tales]<br />
* "Leiningen Versus the Ants" by Carl Stephenson - A lurid and much exaggerated account of army ants, but not intended to be taken as speculative, I feel sure - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451254 The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383522 The Big Book of Adventure Stories]<br />
* "The Most Dangerous Game" by Richard Connell -[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Dangerous_Game SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558649 Early September]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?416364 Psychos]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?302214 The Ghouls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291549 The Ghouls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?512071 Alfred Hitchcock's Spellbinders in Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394763 Stories and Storytellers]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573152 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23955 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383522 The Big Book of Adventure Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375279 Verhalen die Hitchcock Koos]<br />
* "Lamb to the Slaughter" by Roald Dahl - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_to_the_Slaughter#Plot_summary SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?176041 Someone Like You (Dell)]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322881 Lamb to the Slaughter and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?480807 Tales of the Unexpected]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?471509 Someone Like You (Livre de Poche)]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?537122 Rakkaani, kyyhkyläiseni / Joku kaltaisesi]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?533499 Lammkeule und andere Geschichten]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371205 M'n Liefje, M'n Duifje]<br />
* "Contents of the Dead Man's Pockets" by Jack Finney - [http://www.elacommoncorelessonplans.com/contents-of-the-dead-mans-pocket-lesson-plans-summary-analysis.html SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180273 The Third Level]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258702 The Clock of Time]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258701 The Clock of Time]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301201 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33359 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439201 The Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301712 The First Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573152 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23955 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375537 Griezelverhalen 2]<br />
* "Two Bottles of Relish" by Lord Dunsany - One of Dunsany's few non-speculative crime stories. [https://cgrishikesh.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/lord-dunsany-two-bottles-of-relish/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?64784 In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588045 In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17298 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17297 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444547 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257830 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 The Unexpected]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9463 Death]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?344994 Masterpieces of Horror]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251144 Owls' Watch]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34443 Tall Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301201 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33359 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [Stories for the Dead of Night http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249393]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253539 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503597 Nacht en Ontij]<br />
* "A Note for the Milkman" by Sidney Carroll - [https://tentoinfinity.com/2013/06/05/a-note-for-the-milkman-by-sidney-carroll/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51648 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193021 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193049 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251425 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180161 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251424 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251426 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263437 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444141 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503597 Nacht en Ontij]<br />
* "The Cone" by H. G. Wells - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cone SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304364 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?574053 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439345 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495929 A Harvest of Horrors]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288845 The Time Machine: An Invention and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360304 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426598 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426599 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331258 Selected Short Stories of H. G. Wells]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?524428 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285926 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352106 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338206 Complete Short Story Omnibus]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37475 The Cone]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?575308 Works of H. G. Wells]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420004 The Country of the Blind and Other Selected Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404370 Der gestohlene Bazillus und andere Geschichten]<br />
* "The Lodger" by Marie Belloc Lowndes - [https://margotkinberg.wordpress.com/2013/06/10/in-the-spotlight-marie-bellocc-lowndes-the-lodger/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18836 Jack the Knife]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27604 Red Jack]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233089 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294185 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; <br />
* "The Terrapin" by Patricia Highsmith - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terrapin SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301711 The Twelfth Pan Book of Horror Stories]<br />
Are there any of those stories you think ARE genre? [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 15:04, 30 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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ADDENDUM: Discussion moved to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Nongenre_stories:_attempt_at_a_roundup Community Portal]. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 00:47, 31 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Four Thousand, The Eight Hundred ==<br />
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Moved the OCLC number from the notes to the new external identifier in our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588412 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:33, 30 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== LCCNs ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your changes to {{P|603503|Spaceman of Bohemia}}, but I made a small change to the notes. A recent new feature is "External IDs", where things like LCCNs should be listed. You supply the number and type, and the software provides organization and links. So I moved the LCCN out of the notes and into the External IDs. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:55, 3 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Cool! Thanks for tip on this new feature. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:24, 4 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:: Reminder about that feature - you just added an LCCN number in the notes of {{P|250594|Lost Cities and Vanished Civilizations}}. I accepted the change (because there were other notes in the submission) but then edited it to move the LCCN number to the new field. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:56, 8 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The SFWA Grand Masters, Volume One ==<br />
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Added cover artist and a couple of notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46928 The SFWA Grand Masters, Volume One].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 22:35, 3 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Karel Čapek's R.U.R. ==<br />
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I'm in the process of correcting Karel Čapek's last name from Capek to Čapek. In nearly all cases we had his name incorrectly listed without the hachek over the C. I've gone ahead and changed the title record for the play ''R. U. R.'' which is included in your verified copy of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48818 The Treasury of Science Fiction Classics]''. Could you check your copy to see if how his name appears in the book. If it is Čapek, then nothing further needs to be done. Otherwise, we need to swap the title in your book for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2218755 this one]. This also assumes that the translation in your copy is by Paul Selver alone. There is a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1314645 different translation] by Selver and Nigel Playfair as by Karel Čapek. If your copy has some other combination of translator, name and title, we may need to add a new title record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:58, 19 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Could you also check his credit for "System" in ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21649 Masterpieces of Science Fiction]''. If it is "Capek", it's probably safe to change it at the title level, since in only appears in reprints of the Moskowitz collection. Also let me know how the credit of his brother appears. I'd like to make the same change to his brother's name after I've finished cleaning up the Karel records. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:03, 20 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::I will do these checks ... but heads-up that my library is boxed-up for a move, and these books probably won't be accessible until mid-September. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:09, 28 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Julie Dillon's Imagined Realms, Book 1 ==<br />
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I added an interior art content item for your verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?564521 Julie Dillon's Imagined Realms, Book 1]''. She received a Chelsey nomination and I wanted to link the award to that title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:38, 8 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Thx! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:01, 8 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Three for Tomorrow ==<br />
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I accepted your addition of the LCCN to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51210 Three for Tomorrow] and then edited to move it to the new field. The changes are: "Moving the LCCN into the new fields; moving the OCLC and using a template to leave it back in the note (needed for the clarification)." Can you please use the new External IDs fields when adding LCCN? Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:41, 10 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Thx for the edit & for the reminder to use the new fields. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:02, 10 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== HTML tags ==<br />
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I noticed in a few of your recent submissions, that when you need to add a <nowiki><ul></nowiki> tag to start a list (at the beginning of the notes field), you add a <nowiki><ul/></nowiki> instead. Some tags, such as br for example, can get a / at the end and still be valid, but "ul" is not one of them - its closing element is always at the end after all the "li" tags. I just fixed in in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?159181 here] this evening after approving your update. I am not sure if you are using a weird template or if it is a technical mistake but wanted to bring that to your attention. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:42, 11 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Just habit, from early days of writing HTML when it was required by some parsers. I'll try to break the habit. :) Thx for correction. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:33, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:: I remember those days and the "if IE, else" kind of web development and each new browser was making up their own standards :) If the approving moderator does not see it (there is no indication unless if you examine the html manually from a different screen), it pops on a report - this is where I saw some earlier. So they will get fixed sooner or later - but the way the server is built, any html irregularities can have interesting side effects on the view of that specific book. Thanks for trying to break the habit! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:44, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::: One issue solved, another developed: there was the opposite problem in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?615446 here]. The one at the start should be ul, the one at the end /ul :) This time you had "ul" in both places - edited and fixed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::Just a typo this time. Doh! :) Thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:54, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It is kinda funny in the context of the conversation above though. I hate typos. And I do a lot of them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:07, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Entering contents of "best-of" anthologies ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission and made the necessary merges afterwards. In order to save you what I suppose is a lot of typing, you may perhaps use the "Import Content" function at publication level. By using the bottom part of the screen, you'll be able to enter only the list of titles IDs (e.g. "2029359" for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2029359 this story]). Of course, when "new" variants may be in order, you'll still have to enter them manually. Another very interesting effect is that the titles would be automatically merged saving a lot of submissions and/or approvals. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:43, 17 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:VERY useful tip! Didn't know about that editing tool. You're right: would have saved a lot of typing. :) Thx! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:58, 17 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Alternative Truths ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?615942 Alternative Truths]''. My question is about the change of the name of the two essays. Of course, the ultimate edit is fine. However, I can't think of a reason that the ebook edition should have those titles with "(Alternate Truths)". It's probably an easier edit to update the two title records for the essays individually which could be done in two edits. Otherwise, you'll have to delete the "Alternate" records from both the tp pub and the ebook and import the new titles to the ebook. Or you could delete them from the tp and then merge each of the titles individually keeping the correct title. Either results in more edits than editing the two essay records. The only other issue is that you also have some note updates. I can approve your original edit, if you don't want to re-enter those, or at a minimum we can leave the edit held to make it easier to re-enter the note edit. Let me know how you'd like to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:48, 16 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, Ron. Although there's no reason to assume the ebook's essays are actually mis-titled "Alternate" instead of "Alternative", I don't have the ebook so can't verify. However, if you prefer, I can edit the essay title records rather than the print book listing. I just saved a copy of my notes edit for the book, so can also re-submit those separately if you wish. Your call. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:03, 17 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::Actually, Amazon's [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0718YNJ97?ie=UTF8&tag=isfdb-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325 look inside] will get you the title "pages" for those two essays. Since the parenthetical portion of the title is for disambiguation and doesn't appear in the book, we would have been safe to assume that the correction would apply to both editions even if we couldn't see those pages. Please go ahead and edit the two essay records directly and resubmit your notes. I'll go ahead and cancel the original edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:07, 17 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Men and Machines ==<br />
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You uploaded a cover image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21894 Men and Machines] back in 2011. The cover of my copy is exactly the same, except for the publisher on the bottom of the spine. Yours has "Hawthorn", mine has "Meredith Press". Is it possible that your cover comes from another edition, not in the database? I will be replacing the cover image in a week or so, Thanks for checking, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:24, 18 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, agree you should replace image of my 'Hawthorn' jacket with your 'Meredith' jacket. I've moved recently, and it will be weeks before I can un-box and re-shelf my library. Once I'm able, I'll check my 2 copies of this book and enter a variant record for the Hawthorn version. Thanks for catching this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::Image is replaced. Thanks for the fast response. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:54, 19 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Instrumentality of Mankind ==<br />
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I added the publication date to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185497 pub] and a note explaining the source of the information. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:17, 28 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fiction Writer's Market Place and Sourcebook ==<br />
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re {{P|29190|Science Fiction Writer's Market Place and Sourcebook}}: I accepted your edit, but then restored "Market Place" as two words and also rejected your title edit. Per your pub notes, it's "Market Place" on the title page and we credit per the title page. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:53, 12 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== ''Rogues'' ==<br />
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In your verified publication ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442428 Rogues]'' there's a story titled "Ill-Seen in Tyre" which I've marked non-genre based on the description of it on its author's website. Please correct me if I'm wrong about that. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:38, 15 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Nebula Awards 29 ==<br />
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Updated the notes and publication date for the HC edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23494 Nebula Awards 29]. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 13:26, 16 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Antoni Garcés ==<br />
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In your publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391124 The Ray Bradbury Chronicles, Volume 4] you have an interior art credit to "Garces." Could you check if that is actually "Garcés," and make a note of the spelling? Thanks! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 19:58, 31 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:No accent on the "e" and no first name, it's just "Garces" 3 places: jacket front, jacket back, and interior title page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:01, 1 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Cover Uploads ==<br />
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Hello, please remember that when, you re-upload a cover (like you did for the Bradbury titles), the older version stays archived on our server and uses some precious disk space. The older version must be deleted manually, and IIRC by a moderator a I'm not sure that contributors are allowed to delete them. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:21, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:OK ... is there something I can do myself to delete the old version ... or is there something I can do to help a moderator do this? Reason I'm replacing images is that many of my early postings were done with an old photo editor which did a bad job of compression, so the images are too large, grainy, and contain visual artifacts that aren't actually in the jacket/cover art. Let me know if that's not worth fixing, and I'll stop doing it. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:45, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::I noticed the poor quality of the replaced images, that's why I didn't delete the new ones (tehre are contributors that, because they do not refresh their browser, upload Nth times the same image). I don't know if you can delete them yourself (see if there is some kind of "Delete" link at the bottom of the image wiki page in the "File history" box). Some contributors use [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#delete_an_image The Help Desk] but there are rare. As there are very few moderators that take the time to scan the upload logs, that's why I messaged you. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 01:55, 3 February 2018 (EST)<br />
:::Nope, no "delete", just a "revert" option, e.g. http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:WYFRMHN1947.jpg#filehistory. You say "the older version stays archived on our server". That may have made sense at some point in the past, but if the wiki's disk space is getting scarce and/or expensive, then seems sensible to change that behavior, and to delete archived images. Let me know if anything else I can do or try. In meantime, I'll stop replacing old images until/unless we sort this out. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:56, 3 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Tangled Lands ==<br />
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I'm wondering, do you think [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646553 The Tangled Lands] should be a COLLECTION rather than an ANTHOLOGY? Probably it should be a NOVEL. The Help says, "A publication containing two or more works of SHORTFICTION or POEMs by a single author or authors writing in collaboration should be typed as a COLLECTION. The typing of individual publications which contain works with various combinations of author credit should be discussed on the Community Portal on a case-by-case basis. The title page credit should be the major factor in determining the types of these kinds of publications." However, the blurb describes it as "a fantasy novel told in four parts" and even though the authors took turns writing the parts there is a strong element of collaboration. I think this should be discussed on the Community Portal but I wanted to give you a heads-up because you verified it. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 23:13, 9 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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:No prob moving this discussion to the Community Portal, if there's no established standard for this type of work. You can initiate that post today if you wish ... or I'll initiate it tomorrow if you'd prefer. Here are relevant data points:<br />
::- Awards: should consider how Locus, Nebula, Hugo will treat 'The Tangled Lands'. I anticipate they'll treat it as an anthology, and will consider the two new novellas as separate works. I'll drop an email to Tom Whitmore to see if he has any insight into this. Know anyone else we might ping?<br />
::- Novel: here are 2 examples of collaborative novels: The Mongoliad (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?31922) & Indigo (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2245643). Neither is organized as single-author stories.<br />
::- Anthology: in addition to the audio book I noted, there's also Medea (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?29606).<br />
::- Collection: I don't know of any example of a multi-author work categorized as a "collection". Do you?<br />
:[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:55, 10 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::: Several round-robin multi-author novels are entered as NOVEL, e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2010167 Bookburners] and the Wild Cards novels (e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2275113 Mississippi Roll]). As for multi-author collections, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646132 Darkness Whispers]. Also see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2220963 In This Point of Stillness], a less clear case, described by one of the authors (Mercedes Yardley) as "a limited edition He Said/She Said microfiction collaboration with Dustin LaValley... Each story is quite short (as microfiction is) and they tend to twine together a bit." In other words, the He Said/She Said part of the description suggests that they wrote stories in turn; but it is entered as COLLECTION because of the "collaboration" part of the description and the "twining together" of the stories. <br />
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::: In any case, I would appreciate if you create a Community Portal post tomorrow. Thanks. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 12:49, 10 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::I sent email to locus@locusmag.org asking how they'll classify the book for next year's Locus Awards, and I posted a message to Tobias Buckell's site asking for the authors' preference. Unless you object, I'll hold off on the Community post for a while to see if/how either of them respond. FWIW, Tom Whitmore pointed out that the publisher, Saga Press, refers to the book as a "novel", but noted that's also how publishers referred to Asimov's "Foundation" books, which ISFDB classifies as "collections". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:43, 10 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::: Yes, thanks for doing that. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 15:02, 10 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::::Vasha, please change 'The Tangled Lands' to a collection. I'll do a post to Community Portal to share the responses I got from Locus & Tobias Buckell, which both recommended this classification for the book. And, it needs to be said: you were right. :) Thanks for pushing back. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:53, 21 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::Done. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 18:27, 21 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy: 2016 Edition ==<br />
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Hello, I've corrected a few things in our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?564538 here] (<i>AIR</i> for Ryman, <i>Hemorrhage</i> for Lee, comma for Brenchley) and made appropriate variants. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:18, 15 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for the cleanup edits! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:41, 15 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== World of Wonder ==<br />
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I am currently sorting out different Kafka translations from each other. Could you look inside your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585886 World of Wonder] and see if it says who translated "Metamorphosis"? Thanks a lot. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:48, 19 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Copyright for this story on the "Acknowledgments" page is "copyright by Vanguard Press, 1946", so it's A.L. Lloyd's translation from http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500664. Want me to add this info to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34962 and/or my verified http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585886? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:18, 19 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: Yes, please add the translator info to both eds of World of wonder, and unmerged those novella records t from "translator unknown" and merge them with the 1946 Lloyd record instead. Thanks. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 16:13, 19 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::Un-merged, and just submitted merge with Lloyd translation. Let me know if need to do any other changes. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:56, 20 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Tangled Lands ==<br />
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Added OCLC to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646553 our verified] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:12, 21 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Pretty Monsters ==<br />
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Your verified publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260060 Pretty Monsters] had the title "Pretty Monsters: Stories" but I removed the subtitle because it's usual to not include low-information subtitles like "Stories" or "A Novel" in the database. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:02, 23 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I've seen it both ways, so was unclear on our standard. Good to know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:55, 29 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Resolution ==<br />
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We actually have a type for graphic stories - you enter is as short story and then once approved, there is a checkbox for that (the same way we have for novelization, juvenile and non-genre). I fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2382615 this one]. Should I remove the interior art you added? or keep it there to keep the art credit on the author? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:15, 12 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Good to know. If convenient, please remove the interiorart item. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:18, 12 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: It had been kicked out from the publication and then deleted (as it now did not belong anywhere) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:22, 12 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
::: About your question [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3865458 here] - yep, that is exactly the way to do that :) Thanks for making the variant! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:06, 12 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Orbit 20 ==<br />
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Hi, I plan to add this note to your verified publication Orbit 20 <br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25115<br />
"The copyright registration shows a publication date of March 8, 1978" [[User:PatConolly|PatConolly]] 19:21, 25 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Kepler's Somnium ==<br />
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Hi. I get you to double check the title of "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?69129 Somnium (excerpt)]" on page 65 of Derleth's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4426 Beyond Time and Space]'' E.F. Bleiler, the translator, lists it in his ''Science-Fiction: The Early Years'' as having the title "Somnium; or The Astronomy of the Moon: An Allegory of Science". He also doesn't mention that it is an excerpt. We have the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2391142 story] listed separately from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2391143 notes]. The story is quite short, so I suspect the translation may be complete. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:03, 29 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Clute/Nicholls describes the translation as cut, so it does look like it is an excerpt. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:01, 30 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
::I keep finding more information. I hadn't read far enough in the review in ''Science-Fiction: The Early Years''. Bleiler does state that his translation is "limited to the basic document, with such of Kepler's notes as might interest a layman or explain points in the narrative." I think it might be appropriate to make it a variant of the story. Are the notes presented separately? If so, we could add another title for the abridged notes. If not, we could probably cover this with a note on the title record for this translation. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:46, 30 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::On the title page, the story title in large, bold type is "Somnium: or The Astronomy of the Moon". Below that are two lines in smaller italicized type: "An Allegory of Science, by Johannes Kepler" and "Translated by Everett F. Bleiler". Kepler's notes are embedded in the story as footnotes, so I would recommend they not be listed separately. I believe the story is complete, since it is presented as a dream and ends with the dreamer awakening. For the story title, I'd recommend using just the part in large bold type. The other two lines appear to be informational … and note that I included that information in the title record by quoting Derleth's introduction to the story. I'll go ahead and make the title edit as I've suggested. If you think it should also include the other two informational lines, please make that change. (BTW, apologies for delayed response. Been offline traveling for couple of weeks.) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:10, 2 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Planned Project Scope Expansion ==<br />
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(I am leaving this note on the Talk pages of some of the more active editors to make sure that we are not missing anything. If you have been following [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this Rules and Standards discussion] and agree with the proposal, please ignore this note.)<br />
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As per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this discussion], [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] is about to be expanded to include:<br />
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* Speculative ''fiction'' webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues<br />
* Special speculative ''fiction'' issues of non-genre webzines<br />
* One time speculative ''fiction'' anthologies published on the Web<br />
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If you believe that this scope expansion may cause unforeseen and/or undesirable consequences, please share your thoughts on the Rules and Standards page. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:22, 4 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Leese Webster ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you check the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308334 your verified]. The original notes were attributing some of the data to OCLC (not specifying which part of the data); your current note attributes the month to it. However [http://www.worldcat.org/title/leese-webster/oclc/4775137 this record] does not say anything about a month. So - would you like to add the OCLC number and do the secondary verification and change the note not to point to OCLC for the month? Alternatively, just edit the notes to remove any reference to OCLC. Or is there another OCLC number that has the month? If so, can we add it? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:55, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:There's no pub month in the book itself. The sept reference was already in the ISFDB record, along with the pub notes referencing Locus #226 & OCLC … so I left all of that in assuming it was already verified info. Amazon says pub month was October. Want to make that authoritative? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:28, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: I am not arguing the month - just the note. The original message was crediting all the info about the book to OCLC and Locus. When you edited it after adding the details from your own book, it now implies that Locus and OCLC have the month as this is all you credit to the secondary sources. OCLC does not contain a month of publication. Hope this makes my message clearer. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:38, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::Got it. Submitted edit to fix. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:16, 7 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Rogues ==<br />
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Added cover artist to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442428 Rogues].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 19:12, 3 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Seetee Shock ==<br />
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{{P|305011|This publication}} is listed as by Jack Williamson, but the cover says Will Stewart. A review for this version says it was published under the Stewart pen name. There is no publication note stating the title page is different than the cover. Would you please double check the credit? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:15, 15 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Good catch. Thanks! I missed that when editing the stub. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:42, 16 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Future Perfect ==<br />
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{{P|14893|Future Perfect}} has two cover records, but no statement explaining that. Is this intentional (separate front and back covers) or an error? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:59, 14 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Not intentional, just an error. Just submitted edit to delete the redundant cover credit. Thanks for the catch! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:14, 17 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
::To get rid of the extra, need to use "Remove Titles From This Pub" vs. editing the pub. I have taken care of it. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:31, 17 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks for the tip, and for editing! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:27, 18 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Stories for Chip ==<br />
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I just noticed that in the Amazon preview of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517781 Stories for Chip] which you verified, the table of contents shows the title on page 65 as "Fantasy Coffin" but at the head of the actual story, it is "Fantasy Coffins." The former is what's in the database. Could you check what's in the book and change it if necessary? Thanks --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha (cazadora de tildes)]] 20:50, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:Wow, great catch (a single-character typo! :) Submitted edits to correct. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:35, 28 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Up the Walls of the World ==<br />
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You wrote: «I've submitted edit to Pub Notes. In particular, I'm noting that there is no statement of edition or printing on the copyright page, and no printing gutter code in the book, which I've verified in 2 copies.»<br />
: You're right about the copyright page, and yes, there is no gutter code. Printing information is given on the front flap of the dustjacket: '7802'. I could not see your submission b.t.w. Many thanks for your compliments about my Farmer Bibliography. [[User:Zlan52|Zlan52]] 19:30, 16 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Election Day 2084: Science Fiction Stories About the Future of Politics ==<br />
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Would you mind taking a look at [[User_talk:SFJuggler#Election_Day_2084:_Science_Fiction_Stories_About_the_Future_of_Politics|this discussion]]? While it's about the hc, it would be good to check the {{P|259665|tp version}} as well. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:18, 31 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Invaders of Earth ==<br />
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Added note to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18482 Invaders of Earth].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 14:23, 1 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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== "Characters in the Margins of a Lost Notebook," in Stories for Chip is not an essay. ==<br />
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I tried to make an edit to change "Characters in the Margins of a Lost Notebook" from ESSAY to SHORTSTORY, but because you're a primary verifier, I think it needs your approval. Can you have a look at it? Thanks! http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4192010<br />
--[[User:Greg Hullender|Greg Hullender]] 11:31, 11 February 2019 (EST)<br />
:::Great catch, Greg. Thanks! Right way to fix is to change the title record, which corrects all appearances (in this case, both the hc & tp versions of 'Stories for Chip'.) I went ahead and submitted that edit, so you can just cancel your edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:57, 11 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== ISBN ==<br />
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Hi, I replaced the ISBN's for both [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2511196 Sunspot Jungle, Volume One] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2511966 Sunspot Jungle, Volume Two] with their actual ISBN. These ISBNs will connect you to the right titles on both Amazon and WorldCat. The original sISBN as supplied by you -which no doubt is also to be found in/on the books- connects you to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?523557 The End of the World Is Rye], both on Amazon and on WOrldCat.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 06:05, 20 February 2019 (EST)<br />
:THANKS! Great fix. I've edited the Title Notes and Pub Notes for the 2 books. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:31, 20 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Books of Earthsea ==<br />
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In your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?678150 The Books of Earthsea], there is a note stating there is an error in some page numbers. There really is not; it is simply that the color plates used as frontispieces for each of the six "books" have no page numbers. The first page of the books, with the title and a B&W illustration each, are the page numbers given in the toc. The last Roman numbered page is xii. I'll depend on Ofeara to fix the page numbers and note. I'm going to add a scan of the cover, a note saying there are 6 color plates on unnumbered pages acting as frontispieces for each volume included, and that the front and rear endpapers have the cover illustration on the left hand panel. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:07, 25 February 2019 (EST)<br />
:OK, thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:54, 25 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Fearn's Liners of Time ==<br />
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Could I get you to double check the publisher of John Russell Fearn's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?314763 Liners of Time]''. We have it listed as "Kingswood", but I'm pretty sure that it should be [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?22005 World's Work] which happens to be located in Kingswood, Surrey. It's listed as World's Work in several of the secondary sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:57, 5 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch! Missed that when I originally edited the stub. Corrected. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:05, 13 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Our World in Space ==<br />
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For the essays in {{P|723198|Our World in Space}}, do they actually have "(Our World in Space)" as part of the title? We only add the book title to generic essay titles (Foreword, Introduction). If an essay has a non-generic title, only the title is entered. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:11, 14 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:No, I added the book title to the essay titles, thinking they were generic. If that's improper, leave off the parenthetical book title. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:25, 14 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:See that you already added the record. I'll edit the essay titles. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:26, 14 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. Changes accepted. Is the "Mars" essay in this book the same as the one in your verified {{P|46566|The Science Fictional Solar System}}? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:59, 14 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::Good catch! No, it's not the same. I submitted title notes for both essays. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:10, 15 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Postscripts ==<br />
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I'm not sure what the problem is, perhaps because I don't know what edits you are trying to make. I added some notes and had no problem. I'm guessing that the problem is related to the specific edit(s); what are you trying to do? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 11:10, 16 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Uh … doh! I added an essay, but didn't notice the type was 'editor' instead of 'essay'. Fixed & submitted. Sorry to bother you. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:16, 16 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::Done the same thing myself, glad you worked it out. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 22:05, 16 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Luna: New Moon ==<br />
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Added interior art credit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?529389 Luna: New Moon][[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:31, 21 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Pulphouse: The Hardback Magazine, Issue 4: Summer 1989 ==<br />
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For the cover artist credit on {{P|60095|Pulphouse: The Hardback Magazine, Issue 4: Summer 1989}}, the artist's 'middle' name is usually given as "Duram". See {{A|Jacqualynn Duram-Nilsson}}. I would like to double check your credit before I make a new alternative name. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:41, 12 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Well, I double-checked, and, yes, it has the "h" ("Durham") on the copyright page, with no hyphen between "Durham" and "Nilsson". So yet another alternate spelling. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:30, 12 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Alternate name created. Thanks for checking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:22, 13 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
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==Nebula Award Stories Nine==<br />
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You primary verified this title:http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23471 I have submitted a change to the "cover" designation for Al Nagy as "jacket design" as per statement on the back flap of the dust cover, and deleted him as doing the "cover art" (which was attributed to Abebooks). [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 2:41, 3 September 2019 (CST)<br />
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== Three Stories ==<br />
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Added a note to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51231 Three Stories].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:45, 6 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Strange Horizons: The Spectrum of Science Fiction ==<br />
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I'll be entering the contents for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?153461 Strange Horizons]. Also a note, most of the essays were published earlier in a briefer version (from page iv). No indication how much briefer these versions were, so I'll variant them to the originals. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:00, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Best Short Novels 2004 ==<br />
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You are a primary verifier of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262895 I have submitted a detail to the pub note (on OCLC's error in the table of contents) & linked Goodreads in external IDs. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 12:21, 9 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Sorry, beat you to it ==<br />
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You got the full service moderator today - who merges and deletes things when they obviously need to be done. :) So the Title remove was already done by the time yours made it to the queue :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:08, 30 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes formatting ==<br />
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When you are just updating a record and you do not plan to verify (or even if you do but there are other verifiers and you are just reformatting and not adding substantial information), please do not change the style of the notes (from non-html to html and vice versa). Not everyone is proficient enough with html to be comfortable with ul/li and we do not enforce one style over the other. Thanks in advance for respecting the other editors' styles. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:02, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:OK, thanks for tip. FWIW, in this case, none of the prior editors are currently active.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:22, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Yeah I know but people leave and then come back sometimes :) Think of it as a courtesy thing - if you are adding a lot of data, you are the one writing the note so you do whatever formatting you want. If you are doing housekeeping, you leave things as you found them and just add/fix. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:33, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::OK[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:37, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Nisi Shawl's ''Talk Like a Man'' ==<br />
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Hi, I'd think the title, and also the notes, would better be adapted to meet the other publications / titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?489 this series]. What do you think, and: shall I do it? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:27, 21 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:Done. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:49, 22 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks! I'll add some more informations to the notes, if you don't mind. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:37, 22 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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::: Done. And the cover image was uploaded too. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:58, 22 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Have Space Suit Will Travel Graphic Novel ==<br />
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I rejected your variant of "Have Space Suit Will Travel Graphic Novel" to "Have Space Suit - Will Travel". A graphic novel version is significantly different than a text version so it would not be considered the same work for ISFDB purposes. Variants are for the same work under a different title / author name. We merge / variant minor differences, but major differences are kept separate works. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:57, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:OK, thanks. Good to know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:06, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Slow Regard of Silent Things ==<br />
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I rejected your deletion of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?520611 The Slow Regard of Silent Things]. I'm pretty sure the edition exists; I've seen a variety of other examples where the publisher produced a limited number of signed copies of trade hardcovers like this. I did change the ISBN to that of the trade edition, and the publication date as well. I looked the book up on bookfinder.com and think I found examples for sale there. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 14:31, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:I'm unclear on ISFDB standard for publisher-signed trade first editions that are finite, but not "limited" (no copy number/letter, no limitation page, no difference in the ISBN or copyright page.) Such copies are indistinguishable from a trade first edition which was event-signed. A "signed copy" sticker on the jacket is not a useful differentiator, because bookstores also do that for their event-signed books (and, anyway, those stickers are usually removed.) I checked, and didn't see any discussion of this in the wiki. If the standard is a separate listing for publisher-signed copies, does it matter if the signature was in-person for the publisher, or autopen? (I've got examples of both.) Anyway, if there's a standard, I'll snap to it of course. If there's no standard, I'd recommend addressing publisher-signed copies via a Pub Note rather than a separate listing. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:08, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::Mark, I don't think there is an ISFDB standard. I asked in the Community Portal, and got two responses from two excellent moderators that were opposites. I suggest that you can use a pub note if you wish, but if someone else has entered the pub as a separate publication, just leave it. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:25, 27 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Author update of Introduction (Time and the Riddle) ==<br />
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Hi Mark, you submitted an author update from ''Howard Fast'' to ''Frank Campenni, Ph.D.''. We do not add titles to names, so I've approved and removed the Ph.D part. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:04, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:Argh! Scrap that. Turns our we do... sorry... [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:08, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{p|250560|((Frequencies))}} ==<br />
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Is it really $17.76, or could it be a typo? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:27, 22 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:Not a typo. That really is the price on the book. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:09, 23 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Collector's Book of Science Fiction ==<br />
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: <s>''to be continued (now falling asleep at the wheel) -Pwendt''</s><br />
Happy February's Eve. You are one of two ISFDB verifiers for ''The Collector's Book of Science Fiction [by H. G. Wells]'' (P{{p|37319}} as April 1978). In contemporary newspapers I find several listings in 1978/79 newspaper advertisements of book sales. US prices $4.99 to $6.99, including one $5.99 as early as August 1978. <br />
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Unfortunately only one December 1979 advert reports a list price (as "$", where I infer Canadian currency):<br />
: Published at C$12.50 [and] Sale price C$7.98<br />
No publisher, so a Canada edition is possible, although not to be expected. The same advertisement also lists ''Science Fiction by the Rivals of H. G. Wells'' (P{{p|29097}} as April 1979) at the same prices C$12.50 and C$7.98. "The Book Barn ... Science Fiction, Astrology and Occult Week", ''The Globe and Mail'' (Toronto), 1979-12-01 p. G19.<br />
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The latter Castle Books anthology I don't find in newspapers by automated search ("Science Fiction by the Rivals").<br><br />
WorldCat reports your collection only as published by Castle Books ([https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3Awells%3B+ti%3AThe+collector%27s+book+of+science+fiction&qt=results_page au:wells; ti:The collector's book of science fiction"]).<br />
: ''to be continued (now falling asleep at the wheel)'' --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:35, 31 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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2020-02-01: Newspaper search from 1980 to 1989 yields no more information about either of the Castle Books publications (except that some of the same bookstores considered it worthwhile to advertise them as titles on sale during 1980). What do you think of this item extending your bullet-list of publication notes:<br />
: C$12.50 list price for this title in Canada (currency and publisher not stated) is noted in one Toronto bookstore advertisement: "The Book Barn ... Science Fiction, Astrology and Occult Week", ''The Globe and Mail'' (Toronto), 1979-12-01 pG19.<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:36, 1 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Science Fiction by the Rivals of H. G. Wells ==<br />
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Hi, again. Since yesterday you are a new primary verifier for ''Science Fiction by the Rivals of H. G. Wells'' (P{{p|29097}} as April 1979). What do you think of this item extending your bullet-list of publication notes: <br />
: C$12.50 list price for this title in Canada (currency and publisher not stated) is noted in one Toronto bookstore advertisement: "The Book Barn ... Science Fiction, Astrology and Occult Week", ''The Globe and Mail'' (Toronto), 1979-12-01 pG19.<br />
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Here you are the only one active among three primary verifiers. The others have not replied on their talk pages since 2014 and 2016. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:48, 1 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for checking, but no problem if you want to add that pub note based on your verification of the 1979 newspaper. Gotta say, I'm amazed that you've got access to such an old paper, and that you found that price reference. Kudos! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:28, 2 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Done. {{done}}<br />
::: For the companion book (immediately above) I await the other primary verifier, who is active.<br />
::: I have a university library subscription to Historical Newspapers at ProQuest.com (ambient inside the main library building). That provides automated text search of contents for many important English-language newspapers and magazines, and images of the hits. I'm sure these searches do miss much original content, but they do hit much. For example that may be more remarkable: Last hour I read some early 1850 notices of ''The Works of the Late Edgar Allan Poe'' published by J. S. Redfield T{{t|1006342}} --including UK price 15s. in one advertisement; unfortunately no US price reported in any of numerous items. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:29, 3 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Royo ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|264622|this book}}, which you are the primary verifier [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 00:58, 10 February 2020 (EST) <br />
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: Susan, I put this submission, making {{A|Luis Royo}} the artist, on hold. You left the pub note saying the artwork is not credited, and you did not give a secondary source for the credit. Where does the credit come from? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:23, 10 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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::Marty, the cover is a version of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1378125 this cover... there's also one without the cape at all... here [https://ofearna.us/art/royo/Women/52-YoungBleys.jpg Royo: Women page 52: "Young Bleys"] [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 20:39, 10 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::Ok, thanks. I accepted the submission and added a reference to the other cover in the pub notes as the source of the artist credit. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:06, 11 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Dangerous Visions - Harlan Ellison ==<br />
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Hello, you are sole PV {{P|225533|here}} and I'd be grateful if you could confirm that each story has an introduction by Ellison and that there's also an afterword by each story's author. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 01:29, 13 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Decades of Science Fiction ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?763295 this one]. Non-fiction pieces outside of NON-FICTION books are always recorded as essays - even if they are a few thousand pages. :) So I changed that while approving. What is the title page showing? Is the Instructor's edition mentioned there (if so, the pub title should change)? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:53, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Hi, Annie. I just uploaded new cover image. No: not the title page nor any other page is different from the 'student' edition. Just the covers and included pages, as described. No prob with your change, of course. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:47, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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:: Ok then :) I was just making sure -- cloning does not allow the change of Pub title so wanted to make sure we do not forget to change it if we have to :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:00, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::: PS: I approved [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4588005 this] as the other PV had been gone for 12 years but even when you are a PV, unless you are the only one, putting a short summary of what you changed in the Notes field is useful for figuring out what information came from where. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:03, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Takeoff ==<br />
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I added the LCCN to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34229 Takeoff]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 16:29, 29 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Reviews in Magill's Survey of Science Fiction Literature ==<br />
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I have added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?768013 this publication] which reprints several book reviews by Jack Williamson, including 4 that first appeared in Frank N. Magill's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?231769 Survey of Science Fiction Literature]''. The reviews in question appear on pages 56 through 72. Please feel free to import them into the correct volume. I'll leave this same note on the other verifier's [[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk page]]. However, they have a note about checking in infrequently, so you may see this first. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:09, 12 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Jules Verne translations ==<br />
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I have been documenting the various translations of Jules Verne's works and trying to identify a piece of text from each translation so editors can position their publications under the correct title record. You are on record as a primary verifier for one or more publications for which I am looking for text or which are placed under a generic translation title. I would be grateful if you could assist in this by checking your copies, as listed below, and providing the initial text for missing translations or an indication of the translation for those unspecified. These are listed on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Jules_Verne_Translations Jules Verne Translations] wiki. Thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:04, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
*Unspecified translation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?698149 Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea] (title) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?407994 Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea] (publication)<br />
:: Excellent. I've started moving the publication's entry to the correct title record. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:05, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
*Unspecified translation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?69127 Doctor Ox's Experiment] (title) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4426 Beyond Time and Space] (publication)<br />
:: Your note says it omits the first paragraph, but sounds more like an introduction. The name of Doctor Ox doesn't come into it until a couple of chapters in. Here are links to the original texts for translations by [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89006931273&view=1up&seq=45 Alger] and [https://books.google.ca/books?id=-QECAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false Towle] (the drop down menu in the upper right will let you jump to the story). Does your copy look anything like either of these? If it doesn't pick up later with something like this, it's likely a new translation entirely. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:05, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
*Unspecified translation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?79820 Master Zacharius] (title) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?763295 Decades of Science Fiction] (publication)<br />
:: Great. I've started moving the publication's entry to the correct title record. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:05, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Edited the pubs, added a note on your talk page.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:02, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Dr. Ox is a lightly edited abridgement of Towle. I submitted pub note update. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:10, 19 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Doctor Ox's Experiment ==<br />
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Regarding your note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4632723 here]: story was moved to where it belongs.<br />
When you need to move a story from one variant to another, it is a two step process. <br />
* Step 1: Open the title page of your story and go to "Unmerge Titles" in the left menu. From the list that it opens, select the publication you want to change and submit. Once this is approved, the story in this book is not connected anywhere.<br />
* Step 2: Merge it with the place it needs to go to(or variant it to the parent if this will be a new variant - in this case, edit as well to add the notes on why it is a new variant). In this case, as the Towle variant existed with the correct title, I simply merged. <br />
Note: This process works for every type of publication except omnibuses - for omnibuses, you should remove the title from the publication and either add or import the correct one instead (these two actions can be submitted in parallel). <br />
Let me know if you have any questions :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:26, 27 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks, Annie! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:58, 28 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other Novelets from Galaxy ==<br />
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Added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55353 The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other Novelets from Galaxy].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:03, 2 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Velocity ==<br />
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Added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423435 this] referring to a copy I obtained recently. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:58, 7 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Harlan Ellison's titles ==<br />
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Hello Mark. Wanted to let you know I've accepted your submissions, but had to fix html for all of them: changed '<a/ href=...' to '<a href=...'. Also, I've fixed a typo in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?56425 this one] where I changed ''PHOENIX WITHOUT AHSES'' into ''PHOENIX WITHOUT ASHES'' -- [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:32, 23 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:THANKS, user:MagicUnk! I apologize for the html typos. Thanks for the fix and the syntax reminder. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:19, 23 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: You're welcome! :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:35, 23 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Binti: The Complete Trilogy ==<br />
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Can you check your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?697576 verified] and see if it has the DAW Collectors number (1813) on the copyright page? I can see it on the ebook so verifying if it is also on the hardcover so we can add it here (or add a note that it is not). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:04, 29 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, it's there. I submitted edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:46, 30 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Long Tomorrow ==<br />
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When you say "graphic stories" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4672604 here], are those heavily illustrated stories or comics (aka if you remove the pictures, does the story hold together?) If they are comics and the story cannot exist without the illustrations (which is my usual experience with Moebius), then this is not eligible at this time (annoys me a lot - I like comics - but we do have the Rules of Acquisition) :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:44, 5 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Annie. Yes, the graphic stories require the artwork, and they are formatted in boxes as in a comic. The stories are clearly genre. The stories are collected in a hardcover book. Moebius is in the Science Fiction Hall of Fame, and has a page in ISFDB. This book is, in all respects, the exact same as the anthologies listed for Stan Lee. Check out his ISFDB page. If the Rules of Acquisition allow the Stan Lee anthologies, they should allow this Moebius collection. IMHO. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:45, 7 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Hello, Annie. Here are some more examples of comic-formatted graphic genre books which are currently allowed in ISFDB: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?22809, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2640629, and http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321468. Reading the Policy and Moderator discussion pages, I believe ISFDB has defaulted to Wikipedia for definition of excluded "comics". IMHO none of these previously allowed books (or the Moebius graphic collection) are "comics" as defined in the Wikipedia article. I see my submission is still Pending, so I'm looking forward to seeing how Moderators resolve this. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:43, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I was mostly away yesterday :)<br />
:: Noone argues that this is not science fiction - it very obviously is. The question is if it meets our definition of "published speculative fiction" and is not excluded specifically. Just because something is allowed before does not make it eligible - we find books that need removing often. <br />
:: The Ray Bradbury books are allowed as "above the treshold" author ones - which trumps pretty much any 'do not include' rule except for non-genre essays in non-genre publication one and similar restrictions. Same for Delany's and Gaiman's. So these are not comparable here - they would not have been allowed if they were not by these authors. Stan Lee's is iffy and do not belong if they are comics and not prose stories with illustrations... I am actually getting one of those anthologies to verify what they are exactly because they got me curious. <br />
:: I am thinking on that - I still find this ineligible UNLESS we add it as non-fiction (aka as an art album) which will be even more absurd as this is not that either. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:22, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: A published hardcover book of SF stories that "very obviously is" science fiction, and is by an SF HoF inductee, is not "published speculative fiction." Yep, I agree: that sounds absurd. Well, I'm here with my box of popcorn, watching the show. Can't wait to see what happens next. ;) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:15, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: A published book of "graphic format" SF stories. That's the part you chose to ignore for some reason. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Exclusions the exclusions]: <br />
::::* Speculative fiction is defined to exclude: ...Comic books, manga, and graphic novels... <br />
:::: That's what makes this book most likely ineligible and that's why I asked if it is illustrated text or sequential art (aka comics). We do not have an exception for SF HOF members unless we want to treat them as above treshold by default (which needs to be discussed with the community) - simply because most of them are obviously above the treshold - there aren't that many comics writers in the list. If you think we need to expand the rules and allow the sequential art forms (comics, graphic novels, mangas and similar), use R&S and find support for it. Moebius is in the DB for his covers, illustrations of other works and essays - not for his comics. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:51, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: PS: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Moebius.2C_SF_HOF_and_comics Moderator Discussion] - if you want to keep an eye on it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:59, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) I rejected the addition. Comics/graphic novels/sequential art are allowed only if they are by above threshold authors (and induction in HOF does not make an author above the threshold if they do not have eligible for inclusion titles) or when they are in part of a genre publication - story in an otherwise non-graphic anthology or in a genre magazine for example. As you can see in the Moderator thread, we are working on revising the help page language so it is clearer what "published" means in terms of ISFDB. Sorry. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:26, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Just as an update - the Stan Lee anthologies above are indeed text stories with 1 black and white illustration each. Which makes them eligible for addition. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:53, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== This Is How You Lose the Time War length ==<br />
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Would you please look at [[User_talk:PeteYoung#This_Is_How_You_Lose_the_Time_War_length|this discussion]]? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:58, 12 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::We don't need to count words. When I originally edited the stub I left it as a novel. Since then, the authors & the awards committees agree the story is a novella, so the book is a chapbook. I just submitted edits to change the book to chapbook and the title to novella. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:53, 13 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Hill's ''Full Throttle'' Barnes & Noble signed edition ==<br />
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finally got around to pulling this book and took photoes [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 01:36, 17 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Art of Richard Powers ==<br />
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Hello. I agree with your deletion, but I have put your submission on hold as I'd like to check in with Ahasuerus if he can move that single PV to the UK edition record. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:51, 21 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Hi Mark. I've finally accepted your delete submission - sorry for the long wait. Totally lost sight of it. Hope you'll forgive me [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:01, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Title Record Formatting ==<br />
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HTML formatting should not be used in titles (publication or content). It breaks search as users would not be able to find the title without typing the HTML. You are welcome to document the formatting in the notes if you wish. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:03, 26 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant Dates ==<br />
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I had to reject a couple of changes to variant dates. Variants are dated to the first appearance of the variant, not of the parent. This allows people to see history of title, credit changes, etc. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:36, 27 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:OK. I was unclear on that policy. Thanks for clarification. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:51, 27 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Lamps on the Brow ==<br />
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Would you please check the title of the story on page 89 of {{P|185009|Lamps on the Brow}}? Is it "Hermes' Horn" as listed or "Hermes' Lady"? There is another who says they have the book and wants to change it. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:35, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Whoops. The title for that story should be "Herne's Lady", not "Hermes' Lady". "Herne" is last name of a character in the story. I missed that when verifying. Let me know if you'd like for me to make that edit. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:50, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I made the change. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:38, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hidden Girl and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hi Mark, in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?753516 verified pub], how about removing the "An excerpt from..." from 'A Chase Beyond the Storms', as it's not strictly part of the title of the story? I've just verified the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?757447 UK edition] and I've added that particular detail to the Notes. What do you think? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 15:51, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:OK, I made the change in the US edition. I assume you'll make the change in the UK edition. FWIW, "an excerpt from ..." is in the Table of Contents and the story's title page, but it's in italics so I'm OK with not treating it as a subtitle. Regards. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:07, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Adventure ==<br />
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Left a message with [[User talk:MLB|MLB]]. If he agrees, I will change. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:32, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Change made. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:20, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Art of George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice & Fire ==<br />
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Regarding your ''The Art of George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice & Fire'' submissions: You are adding a pub series for these books. We differentiate between publisher level series like {{PubSeries|26|Ballantine Adult Fantasy}}) from title series (universe or groupings of books independent of publisher like {{Series|11825|Dune Universe}}). This would seem to be better represented as a title series since they would still be in the same series even if a different publisher would reprint them. Thoughts? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:58, 28 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:As there has been no response, I have gone with a title series instead. I accepted the new pub edit and the additional details to the other pub, but rejected the edit that only added the pub series, removed the pub series from the other two, and added the title series. For {{P|336761|Volume 2}}, the record has a "2", but the cover has "Two". If the title page is different than the cover, it would be good to add a pub note stating they differ. If the title page has "Two", than the record needs to be updated. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:31, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for correcting the series, and pointing out the title issue. Just submitted edit to fix the title ("Two" instead of "2".) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:49, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== ''SpaceShip One: An Illustrated History'' ==<br />
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I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4704029 your submission of ''SpaceShip One: An Illustrated History''] on hold and I am trying to figure out whether the book is eligible for inclusion based on our inclusion policy.<br />
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Your Note to Moderator reads "entering because of Arthur C. Clarke's Foreword". I think the relevant part of the [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition|Rules of Acquisition]] is:<br />
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* Works (both fiction and non-fiction) which are not related to speculative fiction, but were produced by authors who have otherwise published works either of or about speculative fiction over a ''certain threshold'' (see below). This includes any non-genre works published as standalone books as well as non-genre short fiction, but '''excludes non-fiction which was not published as a standalone book''' [emphasis added]. Thus, Poul Anderson's mysteries and his non-fiction book about thermonuclear weapons will be included, but Gregory Benford's professionally published scientific articles will be excluded.<br />
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The wording is a bit convoluted since it tries to cover multiple scenarios. However, the emphasized part appears to suggest that we shouldn't be entering otherwise ineligible publications just because they include non-fiction essays by authors "above the threshold" (like Clarke.) Would you agree? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:40, 28 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I defer to you, of course, since you've got a concern I don't: conservation of cost/space. If that's an issue, then I understand why the wiki policy needs to be ring-fenced so carefully. If there were no cost/space constraints, I'd argue in favor of more inclusive guidelines to support the research and archive goals of the wiki. Case in point: I'd include a non-genre publication in order to document an Arthur C. Clarke essay about space exploration. Bottom line: I'll continue to submit publications I think are appropriate, but I've got no problem with moderators making conservative choices to conserve cost/space. Thanks for asking, though. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:19, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: I don't think it is a space/cost thing as much as not loading the DB with thousands of books which are out of scope. Some of the modern genre writers have penned hundreds of introductions outside of the genre for example... And we are mainly a fiction DB - so we are more restricted on the non-fiction as a rule -- we will get any fiction piece we can claim as published (and which is not a comics/GN) but for non-fiction, we are a bit more careful. We can always reopen the discussion on that - and change the consensus - as we did when we opened the rules to allow webzines for example. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::: That's right, the space/cost associated with an additional non-fiction book -- or even 50,000 additional non-fiction books -- would be marginal. The main problems would be performance and the ease of navigation. Clarke's (or Asimov's) "Summary" pages are already very busy, take a long time to compile/display and are hard to navigate. Adding hundreds of forewords, magazine articles, etc would aggravate the problem. It would also create thousands of new author records for people who are not directly related to written SF, in this case Dan Linehan.<br />
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::: More broadly, it's important to make sure that all submissions adhere to [[ISFDB:Policy]] as closely as possible. Even if a moderator approves a book that is "out of scope" as currently defined, there is nothing stopping another editor from coming across it a month or a year later, saying "Hm, this is clearly out of scope" and deleting the record. A creation-deletion cycle like that would generate a great deal of frustration for everyone involved.<br />
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::: If you would like to see the inclusion policy changed, please start a discussion on the [[Rules and standards discussions]] page. Policies do change over time -- in 2020 alone we have made 8 changes as per [[Rules and standards changelog]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:52, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::::I appreciate your all's perspective. Thanks for replies. I don't want to add to the moderators' workload, so I'm not going to pursue a broader policy. Thanks to all moderators for your service. And apologies in advance if I occasionally submit another out-of-scope pub. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:44, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Teen-Age Science Fiction Stories ==<br />
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Cover and explanation of its provenance added to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391031 verified]. Let me know if you have any concerns with it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:09, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Excellent edit. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:45, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== {{P|286141|Adventure in Space}} ==<br />
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Hi, this publication is showing up on the cleanup reports for a mismatch between the publication author (MacVicar and Moore) and the title author (uncredited).<br />
If the title page does not list both authors and 'only' states the book's title <i>Adventure in Space</i> then you will want to change the publication author to uncredited, too, or the title author, if the two names are indeed stated on the title page. Thanks. John. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 16:32, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:fixed. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:11, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Perfect Robot ==<br />
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Does {{P|28382|Robots Robots Robots}} state the translator for "The Perfect Robot" (page 225) or that this is the same version as from ''Time Out of Mind''? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:04, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:It's the same. Footnote credit is "Reprinted from 'Time Out of Mind and Other Stories' by Pierre Boulle, Copyright 1966". Let me know if you'd like me to add a pub note. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:09, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I added the translator credit to the {{T|79792|The Perfect Robot}} title record and wanted to make sure they were all the same. If not, we'd split them out into separate variants. Your choice on the pub notes. The title translator note is supposed to be sufficient. However, we're not always great at ensuring those are correct for all pubs under the record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:24, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Fool's Gold ==<br />
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The price for Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263975 pv pub] is given as £3.50 in [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?fn=search&vl(freeText0)=9780200726221 British Library]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 16:06, 14 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! Submitted edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:32, 14 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Dead Astronauts ==<br />
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Hi, the record of your primary-verified {{P|741608|Dead Astronauts}} states 336 pages. I've got the same edition and printing, but my copy has 323 pages only, not 336. Can you please check you copy?<br />
Also, I'd change the publisher from "MCD" to "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?59418 MCD / Farrar, Straus and Giroux]" (see copyright page). <br />
Thanks, Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 15:22, 18 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch, Jens. Thanks! Page count was just a typo. Glad you caught it. I submitted edit with your fixes. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:34, 18 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Great, thanks. Approved, and verified it myself now. :) Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 15:36, 18 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Stanisław Lem ==<br />
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Hello Mark. You requested to delete author record {{a|Stanislaw Lem}} and move its interior art records to Stanisław Lem. However, we can't do that as there are publications that use Stanislaw Lem as author name (without the Polish ł). Looking into your request some more, it is somewhat complicated. First of all, it must be established that the author's name in all editions of {{p|47795|The Star Diaries}} is indeed written as Stanisław Lem. If it is, than it is a simple matter of updating the author of each individual contents record to the author's name (with Polish ł). If it is not, then the titles must first be unmerged from the ones with, and without, Polish ł. And then again update the contents titles that have the Polish ł author name (and leave the ones without Polish ł as-is).<br />
Could you confirm what the individual editions have as author name? (Looking at the covers, I'm afraid it's going to be the latter, and first unmerge titles...)<br />
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By the way, probably a good idea to check in with more seasoned moderators, too (think Annie :) Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:00, 20 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry, the names looked identical to me. I didn't notice that small difference between "l" and "ł". Uh ... what if we just leave everything like it is? Seems like it'll be a lot of work to sort this out. That said: if the moderators decide y'all want to do it, I've got a lot of Lem's English-language publications, so I could submit edits as needed for all my books. Your call. Let me know what you want to do. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:22, 20 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: If you could confirm your edition of {{p|47795|The Star Diaries}} has the Polish "ł"? I'll then have a look at it myself. Also, please do not hesitate to add/update records for Lem publications you own. We like our little database to be as accurate as possible :) Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 01:48, 21 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::OK, you can see on image I posted it uses the "Polish i", so I submitted edit changing all non-imported instances of his name. Let me know if I should switch all the imported content to versions with 'Polish i'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:49, 21 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Yes :) Contents author should match the container one (unless the stories have their own title pages where it is credited differently). PS: It is a Polish L, not I. Polish is one weird language (in a sea of weird language in the Western Slavic branch) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:20, 21 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Cincinatti ==<br />
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In {{T|2697368|Cincinatti Lou}} is the misspelling of Cincinnati original to the publication or a database typo? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:28, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch. Thanks! Submitted edits to correct the typo. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:43, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Star Diaries ==<br />
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Your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47795 The Star Diaries] somehow got the author Stanislaw Lem labelled as a variant of Stanislaw Lem, causing the duplication of the author in the data base. I've gone through and eliminated the duplication of the author's name in the pub and the stories in the pub. Can't imagine how that happened. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:43, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Bob, PLEASE make sure you are not undoing all the splitting we did between Stanislaw Lem and Stanisław Lem - that "L" in the first name is different in both forms - l vs ł. The Polish name uses ł. A lot of the modern editions use that in other languages as well. Older ones use a normal l. We NEED both names in the DB. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:50, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: And you can see the thread just a few lines above [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood#Stanis.C5.82aw_Lem here] where we actually talked about that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:53, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) Markwood, can you do me a favor and look through this one again. I fixed all the author names, connected all to their originals, added the translator and copied the pages from the old record but a second set of eyes, especially with the book, on the page numbers will be appreciated. I am also going to chase down the rest of the editions that do not have the Polish L - at least a few need to join yours - but I need to look at title pages to be sure. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:16, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Annie, I'm in awe. I have to use a magnifying glass to see that tiny cross-stroke on the "Polish L". :) I reviewed "The Star Diaries" listing and can confirm you got every one. Checked my Lem books and found four more that have same problem: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?86312, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188337, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37775, and http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22921. All have the Polish L on title page and jacket front. If you want to share the work, let me know which 2 you'll do, and I'll do the other 2. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:53, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Well, I will love to help if you need assistance. I see two novels and 2 collections so why don't you try your hand in one of the novels and see how it goes and let me know if you want me to just swap them. The steps for collections are (let's take [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22921 this one] which has 14 stories):<br />
::::* Unmerge the COLLECTION record to pull this one out from the ones with the English l in the name and variant it back up and add translator - 3 edits <br />
::::* Remove all the stories and added the same stories but with the correct author (keeping track of what is on what page in the process and matching the length field) - as we did not have records for them under the proper name - 1 edit (add stories, fix the pub and title author name), one removeTitles to get the old stories out. <br />
::::* Add translator to all old ones (that do not have it - if we are around anyway) and all new stories (14+14)<br />
::::* Variant the newly created titles to their originals. (14)<br />
:::: So at least 57 edits to get this one book to look as it should if you do not need to redo any. Maybe a few less if some of the old stories already have translators :) <br />
:::: For a novel, it is much easier (as the initial unmerge will give you the pub to edit and you can do everything inside of it (so unmerge to pull the publication out, then once approved, just edit the new publication that carries the new title (change the author name on both places on the Pub Edit screen as now this title is only in this publication) and then add translator to the TITLE record and variant it to the original and you are all done in 4 edits). Let me know if something is unclear and how you want to proceed. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:36, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::I submitted edits for the 2 novels. As for the other ~100 edits to do the 2 collections ... uh ... I'm gonna pass for now. I've got time for a handful of edits per day, so it'd take me weeks at this time to do the collections. When I've got more free time I'll check the collections and do the edits if still needed. Really sorry I can't tackle that right now. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:36, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I will clear them up tonight or later this week. :) And no worries at all -- collections with translations can be... interesting to work on. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:05, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: OK, Step 1 on these 2 novels approved. I am around for when you submit the unmerge on both to approve for you. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:15, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::Annie, appears I'll need for you to do the unmerge. I've never done that and assumed I could figure it out ... but there's no 'unmerge' on editing menus, and there's no 'unmerge' Help topic in the wiki, so ... Help me, Obi Wan Annie, you're my only hope. ;) Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:58, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: It is on the title level, not on the pub level. So let's work with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?86312 this one]. Click on the title record: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?187178 here]. Now look at the left menu and locate "Unmerge Titles". It will open [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/tv_unmerge.cgi?187178 this]. Locate your book (as you changed the author already, just search for "Stanisław" and it will pop up (it is the first one). Once approved, your book will get away from the others. As you already fixed the publication, all that will remain after that will be to edit the new title records (to add the translator - the author will get fixed from the unmerge as it will pick it up from the publication) and then to make it a variant of the Polish record. Would you like to try to do this with the two of them? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:07, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::THANKS! Always good to learn something. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:17, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::: Teach a man to fish... (and then you do not need to wade in the cold water at 4 am in the morning). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:57, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::::: I saw that you fixed that one, I finished [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188337 this one] just now so the two novels are all set :) I will work on the two collections later this week. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:38, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== tr-template ==<br />
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Hello. Just a quick note to use the tr-template <nowiki>{{tr|name}}</nowiki> when adding translators to notes. Using it will make it easier to convert to proper translators field (and narrators and...) once we have support for these. Regards[[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 02:03, 23 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Cool! Didn't know about Templates, had never used them. Thanks for expanding my HTML vocabulary! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:40, 23 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Well, it's actually not html (as far as I understand it), but a construct that is used in the ISFDB for all kinds of templates. Have a look [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Templates here] for what you can use (do note that there are actually two sets of templates; [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Templates one set] to use in the ISFDB itself, the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Linking_templates other set] for use in this wiki). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:58, 23 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Parable of the Sower variant ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4776933 this one]: We do not variant adaptations into their originals. Variants are used in four cases for text titles:<br />
* Same text (with minor revisions) but different forms of the title or author<br />
* Translation<br />
* In case of novels, splitting the novel into volumes<br />
* Serializations (as serials)<br />
When the work is an adaptation (being it in graphic format or for younger readers for example), we connect only via the notes (or via adding them into a series together). If the graphic novel contains the complete text of the story (some of Shakespeare's GNs are like that), the text story should be added as a text story (in this case, it is a real adaptation so this does not apply). Hope that makes sense and let me know if I can assist further. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:02, 28 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for info. Good to know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:10, 28 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Saga Press vs. Saga Press / Gallery ==<br />
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Hello Mark. You've PV'd {{p|753516|The Hidden Girl and Other Stories}} and {{p|717815|Unforeseen}} and {{p|717832|This Is How You Lose the Time War}}. In light of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Issue_with_Saga_Press_-_how_to_resolve.3F this discussion], would you be OK with checking the copyright page, and thus converting the publisher to just Saga Press? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:28, 14 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Done. No prob. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:36, 14 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Kingdoms of the Wall ==<br />
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Hi Markwood,<br />
I have edited the record for Kingdoms of the Wall. Might want to check your copy, make sure the info I have added doesn't conflict. Let me know if there is a problem. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 18:21, 20 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Good edits. No prob. Thx for heads-up. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:42, 20 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Edited by ==<br />
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Are you sure that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2789633 this cover] is by Elana Balbusso and not Elena Balbusso? :) As far as I know, there is no third Balbusso sister called Elana :) Also - when adding the same art, you can import instead of adding a new record - I merged the two that got created when you added the two separate records in both books. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:46, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:I'm 100% certain the first name is spelled "Elana" on the back flap of the dust jacket ... but now that I've checked the extensive illustration listing for "Elena", I'm 99% certain it's a typo. I'll go with that assumption and make the edits. As always, THANKS for the careful review, Annie! And, BTW: ISFDB was included in Ellen Datlow's Acknowledgments! :) I'll add that info to the pub record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:04, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: :) They are a pretty well known pair (or at least they seem to illustrate for publishers I tend to like) so it caught my eye. I did some varianting so that the cover shows where it belongs. Now if I figure where I stashed my own copy of that book... :) Meanwhile we are all set with this record now I think. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:59, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Tony Roberts art is in fact by Chris Foss ==<br />
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A good new year! I just have merged the cover art that was indexed as to be by Roberts with the existing one by Foss, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40336 here]. I do wonder how that credit came into the db: it just reminds one of how important it is to source data within the notes. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:43, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Spaceship vs Space Ship ==<br />
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Hi Markwood -<br />
Could I get you to double check title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?428513 this publication]? The cover scan and the Worldcat both have it as "Space Ship", whereas we list the title as "Spaceship". There's also a earlier printing with an active verifier of whom I'll be asking the same question. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:22, 9 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Good catch, Ron. Yep, it's "Space Ship". Submitted edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:13, 9 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Plague of Demons & Other Stories / Keith Laumer ==<br />
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I see you've PV'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?984] and would like it if you'd check the title page for the use of 'and', rather than '&' in the title. I'm PVing the pb version and it has the spelled out 'and'. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 00:36, 25 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Good catch! It's "and". I've submitted edit. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:46, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21847 Memoirs of a Space Traveler] ==<br />
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Hi, I imported the interior artworks to the publication verified by you. While doing this, a question (well, two) occurred to me: Is there really the full letter line A-E? The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?267 note] on the publisher would suggest that none is to be expected (and if so, we would have a likely doublette in the database, with date 0000-00-00). Second, the OCLC / WorldCat mentions a statement for "A Helen and Kurt Wolff book", which would be considered as a pub. series (as with mine pb copy). Can you have a look into the matter? Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:06, 2 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:Submitted edit. Thanks for catch! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:08, 2 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Thank ''you'' for the look-up! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:10, 3 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== James Blish's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9615 The Quincunx of Time] was identified as a novella ==<br />
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Hi, Mark! It happened [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#James_Blish.27s_The_Quincunx_of_Time_appears_to_be_a_novella here]. I'm going to change the pub.s and titles accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:03, 10 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Down Here in the Dream Quarter ==<br />
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Hi, I submitted an update of this record: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10760 which you PV'd. I don't have a copy of the book, but on the basis of the scanned cover, and the OCLC WorldCat record, classified it as part of the publication series "Doubleday Science Fiction." Can you verify that those words appear on the hardcover spine of your copy of the book? Doubleday did not put the series designation anywhere else in these books. You might want to look at the exchange I had w/ the moderator on this book at the end of my talk page: http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hifrommike65 Thanks. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 06:42, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:Yes, it has "Doubleday Science Fiction" on the spine. I spot checked a dozen or so books with "Doubleday Science Fiction" on the jacket spine, and only one did not also have "Science Fiction" on its spine: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258494. But that book does have the 'rocket ship & book' logo on its spine, so it's clearly in the series. Looks like you've undertaken a massive project to add this to the all the books in this series. Let me know if any other way I can help. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:36, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks gentlemen! I will approve the update then. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:50, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Small Magic: Short Fiction, 1977-2020 ==<br />
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I assume that the comma in this title is from the title page (I can see it on the ebook now)? As the cover has a ":", add a note to the publication explaining the discrepancy (see how I did on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819338 the ebook]). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:44, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:fixed. FWIW, I've not seen the ebook, but find it weird if it's got two colons in its title. If the first colon is being 'assumed', then I'd suggest assuming a comma as on the print title page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:50, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: The first colon is the 'and here comes the subtitle' one. The second is indeed a comma on the ebook title page and I fixed that. The one with the two colons on the list is the audiobook - its title is based on the cover only (because audiobooks have no title pages) and it is an obvious colon there. Thus the variant. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:38, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== After: Nineteen Stories of Apocalypse and Dystopia ==<br />
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Fixed page count and added missing essay in your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?396310 After: Nineteen Stories of Apocalypse and Dystopia].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:50, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:46, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dead Lines ==<br />
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I added language to the jacket design and illustration credit for {{p|62736|Dead Lines}} [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 16:16, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Martian Race ==<br />
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Just added a couple of pub notes to {{p|43915|The Martian Race}} [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:30, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:24, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cosm & Eater ==<br />
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Added pub notes and LCCN. Also merging the Afterword to {{p|8027|Cosm}}. Let me know if you disagree. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 12:55, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Same for {{p|11884|Eater}} [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:15, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Fugitive Telemetry ==<br />
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I converted {{P|828104|Fugitive Telemetry}} to a chapbook based on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4974221 this edit]. In doing so, I noticed you have primary verified the publication, but the pub notes still say "Data from Amazon.com as of 2021-03-15." When a book is primary verified, the data should be coming from the book. If there is data not in the book and comes from a secondary source instead, the pub notes should specify what data comes from the secondary source (ex "Publication date from Amazon.com as of 2021-03-15"). If you get a chance, can you please update the pub notes? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:01, 1 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Done. Thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:53, 1 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hive ==<br />
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just added a couple ext ID's to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?712443 The Hive]. no changes [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:51, 7 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gift of Fire / On the Head of a Pin -- Walter Mosley ==<br />
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I've changed the title to use a '/' rather than 'and' for your PV [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?380840]]. This seems to be best practice (I've checked Amazon look-inside to confirm the setup matches my pb copy). --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:40, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Mailer's A Fire on the Moon ==<br />
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I was a little overzealous in approving an edit to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308500 copy] of this book and I do apologize for that. I hadn't noticed your verification until I went to check about why the title record wasn't updated with the publication record. The original title of the publication record was "Of a Fire on the Moon". The URL that [[User:Username|Username]], [https://picclick.com/A-Fire-on-the-Moon-by-Norman-Mailer-183425761963.html], had in the moderator notes does show a scan of the title page with the shorter title. If the scan agrees with your copy, we still need to unmerge the title record and make the variant relationship. I can let you do this, or if you'd prefer, I'm happy to fix it myself. If it doesn't agree, then let me know that too and I can put the record back as it was. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:17, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Ron. Gotta apologize: I originally verified the UK version by mistake, then correctly verified the US version ... and got distracted and forgot to go back and un-verify the UK version. Just now rectified that. I CAN verify that the US version is "Of a Fire on the Moon" on its title page, if that helps. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:42, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== An Ancient Gulliver ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4982429 this submission]: Excerpts should be dated as of the date that excerpt appeared, not the date of the work from which it was taken. I restored the 1967 date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:53, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:OK. Good to know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:04, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fiction Adventure(s) from Way Out ==<br />
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Hi<br />
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You're the only active verifier for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29083 Science Fiction Adventure from Way Out]''. While searching for the Worldcat record I noticed that Worldcat and the other secondary sources (Reginald, Contento, Clute/Nicholls) all have the title as "Science Fiction Adventure'''s''' from Way Out". It appears that we had the title with the plural adventures at one point as the disambiguation on the introduction has it that way. I also notice that the cover has the singular adventure. Could you double check the title page and see if it is "Adventures" there? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:No "s", Ron, on title page, same as the cover: "Science Fiction Adventure [sic] from Way Out". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:03, 14 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for checking. I'm going to put a note on the record about the incorrect title in the secondary sources. That should hopefully keep someone from asking you the same question in the future. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:36, 14 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperial Earth ==<br />
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Added a note and an ext ID to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192257 Imperial Earth] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:35, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sphere ==<br />
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Added a note and ect ID's to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31675 Sphere] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:18, 21 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== A Case of Need ==<br />
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Added pub notes and ext ID to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298 A Case of Need] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:42, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Prey ==<br />
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Added notes and imported title to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26612 Prey] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:39, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== State of Fear ==<br />
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Added pub notes and imported content and ext id's for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?300982 State of Fear][[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:07, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Home: Habitat Range Niche Territory ==<br />
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Hello Mark, could you check whether the title of the short story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?829116 this publication] is with, or without commas? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:40, 31 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:No commas. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:30, 31 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks Mark! Looks like I have a variant title then :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:08, 1 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Galaxy's Edge, Issue 41 ==<br />
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Hello. I've accepted your submission, but reverted the page count back to 116, as the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages help says]: ''For magazines, the rule is to use the actual page count - including the cover.'', so always even number for magazine page no's. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:01, 15 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Good to know. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:15, 15 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Solaris US publisher ==<br />
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You're one of the folks with a Solaris US publisher PV [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?316736]]. Could you weigh in at [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#The_Dragon.27s_Nine_Sons_.2F_Solaris_US]]? Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:51, 16 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I checked 6 US edition books (3 paperback, 3 trade papers) published in 2007, 2008. 2009, 2016, 2017, and 2018. All published by Solaris, none by "Solaris US". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:45, 18 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Lone Star Planet ==<br />
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I approved your submission of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?848702 Lone Star Planet] from Aegypan Press, but had to change the date to 0000-00-00. The publication date could not be the copyright date.[[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:01, 22 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:It's print-on-demand. Should I use "0000-00-00" date for any future POD pubs I post? Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:43, 23 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: No. If a date can be derived from somewhere (the book itself (title page, a store, publisher and so on), we use that even if the books are POD (because we do not record different batches and printings on POD as with standard publishers so if Amazon has 2021-03-12 for example, even if the individual book is printed on 2021-04-05 and the publisher prints each book when ordered, we still use the date for the batch/availability)... But the copyright date usually has little to do with when the book is published - so it goes into the notes but we do not use it as a date. Hope this makes sense. PODs can be a pain. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:50, 23 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== His Master's Voice ==<br />
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Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5039365 this submission] that I'm holding. Please let me know if this is truly a database error and this should be accepted or if your pub does have the "A" and this should be rejected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:11, 31 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:My edit is accurate: copyright page has "First edition" and "B C D E", as was HBJ standard for a first printing from 1973 to 1983 per the publisher's page on ISFDB. Thanks for checking, though. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:47, 31 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Your publication notes had "A B C D E". Another editor, Zjanes, submitted the change (unless you are editing under two accounts). That is why I double checked. I have approved their edit. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:02, 31 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Wow. OK, THANKS for catching my error. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:16, 31 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== World's Spring ==<br />
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Added notes and publication series to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55387 this] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:26, 5 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== jack payne artist ==<br />
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I split off this cover artist for pub you verified from the other John Payne, not artist and long dead. http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23499, if you have no objection. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 14:08, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:01, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Freedom Beach ==<br />
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Hi Mark, Note to Moderators from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5069101 this submisison] says ''For what it's worth, the novel also includes a variation of the short "Faustfeathers" by Kessel. Perhaps that should be included as well.'' (no idea whether the editor refers to all editions, or a specific one). As you are an active primary verifier, could you have a look and add it if relevant? (I'll leave a note on Dirk's & Mhhutchins talk pages as well) Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:08, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, the 3rd chapter of "Freedom Beach" is titled "Faustfeathers" and it shares a substantial amount of text with the story by that title in "Meeting in Infinity" ... but IMHO it's not identical enough to say it's the same work, or even necessarily an earlier version of the same story. Istead, seems to me the later story is a "fix up" of the earlier chapter. I'd recommend against creating a new story record for the chapter and, instead, add a pub note to both books about this. I'll be glad to do that if you agree. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:49, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Absolutely! Notes it is :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:54, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Edits submitted. Let me know if any need editing. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:49, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Voices from the Sky: Previews of the Coming Space Age ==<br />
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Hello! Done your order.Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 13:59, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Stepford Wives ==<br />
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(Moving from the user page: This is regards of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?376649 this book].<br />
hi, my copy has all of the first edition points that you listed but my jacket price is $5.95. Can you please check your copy and/or let me know what you think.<br />
thanks, Ray [[User:Lem|Lem]] 10:28, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Lem. I just verified, added copyright page info, and formatted a pre-existing record which had the $4.95 price. My copy is price-clipped, so I left the $4.95 price. But I did add the statement about price "on jacket front flap" since my flap had been clipped. My recommendation: verify the record and change the price to match your verified copy. Glad you checked! Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:02, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Feghoot in Special Wonder ==<br />
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There is one of Grendel Briarton's Ferdinand Feghoot stories in ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2930509 Special Wonder]'' which you have verified. We had the story merged with the first story in the series (Many of the stories use the same title). However, Contento notes that the first appearance of the story in ''Special Wonder'' was in the June 1967 issue of ''The Baker Street Journal''. I've requested a pdf of the story from the Journal, but in case they can't provide it, I was wondering if you could let me know the opening line from the story in the anthology. That way I should be able to determine which of 100 Feghoots reprinted in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37914 this] collection it is, and get it varianted to the correct title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:07, 11 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Ron. I've submitted an edit to the story title record, adding to its notes the first couple of sentences. Let me know if I can do anything else to help. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:25, 11 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::That's perfect. I do have one other related to this title. A story with the same title appears on page 152 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40971 this] anthology. In this case, Contento suggests that the story is original to the anthology. Again, if you could provide me with the opening line, I'll try to match it. I may not be able to as it may have been published after the Mirage collection. For now, I'll leave it merged with the May 1956 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?88888 story] from ''F&SF''. I've added the first line there, so if it matches, then we're good as is. For the first one I asked about, it's number 86 in the series and I'll update accordingly. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:50, 11 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::The Feghoot in 'Great Science Fiction Series' is new, per Bretnor's intro essay. I just submitted a couple of edits I think will clear this up ... but navigating all these Feghoot series, titles, and publications is confusing, so I'll re-check my edits after they're processed to see if they cleared it up. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:21, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::Yes, it doesn't help that the are at least 122 stories with either identical or inconsistent names. That's why I've been adding the opening phrase to the records. I've got those for the first 100 stories to which I've been able to assign numbers. Unfortunately, the final [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?887828 collection] appears to be quite rare. I've found a few numbered reprints in other anthologies and will be adding them. I've approved your edits. Thanks again for your help.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:06, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy: 2016 Edition ==<br />
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Hi Markwood,<br />
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Do you confirm the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2038397 this essay], i.e. "2015" instead of "2016" ? Or is that a typo ? Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 04:37, 14 October 2021 (EDT).<br />
:Yep, it's about 2015, when all the stories were published. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:01, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks ! I was just wondering, because the same title occurs in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1878751 2015 edition]… [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 11:06, 14 October 2021 (EDT).<br />
:::I just checked Horton's 'Best of 2015' and, yes, same title for his intro essay as in his 'Best of 2016'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:11, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::Ah well… Thanks again for checking ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 15:31, 14 October 2021 (EDT).<br />
::::: Why would anything BE consistent in books from the same publisher? That will be boring... Someone better add notes to both essays explaining the situation. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:33, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bible Stories for Adults ==<br />
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Can you check something in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286887 verified]? Is the story on page 163 called "Bible Stories for Adults No. 46: The Soap Opera" or "Bible Stories for Adults, No. 46: The Soap Opera". It is the only one that does not have that comma and the comma is there in the ebooks (both the US and the UK one). So before I go and split the title, I want to make sure we do not have a missing comma in our DB. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:48, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Annie. You're right: it has the comma in that book. Let me know if you want me to edit the book record and/or the story title record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:57, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I’ll fix it on the title level and leave a note for the PV for the other copy that has the story. Thanks for checking! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:21, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Starry Rift ==<br />
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I added the missing story (page 248-250) to the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47864 The Starry Rift]. Hope you're ok with that. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:20, 28 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch! Apologies for my missing it. Thanks, Willem. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:52, 28 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Hier, l'an 2000 ==<br />
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I found the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263674 this publication], it's from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62219 Wonder Stories, December 1933], there credited to Frank R. Paul. Added credit and notes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:52, 10 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:THANKS! I knew it was Paul, of course, but had no idea how to find the original. Really appreciate you solving this mystery, Willem. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:26, 10 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Cryoburn notes changes ==<br />
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CD-ROM info added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?330962 Cryoburn] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:20, 14 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Mediation by Cadwell Turnbull ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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I discovered that the short story "Mediation" by Cadwell Turnbull, from the "Entanglements..." anthology, was incorrectly named "Meditation" in the ISFDB entry for the story. I confirmed that "Mediation" is the correct title both on the Amazon Kindle preview and the paper copy. Here is the link to the submitted edit.<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5151829<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:37, 16 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:THANKS for catching this! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:42, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Rat-Catcher's Yellows ==<br />
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All previous versions of this story are called "Rat Catcher's Yellows". The one in your book is "Rat-Catcher's Yellows" (note the extra "-"). We date variants as per their first appearance under their own name. So [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2945474 Rat-Catcher's Yellows] remains with a date of "2021-11-16" and gets varianted to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1919657 Rat Catcher's Yellows ] which carries the 2015 date. <br />
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PS: If we had had to merge (if the titles were truly the same), the re-dating would have been an unneeded step - the merge would have taken care of it. Let me know if you have any questions. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:24, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Uh ... this is somewhat embarassing ... but there's no dash in the name in Anders' new collection. I didn't catch that difference in the pre-existing stub. Sorry about the extra work, Annie. I submitted a correction.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:31, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Well, made you check it again - so we are all good :) For next time: Instead of an Edit, submit the merge directly. :) Using Advanced search, look for Titles where the title is "Rat Catcher's Yellows" or title is "Rat-Catcher's Yellows". That would put them in a position to be merged. Then just make sure that the parent is set to empty - and you are all set. I approved the edit and then did the merge. And yes - titles don't merge by magic so once created as separate titles, someone needs to submit a merge somewhere :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:36, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Space Pioneers ==<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47613 The Space Pioneers] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:23, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Robot Rocket ==<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46312 The Robot Rocket] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:40, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Toward(s) the Beloved City ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?58171 This Philip José Farmer story] is in the database as "Toward the Beloved City", but it was also published as "Towards the Beloved City". I'm going to change the title in it's first appearance and in our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6999 Chronicles of a Comer]. According to the PJF international bibliography it was also published as "Towards the Beloved City" in your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53435 Visions of Tomorrow]. Can you check the title there? If so, I can change that one too (it's a two step edit, remove the wrong title and import the right one). Thanks for checking, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 17:25, 1 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Yes, it should be "Towards ..." (with 's'). I've submitted the 2 edits. Thx for catching this! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:34, 1 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for the quick response. Both edits approved. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 17:36, 1 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dangerous Visions and New Worlds ==<br />
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Hi Markwood -<br />
I've been adding the INTERIORART and COVERART records to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?857418 paperback edition] of ''Dangerous Visions and New Worlds''. The addition of the content is complete. I do intend to do another pass identifying which cover for all the uncredited items. Just letting you know in case you want to import them into your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?863618 hardcover edition]. I'll take care of importing them into the ebook. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:47, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:HOLY SHIT, RON! That's an insane, and wonderful, amount of work. HUGE KUDOS, dude. I've imported all your hard work into the hardcover edition. Take off the rest of the day. You've earned it. ;) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:33, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Space Art ==<br />
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Hello, Markwood. If you could, would you add the illustrations in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?271678 this book?] Thank you.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 00:18, 8 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Hi, Rosa. I'll work on this project as time allows, but it's a big request: almost 200 pages with probably > 1 artwork per page. Let me know if you've got any particular priorities for the project. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:27, 8 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::I'm interested in Chesley Bonestell's art, especially "Exploring Copernicus." Thanks!--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:28, 8 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Special Wonder: The Anthony Boucher Memorial Anthology of Fantasy and Science Fiction ==<br />
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On verifying [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31569 this pub] I noticed two things. The "H. B. Fyfe" story on page 209 is credited as by "Horace B. Fyfe" and my copy has a page inserted between page 360 and 361, containing the last page of the Margaret St. Clair story that was "omitted by mistake". The printed story ends with "It was nearly five weeks before he was released.", the insert starts with "He wanted above all things to find Rhysha." Is yours the same, and can I correct the Fyfe story / add the insert to the notes? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:06, 12 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Yes to both. It's "Horace B. Fyfe" in my copy. I didn't notice that when I verified the stub. My copy doesn't have the last page of "Brightness Falls ...". You're lucky it's still in yours. Color me jealous. :) But I've got the complete story in other books, thank goodness. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:42, 12 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks and done. I uploaded and linked a (fuzzy) scan of the insert, and tried to e-mail you a printable version, but I can't mail you through ISFDB. If you want a copy, let me know. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:14, 13 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Appreciate the offer, Willem, but don't need a copy of the insert. That said, THANKS for posting a copy on ISFDB in case someone else needs it. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:49, 21 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Gapping ==<br />
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https://web.archive.org/web/20020703121736/http://www.antipodean-sf.com:80/stories/story7.htm; You PV'd an edition of Memoryville Blues, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436397. The Darren Speegle story seems to be a reprint from 2002 on Antipodean SF; is there any mention of that in your book, and also it's odd because it's the last story in the book and couldn't run more than a couple of pages yet there's nearly 30 pages after it judging by the page count; maybe he greatly expanded it from the original? --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:16, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Hello, "Username" (? :). Thanks for heads-up. I researched and submitted edit to the title record. The Antipodean publication is an early 'flash fiction' vignette of the story, using the same title. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:42, 21 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks; and yes, Username is my username. Eight letters, easy to remember. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:10, 21 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Memory Librarian: And Other Stories of Dirty Computer ==<br />
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Future books are not eligible to be added until they are within 90 days of publication - and with the current state of publication, even that can get tricky sometimes so a closer date is better but it will be approved 90 days before it is due. Based on that I had to reject [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5170874 this one]. Feel free to resubmit (or to ping someone to unreject this one) in a month or so if the expected date is still the same. Thanks for the understanding. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 22 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:OK, no prob. Thanks for info. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:59, 23 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Enchanted: A History of Fantasy Illustration ==<br />
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Hi Markwood<br />
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I've added the Worldcat number to Kowalski's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?789960 Enchanted: A History of Fantasy Illustration]''. I'd also like to add the interior art items. Please let me know if you have any obhections. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:01, 27 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:I appreciate that, Ron. Never a problem with another PV editing a listing I've PV'd. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:19, 27 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Damon Knight's Orbit 15 - Edward Wellen stories ==<br />
<br />
Hi,<br />
<br />
James Davis Nicoll has [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25109 reviewed an archive.org scan of this anthology], which he says lacks the 2 Edward Wellen stories in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25109 the pub you verified]. I wouldn't have followed up on this, except for the fact that the recorded page numbers seem a bit unlikely, unless these stories are *very* short indeed. That isn't outside the realms of possibility, looking at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?674481 a translated pub] that has these and 7 other stories apparently all sharing the same page (?!?).<br />
<br />
I did have a quick look at archive.org, and those Wellen stories aren't mentioned on the scanned contents page. (I haven't "borrowed" the book from them to verify beyond the small handful of pages they make available to anyone, as I don't agree with their cavalier approach to book copyright.) Both the pub here and the scan on archive.org are the first edition.<br />
<br />
I did notice in the edit history there's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?609689 an edit that only references these 2 stories], but that seems to be making a slight tweak to existing data, so I don't think it's relevant.<br />
<br />
Any chance you or the other PV can double-check your copies? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 11:21, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yeah, I understand why those Wellen stories look improbable. But, yes, they are both on the same page. Here they are, in their entirety: "IF EVE HAD FAILED TO CONCEIVE / . / The End" and "WHY BOOTH DIDN'T KILL LINCOLN / [blank line] / The End". It stretches the definition to call these "stories". Maybe it'd be more appropriate to call them "poems", or maybe "Zen paradoxes"? Beats me ... but Damon Knight chose to include them in his anthology, so we should include them in ISFDB. I can't explain why the archive.org scan omitted page 41 ... unless maybe the harried scanning nerd said "WTF" and blew it off. :) Let me know if you'd like any edits to the pub record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:02, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks - I see someone else has responded to him on Twitter with [https://twitter.com/KitCase3/status/1475869230390259716 a photo of the offending page]. I'll edit the pub note to state that those stories aren't listed on the contents page, and link to that photo for anyone still curious. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 14:04, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:57, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Old Die Rich and Other Science Fiction Stories ==<br />
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Added note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44832 The Old Die Rich and Other Science Fiction Stories].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:27, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:32, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Partners in Wonder ==<br />
<br />
Added a note on the publication date to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25649 Partners in Wonder][[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:07, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Remote Control ==<br />
<br />
Added Canadian price, the source for the exact publishing date and a note for the Jacket designer and the Editor in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?812724 our verified]. Let me know if you have any issues with either. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:01, 14 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Prentice Hall Anthology of Science Fiction and Fantasy ==<br />
<br />
Hi.<br />
<br />
I picked up a copy of this anthology, and I have some questions and probable edits. I posted that complete discussion over at MLB's User Talk Page, see http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MLB#Prentice_Hall_Anthology_of_Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy_-_Questions_and_possible_edits<br />
<br />
As far as I can tell, the ISFDB TOC is identical for both versions, with probably the same issues.<br />
<br />
Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 00:33, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Galapagos==<br />
<br />
I am PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?706513 Galapagos] and will correct "... has been previously printed by The Franklin Library" to "... has been privately printed by The Franklin Library" [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 12:01, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Will also add the cover art credit from the rear dustjacket flap. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 12:06, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:19, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Bangs & Whimpers ==<br />
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Added a note to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279807 Bangs & Whimpers].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:51, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== HTML in titles ==<br />
<br />
Hello, <br />
<br />
We do not support HTML inside of the title of any stories, interior art and so on. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Title the Fonts] section for details. So "The Leibnitz Mountains seen during an eclipse of the Sun by the Earth, from The Conquest of Space" needs to remain naked, it cannot be <nowiki>The Leibnitz Mountains seen during an eclipse of the Sun by the Earth, from <i>The Conquest of Space</i></nowiki>. I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2966821 here] and will fix it in a few more titles you added. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:18, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:OK, thanks. Good to know. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:17, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: All fixed. And signing above because I apparently forgot to. Sorry :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:18, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Lafferty in "The New Mind" ==<br />
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Can you check your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14778 The New Mind] for me? According to my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51284 Through Elegant Eyes] the four Lafferty stories were under the collective title "Four Sides of Infinity". I would like to add that to the notes, and correct the 2nd paperback printing. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:54, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:You are correct. I submitted an edit to the pub notes. Thanks for catching this omission. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:48, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! Approved and copied to the other editions. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:12, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Burning Brightly anthology - contents and questions ==<br />
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Hi, you have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?877062 the hc of this] PVed. I've just added the contents for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?894737 the ebook], based on the Amazon preview and the details on the NewCon Press site, but there are a few niggles that maybe you can help with?<br />
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* There's no contents page (in the preview at least) and the order the stories are listed on the copyright page doesn't match the order listed on [http://www.newconpress.co.uk/info/book.asp?id=192 the NewCon site] - can you confirm the latter is correct?<br />
* The copyright page has an incorrect spelling of "Iain R. MacLeod", but his name is spelled correctly as "Ian" on the cover - do you know what appears on the actual story itself?<br />
* The Juliet E. McKenna story is listed as "Through the Veil" on the NewCon site and the copyright page, but [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/novacon SFE] says the chapbook was titled "Trace Elements", and on [https://www.julietemckenna.com/?page_id=19 the author's site], the chapbook is listed as "Through the Veil'''s'''/Trace Elements". I'll do some more digging around to see if that was 2 separate stories in one chapbook, or one story with 2 different titles, but if you can shed any light, that'd be much appreciated.<br />
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Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 18:03, 16 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for reminding me I'd not yet imported contents. Just now submitted that edit, and will add page numbers once imported. All contents match the ebook listing, including mis-spelled "Iain R. MacLeod" (and I'll add pub note about that. His name is spelled correctly on book jacket and story title page.) No "Trace Elements" on Contents page or story title page. Always appreciate reminders & fixes like these! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:13, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Cheers. Adding these contents has been on my to-do list since I submitted the bog standard paperback edition last year, and I didn't have anything better to do on Saturday, although it turned out to be more of a hassle than I was expecting. (Most of the NovaCon booklets from the past 10 years aren't in the database, so it's a case of getting one item off my to-do list, but adding another 10 or so...)<br />
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:: My understanding is that the title/author name on the story takes precedence over any sources, so if that does have "Ian" correctly spelled, then the "Iain" version is superfluous to requirements (although it probably needs a note somewhere). I'll fix that once you've got the page numbers in the hc. Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 17:18, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks - I've updated the page numbers/ordering for the ebook to match, and also changed the author name back to "Ian R. MacLeod". Still yet to start on all the missing NovaCon booklets though :-( [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 11:54, 23 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:44, 23 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== New Eves - A question about the "Winter's King" version ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
<br />
I see that you are the primary verifier for "New Eves: Science Fiction About the Extraordinary Women of Today and Tomorrow" (Forrest J. Ackerman, Janrae Frank, Jean Marie Stine, Longmeadow Press, 1994) (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192633).<br />
<br />
I have recently discovered that Ursula K. Le Guin had two different versions of her story "Winter's King". The original appeared in Orbit 5 in 1969; she put out a revised version in 1975 in "The Wind's Twelve Quarters". As has been pointed out by Rich Horton (https://www.blackgate.com/2022/01/16/winters-king-by-ursula-k-le-guin/), the 1976 version is different especially in the pronouns used for the King, and in some other related issues as well.<br />
<br />
Rich suspected that all subsequent versions published were the 1975 version. I have confirmed this for several published versions, such as "The Arbor House Treasury of Modern Science Fiction" and also in "Hainish Novels & Stories, Volume 1".<br />
<br />
I was not able to find a copy of "New Eves....". Assuming that you still have it, I would really appreciate it if you could check the version of "Winter's King". This might be obvious in the copyright although not necessarily and it should be obvious in the text.<br />
<br />
The 1975 version, which appears to be Le Guin's preferred version, referrs to the King as "her" and "she", not as "he" in the 1969 verion. In the 1975 version, the 2nd paragraph contains the text "...but when this picture was taken the young king had her back against a wall. She was filthy, she was trembling, and her face was blank and mad". In the original 1969 version, it is "he" and "his" throughout.<br />
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I would appreciate knowing which version is in "New Eves".<br />
<br />
Thanks your help, and let me know if you have any question.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 18:30, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, Dave. I have submitted edits for 'The Wind's Twelve Quarters' and 'New Eves' to address. You are correct that she modified the pronouns for 'Twelve Quarters', and that the revised version is published in 'New Eves'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:37, 8 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for the update and for taking care of that. After I see your updates, I'll check and see if I need to update any other records to cover this issue that I have been able to verify which version is in use..[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 23:53, 8 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of Pirx the Pilot ==<br />
<br />
Hello. I got myself a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34347 this]. There is a note that says "First Edition". My coppy has the same letter line "B C D E" but there is no "First Edition" wording anywhere on the copyright page. Also my copy is priced at $8.95. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:49, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry, but that's GREAT NEWS: means mine is a 1st printing, not a 2nd as I'd assumed. I'll correct my PV'd listing. Hope you can post your copy so we've got it documented. THANKS! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:31, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
::I did think that with a letter line beginning with B it couldn't be a first printing/edition. My copy has the same dustwrapper artwork so I cloned the record and retained the already associated cover art. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?901227 here] for my copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:16, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Ride: The Best Short Fiction of John Kessel ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5331319 this submission]: Another editor also submitted this. It is now in the database {{P|901127|here}}. As such, I had to reject yours as a duplicate. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:46, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:okey dokey. thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:31, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Adventures in Tomorrow + Jack of Eagles==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1660; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229505; Pub. series (Corwin) added. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:35, 7 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== R. A. Lafferty's From the Thunder Colt's Mouth ==<br />
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Hi, I've added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68121 this title] - which appears in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18137 an anthology you PVed] - based on [https://www.facebook.com/groups/eastoflaughter/posts/5147522055300789/ a FB discussion] that says it later appeared (in modified form) as part of the novel [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17001 Argo]. The latter doesn't have any PVs, so it seems unlikely that we can verify that claim, although 2 different people in that FB discussion corroborated the info, so it seems likely to be the case. Let me know if you have any objections to my edit. Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 12:34, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:No prob, of course. Hope someone can verify some day. Thanks for notice. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:59, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Final Dream ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39763; OL ID, OL cover and fixed title (&-and). --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:06, 11 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Isaac Asimov's Near Futures and Far ==<br />
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● I recently added the artist cover credit for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267884 Isaac Asimov's Near Futures and Far]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:47, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Stories ==<br />
<br />
Hi, I was comparing the English and the French edition of this title and noticed that according to [https://www.worldcat.org/title/stories/oclc/823751196 OCLC/WOrldcat] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33340 this book] is part of the 'Soviet Literature for Young People' series (just as the French edition is part of 'Littérature soviétique pour la jeunesse'). BTW: G. Petrov also did the cover art.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 14:51, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks, Dirk. I submitted a new pub note to reference the series. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:19, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Science-Fiction Subtreasury ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46572; 1 of the many editors who worked on the Bantam PB reprint wrote a note about copyright page saying this HC was published in September, so I've added that month to your PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:14, 12 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:THANKS! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:19, 12 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Evolution of Science Fiction ==<br />
<br />
Hi Markwood<br />
I added the catalog number from Reginald3 to your verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12709 Evolution of Science Fiction]''. Reginald gives the author as "Theodore Engel" and I've also added a note as to the discrepancy. I'm curious however as to why Reginald has a different credit, especially since it appears to be correct in Reginald1. The description is "[New York: Hugo Gernsback?, 1952?], 12 p., paper, nonf." which seems to be the same book. Is there anything in the physical book that mentions Engel? No hurry on answering, I'm just trying to satisfy my curiosity. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:27, 18 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks, Ron, for this note. I just submitted edit to add Theodore Engel as co-author of the pamphlet, with pub note about his role. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:06, 19 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov SF Anthology ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18600; I replaced unstable Amazon image with OL image, which also shows the spine. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:08, 21 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Baseball 3000 ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3630; I replaced cover with FantLab's and added OL ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:04, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== "Even Greater Mistakes", by Charlie Jane Anders ==<br />
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I added the primary artist for the cover based on the credit given on the back DJ flap. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:41, 1 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== R-A-M ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27228; I changed publisher to Hayden Book Company, as it appears on title page, and did the same for the other Hayden book on ISFDB, The Adventure Companion, which also has that publisher on title page, so both books will now be under the same publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:10, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:OK. Thanks for heads-up. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:43, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Who Goes There? ==<br />
<br />
Added a note and external ID to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54584 Who Goes There?].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:03, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Poe Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?788691; Copy uploaded to Archive a few days ago, https://archive.org/details/poestalesofmyste0000poee_l4p2, which seems to be a later printing than your PV judging by the letters on the copyright page, in case you're interested in adding it; also, I think LCCN that are in a book but not on LOC website are only supposed to be in notes, not ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:30, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Robot Artists & Black Swans Introduction ==<br />
<br />
In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?820881 Robot Artists & Black Swans] I changed the second introduction "Storia, Futurita, Fantasia, Scienze, Torino by Bruno Argento" by Neal Stephenson to "Storia, Futurita, Fantasia, Scienze, Torino" by Bruno Argento (Bruce Sterling), as the copyright page seen in the Amazon Look Inside confirms--Neal Stephenson's byline for the first intro remaining unchanged. I imported it into your PVed paper edition entry from the corrected ebook entry. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 19:36, 14 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith / The Best of Cordwainer Smith ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185413 The Best of Cordwainer Smith] and will change the page number of the Timeline from [7] to [7]|0.5 so that it displays in the correct order in the Contents. I will also add this note:<br />
<br>In this publication, the two stories "The Crime and the Glory of Commander Suzdal" and "Golden the Ship Was—Oh! Oh! Oh!" are printed in transposed order compared with the early Ballantine pb printings<br />
<br>The Timeline in all these books lists "Suzdal" before "Golden". Both stories take place c13,000 A.D. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 10:56, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Card's Elephants ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?700204; Pending edit by me fixing "other stories" to "Other Stories", noticed the title story isn't in the contents, it's on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?100322, but spelled "Poznan", so the audio book either has the wrong title or it's correct somewhere inside, in case you want to check and import the story, possibly as a variant title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:58, 4 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Submitted edit to add the title story. It's on side 1 with the 'Introduction' essay. Thx for catching the omission. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 16:47, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Black Leopard, Red Wolf ==<br />
<br />
I couple of questions on {{P|698166|Black Leopard, Red Wolf}}:<br />
*The tp edition contains five maps; one for each section but the last. Are those not present in the hc?<br />
*In the tp edition, the Contents is a table of contents. We don't normally index ToC. Is there more to it in the hc?<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:16, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Contents of my PV'd hardcover are identical to listed TP. Submitted edits to delete ToC and add maps. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 13:33, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:43, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spectrum Harcourt Editions ==<br />
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Dude, you PV a bunch of Amis/Conquest Spectrum anthologies, American editions, but you entered the numbers instead of the Roman Numerals, for all volumes after II. Do all your PV have III, IV, and V? Because I changed them using 2 exact copies on Archive.org and 1 year-later reprint of the last volume. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:04, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Hello, "Username". (Catchy handle. Witness protection program? ;) All the US "Spectrum" anthologies use Arabic, not Roman, numerals ... as shown in the cover pictures. If you changed them back to Roman numerals, the records would not accurately reflect the books as published. If you need a 3rd opinion, check with a moderator. Thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:03, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::Username has 8 letters, like Markwood, which used to be the standard length for almost everything online, and it's easy to remember unlike people who enter obscure, complicated passwords and then forget them later when they need them. Also, the title on the title page is how titles are supposed to be entered on ISFDB; volumes 3-5 have numbers on the covers but numerals on their title pages. So if you can check the title pages and let me know; I already know the answer, based on the Archive copies, but mods demand PV corroborate before they'll accept my edits, even though in almost every case like this the PV does just that. I don't know how many other PV you've done, but if any of them also involved numbers/numerals you might want to take a look at those, too, because they'll also need fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Edits submitted. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:43, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Someone uploaded a (coverless) copy of the original Spectrum (Harcourt edition), which you also PV, last month just a week or so after my last entry here, so I've added a link today in a pending edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:27, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick / The Acts of Paul ==<br />
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You have PVd [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588596 Gigantic Worlds] which contains [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2067767 Brief Synopsis for an Alternate World Novel: The Acts of Paul] by PKD. A couple of points: 1) I have a chapbook of this short story which is titled: "Brief Synopsis for Alternate World Novel: The Acts of Paul". There is no "an" before "Alternate". Can you please check whether the title in Gigantic Worlds does contain "an". 2) Do you have a source for the publication year of 1982? From what I can see, it was written in 1982 but first publication is in my 1987 chapbook. If so, the date should be 1987. Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:08, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Sorry, but I sold that book awhile ago. I just now switched my verification to 'transient'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:48, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::OK, thanks for letting me know. In that case I'll assume the title was correctly entered in Gigantic Worlds which means I shall 1) create the chapbook for "Brief Synopsis for Alternate World Novel: The Acts of Paul". 2) Variant the version of the title in Gigantic Worlds to the title in the chapbook. 3) Amend the date of the variant to 2015-09-00 as it needs to be the date of first publication of the variant. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:59, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::THANKS! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:40, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== F&SF 24 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35677; I've already changed the regular title to how it actually appears in the book and added an Archive.org link to your PV, so you'll need to check your copy and change "and" to "&" and add a colon after "fiction" in the title if your copy's the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:57, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Biscuit & Milk ==<br />
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Regarding the note to moderator in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5495019 this submission]: It is not possible to add styling to titles. Adding the styling to the notes as you have done here is the only method. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:07, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Santa Steps Out ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193445; I added the FantLab ID and saw there was interior art which is credited to Alan M. Clark on the copyright page, so I added that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:51, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== F&SF 23, 22==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35676; Shouldn't there be a colon after Fiction in the title, cover art, and introduction? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35675; Also for this one; the PB doesn't have a colon, either, but you didn't PV that. I also added Archive.org link to this edition and added month to regular title and introduction but the essay I didn't because I don't know whether that's a reprint even though it has a 1977 date; you'll know, I'm sure, and can fix it if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:36, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:There's no colon in either anthology's title on their title page, copyright page, half-title page, jacket front, jacket back, or jacket front flap. Let me know if there's a reason to add a colon where none currently exists. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 17:23, 16 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913019 The History of Science Fiction] ==<br />
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Hi! I have found an entry with OCLC (1236259750) that lists an ISBN (9781643379142). Maybe that number is somewhere hiddenly listed within your PVed pub.? Also, I'd like to think it seems somewhat reasonable to list the artist as co-author, with this being a graphic format title. What do you think? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:09, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:Howdy! Yes indeed, thanks to your suggestion I looked further and found it in the barcode on back cover. Submitted edit with that addition. Regarding how to list artists of graphic format publications ... I don't know the ISFDB standard. I've been listing using the 'artist' field, only. Is there an alternate listing protocol for graphic format pubs? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:23, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I'd say it is more often found that both (author & artist) are credited, like in a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?18279 comic entry], but both ways of indexing are to be found in the database. Just looking at this work leads me to think that text & art are inseparable entwined ... Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:41, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spectrum V ==<br />
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I updated the title of {{P|921982|Spectrum V}} from 5 to V based on the pub notes since we enter pub titles per their tittle page. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:20, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spaceman of Bohemia ==<br />
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You might want to check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?603503 Spaceman of Bohemia]. Although the cover design is credited to Allison Warner the artwork itself is credited to Dorling Kindersly.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 19:27, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Good catch. Thanks. Submitted edit to add her. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:33, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Forrest J. Ackerman credits ==<br />
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When you have a moment, could you please check how your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact&TERM_1=Forrest+J.+Ackerman&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Markwood&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication verified Forest J Ackerman] pubs credit Ackerman? The other day a user pointed out that most of Ackerman's books/stories use {{A|Forrest J Ackerman}} as opposed to {{A|Forrest J. Ackerman}}, but only 30-ish of our pubs credit him that way. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:38, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No period after "J" on all title pages. "Gosh Wow" has a period after "J" in the copyright, the rest don't. I'll submit edits for all to remove the period, as shown on the title pages. Whoever caught this ... thanks! It's a good catch. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 18:44, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for checking! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:51, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy, 2012 Edition ==<br />
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I have submitted substantial changes to the publication record of this title. Since you PV'd it, I wanted you to know. You can view the submission here: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5545171 I forgot to mention my reason for altering the page count. The last page, "About the Editor," is numbered in the table of contents. Any concerns, let me know. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 09:59, 17 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Octavia E. Butler / Wild Seed ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?198157 Wild Seed] and will add Pub Series and a Pub Note with source of Month. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:18, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Octavia E. Butler / Parable of the Talents ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25597 Parable of the Talents] and will add a pub note about the different ISBN stated in barcode box. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:13, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Octavia E. Butler / Fledgling ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?72706 Fledgling] and will correct the page count to 317 and add pub notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:15, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Digital Domains ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303312; I fixed title ("and Fantasy" on title page, seen on OL). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Life Beyond Us ==<br />
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While approving your edit adding the contents to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?933143 Life Beyond Us] I noticed quite a few case errors. Please follow our standards for English titles.<br />
The ISFDB case regularization rules are as follows:<br />
<ul><li>the first word is capitalized.<br />
<li>all later words are capitalized except for "a", "an", "and", "at", "by", "for", "from", "in", "of", "on", "or", "the", "to", and "with".<br />
<li>hyphenated words have the first letter after the hyphen capitalized. </ul><br />
Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:57, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robot Artists... ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?820881; Artist is Coulthart, not Coulthard. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:12, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Boucher - "S-F Books - 1960" or "S-F Books: 1960"? ==<br />
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Could you check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34940 The 6th Annual of the Year's Best S-F] to see exactly how Boucher's essay is titled - I suspect it might be "S-F Books: 1960". If it is, and it's ok with you, I'll make the change. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:14, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi, Kev. Good catch! Yes, it's a colon, not a dash. Thanks for making the edit to ISFDB. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:18, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that, and you're welcome. I'll get on it and it will show up in your changed PV alerts. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:42, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Re image links ==<br />
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HI! After you upload the image [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:CTSCRDLXBZ1976.jpg], click on the body of the image which should take you to this[https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/7f/CTSCRDLXBZ1976.jpg]. Use this image link. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:05, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title type for Biographies (The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy 2012) ==<br />
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Hi, you're one of 2 active PV's for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1421198 Rich Horton's 2012 Best SF&F]. I'm 99.9999% certain that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1480310 Biographies] should be an ESSAY rather than SHORTFICTION, but I thought best just to sanity check before changing a pub that others have verified. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:53, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Good catch. Thanks! Fixed. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 13:53, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== A Scanner Darkly graphic novel ==<br />
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A few questions for you.<br />
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You're the PV for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?81676 this trade paperback] (with only Dick as the author), and you have a submission on hold for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5550059 the hardcover] (with both Dick and Linklater as the authors). You have both with the same ISBN. Is this correct? In general, especially from established publishers, the same ISBN isn't used for two different formats (TP and HC). The rules of ISBN usage specifically state that different formats should have different ISBNs. <br />
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Do these contain the full text of the novel, or are they adaptations that use the images in place of some of the descriptive text? If they do not contain the full text of the novel, the graphic novels should not be varianted to the novel. Since the cover of the graphic novel states "Based on the novel by Philip K. Dick", it leads me to believe this is an adaptation, not the full novel.<br />
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Regarding the titles, there's no need to include the disambiguator "(Graphic Novel)" following the title since the original novel and the graphic novel have different authors (the novel is only by Dick, and the graphic novel is by both Dick and Linklater). <br />
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Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:07, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Clock That Went Backward ==<br />
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Concerning 1881 short story "The Clock That Went Backward" by Edward Page Mitchell:<br />
We have ten remaining publications as {{t|93690|The Clock That Went Backwards}} (with final 's'), which has been the parent title until yesterday. Eight are primary verified including five of your verified anthologies. I hope you will check them: BACKWARD or BACKWARDS?<br />
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(The new story title notes are already out of date. I will update probably next fortnight.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:53, 11 March 2023 (EST)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace&diff=657474
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<center>PLEASE NOTE:</center><br />
If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a missing COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)<br />
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See <br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive]] (2007-2009 [1])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive2]] (2009 [2])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive3]] (2010)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive4]] (2011)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive5]] (2012)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive6]] (2013)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive7]] (2014)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive8]] (2015)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive9]] (2016)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive10]] (2017)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive11]] (2018)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive12]] (2019)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive13]] (2020)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive14]] (2021)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15]] (2022)<br />
for older discussions.<br />
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== A Hand-Drawn Map of New Crobuzon - interior artwork by China Miéville ==<br />
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Hi Ron, I have a 12th printing of the 2011 edition of China's novel Perdido Street Station and I'm trying to sort out all the map references under different titles to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442912 his credited map here]. So I can make sure it's the same map, could you do me a favour and check for me:<br />
:China is definitely credited as the artist.<br />
:"New Crobuzon" appears as the title at bottom left.<br />
:4 points of the compass at top right.<br />
:Key (Skyrail, Railways, Woodland) at bottom right.<br />
:Scale (2 miles) at top left.<br />
If the map is the same as the one I have, I think several changes would be in order.<br />
:'Your' map pub date is 2013-10-00 - I think this should be a variant of the original map pub title/date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1666143 - see here], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19616 and here].<br />
:Further, a search on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=crobuzon&type=All+Titles on Crobuzon] shows Hitspacebar (in his 2014 entry) to be the only one titling the map correctly according to the Help guidelines.<br />
:Accordingly and if you think it's correct, I propose changing the titles of all the maps to "New Corbuzon (map) (2000-03-00) by China Miéville (as by uncredited)" and varianting your 2013 title to that.<br />
I hope this all makes sense - the maps are a mess :) Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:18, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi BanjoKev<br />
:I also have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?311532 7th Del Rey printing]. The map in the World Fantasy Convention book is definitely a different map than that published in the Del Rey editions. It is credited to Miéville insofar as it is part of a collection of his drawings with a paragraph explaining when and why he drew them. While I don't believe it's mentioned in the help pages, there is a de facto standard of naming INTERIORART records by their caption when present, which is why the hand drawn map is named as it is. Thus, the 2013 map should not be re-titled or made a variant of the other maps.<br />
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::That's great! Could you add a note to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1713854 title record] so that this doesn't get messed up in future? --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:30, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I see you've done that already, thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:41, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:The map in the Del Rey edition matches your description with the exception that there is no artist credited. The map is not currently listed in the publication record of my copy. I agree with you that this map should be titled "New Crobuzon (map)" (correcting a small typo). Since you're working on this, I'll hold off on adding it to my publication until after you've determined the title and original date of the other maps. I do suspect that it occurs in all the Del Rey editions. You can go ahead and import the ultimate title record for the map to the 7th Del Rey edition. Alternatively, you can let me know once you're done merging that maps and I can do that. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:11, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::So, your different map is the only one credited to China - all the rest are uncredited. I'll sort all this out, including the 7th Del Rey and let you know when it's all done. Many thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:30, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I've completed all the changes needed for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1666143 all the maps], including your 7th Del Rey printing. The only loose end is the map & novel pagination in yours if you'd do the honours. Thanks for your help, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:52, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Forest J. Ackerman credits ==<br />
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When you have a moment, could you please check how your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact&TERM_1=Forrest+J.+Ackerman&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Rtrace&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication verified Forest J Ackerman] pubs credit Ackerman? The other day a user pointed out that most of Ackerman's books/stories use {{A|Forrest J Ackerman}} as opposed to {{A|Forrest J. Ackerman}}, but only 30-ish of our pubs credit him that way. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Both lacked the period after the middle initial and I've changed them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:09, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for checking! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:40, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Moon Maiden ==<br />
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Dear sir:<br />
I am fond of Garrett P. Serviss. In fact, I have read all his works (but The Moon Maiden) and I am translating them into Spanish for first time (e.g. https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B09NRJTWT3).<br />
I have not managed to get a text of The Moon Maiden in any format and I have not been able to find Argosy 1915 not in paper nor scanned. I tried everything! <br />
Could you, please, somehow, hand me a scanned version (or pictured by phone or any mean) of the pages of Argosy May 1915 where it was first published? Nothing I can offer in exchange but gratitude and, if you wish, credit.<br />
Best regards.<br />
Rubene Guirauta (RubeneGuirauta@gmail.com){{unsigned|Lidenbrock}} <br />
:Hi Rubene<br />
:Unfortunately, I do not own a copy of that issue of Argosy. I think you may have gotten the impression that I do because of the secondary verifications that I have marked on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?277246 the publication record]. What I have verified is that Bleiler's ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1280738 Science-Fiction: The Early Years]'', Clute and Nicholls ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102324 Encyclopedia of Science Fiction]'' and Tuck's ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102393 The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy]'' all mention that issue of Argosy. Without rechecking each of those references, I suspect the issue is listed because of the Serviss story, the Franklin story, or both. As I'm sure you are aware, there is a later publication of the novel by Crawford/FPCI, but again, I don't possess a copy and have only verified its existence through secondary sources. I did also look for that issue of Argosy at [https://archive.org/ the Internet Archive], which does have scans of many pulps, but unfortunately not the one you're looking for. Good luck with your project, and I'm sorry I couldn't be more help. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:55, 16 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Hi Ron<br />
::Thank you very much for your answer. I understand the role of verificator... but I had to make this attempt, there was a chance you could have it. It is really a challenge to find this issue of Argosy (or the edition of 1978 of The Moon Maiden). I have tried in Internet Archive, Hathi Trust, Library of Congress and others, and in second hand sellers (Abebooks, eBay, Facebook groups...) unsuccessfully. In case in future (this quest is going to last, I am afraid) you could get any information, copy, scan, picture or any clue, please let me know. Best regards. Rubene.<br />
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== Heroic Fantasy frontispiece artist ==<br />
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There's an unentered frontispiece in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16965 Heroic Fantasy] that has a signature that I don't know how to interpret. Do you? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:20, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Is that an "R G K" which may indicate [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?901 Roy G. Krenkel]? He did do some covers for DAW. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:37, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon image for Assassin's Price ==<br />
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I have replaced the Amazon image with a scan from my copy for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657176 Assassin's Price] by L. E. Modesitt, Jr. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:34, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lovecraft's Notes ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/books/OL20222766M/Some_notes_on_H.P._Lovecraft.; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281745; OL cover has the price on it; alternate? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I don't think it's an alternate. My copy has the price and I've replaced the image with a scan of my copy. Given the date of the previous upload, I was probably replacing an unstable Amazon image and may have just saved theirs and re-uploaded. I don't know what publication the image without a price represents. Chalker/Owings mentions two subsequent editions. There was a library edition published without imprint by people associated with the University of Wisconsin. However C/O states that it was bound in green cloth and issued without a jacket. There was also a 1982 edition from Necronomicon Press, but their publications are usually larger in size. In any case, the image is now correct. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:00, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Wizard of Maldoone ==<br />
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Ron, Any objection to converting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 to CHAPBOOK]? While approving the addition of the softcover, I looked at the scan in the internet archive. There is no way this is 40,000 words. I'm checking since you entered the hc edition and added the secondary verifications. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:30, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No objection at all. I've only verified from secondary sources. Reginald uses the terms "novel" or "story" for length and I believe has different thresholds for these terms than ours. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:03, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Whispers, 1987 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289107; https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/219866_3; I added FantLab ID to digest edition; Russell story says "Kolorized" on contents page, not "Kolarized", and Eisenstein story says "Weasling", not "Weaseling". 1 seems like contents may be right, the other one seems like a misspelling. So if you can check your HC copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:15, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:It looks like [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] has already taken care of the correction and explained the contents error. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:07, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pearl Pumpkin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?342293; Halloween, not Haloween, according to title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:31, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:08, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baxter - Raft ==<br />
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Hi Ron, just noticed your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?664698 Raft]. My later printing pagination is x-245 - perhaps yours is a typo? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:57, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Not a typo. The last numbered page in my copy is 246. The last page has the author bio and is numbered. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:43, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Black Sorcerer ==<br />
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Hi Ron, could you moderate [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5568056 this submission] please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:59, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Done. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:44, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thank you Ron! That record solves a lot of problems. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:14, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Walter Wiggins ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5567353; Isn't that a title page photo in the AbeBooks link I provided in the moderator note, with a Jr. on it? Also, I re-did the other edit of mine you rejected recently re: changing Charnal to Charnel with the page that says Charnel House on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:19, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:So it does. I've changed the author's name which allowed me to approve your original edit without losing data. Just keep in mind, that when you change the last reference to an author's name in a publication or title, the software deletes the old author record and creates a new one. Thus, any data on the old author record is lost. No need to inform me about the re-issued edit, it will come up in the queue be handled by whoever is working it at the time. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:32, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Honestly, you're the main handler of my edits these days; some mods have quit recently, at least for the time being, others just do a few of my edits now and then that you skip for one reason or another. Dirk used to do a lot of mine until recently (he used to do a lot in my early days but got mad at me and stopped doing them for awhile) when he got mad at somebody else on these boards and decided to take a break until 2024, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Acceptable_moderator_behavior.3F, and JLaTondre and Ahasuerus used to do a bunch when they had the time but they're so busy doing site stuff that it rarely happens anymore. So odds are you'll be the one to approve that specific edit and you'll know why I provided the zine link because you're the one who rejected it and asked for proof; someone else may be unclear why I'm adding something like that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:52, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::As it turns out, I was the one who worked that edit. However, the title wasn't correct for what was in the scan. I've corrected it and it's fine now. If I'm the only one working the queue, then that's a problem. As I am going on vacation starting tomorrow, I will be approving few if any edits in the next 10 days. I do see other moderators approving edits other than their own in the recent approvals page. I'm not surprised that other moderators skip some of your edits. I do that myself when you've failed to notify primary verifiers, or not provided sufficient sources for your edit. I also skip them in cases where the research required to approve your edit is more than I have time for while I'm working the queue. In the past, I have held your submissions and left notes on your talk page, but this invariably results in arguments that you feel you don't need to notify or document. I'm tired of making the same arguments each time, so I choose to ignore these edits. I will still reject or hold edits that are destructive, or that introduce potentially incorrect data. I can't speak as to why others skip your edits, but this has been my experience. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:25, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I'm fully aware of why you skip certain of my edits, although in almost all cases whatever I did in those edits ends up being approved by others because it was correct; most of my edits end up being approved by you, anyway, so the ones you skip are in the minority. As I've said before, with the massive amount of edits I do (more than almost any other non-moderator in the history of this site, and that's in just 2 years or so) I don't expect every one of them to be approved; a few always fall by the wayside. In the case of the Charnel House thing, I see that you added those secondary verifications you mentioned which had the incorrect "Charnal", but the scan of the issue at hand has been available on Archive.org for many years, so really before adding those verifications less than a year ago you could easily have checked all info in the magazine itself and would have discovered this problem and fixed it yourself instead of me having to fix it like I've had to fix thousands of other things on this site (and I suspect there are many other Cemetery Dance mistakes on ISFDB since so many different people have worked on the 70+ issues). Re: Dirk, he used to do a lot of mine, didn't like the fact that I questioned some of his rejections, and decided to stop, but started again last year, then stopped completely because of his problems with other mods, including both of those I mentioned above and a few others, questioning him. Apparently he has a problem with being questioned. Other mods just don't have the time because the server move created such a big mess they spend most of their time bug-fixing. I'm sure there's a couple that have some personal grudge against me because I'm not an ass-kisser who bows and scrapes so they can get themselves self-moderator status and that's why they rarely approve anything of mine (although they still do occasionally, usually for edits that have some minor problem they can complain about) but honestly, who cares, 43,000 edits and counting. I'm an amateur just doing this to pass the time; I have no time for any of the personal issues so many on here seem to have. As I go through old board messages I can see that many of the angry people who still edit on this site behaved the same way LONG before I started here, so really none of this has anything to do with me. Also, if you ever feel upset about a few of my edits not being exactly done right, just remember how many countless edits either approved by you for others or entered by you personally I've had to fix. Do I complain about that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:14, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Ron. I should be a self-approver here and I expect you agree with that. I prefer to be nominated by a longtime heavy-duty contributor, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if you, plural, is available, ready and willing in the next ~20 hours. I write to a couple others too.<br />
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A couple hours ago, you approved this morning's creation of a parent Nancy Drew collection as by "unknown", noted "1st of 5 this collection". Recently I had deleted the other four, and several more, upon suddenly recognizing that it only creates more work to Make parent titles without attending first to the Juvenile tag, among other things. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:39, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Le Guin - The Wind's Twelve Quarters and The Compass Rose ==<br />
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Hi Ron, is [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THWNDSTWLC0000.jpg this image] any use for your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?523721 PV here]?<br />
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Same for this [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THMNWHFLLD0000.jpg image] for yours [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567977 here]. Kev.<br />
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: Better yet, I can upload to your pubs "your-pub-specific" images which are exactly the same as the Amazon ones if that's ok with you. I'm trying to avoid linked images like the plague now, I did a test to find out the bad things that can happen with linked images. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:41, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I don't worry that much about Amazon images except for the ones known to be unstable. I do know with the SF Masterworks they've frequently had images that differ slightly from the printed copies, but not in this case. However, if you're more comfortable, I can link to your images. No need to duplicate them in the server. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:46, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Demons By Daylight ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/demonsbydaylight0000camp; Does this require a separate entry, having the $6.00 sticker you mention in your notes, or should I just add it to your PV? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:10, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No need for a separate publication record. None of the secondary sources ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?983721 Chalker/Owings], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?971274 Jaffery], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?152881 Nielsen], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?709492 Joshi]) mention a change in price, though I'm sure that is what this is. My copy is one of the ones with the sticker. However, the addition of a sticker isn't really a new publication. I've gone ahead and added the link to the scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robot Visions ==<br />
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You verified a {{P|792984|3rd printing}}. I'd like to verify the {{P|278195|4th}} but I have some updates to the contents which are likely the same in your printing:<br />
* artwork on page ii is same as on page 260. I would change the latter to the same title.<br />
* artwork on page 42 is not listed. We could call this "Robot Visions [12]"<br />
* page 82 should say 83<br />
I can update both printings if you're in agreement. Thanks. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:13, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:All these changes are fine, except for the repeated artwork on pages ii and 260. A single title record cannot occur twice in the same publication. Thus if you renamed the artwork on page 260 to "Robot Visions" and then tried to merge the two INTERIORART titles, it would create a problem. What we want to do instead is to make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?954582 Robot Visions (8)] (changed brackets to parentheses for the wiki markup only) into a variant of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?645229 Robot Visions]. Please feel fee to proceed with the changes. I can help with the variant if you're not familiar with how to do that. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:25, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for the help. I found instructions on making variants and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584016 went ahead]. Hope I got that right. Once that lands I'll go ahead with the edits to both pubs. I could use a clue on creating the new art title "Robot Visions [12]." My guess is I just put that in when editing a publication, and a title entry is automatically created in the db? [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 10:58, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::By sheer coincidence, Robot Visions is next up on my pile and this thread came up on my watchlist. I have the VGSF [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?227061 1st printing] if I can be of any assistance :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:34, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Does your book have the same interior art? If so you could add them to the contents, once we're done with the title changes. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 10:58, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Not the same. I'll use your pagination for clarity (mine is different).<br />
::::* Yours has 11 pages of interiorart, mine has 12.<br />
::::* My art in the stories agrees with your pages: ii, 3, 24, 51, 82, 123, 235, 245, 343, 359, 401.<br />
::::* Mine also has art in "Too Bad!" (a couple looking at a robot they're considering buying). It would be good if you would allow a gap for this in your numbering(?) system, so that this one can fit in nicely with the sequence when I add it.<br />
::::* The art for "The Bicentennial Man" is the same as at your ii.<br />
::::* My book pagination is correct at 383 pages and it's counted from the very first page inside the front cover. The first numbered page is page 7 and the Introduction starts on page 9. There are no pages with Roman numerals, as yours has.<br />
::::[edit] It might be a good idea to put a brief description of the art in the title records when the dust has settled, to aid identification and guard against publishers swapping the art around. Let me know if there's anything else. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:22, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Kev, [https://photos.app.goo.gl/CrMbkK7oU1AnS3GU7 here are photos] of all the art in {{P|278195|my book}} if you want to compare with yours. If you were comparing with what isfdb currently says, I'm sorry, I haven't fixed that yet. (I'll let you know.) I love your idea of describing the art in the notes. I mean, unless there's a way to put in actual pictures (Ron?) then notes are needed to make the entries useful so I will add some. My book does indeed have roman numerals, only on the TOC pages oddly enough. ymmv. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 14:59, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::I wouldn't suggest linking to scans of the artwork, which is under copyright. I do have a suggestion, though it is a bit more work. There are a few ways that INTERIORART can be named. Here we have named it after the title of the collection, with a numeric disambiguator added to all but the first title. However, we could name each INTERIORART with the title of the story where the artwork occurs (and for which it presumably illustrates). Thus, we would avoid having to name a missed record our of sequence (Robot Visions [12]), and it would also go some way to describe each title. This would make a description less necessary, but it can still be added if desired. I would recommend naming the artwork on page ii as "Robot Visions (frontispiece)" while still making it's repeat on page 260 a variant. The only drawbacks to this, are that it's a bunch of edits, and we would want to notify the active primary verifiers of all the editions. Actually, it looks that aside from us three, that would only include [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]. We should also probably break the variant relationship for the Portuguese title. That title appears to be for all the artwork for the book and not just the frontispiece. This should be checked with the verifier. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:12, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::Thanks for the suggestion Ron. I'm willing to tackle this. I was going to edit all the titles anyway so renaming them along the way doesn't seem like much more work. I think it's ok to start with the variant business you proposed above? As I said up there (but easily missed because I foolishly inserted it in the middle of the thread) I already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584016 a submission] in for that. And as I asked up there, to create a title one just adds it to a publication, and if it doesn't match an existing title a new entry is created? Thanks. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 19:45, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Sorry, I meant to answer that. But it sounds like you've got it. Just edit the publication and use the add title button. After you've added it to one publication, you can use the import tools to get it in the other publications. You'll need the Title Record # from either the newly added title (after it is approved), if you want to add an individual title, or you can import all the titles from the container that has the new one. The software is smart enough that it doesn't try to import titles that are already there, so you'll catch anything missing from the target record that is in the source record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:00, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
(unindent) Good idea putting the photos up for me to identify! It does take us a little further down the wormhole though.<br />
* We've each got all 12 artworks.<br />
* My versions of your p.37 (Too Bad!) & p.359 (Galley Slave) have been horizontally reversed - not that that matters to our titling, but it's a nice little observation to include in the ''Publication Notes'' if they're different from your description in the canonical title - for instance, in my publication notes I would add "The image for [........] has been reversed in this collection". This led me to consider how you would describe the art depiction in the ''Title Records''#. The only thing I could come up with to overcome the 'direction' would be something like, for p.37, "....Robot facing ''page-right''." and similarly for p.359. It's a bit more difficult with a couple of others... For the frontispiece (good one Ron) and p.260, the best indicator is the lighting on the robot's hand to ''page-left'': brighter than the other one. For p.235 something like "...top of head hinged up towards ''page-left''."<br />
* I like the titling method: "Robot Visions (frontispiece)", "Robot Visions (Introduction: The Robot Chronicles)" ...etc. This will cover all eventualities I think.<br />
*:Not precisely what I was suggesting. For the artwork on page 3, I would name it "Introduction: The Robot Chronicles"; "Robot Visions" for page 24, "Too Bad!" for page 42, etc. This is how these would be handled if this were a magazine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:24, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
I appreciate the work you're putting into this, I'm sure the end result will be rewarding :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:58, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: It's good practice doing different kinds of edits. I drafted [[User_talk:Fjh#The_Robot_Visions_McQuarrie_INTERIORART_Project_:.29|descriptions]] for each piece of art, if anyone wants to suggest improvements before I start submitting them. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 15:14, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::I think you've done a pretty good job of meeting your goals there! Here are some suggestions for you:<br />
::* Too Bad! - "...glasses at left and man at right standing..." - i.e. lose the brackets.<br />
::* The Bicentennial Man - again, lose the brackets, plus:<br />
:::* Make this the canonical and the frontispiece the variant - if a publisher is going to drop one of them, it'd probably be the frontispiece - yes/no?.<br />
:::* "Robot in open shirt, holding board over its head. Pens in robot's left shirt pocket."<br />
::* frontispiece - "Same illustration as for The Bicentennial Man. Robot in open shirt, holding board over its head. Pens in robot's left shirt pocket." - the use of 'variant' could be misconstrued?<br />
:: The other nine descriptions are excellent, and I also like Ron's magazine-like title treatment. Hope this helps.<br />
:: Btw Ron, how much do we owe you for the rent? :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:16, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::No charge. My talk page is your talk page. I just appreciate you and [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] doing all this work. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
=== plan/progress ===<br />
(Ron if you don't want this spam here let me know) [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:03, 19 February 2023 (EST)<br />
* done: {{T|954582|pg. 260 art}} is a variant of {{T|645229|pg. ii art}}. {{P|792984|3rd}} and {{P|278195|4th}} printing notes already say these are the same picture.<br />
* done: add pg. 42 art and fix page numbering 82 -> 83 in {{P|278195|4th printing}}<br />
* done: add pg. 42 art in {{P|792984|3rd printing}}<br />
* done: fix page numbering 82 -> 83 in {{P|792984|3rd printing}}<br />
* done: add descriptive note to {{T|3146409|new art title}}.<br />
* todo: rename and describe all other interior art<br />
** 4/Robbie done<br />
* todo: investigate {{T|2374637|Portuguese title}}<br />
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== Early Asimov Book One ==<br />
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Thanks for moderating [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582810 my submission] to add the introduction to the contents.<br />
Unfortunately I did it wrong. A {{T|3145057|new title}} was created when I wanted to link to {{T|630321|this one}}.<br />
(I have both books in front of me and the contents are the same.)<br />
I don't suppose you have an undo function for that submission?<br />
If not then I think I need to:<br />
* "Remove Titles From This Pub" to get rid of what I just added<br />
* "Import Content" to add it back, as a link to the {{T|630321|existing title}}<br />
* delete the {{T|3145057|unwanted title}}, unless it magically evaporates when nothing links to it<br />
Appreciate your patience as I learn how to do things here. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:40, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No worries. This is actually easy to fix What you want to do is go to either title record and click on the Check for Duplicate Titles tool. This will bring up a list showing both titles. Check both boxes and then click the merge selected records button. There is another page where you would be able to see conflicts and decide what to do with them. In this case, there are none, so you can just click on Complete Merge. Once approved, both publications will have the same title. For your future information, what you wanted to do (i.e. what would have done this in a single edit) is to use the Import Content tool from the publication record. You would then use option 2 to import an individual title. Let me know if you run into any problems. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:23, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: done! that was easy, thanks [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:04, 19 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Masque of Mañana ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584480; Does the ISBN-13 on back cover barcode count? Note says there's none in the second printing, just the ISBN-10 from the original edition. I just fixed the printing wording in the note to what it really says on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'd say no. All of the copyright page and the stated ISBNs above and below the barcode show the 10 digit ISBN. That's probably Don's note, and I suspect it was added because this would have shown up on the cleanup report. However, it's long since been marked as ignored, and removed from that report. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:34, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baby ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409130; I made an edit in 2021 for this, you just made an edit, the Archive.org copy is an uncorrected proof with a higher page count (someone actually wrote in page numbers with a pen), so is it acceptable here to add a link even if it's not exactly the same or should the link be moved to the title record? Because I've seen some other proofs for various books that could be added if it is acceptable. Also, the 1982 Dell PB has been on Archive.org even longer than the proof but was never entered so I just did that but the 1 copy I can see on Amazon has a totally white cover instead of totally black. Not sure what that means; I doubt they released alternate covers for such a relatively minor work but who knows. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:37, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I hadn't realized that the scan was of a proof, which we don't and shouldn't track in the database. I've removed the link and the data added as a result of that scan. I wouldn't add it to the title record. We generally don't track proofs here as they don't meet the definition of published. I did question the note about a publication month that was determined by examining a pre-publication scan. It seems wrong to me, insofar as anything in the proof is merely predictive and there is no way of knowing whether the schedule slipped between when the proof was issued and the book was eventually published. However, the note is likely sufficient to indicate that the publication month we have is unreliable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:31, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov & Silverberg - Nightfall ==<br />
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Hi Ron, could you check the title of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24156 essay here]. Should yours be titled ''To the Reader (Nightfall)''? If so, I'm handling four other titles and can fix yours at the same time. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:29, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes, it is titled "To the Reader". Please go ahead and change it with the others. Thanks! --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:40, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Great, will do. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:24, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== 1000 Faces ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?337145; It wasn't supposed to be a mod note, it was supposed to be a note explaining that the price was changed from what was there before when someone entered the wrong price. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Why would we want that in a publication note? After the price is changed, there is no context to show that the price was ever anything else than what is shown. We don't add publication notes stating that incorrect data was changed and I'm unaware that you've ever done so in the past. That note is totally appropriate for a moderator note, but not for a publication note. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:22, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:OK, if you say so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:31, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Boucher - "S-F Books - 1960" or "S-F Books: 1960"? ==<br />
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Ron, could you check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?178417 The 6th Annual of the Year's Best S-F] to see exactly how Boucher's essay is titled - I suspect it might be "S-F Books: 1960". If it is, and it's ok with you, I'll make the change. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:48, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please proceed with the change. The tile with the dash (actually looks like an em dash), appears that way in the table of contents. The title page uses the colon. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:09, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Music ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285854; LCCN ID added, publisher was longer, checked FantLab and longer name's on title page so I made it so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:31, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please don't do that this way. As I know I've explained before, if you change the publisher on the only publication by that publisher, you effectively erase the existing record for that publisher, and all the data contained therein. It's better to update the publisher record directly (or if that's a moderator only function, ask on the moderator board that it be done). I'm going to reject this edit and I'll update the publisher record as to preserve the existing notes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:37, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::So you're saying I should have added LCCN ID and then made another edit in the publisher record changing their name? Is that how it's supposed to be done? Also, I did some edits for 2 books by the same author (C. Pallen) from Manhattanville Press, the only 2 books on ISFDB from that publisher, 1 of which started with "The" and the other, published much later, which didn't, so I differed them; since there's no info on that publisher record it doesn't matter that I changed it from within the book record, right? Is that what you're saying? Also, if the Herald info had been lost it would have been a shame since I'm the one who added it in the first place. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Yes, when you change the publisher within a publication record, what you're really doing is removing the existing publisher, and adding a new one. If you remove the last publication to which the old publisher refers, the software will delete that publisher record. So yes, in this case you should have done it in two edits. For your other example, it's correct that it doesn't matter if the publisher being deleted has no additional data. If it had, what you would want to do is to merge the two publishers, which I'm fairly certain is a moderator only function. Even then, if both publisher records have conflicting data, that would have to be resolved during the merge. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:10, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sutro ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346448; Transient, couple of titles differ from contents page but I assume you entered them as they appeared at story heads, but "Ships That Pass" says 73, not 23, in copy just added to Dalby's site; https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/collections/newest-shopify-test/products/sutro-miller-ghost-stories-sentinel-publications-1947-paperbacks. Was that an error in book or an entry error here? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:53, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Unfortunately, I no longer have that copy. Thus the transient verification. I think it's likely that the page number is our typo, given the record numbers of the individual titles. Please feel free to change that if you'd like. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:14, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::http://www.philsp.com/resources/ISFAC/t155.htm#A2781; Fixed page number and another story's date which was actually published years earlier. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:38, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Introduction for The Wit and Wisdom of Discworld ==<br />
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Hello,<br />
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you verified two variants of the book (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301290 and https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?421825). I think the title record for the introduction is very likely wrong. It should be "Introduction: Through the Wardrobe Into Discworld". At least for the ebook I'm sure the title should be as said via Amazon LookInside: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?463079. That would also remove the duplicate title with "&" and "and", as adding the book name would no longer be necessary. Also it would match the German translation title.<br />
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Can you please verify if that's true for your copy? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 09:57, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for pointing this out. I've corrected the titles. I also corrected the book title of the first printing and reversed the parent variant relationship. I'm pretty sure that Doubleday wouldn't have changed between printings, and I'm sure the "and" was introduced because of the cover title. I was also able to verify the Harper trade paperback as having an ampersand for the Amazon look inside version. Oddly, the Harper eBook, uses "and". I suspect some of the other "and" printing are incorrect, but can't find evidence to switch them. In any case, I left the variant of the translation of the introduction to you. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:02, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== J.W. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327628; I think co-editor is this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11081. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:35, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Futures Forestalled ... for Now: South African Science Fiction and Futurism ==<br />
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I was taking a look at {{P|935348|this publication}} based on [[ISFDB:Verification_requests#Futures_Forestalled_..._for_Now%3A_South_African_Science_Fiction_and_Futurism|this discussion]]. As far as I can tell, this is an essay (and not a publication) that appeared in the non-genre magazine [https://www.tandfonline.com/toc/rcwr20/34/1 Current Writing]. I wanted to check with you as the processing moderator to see if you saw something I missed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:51, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Looking at the submission, I probably thought I was skipping it rather than approving it. I never intentionally approve submissions with a image link from a site for which we don't have permissions. I do give deference when the submitter is working from their own copy, but the image warning would have made me think this one should not be approved without contacting the submitter. The verifier was active recently. It may be worth reaching out to them to see what they thought they were adding. It looks like this may need to be converted to an essay in a non-genre magazine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:28, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Peter Archer (I) adaptations of Oz novels ==<br />
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Hi, Ron. Recently I recognized that your Peter Archer A{{a|359605}} is distinct from others, so I revised your verified record of ''The Road to Oz'' picture book adaptation, in its 3rd printing of 2009 edition P{{p|366091}}, to distinguish the adapter as Peter Archer (I). A second edit/self-approve was necessary for the chapbook title --you probably know; I didn't.<br />
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Pursuing Peter Archer (I), I learned that that is a joint pseudonym. More descriptive disambiguators and fewer roman numerals are used here recently (CoViD era, i have noticed since returning). Perhaps "Peter Archer (pseudonym)" would be a better choice.<br />
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Byron and {{a|Kathryn Jackson}} are new to the database. (Husband and wife seem likely but I didn't find it stated.) From library records I learned that they adapted at least three Oz novels for Little Golden Books in the early 1950s. Last hour I added the other two as 1952 chapbooks. Library of Congress reports no other Peter Archer adaptations of Oz. WorldCat does not enable any such negative conclusions, as far as I know. <br />
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The number of submissions was greater than should have been. If I understand correctly, best practice is to set all toggles {Non-Genre ; Juvenile ; Novelization ; Graphic Format} and set Length if known --all for the child SHORTFICTION created as content of the new CHAPBOOK. Only then, make that one a variant. Then put parent SHORTFICTION in a series, or add title Note or Synopsis, if appropriate. Right?<br />
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How many of the 4 toggles and Length should be set for the CHAPBOOKs? Here I made the child CHAPBOOK juvenile. Then make CHAPBOOK a variant. New parent CHAPBOOK gets a Note occasionally; no Synopsis or series.<br />
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Your verified ''Road to Oz'' contains CHAPBOOK "The Road to Oz (abridged)" and SHORTFICTION "The Road to Oz". I did not name any of the four 1952 CHAPBOOKs and SHORTFICTION "(abridged)". What do you think nowadays?<br />
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Take a look at all these Peter Archer (I) records if and when you have a chance. For the next 10 days I will be away from home, and maybe away from ISFDB. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:18, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I have a larger concern about these records. My understanding is that an adapter should not be listed with an author credit, but should be reflected in the notes only. It appears these records were changed after I verified the copy. I'm going to start a new Rules and Standards discussion to ensure my understanding is correct. Regarding your question about the flags being used on CHAPBOOK titles. Non-Genre seems appropriate for chapbooks, as it would place the title record at the bottom of the author's bibliography. The other flags, to my mind appear to apply specifically to the SHORTFICTION, and not to the container (CHAPBOOK). That's just my opinion, and you could pose that question on one of the community boards to get wider input. I did add the disambiguator (abridged) to the SHORTFICTION title. This especially makes sense if the adapter is not listed as an author. It's partially to prevent the software from presenting it as a duplicate of the novel. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:33, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I have been away for most of this fortnight. Now I have redd that new discussion [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Adaptations_and_Abridgements Adaptations and Abridgements (at Rules and Standards)].<br />
:: For my information, does the 2015 publication update by Mhhutchins [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2706045] show up on your report "My Changed Primary Verifications [New!]" or is the report limited in scope to "recent" updates?<br />
:: I agree that the story title should be disambiguated, such as "(abridged)" or "(adapted)". I guess I would call this one an adaptation but I haven't seen it. With DougH, I would prefer to see those or similar parenthetical notations used when titles do not match. <br />
:: I'll take your suggestion concerning CHAPBOOK titles as Juvenile, etc. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:06, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rohmer's Bast Pyramid Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289865; Philsp.com page for this book says J. Lombardero did the cover and I see a little JL on the lower right. I assume if his name was in the book you would have entered it so how should it be entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:21, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Well your eyes are better than mine. I can't find the initials even with a magnifying glass. Since the artist is not credited in the book, you should add it as the canonical name, i.e. {{A|Joseph Lombardero}}. When you not the source, I'd go with "The Page of Fu Manchu". Galactic Central (philsp.com) hosts a large number of indexes and bibliographies, so giving the domain name doesn't really give enough information to identify the source. Especially, as in this case, when they are only hosting the site, rather than creating it. Good find. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:51, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::OK, I made an edit, but this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27160, reveals that the other 5 Pyramid covers done by Lombardero for Rohmer have all been entered, but as J. It's a mess, with 1 PV mentioning the artist is credited on the back cover (as J.), 1 non-PV mentioning the same thing, some not mentioning anything, etc. Only 1 has an active PV (I think), MLB, and he doesn't complain much about change these days, so if you or some other Rohmer fan wanted to look at this further I'm sure you could probably improve things. I assume your back cover doesn't say anything; if it does it would probably say J., which means my edit entering Joseph will need to be cancelled. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:36, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::As I mentioned above, there is no credit on the book, which includes the back cover. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:43, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== My Favorites in Suspense ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597540; I believe the other Archive.org copy, which you worked on, is a book club edition. It has the same incomplete copyright page as the one here, https://www.ebay.com/itm/185721019229; publisher should be Random House / BCE, I think. There's also the question of where external ID's really belong since neither copy is the original edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:13, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Well, no. {{P|570083|this}} publication record is clearly for the trade edition. The link to the scan was added to the record. The record was not created from that scan. I guess that may be a scan of a book club edition, but there's not really enough evidence to say definitively. It's possible that the copyright page of the trade edition would include a printing or edition statement, or the LCCN. However, there are many examples of trade books that do not. If we were certain that the scan was for a book club edition, it should be removed from this record, but I'm not certain. Feel free to clone that record to create a record for the book club edition, if you'd like. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:32, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Well, OK. At least there'll be another edition here soon once mine is approved. I see there's this, too, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334763510639, a third printing, so I don't know how many times they printed this thing, but I also found this, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334768776674, a first printing, so that's likely the original non-book club edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:57, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::And thus you've proven that the title page differs for the first edition. I've removed the scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:01, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== PKD - Dr. Bloodmoney ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I'm about to add a 2003 3rd printing of your {{P|289298|2004 4th printing}} and I notice that your novel title is the long version. Is that correct, or should it be just "Dr. Bloodmoney"?<br />
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edit... and what about this {{P|115221|1st printing}} while we're at it? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:03, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've changed the record for my copy. You should contact [[User talk:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] about the first printing. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:19, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks Ron, I've alerted Pete to this. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:04, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Necronomicon's Reanimator ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?309542; I corrected a minor mistake (On/One) but noticed that every cover I can see online says $3.95 on the lower right corner, not $3.50. SFE has a clear cover showing the price. Wrong verification or higher-priced reprint? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:{{P|283739|Chalker/Owings}} has the price as $3.50. They also note, as does {{Reginald3}} that it was reprinted in 1985 with C/O stating that there were additional reprints after. I would assume that the covers you are seeing are from later printings. Reginald also has a variation in title between the 1977 and the 1985 editions, and I'm still researching that. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:58, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I see price is $3.95 now; what changed? Also, you probably know already but there's this, too: https://fantlab.ru/edition249786. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:38, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Well, after seeing that the cover included the date, and that it was listed on several sale listings described as the first edition from 1977, I determined that Chalker/Owings were probably in error about the price. Fantlab is for a different printing than the two I working with. Feel free to add it if you'd like. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:47, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Guinever's Gift ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5598537; I made some changes in case that affects your verifications since this isn't the regular edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:32, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please don't make edits converting the publication record of the trade edition of a book into the book club edition. The record you were trying to change is clearly for the trade edition. It includes the ISBN. The linked Worldcat record has the ISBN and notes first edition. The publisher name nor the notes indicate that it is a book club edition. The only piece of data that is incorrect is the link to the scan (which I've now removed). As that link was obtained from a [https://www.worldcat.org/title/606129407 Worldcat record] which also indicates that it is a first edition, and upon your further research it is incorrect. The problem with the edit you attempted is that it effectively deletes the trad edition and replaces it with a book club edition. It also would create a record with incorrect external ids as they all refer to the trade edition. I'm going to reject your edit for these reasons. If you wish to add the book club edition, please submit a new edit cloning the existing record, which is a better approach as it doesn't delete the trade edition. Also, if you see a publication record with an incorrect scan, feel free to submit an edit removing that link with an explanation that it belongs to a different edition. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I added LCCN, cover artist (only photo of full back flap I could find anywhere and even then it's barely legible) and cover image to trade edition; however, I can't find price anywhere since almost every auction online is for the book club, so maybe you or someone can find it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:41, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Carnival Date ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8771; I added LCCN and also month/day to reg. title and cover art only to see Wiki says October, not May 10. Did you write the note about where the exact date came from? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:36, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I did not, but it is in the LOC Catalog of Copyright Entries on page 192 [https://archive.org/details/catalogofcopyrig311libr/page/n207/mode/2up here]. That note appears to have been added by [[User talk:PatConolly|PatConolly]] on 2019-09-15. My only complaint about your edit is that LCCN numbers of that vintage generally have a dash instead of 0s. I don't know precisely when LOC stopped using the dashes, but is was at the end of the 20th century. Since the LCCN does not appear in the the book, it's a minor quibble. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:53, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I enter LCCN as they appear on the LoC site; as long as clicking the ID link leads to the right page on their site it seems OK to me. If pre-2000 LCCN should have had dashes then somebody should have said something before countless moderators approved the hundreds/thousands of LCCN I've entered in the last 2+ years. I think I'll ask on Community if anyone can whip up something that can automatically change all LCCN entered here with 00 to -; unlikely but you never know. In this case I'll cancel my edit and enter it with the dash since this is a seminal work that should have info entered exactly right. Re: the date, it seems more right to me that a horror collection would be released in the month of Halloween, but then most of what Arkham House released was horror so it could very well have been released earlier like other books of theirs that year; just to be safe I'll remove the month changes and just do the LCCN. If anyone can say for sure what the exact date is then those can be changed later. EDIT: I added LCCN with the dash and the FantLab ID which I've somehow never entered and noticed something: there are several cover photos on their site and it's signed G. Barrows + front flap says George Barrows, yet George Burrows is entered here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:14, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:The artist name should be changed. However, it would be best to change at the author level. I'll check with the other verifiers to ensure it's ok to change all instances. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:35, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MoM ==<br />
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Re: your rejection, it was discussed with him/her on their board under the title "A Month of Mystery". Usually we wait until they reply before rejecting (which rarely happens because they usually agree with the changes(s) I made). I'm not clear on what you mean about deleting the trade edition, the one that I entered recently. PV edition is book club (fewer pages; https://www.ebay.com/itm/266154678368) and needs BCE in publisher to differ it from the trade edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:15, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:The policy is that you should seek (and receive) agreement before you submit the edit. I know that's how I've explained it to you in the past. The current record is for a trade edition of the book that has been verified by two editors. If your edit had been approved, there would no longer be a record for the first printing of the trade edition. There would only be a record for a book club edition and the second printing of the trade edition. Even if [[User:Swfritter|Swfritter]] agreed that their copy is a book club edition, there would still be a verification for the trade edition that can't be questioned as the editor is no longer active. What you should have done, is to clone this publication record to make a record for the book club edition. Then if Swfritter has the BCE, they should move their verification to the new record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:51, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I see. OK. I think I'll give up on this particular area of editing; way too many books were PV that have wrong info entered, in many cases this same issue of people not knowing or caring exactly what edition of the book they had, and my trying to fix them is more trouble than it's worth. There's endless other things to be done here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:20, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stained-Glass World ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?232309; You're the last person in the edit history so I'm letting you know that when I was adding an Archive.org link I noticed that even though it says July in book and in note here someone entered the month as April. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:06, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Well, since my edit added only Worldcat and Reginald numbers and neither source gives more than the year, I have no special insight as to what the date should be. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:41, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Great Disciple ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?246597; I made the 1 missing story that I added to this collection a variant of author's parent name but what's the procedure to get rid of the 6 variant titles in the contents? Should I correct the titles under the alternate name as I did for the name used in the book? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:51, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'm not sure I completely understand what you are asking. Are you saying that there are title records in this book that are incorrect? If so, what you depends on whether they occur in any other publications. If not, then you can correct the title record. If the title is in another publication, then you should add a new title to this publication record, and make it a variant to the canonical title. You would then need to remove the incorrect title record from this publication. If you are asking about something else, please explain further. Links to the titles you think are incorrect and what you think needs updating would be helpful. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:04, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I'm asking about the 6 stories in the link that say "variant"; as you know since you approved it, I corrected several incorrect titles but those titles are still incorrect under the alternate name. So how do I get both names to display the same correct title? Do I have to retitle them individually, merge, or something else? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:14, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All of the contained titles in that work are variants. However, when a variant differs in title from its parent, it is displayed with both titles. If you updated the canonical title, it would have no effect on the variant title. This makes sense as one of the purposes of variant titles is to show variations in title. Then my answer above is what you want and how you'd proceed depends on whether the variant title appears in other publications or not. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:34, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Hyde & Wintz - Précieuses reliques ==<br />
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Hello Ron, could you process [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601198 my submission] for this title that I asked in the Moderator note to not process. Marty has given me great advice which I will take post approval. I'll fix the titling, "nom" -> "Nom" and anything else I can find. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:07, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Sure. Done. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:16, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Smooth running :) Thanks. Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:26, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Resurrectionist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601382; Isn't the procedure to unmerge when the artist name is different as I explained in my note, HefferMan vs. HefferNan? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:It's easier to remove the incorrect COVERART title from the publication that is in error. Then add a new COVERART title to the same pub. These can be done in either order, but best to explain in the notes to the moderator what is intended for subsequent edits. Of course you'll also have to build the variant relationship once the new title is created. The issue with unmerging, is that until you update the author credit on the unmerged title, it will appear as a potential duplicate both in the cleanup reports and if anyone checks for duplicates. Given that approvals are running two days behind from submissions, that creates a window where the titles could get re-merged. I will note that you could have expanded a bit in your note to the moderator. Maybe specifically stating that the author credit is different rather than listing the two names and expecting the moderator to recognize they differ. Your note left me wondering if you wanted to make a variant between the paperback and hardcover editions because of differences in trim. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:54, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Same or different authors / artists? ==<br />
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Hello, Ron! We have both [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?273536 Tania Ianovskaia] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?225848 Tatiana Ianovskaia], both did interior art related to Lewis Carroll's work, which brings up the question if they are related, or even maybe one and the same person. They both pop up in publications verified by you, for example [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?668434 here] (Tania). Would it be possible for you to take a look into the identities? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:26, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi Christian<br />
:The credits are as they appear in each book. ''The Annotated Alice'' has short biographies of the artists and mentions that Tatiana illustrated some Carroll books that were published by "Tania Press". There's also [https://www.lewiscarroll.org/2008/07/17/tanias-alice/ this post] from the Lewis Carroll Society of North America that uses both "Tania" in the header, and "Tatiana" in the body of the post. I think this is enough evidence that they are the same person, and I'm going to make the variant relationship. Despite the number of titles that we have, I'm going to make Tatiana canonical. From what I'm seeing, that appear to be how she is most often credited in books which we don't seem to have in the database, but could. Thanks for finding this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:57, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Tanya/Tania is also a very common diminutive for Tatiana in Russian (it is also a name on its own of course). Which also adds to the evidence. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:04, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Minotaur Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello Ron. Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284345 this] pblication. Cound you ell me if your copy is a limited edition (of 500) signed by Charles de Lint, George Barr, Robert Collins and Mathew Hargreaves. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:21, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:It is. I'm guessing that you are asking because you want to verify the publication? If so, feel free to add notes about the limitation, or I can do that if you'd prefer. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:33, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I will indeed be verifying it once the copy I ordered arrives from the US. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:23, 10 March 2023 (EST)</div>
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If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a missing COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)<br />
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See <br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive]] (2007-2009 [1])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive2]] (2009 [2])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive3]] (2010)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive4]] (2011)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive5]] (2012)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive6]] (2013)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive7]] (2014)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive8]] (2015)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive9]] (2016)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive10]] (2017)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive11]] (2018)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive12]] (2019)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive13]] (2020)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive14]] (2021)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15]] (2022)<br />
for older discussions.<br />
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== A Hand-Drawn Map of New Crobuzon - interior artwork by China Miéville ==<br />
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Hi Ron, I have a 12th printing of the 2011 edition of China's novel Perdido Street Station and I'm trying to sort out all the map references under different titles to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442912 his credited map here]. So I can make sure it's the same map, could you do me a favour and check for me:<br />
:China is definitely credited as the artist.<br />
:"New Crobuzon" appears as the title at bottom left.<br />
:4 points of the compass at top right.<br />
:Key (Skyrail, Railways, Woodland) at bottom right.<br />
:Scale (2 miles) at top left.<br />
If the map is the same as the one I have, I think several changes would be in order.<br />
:'Your' map pub date is 2013-10-00 - I think this should be a variant of the original map pub title/date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1666143 - see here], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19616 and here].<br />
:Further, a search on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=crobuzon&type=All+Titles on Crobuzon] shows Hitspacebar (in his 2014 entry) to be the only one titling the map correctly according to the Help guidelines.<br />
:Accordingly and if you think it's correct, I propose changing the titles of all the maps to "New Corbuzon (map) (2000-03-00) by China Miéville (as by uncredited)" and varianting your 2013 title to that.<br />
I hope this all makes sense - the maps are a mess :) Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:18, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi BanjoKev<br />
:I also have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?311532 7th Del Rey printing]. The map in the World Fantasy Convention book is definitely a different map than that published in the Del Rey editions. It is credited to Miéville insofar as it is part of a collection of his drawings with a paragraph explaining when and why he drew them. While I don't believe it's mentioned in the help pages, there is a de facto standard of naming INTERIORART records by their caption when present, which is why the hand drawn map is named as it is. Thus, the 2013 map should not be re-titled or made a variant of the other maps.<br />
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::That's great! Could you add a note to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1713854 title record] so that this doesn't get messed up in future? --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:30, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I see you've done that already, thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:41, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:The map in the Del Rey edition matches your description with the exception that there is no artist credited. The map is not currently listed in the publication record of my copy. I agree with you that this map should be titled "New Crobuzon (map)" (correcting a small typo). Since you're working on this, I'll hold off on adding it to my publication until after you've determined the title and original date of the other maps. I do suspect that it occurs in all the Del Rey editions. You can go ahead and import the ultimate title record for the map to the 7th Del Rey edition. Alternatively, you can let me know once you're done merging that maps and I can do that. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:11, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::So, your different map is the only one credited to China - all the rest are uncredited. I'll sort all this out, including the 7th Del Rey and let you know when it's all done. Many thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:30, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I've completed all the changes needed for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1666143 all the maps], including your 7th Del Rey printing. The only loose end is the map & novel pagination in yours if you'd do the honours. Thanks for your help, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:52, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Forest J. Ackerman credits ==<br />
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When you have a moment, could you please check how your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact&TERM_1=Forrest+J.+Ackerman&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Rtrace&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication verified Forest J Ackerman] pubs credit Ackerman? The other day a user pointed out that most of Ackerman's books/stories use {{A|Forrest J Ackerman}} as opposed to {{A|Forrest J. Ackerman}}, but only 30-ish of our pubs credit him that way. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Both lacked the period after the middle initial and I've changed them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:09, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for checking! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:40, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Moon Maiden ==<br />
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Dear sir:<br />
I am fond of Garrett P. Serviss. In fact, I have read all his works (but The Moon Maiden) and I am translating them into Spanish for first time (e.g. https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B09NRJTWT3).<br />
I have not managed to get a text of The Moon Maiden in any format and I have not been able to find Argosy 1915 not in paper nor scanned. I tried everything! <br />
Could you, please, somehow, hand me a scanned version (or pictured by phone or any mean) of the pages of Argosy May 1915 where it was first published? Nothing I can offer in exchange but gratitude and, if you wish, credit.<br />
Best regards.<br />
Rubene Guirauta (RubeneGuirauta@gmail.com){{unsigned|Lidenbrock}} <br />
:Hi Rubene<br />
:Unfortunately, I do not own a copy of that issue of Argosy. I think you may have gotten the impression that I do because of the secondary verifications that I have marked on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?277246 the publication record]. What I have verified is that Bleiler's ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1280738 Science-Fiction: The Early Years]'', Clute and Nicholls ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102324 Encyclopedia of Science Fiction]'' and Tuck's ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102393 The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy]'' all mention that issue of Argosy. Without rechecking each of those references, I suspect the issue is listed because of the Serviss story, the Franklin story, or both. As I'm sure you are aware, there is a later publication of the novel by Crawford/FPCI, but again, I don't possess a copy and have only verified its existence through secondary sources. I did also look for that issue of Argosy at [https://archive.org/ the Internet Archive], which does have scans of many pulps, but unfortunately not the one you're looking for. Good luck with your project, and I'm sorry I couldn't be more help. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:55, 16 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Hi Ron<br />
::Thank you very much for your answer. I understand the role of verificator... but I had to make this attempt, there was a chance you could have it. It is really a challenge to find this issue of Argosy (or the edition of 1978 of The Moon Maiden). I have tried in Internet Archive, Hathi Trust, Library of Congress and others, and in second hand sellers (Abebooks, eBay, Facebook groups...) unsuccessfully. In case in future (this quest is going to last, I am afraid) you could get any information, copy, scan, picture or any clue, please let me know. Best regards. Rubene.<br />
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== Heroic Fantasy frontispiece artist ==<br />
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There's an unentered frontispiece in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16965 Heroic Fantasy] that has a signature that I don't know how to interpret. Do you? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:20, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Is that an "R G K" which may indicate [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?901 Roy G. Krenkel]? He did do some covers for DAW. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:37, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon image for Assassin's Price ==<br />
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I have replaced the Amazon image with a scan from my copy for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657176 Assassin's Price] by L. E. Modesitt, Jr. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:34, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lovecraft's Notes ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/books/OL20222766M/Some_notes_on_H.P._Lovecraft.; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281745; OL cover has the price on it; alternate? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I don't think it's an alternate. My copy has the price and I've replaced the image with a scan of my copy. Given the date of the previous upload, I was probably replacing an unstable Amazon image and may have just saved theirs and re-uploaded. I don't know what publication the image without a price represents. Chalker/Owings mentions two subsequent editions. There was a library edition published without imprint by people associated with the University of Wisconsin. However C/O states that it was bound in green cloth and issued without a jacket. There was also a 1982 edition from Necronomicon Press, but their publications are usually larger in size. In any case, the image is now correct. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:00, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Wizard of Maldoone ==<br />
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Ron, Any objection to converting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 to CHAPBOOK]? While approving the addition of the softcover, I looked at the scan in the internet archive. There is no way this is 40,000 words. I'm checking since you entered the hc edition and added the secondary verifications. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:30, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No objection at all. I've only verified from secondary sources. Reginald uses the terms "novel" or "story" for length and I believe has different thresholds for these terms than ours. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:03, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Whispers, 1987 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289107; https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/219866_3; I added FantLab ID to digest edition; Russell story says "Kolorized" on contents page, not "Kolarized", and Eisenstein story says "Weasling", not "Weaseling". 1 seems like contents may be right, the other one seems like a misspelling. So if you can check your HC copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:15, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:It looks like [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] has already taken care of the correction and explained the contents error. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:07, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pearl Pumpkin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?342293; Halloween, not Haloween, according to title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:31, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:08, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baxter - Raft ==<br />
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Hi Ron, just noticed your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?664698 Raft]. My later printing pagination is x-245 - perhaps yours is a typo? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:57, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Not a typo. The last numbered page in my copy is 246. The last page has the author bio and is numbered. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:43, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Black Sorcerer ==<br />
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Hi Ron, could you moderate [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5568056 this submission] please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:59, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Done. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:44, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thank you Ron! That record solves a lot of problems. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:14, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Walter Wiggins ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5567353; Isn't that a title page photo in the AbeBooks link I provided in the moderator note, with a Jr. on it? Also, I re-did the other edit of mine you rejected recently re: changing Charnal to Charnel with the page that says Charnel House on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:19, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:So it does. I've changed the author's name which allowed me to approve your original edit without losing data. Just keep in mind, that when you change the last reference to an author's name in a publication or title, the software deletes the old author record and creates a new one. Thus, any data on the old author record is lost. No need to inform me about the re-issued edit, it will come up in the queue be handled by whoever is working it at the time. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:32, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Honestly, you're the main handler of my edits these days; some mods have quit recently, at least for the time being, others just do a few of my edits now and then that you skip for one reason or another. Dirk used to do a lot of mine until recently (he used to do a lot in my early days but got mad at me and stopped doing them for awhile) when he got mad at somebody else on these boards and decided to take a break until 2024, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Acceptable_moderator_behavior.3F, and JLaTondre and Ahasuerus used to do a bunch when they had the time but they're so busy doing site stuff that it rarely happens anymore. So odds are you'll be the one to approve that specific edit and you'll know why I provided the zine link because you're the one who rejected it and asked for proof; someone else may be unclear why I'm adding something like that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:52, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::As it turns out, I was the one who worked that edit. However, the title wasn't correct for what was in the scan. I've corrected it and it's fine now. If I'm the only one working the queue, then that's a problem. As I am going on vacation starting tomorrow, I will be approving few if any edits in the next 10 days. I do see other moderators approving edits other than their own in the recent approvals page. I'm not surprised that other moderators skip some of your edits. I do that myself when you've failed to notify primary verifiers, or not provided sufficient sources for your edit. I also skip them in cases where the research required to approve your edit is more than I have time for while I'm working the queue. In the past, I have held your submissions and left notes on your talk page, but this invariably results in arguments that you feel you don't need to notify or document. I'm tired of making the same arguments each time, so I choose to ignore these edits. I will still reject or hold edits that are destructive, or that introduce potentially incorrect data. I can't speak as to why others skip your edits, but this has been my experience. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:25, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I'm fully aware of why you skip certain of my edits, although in almost all cases whatever I did in those edits ends up being approved by others because it was correct; most of my edits end up being approved by you, anyway, so the ones you skip are in the minority. As I've said before, with the massive amount of edits I do (more than almost any other non-moderator in the history of this site, and that's in just 2 years or so) I don't expect every one of them to be approved; a few always fall by the wayside. In the case of the Charnel House thing, I see that you added those secondary verifications you mentioned which had the incorrect "Charnal", but the scan of the issue at hand has been available on Archive.org for many years, so really before adding those verifications less than a year ago you could easily have checked all info in the magazine itself and would have discovered this problem and fixed it yourself instead of me having to fix it like I've had to fix thousands of other things on this site (and I suspect there are many other Cemetery Dance mistakes on ISFDB since so many different people have worked on the 70+ issues). Re: Dirk, he used to do a lot of mine, didn't like the fact that I questioned some of his rejections, and decided to stop, but started again last year, then stopped completely because of his problems with other mods, including both of those I mentioned above and a few others, questioning him. Apparently he has a problem with being questioned. Other mods just don't have the time because the server move created such a big mess they spend most of their time bug-fixing. I'm sure there's a couple that have some personal grudge against me because I'm not an ass-kisser who bows and scrapes so they can get themselves self-moderator status and that's why they rarely approve anything of mine (although they still do occasionally, usually for edits that have some minor problem they can complain about) but honestly, who cares, 43,000 edits and counting. I'm an amateur just doing this to pass the time; I have no time for any of the personal issues so many on here seem to have. As I go through old board messages I can see that many of the angry people who still edit on this site behaved the same way LONG before I started here, so really none of this has anything to do with me. Also, if you ever feel upset about a few of my edits not being exactly done right, just remember how many countless edits either approved by you for others or entered by you personally I've had to fix. Do I complain about that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:14, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Ron. I should be a self-approver here and I expect you agree with that. I prefer to be nominated by a longtime heavy-duty contributor, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if you, plural, is available, ready and willing in the next ~20 hours. I write to a couple others too.<br />
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A couple hours ago, you approved this morning's creation of a parent Nancy Drew collection as by "unknown", noted "1st of 5 this collection". Recently I had deleted the other four, and several more, upon suddenly recognizing that it only creates more work to Make parent titles without attending first to the Juvenile tag, among other things. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:39, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Le Guin - The Wind's Twelve Quarters and The Compass Rose ==<br />
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Hi Ron, is [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THWNDSTWLC0000.jpg this image] any use for your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?523721 PV here]?<br />
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Same for this [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THMNWHFLLD0000.jpg image] for yours [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567977 here]. Kev.<br />
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: Better yet, I can upload to your pubs "your-pub-specific" images which are exactly the same as the Amazon ones if that's ok with you. I'm trying to avoid linked images like the plague now, I did a test to find out the bad things that can happen with linked images. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:41, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I don't worry that much about Amazon images except for the ones known to be unstable. I do know with the SF Masterworks they've frequently had images that differ slightly from the printed copies, but not in this case. However, if you're more comfortable, I can link to your images. No need to duplicate them in the server. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:46, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Demons By Daylight ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/demonsbydaylight0000camp; Does this require a separate entry, having the $6.00 sticker you mention in your notes, or should I just add it to your PV? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:10, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No need for a separate publication record. None of the secondary sources ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?983721 Chalker/Owings], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?971274 Jaffery], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?152881 Nielsen], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?709492 Joshi]) mention a change in price, though I'm sure that is what this is. My copy is one of the ones with the sticker. However, the addition of a sticker isn't really a new publication. I've gone ahead and added the link to the scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robot Visions ==<br />
<br />
You verified a {{P|792984|3rd printing}}. I'd like to verify the {{P|278195|4th}} but I have some updates to the contents which are likely the same in your printing:<br />
* artwork on page ii is same as on page 260. I would change the latter to the same title.<br />
* artwork on page 42 is not listed. We could call this "Robot Visions [12]"<br />
* page 82 should say 83<br />
I can update both printings if you're in agreement. Thanks. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:13, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:All these changes are fine, except for the repeated artwork on pages ii and 260. A single title record cannot occur twice in the same publication. Thus if you renamed the artwork on page 260 to "Robot Visions" and then tried to merge the two INTERIORART titles, it would create a problem. What we want to do instead is to make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?954582 Robot Visions (8)] (changed brackets to parentheses for the wiki markup only) into a variant of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?645229 Robot Visions]. Please feel fee to proceed with the changes. I can help with the variant if you're not familiar with how to do that. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:25, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for the help. I found instructions on making variants and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584016 went ahead]. Hope I got that right. Once that lands I'll go ahead with the edits to both pubs. I could use a clue on creating the new art title "Robot Visions [12]." My guess is I just put that in when editing a publication, and a title entry is automatically created in the db? [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 10:58, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::By sheer coincidence, Robot Visions is next up on my pile and this thread came up on my watchlist. I have the VGSF [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?227061 1st printing] if I can be of any assistance :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:34, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Does your book have the same interior art? If so you could add them to the contents, once we're done with the title changes. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 10:58, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Not the same. I'll use your pagination for clarity (mine is different).<br />
::::* Yours has 11 pages of interiorart, mine has 12.<br />
::::* My art in the stories agrees with your pages: ii, 3, 24, 51, 82, 123, 235, 245, 343, 359, 401.<br />
::::* Mine also has art in "Too Bad!" (a couple looking at a robot they're considering buying). It would be good if you would allow a gap for this in your numbering(?) system, so that this one can fit in nicely with the sequence when I add it.<br />
::::* The art for "The Bicentennial Man" is the same as at your ii.<br />
::::* My book pagination is correct at 383 pages and it's counted from the very first page inside the front cover. The first numbered page is page 7 and the Introduction starts on page 9. There are no pages with Roman numerals, as yours has.<br />
::::[edit] It might be a good idea to put a brief description of the art in the title records when the dust has settled, to aid identification and guard against publishers swapping the art around. Let me know if there's anything else. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:22, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Kev, [https://photos.app.goo.gl/CrMbkK7oU1AnS3GU7 here are photos] of all the art in {{P|278195|my book}} if you want to compare with yours. If you were comparing with what isfdb currently says, I'm sorry, I haven't fixed that yet. (I'll let you know.) I love your idea of describing the art in the notes. I mean, unless there's a way to put in actual pictures (Ron?) then notes are needed to make the entries useful so I will add some. My book does indeed have roman numerals, only on the TOC pages oddly enough. ymmv. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 14:59, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::I wouldn't suggest linking to scans of the artwork, which is under copyright. I do have a suggestion, though it is a bit more work. There are a few ways that INTERIORART can be named. Here we have named it after the title of the collection, with a numeric disambiguator added to all but the first title. However, we could name each INTERIORART with the title of the story where the artwork occurs (and for which it presumably illustrates). Thus, we would avoid having to name a missed record our of sequence (Robot Visions [12]), and it would also go some way to describe each title. This would make a description less necessary, but it can still be added if desired. I would recommend naming the artwork on page ii as "Robot Visions (frontispiece)" while still making it's repeat on page 260 a variant. The only drawbacks to this, are that it's a bunch of edits, and we would want to notify the active primary verifiers of all the editions. Actually, it looks that aside from us three, that would only include [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]. We should also probably break the variant relationship for the Portuguese title. That title appears to be for all the artwork for the book and not just the frontispiece. This should be checked with the verifier. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:12, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::Thanks for the suggestion Ron. I'm willing to tackle this. I was going to edit all the titles anyway so renaming them along the way doesn't seem like much more work. I think it's ok to start with the variant business you proposed above? As I said up there (but easily missed because I foolishly inserted it in the middle of the thread) I already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584016 a submission] in for that. And as I asked up there, to create a title one just adds it to a publication, and if it doesn't match an existing title a new entry is created? Thanks. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 19:45, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Sorry, I meant to answer that. But it sounds like you've got it. Just edit the publication and use the add title button. After you've added it to one publication, you can use the import tools to get it in the other publications. You'll need the Title Record # from either the newly added title (after it is approved), if you want to add an individual title, or you can import all the titles from the container that has the new one. The software is smart enough that it doesn't try to import titles that are already there, so you'll catch anything missing from the target record that is in the source record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:00, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
(unindent) Good idea putting the photos up for me to identify! It does take us a little further down the wormhole though.<br />
* We've each got all 12 artworks.<br />
* My versions of your p.37 (Too Bad!) & p.359 (Galley Slave) have been horizontally reversed - not that that matters to our titling, but it's a nice little observation to include in the ''Publication Notes'' if they're different from your description in the canonical title - for instance, in my publication notes I would add "The image for [........] has been reversed in this collection". This led me to consider how you would describe the art depiction in the ''Title Records''#. The only thing I could come up with to overcome the 'direction' would be something like, for p.37, "....Robot facing ''page-right''." and similarly for p.359. It's a bit more difficult with a couple of others... For the frontispiece (good one Ron) and p.260, the best indicator is the lighting on the robot's hand to ''page-left'': brighter than the other one. For p.235 something like "...top of head hinged up towards ''page-left''."<br />
* I like the titling method: "Robot Visions (frontispiece)", "Robot Visions (Introduction: The Robot Chronicles)" ...etc. This will cover all eventualities I think.<br />
*:Not precisely what I was suggesting. For the artwork on page 3, I would name it "Introduction: The Robot Chronicles"; "Robot Visions" for page 24, "Too Bad!" for page 42, etc. This is how these would be handled if this were a magazine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:24, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
I appreciate the work you're putting into this, I'm sure the end result will be rewarding :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:58, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: It's good practice doing different kinds of edits. I drafted [[User_talk:Fjh#The_Robot_Visions_McQuarrie_INTERIORART_Project_:.29|descriptions]] for each piece of art, if anyone wants to suggest improvements before I start submitting them. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 15:14, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::I think you've done a pretty good job of meeting your goals there! Here are some suggestions for you:<br />
::* Too Bad! - "...glasses at left and man at right standing..." - i.e. lose the brackets.<br />
::* The Bicentennial Man - again, lose the brackets, plus:<br />
:::* Make this the canonical and the frontispiece the variant - if a publisher is going to drop one of them, it'd probably be the frontispiece - yes/no?.<br />
:::* "Robot in open shirt, holding board over its head. Pens in robot's left shirt pocket."<br />
::* frontispiece - "Same illustration as for The Bicentennial Man. Robot in open shirt, holding board over its head. Pens in robot's left shirt pocket." - the use of 'variant' could be misconstrued?<br />
:: The other nine descriptions are excellent, and I also like Ron's magazine-like title treatment. Hope this helps.<br />
:: Btw Ron, how much do we owe you for the rent? :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:16, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::No charge. My talk page is your talk page. I just appreciate you and [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] doing all this work. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
=== plan/progress ===<br />
(Ron if you don't want this spam here let me know) [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:03, 19 February 2023 (EST)<br />
* done: {{T|954582|pg. 260 art}} is a variant of {{T|645229|pg. ii art}}. {{P|792984|3rd}} and {{P|278195|4th}} printing notes already say these are the same picture.<br />
* done: add pg. 42 art and fix page numbering 82 -> 83 in {{P|278195|4th printing}}<br />
* done: add pg. 42 art in {{P|792984|3rd printing}}<br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5587733 pending]: fix page numbering 82 -> 83 in {{P|792984|3rd printing}}<br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5587738 pending]: add descriptive note to {{T|3146409|new art title}}.<br />
* todo: rename and describe all other interior art<br />
** 4/Robbie [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5587750 pending]<br />
* todo: investigate {{T|2374637|Portuguese title}}<br />
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== Early Asimov Book One ==<br />
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Thanks for moderating [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582810 my submission] to add the introduction to the contents.<br />
Unfortunately I did it wrong. A {{T|3145057|new title}} was created when I wanted to link to {{T|630321|this one}}.<br />
(I have both books in front of me and the contents are the same.)<br />
I don't suppose you have an undo function for that submission?<br />
If not then I think I need to:<br />
* "Remove Titles From This Pub" to get rid of what I just added<br />
* "Import Content" to add it back, as a link to the {{T|630321|existing title}}<br />
* delete the {{T|3145057|unwanted title}}, unless it magically evaporates when nothing links to it<br />
Appreciate your patience as I learn how to do things here. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:40, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No worries. This is actually easy to fix What you want to do is go to either title record and click on the Check for Duplicate Titles tool. This will bring up a list showing both titles. Check both boxes and then click the merge selected records button. There is another page where you would be able to see conflicts and decide what to do with them. In this case, there are none, so you can just click on Complete Merge. Once approved, both publications will have the same title. For your future information, what you wanted to do (i.e. what would have done this in a single edit) is to use the Import Content tool from the publication record. You would then use option 2 to import an individual title. Let me know if you run into any problems. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:23, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: done! that was easy, thanks [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:04, 19 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Masque of Mañana ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584480; Does the ISBN-13 on back cover barcode count? Note says there's none in the second printing, just the ISBN-10 from the original edition. I just fixed the printing wording in the note to what it really says on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'd say no. All of the copyright page and the stated ISBNs above and below the barcode show the 10 digit ISBN. That's probably Don's note, and I suspect it was added because this would have shown up on the cleanup report. However, it's long since been marked as ignored, and removed from that report. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:34, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baby ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409130; I made an edit in 2021 for this, you just made an edit, the Archive.org copy is an uncorrected proof with a higher page count (someone actually wrote in page numbers with a pen), so is it acceptable here to add a link even if it's not exactly the same or should the link be moved to the title record? Because I've seen some other proofs for various books that could be added if it is acceptable. Also, the 1982 Dell PB has been on Archive.org even longer than the proof but was never entered so I just did that but the 1 copy I can see on Amazon has a totally white cover instead of totally black. Not sure what that means; I doubt they released alternate covers for such a relatively minor work but who knows. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:37, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I hadn't realized that the scan was of a proof, which we don't and shouldn't track in the database. I've removed the link and the data added as a result of that scan. I wouldn't add it to the title record. We generally don't track proofs here as they don't meet the definition of published. I did question the note about a publication month that was determined by examining a pre-publication scan. It seems wrong to me, insofar as anything in the proof is merely predictive and there is no way of knowing whether the schedule slipped between when the proof was issued and the book was eventually published. However, the note is likely sufficient to indicate that the publication month we have is unreliable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:31, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov & Silverberg - Nightfall ==<br />
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Hi Ron, could you check the title of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24156 essay here]. Should yours be titled ''To the Reader (Nightfall)''? If so, I'm handling four other titles and can fix yours at the same time. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:29, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes, it is titled "To the Reader". Please go ahead and change it with the others. Thanks! --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:40, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Great, will do. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:24, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== 1000 Faces ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?337145; It wasn't supposed to be a mod note, it was supposed to be a note explaining that the price was changed from what was there before when someone entered the wrong price. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Why would we want that in a publication note? After the price is changed, there is no context to show that the price was ever anything else than what is shown. We don't add publication notes stating that incorrect data was changed and I'm unaware that you've ever done so in the past. That note is totally appropriate for a moderator note, but not for a publication note. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:22, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:OK, if you say so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:31, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Boucher - "S-F Books - 1960" or "S-F Books: 1960"? ==<br />
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Ron, could you check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?178417 The 6th Annual of the Year's Best S-F] to see exactly how Boucher's essay is titled - I suspect it might be "S-F Books: 1960". If it is, and it's ok with you, I'll make the change. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:48, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please proceed with the change. The tile with the dash (actually looks like an em dash), appears that way in the table of contents. The title page uses the colon. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:09, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Music ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285854; LCCN ID added, publisher was longer, checked FantLab and longer name's on title page so I made it so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:31, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please don't do that this way. As I know I've explained before, if you change the publisher on the only publication by that publisher, you effectively erase the existing record for that publisher, and all the data contained therein. It's better to update the publisher record directly (or if that's a moderator only function, ask on the moderator board that it be done). I'm going to reject this edit and I'll update the publisher record as to preserve the existing notes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:37, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::So you're saying I should have added LCCN ID and then made another edit in the publisher record changing their name? Is that how it's supposed to be done? Also, I did some edits for 2 books by the same author (C. Pallen) from Manhattanville Press, the only 2 books on ISFDB from that publisher, 1 of which started with "The" and the other, published much later, which didn't, so I differed them; since there's no info on that publisher record it doesn't matter that I changed it from within the book record, right? Is that what you're saying? Also, if the Herald info had been lost it would have been a shame since I'm the one who added it in the first place. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Yes, when you change the publisher within a publication record, what you're really doing is removing the existing publisher, and adding a new one. If you remove the last publication to which the old publisher refers, the software will delete that publisher record. So yes, in this case you should have done it in two edits. For your other example, it's correct that it doesn't matter if the publisher being deleted has no additional data. If it had, what you would want to do is to merge the two publishers, which I'm fairly certain is a moderator only function. Even then, if both publisher records have conflicting data, that would have to be resolved during the merge. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:10, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sutro ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346448; Transient, couple of titles differ from contents page but I assume you entered them as they appeared at story heads, but "Ships That Pass" says 73, not 23, in copy just added to Dalby's site; https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/collections/newest-shopify-test/products/sutro-miller-ghost-stories-sentinel-publications-1947-paperbacks. Was that an error in book or an entry error here? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:53, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Unfortunately, I no longer have that copy. Thus the transient verification. I think it's likely that the page number is our typo, given the record numbers of the individual titles. Please feel free to change that if you'd like. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:14, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::http://www.philsp.com/resources/ISFAC/t155.htm#A2781; Fixed page number and another story's date which was actually published years earlier. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:38, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Introduction for The Wit and Wisdom of Discworld ==<br />
<br />
Hello,<br />
<br />
you verified two variants of the book (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301290 and https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?421825). I think the title record for the introduction is very likely wrong. It should be "Introduction: Through the Wardrobe Into Discworld". At least for the ebook I'm sure the title should be as said via Amazon LookInside: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?463079. That would also remove the duplicate title with "&" and "and", as adding the book name would no longer be necessary. Also it would match the German translation title.<br />
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Can you please verify if that's true for your copy? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 09:57, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for pointing this out. I've corrected the titles. I also corrected the book title of the first printing and reversed the parent variant relationship. I'm pretty sure that Doubleday wouldn't have changed between printings, and I'm sure the "and" was introduced because of the cover title. I was also able to verify the Harper trade paperback as having an ampersand for the Amazon look inside version. Oddly, the Harper eBook, uses "and". I suspect some of the other "and" printing are incorrect, but can't find evidence to switch them. In any case, I left the variant of the translation of the introduction to you. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:02, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== J.W. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327628; I think co-editor is this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11081. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:35, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Futures Forestalled ... for Now: South African Science Fiction and Futurism ==<br />
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I was taking a look at {{P|935348|this publication}} based on [[ISFDB:Verification_requests#Futures_Forestalled_..._for_Now%3A_South_African_Science_Fiction_and_Futurism|this discussion]]. As far as I can tell, this is an essay (and not a publication) that appeared in the non-genre magazine [https://www.tandfonline.com/toc/rcwr20/34/1 Current Writing]. I wanted to check with you as the processing moderator to see if you saw something I missed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:51, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Looking at the submission, I probably thought I was skipping it rather than approving it. I never intentionally approve submissions with a image link from a site for which we don't have permissions. I do give deference when the submitter is working from their own copy, but the image warning would have made me think this one should not be approved without contacting the submitter. The verifier was active recently. It may be worth reaching out to them to see what they thought they were adding. It looks like this may need to be converted to an essay in a non-genre magazine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:28, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Peter Archer (I) adaptations of Oz novels ==<br />
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Hi, Ron. Recently I recognized that your Peter Archer A{{a|359605}} is distinct from others, so I revised your verified record of ''The Road to Oz'' picture book adaptation, in its 3rd printing of 2009 edition P{{p|366091}}, to distinguish the adapter as Peter Archer (I). A second edit/self-approve was necessary for the chapbook title --you probably know; I didn't.<br />
<br />
Pursuing Peter Archer (I), I learned that that is a joint pseudonym. More descriptive disambiguators and fewer roman numerals are used here recently (CoViD era, i have noticed since returning). Perhaps "Peter Archer (pseudonym)" would be a better choice.<br />
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Byron and {{a|Kathryn Jackson}} are new to the database. (Husband and wife seem likely but I didn't find it stated.) From library records I learned that they adapted at least three Oz novels for Little Golden Books in the early 1950s. Last hour I added the other two as 1952 chapbooks. Library of Congress reports no other Peter Archer adaptations of Oz. WorldCat does not enable any such negative conclusions, as far as I know. <br />
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The number of submissions was greater than should have been. If I understand correctly, best practice is to set all toggles {Non-Genre ; Juvenile ; Novelization ; Graphic Format} and set Length if known --all for the child SHORTFICTION created as content of the new CHAPBOOK. Only then, make that one a variant. Then put parent SHORTFICTION in a series, or add title Note or Synopsis, if appropriate. Right?<br />
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How many of the 4 toggles and Length should be set for the CHAPBOOKs? Here I made the child CHAPBOOK juvenile. Then make CHAPBOOK a variant. New parent CHAPBOOK gets a Note occasionally; no Synopsis or series.<br />
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Your verified ''Road to Oz'' contains CHAPBOOK "The Road to Oz (abridged)" and SHORTFICTION "The Road to Oz". I did not name any of the four 1952 CHAPBOOKs and SHORTFICTION "(abridged)". What do you think nowadays?<br />
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Take a look at all these Peter Archer (I) records if and when you have a chance. For the next 10 days I will be away from home, and maybe away from ISFDB. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:18, 26 February 2023 (EST)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Bio:Ed_Gorman&diff=656265
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Place of birth via [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=6d6pnxkUCUYC&pg=PA349&lpg=PA349&dq=ed+gorman+1941+born+in&source=bl&ots=wp7rEwNbjG&sig=iy26Vr7rFedQEqoU8eYdC6bkz_4&hl=nl&ei=1FOyTrDTH8XO-Qao2rXbAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=ed%20gorman%201941%20born%20in&f=false The Best American Noir of the Century, by James Ellroy and Otto Penzler (page 349)], date of birth via [http://www.sfsite.com/~silverag/nov.html SF November birthdays]. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:45, 3 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: ''SFE'' is one source for these data today. Internet Archive holds a cross-reference archived 2016-05-14 and its earliest full entry, "Gorman, Ed" by David Langford [https://web.archive.org/web/20170222180607/http://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/gorman_ed archived 2017-02-22], which contains these data. Gorman had died 2016-10-14. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:54, 24 February 2023 (EST)</div>
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== ** Very old conversations, that still imply work I need to do ==<br />
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== Tiptree ==<br />
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I guessed the missing graphic titles were "Ooku: The Inner Chambers, volumes 1 & 2" by "Fumi Yoshinaga" and "Y: The Last Man" by "Brian K. Vaughan"? I've added those so they should appear on the annual awards page, and in the latter case on the author's award page. What were the other things you couldn't add? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 16:45, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Oh, and while checking some of the above, I found that in 2007 "Empress of Mijak and The Riven Kingdom" by "Karen Miller" was listed. That looks like ''two'' books to me? <br />
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: You're correct about the two graphic novels. We could add them to the database as "exceptions" to the rule about not including graphic novels, or leave them as you have them entered. I'm unsure myself which way to recommend. You were right about "The Riven Kingdom", and I've submitted a NewAward to correct that. I have a few other publications which I'm still working on (going through NewPubs, MergePubs, Variants, etc. before actually entering the awards). The other oddity is a "Special Mention" award given to "Regender", a software program at [http://regender.com/ Regender.com]. The award is mentioned on the Tiptree "[http://tiptree.org/?page_id=142 2005 Long List]", but was presented separately as a "Special Mention" award, along with Nisi Shawl's "Writing the Other", which I'll be adding shortly. Another one that's odd is the "[http://tiptree.org/?page_id=170 Special Honor]" award given in 2009 to L. Timmel Duchamp's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?12721 Marq'ssan Cycle] title series, i.e. to the series, and not to the individual books in the series. By the way, I meet with the Tiptree Committee next weekend, so I'm going to be really pleased to pass on to them what you and I have done here. Thanks! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:28, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: You're welcome - it's always good to work with an enthusiastic editor on a new area. I'll see if we can address the remaining problems before then - if it's a mod-only thing it should be possible, it it requires software changes they'll take a bit longer, we have a bit of a back-log there. But don't let that put you off suggesting stuff! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:07, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: I'm holding off on actually creating any formal Feature Requests, since you're working away at so much of what I've suggested, but eventually I'll turn remaining suggestions into FR's. And I'll admit to being enthusiastic :-) Last night we had our weekly D &amp; D game, and I was showing off the ISFDB &amp; the awards pages to them. They approved, and the Big Time Fan there (3-time Fan GOH at various cons) was particularly impressed. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Oh, and I think you mentioned a ''web page'' that won an award, or is that actually for the software program? I think we'd either treat it as a publication, now some web-based stuff is allowed, or try and allow awards for entire sites, like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?Hu2005 here]. And I'm sure Al von Ruff would like us to be considered for other awards, we haven't won anything for years! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:07, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: That's the "Regender" web page I listed above. It's both a web page and the software behind that page. And while we haven't won anything for Al (et. al.) lately, we did get that great comment in Locus about us being the place to go for such questions! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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(unindent) In related news, I have approved the addition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?353077 ''Writing the Other''] and changed the title type from NONGENRE to NONFICTION. "NONGENRE" is currently limited to non-SF novels, which is somewhat limiting, but it's the best we can do with the current database structure. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:13, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Sounds good. It's of particular interest to writers of spec-fic, so it seems appropriate. It also won a "Special Mention" from the Tiptree Award, one of only two non-fiction books to get such an award (the other being Tiptree's biography). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Another question: Do you happen to know what kind of work "Five Guys Named Moe" by Sean Klein is? You entered is a non-bibliographic award, so I assume that it's a comic or some such. I see that it's listed in the [http://www.locusmag.com/SFAwards/Db/Sidewise2005.html Locus award database] and elsewhere, but there is no indication whether it's prose or something else. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:13, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:It was on online publication, originally hosted on SciFi.com, but they removed all their online writing back in 2007 or so. The short story is still available at the [http://www.lexal.net/scifi/scifiction/originals/originals_archive/klein/klein1.html SciFi.com archive] maintained by other folks, but that's not one of the websites that we include in the ISFDB pubs, so it seemed inappropriate to add it as a publication record. But if you wanted to add a link from the award list to that web site, I would endorse that step. Personally, I hate the graphic background on that page; it makes reading a pain, but I don't know of a better site to link to. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks! I have made some changes and posted the results on the Moderator Noticeboard for discussion. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:19, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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BTW, I see that it features President Joe McCarthy, an interesting twist. I guess June-July 1953 would be a plausible point of divergence. Suppose (1) it's Roy Cohn who resigns instead of RFK (so no Dave Schine episode and no Army-McCarthy hearings) and (2) J. B. Matthews never makes the "Reds in Our Churches" faux pas and succeeds in bringing order to PSI. McCarthy manages to keep his high approval rating (50% in January 1954) and is well positioned to become a viable candidate after Ike's heart attack in 1955, splitting the Catholic vote and so on. Hmm, it's a thought. You'd have to do something drastic to get Joe to stop drinking in 1953, though, or else he will self-destruct by 1956 one way or another. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:13, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Diverges on April 23, 1955. And Joe dies of liver failure in 1957. So you got those points right :-) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: I just read the story and April 23, 1955 is when it starts rather than the point of divergence. The POD is apparently early 1952 since the story mentions that "some have wondered how the world would be different if General Eisenhower had accepted the GOP's offer to run for president instead of remaining the leader of NATO." The next sentence, however, is so bizarre that I am not sure what to make of it: "But after McCarthy cleaned up commies in the Senate, America decided he was the man to take on Khrushchev". At the time of the 1952 election the Soviet leader was Stalin, not Khrushchev. Stalin died in March 1953 and was succeeded by a "collective leadership" headed by Georgy Malenkov. Malenkov, however, failed to consolidate his position and was demoted in early 1955. Khrushchev eventually emerged victorious, but in 1952 he was just one of Stalin's minions. Oh well, another AH that gets its history wrong, nothing to get excited about... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:19, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Another Women in SF project ==<br />
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Or maybe just a "Meme" rather than a project. James Nicoll has been posting lists of female authors on his Livejournal, e.g. [http://james-nicoll.livejournal.com/3176749.html here]. I've provided him with some Debut-dated pages [[Authors_By_Debut_Date]] and [[Authors_By_Debut_Date2]] and he's done some gender identification - and people following his meme have added more or corrected him. Maybe you have an interest in common? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 15:53, 11 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ** Somewhat newer conversations, which I'm working on archiving ==<br />
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== Conference on the Fantastic in the Arts ==<br />
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I'm assuming you created [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?33415 this series]. If not, pardon the assumption. Several of the variant records were given series data and not the parent title record (because of the pseudonymous editor credits). This causes the title to show up twice on the series list. I've moved the series data from the variant title record to the parent record. That having been said, I'm not sure that these rightfully form a title series, although I suppose a case could be made for it when you think that ''Orbit'', ''Universe'', and ''New Dimensions'', along with many other anthology series have been placed into a title series. The problem in this case is that there are two titles numbered "1" in the series, and it comes up on the clean-up script which finds errors in the numbering of title series. I can't think of a way around it, because it appears they've been numbered based on the conference in which the papers were presented, with two volumes published from the first conference. Alas, the system doesn't allow anything other than a whole integer in the field, so it will have to remain as an error. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:10, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes, I created that series. I apologize for the parent record / variant record problem. I had added several of them as new pubs in one pass, checked on which pseudonyms I broke on a second pass and fixed them, then forgot to go back and fix up the series info.<br />
: One possible solution for the "Conference #1" problem is to view them like 2 volumes of a single title -- such as we might do for a book that has been published in both a 1-volume set and a 2-volume set (e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1130369 The Night Side of Nature: Ghosts and Ghost Seers]). Each publication could still go into its own slot in the publication series, but they would be merged into a single title, which would go into slot 1 of this title. Should I do that? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:28, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Sounds like a reasonable solution. You'd have to variant the two existing title records to one newly created title record, remove the series data from the two individual title records and add it to the (new) parent title record. That might work. Go ahead and try it so that we can see how it displays. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:21, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: Done. I think [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?33415 the conference series] looks pretty good with these changes, esp. due to the way it shows variants. Does it remove the problem with the clean-up script? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:29, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes. Works for me, even though when you get to the bottom of it, it's only a band-aid for an unfixable situation. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:23, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Automerge failed" (Bug 3598892) ==<br />
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Could you please list the steps that led to {{Bug|3598892}}? Was the "Automerge" option that you referred to related to "Find Duplicates" or perhaps some other menu option? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:18, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Looking [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1536647 here], I had created pub records for the 1812 and 1815 publications (1st edition, Vol. 1 and Vol. 2). I added a new publication to the title, and created the 1819 edition of Vol. 1. I added 86 short stories to the contents of that publication. I saved the publication. If automerge had been functioning correctly, it would seem that since there was an overlap of 50 (or so) exact title/author duplicates, that the system would have merged those short stories in the 1819 edition with the ones in the 1812 edition. It did not. I repeated this process with the next 11 publications, again with no automerging of titles occurring. (The 1813 publication was a clone, and hence had no problems.) The "Find Duplicates" function worked perfectly, and allowed me to then do a manual merge "relatively" easy -- if we view 300 uses of such merges "easy". (Aside: I am not yet done with this project, and have not identified variants within the short story titles, nor converted these titles into VT's of Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm.) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:38, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: Hm, I wonder if I may be confused. If the term "automerge" means that new Title records whose author(s) and title match an existing Title record are automatically merged by the software upon submission approval, then this functionality doesn't exist at this time. Or did you have something else in mind? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:58, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: I thought that was a feature. (facepalm) Using the voice of the church lady from Saturday Night Live -- "Never mind". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:06, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::: No problem! If I had a penny for every time I was hopelessly confused, I would be retired now. Er, wait, I ''am'' retired ;-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:14, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::: P.S. But it brings up an interesting point. ''Should'' it be a feature? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:15, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::: It would certainly make entering anthologies and collections easier. I wonder how many editors entering them now bother to go back and try to "Find Duplicates" on all authors in an anthology whose contents they've just entered? I haven't been. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:19, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: It may be too dangerous to merge titles automatically, but perhaps we could provide a list of possible matches for every entered Contents title (assuming there are any) and let the editor choose which one the entered title should be auto-merged with. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:33, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: That does seem like a much safer alternative. It does seem that a fully automatic merge on contents has the potential to be dangerous. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:47, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: It seems we have half a new FR here. I don't know if we should try and improve "Import" so you can do a lot of content entries in one go, automerged. Or work on "Find Duplicates" and enable mass submissions of such when you've just entered (and have had approved) a lot of contents that are similar to an existing pub. Or is there a third or fourth or more option I haven't got to yet? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:28, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Exile Waiting ==<br />
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Found a signature on the cover of [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?187989 this]], bottom edge left of the leading figure is 'Kresek' in a faint lilac print, hard to make out. Cheers! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 03:57, 10 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Wolverine's Daughter ==<br />
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In your verified {{P|55262|Wolverine's Daughter}}, there is a listing for "Wolverine's Daughter (Map)" which is marked as an ESSAY. Should this be INTERIORART instead? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:57, 12 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Certainly should. Thanks for correcting that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:49, 16 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Work of a Modern Occult Fraternity ==<br />
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{{T|1462435|The Work of a Modern Occult Fraternity}} is dated 1926 which is before Gareth Knight's birth. From the notes in your verified {{P|250915|The Secrets of Dr. Taverner}}, it sounds like the date should be 1962 (i.e. original to that publication)? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:30, 13 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for catching that. I've corrected it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:01, 16 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Sirian Experiments'' and ''The Making of the Representative for Planet 8'' ==<br />
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Quick pointer to some possible omissions: does the title page of your verified hc of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?85964 ''The Sirian Experiments''] also have the subtitle "The Report by Ambien II, of the Five", <br />
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: This edition has two title pages, one without the sub-title, and with it. The title page that includes it is the more involved of the two title pages, so I will add that sub-title to the PR. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:17, 16 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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... as with other editions, and does your verified hc of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?231521''The Making of the Representative for Planet 8''] have the Afterword? My UK hc has it beginning on page 123. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 09:17, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes it does; I hadn't noticed it. Added now. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:17, 16 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Tanith Lee's ''Volkhavaar der Magier'' & Leigh Brackett's ''Alpha Centauri sehen und sterben''==<br />
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Hello, Darrah! I just saw that you entered and verified Lee's novel. I'd suggest the addition of the pub. series ''Bastei Lübbe Fantasy'' (#20010) to the record and the change to publication date 1979-00-00. Both stem from [https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?query=Tanith+Lee+Volkhavaar&method=simpleSearch this], the price and the design of the cover does mark it also as from the beginning years (1978-1980) of the series. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?380903 this example] from 1983, where 'Science Fiction' has already left the cover (amazon ''is'' sometimes - much too often - unreliable in this regard). The pub. series and its no. should be noted on the back or on the spine, I hope. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:33, 22 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: The book says "Lizenzausgabe 1979", which would seem to me to imply that there was a 1979 publication, but would not seem to imply that ''this'' edition is from 1979. Am I wrong on this? You say that the design of the cover marks it as from 1979, but [http://www.amazon.de/Volkhavaar-Magier-Tanith-Lee/dp/3404012690/ Amazon.de shows ''exactly'' this cover, and claims a publication date of April 1985. So I'm still uncertain about this. However, the original seller of my book, from Germany, did claim it was a 1979 publication, so I'll agree with you on this. But I still wonder if I've misunderstood the word "Lizenzausgabe"? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:57, 16 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:And another one: The Leigh Brackett [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?408433 novel] was published in 1978 according to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334321 this source] and also according to DNB. I'll change the pub. date, okay? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:59, 28 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: Again, "Lizenzausgabe 1978"; no other date. Amazon-Germany shows my cover and claims it's Dec. 1982. The original seller agree with 1978. So I'll accept 1978 as valid. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:57, 16 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I changed the date for ''Volkhavaar der Magier'' and added a note after obtaining a copy of the book. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:28, 4 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: Should I be going back and looking at other books that gave a "Lizenzausgabe" date? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:57, 16 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, if you have the time and patience for it. In general Bastei Lübbe has had some problems in stating some data correctly: they didn't sign a first printing as such directly but they always did so (as fa as I know) with higher printings. So it is safe to assume the year stated with "Lizenzausgabe" as the actual year of publication for the respective book. And Amazon really isn't helpful in determining the real publication date of a book - they don't source their information and don't seem to update. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:41, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Thanks much! I'll keep an eye out for that problem with Bastei Lübbe. Most of my German titles are Heyne, and they don't seem to have the same problem, but I'll check on the other titles. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:03, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Mondadori publisher ==<br />
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Hi, I am re-organizing the italian publications of Mondadori, and I plan to merge these [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?44352] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?43182] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4472] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?39904] publishers under 'Arnoldo Mondadori'. There are two pubs you verified that would be involved in the change: this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399006 one] (publisher from 'Mondadori' to 'Arnoldo Mondadori') and this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399666 one] which apparently belongs to the 'Oscar Narrativa' publisher series (#1062) of Arnoldo Mondadori. If it is ok for you, I could perform the modifications and add the name of the translators and a cover to the second one (from Fantascienza.com, [http://nilf.it/105515]). Btw, is the name of the Artist of the second pub 'Andreas Fröschi'? Fantascienza.com reports 'Andreas Fröschl'. Thanks --[[User:Pips55|Pips55]] 22:47, 26 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Looking more closely at the publishers of those two books, it's appropriate to change them to "Arnoldo Mondadori". The former book says 'Oscar Mondadori' on the title page, but 'Arnoldo Mondadori' on the copyright page. The later says 'Oscar Mondadori' on the cover, but also 'Arnoldo Mondadori' on the copyright page. I have corrected each of them. You are correct that "Aliene, Amazzoni, Astronaute" is Oscar Narrativa 1062, but we do not currently have that as a publication series, so I have not listed it as such (feel free to do so, esp. if you know more books in that series that are in our databas). Fantascienza was correct about "Fröschl"; I had read the name wrong. I have corrected it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:51, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Verification question ==<br />
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This C.J. Cherryh book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16977] you and four others verified as being the 1st printing as per number line with "Printed in Canada". My 1st says printed in the US. Now there is no entry for a US printing. So is the there a Canadian printing with with a number line starting with a "1"? Is it a contributor's typo? Could five verifiers made the same mistake? Seems unlikely. I'd like to enter the US printing if these aren't the same book. I'm sending this to the other four verifiers to help figure this out.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 00:25, 28 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: My edition is the U.S. edition; I don't know why I didn't notice that this was a Canadian edition before. I moved my verification from the Canadian edition to the US. B the way, in all the work you did, you <em>didn't</em> verify it. So I left the "Primary 1" verification slot for you. You should go back and verify it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:03, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== A Romance of Two Worlds ==<br />
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{{P|380413|A Romance of Two Worlds}}: "<nowiki>http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images</nowiki>" was in the ISBN field and the Image field was blank. I assume the software truncated the URL when it was mistakenly put in the ISBN field. I found your uploaded [[:Image:RMNCFTWWRL1898.jpg]] and updated the publication to clear the ISBN field and add the image. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:16, 3 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for catching that and correcting it. You were, of course, correct. I guess I was getting too excited about another 19th century verification :-) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:05, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fanzine title ==<br />
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Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404285 this issue] correctly titled? The name on the cover is "Janus" while the publication and editor record are titled "Aurora". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:05, 8 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for catching the mistake. Odd mistake for me to make; Janus became Aurora with vol. "7", #1, not with vol. "6", #1. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?182816 editor record] was correct (AFAIK), and I fixed the publication record. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:14, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I'd created a magazine series for both Janus and Aurora, and I figured that issue must have been Janus and placed it into that series. I then made both series into sub-series of one titled [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?33744 Janus/Aurora]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:53, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: Thank you, that was the right way to do it. The last issue was listed, on the cover, as "Janus: Becoming Aurora", but I don't think we need to list it differently. Interesting politics behind the change in the title. Decades later I think they've patched it up. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:08, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Welcome back! ==<br />
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Hopefully you came out victorious in the battle with the book :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 01:38, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, I still have to write the foreword. But I got the translation completed, and the appendices where I proved two of the author's conjectures. And got a research paper written and submitted for publication. I also have one more research paper with a deadline of March 4th, so there's still too much writing to do. But at least I have time to take the occasional break for some of the fun stuff over here :-) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:11, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Dupes that you were checking ==<br />
Hi Chavey,<br />
there are several comments by you on the dupes project page [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Fuzzy_duplicate_finder_on_all_Authors Fuzzy_duplicate_finder_on_all_Authors], fo example look for "Chavey sent email to her asking about this" do you remeber how it ended and did you get some answers? I am tring to update the project with all the new data. Thanks, [[User:Qshadow|Qshadow]] 16:54, 19 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I emailed Alexandra Sokoloff on Aug. 23, 2011, at alex@alexandrasokoloff.com. No reply.<br />
: I emailed Anna Windsor the same day, at windsoranna@yahoo.com. No reply.<br />
: I emailed Blythe Ayne, and she responded that the story by "Blythe Ann" was by her, so I corrected that with a pseudonym (assuming that it was a misspelling in the actual publication.)<br />
: Thanks for asking, since it made me go back at look at the results/non-results. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Seduction of Miranda Prosper'' ==<br />
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The trade edition of this title wasn't published until January 2011. It's possible that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399215 this book club edition] may have a 2010 copyright year, but was simultaneously published with the trade edition. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:29, 22 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: The date had been entered before I verified it; I don't know where they got it from. There is no publication date in the book, and the listed copyright date is 2011. So I changed the publication date to Jan. 2011. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Jirel Delle Lande di Joiry ==<br />
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Hi, I corrected the title of the first story in this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?368459 pub] you verified from "Il Bachio del Dio Nero" to "Il Bacio del Dio Nero". --[[User:Pips55|Pips55]] 23:15, 23 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Arrow Book of Spooky Stories'' ==<br />
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Are your copies of all three printings "pb"? Also, you might want to remove the Amazon cover image link of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410478 the 1996 printing]. There's a visible price, and you might find a user or other editor questioning your note about it being unpriced. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:04, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Cloning too quickly. All pb's changed to tp's. Note added to the 14th edition that the cover is correct ''except'' for not listing the price. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:09, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Artist signature ==<br />
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I added a proper license to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:CrazyTime_sig.jpg this image]. Did you ever determine who the artist was? It looks like "Burleson" to me so it may be {{A|Joe Burleson}}. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:05, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Below is my attempt at an enhanced version of the picture, using brightness and contrast adjustments. Much of it is unreadable to me, but the last two characters certainly look like "en", which would rule out Burleson. The rest of the characters, however, seem to align correctly with that name. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:35, 23 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Janus, Winter 1977 ==<br />
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Can you confirm the artist credit for the piece on page 27 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404279 this record]? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:45, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Sorry about that. Corrected (to "Barry Kent MacKay"). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:23, 22 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Critical Insights'' ==<br />
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I saw that you'd created a wiki page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?Critical_Insights this series], so I'm assuming you placed the title records into the series. It seems to me that this is a publication series, and not a title series. But I'd like to hear your reasoning in the decision to make it into a title series. Also, what was the basis for creating the subseries (i.e. "Themes", "Works", and "Authors")? None of the sources, including the publisher's website, breaks the series into these parts. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:06, 21 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Sorry, I see now that the publisher does split the series (the [http://salempress.com/Store/ProdGroup/?ProductGroup.Id=70 webpage] you linked to on the main series wiki page lists them all together). This gives even stronger evidence that the series is a publication series and not a title series. A question one should ask to determine which series to use is: "Could this work be reprinted by another publisher and still be considered part of this series?" The answer in this case would be "No." [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:14, 21 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: At some formal level, these works could not be reprinted by another publisher. Since I've written essays for other series by this publisher, I know what the contract looks like, and it really does prohibit it. But still, I agree with your point that the <em>contents</em> of these series should make them a publication series. But because of the way that the publisher groups them into the three sub-series, and since publication series do not yet support hierarchical series, the only way to maintain that structure was as a title series. I have included on my [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Chavey/NonFicSeries Non-Fiction Series] project page the task of converting this to a publication series when that feature is added. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:13, 22 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Has the feature been requested? One other thing: I would not think that "Critical Insights" is part of the works' titles. Looking at the OCLC records for many of the titles, I could find none that included it as part of the books' formal title. Also, do you plan on adding the content essays? Most of the OCLC records that I checked included them in the record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: (i) This feature is [https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3566805&group_id=199503&atid=969757 FR 3566805], filed last Sept. by Ahasuerus.<br />
::: (ii) The New Pub [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Title help page] says "The title page may show the series name, ... It is left to the editor's discretion as to whether this should be part of the "title" that you enter for the publication." Amazon's "Look Inside" showed me title pages of 11 of the 19 titles, all of which had "Critical Insights" on the title page, albeit in the format "Critical Insights: Stephen King". In this case, it seemed that there could be enough books under the same title (e.g. "Stephen King"), that it would be helpful to distinguish books of equivalent, or similar, titles. Only two of these books had been previously entered into the system, one with "Critical Insights" as part of the title, and without; neither verified. I went with included the title series for the disambiguation reasons.<br />
:::(iii) Thanks for reminding me about adding the contents; I nearly forgot to do that. WorldCat gave me contents for 15 of the 19 titles (those not yet released did not have contents listed), so I added all of those. (I love my macros for doing that!) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:17, 24 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, I just noticed that the message "Artist Signature" (two topics up) never got a response. Have you had a chance to look at it? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:52, 22 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: Comment posted in that thread. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:17, 24 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Ugo Mursia ==<br />
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There are two records which you have primary verified as by {{A|Ugo Mursia}} that have come up as stray publications. The problem is the editor credit of this variant title doesn't match that of the parent title. The only way to correct this is to make Mursia a pseudonym of "Editors of If". Since it's obvious that he was not the actual editor of these anthologies, I would suggest crediting him only in the Note field (as you've done), and not in the Author/Editor field. If no editor is credited then it should be credited to "uncredited" per ISFDB standards. One other thing: the cover art is credited to "uncredited" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411665 this record]. That doesn't follow the ISFDB standard of leaving the field blank when the work isn't credited. It is also unusual to create a single record for the headnotes (here given as "Headlines"), something that is usually only recorded in the note field unless they are substantial enough to create records for each introduction. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:34, 7 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I'll change Mursia and the "uncredited" note, and continue that with Vol. 3. With the "Headnotes", I was simply following the lead of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35728 The Best from If, Vol. I]. It seems off from what we normally do, but it seems (1) worth crediting Frenkel for what's normally done by the editor; (2) not worth crediting Frenkel once for every story. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:38, 7 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== On the Night of the Seventh Moon ==<br />
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Changed the date for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?397090 this]] as I found a copy with an earlier code. Thus altered and fleshed out the notes as well. The 'P' gutter codes were a little wonky, spread over two years, so both our assumptions about the year could be wrong but the months should be correct. Cheers! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 16:34, 8 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Anya Seton's ''Avalon'' ==<br />
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Does your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367692 this BCE] have a gutter code? There's an Abebooks.com listing that offers a copy with code "17H" on page 437 which would indicate a printing in April 1966. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:17, 10 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Alien Sex ==<br />
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Hi, I think there is a small typo in the publication series of this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399006 pub] you verified: instead of 'Piccolo Biblioteca Oscar' should be 'Piccola Biblioteca Oscar'. Is this the case ? Thanks --[[User:Pips55|Pips55]] 19:48, 27 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: You are correct; thanks for catching that. I have corrected it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:10, 29 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Postmarked the Stars ==<br />
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Does your copy of [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26484 this]] have any ads in the back? Mine has 11-72-14C and 15A. Stuart Wells has 03/1971 for this catalog# which I think is reasonable for the linked record, but there's no way it would have a 1972 ad. I think Ace may have printed this twice without changing anything except the ads, pattern that is showing up a few times as I go through. Thanks for looking! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 19:03, 28 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Turns out [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Postmarked_the_Stars Willem's]] copy has different ads and there may be a third printing as well. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 20:26, 28 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: The only numbering on the ads in my copy are "14" and "15". The last book listed on ad "14" is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55366 World's Best Science Fiction: 1970] (publ. in 1970), and the last one listed on ad "15" is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50287 The Wizard of Venus] (Aug. 1970). The penultimate book on ad "14" has a publication of Feb. 1970. So this would seem to imply that the copy I have is probably a 1970 printing. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:52, 29 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: At the very least the existing record linked above should not have a 1969 date. The numbered ads were not even used until November '70. Your copy is the same as Willem's. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 16:52, 29 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::: So unless someone finds an apparent earlier edition, it seems that we should ''note'' the 1969 copyright, but list it with a 1970 publication date (all the books in my ads appear to be 1970 or older), and list Bill's copy as a known later printing. Then add sufficient notes to clarify this book's status. Is that right? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:52, 29 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Touch base with Willem. I've already created a new record for my later printing. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 08:27, 1 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "I keep dancing on my own" ==<br />
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I find it amusing that a [[User_talk:Starseeker_2065|certain editor]] continues to post on his talk page (the last one is as hilarious as it is illogical). Posting messages on your own talk page is like calling yourself on the phone and having a deep conversation, or the drunk guy at the end of the bar talking to himself... This whole situation only proves that authors make bad ISFDB editors. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:16, 10 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: In addition to not being able to find the ~ key, he still really has no idea how to use a Wiki. And he insists on not reading (or at least not comprehending) the how-to pages we suggest to him. We have [[User_talk:Robertreginald|another editor]] who also only posts to his own talk page. But he's important enough that folks like you and me keep a watch on that page to see if he needs anything. I did like our new editor's comment implying that folks who were publishing in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?178668 mid-80's fanzines] are something like "the old guard". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:37, 11 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Afterwar ==<br />
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Came across [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?376912 this]]. For a short time the greying/blacking out of the US price was how Baen did printings for Canada. Preceded dual pricing. So it's not an unstated second printing but a first Canadian, same date as the US one. Think they did this for a little over a year?? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 18:35, 10 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you for that insight! That explains what was going on. I'll update my record, and the ISFDB record. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:38, 11 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Latest rant from our favorite editor ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Starseeker_2065#chavey This] has really riled me up. If it were solely within my power, I would suspend his account immediately. I'll pass along my feelings to Ahasuerus. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:52, 12 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, to me that does look as somebody in or with serious troubles (I suspect at least a mild case of persecution mania). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: Yes, most regrettable. I have left a warning on his Talk page as per our Blocking Policy (we all know that capital letters make things look More Official!) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:31, 12 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: I had thought that my posts on his page had been carefully worded so as not to cause offense, especially after he got angry at Mike. It seems like he is taking offense at my suggestion that we would want a source before we pulled the existing date of death from Everett Cole, even though in the previous sentence I acknowledged that the change in SFE implies that "it may be that there is some doubt to that date". The wording of his most recent posting seems fundamentally sexist. He believes that I am a woman, who is also younger than he is, and his wording: "your OWN efforts might not be considered to be of all that much value, lady", emphasizing the "lady", seems, IMHO, to be a demeaning use of the term. I suspect he believes that as a younger woman I should "automatically" assume the implicit value and accuracy of the contribution of an older, wiser man. I suspect Stonecreek is right in saying he has "at least a mild case of persecution mania". All of us make mistakes here sometimes; e.g. of the four posts made on my talk page above this topic, three were to point out mistakes I had made. An editor who has trouble with moderators pointing out mistakes to them (or learning from those mistakes) seems unlikely to develop into a valued resource. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:11, 12 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::: To paraphrase Protagoras, "I am the measure of all things", therefore all characteristics which distinguish others from me constitute conclusive proof of my superiority -- I hear it's a popular argument in kindergarten :)<br />
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:::: I guess we'll find out soon enough how the situation resolves itself. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:39, 12 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I have blocked the user for 24 hours based on the last response. It wasn't as offensive as his earlier responses, but I don't think we want to use them as our standard of offensiveness. No need to make this project more stressful than it has to be. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:16, 12 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: I found it interesting that he said that his confusion about my gender and age meant "Perhaps you need to update your page, friend; [I] think most of the fault lies there, not with me." I looked again at my ISFDB [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Chavey home page] to see what he might be referring to. Since I say "My specialty is SF by women authors", he might have presumed that to mean that I was a woman, as if a man would not be interested in women authors. But there's no indication there of my age. However I do have a link to my [http://www.beloit.edu/computerscience/faculty/chavey/ professional home page], and I looked there again with fresh eyes. I hadn't noticed before that since the only picture I have there is one of me dancing with my wife, if you didn't know who I was, my gender remained ambiguous. That's amusing. So his comment that "I" looked much younger than him is actually a compliment about my wife. (She's slightly younger than him in that picture.) I will pass that compliment on to her. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:53, 13 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Considering that your home page states that you received your PhD in 1984, it means that he assumed that you were 18 or younger at the time. That's even more complimentary and puts you in the same league as Norbert Wiener! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:05, 13 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Don't I wish!! I was reading Norbert Weiner when I was 15, but I am certainly not in his class! It took me two attempts to get my Ph.D.: My first thesis was close to done when some guy from Australia published an even better result than the one that I thought I was going to get. So I had to pick a new area and start over. Didn't get my Ph.D. until I was 30 :-( I was at a "Math and Arts" conference once, and got talking to a guy who seemed to not know anyone else there. Thought maybe he'd appreciate a friendly conversation. I welcomed him to the conference, we talked a bit about the art exhibits, I asked him where he was from. "Boston". It didn't click that he meant "Harvard". He was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Elkies Noam Elkies], the youngest full professor in the history of Harvard. Embarrassing. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:16, 13 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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(Unindent) The conflict between him and me seems to have been generated due to his claim that our death date for Everett B. Cole was in error, that he was historically the cause of that error, that he now disowned that claim and we should erase that death date. He objected to my suggestion that we should get verification for this change, other than just his say-so. Since then I have spent far too much time verifying his claim, and was able to locate the correct "Everett Cole" through a genealogical site posting from his son. I have corrected our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?2092 Summary Page] for Everett, and added a basic biography (with citation) for him. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:53, 13 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Great genealogical snooping there! I think I've hit on something else that will be of interest. During the discussions with [[User_talk:Starseeker_2065|Starseeker 2065]], it came to light that his real name was Jeffrey S. Fisher, but that he'd wanted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?189173 Garnett Radcliffe] to be his canonical name because he'd published a collection under that name. (Since there was an early-to-middle 20th century author with that real name, his penname had to be disambiguated.) When the topic arose about how the ISFDB recorded the death date of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Starseeker_2065#Everett_B._Cole Everett B. Cole], he mentioned that in 1996 he was new to bibliography and made several errors in ''Locus''. This nudged a hidden memory, so I pulled out my 1996 issues and found this little "Anti-Obituaries" piece by Charles Brown in Locus #429 (October 1996):<br />
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::Several of the obituaries taken by Jefferey S. Fisher [sic] from the CD-ROM Death Index in the past two months are wrong. Both C. B. Gilford and Frank A. Javor are still alive, and understandably annoyed at our error.<br />
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:There are letters in this issue by Javor and Barry Malzberg (on behalf of C. B. Gifford [sic]) pointing out the errors. Brown responded:<br />
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::We've discovered we can't trust Jeffery S. Fisher's notes from the CD-ROM death list. We hadn't realized he is apparently guessing from similiar names.<br />
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:In an editorial in the same issue, Brown writes:<br />
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::The problems with the CD-ROM death list obituaries are chronicled in the letter column. We won't be running them any longer.<br />
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:Apparently, the CD-ROM Death Index was published by the US Social Security Administration, and it was from this source that Fisher drew data. Locus had ran three individual obituaries from Fisher in the August issue and a column in the September issue.<br />
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:I have to then conclude that Starseeker 2065 is also {{A|Jeffery Steve Fisher}}. This may explain his reaction to your reluctance to accept his data about Cole. Perhaps it was his personal history and the public dressing-down in ''Locus'' which may have made him sensitive to criticism, whether it's constructive or not. What he fails to realize is that we all make mistakes. (Look at my talk page. Half of the posts are from other editors pointing out my mistakes!) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:50, 13 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: I also began with the CD-ROM Death Index from the US Social Security Administration. It lists four different people named Everett Cole who were born in 1910 (see [http://www.faqs.org/people-search/everett-cole/ here], and search for "1910"). One is easily eliminated (died too young), and the correct one would not have been there when Jeffrey was doing his research, because he wasn't dead yet. (Another example of his problematic methodology.) I don't know how he chose between the other two. I used these dates as a starting point, but didn't settle on one person until I had some seriously convincing evidence. I suspect that you're right about him still feeling badly burned by this past, and that this may be a part of the source of his hostility. It also means, though, that we may need to be cautious about accepting submissions from him without pausing to consider their veracity. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Still on Alien Sex ==<br />
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Hi, I think I have found the series number and publication month of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399006 Alien Sex] in Ernesto's [http://www.catalogovegetti.com/catalogo/E0559.htm#12269 Catalog]. I am going through all the Arnoldo Mondadori publications, harmonizing wherever necessary the editor to 'Arnoldo Mondadori Editore' and I was wondering if it would be ok for you to change it in the cited 'Alien Sex' and in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399666 Aliene, Amazzoni, Astronaute] you verified. Thanks --[[User:Pips55|Pips55]] 22:08, 17 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I don't have any problem with you adding the month and publication series number to those books. I don't think you should change the editor though. I'm sure the (unknown) Mondadori editor did logistics work in, for example, overseeing the translation of "Alien Sex", but it was Ellen Datlow that organized the project, who selected the stories, and who then wrote the introduction, so I would not want to replace her name as editor. And I know she wouldn't want me to. A similar statement holds for Oriana Palusci in the second book, although I don't know her. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:03, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: My fault (a 'false friend' case, Editor is close to the italian 'Editore' which means Publisher): 'Arnoldo Mondadori Editore' is a publishing house, so I should have asked you about changing the publisher not the editor ... --[[User:Pips55|Pips55]] 19:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: Ah, that's fine then! I am certainly in favor of consistency on that. I'll change the publisher. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:58, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Added month and publication series number to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399006 Alien Sex]; thanks for changing the publisher. --[[User:Pips55|Pips55]] 20:45, 31 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Follow-up when disambiguating names ==<br />
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You created three disambiguated names recently by adding "(Italian)" to the end. The system can't recognize these as disambiguations and treats "(Italian)" as the author's last name. When an editor creates a disambiguated name, he must follow it up by manually updating the author's data, removing the disambiguation from the LAST NAME data field and replacing it with the true last name. For example, the author data for {{A|altname=John_Lane_(Italian)}} must be updated to make "Lane" the author's last name.(The reason I've noticed this problem is because the three names appears on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/al_search.cgi Invalid Last Name clean-up script].)<br />
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: My apologies. I'll try to remember that in the future. They've been repaired. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:32, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I added a note about this to [[Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name]]. Might I suggest you change "Italian" to "Italy"? There's some precedent for using country name -- e.g., search for "(US or "(Canad" or "(Austr" -- instead of nationality. There's even one "(Italy)". Some other entries do use nationality, so there's counter-precedent, but country seems to be more prevalent. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: Excellent suggestion. Corrections made. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:14, 19 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Too Long a Sacrifice ==<br />
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I added the introduction to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263531 this verified pub] and changed the pagenumbering from 210 to x+210. Hope you can agree. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:01, 25 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: An earlier verification of mine. Thanks for filling that out. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:52, 25 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Review of: Repel ==<br />
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Your (transient) verified {{P|418128|The Pulp Collector, #24 1994}} contains {{T|1600047|this review}}. The review is dated 1937. However, the credited reviewer was born in 1953. I suspect that the date of the reviewed publication (which is also 1937) was mistakenly given to the review also? If not and this is a re-printed review, we have two "Will Murray"s that need to be distinguished. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:47, 26 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: When I entered the review, I entered no date, assuming it would default to the date of the publication containing the review. Apparently, it defaults to the date of the publication ''being'' reviewed instead. I've corrected that date. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:16, 26 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
::That's an interesting subtly in the software that I wouldn't have expected either. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:23, 26 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Quark 4 ==<br />
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My copy of [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27082 this]] is CDN, so PV1 spot is vacated. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 17:29, 28 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: My copy doesn't specifically say the text was printed in the US, but: (i) The back cover says "Printed in U.S.A."; (ii) The title page says "Paperback Library: A Kinney Service Company: New York" (i.e. does not list a Canadian city. Are either of those 2 items different than on the Canadian edition? If not, then it may be that the indication of the US edition is just the absence of the notation about Canada, in which case we should note what page that's on. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:37, 28 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Twisted Root'' by Anne Perry ==<br />
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A quick question about your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395946 ''The Twisted Root''] by {{A|Anne Perry}}. Would you say that this author is above "the threshold"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:06, 3 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: No I wouldn't. I verified that book, out of my wife's mystery collection, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the one who added it. In general, I'm pretty reluctant to delete books that others have added. (Which is why "Publication Delete" is the only category of "Major Contributors" for which I'm not in the top 25.) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:23, 3 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: I share the reluctance to delete pubs entered by other editors, but keep in mind that a significant number of our pubs were created by robots in the early 2000s, back before we had a review/moderation process in place. Their inclusion criteria were rather primitive: is this book labeled "fantasy" or "science fiction"? and "do we have other books by this author on file"? The result was that we ended up with thousands of RPG modules, comic books and other ineligible items, which took me months to find and delete in 2006. Similarly, the robots added hundreds of non-genre pubs by Robert Louis Stevenson and other non-genre authors because they couldn't distinguish between their SF and their non-genre work. And, since ''The Twisted Root'' was published in 1999, I suspect that it was yet another victim of a well-meaning by overzealous robot :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 21:42, 3 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: Thank you for that background. I'll try to be somewhat more pro-active about deleting books that, IMO, don't belong. (With a note in the bibliography page.) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:02, 4 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for giving the pub/title a decent burial :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 01:23, 4 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Sword Smith ==<br />
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Hi, I'm about to change the cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?208373 this] publication from "A. Echenammia" to "Abe Echevarria", based on the same signature occurring on the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?299984 The Soul of the Robot] (also Condor 1978) and in Ian Summers' [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257210+f Tomorrow and Beyond], where it is attributed to Abe Echevarria. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I agree with your interpretation of that signature. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:25, 12 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Flannery O'Connor ==<br />
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I'm familiar with most of the work of Flannery O'Connor, and would not have thought her stories would qualify for the database. What criteria was used to enter [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409282 this publication] into the database? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:02, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I am ''not'' familiar with her work, and I'm pretty sure that (1) I'm not the person who added that book; (2) I picked it up because it was listed here; (3) I verified it, intending to read it, but haven't yet. Looking at some reviews of the collection, I see that several people refer to these stories as "horror", but that O'Connor disagrees with that assessment. So I don't really know if it belongs in. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:40, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::None of her stories have a supernatural element. If there is any "horror", it's the horror of the human soul and the horror of living in a world without the knowledge of God's existence and outside of His grace. Some I suppose would consider God to be supernatural, but he doesn't appear onstage in any O'Connor story. (But he lurks!) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:12, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Nacht in den Ruinen'' ==<br />
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Hello, Darrah! Well, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420564 this book] actually belongs to a long series of anthologies, that presented selections from MFSF and I have put the title into the according series. This one seems to have been accidentally numbered as #68 on spine and back, since the actual #68 was already entered. And it does seem that by chance all texts are from 1983: usually the selection is taken from various issues of MFSF from more than one year. The price should be mentioned on the spine (as an example 680 would stand for DM 6.80). You might want to adapt the notes. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 20 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the help, I didn't think of "Die Besten" as a title series, but that makes sense. I believe I have updated the book correctly, and added a better picture while I was at it. I think I've got another couple of books in this series, so I'll try to add them as well. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:57, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::It really looks good now. More issues? That sounds great. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:57, 24 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Gaiman's "Troll Bridge" ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the story has "The" in the title in its reprint in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?349944 this anthology]? If so, it should be varianted to the parent title [69551 here]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes, it is "The Troll Bridge", in both the ToC and the story title page. Variant constructed. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Restoree ==<br />
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PV1 is open for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27899 this]], my copy is CDN. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 02:55, 30 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Ok, I moved mine up. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:59, 30 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Bantam Classic ==<br />
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I saw in the queue that you were updating records for this publication series, when I noticed that among them was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?264445 one] that I had failed to primary verify. (I recognized my notes.) Pulling out my copy, I can find no use of the words "Bantam Classics" anywhere in the book. The front and back covers state "A Bantam Classic", the spine states "Bantam Classic", and the copyright page states "Bantam Classic edition". It's quite possible that this series eventually became "Bantam Classics", but I'm unsure whether we should make all records conform to one series name. Do you not think there's value in keeping them separate? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:36, 17 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I was going to check on this -- my apologies for not doing so first. There were two publication series in our system: "Bantam Classic" and "Bantam Classics". They clearly are the same series. The note that I added to the series itself says: "Individual books are labeled as "A Bantam Classic"; the full series is "Bantam Classics"." This at least is the strong impression I have from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantam_Classics Wikipedia page] on the series. I don't have a strong preference, but it really seems that they should be listed as only a single series, instead of the half-and-half we had. What would you suggest I do? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:41, 17 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I went through the dozen or so titles in our db and found that the later ones who had cover images invariably carry the banner "Bantam Classic", with neither "A" at the beginning, nor "s" at the end. I could live with that since it's what is stated in half of its appearances in my copy. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:51, 17 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: I'll change them all to "Bantam Classic" then, and check with verifiers on the (former) "Bantam Classics" then. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:52, 17 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::: The only "Bantam Classics" that was verified has a cover image that clearly showed it as "A Bantam Classic", and was verified by an editor that said (in their 'what to tell me about') not to bother telling them about Publication Series data. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:02, 17 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to Sword and Sorceress XXI ==<br />
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I have a first printing of Sword and Sorceress XXI, and the title on the title page is just "Sword and Sorceress XXI." The cover does say "Marion Zimmer Bradley's Sword and Sorceress XXI," but ISFDB standard is to use the title on the title page, so I have put in a request to make that change.<br />
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I have also updated the link to the cover image (same image, more stable link), and added a couple of "Notes."[[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 04:40, 20 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Good changes. It would be helpful, though, if when you made such changes you included a link to the publication you're changing. To do so, use the format:<br />
<pre>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?67381 Sword And Sorceress XXI]</pre><br />
where you copy the URL from the page you're changing, and its title. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:37, 20 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== NYRSF, July 2000 ==<br />
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I've added the Hartwell editorial to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61544 this record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:19, 22 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:11, 22 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== (The) Yellow Inferno ==<br />
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I changed the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301914 this pub] from "Yellow Inferno" to "The Yellow Inferno", as it is on the titlepage, and added notes. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:01, 2 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding license to uploaded author image ==<br />
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I reloaded [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Whoopigoldberg.jpg this image], adding a license which properly attributed the photographer and his permission for its reuse. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:29, 7 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 12:07, 8 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== McIntyre's "A Farewell" ==<br />
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Is the title given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357145 this record] exactly how the work is titled in the publication? Ordinarily we don't add a disambiguation unless the work is an excerpt from a work of the same name (to avoid accidental merges). Otherwise, such information is usually provided in the title record's note field. BTW, do you know if "The Clouds Return" was ever published? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:27, 23 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: In the ToC, this title is listed as:<br />
::: A Farewell, from <u>The Clouds Return</u><br />
: On the title page, it's listed as:<br />
::: <u>A FAREWELL</U> from <u>The Clouds Return</u><br />
: I didn't want to capture the underlining, but was trying to capture the font distinction.<br />
: And yes, "The Clouds Return" was published, after being renamed to "The Exile Waiting". I've updated the record to more closely indicate the way the title was shown, although I've left the quotation marks as a replacement for the underlining, and added a note about its published name. I can imagine that there would be a way to list it so that a reader interested in "The Exile Waiting" would see it, but I'm left grinning over calling it<br />
::: A Farewell, from "The Clouds Return" (extract from "The Exile Waiting")<br />
:which just seems silly. I also added a title note to "The Exile Waiting" about its pre-publication name, but doing anything more to connect these records would seem unnecessary. Is there a better way to handle what I've left as the quotation marks? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 13:49, 24 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Quotation marks are normally used in a reference to indicate a contained work, so a short story, essay, or poem would be in quotation marks, while the container (book or magazine) would be italicized. The ISFDB title field allows the use of HTML, which could accept italicization (using <nowiki><i></i></nowiki>), but we discourage the use because it plays havoc with searches. In this case, the use of quotation marks would lead a user to mistakenly believe that the excerpted work comes from a contained work (a piece of short fiction) and that the marks were present in the published title (they don't). I would personally drop them all together, but since there is no documented standard (that I'm aware of) on how to handle such a case, it's pretty much up to the individual editor. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:00, 25 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Riddle-Master of Hed'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm if [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257541 this printing] was published under the Del Rey imprint? The cover scan appears to have the Del Rey Fantasy logo at the bottom left. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:22, 1 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Cover has Del Rey Fantasy logo. Title page says: "A Del Rey Book (over) Ballantine Books". Copyright page says: "A Del Rey Book (over) Published by Ballantine Books". Spine says "Del Rey Fantasy". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:43, 1 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Correcting the publisher field to "Del Rey / Ballantine" would group it with other publications from that imprint (instead of just "Ballantine Books"). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:52, 1 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: Done. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:13, 1 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Best of Planet Stories #1 ==<br />
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Added the artist to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35858 this]], Contento had Freas credited but to be sure I emailed Freas' agent and he confirmed the credit is valid. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 02:58, 3 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:27, 3 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Hot & Cold Running Cities'' ==<br />
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I'm trying to determine the edition statement practices of Holt, Rinehart & Winston. Can you look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17357 this book] and see if it has a complete number line? I just accepted a submission from an editor for another Holt publication which has the "First Edition" statement, but a number line ending in "2". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:41, 15 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: It has no number line. It says:<br />
Printed in the United States of America: 065/074<br />
First edition<br />
: and that's it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:48, 15 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Damn! That was fast. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:50, 15 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
::: :-)<br />
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== ''Waste Not, Want Not'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that there is an ISBN-13 in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?361345 this 2003 publication]? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:59, 18 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?384151 this publication], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?361337 this one]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:00, 18 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: The two Destroyer books have ISBN-10's, and I have corrected those (I suspect they were originally entered from Amazon, and I'm not careful enough about checking the -10 vs. -13 ISBN's). The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?384151 third one] is down at my office, so I'll check it tomorrow. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:10, 23 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ISBN-13 and OCLC ==<br />
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I'm working on a script that finds pre-2005 publication records which have an ISBN-13 (they didn't exist before 2005). I've found a pretty large number of them have been OCLC verified by you. If you use OCLC to create or update a record, there's a way of knowing which ISBN is printed in the book: on the ISBN line of an OCLC record the first number listed is the one that appears in the book itself. Their system then automatically generates the opposite ISBN which follows immediately on the same line. Sometimes a single OCLC record will represent two simultaneously published editions of the same title, usually the hardcover edition and the trade paperback edition. This is especially the case if both editions are listed on a single copyright page of the book being entered by the OCLC editor. I haven't been able to determine which order these are listed in the OCLC record, but it may be the same order as they are printed on the copyright page. Another good rule of thumb: if the book was published before 2005, it won't have an ISBN-13. If it was published after 2007, it should have an ISBN-13 (some publishers were late in converting so that's not as hardfast as the first rule.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:24, 18 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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A further concern: I'm also running across records (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371747 this one]) which not only have an anachronistic ISBN, but also have a price in Euros, before Euros existed. (And oddly priced, at that.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:01, 21 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Since the Notes field mentions that the data came (in part) from Amazon.es, I suspect that it may have been a copy-and-paste artifact. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:03, 21 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::That's possible. Still, when an editor copies and pastes they should be aware of the data they're copying and pasting. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:57, 21 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''La Divina Commedia'' ==<br />
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Checking submission history, I see that you worked on Dante's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1365774 ''The Comedy''] in April 2013. As far as I can tell, the four 1472-1529 pubs under this title are in Italian, so I wonder if we should change the title from ''The Comedy'' to ''Commedia''? Also, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?380425 ''La Divina Commedia'' (1472)] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?393025 ''La Divina Commedia'' (1551)] should be presumably changed to ''Commedia'' because the first use of the title ''La Divina Commedia'' apparently occurred [http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/dante_alighieri in 1555]. What do you think? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:32, 21 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I spent a little time going back to the original sources of that data. Some came from Wikipedia, which is unreliable because they don't care about the original title; some came from WorldCat which occasionally lists things as "[Divina Commedia]", i.e. telling us that's not really the title, but without additional elaboration. I found copies at various auction houses which were much more careful about actual titles. Turns out that the 4 pubs listed under "The Comedy" had titles of "La Comedia di Dante Alleghieri", "Comedia", and (twice) "La Commedia". I also changed those two early "Divine Commedies" to "La Comedia di Dante Alleghieri" and "Con Nuove et Utili Ispositioni", their actual titles. I'll mention that I don't, my any stretch, have all of the early editions of this yet, but I'll fill it out more later. I was focused on entering the earliest editions first. Thanks for pushing me on the actual titles. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:03, 23 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: Great, thanks! BTW, would you say that the three NONFICTION titles adapted by {{A|S. Fowler Wright}} should be changed to NOVELs? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:30, 23 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: I checked various online descriptions of those three books, to verify that they were editions of those books, and not ''about'' those books. They certainly are, hence they qualify as fiction. However, my impression has been that of the three books of The Divine Comedy, we view the first ("The Inferno") as genre, due to the large number of fantastical beasts and monsters, and list the full "Comedy" as genre because of its inclusion of The Inferno, but list the 2nd and 3rd books as Non-Genre because they are primarily religious books, or religious speculation. So I changed those three Non-Fiction titles to one Novel and two Non-Genre. Let me know if you think that's not the right way to handle them. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:32, 23 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Works for me! We can always change it later if and when we revisit the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:07, 24 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Astro-Adventures ==<br />
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This title is indexed by Miller/Contento. Back in February I created [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Miller-Contento_Checklist this checklist] so that editors who need information about the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?309643 Miller/Contento] would know I could help them. It probably would have been better if I'd let everyone know about the list. (Maybe I did, just can't remember now!) I'll pull out the CD-ROM and see if I can provide further data on the issues of this title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:37, 28 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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BTW, I noticed that some of the issues you've added abbreviate the month in the title field. It is ISFDB standard to provide the complete month in the title field of magazine records. Documented on this [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Title Help Page] in the subsection "Missing or variant dates" (don't ask me why it's given here and not under the earlier magazine subsection): ''The date part of a magazine title should be given after the title, following a comma and a space. The month should be given in full and then the year in full.'' [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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One last thing: in the Note field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?428831 this record] you say we usually don't count covers. For magazine records, we always count covers and always have. It's documented [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages here]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:49, 28 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I'll go check Contento and use that to fill out the contents. I figured I probably needed to check there, but hadn't done so yet. Thanks for the note on the month abbreviation. I actually searched the help pages to figure out what formatting to use, but I check the "Title : Magazines" section, and it was not clear there. I would never have thought to check that particular section. That's ''not'' a good organization for the page. I'll correct the page counts. I can see the reason for that policy, but didn't remember it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:08, 29 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: My mistake. I ''had'' checked the [http://www.locusmag.com/index/0start.htm online Contento/Miller], and they do not include this magazine in there. Their [http://www.locusmag.com/index/chklst/0chklst.htm magazine checklist] includes some basic details about these issues, but no contents. So I am left with no idea how to expand the contents beyond what I put in there last week. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:20, 29 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Bug 361 "Curly apostrophes display wrong" ==<br />
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Could you please provide an example of [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/bugs/361/ this Bug]? At one point Al added special logic to convert "right curly apostrophes" to plain apostrophes because so many of our editors were using copy-and-paste and creating duplicate records for identical pubs/titles. However, I don't think we do anything for "left curly apostrophes" at this time. I'd like to review the current behavior and see what our options may be. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:08, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Unfortunately, prior to submitting that bug report, I did a search for such quotes, and corrected all the ones that existed :-) . To demonstrate the problem, though, I just created a test [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1648624 title record], where you can see the effect of the problem. One oddity about Al's patch from before seems to be that if you do a title search (title rec or pub rec) for ‘, you will find this test record. But if you do a title search for the matching ’, you will get no records. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:58, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I should add that to see the effect, it's useful to increase the font size for your browser. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:59, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks, I see what you mean now. I see the problem with "left curly quotes" and I think I can fix it rather easily, but how did you get a "right curly quote" character into that field? I didn't think it would be possible given that Al's logic is supposed to change all occurrences of "right curly quotes" to apostrophes at data entry time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:31, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: P.S. Never mind, I figured it out -- it was a display artifact :) Let me see if I can fix the left curly quote problem... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:51, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: OK, I think the patch that I installed a few minutes ago resolved the problem -- the curly quote disappeared once I pulled up your test record, made a change and re-filed it. I then created a new pub record with curly quotes in the title and they were all automatically converted to regular apostrophes. Ditto with the single affected Author record that we had on file.<br />
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::: Just to be on the safe side, could you please try entering another "curly quotes-enabled" record to see if you get the same results? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:15, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::: It seems to display consistently, although there are some oddities. In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?429948 this publication], all of the curly apostrophes (‘ and ’) are shown as ''straight'' apostrophes. All of the curly quotes (“ and ”) are shown as ''curly'' quotes. So that is a slight inconsistency between how those two characters are handled. When I do in to edit the publication, though, all of the left curly apostrophes in the main fields have been turned into right curly apostrophes, but in the "Notes" field, both types of curly apostrophes have been turned into straight apostrophes. Apparently, Al's earlier patch means that all of the curly apostrophes are now shown straight, but it's an odd effect within the editor itself. (updated) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:54, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Oh, you mean "curly double quotes" in names like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165414 Anastasia “Balaa” Korochansckaja]? I think this is the first time that the question has come up. Hm... I guess we would want to convert them to regular double quotes just like we convert single curly quotes to apostrophes -- our Help already tells editors not to use double quotes in authors' name. Does it sound reasonable? If it does, I'll ask on the Community Portal before I change the software. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:16, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Yes, that's what I meant by that reference. I suspect we should convert them. I have a slight preference myself for the curly quotes, but I think standardization is more important than a "slight preference", and it's much easier to standardize on straight quotes. But there is still the oddity that you're not really ''replacing'' the curly apostrophes with straight ones -- you're just making it ''appear'' as if they had been changed. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:19, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: The conversion from curly apostrophes (left as well as right) to regular apostrophes occurs between the time the editor submits the HTML form and the time when the data is filed into the database, so the data that we have on file should be curly-free. Well, in theory anyway. However, when you pull up a record in an edit form, apostrophes are displayed using "&rsquo;", which browsers render as "right single quote", i.e. a curly quote. Perhaps that's where some of the confusion comes from? (Not that it's hard to confuse me at 1:30am :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:28, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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(unindent) It seems that this isn't quite the right explanation of the apostrophes. I edited that test document, and added some additional single apostrophes, both curly and straight. Saved, then edited again. In the editor that time, most ''but not all'' of the single apostrophes were being rendered as curly ones. Those that were straight were: the ones inside the note field; those in the "Author1" field in the Contents listing. One odd effect was that the name listed at the top didn't look quite the same as the name listed in the Contents. I went to a +200% resolution to be sure of what I was seeing, but the apostrophes are not being rendered the same in these various fields. It seems, then, that this cannot be an effect of how my browser is rendering the character, but must be an effect of what characters the system is sending to the browser. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:44, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Hm, curiouser and curiouser... I will need to play with it some more to see if it's just a display artifact or if it may cause duplicates and/or confuse the search logic. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:25, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: Good luck! I don't think it's a substantive bug, or high priority, but it would be nice to have it working the way it should be. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Publisher: Panini ==<br />
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Hello, Darrah. I saw your comment on this publisher and would like to propose a change of name to ''Panini (Germany)''. The reason for this is that the individual branch for a country is a legal entity on its own and that the individual publishing policy will differ from country to country (also the respective ISBN is only valid for a given country). What do you think of that? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:23, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I agree completely. We certainly do that with other publishers that have branches in multiple countries. The only two books we have from Panini are both in German, so I invite you to make that change. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks, Darrah. I changed the name to 'Panini (Germany)' and added some more comment. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Tuberculosis Bacteria Join UN'' ==<br />
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Hi. I have found two similarly titled stories by Joan Slonczewski, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?100358 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1637871 this]. Is there possibly some indication of the latter being a republication of the earlier Story or is it in fact a new or revised take? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:40, 19 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: They're the same story. Thanks for catching that -- I've merged them. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:54, 19 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== S-F: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy ==<br />
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I've altered the title for Merril's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29754 S-F: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy]'' adding the hyphens where they appear on the title page. I also made a similar change to the summation essay on page 343. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:44, 31 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Crossroads ==<br />
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I've created a record for Crossroads, v1 #12 July 1970 http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?431213 Prof [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 16:00, 31 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Yandro ==<br />
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I have a couple of 1967 issues of Yandro - shall I do the same for them as I did for the Crossroads issue? Cheers Prof [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 16:02, 31 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes, please do. I'm surprised we don't have Yandro included yet. I have some issues of it that need to be added as well. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:50, 31 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::The second of my copies has been added: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?431388 Prof [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 13:24, 4 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Science*Fiction ==<br />
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I've placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1658322 this editor record] into a series which generates an issue grid. I also changed the title to the standard "Title - Year" format. Although in cases where there's only one issue, it's not necessary to change the title field of the publication into an annual record. (But nothing in the rules prohibits this.) <br />
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One last thing, according to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Title ISFDB standards] (look under the "Missing or variant dates" subsection), the month given in a title field should be full (completely spelled out). So [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?431601 this publication]'s title would be "Science*Fiction, #1, January 1946". Most editors don't add a second comma in the title field after the issue number (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?25495 Interzone] as an example), but there's nothing in the rules that require it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:31, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the correction. Issue title corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:25, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Immortals of Mercury ==<br />
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You've started me poring over my Clark Ashton Smith bibliographies and as a result, I've added the price to your verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41984 The Immortals of Mercury]''. I've also noted the source of the price and added the Reginald1 catalog number. The Sidney-Fryer book is invaluable and I'm slowly correcting many of the dates of Smith's poems. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:54, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Wonderful! He is certainly an author we want to have good data about. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:37, 12 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== They Fly at Çiron ==<br />
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Does your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?355868 They Fly at Çiron] have an author's note about the history of the story/novel? I just added it to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50958 Tor paperback]. Thanks for checking, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:09, 14 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Van Vogt and Hull's Out of the Unknown ==<br />
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Could I get you to check if the jacket of your copy of Van Vogt and Hull's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25361 Out of the Unknown]''. I just acquired a copy an mine has a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/2/2f/TFTHNKNWNR1949.jpg different jacket]. I believe that I have the first state book mentioned in Currey (light blue mesh weave cloth). Currey also mentions two states of the dust jacket with the A state having a price of $2.50 and with the rear panel having biographical sketches about the authors. The B state has a price of $3.00 and a blank rear panel. My copy is unfortunately price clipped, but it does have the sketches on the back panel. My theory is that perhaps the second state dust jacket is what we have pictured.<br />
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I'm also going to start a [[Rules and standards discussions#Anthologies with No Editor and Few Authors|Rules and Standards]] discussion about whether this should more properly be an anthology and how the authors should be reflected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:50, 14 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: My copy is signed by both authors, and V.V. dated it Feb. 13, 1948 (i.e. 2 months before the official release date), so it's pretty certain to be the first state. It's the light blue mesh weave. The dj, of course, is not guaranteed to be the one from the original book, but appears from other evidence to be that one. It is unclipped, with a $2.50 price. The back of the dj has biographical sketches of both authors, the back dj flap has "forthcoming" advertisements for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11175 "The Sunken World"] (1948) and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297612 Death's Deputy] (1948). The cover is the same green/black/white image and lettering as yours <em>except</em> that under the title is a thin white band with "STRANGE • UNUSUAL • STARTLING • BIZARRE • STRANGE " on it. Does yours have that and just get clipped in the scan? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:40, 15 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::We certainly have the same book (mine, alas, is not signed) and I think we have the same jacket. I've scanned my actual cover and posted to my Library Thing account [http://pics.cdn.librarything.com/picsizes/94/24/9424484c3731f7159736d516877444341587343.jpg here]. Aside from the potential cropping cutting off "strange, unusual, etc." band, mine has a different lettering of the authors' names. Additionally, the title is in a green that is used for the moons, columns and the vulture in the cover illustration. The pictured cover appears to have the title in white, but that may be due to fading of the copy that was scanned. If the lettering of the authors' names matches that in the record then we actually have two different jacket states and I'll upload my scan as an alternate cover. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:56, 15 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Quinzinzinzili ==<br />
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A [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?432024 1935 publication] wouldn't have an ISBN, much less an ISBN-13. The OCLC record you link is for a 2007 edition. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:54, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Odd that I somehow switched from the oldest WorldCat record for that title to the newest. Thanks for catching that, it's been corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:37, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Dogland'' ==<br />
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Before I make a variant of the cover artist, can you confirm that they are credited without the "Inc." in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10508 this publication]? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:08, 26 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: The only place the cover artist is credited is on the inside back DJ flap. It says only "The Chopping Block", i.e. no "Inc.". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:47, 28 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Misaligned ISBN ==<br />
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Can you check to see if the ISBN-13 is given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399631 this book]? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:28, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312144 this book]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:44, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Both corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:58, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== KHM (Kinder und Hausmärchen) ==<br />
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I believe you were working on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?34744 this series]. It came up on a cleanup script as having two duplicated numbers (103). I know nothing about it or I would fix the numbering myself. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 09:55, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Not surprisingly, one of them was supposed to be the missing "113". I checked the German sources and corrected that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:45, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Sorry, I've been (slowly) working on these from a Fixer submission credited to the brothers Grimm using their full names. I got all of the contents entered and have the varianting in progress. As I've made the variants, I've been putting the German titles into the series. A second pass will be to go back through the other titles and make more variants where there should be. I'd like to say 1 -> 0 was fat fingers, but even my fingers are not that wide. Thanks for catching/fixing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:48, 4 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: Thanks for working on this. I kept meaning to come back and work on the varianting for these German titles, but hadn't got to it. It will be nice to have those set up right. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:25, 4 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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(unindent) While we're on the topic of this series.... Apparently there's an original 151, but Bell in 1897 decided to break them into two (see [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1937994317#reader_1937994317 this] -- search for 151 and look at the "Front Matter" results). So, do we want to have two 151s (as done, for example [http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/grimmtales.html here]), which I have done for the moment, and then continue on with 152 through 210? Or do we want to do as in that Look Inside's book and make the second 151 be 152 and then number through 211? Although I guess it'll bring itself to Michael's attention, I'd prefer the former approach (even if we end up with three 151s). Then there's only one anomaly, and it's easy to explain. What do you think? I've paused at the 2 x 151 point. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:58, 6 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::The cleanup scripts are for everyone's use, though I suppose your pointing out that I would question the duplicates is an indication that I'm the only one who actually "cleans up" the database. At one time I was able to keep up with all of the errors found by the scripts, but with the recent addition of new ones, I could really use some help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:54, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: You are doing a great job monitoring data consistency, Michael. However, please keep in mind that the recently added scripts expose problems which have developed over many years, so it will take some time to clean them up. 3,000+ problem records may look like a lot, but if we do just 30 every day, in less than 4 months everything will be cleaned up. No need to kill ourselves in a week-long marathon :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:59, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::That's ''exactly'' my point. I've worked on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/bad_images.cgi a new script] that found 3000+ records and fixed more than 100 in one long session. The problem is ''no one'' else is working on the scripts. If I let them sit, as others are doing, it won't take four months. It will ''never happen at all''. Your timeline suggests only one person's progress, so there's no "we" or "ourselves" in the formula. There are other recent scripts that have also resulted in thousands of bad records. I'm not suggesting that everyone set aside their own projects and to jump on a "week-long marathon" I'd settle for your "30 every day" from each of the active editors. After all, this is a communal project, not just individuals puttering around in their own private garden. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:21, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: How about 151.1 and 151.2 (or 151 and 151.1) now that non-integer numbers are supported? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:37, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:: I think that's a good idea. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:38, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::I just made the same suggestion on Marty's talk page. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:54, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sigh. All I have to say is: "Duh!" --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 03:57, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Synopses in CHAPTERBOOK records ==<br />
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Here's another one that was found using a cleanup script. This CHAPTERBOOK [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1690350 title record] contains the story synopsis. The ISFDB policy is to enter the synopsis in the SHORTFICTION [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1690351 title record] and not the CHAPTERBOOK title record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 09:59, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks, I should have realized that. Corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:53, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Fall of Atlantis'' ==<br />
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After adding Contents items to our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1945 6 editions] of {{A|Marion Zimmer Bradley}}'s ''The Fall of Atlantis'', I realized that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338641 one of them] had a verifier. Hopefully it's not one of those no-goodnik contentless omnibuses :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:57, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: I found my copy, and realized what had caused me confusion at the time I verified this. While the book is the combination of "Web of Light" and "Web of Darkness", neither of those two novels is listed as such anywhere within the book. Instead, the book is listed as being composed of five "Books": (1) Micon; (2) Domaris; (3) Deoris; (4) Riveda; (5) Tiriki. A bit of research shows me that the first two "books" constitute "Web of Light", and the last three constitute "Web of Darkness". But I don't know how to list this in the contents. The listing now, with the two "Web" books, does NOT correspond to anything you can find within the book itself. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:00, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:: I suppose we have two options: (a) keep it as an OMNIBUS and explain the situation in Notes and (b) change the title type to NOVEL, remove the two constituent titles and mention that it's basically a fix-up in Notes. If we have reason to believe that this edition didn't introduce any non-trivial textual changes, I would recommend option (a). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:38, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: I finally pulled my copies of all three books and compared them. There really is no "fix-up"; <em>The Fall of Atlantis</em> simply packages the other two novels together, except for not needing the 2-page "What Came Before" that's in "Web of Darkness". As such, I agree with your solution (a). I have added notes to the omnibus [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?887255 title record], and to the notes for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?2924 Atlantean title series], which contains these three books. If you have the chance, please look at them and see if they make sense. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:52, 19 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Looks good, thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:12, 19 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Grand Avenue ==<br />
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A [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?438224 book] published in 1994 wouldn't have an ISBN-13. Please refer to your source's data. When OCLC gives an ISBN they start with the stated one which is followed by the derived one (just as the new ISDFB display does.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:22, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Sorry, I'd entered that data from Amazon (who don't distinguish), then didn't notice that WorldCat was telling me otherwise. Corrected now. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:42, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::You didn't give Amazon as your source, so I had to assume it was from the only one you noted. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:50, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Zettel/Playing God ==<br />
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Hi - I added the "About the Author" to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26330 this pub] that you verified. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:16, 13 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Same for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14118 Fool's War]. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:22, 13 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Various Brothers Grimm story title spellings ==<br />
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In your transient-verified {{P|406464|Kinder- und Hausmärchen (Vol. 1)}}, do you have any way to tell (or guess) whether a second "o" was dropped from {{T|1539365|Von dem Machandelbom}}? You recorded some earlier editions of the same collection with its having two, which I believe is correct (it should be boom or baum). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:35, 17 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I realized you gave Wikisource for the source, so I can check these myself. I'm going to assume you don't need to be notified of anything I can correct in these by examining that source. Let me know if you'd like to do otherwise. I'll pull the other separate sections I had submitted after this into this one section, just for reference. I won't add further. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 03:10, 17 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Another possible typo. In your transient-verified {{P|406116|2nd edition}}, should/could "Der" be "De" in {{T|1538540|Der Gaudeif und sein Meester}}? The other editions use "De", which seems to be correct. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:49, 17 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Another... In the {{P|406451|3rd edition}}, could the final "e" on {{T|1538864|Die Alte im Walde}} be a typo? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:20, 17 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Could {{T|1538893|Der Sternthaler}} be "Die" instead of "Der", and is the "h" definitely present? I couldn't find any references having that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:42, 17 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== May's The Adversary ==<br />
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I altered the page count to Julian May's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35034 The Adversary]'' per [[User talk:Rtrace#The Adversary |this request]]. I also added several pieces of content (we only had the novel itself), though I couldn't verify the maps were the same as those in the US edition. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:21, 17 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Feature request 370 ==<br />
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Just a heads-up that I have started a Rules discussion of [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/feature-requests/370/ this FR], which you created in December 2012. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:40, 20 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== A Matter of Seggri ==<br />
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In your verified {{P|411468|Flying Cups and Saucers}}, there is a story by Le Guin titled {{T|938587|A Matter of Seggri}}. This is probably the same story as {{T|40605|The Matter of Seggri}}. Would you mind double checking this title and seeing if there is any previous printing information to indicate this is a variant title? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 01:59, 25 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:26, 4 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Delta Vision [Kiadó] ==<br />
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FYI, the answer to my middle point/question [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GaborLajos#V.C3.A1ros_az_.C5.91szi_csillagok_alatt__and_Delta_Vision_.5BKiad.C3.B3.5D here] potentially affects your verified {{P|339492|Levegö}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:00, 9 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible typo, but by whom? ==<br />
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Hello Darrah. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1607333 this essay], which apparently was reprinted in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?440782 Foundation #3], but possibly with a different title (which is not verified, given that the information was drawn from a secondary source: see notes for F3). Could you take a look at your copy of ''Extrapolation'', to see if it really is 'Suns'? Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 21:17, 16 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: It's at my office right now, so I'll check it when I get in there. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:18, 16 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Summer Songs With Music ==<br />
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Your verified {{P|437644|Summer Songs With Music}} has a publication type of NOVEL, but a container type of CHAPTERBOOK. Based on the page count, chapterbook is probably correct, but I will leave it to you as you're the verifier.<br />
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By the way, did you see the "A Matter of Seggri" question a couple of sections up? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:02, 22 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Petit Prince ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442816 This record] appears to be under the wrong title (without a dash in the name). Is that correct? Both the cover and the OCLC record give the dash. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:43, 24 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Absolutely correct. I had cloned it from a pub that didn't have the hyphen, and didn't notice it. Thanks for catching it. Corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:21, 24 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Diane M. Martin and Richard S. Russell ==<br />
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Please check the {{T|1528840|Rosemary's Grandchildren (Embryo, The Omen) (Movie Review)}} title record from one of your verified pubs. I believe the author credit needs to be changed to two author lines vs. the use of "and". Unless I'm missing something. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:13, 29 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for catching that -- I was importing from another database, and then thought I had caught all such instances. Richard and Diane were pretty much one unit at the time :-) but still deserve separate attributions. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:44, 29 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== CHAPTERBOOK record without content ==<br />
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I added a POEM content to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?443876 this CHAPTERBOOK publication record] per ISFDB standards. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:57, 1 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks; must have had a brain fart to forget that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:38, 3 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Death's Master ==<br />
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I think you duplicated [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233137 this pub] when you created [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270114 this pub]. They are both 3rd editions, but your entry has the correct information. I added a cover image. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 21:12, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Looks like the record I created, on 2010-11-02, was the first one, and the one that Rhschu created, on 2012-03-25, was the duplicate record. He has a publication date on his record (but lists no source for that), so the duplication wasn't obvious. I'll merge the two records. Thanks for noticing this. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:27, 6 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Bold as Love'' ==<br />
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I've added the frontispiece illustration for our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5176 verified pub] and identified the uncredited artist, detailed in the note. (Bryan Talbot did plenty of interior art for Gwyneth Jones's 'Bold as Love' series – see the website linked in the note). I've also replaced the Amazon cover image with a much better one. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 21:14, 16 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Snugglepot and Cuddlepie ==<br />
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This series popped up on the clean-up script because the first two CHAPTERBOOKS title records contained the series data. So I moved the series data to the SHORTFICTION contents (per ISFDB standards). In the process I noticed that the third book in the series, your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444661 verified record] was entered as a NOVEL. Based on its page length, I converted it to a CHAPTERBOOK, adding a content record which now contains the series data. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:01, 17 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I also moved the synopsis from the CHAPTERBOOK record to the SHORTFICTION record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:11, 17 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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And I moved the synopsis from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1041432 this CHAPTERBOOK record] to the SHORTFICTION record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:14, 17 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Sorry, I keep messing up the Chapterbook records. I entered the 3rd book originally as a "Novel", based on its thickness, then thought I had corrected it to a Chapterbook based on the page count, but apparently I failed to do so. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:07, 17 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Held submission ==<br />
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I've looked over [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_new.cgi?2280244 this held submission] and can find no reason for it to be held any further. (After four months you're not going to get a response from the editor.) My research has found that none of the titles in this anthology are spec-fic. (Read the editorial review on [http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/adoniram-and-other-selections-by-newbery-authors-martin-h-greenberg/1004580919?ean=9780836828603 this listing at B&N].) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:52, 19 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Now it's been five months and still sitting in the queue... [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:02, 17 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::I have done a hard-reject of the submission. If for any reason you need to see it, here is a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:WaughsubmissionDec2013.jpg screen shot] of it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:12, 31 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: My apologies. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:43, 6 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Hey, I am just glad that you are alive! :) After a few weeks I was beginning to get worried, what with our recent experiences... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:05, 6 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Just overwhelmed with the end of semester grading and other such responsibilities. Then I had about one day until WisCon, for which I'm on the convention committee, which coincided with the SFRA conference, where I was presenting. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:21, 6 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Busy is good :) at least within reason :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:13, 6 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Shadow on the Hearth", by Judith Merril ==<br />
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Could you respond to my remarks [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#.22Shadow_on_the_Hearth.22.2C_by_Judith_Merril here]? It's been a week now. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 18:47, 22 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Answered there. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:23, 23 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Charles G. Waugh's submission ==<br />
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Just wondering if you have tried e-mailing Charles G. Waugh about his held submission? He may not have visited ISFDB since last year and who knows when or if he may stop by again... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:50, 20 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:He's stopped by several times to update [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Bio:Charles_G._Waugh&action=history his bio page]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:26, 21 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Garan the Eternal ==<br />
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Your 2¢ [US, of course] would be appreciated on [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Garan_the_Eternal this]] discussion. Cheers! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 04:09, 13 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Knave of Dreams ==<br />
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There are two Ace editions of the above title that are virtually identical. [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?453022 this]] and [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?252861 this]]. The differences are in the notes for the first link. I don't know which copy you have .... Cheers! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 01:33, 15 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Reviews in "Quantum" ==<br />
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According to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Reviews the current help documentation]:<br />
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''Note also that only books, magazines, and short fiction are entered; if the column reviews fanzines, you don't need to enter the review records for these, only the ESSAY record. ''<br />
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So the fanzine reviews in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?452944 this issue] (and others if applicable) should be deleted as there is a single ESSAY record which represents them. You have the option to create publication records for each of the fanzines, but then you'd have to make sure that their editor records aren't merged in annual groupings as most publications are, because the reviews are of specific issues and not the editor records.<br />
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Also, it is not necessary to disambiguate the title in the title field of the publication record, in this case the addition of "(1970's)", because the authors aren't identical to any other use of the same title. For example, if an author has two different works published under the same title, you would have to disambiguate the title. That is not the case here. (If two different authors wrote a novel with the same title, there would be no need to disambiguate one to distinguish it from the other since there's no possibility of them being accidentally merged.)<br />
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Only [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?36862 the series title] would have to be disambiguated (as you've done) because there is already a "Quantum" series in the database. <br />
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BTW, the apostrophe here is misused. When referring to a decade, there should be no apostrophe as it implies possession and this is a plural word, i.e. the 1970s, or the Seventies, and not "the 1970's" or "the Seventy's". (Sorry if that's being too picky.) You could avoid the entire situation by naming the series "Quantum (1975-1978)" or something similar. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:15, 15 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Zoo of Zeus'' ==<br />
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Under current ISFDB definitions [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1740874 this work] is a COLLECTION and not a CHAPTERBOOK which can only contain one work of SHORTFICTION or a single POEM. If you consider the work to be a single poem, then the synopsis should be moved out from the CHAPTERBOOK record to the POEM record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:02, 16 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: For simplicity, and because of the common thread through all the poems, I'm viewing it all as a single poem. (I also don't think the book is worth giving her credit for 25 poems.) I'll move the synopsis into the POEM record. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:34, 17 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Firebird and Other Russian Fairy Tales'' ==<br />
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If Onassis is given as the author of the publication records, she must also be credited in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1740878 the title record]. (This is listed on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/ma_search.cgi clean-up script] that finds author field mismatches between publication records and title records.) BTW, even if Onassis is credited with the translation (and you've noted she isn't), she would not be credited as the author, since we don't credit translators in the author field. I'm not even sure if "modifying" existing texts is considered worthy of author credit. Editors do it every day. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:10, 17 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: I really don't know who to credit. Zvorykin made the pictures, and did his own personal translation of the stories into French, but those translations were <em>not</em> used as the basis for the stories in the English edition. The translations used were by translators uncredited. So I guess I could list the stories as by "uncredited". The impression I have, though, is that Onassis did some substantive editing of them to adopt them to the style of Zvorkin's original, and to bring them into alignment with his pictures. As you say, that's just pretty much what editors do. However, she's credited much more prominently than editors usually are. The title page for the book reads:<br />
<ul><ul><center>'''The Firebird'''<br>and Other<br>'''Russian Fairy Tales'''<br>* * * *<br>Illustrations by Boris Zvorykin<br>Edited and with an Introduction by Jacqueline Onassis</center></ul></ul><br />
:It seems to me fairly rare the credit the editor on the title page, which is why it seems to me that she should be credited more by us than a "normal" editor. Thoughts? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:32, 17 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::It is the ISFDB standard to credit '''only''' the author(s) of a work typed as COLLECTION or NOVEL. Neither the editor nor the translator is credited in the Author field of a ISFDB records. If you find records where they have been, those records should be corrected. FYI, I am credited on both the cover and the title page as the editor of two collections by Michael Bishop, but have followed the ISFDB standard and not credited myself in the Author field. I would venture to say that I put in more effort and logged more hours than Jackie O ever did in working on this publication. If you wish to revisit the ISFDB policy on crediting editors please start a discussion on the Rules & Standards page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:31, 17 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: I converted all 4 stories to "uncredited". I remove Zvorykin as a co-editor. That leaves Onassis as the editor and the author of the introduction. That should pass all of the clean-up scripts, and I think matches the ISFDB standards. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:17, 19 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Isaac Asimov Präsentiert: Die Wunder der Welt'' ==<br />
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Hello Darrah, I'll try to find out the month of publication for this anthology. While u wait: from the cover image it seems that it is 'präsentiert' instead of 'Präsentiert': the german regulations for capitals do somewhat differ from the English ones. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:39, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: You're right on the capitalization; I'll correct that. Thanks for checking on the month. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:56, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:: Month found and inserted with an accompanying note about the source. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:48, 19 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fanzine reviews ==<br />
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Perhaps you missed [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chavey#Reviews_in_.22Quantum.22 this message]. Those fanzine reviews are showing up on the clean-up script that finds publess authors. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:18, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: I believe I have that fixed. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:13, 19 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/si_search.cgi stray (publess) review records] are still in the database. Removing them from a publication doesn't delete them. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:57, 19 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: Gone. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:05, 19 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Bobbie Bubbles'' ==<br />
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Per ISFDB standards, I added a SHORTFICTION content record to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?453756 this publication], and then moved the synopsis from the CHAPTERBOOK title record to the SHORTFICTION title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:01, 20 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Dang, I gotta get better at that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:03, 20 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Vinge's ''The Dune Storybook'' ==<br />
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I changed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38931 this publication] from a NOVEL to a CHAPTERBOOK, adding a SHORTFICTION content record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:41, 21 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Appropriately done. That was a couple of years ago, when I was even worse about Chapterbooks than I am now. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:29, 22 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Edward Valigursky ==<br />
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Please see [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Ed(ward) Valigursky|this discussion]] regarding covers by Edward Valigursky. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:50, 24 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Crystal Scepter ==<br />
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With respect to your verified {{P|405955|The Crystal Scepter}}, the Amazon Look Inside for the {{P|456607|ebook version}} has Gary Lippincott credited for the cover art on the copyright page. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:07, 29 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:18, 30 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Three Times the Fear'' ==<br />
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The OCLC record which is linked to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51234 this publication record] indicates that the number in the title is "3". Librarians are asked to use the title which appears on the title page when creating OCLC records, so it's a good bet that the book (and the ISFDB record) should be titled ''3 Times the Fear''. Also, the titles of the individual novels were not included in the title. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:57, 7 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. I was going off the record on Wikipedia, but clearly OCLC is more authoritative. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:59, 7 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:: I corrected what had been the same issue with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51203 Three Books of Blood], now "3 Books of Blood". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:05, 7 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Since we're going with the OCLC as source, shouldn't the titles of the individual novels also be removed from the title fields? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:10, 8 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::: You're right. Those were left over from whoever entered the data first. I'll remove them. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:17, 8 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Tomorrow and Tomorrow & The Fairy Chessmen'' ==<br />
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Please join in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Padgett.2FKuttner.27s_Tomorrow_and_Tomorrow_and_The_Fairy_Chessmen this discussion] if you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:10, 14 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Cinderella ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?459068 This publication] came up on a clean-up script. It is missing a content record. Also, if it is only credited to Perrault, how can it be credited to him and an uncredited person? Doesn't seem logical to me. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:04, 14 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Perrault's story has been dramatically simplified and "versified" by an uncredited author. It's just not the same story. I'll fix up the content record. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:06, 14 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Publications should reflect the actual credit. (I don't see any credit at all in the image of the publication, unless it's inside.) If it's known to have been altered by another known author, some editors create a variant title record which credits both authors (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1207060 this one].) If both authors are credited, then a variant isn't necessary (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?337623 this record].) If the abridger is not known then it's handled like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1421483 this one]. Usually abridgers are not credited except in the Note field (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1176006 this record].) I'm not sure that any of these approaches have been documented in the Help pages, but it might be a good idea to start a discussion on the Rules & Standards page if you feel there should be a documented standard on how to handle abridged and/or adapted works. In any case, the publication record itself should credit the author(s) as stated in the publication. It's only at that point that an editor determines if its title record should be varianted. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:30, 14 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Dragonshadow'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the maps are credited to "Shelley Shapiro" and not {{A|Shelly Shapiro}} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11289 this publication]? If so, please make it a variant of a record crediting the artist's canonical name. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:26, 16 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: My mistake in reading the signature. I'll correct it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:33, 16 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Loncon 3 ==<br />
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I just wanted to let you know that I was able to catch Jeanne before one of her panels and pass along your greetings, which she seemed pleased to recieve. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:53, 23 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks! I'll have to ask her whether my roundabout greetings came as a surprise :-) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:28, 24 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== 2000 A.D.: Illustrations from the Golden Age of Science Fiction Pulps ==<br />
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I added some notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?243081 this verified pub] (there were none), and changed the cover artist from Virgil Finlay to Brian Miller because of the statement on the backcover. Hope you can agree. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:17, 5 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
: Also added a link to the Amazon cover. ps, the illistration is also signed as "Miller" --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:21, 5 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The People Collection'' ==<br />
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Please add the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288585 this publication] when you get a chance. It's showing up on the clean-up report that finds OMNIBUS titles without contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:05, 6 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Done. Mostly. Can you remind me how we handle a situation? One of the "novels" listed in this collection is "The People: No Different Flesh"; at least the ToC treats it as a novel. Elsewhere, we have it listed as a collection, and SFE specifically refers to it as a collection of linked stories, and NOT as a fixup. Should I list the name of the collection alone, the short stories that make up the collection, or both? The embedded collection has its own ToC, as does the fixup novel "Pilgrimage", but the short stories do NOT have separate title pages. My inclination is to err on the side of more data, but I'm not sure of that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:38, 6 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::We add a single content record for the COLLECTION and then add individual content records for each piece of SHORTFICTION contained within it. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20631 this OMNIBUS], which contains a COLLECTION (of four pieces), a NOVEL, and another COLLECTION (of four pieces). <br />
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::As to the second part of your question, SFE agrees with us that ''Pilgrimage'' is a fixup (thus NOVEL) and ''The People: No Different Flesh'' is a COLLECTION. We don't include contents that make up the first (the fixup NOVEL), but we do include content records of the second (the COLLECTION). Your record will be complete by just adding content records for the COLLECTION. [Sorry about the delay in responding to your response.] [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:37, 19 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: Thanks much! Record updated. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]]<br />
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== Walrus and the Carpenter ==<br />
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You have verified a pub containing {{T|1307540|Walrus and the Carpenter}}. Should this be a variant of {{T|924474|The Walrus and the Carpenter}}? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:18, 13 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: It certainly should! Correction made. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:50, 13 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Suburban Harvest'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?477614 This publication] should be typed as COLLECTION, since it includes only one author's work. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:20, 14 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: As should [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1772304 Leaflet #7]. I knew that, but had a brain fart after (correctly) setting Leaflet #1 to an anthology. Thanks for catching it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Wo ist unsere Welt'' (?) ==<br />
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Hello, Darrah! There seems a question mark to be missing for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?387225 this pub.] (it's probably also missing for the previous publication with Goldmann). I'd also like to add the cover artist Eyke Volkmer (also for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?477897 Geschenk von den Sternen]) and the month of publication (based on the respective publishing schedules of ''Goldmanns Weltraum Taschenbücher'' in those years), if you don't mind. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:44, 14 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: You're absolutely right. I had done a PubUpdate to add some stuff, and hadn't noticed it was missing the "?". I found a cover image for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?387224 first edition], and verified the (grammatically required) question mark, so I updated the title rec and both pub recs. Please go ahead and add the other data as well. It seemed obvious to me that those two books had the same cover artist, but I couldn't identify who it was. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 13:17, 14 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::I only own the pb edition and the credit for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?124122 Eyke Volkmer] is only stated as for the cover design ("Umschlagentwurf: Eyke Volkmer" is printed in the copyright section). The correct credit stems from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1602213 this art book] (= "It Doesn't Look Like That in Outer Space!") where he is also credited for the cover art of ''Goldmanns Zukunftsromane''. I'll add the rspective credits and data. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:33, 14 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::The name Bingenheimer who is credited as translator for ''Wo ist unsere Welt?'' and a few other Goldmann titles rang a bell and I did some research: it does seem that he didn't do the translational work, see the note I added to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1441255 title]. I also deleted the credit from the publication and hope this works for you. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:33, 15 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: Thanks for doing the research on that! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 13:46, 15 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Broken Citadel alter page count to include music score? ==<br />
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"The Broken Citadel" by Joyce Ballou Gregorian {{P|id=BRKNC1983|name=ISBN 0441080995}} includes a music score after the numbered pages.<br />
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Should the pages field be 331+[1] instead of 331 with a note "Music score 'Airs, Ancient and Modern' included after numbered pages? [[User:DStandsh|DStandsh]] 01:44, 29 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:I submitted an edit to this effect. Please excuse my presumption. I'm new to ISFDB and still making lots of blunders.[[User:DStandsh|DStandsh]] 02:15, 29 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::I've been holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?2520957 this submission] for a couple of weeks, knowing you were unavailable. Please look it over and tell me whether to accept it or not. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:44, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::I've released the hold so that you can handle it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:28, 14 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: I agree with the change. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:51, 25 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Gaskell's ''The Serpent'' ==<br />
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I believe [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340882 your verified record] is the same as the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269740 record] earlier verified by Bill Longley. (Except for the pub format: tp vs. pb.)<br />
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Also, it looks like it's time to archive this talk page (three years and 300+ topics!) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:45, 30 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:It's been awhile since I posted it (knowing you were away for a few weeks), so have you had a chance to check out the Gaskell novel? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:47, 19 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:: These are the same book, and I have deleted my version and verified his. My recording it as a "tp" seems to be a result of its larger-than-normal size and an apparent mismeasurement of mine before: I thought it was 4 1/2" wide, and a more careful measurement shows it's 4 7/16". Because it's "almost" a tp, I've added the exact dimensions to the notes. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:27, 25 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Gaskell's The City ==<br />
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I've changed the ISBN and expanded the note's for our mutually verified record for Jane Gaskell's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285052 The City]'' per [[User talk:Rtrace#Jane Gaskell's "The City"|this discussion]]. Please let me know if you disagree with any of the changes I've made. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:56, 4 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: I agree with all of those changes. I've added a note that the correct ISBN is listed on the copyright page. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:33, 25 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Hank & Lesleigh Luttrell ==<br />
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I believe {{T|1528885|Twiltone Rag: Views on Fanzines}} (from your verified pub) should be entered as by {{A|Hank Luttrell}} and {{A|Lesleigh Luttrell}} instead of as by {{A|altName=182831|Hank & Lesleigh Luttrell}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:08, 18 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Especially since they're now divorced :-) Thanks for catching that; it was an automated script entry that I didn't catch at the time. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:53, 25 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Alien to Alien ==<br />
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{{T|1146583|Alien to Alien}} is entered as a shortstory, but it is from a {{P|365157|The Magazine of Speculative Poetry}} (your verified publication). While it's not inconceivable for a poetry magazine to have a shortstory, there is another {{T|1781713|Alien to Alien}} which is listed as a poem. I was wondering if by chance the first should really be a poem and these should be merged? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:23, 20 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Data entry error on my part -- or something weird happened when it got merged with the version in Pitchblende. But it's definitely a poem, and I've corrected and merged them as you suggested. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:14, 25 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Arnason's ''A Woman of the Iron People'' ==<br />
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I've started a discussion [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Arnason.27s_A_Woman_of_the_Iron_People here] that concerns your verified record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:43, 22 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Gate to Women's Country'' ==<br />
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If [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?425686 this] was published in 1993, it can not have included an excerpt from a novel first published in 1996. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:42, 29 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:It's been a couple of weeks, so I thought I'd ask again. I wouldn't bother but it's showing up on an error report which I'd like to clear. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:36, 13 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:: I am unable to locate that paperback. (Too many of my paperbacks are not, currently, organized.) It seems to me that I probably did a clone of another printing, which had the "Gibbon's" excerpt, and neglected to remove it even though this printing did not have it. To be safe, I have removed that content item ''and'' removed the 1993 publication date (and changed the note referring to this). When I locate that book, I'll re-verify it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:45, 15 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== McCaffrey novel ==<br />
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Can you confirm the publisher credit given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?419746 this publication record]? Most sources give it as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?2437 Brandywyne Books]. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:22, 6 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: You are correct. Change made. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:07, 15 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Bug 550: Title variant web page additions discarded silently ==<br />
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I seem to be unable to recreate [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/bugs/550/ Bug 550]. Would you happen to remember the exact sequence of events? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:28, 17 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: I am unable to replicate the error as well, and this time my submission, for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1442517 Teräsluolat], worked correctly. Presumably some other problem was to blame (bad Internet connection? I was on the road using a hotspot). The bug should be closed -- I appear not to have the authority to close or cancel it myself. That now affects Feature Request #740, which may still have some value: In most cases, IMHO web pages should ''not'' be added to most forms of title variants, although they should be able to be added for language variants. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:44, 18 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks for the confirmation! I have closed the Bug report and updated the FR's description.<br />
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:: As far as the substance of the FR goes, there may be various complications and ramifications. For example, if an editor turns a title into a variant of another title, we would need to move the Web pages to the parent titles -- unless the language codes are different. We'll also need to decide what to do if the parent doesn't have a language code assigned. So basically "probably doable, but not trivial". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:17, 18 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: That seems about right. As such, it's probably worth lowering the priority -- another task that I appear not to have the authority to do (or at least can't figure out how), even though I created it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:21, 18 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::: OK, I have changed the priority to 3. As far as privileges go, I don't really understand how they work on SourceForge. They "improved" the interface a couple of years ago and now I have no idea what is going on :-\ [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:34, 18 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I have the same problems with their "improved" interface. I've only recently figured out how to search for "Open tickets containing XXX", which was not intuitive. I can't find any way to search for "Tickets created by Chavey", and of course no way to change a priority once I'm past the ticket creation stage. But now that I'm officially in my 7th decade, I guess I'm officially an "old fart" and would be expected to complain about how those young kids are messing everything up now-a-days :-) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:54, 18 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: I just noticed that you said you changed the priority to "3". Doesn't that raise the priority? I thought "1" was the most crucial priority, and "9" was the least crucial. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:01, 18 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Back when we began using SourceForge, the interface showed 7-9 in red, so 9 was presumably the highest priority. I am not sure the new interface uses the same colors, but that's how it started. Of course, it's all arbitrary, so we could change the convention at any time.<br />
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::::::: As far as age goes, I think Jack Benny had the right idea. Pick an age you are comfortable with and stick with it! :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:48, 18 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Wow! ==<br />
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Wow! Please take it easy and don't overexert yourself! That's a very common mistake that a lot of people make after a heart attack -- I lost a good friend that way many years ago. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:22, 24 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, please concentrate on getting better and do things that are good for you: no stressing, please! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:20, 24 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::My very best wishes for a complete recovery. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 16:34, 24 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::And mine for a speedy recovery as well. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:37, 25 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for the wishes! I'm doing pretty well now, although with very sore arms (catheters, IV's, and blood draws), and with a need to take more naps than usual. Both of my kids, and both of my grandchildren, came home for Thanksgiving, and we had an wonderful, albeit emotional, time together. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:10, 30 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Happy to hear things are looking up! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:29, 30 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Matter: Reading the Bones ==<br />
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Please see the edits by Gzuckier which I have on hold as they impact your verified {{P|67870|Dark Matter: Reading the Bones}}.<br />
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Also, I just saw the above. I hope you are doing better. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:28, 13 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks much! I answered over on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Gzuckier#Dark_Matter:_Reading_the_Bones Gzuckier's page], and I recommend waiting to see if he responds, but eventually rejecting the edit. And fortunately, I am feeling '''much''' better. Still pretty sore, with lots of bruises still recovering, but feeling strong enough that I just got back from two hours of private dance lessons :-) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:10, 14 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::This is the first I've heard of your problems. Sorry to hear you've been down, but glad that you're back on your feet, literally! Keep on dancing, friend! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:26, 14 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Awesome! Wishing you the best. I rejected the content additions, but I did have a question on the story title edits. I left that at Gzuckier's page to keep the conversation together. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:13, 14 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Pinging you again just in case you didn't see the prior one. We still have some open questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Sorry for the delay. Answered over there. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:17, 18 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Vincent Parke and Co.'s ''Works of Jules Verne'' ==<br />
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ISFDB standards would consider this one publication of multi-volumes. So just as we handle box sets containing more than one work, we would create a single publication record (as an OMNIBUS), and enter the contents (NOVELs, SHORTFICTION, etc) all in this single record, using the Note field to explain how the works appear in the separate volumes. This would avoid the problem caused by having SERIALs in books (currently the rules only allow them in periodicals). A few of these records appeared on a couple of cleanup reports because of the way they were entered. I cleaned up one problem (the split of ''The Giant Raft'') but couldn't figure out how to handle the other "serial" of ''The Mysterious Island''. If the ISFDB standards were followed, i.e. creating a single publication record, the errors would be cleared. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:27, 18 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Six of the volumes had already been entered as separate works, so I continued that process with the other volumes. But I also would prefer to see the whole thing done as a single Omnibus, so I'll gladly [sort of :-) ] go back and correct that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:39, 18 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:: Done. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:28, 27 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Ursula K. Le Guin's "Another Story or a Fisherman of the Inland Sea": shortstory or novelette? ==<br />
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Hi. Could you please check if the story [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?231031 Another Story or a Fisherman of the Inland Sea] in your primary verified collection [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?114651 A Fisherman of the Inland Sea] is really a ''shortstory''? I ask because I found [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1735085 this other record of "Another Story or a Fisherman of the Inland Sea"] which is a ''novelette''. These two records should probably be merged because they the look like they are the same title. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 22:26, 23 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I just saw that the parent title of "Another Story or a Fisherman of the Inland Sea", [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?53430 Another Story] is a ''novelette'' as well, therefore I guess that would be the correct story length for "Another Story or a Fisherman of the Inland Sea" [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 09:01, 24 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Counting words on 3 random pages gave me an average of 363 words per page, for just under 44 pages. That's 15,900 words, hence a novelette. Also, nominated for four awards as a novelette. As a Primary3 verifier, I was not the one who set that to "Short Story", so I'm glad you found that error. I corrected it to a novelette, and merged the two titles (the short story version and the novelette version.) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:49, 27 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== French anthologies ==<br />
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Hello, you've created two anthologies of the "Livre d'or" series. Note that all the titles in the Doémieux are listed as being in English and that, in both cases, the french capitalization rules are not respected (capitals and hard space before "?") . There is also likely a lot of merging and title date determination to do. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:12, 25 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Conversation moved to Hauk's page. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:55, 27 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Bold Strokes Books ==<br />
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Fixer knows of 124 missing ISBNs published by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4654 Bold Strokes Books], which [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bold_Strokes_Books specializes in lesbian fiction]. Would you be interested in working on them? I try to enter books by (relatively) established Bold Strokes authors when I process Fixer's monthly runs, but I don't have the bandwidth to handle unknown-to-ISFDB authors :( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:59, 1 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Sure, I can do that. I have a couple of friends who are SF fans and also read lots of lesbian fiction (a local LGBT bookstore is staffed by a long-time SF fan), so I can do a first pass through them. Go ahead and send me the ISBNs, either here or by email. (Either would probably be better than dropping them on the moderator Submissions" list.) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:46, 3 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: Great, thanks! I can send you a detailed list of ISBNs, e.g.:<br />
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Price: $15.95 Pages: 272 ISBN: 1602820023 / 9781602820029<br />
Publisher: Bold Strokes Books Date: 2008-01-02 Binding: Paperback<br />
Pub: American Goth<br />
Authors: J. D. Glass<br />
URL: http: //ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Vr7npGKXL.jpg<br />
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:: Alternatively, I could create standard submissions and post a note on the Moderator Noticeboard asking moderators to ignore Bold Strokes submissions since you would be working on them. Which approach do you prefer? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:00, 3 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Why don't you just send me the list via email, and I'll work on them that way. I'm pretty good at running scripts on data like that, both to look them up and to enter them, if they turn out to be spec fic. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:10, 3 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: The paperback ISBNs are on their merry way. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:48, 3 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Got em! I'll start to work on them next week, after I get caught up on some other pressing things (like reading for the Tiptree award). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:59, 4 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Sounds like a plan :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 01:18, 4 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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(unindent) After thinking about it some more, I realized that it may not have been such a good idea after all. If you determine that some ISBNs are not SF and discard them, Fixer will have no way of knowing that the ISBNs have been processed and will eventually submit them again. I guess once you finish massaging the data, I will compare the newly added ISBNs with the list that I sent you via e-mail and correct any discrepancies in Fixer's database manually. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:36, 11 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Stokes eds. of ''The Secret Garden'' ==<br />
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Can you check to see if your copy of this is correctly credited to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?41250+1911 Frederick A. Stokes] or the more common usage in the database [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6965 Frederick A. Stokes Company]? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:59, 8 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I'm away from home for a week, but I'll check when I get back. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:39, 9 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Bug 760 - Synopsis field for Chapterbooks should be shaded out ==<br />
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I seem to be unable to recreate [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/feature-requests/760/ Bug 760]. The only way I can do it is by choosing a different "Add [pub type]" option and then changing the pub type in the drop-down list. Is that what you had in mind? If so, then keep in mind that there is an outstanding request to remove the "Pub Type" drop-down list. The reason it was originally needed was to support non-genre novels, which, of course, are handled differently now. Once that request has been implemented, the issue should go away. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:57, 9 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#PubType_in_NewPub_made_non-editable Done!] [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:13, 14 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:48, 14 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Luna Monthly, March 1970 ==<br />
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Please check the unlinked reviews in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?498950 this publication]. At least one of them ("The Adventures of Phoebe Zeit Geist") is a book of comic strips and the record should be changed to ESSAY. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:19, 20 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: During the next couple of weeks (I suspect), I'm going to slowly be entering the contents for about half the issues of "Luna Monthly". (I've entered basic data for all 68 publications, and own about half of them.) After I enter them, there will often be another stage of correcting reviews that don't automatically link to something we have. So these will be showing up on the nightly report. But I will be doing that resolution step as well, albeit also slowly. Thanks for letting me know about that this one was all comic strips -- that wasn't obvious from the review. I'll change it to an essay, and keep plugging away. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:35, 20 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I was hoping that eventually someone would acquire copies of this important fanzine. There was an auction on eBay awhile back which offered almost the entire run and I was tempted to bid, but let it slip away. Thanks for taking on the task. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:06, 21 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Glad to be of help :-) Sorry I missed that auction before, but I'm piecing together a collection. So far I have 37 of the 67 issues. Since it was edited by a woman (Ann Dietz), it's a natural for my collection of works by women authors. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:28, 22 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Forerunner Foray ==<br />
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Hello, I've changed the artist from Ladd to Siudmak and modified the notes accordingly for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?320870 your verified pub].[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:04, 23 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Feminine Future ==<br />
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FYI, Fixer has added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500138 ''The Feminine Future: Early Science Fiction by Women Writers''], but there are no details at this time since Amazon lists only 4 of the 14 stories. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:25, 26 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks! I can't find the full table of contents anywhere on the Internet. But I now have the book on pre-order, and I'll add the contents when it shows up. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:43, 28 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: Excellent! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:00, 28 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Review linked to CHAPTERBOOK ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1817396 This review] probably should have been linked to the SHORTFICTION record and not the CHAPTERBOOK record. Exceptions can be made for picture books in which both the art and the story are reviewed. If a review is only of the story, as I suspect this is, it should be linked to the SHORTFICTION record. (This appears on a cleanup report which finds REVIEWs linked to uncommon title types.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:52, 26 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for catching that - it certainly is a review of just the fiction. Corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:37, 26 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Dating of reviews ==<br />
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I've noticed that you're entering the dates of reviews based on the date of the reviewed work. It's ISFDB policy to date title records the date of their first publication. Since these are the first publications of the reviews they should be dated the same as the publication in which they appear. For example, all of the reviews in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?498971 this publication] should be dated 1972-01, unless there's an indication that the review is a reprint. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:22, 27 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks, I seem to have forgotten that policy. I'll fix it up. There are a couple of Luna Monthly reviews that were reprinted from elsewhere, so I'll have to check on the dates of those "elsewhere" appearances. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:13, 28 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: I was mistaken about some reviews being reprints -- apparently I can't remember where I saw that recently. But the dates on the reviews entered for Luna Monthly so far have all been corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:39, 29 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Reviews removed from a publication ==<br />
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There are three orphaned reviews showing up on the summary page for {{A|Joyce Post}}. If these were removed from a publication record for legitimate reasons, they should have also been deleted from the database. Since the other reviews were from ''Luna Monthly'', I'm assuming you may have entered them and then removed them from the record. If they actually appear in the publication, there should be records for them, even if you determine that the titles are non-genre. In that case you remove them, delete them, and add an ESSAY-typed record for each of the reviews. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:28, 27 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: You assume correctly, and I forgot that those reviews created a title record that needed to be deleted. All of the "kid's books" reviews appeared in a column titled [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1817389 Lilliputia]. So for the reviews of non-genre work, I've included a note about those reviews in the Essay record for the column. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:18, 28 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Minor changes to Dawn's Awakening ==<br />
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I've made some minor changes to your verified copy of {{P|297340|Dawn's Awakening}}. Mostly I've added to the Notes with more information about what is on the copyright page, but I've also added an excerpt from Mercury's War to the contents. Working from 1st printing borrowed from public library. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 03:51, 31 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I never bother putting those excerpts in the contents. In the same way that I don't put in data about advertising pages at the end of a book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:52, 31 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Kith ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500925 This record] has an ISBN-10 which is anomalous for a 2010 publication. Also, there is no source for the data provided, but I can assume it's not from OCLC which gives the page count as 111 and the ISBN-13 as 9780439855662. Also the first edition of the work was published in hardcover on 2009-10-01 according to Amazon. That should be the date of the title record. One last thing: it's a graphic novel and should be entered as a CHAPTERBOOK with a shortfiction content record for the story. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:37, 2 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I had based my entry format on the other book in the series that had already been listed. (I was filling out the sequence.) Calling it a Chapterbook makes much more sense. Other errors corrected as well, and I'll go back and fix up the other 2 graphic novels in that series. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:53, 2 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I've corrected the page count to match the OCLC record. OCLC uses the same method we use to determine the page count. Amazon's page counts are from publishers, most of whom count the number of sheets in the book (even those that aren't printed) multiplied by four. (A sheet is folded in half, creating four pages.) That's why most of Amazon's page counts are in multiples of four. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:03, 2 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Thanks. I think I corrected one of them based on the WorldCat page count, but I suspect the other two still had the Amazon page count -- which I generally don't trust (for your reasons). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:10, 2 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "In the Land of the Unblind", by Judith Merril ==<br />
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While verifying [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503109 a book of mine] that contained [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?50845 "In the Land of Unblind"], I noticed that it was a poem, and not the "Short Fiction" that we currently have it listed as. I checked it with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35819 another book] I have that contains that title, and verified that it was a poem there as well. An essay in [http://www.philsp.com/articles/pastmasters_15.html Galactic Central] refers to it as a poem, and Judith Merril's daughter lists it as a poem in her [https://books.google.com/books?id=5DtnxXdAw9IC&pg=PA271&lpg=PA271&dq=&quot;In+the+Land+of+Unblind&quot; bibliography] of Merril's work. So unless someone knows a reason otherwise, I'll be changing that work to a poem in a couple of days. Since this affects a content item in 7 different verified publications, I am asking those verifiers to post any comments about this change here, instead of at the notice on their page. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:27, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree with the change. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:34, 15 February 2015 (UTC). <br />
::No problem for me even if, in some cases, some New Wave texts are hard to pigeonhole. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:30, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: I'll agree with Hauck on that :-) . Which is why I suspect it got past so many of us for so long. It was only when I was looking at the German translation that I realized it was a poem, and hence did the research to verify. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:41, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I have a remark (or two) on this book: 1) I personally would drop 'Stories' from the title, it is really just a subtitle to make a difference to novels, marking it as a COLLECTION (just as 'Roman'=NOVEL in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410908 this case] or STORIES [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?490924 here]). 2) As in the examples for the previous item the size appears to be typical for a german paperback, and doesn't differ from other publications in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?452 series] so shouldn't it be categorized as PB? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:34, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: You're certainly right about the size; I just erred there. Personally, I'd rather keep the "Stories" to make the distinction between the short story "Töchter der Erde" and the collection "Töchter der Erde Stories". But a little research shows that there are no other German titles in the system that keep that word in the title, so I will bow to the default standard and change the title. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:50, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::It's structured like a poem, but a quote signed JM, presumably by Judith Merrill in the introduction to the story (FSF, 10/1974) says '''"Do not call it a poem."''' Edward Ferman in the same introduction also calls it a story, and listed it in the index as a "short story."--[[User:Rkihara|Rkihara]] 17:11, 16 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Sorry. I missed this conversation and when the German version came up on a cleanup report as a title mismatch, I changed it to match the English version. If the consensus believes it's a poem, please change it back. In any case, they should agree. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:22, 16 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::For what it's worth, [http://repository.tamu.edu/bitstream/handle/1969.1/92230/JUDITH%20MERRIL-PDF-Sep23-07.pdf this 2006 bibliography] lists the work under poems. Typing prose poems for the ISFDB sucks big time. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:42, 16 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Looks like someone did a 'mass-change' already as I don't leave contents as 'shortfiction' except for excerpts and in both the books I've verified this title is the only one listed that way. To the proposed change, if the author says it's not a poem, why should we make it one? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 20:12, 16 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Where the Ni-Lach Author ==<br />
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Chavey, I'm looking at what I think is the Canadian edition of {{P|id=WHRTHNLCHM1983|Where the Ni-Lach Author}}. While on the copyright page the author is given as "Marcia J. Bennett", the cover and title page has "M. J. Bennett". Is yours the same? I had thought that the title page version of the author is the one to use, possibly creating a pseudonym. Am I mistaken? Thanks, [[User:DStandsh|DStandsh]] 01:25, 19 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: You are absolutely correct! I verified this 4 years ago, and clearly didn't understand the details yet. I have corrected that publication to be a variant of the canonical title, and set "M. J. Bennett" as a pseudonym for Marcia. Thanks for catching that! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:32, 19 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks Chavey. [[User:DStandsh|DStandsh]] 04:37, 19 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Volusek" or "Valusek" ==<br />
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Can you confirm the interiorart credit in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38033 this publication]? We have several records for this same work credited to "Valusek" in the db. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:13, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Just a reminder or if you overlooked this post. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:36, 12 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Old Flesh Song" - "Ini" or "Ibi" ==<br />
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Can you confirm the author credit for the story on page 150 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?67870 this publication]? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:07, 21 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Typo. Corrected to "Ibi". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:28, 21 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking ISFDB records to SFE3 images ==<br />
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Please join in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ahasuerus#Invalid_SFE3_cover_image_links this discussion] when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:25, 25 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Mammoth Book of SF Stories by Women'' ==<br />
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Hello, Darrah! Thanks for the work on the Perry Rhodan links. I have answered to the problem on Ahasuerus' talk page.<br />
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I'd think I also own the American edition of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?486288 anthology], at least it has the American & Canadian prices on its back. However 'my' cover image corresponds to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?471873 British edition]: the authors are mentioned on the cover in that order. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:27, 27 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: You're right! I hadn't noticed the difference in the ordering of the authors, but my copy also has Karen Joy Fowler second. [And since she's my boss right now, I'd better make sure I give her the proper priority :-) ]. I wonder how Amazon got a photo with the other order of authors? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:34, 27 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I do wonder if there's really any difference between the continents: since the book was printed in the EU and I obtained my copy in a german bookshop that mostly has British editions in its foreign language department & Robinson is printed on its copyright page, it might have been published exactly the same over here - just with an British or Euro (as in my case) price sticker. All that considered: shouldn't the publishers be unified to something like Running Press / Robinson? What do you think? <br />
::I added the xiii extra pages. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:15, 27 February 2015 (UTC) Thanks, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 10:09, 27 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: It shouldn't be listed as "Running Press / Robinson", because that's the format used for an imprint of Robinson, which isn't what's happening here. We have lots of other examples where two publishing countries in the US & UK are working together on a release -- but they're still distinguishable by where they were printed, so we use the company appropriate for that release. The US/Canadian edition should be listed as from Running Press, and the UK edition as from Robinson. If you want, you could add publication notes that these editions are essentially equivalent, but even that isn't necessary. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 10:09, 27 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Aurora, Summer 1984 or 1985 ==<br />
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Can you determine if [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289788 this record] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395654 your verified record] are for the same publication? They have different editors and slightly different publishers, but appear to be for the same issue. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: And has an article by me, listed in the contents of the verified record, and in the notes of the unverified record. Whoever entered that record was correct about the error for the date on the cover; there are references inside that clearly show it was produced in 1985, and my memory of working on the Evangeline Walton article also places it clearly after 1984. That person entered Jeanne Gomoll as the editor, and while Jeanne did most of the work on the issue (IMHO), Diane Martin was officially listed as the editor (as is confirmed by the [http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/janus/aurora SF-Encyclopedia]). I'll correct the date on the verified Aurora issue, and I'll grab the comment about the theme for the issue, but the editor and publisher are listed correctly in the existing record and are incorrect in the unverified issue. Unless you see any remaining concerns, one of us should then delete the unverified issue. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:53, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Once you've transferred any data you might need, feel free to delete the unverified record. Don't forget to change the date field of the publication and the dates of its contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:55, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Thanks for the reminder -- I changed the date on the pub and title, but forgot to do so on the contents. I'll do that now. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:57, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== T Cooper ==<br />
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Earlier today I merged "T Cooper" and "T. Cooper" before discovering that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?438177 one of the pubs] had been verified by you. It would appear that this author meets the Help criteria for "period-free initials": "when it is clearly the author's choice to omit the period, or when the author has a single letter name that is not an initial (e.g. "Harry S Truman") the period should be omitted". Would you agree? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:14, 5 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: You're absolutely right, although I hadn't noticed it before. His web page makes it pretty clear that "T Cooper" is the only way to spell it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:19, 5 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks for checking! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:55, 5 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "McHendry" or "McKendry" ==<br />
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Can you confirm the cover art credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39181 this publication record]? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:38, 12 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Just a reminder to see if you've had time to check this. Appreciate it if you would. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:00, 13 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: That's how it's spelled on the dj flap. The style is certainly very much like that of [http://www.kennymckendry.com/portraits.htm Kenny McKendry], hence he may be a typo. McKendry's web site does not mention a "McHendry" misspelling, nor does it show that particular piece of artwork. And the [http://www.namespedia.com/details/Mchendry Names Encyclopedia] does list McHendry as a valid surname, with at least 164 occurrences. But it would be quite a coincidence to have two artists with such similar names and similar portrait styles. If you want to ask him, Kenny McKendry's email address is: kennymckendry@googlemail.com; I cannot find any appearance of "Kenny McHendry" online other than references to this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:25, 13 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Map in Children of Hastur ==<br />
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Please join in [[User talk:Rtrace#Map in The Heritage of Hastur|this discussion]] regarding the map in ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250651 Children of Hastur]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:39, 12 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Het Geboortegraf ==<br />
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Can you check your copy of "Het Geboortegraf" from Tanith Lee. I've got a different date of the second print mine is in juli 1985.~Thank you. [[User:Wjmvanruth|Wjmvanruth]] 09:42, 12 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== De Rode Zon ==<br />
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I updated this record I also put an image on the record. [[User:Wjmvanruth|Wjmvanruth]] 20:53, 14 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "A Day in Fairyland" ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507925 This CHAPBOOK] requires a SHORTFICTION content record, as does the other publication under this title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:10, 24 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Sorry. Corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:26, 24 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Great Britain ==<br />
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Great Britain is the name of an island, not a country. It is a geographic name for part of the nation officially known as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which we abbreviate as "UK" for ISFDB purposes. "Great Britain" shouldn't be considered a birth place based on the ISFDB standard: "City, Administrative division, Country". England is a country which is part of the UK, thus we indicate "England, UK" for those persons born there after 1707. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:01, 1 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Never mind. I see that the country was officially "Great Britain" between 1707 and 1800. Now I understand you're only changing those who were born there during that period. Sorry for the intrusive, and unnecessary, history/geography lesson. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:07, 1 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: S'alright. And I'm sure there will be lots of editors who attempt to "correct" the "Great Britain". Wikipedia says it was "The Kingdom of Great Britain, officially Great Britain", so it's tempting to put these authors as being in "Kingdom of Great Britain", because that would make it less likely to suffer from the misunderstanding you just had. "Great Britain" appears to be more technically correct, though. What do you think? "Kingdom" or not? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:10, 1 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I think you're correct that it may cause a little confusion, since the term is now used only for the island and not as a country. Adding "Kingdom" might mitigate the confusion, but no one can argue about it being officially just Great Britain for that century (at least according to Wikipedia). Doing a quick search I see there are about a dozen or so that are entered as "Kingdom of Great Britain". And all in Scotland. Strange that no English authors have been assigned to "Kingdom of Great Britain". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:12, 1 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Those were all my changes from yesterday, based on the third paragraph of Wikipedia's article on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland Scotland]. It refers to the Kingdom of Scotland merging with England to form the "Kingdom of Great Britain". I also realized the conflict between what I did there and what I did with England's side of Great Britain, but I decided not to change either one until I got your opinion. I've also concluded that "Great Britain" isn't enough; it should be either "England, Great Britain" or else "England, Kingdom of Great Britain", and Scotland during those years should have the same format. Changing to "England, Great Britain" will probably also reduce the possibilities of misunderstanding the role of "Great Britain" in that location phrase. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:24, 1 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::That works for me, and, more importantly, falls in with the ISFDB standards. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:56, 1 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Double Vision ==<br />
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Your verified {{P|360624|The Anastasia Syndrome and Other Stories}} contains {{T|1827214|Double Vision}} as a shortstory. There is also {{T|653977|Double Vision}} as a novelette. Would you mind double checking the size on yours and seeing if these should be merged as a novelette or if it is abridged, add a note to your title record?<br />
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Also, did you ever get a change to look into [[User talk:Chavey#A Matter of Seggri|A Matter of Seggri]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:49, 5 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I'm out of town for the week, but I'll check on those books when I get back, early next week. (Playing with the grand-children all week :-) )[[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:52, 7 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== To UK or not to UK? ==<br />
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Just to let you know I have started a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#To_UK_or_not_to_UK.3F discussion] with Dirk re: this issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:41, 7 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Des Geschlecht der Magier'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm the cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436242 this publication]? I'm thinking it may be the same artist {{A|Enric}} whose full name is "Enric Torres-Prat" and occasionally credited as "Enrich". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:35, 13 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Never mind. Another user has made him into a pseudonym and varianted the record, so the question is moot. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:28, 20 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Bryan or Brian Boylan ==<br />
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Can you confirm the credit for the cover art in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411663 this record]? The same cover art is credited to "Brian Boylan" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35728 the English edition]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:50, 14 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:It's been a week and I was hoping you'd be able to respond by now. There's also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chavey#.22McHendry.22_or_.22McKendry.22 another post] which has been awaiting a response for more than a month. Hope everything is going well and that you've just been too busy to answer. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:22, 23 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Cast in Courtlight, Michelle Sagara ==<br />
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I've made some changes to your verified copy of {{P|337972|Cast in Courtlight}} (mass-market paperback edition). Mostly additions to Notes about what is on copyright page, more about the ad that suggests early printing, and more contents. Also found a source for the cover artist, so I added that and put the source in the Notes. Added an excerpt of "Cast in Secret" to the contents. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 20:00, 22 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Unlinked reviews ==<br />
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Two reviews in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?318363 this publication] didn't link to the titles because the authors didn't match the titles. I know each of them edited the selection of the other, but the ISFDB records for COLLECTION-typed records only credit the author and not the editor. That's why the reviews didn't link to their respective titles. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:24, 24 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, it's been a week and you haven't responded so I went ahead and corrected the author credit of these reviewed titles and linked them to the title records. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:23, 1 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Yearnings #1 ==<br />
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"Jane Fancher" came up on the clean-up report which finds titles assigned to pseudonyms and all four appear in the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?511969 this publication]. I would have normally gone ahead and made the variants, but saw there were a few more concerns about the publication record. <br />
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* Multiple INTERIORART records which illustrate the same work and are by the same artist should be disambiguated with squared brackets ''after the first one''. The purpose of disambiguation is to prevent the merging of identically titled records credited to the same person. I can see two instances in this record that needs disambiguation. The first case is the two illustrations by Fancher for "The Siege of Suncliff Island", on pages 44 and 52. The first work would just be titled "The Siege of Suncliff Island" while the second one would be titled "The Siege of Suncliff Island [2]". In the next case, there are two works by Wendy Pini with the same title ("Yearnings") so the second will have to be disambiguated with "[2]". The parenthetical disambiguation of the other titles should be removed.<br />
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* Some of the stories have starting pages which follow the page on which an illustration appears, for example: the first illustration for "The Siege of Suncliff Island" is on page 40 and the story starts on page 41. According to ISFDB standards (documented in the Page subsection of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#General_contents this help page]), the story should be given as starting on page 40.<br />
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::''Exception for works which have illustrations preceding their title pages - If a magazine presents artwork for a story or essay preceding the piece's title page, and it is apparent that the art accompanies the text, the starting page of the story or essay should be the page number of the artwork which illustrates it. ''<br />
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* The use of decimals in the page numbers given for the works on pages 61, 91, 94, and 96 is not standard. If you wish to sort multiple works published on the same page you can use the "pipe method" as explained in the same subsection linked to the help page above. So the four works on page 61 would be entered as "61|61.1", "61|61.2", etc. That way the four works would then be displayed as appearing on page 61 but in the order in which they appear on the page.<br />
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One last thing: I believe Arlan Keith Andrews (author of the poem on page 96) is {{A|Arlan Andrews}}, and will need to be pseudonymed and varianted. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:05, 24 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Found something else: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1848846 this work] is credited to a single author "Betty Cerritelli & Debra Vorgias". It should be credited to two separate authors. The same may be true of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1848852 this work], but I have no idea if "The Daystar & The Black Mountain Holt" may be one person or two. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:10, 24 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:If you haven't responded in the next day or so, I'll make the corrections based on the ISFDB standards. I see you continue to edit but you haven't responded to messages on your talk page for more than a month. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:27, 1 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover art credit found ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411664 this publication]: This anthology reproduces the cover art from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62281 this issue of If], which credits Rick Sternbach as the artist. I've updated the credit on your verified record and gave the source for it in the Note field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:29, 29 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== 3rd Ian McDonald ==<br />
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The "Ian McDonald" who wrote "Pot O'Rice Hortowitz's House of Solace" (1991) in Whispers From the Cotton Tree Root is neither the Ian McDonald (born 1960) the story is listed under, nor the 2nd Ian McDonald (born 1946) but actually a THIRD Ian McDonald born April 18, 1933 in Trinidad (info from his Wikipedia page)<br />
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: Thank you for correcting that. This story isn't listed with him on his Wikipedia page, but I independently verified that you're correct about this attribution. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:30, 13 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Thief & The Roller Derby Queen ==<br />
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Would you mind checking that {{T|457991|The Thief & The Roller Derby Queen}} in your verified <i>The Chick is in the Mail</i> has an ampersand (as listed) vs. an "and"? There is {{T|332141|another entry}} with an "and" and I figure I'd double check before varianting. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:58, 4 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: In the ToC, it's listed with the word "and", but at the story title page itself, it's listed as "&", and of course that takes priority. I would hazard a guess that the hc edition has the same status, which means that record should be changed. (No one has verified that, so there's no one to ask, and Amazon's Look Inside feature for the hc book switches to the pb edition.) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:17, 13 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, thanks for checking. The hc has been updated and the two records varianted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:09, 15 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?181357 The Fiction of James Tiptree, Jr.] ==<br />
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Hello, Darrah! I'd like to propose some changes for this volume: 1) ''Tiptree Revealed'' is not credited in my copy (it seems it should be varianted to Charles N. Brown); 2) It's ''Author's Afterword'' by Dozois; 3) I'll add some notes for the copyrights. Would this be okay? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:42, 7 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== I'm back to work ==<br />
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My apologies for being out of touch for the last couple of weeks. Annoying how one's job can get in the way of your hobby. But I'll be responding to questions asked here on my talk page during the next 24 hours or so. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:17, 12 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Welcome back! As it happens, a few of the editors who asked you questions are currently unavailable themselves :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:04, 12 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Worlds Apart ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55401 this publication]: Can you confirm the cover art credit is Lawrence and not {{A|Laurence Cutting}}? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:06, 16 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: The dust jacket reads: "Wrapper by Lawrence Cutting", and he is credited nowhere else in the book. The style of this cover is, however, very much in the style of "Laurence Cutting". They were both doing work for British publishers; Laurence was a professional photographer, and his covers that we have are modified from photos, as is the cover of "Worlds Apart". It seems quite likely to me that this is a misspelling, but I can find no evidence stronger that "likely". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:27, 18 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Triton ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117281 this book.] Cover art is by Tony Roberts. Credited in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273410 this book]. Record amended accordingly and replaced cover with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:05, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Padgett's Tomorrow and Tomorrow and The Fairy Chessmen ==<br />
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Please see [[User talk:Rtrace#Padgett Changes|this discussion]]. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:56, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Christmas Carol'' dramatization ==<br />
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I added the missing SHORTFICTION content to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516132 this publication]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:16, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you. I thought I had done that, but obviously not. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:24, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== I signori delle stelle ==<br />
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I found the ISBN for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383238 I signori delle stelle] Can You verify it? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 13:11, 25 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Added a date ==<br />
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I added the month of the date to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?224801].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 22:51, 25 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Legal names ==<br />
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When you get a chance, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Six_authors_with_murky_legal_names this section of the Community Portal]? (I am leaving this message on the Talk pages of the editors who I believe are interested in internationalization issues.) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:05, 28 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Vrouw 2000 ==<br />
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I'll be verifying my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?422835 this book] one of these days. In the notes you state "Copyright page includes the code "D 1979/0265/306", whose meaning (other than the publication year) the verifier does not understand". The code is explained [http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depotnummer here], in Dutch of course. In short, the structure of the code is D/JJJJ/XXXX/YY, and is mandatory for anything published in or about Belgium. The D stands for "wettelijk depot" or "dépot legal", JJJJ is the year of publication, XXXX is the code given to the publisher by the Royal Library of Belgium, and YY is the serial number of the publication (for this publisher, in the year of publication). Thus D 1979/0265/306 means this is the 306th publication by "Het Spectrum" in 1979. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 18:04, 28 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks! The additional material after the publication year doesn't seem relevant to us, but feel free to either clarify that in the notes or delete it, as you think appropriate. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:43, 28 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I adapted and added to the notes. Also uploaded a coverscan (unfortunately the spine of my copy is rather bleached), normalised the capitalisation and changed the pagecount from 227 to 230, the last printed pagenumber. Hope you can agree. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:31, 30 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== De Strijd om het Licht ==<br />
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I added some notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?356052 this verified pub]. Also changed the number of pages from 319 to 320 (the last printed number) and uploaded a coverscan. Hope you can agree. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 20:29, 4 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Judith Merril - The Best of Sci-Fi 12 ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282645 this book]. Cover art is by Josh Kirby. Listed in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19064 Cosmic Cornucopia] and on this [http://ansible.uk/misc/joshlist.html webpage]. Record ameded accordingly. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 19:26, 5 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== SFem ==<br />
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I added coverscans and some notes to your verifications in this series, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426155 De Vrouw-man], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?356017 Margaret en Ik] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?422834 De Tijd van de Jeneverbes]. Also changed the publication date of "Margaret en Ik" from 1982 to 1981 (No idea where "De Boekenplank" got 1982. Fandata has 1981 and is generally more reliable), and deleted the note "Shares cover and ISBN with the tp edition." from "De Tijd van de Jeneverbes", there was no tp edition. Hope you can agree. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 19:59, 5 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Nebula Award Stories 11 ==<br />
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Cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196941 this book] is by Angus McKie credited on page 41 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273276 this book]. Record amended accordingly. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:51, 6 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Submission in queue ... ==<br />
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... concerning one of your verified publications (a Polish one by Tiptree), Darrah. Just thought it'd be better if you handle it directly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:55, 10 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. I approved it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:34, 10 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dolphins of Pern ==<br />
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In http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?333170 you state slight cover variants to the choosen one. I uploaded [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/4/41/THDLPHNSFJ0000.jpg] of 14th printing which has also non-gold colored author name. If this equals you printing, it's probably a good idea to switch the image there also. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] 13:52, 21 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks much! Your cover is, in fact, identical to that of the 13th printing, so I just substituted in a link to that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== World's End ==<br />
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Monogram initials FJG are those of Fred Gambino in relation to the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262268 this book]. Record amended accordingly. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 18:52, 9 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks much! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:34, 9 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Herland" ==<br />
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When you turned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?18132 this title] into SHORTFICTION, you made 20 publications show up on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/cleanup_report.cgi?52 an error report]. To fix the problem, you'll have to change all of those NOVEL records into CHAPBOOK, add a CHAPBOOK record to each publication record, and then merge the CHAPBOOK records into one. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:45, 22 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I just downloaded the version on Project Gutenberg, and the word count of 53K makes it a novel. So I changed the type back to NOVEL which will save you a lot of work. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:56, 22 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you, and my apologies. In retrospect, I'm not sure why I thought it was a novella. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:34, 22 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I use the 100-page threshold as a guideline. Anything more than that I don't usually bother about checking the word count and just take for granted that it's a novel. Of course, font size and margins play a big factor as well. The average page count for standalone publications of this work are well above the 100-page threshold. <br />
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::I see that you removed the "Complete Novel" serialization of the hardcover annual of the periodical and replaced it with the individual parts. That makes for very unusual display under the title. If you consider this a reprinting of the various parts (which it technically is), then you should adjust the note about it being a book publication of the work. All sources acknowledge that the novel wasn't published in book form until 1979. Following the ISFDB standard which states that a novel's publication date should be that of its first book publication and not its serialization in a periodical (with which I strongly disagree, but begrudgingly follow), the date of the title should be changed to 1979. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:06, 22 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Sandra or Sandro ==<br />
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Can you confirm the credit for the introduction in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503491 this publication]? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:21, 22 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: My mistake. "Sandro". Corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:51, 23 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Coldest Girl in Coldtown'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm the publisher as given on the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423762 this publication]? According to most sources it's just "Little, Brown". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:42, 30 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I'm currently unable to find this book. When I find it, I'll come back to this question. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:41, 11 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mutant Weapon vs. Med Service ==<br />
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Please see [[ISFDB:Community Portal#The Mutant Weapon vs. Med_Service]] as a primary verifier of {{P|29135|Science Fiction Showcase}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:47, 3 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== CHAPBOOK without content ==<br />
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Please add the required SHORTIFICTION content to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?530388 this CHAPBOOK record]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:31, 6 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Done. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 13:21, 6 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::A play is not a novelette, but simply entered as SHORTFICTION without length. (Just as we do excerpts.) I've removed the length. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:29, 6 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: It inherited that when I merged it with the existing SHORTFICTION record for Macbeth, but I suspect the error there was an earlier error on my part when I entered the first four folios. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1426613 Hamlet] is also listed as a novella -- I assume that should be changed as well? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:52, 6 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Black Swan, White Raven ==<br />
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I have changed my verification to transient for {{P||Black Swan, White Raven}}. You may wish to switch your Primary2 verification to Primary1. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:05, 9 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:54, 11 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Born to Exile ==<br />
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[[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] has [[User talk:Rtrace#Born to Exile|asked me]] to add individual titles for the Fabian artwork in our mutually verified publication, Eisenstein's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?238369 Born to Exile]''. Do you have any objections if I do so? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:30, 11 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: No problem! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:53, 11 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Love and War ==<br />
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You verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?320287 Love and War], illustrated by Stephen Fabian. I would be grateful if you would enter the individual illustrations. Several appear in later art books, and I would like to match them to their originals. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:10, 18 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Halfling and Other Stories ==<br />
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User Horzel found the artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41209 this pub] [http://www.catalogovegetti.com/catalogo/E0307.htm#SA008 here]. I added the credit and notes. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 19:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool! Thanks! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:37, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== 2000 A.D. ==<br />
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I'd like to add titles for the artwork in Sadoul's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?243081 2000 A.D.]'' provided you have no objection. It will probably take me some little while to get through them all. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:08, 16 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: No problem! Go ahead. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 12:27, 16 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Default display of non-English translations ==<br />
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When you get a chance, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Followup_to_Translations_not_shown_on_author_page_when_not_logged_in this discussion]? The proposal basically boils down to changing the behavior of the Summary Bibliography when the viewing user is not logged in. Currently only English translations are displayed for unauthenticated users. The proposal would change it to displaying ''all'' translations. The downside is that the Summary page could get longer and harder to navigate.<br />
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I am trying to get a sense of how widespread the support for this change is. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 01:03, 20 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== NFF, November 1946 ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?463494 this publication]: For periodicals, the Page Count field should give the total number of pages, including the covers, as a single figure. (The ISFDB standard for determining the page count differs for magazines and books.) It appears that this record gives the pagination and not the page count. Also, "Dunk" should be made into a pseudonym if a variant is created for it. (That's what brought this record to my attention, because it appeared on a clean-up report.) One last thing, if the data is from another source, it's not clear why it's been primary verified. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 08:18, 27 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Sorry about the pseudonym; I thought I'd set it. But I'm glad it led to correcting the pagination. Most of the early issues that I'm entering are unnumbered, but some of the later issues are paginated, and I'll remember to use the standard pagination. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Allan Chen or Allen Chen ==<br />
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Can you confirm the credit for the letter on page 57 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404280 this issue of Janus]. There are letters in previous issues as by "Allan Chen". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:05, 7 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: That is definitely how the names are spelled in those three issues (#8, 9, & 11). They all have the same address, hence are clearly the same person. I've emailed the editor to see if she knows which is the correct spelling. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:47, 8 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: In addition to 2 appearances in Janus as "Allan", I also found him (with the same address) in an issue of Tightbeam as "Allan", so that is almost certainly the correct spelling. But I'll wait to see if Jeanne Gomoll can verify that before making the pseudonym. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:52, 8 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Jeanne says she doesn't remember, so I'm going with the preponderance of evidence and assuming he's "Allan". I set up the appropriate variant/pseudonym. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:02, 8 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::You did the variant, but not the pseudonym. It showed up on a clean-up report so I created the pseudonym. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 07:19, 9 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Weird. I thought I had done it. Well, something went wrong, so thanks for fixing it. I'm doing some of the 2-author covers right now. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:23, 9 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Reviews of works which are not eligible for the database ==<br />
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The review of the work by Alfred Korzybski in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?542562 this publication], should be entered as an ESSAY instead of a REVIEW. That policy is stated under the Reviews section [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Contents_always_included here]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:05, 12 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I was trying to decide whether the book itself was worth adding. My impression is that it's directly enough related to SF to justify inclusion; I take it you agree with that assessment? (In which case, yes I would switch it to an essay.) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:09, 12 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I can't see any relationship to SF. What drew you to that conclusion? <br />
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::: I worded that wrong. (Too late at night) Doesn't look relevant at all. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:39, 12 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Also, about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?542568 this issue] (which showed up on a cleanup report because the Arthur J. Cox piece wasn't varianted). I changed the capitalization of two titles (little "of"s). But can you confirm that the piece by Carolyn Gaybard is fiction? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 07:12, 12 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Also an error. Changed to essay. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:39, 12 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Also, you've not given the source for the data of any of these issues. That's a very important part of ISFDB quality control. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 07:14, 12 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]]<br />
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::::You removed the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1922647 the review record], but didn't delete it. I also see that an ESSAY hasn't been added to the publication record to replace it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 15:30, 12 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Review record removed. I didn't replace it with an essay, because I don't know what the essay would be titled (it was only in the eBay listing as "a review of ..."). And, since the notes already specify that it's only partial contents, it didn't seem important enough to list under a "fake" title. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:06, 12 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Astorita" ==<br />
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When you get a chance, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Verification_requests#Science_Fiction_Yearbook.2C_Number_4_and_Science_Fiction_Yearbook.2C_Number_5 this discussion]? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 01:04, 13 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Done. It's "Astarita" (more detail there). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:26, 13 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: Arigatō! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:55, 13 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Review in ''Fantasy Advertiser'' April 1951 ==<br />
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About the review of ''Lost Continents'' in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?542563 this 1951 issue]: de Camp's series of articles didn't until late 1952, and were gathered in a book for the first time ine 1954. I can't find the eBay auction which mentions this review, even though there were 4-5 listings for it. Can you confirm the review from your source? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:38, 15 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I found [http://www.amazon.com/Advertiser-Anniversary-Stirling-fanzine-installment/dp/B00H8D2OA6 this Amazon listing] which mentions the review as well. I suppose the "review" is based on the manuscript, since it was sold to Prime Press in 1948, but they never published it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:43, 15 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: It came from an old eBay listing, which is no longer up. (I collect eBay listings of fanzines, and when I realized I had a full set of listings for Fantasy Advertiser, I posted the relevant data on ISFDB.) It's still up on that Amazon listing, at [http://aboutread.com/book/B00H8D2OA6/Fantasy-Advertiser-April-1951-Fifth-Anniversary-Edition- AboutRead.com], and in a listing from [http://www.abebooks.com/FANTASY-ADVERTISER-.1951-april-gus-willmorth/16932212955/bd Graham Holroyd], whom I have found to be a reliable source. I suspect you're right about it being a review of an advance copy -- e.g. of the series of essays he published in 1952-53, or of the 1954 book. I didn't know about that 1948 manuscript, but that does make it sound like it may have been what was reviewed. Should the review in Fantasy Advertiser be changed to reflect this status? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:32, 16 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Maybe an explanatory note in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1923149 review's title record] would be the best place. Anyone looking at the list of reviews on the book's title record may think it's odd that a book published in 1954 would be reviewed in 1951. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:29, 16 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Done. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:55, 16 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Radica / Rodica Prato ==<br />
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Can you confirm whether it's necessary to create a pseudonym/variant for the map credited in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47061 this publication] or if it's a publisher's typo that needs correction? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 16:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I edited the publication record to include the exact statement from the copyright page, which differs a bit from what was listed there before. But it is certainly spelled "Radica" there, and is clearly a misspelling of "Rodica". Although the "NewPub" help page section on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Author.28s.29 "Authors"] isn't explicit about it, my understanding is that a misspelling is varianted (and not just corrected). So I set that pseudonym. I suspect that the other Zelandonii map in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?76765 Prato's bibliography] also has the inset, in which case it could be merged with this one; or varianted from this one if it doesn't have the inset. Presumably, we'd have to check with Ofearna, the verifier of the volume with that other map. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:27, 20 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Those standards are for author credit, not artist credit. I believe when an art credit is obviously wrong, it should be noted and corrected. There is no stated policy that opposes that action. There are too many cases where art credit is wrong that to not correct it causes more trouble than it's worth to follow the same standard as author credit. I may be in the minority in believing this, especially now that the ISFDB has turned into the ISF&ADB. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:20, 20 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: That makes sense to me, and brings it in line with the standards for Interviews, which don't try to track misspellings. I changed the book so it's credited to "Rodica", with a note about the spelling error. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:50, 20 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Garan the Eternal (2) ==<br />
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I have updated your verified {{p|228201}} to add the short stories ''One Spell Wizard'' and ''Legacy from Sorn Fen''. Please visit a discussion at [[User talk:Bluesman#Garan the Eternal]] where we are discussing if this should be classified as a collection or omnibus. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 01:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Errored out submissions? ==<br />
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I am looking at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/recent.cgi?0+P list of ''Errored Out and "In Progress" Submissions''] and I see a significant number of PubUpdate submissions which had something to do with changing the Artist field. 8 of them were created by you between October 13 and 18 and I wonder if you may be able to recall what was changed and how the software (mis)behaved? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:45, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Never mind, the bug has been found! :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:02, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: Since I wrote up the description, here it is anyway, and you could check whether this explains the bug: <br />
:: As I was getting used to the details of converting "Cover1 and Cover2" to "Cover with 2 authors", I made several errors. I would open the book, and the cover. Then I would delete the author of "Cover2" from the book, and add it as a second author for "Cover1". Now the correct thing to do is to submit and save the book (reduced to a single author on the cover) and then submit and save the edit to "Cover1", changing its author to a double author. If you do those two saves in the opposite order, it causes the system great consternation. That was the cause of every (IIRC) every one of those "Errored Out" submissions. It would result in a Python error, I'd click on the pub record number, and start over. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:07, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Thanks for the write-up! Unfortunately, it's even more complicated than it appears to the end user :-\<br />
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::: If the software determines that the editor is trying to remove a COVERART record from a publication, it deletes it from the database. ''Then'' it checks if that COVERART record is also being used by another pub. If is, it ''re-adds'' it to the database. The code is fairly convoluted and the changes that added language support messed it up.<br />
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::: There was similar (less convoluted, but seriously flawed) code in "Delete Pub", which I eliminated a few weeks ago. I expect that the whole thing will go away once we have the new COVERART logic in place. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:19, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: P.S. I should have clarified that this only becomes a problem if there are 2+ artists associated with the unlucky COVERART record. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:58, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Glad you're enjoying the debugging :-) Mostly I included my writeup above knowing that, whatever the underlying bug was, this at least gave you a defined process for checking whether the bug was eliminated. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:13, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: For some values of "enjoying" :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:25, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: :-) &nbsp; There's a saying in math that √(1 + x<sup>2</sup>) is approximately x, for small values of 1. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:05, 27 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Unaccepted submission ==<br />
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Just a heads-up. One of your submissions has been sitting in the moderator queue for about a week. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 16:39, 30 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. That was an error, I had replaced it with the correct submission, and neglected to cancel that one. It's gone now. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:34, 30 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== De Wereldbrekers ==<br />
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I'd like to add some data to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?425714 this verified pub]. The translator is Pon Ruiter (credited for "redactie") and there's an author's note on page 7 (translation of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1541862 this note]. I'll also add some notes and a cover scan, and I already changed the price from ƒ7.50 to ƒ17.90 as stated on the backcover. Can you agree? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 19:23, 31 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:It's been a week now, so I made the suggested changes. Hope you can agree. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 08:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Remedios Varos or Varo ==<br />
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Can you confirm the cover artist credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?197389 this publication]? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 15:54, 6 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: "Remedios Varos" corrected to "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?141265 Remedios Varo]". Basic data added to her bio page. This does lead to the oddity that since her native language is Spanish, and the book was in English, that cover art is now listed as "Cover: Dangerous Space [English] (2007)", even though there is no "English" within the art itself. But I guess that's what happens when we take a database intended for written works and try to force it to become a database for art as well. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:55, 7 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::True. COVERART and INTERIORART records shouldn't have a language field. I've asked and it was considered, but I'm not sure if it will ever happen. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:49, 7 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The SAPS Index ==<br />
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Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547136 this] a fanzine or a fan publication? If it's periodical, the former would apply, and its editor record would have to be placed into a magazine series. If it's not, then it should be typed as NONFICTION. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 08:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I'm not completely sure. It was distributed like a fanzine, i.e. as part of SAPS mailing #48. It makes reference to a previous index by Walter Coslet, and there's an editorial essentially begging someone to continue the effort for "the next four years". (Coslet indexed #1-12; Eney is indexing #13-34 here. There appears to have been no later issue). My impression is that it should probably be treated as a fanzine with two issues and two different Editor records. But is also shares a lot of characteristics with a one-shot fan pub, e.g. as a straight index, it includes none of the writing (other than the intro) that we would expect of a fanzine. What do you think? (Added: The NedBrooks fanzine listing has this as an "Apazine".) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:33, 14 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I've come to the conclusion, based on the data you've provided, that this is not a periodical. That should be the essential criterion for determining if a publication is a fanzine/magazine. Even if only one issue appears, it should have the look and intention of its publisher to be the first of several issues. From your description that doesn't appear to be the case here. It's not given a monthly, seasonal, or even annual date, nor is it numbered to indicate that it's meant to be periodically published. I'll leave the final determination up to you, but if you conclude that it's a fanzine and not a fannish publication, then you should place its editor record into a magazine series. (I think many fans don't draw as clear a distinction between a fanzine and a fannish publication as I do.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:03, 14 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1932552 Coslet edition] is showing up on another clean-up report. The author credit of the title differs from the author credit of the publication record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 07:32, 15 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Coslet standardized to "Walter A. Coslet". I don't have the issue to verify, but that's how UC-Riverside lists him. All pubs/titles converted to Non-Fic. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:32, 15 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Another CHAPBOOK with missing content ==<br />
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Please add a content record to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547208 this publication]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 07:46, 15 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:The publisher name is showing up on another clean-up report as having bad characters. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 07:49, 15 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: I added the content record (and the title page image). Apparently, I got distracted while finishing that record. I don't know how to deal with the "bad characters" complaint. They were copied from WorldCat, and I have no other way to enter Hebrew. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:08, 15 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::I changed the character between the "a"s to an apostrophe and that cleared it from the report. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:25, 15 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:16, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Heer der Stormen ==<br />
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I added the cover artist (from signature), notes (there were none) and a scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?422866 this verified pub]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:38, 15 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. I cannot find this book right now, but I assume you are correct. When I find this again, I'll check it, just to make sure we don't have two different editions. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:02, 5 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Roman A. or Roman R. Ranieri ==<br />
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Can you confirm the credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1551774 this work]? The cover credits "A", and there are more credits in the db for that initial. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:00, 22 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Poking you about this question. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 16:30, 3 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: The table of contents credits him as "Roman R.", but (as you note) the cover credits him as "Roman A.". The story title page also credits him as "Roman A.". I corrected the attribution and added a note about the error. It's right after another note about the ToC having a different spelling error. Hmm, I see a lazy editor in this. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:00, 5 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Dorrance ==<br />
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Can you confirm the publisher stated on the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?433827 this publication]? We have two designations for a publisher which probably changed its name around 1980. The earlier incarnation was "Dorrance & Company" and the latter was "Dorrance Publisher". Could you book fall into one or other of those two? (Yours is the only record currently given just as "Dorrance".) Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:57, 27 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Poking you about this question. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 16:30, 3 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: It's "Dorrance & Company". Pub record corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:05, 5 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== To Ride Pegasus ==<br />
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Hi, I've imported content for your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?311184 To Ride Pegasus].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:54, 28 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. I can't find this book right now to verify it again, but I'll check it again when I find it, just in case there are different versions. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:07, 5 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''...And the Angel with Television Eyes'' ==<br />
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You have an OCLC/Worldcat-verified {{P|490739|...And the Angel with Television Eyes}} that cites Locus as the source. It seems to be a clone -- and duplicate -- of {{P|251354|this}}, except with a different publication date, and neither Locus nor OCLC corroborates that 2005 date. Would you take a look and see if you can remember anything about that entry? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 03:41, 7 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I don't remember that verification, but I think there was a time that I entered several Nightshade books, and this was probably part of that. [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1892389134 Amazon] gives it a publication date of Sept. 1, 2005, but the "Look Inside" feature shows a publication date of 2001. Amazon UK gives a publication date of Dec. 15, 2001. [http://www.powells.com/book/angel-with-the-television-eyes-9781892389138 Powell's Books] gives the 2005 publication date, but also specifies a copyright date of 2001. [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?isbn=9781892389138 Abebooks] lists 13 copies with a 2001 publication date and 8 with a 2005 publication date. It is ''not'' a case of getting a copyright, but not being published for several years, because there I found lots of reviews of the book from 2001 or 2002. I notice that none of the Abebook 2005 copies said ''anything'' about a printing number, but 3 of those with a 2001 publication date specified that they were a first printing (by number line). This seems to be fairly conclusive evidence that the 2005 was an unstated 2nd printing. I will make that correction. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:27, 8 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Ruth Rendell's ''The Tree of Hands'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?402359 this book] qualifies for the database? If it doesn't contain any spec-fic elements, and it's by an author who isn't "above the threshold", it probably doesn't qualify. I'm trying to clear some of these non-genre works by non-genre authors from the db. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:38, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: In reviewing the book, it does NOT belong in the database. It was in there, and by a woman author, so I ended up picking up a copy. I've just finished reading 20 reviews of it, and there is no reason to believe that there is any spec fic in it. (I haven't read the book and, after reading the reviews, I have no interest in doing so.) Please go ahead and delete it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:55, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Mary Poppins from A to Z'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89070 this publication]: Is the disambiguation "(alphabet book)" necessary? It's ISFDB standard to record titles as published, and we only disambiguate to keep different works from being merged accidentally. I don't see that happening in this case. (Also, "from" is one of those words the standards give not to be capitalized in titles.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:43, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: You are correct on both counts, and I have made those corrections. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:57, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe publisher ==<br />
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Hi -- sorry about the slow reply; re [[User_talk:Mike_Christie#Publisher_for_.22Fantastic_Universe.22|this question]], the magazine is in a box and likely to stay there for at least a year or so more. I would bet money that I simply made a mistake on this one; I have no memory of it being noticeably different, which I think I would recall. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:15, 14 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the response. I can certainly sympathize with having stuff in unattainable boxes! I'll make the change for now, then if you have the chance, and the memory, to check it later, you can see if we did so correctly. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Zauberlinda ==<br />
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I added the cover artist to our mutually verified publication of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?305936 Zauberlinda the Wise Witch]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:34, 16 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks! Was there a credit I missed, or did you base the credit off something else? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:40, 16 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Not that I noticed in the book. However, a reprint of the cover was explicitly credited in an issue of ''The Baum Bugle'', though they misspelled her name. As she is the same artist as the illustrator who is credited, I have no reason to believe the cover was done by someone else. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:35, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: That sounds like sufficient evidence. Thanks! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:38, 22 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Sin-Eater'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm the publisher credit given for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500473 this publication]? All other books from this publisher are "'''The''' Harvill Press". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:00, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: The publisher's name appears 3 times: (1) On the title page as "The Harvill Press"; (2) On the copyright page as "Harvill Press Limited"; and (3) On the back cover, in an ad for the previous book by Water, as "The Harvill Press Ltd.". I took the name from the copyright page; I should have taken it from the title page. I have now corrected that error. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:50, 20 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: Aside: I see there are three variants of how to list "Collins & The Harvill Press", the alternatives being "Collins and Harvill Press" or just "Collins Harvill". Just in case you want to try to re-structure them. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:55, 20 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Since Harvill isn't an imprint of Collins, I can assume it's a joint venture. If that's the case, "Collins & The Harvill Press" would be the way to go. All of the publications under that name are 1963-1973. The pubs staring in 1988 seem to be legitimately listed as "Collins Harvill" which appears to be the new name for the joint venture. How are they credited on the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288748 this 1975 publication]? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:36, 21 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: On the title page, it's "COLLINS and HARVILL PRESS", where I've preserved their capitalization, since that points out the separation of the two companies. On the copyright page, it says:<br />
Made and printed in Great Britain by <br />
William Collins Sons & Co Ltd Glasgow <br />
for Collins, St. James's Place and <br />
Harvill Press Ltd, 30A Pavilion Road<br />
London SW1<br />
:::: [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:59, 22 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::So we'll leave it as it now stands. This appears to be the designation for the venture between the two we've already established. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 05:03, 22 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Oliphant's The Land of Darkness ==<br />
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Your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503390 copy] of 1888 McMillan edition of Margaret Oliphant's ''The Land of Darkness: Along With Some Further Chapters in the Experiences of the Little Pilgrim'' has the author credited as "Mrs. Oliphant". I think I'm looking at the same edition scanned at [https://books.google.com/books?id=bVkZAAAAYAAJ Google Books]. However there is no author credited in that edition. I see that the [https://lccn.loc.gov/01016432 Library of Congress] mentions that the spine has the author as "Mrs. Oliphant". If that is your source for the credit, I'd like to add a note about that source. I'd also like expand the notes with the catalog numbers from Reginald (who also indicates that it was published anonymously) and Belier from his ''Guide to Supernatural Fiction'' as well as a link to the LOC. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:43, 20 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: You are correct: The only place in the book where the author's name appears is on the spine, as "Mrs. Oliphant". There are two other references of the form "by the author of ...", although neither is on the title page, but those are implicit references at best. I've made a note to this effect on the pub. record. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:46, 20 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking. I've added the catalog numbers that I'd mentioned. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 20 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Shon Bezeten cover artist ==<br />
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I added Eric Ladd as cover artist and a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?496389 this verified pub]. The cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?588325 The Cache] was used. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 20:49, 20 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:37, 22 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Pain story in The Black Cap ==<br />
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I noticed that we had two stories by Barry Pain with similar titles. One, "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331459 A Considerable Murder]" appears in ''A Century of Creepy Stories'' which has no verifiers. Both Tuck and ''The Supernatural Index'' have the same title that we have for the story. The other, "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1001690 A Considered Murder]" appears in Asquith's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288775 The Black Cap]'' where we have a copy that you have verified. Tuck has the title as given, whereas ''The Supernatural Index'' has it as "Considerable". I suspect these are the same story and perhaps Tuck is the source of the error. Could you check your copy and see if we have the correct title? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:23, 23 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: It is "A Considerable Murder", on both the ToC and at the story. I'm sure I didn't enter the contents, although I should have caught that doing the verification, so I suspect you are correct that the error comes from Tuck. I corrected the title. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:14, 23 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Typos ==<br />
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Would you mind double checking these possible typos?<br />
* speciman - {{T|1882666|The Speciman}} in {{P|526205|Ghuvna, #2, August 1952}}<br />
: Spelled "Speciman" in the ToC; spelled "Specimen" at the story. Corrected, note added.<br />
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* irresistable - {{T|1529674|Irresistable Schlog Meets Immovable Critic}} in {{P|404277|Janus, Vol. 3, #2, June 1977}}<br />
: Yup, that's how Tom spelled it. If you want, I can tease him about it at our next family gathering :-)<br />
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* observaton - {{T|1530590|An Observaton on the Direction of Science Fiction Art}} in {{P|404281|Janus, Vol. 4, #2-3, Summer/Autumn 1978}}<br />
: Typo, corrected.<br />
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* occurences - {{T|1739171|Poor David, or, The Possibility of Coincidence in Situations of Multiple Occurences}} in {{P|426562|Things Withered}}<br />
: Typo, corrected.<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:50, 1 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: And thanks for doing all this checking. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:00, 1 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::LOL. With my own tendencies for typos, I'd be the last to encouraging teasing someone about them. ;-) I added a note regarding the "irresistable" spelling. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:17, 2 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Linda Steele (Illustrator) ==<br />
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A Happy New Year! I have changed the author/artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1307116 this piece] from just Linda Steele (on the grounds that it is an illustration), because there's also an author named so. This may have some higher likelihood, but you might want to check if it's really the illustrator associated with Michael Moorcock. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:51, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I'm out of town for a week, but I'll check on this when I get back. The cover artist is a friend of mine, and I can check with her as well -- I suspect she'll know. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:19, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mark or Marc Tauss ==<br />
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Can you confirm the cover art credit for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20932 this publication]? If correct, it should be varianted to {{A|Marc Tauss}}. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:12, 7 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I'm out of town until Monday, but I'll check on this when I get back. Interestingly, Locus has it both ways: [http://www.locusmag.com/index/c66.htm Marc], [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t291.htm Mark], and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b208.htm Mark]. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:39, 9 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Have you had a chance to check on this? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:15, 15 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29613 Serpent Mage] updates ==<br />
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I updated the month of publication, corrected a typo in the spelling of one of the contributors ("Park" corrected to "Pack"), and added a few more notes. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 07:16, 9 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover art credit for ''Gifts'' ==<br />
Hi, Ive been asked to discuss the discrepancy in the cover art credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310671 this record] with me as the verifier of an earlier edition with the same art by [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 05:33, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
:I will withdraw Stephen Raw for cover artist, as he did only the lettering.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:29, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover art credit for ''Half the Day is Night'' ==<br />
There's a similar situation with you as verifier of another edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16257 this publication]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 05:35, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Do a search fore 'Irene Gallo' in the 'notes' field, and see the same kind of credit come up for far less obvious things (such as title lettering, as Stephen Raw did with 'Gifts'). And that is only for those verifiers that will include the Jacket Designer in the notes field: <br />
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:: Record Title Authors Date Pages Tag Binding Type ISBN Price Publisher Pub. Series<br />
:: 12840 Expiration Date Tim Powers 1996-01-00 381 XPRTNDT1996B hc NOVEL 0-312-86086-2 $23.95 Tor <br />
:: 16256 Half the Day is Night Maureen F. McHugh 1994-10-00 352 HTDI1994 hc NOVEL 0-312-85479-X $21.95 Tor <br />
:: 21870 Memory Linda Nagata 2004-06-00 416 MMRY2004 tp NOVEL 0-765-30900-9 $14.95 Tor <br />
:: 82457 Someone Comes to Town, Someone Leaves Town Cory Doctorow 2006-06-00 315 SMNCMSTTWN2006 tp NOVEL 0-765-31280-8 $14.95 Tor <br />
:: 44908 The Ordinary Jim Grimsley 2004-05-00 368 THRDNRY2004 hc NOVEL 0-765-30528-3 $24.95 Tor <br />
:: 89475 The Silver Ship and the Sea Brenda Cooper 2007-03-00 396 THSLVRSHPN2007 hc NOVEL 0-765-31597-1 $25.95 Tor<br />
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There are in fact many more records where Irene Gallo was Jacket Designer -perhaps we should mail her. BTW: my copy only mentions Paul Lehr as cover artist and does not mention Irene Gallo at all. We have no way of knowing exactly what was done by Gallo either, she may have used art by someone else. It is just the opposite of the 'Gifts' case.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:29, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Rives' The Ghost Garden ==<br />
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I noticed that are the uploader of the scan for Amélie Rives' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?452995 The Ghost Garden]'' and that the notes refer to the cover shown as the verifier's copy. However, the publication currently has no primary verifications. I wanted to bring it to your attention in case you wanted to add a verification. I did expand the notes and added "A Novel" as a subtitle. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:18, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for noticing! That was, in fact, my verification, so I added that to the record. And thanks for the other changes. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:13, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Pied Piper of Hamlin --LC records w some linked images? ==<br />
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Hi. I see that you verified both copies of Kate Greenaway-illustrated editions that are in the database {{p|384735}} {{p|384733}} and that there is some open question about identity and date, at least. Perhaps the US Library of Congress online catalog records will help. For Greenaway-illus. eds. there are five records dated 1888, 1910, 1993 (2), 1997. Here are links to all with year and page-count as catalogued, bracketed dates represented with parentheses.<br />
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[https://lccn.loc.gov/15017118 (1888) 64pp]; [https://lccn.loc.gov/38027626 (1910) 48pp]; [https://lccn.loc.gov/93011265 1993 104pp]; [https://lccn.loc.gov/93000767 1993 unpaged]; [https://lccn.loc.gov/96054625 1997 44pp]<br />
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Mainly I think it is the [1910] record that may be useful. The publisher Frederick Warne and page-count 48 match one of yours and the difference 1901/1910 may represent a data entry error. The online record includes two Links labeled "Page view" and "PDF" which might provide views at or inside the LC copies. Unfortunately I cannot view the target files; maybe you can. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:21, 22 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== More Possible Typos ==<br />
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Here are two more possible typos:<br />
* anoyster - {{T|1882659|Ode to anOyster}} in {{P|526205|Ghuvna, #2, August 1952}}<br />
* biliography - {{T|1530294|Vonda N. McIntyre (GoH Biliography)}} in {{P|404280|Janus, Vol. 4, #1, Spring 1978}}<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:53, 23 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Yup, both typos. Corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:21, 24 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mary Poppins From A to Z ==<br />
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I added the series numeral 7 with Note "earlier than 8 (formerly 7); retain numbering 1-6 for the longer works as that is ubiquitous online, also explicit in British "complete edition" that includes only the 6". <br />
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: Usually, in series where there isn't any strict numbering that's obvious, we just leave the "extra" stories or books unnumbered. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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P.S.<br />
# Does the first edition capitalize "From" in the title? The 2006 clearly does not (but I missed that point during data entry so it stands for now).<br />
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:: Nope, not capitalized. Was my error. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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# Is the first all black-and-white as the cover image suggests?<br />
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:: Not really. Black ink drawings on colored paper, with the colors alternating from orange to black. I'll add that note to the first edition, and if that's not the case in the reprint you have, then you should note that difference there. Also, my copy has decorated, colored endpapers, and has colored capital initials on 26 words counting up from A to Z in the intro text, and counting down from Z to A on the closing text page. Sometimes those colorations get dropped in later printings, and it might be worth noting if that happens here. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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# I entered [55] pages not 54, including the closing illustration in my count; that is 1 + 54 as 27 facing pairs. This isn't a question and I only now see the discrepancy. For your information.<br />
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:: Mine has 26 facing pairs, 1 intro page, 1 concluding page, for 54 pages (although I should have listed it as "[54]"). What's the extra page you have? My last page is facing a blank page, and my intro page is facing a copyright/dedication page. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:13, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: [1] I downcased the title From=>from per general guidelines.<br />
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:: That error occurred in 4 places (Chapbook title, short fiction title, and 2 pubs). You corrected 1, and I corrected the other three. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I added a second note to Title T{{t|197213}} briefly quoting the capsule review in a Christmas column 1962-12-02 (fyi, the book was also reviewed NYTimes 1962-09-30). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:24, 3 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: I like that! It helps to clarify what the book is like. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christina Askounis'' by The Lost ==<br />
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Please check out [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557457 this publication] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38848 this publication] which has a different title, but the same ISBN. Oddly, the title of the first is the author of the second. And both are sourced to the same OCLC record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:20, 29 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, THAT was a screw-up. I got the title and author backwards somehow. And Cold Tonnage Books is reporting the wrong title on that book (I've written him and asked him about this). But how I didn't notice that his title wasn't the same as WorldCat's is a total mystery to me. I've fixed the author/title issue, and I'll wait for a response from Cold Tonnage about the two different titles with the same author and same ISBN. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]]<br />
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:: I need to start writing and then get published under the pseudonym "The Lost". Even the second one that is in better shape has a typo: "artisr". [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] 00:56, 29 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Perhaps you should remove the Amazon and OCLC sources. Both sources give the other title (''The Dream of the Stone''). And remove the OCLC verification. Only actual secondary sources should be noted. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:58, 29 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Other parts seem improbably too. Were they both 291 page hardcovers!? [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] 01:04, 29 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I deleted the entire book until I can figure out what's going on. Cold Tonnage is the only seller at Abebooks or bookfindercom that lists it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:23, 29 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: That is probably a good call. I assume you are referring to this listing (I didn't look it at Abebooks or bookfinder): [http://www.coldtonnage.com/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=524228 06525]. The things that jump out at me are the obvious issues with the publisher field (misspelling of "Strauss" and no mention of "Giroux"), and then the description which says "the author's first book" (she can only have one right?) and contains a review mentioning the character "Sarah" by "Madeleine L'Engle". <cite>The Dream of the Stone</cite> does have a character named Sarah and it was reviewed by Madeleine L'Engle (among others). I am guessing the title is misquoted in that record. [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] 01:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Yup, that's the listing. I'm buying the book from him either way, so I'll process it when it comes in. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:03, 29 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== James Faulkenburg or Faulkenberg? ==<br />
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Can you confirm the credit of the three pieces by James Faulkenburg in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?502805 this publication]? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:28, 5 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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It's been quite a while since I asked this question. Have you had time to check the publication? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:51, 24 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Another two weeks and still no response. These matches have been sitting in the clean-up report for quite some time now and I'd like to clear them. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:07, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Vampyre of Moura ==<br />
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You secondary verified {{P|557548|The Vampyre of Moura}}. However, that looks like an exact duplicate of {{P|355876|this primary verified pub}}. I believe the secondary verification should be moved over to that pub (along with the OCLC note) and the first one deleted. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 02:26, 9 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks! I was entering the entire "Anne Wicklow" series, of which we only had one of six books entered, and apparently overlooked that I was duplicating the one we did have. Repaired. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Journey to Apriloth ==<br />
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User Horzel found the artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267429 Journey to Apriloth] [http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1156589 Here]. The signature convinced me it's Stephen Hickman. I added the artist and a note. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 19:52, 9 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks! That is certainly convincing. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:11, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Jeff Grub or Jeff Grubb ==<br />
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Can you confirm the author credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1604748 this work]? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:40, 10 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Another question that's not been answered. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:51, 24 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I have changed the credit to "Grubb" based on the OCLC record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:20, 26 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Prince of Darkness by Barbara Michaels ==<br />
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The author of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?69409 needs to be changed to Barbara Michaels -- Elizabeth Peters and Barbara Michaels are both pseudonyms of Barbara Merz, but since she made so much more $$ as Peters one of the pb publishers did "Elizabeth Peters writing as Barbara Michaels" -- still Barbara Michaels, right? Thanks [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 23:22, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I've corrected the record, since "writing as" means "published as by". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:19, 16 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Bonfire ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1758417 this title]: You'll have to reconcile the differences between the editor credit of the publications and the editor credit of the title record. Otherwise, they will have to be unmerged. (This showed up on a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 clean-up report].) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 08:15, 6 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Responding to inquiries on your talk page ==<br />
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I see that you've been here off and on, but that you haven't responded to any of my inquiries in the past month. Is everything OK? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]]<br />
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: My apologies. I've been too overwhelmed with work and life lately to spend any substantial time here. And unfortunately, my library is currently is such a state of disarray, that I can't get to my books to answer questions. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 11:55, 17 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Slightly Behind...'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?321920 this publication]: If the cover art is a single work by three artists, please update one of the cover art records to credit all three artists, and then remove and delete the other two. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 16:54, 18 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dutch Perry Rhodan ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?563763 This record] shows up on a clean-up report because it wasn't placed into an editor series. So I did it. Also, changed the editor to "uncredited" instead of "unknown" so that it aligns with other issues of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?33176 series]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:39, 22 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I also added the content and varianted it to the original German title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:02, 22 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks much! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:22, 24 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Everyman's Library from 1906 ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?129 Everyman's Library] volume 8 ''Tales of Shakespeare'' P{{p|419970}} you give year 1909. From contemporary newspapers I know that the first lot of Everyman's Library including ''Tales of Shakespeare'' was published early in 1906, during February by Dent in London and soon after by Dutton in New York. <br />
: That is, first printing spring 1906. Everyman's Library ''Granny's Wonderful Chair'' was reprinted 1908 10 12 15 [http://hdl.handle.net/2027/uva.x002675261?urlappend=%3Bseq=10]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:44, 27 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Dutton advertises the series at ''NY Times'' 1906-06-02 pBR351 --"Cloth, 50 cents. Leather, $1.00, postpaid."-- stating that there are 100 books and providing a complete List of Volumes. The list is alphabetical by category, then more or less by lot and surname. It begins thus:<br />
;Biography<br />
* Boswell's Life of Johnson, two vols<br />
* Lockhart's Life of Napoleon [last of 3 vols Biography from the first lot of 50]<br />
* Benvenuto Cellini's Autobiography [not in the first lot of 50]<br />
...<br />
;Children's<br />
*Andersen<br />
*Hawthorne<br />
*Kingston<br />
*Kingston<br />
*"Lamb's Tales from Shakespeare. Illustrated by Arthur Rackham." [last of 5 vols Children's from the first lot of 50]<br />
...<br />
;Classical<br />
*"Marcus Aurelius' Meditations [from the first lot of 50]<br />
...<br />
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Another advertisement NYTimes 1908-12-05 p741 lists the first 340 volumes, ordered by category and surname, also numbered 1 to 340 or so. I cannot interpret even the two-digit numbers 1 to 99 entirely in relation to the layout of the June 1906 unnumbered list, but numbers 1 to 9 among 340 are #1-2 Boswell, ... #8 Lamb, #9 Marcus Aurelius, all in sequence as listed above omitting Benvenuto Cellini.<br />
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For what it's worth, I know only one other NYTimes advertisement that lists all of the volumes, 1906-10-05 stating that there are now 150. I doubt that the first lot of 50 was advertised in the same fashion in NYTimes.<br />
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Dutton cut the price from $0.50/1.00 to $0.35/0.70, plus 7c postage per volume, with advert of "Fifty-three New Volumes Ready April 10th, Making 318 Books Available". That advertisement NYTimes 1908-04-11 pBR198 lists all of the new volumes by category, numbered 266 to 315 plus 315 A to C.<br />
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Subsequent general advertisements imply that the price cut covered the entire Library, not only the new issues. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:26, 27 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I do have URL for any newspaper items. I am using a university library subscription to ProQuest Historical Newspapers, with internet addresses that function inside the building. "pBR351" refers to the weekly? Book Review supplement?.<br />
: Later I will make some note at publication series [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?129 Everyman's Library]. Apologies and thanks for use of your space today. --21:37, 27 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: ''Tales from Shakespeare'' first publ. January 1906 in the U.K. per Terry Seymour, ''A Printing History of Everyman's Library 1906-1982'' (AuthorHouse, 2011) <br />
:: [https://books.google.com/books?id=DbUp4qfbE_sC&dq=grimm%27s+fairy+tales+everyman%27s+library+1906&source=gbs_navlinks_s at Google Books] (search "Lamb, Charles") --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:08, 29 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Rev. H. Cacntner vs Rev. H. Cauntner ==<br />
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Hi, your veriified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?494044 Evening Tales for the Winter Being a Selection of Wonderful & Supernatural Stories] contains [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1803132 The Prophecy] by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?210858 Rev. H. Cacntner]. Looking for details on this author I stumbled upon [http://jerryshouseofeverything.blogspot.nl/2016/02/forgotten-book-evening-tales-for-winter.html Rev. H. Cauntner]. Could you please check?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 23:10, 3 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Varianting translated titles in ''Fenix'' ==<br />
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Please variant the translated titles contained in these periodicals. Many of them are showing up on clean-up reports. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:06, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I posted a note in the Community Portal about this. I knew it would happen, but it's going to take me a bit to do all of the varianting, since there are a couple of hundred such titles. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:00, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I suggest that you only enter one issue at a time, and variant its contents before going on to the next issue. This will avoid many problems which would be sitting in the database, waiting to be fixed in the meantime. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 08:02, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: The way my macros are set up, that would be much harder to do, and take much longer. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 13:20, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Then I guess I don't understand macros very well. If creating the publication records takes X amount of time and creating the variants takes Y amount of time, it's going to add up to X+Y either way. Waiting to do the varianting at the end means that during X all of these translated titles will be sitting unvarianted in the database. It looks like you've already created publication records for all 107 issues, so the varianting can begin. So continue to do as you see best, and the clean-up reports will remain as they are until you're ready to make the variants. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:53, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::: You don't understand how my macros work. For example, I extract the data from the Polish database into a spreadsheet. Then I massage the data to get it to a form usable by my macro. Then I execute the macro to create fanzines/magazines. It asks me how many, I type "107", and it enters 107 issues (without contents yet), while I go do something else. Yes, I could tell it to do them one at a time. But then I would have to keep an eye on it, and execute the macro 107 times, instead of once. That's a lot of extra work. Similar things happen in entering contents; much less work to a do a bunch at once. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:07, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Also, please assign languages to the non-English authors. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?61 this report]. And the duplicated titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?565724 this issue] also appears in a clean-up report. Looks like the Ellison/Silverberg work has the wrong title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:20, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I hadn't thought about that. I'll try to get to that as well, but it's probably going to take me through the weekend. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:00, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: I've corrected the mistaken title for the Ellison / Silverburg story. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 13:19, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: I've assigned languages, i.e. "Polish", to all of the authors whose works weren't translated, and to a few of the Russian authors. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:07, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Typos 10-Apr ==<br />
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Here are some possible typos:<br />
* adentures - {{P|417368|The Adentures of Merrywink}}<br />
* biographis - {{T|1319226|Readercon Committee Biographis}} in {{P|294777|Readercon 5 Program Book}}<br />
* Simarillion - {{T|1530305|The Simarillion (WisCon program)}} in {{P|404280|Janus, Vol. 4, #1, Spring 1978}}<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:21, 10 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Wikipedia articles and redirects ==<br />
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I am here because I posted another follow-up at [[User talk:Ahasuerus#Wikipedia articles and redirects]] and I don't recall whether there is any automated notice here. (I see that it is not {{ping}} as at Wikipedia.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:33, 12 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: It's on my watchlist, so when I get to isfdb, I see pages such as that one. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:06, 13 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Title mismatch ==<br />
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The title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?566946 this publication] (''De gedaant-wisselingen van P. Ovidius Naso'') should match the title of its [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1993546 title record] (''Ovid's Metamorphoses in Latin and English ''). It's language assignment also doesn't match (Dutch for the publication, English for the title.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:15, 13 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: That should be corrected now. I started by cloning another title (the English + Latin version), and apparently didn't complete the task. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:48, 13 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Maud and Miska Petersham ==<br />
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You verified ''The Poppy Seed Cakes'' (Doubleday, 1951) P{{p|460837}}.<br />
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The Petershams wife-and-husband illustrator duo should be jointly credited for the cover art --that is, Miska Petersham entered as a second artist rather than a second cover. Per -- same as for the illustrations. (You didn't create any INTERIORART record but the linked OCLC credits that.) <br />
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By the way here is a library catalog record for the 1951 edition?/printing, [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/5765243 OCLC 5765243].<br />
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I dont know the work but I will probably add the 1924 first edition tomorrow, as I do for many first eds. of children's books.<br />
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Moments ago I submitted correction of the Petershams cover art for Pinocchio <s>--in the queue as I depart</s> [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3008761]. When approved there will be no other separate credits for M & M Petersham in the database. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:52, 14 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: (fix link) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:14, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: I added the 1924 first ed. with joint artwork credits for both cover and interior P{{p|567201}}.<br />
:: Does your book have illustration that borders the text on every page, as Amazon Look Inside! shows for the 2013 Everyman's edition [http://www.amazon.com/Poppy-Everymans-Library-Childrens-Classics/dp/0375712321]? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:27, 16 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Now I add that 2013 Everyman's edition with several notes primarily from Amazon Look Inside!<br />
::: LCCN links a publisher description that confirms artwork on every page (stories/chapters evidently short) <br />
::: Maybe a COLLECTION rather than a novel per LC catalogue summary ("Collection of nursery tales ...") as Amazon description also suggests to me ("eight charming and humorous linked stories"). What do you think? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:39, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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'''Two weeks later.''' Last fortnight I made a mistake in creation of cover art <br />
T{{t|1995888}}, fixed today so that it does credit Maud and Miska Petersham jointly. You verified ''The Poppy Seed Cakes'' (Doubleday, 1951) P{{p|460837}}, which should include the new joint cover art rather than the two separate cover arts. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:55, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== SERIALs that need to be varianted to a parent record ==<br />
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Could you please clear this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?22 clean-up report] of unvarianted serials when you get a chance. Also, I believe that these aren't correctly titled based on my interpretation of the ISFDB standards. Please respond [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Serialized_stories_with_non-English_titles here] when you can. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:43, 25 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Done. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:46, 30 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Georgian to German ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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I've changed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?213207 Clara Hepner] from Georgian language to German, taking her collection [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1828978 Gulnar, die Meerfrau: Und andere Märchen]<br />
and the three underlying stories [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1828979 Woher die gelben Blumen kommen], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1828980 Die drei Schlüffelein] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1828981 Der Meisterfänger] with it.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:55, 9 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you! It's pretty clear that I was trying to set the language to German, and missed by 1 slot in the language listing. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Subtitle ==<br />
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Hello! I'm not sure about the subtitle in your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?504781 Gulnar, die Meerfrau: Und andere Märchen]. The part ''und andere....'' is in german usually a part of the title like here [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1372087] or here [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1372788]. The OCLC also indicates it as a part of the title, but has another subtitle: [http://www.worldcat.org/title/gulnar-die-meerfrau-und-andere-marchen-ein-marchen-almanach/oclc/254090757 Gulnar die Meerfrau und andere Märchen: ein Märchen-Almanach]. It seems also that your verified pub is the second printing. The ''Deutsche Nationalbibliothek'' (German national library) indicates in [https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=showFullRecord&currentResultId=%22klara%22+and+%22hepner%22%26any&currentPosition=10 Gulnar die Meerfrau u. a. Märchen] that the title of the first printing [https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=showFullRecord&currentResultId=clara+and+hepner%26any&currentPosition=10 Märchen-Almanach] has a copyright law problem and therefore they renamed the second printing. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 14:54, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Izzard #6 ==<br />
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I'm 100% sure the letter in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?526306 Izzard #6] from "Lucy Huntziner" is by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?177958 Lucy Huntzinger]. Typo or pseudonym? Thanks for checking! [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 11:21, 11 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Absolutely. Typo corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:57, 20 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mountain Cage ==<br />
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Just added a month of publication to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?501672 your verified edition] from the publisher's log book in the Cheap Street Collection in the Rare Books Department of Tulane University. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 17:45, 13 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Likewise for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?501678 the companion checklist]. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 17:47, 13 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:53, 13 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Hold on Author Update: José Asunción Silva ==<br />
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You submitted a change for Silva's birthplace from "Colombia" to "United States of Colombia". We do not normally use the full legal name of a country when it is better known by a shorter version of that name, unless there are grounds for confusion (as with "The Congo", or "China"). To change that policy would require searching down hundreds, if not thousands, of entered place locations and changing them. If you wish to change this precedent, you should raise the issue on the "Rules and Standards" board. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:16, 23 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: We DO distinguish between the Kingdom of England (pre 1707), the Kingdom of Great Britain (1707-1800) and the UK (after 1801), why not distinguish various periods in Colombia? Gran Colombia (1821-1831), Republic of New Granada (1831-1858), Granadine Confederation (1858–1863), United States of Colombia (1863–1886), Colombia (after 1886). Besides, we speak about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_birthplace&OPERATOR_1=contains&TERM_1=colombia&CONJUNCTION_1=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&OPERATOR_2=exact&TERM_2=&CONJUNCTION_2=AND&USE_3=author_canonical&OPERATOR_3=exact&TERM_3=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&START=0&TYPE=Author only seven (7) records, and there is only one affected].....--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:50, 23 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: My own birth ground -Netherlands- can be found as Burgundian Netherlands (1384-1482), Habsburg Netherlands (1482-1581)), Dutch Republic (1581-1795), Batavian Republic (1795-1806), Kingdom of Holland (1806-1810), (Kingdom of the) Netherlands (after 1810).--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:56, 23 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: The Kingdom of England / Kingdom of Great Britain / UK isn't the best comparison, because those were not just changes in the name, but changes in the geographic boundaries of the nation. I'll do some more research though, and get back to you on this issue. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I approved the submission, and added the timelines you gave to the collection of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Chavey#Some_dates_of_country_names country names over time] that I keep. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:18, 26 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Street of Mars ==<br />
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FYI. Regarding ''The Street of Mars'' [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3042033 submission], new novel on hold presumably for uncertain genre, here are two pages that I found inconclusive<br />
* Amazon [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Street-Mars-Rosemary-Elizabeth-Jackson/dp/0701103620] --with cover image merely suggestive to me <br />
* ABEbooks [http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?an=jackson&bi=0&bx=off&ds=30&recentlyadded=all&sortby=17&sts=t&tn=street+of+mars] --none of five sellers 2016-05-24 gives any category but Fiction; one stated reprint shows the only bookseller image <br />
GoodReads shows no cover image, nor user review/summary. FantasticFiction does not show R.E. or Rosemary Elizabeth Jackson. <br />
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P.S. I doubt that writer [[Bio:R. E. Jackson]] is Rosemary Jackson {{a|148266}}. I suspect that ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' (1997) confuses them [http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=jackson_rosemary]. So I did not add webpage SFE to either author page. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:28, 24 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: The biography for R.E. Jackson on the front dj flap for "The Street of Mars" is fully consistent with the biographies of Rosemary Jackson provided by the Encyclopedia of Fantasy and by WorldCat. It is not, however, definitive. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:50, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Those two provide little and no biographical data. Anyway,<br />
:: Rosemary Jackson's memoir is forthcoming November per Amazon and so prompted I have located other definitive information, added it to their Bio wikipages mainly.<br />
:: Also based on your report of this title, R. E. Jackson's six novels are now "(three children's novels in the database, three non-genre)". Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:31, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Sounds good. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:11, 29 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== A Spell of Sleep ==<br />
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: ''second new section posted in one session -Pwendt''<br />
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You verified ''A Spell of Sleep'' {{p|485333}}. LC catalogue states ISBN and a different price. If not verified I would add this note, <br />
: LCCN: <a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/76380465">76-380465</a> "ISBN 0434928534 : £2.50"<br />
and thus neither change the price nor add a NewPub. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:38, 24 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Serpent ==<br />
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The cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269740 The Serpent] is Dave Pether, the art is shown on page 32 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?476549+f The Fantastic Planet]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 09:38, 29 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Enchanted Peacock and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hi. You verified both editions of this collection T{{t|1670727}} and noted "This edition is not known to WorldCat." (first, 136pp); "WorldCat only knows this edition." (expanded, 156pp)<br />
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[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/3963892 OCLC: 3963892] is a record of the first, evidently, although not very informative. I do not find any record of the first in LC Online Catalog, where the second is [https://lccn.loc.gov/25015383 LCCN 25-15383]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:29, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Price $1.25 for the first edition, from the publisher's advertisement that I noted in the Title record ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3079626 in the queue]). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:39, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you! I don't know why I didn't find that other OCLC record. A direct search for title and author only gives the 1925 record, but even 2 years ago I'm sure I knew about checking the "View all editions and formats" link, which gives two variations on the 1911 book (but still, neither with much information, and with a major disagreement on the page count). I'll correct those records. And thanks for finding that price. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:04, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: In trade, I see that you added "The Mermaid's Gift and Other Stories" to Julia Brown's bibliography. (Thanks! I need to get a copy of that.) I added the contents to that record, fixed up a weird error that was causing it to appear twice on Brown's bibliography page, and added the 1925 edition of the book. Interestingly enough, the illustrator for this book, Maginel Wright Enright, is the sister of Frank Lloyd Wright! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:47, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Outdent--because of change to a technical subject.<br><br />
Do you see that I added "The Mermaid's Gift" from distinctive format of my Notes? Or is the history available to you? (As I depart, The Mermaid's Gift is in fact the latest item in My Recent Edits, 18:22:39 NewPub Rkihara)<br />
: I could tell from the formatting, specifically from the "p9" instead of the more traditional "p. 9" for the page number. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:06, 30 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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The weird error is mine. I have not added many collections or chapbooks with shortfiction contents. Here I executed New Collection with the Collection also in the submitted Contents. Later I submitted TitleRemove for one of the two COLLECTION, with note that I am not sure of the method to fix it, "this is a test". <br />
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: Ah! That explains how that happened. When you add a Collection or Chapbook, the book is automatically added as part of the contents, and you don't need to add it your self. The unusual thing is that for a Chapbook you have to enter the equivalent ShortFiction item as a content item (but not the ChapBook itself), so it's easy to get confused. I ignored anything to do with Chapbooks for about my first 6 months here, because I didn't understand them :-) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:06, 30 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks and Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:06, 30 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Re above, "Maginel Wright Barney" is the canonical name of the ''Mermaid's Gift'' illustrator at WorldCat, LCCN, and HathiTrust but not so credited in the records for this work. So I submitted 2 TitleUpdate with the change to Enright which should eliminate Barney from the database. --confirmed before save; we have [[Bio:Maginel Wright Barney]] with no such Author<br />
::: I expanded the Bio note greatly at [[Bio:Maginel Wright Enright]], so that it is now more "Author" than "Bio" in scope. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:47, 25 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== A Modern Cinderella ==<br />
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Hi. You verified ''A Modern Cinderella'' P{{p|526151}} as "M. A. Donohoe" 1913.<br />
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The publisher is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?5249 M. A. Donohue & Co.]<br />
: LCCN: <a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/14009411">14-9411</a><br />
In contemporary newspapers I find no review, only one notice<br />
: Price from notice <i>The Sun</i> (Baltimore) 1913-09-07 pMS8<br />
: "(M. A. Donohue & Co., Chicago. Cloth. Illus, pp. 297. 75 cents.) "A charming child's story in which a little orphan finds a modern fairy godmother and a father instead of a prince."<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:59, 9 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: It is fairly common here to drop certain formalisms from the end of the publisher's name, e.g. "Co.", "Company", "LLC", etc. When I enter a publisher, I generally do a search on our publisher names to see which variants are in common use, and select one of them. That's what I did here. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:03, 28 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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'''Months later.''' I submitted for review the change of publisher from "M. A. Dono'''hoe'''" to "M. A. Dono'''hue''' & Co.", added the price with source Note, and other brief Notes. One of the latter with a date that may make clear this is another editor, but unsigned. Do you agree with the procedure? <br />
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"M. A. Donohue" is not in use here and I suppose that Dono'''hoe''' contains a typo for '''hue'''. Sorry if this is approved and needs to be reverted. I made some mistakes concerning Donahue/Donohue/Donohoe last hour, here and elsewhere, and revised this followup a couple of times.<br />
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Sorry about that, I should have stated in July that one issue is '''hoe''' and another is '''& Co.''' --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:22, 26 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Flower Princess ==<br />
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Added cover image & interior art record to {{P|565584|The Flower Princess}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:19, 10 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:04, 28 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Pending Submission ==<br />
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Hello, there are some submissions (by or holded by you) that "languish" in the queue. Can you have a look at them? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 09:07, 14 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Re-hello, perhaps that you didn't see this message. Can you clear the submission queue? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:47, 26 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: The submitter added the book based on its title, knowing nothing about the content of the book. I put it on hold until I could get a copy and skim it. I finally got a copy and have begun to read it. So far, it appears to be non-genre, although I haven't gotten to anything that would justify the title. If you wish, I can cancel the submission and then re-submit it if it appears genre when I get further. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:53, 28 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Chavey and [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] (does saving this link will generate a notice to Hauck?),<br />
::: Concerning ''The Street of Mars'' [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3042033 2016-05 submission 3042033], "My Pending Edits" now shows Reviewer:UNKNOWN, so I guess this one is no longer on hold. I never found more information about this one of R.E. Jackson's books, except the date and cover image at Amazon [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Street-Mars-R-Jackson/dp/0701103620]. The cover illustration is consistent with meaning "The Street of Ares" or "The Street of War". <br />
::: "the street(s) of Mars" both not found 2016-10-26 in automated search of multiple newspapers, numerous but chiefly US. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:13, 26 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== '''Nella Waits''' ==<br />
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Hi, added a cover image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?339788 Nella Waits]. When you got time, please check it out when my submission is okayed, and see if it matches yours. Mine is from the Book Club Edition, so it might be different. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:52, 15 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== King Kojo ==<br />
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Could I get you to double check the illustrator and cover artist for Ruth Plumly Thompson's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?504910 King Kojo]''. I believe that the last name "Thompson" may be incorrect and that she is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?141269 this artist] who usually goes simply by "Marge". In fact her [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marge_%28cartoonist%29 Wikipedia page] specifically mentions her as the illustrator for Thompson's novel. Perhaps you added Thompson from the author's name. I've got a couple of titles that should be varianted to the original cover including [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1156425 this one] of which we have a scan and I'm guessing matches the cover of your book. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:11, 25 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: You are absolutely correct, and I knew it when I entered that, so I don't understand how I made that mistake. But it's corrected now. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:57, 28 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Length for POEMs records ==<br />
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Hello, please avoid to enter a length for POEM-type texts as you recently did for issues <i>Twisted</i> magazine. There are now about 150 of them that must be cleaned up. Note that some of your own submissions (not the one on hold) are still in the queue. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 05:44, 30 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I didn't realize that caused a problem. I thought it was a useful way to distinguish regular poems from epic poems. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:48, 30 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Alex Schomburg vs Alex Shomburg ==<br />
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Hi, in your primary verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?243081 2000 A.D.: Illustrations from the Golden Age of Science Fiction Pulps] you have verified an illustration, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1913712 Thrilling Wonder Stories, December 1938] as being done by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?202200 Alex Shomburg]. Could that be a typo -either by the magazine or by you- for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1306 Alex Schomburg]?.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:38, 4 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Eva ==<br />
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Hi! I found that the three Corgi Freeway publications [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?12904 here] with the same ISBN number show different covers. I guess that's not logical. So I changed the first one. BLongley as verifier is not longer active. I knew that a discussion will coming up by that. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 05:48, 5 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: It seems very unlikely that Bill would have entered the wrong cover for a book that he owned. (A very slight possibility that he didn't enter a cover, and someone else later entered the wrong cover.) There do seem to be two different covers used for different printings of that edition of the book, but unless you have a source that's very clear about being the 3rd printing of that edition, the cover should not be changed. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:52, 5 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Blood Pact ==<br />
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You (rightly) commented on my complete failure to update Tanya Huff's Blood series correctly. I've rechecked and found that you had already created the 12th printing for {{P|293245|Blood Pact}}, so I've deleted my submission. I do have a scanned copy of the book, do you want me to add it? Also do you want me to add the DAW Collectors information? --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 10:16, 5 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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The same comments also apply to {{P|293246|Blood Price}}. I can supply new cover and add DAW Collectors number. That's if you trust me to get it right! --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 10:55, 5 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes, you should go ahead and add the extra information, and a scanned cover. More info is almost always good. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:27, 5 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Uncharted Stars ==<br />
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Another Ace double-use of a catalog #: [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?225913 1]] and [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?581587 2]]. Notes explain the difference. Cheers! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 19:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Tempest in a Teapot ==<br />
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{{T|1914922|Tempest in a Teapot}} (from your verfified pub) is currently credited to {{A|Bob Johnson}}. However, that author is listed as being born in 1950 and the essay is from 1949. There is also a {{A|Bob Johnson (I)|233802}} that is active around the same time as the essay. Is there anything in the essay to ascertain the second author is the correct one? The essay needs to either be moved over to the second author or a new "Bob Johnson (II)". Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:22, 14 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Masterpieces of Fantasy and Wonder ==<br />
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I asked MLB a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MLB#Barrie_excerpts question] about the Barrie excerpts in ''Masterpieces of Fantasy and Wonder'', and they replied that they didn't know about it. Since you also verified that anthology, could you chime in-- especially if it was you who decided to give the excerpts titles like "The Thrush's Nest (excerpt)". Thanks --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha77]] 23:22, 3 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Grandi "Opera" Nord ==<br />
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Hi, searching for an [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?29379 Editrice Nord] publication I found out there are 2 Series: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1638 Grandi Opere] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?4046 Grandi Opera] that differ only by the ending char. I think this is simply a typo. Since you're the primary verification for the only publication in OperA, would you update this record or may I do it for you? --[[User:Orcolat|Orcolat]] 07:28, 8 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Houghton Mifflin and Company ==<br />
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Hi. You verified The Flower Princess P{{p|565584}} as by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?56196 Publisher "Houghton Mifflin and Company"], one of three such records in the database as I write. Presumably the title page shows a comma, and perhaps also an abbreviation, as do the 1902[http://hdl.handle.net/2027/hvd.32044004992863?urlappend=%3Bseq=11] and 1907 publications in the database for that Publisher as I write.<br />
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Today I submitted (in the queue as I depart) both a Note at Publisher: Houghton Mifflin and revisions of the 1902 and 1907 publication records from "Houghton Mifflin and Company" to "Houghton Mifflin" (in heavy use 1884 to 2008). If these are accepted, The Flower Princess will be the only "Houghton Mifflin and Company" publication in the database. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:23, 20 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: '''Months later.''' For ''The Flower Princess'', I submitted the change of publisher name to "Houghton Mifflin", evidently the canonical name here. The other, which has neither Notes nor wikipage, will disappear from the database. For Publisher [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?137 Houghton Mifflin], I submitted a Note that attests the 1902 imprint with one line "Houghton, Mifflin and Co." --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:05, 26 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Oops. Yesterday I composed both as stated, but neglected to submit the Publication update. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3206735 Done today]. I have seen the title page <u>artist logo (initials PSH)</u> somewhere and will try to remember to return to this one when I see them again. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:53, 28 October 2016 (UTC) <u>revised</u>--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:37, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Journey to Apriloth / Journey to Aprilioth ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you check your copy of that book ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267429 Journey to Aprilioth]) and verify if the publication name really should miss an "i" compared to the cover and the title record? If that is the case, maybe we need a note in the record on the difference? I will post notes for the other 2 PVs that are still active and to the person that did the secondary verifications in case they have access to their sources.(PV1 and PV5 are inactive). [[User:Anniemod|Anniemod]] 08:06, 2 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:The 'i' is present in the book. I corrected the title. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:49, 2 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you (I agree). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:38, 21 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Wanderground: Stories of the Hill Women ==<br />
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Hi, I've imported content for your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254533 The Wanderground: Stories of the Hill Women].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 00:40, 5 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Novels of less than 80 pages ==<br />
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Hello, can you please fix [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?79 this batch of novels] that you entered (or modified) and that appears on one of our cleanup reports. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 09:32, 12 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Please see this matter, these titles are siiting in the cleanup report for some time now. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:19, 17 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Apparently corrected by someone. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:36, 21 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Introduction (Novacious #1) ==<br />
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{{T|2036762|Introduction (Novacious #1)}} is currently listed as shortfiction. Should this be an essay? If not, please add notes regarding ity actually being a story for future reference. Also, please see [[User talk:Chavey#Tempest in a Teapot]] from August which is still waiting a reply. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 01:04, 20 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:36, 21 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ISBNs for "Regal Crest" publishers ==<br />
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Publisher website: [http://regalcrest.biz/books.php Here].<br />
Authors completed: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?136820 R.G. Emanuelle], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?S._Y._Thompson S. Y. Thompson], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?141394 Damian Serbu], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?240753 Verda Foster].<br />
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Fixer's remaining catch:<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619290648 9781619290648] ''Faultless'' by Cleo Dare (Quest by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619290709 9781619290709] ''Regardless'' by Sharon Poppen (Silver Dragon Books by RC)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619291164 9781619291164] ''Shadowstalkers'' by Sky Croft (Mystic Books by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619291171 9781619291171] ''Shadowstalkers'' by Sky Croft (Mystic Books by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619291799 9781619291799] ''Amazonia: An Impossible Choice'' by Sky Croft (Regal Crest Enterprises: Yellow Rose Books)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619291539 9781619291539] ''Return of an Impetuous Pilot (RIP Van Dyke Series)'' by Kate McLachlan (Regal Crest Enterprises, LLC)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619291591 9781619291591] ''The Gardener of Aria Manor'' by A.L. Duncan (Regal Crest Enterprises, LLC)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292444 9781619292444] ''Scythian Fields - Part One'' by A. L. Duncan (Mystic Books by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292451 9781619292451] ''Scythian Fields, Part One'' by A.L. Duncan (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292802 9781619292802] ''Scythian Fields - Part Two'' by A L Duncan (Mystic Books by Rce)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292819 9781619292819] ''Scythian Fields Part Two'' by A.L. Duncan (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619291973 9781619291973] ''Lindsay, Jo and the Tree of Forever (Lindsay and Jo Book 2)'' by J.S. Frankel (Regal Crest Enterprises, LLC)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619291652 9781619291652] ''Lindsay Versus the Marauders (Lindsay and Jo)'' by JS Frankel (Regal Crest Enterprises Young Adult Books)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292390 9781619292390] ''Lindsay, Jo and the Well of Nevermore (Lindsay and Jo Book 3)'' by J.S. Frankel (Regal Crest Enterprises, LLC)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292512 9781619292512] ''What She Saw'' by J.S. Frankel (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619291416 9781619291416] ''Twisted'' by J.S. Frankel (Regal Crest Enterprises, LLC)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619291898 9781619291898] ''Partners: Book Two'' by Melissa Good (Regal Crest Enterprises, Silver Dragon Books)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053002 9781935053002] ''Hurricane Watch'' by Melissa Good (Yellow Rose by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053286 9781935053286] ''Storm Surge: Part 1: Book 8 in the Dar & Kerry Series'' by Melissa Good (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053750 9781935053750] ''Tropical Storm: The 2010 Author Edition (The Dar & Kerry Series)'' by Melissa Good (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053767 9781935053767] ''Hurricane Watch: Book 2 in the Dar & Kerry Series - Author's Cut'' by Melissa Good (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292468 9781619292468] ''Natural Order'' by Moondancer Drake (Mystic Books by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292475 9781619292475] ''Natural Order: Daughters of the Goddess'' by Moondancer Drake (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292765 9781619292765] ''Shadow Magic'' by Moondancer Drake (Mystic Books by Rce)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292772 9781619292772] ''Shadow Magic (Heartbeat of the Earth Book 1)'' by Moondance Drake(Regal Crest Books)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292543 9781619292543] ''Pulse Points'' by Barbara Valletto (Mystic Books by Rce)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292550 9781619292550] ''Pulse Points'' by Barbara Valletto (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292666 9781619292666] ''Everlong'' by Barbara Valletto (Mystic Books by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292673 9781619292673] ''Everlong'' by Barbara Valletto (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292079 9781619292079] ''To Dream'' by Paula Offutt (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300741 9781932300741] ''Butch Girls Can Fix Anything'' by Paula Offutt (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292239 9781619292239] ''Reflections of Fate'' by Pat Cronin (Regal Crest Enterprises, LLC)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292529 9781619292529] ''Chaos Beneath the Moonbeams'' by Sharon G Clark (Mystic Books by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053347 9781935053347] ''Into The Mist'' by Sharon G. Clark (Regal Crest Enterprises (Quest Books))<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292536 9781619292536] ''Chaos Beneath the Moonbeams: Book One of the Chaos Series'' by Sharon G. Clark (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292741 9781619292741] ''Stranger Than Fiction'' by Jeanine Hoffman (Mystic Books by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292758 9781619292758] ''Stranger Than Fiction'' by Jeanine Hoffman (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292864 9781619292864] ''The Wittering Way'' by Nat Burns (Mystic Books by Rce)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292871 9781619292871] ''The Wittering Way'' by Nat Burns (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292888 9781619292888] ''Beyond the Screen Door'' by Julia Diana Robertson (Mystic Books by Rce)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619292895 9781619292895] ''Beyond the Screen Door'' by Julia Diana Robertson (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781627508391 9781627508391] ''Sorrowlands: Flora and the Demi-Gods'' by Iris Woodbury (Mystic Books)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781627508407 9781627508407] ''Blood on the Wall'' by Samantha Stein (Mystic Books)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781627508414 9781627508414] ''Spawn of Babylon'' by Carol Storm (Mystic Books)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781627509749 9781627509749] ''Juliana and the Wolf'' by Carol Storm (Mystic Books)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781627509350 9781627509350] ''The Legend of Blackhawk Manor'' by Anna Kristell (Mystic Books)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300512 9781932300512] ''The Three'' by Meghan O'Brien (Quest)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300642 9781932300642] ''Pipeline'' by Brenda Adcock (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300772 9781932300772] ''Reiko's Garden'' by Brenda Adcock (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300864 9781932300864] ''Redress of Grievances: A Harriett Markham/Jessie Raines Case File'' by Brenda Adcock (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053101 9781935053101] ''The Sea Hawk'' by Brenda Adcock (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053194 9781935053194] ''Tunnel Vision'' by Brenda Adcock (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300680 9781932300680] ''Echoes From The Mist'' by Blayne Cooper (Quest)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300727 9781932300727] ''And Playing the Role of Herself'' by K. E. Lane (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300840 9781932300840] ''Breaking Jaie'' by S. Renée Bess (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053378 9781935053378] ''The Butterfly Moments'' by S. Renée Bess (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300901 9781932300901] ''In the Blood'' by Rick R Reed (Quest)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781932300963 9781932300963] ''Deadly Vision'' by Rick R. Reed (Quest)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053057 9781935053057] ''Angel Land'' by Victor J Banis (Quest by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053125 9781935053125] ''A Question of Integrity (The Jess Maddocks Series)'' by Megan Magill (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053248 9781935053248] ''A Question of Courage (The Jess Maddocks Series)'' by Megan Magill (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053163 9781935053163] ''Twenty-four Days'' by Janet Albert (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053170 9781935053170] ''Struck'' by Keith Pyeatt (Quest by RCE)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053200 9781935053200] ''Piperton'' by Carrie Carr (Regal Crest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053279 9781935053279] ''A Table For Two'' by Janet Albert (Regal Crest)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781935053415 9781935053415] ''And Those Who Trespass Against Us'' by Helen M. Macpherson (RegalCrest Enterprises)<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/s?search-alias=stripbooks&field-isbn=9781619290747 9781619290747] ''Universal Guardians: The Royal Descendant'' by Michele Coffman (Silver Dragon Books by RC)<br />
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Amazon's search links are a bit flaky and may take you to the Kindle version even if the ISBN belongs to the paper version. It shouldn't really matter since Amazon pages show links to all other editions. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:17, 25 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Publisher of "The House on Mango Street" ==<br />
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FYI, the name of the publisher of your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?502791 ''The House on Mango Street''] has been changed from "Arte Publico Press" to "Arte Público Press". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 21:42, 25 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Followup by User:Pwendt ==<br />
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Above I have posted some followup<br />
# [[#Pending Submission]], cf. [[#The Street of Mars]] --one you reviewed<br />
# [[#A Modern Cinderella]] --submitted change to one you verified<br />
# [[#Houghton Mifflin and Company]] --submitted change to one you verified --completed one day later --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:54, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:41, 26 October 2016 (UTC) [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:06, 26 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Ad[v]entures of Merrywink ==<br />
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Title {{t|1597391}}<br><br />
Hi. All of the Merrywink records show the mis-spelling "Adentures". I don't know an efficient sequence to change them all and one of the publications is yours so I pass this to you. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:51, 17 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks much for noticing that! I've fixed the various records that needed correction. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:57, 17 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Grand Opere/Opera series. ==<br />
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Hi. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Verification_requests#Grandi_.22Opera.22_Nord this]. It looks like you're the primary verifier of the pub on the one not like the others. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:20, 24 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Magazine logic (Bug 637) ==<br />
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This isn't exactly a bug, more like an obscure and hard to explain feature. At one point we went back and forth on the solution. The current implementation was the best compromise we could come up with.<br />
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The underlying problem is that some EDITOR titles can contain the search string even though the series name doesn't. Let's consider what happened when you searched for "New Worlds Science Fiction". The search found [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=New+Worlds+Science&type=Magazine the following 3 results]:<br />
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* New Worlds Science Fiction *<br />
* New Worlds Science Fiction (US)<br />
* New Worlds Science Fiction - January *<br />
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The first thing to note is the asterisks next to the first and third matches. As the note displayed on the results page says:<br />
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* The search results displayed below include all series AND magazine title records that match the entered value. Matching magazines whose series titles do not match the entered value have asterisks next to their titles.<br />
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Let's take a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?21573 ''Series: New Worlds Magazine'']. If the search logic was limited to looking for "New Worlds Science Fiction" in series names, it would find "New Worlds Science Fiction (US)" but not the original UK-based "New Worlds Magazine". However, 11 EDITOR records belonging to the UK series ''do'' have "New Worlds Science Fiction" in their titles, so it makes sense to show them.<br />
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Once we made the decision to include these EDITOR records in search results, we had to decide how we wanted to display them. We had two choices -- either create a separate section for them or try to incorporate them into the main display. A separate section would have made things clear, but it could potentially contain dozens of EDITOR records. In the end we adopted the second approach, tweaked the logic to combine similarly named EDITOR records (which doesn't always work 100% correctly -- see the "January" outlier that you found) and added asterisks.<br />
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In retrospect, it may have been better to have two separate sections and just accept the fact that the second section would be lengthy at time. What do you think? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:36, 25 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Crystal Singer ==<br />
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Your verified copy of {{P|37694|The Crystal Singer}} gives <I>Rob Burt</I> as the cover artist. What was the source of this name? Was it listed on the cover or on the copyright page or from somewhere else? --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 11:12, 27 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Des Geschlecht der Magier ==<br />
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Image URL found for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436242 this pub]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 22:13, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Saved by the Belle'' ==<br />
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I happened to stumble across the listing for the anthology ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?433071 Saved by the Belle]'' which you added to the DB-- being as the stories are all public domain and all available online (thanks, Google Books and magazine archives!) I read some of them and skimmed others. It's a cool & interesting anthology, giving a glimpse of the ways writers imagined women being intrepid in the early 1900s. I particularly liked the one about the telephone operator; a bit sentimental but energetic nonetheless, and a glimpse of a way that new communication technology felt in a very different age from ours. Anyhow, the reason I'm writing to you is that none of these stories is speculative except for the ghost story "The Shell of Sense" and "Buried Treasures." Do you want to remove the others from the listing? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 02:20, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: I'm gonna go ahead and do this tomorrow unless you object. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 18:53, 30 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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:: I have no memory of having added that. I didn't verify it, and I don't own it. I suspect it was something that Charles Waugh asked me to add for him, but I think he just likes to have all of his anthologies included. My guess is that you should delete most of the stories, but leave in the book and the two stories you see as speculative. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:21, 1 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::: Thanks. I have twice asked Mr. Waugh to please only add speculative content, or at least mark things NG, but gotten no reply. This isn't an all-fiction database and I don't have time to look through all of his anthologies myself... --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 08:46, 1 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Le Guin's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101051 Dreams Must Explain Themselves] ==<br />
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Hello, Darrah!<br />
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Can you reach your copy easily, as there turned up some associated questions: <br />
:1) Could you describe the interior art (as I presume that it was previously published in Algol)?<br />
:2) Is the map by John Bush also the one that accompanies the classic novels of Earthsea? (We could finally identify the artist for that one).<br />
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For now, I have added the extra page to the page count and a note on the date of publication.<br />
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Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:36, 11 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Tepper's ''The Gate to Women's Country'' ==<br />
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Re the note you added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40404 this record]. What evidence is there that the "print run was too large"? There's nothing "apparent" in the book to indicate this, and I question the both the validity and the necessity for this speculative portion of the note. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:21, 13 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Fanzines list - an update ==<br />
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I noticed you have done a lot of editing on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Fanzines fanzines] page. I just added a reference to Temple University's holdings. It seems they collect them and they are available for research. Ran across it looking for a source of FOSFAX information. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:00, 14 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes, it's one of the several libraries I use to check on fanzine data: Duke (Edwin and Terry Murray Fanzine Collection); Arizona (Anthony Boucher Fanzine Collection); Harvard (William Wilson Goodson and Paul S. Clarkson collections); Miami (Lenny Kaye SF Fanzine collection); Iowa (M. Horvat Science Fiction Fanzines Collection); UC-Riverside (Eaton Science Fiction Collection); Temple (Paskow Science Fiction Collection); Maryland (Coslet-Sapienza F & SF Fanzine Collection); and Texas A&M (Mike Hall/Chester Cuthbert Fanzine Collection); and New Brunswick's (unnamed) collection. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 10:01, 15 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Secret Garden (US) ==<br />
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For the presumed 1st ed. 2nd printing that you verified, I now submit change to the publisher full name Frederick A. Stokes Company. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3262498 This] will eliminate the short name from the database when approved. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:24, 15 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Ok with me. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:15, 16 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Change of "Birthstone Gothic" from pub series to title series ==<br />
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Hi. It appears the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3073 Birthstone Gothic] pub series ought to be a title series, the shared element being the stone. This change would affect one or more of your verified pubs. Are you ok with it? I am cross-posting this message to other primary verifiers. For a little more detail, see [[User_talk:MLB#The_Amethyst_Tears_publisher]]. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:41, 28 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I have no problem with that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:23, 28 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Typos 30-Dec ==<br />
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The following are possible typos in your verified pubs:<br />
* biographis - {{T|1319226|Readercon Committee Biographis}} in {{P|294777|Readercon 5 Program Book}}<br />
* foreward - {{T|1803173|Foreward (The Soulforge)}} in {{P|31332|The Soulforge}}<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 03:34, 31 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Epilogue to "the Lottery" ==<br />
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Ironically given the message you just posted about the prologue to ''Frankenstein'', you've made a similar mistake -- the Epilogue to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?490542 The Lottery and Other Stories]'' has "from James Harris, the Daemon Lover" written at the end, and you wrote down the author as Shirley Jackson and James Harris. But actually, this is an excerpt from a traditional ballad [Child #243, Text F] titled "James Harris, the Daemon Lover". If it's all right with you, I'm going to change the author to uncredited (with a note). --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 20:32, 3 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: No problem! Thanks for catching that. Although I think it was probably someone else who listed that content item -- at least I don't remember doing it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:41, 3 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:: That's good. Also you verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?245125 this one] where it's credited to Shirley Jackson. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 20:44, 3 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Kissing Sin ==<br />
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I corrected the cover artist for {{P|296722|Kissing Sin}} with notes... [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 00:28, 24 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you. That cover is credited within the books as "Cover design by Jae Song". But you are certainly correct on the identification from Stephen Youll's web site. Song may have ''designed'' it, but Youll clearly did the actual art. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:21, 24 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Il Libro d'Oro ==<br />
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Hello. This just to tell you I have normalized the name of this pub series in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?497730 your verified]. Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 14:38, 25 January 2017 (UTC).<br />
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: Thank you. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:58, 26 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding Gender to Author Edit ==<br />
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I've brought up the issue of adding gender identification to the author edits again in the Community Portal. If you're still interested you might want to comment.--[[User:Rkihara|Rkihara]] 18:34, 4 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. I've joined in. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:14, 4 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The bunch of Edward Letter Rosicks ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you check in your verified "Twisted, #5, Summer 1989" if {{A|Edward D. Rosick}} is not yet another spelling for {{A|Edward R. Rosick}}? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:13, 14 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: I can't tell. It's listed as "Edward D." in both the table of contents and at the poem. Edward R. only has one published poem, in the year before this one, which would support a guess that they're the same person, but that's pretty weak evidence. Unfortunately, I don't own the issue of Pandora that has Edward R.'s poem, so I can't compare them by style. That zine is on my "want list", but until we can get some additional evidence, we're best to leave them separate, and add a note on the Edward D. poem that it may be the same author as ... [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:02, 15 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:: OK, sounds like they will need to stay separated. For now. Thanks for looking! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 15 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Holly Tibiri vs Holly Tiberi ==<br />
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Hi in your primary (transient) verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55995 Aberrations #18, March 1994] you attribute [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2145395 Hi There, You!] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?246257 Holly Tibiri]. Can that be a typo for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27309 Holly Tiberi], now known as Holly Tiberi-Monti?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:49, 18 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: It must be, since "both" of these artists drew for Aberrations (although "Tiberi" drew for it when they misspelled their own title!). The art has no signature, only the initials "HT", and the contents list her as "Tibiri", so we should leave it that way, but I set "Holly Tibiri" to be a pseudonym for "Holly Tiberi". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:00, 19 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Gulliver's Travels ==<br />
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Re Signet Classic #CD14 Gulliver's Travels T{{t|2122338}}. Last month you verified the 5th printing and perhaps also entered the 1st printing identically.<br />
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1. Only one should have the February 1960 date, if i understand correctly. <br />
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:: Thank you for catching that. I had cloned the existing 1st printing, and neglected to correct the print date. I have done so now.<br />
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2. I made the interiorart by Charles Brock a variant of that by C.E. Brock (original date unknown at the moment). There is a 21st century Charles Brock in the database and C.E. Brock will not commonly be credited as "Charles Brock", so the pseudonym should probably be differentiated parenthetically.<br />
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:: Fine with me. The credit on the book is "Charles Brock".<br />
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: 3. Did you create our cover image. It shows price 50c at upper left. --PWendt 22:19<br />
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:: That is the correct cover for the fifth printing, and I've added the price to that listing. I have no idea if it's the correct cover for the first printing. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:15, 24 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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(On the second point, a moderator might take action.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:17, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A Matter of Seggri ==<br />
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Would you mind double checking {{T|938587|A Matter of Seggri}}? You have both verifications for pubs containing this story. It is usually credited as {{T|40605|The Matter of Seggri}}. Looking at the Amazon Look Inside of the 2008 ''Flying Cups and Saucers'', the TOC shows "The". It should be merged or varianted as appropriate. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 03:38, 1 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: You're correct. I checked the title page as well, to make sure that it wasn't a disagreement between the TOC and the story itself, but they both have "The" (as does the original editor's draft for the book). I updated the title and merged it with the other version. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:25, 4 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Joan VanderPutten ==<br />
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In {{P|580122|Twisted, #5, Summer 1989}}, the story on page 69 is credited as "Joan VanderPutten". She is usually credited as {{A|Joan Vander Putten}}. Would you please double check the space and set up a pseudonym if truly not present? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:29, 5 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Very definitely without the space, in both the TOC and at the story page. So I set up the variant. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 09:27, 8 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Magic City ==<br />
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Hi, You verified the 1947 Benn ed. {{p|460839}}. From the image we now display, I doubt that the COVERART is by Millar, as are the interior illustrations probably (altho Benn is the 1948/49 publisher of three Five Children novels with new illustrations by J.S. Goodall). Perhaps you entered interiorart as coverart?<br />
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Millar illustrated the 1st ed. of this novel as a book, but <i>The Strand</i> serial was illustrated by Gerald Spencer Pryse. View e-copy at HathiTrust, chapter 1 with 3 illustrations [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015086870485?urlappend=%3Bseq=118 39:1 p108] and [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015086870485?urlappend=%3Bseq=7 v39 Index].<br />
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--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:06, 7 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Story of the Amulet (Looking Glass Library) ==<br />
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You verified Looking Glass Library #18 ''The Story of the Amulet'' P{{p|440181}}.<br />
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Amazon.com now provides for [https://www.amazon.com/story-amulet-E-Nesbit/dp/B007HDY1TY ASIN: B007HDY1TY] 5 images of what should be your book. The cover image may be useful. But at least one image shows work by another artist evidently. Another image there is the title page, which fits your linked WorldCat record: "Looking Glass Library; distributed by Random House". <br />
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Does your book state "Published by Epstein & Carroll ..." on the copyright page? <br />
(Yesterday I added the Notes at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?49530 Publisher: Epstein & Carroll]. I plan soon to Note appropriately at Publisher: Looking Glass Library and at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?163 Publication series LGL] --after the 1960 publication is moved, I hope its verifier agrees.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:53, 10 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Secret Garden ==<br />
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You entered ''The Secret Garden'' T{{t|13434}}, 1st and 2nd printings (US)<br />
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1. Evidently both were issued August 1911. You note of the 2nd, "We do not suggest that the date of "August 31" is accurate, rather we use that day to place these two printings in the proper order." That doesn't work unless you also give an earlier day of the month for the 1st printing, because "1911-08-00" follows all of the complete dates.<br />
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2. The illustrator signature must be "M. L. Kirk.", as you note possible, not Kick. That name version is already in the database {{a|M. L. Kirk}} for ''Annotated Alice'' credits. She is in the Library of Congress catalog as illustrator of numerous famous works (Canterbury, Gulliver) not including ''The Secret Garden''. See Formats and Editions of The secret garden at WorldCat [https://www.worldcat.org/title/secret-garden/oclc/557480207/editions?start_edition=41&sd=asc&referer=di&se=yr&editionsView=true&fq=].<br />
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<s>Wikipedia ''The Secret Garden'' now credits "M. B. Kirk" in passing and does not credit the British illustrations (Charles Robinson). That's on my list but not at the top. --Pwendt 18:27</s> <br />
: Done barely, with ISFDB as cited source altho the record is not yet revised here. <br />
: Also I should cite Encyclopedia of Fantasy entry "Secret Garden" [http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=secret_garden]. --Pwendt 20:53<br />
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P.S. What HathiTrust provides for this title, with copyright page that shows Stokes logo and "August 1911" [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015002311556?urlappend=%3Bseq=8], contains no illustrations through page 54. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 18 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?382129 Das Nibelungenbuch] ==<br />
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Hi, I normalized the publisher and the price for this publication. As Deutsche Nationalbibliothek also lists a publication for 1923 (the first printing), yours may well be the second printing with a print run of 15,000 copies ('16. - 30. Tsd.'). Is there any hint for this? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:44, 2 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Automatic user notification? ==<br />
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Hi. You replied to Hauck and me at [[User talk:Pwendt#Adding fictive days in publication date]] concerning <i>The Secret Garden</i> 1st ed. Did my provision there of an active link to your user talk space generate a notice to you? (I know of that feature at Wikipedia. Here I provide a link partly to test whether that generates notice to me.) Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:59, 4 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: No, I didn't get any automatic notification. Because of other threads, Hauck's talk page is on my Watch List, so I noticed the post. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:00, 6 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Over the Nonsense Road ==<br />
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Hi, Your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?608225 Over the Nonsense Road] contains interior art contributed to {{A|F. Strothman}}. Could you please check that? If it is the case it is a variant name for {{A|F. Strothmann}} (1872-1958), who is mentioned in the worldcat record for this title.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:26, 5 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: It was a typo. I have corrected it to "Strothmann". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]]<br />
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== Changes to The Book of Night With Moon ==<br />
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I have made some changes to {{P|165361|The Book of Night with Moon}}. Imported contents to match verified {{P|36345|trade-paperback}} and {{P|275127|SF Book Club}} versions, added un-numbered pages in front because of those contents, and added more details to Notes. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 03:48, 8 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Tempest by Dulac and Hodder & Stoughton ==<br />
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P{{p|476393}} is now publication ''The Comedy of the Tempest'' of chapbook and shortfiction both with the same title. The cited WorldCat library records (3) are not decisive concerning the title and say nothing about which version is the dramatic or prose fiction content.<br />
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This is the 2nd annual Christmas book from Dulac and Hodder & Stoughton --that first line of the publication Notes is my insertion months ago-- and is called ''Shakespeare's Comedy of the Tempest'' in the Dulac entry at ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy''. The Dulac biography at Wikipedia says, "In 1908, Edmund Dulac produced an edition of ''Shakespeare's Comedy of The Tempest'' with a scholarly plot summary and commentary by Arthur Quiller-Couch, lavishly bound and illustrated with 40 watercolour illustrations."<br />
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At the moment, the shortfiction is a database variant of ''The Winter's Tale'' while the chapbook and coverart are variants of ''The Tempest, or, The Enchanted Island'', which is the Dryden and Davenant dramatic adaptation of Shakespeare's play. Do you know or vaguely recall anything from Bloomsbury that pertains to adaptation? (At the moment I don't even know whether this gift book version of Shakespeare, and others of that time, contain a play or prose.) <br />
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I will look for this in 1908 newspapers but not do much on these gift books soon. I do think we should be able to make Dulac both cover and interior illustrator of each book in the series, without having a citation for each. The only question is what to say, perhaps in notes on a new Series. For this publication now, Dulac is cover artist only. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:27, 19 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Your two OCLC records give heading/title "The Tempest" and "The Comedy of the Tempest". Neither is clearly dated 1908, nor do I find a WorldCat record for publication as "Shakespeare's Comedy of the Tempest" clearly dated 1908. One contemporary newspaper item gives that full title; several do not. Several ABEbooks dealers use that full title, and show that it was the front cover title. Clute/Grant give that full title also. So I am underway using that title for the 1908 chapbook and its illustrations. <br />
: ... Several submissions approved, so Dulac now has cover and interior art titles "Shakespeare's Comedy of the Tempest", and all title relationships with ''The Winter's Tale'' and ''The Tempest, or, The Enchanted Island'' are undone/replaced as appropriate, I think. <br />
: More Tempest submissions in the queue ... To be continued when I have access to the newspapers again. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:59, 28 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
:: For the 1926 edition under parent title The Tempest your notes and cited oclc record do not support artist credit as Mary Grabhorn. From my phone --Pwendt<br />
::: Yes they do. Hence the note "Data from Mugwump Books". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:17, 29 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Iron Hut" ==<br />
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One of the stories in your verified pub ''Sword and Mythos'', [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1848579 "The Iron Hut"], was 7,100 words long [http://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/fiction/the-iron-hut/ when it appeared in ''Lightspeed''] even though you had it down as a novelette. I've changed it, I hope that's okay. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 03:50, 21 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: If you've got a word count, that's more accurate than my page count. Thanks for the correction! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:17, 21 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Bob Johnson ==<br />
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In your {{P|463520|The National Fantasy Fan, Vol. 8, #5, November 1949}}, there is an essay on page 10 credited to {{A|Bob Johnson}}. However, it was published in 1949 and the Johnson's birth date is given as 1950. We also have a {{A|Bob Johnson (I)|233802}} that edited a fanzine around the same time the letter was published. Given it's a common name, is there anything in the letter that would suggest that it's Bob Johnson (I) or a third Bob Johnson? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:02, 30 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: That issue doesn't seem to be with my other NFF's, so I'll have to wait until I can look through some other boxes. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:51, 2 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
::No problem. In the mean time, I've updated the credit to Bob Johnson (I) since it cannot be the non-disambiguted one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:55, 2 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
::: I agree with that decision, and when I find my missing fanzines, I'll see if I can get any more info from that essay. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:41, 2 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Arlan Andrews, Sr. ==<br />
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I am changing the canonical name for Arlan Andrews, Sr.; this will affect some verified pubs of yours, such as an issue of ''Yearnings''. [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 15:44, 2 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Bride of the Isles" ==<br />
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In your verified publication ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?300997 The Shilling Shockers]'', you have "The Bride of the Isles" as a short story. However, another publication verified by others, ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?535475 The Vampire Omnibus]'', has it as a novelette. Can you figure out which is correct? Thanks. (I have also changed some title capitalization in that publication.) --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 02:29, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Ashley &amp; Contento list it as a novelette, so we might as well. The page count, of 25 pp, certainly implies that it's a novelette, but my impression was that it was a publication without very many words per page, so I listed it as a short story. Maybe sometime I'll get around to doing an actual word count. I haven't found it in electronic format, so I don't think I can get a computer word count. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:05, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I have seen your edit and am startled by the attribution to Byron. If I understand rightly, this anonymously-published Blue Book piece was a prose version of James Robinson Planché's play ''The Vampire, or The Bride of the Isles'', which in turn was inspired by Polidori's ''The Vampyre'', which had been wrongly attributed to Byron. Now, what the ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' says is this: "...the anonymous ''The Bride of the Isles: A Tale Founded on the Popular Legend of the Vampire by Lord Byron'' (1820 chap), taken from James Robinson Planché's loose dramatization of John Polidori's ''The Vampyre: A Tale'' (1819)..." In other words, the cover of the chapbook, as reported by EoF, attributes the "Legend of the Vampire" to Byron, not this work. Does Milly Williamson give any better reason? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 21:48, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::: Williamson says that the original blue book adaptation of it credited Lord Byron -- [https://books.google.com/books?id=eZ8MX4OUu2IC&pg=PA52&dq=&quot;the+story+to+Lord+Byron&quot; here] is the reference. Looking a little further though, [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/13101928 WorldCat] lists this attribution, but says it is in error. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:22, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I think Williamson must have been misreading "A Tale [Founded on [the Popular Legend of the Vampire by Lord Byron]]" as "A Tale [Founded on the Popular Legend of the Vampire] by Lord Byron." Admittedly an easy mistake to make, if you don't keep in mind that whoever composed that title thought Byron wrote ''The Vampyre''.--[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 23:36, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Since WorldCat lists the bluebook with Lord Byron as the attributed author, I don't think Williamson was misreading it. The bluebook itself must claim it was written by Byron. Which makes it interesting to figure out how to list it. The bluebook itself should, probably, be listed with Lord Byron as the author, and then variant ''that'' to "anonymous", which is the opposite direction of what we normally do with "anonymous". I've got about 20 of those early 1800 bluebooks (only [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1587172 one of which] I've entered), but this is not one of the ones I have. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:46, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Worldcat isn't infallible... this is certainly an interesting and tricky case. It sure would be nice to look at the original, wouldn't it? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 23:54, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Yes it would! But they're fairly rare, especially in the US. There are several good collections in the UK, but here in the states the only substantial collections I know about are mine, a set of 13 at [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/38493831 UCLA], and a set of 48 at [http://search.lib.virginia.edu/catalog/u4352483 The Univ. of Virginia]. None of these collections contains this particular bluebook. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:07, 11 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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As of today, I have made some changes to the note on the Anonymous title record, and varianted the James Robinson Planché record to the Byron title record. I hope you (as the specialist in this era) will straighten it out further, but this should help a bit. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 00:26, 19 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== R. Titel & K. Goldschnitt ==<br />
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Hi, I'd like you to remove both these non-persons from the database. Phew! That sounds harsh. But "R. Titel" is in fact the red title on the book, and "K. Goldschnitt" the gilded page topping ([https://www.ilab.org/eng/glossary/deu/197-kopfgoldschnitt.html Kopfgoldschnitt]).--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:42, 18 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Will do! I obviously misunderstood the translation Google gave me. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:31, 19 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:: Looks like you removed the publication, "R. Titel" and "K. Goldschnitt" are still around.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:04, 19 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
:::I've removed the title so the authors have now disappeared.[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:51, 19 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
:::: Thank you, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 13:09, 19 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Impossible Stories II ==<br />
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Hi, I slightly altered your notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?307380 Impossible Stories II]. I made it 5 parts instead of 4, and gave each part a number (you had written out 'three' and 'four').--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 11:53, 21 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: No objection. The written out numbers came from WorldCat. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:20, 21 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== update to ''The Other Side of the Mirror'' ==<br />
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I am about to change the title of your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44940 The Other Side of the Mirror] to what's on the title page: ''The Other Side of the Mirror and Other Darkover Stories''. [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 04:30, 28 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A batch of nongenre stories - if you disagree please comment ==<br />
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Currently there are numerous non-genre horror stories that are in the database because it's natural to just enter a book of horror or "tales of terror" without figuring out which stories are supernatural. I don't intend to systematically hunt for them, but when I spot one, I like to mark it nongenre. (In the case of classic stories, marking is better than removing it from the database because it'll just get re-added with some new anthology.) At the moment, I've spotted the following stories that I think need such a change, and I'm consulting people who have them in their verified pubs.<br />
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Firstly, there's ''Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural'' (verified copies: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517709 (1)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289442 (2)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?415777 (3)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?435921 (4)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366609 (5)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?446362 (6)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?577863 (7)]), which contains "A Terribly Strange Bed," "The Three Strangers," "The Most Dangerous Game," "Leiningen Versus the Ants," "A Rose for Emily," "Taboo," and undoubtedly other non-supernatural ones that I'm not noticing at the moment. Here are verified publications for those and some other stories:<br />
* "Taboo" by Geoffrey Household - An eastern European community is terrorized by a series of murders. The mystery is solved, but the terror, and other psychological effects, linger on. Non-supernatural - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249393 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359537 The Dark of the Soul]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451254 The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253539 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375537 Griezelverhalen 2]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516539 Van Lichtelijk Luguber tot Meedogenloos Macaber]<br />
* "A Rose for Emily" by William Faulkner - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rose_for_Emily#Plot_summary SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?333722 Classic Tales of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37873 The Dark Descent]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205381 The Dark Descent]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191317 The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293237 The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413748 The Lucifer Society]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196813 The Medusa in the Shield]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359245 The Giant Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?591258 The Oxford Book of Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43731 American Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2399 American Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472269 The Golden Argosy]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?403273 Vóór Middernacht: De Beste Griezelverhalen]<br />
* "A Terribly Strange Bed" by Wilkie Collins - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Terribly_Strange_Bed SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369520 Tales of Terror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?368071 Tales of Terror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326642 Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326754 Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294185 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233089 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?306036 Nightfrights]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517776 Nightfrights]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386608 Adventure Stories for Girls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369352 Horror by Lamplight]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346979 The Wordsworth Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189037 Mad Monkton and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413840 Masterpieces of Mystery in Four Volumes]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18059 In the Grip of Terror]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514839 Van Edgar Allan Poe tot Roald Dahl]<br />
* "The Three Strangers" by Thomas Hardy - [http://klasikfanda.blogspot.com/2012/07/short-story-three-strangers-by-thomas.html SUMMARY] - http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472269 The Golden Argosy]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?424385 Tellers of Tales]<br />
* "Leiningen Versus the Ants" by Carl Stephenson - A lurid and much exaggerated account of army ants, but not intended to be taken as speculative, I feel sure - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451254 The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383522 The Big Book of Adventure Stories]<br />
* "The Most Dangerous Game" by Richard Connell -[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Dangerous_Game SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558649 Early September]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?416364 Psychos]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?302214 The Ghouls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291549 The Ghouls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?512071 Alfred Hitchcock's Spellbinders in Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394763 Stories and Storytellers]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573152 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23955 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383522 The Big Book of Adventure Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375279 Verhalen die Hitchcock Koos]<br />
* "Lamb to the Slaughter" by Roald Dahl - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_to_the_Slaughter#Plot_summary SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?176041 Someone Like You (Dell)]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322881 Lamb to the Slaughter and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?480807 Tales of the Unexpected]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?471509 Someone Like You (Livre de Poche)]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?537122 Rakkaani, kyyhkyläiseni / Joku kaltaisesi]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?533499 Lammkeule und andere Geschichten]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371205 M'n Liefje, M'n Duifje]<br />
* "Contents of the Dead Man's Pockets" by Jack Finney - [http://www.elacommoncorelessonplans.com/contents-of-the-dead-mans-pocket-lesson-plans-summary-analysis.html SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180273 The Third Level]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258702 The Clock of Time]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258701 The Clock of Time]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301201 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33359 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439201 The Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301712 The First Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573152 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23955 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375537 Griezelverhalen 2]<br />
* "Two Bottles of Relish" by Lord Dunsany - One of Dunsany's few non-speculative crime stories. [https://cgrishikesh.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/lord-dunsany-two-bottles-of-relish/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?64784 In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588045 In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17298 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17297 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444547 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257830 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 The Unexpected]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9463 Death]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?344994 Masterpieces of Horror]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251144 Owls' Watch]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34443 Tall Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301201 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33359 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [Stories for the Dead of Night http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249393]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253539 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503597 Nacht en Ontij]<br />
* "A Note for the Milkman" by Sidney Carroll - [https://tentoinfinity.com/2013/06/05/a-note-for-the-milkman-by-sidney-carroll/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51648 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193021 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193049 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251425 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180161 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251424 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251426 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263437 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444141 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503597 Nacht en Ontij]<br />
* "The Cone" by H. G. Wells - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cone SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304364 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?574053 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439345 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495929 A Harvest of Horrors]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288845 The Time Machine: An Invention and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360304 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426598 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426599 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331258 Selected Short Stories of H. G. Wells]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?524428 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285926 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352106 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338206 Complete Short Story Omnibus]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37475 The Cone]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?575308 Works of H. G. Wells]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420004 The Country of the Blind and Other Selected Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404370 Der gestohlene Bazillus und andere Geschichten]<br />
* "The Lodger" by Marie Belloc Lowndes - [https://margotkinberg.wordpress.com/2013/06/10/in-the-spotlight-marie-bellocc-lowndes-the-lodger/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18836 Jack the Knife]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27604 Red Jack]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233089 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294185 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; <br />
* "The Terrapin" by Patricia Highsmith - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terrapin SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301711 The Twelfth Pan Book of Horror Stories]<br />
Are there any of those stories you think ARE genre? [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 15:04, 30 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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ADDENDUM: Discussion moved to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Nongenre_stories:_attempt_at_a_roundup Community Portal]. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 00:49, 31 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: I haven't read any of those books, I just own them. So I have no objection to your separating the genre from the non-genre if you've gone to the trouble to read them. And I appreciate your doing so. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:21, 31 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Hävittäjä ==<br />
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A quick question about your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?559646 ''Hävittäjä'']: is "James Tiptree Jr. (1915-1987)" on p.378 short fiction as opposed to an essay? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:49, 30 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Sorry about that. It is, of course, a biographical essay -- and I corrected that in the book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 11:59, 11 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Harriet stories by Martin (S.) Waddell ==<br />
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Hi, Do you have anything about publication of these stories as by '''Martin S. Waddell''', beyond the fact that we have one record of its 1968 US pbk publication as by Martin S., {{p|16409}}? Six years ago at [[Author:Martin Waddell]] you cite "the "Harriet" stories of our Martin S. Waddell" (plural), altho only one is now in the database.<br />
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Today I added the 1968 US pbk price and all of its Notes except the first, "It has very large print." The cited WorldCat record gives "Martin Waddell", as do those for UK and 1st US eds. I didn't notice the variant name until I went on to add the 1st ed. publication {{p|621126}} (done). Later I added both Title notes. So there was little in the database about Harriet books yesterday, perhaps less than when you mentioned the plural Harriet books years ago. (I guess from the titles that others may have been deleted as non-genre.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:02, 6 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Caryatid[e]s in ''Last Tales'' ==<br />
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In you verified {{P|20003|Last Tales}}, is it "Caryatides", with the "e", or "Caryatids", without? The Look Insides for the two Vintage editions have it without. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:30, 11 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry to be a pest. Are you ok with my changing the canonical to remove the "e" based on the Look Inside info, or would you rather I left the canonical as-is for now and made an "e"-less variant of that for the Vintage editions? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:18, 18 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:: I haven't been able to get to that book, so go ahead and make the change -- I'll verify it when I get those boxes available again. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ok, done. Thanks! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:57, 20 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Edited by Mary Mapes Dodge ==<br />
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Regarding [[User:Chavey/Gender#Magazines, prior to 1980, that were edited by women]], the US children's literary magazine [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?26943 ''St. Nicholas''] was edited by Mary Mapes Dodge. Do you mean to include such work? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:15, 15 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: In general, I was not including non-genre or "occasionally genre" magazines in that list. "Belgravia" was an exception, because we had ''so many'' issues that were relevant to us. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:28, 15 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Big Golden Book of Elves and Fairies ==<br />
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Hi, You verified the 1st ed. P{{p|396997}}. <br />
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# Can you confirm that "The Lost Merbaby" includes none of the original silhouette illustrations, which would be Mary Baker's contribution and quite distinctive. They are featured in reviews of the original chapbook edition, reported by two WorldCat records as [100] and [93] pages (US and UK, now in the submission queue). [https://www.amazon.co.uk/TOMSONS-HALLOWEEN-Margaret-Baker/dp/B01CGBLGD0 Amazon UK] shows one cover illustration presumably by Mary Baker.<br />
# Does the anthology simply credit the story as by Margaret Baker and Mary Baker (or Margaret and Mary Baker)? I made the 1951 version a variant Title of the 1927 short story by Margaret --by analogy to the 1929 ''Tomson's Hallowe'en'', where ''The Supernatural Index'' reports it anthologized in 1936 as by both Bakers.<br />
# You note that one numerical code may indicate price $1.95. Yes that is the price given in two 1951 newspaper articles. But they both give title '''''Giant''' Golden Book of Elves and Fairies'', publisher '''Simon & Schuster''', price $1.95.<br />
* Marcia Winn, ''Chicago Daily Tribune'' 1951-11-11 pB4 "Picture Books ..." (brief reviews) <br />
* Louise S. Bechtel, ed., ''New York Herald Tribune'' 1951-12-02 pE22 "Gift Books for Boys and Girls ..." (long list)<br />
There is no other 1951 hit for me today using a library subscription to ProQuest.com Historical Newspapers ("golden book of elves and fairies") and I get only one more (3 hits) for ("golden book" elves), a retailer advertisement for big golden books (lower case) that lists "Elves & Fairies" at $1.95.<br />
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Is it certain that you have the 1st printing? [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/177832290 OCLC 177832290] is the one WorldCat record that gives heading "The Big Golden Book" (rather than "The Giant", such as [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/754712822 OCLC 754712822]), and it does give date simply "1951", publisher Golden Press, with more info about boards and plastic coating. If that fits, you can link the library record.<br />
Wikipedia makes Golden Press / Western Publishing Company the second publisher of Golden Books, after Simon & Schuster. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:20, 15 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Door into Terror cover artist ==<br />
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I added Lou Feck's cover art credit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11504 Door into Terror] by Juanita Coulson--as on Coulson's The Secret of Seven Oaks, he signed it. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 21:01, 17 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 12:32, 20 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Show & Tell ==<br />
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You have verified several issues of Janus magazine. <br />
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These contain movie reviews using the title ''Show & Tell'': [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404277][http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404279][http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404280]<br />
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This one uses ''Show and Tell'': [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404281]<br />
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One other inconsistency is that three of them use ... (Movie Review: list of movies). [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404277 This one] uses ... (list of movies) (Movie Review).<br />
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--[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 04:33, 22 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== It Happens Every Spring ==<br />
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It looks like we have duplicate pubs between your primary verified {{P|620825|It Happens Every Spring}} and Chris J's secondary verified {{P|558589|It Happens Every Spring}}. Normally, I'd saw deleted the secondary and keep the primary, but the secondary has a cover image. Might be easier to move your primary verification over if you believe they are indeed duplicates. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:08, 9 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: I merged the records. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:20, 9 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Cloning/Importing backwards in time ==<br />
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Hello, you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3523067 imported] into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?625581 this 1950 publication] contents dated 1951 perhaps without seeing the yellow warning. The net result is that the dates of all the titles will have to be manually set to 1950. When you're intending to perform such an action, it's better to update the dates of the "to-be-cloned" title beforehand and then clone or import, this will only take on submission vs. a lot. Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:16, 24 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Oops! Sorry about that. I see you corrected the dates. Thanks, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:04, 24 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Lydia Obukhova ==<br />
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A quick question re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3523891 this submission]. It added "Lidii͡a Alekseevna Obukhova" as another "Transliterated [author] name". Did you mean to add it as a "Transliterated Legal Name" instead, by chance? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:59, 24 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: You're right, I should have done it that way. (This is the way her name is transcribed on the copyright page in her only English book.) Corrected now. (It took me a while to figure out how to enter "i͡a".) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:13, 25 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Title typos ==<br />
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Hello, I've corrected typos in some story titles of the Brothers Grimm. The ToC in the german wikisource [https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Kinder-_und_Hausm%C3%A4rchen] is often different with the original scans!<br />
See the discussion here: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#Varianting_of_Grimm_titles]. Thanks Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 06:10, 11 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Starry Rift ==<br />
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Hi, I changed the page count from 256 to 250 and added the short story [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?969792 At the Library] that appears at pages 248-250 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?179481 The Starry Rift].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 11:39, 11 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Friends by Torchlight by Wayne Allen Sallee ==<br />
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Hi, I added the stories to this collection.<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?307612<br />
[[User:Keesbs|Keesbs]] 12:05, 19 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks much! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:02, 19 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Prelude to Mars ==<br />
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Please see [[User talk:Bluesman#Prelude to Mars]] --[[User talk:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 14:31, 22 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Black Desert of Gomba Mo ==<br />
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Hi Darrah. Question about your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256623 The Dark Tales], specifically "The Black Desert of Gomba Mo" on p.89. Can you make sure there's a space and not a dash between 'Gomba' and 'Mo'? I've just received <i>New Fantasy Journal #1</i> and it has the dash in the title on the title page, and if yours doesn't, I'll have to unmerge the title from the pub list, change it then variant the Dark Tales title to that one, since mine is the earlier. At least that's what I believe should be done (not 100% sure). However, if yours has the dash we can just change it at the title level. Thanks for any help and/or advice. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 17:42, 29 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Stardark Songs ==<br />
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Hi, I've imported content for your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?349976 Stardark Songs].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:51, 12 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: As it turns out, you didn't really. You imported the interior art content, but not the poems themselves. But I appreciate you pointing that out to me: I had typed all those poems in by hand when I verified the hardcover edition, but hadn't imported them into the tp (which I had also verified) or the deluxe edition. So I imported the full contents into both of the other editions. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:35, 13 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Happily Ever After'' ==<br />
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In your verified publication ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?349944 Happily Ever After]'', you have the contents dated 6-21, which is the date of the print edition. Amazon gives a date of 6-01 for the Kindle edition-- which is very possible, since they do sometimes release the ebook earlier, especially if it's an Amazon exclusive. Do you have any reason to think it wasn't actually published on the first? (Unfortunately, the publisher's website was no help.) If that's the right date, you ought to change the dates of those records items. (And also import the contents to the ebook edition.) Thanks--[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 13:24, 13 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: Amazon uses the first of the month whenever they don't know what the actual day of release is, in the same way that they use "January" whenever they don't know what the actual month of release is. You'll notice that they *never* put down an "unknown" month or day, the way we do. So if Amazon says something was released on, say "March 1, 2017", all you really know is that it was released sometime in March, 2017. And if they say something was released on "Jan. 1, 2017", all you really know is that it was released ''sometime'' in 2017. Thus if we have a "real" date of publication, I will ''always'' take that in preference to Amazon's "claim" that it was published on the first, unless we have some other reason to believe them. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 12:55, 24 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Report to the Men's Club and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hello, I've changed to title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251877 your PVed collection] to simply <i>Report to the Men's Club</i> as per title page. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:53, 24 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Harvey Jacobs ==<br />
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Hi, Darrah, The change for the late Harvey Jacobs is still pending in the submission queue. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:38, 30 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, I hadn't realized I hadn't approved it. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:54, 30 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Matrix 31 ==<br />
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Hi Darrah, I'm working my way through many early issues of the BSFA's ''Matrix'', updating things to our current standards where necessary, putting essays into series, adding interior art etc. I've made a few such minor amendments to our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331490 Matrix #31] and added a comprehensive Note. Please do let me know if you have any concerns or input. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 06:55, 9 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: I hadn't done very much with those fanzines, since Bill had been the first verifier then. But I'm more than willing to accept your additions. I don't usually worry as much as I should about interior art in fanzines, and only occasionally with essay series, so I'll gladly accept your additions. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:52, 9 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== His Majesty's Dragon ==<br />
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Hello, I found Your verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426650 this pub]. The record says 356 pages, but <i>Excerpt from Throne of Jade</i> starts on page 357. How comes? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 12:57, 16 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: Excerpts from other books are equivalent to advertisements, and we do not normally include advertisement pages in the page count. In general, the page count in a novel is an expression of how long the novel itself is, not the novel with various other things that might pad this out. (This is the way WorldCat counts pages, not the way Amazon counts them.) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:15, 18 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 05:17, 19 October 2017 (EDT) But is it necessary to put contents/advertisements which not belong to the novel? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 05:35, 19 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::: It is common to put those items in the publication notes, but usually not to include them in the page count or in the contents listing for the book. Some editors, though, do list them in the contents. We are not consistent about that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 07:34, 19 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Elizabeth Bowen ==<br />
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You verified Elizabeth Bowen's collections ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262035 The Demon Lover and Other Stories]'' and ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262097 Collected Stories]''. I've been looking into Bowen's supernatural fiction and I am pretty sure only 16 of the collected stories qualify as such: <br />
*"The Shadowy Third"<br />
*"The Back Drawing-Room"<br />
*"The Apple Tree"<br />
*"Hand in Glove"<br />
*"Dead Mabelle"<br />
*"Foothold"<br />
*"Telling"<br />
*"The Cat Jumps"<br />
*"Look at All Those Roses"<br />
*"The Inherited Clock" <br />
*"The Cheery Soul" <br />
*"The Demon Lover" <br />
*"The Happy Autumn Fields" <br />
*"Pink May" <br />
*"Green Holly" <br />
*"Mysterious Kôr" <br />
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Do you know of any others that should be added to this list? Bowen also has another volume of stories not included in the "Collected," ''The Bazaar'', and I haven't determined which of those are supernatural yet.<br />
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I ask because I have been marking Bowen's stories non-genre as carefully as I can. I think ultimately it would be a good idea to remove her nongenre work from the database entirely. She's definitely not an "above the threshold" author, with only one of her ten novels and 17 of 80 stories having fantastic elements. You are the only person who's verified any of her collections, so it's really up to you. If you think it'd be good to delete the non-genre stories I will; if not, not. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 00:31, 29 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: Go ahead and delete them. I haven't had the time to read the book, and don't know when I will, so if you've looked at the stories and view them as non-genre, go ahead and delete them. Your list above includes all of the short stories listed at [http://www.tartaruspress.com/b36.htm A Guide to Supernatural Fiction], hence seems likely to have all the important ones. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:55, 29 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: I was too speedy about removing things and kicked out three I should have kept. Can you look up what the page numbers of "Love" (n.b.: not "A Love Story"), "The Disinherited," and "The Storm" are? Sorry! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 02:23, 30 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Elfquest Gatherum, Volume One ==<br />
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Your verified {{P|638438|The Elfquest Gatherum, Volume One}} seems to be a duplicate of {{P|514404|this pub}} unless I'm missing something? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:18, 29 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: Mine is a first printing. The other one is a 3rd printing ("Number line ends in 3."). The wording of the other one's publication notes, where they include the data about the first printing, is misleading. He also only lists one of the two authors. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 10:49, 29 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Yup, missed that. Probably shouldn't be dated unless he has information not in the notes. I will ping him about that & the authors. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:24, 29 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The House on Mango Street ==<br />
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I'm curious--how come you added ''The House on Mango Street'' to the database? I don't recall it being fantastic (though admittedly it's a long time since I read it). I think there was a sort of dream-episode in it, perhaps. I haven't got the book here to refresh my memory. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 02:40, 3 November 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: If you Google the two phrases "House on Mango Street" and "Magical Realism" you will get a quarter-million hits. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:47, 3 November 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Mystic Magazine, January 1954 ==<br />
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I added some information to my entry of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?559967 the facsimile] of ''' Mystic Magazine, January 1954'''. You might want to check it out and see if there is anything you can use for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257343 original]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:49, 16 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Kalpa Imperial ==<br />
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I would like to convert {{T|157934|Kalpa Imperial}} from an omnibus to a collection. They are a series of independent stories of which quite a few have been published separately. It was also nominated for a Locus award as a collection. I supposed another option would be an omnibus of two collections, but as far as I know, LeGuin's translations have only been published as a single work or as individual stories so not sure we need the extra complexity. What are your thoughts? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:18, 20 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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: We currently have it as an omnibus of two Novels. Those two novels are translations of Spanish works that we have listed as Novels. Are you proposing to convert those works from Novels into Collections as well? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:22, 20 November 2017 (EST)<br />
::Based on [http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/gorodischer_angelica SFE3], yes. They describe both as "coll of linked stories". --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:51, 20 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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Changes have been made. Since the ibooks edition appears to be an exact re-print of the Small Beer Press edition, I imported the content into {{P|275905|your edition}} with the page numbers. But please double check that. I went with a collection vs. an omnibus of two collections as Le Guin's translation has only ever appeared as a single volume. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:03, 30 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Bug 688: Duplicate Finder bug on duplicated author ==<br />
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I have investigated this bug and here is what I discovered.<br />
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Normally a title record can't have multiple occurrences of the same author associated with it. It's a fundamental part of the software design. A title with 2+ "Raymond A. Palmers" immediately causes all kinds of problems, from multiple appearances of the same title on biblio pages to Python errors like the one that you ran into.<br />
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Most data entry forms, starting with Title Editor, prevent editors from entering the same author more than once. However, Make Variant has a bug which lets multiple occurrences of the same author slip through. That's how this particular problem apparently started. I have fixed the data and now I need to fix the software bug. Thanks for finding the critter! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:49, 26 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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: I kinda thought that was the root problem. And I agree with you that the best route to a solution is to not let that author duplication happen in the first place. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:14, 26 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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:: Done! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:59, 28 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:04, 28 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Re: Facts of the Future ==<br />
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I'm fixing Facts of the Future and it's companion Fables from the Future per [http://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rkihara#.22Facts_of_the_Future.22.2C_Amazing_Stories_1950-51 your note]. "Facts of the Future" and "Fables ..." are a mixture of factual and fictional articles, so the articles are labeled appropriately and a note has been left, e.g., [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58145 Fantastic Adventures, Mar 1950]--[[User:Rkihara|Rkihara]] 13:13, 29 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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: Thank you. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 11:37, 30 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== "Duplicate finder fooled by hyphens" ==<br />
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I believe I have identified the root cause of the problem which you reported in {{FR|1114}}. Here is what I wrote on SourceForge:<br />
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: Update by Ahasuerus: It turns out that the Similar Title mode of the Duplicate Finder already treats hyphens and m-dashes as the same character. The problem with Roger L. Rogers is that one title has spaces around the hyphen while the other title doesn't have spaces around the m-dash. We'll need to update the software to handle this case.<br />
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The "Similar Title mode" logic is kind of tricky because it tries to find only the most likely potential duplicates without going on a wild goose chase. It may take some juggling to get everything right. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:57, 30 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Peeps into Fairyland ==<br />
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Hi. You secondary verified the US/Dutton edition, or US/Dutton version of one co-published edition, P{{p|493427}}. Perhaps you created our record of the UK/Nister also, which has been identical except in the sequence of Contents.<br />
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I suppose you are the author of all those joint Notes. (If not, perhaps as a moderator you can identify who added the last one?)<br />
: The seventh and final bullet point needs a URL for '''"The Annual American Catalogue 1896", p. 158'''. <br />
: That point pertains to the US/Dutton only, so I removed it and the price $2.50 from our record of the UK/Nister, P{{p|493430}}.<br />
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Do you know whether the Catalog ID# is joint or pertains to one publisher only?<br />
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Beside the deletion noted above, in both records I revised the sixth bullet point only and sequenced the Contents. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:14, 2 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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: The notes all look like they are mine, but I don't remember cloning one edition to make the second. The London edition clearly states that it is "Nister 633", but I am unable to find any Dutton version that mentions that number, so I would assume it should only be listed as a catalog number for the British edition. I added a direct link to the "Annual American Catalog" page that reviews the book. I moved the OCLC reference to the "External IDs". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:32, 2 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:: I should have said "in the queue", where I see that my submissions remain as I write (and depart for this afternoon). Here is your [https://books.google.com/books?id=rUHQAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA158&dq=Peeps+Into+Fairyland#v=onepage&q=Peeps%20Into%20Fairyland&f=false link to Google books] which I will use to make repair if necessary (no later than Sunday, I expect). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:22, 2 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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::: I accepted your submissions, then deleted the catalog number from the Dutton edition, and added the Google Books link back in. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:09, 2 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Bold Strokes Books -- 2017-12-04 ==<br />
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I was working on sorting out Fixer's catch earlier today and noticed that he had 30 Bold Strokes Books ISBNs in his "priority 1" queue. Bold Strokes Books primarily publishes lesbian (and some other LGBTQ) fiction and you processed over 100 of their ISBNs [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chavey#Bold_Strokes_Books a couple of years ago]. Would you be interested in working on the new ISBNs? If so, I could make the data available as a Wiki sub-page -- see [[User:Fixer/Public/Cryptofiction Classics]] for an example. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:33, 4 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Joan D. Vinge ==<br />
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Would you happen to remember the nature and the source of the connection between {{A|Joan D. Vinge}} and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennison_Manufacturing_Company Dennison Manufacturing], which you mentioned on [[Bio:Joan D. Vinge]] back in 2012? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:51, 14 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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: She has often mentioned that she was descended from the Dennison's of that company. I cannot verify that via available online genealogical research. Many sources say she is the daughter of "Seymour W. Dennison" and "Carol Erwin", who were married in Cuyahoga, Ohio in 1941 (Joan was born in 1948). but I can't trace her ancestry back further than that. Dennison Manufacturing was founded in 1844, so the ancestral line would have to go back another 100 years. Joan's brain injury might prevent her from remembering the details, but I suppose I could ask her husband if you thought it important enough. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:38, 14 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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:: Ah, I see. In that case how about we say something like "Daughter of Carol Erwin and Seymour W. Dennison, who, according to a private communication from the author, was related to the founders of Dennison Manufacturing [Wikipedia URL]"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:41, 14 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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::: That sounds like an improvement. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:13, 15 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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:::: Updated, thanks! BTW, any thoughts re: my Bold Strokes question above? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:54, 15 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== ''The Dynamiter'' ==<br />
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Is there some reason you listed all the chapters separately in your verified edition of Robert Louis Stevenson's serial novel [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?175477 More New Arabian Nights: The Dynamiter]? We don't have any publications that include only one or a few chapters. (It looks like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48015 The Stories of Robert Louis Stevenson] includes the whole thing.) It would greatly tidy up Stevenson's bibliography if the whole work was listed as a novel and the individual chapters deleted. What do you think? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 03:30, 18 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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:Update: I was wrong--the Centenary Edition decided to print only "Zero's Tale of the Explosive Bomb." Still, they treat it as an excerpt. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 17:03, 18 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== In the Deep of Time ==<br />
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I have reverted your change ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3674210]) to {{T|97849|In the Deep of Time}} where you added "Thomas A. Edison" as co-author. This title is in three verified pubs where it is credited to Lathrop alone. Your changed impacted those pubs. Instead, I have varianted the record to a new one with the Edison credit (for the original 1986 ''Seattle Post-Intelligencer'' publication). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:58, 7 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Adventures of a Brownie ==<br />
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Hi. You verified a 1929 omnibus including this work as a novella P{{p|421529}}.<br />
# I submitted relocation of OCLC links (two bad URL) to the External IDs field, which does fix the links. <br />
# The cover image suggests title ''The Little Lame Prince and '''The''' Adventures of a Brownie''. Is "Adventures of a Brownie" from pp [147] to [151]?<br />
# We have "The Adventures of a Brownie" and two longer titles now in the database as a novel T{{t|2191681}}. No doubt you are right this is a novella. Is there any reason to doubt that the 102-page 1896 and 1929 eds. both have the complete original text? <font color=green>I suspect that WorldCat reports page-count 102 for the 1896 omnibus by mistake, taking pagination of the second half for the whole.</font><br />
# Notes for the earliest 1872 publication suggest that this work may be a collection. <font color=green>There is some sequence to the six chapters. Introduction to the Brownie, and Brownies, at the head of the first, and the narrator turns to these adventures at the bottom of the second page. Effectively good-bye to the Brownie in the Sixth and Last adventure. Thus it is a COLLECTION or NOVEL/la in the same sense as ''Mary Poppins'' books 1-3.</font> <br />
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The last two points are by the way. You may wish to reconcile the four title records as variants of a single collection, or a single novella; such a fix is not something I will undertake.<br />
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I think I will look for earlier Prittie-illustrated editions of the two works in your 1929 book. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:08, 28 January 2018 (EST)<br />
::<font color=green>I did find ''The Adventures of a Brownie'' (Winston, 1929), intro Merchant and illus Prittie and added it, in the queue as I depart, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3697929 Submission 3697929)]. Its page count is again 102. <br />
::The same signature by Edwin J. Prittie is visible in the cover image you provide for the 1929 omnibus: at lower left, "EJP" styled as ligature inside circle.</font><br />
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: 2.--perhaps a first-half title leaf as ''The Little Lame Prince and Adventures of a Brownie'' (c) 1928 --see [https://www.rubylane.com/item/398016-3974/1928-Little-Lame-Prince-Adventures-Brownie RubyLane > SSMoore bookseller images]-- and second-half title leaf as ''[The] Adventures of a Brownie''? <font color=green>Is there a second title page at p[147] or so?</font><br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:00, 28 January 2018 (EST)<br />
:: I have learned more about this work and some of its publications but I am nearly out of time. Above I insert green color text today. ... And now I must run. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:04, 30 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Serpiente del sueño ==<br />
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FYI, the capitalization and the publication series name in your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?606885 ''Serpiente del sueño''] have been regularized. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:44, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Princess on the Glass Hill ==<br />
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Would you mind comparing {{T|2256632|The Princess on the Glass Hill}} (from your verified {{P|634115|Best Book of Fairy Tales}}) to [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hn1uk9;view=1up;seq=360 this version]? If it matches, it is a reprint of {{T|2317856|this version}} and should be merged. If it is the same story, but not the same translation, it should be varianted to {{T|2318042|the original}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:05, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Three Messages and a Warning ==<br />
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I've gotten a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362881 Three Messages and a Warning] which you verified and am going to make some updates to individual stories in the contents, such as adding translators, original publication titles and dates. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:53, 5 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Night-Side of Nature ==<br />
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Hi-- You have your verified publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?406941 The Night Side of Nature] entered as a collection of short fiction, with the chapters as stories. I'm not sure this is the best way to handle it. The book is a single discourse on ghosts, spirits, and parapsychology, with many supposedly-true anecdotes included by way of example (but the anecdotes are much shorter than chapters). Several of the anecdotes have been reprinted in anthologies of fictional ghost stories: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1951345 "The Iron Cage"] (pp. 97-107); [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1330729 "The Haunted Mill"] (pp. 122-146); [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1337022 "The Blind Beggar of Odessa"] (pp. 158-164); [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1330749 "A Ghost in Prison"] (pp. 197-230); [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1146199 "Possessed by Demons"] (some part of chapter 6).<br />
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Perhaps it should be listed as a nonfiction book, with the notation that it's an exception to the rule that works of parapsychology don't belong in the DB because it's been highly influential on writers of ghost fiction.<br />
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At any rate, whatever you decide to do, you ought to change the date of the contents to 1848 since they also appeared in the 1st edition (you can see it at [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007687115 Hathi Trust]). --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 13:19, 13 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Victor Milán ==<br />
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FYI: After noticing your availability update at the top of this page, I went ahead and updated our Victor Milán record with the data from your pending submission. I also updated the Note field and hard-rejected the submission. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:07, 18 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== To the Adventurous ==<br />
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Hi. You verified one publication P{{p|608119}} of this 1922/1923 E. Nesbit collection, with 3 of 19 story contents--only those already in the database, the 1st and 18th-19th in sequence.<br />
# The Manchester Guardian 1923-02-27 p7 "Books Received" lists this one among three at 7/6 from Hutchinson and Co. (with In the Days of Poor Richard; The False Dawn)<br />
# Publisher panel advertisements found in <i>The Observer</i> weekly newspaper -03-04 among "Hutchinson's 7/6 net Novels" and -04-22 as "To the Adventurous (2nd Edn.) E. Nesbit" in another 7/6 panel advertisement<br />
1st and 2nd printings probably February and April 1923 (to be continued).<br />
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I will get back to this before you do and clean up. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:38, 22 February 2018 (EST)<br />
: Done. Move detail notes elsewhere and rewrite what remains. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:40, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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: I have added here and there to our Nesbit records, especially SHORTFICTION and COLLECTION title records.<br />
: The major addition is collection {{t|2332973|''Something Wrong'' (1893)}} including all of its 8 story contents (from a WorldCat list; no digital copy found online, nor scan of the contents page). SFE3 and EOF (see the Title record) and contemporary newspapers support including the contents here. In my opinion, they should remain in the db and be marked non-genre, if necessary, as I suppose we will do for the contents of recent Nesbit "horror" and "terror" collections if/when some stories are judged neither fantastic nor supernatural. <br />
: The 5 story Title records 2332975, 2332976, 2332977, 2332978, 2332979 are precise title matches for the 12th and 14th-17th stories in ''To the Adventurous''. <br />
: (6 among the 2nd-11th ''Adventurous'' stories are listed in The FictionMags Index and one can read some of those online.) (We are missing most contents of 1910 collection ''Fear''.) --Pwendt 18:10 and [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:40, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436242 Das Geschlecht der Magier] ==<br />
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Hello, Darrah! I think I corrected the title for this publication (I also added some notes). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:34, 13 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Best of Sci-Fi (Three) ==<br />
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{{P|255743|The Best of Sci-Fi (Three)}}; In my copy the “Contents” page lists the author of “The Martian Crown Jewels” as ‘<i>Paul Anderson</i>. At the start of the story it lists the author’s name (correctly) as <i>Poul Anderson</i>. Should I add a Note listing the misprint? --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 07:11, 22 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Sisters of Tomorrow ==<br />
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I am in the process of adding the complete contents of the trade paperback [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?570286 Sisters of Tomorrow]. When I'm done you can check it out and note any mistakes that I have made. I'm doing it in two parts. Yes, I have no life. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:26, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Done. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 19:05, 27 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Francis J. Olcott ==<br />
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In {{P|634115|Best Book of Fairy Tales}}, the story on page 163 is credited to {{A|Francis J. Olcott}}. Her name is actually {{A|Frances J. Olcott}} (with an "e"). Would you mind checking whether that is a database typo or it is actually that way in the pub? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:36, 7 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Seconded. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 18 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The War of Dreams ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49546 this] is Peter Goodfellow, see [http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/69-coverart his site]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 16:17, 13 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Test of the Twins ==<br />
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{{P|11168|Test of the Twins}}; A Note states “Copyright page states that the Library of Congress Catalog Card Number is 86-90222. This is the LoC Classification and not the LoC Control Number” I believe that the reference in the copyright page is an LCCN – albeit one which does not exist in the catalog and that the Note should state “Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 86-90222 on copyright page; a record with this reference does not exist”. The LC Classification is actually “CPB Box no. 582 vol. 22” which is a completely different reference. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 08:57, 22 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Did You Say Chicks?(!) ==<br />
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You verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10111 this] copy of the book with the trailing question mark, but not the exclamation mark on my copy of the novel. This seems to be true for the cover and title page and would affect the entries for the cover art, introduction and About the Authors. I noticed that the entry for "Yes, We Did Say Chicks!" is listed that way in the table of contents, but the actual story is titled "Epilogue"/"Yes! We Did Say Chicks!". Can you check your copy please and thank you. I have left a copy of this post with the other verifiers. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:17, 22 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Dodd, Mead and John Lane ==<br />
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Hi. [numbering inserted as afterthought]<br><br />
1. For your verified record of ''Ghost Cat'' (1984) P{{p|652842}}, I submitted a revision with this Note to Moderator:<br />
: (hold for User:Chavey?)<br />
: eliminate another singleton publisher from the database<br />
Evidently we use publisher name simply "Dodd, Mead" with comma, without "& Company" (yours), "and Co.", and so on.<br />
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2. Concerning publisher [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28807 John Lane, The Bodley Head / Dodd Mead and Company] (6 records, five PV including your record P{{p|615916}}), I believe that is mistake for "John Lane, The Bodley Head; Dodd, Mead" --or something else to represent a joint arrangement, as we use the spaced slash for imprint:publisher relationship.<br />
: P.S. As four of our 6 publication records are PV permanent by Rtrace, I posted primarily there, [[User talk:Rtrace#John Lane, The Bodley Head / Dodd Mead and Company]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:38, 25 April 2018 (EDT) <br />
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3. For the one ISFDB publication record of John Lane participation in the Everyman's Library series P{{p|615908}} it is evident that you cite the wrong WorldCat record. Perhaps you located one that mistakenly reported a cheaper "everyman's edition" from Lane as series Everyman's Library. <br />
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--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:22, 25 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:I approved the submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?652842 this] (but please change back if it was presumptuous). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:20, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: On point 1, the database now uses "Dodd, Mead & Co." consistently.<br />
:: On point 3, the cited WorldCat record doesn't mention Everyman's Library, and John Lane is not elsewhere reported as a publisher of that series. It is evident that you cite the wrong WorldCat record because that record [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/468796190 OCLC: 468796190] reports "1 online resource ([4], vii-xiv, 275, [2] pages) illustrations, frontispiece, plates". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:47, 1 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Typo [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?477885 Herrin der Stürme] ==<br />
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Hello, I've corrected two typos in your notes [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?477885 Herrin der Stürme].--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:21, 2 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== In the Red Lord's Reach ==<br />
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I've credited the artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18119 this] pub as Richard Hescox - his signature is actually pretty obvious - bottom of the castle wall. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 18:26, 5 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== A diez mil años luz ==<br />
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I have changed the capitalization of the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?403544 A diez mil años luz] to sentence-case because that's the standard for Spanish titles in the database. Also I added translator info to all the records. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 21:34, 14 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mystery of Ireta ==<br />
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Hi. Last year you verified this Jan 2004 mass market paperback, P{{p|282639}}. Does the now-linked [May and December] Amazon image match your book? My public library copy --with price, date, and numberline that match your report-- shows "TWO ENCHANTING NOVELS FOR THE PRICE OF ONE" as front cover top banner, white on sky blue, with no promotion of the New York Times Bestselling Author. That is, it matches the linked image except for the top banner. <br />
: I reword that for clarity. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:56, 1 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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(I may owe followup somewhere above. Unfortunately my sessions here are radically curtailed this spring.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:12, 16 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover for The Man in the Moone ==<br />
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I was wondering if you recall the source of the image that you uploaded for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?299370 this publication]. I suspect it may be a cover from a later edition. The main reason for my suspicion is that both Bleiler and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_Moone Wikipedia] note that this book was originally published anonymously. We originally had it credited, which I've corrected. Given that the cover scan has the author's name, Francis Godwin, that seems inconsistent with the descriptions that it was published anonymously. If you agree that the image belongs to another edition, I'd also like to ask if that scan was the source for the price in the publication record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:19, 17 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Human? ==<br />
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The signature on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17513 this] cover is not R. de Sant, but R. DeSoto, hence Rafael DeSoto. See [https://www.flickr.com/photos/56781833@N06/6942017316/ flickr] for a clear cover scan. See also [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251757 The Haploids] for another Lion Books cover by DeSoto. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 15:52, 10 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The White Rose and the Black ==<br />
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Momentarily I submit IDs LCCN [https://lccn.loc.gov/81126770 81126770] and OCLC [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9621591 9621591] for this 1st ed. P{{p|393298}}. They provide no new data except size, and a summary that I will add to the novel record. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:47, 27 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes updated for {{P|496387|De linkerhand van het duister}} ==<br />
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I have added notes on printing history and cover artist, and added info on ONEINDIG MOMENT series of which this book is the seventh in series. Let me know if you have issues with the changes. Regards. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:46, 3 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Planned Project Scope Expansion ==<br />
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(I am leaving this note on the Talk pages of some of the more active editors to make sure that we are not missing anything. If you have been following [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this Rules and Standards discussion] and agree with the proposal, please ignore this note.)<br />
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As per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this discussion], [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] is about to be expanded to include:<br />
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* Speculative ''fiction'' webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues<br />
* Special speculative ''fiction'' issues of non-genre webzines<br />
* One time speculative ''fiction'' anthologies published on the Web<br />
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If you believe that this scope expansion may cause unforeseen and/or undesirable consequences, please share your thoughts on the Rules and Standards page. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:22, 4 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Works of Jules Verne (15 volumes) ==<br />
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You had done an OCLC verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?493928 this] set of publications. I have access to a copy (local university library) and will be updating this entry. I expect however, that I will be doing it piecemeal. I plan to update the overall entry (and am assuming the 15 volumes remain as a single entry) with essays, notes, pages etc. first. Then as I identify the various translations for each of the novels I will come back and update the content reference to the correct translation's title. I will also update the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495888 US edition] as the existing note does say that some information is from the British edition. Please let me know if you would like any further updates as this progresses. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:52, 13 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Gifts ==<br />
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{{p|131201|Gifts}}<br />
* Author name changed from Ursula K. Le Guin to Ursula Le Guin and also broke this out as a variant title.<br />
* Cover image scanned/uploaded<br />
* Notes expanded and as part of this I removed your note "The cover image here doesn't show an additional image, of overlapping leaves, that can be seen only from certain angles." FWIW, Amazon's cover also seemed to have gray type and borders while the hc used embossed silver.<br />
--[[User talk:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 03:40, 11 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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Please also check the tp edition of {{p|310671|Gifts}} where you list the author as Ursula K. Le Guin. The front cover shows Ursula Le Guin. --[[User talk:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 17:44, 16 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Collection credited to Hans Christian Andersen and Mrs. H. B. Paull ==<br />
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Hi-- could you clarify something about ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401455 Hans Andersen's Fairy Tales: A New Translation]''? You have the author of collection as "Hans Christian Andersen and Mrs. H. B. Paull" but the stories credited only to Andersen. What is the reason for putting the translator's name as an author of the collection--I don't think that is usual for other translated collections. (And even though there is a note on the title page of the book saying that Paull "specially adapted" the stories, I have compared them to other translations and I don't think they are different enough from the original to merit being credited as "Andersen + Paull" like we do for abridgements and retellings). Thanks for the clarification --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha (cazadora de tildes)]] 14:42, 16 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Göttliche Komödie ==<br />
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I guess the note about the disagreement of two sources on the pagination of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?599770 this pub] was edited by You. The correct source is [http://d-nb.info/575461144 DNB 575461144] not [http://d-nb.info/572666314 DNB 572666314]. OCLC depends on them, so [http://www.worldcat.org/title/gottliche-komodie/oclc/432658391 432658391] seems wrong, but [http://www.worldcat.org/title/gottliche-komodie/oclc/215919253 215919253] is right. "Jub.-ausg. zur 600. Wiederkehr seines Todestages" appears on cover. I suppose You should know and modify. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 15:57, 16 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Time Garden ==<br />
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Hi. You both PV and OCLC verified our record of the Harcourt, Brace 1st ed. P{{p|394924}} (revised). The WorldCat record you cited [http://www.worldcat.org/title/time-garden/oclc/35301743 OCLC: 35301743] actually reports both HBJ, the successor publisher, and Braille book. (It reports the usual page-count and the Bodecker illustrations too, so I don't know what to make of the "Braille book".)<br />
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# Yesterday, Friday, I imported the Bodecker INTERIORART.<br />
# Also I replaced the WorldCat External ID with one that reports a stated 1st ed. from Harcourt, Brace. (It also provides thumbnail front cover image and two ISBN for some later edition.) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4048690 Approved submission]<br />
# As my library announced early closing for a special event, I submitted that hastily with Note "(in progress)".<br />
In fact I had located coverage in 1958 newspapers as time expired, to which I now Saturday return. So I submit Date 1958-04-09 and Price $3.00 with the new bullet point,<br />
: Publication date and price from listing in "Books Received" <i>Hartford Courant</i> 1958-03-20 p8D, as "$3; (April 9)". [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4050495 Pending submission]<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:46, 17 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?406471 Kinder- und Hausmärchen (Vol. 2)] ==<br />
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Hello Darrah, I added the title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1537203 Das Eselein] to the collection. [[User:Henna|Henna]] 10:32, 26 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Mistress of Dragons ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you come over to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MartyD#Weird_LCCN Marty's page] for a quick discussion regarding the LCCN number of this book? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:44, 26 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Witch and the Priest ==<br />
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Hi. For the 1st US ed. whose record you verified P{{p|552095}}, I submit External ID [http://catalog.loc.gov/71126059 LCCN: 71-126059] and the related Note. <br />
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At the same time, I submit the longer title Note. If you know the novel, please help explain whether [http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=lewis_hilda John Clute's label Supernatural Fiction] is plausible. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:05, 28 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Gulliver's Travels, 1720s publications (6) ==<br />
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Hi. These notes concern our six earliest publication records for T{{t|1719519}}, and thus also for the canonical title ''Gulliver's Travels''. First, I wonder whether the records #1-3 contain clerical errors, highlighted in this listing ('''bold''').<br />
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# viii+'''310'''+164+155+199 -- • Published in 4 volumes; title page of vol. 1 shown here.<br />
# viii+'''310'''+164+155+199 -- • Published in 4 parts, but in 2 volumes; title page of vol. 1 shown here.<br />
# viii+310+353 -- • Published in '''4 volumes'''; title page of vol. 1 shown here.<br />
# Pages: empty (1726-12-02, John Hyde)<br />
# viii+159+175 -- (Note, the cited WorldCat record [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/186519540 OCLC: 186519540] heading also contains "Guliver [sic]".)<br />
# xii+148+164+155+199 --(Notes imply 2 volumes. That is, parts 1-2 paginated xii+148+164 and parts 3-4 paginated 155+199?)<br />
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The latter, record #6, suggests to me that "310" in records #1-2 should be "148".<br />
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Record #3 should note "2 volumes", if I understand correctly.<br />
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Concerning #5. May the so-called faithful abridgment be a truncation primarily? That is, the first two voyages Lilliput and Brobdingnag alone; a publication of what is sometimes called ''Gulliver's Travels Into Lilliput and Brobdingnag'' and the like . The same WorldCat record quotes, "Brobdingnag' has a separate titlepage: 'Travels into several remote nations . Part II. A voyage to Brobdingnag." (quoting the British Library?^)<br />
<br>(^Perhaps this quotes catalogue data for the online resource in "Eighteenth century collections online". But ours is a record of the 1727 print publication that underlies the online resource, I understand.)<br />
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* For the earliest-published of our variant titles, T{{t|2088244}} (1735), I revised and extended the title Note, based on your notes [to be extended further at least re the known 1744 reprint]. Perhaps we should refer to some explanation of the "massive changes".<br />
* Yesterday I posted a new inquiry at [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Lemuel Gulliver and his famous Travels]], which must interest you.<br />
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(perhaps to be improved before your return) --Pwendt 19:00 --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:46, 30 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Droga do Science Fiction 4: Od Dzisiaj do Wiecznosc ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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As you had verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?428058 this one] and you had added a note that the translators are not listed here, I suspect that they may be in the book. Any chance to pull it out and update the stories (or scan/write the translators and I can do it instead)? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:32, 9 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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: Any chance for an update? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:42, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Les Indes noires'' image ==<br />
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You loaded an [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:LSNDSNRSKN1877.jpg image] of a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567582 publication] of the Jules Verne book "Les Indes noires". The notes say this is for the first edition (1877-04), but your image is of the first illustrated edition (1877-09). The earlier one is the in-18 format (say pocketbook size) and had no illustrations. The latter is the in-8 format (typical hc or the day) and had illustrations from the (even earlier) serialization. I believe this would account for the OCLC confusion on the number of pages. I'm trying to complete/clean up the Jules Verne first editions and just got this far. I just wanted to check what you know before trying to re-organize this entry. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:45, 10 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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== '''Web of Darkness''': Marion Zimmer Bradley's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?2924 Atlantean] cycle / novel ==<br />
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Hi, Darrah, the idiosyncratic indexing of the German omnibus put me on the course of some research:<br />
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1) For the first 'OMNIBUS' edition, Locus observed that "This is the first hardcover edition as well as the first one-volume edition. The book was written as such but split in the U.S. for various profitable reasons.", so it seems to have been intended by MZB as one NOVEL, not two. (Also the five chapters are numbered 1-5 / I-V for the OMNIBUSes).<br />
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2) The OMNIBUSes don't seem to have the two separate novel titles listed, as can be seen [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?654141 here], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444231 here], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?627219 here] (a French edition), and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?662383 here] (a German edition). <br />
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So, it seems that what we have as an OMNIBUS is really a NOVEL (that only was split for publication into two books). I have put that also at the Community Portal, but as to your liking, please leave your thoughts there or here. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:04, 17 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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:I am willing to take action after this weekend. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:47, 2 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Erroneous secondary verifications (not by you, but affecting a PVed pub. of yours) ==<br />
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Hi, Darrah, I intend to delete your primary verified publication of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?960600 this title], because of erroneous secondary verifications that were added by [[User:Michael Flores1]], as today last seen here in August of 2018. Take a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Erroneous_secondary_verifications this discussion item] for the background. I expect you taking a look here this weekend, and would like to take action on Monday: the plan is to clone the publication (thus to get rid of the erroneous verifications), so you would be able to PV it anew. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:46, 2 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Magic in Ithkar 2 ==<br />
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[http://andre-norton-books.com/archive/Titles_M/Magic_in_Ithkar_2/Magic_in_Ithkar_2_1988_54749-7.jpg Cover image]<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?182237 cover art is by M. Sephie [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 18:39, 5 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Missed submission ==<br />
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It looks like one of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4185955 your submissions] from February 3 got missed and never approved. Just pinging you to make sure you know. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:26, 6 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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: It's been 8 weeks now, so I have rejected the submission. I did't want to approve it in case you planned to further massage the entered data. Hopefully you are doing OK and will be back soon :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:35, 29 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Henry St. Clair's Evening Tales for the Winter ==<br />
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Hi Darrah -<br />
I am working on Henry St. Clair's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1803022 Tales of Terror, or the Mysteries of Magic: A Selection of Wonderful and Supernatural Stories]'' which is the first 2/3 of your verified publication ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?494044 Evening Tales for the Winter Being a Selection of Wonderful & Supernatural Stories]''. We had the earlier title as a collection of works by St. Clair. However, the review in Bleiler's ''Guide to Supernatural Fiction'' makes is fairly clear that St. Clair was not the author of the stories, but instead the Editor. Bleiler goes on to identify the author of several of the stories, though they appear to be uncredited. Consequently, I'm in the process of converting the earlier title from a collection to an anthology. Since your copy is essentially an expansion, it should probably be converted similarly. Since you've got a note that you'll be unavailable until summer, I'm going to proceed to convert your title as well. If upon your return, you'd like to revisit this conversion, please let me know. Unfortunately, Bleiler doesn't cover the stories unique to Evening Tales, but I'll try to identify the actual authors. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:51, 23 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== '''Stone of Blood''' ==<br />
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I added the catalog number and the cover artist to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254536 Stone of Blood] from the philsp.com [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/Fantasy%20Gothics_Author.pdf Fantasy Gothics] page. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:01, 15 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Son of the Morning and Other Stories, by Phyllis Gotlieb ==<br />
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You primary-verified this publication http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31175 -- a statement that The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction erroneously titled it "Song of the Morning" was no longer true; it was corrected on the SFE3 site. I deleted the statement of error. [[User:Hifrommike65|Hifrommike65]] 18:52, 9 June 2019 (CST)<br />
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== Best Book of Fairy Tales ==<br />
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Hi. You verified our only publication record P{{p|634115}} as a COLLECTION by Pauline Rush Evans. The title type should be ANTHOLOGY. Momentarily I submit a TitleUpdate with note that I have notified you.<br />
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Does the book give year 1871, as well as title and author, for this story? <br />
* 107 • The Little Darner • (1871) • short story by Juliana Horatia Ewing<br />
Does it give any other information? <s>Among 10 Ewing short fiction now in the database this one remains without a title note (nor an early publication record).</s> It is the only one not listed by our title in the [http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17085/17085-h/17085-h.htm#LIST_OF_WORKS List of Mrs. Ewing's Works] by her sister (viewed as Gutenberg #17085). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:31, 1 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
: "The Little Darner" was published in Aunt Judy's, August 1871, [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/nyp.33433082288378?urlappend=%3Bseq=646 pp. 631-35] as "The Six Little Girls and the Five Little Pigs".<br />
: Resolved. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:33, 15 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== 100 Greatest Books of All Time ==<br />
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I don't know this Franklin Library series except from our publication records. You have added/verified two volumes from WorldCat records, ''Gulliver's Travels'' and ''The Odyssey''. Here are descriptions from the cited WorldCat records:<br />
* Gulliver's Travels P{{p|530473}} -- 326 pages : illustrations ; 23 cm & notes (22 pages : illustrations ; 18 cm)<br />
* The Odyssey P{{p|530468}} -- 502 pages, 2 unnumbered leaves of plates : map ; 23 cm + notes booklet<br />
Considering both two descriptions I surmise that a notes booklet of smaller size is contained in, but not bound in, each publication. For instance, slipped in a back inside pocket, as a large folded map or a CD-ROM are sometimes contained in our lifetimes. That is, I interpret "(22 pages : illustrations ; 18 cm)" as a description of the Gulliver notes booklet. Whereas you note "22 pages of illustrations; may not be part of the page count reported above."<br />
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We have one other publication record in the series, ''Tales from the Arabian Nights'' P{{p|530548}}, probably also your work although not WorldCat-verified. Our WorldCat record does not suggest notes, in a booklet or otherwise ("769 pages, [29] leaves of color plates : illustrations ; 23 cm"). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:10, 20 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== (The) Further Adventures of Nils ==<br />
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Hi, You verified our record of the Dent Children's Classic in its 1957 printing P{{p|371530}} --and probably entered our record of the 1953 1st printing P{{p|374476}}, whose one-line Notes field ends "Data from the 1957 reprint of this edition."<br />
# Does this edition use the definite article? Contrast the [http://archive.org/details/furtheradventur00lagegoog/page/n8 1915 title page (c)1911] as "Further Adventures of Nils" (viewed at Internet Archive). Yet one 2000/2015 omnibus uses "The Wonderful" and "The Further" --relying on the front cover and Contents list ([http://www.amazon.com/Wonderful-Adventures-Nils-Further-Holgersson/dp/1572160365 Amazon US]).<br />
(I suppose you are mainly inactive through the summer. I may extend this beyond item 1.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:43, 18 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== {{P|339416|The Handmaid's Tale}} ==<br />
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Hello Darrah, in the German edition Noma Bar is credited as cover artist. Please take a look. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 16:19, 6 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Etchings & Odysseys #7 ==<br />
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A quick FYI -- [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4389190 this was a duplicate submission], presumably created by the system behind the scenes. I have changed its status to "Rejected" to clear the queue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:02, 7 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Works of Jules Verne ==<br />
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I've run across a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?493928 Works of Jules Verne] and I'd like to verify this pub (transient). However, I find the 15 volumes-in-one awkward. What do you think about splitting it (and the associated 10 volume [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495888 National Alumni]) into separate volumes? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:36, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Nerilka's Story ==<br />
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When you have a moment, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4464279 this outstanding submission] which was created on 2019-11-09? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:28, 28 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Story Behind the "Foundation" ==<br />
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Hi Darrah -<br />
I recently discovered that the copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?796153 this essay] appearing my copy of 7th Del Rey printing of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17332 Foundation]'' was incorrectly titled in the database and was missing the quotation marks around the word "Foundation". Consequently, I created [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2658259 this title]. Expecting that Del Rey didn't create new plates, I have flipped the remaining unverified printings to the version with the quotes. Could you double check your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?584295 verified 4th printing] and swap out the version of the essay. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:23, 15 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== De Wereldbrekers ==<br />
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Cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?425714 this] is currently attributed to Chris Moore. Based on style, the cover artist should be Eddie Jones. This is corroborated by [https://www.sfandfantasy.co.uk/php/details2.php?id=1360] and by [https://thetrove.net/Magazines/White%20Dwarf/ White Dwarf #10] (with the same cover art) which states "Cover illustration by: Eddie Jones" on page 5. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 08:01, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
: It gets supported [https://www.sfandfantasy.co.uk/php/details2.php?id=1625 here] too.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 09:41, 6 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:: Credit adapted and explained in the notes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:27, 7 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Nerilka's Story ==<br />
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Happy New Year! Hope you are doing OK up there in the apparently not-so-frozen North :)<br />
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It's been almost two months since you created [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4464279 this "Nerilka's Story" submission], so I have changed its state to "Rejected" for now. When you come back, could you please review it to see if the submitted Note change needs to be applied to the record? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:39, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Born to Exile ==<br />
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The initials RLC on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5311 this] (at the bottom, mirror-reversed) are those of Richard Courtney, see for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?153621 Count Brass]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 14:51, 31 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Night-Side of Nature; or, Ghosts and Ghost-Seers ==<br />
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Hi, You verified our record of the 1st US ed. P{{p|406941}}. After my recent work on the record of its transcript as a Gutenberg ebook, other editors have (by title merge) revised several contents listings to match the title page except for its final dot --that is, {hyphen semicolon comma hyphen} as in the heading above.<br><br />
Moments ago I revised the publication record itself to fix the title and also to add notice of the Gutenberg ebook with link to our publication record. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:04, 18 February 2020 (EST)<br />
: Moments ago I submitted three SHORTFICTION title merge, which complete the alignment of our publication record with the chapter headings, I believe. There were 5 or 6 shortfiction discrepancies, but other merges were executed by other editors during the last few days. <br />
: The only discussion known to me is on my talk page [[User talk:Pwendt#The Night Side of Nature; or, Ghosts and Ghost Seers]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:10, 19 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== anthology within a fanzine? ==<br />
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Hi, your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?502805 The Literary Magazine of Fantasy and Terror, Volume 2-A, 1975] contains [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1826879 Lays Without Tunes and Bardic Runes], which is given as ANTHOLOGY and so creates a maintenance report.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 05:57, 11 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: According to [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BrowseListingsResults?n=100200003&sgnd=on&vci=59178730 this AbeBooks listing], "A special section of verse is a semi-distinct anthology titled ''Lays Without Tunes and Bardic Runes'' including Frank Belknap Long, Richard Tierney, Walter Shedlovsky and others." It looks like what they (and the publication?) call an "anthology" is really just a distinct section of this fanzine issue. If so, then I doubt we want to create a separate ANTHOLOGY title record for this grouping of poems. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:08, 11 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: We'd better enter the distinct poems instead.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 07:04, 12 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::: As I already see poems of Frank Belknap Long, Richard Tierney, Walter Shedlovsky just after ''Lays Without Tunes and Bardic Runes'', I'll change the type to 'ESSAY' instead of 'ANTHOLOGY'. Feel free to change it into SHORT FICTION or POEM if that fits better.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 09:09, 16 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Little Red Riding Hood ==<br />
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It's been over two months since you created [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4554126 this "Little Red Riding Hood" submission], so I have changed its state to "Rejected" for now. When you come back, could you please review it to see if the submitted Note change needs to be applied to the record? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:39, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Change the Sky ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6584 this] is Bruce Emmett, see [http://bruceemmett.blogspot.com the artist's blog] and [https://fineart.ha.com/itm/bruce-emmett-american-20th-century-change-the-sky-mixed-media-on-board-19-3-4-x-14-inches-50/p/8000-24003.s ha.com]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 16:19, 18 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Taurus Four ==<br />
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Hi, I've found Robert Foster's signature on the cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294750 this], to be precise, to the left of the yellow flower/lamp, on [http://theporporbooksblog.blogspot.com/2018/09/book-review-taurus-four.html this] cover scan. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 15:43, 12 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Joy in Our Cause ==<br />
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I submitted OCLC external ID to this record, which you primary verified: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19129 [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 21:47, 12 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Literary Magazine of Fantasy and Terror 2A ==<br />
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I just entered the first six issues of this fanzine, four published in 1973 and two in 1974. I'm curious about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?502805 Issue 2A] that you verified. I don't know if additional issues were published in 1974 or 1975; you note that your issue was the final one. Do you have any idea if there are additional issues? Is your issue edited by Amos Salmonson or Jessica Amanda Salmonson? All of mine were edited only by Amos Salmonson; Karr contributed to issue #6, but was not credited as being on the staff. Just curious. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 13:17, 31 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Witchstone ==<br />
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I have a question about Your pv pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268583 here]. There is no ISBN, but LCCN, OCLC and goodreads list 0515032891. Isn't that in book? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 10:18, 1 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Inspired Novels, Spring 1965 ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you look at the publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?781948 your verified]? The rest of Palmer's output is under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?19321 Palmer Publications, Inc.]. Is this "Palmer Publications" a new publisher or should we reunite them all? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:46, 7 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Stardance publication month ==<br />
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Hi. I've verified http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?186769 and will be changing publication month from February to March. Two sources: April 1979 Locus (per your pub note), and "0379" on jacket back flap. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:21, 25 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Pending submission from July 15 ==<br />
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Just pinging you to make sure you're aware of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4697304 this submission] that's be awaiting approval since July 15. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:38, 25 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like it was an accidental duplicate submission, perhaps created by the Web server. I have moved it to the "Rejected" state for now. It can be found [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4697304 here] in case you want to "unreject" it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:33, 9 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Let the Fire Fall (Kate Wilhelm) publication date ==<br />
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re: your verified http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?171011, my copy has printing gutter code "K 3" on page 228 (mid-January 1969), so it was published 6 weeks later in February. I PV'd the record, made that change, and added pub notes. Let me know if any concerns or changes. Regards. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:53, 7 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Clewiston Test ==<br />
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FYI I verified and submitted pub notes for your verified http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?171161. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:25, 8 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Yaril's Children ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|55659|Yaril's Children}} with some notes. [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 21:47, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover of The Curse of Chalion ==<br />
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Hi Darrah - <br />
I'm going to upload a new cover scan for our mutually verified printing of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?348594 The Curse of Chalion]''. The current [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THCRSFCHLN0000.jpg scan] used in the 5th printing record was uploaded by [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] for the 2nd printing and has a blue bar on the right hand side. My copy of the 5th does not have such a bar and I'm assuming that yours doesn't either. Please take a look at your copy when you get a chance and let me know if there is any problem with the new scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:01, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Sword & Mythos ==<br />
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Hello, you've PV'd {{p|511930|Sword & Mythos}}. Could you check if the title {{t|1848580|Jon Carver of Barzoon, You Misunderstood}} could be a POEM instead of a SHORTSTORY? (there are two other records with the same title, one POEM, one SHORTSTORY). Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:42, 26 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A Thread of Grace cover artist ==<br />
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Hello. I have updated the cover artist credit for {{p|80425|A Thread of Grace}} from Monda (who's the designer) to Mantegna (as per your notes). Let me know if you would disagree. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:16, 19 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 9 ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23789 this] is Mike Little. Credired on p.165 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204909 this] publication. Almost certainly the same artists responsible for the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23793 this] as well. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:20, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== A Wind in the Door ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338744 Added a bit to the pub notes. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 23:55, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
And a contents listing for the genealogy diagram. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 00:19, 9 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Twisted Title Change ==<br />
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Hell-o. I see here, [https://picclick.co.uk/Twisted-6-%E2%80%93-US-horror-fantasy-magazine-fanzine-402267541643.html], that a story title may be entered incorrectly on ISFDB. "Pleoponnesian" should be "Peloponnesian". Also, you spelled "Buburuz" as "Buboroz" in your notes, so maybe that should be corrected in case anyone's searching for her name. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:39, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: You did not provide me with a link to the isfdb record that you feel needs to be corrected. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:33, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386128. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:20, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghost Book ==<br />
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I changed first story's author from John Elliott to John Elliot based on Fantlab's contents photo of the hardcover edition of The Sixth Ghost Book which you PV'd, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278262]. He also wrote stories for 7th and 8th Ghost Books. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:34, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== First Battle / Michaels ==<br />
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While PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13770] I changed the printing statement to indicate the source of its 'first printing' info. Originally noted as from a number line. Can you confirm? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:07, 2 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Clan of the Cave Bear ==<br />
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Are you verifying the first printing of {{p|37192|The Clan of the Cave Bear}}? Cant tell by your statement in the notes regarding date. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:27, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Notes clarified to the effect that this is a first printing. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:31, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Publisher New Infinities ==<br />
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Hi Darrah<br />
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Another user left a [[User talk:Rtrace#Publisher name|note]] on my talk page questioning the difference between the publishers [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?62967 New Infinities Productions / Ace] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?38481 New Infinities / Ace]. I double checked my book and the publisher is credited as "New Infinity Productions, Inc." throughout the book, including the cover and spine logo. You are one of the only two active verifiers who has [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26230 a book] by the publisher with the shorter name. While I don't think we need to include "Inc.", I do think the longer name is more appropriate. Do you have any objections if I merge these two publishers taking the longer name? I'm checking with the other active verifier as well. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:31, 23 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I have no objection to the change. I don't like to include "Inc." in publishers names (to me it's like listing "Mr. Arthur C. Clarke"), but I seem to be out of step with the rest of isfdb on this. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:18, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Polgara The Sorceress ==<br />
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In one of your old verifications, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196061 Polgara The Sorceress] you are crediting "Shelley Shapiro" as one of the artist of the part opener maps. Is her name really spelled incorrectly in your copy? I have a first printing and her name is spelled correctly "Shelly Shapiro" in mine. If it was a mistake, I will merge the variant to correct. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:45, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Girl from Mars ==<br />
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Hi Darrah -<br />
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When you get a chance could you check the author credit for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40610 The Girl from Mars]''. We have Breuer's credit as "Miles J. Breuer, M.D." whereas the cover credit has it as "Dr. Miles J. Breuer". The linked Worldcat record as well as Reginald both have the latter credit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:13, 8 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
: I'm not sure where that chapbook is now -- it's not part of my main collection. (Three other books from that series are in my collection, and "Girl from Mars" was picked up as a lot with one of them.) Feel free to change the author if you wish; it wasn't entered that way by me. So far as I remember, I just left the author as the late Bill Longley entered it. I'll leave this message here, and if I find that chapbook again I'll verify that the inside lists him the same way the cover does. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:56, 24 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Sancgreal ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?860927 This] either needs a fiction piece or needs to be converted to nonfiction. From our own help page:<br />
* "CHAPBOOK. This publication type is a unique ISFDB designation for a separate publication of a single work of SHORTFICTION (q.v.), a single POEM or a single SERIAL installment of a longer work. In addition to the single SHORTFICTION, POEM or SERIAL content record, such publications may also contain one or more ESSAY and INTERIORART content records. This type covers all bindings and formats, including ebooks and audiobooks of less-than-novel length fiction."<br />
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Thanks. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:36, 5 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 06:27, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Vivisections ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258806; you entered this book back in 2011, and nearly 10 years later I made a few edits. The other day I found that the editor, William P. Simmons, had a Twitter account so I asked if he could supply the page #'s since that's the only thing missing from the record. He responded almost immediately to say he would get back to me and today he did, asking for my e-mail address so he could send me the info. I have a feeling this was an unreleased book because the publisher went out of business around the same time, but copies were sent to reviewers because you can find reviews online. I realized I probably should have asked you first: did you ever/do you still own a copy, or did you enter the info from online sites? --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:10, 14 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: I did not enter the book, I only added the cover image from the Amazon record at https://www.amazon.com/Vivisections-William-P-Simmons/dp/9185075000/. That record includes a page count of 256 pp, but Amazon often includes some blank pages that Simmons might not be including in his page count. I do not own a copy; I have never seen the book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:42, 2 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: OK. He finally sent me a photo of the contents page so at least all stories now have page #'s. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:33, 2 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Book of Fairy Poetry ==<br />
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As you are the sole PV of the above anthology, I'm seeking your agreement to change the dates for some of the content titles. I have entered an anthology from a slightly earlier date, 1909, which contains some of the same works. For example, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1669240 The Eighth Nimphall] which you properly state is from <i>The Muses Elizium</i> (1630). However you have dated it 1630. Shouldn't it be dated 1920? I would like to change it to 1920 and make it a variant of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2949315 The Fairy Wedding] which is the title Alfred Noyes used for the same work in 1909. Or, I can change the date to 1909 and variant Noyes title to 'The Eight Nimphall'. Thoughts? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:12, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: If you have found earlier appearances of stories from that anthology, then feel free to correct the dates for those titles. But you should NOT change the date of the poem <i>The Eighth Nimphall</i> to a later date than listed there. "The Muses Elizium" was, essentially, a collection of 13 poems, one of which is "The Eight Nimphall", now spelled "Eighth" (due to a shift in the English language). That poem was published in 1630, and should remain with that date. If you wish, you could create a separate record for "The Eight Nimphall" and variant the poem in "Book of Fairy Poetry" to it, but certainly do NOT variant it to something with a date of 1920 <i>or</i> 1909. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:03, 2 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Then [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2949315 The Fairy Wedding] should be a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1669240 The Eighth Nimphall] since it is also the complete poem. I was treating the poem as an excerpt from one long work. Thanks for explaining that "The Muses Elizium" is a collection of complete poems. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 06:52, 2 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Craft/Croft ==<br />
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https://picclick.com/The-Ennead-By-Jan-Mark-HC-1st-American-353789515995.html; photo #7 say Craft, but your PV, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287684, says Croft. Price is slightly different so this is probably a library edition, but I doubt they changed names between editions. Can you check your copy and fix if necessary (and variant to parent)? All other ISFDB credits by this artist are as Craft or Kraft. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:54, 29 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: You are correct; that was a typo on my part. I have corrected the entry.<br />
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:: I think, since it says Kinuko Craft on the front flap, it's supposed to be entered as such and varianted to her parent name, Kinuko Y. Craft. This cover art is her first ever as far as ISFDB says, so she probably didn't use the Y until a little later. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:43, 2 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Feel free to correct that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:42, 24 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Trey of Swords ==<br />
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Added notes and changed the price for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229041 Trey of Swords] to one the on the dust jacket value that is confirmed on other sources instead of using the price from Locus. Working from my owned copy and will PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:49, 30 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Children Star / Joan Slonczewski ==<br />
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While PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37054] I came across the note that states that this is the first Tor printing. However, the Tor hardcover came out the year earlier. Any objections to me fixing up the notes? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:09, 11 December 2021 (EST)<br />
: It IS the first printing of THAT EDITION. I never claimed it was the first edition. And Chris_J, who wrote that phrase that it was the first Tor printing never claimed it was the first edition. You're welcome, if you wish, to add the fact that this was the third EDITION, and the first PB EDITION, but you should not change the printing statement. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:38, 24 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Door into Shadow ==<br />
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When preparing to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38600 The Door into Shadow], I noticed missing regular titles as follows: Poem on ix; Map on x; "On Time, Calendars, and Related Subjects" on 293; "On Dracon Anatomy and Physiology" on 297. Any problem with my adding those and some notes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:55, 15 December 2021 (EST)<br />
: I have no problem with that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:32, 24 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Polgara the Sorceress ==<br />
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Corrected spelling of artist Larry Schwinger in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196061 Polgara The Sorceress] plus added notes before doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:40, 15 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Chavey, will you verify the spelling in your copy? If it's misspelled as "Shwinger", we want to keep it that way. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:09, 15 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: I don't have access to that book right now (it's in my wife's collection, she's on vacation for another month, and I don't go searching through her office when she's not here). So I think we should assume I made a typo, and I'll check when she returns. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:31, 24 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Sin/Orgy on Wheels ==<br />
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Hello, Mr. Chavey. I was wondering where you learned that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2961338 Orgy On Wheels] is the same as Sin on Wheels (Greenleaf Classics). It doesn't say that on the Greenleaf Classics website. Thanks.<br />
Do you teach at Beloit? I used to go there.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 14:01, 22 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:The "Orgy on Wheels"/"Sin on Wheels" is mentioned both at [https://vintagesleazepaperbacks.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/sin-on-wheels-by-loren-beauchamp-robert-silverberg-midwood-books-70-1961/ Those Sexy Vintage Sleaze Books] and at the [http://majipoor.com/works/display/1047 Quasi-Official Robert Silverberg Web Site]. And yes, I teach Math and Computer Science at Beloit College -- and founded the Computer Science major there about 30 years ago. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:18, 24 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Millhiser's Mirror (BCE) ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?368223; Copy on Open Library is 383 pages, so I fixed page count. Where did your page count come from? --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:24, 25 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Hedge of Mist ==<br />
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I have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41404 The Hedge of Mist] that I want to PV but it is missing titles for maps on pages xiv to xix, a genealogical table on page 503, the three sections of the Appendices starting on page 463 plus some notes. Would you mind if I add them as well as replacing the Amazon cover with a scanned cover? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:43, 29 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: I have no problem with that. Are you familiar with the author, "Patricia Kennealy-Morrison"? She gets the second part of her last name, "Morrison", from her husband, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Morrison Jim Morrison], lead singer of "The Doors". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks! I was aware of that. I also understand that her marriage to him is considered disputed. I did enjoy her books. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:20, 5 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: The "marriage" was a 'hippie marriage', which had a ceremony, no religious officiant, and no legal marriage certificate. It did have witnesses, and Morrison refers to it as a marriage in his writings, but it was, at best, a "common-law marriage". When I asked her about it, she viewed it as "real", but admits that she only stayed with him for a year or so after the marriage. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:33, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== In the King's Service ==<br />
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Would you mind if I add the missing Appendix titles to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18081 In the King's Service]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:28, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I have no problem with that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:44, 5 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Winds of Change ==<br />
<br />
Would you mind if I make the following changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54809 Winds of Change] before I PV it?<br />
<br>1) Remove "(Book Two of The Mage Winds)" from the title since the series name doesn't belong in the title per current standards. <br />
<br>2) Make the page count [9]+449 to account for the unnumbered pages. <br />
<br>3) Add missing Author's Note title.<br />
<br>4) Remove and delete the title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?552461 Winds of Change (Jacket Design)] and move the info to the Notes since standards don't allow designer info titles.<br />
<br>5) Remove and delete the title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?552457 Winds of Change (Time Line)] and replace it with the more standard title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857212 Official Timeline for the Heralds of Valdemar Series] used for the rest of the series.<br />
<br>6) Add other notes and the WorldCat ID<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:11, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: None of the things you've mentioned here involve the changes I made, all of them involve all elements entered by [[User_talk:Marc_Kupper|Marc Kupper]], so you should ask his permission. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:15, 8 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Will do. Thanks! I'd missed seeing that he was still active. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:34, 8 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Owlflight ==<br />
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Before I PV, would you mind if I add the missing Larry Dixon Interiorart title to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25499 Owlflight] as well as change the page count to [8]+293 to account for the unnumbered pages? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:07, 8 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with me. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:28, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Interview with the Vampire ==<br />
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The artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334880 this] is H. Tom Hall (1932-2010), not H. Tom Hall, see [https://www.inquirer.com/philly/obituaries/20100516_Book_illustrator_judged_an_artist_by_his_covers.html obituary] which shows the original painting, and [https://www.askart.com/artist/H_Tom_Hall/28909/H_Tom_Hall.aspx askart.com] which give his full name as Harry Thomas Hall III. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 16:44, 18 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: He meant "not Tom H. Hall". I'm the one who stumbled on the obit with the pic. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:37, 18 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thank you for that clarification. The original message was somewhat confusing. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:39, 20 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Mageborn Traitor ==<br />
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Before I PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43497 The Mageborn Traitor], besides adding notes, LCCN, and WorldCat, would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1) Change the Pages entry to read [8]+609+[2] since there are no Roman numerals in the pub and there are 2 unnumbered pages after the last numbered one.<br />
<br>2) Add title "The Tale Thus Far: Timeline" on page [7] and remove the note for the same.<br />
<br>3) Add title "Author's Note (The Mageborn Traitor)" on page [611]<br />
<br>Susan O'Fearna only appears to want a note but no pre-approval. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:14, 19 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Do those 2 unnumbered pages have any content on them? If they are blank, then our rules say they can be ignored. Specifically, our rules say:<br />
:: It is fairly common for the last page (or more) of text in a book to be unnumbered. In this case, COUNT FORWARD TO THE LAST PAGE OF TEXT AND USE THAT AS THE PUBLICATION'S PAGE COUNT. For example, if a novel ends on the unnumbered page after page 244, enter the page count as "245" with an explanatory note about the unnumbered last page.<br />
: So there is almost never a need to have something like you "+[2]". If those pages have text on them, then you should correct the "609" number; if they do not have text on them, then they should not be included. (This is a difference between us and, say, L.W. Currey. He always lists all blank pages. We do not; we tend to lean a bit towards simplicity.) I have no problem with changing the [viii] to [8] if those pages don't actually have Roman numerals. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:52, 20 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for the clarification. The "Author's Note" is the unnumbered page two pages after the last numbered page so I'll be making the count [8]+611. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:00, 20 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Devil's Bargain ==<br />
<br />
While getting ready to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10042 Devil's Bargain], I noticed that the "Author's Note" on pages 386-387 is missing. Do you mind if I add it when I add other notes and the WorldCat? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:15, 23 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: That's fine with me. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 02:41, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Iron Cage ==<br />
<br />
Looking at my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254488 Iron Cage], I think there are serious problems with this record.<br />
<br>1. The date should be 1974-00-00 per the [https://andre-norton.com/works-of-a-master/long-works-of-a-master/418-iron-cage andre-norton.com] website.<br />
<br>2. The wrong WorldCat number is cited. It should be [https://www.worldcat.org/title/iron-cage/oclc/317465464?referer=di&ht=edition 317465464]. The wrong WorldCat record caused the wrong date.<br />
<br>3. The artist signature on the back cover reads "CMikolaycak 1973 9" not "CMikolaycak 1975 9".<br />
<br>What do you think? I'm willing to change these but since you are the oldest active PV for this record, I'm not sure of the protocol.<br />
<br>Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:44, 7 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:I'm dropping this after discussing the situation with Taweiss [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Iron_Cage here]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:38, 12 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shiel Title ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2160647; I added Monster of Mu to Ninepenny series recently and noticed the title of Shiel's novel was slightly wrong; I removed the comma and made "But" "but". --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:15, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Yaril’s Children ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55659 Yaril’s Children], I made the following changes:<br />
<br>Changed page count to [10]+277<br />
<br>Added map title on page [10].<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:17, 23 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Kitty and the Dead Man's Hand / page count ==<br />
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I'm PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281727] and want to change the page count to 301. (I believe the rules support). Thoughts? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:36, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I went ahead and submitted an edit. Hopefully this is ok with you. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:01, 5 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cynthia ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?473400; I replaced cover with Fantlab's because it matches the one on the Archive.org copy to which I added a link, and I changed length to novelette because it's 26 pages of small print. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:44, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Blue Song / printing ==<br />
<br />
My edit [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5224058]] for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5152 Blue Song]] was rejected for not consulting with you. Could you take a look and check, please? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:33, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Red Moon and Black Mountain SFBC edition ==<br />
<br />
Would you please look at the title page of your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?108381 Red Moon and Black Mountain] and see if it shows "Red Moon" over "and" over "Black Mountain" in large lettering over "The End of the House of Kendreth" in smaller lettering? If it does, it matches my copy so I think the title should be changed to "Red Moon and Black Mountain: The End of the House of Kendreth". I'm willing to make the change since I need to make the same title change to the Ballantine pb first printing. (Ref: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Red_Moon_and_Black_Mountain]). Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:39, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Trip to the Moon ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359337; WorldCat says 41 pages, not 414. Can you check your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:31, 28 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Concerning ''A Trip to the Moon'' (Bristol: Horseshoe Publishing, 1925)<br />
: British Library record BL 000883253 reports 41 pp, octavo. It credits the author as "Mary DAWSON, Writer of Tales" (unique in its catalogue) --but doesn't reliably follow the title page thus.<br />
: Mary Dawson of 1967 ''Tecwyn, the Last of the Welsh Dragons'' (which evidently belongs in the database) and 1973 ''Tinker Tales'' (perhaps a candidate for deletion [https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/a/mary-dawson/tinker-tales/ Kirkus review]) is distinct from this author. They may be disambiguated soon. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:12, 23 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Last week I submitted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5330093] the Dawson disambiguation as PubUpdate including a link to that British Library record as 41pp. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:47, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Year of the Rats ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?93553; I corrected it to GUIGNON. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:11, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Thank you for correcting that typo. However, you did so in such a way that the author with the incorrect spelling was still included in the database, but with no titles attributed to them. I merged the two author records, using the correct spelling, and the duplicate incorrect record evaporated. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:59, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wind's Twelve Quarters 3rd printing ==<br />
<br />
I have proposed this to the other active PVs: Based on the printing history on the 4th printing copyright page [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?587854 here], I'd like to change the date on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298777 3rd printing] to 1977-09-00 and add a source note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:02, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thank you! I love it when one printing gives us a full history (to that date) of the previous printings. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 11:11, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Bones of the Past ==<br />
<br />
I would like to make the following changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5220 Bones of the Past] before I PV it:<br />
<br><br>1. Change the page count to [6]+ii+318+[9]<br />
<br>2. Replace the existing notes with these:<br />
<ul><br />
<li>"First Printing, March 1993"; no number line.<br />
<li>"Cover art by Larry Elmore" on the copyright page. Signature on the artwork.<br />
<li>The map on page [6] is uncredited and has no signature but is the same as the map credited to Ellen Kostyk in <i>Fire in the Mist</i>.<br />
<li>The map on page [319] is uncredited and has no signature.<br />
<li>LCCN from LoC catalog lookup.<br />
<li>The book starts with the "Prologue" on Roman numeral pages i and ii but then restarts the page numbering with Arabic numerals for the remainder of the book; the first page with a printed Arabic numeral is page 2.<br />
<li>Includes a 6-page extract from <i>Born to Run</i> by Mercedes Lackey & Larry Dixon titled "There Are Elves Out There".<br />
<li>The <i>Glossary of Odd or Foreign Terms</i> on page 313 is subtitled "(Including Several Words Your Mother Won't Approve Of)".<br />
<li>C$5.99 in Canada.<br />
</ul><br />
<br>3. On page [6], add interiorart title "Bones of the Past (map)" by Ellen Kostyk<br />
<br>4. On page 313, add essay title "Glossary of Odd or Foreign Terms (Bones of the Past)" by uncredited<br />
<br>5. On page [319] add interiorart title "Bones of the Past (map [2])" by uncredited<br />
<br>6. On page [321] add interiorart title "Tablet Found at Site of First-Folk Ruins" by uncredited<br />
<br>7. On page [322] add shortfiction title "There Are Elves Out There" by Mercedes Lackey and Larry Dixon. Once that title is created, I'll add a note to it explaining that it is an excerpt from <i>Born to Run</i>.<br />
<br><br />
<br>Would that be OK? I've also proposed this to active PV MLB. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:38, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mirror ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?502542; Orpen's painting online showed me which is the right cover for this book, https://www.amazon.it/I-vendicatori-angelici-Karen-Blixen/dp/8845906256, but Angelica is Angelici. So if you'd like, you could add your cover and fix the title, if necessary. Maybe it's Angelica on title page? --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:40, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Murphy/Sapir ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360319; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360313; I replaced unstable amazon images with Bookscans.com images. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:02, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Evans' Best Book ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5335934; Amazon image same as yours? --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:48, 6 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Miller/Contento Verification ==<br />
<br />
Hi Darrah<br />
<br />
You've got a Miller/Contento verification for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?639903 Summer 1998 issue] of ''The Ultimate Unknown''. I'm not seeing it in my copy of Miller/Contento, and I'm thinking that verification is probably not correct. I even checked the two listed stories in the index. Could you take a look in case I'm missing something in my copy? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:56, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fandom is for the Young ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325318; I added note about my uploading of cover on your list, but there's also questions I have about whether that "K-nut" nickname is on the title page and should be added to co-author's name and whether you should add xiii to page count since WorldCat does. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:39, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Pulp Paper Master Fiction Plot ==<br />
<br />
Hi Darrah<br />
<br />
I'm going to change the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1510103 this essay] by Lester Dent in Weinberg's ''The Man Behind Doc Savage''. The title page omits the initial article. I've also made it a variant of the original title, which is how it is listed in the table of contents. Please let me know if you have any concerns about these changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:09, 14 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Charles Gehm ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254536; fixed cover artist to Charles Gehm. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:20, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Remnant Population ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27791 Remnant Population], I added notes for the printing, printer's key, and LCCN, the count of unnumbered pages, and regular titles for both excerpts. I also fixed the misspelling of "Artist". [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:12, 20 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Web ==<br />
<br />
Added cover artist to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32888 Star Web] and modified associated note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:11, 29 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Tuck Numbering ==<br />
<br />
Hi Darrah -<br />
<br />
Another editor has changed the page count for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?209269 Tuck Volume 2] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?209273 Tuck Volume 3] from (8)+(244) to [8]+244 and (8)+(389) to [8]+389 respectively. The page numbering continues across all three volumes of Tuck and I suspect that was the reason for the non-standard numbering. These volumes also have a note explaining the continued numbering of those pages for the Arabic numbers. I don't think that the bracketed count for the pages with Roman numbers is correct. The brackets imply that the pages are not numbered. I would like to change the page count to give the number of pages using Roman numbers (viii+244 for 2 and viii+389 for 3) I would also update the note to explain the continued numbering ([xiii] to xx for 2 and [xxi] to xxviii for 3). I would also adjust the note for Volume 3 to indicate the start of the Arabic numbered pages as [231] (the page that would be 231 is a section title page and has no number). You have verified one or both of these books. Would you have any objections to my proposed changes? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:47, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Maquesta Kar-Thon ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21413 Maquesta Kar-Thon], I made the following changes:<br />
<br>- Changed page count to include last printed page number.<br />
<br>- Added the excerpt as a regular title.<br />
<br>- Removed "not included in the page count" from the excerpt note.<br />
<br>- Added the uncredited drawing of a woman that appears at the top of the first page of each chapter as a regular title.<br />
<br>- Added a variety of notes.<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:14, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Moonstone Mass ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279939; I added 2 ID including FantLab and replaced the cover with slightly better FantLab cover, plus fixed a few dates to match the 09-15 date of the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:01, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mudhead ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267566; I replaced OL cover with better Amazon cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:27, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Typo in Salmonson Anthology ==<br />
<br />
Hi Darrah -<br />
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I'm going to update the title of the Linzner story in our mutually verified publication ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?224985 Tales by Moonlight]'' as a result of [[User talk:Rtrace#Tales By Moonlight|this discussion]] to correct a typo. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:20, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Sin Eater ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500473; There's a note saying no price anywhere but Biblio.com shows the full cover with 21s on the front flap, so I added that. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:01, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Pennoyer ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279919; I added FantLab ID, fixed all original dates to match exact book date, and replaced dark and unstable Amazon cover with bright and stable Amazon cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:02, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Robin Hood ==<br />
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Hi. Could you contribute to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Why_is_Robin_Hood_in_the_database.3F this discussion]? That would be appreciated. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:30, 26 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Good Man Is Hard To Find ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409282; See this, https://archive.org/details/goodmanishardtof0000ocon, which has a higher price and different letters on the copyright page, in case you want to enter what's likely a later printing of your PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:30, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dick ~ Brackett / Solar Lottery ~ The Big Jump ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of active PVs: Chavey, Rtrace, Hifrommike65<br />
<br>I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31009 Solar Lottery ~ The Big Jump] and propose to change the date from 1955-00-00 to 1955-05-00 and add a pub note stating the source: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360808 Galactic Central Bibliography]. I will also add the month to the associated records (title and coverart). I will be adding the month to several other PKD books in the near future. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:35, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Tales ==<br />
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I have accepted the edits to your verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256623 pub] adding the month of publication and a source note. (The link to a photo of the title verso is in the notes to mod). [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:35, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Magic Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255994; Copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/details/magictime00reed, says cover artist is Wilenski, not Wilensky, and I think the month in the book supersedes what Locus says, unless a photo of a publisher's slip could be found. Artist name change is more important, though; there are tons of dates here that are off by a month. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:47, 20 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Melancholy of Anatomy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5492687; I added Archive.org link which was uploaded in 2013, added x to page count since that's on the 2nd contents page, replaced "P" cover image with OL image, added stories' # and removed section headings from some of the story titles. Anything different in your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:48, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Dracula Began ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269313; I replaced cover with one from Bookscans.com which is a bit clearer and better-framed, added the catalog ID from the cover, and wrote a bit of trivia in the notes about Vincent Price being on the cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:10, 30 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Book of Fairy Poetry illustration updates ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?434314 this publication], I've entered all of the interior artwork from a scanned copy of this publication. I then removed the generic "interior artwork" credit as it was redundant. I ran across this because I was merging duplicates and making variants from when I added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?928965 Goble's Fairy Tale Illustrations]. Please let me know if you have any questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:31, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Novacious, #1, December 1938 ==<br />
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When you have a moment, could you please check how {{A|Forrest J Ackerman}} is credited in your verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503814 ''Novacious, #1, December 1938'']? A scan of #4 is available online and it credits "Ackerman & Morojo" as co-editors. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:30, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nancy A. Collins / Sunglasses After Dark ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33790 Sunglasses After Dark] and will correct correct capitalization of "after" to "After" in title as per ISFDb standards, upload a cover image, import a coverart record (same art as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33791 Kinnell hc]) and add pub notes. Although I don't have the Kinnell ed, I will make corresponding changes to its pub record which you have also PVd. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 10 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nancy A. Collins / In the Blood ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18004 In the Blood] and will correct page count to 302, replace unstable Amazon image and add notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:19, 10 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lou Aronica & Shawna McCarthy / Full Spectrum ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14814 Full Spectrum]<br />
<br>1) "Moments of Clarity" is on page 97 not 96 as stated in ToC. I will change this and add a pub note.<br />
<br>2) "Bible Stories for Adults No. 17: The Deluge" has no comma on page 331 but the ToC incorrectly lists it with a comma. I will change this, add a pub note and do the varianting. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:25, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Suppose They Gave A Peace ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354695; I added Archive.org link, fixed 316 pp. to 317 pp. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:48, 11 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bartle and Burgess Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27711; I added a , after the word Fantasy in the title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:43, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Galactic Girl ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?388575; Earlier Star ed. just uploaded on Archive.org, ISBN's last 3 #'s crossed out and 48X written in which is the ISBN on ISFDB, your ed. has the old ISBN which links online to 1980 Star ed. of The Elephant Man. Is it crossed out in your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Invaders from Earth (NOVEL) ==<br />
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Five weeks ago I revised your note on the novel ''Invaders from Earth'' T{{t|2798}}, using your more adequate note on the "Mauraders" novella, with this Note to Moderator:<br />
: hold for User:Chavey<br />
: [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Robert Silverberg's "We, the Marauders" and "Invaders from Earth"]]<br />
There I concluded (quote):<br />
: I would have named the "writer's blog" that is also the "FictionMagsIndex mailing list", if I understand correctly. I won't make the call that it belongs in the Notes but hope you will identify it here with a link. --Pwendt|talk 11:53, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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In the meantime I have been promoted to self-approver, and I approved the NOVEL title update moments ago.<br />
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I wonder whether a fiction Series should be used to group works such as this novel and novella, which are versions of the same story (I know only from your note). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 08:38, 24 February 2023 (EST)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zapp&diff=655845
User talk:Zapp
2023-02-20T01:24:34Z
<p>Pwendt: /* Basil of Baker Street */ continued re Cleanup Reports</p>
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<div>== Archives ==<br />
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[[User talk:Zapp/Archive-2015-2021|2015-2021]]<br />
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== Exhalation ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5412193 this submission]: I'm not seeing any artwork at the provided source that is titled "Exhalation". There are only 2 clear book covers, but neither are for a book titled Exhalation. Can you please clarify? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:00, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Artworks on that site are not entitled. Count #14 is [https://www.irancartoon.com/site/media/zgalleries/490c10ecfc3d658be2187738b8122907/greg-broadmore-new-zealand-66.jpg this one]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 13:22, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::That is the cover for ''Faction: Kiwi Comic Anthology, Issue 1''. It is also the same artwork used for {{P|788223|CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention}} (which credited Broadmore for it). What is your source that this same artwork was used for a book titled ''Exhalation'' and that it is the ''Exhalation'' that appeared in ''CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention''? Have you checked with Rtrace? He is pretty detailed and I would think that if the coverart for ''CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention'' had appeared within the pub twice, he would have varianted it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:24, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Ups, I confused coverart and interiorart, Sorry. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 14:32, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Varianting into another variant ==<br />
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Hi, I rejected your varianting a Swedish John Rackham title into a Swedisch John T. Phillifent title not only for the reason stated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5418530 here (top)], but also because you have put the translator only into the new variant. If the John T. Phillifent title gets varianted against its English original we'll lose the translator, because the then empty Swedish title has no publications and gets deleted. Always put the translator in the original translated work, and preferably variant against the original title.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 03:52, 13 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Excerpts? ==<br />
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I'm holding these two submissions, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5415893 Das dunkle Feuer] & [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5415894 Riley : Das Mädchen im Licht]. Are these excerpts? You refer to them as 'appending advertising' in the notes to the publications in which they occur. Since the titles are exactly the same as the related titles, we append " (excerpt)". 'Das dunkle Feuer (excerpt)' & 'Riley: Das Mädchen im Licht (excerpt)'. (note my removal of the space in the second title). No need to resubmit, let me know and I will approve your submissions and make the changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:30, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, these are indeed excerpts as previews for the complete novels. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:46, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and updated. In the future, consider adding identifying information in the excerpt title note. 'First chapter', 'first 8 pages' 'the first story in the collection', etc. Any information which can help to determine whether subsequent excerpts need to be merged or disambiguated. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:12, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-moderation ==<br />
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Hello Zapp, <br />
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Had you thought about asking for getting permissions for self-moderation? If you prefer to stay as you are or to just wait a bit longer, that's ok but you are familiar with most of the DB, understand our varianting, pseudonyming and dating rules (which are usually the major problematic areas for most editors) so I am comfortable supporting an application for self-moderation from you if you wish to do that. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:07, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I am surprised by your offer. The following questions arise: What happens to my current pending edits if I accept the self-moderation? is there a control of the self-moderation edits? Can mistakes or errors be discovered? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 04:35, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Continued [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Anniemod#Self-moderation there]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 17:13, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Sorry, took the weekend off internet :) <br />
::: Why would you be surprised? You are one of the better editors around here, you know the DB and you rarely mess up. :) It is a community process - if you decide you want it, you post the request on the Community Support board and it will take a few days for people to say if they agree or not and so on before you get the flag (if people do not disagree too strongly).<br />
:::* The existing pending edits already submitted at the time of the adding of the flag will need to be handled by a moderator. Usually you can find a willing moderator to clear them for you (ping me if it gets to that).<br />
:::* Control is similar to the control for new moderators - the community assists - expect a moderator or three to stop by your page occasionally with a question about some of your edits or reminding you of some rules. Note that self-approver's edits CAN be approved by a moderator if needed and you can always just ask someone for assistance (before or after an edit) if you are not sure.<br />
:::* Errors and mistakes: the same way it happens now - either via a cleanup report or via someone seeing it in the Recent Changes (or stumbling on it later)<br />
:::If you prefer to still stay under moderation for awhile longer, that's ok as well. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:32, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Okay, I'll post a request on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-moderation:_Zapp Community Support board]. Thanks. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:54, 20 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Congratulations, you are now a self-approver :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:08, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines series ==<br />
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Just as a reminder: the magazine name forms a series and not a publication series. We have some of these entered in both places - the pub series field needs to be cleaned up for these. Thus [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5432829 this rejection] :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:48, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Juvenile Flag ==<br />
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If the fiction title in a CHAPBOOK is flagged juvenile, then the container tile must also be flagged (and vice-versa). I fixed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3081666 this one]. They appear on the exception report [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?242 here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:29, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, January/February 2022 ==<br />
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Please be careful when adding external IDs - they need to match the edition. [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09WJZ387D This ASIN] is the paper issue, not the ebook (the fact that Amazon adds shipping tells you it is a physical book and not an ebook - among other clues on the page). I removed it from the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?875782 ebook record]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:46, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?912554 the March/April issue]. If you had done a lot of these in the last days, you may want to recheck all of them (welcome to self-moderation - you always recheck your work because you do not have someone checking every edit) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:49, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I saw but You've been faster. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 12:32, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: I am the PV of the first (thus seeing the change as soon as I opened the site for the day) and I just checked the rest of 2022 while I had the EDITOR record open anyway :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:57, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Avi Loeb novel? ==<br />
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Hi, it seems you established all the variants of titles by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352513 Avi Loeb]. But judging from Amazon and Loeb's Wikipedia entry "Extraterrestrial" ain't a novel but "a popular science account" (Wikipedia), and thus not eligible for our database. From where does the NOVEL title type stem? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:46, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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The German version also was reviewed as a piece of nonfiction in an issue of "Spektrum der Wissenschaft". Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:23, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: As I understood from the reviews, it is a speculative text about extraterrestrial technology based on interpretations of astronomical observations:<br>"Harvard’s top astronomer lays out his controversial theory that our solar system was recently visited by advanced alien technology from a distant star.<br>In late 2017, scientists at a Hawaiian observatory glimpsed an object soaring through our inner solar system, moving so quickly that it could only have come from another star. Avi Loeb, Harvard’s top astronomer, showed it was not an asteroid; it was moving too fast along a strange orbit, and left no trail of gas or debris in its wake. There was only one conceivable explanation: the object was a piece of advanced technology created by a distant alien civilization.<br>In Extraterrestrial, Loeb takes listeners inside the thrilling story of the first interstellar visitor to be spotted in our solar system. He outlines his controversial theory and its profound implications: for science, for religion, and for the future of our species and our planet. A mind-bending journey through the furthest reaches of science, space-time, and the human imagination, Extraterrestrial challenges listeners to aim for the stars - and to think critically about what’s out there, no matter how strange it seems."<br>Maybe it's NONFICTION ? Or an essay ? I'm going to read it. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 11:56, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: "speculative text about extraterrestrial technology based on interpretations of astronomical observation" will be etranslations ligible ONLY if it is fiction. Non-fictional speculative accounts (historical What-If, "is there life on other planets" and so on) are not eligible - the only non-fiction eligible to be added is non-fiction related to speculative fiction. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:40, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: The review describes it partly as an account of the obect's discovery and partly as a discussion if it might be an alien artifact (and that's the part where the speculation comes in, as Loeb is in favor of this interpretation); so, nonfiction it is. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:53, 22 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: FYI, all these titles showed up on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?287 Publications with Invalid Page Numbers] exception report. Only Arabic numerals are allowed in the pipe sort field. I fixed them before I saw this thread. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:13, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I've got a copy of the German edition at hand, and it ''is'' a (non-eligible) piece of nonfiction, so I'm going to delete some of the publications & titles (the other translations). Would you please help to delete (perhaps the English ones)? <br />
::::: For future additions: please apply more caution when entering new titles (just because something looks like a novel doesn't mean it has to be one). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:20, 3 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::: And one more thing: we do enter subtitles without a space between the title proper and the colon, so the title should have been entered as "Außerirdisch: Intelligentes Leben jenseits unseres Planeten" instead of "Außerirdisch : Intelligentes Leben jenseits unseres Planeten". Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:27, 3 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: By now, I've deleted all the titles, and read some relevant chapters: it seems to be possible that it was in fact an artifact that passed in 2017 through the Solar System. It's really a pity that we'll never know! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:47, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::::: I've been very busy the last time, so I paused here. I read the book, too, and found out it was in fact a nonfiction scientific book with parts of the author's biography. It comes close to other UFO declearing texts.<br />
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== Title Merging ==<br />
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I ran across a couple recent merges where the wrong values were selected:<br />
*For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5492711 this merge] of {{T|68309|For the Blood Is the Life}}: ISFDB standards are that "Is" should be capitalized. <br />
*For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5492665 this merge] of {{T|835276|Luella Miller}}: ISFDB standards are that we date variants based on the date the variant was first published, not the first appearance of the story overall. <br />
I have updated both records. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:22, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Murder and Magic - Coverart Record - Incorrectly Varianted ==<br />
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I recently created this new pub: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929549 Murder and Magic - Ace fourth printing] with a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3126118 Coverart record by R. Adragna]. I see from the edit history that you have varianted this to the artist's canonical name: Robert Adragna. However, all is not well. As you can see from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=contains&TERM_1=murder+and+magic&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=adragna&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title this search result], there are now two parent records for this coverart under the artist's canonical name. I think you varianted it to a new parent title whereas it should have been varianted to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?141169 this existing parent title]. I have submitted an edit to correct this by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5534236 merging the two parents]. NB: if you do not see this post until after the merge has been approved, then the search result above will only show one parent. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 14:03, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry for causing that confusion. It came from the existing of more than one alternate name. But that's no problem. As You found out all four records [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=contains&TERM_1=murder+and+magic&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=adragna&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title here] can be merged together. Go ahaed and try. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:35, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan #500 / German Science Fiction Times Nr. 118/19 ==<br />
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Hi, you may be pleased to know that I have managed to get my hands on the Feb/March edition of the German Science Fiction Times for 1971. On p. 39 it states that (a) with the beginning of February 1971 Moewig changed its day of publication from Wednesday to Friday and (b) that Perry Rhodan Nr. 500 was to be published on 26 March 1971. <br />
This means that the 'missing week' or surplus issue did not occur in 1972. Instead Moewig must have changed its day of publication ''at least'' twice, i.e from Friday to Wednesday sometime in the late 1960s and the back to Friday in Feb 1971. Which is very similar to what Pabel-Moewig did in December 2003, when the day switched from Tuesday (PR 2206 / 2 Dec 2003) back to Friday (PR 2207 / 5 Dec 2003).<br />
Now we 'only' need ebven older editions of SFT to pinpoint the preceding change(s). Cheers, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 03:59, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:That's interesting news. I have to think about again after a long period of resting. At the moment have a look [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Erscheinungstermine#Erstauflage here]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 17:19, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br><br />
:One question is: The Changing from Wednesday to Friday means the Friday after Wednesday or the Friday before Wednesday? I'm confused at the moment. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 17:35, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Without any further data it's going to be difficult to confirm. My personal assumption is that there would have been two numbers in one week, as happened in 2003 - but that's only guesswork. I'm still searching for older Science Fiction Times to confirm what really happened. Sadly, back in the day no references were made inside the actual publications. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 05:08, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: #500 on Friday, 26 March 1971; scheduled #493 on Friday 5 February 1971; on beginning of February (Monday, 1 February) changing from Wednesday (3 February) to Friday (5 February). I guess that means 2 days later, and no second issue the same week. It was not known a publishing day as of Wednesday, see table of publication days [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Ver%C3%B6ffentlichungen#Erstauflage here]. Anyhow, #500 is a new fixed point. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 06:28, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Exactly, at least #500 is fixed. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 08:37, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::: I copied Your statement into https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Diskussion:Sie_kamen_aus_dem_Nichts . My interest is in the exact words the information is published in SFT 118/119. Is it part of an essay or an advertisement by Moewig? I took a look into the ISFDB magazine page 'Science Fiction Times (German)'. There are a lot of issues missing. Is it possible for You to contribute the #118/119? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 01:40, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::: Continued [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JLochhas#Perry_Rhodan_#500 there]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 10:16, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cloning for an earlier edition ==<br />
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Just a hint, if you clone a publication to add an earlier edition (like you did [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5565528 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5565852 here], sometimes it's smarter to change the title dates before cloning. If there's only one edition in the database, the dates of all contents can be changed in one edit. Now it takes 22 edits to correct them all. Cheers, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 08:45, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes I know, I forgot to change the dates. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 08:59, 1 February 2023 (EST) <br> Done --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 09:12, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Basil of Baker Street ==<br />
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Hi, It appears that you converted all of series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?41700 The Great Mouse Detective] from novels and NOVELs to novelettes and CHAPBOOKs, perhaps based on my January beginning for the inaugural story T{{t|1987061}} [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5552096 with 12000-word estimate]. That was near top of my list to do after becoming a "self-approver", when I nominated myself last fortnight. <br><br />
By the way, the 12000 estimate is rough, but I'm certain #1 is well below 15000 and 90% sure #2-5 are below our novella threshold 17500 words, because they share publisher and illustrator, with page counts not very different. Anyway, here's letting you know that I did estimate, in case you missed it, and anyone asks you. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:37, 19 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: It occurs to me also that you may be working on one of the auto-generated Cleanup Reports.<br />
: Exploring the list of reports last hour, I see that you and I appear responsible for all 3 Juvenile/Non-juvenile Mismatches --all concerning the Nancy Drew short stories and collections, at the top of my list-- and 1 of 2 [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?195 Invalid Title Content Values] --I infer you should have removed "1-5" after Basil OMNIBUS conversion. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 19 February 2023 (EST)</div>
Pwendt
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zapp&diff=655826
User talk:Zapp
2023-02-19T21:37:03Z
<p>Pwendt: /* Basil of Baker Street */ new section</p>
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<div>== Archives ==<br />
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[[User talk:Zapp/Archive-2015-2021|2015-2021]]<br />
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== Exhalation ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5412193 this submission]: I'm not seeing any artwork at the provided source that is titled "Exhalation". There are only 2 clear book covers, but neither are for a book titled Exhalation. Can you please clarify? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:00, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Artworks on that site are not entitled. Count #14 is [https://www.irancartoon.com/site/media/zgalleries/490c10ecfc3d658be2187738b8122907/greg-broadmore-new-zealand-66.jpg this one]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 13:22, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::That is the cover for ''Faction: Kiwi Comic Anthology, Issue 1''. It is also the same artwork used for {{P|788223|CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention}} (which credited Broadmore for it). What is your source that this same artwork was used for a book titled ''Exhalation'' and that it is the ''Exhalation'' that appeared in ''CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention''? Have you checked with Rtrace? He is pretty detailed and I would think that if the coverart for ''CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention'' had appeared within the pub twice, he would have varianted it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:24, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Ups, I confused coverart and interiorart, Sorry. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 14:32, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Varianting into another variant ==<br />
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Hi, I rejected your varianting a Swedish John Rackham title into a Swedisch John T. Phillifent title not only for the reason stated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5418530 here (top)], but also because you have put the translator only into the new variant. If the John T. Phillifent title gets varianted against its English original we'll lose the translator, because the then empty Swedish title has no publications and gets deleted. Always put the translator in the original translated work, and preferably variant against the original title.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 03:52, 13 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Excerpts? ==<br />
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I'm holding these two submissions, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5415893 Das dunkle Feuer] & [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5415894 Riley : Das Mädchen im Licht]. Are these excerpts? You refer to them as 'appending advertising' in the notes to the publications in which they occur. Since the titles are exactly the same as the related titles, we append " (excerpt)". 'Das dunkle Feuer (excerpt)' & 'Riley: Das Mädchen im Licht (excerpt)'. (note my removal of the space in the second title). No need to resubmit, let me know and I will approve your submissions and make the changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:30, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, these are indeed excerpts as previews for the complete novels. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:46, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and updated. In the future, consider adding identifying information in the excerpt title note. 'First chapter', 'first 8 pages' 'the first story in the collection', etc. Any information which can help to determine whether subsequent excerpts need to be merged or disambiguated. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:12, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-moderation ==<br />
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Hello Zapp, <br />
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Had you thought about asking for getting permissions for self-moderation? If you prefer to stay as you are or to just wait a bit longer, that's ok but you are familiar with most of the DB, understand our varianting, pseudonyming and dating rules (which are usually the major problematic areas for most editors) so I am comfortable supporting an application for self-moderation from you if you wish to do that. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:07, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I am surprised by your offer. The following questions arise: What happens to my current pending edits if I accept the self-moderation? is there a control of the self-moderation edits? Can mistakes or errors be discovered? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 04:35, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Continued [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Anniemod#Self-moderation there]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 17:13, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Sorry, took the weekend off internet :) <br />
::: Why would you be surprised? You are one of the better editors around here, you know the DB and you rarely mess up. :) It is a community process - if you decide you want it, you post the request on the Community Support board and it will take a few days for people to say if they agree or not and so on before you get the flag (if people do not disagree too strongly).<br />
:::* The existing pending edits already submitted at the time of the adding of the flag will need to be handled by a moderator. Usually you can find a willing moderator to clear them for you (ping me if it gets to that).<br />
:::* Control is similar to the control for new moderators - the community assists - expect a moderator or three to stop by your page occasionally with a question about some of your edits or reminding you of some rules. Note that self-approver's edits CAN be approved by a moderator if needed and you can always just ask someone for assistance (before or after an edit) if you are not sure.<br />
:::* Errors and mistakes: the same way it happens now - either via a cleanup report or via someone seeing it in the Recent Changes (or stumbling on it later)<br />
:::If you prefer to still stay under moderation for awhile longer, that's ok as well. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:32, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Okay, I'll post a request on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-moderation:_Zapp Community Support board]. Thanks. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:54, 20 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Congratulations, you are now a self-approver :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:08, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines series ==<br />
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Just as a reminder: the magazine name forms a series and not a publication series. We have some of these entered in both places - the pub series field needs to be cleaned up for these. Thus [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5432829 this rejection] :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:48, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Juvenile Flag ==<br />
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If the fiction title in a CHAPBOOK is flagged juvenile, then the container tile must also be flagged (and vice-versa). I fixed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3081666 this one]. They appear on the exception report [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?242 here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:29, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, January/February 2022 ==<br />
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Please be careful when adding external IDs - they need to match the edition. [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09WJZ387D This ASIN] is the paper issue, not the ebook (the fact that Amazon adds shipping tells you it is a physical book and not an ebook - among other clues on the page). I removed it from the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?875782 ebook record]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:46, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?912554 the March/April issue]. If you had done a lot of these in the last days, you may want to recheck all of them (welcome to self-moderation - you always recheck your work because you do not have someone checking every edit) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:49, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I saw but You've been faster. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 12:32, 4 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: I am the PV of the first (thus seeing the change as soon as I opened the site for the day) and I just checked the rest of 2022 while I had the EDITOR record open anyway :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:57, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Avi Loeb novel? ==<br />
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Hi, it seems you established all the variants of titles by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352513 Avi Loeb]. But judging from Amazon and Loeb's Wikipedia entry "Extraterrestrial" ain't a novel but "a popular science account" (Wikipedia), and thus not eligible for our database. From where does the NOVEL title type stem? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:46, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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The German version also was reviewed as a piece of nonfiction in an issue of "Spektrum der Wissenschaft". Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:23, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: As I understood from the reviews, it is a speculative text about extraterrestrial technology based on interpretations of astronomical observations:<br>"Harvard’s top astronomer lays out his controversial theory that our solar system was recently visited by advanced alien technology from a distant star.<br>In late 2017, scientists at a Hawaiian observatory glimpsed an object soaring through our inner solar system, moving so quickly that it could only have come from another star. Avi Loeb, Harvard’s top astronomer, showed it was not an asteroid; it was moving too fast along a strange orbit, and left no trail of gas or debris in its wake. There was only one conceivable explanation: the object was a piece of advanced technology created by a distant alien civilization.<br>In Extraterrestrial, Loeb takes listeners inside the thrilling story of the first interstellar visitor to be spotted in our solar system. He outlines his controversial theory and its profound implications: for science, for religion, and for the future of our species and our planet. A mind-bending journey through the furthest reaches of science, space-time, and the human imagination, Extraterrestrial challenges listeners to aim for the stars - and to think critically about what’s out there, no matter how strange it seems."<br>Maybe it's NONFICTION ? Or an essay ? I'm going to read it. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 11:56, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: "speculative text about extraterrestrial technology based on interpretations of astronomical observation" will be etranslations ligible ONLY if it is fiction. Non-fictional speculative accounts (historical What-If, "is there life on other planets" and so on) are not eligible - the only non-fiction eligible to be added is non-fiction related to speculative fiction. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:40, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: The review describes it partly as an account of the obect's discovery and partly as a discussion if it might be an alien artifact (and that's the part where the speculation comes in, as Loeb is in favor of this interpretation); so, nonfiction it is. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:53, 22 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: FYI, all these titles showed up on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?287 Publications with Invalid Page Numbers] exception report. Only Arabic numerals are allowed in the pipe sort field. I fixed them before I saw this thread. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:13, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I've got a copy of the German edition at hand, and it ''is'' a (non-eligible) piece of nonfiction, so I'm going to delete some of the publications & titles (the other translations). Would you please help to delete (perhaps the English ones)? <br />
::::: For future additions: please apply more caution when entering new titles (just because something looks like a novel doesn't mean it has to be one). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:20, 3 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::: And one more thing: we do enter subtitles without a space between the title proper and the colon, so the title should have been entered as "Außerirdisch: Intelligentes Leben jenseits unseres Planeten" instead of "Außerirdisch : Intelligentes Leben jenseits unseres Planeten". Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:27, 3 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: By now, I've deleted all the titles, and read some relevant chapters: it seems to be possible that it was in fact an artifact that passed in 2017 through the Solar System. It's really a pity that we'll never know! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:47, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::::: I've been very busy the last time, so I paused here. I read the book, too, and found out it was in fact a nonfiction scientific book with parts of the author's biography. It comes close to other UFO declearing texts.<br />
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== Title Merging ==<br />
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I ran across a couple recent merges where the wrong values were selected:<br />
*For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5492711 this merge] of {{T|68309|For the Blood Is the Life}}: ISFDB standards are that "Is" should be capitalized. <br />
*For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5492665 this merge] of {{T|835276|Luella Miller}}: ISFDB standards are that we date variants based on the date the variant was first published, not the first appearance of the story overall. <br />
I have updated both records. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:22, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Murder and Magic - Coverart Record - Incorrectly Varianted ==<br />
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I recently created this new pub: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929549 Murder and Magic - Ace fourth printing] with a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3126118 Coverart record by R. Adragna]. I see from the edit history that you have varianted this to the artist's canonical name: Robert Adragna. However, all is not well. As you can see from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=contains&TERM_1=murder+and+magic&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=adragna&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title this search result], there are now two parent records for this coverart under the artist's canonical name. I think you varianted it to a new parent title whereas it should have been varianted to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?141169 this existing parent title]. I have submitted an edit to correct this by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5534236 merging the two parents]. NB: if you do not see this post until after the merge has been approved, then the search result above will only show one parent. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 14:03, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry for causing that confusion. It came from the existing of more than one alternate name. But that's no problem. As You found out all four records [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=contains&TERM_1=murder+and+magic&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=adragna&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title here] can be merged together. Go ahaed and try. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:35, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan #500 / German Science Fiction Times Nr. 118/19 ==<br />
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Hi, you may be pleased to know that I have managed to get my hands on the Feb/March edition of the German Science Fiction Times for 1971. On p. 39 it states that (a) with the beginning of February 1971 Moewig changed its day of publication from Wednesday to Friday and (b) that Perry Rhodan Nr. 500 was to be published on 26 March 1971. <br />
This means that the 'missing week' or surplus issue did not occur in 1972. Instead Moewig must have changed its day of publication ''at least'' twice, i.e from Friday to Wednesday sometime in the late 1960s and the back to Friday in Feb 1971. Which is very similar to what Pabel-Moewig did in December 2003, when the day switched from Tuesday (PR 2206 / 2 Dec 2003) back to Friday (PR 2207 / 5 Dec 2003).<br />
Now we 'only' need ebven older editions of SFT to pinpoint the preceding change(s). Cheers, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 03:59, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:That's interesting news. I have to think about again after a long period of resting. At the moment have a look [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Erscheinungstermine#Erstauflage here]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 17:19, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br><br />
:One question is: The Changing from Wednesday to Friday means the Friday after Wednesday or the Friday before Wednesday? I'm confused at the moment. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 17:35, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Without any further data it's going to be difficult to confirm. My personal assumption is that there would have been two numbers in one week, as happened in 2003 - but that's only guesswork. I'm still searching for older Science Fiction Times to confirm what really happened. Sadly, back in the day no references were made inside the actual publications. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 05:08, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: #500 on Friday, 26 March 1971; scheduled #493 on Friday 5 February 1971; on beginning of February (Monday, 1 February) changing from Wednesday (3 February) to Friday (5 February). I guess that means 2 days later, and no second issue the same week. It was not known a publishing day as of Wednesday, see table of publication days [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Ver%C3%B6ffentlichungen#Erstauflage here]. Anyhow, #500 is a new fixed point. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 06:28, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Exactly, at least #500 is fixed. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 08:37, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::: I copied Your statement into https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Diskussion:Sie_kamen_aus_dem_Nichts . My interest is in the exact words the information is published in SFT 118/119. Is it part of an essay or an advertisement by Moewig? I took a look into the ISFDB magazine page 'Science Fiction Times (German)'. There are a lot of issues missing. Is it possible for You to contribute the #118/119? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 01:40, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::: Continued [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JLochhas#Perry_Rhodan_#500 there]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 10:16, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cloning for an earlier edition ==<br />
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Just a hint, if you clone a publication to add an earlier edition (like you did [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5565528 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5565852 here], sometimes it's smarter to change the title dates before cloning. If there's only one edition in the database, the dates of all contents can be changed in one edit. Now it takes 22 edits to correct them all. Cheers, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 08:45, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes I know, I forgot to change the dates. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 08:59, 1 February 2023 (EST) <br> Done --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 09:12, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Basil of Baker Street ==<br />
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Hi, It appears that you converted all of series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?41700 The Great Mouse Detective] from novels and NOVELs to novelettes and CHAPBOOKs, perhaps based on my January beginning for the inaugural story T{{t|1987061}} [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5552096 with 12000-word estimate]. That was near top of my list to do after becoming a "self-approver", when I nominated myself last fortnight. <br />
By the way, the 12000 estimate is rough, but I'm certain #1 is well below 15000 and 90% sure #2-5 are below our novella threshold 17500 words, because they share publisher and illustrator, with page counts not very different. Anyway, here's letting you know that I did estimate, in case you missed it, and anyone asks you. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:37, 19 February 2023 (EST)</div>
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2017-08 {{t|ok}} scan of entire list for art Author born 19c and earlier, all with some entry in this list, as follows for those not in the database<br />
:- 19 Alastair '''--nidb<br />
AuthorUpdate done for all entries annotated in this list, including English Wikipedia ('e') always; Library of Congress ('l') almost always; ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' ('f') all entries and many redirects. For instance compare {{a|Frank E. Schoonover}} ('f') with {{a| J. C. Leyendecker}} and {{a|Norman Rockwell}} (no 'f'), where I judged that the Encyclopedia article "Illustration" adds too little value on Leyendecker and Rockwell. That is, the ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' link for Schoonover constitutes a recommendation.<br />
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l Gruger, F. R. {{a|142872}} (82)<br />
Henninger, A. B. {{a|251516}} https://lccn.loc.gov/no2016131309 (0) https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no2016-131309 --identity uncertain<br />
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* Weir, Harrison https://lccn.loc.gov/n84167976 (25)<br />
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: 1852? ''The Doll and Her Friends'', illus. Browne, https://lccn.loc.gov/42049305 OCLC 13033625 <br />
:: [[User talk:Biomassbob#Riverside Quarterly, August 1975]]<br />
:: 1893 as by Mrs. Fairstar, illus. Frank M. Gregory [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uva.x000956920?urlappend=%3Bseq=17 at HDL], Preface + 1-110 ~20000 words<br />
: 1854? ''Cat and Dog'', illus. Weir, https://lccn.loc.gov/2006576003 OCLC<br />
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q4- +elsf Achilleos, Chris {{a|56901}} (4) ,1947 .<br />
4- Adams, Neal ,1941 .<br />
q1- +el f Addams, Charles "Chas" {{a|7218}} (28) ,1912 .<br />
:- Alastair = Hans Henning Voigt (1887-1969) () ,1887 '''--nidb<br />
2- Alcala, Alfredo P () ,1925 ..<br />
q4- +elsf Aldridge, Alan {{a|2285}} (19) ,1943 .<br />
q#- +EIl f Arcimboldo, Giuseppe {{a|147500}} (8) --Arcimboldi, boldo, boldus ,1526 ..<br />
q0- el f Ardizzone, Edward {{a|34128}} (163) ,1900 .<br />
> Aris, Ernest Alfred () ,1882 > "(1882-1963) UK artist. See Illustration.<br />
> '''ART''' > Fantasy Art; Illustration<br />
>q:. +el f Attwell, Mabel Lucy {{a|226763}} (6) ,1879 .. > Illustration<br />
2- Ayrton, Michael () ,1921 .<br />
[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:52, 19 February 2023 (EST) .. Baynes, Pauline -- not in EoF !<br />
4- Bantock, Nick () ,1949 .<br />
q:. +el f Barker, Cicely Mary {{a|139279}} (36) ,1895 .<br />
q0- +el f Barks, Carl {{a|31550}} (22) ,1901 ..<br />
> Barr, George () ,1937 > "(1937- ) US illustrator. See Virgil Finlay.<br />
3- Barr, Ken () ,1933 ..<br />
q:- el f Beardsley, Aubrey {{a|25644}} (119) ,1872 .<br />
> Beck, C C () ,1910 > "(1910-1989) US Comics artist. See Captain Marvel.<br />
>.. Bell, Julie () ,1958 > "(1958- ) US artist. See Olivia.<br />
Bellamy, Frank () ,1917 '''--nidb<br />
3- Bermejo, Luis () ,1931 .<br />
6- Bisley, Simon () ,1962 ..<br />
q:- +el f Blampied, Edmund {{a|233191}} (6) ,1886 ..<br />
5- Bolton, John () ,1951 ..<br />
q#- ENlf Bosch, Hieronymus {{a|26314}} (100) ,1450 ..<br />
Breccia, Alberto () ,1919 '''--nidb<br />
q3- +elsf Briggs, Raymond {{a|117601}} (72) ,1934 .<br />
> Briggs, Stephen () ,1951 > "(1951- ) UK writer/illustrator. See Terry Pratchett.<br />
:- el f Brock, C E {{a|37686}} (60) ,1870 ..<br />
:- el f Brock, H M {{a|62371}} (23) ,1875 ..<br />
>q:- +el f [W. H.] Brooke, William Henry {{a|258457}} (3) -- illus. Croker 1825 > Illustration <br />
q#- el f Bruegel, Pieter {{a|121308}} (142) ,1525 ..<br />
q:- +el f Bull, René {{a|180200}} (7) ,1872 ..<br />
q:- el f Burne-Jones, [Sir] Edward {{a|26365}} (60) ,1833 .<br />
4- Burns, Jim () ,1948 ..<br />
Burns, John M () ,1935 '''--nidb<br />
><br />
q:- el f Caldecott, Randolph {{a|134537}} (85) ,1846 ..<br />
5- Campbell, Eddie () ,1955 .<br />
2- Cawthorn, James () ,1929 .<br />
5- Chaykin, Howard () ,1950 ..<br />
q:- elsf Chesterton, G K {{a|2044}} (520) -- chiefly as writer ,1874<br />
:- Čiurlionis, Mykalojus Konstantinas () ,1875 '''--nidb<br />
q:- +el f Clarke, Harry {{a|121981}} (10) ,1889 ..<br />
q:- +el f Coll, Joseph Clement {{a|114370}} (9) ,1881 ..<br />
4- Corben, Richard () ,1940 .<br />
q1- elsf Crandall, Reed {{a|122264}} (24) ,1917 .. <br />
q:- el f Crane, Walter {{a|117080}} (152) ,1845 ..<br />
3- Crepax, Guido () ,1933 ..<br />
q#- el f Cruikshank, George {{a|116830}} (632) ,1792 [http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/6843 Oxford DNB] born -09-27 .<br />
q:- +el f Dadd, Richard {{a|116450}} (2) ,1817 ..<br />
q0- el f Dalí, Salvador {{a|24855}} (293) ,1904 .<br />
4- Dean, Roger () ,1944 ..<br />
q:- +el f de Bosschère, Jean {{a|153904}} (34) ,1878 <br />
Delano, Jamie () ,1954 '''--nidb except one interview (uncertain identity noted {{a|146025}})<br />
q:- +EFlf de Neuville, Alphonse Marie {{a|174616}} (12) ,1836 ..<br />
>#- Dietterlin, Wendel {{a|108464}} (7) > "(1550-1599). See Edifice; Giovanni Battista Piranesi.<br />
https://lccn.loc.gov/n87805561 ,1550 ..<br />
q4- +elsf Di Fate, Vincent {{a|1803}} (7) ,1945<br />
>:- Dirks, Rudolph () ,1863 > "(1863-1928) US comics artist. See Comics." Katzenjammer Kids '''--nidb<br />
Disney, Walt () ,1901 '''--nidb<br />
2- Ditko, Steve () ,1927 ..<br />
q:- EFlf Doré, Gustave {{a|26414}} (305) ,1832 ..<br />
q:- el f Doyle, Richard {{a|157832}} (57) ,1824 .<br />
> Druillet, Philippe () ,1944 > "(1944- ) French writer. See Moebius.<br />
q:- EFlf Dulac, Edmund {{a|105321}} (63) ,1882 .<br />
>q#- el f Dürer, Albrecht >> [Illustration] {{a|77865}} (485) ,1471 ..<br />
q4- elsf Edwards, Les {{a|25101}} (3) ,1949 ..<br />
> Eggleton, Bob () ,1960 > "(1960- ) US artist. See Illustration; Realms of Fantasy; Weird Tales.<br />
q1- el f Eisner, Will {{a|37770}} (98) ,1917 .. <br />
> Eleuteri-Serpieri, Paolo () ,1944 > "(1944- ) Italian Comics artist. See Druuna.<br />
3- Embleton, Ron () ,1930 .<br />
Emett, Rowland () ,1906 '''--nidb<br />
q:- el f Ernst, Max {{a|25280}} (195) ,1891 ..<br />
q:- elsf Escher, M C {{a|25296}} (46) ,1898 ..<br />
> Fabian, Stephen () ,1930 > "(1930- ) US illustrator. See Virgil Finlay.<br />
'''FANTASY ART''' [JG/RT] by Jon Gustafson and Ron Tiner<br />
q:- l f Fell, H Granville {{a|168215}} (10) ,1872 ..<br />
4- Fernandez, Fernando () ,1940 ..<br />
> Finger, Bill (22) ,1914 > "(1914-1974) US Comics writer. See Batman." [Batman co-creator] '''--nidb<br />
q1- +elsf Finlay, Virgil {{a|1084}} (3) ,1914 .<br />
6- Firchow, Steve () ,1966 ..<br />
>q:- +elw Fitzgerald, John Anster {{a|59091}} (0?) ,1819 .. > Illustration<br />
NEED f<br />
4- Fitzpatrick, Jim () ,1948 .<br />
q:- +el f Flint, [Sir] W Russell {{a|132835}} (3) ,1880 ..<br />
5- Flynn, Danny () ,1958 ..<br />
q:- el f Ford, H J {{a|120009}} (38) ,1860 ..<br />
q3- +el f Foreman, Michael {{a|8283}} (159) ,1938 .<br />
q:- el f Foster, Harold R [Hal] {{a|113098}} (9) -- comic strip Tarzan, Prince Valiant ,1892 ..<br />
19 Fraser, Claud Lovat () ,1890 '''--nidb<br />
q0- +el f Fraser, Eric George {{a|114951}} (4) ,1902 ..<br />
q2- +elsf Frazetta, Frank {{a|1825}} (19) ,1928 ..<br />
q2- +elsf Freas, Kelly {{a|488}} (17) ,1922 ..<br />
><br />
>q:- el f Frost, Arthur Burdette [Burdett] >> [Illustration] {{a|112538}} (229) ,1851 ..<br />
q4- el f Froud, Brian {{a|4048}} (37) ,1947 .<br />
q:- el f Furniss, Harry {{a|113861}} (41) ,1854 ..<br />
q#- el f Fuseli, Henry {{a|26228}} (53) ,1741 ..<br />
> Gerber, Steve () ,1947 > "US Comics artist (1947-2008). See Howard the Duck.<br />
q4- +EDlsf Giger, H R {{a|21090}} (20) ,1940 ..<br />
>18 Gillray, James () ,1757 > "(1757-1815) English satirical artist. See Comics." '''--nidb<br />
Giolitti, Alberto () ,1923 '''--nidb<br />
><br />
q:- +elsf Goble, Warwick {{a|26164}} (12) ,1862 ..<br />
q:- elsf Goldberg, Rube [R.L.] {{a|238431}} (58) ,1883 ..<br />
><br />
q2- elsf Gorey, Edward {{a|1880}} (194) ,1925 .<br />
<u>Goscinny and Uderzo</u><br />
= René Goscinny ,1926 (one work as writer)<br />
= Albert Uderzo ,1927 (one work as writer/illustrator)<br />
q:- +elsf Gould, F Carruthers {{a|228371}} (14) poor canonical name? --cartoonist ,1844 .<br />
q:- +EFlsf Grandville, Isidore {{a|152270}} (96) ,1803 = Jean-Ignace Isidore Gérard Grandville .<br />
q:.. el f Greenaway, Kate {{a|173272}} (84) ,1846 ..<br />
q:- + l f Griset, Ernest {{a|107748}} (17) https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n90-626969 ,1844 ..<br />
q#- +EDl f Grünewald, Matthias {{a|176663}} (45) ,1470 ..<br />
5- Gurney, James () ,1958 .<br />
>.. Harris, Mabel Rollins () ,? > "(? - ) US artist. See Olivia.<br />
q:- el f Herriman, George {{a|24479}} (57) -- comic strip Krazy Kat ,1880 ..<br />
4- Hescox, Richard () ,1949 ..<br />
> Higgins, Graham () ,1953 > "(1953- ) UK illustrator and cartoonist. See Terry Pratchett.<br />
q <u>Hildebrandt Brothers</u> Wikidata: isfdb, sfe, eof<br />
q3- elsf Greg {{a|8024}} (55) ,1939 .<br />
q3- elsf Tim {{a|25736}} (36) ,1939 .<br />
Each brother has ISFDB ID, no SFE or EOF ID. <br />
q1- el f Hogarth, Burne {{a|121762}} (31) -- comic strip Tarzan ,1911 ..<br />
'''ILLUSTRATION''' [RT] by Ron Tiner<br />
> Infantino, Carmine () ,1925 > "(1925-2013) US artist. See Deadman.<br />
.q1- elsf Ingels, Graham {{a|27729}} (15) ,1915 .. <br />
-- Ipcar, Dahlov --inserted 2017-08-16 <br />
--indb chiefly as writer (below), probably known chiefly as picture book illustrator<br />
q2- +el f Jacques, Robin {{a|26271}} (53) ,1920 ..<br />
Jones, Chuck --indb no data ..<br />
4- Jones, Jeffrey ,1944 .<br />
5- Jones, Peter Andrew ,1951 ..<br />
4- Kaluta, Michael William ,1947 ..<br />
q1- +elsf Kane, Bob {{a|8501}} (204) ,1915 .<br />
q:- +elsf Kauffer, Edward McKnight {{a|116597}} (33) ,1890 ..<br />
q2- el f Keeping, Charles {{a|78341}} (70) ,1924 ..<br />
4- Kelly, Ken () ,1946 ..<br />
q1- el f Kelly, Walt {{a|40301}} (185) -- comic strip Pogo ,1913 ..<br />
>:- King, Frank () ,1883 > "(1883-1969) US comics creator. See Comics." '''--nidb<br />
2- Kirby, Josh () ,1928 .<br />
q1- elsf Krenkel, Roy G {{a|901}} (7) ,1918 .. <br />
>q:- +DEl f Kubin, Alfred {{a|122909}} (110) ,1877 > "(1877-1959) German/Austrian artist, illustrator and writer. See Austria; Germany.<br />
q4- el f Lee, Alan {{a|3392}} (22) ,1947 .<br />
q:- +el f Leech, John {{a|152008}} (84) ,1817 ..<br />
q:- +elsf Lewis, Wyndham {{a|49201}} (139) ,1882 <br />
>q:- +el Leyendecker, J C {{a|223992}} (34) > "(1874-1951) US artist. See Illustration." ..<br />
q:- +el f Lindsay, Norman {{a|30344}} (65) -- chiefly as writer ,1879 <br />
> Lleida, Rosa () ,? > "Catalan Comics artist. See Fernando Fernandez.<br />
q:- elsf Lofting, Hugh {{a|5360}} (89) -- chiefly as writer ,1886 <br />
3- McBride, Angus () ,1931 ..<br />
q6- +elsf McKean, Dave {{a|2471}} (48) ,1963 .<br />
q:- el f Magritte, René {{a|4858}} (110) ,1898 ..<br />
q5- +elsf Maitz, Don {{a|421}} (4) ,1953 ..<br />
4- Manara, Milo () ,1945 .<br />
4- Maroto, Esteban () ,1942 ..<br />
q#- +elsf Martin, John b. 1789 {{a|118729}} (12) ,1789 ..<br />
4- Matthews, Rodney ,1945 (also one chapbook) ..<br />
5- Mattingly, David B ,1956 ..<br />
>:19 Maxon, Rex () ,1892 > "(1892-1973) US Comic-strip artist. See Tarzan." '''--nidb<br />
6- Mignola, Michael J ,1960 .<br />
q:- +el f Millais, [Sir] John Everett {{a|131549}} (34) ,1829 ..<br />
q:- el f Millar, H R {{a|37676}} (18) ,1869 ..<br />
5- Miller, Frank ,1957 ..<br />
4- Miller, Ian ,1946 ..<br />
Mills, Patrick () ,1949 '''--nidb<br />
> Minton, John () ,1917 > "(1917-1957) UK artist. See Michael Ayrton.<br />
q3- +EFlsf Moebius {{a|26595}} (37) = Jean Giraud ,1938 ..<br />
><br />
q6- el f Morrison, Grant {{a|3231}} (165) -- indb as writer ,1960<br />
q:- el f Morrow, George {{a|14108}} (18) 1869 ..<br />
>.. Mozert, Zoe () ,1907 > "(1907-1993) US artist. See Olivia.<br />
q#- +el f Mulready, William {{a|190796}} (6) ,1786 . > "(1786-1863) UK illustrator. See Illustration.<br />
:- --''Butterfly's Ball'' by William Roscoe[nidb] 1807 https://lccn.loc.gov/73165023<br />
; cf Alan Aldridge {{a|2285}} 1973 edition nidb<br />
; EN.wiki ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Butterfly%27s_Ball,_and_the_Grasshopper%27s_Feast Butterfly's Ball]''<br />
4- Niño, Alex () ,1940 ..<br />
:- Odle, Alan () ,1888 '''--nidb<br />
q4.. el f Olivia [De Berardinis] {{a|37135}} () ,1948 ..<br />
>q:.. +el f [O'Neill] O'Niell, Rose Cecil {{a|196799}} (50) ,1874 > "(1875-1944) US artist. See Illustration." --indb as writer only <br />
SFE spelling<br />
3- Ortiz, José = Jose Ortiz Moya, Spanish comics artist () ,1932 '''--nidb<br />
5- Otomo, Katsuhiro () ,1954 .<br />
>:19 Outcoult, R F () ,1863 > "(1863-1928) US comics pioneer. See Comics." '''--nidb<br />
q:- +el f Papé, Frank C {{a|26984}} (24) --signed Frank C Pape and PAPE respectively https://lccn.loc.gov/n79067911 (notes, draft at [[User:Pwendt/temp]]) ,1878 ..<br />
q:- el f Parrish, Maxfield {{a|21111}} (70) ,1870 ..<br />
>q:- +el f Paton, [Sir] Joseph Noel {{a|215156}} (11) ,1821 .. > "(1821-1901) UK artist. See Illustration.<br />
q1- +elsf Peake, Mervyn {{a|2318}} (80) ,1911 .<br />
4- Pennington, Bruce () ,1944 ..<br />
q3- +el f Pieńkowski, Jan {{a|33465}} (88) ,1936 .<br />
5- Pini, Richard --almost exclusively as writer () ,1950 .<br />
5.. Pini, Wendy () ,1951 .<br />
> Piper, John () ,1903 > "UK artist (1903-1992). See Michael Ayrton.<br />
q#- +elsf Piranesi, Giovanni Battista {{a|196589}} (113) ,1720 ..<br />
4- Ploog, Mike 1942 ..<br />
q:- +el f Pogány, Willy {{a|163273}} (68) -- as Pogany ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Pogany]] ,1882 .<br />
> Pratt, Hugo () ,1927 > "(1927-1995) UK artist. See Milo Manara.<br />
q:- el f Pyle, Howard {{a|6311}} (188) ,1853 .<br />
q:- el f Rackham, Arthur {{a|34363}} (140) ,1867 ..<br />
q0- +elsf Raymond, Alex {{a|29918}} (43) -- Flash Gordon ,1909 .<br />
q:- elsf Robinson, Charles {{a|88489}} (many) -- "referred to in the entry for W. Heath Robinson" ,1870 ..<br />
q:- elsf Robinson, W Heath {{a|81073}} (65) ,1872 .<br />
>q:- +el Rockwell, Norman {{a|115640}} (127) ,1894 .. > Illustration<br />
>q:- Ross, Charles Henry () ,1835 > "UK comics pioneer. See Comics." The Yellow Kid '''--nidb<br />
q:- el f Rossetti, Dante Gabriel {{a|22705}} (183) ,1828 .<br />
q:- el f Rountree, Harry {{a|129171}} (7) ,1878 ..<br />
4.. Rowena ,1944 .<br />
q#- 18 Rowlandson, Thomas () ,1756 > "(1756-1827) UK artist. See Comics." '''--nidb<br />
> Rubimor () ,1922 > "Pseudonym of US Comic-strip artist Reuben Moriera (1922-1984). See Tarzan.<br />
>:- St John, John Allen () ,1872 > "(1872-1957) US illustrator. See Tarzan." '''--nidb<br />
> Sale, Tim () ,1956 > "(1956- ). See Robert Lynn Asprin.<br />
4- Sanjulian, Manuel Perez () ,1941 ..<br />
Scarfe, Gerald () ,1936 '''--nidb<br />
>q:- +el f Schoonover, Frank {{a|109163}} (34) ,1877 .. > "(1877-1972) US artist. See Illustration.<br />
2- Searle, Ronald () ,1920 .<br />
4- Segrelles, Vi[n]cente () ,1940 ..<br />
2- el f Sendak, Maurice {{a|7838}} (183) ,1928 .<br />
q0- el f Seuss, Dr {{a|194995}} (190)+30+9+1 ,1904 .<br />
q:- el f Shepard, E H {{a|109448}} (192) ,1879 ..<br />
5- Sienkiewicz, Bill () ,1958 ..<br />
> Sim, Dave () ,1958 > "(1958- ) Canadian Comics writer/artist. See Cerebus the Aardvark.<br />
q:- el f Sime, S H [Sidney] {{a|25339}} (10) ,1867 ..<br />
>:- Simmons, John {{a|157831}} dnf LC WorldCat () ,1823 .. ; d. 1876-11 > "(1823-1876) UK artist. See Illustration.<br />
><br />
3- Steadman, Ralph () .1936 ..<br />
>19 Stevens, Laurence > "(1886-1960) US illustrator. See Virgil Finlay."[dnf]<br />
4- Stout, William () ,1949 .<br />
'''SURREALISM''' [GKW] by Gary K Wolfe<br />
q3- +elsf Sweet, Darrell K {{a|1353}} (4) ,1934 ..<br />
><br />
5- Szilagyi, Steve ,1952 --indb only as novel ''Photographing Fairies''<br />
q:- +el f Tenniel, [Sir] John {{a|8424}} (171) ,1820 ..<br />
q:- +el f Thackeray, William Makepeace {{a|119470}} (484) -- chiefly as writer ,1811<br />
3- Thorne, Frank (3) ,1930 .<br />
4- Tiner, Ron = realname Tickner (author of "Fantasy Art", "Illustration") () ,1940 .<br />
>.. Tourtel, Mary () ,1874 > "UK comics artist (1874-1930), creator of Rupert the Bear. See also Comics.<br />
q4- +ESlsf Vallejo, Boris {{a|1810}} (28) ,1941 ..<br />
>q:- el f Verbeek, Gustave [G.] {{a|185229}} (4) ,1867 .. > "(1867-1937) US comics pioneer. See Comics.<br />
--''Harper's'' debut likely v103 (missing at HDL); found in v104 Contents as Gustave Verbeek<br />
5- Vess, Charles () ,1951 .<br />
>:- Wain, Louis () ,1860 > "(1860-1939) UK artist. See Illustration." '''--nidb<br />
q0- +el f Wandrei, Howard {{a|1149}} (2) --chiefly as writer ,1909 <br />
>:- Wenzell, Albert Beck () ,1864 > "(1864-1917) US artist. See Illustration." '''--nidb<br />
q5- +elsf Whelan, Michael {{a|1804}} (17) ,1950 ..<br />
> White, Mel () ,1949 > "(1949- ) US artist. See Robert Lynn Asprin.<br />
5- White, Tim () ,1952 .<br />
>q:- +DEl Wiese, Kurt {{a|122379}} (337) ,1887 .. > "(1887-1974). See Walter R Brooks." [Freddy the Pig]<br />
q1- +el f Williams, Garth {{a|7320}} (139) ,1912 .<br />
q6- el f Williams, Kent {{a|23090}} ,1962 ..<br />
q3- Williamson, Al () ,1931 .<br />
below Wilson, Gahan --chiefly as writer ,1930 .<br />
4- Windsor-Smith, Barry () ,1949 ..<br />
2- Wood, Wallace () ,1927 ..<br />
4- Woodroffe, Patrick () ,1940 .<br />
4- Wrightson, Bernie () ,1948 .<br />
q:- el f Wyeth, N C {{a|27249}} (127) ,1882 ..<br />
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.J. S. Goodall {{a|201678}} https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n79-055243<br />
.David Walsh, illus. --nidb --niLC https://www.worldcat.org/identities/viaf-283896982/<br />
<br />
:-els Sir (Saint) Thomas More {{a|1150}} (186)<br />
:-els John Oxenham (pseud.) {{a|119447}} (73)) = William Arthur Dunkerley<br />
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''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/fe/category/author Author entries: 1781] (1343 full; 438 cross-reference)<br />
: 59 pre-1800 all done 2017-12-03 (includes Grimm duo and a few redirects) but there must be others whom i don't recognize, yet to be tagged<br />
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2017-11-28 with User space cross-references to [[User:Pwendt/People]] (and subpages), [[User:Pwendt/Series]], [[User:Pwendt/FFM]]<br />
<br />
<u>Not in SFE-Fantasy</u><br />
4..el.. Karen Wynn Fonstad {{a|5941}} (7)<br />
#.el.. Mary Lamb {{a|190794}} (112) --co-author w husband Charles Lamb, below<br />
3-els. Peter Nicholls {{a|7937}} (10) --SFE co-author w John Clute <br />
4-eLLLs. Robert Reginald {{a|1103}} (46) + Michael Burgess (28) + Boden Clarke (24) <br />
= Lucas Webb (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/n86030922 ''The attempted assassination of John F. Kennedy : a political fantasy'' --one-time pseud.<br />
= C. Everett Cooper (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/n86030923 ''Up your asteroid! : A science fiction farce'' --one-time pseud.<br />
:-els. J. Jefferson Farjeon {{a|146846}} (47) <br />
1.. lw.. Joan Jefferson Farjeon {{a|78349}} (1) <br />
:-ECLLs. Josef Čapek, older brother {{a|228375}} (70) <br />
+ 6 collabs as Brothers Capek https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n88-092947<br />
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tags {{done}} --see the foot of the table <br />
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3- Aamodt, Donald<br />
4..elsf Abbey, Lynn {{a|115}} (33)<br />
:-el f Abdullah, Achmed {{a|1689}} (45) <br />
q2-EJlsf Abé, Kobo (108)<br />
:- '''À Beckett, Arthur William (1844), a younger son''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_William_%C3%A0_Beckett EN (family point of entry)]<br />
:- '''À Beckett, Gilbert Abbott (1811), father''' --nidb<br />
:- '''À Beckett, Gilbert Arthur (1837), eldest son''' --nidb<br />
6- ab Hugh, Dafydd<br />
4- Ackroyd, Peter<br />
4- Adair, Gilbert<br />
> <br />
2- Adams, Richard<br />
3- Adams, Robert<br />
:-elsf Adeler, Max {{a|1690}} (21) = LC: Charles Heber Clark<br />
4- Adkins, Patrick H<br />
:-eLsf A.E. or Æ {{a|127}} (43) +George William Russell (30) = George William Russell<br />
4.. l e Agins, Phyllis Carol {{a|4709}} (2)[same 2]<br />
1- Aickman, Robert<br />
:-el f Aiken, Conrad {{a|1202}} (133)<br />
q2..elsf Aiken, Joan {{a|582}} (140) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#The Wolves]]<br />
> lws Aiken, John > (son, brother) --indb<br />
:-e Ainsworth, William Harrison<br />
> Ajvaz, Michal > "(1949- ) Czech writer. See Czech Republic.<br />
><br />
><br />
:-EJl f Akutagawa, Ryunosuke {{a|112179}} (129) <br />
:-ew f Alan, A J {{a|78929}} --niLC [12] = Leslie Harrison Lambert<br />
:-ESlsf Alarcón, Pedro A de {{a|2060}} (186)<br />
2- Aldiss, Brian W<br />
2-el f Alexander, Lloyd {{a|691}} (78) [[User:Pwendt/People/Lloyd Alexander]]<br />
2- Alexander, Marc<br />
:- lsf Allen, F M, pseud. {{a|162102}} (11) = Edmund Downey<br />
:-elsf Allen, Grant {{a|1699}} (102) +0+0+0 <br />
4.. Allende, Isabel<br />
:-el Allingham, William (poems only indb) {{a|118550}} > "(1824-1889) UK writer. See Richard Doyle; Andrew Lang.<br />
:. w f Allonby, Edith {{a|122926}} --niLC [4] <br />
''The Fulfilment'' (1905) 2011 Kindle ed., ASIN: B005HQ4Y86 [https://www.amazon.com/Fulfilment-Edith-Allonby-ebook/dp/B005HQ4Y86 at Amazon]<br />
> Alvarenga, Lucas José D' > "(1768-1831) Brazilian writer. See Brazil.<br />
> Amadís de Gaula --work by Montalvo among others <br />
+ #-el f Montalvo, Garcí Rodríguez de {{a|169779}} (16)<br />
1- Amado, Jorge<br />
:-el f Amery, L S {{a|222063}} (41) <br />
q1..elsf Ames, Mildred {{a|3187}} (13)<br />
2- Amis, Kingsley<br />
4- Amis, Martin<br />
:-el f Andersen, Hans Christian {{a|19348}} (1687)<br />
> Anderson, Dana > "(1952- ) US writer. See Charles de Lint.<br />
> Anderson, Karen > "(1932-2018) US author and editor. See Poul Anderson.<br />
q3.. l f Anderson, Margaret J {{a|6186}} (30)<br />
niEN http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n80022988<br />
2- Anderson, Poul<br />
:- lwsf Andom, R {{a|162349}} (1)[many] = Alfred Walter Barrett<br />
> Andrade, Mário de > "(1893-1945) Brazilian writer. See Brazil.<br />
>#- '''Andreae, Johann''' > "(1586-1654) German mystic, author of The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz (1616) and Christianopolis (1619). See Alchemy; Rosicrucianism.<br />
1- Andrews, Allen<br />
q2..el f Andrews, Virginia C [V. C.] (134)<br />
:-ERlsf Andreyev, Leonid {{a|237592}} (151) <br />
> Anmar, Frank > "See Charles Beaumont; William F Nolan.<br />
:-elsf Anstey, F {{a|1697}} (63)<br />
3- Anthony, Piers<br />
5- Antrim, Donald<br />
><br />
#-el f Apel, Johann August {{a|210857}} (15) <br />
:-el f Apollinaire, Guillaume {{a|2228}} (237)<br />
#-el f Apuleius {{a|2066}} (178)<br />
> Arbes, Jakub > "(1840-1914) Czech writer. See Czech Republic.<br />
4- Arenas, Reinaldo<br />
#-el f Ariosto, Lodovico {{a|3843}} (200)<br />
#-el f Aristophanes {{a|254732}} (454) <br />
:-elsf Arlen, Michael {{a|112213}} (44)<br />
:-elsf Armstrong, Anthony {{a|15187}} (53) <br />
><br />
:-el f Armstrong, Martin {{a|14031}} (62) <br />
><br />
4.. Arnason, Eleanor <br />
> Arnim, Achim von > "(1781-1831) German folklorist. See Folklore.<br />
:-el f Arnold, [Sir] Edwin {{a|122246}} (107)<br />
:-elsf Arnold, Edwin Lester {{a|738}} (13)<br />
> Arnold, Mark Alan > "(1951-? ) US editor. See Midori Snyder; Terri Windling.<br />
?- Arscott, David --publications from 1984<br />
!q0-el f Arthur, Robert (125) = Alfred Hitchcock ghost wr/ed<br />
q0..el f Arthur, Ruth M {{a|221801}} (17) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Ruth M. Arthur]]<br />
><br />
> Artmann, H C > "(1921-2000) Austrian writer. See Austria.<br />
5.. Ash, Constance<br />
4-elsf Ashley, Mike {{a|1367}} (83) --Encyclopedia contributor<br />
?- Ashton, Charles --publications from 1991<br />
2- Asimov, Isaac<br />
4- Asprin, Robert Lynn<br />
:.el f Asquith, [Lady] Cynthia {{a|14887}} (47);1887 ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Asquith]]<br />
q:-ESl f Asturias, Miguel (154)<br />
:- w f Atkey, Bertram {{a|20306}} --niLC [several WorldCat]<br />
5- Attanasio, A A <br />
5- Attebery, Brian<br />
3? Auel, Jean M --(Jean Marie) The Clan of the Cave Bear<br />
#.el f Aulnoy, Madame D' {{a|110753}} (71) <br />
#-el f Austin, William {{a|114964}} (9)<br />
3-el f Avi {{a|6305}} (99)<br />
> Awlinson, Richard > "See Scott Ciencin; James Lowder.<br />
q0-EFlsf Aymé, Marcel (125)<br />
2- Ayrton, Michael<br />
>: Azevedo, Alvares de > "(1831-1852) Brazilian writer. See Brazil.<br />
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6.. Babbitt, Lucy Cullyford ,1960<br />
q3..el f Babbitt, Natalie {{a|3435}} (36)<br />
Bach, Richard<br />
1.. lwf Bacon, Martha {{a|162093}} (10) = Martha Oliver-Smith<br />
niEN, niQ <br />
> Bailey, Hilary ><br />
5- Bailey, Robin Wayne<br />
:-el f Bain, F W {{a|95517}} (48)<br />
1- Baker, Denys Val<br />
q0-elsf Baker, Frank (3)<br />
:- lwf Baker, George A {{a|95873}} (12)<br />
:- lwf Baker, G P {{a|221915}} (16) <br />
3- Baker, Michael<br />
4- Baker, Scott<br />
5- Baliol, Alexander<br />
4.. Ball, Margaret ,1947<br />
3- Ballard, J G<br />
#-elsf Balzac, Honoré de {{a|1596}} (785) <br />
> Banat, D R > Ray Bradbury<br />
:-elsf Bangs, John Kendrick {{a|4945}} (104) [[User:Pwendt/People/John Kendrick Bangs]]<br />
><s> Banks, Lynne Reid > </s><br />
4- Banville, John<br />
> Barclay, Bill ><br />
#-el f Barham, Richard Harris {{a|18315}} (24) (LC: Ingoldsby, Thomas, 1788-1845)<br />
:-elsf Baring, Maurice {{a|15654}} (116)<br />
:-el f Baring-Gould, S {{a|34421}} (171)<br />
5- Barker, Clive<br />
q0-el f Barks, Carl (39)<br />
> Barnes, Arthur K ><br />
> Barnett, H C ><br />
> Barnett, Lisa A ><br />
> Barnett, Paul ><br />
:-elsf Barr, Robert {{a|15670}} (2) = (pseud.) Luke Sharp<br />
> Barrett, Wilson ><br />
:-el f Barrie, [Sir] J M {{a|1967}} (392) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Barrie . Peter]]<br />
:-el f Barringer, Leslie {{a|2997}} (14)<br />
> Barrington, E ><br />
> Barrington, Michael ><br />
3- Barth, John<br />
3- Barthelme, Donald<br />
:-el f Baudelaire, Charles {{a|120635}} (433) <br />
5.. Baudino, Gael ,1955<br />
4- Bauer, Steven<br />
:-elsf Baum, L Frank {{a|162}} (391) --EN "no more links" ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Baum . Mo Yew]]<br />
3-elsf Beagle, Peter S {{a|1039}} (26)<br />
> Bean, Norman ><br />
5- Bear, Greg<br />
:-el f Beardsley, Aubrey {{a|25644}} (119) <br />
:. lwf Beauclerk, Helen {{a|132242}} (11) --wife of (EN.wiki) or lived with Edmund Dulac 1923--1953 (his death)<br />
2- Beaumont, Charles = later legalized name of Charles Leroy Nutt (1929-1967)<br />
> Beaumont, E T ><br />
><s> Beaumont, Marie Leprince de > </s><br />
:.el f Beck, L Adams {{a|4480}} (40) +7 Barrington +3 Moresby = Elizabeth Louisa Moresby<br />
q0-el f Beckett, Samuel (297)<br />
#-el f Beckford, William {{a|630}} (72)<br />
> Bécquer, Gustavo Adolfo ><br />
:-elsf Bedford-Jones, H {{a|2012}} (27)<br />
:-elsf Beerbohm, Max {{a|20194}} (146)<br />
:-elsf Begbie, Harold {{a|120103}} (89)<br />
:-el f Belasco, David {{a|132289}} (153)<br />
5.. Bell, Clare .1952<br />
6- Bell, Douglas<br />
:-elsf Bell, Neil {{a|94681}} (60) = Stephen Southwold<br />
3-el f Bellairs, John {{a|1495}} (42)<br />
5.. Belle, Pamela ,1952<br />
2- Bemmann, Hans<br />
:-elsf Benét, Stephen Vincent {{a|762}} (169)<br />
:-elsf Benét, William Rose {{a|25042}} (65)<br />
> Bennett, Anna Elizabeth ><br />
:-elsf Bennett, Arnold {{a|2461}} (336)<br />
> Bennett, John ><br />
:-elsf Benson, A C {{a|1665}} (113) = "B"<br />
:-elsf Benson, E F {{a|1666}} (188)<br />
:-elsf Benson, Robert Hugh {{a|1957}} (63)<br />
:.elsf Benson, Stella {{a|20397}} (32)<br />
5.. Berberick, Nancy Varian ,1951<br />
:.el f Beresford, Elisabeth {{a|93973}} (20)<br />
2- Berger, Thomas<br />
> Bernanos, Georges ><br />
2- Bernanos, Michel<br />
1- Bertram, Noel = Joseph Noel Thomas Boston<br />
:-elsf Besant, Sir Walter {{a|2037}} (218)<br />
6-elsf Betancourt, John Gregory {{a|183}} (23)<br />
3- Bethancourt, T Ernesto = Tomàs Ernesto Bethancourt Passailaigue<br />
> Bibiana, Jean Galli de ><br />
:-elsf Bierce, Ambrose {{a|1960}} (143)<br />
1- Bioy Casares, Adolfo<br />
q0-el f Birkin, Charles (0) = real name of Charles Lloyd<br />
4- Bishop, Michael<br />
4- Bisson, Terry<br />
2- Bixby, Jerome<br />
> Black, Robert ><br />
> Blacklin, Malcolm ><br />
:-elsf Blackwood, Algernon {{a|1126}} (76)<br />
> Blade, Alexander ><br />
#-el f Blake, William {{a|2071}} (570) <br />
1- Blamires, Harry<br />
2- Blatty, William Peter<br />
:.el f Blavatsky, [Madame] H P {{a|19737}} (118) <br />
5- Blaylock, James P<br />
:-elsf Blayre, Christopher (pseud.) {{a|118327}} (47) = Edward Heron-Allen<br />
2-elsf Bleiler, E F {{a|307}} (33) <br />
5-els Bleiler, Richard > [son] {{a|21219}} (12) <br />
2- Blish, James<br />
> Blishen, Edward ><br />
><s> Blixen, Karen > </s><br />
1- Bloch, Robert<br />
6.. Block, Francesca Lia ,1962<br />
> Bloggsleigh, Aubrey Tyndall ><br />
3- Bloom, Harold<br />
> Blyth, James ><br />
> Blyton, Enid ><br />
#-el f Boccaccio, Giovanni {{a|127910}} (464) <br />
5.. Bohnhoff, Maya Kaathryn ,1954<br />
#- '''Boiardo, Matteo Mario, Count of Scandiano''' > --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matteo_Maria_Boiardo EN]<br />
1- Bok, Hannes = Wayne Woodard<br />
> Bond, Michael ><br />
4.. Bond, Nancy ,1945<br />
q0-elsf Bond, Nelson S (13)<br />
> Bonfiglioli, Kyril ><br />
3- Bontly, Thomas<br />
:-elsf Boothby, Guy {{a|20823}} (35)<br />
:-elsf Borges, Jorge Luis {{a|1125}} (460) <br />
> Boron, Robert de ><br />
:.el f Boston, Lucy M {{a|6495}} (40) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#L. M. Boston]]<br />
> Boston, Noel ><br />
> Botto, Ján ><br />
1- Boucher, Anthony = William Anthony Parker White<br />
:.eLLLf Bowen, Marjorie {{a|12578}} (107) +15 Preedy +14 Shearing <br />
= Robert Paye[--niLC]<br />
= George Preedy <br />
= Joseph Shearing <br />
= John Winch https://lccn.loc.gov/no97058533 (0)<br />
5- Bowkett, Stephen<br />
5. Boyer, Elizabeth H ,1952<br />
6- Boyett, Steven R<br />
> Bozic, Stretan ><br />
q1..elsf Brackett, Leigh {{a|334}} (36)<br />
> Bradbury, Edward P ><br />
2- Bradbury, Ray<br />
:.el f Braddon, Mary E {{a|78925}} (221) <br />
5- Bradfield, Scott<br />
q3..elsf Bradley, Marion Zimmer (116)<br />
5.. Bradshaw, Gillian ,1956<br />
:-elsf Bramah, Ernest {{a|377}} (33)<br />
> Brand, Max ><br />
> Brandner, Gary ><br />
3- Brautigan, Richard<br />
1- Brennan, Joseph Payne<br />
5- Brenner, Mayer Alan<br />
5- Brennert, Alan<br />
> Brentano, Clemens ><br />
> Brice, Martin H ><br />
:.el f Briggs, Katharine M {{a|109054}} (36) <br />
3- Briggs, Raymond<br />
> Briggs, Stephen ><br />
6.. Brite, Poppy Z ,1967<br />
4? Brittain, C Dale ,1948<br />
> Brod, Max ><br />
:.el f Brontë, Charlotte {{a|1698}} (334) <br />
4- Brooke, William J<br />
4- Brooks, Terry<br />
:-elsf Brooks, Walter R {{a|6256}} (73) <br />
q2..elsf Brophy, Brigid (47) <br />
> Brosnan, John ><br />
:.elsf Broster, D K {{a|20860}} (17) <br />
#-el f Brown, Charles Brockden {{a|109144}} (94) <br />
q0-EJlsf Brown, Fredric (56)<br />
2- Brown, George Mackay<br />
!q1..el f Brown, Margaret Wise {{a|164720}} (283+)<br />
= as Juniper Sage, joint https://lccn.loc.gov/n79108845<br />
q2..el f Brown, Mary {{a|1877}} (7)[13]<br />
> Brown, Will ><br />
:-el f Browning, Robert {{a|4192}} (510)<br />
4..el f Broxon, Mildred Downey {{a|1553}} (3)[7],1944<br />
3- Brunner, John<br />
5- Brust, Steven<br />
> Bryan, Michael ><br />
4- Bryant, Edward<br />
:-elsf Buchan, John {{a|3627}} (208)<br />
:- '''Büchner, Georg --German dramatist mainly''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_B%C3%BCchner EN]<br />
#-el f Bulfinch, Thomas {{a|20326}} (76) <br />
:-elsf Bulgakov, Mikhail {{a|234949}} (180)<br />
5.. Bull, Emma ,1954<br />
:-el f Bullett, Gerald {{a|19971}} (78) = (pseud., non-genre?) Sebastian Fox<br />
2- Bulmer, Kenneth<br />
:-elsf Bulwer-Lytton, [Sir] Edward, First Baron Lytton {{a|2019}} (406)<br />
><s> Bulwer-Lytton, Robert > </s> = Edward Bulwer-Lytton<br />
4- Bunch, Chris<br />
#-el f Bunyan, John {{a|34400}} (189+) <br />
:.eLLsf Burdekin, Katherine {{a|3081}} (9) +4 Constantine<br />
= Murray Constantine (4)<br />
><s> Burdekin, Kay > </s><br />
q3..el f Burford, Lolah (6)<br />
1- Burgess, Anthony = John Anthony Burgess Wilson<br />
:-el f Burgess, Gelett {{a|15655}} (70)<br />
:.el f Burnett, Frances Hodgson {{a|4178}} (330)<br />
> Burgess, Thornton W ><br />
5- Burns, Richard<br />
:-el f Burrage, A M {{a|6518}} (7)<br />
:-elsf Burroughs, Edgar Rice {{a|143}} (347)<br />
> Burroughs, Joseph B ><br />
1- Burroughs, William S<br />
> Burton, [Sir] Richard ><br />
4.. Bushyager, Linda E ,1947<br />
:.el f Butts, Mary {{a|82905}} (19) <br />
q3..el f Byatt, A S (65)<br />
#-elsf Byron, Lord {{a|19966}} (607) <br />
:-elsf Cabell, James Branch {{a|341}} (123)<br />
2- Cabrera Infante, Guillermo<br />
> Cain, G ><br />
> Calado, Ivanir ><br />
q2..elsf Caldecott, Moyra (16) = real name of Olivia Brown <br />
NEED inform SFE<br />
> Calhoun, Mary ><br />
3- Callander, Don<br />
:-Nlw f Calthrop, Dion Clayton {{a|173606}} (38) <br />
2- Calvino, Italo<br />
q1..elsf Cameron, Eleanor {{a|1508}} (27)<br />
> Cameron, John ><br />
> Campbell, Angus ><br />
4- Campbell, Ramsey<br />
> Cannell, Charles Henry ><br />
:-ECLLsf Čapek, Karel {{a|161}} (300) + 6 collabs as Brothers Capek https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n88-092947<br />
:-elsf Capes, Bernard {{a|2083}} (16) <br />
> Capitano, Il ><br />
> Capote, Truman ><br />
5-elsf Card, Orson Scott {{a|15}} (126)<br />
4- Carey, Peter<br />
4.. Carl, Lillian Stewart ,1949<br />
> Carlsen, Chris ><br />
#-el f Carlyle, Thomas {{a|113667}} (440) <br />
> Carpenter, Leonard ><br />
q0-ellsf Carr, John Dickson (120+40+) = Carter Dickson &c<br />
3- Carr, Terry<br />
4- Carroll, Jonathan<br />
:-eLsf Carroll, Lewis {{a|3059}} (827) +Dodgson (25) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Carroll . Alice]]; [[User:Pwendt/People/Lewis Carroll]]<br />
> Carryl, Charles E ><br />
4..elsf Carter, Angela {{a|1172}} (56),1940 ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Angela Carter]]<br />
3-elsf Carter, Lin {{a|353}} (35) <br />
> Carter, Marilyn ><br />
> Case, Justin ><br />
1- Cave, Hugh B<br />
2-lwsf Cawthorn, James {{a|4126}} (3)<br />
#-el f Cazotte, Jacques {{a|4125}} (30) <br />
#-el f Cervantes, Miguel de Saavedra {{a|170356}} (1541) <br />
4- Chalker, Jack L<br />
3- Chambers, Aidan<br />
:-elsf Chambers, Robert W {{a|385}} (140) <br />
#-el f Chamisso, Adelbert von {{a|122107}} (103) <br />
4.. Chant, Joy ,1945<br />
:.el f Chapman, Vera {{a|1509}} (1) <br />
q3..elsf Charnas, Suzy Mckee (14)<br />
[Charnas: EoF later removed, oocities restored; EoF restored 2023-0216<br />
5- Charrette, Robert N<br />
3- Charyn, Jerome<br />
> Chase, Mary ><br />
#-el f Chaucer, Geoffrey {{a|107557}} (603) <br />
1- Cheever, John<br />
4..elsf Cherryh, C J {{a|16}} (94),1942<br />
4- Chesbro, George C<br />
:-elsf Chesterton, G K {{a|2044}} (526)<br />
6.. Chetwin, Grace ,1964<br />
1-elsf Chetwynd-Hayes, R {{a|1694}} (7+1)<br />
> Chew, Ruth ><br />
4.. Chin, M Lucie ,1947<br />
:.el f Chopin, Kate {{a|19535}} (65) <br />
#-el f Chrétien de Troyes {{a|198209}} (152) <br />
2-elsf Christopher, John {{a|378}} (59) + pseudonyms = Sam Youd<br />
6- Ciencin, Scott<br />
><s> Clare, Helen > </s> = Pauline Clarke<br />
? Clark, Douglas W<br />
> Clarke, A V ><br />
3- Clarke, Lindsay ,1939<br />
.eLL f Clarke, Pauline {{a|16164}} (17+10+2),1921 = Helen Clare, etc<br />
?.? Clayton, Jo<br />
3- Clement, Aeron<br />
:.el f Clifford, Lucy Lane (Mrs. W. K.) {{a|24047}} (34) <br />
3- Cline, C Terry Jr.<br />
5.. Clough, B W ,1955 = Brenda Clough<br />
4-elsf Clute, John {{a|147}} (11)<br />
:.el f Coatsworth, Elizabeth {{a|76881}} (132)<br />
> Cobalt, Martin ><br />
:-el f Cobb, Irvin S {{a|17681}} (90) <br />
4.. Cochran, Molly ,1949<br />
:-EFl f Cocteau, Jean {{a|86397}} (407) <br />
4- Cole, Adrian ,1949<br />
4- Cole, Allan<br />
> Coleman, Clare ><br />
#-el f Coleridge, Samuel Taylor {{a|22140}} (448) <br />
:.el f Coleridge, Sara {{a|83813}} (21) <br />
0-elsf Collier, John {{a|1160}} (30)<br />
5.. Collins, Nancy A ,1959<br />
:-el f Collins, Wilkie {{a|2034}} (297) <br />
:-el f Collodi, Carlo {{a|9486}} (294) <br />
3- Colombo, John Robert<br />
>:-el . Colum, Padraic {{a|122434}} (138) > ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Padraic Colum]]<br />
> Colvin, James ><br />
> Comfort, Montgomery ><br />
q0..elsf Comyns, Barbara {{a|6584}} (13)<br />
4.. Conford, Ellen ,1942<br />
2- Connell, Evan E<br />
:-elsf Conrad, Joseph {{a|19447}} (584) <br />
4- Conrad, Peter<br />
><s> Constantine, Murray > </s><br />
5- Constantine, Storm<br />
:-el f Conway, Hugh {{a|142380}} (42) = Frederick John Fargus <br />
4- Cook, Glen<br />
5- Cook, Hugh<br />
4- Cook, Rick<br />
6.. Cooke, Catherine ,1963<br />
5.. Cooper, Louise ,1952<br />
q3..elsf Cooper, Susan {{a|2436}} (56)<br />
3- Coover, Robert<br />
:-el f Coppard, A E {{a|1201}} (57) <br />
3- Corbett, W J<br />
:.elsf Corelli, Marie {{a|1966}} (112) <br />
3- Corlett, William<br />
:-el f Corley, Donald {{a|17493}} (5) <br />
2- Cormier, Robert<br />
5.. Corran, Mary ,1953<br />
1- Cortázar, Julio<br />
5- Costikyan, Greg<br />
q3..elsf Coulson, Juanita (8)<br />
q1..el f Counselman, Mary Elizabeth {{a|1215}} (1)<br />
5-elsf Coville, Bruce {{a|1453}} (94) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Magic Shop]]<br />
5- Cox, Greg<br />
> Cox, Palmer ><br />
4- Crace, Jim<br />
:.el f Craik, Mrs {{a|125079}} (186) = Miss Mulock, Dinah Maria Mulock Craik<br />
:-el f Cram, Ralph Adams {{a|17789}} (59) <br />
5.. Crawford, Betty Anne ,1952<br />
:-el f Crawford, F Marion {{a|3423}} (153)<br />
:-elsf Crawshay-Williams, Eliot {{a|186820}} (18) <br />
> Cray, Roberta ><br />
> Crayon, Geoffrey ><br />
#-el f Crébillon, Claude-Prosper Jolyot de {{a|225214}} (60) <br />
q3..el f Cresswell, Helen {{a|3615}} (54)<br />
: lwsf Creswick, Paul {{a|204013}} (4)[many] <br />
> Crichton, Michael ><br />
>#-el Croker, Thomas Crofton > {{a|122486}} (41)<br />
> Crompton, Richmal ><br />
1-lwsf Cross, John Keir {{a|6602}} (15) <br />
> Crow, Levi ><br />
:-el f Crowley, Aleister {{a|6606}} (123) <br />
4- Crowley, John<br />
4- Crowther, Peter<br />
2- Cuddon, J A ,1928<br />
> Cuiscard, Henri ><br />
2- Cullen, Seamus = James Serwer<br />
: lsf Cummins, Harle Oren {{a|20329}} (1)[1 only] http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n2006-075346 <br />
> Cunningham, Allan ><br />
q3..el f Curry, Jane Louise {{a|3266}} (38) --Beneath the Hill sequence "set partly in Wales and partly in the USA, where a community of Welsh Elves has established a Wainscot existence"<br />
1-elsf Dahl, Roald {{a|508}} (155)<br />
4- Dalby, Richard<br />
5.. Dalkey, Kara ,1953<br />
4.. Dalton, Annie ,1948<br />
#- lwf Dalton, James {{a|148317}} (3) <br />
> Daly, Hamlin ><br />
> Dana, Rose ><br />
:.elsf Dane, Clemence {{a|19199}} (82) <br />
4- Dann, Colin<br />
4- Dann, Jack<br />
#-elsf Dante Alighieri {{a|137127}} (1211) <br />
?.. Darby, Lyndan --joint pseud. Ann Grimsley (? - ), Lynne Kinnerley (? - )<br />
> D'Arcy, Jack ><br />
:-el f Darlington, W A {{a|186990}} (22) <br />
> Darmancour, P ><br />
:-elsf Davey, Norman {{a|199699}} (25) <br />
2- Davidson, Avram<br />
1- Davies, Robertson<br />
4.. Davis, Grania ,1943<br />
:-el f Dawson, Coningsby W {{a|157528}} (44) <br />
> Dawson, William J ><br />
> Day, J Wentworth ><br />
5.. Dean, Pamela ,1953<br />
><s> de Beaumont, Marie Leprince > </s><br />
q0..EFlsf de Beauvoir, Simone {{a|4483}} (131) <br />
5- de Bernieres, Louis<br />
q0-elsf de Camp, L Sprague (112)<br />
4- DeChancie, John<br />
:- w f de Comeau, Alexander {{a|130947}} --niLC [3] --YoB unknown, first book publ 1927<br />
:-elsf Deeping, Warwick {{a|6702}} (140) <br />
#-elsf Defoe, Daniel {{a|1900}} (801) <br />
6- de Haan, Tom = pseud.<br />
4- de Haven, Tom<br />
5- Deitz, Tom<br />
><s> de La Fontaine, Jean > </s><br />
:-el f de La Mare, Walter {{a|11634}} (277)<br />
4- Delany, Samuel R<br />
3- de Larrabeiti, Michael<br />
5- de Lint, Charles<br />
:-el f de Maupassant, Guy {{a|1958}} (431) <br />
:-el f de Morgan, William {{a|187146}} (16) <br />
5- Denning, Troy<br />
5- Dennis, Ian<br />
q0-elsf Derleth, August W (201)<br />
#-el f de Sade, Marquis {{a|109031}} (131) <br />
5- Dever, Joe<br />
4- Devereaux, Robert<br />
5.. Dexter, Susan ,1955<br />
4- Diamond, Graham<br />
4.. Dibell, Ansen ,1942 = pseud Nancy Ann Dibble<br />
q1..elsf Dick, Kay {{a|145463}} (14+3)<br />
> Dick, R A ><br />
:-elsf Dickens, Charles {{a|1572}} (2196) <br />
2-elsf Dickinson, Peter {{a|1442}} (95)<br />
:-el f Dickinson, W Croft {{a|20183}} (11)[many] g<br />
> Dickson, Carter ><br />
2- Dickson, Gordon R<br />
> Dikty, Thaddeus E ><br />
:.eLLsf Dinesen, Isak (61) +37 KBlixen +1 Andrézel = {{a|Karen Blixen}}<br />
= Tania Blixen https://lccn.loc.gov/no95003726 (0)<br />
= Pierre Andrézel https://lccn.loc.gov/no95003714 (1)<br />
= Osceola https://lccn.loc.gov/n2011003005 (0)<br />
> Dionnet, Jean-Pierre ><br />
4- Disch, Thomas M<br />
4.. Diski, Jenny ,1947<br />
:-elsf Disraeli, Benjamin {{a|16821}} (161) <br />
3- Doctorow, E L<br />
> Domecq, H Bustos ><br />
4- Donaldson, Stephen R<br />
>: Donnelly, Ignatius > ANTHROPOLOGY https://lccn.loc.gov/n80005270 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_L._Donnelly EN]<br />
><s> Doolittle, Hilda > </s><br />
> Dorset, Ruth ><br />
4.. Douglas, Carole Nelson ,1944<br />
:-elsf Douglas, Norman {{a|19173}} (97) <br />
:. lwwf Douglas, Theo (2) = {{a|Henrietta D. Everett}}, Mrs. H. D. Everett<br />
= Julia Douglas https://lccn.loc.gov/nr95025284 (0)<br />
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-nr95-025284 (conflates) o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/81981668]<br />
:-elsf Doyle, [Sir] Arthur Conan {{a|1131}} (787)<br />
5..elsf Doyle, Debra {{a|470}} (20),1952 + joint pseudonyms<br />
><s>Drake, Burgess > </s> = H.B.<br />
4- Drake, David A<br />
:-elw f Drake, H B {{a|136904}} (13)[many] <br />
> Dreadstone, Carl ><br />
> Dreher, Sarah ><br />
3? Drew, Wayland ,1932<br />
: lw f Drummond, Hamilton {{a|126745}} (13)[many] <br />
><s> Dryasdust > </s><br />
5..elsf Duane, Diane E {{a|97}} (54),1952<br />
> Dufays, Baudelaire ><br />
:-elsf Dumas, Alexandre père {{a|2024}} (1260)<br />
q0..elsf Du Maurier, Daphne {{a|864}} (156) <br />
3- Duncan, Dave<br />
:. lwf Dunn, [Mrs] Gertrude {{a|226115}} (as 12)<br />
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-dunn,%20gertrude (retired identity)<br />
:.Dl f G. Colmore, who was Gertrude Colmore Dunn for a time, {{a|186701}} (as 12)<br />
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n84-021617 (combined identity, following LC?)<br />
> Dunne, J W ><br />
:-elsf Dunsany, Lord {{a|823}} (129)<br />
> Durrell, Gerald ><br />
:-elsf Dwyer, James Francis {{a|15651}} (13) <br />
:-ew f Dyalhis, Nictzin {{a|766}} --niLC [2] <br />
> Dyrenforth, James ><br />
5- Dziemianowicz, Stefan R<br />
1-el f Eager, Edward {{a|6033}} (37) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Tales of Magic / Eager]]<br />
4- Easton, M Coleman<br />
3- Eco, Umberto<br />
3- Eddings, David<br />
:-elsf Eddison, E R {{a|169}} (15)<br />
4.. Edgerton, Teresa ,1949<br />
>:.el f Edwards, Amelia B > Ghost Stories [post-Gothic, Dickens successor] {{a|16355}} (39) <br />
4.. Edwards, Claudia J ,1943<br />
5.. Egan, Doris ,1955<br />
><s> Egbert, Floyd C ></s> = KENNETH MORRIS<br />
4.. Eisenstein, Phyllis ,1946<br />
> Eldridge, Paul ><br />
q0-ERlsf Eliade, Mircea (199)<br />
> Eliot, T S ><br />
3- Elkin, Stanley<br />
q3..elsf Elliott, Janice (23)<br />
> Elliott, Kate ><br />
><s> Ellison, Harlan </s> --deleted from SFE-F in favor of SFE3<br />
> Emerson, Jane ><br />
4.. Emerson, Ru ,1944<br />
5- Emery, Clayton<br />
[Tales of Robin Hood (1988) "set in a Britain rooted in Magic, and features a Robin Hood intimate with those roots<br />
q2..elsf Emshwiller, Carol {{a|1274}} (13)<br />
2-EDl f Ende, Michael {{a|1513}} (60)<br />
q0-elsf Endore, Guy (40)<br />
:-el f Erckmann-Chatrian --joint pseud. {{a|6711}} (54)<br />
5- Erickson, Steve<br />
> Ericson, Eric ><br />
4.. Erskine, Barbara ,1944<br />
:-el f Erskine, John {{a|160721}} (136) --mentioned concerning Twain's Adam and Eve<br />
1- Eshbach, Lloyd Arthur<br />
> Estes, Eleanor ><br />
?.. Estes, Rose ,19xx<br />
4- Etchison, Dennis<br />
#-el f Euripides {{a|151942}} (798)<br />
><s> Everett, H D > Theo Douglas </s><br />
:-elsf Ewers, Hanns Heinz {{a|19730}} (46)<br />
> Ewing, Juliana H ><br />
> Ex-Private X ><br />
> Fabyan, Robert ><br />
q0-el f Fagunwa, D O (15)<br />
4.. Fakinou, Eugenia ,1945<br />
:.el f Falconer, Lanoe {{a|82945}} (6) = Mary Elizabeth Hawker<br />
:-el f Falkner, J Meade {{a|112729}} (21)<br />
:-el f Farjeon, B L {{a|186036}} (84) --father (father, grandfather)<br />
:.el f Farjeon, Eleanor {{a|112169}} (149) --daughter (sister, aunt)<br />
q3..el f Farmer, Penelope {{a|5978}} (40)<br />
1- Farmer, Philip José<br />
5- Farrington, Geoffrey = Geoffrey Smith<br />
> Faulcon, Robert ><br />
4- Feist, Raymond E<br />
2- Felitta, Frank de<br />
> Fell, Andrew ><br />
#-el f Fénelon, François de Salignac de la Mothe {{a|215266}} (241) (La Mothe-Fénelon at ISFDB)<br />
> Fenn, Lionel ><br />
5- Fergusson, Bruce<br />
0- Fessier, Michael<br />
:-el f Field, Eugene {{a|16819}} (141) --Sr, senior<br />
> Field, Gans T ><br />
:.el f Field, Rachel {{a|168466}} (68)<br />
5- Findley, Nigel<br />
3- Findley, Timothy<br />
0- Finney, Charles G<br />
1- Finney, Jack = Walter Braden Finney<br />
:-el f Firbank, Ronald {{a|227015}} (41)<br />
><s> Firth, Violet M > </s><br />
> Fischer, Harry ><br />
> Fischer, Marjorie ><br />
6- Fisher, Paul R<br />
4.. Fisk, Pauline ,1948<br />
> Fiske, Tarleton ><br />
:-el f Fitzgerald, F Scott {{a|20115}} (247) <br />
:-el f Flaubert, Gustave {{a|2053}} (381) <br />
:-elsf Flecker, James Elroy {{a|19645}} (25)<br />
> Fleming, Ian ><br />
> Fletcher, George U ><br />
4- Flint, Kenneth C<br />
> Flynn, Casey ><br />
:-elsf Ford, Ford Madox {{a|70501}} (203) <br />
5- Ford, John M<br />
4- Ford, Richard<br />
:-elsf Forster, E M {{a|1969}} (203) <br />
:.eLL f Fortune, Dion {{a|5931}} (42) +7 Firth = Violet Mary Firth Evans<br />
4- Foster, Alan Dean<br />
#-el f Fouqué, Friedrich, Baron de la Motte {{a|16358}} (91) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Fouque]]<br />
5- Fowler, Christopher<br />
2- Fowles, John<br />
1- Fox, Gardner F<br />
:-elsf France, Anatole {{a|16830}} (422) <br />
3- Frank, Frederick S<br />
5.. Franklin, Cheryl J ,1955<br />
: lwsf Fraser, [Sir] Ronald {{a|102033}} (25) --niEN <br />
4- Frayling, Christopher<br />
3- Frayn, Michael<br />
:-el f Frazer, [Sir] James {{a|189007}} (116) = ISFDB: J. G. Frazer<br />
1- Frazer, Shamus = James Ian Arbuthnot Frazer<br />
:.el f Freeman, Mary E Wilkins {{a|2086}} (99) <br />
5- Friedman, Michael Jan<br />
5.. Friesner, Esther ,1951<br />
:-elsf Friswell, Hain {{a|179491}} (29)<br />
4- Frith, Nigel<br />
5- Frost, Gregory<br />
5- Frost, Mark<br />
1- Frye, Northrop<br />
3- Fryer, Donald S<br />
2- Fuentes, Carlos<br />
3- Fuller, John<br />
5.. Furey, Maggie ,1955<br />
q3..el f Furlong, Monica (37)<br />
5? Gaarder, Jostein ,1952<br />
5.. Gabaldon, Diana ,1952<br />
6-elsf Gaiman, Neil {{a|410}} (179)<br />
> Gaines, William M ><br />
> Galland, Antoine ><br />
:- Gallico, Paul<br />
><s> Gallister, Michael > </s><br />
> Gallon, Tom ><br />
> Galt, John ><br />
:-eLsf Ganpat {{a|127698}} (16) +Ganpat (13) = Gompertz<br />
2- García Márquez, Gabriel<br />
4- Garcia Y Robertson, R<br />
1.. lwf Gard, Joyce {{a|109672}} (6) = pseud Joyce Reeves<br />
niEN, niQ<br />
4- Gardner, Craig Shaw<br />
3-elsf Gardner, John {{a|3087}} (61)<br />
2-el f Garfield, Leon {{a|5885}} (82)<br />
3-elsf Garner, Alan<br />
:. '''Garnett, Constance --translator mainly, daughter-in-law''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Garnett EN]<br />
:-elsf Garnett, David {{a|1629}} (73), grandson<br />
:-elsf Garnett, Edward {{a|146874}} (53), son<br />
:-elsf Garnett, Richard {{a|2039}} (95)<br />
> Garou, Louis P ><br />
2- Garrett, Randall<br />
> Gascoigne, Bamber ><br />
6- Gascoigne, Marc<br />
4..elsf Gaskell, Jane {{a|3845}} (15);1941<br />
> Gautier, Judith ><br />
:-el f Gautier, Théophile {{a|2028}} (302)<br />
1- Gawsworth, John = (Terence Ian) Fytton Armstrong<br />
5.. Geary, Patricia ,1951<br />
4.. Gedge, Pauline ,1945<br />
4- Gemmell, David A<br />
5.. Gentle, Mary ,1956<br />
#-el f Geoffrey of Monmouth {{a|110957}} (44) <br />
:-elsf Giesy, John Ulrich {{a|1908}} (7)<br />
:-el f Gilbert, William {{a|2035}} (6)<br />
:-el f Gilbert, [Sir] W S {{a|2036}} (597)<br />
3 Gilliland, Alexis A ,1931<br />
?.. Gilluly, Sheila ,19xx<br />
5.. Gilman, Greer Ilene ,1951<br />
> Gilmer, Ann ><br />
2- Godwin, Parke<br />
#-el f Godwin, William {{a|1983}} (139)<br />
#-el f Goethe, Johann W {{a|2065}} (2087) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Faust]]<br />
:-el f Gogol, Nikolai {{a|237483}} (543)<br />
1- Gold, Horace L<br />
q:-elsf Golding, Louis (83)<br />
1-elsf Golding, [Sir] William {{a|785}} (51) <br />
3- Goldman, William<br />
5.. Goldstein, Lisa ,1953<br />
4- Goodkind, Terry<br />
> Gopaleen, Myles na ><br />
> Gordon, Frances ><br />
2- Gordon, John<br />
2- Gorey, Edward<br />
!q0..el f Goudge, Elizabeth {{a|5825}} (100)<br />
3- Goulart, Ron<br />
:-elsf Gourmont, Rémy de {{a|15620}} (118)<br />
#- '''Gozzi, Carlo''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Gozzi EN]<br />
5.. Grabien, Deborah ,1954<br />
:-elsf Grabiński, Stefan {{a|167301}} (8)<br />
:-el f Grahame, Kenneth {{a|2306}} (222) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Grahame . TWitW]]<br />
Grainville, Jean Cousin de ><br />
4- Grant, Charles L<br />
q0..el f Grant, Joan {{a|146932}} (33) = pseud (first marriage name of) Joan Marshall Kelsey <br />
4-elsf Grant, John {{a|123992}} (23),1949 = Paul (le Page) Barnett<br />
5.. Grant, Kathryn ,1952 + historical romance under pseudonyms<br />
> Granville-Barker, Harley ><br />
2- Grass, Günter<br />
3- Gray, Alasdair<br />
1- Gray, Nicholas Stuart<br />
1-elsf Green, Roger Lancelyn {{a|10828}} (94), father of Richard L G<br />
4- Green, Roland J<br />
4.. Green, Sharon ,1942<br />
5- Green, Simon R<br />
4- Green, Terence M<br />
4- Greenberg, Martin H<br />
5- Greenland, Colin<br />
:-elwf Greenwood, James {{a|228546}} (3) (about 20, many as by "Greenwood, James")<br />
4.. Gregorian, Joyce Ballou ,1946<br />
:- lwf Griffiths, Alan {{a|188304}} LC "active 1934-39" (3) WorldCat (4)<br />
> Grile, Dod ><br />
#- Grimm Brothers<br />
= El f Grimm, Jacob {{a|19912}} (1065)<br />
= El f Grimm, Wilhelm {{a|9071}} (888)<br />
:.el f Grimshaw, Beatrice {{a|1668}} (30)<br />
2- Grimshaw, Nigel<br />
4- Grimwood, Ken<br />
:-el f Grin, Alexander {{a|70431}} (51)<br />
!q2..el f Gripe, Maria Kristina (38) <br />
1- Grubb, Davis<br />
6- Grundy, Stephan<br />
> Guest, Lady Charlotte ><br />
q:-elsf Gunn, Neil M (59)<br />
5- Gunnarsson, Thorarinn<br />
6.. Guon, Ellen ,1964<br />
3- Gygax, Gary<br />
:-elsf Haggard, [Sir] H Rider {{a|138}} (293)<br />
!q3..el f Hahn, Mary Downing (49)<br />
4- Haining, Peter<br />
:.elsf Haldane, Charlotte {{a|100265}} (34) <br />
3.. lw f Haldeman, Linda (3)<br />
niEN, niQ<br />
> Hale, James ><br />
> Halam, Ann ><br />
: lwwsf Halidom, M Y {{a|1200052}} (0) +1 Dryasdust [many + 7] <br />
= Dryasdust https://lccn.loc.gov/n90713983 (1)<br />
> Hall, Frances ><br />
> Hall, Rodney ><br />
5.. Hambly, Barbara ,1951<br />
> Hamilton, Clive ><br />
> Hamilton, John ><br />
6.. Hamilton, Laurell K ,1963<br />
> Hammond, Keith ><br />
4- Hancock, Neil<br />
5.. Hand, Elizabeth ,1957<br />
> Hank in Maggs ><br />
> Harding, Ross ><br />
?- Harding, Simon<br />
4- Hardy, Lyndon<br />
:- '''Hargreaves, [Sir] Gerald''' --nidb --niEN.wiki<br />
6- Harman, Andrew<br />
5- Harpur, Patrick<br />
q0..el f Harris, Christie {{a|148594}} (24)<br />
5.. Harris, Deborah Turner ,1951<br />
5.. Harris, Geraldine ,1951<br />
:-el f Harris, Joel Chandler {{a|19914}} (144)<br />
2- Harris, MacDonald = Donald William Heiney<br />
q2..el f Harris, Rosemary {{a|16228}} (33)<br />
2- Harris, Wilson<br />
> Harrison, Jane E ><br />
0- Harrison, Michael = Maurice Desmond Rohan<br />
4- Harrison, M John<br />
:-elsf Hartley, L P {{a|548}} (45)<br />
4- Hartwell, David G<br />
:-el f Harvey, William F {{a|16268}} (8)[many]<br />
4- Hasford, Gustav<br />
:-el f Hauff, Wilhelm {{a|2025}} (153)<br />
:-elsf Hauptmann, Gerhart {{a|113675}} (248) <br />
> Haviland, Virginia ><br />
> Havlasa, Jan ><br />
5- Hawke, Simon<br />
><s> Hawkwood, Allan > </s><br />
> Hawthorne, Hildegarde ><br />
:-elsf Hawthorne, Julian {{a|17790}} (108) --son of Nathaniel Hawthorne <br />
:-elsf Hawthorne, Nathaniel {{a|1959}} (751)<br />
> Hay, Timothy ><br />
4- Hazel, Paul<br />
:.el f H.D. = {{a|Delia Alton}} = Hilda Doolittle (94) <br />
:-elsf Heard, Gerald {{a|1946}} (66)<br />
> Heard, H F ><br />
:-EJl f Hearn, Lafcadio {{a|19738}} (281)<br />
:-elsf Hecht, Ben {{a|19733}} (100)<br />
> Heide, Florence Parry ><br />
0- Heinlein, Robert A<br />
4- Helprin, Mark<br />
3- Henighan, Tom<br />
> Henry, Alan ><br />
4- Herbert, James<br />
5.. Herbert, Mary H ,1957<br />
> Herman, William ><br />
:. Heron, E & H --joint pseud. mother-and-son<br />
= :.*l f K(ate) Prichard (1851), mother {{a|120100}} (11) = Kate O'Brien (Ryall) Hesketh[-]Prichard --niEN (link EN: Hesketh Prichard) <br />
= :-el f Hesketh Prichard {{a|120099}} (27) under Prichard, not H-P = Hesketh Hesketh-Prichard (0)<br />
> Heron-Allen, Edward ><br />
> Herzmanovsky-Orlando, Fritz von ><br />
:-elsf Hesse, Hermann {{a|11094}} (395) <br />
4.. Heydron, Vicki Ann ,1945<br />
:-elsf Hichens, Robert {{a|30943}} (112)<br />
5.. Hickman, Tracy ,1955<br />
5.. Hilgartner, Beth ,1957<br />
4.. Hill, Susan ,1942<br />
> Hilman, F Mchugh ><br />
0- Hilton, James<br />
4- Hjortsberg, William<br />
2- Hoban, Russell<br />
><s> Hobb, Robin > </s><br />
0- Hobson, [Sir] Harold<br />
5.. Hodgell, P C ,1951<br />
:-elsf Hodgson, William Hope {{a|163}} (24)<br />
5.. Hoffman, Nina Kiriki ,1955<br />
#-elsf Hoffmann, E T A {{a|19492}} (374)<br />
:-el f Hofmannsthal, Hugo von {{a|96125}} (343)<br />
#-el f Hogg, James {{a|76629}} (100) <br />
4- Holdstock, Robert P<br />
:-elsf Holland, Clive {{a|190884}} (35) = Charles James Hankinson https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n90-637192 <br />
:. '''Holme, Constance''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Holme EN]<br />
6- Holt, Tom<br />
#-elsf Homer {{a|20200}} (1198)<br />
> Homunculus [2] ><br />
4- Horwood, William<br />
:-elsf Houghton, Claude {{a|181546}} (42) <br />
0- Household, Geoffrey<br />
:.el f Housman, Clemence {{a|7108}} (5)<br />
:-elsf Housman, Laurence {{a|111581}} (177) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Laurence Housman]]<br />
q2..el f Howard, Elizabeth Jane (26)<br />
0-elsf Howard, Robert E {{a|822}} (112), born 1906<br />
4- Howe, James<br />
:-elsf Howells, William Dean {{a|11227}} (391)<br />
> Howlett, Winston A ><br />
1- Hubbard, L Ron<br />
:-elsf Hudson, W H {{a|7219}} (202)<br />
5.. Huff, Tanya ,1957<br />
3- Hughart, Barry<br />
4- Hughes, Robert Don<br />
3-elsf Hughes, Ted {{a|1742}} (164)<br />
> Hugo, Victor > <br />
> Hull, E Mayne ><br />
:-elsf Hume, Fergus {{a|129099}} (59)<br />
> Huneker, James ><br />
> Hunt, Gill ><br />
4- Hunt, Peter<br />
:.el f Hunt, Violet {{a|19959}} (20) --daughter of Brothers Grimm translator, ''Grimm's Household Tales'' (2 vols., 1880)<br />
q2..el f Hunter, Mollie {{a|5600}} (37)<br />
> Huxley, Aldous ><br />
:-el f Huysmans, Joris-Karl {{a|5598}} (121)<br />
4.. Ingalls, Rachel ,1940<br />
:.el f Ingelow, Jean {{a|73761}} (71)<br />
><s> Ingoldsby, Thomas > </s> (Barham)<br />
1- Ionesco, Eugène<br />
q1..el f Ipcar, Dahlov {{a|3563}} (50)<br />
#-elsf Irving, Washington {{a|1971}} (968)<br />
:.el f Irwin, Margaret {{a|13651}} (many) (many as by "Irwin, Margaret" undifferentiated)<br />
4- Irwin, Robert<br />
1- Irwin, W R ;1915<br />
2- Jackman, Stuart<br />
:-el f Jacks, L P {{a|147064}} (68) <br />
?.. l f Jackson, Rosemary {{a|148266}} (4),19xx<br />
q1..elsf Jackson, Shirley {{a|694}} (64)<br />
5- Jackson, Steve<br />
5- Jackson, Steve [2]<br />
>:-el . Jacobs, Joseph > Folklore; Folktales. ; {{a|17634}} (129) section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Joseph Jacobs]]<br />
3- Jacques, Brian<br />
3- Jakes, John W<br />
> James, Dynely ><br />
:-elsf James, Henry {{a|1692}} (841) <br />
2- James, John<br />
:-el f James, M R {{a|5578}} (130) <br />
> James, Philip ><br />
q1..el f Jansson, Tove {{a|2148}} (110)<br />
> Jaroš, Peter ><br />
6-el f Jarvis, Robin {{a|1663}} (9)<br />
4- Jefferies, Mike<br />
:-elsf Jefferies, Richard {{a|17684}} (86)<br />
: w f Jenks, Almet {{a|230396}} --niLC [2, one work only]<br />
> Jenks, Jacquetta ><br />
:-elsf Jepson, Edgar {{a|63971}} (33)<br />
:-el f Jerome, Jerome K {{a|14339}} (116)<br />
> Johns, Jacob ><br />
4- Johnson, Charles<br />
> Johnson, Richard ><br />
?- w f Johnston, Gunnar {{a|230441}} --niLC [5] <br />
:.elsf Johnston, Mary {{a|153903}} (51) <br />
1- Jones, Chuck<br />
q3..elsf Jones, Diana Wynne {{a|593}} (82) ; sister elw Ursula Jones {{a|176846}} (8) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Chrestomanci]]<br />
5.. Jones, Gwyneth ,1952<br />
5.. Jones, Jenny ,1954<br />
6.. Jones, J V ,1963<br />
5- Jones, Stephen<br />
4- Jones, Terry<br />
> Jonson, Ben ><br />
4- Jordan, Robert = James Oliver Rigney Jr<br />
5- Joshi, S T ,1958<br />
5- Joyce, Graham<br />
:-el f Joyce, James {{a|113840}} (502) <br />
2-el f Juster, Norton {{a|5534}} (25)<br />
> Kadare, Ismail ><br />
:-elsf Kafka, Franz {{a|15578}} (355) <br />
3- Kangilaski, Jaan<br />
4.. Karr, Phyllis Ann ,1944<br />
:-el f Kästner, Erich {{a|186176}} (176) <br />
4.. Katz, Welwyn ,1948<br />
q0..elsf Kavan, Anna {{a|1372}} (42);1901 = "took the name AK by deed-poll"<br />
4.. Kaveney, Roz ,1949<br />
5- Kay, Guy Gavriel<br />
3- Kaye, Marvin<br />
:-el f Kazantzakis, Nikos {{a|239493}} (128)<br />
6- Kearney, Paul<br />
#-el f Keats, John {{a|22268}} (296) <br />
#-el f Keightley, Thomas {{a|7869}} (54) ><br />
3- Kelleher, Victor<br />
:-elsf Keller, David H {{a|1124}} (18)<br />
> Kelley, Thomas P ><br />
q1..el f Kendall, Carol {{a|3091}} (15)<br />
> Kendall, Gordon ><br />
> Kendall, May ><br />
><s> Kennealy, Patricia > </s><br />
4.. Kennealy-Morrison, Patricia ,1946<br />
3-el f Kennedy, Richard {{a|5506}} (21) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Richard Kennedy]]<br />
> Kent, Kelvin ><br />
!q0.. lwf Kerby, Susan Alice {{a|122630}} (17)[many]<br />
= pseud (Alice) Elizabeth Burton --libraries conflate with other Elizabeth Burtons<br />
q3..el f Kernaghan, Eileen (8)<br />
4.. Kerr, Katharine ,1944<br />
:. lsf Kerruish, Jessie Douglas {{a|6706}} (6) <br />
1- Kersh, Gerald<br />
> Kesteven, Ambrosius ><br />
> <s>Key, Samuel M > </s> = Uel<br />
:-e f Key, Uel {{a|122690}} --niLC [4] WorldCat: [http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-key,%20uel/ Uel] [http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-key,%20samuel%20whittell/ Samuel] [http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3AKey%2C+Samuel+Whittell%2C&qt=hot_author search au:Key, Samuel Whittel]<br />
><s> Keyne, Gordon > </s><br />
4- Kilworth, Garry<br />
4- King, Bernard<br />
> King, Clive ><br />
:.el f King, Jessie M {{a|193096}} (7) --illustrator mainly<br />
4-elsf King, Stephen {{a|70}} (258) + (15)<br />
5- King, Tappan<br />
:-el f Kingsley, Charles {{a|2029}} (273)<br />
> Kingsley, Henry ><br />
> Kingsley, Mary ><br />
2- King-Smith, Dick<br />
3-elsf Kinsella, W P {{a|5484}} (43) --baseball <br />
:-elsf Kipling, Rudyard {{a|1961}} (1908) [[User:Pwendt/People/Rudyard Kipling]]<br />
5.. Kirchoff, Mary L ,1959<br />
1- Kirkup, James<br />
5.. Kirstein, Rosemary ,1953<br />
4- Klein, T E D ,1947<br />
6- Knaak, Richard A<br />
:-el f Knatchbull-Hugessen, E H {{a|168789}} (9)[many] = Lord Brabourne <br />
> Knickerbocker, Diedrich ><br />
:-el f Knight, Eric {{a|16531}} (40+4) <br />
> Knowles, Rupert ><br />
:-el f Knowles, Vernon {{a|127139}} (3)[many]<br />
> Kolár, Josef Jiří ><br />
:- '''Kondratiev, Alexander''' --nidb --niEN.wiki<br />
4- Koontz, Dean R<br />
> Kossak-Szcczucka, Zofia ><br />
3- Koster, R M ,1934<br />
3- Kotzwinkle, William<br />
> Kramerius, Václav Rodomil ><br />
> Krasiński, Zygmunt ><br />
5- Krensky, Stephen<br />
4.. Kress, Nancy ,1948<br />
6- Kubasik, Christopher<br />
> Kubin, Alfred ><br />
:- lwf Kummer, Frederic Arnold {{a|115484}} (59) <br />
2- Kundera, Milan<br />
3- Kurland, Michael<br />
4.. Kurtz, Katherine ,1944<br />
5.. Kushner, Ellen ,1955<br />
1-eLLsf Kuttner, Henry {{a|452}} (27) +8 Lewis Padgett, joint pseud.<br />
5.. Lackey, Mercedes ,1950<br />
4- LaFarge, Tom<br />
1- Lafferty, R A ;1914<br />
>17 La Fontaine, Jean de > Fable; Charles Perrault.<br />
:-el f Laforgue, Jules {{a|124491}} (55) <br />
:.el f Lagerlöf, Selma {{a|5440}} (183) <br />
:-el f Lagerkvist, Pär {{a|167237}} (79)<br />
><s> Lainez, Manuel Mujica > </s><br />
> Lamark, Drew ><br />
#-el f Lamb, Charles {{a|189484}} (325) ; el-- Mary Lamb {{a|190794}} (112)<br />
:-elsf Lamb, Harold {{a|19453}} (62) <br />
> Lambert, S H ><br />
:-elsf Lambourne, John {{a|160703}} (23) <br />
4.. Lance, Kathryn ,1943<br />
4- Lancour, Gene = Gene Lancour Fisher<br />
0- Landolfi, Tommaso<br />
:-elsf Lang, Andrew {{a|6880}} (474) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Andrew Lang]]<br />
5-elsf Langford, David {{a|752}} (10+1) --SFE3 co-editor<br />
= William Robert Loosley https://lccn.loc.gov/n88653112 (1)[1] https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n88-653112<br />
1- Langley, Noel ;1911<br />
> Langran, Maurice ><br />
> Langton, Jane ><br />
> Lanyard, Fortescue ><br />
4- La Plante, Richard<br />
5.. Larsen, Jeanne ,1950<br />
5- Larson, Randall D<br />
5- Lasdun, James<br />
4.. Laubenthal, Sanders Anne ,1943<br />
3- Launay, André ,1930<br />
> Launay, Droo ><br />
> Laurance, Andrew ><br />
:-EFl f Lautréamont, Comte de {{a|16833}} (42) = Isidore Lucien Ducasse<br />
5- Lawhead, Stephen R<br />
4.. Lawrence, Ann ,1942<br />
:-el f Lawrence, D H {{a|11632}} (558) <br />
4..elsf Lawrence, Louise {{a|1649}} (18),1943 = Elizabeth Holden<br />
:.elsf Lawrence, Margery {{a|15077}} (16) VIAF 126258545 [https://viaf.org/viaf/79287229/#Lawrence,_Margery,_1896-1969 VIAF 79287229]<br />
> Laws, Stephen ><br />
:-el f Lawson, Robert --illustrator mainly {{a|13904}} (81) <br />
:-el f Lear, Edward {{a|22266}} (243) <br />
4- Le Clézio, J-M G ,1940<br />
3- Lee, John<br />
2- Lee, Stan<br />
4..elsf Lee, Tanith {{a|105}} (71),1947<br />
:.el f Lee, Vernon, pseud. {{a|1965}} (79) = Violet Paget --half-sister<br />
> Leech, Ben ><br />
:-el f Lee-Hamilton, Eugene {{a|22265}} (5) --half-brother<br />
:-el f Le Fanu, J Sheridan {{a|1962}} (84) <br />
q2..elsf Le Guin, Ursula K {{a|37}} (175) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Ursula K. Le Guin]]<br />
1-e s Leiber, Fritz {{a|38}} (67);1910<br />
1987 Tor double Echoes of valor https://lccn.loc.gov/98809481<br />
1990 Tor double The Fair https://lccn.loc.gov/98818853<br />
:-el f Leland, Charles Godfrey {{a|120572}} (186)<br />
> Lelland, Frank ><br />
q1..elsf L'Engle, Madeleine {{a|2923}} (138)<br />
#.el f Leprince de Beaumont, Madame Jeanne-Marie {{a|208738}} (59)<br />
q3.. lwsf Lerman, Rhoda (12)<br />
niEN<br />
1- '''Lerner, Alan Jay''' ;1918 = Lerner & Loewe --nidb<br />
:-EDl f Lernet-Holenia, Alexander {{a|100741}} (62)<br />
:-elsf Leroux, Gaston {{a|5395}} (165) <br />
> Lešehrad, Emanuel ><br />
:. lwf Leslie, Josephine {{a|115491}} (5) [many] = R. A. Dick <br />
> Level, Maurice ><br />
!q2..elw f Levin, Betty (26)<br />
2- Levin, Ira<br />
#-el f Levshin, Vasily {{a|186479}} (12) <br />
:-elsf Lewis, C S {{a|301}} (394)<br />
:.el f Lewis, Hilda {{a|115885}} (38) <br />
#-el f Lewis, Matthew Gregory {{a|631}} (115) <br />
:-elsf Lewis, Wyndham {{a|49201}} (139)<br />
> Leyton, E K ><br />
5- Ligotti, Thomas<br />
q0..ESl f Lindgren, Astrid {{a|29517}} (221)<br />
5.. Lindholm, Megan ,1952 = Robin Hobb pseud.<br />
:-elsf Lindsay, David {{a|166}} (15)<br />
:-el f Lindsay, Norman {{a|30344}} (65)<br />
:-elsf Linklater, Eric {{a|13496}} (129) <br />
2- Lins, Osman<br />
:.el f Linton, Lynn {{a|82749}} (46) <br />
6.. Lisle, Holly ,1960<br />
4.. Lisle, Janet Taylor ,1947<br />
6- Little, Bentley<br />
q3..el f Lively, Penelope {{a|5368}} (81)<br />
:. lwf Livingston, Marjorie {{a|233026}} (5) [14] <br />
4- Livingstone, Ian<br />
2- Lloyd, A R ,1927<br />
> Lloyd, Charles ><br />
q3..el f Llywelyn, Morgan (42+)<br />
:-elsf Lofting, Hugh {{a|5360}} (89) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Doctor Dolittle]]<br />
q0..el f Lofts, Norah {{a|9021}} (130+2) + 2[2 titles only] as Juliet Astley<br />
= (0)[1] Peter Curtis https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n2013-028275<br />
6.. Logston, Anne ,1962<br />
:-elsf London, Jack {{a|1975}} (588) <br />
0- Long, Frank Belknap<br />
> Long, John Luther ><br />
> Lord, Jeffrey ><br />
4.. Lorrah, Jean ,1940<br />
> Lorrain, Jean ><br />
> Loti, Pierre ><br />
:-EFl f Louÿs, Pierre {{a|15210}} (132) <br />
:-elsf Lovecraft, H P {{a|165}} (126) <br />
> Lovehill, C B ><br />
6- Lowder, James<br />
3- Luard, Nicholas<br />
#-elsf Lucian {{a|115737}} (209) <br />
5- Lukeman, Tim<br />
3- Lumley, Brian<br />
> Lundwall, Sam J ><br />
><s> Lustbader, Eric > </s><br />
> Lyndell, Catherine ><br />
> Lynes, Russell ><br />
><s> Lynn, Eliza > </s> = Lynn Linton<br />
4.. Lynn, Elizabeth A ,1946<br />
><s> Lytton, Lord > </s> = Edward Bulwer-Lytton<br />
---- ---- 2019-12-30 above this line, first column is 1900s birth decade (> redirect, ? 19??, ! earlier) ---- ----<br />
> MacAuley, Charles Raymond ><br />
4..elsf Macavoy, R A {{a|390}} (8),1949<br />
2- McBain, Ed = Evan Hunter, born S A Lombino<br />
q2..elsf McCaffrey, Anne {{a|176}} (143)<br />
> McCarthy, Cormac ><br />
><s> McCarthy, Justin > </s><br />
:-el f McCarthy, Justin Huntly {{a|115704}} (89)<br />
5- McCarty, Dennis<br />
5..el f McCaughrean, Geraldine {{a|8291}} (72),1951<br />
> McCaughren, Tom ><br />
:-elsf McCay, Winsor {{a|110372}} (55)<br />
3- McCormack, Eric P<br />
?.. McCrumb, Sharyn<br />
:-elsf MacDonald, George {{a|139}} (364) [[User:Pwendt/People/George Macdonald]]<br />
><s> MacDonald, Golden > </s><br />
> Macdonald, James D ><br />
3- McEvilley, Thomas<br />
> MacEwen, Gwendolyn ><br />
> MacFall, Haldane ><br />
> Macfarlane, Stephen ><br />
6- McGirt, Dan<br />
2- McGowen, Tom<br />
> McHargue, Georgess ><br />
:-elsf Machen, Arthur {{a|135}} (90) <br />
:-el f McKenna, Stephen {{a|115867}} (82)<br />
> Mackey, Mary ><br />
3- McKiernan, Dennis L<br />
4..elsf McKillip, Patricia A {{a|1022}} (33),1948<br />
5..elsf McKinley, Robin {{a|2369}} (32),1952<br />
:-el f MacLeish, Archibald {{a|16253}} (308) <br />
2- MacLeish, Roderick<br />
:-eLL f MacLeod, Fiona, pseud. {{a|110109}} = William Sharp (61+42)<br />
> McNutt, Charles ><br />
> Macpherson, James ><br />
:-EFlsf Maeterlinck, Maurice {{a|192075}} (339)<br />
q3..el f Mahy, Margaret {{a|2316}} (122)<br />
2- Mailer, Norman<br />
> Majors, Simon ><br />
> Malet, Lucas ><br />
> Mallarmé, Stéphane ><br />
#-el f Malory, [Sir] Thomas {{a|31657}} (168) <br />
> Malvern, Jefferson D ><br />
#-el f Mandeville, [Sir] John {{a|187161}} (63) <br />
4- Manguel, Alberto<br />
2- Mankowitz, Wolf<br />
><s> Mann, Jack > </s> = E C Vivian<br />
:-el f Mann, Thomas {{a|13692}} (539) <br />
> Manning-Sanders, Ruth > Raymond Briggs; Robin Jacques<br />
> Mara, Bernard ><br />
> Margroff, Robert ><br />
> Marie de France ><br />
> Marl, David J ><br />
4- Marley, Stephen<br />
#-el f Marlowe, Christopher {{a|82613}} (219) <br />
:-el f Marquis, Don {{a|16332}} (63)<br />
#-el f Marryat, Frederick {{a|81561}} (221)<br />
> Marsh, Geoffrey ><br />
> Marshall, Alan ><br />
> Martens, Paul ><br />
4- Martin, George R R<br />
3- Martin, Graham Dunstan<br />
> Martin, John [2] ><br />
:-elsf Martin, J P {{a|90281}} (4) <br />
4.. Martin, Valerie ,1948<br />
?.. Martine-Barnes, Adrienne<br />
:-el f Masefield, John {{a|5274}} (352) <br />
- Matheson, Chris ,1958<br />
2- Matheson, Richard<br />
5- Matheson, Richard Christian<br />
:-Flsf Matson, Norman {{a|83517}} (11)[many] https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no93-020499<br />
#-elsf Maturin, Charles R {{a|1595}} (35) <br />
:-el f Maugham, W Somerset {{a|5267}} (529) <br />
><s> Maupassant, Guy de > </s><br />
q3..elsf May, Julian {{a|291}} (186+) + numerous pseudonyms <br />
2- Mayne, William<br />
> Meagher, Maude ><br />
6.. Meier, Shirley ,1960<br />
:-elsf Melville, Herman {{a|2032}} (581) <br />
> Meredith, Owen ><br />
:-elsf Merritt, A {{a|613}} (32) <br />
2- Merwin, W S ,1927<br />
:-elsf Meyrink, Gustav {{a|5218}} (58) <br />
> Mickiewicz, Adam ><br />
5? Middleton, Haydn ,1955<br />
> Middleton, Martin ><br />
:-el f Middleton, Richard {{a|2041}} (9)[many]<br />
> Miffkin, Patton H ><br />
5- Milán, Victor<br />
> Miles Gloriosus ><br />
4- Miller, Ian<br />
4- Millhauser, Steven<br />
:-el f Milne, A A {{a|5194}} (572) <br />
#-el f Milton, John {{a|92197}} (800) <br />
> Mirbeau, Octave ><br />
:.el f Mirrlees, Hope {{a|7214}} (8)<br />
:.elsf Mitchison, Naomi {{a|1735}} (107) <br />
4- Modesitt, L E Jr ,1943<br />
:.el f Molesworth, Mary {{a|124751}} (65) (Mrs. Molesworth) > Children's Fantasy. etc<br />
> Molière ><br />
> Molin, Charles ><br />
> Molyneux, Bingham T ><br />
> Momaday, N Scott ><br />
> Mompesson, Sergius ><br />
4- Monaco, Richard<br />
4- Monteleone, Thomas F<br />
4.. Moon, Elizabeth ,1945<br />
elsf Moorcock, Michael {{a|140}} (131 as MM)<br />
5- Moore, Alan<br />
2- Moore, Brian<br />
q1..eLLsf Moore, C L {{a|453}} (12) +8 Lewis Padgett, joint pseud.<br />
4- Morgan, Chris ,1946<br />
:-elsf Morley, Christopher {{a|5153}} (219) <br />
3- Morressy, John<br />
4.. Morris, Janet E ,1946<br />
!q2..lww f Morris, Jean (6+9) = real name of Kenneth O'Hara, crime writer<br />
niEN; both Morris and O'Hara at Wikidata 2023-02-17<br />
:-el f Morris, Kenneth {{a|2846}} (10)<br />
:-elsf Morris, William {{a|305}} (344)<br />
4- Morrow, James<br />
> Mortimer, Evan Gregson ><br />
> Morton, Anthony ><br />
> Morus, Cenydd ><br />
5- Morwood, Peter = Robert Peter Smith<br />
1- Mujica Lainez, Manuel<br />
2- Mulisch, Harry<br />
:-elsf Mundy, Talbot {{a|2118}} (47) = Gribbon, William Lancaster<br />
0- Munn, H Warner<br />
> Murphy, Dennis Jasper ><br />
> Murphy, Jill ><br />
5.. Murphy, Pat ,1955<br />
q2.. lw f Murphy, Shirley Rousseau (51)<br />
niEN; deceased inform SFE<br />
> Murphy, Warren B<br />
> Murray, Frieda A ><br />
> Murray, Margaret ><br />
#-el f Musäus, Johann Karl {{a|179989}} (23) <br />
5- Myers, Edward<br />
0- Myers, John Myers<br />
:-ERlsf Nabokov, Vladimir {{a|15974}} (235)<br />
> Nadir, A A ><br />
:-elsf Nathan, Robert {{a|2342}} (88) <br />
> Neiderman, Andrew ><br />
:-el f Nerval, Gérard de {{a|76941}} (167)<br />
:.elsf Nesbit, E {{a|5098}} (140) ; daughter '''Rosamund E. Nesbit Bland''' (2) --nidb [[User:Pwendt/People/E. Nesbit]]<br />
:-el f Newbolt, [Sir] Henry {{a|112892}} (61)<br />
2- Newlove, Donald<br />
5- Newman, Kim ,1959<br />
0- Newman, Robert<br />
4.. Newman, Sharan ,1949<br />
:-elsf Nichols, Beverley {{a|10051}} (120) = John B N<br />
:-elsf Nichols, Robert {{a|131770}} (30)<br />
4.. Nichols, Ruth ,1948<br />
:-elsf Nicholson, Joseph Shield {{a|131772}} (23)<br />
5- Niles, Douglas<br />
4..el f Nimmo, Jenny {{a|5089}} (27),1944<br />
:-elsf Nisbet, Hume {{a|19897}} (2)<br />
3- Niven, Larry<br />
#-elsf Nodier, Charles {{a|16549}} (113)<br />
2- Nolan, William F<br />
6- Norfolk, Lawrence<br />
> Norman, Jay ><br />
3- Norman, John = John Frederick Lange Jr<br />
><s> North, Andrew > </s><br />
q1..elsf Norton, Andre {{a|209}} (213+)<br />
= Andrew North (pseud.) (1) ''Voodoo Planet'' and ''Plague Ship''<br />
= Alice Mary Norton (birth name) https://lccn.loc.gov/n88063436 (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/51013839 ''Huon''<br />
= Allen Weston --joint pseud. (1) non-genre<br />
q0..el f Norton, Mary {{a|1376}} (50)[[User:Pwendt/People/Mary Norton]] ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#The Borrowers]]<br />
> Norvil, Manning ><br />
:-elsf Noyes, Alfred {{a|19748}} (114) <br />
5..elsf Nye, Jody Lynn {{a|1432}} (37),1957 ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Crossroads Adventure publication series]]<br />
el f Nye, Robert {{a|5059}} (51) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Robert Nye]]<br />
q3..elsf Oates, Joyce Carol (235)<br />
> O'Brien, David Wright ><br />
1- O'Brien, Flann ;1911 = Brian O'Nolan or Briain ÓNuallàin<br />
> Ocampo, Silvina ><br />
3- Offutt, Andrew J<br />
> O'Hagan, Howard ><br />
> O'Hara, Kenneth ><br />
5- Okri, Ben<br />
:.el f Oliphant, Mrs {{a|79773}} (249)<br />
:-el f Onions, Oliver {{a|15191}} (60)<br />
4.. Ore, Rebecca ,1948<br />
5.. Orr, A ,1950 = Alice Ingram Orr Sprague<br />
0- Orwell, George = Eric Arthur Blair<br />
3? O'Shea, Pat ,1931<br />
> Ossian > Celtic Fantasy<br />
:-el f O'Sullivan, Vincent {{a|17777}} (19)<br />
#-el f Ovid {{a|19918}} (684)<br />
q:-elw f Owen, Frank (34)<br />
q2..el f Ozick, Cynthia ,1928<br />
><s> Padgett, Lewis > </s> joint Kuttner & Moore<br />
5- Page, Norvell W ;1904<br />
> Paget, Francis Edward > > Children's Fantasy.; Fairytale<br />
:-elsf Pain, Barry {{a|18225}} (26)<br />
5- Palmer, Thomas<br />
6.. Palwick, Susan ,1960<br />
q1..eLLf Pargeter, Edith {{a|2173}} (38+66) = Ellis Peters, pseud.<br />
3- Parkinson, Dan<br />
: '''Parry, [Sir] Edward Abbott''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Abbott_Parry EN]<br />
<s> Paton, Ephraim Soulsby > > Kenneth Morris</s><br />
q3..elsf Paton Walsh, Jill {{a|4999}} (54)<br />
><s> Pattrick, William > pseud Peter Haining</s><br />
2- Pavič, Milorad<br />
4.. Paxson, Diana L ,1943<br />
><s> Paye, Robert > pseud Marjorie Bowen</s><br />
><s> Payne, Alan > > John W Jakes.</s><br />
> Peacock, Thomas Love > > Arthur; Flood; Ghost Stories.<br />
1- Peake, Mervyn<br />
q2..elsf Pearce, Philippa {{a|4991}} (43) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Philippa Pearce]]<br />
0- Pei, Mario<br />
> Péladan, Joséphin > > Decadence<br />
><s> Penalurick, Jan > > Charles de Lint</s><br />
> Percy, Thomas > > Romance<br />
#-el f Perrault, Charles {{a|20007}} (380) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Perrault]]<br />
> Perrault, Pierre > French folklorist (1678-1700) --son<br />
:-EDlsf Perutz, Leo {{a|132231}} (54) <br />
><s> Peters, Ellis > pseud Edith Pargeter</s><br />
><s> Peyton, Richard > pseud Peter Haining</s><br />
:.el f Phelps, Elizabeth Stuart {{a|15188}} (86) +4Ward +1Adams<br />
><s> Phillips, Michael > pseud Charles Beaumont, sometimes with William F Nolan</s><br />
:-eLLsf Phillpotts, Eden {{a|212}} (256) +4 Hext Harrington<br />
:- lwwsf Phylos the Thibetan {{a|205327}} (2+7)[13+9] = Frederick Spencer Oliver<br />
5.. Pierce, Meredith Ann ,1958<br />
5..el f Pierce, Tamora {{a|867}} (57),1954<br />
5- Pike, Christopher = Kevin McFadden<br />
5- Pini, Richard<br />
5.. Pini, Wendy ,1951<br />
4- Pinkwater, Daniel M<br />
:-elsf Pirandello, Luigi {{a|157712}} (303) <br />
#-el f Planché, James Robinson {{a|122692}} (127) <br />
:-elsf Poe, Edgar Allan {{a|622}} (944) [[User:Pwendt/People/Edgar Allan Poe]]<br />
#-elsf Polidori, John {{a|19743}} (25) <br />
> Pollack, Frederick > > Posthumous Fantasy.<br />
4.. Pollack, Rachel ,1945<br />
:-elsf Pollock, Walter Herries {{a|6881}} (26) <br />
3.. lw f Poole, Josephine {{a|4942}} (18)<br />
niEN, niQ<br />
q1..el f Pope, Elizabeth Marie {{a|473}} (7) <br />
2- '''Postgate, Oliver''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Postgate EN]<br />
#-elsf Potocki, [Count] Jan {{a|4935}} (23) <br />
:.el f Potter, Beatrix {{a|173620}} (384) <br />
><s> Power, Cecil > pseud Grant Allen</s><br />
6.. Power, Susan Mary ,1961<br />
5- Powers, Tim<br />
:-elsf Powys, John Cowper {{a|132147}} (130) <br />
> Powys, Llewelyn > third brother<br />
:-el f Powys, T F {{a|20010}} (48) <br />
:.el f Praed, Mrs [Rosa Campbell Praed] {{a|132339}} (25) <br />
5.. Prager, Emily ,1952<br />
4.. Prantera, Amanda ,1942<br />
4-elsf Pratchett, Terry {{a|155}} (105) <br />
:-elsf Pratt, Fletcher {{a|532}} (94) <br />
0- Pratt, Theodore<br />
<s> Preedy, George R > pseud Marjorie Bowen</s><br />
5- Preiss, Byron<br />
<s> Prescot, Dray > pseud Kenneth Bulmer</s><br />
:-elsf Price, E Hoffmann {{a|525}} (6)[many] <br />
4- Priest, Christopher<br />
:-elsf Priestley, J B {{a|1261}} (338)<br />
5-elsf Pringle, David {{a|719}} (15)<br />
> Proença, M Cavalcanti > > Brazil<br />
.. Prose, Francine ,1947<br />
4-elsf Pullman, Philip {{a|2692}} (53)<br />
#-el f P'u Sung-Ling [Pu Songling] {{a|126880}} (190) <br />
:-el f Pyle, Howard {{a|6311}} (188)<br />
3- Pynchon, Thomas<br />
> Q ><br />
> Questing, Frank ><br />
:-el f Quiller-Couch, [Sir] Arthur {{a|2088}} (156)<br />
> Quinet, Edgar ><br />
:-elsf Quinn, Seabury {{a|755}} (9)<br />
#-elsf Rabelais, François {{a|20438}} (190) <br />
4- Rabkin, Eric S<br />
> Rachilde ><br />
#.el f Radcliffe, [Mrs] Ann {{a|17155}} (71) <br />
5- Raeper, William<br />
> Ramal, Walter ><br />
> Ramsay, Jay ><br />
:-elsf Ramuz, Charles-Ferdinand {{a|223637}} (163) <br />
> Randolph, Ellen ><br />
4- Rankin, Robert<br />
5- Ransmayr, Christoph<br />
:-elsf Ransome, Arthur {{a|74131}} (87) <br />
5.. Rasmussen, Alis A ,1958<br />
#-elsf Raspe, Rudolf Erich {{a|1980}} (19) <br />
5.. Rawn, Melanie ,1954<br />
> Rayner, Olive Pratt ><br />
2- Rayner, William<br />
:-elsf Read, [Sir] Herbert {{a|37023}} (268) <br />
3- Reamy, Tom<br />
5- Reaves, J Michael<br />
3- Redgrove, Peter<br />
5- Reed, Jeremy<br />
#.el f Reeve, Clara {{a|29851}} (16) <br />
0-el f Reeves, James {{a|82345}} (125)<br />
5- Reeves-Stevens, Garfield<br />
5.. Reeves-Stevens, Judith ,1953<br />
6.. Reichert, Mickey Zucker = Miriam S Zucker Reichert<br />
> Reid, Desmond ><br />
:-el f Reid, Forrest {{a|116057}} (38)<br />
q2..el f Reid Banks, Lynne {{a|n80028565}} (67)<br />
:-el f Remizov, Alexei {{a|208268}} (109) <br />
q0..el f Renault, Mary {{a|1384}} (51)<br />
> Reynolds, Quintus ><br />
4..elsf Rice, Anne {{a|103}} (59),1941 + {{done}}<br />
= Anne Rampling (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/n86121823 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n86-121823<br />
= A. N. Roquelaure (4) https://lccn.loc.gov/n82114065 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n82-114065<br />
> Rice, James ><br />
5- Richard, Mark<br />
> Richards, Sean ><br />
0- Richardson, Maurice<br />
:.el f Riddell, [Mrs] J H {{a|1598}} (38) <br />
4.. Riley, Judith Merkle ,1942<br />
Rivkin, J F --joint pseud. of unknown 20c writers<br />
:-el f Robbins, Tod {{a|19170}} (8)[many] <br />
3- Robbins, Tom<br />
5.. Roberson, Jennifer ,1953<br />
> Robert de Boron ><br />
> Roberts, [Sir] Charles G D > ??<br />
4- Roberts, John Maddox<br />
3- Roberts, Keith<br />
5.. Roessner, Michaela ,1950<br />
?- Rogers, Mark<br />
5- Rogers, Mark E<br />
5- Rohan, Michael Scott<br />
:-elsf Rohmer, Sax {{a|1656}} (144) <br />
> Rolt, L T C ><br />
> Ronson, Mark ><br />
3- Rooke, Leon<br />
5- Rosenberg, Joel<br />
#- '''Rosencreutz, Christian --Rosicrucian founder''' --nidb (13) https://lccn.loc.gov/n50083276 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Rosenkreuz EN]<br />
3- Rosendorfer, Herbert<br />
> Rosny aîné, J H ><br />
> Ross, Clarissa ><br />
> Ross, Dana ><br />
1- Ross, Marilyn, pseud. = William Edward Daniel Ross (one of at least 20 names) ;1912<br />
> Ross, Olin ><br />
:.el f Rossetti, Christina {{a|118364}} (150) <br />
> Rossiter, Jane ><br />
3- Roszak, Theodore<br />
> Rousseau, Jean-Jacques ><br />
5- Rovin, Jeff<br />
4- Rowley, Christopher<br />
1- Ruark, Robert C<br />
1- Rubião, Murilo ;1916<br />
6- Ruff, Matt<br />
6.. Rusch, Kristine Kathryn ,1960<br />
4- Rushdie, Salman<br />
:-el f Ruskin, John {{a|19491}} (604) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Ruskin]]<br />
> Russ, Joanna ><br />
:-elsf Russell, W Clark {{a|132202}} (121)<br />
5- Ryman, Geoff<br />
:-el f Rymer, James Malcolm {{a|20009}} (4)[many] <br />
3- Saberhagen, Fred<br />
><s> Sage, Juniper > </s> = Margaret Wise Brown (first joint with Edith Thacher Hurd)<br />
> Saint-Aubin, Horace de ><br />
:-elsf Saki {{a|1204}} (65) = Hector Hugh Munro<br />
5.. Salmonson, Jessica Amanda ,1950<br />
:-el f Salten, Felix {{a|206101}} (129) <br />
> Saltykov, Mikhail ><br />
5- Salvatore, R A ,1959<br />
q3..elsf Sampson, Fay (10)<br />
4- San Souci, Robert D<br />
1-e s Sarban = John William Wall<br />
5- Sargent, Carl<br />
4- Saunders, Charles R<br />
7.. Savage, Felicity ,1975<br />
q3..Dlsf Saxton, Josephine (5)<br />
niEN<br />
0- Scanziani, Piero<br />
4.. Scarborough, Elizabeth Ann ,1947<br />
> Scavone, Rubens Teixeira ><br />
#- '''Schikaneder, Emanuel --librettist''' --nidb (161) https://lccn.loc.gov/n82227327 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Schikaneder EN] http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=schikaneder_emanuel <br />
3- Schmidt, Dennis A<br />
5- Schweitzer, Darrell<br />
> Scithers, George H ><br />
3- Scliar, Moacyr ,1937<br />
> Scot, Michael ><br />
> Scotland, Jay ><br />
5- Scott, Allan<br />
> Scott, Jeremy ><br />
6.. Scott, Melissa ,1960<br />
5-el f Scott, Michael {{a|931}} (32 +5)<br />
#-el f Scott, [Sir] Walter {{a|2069}} (1189)<br />
2-el f Selden, George {{a|221970}} (24) +1 Terry Andrews = George Selden Thompson<br />
--The Cricket in Times Square genre?<br />
1973 The Genie of Sutton Place [https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/119610863/6D013D931E154403PQ/1?accountid=11311] NYT 1973-05-06 Spring 1973 list<br />
https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/148470239/6D013D931E154403PQ/2?accountid=11311 WP -05-13<br />
https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/170412803/6D013D931E154403PQ/3?accountid=11311 CT -06-17<br />
https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/119862161/pageviewPDF/6D013D931E154403PQ/4?accountid=11311 NYT -06-24 pageview<br />
: no ISBN "Dell, 1974, (c)1973" o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2354825]<br />
: two ISBN (c)1973 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/797094388]<br />
: ISBN 0374425302 [https://www.amazon.com/Genie-Sutton-Place-George-Selden/dp/0374425302 at Amazon] Look inside 6th printing cover art (c)1994, first Sunburst 1984 ; o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/473727550] o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/17835926] 1984 (c)1973 Sunburst ; Fo[http://www.worldcat.org/title/genie-of-sutton-place/oclc/658116/editions?start_edition=11&sd=asc&referer=di&se=yr&editionsView=true&fq=]<br />
<br />
> Sellwood, A V ><br />
2- Sendak, Maurice --illustrator mainly<br />
#- '''Seneca, Lucius Annaeus''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_the_Younger EN: Seneca the Younger]<br />
> Sernine, Daniel ><br />
4.. Service, Pamela F ,1945<br />
> Seth, Vikram ><br />
> Seton, Ernest Thompson ><br />
0- Seuss, Dr = Theodore Seuss Geisel --illustrator mainly<br />
1- Severn, David = David Storr Unwin<br />
4.. Seymour, Miranda<br />
#-elsf Shakespeare, William {{a|22499}} (7967) [[User:Pwendt/People/Shakespeare]]<br />
q0..el f Sharp, Margery {{a|19972}} (78) <br />
:-elsf Shaw, George Bernard {{a|17781}} (867) <br />
4- Shea, Michael<br />
><s> Shearing, Joseph > pseud Marjorie Bowen</s><br />
#.elsf Shelley, Mary {{a|1836}} (289) <br />
#-el f Shelley, Percy Bysshe {{a|2070}} (469) <br />
4- Shelley, Rick<br />
4- Shepard, Lucius<br />
5.. Sherman, Delia ,1951<br />
> Sherman, Frank Dempster ><br />
4.. Sherman, Josepha ,1946<br />
2- Sherrell, Carl<br />
5- Shetterly, Will<br />
:-elsf Shiel, M P {{a|4728}} (32) <br />
5.. Shinn, Sharon ,1957<br />
q1.. lwf Shuler, Linda Lay {{a|4722}} (3)<br />
niEN<br />
4.. Shwartz, Susan M ,1949<br />
> Siegel, Barbara ><br />
5- Siegel, Scott<br />
> Sienkiewicz, Henryk ><br />
?- Silke, James R<br />
3-elsf Silverberg, Robert {{a|54}} (270)<br />
0- Simak, Clifford D<br />
> Šimánek, Josef ><br />
4- Simmons, Dan<br />
1- Simpson, N F ;1919<br />
3- Sinclair, Andrew<br />
> Sinclair, Catherine ><br />
4- Sinclair, Clive<br />
:-elsf Sinclair, Upton {{a|20435}} (520) <br />
0-el f Singer, Isaac Bashevis {{a|1383}} (167) <br />
4.. Singer, Marilyn ,1948<br />
:-el f Sitwell, Sacheverell {{a|167329}} (184) <br />
> Skaldaspillir, Sigfridur ><br />
0- '''Skinner, Martyn''' --nidb; born 1906 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyn_Skinner EN stub]<br />
:- lw f Skipper, Mervyn (6)<br />
niEN, niQ<br />
4-elsf Sleator, William {{a|518}} (24)<br />
q0..el f Sleigh, Barbara {{a|30719}} (18)<br />
> Slowacki, Juliusz ><br />
5- Smeds, Dave = real name of Reed Manning<br />
:-el f Smith, Arthur D Howden {{a|15211}} (27)<br />
:-elsf Smith, Clark Ashton {{a|819}} (36) <br />
5- Smith, David C<br />
:.el f Smith, Dodie {{a|174261}} (69) <br />
6.. Smith, Julie Dean ,1960<br />
> Smith, Junius B ><br />
?- Smith, Nyx ,19xx = N(athan) Y(ale) X(avier) Smith<br />
5.. Smith, Stephanie A ,1959<br />
:-elsf Smith, Thorne {{a|1313}} (44) <br />
5.. Smoodin, Roberta ,1952<br />
5.. Snodgrass, Melinda M ,1951<br />
> Snow, Jack ><br />
> Snowdon, Evan ><br />
5.. Snyder, Midori ,1954<br />
q2..el f Snyder, Zilpha Keatley {{a|2502}} (58)<br />
> Soloviev, Vladimir ><br />
> Somadeva ><br />
5- Somtow, S P ,1952 = Somtow Papinian Sucharitku<br />
> Songweaver, Cerin ><br />
2- Sørensen, Villy ,1929<br />
:- '''Sousa, John Philip --composer''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Philip_Sousa EN]<br />
:-elsf Southesk, the Earl Of {{a|148146}} (5)<br />
https://legionmagazine.com/en/2003/01/beware-the-windigo/ --evidently from 1859/1860 diary of journey in the plains ; also<br />
1862 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/35999287]<br />
1876 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/13392480], 52-page poem -HDL <br />
1976/1899 https://lccn.loc.gov/75046307 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2317572]<br />
#-el f Southey, Robert {{a|114888}} (200) <br />
4- Souto, Marcial ,1947<br />
> Soyka, Otto ><br />
q1..el f Spark, Muriel {{a|16326}} (126)<br />
6..e f Spedding [Alison Louise] {{a|3483}} (20),1962 --no English-lang library records?<br />
:-el f Spence, Lewis {{a|19875}} (86)<br />
4- Spencer, William Browning<br />
#-el f Spenser, Edmund {{a|114708}} (205) <br />
4..el f Springer, Nancy {{a|587}} (57),1948<br />
> Spunda, Franz ><br />
4-elsf Stableford, Brian M {{a|556}} (53)<br />
> Staines, Trevor ><br />
4.. Stanton, Mary ,1947<br />
:-el f Starrett, Vincent {{a|15960}} (81)<br />
4- Stasheff, Christopher<br />
#- '''Statius, Publius Papinius''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statius EN]<br />
> Steele, V M ><br />
> Steiner, K Leslie ><br />
:-el f Stephens, James {{a|13629}} (79)<br />
> Stephens, Reed ><br />
> Sterling, George ><br />
:-el f Sterling, John {{a|2064}} (9) <br />
:.elsf Stevens, Francis {{a|2017}} (4) = Mrs Gertrude (Barrows) Bennett <br />
:-elsf Stevenson, Robert Louis {{a|1964}} (1293) <br />
5.. Stevermer, Caroline ,1955<br />
q1..el f Stewart, Mary {{a|2362}} (59)<br />
6- Stewart, Sean<br />
> Stockbridge, Grant ><br />
:-elsf Stockton, Frank R {{a|1968}} (165)<br />
:-elsf Stoker, Bram {{a|650}} (210)<br />
> Stokes, Manning Lee ><br />
0-el f Stonier, G W {{a|119544}} (12);1903<br />
4- Straub, Peter<br />
:-elsf Stribling, T S {{a|13182}} (32) <br />
4- Strickland, Brad<br />
:-el f Strindberg, August {{a|168921}} (434) <br />
> Strobl, Karl Hans ><br />
2- Strugatsky, Arkady AND(brothers)<br />
2- Strugatsky, Boris (Natanovich)<br />
0- Stuart, Francis<br />
1-elsf Sturgeon, Theodore {{a|56}} (62) <br />
> Suassuna, Ariano ><br />
> Sucharitkul, Somtow ><br />
:-el f Sue, Eugène {{a|4558}} (159) <br />
4- Süskind, Patrick<br />
q2..el f Sutcliff, Rosemary {{a|1532}} (90)<br />
> Švantner, František ><br />
3- Swahn, Sven Christer<br />
2- Swann, Thomas Burnett<br />
5- Swanwick, Michael<br />
#-elsf Swift, Jonathan {{a|303}} (540) <br />
> Swinburne, Algernon > ??<br />
3- Swithin, Antony = William Antony Swithin Sarjeant<br />
1- Symonds, John<br />
:.el f Syrett, Netta {{a|254822}} (37)<br />
+ sister-illustrator :. w .Syrett, Nellie {{a|178887}}<br />
5- Szilagyi, Steve<br />
> Takei, George ><br />
><s> Tallis, Robyn > pseud Debra Doyle</s><br />
4.. Tannen, Mary ,1943<br />
> Tarnmoor, Salvator R ><br />
5.. Tarr, Judith ,1955<br />
6.. Tartt, Donna ,1964<br />
4- Taylor, Keith<br />
3- Taylor, Roger<br />
#- '''Tchulkov, Mikhail''' --nidb --niEN.wiki --"along with the more talented writer Vasily Levshin, created Russian fantasy as a genre"<br />
q3..elsf Tennant, Emma (44)<br />
> Tenneshaw, S M ><br />
> Tennyson, Alfred Lord ><br />
> Teophilo, de Rodolpho ><br />
q2..elsf Tepper, Sheri S (34) = E E Horlak, pseud.<br />
:-el f Thackeray, William Makepeace {{a|119470}} (484)<br />
1- Themerson, Stefan<br />
3- Thomas, D M ,1935<br />
1- Thomas, Dylan ;1914<br />
4- Thomas, Roy<br />
> Thomas, Thomas T ><br />
5- Thompson, Paul B<br />
> Thompson, Ruth Plumly ><br />
> Thornley, Richard ><br />
:-elsf Thurber, James {{a|13001}} (166) <br />
:-el f Thurston, E Temple {{a|82993}} (66) <br />
> Ticheburn, Cheviot ><br />
#-el f Tieck, Johann Ludwig {{a|96093}} (151)<br />
3- Timlett, Peter Valentine<br />
:-elsf Timlin, William M {{a|146305}} (6)<br />
> Titmarsh, M A ><br />
:.el f Todd, Barbara Euphan {{a|108828}} (9) <br />
3- Todorov, Tzvetan<br />
>-el f Tolkien, Christopher {{a|2328}} (49) > J R R TOLKIEN<br />
:-elsf Tolkien, J R R {{a|302}} (230) <br />
3- Tolstoy, Nikolai<br />
> Tomline, F ><br />
> Tompkins, Wentworth ><br />
:.el f Travers, P L {{a|36455}} (65);1899 ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Mary Poppins]]<br />
1-el f Treece, Henry {{a|22756}} (79);1911<br />
4- Tremayne, Peter = Peter Berresford Ellis<br />
> Trevor, Meriol ><br />
2- Tryon, Thomas<br />
:-el f Turgenev, Ivan {{a|19779}} (531) <br />
5.. Tuttle, Lisa ,1952<br />
2- Tutuola, Amos<br />
:-elsf Twain, Mark {{a|160}} (1546) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Twain]]<br />
:-elsf Tweed, Thomas F {{a|171014}} (4)[same] 2 novels only, under 4 titles<br />
> Two Wags ><br />
> Umansky, Kaye > > (1946-? ) US writer. > Children's Fantasy.<br />
:.el f Underhill, Evelyn {{a|158871}} (90)<br />
3- Updike, John<br />
:.el f Uttley, Alison {{a|4471}} (97)<br />
><s> Vace, Geoffrey > > Hugh B Cave</s><br />
?? Van Asten, Gail ,19xx --debut 1988<br />
1-elsf Vance, Jack {{a|}};1916 (101) <br />
5..el f Vande Velde, Vivian {{a|1546}} (41),1951<br />
:-el f Vane, Sutton {{a|279823}} (13) <br />
> van Gulik, Robert > > Oriental Fantasy.<br />
><s>Van Lustbader, Eric ,1946 >Lustbader, Eric Van</s><br />
2-elsf Vansittart, Peter {{a|4462}},1920 (38) <br />
1-elsf van Vogt, A E {{a|58}};1912 (21) <br />
4- Vardeman, Robert E ,1947<br />
1- '''Veiga, José J''' --nidb {{a|}};1915 () http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=veiga_jose_j<br />
><s> Vergil > </s><br />
> Verlaine, Paul > > Decadence<br />
:-elsf Viereck, George {{a|107682}} (59)<br />
:-elsf Villiers de L'Isle-Adam, Comte De {{a|19935}} (58) <br />
:-el f Vines, Sherard {{a|160515}} (17) <br />
4.. Vinge, Joan D ,1948<br />
><s>Vipont, Elfrida > Raymond Briggs.</s> minor co-author<br />
#-el f Virgil {{a|110868}} (995) <br />
:-elsf Visiak, E H {{a|82633}} (13)<br />
:-elsf Vivian, E C {{a|6696}} (20+) --three pseudonyms, not identified at WorldCat<br />
= Charles Cannell no97041031 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no97-041031<br />
= Barry Lynd nb2007017003 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-nb2007-017003<br />
= Jack Mann no95021935 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no95-021935<br />
?.el f Volsky, Paula {{a|2246}},19xx (9) --debut 1982 <br />
> Von Aue, Hartmann > > (?1160-?1215) German chronicler. > Arthur.<br />
#-el . Von Eschenbach, Wolfram > > Arthur; Perceval. 12/13th century {{a|183029}} (86) <br />
#-el . Von Strassburg, Gottfried > > Arthur. 12/13th century {{a|222268}} (45) <br />
0-el f Wagenknecht, Edward {{a|101461}};1900 (86)<br />
4- Wagner, Karl Edward ,1945<br />
:-el f Waite, A E {{a|117721}} (97)<br />
:-el f Wakefield, H Russell {{a|14349}} (15)<br />
:-el f Waley, Arthur {{a|147813}} (106)<br />
5.. Walker, Wendy ,1951<br />
0-el f Wall, Mervyn {{a|1745}};1908 (8)<br />
2-el f Wallop, Douglass {{a|}},1920 (29) <br />
#-el f Walpole, Horace {{a|629}} (192)<br />
q0..el f Walton, Evangeline {{a|1506}} (14)<br />
4.. Wandor, Michelene ,1940<br />
0-elsf Wandrei, Donald {{a|}};1908 (3) <br />
0-el f Wandrei, Howard {{a|1149}};1909 (2)<br />
4- Wangerin, Walter Jr ,1944<br />
><br />
:- '''Ward, Christopher''' --nidb --niEN.wiki<br />
><br />
4.. Warner, Marina ,1946<br />
0-elsf Warner, Rex {{a|169878}};1905 (87) <br />
:.el f Warner, Sylvia Townsend {{a|7092}} (75) <br />
5.. Warrington, Freda ,1956<br />
4- Watson, Ian ,1943<br />
5- Watt-Evans, Lawrence ,1954 = Evans, Lawrence Watt<br />
q3..el f Waugh, Sylvia (8)<br />
6- Weaver, Michael D ,1961<br />
3- Webber, Collin ,1939<br />
> Weber, Henry William > "(1783-1818) UK anthologist. See Anthologies.<br />
4- Weinberg, Robert ,1946<br />
4- Weir, Peter ,1944<br />
4.. Weis, Margaret ,1948<br />
?- Weisman, Jordan K ,????<br />
> Weiss, Jan > "(1892-1972) Czech writer. See Czech Republic; Slovakia.<br />
0- Wellman, Manly Wade {{a|}};1903 ()<br />
4- Wells, Angus ,1943<br />
:-elsf Wells, H G {{a|65}} (760) [[User:Pwendt/People/H. G. Wells]]<br />
><s> Wells, John Jay > </s> joint "See Marion Zimmer Bradley; Juanita Coulson.<br />
6.. Wells, Martha ,1964<br />
><br />
><br />
:.el f West, [Dame] Rebecca {{a|82909}} (97) <br />
2- Westall, Robert ,1929<br />
><br />
:.el f Weston, Jessie L {{a|206062}} (50) <br />
> Wham, Tom > "(1944- ) US author. See Rose Estes.<br />
:.el f Wharton, Edith {{a|19663}} (345) <br />
2- Wharton, William ,1927 = Albert DuAime<br />
:-elsf Wheatley, Dennis {{a|4379}} (119)<br />
5- Whitbourn, John ,1958<br />
><br />
:-el f White, E B {{a|2046}} (97) <br />
0-elsf White, T H {{a|2322}} (83) <br />
:-el f Whitehead, Henry S {{a|1214}} (4)[many] <br />
3- Whittemore, Edward ,1933<br />
:-elsf Wilde, Oscar {{a|1599}} (758) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Wilde]]<br />
><br />
q3..elsf Wilder, Cherry (11)<br />
:-el f Wilder, Thornton {{a|128182}} (216) <br />
><br />
><br />
4- Wilks, Mike ,1947 --illustrator mainly<br />
q3..el f Willard, Nancy {{a|2319}} (75)<br />
6.. Willey, Elizabeth ,1960<br />
:-elsf Williams, Charles {{a|255}} (94) <br />
above Williams, Garth ;1912 --illustrator mainly<br />
><br />
5- Williams, Michael ,1952<br />
><br />
5- Williams, Tad ,1957 = Robert Paul Williams<br />
4- Williamson, Chet ,1948 <br />
0-elsf Williamson, Jack {{a|256}};1908 (69) <br />
3-el f Williamson, J N (Gerald Neal) {{a|1436}},1932 (18) <br />
5- Williamson, Philip G ,1955<br />
4..elsf Willis, Connie {{a|99}},1945 (19)<br />
3- Wilson, Colin {{a|}},1931 ()<br />
3- Wilson, David Henry {{a|}},1937 ()<br />
4- Wilson, F Paul {{a|}},1946 ()<br />
3-elsf Wilson, Gahan {{a|1560}},1930 (55) --cartoonist<br />
><br />
><br />
5.. Windling, Terri ,1958<br />
5.. Winterson, Jeanette ,1959<br />
> Witkiewicz, Stanislaw Ignacy > "(1885-1939) Polish novelist and playwright. See Poland.<br />
:-elsf Wodehouse, [Sir] P G {{a|13508}} (477) <br />
3-elsf Wolfe, Gene {{a|171}},1931 (69)<br />
1-elsf Wollheim, Donald A {{a|826}};1914 (36) <br />
: Wollheim founded the publisher DAW Books Inc. <br />
: edited a number of science fiction anthologies and wrote the Mike Mars series and several other science fiction novels, some under the pseudonym David Grinnell)<br />
= David Grinnell https://lccn.loc.gov/no98116666 (4)<br />
3- Wongar, B ,1932<br />
4.. Wood, Bridget ,1947<br />
2- Wood, Wallace --Comics artist<br />
><br />
> Woodforde, Christopher > "(1907-1962) UK writer. See Ghost Stories for Children; James Gang.<br />
:.elsf Woolf, Virginia {{a|4308}} (320) ; :-el Leonard Woolf {{a|201306}} (104) <br />
q3..el f Woolley, Persia (9) = Janet Lois Higman Woolley<br />
:.elwf Worrell, Kathleen L {{a|263118}} (0) [2] <br />
[https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/534589102/1197313E20C477FPQ/1?accountid=11311] The Sun 1920-04-14 advertisement for April ''Physical Culture'', "Venus had spoken to this frail American girl" (only hit 'Kathleen l. worrell' 1920 1929)<br />
5.. Wrede, Patricia C ,1953<br />
:-elsf Wright, Farnsworth, ed. {{a|1130}} (1) --editor, Weird Tales<br />
q2..el f Wrightson, Patricia {{a|2364}} (26)<br />
5.. Wurts, Janny ,1953<br />
> Wyatt, Horace > "(1876-1954) US writer. See Wonderland.<br />
:-el f Wyke-Smith, E A {{a|3208}} (1)<br />
:.el f Wylie, Elinor {{a|4292}} (43)<br />
> Wylie, Jonathan = joint pseud. h/w Mark and Julia Smith<br />
4..elsf Yarbro, Chelsea Quinn {{a|360}},1942 (79+12)<br />
:-elsf Yeats, William Butler {{a|22704}} (566) <br />
4-elsf Yep, Laurence {{a|708}} (82),1948<br />
q3..elsf Yolen, Jane {{a|250}} (474)<br />
:.el f Young, Ella {{a|783}} (20)<br />
1-elsf Young, Robert F {{a|391}};1915 (6) <br />
q0..el f Yourcenar, Marguerite {{a|211321}} (110)<br />
> Záborský, Jonáš > "(1812-1876) Slovak writer. See Slovakia.<br />
3-elsf Zelazny, Roger {{a|69}},1937 (81) <br />
> Zeyer, Julius > "(1841-1901) Czech writer. See Czech Republic.<br />
4-elsf Zimmer, Paul Edwin {{a|356}},1943 (4)<br />
3-el f Zipes, Jack {{a|10593}},1937 (75)<br />
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#-el f Apuleius {{a|2066}} (178)<br />
#-el f Ariosto, Lodovico {{a|3843}} (200)<br />
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:- 19 Alastair '''--nidb<br />
AuthorUpdate done for all entries annotated in this list, including English Wikipedia ('e') always; Library of Congress ('l') almost always; ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' ('f') all entries and many redirects. For instance compare {{a|Frank E. Schoonover}} ('f') with {{a| J. C. Leyendecker}} and {{a|Norman Rockwell}} (no 'f'), where I judged that the Encyclopedia article "Illustration" adds too little value on Leyendecker and Rockwell. That is, the ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' link for Schoonover constitutes a recommendation.<br />
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l Gruger, F. R. {{a|142872}} (82)<br />
Henninger, A. B. {{a|251516}} https://lccn.loc.gov/no2016131309 (0) https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no2016-131309 --identity uncertain<br />
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:: [[User talk:Biomassbob#Riverside Quarterly, August 1975]]<br />
:: 1893 as by Mrs. Fairstar, illus. Frank M. Gregory [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uva.x000956920?urlappend=%3Bseq=17 at HDL], Preface + 1-110 ~20000 words<br />
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q4- +elsf Achilleos, Chris {{a|56901}} (4) ,1947 .<br />
4- Adams, Neal ,1941 .<br />
q1- +el f Addams, Charles "Chas" {{a|7218}} (28) ,1912 .<br />
:- 19 Alastair = Hans Henning Voigt (1887-1969) '''--nidb<br />
2- Alcala, Alfredo P ,1925 ..<br />
q4- +el f Aldridge, Alan {{a|2285}} (19) ,1943 .<br />
NEED s<br />
q#- +EIl f Arcimboldo, Giuseppe {{a|147500}} (8) --boldi, boldo, boldus ,1526 ..<br />
q0- el f Ardizzone, Edward {{a|34128}} (163) ,1900 .<br />
> Aris, Ernest Alfred ><br />
> '''ART''' > Fantasy Art; Illustration<br />
>q:. +el f Attwell, Mabel Lucy {{a|226763}} (6) > Illustration (6) ,1879 ..<br />
2- Ayrton, Michael ,1921 .<br />
-- -- .. Baynes, Pauline -- not in EoF !<br />
4- Bantock, Nick ,1949 .<br />
q:. +el f Barker, Cicely Mary {{a|139279}} (36) ,1895 .<br />
q0- +el f Barks, Carl {{a|31550}} (22) ,1901 ..<br />
> Barr, George ><br />
3- Barr, Ken ,1933 ..<br />
q:- el f Beardsley, Aubrey {{a|25644}} (119) ,1872 .<br />
> Beck, C C ><br />
>.. Bell, Julie ><br />
Bellamy, Frank '''--nidb<br />
3- Bermejo, Luis ,1931 .<br />
6- Bisley, Simon ,1962 ..<br />
q:- +el f Blampied, Edmund {{a|233191}} (6) ,1886 ..<br />
5- Bolton, John ,1951 ..<br />
q#- ENlf Bosch, Hieronymus {{a|26314}} (100) ,1450 ..<br />
Breccia, Alberto '''--nidb<br />
q3- +elsf Briggs, Raymond {{a|117601}} (72) ,1934 .<br />
> Briggs, Stephen ><br />
:- el f Brock, C E {{a|37686}} (60) ,1870 ..<br />
:- el f Brock, H M {{a|62371}} (23) ,1875 ..<br />
>q:- +el f [W. H.] Brooke, William Henry {{a|258457}} (3) > Illustration -- illus. Croker 1825<br />
q#- el f Bruegel, Pieter {{a|121308}} (142) ,1525 ..<br />
q:- +el f Bull, René {{a|180200}} (7) ,1872 ..<br />
q:- el f Burne-Jones, [Sir] Edward {{a|26365}} (60) ,1833 .<br />
4- Burns, Jim ,1948 ..<br />
Burns, John M '''--nidb<br />
> "Byron" ><br />
q:- el f Caldecott, Randolph {{a|134537}} (85) ,1846 ..<br />
5- Campbell, Eddie ,1955 .<br />
2- Cawthorn, James ,1929 .<br />
5- Chaykin, Howard ,1950 ..<br />
q:- elsf Chesterton, G K {{a|2044}} (520) -- chiefly as writer ,1874<br />
:- 19 Čiurlionis, Mykalojus Konstantinas () '''--nidb<br />
q:- +el f Clarke, Harry {{a|121981}} (10) ,1889 ..<br />
q:- +el f Coll, Joseph Clement {{a|114370}} (9) ,1881 ..<br />
4- Corben, Richard ,1940 .<br />
q1- elsf Crandall, Reed {{a|122264}} (24) ,1917 .. <br />
q:- el f Crane, Walter {{a|117080}} (152) ,1845 ..<br />
3- Crepax, Guido ,1933 ..<br />
q#- el f Cruikshank, George {{a|116830}} (632) [http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/6843 Oxford DNB] born -09-27 ,1792 .<br />
q:- +el f Dadd, Richard {{a|116450}} (2) ,1817 ..<br />
q0- el f Dalí, Salvador {{a|24855}} (293) ,1904 .<br />
4- Dean, Roger ,1944 ..<br />
q:- +el f de Bosschère, Jean {{a|153904}} (34) ,1878 <br />
Delano, Jamie '''--nidb except one interview (uncertain identity noted {{a|146025}})<br />
q:- +EFlf de Neuville, Alphonse Marie {{a|174616}} (12) ,1836 ..<br />
>#-16 Dietterlin, Wendel {{a|108464}} (7) > Edifice ; Piranesi https://lccn.loc.gov/n87805561 ,1550 ..<br />
q4- +elsf Di Fate, Vincent {{a|1803}} (7) ,1945<br />
>:-19 Dirks, Rudolph > Comics -- Katzenjammer Kids '''--nidb<br />
Disney, Walt '''--nidb<br />
2- Ditko, Steve ,1927 ..<br />
q:- EFlf Doré, Gustave {{a|26414}} (305) ,1832 ..<br />
q:- el f Doyle, Richard {{a|157832}} (57) ,1824 .<br />
> Druillet, Philippe ><br />
q:- EFlf Dulac, Edmund {{a|105321}} (63) ,1882 .<br />
>q#- el f Dürer, Albrecht >> [Illustration] {{a|77865}} (485) ,1471 ..<br />
q4- elsf Edwards, Les {{a|25101}} (3) ,1949 ..<br />
> Eggleton, Bob ><br />
q1- el f Eisner, Will {{a|37770}} (98) ,1917 .. <br />
> Eleuteri-Serpieri, Paolo ><br />
3- Embleton, Ron ,1930 .<br />
Emett, Rowland '''--nidb<br />
q:- el f Ernst, Max {{a|25280}} (195) ,1891 ..<br />
q:- elsf Escher, M C {{a|25296}} (46) ,1898 ..<br />
> Fabian, Stephen ><br />
'''FANTASY ART''' [JG/RT] by Jon Gustafson and Ron Tiner<br />
q:- l f Fell, H Granville {{a|168215}} (10) ,1872 ..<br />
4- Fernandez, Fernando ,1940 ..<br />
> Finger, Bill (22) > [Batman co-creator] '''--nidb<br />
q1- +elsf Finlay, Virgil {{a|1084}} (3) ,1914 .<br />
6- Firchow, Steve ,1966 ..<br />
Q >:- +elw Fitzgerald, John Anster {{a|59091}} (0?) > Illustration ,1819 ..<br />
4- Fitzpatrick, Jim ,1948 .<br />
q:- +el f Flint, [Sir] W Russell {{a|132835}} (3) ,1880 ..<br />
5- Flynn, Danny ,1958 ..<br />
q:- el f Ford, H J {{a|120009}} (38) ,1860 ..<br />
q3- +el f Foreman, Michael {{a|8283}} (159) ,1938 .<br />
q:- el f Foster, Harold R [Hal] {{a|113098}} (9) -- comic strip Tarzan, Prince Valiant ,1892 ..<br />
19 Fraser, Claud Lovat '''--nidb<br />
q0- +el f Fraser, Eric George {{a|114951}} (4) ,1902 ..<br />
q2- +elsf Frazetta, Frank {{a|1825}} (19) ,1928 ..<br />
Q 2- +elsf Freas, Kelly {{a|488}} (17) ,1922 ..<br />
> "Fritz" ><br />
>q:- el f Frost, Arthur Burdette [Burdett] >> [Illustration] {{a|112538}} (229) ,1851 ..<br />
q4- el f Froud, Brian {{a|4048}} (37) ,1947 .<br />
q:- el f Furniss, Harry {{a|113861}} (41) ,1854 ..<br />
q#- el f Fuseli, Henry {{a|26228}} (53) ,1741 ..<br />
> Gerber, Steve ><br />
q4- +EDlsf Giger, H R {{a|21090}} (20) ,1940 ..<br />
>18 Gillray, James > Comics '''--nidb<br />
Giolitti, Alberto '''--nidb<br />
> Giraud, Jean > see Moebius<br />
Q :- +elsf Goble, Warwick {{a|26164}} (12) ,1862 ..<br />
Q :- elsf Goldberg, Rube [R.L.] {{a|238431}} (58) ,1883 ..<br />
> "Gore" ><br />
q2- elsf Gorey, Edward {{a|1880}} (194) ,1925 .<br />
<u>Goscinny and Uderzo</u><br />
= René Goscinny ,1926 (one work as writer)<br />
= Albert Uderzo ,1927 (one work as writer/illustrator)<br />
Q :- +elsf Gould, F Carruthers {{a|228371}} (14) poor canonical name? --cartoonist ,1844 .<br />
q:- +EFlsf Grandville, Isidore {{a|152270}} (96) ,1803 = Jean-Ignace Isidore Gérard Grandville .<br />
q:.. el f Greenaway, Kate {{a|173272}} (84) ,1846 ..<br />
q:- + l f Griset, Ernest {{a|107748}} (17) https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n90-626969 ,1844 ..<br />
Q #- +EDl f Grünewald, Matthias {{a|176663}} (45) ,1470 ..<br />
5- Gurney, James ,1958 .<br />
>.. Harris, Mabel Rollins ><br />
q:- el f Herriman, George {{a|24479}} (57) -- comic strip Krazy Kat ,1880 ..<br />
4- Hescox, Richard ,1949 ..<br />
> Higgins, Graham ><br />
<u>Hildebrandt Brothers</u><br />
Q 3- elsf Greg {{a|8024}} (55) ,1939 .<br />
Q 3- elsf Tim {{a|25736}} (36) ,1939 .<br />
q1- el f Hogarth, Burne {{a|121762}} (31) -- comic strip Tarzan ,1911 ..<br />
'''ILLUSTRATION''' [RT] by Ron Tiner<br />
> Infantino, Carmine ><br />
.q1- elsf Ingels, Graham {{a|27729}} (15) ,1915 .. <br />
-- Ipcar, Dahlov --inserted 2017-08-16 <br />
--indb chiefly as writer (below), probably known chiefly as picture book illustrator<br />
q2- +el f Jacques, Robin {{a|26271}} (53) ,1920 ..<br />
Jones, Chuck --indb no data ..<br />
4- Jones, Jeffrey ,1944 .<br />
5- Jones, Peter Andrew ,1951 ..<br />
4- Kaluta, Michael William ,1947 ..<br />
q1- +elsf Kane, Bob {{a|8501}} (204) ,1915 .<br />
Q :- +elsf Kauffer, Edward McKnight {{a|116597}} (33) ,1890 ..<br />
q2- el f Keeping, Charles {{a|78341}} (70) ,1924 ..<br />
4- Kelly, Ken ,1946 ..<br />
Q 1- el f Kelly, Walt {{a|40301}} (185) -- comic strip Pogo ,1913 ..<br />
>:-19 King, Frank > Comics '''--nidb<br />
2- Kirby, Josh ,1928 .<br />
Q 1- elsf Krenkel, Roy G {{a|901}} (7) ,1918 .. <br />
>q:- +DEl f Kubin, Alfred {{a|122909}} (110) > Austria; Germany ,1877<br />
Q 4- el f Lee, Alan {{a|3392}} (22) ,1947 .<br />
q:- +el f Leech, John {{a|152008}} (84) ,1817 ..<br />
q:- +elsf Lewis, Wyndham {{a|49201}} (139) ,1882 <br />
>q:- +el Leyendecker, J C {{a|223992}} (34) > "(1874-1951) US artist. See Illustration." ..<br />
q:- +el f Lindsay, Norman {{a|30344}} (65) -- chiefly as writer ,1879 <br />
> Lleida, Rosa ><br />
Q :- elsf Lofting, Hugh {{a|5360}} (89) -- chiefly as writer ,1886 <br />
3- McBride, Angus ,1931 ..<br />
Q 6- +elsf McKean, Dave {{a|2471}} (48) ,1963 .<br />
q:- el f Magritte, René {{a|4858}} (110) ,1898 ..<br />
Q 5- +elsf Maitz, Don {{a|421}} (4) ,1953 ..<br />
4- Manara, Milo ,1945 .<br />
4- Maroto, Esteban ,1942 ..<br />
Q #- +elsf Martin, John b. 1789 {{a|118729}} (12) ,1789 ..<br />
4- Matthews, Rodney ,1945 (also one chapbook) ..<br />
5- Mattingly, David B ,1956 ..<br />
>:19 Maxon, Rex > Comics; Tarzan '''--nidb<br />
6- Mignola, Michael J ,1960 .<br />
q:- +el f Millais, [Sir] John Everett {{a|131549}} (34) ,1829 ..<br />
Q :- el f Millar, H R {{a|37676}} (18) .1869 ..<br />
5- Miller, Frank ,1957 ..<br />
4- Miller, Ian ,1946 ..<br />
Mills, Patrick '''--nidb<br />
> Minton, John ><br />
Q 3- +EFlsf Moebius {{a|26595}} (37) = Jean Giraud ,1938 ..<br />
> Morrill, Rowena ><br />
q6- el f Morrison, Grant {{a|3231}} (165) -- indb as writer ,1960<br />
q:- el f Morrow, George {{a|14108}} (18) 1869 ..<br />
>.. Mozert, Zoe ><br />
q#- +el f Mulready, William {{a|190796}} (6) > Illustration ,1786 .<br />
:- --''Butterfly's Ball'' by William Roscoe[nidb] 1807 https://lccn.loc.gov/73165023<br />
; cf Alan Aldridge {{a|2285}} 1973 edition nidb<br />
; EN.wiki ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Butterfly%27s_Ball,_and_the_Grasshopper%27s_Feast Butterfly's Ball]''<br />
4- Niño, Alex ,1940 ..<br />
:- 19 Odle, Alan '''--nidb<br />
Q 4.. el f Olivia [De Bernardinis] {{a|37135}} ,1948 ..<br />
Q >:.. +el f [O'Neill] O'Niell, Rose Cecil {{a|196799}} (50) > Illustration --indb as writer only ,1874<br />
SFE spelling<br />
3- Ortiz, José = Jose Ortiz Moya, Spanish comics artist ,1932 '''--nidb<br />
5- Otomo, Katsuhiro ,1954 .<br />
>:19 Outcoult, R F > Comics '''--nidb<br />
q:- +el f Papé, Frank C {{a|26984}} (24) --signed Frank C Pape and PAPE respectively https://lccn.loc.gov/n79067911 (notes, draft at [[User:Pwendt/temp]]) ,1878 ..<br />
q:- el f Parrish, Maxfield {{a|21111}} (70) ,1870 ..<br />
>q:- +el f Paton, [Sir] Joseph Noel {{a|215156}} (11) > Illustration ,1821 ..<br />
Q 1- +elsf Peake, Mervyn {{a|2318}} (80) ,1911 .<br />
4- Pennington, Bruce ,1944 ..<br />
Q 3- +el f Pieńkowski, Jan {{a|33465}} (88) -- as Pienkowski ,1936 .<br />
5- Pini, Richard --almost exclusively as writer ,1950 .<br />
5.. Pini, Wendy ,1951 .<br />
> Piper, John ><br />
Q #- +elsf Piranesi, Giovanni Battista {{a|196589}} (113) ,1720 ..<br />
4- Ploog, Mike 1942 ..<br />
Q :- +el f Pogány, Willy {{a|163273}} (68) -- as Pogany ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Pogany]] ,1882 .<br />
> Pratt, Hugo ><br />
q:- el f Pyle, Howard {{a|6311}} (188) ,1853 .<br />
q:- el f Rackham, Arthur {{a|34363}} (140) ,1867 ..<br />
Q 0- +elsf Raymond, Alex {{a|29918}} (43) -- Flash Gordon ,1909 .<br />
q:- elsf Robinson, Charles {{a|88489}} (many) -- "referred to in the entry for W. Heath Robinson" ,1870 ..<br />
Q :- elsf Robinson, W Heath {{a|81073}} (65) ,1872 .<br />
>q:- +el Rockwell, Norman {{a|115640}} (127) > ,1894 ..<br />
Q >:-19 Ross, Charles Henry () > Comics -- The Yellow Kid '''--nidb<br />
q:- el f Rossetti, Dante Gabriel {{a|22705}} (183) ,1828 .<br />
q:- el f Rountree, Harry {{a|129171}} (7) ,1878 ..<br />
4.. Rowena ,1944 .<br />
q#- 18 Rowlandson, Thomas () > Comics '''--nidb<br />
> Rubimor ><br />
>:-19 St John, John Allen > Tarzan '''--nidb<br />
> Sale, Tim ><br />
4- Sanjulian, Manuel Perez ,1941 ..<br />
Scarfe, Gerald '''--nidb<br />
>q:- +el f Schoonover, Frank {{a|109163}} (34) > Illustration ,1877 ..<br />
2- Searle, Ronald ,1920 .<br />
4- Segrelles, Vi[n]cente ,1940 ..<br />
2- el f Sendak, Maurice {{a|7838}} (183) ,1928 .<br />
Q 0- el f Seuss, Dr {{a|194995}} (190)+30+9+1 ,1904 .<br />
q:- el f Shepard, E H {{a|109448}} (192) ,1879 ..<br />
5- Sienkiewicz, Bill ,1958 ..<br />
> Sim, Dave ><br />
Q :- el f Sime, S H [Sidney] {{a|25339}} (10) ,1867 ..<br />
>:-19 Simmons, John {{a|157831}} dnf LC WorldCat () > Illustration http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=simmons_john ; d. 1876-11 ,1823 ..<br />
> Smith, Barry > = Windsor-Smith<br />
3- Steadman, Ralph .1936 ..<br />
>19 Stevens, Laurence > Finlay[dnf]<br />
4- Stout, William ,1949 .<br />
'''SURREALISM''' [GKW] by Gary K Wolfe<br />
Q 3- +elsf Sweet, Darrell K {{a|1353}} (4) ,1934 ..<br />
> <s>Syme, Sidney Herbert > Illustration</s> --duplicates Sime<br />
5- Szilagyi, Steve ,1952 --indb only as novel ''Photographing Fairies''<br />
q:- +el f Tenniel, [Sir] John {{a|8424}} (171) ,1820 ..<br />
q:- +el f Thackeray, William Makepeace {{a|119470}} (484) -- chiefly as writer ,1811<br />
3- Thorne, Frank (3) ,1930 .<br />
4- Tiner, Ron = realname Tickner (author of "Fantasy Art", "Illustration") ,1940 .<br />
>.. Tourtel, Mary > Comics<br />
Q 4- +ESlsf Vallejo, Boris {{a|1810}} (28) ,1941 ..<br />
>q:- el f Verbeek, Gustave [G.] {{a|185229}} (4) > Comics ,1867 ..<br />
--''Harper's'' debut likely v103 (missing at HDL); found in v104 Contents as Gustave Verbeek<br />
5- Vess, Charles ,1951 .<br />
>:-19 Wain, Louis > Illustration '''--nidb<br />
q0- +el f Wandrei, Howard {{a|1149}} (2) --chiefly as writer ,1909 <br />
>:-19 Wenzell, Albert Beck > Illustration '''--nidb<br />
Q 5- +elsf Whelan, Michael {{a|1804}} (17) ,1950 ..<br />
> White, Mel ><br />
5- White, Tim ,1952 .<br />
>q:- +DEl Wiese, Kurt {{a|122379}} (337) > Walter R Brooks ,1887 ..<br />
q1- +el f Williams, Garth {{a|7320}} (139) ,1912 .<br />
Q 6- el f Williams, Kent {{a|23090}} ,1962 ..<br />
q3- Williamson, Al ,1931 .<br />
below Wilson, Gahan --chiefly as writer ,1930 .<br />
4- Windsor-Smith, Barry ,1949 ..<br />
2- Wood, Wallace ,1927 ..<br />
4- Woodroffe, Patrick ,1940 .<br />
4- Wrightson, Bernie ,1948 .<br />
q:- el f Wyeth, N C {{a|27249}} (127) ,1882 ..<br />
{{a|}} ()<br />
<br />
; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM]] (Dulac)<br />
<br />
== Author ==<br />
5.ew April Derleth {{a|24131}} --niLC niVIAF [1],1954 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/1237415] <br />
<br />
;return to this project July 2019<br />
;return again February 2023<br />
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.J. S. Goodall {{a|201678}} https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n79-055243<br />
.David Walsh, illus. --nidb --niLC https://www.worldcat.org/identities/viaf-283896982/<br />
<br />
:-els Sir (Saint) Thomas More {{a|1150}} (186)<br />
:-els John Oxenham (pseud.) {{a|119447}} (73)) = William Arthur Dunkerley<br />
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<br />
''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/fe/category/author Author entries: 1781] (1343 full; 438 cross-reference)<br />
: 59 pre-1800 all done 2017-12-03 (includes Grimm duo and a few redirects) but there must be others whom i don't recognize, yet to be tagged<br />
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2017-11-28 with User space cross-references to [[User:Pwendt/People]] (and subpages), [[User:Pwendt/Series]], [[User:Pwendt/FFM]]<br />
<br />
<u>Not in SFE-Fantasy</u><br />
4..el.. Karen Wynn Fonstad {{a|5941}} (7)<br />
#.el.. Mary Lamb {{a|190794}} (112) --co-author w husband Charles Lamb, below<br />
3-els. Peter Nicholls {{a|7937}} (10) --SFE co-author w John Clute <br />
4-eLLLs. Robert Reginald {{a|1103}} (46) + Michael Burgess (28) + Boden Clarke (24) <br />
= Lucas Webb (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/n86030922 ''The attempted assassination of John F. Kennedy : a political fantasy'' --one-time pseud.<br />
= C. Everett Cooper (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/n86030923 ''Up your asteroid! : A science fiction farce'' --one-time pseud.<br />
:-els. J. Jefferson Farjeon {{a|146846}} (47) <br />
1.. lw.. Joan Jefferson Farjeon {{a|78349}} (1) <br />
:-ECLLs. Josef Čapek, older brother {{a|228375}} (70) <br />
+ 6 collabs as Brothers Capek https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n88-092947<br />
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3- Aamodt, Donald<br />
4..elsf Abbey, Lynn {{a|115}} (33)<br />
:-el f Abdullah, Achmed {{a|1689}} (45) <br />
q2-EJlsf Abé, Kobo (108)<br />
:- '''À Beckett, Arthur William (1844), a younger son''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_William_%C3%A0_Beckett EN (family point of entry)]<br />
:- '''À Beckett, Gilbert Abbott (1811), father''' --nidb<br />
:- '''À Beckett, Gilbert Arthur (1837), eldest son''' --nidb<br />
6- ab Hugh, Dafydd<br />
4- Ackroyd, Peter<br />
4- Adair, Gilbert<br />
> <br />
2- Adams, Richard<br />
3- Adams, Robert<br />
:-elsf Adeler, Max {{a|1690}} (21) = LC: Charles Heber Clark<br />
4- Adkins, Patrick H<br />
:-eLsf A.E. or Æ {{a|127}} (43) +George William Russell (30) = George William Russell<br />
4.. l e Agins, Phyllis Carol {{a|4709}} (2)[same 2]<br />
1- Aickman, Robert<br />
:-el f Aiken, Conrad {{a|1202}} (133)<br />
q2..elsf Aiken, Joan {{a|582}} (140) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#The Wolves]]<br />
> lws Aiken, John > (son, brother) --indb<br />
:-e Ainsworth, William Harrison<br />
> Ajvaz, Michal > "(1949- ) Czech writer. See Czech Republic.<br />
><br />
><br />
:-EJl f Akutagawa, Ryunosuke {{a|112179}} (129) <br />
:-ew f Alan, A J {{a|78929}} --niLC [12] = Leslie Harrison Lambert<br />
:-ESlsf Alarcón, Pedro A de {{a|2060}} (186)<br />
2- Aldiss, Brian W<br />
2-el f Alexander, Lloyd {{a|691}} (78) [[User:Pwendt/People/Lloyd Alexander]]<br />
2- Alexander, Marc<br />
:- lsf Allen, F M, pseud. {{a|162102}} (11) = Edmund Downey<br />
:-elsf Allen, Grant {{a|1699}} (102) +0+0+0 <br />
4.. Allende, Isabel<br />
:-el Allingham, William (poems only indb) {{a|118550}} > "(1824-1889) UK writer. See Richard Doyle; Andrew Lang.<br />
:. w f Allonby, Edith {{a|122926}} --niLC [4] <br />
''The Fulfilment'' (1905) 2011 Kindle ed., ASIN: B005HQ4Y86 [https://www.amazon.com/Fulfilment-Edith-Allonby-ebook/dp/B005HQ4Y86 at Amazon]<br />
> Alvarenga, Lucas José D' > "(1768-1831) Brazilian writer. See Brazil.<br />
> Amadís de Gaula --work by Montalvo among others <br />
+ #-el f Montalvo, Garcí Rodríguez de {{a|169779}} (16)<br />
1- Amado, Jorge<br />
:-el f Amery, L S {{a|222063}} (41) <br />
q1..elsf Ames, Mildred {{a|3187}} (13)<br />
2- Amis, Kingsley<br />
4- Amis, Martin<br />
:-el f Andersen, Hans Christian {{a|19348}} (1687)<br />
> Anderson, Dana > "(1952- ) US writer. See Charles de Lint.<br />
> Anderson, Karen > "(1932-2018) US author and editor. See Poul Anderson.<br />
q3.. l f Anderson, Margaret J {{a|6186}} (30)<br />
niEN http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n80022988<br />
2- Anderson, Poul<br />
:- lwsf Andom, R {{a|162349}} (1)[many] = Alfred Walter Barrett<br />
> Andrade, Mário de > "(1893-1945) Brazilian writer. See Brazil.<br />
>#- '''Andreae, Johann''' > "(1586-1654) German mystic, author of The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz (1616) and Christianopolis (1619). See Alchemy; Rosicrucianism.<br />
1- Andrews, Allen<br />
q2..el f Andrews, Virginia C [V. C.] (134)<br />
:-ERlsf Andreyev, Leonid {{a|237592}} (151) <br />
> Anmar, Frank > "See Charles Beaumont; William F Nolan.<br />
:-elsf Anstey, F {{a|1697}} (63)<br />
3- Anthony, Piers<br />
5- Antrim, Donald<br />
><br />
#-el f Apel, Johann August {{a|210857}} (15) <br />
:-el f Apollinaire, Guillaume {{a|2228}} (237)<br />
#-el f Apuleius {{a|2066}} (178)<br />
> Arbes, Jakub > "(1840-1914) Czech writer. See Czech Republic.<br />
4- Arenas, Reinaldo<br />
#-el f Ariosto, Lodovico {{a|3843}} (200)<br />
#-el f Aristophanes {{a|254732}} (454) <br />
:-elsf Arlen, Michael {{a|112213}} (44)<br />
:-elsf Armstrong, Anthony {{a|15187}} (53) <br />
><br />
:-el f Armstrong, Martin {{a|14031}} (62) <br />
><br />
4.. Arnason, Eleanor <br />
> Arnim, Achim von > "(1781-1831) German folklorist. See Folklore.<br />
:-el f Arnold, [Sir] Edwin {{a|122246}} (107)<br />
:-elsf Arnold, Edwin Lester {{a|738}} (13)<br />
> Arnold, Mark Alan > "(1951-? ) US editor. See Midori Snyder; Terri Windling.<br />
?- Arscott, David --publications from 1984<br />
!q0-el f Arthur, Robert (125) = Alfred Hitchcock ghost wr/ed<br />
q0..el f Arthur, Ruth M {{a|221801}} (17) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Ruth M. Arthur]]<br />
><br />
> Artmann, H C > "(1921-2000) Austrian writer. See Austria.<br />
5.. Ash, Constance<br />
4-elsf Ashley, Mike {{a|1367}} (83) --Encyclopedia contributor<br />
?- Ashton, Charles --publications from 1991<br />
2- Asimov, Isaac<br />
4- Asprin, Robert Lynn<br />
:.el f Asquith, [Lady] Cynthia {{a|14887}} (47);1887 ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Asquith]]<br />
q:-ESl f Asturias, Miguel (154)<br />
:- w f Atkey, Bertram {{a|20306}} --niLC [several WorldCat]<br />
5- Attanasio, A A <br />
5- Attebery, Brian<br />
3? Auel, Jean M --(Jean Marie) The Clan of the Cave Bear<br />
#.el f Aulnoy, Madame D' {{a|110753}} (71) <br />
#-el f Austin, William {{a|114964}} (9)<br />
3-el f Avi {{a|6305}} (99)<br />
> Awlinson, Richard > "See Scott Ciencin; James Lowder.<br />
q0-EFlsf Aymé, Marcel (125)<br />
2- Ayrton, Michael<br />
>: Azevedo, Alvares de > "(1831-1852) Brazilian writer. See Brazil.<br />
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6.. Babbitt, Lucy Cullyford ,1960<br />
q3..el f Babbitt, Natalie {{a|3435}} (36)<br />
Bach, Richard<br />
1.. lwf Bacon, Martha {{a|162093}} (10) = Martha Oliver-Smith<br />
niEN, niQ <br />
> Bailey, Hilary ><br />
5- Bailey, Robin Wayne<br />
:-el f Bain, F W {{a|95517}} (48)<br />
1- Baker, Denys Val<br />
q0-elsf Baker, Frank (3)<br />
:- lwf Baker, George A {{a|95873}} (12)<br />
:- lwf Baker, G P {{a|221915}} (16) <br />
3- Baker, Michael<br />
4- Baker, Scott<br />
5- Baliol, Alexander<br />
4.. Ball, Margaret ,1947<br />
3- Ballard, J G<br />
#-elsf Balzac, Honoré de {{a|1596}} (785) <br />
> Banat, D R > Ray Bradbury<br />
:-elsf Bangs, John Kendrick {{a|4945}} (104) [[User:Pwendt/People/John Kendrick Bangs]]<br />
><s> Banks, Lynne Reid > </s><br />
4- Banville, John<br />
> Barclay, Bill ><br />
#-el f Barham, Richard Harris {{a|18315}} (24) (LC: Ingoldsby, Thomas, 1788-1845)<br />
:-elsf Baring, Maurice {{a|15654}} (116)<br />
:-el f Baring-Gould, S {{a|34421}} (171)<br />
5- Barker, Clive<br />
q0-el f Barks, Carl (39)<br />
> Barnes, Arthur K ><br />
> Barnett, H C ><br />
> Barnett, Lisa A ><br />
> Barnett, Paul ><br />
:-elsf Barr, Robert {{a|15670}} (2) = (pseud.) Luke Sharp<br />
> Barrett, Wilson ><br />
:-el f Barrie, [Sir] J M {{a|1967}} (392) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Barrie . Peter]]<br />
:-el f Barringer, Leslie {{a|2997}} (14)<br />
> Barrington, E ><br />
> Barrington, Michael ><br />
3- Barth, John<br />
3- Barthelme, Donald<br />
:-el f Baudelaire, Charles {{a|120635}} (433) <br />
5.. Baudino, Gael ,1955<br />
4- Bauer, Steven<br />
:-elsf Baum, L Frank {{a|162}} (391) --EN "no more links" ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Baum . Mo Yew]]<br />
3-elsf Beagle, Peter S {{a|1039}} (26)<br />
> Bean, Norman ><br />
5- Bear, Greg<br />
:-el f Beardsley, Aubrey {{a|25644}} (119) <br />
:. lwf Beauclerk, Helen {{a|132242}} (11) --wife of (EN.wiki) or lived with Edmund Dulac 1923--1953 (his death)<br />
2- Beaumont, Charles = later legalized name of Charles Leroy Nutt (1929-1967)<br />
> Beaumont, E T ><br />
><s> Beaumont, Marie Leprince de > </s><br />
:.el f Beck, L Adams {{a|4480}} (40) +7 Barrington +3 Moresby = Elizabeth Louisa Moresby<br />
q0-el f Beckett, Samuel (297)<br />
#-el f Beckford, William {{a|630}} (72)<br />
> Bécquer, Gustavo Adolfo ><br />
:-elsf Bedford-Jones, H {{a|2012}} (27)<br />
:-elsf Beerbohm, Max {{a|20194}} (146)<br />
:-elsf Begbie, Harold {{a|120103}} (89)<br />
:-el f Belasco, David {{a|132289}} (153)<br />
5.. Bell, Clare .1952<br />
6- Bell, Douglas<br />
:-elsf Bell, Neil {{a|94681}} (60) = Stephen Southwold<br />
3-el f Bellairs, John {{a|1495}} (42)<br />
5.. Belle, Pamela ,1952<br />
2- Bemmann, Hans<br />
:-elsf Benét, Stephen Vincent {{a|762}} (169)<br />
:-elsf Benét, William Rose {{a|25042}} (65)<br />
> Bennett, Anna Elizabeth ><br />
:-elsf Bennett, Arnold {{a|2461}} (336)<br />
> Bennett, John ><br />
:-elsf Benson, A C {{a|1665}} (113) = "B"<br />
:-elsf Benson, E F {{a|1666}} (188)<br />
:-elsf Benson, Robert Hugh {{a|1957}} (63)<br />
:.elsf Benson, Stella {{a|20397}} (32)<br />
5.. Berberick, Nancy Varian ,1951<br />
:.el f Beresford, Elisabeth {{a|93973}} (20)<br />
2- Berger, Thomas<br />
> Bernanos, Georges ><br />
2- Bernanos, Michel<br />
1- Bertram, Noel = Joseph Noel Thomas Boston<br />
:-elsf Besant, Sir Walter {{a|2037}} (218)<br />
6-elsf Betancourt, John Gregory {{a|183}} (23)<br />
3- Bethancourt, T Ernesto = Tomàs Ernesto Bethancourt Passailaigue<br />
> Bibiana, Jean Galli de ><br />
:-elsf Bierce, Ambrose {{a|1960}} (143)<br />
1- Bioy Casares, Adolfo<br />
q0-el f Birkin, Charles (0) = real name of Charles Lloyd<br />
4- Bishop, Michael<br />
4- Bisson, Terry<br />
2- Bixby, Jerome<br />
> Black, Robert ><br />
> Blacklin, Malcolm ><br />
:-elsf Blackwood, Algernon {{a|1126}} (76)<br />
> Blade, Alexander ><br />
#-el f Blake, William {{a|2071}} (570) <br />
1- Blamires, Harry<br />
2- Blatty, William Peter<br />
:.el f Blavatsky, [Madame] H P {{a|19737}} (118) <br />
5- Blaylock, James P<br />
:-elsf Blayre, Christopher (pseud.) {{a|118327}} (47) = Edward Heron-Allen<br />
2-elsf Bleiler, E F {{a|307}} (33) <br />
5-els Bleiler, Richard > [son] {{a|21219}} (12) <br />
2- Blish, James<br />
> Blishen, Edward ><br />
><s> Blixen, Karen > </s><br />
1- Bloch, Robert<br />
6.. Block, Francesca Lia ,1962<br />
> Bloggsleigh, Aubrey Tyndall ><br />
3- Bloom, Harold<br />
> Blyth, James ><br />
> Blyton, Enid ><br />
#-el f Boccaccio, Giovanni {{a|127910}} (464) <br />
5.. Bohnhoff, Maya Kaathryn ,1954<br />
#- '''Boiardo, Matteo Mario, Count of Scandiano''' > --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matteo_Maria_Boiardo EN]<br />
1- Bok, Hannes = Wayne Woodard<br />
> Bond, Michael ><br />
4.. Bond, Nancy ,1945<br />
q0-elsf Bond, Nelson S (13)<br />
> Bonfiglioli, Kyril ><br />
3- Bontly, Thomas<br />
:-elsf Boothby, Guy {{a|20823}} (35)<br />
:-elsf Borges, Jorge Luis {{a|1125}} (460) <br />
> Boron, Robert de ><br />
:.el f Boston, Lucy M {{a|6495}} (40) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#L. M. Boston]]<br />
> Boston, Noel ><br />
> Botto, Ján ><br />
1- Boucher, Anthony = William Anthony Parker White<br />
:.eLLLf Bowen, Marjorie {{a|12578}} (107) +15 Preedy +14 Shearing <br />
= Robert Paye[--niLC]<br />
= George Preedy <br />
= Joseph Shearing <br />
= John Winch https://lccn.loc.gov/no97058533 (0)<br />
5- Bowkett, Stephen<br />
5. Boyer, Elizabeth H ,1952<br />
6- Boyett, Steven R<br />
> Bozic, Stretan ><br />
q1..elsf Brackett, Leigh {{a|334}} (36)<br />
> Bradbury, Edward P ><br />
2- Bradbury, Ray<br />
:.el f Braddon, Mary E {{a|78925}} (221) <br />
5- Bradfield, Scott<br />
q3..elsf Bradley, Marion Zimmer (116)<br />
5.. Bradshaw, Gillian ,1956<br />
:-elsf Bramah, Ernest {{a|377}} (33)<br />
> Brand, Max ><br />
> Brandner, Gary ><br />
3- Brautigan, Richard<br />
1- Brennan, Joseph Payne<br />
5- Brenner, Mayer Alan<br />
5- Brennert, Alan<br />
> Brentano, Clemens ><br />
> Brice, Martin H ><br />
:.el f Briggs, Katharine M {{a|109054}} (36) <br />
3- Briggs, Raymond<br />
> Briggs, Stephen ><br />
6.. Brite, Poppy Z ,1967<br />
4? Brittain, C Dale ,1948<br />
> Brod, Max ><br />
:.el f Brontë, Charlotte {{a|1698}} (334) <br />
4- Brooke, William J<br />
4- Brooks, Terry<br />
:-elsf Brooks, Walter R {{a|6256}} (73) <br />
q2..elsf Brophy, Brigid (47) <br />
> Brosnan, John ><br />
:.elsf Broster, D K {{a|20860}} (17) <br />
#-el f Brown, Charles Brockden {{a|109144}} (94) <br />
q0-EJlsf Brown, Fredric (56)<br />
2- Brown, George Mackay<br />
!q1..el f Brown, Margaret Wise {{a|164720}} (283+)<br />
= as Juniper Sage, joint https://lccn.loc.gov/n79108845<br />
q2..el f Brown, Mary {{a|1877}} (7)[13]<br />
> Brown, Will ><br />
:-el f Browning, Robert {{a|4192}} (510)<br />
4..el f Broxon, Mildred Downey {{a|1553}} (3)[7],1944<br />
3- Brunner, John<br />
5- Brust, Steven<br />
> Bryan, Michael ><br />
4- Bryant, Edward<br />
:-elsf Buchan, John {{a|3627}} (208)<br />
:- '''Büchner, Georg --German dramatist mainly''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_B%C3%BCchner EN]<br />
#-el f Bulfinch, Thomas {{a|20326}} (76) <br />
:-elsf Bulgakov, Mikhail {{a|234949}} (180)<br />
5.. Bull, Emma ,1954<br />
:-el f Bullett, Gerald {{a|19971}} (78) = (pseud., non-genre?) Sebastian Fox<br />
2- Bulmer, Kenneth<br />
:-elsf Bulwer-Lytton, [Sir] Edward, First Baron Lytton {{a|2019}} (406)<br />
><s> Bulwer-Lytton, Robert > </s> = Edward Bulwer-Lytton<br />
4- Bunch, Chris<br />
#-el f Bunyan, John {{a|34400}} (189+) <br />
:.eLLsf Burdekin, Katherine {{a|3081}} (9) +4 Constantine<br />
= Murray Constantine (4)<br />
><s> Burdekin, Kay > </s><br />
q3..el f Burford, Lolah (6)<br />
1- Burgess, Anthony = John Anthony Burgess Wilson<br />
:-el f Burgess, Gelett {{a|15655}} (70)<br />
:.el f Burnett, Frances Hodgson {{a|4178}} (330)<br />
> Burgess, Thornton W ><br />
5- Burns, Richard<br />
:-el f Burrage, A M {{a|6518}} (7)<br />
:-elsf Burroughs, Edgar Rice {{a|143}} (347)<br />
> Burroughs, Joseph B ><br />
1- Burroughs, William S<br />
> Burton, [Sir] Richard ><br />
4.. Bushyager, Linda E ,1947<br />
:.el f Butts, Mary {{a|82905}} (19) <br />
q3..el f Byatt, A S (65)<br />
#-elsf Byron, Lord {{a|19966}} (607) <br />
:-elsf Cabell, James Branch {{a|341}} (123)<br />
2- Cabrera Infante, Guillermo<br />
> Cain, G ><br />
> Calado, Ivanir ><br />
q2..elsf Caldecott, Moyra (16) = real name of Olivia Brown <br />
NEED inform SFE<br />
> Calhoun, Mary ><br />
3- Callander, Don<br />
:-Nlw f Calthrop, Dion Clayton {{a|173606}} (38) <br />
2- Calvino, Italo<br />
q1..elsf Cameron, Eleanor {{a|1508}} (27)<br />
> Cameron, John ><br />
> Campbell, Angus ><br />
4- Campbell, Ramsey<br />
> Cannell, Charles Henry ><br />
:-ECLLsf Čapek, Karel {{a|161}} (300) + 6 collabs as Brothers Capek https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n88-092947<br />
:-elsf Capes, Bernard {{a|2083}} (16) <br />
> Capitano, Il ><br />
> Capote, Truman ><br />
5-elsf Card, Orson Scott {{a|15}} (126)<br />
4- Carey, Peter<br />
4.. Carl, Lillian Stewart ,1949<br />
> Carlsen, Chris ><br />
#-el f Carlyle, Thomas {{a|113667}} (440) <br />
> Carpenter, Leonard ><br />
q0-ellsf Carr, John Dickson (120+40+) = Carter Dickson &c<br />
3- Carr, Terry<br />
4- Carroll, Jonathan<br />
:-eLsf Carroll, Lewis {{a|3059}} (827) +Dodgson (25) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Carroll . Alice]]; [[User:Pwendt/People/Lewis Carroll]]<br />
> Carryl, Charles E ><br />
4..elsf Carter, Angela {{a|1172}} (56),1940 ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Angela Carter]]<br />
3-elsf Carter, Lin {{a|353}} (35) <br />
> Carter, Marilyn ><br />
> Case, Justin ><br />
1- Cave, Hugh B<br />
2-lwsf Cawthorn, James {{a|4126}} (3)<br />
#-el f Cazotte, Jacques {{a|4125}} (30) <br />
#-el f Cervantes, Miguel de Saavedra {{a|170356}} (1541) <br />
4- Chalker, Jack L<br />
3- Chambers, Aidan<br />
:-elsf Chambers, Robert W {{a|385}} (140) <br />
#-el f Chamisso, Adelbert von {{a|122107}} (103) <br />
4.. Chant, Joy ,1945<br />
:.el f Chapman, Vera {{a|1509}} (1) <br />
q3..elsf Charnas, Suzy Mckee (14)<br />
[Charnas: EoF later removed, oocities restored; EoF restored 2023-0216<br />
5- Charrette, Robert N<br />
3- Charyn, Jerome<br />
> Chase, Mary ><br />
#-el f Chaucer, Geoffrey {{a|107557}} (603) <br />
1- Cheever, John<br />
4..elsf Cherryh, C J {{a|16}} (94),1942<br />
4- Chesbro, George C<br />
:-elsf Chesterton, G K {{a|2044}} (526)<br />
6.. Chetwin, Grace ,1964<br />
1-elsf Chetwynd-Hayes, R {{a|1694}} (7+1)<br />
> Chew, Ruth ><br />
4.. Chin, M Lucie ,1947<br />
:.el f Chopin, Kate {{a|19535}} (65) <br />
#-el f Chrétien de Troyes {{a|198209}} (152) <br />
2-elsf Christopher, John {{a|378}} (59) + pseudonyms = Sam Youd<br />
6- Ciencin, Scott<br />
><s> Clare, Helen > </s> = Pauline Clarke<br />
? Clark, Douglas W<br />
> Clarke, A V ><br />
3- Clarke, Lindsay ,1939<br />
.eLL f Clarke, Pauline {{a|16164}} (17+10+2),1921 = Helen Clare, etc<br />
?.? Clayton, Jo<br />
3- Clement, Aeron<br />
:.el f Clifford, Lucy Lane (Mrs. W. K.) {{a|24047}} (34) <br />
3- Cline, C Terry Jr.<br />
5.. Clough, B W ,1955 = Brenda Clough<br />
4-elsf Clute, John {{a|147}} (11)<br />
:.el f Coatsworth, Elizabeth {{a|76881}} (132)<br />
> Cobalt, Martin ><br />
:-el f Cobb, Irvin S {{a|17681}} (90) <br />
4.. Cochran, Molly ,1949<br />
:-EFl f Cocteau, Jean {{a|86397}} (407) <br />
4- Cole, Adrian ,1949<br />
4- Cole, Allan<br />
> Coleman, Clare ><br />
#-el f Coleridge, Samuel Taylor {{a|22140}} (448) <br />
:.el f Coleridge, Sara {{a|83813}} (21) <br />
0-elsf Collier, John {{a|1160}} (30)<br />
5.. Collins, Nancy A ,1959<br />
:-el f Collins, Wilkie {{a|2034}} (297) <br />
:-el f Collodi, Carlo {{a|9486}} (294) <br />
3- Colombo, John Robert<br />
>:-el . Colum, Padraic {{a|122434}} (138) > ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Padraic Colum]]<br />
> Colvin, James ><br />
> Comfort, Montgomery ><br />
q0..elsf Comyns, Barbara {{a|6584}} (13)<br />
4.. Conford, Ellen ,1942<br />
2- Connell, Evan E<br />
:-elsf Conrad, Joseph {{a|19447}} (584) <br />
4- Conrad, Peter<br />
><s> Constantine, Murray > </s><br />
5- Constantine, Storm<br />
:-el f Conway, Hugh {{a|142380}} (42) = Frederick John Fargus <br />
4- Cook, Glen<br />
5- Cook, Hugh<br />
4- Cook, Rick<br />
6.. Cooke, Catherine ,1963<br />
5.. Cooper, Louise ,1952<br />
q3..elsf Cooper, Susan {{a|2436}} (56)<br />
3- Coover, Robert<br />
:-el f Coppard, A E {{a|1201}} (57) <br />
3- Corbett, W J<br />
:.elsf Corelli, Marie {{a|1966}} (112) <br />
3- Corlett, William<br />
:-el f Corley, Donald {{a|17493}} (5) <br />
2- Cormier, Robert<br />
5.. Corran, Mary ,1953<br />
1- Cortázar, Julio<br />
5- Costikyan, Greg<br />
q3..elsf Coulson, Juanita (8)<br />
q1..el f Counselman, Mary Elizabeth {{a|1215}} (1)<br />
5-elsf Coville, Bruce {{a|1453}} (94) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Magic Shop]]<br />
5- Cox, Greg<br />
> Cox, Palmer ><br />
4- Crace, Jim<br />
:.el f Craik, Mrs {{a|125079}} (186) = Miss Mulock, Dinah Maria Mulock Craik<br />
:-el f Cram, Ralph Adams {{a|17789}} (59) <br />
5.. Crawford, Betty Anne ,1952<br />
:-el f Crawford, F Marion {{a|3423}} (153)<br />
:-elsf Crawshay-Williams, Eliot {{a|186820}} (18) <br />
> Cray, Roberta ><br />
> Crayon, Geoffrey ><br />
#-el f Crébillon, Claude-Prosper Jolyot de {{a|225214}} (60) <br />
q3..el f Cresswell, Helen {{a|3615}} (54)<br />
: lwsf Creswick, Paul {{a|204013}} (4)[many] <br />
> Crichton, Michael ><br />
>#-el Croker, Thomas Crofton > {{a|122486}} (41)<br />
> Crompton, Richmal ><br />
1-lwsf Cross, John Keir {{a|6602}} (15) <br />
> Crow, Levi ><br />
:-el f Crowley, Aleister {{a|6606}} (123) <br />
4- Crowley, John<br />
4- Crowther, Peter<br />
2- Cuddon, J A ,1928<br />
> Cuiscard, Henri ><br />
2- Cullen, Seamus = James Serwer<br />
: lsf Cummins, Harle Oren {{a|20329}} (1)[1 only] http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n2006-075346 <br />
> Cunningham, Allan ><br />
q3..el f Curry, Jane Louise {{a|3266}} (38) --Beneath the Hill sequence "set partly in Wales and partly in the USA, where a community of Welsh Elves has established a Wainscot existence"<br />
1-elsf Dahl, Roald {{a|508}} (155)<br />
4- Dalby, Richard<br />
5.. Dalkey, Kara ,1953<br />
4.. Dalton, Annie ,1948<br />
#- lwf Dalton, James {{a|148317}} (3) <br />
> Daly, Hamlin ><br />
> Dana, Rose ><br />
:.elsf Dane, Clemence {{a|19199}} (82) <br />
4- Dann, Colin<br />
4- Dann, Jack<br />
#-elsf Dante Alighieri {{a|137127}} (1211) <br />
?.. Darby, Lyndan --joint pseud. Ann Grimsley (? - ), Lynne Kinnerley (? - )<br />
> D'Arcy, Jack ><br />
:-el f Darlington, W A {{a|186990}} (22) <br />
> Darmancour, P ><br />
:-elsf Davey, Norman {{a|199699}} (25) <br />
2- Davidson, Avram<br />
1- Davies, Robertson<br />
4.. Davis, Grania ,1943<br />
:-el f Dawson, Coningsby W {{a|157528}} (44) <br />
> Dawson, William J ><br />
> Day, J Wentworth ><br />
5.. Dean, Pamela ,1953<br />
><s> de Beaumont, Marie Leprince > </s><br />
q0..EFlsf de Beauvoir, Simone {{a|4483}} (131) <br />
5- de Bernieres, Louis<br />
q0-elsf de Camp, L Sprague (112)<br />
4- DeChancie, John<br />
:- w f de Comeau, Alexander {{a|130947}} --niLC [3] --YoB unknown, first book publ 1927<br />
:-elsf Deeping, Warwick {{a|6702}} (140) <br />
#-elsf Defoe, Daniel {{a|1900}} (801) <br />
6- de Haan, Tom = pseud.<br />
4- de Haven, Tom<br />
5- Deitz, Tom<br />
><s> de La Fontaine, Jean > </s><br />
:-el f de La Mare, Walter {{a|11634}} (277)<br />
4- Delany, Samuel R<br />
3- de Larrabeiti, Michael<br />
5- de Lint, Charles<br />
:-el f de Maupassant, Guy {{a|1958}} (431) <br />
:-el f de Morgan, William {{a|187146}} (16) <br />
5- Denning, Troy<br />
5- Dennis, Ian<br />
q0-elsf Derleth, August W (201)<br />
#-el f de Sade, Marquis {{a|109031}} (131) <br />
5- Dever, Joe<br />
4- Devereaux, Robert<br />
5.. Dexter, Susan ,1955<br />
4- Diamond, Graham<br />
4.. Dibell, Ansen ,1942 = pseud Nancy Ann Dibble<br />
q1..elsf Dick, Kay {{a|145463}} (14+3)<br />
> Dick, R A ><br />
:-elsf Dickens, Charles {{a|1572}} (2196) <br />
2-elsf Dickinson, Peter {{a|1442}} (95)<br />
:-el f Dickinson, W Croft {{a|20183}} (11)[many] g<br />
> Dickson, Carter ><br />
2- Dickson, Gordon R<br />
> Dikty, Thaddeus E ><br />
:.eLLsf Dinesen, Isak (61) +37 KBlixen +1 Andrézel = {{a|Karen Blixen}}<br />
= Tania Blixen https://lccn.loc.gov/no95003726 (0)<br />
= Pierre Andrézel https://lccn.loc.gov/no95003714 (1)<br />
= Osceola https://lccn.loc.gov/n2011003005 (0)<br />
> Dionnet, Jean-Pierre ><br />
4- Disch, Thomas M<br />
4.. Diski, Jenny ,1947<br />
:-elsf Disraeli, Benjamin {{a|16821}} (161) <br />
3- Doctorow, E L<br />
> Domecq, H Bustos ><br />
4- Donaldson, Stephen R<br />
>: Donnelly, Ignatius > ANTHROPOLOGY https://lccn.loc.gov/n80005270 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_L._Donnelly EN]<br />
><s> Doolittle, Hilda > </s><br />
> Dorset, Ruth ><br />
4.. Douglas, Carole Nelson ,1944<br />
:-elsf Douglas, Norman {{a|19173}} (97) <br />
:. lwwf Douglas, Theo (2) = {{a|Henrietta D. Everett}}, Mrs. H. D. Everett<br />
= Julia Douglas https://lccn.loc.gov/nr95025284 (0)<br />
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-nr95-025284 (conflates) o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/81981668]<br />
:-elsf Doyle, [Sir] Arthur Conan {{a|1131}} (787)<br />
5..elsf Doyle, Debra {{a|470}} (20),1952 + joint pseudonyms<br />
><s>Drake, Burgess > </s> = H.B.<br />
4- Drake, David A<br />
:-elw f Drake, H B {{a|136904}} (13)[many] <br />
> Dreadstone, Carl ><br />
> Dreher, Sarah ><br />
3? Drew, Wayland ,1932<br />
: lw f Drummond, Hamilton {{a|126745}} (13)[many] <br />
><s> Dryasdust > </s><br />
5..elsf Duane, Diane E {{a|97}} (54),1952<br />
> Dufays, Baudelaire ><br />
:-elsf Dumas, Alexandre père {{a|2024}} (1260)<br />
q0..elsf Du Maurier, Daphne {{a|864}} (156) <br />
3- Duncan, Dave<br />
:. lwf Dunn, [Mrs] Gertrude {{a|226115}} (as 12)<br />
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-dunn,%20gertrude (retired identity)<br />
:.Dl f G. Colmore, who was Gertrude Colmore Dunn for a time, {{a|186701}} (as 12)<br />
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n84-021617 (combined identity, following LC?)<br />
> Dunne, J W ><br />
:-elsf Dunsany, Lord {{a|823}} (129)<br />
> Durrell, Gerald ><br />
:-elsf Dwyer, James Francis {{a|15651}} (13) <br />
:-ew f Dyalhis, Nictzin {{a|766}} --niLC [2] <br />
> Dyrenforth, James ><br />
5- Dziemianowicz, Stefan R<br />
1-el f Eager, Edward {{a|6033}} (37) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Tales of Magic / Eager]]<br />
4- Easton, M Coleman<br />
3- Eco, Umberto<br />
3- Eddings, David<br />
:-elsf Eddison, E R {{a|169}} (15)<br />
4.. Edgerton, Teresa ,1949<br />
>:.el f Edwards, Amelia B > Ghost Stories [post-Gothic, Dickens successor] {{a|16355}} (39) <br />
4.. Edwards, Claudia J ,1943<br />
5.. Egan, Doris ,1955<br />
><s> Egbert, Floyd C ></s> = KENNETH MORRIS<br />
4.. Eisenstein, Phyllis ,1946<br />
> Eldridge, Paul ><br />
q0-ERlsf Eliade, Mircea (199)<br />
> Eliot, T S ><br />
3- Elkin, Stanley<br />
q3..elsf Elliott, Janice (23)<br />
> Elliott, Kate ><br />
><s> Ellison, Harlan </s> --deleted from SFE-F in favor of SFE3<br />
> Emerson, Jane ><br />
4.. Emerson, Ru ,1944<br />
5- Emery, Clayton<br />
[Tales of Robin Hood (1988) "set in a Britain rooted in Magic, and features a Robin Hood intimate with those roots<br />
q2..elsf Emshwiller, Carol {{a|1274}} (13)<br />
2-EDl f Ende, Michael {{a|1513}} (60)<br />
q0-elsf Endore, Guy (40)<br />
:-el f Erckmann-Chatrian --joint pseud. {{a|6711}} (54)<br />
5- Erickson, Steve<br />
> Ericson, Eric ><br />
4.. Erskine, Barbara ,1944<br />
:-el f Erskine, John {{a|160721}} (136) --mentioned concerning Twain's Adam and Eve<br />
1- Eshbach, Lloyd Arthur<br />
> Estes, Eleanor ><br />
?.. Estes, Rose ,19xx<br />
4- Etchison, Dennis<br />
#-el f Euripides {{a|151942}} (798)<br />
><s> Everett, H D > Theo Douglas </s><br />
:-elsf Ewers, Hanns Heinz {{a|19730}} (46)<br />
> Ewing, Juliana H ><br />
> Ex-Private X ><br />
> Fabyan, Robert ><br />
q0-el f Fagunwa, D O (15)<br />
4.. Fakinou, Eugenia ,1945<br />
:.el f Falconer, Lanoe {{a|82945}} (6) = Mary Elizabeth Hawker<br />
:-el f Falkner, J Meade {{a|112729}} (21)<br />
:-el f Farjeon, B L {{a|186036}} (84) --father (father, grandfather)<br />
:.el f Farjeon, Eleanor {{a|112169}} (149) --daughter (sister, aunt)<br />
q3..el f Farmer, Penelope {{a|5978}} (40)<br />
1- Farmer, Philip José<br />
5- Farrington, Geoffrey = Geoffrey Smith<br />
> Faulcon, Robert ><br />
4- Feist, Raymond E<br />
2- Felitta, Frank de<br />
> Fell, Andrew ><br />
#-el f Fénelon, François de Salignac de la Mothe {{a|215266}} (241) (La Mothe-Fénelon at ISFDB)<br />
> Fenn, Lionel ><br />
5- Fergusson, Bruce<br />
0- Fessier, Michael<br />
:-el f Field, Eugene {{a|16819}} (141) --Sr, senior<br />
> Field, Gans T ><br />
:.el f Field, Rachel {{a|168466}} (68)<br />
5- Findley, Nigel<br />
3- Findley, Timothy<br />
0- Finney, Charles G<br />
1- Finney, Jack = Walter Braden Finney<br />
:-el f Firbank, Ronald {{a|227015}} (41)<br />
><s> Firth, Violet M > </s><br />
> Fischer, Harry ><br />
> Fischer, Marjorie ><br />
6- Fisher, Paul R<br />
4.. Fisk, Pauline ,1948<br />
> Fiske, Tarleton ><br />
:-el f Fitzgerald, F Scott {{a|20115}} (247) <br />
:-el f Flaubert, Gustave {{a|2053}} (381) <br />
:-elsf Flecker, James Elroy {{a|19645}} (25)<br />
> Fleming, Ian ><br />
> Fletcher, George U ><br />
4- Flint, Kenneth C<br />
> Flynn, Casey ><br />
:-elsf Ford, Ford Madox {{a|70501}} (203) <br />
5- Ford, John M<br />
4- Ford, Richard<br />
:-elsf Forster, E M {{a|1969}} (203) <br />
:.eLL f Fortune, Dion {{a|5931}} (42) +7 Firth = Violet Mary Firth Evans<br />
4- Foster, Alan Dean<br />
#-el f Fouqué, Friedrich, Baron de la Motte {{a|16358}} (91) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Fouque]]<br />
5- Fowler, Christopher<br />
2- Fowles, John<br />
1- Fox, Gardner F<br />
:-elsf France, Anatole {{a|16830}} (422) <br />
3- Frank, Frederick S<br />
5.. Franklin, Cheryl J ,1955<br />
: lwsf Fraser, [Sir] Ronald {{a|102033}} (25) --niEN <br />
4- Frayling, Christopher<br />
3- Frayn, Michael<br />
:-el f Frazer, [Sir] James {{a|189007}} (116) = ISFDB: J. G. Frazer<br />
1- Frazer, Shamus = James Ian Arbuthnot Frazer<br />
:.el f Freeman, Mary E Wilkins {{a|2086}} (99) <br />
5- Friedman, Michael Jan<br />
5.. Friesner, Esther ,1951<br />
:-elsf Friswell, Hain {{a|179491}} (29)<br />
4- Frith, Nigel<br />
5- Frost, Gregory<br />
5- Frost, Mark<br />
1- Frye, Northrop<br />
3- Fryer, Donald S<br />
2- Fuentes, Carlos<br />
3- Fuller, John<br />
5.. Furey, Maggie ,1955<br />
q3..el f Furlong, Monica (37)<br />
5? Gaarder, Jostein ,1952<br />
5.. Gabaldon, Diana ,1952<br />
6-elsf Gaiman, Neil {{a|410}} (179)<br />
> Gaines, William M ><br />
> Galland, Antoine ><br />
:- Gallico, Paul<br />
><s> Gallister, Michael > </s><br />
> Gallon, Tom ><br />
> Galt, John ><br />
:-eLsf Ganpat {{a|127698}} (16) +Ganpat (13) = Gompertz<br />
2- García Márquez, Gabriel<br />
4- Garcia Y Robertson, R<br />
1.. lwf Gard, Joyce {{a|109672}} (6) = pseud Joyce Reeves<br />
niEN, niQ<br />
4- Gardner, Craig Shaw<br />
3-elsf Gardner, John {{a|3087}} (61)<br />
2-el f Garfield, Leon {{a|5885}} (82)<br />
3-elsf Garner, Alan<br />
:. '''Garnett, Constance --translator mainly, daughter-in-law''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Garnett EN]<br />
:-elsf Garnett, David {{a|1629}} (73), grandson<br />
:-elsf Garnett, Edward {{a|146874}} (53), son<br />
:-elsf Garnett, Richard {{a|2039}} (95)<br />
> Garou, Louis P ><br />
2- Garrett, Randall<br />
> Gascoigne, Bamber ><br />
6- Gascoigne, Marc<br />
4..elsf Gaskell, Jane {{a|3845}} (15);1941<br />
> Gautier, Judith ><br />
:-el f Gautier, Théophile {{a|2028}} (302)<br />
1- Gawsworth, John = (Terence Ian) Fytton Armstrong<br />
5.. Geary, Patricia ,1951<br />
4.. Gedge, Pauline ,1945<br />
4- Gemmell, David A<br />
5.. Gentle, Mary ,1956<br />
#-el f Geoffrey of Monmouth {{a|110957}} (44) <br />
:-elsf Giesy, John Ulrich {{a|1908}} (7)<br />
:-el f Gilbert, William {{a|2035}} (6)<br />
:-el f Gilbert, [Sir] W S {{a|2036}} (597)<br />
3 Gilliland, Alexis A ,1931<br />
?.. Gilluly, Sheila ,19xx<br />
5.. Gilman, Greer Ilene ,1951<br />
> Gilmer, Ann ><br />
2- Godwin, Parke<br />
#-el f Godwin, William {{a|1983}} (139)<br />
#-el f Goethe, Johann W {{a|2065}} (2087) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Faust]]<br />
:-el f Gogol, Nikolai {{a|237483}} (543)<br />
1- Gold, Horace L<br />
q:-elsf Golding, Louis (83)<br />
1-elsf Golding, [Sir] William {{a|785}} (51) <br />
3- Goldman, William<br />
5.. Goldstein, Lisa ,1953<br />
4- Goodkind, Terry<br />
> Gopaleen, Myles na ><br />
> Gordon, Frances ><br />
2- Gordon, John<br />
2- Gorey, Edward<br />
!q0..el f Goudge, Elizabeth {{a|5825}} (100)<br />
3- Goulart, Ron<br />
:-elsf Gourmont, Rémy de {{a|15620}} (118)<br />
#- '''Gozzi, Carlo''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Gozzi EN]<br />
5.. Grabien, Deborah ,1954<br />
:-elsf Grabiński, Stefan {{a|167301}} (8)<br />
:-el f Grahame, Kenneth {{a|2306}} (222) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Grahame . TWitW]]<br />
Grainville, Jean Cousin de ><br />
4- Grant, Charles L<br />
q0..el f Grant, Joan {{a|146932}} (33) = pseud (first marriage name of) Joan Marshall Kelsey <br />
4-elsf Grant, John {{a|123992}} (23),1949 = Paul (le Page) Barnett<br />
5.. Grant, Kathryn ,1952 + historical romance under pseudonyms<br />
> Granville-Barker, Harley ><br />
2- Grass, Günter<br />
3- Gray, Alasdair<br />
1- Gray, Nicholas Stuart<br />
1-elsf Green, Roger Lancelyn {{a|10828}} (94), father of Richard L G<br />
4- Green, Roland J<br />
4.. Green, Sharon ,1942<br />
5- Green, Simon R<br />
4- Green, Terence M<br />
4- Greenberg, Martin H<br />
5- Greenland, Colin<br />
:-elwf Greenwood, James {{a|228546}} (3) (about 20, many as by "Greenwood, James")<br />
4.. Gregorian, Joyce Ballou ,1946<br />
:- lwf Griffiths, Alan {{a|188304}} LC "active 1934-39" (3) WorldCat (4)<br />
> Grile, Dod ><br />
#- Grimm Brothers<br />
= El f Grimm, Jacob {{a|19912}} (1065)<br />
= El f Grimm, Wilhelm {{a|9071}} (888)<br />
:.el f Grimshaw, Beatrice {{a|1668}} (30)<br />
2- Grimshaw, Nigel<br />
4- Grimwood, Ken<br />
:-el f Grin, Alexander {{a|70431}} (51)<br />
!q2..el f Gripe, Maria Kristina (38) <br />
1- Grubb, Davis<br />
6- Grundy, Stephan<br />
> Guest, Lady Charlotte ><br />
q:-elsf Gunn, Neil M (59)<br />
5- Gunnarsson, Thorarinn<br />
6.. Guon, Ellen ,1964<br />
3- Gygax, Gary<br />
:-elsf Haggard, [Sir] H Rider {{a|138}} (293)<br />
!q3..el f Hahn, Mary Downing (49)<br />
4- Haining, Peter<br />
:.elsf Haldane, Charlotte {{a|100265}} (34) <br />
3.. lw f Haldeman, Linda (3)<br />
niEN, niQ<br />
> Hale, James ><br />
> Halam, Ann ><br />
: lwwsf Halidom, M Y {{a|1200052}} (0) +1 Dryasdust [many + 7] <br />
= Dryasdust https://lccn.loc.gov/n90713983 (1)<br />
> Hall, Frances ><br />
> Hall, Rodney ><br />
5.. Hambly, Barbara ,1951<br />
> Hamilton, Clive ><br />
> Hamilton, John ><br />
6.. Hamilton, Laurell K ,1963<br />
> Hammond, Keith ><br />
4- Hancock, Neil<br />
5.. Hand, Elizabeth ,1957<br />
> Hank in Maggs ><br />
> Harding, Ross ><br />
?- Harding, Simon<br />
4- Hardy, Lyndon<br />
:- '''Hargreaves, [Sir] Gerald''' --nidb --niEN.wiki<br />
6- Harman, Andrew<br />
5- Harpur, Patrick<br />
q0..el f Harris, Christie {{a|148594}} (24)<br />
5.. Harris, Deborah Turner ,1951<br />
5.. Harris, Geraldine ,1951<br />
:-el f Harris, Joel Chandler {{a|19914}} (144)<br />
2- Harris, MacDonald = Donald William Heiney<br />
q2..el f Harris, Rosemary {{a|16228}} (33)<br />
2- Harris, Wilson<br />
> Harrison, Jane E ><br />
0- Harrison, Michael = Maurice Desmond Rohan<br />
4- Harrison, M John<br />
:-elsf Hartley, L P {{a|548}} (45)<br />
4- Hartwell, David G<br />
:-el f Harvey, William F {{a|16268}} (8)[many]<br />
4- Hasford, Gustav<br />
:-el f Hauff, Wilhelm {{a|2025}} (153)<br />
:-elsf Hauptmann, Gerhart {{a|113675}} (248) <br />
> Haviland, Virginia ><br />
> Havlasa, Jan ><br />
5- Hawke, Simon<br />
><s> Hawkwood, Allan > </s><br />
> Hawthorne, Hildegarde ><br />
:-elsf Hawthorne, Julian {{a|17790}} (108) --son of Nathaniel Hawthorne <br />
:-elsf Hawthorne, Nathaniel {{a|1959}} (751)<br />
> Hay, Timothy ><br />
4- Hazel, Paul<br />
:.el f H.D. = {{a|Delia Alton}} = Hilda Doolittle (94) <br />
:-elsf Heard, Gerald {{a|1946}} (66)<br />
> Heard, H F ><br />
:-EJl f Hearn, Lafcadio {{a|19738}} (281)<br />
:-elsf Hecht, Ben {{a|19733}} (100)<br />
> Heide, Florence Parry ><br />
0- Heinlein, Robert A<br />
4- Helprin, Mark<br />
3- Henighan, Tom<br />
> Henry, Alan ><br />
4- Herbert, James<br />
5.. Herbert, Mary H ,1957<br />
> Herman, William ><br />
:. Heron, E & H --joint pseud. mother-and-son<br />
= :.*l f K(ate) Prichard (1851), mother {{a|120100}} (11) = Kate O'Brien (Ryall) Hesketh[-]Prichard --niEN (link EN: Hesketh Prichard) <br />
= :-el f Hesketh Prichard {{a|120099}} (27) under Prichard, not H-P = Hesketh Hesketh-Prichard (0)<br />
> Heron-Allen, Edward ><br />
> Herzmanovsky-Orlando, Fritz von ><br />
:-elsf Hesse, Hermann {{a|11094}} (395) <br />
4.. Heydron, Vicki Ann ,1945<br />
:-elsf Hichens, Robert {{a|30943}} (112)<br />
5.. Hickman, Tracy ,1955<br />
5.. Hilgartner, Beth ,1957<br />
4.. Hill, Susan ,1942<br />
> Hilman, F Mchugh ><br />
0- Hilton, James<br />
4- Hjortsberg, William<br />
2- Hoban, Russell<br />
><s> Hobb, Robin > </s><br />
0- Hobson, [Sir] Harold<br />
5.. Hodgell, P C ,1951<br />
:-elsf Hodgson, William Hope {{a|163}} (24)<br />
5.. Hoffman, Nina Kiriki ,1955<br />
#-elsf Hoffmann, E T A {{a|19492}} (374)<br />
:-el f Hofmannsthal, Hugo von {{a|96125}} (343)<br />
#-el f Hogg, James {{a|76629}} (100) <br />
4- Holdstock, Robert P<br />
:-elsf Holland, Clive {{a|190884}} (35) = Charles James Hankinson https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n90-637192 <br />
:. '''Holme, Constance''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Holme EN]<br />
6- Holt, Tom<br />
#-elsf Homer {{a|20200}} (1198)<br />
> Homunculus [2] ><br />
4- Horwood, William<br />
:-elsf Houghton, Claude {{a|181546}} (42) <br />
0- Household, Geoffrey<br />
:.el f Housman, Clemence {{a|7108}} (5)<br />
:-elsf Housman, Laurence {{a|111581}} (177) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Laurence Housman]]<br />
q2..el f Howard, Elizabeth Jane (26)<br />
0-elsf Howard, Robert E {{a|822}} (112), born 1906<br />
4- Howe, James<br />
:-elsf Howells, William Dean {{a|11227}} (391)<br />
> Howlett, Winston A ><br />
1- Hubbard, L Ron<br />
:-elsf Hudson, W H {{a|7219}} (202)<br />
5.. Huff, Tanya ,1957<br />
3- Hughart, Barry<br />
4- Hughes, Robert Don<br />
3-elsf Hughes, Ted {{a|1742}} (164)<br />
> Hugo, Victor > <br />
> Hull, E Mayne ><br />
:-elsf Hume, Fergus {{a|129099}} (59)<br />
> Huneker, James ><br />
> Hunt, Gill ><br />
4- Hunt, Peter<br />
:.el f Hunt, Violet {{a|19959}} (20) --daughter of Brothers Grimm translator, ''Grimm's Household Tales'' (2 vols., 1880)<br />
q2..el f Hunter, Mollie {{a|5600}} (37)<br />
> Huxley, Aldous ><br />
:-el f Huysmans, Joris-Karl {{a|5598}} (121)<br />
4.. Ingalls, Rachel ,1940<br />
:.el f Ingelow, Jean {{a|73761}} (71)<br />
><s> Ingoldsby, Thomas > </s> (Barham)<br />
1- Ionesco, Eugène<br />
q1..el f Ipcar, Dahlov {{a|3563}} (50)<br />
#-elsf Irving, Washington {{a|1971}} (968)<br />
:.el f Irwin, Margaret {{a|13651}} (many) (many as by "Irwin, Margaret" undifferentiated)<br />
4- Irwin, Robert<br />
1- Irwin, W R ;1915<br />
2- Jackman, Stuart<br />
:-el f Jacks, L P {{a|147064}} (68) <br />
?.. l f Jackson, Rosemary {{a|148266}} (4),19xx<br />
q1..elsf Jackson, Shirley {{a|694}} (64)<br />
5- Jackson, Steve<br />
5- Jackson, Steve [2]<br />
>:-el . Jacobs, Joseph > Folklore; Folktales. ; {{a|17634}} (129) section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Joseph Jacobs]]<br />
3- Jacques, Brian<br />
3- Jakes, John W<br />
> James, Dynely ><br />
:-elsf James, Henry {{a|1692}} (841) <br />
2- James, John<br />
:-el f James, M R {{a|5578}} (130) <br />
> James, Philip ><br />
q1..el f Jansson, Tove {{a|2148}} (110)<br />
> Jaroš, Peter ><br />
6-el f Jarvis, Robin {{a|1663}} (9)<br />
4- Jefferies, Mike<br />
:-elsf Jefferies, Richard {{a|17684}} (86)<br />
: w f Jenks, Almet {{a|230396}} --niLC [2, one work only]<br />
> Jenks, Jacquetta ><br />
:-elsf Jepson, Edgar {{a|63971}} (33)<br />
:-el f Jerome, Jerome K {{a|14339}} (116)<br />
> Johns, Jacob ><br />
4- Johnson, Charles<br />
> Johnson, Richard ><br />
?- w f Johnston, Gunnar {{a|230441}} --niLC [5] <br />
:.elsf Johnston, Mary {{a|153903}} (51) <br />
1- Jones, Chuck<br />
q3..elsf Jones, Diana Wynne {{a|593}} (82) ; sister elw Ursula Jones {{a|176846}} (8) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Chrestomanci]]<br />
5.. Jones, Gwyneth ,1952<br />
5.. Jones, Jenny ,1954<br />
6.. Jones, J V ,1963<br />
5- Jones, Stephen<br />
4- Jones, Terry<br />
> Jonson, Ben ><br />
4- Jordan, Robert = James Oliver Rigney Jr<br />
5- Joshi, S T ,1958<br />
5- Joyce, Graham<br />
:-el f Joyce, James {{a|113840}} (502) <br />
2-el f Juster, Norton {{a|5534}} (25)<br />
> Kadare, Ismail ><br />
:-elsf Kafka, Franz {{a|15578}} (355) <br />
3- Kangilaski, Jaan<br />
4.. Karr, Phyllis Ann ,1944<br />
:-el f Kästner, Erich {{a|186176}} (176) <br />
4.. Katz, Welwyn ,1948<br />
q0..elsf Kavan, Anna {{a|1372}} (42);1901 = "took the name AK by deed-poll"<br />
4.. Kaveney, Roz ,1949<br />
5- Kay, Guy Gavriel<br />
3- Kaye, Marvin<br />
:-el f Kazantzakis, Nikos {{a|239493}} (128)<br />
6- Kearney, Paul<br />
#-el f Keats, John {{a|22268}} (296) <br />
#-el f Keightley, Thomas {{a|7869}} (54) ><br />
3- Kelleher, Victor<br />
:-elsf Keller, David H {{a|1124}} (18)<br />
> Kelley, Thomas P ><br />
q1..el f Kendall, Carol {{a|3091}} (15)<br />
> Kendall, Gordon ><br />
> Kendall, May ><br />
><s> Kennealy, Patricia > </s><br />
4.. Kennealy-Morrison, Patricia ,1946<br />
3-el f Kennedy, Richard {{a|5506}} (21) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Richard Kennedy]]<br />
> Kent, Kelvin ><br />
!q0.. lwf Kerby, Susan Alice {{a|122630}} (17)[many]<br />
= pseud (Alice) Elizabeth Burton --libraries conflate with other Elizabeth Burtons<br />
q3..el f Kernaghan, Eileen (8)<br />
4.. Kerr, Katharine ,1944<br />
:. lsf Kerruish, Jessie Douglas {{a|6706}} (6) <br />
1- Kersh, Gerald<br />
> Kesteven, Ambrosius ><br />
> <s>Key, Samuel M > </s> = Uel<br />
:-e f Key, Uel {{a|122690}} --niLC [4] WorldCat: [http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-key,%20uel/ Uel] [http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-key,%20samuel%20whittell/ Samuel] [http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3AKey%2C+Samuel+Whittell%2C&qt=hot_author search au:Key, Samuel Whittel]<br />
><s> Keyne, Gordon > </s><br />
4- Kilworth, Garry<br />
4- King, Bernard<br />
> King, Clive ><br />
:.el f King, Jessie M {{a|193096}} (7) --illustrator mainly<br />
4-elsf King, Stephen {{a|70}} (258) + (15)<br />
5- King, Tappan<br />
:-el f Kingsley, Charles {{a|2029}} (273)<br />
> Kingsley, Henry ><br />
> Kingsley, Mary ><br />
2- King-Smith, Dick<br />
3-elsf Kinsella, W P {{a|5484}} (43) --baseball <br />
:-elsf Kipling, Rudyard {{a|1961}} (1908) [[User:Pwendt/People/Rudyard Kipling]]<br />
5.. Kirchoff, Mary L ,1959<br />
1- Kirkup, James<br />
5.. Kirstein, Rosemary ,1953<br />
4- Klein, T E D ,1947<br />
6- Knaak, Richard A<br />
:-el f Knatchbull-Hugessen, E H {{a|168789}} (9)[many] = Lord Brabourne <br />
> Knickerbocker, Diedrich ><br />
:-el f Knight, Eric {{a|16531}} (40+4) <br />
> Knowles, Rupert ><br />
:-el f Knowles, Vernon {{a|127139}} (3)[many]<br />
> Kolár, Josef Jiří ><br />
:- '''Kondratiev, Alexander''' --nidb --niEN.wiki<br />
4- Koontz, Dean R<br />
> Kossak-Szcczucka, Zofia ><br />
3- Koster, R M ,1934<br />
3- Kotzwinkle, William<br />
> Kramerius, Václav Rodomil ><br />
> Krasiński, Zygmunt ><br />
5- Krensky, Stephen<br />
4.. Kress, Nancy ,1948<br />
6- Kubasik, Christopher<br />
> Kubin, Alfred ><br />
:- lwf Kummer, Frederic Arnold {{a|115484}} (59) <br />
2- Kundera, Milan<br />
3- Kurland, Michael<br />
4.. Kurtz, Katherine ,1944<br />
5.. Kushner, Ellen ,1955<br />
1-eLLsf Kuttner, Henry {{a|452}} (27) +8 Lewis Padgett, joint pseud.<br />
5.. Lackey, Mercedes ,1950<br />
4- LaFarge, Tom<br />
1- Lafferty, R A ;1914<br />
>17 La Fontaine, Jean de > Fable; Charles Perrault.<br />
:-el f Laforgue, Jules {{a|124491}} (55) <br />
:.el f Lagerlöf, Selma {{a|5440}} (183) <br />
:-el f Lagerkvist, Pär {{a|167237}} (79)<br />
><s> Lainez, Manuel Mujica > </s><br />
> Lamark, Drew ><br />
#-el f Lamb, Charles {{a|189484}} (325) ; el-- Mary Lamb {{a|190794}} (112)<br />
:-elsf Lamb, Harold {{a|19453}} (62) <br />
> Lambert, S H ><br />
:-elsf Lambourne, John {{a|160703}} (23) <br />
4.. Lance, Kathryn ,1943<br />
4- Lancour, Gene = Gene Lancour Fisher<br />
0- Landolfi, Tommaso<br />
:-elsf Lang, Andrew {{a|6880}} (474) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Andrew Lang]]<br />
5-elsf Langford, David {{a|752}} (10+1) --SFE3 co-editor<br />
= William Robert Loosley https://lccn.loc.gov/n88653112 (1)[1] https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n88-653112<br />
1- Langley, Noel ;1911<br />
> Langran, Maurice ><br />
> Langton, Jane ><br />
> Lanyard, Fortescue ><br />
4- La Plante, Richard<br />
5.. Larsen, Jeanne ,1950<br />
5- Larson, Randall D<br />
5- Lasdun, James<br />
4.. Laubenthal, Sanders Anne ,1943<br />
3- Launay, André ,1930<br />
> Launay, Droo ><br />
> Laurance, Andrew ><br />
:-EFl f Lautréamont, Comte de {{a|16833}} (42) = Isidore Lucien Ducasse<br />
5- Lawhead, Stephen R<br />
4.. Lawrence, Ann ,1942<br />
:-el f Lawrence, D H {{a|11632}} (558) <br />
4..elsf Lawrence, Louise {{a|1649}} (18),1943 = Elizabeth Holden<br />
:.elsf Lawrence, Margery {{a|15077}} (16) VIAF 126258545 [https://viaf.org/viaf/79287229/#Lawrence,_Margery,_1896-1969 VIAF 79287229]<br />
> Laws, Stephen ><br />
:-el f Lawson, Robert --illustrator mainly {{a|13904}} (81) <br />
:-el f Lear, Edward {{a|22266}} (243) <br />
4- Le Clézio, J-M G ,1940<br />
3- Lee, John<br />
2- Lee, Stan<br />
4..elsf Lee, Tanith {{a|105}} (71),1947<br />
:.el f Lee, Vernon, pseud. {{a|1965}} (79) = Violet Paget --half-sister<br />
> Leech, Ben ><br />
:-el f Lee-Hamilton, Eugene {{a|22265}} (5) --half-brother<br />
:-el f Le Fanu, J Sheridan {{a|1962}} (84) <br />
q2..elsf Le Guin, Ursula K {{a|37}} (175) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Ursula K. Le Guin]]<br />
1-e s Leiber, Fritz {{a|38}} (67);1910<br />
1987 Tor double Echoes of valor https://lccn.loc.gov/98809481<br />
1990 Tor double The Fair https://lccn.loc.gov/98818853<br />
:-el f Leland, Charles Godfrey {{a|120572}} (186)<br />
> Lelland, Frank ><br />
q1..elsf L'Engle, Madeleine {{a|2923}} (138)<br />
#.el f Leprince de Beaumont, Madame Jeanne-Marie {{a|208738}} (59)<br />
q3.. lwsf Lerman, Rhoda (12)<br />
niEN<br />
1- '''Lerner, Alan Jay''' ;1918 = Lerner & Loewe --nidb<br />
:-EDl f Lernet-Holenia, Alexander {{a|100741}} (62)<br />
:-elsf Leroux, Gaston {{a|5395}} (165) <br />
> Lešehrad, Emanuel ><br />
:. lwf Leslie, Josephine {{a|115491}} (5) [many] = R. A. Dick <br />
> Level, Maurice ><br />
!q2..elw f Levin, Betty (26)<br />
2- Levin, Ira<br />
#-el f Levshin, Vasily {{a|186479}} (12) <br />
:-elsf Lewis, C S {{a|301}} (394)<br />
:.el f Lewis, Hilda {{a|115885}} (38) <br />
#-el f Lewis, Matthew Gregory {{a|631}} (115) <br />
:-elsf Lewis, Wyndham {{a|49201}} (139)<br />
> Leyton, E K ><br />
5- Ligotti, Thomas<br />
q0..ESl f Lindgren, Astrid {{a|29517}} (221)<br />
5.. Lindholm, Megan ,1952 = Robin Hobb pseud.<br />
:-elsf Lindsay, David {{a|166}} (15)<br />
:-el f Lindsay, Norman {{a|30344}} (65)<br />
:-elsf Linklater, Eric {{a|13496}} (129) <br />
2- Lins, Osman<br />
:.el f Linton, Lynn {{a|82749}} (46) <br />
6.. Lisle, Holly ,1960<br />
4.. Lisle, Janet Taylor ,1947<br />
6- Little, Bentley<br />
q3..el f Lively, Penelope {{a|5368}} (81)<br />
:. lwf Livingston, Marjorie {{a|233026}} (5) [14] <br />
4- Livingstone, Ian<br />
2- Lloyd, A R ,1927<br />
> Lloyd, Charles ><br />
q3..el f Llywelyn, Morgan (42+)<br />
:-elsf Lofting, Hugh {{a|5360}} (89) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Doctor Dolittle]]<br />
q0..el f Lofts, Norah {{a|9021}} (130+2) + 2[2 titles only] as Juliet Astley<br />
= (0)[1] Peter Curtis https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n2013-028275<br />
6.. Logston, Anne ,1962<br />
:-elsf London, Jack {{a|1975}} (588) <br />
0- Long, Frank Belknap<br />
> Long, John Luther ><br />
> Lord, Jeffrey ><br />
4.. Lorrah, Jean ,1940<br />
> Lorrain, Jean ><br />
> Loti, Pierre ><br />
:-EFl f Louÿs, Pierre {{a|15210}} (132) <br />
:-elsf Lovecraft, H P {{a|165}} (126) <br />
> Lovehill, C B ><br />
6- Lowder, James<br />
3- Luard, Nicholas<br />
#-elsf Lucian {{a|115737}} (209) <br />
5- Lukeman, Tim<br />
3- Lumley, Brian<br />
> Lundwall, Sam J ><br />
><s> Lustbader, Eric > </s><br />
> Lyndell, Catherine ><br />
> Lynes, Russell ><br />
><s> Lynn, Eliza > </s> = Lynn Linton<br />
4.. Lynn, Elizabeth A ,1946<br />
><s> Lytton, Lord > </s> = Edward Bulwer-Lytton<br />
---- ---- 2019-12-30 above this line, first column is 1900s birth decade (> redirect, ? 19??, ! earlier) ---- ----<br />
> MacAuley, Charles Raymond ><br />
4..elsf Macavoy, R A {{a|390}} (8),1949<br />
2- McBain, Ed = Evan Hunter, born S A Lombino<br />
q2..elsf McCaffrey, Anne {{a|176}} (143)<br />
> McCarthy, Cormac ><br />
><s> McCarthy, Justin > </s><br />
:-el f McCarthy, Justin Huntly {{a|115704}} (89)<br />
5- McCarty, Dennis<br />
5..el f McCaughrean, Geraldine {{a|8291}} (72),1951<br />
> McCaughren, Tom ><br />
:-elsf McCay, Winsor {{a|110372}} (55)<br />
3- McCormack, Eric P<br />
?.. McCrumb, Sharyn<br />
:-elsf MacDonald, George {{a|139}} (364) [[User:Pwendt/People/George Macdonald]]<br />
><s> MacDonald, Golden > </s><br />
> Macdonald, James D ><br />
3- McEvilley, Thomas<br />
> MacEwen, Gwendolyn ><br />
> MacFall, Haldane ><br />
> Macfarlane, Stephen ><br />
6- McGirt, Dan<br />
2- McGowen, Tom<br />
> McHargue, Georgess ><br />
:-elsf Machen, Arthur {{a|135}} (90) <br />
:-el f McKenna, Stephen {{a|115867}} (82)<br />
> Mackey, Mary ><br />
3- McKiernan, Dennis L<br />
4..elsf McKillip, Patricia A {{a|1022}} (33),1948<br />
5..elsf McKinley, Robin {{a|2369}} (32),1952<br />
:-el f MacLeish, Archibald {{a|16253}} (308) <br />
2- MacLeish, Roderick<br />
:-eLL f MacLeod, Fiona, pseud. {{a|110109}} = William Sharp (61+42)<br />
> McNutt, Charles ><br />
> Macpherson, James ><br />
:-EFlsf Maeterlinck, Maurice {{a|192075}} (339)<br />
q3..el f Mahy, Margaret {{a|2316}} (122)<br />
2- Mailer, Norman<br />
> Majors, Simon ><br />
> Malet, Lucas ><br />
> Mallarmé, Stéphane ><br />
#-el f Malory, [Sir] Thomas {{a|31657}} (168) <br />
> Malvern, Jefferson D ><br />
#-el f Mandeville, [Sir] John {{a|187161}} (63) <br />
4- Manguel, Alberto<br />
2- Mankowitz, Wolf<br />
><s> Mann, Jack > </s> = E C Vivian<br />
:-el f Mann, Thomas {{a|13692}} (539) <br />
> Manning-Sanders, Ruth > Raymond Briggs; Robin Jacques<br />
> Mara, Bernard ><br />
> Margroff, Robert ><br />
> Marie de France ><br />
> Marl, David J ><br />
4- Marley, Stephen<br />
#-el f Marlowe, Christopher {{a|82613}} (219) <br />
:-el f Marquis, Don {{a|16332}} (63)<br />
#-el f Marryat, Frederick {{a|81561}} (221)<br />
> Marsh, Geoffrey ><br />
> Marshall, Alan ><br />
> Martens, Paul ><br />
4- Martin, George R R<br />
3- Martin, Graham Dunstan<br />
> Martin, John [2] ><br />
:-elsf Martin, J P {{a|90281}} (4) <br />
4.. Martin, Valerie ,1948<br />
?.. Martine-Barnes, Adrienne<br />
:-el f Masefield, John {{a|5274}} (352) <br />
- Matheson, Chris ,1958<br />
2- Matheson, Richard<br />
5- Matheson, Richard Christian<br />
:-Flsf Matson, Norman {{a|83517}} (11)[many] https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no93-020499<br />
#-elsf Maturin, Charles R {{a|1595}} (35) <br />
:-el f Maugham, W Somerset {{a|5267}} (529) <br />
><s> Maupassant, Guy de > </s><br />
q3..elsf May, Julian {{a|291}} (186+) + numerous pseudonyms <br />
2- Mayne, William<br />
> Meagher, Maude ><br />
6.. Meier, Shirley ,1960<br />
:-elsf Melville, Herman {{a|2032}} (581) <br />
> Meredith, Owen ><br />
:-elsf Merritt, A {{a|613}} (32) <br />
2- Merwin, W S ,1927<br />
:-elsf Meyrink, Gustav {{a|5218}} (58) <br />
> Mickiewicz, Adam ><br />
5? Middleton, Haydn ,1955<br />
> Middleton, Martin ><br />
:-el f Middleton, Richard {{a|2041}} (9)[many]<br />
> Miffkin, Patton H ><br />
5- Milán, Victor<br />
> Miles Gloriosus ><br />
4- Miller, Ian<br />
4- Millhauser, Steven<br />
:-el f Milne, A A {{a|5194}} (572) <br />
#-el f Milton, John {{a|92197}} (800) <br />
> Mirbeau, Octave ><br />
:.el f Mirrlees, Hope {{a|7214}} (8)<br />
:.elsf Mitchison, Naomi {{a|1735}} (107) <br />
4- Modesitt, L E Jr ,1943<br />
:.el f Molesworth, Mary {{a|124751}} (65) (Mrs. Molesworth) > Children's Fantasy. etc<br />
> Molière ><br />
> Molin, Charles ><br />
> Molyneux, Bingham T ><br />
> Momaday, N Scott ><br />
> Mompesson, Sergius ><br />
4- Monaco, Richard<br />
4- Monteleone, Thomas F<br />
4.. Moon, Elizabeth ,1945<br />
elsf Moorcock, Michael {{a|140}} (131 as MM)<br />
5- Moore, Alan<br />
2- Moore, Brian<br />
q1..eLLsf Moore, C L {{a|453}} (12) +8 Lewis Padgett, joint pseud.<br />
4- Morgan, Chris ,1946<br />
:-elsf Morley, Christopher {{a|5153}} (219) <br />
3- Morressy, John<br />
4.. Morris, Janet E ,1946<br />
!q2..lww f Morris, Jean (6+9) = real name of Kenneth O'Hara, crime writer<br />
niEN; both Morris and O'Hara at Wikidata 2023-02-17<br />
:-el f Morris, Kenneth {{a|2846}} (10)<br />
:-elsf Morris, William {{a|305}} (344)<br />
4- Morrow, James<br />
> Mortimer, Evan Gregson ><br />
> Morton, Anthony ><br />
> Morus, Cenydd ><br />
5- Morwood, Peter = Robert Peter Smith<br />
1- Mujica Lainez, Manuel<br />
2- Mulisch, Harry<br />
:-elsf Mundy, Talbot {{a|2118}} (47) = Gribbon, William Lancaster<br />
0- Munn, H Warner<br />
> Murphy, Dennis Jasper ><br />
> Murphy, Jill ><br />
5.. Murphy, Pat ,1955<br />
q2.. lw f Murphy, Shirley Rousseau (51)<br />
niEN; deceased inform SFE<br />
> Murphy, Warren B<br />
> Murray, Frieda A ><br />
> Murray, Margaret ><br />
#-el f Musäus, Johann Karl {{a|179989}} (23) <br />
5- Myers, Edward<br />
0- Myers, John Myers<br />
:-ERlsf Nabokov, Vladimir {{a|15974}} (235)<br />
> Nadir, A A ><br />
:-elsf Nathan, Robert {{a|2342}} (88) <br />
> Neiderman, Andrew ><br />
:-el f Nerval, Gérard de {{a|76941}} (167)<br />
:.elsf Nesbit, E {{a|5098}} (140) ; daughter '''Rosamund E. Nesbit Bland''' (2) --nidb [[User:Pwendt/People/E. Nesbit]]<br />
:-el f Newbolt, [Sir] Henry {{a|112892}} (61)<br />
2- Newlove, Donald<br />
5- Newman, Kim ,1959<br />
0- Newman, Robert<br />
4.. Newman, Sharan ,1949<br />
:-elsf Nichols, Beverley {{a|10051}} (120) = John B N<br />
:-elsf Nichols, Robert {{a|131770}} (30)<br />
4.. Nichols, Ruth ,1948<br />
:-elsf Nicholson, Joseph Shield {{a|131772}} (23)<br />
5- Niles, Douglas<br />
4..el f Nimmo, Jenny {{a|5089}} (27),1944<br />
:-elsf Nisbet, Hume {{a|19897}} (2)<br />
3- Niven, Larry<br />
#-elsf Nodier, Charles {{a|16549}} (113)<br />
2- Nolan, William F<br />
6- Norfolk, Lawrence<br />
> Norman, Jay ><br />
3- Norman, John = John Frederick Lange Jr<br />
><s> North, Andrew > </s><br />
q1..elsf Norton, Andre {{a|209}} (213+)<br />
= Andrew North (pseud.) (1) ''Voodoo Planet'' and ''Plague Ship''<br />
= Alice Mary Norton (birth name) https://lccn.loc.gov/n88063436 (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/51013839 ''Huon''<br />
= Allen Weston --joint pseud. (1) non-genre<br />
q0..el f Norton, Mary {{a|1376}} (50)[[User:Pwendt/People/Mary Norton]] ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#The Borrowers]]<br />
> Norvil, Manning ><br />
:-elsf Noyes, Alfred {{a|19748}} (114) <br />
5..elsf Nye, Jody Lynn {{a|1432}} (37),1957 ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Crossroads Adventure publication series]]<br />
el f Nye, Robert {{a|5059}} (51) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Robert Nye]]<br />
q3..elsf Oates, Joyce Carol (235)<br />
> O'Brien, David Wright ><br />
1- O'Brien, Flann ;1911 = Brian O'Nolan or Briain ÓNuallàin<br />
> Ocampo, Silvina ><br />
3- Offutt, Andrew J<br />
> O'Hagan, Howard ><br />
> O'Hara, Kenneth ><br />
5- Okri, Ben<br />
:.el f Oliphant, Mrs {{a|79773}} (249)<br />
:-el f Onions, Oliver {{a|15191}} (60)<br />
4.. Ore, Rebecca ,1948<br />
5.. Orr, A ,1950 = Alice Ingram Orr Sprague<br />
0- Orwell, George = Eric Arthur Blair<br />
3? O'Shea, Pat ,1931<br />
> Ossian > Celtic Fantasy<br />
:-el f O'Sullivan, Vincent {{a|17777}} (19)<br />
#-el f Ovid {{a|19918}} (684)<br />
q:-elw f Owen, Frank (34)<br />
q2..el f Ozick, Cynthia ,1928<br />
><s> Padgett, Lewis > </s> joint Kuttner & Moore<br />
5- Page, Norvell W ;1904<br />
> Paget, Francis Edward > > Children's Fantasy.; Fairytale<br />
:-elsf Pain, Barry {{a|18225}} (26)<br />
5- Palmer, Thomas<br />
6.. Palwick, Susan ,1960<br />
q1..eLLf Pargeter, Edith {{a|2173}} (38+66) = Ellis Peters, pseud.<br />
3- Parkinson, Dan<br />
: '''Parry, [Sir] Edward Abbott''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Abbott_Parry EN]<br />
<s> Paton, Ephraim Soulsby > > Kenneth Morris</s><br />
q3..elsf Paton Walsh, Jill {{a|4999}} (54)<br />
><s> Pattrick, William > pseud Peter Haining</s><br />
2- Pavič, Milorad<br />
4.. Paxson, Diana L ,1943<br />
><s> Paye, Robert > pseud Marjorie Bowen</s><br />
><s> Payne, Alan > > John W Jakes.</s><br />
> Peacock, Thomas Love > > Arthur; Flood; Ghost Stories.<br />
1- Peake, Mervyn<br />
q2..elsf Pearce, Philippa {{a|4991}} (43) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Philippa Pearce]]<br />
0- Pei, Mario<br />
> Péladan, Joséphin > > Decadence<br />
><s> Penalurick, Jan > > Charles de Lint</s><br />
> Percy, Thomas > > Romance<br />
#-el f Perrault, Charles {{a|20007}} (380) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Perrault]]<br />
> Perrault, Pierre > French folklorist (1678-1700) --son<br />
:-EDlsf Perutz, Leo {{a|132231}} (54) <br />
><s> Peters, Ellis > pseud Edith Pargeter</s><br />
><s> Peyton, Richard > pseud Peter Haining</s><br />
:.el f Phelps, Elizabeth Stuart {{a|15188}} (86) +4Ward +1Adams<br />
><s> Phillips, Michael > pseud Charles Beaumont, sometimes with William F Nolan</s><br />
:-eLLsf Phillpotts, Eden {{a|212}} (256) +4 Hext Harrington<br />
:- lwwsf Phylos the Thibetan {{a|205327}} (2+7)[13+9] = Frederick Spencer Oliver<br />
5.. Pierce, Meredith Ann ,1958<br />
5..el f Pierce, Tamora {{a|867}} (57),1954<br />
5- Pike, Christopher = Kevin McFadden<br />
5- Pini, Richard<br />
5.. Pini, Wendy ,1951<br />
4- Pinkwater, Daniel M<br />
:-elsf Pirandello, Luigi {{a|157712}} (303) <br />
#-el f Planché, James Robinson {{a|122692}} (127) <br />
:-elsf Poe, Edgar Allan {{a|622}} (944) [[User:Pwendt/People/Edgar Allan Poe]]<br />
#-elsf Polidori, John {{a|19743}} (25) <br />
> Pollack, Frederick > > Posthumous Fantasy.<br />
4.. Pollack, Rachel ,1945<br />
:-elsf Pollock, Walter Herries {{a|6881}} (26) <br />
3.. lw f Poole, Josephine {{a|4942}} (18)<br />
niEN, niQ<br />
q1..el f Pope, Elizabeth Marie {{a|473}} (7) <br />
2- '''Postgate, Oliver''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Postgate EN]<br />
#-elsf Potocki, [Count] Jan {{a|4935}} (23) <br />
:.el f Potter, Beatrix {{a|173620}} (384) <br />
><s> Power, Cecil > pseud Grant Allen</s><br />
6.. Power, Susan Mary ,1961<br />
5- Powers, Tim<br />
:-elsf Powys, John Cowper {{a|132147}} (130) <br />
> Powys, Llewelyn > third brother<br />
:-el f Powys, T F {{a|20010}} (48) <br />
:.el f Praed, Mrs [Rosa Campbell Praed] {{a|132339}} (25) <br />
5.. Prager, Emily ,1952<br />
4.. Prantera, Amanda ,1942<br />
4-elsf Pratchett, Terry {{a|155}} (105) <br />
:-elsf Pratt, Fletcher {{a|532}} (94) <br />
0- Pratt, Theodore<br />
<s> Preedy, George R > pseud Marjorie Bowen</s><br />
5- Preiss, Byron<br />
<s> Prescot, Dray > pseud Kenneth Bulmer</s><br />
:-elsf Price, E Hoffmann {{a|525}} (6)[many] <br />
4- Priest, Christopher<br />
:-elsf Priestley, J B {{a|1261}} (338)<br />
5-elsf Pringle, David {{a|719}} (15)<br />
> Proença, M Cavalcanti > > Brazil<br />
.. Prose, Francine ,1947<br />
4-elsf Pullman, Philip {{a|2692}} (53)<br />
#-el f P'u Sung-Ling [Pu Songling] {{a|126880}} (190) <br />
:-el f Pyle, Howard {{a|6311}} (188)<br />
3- Pynchon, Thomas<br />
> Q ><br />
> Questing, Frank ><br />
:-el f Quiller-Couch, [Sir] Arthur {{a|2088}} (156)<br />
> Quinet, Edgar ><br />
:-elsf Quinn, Seabury {{a|755}} (9)<br />
#-elsf Rabelais, François {{a|20438}} (190) <br />
4- Rabkin, Eric S<br />
> Rachilde ><br />
#.el f Radcliffe, [Mrs] Ann {{a|17155}} (71) <br />
5- Raeper, William<br />
> Ramal, Walter ><br />
> Ramsay, Jay ><br />
:-elsf Ramuz, Charles-Ferdinand {{a|223637}} (163) <br />
> Randolph, Ellen ><br />
4- Rankin, Robert<br />
5- Ransmayr, Christoph<br />
:-elsf Ransome, Arthur {{a|74131}} (87) <br />
5.. Rasmussen, Alis A ,1958<br />
#-elsf Raspe, Rudolf Erich {{a|1980}} (19) <br />
5.. Rawn, Melanie ,1954<br />
> Rayner, Olive Pratt ><br />
2- Rayner, William<br />
:-elsf Read, [Sir] Herbert {{a|37023}} (268) <br />
3- Reamy, Tom<br />
5- Reaves, J Michael<br />
3- Redgrove, Peter<br />
5- Reed, Jeremy<br />
#.el f Reeve, Clara {{a|29851}} (16) <br />
0-el f Reeves, James {{a|82345}} (125)<br />
5- Reeves-Stevens, Garfield<br />
5.. Reeves-Stevens, Judith ,1953<br />
6.. Reichert, Mickey Zucker = Miriam S Zucker Reichert<br />
> Reid, Desmond ><br />
:-el f Reid, Forrest {{a|116057}} (38)<br />
q2..el f Reid Banks, Lynne {{a|n80028565}} (67)<br />
:-el f Remizov, Alexei {{a|208268}} (109) <br />
q0..el f Renault, Mary {{a|1384}} (51)<br />
> Reynolds, Quintus ><br />
4..elsf Rice, Anne {{a|103}} (59),1941 + {{done}}<br />
= Anne Rampling (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/n86121823 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n86-121823<br />
= A. N. Roquelaure (4) https://lccn.loc.gov/n82114065 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n82-114065<br />
> Rice, James ><br />
5- Richard, Mark<br />
> Richards, Sean ><br />
0- Richardson, Maurice<br />
:.el f Riddell, [Mrs] J H {{a|1598}} (38) <br />
4.. Riley, Judith Merkle ,1942<br />
Rivkin, J F --joint pseud. of unknown 20c writers<br />
:-el f Robbins, Tod {{a|19170}} (8)[many] <br />
3- Robbins, Tom<br />
5.. Roberson, Jennifer ,1953<br />
> Robert de Boron ><br />
> Roberts, [Sir] Charles G D > ??<br />
4- Roberts, John Maddox<br />
3- Roberts, Keith<br />
5.. Roessner, Michaela ,1950<br />
?- Rogers, Mark<br />
5- Rogers, Mark E<br />
5- Rohan, Michael Scott<br />
:-elsf Rohmer, Sax {{a|1656}} (144) <br />
> Rolt, L T C ><br />
> Ronson, Mark ><br />
3- Rooke, Leon<br />
5- Rosenberg, Joel<br />
#- '''Rosencreutz, Christian --Rosicrucian founder''' --nidb (13) https://lccn.loc.gov/n50083276 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Rosenkreuz EN]<br />
3- Rosendorfer, Herbert<br />
> Rosny aîné, J H ><br />
> Ross, Clarissa ><br />
> Ross, Dana ><br />
1- Ross, Marilyn, pseud. = William Edward Daniel Ross (one of at least 20 names) ;1912<br />
> Ross, Olin ><br />
:.el f Rossetti, Christina {{a|118364}} (150) <br />
> Rossiter, Jane ><br />
3- Roszak, Theodore<br />
> Rousseau, Jean-Jacques ><br />
5- Rovin, Jeff<br />
4- Rowley, Christopher<br />
1- Ruark, Robert C<br />
1- Rubião, Murilo ;1916<br />
6- Ruff, Matt<br />
6.. Rusch, Kristine Kathryn ,1960<br />
4- Rushdie, Salman<br />
:-el f Ruskin, John {{a|19491}} (604) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Ruskin]]<br />
> Russ, Joanna ><br />
:-elsf Russell, W Clark {{a|132202}} (121)<br />
5- Ryman, Geoff<br />
:-el f Rymer, James Malcolm {{a|20009}} (4)[many] <br />
3- Saberhagen, Fred<br />
><s> Sage, Juniper > </s> = Margaret Wise Brown (first joint with Edith Thacher Hurd)<br />
> Saint-Aubin, Horace de ><br />
:-elsf Saki {{a|1204}} (65) = Hector Hugh Munro<br />
5.. Salmonson, Jessica Amanda ,1950<br />
:-el f Salten, Felix {{a|206101}} (129) <br />
> Saltykov, Mikhail ><br />
5- Salvatore, R A ,1959<br />
q3..elsf Sampson, Fay (10)<br />
4- San Souci, Robert D<br />
1-e s Sarban = John William Wall<br />
5- Sargent, Carl<br />
4- Saunders, Charles R<br />
7.. Savage, Felicity ,1975<br />
q3..Dlsf Saxton, Josephine (5)<br />
niEN<br />
0- Scanziani, Piero<br />
4.. Scarborough, Elizabeth Ann ,1947<br />
> Scavone, Rubens Teixeira ><br />
#- '''Schikaneder, Emanuel --librettist''' --nidb (161) https://lccn.loc.gov/n82227327 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Schikaneder EN] http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=schikaneder_emanuel <br />
3- Schmidt, Dennis A<br />
5- Schweitzer, Darrell<br />
> Scithers, George H ><br />
3- Scliar, Moacyr ,1937<br />
> Scot, Michael ><br />
> Scotland, Jay ><br />
5- Scott, Allan<br />
> Scott, Jeremy ><br />
6.. Scott, Melissa ,1960<br />
5-el f Scott, Michael {{a|931}} (32 +5)<br />
#-el f Scott, [Sir] Walter {{a|2069}} (1189)<br />
2-el f Selden, George {{a|221970}} (24) +1 Terry Andrews = George Selden Thompson<br />
--The Cricket in Times Square genre?<br />
1973 The Genie of Sutton Place [https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/119610863/6D013D931E154403PQ/1?accountid=11311] NYT 1973-05-06 Spring 1973 list<br />
https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/148470239/6D013D931E154403PQ/2?accountid=11311 WP -05-13<br />
https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/170412803/6D013D931E154403PQ/3?accountid=11311 CT -06-17<br />
https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/119862161/pageviewPDF/6D013D931E154403PQ/4?accountid=11311 NYT -06-24 pageview<br />
: no ISBN "Dell, 1974, (c)1973" o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2354825]<br />
: two ISBN (c)1973 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/797094388]<br />
: ISBN 0374425302 [https://www.amazon.com/Genie-Sutton-Place-George-Selden/dp/0374425302 at Amazon] Look inside 6th printing cover art (c)1994, first Sunburst 1984 ; o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/473727550] o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/17835926] 1984 (c)1973 Sunburst ; Fo[http://www.worldcat.org/title/genie-of-sutton-place/oclc/658116/editions?start_edition=11&sd=asc&referer=di&se=yr&editionsView=true&fq=]<br />
<br />
> Sellwood, A V ><br />
2- Sendak, Maurice --illustrator mainly<br />
#- '''Seneca, Lucius Annaeus''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_the_Younger EN: Seneca the Younger]<br />
> Sernine, Daniel ><br />
4.. Service, Pamela F ,1945<br />
> Seth, Vikram ><br />
> Seton, Ernest Thompson ><br />
0- Seuss, Dr = Theodore Seuss Geisel --illustrator mainly<br />
1- Severn, David = David Storr Unwin<br />
4.. Seymour, Miranda<br />
#-elsf Shakespeare, William {{a|22499}} (7967) [[User:Pwendt/People/Shakespeare]]<br />
q0..el f Sharp, Margery {{a|19972}} (78) <br />
:-elsf Shaw, George Bernard {{a|17781}} (867) <br />
4- Shea, Michael<br />
><s> Shearing, Joseph > pseud Marjorie Bowen</s><br />
#.elsf Shelley, Mary {{a|1836}} (289) <br />
#-el f Shelley, Percy Bysshe {{a|2070}} (469) <br />
4- Shelley, Rick<br />
4- Shepard, Lucius<br />
5.. Sherman, Delia ,1951<br />
> Sherman, Frank Dempster ><br />
4.. Sherman, Josepha ,1946<br />
2- Sherrell, Carl<br />
5- Shetterly, Will<br />
:-elsf Shiel, M P {{a|4728}} (32) <br />
5.. Shinn, Sharon ,1957<br />
q1.. lwf Shuler, Linda Lay {{a|4722}} (3)<br />
niEN<br />
4.. Shwartz, Susan M ,1949<br />
> Siegel, Barbara ><br />
5- Siegel, Scott<br />
> Sienkiewicz, Henryk ><br />
?- Silke, James R<br />
3-elsf Silverberg, Robert {{a|54}} (270)<br />
0- Simak, Clifford D<br />
> Šimánek, Josef ><br />
4- Simmons, Dan<br />
1- Simpson, N F ;1919<br />
3- Sinclair, Andrew<br />
> Sinclair, Catherine ><br />
4- Sinclair, Clive<br />
:-elsf Sinclair, Upton {{a|20435}} (520) <br />
0-el f Singer, Isaac Bashevis {{a|1383}} (167) <br />
4.. Singer, Marilyn ,1948<br />
:-el f Sitwell, Sacheverell {{a|167329}} (184) <br />
> Skaldaspillir, Sigfridur ><br />
0- '''Skinner, Martyn''' --nidb; born 1906 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyn_Skinner EN stub]<br />
:- lw f Skipper, Mervyn (6)<br />
niEN, niQ<br />
4-elsf Sleator, William {{a|518}} (24)<br />
q0..el f Sleigh, Barbara {{a|30719}} (18)<br />
> Slowacki, Juliusz ><br />
5- Smeds, Dave = real name of Reed Manning<br />
:-el f Smith, Arthur D Howden {{a|15211}} (27)<br />
:-elsf Smith, Clark Ashton {{a|819}} (36) <br />
5- Smith, David C<br />
:.el f Smith, Dodie {{a|174261}} (69) <br />
6.. Smith, Julie Dean ,1960<br />
> Smith, Junius B ><br />
?- Smith, Nyx ,19xx = N(athan) Y(ale) X(avier) Smith<br />
5.. Smith, Stephanie A ,1959<br />
:-elsf Smith, Thorne {{a|1313}} (44) <br />
5.. Smoodin, Roberta ,1952<br />
5.. Snodgrass, Melinda M ,1951<br />
> Snow, Jack ><br />
> Snowdon, Evan ><br />
5.. Snyder, Midori ,1954<br />
q2..el f Snyder, Zilpha Keatley {{a|2502}} (58)<br />
> Soloviev, Vladimir ><br />
> Somadeva ><br />
5- Somtow, S P ,1952 = Somtow Papinian Sucharitku<br />
> Songweaver, Cerin ><br />
2- Sørensen, Villy ,1929<br />
:- '''Sousa, John Philip --composer''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Philip_Sousa EN]<br />
:-elsf Southesk, the Earl Of {{a|148146}} (5)<br />
https://legionmagazine.com/en/2003/01/beware-the-windigo/ --evidently from 1859/1860 diary of journey in the plains ; also<br />
1862 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/35999287]<br />
1876 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/13392480], 52-page poem -HDL <br />
1976/1899 https://lccn.loc.gov/75046307 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2317572]<br />
#-el f Southey, Robert {{a|114888}} (200) <br />
4- Souto, Marcial ,1947<br />
> Soyka, Otto ><br />
q1..el f Spark, Muriel {{a|16326}} (126)<br />
6..e f Spedding [Alison Louise] {{a|3483}} (20),1962 --no English-lang library records?<br />
:-el f Spence, Lewis {{a|19875}} (86)<br />
4- Spencer, William Browning<br />
#-el f Spenser, Edmund {{a|114708}} (205) <br />
4..el f Springer, Nancy {{a|587}} (57),1948<br />
> Spunda, Franz ><br />
4-elsf Stableford, Brian M {{a|556}} (53)<br />
> Staines, Trevor ><br />
4.. Stanton, Mary ,1947<br />
:-el f Starrett, Vincent {{a|15960}} (81)<br />
4- Stasheff, Christopher<br />
#- '''Statius, Publius Papinius''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statius EN]<br />
> Steele, V M ><br />
> Steiner, K Leslie ><br />
:-el f Stephens, James {{a|13629}} (79)<br />
> Stephens, Reed ><br />
> Sterling, George ><br />
:-el f Sterling, John {{a|2064}} (9) <br />
:.elsf Stevens, Francis {{a|2017}} (4) = Mrs Gertrude (Barrows) Bennett <br />
:-elsf Stevenson, Robert Louis {{a|1964}} (1293) <br />
5.. Stevermer, Caroline ,1955<br />
q1..el f Stewart, Mary {{a|2362}} (59)<br />
6- Stewart, Sean<br />
> Stockbridge, Grant ><br />
:-elsf Stockton, Frank R {{a|1968}} (165)<br />
:-elsf Stoker, Bram {{a|650}} (210)<br />
> Stokes, Manning Lee ><br />
0-el f Stonier, G W {{a|119544}} (12);1903<br />
4- Straub, Peter<br />
:-elsf Stribling, T S {{a|13182}} (32) <br />
4- Strickland, Brad<br />
:-el f Strindberg, August {{a|168921}} (434) <br />
> Strobl, Karl Hans ><br />
2- Strugatsky, Arkady AND(brothers)<br />
2- Strugatsky, Boris (Natanovich)<br />
0- Stuart, Francis<br />
1-elsf Sturgeon, Theodore {{a|56}} (62) <br />
> Suassuna, Ariano ><br />
> Sucharitkul, Somtow ><br />
:-el f Sue, Eugène {{a|4558}} (159) <br />
4- Süskind, Patrick<br />
q2..el f Sutcliff, Rosemary {{a|1532}} (90)<br />
> Švantner, František ><br />
3- Swahn, Sven Christer<br />
2- Swann, Thomas Burnett<br />
5- Swanwick, Michael<br />
#-elsf Swift, Jonathan {{a|303}} (540) <br />
> Swinburne, Algernon > ??<br />
3- Swithin, Antony = William Antony Swithin Sarjeant<br />
1- Symonds, John<br />
:.el f Syrett, Netta {{a|254822}} (37)<br />
+ sister-illustrator :. w .Syrett, Nellie {{a|178887}}<br />
5- Szilagyi, Steve<br />
> Takei, George ><br />
><s> Tallis, Robyn > pseud Debra Doyle</s><br />
4.. Tannen, Mary ,1943<br />
> Tarnmoor, Salvator R ><br />
5.. Tarr, Judith ,1955<br />
6.. Tartt, Donna ,1964<br />
4- Taylor, Keith<br />
3- Taylor, Roger<br />
#- '''Tchulkov, Mikhail''' --nidb --niEN.wiki --"along with the more talented writer Vasily Levshin, created Russian fantasy as a genre"<br />
q3..elsf Tennant, Emma (44)<br />
> Tenneshaw, S M ><br />
> Tennyson, Alfred Lord ><br />
> Teophilo, de Rodolpho ><br />
q2..elsf Tepper, Sheri S (34) = E E Horlak, pseud.<br />
:-el f Thackeray, William Makepeace {{a|119470}} (484)<br />
1- Themerson, Stefan<br />
3- Thomas, D M ,1935<br />
1- Thomas, Dylan ;1914<br />
4- Thomas, Roy<br />
> Thomas, Thomas T ><br />
5- Thompson, Paul B<br />
> Thompson, Ruth Plumly ><br />
> Thornley, Richard ><br />
:-elsf Thurber, James {{a|13001}} (166) <br />
:-el f Thurston, E Temple {{a|82993}} (66) <br />
> Ticheburn, Cheviot ><br />
#-el f Tieck, Johann Ludwig {{a|96093}} (151)<br />
3- Timlett, Peter Valentine<br />
:-elsf Timlin, William M {{a|146305}} (6)<br />
> Titmarsh, M A ><br />
:.el f Todd, Barbara Euphan {{a|108828}} (9) <br />
3- Todorov, Tzvetan<br />
>-el f Tolkien, Christopher {{a|2328}} (49) > J R R TOLKIEN<br />
:-elsf Tolkien, J R R {{a|302}} (230) <br />
3- Tolstoy, Nikolai<br />
> Tomline, F ><br />
> Tompkins, Wentworth ><br />
:.el f Travers, P L {{a|36455}} (65);1899 ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Mary Poppins]]<br />
1-el f Treece, Henry {{a|22756}} (79);1911<br />
4- Tremayne, Peter = Peter Berresford Ellis<br />
> Trevor, Meriol ><br />
2- Tryon, Thomas<br />
:-el f Turgenev, Ivan {{a|19779}} (531) <br />
5.. Tuttle, Lisa ,1952<br />
2- Tutuola, Amos<br />
:-elsf Twain, Mark {{a|160}} (1546) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Twain]]<br />
:-elsf Tweed, Thomas F {{a|171014}} (4)[same] 2 novels only, under 4 titles<br />
> Two Wags ><br />
> Umansky, Kaye > > (1946-? ) US writer. > Children's Fantasy.<br />
:.el f Underhill, Evelyn {{a|158871}} (90)<br />
3- Updike, John<br />
:.el f Uttley, Alison {{a|4471}} (97)<br />
><s> Vace, Geoffrey > > Hugh B Cave</s><br />
?? Van Asten, Gail ,19xx --debut 1988<br />
1-elsf Vance, Jack {{a|}};1916 (101) <br />
5..el f Vande Velde, Vivian {{a|1546}} (41),1951<br />
:-el f Vane, Sutton {{a|279823}} (13) <br />
> van Gulik, Robert > > Oriental Fantasy.<br />
><s>Van Lustbader, Eric ,1946 >Lustbader, Eric Van</s><br />
2-elsf Vansittart, Peter {{a|4462}},1920 (38) <br />
1-elsf van Vogt, A E {{a|58}};1912 (21) <br />
4- Vardeman, Robert E ,1947<br />
1- '''Veiga, José J''' --nidb {{a|}};1915 () http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=veiga_jose_j<br />
><s> Vergil > </s><br />
> Verlaine, Paul > > Decadence<br />
:-elsf Viereck, George {{a|107682}} (59)<br />
:-elsf Villiers de L'Isle-Adam, Comte De {{a|19935}} (58) <br />
:-el f Vines, Sherard {{a|160515}} (17) <br />
4.. Vinge, Joan D ,1948<br />
><s>Vipont, Elfrida > Raymond Briggs.</s> minor co-author<br />
#-el f Virgil {{a|110868}} (995) <br />
:-elsf Visiak, E H {{a|82633}} (13)<br />
:-elsf Vivian, E C {{a|6696}} (20+) --three pseudonyms, not identified at WorldCat<br />
= Charles Cannell no97041031 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no97-041031<br />
= Barry Lynd nb2007017003 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-nb2007-017003<br />
= Jack Mann no95021935 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no95-021935<br />
?.el f Volsky, Paula {{a|2246}},19xx (9) --debut 1982 <br />
> Von Aue, Hartmann > > (?1160-?1215) German chronicler. > Arthur.<br />
#-el . Von Eschenbach, Wolfram > > Arthur; Perceval. 12/13th century {{a|183029}} (86) <br />
#-el . Von Strassburg, Gottfried > > Arthur. 12/13th century {{a|222268}} (45) <br />
0-el f Wagenknecht, Edward {{a|101461}};1900 (86)<br />
4- Wagner, Karl Edward ,1945<br />
:-el f Waite, A E {{a|117721}} (97)<br />
:-el f Wakefield, H Russell {{a|14349}} (15)<br />
:-el f Waley, Arthur {{a|147813}} (106)<br />
5.. Walker, Wendy ,1951<br />
0-el f Wall, Mervyn {{a|1745}};1908 (8)<br />
2-el f Wallop, Douglass {{a|}},1920 (29) <br />
#-el f Walpole, Horace {{a|629}} (192)<br />
q0..el f Walton, Evangeline {{a|1506}} (14)<br />
4.. Wandor, Michelene ,1940<br />
0-elsf Wandrei, Donald {{a|}};1908 (3) <br />
0-el f Wandrei, Howard {{a|1149}};1909 (2)<br />
4- Wangerin, Walter Jr ,1944<br />
><br />
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><br />
4.. Warner, Marina ,1946<br />
0-elsf Warner, Rex {{a|169878}};1905 (87) <br />
:.el f Warner, Sylvia Townsend {{a|7092}} (75) <br />
5.. Warrington, Freda ,1956<br />
4- Watson, Ian ,1943<br />
5- Watt-Evans, Lawrence ,1954 = Evans, Lawrence Watt<br />
q3..el f Waugh, Sylvia (8)<br />
6- Weaver, Michael D ,1961<br />
3- Webber, Collin ,1939<br />
> Weber, Henry William > "(1783-1818) UK anthologist. See Anthologies.<br />
4- Weinberg, Robert ,1946<br />
4- Weir, Peter ,1944<br />
4.. Weis, Margaret ,1948<br />
?- Weisman, Jordan K ,????<br />
> Weiss, Jan > "(1892-1972) Czech writer. See Czech Republic; Slovakia.<br />
0- Wellman, Manly Wade {{a|}};1903 ()<br />
4- Wells, Angus ,1943<br />
:-elsf Wells, H G {{a|65}} (760) [[User:Pwendt/People/H. G. Wells]]<br />
><s> Wells, John Jay > </s> joint "See Marion Zimmer Bradley; Juanita Coulson.<br />
6.. Wells, Martha ,1964<br />
><br />
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:.el f West, [Dame] Rebecca {{a|82909}} (97) <br />
2- Westall, Robert ,1929<br />
><br />
:.el f Weston, Jessie L {{a|206062}} (50) <br />
> Wham, Tom > "(1944- ) US author. See Rose Estes.<br />
:.el f Wharton, Edith {{a|19663}} (345) <br />
2- Wharton, William ,1927 = Albert DuAime<br />
:-elsf Wheatley, Dennis {{a|4379}} (119)<br />
5- Whitbourn, John ,1958<br />
><br />
:-el f White, E B {{a|2046}} (97) <br />
0-elsf White, T H {{a|2322}} (83) <br />
:-el f Whitehead, Henry S {{a|1214}} (4)[many] <br />
3- Whittemore, Edward ,1933<br />
:-elsf Wilde, Oscar {{a|1599}} (758) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Wilde]]<br />
><br />
q3..elsf Wilder, Cherry (11)<br />
:-el f Wilder, Thornton {{a|128182}} (216) <br />
><br />
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4- Wilks, Mike ,1947 --illustrator mainly<br />
q3..el f Willard, Nancy {{a|2319}} (75)<br />
6.. Willey, Elizabeth ,1960<br />
:-elsf Williams, Charles {{a|255}} (94) <br />
above Williams, Garth ;1912 --illustrator mainly<br />
><br />
5- Williams, Michael ,1952<br />
><br />
5- Williams, Tad ,1957 = Robert Paul Williams<br />
4- Williamson, Chet ,1948 <br />
0-elsf Williamson, Jack {{a|256}};1908 (69) <br />
3-el f Williamson, J N (Gerald Neal) {{a|1436}},1932 (18) <br />
5- Williamson, Philip G ,1955<br />
4..elsf Willis, Connie {{a|99}},1945 (19)<br />
3- Wilson, Colin {{a|}},1931 ()<br />
3- Wilson, David Henry {{a|}},1937 ()<br />
4- Wilson, F Paul {{a|}},1946 ()<br />
3-elsf Wilson, Gahan {{a|1560}},1930 (55) --cartoonist<br />
><br />
><br />
5.. Windling, Terri ,1958<br />
5.. Winterson, Jeanette ,1959<br />
> Witkiewicz, Stanislaw Ignacy > "(1885-1939) Polish novelist and playwright. See Poland.<br />
:-elsf Wodehouse, [Sir] P G {{a|13508}} (477) <br />
3-elsf Wolfe, Gene {{a|171}},1931 (69)<br />
1-elsf Wollheim, Donald A {{a|826}};1914 (36) <br />
: Wollheim founded the publisher DAW Books Inc. <br />
: edited a number of science fiction anthologies and wrote the Mike Mars series and several other science fiction novels, some under the pseudonym David Grinnell)<br />
= David Grinnell https://lccn.loc.gov/no98116666 (4)<br />
3- Wongar, B ,1932<br />
4.. Wood, Bridget ,1947<br />
2- Wood, Wallace --Comics artist<br />
><br />
> Woodforde, Christopher > "(1907-1962) UK writer. See Ghost Stories for Children; James Gang.<br />
:.elsf Woolf, Virginia {{a|4308}} (320) ; :-el Leonard Woolf {{a|201306}} (104) <br />
q3..el f Woolley, Persia (9) = Janet Lois Higman Woolley<br />
:.elwf Worrell, Kathleen L {{a|263118}} (0) [2] <br />
[https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/534589102/1197313E20C477FPQ/1?accountid=11311] The Sun 1920-04-14 advertisement for April ''Physical Culture'', "Venus had spoken to this frail American girl" (only hit 'Kathleen l. worrell' 1920 1929)<br />
5.. Wrede, Patricia C ,1953<br />
:-elsf Wright, Farnsworth, ed. {{a|1130}} (1) --editor, Weird Tales<br />
q2..el f Wrightson, Patricia {{a|2364}} (26)<br />
5.. Wurts, Janny ,1953<br />
> Wyatt, Horace > "(1876-1954) US writer. See Wonderland.<br />
:-el f Wyke-Smith, E A {{a|3208}} (1)<br />
:.el f Wylie, Elinor {{a|4292}} (43)<br />
> Wylie, Jonathan = joint pseud. h/w Mark and Julia Smith<br />
4..elsf Yarbro, Chelsea Quinn {{a|360}},1942 (79+12)<br />
:-elsf Yeats, William Butler {{a|22704}} (566) <br />
4-elsf Yep, Laurence {{a|708}} (82),1948<br />
q3..elsf Yolen, Jane {{a|250}} (474)<br />
:.el f Young, Ella {{a|783}} (20)<br />
1-elsf Young, Robert F {{a|391}};1915 (6) <br />
q0..el f Yourcenar, Marguerite {{a|211321}} (110)<br />
> Záborský, Jonáš > "(1812-1876) Slovak writer. See Slovakia.<br />
3-elsf Zelazny, Roger {{a|69}},1937 (81) <br />
> Zeyer, Julius > "(1841-1901) Czech writer. See Czech Republic.<br />
4-elsf Zimmer, Paul Edwin {{a|356}},1943 (4)<br />
3-el f Zipes, Jack {{a|10593}},1937 (75)<br />
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#-el f Apuleius {{a|2066}} (178)<br />
#-el f Ariosto, Lodovico {{a|3843}} (200)<br />
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4 +elsf Achilleos, Chris {{a|56901}} (4) ,1947 .<br />
Adams, Neal ,1941 .<br />
1 +el f Addams, Charles "Chas" {{a|7218}} (28) ,1912 .<br />
: 19 Alastair '''--nidb<br />
Alcala, Alfredo P ,1925 ..<br />
4 +el f Aldridge, Alan {{a|2285}} (19) ,1943 .<br />
# +EIl f Arcimboldo, Giuseppe {{a|147500}} (8) --boldi, boldo, boldus ,1526 ..<br />
0 el f Ardizzone, Edward {{a|34128}} (163) ,1900 .<br />
> Aris, Ernest Alfred ><br />
> '''ART''' > Fantasy Art; Illustration<br />
>:. +el f Attwell, Mabel Lucy {{a|226763}} (6) > Illustration (6) ,1879 ..<br />
Ayrton, Michael ,1921 .<br />
-- -- .. Baynes, Pauline -- not in EoF !<br />
Bantock, Nick ,1949 .<br />
:. +el f Barker, Cicely Mary {{a|139279}} (36) ,1895 .<br />
0 +el f Barks, Carl {{a|31550}} (22) ,1901 ..<br />
> Barr, George ><br />
Barr, Ken ,1933 ..<br />
: el f Beardsley, Aubrey {{a|25644}} (119) ,1872 .<br />
> Beck, C C ><br />
>.. Bell, Julie ><br />
Bellamy, Frank '''--nidb<br />
Bermejo, Luis ,1931 .<br />
Bisley, Simon ,1962 ..<br />
: +el f Blampied, Edmund {{a|233191}} (6) ,1886 ..<br />
Bolton, John ,1951 ..<br />
# ENlf Bosch, Hieronymus {{a|26314}} (100) ,1450 ..<br />
Breccia, Alberto '''--nidb<br />
3 +elsf Briggs, Raymond {{a|117601}} (72) ,1934 .<br />
> Briggs, Stephen ><br />
: el f Brock, C E {{a|37686}} (60) ,1870 ..<br />
: el f Brock, H M {{a|62371}} (23) ,1875 ..<br />
>: +el f [W. H.] Brooke, William Henry {{a|258457}} (3) > Illustration -- illus. Croker 1825<br />
# el f Bruegel, Pieter {{a|121308}} (142) ,1525 ..<br />
: +el f Bull, René {{a|180200}} (7) ,1872 ..<br />
: el f Burne-Jones, [Sir] Edward {{a|26365}} (60) ,1833 .<br />
Burns, Jim ,1948 ..<br />
Burns, John M '''--nidb<br />
> "Byron" ><br />
: el f Caldecott, Randolph {{a|134537}} (85) ,1846 ..<br />
Campbell, Eddie ,1955 .<br />
Cawthorn, James ,1929 .<br />
Chaykin, Howard ,1950 ..<br />
: elsf Chesterton, G K {{a|2044}} (520) -- chiefly as writer ,1874<br />
: 19 Čiurlionis, Mykalojus Konstantinas () '''--nidb<br />
: +el f Clarke, Harry {{a|121981}} (10) ,1889 ..<br />
: +el f Coll, Joseph Clement {{a|114370}} (9) ,1881 ..<br />
Corben, Richard ,1940 .<br />
1 elsf Crandall, Reed {{a|122264}} (24) ,1917 .. <br />
: el f Crane, Walter {{a|117080}} (152) ,1845 ..<br />
Crepax, Guido ,1933 ..<br />
# el f Cruikshank, George {{a|116830}} (632) [http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/6843 Oxford DNB] born -09-27 ,1792 .<br />
: +el f Dadd, Richard {{a|116450}} (2) ,1817 ..<br />
0 el f Dalí, Salvador {{a|24855}} (293) ,1904 .<br />
Dean, Roger ,1944 ..<br />
: +el f de Bosschère, Jean {{a|153904}} (34) ,1878 <br />
Delano, Jamie '''--nidb except one interview (uncertain identity noted {{a|146025}})<br />
: +EFlf de Neuville, Alphonse Marie {{a|174616}} (12) ,1836 ..<br />
>#16 Dietterlin, Wendel {{a|108464}} (7) > Edifice ; Piranesi https://lccn.loc.gov/n87805561 ,1550 ..<br />
+elsf Di Fate, Vincent {{a|1803}} (7)<br />
>:19 Dirks, Rudolph > Comics -- Katzenjammer Kids '''--nidb<br />
Disney, Walt '''--nidb<br />
Ditko, Steve ,1927 ..<br />
: EFlf Doré, Gustave {{a|26414}} (305) ,1832 ..<br />
: el f Doyle, Richard {{a|157832}} (57) ,1824 .<br />
> Druillet, Philippe ><br />
: EFlf Dulac, Edmund {{a|105321}} (63) ,1882 .<br />
># el f Dürer, Albrecht >> [Illustration] {{a|77865}} (485) ,1471 ..<br />
4 elsf Edwards, Les {{a|25101}} (3) 1949 ..<br />
> Eggleton, Bob ><br />
1 el f Eisner, Will {{a|37770}} (98) ,1917 .. <br />
> Eleuteri-Serpieri, Paolo ><br />
Embleton, Ron ,1930 .<br />
Emett, Rowland '''--nidb<br />
: el f Ernst, Max {{a|25280}} (195) ,1891 ..<br />
: elsf Escher, M C {{a|25296}} (46) ,1898 ..<br />
> Fabian, Stephen ><br />
'''FANTASY ART''' [JG/RT] by Jon Gustafson and Ron Tiner<br />
: l f Fell, H Granville {{a|168215}} (10) ,1872 ..<br />
Fernandez, Fernando ,1940 ..<br />
> Finger, Bill (22) > [Batman co-creator] '''--nidb<br />
1 +elsf Finlay, Virgil {{a|1084}} (3) ,1914 .<br />
Firchow, Steve ,1966 ..<br />
>: +elw Fitzgerald, John Anster {{a|59091}} (0?) > Illustration ,1819 ..<br />
Fitzpatrick, Jim ,1948 .<br />
: +el f Flint, [Sir] W Russell {{a|132835}} (3) ,1880 ..<br />
Flynn, Danny ,1958 ..<br />
: el f Ford, H J {{a|120009}} (38) ,1860 ..<br />
3 +el f Foreman, Michael {{a|8283}} (159) ,1938 .<br />
: el f Foster, Harold R [Hal] {{a|113098}} (9) -- comic strip Tarzan, Prince Valiant ,1892 ..<br />
19 Fraser, Claud Lovat '''--nidb<br />
0 +el f Fraser, Eric George {{a|114951}} (4) ,1902 ..<br />
2 +elsf Frazetta, Frank {{a|1825}} (19) ,1928 ..<br />
2 +elsf Freas, Kelly {{a|488}} (17) ,1922 ..<br />
> "Fritz" ><br />
> el f Frost, Arthur Burdette [Burdett] >> [Illustration] {{a|112538}} (229) ,1851 ..<br />
4 el f Froud, Brian {{a|4048}} (37) ,1947 .<br />
: el f Furniss, Harry {{a|113861}} (41) ,1854 ..<br />
# el f Fuseli, Henry {{a|26228}} (53) ,1741 ..<br />
> Gerber, Steve ><br />
4 +EDlsf Giger, H R {{a|21090}} (20) ,1940 ..<br />
>18 Gillray, James > Comics '''--nidb<br />
Giolitti, Alberto '''--nidb<br />
> Giraud, Jean > see Moebius<br />
: +elsf Goble, Warwick {{a|26164}} (12) ,1862 ..<br />
: elsf Goldberg, Rube [R.L.] {{a|238431}} (58) ,1883 ..<br />
> "Gore" ><br />
2 elsf Gorey, Edward {{a|1880}} (194) ,1925 .<br />
<u>Goscinny and Uderzo</u><br />
= René Goscinny ,1926 (one work as writer)<br />
= Albert Uderzo ,1927 (one work as writer/illustrator)<br />
: +elsf Gould, F Carruthers {{a|228371}} (14) poor canonical name? --cartoonist ,1844 .<br />
: +EFlsf Grandville, Isidore {{a|152270}} (96) ,1803 .<br />
:.. el f Greenaway, Kate {{a|173272}} (84) ,1846 ..<br />
: + l f Griset, Ernest {{a|107748}} (17) https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n90-626969 ,1844 ..<br />
# +EDl f Grünewald, Matthias {{a|176663}} (45) ,1470 ..<br />
Gurney, James ,1958 .<br />
>.. Harris, Mabel Rollins ><br />
: el f Herriman, George {{a|24479}} (57) -- comic strip Krazy Kat ,1880 ..<br />
Hescox, Richard ,1949 ..<br />
> Higgins, Graham ><br />
<u>Hildebrandt Brothers</u><br />
3 elsf Greg {{a|8024}} (55) ,1939 .<br />
3 elsf Tim {{a|25736}} (36) ,1939 .<br />
1 el f Hogarth, Burne {{a|121762}} (31) -- comic strip Tarzan ,1911 ..<br />
'''ILLUSTRATION''' [RT] by Ron Tiner<br />
> Infantino, Carmine ><br />
.1 elsf Ingels, Graham {{a|27729}} (15) ,1915 .. <br />
-- Ipcar, Dahlov --inserted 2017-08-16 <br />
--indb chiefly as writer (below), probably known chiefly as picture book illustrator<br />
2 +el f Jacques, Robin {{a|26271}} (53) ,1920 ..<br />
Jones, Chuck --indb no data ..<br />
Jones, Jeffrey ,1944 .<br />
Jones, Peter Andrew ,1951 ..<br />
Kaluta, Michael William ,1947 ..<br />
1 +elsf Kane, Bob {{a|8501}} (204) ,1915 .<br />
: +elsf Kauffer, Edward McKnight {{a|116597}} (33) ,1890 ..<br />
2 el f Keeping, Charles {{a|78341}} (70) ,1924 ..<br />
Kelly, Ken ,1946 ..<br />
1 el f Kelly, Walt {{a|40301}} (185) -- comic strip Pogo ,1913 ..<br />
>:19 King, Frank > Comics '''--nidb<br />
Kirby, Josh ,1928 .<br />
1 elsf Krenkel, Roy G {{a|901}} (7) ,1918 .. <br />
>: +DEl f Kubin, Alfred {{a|122909}} (110) > Austria; Germany ,1877<br />
4 el f Lee, Alan {{a|3392}} (22) ,1947 .<br />
: +el f Leech, John {{a|152008}} (84) ,1817 ..<br />
: +elsf Lewis, Wyndham {{a|49201}} (139) ,1882 <br />
>: +el Leyendecker, J C {{a|223992}} (34) > Illustration ,1874 ..<br />
: +el f Lindsay, Norman {{a|30344}} (65) -- chiefly as writer ,1879 <br />
> Lleida, Rosa ><br />
: elsf Lofting, Hugh {{a|5360}} (89) -- chiefly as writer ,1886 <br />
McBride, Angus ,1931 ..<br />
6 +elsf McKean, Dave {{a|2471}} (48) ,1963 .<br />
: el f Magritte, René {{a|4858}} (110) ,1898 ..<br />
5 +elsf Maitz, Don {{a|421}} (4) ,1953 ..<br />
Manara, Milo ,1945 .<br />
Maroto, Esteban ,1942 ..<br />
# +elsf Martin, John b. 1789 {{a|118729}} (12) ,1789 ..<br />
Matthews, Rodney ,1945 (also one chapbook) ..<br />
Mattingly, David B ,1956 ..<br />
>:19 Maxon, Rex > Comics; Tarzan '''--nidb<br />
Mignola, Michael J ,1960 .<br />
: +el f Millais, [Sir] John Everett {{a|131549}} (34) ,1829 ..<br />
: el f Millar, H R {{a|37676}} (18) .1869 ..<br />
Miller, Frank ,1957 ..<br />
Miller, Ian ,1946 ..<br />
Mills, Patrick '''--nidb<br />
> Minton, John ><br />
3 +EFlsf Moebius {{a|26595}} (37) = Jean Giraud ,1938 ..<br />
> Morrill, Rowena ><br />
6 el f Morrison, Grant {{a|3231}} (165) -- indb as writer ,1960<br />
: el f Morrow, George {{a|14108}} (18) 1869 ..<br />
>.. Mozert, Zoe ><br />
# +el f Mulready, William {{a|190796}} (6) > Illustration ,1786 .<br />
: --''Butterfly's Ball'' by William Roscoe[nidb] 1807 https://lccn.loc.gov/73165023<br />
; cf Alan Aldridge {{a|2285}} 1973 edition nidb<br />
; EN.wiki ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Butterfly%27s_Ball,_and_the_Grasshopper%27s_Feast Butterfly's Ball]''<br />
Niño, Alex ,1940 ..<br />
19 Odle, Alan '''--nidb<br />
4.. el f Olivia [De Bernardinis] {{a|37135}} ,1948 ..<br />
>:.. +el f [O'Neill] O'Niell, Rose Cecil {{a|196799}} (50) > Illustration --indb as writer only ,1874<br />
Ortiz, José = Jose Ortiz Moya, Spanish comics artist ,1932 '''--nidb<br />
Otomo, Katsuhiro ,1954 .<br />
>:19 Outcoult, R F > Comics '''--nidb<br />
: +el f Papé, Frank C {{a|26984}} (24) --signed Frank C Pape and PAPE respectively https://lccn.loc.gov/n79067911 (notes, draft at [[User:Pwendt/temp]]) ,1878 ..<br />
: el f Parrish, Maxfield {{a|21111}} (70) ,1870 ..<br />
>: +el f Paton, [Sir] Joseph Noel {{a|215156}} (11) > Illustration ,1821 ..<br />
1 +elsf Peake, Mervyn {{a|2318}} (80) ,1911 .<br />
Pennington, Bruce ,1944 ..<br />
3 +el f Pieńkowski, Jan {{a|33465}} (88) -- as Pienkowski ,1936 .<br />
Pini, Richard --almost exclusively as writer ,1950 .<br />
5.. Pini, Wendy ,1951 .<br />
> Piper, John ><br />
# +elsf Piranesi, Giovanni Battista {{a|196589}} (113) ,1720 ..<br />
Ploog, Mike 1942 ..<br />
: +el f Pogány, Willy {{a|163273}} (68) -- as Pogany ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Pogany]] ,1882 .<br />
> Pratt, Hugo ><br />
: el f Pyle, Howard {{a|6311}} (188) ,1853 .<br />
: el f Rackham, Arthur {{a|34363}} (140) ,1867 ..<br />
0 +elsf Raymond, Alex {{a|29918}} (43) -- Flash Gordon ,1909 .<br />
: elsf Robinson, Charles {{a|88489}} (many) -- "referred to in the entry for W. Heath Robinson" ,1870 ..<br />
: elsf Robinson, W Heath {{a|81073}} (65) ,1872 .<br />
>: +el Rockwell, Norman {{a|115640}} (127) > ,1894 ..<br />
>:19 Ross, Charles Henry () > Comics -- The Yellow Kid '''--nidb<br />
: el f Rossetti, Dante Gabriel {{a|22705}} (183) ,1828 .<br />
: el f Rountree, Harry {{a|129171}} (7) ,1878 ..<br />
Rowena ,1944 .<br />
# 18 Rowlandson, Thomas () > Comics '''--nidb<br />
> Rubimor ><br />
>:19 St John, John Allen > Tarzan '''--nidb<br />
> Sale, Tim ><br />
Sanjulian, Manuel Perez ,1941 ..<br />
Scarfe, Gerald '''--nidb<br />
>: +el f Schoonover, Frank {{a|109163}} (34) > Illustration ,1877 ..<br />
Searle, Ronald ,1920 .<br />
Segrelles, Vi[n]cente ,1940 ..<br />
2 el f Sendak, Maurice {{a|7838}} (183) ,1928 .<br />
0 el f Seuss, Dr {{a|194995}} (190)+30+9+1 ,1904 .<br />
: el f Shepard, E H {{a|109448}} (192) ,1879 ..<br />
Sienkiewicz, Bill ,1958 ..<br />
> Sim, Dave ><br />
: el f Sime, S H [Sidney] {{a|25339}} (10) ,1867 ..<br />
>:19 Simmons, John {{a|157831}} dnf LC WorldCat () > Illustration http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=simmons_john ; d. 1876-11 ,1823 ..<br />
> Smith, Barry > = Windsor-Smith<br />
Steadman, Ralph .1936 ..<br />
>19 Stevens, Laurence > Finlay[dnf]<br />
Stout, William ,1949 .<br />
'''SURREALISM''' [GKW] by Gary K Wolfe<br />
3 +elsf Sweet, Darrell K {{a|1353}} (4) ,1934 ..<br />
> <s>Syme, Sidney Herbert > Illustration</s> --duplicates Sime<br />
Szilagyi, Steve ,1952 --indb only as novel ''Photographing Fairies''<br />
: +el f Tenniel, [Sir] John {{a|8424}} (171) ,1820 ..<br />
: +el f Thackeray, William Makepeace {{a|119470}} (484) -- chiefly as writer ,1811<br />
Thorne, Frank (3) ,1930 .<br />
Tiner, Ron = realname Tickner (author of "Fantasy Art", "Illustration") ,1940 .<br />
>.. Tourtel, Mary > Comics<br />
4 +ESlsf Vallejo, Boris {{a|1810}} (28) ,1941 ..<br />
>: el f Verbeek, Gustave [G.] {{a|185229}} (4) > Comics ,1867 ..<br />
--''Harper's'' debut likely v103 (missing at HDL); found in v104 Contents as Gustave Verbeek<br />
Vess, Charles ,1951 .<br />
>:19 Wain, Louis > Illustration '''--nidb<br />
0 +el f Wandrei, Howard {{a|1149}} (2) --chiefly as writer ,1909 <br />
>:19 Wenzell, Albert Beck > Illustration '''--nidb<br />
5 +elsf Whelan, Michael {{a|1804}} (17) ,1950 ..<br />
> White, Mel ><br />
White, Tim ,1952 .<br />
>: +DEl Wiese, Kurt {{a|122379}} (337) > Walter R Brooks ,1887 ..<br />
1 +el f Williams, Garth {{a|7320}} (139) ,1912 .<br />
6 el f Williams, Kent {{a|23090}} ,1962 ..<br />
Williamson, Al ,1931 .<br />
below Wilson, Gahan --chiefly as writer ,1930 .<br />
Windsor-Smith, Barry ,1949 ..<br />
Wood, Wallace ,1927 ..<br />
Woodroffe, Patrick ,1940 .<br />
Wrightson, Bernie ,1948 .<br />
: el f Wyeth, N C {{a|27249}} (127) ,1882 ..<br />
{{a|}} ()<br />
<br />
; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM]] (Dulac)<br />
<br />
== Author ==<br />
5.ew April Derleth {{a|24131}} --niLC niVIAF [1],1954 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/1237415] <br />
<br />
;return to this project July 2019<br />
;return again February 2023<br />
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.J. S. Goodall {{a|201678}} https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n79-055243<br />
.David Walsh, illus. --nidb --niLC https://www.worldcat.org/identities/viaf-283896982/<br />
<br />
:-els Sir (Saint) Thomas More {{a|1150}} (186)<br />
:-els John Oxenham (pseud.) {{a|119447}} (73)) = William Arthur Dunkerley<br />
<br />
<br />
''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/fe/category/author Author entries: 1781] (1343 full; 438 cross-reference)<br />
: 59 pre-1800 all done 2017-12-03 (includes Grimm duo and a few redirects) but there must be others whom i don't recognize, yet to be tagged<br />
<br />
2017-11-28 with User space cross-references to [[User:Pwendt/People]] (and subpages), [[User:Pwendt/Series]], [[User:Pwendt/FFM]]<br />
<br />
<u>Not in SFE-Fantasy</u><br />
4..el.. Karen Wynn Fonstad {{a|5941}} (7)<br />
#.el.. Mary Lamb {{a|190794}} (112) --co-author w husband Charles Lamb, below<br />
3-els. Peter Nicholls {{a|7937}} (10) --SFE co-author w John Clute <br />
4-eLLLs. Robert Reginald {{a|1103}} (46) + Michael Burgess (28) + Boden Clarke (24) <br />
= Lucas Webb (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/n86030922 ''The attempted assassination of John F. Kennedy : a political fantasy'' --one-time pseud.<br />
= C. Everett Cooper (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/n86030923 ''Up your asteroid! : A science fiction farce'' --one-time pseud.<br />
:-els. J. Jefferson Farjeon {{a|146846}} (47) <br />
1.. lw.. Joan Jefferson Farjeon {{a|78349}} (1) <br />
:-ECLLs. Josef Čapek, older brother {{a|228375}} (70) <br />
+ 6 collabs as Brothers Capek https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n88-092947<br />
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tags {{done}} --see the foot of the table <br />
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3- Aamodt, Donald<br />
4..elsf Abbey, Lynn {{a|115}} (33)<br />
:-el f Abdullah, Achmed {{a|1689}} (45) <br />
q2-EJlsf Abé, Kobo (108)<br />
:- '''À Beckett, Arthur William (1844), a younger son''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_William_%C3%A0_Beckett EN (family point of entry)]<br />
:- '''À Beckett, Gilbert Abbott (1811), father''' --nidb<br />
:- '''À Beckett, Gilbert Arthur (1837), eldest son''' --nidb<br />
6- ab Hugh, Dafydd<br />
4- Ackroyd, Peter<br />
4- Adair, Gilbert<br />
> <br />
2- Adams, Richard<br />
3- Adams, Robert<br />
:-elsf Adeler, Max {{a|1690}} (21) = LC: Charles Heber Clark<br />
4- Adkins, Patrick H<br />
:-eLsf A.E. or Æ {{a|127}} (43) +George William Russell (30) = George William Russell<br />
4.. l e Agins, Phyllis Carol {{a|4709}} (2)[same 2]<br />
1- Aickman, Robert<br />
:-el f Aiken, Conrad {{a|1202}} (133)<br />
q2..elsf Aiken, Joan {{a|582}} (140) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#The Wolves]]<br />
> lws Aiken, John > (son, brother) --indb<br />
:-e Ainsworth, William Harrison<br />
> Ajvaz, Michal > "(1949- ) Czech writer. See Czech Republic.<br />
><br />
><br />
:-EJl f Akutagawa, Ryunosuke {{a|112179}} (129) <br />
:-ew f Alan, A J {{a|78929}} --niLC [12] = Leslie Harrison Lambert<br />
:-ESlsf Alarcón, Pedro A de {{a|2060}} (186)<br />
2- Aldiss, Brian W<br />
2-el f Alexander, Lloyd {{a|691}} (78) [[User:Pwendt/People/Lloyd Alexander]]<br />
2- Alexander, Marc<br />
:- lsf Allen, F M, pseud. {{a|162102}} (11) = Edmund Downey<br />
:-elsf Allen, Grant {{a|1699}} (102) +0+0+0 <br />
4.. Allende, Isabel<br />
:-el Allingham, William (poems only indb) {{a|118550}} > "(1824-1889) UK writer. See Richard Doyle; Andrew Lang.<br />
:. w f Allonby, Edith {{a|122926}} --niLC [4] <br />
''The Fulfilment'' (1905) 2011 Kindle ed., ASIN: B005HQ4Y86 [https://www.amazon.com/Fulfilment-Edith-Allonby-ebook/dp/B005HQ4Y86 at Amazon]<br />
> Alvarenga, Lucas José D' > "(1768-1831) Brazilian writer. See Brazil.<br />
> Amadís de Gaula --work by Montalvo among others <br />
+ #-el f Montalvo, Garcí Rodríguez de {{a|169779}} (16)<br />
1- Amado, Jorge<br />
:-el f Amery, L S {{a|222063}} (41) <br />
q1..elsf Ames, Mildred {{a|3187}} (13)<br />
2- Amis, Kingsley<br />
4- Amis, Martin<br />
:-el f Andersen, Hans Christian {{a|19348}} (1687)<br />
> Anderson, Dana > "(1952- ) US writer. See Charles de Lint.<br />
> Anderson, Karen > "(1932-2018) US author and editor. See Poul Anderson.<br />
q3.. l f Anderson, Margaret J {{a|6186}} (30)<br />
niEN http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n80022988<br />
2- Anderson, Poul<br />
:- lwsf Andom, R {{a|162349}} (1)[many] = Alfred Walter Barrett<br />
> Andrade, Mário de > "(1893-1945) Brazilian writer. See Brazil.<br />
>#- '''Andreae, Johann''' > "(1586-1654) German mystic, author of The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz (1616) and Christianopolis (1619). See Alchemy; Rosicrucianism.<br />
1- Andrews, Allen<br />
q2..el f Andrews, Virginia C [V. C.] (134)<br />
:-ERlsf Andreyev, Leonid {{a|237592}} (151) <br />
> Anmar, Frank > "See Charles Beaumont; William F Nolan.<br />
:-elsf Anstey, F {{a|1697}} (63)<br />
3- Anthony, Piers<br />
5- Antrim, Donald<br />
><br />
#-el f Apel, Johann August {{a|210857}} (15) <br />
:-el f Apollinaire, Guillaume {{a|2228}} (237)<br />
#-el f Apuleius {{a|2066}} (178)<br />
> Arbes, Jakub > "(1840-1914) Czech writer. See Czech Republic.<br />
4- Arenas, Reinaldo<br />
#-el f Ariosto, Lodovico {{a|3843}} (200)<br />
#-el f Aristophanes {{a|254732}} (454) <br />
:-elsf Arlen, Michael {{a|112213}} (44)<br />
:-elsf Armstrong, Anthony {{a|15187}} (53) <br />
><br />
:-el f Armstrong, Martin {{a|14031}} (62) <br />
><br />
4.. Arnason, Eleanor <br />
> Arnim, Achim von > "(1781-1831) German folklorist. See Folklore.<br />
:-el f Arnold, [Sir] Edwin {{a|122246}} (107)<br />
:-elsf Arnold, Edwin Lester {{a|738}} (13)<br />
> Arnold, Mark Alan > "(1951-? ) US editor. See Midori Snyder; Terri Windling.<br />
?- Arscott, David --publications from 1984<br />
!q0-el f Arthur, Robert (125) = Alfred Hitchcock ghost wr/ed<br />
q0..el f Arthur, Ruth M {{a|221801}} (17) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Ruth M. Arthur]]<br />
><br />
> Artmann, H C > "(1921-2000) Austrian writer. See Austria.<br />
5.. Ash, Constance<br />
4-elsf Ashley, Mike {{a|1367}} (83) --Encyclopedia contributor<br />
?- Ashton, Charles --publications from 1991<br />
2- Asimov, Isaac<br />
4- Asprin, Robert Lynn<br />
:.el f Asquith, [Lady] Cynthia {{a|14887}} (47);1887 ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Asquith]]<br />
q:-ESl f Asturias, Miguel (154)<br />
:- w f Atkey, Bertram {{a|20306}} --niLC [several WorldCat]<br />
5- Attanasio, A A <br />
5- Attebery, Brian<br />
3? Auel, Jean M --(Jean Marie) The Clan of the Cave Bear<br />
#.el f Aulnoy, Madame D' {{a|110753}} (71) <br />
#-el f Austin, William {{a|114964}} (9)<br />
3-el f Avi {{a|6305}} (99)<br />
> Awlinson, Richard > "See Scott Ciencin; James Lowder.<br />
q0-EFlsf Aymé, Marcel (125)<br />
2- Ayrton, Michael<br />
>: Azevedo, Alvares de > "(1831-1852) Brazilian writer. See Brazil.<br />
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6.. Babbitt, Lucy Cullyford ,1960<br />
q3..el f Babbitt, Natalie {{a|3435}} (36)<br />
Bach, Richard<br />
1.. lwf Bacon, Martha {{a|162093}} (10) = Martha Oliver-Smith<br />
niEN, niQ <br />
> Bailey, Hilary ><br />
5- Bailey, Robin Wayne<br />
:-el f Bain, F W {{a|95517}} (48)<br />
1- Baker, Denys Val<br />
q0-elsf Baker, Frank (3)<br />
:- lwf Baker, George A {{a|95873}} (12)<br />
:- lwf Baker, G P {{a|221915}} (16) <br />
3- Baker, Michael<br />
4- Baker, Scott<br />
5- Baliol, Alexander<br />
4.. Ball, Margaret ,1947<br />
3- Ballard, J G<br />
#-elsf Balzac, Honoré de {{a|1596}} (785) <br />
> Banat, D R > Ray Bradbury<br />
:-elsf Bangs, John Kendrick {{a|4945}} (104) [[User:Pwendt/People/John Kendrick Bangs]]<br />
><s> Banks, Lynne Reid > </s><br />
4- Banville, John<br />
> Barclay, Bill ><br />
#-el f Barham, Richard Harris {{a|18315}} (24) (LC: Ingoldsby, Thomas, 1788-1845)<br />
:-elsf Baring, Maurice {{a|15654}} (116)<br />
:-el f Baring-Gould, S {{a|34421}} (171)<br />
5- Barker, Clive<br />
q0-el f Barks, Carl (39)<br />
> Barnes, Arthur K ><br />
> Barnett, H C ><br />
> Barnett, Lisa A ><br />
> Barnett, Paul ><br />
:-elsf Barr, Robert {{a|15670}} (2) = (pseud.) Luke Sharp<br />
> Barrett, Wilson ><br />
:-el f Barrie, [Sir] J M {{a|1967}} (392) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Barrie . Peter]]<br />
:-el f Barringer, Leslie {{a|2997}} (14)<br />
> Barrington, E ><br />
> Barrington, Michael ><br />
3- Barth, John<br />
3- Barthelme, Donald<br />
:-el f Baudelaire, Charles {{a|120635}} (433) <br />
5.. Baudino, Gael ,1955<br />
4- Bauer, Steven<br />
:-elsf Baum, L Frank {{a|162}} (391) --EN "no more links" ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Baum . Mo Yew]]<br />
3-elsf Beagle, Peter S {{a|1039}} (26)<br />
> Bean, Norman ><br />
5- Bear, Greg<br />
:-el f Beardsley, Aubrey {{a|25644}} (119) <br />
:. lwf Beauclerk, Helen {{a|132242}} (11) --wife of (EN.wiki) or lived with Edmund Dulac 1923--1953 (his death)<br />
2- Beaumont, Charles = later legalized name of Charles Leroy Nutt (1929-1967)<br />
> Beaumont, E T ><br />
><s> Beaumont, Marie Leprince de > </s><br />
:.el f Beck, L Adams {{a|4480}} (40) +7 Barrington +3 Moresby = Elizabeth Louisa Moresby<br />
q0-el f Beckett, Samuel (297)<br />
#-el f Beckford, William {{a|630}} (72)<br />
> Bécquer, Gustavo Adolfo ><br />
:-elsf Bedford-Jones, H {{a|2012}} (27)<br />
:-elsf Beerbohm, Max {{a|20194}} (146)<br />
:-elsf Begbie, Harold {{a|120103}} (89)<br />
:-el f Belasco, David {{a|132289}} (153)<br />
5.. Bell, Clare .1952<br />
6- Bell, Douglas<br />
:-elsf Bell, Neil {{a|94681}} (60) = Stephen Southwold<br />
3-el f Bellairs, John {{a|1495}} (42)<br />
5.. Belle, Pamela ,1952<br />
2- Bemmann, Hans<br />
:-elsf Benét, Stephen Vincent {{a|762}} (169)<br />
:-elsf Benét, William Rose {{a|25042}} (65)<br />
> Bennett, Anna Elizabeth ><br />
:-elsf Bennett, Arnold {{a|2461}} (336)<br />
> Bennett, John ><br />
:-elsf Benson, A C {{a|1665}} (113) = "B"<br />
:-elsf Benson, E F {{a|1666}} (188)<br />
:-elsf Benson, Robert Hugh {{a|1957}} (63)<br />
:.elsf Benson, Stella {{a|20397}} (32)<br />
5.. Berberick, Nancy Varian ,1951<br />
:.el f Beresford, Elisabeth {{a|93973}} (20)<br />
2- Berger, Thomas<br />
> Bernanos, Georges ><br />
2- Bernanos, Michel<br />
1- Bertram, Noel = Joseph Noel Thomas Boston<br />
:-elsf Besant, Sir Walter {{a|2037}} (218)<br />
6-elsf Betancourt, John Gregory {{a|183}} (23)<br />
3- Bethancourt, T Ernesto = Tomàs Ernesto Bethancourt Passailaigue<br />
> Bibiana, Jean Galli de ><br />
:-elsf Bierce, Ambrose {{a|1960}} (143)<br />
1- Bioy Casares, Adolfo<br />
q0-el f Birkin, Charles (0) = real name of Charles Lloyd<br />
4- Bishop, Michael<br />
4- Bisson, Terry<br />
2- Bixby, Jerome<br />
> Black, Robert ><br />
> Blacklin, Malcolm ><br />
:-elsf Blackwood, Algernon {{a|1126}} (76)<br />
> Blade, Alexander ><br />
#-el f Blake, William {{a|2071}} (570) <br />
1- Blamires, Harry<br />
2- Blatty, William Peter<br />
:.el f Blavatsky, [Madame] H P {{a|19737}} (118) <br />
5- Blaylock, James P<br />
:-elsf Blayre, Christopher (pseud.) {{a|118327}} (47) = Edward Heron-Allen<br />
2-elsf Bleiler, E F {{a|307}} (33) <br />
5-els Bleiler, Richard > [son] {{a|21219}} (12) <br />
2- Blish, James<br />
> Blishen, Edward ><br />
><s> Blixen, Karen > </s><br />
1- Bloch, Robert<br />
6.. Block, Francesca Lia ,1962<br />
> Bloggsleigh, Aubrey Tyndall ><br />
3- Bloom, Harold<br />
> Blyth, James ><br />
> Blyton, Enid ><br />
#-el f Boccaccio, Giovanni {{a|127910}} (464) <br />
5.. Bohnhoff, Maya Kaathryn ,1954<br />
#- '''Boiardo, Matteo Mario, Count of Scandiano''' > --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matteo_Maria_Boiardo EN]<br />
1- Bok, Hannes = Wayne Woodard<br />
> Bond, Michael ><br />
4.. Bond, Nancy ,1945<br />
q0-elsf Bond, Nelson S (13)<br />
> Bonfiglioli, Kyril ><br />
3- Bontly, Thomas<br />
:-elsf Boothby, Guy {{a|20823}} (35)<br />
:-elsf Borges, Jorge Luis {{a|1125}} (460) <br />
> Boron, Robert de ><br />
:.el f Boston, Lucy M {{a|6495}} (40) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#L. M. Boston]]<br />
> Boston, Noel ><br />
> Botto, Ján ><br />
1- Boucher, Anthony = William Anthony Parker White<br />
:.eLLLf Bowen, Marjorie {{a|12578}} (107) +15 Preedy +14 Shearing <br />
= Robert Paye[--niLC]<br />
= George Preedy <br />
= Joseph Shearing <br />
= John Winch https://lccn.loc.gov/no97058533 (0)<br />
5- Bowkett, Stephen<br />
5. Boyer, Elizabeth H ,1952<br />
6- Boyett, Steven R<br />
> Bozic, Stretan ><br />
q1..elsf Brackett, Leigh {{a|334}} (36)<br />
> Bradbury, Edward P ><br />
2- Bradbury, Ray<br />
:.el f Braddon, Mary E {{a|78925}} (221) <br />
5- Bradfield, Scott<br />
q3..elsf Bradley, Marion Zimmer (116)<br />
5.. Bradshaw, Gillian ,1956<br />
:-elsf Bramah, Ernest {{a|377}} (33)<br />
> Brand, Max ><br />
> Brandner, Gary ><br />
3- Brautigan, Richard<br />
1- Brennan, Joseph Payne<br />
5- Brenner, Mayer Alan<br />
5- Brennert, Alan<br />
> Brentano, Clemens ><br />
> Brice, Martin H ><br />
:.el f Briggs, Katharine M {{a|109054}} (36) <br />
3- Briggs, Raymond<br />
> Briggs, Stephen ><br />
6.. Brite, Poppy Z ,1967<br />
4? Brittain, C Dale ,1948<br />
> Brod, Max ><br />
:.el f Brontë, Charlotte {{a|1698}} (334) <br />
4- Brooke, William J<br />
4- Brooks, Terry<br />
:-elsf Brooks, Walter R {{a|6256}} (73) <br />
q2..elsf Brophy, Brigid (47) <br />
> Brosnan, John ><br />
:.elsf Broster, D K {{a|20860}} (17) <br />
#-el f Brown, Charles Brockden {{a|109144}} (94) <br />
q0-EJlsf Brown, Fredric (56)<br />
2- Brown, George Mackay<br />
!q1..el f Brown, Margaret Wise {{a|164720}} (283+)<br />
= as Juniper Sage, joint https://lccn.loc.gov/n79108845<br />
q2..el f Brown, Mary {{a|1877}} (7)[13]<br />
> Brown, Will ><br />
:-el f Browning, Robert {{a|4192}} (510)<br />
4..el f Broxon, Mildred Downey {{a|1553}} (3)[7],1944<br />
3- Brunner, John<br />
5- Brust, Steven<br />
> Bryan, Michael ><br />
4- Bryant, Edward<br />
:-elsf Buchan, John {{a|3627}} (208)<br />
:- '''Büchner, Georg --German dramatist mainly''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_B%C3%BCchner EN]<br />
#-el f Bulfinch, Thomas {{a|20326}} (76) <br />
:-elsf Bulgakov, Mikhail {{a|234949}} (180)<br />
5.. Bull, Emma ,1954<br />
:-el f Bullett, Gerald {{a|19971}} (78) = (pseud., non-genre?) Sebastian Fox<br />
2- Bulmer, Kenneth<br />
:-elsf Bulwer-Lytton, [Sir] Edward, First Baron Lytton {{a|2019}} (406)<br />
><s> Bulwer-Lytton, Robert > </s> = Edward Bulwer-Lytton<br />
4- Bunch, Chris<br />
#-el f Bunyan, John {{a|34400}} (189+) <br />
:.eLLsf Burdekin, Katherine {{a|3081}} (9) +4 Constantine<br />
= Murray Constantine (4)<br />
><s> Burdekin, Kay > </s><br />
q3..el f Burford, Lolah (6)<br />
1- Burgess, Anthony = John Anthony Burgess Wilson<br />
:-el f Burgess, Gelett {{a|15655}} (70)<br />
:.el f Burnett, Frances Hodgson {{a|4178}} (330)<br />
> Burgess, Thornton W ><br />
5- Burns, Richard<br />
:-el f Burrage, A M {{a|6518}} (7)<br />
:-elsf Burroughs, Edgar Rice {{a|143}} (347)<br />
> Burroughs, Joseph B ><br />
1- Burroughs, William S<br />
> Burton, [Sir] Richard ><br />
4.. Bushyager, Linda E ,1947<br />
:.el f Butts, Mary {{a|82905}} (19) <br />
q3..el f Byatt, A S (65)<br />
#-elsf Byron, Lord {{a|19966}} (607) <br />
:-elsf Cabell, James Branch {{a|341}} (123)<br />
2- Cabrera Infante, Guillermo<br />
> Cain, G ><br />
> Calado, Ivanir ><br />
q2..elsf Caldecott, Moyra (16) = real name of Olivia Brown <br />
NEED inform SFE<br />
> Calhoun, Mary ><br />
3- Callander, Don<br />
:-Nlw f Calthrop, Dion Clayton {{a|173606}} (38) <br />
2- Calvino, Italo<br />
q1..elsf Cameron, Eleanor {{a|1508}} (27)<br />
> Cameron, John ><br />
> Campbell, Angus ><br />
4- Campbell, Ramsey<br />
> Cannell, Charles Henry ><br />
:-ECLLsf Čapek, Karel {{a|161}} (300) + 6 collabs as Brothers Capek https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n88-092947<br />
:-elsf Capes, Bernard {{a|2083}} (16) <br />
> Capitano, Il ><br />
> Capote, Truman ><br />
5-elsf Card, Orson Scott {{a|15}} (126)<br />
4- Carey, Peter<br />
4.. Carl, Lillian Stewart ,1949<br />
> Carlsen, Chris ><br />
#-el f Carlyle, Thomas {{a|113667}} (440) <br />
> Carpenter, Leonard ><br />
q0-ellsf Carr, John Dickson (120+40+) = Carter Dickson &c<br />
3- Carr, Terry<br />
4- Carroll, Jonathan<br />
:-eLsf Carroll, Lewis {{a|3059}} (827) +Dodgson (25) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Carroll . Alice]]; [[User:Pwendt/People/Lewis Carroll]]<br />
> Carryl, Charles E ><br />
4..elsf Carter, Angela {{a|1172}} (56),1940 ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Angela Carter]]<br />
3-elsf Carter, Lin {{a|353}} (35) <br />
> Carter, Marilyn ><br />
> Case, Justin ><br />
1- Cave, Hugh B<br />
2-lwsf Cawthorn, James {{a|4126}} (3)<br />
#-el f Cazotte, Jacques {{a|4125}} (30) <br />
#-el f Cervantes, Miguel de Saavedra {{a|170356}} (1541) <br />
4- Chalker, Jack L<br />
3- Chambers, Aidan<br />
:-elsf Chambers, Robert W {{a|385}} (140) <br />
#-el f Chamisso, Adelbert von {{a|122107}} (103) <br />
4.. Chant, Joy ,1945<br />
:.el f Chapman, Vera {{a|1509}} (1) <br />
q3..elsf Charnas, Suzy Mckee (14)<br />
[Charnas: EoF later removed, oocities restored; EoF restored 2023-0216<br />
5- Charrette, Robert N<br />
3- Charyn, Jerome<br />
> Chase, Mary ><br />
#-el f Chaucer, Geoffrey {{a|107557}} (603) <br />
1- Cheever, John<br />
4..elsf Cherryh, C J {{a|16}} (94),1942<br />
4- Chesbro, George C<br />
:-elsf Chesterton, G K {{a|2044}} (526)<br />
6.. Chetwin, Grace ,1964<br />
1-elsf Chetwynd-Hayes, R {{a|1694}} (7+1)<br />
> Chew, Ruth ><br />
4.. Chin, M Lucie ,1947<br />
:.el f Chopin, Kate {{a|19535}} (65) <br />
#-el f Chrétien de Troyes {{a|198209}} (152) <br />
2-elsf Christopher, John {{a|378}} (59) + pseudonyms = Sam Youd<br />
6- Ciencin, Scott<br />
><s> Clare, Helen > </s> = Pauline Clarke<br />
? Clark, Douglas W<br />
> Clarke, A V ><br />
3- Clarke, Lindsay ,1939<br />
.eLL f Clarke, Pauline {{a|16164}} (17+10+2),1921 = Helen Clare, etc<br />
?.? Clayton, Jo<br />
3- Clement, Aeron<br />
:.el f Clifford, Lucy Lane (Mrs. W. K.) {{a|24047}} (34) <br />
3- Cline, C Terry Jr.<br />
5.. Clough, B W ,1955 = Brenda Clough<br />
4-elsf Clute, John {{a|147}} (11)<br />
:.el f Coatsworth, Elizabeth {{a|76881}} (132)<br />
> Cobalt, Martin ><br />
:-el f Cobb, Irvin S {{a|17681}} (90) <br />
4.. Cochran, Molly ,1949<br />
:-EFl f Cocteau, Jean {{a|86397}} (407) <br />
4- Cole, Adrian ,1949<br />
4- Cole, Allan<br />
> Coleman, Clare ><br />
#-el f Coleridge, Samuel Taylor {{a|22140}} (448) <br />
:.el f Coleridge, Sara {{a|83813}} (21) <br />
0-elsf Collier, John {{a|1160}} (30)<br />
5.. Collins, Nancy A ,1959<br />
:-el f Collins, Wilkie {{a|2034}} (297) <br />
:-el f Collodi, Carlo {{a|9486}} (294) <br />
3- Colombo, John Robert<br />
>:-el . Colum, Padraic {{a|122434}} (138) > ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Padraic Colum]]<br />
> Colvin, James ><br />
> Comfort, Montgomery ><br />
q0..elsf Comyns, Barbara {{a|6584}} (13)<br />
4.. Conford, Ellen ,1942<br />
2- Connell, Evan E<br />
:-elsf Conrad, Joseph {{a|19447}} (584) <br />
4- Conrad, Peter<br />
><s> Constantine, Murray > </s><br />
5- Constantine, Storm<br />
:-el f Conway, Hugh {{a|142380}} (42) = Frederick John Fargus <br />
4- Cook, Glen<br />
5- Cook, Hugh<br />
4- Cook, Rick<br />
6.. Cooke, Catherine ,1963<br />
5.. Cooper, Louise ,1952<br />
q3..elsf Cooper, Susan {{a|2436}} (56)<br />
3- Coover, Robert<br />
:-el f Coppard, A E {{a|1201}} (57) <br />
3- Corbett, W J<br />
:.elsf Corelli, Marie {{a|1966}} (112) <br />
3- Corlett, William<br />
:-el f Corley, Donald {{a|17493}} (5) <br />
2- Cormier, Robert<br />
5.. Corran, Mary ,1953<br />
1- Cortázar, Julio<br />
5- Costikyan, Greg<br />
q3..elsf Coulson, Juanita (8)<br />
q1..el f Counselman, Mary Elizabeth {{a|1215}} (1)<br />
5-elsf Coville, Bruce {{a|1453}} (94) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Magic Shop]]<br />
5- Cox, Greg<br />
> Cox, Palmer ><br />
4- Crace, Jim<br />
:.el f Craik, Mrs {{a|125079}} (186) = Miss Mulock, Dinah Maria Mulock Craik<br />
:-el f Cram, Ralph Adams {{a|17789}} (59) <br />
5.. Crawford, Betty Anne ,1952<br />
:-el f Crawford, F Marion {{a|3423}} (153)<br />
:-elsf Crawshay-Williams, Eliot {{a|186820}} (18) <br />
> Cray, Roberta ><br />
> Crayon, Geoffrey ><br />
#-el f Crébillon, Claude-Prosper Jolyot de {{a|225214}} (60) <br />
q3..el f Cresswell, Helen {{a|3615}} (54)<br />
: lwsf Creswick, Paul {{a|204013}} (4)[many] <br />
> Crichton, Michael ><br />
>#-el Croker, Thomas Crofton > {{a|122486}} (41)<br />
> Crompton, Richmal ><br />
1-lwsf Cross, John Keir {{a|6602}} (15) <br />
> Crow, Levi ><br />
:-el f Crowley, Aleister {{a|6606}} (123) <br />
4- Crowley, John<br />
4- Crowther, Peter<br />
2- Cuddon, J A ,1928<br />
> Cuiscard, Henri ><br />
2- Cullen, Seamus = James Serwer<br />
: lsf Cummins, Harle Oren {{a|20329}} (1)[1 only] http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n2006-075346 <br />
> Cunningham, Allan ><br />
q3..el f Curry, Jane Louise {{a|3266}} (38) --Beneath the Hill sequence "set partly in Wales and partly in the USA, where a community of Welsh Elves has established a Wainscot existence"<br />
1-elsf Dahl, Roald {{a|508}} (155)<br />
4- Dalby, Richard<br />
5.. Dalkey, Kara ,1953<br />
4.. Dalton, Annie ,1948<br />
#- lwf Dalton, James {{a|148317}} (3) <br />
> Daly, Hamlin ><br />
> Dana, Rose ><br />
:.elsf Dane, Clemence {{a|19199}} (82) <br />
4- Dann, Colin<br />
4- Dann, Jack<br />
#-elsf Dante Alighieri {{a|137127}} (1211) <br />
?.. Darby, Lyndan --joint pseud. Ann Grimsley (? - ), Lynne Kinnerley (? - )<br />
> D'Arcy, Jack ><br />
:-el f Darlington, W A {{a|186990}} (22) <br />
> Darmancour, P ><br />
:-elsf Davey, Norman {{a|199699}} (25) <br />
2- Davidson, Avram<br />
1- Davies, Robertson<br />
4.. Davis, Grania ,1943<br />
:-el f Dawson, Coningsby W {{a|157528}} (44) <br />
> Dawson, William J ><br />
> Day, J Wentworth ><br />
5.. Dean, Pamela ,1953<br />
><s> de Beaumont, Marie Leprince > </s><br />
q0..EFlsf de Beauvoir, Simone {{a|4483}} (131) <br />
5- de Bernieres, Louis<br />
q0-elsf de Camp, L Sprague (112)<br />
4- DeChancie, John<br />
:- w f de Comeau, Alexander {{a|130947}} --niLC [3] --YoB unknown, first book publ 1927<br />
:-elsf Deeping, Warwick {{a|6702}} (140) <br />
#-elsf Defoe, Daniel {{a|1900}} (801) <br />
6- de Haan, Tom = pseud.<br />
4- de Haven, Tom<br />
5- Deitz, Tom<br />
><s> de La Fontaine, Jean > </s><br />
:-el f de La Mare, Walter {{a|11634}} (277)<br />
4- Delany, Samuel R<br />
3- de Larrabeiti, Michael<br />
5- de Lint, Charles<br />
:-el f de Maupassant, Guy {{a|1958}} (431) <br />
:-el f de Morgan, William {{a|187146}} (16) <br />
5- Denning, Troy<br />
5- Dennis, Ian<br />
q0-elsf Derleth, August W (201)<br />
#-el f de Sade, Marquis {{a|109031}} (131) <br />
5- Dever, Joe<br />
4- Devereaux, Robert<br />
5.. Dexter, Susan ,1955<br />
4- Diamond, Graham<br />
4.. Dibell, Ansen ,1942 = pseud Nancy Ann Dibble<br />
q1..elsf Dick, Kay {{a|145463}} (14+3)<br />
> Dick, R A ><br />
:-elsf Dickens, Charles {{a|1572}} (2196) <br />
2-elsf Dickinson, Peter {{a|1442}} (95)<br />
:-el f Dickinson, W Croft {{a|20183}} (11)[many] g<br />
> Dickson, Carter ><br />
2- Dickson, Gordon R<br />
> Dikty, Thaddeus E ><br />
:.eLLsf Dinesen, Isak (61) +37 KBlixen +1 Andrézel = {{a|Karen Blixen}}<br />
= Tania Blixen https://lccn.loc.gov/no95003726 (0)<br />
= Pierre Andrézel https://lccn.loc.gov/no95003714 (1)<br />
= Osceola https://lccn.loc.gov/n2011003005 (0)<br />
> Dionnet, Jean-Pierre ><br />
4- Disch, Thomas M<br />
4.. Diski, Jenny ,1947<br />
:-elsf Disraeli, Benjamin {{a|16821}} (161) <br />
3- Doctorow, E L<br />
> Domecq, H Bustos ><br />
4- Donaldson, Stephen R<br />
>: Donnelly, Ignatius > ANTHROPOLOGY https://lccn.loc.gov/n80005270 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_L._Donnelly EN]<br />
><s> Doolittle, Hilda > </s><br />
> Dorset, Ruth ><br />
4.. Douglas, Carole Nelson ,1944<br />
:-elsf Douglas, Norman {{a|19173}} (97) <br />
:. lwwf Douglas, Theo (2) = {{a|Henrietta D. Everett}}, Mrs. H. D. Everett<br />
= Julia Douglas https://lccn.loc.gov/nr95025284 (0)<br />
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-nr95-025284 (conflates) o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/81981668]<br />
:-elsf Doyle, [Sir] Arthur Conan {{a|1131}} (787)<br />
5..elsf Doyle, Debra {{a|470}} (20),1952 + joint pseudonyms<br />
><s>Drake, Burgess > </s> = H.B.<br />
4- Drake, David A<br />
:-elw f Drake, H B {{a|136904}} (13)[many] <br />
> Dreadstone, Carl ><br />
> Dreher, Sarah ><br />
3? Drew, Wayland ,1932<br />
: lw f Drummond, Hamilton {{a|126745}} (13)[many] <br />
><s> Dryasdust > </s><br />
5..elsf Duane, Diane E {{a|97}} (54),1952<br />
> Dufays, Baudelaire ><br />
:-elsf Dumas, Alexandre père {{a|2024}} (1260)<br />
q0..elsf Du Maurier, Daphne {{a|864}} (156) <br />
3- Duncan, Dave<br />
:. lwf Dunn, [Mrs] Gertrude {{a|226115}} (as 12)<br />
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-dunn,%20gertrude (retired identity)<br />
:.Dl f G. Colmore, who was Gertrude Colmore Dunn for a time, {{a|186701}} (as 12)<br />
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n84-021617 (combined identity, following LC?)<br />
> Dunne, J W ><br />
:-elsf Dunsany, Lord {{a|823}} (129)<br />
> Durrell, Gerald ><br />
:-elsf Dwyer, James Francis {{a|15651}} (13) <br />
:-ew f Dyalhis, Nictzin {{a|766}} --niLC [2] <br />
> Dyrenforth, James ><br />
5- Dziemianowicz, Stefan R<br />
1-el f Eager, Edward {{a|6033}} (37) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Tales of Magic / Eager]]<br />
4- Easton, M Coleman<br />
3- Eco, Umberto<br />
3- Eddings, David<br />
:-elsf Eddison, E R {{a|169}} (15)<br />
4.. Edgerton, Teresa ,1949<br />
>:.el f Edwards, Amelia B > Ghost Stories [post-Gothic, Dickens successor] {{a|16355}} (39) <br />
4.. Edwards, Claudia J ,1943<br />
5.. Egan, Doris ,1955<br />
><s> Egbert, Floyd C ></s> = KENNETH MORRIS<br />
4.. Eisenstein, Phyllis ,1946<br />
> Eldridge, Paul ><br />
q0-ERlsf Eliade, Mircea (199)<br />
> Eliot, T S ><br />
3- Elkin, Stanley<br />
q3..elsf Elliott, Janice (23)<br />
> Elliott, Kate ><br />
><s> Ellison, Harlan </s> --deleted from SFE-F in favor of SFE3<br />
> Emerson, Jane ><br />
4.. Emerson, Ru ,1944<br />
5- Emery, Clayton<br />
[Tales of Robin Hood (1988) "set in a Britain rooted in Magic, and features a Robin Hood intimate with those roots<br />
q2..elsf Emshwiller, Carol {{a|1274}} (13)<br />
2-EDl f Ende, Michael {{a|1513}} (60)<br />
q0-elsf Endore, Guy (40)<br />
:-el f Erckmann-Chatrian --joint pseud. {{a|6711}} (54)<br />
5- Erickson, Steve<br />
> Ericson, Eric ><br />
4.. Erskine, Barbara ,1944<br />
:-el f Erskine, John {{a|160721}} (136) --mentioned concerning Twain's Adam and Eve<br />
1- Eshbach, Lloyd Arthur<br />
> Estes, Eleanor ><br />
?.. Estes, Rose ,19xx<br />
4- Etchison, Dennis<br />
#-el f Euripides {{a|151942}} (798)<br />
><s> Everett, H D > Theo Douglas </s><br />
:-elsf Ewers, Hanns Heinz {{a|19730}} (46)<br />
> Ewing, Juliana H ><br />
> Ex-Private X ><br />
> Fabyan, Robert ><br />
q0-el f Fagunwa, D O (15)<br />
4.. Fakinou, Eugenia ,1945<br />
:.el f Falconer, Lanoe {{a|82945}} (6) = Mary Elizabeth Hawker<br />
:-el f Falkner, J Meade {{a|112729}} (21)<br />
:-el f Farjeon, B L {{a|186036}} (84) --father (father, grandfather)<br />
:.el f Farjeon, Eleanor {{a|112169}} (149) --daughter (sister, aunt)<br />
q3..el f Farmer, Penelope {{a|5978}} (40)<br />
1- Farmer, Philip José<br />
5- Farrington, Geoffrey = Geoffrey Smith<br />
> Faulcon, Robert ><br />
4- Feist, Raymond E<br />
2- Felitta, Frank de<br />
> Fell, Andrew ><br />
#-el f Fénelon, François de Salignac de la Mothe {{a|215266}} (241) (La Mothe-Fénelon at ISFDB)<br />
> Fenn, Lionel ><br />
5- Fergusson, Bruce<br />
0- Fessier, Michael<br />
:-el f Field, Eugene {{a|16819}} (141) --Sr, senior<br />
> Field, Gans T ><br />
:.el f Field, Rachel {{a|168466}} (68)<br />
5- Findley, Nigel<br />
3- Findley, Timothy<br />
0- Finney, Charles G<br />
1- Finney, Jack = Walter Braden Finney<br />
:-el f Firbank, Ronald {{a|227015}} (41)<br />
><s> Firth, Violet M > </s><br />
> Fischer, Harry ><br />
> Fischer, Marjorie ><br />
6- Fisher, Paul R<br />
4.. Fisk, Pauline ,1948<br />
> Fiske, Tarleton ><br />
:-el f Fitzgerald, F Scott {{a|20115}} (247) <br />
:-el f Flaubert, Gustave {{a|2053}} (381) <br />
:-elsf Flecker, James Elroy {{a|19645}} (25)<br />
> Fleming, Ian ><br />
> Fletcher, George U ><br />
4- Flint, Kenneth C<br />
> Flynn, Casey ><br />
:-elsf Ford, Ford Madox {{a|70501}} (203) <br />
5- Ford, John M<br />
4- Ford, Richard<br />
:-elsf Forster, E M {{a|1969}} (203) <br />
:.eLL f Fortune, Dion {{a|5931}} (42) +7 Firth = Violet Mary Firth Evans<br />
4- Foster, Alan Dean<br />
#-el f Fouqué, Friedrich, Baron de la Motte {{a|16358}} (91) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Fouque]]<br />
5- Fowler, Christopher<br />
2- Fowles, John<br />
1- Fox, Gardner F<br />
:-elsf France, Anatole {{a|16830}} (422) <br />
3- Frank, Frederick S<br />
5.. Franklin, Cheryl J ,1955<br />
: lwsf Fraser, [Sir] Ronald {{a|102033}} (25) --niEN <br />
4- Frayling, Christopher<br />
3- Frayn, Michael<br />
:-el f Frazer, [Sir] James {{a|189007}} (116) = ISFDB: J. G. Frazer<br />
1- Frazer, Shamus = James Ian Arbuthnot Frazer<br />
:.el f Freeman, Mary E Wilkins {{a|2086}} (99) <br />
5- Friedman, Michael Jan<br />
5.. Friesner, Esther ,1951<br />
:-elsf Friswell, Hain {{a|179491}} (29)<br />
4- Frith, Nigel<br />
5- Frost, Gregory<br />
5- Frost, Mark<br />
1- Frye, Northrop<br />
3- Fryer, Donald S<br />
2- Fuentes, Carlos<br />
3- Fuller, John<br />
5.. Furey, Maggie ,1955<br />
q3..el f Furlong, Monica (37)<br />
5? Gaarder, Jostein ,1952<br />
5.. Gabaldon, Diana ,1952<br />
6-elsf Gaiman, Neil {{a|410}} (179)<br />
> Gaines, William M ><br />
> Galland, Antoine ><br />
:- Gallico, Paul<br />
><s> Gallister, Michael > </s><br />
> Gallon, Tom ><br />
> Galt, John ><br />
:-eLsf Ganpat {{a|127698}} (16) +Ganpat (13) = Gompertz<br />
2- García Márquez, Gabriel<br />
4- Garcia Y Robertson, R<br />
1.. lwf Gard, Joyce {{a|109672}} (6) = pseud Joyce Reeves<br />
niEN, niQ<br />
4- Gardner, Craig Shaw<br />
3-elsf Gardner, John {{a|3087}} (61)<br />
2-el f Garfield, Leon {{a|5885}} (82)<br />
3-elsf Garner, Alan<br />
:. '''Garnett, Constance --translator mainly, daughter-in-law''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Garnett EN]<br />
:-elsf Garnett, David {{a|1629}} (73), grandson<br />
:-elsf Garnett, Edward {{a|146874}} (53), son<br />
:-elsf Garnett, Richard {{a|2039}} (95)<br />
> Garou, Louis P ><br />
2- Garrett, Randall<br />
> Gascoigne, Bamber ><br />
6- Gascoigne, Marc<br />
4..elsf Gaskell, Jane {{a|3845}} (15);1941<br />
> Gautier, Judith ><br />
:-el f Gautier, Théophile {{a|2028}} (302)<br />
1- Gawsworth, John = (Terence Ian) Fytton Armstrong<br />
5.. Geary, Patricia ,1951<br />
4.. Gedge, Pauline ,1945<br />
4- Gemmell, David A<br />
5.. Gentle, Mary ,1956<br />
#-el f Geoffrey of Monmouth {{a|110957}} (44) <br />
:-elsf Giesy, John Ulrich {{a|1908}} (7)<br />
:-el f Gilbert, William {{a|2035}} (6)<br />
:-el f Gilbert, [Sir] W S {{a|2036}} (597)<br />
3 Gilliland, Alexis A ,1931<br />
?.. Gilluly, Sheila ,19xx<br />
5.. Gilman, Greer Ilene ,1951<br />
> Gilmer, Ann ><br />
2- Godwin, Parke<br />
#-el f Godwin, William {{a|1983}} (139)<br />
#-el f Goethe, Johann W {{a|2065}} (2087) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Faust]]<br />
:-el f Gogol, Nikolai {{a|237483}} (543)<br />
1- Gold, Horace L<br />
q:-elsf Golding, Louis (83)<br />
1-elsf Golding, [Sir] William {{a|785}} (51) <br />
3- Goldman, William<br />
5.. Goldstein, Lisa ,1953<br />
4- Goodkind, Terry<br />
> Gopaleen, Myles na ><br />
> Gordon, Frances ><br />
2- Gordon, John<br />
2- Gorey, Edward<br />
!q0..el f Goudge, Elizabeth {{a|5825}} (100)<br />
3- Goulart, Ron<br />
:-elsf Gourmont, Rémy de {{a|15620}} (118)<br />
#- '''Gozzi, Carlo''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Gozzi EN]<br />
5.. Grabien, Deborah ,1954<br />
:-elsf Grabiński, Stefan {{a|167301}} (8)<br />
:-el f Grahame, Kenneth {{a|2306}} (222) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Grahame . TWitW]]<br />
Grainville, Jean Cousin de ><br />
4- Grant, Charles L<br />
q0..el f Grant, Joan {{a|146932}} (33) = pseud (first marriage name of) Joan Marshall Kelsey <br />
4-elsf Grant, John {{a|123992}} (23),1949 = Paul (le Page) Barnett<br />
5.. Grant, Kathryn ,1952 + historical romance under pseudonyms<br />
> Granville-Barker, Harley ><br />
2- Grass, Günter<br />
3- Gray, Alasdair<br />
1- Gray, Nicholas Stuart<br />
1-elsf Green, Roger Lancelyn {{a|10828}} (94), father of Richard L G<br />
4- Green, Roland J<br />
4.. Green, Sharon ,1942<br />
5- Green, Simon R<br />
4- Green, Terence M<br />
4- Greenberg, Martin H<br />
5- Greenland, Colin<br />
:-elwf Greenwood, James {{a|228546}} (3) (about 20, many as by "Greenwood, James")<br />
4.. Gregorian, Joyce Ballou ,1946<br />
:- lwf Griffiths, Alan {{a|188304}} LC "active 1934-39" (3) WorldCat (4)<br />
> Grile, Dod ><br />
#- Grimm Brothers<br />
= El f Grimm, Jacob {{a|19912}} (1065)<br />
= El f Grimm, Wilhelm {{a|9071}} (888)<br />
:.el f Grimshaw, Beatrice {{a|1668}} (30)<br />
2- Grimshaw, Nigel<br />
4- Grimwood, Ken<br />
:-el f Grin, Alexander {{a|70431}} (51)<br />
!q2..el f Gripe, Maria Kristina (38) <br />
1- Grubb, Davis<br />
6- Grundy, Stephan<br />
> Guest, Lady Charlotte ><br />
q:-elsf Gunn, Neil M (59)<br />
5- Gunnarsson, Thorarinn<br />
6.. Guon, Ellen ,1964<br />
3- Gygax, Gary<br />
:-elsf Haggard, [Sir] H Rider {{a|138}} (293)<br />
!q3..el f Hahn, Mary Downing (49)<br />
4- Haining, Peter<br />
:.elsf Haldane, Charlotte {{a|100265}} (34) <br />
3.. lw f Haldeman, Linda (3)<br />
niEN, niQ<br />
> Hale, James ><br />
> Halam, Ann ><br />
: lwwsf Halidom, M Y {{a|1200052}} (0) +1 Dryasdust [many + 7] <br />
= Dryasdust https://lccn.loc.gov/n90713983 (1)<br />
> Hall, Frances ><br />
> Hall, Rodney ><br />
5.. Hambly, Barbara ,1951<br />
> Hamilton, Clive ><br />
> Hamilton, John ><br />
6.. Hamilton, Laurell K ,1963<br />
> Hammond, Keith ><br />
4- Hancock, Neil<br />
5.. Hand, Elizabeth ,1957<br />
> Hank in Maggs ><br />
> Harding, Ross ><br />
?- Harding, Simon<br />
4- Hardy, Lyndon<br />
:- '''Hargreaves, [Sir] Gerald''' --nidb --niEN.wiki<br />
6- Harman, Andrew<br />
5- Harpur, Patrick<br />
q0..el f Harris, Christie {{a|148594}} (24)<br />
5.. Harris, Deborah Turner ,1951<br />
5.. Harris, Geraldine ,1951<br />
:-el f Harris, Joel Chandler {{a|19914}} (144)<br />
2- Harris, MacDonald = Donald William Heiney<br />
q2..el f Harris, Rosemary {{a|16228}} (33)<br />
2- Harris, Wilson<br />
> Harrison, Jane E ><br />
0- Harrison, Michael = Maurice Desmond Rohan<br />
4- Harrison, M John<br />
:-elsf Hartley, L P {{a|548}} (45)<br />
4- Hartwell, David G<br />
:-el f Harvey, William F {{a|16268}} (8)[many]<br />
4- Hasford, Gustav<br />
:-el f Hauff, Wilhelm {{a|2025}} (153)<br />
:-elsf Hauptmann, Gerhart {{a|113675}} (248) <br />
> Haviland, Virginia ><br />
> Havlasa, Jan ><br />
5- Hawke, Simon<br />
><s> Hawkwood, Allan > </s><br />
> Hawthorne, Hildegarde ><br />
:-elsf Hawthorne, Julian {{a|17790}} (108) --son of Nathaniel Hawthorne <br />
:-elsf Hawthorne, Nathaniel {{a|1959}} (751)<br />
> Hay, Timothy ><br />
4- Hazel, Paul<br />
:.el f H.D. = {{a|Delia Alton}} = Hilda Doolittle (94) <br />
:-elsf Heard, Gerald {{a|1946}} (66)<br />
> Heard, H F ><br />
:-EJl f Hearn, Lafcadio {{a|19738}} (281)<br />
:-elsf Hecht, Ben {{a|19733}} (100)<br />
> Heide, Florence Parry ><br />
0- Heinlein, Robert A<br />
4- Helprin, Mark<br />
3- Henighan, Tom<br />
> Henry, Alan ><br />
4- Herbert, James<br />
5.. Herbert, Mary H ,1957<br />
> Herman, William ><br />
:. Heron, E & H --joint pseud. mother-and-son<br />
= :.*l f K(ate) Prichard (1851), mother {{a|120100}} (11) = Kate O'Brien (Ryall) Hesketh[-]Prichard --niEN (link EN: Hesketh Prichard) <br />
= :-el f Hesketh Prichard {{a|120099}} (27) under Prichard, not H-P = Hesketh Hesketh-Prichard (0)<br />
> Heron-Allen, Edward ><br />
> Herzmanovsky-Orlando, Fritz von ><br />
:-elsf Hesse, Hermann {{a|11094}} (395) <br />
4.. Heydron, Vicki Ann ,1945<br />
:-elsf Hichens, Robert {{a|30943}} (112)<br />
5.. Hickman, Tracy ,1955<br />
5.. Hilgartner, Beth ,1957<br />
4.. Hill, Susan ,1942<br />
> Hilman, F Mchugh ><br />
0- Hilton, James<br />
4- Hjortsberg, William<br />
2- Hoban, Russell<br />
><s> Hobb, Robin > </s><br />
0- Hobson, [Sir] Harold<br />
5.. Hodgell, P C ,1951<br />
:-elsf Hodgson, William Hope {{a|163}} (24)<br />
5.. Hoffman, Nina Kiriki ,1955<br />
#-elsf Hoffmann, E T A {{a|19492}} (374)<br />
:-el f Hofmannsthal, Hugo von {{a|96125}} (343)<br />
#-el f Hogg, James {{a|76629}} (100) <br />
4- Holdstock, Robert P<br />
:-elsf Holland, Clive {{a|190884}} (35) = Charles James Hankinson https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n90-637192 <br />
:. '''Holme, Constance''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Holme EN]<br />
6- Holt, Tom<br />
#-elsf Homer {{a|20200}} (1198)<br />
> Homunculus [2] ><br />
4- Horwood, William<br />
:-elsf Houghton, Claude {{a|181546}} (42) <br />
0- Household, Geoffrey<br />
:.el f Housman, Clemence {{a|7108}} (5)<br />
:-elsf Housman, Laurence {{a|111581}} (177) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Laurence Housman]]<br />
q2..el f Howard, Elizabeth Jane (26)<br />
0-elsf Howard, Robert E {{a|822}} (112), born 1906<br />
4- Howe, James<br />
:-elsf Howells, William Dean {{a|11227}} (391)<br />
> Howlett, Winston A ><br />
1- Hubbard, L Ron<br />
:-elsf Hudson, W H {{a|7219}} (202)<br />
5.. Huff, Tanya ,1957<br />
3- Hughart, Barry<br />
4- Hughes, Robert Don<br />
3-elsf Hughes, Ted {{a|1742}} (164)<br />
> Hugo, Victor > <br />
> Hull, E Mayne ><br />
:-elsf Hume, Fergus {{a|129099}} (59)<br />
> Huneker, James ><br />
> Hunt, Gill ><br />
4- Hunt, Peter<br />
:.el f Hunt, Violet {{a|19959}} (20) --daughter of Brothers Grimm translator, ''Grimm's Household Tales'' (2 vols., 1880)<br />
q2..el f Hunter, Mollie {{a|5600}} (37)<br />
> Huxley, Aldous ><br />
:-el f Huysmans, Joris-Karl {{a|5598}} (121)<br />
4.. Ingalls, Rachel ,1940<br />
:.el f Ingelow, Jean {{a|73761}} (71)<br />
><s> Ingoldsby, Thomas > </s> (Barham)<br />
1- Ionesco, Eugène<br />
q1..el f Ipcar, Dahlov {{a|3563}} (50)<br />
#-elsf Irving, Washington {{a|1971}} (968)<br />
:.el f Irwin, Margaret {{a|13651}} (many) (many as by "Irwin, Margaret" undifferentiated)<br />
4- Irwin, Robert<br />
1- Irwin, W R ;1915<br />
2- Jackman, Stuart<br />
:-el f Jacks, L P {{a|147064}} (68) <br />
?.. l f Jackson, Rosemary {{a|148266}} (4),19xx<br />
q1..elsf Jackson, Shirley {{a|694}} (64)<br />
5- Jackson, Steve<br />
5- Jackson, Steve [2]<br />
>:-el . Jacobs, Joseph > Folklore; Folktales. ; {{a|17634}} (129) section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Joseph Jacobs]]<br />
3- Jacques, Brian<br />
3- Jakes, John W<br />
> James, Dynely ><br />
:-elsf James, Henry {{a|1692}} (841) <br />
2- James, John<br />
:-el f James, M R {{a|5578}} (130) <br />
> James, Philip ><br />
q1..el f Jansson, Tove {{a|2148}} (110)<br />
> Jaroš, Peter ><br />
6-el f Jarvis, Robin {{a|1663}} (9)<br />
4- Jefferies, Mike<br />
:-elsf Jefferies, Richard {{a|17684}} (86)<br />
: w f Jenks, Almet {{a|230396}} --niLC [2, one work only]<br />
> Jenks, Jacquetta ><br />
:-elsf Jepson, Edgar {{a|63971}} (33)<br />
:-el f Jerome, Jerome K {{a|14339}} (116)<br />
> Johns, Jacob ><br />
4- Johnson, Charles<br />
> Johnson, Richard ><br />
?- w f Johnston, Gunnar {{a|230441}} --niLC [5] <br />
:.elsf Johnston, Mary {{a|153903}} (51) <br />
1- Jones, Chuck<br />
q3..elsf Jones, Diana Wynne {{a|593}} (82) ; sister elw Ursula Jones {{a|176846}} (8) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Chrestomanci]]<br />
5.. Jones, Gwyneth ,1952<br />
5.. Jones, Jenny ,1954<br />
6.. Jones, J V ,1963<br />
5- Jones, Stephen<br />
4- Jones, Terry<br />
> Jonson, Ben ><br />
4- Jordan, Robert = James Oliver Rigney Jr<br />
5- Joshi, S T ,1958<br />
5- Joyce, Graham<br />
:-el f Joyce, James {{a|113840}} (502) <br />
2-el f Juster, Norton {{a|5534}} (25)<br />
> Kadare, Ismail ><br />
:-elsf Kafka, Franz {{a|15578}} (355) <br />
3- Kangilaski, Jaan<br />
4.. Karr, Phyllis Ann ,1944<br />
:-el f Kästner, Erich {{a|186176}} (176) <br />
4.. Katz, Welwyn ,1948<br />
q0..elsf Kavan, Anna {{a|1372}} (42);1901 = "took the name AK by deed-poll"<br />
4.. Kaveney, Roz ,1949<br />
5- Kay, Guy Gavriel<br />
3- Kaye, Marvin<br />
:-el f Kazantzakis, Nikos {{a|239493}} (128)<br />
6- Kearney, Paul<br />
#-el f Keats, John {{a|22268}} (296) <br />
#-el f Keightley, Thomas {{a|7869}} (54) ><br />
3- Kelleher, Victor<br />
:-elsf Keller, David H {{a|1124}} (18)<br />
> Kelley, Thomas P ><br />
q1..el f Kendall, Carol {{a|3091}} (15)<br />
> Kendall, Gordon ><br />
> Kendall, May ><br />
><s> Kennealy, Patricia > </s><br />
4.. Kennealy-Morrison, Patricia ,1946<br />
3-el f Kennedy, Richard {{a|5506}} (21) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Richard Kennedy]]<br />
> Kent, Kelvin ><br />
!q0.. lwf Kerby, Susan Alice {{a|122630}} (17)[many]<br />
= pseud (Alice) Elizabeth Burton --libraries conflate with other Elizabeth Burtons<br />
q3..el f Kernaghan, Eileen (8)<br />
4.. Kerr, Katharine ,1944<br />
:. lsf Kerruish, Jessie Douglas {{a|6706}} (6) <br />
1- Kersh, Gerald<br />
> Kesteven, Ambrosius ><br />
> <s>Key, Samuel M > </s> = Uel<br />
:-e f Key, Uel {{a|122690}} --niLC [4] WorldCat: [http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-key,%20uel/ Uel] [http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-key,%20samuel%20whittell/ Samuel] [http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3AKey%2C+Samuel+Whittell%2C&qt=hot_author search au:Key, Samuel Whittel]<br />
><s> Keyne, Gordon > </s><br />
4- Kilworth, Garry<br />
4- King, Bernard<br />
> King, Clive ><br />
:.el f King, Jessie M {{a|193096}} (7) --illustrator mainly<br />
4-elsf King, Stephen {{a|70}} (258) + (15)<br />
5- King, Tappan<br />
:-el f Kingsley, Charles {{a|2029}} (273)<br />
> Kingsley, Henry ><br />
> Kingsley, Mary ><br />
2- King-Smith, Dick<br />
3-elsf Kinsella, W P {{a|5484}} (43) --baseball <br />
:-elsf Kipling, Rudyard {{a|1961}} (1908) [[User:Pwendt/People/Rudyard Kipling]]<br />
5.. Kirchoff, Mary L ,1959<br />
1- Kirkup, James<br />
5.. Kirstein, Rosemary ,1953<br />
4- Klein, T E D ,1947<br />
6- Knaak, Richard A<br />
:-el f Knatchbull-Hugessen, E H {{a|168789}} (9)[many] = Lord Brabourne <br />
> Knickerbocker, Diedrich ><br />
:-el f Knight, Eric {{a|16531}} (40+4) <br />
> Knowles, Rupert ><br />
:-el f Knowles, Vernon {{a|127139}} (3)[many]<br />
> Kolár, Josef Jiří ><br />
:- '''Kondratiev, Alexander''' --nidb --niEN.wiki<br />
4- Koontz, Dean R<br />
> Kossak-Szcczucka, Zofia ><br />
3- Koster, R M ,1934<br />
3- Kotzwinkle, William<br />
> Kramerius, Václav Rodomil ><br />
> Krasiński, Zygmunt ><br />
5- Krensky, Stephen<br />
4.. Kress, Nancy ,1948<br />
6- Kubasik, Christopher<br />
> Kubin, Alfred ><br />
:- lwf Kummer, Frederic Arnold {{a|115484}} (59) <br />
2- Kundera, Milan<br />
3- Kurland, Michael<br />
4.. Kurtz, Katherine ,1944<br />
5.. Kushner, Ellen ,1955<br />
1-eLLsf Kuttner, Henry {{a|452}} (27) +8 Lewis Padgett, joint pseud.<br />
5.. Lackey, Mercedes ,1950<br />
4- LaFarge, Tom<br />
1- Lafferty, R A ;1914<br />
>17 La Fontaine, Jean de > Fable; Charles Perrault.<br />
:-el f Laforgue, Jules {{a|124491}} (55) <br />
:.el f Lagerlöf, Selma {{a|5440}} (183) <br />
:-el f Lagerkvist, Pär {{a|167237}} (79)<br />
><s> Lainez, Manuel Mujica > </s><br />
> Lamark, Drew ><br />
#-el f Lamb, Charles {{a|189484}} (325) ; el-- Mary Lamb {{a|190794}} (112)<br />
:-elsf Lamb, Harold {{a|19453}} (62) <br />
> Lambert, S H ><br />
:-elsf Lambourne, John {{a|160703}} (23) <br />
4.. Lance, Kathryn ,1943<br />
4- Lancour, Gene = Gene Lancour Fisher<br />
0- Landolfi, Tommaso<br />
:-elsf Lang, Andrew {{a|6880}} (474) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Andrew Lang]]<br />
5-elsf Langford, David {{a|752}} (10+1) --SFE3 co-editor<br />
= William Robert Loosley https://lccn.loc.gov/n88653112 (1)[1] https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n88-653112<br />
1- Langley, Noel ;1911<br />
> Langran, Maurice ><br />
> Langton, Jane ><br />
> Lanyard, Fortescue ><br />
4- La Plante, Richard<br />
5.. Larsen, Jeanne ,1950<br />
5- Larson, Randall D<br />
5- Lasdun, James<br />
4.. Laubenthal, Sanders Anne ,1943<br />
3- Launay, André ,1930<br />
> Launay, Droo ><br />
> Laurance, Andrew ><br />
:-EFl f Lautréamont, Comte de {{a|16833}} (42) = Isidore Lucien Ducasse<br />
5- Lawhead, Stephen R<br />
4.. Lawrence, Ann ,1942<br />
:-el f Lawrence, D H {{a|11632}} (558) <br />
4..elsf Lawrence, Louise {{a|1649}} (18),1943 = Elizabeth Holden<br />
:.elsf Lawrence, Margery {{a|15077}} (16) VIAF 126258545 [https://viaf.org/viaf/79287229/#Lawrence,_Margery,_1896-1969 VIAF 79287229]<br />
> Laws, Stephen ><br />
:-el f Lawson, Robert --illustrator mainly {{a|13904}} (81) <br />
:-el f Lear, Edward {{a|22266}} (243) <br />
4- Le Clézio, J-M G ,1940<br />
3- Lee, John<br />
2- Lee, Stan<br />
4..elsf Lee, Tanith {{a|105}} (71),1947<br />
:.el f Lee, Vernon, pseud. {{a|1965}} (79) = Violet Paget --half-sister<br />
> Leech, Ben ><br />
:-el f Lee-Hamilton, Eugene {{a|22265}} (5) --half-brother<br />
:-el f Le Fanu, J Sheridan {{a|1962}} (84) <br />
q2..elsf Le Guin, Ursula K {{a|37}} (175) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Ursula K. Le Guin]]<br />
1-e s Leiber, Fritz {{a|38}} (67);1910<br />
1987 Tor double Echoes of valor https://lccn.loc.gov/98809481<br />
1990 Tor double The Fair https://lccn.loc.gov/98818853<br />
:-el f Leland, Charles Godfrey {{a|120572}} (186)<br />
> Lelland, Frank ><br />
q1..elsf L'Engle, Madeleine {{a|2923}} (138)<br />
#.el f Leprince de Beaumont, Madame Jeanne-Marie {{a|208738}} (59)<br />
q3.. lwsf Lerman, Rhoda (12)<br />
niEN<br />
1- '''Lerner, Alan Jay''' ;1918 = Lerner & Loewe --nidb<br />
:-EDl f Lernet-Holenia, Alexander {{a|100741}} (62)<br />
:-elsf Leroux, Gaston {{a|5395}} (165) <br />
> Lešehrad, Emanuel ><br />
:. lwf Leslie, Josephine {{a|115491}} (5) [many] = R. A. Dick <br />
> Level, Maurice ><br />
!q2..elw f Levin, Betty (26)<br />
2- Levin, Ira<br />
#-el f Levshin, Vasily {{a|186479}} (12) <br />
:-elsf Lewis, C S {{a|301}} (394)<br />
:.el f Lewis, Hilda {{a|115885}} (38) <br />
#-el f Lewis, Matthew Gregory {{a|631}} (115) <br />
:-elsf Lewis, Wyndham {{a|49201}} (139)<br />
> Leyton, E K ><br />
5- Ligotti, Thomas<br />
q0..ESl f Lindgren, Astrid {{a|29517}} (221)<br />
5.. Lindholm, Megan ,1952 = Robin Hobb pseud.<br />
:-elsf Lindsay, David {{a|166}} (15)<br />
:-el f Lindsay, Norman {{a|30344}} (65)<br />
:-elsf Linklater, Eric {{a|13496}} (129) <br />
2- Lins, Osman<br />
:.el f Linton, Lynn {{a|82749}} (46) <br />
6.. Lisle, Holly ,1960<br />
4.. Lisle, Janet Taylor ,1947<br />
6- Little, Bentley<br />
q3..el f Lively, Penelope {{a|5368}} (81)<br />
:. lwf Livingston, Marjorie {{a|233026}} (5) [14] <br />
4- Livingstone, Ian<br />
2- Lloyd, A R ,1927<br />
> Lloyd, Charles ><br />
q3..el f Llywelyn, Morgan (42+)<br />
:-elsf Lofting, Hugh {{a|5360}} (89) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Doctor Dolittle]]<br />
q0..el f Lofts, Norah {{a|9021}} (130+2) + 2[2 titles only] as Juliet Astley<br />
= (0)[1] Peter Curtis https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n2013-028275<br />
6.. Logston, Anne ,1962<br />
:-elsf London, Jack {{a|1975}} (588) <br />
0- Long, Frank Belknap<br />
> Long, John Luther ><br />
> Lord, Jeffrey ><br />
4.. Lorrah, Jean ,1940<br />
> Lorrain, Jean ><br />
> Loti, Pierre ><br />
:-EFl f Louÿs, Pierre {{a|15210}} (132) <br />
:-elsf Lovecraft, H P {{a|165}} (126) <br />
> Lovehill, C B ><br />
6- Lowder, James<br />
3- Luard, Nicholas<br />
#-elsf Lucian {{a|115737}} (209) <br />
5- Lukeman, Tim<br />
3- Lumley, Brian<br />
> Lundwall, Sam J ><br />
><s> Lustbader, Eric > </s><br />
> Lyndell, Catherine ><br />
> Lynes, Russell ><br />
><s> Lynn, Eliza > </s> = Lynn Linton<br />
4.. Lynn, Elizabeth A ,1946<br />
><s> Lytton, Lord > </s> = Edward Bulwer-Lytton<br />
---- ---- 2019-12-30 above this line, first column is 1900s birth decade (> redirect, ? 19??, ! earlier) ---- ----<br />
> MacAuley, Charles Raymond ><br />
4..elsf Macavoy, R A {{a|390}} (8),1949<br />
2- McBain, Ed = Evan Hunter, born S A Lombino<br />
q2..elsf McCaffrey, Anne {{a|176}} (143)<br />
> McCarthy, Cormac ><br />
><s> McCarthy, Justin > </s><br />
:-el f McCarthy, Justin Huntly {{a|115704}} (89)<br />
5- McCarty, Dennis<br />
5..el f McCaughrean, Geraldine {{a|8291}} (72),1951<br />
> McCaughren, Tom ><br />
:-elsf McCay, Winsor {{a|110372}} (55)<br />
3- McCormack, Eric P<br />
?.. McCrumb, Sharyn<br />
:-elsf MacDonald, George {{a|139}} (364) [[User:Pwendt/People/George Macdonald]]<br />
><s> MacDonald, Golden > </s><br />
> Macdonald, James D ><br />
3- McEvilley, Thomas<br />
> MacEwen, Gwendolyn ><br />
> MacFall, Haldane ><br />
> Macfarlane, Stephen ><br />
6- McGirt, Dan<br />
2- McGowen, Tom<br />
> McHargue, Georgess ><br />
:-elsf Machen, Arthur {{a|135}} (90) <br />
:-el f McKenna, Stephen {{a|115867}} (82)<br />
> Mackey, Mary ><br />
3- McKiernan, Dennis L<br />
4..elsf McKillip, Patricia A {{a|1022}} (33),1948<br />
5..elsf McKinley, Robin {{a|2369}} (32),1952<br />
:-el f MacLeish, Archibald {{a|16253}} (308) <br />
2- MacLeish, Roderick<br />
:-eLL f MacLeod, Fiona, pseud. {{a|110109}} = William Sharp (61+42)<br />
> McNutt, Charles ><br />
> Macpherson, James ><br />
:-EFlsf Maeterlinck, Maurice {{a|192075}} (339)<br />
q3..el f Mahy, Margaret {{a|2316}} (122)<br />
2- Mailer, Norman<br />
> Majors, Simon ><br />
> Malet, Lucas ><br />
> Mallarmé, Stéphane ><br />
#-el f Malory, [Sir] Thomas {{a|31657}} (168) <br />
> Malvern, Jefferson D ><br />
#-el f Mandeville, [Sir] John {{a|187161}} (63) <br />
4- Manguel, Alberto<br />
2- Mankowitz, Wolf<br />
><s> Mann, Jack > </s> = E C Vivian<br />
:-el f Mann, Thomas {{a|13692}} (539) <br />
> Manning-Sanders, Ruth > Raymond Briggs; Robin Jacques<br />
> Mara, Bernard ><br />
> Margroff, Robert ><br />
> Marie de France ><br />
> Marl, David J ><br />
4- Marley, Stephen<br />
#-el f Marlowe, Christopher {{a|82613}} (219) <br />
:-el f Marquis, Don {{a|16332}} (63)<br />
#-el f Marryat, Frederick {{a|81561}} (221)<br />
> Marsh, Geoffrey ><br />
> Marshall, Alan ><br />
> Martens, Paul ><br />
4- Martin, George R R<br />
3- Martin, Graham Dunstan<br />
> Martin, John [2] ><br />
:-elsf Martin, J P {{a|90281}} (4) <br />
4.. Martin, Valerie ,1948<br />
?.. Martine-Barnes, Adrienne<br />
:-el f Masefield, John {{a|5274}} (352) <br />
- Matheson, Chris ,1958<br />
2- Matheson, Richard<br />
5- Matheson, Richard Christian<br />
:-Flsf Matson, Norman {{a|83517}} (11)[many] https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no93-020499<br />
#-elsf Maturin, Charles R {{a|1595}} (35) <br />
:-el f Maugham, W Somerset {{a|5267}} (529) <br />
><s> Maupassant, Guy de > </s><br />
q3..elsf May, Julian {{a|291}} (186+) + numerous pseudonyms <br />
2- Mayne, William<br />
> Meagher, Maude ><br />
6.. Meier, Shirley ,1960<br />
:-elsf Melville, Herman {{a|2032}} (581) <br />
> Meredith, Owen ><br />
:-elsf Merritt, A {{a|613}} (32) <br />
2- Merwin, W S ,1927<br />
:-elsf Meyrink, Gustav {{a|5218}} (58) <br />
> Mickiewicz, Adam ><br />
5? Middleton, Haydn ,1955<br />
> Middleton, Martin ><br />
:-el f Middleton, Richard {{a|2041}} (9)[many]<br />
> Miffkin, Patton H ><br />
5- Milán, Victor<br />
> Miles Gloriosus ><br />
4- Miller, Ian<br />
4- Millhauser, Steven<br />
:-el f Milne, A A {{a|5194}} (572) <br />
#-el f Milton, John {{a|92197}} (800) <br />
> Mirbeau, Octave ><br />
:.el f Mirrlees, Hope {{a|7214}} (8)<br />
:.elsf Mitchison, Naomi {{a|1735}} (107) <br />
4- Modesitt, L E Jr ,1943<br />
:.el f Molesworth, Mary {{a|124751}} (65) (Mrs. Molesworth) > Children's Fantasy. etc<br />
> Molière ><br />
> Molin, Charles ><br />
> Molyneux, Bingham T ><br />
> Momaday, N Scott ><br />
> Mompesson, Sergius ><br />
4- Monaco, Richard<br />
4- Monteleone, Thomas F<br />
4.. Moon, Elizabeth ,1945<br />
elsf Moorcock, Michael {{a|140}} (131 as MM)<br />
5- Moore, Alan<br />
2- Moore, Brian<br />
q1..eLLsf Moore, C L {{a|453}} (12) +8 Lewis Padgett, joint pseud.<br />
4- Morgan, Chris ,1946<br />
:-elsf Morley, Christopher {{a|5153}} (219) <br />
3- Morressy, John<br />
4.. Morris, Janet E ,1946<br />
!q2..lww f Morris, Jean (6+9) = real name of Kenneth O'Hara, crime writer<br />
niEN; both Morris and O'Hara at Wikidata 2023-02-17<br />
:-el f Morris, Kenneth {{a|2846}} (10)<br />
:-elsf Morris, William {{a|305}} (344)<br />
4- Morrow, James<br />
> Mortimer, Evan Gregson ><br />
> Morton, Anthony ><br />
> Morus, Cenydd ><br />
5- Morwood, Peter = Robert Peter Smith<br />
1- Mujica Lainez, Manuel<br />
2- Mulisch, Harry<br />
:-elsf Mundy, Talbot {{a|2118}} (47) = Gribbon, William Lancaster<br />
0- Munn, H Warner<br />
> Murphy, Dennis Jasper ><br />
> Murphy, Jill ><br />
5.. Murphy, Pat ,1955<br />
q2.. lw f Murphy, Shirley Rousseau (51)<br />
niEN; deceased inform SFE<br />
> Murphy, Warren B<br />
> Murray, Frieda A ><br />
> Murray, Margaret ><br />
#-el f Musäus, Johann Karl {{a|179989}} (23) <br />
5- Myers, Edward<br />
0- Myers, John Myers<br />
:-ERlsf Nabokov, Vladimir {{a|15974}} (235)<br />
> Nadir, A A ><br />
:-elsf Nathan, Robert {{a|2342}} (88) <br />
> Neiderman, Andrew ><br />
:-el f Nerval, Gérard de {{a|76941}} (167)<br />
:.elsf Nesbit, E {{a|5098}} (140) ; daughter '''Rosamund E. Nesbit Bland''' (2) --nidb [[User:Pwendt/People/E. Nesbit]]<br />
:-el f Newbolt, [Sir] Henry {{a|112892}} (61)<br />
2- Newlove, Donald<br />
5- Newman, Kim ,1959<br />
0- Newman, Robert<br />
4.. Newman, Sharan ,1949<br />
:-elsf Nichols, Beverley {{a|10051}} (120) = John B N<br />
:-elsf Nichols, Robert {{a|131770}} (30)<br />
4.. Nichols, Ruth ,1948<br />
:-elsf Nicholson, Joseph Shield {{a|131772}} (23)<br />
5- Niles, Douglas<br />
4..el f Nimmo, Jenny {{a|5089}} (27),1944<br />
:-elsf Nisbet, Hume {{a|19897}} (2)<br />
3- Niven, Larry<br />
#-elsf Nodier, Charles {{a|16549}} (113)<br />
2- Nolan, William F<br />
6- Norfolk, Lawrence<br />
> Norman, Jay ><br />
3- Norman, John = John Frederick Lange Jr<br />
><s> North, Andrew > </s><br />
q1..elsf Norton, Andre {{a|209}} (213+)<br />
= Andrew North (pseud.) (1) ''Voodoo Planet'' and ''Plague Ship''<br />
= Alice Mary Norton (birth name) https://lccn.loc.gov/n88063436 (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/51013839 ''Huon''<br />
= Allen Weston --joint pseud. (1) non-genre<br />
q0..el f Norton, Mary {{a|1376}} (50)[[User:Pwendt/People/Mary Norton]] ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#The Borrowers]]<br />
> Norvil, Manning ><br />
:-elsf Noyes, Alfred {{a|19748}} (114) <br />
5..elsf Nye, Jody Lynn {{a|1432}} (37),1957 ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Crossroads Adventure publication series]]<br />
el f Nye, Robert {{a|5059}} (51) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Robert Nye]]<br />
q3..elsf Oates, Joyce Carol (235)<br />
> O'Brien, David Wright ><br />
1- O'Brien, Flann ;1911 = Brian O'Nolan or Briain ÓNuallàin<br />
> Ocampo, Silvina ><br />
3- Offutt, Andrew J<br />
> O'Hagan, Howard ><br />
> O'Hara, Kenneth ><br />
5- Okri, Ben<br />
:.el f Oliphant, Mrs {{a|79773}} (249)<br />
:-el f Onions, Oliver {{a|15191}} (60)<br />
4.. Ore, Rebecca ,1948<br />
5.. Orr, A ,1950 = Alice Ingram Orr Sprague<br />
0- Orwell, George = Eric Arthur Blair<br />
3? O'Shea, Pat ,1931<br />
> Ossian > Celtic Fantasy<br />
:-el f O'Sullivan, Vincent {{a|17777}} (19)<br />
#-el f Ovid {{a|19918}} (684)<br />
q:-elw f Owen, Frank (34)<br />
q2..el f Ozick, Cynthia ,1928<br />
><s> Padgett, Lewis > </s> joint Kuttner & Moore<br />
5- Page, Norvell W ;1904<br />
> Paget, Francis Edward > > Children's Fantasy.; Fairytale<br />
:-elsf Pain, Barry {{a|18225}} (26)<br />
5- Palmer, Thomas<br />
6.. Palwick, Susan ,1960<br />
q1..eLLf Pargeter, Edith {{a|2173}} (38+66) = Ellis Peters, pseud.<br />
3- Parkinson, Dan<br />
: '''Parry, [Sir] Edward Abbott''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Abbott_Parry EN]<br />
<s> Paton, Ephraim Soulsby > > Kenneth Morris</s><br />
q3..elsf Paton Walsh, Jill {{a|4999}} (54)<br />
><s> Pattrick, William > pseud Peter Haining</s><br />
2- Pavič, Milorad<br />
4.. Paxson, Diana L ,1943<br />
><s> Paye, Robert > pseud Marjorie Bowen</s><br />
><s> Payne, Alan > > John W Jakes.</s><br />
> Peacock, Thomas Love > > Arthur; Flood; Ghost Stories.<br />
1- Peake, Mervyn<br />
q2..elsf Pearce, Philippa {{a|4991}} (43) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Philippa Pearce]]<br />
0- Pei, Mario<br />
> Péladan, Joséphin > > Decadence<br />
><s> Penalurick, Jan > > Charles de Lint</s><br />
> Percy, Thomas > > Romance<br />
#-el f Perrault, Charles {{a|20007}} (380) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Perrault]]<br />
> Perrault, Pierre > French folklorist (1678-1700) --son<br />
:-EDlsf Perutz, Leo {{a|132231}} (54) <br />
><s> Peters, Ellis > pseud Edith Pargeter</s><br />
><s> Peyton, Richard > pseud Peter Haining</s><br />
:.el f Phelps, Elizabeth Stuart {{a|15188}} (86) +4Ward +1Adams<br />
><s> Phillips, Michael > pseud Charles Beaumont, sometimes with William F Nolan</s><br />
:-eLLsf Phillpotts, Eden {{a|212}} (256) +4 Hext Harrington<br />
:- lwwsf Phylos the Thibetan {{a|205327}} (2+7)[13+9] = Frederick Spencer Oliver<br />
5.. Pierce, Meredith Ann ,1958<br />
5..el f Pierce, Tamora {{a|867}} (57),1954<br />
5- Pike, Christopher = Kevin McFadden<br />
5- Pini, Richard<br />
5.. Pini, Wendy ,1951<br />
4- Pinkwater, Daniel M<br />
:-elsf Pirandello, Luigi {{a|157712}} (303) <br />
#-el f Planché, James Robinson {{a|122692}} (127) <br />
:-elsf Poe, Edgar Allan {{a|622}} (944) [[User:Pwendt/People/Edgar Allan Poe]]<br />
#-elsf Polidori, John {{a|19743}} (25) <br />
> Pollack, Frederick > > Posthumous Fantasy.<br />
4.. Pollack, Rachel ,1945<br />
:-elsf Pollock, Walter Herries {{a|6881}} (26) <br />
3.. lw f Poole, Josephine {{a|4942}} (18)<br />
niEN, niQ<br />
q1..el f Pope, Elizabeth Marie {{a|473}} (7) <br />
2- '''Postgate, Oliver''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Postgate EN]<br />
#-elsf Potocki, [Count] Jan {{a|4935}} (23) <br />
:.el f Potter, Beatrix {{a|173620}} (384) <br />
><s> Power, Cecil > pseud Grant Allen</s><br />
6.. Power, Susan Mary ,1961<br />
5- Powers, Tim<br />
:-elsf Powys, John Cowper {{a|132147}} (130) <br />
> Powys, Llewelyn > third brother<br />
:-el f Powys, T F {{a|20010}} (48) <br />
:.el f Praed, Mrs [Rosa Campbell Praed] {{a|132339}} (25) <br />
5.. Prager, Emily ,1952<br />
4.. Prantera, Amanda ,1942<br />
4-elsf Pratchett, Terry {{a|155}} (105) <br />
:-elsf Pratt, Fletcher {{a|532}} (94) <br />
0- Pratt, Theodore<br />
<s> Preedy, George R > pseud Marjorie Bowen</s><br />
5- Preiss, Byron<br />
<s> Prescot, Dray > pseud Kenneth Bulmer</s><br />
:-elsf Price, E Hoffmann {{a|525}} (6)[many] <br />
4- Priest, Christopher<br />
:-elsf Priestley, J B {{a|1261}} (338)<br />
5-elsf Pringle, David {{a|719}} (15)<br />
> Proença, M Cavalcanti > > Brazil<br />
.. Prose, Francine ,1947<br />
4-elsf Pullman, Philip {{a|2692}} (53)<br />
#-el f P'u Sung-Ling [Pu Songling] {{a|126880}} (190) <br />
:-el f Pyle, Howard {{a|6311}} (188)<br />
3- Pynchon, Thomas<br />
> Q ><br />
> Questing, Frank ><br />
:-el f Quiller-Couch, [Sir] Arthur {{a|2088}} (156)<br />
> Quinet, Edgar ><br />
:-elsf Quinn, Seabury {{a|755}} (9)<br />
#-elsf Rabelais, François {{a|20438}} (190) <br />
4- Rabkin, Eric S<br />
> Rachilde ><br />
#.el f Radcliffe, [Mrs] Ann {{a|17155}} (71) <br />
5- Raeper, William<br />
> Ramal, Walter ><br />
> Ramsay, Jay ><br />
:-elsf Ramuz, Charles-Ferdinand {{a|223637}} (163) <br />
> Randolph, Ellen ><br />
4- Rankin, Robert<br />
5- Ransmayr, Christoph<br />
:-elsf Ransome, Arthur {{a|74131}} (87) <br />
5.. Rasmussen, Alis A ,1958<br />
#-elsf Raspe, Rudolf Erich {{a|1980}} (19) <br />
5.. Rawn, Melanie ,1954<br />
> Rayner, Olive Pratt ><br />
2- Rayner, William<br />
:-elsf Read, [Sir] Herbert {{a|37023}} (268) <br />
3- Reamy, Tom<br />
5- Reaves, J Michael<br />
3- Redgrove, Peter<br />
5- Reed, Jeremy<br />
#.el f Reeve, Clara {{a|29851}} (16) <br />
0-el f Reeves, James {{a|82345}} (125)<br />
5- Reeves-Stevens, Garfield<br />
5.. Reeves-Stevens, Judith ,1953<br />
6.. Reichert, Mickey Zucker = Miriam S Zucker Reichert<br />
> Reid, Desmond ><br />
:-el f Reid, Forrest {{a|116057}} (38)<br />
q2..el f Reid Banks, Lynne {{a|n80028565}} (67)<br />
:-el f Remizov, Alexei {{a|208268}} (109) <br />
q0..el f Renault, Mary {{a|1384}} (51)<br />
> Reynolds, Quintus ><br />
4..elsf Rice, Anne {{a|103}} (59),1941 + {{done}}<br />
= Anne Rampling (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/n86121823 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n86-121823<br />
= A. N. Roquelaure (4) https://lccn.loc.gov/n82114065 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n82-114065<br />
> Rice, James ><br />
5- Richard, Mark<br />
> Richards, Sean ><br />
0- Richardson, Maurice<br />
:.el f Riddell, [Mrs] J H {{a|1598}} (38) <br />
4.. Riley, Judith Merkle ,1942<br />
Rivkin, J F --joint pseud. of unknown 20c writers<br />
:-el f Robbins, Tod {{a|19170}} (8)[many] <br />
3- Robbins, Tom<br />
5.. Roberson, Jennifer ,1953<br />
> Robert de Boron ><br />
> Roberts, [Sir] Charles G D > ??<br />
4- Roberts, John Maddox<br />
3- Roberts, Keith<br />
5.. Roessner, Michaela ,1950<br />
?- Rogers, Mark<br />
5- Rogers, Mark E<br />
5- Rohan, Michael Scott<br />
:-elsf Rohmer, Sax {{a|1656}} (144) <br />
> Rolt, L T C ><br />
> Ronson, Mark ><br />
3- Rooke, Leon<br />
5- Rosenberg, Joel<br />
#- '''Rosencreutz, Christian --Rosicrucian founder''' --nidb (13) https://lccn.loc.gov/n50083276 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Rosenkreuz EN]<br />
3- Rosendorfer, Herbert<br />
> Rosny aîné, J H ><br />
> Ross, Clarissa ><br />
> Ross, Dana ><br />
1- Ross, Marilyn, pseud. = William Edward Daniel Ross (one of at least 20 names) ;1912<br />
> Ross, Olin ><br />
:.el f Rossetti, Christina {{a|118364}} (150) <br />
> Rossiter, Jane ><br />
3- Roszak, Theodore<br />
> Rousseau, Jean-Jacques ><br />
5- Rovin, Jeff<br />
4- Rowley, Christopher<br />
1- Ruark, Robert C<br />
1- Rubião, Murilo ;1916<br />
6- Ruff, Matt<br />
6.. Rusch, Kristine Kathryn ,1960<br />
4- Rushdie, Salman<br />
:-el f Ruskin, John {{a|19491}} (604) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Ruskin]]<br />
> Russ, Joanna ><br />
:-elsf Russell, W Clark {{a|132202}} (121)<br />
5- Ryman, Geoff<br />
:-el f Rymer, James Malcolm {{a|20009}} (4)[many] <br />
3- Saberhagen, Fred<br />
><s> Sage, Juniper > </s> = Margaret Wise Brown (first joint with Edith Thacher Hurd)<br />
> Saint-Aubin, Horace de ><br />
:-elsf Saki {{a|1204}} (65) = Hector Hugh Munro<br />
5.. Salmonson, Jessica Amanda ,1950<br />
:-el f Salten, Felix {{a|206101}} (129) <br />
> Saltykov, Mikhail ><br />
5- Salvatore, R A ,1959<br />
q3..elsf Sampson, Fay (10)<br />
4- San Souci, Robert D<br />
1-e s Sarban = John William Wall<br />
5- Sargent, Carl<br />
4- Saunders, Charles R<br />
7.. Savage, Felicity ,1975<br />
q3..Dlsf Saxton, Josephine (5)<br />
niEN<br />
0- Scanziani, Piero<br />
4.. Scarborough, Elizabeth Ann ,1947<br />
> Scavone, Rubens Teixeira ><br />
#- '''Schikaneder, Emanuel --librettist''' --nidb (161) https://lccn.loc.gov/n82227327 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Schikaneder EN] http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=schikaneder_emanuel <br />
3- Schmidt, Dennis A<br />
5- Schweitzer, Darrell<br />
> Scithers, George H ><br />
3- Scliar, Moacyr ,1937<br />
> Scot, Michael ><br />
> Scotland, Jay ><br />
5- Scott, Allan<br />
> Scott, Jeremy ><br />
6.. Scott, Melissa ,1960<br />
5-el f Scott, Michael {{a|931}} (32 +5)<br />
#-el f Scott, [Sir] Walter {{a|2069}} (1189)<br />
2-el f Selden, George {{a|221970}} (24) +1 Terry Andrews = George Selden Thompson<br />
--The Cricket in Times Square genre?<br />
1973 The Genie of Sutton Place [https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/119610863/6D013D931E154403PQ/1?accountid=11311] NYT 1973-05-06 Spring 1973 list<br />
https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/148470239/6D013D931E154403PQ/2?accountid=11311 WP -05-13<br />
https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/170412803/6D013D931E154403PQ/3?accountid=11311 CT -06-17<br />
https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/119862161/pageviewPDF/6D013D931E154403PQ/4?accountid=11311 NYT -06-24 pageview<br />
: no ISBN "Dell, 1974, (c)1973" o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2354825]<br />
: two ISBN (c)1973 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/797094388]<br />
: ISBN 0374425302 [https://www.amazon.com/Genie-Sutton-Place-George-Selden/dp/0374425302 at Amazon] Look inside 6th printing cover art (c)1994, first Sunburst 1984 ; o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/473727550] o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/17835926] 1984 (c)1973 Sunburst ; Fo[http://www.worldcat.org/title/genie-of-sutton-place/oclc/658116/editions?start_edition=11&sd=asc&referer=di&se=yr&editionsView=true&fq=]<br />
<br />
> Sellwood, A V ><br />
2- Sendak, Maurice --illustrator mainly<br />
#- '''Seneca, Lucius Annaeus''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_the_Younger EN: Seneca the Younger]<br />
> Sernine, Daniel ><br />
4.. Service, Pamela F ,1945<br />
> Seth, Vikram ><br />
> Seton, Ernest Thompson ><br />
0- Seuss, Dr = Theodore Seuss Geisel --illustrator mainly<br />
1- Severn, David = David Storr Unwin<br />
4.. Seymour, Miranda<br />
#-elsf Shakespeare, William {{a|22499}} (7967) [[User:Pwendt/People/Shakespeare]]<br />
q0..el f Sharp, Margery {{a|19972}} (78) <br />
:-elsf Shaw, George Bernard {{a|17781}} (867) <br />
4- Shea, Michael<br />
><s> Shearing, Joseph > pseud Marjorie Bowen</s><br />
#.elsf Shelley, Mary {{a|1836}} (289) <br />
#-el f Shelley, Percy Bysshe {{a|2070}} (469) <br />
4- Shelley, Rick<br />
4- Shepard, Lucius<br />
5.. Sherman, Delia ,1951<br />
> Sherman, Frank Dempster ><br />
4.. Sherman, Josepha ,1946<br />
2- Sherrell, Carl<br />
5- Shetterly, Will<br />
:-elsf Shiel, M P {{a|4728}} (32) <br />
5.. Shinn, Sharon ,1957<br />
q1.. lwf Shuler, Linda Lay {{a|4722}} (3)<br />
niEN<br />
4.. Shwartz, Susan M ,1949<br />
> Siegel, Barbara ><br />
5- Siegel, Scott<br />
> Sienkiewicz, Henryk ><br />
?- Silke, James R<br />
3-elsf Silverberg, Robert {{a|54}} (270)<br />
0- Simak, Clifford D<br />
> Šimánek, Josef ><br />
4- Simmons, Dan<br />
1- Simpson, N F ;1919<br />
3- Sinclair, Andrew<br />
> Sinclair, Catherine ><br />
4- Sinclair, Clive<br />
:-elsf Sinclair, Upton {{a|20435}} (520) <br />
0-el f Singer, Isaac Bashevis {{a|1383}} (167) <br />
4.. Singer, Marilyn ,1948<br />
:-el f Sitwell, Sacheverell {{a|167329}} (184) <br />
> Skaldaspillir, Sigfridur ><br />
0- '''Skinner, Martyn''' --nidb; born 1906 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyn_Skinner EN stub]<br />
:- lw f Skipper, Mervyn (6)<br />
niEN, niQ<br />
4-elsf Sleator, William {{a|518}} (24)<br />
q0..el f Sleigh, Barbara {{a|30719}} (18)<br />
> Slowacki, Juliusz ><br />
5- Smeds, Dave = real name of Reed Manning<br />
:-el f Smith, Arthur D Howden {{a|15211}} (27)<br />
:-elsf Smith, Clark Ashton {{a|819}} (36) <br />
5- Smith, David C<br />
:.el f Smith, Dodie {{a|174261}} (69) <br />
6.. Smith, Julie Dean ,1960<br />
> Smith, Junius B ><br />
?- Smith, Nyx ,19xx = N(athan) Y(ale) X(avier) Smith<br />
5.. Smith, Stephanie A ,1959<br />
:-elsf Smith, Thorne {{a|1313}} (44) <br />
5.. Smoodin, Roberta ,1952<br />
5.. Snodgrass, Melinda M ,1951<br />
> Snow, Jack ><br />
> Snowdon, Evan ><br />
5.. Snyder, Midori ,1954<br />
q2..el f Snyder, Zilpha Keatley {{a|2502}} (58)<br />
> Soloviev, Vladimir ><br />
> Somadeva ><br />
5- Somtow, S P ,1952 = Somtow Papinian Sucharitku<br />
> Songweaver, Cerin ><br />
2- Sørensen, Villy ,1929<br />
:- '''Sousa, John Philip --composer''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Philip_Sousa EN]<br />
:-elsf Southesk, the Earl Of {{a|148146}} (5)<br />
https://legionmagazine.com/en/2003/01/beware-the-windigo/ --evidently from 1859/1860 diary of journey in the plains ; also<br />
1862 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/35999287]<br />
1876 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/13392480], 52-page poem -HDL <br />
1976/1899 https://lccn.loc.gov/75046307 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2317572]<br />
#-el f Southey, Robert {{a|114888}} (200) <br />
4- Souto, Marcial ,1947<br />
> Soyka, Otto ><br />
q1..el f Spark, Muriel {{a|16326}} (126)<br />
6..e f Spedding [Alison Louise] {{a|3483}} (20),1962 --no English-lang library records?<br />
:-el f Spence, Lewis {{a|19875}} (86)<br />
4- Spencer, William Browning<br />
#-el f Spenser, Edmund {{a|114708}} (205) <br />
4..el f Springer, Nancy {{a|587}} (57),1948<br />
> Spunda, Franz ><br />
4-elsf Stableford, Brian M {{a|556}} (53)<br />
> Staines, Trevor ><br />
4.. Stanton, Mary ,1947<br />
:-el f Starrett, Vincent {{a|15960}} (81)<br />
4- Stasheff, Christopher<br />
#- '''Statius, Publius Papinius''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statius EN]<br />
> Steele, V M ><br />
> Steiner, K Leslie ><br />
:-el f Stephens, James {{a|13629}} (79)<br />
> Stephens, Reed ><br />
> Sterling, George ><br />
:-el f Sterling, John {{a|2064}} (9) <br />
:.elsf Stevens, Francis {{a|2017}} (4) = Mrs Gertrude (Barrows) Bennett <br />
:-elsf Stevenson, Robert Louis {{a|1964}} (1293) <br />
5.. Stevermer, Caroline ,1955<br />
q1..el f Stewart, Mary {{a|2362}} (59)<br />
6- Stewart, Sean<br />
> Stockbridge, Grant ><br />
:-elsf Stockton, Frank R {{a|1968}} (165)<br />
:-elsf Stoker, Bram {{a|650}} (210)<br />
> Stokes, Manning Lee ><br />
0-el f Stonier, G W {{a|119544}} (12);1903<br />
4- Straub, Peter<br />
:-elsf Stribling, T S {{a|13182}} (32) <br />
4- Strickland, Brad<br />
:-el f Strindberg, August {{a|168921}} (434) <br />
> Strobl, Karl Hans ><br />
2- Strugatsky, Arkady AND(brothers)<br />
2- Strugatsky, Boris (Natanovich)<br />
0- Stuart, Francis<br />
1-elsf Sturgeon, Theodore {{a|56}} (62) <br />
> Suassuna, Ariano ><br />
> Sucharitkul, Somtow ><br />
:-el f Sue, Eugène {{a|4558}} (159) <br />
4- Süskind, Patrick<br />
q2..el f Sutcliff, Rosemary {{a|1532}} (90)<br />
> Švantner, František ><br />
3- Swahn, Sven Christer<br />
2- Swann, Thomas Burnett<br />
5- Swanwick, Michael<br />
#-elsf Swift, Jonathan {{a|303}} (540) <br />
> Swinburne, Algernon > ??<br />
3- Swithin, Antony = William Antony Swithin Sarjeant<br />
1- Symonds, John<br />
:.el f Syrett, Netta {{a|254822}} (37)<br />
+ sister-illustrator :. w .Syrett, Nellie {{a|178887}}<br />
5- Szilagyi, Steve<br />
> Takei, George ><br />
><s> Tallis, Robyn > pseud Debra Doyle</s><br />
4.. Tannen, Mary ,1943<br />
> Tarnmoor, Salvator R ><br />
5.. Tarr, Judith ,1955<br />
6.. Tartt, Donna ,1964<br />
4- Taylor, Keith<br />
3- Taylor, Roger<br />
#- '''Tchulkov, Mikhail''' --nidb --niEN.wiki --"along with the more talented writer Vasily Levshin, created Russian fantasy as a genre"<br />
q3..elsf Tennant, Emma (44)<br />
> Tenneshaw, S M ><br />
> Tennyson, Alfred Lord ><br />
> Teophilo, de Rodolpho ><br />
q2..elsf Tepper, Sheri S (34) = E E Horlak, pseud.<br />
:-el f Thackeray, William Makepeace {{a|119470}} (484)<br />
1- Themerson, Stefan<br />
3- Thomas, D M ,1935<br />
1- Thomas, Dylan ;1914<br />
4- Thomas, Roy<br />
> Thomas, Thomas T ><br />
5- Thompson, Paul B<br />
> Thompson, Ruth Plumly ><br />
> Thornley, Richard ><br />
:-elsf Thurber, James {{a|13001}} (166) <br />
:-el f Thurston, E Temple {{a|82993}} (66) <br />
> Ticheburn, Cheviot ><br />
#-el f Tieck, Johann Ludwig {{a|96093}} (151)<br />
3- Timlett, Peter Valentine<br />
:-elsf Timlin, William M {{a|146305}} (6)<br />
> Titmarsh, M A ><br />
:.el f Todd, Barbara Euphan {{a|108828}} (9) <br />
3- Todorov, Tzvetan<br />
>-el f Tolkien, Christopher {{a|2328}} (49) > J R R TOLKIEN<br />
:-elsf Tolkien, J R R {{a|302}} (230) <br />
3- Tolstoy, Nikolai<br />
> Tomline, F ><br />
> Tompkins, Wentworth ><br />
:.el f Travers, P L {{a|36455}} (65);1899 ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Mary Poppins]]<br />
1-el f Treece, Henry {{a|22756}} (79);1911<br />
4- Tremayne, Peter = Peter Berresford Ellis<br />
> Trevor, Meriol ><br />
2- Tryon, Thomas<br />
:-el f Turgenev, Ivan {{a|19779}} (531) <br />
5.. Tuttle, Lisa ,1952<br />
2- Tutuola, Amos<br />
:-elsf Twain, Mark {{a|160}} (1546) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Twain]]<br />
:-elsf Tweed, Thomas F {{a|171014}} (4)[same] 2 novels only, under 4 titles<br />
> Two Wags ><br />
> Umansky, Kaye > > (1946-? ) US writer. > Children's Fantasy.<br />
:.el f Underhill, Evelyn {{a|158871}} (90)<br />
3- Updike, John<br />
:.el f Uttley, Alison {{a|4471}} (97)<br />
><s> Vace, Geoffrey > > Hugh B Cave</s><br />
?? Van Asten, Gail ,19xx --debut 1988<br />
1-elsf Vance, Jack {{a|}};1916 (101) <br />
5..el f Vande Velde, Vivian {{a|1546}} (41),1951<br />
:-el f Vane, Sutton {{a|279823}} (13) <br />
> van Gulik, Robert > > Oriental Fantasy.<br />
><s>Van Lustbader, Eric ,1946 >Lustbader, Eric Van</s><br />
2-elsf Vansittart, Peter {{a|4462}},1920 (38) <br />
1-elsf van Vogt, A E {{a|58}};1912 (21) <br />
4- Vardeman, Robert E ,1947<br />
1- '''Veiga, José J''' --nidb {{a|}};1915 () http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=veiga_jose_j<br />
><s> Vergil > </s><br />
> Verlaine, Paul > > Decadence<br />
:-elsf Viereck, George {{a|107682}} (59)<br />
:-elsf Villiers de L'Isle-Adam, Comte De {{a|19935}} (58) <br />
:-el f Vines, Sherard {{a|160515}} (17) <br />
4.. Vinge, Joan D ,1948<br />
><s>Vipont, Elfrida > Raymond Briggs.</s> minor co-author<br />
#-el f Virgil {{a|110868}} (995) <br />
:-elsf Visiak, E H {{a|82633}} (13)<br />
:-elsf Vivian, E C {{a|6696}} (20+) --three pseudonyms, not identified at WorldCat<br />
= Charles Cannell no97041031 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no97-041031<br />
= Barry Lynd nb2007017003 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-nb2007-017003<br />
= Jack Mann no95021935 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no95-021935<br />
?.el f Volsky, Paula {{a|2246}},19xx (9) --debut 1982 <br />
> Von Aue, Hartmann > > (?1160-?1215) German chronicler. > Arthur.<br />
#-el . Von Eschenbach, Wolfram > > Arthur; Perceval. 12/13th century {{a|183029}} (86) <br />
#-el . Von Strassburg, Gottfried > > Arthur. 12/13th century {{a|222268}} (45) <br />
0-el f Wagenknecht, Edward {{a|101461}};1900 (86)<br />
4- Wagner, Karl Edward ,1945<br />
:-el f Waite, A E {{a|117721}} (97)<br />
:-el f Wakefield, H Russell {{a|14349}} (15)<br />
:-el f Waley, Arthur {{a|147813}} (106)<br />
5.. Walker, Wendy ,1951<br />
0-el f Wall, Mervyn {{a|1745}};1908 (8)<br />
2-el f Wallop, Douglass {{a|}},1920 (29) <br />
#-el f Walpole, Horace {{a|629}} (192)<br />
q0..el f Walton, Evangeline {{a|1506}} (14)<br />
4.. Wandor, Michelene ,1940<br />
0-elsf Wandrei, Donald {{a|}};1908 (3) <br />
0-el f Wandrei, Howard {{a|1149}};1909 (2)<br />
4- Wangerin, Walter Jr ,1944<br />
><br />
:- '''Ward, Christopher''' --nidb --niEN.wiki<br />
><br />
4.. Warner, Marina ,1946<br />
0-elsf Warner, Rex {{a|169878}};1905 (87) <br />
:.el f Warner, Sylvia Townsend {{a|7092}} (75) <br />
5.. Warrington, Freda ,1956<br />
4- Watson, Ian ,1943<br />
5- Watt-Evans, Lawrence ,1954 = Evans, Lawrence Watt<br />
q3..el f Waugh, Sylvia (8)<br />
6- Weaver, Michael D ,1961<br />
3- Webber, Collin ,1939<br />
> Weber, Henry William > "(1783-1818) UK anthologist. See Anthologies.<br />
4- Weinberg, Robert ,1946<br />
4- Weir, Peter ,1944<br />
4.. Weis, Margaret ,1948<br />
?- Weisman, Jordan K ,????<br />
> Weiss, Jan > "(1892-1972) Czech writer. See Czech Republic; Slovakia.<br />
0- Wellman, Manly Wade {{a|}};1903 ()<br />
4- Wells, Angus ,1943<br />
:-elsf Wells, H G {{a|65}} (760) [[User:Pwendt/People/H. G. Wells]]<br />
><s> Wells, John Jay > </s> joint "See Marion Zimmer Bradley; Juanita Coulson.<br />
6.. Wells, Martha ,1964<br />
><br />
><br />
:.el f West, [Dame] Rebecca {{a|82909}} (97) <br />
2- Westall, Robert ,1929<br />
><br />
:.el f Weston, Jessie L {{a|206062}} (50) <br />
> Wham, Tom > "(1944- ) US author. See Rose Estes.<br />
:.el f Wharton, Edith {{a|19663}} (345) <br />
2- Wharton, William ,1927 = Albert DuAime<br />
:-elsf Wheatley, Dennis {{a|4379}} (119)<br />
5- Whitbourn, John ,1958<br />
><br />
:-el f White, E B {{a|2046}} (97) <br />
0-elsf White, T H {{a|2322}} (83) <br />
:-el f Whitehead, Henry S {{a|1214}} (4)[many] <br />
3- Whittemore, Edward ,1933<br />
:-elsf Wilde, Oscar {{a|1599}} (758) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Wilde]]<br />
><br />
q3..elsf Wilder, Cherry (11)<br />
:-el f Wilder, Thornton {{a|128182}} (216) <br />
><br />
><br />
4- Wilks, Mike ,1947 --illustrator mainly<br />
q3..el f Willard, Nancy {{a|2319}} (75)<br />
6.. Willey, Elizabeth ,1960<br />
:-elsf Williams, Charles {{a|255}} (94) <br />
above Williams, Garth ;1912 --illustrator mainly<br />
><br />
5- Williams, Michael ,1952<br />
><br />
5- Williams, Tad ,1957 = Robert Paul Williams<br />
4- Williamson, Chet ,1948 <br />
0-elsf Williamson, Jack {{a|256}};1908 (69) <br />
3-el f Williamson, J N (Gerald Neal) {{a|1436}},1932 (18) <br />
5- Williamson, Philip G ,1955<br />
4..elsf Willis, Connie {{a|99}},1945 (19)<br />
3- Wilson, Colin {{a|}},1931 ()<br />
3- Wilson, David Henry {{a|}},1937 ()<br />
4- Wilson, F Paul {{a|}},1946 ()<br />
3-elsf Wilson, Gahan {{a|1560}},1930 (55) --cartoonist<br />
><br />
><br />
5.. Windling, Terri ,1958<br />
5.. Winterson, Jeanette ,1959<br />
> Witkiewicz, Stanislaw Ignacy > "(1885-1939) Polish novelist and playwright. See Poland.<br />
:-elsf Wodehouse, [Sir] P G {{a|13508}} (477) <br />
3-elsf Wolfe, Gene {{a|171}},1931 (69)<br />
1-elsf Wollheim, Donald A {{a|826}};1914 (36) <br />
: Wollheim founded the publisher DAW Books Inc. <br />
: edited a number of science fiction anthologies and wrote the Mike Mars series and several other science fiction novels, some under the pseudonym David Grinnell)<br />
= David Grinnell https://lccn.loc.gov/no98116666 (4)<br />
3- Wongar, B ,1932<br />
4.. Wood, Bridget ,1947<br />
2- Wood, Wallace --Comics artist<br />
><br />
> Woodforde, Christopher > "(1907-1962) UK writer. See Ghost Stories for Children; James Gang.<br />
:.elsf Woolf, Virginia {{a|4308}} (320) ; :-el Leonard Woolf {{a|201306}} (104) <br />
q3..el f Woolley, Persia (9) = Janet Lois Higman Woolley<br />
:.elwf Worrell, Kathleen L {{a|263118}} (0) [2] <br />
[https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/534589102/1197313E20C477FPQ/1?accountid=11311] The Sun 1920-04-14 advertisement for April ''Physical Culture'', "Venus had spoken to this frail American girl" (only hit 'Kathleen l. worrell' 1920 1929)<br />
5.. Wrede, Patricia C ,1953<br />
:-elsf Wright, Farnsworth, ed. {{a|1130}} (1) --editor, Weird Tales<br />
q2..el f Wrightson, Patricia {{a|2364}} (26)<br />
5.. Wurts, Janny ,1953<br />
> Wyatt, Horace > "(1876-1954) US writer. See Wonderland.<br />
:-el f Wyke-Smith, E A {{a|3208}} (1)<br />
:.el f Wylie, Elinor {{a|4292}} (43)<br />
> Wylie, Jonathan = joint pseud. h/w Mark and Julia Smith<br />
4..elsf Yarbro, Chelsea Quinn {{a|360}},1942 (79+12)<br />
:-elsf Yeats, William Butler {{a|22704}} (566) <br />
4-elsf Yep, Laurence {{a|708}} (82),1948<br />
q3..elsf Yolen, Jane {{a|250}} (474)<br />
:.el f Young, Ella {{a|783}} (20)<br />
1-elsf Young, Robert F {{a|391}};1915 (6) <br />
q0..el f Yourcenar, Marguerite {{a|211321}} (110)<br />
> Záborský, Jonáš > "(1812-1876) Slovak writer. See Slovakia.<br />
3-elsf Zelazny, Roger {{a|69}},1937 (81) <br />
> Zeyer, Julius > "(1841-1901) Czech writer. See Czech Republic.<br />
4-elsf Zimmer, Paul Edwin {{a|356}},1943 (4)<br />
3-el f Zipes, Jack {{a|10593}},1937 (75)<br />
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#-el f Apuleius {{a|2066}} (178)<br />
#-el f Ariosto, Lodovico {{a|3843}} (200)<br />
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AuthorUpdate done for all entries annotated in this list, including English Wikipedia ('e') always; Library of Congress ('l') almost always; ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' ('f') all entries and many redirects. For instance compare {{a|Frank E. Schoonover}} ('f') with {{a| J. C. Leyendecker}} and {{a|Norman Rockwell}} (no 'f'), where I judged that the Encyclopedia article "Illustration" adds too little value on Leyendecker and Rockwell. That is, the ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' link for Schoonover constitutes a recommendation.<br />
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l Gruger, F. R. {{a|142872}} (82)<br />
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4 +elsf Achilleos, Chris {{a|56901}} (4) ,1947 .<br />
Adams, Neal ,1941 .<br />
1 +el f Addams, Charles "Chas" {{a|7218}} (28) ,1912 .<br />
: 19 Alastair '''--nidb<br />
Alcala, Alfredo P ,1925 ..<br />
4 +el f Aldridge, Alan {{a|2285}} (19) ,1943 .<br />
# +EIl f Arcimboldo, Giuseppe {{a|147500}} (8) --boldi, boldo, boldus ,1526 ..<br />
0 el f Ardizzone, Edward {{a|34128}} (163) ,1900 .<br />
> Aris, Ernest Alfred ><br />
> '''ART''' > Fantasy Art; Illustration<br />
>:. +el f Attwell, Mabel Lucy {{a|226763}} (6) > Illustration (6) ,1879 ..<br />
Ayrton, Michael ,1921 .<br />
-- -- .. Baynes, Pauline -- not in EoF !<br />
Bantock, Nick ,1949 .<br />
:. +el f Barker, Cicely Mary {{a|139279}} (36) ,1895 .<br />
0 +el f Barks, Carl {{a|31550}} (22) ,1901 ..<br />
> Barr, George ><br />
Barr, Ken ,1933 ..<br />
: el f Beardsley, Aubrey {{a|25644}} (119) ,1872 .<br />
> Beck, C C ><br />
>.. Bell, Julie ><br />
Bellamy, Frank '''--nidb<br />
Bermejo, Luis ,1931 .<br />
Bisley, Simon ,1962 ..<br />
: +el f Blampied, Edmund {{a|233191}} (6) ,1886 ..<br />
Bolton, John ,1951 ..<br />
# ENlf Bosch, Hieronymus {{a|26314}} (100) ,1450 ..<br />
Breccia, Alberto '''--nidb<br />
3 +elsf Briggs, Raymond {{a|117601}} (72) ,1934 .<br />
> Briggs, Stephen ><br />
: el f Brock, C E {{a|37686}} (60) ,1870 ..<br />
: el f Brock, H M {{a|62371}} (23) ,1875 ..<br />
>: +el f [W. H.] Brooke, William Henry {{a|258457}} (3) > Illustration -- illus. Croker 1825<br />
# el f Bruegel, Pieter {{a|121308}} (142) ,1525 ..<br />
: +el f Bull, René {{a|180200}} (7) ,1872 ..<br />
: el f Burne-Jones, [Sir] Edward {{a|26365}} (60) ,1833 .<br />
Burns, Jim ,1948 ..<br />
Burns, John M '''--nidb<br />
> "Byron" ><br />
: el f Caldecott, Randolph {{a|134537}} (85) ,1846 ..<br />
Campbell, Eddie ,1955 .<br />
Cawthorn, James ,1929 .<br />
Chaykin, Howard ,1950 ..<br />
: elsf Chesterton, G K {{a|2044}} (520) -- chiefly as writer ,1874<br />
: 19 Čiurlionis, Mykalojus Konstantinas () '''--nidb<br />
: +el f Clarke, Harry {{a|121981}} (10) ,1889 ..<br />
: +el f Coll, Joseph Clement {{a|114370}} (9) ,1881 ..<br />
Corben, Richard ,1940 .<br />
1 elsf Crandall, Reed {{a|122264}} (24) ,1917 .. <br />
: el f Crane, Walter {{a|117080}} (152) ,1845 ..<br />
Crepax, Guido ,1933 ..<br />
# el f Cruikshank, George {{a|116830}} (632) [http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/6843 Oxford DNB] born -09-27 ,1792 .<br />
: +el f Dadd, Richard {{a|116450}} (2) ,1817 ..<br />
0 el f Dalí, Salvador {{a|24855}} (293) ,1904 .<br />
Dean, Roger ,1944 ..<br />
: +el f de Bosschère, Jean {{a|153904}} (34) ,1878 <br />
Delano, Jamie '''--nidb except one interview (uncertain identity noted {{a|146025}})<br />
: +EFlf de Neuville, Alphonse Marie {{a|174616}} (12) ,1836 ..<br />
>#16 Dietterlin, Wendel {{a|108464}} (7) > Edifice ; Piranesi https://lccn.loc.gov/n87805561 ,1550 ..<br />
+elsf Di Fate, Vincent {{a|1803}} (7)<br />
>:19 Dirks, Rudolph > Comics -- Katzenjammer Kids '''--nidb<br />
Disney, Walt '''--nidb<br />
Ditko, Steve ,1927 ..<br />
: EFlf Doré, Gustave {{a|26414}} (305) ,1832 ..<br />
: el f Doyle, Richard {{a|157832}} (57) ,1824 .<br />
> Druillet, Philippe ><br />
: EFlf Dulac, Edmund {{a|105321}} (63) ,1882 .<br />
># el f Dürer, Albrecht >> [Illustration] {{a|77865}} (485) ,1471 ..<br />
4 elsf Edwards, Les {{a|25101}} (3) 1949 ..<br />
> Eggleton, Bob ><br />
1 el f Eisner, Will {{a|37770}} (98) ,1917 .. <br />
> Eleuteri-Serpieri, Paolo ><br />
Embleton, Ron ,1930 .<br />
Emett, Rowland '''--nidb<br />
: el f Ernst, Max {{a|25280}} (195) ,1891 ..<br />
: elsf Escher, M C {{a|25296}} (46) ,1898 ..<br />
> Fabian, Stephen ><br />
'''FANTASY ART''' [JG/RT] by Jon Gustafson and Ron Tiner<br />
: l f Fell, H Granville {{a|168215}} (10) ,1872 ..<br />
Fernandez, Fernando ,1940 ..<br />
> Finger, Bill (22) > [Batman co-creator] '''--nidb<br />
1 +elsf Finlay, Virgil {{a|1084}} (3) ,1914 .<br />
Firchow, Steve ,1966 ..<br />
>: +elw Fitzgerald, John Anster {{a|59091}} (0?) > Illustration ,1819 ..<br />
Fitzpatrick, Jim ,1948 .<br />
: +el f Flint, [Sir] W Russell {{a|132835}} (3) ,1880 ..<br />
Flynn, Danny ,1958 ..<br />
: el f Ford, H J {{a|120009}} (38) ,1860 ..<br />
3 +el f Foreman, Michael {{a|8283}} (159) ,1938 .<br />
: el f Foster, Harold R [Hal] {{a|113098}} (9) -- comic strip Tarzan, Prince Valiant ,1892 ..<br />
19 Fraser, Claud Lovat '''--nidb<br />
0 +el f Fraser, Eric George {{a|114951}} (4) ,1902 ..<br />
2 +elsf Frazetta, Frank {{a|1825}} (19) ,1928 ..<br />
2 +elsf Freas, Kelly {{a|488}} (17) ,1922 ..<br />
> "Fritz" ><br />
> el f Frost, Arthur Burdette [Burdett] >> [Illustration] {{a|112538}} (229) ,1851 ..<br />
4 el f Froud, Brian {{a|4048}} (37) ,1947 .<br />
: el f Furniss, Harry {{a|113861}} (41) ,1854 ..<br />
# el f Fuseli, Henry {{a|26228}} (53) ,1741 ..<br />
> Gerber, Steve ><br />
4 +EDlsf Giger, H R {{a|21090}} (20) ,1940 ..<br />
>18 Gillray, James > Comics '''--nidb<br />
Giolitti, Alberto '''--nidb<br />
> Giraud, Jean > see Moebius<br />
: +elsf Goble, Warwick {{a|26164}} (12) ,1862 ..<br />
: elsf Goldberg, Rube [R.L.] {{a|238431}} (58) ,1883 ..<br />
> "Gore" ><br />
2 elsf Gorey, Edward {{a|1880}} (194) ,1925 .<br />
<u>Goscinny and Uderzo</u><br />
= René Goscinny ,1926 (one work as writer)<br />
= Albert Uderzo ,1927 (one work as writer/illustrator)<br />
: +elsf Gould, F Carruthers {{a|228371}} (14) poor canonical name? --cartoonist ,1844 .<br />
: +EFlsf Grandville, Isidore {{a|152270}} (96) ,1803 .<br />
:.. el f Greenaway, Kate {{a|173272}} (84) ,1846 ..<br />
: + l f Griset, Ernest {{a|107748}} (17) https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n90-626969 ,1844 ..<br />
# +EDl f Grünewald, Matthias {{a|176663}} (45) ,1470 ..<br />
Gurney, James ,1958 .<br />
>.. Harris, Mabel Rollins ><br />
: el f Herriman, George {{a|24479}} (57) -- comic strip Krazy Kat ,1880 ..<br />
Hescox, Richard ,1949 ..<br />
> Higgins, Graham ><br />
<u>Hildebrandt Brothers</u><br />
3 elsf Greg {{a|8024}} (55) ,1939 .<br />
3 elsf Tim {{a|25736}} (36) ,1939 .<br />
1 el f Hogarth, Burne {{a|121762}} (31) -- comic strip Tarzan ,1911 ..<br />
'''ILLUSTRATION''' [RT] by Ron Tiner<br />
> Infantino, Carmine ><br />
.1 elsf Ingels, Graham {{a|27729}} (15) ,1915 .. <br />
-- Ipcar, Dahlov --inserted 2017-08-16 <br />
--indb chiefly as writer (below), probably known chiefly as picture book illustrator<br />
2 +el f Jacques, Robin {{a|26271}} (53) ,1920 ..<br />
Jones, Chuck --indb no data ..<br />
Jones, Jeffrey ,1944 .<br />
Jones, Peter Andrew ,1951 ..<br />
Kaluta, Michael William ,1947 ..<br />
1 +elsf Kane, Bob {{a|8501}} (204) ,1915 .<br />
: +elsf Kauffer, Edward McKnight {{a|116597}} (33) ,1890 ..<br />
2 el f Keeping, Charles {{a|78341}} (70) ,1924 ..<br />
Kelly, Ken ,1946 ..<br />
1 el f Kelly, Walt {{a|40301}} (185) -- comic strip Pogo ,1913 ..<br />
>:19 King, Frank > Comics '''--nidb<br />
Kirby, Josh ,1928 .<br />
1 elsf Krenkel, Roy G {{a|901}} (7) ,1918 .. <br />
>: +DEl f Kubin, Alfred {{a|122909}} (110) > Austria; Germany ,1877<br />
4 el f Lee, Alan {{a|3392}} (22) ,1947 .<br />
: +el f Leech, John {{a|152008}} (84) ,1817 ..<br />
: +elsf Lewis, Wyndham {{a|49201}} (139) ,1882 <br />
>: +el Leyendecker, J C {{a|223992}} (34) > Illustration ,1874 ..<br />
: +el f Lindsay, Norman {{a|30344}} (65) -- chiefly as writer ,1879 <br />
> Lleida, Rosa ><br />
: elsf Lofting, Hugh {{a|5360}} (89) -- chiefly as writer ,1886 <br />
McBride, Angus ,1931 ..<br />
6 +elsf McKean, Dave {{a|2471}} (48) ,1963 .<br />
: el f Magritte, René {{a|4858}} (110) ,1898 ..<br />
5 +elsf Maitz, Don {{a|421}} (4) ,1953 ..<br />
Manara, Milo ,1945 .<br />
Maroto, Esteban ,1942 ..<br />
# +elsf Martin, John b. 1789 {{a|118729}} (12) ,1789 ..<br />
Matthews, Rodney ,1945 (also one chapbook) ..<br />
Mattingly, David B ,1956 ..<br />
>:19 Maxon, Rex > Comics; Tarzan '''--nidb<br />
Mignola, Michael J ,1960 .<br />
: +el f Millais, [Sir] John Everett {{a|131549}} (34) ,1829 ..<br />
: el f Millar, H R {{a|37676}} (18) .1869 ..<br />
Miller, Frank ,1957 ..<br />
Miller, Ian ,1946 ..<br />
Mills, Patrick '''--nidb<br />
> Minton, John ><br />
3 +EFlsf Moebius {{a|26595}} (37) = Jean Giraud ,1938 ..<br />
> Morrill, Rowena ><br />
6 el f Morrison, Grant {{a|3231}} (165) -- indb as writer ,1960<br />
: el f Morrow, George {{a|14108}} (18) 1869 ..<br />
>.. Mozert, Zoe ><br />
# +el f Mulready, William {{a|190796}} (6) > Illustration ,1786 .<br />
: --''Butterfly's Ball'' by William Roscoe[nidb] 1807 https://lccn.loc.gov/73165023<br />
; cf Alan Aldridge {{a|2285}} 1973 edition nidb<br />
; EN.wiki ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Butterfly%27s_Ball,_and_the_Grasshopper%27s_Feast Butterfly's Ball]''<br />
Niño, Alex ,1940 ..<br />
19 Odle, Alan '''--nidb<br />
4.. el f Olivia [De Bernardinis] {{a|37135}} ,1948 ..<br />
>:.. +el f [O'Neill] O'Niell, Rose Cecil {{a|196799}} (50) > Illustration --indb as writer only ,1874<br />
Ortiz, José = Jose Ortiz Moya, Spanish comics artist ,1932 '''--nidb<br />
Otomo, Katsuhiro ,1954 .<br />
>:19 Outcoult, R F > Comics '''--nidb<br />
: +el f Papé, Frank C {{a|26984}} (24) --signed Frank C Pape and PAPE respectively https://lccn.loc.gov/n79067911 (notes, draft at [[User:Pwendt/temp]]) ,1878 ..<br />
: el f Parrish, Maxfield {{a|21111}} (70) ,1870 ..<br />
>: +el f Paton, [Sir] Joseph Noel {{a|215156}} (11) > Illustration ,1821 ..<br />
1 +elsf Peake, Mervyn {{a|2318}} (80) ,1911 .<br />
Pennington, Bruce ,1944 ..<br />
3 +el f Pieńkowski, Jan {{a|33465}} (88) -- as Pienkowski ,1936 .<br />
Pini, Richard --almost exclusively as writer ,1950 .<br />
5.. Pini, Wendy ,1951 .<br />
> Piper, John ><br />
# +elsf Piranesi, Giovanni Battista {{a|196589}} (113) ,1720 ..<br />
Ploog, Mike 1942 ..<br />
: +el f Pogány, Willy {{a|163273}} (68) -- as Pogany ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Pogany]] ,1882 .<br />
> Pratt, Hugo ><br />
: el f Pyle, Howard {{a|6311}} (188) ,1853 .<br />
: el f Rackham, Arthur {{a|34363}} (140) ,1867 ..<br />
0 +elsf Raymond, Alex {{a|29918}} (43) -- Flash Gordon ,1909 .<br />
: elsf Robinson, Charles {{a|88489}} (many) -- "referred to in the entry for W. Heath Robinson" ,1870 ..<br />
: elsf Robinson, W Heath {{a|81073}} (65) ,1872 .<br />
>: +el Rockwell, Norman {{a|115640}} (127) > ,1894 ..<br />
>:19 Ross, Charles Henry () > Comics -- The Yellow Kid '''--nidb<br />
: el f Rossetti, Dante Gabriel {{a|22705}} (183) ,1828 .<br />
: el f Rountree, Harry {{a|129171}} (7) ,1878 ..<br />
Rowena ,1944 .<br />
# 18 Rowlandson, Thomas () > Comics '''--nidb<br />
> Rubimor ><br />
>:19 St John, John Allen > Tarzan '''--nidb<br />
> Sale, Tim ><br />
Sanjulian, Manuel Perez ,1941 ..<br />
Scarfe, Gerald '''--nidb<br />
>: +el f Schoonover, Frank {{a|109163}} (34) > Illustration ,1877 ..<br />
Searle, Ronald ,1920 .<br />
Segrelles, Vi[n]cente ,1940 ..<br />
2 el f Sendak, Maurice {{a|7838}} (183) ,1928 .<br />
0 el f Seuss, Dr {{a|194995}} (190)+30+9+1 ,1904 .<br />
: el f Shepard, E H {{a|109448}} (192) ,1879 ..<br />
Sienkiewicz, Bill ,1958 ..<br />
> Sim, Dave ><br />
: el f Sime, S H [Sidney] {{a|25339}} (10) ,1867 ..<br />
>:19 Simmons, John {{a|157831}} dnf LC WorldCat () > Illustration http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=simmons_john ; d. 1876-11 ,1823 ..<br />
> Smith, Barry > = Windsor-Smith<br />
Steadman, Ralph .1936 ..<br />
>19 Stevens, Laurence > Finlay[dnf]<br />
Stout, William ,1949 .<br />
'''SURREALISM''' [GKW] by Gary K Wolfe<br />
3 +elsf Sweet, Darrell K {{a|1353}} (4) ,1934 ..<br />
> <s>Syme, Sidney Herbert > Illustration</s> --duplicates Sime<br />
Szilagyi, Steve ,1952 --indb only as novel ''Photographing Fairies''<br />
: +el f Tenniel, [Sir] John {{a|8424}} (171) ,1820 ..<br />
: +el f Thackeray, William Makepeace {{a|119470}} (484) -- chiefly as writer ,1811<br />
Thorne, Frank (3) ,1930 .<br />
Tiner, Ron = realname Tickner (author of "Fantasy Art", "Illustration") ,1940 .<br />
>.. Tourtel, Mary > Comics<br />
4 +ESlsf Vallejo, Boris {{a|1810}} (28) ,1941 ..<br />
>: el f Verbeek, Gustave [G.] {{a|185229}} (4) > Comics ,1867 ..<br />
--''Harper's'' debut likely v103 (missing at HDL); found in v104 Contents as Gustave Verbeek<br />
Vess, Charles ,1951 .<br />
>:19 Wain, Louis > Illustration '''--nidb<br />
0 +el f Wandrei, Howard {{a|1149}} (2) --chiefly as writer ,1909 <br />
>:19 Wenzell, Albert Beck > Illustration '''--nidb<br />
5 +elsf Whelan, Michael {{a|1804}} (17) ,1950 ..<br />
> White, Mel ><br />
White, Tim ,1952 .<br />
>: +DEl Wiese, Kurt {{a|122379}} (337) > Walter R Brooks ,1887 ..<br />
1 +el f Williams, Garth {{a|7320}} (139) ,1912 .<br />
6 el f Williams, Kent {{a|23090}} ,1962 ..<br />
Williamson, Al ,1931 .<br />
below Wilson, Gahan --chiefly as writer ,1930 .<br />
Windsor-Smith, Barry ,1949 ..<br />
Wood, Wallace ,1927 ..<br />
Woodroffe, Patrick ,1940 .<br />
Wrightson, Bernie ,1948 .<br />
: el f Wyeth, N C {{a|27249}} (127) ,1882 ..<br />
{{a|}} ()<br />
<br />
; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM]] (Dulac)<br />
<br />
== Author ==<br />
5.ew April Derleth {{a|24131}} --niLC niVIAF [1],1954 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/1237415] <br />
<br />
;return to this project July 2019<br />
;return again February 2023<br />
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.J. S. Goodall {{a|201678}} https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n79-055243<br />
.David Walsh, illus. --nidb --niLC https://www.worldcat.org/identities/viaf-283896982/<br />
<br />
:-els Sir (Saint) Thomas More {{a|1150}} (186)<br />
:-els John Oxenham (pseud.) {{a|119447}} (73)) = William Arthur Dunkerley<br />
<br />
<br />
''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/fe/category/author Author entries: 1781] (1343 full; 438 cross-reference)<br />
: 59 pre-1800 all done 2017-12-03 (includes Grimm duo and a few redirects) but there must be others whom i don't recognize, yet to be tagged<br />
<br />
2017-11-28 with User space cross-references to [[User:Pwendt/People]] (and subpages), [[User:Pwendt/Series]], [[User:Pwendt/FFM]]<br />
<br />
Not in SFE-Fantasy<br />
.el.. Karen Wynn Fonstad {{a|5941}} (7)<br />
#.el.. Mary Lamb {{a|190794}} (112) --co-author w husband Charles Lamb, below<br />
els. Peter Nicholls {{a|7937}} (10) --SFE co-author w John Clute <br />
eLLLs Robert Reginald {{a|1103}} (46) + Michael Burgess (28) + Boden Clarke (24) <br />
= Lucas Webb (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/n86030922 ''The attempted assassination of John F. Kennedy : a political fantasy'' --one-time pseud.<br />
= C. Everett Cooper (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/n86030923 ''Up your asteroid! : A science fiction farce'' --one-time pseud.<br />
:-els J. Jefferson Farjeon {{a|146846}} (47) <br />
. lw Joan Jefferson Farjeon {{a|78349}} (1) <br />
:-ECLLs. Josef Čapek, older brother {{a|228375}} (70) <br />
+ 6 collabs as Brothers Capek https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n88-092947<br />
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tags {{done}} --see the foot of the table <br />
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3- Aamodt, Donald<br />
4..elsf Abbey, Lynn {{a|115}} (33)<br />
:-el f Abdullah, Achmed {{a|1689}} (45) <br />
q2-EJlsf Abé, Kobo (108)<br />
:- '''À Beckett, Arthur William (1844), a younger son''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_William_%C3%A0_Beckett EN (family point of entry)]<br />
:- '''À Beckett, Gilbert Abbott (1811), father''' --nidb<br />
:- '''À Beckett, Gilbert Arthur (1837), eldest son''' --nidb<br />
6- ab Hugh, Dafydd<br />
4- Ackroyd, Peter<br />
4- Adair, Gilbert<br />
><s> Adams, Nicholas > </s> <br />
2- Adams, Richard<br />
3- Adams, Robert<br />
:-elsf Adeler, Max {{a|1690}} (21) = LC: Charles Heber Clark<br />
4- Adkins, Patrick H<br />
:-eLsf A.E. or Æ {{a|127}} (43) +George William Russell (30) = George William Russell<br />
4.. l e Agins, Phyllis Carol {{a|4709}} (2)[same 2]<br />
1- Aickman, Robert<br />
:-el f Aiken, Conrad {{a|1202}} (133)<br />
2..elsf Aiken, Joan {{a|582}} (140) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#The Wolves]]<br />
> lws Aiken, John > (son, brother)<br />
:-e Ainsworth, William Harrison<br />
> Ajvaz, Michal > > Czech Republic<br />
><s> Akers, Alan Burt > </s> Kenneth Bulmer<br />
><s> Aki, Tanuki > </s> Charles de Lint<br />
:-EJl f Akutagawa, Ryunosuke {{a|112179}} (129) <br />
:-ew f Alan, A J {{a|78929}} --niLC [12] = Leslie Harrison Lambert<br />
:-ESlsf Alarcón, Pedro A de {{a|2060}} (186)<br />
2- Aldiss, Brian W<br />
2-el f Alexander, Lloyd {{a|691}} (78) [[User:Pwendt/People/Lloyd Alexander]]<br />
2- Alexander, Marc<br />
:- lsf Allen, F M, pseud. {{a|162102}} (11) = Edmund Downey<br />
:-elsf Allen, Grant {{a|1699}} (102) +0+0+0 <br />
4.. Allende, Isabel<br />
:-el Allingham, William (poems only indb) {{a|118550}} > Richard Doyle; Andrew Lang<br />
:. w f Allonby, Edith {{a|122926}} --niLC [4] <br />
''The Fulfilment'' (1905) 2011 Kindle ed., ASIN: B005HQ4Y86 [https://www.amazon.com/Fulfilment-Edith-Allonby-ebook/dp/B005HQ4Y86 at Amazon]<br />
> Alvarenga, Lucas José D' > > Brazil<br />
> Amadís de Gaula --work by Montalvo among others <br />
+ #-el f Montalvo, Garcí Rodríguez de {{a|169779}} (16)<br />
1- Amado, Jorge<br />
:-el f Amery, L S {{a|222063}} (41) <br />
1..elsf Ames, Mildred {{a|3187}} (13)<br />
2- Amis, Kingsley<br />
4- Amis, Martin<br />
:-el f Andersen, Hans Christian {{a|19348}} (1687)<br />
><s> Anderson, Dana > </s> Charles de Lint<br />
> Anderson, Karen > > Poul Anderson --editor, wife<br />
3.. l f Anderson, Margaret J {{a|6186}} (30) http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n80-022988<br />
2- Anderson, Poul<br />
:- lwsf Andom, R {{a|162349}} (1)[many] = Alfred Walter Barrett<br />
> Andrade, Mário de > > Brazil<br />
>#- '''Andreae, Johann''' > > Alchemy; Rosicrucianism<br />
1- Andrews, Allen<br />
q2..el f Andrews, Virginia C [V. C.] (134)<br />
:-ERlsf Andreyev, Leonid {{a|237592}} (151) <br />
> Anmar, Frank > > Charles Beaumont; William F Nolan<br />
:-elsf Anstey, F {{a|1697}} (63)<br />
3- Anthony, Piers<br />
5- Antrim, Donald<br />
><s> Aparthur, C > > Kenneth Morris </s><br />
#-el f Apel, Johann August {{a|210857}} (15) <br />
:-el f Apollinaire, Guillaume {{a|2228}} (237)<br />
#-el f Apuleius {{a|2066}} (178)<br />
> Arbes, Jakub > > Czech Republic<br />
4- Arenas, Reinaldo<br />
#-el f Ariosto, Lodovico {{a|3843}} (200)<br />
#-el f Aristophanes {{a|254732}} (454) <br />
:-elsf Arlen, Michael {{a|112213}} (44)<br />
:-elsf Armstrong, Anthony {{a|15187}} (53) <br />
><s> Armstrong, Fytton > </s> John Gawsworth<br />
:-el f Armstrong, Martin {{a|14031}} (62) <br />
><s> Armstrong, T I F > </s> John Gawsworth<br />
4.. Arnason, Eleanor <br />
> Arnim, Achim von > > Folklore<br />
:-el f Arnold, [Sir] Edwin {{a|122246}} (107)<br />
:-elsf Arnold, Edwin Lester {{a|738}} (13)<br />
> Arnold, Mark Alan > > Midori Snyder; Terri Windling --editor<br />
?- Arscott, David --publications from 1984<br />
!q0-el f Arthur, Robert (125) = Alfred Hitchcock ghost wr/ed<br />
0.. l f Arthur, Ruth M {{a|221801}} (17) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Ruth M. Arthur]]<br />
><s> Arthur, Walshingham > </s> Kenneth Morris<br />
> Artmann, H C > > Austria<br />
5.. Ash, Constance<br />
4-elsf Ashley, Mike {{a|1367}} (83) --Encyclopedia contributor<br />
?- Ashton, Charles --publications from 1991<br />
2- Asimov, Isaac<br />
4- Asprin, Robert Lynn<br />
:.el f Asquith, [Lady] Cynthia {{a|14887}} (47);1887 ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Asquith]]<br />
q:-ESl f Asturias, Miguel (154)<br />
:- w f Atkey, Bertram {{a|20306}} --niLC [several WorldCat]<br />
5- Attanasio, A A <br />
5- Attebery, Brian<br />
3? Auel, Jean M --(Jean Marie) The Clan of the Cave Bear<br />
#.el f Aulnoy, Madame D' {{a|110753}} (71) <br />
#-el f Austin, William {{a|114964}} (9)<br />
3-el f Avi {{a|6305}} (99)<br />
> Awlinson, Richard > > Scott Ciencin; James Lowder<br />
q0-EFlsf Aymé, Marcel (125)<br />
2- Ayrton, Michael<br />
>: Azevedo, Alvares de > > Brazil<br />
---- ---- above this line, work on redirects 2017-12-16 ---- ----<br />
6.. Babbitt, Lucy Cullyford ,1960<br />
3..el f Babbitt, Natalie {{a|3435}} (31),1932<br />
Bach, Richard<br />
1.. lwf Bacon, Martha {{a|162093}} (1);1917 = Martha Oliver-Smith <br />
> Bailey, Hilary ><br />
5- Bailey, Robin Wayne<br />
:-el f Bain, F W {{a|95517}} (48)<br />
1- Baker, Denys Val<br />
q0-elsf Baker, Frank (3)<br />
:- lwf Baker, George A {{a|95873}} (12)<br />
:- lwf Baker, G P {{a|221915}} (16) <br />
3- Baker, Michael<br />
4- Baker, Scott<br />
5- Baliol, Alexander<br />
4.. Ball, Margaret ,1947<br />
3- Ballard, J G<br />
#-elsf Balzac, Honoré de {{a|1596}} (785) <br />
> Banat, D R > Ray Bradbury<br />
:-elsf Bangs, John Kendrick {{a|4945}} (104) [[User:Pwendt/People/John Kendrick Bangs]]<br />
><s> Banks, Lynne Reid > </s><br />
4- Banville, John<br />
> Barclay, Bill ><br />
#-el f Barham, Richard Harris {{a|18315}} (24) (LC: Ingoldsby, Thomas, 1788-1845)<br />
:-elsf Baring, Maurice {{a|15654}} (116)<br />
:-el f Baring-Gould, S {{a|34421}} (171)<br />
5- Barker, Clive<br />
q0-el f Barks, Carl (39)<br />
> Barnes, Arthur K ><br />
> Barnett, H C ><br />
> Barnett, Lisa A ><br />
> Barnett, Paul ><br />
:-elsf Barr, Robert {{a|15670}} (2) = (pseud.) Luke Sharp<br />
> Barrett, Wilson ><br />
:-el f Barrie, [Sir] J M {{a|1967}} (392) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Barrie . Peter]]<br />
:-el f Barringer, Leslie {{a|2997}} (14)<br />
> Barrington, E ><br />
> Barrington, Michael ><br />
3- Barth, John<br />
3- Barthelme, Donald<br />
:-el f Baudelaire, Charles {{a|120635}} (433) <br />
5.. Baudino, Gael ,1955<br />
4- Bauer, Steven<br />
:-elsf Baum, L Frank {{a|162}} (391) --EN "no more links" ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Baum . Mo Yew]]<br />
3-elsf Beagle, Peter S {{a|1039}} (26)<br />
> Bean, Norman ><br />
5- Bear, Greg<br />
:-el f Beardsley, Aubrey {{a|25644}} (119) <br />
:. lwf Beauclerk, Helen {{a|132242}} (11) --wife of (EN.wiki) or lived with Edmund Dulac 1923--1953 (his death)<br />
2- Beaumont, Charles = later legalized name of Charles Leroy Nutt (1929-1967)<br />
> Beaumont, E T ><br />
><s> Beaumont, Marie Leprince de > </s><br />
:.el f Beck, L Adams {{a|4480}} (40) +7 Barrington +3 Moresby = Elizabeth Louisa Moresby<br />
q0-el f Beckett, Samuel (297)<br />
#-el f Beckford, William {{a|630}} (72)<br />
> Bécquer, Gustavo Adolfo ><br />
:-elsf Bedford-Jones, H {{a|2012}} (27)<br />
:-elsf Beerbohm, Max {{a|20194}} (146)<br />
:-elsf Begbie, Harold {{a|120103}} (89)<br />
:-el f Belasco, David {{a|132289}} (153)<br />
5.. Bell, Clare .1952<br />
6- Bell, Douglas<br />
:-elsf Bell, Neil {{a|94681}} (60) = Stephen Southwold<br />
3-el f Bellairs, John {{a|1495}} (42)<br />
5.. Belle, Pamela ,1952<br />
2- Bemmann, Hans<br />
:-elsf Benét, Stephen Vincent {{a|762}} (169)<br />
:-elsf Benét, William Rose {{a|25042}} (65)<br />
> Bennett, Anna Elizabeth ><br />
:-elsf Bennett, Arnold {{a|2461}} (336)<br />
> Bennett, John ><br />
:-elsf Benson, A C {{a|1665}} (113) = "B"<br />
:-elsf Benson, E F {{a|1666}} (188)<br />
:-elsf Benson, Robert Hugh {{a|1957}} (63)<br />
:.elsf Benson, Stella {{a|20397}} (32)<br />
5.. Berberick, Nancy Varian ,1951<br />
:.el f Beresford, Elisabeth {{a|93973}} (20)<br />
2- Berger, Thomas<br />
> Bernanos, Georges ><br />
2- Bernanos, Michel<br />
1- Bertram, Noel = Joseph Noel Thomas Boston<br />
:-elsf Besant, Sir Walter {{a|2037}} (218)<br />
6-elsf Betancourt, John Gregory {{a|183}} (23)<br />
3- Bethancourt, T Ernesto = Tomàs Ernesto Bethancourt Passailaigue<br />
> Bibiana, Jean Galli de ><br />
:-elsf Bierce, Ambrose {{a|1960}} (143)<br />
1- Bioy Casares, Adolfo<br />
q0-el f Birkin, Charles (0) = real name of Charles Lloyd<br />
4- Bishop, Michael<br />
4- Bisson, Terry<br />
2- Bixby, Jerome<br />
> Black, Robert ><br />
> Blacklin, Malcolm ><br />
:-elsf Blackwood, Algernon {{a|1126}} (76)<br />
> Blade, Alexander ><br />
#-el f Blake, William {{a|2071}} (570) <br />
1- Blamires, Harry<br />
2- Blatty, William Peter<br />
:.el f Blavatsky, [Madame] H P {{a|19737}} (118) <br />
5- Blaylock, James P<br />
:-elsf Blayre, Christopher (pseud.) {{a|118327}} (47) = Edward Heron-Allen<br />
2-elsf Bleiler, E F {{a|307}} (33) <br />
5-els Bleiler, Richard > [son] {{a|21219}} (12) <br />
2- Blish, James<br />
> Blishen, Edward ><br />
><s> Blixen, Karen > </s><br />
1- Bloch, Robert<br />
6.. Block, Francesca Lia ,1962<br />
> Bloggsleigh, Aubrey Tyndall ><br />
3- Bloom, Harold<br />
> Blyth, James ><br />
> Blyton, Enid ><br />
#-el f Boccaccio, Giovanni {{a|127910}} (464) <br />
5.. Bohnhoff, Maya Kaathryn ,1954<br />
#- '''Boiardo, Matteo Mario, Count of Scandiano''' > --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matteo_Maria_Boiardo EN]<br />
1- Bok, Hannes = Wayne Woodard<br />
> Bond, Michael ><br />
4.. Bond, Nancy ,1945<br />
q0-elsf Bond, Nelson S (13)<br />
> Bonfiglioli, Kyril ><br />
3- Bontly, Thomas<br />
:-elsf Boothby, Guy {{a|20823}} (35)<br />
:-elsf Borges, Jorge Luis {{a|1125}} (460) <br />
> Boron, Robert de ><br />
:.el f Boston, Lucy M {{a|6495}} (40) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#L. M. Boston]]<br />
> Boston, Noel ><br />
> Botto, Ján ><br />
1- Boucher, Anthony = William Anthony Parker White<br />
:.eLLLf Bowen, Marjorie {{a|12578}} (107) +15 Preedy +14 Shearing <br />
= Robert Paye[--niLC]<br />
= George Preedy <br />
= Joseph Shearing <br />
= John Winch https://lccn.loc.gov/no97058533 (0)<br />
5- Bowkett, Stephen<br />
5. Boyer, Elizabeth H ,1952<br />
6- Boyett, Steven R<br />
> Bozic, Stretan ><br />
1..elsf Brackett, Leigh {{a|334}} (35);1915<br />
> Bradbury, Edward P ><br />
2- Bradbury, Ray<br />
:.el f Braddon, Mary E {{a|78925}} (221) <br />
5- Bradfield, Scott<br />
q3..elsf Bradley, Marion Zimmer (116)<br />
5.. Bradshaw, Gillian ,1956<br />
:-elsf Bramah, Ernest {{a|377}} (33)<br />
> Brand, Max ><br />
> Brandner, Gary ><br />
3- Brautigan, Richard<br />
1- Brennan, Joseph Payne<br />
5- Brenner, Mayer Alan<br />
5- Brennert, Alan<br />
> Brentano, Clemens ><br />
> Brice, Martin H ><br />
:.el f Briggs, Katharine M {{a|109054}} (36) <br />
3- Briggs, Raymond<br />
> Briggs, Stephen ><br />
6.. Brite, Poppy Z ,1967<br />
4? Brittain, C Dale ,1948<br />
> Brod, Max ><br />
:.el f Brontë, Charlotte {{a|1698}} (334) <br />
4- Brooke, William J<br />
4- Brooks, Terry<br />
:-elsf Brooks, Walter R {{a|6256}} (73) <br />
q2..elsf Brophy, Brigid (47) <br />
> Brosnan, John ><br />
:.elsf Broster, D K {{a|20860}} (17) <br />
#-el f Brown, Charles Brockden {{a|109144}} (94) <br />
q0-EJlsf Brown, Fredric (56)<br />
2- Brown, George Mackay<br />
1..el f Brown, Margaret Wise {{a|164720}} (247+);1910<br />
= as Juniper Sage, joint https://lccn.loc.gov/n79108845<br />
2..el f Brown, Mary {{a|1877}} (6 or 7)[13],1929 <br />
> Brown, Will ><br />
:-el f Browning, Robert {{a|4192}} (510)<br />
4..el f Broxon, Mildred Downey {{a|1553}} (3)[7],1944<br />
3- Brunner, John<br />
5- Brust, Steven<br />
> Bryan, Michael ><br />
4- Bryant, Edward<br />
:-elsf Buchan, John {{a|3627}} (208)<br />
:- '''Büchner, Georg --German dramatist mainly''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_B%C3%BCchner EN]<br />
#-el f Bulfinch, Thomas {{a|20326}} (76) <br />
:-elsf Bulgakov, Mikhail {{a|234949}} (180)<br />
5.. Bull, Emma ,1954<br />
:-el f Bullett, Gerald {{a|19971}} (78) = (pseud., non-genre?) Sebastian Fox<br />
2- Bulmer, Kenneth<br />
:-elsf Bulwer-Lytton, [Sir] Edward, First Baron Lytton {{a|2019}} (406)<br />
><s> Bulwer-Lytton, Robert > </s> = Edward Bulwer-Lytton<br />
4- Bunch, Chris<br />
#-el f Bunyan, John {{a|34400}} (189+) <br />
:.eLLsf Burdekin, Katherine {{a|3081}} (9) +4 Constantine<br />
= Murray Constantine (4)<br />
><s> Burdekin, Kay > </s><br />
q3..el f Burford, Lolah (6)<br />
1- Burgess, Anthony = John Anthony Burgess Wilson<br />
:-el f Burgess, Gelett {{a|15655}} (70)<br />
:.el f Burnett, Frances Hodgson {{a|4178}} (330)<br />
> Burgess, Thornton W ><br />
5- Burns, Richard<br />
:-el f Burrage, A M {{a|6518}} (7)<br />
:-elsf Burroughs, Edgar Rice {{a|143}} (347)<br />
> Burroughs, Joseph B ><br />
1- Burroughs, William S<br />
> Burton, [Sir] Richard ><br />
4.. Bushyager, Linda E ,1947<br />
:.el f Butts, Mary {{a|82905}} (19) <br />
q3..el f Byatt, A S (65)<br />
#-elsf Byron, Lord {{a|19966}} (607) <br />
:-elsf Cabell, James Branch {{a|341}} (123)<br />
2- Cabrera Infante, Guillermo<br />
> Cain, G ><br />
> Calado, Ivanir ><br />
q2..elsf Caldecott, Moyra (16) = real name of Olivia Brown <br />
NEED inform SFE<br />
> Calhoun, Mary ><br />
3- Callander, Don<br />
:-Nlw f Calthrop, Dion Clayton {{a|173606}} (38) <br />
2- Calvino, Italo<br />
1..elsf Cameron, Eleanor {{a|1508}} (26);1912<br />
> Cameron, John ><br />
> Campbell, Angus ><br />
4- Campbell, Ramsey<br />
> Cannell, Charles Henry ><br />
:-ECLLsf Čapek, Karel {{a|161}} (300) + 6 collabs as Brothers Capek https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n88-092947<br />
:-elsf Capes, Bernard {{a|2083}} (16) <br />
> Capitano, Il ><br />
> Capote, Truman ><br />
5-elsf Card, Orson Scott {{a|15}} (126)<br />
4- Carey, Peter<br />
4.. Carl, Lillian Stewart ,1949<br />
> Carlsen, Chris ><br />
#-el f Carlyle, Thomas {{a|113667}} (440) <br />
> Carpenter, Leonard ><br />
q0-ellsf Carr, John Dickson (120+40+) = Carter Dickson &c<br />
3- Carr, Terry<br />
4- Carroll, Jonathan<br />
:-eLsf Carroll, Lewis {{a|3059}} (827) +Dodgson (25) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Carroll . Alice]]; [[User:Pwendt/People/Lewis Carroll]]<br />
> Carryl, Charles E ><br />
4..elsf Carter, Angela {{a|1172}} (56),1940 ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Angela Carter]]<br />
3-elsf Carter, Lin {{a|353}} (35) <br />
> Carter, Marilyn ><br />
> Case, Justin ><br />
1- Cave, Hugh B<br />
2-lwsf Cawthorn, James {{a|4126}} (3)<br />
#-el f Cazotte, Jacques {{a|4125}} (30) <br />
#-el f Cervantes, Miguel de Saavedra {{a|170356}} (1541) <br />
4- Chalker, Jack L<br />
3- Chambers, Aidan<br />
:-elsf Chambers, Robert W {{a|385}} (140) <br />
#-el f Chamisso, Adelbert von {{a|122107}} (103) <br />
4.. Chant, Joy ,1945<br />
:.el f Chapman, Vera {{a|1509}} (1) <br />
q3..elsf Charnas, Suzy Mckee (14)<br />
[Charnas: EoF later removed, oocities restored; EoF restored 2023-0216<br />
5- Charrette, Robert N<br />
3- Charyn, Jerome<br />
> Chase, Mary ><br />
#-el f Chaucer, Geoffrey {{a|107557}} (603) <br />
1- Cheever, John<br />
4..elsf Cherryh, C J {{a|16}} (94),1942<br />
4- Chesbro, George C<br />
:-elsf Chesterton, G K {{a|2044}} (526)<br />
6.. Chetwin, Grace ,1964<br />
1-elsf Chetwynd-Hayes, R {{a|1694}} (7+1)<br />
> Chew, Ruth ><br />
4.. Chin, M Lucie ,1947<br />
:.el f Chopin, Kate {{a|19535}} (65) <br />
#-el f Chrétien de Troyes {{a|198209}} (152) <br />
2-elsf Christopher, John {{a|378}} (59) + pseudonyms = Sam Youd<br />
6- Ciencin, Scott<br />
><s> Clare, Helen > </s> = Pauline Clarke<br />
? Clark, Douglas W<br />
> Clarke, A V ><br />
3- Clarke, Lindsay ,1939<br />
.eLL f Clarke, Pauline {{a|16164}} (17+10+2),1921 = Helen Clare, etc<br />
?.? Clayton, Jo<br />
3- Clement, Aeron<br />
:.el f Clifford, Lucy Lane (Mrs. W. K.) {{a|24047}} (34) <br />
3- Cline, C Terry Jr.<br />
5.. Clough, B W ,1955 = Brenda Clough<br />
4-elsf Clute, John {{a|147}} (11)<br />
:.el f Coatsworth, Elizabeth {{a|76881}} (132)<br />
> Cobalt, Martin ><br />
:-el f Cobb, Irvin S {{a|17681}} (90) <br />
4.. Cochran, Molly ,1949<br />
:-EFl f Cocteau, Jean {{a|86397}} (407) <br />
4- Cole, Adrian ,1949<br />
4- Cole, Allan<br />
> Coleman, Clare ><br />
#-el f Coleridge, Samuel Taylor {{a|22140}} (448) <br />
:.el f Coleridge, Sara {{a|83813}} (21) <br />
0-elsf Collier, John {{a|1160}} (30)<br />
5.. Collins, Nancy A ,1959<br />
:-el f Collins, Wilkie {{a|2034}} (297) <br />
:-el f Collodi, Carlo {{a|9486}} (294) <br />
3- Colombo, John Robert<br />
>:-el . Colum, Padraic {{a|122434}} (138) > ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Padraic Colum]]<br />
> Colvin, James ><br />
> Comfort, Montgomery ><br />
0..elsf Comyns, Barbara {{a|6584}} (13);1909<br />
4.. Conford, Ellen ,1942<br />
2- Connell, Evan E<br />
:-elsf Conrad, Joseph {{a|19447}} (584) <br />
4- Conrad, Peter<br />
><s> Constantine, Murray > </s><br />
5- Constantine, Storm<br />
:-el f Conway, Hugh {{a|142380}} (42) = Frederick John Fargus <br />
4- Cook, Glen<br />
5- Cook, Hugh<br />
4- Cook, Rick<br />
6.. Cooke, Catherine ,1963<br />
5.. Cooper, Louise ,1952<br />
3..elsf Cooper, Susan {{a|2436}} (47),1935<br />
3- Coover, Robert<br />
:-el f Coppard, A E {{a|1201}} (57) <br />
3- Corbett, W J<br />
:.elsf Corelli, Marie {{a|1966}} (112) <br />
3- Corlett, William<br />
:-el f Corley, Donald {{a|17493}} (5) <br />
2- Cormier, Robert<br />
5.. Corran, Mary ,1953<br />
1- Cortázar, Julio<br />
5- Costikyan, Greg<br />
q3..elsf Coulson, Juanita (8)<br />
1..el f Counselman, Mary Elizabeth {{a|1215}} (1);1911<br />
5-elsf Coville, Bruce {{a|1453}} (94) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Magic Shop]]<br />
5- Cox, Greg<br />
> Cox, Palmer ><br />
4- Crace, Jim<br />
:.el f Craik, Mrs {{a|125079}} (186) = Miss Mulock, Dinah Maria Mulock Craik<br />
:-el f Cram, Ralph Adams {{a|17789}} (59) <br />
5.. Crawford, Betty Anne ,1952<br />
:-el f Crawford, F Marion {{a|3423}} (153)<br />
:-elsf Crawshay-Williams, Eliot {{a|186820}} (18) <br />
> Cray, Roberta ><br />
> Crayon, Geoffrey ><br />
#-el f Crébillon, Claude-Prosper Jolyot de {{a|225214}} (60) <br />
3..el f Cresswell, Helen {{a|3615}} (54),1934<br />
: lwsf Creswick, Paul {{a|204013}} (4)[many] <br />
> Crichton, Michael ><br />
>#-el Croker, Thomas Crofton > {{a|122486}} (41)<br />
> Crompton, Richmal ><br />
1-lwsf Cross, John Keir {{a|6602}} (15) <br />
> Crow, Levi ><br />
:-el f Crowley, Aleister {{a|6606}} (123) <br />
4- Crowley, John<br />
4- Crowther, Peter<br />
2- Cuddon, J A ,1928<br />
> Cuiscard, Henri ><br />
2- Cullen, Seamus = James Serwer<br />
: lsf Cummins, Harle Oren {{a|20329}} (1)[1 only] http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n2006-075346 <br />
> Cunningham, Allan ><br />
3..el f Curry, Jane Louise {{a|3266}} (38),1932 --Beneath the Hill sequence "set partly in Wales and partly in the USA, where a community of Welsh Elves has established a Wainscot existence"<br />
1-elsf Dahl, Roald {{a|508}} (155)<br />
4- Dalby, Richard<br />
5.. Dalkey, Kara ,1953<br />
4.. Dalton, Annie ,1948<br />
#- lwf Dalton, James {{a|148317}} (3) <br />
> Daly, Hamlin ><br />
> Dana, Rose ><br />
:.elsf Dane, Clemence {{a|19199}} (82) <br />
4- Dann, Colin<br />
4- Dann, Jack<br />
#-elsf Dante Alighieri {{a|137127}} (1211) <br />
?.. Darby, Lyndan --joint pseud. Ann Grimsley (? - ), Lynne Kinnerley (? - )<br />
> D'Arcy, Jack ><br />
:-el f Darlington, W A {{a|186990}} (22) <br />
> Darmancour, P ><br />
:-elsf Davey, Norman {{a|199699}} (25) <br />
2- Davidson, Avram<br />
1- Davies, Robertson<br />
4.. Davis, Grania ,1943<br />
:-el f Dawson, Coningsby W {{a|157528}} (44) <br />
> Dawson, William J ><br />
> Day, J Wentworth ><br />
5.. Dean, Pamela ,1953<br />
><s> de Beaumont, Marie Leprince > </s><br />
0..EFl f de Beauvoir, Simone {{a|4483}} (121);1908 <br />
5- de Bernieres, Louis<br />
q0-elsf de Camp, L Sprague (112)<br />
4- DeChancie, John<br />
:- w f de Comeau, Alexander {{a|130947}} --niLC [3] --YoB unknown, first book publ 1927<br />
:-elsf Deeping, Warwick {{a|6702}} (140) <br />
#-elsf Defoe, Daniel {{a|1900}} (801) <br />
6- de Haan, Tom = pseud.<br />
4- de Haven, Tom<br />
5- Deitz, Tom<br />
><s> de La Fontaine, Jean > </s><br />
:-el f de La Mare, Walter {{a|11634}} (277)<br />
4- Delany, Samuel R<br />
3- de Larrabeiti, Michael<br />
5- de Lint, Charles<br />
:-el f de Maupassant, Guy {{a|1958}} (431) <br />
:-el f de Morgan, William {{a|187146}} (16) <br />
5- Denning, Troy<br />
5- Dennis, Ian<br />
q0-elsf Derleth, August W (201)<br />
#-el f de Sade, Marquis {{a|109031}} (131) <br />
5- Dever, Joe<br />
4- Devereaux, Robert<br />
5.. Dexter, Susan ,1955<br />
4- Diamond, Graham<br />
4.. Dibell, Ansen ,1942 = pseud Nancy Ann Dibble<br />
1..elsf Dick, Kay {{a|145463}} (14+3);1915<br />
> Dick, R A ><br />
:-elsf Dickens, Charles {{a|1572}} (2196) <br />
2-elsf Dickinson, Peter {{a|1442}} (95)<br />
:-el f Dickinson, W Croft {{a|20183}} (11)[many] g<br />
> Dickson, Carter ><br />
2- Dickson, Gordon R<br />
> Dikty, Thaddeus E ><br />
:.eLLsf Dinesen, Isak (61) +37 KBlixen +1 Andrézel = {{a|Karen Blixen}}<br />
= Tania Blixen https://lccn.loc.gov/no95003726 (0)<br />
= Pierre Andrézel https://lccn.loc.gov/no95003714 (1)<br />
= Osceola https://lccn.loc.gov/n2011003005 (0)<br />
> Dionnet, Jean-Pierre ><br />
4- Disch, Thomas M<br />
4.. Diski, Jenny ,1947<br />
:-elsf Disraeli, Benjamin {{a|16821}} (161) <br />
3- Doctorow, E L<br />
> Domecq, H Bustos ><br />
4- Donaldson, Stephen R<br />
>: Donnelly, Ignatius > ANTHROPOLOGY https://lccn.loc.gov/n80005270 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_L._Donnelly EN]<br />
><s> Doolittle, Hilda > </s><br />
> Dorset, Ruth ><br />
4.. Douglas, Carole Nelson ,1944<br />
:-elsf Douglas, Norman {{a|19173}} (97) <br />
:. lwwf Douglas, Theo (2) = {{a|Henrietta D. Everett}}, Mrs. H. D. Everett<br />
= Julia Douglas https://lccn.loc.gov/nr95025284 (0)<br />
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-nr95-025284 (conflates) o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/81981668]<br />
:-elsf Doyle, [Sir] Arthur Conan {{a|1131}} (787)<br />
5..elsf Doyle, Debra {{a|470}} (20),1952 + joint pseudonyms<br />
><s>Drake, Burgess > </s> = H.B.<br />
4- Drake, David A<br />
:-elw f Drake, H B {{a|136904}} (13)[many] <br />
> Dreadstone, Carl ><br />
> Dreher, Sarah ><br />
3? Drew, Wayland ,1932<br />
: lw f Drummond, Hamilton {{a|126745}} (13)[many] <br />
><s> Dryasdust > </s><br />
5..elsf Duane, Diane E {{a|97}} (54),1952<br />
> Dufays, Baudelaire ><br />
:-elsf Dumas, Alexandre père {{a|2024}} (1260)<br />
0..elsf Du Maurier, Daphne {{a|864}} (156);1907 <br />
3- Duncan, Dave<br />
:. lwf Dunn, [Mrs] Gertrude {{a|226115}} (as 12)<br />
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-dunn,%20gertrude (retired identity)<br />
:.Dl f G. Colmore, who was Gertrude Colmore Dunn for a time, {{a|186701}} (as 12)<br />
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n84-021617 (combined identity, following LC?)<br />
> Dunne, J W ><br />
:-elsf Dunsany, Lord {{a|823}} (129)<br />
> Durrell, Gerald ><br />
:-elsf Dwyer, James Francis {{a|15651}} (13) <br />
:-ew f Dyalhis, Nictzin {{a|766}} --niLC [2] <br />
> Dyrenforth, James ><br />
5- Dziemianowicz, Stefan R<br />
1-el f Eager, Edward {{a|6033}} (37) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Tales of Magic / Eager]]<br />
4- Easton, M Coleman<br />
3- Eco, Umberto<br />
3- Eddings, David<br />
:-elsf Eddison, E R {{a|169}} (15)<br />
4.. Edgerton, Teresa ,1949<br />
>:.el f Edwards, Amelia B > Ghost Stories [post-Gothic, Dickens successor] {{a|16355}} (39) <br />
4.. Edwards, Claudia J ,1943<br />
5.. Egan, Doris ,1955<br />
><s> Egbert, Floyd C ></s> = KENNETH MORRIS<br />
4.. Eisenstein, Phyllis ,1946<br />
> Eldridge, Paul ><br />
q0-ERlsf Eliade, Mircea (199)<br />
> Eliot, T S ><br />
3- Elkin, Stanley<br />
q3..elsf Elliott, Janice (23)<br />
> Elliott, Kate ><br />
><s> Ellison, Harlan </s> --deleted from SFE-F in favor of SFE3<br />
> Emerson, Jane ><br />
4.. Emerson, Ru ,1944<br />
5- Emery, Clayton<br />
[Tales of Robin Hood (1988) "set in a Britain rooted in Magic, and features a Robin Hood intimate with those roots<br />
2..elsf Emshwiller, Carol {{a|1274}} (13),1921<br />
2-EDl f Ende, Michael {{a|1513}} (60)<br />
q0-elsf Endore, Guy (40)<br />
:-el f Erckmann-Chatrian --joint pseud. {{a|6711}} (54)<br />
5- Erickson, Steve<br />
> Ericson, Eric ><br />
4.. Erskine, Barbara ,1944<br />
:-el f Erskine, John {{a|160721}} (136) --mentioned concerning Twain's Adam and Eve<br />
1- Eshbach, Lloyd Arthur<br />
> Estes, Eleanor ><br />
?.. Estes, Rose ,19xx<br />
4- Etchison, Dennis<br />
#-el f Euripides {{a|151942}} (798)<br />
><s> Everett, H D > Theo Douglas </s><br />
:-elsf Ewers, Hanns Heinz {{a|19730}} (46)<br />
> Ewing, Juliana H ><br />
> Ex-Private X ><br />
> Fabyan, Robert ><br />
q0-el f Fagunwa, D O (15)<br />
4.. Fakinou, Eugenia ,1945<br />
:.el f Falconer, Lanoe {{a|82945}} (6) = Mary Elizabeth Hawker<br />
:-el f Falkner, J Meade {{a|112729}} (21)<br />
:-el f Farjeon, B L {{a|186036}} (84) --father (father, grandfather)<br />
:.el f Farjeon, Eleanor {{a|112169}} (149) --daughter (sister, aunt)<br />
3..el f Farmer, Penelope {{a|5978}} (32),1939<br />
1- Farmer, Philip José<br />
5- Farrington, Geoffrey = Geoffrey Smith<br />
> Faulcon, Robert ><br />
4- Feist, Raymond E<br />
2- Felitta, Frank de<br />
> Fell, Andrew ><br />
#-el f Fénelon, François de Salignac de la Mothe {{a|215266}} (241) (La Mothe-Fénelon at ISFDB)<br />
> Fenn, Lionel ><br />
5- Fergusson, Bruce<br />
0- Fessier, Michael<br />
:-el f Field, Eugene {{a|16819}} (141) --Sr, senior<br />
> Field, Gans T ><br />
:.el f Field, Rachel {{a|168466}} (68)<br />
5- Findley, Nigel<br />
3- Findley, Timothy<br />
0- Finney, Charles G<br />
1- Finney, Jack = Walter Braden Finney<br />
:-el f Firbank, Ronald {{a|227015}} (41)<br />
><s> Firth, Violet M > </s><br />
> Fischer, Harry ><br />
> Fischer, Marjorie ><br />
6- Fisher, Paul R<br />
4.. Fisk, Pauline ,1948<br />
> Fiske, Tarleton ><br />
:-el f Fitzgerald, F Scott {{a|20115}} (247) <br />
:-el f Flaubert, Gustave {{a|2053}} (381) <br />
:-elsf Flecker, James Elroy {{a|19645}} (25)<br />
> Fleming, Ian ><br />
> Fletcher, George U ><br />
4- Flint, Kenneth C<br />
> Flynn, Casey ><br />
:-elsf Ford, Ford Madox {{a|70501}} (203) <br />
5- Ford, John M<br />
4- Ford, Richard<br />
:-elsf Forster, E M {{a|1969}} (203) <br />
:.eLL f Fortune, Dion {{a|5931}} (42) +7 Firth = Violet Mary Firth Evans<br />
4- Foster, Alan Dean<br />
#-el f Fouqué, Friedrich, Baron de la Motte {{a|16358}} (91) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Fouque]]<br />
5- Fowler, Christopher<br />
2- Fowles, John<br />
1- Fox, Gardner F<br />
:-elsf France, Anatole {{a|16830}} (422) <br />
3- Frank, Frederick S<br />
5.. Franklin, Cheryl J ,1955<br />
: lwsf Fraser, [Sir] Ronald {{a|102033}} (25) --niEN <br />
4- Frayling, Christopher<br />
3- Frayn, Michael<br />
:-el f Frazer, [Sir] James {{a|189007}} (116) = ISFDB: J. G. Frazer<br />
1- Frazer, Shamus = James Ian Arbuthnot Frazer<br />
:.el f Freeman, Mary E Wilkins {{a|2086}} (99) <br />
5- Friedman, Michael Jan<br />
5.. Friesner, Esther ,1951<br />
:-elsf Friswell, Hain {{a|179491}} (29)<br />
4- Frith, Nigel<br />
5- Frost, Gregory<br />
5- Frost, Mark<br />
1- Frye, Northrop<br />
3- Fryer, Donald S<br />
2- Fuentes, Carlos<br />
3- Fuller, John<br />
5.. Furey, Maggie ,1955<br />
q3..el f Furlong, Monica (37)<br />
5? Gaarder, Jostein ,1952<br />
5.. Gabaldon, Diana ,1952<br />
6-elsf Gaiman, Neil {{a|410}} (179)<br />
> Gaines, William M ><br />
> Galland, Antoine ><br />
:- Gallico, Paul<br />
><s> Gallister, Michael > </s><br />
> Gallon, Tom ><br />
> Galt, John ><br />
:-eLsf Ganpat {{a|127698}} (16) +Ganpat (13) = Gompertz<br />
2- García Márquez, Gabriel<br />
4- Garcia Y Robertson, R<br />
1.. lwf Gard, Joyce {{a|109672}} (6);1911 = pseud Joyce Reeves<br />
4- Gardner, Craig Shaw<br />
3-elsf Gardner, John {{a|3087}} (61)<br />
2-el f Garfield, Leon {{a|5885}} (82)<br />
3-elsf Garner, Alan<br />
:. '''Garnett, Constance --translator mainly, daughter-in-law''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Garnett EN]<br />
:-elsf Garnett, David {{a|1629}} (73), grandson<br />
:-elsf Garnett, Edward {{a|146874}} (53), son<br />
:-elsf Garnett, Richard {{a|2039}} (95)<br />
> Garou, Louis P ><br />
2- Garrett, Randall<br />
> Gascoigne, Bamber ><br />
6- Gascoigne, Marc<br />
4..elsf Gaskell, Jane {{a|3845}} (15);1941<br />
> Gautier, Judith ><br />
:-el f Gautier, Théophile {{a|2028}} (302)<br />
1- Gawsworth, John = (Terence Ian) Fytton Armstrong<br />
5.. Geary, Patricia ,1951<br />
4.. Gedge, Pauline ,1945<br />
4- Gemmell, David A<br />
5.. Gentle, Mary ,1956<br />
#-el f Geoffrey of Monmouth {{a|110957}} (44) <br />
:-elsf Giesy, John Ulrich {{a|1908}} (7)<br />
:-el f Gilbert, William {{a|2035}} (6)<br />
:-el f Gilbert, [Sir] W S {{a|2036}} (597)<br />
3 Gilliland, Alexis A ,1931<br />
?.. Gilluly, Sheila ,19xx<br />
5.. Gilman, Greer Ilene ,1951<br />
> Gilmer, Ann ><br />
2- Godwin, Parke<br />
#-el f Godwin, William {{a|1983}} (139)<br />
#-el f Goethe, Johann W {{a|2065}} (2087) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Faust]]<br />
:-el f Gogol, Nikolai {{a|237483}} (543)<br />
1- Gold, Horace L<br />
q:-elsf Golding, Louis (83)<br />
1-elsf Golding, [Sir] William {{a|785}} (51) <br />
3- Goldman, William<br />
5.. Goldstein, Lisa ,1953<br />
4- Goodkind, Terry<br />
> Gopaleen, Myles na ><br />
> Gordon, Frances ><br />
2- Gordon, John<br />
2- Gorey, Edward<br />
0..el f Goudge, Elizabeth {{a|5825}} (100),1900<br />
3- Goulart, Ron<br />
:-elsf Gourmont, Rémy de {{a|15620}} (118)<br />
#- '''Gozzi, Carlo''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Gozzi EN]<br />
5.. Grabien, Deborah ,1954<br />
:-elsf Grabiński, Stefan {{a|167301}} (8)<br />
:-el f Grahame, Kenneth {{a|2306}} (222) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Grahame . TWitW]]<br />
Grainville, Jean Cousin de ><br />
4- Grant, Charles L<br />
0..el f Grant, Joan {{a|146932}} (1);1907 = pseud (first marriage name) Joan Marshall Kelsey<br />
4-elsf Grant, John {{a|123992}} (23),1949 = Paul (le Page) Barnett<br />
5.. Grant, Kathryn ,1952 + historical romance under pseudonyms<br />
> Granville-Barker, Harley ><br />
2- Grass, Günter<br />
3- Gray, Alasdair<br />
1- Gray, Nicholas Stuart<br />
1-elsf Green, Roger Lancelyn {{a|10828}} (94), father of Richard L G<br />
4- Green, Roland J<br />
4.. Green, Sharon ,1942<br />
5- Green, Simon R<br />
4- Green, Terence M<br />
4- Greenberg, Martin H<br />
5- Greenland, Colin<br />
:-elwf Greenwood, James {{a|228546}} (3) (about 20, many as by "Greenwood, James")<br />
4.. Gregorian, Joyce Ballou ,1946<br />
:- lwf Griffiths, Alan {{a|188304}} LC "active 1934-39" (3) WorldCat (4)<br />
> Grile, Dod ><br />
#- Grimm Brothers<br />
= El f Grimm, Jacob {{a|19912}} (1065)<br />
= El f Grimm, Wilhelm {{a|9071}} (888)<br />
:.el f Grimshaw, Beatrice {{a|1668}} (30)<br />
2- Grimshaw, Nigel<br />
4- Grimwood, Ken<br />
:-el f Grin, Alexander {{a|70431}} (51)<br />
!q2..el f Gripe, Maria Kristina (38) <br />
1- Grubb, Davis<br />
6- Grundy, Stephan<br />
> Guest, Lady Charlotte ><br />
q:-elsf Gunn, Neil M (59)<br />
5- Gunnarsson, Thorarinn<br />
6.. Guon, Ellen ,1964<br />
3- Gygax, Gary<br />
:-elsf Haggard, [Sir] H Rider {{a|138}} (293)<br />
!q3..el f Hahn, Mary Downing (49)<br />
4- Haining, Peter<br />
:.elsf Haldane, Charlotte {{a|100265}} (34) <br />
3.. lw f Haldeman, Linda (3)<br />
niEN, niQ<br />
> Hale, James ><br />
> Halam, Ann ><br />
: lwwsf Halidom, M Y {{a|1200052}} (0) +1 Dryasdust [many + 7] <br />
= Dryasdust https://lccn.loc.gov/n90713983 (1)<br />
> Hall, Frances ><br />
> Hall, Rodney ><br />
5.. Hambly, Barbara ,1951<br />
> Hamilton, Clive ><br />
> Hamilton, John ><br />
6.. Hamilton, Laurell K ,1963<br />
> Hammond, Keith ><br />
4- Hancock, Neil<br />
5.. Hand, Elizabeth ,1957<br />
> Hank in Maggs ><br />
> Harding, Ross ><br />
?- Harding, Simon<br />
4- Hardy, Lyndon<br />
:- '''Hargreaves, [Sir] Gerald''' --nidb --niEN.wiki<br />
6- Harman, Andrew<br />
5- Harpur, Patrick<br />
0..el f Harris, Christie {{a|148594}} (24);1907<br />
5.. Harris, Deborah Turner ,1951<br />
5.. Harris, Geraldine ,1951<br />
:-el f Harris, Joel Chandler {{a|19914}} (144)<br />
2- Harris, MacDonald = Donald William Heiney<br />
2..el f Harris, Rosemary {{a|16228}} (33),1923<br />
2- Harris, Wilson<br />
> Harrison, Jane E ><br />
0- Harrison, Michael = Maurice Desmond Rohan<br />
4- Harrison, M John<br />
:-elsf Hartley, L P {{a|548}} (45)<br />
4- Hartwell, David G<br />
:-el f Harvey, William F {{a|16268}} (8)[many]<br />
4- Hasford, Gustav<br />
:-el f Hauff, Wilhelm {{a|2025}} (153)<br />
:-elsf Hauptmann, Gerhart {{a|113675}} (248) <br />
> Haviland, Virginia ><br />
> Havlasa, Jan ><br />
5- Hawke, Simon<br />
><s> Hawkwood, Allan > </s><br />
> Hawthorne, Hildegarde ><br />
:-elsf Hawthorne, Julian {{a|17790}} (108) --son of Nathaniel Hawthorne <br />
:-elsf Hawthorne, Nathaniel {{a|1959}} (751)<br />
> Hay, Timothy ><br />
4- Hazel, Paul<br />
:.el f H.D. = {{a|Delia Alton}} = Hilda Doolittle (94) <br />
:-elsf Heard, Gerald {{a|1946}} (66)<br />
> Heard, H F ><br />
:-EJl f Hearn, Lafcadio {{a|19738}} (281)<br />
:-elsf Hecht, Ben {{a|19733}} (100)<br />
> Heide, Florence Parry ><br />
0- Heinlein, Robert A<br />
4- Helprin, Mark<br />
3- Henighan, Tom<br />
> Henry, Alan ><br />
4- Herbert, James<br />
5.. Herbert, Mary H ,1957<br />
> Herman, William ><br />
:. Heron, E & H --joint pseud. mother-and-son<br />
= :.*l f K(ate) Prichard (1851), mother {{a|120100}} (11) = Kate O'Brien (Ryall) Hesketh[-]Prichard --niEN (link EN: Hesketh Prichard) <br />
= :-el f Hesketh Prichard {{a|120099}} (27) under Prichard, not H-P = Hesketh Hesketh-Prichard (0)<br />
> Heron-Allen, Edward ><br />
> Herzmanovsky-Orlando, Fritz von ><br />
:-elsf Hesse, Hermann {{a|11094}} (395) <br />
4.. Heydron, Vicki Ann ,1945<br />
:-elsf Hichens, Robert {{a|30943}} (112)<br />
5.. Hickman, Tracy ,1955<br />
5.. Hilgartner, Beth ,1957<br />
4.. Hill, Susan ,1942<br />
> Hilman, F Mchugh ><br />
0- Hilton, James<br />
4- Hjortsberg, William<br />
2- Hoban, Russell<br />
><s> Hobb, Robin > </s><br />
0- Hobson, [Sir] Harold<br />
5.. Hodgell, P C ,1951<br />
:-elsf Hodgson, William Hope {{a|163}} (24)<br />
5.. Hoffman, Nina Kiriki ,1955<br />
#-elsf Hoffmann, E T A {{a|19492}} (374)<br />
:-el f Hofmannsthal, Hugo von {{a|96125}} (343)<br />
#-el f Hogg, James {{a|76629}} (100) <br />
4- Holdstock, Robert P<br />
:-elsf Holland, Clive {{a|190884}} (35) = Charles James Hankinson https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n90-637192 <br />
:. '''Holme, Constance''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Holme EN]<br />
6- Holt, Tom<br />
#-elsf Homer {{a|20200}} (1198)<br />
> Homunculus [2] ><br />
4- Horwood, William<br />
:-elsf Houghton, Claude {{a|181546}} (42) <br />
0- Household, Geoffrey<br />
:.el f Housman, Clemence {{a|7108}} (5)<br />
:-elsf Housman, Laurence {{a|111581}} (177) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Laurence Housman]]<br />
q2..el f Howard, Elizabeth Jane (26)<br />
0-elsf Howard, Robert E {{a|822}} (112), born 1906<br />
4- Howe, James<br />
:-elsf Howells, William Dean {{a|11227}} (391)<br />
> Howlett, Winston A ><br />
1- Hubbard, L Ron<br />
:-elsf Hudson, W H {{a|7219}} (202)<br />
5.. Huff, Tanya ,1957<br />
3- Hughart, Barry<br />
4- Hughes, Robert Don<br />
3-elsf Hughes, Ted {{a|1742}} (164)<br />
> Hugo, Victor > <br />
> Hull, E Mayne ><br />
:-elsf Hume, Fergus {{a|129099}} (59)<br />
> Huneker, James ><br />
> Hunt, Gill ><br />
4- Hunt, Peter<br />
:.el f Hunt, Violet {{a|19959}} (20) --daughter of Brothers Grimm translator, ''Grimm's Household Tales'' (2 vols., 1880)<br />
2..el f Hunter, Mollie {{a|5600}} (37),1922<br />
> Huxley, Aldous ><br />
:-el f Huysmans, Joris-Karl {{a|5598}} (121)<br />
4.. Ingalls, Rachel ,1940<br />
:.el f Ingelow, Jean {{a|73761}} (71)<br />
><s> Ingoldsby, Thomas > </s> (Barham)<br />
1- Ionesco, Eugène<br />
1..el f Ipcar, Dahlov {{a|3563}} (50);1917<br />
#-elsf Irving, Washington {{a|1971}} (968)<br />
:.el f Irwin, Margaret {{a|13651}} (many) (many as by "Irwin, Margaret" undifferentiated)<br />
4- Irwin, Robert<br />
1- Irwin, W R ;1915<br />
2- Jackman, Stuart<br />
:-el f Jacks, L P {{a|147064}} (68) <br />
?.. l f Jackson, Rosemary {{a|148266}} (4),19xx<br />
1..elsf Jackson, Shirley {{a|694}} (64);1919<br />
5- Jackson, Steve<br />
5- Jackson, Steve [2]<br />
>:-el . Jacobs, Joseph > Folklore; Folktales. ; {{a|17634}} (129) section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Joseph Jacobs]]<br />
3- Jacques, Brian<br />
3- Jakes, John W<br />
> James, Dynely ><br />
:-elsf James, Henry {{a|1692}} (841) <br />
2- James, John<br />
:-el f James, M R {{a|5578}} (130) <br />
> James, Philip ><br />
1..el f Jansson, Tove {{a|2148}} (91);1914<br />
> Jaroš, Peter ><br />
6-el f Jarvis, Robin {{a|1663}} (9)<br />
4- Jefferies, Mike<br />
:-elsf Jefferies, Richard {{a|17684}} (86)<br />
: w f Jenks, Almet {{a|230396}} --niLC [2, one work only]<br />
> Jenks, Jacquetta ><br />
:-elsf Jepson, Edgar {{a|63971}} (33)<br />
:-el f Jerome, Jerome K {{a|14339}} (116)<br />
> Johns, Jacob ><br />
4- Johnson, Charles<br />
> Johnson, Richard ><br />
?- w f Johnston, Gunnar {{a|230441}} --niLC [5] <br />
:.elsf Johnston, Mary {{a|153903}} (51) <br />
1- Jones, Chuck<br />
3..elsf Jones, Diana Wynne {{a|593}} (81),1934 ; sister elw Ursula Jones {{a|176846}} (8) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Chrestomanci]]<br />
5.. Jones, Gwyneth ,1952<br />
5.. Jones, Jenny ,1954<br />
6.. Jones, J V ,1963<br />
5- Jones, Stephen<br />
4- Jones, Terry<br />
> Jonson, Ben ><br />
4- Jordan, Robert = James Oliver Rigney Jr<br />
5- Joshi, S T ,1958<br />
5- Joyce, Graham<br />
:-el f Joyce, James {{a|113840}} (502) <br />
2-el f Juster, Norton {{a|5534}} (25)<br />
> Kadare, Ismail ><br />
:-elsf Kafka, Franz {{a|15578}} (355) <br />
3- Kangilaski, Jaan<br />
4.. Karr, Phyllis Ann ,1944<br />
:-el f Kästner, Erich {{a|186176}} (176) <br />
4.. Katz, Welwyn ,1948<br />
0..elsf Kavan, Anna {{a|1372}} (42);1901 = "took the name AK by deed-poll"<br />
4.. Kaveney, Roz ,1949<br />
5- Kay, Guy Gavriel<br />
3- Kaye, Marvin<br />
:-el f Kazantzakis, Nikos {{a|239493}} (128)<br />
6- Kearney, Paul<br />
#-el f Keats, John {{a|22268}} (296) <br />
#-el f Keightley, Thomas {{a|7869}} (54) ><br />
3- Kelleher, Victor<br />
:-elsf Keller, David H {{a|1124}} (18)<br />
> Kelley, Thomas P ><br />
1..el f Kendall, Carol {{a|3091}} (15);1917<br />
> Kendall, Gordon ><br />
> Kendall, May ><br />
><s> Kennealy, Patricia > </s><br />
4.. Kennealy-Morrison, Patricia ,1946<br />
3-el f Kennedy, Richard {{a|5506}} (21) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Richard Kennedy]]<br />
> Kent, Kelvin ><br />
0.. lwf Kerby, Susan Alice pseud {{a|122630}} (17)[many];1908<br />
= pseud (Alice) Elizabeth Burton --libraries conflate with other Elizabeth Burtons<br />
q3..el f Kernaghan, Eileen (8)<br />
4.. Kerr, Katharine ,1944<br />
:. lsf Kerruish, Jessie Douglas {{a|6706}} (6) <br />
1- Kersh, Gerald<br />
> Kesteven, Ambrosius ><br />
> <s>Key, Samuel M > </s> = Uel<br />
:-e f Key, Uel {{a|122690}} --niLC [4] WorldCat: [http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-key,%20uel/ Uel] [http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-key,%20samuel%20whittell/ Samuel] [http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3AKey%2C+Samuel+Whittell%2C&qt=hot_author search au:Key, Samuel Whittel]<br />
><s> Keyne, Gordon > </s><br />
4- Kilworth, Garry<br />
4- King, Bernard<br />
> King, Clive ><br />
:.el f King, Jessie M {{a|193096}} (7) --illustrator mainly<br />
4-elsf King, Stephen {{a|70}} (258) + (15)<br />
5- King, Tappan<br />
:-el f Kingsley, Charles {{a|2029}} (273)<br />
> Kingsley, Henry ><br />
> Kingsley, Mary ><br />
2- King-Smith, Dick<br />
3-elsf Kinsella, W P {{a|5484}} (43) --baseball <br />
:-elsf Kipling, Rudyard {{a|1961}} (1908) [[User:Pwendt/People/Rudyard Kipling]]<br />
5.. Kirchoff, Mary L ,1959<br />
1- Kirkup, James<br />
5.. Kirstein, Rosemary ,1953<br />
4- Klein, T E D ,1947<br />
6- Knaak, Richard A<br />
:-el f Knatchbull-Hugessen, E H {{a|168789}} (9)[many] = Lord Brabourne <br />
> Knickerbocker, Diedrich ><br />
:-el f Knight, Eric {{a|16531}} (40+4) <br />
> Knowles, Rupert ><br />
:-el f Knowles, Vernon {{a|127139}} (3)[many]<br />
> Kolár, Josef Jiří ><br />
:- '''Kondratiev, Alexander''' --nidb --niEN.wiki<br />
4- Koontz, Dean R<br />
> Kossak-Szcczucka, Zofia ><br />
3- Koster, R M ,1934<br />
3- Kotzwinkle, William<br />
> Kramerius, Václav Rodomil ><br />
> Krasiński, Zygmunt ><br />
5- Krensky, Stephen<br />
4.. Kress, Nancy ,1948<br />
6- Kubasik, Christopher<br />
> Kubin, Alfred ><br />
:- lwf Kummer, Frederic Arnold {{a|115484}} (59) <br />
2- Kundera, Milan<br />
3- Kurland, Michael<br />
4.. Kurtz, Katherine ,1944<br />
5.. Kushner, Ellen ,1955<br />
1-eLLsf Kuttner, Henry {{a|452}} (27) +8 Lewis Padgett, joint pseud.<br />
5.. Lackey, Mercedes ,1950<br />
4- LaFarge, Tom<br />
1- Lafferty, R A ;1914<br />
>17 La Fontaine, Jean de > Fable; Charles Perrault.<br />
:-el f Laforgue, Jules {{a|124491}} (55) <br />
:.el f Lagerlöf, Selma {{a|5440}} (183) <br />
:-el f Lagerkvist, Pär {{a|167237}} (79)<br />
><s> Lainez, Manuel Mujica > </s><br />
> Lamark, Drew ><br />
#-el f Lamb, Charles {{a|189484}} (325) ; el-- Mary Lamb {{a|190794}} (112)<br />
:-elsf Lamb, Harold {{a|19453}} (62) <br />
> Lambert, S H ><br />
:-elsf Lambourne, John {{a|160703}} (23) <br />
4.. Lance, Kathryn ,1943<br />
4- Lancour, Gene = Gene Lancour Fisher<br />
0- Landolfi, Tommaso<br />
:-elsf Lang, Andrew {{a|6880}} (474) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Andrew Lang]]<br />
5-elsf Langford, David {{a|752}} (10+1) --SFE3 co-editor<br />
= William Robert Loosley https://lccn.loc.gov/n88653112 (1)[1] https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n88-653112<br />
1- Langley, Noel ;1911<br />
> Langran, Maurice ><br />
> Langton, Jane ><br />
> Lanyard, Fortescue ><br />
4- La Plante, Richard<br />
5.. Larsen, Jeanne ,1950<br />
5- Larson, Randall D<br />
5- Lasdun, James<br />
4.. Laubenthal, Sanders Anne ,1943<br />
3- Launay, André ,1930<br />
> Launay, Droo ><br />
> Laurance, Andrew ><br />
:-EFl f Lautréamont, Comte de {{a|16833}} (42) = Isidore Lucien Ducasse<br />
5- Lawhead, Stephen R<br />
4.. Lawrence, Ann ,1942<br />
:-el f Lawrence, D H {{a|11632}} (558) <br />
4..elsf Lawrence, Louise {{a|1649}} (18),1943 = Elizabeth Holden<br />
:.elsf Lawrence, Margery {{a|15077}} (16) VIAF 126258545 [https://viaf.org/viaf/79287229/#Lawrence,_Margery,_1896-1969 VIAF 79287229]<br />
> Laws, Stephen ><br />
:-el f Lawson, Robert --illustrator mainly {{a|13904}} (81) <br />
:-el f Lear, Edward {{a|22266}} (243) <br />
4- Le Clézio, J-M G ,1940<br />
3- Lee, John<br />
2- Lee, Stan<br />
4..elsf Lee, Tanith {{a|105}} (71),1947<br />
:.el f Lee, Vernon, pseud. {{a|1965}} (79) = Violet Paget --half-sister<br />
> Leech, Ben ><br />
:-el f Lee-Hamilton, Eugene {{a|22265}} (5) --half-brother<br />
:-el f Le Fanu, J Sheridan {{a|1962}} (84) <br />
2..elsf Le Guin, Ursula K {{a|37}} (151),1929 ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Ursula K. Le Guin]]<br />
1-e s Leiber, Fritz {{a|38}} (67);1910<br />
1987 Tor double Echoes of valor https://lccn.loc.gov/98809481<br />
1990 Tor double The Fair https://lccn.loc.gov/98818853<br />
:-el f Leland, Charles Godfrey {{a|120572}} (186)<br />
> Lelland, Frank ><br />
1..elsf L'Engle, Madeleine {{a|2923}} (32);1918<br />
#.el f Leprince de Beaumont, Madame Jeanne-Marie {{a|208738}} (59)<br />
q3.. lwsf Lerman, Rhoda (12)<br />
niEN<br />
1- '''Lerner, Alan Jay''' ;1918 = Lerner & Loewe --nidb<br />
:-EDl f Lernet-Holenia, Alexander {{a|100741}} (62)<br />
:-elsf Leroux, Gaston {{a|5395}} (165) <br />
> Lešehrad, Emanuel ><br />
:. lwf Leslie, Josephine {{a|115491}} (5) [many] = R. A. Dick <br />
> Level, Maurice ><br />
!q2..elw f Levin, Betty (26)<br />
2- Levin, Ira<br />
#-el f Levshin, Vasily {{a|186479}} (12) <br />
:-elsf Lewis, C S {{a|301}} (394)<br />
:.el f Lewis, Hilda {{a|115885}} (38) <br />
#-el f Lewis, Matthew Gregory {{a|631}} (115) <br />
:-elsf Lewis, Wyndham {{a|49201}} (139)<br />
> Leyton, E K ><br />
5- Ligotti, Thomas<br />
0..el f Lindgren, Astrid {{a|29517}} (182);1907<br />
5.. Lindholm, Megan ,1952 = Robin Hobb pseud.<br />
:-elsf Lindsay, David {{a|166}} (15)<br />
:-el f Lindsay, Norman {{a|30344}} (65)<br />
:-elsf Linklater, Eric {{a|13496}} (129) <br />
2- Lins, Osman<br />
:.el f Linton, Lynn {{a|82749}} (46) <br />
6.. Lisle, Holly ,1960<br />
4.. Lisle, Janet Taylor ,1947<br />
6- Little, Bentley<br />
3..el f Lively, Penelope {{a|5368}} (70),1933<br />
:. lwf Livingston, Marjorie {{a|233026}} (5) [14] <br />
4- Livingstone, Ian<br />
2- Lloyd, A R ,1927<br />
> Lloyd, Charles ><br />
q3..el f Llywelyn, Morgan (42+)<br />
:-elsf Lofting, Hugh {{a|5360}} (89) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Doctor Dolittle]]<br />
0..el f Lofts, Norah {{a|9021}} (130+2);1904 + 2[2 titles only] as Juliet Astley<br />
= (0)[1] Peter Curtis https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n2013-028275<br />
6.. Logston, Anne ,1962<br />
:-elsf London, Jack {{a|1975}} (588) <br />
0- Long, Frank Belknap<br />
> Long, John Luther ><br />
> Lord, Jeffrey ><br />
4.. Lorrah, Jean ,1940<br />
> Lorrain, Jean ><br />
> Loti, Pierre ><br />
:-EFl f Louÿs, Pierre {{a|15210}} (132) <br />
:-elsf Lovecraft, H P {{a|165}} (126) <br />
> Lovehill, C B ><br />
6- Lowder, James<br />
3- Luard, Nicholas<br />
#-elsf Lucian {{a|115737}} (209) <br />
5- Lukeman, Tim<br />
3- Lumley, Brian<br />
> Lundwall, Sam J ><br />
><s> Lustbader, Eric > </s><br />
> Lyndell, Catherine ><br />
> Lynes, Russell ><br />
><s> Lynn, Eliza > </s> = Lynn Linton<br />
4.. Lynn, Elizabeth A ,1946<br />
><s> Lytton, Lord > </s> = Edward Bulwer-Lytton<br />
---- ---- 2019-12-30 above this line, first column is 1900s birth decade (> redirect, ? 19??, ! earlier) ---- ----<br />
> MacAuley, Charles Raymond ><br />
4..elsf Macavoy, R A {{a|390}} (8),1949<br />
2- McBain, Ed = Evan Hunter, born S A Lombino<br />
2..elsf McCaffrey, Anne {{a|176}} (138),1926<br />
> McCarthy, Cormac ><br />
><s> McCarthy, Justin > </s><br />
:-el f McCarthy, Justin Huntly {{a|115704}} (89)<br />
5- McCarty, Dennis<br />
5..el f McCaughrean, Geraldine {{a|8291}} (72),1951<br />
> McCaughren, Tom ><br />
:-elsf McCay, Winsor {{a|110372}} (55)<br />
3- McCormack, Eric P<br />
?.. McCrumb, Sharyn<br />
:-elsf MacDonald, George {{a|139}} (364) [[User:Pwendt/People/George Macdonald]]<br />
><s> MacDonald, Golden > </s><br />
> Macdonald, James D ><br />
3- McEvilley, Thomas<br />
> MacEwen, Gwendolyn ><br />
> MacFall, Haldane ><br />
> Macfarlane, Stephen ><br />
6- McGirt, Dan<br />
2- McGowen, Tom<br />
> McHargue, Georgess ><br />
:-elsf Machen, Arthur {{a|135}} (90) <br />
:-el f McKenna, Stephen {{a|115867}} (82)<br />
> Mackey, Mary ><br />
3- McKiernan, Dennis L<br />
4..elsf McKillip, Patricia A {{a|1022}} (33),1948<br />
5..elsf McKinley, Robin {{a|2369}} (32),1952<br />
:-el f MacLeish, Archibald {{a|16253}} (308) <br />
2- MacLeish, Roderick<br />
:-eLL f MacLeod, Fiona, pseud. {{a|110109}} = William Sharp (61+42)<br />
> McNutt, Charles ><br />
> Macpherson, James ><br />
:-EFlsf Maeterlinck, Maurice {{a|192075}} (339)<br />
3..el f Mahy, Margaret {{a|2316}} (121),1936<br />
2- Mailer, Norman<br />
> Majors, Simon ><br />
> Malet, Lucas ><br />
> Mallarmé, Stéphane ><br />
#-el f Malory, [Sir] Thomas {{a|31657}} (168) <br />
> Malvern, Jefferson D ><br />
#-el f Mandeville, [Sir] John {{a|187161}} (63) <br />
4- Manguel, Alberto<br />
2- Mankowitz, Wolf<br />
><s> Mann, Jack > </s> = E C Vivian<br />
:-el f Mann, Thomas {{a|13692}} (539) <br />
> Manning-Sanders, Ruth > Raymond Briggs; Robin Jacques<br />
> Mara, Bernard ><br />
> Margroff, Robert ><br />
> Marie de France ><br />
> Marl, David J ><br />
4- Marley, Stephen<br />
#-el f Marlowe, Christopher {{a|82613}} (219) <br />
:-el f Marquis, Don {{a|16332}} (63)<br />
#-el f Marryat, Frederick {{a|81561}} (221)<br />
> Marsh, Geoffrey ><br />
> Marshall, Alan ><br />
> Martens, Paul ><br />
4- Martin, George R R<br />
3- Martin, Graham Dunstan<br />
> Martin, John [2] ><br />
:-elsf Martin, J P {{a|90281}} (4) <br />
4.. Martin, Valerie ,1948<br />
?.. Martine-Barnes, Adrienne<br />
:-el f Masefield, John {{a|5274}} (352) <br />
- Matheson, Chris ,1958<br />
2- Matheson, Richard<br />
5- Matheson, Richard Christian<br />
:-Flsf Matson, Norman {{a|83517}} (11)[many] https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no93-020499<br />
#-elsf Maturin, Charles R {{a|1595}} (35) <br />
:-el f Maugham, W Somerset {{a|5267}} (529) <br />
><s> Maupassant, Guy de > </s><br />
3..elsf May, Julian {{a|291}} (183),1931 + several pseudonyms <br />
2- Mayne, William<br />
> Meagher, Maude ><br />
6.. Meier, Shirley ,1960<br />
:-elsf Melville, Herman {{a|2032}} (581) <br />
> Meredith, Owen ><br />
:-elsf Merritt, A {{a|613}} (32) <br />
2- Merwin, W S ,1927<br />
:-elsf Meyrink, Gustav {{a|5218}} (58) <br />
> Mickiewicz, Adam ><br />
5? Middleton, Haydn ,1955<br />
> Middleton, Martin ><br />
:-el f Middleton, Richard {{a|2041}} (9)[many]<br />
> Miffkin, Patton H ><br />
5- Milán, Victor<br />
> Miles Gloriosus ><br />
4- Miller, Ian<br />
4- Millhauser, Steven<br />
:-el f Milne, A A {{a|5194}} (572) <br />
#-el f Milton, John {{a|92197}} (800) <br />
> Mirbeau, Octave ><br />
:.el f Mirrlees, Hope {{a|7214}} (8)<br />
:.elsf Mitchison, Naomi {{a|1735}} (107) <br />
4- Modesitt, L E Jr ,1943<br />
:.el f Molesworth, Mary {{a|124751}} (65) (Mrs. Molesworth) > Children's Fantasy. etc<br />
> Molière ><br />
> Molin, Charles ><br />
> Molyneux, Bingham T ><br />
> Momaday, N Scott ><br />
> Mompesson, Sergius ><br />
4- Monaco, Richard<br />
4- Monteleone, Thomas F<br />
4.. Moon, Elizabeth ,1945<br />
elsf Moorcock, Michael {{a|140}} (131 as MM)<br />
5- Moore, Alan<br />
2- Moore, Brian<br />
1..eLLsf Moore, C L {{a|453}} (12);1911 +8 Lewis Padgett, joint pseud.<br />
4- Morgan, Chris ,1946<br />
:-elsf Morley, Christopher {{a|5153}} (219) <br />
3- Morressy, John<br />
4.. Morris, Janet E ,1946<br />
!q2..lww f Morris, Jean (6+9) = real name of Kenneth O'Hara, crime writer<br />
niEN; both Morris and O'Hara at Wikidata 2023-02-17<br />
:-el f Morris, Kenneth {{a|2846}} (10)<br />
:-elsf Morris, William {{a|305}} (344)<br />
4- Morrow, James<br />
> Mortimer, Evan Gregson ><br />
> Morton, Anthony ><br />
> Morus, Cenydd ><br />
5- Morwood, Peter = Robert Peter Smith<br />
1- Mujica Lainez, Manuel<br />
2- Mulisch, Harry<br />
:-elsf Mundy, Talbot {{a|2118}} (47) = Gribbon, William Lancaster<br />
0- Munn, H Warner<br />
> Murphy, Dennis Jasper ><br />
> Murphy, Jill ><br />
5.. Murphy, Pat ,1955<br />
2.. Murphy, Shirley Rousseau ,1928<br />
> Murphy, Warren B<br />
> Murray, Frieda A ><br />
> Murray, Margaret ><br />
#-el f Musäus, Johann Karl {{a|179989}} (23) <br />
5- Myers, Edward<br />
0- Myers, John Myers<br />
:-ERlsf Nabokov, Vladimir {{a|15974}} (235)<br />
> Nadir, A A ><br />
:-elsf Nathan, Robert {{a|2342}} (88) <br />
> Neiderman, Andrew ><br />
:-el f Nerval, Gérard de {{a|76941}} (167)<br />
:.elsf Nesbit, E {{a|5098}} (140) ; daughter '''Rosamund E. Nesbit Bland''' (2) --nidb [[User:Pwendt/People/E. Nesbit]]<br />
:-el f Newbolt, [Sir] Henry {{a|112892}} (61)<br />
2- Newlove, Donald<br />
5- Newman, Kim ,1959<br />
0- Newman, Robert<br />
4.. Newman, Sharan ,1949<br />
:-elsf Nichols, Beverley {{a|10051}} (120) = John B N<br />
:-elsf Nichols, Robert {{a|131770}} (30)<br />
4.. Nichols, Ruth ,1948<br />
:-elsf Nicholson, Joseph Shield {{a|131772}} (23)<br />
5- Niles, Douglas<br />
4..el f Nimmo, Jenny {{a|5089}} (27),1944<br />
:-elsf Nisbet, Hume {{a|19897}} (2)<br />
3- Niven, Larry<br />
#-elsf Nodier, Charles {{a|16549}} (113)<br />
2- Nolan, William F<br />
6- Norfolk, Lawrence<br />
> Norman, Jay ><br />
3- Norman, John = John Frederick Lange Jr<br />
><s> North, Andrew > </s><br />
1..elsf Norton, Andre {{a|209}} (212+);1912<br />
= Andrew North (pseud.) (1) ''Voodoo Planet'' and ''Plague Ship''<br />
= Alice Mary Norton (birth name) https://lccn.loc.gov/n88063436 (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/51013839 ''Huon''<br />
= Allen Weston --joint pseud. (1) non-genre<br />
0..el f Norton, Mary {{a|1376}} (44);1903 [[User:Pwendt/People/Mary Norton]] ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#The Borrowers]]<br />
> Norvil, Manning ><br />
:-elsf Noyes, Alfred {{a|19748}} (114) <br />
5..elsf Nye, Jody Lynn {{a|1432}} (37),1957 ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Crossroads Adventure publication series]]<br />
el f Nye, Robert {{a|5059}} (51) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Robert Nye]]<br />
q3..elsf Oates, Joyce Carol (235)<br />
> O'Brien, David Wright ><br />
1- O'Brien, Flann ;1911 = Brian O'Nolan or Briain ÓNuallàin<br />
> Ocampo, Silvina ><br />
3- Offutt, Andrew J<br />
> O'Hagan, Howard ><br />
> O'Hara, Kenneth ><br />
5- Okri, Ben<br />
:.el f Oliphant, Mrs {{a|79773}} (249)<br />
:-el f Onions, Oliver {{a|15191}} (60)<br />
4.. Ore, Rebecca ,1948<br />
5.. Orr, A ,1950 = Alice Ingram Orr Sprague<br />
0- Orwell, George = Eric Arthur Blair<br />
3? O'Shea, Pat ,1931<br />
> Ossian > Celtic Fantasy<br />
:-el f O'Sullivan, Vincent {{a|17777}} (19)<br />
#-el f Ovid {{a|19918}} (684)<br />
q:-elw f Owen, Frank (34)<br />
q2..el f Ozick, Cynthia ,1928<br />
><s> Padgett, Lewis > </s> joint Kuttner & Moore<br />
5- Page, Norvell W ;1904<br />
> Paget, Francis Edward > > Children's Fantasy.; Fairytale<br />
:-elsf Pain, Barry {{a|18225}} (26)<br />
5- Palmer, Thomas<br />
6.. Palwick, Susan ,1960<br />
1..eLLf Pargeter, Edith {{a|2173}} (38+66);1913 = Ellis Peters, pseud.<br />
3- Parkinson, Dan<br />
: '''Parry, [Sir] Edward Abbott''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Abbott_Parry EN]<br />
<s> Paton, Ephraim Soulsby > > Kenneth Morris</s><br />
3..elsf Paton Walsh, Jill {{a|4999}} (54),1939<br />
><s> Pattrick, William > pseud Peter Haining</s><br />
2- Pavič, Milorad<br />
4.. Paxson, Diana L ,1943<br />
><s> Paye, Robert > pseud Marjorie Bowen</s><br />
><s> Payne, Alan > > John W Jakes.</s><br />
> Peacock, Thomas Love > > Arthur; Flood; Ghost Stories.<br />
1- Peake, Mervyn<br />
2..elsf Pearce, Philippa {{a|4991}} (42),1920 ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Philippa Pearce]]<br />
0- Pei, Mario<br />
> Péladan, Joséphin > > Decadence<br />
><s> Penalurick, Jan > > Charles de Lint</s><br />
> Percy, Thomas > > Romance<br />
#-el f Perrault, Charles {{a|20007}} (380) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Perrault]]<br />
> Perrault, Pierre > French folklorist (1678-1700) --son<br />
:-EDlsf Perutz, Leo {{a|132231}} (54) <br />
><s> Peters, Ellis > pseud Edith Pargeter</s><br />
><s> Peyton, Richard > pseud Peter Haining</s><br />
:.el f Phelps, Elizabeth Stuart {{a|15188}} (86) +4Ward +1Adams<br />
><s> Phillips, Michael > pseud Charles Beaumont, sometimes with William F Nolan</s><br />
:-eLLsf Phillpotts, Eden {{a|212}} (256) +4 Hext Harrington<br />
:- lwwsf Phylos the Thibetan {{a|205327}} (2+7)[13+9] = Frederick Spencer Oliver<br />
5.. Pierce, Meredith Ann ,1958<br />
5..el f Pierce, Tamora {{a|867}} (57),1954<br />
5- Pike, Christopher = Kevin McFadden<br />
5- Pini, Richard<br />
5.. Pini, Wendy ,1951<br />
4- Pinkwater, Daniel M<br />
:-elsf Pirandello, Luigi {{a|157712}} (303) <br />
#-el f Planché, James Robinson {{a|122692}} (127) <br />
:-elsf Poe, Edgar Allan {{a|622}} (944) [[User:Pwendt/People/Edgar Allan Poe]]<br />
#-elsf Polidori, John {{a|19743}} (25) <br />
> Pollack, Frederick > > Posthumous Fantasy.<br />
4.. Pollack, Rachel ,1945<br />
:-elsf Pollock, Walter Herries {{a|6881}} (26) <br />
3.. lw f Poole, Josephine {{a|4942}} (18),1933<br />
1..el f Pope, Elizabeth Marie {{a|473}} (7);1917 <br />
2- '''Postgate, Oliver''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Postgate EN]<br />
#-elsf Potocki, [Count] Jan {{a|4935}} (23) <br />
:.el f Potter, Beatrix {{a|173620}} (384) <br />
><s> Power, Cecil > pseud Grant Allen</s><br />
6.. Power, Susan Mary ,1961<br />
5- Powers, Tim<br />
:-elsf Powys, John Cowper {{a|132147}} (130) <br />
> Powys, Llewelyn > third brother<br />
:-el f Powys, T F {{a|20010}} (48) <br />
:.el f Praed, Mrs [Rosa Campbell Praed] {{a|132339}} (25) <br />
5.. Prager, Emily ,1952<br />
4.. Prantera, Amanda ,1942<br />
4-elsf Pratchett, Terry {{a|155}} (105) <br />
:-elsf Pratt, Fletcher {{a|532}} (94) <br />
0- Pratt, Theodore<br />
<s> Preedy, George R > pseud Marjorie Bowen</s><br />
5- Preiss, Byron<br />
<s> Prescot, Dray > pseud Kenneth Bulmer</s><br />
:-elsf Price, E Hoffmann {{a|525}} (6)[many] <br />
4- Priest, Christopher<br />
:-elsf Priestley, J B {{a|1261}} (338)<br />
5-elsf Pringle, David {{a|719}} (15)<br />
> Proença, M Cavalcanti > > Brazil<br />
.. Prose, Francine ,1947<br />
4-elsf Pullman, Philip {{a|2692}} (53)<br />
#-el f P'u Sung-Ling [Pu Songling] {{a|126880}} (190) <br />
:-el f Pyle, Howard {{a|6311}} (188)<br />
3- Pynchon, Thomas<br />
> Q ><br />
> Questing, Frank ><br />
:-el f Quiller-Couch, [Sir] Arthur {{a|2088}} (156)<br />
> Quinet, Edgar ><br />
:-elsf Quinn, Seabury {{a|755}} (9)<br />
#-elsf Rabelais, François {{a|20438}} (190) <br />
4- Rabkin, Eric S<br />
> Rachilde ><br />
#.el f Radcliffe, [Mrs] Ann {{a|17155}} (71) <br />
5- Raeper, William<br />
> Ramal, Walter ><br />
> Ramsay, Jay ><br />
:-elsf Ramuz, Charles-Ferdinand {{a|223637}} (163) <br />
> Randolph, Ellen ><br />
4- Rankin, Robert<br />
5- Ransmayr, Christoph<br />
:-elsf Ransome, Arthur {{a|74131}} (87) <br />
5.. Rasmussen, Alis A ,1958<br />
#-elsf Raspe, Rudolf Erich {{a|1980}} (19) <br />
5.. Rawn, Melanie ,1954<br />
> Rayner, Olive Pratt ><br />
2- Rayner, William<br />
:-elsf Read, [Sir] Herbert {{a|37023}} (268) <br />
3- Reamy, Tom<br />
5- Reaves, J Michael<br />
3- Redgrove, Peter<br />
5- Reed, Jeremy<br />
#.el f Reeve, Clara {{a|29851}} (16) <br />
0-el f Reeves, James {{a|82345}} (125)<br />
5- Reeves-Stevens, Garfield<br />
5.. Reeves-Stevens, Judith ,1953<br />
6.. Reichert, Mickey Zucker = Miriam S Zucker Reichert<br />
> Reid, Desmond ><br />
:-el f Reid, Forrest {{a|116057}} (38)<br />
2..el f Reid Banks, Lynne {{a|n80028565}} (66),1929<br />
:-el f Remizov, Alexei {{a|208268}} (109) <br />
0..el f Renault, Mary {{a|1384}} (51);1905<br />
> Reynolds, Quintus ><br />
4..elsf Rice, Anne {{a|103}} (59),1941 + {{done}}<br />
= Anne Rampling (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/n86121823 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n86-121823<br />
= A. N. Roquelaure (4) https://lccn.loc.gov/n82114065 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n82-114065<br />
> Rice, James ><br />
5- Richard, Mark<br />
> Richards, Sean ><br />
0- Richardson, Maurice<br />
:.el f Riddell, [Mrs] J H {{a|1598}} (38) <br />
4.. Riley, Judith Merkle ,1942<br />
Rivkin, J F --joint pseud. of unknown 20c writers<br />
:-el f Robbins, Tod {{a|19170}} (8)[many] <br />
3- Robbins, Tom<br />
5.. Roberson, Jennifer ,1953<br />
> Robert de Boron ><br />
> Roberts, [Sir] Charles G D > ??<br />
4- Roberts, John Maddox<br />
3- Roberts, Keith<br />
5.. Roessner, Michaela ,1950<br />
?- Rogers, Mark<br />
5- Rogers, Mark E<br />
5- Rohan, Michael Scott<br />
:-elsf Rohmer, Sax {{a|1656}} (144) <br />
> Rolt, L T C ><br />
> Ronson, Mark ><br />
3- Rooke, Leon<br />
5- Rosenberg, Joel<br />
#- '''Rosencreutz, Christian --Rosicrucian founder''' --nidb (13) https://lccn.loc.gov/n50083276 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Rosenkreuz EN]<br />
3- Rosendorfer, Herbert<br />
> Rosny aîné, J H ><br />
> Ross, Clarissa ><br />
> Ross, Dana ><br />
1- Ross, Marilyn, pseud. = William Edward Daniel Ross (one of at least 20 names) ;1912<br />
> Ross, Olin ><br />
:.el f Rossetti, Christina {{a|118364}} (150) <br />
> Rossiter, Jane ><br />
3- Roszak, Theodore<br />
> Rousseau, Jean-Jacques ><br />
5- Rovin, Jeff<br />
4- Rowley, Christopher<br />
1- Ruark, Robert C<br />
1- Rubião, Murilo ;1916<br />
6- Ruff, Matt<br />
6.. Rusch, Kristine Kathryn ,1960<br />
4- Rushdie, Salman<br />
:-el f Ruskin, John {{a|19491}} (604) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Ruskin]]<br />
> Russ, Joanna ><br />
:-elsf Russell, W Clark {{a|132202}} (121)<br />
5- Ryman, Geoff<br />
:-el f Rymer, James Malcolm {{a|20009}} (4)[many] <br />
3- Saberhagen, Fred<br />
><s> Sage, Juniper > </s> = Margaret Wise Brown (first joint with Edith Thacher Hurd)<br />
> Saint-Aubin, Horace de ><br />
:-elsf Saki {{a|1204}} (65) = Hector Hugh Munro<br />
5.. Salmonson, Jessica Amanda ,1950<br />
:-el f Salten, Felix {{a|206101}} (129) <br />
> Saltykov, Mikhail ><br />
5- Salvatore, R A ,1959<br />
q3..elsf Sampson, Fay (10)<br />
4- San Souci, Robert D<br />
1-e s Sarban = John William Wall<br />
5- Sargent, Carl<br />
4- Saunders, Charles R<br />
7.. Savage, Felicity ,1975<br />
q3..Dlsf Saxton, Josephine (5)<br />
niEN<br />
0- Scanziani, Piero<br />
4.. Scarborough, Elizabeth Ann ,1947<br />
> Scavone, Rubens Teixeira ><br />
#- '''Schikaneder, Emanuel --librettist''' --nidb (161) https://lccn.loc.gov/n82227327 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Schikaneder EN] http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=schikaneder_emanuel <br />
3- Schmidt, Dennis A<br />
5- Schweitzer, Darrell<br />
> Scithers, George H ><br />
3- Scliar, Moacyr ,1937<br />
> Scot, Michael ><br />
> Scotland, Jay ><br />
5- Scott, Allan<br />
> Scott, Jeremy ><br />
6.. Scott, Melissa ,1960<br />
5-el f Scott, Michael {{a|931}} (32 +5)<br />
#-el f Scott, [Sir] Walter {{a|2069}} (1189)<br />
2-el f Selden, George {{a|221970}} (24) +1 Terry Andrews = George Selden Thompson<br />
--The Cricket in Times Square genre?<br />
1973 The Genie of Sutton Place [https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/119610863/6D013D931E154403PQ/1?accountid=11311] NYT 1973-05-06 Spring 1973 list<br />
https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/148470239/6D013D931E154403PQ/2?accountid=11311 WP -05-13<br />
https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/170412803/6D013D931E154403PQ/3?accountid=11311 CT -06-17<br />
https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/119862161/pageviewPDF/6D013D931E154403PQ/4?accountid=11311 NYT -06-24 pageview<br />
: no ISBN "Dell, 1974, (c)1973" o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2354825]<br />
: two ISBN (c)1973 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/797094388]<br />
: ISBN 0374425302 [https://www.amazon.com/Genie-Sutton-Place-George-Selden/dp/0374425302 at Amazon] Look inside 6th printing cover art (c)1994, first Sunburst 1984 ; o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/473727550] o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/17835926] 1984 (c)1973 Sunburst ; Fo[http://www.worldcat.org/title/genie-of-sutton-place/oclc/658116/editions?start_edition=11&sd=asc&referer=di&se=yr&editionsView=true&fq=]<br />
<br />
> Sellwood, A V ><br />
2- Sendak, Maurice --illustrator mainly<br />
#- '''Seneca, Lucius Annaeus''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_the_Younger EN: Seneca the Younger]<br />
> Sernine, Daniel ><br />
4.. Service, Pamela F ,1945<br />
> Seth, Vikram ><br />
> Seton, Ernest Thompson ><br />
0- Seuss, Dr = Theodore Seuss Geisel --illustrator mainly<br />
1- Severn, David = David Storr Unwin<br />
4.. Seymour, Miranda<br />
#-elsf Shakespeare, William {{a|22499}} (7967) [[User:Pwendt/People/Shakespeare]]<br />
0..el f Sharp, Margery {{a|19972}} (78);1905 <br />
:-elsf Shaw, George Bernard {{a|17781}} (867) <br />
4- Shea, Michael<br />
><s> Shearing, Joseph > pseud Marjorie Bowen</s><br />
#.elsf Shelley, Mary {{a|1836}} (289) <br />
#-el f Shelley, Percy Bysshe {{a|2070}} (469) <br />
4- Shelley, Rick<br />
4- Shepard, Lucius<br />
5.. Sherman, Delia ,1951<br />
> Sherman, Frank Dempster ><br />
4.. Sherman, Josepha ,1946<br />
2- Sherrell, Carl<br />
5- Shetterly, Will<br />
:-elsf Shiel, M P {{a|4728}} (32) <br />
5.. Shinn, Sharon ,1957<br />
1.. lwf Shuler, Linda Lay {{a|4722}} (3);1910<br />
4.. Shwartz, Susan M ,1949<br />
> Siegel, Barbara ><br />
5- Siegel, Scott<br />
> Sienkiewicz, Henryk ><br />
?- Silke, James R<br />
3-elsf Silverberg, Robert {{a|54}} (270)<br />
0- Simak, Clifford D<br />
> Šimánek, Josef ><br />
4- Simmons, Dan<br />
1- Simpson, N F ;1919<br />
3- Sinclair, Andrew<br />
> Sinclair, Catherine ><br />
4- Sinclair, Clive<br />
:-elsf Sinclair, Upton {{a|20435}} (520) <br />
0-el f Singer, Isaac Bashevis {{a|1383}} (167) <br />
4.. Singer, Marilyn ,1948<br />
:-el f Sitwell, Sacheverell {{a|167329}} (184) <br />
> Skaldaspillir, Sigfridur ><br />
0- '''Skinner, Martyn''' --nidb; born 1906 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyn_Skinner EN stub]<br />
:- lw f Skipper, Mervyn (6)<br />
niEN, niQ<br />
4-elsf Sleator, William {{a|518}} (24)<br />
0..el f Sleigh, Barbara {{a|30719}} (18);1906<br />
> Slowacki, Juliusz ><br />
5- Smeds, Dave = real name of Reed Manning<br />
:-el f Smith, Arthur D Howden {{a|15211}} (27)<br />
:-elsf Smith, Clark Ashton {{a|819}} (36) <br />
5- Smith, David C<br />
:.el f Smith, Dodie {{a|174261}} (69) <br />
6.. Smith, Julie Dean ,1960<br />
> Smith, Junius B ><br />
?- Smith, Nyx ,19xx = N(athan) Y(ale) X(avier) Smith<br />
5.. Smith, Stephanie A ,1959<br />
:-elsf Smith, Thorne {{a|1313}} (44) <br />
5.. Smoodin, Roberta ,1952<br />
5.. Snodgrass, Melinda M ,1951<br />
> Snow, Jack ><br />
> Snowdon, Evan ><br />
5.. Snyder, Midori ,1954<br />
2..el f Snyder, Zilpha Keatley {{a|2502}} (58),1927<br />
> Soloviev, Vladimir ><br />
> Somadeva ><br />
5- Somtow, S P ,1952 = Somtow Papinian Sucharitku<br />
> Songweaver, Cerin ><br />
2- Sørensen, Villy ,1929<br />
:- '''Sousa, John Philip --composer''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Philip_Sousa EN]<br />
:-elsf Southesk, the Earl Of {{a|148146}} (5)<br />
https://legionmagazine.com/en/2003/01/beware-the-windigo/ --evidently from 1859/1860 diary of journey in the plains ; also<br />
1862 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/35999287]<br />
1876 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/13392480], 52-page poem -HDL <br />
1976/1899 https://lccn.loc.gov/75046307 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2317572]<br />
#-el f Southey, Robert {{a|114888}} (200) <br />
4- Souto, Marcial ,1947<br />
> Soyka, Otto ><br />
1..el f Spark, Muriel {{a|16326}} (126);1918<br />
6..e f Spedding [Alison Louise] {{a|3483}} (20),1962 --no English-lang library records?<br />
:-el f Spence, Lewis {{a|19875}} (86)<br />
4- Spencer, William Browning<br />
#-el f Spenser, Edmund {{a|114708}} (205) <br />
4..el f Springer, Nancy {{a|587}} (57),1948<br />
> Spunda, Franz ><br />
4-elsf Stableford, Brian M {{a|556}} (53)<br />
> Staines, Trevor ><br />
4.. Stanton, Mary ,1947<br />
:-el f Starrett, Vincent {{a|15960}} (81)<br />
4- Stasheff, Christopher<br />
#- '''Statius, Publius Papinius''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statius EN]<br />
> Steele, V M ><br />
> Steiner, K Leslie ><br />
:-el f Stephens, James {{a|13629}} (79)<br />
> Stephens, Reed ><br />
> Sterling, George ><br />
:-el f Sterling, John {{a|2064}} (9) <br />
:.elsf Stevens, Francis {{a|2017}} (4) = Mrs Gertrude (Barrows) Bennett <br />
:-elsf Stevenson, Robert Louis {{a|1964}} (1293) <br />
5.. Stevermer, Caroline ,1955<br />
1..el f Stewart, Mary {{a|2362}} (57);1916<br />
6- Stewart, Sean<br />
> Stockbridge, Grant ><br />
:-elsf Stockton, Frank R {{a|1968}} (165)<br />
:-elsf Stoker, Bram {{a|650}} (210)<br />
> Stokes, Manning Lee ><br />
0-el f Stonier, G W {{a|119544}} (12);1903<br />
4- Straub, Peter<br />
:-elsf Stribling, T S {{a|13182}} (32) <br />
4- Strickland, Brad<br />
:-el f Strindberg, August {{a|168921}} (434) <br />
> Strobl, Karl Hans ><br />
2- Strugatsky, Arkady AND(brothers)<br />
2- Strugatsky, Boris (Natanovich)<br />
0- Stuart, Francis<br />
1-elsf Sturgeon, Theodore {{a|56}} (62) <br />
> Suassuna, Ariano ><br />
> Sucharitkul, Somtow ><br />
:-el f Sue, Eugène {{a|4558}} (159) <br />
4- Süskind, Patrick<br />
2..el f Sutcliff, Rosemary {{a|1532}} (88),1920<br />
> Švantner, František ><br />
3- Swahn, Sven Christer<br />
2- Swann, Thomas Burnett<br />
5- Swanwick, Michael<br />
#-elsf Swift, Jonathan {{a|303}} (540) <br />
> Swinburne, Algernon > ??<br />
3- Swithin, Antony = William Antony Swithin Sarjeant<br />
1- Symonds, John<br />
:.el f Syrett, Netta {{a|254822}} (37)<br />
+ sister-illustrator :. w .Syrett, Nellie {{a|178887}}<br />
5- Szilagyi, Steve<br />
> Takei, George ><br />
><s> Tallis, Robyn > pseud Debra Doyle</s><br />
4.. Tannen, Mary ,1943<br />
> Tarnmoor, Salvator R ><br />
5.. Tarr, Judith ,1955<br />
6.. Tartt, Donna ,1964<br />
4- Taylor, Keith<br />
3- Taylor, Roger<br />
#- '''Tchulkov, Mikhail''' --nidb --niEN.wiki --"along with the more talented writer Vasily Levshin, created Russian fantasy as a genre"<br />
q3..elsf Tennant, Emma (44)<br />
> Tenneshaw, S M ><br />
> Tennyson, Alfred Lord ><br />
> Teophilo, de Rodolpho ><br />
q2..elsf Tepper, Sheri S (34) = E E Horlak, pseud.<br />
:-el f Thackeray, William Makepeace {{a|119470}} (484)<br />
1- Themerson, Stefan<br />
3- Thomas, D M ,1935<br />
1- Thomas, Dylan ;1914<br />
4- Thomas, Roy<br />
> Thomas, Thomas T ><br />
5- Thompson, Paul B<br />
> Thompson, Ruth Plumly ><br />
> Thornley, Richard ><br />
:-elsf Thurber, James {{a|13001}} (166) <br />
:-el f Thurston, E Temple {{a|82993}} (66) <br />
> Ticheburn, Cheviot ><br />
#-el f Tieck, Johann Ludwig {{a|96093}} (151)<br />
3- Timlett, Peter Valentine<br />
:-elsf Timlin, William M {{a|146305}} (6)<br />
> Titmarsh, M A ><br />
:.el f Todd, Barbara Euphan {{a|108828}} (9) <br />
3- Todorov, Tzvetan<br />
>-el f Tolkien, Christopher {{a|2328}} (49) > J R R TOLKIEN<br />
:-elsf Tolkien, J R R {{a|302}} (230) <br />
3- Tolstoy, Nikolai<br />
> Tomline, F ><br />
> Tompkins, Wentworth ><br />
:.el f Travers, P L {{a|36455}} (65);1899 ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Mary Poppins]]<br />
1-el f Treece, Henry {{a|22756}} (79);1911<br />
4- Tremayne, Peter = Peter Berresford Ellis<br />
> Trevor, Meriol ><br />
2- Tryon, Thomas<br />
:-el f Turgenev, Ivan {{a|19779}} (531) <br />
5.. Tuttle, Lisa ,1952<br />
2- Tutuola, Amos<br />
:-elsf Twain, Mark {{a|160}} (1546) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Twain]]<br />
:-elsf Tweed, Thomas F {{a|171014}} (4)[same] 2 novels only, under 4 titles<br />
> Two Wags ><br />
> Umansky, Kaye > > (1946-? ) US writer. > Children's Fantasy.<br />
:.el f Underhill, Evelyn {{a|158871}} (90)<br />
3- Updike, John<br />
:.el f Uttley, Alison {{a|4471}} (97)<br />
><s> Vace, Geoffrey > > Hugh B Cave</s><br />
?? Van Asten, Gail ,19xx --debut 1988<br />
1-elsf Vance, Jack {{a|}};1916 (101) <br />
5..el f Vande Velde, Vivian {{a|1546}} (41),1951<br />
:-el f Vane, Sutton {{a|279823}} (13) <br />
> van Gulik, Robert > > Oriental Fantasy.<br />
><s>Van Lustbader, Eric ,1946 >Lustbader, Eric Van</s><br />
2-elsf Vansittart, Peter {{a|4462}},1920 (38) <br />
1-elsf van Vogt, A E {{a|58}};1912 (21) <br />
4- Vardeman, Robert E ,1947<br />
1- '''Veiga, José J''' --nidb {{a|}};1915 () http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=veiga_jose_j<br />
><s> Vergil > </s><br />
> Verlaine, Paul > > Decadence<br />
:-elsf Viereck, George {{a|107682}} (59)<br />
:-elsf Villiers de L'Isle-Adam, Comte De {{a|19935}} (58) <br />
:-el f Vines, Sherard {{a|160515}} (17) <br />
4.. Vinge, Joan D ,1948<br />
><s>Vipont, Elfrida > Raymond Briggs.</s> minor co-author<br />
#-el f Virgil {{a|110868}} (995) <br />
:-elsf Visiak, E H {{a|82633}} (13)<br />
:-elsf Vivian, E C {{a|6696}} (20+) --three pseudonyms, not identified at WorldCat<br />
= Charles Cannell no97041031 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no97-041031<br />
= Barry Lynd nb2007017003 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-nb2007-017003<br />
= Jack Mann no95021935 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no95-021935<br />
?.el f Volsky, Paula {{a|2246}},19xx (9) --debut 1982 <br />
> Von Aue, Hartmann > > (?1160-?1215) German chronicler. > Arthur.<br />
#-el . Von Eschenbach, Wolfram > > Arthur; Perceval. 12/13th century {{a|183029}} (86) <br />
#-el . Von Strassburg, Gottfried > > Arthur. 12/13th century {{a|222268}} (45) <br />
0-el f Wagenknecht, Edward {{a|101461}};1900 (86)<br />
4- Wagner, Karl Edward ,1945<br />
:-el f Waite, A E {{a|117721}} (97)<br />
:-el f Wakefield, H Russell {{a|14349}} (15)<br />
:-el f Waley, Arthur {{a|147813}} (106)<br />
5.. Walker, Wendy ,1951<br />
0-el f Wall, Mervyn {{a|1745}};1908 (8)<br />
2-el f Wallop, Douglass {{a|}},1920 (29) <br />
#-el f Walpole, Horace {{a|629}} (192)<br />
0..el f Walton, Evangeline {{a|1506}} (14);1907<br />
4.. Wandor, Michelene ,1940<br />
0-elsf Wandrei, Donald {{a|}};1908 (3) <br />
0-el f Wandrei, Howard {{a|1149}};1909 (2)<br />
4- Wangerin, Walter Jr ,1944<br />
><br />
:- '''Ward, Christopher''' --nidb --niEN.wiki<br />
><br />
4.. Warner, Marina ,1946<br />
0-elsf Warner, Rex {{a|169878}};1905 (87) <br />
:.el f Warner, Sylvia Townsend {{a|7092}} (75) <br />
5.. Warrington, Freda ,1956<br />
4- Watson, Ian ,1943<br />
5- Watt-Evans, Lawrence ,1954 = Evans, Lawrence Watt<br />
q3..el f Waugh, Sylvia (8)<br />
6- Weaver, Michael D ,1961<br />
3- Webber, Collin ,1939<br />
> Weber, Henry William > "(1783-1818) UK anthologist. See Anthologies.<br />
4- Weinberg, Robert ,1946<br />
4- Weir, Peter ,1944<br />
4.. Weis, Margaret ,1948<br />
?- Weisman, Jordan K ,????<br />
> Weiss, Jan > "(1892-1972) Czech writer. See Czech Republic; Slovakia.<br />
0- Wellman, Manly Wade {{a|}};1903 ()<br />
4- Wells, Angus ,1943<br />
:-elsf Wells, H G {{a|65}} (760) [[User:Pwendt/People/H. G. Wells]]<br />
><s> Wells, John Jay > </s> joint "See Marion Zimmer Bradley; Juanita Coulson.<br />
6.. Wells, Martha ,1964<br />
><br />
><br />
:.el f West, [Dame] Rebecca {{a|82909}} (97) <br />
2- Westall, Robert ,1929<br />
><br />
:.el f Weston, Jessie L {{a|206062}} (50) <br />
> Wham, Tom > "(1944- ) US author. See Rose Estes.<br />
:.el f Wharton, Edith {{a|19663}} (345) <br />
2- Wharton, William ,1927 = Albert DuAime<br />
:-elsf Wheatley, Dennis {{a|4379}} (119)<br />
5- Whitbourn, John ,1958<br />
><br />
:-el f White, E B {{a|2046}} (97) <br />
0-elsf White, T H {{a|2322}} (83) <br />
:-el f Whitehead, Henry S {{a|1214}} (4)[many] <br />
3- Whittemore, Edward ,1933<br />
:-elsf Wilde, Oscar {{a|1599}} (758) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Wilde]]<br />
><br />
q3..elsf Wilder, Cherry (11)<br />
:-el f Wilder, Thornton {{a|128182}} (216) <br />
><br />
><br />
4- Wilks, Mike ,1947 --illustrator mainly<br />
3..el f Willard, Nancy {{a|2319}} (75),1936<br />
6.. Willey, Elizabeth ,1960<br />
:-elsf Williams, Charles {{a|255}} (94) <br />
above Williams, Garth ;1912 --illustrator mainly<br />
><br />
5- Williams, Michael ,1952<br />
><br />
5- Williams, Tad ,1957 = Robert Paul Williams<br />
4- Williamson, Chet ,1948 <br />
0-elsf Williamson, Jack {{a|256}};1908 (69) <br />
3-el f Williamson, J N (Gerald Neal) {{a|1436}},1932 (18) <br />
5- Williamson, Philip G ,1955<br />
4..elsf Willis, Connie {{a|99}},1945 (19)<br />
3- Wilson, Colin {{a|}},1931 ()<br />
3- Wilson, David Henry {{a|}},1937 ()<br />
4- Wilson, F Paul {{a|}},1946 ()<br />
3-elsf Wilson, Gahan {{a|1560}},1930 (55) --cartoonist<br />
><br />
><br />
5.. Windling, Terri ,1958<br />
5.. Winterson, Jeanette ,1959<br />
> Witkiewicz, Stanislaw Ignacy > "(1885-1939) Polish novelist and playwright. See Poland.<br />
:-elsf Wodehouse, [Sir] P G {{a|13508}} (477) <br />
3-elsf Wolfe, Gene {{a|171}},1931 (69)<br />
1-elsf Wollheim, Donald A {{a|826}};1914 (36) <br />
: Wollheim founded the publisher DAW Books Inc. <br />
: edited a number of science fiction anthologies and wrote the Mike Mars series and several other science fiction novels, some under the pseudonym David Grinnell)<br />
= David Grinnell https://lccn.loc.gov/no98116666 (4)<br />
3- Wongar, B ,1932<br />
4.. Wood, Bridget ,1947<br />
2- Wood, Wallace --Comics artist<br />
><br />
> Woodforde, Christopher > "(1907-1962) UK writer. See Ghost Stories for Children; James Gang.<br />
:.elsf Woolf, Virginia {{a|4308}} (320) ; :-el Leonard Woolf {{a|201306}} (104) <br />
q3..el f Woolley, Persia (9) = Janet Lois Higman Woolley<br />
:.elwf Worrell, Kathleen L {{a|263118}} (0) [2] <br />
[https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/534589102/1197313E20C477FPQ/1?accountid=11311] The Sun 1920-04-14 advertisement for April ''Physical Culture'', "Venus had spoken to this frail American girl" (only hit 'Kathleen l. worrell' 1920 1929)<br />
5.. Wrede, Patricia C ,1953<br />
:-elsf Wright, Farnsworth, ed. {{a|1130}} (1) --editor, Weird Tales<br />
2..el f Wrightson, Patricia {{a|2364}} (26),1921<br />
5.. Wurts, Janny ,1953<br />
> Wyatt, Horace > "(1876-1954) US writer. See Wonderland.<br />
:-el f Wyke-Smith, E A {{a|3208}} (1)<br />
:.el f Wylie, Elinor {{a|4292}} (43)<br />
> Wylie, Jonathan = joint pseud. h/w Mark and Julia Smith<br />
4..elsf Yarbro, Chelsea Quinn {{a|360}},1942 (79+12)<br />
:-elsf Yeats, William Butler {{a|22704}} (566) <br />
4-elsf Yep, Laurence {{a|708}} (82),1948<br />
3..elsf Yolen, Jane {{a|250}} (359),1939<br />
:.el f Young, Ella {{a|783}} (20)<br />
1-elsf Young, Robert F {{a|391}};1915 (6) <br />
0..el f Yourcenar, Marguerite {{a|211321}} (108);1903 <br />
> Záborský, Jonáš > "(1812-1876) Slovak writer. See Slovakia.<br />
3-elsf Zelazny, Roger {{a|69}},1937 (81) <br />
> Zeyer, Julius > "(1841-1901) Czech writer. See Czech Republic.<br />
4-elsf Zimmer, Paul Edwin {{a|356}},1943 (4)<br />
3-el f Zipes, Jack {{a|10593}},1937 (75)<br />
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#-el f Apel, Johann August {{a|210857}} (15) <br />
#-el f Apuleius {{a|2066}} (178)<br />
#-el f Ariosto, Lodovico {{a|3843}} (200)<br />
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AuthorUpdate done for all entries annotated in this list, including English Wikipedia ('e') always; Library of Congress ('l') almost always; ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' ('f') all entries and many redirects. For instance compare {{a|Frank E. Schoonover}} ('f') with {{a| J. C. Leyendecker}} and {{a|Norman Rockwell}} (no 'f'), where I judged that the Encyclopedia article "Illustration" adds too little value on Leyendecker and Rockwell. That is, the ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' link for Schoonover constitutes a recommendation.<br />
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:: [[User talk:Biomassbob#Riverside Quarterly, August 1975]]<br />
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4 +elsf Achilleos, Chris {{a|56901}} (4) ,1947 .<br />
Adams, Neal ,1941 .<br />
1 +el f Addams, Charles "Chas" {{a|7218}} (28) ,1912 .<br />
: 19 Alastair '''--nidb<br />
Alcala, Alfredo P ,1925 ..<br />
4 +el f Aldridge, Alan {{a|2285}} (19) ,1943 .<br />
# +EIl f Arcimboldo, Giuseppe {{a|147500}} (8) --boldi, boldo, boldus ,1526 ..<br />
0 el f Ardizzone, Edward {{a|34128}} (163) ,1900 .<br />
> Aris, Ernest Alfred ><br />
> '''ART''' > Fantasy Art; Illustration<br />
>:. +el f Attwell, Mabel Lucy {{a|226763}} (6) > Illustration (6) ,1879 ..<br />
Ayrton, Michael ,1921 .<br />
-- -- .. Baynes, Pauline -- not in EoF !<br />
Bantock, Nick ,1949 .<br />
:. +el f Barker, Cicely Mary {{a|139279}} (36) ,1895 .<br />
0 +el f Barks, Carl {{a|31550}} (22) ,1901 ..<br />
> Barr, George ><br />
Barr, Ken ,1933 ..<br />
: el f Beardsley, Aubrey {{a|25644}} (119) ,1872 .<br />
> Beck, C C ><br />
>.. Bell, Julie ><br />
Bellamy, Frank '''--nidb<br />
Bermejo, Luis ,1931 .<br />
Bisley, Simon ,1962 ..<br />
: +el f Blampied, Edmund {{a|233191}} (6) ,1886 ..<br />
Bolton, John ,1951 ..<br />
# ENlf Bosch, Hieronymus {{a|26314}} (100) ,1450 ..<br />
Breccia, Alberto '''--nidb<br />
3 +elsf Briggs, Raymond {{a|117601}} (72) ,1934 .<br />
> Briggs, Stephen ><br />
: el f Brock, C E {{a|37686}} (60) ,1870 ..<br />
: el f Brock, H M {{a|62371}} (23) ,1875 ..<br />
>: +el f [W. H.] Brooke, William Henry {{a|258457}} (3) > Illustration -- illus. Croker 1825<br />
# el f Bruegel, Pieter {{a|121308}} (142) ,1525 ..<br />
: +el f Bull, René {{a|180200}} (7) ,1872 ..<br />
: el f Burne-Jones, [Sir] Edward {{a|26365}} (60) ,1833 .<br />
Burns, Jim ,1948 ..<br />
Burns, John M '''--nidb<br />
> "Byron" ><br />
: el f Caldecott, Randolph {{a|134537}} (85) ,1846 ..<br />
Campbell, Eddie ,1955 .<br />
Cawthorn, James ,1929 .<br />
Chaykin, Howard ,1950 ..<br />
: elsf Chesterton, G K {{a|2044}} (520) -- chiefly as writer ,1874<br />
: 19 Čiurlionis, Mykalojus Konstantinas () '''--nidb<br />
: +el f Clarke, Harry {{a|121981}} (10) ,1889 ..<br />
: +el f Coll, Joseph Clement {{a|114370}} (9) ,1881 ..<br />
Corben, Richard ,1940 .<br />
1 elsf Crandall, Reed {{a|122264}} (24) ,1917 .. <br />
: el f Crane, Walter {{a|117080}} (152) ,1845 ..<br />
Crepax, Guido ,1933 ..<br />
# el f Cruikshank, George {{a|116830}} (632) [http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/6843 Oxford DNB] born -09-27 ,1792 .<br />
: +el f Dadd, Richard {{a|116450}} (2) ,1817 ..<br />
0 el f Dalí, Salvador {{a|24855}} (293) ,1904 .<br />
Dean, Roger ,1944 ..<br />
: +el f de Bosschère, Jean {{a|153904}} (34) ,1878 <br />
Delano, Jamie '''--nidb except one interview (uncertain identity noted {{a|146025}})<br />
: +EFlf de Neuville, Alphonse Marie {{a|174616}} (12) ,1836 ..<br />
>#16 Dietterlin, Wendel {{a|108464}} (7) > Edifice ; Piranesi https://lccn.loc.gov/n87805561 ,1550 ..<br />
+elsf Di Fate, Vincent {{a|1803}} (7)<br />
>:19 Dirks, Rudolph > Comics -- Katzenjammer Kids '''--nidb<br />
Disney, Walt '''--nidb<br />
Ditko, Steve ,1927 ..<br />
: EFlf Doré, Gustave {{a|26414}} (305) ,1832 ..<br />
: el f Doyle, Richard {{a|157832}} (57) ,1824 .<br />
> Druillet, Philippe ><br />
: EFlf Dulac, Edmund {{a|105321}} (63) ,1882 .<br />
># el f Dürer, Albrecht >> [Illustration] {{a|77865}} (485) ,1471 ..<br />
4 elsf Edwards, Les {{a|25101}} (3) 1949 ..<br />
> Eggleton, Bob ><br />
1 el f Eisner, Will {{a|37770}} (98) ,1917 .. <br />
> Eleuteri-Serpieri, Paolo ><br />
Embleton, Ron ,1930 .<br />
Emett, Rowland '''--nidb<br />
: el f Ernst, Max {{a|25280}} (195) ,1891 ..<br />
: elsf Escher, M C {{a|25296}} (46) ,1898 ..<br />
> Fabian, Stephen ><br />
'''FANTASY ART''' [JG/RT] by Jon Gustafson and Ron Tiner<br />
: l f Fell, H Granville {{a|168215}} (10) ,1872 ..<br />
Fernandez, Fernando ,1940 ..<br />
> Finger, Bill (22) > [Batman co-creator] '''--nidb<br />
1 +elsf Finlay, Virgil {{a|1084}} (3) ,1914 .<br />
Firchow, Steve ,1966 ..<br />
>: +elw Fitzgerald, John Anster {{a|59091}} (0?) > Illustration ,1819 ..<br />
Fitzpatrick, Jim ,1948 .<br />
: +el f Flint, [Sir] W Russell {{a|132835}} (3) ,1880 ..<br />
Flynn, Danny ,1958 ..<br />
: el f Ford, H J {{a|120009}} (38) ,1860 ..<br />
3 +el f Foreman, Michael {{a|8283}} (159) ,1938 .<br />
: el f Foster, Harold R [Hal] {{a|113098}} (9) -- comic strip Tarzan, Prince Valiant ,1892 ..<br />
19 Fraser, Claud Lovat '''--nidb<br />
0 +el f Fraser, Eric George {{a|114951}} (4) ,1902 ..<br />
2 +elsf Frazetta, Frank {{a|1825}} (19) ,1928 ..<br />
2 +elsf Freas, Kelly {{a|488}} (17) ,1922 ..<br />
> "Fritz" ><br />
> el f Frost, Arthur Burdette [Burdett] >> [Illustration] {{a|112538}} (229) ,1851 ..<br />
4 el f Froud, Brian {{a|4048}} (37) ,1947 .<br />
: el f Furniss, Harry {{a|113861}} (41) ,1854 ..<br />
# el f Fuseli, Henry {{a|26228}} (53) ,1741 ..<br />
> Gerber, Steve ><br />
4 +EDlsf Giger, H R {{a|21090}} (20) ,1940 ..<br />
>18 Gillray, James > Comics '''--nidb<br />
Giolitti, Alberto '''--nidb<br />
> Giraud, Jean > see Moebius<br />
: +elsf Goble, Warwick {{a|26164}} (12) ,1862 ..<br />
: elsf Goldberg, Rube [R.L.] {{a|238431}} (58) ,1883 ..<br />
> "Gore" ><br />
2 elsf Gorey, Edward {{a|1880}} (194) ,1925 .<br />
<u>Goscinny and Uderzo</u><br />
= René Goscinny ,1926 (one work as writer)<br />
= Albert Uderzo ,1927 (one work as writer/illustrator)<br />
: +elsf Gould, F Carruthers {{a|228371}} (14) poor canonical name? --cartoonist ,1844 .<br />
: +EFlsf Grandville, Isidore {{a|152270}} (96) ,1803 .<br />
:.. el f Greenaway, Kate {{a|173272}} (84) ,1846 ..<br />
: + l f Griset, Ernest {{a|107748}} (17) https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n90-626969 ,1844 ..<br />
# +EDl f Grünewald, Matthias {{a|176663}} (45) ,1470 ..<br />
Gurney, James ,1958 .<br />
>.. Harris, Mabel Rollins ><br />
: el f Herriman, George {{a|24479}} (57) -- comic strip Krazy Kat ,1880 ..<br />
Hescox, Richard ,1949 ..<br />
> Higgins, Graham ><br />
<u>Hildebrandt Brothers</u><br />
3 elsf Greg {{a|8024}} (55) ,1939 .<br />
3 elsf Tim {{a|25736}} (36) ,1939 .<br />
1 el f Hogarth, Burne {{a|121762}} (31) -- comic strip Tarzan ,1911 ..<br />
'''ILLUSTRATION''' [RT] by Ron Tiner<br />
> Infantino, Carmine ><br />
.1 elsf Ingels, Graham {{a|27729}} (15) ,1915 .. <br />
-- Ipcar, Dahlov --inserted 2017-08-16 <br />
--indb chiefly as writer (below), probably known chiefly as picture book illustrator<br />
2 +el f Jacques, Robin {{a|26271}} (53) ,1920 ..<br />
Jones, Chuck --indb no data ..<br />
Jones, Jeffrey ,1944 .<br />
Jones, Peter Andrew ,1951 ..<br />
Kaluta, Michael William ,1947 ..<br />
1 +elsf Kane, Bob {{a|8501}} (204) ,1915 .<br />
: +elsf Kauffer, Edward McKnight {{a|116597}} (33) ,1890 ..<br />
2 el f Keeping, Charles {{a|78341}} (70) ,1924 ..<br />
Kelly, Ken ,1946 ..<br />
1 el f Kelly, Walt {{a|40301}} (185) -- comic strip Pogo ,1913 ..<br />
>:19 King, Frank > Comics '''--nidb<br />
Kirby, Josh ,1928 .<br />
1 elsf Krenkel, Roy G {{a|901}} (7) ,1918 .. <br />
>: +DEl f Kubin, Alfred {{a|122909}} (110) > Austria; Germany ,1877<br />
4 el f Lee, Alan {{a|3392}} (22) ,1947 .<br />
: +el f Leech, John {{a|152008}} (84) ,1817 ..<br />
: +elsf Lewis, Wyndham {{a|49201}} (139) ,1882 <br />
>: +el Leyendecker, J C {{a|223992}} (34) > Illustration ,1874 ..<br />
: +el f Lindsay, Norman {{a|30344}} (65) -- chiefly as writer ,1879 <br />
> Lleida, Rosa ><br />
: elsf Lofting, Hugh {{a|5360}} (89) -- chiefly as writer ,1886 <br />
McBride, Angus ,1931 ..<br />
6 +elsf McKean, Dave {{a|2471}} (48) ,1963 .<br />
: el f Magritte, René {{a|4858}} (110) ,1898 ..<br />
5 +elsf Maitz, Don {{a|421}} (4) ,1953 ..<br />
Manara, Milo ,1945 .<br />
Maroto, Esteban ,1942 ..<br />
# +elsf Martin, John b. 1789 {{a|118729}} (12) ,1789 ..<br />
Matthews, Rodney ,1945 (also one chapbook) ..<br />
Mattingly, David B ,1956 ..<br />
>:19 Maxon, Rex > Comics; Tarzan '''--nidb<br />
Mignola, Michael J ,1960 .<br />
: +el f Millais, [Sir] John Everett {{a|131549}} (34) ,1829 ..<br />
: el f Millar, H R {{a|37676}} (18) .1869 ..<br />
Miller, Frank ,1957 ..<br />
Miller, Ian ,1946 ..<br />
Mills, Patrick '''--nidb<br />
> Minton, John ><br />
3 +EFlsf Moebius {{a|26595}} (37) = Jean Giraud ,1938 ..<br />
> Morrill, Rowena ><br />
6 el f Morrison, Grant {{a|3231}} (165) -- indb as writer ,1960<br />
: el f Morrow, George {{a|14108}} (18) 1869 ..<br />
>.. Mozert, Zoe ><br />
# +el f Mulready, William {{a|190796}} (6) > Illustration ,1786 .<br />
: --''Butterfly's Ball'' by William Roscoe[nidb] 1807 https://lccn.loc.gov/73165023<br />
; cf Alan Aldridge {{a|2285}} 1973 edition nidb<br />
; EN.wiki ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Butterfly%27s_Ball,_and_the_Grasshopper%27s_Feast Butterfly's Ball]''<br />
Niño, Alex ,1940 ..<br />
19 Odle, Alan '''--nidb<br />
4.. el f Olivia [De Bernardinis] {{a|37135}} ,1948 ..<br />
>:.. +el f [O'Neill] O'Niell, Rose Cecil {{a|196799}} (50) > Illustration --indb as writer only ,1874<br />
Ortiz, José = Jose Ortiz Moya, Spanish comics artist ,1932 '''--nidb<br />
Otomo, Katsuhiro ,1954 .<br />
>:19 Outcoult, R F > Comics '''--nidb<br />
: +el f Papé, Frank C {{a|26984}} (24) --signed Frank C Pape and PAPE respectively https://lccn.loc.gov/n79067911 (notes, draft at [[User:Pwendt/temp]]) ,1878 ..<br />
: el f Parrish, Maxfield {{a|21111}} (70) ,1870 ..<br />
>: +el f Paton, [Sir] Joseph Noel {{a|215156}} (11) > Illustration ,1821 ..<br />
1 +elsf Peake, Mervyn {{a|2318}} (80) ,1911 .<br />
Pennington, Bruce ,1944 ..<br />
3 +el f Pieńkowski, Jan {{a|33465}} (88) -- as Pienkowski ,1936 .<br />
Pini, Richard --almost exclusively as writer ,1950 .<br />
5.. Pini, Wendy ,1951 .<br />
> Piper, John ><br />
# +elsf Piranesi, Giovanni Battista {{a|196589}} (113) ,1720 ..<br />
Ploog, Mike 1942 ..<br />
: +el f Pogány, Willy {{a|163273}} (68) -- as Pogany ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Pogany]] ,1882 .<br />
> Pratt, Hugo ><br />
: el f Pyle, Howard {{a|6311}} (188) ,1853 .<br />
: el f Rackham, Arthur {{a|34363}} (140) ,1867 ..<br />
0 +elsf Raymond, Alex {{a|29918}} (43) -- Flash Gordon ,1909 .<br />
: elsf Robinson, Charles {{a|88489}} (many) -- "referred to in the entry for W. Heath Robinson" ,1870 ..<br />
: elsf Robinson, W Heath {{a|81073}} (65) ,1872 .<br />
>: +el Rockwell, Norman {{a|115640}} (127) > ,1894 ..<br />
>:19 Ross, Charles Henry () > Comics -- The Yellow Kid '''--nidb<br />
: el f Rossetti, Dante Gabriel {{a|22705}} (183) ,1828 .<br />
: el f Rountree, Harry {{a|129171}} (7) ,1878 ..<br />
Rowena ,1944 .<br />
# 18 Rowlandson, Thomas () > Comics '''--nidb<br />
> Rubimor ><br />
>:19 St John, John Allen > Tarzan '''--nidb<br />
> Sale, Tim ><br />
Sanjulian, Manuel Perez ,1941 ..<br />
Scarfe, Gerald '''--nidb<br />
>: +el f Schoonover, Frank {{a|109163}} (34) > Illustration ,1877 ..<br />
Searle, Ronald ,1920 .<br />
Segrelles, Vi[n]cente ,1940 ..<br />
2 el f Sendak, Maurice {{a|7838}} (183) ,1928 .<br />
0 el f Seuss, Dr {{a|194995}} (190)+30+9+1 ,1904 .<br />
: el f Shepard, E H {{a|109448}} (192) ,1879 ..<br />
Sienkiewicz, Bill ,1958 ..<br />
> Sim, Dave ><br />
: el f Sime, S H [Sidney] {{a|25339}} (10) ,1867 ..<br />
>:19 Simmons, John {{a|157831}} dnf LC WorldCat () > Illustration http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=simmons_john ; d. 1876-11 ,1823 ..<br />
> Smith, Barry > = Windsor-Smith<br />
Steadman, Ralph .1936 ..<br />
>19 Stevens, Laurence > Finlay[dnf]<br />
Stout, William ,1949 .<br />
'''SURREALISM''' [GKW] by Gary K Wolfe<br />
3 +elsf Sweet, Darrell K {{a|1353}} (4) ,1934 ..<br />
> <s>Syme, Sidney Herbert > Illustration</s> --duplicates Sime<br />
Szilagyi, Steve ,1952 --indb only as novel ''Photographing Fairies''<br />
: +el f Tenniel, [Sir] John {{a|8424}} (171) ,1820 ..<br />
: +el f Thackeray, William Makepeace {{a|119470}} (484) -- chiefly as writer ,1811<br />
Thorne, Frank (3) ,1930 .<br />
Tiner, Ron = realname Tickner (author of "Fantasy Art", "Illustration") ,1940 .<br />
>.. Tourtel, Mary > Comics<br />
4 +ESlsf Vallejo, Boris {{a|1810}} (28) ,1941 ..<br />
>: el f Verbeek, Gustave [G.] {{a|185229}} (4) > Comics ,1867 ..<br />
--''Harper's'' debut likely v103 (missing at HDL); found in v104 Contents as Gustave Verbeek<br />
Vess, Charles ,1951 .<br />
>:19 Wain, Louis > Illustration '''--nidb<br />
0 +el f Wandrei, Howard {{a|1149}} (2) --chiefly as writer ,1909 <br />
>:19 Wenzell, Albert Beck > Illustration '''--nidb<br />
5 +elsf Whelan, Michael {{a|1804}} (17) ,1950 ..<br />
> White, Mel ><br />
White, Tim ,1952 .<br />
>: +DEl Wiese, Kurt {{a|122379}} (337) > Walter R Brooks ,1887 ..<br />
1 +el f Williams, Garth {{a|7320}} (139) ,1912 .<br />
6 el f Williams, Kent {{a|23090}} ,1962 ..<br />
Williamson, Al ,1931 .<br />
below Wilson, Gahan --chiefly as writer ,1930 .<br />
Windsor-Smith, Barry ,1949 ..<br />
Wood, Wallace ,1927 ..<br />
Woodroffe, Patrick ,1940 .<br />
Wrightson, Bernie ,1948 .<br />
: el f Wyeth, N C {{a|27249}} (127) ,1882 ..<br />
{{a|}} ()<br />
<br />
; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM]] (Dulac)<br />
<br />
== Author ==<br />
5.ew April Derleth {{a|24131}} --niLC niVIAF [1],1954 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/1237415] <br />
<br />
;return to this project July 2019<br />
;return again February 2023<br />
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.J. S. Goodall {{a|201678}} https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n79-055243<br />
.David Walsh, illus. --nidb --niLC https://www.worldcat.org/identities/viaf-283896982/<br />
<br />
:-els Sir (Saint) Thomas More {{a|1150}} (186)<br />
:-els John Oxenham (pseud.) {{a|119447}} (73)) = William Arthur Dunkerley<br />
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<br />
''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/fe/category/author Author entries: 1781] (1343 full; 438 cross-reference)<br />
: 59 pre-1800 all done 2017-12-03 (includes Grimm duo and a few redirects) but there must be others whom i don't recognize, yet to be tagged<br />
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2017-11-28 with User space cross-references to [[User:Pwendt/People]] (and subpages), [[User:Pwendt/Series]], [[User:Pwendt/FFM]]<br />
<br />
Not in SFE-Fantasy<br />
.el.. Karen Wynn Fonstad {{a|5941}} (7)<br />
#.el.. Mary Lamb {{a|190794}} (112) --co-author w husband Charles Lamb, below<br />
els. Peter Nicholls {{a|7937}} (10) --SFE co-author w John Clute <br />
eLLLs Robert Reginald {{a|1103}} (46) + Michael Burgess (28) + Boden Clarke (24) <br />
= Lucas Webb (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/n86030922 ''The attempted assassination of John F. Kennedy : a political fantasy'' --one-time pseud.<br />
= C. Everett Cooper (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/n86030923 ''Up your asteroid! : A science fiction farce'' --one-time pseud.<br />
:-els J. Jefferson Farjeon {{a|146846}} (47) <br />
. lw Joan Jefferson Farjeon {{a|78349}} (1) <br />
:-ECLLs. Josef Čapek, older brother {{a|228375}} (70) <br />
+ 6 collabs as Brothers Capek https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n88-092947<br />
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tags {{done}} --see the foot of the table <br />
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3 Aamodt, Donald<br />
..elsf Abbey, Lynn {{a|115}} (33)<br />
:-el f Abdullah, Achmed {{a|1689}} (45) <br />
2? Abé, Kobo<br />
:- '''À Beckett, Arthur William (1844), a younger son''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_William_%C3%A0_Beckett EN (family point of entry)]<br />
:- '''À Beckett, Gilbert Abbott (1811), father''' --nidb<br />
:- '''À Beckett, Gilbert Arthur (1837), eldest son''' --nidb<br />
6- ab Hugh, Dafydd<br />
4- Ackroyd, Peter<br />
4- Adair, Gilbert<br />
><s> Adams, Nicholas > </s> <br />
2- Adams, Richard<br />
3- Adams, Robert<br />
:-elsf Adeler, Max {{a|1690}} (21) = LC: Charles Heber Clark<br />
4- Adkins, Patrick H<br />
:-eLsf A.E. or Æ {{a|127}} (43) +George William Russell (30) = George William Russell<br />
4.. l e Agins, Phyllis Carol {{a|4709}} (2)[same 2]<br />
1- Aickman, Robert<br />
:-el f Aiken, Conrad {{a|1202}} (133)<br />
2..elsf Aiken, Joan {{a|582}} (140) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#The Wolves]]<br />
> lws Aiken, John > (son, brother)<br />
:-e Ainsworth, William Harrison<br />
> Ajvaz, Michal > > Czech Republic<br />
><s> Akers, Alan Burt > </s> Kenneth Bulmer<br />
><s> Aki, Tanuki > </s> Charles de Lint<br />
:-EJl f Akutagawa, Ryunosuke {{a|112179}} (129) <br />
:-ew f Alan, A J {{a|78929}} --niLC [12] = Leslie Harrison Lambert<br />
:-ESlsf Alarcón, Pedro A de {{a|2060}} (186)<br />
2- Aldiss, Brian W<br />
-el f Alexander, Lloyd {{a|691}} (78) [[User:Pwendt/People/Lloyd Alexander]]<br />
2- Alexander, Marc<br />
:- lsf Allen, F M, pseud. {{a|162102}} (11) = Edmund Downey<br />
:-elsf Allen, Grant {{a|1699}} (102) +0+0+0 <br />
4.. Allende, Isabel<br />
:-el Allingham, William (poems only indb) {{a|118550}} > Richard Doyle; Andrew Lang<br />
:. w f Allonby, Edith {{a|122926}} --niLC [4] <br />
''The Fulfilment'' (1905) 2011 Kindle ed., ASIN: B005HQ4Y86 [https://www.amazon.com/Fulfilment-Edith-Allonby-ebook/dp/B005HQ4Y86 at Amazon]<br />
> Alvarenga, Lucas José D' > > Brazil<br />
> Amadís de Gaula --work by Montalvo among others <br />
+ #-el f Montalvo, Garcí Rodríguez de {{a|169779}} (16)<br />
1- Amado, Jorge<br />
:-el f Amery, L S {{a|222063}} (41) <br />
1..elsf Ames, Mildred {{a|3187}} (13)<br />
2- Amis, Kingsley<br />
4- Amis, Martin<br />
:-el f Andersen, Hans Christian {{a|19348}} (1687)<br />
><s> Anderson, Dana > </s> Charles de Lint<br />
> Anderson, Karen > > Poul Anderson --editor, wife<br />
3.. l f Anderson, Margaret J {{a|6186}} (30) http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n80-022988<br />
2- Anderson, Poul<br />
:- lwsf Andom, R {{a|162349}} (1)[many] = Alfred Walter Barrett<br />
> Andrade, Mário de > > Brazil<br />
>#- '''Andreae, Johann''' > > Alchemy; Rosicrucianism<br />
1- Andrews, Allen<br />
2..el f Andrews, Virginia C (134),1923<br />
:-ERlsf Andreyev, Leonid {{a|237592}} (151) <br />
> Anmar, Frank > > Charles Beaumont; William F Nolan<br />
:-elsf Anstey, F {{a|1697}} (63)<br />
3- Anthony, Piers<br />
5- Antrim, Donald<br />
><s> Aparthur, C > > Kenneth Morris </s><br />
#-el f Apel, Johann August {{a|210857}} (15) <br />
:-el f Apollinaire, Guillaume {{a|2228}} (237)<br />
#-el f Apuleius {{a|2066}} (178)<br />
> Arbes, Jakub > > Czech Republic<br />
4- Arenas, Reinaldo<br />
#-el f Ariosto, Lodovico {{a|3843}} (200)<br />
#-el f Aristophanes {{a|254732}} (454) <br />
:-elsf Arlen, Michael {{a|112213}} (44)<br />
:-elsf Armstrong, Anthony {{a|15187}} (53) <br />
><s> Armstrong, Fytton > </s> John Gawsworth<br />
:-el f Armstrong, Martin {{a|14031}} (62) <br />
><s> Armstrong, T I F > </s> John Gawsworth<br />
4.. Arnason, Eleanor <br />
> Arnim, Achim von > > Folklore<br />
:-el f Arnold, [Sir] Edwin {{a|122246}} (107)<br />
:-elsf Arnold, Edwin Lester {{a|738}} (13)<br />
> Arnold, Mark Alan > > Midori Snyder; Terri Windling --editor<br />
?- Arscott, David --publications from 1984<br />
0- Arthur, Robert<br />
0.. l f Arthur, Ruth M {{a|221801}} (17) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Ruth M. Arthur]]<br />
><s> Arthur, Walshingham > </s> Kenneth Morris<br />
> Artmann, H C > > Austria<br />
5.. Ash, Constance<br />
-elsf Ashley, Mike {{a|1367}} (83) --Encyclopedia contributor<br />
?- Ashton, Charles --publications from 1991<br />
2- Asimov, Isaac<br />
4- Asprin, Robert Lynn<br />
:.el f Asquith, [Lady] Cynthia {{a|14887}} (47);1887 ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Asquith]]<br />
!:- Asturias, Miguel ,1899<br />
:- w f Atkey, Bertram {{a|20306}} --niLC [several WorldCat]<br />
5- Attanasio, A A <br />
5- Attebery, Brian<br />
3? Auel, Jean M --(Jean Marie) The Clan of the Cave Bear<br />
#.el f Aulnoy, Madame D' {{a|110753}} (71) <br />
#-el f Austin, William {{a|114964}} (9)<br />
-el f Avi {{a|6305}} (99)<br />
> Awlinson, Richard > > Scott Ciencin; James Lowder<br />
0- Aymé, Marcel<br />
2- Ayrton, Michael<br />
>: Azevedo, Alvares de > > Brazil<br />
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6.. Babbitt, Lucy Cullyford ,1960<br />
3..el f Babbitt, Natalie {{a|3435}} (31),1932<br />
Bach, Richard<br />
1.. lwf Bacon, Martha {{a|162093}} (1);1917 = Martha Oliver-Smith <br />
> Bailey, Hilary ><br />
5- Bailey, Robin Wayne<br />
:-el f Bain, F W {{a|95517}} (48)<br />
1- Baker, Denys Val<br />
0- Baker, Frank<br />
:- lwf Baker, George A {{a|95873}} (12)<br />
:- lwf Baker, G P {{a|221915}} (16) <br />
3- Baker, Michael<br />
4- Baker, Scott<br />
5- Baliol, Alexander<br />
4.. Ball, Margaret ,1947<br />
3- Ballard, J G<br />
#-elsf Balzac, Honoré de {{a|1596}} (785) <br />
> Banat, D R > Ray Bradbury<br />
:-elsf Bangs, John Kendrick {{a|4945}} (104) [[User:Pwendt/People/John Kendrick Bangs]]<br />
><s> Banks, Lynne Reid > </s><br />
4- Banville, John<br />
> Barclay, Bill ><br />
#-el f Barham, Richard Harris {{a|18315}} (24) (LC: Ingoldsby, Thomas, 1788-1845)<br />
:-elsf Baring, Maurice {{a|15654}} (116)<br />
:-el f Baring-Gould, S {{a|34421}} (171)<br />
5- Barker, Clive<br />
0- Barks, Carl<br />
> Barnes, Arthur K ><br />
> Barnett, H C ><br />
> Barnett, Lisa A ><br />
> Barnett, Paul ><br />
:-elsf Barr, Robert {{a|15670}} (2) = (pseud.) Luke Sharp<br />
> Barrett, Wilson ><br />
:-el f Barrie, [Sir] J M {{a|1967}} (392) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Barrie . Peter]]<br />
:-el f Barringer, Leslie {{a|2997}} (14)<br />
> Barrington, E ><br />
> Barrington, Michael ><br />
3- Barth, John<br />
3- Barthelme, Donald<br />
:-el f Baudelaire, Charles {{a|120635}} (433) <br />
5.. Baudino, Gael ,1955<br />
4- Bauer, Steven<br />
:-elsf Baum, L Frank {{a|162}} (391) --EN "no more links" ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Baum . Mo Yew]]<br />
3-elsf Beagle, Peter S {{a|1039}} (26)<br />
> Bean, Norman ><br />
5- Bear, Greg<br />
:-el f Beardsley, Aubrey {{a|25644}} (119) <br />
:. lwf Beauclerk, Helen {{a|132242}} (11) --wife of (EN.wiki) or lived with Edmund Dulac 1923--1953 (his death)<br />
2- Beaumont, Charles = later legalized name of Charles Leroy Nutt (1929-1967)<br />
> Beaumont, E T ><br />
><s> Beaumont, Marie Leprince de > </s><br />
:.el f Beck, L Adams {{a|4480}} (40) +7 Barrington +3 Moresby = Elizabeth Louisa Moresby<br />
0- Beckett, Samuel<br />
#-el f Beckford, William {{a|630}} (72)<br />
> Bécquer, Gustavo Adolfo ><br />
:-elsf Bedford-Jones, H {{a|2012}} (27)<br />
:-elsf Beerbohm, Max {{a|20194}} (146)<br />
:-elsf Begbie, Harold {{a|120103}} (89)<br />
:-el f Belasco, David {{a|132289}} (153)<br />
5.. Bell, Clare .1952<br />
6- Bell, Douglas<br />
:-elsf Bell, Neil {{a|94681}} (60) = Stephen Southwold<br />
3-el f Bellairs, John {{a|1495}} (42)<br />
5.. Belle, Pamela ,1952<br />
2- Bemmann, Hans<br />
:-elsf Benét, Stephen Vincent {{a|762}} (169)<br />
:-elsf Benét, William Rose {{a|25042}} (65)<br />
> Bennett, Anna Elizabeth ><br />
:-elsf Bennett, Arnold {{a|2461}} (336)<br />
> Bennett, John ><br />
:-elsf Benson, A C {{a|1665}} (113) = "B"<br />
:-elsf Benson, E F {{a|1666}} (188)<br />
:-elsf Benson, Robert Hugh {{a|1957}} (63)<br />
:.elsf Benson, Stella {{a|20397}} (32)<br />
5.. Berberick, Nancy Varian ,1951<br />
:.el f Beresford, Elisabeth {{a|93973}} (20)<br />
2- Berger, Thomas<br />
> Bernanos, Georges ><br />
2- Bernanos, Michel<br />
1- Bertram, Noel = Joseph Noel Thomas Boston<br />
:-elsf Besant, Sir Walter {{a|2037}} (218)<br />
6-elsf Betancourt, John Gregory {{a|183}} (23)<br />
3- Bethancourt, T Ernesto = Tomàs Ernesto Bethancourt Passailaigue<br />
> Bibiana, Jean Galli de ><br />
:-elsf Bierce, Ambrose {{a|1960}} (143)<br />
1- Bioy Casares, Adolfo<br />
0- Birkin, Charles<br />
4- Bishop, Michael<br />
4- Bisson, Terry<br />
2- Bixby, Jerome<br />
> Black, Robert ><br />
> Blacklin, Malcolm ><br />
:-elsf Blackwood, Algernon {{a|1126}} (76)<br />
> Blade, Alexander ><br />
#-el f Blake, William {{a|2071}} (570) <br />
1- Blamires, Harry<br />
2- Blatty, William Peter<br />
:.el f Blavatsky, [Madame] H P {{a|19737}} (118) <br />
5- Blaylock, James P<br />
:-elsf Blayre, Christopher (pseud.) {{a|118327}} (47) = Edward Heron-Allen<br />
-elsf Bleiler, E F {{a|307}} (33) <br />
-els Bleiler, Richard > [son] {{a|21219}} (12) <br />
2- Blish, James<br />
> Blishen, Edward ><br />
><s> Blixen, Karen > </s><br />
1- Bloch, Robert<br />
6.. Block, Francesca Lia ,1962<br />
> Bloggsleigh, Aubrey Tyndall ><br />
3- Bloom, Harold<br />
> Blyth, James ><br />
> Blyton, Enid ><br />
#-el f Boccaccio, Giovanni {{a|127910}} (464) <br />
5.. Bohnhoff, Maya Kaathryn ,1954<br />
#- '''Boiardo, Matteo Mario, Count of Scandiano''' > --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matteo_Maria_Boiardo EN]<br />
1- Bok, Hannes = Wayne Woodard<br />
> Bond, Michael ><br />
4.. Bond, Nancy ,1945<br />
0- Bond, Nelson S<br />
> Bonfiglioli, Kyril ><br />
3- Bontly, Thomas<br />
:-elsf Boothby, Guy {{a|20823}} (35)<br />
:-elsf Borges, Jorge Luis {{a|1125}} (460) <br />
> Boron, Robert de ><br />
:.el f Boston, Lucy M {{a|6495}} (40) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#L. M. Boston]]<br />
> Boston, Noel ><br />
> Botto, Ján ><br />
1- Boucher, Anthony = William Anthony Parker White<br />
:.eLLLf Bowen, Marjorie {{a|12578}} (107) +15 Preedy +14 Shearing <br />
= Robert Paye[--niLC]<br />
= George Preedy <br />
= Joseph Shearing <br />
= John Winch https://lccn.loc.gov/no97058533 (0)<br />
5- Bowkett, Stephen<br />
5. Boyer, Elizabeth H ,1952<br />
6- Boyett, Steven R<br />
> Bozic, Stretan ><br />
1..elsf Brackett, Leigh {{a|334}} (35);1915<br />
> Bradbury, Edward P ><br />
2- Bradbury, Ray<br />
:.el f Braddon, Mary E {{a|78925}} (221) <br />
5- Bradfield, Scott<br />
3..elsf Bradley, Marion Zimmer (116),1930<br />
5.. Bradshaw, Gillian ,1956<br />
:-elsf Bramah, Ernest {{a|377}} (33)<br />
> Brand, Max ><br />
> Brandner, Gary ><br />
3- Brautigan, Richard<br />
1- Brennan, Joseph Payne<br />
5- Brenner, Mayer Alan<br />
5- Brennert, Alan<br />
> Brentano, Clemens ><br />
> Brice, Martin H ><br />
:.el f Briggs, Katharine M {{a|109054}} (36) <br />
3- Briggs, Raymond<br />
> Briggs, Stephen ><br />
6.. Brite, Poppy Z ,1967<br />
4? Brittain, C Dale ,1948<br />
> Brod, Max ><br />
:.el f Brontë, Charlotte {{a|1698}} (334) <br />
4- Brooke, William J<br />
4- Brooks, Terry<br />
:-elsf Brooks, Walter R {{a|6256}} (73) <br />
2..elsf Brophy, Brigid (47),1929 <br />
> Brosnan, John ><br />
:.elsf Broster, D K {{a|20860}} (17) <br />
#-el f Brown, Charles Brockden {{a|109144}} (94) <br />
0- Brown, Fredric<br />
2- Brown, George Mackay<br />
1..el f Brown, Margaret Wise {{a|164720}} (247+);1910<br />
= as Juniper Sage, joint https://lccn.loc.gov/n79108845<br />
2..el f Brown, Mary {{a|1877}} (6 or 7)[13],1929 <br />
> Brown, Will ><br />
:-el f Browning, Robert {{a|4192}} (510)<br />
4..el f Broxon, Mildred Downey {{a|1553}} (3)[7],1944<br />
3- Brunner, John<br />
5- Brust, Steven<br />
> Bryan, Michael ><br />
4- Bryant, Edward<br />
:-elsf Buchan, John {{a|3627}} (208)<br />
:- '''Büchner, Georg --German dramatist mainly''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_B%C3%BCchner EN]<br />
#-el f Bulfinch, Thomas {{a|20326}} (76) <br />
:-elsf Bulgakov, Mikhail {{a|234949}} (180)<br />
5.. Bull, Emma ,1954<br />
:-el f Bullett, Gerald {{a|19971}} (78) = (pseud., non-genre?) Sebastian Fox<br />
2- Bulmer, Kenneth<br />
:-elsf Bulwer-Lytton, [Sir] Edward, First Baron Lytton {{a|2019}} (406)<br />
><s> Bulwer-Lytton, Robert > </s> = Edward Bulwer-Lytton<br />
4- Bunch, Chris<br />
#-el f Bunyan, John {{a|34400}} (189+) <br />
:.eLLsf Burdekin, Katherine {{a|3081}} (9) +4 Constantine<br />
= Murray Constantine (4)<br />
><s> Burdekin, Kay > </s><br />
3..el f Burford, Lolah (6),1931<br />
1- Burgess, Anthony = John Anthony Burgess Wilson<br />
:-el f Burgess, Gelett {{a|15655}} (70)<br />
:.el f Burnett, Frances Hodgson {{a|4178}} (330)<br />
> Burgess, Thornton W ><br />
5- Burns, Richard<br />
:-el f Burrage, A M {{a|6518}} (7)<br />
:-elsf Burroughs, Edgar Rice {{a|143}} (347)<br />
> Burroughs, Joseph B ><br />
1- Burroughs, William S<br />
> Burton, [Sir] Richard ><br />
4.. Bushyager, Linda E ,1947<br />
:.el f Butts, Mary {{a|82905}} (19) <br />
3..el f Byatt, A S (65),1936<br />
#-elsf Byron, Lord {{a|19966}} (607) <br />
:-elsf Cabell, James Branch {{a|341}} (123)<br />
2- Cabrera Infante, Guillermo<br />
> Cain, G ><br />
> Calado, Ivanir ><br />
2..elsf Caldecott, Moyra (16),1927 = pseud Oliva Brown <br />
> Calhoun, Mary ><br />
3- Callander, Don<br />
:-Nlw f Calthrop, Dion Clayton {{a|173606}} (38) <br />
2- Calvino, Italo<br />
1..elsf Cameron, Eleanor {{a|1508}} (26);1912<br />
> Cameron, John ><br />
> Campbell, Angus ><br />
4- Campbell, Ramsey<br />
> Cannell, Charles Henry ><br />
:-ECLLsf Čapek, Karel {{a|161}} (300) + 6 collabs as Brothers Capek https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n88-092947<br />
:-elsf Capes, Bernard {{a|2083}} (16) <br />
> Capitano, Il ><br />
> Capote, Truman ><br />
5-elsf Card, Orson Scott {{a|15}} (126)<br />
4- Carey, Peter<br />
4.. Carl, Lillian Stewart ,1949<br />
> Carlsen, Chris ><br />
#-el f Carlyle, Thomas {{a|113667}} (440) <br />
> Carpenter, Leonard ><br />
0- Carr, John Dickson<br />
3- Carr, Terry<br />
4- Carroll, Jonathan<br />
:-eLsf Carroll, Lewis {{a|3059}} (827) +Dodgson (25) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Carroll . Alice]]; [[User:Pwendt/People/Lewis Carroll]]<br />
> Carryl, Charles E ><br />
4..elsf Carter, Angela {{a|1172}} (56),1940 ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Angela Carter]]<br />
3-elsf Carter, Lin {{a|353}} (35) <br />
> Carter, Marilyn ><br />
> Case, Justin ><br />
1- Cave, Hugh B<br />
2-lwsf Cawthorn, James {{a|4126}} (3)<br />
#-el f Cazotte, Jacques {{a|4125}} (30) <br />
#-el f Cervantes, Miguel de Saavedra {{a|170356}} (1541) <br />
4- Chalker, Jack L<br />
3- Chambers, Aidan<br />
:-elsf Chambers, Robert W {{a|385}} (140) <br />
#-el f Chamisso, Adelbert von {{a|122107}} (103) <br />
4.. Chant, Joy ,1945<br />
:.el f Chapman, Vera {{a|1509}} (1) <br />
3..elsf Charnas, Suzy Mckee (14),1939<br />
[Charnas: EoF later removed, oocities restored; EoF restored 2023-0216<br />
5- Charrette, Robert N<br />
3- Charyn, Jerome<br />
> Chase, Mary ><br />
#-el f Chaucer, Geoffrey {{a|107557}} (603) <br />
1- Cheever, John<br />
4..elsf Cherryh, C J {{a|16}} (94),1942<br />
4- Chesbro, George C<br />
:-elsf Chesterton, G K {{a|2044}} (526)<br />
6.. Chetwin, Grace ,1964<br />
1-elsf Chetwynd-Hayes, R {{a|1694}} (7+1)<br />
> Chew, Ruth ><br />
4.. Chin, M Lucie ,1947<br />
:.el f Chopin, Kate {{a|19535}} (65) <br />
#-el f Chrétien de Troyes {{a|198209}} (152) <br />
2-elsf Christopher, John {{a|378}} (59) + pseudonyms = Sam Youd<br />
6- Ciencin, Scott<br />
><s> Clare, Helen > </s> = Pauline Clarke<br />
? Clark, Douglas W<br />
> Clarke, A V ><br />
3- Clarke, Lindsay ,1939<br />
.eLL f Clarke, Pauline {{a|16164}} (17+10+2),1921 = Helen Clare, etc<br />
?.? Clayton, Jo<br />
3- Clement, Aeron<br />
:.el f Clifford, Lucy Lane (Mrs. W. K.) {{a|24047}} (34) <br />
3- Cline, C Terry Jr.<br />
5.. Clough, B W ,1955 = Brenda Clough<br />
4-elsf Clute, John {{a|147}} (11)<br />
:.el f Coatsworth, Elizabeth {{a|76881}} (132)<br />
> Cobalt, Martin ><br />
:-el f Cobb, Irvin S {{a|17681}} (90) <br />
4.. Cochran, Molly ,1949<br />
:-EFl f Cocteau, Jean {{a|86397}} (407) <br />
4- Cole, Adrian ,1949<br />
4- Cole, Allan<br />
> Coleman, Clare ><br />
#-el f Coleridge, Samuel Taylor {{a|22140}} (448) <br />
:.el f Coleridge, Sara {{a|83813}} (21) <br />
-elsf Collier, John {{a|1160}} (30)<br />
5.. Collins, Nancy A ,1959<br />
:-el f Collins, Wilkie {{a|2034}} (297) <br />
:-el f Collodi, Carlo {{a|9486}} (294) <br />
3- Colombo, John Robert<br />
>:-el . Colum, Padraic {{a|122434}} (138) > ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Padraic Colum]]<br />
> Colvin, James ><br />
> Comfort, Montgomery ><br />
0..elsf Comyns, Barbara {{a|6584}} (13);1909<br />
4.. Conford, Ellen ,1942<br />
2- Connell, Evan E<br />
:-elsf Conrad, Joseph {{a|19447}} (584) <br />
4- Conrad, Peter<br />
><s> Constantine, Murray > </s><br />
5- Constantine, Storm<br />
:-el f Conway, Hugh {{a|142380}} (42) = Frederick John Fargus <br />
4- Cook, Glen<br />
5- Cook, Hugh<br />
4- Cook, Rick<br />
6.. Cooke, Catherine ,1963<br />
5.. Cooper, Louise ,1952<br />
3..elsf Cooper, Susan {{a|2436}} (47),1935<br />
3- Coover, Robert<br />
:-el f Coppard, A E {{a|1201}} (57) <br />
3- Corbett, W J<br />
:.elsf Corelli, Marie {{a|1966}} (112) <br />
3- Corlett, William<br />
:-el f Corley, Donald {{a|17493}} (5) <br />
2- Cormier, Robert<br />
5.. Corran, Mary ,1953<br />
1- Cortázar, Julio<br />
5- Costikyan, Greg<br />
3..elsf Coulson, Juanita (8),1933<br />
1..el f Counselman, Mary Elizabeth {{a|1215}} (1);1911<br />
5-elsf Coville, Bruce {{a|1453}} (94) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Magic Shop]]<br />
5- Cox, Greg<br />
> Cox, Palmer ><br />
4- Crace, Jim<br />
:.el f Craik, Mrs {{a|125079}} (186) = Miss Mulock, Dinah Maria Mulock Craik<br />
:-el f Cram, Ralph Adams {{a|17789}} (59) <br />
5.. Crawford, Betty Anne ,1952<br />
:-el f Crawford, F Marion {{a|3423}} (153)<br />
:-elsf Crawshay-Williams, Eliot {{a|186820}} (18) <br />
> Cray, Roberta ><br />
> Crayon, Geoffrey ><br />
#-el f Crébillon, Claude-Prosper Jolyot de {{a|225214}} (60) <br />
3..el f Cresswell, Helen {{a|3615}} (54),1934<br />
: lwsf Creswick, Paul {{a|204013}} (4)[many] <br />
> Crichton, Michael ><br />
>#-el Croker, Thomas Crofton > {{a|122486}} (41)<br />
> Crompton, Richmal ><br />
1-lwsf Cross, John Keir {{a|6602}} (15) <br />
> Crow, Levi ><br />
:-el f Crowley, Aleister {{a|6606}} (123) <br />
4- Crowley, John<br />
4- Crowther, Peter<br />
2- Cuddon, J A ,1928<br />
> Cuiscard, Henri ><br />
2- Cullen, Seamus = James Serwer<br />
: lsf Cummins, Harle Oren {{a|20329}} (1)[1 only] http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n2006-075346 <br />
> Cunningham, Allan ><br />
3..el f Curry, Jane Louise {{a|3266}} (38),1932 --Beneath the Hill sequence "set partly in Wales and partly in the USA, where a community of Welsh Elves has established a Wainscot existence"<br />
1-elsf Dahl, Roald {{a|508}} (155)<br />
4- Dalby, Richard<br />
5.. Dalkey, Kara ,1953<br />
4.. Dalton, Annie ,1948<br />
#- lwf Dalton, James {{a|148317}} (3) <br />
> Daly, Hamlin ><br />
> Dana, Rose ><br />
:.elsf Dane, Clemence {{a|19199}} (82) <br />
4- Dann, Colin<br />
4- Dann, Jack<br />
#-elsf Dante Alighieri {{a|137127}} (1211) <br />
?.. Darby, Lyndan --joint pseud. Ann Grimsley (? - ), Lynne Kinnerley (? - )<br />
> D'Arcy, Jack ><br />
:-el f Darlington, W A {{a|186990}} (22) <br />
> Darmancour, P ><br />
:-elsf Davey, Norman {{a|199699}} (25) <br />
2- Davidson, Avram<br />
1- Davies, Robertson<br />
4.. Davis, Grania ,1943<br />
:-el f Dawson, Coningsby W {{a|157528}} (44) <br />
> Dawson, William J ><br />
> Day, J Wentworth ><br />
5.. Dean, Pamela ,1953<br />
><s> de Beaumont, Marie Leprince > </s><br />
0..EFl f de Beauvoir, Simone {{a|4483}} (121);1908 <br />
5- de Bernieres, Louis<br />
0- de Camp, L Sprague<br />
4- DeChancie, John<br />
:- w f de Comeau, Alexander {{a|130947}} --niLC [3] --YoB unknown, first book publ 1927<br />
:-elsf Deeping, Warwick {{a|6702}} (140) <br />
#-elsf Defoe, Daniel {{a|1900}} (801) <br />
6- de Haan, Tom = pseud.<br />
4- de Haven, Tom<br />
5- Deitz, Tom<br />
><s> de La Fontaine, Jean > </s><br />
:-el f de La Mare, Walter {{a|11634}} (277)<br />
4- Delany, Samuel R<br />
3- de Larrabeiti, Michael<br />
5- de Lint, Charles<br />
:-el f de Maupassant, Guy {{a|1958}} (431) <br />
:-el f de Morgan, William {{a|187146}} (16) <br />
5- Denning, Troy<br />
5- Dennis, Ian<br />
0- Derleth, August W<br />
#-el f de Sade, Marquis {{a|109031}} (131) <br />
5- Dever, Joe<br />
4- Devereaux, Robert<br />
5.. Dexter, Susan ,1955<br />
4- Diamond, Graham<br />
4.. Dibell, Ansen ,1942 = pseud Nancy Ann Dibble<br />
1..elsf Dick, Kay {{a|145463}} (14+3);1915<br />
> Dick, R A ><br />
:-elsf Dickens, Charles {{a|1572}} (2196) <br />
2-elsf Dickinson, Peter {{a|1442}} (95)<br />
:-el f Dickinson, W Croft {{a|20183}} (11)[many] g<br />
> Dickson, Carter ><br />
2- Dickson, Gordon R<br />
> Dikty, Thaddeus E ><br />
:.eLLsf Dinesen, Isak (61) +37 KBlixen +1 Andrézel = {{a|Karen Blixen}}<br />
= Tania Blixen https://lccn.loc.gov/no95003726 (0)<br />
= Pierre Andrézel https://lccn.loc.gov/no95003714 (1)<br />
= Osceola https://lccn.loc.gov/n2011003005 (0)<br />
> Dionnet, Jean-Pierre ><br />
4- Disch, Thomas M<br />
4.. Diski, Jenny ,1947<br />
:-elsf Disraeli, Benjamin {{a|16821}} (161) <br />
3- Doctorow, E L<br />
> Domecq, H Bustos ><br />
4- Donaldson, Stephen R<br />
>: Donnelly, Ignatius > ANTHROPOLOGY https://lccn.loc.gov/n80005270 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_L._Donnelly EN]<br />
><s> Doolittle, Hilda > </s><br />
> Dorset, Ruth ><br />
4.. Douglas, Carole Nelson ,1944<br />
:-elsf Douglas, Norman {{a|19173}} (97) <br />
:. lwwf Douglas, Theo (2) = {{a|Henrietta D. Everett}}, Mrs. H. D. Everett<br />
= Julia Douglas https://lccn.loc.gov/nr95025284 (0)<br />
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-nr95-025284 (conflates) o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/81981668]<br />
:-elsf Doyle, [Sir] Arthur Conan {{a|1131}} (787)<br />
5..elsf Doyle, Debra {{a|470}} (20),1952 + joint pseudonyms<br />
><s>Drake, Burgess > </s> = H.B.<br />
4- Drake, David A<br />
:-elw f Drake, H B {{a|136904}} (13)[many] <br />
> Dreadstone, Carl ><br />
> Dreher, Sarah ><br />
3? Drew, Wayland ,1932<br />
: lw f Drummond, Hamilton {{a|126745}} (13)[many] <br />
><s> Dryasdust > </s><br />
5..elsf Duane, Diane E {{a|97}} (54),1952<br />
> Dufays, Baudelaire ><br />
:-elsf Dumas, Alexandre père {{a|2024}} (1260)<br />
0..elsf Du Maurier, Daphne {{a|864}} (156);1907 <br />
3- Duncan, Dave<br />
:. lwf Dunn, [Mrs] Gertrude {{a|226115}} (as 12)<br />
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-dunn,%20gertrude (retired identity)<br />
:.Dl f G. Colmore, who was Gertrude Colmore Dunn for a time, {{a|186701}} (as 12)<br />
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n84-021617 (combined identity, following LC?)<br />
> Dunne, J W ><br />
:-elsf Dunsany, Lord {{a|823}} (129)<br />
> Durrell, Gerald ><br />
:-elsf Dwyer, James Francis {{a|15651}} (13) <br />
:-ew f Dyalhis, Nictzin {{a|766}} --niLC [2] <br />
> Dyrenforth, James ><br />
5- Dziemianowicz, Stefan R<br />
1-el f Eager, Edward {{a|6033}} (37) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Tales of Magic / Eager]]<br />
4- Easton, M Coleman<br />
3- Eco, Umberto<br />
3- Eddings, David<br />
:-elsf Eddison, E R {{a|169}} (15)<br />
4.. Edgerton, Teresa ,1949<br />
>:.el f Edwards, Amelia B > Ghost Stories [post-Gothic, Dickens successor] {{a|16355}} (39) <br />
4.. Edwards, Claudia J ,1943<br />
5.. Egan, Doris ,1955<br />
><s> Egbert, Floyd C ></s> = KENNETH MORRIS<br />
4.. Eisenstein, Phyllis ,1946<br />
> Eldridge, Paul ><br />
0- Eliade, Mircea ;1907<br />
> Eliot, T S ><br />
3- Elkin, Stanley<br />
3..elsf Elliott, Janice (23),1931<br />
> Elliott, Kate ><br />
><s> Ellison, Harlan </s> --deleted from SFE-F in favor of SFE3<br />
> Emerson, Jane ><br />
4.. Emerson, Ru ,1944<br />
5- Emery, Clayton<br />
[Tales of Robin Hood (1988) "set in a Britain rooted in Magic, and features a Robin Hood intimate with those roots<br />
2..elsf Emshwiller, Carol {{a|1274}} (13),1921<br />
2-EDl f Ende, Michael {{a|1513}} (60)<br />
0- Endore, Guy<br />
:-el f Erckmann-Chatrian --joint pseud. {{a|6711}} (54)<br />
5- Erickson, Steve<br />
> Ericson, Eric ><br />
4.. Erskine, Barbara ,1944<br />
:-el f Erskine, John {{a|160721}} (136) --mentioned concerning Twain's Adam and Eve<br />
1- Eshbach, Lloyd Arthur<br />
> Estes, Eleanor ><br />
?.. Estes, Rose ,19xx<br />
4- Etchison, Dennis<br />
#-el f Euripides {{a|151942}} (798)<br />
><s> Everett, H D > Theo Douglas </s><br />
:-elsf Ewers, Hanns Heinz {{a|19730}} (46)<br />
> Ewing, Juliana H ><br />
> Ex-Private X ><br />
> Fabyan, Robert ><br />
0- Fagunwa, D O ;1900<br />
4.. Fakinou, Eugenia ,1945<br />
:.el f Falconer, Lanoe {{a|82945}} (6) = Mary Elizabeth Hawker<br />
:-el f Falkner, J Meade {{a|112729}} (21)<br />
:-el f Farjeon, B L {{a|186036}} (84) --father (father, grandfather)<br />
:.el f Farjeon, Eleanor {{a|112169}} (149) --daughter (sister, aunt)<br />
3..el f Farmer, Penelope {{a|5978}} (32),1939<br />
1- Farmer, Philip José<br />
5- Farrington, Geoffrey = Geoffrey Smith<br />
> Faulcon, Robert ><br />
4- Feist, Raymond E<br />
2- Felitta, Frank de<br />
> Fell, Andrew ><br />
#-el f Fénelon, François de Salignac de la Mothe {{a|215266}} (241) (La Mothe-Fénelon at ISFDB)<br />
> Fenn, Lionel ><br />
5- Fergusson, Bruce<br />
0- Fessier, Michael<br />
:-el f Field, Eugene {{a|16819}} (141) --Sr, senior<br />
> Field, Gans T ><br />
:.el f Field, Rachel {{a|168466}} (68)<br />
5- Findley, Nigel<br />
3- Findley, Timothy<br />
0- Finney, Charles G<br />
1- Finney, Jack = Walter Braden Finney<br />
:-el f Firbank, Ronald {{a|227015}} (41)<br />
><s> Firth, Violet M > </s><br />
> Fischer, Harry ><br />
> Fischer, Marjorie ><br />
6- Fisher, Paul R<br />
4.. Fisk, Pauline ,1948<br />
> Fiske, Tarleton ><br />
:-el f Fitzgerald, F Scott {{a|20115}} (247) <br />
:-el f Flaubert, Gustave {{a|2053}} (381) <br />
:-elsf Flecker, James Elroy {{a|19645}} (25)<br />
> Fleming, Ian ><br />
> Fletcher, George U ><br />
4- Flint, Kenneth C<br />
> Flynn, Casey ><br />
:-elsf Ford, Ford Madox {{a|70501}} (203) <br />
5- Ford, John M<br />
4- Ford, Richard<br />
:-elsf Forster, E M {{a|1969}} (203) <br />
:.eLL f Fortune, Dion {{a|5931}} (42) +7 Firth = Violet Mary Firth Evans<br />
4- Foster, Alan Dean<br />
#-el f Fouqué, Friedrich, Baron de la Motte {{a|16358}} (91) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Fouque]]<br />
5- Fowler, Christopher<br />
2- Fowles, John<br />
1- Fox, Gardner F<br />
:-elsf France, Anatole {{a|16830}} (422) <br />
3- Frank, Frederick S<br />
5.. Franklin, Cheryl J ,1955<br />
: lwsf Fraser, [Sir] Ronald {{a|102033}} (25) --niEN <br />
4- Frayling, Christopher<br />
3- Frayn, Michael<br />
:-el f Frazer, [Sir] James {{a|189007}} (116) = ISFDB: J. G. Frazer<br />
1- Frazer, Shamus = James Ian Arbuthnot Frazer<br />
:.el f Freeman, Mary E Wilkins {{a|2086}} (99) <br />
5- Friedman, Michael Jan<br />
5.. Friesner, Esther ,1951<br />
:-elsf Friswell, Hain {{a|179491}} (29)<br />
4- Frith, Nigel<br />
5- Frost, Gregory<br />
5- Frost, Mark<br />
1- Frye, Northrop<br />
3- Fryer, Donald S<br />
2- Fuentes, Carlos<br />
3- Fuller, John<br />
5.. Furey, Maggie ,1955<br />
3..el f Furlong, Monica (37),1930<br />
5? Gaarder, Jostein ,1952<br />
5.. Gabaldon, Diana ,1952<br />
6-elsf Gaiman, Neil {{a|410}} (179)<br />
> Gaines, William M ><br />
> Galland, Antoine ><br />
:- Gallico, Paul<br />
><s> Gallister, Michael > </s><br />
> Gallon, Tom ><br />
> Galt, John ><br />
:-eLsf Ganpat {{a|127698}} (16) +Ganpat (13) = Gompertz<br />
2- García Márquez, Gabriel<br />
4- Garcia Y Robertson, R<br />
1.. lwf Gard, Joyce {{a|109672}} (6);1911 = pseud Joyce Reeves<br />
4- Gardner, Craig Shaw<br />
3-elsf Gardner, John {{a|3087}} (61)<br />
2-el f Garfield, Leon {{a|5885}} (82)<br />
3-elsf Garner, Alan<br />
:. '''Garnett, Constance --translator mainly, daughter-in-law''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Garnett EN]<br />
:-elsf Garnett, David {{a|1629}} (73), grandson<br />
:-elsf Garnett, Edward {{a|146874}} (53), son<br />
:-elsf Garnett, Richard {{a|2039}} (95)<br />
> Garou, Louis P ><br />
2- Garrett, Randall<br />
> Gascoigne, Bamber ><br />
6- Gascoigne, Marc<br />
4..elsf Gaskell, Jane {{a|3845}} (15);1941<br />
> Gautier, Judith ><br />
:-el f Gautier, Théophile {{a|2028}} (302)<br />
1- Gawsworth, John = (Terence Ian) Fytton Armstrong<br />
5.. Geary, Patricia ,1951<br />
4.. Gedge, Pauline ,1945<br />
4- Gemmell, David A<br />
5.. Gentle, Mary ,1956<br />
#-el f Geoffrey of Monmouth {{a|110957}} (44) <br />
:-elsf Giesy, John Ulrich {{a|1908}} (7)<br />
:-el f Gilbert, William {{a|2035}} (6)<br />
:-el f Gilbert, [Sir] W S {{a|2036}} (597)<br />
3 Gilliland, Alexis A ,1931<br />
?.. Gilluly, Sheila ,19xx<br />
5.. Gilman, Greer Ilene ,1951<br />
> Gilmer, Ann ><br />
2- Godwin, Parke<br />
#-el f Godwin, William {{a|1983}} (139)<br />
#-el f Goethe, Johann W {{a|2065}} (2087) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Faust]]<br />
:-el f Gogol, Nikolai {{a|237483}} (543)<br />
1- Gold, Horace L<br />
:- Golding, Louis<br />
1-elsf Golding, [Sir] William {{a|785}} (51) <br />
3- Goldman, William<br />
5.. Goldstein, Lisa ,1953<br />
4- Goodkind, Terry<br />
> Gopaleen, Myles na ><br />
> Gordon, Frances ><br />
2- Gordon, John<br />
2- Gorey, Edward<br />
0..el f Goudge, Elizabeth {{a|5825}} (100),1900<br />
3- Goulart, Ron<br />
:-elsf Gourmont, Rémy de {{a|15620}} (118)<br />
#- '''Gozzi, Carlo''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Gozzi EN]<br />
5.. Grabien, Deborah ,1954<br />
:-elsf Grabiński, Stefan {{a|167301}} (8)<br />
:-el f Grahame, Kenneth {{a|2306}} (222) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Grahame . TWitW]]<br />
Grainville, Jean Cousin de ><br />
4- Grant, Charles L<br />
0..el f Grant, Joan {{a|146932}} (1);1907 = pseud (first marriage name) Joan Marshall Kelsey<br />
4-elsf Grant, John {{a|123992}} (23),1949 = Paul (le Page) Barnett<br />
5.. Grant, Kathryn ,1952 + historical romance under pseudonyms<br />
> Granville-Barker, Harley ><br />
2- Grass, Günter<br />
3- Gray, Alasdair<br />
1- Gray, Nicholas Stuart<br />
1-elsf Green, Roger Lancelyn {{a|10828}} (94), father of Richard L G<br />
4- Green, Roland J<br />
4.. Green, Sharon ,1942<br />
5- Green, Simon R<br />
4- Green, Terence M<br />
4- Greenberg, Martin H<br />
5- Greenland, Colin<br />
:-elwf Greenwood, James {{a|228546}} (3) (about 20, many as by "Greenwood, James")<br />
4.. Gregorian, Joyce Ballou ,1946<br />
:- lwf Griffiths, Alan {{a|188304}} LC "active 1934-39" (3) WorldCat (4)<br />
> Grile, Dod ><br />
#- Grimm Brothers<br />
= El f Grimm, Jacob {{a|19912}} (1065)<br />
= El f Grimm, Wilhelm {{a|9071}} (888)<br />
:.el f Grimshaw, Beatrice {{a|1668}} (30)<br />
2- Grimshaw, Nigel<br />
4- Grimwood, Ken<br />
:-el f Grin, Alexander {{a|70431}} (51)<br />
. 2..el f Gripe, Maria Kristina (38),1923 <br />
1- Grubb, Davis<br />
6- Grundy, Stephan<br />
> Guest, Lady Charlotte ><br />
:- Gunn, Neil M<br />
5- Gunnarsson, Thorarinn<br />
6.. Guon, Ellen ,1964<br />
3- Gygax, Gary<br />
:-elsf Haggard, [Sir] H Rider {{a|138}} (293)<br />
. 3..el f Hahn, Mary Downing (49),1937<br />
4- Haining, Peter<br />
:.elsf Haldane, Charlotte {{a|100265}} (34) <br />
3.. lw f Haldeman, Linda (3),1935<br />
> Hale, James ><br />
> Halam, Ann ><br />
: lwwsf Halidom, M Y {{a|1200052}} (0) +1 Dryasdust [many + 7] <br />
= Dryasdust https://lccn.loc.gov/n90713983 (1)<br />
> Hall, Frances ><br />
> Hall, Rodney ><br />
5.. Hambly, Barbara ,1951<br />
> Hamilton, Clive ><br />
> Hamilton, John ><br />
6.. Hamilton, Laurell K ,1963<br />
> Hammond, Keith ><br />
4- Hancock, Neil<br />
5.. Hand, Elizabeth ,1957<br />
> Hank in Maggs ><br />
> Harding, Ross ><br />
?- Harding, Simon<br />
4- Hardy, Lyndon<br />
:- '''Hargreaves, [Sir] Gerald''' --nidb --niEN.wiki<br />
6- Harman, Andrew<br />
5- Harpur, Patrick<br />
0..el f Harris, Christie {{a|148594}} (24);1907<br />
5.. Harris, Deborah Turner ,1951<br />
5.. Harris, Geraldine ,1951<br />
:-el f Harris, Joel Chandler {{a|19914}} (144)<br />
2- Harris, MacDonald = Donald William Heiney<br />
2..el f Harris, Rosemary {{a|16228}} (33),1923<br />
2- Harris, Wilson<br />
> Harrison, Jane E ><br />
0- Harrison, Michael = Maurice Desmond Rohan<br />
4- Harrison, M John<br />
:-elsf Hartley, L P {{a|548}} (45)<br />
4- Hartwell, David G<br />
:-el f Harvey, William F {{a|16268}} (8)[many]<br />
4- Hasford, Gustav<br />
:-el f Hauff, Wilhelm {{a|2025}} (153)<br />
:-elsf Hauptmann, Gerhart {{a|113675}} (248) <br />
> Haviland, Virginia ><br />
> Havlasa, Jan ><br />
5- Hawke, Simon<br />
><s> Hawkwood, Allan > </s><br />
> Hawthorne, Hildegarde ><br />
:-elsf Hawthorne, Julian {{a|17790}} (108) --son of Nathaniel Hawthorne <br />
:-elsf Hawthorne, Nathaniel {{a|1959}} (751)<br />
> Hay, Timothy ><br />
4- Hazel, Paul<br />
:.el f H.D. = {{a|Delia Alton}} = Hilda Doolittle (94) <br />
:-elsf Heard, Gerald {{a|1946}} (66)<br />
> Heard, H F ><br />
:-EJl f Hearn, Lafcadio {{a|19738}} (281)<br />
:-elsf Hecht, Ben {{a|19733}} (100)<br />
> Heide, Florence Parry ><br />
0- Heinlein, Robert A<br />
4- Helprin, Mark<br />
3- Henighan, Tom<br />
> Henry, Alan ><br />
4- Herbert, James<br />
5.. Herbert, Mary H ,1957<br />
> Herman, William ><br />
:. Heron, E & H --joint pseud. mother-and-son<br />
= :.*l f K(ate) Prichard (1851), mother {{a|120100}} (11) = Kate O'Brien (Ryall) Hesketh[-]Prichard --niEN (link EN: Hesketh Prichard) <br />
= :-el f Hesketh Prichard {{a|120099}} (27) under Prichard, not H-P = Hesketh Hesketh-Prichard (0)<br />
> Heron-Allen, Edward ><br />
> Herzmanovsky-Orlando, Fritz von ><br />
:-elsf Hesse, Hermann {{a|11094}} (395) <br />
4.. Heydron, Vicki Ann ,1945<br />
:-elsf Hichens, Robert {{a|30943}} (112)<br />
5.. Hickman, Tracy ,1955<br />
5.. Hilgartner, Beth ,1957<br />
4.. Hill, Susan ,1942<br />
> Hilman, F Mchugh ><br />
0- Hilton, James<br />
4- Hjortsberg, William<br />
2- Hoban, Russell<br />
><s> Hobb, Robin > </s><br />
0- Hobson, [Sir] Harold<br />
5.. Hodgell, P C ,1951<br />
:-elsf Hodgson, William Hope {{a|163}} (24)<br />
5.. Hoffman, Nina Kiriki ,1955<br />
#-elsf Hoffmann, E T A {{a|19492}} (374)<br />
:-el f Hofmannsthal, Hugo von {{a|96125}} (343)<br />
#-el f Hogg, James {{a|76629}} (100) <br />
4- Holdstock, Robert P<br />
:-elsf Holland, Clive {{a|190884}} (35) = Charles James Hankinson https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n90-637192 <br />
:. '''Holme, Constance''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Holme EN]<br />
6- Holt, Tom<br />
#-elsf Homer {{a|20200}} (1198)<br />
> Homunculus [2] ><br />
4- Horwood, William<br />
:-elsf Houghton, Claude {{a|181546}} (42) <br />
0- Household, Geoffrey<br />
:.el f Housman, Clemence {{a|7108}} (5)<br />
:-elsf Housman, Laurence {{a|111581}} (177) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Laurence Housman]]<br />
2..el f Howard, Elizabeth Jane (26),1923<br />
0-elsf Howard, Robert E {{a|822}} (112), born 1906<br />
4- Howe, James<br />
:-elsf Howells, William Dean {{a|11227}} (391)<br />
> Howlett, Winston A ><br />
1- Hubbard, L Ron<br />
:-elsf Hudson, W H {{a|7219}} (202)<br />
5.. Huff, Tanya ,1957<br />
3- Hughart, Barry<br />
4- Hughes, Robert Don<br />
-elsf Hughes, Ted {{a|1742}} (164)<br />
> Hugo, Victor > <br />
> Hull, E Mayne ><br />
:-elsf Hume, Fergus {{a|129099}} (59)<br />
> Huneker, James ><br />
> Hunt, Gill ><br />
4- Hunt, Peter<br />
:.el f Hunt, Violet {{a|19959}} (20) --daughter of Brothers Grimm translator, ''Grimm's Household Tales'' (2 vols., 1880)<br />
2..el f Hunter, Mollie {{a|5600}} (37),1922<br />
> Huxley, Aldous ><br />
:-el f Huysmans, Joris-Karl {{a|5598}} (121)<br />
4.. Ingalls, Rachel ,1940<br />
:.el f Ingelow, Jean {{a|73761}} (71)<br />
><s> Ingoldsby, Thomas > </s> (Barham)<br />
1- Ionesco, Eugène<br />
1..el f Ipcar, Dahlov {{a|3563}} (50);1917<br />
#-elsf Irving, Washington {{a|1971}} (968)<br />
:.el f Irwin, Margaret {{a|13651}} (many) (many as by "Irwin, Margaret" undifferentiated)<br />
4- Irwin, Robert<br />
1- Irwin, W R ;1915<br />
2- Jackman, Stuart<br />
:-el f Jacks, L P {{a|147064}} (68) <br />
?.. l f Jackson, Rosemary {{a|148266}} (4),19xx<br />
1..elsf Jackson, Shirley {{a|694}} (64);1919<br />
5- Jackson, Steve<br />
5- Jackson, Steve [2]<br />
>:-el . Jacobs, Joseph > Folklore; Folktales. ; {{a|17634}} (129) section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Joseph Jacobs]]<br />
3- Jacques, Brian<br />
3- Jakes, John W<br />
> James, Dynely ><br />
:-elsf James, Henry {{a|1692}} (841) <br />
2- James, John<br />
:-el f James, M R {{a|5578}} (130) <br />
> James, Philip ><br />
1..el f Jansson, Tove {{a|2148}} (91);1914<br />
> Jaroš, Peter ><br />
6-el f Jarvis, Robin {{a|1663}} (9)<br />
4- Jefferies, Mike<br />
:-elsf Jefferies, Richard {{a|17684}} (86)<br />
: w f Jenks, Almet {{a|230396}} --niLC [2, one work only]<br />
> Jenks, Jacquetta ><br />
:-elsf Jepson, Edgar {{a|63971}} (33)<br />
:-el f Jerome, Jerome K {{a|14339}} (116)<br />
> Johns, Jacob ><br />
4- Johnson, Charles<br />
> Johnson, Richard ><br />
?- w f Johnston, Gunnar {{a|230441}} --niLC [5] <br />
:.elsf Johnston, Mary {{a|153903}} (51) <br />
1- Jones, Chuck<br />
3..elsf Jones, Diana Wynne {{a|593}} (81),1934 ; sister elw Ursula Jones {{a|176846}} (8) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Chrestomanci]]<br />
5.. Jones, Gwyneth ,1952<br />
5.. Jones, Jenny ,1954<br />
6.. Jones, J V ,1963<br />
5- Jones, Stephen<br />
4- Jones, Terry<br />
> Jonson, Ben ><br />
4- Jordan, Robert = James Oliver Rigney Jr<br />
5- Joshi, S T ,1958<br />
5- Joyce, Graham<br />
:-el f Joyce, James {{a|113840}} (502) <br />
-el f Juster, Norton {{a|5534}} (25)<br />
> Kadare, Ismail ><br />
:-elsf Kafka, Franz {{a|15578}} (355) <br />
3- Kangilaski, Jaan<br />
4.. Karr, Phyllis Ann ,1944<br />
:-el f Kästner, Erich {{a|186176}} (176) <br />
4.. Katz, Welwyn ,1948<br />
0..elsf Kavan, Anna {{a|1372}} (42);1901 = "took the name AK by deed-poll"<br />
4.. Kaveney, Roz ,1949<br />
5- Kay, Guy Gavriel<br />
3- Kaye, Marvin<br />
:-el f Kazantzakis, Nikos {{a|239493}} (128)<br />
6- Kearney, Paul<br />
#-el f Keats, John {{a|22268}} (296) <br />
#-el f Keightley, Thomas {{a|7869}} (54) ><br />
3- Kelleher, Victor<br />
:-elsf Keller, David H {{a|1124}} (18)<br />
> Kelley, Thomas P ><br />
1..el f Kendall, Carol {{a|3091}} (15);1917<br />
> Kendall, Gordon ><br />
> Kendall, May ><br />
><s> Kennealy, Patricia > </s><br />
4.. Kennealy-Morrison, Patricia ,1946<br />
-el f Kennedy, Richard {{a|5506}} (21) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Richard Kennedy]]<br />
> Kent, Kelvin ><br />
0.. lwf Kerby, Susan Alice pseud {{a|122630}} (17)[many];1908<br />
= pseud (Alice) Elizabeth Burton --libraries conflate with other Elizabeth Burtons<br />
3..el f Kernaghan, Eileen (8),1939<br />
4.. Kerr, Katharine ,1944<br />
:. lsf Kerruish, Jessie Douglas {{a|6706}} (6) <br />
1- Kersh, Gerald<br />
> Kesteven, Ambrosius ><br />
> <s>Key, Samuel M > </s> = Uel<br />
:-e f Key, Uel {{a|122690}} --niLC [4] WorldCat: [http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-key,%20uel/ Uel] [http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-key,%20samuel%20whittell/ Samuel] [http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3AKey%2C+Samuel+Whittell%2C&qt=hot_author search au:Key, Samuel Whittel]<br />
><s> Keyne, Gordon > </s><br />
4- Kilworth, Garry<br />
4- King, Bernard<br />
> King, Clive ><br />
:.el f King, Jessie M {{a|193096}} (7) --illustrator mainly<br />
4-elsf King, Stephen {{a|70}} (258) + (15)<br />
5- King, Tappan<br />
:-el f Kingsley, Charles {{a|2029}} (273)<br />
> Kingsley, Henry ><br />
> Kingsley, Mary ><br />
2- King-Smith, Dick<br />
3-elsf Kinsella, W P {{a|5484}} (43) --baseball <br />
:-elsf Kipling, Rudyard {{a|1961}} (1908) [[User:Pwendt/People/Rudyard Kipling]]<br />
5.. Kirchoff, Mary L ,1959<br />
1- Kirkup, James<br />
5.. Kirstein, Rosemary ,1953<br />
4- Klein, T E D ,1947<br />
6- Knaak, Richard A<br />
:-el f Knatchbull-Hugessen, E H {{a|168789}} (9)[many] = Lord Brabourne <br />
> Knickerbocker, Diedrich ><br />
:-el f Knight, Eric {{a|16531}} (40+4) <br />
> Knowles, Rupert ><br />
:-el f Knowles, Vernon {{a|127139}} (3)[many]<br />
> Kolár, Josef Jiří ><br />
:- '''Kondratiev, Alexander''' --nidb --niEN.wiki<br />
4- Koontz, Dean R<br />
> Kossak-Szcczucka, Zofia ><br />
3- Koster, R M ,1934<br />
3- Kotzwinkle, William<br />
> Kramerius, Václav Rodomil ><br />
> Krasiński, Zygmunt ><br />
5- Krensky, Stephen<br />
4.. Kress, Nancy ,1948<br />
6- Kubasik, Christopher<br />
> Kubin, Alfred ><br />
:- lwf Kummer, Frederic Arnold {{a|115484}} (59) <br />
2- Kundera, Milan<br />
3- Kurland, Michael<br />
4.. Kurtz, Katherine ,1944<br />
5.. Kushner, Ellen ,1955<br />
1-eLLsf Kuttner, Henry {{a|452}} (27) +8 Lewis Padgett, joint pseud.<br />
5.. Lackey, Mercedes ,1950<br />
4- LaFarge, Tom<br />
1- Lafferty, R A ;1914<br />
>17 La Fontaine, Jean de > Fable; Charles Perrault.<br />
:-el f Laforgue, Jules {{a|124491}} (55) <br />
:.el f Lagerlöf, Selma {{a|5440}} (183) <br />
:-el f Lagerkvist, Pär {{a|167237}} (79)<br />
><s> Lainez, Manuel Mujica > </s><br />
> Lamark, Drew ><br />
#-el f Lamb, Charles {{a|189484}} (325) ; el-- Mary Lamb {{a|190794}} (112)<br />
:-elsf Lamb, Harold {{a|19453}} (62) <br />
> Lambert, S H ><br />
:-elsf Lambourne, John {{a|160703}} (23) <br />
4.. Lance, Kathryn ,1943<br />
4- Lancour, Gene = Gene Lancour Fisher<br />
0- Landolfi, Tommaso<br />
:-elsf Lang, Andrew {{a|6880}} (474) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Andrew Lang]]<br />
5-elsf Langford, David {{a|752}} (10+1) --SFE3 co-editor<br />
= William Robert Loosley https://lccn.loc.gov/n88653112 (1)[1] https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n88-653112<br />
1- Langley, Noel ;1911<br />
> Langran, Maurice ><br />
> Langton, Jane ><br />
> Lanyard, Fortescue ><br />
4- La Plante, Richard<br />
5.. Larsen, Jeanne ,1950<br />
5- Larson, Randall D<br />
5- Lasdun, James<br />
4.. Laubenthal, Sanders Anne ,1943<br />
3- Launay, André ,1930<br />
> Launay, Droo ><br />
> Laurance, Andrew ><br />
:-EFl f Lautréamont, Comte de {{a|16833}} (42) = Isidore Lucien Ducasse<br />
5- Lawhead, Stephen R<br />
4.. Lawrence, Ann ,1942<br />
:-el f Lawrence, D H {{a|11632}} (558) <br />
4..elsf Lawrence, Louise {{a|1649}} (18),1943 = Elizabeth Holden<br />
:.elsf Lawrence, Margery {{a|15077}} (16) VIAF 126258545 [https://viaf.org/viaf/79287229/#Lawrence,_Margery,_1896-1969 VIAF 79287229]<br />
> Laws, Stephen ><br />
:-el f Lawson, Robert --illustrator mainly {{a|13904}} (81) <br />
:-el f Lear, Edward {{a|22266}} (243) <br />
4- Le Clézio, J-M G ,1940<br />
3- Lee, John<br />
2- Lee, Stan<br />
4..elsf Lee, Tanith {{a|105}} (71),1947<br />
:.el f Lee, Vernon, pseud. {{a|1965}} (79) = Violet Paget --half-sister<br />
> Leech, Ben ><br />
:-el f Lee-Hamilton, Eugene {{a|22265}} (5) --half-brother<br />
:-el f Le Fanu, J Sheridan {{a|1962}} (84) <br />
2..elsf Le Guin, Ursula K {{a|37}} (151),1929 ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Ursula K. Le Guin]]<br />
1-e s Leiber, Fritz {{a|38}} (67);1910<br />
1987 Tor double Echoes of valor https://lccn.loc.gov/98809481<br />
1990 Tor double The Fair https://lccn.loc.gov/98818853<br />
:-el f Leland, Charles Godfrey {{a|120572}} (186)<br />
> Lelland, Frank ><br />
1..elsf L'Engle, Madeleine {{a|2923}} (32);1918<br />
#.el f Leprince de Beaumont, Madame Jeanne-Marie {{a|208738}} (59)<br />
3.. lwsf Lerman, Rhoda (12),1936<br />
1- '''Lerner, Alan Jay''' ;1918 = Lerner & Loewe --nidb<br />
:-EDl f Lernet-Holenia, Alexander {{a|100741}} (62)<br />
:-elsf Leroux, Gaston {{a|5395}} (165) <br />
> Lešehrad, Emanuel ><br />
:. lwf Leslie, Josephine {{a|115491}} (5) [many] = R. A. Dick <br />
> Level, Maurice ><br />
2.. lw f Levin, Betty (26),1927<br />
2- Levin, Ira<br />
#-el f Levshin, Vasily {{a|186479}} (12) <br />
:-elsf Lewis, C S {{a|301}} (394)<br />
:.el f Lewis, Hilda {{a|115885}} (38) <br />
#-el f Lewis, Matthew Gregory {{a|631}} (115) <br />
:-elsf Lewis, Wyndham {{a|49201}} (139)<br />
> Leyton, E K ><br />
5- Ligotti, Thomas<br />
0..el f Lindgren, Astrid {{a|29517}} (182);1907<br />
5.. Lindholm, Megan ,1952 = Robin Hobb pseud.<br />
:-elsf Lindsay, David {{a|166}} (15)<br />
:-el f Lindsay, Norman {{a|30344}} (65)<br />
:-elsf Linklater, Eric {{a|13496}} (129) <br />
2- Lins, Osman<br />
:.el f Linton, Lynn {{a|82749}} (46) <br />
6.. Lisle, Holly ,1960<br />
4.. Lisle, Janet Taylor ,1947<br />
6- Little, Bentley<br />
3..el f Lively, Penelope {{a|5368}} (70),1933<br />
:. lwf Livingston, Marjorie {{a|233026}} (5) [14] <br />
4- Livingstone, Ian<br />
2- Lloyd, A R ,1927<br />
> Lloyd, Charles ><br />
3..el f Llywelyn, Morgan (42+),1937<br />
:-elsf Lofting, Hugh {{a|5360}} (89) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Doctor Dolittle]]<br />
0..el f Lofts, Norah {{a|9021}} (130+2);1904 + 2[2 titles only] as Juliet Astley<br />
= (0)[1] Peter Curtis https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n2013-028275<br />
6.. Logston, Anne ,1962<br />
:-elsf London, Jack {{a|1975}} (588) <br />
0- Long, Frank Belknap<br />
> Long, John Luther ><br />
> Lord, Jeffrey ><br />
4.. Lorrah, Jean ,1940<br />
> Lorrain, Jean ><br />
> Loti, Pierre ><br />
:-EFl f Louÿs, Pierre {{a|15210}} (132) <br />
:-elsf Lovecraft, H P {{a|165}} (126) <br />
> Lovehill, C B ><br />
6- Lowder, James<br />
3- Luard, Nicholas<br />
#-elsf Lucian {{a|115737}} (209) <br />
5- Lukeman, Tim<br />
3- Lumley, Brian<br />
> Lundwall, Sam J ><br />
><s> Lustbader, Eric > </s><br />
> Lyndell, Catherine ><br />
> Lynes, Russell ><br />
><s> Lynn, Eliza > </s> = Lynn Linton<br />
4.. Lynn, Elizabeth A ,1946<br />
><s> Lytton, Lord > </s> = Edward Bulwer-Lytton<br />
---- ---- 2019-12-30 above this line, first column is 1900s birth decade (> redirect, ? 19??, ! earlier) ---- ----<br />
> MacAuley, Charles Raymond ><br />
4..elsf Macavoy, R A {{a|390}} (8),1949<br />
2- McBain, Ed = Evan Hunter, born S A Lombino<br />
2..elsf McCaffrey, Anne {{a|176}} (138),1926<br />
> McCarthy, Cormac ><br />
><s> McCarthy, Justin > </s><br />
:-el f McCarthy, Justin Huntly {{a|115704}} (89)<br />
5- McCarty, Dennis<br />
5..el f McCaughrean, Geraldine {{a|8291}} (72),1951<br />
> McCaughren, Tom ><br />
:-elsf McCay, Winsor {{a|110372}} (55)<br />
3- McCormack, Eric P<br />
?.. McCrumb, Sharyn<br />
:-elsf MacDonald, George {{a|139}} (364) [[User:Pwendt/People/George Macdonald]]<br />
><s> MacDonald, Golden > </s><br />
> Macdonald, James D ><br />
3- McEvilley, Thomas<br />
> MacEwen, Gwendolyn ><br />
> MacFall, Haldane ><br />
> Macfarlane, Stephen ><br />
6- McGirt, Dan<br />
2- McGowen, Tom<br />
> McHargue, Georgess ><br />
:-elsf Machen, Arthur {{a|135}} (90) <br />
:-el f McKenna, Stephen {{a|115867}} (82)<br />
> Mackey, Mary ><br />
3- McKiernan, Dennis L<br />
4..elsf McKillip, Patricia A {{a|1022}} (33),1948<br />
5..elsf McKinley, Robin {{a|2369}} (32),1952<br />
:-el f MacLeish, Archibald {{a|16253}} (308) <br />
2- MacLeish, Roderick<br />
:-eLL f MacLeod, Fiona, pseud. {{a|110109}} = William Sharp (61+42)<br />
> McNutt, Charles ><br />
> Macpherson, James ><br />
:-EFlsf Maeterlinck, Maurice {{a|192075}} (339)<br />
3..el f Mahy, Margaret {{a|2316}} (121),1936<br />
2- Mailer, Norman<br />
> Majors, Simon ><br />
> Malet, Lucas ><br />
> Mallarmé, Stéphane ><br />
#-el f Malory, [Sir] Thomas {{a|31657}} (168) <br />
> Malvern, Jefferson D ><br />
#-el f Mandeville, [Sir] John {{a|187161}} (63) <br />
4- Manguel, Alberto<br />
2- Mankowitz, Wolf<br />
><s> Mann, Jack > </s> = E C Vivian<br />
:-el f Mann, Thomas {{a|13692}} (539) <br />
> Manning-Sanders, Ruth > Raymond Briggs; Robin Jacques<br />
> Mara, Bernard ><br />
> Margroff, Robert ><br />
> Marie de France ><br />
> Marl, David J ><br />
4- Marley, Stephen<br />
#-el f Marlowe, Christopher {{a|82613}} (219) <br />
:-el f Marquis, Don {{a|16332}} (63)<br />
#-el f Marryat, Frederick {{a|81561}} (221)<br />
> Marsh, Geoffrey ><br />
> Marshall, Alan ><br />
> Martens, Paul ><br />
4- Martin, George R R<br />
3- Martin, Graham Dunstan<br />
> Martin, John [2] ><br />
:-elsf Martin, J P {{a|90281}} (4) <br />
4.. Martin, Valerie ,1948<br />
?.. Martine-Barnes, Adrienne<br />
:-el f Masefield, John {{a|5274}} (352) <br />
- Matheson, Chris ,1958<br />
2- Matheson, Richard<br />
5- Matheson, Richard Christian<br />
:-Flsf Matson, Norman {{a|83517}} (11)[many] https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no93-020499<br />
#-elsf Maturin, Charles R {{a|1595}} (35) <br />
:-el f Maugham, W Somerset {{a|5267}} (529) <br />
><s> Maupassant, Guy de > </s><br />
3..elsf May, Julian {{a|291}} (183),1931 + several pseudonyms <br />
2- Mayne, William<br />
> Meagher, Maude ><br />
6.. Meier, Shirley ,1960<br />
:-elsf Melville, Herman {{a|2032}} (581) <br />
> Meredith, Owen ><br />
:-elsf Merritt, A {{a|613}} (32) <br />
2- Merwin, W S ,1927<br />
:-elsf Meyrink, Gustav {{a|5218}} (58) <br />
> Mickiewicz, Adam ><br />
5? Middleton, Haydn ,1955<br />
> Middleton, Martin ><br />
:-el f Middleton, Richard {{a|2041}} (9)[many]<br />
> Miffkin, Patton H ><br />
5- Milán, Victor<br />
> Miles Gloriosus ><br />
4- Miller, Ian<br />
4- Millhauser, Steven<br />
:-el f Milne, A A {{a|5194}} (572) <br />
#-el f Milton, John {{a|92197}} (800) <br />
> Mirbeau, Octave ><br />
:.el f Mirrlees, Hope {{a|7214}} (8)<br />
:.elsf Mitchison, Naomi {{a|1735}} (107) <br />
4- Modesitt, L E Jr ,1943<br />
:.el f Molesworth, Mary {{a|124751}} (65) (Mrs. Molesworth) > Children's Fantasy. etc<br />
> Molière ><br />
> Molin, Charles ><br />
> Molyneux, Bingham T ><br />
> Momaday, N Scott ><br />
> Mompesson, Sergius ><br />
4- Monaco, Richard<br />
4- Monteleone, Thomas F<br />
4.. Moon, Elizabeth ,1945<br />
elsf Moorcock, Michael {{a|140}} (131 as MM)<br />
5- Moore, Alan<br />
2- Moore, Brian<br />
1..eLLsf Moore, C L {{a|453}} (12);1911 +8 Lewis Padgett, joint pseud.<br />
4- Morgan, Chris ,1946<br />
:-elsf Morley, Christopher {{a|5153}} (219) <br />
3- Morressy, John<br />
4.. Morris, Janet E ,1946<br />
2.. Morris, Jean ,1924<br />
:-el f Morris, Kenneth {{a|2846}} (10)<br />
:-elsf Morris, William {{a|305}} (344)<br />
4- Morrow, James<br />
> Mortimer, Evan Gregson ><br />
> Morton, Anthony ><br />
> Morus, Cenydd ><br />
5- Morwood, Peter = Robert Peter Smith<br />
1- Mujica Lainez, Manuel<br />
2- Mulisch, Harry<br />
:-elsf Mundy, Talbot {{a|2118}} (47) = Gribbon, William Lancaster<br />
0- Munn, H Warner<br />
> Murphy, Dennis Jasper ><br />
> Murphy, Jill ><br />
5.. Murphy, Pat ,1955<br />
2.. Murphy, Shirley Rousseau ,1928<br />
> Murphy, Warren B<br />
> Murray, Frieda A ><br />
> Murray, Margaret ><br />
#-el f Musäus, Johann Karl {{a|179989}} (23) <br />
5- Myers, Edward<br />
0- Myers, John Myers<br />
:-ERlsf Nabokov, Vladimir {{a|15974}} (235)<br />
> Nadir, A A ><br />
:-elsf Nathan, Robert {{a|2342}} (88) <br />
> Neiderman, Andrew ><br />
:-el f Nerval, Gérard de {{a|76941}} (167)<br />
:.elsf Nesbit, E {{a|5098}} (140) ; daughter '''Rosamund E. Nesbit Bland''' (2) --nidb [[User:Pwendt/People/E. Nesbit]]<br />
:-el f Newbolt, [Sir] Henry {{a|112892}} (61)<br />
2- Newlove, Donald<br />
5- Newman, Kim ,1959<br />
0- Newman, Robert<br />
4.. Newman, Sharan ,1949<br />
:-elsf Nichols, Beverley {{a|10051}} (120) = John B N<br />
:-elsf Nichols, Robert {{a|131770}} (30)<br />
4.. Nichols, Ruth ,1948<br />
:-elsf Nicholson, Joseph Shield {{a|131772}} (23)<br />
5- Niles, Douglas<br />
4..el f Nimmo, Jenny {{a|5089}} (27),1944<br />
:-elsf Nisbet, Hume {{a|19897}} (2)<br />
3- Niven, Larry<br />
#-elsf Nodier, Charles {{a|16549}} (113)<br />
2- Nolan, William F<br />
6- Norfolk, Lawrence<br />
> Norman, Jay ><br />
3- Norman, John = John Frederick Lange Jr<br />
><s> North, Andrew > </s><br />
1..elsf Norton, Andre {{a|209}} (212+);1912<br />
= Andrew North (pseud.) (1) ''Voodoo Planet'' and ''Plague Ship''<br />
= Alice Mary Norton (birth name) https://lccn.loc.gov/n88063436 (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/51013839 ''Huon''<br />
= Allen Weston --joint pseud. (1) non-genre<br />
0..el f Norton, Mary {{a|1376}} (44);1903 [[User:Pwendt/People/Mary Norton]] ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#The Borrowers]]<br />
> Norvil, Manning ><br />
:-elsf Noyes, Alfred {{a|19748}} (114) <br />
5..elsf Nye, Jody Lynn {{a|1432}} (37),1957 ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Crossroads Adventure publication series]]<br />
el f Nye, Robert {{a|5059}} (51) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Robert Nye]]<br />
3.. Oates, Joyce Carol ,1938<br />
> O'Brien, David Wright ><br />
1- O'Brien, Flann ;1911 = Brian O'Nolan or Briain ÓNuallàin<br />
> Ocampo, Silvina ><br />
3- Offutt, Andrew J<br />
> O'Hagan, Howard ><br />
> O'Hara, Kenneth ><br />
5- Okri, Ben<br />
:.el f Oliphant, Mrs {{a|79773}} (249)<br />
:-el f Onions, Oliver {{a|15191}} (60)<br />
4.. Ore, Rebecca ,1948<br />
5.. Orr, A ,1950 = Alice Ingram Orr Sprague<br />
0- Orwell, George = Eric Arthur Blair<br />
3? O'Shea, Pat ,1931<br />
> Ossian > Celtic Fantasy<br />
:-el f O'Sullivan, Vincent {{a|17777}} (19)<br />
#-el f Ovid {{a|19918}} (684)<br />
:- Owen, Frank<br />
2.. Ozick, Cynthia ,1928<br />
><s> Padgett, Lewis > </s> joint Kuttner & Moore<br />
5- Page, Norvell W ;1904<br />
> Paget, Francis Edward > > Children's Fantasy.; Fairytale<br />
:-elsf Pain, Barry {{a|18225}} (26)<br />
5- Palmer, Thomas<br />
6.. Palwick, Susan ,1960<br />
1..eLLf Pargeter, Edith {{a|2173}} (38+66);1913 = Ellis Peters, pseud.<br />
3- Parkinson, Dan<br />
: '''Parry, [Sir] Edward Abbott''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Abbott_Parry EN]<br />
<s> Paton, Ephraim Soulsby > > Kenneth Morris</s><br />
3..elsf Paton Walsh, Jill {{a|4999}} (54),1939<br />
><s> Pattrick, William > pseud Peter Haining</s><br />
2- Pavič, Milorad<br />
4.. Paxson, Diana L ,1943<br />
><s> Paye, Robert > pseud Marjorie Bowen</s><br />
><s> Payne, Alan > > John W Jakes.</s><br />
> Peacock, Thomas Love > > Arthur; Flood; Ghost Stories.<br />
1- Peake, Mervyn<br />
2..elsf Pearce, Philippa {{a|4991}} (42),1920 ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Philippa Pearce]]<br />
0- Pei, Mario<br />
> Péladan, Joséphin > > Decadence<br />
><s> Penalurick, Jan > > Charles de Lint</s><br />
> Percy, Thomas > > Romance<br />
#-el f Perrault, Charles {{a|20007}} (380) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Perrault]]<br />
> Perrault, Pierre > French folklorist (1678-1700) --son<br />
:-EDlsf Perutz, Leo {{a|132231}} (54) <br />
><s> Peters, Ellis > pseud Edith Pargeter</s><br />
><s> Peyton, Richard > pseud Peter Haining</s><br />
:.el f Phelps, Elizabeth Stuart {{a|15188}} (86) +4Ward +1Adams<br />
><s> Phillips, Michael > pseud Charles Beaumont, sometimes with William F Nolan</s><br />
:-eLLsf Phillpotts, Eden {{a|212}} (256) +4 Hext Harrington<br />
:- lwwsf Phylos the Thibetan {{a|205327}} (2+7)[13+9] = Frederick Spencer Oliver<br />
5.. Pierce, Meredith Ann ,1958<br />
5..el f Pierce, Tamora {{a|867}} (57),1954<br />
5- Pike, Christopher = Kevin McFadden<br />
5- Pini, Richard<br />
5.. Pini, Wendy ,1951<br />
4- Pinkwater, Daniel M<br />
:-elsf Pirandello, Luigi {{a|157712}} (303) <br />
#-el f Planché, James Robinson {{a|122692}} (127) <br />
:-elsf Poe, Edgar Allan {{a|622}} (944) [[User:Pwendt/People/Edgar Allan Poe]]<br />
#-elsf Polidori, John {{a|19743}} (25) <br />
> Pollack, Frederick > > Posthumous Fantasy.<br />
4.. Pollack, Rachel ,1945<br />
:-elsf Pollock, Walter Herries {{a|6881}} (26) <br />
3.. lw f Poole, Josephine {{a|4942}} (18),1933<br />
1..el f Pope, Elizabeth Marie {{a|473}} (7);1917 <br />
2- '''Postgate, Oliver''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Postgate EN]<br />
#-elsf Potocki, [Count] Jan {{a|4935}} (23) <br />
:.el f Potter, Beatrix {{a|173620}} (384) <br />
><s> Power, Cecil > pseud Grant Allen</s><br />
6.. Power, Susan Mary ,1961<br />
5- Powers, Tim<br />
:-elsf Powys, John Cowper {{a|132147}} (130) <br />
> Powys, Llewelyn > third brother<br />
:-el f Powys, T F {{a|20010}} (48) <br />
:.el f Praed, Mrs [Rosa Campbell Praed] {{a|132339}} (25) <br />
5.. Prager, Emily ,1952<br />
4.. Prantera, Amanda ,1942<br />
4-elsf Pratchett, Terry {{a|155}} (105) <br />
:-elsf Pratt, Fletcher {{a|532}} (94) <br />
0- Pratt, Theodore<br />
<s> Preedy, George R > pseud Marjorie Bowen</s><br />
5- Preiss, Byron<br />
<s> Prescot, Dray > pseud Kenneth Bulmer</s><br />
:-elsf Price, E Hoffmann {{a|525}} (6)[many] <br />
4- Priest, Christopher<br />
:-elsf Priestley, J B {{a|1261}} (338)<br />
5-elsf Pringle, David {{a|719}} (15)<br />
> Proença, M Cavalcanti > > Brazil<br />
.. Prose, Francine ,1947<br />
4-elsf Pullman, Philip {{a|2692}} (53)<br />
#-el f P'u Sung-Ling [Pu Songling] {{a|126880}} (190) <br />
:-el f Pyle, Howard {{a|6311}} (188)<br />
3- Pynchon, Thomas<br />
> Q ><br />
> Questing, Frank ><br />
:-el f Quiller-Couch, [Sir] Arthur {{a|2088}} (156)<br />
> Quinet, Edgar ><br />
:-elsf Quinn, Seabury {{a|755}} (9)<br />
#-elsf Rabelais, François {{a|20438}} (190) <br />
4- Rabkin, Eric S<br />
> Rachilde ><br />
#.el f Radcliffe, [Mrs] Ann {{a|17155}} (71) <br />
5- Raeper, William<br />
> Ramal, Walter ><br />
> Ramsay, Jay ><br />
:-elsf Ramuz, Charles-Ferdinand {{a|223637}} (163) <br />
> Randolph, Ellen ><br />
4- Rankin, Robert<br />
5- Ransmayr, Christoph<br />
:-elsf Ransome, Arthur {{a|74131}} (87) <br />
5.. Rasmussen, Alis A ,1958<br />
#-elsf Raspe, Rudolf Erich {{a|1980}} (19) <br />
5.. Rawn, Melanie ,1954<br />
> Rayner, Olive Pratt ><br />
2- Rayner, William<br />
:-elsf Read, [Sir] Herbert {{a|37023}} (268) <br />
3- Reamy, Tom<br />
5- Reaves, J Michael<br />
3- Redgrove, Peter<br />
5- Reed, Jeremy<br />
#.el f Reeve, Clara {{a|29851}} (16) <br />
-el f Reeves, James {{a|82345}} (125)<br />
5- Reeves-Stevens, Garfield<br />
5.. Reeves-Stevens, Judith ,1953<br />
6.. Reichert, Mickey Zucker = Miriam S Zucker Reichert<br />
> Reid, Desmond ><br />
:-el f Reid, Forrest {{a|116057}} (38)<br />
2..el f Reid Banks, Lynne {{a|n80028565}} (66),1929<br />
:-el f Remizov, Alexei {{a|208268}} (109) <br />
0..el f Renault, Mary {{a|1384}} (51);1905<br />
> Reynolds, Quintus ><br />
4..elsf Rice, Anne {{a|103}} (59),1941 + {{done}}<br />
= Anne Rampling (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/n86121823 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n86-121823<br />
= A. N. Roquelaure (4) https://lccn.loc.gov/n82114065 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n82-114065<br />
> Rice, James ><br />
5- Richard, Mark<br />
> Richards, Sean ><br />
0- Richardson, Maurice<br />
:.el f Riddell, [Mrs] J H {{a|1598}} (38) <br />
4.. Riley, Judith Merkle ,1942<br />
Rivkin, J F --joint pseud. of unknown 20c writers<br />
:-el f Robbins, Tod {{a|19170}} (8)[many] <br />
3- Robbins, Tom<br />
5.. Roberson, Jennifer ,1953<br />
> Robert de Boron ><br />
> Roberts, [Sir] Charles G D > ??<br />
4- Roberts, John Maddox<br />
3- Roberts, Keith<br />
5.. Roessner, Michaela ,1950<br />
?- Rogers, Mark<br />
5- Rogers, Mark E<br />
5- Rohan, Michael Scott<br />
:-elsf Rohmer, Sax {{a|1656}} (144) <br />
> Rolt, L T C ><br />
> Ronson, Mark ><br />
3- Rooke, Leon<br />
5- Rosenberg, Joel<br />
#- '''Rosencreutz, Christian --Rosicrucian founder''' --nidb (13) https://lccn.loc.gov/n50083276 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Rosenkreuz EN]<br />
3- Rosendorfer, Herbert<br />
> Rosny aîné, J H ><br />
> Ross, Clarissa ><br />
> Ross, Dana ><br />
1- Ross, Marilyn, pseud. = William Edward Daniel Ross (one of at least 20 names) ;1912<br />
> Ross, Olin ><br />
:.el f Rossetti, Christina {{a|118364}} (150) <br />
> Rossiter, Jane ><br />
3- Roszak, Theodore<br />
> Rousseau, Jean-Jacques ><br />
5- Rovin, Jeff<br />
4- Rowley, Christopher<br />
1- Ruark, Robert C<br />
1- Rubião, Murilo ;1916<br />
6- Ruff, Matt<br />
6.. Rusch, Kristine Kathryn ,1960<br />
4- Rushdie, Salman<br />
:-el f Ruskin, John {{a|19491}} (604) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Ruskin]]<br />
> Russ, Joanna ><br />
:-elsf Russell, W Clark {{a|132202}} (121)<br />
5- Ryman, Geoff<br />
:-el f Rymer, James Malcolm {{a|20009}} (4)[many] <br />
3- Saberhagen, Fred<br />
><s> Sage, Juniper > </s> = Margaret Wise Brown (first joint with Edith Thacher Hurd)<br />
> Saint-Aubin, Horace de ><br />
:-elsf Saki {{a|1204}} (65) = Hector Hugh Munro<br />
5.. Salmonson, Jessica Amanda ,1950<br />
:-el f Salten, Felix {{a|206101}} (129) <br />
> Saltykov, Mikhail ><br />
5- Salvatore, R A ,1959<br />
3.. Sampson, Fay ,1935<br />
4- San Souci, Robert D<br />
1-e s Sarban = John William Wall<br />
5- Sargent, Carl<br />
4- Saunders, Charles R<br />
7.. Savage, Felicity ,1975<br />
3.. Saxton, Josephine ,1935<br />
0- Scanziani, Piero<br />
4.. Scarborough, Elizabeth Ann ,1947<br />
> Scavone, Rubens Teixeira ><br />
#- '''Schikaneder, Emanuel --librettist''' --nidb (161) https://lccn.loc.gov/n82227327 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Schikaneder EN] http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=schikaneder_emanuel <br />
3- Schmidt, Dennis A<br />
5- Schweitzer, Darrell<br />
> Scithers, George H ><br />
3- Scliar, Moacyr ,1937<br />
> Scot, Michael ><br />
> Scotland, Jay ><br />
5- Scott, Allan<br />
> Scott, Jeremy ><br />
6.. Scott, Melissa ,1960<br />
5-el f Scott, Michael {{a|931}} (32 +5)<br />
#-el f Scott, [Sir] Walter {{a|2069}} (1189)<br />
2-el f Selden, George {{a|221970}} (24) +1 Terry Andrews = George Selden Thompson<br />
--The Cricket in Times Square genre?<br />
1973 The Genie of Sutton Place [https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/119610863/6D013D931E154403PQ/1?accountid=11311] NYT 1973-05-06 Spring 1973 list<br />
https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/148470239/6D013D931E154403PQ/2?accountid=11311 WP -05-13<br />
https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/170412803/6D013D931E154403PQ/3?accountid=11311 CT -06-17<br />
https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/119862161/pageviewPDF/6D013D931E154403PQ/4?accountid=11311 NYT -06-24 pageview<br />
: no ISBN "Dell, 1974, (c)1973" o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2354825]<br />
: two ISBN (c)1973 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/797094388]<br />
: ISBN 0374425302 [https://www.amazon.com/Genie-Sutton-Place-George-Selden/dp/0374425302 at Amazon] Look inside 6th printing cover art (c)1994, first Sunburst 1984 ; o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/473727550] o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/17835926] 1984 (c)1973 Sunburst ; Fo[http://www.worldcat.org/title/genie-of-sutton-place/oclc/658116/editions?start_edition=11&sd=asc&referer=di&se=yr&editionsView=true&fq=]<br />
<br />
> Sellwood, A V ><br />
2- Sendak, Maurice --illustrator mainly<br />
#- '''Seneca, Lucius Annaeus''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_the_Younger EN: Seneca the Younger]<br />
> Sernine, Daniel ><br />
4.. Service, Pamela F ,1945<br />
> Seth, Vikram ><br />
> Seton, Ernest Thompson ><br />
0- Seuss, Dr = Theodore Seuss Geisel --illustrator mainly<br />
1- Severn, David = David Storr Unwin<br />
4.. Seymour, Miranda<br />
#-elsf Shakespeare, William {{a|22499}} (7967) [[User:Pwendt/People/Shakespeare]]<br />
0..el f Sharp, Margery {{a|19972}} (78);1905 <br />
:-elsf Shaw, George Bernard {{a|17781}} (867) <br />
4- Shea, Michael<br />
><s> Shearing, Joseph > pseud Marjorie Bowen</s><br />
#.elsf Shelley, Mary {{a|1836}} (289) <br />
#-el f Shelley, Percy Bysshe {{a|2070}} (469) <br />
4- Shelley, Rick<br />
4- Shepard, Lucius<br />
5.. Sherman, Delia ,1951<br />
> Sherman, Frank Dempster ><br />
4.. Sherman, Josepha ,1946<br />
2- Sherrell, Carl<br />
5- Shetterly, Will<br />
:-elsf Shiel, M P {{a|4728}} (32) <br />
5.. Shinn, Sharon ,1957<br />
1.. lwf Shuler, Linda Lay {{a|4722}} (3);1910<br />
4.. Shwartz, Susan M ,1949<br />
> Siegel, Barbara ><br />
5- Siegel, Scott<br />
> Sienkiewicz, Henryk ><br />
?- Silke, James R<br />
-elsf Silverberg, Robert {{a|54}} (270)<br />
0- Simak, Clifford D<br />
> Šimánek, Josef ><br />
4- Simmons, Dan<br />
1- Simpson, N F ;1919<br />
3- Sinclair, Andrew<br />
> Sinclair, Catherine ><br />
4- Sinclair, Clive<br />
:-elsf Sinclair, Upton {{a|20435}} (520) <br />
0-el f Singer, Isaac Bashevis {{a|1383}} (167) <br />
4.. Singer, Marilyn ,1948<br />
:-el f Sitwell, Sacheverell {{a|167329}} (184) <br />
> Skaldaspillir, Sigfridur ><br />
0- '''Skinner, Martyn''' --nidb; born 1906 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyn_Skinner EN stub]<br />
:- Skipper, Mervyn<br />
4-elsf Sleator, William {{a|518}} (24)<br />
0..el f Sleigh, Barbara {{a|30719}} (18);1906<br />
> Slowacki, Juliusz ><br />
5- Smeds, Dave = real name of Reed Manning<br />
:-el f Smith, Arthur D Howden {{a|15211}} (27)<br />
:-elsf Smith, Clark Ashton {{a|819}} (36) <br />
5- Smith, David C<br />
:.el f Smith, Dodie {{a|174261}} (69) <br />
6.. Smith, Julie Dean ,1960<br />
> Smith, Junius B ><br />
?- Smith, Nyx ,19xx = N(athan) Y(ale) X(avier) Smith<br />
5.. Smith, Stephanie A ,1959<br />
:-elsf Smith, Thorne {{a|1313}} (44) <br />
5.. Smoodin, Roberta ,1952<br />
5.. Snodgrass, Melinda M ,1951<br />
> Snow, Jack ><br />
> Snowdon, Evan ><br />
5.. Snyder, Midori ,1954<br />
2..el f Snyder, Zilpha Keatley {{a|2502}} (58),1927<br />
> Soloviev, Vladimir ><br />
> Somadeva ><br />
5- Somtow, S P ,1952 = Somtow Papinian Sucharitku<br />
> Songweaver, Cerin ><br />
2- Sørensen, Villy ,1929<br />
:- '''Sousa, John Philip --composer''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Philip_Sousa EN]<br />
:-elsf Southesk, the Earl Of {{a|148146}} (5)<br />
https://legionmagazine.com/en/2003/01/beware-the-windigo/ --evidently from 1859/1860 diary of journey in the plains ; also<br />
1862 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/35999287]<br />
1876 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/13392480], 52-page poem -HDL <br />
1976/1899 https://lccn.loc.gov/75046307 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2317572]<br />
#-el f Southey, Robert {{a|114888}} (200) <br />
4- Souto, Marcial ,1947<br />
> Soyka, Otto ><br />
1..el f Spark, Muriel {{a|16326}} (126);1918<br />
6..e f Spedding [Alison Louise] {{a|3483}} (20),1962 --no English-lang library records?<br />
:-el f Spence, Lewis {{a|19875}} (86)<br />
4- Spencer, William Browning<br />
#-el f Spenser, Edmund {{a|114708}} (205) <br />
4..el f Springer, Nancy {{a|587}} (57),1948<br />
> Spunda, Franz ><br />
-elsf Stableford, Brian M {{a|556}} (53)<br />
> Staines, Trevor ><br />
4.. Stanton, Mary ,1947<br />
:-el f Starrett, Vincent {{a|15960}} (81)<br />
4- Stasheff, Christopher<br />
#- '''Statius, Publius Papinius''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statius EN]<br />
> Steele, V M ><br />
> Steiner, K Leslie ><br />
:-el f Stephens, James {{a|13629}} (79)<br />
> Stephens, Reed ><br />
> Sterling, George ><br />
:-el f Sterling, John {{a|2064}} (9) <br />
:.elsf Stevens, Francis {{a|2017}} (4) = Mrs Gertrude (Barrows) Bennett <br />
:-elsf Stevenson, Robert Louis {{a|1964}} (1293) <br />
5.. Stevermer, Caroline ,1955<br />
1..el f Stewart, Mary {{a|2362}} (57);1916<br />
6- Stewart, Sean<br />
> Stockbridge, Grant ><br />
:-elsf Stockton, Frank R {{a|1968}} (165)<br />
:-elsf Stoker, Bram {{a|650}} (210)<br />
> Stokes, Manning Lee ><br />
-el f Stonier, G W {{a|119544}} (12);1903<br />
4- Straub, Peter<br />
:-elsf Stribling, T S {{a|13182}} (32) <br />
4- Strickland, Brad<br />
:-el f Strindberg, August {{a|168921}} (434) <br />
> Strobl, Karl Hans ><br />
2- Strugatsky, Arkady AND(brothers)<br />
2- Strugatsky, Boris (Natanovich)<br />
0- Stuart, Francis<br />
1-elsf Sturgeon, Theodore {{a|56}} (62) <br />
> Suassuna, Ariano ><br />
> Sucharitkul, Somtow ><br />
:-el f Sue, Eugène {{a|4558}} (159) <br />
4- Süskind, Patrick<br />
2..el f Sutcliff, Rosemary {{a|1532}} (88),1920<br />
> Švantner, František ><br />
3- Swahn, Sven Christer<br />
2- Swann, Thomas Burnett<br />
5- Swanwick, Michael<br />
#-elsf Swift, Jonathan {{a|303}} (540) <br />
> Swinburne, Algernon > ??<br />
3- Swithin, Antony = William Antony Swithin Sarjeant<br />
1- Symonds, John<br />
:.el f Syrett, Netta {{a|254822}} (37)<br />
+ sister-illustrator :. w .Syrett, Nellie {{a|178887}}<br />
5- Szilagyi, Steve<br />
> Takei, George ><br />
><s> Tallis, Robyn > pseud Debra Doyle</s><br />
4.. Tannen, Mary ,1943<br />
> Tarnmoor, Salvator R ><br />
5.. Tarr, Judith ,1955<br />
6.. Tartt, Donna ,1964<br />
4- Taylor, Keith<br />
3- Taylor, Roger<br />
#- '''Tchulkov, Mikhail''' --nidb --niEN.wiki --"along with the more talented writer Vasily Levshin, created Russian fantasy as a genre"<br />
3.. Tennant, Emma ,1937<br />
> Tenneshaw, S M ><br />
> Tennyson, Alfred Lord ><br />
> Teophilo, de Rodolpho ><br />
2.. Tepper, Sheri S ,1929 = E E Horlak, pseud.<br />
:-el f Thackeray, William Makepeace {{a|119470}} (484)<br />
1- Themerson, Stefan<br />
3- Thomas, D M ,1935<br />
1- Thomas, Dylan ;1914<br />
4- Thomas, Roy<br />
> Thomas, Thomas T ><br />
5- Thompson, Paul B<br />
> Thompson, Ruth Plumly ><br />
> Thornley, Richard ><br />
:-elsf Thurber, James {{a|13001}} (166) <br />
:-el f Thurston, E Temple {{a|82993}} (66) <br />
> Ticheburn, Cheviot ><br />
#-el f Tieck, Johann Ludwig {{a|96093}} (151)<br />
3- Timlett, Peter Valentine<br />
:-elsf Timlin, William M {{a|146305}} (6)<br />
> Titmarsh, M A ><br />
:.el f Todd, Barbara Euphan {{a|108828}} (9) <br />
3- Todorov, Tzvetan<br />
>-el f Tolkien, Christopher {{a|2328}} (49) > J R R TOLKIEN<br />
:-elsf Tolkien, J R R {{a|302}} (230) <br />
3- Tolstoy, Nikolai<br />
> Tomline, F ><br />
> Tompkins, Wentworth ><br />
:.el f Travers, P L {{a|36455}} (65);1899 ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Mary Poppins]]<br />
1-el f Treece, Henry {{a|22756}} (79);1911<br />
4- Tremayne, Peter = Peter Berresford Ellis<br />
> Trevor, Meriol ><br />
2- Tryon, Thomas<br />
:-el f Turgenev, Ivan {{a|19779}} (531) <br />
5.. Tuttle, Lisa ,1952<br />
2- Tutuola, Amos<br />
:-elsf Twain, Mark {{a|160}} (1546) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Twain]]<br />
:-elsf Tweed, Thomas F {{a|171014}} (4)[same] 2 novels only, under 4 titles<br />
> Two Wags ><br />
> Umansky, Kaye > > (1946-? ) US writer. > Children's Fantasy.<br />
:.el f Underhill, Evelyn {{a|158871}} (90)<br />
3- Updike, John<br />
:.el f Uttley, Alison {{a|4471}} (97)<br />
><s> Vace, Geoffrey > > Hugh B Cave</s><br />
?? Van Asten, Gail ,19xx --debut 1988<br />
1-elsf Vance, Jack {{a|}};1916 (101) <br />
5..el f Vande Velde, Vivian {{a|1546}} (41),1951<br />
:-el f Vane, Sutton {{a|279823}} (13) <br />
> van Gulik, Robert > > Oriental Fantasy.<br />
><s>Van Lustbader, Eric ,1946 >Lustbader, Eric Van</s><br />
2-elsf Vansittart, Peter {{a|4462}},1920 (38) <br />
1-elsf van Vogt, A E {{a|58}};1912 (21) <br />
4- Vardeman, Robert E ,1947<br />
1- '''Veiga, José J''' --nidb {{a|}};1915 () http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=veiga_jose_j<br />
><s> Vergil > </s><br />
> Verlaine, Paul > > Decadence<br />
:-elsf Viereck, George {{a|107682}} (59)<br />
:-elsf Villiers de L'Isle-Adam, Comte De {{a|19935}} (58) <br />
:-el f Vines, Sherard {{a|160515}} (17) <br />
4.. Vinge, Joan D ,1948<br />
><s>Vipont, Elfrida > Raymond Briggs.</s> minor co-author<br />
#-el f Virgil {{a|110868}} (995) <br />
:-elsf Visiak, E H {{a|82633}} (13)<br />
:-elsf Vivian, E C {{a|6696}} (20+) --three pseudonyms, not identified at WorldCat<br />
= Charles Cannell no97041031 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no97-041031<br />
= Barry Lynd nb2007017003 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-nb2007-017003<br />
= Jack Mann no95021935 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no95-021935<br />
?.el f Volsky, Paula {{a|2246}},19xx (9) --debut 1982 <br />
> Von Aue, Hartmann > > (?1160-?1215) German chronicler. > Arthur.<br />
#-el . Von Eschenbach, Wolfram > > Arthur; Perceval. 12/13th century {{a|183029}} (86) <br />
#-el . Von Strassburg, Gottfried > > Arthur. 12/13th century {{a|222268}} (45) <br />
0-el f Wagenknecht, Edward {{a|101461}};1900 (86)<br />
4- Wagner, Karl Edward ,1945<br />
:-el f Waite, A E {{a|117721}} (97)<br />
:-el f Wakefield, H Russell {{a|14349}} (15)<br />
:-el f Waley, Arthur {{a|147813}} (106)<br />
5.. Walker, Wendy ,1951<br />
0-el f Wall, Mervyn {{a|1745}};1908 (8)<br />
2-el f Wallop, Douglass {{a|}},1920 (29) <br />
#-el f Walpole, Horace {{a|629}} (192)<br />
0..el f Walton, Evangeline {{a|1506}} (14);1907<br />
4.. Wandor, Michelene ,1940<br />
0-elsf Wandrei, Donald {{a|}};1908 (3) <br />
0-el f Wandrei, Howard {{a|1149}};1909 (2)<br />
4- Wangerin, Walter Jr ,1944<br />
><s> Warborough, Martin Leach > </s> = pseud Grant Allen<br />
:- '''Ward, Christopher''' --nidb --niEN.wiki<br />
><s> Ward, Elizabeth Stuart Phelps > </s><br />
4.. Warner, Marina ,1946<br />
0-elsf Warner, Rex {{a|169878}};1905 (87) <br />
:.el f Warner, Sylvia Townsend {{a|7092}} (75) <br />
5.. Warrington, Freda ,1956<br />
4- Watson, Ian ,1943<br />
5- Watt-Evans, Lawrence ,1954 = Evans, Lawrence Watt<br />
3.. Waugh, Sylvia ,1935<br />
6- Weaver, Michael D ,1961<br />
3- Webber, Collin ,1939<br />
> Weber, Henry William > > (1783-1818) UK anthologist. > Anthologies.<br />
4- Weinberg, Robert ,1946<br />
4- Weir, Peter ,1944<br />
4.. Weis, Margaret ,1948<br />
?- Weisman, Jordan K ,????<br />
> Weiss, Jan > > (1892-1972) Czech writer. > Czech Republic; Slovakia.<br />
0- Wellman, Manly Wade {{a|}};1903 ()<br />
4- Wells, Angus ,1943<br />
:-elsf Wells, H G {{a|65}} (760) [[User:Pwendt/People/H. G. Wells]]<br />
><s> Wells, John Jay > </s> joint Marion Zimmer Bradley; Juanita Coulson<br />
6.. Wells, Martha ,1964<br />
> Wendelessen ><br />
> West, John ><br />
:.el f West, [Dame] Rebecca {{a|82909}} (97) <br />
2- Westall, Robert ,1929<br />
><s> Weston, Allen > </s><br />
:.el f Weston, Jessie L {{a|206062}} (50) <br />
> Wham, Tom ><br />
:.el f Wharton, Edith {{a|19663}} (345) <br />
2- Wharton, William ,1927 = Albert DuAime<br />
:-elsf Wheatley, Dennis {{a|4379}} (119)<br />
5- Whitbourn, John ,1958<br />
> White, Babbington ><br />
:-el f White, E B {{a|2046}} (97) <br />
-elsf White, T H {{a|2322}} (83) <br />
:-el f Whitehead, Henry S {{a|1214}} (4)[many] <br />
3- Whittemore, Edward ,1933<br />
:-elsf Wilde, Oscar {{a|1599}} (758) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Wilde]]<br />
> Wilder, Alan ><br />
3.. Wilder, Cherry ,1930<br />
:-el f Wilder, Thornton {{a|128182}} (216) <br />
> Wildredge, Thomas J ><br />
><s> Wilkins-Freeman, Mary E > </s><br />
4- Wilks, Mike ,1947 --illustrator mainly<br />
3..el f Willard, Nancy {{a|2319}} (75),1936<br />
6.. Willey, Elizabeth ,1960<br />
:-elsf Williams, Charles {{a|255}} (94) <br />
above Williams, Garth ;1912 --illustrator mainly<br />
> Williams, Mark ><br />
5- Williams, Michael ,1952<br />
> Williams, Roswell ><br />
5- Williams, Tad ,1957 = Robert Paul Williams<br />
4- Williamson, Chet ,1948 <br />
0-elsf Williamson, Jack {{a|256}};1908 (69) <br />
3-el f Williamson, J N (Gerald Neal) {{a|1436}},1932 (18) <br />
5- Williamson, Philip G ,1955<br />
4..elsf Willis, Connie {{a|99}},1945 (19)<br />
3- Wilson, Colin {{a|}},1931 ()<br />
3- Wilson, David Henry {{a|}},1937 ()<br />
4- Wilson, F Paul {{a|}},1946 ()<br />
3-elsf Wilson, Gahan {{a|1560}},1930 (55) --cartoonist<br />
> Wilson, J Arbuthnot ><br />
><s> Winch, John > </s><br />
5.. Windling, Terri ,1958<br />
5.. Winterson, Jeanette ,1959<br />
> Witkiewicz, Stanislaw Ignacy ><br />
:-elsf Wodehouse, [Sir] P G {{a|13508}} (477) <br />
3-elsf Wolfe, Gene {{a|171}},1931 (69)<br />
1-elsf Wollheim, Donald A {{a|826}};1914 (36) <br />
: Wollheim founded the publisher DAW Books Inc. <br />
: edited a number of science fiction anthologies and wrote the Mike Mars series and several other science fiction novels, some under the pseudonym David Grinnell)<br />
= David Grinnell https://lccn.loc.gov/no98116666 (4)<br />
3- Wongar, B ,1932<br />
4.. Wood, Bridget ,1947<br />
2- Wood, Wallace --Comics artist<br />
> Woodcott, Keith ><br />
> Woodforde, Christopher ><br />
:.elsf Woolf, Virginia {{a|4308}} (320) ; :-el Leonard Woolf {{a|201306}} (104) <br />
3.. Woolley, Persia ,1935<br />
:.elwf Worrell, Kathleen L {{a|263118}} (0) [2] <br />
[https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/534589102/1197313E20C477FPQ/1?accountid=11311] The Sun 1920-04-14 advertisement for April ''Physical Culture'', "Venus had spoken to this frail American girl" (only hit 'Kathleen l. worrell' 1920 1929)<br />
5.. Wrede, Patricia C ,1953<br />
:-elsf Wright, Farnsworth, ed. {{a|1130}} (1) --editor, Weird Tales<br />
2..el f Wrightson, Patricia {{a|2364}} (26),1921<br />
5.. Wurts, Janny ,1953<br />
> Wyatt, Horace ><br />
:-el f Wyke-Smith, E A {{a|3208}} (1)<br />
:.el f Wylie, Elinor {{a|4292}} (43)<br />
> Wylie, Jonathan = joint pseud. h/w Mark and Julia Smith<br />
4..elsf Yarbro, Chelsea Quinn {{a|360}},1942 (79+12)<br />
:-elsf Yeats, William Butler {{a|22704}} (566) <br />
4-elsf Yep, Laurence {{a|708}} (82),1948<br />
3..elsf Yolen, Jane {{a|250}} (359),1939<br />
:.el f Young, Ella {{a|783}} (20)<br />
1-elsf Young, Robert F {{a|391}};1915 (6) <br />
0..el f Yourcenar, Marguerite {{a|211321}} (108);1903 <br />
> Záborský, Jonáš ><br />
3-elsf Zelazny, Roger {{a|69}},1937 (81) <br />
> Zeyer, Julius ><br />
4-elsf Zimmer, Paul Edwin {{a|356}},1943 (4)<br />
3-el f Zipes, Jack {{a|10593}},1937 (75)<br />
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: {{done}} 2018-09-08, women born 1900 to 1920 (marked ";190?" or ";191?")<br />
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>#- '''Andreae, Johann''' > > Alchemy; Rosicrucianism<br />
#-el f Apel, Johann August {{a|210857}} (15) <br />
#-el f Apuleius {{a|2066}} (178)<br />
#-el f Ariosto, Lodovico {{a|3843}} (200)<br />
#-el f Aristophanes {{a|254732}} (454) <br />
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== Art ==<br />
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''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/fe/category/art Art entries: 246] (187 full; 59 cross-reference)<br />
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2017-08 {{t|ok}} scan of entire list for art Author born 19c and earlier, all with some entry in this list, as follows for those not in the database<br />
: 19 Alastair '''--nidb<br />
AuthorUpdate done for all entries annotated in this list, including English Wikipedia ('e') always; Library of Congress ('l') almost always; ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' ('f') all entries and many redirects. For instance compare {{a|Frank E. Schoonover}} ('f') with {{a| J. C. Leyendecker}} and {{a|Norman Rockwell}} (no 'f'), where I judged that the Encyclopedia article "Illustration" adds too little value on Leyendecker and Rockwell. That is, the ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' link for Schoonover constitutes a recommendation.<br />
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recent and not in ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy''<br />
l Gruger, F. R. {{a|142872}} (82)<br />
Henninger, A. B. {{a|251516}} https://lccn.loc.gov/no2016131309 (0) https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no2016-131309 --identity uncertain<br />
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not in database (marked 'nidb' below), nor Encyclopedia of Fantasy<br />
* Weir, Harrison https://lccn.loc.gov/n84167976 (25)<br />
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: 1852? ''The Doll and Her Friends'', illus. Browne, https://lccn.loc.gov/42049305 OCLC 13033625 <br />
:: [[User talk:Biomassbob#Riverside Quarterly, August 1975]]<br />
:: 1893 as by Mrs. Fairstar, illus. Frank M. Gregory [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uva.x000956920?urlappend=%3Bseq=17 at HDL], Preface + 1-110 ~20000 words<br />
: 1854? ''Cat and Dog'', illus. Weir, https://lccn.loc.gov/2006576003 OCLC<br />
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;2019-12-30/31 <br />
: append birthyear as ",YYYY" and closing: --- --- " .." if illustrator-only (in the sense no fiction works), " ." if chiefly illustrator; [blank] if chiefly fiction writer {{done}}<br />
: dedicate first column to birth decade if 1900s, ">" if Encyclopedia redirect, blank else {{done}}<br />
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: .. if women<br />
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4 +elsf Achilleos, Chris {{a|56901}} (4) ,1947 .<br />
Adams, Neal ,1941 .<br />
1 +el f Addams, Charles "Chas" {{a|7218}} (28) ,1912 .<br />
: 19 Alastair '''--nidb<br />
Alcala, Alfredo P ,1925 ..<br />
4 +el f Aldridge, Alan {{a|2285}} (19) ,1943 .<br />
# +EIl f Arcimboldo, Giuseppe {{a|147500}} (8) --boldi, boldo, boldus ,1526 ..<br />
0 el f Ardizzone, Edward {{a|34128}} (163) ,1900 .<br />
> Aris, Ernest Alfred ><br />
> '''ART''' > Fantasy Art; Illustration<br />
>:. +el f Attwell, Mabel Lucy {{a|226763}} (6) > Illustration (6) ,1879 ..<br />
Ayrton, Michael ,1921 .<br />
-- -- .. Baynes, Pauline -- not in EoF !<br />
Bantock, Nick ,1949 .<br />
:. +el f Barker, Cicely Mary {{a|139279}} (36) ,1895 .<br />
0 +el f Barks, Carl {{a|31550}} (22) ,1901 ..<br />
> Barr, George ><br />
Barr, Ken ,1933 ..<br />
: el f Beardsley, Aubrey {{a|25644}} (119) ,1872 .<br />
> Beck, C C ><br />
>.. Bell, Julie ><br />
Bellamy, Frank '''--nidb<br />
Bermejo, Luis ,1931 .<br />
Bisley, Simon ,1962 ..<br />
: +el f Blampied, Edmund {{a|233191}} (6) ,1886 ..<br />
Bolton, John ,1951 ..<br />
# ENlf Bosch, Hieronymus {{a|26314}} (100) ,1450 ..<br />
Breccia, Alberto '''--nidb<br />
3 +elsf Briggs, Raymond {{a|117601}} (72) ,1934 .<br />
> Briggs, Stephen ><br />
: el f Brock, C E {{a|37686}} (60) ,1870 ..<br />
: el f Brock, H M {{a|62371}} (23) ,1875 ..<br />
>: +el f [W. H.] Brooke, William Henry {{a|258457}} (3) > Illustration -- illus. Croker 1825<br />
# el f Bruegel, Pieter {{a|121308}} (142) ,1525 ..<br />
: +el f Bull, René {{a|180200}} (7) ,1872 ..<br />
: el f Burne-Jones, [Sir] Edward {{a|26365}} (60) ,1833 .<br />
Burns, Jim ,1948 ..<br />
Burns, John M '''--nidb<br />
> "Byron" ><br />
: el f Caldecott, Randolph {{a|134537}} (85) ,1846 ..<br />
Campbell, Eddie ,1955 .<br />
Cawthorn, James ,1929 .<br />
Chaykin, Howard ,1950 ..<br />
: elsf Chesterton, G K {{a|2044}} (520) -- chiefly as writer ,1874<br />
: 19 Čiurlionis, Mykalojus Konstantinas () '''--nidb<br />
: +el f Clarke, Harry {{a|121981}} (10) ,1889 ..<br />
: +el f Coll, Joseph Clement {{a|114370}} (9) ,1881 ..<br />
Corben, Richard ,1940 .<br />
1 elsf Crandall, Reed {{a|122264}} (24) ,1917 .. <br />
: el f Crane, Walter {{a|117080}} (152) ,1845 ..<br />
Crepax, Guido ,1933 ..<br />
# el f Cruikshank, George {{a|116830}} (632) [http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/6843 Oxford DNB] born -09-27 ,1792 .<br />
: +el f Dadd, Richard {{a|116450}} (2) ,1817 ..<br />
0 el f Dalí, Salvador {{a|24855}} (293) ,1904 .<br />
Dean, Roger ,1944 ..<br />
: +el f de Bosschère, Jean {{a|153904}} (34) ,1878 <br />
Delano, Jamie '''--nidb except one interview (uncertain identity noted {{a|146025}})<br />
: +EFlf de Neuville, Alphonse Marie {{a|174616}} (12) ,1836 ..<br />
>#16 Dietterlin, Wendel {{a|108464}} (7) > Edifice ; Piranesi https://lccn.loc.gov/n87805561 ,1550 ..<br />
+elsf Di Fate, Vincent {{a|1803}} (7)<br />
>:19 Dirks, Rudolph > Comics -- Katzenjammer Kids '''--nidb<br />
Disney, Walt '''--nidb<br />
Ditko, Steve ,1927 ..<br />
: EFlf Doré, Gustave {{a|26414}} (305) ,1832 ..<br />
: el f Doyle, Richard {{a|157832}} (57) ,1824 .<br />
> Druillet, Philippe ><br />
: EFlf Dulac, Edmund {{a|105321}} (63) ,1882 .<br />
># el f Dürer, Albrecht >> [Illustration] {{a|77865}} (485) ,1471 ..<br />
4 elsf Edwards, Les {{a|25101}} (3) 1949 ..<br />
> Eggleton, Bob ><br />
1 el f Eisner, Will {{a|37770}} (98) ,1917 .. <br />
> Eleuteri-Serpieri, Paolo ><br />
Embleton, Ron ,1930 .<br />
Emett, Rowland '''--nidb<br />
: el f Ernst, Max {{a|25280}} (195) ,1891 ..<br />
: elsf Escher, M C {{a|25296}} (46) ,1898 ..<br />
> Fabian, Stephen ><br />
'''FANTASY ART''' [JG/RT] by Jon Gustafson and Ron Tiner<br />
: l f Fell, H Granville {{a|168215}} (10) ,1872 ..<br />
Fernandez, Fernando ,1940 ..<br />
> Finger, Bill (22) > [Batman co-creator] '''--nidb<br />
1 +elsf Finlay, Virgil {{a|1084}} (3) ,1914 .<br />
Firchow, Steve ,1966 ..<br />
>: +elw Fitzgerald, John Anster {{a|59091}} (0?) > Illustration ,1819 ..<br />
Fitzpatrick, Jim ,1948 .<br />
: +el f Flint, [Sir] W Russell {{a|132835}} (3) ,1880 ..<br />
Flynn, Danny ,1958 ..<br />
: el f Ford, H J {{a|120009}} (38) ,1860 ..<br />
3 +el f Foreman, Michael {{a|8283}} (159) ,1938 .<br />
: el f Foster, Harold R [Hal] {{a|113098}} (9) -- comic strip Tarzan, Prince Valiant ,1892 ..<br />
19 Fraser, Claud Lovat '''--nidb<br />
0 +el f Fraser, Eric George {{a|114951}} (4) ,1902 ..<br />
2 +elsf Frazetta, Frank {{a|1825}} (19) ,1928 ..<br />
2 +elsf Freas, Kelly {{a|488}} (17) ,1922 ..<br />
> "Fritz" ><br />
> el f Frost, Arthur Burdette [Burdett] >> [Illustration] {{a|112538}} (229) ,1851 ..<br />
4 el f Froud, Brian {{a|4048}} (37) ,1947 .<br />
: el f Furniss, Harry {{a|113861}} (41) ,1854 ..<br />
# el f Fuseli, Henry {{a|26228}} (53) ,1741 ..<br />
> Gerber, Steve ><br />
4 +EDlsf Giger, H R {{a|21090}} (20) ,1940 ..<br />
>18 Gillray, James > Comics '''--nidb<br />
Giolitti, Alberto '''--nidb<br />
> Giraud, Jean > see Moebius<br />
: +elsf Goble, Warwick {{a|26164}} (12) ,1862 ..<br />
: elsf Goldberg, Rube [R.L.] {{a|238431}} (58) ,1883 ..<br />
> "Gore" ><br />
2 elsf Gorey, Edward {{a|1880}} (194) ,1925 .<br />
<u>Goscinny and Uderzo</u><br />
= René Goscinny ,1926 (one work as writer)<br />
= Albert Uderzo ,1927 (one work as writer/illustrator)<br />
: +elsf Gould, F Carruthers {{a|228371}} (14) poor canonical name? --cartoonist ,1844 .<br />
: +EFlsf Grandville, Isidore {{a|152270}} (96) ,1803 .<br />
:.. el f Greenaway, Kate {{a|173272}} (84) ,1846 ..<br />
: + l f Griset, Ernest {{a|107748}} (17) https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n90-626969 ,1844 ..<br />
# +EDl f Grünewald, Matthias {{a|176663}} (45) ,1470 ..<br />
Gurney, James ,1958 .<br />
>.. Harris, Mabel Rollins ><br />
: el f Herriman, George {{a|24479}} (57) -- comic strip Krazy Kat ,1880 ..<br />
Hescox, Richard ,1949 ..<br />
> Higgins, Graham ><br />
<u>Hildebrandt Brothers</u><br />
3 elsf Greg {{a|8024}} (55) ,1939 .<br />
3 elsf Tim {{a|25736}} (36) ,1939 .<br />
1 el f Hogarth, Burne {{a|121762}} (31) -- comic strip Tarzan ,1911 ..<br />
'''ILLUSTRATION''' [RT] by Ron Tiner<br />
> Infantino, Carmine ><br />
.1 elsf Ingels, Graham {{a|27729}} (15) ,1915 .. <br />
-- Ipcar, Dahlov --inserted 2017-08-16 <br />
--indb chiefly as writer (below), probably known chiefly as picture book illustrator<br />
2 +el f Jacques, Robin {{a|26271}} (53) ,1920 ..<br />
Jones, Chuck --indb no data ..<br />
Jones, Jeffrey ,1944 .<br />
Jones, Peter Andrew ,1951 ..<br />
Kaluta, Michael William ,1947 ..<br />
1 +elsf Kane, Bob {{a|8501}} (204) ,1915 .<br />
: +elsf Kauffer, Edward McKnight {{a|116597}} (33) ,1890 ..<br />
2 el f Keeping, Charles {{a|78341}} (70) ,1924 ..<br />
Kelly, Ken ,1946 ..<br />
1 el f Kelly, Walt {{a|40301}} (185) -- comic strip Pogo ,1913 ..<br />
>:19 King, Frank > Comics '''--nidb<br />
Kirby, Josh ,1928 .<br />
1 elsf Krenkel, Roy G {{a|901}} (7) ,1918 .. <br />
>: +DEl f Kubin, Alfred {{a|122909}} (110) > Austria; Germany ,1877<br />
4 el f Lee, Alan {{a|3392}} (22) ,1947 .<br />
: +el f Leech, John {{a|152008}} (84) ,1817 ..<br />
: +elsf Lewis, Wyndham {{a|49201}} (139) ,1882 <br />
>: +el Leyendecker, J C {{a|223992}} (34) > Illustration ,1874 ..<br />
: +el f Lindsay, Norman {{a|30344}} (65) -- chiefly as writer ,1879 <br />
> Lleida, Rosa ><br />
: elsf Lofting, Hugh {{a|5360}} (89) -- chiefly as writer ,1886 <br />
McBride, Angus ,1931 ..<br />
6 +elsf McKean, Dave {{a|2471}} (48) ,1963 .<br />
: el f Magritte, René {{a|4858}} (110) ,1898 ..<br />
5 +elsf Maitz, Don {{a|421}} (4) ,1953 ..<br />
Manara, Milo ,1945 .<br />
Maroto, Esteban ,1942 ..<br />
# +elsf Martin, John b. 1789 {{a|118729}} (12) ,1789 ..<br />
Matthews, Rodney ,1945 (also one chapbook) ..<br />
Mattingly, David B ,1956 ..<br />
>:19 Maxon, Rex > Comics; Tarzan '''--nidb<br />
Mignola, Michael J ,1960 .<br />
: +el f Millais, [Sir] John Everett {{a|131549}} (34) ,1829 ..<br />
: el f Millar, H R {{a|37676}} (18) .1869 ..<br />
Miller, Frank ,1957 ..<br />
Miller, Ian ,1946 ..<br />
Mills, Patrick '''--nidb<br />
> Minton, John ><br />
3 +EFlsf Moebius {{a|26595}} (37) = Jean Giraud ,1938 ..<br />
> Morrill, Rowena ><br />
6 el f Morrison, Grant {{a|3231}} (165) -- indb as writer ,1960<br />
: el f Morrow, George {{a|14108}} (18) 1869 ..<br />
>.. Mozert, Zoe ><br />
# +el f Mulready, William {{a|190796}} (6) > Illustration ,1786 .<br />
: --''Butterfly's Ball'' by William Roscoe[nidb] 1807 https://lccn.loc.gov/73165023<br />
; cf Alan Aldridge {{a|2285}} 1973 edition nidb<br />
; EN.wiki ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Butterfly%27s_Ball,_and_the_Grasshopper%27s_Feast Butterfly's Ball]''<br />
Niño, Alex ,1940 ..<br />
19 Odle, Alan '''--nidb<br />
4.. el f Olivia [De Bernardinis] {{a|37135}} ,1948 ..<br />
>:.. +el f [O'Neill] O'Niell, Rose Cecil {{a|196799}} (50) > Illustration --indb as writer only ,1874<br />
Ortiz, José = Jose Ortiz Moya, Spanish comics artist ,1932 '''--nidb<br />
Otomo, Katsuhiro ,1954 .<br />
>:19 Outcoult, R F > Comics '''--nidb<br />
: +el f Papé, Frank C {{a|26984}} (24) --signed Frank C Pape and PAPE respectively https://lccn.loc.gov/n79067911 (notes, draft at [[User:Pwendt/temp]]) ,1878 ..<br />
: el f Parrish, Maxfield {{a|21111}} (70) ,1870 ..<br />
>: +el f Paton, [Sir] Joseph Noel {{a|215156}} (11) > Illustration ,1821 ..<br />
1 +elsf Peake, Mervyn {{a|2318}} (80) ,1911 .<br />
Pennington, Bruce ,1944 ..<br />
3 +el f Pieńkowski, Jan {{a|33465}} (88) -- as Pienkowski ,1936 .<br />
Pini, Richard --almost exclusively as writer ,1950 .<br />
5.. Pini, Wendy ,1951 .<br />
> Piper, John ><br />
# +elsf Piranesi, Giovanni Battista {{a|196589}} (113) ,1720 ..<br />
Ploog, Mike 1942 ..<br />
: +el f Pogány, Willy {{a|163273}} (68) -- as Pogany ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Pogany]] ,1882 .<br />
> Pratt, Hugo ><br />
: el f Pyle, Howard {{a|6311}} (188) ,1853 .<br />
: el f Rackham, Arthur {{a|34363}} (140) ,1867 ..<br />
0 +elsf Raymond, Alex {{a|29918}} (43) -- Flash Gordon ,1909 .<br />
: elsf Robinson, Charles {{a|88489}} (many) -- "referred to in the entry for W. Heath Robinson" ,1870 ..<br />
: elsf Robinson, W Heath {{a|81073}} (65) ,1872 .<br />
>: +el Rockwell, Norman {{a|115640}} (127) > ,1894 ..<br />
>:19 Ross, Charles Henry () > Comics -- The Yellow Kid '''--nidb<br />
: el f Rossetti, Dante Gabriel {{a|22705}} (183) ,1828 .<br />
: el f Rountree, Harry {{a|129171}} (7) ,1878 ..<br />
Rowena ,1944 .<br />
# 18 Rowlandson, Thomas () > Comics '''--nidb<br />
> Rubimor ><br />
>:19 St John, John Allen > Tarzan '''--nidb<br />
> Sale, Tim ><br />
Sanjulian, Manuel Perez ,1941 ..<br />
Scarfe, Gerald '''--nidb<br />
>: +el f Schoonover, Frank {{a|109163}} (34) > Illustration ,1877 ..<br />
Searle, Ronald ,1920 .<br />
Segrelles, Vi[n]cente ,1940 ..<br />
2 el f Sendak, Maurice {{a|7838}} (183) ,1928 .<br />
0 el f Seuss, Dr {{a|194995}} (190)+30+9+1 ,1904 .<br />
: el f Shepard, E H {{a|109448}} (192) ,1879 ..<br />
Sienkiewicz, Bill ,1958 ..<br />
> Sim, Dave ><br />
: el f Sime, S H [Sidney] {{a|25339}} (10) ,1867 ..<br />
>:19 Simmons, John {{a|157831}} dnf LC WorldCat () > Illustration http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=simmons_john ; d. 1876-11 ,1823 ..<br />
> Smith, Barry > = Windsor-Smith<br />
Steadman, Ralph .1936 ..<br />
>19 Stevens, Laurence > Finlay[dnf]<br />
Stout, William ,1949 .<br />
'''SURREALISM''' [GKW] by Gary K Wolfe<br />
3 +elsf Sweet, Darrell K {{a|1353}} (4) ,1934 ..<br />
> <s>Syme, Sidney Herbert > Illustration</s> --duplicates Sime<br />
Szilagyi, Steve ,1952 --indb only as novel ''Photographing Fairies''<br />
: +el f Tenniel, [Sir] John {{a|8424}} (171) ,1820 ..<br />
: +el f Thackeray, William Makepeace {{a|119470}} (484) -- chiefly as writer ,1811<br />
Thorne, Frank (3) ,1930 .<br />
Tiner, Ron = realname Tickner (author of "Fantasy Art", "Illustration") ,1940 .<br />
>.. Tourtel, Mary > Comics<br />
4 +ESlsf Vallejo, Boris {{a|1810}} (28) ,1941 ..<br />
>: el f Verbeek, Gustave [G.] {{a|185229}} (4) > Comics ,1867 ..<br />
--''Harper's'' debut likely v103 (missing at HDL); found in v104 Contents as Gustave Verbeek<br />
Vess, Charles ,1951 .<br />
>:19 Wain, Louis > Illustration '''--nidb<br />
0 +el f Wandrei, Howard {{a|1149}} (2) --chiefly as writer ,1909 <br />
>:19 Wenzell, Albert Beck > Illustration '''--nidb<br />
5 +elsf Whelan, Michael {{a|1804}} (17) ,1950 ..<br />
> White, Mel ><br />
White, Tim ,1952 .<br />
>: +DEl Wiese, Kurt {{a|122379}} (337) > Walter R Brooks ,1887 ..<br />
1 +el f Williams, Garth {{a|7320}} (139) ,1912 .<br />
6 el f Williams, Kent {{a|23090}} ,1962 ..<br />
Williamson, Al ,1931 .<br />
below Wilson, Gahan --chiefly as writer ,1930 .<br />
Windsor-Smith, Barry ,1949 ..<br />
Wood, Wallace ,1927 ..<br />
Woodroffe, Patrick ,1940 .<br />
Wrightson, Bernie ,1948 .<br />
: el f Wyeth, N C {{a|27249}} (127) ,1882 ..<br />
{{a|}} ()<br />
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; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM]] (Dulac)<br />
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== Author ==<br />
5.ew April Derleth {{a|24131}} --niLC niVIAF [1],1954 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/1237415] <br />
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;return to this project July 2019<br />
;return again February 2023<br />
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.J. S. Goodall {{a|201678}} https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n79-055243<br />
.David Walsh, illus. --nidb --niLC https://www.worldcat.org/identities/viaf-283896982/<br />
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:els Sir (Saint) Thomas More {{a|1150}} (186)<br />
:els John Oxenham (pseud.) {{a|119447}} (73)) = William Arthur Dunkerley<br />
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''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'' [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/fe/category/author Author entries: 1781] (1343 full; 438 cross-reference)<br />
: 59 pre-1800 all done 2017-12-03 (includes Grimm duo and a few redirects) but there must be others whom i don't recognize, yet to be tagged<br />
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2017-11-28 with User space cross-references to [[User:Pwendt/People]] (and subpages), [[User:Pwendt/Series]], [[User:Pwendt/FFM]]<br />
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Not in SFE-Fantasy<br />
.el.. Karen Wynn Fonstad {{a|5941}} (7)<br />
#.el.. Mary Lamb {{a|190794}} (112) --co-author w husband Charles Lamb, below<br />
els. Peter Nicholls {{a|7937}} (10) --SFE co-author w John Clute <br />
eLLLs Robert Reginald {{a|1103}} (46) + Michael Burgess (28) + Boden Clarke (24) <br />
= Lucas Webb (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/n86030922 ''The attempted assassination of John F. Kennedy : a political fantasy'' --one-time pseud.<br />
= C. Everett Cooper (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/n86030923 ''Up your asteroid! : A science fiction farce'' --one-time pseud.<br />
:els J. Jefferson Farjeon {{a|146846}} (47) <br />
. lw Joan Jefferson Farjeon {{a|78349}} (1) <br />
:ECLLs. Josef Čapek, older brother {{a|228375}} (70) <br />
+ 6 collabs as Brothers Capek https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n88-092947<br />
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3 Aamodt, Donald<br />
..elsf Abbey, Lynn {{a|115}} (33)<br />
:el f Abdullah, Achmed {{a|1689}} (45) <br />
2? Abé, Kobo<br />
: '''À Beckett, Arthur William (1844), a younger son''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_William_%C3%A0_Beckett EN (family point of entry)]<br />
: '''À Beckett, Gilbert Abbott (1811), father''' --nidb<br />
: '''À Beckett, Gilbert Arthur (1837), eldest son''' --nidb<br />
6 ab Hugh, Dafydd<br />
4 Ackroyd, Peter<br />
4 Adair, Gilbert<br />
><s> Adams, Nicholas > </s> <br />
2 Adams, Richard<br />
3 Adams, Robert<br />
:elsf Adeler, Max {{a|1690}} (21) = LC: Charles Heber Clark<br />
4 Adkins, Patrick H<br />
:eLsf A.E. or Æ {{a|127}} (43) +George William Russell (30) = George William Russell<br />
4.. l e Agins, Phyllis Carol {{a|4709}} (2)[same 2]<br />
1 Aickman, Robert<br />
:el f Aiken, Conrad {{a|1202}} (133)<br />
2..elsf Aiken, Joan {{a|582}} (140) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#The Wolves]]<br />
> lws Aiken, John > (son, brother)<br />
:e Ainsworth, William Harrison<br />
> Ajvaz, Michal > > Czech Republic<br />
><s> Akers, Alan Burt > </s> Kenneth Bulmer<br />
><s> Aki, Tanuki > </s> Charles de Lint<br />
:EJl f Akutagawa, Ryunosuke {{a|112179}} (129) <br />
:ew f Alan, A J {{a|78929}} --niLC [12] = Leslie Harrison Lambert<br />
:ESlsf Alarcón, Pedro A de {{a|2060}} (186)<br />
2 Aldiss, Brian W<br />
el f Alexander, Lloyd {{a|691}} (78) [[User:Pwendt/People/Lloyd Alexander]]<br />
2 Alexander, Marc<br />
: lsf Allen, F M, pseud. {{a|162102}} (11) = Edmund Downey<br />
:elsf Allen, Grant {{a|1699}} (102) +0+0+0 <br />
4.. Allende, Isabel<br />
:el Allingham, William (poems only indb) {{a|118550}} > Richard Doyle; Andrew Lang<br />
:. w f Allonby, Edith {{a|122926}} --niLC [4] <br />
''The Fulfilment'' (1905) 2011 Kindle ed., ASIN: B005HQ4Y86 [https://www.amazon.com/Fulfilment-Edith-Allonby-ebook/dp/B005HQ4Y86 at Amazon]<br />
> Alvarenga, Lucas José D' > > Brazil<br />
> Amadís de Gaula --work by Montalvo among others <br />
+#el f Montalvo, Garcí Rodríguez de {{a|169779}} (16)<br />
1 Amado, Jorge<br />
:el f Amery, L S {{a|222063}} (41) <br />
1..elsf Ames, Mildred {{a|3187}} (13)<br />
2 Amis, Kingsley<br />
4 Amis, Martin<br />
:el f Andersen, Hans Christian {{a|19348}} (1687)<br />
><s> Anderson, Dana > </s> Charles de Lint<br />
> Anderson, Karen > > Poul Anderson --editor, wife<br />
3.. l f Anderson, Margaret J {{a|6186}} (30) http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n80-022988<br />
2 Anderson, Poul<br />
: lwsf Andom, R {{a|162349}} (1)[many] = Alfred Walter Barrett<br />
> Andrade, Mário de > > Brazil<br />
># '''Andreae, Johann''' > > Alchemy; Rosicrucianism<br />
1 Andrews, Allen<br />
2..el f Andrews, Virginia C (134),1923<br />
:ERlsf Andreyev, Leonid {{a|237592}} (151) <br />
> Anmar, Frank > > Charles Beaumont; William F Nolan<br />
:elsf Anstey, F {{a|1697}} (63)<br />
3 Anthony, Piers<br />
5 Antrim, Donald<br />
><s> Aparthur, C > > Kenneth Morris </s><br />
#el f Apel, Johann August {{a|210857}} (15) <br />
:el f Apollinaire, Guillaume {{a|2228}} (237)<br />
#el f Apuleius {{a|2066}} (178)<br />
> Arbes, Jakub > > Czech Republic<br />
4 Arenas, Reinaldo<br />
#el f Ariosto, Lodovico {{a|3843}} (200)<br />
#el f Aristophanes {{a|254732}} (454) <br />
:elsf Arlen, Michael {{a|112213}} (44)<br />
:elsf Armstrong, Anthony {{a|15187}} (53) <br />
><s> Armstrong, Fytton > </s> John Gawsworth<br />
:el f Armstrong, Martin {{a|14031}} (62) <br />
><s> Armstrong, T I F > </s> John Gawsworth<br />
4.. Arnason, Eleanor <br />
> Arnim, Achim von > > Folklore<br />
:el f Arnold, [Sir] Edwin {{a|122246}} (107)<br />
:elsf Arnold, Edwin Lester {{a|738}} (13)<br />
> Arnold, Mark Alan > > Midori Snyder; Terri Windling --editor<br />
? Arscott, David --publications from 1984<br />
0 Arthur, Robert<br />
0.. l f Arthur, Ruth M {{a|221801}} (17) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Ruth M. Arthur]]<br />
><s> Arthur, Walshingham > </s> Kenneth Morris<br />
> Artmann, H C > > Austria<br />
5.. Ash, Constance<br />
elsf Ashley, Mike {{a|1367}} (83) --Encyclopedia contributor<br />
? Ashton, Charles --publications from 1991<br />
2 Asimov, Isaac<br />
4 Asprin, Robert Lynn<br />
:.el f Asquith, [Lady] Cynthia {{a|14887}} (47);1887 ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Asquith]]<br />
! Asturias, Miguel ,1899<br />
: w f Atkey, Bertram {{a|20306}} --niLC [several WorldCat]<br />
5- Attanasio, A A <br />
5 Attebery, Brian<br />
3? Auel, Jean M --(Jean Marie) The Clan of the Cave Bear<br />
#.el f Aulnoy, Madame D' {{a|110753}} (71) <br />
#el f Austin, William {{a|114964}} (9)<br />
el f Avi {{a|6305}} (99)<br />
> Awlinson, Richard > > Scott Ciencin; James Lowder<br />
0 Aymé, Marcel<br />
2 Ayrton, Michael<br />
>: Azevedo, Alvares de > > Brazil<br />
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6.. Babbitt, Lucy Cullyford ,1960<br />
3..el f Babbitt, Natalie {{a|3435}} (31),1932<br />
Bach, Richard<br />
1.. lwf Bacon, Martha {{a|162093}} (1);1917 = Martha Oliver-Smith <br />
> Bailey, Hilary ><br />
Bailey, Robin Wayne<br />
:el f Bain, F W {{a|95517}} (48)<br />
Baker, Denys Val<br />
Baker, Frank<br />
: lwf Baker, George A {{a|95873}} (12)<br />
: lwf Baker, G P {{a|221915}} (16) <br />
Baker, Michael<br />
Baker, Scott<br />
Baliol, Alexander<br />
4.. Ball, Margaret ,1947<br />
Ballard, J G<br />
#elsf Balzac, Honoré de {{a|1596}} (785) <br />
> Banat, D R > Ray Bradbury<br />
:elsf Bangs, John Kendrick {{a|4945}} (104) [[User:Pwendt/People/John Kendrick Bangs]]<br />
><s> Banks, Lynne Reid > </s><br />
Banville, John<br />
> Barclay, Bill ><br />
#el f Barham, Richard Harris {{a|18315}} (24) (LC: Ingoldsby, Thomas, 1788-1845)<br />
:elsf Baring, Maurice {{a|15654}} (116)<br />
:el f Baring-Gould, S {{a|34421}} (171)<br />
Barker, Clive<br />
Barks, Carl<br />
> Barnes, Arthur K ><br />
> Barnett, H C ><br />
> Barnett, Lisa A ><br />
> Barnett, Paul ><br />
:elsf Barr, Robert {{a|15670}} (2) = (pseud.) Luke Sharp<br />
> Barrett, Wilson ><br />
:el f Barrie, [Sir] J M {{a|1967}} (392) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Barrie . Peter]]<br />
:el f Barringer, Leslie {{a|2997}} (14)<br />
> Barrington, E ><br />
> Barrington, Michael ><br />
Barth, John<br />
Barthelme, Donald<br />
:el f Baudelaire, Charles {{a|120635}} (433) <br />
5.. Baudino, Gael ,1955<br />
Bauer, Steven<br />
:elsf Baum, L Frank {{a|162}} (391) --EN "no more links" ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Baum . Mo Yew]]<br />
elsf Beagle, Peter S {{a|1039}} (26)<br />
> Bean, Norman ><br />
Bear, Greg<br />
:el f Beardsley, Aubrey {{a|25644}} (119) <br />
:. lwf Beauclerk, Helen {{a|132242}} (11) --wife of (EN.wiki) or lived with Edmund Dulac 1923--1953 (his death)<br />
Beaumont, Charles<br />
> Beaumont, E T ><br />
><s> Beaumont, Marie Leprince de > </s><br />
:.el f Beck, L Adams {{a|4480}} (40) +7 Barrington +3 Moresby = Elizabeth Louisa Moresby<br />
Beckett, Samuel<br />
#el f Beckford, William {{a|630}} (72)<br />
> Bécquer, Gustavo Adolfo ><br />
:elsf Bedford-Jones, H {{a|2012}} (27)<br />
:elsf Beerbohm, Max {{a|20194}} (146)<br />
:elsf Begbie, Harold {{a|120103}} (89)<br />
:el f Belasco, David {{a|132289}} (153)<br />
5.. Bell, Clare .1952<br />
Bell, Douglas<br />
:elsf Bell, Neil {{a|94681}} (60) = Stephen Southwold<br />
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5.. Belle, Pamela ,1952<br />
Bemmann, Hans<br />
:elsf Benét, Stephen Vincent {{a|762}} (169)<br />
:elsf Benét, William Rose {{a|25042}} (65)<br />
> Bennett, Anna Elizabeth ><br />
:elsf Bennett, Arnold {{a|2461}} (336)<br />
> Bennett, John ><br />
:elsf Benson, A C {{a|1665}} (113) = "B"<br />
:elsf Benson, E F {{a|1666}} (188)<br />
:elsf Benson, Robert Hugh {{a|1957}} (63)<br />
:.elsf Benson, Stella {{a|20397}} (32)<br />
5.. Berberick, Nancy Varian ,1951<br />
:.el f Beresford, Elisabeth {{a|93973}} (20)<br />
Berger, Thomas<br />
> Bernanos, Georges ><br />
Bernanos, Michel<br />
Bertram, Noel<br />
:elsf Besant, Sir Walter {{a|2037}} (218)<br />
elsf Betancourt, John Gregory {{a|183}} (23)<br />
Bethancourt, T Ernesto<br />
> Bibiana, Jean Galli de ><br />
:elsf Bierce, Ambrose {{a|1960}} (143)<br />
Bioy Casares, Adolfo<br />
Birkin, Charles<br />
Bishop, Michael<br />
Bisson, Terry<br />
Bixby, Jerome<br />
> Black, Robert ><br />
> Blacklin, Malcolm ><br />
:elsf Blackwood, Algernon {{a|1126}} (76)<br />
> Blade, Alexander ><br />
#el f Blake, William {{a|2071}} (570) <br />
Blamires, Harry<br />
Blatty, William Peter<br />
:.el f Blavatsky, [Madame] H P {{a|19737}} (118) <br />
Blaylock, James P<br />
:elsf Blayre, Christopher (pseud.) {{a|118327}} (47) = Edward Heron-Allen<br />
elsf Bleiler, E F {{a|307}} (33) <br />
els Bleiler, Richard > [son] {{a|21219}} (12) <br />
Blish, James<br />
> Blishen, Edward ><br />
><s> Blixen, Karen > </s><br />
Bloch, Robert<br />
6.. Block, Francesca Lia ,1962<br />
> Bloggsleigh, Aubrey Tyndall ><br />
Bloom, Harold<br />
> Blyth, James ><br />
> Blyton, Enid ><br />
#el f Boccaccio, Giovanni {{a|127910}} (464) <br />
5.. Bohnhoff, Maya Kaathryn ,1954<br />
# '''Boiardo, Matteo Mario, Count of Scandiano''' > --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matteo_Maria_Boiardo EN]<br />
Bok, Hannes<br />
> Bond, Michael ><br />
4.. Bond, Nancy ,1945<br />
Bond, Nelson S<br />
> Bonfiglioli, Kyril ><br />
Bontly, Thomas<br />
:elsf Boothby, Guy {{a|20823}} (35)<br />
:elsf Borges, Jorge Luis {{a|1125}} (460) <br />
> Boron, Robert de ><br />
:.el f Boston, Lucy M {{a|6495}} (40) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#L. M. Boston]]<br />
> Boston, Noel ><br />
> Botto, Ján ><br />
Boucher, Anthony<br />
:.eLLLf Bowen, Marjorie {{a|12578}} (107) +15 Preedy +14 Shearing <br />
= Robert Paye[--niLC]<br />
= George Preedy <br />
= Joseph Shearing <br />
= John Winch https://lccn.loc.gov/no97058533 (0)<br />
Bowkett, Stephen<br />
5. Boyer, Elizabeth H ,1952<br />
Boyett, Steven R<br />
> Bozic, Stretan ><br />
1..elsf Brackett, Leigh {{a|334}} (35);1915<br />
> Bradbury, Edward P ><br />
Bradbury, Ray<br />
:.el f Braddon, Mary E {{a|78925}} (221) <br />
Bradfield, Scott<br />
3..elsf Bradley, Marion Zimmer (116),1930<br />
5.. Bradshaw, Gillian ,1956<br />
:elsf Bramah, Ernest {{a|377}} (33)<br />
> Brand, Max ><br />
> Brandner, Gary ><br />
Brautigan, Richard<br />
Brennan, Joseph Payne<br />
Brenner, Mayer Alan<br />
Brennert, Alan<br />
> Brentano, Clemens ><br />
> Brice, Martin H ><br />
:.el f Briggs, Katharine M {{a|109054}} (36) <br />
Briggs, Raymond<br />
> Briggs, Stephen ><br />
6.. Brite, Poppy Z ,1967<br />
4? Brittain, C Dale ,1948<br />
> Brod, Max ><br />
:.el f Brontë, Charlotte {{a|1698}} (334) <br />
Brooke, William J<br />
Brooks, Terry<br />
:elsf Brooks, Walter R {{a|6256}} (73) <br />
2..elsf Brophy, Brigid (47),1929 <br />
> Brosnan, John ><br />
:.elsf Broster, D K {{a|20860}} (17) <br />
#el f Brown, Charles Brockden {{a|109144}} (94) <br />
Brown, Fredric<br />
Brown, George Mackay<br />
1..el f Brown, Margaret Wise {{a|164720}} (247+);1910<br />
= as Juniper Sage, joint https://lccn.loc.gov/n79108845<br />
2..el f Brown, Mary {{a|1877}} (6 or 7)[13],1929 <br />
> Brown, Will ><br />
:el f Browning, Robert {{a|4192}} (510)<br />
4..el f Broxon, Mildred Downey {{a|1553}} (3)[7],1944<br />
Brunner, John<br />
Brust, Steven<br />
> Bryan, Michael ><br />
Bryant, Edward<br />
:elsf Buchan, John {{a|3627}} (208)<br />
: '''Büchner, Georg --German dramatist mainly''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_B%C3%BCchner EN]<br />
#el f Bulfinch, Thomas {{a|20326}} (76) <br />
:elsf Bulgakov, Mikhail {{a|234949}} (180)<br />
5.. Bull, Emma ,1954<br />
:el f Bullett, Gerald {{a|19971}} (78) = (pseud., non-genre?) Sebastian Fox<br />
Bulmer, Kenneth<br />
:elsf Bulwer-Lytton, [Sir] Edward, First Baron Lytton {{a|2019}} (406)<br />
><s> Bulwer-Lytton, Robert > </s> = Edward Bulwer-Lytton<br />
Bunch, Chris<br />
#el f Bunyan, John {{a|34400}} (189+) <br />
:.eLLsf Burdekin, Katherine {{a|3081}} (9) +4 Constantine<br />
= Murray Constantine (4)<br />
><s> Burdekin, Kay > </s><br />
3..el f Burford, Lolah (6),1931<br />
Burgess, Anthony<br />
:el f Burgess, Gelett {{a|15655}} (70)<br />
:.el f Burnett, Frances Hodgson {{a|4178}} (330)<br />
> Burgess, Thornton W ><br />
Burns, Richard<br />
:el f Burrage, A M {{a|6518}} (7)<br />
:elsf Burroughs, Edgar Rice {{a|143}} (347)<br />
> Burroughs, Joseph B ><br />
Burroughs, William S<br />
> Burton, [Sir] Richard ><br />
4.. Bushyager, Linda E ,1947<br />
:.el f Butts, Mary {{a|82905}} (19) <br />
3..el f Byatt, A S (65),1936<br />
#elsf Byron, Lord {{a|19966}} (607) <br />
:elsf Cabell, James Branch {{a|341}} (123)<br />
Cabrera Infante, Guillermo<br />
> Cain, G ><br />
> Calado, Ivanir ><br />
2..elsf Caldecott, Moyra (16),1927 = pseud Oliva Brown <br />
> Calhoun, Mary ><br />
Callander, Don<br />
:Nlw f Calthrop, Dion Clayton {{a|173606}} (38) <br />
Calvino, Italo<br />
1..elsf Cameron, Eleanor {{a|1508}} (26);1912<br />
> Cameron, John ><br />
> Campbell, Angus ><br />
Campbell, Ramsey<br />
> Cannell, Charles Henry ><br />
:ECLLsf Čapek, Karel {{a|161}} (300) + 6 collabs as Brothers Capek https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n88-092947<br />
:elsf Capes, Bernard {{a|2083}} (16) <br />
> Capitano, Il ><br />
> Capote, Truman ><br />
elsf Card, Orson Scott {{a|15}} (126)<br />
Carey, Peter<br />
4.. Carl, Lillian Stewart ,1949<br />
> Carlsen, Chris ><br />
#el f Carlyle, Thomas {{a|113667}} (440) <br />
> Carpenter, Leonard ><br />
Carr, John Dickson<br />
Carr, Terry<br />
Carroll, Jonathan<br />
:eLsf Carroll, Lewis {{a|3059}} (827) +Dodgson (25) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Carroll . Alice]]; [[User:Pwendt/People/Lewis Carroll]]<br />
> Carryl, Charles E ><br />
4..elsf Carter, Angela {{a|1172}} (56),1940 ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Angela Carter]]<br />
elsf Carter, Lin {{a|353}} (35) <br />
> Carter, Marilyn ><br />
> Case, Justin ><br />
Cave, Hugh B<br />
lwsf Cawthorn, James {{a|4126}} (3)<br />
#el f Cazotte, Jacques {{a|4125}} (30) <br />
#el f Cervantes, Miguel de Saavedra {{a|170356}} (1541) <br />
Chalker, Jack L<br />
Chambers, Aidan<br />
:elsf Chambers, Robert W {{a|385}} (140) <br />
#el f Chamisso, Adelbert von {{a|122107}} (103) <br />
4.. Chant, Joy ,1945<br />
:.el f Chapman, Vera {{a|1509}} (1) <br />
3..elsf Charnas, Suzy Mckee (14),1939<br />
[Charnas: EoF later removed, oocities restored; EoF restored 2023-0216<br />
Charrette, Robert N<br />
Charyn, Jerome<br />
> Chase, Mary ><br />
#el f Chaucer, Geoffrey {{a|107557}} (603) <br />
Cheever, John<br />
4..elsf Cherryh, C J {{a|16}} (94),1942<br />
Chesbro, George C<br />
:elsf Chesterton, G K {{a|2044}} (526)<br />
6.. Chetwin, Grace ,1964<br />
elsf Chetwynd-Hayes, R {{a|1694}} (7+1)<br />
> Chew, Ruth ><br />
4.. Chin, M Lucie ,1947<br />
:.el f Chopin, Kate {{a|19535}} (65) <br />
#el f Chrétien de Troyes {{a|198209}} (152) <br />
elsf Christopher, John {{a|378}} (59) + pseudonyms<br />
Ciencin, Scott<br />
><s> Clare, Helen > </s> = Pauline Clarke<br />
Clark, Douglas W<br />
Clarke, A V ><br />
3- Clarke, Lindsay ,1939<br />
.eLL f Clarke, Pauline {{a|16164}} (17+10+2),1921 = Helen Clare, etc<br />
?.? Clayton, Jo<br />
Clement, Aeron<br />
:.el f Clifford, Lucy Lane (Mrs. W. K.) {{a|24047}} (34) <br />
Cline, C Terry Jr.<br />
5.. Clough, B W ,1955 = Brenda Clough<br />
elsf Clute, John {{a|147}} (11)<br />
:.el f Coatsworth, Elizabeth {{a|76881}} (132)<br />
> Cobalt, Martin ><br />
:el f Cobb, Irvin S {{a|17681}} (90) <br />
4.. Cochran, Molly ,1949<br />
:EFl f Cocteau, Jean {{a|86397}} (407) <br />
4- Cole, Adrian ,1949<br />
Cole, Allan<br />
> Coleman, Clare ><br />
#el f Coleridge, Samuel Taylor {{a|22140}} (448) <br />
:.el f Coleridge, Sara {{a|83813}} (21) <br />
elsf Collier, John {{a|1160}} (30)<br />
5.. Collins, Nancy A ,1959<br />
:el f Collins, Wilkie {{a|2034}} (297) <br />
:el f Collodi, Carlo {{a|9486}} (294) <br />
Colombo, John Robert<br />
>:el . Colum, Padraic {{a|122434}} (138) > ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Padraic Colum]]<br />
> Colvin, James ><br />
> Comfort, Montgomery ><br />
0..elsf Comyns, Barbara {{a|6584}} (13);1909<br />
4.. Conford, Ellen ,1942<br />
Connell, Evan E<br />
:elsf Conrad, Joseph {{a|19447}} (584) <br />
Conrad, Peter<br />
><s> Constantine, Murray > </s><br />
Constantine, Storm<br />
:el f Conway, Hugh {{a|142380}} (42) = Frederick John Fargus <br />
Cook, Glen<br />
Cook, Hugh<br />
Cook, Rick<br />
6.. Cooke, Catherine ,1963<br />
5.. Cooper, Louise ,1952<br />
3..elsf Cooper, Susan {{a|2436}} (47),1935<br />
Coover, Robert<br />
:el f Coppard, A E {{a|1201}} (57) <br />
Corbett, W J<br />
:.elsf Corelli, Marie {{a|1966}} (112) <br />
Corlett, William<br />
:el f Corley, Donald {{a|17493}} (5) <br />
Cormier, Robert<br />
5.. Corran, Mary ,1953<br />
Cortázar, Julio<br />
Costikyan, Greg<br />
3..elsf Coulson, Juanita (8),1933<br />
1..el f Counselman, Mary Elizabeth {{a|1215}} (1);1911<br />
elsf Coville, Bruce {{a|1453}} (94) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Magic Shop]]<br />
Cox, Greg<br />
> Cox, Palmer ><br />
Crace, Jim<br />
:.el f Craik, Mrs {{a|125079}} (186) = Miss Mulock, Dinah Maria Mulock Craik<br />
:el f Cram, Ralph Adams {{a|17789}} (59) <br />
5.. Crawford, Betty Anne ,1952<br />
:el f Crawford, F Marion {{a|3423}} (153)<br />
:elsf Crawshay-Williams, Eliot {{a|186820}} (18) <br />
> Cray, Roberta ><br />
> Crayon, Geoffrey ><br />
#el f Crébillon, Claude-Prosper Jolyot de {{a|225214}} (60) <br />
3..el f Cresswell, Helen {{a|3615}} (54),1934<br />
: lwsf Creswick, Paul {{a|204013}} (4)[many] <br />
> Crichton, Michael ><br />
>#el Croker, Thomas Crofton > {{a|122486}} (41)<br />
> Crompton, Richmal ><br />
lwsf Cross, John Keir {{a|6602}} (15) <br />
> Crow, Levi ><br />
:el f Crowley, Aleister {{a|6606}} (123) <br />
Crowley, John<br />
Crowther, Peter<br />
2- Cuddon, J A ,1928<br />
> Cuiscard, Henri ><br />
Cullen, Seamus<br />
: lsf Cummins, Harle Oren {{a|20329}} (1)[1 only] http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n2006-075346 <br />
> Cunningham, Allan ><br />
3..el f Curry, Jane Louise {{a|3266}} (38),1932 --Beneath the Hill sequence "set partly in Wales and partly in the USA, where a community of Welsh Elves has established a Wainscot existence"<br />
elsf Dahl, Roald {{a|508}} (155)<br />
Dalby, Richard<br />
5.. Dalkey, Kara ,1953<br />
4.. Dalton, Annie ,1948<br />
# lwf Dalton, James {{a|148317}} (3) <br />
> Daly, Hamlin ><br />
> Dana, Rose ><br />
:.elsf Dane, Clemence {{a|19199}} (82) <br />
Dann, Colin<br />
Dann, Jack<br />
#elsf Dante Alighieri {{a|137127}} (1211) <br />
?.. Darby, Lyndan --joint pseud. Ann Grimsley (? - ), Lynne Kinnerley (? - )<br />
> D'Arcy, Jack ><br />
:el f Darlington, W A {{a|186990}} (22) <br />
> Darmancour, P ><br />
:elsf Davey, Norman {{a|199699}} (25) <br />
Davidson, Avram<br />
Davies, Robertson<br />
4.. Davis, Grania ,1943<br />
:el f Dawson, Coningsby W {{a|157528}} (44) <br />
> Dawson, William J ><br />
> Day, J Wentworth ><br />
5.. Dean, Pamela ,1953<br />
><s> de Beaumont, Marie Leprince > </s><br />
0..EFl f de Beauvoir, Simone {{a|4483}} (121);1908 <br />
de Bernieres, Louis<br />
de Camp, L Sprague<br />
DeChancie, John<br />
: w f de Comeau, Alexander {{a|130947}} --niLC [3] --YoB unknown, first book publ 1927<br />
:elsf Deeping, Warwick {{a|6702}} (140) <br />
#elsf Defoe, Daniel {{a|1900}} (801) <br />
de Haan, Tom<br />
de Haven, Tom<br />
Deitz, Tom<br />
><s> de La Fontaine, Jean > </s><br />
:el f de La Mare, Walter {{a|11634}} (277)<br />
Delany, Samuel R<br />
de Larrabeiti, Michael<br />
de Lint, Charles<br />
:el f de Maupassant, Guy {{a|1958}} (431) <br />
:el f de Morgan, William {{a|187146}} (16) <br />
Denning, Troy<br />
Dennis, Ian<br />
Derleth, August W<br />
#el f de Sade, Marquis {{a|109031}} (131) <br />
Dever, Joe<br />
Devereaux, Robert<br />
5.. Dexter, Susan ,1955<br />
Diamond, Graham<br />
4.. Dibell, Ansen ,1942 = pseud Nancy Ann Dibble<br />
1..elsf Dick, Kay {{a|145463}} (14+3);1915<br />
> Dick, R A ><br />
:elsf Dickens, Charles {{a|1572}} (2196) <br />
elsf Dickinson, Peter {{a|1442}} (95)<br />
:el f Dickinson, W Croft {{a|20183}} (11)[many] g<br />
> Dickson, Carter ><br />
Dickson, Gordon R<br />
> Dikty, Thaddeus E ><br />
:.eLLsf Dinesen, Isak (61) +37 KBlixen +1 Andrézel = {{a|Karen Blixen}}<br />
= Tania Blixen https://lccn.loc.gov/no95003726 (0)<br />
= Pierre Andrézel https://lccn.loc.gov/no95003714 (1)<br />
= Osceola https://lccn.loc.gov/n2011003005 (0)<br />
> Dionnet, Jean-Pierre ><br />
Disch, Thomas M<br />
4.. Diski, Jenny ,1947<br />
:elsf Disraeli, Benjamin {{a|16821}} (161) <br />
Doctorow, E L<br />
> Domecq, H Bustos ><br />
Donaldson, Stephen R<br />
>: Donnelly, Ignatius > ANTHROPOLOGY https://lccn.loc.gov/n80005270 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_L._Donnelly EN]<br />
><s> Doolittle, Hilda > </s><br />
> Dorset, Ruth ><br />
4.. Douglas, Carole Nelson ,1944<br />
:elsf Douglas, Norman {{a|19173}} (97) <br />
:. lwwf Douglas, Theo (2) = {{a|Henrietta D. Everett}}, Mrs. H. D. Everett<br />
= Julia Douglas https://lccn.loc.gov/nr95025284 (0)<br />
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-nr95-025284 (conflates) o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/81981668]<br />
:elsf Doyle, [Sir] Arthur Conan {{a|1131}} (787)<br />
5..elsf Doyle, Debra {{a|470}} (20),1952 + joint pseudonyms<br />
><s>Drake, Burgess > </s> = H.B.<br />
Drake, David A<br />
:elw f Drake, H B {{a|136904}} (13)[many] <br />
> Dreadstone, Carl ><br />
> Dreher, Sarah ><br />
3? Drew, Wayland ,1932<br />
: lw f Drummond, Hamilton {{a|126745}} (13)[many] <br />
><s> Dryasdust > </s><br />
5..elsf Duane, Diane E {{a|97}} (54),1952<br />
> Dufays, Baudelaire ><br />
:elsf Dumas, Alexandre père {{a|2024}} (1260)<br />
0..elsf Du Maurier, Daphne {{a|864}} (156);1907 <br />
Duncan, Dave<br />
:. lwf Dunn, [Mrs] Gertrude {{a|226115}} (as 12)<br />
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-dunn,%20gertrude (retired identity)<br />
:.Dl f G. Colmore, who was Gertrude Colmore Dunn for a time, {{a|186701}} (as 12)<br />
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n84-021617 (combined identity, following LC?)<br />
> Dunne, J W ><br />
:elsf Dunsany, Lord {{a|823}} (129)<br />
> Durrell, Gerald ><br />
:elsf Dwyer, James Francis {{a|15651}} (13) <br />
:ew f Dyalhis, Nictzin {{a|766}} --niLC [2] <br />
> Dyrenforth, James ><br />
Dziemianowicz, Stefan R<br />
el f Eager, Edward {{a|6033}} (37) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Tales of Magic / Eager]]<br />
Easton, M Coleman<br />
Eco, Umberto<br />
Eddings, David<br />
:elsf Eddison, E R {{a|169}} (15)<br />
4.. Edgerton, Teresa ,1949<br />
>:.el f Edwards, Amelia B > Ghost Stories [post-Gothic, Dickens successor] {{a|16355}} (39) <br />
4.. Edwards, Claudia J ,1943<br />
5.. Egan, Doris ,1955<br />
><s> Egbert, Floyd C ></s> = KENNETH MORRIS<br />
4.. Eisenstein, Phyllis ,1946<br />
> Eldridge, Paul ><br />
0- Eliade, Mircea ;1907<br />
> Eliot, T S ><br />
Elkin, Stanley<br />
3..elsf Elliott, Janice (23),1931<br />
> Elliott, Kate ><br />
><s> Ellison, Harlan </s> --deleted from SFE-F in favor of SFE3<br />
> Emerson, Jane ><br />
4.. Emerson, Ru ,1944<br />
Emery, Clayton<br />
2..elsf Emshwiller, Carol {{a|1274}} (13),1921<br />
EDl f Ende, Michael {{a|1513}} (60)<br />
Endore, Guy<br />
:el f Erckmann-Chatrian --joint pseud. {{a|6711}} (54)<br />
Erickson, Steve<br />
> Ericson, Eric ><br />
4.. Erskine, Barbara ,1944<br />
:el f Erskine, John {{a|160721}} (136) --mentioned concerning Twain's Adam and Eve<br />
Eshbach, Lloyd Arthur<br />
> Estes, Eleanor ><br />
?.. Estes, Rose ,19xx<br />
Etchison, Dennis<br />
#el f Euripides {{a|151942}} (798)<br />
><s> Everett, H D > Theo Douglas </s><br />
:elsf Ewers, Hanns Heinz {{a|19730}} (46)<br />
> Ewing, Juliana H ><br />
> Ex-Private X ><br />
> Fabyan, Robert ><br />
0- Fagunwa, D O ;1900<br />
4.. Fakinou, Eugenia ,1945<br />
:.el f Falconer, Lanoe {{a|82945}} (6) = Mary Elizabeth Hawker<br />
:el f Falkner, J Meade {{a|112729}} (21)<br />
:el f Farjeon, B L {{a|186036}} (84) --father (father, grandfather)<br />
:.el f Farjeon, Eleanor {{a|112169}} (149) --daughter (sister, aunt)<br />
3..el f Farmer, Penelope {{a|5978}} (32),1939<br />
Farmer, Philip José<br />
Farrington, Geoffrey<br />
> Faulcon, Robert ><br />
Feist, Raymond E<br />
Felitta, Frank de<br />
> Fell, Andrew ><br />
#el f Fénelon, François de Salignac de la Mothe {{a|215266}} (241) (La Mothe-Fénelon at ISFDB)<br />
> Fenn, Lionel ><br />
Fergusson, Bruce<br />
Fessier, Michael<br />
:el f Field, Eugene {{a|16819}} (141) --Sr, senior<br />
> Field, Gans T ><br />
:.el f Field, Rachel {{a|168466}} (68)<br />
Findley, Nigel<br />
Findley, Timothy<br />
Finney, Charles G<br />
Finney, Jack<br />
:el f Firbank, Ronald {{a|227015}} (41)<br />
><s> Firth, Violet M > </s><br />
> Fischer, Harry ><br />
> Fischer, Marjorie ><br />
Fisher, Paul R<br />
4.. Fisk, Pauline ,1948<br />
> Fiske, Tarleton ><br />
:el f Fitzgerald, F Scott {{a|20115}} (247) <br />
:el f Flaubert, Gustave {{a|2053}} (381) <br />
:elsf Flecker, James Elroy {{a|19645}} (25)<br />
> Fleming, Ian ><br />
> Fletcher, George U ><br />
Flint, Kenneth C<br />
> Flynn, Casey ><br />
:elsf Ford, Ford Madox {{a|70501}} (203) <br />
Ford, John M<br />
Ford, Richard<br />
:elsf Forster, E M {{a|1969}} (203) <br />
:.eLL f Fortune, Dion {{a|5931}} (42) +7 Firth = Violet Mary Firth Evans<br />
Foster, Alan Dean<br />
#el f Fouqué, Friedrich, Baron de la Motte {{a|16358}} (91) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Fouque]]<br />
Fowler, Christopher<br />
Fowles, John<br />
Fox, Gardner F<br />
:elsf France, Anatole {{a|16830}} (422) <br />
Frank, Frederick S<br />
5.. Franklin, Cheryl J ,1955<br />
: lwsf Fraser, [Sir] Ronald {{a|102033}} (25) --niEN <br />
Frayling, Christopher<br />
Frayn, Michael<br />
:el f Frazer, [Sir] James {{a|189007}} (116) = ISFDB: J. G. Frazer<br />
Frazer, Shamus<br />
:.el f Freeman, Mary E Wilkins {{a|2086}} (99) <br />
Friedman, Michael Jan<br />
5.. Friesner, Esther ,1951<br />
:elsf Friswell, Hain {{a|179491}} (29)<br />
Frith, Nigel<br />
Frost, Gregory<br />
Frost, Mark<br />
Frye, Northrop<br />
Fryer, Donald S<br />
Fuentes, Carlos<br />
Fuller, John<br />
5.. Furey, Maggie ,1955<br />
3..el f Furlong, Monica (37),1930<br />
5? Gaarder, Jostein ,1952<br />
5.. Gabaldon, Diana ,1952<br />
elsf Gaiman, Neil {{a|410}} (179)<br />
> Gaines, William M ><br />
> Galland, Antoine ><br />
Gallico, Paul<br />
><s> Gallister, Michael > </s><br />
> Gallon, Tom ><br />
> Galt, John ><br />
:eLsf Ganpat {{a|127698}} (16) +Ganpat (13) = Gompertz<br />
García Márquez, Gabriel<br />
Garcia Y Robertson, R<br />
1.. lwf Gard, Joyce {{a|109672}} (6);1911 = pseud Joyce Reeves<br />
Gardner, Craig Shaw<br />
elsf Gardner, John {{a|3087}} (61)<br />
el f Garfield, Leon {{a|5885}} (82)<br />
elsf Garner, Alan<br />
:. '''Garnett, Constance --translator mainly, daughter-in-law''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Garnett EN]<br />
:elsf Garnett, David {{a|1629}} (73), grandson<br />
:elsf Garnett, Edward {{a|146874}} (53), son<br />
:elsf Garnett, Richard {{a|2039}} (95)<br />
> Garou, Louis P ><br />
Garrett, Randall<br />
> Gascoigne, Bamber ><br />
Gascoigne, Marc<br />
4..elsf Gaskell, Jane {{a|3845}} (15);1941<br />
> Gautier, Judith ><br />
:el f Gautier, Théophile {{a|2028}} (302)<br />
Gawsworth, John<br />
5.. Geary, Patricia ,1951<br />
4.. Gedge, Pauline ,1945<br />
Gemmell, David A<br />
5.. Gentle, Mary ,1956<br />
#el f Geoffrey of Monmouth {{a|110957}} (44) <br />
:elsf Giesy, John Ulrich {{a|1908}} (7)<br />
:el f Gilbert, William {{a|2035}} (6)<br />
:el f Gilbert, [Sir] W S {{a|2036}} (597)<br />
3 Gilliland, Alexis A ,1931<br />
?.. Gilluly, Sheila ,19xx<br />
5.. Gilman, Greer Ilene ,1951<br />
> Gilmer, Ann ><br />
Godwin, Parke<br />
#el f Godwin, William {{a|1983}} (139)<br />
#el f Goethe, Johann W {{a|2065}} (2087) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Faust]]<br />
:el f Gogol, Nikolai {{a|237483}} (543)<br />
Gold, Horace L<br />
Golding, Louis<br />
elsf Golding, [Sir] William {{a|785}} (51) <br />
Goldman, William<br />
5.. Goldstein, Lisa ,1953<br />
Goodkind, Terry<br />
> Gopaleen, Myles na ><br />
> Gordon, Frances ><br />
Gordon, John<br />
Gorey, Edward<br />
0..el f Goudge, Elizabeth {{a|5825}} (100),1900<br />
Goulart, Ron<br />
:elsf Gourmont, Rémy de {{a|15620}} (118)<br />
# '''Gozzi, Carlo''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Gozzi EN]<br />
5.. Grabien, Deborah ,1954<br />
:elsf Grabiński, Stefan {{a|167301}} (8)<br />
:el f Grahame, Kenneth {{a|2306}} (222) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Grahame . TWitW]]<br />
> Grainville, Jean Cousin de ><br />
Grant, Charles L<br />
0..el f Grant, Joan {{a|146932}} (1);1907 = pseud (first marriage name) Joan Marshall Kelsey<br />
4elsf Grant, John {{a|123992}} (23),1949 = pseud Paul (le Page) Barnett<br />
5.. Grant, Kathryn ,1952 + historical romance under pseudonyms<br />
> Granville-Barker, Harley ><br />
Grass, Günter<br />
Gray, Alasdair<br />
Gray, Nicholas Stuart<br />
elsf Green, Roger Lancelyn {{a|10828}} (94), father of Richard L G<br />
Green, Roland J<br />
4.. Green, Sharon ,1942<br />
Green, Simon R<br />
Green, Terence M<br />
Greenberg, Martin H<br />
Greenland, Colin<br />
:elwf Greenwood, James {{a|228546}} (3) (about 20, many as by "Greenwood, James")<br />
4.. Gregorian, Joyce Ballou ,1946<br />
? lwf Griffiths, Alan {{a|188304}} LC "active 1934-39" (3) WorldCat (4)<br />
> Grile, Dod ><br />
# Grimm Brothers<br />
=El f Grimm, Jacob {{a|19912}} (1065)<br />
=El f Grimm, Wilhelm {{a|9071}} (888)<br />
:.el f Grimshaw, Beatrice {{a|1668}} (30)<br />
Grimshaw, Nigel<br />
Grimwood, Ken<br />
:el f Grin, Alexander {{a|70431}} (51)<br />
. 2..el f Gripe, Maria Kristina (38),1923 <br />
Grubb, Davis<br />
Grundy, Stephan<br />
> Guest, Lady Charlotte ><br />
Gunn, Neil M<br />
Gunnarsson, Thorarinn<br />
6.. Guon, Ellen ,1964<br />
Gygax, Gary<br />
:elsf Haggard, [Sir] H Rider {{a|138}} (293)<br />
. 3..el f Hahn, Mary Downing (49),1937<br />
Haining, Peter<br />
:.elsf Haldane, Charlotte {{a|100265}} (34) <br />
3.. lw f Haldeman, Linda (3),1935<br />
> Hale, James ><br />
> Halam, Ann ><br />
: lwwsf Halidom, M Y {{a|1200052}} (0) +1 Dryasdust [many + 7] <br />
= Dryasdust https://lccn.loc.gov/n90713983 (1)<br />
> Hall, Frances ><br />
> Hall, Rodney ><br />
5.. Hambly, Barbara ,1951<br />
> Hamilton, Clive ><br />
> Hamilton, John ><br />
6.. Hamilton, Laurell K ,1963<br />
> Hammond, Keith ><br />
Hancock, Neil<br />
5.. Hand, Elizabeth ,1957<br />
> Hank in Maggs ><br />
> Harding, Ross ><br />
Harding, Simon<br />
Hardy, Lyndon<br />
: '''Hargreaves, [Sir] Gerald''' --nidb --niEN.wiki<br />
Harman, Andrew<br />
Harpur, Patrick<br />
0..el f Harris, Christie {{a|148594}} (24);1907<br />
5.. Harris, Deborah Turner ,1951<br />
5.. Harris, Geraldine ,1951<br />
:el f Harris, Joel Chandler {{a|19914}} (144)<br />
Harris, MacDonald<br />
2..el f Harris, Rosemary {{a|16228}} (33),1923<br />
Harris, Wilson<br />
> Harrison, Jane E ><br />
Harrison, Michael<br />
Harrison, M John<br />
:elsf Hartley, L P {{a|548}} (45)<br />
Hartwell, David G<br />
:el f Harvey, William F {{a|16268}} (8)[many]<br />
Hasford, Gustav<br />
:el f Hauff, Wilhelm {{a|2025}} (153)<br />
:elsf Hauptmann, Gerhart {{a|113675}} (248) <br />
> Haviland, Virginia ><br />
> Havlasa, Jan ><br />
Hawke, Simon<br />
><s> Hawkwood, Allan > </s><br />
> Hawthorne, Hildegarde ><br />
:elsf Hawthorne, Julian {{a|17790}} (108) --son of Nathaniel Hawthorne <br />
:elsf Hawthorne, Nathaniel {{a|1959}} (751)<br />
> Hay, Timothy ><br />
Hazel, Paul<br />
:.el f H.D. = {{a|Delia Alton}} = Hilda Doolittle (94) <br />
:elsf Heard, Gerald {{a|1946}} (66)<br />
> Heard, H F ><br />
:EJl f Hearn, Lafcadio {{a|19738}} (281)<br />
:elsf Hecht, Ben {{a|19733}} (100)<br />
> Heide, Florence Parry ><br />
Heinlein, Robert A<br />
Helprin, Mark<br />
Henighan, Tom<br />
> Henry, Alan ><br />
Herbert, James<br />
5.. Herbert, Mary H ,1957<br />
> Herman, William ><br />
:. Heron, E & H --joint pseud. mother-and-son<br />
=:.*l f K(ate) Prichard (1851), mother {{a|120100}} (11) = Kate O'Brien (Ryall) Hesketh[-]Prichard --niEN (link EN: Hesketh Prichard) <br />
=:el f Hesketh Prichard {{a|120099}} (27) under Prichard, not H-P = Hesketh Hesketh-Prichard (0)<br />
> Heron-Allen, Edward ><br />
> Herzmanovsky-Orlando, Fritz von ><br />
:elsf Hesse, Hermann {{a|11094}} (395) <br />
4.. Heydron, Vicki Ann ,1945<br />
:elsf Hichens, Robert {{a|30943}} (112)<br />
5.. Hickman, Tracy ,1955<br />
5.. Hilgartner, Beth ,1957<br />
4.. Hill, Susan ,1942<br />
> Hilman, F Mchugh ><br />
Hilton, James<br />
Hjortsberg, William<br />
Hoban, Russell<br />
><s> Hobb, Robin > </s><br />
Hobson, [Sir] Harold<br />
5.. Hodgell, P C ,1951<br />
:elsf Hodgson, William Hope {{a|163}} (24)<br />
5.. Hoffman, Nina Kiriki ,1955<br />
#elsf Hoffmann, E T A {{a|19492}} (374)<br />
:el f Hofmannsthal, Hugo von {{a|96125}} (343)<br />
#el f Hogg, James {{a|76629}} (100) <br />
Holdstock, Robert P<br />
:elsf Holland, Clive {{a|190884}} (35) = Charles James Hankinson https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n90-637192 <br />
:. '''Holme, Constance''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Holme EN]<br />
Holt, Tom<br />
#elsf Homer {{a|20200}} (1198)<br />
> Homunculus [2] ><br />
Horwood, William<br />
:elsf Houghton, Claude {{a|181546}} (42) <br />
Household, Geoffrey<br />
:.el f Housman, Clemence {{a|7108}} (5)<br />
:elsf Housman, Laurence {{a|111581}} (177) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Laurence Housman]]<br />
2..el f Howard, Elizabeth Jane (26),1923<br />
elsf Howard, Robert E {{a|822}} (112), born 1906<br />
Howe, James<br />
:elsf Howells, William Dean {{a|11227}} (391)<br />
Howlett, Winston A ><br />
Hubbard, L Ron<br />
:elsf Hudson, W H {{a|7219}} (202)<br />
5.. Huff, Tanya ,1957<br />
Hughart, Barry<br />
Hughes, Robert Don<br />
elsf Hughes, Ted {{a|1742}} (164)<br />
Hugo, Victor > <br />
Hull, E Mayne ><br />
:elsf Hume, Fergus {{a|129099}} (59)<br />
Huneker, James ><br />
Hunt, Gill ><br />
Hunt, Peter<br />
:.el f Hunt, Violet {{a|19959}} (20) --daughter of Brothers Grimm translator, ''Grimm's Household Tales'' (2 vols., 1880)<br />
2..el f Hunter, Mollie {{a|5600}} (37),1922<br />
> Huxley, Aldous ><br />
:el f Huysmans, Joris-Karl {{a|5598}} (121)<br />
4.. Ingalls, Rachel ,1940<br />
:.el f Ingelow, Jean {{a|73761}} (71)<br />
><s> Ingoldsby, Thomas > </s> (Barham)<br />
Ionesco, Eugène<br />
1..el f Ipcar, Dahlov {{a|3563}} (50);1917<br />
#elsf Irving, Washington {{a|1971}} (968)<br />
:.el f Irwin, Margaret {{a|13651}} (many) (many as by "Irwin, Margaret" undifferentiated)<br />
Irwin, Robert<br />
1- Irwin, W R ;1915<br />
Jackman, Stuart<br />
:el f Jacks, L P {{a|147064}} (68) <br />
?.. l f Jackson, Rosemary {{a|148266}} (4),19xx<br />
1..elsf Jackson, Shirley {{a|694}} (64);1919<br />
Jackson, Steve<br />
Jackson, Steve [2]<br />
>:el . Jacobs, Joseph > Folklore; Folktales. ; {{a|17634}} (129) section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Joseph Jacobs]]<br />
Jacques, Brian<br />
Jakes, John W<br />
> James, Dynely ><br />
:elsf James, Henry {{a|1692}} (841) <br />
James, John<br />
:el f James, M R {{a|5578}} (130) <br />
> James, Philip ><br />
1..el f Jansson, Tove {{a|2148}} (91);1914<br />
> Jaroš, Peter ><br />
-el f Jarvis, Robin {{a|1663}} (9)<br />
Jefferies, Mike<br />
:elsf Jefferies, Richard {{a|17684}} (86)<br />
: w f Jenks, Almet {{a|230396}} --niLC [2, one work only]<br />
> Jenks, Jacquetta ><br />
:elsf Jepson, Edgar {{a|63971}} (33)<br />
:el f Jerome, Jerome K {{a|14339}} (116)<br />
> Johns, Jacob ><br />
Johnson, Charles<br />
> Johnson, Richard ><br />
? w f Johnston, Gunnar {{a|230441}} --niLC [5] <br />
:.elsf Johnston, Mary {{a|153903}} (51) <br />
Jones, Chuck<br />
3..elsf Jones, Diana Wynne {{a|593}} (81),1934 ; sister elw Ursula Jones {{a|176846}} (8) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Chrestomanci]]<br />
5.. Jones, Gwyneth ,1952<br />
5.. Jones, Jenny ,1954<br />
6.. Jones, J V ,1963<br />
Jones, Stephen<br />
Jones, Terry<br />
> Jonson, Ben ><br />
Jordan, Robert<br />
5- Joshi, S T ,1958<br />
Joyce, Graham<br />
:el f Joyce, James {{a|113840}} (502) <br />
el f Juster, Norton {{a|5534}} (25)<br />
> Kadare, Ismail ><br />
:elsf Kafka, Franz {{a|15578}} (355) <br />
Kangilaski, Jaan<br />
4.. Karr, Phyllis Ann ,1944<br />
:el f Kästner, Erich {{a|186176}} (176) <br />
4.. Katz, Welwyn ,1948<br />
0..elsf Kavan, Anna {{a|1372}} (42);1901 = "took the name AK by deed-poll"<br />
4.. Kaveney, Roz ,1949<br />
Kay, Guy Gavriel<br />
Kaye, Marvin<br />
:el f Kazantzakis, Nikos {{a|239493}} (128)<br />
Kearney, Paul<br />
#el f Keats, John {{a|22268}} (296) <br />
#el f Keightley, Thomas {{a|7869}} (54) ><br />
Kelleher, Victor<br />
:elsf Keller, David H {{a|1124}} (18)<br />
> Kelley, Thomas P ><br />
1..el f Kendall, Carol {{a|3091}} (15);1917<br />
> Kendall, Gordon ><br />
> Kendall, May ><br />
><s> Kennealy, Patricia > </s><br />
4.. Kennealy-Morrison, Patricia ,1946<br />
el f Kennedy, Richard {{a|5506}} (21) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Richard Kennedy]]<br />
> Kent, Kelvin ><br />
0.. lwf Kerby, Susan Alice pseud {{a|122630}} (17)[many];1908<br />
= pseud (Alice) Elizabeth Burton --libraries conflate with other Elizabeth Burtons<br />
3..el f Kernaghan, Eileen (8),1939<br />
4.. Kerr, Katharine ,1944<br />
:. lsf Kerruish, Jessie Douglas {{a|6706}} (6) <br />
Kersh, Gerald<br />
> Kesteven, Ambrosius ><br />
> <s>Key, Samuel M > </s> = Uel<br />
:e f Key, Uel {{a|122690}} --niLC [4] WorldCat: [http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-key,%20uel/ Uel] [http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-key,%20samuel%20whittell/ Samuel] [http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3AKey%2C+Samuel+Whittell%2C&qt=hot_author search au:Key, Samuel Whittel]<br />
><s> Keyne, Gordon > </s><br />
Kilworth, Garry<br />
King, Bernard<br />
> King, Clive ><br />
:.el f King, Jessie M {{a|193096}} (7) --illustrator mainly<br />
elsf King, Stephen {{a|70}} (258) + (15)<br />
King, Tappan<br />
:el f Kingsley, Charles {{a|2029}} (273)<br />
> Kingsley, Henry ><br />
> Kingsley, Mary ><br />
King-Smith, Dick<br />
elsf Kinsella, W P {{a|5484}} (43) --baseball <br />
:elsf Kipling, Rudyard {{a|1961}} (1908) [[User:Pwendt/People/Rudyard Kipling]]<br />
5.. Kirchoff, Mary L ,1959<br />
Kirkup, James<br />
5.. Kirstein, Rosemary ,1953<br />
4- Klein, T E D ,1947<br />
Knaak, Richard A<br />
:el f Knatchbull-Hugessen, E H {{a|168789}} (9)[many] = Lord Brabourne <br />
> Knickerbocker, Diedrich ><br />
:el f Knight, Eric {{a|16531}} (40+4) <br />
> Knowles, Rupert ><br />
:el f Knowles, Vernon {{a|127139}} (3)[many]<br />
> Kolár, Josef Jiří ><br />
: '''Kondratiev, Alexander''' --nidb --niEN.wiki<br />
Koontz, Dean R<br />
> Kossak-Szcczucka, Zofia ><br />
3- Koster, R M ,1934<br />
Kotzwinkle, William<br />
> Kramerius, Václav Rodomil ><br />
> Krasiński, Zygmunt ><br />
Krensky, Stephen<br />
4.. Kress, Nancy ,1948<br />
Kubasik, Christopher<br />
> Kubin, Alfred ><br />
: lwf Kummer, Frederic Arnold {{a|115484}} (59) <br />
Kundera, Milan<br />
Kurland, Michael<br />
4.. Kurtz, Katherine ,1944<br />
5.. Kushner, Ellen ,1955<br />
eLLsf Kuttner, Henry {{a|452}} (27) +8 Lewis Padgett, joint pseud.<br />
5.. Lackey, Mercedes ,1950<br />
LaFarge, Tom<br />
1- Lafferty, R A ;1914<br />
>17 La Fontaine, Jean de > Fable; Charles Perrault.<br />
:el f Laforgue, Jules {{a|124491}} (55) <br />
:.el f Lagerlöf, Selma {{a|5440}} (183) <br />
:el f Lagerkvist, Pär {{a|167237}} (79)<br />
><s> Lainez, Manuel Mujica > </s><br />
> Lamark, Drew ><br />
#el f Lamb, Charles {{a|189484}} (325) ; el-- Mary Lamb {{a|190794}} (112)<br />
:elsf Lamb, Harold {{a|19453}} (62) <br />
> Lambert, S H ><br />
:elsf Lambourne, John {{a|160703}} (23) <br />
4.. Lance, Kathryn ,1943<br />
Lancour, Gene<br />
Landolfi, Tommaso<br />
:elsf Lang, Andrew {{a|6880}} (474) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Andrew Lang]]<br />
elsf Langford, David {{a|752}} (10+1) --SFE3 co-editor<br />
= William Robert Loosley https://lccn.loc.gov/n88653112 (1)[1] https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n88-653112<br />
1- Langley, Noel ;1911<br />
> Langran, Maurice ><br />
> Langton, Jane ><br />
> Lanyard, Fortescue ><br />
La Plante, Richard<br />
5.. Larsen, Jeanne ,1950<br />
Larson, Randall D<br />
Lasdun, James<br />
4.. Laubenthal, Sanders Anne ,1943<br />
3- Launay, André ,1930<br />
> Launay, Droo ><br />
> Laurance, Andrew ><br />
:EFl f Lautréamont, Comte de {{a|16833}} (42) = Isidore Lucien Ducasse<br />
Lawhead, Stephen R<br />
4.. Lawrence, Ann ,1942<br />
:el f Lawrence, D H {{a|11632}} (558) <br />
4..elsf Lawrence, Louise {{a|1649}} (18),1943 = Elizabeth Holden<br />
:.elsf Lawrence, Margery {{a|15077}} (16) VIAF 126258545 [https://viaf.org/viaf/79287229/#Lawrence,_Margery,_1896-1969 VIAF 79287229]<br />
> Laws, Stephen ><br />
:el f Lawson, Robert --illustrator mainly {{a|13904}} (81) <br />
:el f Lear, Edward {{a|22266}} (243) <br />
4- Le Clézio, J-M G ,1940<br />
Lee, John<br />
Lee, Stan<br />
4..elsf Lee, Tanith {{a|105}} (71),1947<br />
:.el f Lee, Vernon, pseud. {{a|1965}} (79) = Violet Paget --half-sister<br />
> Leech, Ben ><br />
:el f Lee-Hamilton, Eugene {{a|22265}} (5) --half-brother<br />
:el f Le Fanu, J Sheridan {{a|1962}} (84) <br />
2..elsf Le Guin, Ursula K {{a|37}} (151),1929 ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Ursula K. Le Guin]]<br />
e s Leiber, Fritz {{a|38}} (67);1910<br />
1987 Tor double Echoes of valor https://lccn.loc.gov/98809481<br />
1990 Tor double The Fair https://lccn.loc.gov/98818853<br />
:el f Leland, Charles Godfrey {{a|120572}} (186)<br />
> Lelland, Frank ><br />
1..elsf L'Engle, Madeleine {{a|2923}} (32);1918<br />
#.el f Leprince de Beaumont, Madame Jeanne-Marie {{a|208738}} (59)<br />
3.. lwsf Lerman, Rhoda (12),1936<br />
1 '''Lerner, Alan Jay''' ;1918 --nidb<br />
:EDl f Lernet-Holenia, Alexander {{a|100741}} (62)<br />
:elsf Leroux, Gaston {{a|5395}} (165) <br />
> Lešehrad, Emanuel ><br />
:. lwf Leslie, Josephine {{a|115491}} (5) [many] = R. A. Dick <br />
> Level, Maurice ><br />
2.. lw f Levin, Betty (26),1927<br />
Levin, Ira<br />
#el f Levshin, Vasily {{a|186479}} (12) <br />
:elsf Lewis, C S {{a|301}} (394)<br />
:.el f Lewis, Hilda {{a|115885}} (38) <br />
#el f Lewis, Matthew Gregory {{a|631}} (115) <br />
:elsf Lewis, Wyndham {{a|49201}} (139)<br />
> Leyton, E K ><br />
Ligotti, Thomas<br />
0..el f Lindgren, Astrid {{a|29517}} (182);1907<br />
5.. Lindholm, Megan ,1952 = Robin Hobb pseud.<br />
:elsf Lindsay, David {{a|166}} (15)<br />
:el f Lindsay, Norman {{a|30344}} (65)<br />
:elsf Linklater, Eric {{a|13496}} (129) <br />
Lins, Osman<br />
:.el f Linton, Lynn {{a|82749}} (46) <br />
6.. Lisle, Holly ,1960<br />
4.. Lisle, Janet Taylor ,1947<br />
Little, Bentley<br />
3..el f Lively, Penelope {{a|5368}} (70),1933<br />
:. lwf Livingston, Marjorie {{a|233026}} (5) [14] <br />
Livingstone, Ian<br />
2- Lloyd, A R ,1927<br />
> Lloyd, Charles ><br />
3..el f Llywelyn, Morgan (42+),1937<br />
:elsf Lofting, Hugh {{a|5360}} (89) ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Doctor Dolittle]]<br />
0..el f Lofts, Norah {{a|9021}} (130+2);1904 + 2[2 titles only] as Juliet Astley<br />
= (0)[1] Peter Curtis https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n2013-028275<br />
6.. Logston, Anne ,1962<br />
:elsf London, Jack {{a|1975}} (588) <br />
Long, Frank Belknap<br />
> Long, John Luther ><br />
> Lord, Jeffrey ><br />
4.. Lorrah, Jean ,1940<br />
> Lorrain, Jean ><br />
> Loti, Pierre ><br />
:EFl f Louÿs, Pierre {{a|15210}} (132) <br />
:elsf Lovecraft, H P {{a|165}} (126) <br />
> Lovehill, C B ><br />
Lowder, James<br />
Luard, Nicholas<br />
#elsf Lucian {{a|115737}} (209) <br />
Lukeman, Tim<br />
Lumley, Brian<br />
> Lundwall, Sam J ><br />
><s> Lustbader, Eric > </s><br />
> Lyndell, Catherine ><br />
> Lynes, Russell ><br />
><s> Lynn, Eliza > </s> = Lynn Linton<br />
4.. Lynn, Elizabeth A ,1946<br />
><s> Lytton, Lord > </s> = Edward Bulwer-Lytton<br />
---- ---- 2019-12-30 above this line, first column is 1900s birth decade (> redirect, ? 19??, ! earlier) ---- ----<br />
> MacAuley, Charles Raymond ><br />
4..elsf Macavoy, R A {{a|390}} (8),1949<br />
McBain, Ed<br />
2..elsf McCaffrey, Anne {{a|176}} (138),1926<br />
> McCarthy, Cormac ><br />
><s> McCarthy, Justin > </s><br />
:el f McCarthy, Justin Huntly {{a|115704}} (89)<br />
McCarty, Dennis<br />
5..el f McCaughrean, Geraldine {{a|8291}} (72),1951<br />
> McCaughren, Tom ><br />
:elsf McCay, Winsor {{a|110372}} (55)<br />
McCormack, Eric P<br />
?.. McCrumb, Sharyn<br />
:elsf MacDonald, George {{a|139}} (364) [[User:Pwendt/People/George Macdonald]]<br />
><s> MacDonald, Golden > </s><br />
> Macdonald, James D ><br />
McEvilley, Thomas<br />
> MacEwen, Gwendolyn ><br />
> MacFall, Haldane ><br />
> Macfarlane, Stephen ><br />
McGirt, Dan<br />
McGowen, Tom<br />
> McHargue, Georgess ><br />
:elsf Machen, Arthur {{a|135}} (90) <br />
:el f McKenna, Stephen {{a|115867}} (82)<br />
> Mackey, Mary ><br />
McKiernan, Dennis L<br />
4..elsf McKillip, Patricia A {{a|1022}} (33),1948<br />
5..elsf McKinley, Robin {{a|2369}} (32),1952<br />
:el f MacLeish, Archibald {{a|16253}} (308) <br />
MacLeish, Roderick<br />
:eLL f MacLeod, Fiona, pseud. {{a|110109}} = William Sharp (61+42)<br />
> McNutt, Charles ><br />
> Macpherson, James ><br />
:EFlsf Maeterlinck, Maurice {{a|192075}} (339)<br />
.el f Mahy, Margaret {{a|2316}} (121),1936<br />
Mailer, Norman<br />
> Majors, Simon ><br />
> Malet, Lucas ><br />
> Mallarmé, Stéphane ><br />
#el f Malory, [Sir] Thomas {{a|31657}} (168) <br />
> Malvern, Jefferson D ><br />
#el f Mandeville, [Sir] John {{a|187161}} (63) <br />
Manguel, Alberto<br />
Mankowitz, Wolf<br />
><s> Mann, Jack > </s> = E C Vivian<br />
:el f Mann, Thomas {{a|13692}} (539) <br />
Manning-Sanders, Ruth > Raymond Briggs; Robin Jacques<br />
> Mara, Bernard ><br />
> Margroff, Robert ><br />
> Marie de France ><br />
> Marl, David J ><br />
Marley, Stephen<br />
#el f Marlowe, Christopher {{a|82613}} (219) <br />
:el f Marquis, Don {{a|16332}} (63)<br />
#el f Marryat, Frederick {{a|81561}} (221)<br />
> Marsh, Geoffrey ><br />
> Marshall, Alan ><br />
> Martens, Paul ><br />
Martin, George R R<br />
Martin, Graham Dunstan<br />
> Martin, John [2] ><br />
:elsf Martin, J P {{a|90281}} (4) <br />
4.. Martin, Valerie ,1948<br />
?.. Martine-Barnes, Adrienne<br />
:el f Masefield, John {{a|5274}} (352) <br />
- Matheson, Chris ,1958<br />
Matheson, Richard<br />
Matheson, Richard Christian<br />
:Flsf Matson, Norman {{a|83517}} (11)[many] https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no93-020499<br />
#elsf Maturin, Charles R {{a|1595}} (35) <br />
:el f Maugham, W Somerset {{a|5267}} (529) <br />
><s> Maupassant, Guy de > </s><br />
3..elsf May, Julian {{a|291}} (183),1931 + several pseudonyms <br />
Mayne, William<br />
> Meagher, Maude ><br />
6.. Meier, Shirley ,1960<br />
:elsf Melville, Herman {{a|2032}} (581) <br />
> Meredith, Owen ><br />
:elsf Merritt, A {{a|613}} (32) <br />
- Merwin, W S ,1927<br />
:elsf Meyrink, Gustav {{a|5218}} (58) <br />
> Mickiewicz, Adam ><br />
? Middleton, Haydn ,1955<br />
> Middleton, Martin ><br />
:el f Middleton, Richard {{a|2041}} (9)[many]<br />
> Miffkin, Patton H ><br />
Milán, Victor<br />
> Miles Gloriosus ><br />
Miller, Ian<br />
Millhauser, Steven<br />
:el f Milne, A A {{a|5194}} (572) <br />
#el f Milton, John {{a|92197}} (800) <br />
> Mirbeau, Octave ><br />
:.el f Mirrlees, Hope {{a|7214}} (8)<br />
:.elsf Mitchison, Naomi {{a|1735}} (107) <br />
- Modesitt, L E Jr ,1943<br />
:.el f Molesworth, Mary {{a|124751}} (65) (Mrs. Molesworth) > Children's Fantasy. etc<br />
> Molière ><br />
> Molin, Charles ><br />
> Molyneux, Bingham T ><br />
> Momaday, N Scott ><br />
> Mompesson, Sergius ><br />
Monaco, Richard<br />
Monteleone, Thomas F<br />
4.. Moon, Elizabeth ,1945<br />
elsf Moorcock, Michael {{a|140}} (131 as MM)<br />
Moore, Alan<br />
Moore, Brian<br />
1..eLLsf Moore, C L {{a|453}} (12);1911 +8 Lewis Padgett, joint pseud.<br />
- Morgan, Chris ,1946<br />
:elsf Morley, Christopher {{a|5153}} (219) <br />
Morressy, John<br />
4.. Morris, Janet E ,1946<br />
2.. Morris, Jean ,1924<br />
:el f Morris, Kenneth {{a|2846}} (10)<br />
:elsf Morris, William {{a|305}} (344)<br />
Morrow, James<br />
> Mortimer, Evan Gregson ><br />
> Morton, Anthony ><br />
> Morus, Cenydd ><br />
Morwood, Peter<br />
Mujica Lainez, Manuel<br />
Mulisch, Harry<br />
:elsf Mundy, Talbot {{a|2118}} (47) = Gribbon, William Lancaster<br />
Munn, H Warner<br />
> Murphy, Dennis Jasper ><br />
> Murphy, Jill ><br />
. Murphy, Pat ,1955<br />
.. Murphy, Shirley Rousseau ,1928<br />
> Murphy, Warren B<br />
> Murray, Frieda A ><br />
> Murray, Margaret ><br />
#el f Musäus, Johann Karl {{a|179989}} (23) <br />
Myers, Edward<br />
Myers, John Myers<br />
:ERlsf Nabokov, Vladimir {{a|15974}} (235)<br />
Nadir, A A ><br />
:elsf Nathan, Robert {{a|2342}} (88) <br />
Neiderman, Andrew ><br />
:el f Nerval, Gérard de {{a|76941}} (167)<br />
:.elsf Nesbit, E {{a|5098}} (140) ; daughter '''Rosamund E. Nesbit Bland''' (2) --nidb [[User:Pwendt/People/E. Nesbit]]<br />
:el f Newbolt, [Sir] Henry {{a|112892}} (61)<br />
Newlove, Donald<br />
- Newman, Kim ,1959<br />
Newman, Robert<br />
4.. Newman, Sharan ,1949<br />
:-elsf Nichols, Beverley {{a|10051}} (120) = John B N<br />
:elsf Nichols, Robert {{a|131770}} (30)<br />
4.. Nichols, Ruth ,1948<br />
:elsf Nicholson, Joseph Shield {{a|131772}} (23)<br />
Niles, Douglas<br />
.el f Nimmo, Jenny {{a|5089}} (27),1944<br />
:elsf Nisbet, Hume {{a|19897}} (2)<br />
Niven, Larry<br />
#elsf Nodier, Charles {{a|16549}} (113)<br />
Nolan, William F<br />
Norfolk, Lawrence<br />
> Norman, Jay ><br />
Norman, John<br />
><s> North, Andrew > </s><br />
1..elsf Norton, Andre {{a|209}} (212+);1912<br />
= Andrew North (pseud.) (1) ''Voodoo Planet'' and ''Plague Ship''<br />
= Alice Mary Norton (birth name) https://lccn.loc.gov/n88063436 (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/51013839 ''Huon''<br />
= Allen Weston --joint pseud. (1) non-genre<br />
0..el f Norton, Mary {{a|1376}} (44);1903 [[User:Pwendt/People/Mary Norton]] ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#The Borrowers]]<br />
> Norvil, Manning ><br />
:elsf Noyes, Alfred {{a|19748}} (114) <br />
5..elsf Nye, Jody Lynn {{a|1432}} (37),1957 ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Crossroads Adventure publication series]]<br />
el f Nye, Robert {{a|5059}} (51) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Robert Nye]]<br />
3.. Oates, Joyce Carol ,1938<br />
> O'Brien, David Wright ><br />
O'Brien, Flann ;1911 = Brian O'Nolan or Briain ÓNuallàin<br />
> Ocampo, Silvina ><br />
Offutt, Andrew J<br />
O'Hagan, Howard ><br />
O'Hara, Kenneth ><br />
Okri, Ben<br />
:.el f Oliphant, Mrs {{a|79773}} (249)<br />
:el f Onions, Oliver {{a|15191}} (60)<br />
4.. Ore, Rebecca ,1948<br />
5.. Orr, A ,1950 = Alice Ingram Orr Sprague<br />
Orwell, George<br />
? O'Shea, Pat ,1931<br />
> Ossian > Celtic Fantasy<br />
:el f O'Sullivan, Vincent {{a|17777}} (19)<br />
#el f Ovid {{a|19918}} (684)<br />
Owen, Frank<br />
2.. Ozick, Cynthia ,1928<br />
><s> Padgett, Lewis > </s> joint Kuttner & Moore<br />
- Page, Norvell W ;1904<br />
> Paget, Francis Edward > > Children's Fantasy.; Fairytale<br />
:elsf Pain, Barry {{a|18225}} (26)<br />
Palmer, Thomas<br />
6.. Palwick, Susan ,1960<br />
1..eLLf Pargeter, Edith {{a|2173}} (38+66);1913 = Ellis Peters, pseud.<br />
Parkinson, Dan<br />
: '''Parry, [Sir] Edward Abbott''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Abbott_Parry EN]<br />
<s> Paton, Ephraim Soulsby > > Kenneth Morris</s><br />
3..elsf Paton Walsh, Jill {{a|4999}} (54),1939<br />
><s> Pattrick, William > pseud Peter Haining</s><br />
Pavič, Milorad<br />
4.. Paxson, Diana L ,1943<br />
><s> Paye, Robert > pseud Marjorie Bowen</s><br />
><s> Payne, Alan > > John W Jakes.</s><br />
> Peacock, Thomas Love > > Arthur; Flood; Ghost Stories.<br />
Peake, Mervyn<br />
2..elsf Pearce, Philippa {{a|4991}} (42),1920 ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Philippa Pearce]]<br />
Pei, Mario<br />
> Péladan, Joséphin > > Decadence<br />
><s> Penalurick, Jan > > Charles de Lint</s><br />
> Percy, Thomas > > Romance<br />
#el f Perrault, Charles {{a|20007}} (380) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Perrault]]<br />
> Perrault, Pierre > French folklorist (1678-1700) --son<br />
:EDlsf Perutz, Leo {{a|132231}} (54) <br />
><s> Peters, Ellis > pseud Edith Pargeter</s><br />
><s> Peyton, Richard > pseud Peter Haining</s><br />
:.el f Phelps, Elizabeth Stuart {{a|15188}} (86) +4Ward +1Adams<br />
><s> Phillips, Michael > pseud Charles Beaumont, sometimes with William F Nolan</s><br />
:eLLsf Phillpotts, Eden {{a|212}} (256) +4 Hext Harrington<br />
: lwwsf Phylos the Thibetan {{a|205327}} (2+7)[13+9] = Frederick Spencer Oliver<br />
5.. Pierce, Meredith Ann ,1958<br />
5..el f Pierce, Tamora {{a|867}} (57),1954<br />
Pike, Christopher<br />
Pini, Richard<br />
5.. Pini, Wendy ,1951<br />
Pinkwater, Daniel M<br />
:elsf Pirandello, Luigi {{a|157712}} (303) <br />
#el f Planché, James Robinson {{a|122692}} (127) <br />
:elsf Poe, Edgar Allan {{a|622}} (944) [[User:Pwendt/People/Edgar Allan Poe]]<br />
#elsf Polidori, John {{a|19743}} (25) <br />
> Pollack, Frederick > > Posthumous Fantasy.<br />
4.. Pollack, Rachel ,1945<br />
:elsf Pollock, Walter Herries {{a|6881}} (26) <br />
3.. lw f Poole, Josephine {{a|4942}} (18),1933<br />
1..el f Pope, Elizabeth Marie {{a|473}} (7);1917 <br />
'''Postgate, Oliver''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Postgate EN]<br />
#elsf Potocki, [Count] Jan {{a|4935}} (23) <br />
:.el f Potter, Beatrix {{a|173620}} (384) <br />
><s> Power, Cecil > pseud Grant Allen</s><br />
6.. Power, Susan Mary ,1961<br />
Powers, Tim<br />
:elsf Powys, John Cowper {{a|132147}} (130) <br />
> Powys, Llewelyn > third brother<br />
:el f Powys, T F {{a|20010}} (48) <br />
:.el f Praed, Mrs [Rosa Campbell Praed] {{a|132339}} (25) <br />
5.. Prager, Emily ,1952<br />
4.. Prantera, Amanda ,1942<br />
elsf Pratchett, Terry {{a|155}} (105) <br />
:elsf Pratt, Fletcher {{a|532}} (94) <br />
Pratt, Theodore<br />
<s> Preedy, George R > pseud Marjorie Bowen</s><br />
Preiss, Byron<br />
<s> Prescot, Dray > pseud Kenneth Bulmer</s><br />
:elsf Price, E Hoffmann {{a|525}} (6)[many] <br />
Priest, Christopher<br />
:elsf Priestley, J B {{a|1261}} (338)<br />
elsf Pringle, David {{a|719}} (15)<br />
Proença, M Cavalcanti > > Brazil<br />
.. Prose, Francine ,1947<br />
elsf Pullman, Philip {{a|2692}} (53)<br />
#el f P'u Sung-Ling [Pu Songling] {{a|126880}} (190) <br />
:el f Pyle, Howard {{a|6311}} (188)<br />
Pynchon, Thomas<br />
> Q ><br />
> Questing, Frank ><br />
:el f Quiller-Couch, [Sir] Arthur {{a|2088}} (156)<br />
> Quinet, Edgar ><br />
:elsf Quinn, Seabury {{a|755}} (9)<br />
#elsf Rabelais, François {{a|20438}} (190) <br />
Rabkin, Eric S<br />
> Rachilde ><br />
#.el f Radcliffe, [Mrs] Ann {{a|17155}} (71) <br />
Raeper, William<br />
> Ramal, Walter ><br />
> Ramsay, Jay ><br />
:elsf Ramuz, Charles-Ferdinand {{a|223637}} (163) <br />
> Randolph, Ellen ><br />
Rankin, Robert<br />
Ransmayr, Christoph<br />
:elsf Ransome, Arthur {{a|74131}} (87) <br />
5.. Rasmussen, Alis A ,1958<br />
#elsf Raspe, Rudolf Erich {{a|1980}} (19) <br />
5.. Rawn, Melanie ,1954<br />
> Rayner, Olive Pratt ><br />
Rayner, William<br />
:elsf Read, [Sir] Herbert {{a|37023}} (268) <br />
Reamy, Tom<br />
Reaves, J Michael<br />
Redgrove, Peter<br />
Reed, Jeremy<br />
#.el f Reeve, Clara {{a|29851}} (16) <br />
el f Reeves, James {{a|82345}} (125)<br />
Reeves-Stevens, Garfield<br />
5.. Reeves-Stevens, Judith ,1953<br />
Reichert, Mickey Zucker<br />
> Reid, Desmond ><br />
:el f Reid, Forrest {{a|116057}} (38)<br />
2..el f Reid Banks, Lynne {{a|n80028565}} (66),1929<br />
:el f Remizov, Alexei {{a|208268}} (109) <br />
0..el f Renault, Mary {{a|1384}} (51);1905<br />
> Reynolds, Quintus ><br />
4..elsf Rice, Anne {{a|103}} (59),1941 + {{done}}<br />
= Anne Rampling (1) https://lccn.loc.gov/n86121823 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n86-121823<br />
= A. N. Roquelaure (4) https://lccn.loc.gov/n82114065 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n82-114065<br />
> Rice, James ><br />
Richard, Mark<br />
> Richards, Sean ><br />
Richardson, Maurice<br />
:.el f Riddell, [Mrs] J H {{a|1598}} (38) <br />
4.. Riley, Judith Merkle ,1942<br />
Rivkin, J F --joint pseud. of unknown 20c writers<br />
:el f Robbins, Tod {{a|19170}} (8)[many] <br />
Robbins, Tom<br />
5.. Roberson, Jennifer ,1953<br />
> Robert de Boron ><br />
> Roberts, [Sir] Charles G D > ??<br />
Roberts, John Maddox<br />
Roberts, Keith<br />
5.. Roessner, Michaela ,1950<br />
Rogers, Mark<br />
Rogers, Mark E<br />
Rohan, Michael Scott<br />
:elsf Rohmer, Sax {{a|1656}} (144) <br />
> Rolt, L T C ><br />
> Ronson, Mark ><br />
Rooke, Leon<br />
Rosenberg, Joel<br />
# '''Rosencreutz, Christian --Rosicrucian founder''' --nidb (13) https://lccn.loc.gov/n50083276 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Rosenkreuz EN]<br />
Rosendorfer, Herbert<br />
> Rosny aîné, J H ><br />
> Ross, Clarissa ><br />
> Ross, Dana ><br />
m Ross, Marilyn, pseud. = William Edward Daniel Ross (one of at least 20 names) ;1912<br />
> Ross, Olin ><br />
:.el f Rossetti, Christina {{a|118364}} (150) <br />
> Rossiter, Jane ><br />
Roszak, Theodore<br />
> Rousseau, Jean-Jacques ><br />
Rovin, Jeff<br />
Rowley, Christopher<br />
Ruark, Robert C<br />
1- Rubião, Murilo ;1916<br />
Ruff, Matt<br />
6.. Rusch, Kristine Kathryn ,1960<br />
Rushdie, Salman<br />
:el f Ruskin, John {{a|19491}} (604) ; section [[User:Pwendt/FFM#Ruskin]]<br />
> Russ, Joanna ><br />
:elsf Russell, W Clark {{a|132202}} (121)<br />
Ryman, Geoff<br />
:el f Rymer, James Malcolm {{a|20009}} (4)[many] <br />
Saberhagen, Fred<br />
><s> Sage, Juniper > </s> = Margaret Wise Brown (first joint with Edith Thacher Hurd)<br />
Saint-Aubin, Horace de ><br />
:elsf Saki {{a|1204}} (65) <br />
5.. Salmonson, Jessica Amanda ,1950<br />
:el f Salten, Felix {{a|206101}} (129) <br />
Saltykov, Mikhail ><br />
- Salvatore, R A ,1959<br />
3.. Sampson, Fay ,1935<br />
San Souci, Robert D<br />
e s Sarban<br />
Sargent, Carl<br />
Saunders, Charles R<br />
7.. Savage, Felicity ,1975<br />
3.. Saxton, Josephine ,1935<br />
Scanziani, Piero<br />
4.. Scarborough, Elizabeth Ann ,1947<br />
Scavone, Rubens Teixeira ><br />
# '''Schikaneder, Emanuel --librettist''' --nidb (161) https://lccn.loc.gov/n82227327 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Schikaneder EN] http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=schikaneder_emanuel <br />
Schmidt, Dennis A<br />
Schweitzer, Darrell<br />
Scithers, George H ><br />
- Scliar, Moacyr ,1937<br />
> Scot, Michael ><br />
> Scotland, Jay ><br />
Scott, Allan<br />
> Scott, Jeremy ><br />
6.. Scott, Melissa ,1960<br />
el f Scott, Michael {{a|931}} (32 +5)<br />
#el f Scott, [Sir] Walter {{a|2069}} (1189)<br />
el f Selden, George {{a|221970}} (24) +1 Terry Andrews --The Cricket in Times Square genre?<br />
1973 The Genie of Sutton Place [https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/119610863/6D013D931E154403PQ/1?accountid=11311] NYT 1973-05-06 Spring 1973 list<br />
https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/148470239/6D013D931E154403PQ/2?accountid=11311 WP -05-13<br />
https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/170412803/6D013D931E154403PQ/3?accountid=11311 CT -06-17<br />
https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/119862161/pageviewPDF/6D013D931E154403PQ/4?accountid=11311 NYT -06-24 pageview<br />
: no ISBN "Dell, 1974, (c)1973" o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2354825]<br />
: two ISBN (c)1973 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/797094388]<br />
: ISBN 0374425302 [https://www.amazon.com/Genie-Sutton-Place-George-Selden/dp/0374425302 at Amazon] Look inside 6th printing cover art (c)1994, first Sunburst 1984 ; o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/473727550] o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/17835926] 1984 (c)1973 Sunburst ; Fo[http://www.worldcat.org/title/genie-of-sutton-place/oclc/658116/editions?start_edition=11&sd=asc&referer=di&se=yr&editionsView=true&fq=]<br />
<br />
> Sellwood, A V ><br />
Sendak, Maurice --illustrator mainly<br />
# '''Seneca, Lucius Annaeus''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_the_Younger EN: Seneca the Younger]<br />
> Sernine, Daniel ><br />
4.. Service, Pamela F ,1945<br />
> Seth, Vikram ><br />
> Seton, Ernest Thompson ><br />
Seuss, Dr --illustrator mainly<br />
Severn, David<br />
?.. Seymour, Miranda<br />
#elsf Shakespeare, William {{a|22499}} (7967) [[User:Pwendt/People/Shakespeare]]<br />
0..el f Sharp, Margery {{a|19972}} (78);1905 <br />
:elsf Shaw, George Bernard {{a|17781}} (867) <br />
Shea, Michael<br />
><s> Shearing, Joseph > pseud Marjorie Bowen</s><br />
#.elsf Shelley, Mary {{a|1836}} (289) <br />
#el f Shelley, Percy Bysshe {{a|2070}} (469) <br />
Shelley, Rick<br />
Shepard, Lucius<br />
5.. Sherman, Delia ,1951<br />
Sherman, Frank Dempster ><br />
4.. Sherman, Josepha ,1946<br />
Sherrell, Carl<br />
Shetterly, Will<br />
:elsf Shiel, M P {{a|4728}} (32) <br />
5.. Shinn, Sharon ,1957<br />
1.. lwf Shuler, Linda Lay {{a|4722}} (3);1910<br />
4.. Shwartz, Susan M ,1949<br />
> Siegel, Barbara ><br />
Siegel, Scott<br />
> Sienkiewicz, Henryk ><br />
Silke, James R<br />
elsf Silverberg, Robert {{a|54}} (270)<br />
Simak, Clifford D<br />
> Šimánek, Josef ><br />
Simmons, Dan<br />
m Simpson, N F ;1919<br />
Sinclair, Andrew<br />
> Sinclair, Catherine ><br />
Sinclair, Clive<br />
:elsf Sinclair, Upton {{a|20435}} (520) <br />
el f Singer, Isaac Bashevis {{a|1383}} (167) <br />
4.. Singer, Marilyn ,1948<br />
:el f Sitwell, Sacheverell {{a|167329}} (184) <br />
> Skaldaspillir, Sigfridur ><br />
'''Skinner, Martyn''' --nidb; born 1906 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyn_Skinner EN stub]<br />
Skipper, Mervyn<br />
elsf Sleator, William {{a|518}} (24)<br />
0..el f Sleigh, Barbara {{a|30719}} (18);1906<br />
> Slowacki, Juliusz ><br />
Smeds, Dave<br />
:el f Smith, Arthur D Howden {{a|15211}} (27)<br />
:elsf Smith, Clark Ashton {{a|819}} (36) <br />
Smith, David C<br />
:.el f Smith, Dodie {{a|174261}} (69) <br />
6.. Smith, Julie Dean ,1960<br />
> Smith, Junius B ><br />
m Smith, Nyx ,19xx<br />
5.. Smith, Stephanie A ,1959<br />
:elsf Smith, Thorne {{a|1313}} (44) <br />
5.. Smoodin, Roberta ,1952<br />
5.. Snodgrass, Melinda M ,1951<br />
> Snow, Jack ><br />
> Snowdon, Evan ><br />
5.. Snyder, Midori ,1954<br />
2..el f Snyder, Zilpha Keatley {{a|2502}} (58),1927<br />
> Soloviev, Vladimir ><br />
> Somadeva ><br />
m Somtow, S P ,1952<br />
> Songweaver, Cerin ><br />
m Sørensen, Villy ,1929<br />
: '''Sousa, John Philip --composer''' --nidb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Philip_Sousa EN]<br />
:elsf Southesk, the Earl Of {{a|148146}} (5)<br />
https://legionmagazine.com/en/2003/01/beware-the-windigo/ --evidently from 1859/1860 diary of journey in the plains ; also<br />
1862 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/35999287]<br />
1876 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/13392480], 52-page poem -HDL <br />
1976/1899 https://lccn.loc.gov/75046307 o[http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2317572]<br />
#el f Southey, Robert {{a|114888}} (200) <br />
m Souto, Marcial ,1947<br />
> Soyka, Otto ><br />
1..el f Spark, Muriel {{a|16326}} (126);1918<br />
6..e f Spedding [Alison Louise] {{a|3483}} (20),1962 --no English-lang library records?<br />
:el f Spence, Lewis {{a|19875}} (86)<br />
Spencer, William Browning<br />
#el f Spenser, Edmund {{a|114708}} (205) <br />
4..el f Springer, Nancy {{a|587}} (57),1948<br />
> Spunda, Franz ><br />
elsf Stableford, Brian M {{a|556}} (53)<br />
> Staines, Trevor ><br />
4.. Stanton, Mary ,1947<br />
:el f Starrett, Vincent {{a|15960}} (81)<br />
Stasheff, Christopher<br />
# '''Statius, Publius Papinius''' --nidb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statius EN]<br />
> Steele, V M ><br />
> Steiner, K Leslie ><br />
:el f Stephens, James {{a|13629}} (79)<br />
> Stephens, Reed ><br />
> Sterling, George ><br />
:el f Sterling, John {{a|2064}} (9) <br />
:.elsf Stevens, Francis {{a|2017}} (4) = Mrs Gertrude (Barrows) Bennett <br />
:elsf Stevenson, Robert Louis {{a|1964}} (1293) <br />
5.. Stevermer, Caroline ,1955<br />
1..el f Stewart, Mary {{a|2362}} (57);1916<br />
Stewart, Sean<br />
> Stockbridge, Grant ><br />
:elsf Stockton, Frank R {{a|1968}} (165)<br />
:elsf Stoker, Bram {{a|650}} (210)<br />
> Stokes, Manning Lee ><br />
-el f Stonier, G W {{a|119544}} (12);1903<br />
Straub, Peter<br />
:elsf Stribling, T S {{a|13182}} (32) <br />
Strickland, Brad<br />
:el f Strindberg, August {{a|168921}} (434) <br />
> Strobl, Karl Hans ><br />
Strugatsky, Arkady<br />
Stuart, Francis<br />
elsf Sturgeon, Theodore {{a|56}} (62) <br />
> Suassuna, Ariano ><br />
> Sucharitkul, Somtow ><br />
:el f Sue, Eugène {{a|4558}} (159) <br />
Süskind, Patrick<br />
2..el f Sutcliff, Rosemary {{a|1532}} (88),1920<br />
> Švantner, František ><br />
Swahn, Sven Christer<br />
Swann, Thomas Burnett<br />
Swanwick, Michael<br />
#elsf Swift, Jonathan {{a|303}} (540) <br />
> Swinburne, Algernon > ??<br />
Swithin, Antony<br />
Symonds, John<br />
:.el f Syrett, Netta {{a|254822}} (37)<br />
+sister-illustrator :. w .Syrett, Nellie {{a|178887}}<br />
Szilagyi, Steve<br />
> Takei, George ><br />
><s> Tallis, Robyn > pseud Debra Doyle</s><br />
4.. Tannen, Mary ,1943<br />
> Tarnmoor, Salvator R ><br />
5.. Tarr, Judith ,1955<br />
6.. Tartt, Donna ,1964<br />
Taylor, Keith<br />
Taylor, Roger<br />
# '''Tchulkov, Mikhail''' --nidb --niEN.wiki --"along with the more talented writer Vasily Levshin, created Russian fantasy as a genre"<br />
3.. Tennant, Emma ,1937<br />
> Tenneshaw, S M ><br />
> Tennyson, Alfred Lord ><br />
> Teophilo, de Rodolpho ><br />
2.. Tepper, Sheri S ,1929 = E E Horlak, pseud.<br />
:el f Thackeray, William Makepeace {{a|119470}} (484)<br />
Themerson, Stefan<br />
- Thomas, D M ,1935<br />
Thomas, Dylan ;1914<br />
Thomas, Roy<br />
> Thomas, Thomas T ><br />
Thompson, Paul B<br />
> Thompson, Ruth Plumly ><br />
> Thornley, Richard ><br />
:elsf Thurber, James {{a|13001}} (166) <br />
:el f Thurston, E Temple {{a|82993}} (66) <br />
> Ticheburn, Cheviot ><br />
#el f Tieck, Johann Ludwig {{a|96093}} (151)<br />
Timlett, Peter Valentine<br />
:elsf Timlin, William M {{a|146305}} (6)<br />
> Titmarsh, M A ><br />
:.el f Todd, Barbara Euphan {{a|108828}} (9) <br />
Todorov, Tzvetan<br />
el f Tolkien, Christopher {{a|2328}} (49) > J R R TOLKIEN<br />
:elsf Tolkien, J R R {{a|302}} (230) <br />
Tolstoy, Nikolai<br />
> Tomline, F ><br />
> Tompkins, Wentworth ><br />
:.el f Travers, P L {{a|36455}} (65);1899 ; section [[User:Pwendt/Series#Mary Poppins]]<br />
el f Treece, Henry {{a|22756}} (79);1911<br />
Tremayne, Peter<br />
Trevor, Meriol ><br />
Tryon, Thomas<br />
:el f Turgenev, Ivan {{a|19779}} (531) <br />
5.. Tuttle, Lisa ,1952<br />
Tutuola, Amos<br />
:elsf Twain, Mark {{a|160}} (1546) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Twain]]<br />
:elsf Tweed, Thomas F {{a|171014}} (4)[same] 2 novels only, under 4 titles<br />
> Two Wags ><br />
> Umansky, Kaye > > (1946-? ) US writer. > Children's Fantasy.<br />
:.el f Underhill, Evelyn {{a|158871}} (90)<br />
Updike, John<br />
:.el f Uttley, Alison {{a|4471}} (97)<br />
><s> Vace, Geoffrey > > Hugh B Cave</s><br />
?? Van Asten, Gail ,19xx --debut 1988<br />
1-elsf Vance, Jack {{a|}};1916 (101) <br />
5..el f Vande Velde, Vivian {{a|1546}} (41),1951<br />
:el f Vane, Sutton {{a|279823}} (13) <br />
> van Gulik, Robert > > Oriental Fantasy.<br />
Van Lustbader, Eric ,1946<br />
2-elsf Vansittart, Peter {{a|4462}},1920 (38) <br />
1-elsf van Vogt, A E {{a|58}};1912 (21) <br />
Vardeman, Robert E ,1947<br />
'''Veiga, José J''' --nidb {{a|}};1915 () http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=veiga_jose_j<br />
><s> Vergil > </s><br />
> Verlaine, Paul > > Decadence<br />
:elsf Viereck, George {{a|107682}} (59)<br />
:elsf Villiers de L'Isle-Adam, Comte De {{a|19935}} (58) <br />
:el f Vines, Sherard {{a|160515}} (17) <br />
4.. Vinge, Joan D ,1948<br />
><s>Vipont, Elfrida > Raymond Briggs.</s> minor co-author<br />
#el f Virgil {{a|110868}} (995) <br />
:elsf Visiak, E H {{a|82633}} (13)<br />
:elsf Vivian, E C {{a|6696}} (20+) --three pseudonyms, not identified at WorldCat<br />
= Charles Cannell no97041031 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no97-041031<br />
= Barry Lynd nb2007017003 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-nb2007-017003<br />
= Jack Mann no95021935 https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no95-021935<br />
?.el f Volsky, Paula {{a|2246}},19xx (9) --debut 1982 <br />
Von Aue, Hartmann > > (?1160-?1215) German chronicler. > Arthur.<br />
#el . Von Eschenbach, Wolfram > > Arthur; Perceval. 12/13th century {{a|183029}} (86) <br />
#el . Von Strassburg, Gottfried > > Arthur. 12/13th century {{a|222268}} (45) <br />
el f Wagenknecht, Edward {{a|101461}};1900 (86)<br />
Wagner, Karl Edward ,1945<br />
:el f Waite, A E {{a|117721}} (97)<br />
:el f Wakefield, H Russell {{a|14349}} (15)<br />
:el f Waley, Arthur {{a|147813}} (106)<br />
5.. Walker, Wendy ,1951<br />
el f Wall, Mervyn {{a|1745}};1908 (8)<br />
2-el f Wallop, Douglass {{a|}},1920 (29) <br />
#el f Walpole, Horace {{a|629}} (192)<br />
0..el f Walton, Evangeline {{a|1506}} (14);1907<br />
4.. Wandor, Michelene ,1940<br />
0-elsf Wandrei, Donald {{a|}};1908 (3) <br />
el f Wandrei, Howard {{a|1149}};1909 (2)<br />
Wangerin, Walter Jr ,1944<br />
><s> Warborough, Martin Leach > </s> = pseud Grant Allen<br />
: '''Ward, Christopher''' --nidb --niEN.wiki<br />
><s> Ward, Elizabeth Stuart Phelps > </s><br />
4.. Warner, Marina ,1946<br />
elsf Warner, Rex {{a|169878}};1905 (87) <br />
:.el f Warner, Sylvia Townsend {{a|7092}} (75) <br />
5.. Warrington, Freda ,1956<br />
Watson, Ian ,1943<br />
Watt-Evans, Lawrence ,1954<br />
3.. Waugh, Sylvia ,1935<br />
Weaver, Michael D ,1961<br />
Webber, Collin ,1939<br />
> Weber, Henry William > > (1783-1818) UK anthologist. > Anthologies.<br />
Weinberg, Robert ,1946<br />
Weir, Peter ,1944<br />
4.. Weis, Margaret ,1948<br />
Weisman, Jordan K ,????<br />
> Weiss, Jan > > (1892-1972) Czech writer. > Czech Republic; Slovakia.<br />
Wellman, Manly Wade {{a|}};1903 ()<br />
Wells, Angus ,1943<br />
:elsf Wells, H G {{a|65}} (760) [[User:Pwendt/People/H. G. Wells]]<br />
><s> Wells, John Jay > </s> joint Marion Zimmer Bradley; Juanita Coulson<br />
6.. Wells, Martha ,1964<br />
> Wendelessen ><br />
> West, John ><br />
:.el f West, [Dame] Rebecca {{a|82909}} (97) <br />
Westall, Robert ,1929<br />
><s> Weston, Allen > </s><br />
:.el f Weston, Jessie L {{a|206062}} (50) <br />
> Wham, Tom ><br />
:.el f Wharton, Edith {{a|19663}} (345) <br />
Wharton, William ,1927<br />
:elsf Wheatley, Dennis {{a|4379}} (119)<br />
Whitbourn, John ,1958<br />
> White, Babbington ><br />
:el f White, E B {{a|2046}} (97) <br />
elsf White, T H {{a|2322}} (83) <br />
:el f Whitehead, Henry S {{a|1214}} (4)[many] <br />
Whittemore, Edward ,1933<br />
:elsf Wilde, Oscar {{a|1599}} (758) ; section [[User:Pwendt/People#Wilde]]<br />
> Wilder, Alan ><br />
3.. Wilder, Cherry ,1930<br />
:el f Wilder, Thornton {{a|128182}} (216) <br />
> Wildredge, Thomas J ><br />
><s> Wilkins-Freeman, Mary E > </s><br />
Wilks, Mike ,1947 --illustrator mainly<br />
3..el f Willard, Nancy {{a|2319}} (75),1936<br />
6.. Willey, Elizabeth ,1960<br />
:elsf Williams, Charles {{a|255}} (94) <br />
above Williams, Garth ;1912 --illustrator mainly<br />
> Williams, Mark ><br />
Williams, Michael ,1952<br />
> Williams, Roswell ><br />
Williams, Tad ,1957<br />
Williamson, Chet ,1948 <br />
elsf Williamson, Jack {{a|256}};1908 (69) <br />
el f Williamson, J N (Gerald Neal) {{a|1436}},1932 (18) <br />
Williamson, Philip G ,1955<br />
4..elsf Willis, Connie {{a|99}},1945 (19)<br />
Wilson, Colin {{a|}},1931 ()<br />
Wilson, David Henry {{a|}},1937 ()<br />
Wilson, F Paul {{a|}},1946 ()<br />
elsf Wilson, Gahan {{a|1560}},1930 (55) --cartoonist<br />
> Wilson, J Arbuthnot ><br />
><s> Winch, John > </s><br />
5.. Windling, Terri ,1958<br />
5.. Winterson, Jeanette ,1959<br />
> Witkiewicz, Stanislaw Ignacy ><br />
:elsf Wodehouse, [Sir] P G {{a|13508}} (477) <br />
elsf Wolfe, Gene {{a|171}},1931 (69)<br />
elsf Wollheim, Donald A {{a|826}};1914 (36) <br />
: Wollheim founded the publisher DAW Books Inc. <br />
: edited a number of science fiction anthologies and wrote the Mike Mars series and several other science fiction novels, some under the pseudonym David Grinnell)<br />
= David Grinnell https://lccn.loc.gov/no98116666 (4)<br />
- Wongar, B ,1932<br />
4.. Wood, Bridget ,1947<br />
Wood, Wallace --Comics artist<br />
> Woodcott, Keith ><br />
> Woodforde, Christopher ><br />
:.elsf Woolf, Virginia {{a|4308}} (320) ; :el Leonard Woolf {{a|201306}} (104) <br />
3.. Woolley, Persia ,1935<br />
:.elwf Worrell, Kathleen L {{a|263118}} (0) [2] <br />
[https://search-proquest-com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/docview/534589102/1197313E20C477FPQ/1?accountid=11311] The Sun 1920-04-14 advertisement for April ''Physical Culture'', "Venus had spoken to this frail American girl" (only hit 'Kathleen l. worrell' 1920 1929)<br />
5.. Wrede, Patricia C ,1953<br />
:elsf Wright, Farnsworth, ed. {{a|1130}} (1) --editor, Weird Tales<br />
2..el f Wrightson, Patricia {{a|2364}} (26),1921<br />
5.. Wurts, Janny ,1953<br />
> Wyatt, Horace ><br />
:el f Wyke-Smith, E A {{a|3208}} (1)<br />
:.el f Wylie, Elinor {{a|4292}} (43)<br />
> Wylie, Jonathan = joint pseud. h/w Mark and Julia Smith<br />
4..elsf Yarbro, Chelsea Quinn {{a|360}},1942 (79+12)<br />
:elsf Yeats, William Butler {{a|22704}} (566) <br />
elsf Yep, Laurence {{a|708}} (82),1948<br />
3..elsf Yolen, Jane {{a|250}} (359),1939<br />
:.el f Young, Ella {{a|783}} (20)<br />
elsf Young, Robert F {{a|391}};1915 (6) <br />
0..el f Yourcenar, Marguerite {{a|211321}} (108);1903 <br />
> Záborský, Jonáš ><br />
elsf Zelazny, Roger {{a|69}},1937 (81) <br />
> Zeyer, Julius ><br />
elsf Zimmer, Paul Edwin {{a|356}},1943 (4)<br />
el f Zipes, Jack {{a|10593}},1937 (75)<br />
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- male<br />
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[ m ?male ]<br />
[ + ?? ]<br />
: {{done}} born before 1900, all those in the database (those not in database marked '''boldname''' "--nidb")<br />
: {{done}} 2018-09-08, women born 1900 to 1920 (marked ";190?" or ";191?")<br />
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># '''Andreae, Johann''' > > Alchemy; Rosicrucianism<br />
#el f Apel, Johann August {{a|210857}} (15) <br />
#el f Apuleius {{a|2066}} (178)<br />
#el f Ariosto, Lodovico {{a|3843}} (200)<br />
#el f Aristophanes {{a|254732}} (454) <br />
#.el f Aulnoy, Madame D' {{a|110753}} (71) <br />
#el f Austin, William {{a|114964}} (9)</div>
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<p>Pwendt: /* Self-approver status */ Thanks. --acknowledged after "vacation" longer than I anticipated</p>
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<div>{{welcome}} --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 15:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Tough Guide to Fantasyland ==<br />
Hello, I have left a reply to your note at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#DAW Tough Guide to Fantasyland]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 15:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Signature ==<br />
<br />
Regarding your question "Do I need a main User page in order for the four tildes to generate a User talk page link?"<br />
<br />
To add a link to your talk page to your <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> signature you edit the Nickname field on '''[[Special:Preferences]]'''. I suspect at present the nickname is set to:<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]<br />
to add a link to the talk page make it<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]<br />
Because this example is on your talk page the example is displaying as "|'''talk'''" rather than as a clickable link. On other pages it will be a link to this page.<br />
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Some users are adding superscripts or parentheses.<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]<sup>[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]</sup></nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]<sup>[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]</sup><br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User:Pwendt|]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Pwendt|talk]])</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Pwendt|talk]])<br />
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If you don't want a red link then just link to the talk page:<br />
: <code><nowiki>--[[User talk:Pwendt|]]</nowiki></code> which displays as --[[User talk:Pwendt|Pwendt]]<br />
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Changes to the nickname won't fix pages that you had signed earlier using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 19:36, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Done using 'Pwendt|talk'. This is one test. [[User:Pwendt|&#91;&#91;User:Pwendt&#124;&#93;&#93;&#124;&#91;&#91;User talk:Pwendt&#124;talk&#93;&#93;]] 23:29, 9 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks. Following exchange with Mhhutchins at the Help Desk, done with the same nickname and "Raw signatures (without automatic link)". This is a another test. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 10 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::As this test show, the "talk" doesn't link when it's posted on the page to which it is linked. Took me a second to realize that! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:04, 10 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Author data ==<br />
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I accepted your submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?176002 this author]'s data, but had to make a few corrections. The Legal Name field should be entered in the format: Lastname, Firstname Middlename. Also I changed the Wikipedia link from the German version to the English version. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:14, 13 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. I see that another reviewer quietly rearranged a First Middle Last yesterday. <br />
: I missed your note then, probably because I supposed that my "new messages" notice at the database referred to your preceding note. Now I will learn whether a reply to the *latest* message alone will turn off that notice. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:58, 17 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: Yes, it does turn off the notice.<br />
:: P.S. Just now I submitted a change for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1455224 that author's book], the correct publ date for book 3 in a series we don't have. Not finding "Add New Series" in the left margin and finding I am too tired to look further now, so i am warned "Unknown Series". Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:04, 18 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Don't be afraid of the "unknown series" warning. It just means we don't have it in the database, or it could be in a different name. The slightest variation will generate the warning, which allows you the opportunity to search the db or to submit when you're certain that the series name you've provided is correct. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:58, 18 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::: Thanks --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:32, 24 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Since you're making an effort to add the Wikipedia link to these author's data summary, you could simultaneously update the birthdate and birth place data as well. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:04, 26 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::OK, I'll use "My Recent Edits" to revisit those people at Wikipedia-EN. <br />
::::::Do I add "language: English" by default because English is my language setting?<br />
::::::I noticed one evident duplicate and didn't quickly find how to merge people, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?77305 author 77305] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?170359 author 170359]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:54, 26 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Demigod Files'' ==<br />
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Instead of updating the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?534240 publication record] for the first edition, changing it to a third printing, you should have cloned the record and creating a new record based on your copy. I've created another record for the first printing. Now you'll need to change the publication date to "0000" (displayed as "unknown") if the third printing date isn't stated and update the Note saying the data is from Amazon. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. Just now I submitted a next stage with this Note to Moderator:<br />
: Augmentation in progress, primary transient verification to follow.<br />
: This contents listing omits 5 "interviews" with campers that span p64-76; a puzzle, etc, and answers that span p134-142. None worth the length of their titles but is there an alternative? The text of the first story does run p5-29 as the submitted contents listing now roughly implies but the other two stories run p33-63 and p85-133 which is not roughly implied here.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:57, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: And Antonio Caparo, The Demigod Files (character illustrations) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1933227 ISFDB Title Record # 1933227] --a title that I composed as the 8-page insert is not mentioned in the book table of contents-- update with this Note to Moderator<br />
:: The illustrations featured in this copy are 8 of the 26 now displayed by Disney at the bottom of its Percy Jackson and the Olympians series page [http://readriordan.com/series/percy-jackson-and-the-olympians/]. As these may be the most important 8 among those 26 characters, I suppose that all copies of the book contain the same selection. I don't know whether this Disney page is one that should be linked in the public note; I guess not because I suppose the crucial content is not stable.<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:21, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::You should probably add the information that you provided in the Note to Moderator field to the Note field. As I've said before, the Note to Moderator field disappears, and should only be ''about the submission'' and not about the publication. It is used to aid the moderator in their decision to accept the submission. Also, you don't have to duplicate the Note to Moderator when responding to a message here on your talk page. It's unnecessarily redundant (which I suppose is unnecessarily redundant itself! :)<br />
:::You have the option to link to pertinent websites in a special field of a title record, which you can do for the character illustrations if you wish. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:49, 16 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Done: submitted extensions to the Publication notes from material in the Moderator notes quoted here. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:21, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Foundling'' ==<br />
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Submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547462 this record] was accepted, but I made the following changes:<br />
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* Disambiguated the titles of works which have generic titles<br />
* Changed the title of the map to the ISFDB standard<br />
* Changed the credit of the pronunciation guide from "unknown" to "uncredited". The former should be used only if the editor/publisher of the work acknowledges that the author of the work isn't known.<br />
* Fixed the Note field to add bullet points to every note (the last one was entered after the bulleted points.) <br />
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Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:09, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Can you advise me what is to be done when a generic title needs to be reused --further disambiguated again. Or not. If "About the Author" in a book of another title is identical, do we use a single title? and if so fashioned how? If another map of Prydain is not listed in the contents, provided with a heading, or internally titled, what to call it? Reuse "Prydain" (map) with a different date? What if one of those titles if available and with what priority? <br />
: For example, the map of Prydain (c) 1964 Evaline Ness, in the same style but different in content, which illustrates ''The Book of Three'' *is* internally titled "The Land of Prydain", internally meaning part of the artist's design. And for example, I know by examination that Henry Holt reused "About the Author" in multiple Prydain titles and editions, if not other Lloyd Alexander books too.<br />
: Perhaps there is an obvious place for me to read the instructions or the discussion concerning these issues. (I expect to return to Prydain rather fully only in December.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:28, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Any generic titles, like "Introduction", "Preface", "Afterword", "About the Author", etc. must be parenthetically disambiguated with the title of the publication in which they are contained. If the exact same work appears in other publications, then the records will have to be merged, if they have the same author credit and title, or varianted if they do not. Variants are based on a change in author credit, or a change in title, but not a change in text. <br />
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::Maps can be titled based on a caption, or a title within the map itself. If they are not titled, they should be given the title of the work they illustrate, just like all records typed as INTERIORART. They are given the title "Title of Work (map)" to distinguish them from other illustrations that may be contained in the same publication. If they appear in other publications, one title should be determined by a consensus of the primary editors, and the records can be merged, otherwise each will retain their title and then varianted to the record of its first publication. If there are specific cases for which you have questions, you can post it on the [[ISFDB:Help desk]]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:52, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: Thanks.<br />
::: By the way, reading [[Help:Screen:NewPub#General contents]] i see that I entered correct page numbers for The Foundling (which I primary verified) only by accident, because the table of contents gives the numbers of pages where contents begin rather than the numbers of chapter title pages. <br />
::: Almost certainly I followed a table of contents that does give page numbers of standalone chapter title pages when I entered The Demigod Files [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?534240]. The last sentence of my careful notes makes this clear, "Text of the first story does span p. 5-29 as this listing roughly implies ..." (listing gives page 3). No disaster. Instructions show that a verifier must also complete the Contents list, whose irritatingly trivial items I passed over (same Note).<br />
::: Thank you for your time and good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::I would suggest in the future that you never use a publication's contents page to enter titles into an ISFDB publication record. It may take a while longer to go through each page of a book or magazine, but it makes for a more accurate record of the publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Throne of Fire'' ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to add a new record of this title. It appears to be identical to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346772 this record]. Is there a reason for not updating the existing record instead of creating a new one? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:12, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Hi, Mhh ;-)<br />
: Only that this copy specifies first printing with no date other than 2011 copyrights while the existing record specifies May 2011 without printing number. I know that s/he/we/they editors would not have the printing number in Amazon data but I (mis?)understood that to be the point of your note above that I should (and you did put into effect) cloned rather revision of the first edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547336 ISFDB Publication Record # 547336].<br />
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::That's because the publication you were working with was clearly indicated as a third printing. We have to assume that records from secondary sources (like Amazon) give the publication date of the first printing. That's why you should not have overwritten that record. Once you did that I had no choice but to clone the original to create a record for the first printing which would have disappeared because of your submission changing it to a third printing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:35, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I see now that Kirkus did cover The Throne of Fire with a contemporary review and provide Publ date 2011-05-03 that matches both month and day of our "Data from Amazon and Worldcat as of 2012-08-31." in the record we have. Kirkus Reviews ''The Throne of Fire'' [https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/rick-riordan/throne-fire]. This is relevant broadly (had I looked for it yesterday, say) but from you I infer that it is not crucial. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: I can't say I never thought of doing such a thing, just overlooked. For The Serpent's Shadow last week I replaced citation of Amazon with "Kirkusreviews.com gives publ. date 2012-05-01 from contemporary review (-06-01 in print) as archived."<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:59, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Publication dates are provided by the publisher to both the retailer (Amazon) and the reviewer (Kirkus). So you can cite any reliable secondary source for data that isn't present in the publication itself. I don't know of any publisher who actually states the ''day of publication'' in the books themselves. Amazon provides the exact date for 99% of all books published since their inception in the mid-90s, and that date can be used in ISFDB records, ''as long as you cite the secondary source for data that's not present in the actual publication.'' [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:31, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'm still holding your submission. If you believe your copy is the same one represented by the current record, regardless of the publication date given in the record, please cancel it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:05, 19 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::: I am traveling with occasional short stints online, only a moment now. Do you mean cancel this and augment the other record with the new data? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:54, 19 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Title reference content record ==<br />
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When creating a publication record, don't add a content record for the title itself, but only for other contents. The system does that automatically. So when you add a NOVEL-typed record, a title reference record is created for the NOVEL. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?548363 this publication record] and you'll see that there are now two content records for the novel. Let me know when you've read this so that I can remove one of them from the record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:02, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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You made the same mistake with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?548364 this record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:03, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: I see, that is because I am not adding a title, which is already in the system (and linked to a series in this case, "Mary Poppins in the Park • [Mary Poppins • 4]"). Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:57, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: If you use the "Add publication to this title" function, as you did in both of these cases, you shouldn't add a content title for the title to which you're adding a publication. (Hope that makes sense.) In the future, when you're creating a new publication record, regardless of the type of publication or the function you use to create it, do not create a content title for the work itself. I'll clean up the record and remove (and delete) the duplicate titles. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:19, 24 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: It makes sense. The matter now is to recall the point when looking at an empty contents list. Thanks for your help. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:36, 25 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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I have provided a partial answer at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#A Wizard of Earthsea]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 22:54, 27 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Mary Poppins in the Park'' ==<br />
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I've accepted your submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?83118 this record], but not before cloning it to create another record for what is presumably the first printing. If in the future you see that the publication is not a first printing, either stated or inferred from a number line, you should clone the existing record since it usually represents the first printing unless stated. I also zeroed the date field to show that the publication date of this second printing is not known. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:45, 8 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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About the page count field, adding brackets around a number indicates that there is a range of unnumbered pages on which significant content appears. So they should never be placed around roman numbers, since that indicates that the pages are roman numbered. What were your intentions in this case? And what appears on the "+[1]" page? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:48, 8 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Page "+[1]" --or 283, immed. following 282 where the novel ends with "Chelsea, London, etc" in nonfiction voice-- is about the author, untitled and uncredited, in the publisher's voice. Now after rereading instruction on what to leave out --viz. [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Contents included with exceptions]] (sec 2.3 bullet 2)-- that it qualifies as "otherwise insignificant". Rereading the same Help, sec 1.5 "Pages", it follows that 282 rather than "282+[1]" is correct.<br />
: None of the 20 pages preceding page 1 carries a roman numeral number. The map, pp [iv-v] in my notation, begins on the second sheet of ordinary stock, verso and ends on the third sheet, recto. The primary purpose of roman numerals in the update as submitted is to locate the map on the 4th/5th of 20 pages that precede page 1. I think also that I was pleased to count them, find 20; count the pages beyond page 282, find 2; and calculate 304 pages as stated by Amazon, presumably from the publisher's count of 152 sheets ordinary stock.<br />
: On page xvii in my notation there is an untitled note from the writer PLT explaining that Mary Poppins 4 is unlike books 1-3. It isn't a novel in some senses the first three are novels (chronological sequence of episodes, albeit loose; MP arrives in the first one, MP leaves in the last one; etc). I don't plan to suggest that it be recatalogued as COLLECTION, because i suppose it is so commonly considered a novel that it would merely be confusing to say otherwise. But I thought it note somewhere. Possibly I introduced roman numerals because I had in mind citing this later as page xvii of xx.<br />
: [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages]] (sec 1.5 sub-bullet 3) together with sec 2.6.2 "Page" imply that "[20]+282" is the correct format or syntax if it will be done, with "[4]" and "[17]" page references for the map and the author's note if they are entered as Contents. <br />
: I will now submit an update that covers incorporates all this as I understand it ... done. Feel free to reject or hold with comment here. I expect to be here for only several more minutes but again in 12 to 20 hours.<br />
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:;Author's Note, ''Mary Poppins in the Park'' <!-- note to self for now<br />
transcribe or describe this somewhere, maybe Wikipedia <br />
Have we no wiki pages for titles? Only for series and publications it appears to me now, visiting title Mary Poppins in the Park and its parent series and child publ. <br />
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:''Identical in the 1952 American edition and in this 1997/2006? edition/printing.''<br />
:"The adventures in this book should be understood to have happened during any of the three visits of Mary Poppins to the Banks family [books 1 to 3]. This is a word of warning to anybody who may be expecting they are in for a fourth visit. She cannot forever arrive and depart. And, apart from that, it should be remembered that three is a lucky number.<br />
:"Those who already know Mary Poppins will also be familiar with many of other characters who appear here. And those who don't--if they want to know them more intimately--can find them in the earlier volumes. // P. L. T.<br />
:--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:24, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach ==<br />
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I have replied to your message at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 07:17, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I added another reply to [[User talk:Marc Kupper#Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 08:21, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Author's Note (Mary Poppins Opens the Door)" ==<br />
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I changed the date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1942007 this record] from 1943 to 1944. We use the date a work is first published, not when it was written. It's highly probable that this appeared in the first publication of the novel. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:29, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I also found the date when [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1941942 this essay] was first published. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:48, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. In fact I thought to enter the original paper as a New Essay, based on data in the omnibus pp 1022-24, but I didn't see how to add new essay *and* it occurred to me that, if unpublished, it should not be in the database at all. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:40, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, it was published...but in a nongenre publication. That's why I recorded it in the Note field and changed the date of the record to the date of its first publication. We wouldn't use the date on which the paper was presented, since that doesn't represent an actual publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:30, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== 2nd printing of ''The Black Cauldron'' ==<br />
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When you cloned the record for the first printing to create [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551383 this record] for the second printing, you kept the original publication date. I have changed it to "0000". Be careful when cloning that you carefully examine the data in each field that is being retained. I personally do not use the "Clone This Pub" function if the publication isn't a container-typed record, i.e. a COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, or OMNIBUS. I use the "Add Publication to This Title" function for NOVEL-typed records. This avoids the strong possibility of copying the wrong data to a new publication record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:21, 11 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Creating Bibliography and Biography wiki pages ==<br />
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When creating [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:Margot_Zemach this page], you removed the template which links it back to the author's summary page in the database. There's a warning at the time of creation that tells editors to not remove the header which looks like this:<br />
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{{AuthorHeader}}</nowiki><br />
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Once you've acknowledged reading this message, I will restore the template so that the page is linked. Keep this in mind in the future when creating any bibliography or biography pages on wiki. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Yes I have read this and I have read the deletion log notice at [[Bio:Margot Zemach]] --which turned from blue to red as I was writing you about that very point. Blue preview, red save! --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:43, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I've restored the link by adding the template <nowiki>{{AuthorHeader}}</nowiki> to the top of the page. If you come across any other Bibliographic comments wiki page without a link back to the database, simply add that template in an edit to the page. By the same principle, you can add <nowiki><br />
{{BioHeader}}</nowiki> to a Biography page with a missing link. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:56, 18 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Wolves of Willoughby Chase'' ==<br />
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I'm not sure if there should be two separate records for the interior art in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?552854 this publication]. From your notes it appears that the two artists are the same. Also, there's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50348 another record] for what is almost the same edition. The only difference is the price, and being from a secondary source, it's suspect. 01:21, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]]<br />
: The cover designs do not match (re Amazon we have discussed that some online sources mix-and-match cover images and editions/printings; I know that is true of WorldCat also). The cover design of my book matches the 3rd and 5th images in our [ [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/titlecovers.cgi?13699 current display of all covers], rather than the 2nd image or the 8th 13th and 15th images, all from the same cover art by Edward Gorey. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:11, 25 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I've pointed out earlier that the cover images attached to unverified records should not be the basis for creating separate records, especially if that's the only difference. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:24, 26 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it best to enter interiorart data based on what is explicit in the book. With time for some exploration now, I find confirmation at CopyrightEncyclopedia.com, a source new to me. [http://www.copyrightencyclopedia.com/the-wolves-of-willoughby-chase-by-joan-aiken-illustrated-by/ "''The Wolves'' ... by Pat Marriott, pseud. of Patricia Eleanor Howard"]. To me it seems clear that both names should be in the database with this note and I will submit the pseudonym--legalname relation now, no action on the two interiorart records. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:11, 25 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Now i submitted only Howard as legal name of Marriott. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:23, 25 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::But according to your record the book explicitly credits Pat Marriott on the title page as the illustrator. We don't use copyright data to determine credit unless there is no other credit in the publication. If all the illustrations are by the same person, there's no reason to create a separate content record for another name credited on the copyright page. If you've determined that her legal name was "Patricia Eleanor Howard", and unless there is not a record which explicitly credits Howard, then we don't need to create a pseudonym and variant. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:24, 26 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: I was able to ascertain the identity of Patricia Eleanor Howard and Pat Marriott --that is, to find the one source CopyrightEncyclopedia.com linked above-- only later and upon some investigation. I think you suggest, or urge, that Patricia Eleanor Howard appear in the Legal Name and Note fields of the database only; not Alternative Names until if/when we have some genre publication published under that name. So the INTERIORART title that I created should be deleted rather than "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work", which would make [P.E.H.] one of Pat Marriott Alternate Names. [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, the publication record should only contain a single content record for the work as it is credited in the publication. Any variants are created for titles but that should be no concern when you're working from a publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Supposing one INTERIORART content for this book (perhaps to be used eventually for all U.S. eds and some later U.K. eds illustrated by Marriott), I think it should carry the later date 1963. That is, maintain at least two Wolves of Willoughby Chase interiorart titles for Marriott rather than one (merge all) the 1962 date of the first ed. I say this by analogy to the expansion of a SHORTFICTION or fix-up of a COLLECTION (or a collection of SHORTFICTION never published as a COLLECTION) as a NOVEL. Do you agree? [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::It should carry the date of the publication unless it can be determined that the work appears in an earlier publication. Even if we have yet to create a record for the publication, you can change the date of any later reprints of the same work. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: Somewhere, presumably under Help:, there is stricture concerning the merger of interiorart records for a single fiction title, to proceed iirc only if the full set of illustrations is used in both editions. I don't find it easily now and may recall incorrectly. [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::My opinion: This is basically a '''fiction''' database (the "F" in ISFDB), and any effort to record individual works of art is beyond the purposes of this database. If we know an artist illustrated a novel, and that a later printing of that novel contain illustrations from the same artist, it's not incumbent upon the editor to confirm that all of the illustrations are identical before merging the title records which represent '''the illustrating of the novel'''. Requiring that an ISFDB editor make such positive identification of each interior art record would be impossible. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: I wait for reply before any editing of ''The Wolves'' records. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hello, in the note field, you should use the HTML syntax (with tags) instead of the wiki one (with brackets). If not, it will lead to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?552975 such display]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:49, 26 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Notifying primary verifiers of changes to PV records ==<br />
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It is ISFDB policy to first discuss most changes to primary verified records with the verifying editors before making those changes. If you're adding notes to the record, you can usually do the notification simultaneously with the submission. Most editors have a notification preference at the top of their talk pages. I had to reject the submission to add contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11134 this PV record] for that reason. (Also, because the title and author of one of the content records was reversed, e.g. an essay titled "Bill Fawcett" authored by "Introduction...".) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:33, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I just noticed that had discussed it with the editor. (It was from about a week ago and I missed it.) I will try to reconstruct the changes to the notes, and enter the contents (correctly credited and titled). Again, sorry. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:36, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I see you made a subsequent submission to make the corrections. Rejecting the first submission before making a second submission to correct it would have been better, especially if I had accepted the submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:39, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Yearling ed. of ''Peter Graves'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?554604 this publication]: the format of the catalog number as it appears on the spine, "440-6889-075", is an early method some publishers used for paperbacks. The first three digits are the SBN-assigned publisher number which later became part of the ISBN. The second set of numbers is the publisher's catalog number. And the last set of numbers is the price designation. The catalog number, in this case "6889", would usually appear on the front cover as well. If there is no other number on the book, you can enter this number into the ISBN/Catalog # field of the ISFDB record, preceded by the "#" symbol. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:43, 6 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: (as I said) Back cover "010-014" may be catalog number but ...<br />
: Probably that means recommended ages 10 to 14. I'll get back to it but not today. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover: The Sea of Monsters ==<br />
:::: ''export notes to self [mistakenly posted here last hour 18:36, from both top and bottom of this section to [[User talk:Pwendt#Rick Riordan]] --Pwendt 19:38''<br />
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Hello, I've rejected your submission to change the date to 2014 for a 2006 publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1130253 here]. Can you be more precise regarding what you're intending to achieve? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 19:16, 9 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: My Recent Edits shows that you accepted at 14:14:41 so I surmise that you returned to undo that by hand (and database 14:14:41 is wiki 19:41, or one or the other displays the hour as relatively). Now I see too that the same change of date was accepted 2015-12-17 22:47:28 along with the prose Note (mine).<br />
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: I was trying correctly to date the cover art by John Rocco whose image we link there, per explanation in the Note. Of course, it was not used on the cover of the listed 2006 publication, which was perhaps the first edition of the novel --not verified, so correction of the cover image is for its someday primary verifier to correct, right?<br />
: What happens if the cover record is unlinked from the only publication that currently links it?<br />
: FYI the displayed cover is used in the 2014 boxed set where we display an image of the box with three books inside it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?445539 Publ 445539].<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:02, 9 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::As I understand what you wrote, the cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82094 for this publication] is not the correct one (it's a later -2014- cover art). If you're sure of this and depending on the data you have, don't hesitate to (either) 1) change the cover of the 2006 publication by uploading the correct one (use the "Upload new cover scan" and enter the URL), 2) link the 2006 publication to another correct amazon cover (just change the URL), 3) completely remove the cover record (via "Remove Titles From This Pub") leaving the 2006 publication as a coverless record (which is perfectly authorized as it's not PVed). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 09:11, 10 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: As an aside, I wonder whether moderators (not I) are able to check whether the field Image URL has been revised since a publication record was primary verified? (I know that the manual urges editors to be cautious about revising primary verified records, and to give notice at the user pages of the primary verifiers before/when they submit such revisions, and that some moderators check for such notices before they approve such submissions.) <br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::When the amazon (or ISFDB) URL is changed, the submission passes in the moderator's queue and is approved (we saw both the old and new images) so there's a limited check (personally, I tend to trust what's submitted and don't always check the covers' precise dates). The only case when there's no check is when a new image is uploaded via the "upload cover scan" which is a non-moderator-approved process. But, as we're limited in disk space, the moderators "hunt" for images with multiple versions, allowing for some degree of control. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:21, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: ''export notes to self [mistakenly posted here last hour 18:36, from both top and bottom of this section to [[User talk:Pwendt#Rick Riordan]]'' --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:38, 11 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Harcourt Young Classics ed. of ''Mary Poppins'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?555136 this record]: I changed the publication date from "1934" to "0000" (displayed as "unknown"). Nothing in your notes indicate this printing was published in 1934, and with an ISBN, it's impossible. Also, can you confirm how the publisher is stated on the title page? Harcourt Young Classics appears to be an imprint of Harcourt. According to the Amazon "Look Inside", the publisher is "Harcourt, Inc." which we enter as simply "Harcourt". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:45, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Title page displays "Harcourt, Inc."; copyright page gives street address including "Harcourt, Inc."<br />
: I presume that all of Harcourt Young Classics, Odyssey Classics, HMH Children's Books, HMH Books for Young Readers --from this book and other recent eds of Mary Poppins here and at Amazon-- are imprints of Harcourt or prev. Harcourt & World, Harcourt Brace, HBJ; subseq. Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, etc. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:56, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::It is ISFDB standard (whether its documented or not) to use the title page publisher credit when possible. So the record should be changed to give "Harcourt" as the publisher. Imprints are entered if they are present on the title page. For example, all current books from William Morrow have the title page credit "William Morrow" (over) "An imprint of HarperCollinsPublishers" which we enter as "William Morrow / HarperCollins". If a publisher becomes an imprint (like William Morrow), we can easily track the publisher history by separating the books as published. If a book is reprinted under a subsequent incarnation of a publisher, then the ISFDB record must give the publisher as credited in the printing of the book which it records, whether it is Harcourt & World, Harcourt Brace, HBJ, etc. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Do you refer to your aspiration to get away from entering imprints in the Publisher field, as we routinely do? (Skim 'Ha' or 'Ho' in the publisher directory.) Or growing consensus? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:56, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::The publisher field is the only place we have to record imprints. If by "you" you're referring to the collective editors, I can't say. I, personally, have no aspirations to change the current way imprints are entered. There may have been some talk in the past to create a separate field but there's been no discussion about it lately. You can raise the subject on the Community Portal page to see if there's a chance of a change in the foreseeable future. If we do create a separate field for the imprint, then it should be easy to do system-generated edits to the records without manually editing thousands of records...but only if the editors who created and/or updated them have used the current method of separating imprint from publisher in the publisher field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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If I understand you correctly "Harcourt Young Classics" in the publisher field only as "Harcourt Young Classics / Harcourt". (The former now appears in the publisher directory(*) and the latter does not. I looked this up before submitting Harcourt Young Classics as the publisher.<br />
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On the general point, I meant in other words whether this is a plan to curate the publisher directory, presumably to eliminate entries such as "Dell Yearling" (imprint) and "Dell Yearling Newbery" (imprint and publication series) in favor of entries that identify the publisher properly -- with a slash followed by Doubleday, Dell or Bantam, Doubleday, Dell or whatever. (At the moment there is no slash entry in the directory alphabetized with "Dell Yearling".)<br />
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For publishers --that is, valid Publisher field entries-- familiar to me from the publisher directory, more often the "Publisher" column of the tables that ISFDB displays in Title records for named contents, often general knowledge or the front cover (as "A Dell Yearling Book" across the top) i usually enter that. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:47, 12 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:The publisher directory isn't curated. It's generated by the system and includes every unique publisher in the database. If I incorrectly entered the publisher as "Del Ray", it would create a new listing under that name. There are probably thousands of records in the database which should be cleaned up to present a clearer record of how the publisher is stated. Unfortunately, there's not that many editors here who can make the time and effort to undertake such a gargantuan task. That's why we at least try to get the primary verified records to match the stated publisher, and because publisher credits vary from spine to front/back cover, title page, and copyright page, we ask that editors use the credit from the title page, as 99% of all books give the publisher there. As for records sourced from secondary sources, when I stumble upon them, I usually try to change them to the publisher as given in the OCLC record. The librarians who edit that database are asked to use the title page publisher credit, so at least we have their data to fall back on. Using the front cover credit is usually not a good idea, because too often it's a publication series and not the imprint or publisher. BTW, there is only one record now in the database for "Harper Young Classics" (the one you entered), because the only other record which had that credit was a non-verified record, and checking on OCLC, I determined it should have been entered as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?53112 Odyssey / Harcourt Young Classic / Harcourt]. So I corrected it. That leaves yours. And as I suggested above, you should use the title page credit of "Harcourt". If your copy has any indication anywhere else of the imprint of "Odyssey / Harcourt Young Classic" you can add that to the publisher field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:44, 13 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== LCCN and title or publication-specific data ==<br />
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The Library of Congress Control Number should be provided (and linked if possible) in the Note field of the publication record to which the number has been assigned. It should not be entered into the Note field of the title record, since titles are frequently republished with a different LCCN. A good rule of thumb about which data to note in which record (the title or the publication): if it applies to a specific publication, it should go in the publication record; if it applies to '''the work''' and not a specific publication, it should be noted in the title record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Harcourt, Brace & Company ==<br />
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In the 1950s, the publisher was known as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?41100 Harcourt, Brace & Company]. In the 1960s, after it merged with World Publishing, it became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1909 Harcourt, Brace & World]. In the 1970s through 1993, it added the chairman's name and became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?267 Harcourt Brace Jovanovich]. Then it was purchased by another corporation and became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?263 Harcourt Brace]. In 2007, it was purchased by Houghton Mifflin with the new company named [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28152 Houghton Mifflin Harcourt]. I've updated or reverted those Edgar Eager records which don't reflect this chronology. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:51, 16 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Three days ago there was greater variation in database use of "Harcourt, Brace and Company" and "Harcourt Brace". Did you revise other records to fit the ideal timeline? Did you overlook the one verified by Nihonjoe {{p|518183}}?<br />
: Given a policy, or consensus, to use in the database a particular name version for a particular book-issuing entity during a particular timespan, there remains a danger in such rationalizing policy. It depends on validity of the Year field as a book-issuing date --that is, a publication date in the sense of database "publication" records, a printing date. (The Year field isn't isn't rich enough to do what we should aspire to do re information about timing.)<br />
: I agree concerning "Harcourt, Brace" in regard to the Tales of Magic that LC and ISFDB merely use different canonical names with and without "and Company"; no doubt there are other cases where they differ about "& Company", "and Co.", and so on. Regarding "Harcourt, Brace & World", it's much more likely that different uses of the year fields are the crux of the matter. LC Catalog uses two year fields mainly, perhaps others in freeform notes. "Harcourt, Brace & World" with a year prior to 1961 is evidence that the year is a copyright date or edition date rather than a printing date. Same as ISBN with the same year would be. If we take the year for granted as a printing date and standardize the publisher (value of Publisher field) on that basis, such evidence is lost.<br />
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: What is your interpretation of the one 1998 and one 1999 publications by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?231 "Harcourt"] and the two 2000 publications by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?263 "Harcourt Brace"]? Those records are internally anachronistic --the 1998 and 2000 on basis of year alone; the 1999 because it is 1999-01[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?231+1999] where 1999-12 would be plausible. (Part of half of the answer is that the 1998 and 1999 are "date unknown" printings, probably 2000 or later if no catalog errors otherwise.)<br />
: (I'll get back to the Magic series.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:32, 19 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mary Poppins and the House Next Door ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89072 this record] which you converted from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK: one thing to keep in mind when doing such conversions: If you change the NOVEL title reference record during the pub record edit to SHORTFICTION, you have to add a new title reference record for the CHAPBOOK. It can be done in the Contents section of the entry form during the same submission. Otherwise the book's title won't appear on the author's summary page. (The story title will.) I'll add the title record for you. Also, I doubt that the book isn't paginated, even if the OCLC's page count number is bracketed. That could also mean that there were 96 pages but the last page wasn't numbered. That happens a lot in books. We'll leave it as is until another secondary source either confirms or denies the page count. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:40, 25 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: The US edition is paginated. I thought that I would convert NOVEL to CHAPBOOK following the manual [[Help:How to convert a novel to a chapbook#Converting a NOVEL publication to a CHAPBOOK]] where instructions begin with conversion of a publication record, so I started there with first edition --EditPub, not AddPub for copy in hand-- and resorted to online catalogue data for more info. I planned to continue with one instruction or another after seeing the result of EditPub. Unfortunately [a] the instructions are not scrutable (bullet point 3: "If the novel has only one publication on record, this can be done from the same Publication Editor dialog where the other changes are made"; not sure whether I did that back at point 1, hoped to see by viewing the relevant records after approval); [b] this was several hours ago at local public library, so AddPub US ed. must await another visit. <br />
: I wonder whether you converted one of the two illustration prize-winning picture books from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK yesterday, T{{t|170637}} and T{{t|1766654}}. I believe I saw one picture book as NOVEL yesterday, one reason I visited conversion instructions today, ''probably'' one of these two. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
: oops, fix links to Title records "T" and append five words --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Reviewing the three records and the manual, the latter [[Help:How to convert a novel to a chapbook#Converting a NOVEL publication to a CHAPBOOK]] remains inscrutable to me. How does one add a Title record? to a Publication record? Perhaps the second bullet point should be deleted and the third rewritten. ... --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::As I said in my original post, go to the contents section (marked "Regular Titles") and click the "Add Title" link. A set of fields will open. Leave the page number and date fields blank, enter the title, change the type to CHAPBOOK, and enter the author. I'll read the instructions and see if it needs clarification. Some of these help pages were written before the software about CHAPBOOK was fully developed, and may need to be updated. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Is there a simple change to be entered manually after which a script will complete the conversion per [[Bibliographic Projects in Progress]]? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::I know nothing about that. It seems to be far out-of-date. I'm thinking that project was all about manual conversion with the hope that it could later be accomplished with a script. I don't believe that ever happened. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mary Poppins omnibus ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557135 this record], but it would have been better to clone the other record of this title. Now you'll have to import the contents, and then merge the duplicate interior art record. Keep that in mind when adding records typed as COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, CHAPBOOK, and OMNIBUS. Saves both of us when you use the clone function. (I don't advise doing it for NOVEL records.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:16, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Same situation with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557137 this record]. You'll have to import the SHORTFICTION title record, and then merge the INTERIORART record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:18, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Both done. With more data, eg the obvious cover artist confirmed by images on bookseller pages.<br />
: Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:03, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Instead of importing the contents as I suggested, you created new title records. Those will now have to be merged with the existing ones. (Go to Travers summary page and you'll see the duplicate titles.) Ask if you need help on merging title records. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:10, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Ah, you mean Import Content. I overlooked the Export, Import, and Remove screens/tools. <br />
::: I am familiar with merger of Title records that do show up as duplicates for some author. Last month I cut the number of Mary Shepard Mary Poppins INTERIORART titles from 25 to 10. Now I know how other editors created all of those as we are back to 25 again. <br />
::: ... Import done, for import of novels INTERIORART to omnibus (2). I'll get back to the rest later. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:39, 26 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: FYI: You can also import individual titles (instead of all titles within another pub). If you have many though it can be tedious to find all the title record numbers and paste a long list into the tiny form box accepting such. It is painful but it avoids having to merge titles later. This is one area where methinks there is room for code improvement (one should be able to select one or more pubs to import from and just check which titles from such one wishes to import). I am not sure if there is an existing feature request (FR) for such yet or not. [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] 04:19, 28 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Editing a publication record before a previous submission has been moderated ==<br />
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If you make a submission to edit a publication record, you should wait until it has been moderated before making another submission editing the same record. Quite often this can cause a conflict which will negate the edits of the first submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:39, 27 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== <nowiki><br>• </nowiki> ==<br />
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The use of <nowiki><br>• </nowiki> is not a standard method of separating notes in an ISFDB record's Note field. (Although you will find that one particular editor insists on using it, even though it's been brought to his attention.) If you want to bullet each note, please use HTML as explained [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_HTML_in_Note_Fields here]. If that's too complicated, just use the keyboard return to create a new line for each note (they won't be bulleted). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:22, 28 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dell and Yearling ==<br />
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When it was founded, Yearling was a YA imprint of Dell paperbacks. Publications from that period are entered into the database as "Dell Yearling". Later (I don't know exactly when, but it could be researched), Yearling was removed from the Dell paperback division of Random House and became a separate imprint. The title pages then gave the publisher as "A Yearling Book". Those publications are entered into the database as "Yearling". If you find books which give the publisher as Dell, then enter them as "Dell Yearling". If Dell isn't mentioned, enter them only as "Yearling". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:43, 3 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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As of 2016-04-06 the earliest database Year for publisher "Yearling" is 1984.<br />
Indeed we have the following (Dell) Yearling publisher names, with yearspans (beside "date unknown"): Yearling 1984-pres [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?183]<br />
Yearling (UK) 1990-94 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?43577], <br />
Yearling / Yearling Newbery 1996 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?41025], <br />
Yearling Newbery [undated 35th printing of April 1990 Dell] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?10251], <br />
Dell Yearling 1968-2007 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?183]<br />
Dell Yearling Newbery 1996-99 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?379].<br />
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Anomalies from about 3 February in my primary verifications, perhaps to revisit<br />
:1. ''Mary Poppins'', 1991 tp edition, all four novels T{{t|181986}} T{{t|181997}} (both as Yearling) T{{t|29571}} T{{t|181995}} (both as Dell Yearling)<br />
: All four first printing publication records give my Note: <br />
:: (quote) copyright page "Published by Dell Publishing a division of Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing Group, Inc."; Yearling and Dell are two registered trademarks<br />
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:2. ''The Wolves of Willoughby Chase'' T{{t|13699}}, 1987 and perhaps other editions or dated printings (may be a single edition released 1968) [book 2 pv another edition; book 3 not verified]<br />
: (in progress) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:28, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Reliable secondary sources ==<br />
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When creating records from secondary sources, it's important to find the most reliable ones available. In the case of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558116 this record], I would have first looked at [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/12635490 OCLC]. Abebooks data is not very reliable since it's from someone who wants to sell you something, and info from auction sites can disappear overnight without warning. I personally consider OCLC to be the most dependable of all secondary source on the internet for English language publications. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:50, 3 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558117 this record], you could have gotten the page count from the [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/64447512 OCLC record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:53, 3 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: The LC Catalog is a source of extraordinary quality. WorldCat is not, and it's a shame that ISFDB relies on it so heavily.<br />
: Meanwhile the ABEbooks page that I mentioned, as it does provide a cover image, is far more likely to provide an image of the correct book than is worldcat.org. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 04:26, 6 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::No one is saying that the Library of Congress data is unreliable. Nothing I said even implied that. They never entered the discussion, and are not sourced in your record at all. I'm saying Abebooks is unreliable. Why knock WorldCat when in this case it was the most reliable source at hand? Please only use Abebooks as a last resort. And you should never use auction sites as a source. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:18, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Magic Finger'' ==<br />
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There are several problems with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558748 this record], the major one being that it doesn't contain a SHORTFICTION content. Now you'll have to import it. (You also could have cloned another edition which would automatically import the content, like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262017 this one].)<br />
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Another thing: synopses shouldn't be given in a publication note field. That is title specific data, not publication specific.<br />
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Also, you didn't use the correct format for entering the OCLC record number (omitting the colon.) There's also a leading space in the target name that should be removed. You also linked to the browser address and not the Permalink.<br />
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And you used Abebooks.com to source the date, and non-data about the possible format. This is probably the last place to source data. They're trying to sell books, and probably not worrying about recording accurate data for bibliographers.<br />
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Also, based on the OCLC record showing the book to be 20 cm., the pub format/binding is "tp". (All Puffin books from this period were softcover.)<br />
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Please make the corrections when you have time. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:15, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Done. Vaguely I recall that the manual somewhere includes generalizations about page size and binding format. Now I append "20cm (implies tp format)" to citations of OCLC records that support tp format by this inference. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::That's only true for softcover publications, something that OCLC rarely notes. You need a another secondary source to confirm the binding. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:57, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: If "(All Puffin books from this period were softcover.)" it will be useful to note that period at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?179 Publisher: Puffin]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Anyone looking at Puffin's books from the early 70s will see that they're all paperback. It would take further research to determine when they started publishing hardcovers. If that could be confirmed, then a definitive statement could be made. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:57, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to OCLC ==<br />
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Please use the standard format "OCLC: 123456". Also, click on the Permalink for the URL, provided in the upper right corner of the OCLC record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''El Dedo Magico'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71313 This record] had the English language titles. I will remove them and add Spanish language titles, and then variant them to the original titles. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I believe that is a mistake at least for the illustrations. Some time ago I fixed ''Mary Poppins wraca'' P{{p|547654}} to credit the original English-language illustration by Mary Shepard --despite the fact that in that work ''Mary Poppins Comes Back'' many of the illustrations have captions, commonly quotations of description or dialogue from the novel, presumably translated into Polish in their use as captions as well as in the novel.<br />
: See [[User talk:JudgeDeadd#Mary Poppins illustrations]]. As I recall, there were Shepard illustrations of two other Mary Poppins titles in Polish translation, and Barnes illustrations of all seven Narnia novels in Polish translation, all entered as English-language illustrations of the Polish editions of those works. All entered by the same user, as I understood the record; thus I conformed our treatment of ''Mary Poppins wraca'' illustrations to the other 9? books.<br />
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I also removed the price in US dollars which was there before you edited the record. An obvious error. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:34, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Per the linked WorldCat record, the publisher is based in Madrid, so the US dollar price is probably a mistake. Not an obvious error, as many Spanish-language editions are priced in US dollars. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:19, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Here is our record P{{p|547918}} for Polish-language omnibus edition of Narnia 1-3 as verified (and presumably entered) by [[User:JudgeDeadd]], who does not say whether it includes English or Polish captions or none. <br />
:: (By the way I doubt the COVERART credit to Maria Izryk for "original work (presumably by Maria Irzyk), although clearly traced from Baynes's covers for the 1959 edition of ''The Lion...'' and the 1962 edition of ''Prince Caspian''). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Even though art doesn't have a "language", and even if the exact same illustration is used in different translations of the work, each work of art should be titled for the work they illustrate. Any interior art records which don't match the titles of the work they illustrate should be corrected when found. (They must have sneaked through, undetected by the moderator.) This would mean the content record would have to be removed from the publication record, and a new content would have to be created. Then, the translated title record should be varianted to the original title record. See how I varianted the <small>[Pat Marriott --Pwendt]</small> interior art record for ''El Dedo Magico''. Thanks. <br />
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:::: OK. I credited also 1995 Spanish-language Tony Ross INTERIORART for El Dedo Magico, now submitted as variant of his 1989 illustrations T{{t|925716}}. <br />
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== Viking ed. of ''The Magic Finger'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558764 this record]: I added the colon after "LCCN", and removed the HTML line breaks. Several years ago they were necessary, and you'll find thousands of records still have them. After a software change a few years ago, they are no longer necessary; a simple keyboard return will display a new line. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:25, 12 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I did the same thing as above for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558765 this record], and corrected the OCLC link to the Permalink. Please get into a habit of using the Permalink instead of the URL in your browser's address window. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:27, 12 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Price field ==<br />
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When entering a price in US dollars, be sure to add the cents. I changed the price of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558870 this publication] from "$2" to "$2.00". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:06, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''My Father's Dragon'' ==<br />
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What is your source for the interior art credit for the 1948 Random House edition? I particularly wonder why the illustrations are differently credited from the story, if they're by the same person. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:21, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Again, you didn't enter the price field correctly in the submission I'm holding for this edition. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:22, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Further research has shown that the books were illustrated by Ruth Chrisman Gannett, her stepmother. So a pseudonym and variant should not be created. I'll accept the submission and correct the price field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:24, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I understand now what the note meant. You were referring to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?178751 this artist], not the author of the story. I'll make the pseudonym/variant. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:27, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes, Ruth Adelaide Chrisman later Gannett seems to have illustrated mainly as Ruth Gannett --eg, ''Tortilla Flat'' by John Steinbeck ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortilla_Flat at Wikipedia])-- but also seems to be Ruth Chrisman Gannett as of first collaboration with her step-daughter, per the [http://www.gutenberg.org/files/30017/30017-h/30017-h.htm Project Gutenberg HTML edition/release of the first edition] and i doubt that many others of her (mainly earlier) works belong in this database.<br />
: I did not link the Project Gutenberg, nor add its cover image [http://www.gutenberg.org/files/30017/30017-h/images/cover.jpg] of course, because I don't recall seeing other examples of that here and I don't know that ISFDB makes use of the Gutenberg release (lead sentence of HTML ed.: "This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no cost and with almost no restrictions whatsoever." ) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:51, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Click on the image link gave here and you can see why we need permission to deep link to images hosted by other servers. You can link the book's title record to the Project Gutenberg page, entering its URL in the title's webpage field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:03, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Three Tales...'' ==<br />
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I changed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558879 this publication] from OMNIBUS to COLLECTION, since it doesn't include a previously published NOVEL, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, NONFICTION, etc. A publication of SHORTFICTION-typed works is considered a COLLECTION.<br />
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I also went ahead and imported the contents, and disambiguated the generically titled author's note. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:25, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Does a collection of a works in a shortfiction series not carry numerals as "C/1-3"? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:32, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::No. The software only displays the story length field when the record is typed as OMNIBUS. That's because it's uncommon for collections to contain only series of short fiction works. Also, most short fiction in a series isn't numbered. You can post a message on the Community Portal for a feature request for cases like this publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:41, 13 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Illustrator for ''Wonders, Inc'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?213429 this publication]: Both of your sources give the artist name as "John Larrecq". Note the way each source provides the stated credit, and not the canonical credit. You shouldn't use the related names field of the LCCN record, or the author field of the OCLC record. OCLC gives the stated credit in the responsibility field. I've corrected it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:45, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I also changed it from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK with a SHORTFICTION content record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:48, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: (edit conflict) Thanks.<br />
: How frequently is there a "Responsibility" field at WorldCat, where there are some John M. L. records like [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/429560318 OCLC 429560318]. <br />
: He is John M. Larrecq canonically at LCCN (and others [https://viaf.org/viaf/65249917]) but I don't know that other works (incl several picture books from Parnassus Press) will ever be in the database (chiefly stories about anthropomorphic animals, i scanned this hour). So I have simply linked LCCN John M. Larrecq for now.<br />
: I merely stumbled upon him in course of correcting one Publisher:Parnasus => Parnassus Press; the former should now drop out of the Publisher directory. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:03, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I have no way of knowing exactly how frequently there's a responsibility field in an OCLC record. I can only estimate that 95% or more of the records created in the past 50 years do have it. That field wasn't always part of the database, and records from the early decades of the 20th century probably didn't have them. Some have been updated from primary data. Others may not. As for whether Larrecq's canonical name includes the middle initial, we can't establish that at the ISFDB until there's a publication which actually credits it that way. OCLC quite frequently gives the middle initial or full names in the author field of their records to distinguish similarly named authors. That's why the author field of OCLC records shouldn't be the only source used to record author credit in ISFDB records. Looking at [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/906040559 this record] for example, it appears that Larrecq did not use the middle initial in his published works. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:14, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: On the other hand [https://lccn.loc.gov/66009502] but as I said above, I don't know that other works by Larrecq belong in the database. [[Author:John Larrecq]].<br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:41, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::So I repeat, we won't be able to determine the canonical name until or if there are other works by him in the database. We would still have to follow the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition Rules of Acquisition] in determining that. <br />
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::::I think I may have misled you a bit about the term "canonical" when I was referring to the way LoC and WorldCat assign authorship. Their purpose is to distinguish human beings, not to distinguish publication credits, which is the goal of the ISFDB when we use the term. So I'm unsure whether the use of "canonical" in the bibliographic wiki page could confuse some users, especially those who know the ISFDB's use of "canonical". Also, if you look at some of the OCLC records for those showing "John M. Larrecg" as the author, you'll see that many of them credit "John Larrecq" as the responsible party. And that's what's important as far as the ISFDB is concerned. So perhaps the bibliographic notes need to be clarified about the name. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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P.S. I don't know how to convert NOVEL to CHAPBOOK/SHORTFICTION deftly. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:41, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:It's in the help documentation, but it's getting late. I'll try to remember tomorrow to give you a step-by-step guide to conversion. (In this case, conversion wouldn't have been necessary if the publication had been entered correctly from the start. Knowing a book has only 39 pages is a rather unmistakable clue that the book isn't a novel.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to primary verified records ==<br />
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I accepted the submission changing the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254379 this record] before realizing it was primary verified. It is imperative that you '''first''' discuss such changes with the PV editor before making a submission which changes any field other than the Note field. <br />
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Another concern: you changed the publication date to "1975-02-00" when your note said it was published on "1975-02-18". Why not go all the way? If the publication doesn't have a publication date stated in the book itself, an editor can use a reliable secondary source for that date. So you leave a note on the talk page of the PV editor: "Is there a day of publication stated in this publication? If not, I've found a reliable source, [Kirkus Reviews, Amazon, publisher's website, etc.], that gives the publication date as [fill in the blank]." Allow the PV editor to make the decision about changing the record. If there is a stated publication date, such as "First Edition: February 1975", then the PV editor should give "1975-02" in the publication date field, but note the exact date as given by the reliable secondary source. If there is no stated publication date in the book, then the PV editor has the option to use the reliable secondary source to give the exact day of publication in the record's date field. But this should be done by the PV editor, unless they have a notification preference at the top of their talk page saying "Anyone can edit my verified records." or something similar. If the PV editor is inactive, there should be a notice at the top of their talk page that directs any questions to the Moderator Noticeboard. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:55, 18 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: I summarized for the verifier at [[User talk:Don Erikson#Z for Zachariah]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:26, 18 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258217 this case], it's OK to give the full date of publication in the date field, because the record has yet to be primary verified. I'd also question your statement that all data is confirmed by the LCCN record, which doesn't give the publication date you've added to the record. That statement would have to be tweaked. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:33, 18 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Hitty, Her First Hundred Years'' ==<br />
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I could find nothing showing that this is a work of speculative fiction. If the doll is simply the narrator, and with no interaction with the real world, as most reviews I've read of it seem to indicate, then it can't be considered fantasy. Or am I misinterpreting the synopses that I've found on the Internet? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:49, 21 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2956209]<br />
: Yes, but i'll begin by reading further myself, not today. I know only the first four pages, up to the line I quoted --just before local public library closure this afternoon-- and the Google Books ed. breaks after page 4. Wikipedia says "magical ash-wood" but that isn't in the opening text, only reference to the traditional powers of ash.<br />
: I think you mean interaction with the world beyond that of quill pen on paper and turning the pages. I had wondered just what I would say beyond "Borderline spec-fic" if I did say that in synopsis as some others do. <br />
: How long is matter "held" in queue? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:52, 22 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::As long as necessary to resolve the issue. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:08, 22 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Have you been able to determine this work's eligibility? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 08:07, 4 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I can describe the wooden doll's actions: [a] take up quill pen to begin memoirs; use up paper (by implication use pen, ink, blotting paper); [b] raise and lower both legs together when left under a pew in church, "Clump! clump! clump!"; [c] work up and out of a crow's nest and get both legs over the edge, then to be knocked out by the baby birds. She does not communicate with the crows, wild monkeys, pet cobra, pet cat --nor with modern dolls if i recall correctly. The simplicity of her construction is clear; her inability to bend except at the one hip and one shoulder joint is recurrently crucial to the plot. That she can handle a pen or "work her way" without benefit of other joints is not explained.<br />
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So it is spec-fic strictly but I can't say whether it is clearly eligible nor whether it should be in the database. I have not read any discussions of scope. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:06, 4 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:It wouldn't be spec-fic unless she actually interacts with or becomes an active participant in the story she's telling. There are many stories told from the point of view of animals or inanimate objects, with the sole purpose of being a silent observer. Unless the story itself or the actions being narrated has fantastic elements (without regard to how the story is being told), I personally don't believe it would qualify as eligible. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Definitions Here] are the definitions, the rules of acquisition, and the scope of the ISFDB. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Unless you have some definitive evidence that the work qualifies under the rules of acquisition, I will have to reject the submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:29, 15 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Substantially I can only repeat myself. ''Hitty'' is spec-fic strictly, for the wooden doll interacts with her environment as I described above [a][b][c]. --beyond thinking and four of five human senses, all but taste.<br />
::: For what it's worth, I consider that a flaw in the work. It doesn't add anything to the story, in my opinion, to make the doll more than the externally passive observer you say is common. In the same way, I consider it a flaw that ''Alice'' is not spec-fic, strictly, because the brief final chapter portrays Wonderland as a dreamland only. It doesn't add anything to the story, in my opinion, to undercut the fantasy.<br />
::: You moderators need to make judgments about scope at the borders. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:56, 17 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Day the World Ended'' ==<br />
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Please specify the source of the month of publication in the Note field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399313 this record]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 05:37, 23 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Done a couple hours ago along, with AddPub three other 1930 dollar novels from Doubleday Doran. See also and better, [[User talk:Mhhutchins#Doubleday]], numbered point 2 <u>dollar novels</u>. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:11, 25 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Book of Trolls'' ==<br />
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What is your source for editing the author credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?475528 this record]? Both LCCN and OCLC give the current author credit. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:20, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: That's right. As stated in the Note to Moderator: "undo [my own] today's introduction of variant name in preparation for global change to Edgar Parin d'Aulaire --now in database for the one work only" with more detail<br />
: The Author name cannot be corrected because 'Edgar Parin d'Aulaire' is already in the database here. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:34, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll accept it now that you've explained the note, but the correction could have been done with one submission since all of the titles appear in the same publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:41, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: But I didn't know several hours ago, when I added all the other data for both the man [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2959820] and the Publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2959783], that I should have submitted a global personal name change first, before the correct name appeared in the database.<br />
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::: 1. You say "all of the titles appear in the same publication" which suggests that such a change could have been effected at once for all records of this work (CHAPBOOK, SHORTFICTION, INTERIORART, COVERART titles), if a global change in the personal name were not desired. How is that?<br />
::: 2. Probably this work was first published as ''D'Aulaire's Trolls''? (altho Uniform title is Trolls, which may indicate earlier issue in some European language). Anyway, let's consider the first US edition, [https://lccn.loc.gov/76158897 LCCN 76-158897], OCLC [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/86079902 86079902] and [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/410432 410432]. What would be the best way to get all of the CHAPBOOK, SHORTFICTION, INTERIORART, COVERART titles into the database as ''D'Aulaire's Trolls''? --where is best to start? --and finally must all be entered anew and then all four ''D'Aulaire's Book of Trolls'' titles separately be made variants? <br />
::: Good night, now overdue for me :-( [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:18, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::1. As I said, your "Note to Moderator" wasn't clear enough that I understand what your intentions were about changing the author credit of a publication which didn't match those given in the noted sources. Once you made that intention clear, I accepted the submission. At this point, whether the changes could have been made in one submission is moot. As it was, you could have changed the author credit of the publication, the shortfiction content, cover art, and interior art, in a single submission. Changing the chapbook credit would have taken a second submission. (You saw that it was "yellowed-out" which means you can't edit it during a publication record edit.) In either case, it took two submissions to make the corrections.<br />
::::2. Add publication records based on the title and credit given in your reliable sources without any concern for how it is titled and credited now. Once the records are in the database, we can determine a) the canonical title, and b) the canonical author credit. Variants and/or pseudonyms will be determined then. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:36, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Children of Lir'' ==<br />
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I changed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?560803 this record] from a NOVEL to a CHAPBOOK with a SHORTFICTION content, since it appears to be less-than-novel length. If you've determined that it is more than 40,000 words, let me know and I'll reverse the change. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
: No, this is fine. Thanks. I am reading this one and I will assess as novelette or whatever length. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:09, 29 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: A novella, ~20,000 words. And so entered. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:49, 1 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== pb or tp ==<br />
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Re the update you made to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303688 this record]: Where did the "5.1 inches" come from? The UK doesn't use inches. According to [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/782024148 OCLC], the book is 20 cm. which makes it a trade paperback. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:56, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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OK. I see you got that dimension from Amazon.com (not Amazon.co.uk, which was your stated source). The width is 5.1 inches, the depth is 0.3 inches, and the height is 7.8 inches, making it clearly a trade paperback. I'll correct the record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:01, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Making a pseudonym / creating a variant ==<br />
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Re {{A|Katie May}}: When you make an author into a pseudonym, you must follow-through by varianting each of the titles credited to that author into variants of titles credited to the canonical author. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Before you do that, what is your source that Katie May is the same person as {{A|Katie May Green}}? (This should have been asked before the moderator accepted the submission creating the pseudonym.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:18, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Probably the moderator read the Notes that I submitted at the same times [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971249 14:12] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971277 14:31] (approval times, i suppose).<br />
: I entered the titles as chapbooks where the first eds., British, had been entered as novels. Then observed to the moderator [[User talk:Rtrace#Magic Ballerina chapbooks]] that I think I must fix the CHAPBOOK issue before returning to the variant issue.<br />
: During the last hour alone moderators Rtrace, Hauck, and Mhhutchins have approved in succession and all may be inscrutable to anyone.<br />
: I suppose you converted multiple publications of the one title (#2 the Magic Spell) but not the other (#1 the Magic Ballet Shoes) --or that multiple moderators responded differently-- because my experience was different for the two titles. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:36, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Perhaps you've misread my post or have confused it with another post. I was talking about the variant/pseudonym situation, not the conversion situation. These are entirely separate matters. Please re-read my post and respond. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:08, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Please read the linked material. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:12, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'll ask the same question again: "What is your source that Katie May is the same person as Katie May Green?" That isn't answered in the post on Ron's page. If you have a confirmed source that they are the same person, you should have made the variants immediately upon making that determination. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:19, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I presumed that you would be able to read the two Notes that I cited, which the approving moderator [[User:Hauck]] probably read at the time, 2016-03-06 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971249 14:12] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2971277 14:31] per the log "My Recent Edits".<br />
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For now I have unlinked May and May Green in the database, but see the wiki [[Author:Katie May Green]]; cf [[Author:Katie May]]. Perhaps there can be a software solution for generating numerous variant titles. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:07, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm flummoxed. Now that you've confirmed (based on the wiki page you created) that they're the same person, why do you want to remove the pseudonym relationship that you'd previously established? <br />
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:And there is a software solution for generating variant titles. Unfortunately, a human has to initiate it manually, then the software takes over. We don't want software that will automatically create variants because sometimes pseudonyms are shared by different authors, e.g. {{A|Daisy Meadows}}. <br />
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:I'm going to reject your submission to remove the pseudonym and then create variants for the "Katie May" titles. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:16, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Converting NOVEL to CHAPBOOK ==<br />
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When changing the type in the metadata section from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK, you should add a CHAPBOOK content record at the same time, saving an additional submission, and avoiding a publication record which doesn't have a title reference link. For example, check out [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?468166 this record] which no longer links to its title record...or any title for that matter. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:24, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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For future reference, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_convert_a_novel_to_a_chapbook#Converting_a_NOVEL_publication_to_a_CHAPBOOK here] are the instructions to convert a NOVEL to a CHAPBOOK. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:26, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought that I would Import the one CHAPBOOK title record into successive publications of that title, rather than create a new CHAPBOOK title record for every publication.<br />
: Perhaps Rtrace (signs Ron) has experienced what he considers too many editors who don't bother to merge near-replicate titles? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:44, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Importing the CHAPBOOK record works if you're a moderator and can do your own approvals. When a non-moderator submits and has to wait, it leaves publication records without title references, and increases the chances that the conversion may not be completed. (Sometimes life interferes during the wait.) As suggested in the help page I linked here, you should change the type and add a CHAPBOOK content record in the same submission. You don't save submissions by importing the CHAPBOOK record. In fact, that increases the number of submissions required to get a publication record completely converted. It only takes a single submission to merge the duplicate CHAPBOOK records, and not doing so isn't as fatal as a publication record without a title reference record. So please follow the instructions provided. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Thanks. I left a note for Stonecreek (one approving moderator, whom I referred to Rtrace yesterday).<br />
::: Sorry about the prev and next sections. I am out of time now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:26, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Those records that don't have a title reference are still waiting to be repaired. This proves my point that a CHAPBOOK content record should be added during the same submission that changes the publication type. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 22:11, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Done some. (generally without adding the original illustrations at the same time)<br />
::::: Do you find such anomalies automatically and currently? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:15, 9 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::No. It's not automatic. There is also a nightly clean-up report which finds publications with this error. Then a moderator has to fix it manually. BTW, I'm not sure how it happened, but now [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?468166 this] has '''two''' title references. I let you see it before I repair it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:39, 9 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I see how it happened. You made two successive submissions that added a CHAPBOOK content title, and the same moderator accepted both submissions without question. Even moderators are human. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:42, 9 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: I submitted one Remove Title.<br />
::::::: I found that lot in reference to my Recent Edits log from a couple days ago, evidently too hastily, as that log includes replications of course. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:00, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Submission to remove accepted. I went ahead and merged the two duplicate CHAPBOOK titles created by the duplicate submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:50, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] Do you plan on converting the other Magic Ballerina publications to CHAPBOOKs? If not, I'll try to find time to do it. (I actually hate wasting so much of my limited time on this juvenalia.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:53, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I plan to convert only one more -- #4, for which Amazon shows a back cover and thereby identifies cover artist Katie May. On my amateur view, this suggests all six in the first lot, at least, were illustrated cover and interior by the same person, but I don't plan to do more than say so in a series note.<br />
: If my local public library owned even one of them, I would augment that record greatly and verify it. But no, and I will not recommend the purchase of one. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:28, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: This one [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0007286171 at Amazon].<br />
:: By the way, from a sample of one I judge that they are novelettes at ~125 words per unillustrated page, probably about 10000 words each. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:37, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Done Magic Ballerina #4 T{{t|1063662}} including the variant first U.S. title. I specified length "novelette" in one publication record only, may need to end session before seeing the effect (not to mention complete variant/import of the artworks). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:21, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: Done. T{{t|1063662}}<br />
:::: Initially, evidently, I assigned Storylen novelette to one new CHAPBOOK title rather than to the new shortfiction in one of its publications, so I don't know whether the latter would propagate. Later I updated the SHORTFICTION title to Storylen novelette. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:53, 11 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas in Enchantia'' ==<br />
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Re your update to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303696 this record]: If a reliable secondary source (like OCLC) gives a page count which contradicts Amazon's count, odds are pretty good that it's the correct count. Amazon's page count comes from the total number of pages in a book, based on publisher data, and it is usually in multiples of 4 (because that's how most books are published.) We use the same page counting method as OCLC. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:09, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Tail of Emily Windsnap'' ==<br />
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The LCCN given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?65785 this publication] should be "2003065284", not "203-65284". The number you gave is missing a zero, and the LoC removed the dash at the start of this century. The last six digits must also have leading zeros to complete it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:53, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?523577 this record], the Canadian price should be given in the format "C$" instead of "$C". Think "'''C'''anadian Dollar'''$'''" for the right sequence. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 20:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: done; done; immediately preceding section too --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:08, 8 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Man They Couldn't Arrest'' ==<br />
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Re the notes in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310745 this publication]: The OCLC record to which you link doesn't give the publication date as 1925. It provides the copyright date. The book must be undated, because the other OCLC record linked in the notes gives it as "[c1927]" meaning circa 1927. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:47, 11 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Merrimeg'' ==<br />
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Re the update to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1980903 this title]: Its type now mismatches the publication under it. You could have made one submission updating the publication record's type and its title reference. Please update the publication record when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:23, 11 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of Odin'' ==<br />
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The first note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?564977 this record] needs clarification, as it appears to suggest that the author's name is given differently and not the illustrator. That should be part of a note about the actual illustrator credit. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:57, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Attempted and I hope done minutes ago ... [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2994242] as approved by Rtrace --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:37, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I changed the publisher credit to "The Macmillan Company" which was the US publisher's name in the first half of the 20th century. (That's also what is given on the title page.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:33, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Regarding 'The Macmillan Company' reportedly succeeded by Macm Publ Co aka Macm Inc, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?85 Publisher:Macmillan] says this is a catch-all; "There is currently no attempt to separate these into two publishers." --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes that could be confusing, especially since there is an attempt to separate "The Macmillan Company" for the early 20th century. (Search for it.) Perhaps it's saying that there is no attempt to separate "Macmillan Publishing Company" and "Macmillan, Inc." into two different publishers. They both should be entered as "Macmillan". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:56, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
::: Earlier today I entered three [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?5188 Publication Series: Macmillan Children's Classics] from "Macmillan". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Check their title pages. During this time period, US publications should be "The Macmillan Company". UK publications should be "Macmillan and Co.". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:56, 30 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::I've made the changes based on secondary sources, and have updated the note on the publisher page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?85 Macmillan]. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:06, 31 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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(edit conflict) (i simply dump it and run as i am expected at about 00:00)<br />
: Another day I might check HathiTrust for digital copies (which WorldCat or some WorldCat libraries evidently catalog/ue as ebooks, by the way). <br />
: Macmillan is well-established in the database; seems to be established just as "Doubleday, Doran" for DOUBLEDAY, DORAN AND COMPANY, INC. ([[User talk:Mhhutchins#The Autocracy of Mr. Parham]]) and perhaps alternatives of intermediate length. <br />
: For now it's late enough for me to pursue a TV basketball game. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:19, 31 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Page counts on Amazon ==<br />
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Re the note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?376784 this record]: There's no need to record the page count provided by Amazon when you have a reliable secondary source (or the book in hand.) They use the publisher's method of counting ''all'' the pages in a book, unlike the method we use. Giving the Amazon data when it's wrong (or anyone's for that matter) would only confuse the user. WorldCat uses approximately the same method as the ISFDB, so it's a pretty reliable source for page counts. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:55, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:#Before I return to that record let me follow-up at one or two removes. This publication record is "Not Verified" with respect to any source. Previously it contained a single Note, "Data from Amazon.com as of 2012-02-13" (and the auto-generated "Cover art supplied by Amazon.com" presumably derived from the Image URL value). Thus Amazon appears to have been the only source; it is the only source if previous editors have done their jobs well.<br />
:#Would that also be true if the record were Verified w/r one or more secondary Reference such as Locus1? Or does it go without sayin' --without a Note-- that some of the data may be from any one of the "Verified" secondary References?<br />
: If it isn't clear what I have in mind, say so simply and I will expound another day. Good night, too late for me --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:36, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::# When a record states "Data from Amazon.com" that means it has been verified against Amazon's data. That doesn't mean it's correct. That means it matches the data given by Amazon. That would be the same for any secondary source. I'm not sure what you mean by "previous editors have done their jobs well." If the note in a publication record states "Data from Amazon.com as of 2012-02-13", there's a 99% chance that the editor was this clever fellow named [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]. He does a great job creating publication records from the multi-billion bytes of data on Amazon, but I'm not sure if I'd invite him to a party. :)<br />
::# Yes. Those records that are marked as verified using data from [[Reference:Verification_Sources|secondary sources]] means the same thing as the Note about Amazon being the source. When there are multiple secondary verifications marked, it would be nice if an editor would indicate exactly which data comes from which source. Some of us do, but nothing requires that we do so. I've found it's a good habit to get into when verifying from multiple sources. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:44, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Farrar & Rinehart ==<br />
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I've deleted the wiki page for this publisher and moved the data to the database page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?17605 this publisher]. Keep this in mind when adding publisher data to the database. Wiki pages for data are being phased out. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:30, 9 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: What about a more complex page such as [[Publisher:Rinehart]], which has an image and two footnotes?</font> --of which the image and one note is the sort of material that "should" be kept somewhere. Does the database have features other than text and HTML markup behind a {BREAK}? Does the medium-term plan for Wiki pages cover some of the Rinehart elements? <br />
: What is the medium-term prospect for Author and Bio pages? ...<br />
: ... (much later) OK, I found and read three sections at ISFDB:Community Portal, currently #81-83 of which the first is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Wiki-to-Database_migration:_Publication_and_Publication_Talk_pages 81 Wiki-to-Database migration: Publication and Publication Talk pages]. I don't see the practical import. <font color=green>I think maybe "keep in mind" means you hope I will do the migration myself for a substantial Wiki page that is so simple as the former [[Publisher:Farrar & Rinehart]]? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:58, 9 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::No. By "keep in mind", I mean don't add data to any wiki pages when it can be easily added to the database proper. The questions you've asked should be part of the discussion on the Community Portal. This migration hasn't been fully discussed, and I'm as much in the dark as everyone else about it. About those images, I have no idea how they're going to be handled. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:29, 9 April 2016 (UTC)</font><br />
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== Verification Sources - What are they? What do they mean? Where can I find them? ==<br />
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Re the question you posted on Chris's talk page just now about the ISFDB list of Verification Sources: I direct you to the answer I supplied to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Pwendt#Page_counts_on_Amazon this post]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:04, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: That is no answer. The table in ISFDB Wiki provides no key to use of the sources themselves, nor any remarks about precedence they should take in use for editing the ISFDB database. (As for Amazon, not one of the sources, you have written that other sources take precedence; further, that to provide discordant Amazon data is discouraged.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:50, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I answered the direct question below. The purpose of this post was to point you back to a previous one in which I provided you with a link to a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Reference:Verification_Sources page] which explains each of the sources which are listed on the "Verification Status" table of each publication record. Clicking on each of them (under the "Reference" column) gives a pretty thorough explanation, except for Locus1, which is the only online source, so we felt it only necessary to link to that website. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I followed the linkname "Locus1" that we display on publication pages (not in the ISFDB Wiki table) and poked around that website for a while. There is no key at the head or foot of the index ("The Locus Index to Science Fiction: 1984-1998") nor is any such thing evident in the site index ("The Locus Index to Science Fiction: Site Directory") that we target as "Locus1" on publication pages. <br />
: So I asked Chris J about the key, and the dating convention in particular.<br />
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In Locus1 listings, the first date is the book's date of publication as supplied by the publisher; the date in brackets is the date a copy of the book was received in the Locus offices. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:08, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. That is what I asked Chris J in particular.<br />
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By "key" do you mean the [http://www.locusmag.com/index/abbrev.htm list of abbreviations] used in the Locus database? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:09, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: No, I scanned that as I poked around three hours ago. It covers only abbreviations, no other conventions. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 02:50, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I guess William Contento, who managed the Locus database, didn't believe a key was necessary. Other than the bracketed date, everything else in a Locus listing is self-explanatory. What are the conventions you were needing to know about Locus1? I've been there thousands of time, so I could probably answer most of them. 03:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: --Mhhutchins<br />
::: On my first visit, none but the dual dates. If something comes up later, I'll ask you. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:23, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Missing price on The Minnipins ==<br />
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You have a £ symbol but no price listed for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567580 recently added pub for The Minnipins]. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 22:53, 20 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I "learned" the blank currency symbol to indicate the US/UK nationality of the publication (granted we may actually need a value such as 2s/6d) from ''NightBirds on Nantucket'' T{{t|13704}} which displays its systematic use evidently by [[User:Bluesman]].<br />
: I sometimes use it, after consultation at [[User talk:Mhhutchins#Price £ or $]], but I don't often remember and don't always have the pound symbol at hand, so I don't use it much. Nor did I take the suggestion to raise the convention for discussion by the community. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:22, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::If you have an American keyboard, you can use the ALT code for the British pound symbol: ALT+0163 (hold down the ALT key and enter "0163" in the number pad.) For other ALT codes go [http://www.alt-codes.net/ here]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]]<br />
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:::Ah... I had not seen that convention before. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:00, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Poppyseed Cakes'' publisher ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your {{P|567826|Poppyseed Cakes}} submission, but in the notes you mention it says "A Borzoi Book". If Borzoi is on the title page, I think you should instead record the publisher as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1305 Borzoi / Alfred A. Knopf] to capture the imprint, especially since we already have an imprint / publisher entry. I'm guessing we are not very consistent about capturing the Borzoi (given the few publications), but I did not find any discussion suggesting we should NOT capture it. See what you think. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:13, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: [http://www.amazon.com/Poppy-Everymans-Library-Childrens-Classics/dp/0375712321 Here] is the "Look Inside!" which does show the title page with no mention of Borzoi <br />
: title page bottom: Everyman's Library Children's Classics // <br />
:: Alfred A. Knopf New York London Toronto<br />
: copyright page top: This is a Borzoi Book //<br />
:: Published by Alfred A. Knopf<br />
: In the bullet list I mean initial dashes to indicate second-level items, three sub-points to "copyright page". Now submitted[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3015346] I insert add a first list item "Title page" and add a colon to "Copyright page:". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:21, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Placing publication data in a title record ==<br />
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This is not usually done. We try to separate the work (the title record) from any publication of the work (the publication record). Why not just create publication records for these Kennedy chapbooks? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 02:00, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Regarding the latter, maybe I should have done so, or saved more work in progress at [[Author:Marcia Sewall]] which I also had open as I gradually closed down. I did want to provide sources for fixing the shortfiction title dates.<br />
* Is there any way to create at once a new CHAPBOOK from a SHORTFICTION Title record; that is, to create a new container for that work? [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::There is not a way to add a publication to a contained title (SHORTFICTION, ESSAY, INTERIORART), only a container title (NOVEL, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, etc.) using the "Add New ..." function. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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* How to you suggest that a library catalog/ue Summary be noted in container title record? Eg, "Visiting with the caretaker of an empty old mansion, orphaned Jessamy emerges from the nursery closet into the world of 1914 when her namesake lived in the same house and left her adventures and a mystery to be solved again in the present. --Summary from one library catalogue record" without any link?<br />
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::You don't have to provide a link, just give the source. If the link is permanent, just use simple HTML to create a link. Don't link to an outside webpage if you're not certain that it's permanent. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: In user space I have now assembled much data on these story publications. I'll think about how to create database records efficiently.<br />
: P.S. I don't know whether we try to write in the database, as at Wikipedia, "catalog" or "catalogue" depending on whether or not some entity is USAmerican. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Both spellings are acceptable in the ISFDB. Any English reader should be able to understand both. Don't waste time trying to determine if the source is American English or British English (or any other form of English). Use the spelling you're more comfortable with. (I'm puzzled why so many Wikipedia editors use "whilst" instead of "while" as a conjunction. To my American ears, the former sounds so pretentious. But as for differences in spellings, I can look at "flavour", "centre", and "realise" all day long without blinking an eye.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: Acknowledged, thanks. I must run now, after completing [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard#Richard Kennedy]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:04, 28 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Bedknob and Brookstick(s)'' ==<br />
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I have no idea what you're doing with these latest submission (adding a new title reference to a record that already has one.) But I've accepted them with the expectation that you'll clean them up (they're in pretty bad shape right now.) Perhaps it would have been better to just delete them and start from scratch. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 21:56, 30 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Probably that would have been better. (I'll check back within 24 hours) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:15, 1 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Removing a double-credit ==<br />
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When you end up with an author/artist credited twice, removing just one of them does not work. The software is not smart enough: It finds that each name is still associated with the record and keeps each one. To remove a double-credit, you need to remove all of them, then put one back after the removal is accepted. I did that for you. I hope {{T|1995888|this}} is what you wanted. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:09, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:The recent change in software allows an editor to also edit each COVERART record individually. So you can edit one record to give both artist credits, and then use the remove function to get rid of the other one. You also have to remember to delete the record you removed, since it will stay in the database, regardless of whether it is associated with a publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:42, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: thanks --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:52, 5 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Pippi Longstocking ==<br />
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Hello, please remember to merge the NOVEL titles created when you add an OMNIBUS. I've done this for you by supposing that the translators stayed the same. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:54, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi. Can you direct me to instructions or discussion concerning multiple published translations into one language?<br />
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: I do maintain notes on things to do "later", as in Notes to Moderator for two omnibus editions of Pippi yesterday [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3032589] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3032610].<br />
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: I do not know the treatment of multiple translations. I see that it may be very complex {{t|7388|Title: Voyage au centre de la Terre}}. '''For the Pippi Longstocking novel(la)s, where we now have multiple translations merged as one Title, I do have some notes on translations in user space.'''<br />
:::::: Tiina Nunnally 2007 (see below) is the only third translation of the novels in my user space notes. Evidently she also translated some Pippi picture books; maybe some first English editions ...<br />
: The two Pippi omnibus editions do not contain original translations but they do contain different translations --1950s US translations in the Viking omnibus and 1950s UK translations in the Oxford omnibus. We now have distinct Title records for the two early English translations only for book 2, ''Pippi Långstrump går ombord'', and only because its was published under two different English titles, US ''on Board'' T{{t|1998501}} and UK ''Aboard'' T{{t|1462189}}.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:46, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: I submitted improvements to the two OMNIBUS Title records only, said in Note to Moderator "in progress; novel Titles 1 and 3 may need un-merge; User talk:Pwendt#Pippi Longstocking (w moderator Hauck)"<br />
:: Translators are now identified primarily in the 1950s novel publication records. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::For multiple translations, the rule is that there is one translated title record for each translator (that why we're putting the translator at title level, it avoid undue merging), see for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?63598 this short story] that has three different translations in french and so 3 different title records. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:19, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Update done, for the two OMNIBUS Title records and four NOVEL Title records. What is the best way to unmerge the two Viking publications of Pippi in the South Seas, for instance. Begin at the first publication P{{p|568496}} and remove the container NOVEL [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/rmtitles.cgi?568496]? Or manually copy all to a New Novel? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:03, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::No, first go to title level ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1462190 here]), then select the "Unmerge Titles" tool (on the right side), choose the two "Viking" titles, submit and then you'll see that the unmerge function is bugged when there's an OMNIBUS present! (I've already alerted to this specific problem but to not avail) Without such a bug (e.g. with only novels to unmerge, you'll just have to "re-merge" the correct newly created titles and re-variant them). I've done this for you (or so I hope), result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1462193 here]). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:19, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Thanks, H. For the first novel there is a third translation, apparently also commissioned by Oxford. Some data at Amazon are corrupt. <br />
Note to self: Amazon provides Look Inside 978-0-19-278241-0 (paper) --with 2007 transl. by Tiina Nunnally-- for some other editions, at least once without notice. <s>We may have incorrect data (incl cover image?) for 2011 US Viking p{{p|530058}}, 2012 UK Oxford {{p|481286}}</s> '''those records confirmed, expanded -Pwendt'''<br />
:::::: Now I will *add* 978-0-19-278241-0 to the database and then maybe quit Pippi for today. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I've worked a bit on it and created three different and separate translations. Still missing are the translators of the two omnibuses. If you add them, I can do the (bugged) unmerging. See you tomorrow! [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:16, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::::: Our records for the two omnibus editions are correct; I switched one of the contained translations, which required several steps because of the bug you noted. I added links to LCCN and OCLC records but Amazon including its Look Inside! is the source of almost all data. <br />
:::::::: After confirming/correcting our records for the three publications immediately above, all single novels, it was easy to unmerge and merge them, two steps. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:09, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Publisher T. Nelson ==<br />
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"T. Nelson" shows up as a new publisher. It looks to me like it is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Nelson_(publisher) Thomas Nelson]. If you agree, and it's ok with you, may I change that to Thomas Nelson on those two submissions (leaving your notes as-is)? We have Thomas Nelson as a publisher already. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:06, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Please hold for a few days. Perhaps I will add more Ursula Moray Williams eds. from notes in user space, pass over any "T. Nelson" or make a note to hold those too. I will check other sources for these. LC catalog was down for me Fri/Sat and after end of semester yesterday I have no night/Sunday access to historical newspapers. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:32, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, I will do that. Let me know when you are done and what you decide we should use. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:03, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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* One more submitted and cancelled by mistake [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3034688] "Camden [N.J.] T. Nelson" (other cities are New York and Nashville [Tenn.]) <br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:40, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: All four now in the queue should be "Thomas Nelson".<br />
::: I added a Note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28709 Publisher: Thomas Nelson & Sons], not yet for Thomas Nelson, and reallocated a few books. A few remain. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Great. I accepted the submissions and changed the publisher in each to Thomas Nelson. I also added the Wikipedia link to the Thomas Nelson page. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:37, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I added a Note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?386 Publisher: Thomas Nelson], narrowed its target to the Wikipedia section Current United States company, and completed reallocation of all pre-1969 books to the British company (& Sons), which published also in North America. We don't attribute any subsequent publications to &&nbsp;Sons and a glance at ISBN for Thomas Nelson publications suggests that we may not have any in the database. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== [Hamish] Hamilton ==<br />
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Hi. You used Hamilton on {{P|570740|this}} but Hamish Hamilton on {{P|570741|this}}. The LOC records both show London, Hamilton, and I am guessing both should have the same publisher credit. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:58, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hamish Hamilton. At the same time I promoted Reindeer Books from my Notes (as series noted by both LCCN and OCLC) to Publication series. <br />
: And i eliminated Reindeer Books from the database as a publisher by revising one record. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 16 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Net to Catch the Wind'' ==<br />
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The system was grumpy about your submission for {{P|571624|A Net to Catch the Wind}} and forced me to reject it. It looked to me like the changes were the notes and the date on everything. I copied the notes over and made the date change. Please check that it's all the way you want it, and if there's something other than the notes and date, you'll have to redo it. Sorry about that, and thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:48, 24 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: I had created the CHAPBOOK title with a redundant copy of the SHORTFICTION and "Note to Moderator: first publication of this short story; later merge them" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3042213]. Probably another editor merged them, thus deleted the new SHORTFICTION, while my first follow-up was in the queue.<br />
: All is well. I restored hyperlinks and on further investigation I found more to be said P{{p|571624}}. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:02, 24 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Dragon's Nest ==<br />
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I answered your posting on my "Messages Page". When you're right, you're right, and you were right. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:45, 17 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== ''Faust'' submission ==<br />
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Hi. I think your ''Faust'' submission duplicates {{P|372389|this entry}}. See what you think. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:19, 24 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi. Yes, my submission duplicates the book, 1st ed. presumable 1st printing. I missed it yesterday.<br />
: Do we use such longlong titles by policy? I have shortened some full titles that are much shorter than this one. And we now give a one-word title for the companion novel <i>Falstaff</i> (1976) T{{t|1612138}}. For that one I had partly assembled in user space, but not submitted, data for the two 1st eds. thus:<br />
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:: (1st ed.) LCCN: <a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/77352232">77-352232</a> and OCLC: <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2930386">2930386</a><br />
:: -- as Main title: "Falstaff : being the Acta domini Johannis Fastolfe, or Life and valiant deeds of Sir John Faustoff, or The hundred days war, as told by Sir John Fastolf, K.G., to his secretaries William Worcester, Stephen Scrope, Fr. Brackley, Christopher Hanson, Luke Nanton, John Bussard, and Peter Basset <br />
:: -- "/ now first transcribed, arranged and edited in modern spelling by Robert Nye."<br />
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:: (1st US ed.) LCCN: <a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/76027765">76-27765</a> and OCLC: <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2373077">2373077</a><br />
:: -- (as above)<br />
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: For <i>Falstaff</i> all four linked records give the long title. For <i>Faust</i>, LC gives one-word title for the 1st ed.[https://lccn.loc.gov/80142102], longlong for the 1st US ed.[https://lccn.loc.gov/80039696]. <br />
: Perhaps the longlong titles should appear only in Notes, perhaps best in both Title and Publication records.<br />
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: <s>P.S. At the moment Robert Nye A{{a|5059}} because "merge/variant as approp" remains on my to-do list for three Beowulf titles.</s> --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:59, 24 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::We want the title as the book has it on the title page. You could raise this question on the [[Rules_and_standards_discussions|Rules and standards discussions]] page or the [[ISFDB:Community_Portal|Community Portal]] and see what others have to say. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:47, 25 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hi. I still have that submission on hold. Since you agree that it's a duplicate, would you copy any information you want to preserve into the existing entry and then cancel it when you do not need it any longer? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:34, 14 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: ok {{done}} (and <s>strikeout</s> what is long obsolete above) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:54, 14 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Copyright dates for some of Kipling's ''Just So Stories'' ==<br />
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Hi, I accidentally approved one of your submissions and have put several others on hold: the copyrights of these are assigned for the years 1900 & 1901 to Kipling, but this is not enough to ensure a publication in the respective year. Have you any more evidence for respective publications before 1902? (Per help we assign the original publication date of a title, not the year of copyright or writing.) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:48, 28 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
: I cancelled and resubmitted one of the four (Armadillos) that were on hold because that one alone names a publishing company, Curtis Publishing Company. Five state copyright by Kipling alone, of which four prior to 1902 so that I submitted a change in the "Year" field.<br />
: Wikipedia and others say that three of the twelve stories were published in a children's magazine, evidently by Century Company during 1897. Of the other nine Wikipedia says only that they were added to make the 1902 collection, but I suppose Curtis had published the one somewhere.<br />
: If I understand correctly, the Notes are OK, and may prompt someone to find a deeper source. But the "Year" 1902-00-00 should be retained/restored for three of those on hold and for one that you approved (Leopard). Right?<br />
: Now I must break, perhaps for the day. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:10, 28 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: '''Update.''' Now at the university library where I have access to historical newspapers. Here are the first two of three sentences in one item, "Notes and News" <i>NY Times</i> 1902-04-12 pBR12<br />
:: "Rudyard Kipling has finished three more stories for the <i>Ladies Home Journal</i> in his series of "Just-So Stories", which he has been writing for the magazine.[retaining copyright evidently] The first of the stories will be called 'The Cat That Walked by Himself'."<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:03, 28 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::As this note appeared in 1902, I have restored 1902 as the year of publication: it may be possible (even likely), that some titles were published before the book, but as we don't know yet which of them and when, we better stick with the yet known first publication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:59, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I agree. I fully hope and half expect to find some 1900 to 1902 magazine publication dates with university library facilities, but that is not for today. And I withhold incremental update of the COLLECTION <i>Just So Stories for Little Children</i> T{{t|39137}}. <br />
:::: Technically, are you as moderator able to revise my submission? Or do you mean approve what is on hold and then make another update yourself? (I see in the log of my rejected submissions that you did not reject any, and I don't know of any other log available to me.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:12, 29 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Well, it's only possible to either reject a submission or to accept it and change the new record afterwards in a second step. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:26, 30 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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11 of the 12 stories were previously published in US (9) and UK (2) from December 1897 to October 1902, per Ernest Walter Martindell, ''A Bibliography of the Works of Rudyard Kipling (1881-1921)'', Bookman's Journal, 1922 (located at books.google.com).<br />
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All 12 short story Title records done, with that information --the first three-part serial with links to digital copies at HathiTrust Digital Library. COLLECTION Title not yet updated. <br />
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One month before it published the first of six stories, <i>The Ladies Home Journal</i> April 1900 published an article --not necessarily prose by Kipling-- entitled "Rudyard Kipling's New Animal Stories". That is the top line of the front cover ([http://www.magazineart.org/main.php/v/womens/ladieshomejournal/LadiesHomeJournal1900-04.jpg.html LHJ 1900-04 cover image]).<br />
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--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:51, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Evidently "The Elephant's Child" is the story content published under "Rudyard Kipling's New Animal Stories", April 1900. That explains the 1900 copyright, and I suppose that the title sufficiently explains why the 1926 bibliographer missed it. So I cancelled the submission on hold, focusing on that story's 1902 re-issue in ''The Windsor Magazine''. <br />
: [https://lccn.loc.gov/2007586218 LCCN: 2007-586218]; [https://lccn.loc.gov/2008570150 2008-570150]<br />
: Also I know the original illustrator {{a|Frank Ver Beck|130668}}. That's all for now, no time to write up. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:56, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Pearson's Magazine, October 1902 ==<br />
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Hello. Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304415 this publication], I have put your submission on hold, as I didn't understand your change from 1902-08-00 to 1902-09-00, given the date of publication of the magazine. If this is not a typo, please clarify in the notes if possible. Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 20:55, 20 July 2016 (UTC).<br />
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: I suppose that is a typo, '9' for '0', as I must have intended to change the date of the Title ''Pearson's Magazine - 1902'' T{{t|1049941}} from 1902-08 to 1902-00. Probably I shouldn't have tried to change that along with Publication update ''Pearson's Magazine, October 1902''.<br />
: Just now I submitted merge of the April 1902 number with the 1902 volumes. The merge tool offered two choices to resolve Conflict, 1902-08 and 1902-04, and I selected the latter. <br />
: Probably I should have changed Title ''Pearson's Magazine - 1902'' from Year 1902-09-00 (oversight by previous editor, I suppose) to 1902-00-00 before undertaking to add any more 1902 issues. <br />
: Until 1902-08-00 approved by Hauck a couple hours ago, I had not previously added a number to a magazine year that is in the database, only added a year to a magazine series and added contents to number that is in the database. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:24, 20 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: A glance at other years shows that we date the Pearson titles by year YYYY-00-00 in some instances, and YYYY-MM-00 in other instances. For the latter, 'MM' is the month of the earliest number that is in the database, and I suppose this to be an oversight by previous editor. The title by year YYYY should always carry Year = YYYY-00-00. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:28, 20 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: My subsequent [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3097568 Pending Title Update Submission] includes change of Year from [now 1902-04-00] to 1902-00-00. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:47, 21 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::I'm not sure there's a written rule for this. I usually change the date to "YYYY-00-00" (or simply "YYYY") with titles grouped by year but I've seen other strategies. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:36, 21 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sorry for not answering sooner, as I have been unavailable until now. I'll approve your submission; please make the necessary corrections afterwards. Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 14:02, 21 July 2016 (UTC).<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Magazine submission ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?579777 This] had a problem with an empty, unclosed anchor tag (it was just <code><a href="</code>) that made a mild mess of the display. I replaced that with XXXXX. It'll need fixing up. I think all of the rest of your note text survived. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:22, 26 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Harper's Weekly Magazine First Publications ==<br />
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I have three edits by you on hold. In each case, you are adding a statement regarding first published in Harper's Weekly. However, in each of these cases, the applicable Harper's Weekly publication is already in the database and contains the story. First published statements at the title level are only needed when the pub is not cataloged. If the pub is cataloged, they are redundant. You have also added notes regarding page numbers, heading, and illustrations that belong in the applicable pubs; not at the title level. I will leave these on hold for you to move the information into the applicable pubs. When done, please cancel the edits. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:22, 6 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
: One done in part, using page numbers "1193" and "|1193" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3147240 Submission 3147240].<br />
: Do you think it is reasonable to put all of this info in the Note? (as I have not done; this is copy-paste from deleted submission 3146213):<br />
:: p1193-94, with 4 illustrations by Richards, uncredited (clearly signed "F. T. Richards")<br />
: Commonly our book publication Notes cover attribution explicitly, when that differs from credit per title page (or from general sources such as Amazon or LCCN, if t.p. is not viewed). That is by policy as I understand it. Generally I have not replicated such information in the relevant Title records, in this case the F. T. Richards INTERIORART record, but it seems appropriate to do so. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:46, 6 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that would be appropriate. Stating the book doesn't have a credit statement, but the artwork is signed is valid information. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:05, 6 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:# I did mean "appropriate to do" it in both records (wording may differ): in the publication record (here, a magazine issue) and the title record (here, interiorart comprising N illustrations). It occurs to me now that we have a very great number of publication records derived from each other by cloning, and many generated partly by importing titles. We cannot practically expect notes on attribution to be replicated for every publication that contains a title, so the title records "need" such notes.<br />
:# One of the three remains on hold ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3146212 Submission 146212]) because it concerns a story T{{t|1016675}} published under variant title that is in the database. Here the variant long title is the original, under a natural interpretation of the original heading; see my submitted Note. Perhaps the long original should have been made the canonical title, but suppose we let it be. Moments ago you linked to the current Rules and Standards discussion a 2014 exchange [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive12#Variant_Dating Archive 12#Variant Dating]]. Your recommendation, approved by Mhhutchins, as I understand it in this case: "Title: Ghosts That Have Haunted Me" should be dated 1896-12-19 because it's the canonical title and that's the first publication of the work. Right? And "Ghosts That Have Haunted Me: A Few Spirit Reminiscences" should be dated 1896-12-19 too, of course, because that's the first publication under that title.<br />
:: Good night, late here in USA. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]]<br />
:::Title record notes should contain information specific to the title. Publication record notes should contain information specific to the publication. Each publication record is supposed to identify the source of the information (either via primary verification or a secondary source note). Publication records missing sourcing does not mean the sourcing should be placed at the title record, it means the publication record should be fixed. In fact moving it to the title record it counterproductive as just because it is one way in one publication does not mean it is that way in all publications.<br />
:::Re the remaining edit: Based on that edit, the Harpers Weekly edition had the subtitle. Therefore, the current parent should be removed from the publication and the variant with the subtitle added. The note still belongs in the publication. Just because Harpers had the subtitle does not mean every other occurrence used it. I've gone ahead and made the changes.<br />
:::Yes, both should have the same date. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:44, 9 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Preface (Dracula's Guest) ==<br />
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I have your edit to {{T|878884|Preface (Dracula's Guest)}} on hold. Did you mean to add this synopsis and notes to {{T|83927|Dracula's Guest}} instead? They seem meant for that shortstory and not the essay. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:03, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:I see you made a subsequent edit to add the information to "Dracula's Guest". As such, I have rejected the edit to the preface since the content is about the shortstory and not about the essay. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:08, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: No, i submitted different material, citing/quoting the same Summary presumably from 2013 publisher Hachette Audio, to the SHORTFICTION and ESSAY title records, as i deemed appropriate. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:16, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Resubmitted in part, with greater clarity i hope. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:00, 15 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Catacombs: A Tale of the Barque Cats ==<br />
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A bit late, but I answered your request on my page :-) --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] 18:09, 21 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Smith of Wootton Major" merge ==<br />
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I had to hard-reject your merge of "Smith of Wootton Major". One of the titles involved with the merge no longer exists (probably merged away in another submission). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:46, 25 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks. Evidently I submitted it twice, working from a long "Check for Duplicates" report without refreshing. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:12, 25 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Philippa Fisher's Fairy Godsister ==<br />
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Found the cover artists of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1982057 this cover art] at iStockphoto.com and changed it. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 19:51, 18 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Continued with wikilinks at [[User talk:Zapp#iStockphoto, Simon Spoon]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:23, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Subtitles ==<br />
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We don't use "A Novel" as a subtitle, ever. Cheers --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 21:01, 20 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Rejected "The Street of Mars" ==<br />
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I rejected this book as non-genre. The story concerns some kids in England, who are fascinated by some Roman ruins in their town. The streets in those ruins are named after various Roman gods, and they have some modest adventures on the street named after the god "Mars". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:34, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. You must have a good source for used books. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:23, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Black Cauldron ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?156761 this pub] found and put in. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 18:08, 11 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi, Zapp. Actually I know the Jean-Leon Huens and Jody Lee cover illustrations on sight; apparently so does my correspondent [[User:Taweiss]]. See [[User:Pwendt/People#Prydain covers]] (data as of 2016-07-07; numerals 1-5 in sublists designate the five novels). <br />
: The problems in mid-2010s are how to find sources that are reliable and what to do about all the bad data we have, some from editors who are no longer with us.<br />
: We have records such as {{t|143244|COVERART 143244}} for Dell Yearling ''The Book of Three'' with Jody Lee "Author" and a cover illustrated by Huens displayed. ''The High King'' is worse, {{t|144106}}.<br />
: The management of Dell Yearling imprint is most to blame, in my opinion, producing books that (a) use one ISBN for multiple designs, different cover artists if not also different sizes; while also (b) do not identify their cover artists and (c) do not date their printings. So we have books with different printing numbers and prices (certainly and almost certainly increasing as time passes, but that isn't good enough).<br />
: I never investigated, never started to learn, the process for correcting any records verified by retired editors. Eg [[User:Dragoondelight]] --altho I see that one did retire with notice "take over any/all that you might wish".<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:18, 11 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A thousand Miles an Hour'' ==<br />
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After approval, I uploaded a better cover scan, where the artist's signature is visible. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSNDMLSNH1924 here]. Cheers ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 17:32, 17 November 2016 (UTC).<br />
: Thanks. That is better than I found at e-Bay. By the way, the Kindle edition shows bright colors (http://www.amazon.com/thousand-miles-hour-Herbert-Strang/dp/B003UM47G8#reader_B00BWE78AI; Look Inside; scroll up). I will put that in error report to SFE3, which has cover artist D C Eyles elsewhere. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:44, 17 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Last Western ==<br />
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Hello, can you be more precise about the spec-fic elements of this book (I didn't find anything really conclusive)? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Hi. I don't know the book but stumbled upon its record in the database, and added more data from libraries, in the course of determining that Thomas S. Klise is the father of Kate and M. Sarah Klise.<br />
: Web search hits a fan review-conversation "The Great, Forgotten Sci-Fi Novel About The End Of The World" in which one of them calls it this "Very 1970s Catholic Social Apocalypse/Baseball Novel". I'll read it and try add something to the Title record. <br />
: today i can check contemporary newspapers too ... --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::I stumbled on the same page but after reading it (the page not the novel) I wasn't that convinced. The author is not on SFE3 and other usual sources so without any further evidence, I'm going to delete it. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:01, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: I find no review in multiple newspapers 1974 (and it was published early in the year). Sometimes I have access to journals and magazines, but not today.<br />
:::: One advertisement by a Chicago bookstore (send $6.95 plus 40c p&h per copy) quotes three reviews and also Walter M. Miller of ''Canticle for Leibowitz'' --the most apt author I can think of, but this is what we call "near-future" history evidently, in contrast to Miller's millenia.<br />
:::: The blurbs quoted from three reviews say in part "the most exciting and significant event in religious publishing in many many a moon", "a prophetic statement that dwarfs most others"; and "one of the most important religious books of the decade"; and "speculative fiction at its finest!". <br />
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:::: The first Customer Review at Amazon.com [https://www.amazon.com/last-Western-Thomas-S-Klise/dp/0913592315/ref=la_B001KMSE3W_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1480875380&sr=1-1] reports that it was essentially self-published (thus no reviews) and observies, "The Last Western's near-future setting makes it a speculative science fiction novel as well (R.A. Lafferty and Philip Jose Farmer both blurbed it)." And another says "A moving allegorical tale of grace, sin and redemption", ^a modern equivalent of Bunyan's "A Pilgrim's Progress"^ --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Blind" merges ==<br />
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Hello, I've rejected some of your proposed cover merges as there was no images for some titles so no way to determine if it's indeed the same cover. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:17, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: OK. I resubmitted MakeVariant for the one "Harold Siegel" title that does have a cover image.<br />
: For a couple weeks I have the Viking hardcover with dustjacket, library copy in clear plastic wrapper. Maybe I will look up how to make and upload an ISFDB-compatible cover image. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:36, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dr. Dolittle and the Green Canary ==<br />
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Hello, in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?598849 this pub] there seems to be a duplicate. Perhaps is the SHORTFICTION record an INTERIORART one. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:42, 27 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cosmopolitan, July 1889 ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your sumission but deleted the INTERIORART record. Only fiction is entered for nongenre magazines. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:45, 16 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Rose Royal'' price ==<br />
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Did you mean to include a price on {{P|88898|Rose Royal}}? It came through with just "$". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:22, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
: No, I noticed '$' in the table for another Nesbit book and thought that's a good idea to indicate UK/US ed without opening the publication records. I meant to enter '£' for Dormant too T{{t|197008}} (altho price surely less than £1) but overlooked it. Should it be deprecated? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:15, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
::I don't know. I wouldn't submit one that way, but others are, and the submissions are being approved, so you're just following precedent. They are easy enough to find and fix if someone decides we don't want them. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:42, 24 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Complete Book of Dragons'' clone ==<br />
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Hi. I don't understand the ''Complete Book of Dragons'' clone you've submitted. Doesn't it duplicate {{P|88864|this}}? Also, the notes say "1st US ed." but then you've given "£" as the price. So I'm a little confused. Help? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 03:19, 26 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
: evidently I did export contents from 1973 us to 1972 uk. So the clone is earlier mistake I neglected to delete. <br />
: good night --Pwendt from mobile keyboard without tilde afaik<br />
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== Earlier Dates ==<br />
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Hello, when you create a new record for a title that is earlier than the existing one (as you probably did with some Nesbit titles), please remember to change all the dates to the new earlier one, if not they will appear on a cleanup report and will have to be changed by a moderator. Thanks [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Wikipedia images ==<br />
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We can't link to Wikipedia, but generally images posted to Wikipedia are licensed in such a way that you can download them and upload them to the ISFDB (citing the source). Wikipedia provides a link to the license information for the image, so you can check the terms. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:20, 8 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Sequence of URL in Webpages field (Julie/Eloisa) ==<br />
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Hello, I believe I have this issue straightened out.<br />
The way that the site orders these links, the last link entered always appears at the left as the first link in the list. So for your links<br />
: Vol I http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries00gardgoog<br />
: Vol II http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries04rousgoog<br />
: Vol III http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries02rousgoog<br />
: Vol IV http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries01rousgoog<br />
I entered them into the Title Record in reverse:<br />
: Vol IV http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries01rousgoog<br />
: Vol III http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries02rousgoog<br />
: Vol II http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries04rousgoog<br />
: Vol I http://archive.org/details/eloisaoraseries00gardgoog<br />
So that the end result is the display order that you are trying to achieve. Of course, if someone adds another link to the list, it will appear first, but these four links should still appear in the proper order.<br />
[[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 17:50, 11 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. Webpages must frequently be displayed in poorly chosen sequence partly because few editors know this! --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:15, 11 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Jena Anderson ==<br />
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I have your edit to add a link to {{A|Jena Anderson}} on hold. There really isn't anything about the artist on that page (other than a statement she did the covers). Did you include the correct link? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:09, 22 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
: It wasn't a good resolution, altho it was what I intended in a hasty revisit after poking around the web on my phone. (I'm abbreviated on Tuesdays and I was sharply abbreviated on this one.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:14, 22 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding fictive days in publication date ==<br />
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Hello, I've reverted your changes that wished to add a fictive day (to order the publications). Such a practice (even documented in the notes) is creating new false information. Perhaps would the projected "Printing rank" field help you in the future. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:57, 3 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
: That wasn't me. It was my phone :--;<br />
: Thanks. My record of the 1st printing was a complement to that of the 2nd printing by user Chavey, who has not yet replied to my note. Probably its best if you add a comment there too, [[User talk:Chavey#The Secret Garden]]. <br />
: A printing rank field would have some value. I wouldn't give that change high priority. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:26, 3 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
:: I am not able to get to that book at present. I did a couple of those "artificial dates" some time ago, but I don't anymore, and don't object to having it taken out (as Hauk did). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:41, 4 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Fouqué versus Fouque ==<br />
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The software/database considers "é" to match "e". So because we have an entry "Friedrich de La Motte Fouque", you cannot also create another entry "Friedrich de La Motte Fouqué" -- the software matches that latter accented text to the existing un-accented text. The best we can do is use whichever version is more prevalent and note deviations where they occur. You could try to determine whether changing the name to "Friedrich de La Motte Fouqué" would be appropriate. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:23, 4 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Where Magic Reigns: German Fairy Tales Since Grimm ==<br />
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Your recent edits to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?617607 Where Magic Reigns: German Fairy Tales Since Grimm] have left Undine with a publication date later than the anthology it appears in. I have approved it but it will need to be fixed. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 20:13, 14 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Another editor picked it up evidently.<br />
: I do proofread much next day but not so much as I do on the 20 minute cycle.<br />
: --Pwendt<br />
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== External Identifiers ==<br />
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External identifiers (OCLC, LCCN, etc.) should no longer go into the notes field, but now into the new External Identifiers field on the publication editing screen. Select the specific type from the pull down, and just enter the number. The software makes the link automatically. If you have more than one, just the "Add External ID" button. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:52, 9 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Old Man Gully's Hant ==<br />
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Hello, I've put your submission on hold. I'm wondering what you're trying to achieve. This will create a new canonical for an author that has only one record so is its own canonical. Data about the real name can go in the notes. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 20:37, 10 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
: My purpose was not to add the writer's real name or full name (for which we have one Author field) but to add the original author and year of this story, in a 1911 collection. LC has records of two books by this writer, both as Sarah Johnson Cocke. Both are also listed at [http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Cocke%2C%20Sarah%20Johnson Online Books by Sarah Johnson Cocke].<br />
: The collection has been reprinted, in a [https://www.amazon.com/Bypaths-Dixie-Sarah-Johnson-Cocke-ebook/dp/B00ANUM8EI Kindle edition] among others, but I don't plan add it, or to assess its contents. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:42, 12 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
::OK, your aims are clearer. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:17, 12 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Notes templates ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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We have a few new-ish templates that can be used in Notes, including one for LCCN. If you use that one instead of direct links, if they ever change the format of their links or their server, a single change in the template will keep the link correct (as opposed to needing to change them in each publication. The complete list is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Linking_Templates here]. You are writing some pretty impressive notes in titles so I thought I would bring these to your attention. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:48, 24 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
: Gentle reminder :) I just changed the direct link to worldcat's OCLC record [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?983244 here] to the template. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:15, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1375484 here] :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hi. The instruction seems to have publication records in mind. (Maybe the instruction needs expansion.)<br />
::: "The use of linking templates should be limited to third party records which are not directly related to the publication, e.g. "The skeleton OCLC record {{OCLC|123456}} may be related." (And I don't know the meaning of "skeleton OCLC record".)<br />
::: Do we have any discussion of how much blue ink is desirable in various kinds of records?<br />
::: For a story title record --many of my submissions this summer-- frequently the original magazine (eg, <i>St. Nicholas</i>) or original illustrator (eg, W. R. Lohse) is in the database but I do not routinely link them (and never link publisher pages).<br />
::: Of course the numerical library catalog IDs are meaningless --and stable, we hope?-- whereas magazine and personal names are meaningful --and our canonical names are not stable; poorly chosen canonical names are corrected, albeit slowly. There is a good argument for using in Notes a version that appears in a relevant publication. <br />
::: If and when we have a "What links here?" feature, it will be desirable that Notes include links to our database pages, especially personal pages. For instance, from {{a|W. R. Lohse}} it would then be possible to list records in which he is noted --such as this one of my recent Notes T{{t|1375033}}. (I didn't provide any internal or external links, nor cite a library catalog record. That one is on my list to add the original 1922 publication to the database.) <br />
::: Do we have any discussion of these issues?<br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:46, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::: P.S. Commonly when I add a Title note that is "complete" rather than "to be continued", I have in hand multiple external source IDs such as LCCN, OCLC, and ASIN. Thus I could provide, or impose, a lot more blue ink. The records you approved this hour, such as T{{t|1375484}}, link (and cite) OCLC rather than LCCN because in this case all three OCLC records list the Contents, and LCCN do not. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:55, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::: The idea of most of the templates is to replace links in all Notes fields - so if you are planning to add a link to OCLC, LCCN and so on in your text, instead of the link, just use the template - thus minimizing the chances for a technical mistake and allowing the links to be changed if one of those sources reindex or change the format of the links without chasing all variations. If you just want to list OCLC records with no link, you still can do that of course. The instructions do need an update - they need to start pointing to external identifiers as well (so people know not to put those in notes anymore). On the publication level, the templates are to be used when the link cannot be pulled into an External Identifier (thus the way the note is written) - related records and so on. I will work on a proposed new documentation (thanks for the reminder) :) So technically it won't have more blue ink - same number of links remain, they just look a bit different.<br />
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::::: Think of the templates as links shortcuts - if it is on the list and you are adding a link, use the shortcut instead :) They do not replace all links (if the format does not suit what you are doing, go for a real link), neither they replace non-linked references. They are just links for the references(or texts for a few special cases - the Translator one is a text only but its usage will help us find all records with a Translator note when the feature for that is implemented).<br />
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::::: So the note here from me is not about the cases where you are not linking but when you are (I think I changed only those - did I manage to change by mistake something that was not a link initially? Apologies if I did - please send an update removing the template and I will approve it). <br />
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::::: If you would like a discussion on when it is worth using those and when not, go ahead. But as I said, my note is just for the case where you already have a direct link. As I said above - I find your notes very informative so I am not arguing why you have the references - I am just pointing out that we have a faster and more stable way to do the links now :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:06, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Supernaturalist ==<br />
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I thought that only illustrators were classified as Cover Artists and not designers? In your verified version of {{P|562749|The Supernaturalist}} the cover artists are specified as Alexander Garkusha and Stephan von Bolderick. On the back cover of my copy of {{P|116881|The Supernaturalist}} it states <I>Cover design by Alexander Garkusha. 3-D rendering by Stephan van Bolderick</I>. Note it is <I>van</I> not <I>von</I>. So I wonder if they should be removed from the Cover Artist field. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 10:18, 29 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: No doubt ''van'' Bolderick, as I wrote in the Note. Certainly I didn't notice that our Author name we have is Stephen ''von'' Bolderick, and I don't recall whether that was my typo or whether the Dutch-language cover was in the database, which I imported or merged without seeing the variant spelling.<br />
: The Dutch edition is not verified now. I don't how to find any creators of that publication record P{{p|528633}}, nor whether we maintain records from which any administrator can find them. Since I understand ''van'' to be Dutch and ''von'' German, I suppose the Dutch edition states ''van''. <br />
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: '''Main point.''' See three others of mine, the trilogy {{s|Philippa Fisher}}, re which I did initiate relevant Rules & Standards discussion that you should read, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive14#Entering_authors_as_credited--complex_attributions Entering authors as credited--complex attributions]. One aspect re ''The Supernaturalist'' must be whether "Digital Vision" should be credited as an author, or Garkusha, etc. Probably I judged that discussion inconclusive as a guide to practice. If you "search the database" for probably offending Names --[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=digital+vision&type=Name Name search : Digital Vision], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=istockphoto&type=Name : iStockphoto], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=getty+images&type=Name : Getty] -- you will probably be offended!<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:08, 10 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Answering your inquiries. ==<br />
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Just to let you know I answered your inquiry to best of abilities for now. Please let me know how you want to proceed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:17, 28 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Page Numbers for Ebooks ==<br />
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Ebooks shouldn't have page numbers. Even though many Project Gutenberg transcriptions leave the "page numbers," they don't equate to real pages so we don't record them. I accepted your edits to ''Edmund Dulac's Fairy-Book: Fairy Tales of the Allied Nations'', but edited the publication to change the page numbers from "#" to "|#" (this uses the page numbering for ordering purposes, but doesn't display it). Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:00, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
: OK. Now I submitted the page numbers to the 1st ed. (Hodder & Stoughton, 1916), which are identical, from its HathiTrust e-copy. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3578155 Submission 3578155]<br />
:: Note to self: identical pagination but extended by one extra story p171-74, namely the lead story in 1915 ''Edmund Dulac's Picture-Book for the French Red Cross'' announced ''The Observer'' 1915-09-19 p3, promoted -11-21 p5 "should and will be the gift book of the season" at 3/- , with "appeal for funds to be sent to him direct, care of the Daily Telegraph" [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100298600 at HDL] <br />
: This list of Contents (to be checked tomorrow) is nearly as long as I am happy to fix manually --add page numbers to each record and, as i recall, import one here and two there. Do you think it is reasonable to complete Contents in publication A; remove all contents from publication B; export all contents from A to B with page numbers? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:48, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, that works if all the page numbers are the same. Be sure to add notes to the moderator explaining what you are doing when you remove the contents. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:50, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: I'll try that some next time. Frequently the sequence of Contents is identical in multiple publication records, perhaps because a previous editor has Export Contents or Clone from one to the other, after adding Contents but without page numbers (or sequence as published). In this case, however, the Contents were once as published and once alphabetical by title! (and a couple were missing) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:17, 25 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== McClure's - 1906 ==<br />
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I have your addition of a McClure's magazine on hold. What month is this issue? It should be entered as an individual issue (McClure, Month Year) so the publication has the correct title. The title record would then get merged into a single year title. Also, you did not include a source statement in the pub notes field. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:44, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
: If it is to be done that way, I need some instruction, not found at Help > New Magazine. After a summer of much reduced activity I have forgotten much that I didn't use frequently. <br />
: As I suggest in the Note to Moderator [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3601041], I planned to merge the two "McClure's - 1906" with the old Note and new date 1906-00-00 (rather than 1906-06-00). Offhand I don't know how to merge to Title records that do not share author ("Editors of McClure's") and nearly share title. I merge only via the "Check Duplicate Titles" feature of the summary bibliography [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?115684]. In fact, I don't believe that I have forgotten another way to merge!<br />
: Then I would fix the Publication title and give it date 1906-05-00 (rather than 1906-00-00). <br />
: Thanks in advance. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:19, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::While that makes merging the title records easier, the problem is that it creates a publication record titled "McClure's - 1906". The publication record needs to be "McClure, Month Year". I've gone ahead and approved it so you can {{P|638128|see what I mean}}. Please fix it. Usually, the easiest way to combine magazine records into a single title record is to go to the editor's summary page ({{A|Editors of McClure's|115684}} in this case) and use the "Show All Titles" link. That will show the titles and you can select and merge them from there. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:35, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: Done.<br />
::: Perhaps in the past I submitted a New Magazine (Publication record) whose annual (Title record) year is not yet represented in the database. Probably Mhhutchins, who moderated most of my first 500, taught the other approach in that context. Of course there would be no Merge step at all: 1. create the annual Title record, 2. fix the Publication record that is automatically generated. Do you recommend another approach in that context? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:02, 22 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::I would recommend using add new magazine and setting the magazine title to the correct thing (ex: "McClure, March 2018"). Then either use show all titles to merge the title records or change the title record to "McClure - 2018" and then using check for duplicates to merge. I think that approach is clearer. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:46, 23 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Frank Adams ==<br />
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I have your Frank Adams related edits on hold. While I agree the cartoon and illustrator are likely to be different people, what is your sourcing for the people you identify? Your moderator notes seems to make it sound like you are assuming they are the respective artists vs. having a source. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:42, 5 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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: OK. First I will add another book or three by Frank Adams, at least ''Alice in Wonderland''. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:57, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::Not exactly sure how to interpret that... For now, I rejected the edits & then disambiguated the artist. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:23, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::: OK. I see you disambig'd them in the opposite fashion. Last hour I submitted one publication of the 1912 ''Alice in Wonderland'' as by Frank Adams. I now know that he is the illustrator of ''The Wolf-Leader'' and many nursery rhymes, etc, but I am out of time. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:36, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::::I flipped them. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:31, 7 December 2017 (EST)<br />
::::: Thanks <br />
1. {{a|Frank Adams}}, British illustrator of nursery picture book mainly, is clear from the library records i consulted and some crucial images available online. AuthorUpdate [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3644945 submission 3644945] is experimental in format regarding how to use the {BREAK} command; I don't know whether that can be previewed when used correctly.<br><br />
: That update has been approved and I see that I did use {BREAK} adequately, as double-braces inline. ... (continued below)<br />
His Top 20 works/titles at WorldCat appear to be 15 nursery picture books, ''The Compleat Angler'' and ''Alice'', and three other books for adults including ''The Wolf-Leader'' (and two non-genre). Those three are not in the British Library catalogue as by "Frank Adams, 1871-1944" but the others are, and signatures show that this Frank Adams is the same one who provided a few illustrations for ''Wolf-Leader'' (and ''Barbara''). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:25, 7 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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2. {{a|Frank Adams (I)}}, creator of two cartoons published in 1950s pulp magazines, I did suppose on Tuesday to be the American WWII cartoonist 1914-1987 with page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Adams_%28artist%29 at English Wikipedia]. (I don't say "covered" at Wikipedia and know that that page may be deleted.) I have more data on this Frank Adams but I don't know that any should be used. Perhaps only indicated in a Note.<br><br />
: Only occasionally during the last few months I continue to add content to Author and Bio space in the ISFDB Wiki. Almost always that is update of an existing page, and commonly one that I created myself. (On instruction by Mhhutchins late in his tenure here, previously I used database Note fields where available, Magazine Publisher Series, but the Note field was not available for Author records.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:01, 7 December 2017 (EST) <br />
I did suppose the match with Frank Adams (I) on the evidence only that cartoonist and time-period are fitting; American nationality fits the 1952/1953 Ziff-Davis publications; and his [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56221 April 1953 ''Amazing Stories''] title "Lathrop, I'll have to ask you to stick with the rest of the party." (page 105) plus the following story title "The Invaders" (page 107) both broadly fit the war-time cartoonist reputation. Well, it seems likely to me that an American pulp published during the Korean War would run a cartoon by a known WWII cartoonist. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:44, 7 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:I found an example of his signature on-line and it is very similar to the cartoon. Without definitive proof though, I'm leery of bibliography by coincidence. That's an easy path to making errors. I added the info to the author notes for {{A|Frank Adams (I)|263053}}. As for the wiki, we are no longer using it for new notes. It is in the process of being phased out (very slowly, content is being copied from the wiki to the relevant notes field & the wiki pages deleted). Mhhutchins instructions would have been before that change. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:32, 8 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== The Adventures of a Brownie, As Told to My Child ==<br />
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Hi, I approved your submission for {{T|2191680|The Adventures of a Brownie, As Told to My Child}}, but the note contents you submitted look like they are a bit messed-up. Did you probably forget some text in the note (see the "Uncredited" there)? Also, the HTML formatting of the bullet points was not correct. The correct HTML structured is like this (the text goes ''behind'' the <nowiki><li></nowiki> element, not before):<br />
<source lang="html4strict"><br />
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<li>Item 1<br />
<li>Item 2<br />
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Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 15:13, 30 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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: I did mean the first item simply "Uncredited". I submitted a format fix. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:24, 30 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Project Gutenberg Links ==<br />
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When the Project Gutenberg text has been entered as publication, links to Project Gutenberg test do not belong at the title level as they specific to that single publication. The software will automatically link to Project Gutenberg on the publication page for the Project Gutenberg ebook. And when the Project Gutenberg text has not been entered as a publication, it is usually better to enter the Project Gutenberg ebook as a new publication than to add a title record level link. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:45, 26 February 2018 (EST)<br />
: Hi. Under what conditions does the software provide a link to any Project Gutenberg Ebook? For instance publication record P{{p|416826}} does not evidently provide a link even to Project Gutenberg itself (that is, I don't know where it is displayed) although the Catalog ID and Publisher fields are completed correctly. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:01, 26 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::It is on the left, under "Other Sites". --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:11, 27 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Cloning backward in time ==<br />
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Hello, when you clone a record "backward" in time as you did with <i>These Little Ones</i>, the contents appears on our cleanup report lest you change their dates (that are set the cloned book later date). It means that you have either to change the dates in the to-be-cloned record first (in one go) or to change the individual dates after cloning at title level (which is whay I had to do). Thanks for remembering this potential problem. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 02:01, 27 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Type changes ==<br />
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Hi, <br />
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When changing the type of a title with a single publication, you can change it via the "Change Publication" screen together (as it is a single, it does not get greyed out) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:19, 30 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Hugh Haughton ==<br />
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You mentioned a WorldCat link in the moderator note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?116402 the edit of this guy] ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3776102 note visible here]) but there was no WorldCat link in the bunch? And all 3 you have added are confirmed - they work and they point where they should :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:09, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. That composition was nearly ready to submit when I discovered and visited the Wikipedia page. I copied that URL and replaced the WorldCat as Webpage 2 but neglected to change WorldCat to Wikipedia in the Note to Moderator. <br />
: (I add WorldCat links only to author pages where English[and some other] Wikipedia biography page is not available with that link at the foot, which sometimes but rarely pertains to a second WorldCat page for the same person. Not so for LCCN, as English[at least] Wikipedia routinely provides LCCN link without point of entry to the Online Catalog, which is the main point in my opinion.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:30, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: I never use WorldCat for authors so I was not looking for the link specifically - I pinged you only because I saw the note and decided to let you know that I do not see the referenced link - when editors write notes (which is always a great thing to do), I make sure I pay attention :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:42, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks for the notice. Please continue under similar circumstances. <br />
::: By policy I begin the line "[br]later" when it and all that follows is a note to self. Since "later check newspapers" is most common and commonly first stated, and I may have 1000 submissions such, I suppose that regular moderators know "later ..." is a note to myself (albeit commonly revealing grounds for more confidence in the submission, even at a glance). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:51, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::: Oh, I know - I tended to do the same :) Still do - even as a moderator - actually. I was coming over anyway to let you know that you are missing a link - so I checked the other 2 - otherwise I would have left it for you to figure out and check (as I usually do) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:55, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Hard Reject on Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass ==<br />
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I had to hard reject the edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325659 this title]. The earlier merge of the two introductions retained the ID of the title that was not originally in this one - so this submission became invalid. I think I got the idea so I reapplied the |1-4 numbers - can you just verify that I got the order correctly (the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3776036 submission] shows only the first 2 elements - the two novels - and I extrapolated from there). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. It's good. My purpose was only to mimic the Contents display by another editor at the 2010 ed./printing P{{p|325659}}. Sometimes I submit "2nd of 3", etc, in foolish sequence, or neglect to numeral one of them. Even if I were perfect clerically, I would need study to learn when a particular sequence is necessary. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:41, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Any merge can cause troubles (depending on which ID remains and which one is dropped - you have a 50/50 chance of a followup update being valid) - so if you are doing a sequence that will contain a merge, either send the Merge first and wait for it to be approved or do all BUT the merge and when all is done, submit the merge. The sequence is good - it tells a moderator that you are working on it so they do not need to jump and do the next steps (and it also tells them to look for the rest of the sequence). Other actions that can cause issues: A date/name change of a story/essay/another element via "Publication Edit" - if someone clones/adds publication (thus making these unavailable for edit from the pub edit page), the edit is also erroring. Any deletes will also cause issues. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:46, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There ==<br />
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Why are you trying to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3777027 clone another publication] and not just edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?529935 this one]? What are the differences between the two? It needs a name change from what I can see (title page vs cover) but it seems to be the same book? Am I missing something? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:26, 10 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: I didn't know the two print publications were in the database when I submitted that, only the ebook. <br />
: Please hold the submission. For now I'll fix the ebook instead and leave both print ISBn 978-0-14-310762-0 publications in the database for discussion. I don't know the database model well enough, and don't trust its execution well enough anyway, to judge whether or not those two are "the same book". So ISBn 978-0-14-310762-0 is in the database three times for now, two approved and available in publication view and others, one on hold. <br />
: At Community Portal the heading will be some something like "Penguin Books and Penguin Books (US), for instance". <br />
: P.S. Only now I discover the advanced publication search by external identifier, eg [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/external_id_search_results.cgi?ID_TYPE=1&ID_VALUE=B00OQS4C8S ASIN B00OQS4C8S]. It needs several steps so I won't routinely use it in Note to Moderator but it's good to have.<br />
: --Pwendt 14:31, [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:51, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Both the book you are trying to submit and the one we have say Penguin Books (US) so I am not entirely sure what you mean. It is the same ISBN, the same format, the same dates an it is not verified - no reason to believe it is a different book. I can accept yours and delete the one we have but in the future, try to search by ISBN before adding (that would have found the tp) :) Let me know if you want me to proceed with approving and deleting the duplicate. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:52, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::: Our two records of print ISBn 978-0-14-310762-0 publications say "Penguin Books" and "Penguin Books (US)", whose meaning I will pursue. I prefer those two records remain, temporarily. I submitted the Charlie Lovett edition-edition (Penguin Classics Deluxe Edition) in its digital edition-format if you know what I mean. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:24, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::: One is the US edition, one is the UK edition. They are ok. This is standard handling for the publishers that are publishing on both sides of the ocean. The issue here is the THIRD one you are trying to add, that will be an exact copy to the already existing US one. Which will end up with 2 US and 1 UK edition of the ISBN and the two US ones are exactly the same. Thus one needs to go. Yours have more details so I can accept it and delete the existing US one - so we will still have 2 at the end. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:35, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I've approved yours, deleted the duplicate. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:38, 20 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: OK. Having returned from a very long weekend I continue work in progress on the Lovett, Haughton, and Green omnibus eds. of Alice. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:31, 24 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== About your test ==<br />
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<nowiki>{{LCCN|n79072843}}</nowiki> works in the regular notes; it does not work in the moderator notes :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:00, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}}<br />
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== Three Gothic Novels ==<br />
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Did you mean to add "1 belated hit 2018-04-26 in US newspapers:" in the NOTES of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?224681 this one]? If so - can you add more notes clarifying what exactly that means because it reads like gibberish to me and it does not connect to the rest of the notes in any way or form :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:20, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: ("belated" was inspired --or uninspired obscurity as you say-- for the late newspaper date; in notice on the retired verifier's talk page [[User talk:Swfritter#Three Gothic Novels]], I used boldface emphasis to the same effect<br />
: Yes, I'll do that--tomorrow unless I must forego the university library until Saturday (*). It turns out that I do hit the book as "Three Gothic Novels" in 1966 newspapers --which I missed in "Castle of Otranto" search yesterday-- so I will rewrite the offending note. But I must depart.<br />
:(*) I save links from successful search such as this but they operate only when I am again at the university library, benefiting from a building subscription to ProQuest Historical Newspapers. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:17, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: And I'll rearrange/format Gutenberg 696 P{{p|338196}} --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:18, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: {{Done}}. And done. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:06, 28 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Heartsease ==<br />
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This kind of details belong to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558917 proper pub note], not just the moderator ones. So I moved them in. Feel free to rewrite. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:45, 30 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}}<br />
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== Source ==<br />
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Any source that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3805737 this] does not actually have a cover from Stacey? Just because WorldCat says that there are 6 illustrations, that does not mean that he did not do the cover as well. Or am I missing something here? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
: The record gives no other source. Probably someone cut and paste hastily to the cover art field; evidently careless as interior art not entered. As I depart. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:42, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: OK then. I was also looking around and cannot find the attribution. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:38, 3 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}}<br />
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== The Beast of Bradhurst Avenue ==<br />
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Hey, thanks a lot for digging through ProQuest for me; I found all the chapters and created serial records for them, so it's all finished now. Best, --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 16:08, 11 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Marianne Dreams ==<br />
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Can you please revise this statement: "Price from capsule in "Briefing"" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?672161 Marianne Dreams]? I am not sure what capsule would mean here and/or what you meant but as it stands, it is unclear. I can just revise it to read "Price from the "Briefing" section" but if you meant something else, please go ahead and revise it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:10, 28 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Done (capsule review) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:46, 28 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Planned Project Scope Expansion ==<br />
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(I am leaving this note on the Talk pages of some of the more active editors to make sure that we are not missing anything. If you have been following [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this Rules and Standards discussion] and agree with the proposal, please ignore this note.)<br />
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As per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this discussion], [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] is about to be expanded to include:<br />
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* Speculative ''fiction'' webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues<br />
* Special speculative ''fiction'' issues of non-genre webzines<br />
* One time speculative ''fiction'' anthologies published on the Web<br />
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If you believe that this scope expansion may cause unforeseen and/or undesirable consequences, please share your thoughts on the Rules and Standards page. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:20, 4 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Emer's Ghost ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Both the cover and OCLC show the author of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3895892 this one] as Sefton and not Waddell. Do you have access to a title page that shows the book credited to Waddell directly? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:21, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
: No, Sefton. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:37, 8 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
: I replaced that submission. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:49, 8 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
{{done}}<br />
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== Ben Shecter ==<br />
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I have approved the addition of Ben Shecter's biographical information and clarified the nature of his theater/film/etc work. I also replaced the link to [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.arts.books.childrens/dGQ9ripbaHA/58gS2iUsWfIJ this Usenet post] with a link to the [http://carriehaddadgallery.com/index.cfm?method=Artist.ArtistDetail&ArtistID=54F43589-19DB-5802-E040D9D389DBFB09 source of Lenona's information]. She posts a lot of useful biobibliographical sketches on Usenet, but her information comes from other sources, which she always credits. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:53, 1 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks. I found the Caddad Gallery page and followed some other links that Lenona provided but I didn't notice any source for "Happy 80th", and thus for the implied birthdate 1935-04-28. Else I would, or should and might, have entered a source URL or two as necessary.<br />
: Concerning the other procedure, Shecter and mis-spelled Shechter, I continue at [[User talk:Ahasuerus#Ben Shecter, Author merge]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:38, 1 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''A Sensational Trance'' ==<br />
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I accepted your edit to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558644 A Sensational Trance], but could you please look again at the note as it appears incomplete. I'm particularly puzzled by "8vo.", and the final word '"Downey' Thanks for checking. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 18:33, 11 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
: done by phone. --Pwendt<br />
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:: Further discussion [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Pwendt#A_Sensational_Trance_-_round_2 below]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:11, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Miss Pickerell and the Weather Satellite'' ==<br />
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I have approved the addition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?678124 this record] and edited the notes data for readability. Hopefully nothing got lost in the process :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:53, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks for your attention. For all three mid-Saturday submissions with that Note to Moderator, "continue on return to library, look for another image", I anticipated that the incomplete submissions would be approved sometime Sunday at latest; I would check against the books, augment or correct as necessary, and format in my usual style, as for the one (of four Miss Pickerell in the Ace series) that is from secondary sources only [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3929957].<br />
: The latter is the only one of all Miss Pickerell in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?80 Archway / Pocket Books] edition (#1 to #12? or more?) for which Amazon US --on that product page defined by ISBN -- provides a cover image of the US issue, apparently 1st printing.<br />
: Now I won't be able to get back to the library copy this fortnight (August vacation looms). I haven't adjusted to the long submission queue, and perhaps I won't need to adjust, if it turns out that other people's August vacation is the primary cause. (In the long shadow of the queue, however, I spent my Sunday time reading wiki pages rather than working here. I was dismayed to learn that Hauck has departed, where I had supposed my own "graduation" to less meticulous or less experienced moderators--supposed that he was continuing to mentor the sophomore class, if you know what I mean.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:29, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: The vacation season is likely one part of the problem since a number of our moderators have been on vacation over the last few weeks. Another part -- and I can only speak for myself here -- is that I find your submissions time-consuming to process, so they tend to stay in the queue longer than other submissions. Your notes are usually well-researched and informative, but they can be hard to parse. Much of the time I am not even sure what they are supposed to mean, so I can't edit them for readability. I realize that you are doing your best and I greatly appreciate the work that you do. Unfortunately, I don't really know how we could improve the process :-( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:49, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''A Sensational Trance'' - round 2 ==<br />
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I have approved your changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558644 this publication] and edited notes for clarity and readability. Could you please clarify "(That is, Crown octavo.)"? Does it mean that "crown 8vo." stands for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavo the Crown octavo book size], i.e. 7½" by 5" (190 mm x 126 mm)? If so, we will want to spell it out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:08, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Little Green Man ==<br />
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Thanks for finding the problem with the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1328301 ''The Little Green Man'']! I am not sure how we ended up with "M'''e'''n" instead of "M'''a'''n", but it was definitely an error. I have checked my copy of Reginald3 and he also says "Man". I have removed all references to the "Men" version.<br />
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I have approved and reorganized your notes for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362069 first edition]. I have a few questions:<br />
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* What does "intended" mean in this context?<br />
* When you write that "The listings in ''Manchester Guardian'' and ''The Academy'' note "[This day.", what exactly does it refer to? Is it the name of the section where the listings appeared?<br />
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Also, I have created a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?678185 new publication record] for the cheaper (3/6) edition and moved the second half of the Notes field there. Hopefully everything looks OK. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:52, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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: It isn't all OK but I don't now have time for any tweaks to the database, nor for whatever reply is appropriate here. It will wait. Thanks for your efforts. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:52, 15 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Tales from Eternity'' publisher ==<br />
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FYI, I found [https://books.google.com/books?id=bJTfAAAAMAAJ&q=tales+from+eternity+allen+unwin&dq=tales+from+eternity+allen+unwin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSqf7etKDeAhVhRN8KHeLfCOEQ6AEITDAF Google Books] shows a snippet with the copyright confirming "George Allen & Unwin Ltd." --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 21:15, 24 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Time Garden ==<br />
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Hello, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394924 this one] is both PV verified and OCLC verified by an active editor(Chavey). Can you drop them a note about the changes you are making (I approved them as they are obvious but as it is a verified book, let's make sure we are not missing something? The old OCLC record was 35301743 (in case we need to restore it). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:22, 16 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Merging Interviews ==<br />
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As long as the names match, the duplicate finder does find them (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_title_dups.cgi?1506768 this]. Are these two the same? If there are more of these, you can use Advanced Search to get them into a mergeable position (or just list them here and I will merge). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:45, 7 December 2018 (EST)<br />
: No others. In effect I merged the other "Go Fish" titles manually, import and remove, which was booked once as ESSAY and once as INTERVIEW. I had expected Aggressive mode to identify the ESSAY and INTERVIEW as author [Natalie Babbitt] duplicates, with identical title and author = interviewee, but it didn't.<br />
: Evidently I have not noticed that Advanced Search enables selection by checkbox. That will be useful sometimes. Thanks.<br />
: (I avoid using the uncredited Author page, and some undated and unknown searches.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:39, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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: Oh, I recall too expecting that last the two listings at {{a|Alexander Gordon Smith}} would be picked up as author duplicates in Aggressive mode. I quote them, just in case someone else completes the merge:<br />
: Interviews with This Author<br />
:* Go Fish: Questions for the Author: Alexander Gordon Smith (unknown) by uncredited<br />
:* Go Fish: Questions for the Author: Alexander Gordon Smith (2012) by uncredited <br />
: Now I suppose that that fails because he is not the "Author" of the interviews, although they are cleverly appended to his "Author" summary bibliography. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:57, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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:: Interviews are special - they have two authors connected to them. This is why they are not that easily mergeable with other types - so they are treated differently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:21, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Jules Verne ==<br />
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Based on your user page, we may have some overlap in our research. You seem to be focused on the Earth to the Moon volumes (currently) in much detail. My initial goal was simply wanting to enter some Jules Verne books I had. I realized the existing entries did not generally differentiate the translations, so I set out to put the first publication of each in, so mine could be in the right place. Then I realized that most of the French versions weren't there and the English would be the first of any publication. So I dug out the first French publications and realized I couldn't enter them, they were in serial form. So that went in the notes and I found the earliest French editions. That's all done so now I'm going through the titles putting in the first publication of each English translation. Then I'll be able to put my verifiable copies in. <br />
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I've run across a few resources that might be of interest. For example [http://www.julesverne.ca/jvbookSampsonLow.html this] history of the Sampson Low publishers. If you think it's worth comparing notes, it might be easier if you email me directly. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:59, 23 February 2019 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. That info is similar to that Library of Congress provides, citing "Brown, P.A.H. London publishers and printers, c. 1800-1870, c1982", which link[https://lccn.loc.gov/no2008108391] is part of my last hour [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4203099 submission 4203099]. I must be the author of most publisher pages that look like that one, with heavy use of blank lines to format and template {publisher} to link predecessor and successor publishers.<br />
: I am 15 minutes past closing time so let me tonight postpone all matters of ISFDB substance.<br />
: 1. Do I know where to email you? Are you the maintainer of julesverne.ca, compiled from what you have "run across", or is that one of the resources you have "run across"?<br />
: 2. I see that you use U Winnipeg and U Manitoba. Perhaps you have access to ProQuest Historical Newspapers there? That is what I use to search newspapers and magazines, largely from 100+ years ago so that the books are likely to be available at HathiTrust or elsewhere online. <br />
: Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:22, 23 February 2019 (EST)<br />
::Use the "E-mail this user" link in the toolbox on the left from my user page. Include an email address I can reply to, as I'm not sure ISFDB provides one. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:37, 23 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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An interesting source of information based on series publishers available at: [https://seriesofseries.owu.edu/ Ohio Wesleyan University]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:05, 4 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks, Doug. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:46, 4 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of the Supernatural: Six Romantic Stories ==<br />
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Hi, You [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4302413 change the book author] to James Platt, Junior, but leave all stories in the book a by James Platt? Father and son?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:17, 10 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Dirk, There is only one 19th century James Platt likely to be in our database, as far as I know (sometimes credited/named/reported as Junior, Jun., Jr., or the Younger). Yesterday I revised one title to create James Platt (I) {{a|294141}} because I suppose that Letter is contemporary to its 1982 publication. <br />
: As I depart today:<br />
: {{a|James Platt}} (undifferentiated) remains --to be credited as "James Platt, Junior" for the 1894 edition. Because we have latterday publications of the 1894 stories (and one or two for the entire collection) as by James Platt, and more must be expected, that name should be canonical, I understand. <br />
: Today I decided there is no good way to revise the 1894 publication record, so I created [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4302846 Pending New Publication Submission 4302846], which generates new COLLECTION titles and 6 new SHORTFICTION titles. And I prepared to make 6 variants by specifying the matching short story length.<br />
: '''The submission that you have on hold''' may be canceled. I suppose it should be retained for your reference, so I do not try "Cancel submission" --which may or may not be technically permitted during "Hold", as far as I know. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:53, 11 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Old-Fashioned Fairy Tales ==<br />
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Project Gutenberg works (like any other work) should be credited per their title page, not by how Project Gutenberg indexes the author. I have approved the entry of {{P|721813|Old-Fashioned Fairy Tales}}, but changed the author credit to Juliana Horatia Ewing. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:47, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: Project Gutenberg does index this author as JHGE [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/1803] [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/15592]. I don't rely on the index here (nor elsewhere), however, but on the header in which PG reports <br />
Title: Old-Fashioned Fairy Tales<br />
Author: Juliana Horatia Gatty Ewing<br />
Release Date: April 9, 2005 [eBook #15592]<br />
: Before going further here, do you mean to rely on PG representation of the title page of its source text? Is that interpretation somewhere stated at ISFDB.org? It implies that publisher, publication date, and catalog ID are unstated in all PG ebooks, afaik. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:35, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::We credit '''authors''' per the title page. We don't credit per a header, copyright page, or other front material. We credit per the title page. That applies for all publications. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:01, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks but no thanks. The question is whether we have some consensus to consider Gutenberg representation of the original title page as title page of the ebook. It seems akin to the facsimile of original publisher's title page that many reissues contain.<br />
::: We have many publication records that take Author, Title, Date, and publisher all from the top lines of the Project Gutenberg publication. So I am asking whether we have a consensus. (I know of course that both interpretations are commonly followed.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:23, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::ISFDB standards are straight forward. We credit per the title page. Whether the title page is a facsimile or a transcription is irrelevant. Ebooks (including Project Gutenberg's) have a clear title page and that is what is used. The top lines of the file are clearly not a title page. Some Project Gutenberg publications (typically older ones, but can also happen with newer ones) do not have a title page in which case the header is all we can go by. But when there is a title page, it is to be used. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:04, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hill-Man and the Housewife / The Hill-man and the House-wife / The Hillman and the Housewife ==<br />
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Hi, I need a lot of more reasons to unvariant these titles as that you are presently giving -none.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:08, 5 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
: As I said, our "one hyphen" canonical title happens to appear in one 2018 publication. The title with no hyphens appears in the undated first collection (1882) and in the collection as first half of undated Works (US), Vol III; [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uc2.ark:/13960/t6j09x02z?urlappend=%3Bseq=22 page 8, 1st series].<br />
: The "one hyphen" 2018 title cannot be relegated to variant in one operation, iiuc; all of its own variants must be undone first. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:35, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Dirk, Maybe you can simply do this essentially "at once". There three edits needed to change the canonical title from one-hyphen to no-hyphen, iiuc.<br />
::* undo no-hyphen as variant of one-hyphen "The Hill-Man and the Housewife"<br />
::* make two-hyphen a variant of no-hyphen, rather than a variant of one-hyphen<br />
::* make one-hyphen a variant of no-hyphen<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:38, 6 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: That rearrangement of canonical/variant relations is complete. The steps listed above make it an overnight (or two) process for me. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:52, 8 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== She and Allan ==<br />
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One of the OCLC numbers you are adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4386462 here] says 19 cm, the other one 22 cm. Which is a substantial difference (and usually indicates book club vs mass edition in some cases). Are you sure these are for the same book? If so, we need to note the difference... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:16, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: I don't yet know much --and nothing about what Library and Archives Canada as an online resource. Two McClelland & Stewart editions are not expected but, yes, let's hold this one. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:46, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: I do not know the publisher (much) but the big difference in size bothers me - it may be a typo from OCLC (a note will fix that) - but it also may be two editions for some reason (we've seen weirder). If you have time (and nothing better to do), maybe look through other books from the same publisher around that time and compare sizes and so on? I will keep it on hold - feel free to cancel it when/if you need to edit or ping me when you have more details. I will also see if I can dig something out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::: OK, I approved it for now (because the rest of the information was good) but pulled out OCLC 1032950781. Once we figure out that size difference, we can readd it (or not). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:18, 5 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Editing notes and so on ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4392442 this one]. The Tuck verifier is active. So instead of saying "Tuck probably reports", ask them about it so we can actually have the data properly noted. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:46, 8 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: OK. There is no reason to note such variant reports, of secondary sources that are known to be unreliable, or to adopt other conventions reliably, so I will raise the general questions about Tuck; with some of the Macdonald Illustrated Edition for illustration. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:43, 8 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Cuckoo Clock and The Tapestry Room ==<br />
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You will need to redo [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4405200 the import] - it got damaged. I approved the merge of the imterior arts you submitted before that so I suspect that you were trying to import here that ID (and it went away). Sorry -- let me know if you need any assistance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:47, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: {{done}} --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:53, 17 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Lagerlöf and others ==<br />
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Please don't forget that the DB started as an English only DB and then got the other languages almost grandfathered (the ones that do not use standard Latin-1 kicking and screaming) :) This is why we miss a lot of non-English books - including the omnibus of Selma Lagerlöf that you mentioned. And while in some languages we have editors that had made a lot of progress in adding books, Swedish is not one of them. If you can find that original publication somewhere, it will be good to have :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:25, 18 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Famous Stories Every Child Should Know ==<br />
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I put your submission for the INTERIORART in this pub on hold. When you refer to an on-line source like you do here, you should make that source reachable from the note by using the following: <a href="here you put the URL for the reference">here you put the name of the source</a>. The result will be a blue copy of the name of the source; when a user clicks on it, he will jump to the reference. You can use this method for items in the ISFDB or outside it. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:55, 1 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: OK. Now I import of that INTERIORART to our record of the 1907 1st ed., which provides a reference for the Note closing, "See that publication record." I expect to rewrite the Note entirely based on a thorough check of library records for early editions. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:15, 2 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::O.K., approved. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:15, 2 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== More Fairy Stories Every Child Should Know ==<br />
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We ended up with two of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_pub_dups.cgi?740648 these]. Are you changing something in of them or do I need to delete one of them? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:53, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: We need to delete one. I repaired HTML and rearranged after viewing the submission. Now I submit DeletePub for the earlier publication. Then its ANTHOLOGY Title may be deleted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:10, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: I was sure I saw something different but then looked again and decided to come ask :) Deleted and the old title was also taken care of. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:20, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Omnibus of only stories ==<br />
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Technically, unless you want to import the Collection titles as well, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?565494 this] should be a collection even if its content was published in a few collections before. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:07, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Probably I will use the short titles of the two collections (only one of which happens to be our canonical title now), where online view of the interior is lacking (maybe not to be determined today). It's a slow process to change Type, with submissions not accepted until others are approved, beyond the usual lags. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:25, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: If you see a moderator around, you can always just explain to them what you are trying to do and they can do the change for you much quicker. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:44, 28 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== A trilogy in five parts ==<br />
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Or in your case "a pentalogy in 6", right? :) Made me smile (in case you do not recognize the reference in the title here, let me know).:) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:08, 30 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Dashes, hyphens and the like ==<br />
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— and - are treated differently in the DB so [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4456641 these] will be variants. Unless you can confirm that they use the first in both place. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:54, 2 November 2019 (EDT)<br />
: I submitted MakeVariant in place of TitleMerge and a simple note our source for the spaced hyphen. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:11, 2 November 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Second Bedside Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Did you mean to add all of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296104 this] in the notes or was part of it for the moderator note? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:14, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: "all of this"<br />
: I am able to add the LC record, evidently the source for the one linked at WorldCat, and improve the wording and format. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:32, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Sorry - I meant some of the wording in the note. The revised version reads a lot more like a permanent note so thanks for fixing it :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:56, 6 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Tales of Laughter: A Third Fairy Book ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you confirm that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2638560 Wee Robin's Yule-Song] is indeed in Scots and not in English? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:23, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, Annie<br />
: I cannot. For the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?56191 Library of Fairy Literature], I added or completed most of the publications (early eds. and Gutenberg certainly), and associated author/illustrator, publisher, series Notes. No Contents at all. Only the headers of the COLLECTION notes, which I hope(d) to layout with a break as for volume 1 The Fairy Ring T{{t|2628264}}.<br />
: The work on Contents (as some other fairy/folk tale anth/collections) is by Loviatar with coaching by Dirk J Broer (and slightly me) [[User talk:Loviatar#The Fairy Ring]] (now two sections).<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:47, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: So why is it set to Scots? Any idea? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:02, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: None. No advice except check COLLECTION Titles as well as fiction/poem/essay Titles for anything Loviatar may have noted. Nor do I know how far the "Work in progress" has progressed toward "done". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:13, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: P.S. My understanding is that L hopes to confirm or correct the Publisher Notes that are linked in the second bullet point of each COLLECTION Note, as for Tales of Laughter [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t8v980z3w&view=2up&seq=8 Publisher Note 3]; and to identify "all" not so noted by the publishers. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:19, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Dead Love ==<br />
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When you are merging to eliminate the name as in this case, make sure you select an empty parent at the bottom - otherwise you leave a variant pointing to itself and a second edit is needed to remove the loop. :) I did that for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1102665 this one]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:53, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Same for the other 2 :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:54, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: OK. I'll try to remember that. Somehow we broke the variant relation for the one story with a second pseudonym in the database, title T{{t|2498523}} (restoration submitted). Perhaps that merge preserved the low-number ID. I don't recall any warning that the ID potentially to be vacated is in use elsewhere. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:03, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: Oops. Missed that somehow - it was a circle when I broke it (I think). There is no warning because the system assumes you know what you are doing. Maybe we need one for the case where a merge will result in the ID remaining a variant of itself but just in the meantime, just keep an eye for that. If the parent remains one of the two IDs in the merge, it is the wrong ID and needs cleaning; if it is an independent one, you can leave it in place. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:53, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Dream Weavers: Short Stories by the Nineteenth-Century Pre-Raphaelite Poet-Painters ==<br />
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Changed the link and the text [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1306291 here] - pointing to the painting makes more sense than pointing to the page of the myth ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:17, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. I was redirected from "Hylas and the Nymphs" to "Hylas", and didn't notice the bluelink painting title. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:37, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Second set of eyes and all that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:55, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: (edit conflict!) ''Dream Weavers'' stories generally have adequate title notes. I may be done with that anthology, and back to ''Eerie Book'' stories, almost all identified. But done for today as it's Friday and my newspapers subscription shuts its doors. Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:57, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Popular Romances of the West of England ==<br />
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This is a scan of the [https://archive.org/details/popularromanceso00huntuoft 1908] edition of this work, a newer one than [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281664 the 1865 first edition]. Here's a scan of [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32435023303233&view=1up&seq=9 volume 1 (first edition)] and [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044018072785&view=1up&seq=11 volume 2 (first edition)]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:31, 27 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: HI. I have notes on the source anthologies/collections for the 1898 ''Eerie Book'' anthology stories, and I plan to improve some of our Title and Publication records for those sources next week (as well as maybe "adjust" the story title records). Until then I don't have the screen size to look at online digital copies efficiently--and I don't have any historical newspapers subscription at all. <br />
: (on vacation for the US Thanksgiving holiday) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:29, 27 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Ferdinando Eboli ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to "Ferdinando Eboli". That story appears in a verified pub. As such, please coordinate with the approver (Rtrace). I would note that,, by ISFDB standards, ": A Novel" is not included on pub titles when given in the pub. ": A Tale" could be considered similarly, but I'll leave that up to the verifier. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:56, 16 December 2019 (EST)<br />
: That's OK. I did notify Rtrace, as "(pending approval)", and he may take approval for granted in this case. Evidently he is the editor responsible for adding variant story title "Ferdinando Eboli: A Tale" to the database for this work: {{t|98521}}, in its unique publication 1976 under the author's canonical name. I expect he will agree if/when I return to the point, which I postpone. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:14, 17 December 2019 (EST)<br />
: (growing list) Matters to re/raise with Rtrace concerning ''The Keepsake'' vols PV by reference to Google Books.<br />
: [1] publication date; [2] formats, prices; [3] Ferdinando Eboli subtitle p195; [4] Waverly => Waverley thruout; [5] Laird's Jock in the database, shd it be listed here? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:30, 17 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:58, 19 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Eerie Book ==<br />
: ''concerning 1898 anthology The Eerie Book, T{{t|1337014}}; [[User talk:Anniemod#The Eerie Book]] (2019-11)''<br />
Hello, <br />
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I just updated the Eerie Book reprint. There was only 1 correction: "The Mysterious Horseman (excerpt)" is on page 127 and not 131 as TSI apparently reports. That also accounts for the 1 page story that seemed longer here. All stories notes updated as well so we are all good. And based on that, it does seem like a fascimile quite honestly - all the notes for the old edition apply to the new one... Happy New Year! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:05, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
: Happy New Year. It's no facsimile as the page numbers differ. <br />
: All things considered I infer that the entire book has been re-set to accommodate the title leaf as pp. 1/2 and Contents/Acknowledgments leaf as pp. 3/4. Right? <br />
: And you have reported the page numbers listed in the Contents, which are those of the half-title pages (unnumbered, one-side leaves included in the pagination) usually two leaves before the beginnings of the stories. You have three stories not preceded by illustrations (pp. 125, 129, 137, 155) and two illustrations (probably unnumbered one-side leaves) that face story text (pp. 131, 149). Is that right? <br />
: "Each story starts with a title page (with a short title), most stories then have a picture page (with <s>2 empty pages</s> [must be one empty page -Pwendt 0104; ok -0105] between the title page and the image and then the image and the actual title) and then a title on top of each of the stories."<br />
: If I understand correctly, you have "The Masque" beginning on numbered page 173, and it faces the "actual title" printed on the back of the illustration leaf (unnumbered page 172) facing the beginning of the story text. Contrast [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uc2.ark:/13960/t23b5ww3g?urlappend=%3Bseq=176 1898, pp. 170-71 (view at HathiTrust)]. Is your page 173 identical to 1898 page 171 except for the page number? Is the opposite page another story-title page? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:56, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:: All stories start on odd pages, Title pages and images are also always on odd pages. It is academic at this point if it is a facsimile or not. And the note is correct - there are two empty pages between the original title page of the story and the story itself except in the cases where there are no illustrations - the back of the title page and the back of the illustration page are always empty. Anyway - was just letting you know that the notes are now updated on all stories. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:03, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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:: PS: and yes, The text of The Masque starts on page 173 after having an illustration on page 171 and a title page on 169. Pages 170 and 172 are empty - thus the note for 2 empty pages when there is an illustration. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
::: OK, I understand now what you mean by "actual title"; that's the heading at the top of the page where the story begins. And 2 empty pages: one between the title page and the image and one between the image and the actual title.<br />
::: Does the book anywhere note 15 full-page illustrations (as the J. Shiells 1898 title page credits to WBM)?<br />
::: P.S. There are only 14 in the books, with a unique 15th b/w illustration on front cover(1898) or jacket(1981). I had supposed the U California print copy for 1898 images at HathiTrust to have been vandalized, but I now suppose not, and I plan later to complete the 1898 record incorporating that supposition. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:00, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: I've listed the 14 pages where the internal illustrations are and none of them matches the one on the cover. I looked for a 15th based on the old page but seems like it is indeed the cover. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:06, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Night Side of Nature; or, Ghosts and Ghost Seers ==<br />
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Hi, as we have variants of this title, we have just as many variants of the introduction title and of the conclusion title as these should match the title of the publication in which they are printed. Please do not try to simplify all to one title. And why did we have a canonical with date 1848, and was the 1848 edition left out of that?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:00, 16 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Concerning 5 MakeVariant for the work, which you aptly rejected, thanks for catching that. Probably I mixed up the two title ID numbers. It was my purpose to change every one FROM child of our probably spurious parent title TO child of our certainly correct 1st ed. title. I opened the 5 title records and went through the motions of copy-paste the correct title ID into every one; also the Note to Moderator into every one. But I messed up somewhere. <br />
: How can you ask me why we have a probably-spurious canonical title?<br />
: The actual 1848 edition was left out of that set of relationships because I submitted its removal this afternoon, and a few hours later [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4577097 moderator Biomassbob approved]. The Note to Moderator was clear enough. Except for special cases such as this one, however --last hour when (I suppose) you executed 5/6 of the fix as self-moderator-- its rare that any moderator will go further.<br />
: As a contributor I could not submit more than the single un-merge at once; not submit any new MakeVariant. No further until approval. And then at next stage I could submit only 5/6 of the new MakeVariant. (You rejected those 5 correctly, and executed 4 of them yourself (probably). I submitted the last one, this time correctly, moments ago.<br />
: Good night. I am 2 min overtime. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:03, 16 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: Everything should look alright now. I combined the two 1850 records (one the original, the other te Gutenberg facsimile) and added a link to the 1850 Redfield edition for that publication -not in the least to explain the hyphen that suddenly crept up in that publication -and which was long present in its facsimile. I also made both German introductions a variant of the original English one, etc. Please have a look.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:55, 16 February 2020 (EST)<br />
: I agree from memory: German Lang title records name translator so they are transl of Crowe essays presumably .not new essays for German Lang eds.<br />
: today Monday is USA national holiday and I am here without reasonable screen or keyboard today. So my look may be tuesday. --(from phone without tilde)<br />
::: For the 1850 US ed. P{{p|745806}}, it appears that you corrected the user Chavey titles of COLLECTION and all three ESSAY by merger with the corresponding titles that I created for the Gutenberg edition. And in the publication title you inserted one hyphen. I will submit PubUpdate that aligns the publication and collection titles completely {hyphen semicolon comma hyphen} ''and'' adds a note item, This is the source edition for Project Gutenberg Ebook #[linked]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:55, 18 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Our record of the 1st US ed., PV Chavey, continued: Some merge or variant of 1850 shortfiction titles that originate with this record have been executed by other editors this week. Three remain and I now submit their merge with (or submergence to) the correct titles. (drafted 3 hrs ago but they remain in the queue)--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:37, 19 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== [[Jules Verne Translations]] - wiki ==<br />
:: Related links: [[Talk:Jules Verne Translations]] ; [[User:Holmesd]] <br />
I noticed you'd made some updates to the wiki page. I've put it out in public domain for just such updates and appreciate your contributions. Can I make a request though - please don't bury comments in the source unless they pertain to what a wiki editor would want to see while editing that section. If the comment is related to a title, put it in the TITLE record, if it is a notation of work to be done - put it in your work list. I should put something on the philosophy and mechanics in the Discussion page. I've a few odd problems to sort out (e.g. Michel Verne is author but Jules Verne is listed) then I plan to go back through all the entries in the wiki to see if they are still synched to the database and note who owns copies of editions under unspecified translations. <br />
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By the way, the Daniels edition is documented [http://www.julesverne.ca/vernebooks/Sets/jvset-VincentParke.html here] and I hope to get all the Vincent editions done at some point. Having one as a model was as much as that tangent allowed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:24, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: It's good to see Edition d'Amiens documented with images. One of them is adequate to identify many of the books for which HathiTrust provodes interior views. <br />
:: Feel free to remove any hidden comments from that wiki code. I know how to relocate them in the page history if that is useful. <br />
:: I did have in mind that you would see any comments I would leave, as I hurried against deadline at my primary location Wed night, prior to five nights away. I will not contribute much before next Wed, only tidbits that are reasonably efficient without adequate screen display. [[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:20, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
: By the way, Gutenberg may be a publisher, but their text should be sourced from an actual prior publication. As such, I would not expect to see any reference to Gutenberg in the wiki page, just as I would not expect to see a TITLE entry in ISFDB with only a Gutenberg entry or one as the earliest entry. Although I should probably use the word 'hope' rather than 'expect'. I'll probably end up making a list for Jules Verne and going back to expand these cases. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:24, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:: In the next few days I will do the Gutenberg editions (6) of Baltimore Gun Club stories (3) in the sense of your optimistic hope. That is, complete Gutenberg ebook publication records and undertake parallel coverage of print editions, with ancillary updates.<br />
:: Maybe also Gutenberg editions of Captain Hatteras (3), and the Daniels ''Works of Jules Verne 3'' (contains Hatteras II and the two Moon stories, but does not appear to be a Gutenberg source edition). --21:55, 4 March 2020 (EST)<br />
::: You should probably check out [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Project_Gutenberg_titles_and_dates this] request on the Help forum before going too far with this. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:10, 4 March 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: Thanks. I'm broadly aware of the issues. Did read your yesterday update of publisher Project Gutenberg and considered here addressing the issue of your what you expect .ahem .and hope .optimistic .above.<br />
:::: I'm in USA EST so this is late for me. (no tilde here) --Pwendt 00:10 EST<br />
:::: PS I suspect that Gutenberg use of multiple source editions is not common .often .nowadays. --pwendt 00.19 EST<br />
::::: Sounds like a plan. I'll be verifying/fixing the wiki page vs. the actual titles (testing links, adding notes on number of 'parts', original sub-titles, verifying earliest pub dates). Looks like my biggest problem is all the Fiztroy editions I added. Once that's done (days to weeks) I'll make a list of verified pubs in 'unspecified' translations and get in touch with primary verifiers to see if they can/will update the translator / translation. Maybe then I'll try fixing the "Voyages extraordinaires" series. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:09, 5 March 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::: So you hope for every publication record to contain a statement that identifies the translator (including Unknown translator --and Unknown translation text, altho not for Gutenberg eds.)? ISFDB may be close to a consensus for that. I would support it, meaning that such statements will not be at the option of Primary Verifiers.<br />
:::::: Where the translator is not credited, I would support that any statement such as this, which identifies the grounds, must be accepted. "This is the translation by Doe, credited in its 1874 first publication [link to {p|}], relying on comparison of the first two paragraphs."<br />
:::::: Where Gutenberg does not contain a title page transcript, I have occasionally stated grounds for identifying a source edition, and I'll try to be more than occasional going forward. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:27, 5 March 2020 (EST)<br />
::::::: Ideally, for any PUB record for a translation, it should identify the translator (either because it's stated or by some other means). The associated TITLE record should repeat the information, and explain how to tell in the absence of a direct statement. Editors may feel that putting the PUB under the correct TITLE is sufficient but it does not allow someone to determine if a PUB has been correctly or erroneously placed - which is where I/we find ourselves today. There will always be a potential need for a 'bit-bucket' TITLE, for people entering PUBs without access to the necessary pages or information. Gutenberg PUBs should follow the same rule. My expectation for Gutenberg's never being the <u>oldest</u> PUB is simply because the older edition which it is based on should also be in the database. I have been cleaning up the Jules Verne as best I can, digging out first editions of known translations, standardizing the text in the TITLE entries, chasing down anomalies and creating a single huge cross-reference (wiki). To whatever extent you're willing to help sort this out, I thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:41, 5 March 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Deletion of container titles ==<br />
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Hi, better unmerge a title from a cannonical, than deleting a container title. If you change the publiction title and unmerge afterwards you have created the new title record with the new name automatically.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:44, 18 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
: So you suggest • PubUpdate that includes change of the title field, and let the Container title alone for now (Note to Moderator such as "later handle Title record"). • After the Pubdate is approved, Unmerge. • After the Unmerge is approved (which creates a Title record named for the unmerged Publication), MakeVariant.<br />
: Right?<br />
: And the Container may be a NOVEL such as ''The Paradise of the North'' (with subtitle sometimes).<br />
: For a CHAPBOOK (routinely, whose title should match the contained SHORTFICTION title), the second and third steps would be Unmerge (2) and MakeVariant (2), one each for the CHAPBOOK and SHORTFICTION. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:10, 18 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wonderful History of Peter Schlemihl ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?767507 This] does not look long enough to be a novel and we have quite a lot of editions of it as a short fiction: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1566992 here]. Which will make this whole book a collection (more than one story so cannot be a chapbook). Let me know if you want me to fix it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:46, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't recall whether a re-class from NOVEL has been executed in the database recently, as I have largely missed much of the last week as a contributor. I added several publs this season. I do call it a novella in all notes, most of which are now offline.<br />
: Please accept all submissions as CHAPBOOK --no COLLECTION nor ANTHOLOGY-- despite that most publs include some "short story" contents by the primary author and others --fictitious essays, etc, by the author and one or more editors. That is, same as dozens of editions currently indb.<br />
: I'm not sure what you can do about correction of a submitted NOVEL (and now another one) as CHAPBOOK containing novella. One priority for me is to lose little or no source code, as some is composed with pains online. <br />
: Another New Novel submission based on the same work is in the queue. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:11, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I fixed this one to a chapbook (for now... if the other poems/stories are technically inside, it is fine as a chapbook) :) I also approved and fixed the other one as well. See if anything else needs fixing. It may be a good idea to check the type when you are returning to a project :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:41, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks for the fix. Yes, it's best to check type when returning to a work, and also when adding a new work :--)<br />
::: What do you mean, "other poems/stories are technically inside"?<br />
::: (Truncate and re-try hours later.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:36, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Argh. I was thinking of another chapbook earlier that had poems inside of the main novella but listed on their own for indexing. Ignore that part. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:42, 8 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wreck of the Titan ==<br />
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Please remember that we credit based on the title page and not based on the cover. Neither edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2713213 here] (the 2020 reprints) have the subtitle on their title page (Look inside is pretty helpful on that). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:22, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
: They do display the subtitle on the title page, as well as the front cover. The interior title page (sometimes called half-title, but it follows the title page and other front material). What you have in mind is that as a single-story collection, rather than a novel, we may (and frequently do) create CHAPBOOK and novella SHORTFICTION records with different titles.<br />
: While that is permitted, it's something that some moderators do not approve. Shall I resubmit PubUpdates with subtitle added to the publication and CHAPBOOK alone, and leave the novella without the subtitle? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:32, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: No, I am not. Please show me where do you see the subtitle on a title page - because ANY internal page I see misses it - particularly obvious on the kindle book. We go by title page, not by cover. This subtitle is not printed anywhere inside of the book - so it does not make it on our title. If you disagree, feel free to open a discussion on R&S. Please do not resubmit incorrect corrections. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:44, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Never mind - apparently I need coffee or a better mouse. I will fix them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:46, 13 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A Story of the Stone Age ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4627292 this one] - is that story a novella or a novelette? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:16, 21 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Novella, as Project Gutenberg text of 22730 words inclg headings. ([http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27365/27365-h/27365-h.htm#Page_59 Ebook #27365], Tales of Space and Time, by Herbert George Wells) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:11, 21 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! I fixed the 2 novelettes and approved the variant and added an approximate length note :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:19, 21 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) After [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4627020 this edit], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57475 A Story of the Stone Age] now shows up on the cleanup report 'Title Dates after Publication Dates'. The note says it was first published under this title November 1927, but the first 6 publications (3x Tales of Space and Time and 3x The Short Stories of H. G. Wells) have publication dates before this date. Which is true? Thanks for checking. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 09:15, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks. Singular title "A Story", revised from "Stories", appears in the 1899-dated Doubleday & McClure collection ([https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015030719671?urlappend=%3Bseq=11 Contents list] viewed at HathiTrust). The Harper collection is 1900-dated.<br />
: (I haven't read the novella, or 5 stories, and don't know whether it/they should be considered a novella here, rather than a subcollection of 5 stories. Wells calls "A Story" and "A Story" (see Contents list), "two series of linked incidents" in Introduction to a 1911 collection.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:45, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::That means I can change the date to 1899-00-00 and add a note about first publication in the Doubleday & McClure collection? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:13, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Hi, Willem. I have submitted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4628649 TitleUpdate] as I would do it, with note "(best hold for Willem H.)" I am working on the collection, publications 1899/1900 and Project Gutenberg; my TitleUpdate notes, in advance, "Concerning the stated and actual publication dates, see the collection record." <br />
::: Let me tell you what I know. You tell me, or show me, how you would revise the variant-story-Title record on these points.<br />
::: From newspaper/magazine sources November/December 1899: Certainly the UK edition (Harper & Brothers, 1900-dated) was published before the US (Doubleday & McClure, 1899-dated). Early November. I plan to expand the two publication records as 1900 (Harper, with note of its November 1899 publication) and 1899-11 (D & McC, with note that the source for November is only a listing as received by 1899-11-30). <br />
::: There are multiple UK reviews in Saturday weeklies -11-11 and numerous reviews -11-11 to -12-02. (Known US reviews in daily newspapers -12-03 and -12-16.) Harper/UK advertisements of new/forthcoming books during October note this one "In the Press". 1899-11-04 advertisement notes "Ready This Week". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:05, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Almost exactly as I would have done it. Thanks! and approved. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:15, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Time Machine: An Invention: Authoritative Text, Backgrounds and Contexts, Criticism ==<br />
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Are you sure that the title page of the NOVEL (not the full book) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327847 here] is really " The Time Machine: An Invention: Authoritative Text, Backgrounds and Contexts, Criticism" and not "The Time Machine: An Invention: Authoritative Text" or "The Time Machine: An Invention" or "The Time Machine"? I have no trouble with the book title but in none of the Nortons I have, the text of the novel itself has the complete title of the book on its first/title page. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
: (I'm not sure what I submitted. I don't recall that I did change the title of the novel Title; I may have done so because I understand that our rules require it, so long as we book The Time Machine as a novel --and the publication as a novel, because it contains no other novel.)<br />
: On the contrary, I doubt that the work appears with the long title inside the book. However, for publications that we classify as novels, we require a match of publication title and work title. So a book like Annotated Wizard of Oz, Definitive Frankenstein, and so on --supposing we book the main work as a novel-- requires a new and matching NOVEL title record. We always ignore the interior title page, or heading, of the one work in the novel publication that we classify as a novel. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:35, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Not if the title page does not carry the matching title - and especially in cases with subtitles. We see that a lot more with NON-FICTION where US and UK tend to use different subtitles - so we have two ways to handle - subtitle-less title with pub titles having their subtitles or variants (I vastly prefer the first approach...). In this case, the "we record as on the title page" comes into play -- and because it will differ only by subtitle, it is not even a weird case. Annotated and Definitive are different because the title is not changed with a subtitle. Differences because of subtitles does not even register for the "different pub and title" report exactly for that reason. My gut feeling here is that we can drop the subtitle on the novel to match what is on the title page and we are good to go but let me think a bit more on that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:56, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Considering the reported Contents titles and the publisher description at Amazon, the novel should be presented in the book as "The Text of <i>The Time Machine</i>". More completely, pp ix-x should be in the arabic numbered pagespan (pages -1 and 0) with the preceding leaf a title page for the first main section of the book as "Authoritative Text". That is, in the format of our publication record (from the previous contributor, perhaps Fixer's assistant, modified by me):<br />
:: -3 — Authoritative Text [title page, first main section]<br />
:: -1 - A Note on the Text [essay by Arata under this heading]<br />
:: 1 - The Text of The Time Machine [novel by Wells begins under this heading, or following this interior title page for the novel]<br />
::: The cited WorldCat record [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/181139351 OCLC: 181139351] provides an ample Contents list, perhaps from the book rather than pre-publication. While the actual pagination shows that "A Note on the Text" and "The Text of ''The Time Machine''" are not clearly presented as the two sections in the first major section Authoritative Text, nevertheless "The Text of ''The Time Machine''" is my best guess for the interior name of the text of the novel. (Certainly I expected that any heading for the novel would include "An Invention", but I now guess that it doesn't.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:58, 30 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: I would just make it "The Time Machine" quite honestly. We skip things like "A Novel" and so on. "The Text of" goes into the same category for me. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:44, 1 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Stolen Bacillus and Other Incidents ==<br />
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Hello. Just checking that you presume March 1896, instead of the 1986 currently in the notes of your submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4636649 here]? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:40, 4 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Good catch. I will restrain the urge to say a lot and say only a little. That is one of the User:Bluesman notes. I skimmed but didn't read.<br />
: Maybe more than a little. The cited WorldCat record notes "... at end dated March 1896." I would have supposed that at least so much would have beeen transferred to ISFDB by copy-paste, but I would have supposed wrong. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:44, 4 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for confirming :) I've accepted, and leave it to you to update the notes as you see fit ! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:19, 4 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Picture of Dorian Gray - Gold Mark symbol? ==<br />
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Hello. I've put your submission on hold for a moment, as I've posted a question over at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#German_Gold_Mark_standard_symbol.3F Rules and Standards Discussion] on which symbol to use for the Gold Mark. Thanks for your patience, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:29, 5 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: OK. I will refrain from more such. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:03, 5 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks. I'll proceed with ℳ1.60 and ℳ3.20; also replace M with ℳ where I see it in use for pre-war Tauchnitz Editions. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:04, 8 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== LCCN formats ==<br />
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Both the long (07004758) and the short (07-4758) formats lead to the same place on LCCN so we do not enforce the usage of one over the other. Swapping for the one you prefer (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?569774 here] may lead to someone swapping in the other direction -- so careful with that. I approved it because of all the other changes but heads up - especially in books with verifiers (as this one had none, I just approved it) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:06, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Ok. I know from Rtrace that he entered leading zeroes in field External IDs by mistake for a while, before learning that that field handles the hyphen just as manual hyperlinks do. But I don't know that of anyone else. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:17, 10 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Red Room and Other Stories ==<br />
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I removed all without page numbers from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359854 here] as per your note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4659809 here] - it would have caused quite a lot of alerts in the cleanup reports if I had left it this way. While this worked, in case you need 22 items, adding that many and then cleaning may not be the best way to do things - importing only the correct essays and stories would have made more sense - and would have been less likely to have been forgotten downstream. I think it is all cleaned up now but take another look again anyway. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:27, 24 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Excerpts naming ==<br />
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I approved your rename of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?97318 this one] so I can catch the note (it was reject + edit or approve + edit so it did not matter). When the excerpt has its own name, we add the notes of what it is an excerpt of in the notes, not in the title. You can add them both in the title note and the publication note if you want to but the title of the record should be as close to "as is" as we can. We don't even add the word excerpt if the excerpt has its own name. Thanks![[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:17, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: "(excerpt)" alone should of course mean that the name is unchanged --although that sensible convention is commonly breached. The convention you note is either a new one or another that is commonly breached.<br />
: If I think clearly at this late hour, on the convention you describe all 447 titles that contain "(excerpt from" and all 18 that contain "(extract from" are violations. Right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:04, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: It is an old rule - how strict we enforce it is a different story... We generally do not add any embellishments/disambiguations to a title unless the title as printed is confusing or unclear - thus adding excerpt on the ones where the title match or adding the book name on Introductions and adding part x of y on serials. In the cases where the name is unique, we go by what the book says. <br />
:: Not necessarily for the 447+18 titles - if the title page of the story in the book has the words "excerpt of...", the record here will have it as well. A lot of books note this on the contents/title pages so chances are that a lot of these are actually in policy. But yes - some will be against the rules. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:29, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: If the story heading (or title page in some cases, Contents list in some cases) is "Magic Circle (excerpt)" or "Magic Mirror (abridged)" then our title should use capital E or A. <br />
:::: Technically - yes. But we have a lot of capitalization issues in the DB :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: You suggest to me another class of listings that is on my someday list (ask about this someday). Where a listing/heading is such as "''from'' Magic Circle" or "excerpt from ''Magic Circle''" or "Extract of 'Magic Circle'" --rather than appended parentheses-- do we now recommend "Magic Circle (excerpt)"? If so then story titles that begin with lowercase "from" are deprecated, to be replaced someday? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:14, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: If the book uses a specific name, we use that name. <br />
:::: The exact section from the help page relevant here is "If the excerpt has a different title that the work from which it is excerpted, use that title. Otherwise, use the title of the excerpted work, but add " (excerpt)" to the end; e.g. "A Feast for Crows (excerpt)".". So if the title in the book is "Extract of 'Magic Circle'", we use that. If the title in the book is 'Magic Circle', then we add (excerpt). Same rule as with Introductions - you add the book name only if the generic title is used. If the book has the title as "Introduction: Some Other Text", we keep the title as is. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: And yeah - technically a story name cannot start with a small letter... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Author language ==<br />
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When you find a pseudonym like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?312712 this one], it will be a good idea to also add the language to the pseudonym to match its parent. I did it here but thought I should mention it. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:33, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Yes you should. I wasn't aware that we complete any field but "Directory Entry". Was English entered by default as my default language? or the language of the work in which illustration as by Alvin-Correa was published? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:54, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep - if your default language is English and you save the page, English is assigned. In this case as you just did a pseudonym and never saved the page, it had no language - so I just added it. It was not wrongly set - it was just empty. A few years ago we went through figuring out the languages of every title in the DB -- we still have a lot of authors with no language - so I tend to try to set them when I land on one without. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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COVERART by this artist Henrique Alvim Corrêa {{a|205286}}:<br />
: For this artist we now have 8? COVERART --reporting use of 4? different 1906 interior illustrations on 21st century book covers-- now booked as variants of the original INTERIORART (multiple illustrations of 1906 French-language The War of the Worlds). If I recall correctly, that relation should be stated in COVERART notes, with one parent COVERART for each of the distinct original interior illustrations used on a cover, date of the earliest known use on a cover (regardless whether that earliest book is an edition of The War of the Worlds; one of the earliest uses is not).<br />
: If I understand correctly, it's necessary to break each of these variant relations as a first step (top half of "Make Variant Title"), only later as a second step (second Make Variant Title) create new parent COVERART as by Henrique Alvim Corrêa where appropriate. '''So I submit a batch of "break variant", as it were.'''<br />
: --probably done for the day, as it's late here and I need to eat. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:54, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I need to reread the first part of the question later because I am not sure I get it. Interiorart CAN be a parent if this is what was used first. <br />
:: However, you do not need to first break a variant when changing parents - the moment you submit a new makeVariant, it will replace the old value so you do not need to remove first. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 28 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Macmillan Company ==<br />
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Hello. I have some difficulty parsing your updated notes on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?27541 The Macmillan Company].<br />
*The notes now state, in part, ''June 1896 to mid-20th century''. This seems to contradict the note ''The Macmillan Company, ... now carried on by Macmillan & Co ... The Independent ... (1896-02-28)'' which to me means to say that The Macmillan Company as name ceased to exist in 1896, and thus, in fact, did '''not''' carry on till mid-20th century.<br />
: No, 'The MacMillan Company' is just now incorporated in New York. That report date is 1896-05-28 (in some New York publication 'The Independent', I am sure, not the famous newspaper 'The Independent'). I gloss over unknown daily details and suppose that The Macmillan Company, newly incorporated in New York probably sometime late May 1896, should be the publisher of record from June 1896.<br />
*The statement '' ...report macmillan and Co. for US editions published by the Macmillans to 1896.'' Does that mean to say that for US editions published by the Macmillans ''''after'''' 1896 have to be reported under Macmillan and Co.?<br />
Thanks for clarifying. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:53, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: No, it means through May 1896, glossing over the unknown daily details.<br />
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: I have considered a thorough re-write of publisher Notes for The Macmillan Company (US, from May/June 1896) and Macmillan and Co. (unitary to May/Jun 1896). The old notes by the one who shouts 'DO NOT MERGE' have become less relevant, and it may be possible to eliminate these two, for the two earlier of four Macmillan publisher names that have been used heavily. Your note makes me think the time to rewrite is now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:53, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I don't have much time Tuesdays. I expect I will submit no more, and maybe less, than continuation on the four works whose publication records you approved just before this publisher update. --<br />
::: Please do! You're much more knowledgeable than I in these things :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 00:58, 10 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: I will try improve the situation today; far short of completion, or what I had hoped in early June, because it's so complicated. Unfortunately there is no consistent practice such as: name New York first on the title page if the printer is in the United States.<br />
:::: As I also vowed to Rtrace, i need to get back to other incomplete work here, and withdraw from focus on century old Macmillan publications, after the Ides of June [today, if that's Greek to you]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:14, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of the Masque ==<br />
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In Your submitted collection [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?778464 here] there is a link "title page" that leads to nothing. Can You please make a correction? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 03:44, 14 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Submitted. Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:50, 14 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: HI. I hope you, or we, are not generally using the new "Webpages" field to replace curated links in the Notes. Is this a one-time thing or a general effort? (I have also asked moderator Rtrace about this.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:35, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: It is still the same link though - it is not a generic link to the site. Or is your complaint that it is not embedded anymore? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:53, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: [1] It's a generic linkname "Webpages" and [1b] buried in the top part of the page (albeit blue ink helps). A meaningful linkname "Title page view" would be acceptable there, altho the note should then be revised, eg "title page" => "title page (above)"<br />
::: [2] It removes context --altho I don't know that would be done generally.<br />
::: (Commonly I do link the title page simply, as Zapp zapped here. Commonly the note is substantial, as title page: "Lawrence and Bullen". I don't know why I didn't say that here, as I was at work (not yet complete) unifying our use of publisher name "Lawrence & Bullen".) <br />
::: [0] It is a Permanent Link, a redirect to the babel address of the title page image. ISFDB should always use URL promoted as Permanent, eh? So we should always link hdl.handle.net rather than babel.hathitrust.org right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:12, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: '''P.S.''' Annie or Zapp. I submitted an update that restores and amplifies the Note; also does preserve the use of the Webpages field (with a Permanent Link as its URL value)--for those who may be harvesting or otherwise relying auto-maton-ically on its use. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:15, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: So we have a few different problems here:<br />
::::* The link was not just moved but replaced. That you will need to take up with Zapp - he is usually good at just moving links so not sure what happened here. Chances are that we have a Europe/US thing going on again and there was a problem with the other link from his side?<br />
::::* The notes left behind were not adjusted for the moved link -- that I am with you on -- if a link/ID is moved, the notes around it need to be adjusted so the flow and meaning of the notes is not lost. However - your notes, while very detailed, can be extremely hard to parse and understand sometimes (even when one is used to them) so chances are that people do not see some links as vital to the structure - especially when they were on their own on a line. Which may explain what happened here.<br />
:::: Part of why we have the webpages on publications now is to minimize the links (and heavy html) in notes and to make it easier for non-technical editors to edit - you may be comfortable with html but not everyone is. :) Some links will need to stay (because they illustrate a point and do not really work as a link for the whole publication) but a link to a version of the publication certainly belongs to the links (even if you point just to the title page, it is effectively a link to the complete text). <br />
:::: The Web Pages collect all kinds of links - the same way the ones on the author level does -- it can be full text reproductions, it can be sources which do not have external IDs, it can be the publisher page for the book, it can be anything else. If you have a proposal to allow each link to also have a "label", propose it over in the Community forum... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:30, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::: (after edit conflict) I believe the current practice is to move the URLs linking to data sources from the notes into the Webpages multifield, when encountered (without altering the notes' meaning, of course, and clearly referring to the webpages field - akin to what you're proposing ie ''see title page (above)'', or similar). I do use it myself because I find it very handy - all links in the same place, not cluttering the notes. The tooltip help also says ''URL of a web site about this publication'' (not the work), so I think the link -does- belong there. I agree that the update by Zapp could be more precise, but as far as I'm concerned, and apart from that minor hiccup, not wrong. Now because English is not my mother tongue I may have misunderstood, but to me al this means the webpages field could/should be used to include all kinds of links to information about this particular publication. If you feel we're moving in the wrong direction with this field, it might be best to perhaps start a discussion over at the Community Portal (or R&S) to clarify its use? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:35, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Ugh, should have read Annie's reply firts - it looks I'm rehashing her arguments... [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:36, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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* Title page is always so important here (officially) --and images of commonly important facing page and verso ("copyright page") routinely easy to access from a title page image-- that it's hard to understand why we would dump a link to that one into the potpourri.<br />
: You are looking at it in the reverse. It is not that we want to dump it in the mix of other links; it is that when it is inside of the notes, it is very very hard for non-technical editors to fix anything even when they have a correction. If you want the title pages to be specifially linked somewhere (when available), propose that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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* Are we now using the publication Webpages field for linking to Project Gutenberg Ebooks (either top pages, as in the link that is buried by default down in the left margin of Publication view, or HTML views directly)? I expect that that would be a great help to casual users of the site, as opposed to we accomplished editors in our occasional visits as users. No doubt Amazon would be useful to many casual users too, and newer editors. <br />
: '''No because Project Gutenberg books are considered separate publications in the DB - so linking them from the hc book is simply wrong.''' They get automatically linked from the left menu when you go to their respective publications. Archive.org and similar pure digitization non-OCR projects are a different matter - those are linked from the publication page indeed as they give you the "book" and not just the text. Feel free to reopen the discussion on Gutenberg if you want... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: (emphasis added) No, no, I mean use the new "Webpages" field, in our publication record of the Gutenberg ebook, rather than rely on a link named "Project Gutenberg" that is buried down in the left margin of the browser window, outside of the publication records display. As we display Amazon links that generated by value of ISBN field, rather than ASIN field, in the left margin outside of the browser window. <br />
:: Thanks for your replies. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:40, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Ah, sorry, apparently I misread or misunderstood the question. No - the old rules apply - if we already have a link on the left side deriving from the same value or as an external ID, we do not add it to the web pages as well. We need to make these links on the left more prominent especially for Gutenberg books but... not sure how and where to stick them. <br />
::: The Amazon left side links uses an ASIN link to Amazon actually - via the ISBN. So for all 978- ISBNs it works as a charm; so it does for any paper book with ISBN10. The newer books with ISBN-13 starting with 979? Not so much - and for them instead of ISBN10 as an ASIN (which cannot be calculate), Amazon adds B* ASINS - so we record these as ASIN. :) And the ebooks ISBN links don't lead where you want them to. So if Amazon issues an ASIN starting with B, we record that separately, regardless if there is an ISBN; if it does not, then the ASIN is the same as ISBN10 so we have that covered. Always fun when our links change their behaviour... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:51, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
(aside) I wonder whether this was my first edit conflict at "home"? I haven't had much traffic here since Mhhutchins completed the mentoring. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:09, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I suspect it has more to do with most editors being too scared of your notes to edit them :) More seriously though - you tend to work in areas that almost noone else touches and you tend to clean your links -- which rarely leaves work for someone else on these records. I had been here a few times for clarifications but most of the times your notes are clean enough. It is a community project and the only way for it to work is to discuss things. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
Sorry, I noticed this discussion not earlier as now. My English not so fluent to understand all of Your writings exactly. But I didn't want to upset anybody. Thinking about I should have put the webpage link redirecting to the beginning of the scan [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t1pg1wv9s&view=1up&seq=1 here] since the title page was alredy linked in notes. I guess it is useful to find a scanned publication in total using this link or to have an alternative external ID there when there is no one preset. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 15:36, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Hi Zapp. OK. AnnieMod and MagicUnk provided me good explanations. I have a followup at your page. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 19 June 2020 (EDT) ... Done. <br />
:: Concerning the '''link to title page image in Notes''' [1] Sometimes I do fashion that as "-- <u>title page</u>" alone on one line. Probably I shouldn't, because that may invite removal. For the 1st ed. ''Tales of the Masque'' P{{p|778464}}, since your first visit I have extended that line with "red and black, as "Lawrence and Bullen" (commonly '&') with Bull logo". [2] If you do remove the link, it's best to leave unlinked text in the Notes with instruction, such as "title page (linked above)", rather than to delete the former linkname. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Laurence Alma Tadema ==<br />
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{{A|Laurence Alma-Tadema}} currently contains no credits under that name (with the dash). Will you be adding any? If not, instead of establishing an alternate name for {{A|Laurence Alma Tadema}} (without the dash), I will make that the canonical name. The canonical name should a form that was published. The "true" name would go into the legal name field. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:49, 21 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I composed, then deleted, a long Note to Moderator --MagicUnk anticipated-- either here, or AuthorUpdate, or when submitting the publication Note for the 2015 ebook P{{p|779904}} (see the last bullet point).<br />
: It occurs to me that I should check (? Contento and/or Locus) for the three 2010s publications. ...<br />
: JLT, I think you should hold overnight. FWIW below is what I composed/drafted early this hour :--) before moving up here. ('FWIW' doesn't mean you need to read it.) I need exercise and food break, maybe can't get back today (Sunday here). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:22, 21 June 2020 (EDT) <br />
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: I consider Laurence Alma Tadema the better choice. Certainly she <br />
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: I don't know that Alma-Tadema is a legal name, only that it is the canonical name of the writer here and there, and the canonical name of her father the visual artist here and there. Of course our Legal Name field is full of such.<br />
: I do not have a confirmed publication as by Laurence Alma-Tadema. Nor do we/I have a confirmed publication as by "L. Alma-Tadema", whose report I believe spurious. Among 5 publications of the work/story in 5 publications of the 1886 anthology, this is the only confirmed name-as-credited. <br />
: Publication as Laurence Alma-Tadema is not unlikely in the three 2010s publications of the anthology by Leonaur Ltd. Unfortunately the two ISBN are not found at WorldCat and "Look inside" the 2015 ebook does not resolve<br />
* '''"The Contents list comprises linked story titles and story section numbers, no author names. There is no opening essay. Editor Henry Norman, and authors of the opening poem and first story, are credited here as in the 1886 US edition. There may be differences elsewhere."'''<br />
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::I merged them together under {{A|Laurence Alma Tadema}}. If you find publications with alternate credits, we can revisit. But for now, we will make due based on the credits we have in the database at the moment. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:40, 22 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Good! I check in 24 hours later to ask you to go ahead.<br />
::: I much prefer "Laurence Alma Tadema" myself, but that would be true even if 2010s publishers were hyphenating that name. And even if "L. Alma-Tadema" were confirmed genuine rather than spurious. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:58, 22 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Note to self ==<br />
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created 2022-03-23 23:46 [EDT]<br />
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Exceptionally complex "Note [singular] to self" : cut-paste as new [[User:Pwendt/comeback]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:08, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Readers union HTML issue ==<br />
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Hi. I approved the submissions & saw the problem but left it for the morning to figure out when less tired. Fixed now[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?50412]. Noted solution on moderator board, simple but not immediately obvious.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 11:30, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Book of Lamps and Banners ==<br />
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I don't see that you are changing anything with this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5303231 submission]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:57, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: The queue is a bit long. I corrected some UK publ from Mulholland Books / Little, Brown and Company but one PVerified book was a leftover. In reply to my notice (another problem too) verifier merged the publishers, he explains [[User:Willem H.#The Revisionists]]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:22, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I understand, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:42, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kiki Strike books ==<br />
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"Kiki Strike" is the series, so while it may appear on the title page, it's not actually part of the title. It's not uncommon to include the series title on the title page with the book title. I've rejected these submissions: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337912 The Empress's Tomb] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337933 Inside the Shadow City]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:42, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Book 2 ''The Empress's Tomb'' in UK softcover, I improved and resubmitted, now in the queue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5348988]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:37, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Same for Book 1 ''Inside the Shadow City'' in US softcover reissue, now in the queue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350597]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:17, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Eerie Book (2) ==<br />
: ''directly concerning the 1981 Castle Books edition''; cf. [[#The Eerie Book]]<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?487344; I replaced the cover that I believe you added because it's clearly the same cover, but the one I used was less faded and didn't have a time stamp on the bottom. Then a PV wrote an extra note today about the "showed" cover (I think they meant "shown") possibly not being the correct cover because it was added post-PV. So can you verify it's the same (which it clearly is by looking at it) so that note can be removed? --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:05, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Hi. 2020 PV Anniemod (and moderator for my work on the 1898 edition, who cooperated on the title records) has pursued the matter further. Related: I revised the heading and inserted a cross-reference, above.<br />
: Do you have Internet Archive subscription to make use of publication links for full interior views of all(?) books at Archive.org? <br />
: In effect, I am away for ten days, thru this weekend.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:13, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Don't bother; it's a dumb discussion about some supposed cover color difference which doesn't actually exist. The important thing is I've added a link to the Archive's copy of the 1981 reprint edition, because the Archive's copies of the original 1898 edition have the library stamp hole-punched through most of the illustrations, making them useless for printing out, while the reprint's illustrations are untouched. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:04, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Doll Who Came Alive ==<br />
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You wrote extensive notes for this book in 2017, for 1942 and 1972 editions, with a lot of questions about dates and such, and I just saw that someone uploaded a copy to Archive.org in 2020, https://archive.org/details/dollwhocamealive0000treg, which is a 4th printing/impression, in case that helps you to clear up any questions and add/fix info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:10, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks! Now what is that once-used Archive.org password? :--( <br />
: Linknotes to Self: Editor {{a|Elizabeth Yates}} <br />
: Editions (1st pr) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?612880 as 1942-09-17] (no image) (LO, Kirkus, newspapers, ABEbooks w/images) <br />
: 2nd ed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?612914 as 1972-08] (front cover) (LO, Kirkus[again], Amazon --dnf newspapers)<br />
: Archive.org [https://archive.org/details/dollwhocamealive0000treg/page/n1/mode/2up 1942 ed, 4th printing] i1 front jacket [signed 'NSU'] w/flap; i83 back jacket<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:51, 26 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== An Enemy at Green Knowe ==<br />
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Hi Pwendt<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5390921 submission] to clone this book to add a new publication record for a 1977-05-31 Puffin printing. There is already an existing 1977 Puffin [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260813 publication record], that seems like it may be the record you are attempting to add. Do you have evidence that Puffin did two printings in 1977? If not, you should update the existing record rather than create a new one. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:13, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Ron, you are right. 1977 Puffin update is now in the queue as 5394619 5394620 (two).<br />
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== Title and publication date alignment ==<br />
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Just a reminder. Don't forget that when you update the publication date, you also have to submit the update of the title dates in the Contents section accordingly. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:32, 31 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Did I overlook some Publication Update that predates one of its Title records? That would have been my oversight. <br />
: I suppose we continue to accept title date such as 1968-00-00 with publication date such as 1968-09-16. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:34, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Missing country ==<br />
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Just a gentle reminder that we are an international site so "Raised in Rochester, New York" should be "Raised in Rochester, New York, USA" :) I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5642 here] but do not forget to add the country when adding cities and other locations. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:10, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Is that reasonable even for New York and England?<br />
: New York City and London are common on our publisher pages, without even identifying New York and England. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:20, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: There are a lot of Londons [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_(disambiguation) out there]. There are also quite a lot of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York#Places New Yorks]. If we allow an exception for one language/2 countries, we will need to do it for others as well and it will end up in a convoluted set of rules. So let's keep it simple and not make exceptions and just always list the country. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:34, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: PS: Just because the practice is not always followed (especially in the past) does not mean that we cannot do better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:35, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dolittle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295530; I added/fixed stuff for this recently; it was just approved and then the mod wrote me to say that the note about corrupt record should be removed now, but since it seems you're the one that wrote it I'll leave it up to you to decide whether to do that, since I'm not sure what it means or whether it's still relevant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:31, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: By the way, it's "Dolittle" as in Doctor, Do Little.<br />
: Thanks, I will do that. From the record I see that you corrected imprint, page count, caps & spelling; not price. Newly you provided Image, Webpage, month from t.p. verso (as you Noted), and *US price from front cover* (Image). Is that right? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:40, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: That's right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:14, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Literary Wonderlands ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5461654; I made some minor fixes and added the Archive link, which may help you flesh out your work on this book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:34, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== B Magical ==<br />
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I'm holding your 6 submissions re: the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29524 B Magical] series. I understand what you want to do. The most efficient way is as follows.<br />
# Make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?147723 Lexi Connor] an alternate name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?126269 Julie Berry].<br />
# These two submissions are fine [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5450459 The Chocolate Meltdown] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5450467 The Superstar Sister].<br />
# Cancel the fours submissions breaking the variant relationship in the other four titles. Just edit each of the existing parent titles. Change the author to Julie Berry & correct the title.<br />
If we break the variants as you submitted, we will need to delete the 4 empty parent title records and then create four new parent titles. Does this make sense? If you agree, do step 1 and 3, post here and I will process all seven edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:46, 22 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: But we need 10 variant titles as by Lexi Connor, right? Six under the canonical-title and four under alt-titles. The six and the four all need to be variants, as by Lexi Connor, of NOVEL parents by Julie Berry that have no publications. <br />
: That is, I am following the previous approach, without questioning it. You suggest that previous editors should not have created parents with <i>Spelling B</i> book titles, unless willing to do the work of adding those presumable first editions to the database? (I didn't notice last fortnight that we have 4 of 10 NOVEL records with no publications in the database; simply undertook to make Julie Berry parents of all 10 Lexi Connor title records.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:57, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Three points --not aligned with your three steps, so I make them unnumbered bullet items.<br />
:* Procedure for adding titles from Amazon. Perhaps it's proper with a work that is new at ISFDB --given earlier publication under a known different title (I presume that was known by our Amazon team member, and I haven't yet confirmed the fact of <i>Spelling B</i> publication)-- the publication reported by Amazon should be added under its publication title and date; and a parent should be created under the known 1st ed. data --presuming that that will be added later.<br />
::* Now I have located WorldCat records of stories #1-4 under original titles ''Spelling B ...'' (OCLC 277204477 , 501300482 , 560344104 , 794059493 as 4 print books; beside 4 ebooks).<br />
::* Whatever the usual procedure[*], I think it's reasonable here to make ''The Missing Magic'' and other short titles canonical (as by Julie Berry, with 1st ed. publication dates as title dates, of course). Essentially, the original series name was replaced after issue of 4 stories thus. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:14, 23 October 2022 (EDT) <br />
:* On the technical point: I know revision of parent title from ID ###1 to ###2 (a different parent) or to 0 (no parent; not a child). Is it possible using only the bottom half of the Make Variant screen (Option 2 : If the parent title does not exist, enter the title information below to create it.) to replace an existing variant relation at once?<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5450467 The Superstar Sister] isn't fine. It makes "2nd of several" a publication Note; should be Note to Moderator.<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:52, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Take a look at the result after I processed the seven edits outlined above. I didn't edit the title field as you stated they were correct (hasty assumption on my part). I simply changed the author in the parent titles to the canonical name. Isn't the result what you were aiming for? I left the four variant submissions on hold for you to cancel. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:37, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: No, I was taking the first step toward 16 NOVEL records: 6 as by JB with no publications; and the original 10 as by LC (created 2011 by Mhhutchins) as variants of the 6. Step zero, make variants of all 6 Mhh parent records, could not be submitted while those were parents. <br />
:::: But I do see your point. And the 10 NOVEL records now in the database, after your session-10-23, do match 10 of my 16 targets. Your implied advice: ADD the 1st ed. stories (''Spelling B ...'' as by Lexi Connor) as 4 new NOVEL submissions; later make them variants as appropriate. Until then --if and when you get around to adding them as Publications-- we don't need (and perhaps avoid by policy) such variant Titles without publications. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:39, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: As you continue to work on these, you might find [https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%28lexi%20connor%29 this] useful. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:46, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Canceled the quartet. Suggestion noted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:55, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
(unindent)John, With reference to the previews at archive.org, just now I added (submissions 5465337-40) 1st ed., 1st printings of books 1-4 as New Novels ''Spelling B ...'' by Lexi Connor. Later I will proofread comparatively; make variants; consider parent Titles annotation and redate.<br />
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Do you generally find such scans by site search at archive.org? Or by another route? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:10, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Submissions 5465337 thru 5465340 have been approved as is since you will be editing all of them. Let me know when the next round is ready for review.<br />
:* I added "(unindent)" to your post as is our practice.<br />
:* I search archive.org directly. In this case, I used metadata 'Advanced Search'. I use url searching when I wish to see the state of a given website as it existed at a specific time.<br />
: Thanks for your hard work on these, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:15, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Now submissions 5465647-48 and 50-51; 5465728-31 --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:41, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Submissions approved. The following items need attention. Missing juvenile flags for all 2011 & 2012 titles (8 titles). Fix case: 'With' is only capitalized if the first or last word of a title (2 titles, 1 pub title). Fix case: 'Spelling B and the missing magic' (1 title, 1 pub title). Submit edits for the above and anything else you see, then consider the following. Did you notice that the archive had both the 2010 and 2011 printings of 'Spelling B and the Runaway Spell'? The title pages are identical. Shouldn't the pub titles and titles records be the same? Thoughts? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:09, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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=== To Do list === <br />
<font color=green>''This subsection is a temporary footer.''<br />
# Pwendt, 10:36:21 EDT (quote as [nowiki]) <nowiki>Note to Moderator: 1st of 4; later<br> • child #1 needs capital Ms (NOVEL and COVERART)<br> • check all child COVERART (import, merge?); juv<br> • expand series Note </nowiki><br />
# Scifibones, 12:09 immediately above<br />
# 2011 eds. as ''B Magical:'' are now indb as 144 pages; #1 pb, #2-4 unknown; #5 pb; #6 pb £3.74<br />
# 2011 eds. #3-4 at archive.org (not known to hold scans of 2011 eds. #1-2 and 5-6):<br />
:* back covers state C$6.99, or Canada-only $1 price cut<br />
:* #3 1st printing, "This edition first printing, April 2011"; #4 2nd printing, "This edition first printing, May 2011" (not July)<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:37, 27 October 2022 (EDT) </font><br />
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== The Girl with the Broken Wing ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5458626 this submission]. Your source identifies the format as 'pbk' yet you made it hc. What am I missing? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:22, 22 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, the two ISBN are ISBN-13 and ISBN-10 for the same publication, unusually with duplicate "(pbk.) : £4.99". Not the usual, noteworthy, "first of two ISBN". Maybe I can find a WorldCat record {{done}} ... before I re-write and resubmit. {{done}}<br />
: New submission 5462997 is intended to be identical except format, to your point; linked WorldCat record; and Note, bullet-point layout with revised first bullet point. Please compare before you approve one and delete the other. That's the procedure, I presume. <br />
: (Thanks for your attention here. This is one I would not catch on proofread of My Recent Edits.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:27, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I approved the revised submission, but left the original for you to cancel. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:07, 23 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: {{done}} --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:55, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Space Travel ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5474863 This book] will only be eligible if it illustrates fiction or is related to fiction. From what I can see, this is not the case. Can you share some more details about it? Thanks!<br />
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PS: We have a lot of non-fiction books in the DB which were entered under a different set of rules (based on having reviews in our magazines). We are slowly cleaning them up - the current rule is that the non-fiction books we add (which includes art books) should be related to speculative fiction or to books about speculative fiction. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:29, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: It doesn't belong in the database by that criterion. Perhaps I should note all 7 from last fortnight (6 pub update or clone, because the other six works were already here in US eds. if not UK eds.) at Community Portal. ... = seven 1953 UK books reviewed together as "Getting Ready for Blast-Off" by Charles Daly, The Observer 1954-01-10, p7.<br />
: To be continued, not today but mid-November(?). Use HOLD for now? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:52, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: We know this one is out so I may as well reject it and if I catch the others, I can clean up the copies we have and get them out as well... Let me know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:55, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: All those will be in the queue from -10-31 give or take a day. Dirk J Broer approved all the associated AuthorUpdate from not much earlier.<br />
::: I think I mentioned that it looks to me {{a|Willy Ley}} is someone in the database and deemed above the threshold for what is literally non-fiction. That is, for voluminous exobiology or cryptozoology, not presented as fiction. <br />
::: We also have such works as ''Flying Saucers Have Landed'' --presented as non-fiction but some who call themselves real scientists would call it fraudulent, rather than merely fanciful. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:44, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: We had had a lot of different rules through the years - and we have a LOT of non-fiction that needs deleting. If it is published as science and the person who wrote it believed it to be science, it is out. That also applies to UFOs, ghosts, alien abductions, other creatures, religion book and so on- unless it was published and meant to be fiction, it is not eligible. Look at our [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Included Included section of the ROA] - the non-fiction is only eligible under points 3 and 4. If it does not tie to fiction in some ways, it is out :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:53, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: So is there anything that will qualify it into the DB or should I reject the submission (or you can) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 23:39, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: I "cancel" the submission based on our discussion and ROA (linked above). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:13, 4 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Lost City ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5486056; While searching Google Images for cover image an ISFDB page came up, Pwendt/later, where you wrote about this book. Apparently the LoC copy was uploaded in 2017, very shortly after you entered this book, so after my edit's approved I'm sure you can add/fix more stuff. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Re your Note to Moderator: NOVEL edit history shows that I re-dated as 1883-00-00 when (2016-11-08 relocation from the publ record) I noted the original 11-part serial beginning 1883-10-30. NOVEL date should be first publication as a book. <br />
: Re the title page fib "1885": Sometime during my two-year pandemic absence there was ISFDB Wiki resolution, I believe, to augment the publication Date field, where we know that the actual and stated dates differ. Report both 1884-12-20 and 1885 in this instance. But augmentation hasn't been done. Usually (more recently?) I have put the publication date from the title leaf in the single field we have now.<br />
: Thanks. I will return to this one, as you suggest. Then I will re-layout as a bullet list (ie, with ul- and li-tags). Also I will insert my habitual opening lines for such cases: <br />
* '''1st ed. as a book''' (alluding to the 1883 serial; details in title record) <br />
* '''Published for the 1884 [Christmas][holiday][gift] season as 1885.''' (details in source note below)<br />
: Evidently I settled on the latter note, with 1885 in the Date field, sometime after this 2016/17 work. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:22, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ghostly Business ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514268; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514274; After these edits are approved you may want to see if you can add anything further. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. Evidently someone with a blue pen thought the bookcover windows and lights needed enhancement.<br />
: What is your criterion for adding a link to Archive.org (Webpages) or to OpenLibrary.org (External IDs)? I suppose your first submission is the fruit of exploration at the former website; and the second submission, exploration at the latter. <br />
: Just now I read this OL information page: [https://openlibrary.org/dev/docs/api/covers Open Library Covers API]. That may be useful to me occasionally. Too bad I didn't know it before the pandemic shutdown. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:59, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I used to add mostly OL ID, probably thousands of them in all, with an occasional Archive link added for one reason or another because I know that many of the non-public domain books aren't supposed to be on the Archive in the first place so I let people see the link on the OL page and decide whether they want to go to the Archive copy, but over the last few months with the server move here creating a huge mess and ISFDB-friendly sites like Amazon, WorldCat and others completely re-designing their sites it's a waste of time trying to do anything properly, so I just add mostly Archive links now with an occasional OL ID added for one reason or another. I've got about a thousand pending edits at the moment so if things go as planned and I leave here for awhile those should keep mods busy for a long time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:15, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Note to self again ==<br />
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Current contents of this page User talk:Pwendt <br />
: 001–002 : April 2015<br />
: 003–056 : Sep 2015 to Apr 2016 (8 months; about half the page by length)<br />
: 057–155 : May 2016 to Jun 2020<br />
: <br />
: 156–171 : Mar 2022 to Dec 2022 (May to Dec, essentially)<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:44, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?365842 Earwig and the Witch] ==<br />
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Hi! This has the note 'Evidently shorter than 15,000 words' (it's a bit unclear who added this), but this should lead into the transformation into a CHAPBOOK / SHORTFICTION: with this length it's a novelette. There's now a German translation out with 107 pages and many illustrations, which lead me to this title. Anything against the conversion? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:10, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Evidently that note item is mine. (First word "evidently" is evidence; last word evidently, probably, etc, would be stronger evidence.) Probably I counted words on one page only, and guessed the mass of illustrations, etc.<br />
: By the way, I don't know how to convert efficiently for a multiply published novel. What sequence of submissions? So go ahead and do it. Tell me the sequence if convenient. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:42, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks! Will do. If you come across this problem some time later, you'd have to change the NOVEL title to a SHORTFICTION one, and then, somewhat regrettably, one has to edit change all the publications into CHAPBOOKs (meaning you also will have to add a CHAPBOOK title to each one of them, so that each of the publications has a fitting container title). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:37, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== King of the Golden River ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?615941; https://archive.org/details/kingofgoldenrive0000rusk_b0c0; Library edition uploaded in Dec. of 2020 (there's a little label on the back cover), in case you want to enter it like I assume you did for the regular Greenwillow edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:30, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Annotated Snark ==<br />
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Hi, You verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?670586 this publication]. Can You remember the cover, maybe that one to be seen on [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=11418303274 abebooks]? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 07:37, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: I cannot. I should have kept a list of Transient PV from my local public libraries but I did not. Perhaps soon I will learn how to go from the scanner every branch now provides to an image suitable for ISFDB upload. <br />
: Two months ago I foresaw that retracing at local public library branches will be productive for ISFDB coverart image purposes ([[ISFDB:Community Portal#Amazon-hosted cover scans at images/P/]]). I haven't yet tried that and it belongs on the list for this winter.<br />
: It occurs to me also, I should note in publication records whether the verification copy has a dustjacket, same as I note when it does not have the original book cover.<br />
: Thanks for asking. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 10:32, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I found the right cover in [https://archive.org/details/annotatedsnark0000lewi archive.org], it's the same. I added. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:04, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: Thanks. I expanded my personal table of Primary Verifications (easy now, as only 120 in number) with a few extra columns that I should have used personally from the start, and a few that I would have added recently --concerning "/images/I/" and "/G/" and "/P/". It's only Day 2 and I have my first revision to make, with this image now in the database. And thanks for the price note. <br />
::: I see that you added the image hours after the other work, perhaps because you collect from ABEbooks and others, and manipulate for upload to ISFDB. Do you know that direct links to OpenLibrary.org cover images are acceptable? In this instance: <br />
::: [ <nowiki>https://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/12857132-L.jpg</nowiki> [https://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/12857132-L.jpg 1962 Snark, front dj] ]<br />
::: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:00, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Short and Tall Tales ==<br />
Were you planning on setting the non-genre flag as appropriate for the titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?496711 here]? [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5572534 This submission] sparked my curiosity. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:13, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: I don't have any knowledge to tag any story non-genre. I know the 29 mystery novels from #1-3, part of #29, and vaguely one other that is set in Moose County (#5-29). On that basis I confidently amplify what Mhhutchins and Chavey say and assent in the publication note, too briefly and without any Title annotation (all too common). Our later PVerifier is absent since 2015, or I might have asked herm ---who evidently did nothing but scan the record and check the box, by the way. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:46, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574837; The cover art is the same on the HC, which is also on OL/Archive, so if anyone creates a record for that edition the artist will need importing/date will need to be fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I have observed the 1st ed. Beside "non-genre" where appropriate, which requires some reading, all the stories need "short story" length and 2002-10 date --if we retain them in the database. Fix some titles too (&, '). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:44, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-approver status ==<br />
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Self-approver flag has been set on your account as per the consensus [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-nomination_for_self-approver_-_Pwendt on the Community portal]. Congratulations! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:41, 11 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Thanks. I vacated for a week after nominating myself last fortnight, but home computer trouble then extended my absence. So far in CoViD--19 era, I do not often work elsewhere, and I don't contribute by handheld phone. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:19, 16 February 2023 (EST)</div>
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